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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: Tigeritis™©® on February 05, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
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http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8605158 (http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8605158)
The bummers might be in trouble.
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Scotland
Buddy
Pies - 2 strikes re illicit drugs
Bummers - alleged misuse of supplements
gee the year has started well
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:pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Doping program?
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Doping program?
Mis-use of supplements AFL website reporting
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what's that? putting ice-cream in your musashi? shelving the swisse?
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No wonder they were up & about early last season.
Whatever it was it ran out by mid season.
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Pretty sure i read hirds favourite movie was blow
rounds 1-11. flying top grade disco stuff from colombia
rounds 11-22 Coming down
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The fact Essendon have come out and admitted it all makes me think they know they are in trouble. I mean getting players to sign wavers. What were they thinking! :stupid
Imagine the whole Bomber playing list from 2012 being banned for two years :rollin.
Essendon 2013-2014
B: Goddard Goddard Goddard
HB: Goddard Goddard Goddard
C: Goddard Goddard Goddard
HF: Goddard Goddard Goddard
F: Goddard Goddard Goddard
R: Goddard (standing on a chair) Goddard Goddard
Int: Goddard Goddard Goddard
Sub: Joe Daniher
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would mean Lonergan is a wasted pick for us, some would say he already is...
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I think that their entire season is in tatters.
Must throw the book.
:cheers
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Gerard Healy on 3AW said he was aware of this scandal 12 months ago and he suggested another club maybe involved in taking the supplements.
He didn't name the 2nd club
He also said there is real possibility that the Bombers will not be playing in season 2013
Kyle Reimers has said a lot to Binhider Barrett in tonight's Ch 9's news. Appears The Barrett interview took place over a month ago.
The Binhider has obviously been digging up the dirt on this one for a while now
This is massive story
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http://membership.essendonfc.com.au/
:whistle :wallywink
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i wonder if they were taking craze (or similar supplement)?
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i wonder if they were taking craze (or similar supplement)?
Healy gave it a name but it was all letters with a number on the end ;D
Said it was a chemical contained in certain supplements
I am sure it will be all over the papers over the next few hours
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1,3-dimethylamylamine?
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1,3-dimethylamylamine?
Nah
Started with C and ended in a 6 or a 9 but the mumbo jumbo in the middle I didn't pay much attention too ;D
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Gerard Healy on 3AW said he was aware of this scandal 12 months ago and he suggested another club maybe involved in taking the supplements.
He didn't name the 2nd club
He also said there is real possibility that the Bombers will not be playing in season 2013
Kyle Reimers has said a lot to Binhider Barrett in tonight's Ch 9's news. Appears The Barrett interview took place over a month ago.
The Binhider has obviously been digging up the dirt on this one for a while now
This is massive story
This could have major implications if it's found that the supplements taken were on the banned list. Players would be banned en masse and even awards stripped if high profile players were involved. If a second club (not hard to guess who Healy is implying but we can't post the club's name) is found also to have also used supplements on the banned list then that would well and truly rock the comp.
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They will need to go back to the old days of blokes just turning up on the doorstep and getting a game if the playing list was suspended/banned ;D
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1,3-dimethylamylamine?
Nah
Started with C and ended in a 6 or a 9 but the mumbo jumbo in the middle I didn't pay much attention too ;D
Was it GRP6 WP?
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See the bombers fly up up!
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Give Cotchin the Brownlow
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I noticed that during the press conference that the three that were present weren't wearing any bomber gear.
They had the press conference at AFL headquarters which I've never seen before even when it's something bad.
It seems as though they were trying to distance the club from this issue completly.
The fact the players were asked to sign wavers before taking these "supplements" tells me a few things also:
The club knew there was something wrong with what they were doing.
They've known this for a long time (not the past 24 hrs as they claim).
They have sacked 2 people (sport science guy & footy manager) recently.
The whole thing looks VERY serious if you ask me just by their actions today.
My spidey senses are tingling..........
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If Watson loses his Brownlow will Cotch get one? :shh
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1,3-dimethylamylamine?
Nah
Started with C and ended in a 6 or a 9 but the mumbo jumbo in the middle I didn't pay much attention too ;D
Was it GRP6 WP?
Could be but I am not 100% sure
Healy said that whatever it was it was in the supplements but at low levels; not that it matters what the levels contained are. If it's on the banned list list it's banned
Dwayne Russell said that it was important to say that no Bomber player's had failed any ASADA drug tests last year
That's all I heard as I had to jump put of the car at that point and shoot off somewhere else. This was all said at the start of the show around 6.07pm ;D
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I noticed that during the press conference that the three that were present weren't wearing any bomber gear.
They had the press conference at AFL headquarters which I've never seen before even when it's something bad.
It seems as though they were trying to distance the club from this issue completly.
Yep not even Club ties
Only time Clubs dont have sponsor stuff all over the place is when things are bad. Like C'wood with the Didak, Shaw lying episode a few years back, no TAC or Emirates signs up that day
Gotta say Jimmy Hird looked shattered ;D
The fact the players were asked to sign wavers before taking these "supplements" tells me a few things also:
The club knew there was something wrong with what they were doing.
They've known this for a long time (not the past 24 hrs as they claim).
They have sacked 2 people (sport science guy & footy manager) recently.
That's alledgedly signed waivers - that's not confirmed so I am sure that's what you meant Mr Tigra = Allegedly :yep
Actually come to think of it that would be allegedly on everything you've suggested Mr Tigra except for the sacking of the sports science guy, the footy mgr supposedly left as part of a "restructure" of the footy dept.
I'm sure it was just a typo ;D
At the moment everything is speculation
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Was it GRP6 WP?
Can answer now
Yep it was MT
From Martin Blake's twitter:
Martin Blake @martinj_blake
G Healy on AW says he was told EFC people asked questions about GRP6 supplement a year ago at conference. Suggests EFC itself faces ban.
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1,3-dimethylamylamine?
Nah
Started with C and ended in a 6 or a 9 but the mumbo jumbo in the middle I didn't pay much attention too ;D
Was it GRP6 WP?
Could be but I am not 100% sure
Healy said that whatever it was it was in the supplements but at low levels; not that it matters what the levels contained are. If it's on the banned list list it's banned
Dwayne Russell said that it was important to say that no Bomber player's had failed any ASADA drug tests last year
That's all I heard as I had to jump put of the car at that point and shoot off somewhere else. This was all said at the start of the show around 6.07pm ;D
Caro said on 3aw tonight that journos were threatened yesterday with legal action if they went with the story. 24 hours is a long time in footy clubs.
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From the 3AW web-site:
Essendon face AFL and Anti-Doping Authority investigation
Posted by: Michael James, Ellen Feely & Darren Boyd | 5 February, 2013 - 3:19 PM
Essendon Football Club will undergo a joint probe by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority and AFL into whether players have taken supplements containing banned substances under their training regime.
Essendon chairman David Evans told a press conference that information gathered over the past 48 hours had brought to light questionable supplements used by the playing group last year.
The club have notified the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) and the AFL, inviting them to investigate the matter as quickly as possible.
"It's something that we need to get experts involved and move towards a clean bill of health as quickly as we can," chief executive Ian Robson said.
Sports Today producer and former sports lawyer Darren Boyd told Tom Elliott the revelation of questionable substance use has not taken everybody by surprise.
There has been recent speculation the substance in question is Human Growth Hormone peptides, however the club strongly denied its players had been taking performance-enhancing substances.
"Gerard Healy and I...have been following the rumours that have been swirling in this space about this story for some months," Darren Boyd said.
"It often happens that supplements that players take...(or) any athletes take...often contain substances and you're not aware fully of what they are.
"It's possible that might be the situation here.
"If (they) are proven guilty, there is a real chance that the Essendon Football Club won't be able to compete in the AFL competition...for a period of time."
Darren Boyd said there was a strong suggestion that a trainer at the club had asked players to sign a form agreeing to take the supplements and removing any liability.
After attending the press conference, 3AW sports reporter Alexandra Factor said a cloud still surrounded the type of supplements players had been using.
"In terms of these supplements, which is what (Essendon) are calling them, we haven't been told as to whether they are vitamins and minerals or in fact drugs and something more serious," she told Tom Elliott.
"They don't believe they've done anything wrong."
In a statement to the media, club chairman David Evans said the investigation was 'very distressing' for the club.
"We believe as a club that we have done everything to be compliant with the rules and regulations of the AFL and ASADA," he said.
"But, the integrity of the club is critical...and that is why we have moved quickly today to call the AFL and ASADA to seek a clean bill of health."
Speaking with Tom Elliott, drugs in sport expert Associate Professor Geoff Sussman from Monash University said under ASADA rules, any individual players found to have taken banned substances would be sanctioned.
"As far as ASADA rules are concerned, it is the individual that you would have to look at," he said.
"There are some sanctions against coaches or trainers who are in fact supplying banned substances as well.
"A few years ago, there were tests done on a number of supplements and about 35 per cent of them were found to have banned substances in them."
3AW Football commentator Mike Sheahan told Tom Elliott the Bombers had a 'marked fall off in their performance' last year.
"They were up earlier probably than any other club in the competition in 2012 and their decline was dramatic," he said.
"I don't know if I'm reading too much into that or not, but it seems like they were taking a pretty powerful force earlier in the season and that they may have dropped that later.
"The levels of fitness and form of their footy club tapered off."
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/essendon-face-afl-and-antidoping-authority-investigation/20130205-2dw15.html
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LOL dwaino :rollin
The pics are coming quick and fast via email and the net ;D
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Was it GRP6 WP?
Can answer now
Yep it was MT
From Martin Blake's twitter:
Martin Blake @martinj_blake
G Healy on AW says he was told EFC people asked questions about GRP6 supplement a year ago at conference. Suggests EFC itself faces ban.
Thanks WP.
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I noticed that during the press conference that the three that were present weren't wearing any bomber gear.
They had the press conference at AFL headquarters which I've never seen before even when it's something bad.
It seems as though they were trying to distance the club from this issue completly.
Yep not even Club ties
Only time Clubs dont have sponsor stuff all over the place is when things are bad. Like C'wood with the Didak, Shaw lying episode a few years back, no TAC or Emirates signs up that day
Gotta say Jimmy Hird looked shattered ;D
The fact the players were asked to sign wavers before taking these "supplements" tells me a few things also:
The club knew there was something wrong with what they were doing.
They've known this for a long time (not the past 24 hrs as they claim).
They have sacked 2 people (sport science guy & footy manager) recently.
That's alledgedly signed waivers - that's not confirmed so I am sure that's what you meant Mr Tigra = Allegedly :yep
Actually come to think of it that would be allegedly on everything you've suggested Mr Tigra except for the sacking of the sports science guy, the footy mgr supposedly left as part of a "restructure" of the footy dept.
I'm sure it was just a typo ;D
At the moment everything is speculation
Yes WP. I meant Allegedly. I'm not sure how anything I wrote was allegedly worse than I've already allegedly read. And some of it I've haven't allegedly seen any "allegedly's" in most of it.
I think your allegedly being very cautious.
.....Allegedly cautious that is...... :facepalm
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The AFL cant kick them out of the comp. If they are guilty they will get something like
20 premiership points penalty for 2013 and 2014 which will put them out of the finals over the next 2 years
They will lose draft picks in 2013 and 2014
They will be fined a couple of million dollars.
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I'm loving this. Lapping up the tears on bummer blitz http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=66590&st=60
edit: actually, start that thread from the start. It's fun reading their casual jest suddenly turn into meltdown.
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oh yeah, I knew santa would come through for me!
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The AFL cant kick them out of the comp. If they are guilty they will get something like
20 premiership points penalty for 2013 and 2014 which will put them out of the finals over the next 2 years
They will lose draft picks in 2013 and 2014
They will be fined a couple of million dollars.
Won't be up to the AFL Ramps.
If ASADA finds them guilty, they will punish then. The AFL is signatory to ASADA's anti doping regime and this falls under that regime. AFL can handout a penalty but if it doesn't appease ASADA then ASADA will hand out their own penalties
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pinch me
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so wp is it not as simple as .
its okay if its on the approved list, and no good if it isnt
so isnt it black or white in this case.
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I'm loving this. Lapping up the tears on bummer blitz http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=66590&st=60
edit: actually, start that thread from the start. It's fun reading their casual jest suddenly turn into meltdown.
They are still bitter about Dimma coaching us :lol
Iwould like to see the toughness of Hardwick be brought back into this club.
i am sick of baby faced alter boys, insipid quoir boys, soft receivers.
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=66590&st=750#
Sacked a legend coach whilst in the 8.
Appointed Knights over Dimma.
Extended Knights.
Sacked Knights, paid him out and retained most of the board.
Lost a fight with a bowls club.
Now this.
Absolutely disgraceful. This is beyond poor. Tried to cut corners, failed and now going to be absolutely smashed with penalties.
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?s=8b10ebbf58429037edfc0105f9f514f8&showtopic=66590&st=765#
:lol
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I'm feeling so happy I think I want to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4eok9LFXs8
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so wp is it not as simple as .
its okay if its on the approved list, and no good if it isnt
so isnt it black or white in this case.
Correct
There are certain drugs that are ASADA/WADA approved eg pain killers
Then there are all the ones that are not, this GPR-6 or GPRH-6 is a growth hormone and clearly banned under ASADA/WADA.
So yep would think it is pretty clear cut
And pleading ignorance is usually not an accepted defence for ASADA or WADA; nor should it
What I was saying to Ramps is the AFL isn't in a position to hand out some wimpy penalty, if found guilty then the AFL under their own anti-doping rules which is the ASADA rules must surely hand out the mandatory penalty in this case. They fail to do so and ASADA will set in
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whats ur gut feel WP. Goneski?
Surely they are screwed if what you say is true and that it is a banned substance
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Effingdone.
Throw the book at the cheats.
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Damien Barrett on twitter saying the 'Weapon' Dean Robinson has been sacked by Essendon. No confirmation from the Bombers yet.
Damian Barrett @barrettdamian
"People at Essendon need to be really, really careful from here on in about what they say they knew and did. Really careful"
Open letter from the Essendon president tonight. They are going the silent treatment.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-02-05/open-letter
According to SEN, Geelong and Gold Coast have tonight denied any wrongdoing at their clubs by individuals (who were at Essendon last year) when they were at the Cats and Suns.
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whats ur gut feel WP. Goneski?
Surely they are screwed if what you say is true and that it is a banned substance
For Healy to even suggest that they may as a club be banned for 2 years makes me think it might just happen. Healy isn't one to go off a tangent for the sake of it. That's usaully the domain of the Binhider Barrett, Hutchy etc of the media
Suppose it all comes down to whether officialdom believe the ignorance defence
My gut feel is Essendon is in massive strife and going by the collectively looks on the faces of Evans, Robson and golden boy Hird today at the presser I reckon they know it
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Damien Barrett on twitter saying the 'Weapon' Dean Robinson has been sacked by Essendon. No confirmation from the Bombers yet.
Damian Barrett @barrettdamian
"People at Essendon need to be really, really careful from here on in about what they say they knew and did. Really careful
Wonder if Barrett bothered to caution Kyle Reimers to be "real careful" about what he should say prior to Barrett interviewing him
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dream-team-in-trouble-20130205-2dwkc.html
Caro putting in the boots.
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WADA code:
S2. Peptide Hormones, Growth Factors and Related Substances
If a Substance or Method is not defined in this list, please verify with your Anti-Doping Organization.
The following substances and their releasing factors are prohibited:
* Erythropoiesis-Stimulating Agents [e.g. erythropoietin (EPO), darbepoetin (dEPO), hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers, methoxy polyethylene glycol-epoetin beta (CERA), peginesatide (Hematide)]
* Chorionic Gonadotrophin (CG) and Luteinizing Hormone (LH) in males
* Corticotrophins
* Growth Hormone (GH), Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), Fibroblast Growth Factors (FGFs), Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF), Mechano Growth Factors (MGFs), Platelet-Derived Growth Factor (PDGF), Vascular-Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) as well as any other growth factor affecting muscle, tendon or ligament protein synthesis/degradation, vascularisation, energy utilization, regenerative capacity or fibre type switching
and other substances with similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).
http://list.wada-ama.org/list/s2-peptide-hormones-growth-factors-and-related-substances/
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Someone posted this article on bigfooty showing previous bans held up by ASADA.
The Australian Rugby Union have banned Sunshine Coast Stingrays player and coach, Francis Burke, for four years for the possession and attempted trafficking of growth hormone releasing peptide-6.
The ban has been upheld by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA), who were originally alerted to a suspect package by customs in Sydney on November 28 2010.
Following an extensive investigation by ASADA, the matter was referred to the ARU as a potential violation of its anti-doping code.
Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/sunshine-coast-rugby-player-francis-burke-cops-four-year-ban-for-possession-of-growth-hormone/story-e6frf4pu-1226375861924#ixzz2K1X9Xgot
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I read it was SARMS
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dream-team-in-trouble-20130205-2dwkc.html
Caro putting in the boots.
She mentions Lonergan as an informer along with Reimers.
"For some time the view at the top was that disgruntled former players, who appear to include Kyle Reimers and Sam Lonergan, have been raising concerns about untoward practices at the club last year which saw players sign waivers before injecting certain supplements that may or may not prove illegal."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dream-team-in-trouble-20130205-2dwkc.html#ixzz2K1XK48wA
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I read it was SARMS
Well SARMS are definitely banned by WADA.
Although they have been banned for the past few years by the World Anti-Doping Agency, and there have been efforts underway to develop a testing protocol for them, there is currently no accepted testing procedure in place. The relatively short half life of SARMs, the uniqueness of their structure, their effectiveness, and the fact that research into their development is still in its infancy, presents a new and novel problem for doping authorities everywhere.
http://www.sarmsinfo.com/
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AFL site has gone into meltdown over this. A link that doesn't work had the heading that the Weapon has been sacked by Essendon as Barrett alluded to before.
AFLPA statement:
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I'm loving this. Lapping up the tears on bummer blitz http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=66590&st=60
edit: actually, start that thread from the start. It's fun reading their casual jest suddenly turn into meltdown.
How funny is this read!!
And my favourite post:
we'd be the only organisation to take performance enhancing drugs and get 5hitter as a result
:lol :lol :lol
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Someone posted this article on bigfooty showing previous bans held up by ASADA.
The Australian Rugby Union have banned Sunshine Coast Stingrays player and coach, Francis Burke, for four years for the possession and attempted trafficking of growth hormone releasing peptide-6.
The ban has been upheld by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA), who were originally alerted to a suspect package by customs in Sydney on November 28 2010.
Following an extensive investigation by ASADA, the matter was referred to the ARU as a potential violation of its anti-doping code.
Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/sunshine-coast-rugby-player-francis-burke-cops-four-year-ban-for-possession-of-growth-hormone/story-e6frf4pu-1226375861924#ixzz2K1X9Xgot
Greg Baum mentions the story of rugby players being banned last year in his article tonight.
Last year, says ASADA's register, three Queensland amateur rugby players were caught in possession of, using and/or trafficking peptide, and suspended for two to four years.
ASADA makes no allowance for the unsuspecting. ''Athletes are responsible for any substance found in their body,'' said an addendum to a release last year. ''There have been cases where … athletes have been sanctioned after they have used supplements that they thought were OK, but which were actually contaminated with prohibited substances.''
Of course, this is going straight to the last page that Evans, for one, hopes and says will not be written. But it was also patently clear yesterday that even he, Hird and Robson are turning the pages apprehensively. They refused all questions on what they now know, batting away one about a claim that players had signed waivers, for instance.
In the public domain, this much is evident. For two years, Essendon has been vexed by injuries and the management of them. Player conditioning was overseen by Dean Robinson, a controversial and remote figure. Late last year, Stephen Dank, a colleague of Robinson's at several previous clubs, left the Bombers. Rumours of irregularities have bubbled since the middle of last year, but were dismissed by the club as recently as Monday evening.
Then something changed. On Tuesday, the Bombers threw up their hands, not in surrender, but as if to say: ''Damned if we know what's going on. You tell us.''
Soon enough, ASADA will.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/confusion-forces-dons-to-seek-clarity-20130205-2dwlw.html#ixzz2K1enlv5w
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10 News just had some lawyer bloke who has worked for ASADA and other joints in the past. Said that standard sanctions start at 2 years. If anyone is guilty of supplying or selling or whatever then it will be elevated to trafficking which is 4 years to life ban. An ignorant plea isn't accepted as he said the way the laws stand are that you are responsible for what is found in your body. You can argue that you were supplied or advised by a doctor or club or whatever and may be able to get a reduction from the 2 years, but unlikely to get it entirely lifted.
So from what I can understand:
There are no grey areas and there are no excuses. If they have used anything prohibited then a lot of people from the EFC will be on holidays and/or the club will face sanctions. No ifs, buts, sorrys, almosts etc etc.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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It's almost too good to be true
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It's almost too good to be true
i concur,
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/shattered-bombers-on-their-knees-as-big-names-dragged-into-maelstro/story-e6frf9jf-1226571157115
'Sailing close to the edge' is different to going over it, Blobbo. The Hamburglar has also said somewhere on Twitter that other clubs will come forward. Probably wishful thinking on his behalf. We've had linguine armed blokes for yonks and wouldn't be anywhere near this rot.
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This is Christmas. 8)
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Best day of the year so far :dancing
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Even though it is hard to contain myself, I am not getting too excited just yet.
Essendon HAVE to play footy this season. There is too much money at stake. Half of Toorak will be in default if they don't play lol.
Speaking of Toorak, how about a quick review of the presidency of David Evans;
1st year: Sacks coach.
2nd year: threatens to sue Moonee Valley council, who have gifted EFC everything they've got, after unsuccessfully trying to buy out the bowls club. After being shunned by local community, floats $25 mill plan to move to Tullamarine, but it is actually the smog infested Gladstone Park.
3rd year: Says they've only raised $5 mill for 'Tullamarine', can the state and fed govts pay the rest.
Now this.
Essendon deserve to be where they are, they massively over achieved on a short lived game plan last year and whatever happens in terms of a penalty, this hopefully will rip the heart out of the club and render them useless for 10 years or so.
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D Crane agreed, however losing massive premiership points and golden boy getting escorted from the premises would be enough to label the year a success. They may play but at what cost. Loss of points, massive pay out to weapon and maybe Hird.
They will suffer a Carlton like collapse.
Knighter and Sheeds must be sitting back smoking a pipe right now.
Revenge is sweet
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See the bummers hooked up, up, to IV drips supplied by Dank!
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I'm just thankful that Owl and Dookie are alive and well
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They will suffer a Carlton like collapse.
I hope so.
And I wonder if the 'controversial' Matthew Lloyd will call for the sacking of James Hird like he did with Knighter.
Knighter might have made a few on field tactical blunders, but that is nothing compared to what has happened under Hird's watch.
Another great thing to come out of this, more proof that Matthew Lloyd is a hypocrite.
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there is a stench about this that will linger for along long long time.
heads will roll sooner rather than later. :thumbsup
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THE AFL was informed last year that an Essendon official had made inquiries about peptides - the substances at the centre of the club's scandal - at a sports medicine conference 12 months ago, according to former Brownlow medallist and AFL commentator Gerard Healy.
Healy said that he notified the AFL's then general manager of football operations Adrian Anderson, about the inquiry by the Essendon official, which Healy said was merely one of ''concern'' rather than any attempt to procure it.
Healy was spoken to by AFL integrity officer Brett Clothier, who is heading the AFL's part in the joint investigation with the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority into Essendon's possible use of performing-enhancing drugs.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-was-told-of-peptides-inquiry-20130205-2dwvk.html#ixzz2K2eJjI2X
ESSENDON players were taken away from the club and injected with unknown substances by sports science staff last season.
The Herald Sun can reveal the off-site injections will form part of an investigation by the AFL and Australia's anti-doping watchdog into inappropriate use of supplements at the club in 2012.
Sources allege organised crime gangs also have been linked to the scandal.
It is alleged the alarm was raised at Windy Hill midway through last season about the activities of the club's performance scientist, Stephen Dank, who has since left the club.
Expense forms totalling more than $10,000, including the cost of a registered nurse to perform injections, were regularly submitted by Dank to the club.
Essendon late last night stood down club high performance manager Dean Robinson, pending the outcome of the investigation.
The substances, which have not been identified, were taken orally, by injection and intravenously.
Essendon players were asked to sign waivers, supposedly exonerating the club of wrongdoing in the taking of the mystery substances.
It is understood an Essendon official spoke to an organised crime investigative body about his knowledge of performance-enhancing drugs in football last November.
The AFL is aware that its sport is being targeted by peddlers of illegal substances.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-facing-afl-investigation/story-fnelctok-1226570861343
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Betting has been suspended on Essendon for the wooden spoon and Essendon missing out on the top 8 market on Sportsbet.
It was only two months ago that Hird was boasting about Essendon's culture in the Herald-Sun and why it will mean they will retain players and attract others from other clubs like Goddard. Yep Hirdy what a great culture at the Bombers :wallywink :rollin.
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Can Chimp get a Brownlow out of this
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if they didnt have anything to hide.
We walk the players across the road for injections and why have players waver rights ?
Story blew up a week before xmas.
Amazing how its come out 8 weeks later'
Thanks Kyle Riemers :thumbsup
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Not the brightest on the topic, but the Binrat was just saying on MMM that it's HGH related and like all HGH cases, unless it's tested for less than 2 hours after it is taken you will never detect it.
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Lol fckn cheats
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if they didnt have anything to hide.
We walk the players across the road for injections and why have players waver rights ?
Story blew up a week before xmas.
Amazing how its come out 8 weeks later'
Thanks Kyle Riemers :thumbsup
Think it was doing the rounds well before Christmas, Jack. Media might not have been able to run with it until now but the AFL knew well before that and so did many others.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/weapon-targeted.978571/ (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/weapon-targeted.978571/)
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I'm loving this. Lapping up the tears on bummer blitz http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=66590&st=60
edit: actually, start that thread from the start. It's fun reading their casual jest suddenly turn into meltdown.
:lol
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Just a thought.....
The bombers were up and about early last season then had "injury troubles" and the team lost form.
I think at one stage they had over 10 players sidelined.
I wonder if they were really injured just the same as I wonder if Lance Armstrong really had cancer.
Was it an alleged coverup of something far more serious than soft tissue injuries?
Just asking.....
Whatever it is all I know that this is huge & the AFL will be pooting themselves.
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KB reckons Essendon are a dead club if these allegations are proven to be true.
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KB reckons Essendon are a dead club if these allegations are proven to be true.
The best part is they aren't allegations ;D it's them fessing up and admitting they've administered their players a particular substance. It's now up to whatever authorities to determine if what the substances contained were legal or not. Looking back at the rules that MT posted earlier in the thread, it doesn't have to be specifically HGH itself, but just having the same effect is also illegal. Then Roger whatshisface, who is some kind of sports lawyer and former worker of ASADA and the UK anti-doping mob, said last night on 10 news that ignorance is not accepted. Whether the players test positive or not (which they probably won't as HGH drugs can't be detected after 2 hours from administering) is irrelevant as the club has already told ASADA what they have given their players.
Just sit back and enjoy the ride ;D
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so ASADA need to discover the following
1) What was the supplement they were taking and what was in it?
2) Who supplied it?
3) How was it administered – injection, IV etc
4) Which players took it
you would think if Essendon were being legit in putting their hand up that most of that would be quickly revealed – unless they actually know nothing, in which case they are a complete rabble and the Prez, CEO, GM of Football & Coach need to walk
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the stench will get stronger as they delve a bit deeper
as for the heirachy not knowing please what do they
take us for..of course they knew. :thumbsup
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Agreed roger but honestly imagine if they didnt
That actually makes it worse that such a pathetic organization as they are can be that dumb.
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Why hire someone who dubs themselves "The Weapon"?
Immediate alarm bells should've sounded that this guy was a 24 carot knob jockey.
The Weapon is The Tool
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ESSENDON players could be called in front of an independent anti-doping tribunal if the supplements the club admitted they were taking are proved to be performance enhancing, former ASADA chairman Richard Ings says.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-06/dons-players-legal-threat
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Why hire someone who dubs themselves "The Weapon"?
Immediate alarm bells should've sounded that this guy was a 24 carot knob jockey.
The Weapon is The Tool
On the contrary, the weapon is a legend in my eyes.
gets hired on a million dollar contract
comes in tears every ones hamstring, derailing their whole season
spreads the juice around
then gets the arse but will walk away with a big big payout
thus making Essendon FC the biggest joke in the AFL
weapon=LEGEND
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Ban the club
Strip the jobe
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So a former sports club where Dank worked at previously was investigated before over supplement injections.
It comes as former Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority head Richard Ings said that if he was associated with an AFL club, he would not have hired Steven Dank, the former Essendon sports science head.
"Sport is all about integrity. It's not just the actual integrity but the perception of integrity and these are types of programs which simply push the boundaries; they push the limits and it's really up to clubs to do their own due diligence about the people they're employing," Ings told radio station SEN.
It is believed that the supplements referred to are peptides administered by injection. Peptides are a compound made up of amino-acid molecules.
Ings said on Wednesday that his assessment of Dank was based on a period when Dank worked at the Manly NRL club.
He said of an ASADA investigation into calf blood treatment – where Manly players had a supplement containing calves' blood injected – "it did highlight a tendency by some clubs to push the boundaries and take risks and it would appear that risks have been taken in this particular case [involving Essendon]".
"I do get very nervous when they throw the innocent term 'supplement' out there - you don't call ASADA if you're dealing with a simple supplement," he said.
The club has suspended its former head of conditioning Dean Robinson. Dank worked under Robinson.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essendon-bombers/dons-may-have-been-forced-into-drugs-reveal-20130206-2dxbo.html?skin=text-only
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I for one, am loving this.
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Why hire someone who dubs themselves "The Weapon"?
Immediate alarm bells should've sounded that this guy was a 24 carot knob jockey.
The Weapon is The Tool
I dunno Y&B, the hirer called itself "The War Machine" so hiring "The Weapon" seems a good fit to me. Of course, turns out The War Machine couldn't fight it's way out of a soggy paper bag of runny custard and The Weapon was a blunt pair of plastic scissors but I'm sure they all meant well.
God I'm loving this. :dancing :dogdance :highclap :veryhappy :woohoo :ROTFL
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The War Machine LMFAO :lol
Gets me every time :lol
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Why hire someone who dubs themselves "The Weapon"?
Immediate alarm bells should've sounded that this guy was a 24 carot knob jockey.
The Weapon is The Tool
On the contrary, the weapon is a legend in my eyes.
gets hired on a million dollar contract
comes in tears every ones hamstring, derailing their whole season
spreads the juice around
then gets the arse but will walk away with a big big payout
thus making Essendon FC the biggest joke in the AFL
weapon=LEGEND
The Weapon = The Needle
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Why hire someone who dubs themselves "The Weapon"?
Immediate alarm bells should've sounded that this guy was a 24 carot knob jockey.
The Weapon is The Tool
I dunno Y&B, the hirer called itself "The War Machine" so hiring "The Weapon" seems a good fit to me. Of course, turns out The War Machine couldn't fight it's way out of a soggy paper bag of runny custard and The Weapon was a blunt pair of plastic scissors but I'm sure they all meant well.
God I'm loving this. :dancing :dogdance :highclap :veryhappy :woohoo :ROTFL
:rollin
Well he may prove to be a weapon of mass destruction - for all the wrong reasons ;D
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:lol Yep, we can only hope!!
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Im no longer on Big Footy havent been for a long time. Can someone go on their and troll THE WAR MACHINE! Please Please Please ;D
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Mark McVeigh on SEN just before:
* He claims he only took vitamins B & C as he was run down due to little sleep as a result of having a new born baby. Players do the same if they have a cold leading into a weekend match.
* They were taken offsite so they had a sterile environment with a registered nurse as footy clubs are dirty.
* Never heard of the alleged drug. Had to look up Google to know what it was.
* The forms were consent forms; not waivers. If you didn't know what you were taking then you must have been asleep at the meetings which Reimers probably was (Reimers a bitter ex-player with an agenda).
* McVeigh expects Essendon to be cleared.
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Mcviegh.is a.dog.
Would not believe him as far as I could throw him.
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If all they were doing was injecting Swiss then James Turd and co wouldn't have held a press conference at AFL House asking for clarification from ASADA.
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Here's the article on what McVeigh said on SEN this arvo:
FORMER Bomber Mark McVeigh has revealed players were assured all supplements they took last year were above board and has slammed former teammate Kyle Reimers as unprofessional and "disgruntled."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-06/wed-be-shocked-and-disgusted
Here's the audio of McVeigh's interview:
http://www.sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio/Mark-McVeigh-on-the-Essendon-Investigation/7043
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And the finger pointing begins...,lmao :lol
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Vitamins B and C are contraband so they sacked the 'Weapon' :shh
::)
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pee off McVeigh you worthless hack. You have a membership to the "poo players who somehow got to 200 games club". Bloody gimp. Reimo is a legend
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Mark McVeigh on SEN just before:
* He claims he only took vitamins B & C as he was run down due to little sleep as a result of having a new born baby. Players do the same if they have a cold leading into a weekend match.
* They were taken offsite so they had a sterile environment with a registered nurse as footy clubs are dirty.
* Never heard of the alleged drug. Had to look up Google to know what it was.
* The forms were consent forms; not waivers. If you didn't know what you were taking then you must have been asleep at the meetings which Reimers probably was (Reimers a bitter ex-player with an agenda).
* McVeigh expects Essendon to be cleared.
Listening on the way home Ox said on SEN that the way McVeigh explained it off air was that the forms were a type of waiver in that if players were told what the club was giving them but if a player went outside the club to someone else (they used a chinese herbalist as an example) then form absolved the club of responsibility of theplayers going to someone outsdie the club
McVeigh also said the reason the injections were done across the road was ensure they were done in a sterile environment
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Just a thought.....
The bombers were up and about early last season then had "injury troubles" and the team lost form.
I think at one stage they had over 10 players sidelined.
I wonder if they were really injured just the same as I wonder if Lance Armstrong really had cancer.
Was it an alleged coverup of something far more serious than soft tissue injuries?
Just asking.....
Whatever it is all I know that this is huge & the AFL will be pooting themselves.
Will repeat again what was said on 3AW last night not one Essendon player failed an ASADA drug test in 2012
But understand where you are coming from
Something smells rotten, might be a fish
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Ch 7 news claiming:
* Federal Police and some other crime investigation organisation now involved.
* Computer files seized.
* Possible links between Essendon people and organised crime importing banned substances.
* All this could spread to other major sports.
* The drug allegedly involved is GHRP-6 (which is a peptide).
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Ch 7 news claiming:
* Federal Police and some other crime investigation organisation now involved.
* Computer files seized.
* Possible links between Essendon people and organised crime importing banned substances.
* All this could spread to other major sports.
* The drug allegedly involved is GHRP-6 (which is a peptide).
no no
mark is a new father and he wasnt getting enough sleep ::)
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* Possible links between Essendon people and organised crime importing banned substances.
Greatest sentence of all time.
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Mark McVeigh complete imbecile .
stated that Riemers didnt turn up for pre season
Well, how did he get a game Mark and was kept on the list for many years,please Mark
Also Injected Vit C ,
Nurse rang up 5 mins later and said,you dont inject Vit C, its taken orally
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You can inject vit C, in fact it works better that way....
Oh and I heard that only four players didn't sign the waiver form. Just over heard it so don't know if it's true and where it's come from.
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Justin Charles got 16 weeks - that's the precedent and each player should be given no less than that IMO if found guilty of course
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Mark McVeigh on SEN just before:
.......
* They were taken offsite so they had a sterile environment with a registered nurse as footy clubs are dirty.
.......
Really Mark, that was as good as you could come up with? :lol
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Justin Charles got 16 weeks - that's the precedent and each player should be given no less than that IMO if found guilty of course
Amen.
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pee off McVeigh you worthless hack. You have a membership to the "poo players who somehow got to 200 games club". Bloody gimp. Reimo is a legend
Can't agree with you Coach.
McVeigh was a very good player for them IMO and had leadership qualities.
Reimers is the type that fist pumps and does somersaults when he kicks a bag against GC when his team is already 100 points in front... Those sort gives me poos. ie Betts
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Mark McVeigh complete imbecile .
stated that Riemers didnt turn up for pre season
Well, how did he get a game Mark and was kept on the list for many years,please Mark
Also Injected Vit C ,
Nurse rang up 5 mins later and said,you dont inject Vit C, its taken orally
Really Jack if you are going to pot shots listen to the interview and what was said
He said Reimers didn't turn up ready for pre-season; condition wise
And you certainly can be given vitamin supplements via injection - Ma Powell had them to treat an iron deficiency
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I've gone from being one of the long term posters on Bomberblitz to being just an
occasional one. The morons who joke on here about a situation whereby our players may have taken performance enhancing drugs, is no laughing matter and would spell the end of our football club if found guilty.
Many supporters wouldn't want to be aligned with a club that would be vilified as cheating.
Jobe Watson will - if found to be taking a performance enhancer - be stripped of his Brownlow. Widespread sacking within the club hierarchy would have to follow, and advertising sponsors would run a mile from being associated with us.
Any massive fines would put our expansion at Tullarmarine into question, parents wouldn't want their kids tb drafted by us.
These issues I've listed here are not funny. Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson and Marion Jones (amongst others) could attest to that !
A club in melt down would be an horrific experience for everyone. Total disaster for the AFL and for all of us. Let's try and discuss it in a mature manner. If that can't be achieved then how about not posting on this thread ?
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Bents
Please post the link that your last post comes from or it will have to be removed
I assume you've copied it from bomberblitz you need to supply the link
I am not going to go looking for it for you
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I've gone from being one of the long term posters on Bomberblitz to being just an
occasional one. The morons who joke on here about a situation whereby our players may have taken performance enhancing drugs, is no laughing matter and would spell the end of our football club if found guilty.
Many supporters wouldn't want to be aligned with a club that would be vilified as cheating.
Jobe Watson will - if found to be taking a performance enhancer - be stripped of his Brownlow. Widespread sacking within the club hierarchy would have to follow, and advertising sponsors would run a mile from being associated with us.
Any massive fines would put our expansion at Tullarmarine into question, parents wouldn't want their kids tb drafted by us.
These issues I've listed here are not funny. Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson and Marion Jones (amongst others) could attest to that !
A club in melt down would be an horrific experience for everyone. Total disaster for the AFL and for all of us. Let's try and discuss it in a mature manner. If that can't be achieved then how about not posting on this thread ?
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=66596
:cheers
It was the next post that was interesting
"If we are guilty, then football is dead to me, and that scares the crap out of me."
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Caro's latest article:
IMAGINE yourself right now as the parent of a young Essendon footballer. Not so long ago, James Hird had looked you in the eye, shook your hand and assured you that your son was joining a great football club and that he, too, would be given every chance of greatness both on and off the field.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dark-days-for-afl-family-20130206-2dywt.html#ixzz2K7LClZmR
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Go Hard Caro
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The Essendon membership pack
(http://s1272.beta.photobucket.com/user/corasauras/media/garbage_zps124151ac.png.html)
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Haven't seen that one the past few days much. ;D
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apparently there were 2 forms that players signed.
taken across the road to a sterile enviroment please.
wheres the real coach in all this, step up Mark thompson.
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...James Hird had looked you in the eye, shook your hand and assured you that your son was joining a great football club...
Well that's probably their own damn fault for believing Essendon is a great club. :whistle
It's also the same James Hird who said he wasn't going to take over from Knights.
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Mark Thompson is the catalyst.
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pee off McVeigh you worthless hack. You have a membership to the "poo players who somehow got to 200 games club". Bloody gimp. Reimo is a legend
Can't agree with you Coach.
McVeigh was a very good player for them IMO and had leadership qualities.
Reimers is the type that fist pumps and does somersaults when he kicks a bag against GC when his team is already 100 points in front... Those sort gives me poos. ie Betts
He was an average at best player. Daniel Jackson is better than him. Reimo kicked more goals against GC than McVeigh gets disposals :lol
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THE man at the centre of the Essendon drugs scandal, Stephen Dank, claims the injections he gave players last year were clean.
Read more:http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/sports-scientist-at-centre-of-essendon-drugs-probe-stephen-dank-claims-jabs-were-clean/story-fnelctok-1226572105326
STEPHEN Dank, the man at the centre of the Essendon drugs investigation, was ''very concerned'' about the testosterone and growth hormone levels of his players when he approached a Melbourne doctor for advice last year.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dank-worry-on-players-blood-results-20130206-2dyet.html#ixzz2K8axoMYs
SOME Essendon players were forced to continue taking injections against their will last season - despite voicing mid-year objections.
As the probe into Essendon's controversial supplements practices deepened yesterday, it emerged a group of players was told it was club policy to continue the "experimental" practice despite complaints.
Sources said players known to be deeply troubled by the injections were told they would continue as it was a team strategy.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-forced-to-take-injections-against-their-will/story-fnelctok-1226572134797
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Mark McVeigh complete imbecile .
stated that Riemers didnt turn up for pre season
Well, how did he get a game Mark and was kept on the list for many years,please Mark
Also Injected Vit C ,
Nurse rang up 5 mins later and said,you dont inject Vit C, its taken orally
Really Jack if you are going to pot shots listen to the interview and what was said
He said Reimers didn't turn up ready for pre-season; condition wise
And you certainly can be given vitamin supplements via injection - Ma Powell had them to treat an iron deficiency
Further to my above post
from today's Age:
McVeigh added: ''Kyle Reimers has come out and said some things that are untrue. He is a disgruntled player, was delisted from the football club, very rarely turned up for pre-season training in any sort of form that resembled a professional footballer
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mcveigh-blasts-drugs-claims-20130206-2dyww.html#ixzz2K9VcPYN3
So as I said McVeigh never said he didn't turn up to pre-season traingin as you cstate Jack, he said he didnt turn up in the correct condition = massive difference
No defending McVeigh but as I said if you are going to take pot shots get the ammo for your pot shots right
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Wouldn't be surprised if Hird was in the dark and it was largly Bomber and friends behind it. Don't like to quote the bin rat, but he said Hird and Thompson often clashed last year and Thompson is the most influential person at the club.
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Investigation not expected to conclude until around April
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''He [Dank] was talking about all the supplements they were taking. By the way, none of them were illegal. He was talking about bovine colostrum and amino acids and various combinations to make protein shakes, all that sort of stuff.''
http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dank-worry-on-players-blood-results-20130206-2dyet.html
But bovine colostrum contains a growth factor called IGF-1, which is on the banned substances list
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Anyone catch that conference from Canberra then? By the crime commissioner and other big federal wigs. Essendon could have been investigated earlier and now been found out. Is it just coincidence or impeccable timing of that conference today?
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Anyone catch that conference from Canberra then? By the crime commissioner and other big federal wigs. Essendon could have been investigated earlier and now been found out. Is it just coincidence or impeccable timing of that conference today?
I started another thread about it dwaino as the press conference covered all Aussie Sport rather than just Essendon. Massive news and not good news for Essendon according to Jon Ralph on SEN.
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SHANE Charter - the convicted drug trafficker who may have supplied former Essendon sports scientist Steve Dank with supplements at the centre of footy's doping probe - has links to Bombers coach James Hird.
The Herald Sun can reveal Hird and Charter worked together for 12 months on his diet and fitness during the champion’s premiership and Brownlow Medal-winning career.
Charter was also hailed as “the architect” behind Demon Shane Woewodin’s 2000 Brownlow Medal win.
An Essendon spokesman told the Herald Sun today: “Shane Charter was introduced to James Hird by friends to give dietary advice to him and a number of his friends during 2003 and in early 2004.
"James has had no contact or communication with Mr Charter since, except when he ran into him in 2011.
“The relationship was never more than that.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendon-coach-james-hird-linked-to-convicted-drug-trafficker-shane-charter/story-e6frf9jf-1226572461168
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Anyone catch that conference from Canberra then? By the crime commissioner and other big federal wigs. Essendon could have been investigated earlier and now been found out. Is it just coincidence or impeccable timing of that conference today?
I started another thread about it dwaino as the press conference covered all Aussie Sport rather than just Essendon. Massive news and not good news for Essendon according to Jon Ralph on SEN.
Yeah I know it was about Aussie sport in general, but the timing is certainly suspect :thumbsup
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http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/organised-crime-and-drugs-in-sports-feb2013.pdf
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AUSTRALIAN CRIME COMMISSION - ORGANISED CRIME AND DRUGS IN SPORT
PEPTIDE AND
HORMONE CONSUMERS
A diverse group of individuals has been identified as users of peptides and hormones.
However, users can be categorised into three main groups:
• elite and sub-elite athletes
• bodybuilders
• anti-ageing clinic clients.
The ACC has also identified the administration of peptides and hormones to
thoroughbred racehorses, which is a breach of the Rules of Racing.
Elite Athletes 15
Widespread use of peptides has been identified, or is suspected by the ACC, in a number
of professional sporting codes in Australia. Although the use of peptides appears to be
more widespread in some major codes, individuals from a number of other sports are also
suspected of using peptides.
Multiple players (in one code) from a number of clubs are suspected of currently using or
having previously used peptides, which could constitute an anti-doping rule violation.16
Some players have also been identified as sourcing peptides for personal use. An instance
of team-based doping, orchestrated by some club officials and coaching staff, has also been
identified.
Apart from the peptide’s anabolic effects, it has been found that injured elite athletes,
particularly players from one sporting code, have been using peptides to assist in
rehabilitating soft tissue injuries.
While the level of suspected use of peptides varies between sporting codes, officials
from one club have been identified as administering, via injections and intravenous drips,
a variety of substances, possibly including peptides. Moreover, the substances were
administered at levels which were possibly in breach of WADA anti-doping rules. This
activity was orchestrated by some club officials and the club’s high performance unit.
While intelligence confirms the use of peptides in major sporting codes, it further suggests
that individuals in a range of other codes may also be using peptides.
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http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/organised-crime-and-drugs-in-sports-feb2013.pdf
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AUSTRALIAN CRIME COMMISSION - ORGANISED CRIME AND DRUGS IN SPORT
PEPTIDE AND
HORMONE CONSUMERS
A diverse group of individuals has been identified as users of peptides and hormones.
However, users can be categorised into three main groups:
• elite and sub-elite athletes
• bodybuilders
• anti-ageing clinic clients.
The ACC has also identified the administration of peptides and hormones to
thoroughbred racehorses, which is a breach of the Rules of Racing.
Elite Athletes 15
Widespread use of peptides has been identified, or is suspected by the ACC, in a number
of professional sporting codes in Australia. Although the use of peptides appears to be
more widespread in some major codes, individuals from a number of other sports are also
suspected of using peptides.
Multiple players (in one code) from a number of clubs are suspected of currently using or
having previously used peptides, which could constitute an anti-doping rule violation.16
Some players have also been identified as sourcing peptides for personal use. An instance
of team-based doping, orchestrated by some club officials and coaching staff, has also been
identified.
Apart from the peptide’s anabolic effects, it has been found that injured elite athletes,
particularly players from one sporting code, have been using peptides to assist in
rehabilitating soft tissue injuries.
While the level of suspected use of peptides varies between sporting codes, officials
from one club have been identified as administering, via injections and intravenous drips,
a variety of substances, possibly including peptides. Moreover, the substances were
administered at levels which were possibly in breach of WADA anti-doping rules. This
activity was orchestrated by some club officials and the club’s high performance unit.
While intelligence confirms the use of peptides in major sporting codes, it further suggests
that individuals in a range of other codes may also be using peptides.
Thats interesting...
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Looks like the investigations have already taken place. Seems like one club is in a shitload of trouble after reading that.
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Anyone catch that conference from Canberra then? By the crime commissioner and other big federal wigs. Essendon could have been investigated earlier and now been found out. Is it just coincidence or impeccable timing of that conference today?
Pure coincidence Dwaino. According to BomberBlitz it's all Reimer's fault. :ROTFL
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the have names and intend to go knocking
on their doors, i dont think any club will be confident
ASADA and ACC obviously have the gear on some of
the stuff going on.
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Essendons membership video... reminds me of an old Rocky film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjAtDWlAxDk
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:lol
shooting up at 10s mark
see the bombers shoot up, up,
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:lol in absolutely ripping form lately Wayno
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:lol in absolutely ripping form lately Wayno
Bit quiet at work the past week or so :shh
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Good work Wayne :thumbsup
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abc 7:30 has a good story about Danks. It just finished.
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Essendons membership video... reminds me of an old Rocky film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjAtDWlAxDk
:lol
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like stop trying to implicate golden boy, yo
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Jake Kingy tweet
"see the bomber shoot up up"
hahahah legend.
dont know how to put pictures up
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gee it doesnt look good does it.
id say they are doomed.
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Jake Kingy tweet
"see the bomber shoot up up"
hahahah legend.
dont know how to put pictures up
It's a fake twitter account daniel not Kingy at all
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they are in big strife.
heads will roll for the simple fact of their
practices.
perhaps my tip that Hird wil be replaced.
i reckon Thompson will be first. :thumbsup
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Mark Thompson is the catalyst.
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Watched Footy Classified ... feel very sad that the game has come to this.
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or are u just sad that were only being made aware that it came to this.It's clearly been this way for years.....
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Its proof that the corporatisation of sport brings out the worst in everyone.
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Fairfax Media can confirm that Essendon footballers were injected in their stomachs by sacked sports official Stephen Dank at the club last season as well as being intravenously fed supplements at a botox clinic near Windy Hill.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/war-on-sports-scientists-20130207-2e1i1.html#ixzz2KE4yzNaU
BETTING agencies have begun suspending betting on markets involving the Round 1 Adelaide-Essendon game in the wake of the drug scandal surrounding the AFL side.
Tattsbet is not offering odds on the side's round 1 clash with the Crows, due to take place on March 22, as well as "futures" betting on all clubs' end-of-season table positions.
Betting on the 2013 premiership remains on the site.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/sports-scandal-results-in-betting-suspension-on-afl-round-1-crows-and-bombers-game/story-e6frf9jf-1226573053423
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Fairfax Media can confirm that Essendon footballers were injected in their stomachs by sacked sports official Stephen Dank at the club last season as well as being intravenously fed supplements at a botox clinic near Windy Hill.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/war-on-sports-scientists-20130207-2e1i1.html#ixzz2KE4yzNaU
If that is the case and this happened without an official club doctor being present then Healy said the other night that the Bombers would be in strife as that is a breach of of the ASADA code. Injections must be given by a registered medical practioner with a doctor present
Just lurching along it would seem
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Its proof that the corporatisation of sport brings out the worst in everyone.
This.
The walls of the ivory tower are permeating a distinct smell of excrement.
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I have often talked about the ever expanding cost of running an AFL club. Clubs needing $40 million to $50 million to breakeven when the players only get $8 million. The whole thing is out of control, clubs are full of no hopers and hangers on who have their high paying jobs because they know someone at a club. Lets be honest about this, no club should need more than $25 million to $30 million to run itself. Where money, stupidity, jobs for mates etc are involved problems will always emerge. AFL clubs are taking members and supporters to the cleaners, they claim they need the money to run the club ... its bulldust they just need the extra money so they can give themselves and their mates massive pay rises year to year. What a stuffen disgrace.
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"It's been revealed that Steve Dank is a director of a company that markets peptides outlawed in sport."
http://www.facebook.com/theafloffseason
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Watched Footy Classified ... feel very sad that the game has come to this.
What even worse the Caro is till sponsored by Kmart.
Dress she wore last night she wore in the last show in 2012. :chuck
Come on Caro, surely Salvation Army is an option ::)
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Its proof that the corporatisation of sport brings out the worst in everyone.
This.
The walls of the ivory tower are permeating a distinct smell of excrement.
Al,
i love it when you talk like that.-)
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Watched Footy Classified ... feel very sad that the game has come to this.
What even worse the Caro is till sponsored by Kmart.
Dress she wore last night she wore in the last show in 2012. :chuck
Come on Caro, surely Salvation Army is an option ::)
Mail is Rivers are trying to steal her off KMart.
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have to admit though watching Essedon and its brand being smashed is a lot of fun.
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My suspicion is that it will be the AFL brand that will take the biggest hit in the wash up, along with Australian sport in general.
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Sack the fishmonger!
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My suspicion is that it will be the AFL brand that will take the biggest hit in the wash up, along with Australian sport in general.
depends on how many clubs are involved. if its limited then the club will cop it if its more than afew clubs then I would have to agree that the afl brand will take a major hit
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have to admit though watching Essedon and its brand being smashed is a lot of fun.
Its done them so well last year,Its a pity they got foundout. ;D
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what a crock of poo.
The AFL is immune to any real form of prosecution, mainly because it's owned by Media,Lawyers and accountants.(mates club)
They'll be perceived as attempting to right the wrong and all will be forgot
The most extreme outcome could see the big souvlaki axed and a new token rat given the role,
otherwise, pfffft.
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what a crock of poo.
The AFL is immune to any real form of prosecution, mainly because it's owned by Media,Lawyers and accountants.(mates club)
They'll be perceived as attempting to right the wrong and all will be forgot
The most extreme outcome could see the big souvlaki axed and a new token rat given the role,
otherwise, pfffft.
Yep,Im surprised why Vlads head isn,t on the chopping block,Inparticular if Patrick Smith is right in regards to players being forced to "rest" due to the 3 strike policy.
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Australian bookmakers Sportsbet and Tattsbet on Friday suspended betting on Australian rules team Essendon, which has been embroiled in a scandal over players taking potentially illicit performance supplements.
The club this week asked the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority to investigate the supplements given to players last season.
"Given the events surrounding Essendon, the most prudent thing to do was to suspend the betting," Sportsbet spokesman Ben Hawes told Reuters.
Sportsbet has suspended betting on all pre-season cup matches for Essendon, and for the opening match of the main AFL season between Essendon and Adelaide on March 22. It has also suspended betting for Essendon to make the 2013 playoffs.
Tattsbet has suspended bets on the Essendon-Adelaide match, and all betting on all teams to make the September finals.
http://au.eurosport.com/australian-football/australian-betting-on-football-club-suspended_sto3613221/story.shtml?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co
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CONTROVERSIAL sports scientist Stephen Dank says he is an "obvious" scapegoat in Essendon's supplement scandal but any accusations are baseless.
Dank, Essendon's former performance scientist, parted ways with the club late in 2012 as the Bombers slid down the ladder under the weight of a series of soft-tissue injuries.
Since Essendon went to the AFL with serious concerns about the substances some of its players were taking, his name continues to be mentioned in media reports.
"I mean, obviously, because I sort of managed the supplement program, I mean, obviously the finger was going to, I guess, be pointed in my direction," Dank has told ABC television's 7:30.
"I've got no specific reasons why [people would accuse me], umm, but, you know, obviously because of my involvement - and that was obviously an area that I was managing - you know, if they were going to point the finger they were gonna point the finger towards me."
The full interview with Dank will be aired on Monday night.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-09/dank-declares-innocence
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Umm rocket scientist umm NOT
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Sort.of
I guess
Ummmm
Gunna
;D
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Former Adelaide captain Chris McDermott is calling for Hird to resign.
Sadly the first head to roll might have to be one the biggest in the game.
James Hird, coach of Essendon, must be held to account for his role in the debacle at Windy Hill even if the substances involved are found to be legal. That he has allowed his players, almost to a man, to be used like guinea pigs without comprehension of what he was asking them to do is the worst football decision he will make and it could be a career changer.
The AFL has pleaded for voluntary confessions rather than forced ones, so Hird may well be best served falling on his sword and admitting misuse of his powers in the hope of returning to the game in some fashion in the not-too-distant future.
By Hird's own admission as coach the buck stops with him. The 253-game dual-premiership player, Brownlow medallist, Norm Smith medallist, five-time All-Australian, AFL hall of famer and former club captain might have to make one more sacrifice for his team in the hope others follow suit.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/chris-mcdermott-fall-on-sword-james-hird/story-e6frf9jf-1226574490510
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Deputy CEO Gill McLachlan to hold news conference at 12:30pm EDT after further discussions with the ACC.
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What's it gonna be really
Apparently to say there MAY be 2 performance enhancing situations in the AFL
All heresay really
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Essendon are stuffed. Gill has just outed them.
Another club is also in trouble for a player(s) using non-ASADA approved substances.
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Essendon are stuffed. Gill has just outed them.
Another club is also in trouble for a player(s) using non-ASADA approved substances.
Are there any articles or videos of the conference with Gill yet?
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Essendon are stuffed. Gill has just outed them.
Another club is also in trouble for a player(s) using non-ASADA approved substances.
Are there any articles or videos of the conference with Gill yet?
It was on sky news.
But I missed most of it.
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Essendon are stuffed. Gill has just outed them.
Another club is also in trouble for a player(s) using non-ASADA approved substances.
Are there any articles or videos of the conference with Gill yet?
It was on sky news.
But I missed most of it.
Yeah I missed it too. Just did a Google news search but no one has even paraphrased it yet.
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Nine News Melbourne @9newsmelb
BREAKING: The AFL has confirmed one case involving the possibility of WADA-prohibited performance enhancing drug use relates to Essendon.
Craig Hutchison @craighutchy
Smart move by AFL - clarifying aside from bombers broad investigation , just one issue of one player at one club under scrutiny.
The hunt for this one player is on.
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Blobbo has been awful quiet lately :lol
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Brace yourselves
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FOX SPORTS News @FOXSportsNews
AFL says WADA-banned substances possibly administered without players consent & knowledge in case of multiple players at one club (Essendon)
Deputy CEO Gillon McLachlan says possible use of banned substance by one player at one club is likely known by club in question
#AFL also confirms it’s unaware of any instance of suspected match fixing
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SUMMARY:
AFL No.2 Gillon McLachlan held a media conference on Sunday to discuss the Australian Crime Commission report into drug use (blood doping and illicit) and match-fixing. A summary of what he said;
- The AFL confirms Essendon is a club under investigation for possible multiple breaches in relation to PED use by multiple players.
- The AFL says it's aware of a possible breach in relation to PED use by ONE player at another, yet to be named AFL club.
- The AFL says players at Essendon may have been administered PEDs without their knowledge or consent.
- The AFL says there is no evidence or findings from the ACC investigation suggesting any AFL game has been subjected to match-fixing.
- The AFL says it's aware that after being briefed by the ACC that illicit drug use is a "serious issue" in its competition.
http://melbourne-live.triplem.com.au/Event/Crime_Commission_And_Australian_Sport
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Brace yourselves
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One Eyed heard the whole interview and he said say "may" be found to be using illegal substances. Nothing new to report here.
Judging by a few of the questions phone tapping has played a part here id say
Nothing is certain yet unfortunately as i was just about ready to start putting my xmas tree up again
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The hunt for this one player is on.
Binhider Barrett is on the case no doubt
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Why mention Essendon specifically now if the AFL has nothing new to say (we already knew they were under investigation) and when the AFL had refused to name any individuals or clubs until today?
Btw Ch 9 news reporting that Stephen Dank is planning to sue various media outlets for $10m.
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ESSENDON are set to start the AFL season under a cloud of suspicion, with an investigation into the potential use of performance-enhancing drugs by multiple Bombers players likely to take months to complete.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/afl-supremo-gillon-mclachlan-confirms-acc-report-focusing-on-two-specific-cases-of-peds/story-e6frf9jf-1226574753324
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ESSENDON are set to start the AFL season under a cloud of suspicion, with an investigation into the potential use of performance-enhancing drugs by multiple Bombers players likely to take months to complete.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/afl-supremo-gillon-mclachlan-confirms-acc-report-focusing-on-two-specific-cases-of-peds/story-e6frf9jf-1226574753324
Months? I don't see why it should take months.
The ACC have already been on the case for a year.
I'm over all this speculation, its starting to give me the poos.
Just name the players and throw the book at em. And let's get the games under way.
.....We better beat that bloody Carlscum round 1.
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I heard an interview with someone from the ACC and what he said was strange when asked what evidence they had.
He said that they don't have evidence per say, but have intelligence?
he then said they have a lot of statements and that they corroborate each other.
I think what he was trying to say that they know it is going on, but don't have the hard evidence that would stand up in court.
This is probably why names have not been released publicly
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Essendon will tank to "prove" they aren't using performance enhancers? :shh
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I heard an interview with someone from the ACC and what he said was strange when asked what evidence they had.
He said that they don't have evidence per say, but have intelligence?
he then said they have a lot of statements and that they corroborate each other.
I think what he was trying to say that they know it is going on, but don't have the hard evidence that would stand up in court.
This is probably why names have not been released publicly
I suppose then its phone taps, video surveillance of probably underworld characters with obvious liaisons with certain AFL identities etc.
Probably not enough to do anything with but enough info to let the AFL know what's happening.
They say they know and try and scare players into coming forward.
Im over it! Lets just get on with the footy!
P. S. we better beat Carlscum round 1!
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Why mention Essendon specifically now if the AFL has nothing new to say (we already knew they were under investigation) and when the AFL had refused to name any individuals or clubs until today?
Btw Ch 9 news reporting that Stephen Dank is planning to sue various media outlets for $10m.
I took today's comments by Gil McLachlan to mean that Essendon was the only club under investigation via the ACC report.
I think they've decided to make today's comments simply to try and take some pressure off clubs in that on Thursday the wording from the big "presser" with the govt, ACC, ASADA and the honchos from the major sports implied the drug side of things was rife throughout all comps, think the AFLwanted to say that isn't the case.
Unfortunately,what they've done is increase the speculation because of the "one player,one club" statement.
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Unfortunately,what they've done is increase the speculation because of the "one player,one club" statement.
i thought everyone knew who that was
edited: keep the speculation/rumours off the forum
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Maybe Beyonce is implicated?
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Maybe Beyonce is implicated?
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Now that is :lol :lol
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Maybe Beyonce is implicated?
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:lol
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Sports scientist Stephen Dank says Essendon coach James Hird knew players were being treated
Alex White and Amanda Lulham
Herald Sun
February 11, 2013 8:42PM
EMBATTLED sports scientist Stephen Dank has claimed Essendon Football Club officials, including coach James Hird, knew players were being treated with supplements.
In an explosive interview tonight Dank alleged Hird was fully aware of the program that saw players injected with substances.
"There was a collective involvement - you know it wasn't just Steve Dank," he told ABC's 7.30 journalist Caro Meldrum-Hanna.
"There was certainly input from people outside myself. There was a very significant involvement from Dean (Robinson) as the high-performance manager, there was detailed discussion with James Hird, there was detailed discussion with the club doctor."
The sports scientist proclaimed his innocence throughout the interview, saying he was a biochemist and supplement programs were regularly used at most top AFL clubs.
He denied injecting players with a banned substance and said he was "very surprised" when the club called a conference announcing it was unaware of what the program involved.
Dank denied peptides were injected but said up to four different peptide formulas could have been given to players.
Dank runs two other rejuvenation clinics in Victoria and NSW that he said ran programs separate to his work with elite football teams.
GHRP-6 or peptide 6, listed on Dank's clinic website, is a human growth hormone banned by the Australian Anti Doping Authority of Australia. He admitted he did sell the substance but denied it was used on elite athletes. He also rejected links with criminal gangs.
Dank also said fans would be naive to think Essendon was alone in its rigorous sports science push as AFL clubs chased an edge on their rivals.
Dank suggested every AFL club employed high-tech strategies in a bid to gain the ultimate on-field success.
"I don't think, you know, you'd be sort of foolish to think that Essendon were the only (club) that were looking at these sort of programs," Dank said.
"And I think when you think of what these players do on a week-to-week and a year-to-year basis, I think you've got 18 clubs that are all very well coached and obviously all have a very good high performance unit and they want cutting edge."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/more-sport/sports-scientist-stephen-dank-to-sue-over-drug-claims/story-e6frfglf-1226575060123
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Anyone watching Can of Worms? Aker making some ripping comments. Reckons ASADA have been taking $500k a year from AFL and NRL and still rely on the police to do their job. Reckons he passed on things he had seen years ago and yet it has taken until 2013 for anything to happen.
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The AFL's anti-doping code covers club officials as well. Not sure if this includes coaches using WADA banned substances themselves but if it does and if Dank isn't telling porkies then this could go further than the players and former sports scientists at Essendon.
http://www.aflpa.com.au/images/uploads/2010_Anti-Doping_Code_2.pdf
3. APPLICATION OF CODE
3.1 This Code applies to:
(a) Players, whether in or out of competition;
(b) Clubs and their Officers;
(c) Officials; and
(d) all persons involved in any capacity or manner in Anti Doping Rule Violations.
3.2 Any Player, Club, Officer, Official or other Person to whom this Code applies who commits an Anti Doping Rule Violation or otherwise breaches the provisions of this Code is liable to the sanctions provided by the Code.
Sanctions: minimum 10 Penalty Units (refer clause 14)
3.3 A Club will be deemed to have breached this Code should any of its Officers or Officials breach this Code and may be sanctioned in addition to the Officers or Officials concerned.
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14. SANCTIONS
14.1 Ineligibility for Presence, Use or Attempted Use, or Possession of Prohibited Substances and Prohibited Methods.
The period of Ineligibility imposed for a violation of Clause 11.1 (presence of Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers), Clause 11.2 (Use or Attempted Use of Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method) and Clause 11.6 (Possession of Prohibited Substances and Methods) shall be as follows, unless the conditions for eliminating or reducing the period of Ineligibility, as provided in Clauses 14.3 and 14.4, or the conditions for increasing the period of Ineligibility, as provided in Clause 14.5, are met:
First violation: Two (2) years' Ineligibility
14.3 Elimination or Reduction of Period of Ineligibility for Specified Substances under Specific Circumstances.
Where an Player or other Person can establish how a Specified Substance entered his body or came into his Possession and that such Specified Substance was not intended to enhance the Player’s sport performance or mask the Use of a performance-enhancing substance, the period of Ineligibility found in Clause 14.1 shall be replaced with the following:
First violation: At a minimum, a reprimand and no period of Ineligibility, and at a maximum, two (2) years of Ineligibility.
To justify any elimination or reduction, the Player or other Person must produce corroborating evidence in addition to his word which establishes to the comfortable satisfaction of the hearing panel the absence of an intent to enhance sport performance or mask the Use of a performance-enhancing substance. The Player’s or other Person’s degree of fault shall be the criterion considered in assessing any reduction of the period of Ineligibility.
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why would WADA care if club officials, who dont actually play the sport take performance enhancing drugs?
WTF would club officials even want to take this stuff to start with?
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Al just wondering do you think it would affect say a teacher of school kids if the teacher was taking some sort of drug?..lol not sure what performance enhancing drug a teacher would take..maybe LSD for an art teacher or a creative writing teacher.
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it's such a grey area. There are substances that we the general public can take, that are found in supplements bought over the counter, that an athlete subject to testing cannot.
Club officials are not competing on the field, so I cant see why they would come under WADAs scrutiny, or even jurisdiction for these substances.
If you talk about recreation drugs, which you would not want a teacher to be on with kids in their care, then that is different. I actually dont see why players would be tested for this, as many hamper performance rather than enhance it, yet club officials and AFL officials are not tested.
It seems that it must be OK for the head honchos of the AFL to snort coke but not a player.
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LSD is definitely not a grey area ;D
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it's such a grey area. There are substances that we the general public can take, that are found in supplements bought over the counter, that an athlete subject to testing cannot.
Club officials are not competing on the field, so I cant see why they would come under WADAs scrutiny, or even jurisdiction for these substances.
If you talk about recreation drugs, which you would not want a teacher to be on with kids in their care, then that is different. I actually dont see why players would be tested for this, as many hamper performance rather than enhance it, yet club officials and AFL officials are not tested.
It seems that it must be OK for the head honchos of the AFL to snort coke but not a player.
I'm not a great reader of legal mumbo jumbo. Does what MT post say players are testing for recreational drugs but when it comes to performance enhancing drugs they test players, docs, coaches etc?
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nah, it's just been raised because Dank claimed club officials have taken these substances.
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LSD is definitely not a grey area ;D
more like a kaleidescope.
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This song has pretty much summed up this off season. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAXPUN2z2CE
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Latest merchandise range at Windy Hill ;D
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http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?s=a09b07edfd1ea8c02affca6112fc27ba&showtopic=66616
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it's such a grey area. There are substances that we the general public can take, that are found in supplements bought over the counter, that an athlete subject to testing cannot.
Club officials are not competing on the field, so I cant see why they would come under WADAs scrutiny, or even jurisdiction for these substances.
If you talk about recreation drugs, which you would not want a teacher to be on with kids in their care, then that is different. I actually dont see why players would be tested for this, as many hamper performance rather than enhance it, yet club officials and AFL officials are not tested.
It seems that it must be OK for the head honchos of the AFL to snort coke but not a player.
I'm not a great reader of legal mumbo jumbo. Does what MT post say players are testing for recreational drugs but when it comes to performance enhancing drugs they test players, docs, coaches etc?
I don't believe they test the coaches nor other club officials. It was Dank who said the coaches especially Hird were well aware of what was going on and Hird was present sometimes when waivers were signed. Dank added that some coaches (no names) were also on supplement programs which in their case could include non-WADA approved substances as they didn't have to worry about that unlike the players.
It's just interesting to find that the AFL anti-doping code applies to club officials also. Where this all fits together regarding Essendon and alleged claims by Dank that the coaches were using non-WADA approved substances I don't know.
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Oh I see thanks :thumbsup
I'm with Al on this. Test players for performance enhancers and leave it at that. If they want to snort or inject let them do it, it's their life and career they're throwing away. If anything they should test officials for recreational more than players as the officials have control of much more than the way they play on he field
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The umps are on drugs, see it every bloody weekend ;D
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ESSENDON fitness guru Dean Robinson has done nothing wrong, his lawyer David Galbally QC says.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-13/the-weapon-hires-highpowered-lawyer-
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He is an ugly bastard.
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Has Galbally actually ever got anyone off anything LMAO most overrated QC going around
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channel 7 have a special show on now about AFL drugs. I can see a richmond top there behind andrew sitting but I cant see their face yet to name who is representing richmond there.
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Cameron ling sticking up for AFL. Asking Kate Lundy about her comments and how its tarnished every sports person with the same brush.
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Dan Jackson is on it.
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Jacko spoke well on the show. Even took the mickey out of himself by saying in regards to PEDs - "I know that being the strongest and fittest player doesn't necessarily mean you'll get a kick." ;D.
Too bad the show was simply going over old ground and talking about things we already knew.
Has Galbally actually ever got anyone off anything LMAO most overrated QC going around
Whereas his father famously made the family name defending tough cases and winning them.
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ESSENDON seems certain to be found guilty of a breach of the AFL Anti-Doping Code if even one player admits being given legal intravenous infusions at Windy Hill.
Whether those infusions carried legal drugs or banned peptides, it is the manner in which they entered they body that would breach the AFL's code.
The AFL's code makes it clear intravenous infusions are "prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions or clinical investigations".
Those breaches of the code - "prohibited methods" - are viewed as just as serious as using "prohibited substances", and attract a two-year ban.
It is alleged Essendon players were taken over the road from Windy Hill to a Botox clinic and given intravenous drips.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/iv-drip-use-at-windy-hill-enough-to-breach-doping-law/story-e6frf9jf-1226578316393
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just another case where the AFL is butt stuffed.
intravenous saline is the quickest way to rehydrate, yet they ban it, even though dehydration can cause serious health problems.
They allow an injured player to get anesthetic injections into an injured knee, ankle etc so the player can run on it and cause further damage, yet that player cannot then take substances that the rest of the public can to help heal that injury quicker, which further promotes pain killing injections......
What a bunch of arse clowns
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just another case where the AFL is butt stuffed.
intravenous saline is the quickest way to rehydrate, yet they ban it, even though dehydration can cause serious health problems.
They allow an injured player to get anesthetic injections into an injured knee, ankle etc so the player can run on it and cause further damage, yet that player cannot then take substances that the rest of the public can to help heal that injury quicker, which further promotes pain killing injections......
What a bunch of arse clowns
A bit like governments criminalising drugs but allowing cigarettes and alcohol to be legal! :help
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just another case where the AFL is butt stuffed.
intravenous saline is the quickest way to rehydrate, yet they ban it, even though dehydration can cause serious health problems.
They allow an injured player to get anesthetic injections into an injured knee, ankle etc so the player can run on it and cause further damage, yet that player cannot then take substances that the rest of the public can to help heal that injury quicker, which further promotes pain killing injections......
What a bunch of arse clowns
WADA allows it IF a player is dehydrated but if so they aren't allowed to take the field again.
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just another case where the AFL is butt stuffed.
intravenous saline is the quickest way to rehydrate, yet they ban it, even though dehydration can cause serious health problems.
They allow an injured player to get anesthetic injections into an injured knee, ankle etc so the player can run on it and cause further damage, yet that player cannot then take substances that the rest of the public can to help heal that injury quicker, which further promotes pain killing injections......
What a bunch of arse clowns
WADA allows it IF a player is dehydrated but if so they aren't allowed to take the field again.
This is what Brisbane were doing in the early 2000s weren't they?
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yeah, that was what led to it being banned.
just another farce.
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Can anyone confirm how Dookie went with his probe
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Blues fans are unhappy it's NOT them :lol
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Dear Carlton Football Club,
For the past 100 years we've had a rich history of salary cap breaching, hush money, underworld ties, tanking, poaching players, draft tampering, owning Arden Street, VISY, corporate corruption, & brown paper bags. We have the biggest trophy cabinet in the league and decades of constant success driven by a win-at-all-costs mentality while showing utter disregard for all AFL rules. As a passionate supporter I have fully embraced our culture and I am extremely proud of what it had allowed us achieve.
So when I heard about this systematic doping scandal I expected that as a powerhouse club we would be at the absolute forefront of this science. That we would have set up our own underground drug labs and the worlds best sport scientists concocting all sorts of performance enhancing recipes in-house that no-one had ever heard of - anabolic leg injections to make Armfield kick straight, peptide pills that would cure Aaron Joseph's utter shi*ness and some sort of animal DNA mutation therapy to remove McLean's turtle-like qualities. We'd probably even be conducting illegal human testing on Norf's second tier playing list as a part of our ownership of their club.
But no, we are in the middle of the biggest cheating scandal in AFL history and Carlton is not even one little bit involved. Not a single mention, not even a hint of a mention. In fact the only drugs administered at the Carlton Football Club over the past few years are botox injections by Bryce Gibbs' beautician.
There may be loser clubs like the saints & Bulldogs who would be happy to accept decades of mediocrity while playing within AFL rules - but not Carlton supporters. The fact that undetectable performance-enhancing drugs exists and we are not fully exploiting them to our advantage is an utter disgrace. It goes against the fabric and principles that this very club was built on.
You have changed Carlton. You have lost the very identity that made you a huge success and the envy of 15 other clubs. Get back to your roots, cheat your hearts out and start ordering a few more shelves for our club's trophy cabinet.
Kind Regards,
XXXXXX
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Can anyone confirm how Dookie went with his probe
Yesssss :clapping
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ESSENDON could find itself in limbo for most or all of the season, as experts predict the ASADA investigation could drag on beyond six months.
It could see the bizarre situation of Essendon being in a position to challenge for the premiership, only to be stopped in its tracks by an adverse July or September finding.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendon-drug-probe-expected-to-last-six-months/story-e6frf9jf-1226579467972
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It could see the bizarre situation of Essendon being in a position to challenge for the premiership
LOL
Rest easy imbecile.
Wont happen
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It could see the bizarre situation of Essendon being in a position to challenge for the premiership
LOL
Rest easy imbecile.
Wont happen
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:lol
If Essendon stopped in its tracks between July and September we wouldn't know the difference ;D.
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Bombers' scientists 'bypassed rules'
Richard Baker and Nick McKenzie
The Age
February 20, 2013 - 12:16PM
Essendon's sports science team allegedly bypassed the club's AFL-accredited medical staff and used at least one external doctor to assist in a supplements program at the centre of an anti-doping inquiry.
The Bombers' sports science team is understood to have engaged the services of at least one, and possibly two, external Melbourne doctors with limited sports medicine expertise to participate in the player's supplements regime between late 2011 and mid-2012.
Medical sources aware of the arrangement have alleged that one of the external doctors involved may have written prescriptions for the players to be issued with supplements.
Essendon's long-standing and respected club doctor, Bruce Reid, is understood not to have been aware that the players supplements regime involved doctors from outside the club.
The external doctor involved has refused repeated requests to discuss his role in the supplements program.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is investigating Essendon's supplements program for the 2012 season. The club and its former sports science chief, Stephen Dank, have denied any performance enhancing drugs were used.
But the club and its players could face sanctions if it is established that the injections given to players breached the AFL's rules on intravenous infusions.
A spokesman for Essendon declined to comment on the alleged use of external doctors, citing the ongoing anti-doping probe.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essendon-bombers/bombers-scientists-bypassed-rules-20130220-2eqp9.html#ixzz2LPLFGybX
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the rehash of rehashes....yawn
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(http://alphadog.net.au/publicfiles/bombers.jpg)
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good one Al.Did u make it?
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good one Al.Did u make it?
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nah, not mine.
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Classic :clapping
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Ch 7 news tonight said the Bomber players are feeling more confident about being cleared after ASADA visited Windy Hill today and told them if it can be proven Essendon players were given non-approved substances without their knowledge then they'd escape a ban.
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Ch 7 news tonight said the Bomber players are feeling more confident about being cleared after ASADA visited Windy Hill today and told them if it can be proven Essendon players were given non-approved substances without their knowledge then they'd escape a ban.
So, if they were all taking illegal p.e substances on a regular basis all they have to do is collectively plead they didn't know and they are off the hook? Anyone can say that and sign a stat dec. Stuff me....
This competition is a joke.
If its that easy to get off, every player will be doing illegal p.e substances soon.
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Ch 7 news tonight said the Bomber players are feeling more confident about being cleared after ASADA visited Windy Hill today and told them if it can be proven Essendon players were given non-approved substances without their knowledge then they'd escape a ban.
So, if they were all taking illegal p.e substances on a regular basis all they have to do is collectively plead they didn't know and they are off the hook? Anyone can say that and sign a stat dec. Stuff me....
This competition is a joke.
If its that easy to get off, every player will be doing illegal p.e substances soon.
Absolutely agree. Unless they come down hard and punish individuals it will set a precedent.
Geezus, 'not knowing what I was taking' has been around as an excuse since forever. :rollin
Absolving personal responsibility opens a Pandora's Box.
The AFL will reap what they sow.
Hopefully common sense prevails and ASADA cut through the spin.
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Jon Ralph on KB's show reckons the Bombers' players will get off but Essendon itself as a club (and presumably senior officials) will be whacked for allowing all this to occur under their noses and on their watch. A case of negligence and lacking due diligence in failing in their duty to protect their players.
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If the players don't get bans / club not lose picks its all verysuss
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ESSENDON assistant coach Mark Thompson says he feels embarrassed to walk in public in light of the drug scandal currently engulfing his club.
As the AFL and Australian Sports Anti Doping Authority continue their investigation in to the club's alleged use of performance enhancing drugs last year, Thompson said the matter was the most serious issue he had ever had to deal with in football.
Thompson said the club's image had "copped a hammering", making life difficult for all players and staff.
"It's been very hard to survive and to live," Thompson said.
"Everywhere you go you feel embarrassed, you think that people are thinking you've done these things that everybody has been saying we're doing.
"To be honest we just have to sit back and wait, and we can't defend ourselves because we're just not allowed to and we understand that, we're part of this process where we want to find the truth out and once the truth comes out we'll deal with the consequences.
"In that regard it's been really difficult."
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/bomber-thompson-embarrassed-over-essendon-drugs-scandal/story-e6frf9jf-1226585429552
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Lol
The hero
The savior
Hahaha idiot
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You make your own bed.
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The [Essendon] Board and I are now aware of irregular practices by the club that are being investigated by ASADA and the AFL, and that is why we have decided to call an independent and external review into the governance and processes that have led to us being in the position we are today.
In announcing this review, I want to make sure that we are able to give answers to our members about what happened and why, and to put in place any changes needed to ensure that this doesn’t happen again.
See more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-27/full-statement-from-essendon#sthash.bLHGwDM8.dpuf
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Nice ploy, u corporate dogs.
It seems everyone has some type of faux-legal, jargon crap disclaimer,
designed to both negate any given issue and at the same time, distance the "spirit"
of in this case, the football club from any true wrong doing.
Go stuff urselves essendon.
If the dog wasn't so scared of being found out to have had prior knowledge of all shady goings on in the AFL, u would have been tried and hung by now.
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ESSENDON assistant coach Mark Thompson says he feels embarrassed to walk in public in light of the drug scandal currently engulfing his club.
"To be honest we just have to sit back and wait, and we can't defend ourselves because we're just not allowed to and we understand that, we're part of this process where we want to find the truth out and once the truth comes out we'll deal with the consequences.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/bomber-thompson-embarrassed-over-essendon-drugs-scandal/story-e6frf9jf-1226585429552
So, does that mean everything he said prior to that is a lie?
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inb4 nothing happens. :-[
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yep
"Essendong have been found not guilty of doping. As a result Dean Robinson will be suspended from the AFL for 12 months, Football Manager Danny Corcoran for 6 months, and the club will be fined $500,000. But I reiterate that there is no conclusive evidence proving that they systematically doped their players in breach of AFL and ASADA drug codes. I'm not even sure what the definition of doping means" – Gilligan McLaughlin
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Give or take petty details, reckon you'll be bang on there gherkin.
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The other he [Evans] would not detail yesterday but related to some disturbing practices that have taken place without his knowledge. Nor, and this is damning for chief executive Ian Robson, was the administration aware of these practices.
At least three 2012 Essendon players have confirmed to football officials that they were injected in the stomach by Stephen Dank twice a week over a three-month period last season. Those players also named two senior coaches who participated in this supplements program. Dank has alleged those coaches’ supplements were ‘‘a little bit outside’’ the WADA code.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/thompson-robson-the-likely-fall-guys-20130227-2f6e2.html#ixzz2M7KKQ600
COACH James Hird and senior assistant Mark Thompson have been virtually assured they will remain at Essendon despite the club opening its doors to an independent investigator.
See more at: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/vote-of-support-for-essendon-coach-james-hird-and-assistant-mark-thompson/story-e6frf9jf-1226587193042#sthash.Ibmm0cdf.dpuf
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Well, we best tarnish their remaining reputations as best we can.
Propaganda 101.
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TWO AFL players have stepped forward and ''blown the whistle'', complaining to the AFL of irregular practices at their clubs.
The players are the first to respond to the competition's whistleblower policy, first mooted after the Essendon scandal and the Australian Crime Commission's disturbing findings into match fixing and drug cheating in sport.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-players-blow-the-whistle-20130228-2f98e.html#ixzz2MDECtZKp
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''The whistleblower service will protect individuals who come forward, guarantee confidentiality and offer reduced sanctions to those who put their hands up and, in some cases, no sanctions.''. - Andrew Demetriou
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-players-blow-the-whistle-20130228-2f98e.html#ixzz2MDrfCSdn
So its possible players who admit being drug cheats and can get get off without any sanctions (from the AFL), whilst guaranteeing they won't be named. Just by admitting it.
Eff me this game is stuffed. :facepalm
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''The whistleblower service will protect individuals who come forward, guarantee confidentiality and offer reduced sanctions to those who put their hands up and, in some cases, no sanctions.''. - Andrew Demetriou
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-players-blow-the-whistle-20130228-2f98e.html#ixzz2MDrfCSdn
So its possible players who admit taking drugs and can get get off without any sanctions (from the AFL), whilst guaranteeing they won't be named
Eff me this game is stuffed. :facepalm
Dooks
Did you see any evidence of this during your days?
'65
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Not so, but I do recall a kid running out with a full beard in under 14's.
Who knows what the deal was with that.
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''The whistleblower service will protect individuals who come forward, guarantee confidentiality and offer reduced sanctions to those who put their hands up and, in some cases, no sanctions.''. - Andrew Demetriou
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-players-blow-the-whistle-20130228-2f98e.html#ixzz2MDrfCSdn
So its possible players who admit being drug cheats and can get get off without any sanctions (from the AFL), whilst guaranteeing they won't be named. Just by admitting it.
Eff me this game is stuffed. :facepalm
We should have a side bet amongst us punters what penalty these clowns will get
In tipping jack
The blackest day in australian sport my arse
its actually the funniest day in australian sport
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Not so, but I do recall a kid running out with a full beard in under 14's.
Who knows what the deal was with that.
65 thinks you played AFL? :lol
Maybe the kid wasn't 14. Some junior clubs cheat you know. Not in the spirit of the game IMO and we need integrity officers at each club in Australia to sort this out.
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Not so, but I do recall a kid running out with a full beard in under 14's.
Who knows what the deal was with that.
65 thinks you played AFL? :lol
Maybe the kid wasn't 14. Some junior clubs cheat you know. Not in the spirit of the game IMO and we need integrity officers at each club in Australia to sort this out.
Not AFL
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Not so, but I do recall a kid running out with a full beard in under 14's.
Who knows what the deal was with that.
65 thinks you played AFL? :lol
Maybe the kid wasn't 14. Some junior clubs cheat you know. Not in the spirit of the game IMO and we need integrity officers at each club in Australia to sort this out.
Not AFL
VFL? You have him confused with someone else if you think he could play. ;D
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''The whistleblower service will protect individuals who come forward, guarantee confidentiality and offer reduced sanctions to those who put their hands up and, in some cases, no sanctions.''. - Andrew Demetriou
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-players-blow-the-whistle-20130228-2f98e.html#ixzz2MDrfCSdn
So its possible players who admit being drug cheats and can get get off without any sanctions (from the AFL), whilst guaranteeing they won't be named. Just by admitting it.
Eff me this game is stuffed. :facepalm
We should have a side bet amongst us punters what penalty these clowns will get
In tipping jack
The blackest day in australian sport my arse
its actually the funniest day in australian sport
I'll say jack too.
But we wont know what they get assuming the afl is true to its word of guarenteeing confidentiality
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Not so, but I do recall a kid running out with a full beard in under 14's.
Who knows what the deal was with that.
Don't judge a.book by its cover.
Those.kids were.prolky.short by u18s
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essendong face probe
(http://i.imgur.com/BWXpEby.gif)
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essendong face probe
(http://i.imgur.com/BWXpEby.gif)
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Essenflogs are used to copping balls on the chin.
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How soft is the bloke to the right
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is that jetta?
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is that jetta?
Yes I think that maybe LeRoy
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looks like Hocking. Who cares who it is, the whole team is a farce and cant wait for us to smash them this year
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is that jetta?
Yes I think that maybe LeRoy
I'm surprised he didn't dive.
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is that jetta?
Yep saw it on the replay this evening
Definitely LeRoy
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looks like Hocking. Who cares who it is, the whole team is a farce and cant wait for us to smash them this year
Dan, I think there talking about Jetta just to the left of Hocking who is quick to put his arms up and ducks when the ball's not even comming near him :lol he's jumping at shadows :lol
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looks like Hocking. Who cares who it is, the whole team is a farce and cant wait for us to smash them this year
Dan, I think there talking about Jetta just to the left of Hocking who is quick to put his arms up and ducks when the ball's not even comming near him :lol he's jumping at shadows :lol
of course cheers mate can only focus on one idiot at a time before it starts to hurt my brain.
what a tool that bloke is.
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looks like Hocking. Who cares who it is, the whole team is a farce and cant wait for us to smash them this year
Dan, I think there talking about Jetta just to the left of Hocking who is quick to put his arms up and ducks when the ball's not even comming near him :lol he's jumping at shadows :lol
of course cheers mate can only focus on one idiot at a time before it starts to hurt my brain.
what a tool that bloke is.
:lol :lol :thumbsup
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looks like Hocking. Who cares who it is, the whole team is a farce and cant wait for us to smash them this year
Dan, I think there talking about Jetta just to the left of Hocking who is quick to put his arms up and ducks when the ball's not even comming near him :lol he's jumping at shadows :lol
of course cheers mate can only focus on one idiot at a time before it starts to hurt my brain.
what a tool that bloke is.
Doesnt help when Bents doesnt know his left and rights ;D
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:pray
According to the rumour (and again we repeat this is a rumour) up to four coaches will be dismissed in the coming weeks but not, at this stage James Hird or Mark Thompson, and a staggering 38 players face suspension over the next few months.
http://www.footballnation.com.au/latest-news/football-nation-rumour-mill/
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:pray :pray :pray
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A group of Essendon players were injected up to 40 times each last season as part of the club's free-wheeling supplements program.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-were-last-year-urged-to-have-one-injection-a-week/story-fnelctok-1226595910515
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Essendon employed Stephen Dank last season without reference-checking the discredited sports scientist with any of his previous three football employers, including Gold Coast.
Nor did the Bombers go to Suns chief executive Travis Auld - who worked at Essendon for close to a decade - before signing new high-performance boss Dean Robinson to a three-year contract worth close to $1 million.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-did-not-check-dank-20130315-2g69u.html#ixzz2NfdLXlzi
:stupid
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****ing scum are this club
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-secret-deal-exposed-20130327-2guq0.html
A proposed deal between the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority and Essendon whereby Bombers players would escape doping sanctions with zero penalty, while Cronulla players would be given a minimum six-month ban, was aborted after protests from lawyers acting for ASADA and Cronulla.
Question that needs to be asked is if the Bombers are innocent as they claim, why seek an under the table deal with ASADA?
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Can't wait until this all blows up.
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WD ASDA lawyers.
Take no prisoners
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Holy Crap
:o
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/right-thing-for-hird-to-do-is-step-down-20130410-2hlvg.html
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Robbo is fighting a bushfire with a garden hose:
Essendon coach James Hird will fight claim he took substance banned for players
Mark Robinson, Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
April 10, 2013 11:42PM
James Hird
A club source says Essendon coach James Hird is ''an honourable person''. Herald Sun
ESSENDON coach James Hird will deny allegations that he took a drug, which players are banned from taking, during the 2012 season.
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There is no suggestion that the drug is illegal or that Hird would be in breach of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority rules if it is proved he took the drugs.
Sports scientist Stephen Dank has claimed he injected Hird with a substance banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
But a club source told the Herald Sun last night: "James will fight this ... this is not true. James is an honorable person, these people are disreputable and the club will not rest until his name is fully cleared. This is an outrageous allegation."
It is also claimed that Hird was aware of the entire supplements program at Essendon, which included taking players off site for injections, and that the players signed consent forms listing the type of supplements they'd be taking.
It's been reported a number of players took a form of pig's brain peptides, and an anti-obesity drug.
It's believed investigations by the club and ASADA will see the Bombers admit to not doing due diligence on the employment of staff, and "irregular practices".
Dank, who is at the centre of allegations about the use of performance-enhancing drugs in rugby league, made the latest claims in an interview with Fairfax Media.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendon-coach-james-hird-will-fight-claim-he-took-substance-banned-for-players/story-e6frf9jf-1226617780563
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Hird is an honorable man I agree.
He might be the type of coach that would not ask the players to do something he wouldn't do himself. That is honorable.
But if this Fairfax story is true then it is not just a spotfire for efc to put out, Hird has been a fool and it will linger about the club like a foul stench until he goes.
A rare shout out to Caro for using this to try and drive a wedge through the Bombers hierarchy :clapping
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Hird injected drugs
Nick McKenzie and Richard Baker
The Age
April 11, 2013
Essendon coach James Hird has been accused of injecting a WADA-blacklisted drug in a program where his players were given another substance anti-doping regulators now say should be banned.
The sports scientist who ran the club's supplement program, Stephen Dank, said he injected James Hird with hexarelin - which WADA banned in 2004 - and that before and during the 2012 AFL season, players were given anti-obesity drug AOD9604.
Information gathered by ASADA corroborates this, but in a statement sent last night, Hird said: ''These claims are horrifying to me, and are being made by a person or people who appear determined to destroy my reputation.''
''I have at all times fully adhered to, and promoted the WADA code and the AFL rules, and the code of ethics of the Essendon Football Club.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hird-injected-drugs-20130410-2hlvx.html#ixzz2Q55kxMjO
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Bet ya Mark Neeld will be happy reading the Age & HUN this morning while having his "Coco Pops"
Blow torch moves North/West to Essendon today and away from him ;D
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The Age reporting that Hird will stand down this week ;D
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Whatever Essendon do this year will be clouded forever. Hopefully they crash and burn again ;D.
The Age reporting that Hird will stand down this week ;D
Bomber Thompson to fill in as caretaker coach? That would be ironic given he got Dank to come to Essendon.
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Is this history repeating?
I don't understand why so many journalists aren't looking into the "golden boy's" links with a convicted drug trafficker.
The Herald Sun can reveal Hird and Charter worked together for 12 months on his diet and fitness during the champion’s premiership and Brownlow Medal-winning career.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendon-coach-james-hird-linked-to-convicted-drug-trafficker-shane-charter/story-e6frf9jf-1226572461168 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendon-coach-james-hird-linked-to-convicted-drug-trafficker-shane-charter/story-e6frf9jf-1226572461168)
It seems that only Caro and Patrick are the only ones game enough to call for him to step down.
If this was Matty knights I'm sure the bombers would've already did this before their first press conference.
You won't see Robbo say anything negative about the "golden boy" Hird. Bloody softie.
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Demetriou said the other day the Essendon situation (I think based on the club's own internal report) was "ugly". Looks like Hird may be the first to step down. The CEO's head would be on the chopping block as well as all this happened under his watch.
Edit: SEN saying the Essendon media dept. has told them Hird will fly over to Freo and coach this week.
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Good times :cheers
players must get 2 years bans. Club to be docked premiership points. ie. euoprean fotoball
http://media.theage.com.au/system/ipad/hird-essendon-facing-another-drugs-crisis-4180278.html
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Essendon should be stripped of all premiership points over the next 2 years IMHO and they should also be stripped of all national draft picks over the next two years.
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It still could happen at a later date Ramps. The AFL must be furious about its brand is being damaged and tarnished by the Bombers.
What was the point of that Essendon press conference btw? Evans didn't take any questions from the media throng. A media release could've said Essendon are planning to do nothing new and let the ASADA investigation take its course.
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It still could happen at a later date Ramps. The AFL must be furious about its brand is being damaged and tarnished by the Bombers.
What was the point of that Essendon press conference btw? Evans didn't take any questions from the media throng. A media release could've said Essendon are planning to do nothing new and let the ASADA investigation take its course.
Was honestly expecting something juicy. That conference sucked and was absolutely pointless.
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Ch 9 news tonight displayed txt messages between Hird and Dank. Hird telling Dank he's doing a good job, how IV would be used especially on older players and how what they are doing is ahead of other clubs including one going for a flag.
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hird has many questions to answer if these texts are proven legitimate IMHO.
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New information will be released on the ABC 7:30 report tonight
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-11/new-revelations-over-hird27s-involvement-in-supplements-program/4624050
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Hird: Good work today mate. The boys were up and about. We have lots to work with.
Dank: IV start next week. And Thymosin and Ubiquinone. We will start to see some real effects.
Dank: Is (player) in your best 22?
Hird: At his best, yes. Why?
Dank: I am just working out his injections for the year. As an older leaner body I might infuse him more particularly for the recovery. I often IV the older bodies.
Dank: I also know that they (a rival club) are trying everything they can in supplements and recovery modes to win this premiership.
Hird: But not as good as us in that area!!!
the hun
From:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendon-coach-james-hird-will-fight-claim-he-took-substance-banned-for-players/story-e6frf9jf-1226617780563
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Full article that Bents has partially posted:
Essendon coach James Hird will fight claim he took substance banned for players
Mark Robinson, Jon Ralph From: Herald Sun April 11, 2013 6:56PM
LEAKED text messages allegedly reveal James Hird and Stephen Dank boasting about Essendon's drugs supplement program.
The text messages, shown on Channel 9 tonight, have not been verified, but appear to show a close relationship between the Bombers coach and the sports scientist at the centre of the club's controversial injections program.
Hird has declared he will coach Essendon against Fremantle tomorrow night and the club today stood by him after claims emerged he had been injected by Dank with a substance banned for use by players.
Channel 9 says it has six months' worth of text messages between Hird and Dank, including the following exchanges:
Hird: Good work today mate. The boys were up and about. We have lots to work with.
Dank: IV start next week. And Thymosin and Ubiquinone. We will start to see some real effects.
Essendon coach James Hird and captain Jobe Watson leave Windy Hill today.
Dank: Is (player) in your best 22?
Hird: At his best, yes. Why?
Dank: I am just working out his injections for the year. As an older leaner body I might infuse him more particularly for the recovery. I often IV the older bodies.
Dank: I also know that they (a rival club) are trying everything they can in supplements and recovery modes to win this premiership.
Hird: But not as good as us in that area!!!
Earlier today, AFL chief Andrew Demetriou said Hird would be held to account if it is proven he has compromised his duty of care as Essendon coach.
Demetriou said allegations that Hird was injected with a drug were "very serious".
"I can't think of anything more serious," Mr Demetriou said at a press conference this afternoon.
Demetriou said speculation over whether Hird would stand down should be put off until the ASADA investigation was complete.
"Notwithistanding that, it is very clear that ... if any coach or official puts a duty of care of their players at risk, then they will be held accountable."
"There is no place for them in our game.
"As a parent, and not just as the CEO of the AFL, the issues as reported surrounding the potential use of various substances is something that is disturbing, very disturbing, particularly when we're talking about the health and welfare of young men."
Full article: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendon-coach-james-hird-will-fight-claim-he-took-substance-banned-for-players/story-e6frf9jf-1226617780563
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Has Karma ever tasted so good Knighter.
I don't think so.
This football club deserve everything they get. They are a disgraceful organisation.
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Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?
Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.
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Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?
Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.
Dank offered info to The Age for their recent articles didn't he? I'm assuming he's offered up SMS correspondence too. I think lol. I vaguely remember reading on bomberblitz about how they were confused as to why on one hand Dank was suing media, then giving others info.
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Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?
Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.
Gotta say It waS the first thing I thought of too al. How did they get those TXT messages?
Thought in the beginning the bombers were in strife. As it gets murkier and messier and the bombers lurch on towards who knows what you just know they are massive trouble
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What is Thymosin and Ubiquinone?
Are they banned?
I remember Mcveigh say on radio that all he had was vitiman B & C.
It all sounds a bit sus to me.
I think the bombers are in a whole lot of trouble.
And I have no doubt that Knights would've been marched out of the place before the first press conference in feb.
Looks like the "golden boy" will be given the benefit of the doubt.
All I'm saying is that a lot of people didnt want to beleive that Lance Armstrong was guilty until they seen him confess to Oprah.
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Looks like Thymosin may be a problem for the "golden boy"
http://theconversation.com/cronulla-sharks-and-thymosin-beta-4-is-it-doping-12694 (http://theconversation.com/cronulla-sharks-and-thymosin-beta-4-is-it-doping-12694)
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Just keeps getting better. :lol
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Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?
Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.
who cares just get yourself some popcorn and watch the show ;D
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Essendon coach James Hird to tell drug authorities he was injected twice
Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
April 12, 2013
ESSENDON coach James Hird will reveal he received two injections from disgraced sports scientist Stephen Dank - but only for health reasons.
The Herald Sun can reveal Hird will tell anti-doping authorities he believed the jabs - administered around March last year - were harmless and legal amino acids.
It comes as new details emerge of the discussions between the Essendon coach and Dank relating to player supplement use.
A source close to Hird said he would meet Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigators on Tuesday and tell them he took the injections because he was feeling ill.
Dank has claimed he injected Hird with Hexarelin, which was banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency in 2004, and that Hird and other coaches took Melanotan II, which has a tanning effect and could also function as an aphrodisiac.
Hird, set to coach the Bombers in Perth tonight, has fiercely denied taking WADA-banned substances.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-coach-james-hird-to-tell-drug-authorities-he-was-injected-twice/story-e6frf9l6-1226618609404
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What is Thymosin and Ubiquinone?
Are they banned?
FORMER Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank claims that coach James Hird used Hexarelin and Melanotan II. But what are they and why would anyone take them?
In a nutshell, Hexarelin is used to burn fat, gain muscle and help recovery time by stimulating the release of natural growth hormone. In sporting terms, it’s a performance-enhancer, which explains why it has been banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
In clinical trials, Melanotan II boosted sex drive as well as helping the user become tanned. It has never been approved for public use outside of trials, but unlicensed versions are available online.
Hexarelin
Hexarelin is a peptide (remember them? If not, see below), which increases strength and improves the size and growth of muscle fibres by telling the body to increase its levels of natural growth hormone.
Its exponents claim it also helps to protect the nervous system, hastens recovery and healing, and helps to reduce fat without increasing the user's appetite.
Hexarelin is not illegal. It was banned by WADA in 2004, but the ban applies to athletes only, not coaches.
Full report: Hird must have 'natural justice'
Melanotan II
Melanotan II is another peptide that was developed in a US university in an effort to help prevent skin cancer.
Early trials suggested that as well as having a melanogenesis (tanning) effect without the need for sunshine, it also functioned as an aphrodisiac, and could potentially be used to help men with erectile dysfunction.
While not illegal, it has not been approved by Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration (or, as yet, any other government medical body) for commercial use.
Concerns have been raised that the use of Melanotan and related products could increase the risk of skin cancer as well as damaging the immune and cardiovascular systems. Many health agencies worldwide have issued warnings about the product.
Peptides
Peptides – a chain of amino acids - have been developed to help human cells to repair and regenerate.
Just as letters of the alphabet form words, amino acids can be combined to produce “words” that are effectively messages for the body.
The peptide variant known as GHRP tells the body to increase levels of growth hormone, making it of particular interest to the sporting and bodybuilding communities.
Not all peptides are banned, but those stimulating growth hormone are on the World Anti-Doping Authority's prohibited list.
However, they are difficult to police and test for because they are rapidly metabolised, effectively disappearing without trace within hours.
They are sold as a cream or in a solution for injection.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-drugs-that-james-hird-allegedly-took-explained/story-fnelctok-1226617947615
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Under the WADA code and by the rules of ASADA, Hird is not subject to any penalties because the code doesn't cover Coaches
But that wonderful AFL Rule 1.6 that covers bringing the game into "disrepute" is the one that sweep up Jimmy.
Go old rule 1.6, the rule of the AFL that covers what other rules miss :clapping
Have no dobut big Andy D, will run out Jimmy Hird out of town if these allegations are proven just so he can prove he is running the show and has ultimate control ;D
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Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?
Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.
who cares just get yourself some popcorn and watch the show ;D
here here
reminds me of the last episode of Seinfeld. Newman scoffing the popcorn down as he watches the demise of his nemeses
well this is the EFC and they deserve everything that's coming to them.
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Under the WADA code and by the rules of ASADA, Hird is not subject to any penalties because the code doesn't cover Coaches
But that wonderful AFL Rule 1.6 that covers bringing the game into "disrepute" is the one that sweep up Jimmy.
Go old rule 1.6, the rule of the AFL that covers what other rules miss :clapping
Have no dobut big Andy D, will run out Jimmy Hird out of town if these allegations are proven just so he can prove he is running the show and has ultimate control ;D
just like he did with the dees
Negative WP if proven correct big fine, 6 month sanction and that's the end of it.
My guess is Asada's findings complete in September, Hird banned in October for 6 months.(bringing the game into disrepute) EFC to resume as per normal come April start of 2014 season.
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Yeah but when you know for a fact players were injected – this is not being disputed – but you can't prove what they were injected with you build a case of circumstantial evidence which is enough to convict under WADA rules. If Hird gets done for using banned substances, is in bed with Dank, along with all this being done off site and with the club doctor out of the loop... well... it doesn't look good does it... especially if Hird & Essendon'd story has changed from 'we know nothing, we are shocked to be here'... to, well, actually, we know what was going on but it's not what it looks like we swear... :police:
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AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou says Essendon coach James Hird should consider standing down
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hird-should-consider-standing-down-demetriou-20130412-2hpff.html#ixzz2QCuNrJ3K
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just like he did with the dees
Negative WP if proven correct big fine, 6 month sanction and that's the end of it.
My guess is Asada's findings complete in September, Hird banned in October for 6 months.(bringing the game into disrepute) EFC to resume as per normal come April start of 2014 season.
daniel, disagree
AFL will go after him because the can't afford not because of the fiascos we've had over the last few months, eg the Dees, Adel & Tippett. Andy D is on the war path over this. He's already saying Hird should stand down
I agree with you he will cop a big fine and suspension but the suspension will take in the season proper
Only way he wont cop a mighty whack fromt he AFL is if the EFC sack him and that I doubt will ever happen
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AFL boss Andrew Demetriou thinks Essendon coach James Hird should consider stepping down while investigations into the Bombers' drugs program are completed.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/andrew-demetriou-hints-at-more-revelations-in-essendon-drugs-crisis/story-e6frf9l6-1226618920018
Hird was interviewed after Demetriou made his comments and said he won't be standing down.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-coach-james-hird-dismisses-suggestions-by-afl-boss-andrew-demetriou-he-should-step-down-over-drugs-claims/story-e6frf9l6-1226618920018
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AFL boss Andrew Demetriou says Essendon face more bombshells
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
April 13, 2013
ESSENDON could be hit with massive fines, the suspension of key officials and even the loss of draft picks as the AFL becomes increasingly likely to charge the club with bringing the game into disrepute.
And while experts confirmed yesterday the AFL's own anti-drug code cannot ban James Hird for using performance-enhancing drugs, the league can still punish him through other rules.
Its code of conduct has unlimited powers to sanction players, coaches and officials for conduct unbecoming -- which likely would include the use of banned drugs by an AFL coach.
Essendon's continuing controversy over its supplements program deepened yesterday when AFL chief Andrew Demetriou revealed yet more bombshells to come under the AFL's joint investigation with anti-doping body ASADA.
In effect, he acknowledged it was possible Hird took the WADA-banned drug Hexarelin, despite Hird's ardent denials.
American prosecutors who have taken down Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong have confirmed that, despite coaches being mentioned in the AFL's anti-doping code, that reference is to the administering of substances to players by coaches. It does not cover coaches using the substances themselves.
But the AFL can sanction Hird for his personal use under its code of conduct, if not the strict parameters of the anti-doping policy.
The AFL confirmed yesterday those sanctions -- fines, suspension and even the loss of draft selections -- were all available at the AFL Commission's discretion.
First the AFL is likely to watch Essendon's response to the imminent release of former Telstra boss Ziggy Switkowski's internal report, and consider the club's own sanctions for "irregular practices".
Through its investigation with ASADA, the AFL's integrity unit has access to Essendon's investigation into possible performance-enhancing drug use.
Demetriou is regularly briefed by his integrity team on developments, so his comments that there were more issues to be unearthed would have sent a chill down the spine of Essendon officials.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/afl-boss-andrew-demetriou-says-essendon-face-more-bombshells/story-e6frf9l6-1226619566443
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Serious inconsistencies in James Hird's version of events that took place during last year's football season have become a matter of grave concern for the Essendon board.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/coachs-shifting-stories-worry-bombers-board-20130412-2hr5e.html
STEPHEN Dank allegedly blew Essendon's entire supplements budget just two months into last year's football season.
The Herald Sun has been told Dank began seeking cheaper alternative supplement suppliers in May, complaining that his department owed $20,000 to a South Yarra pharmacist.
Specifically, Dank had been seeking peptides including CJC-1295 and GHRP6, multi-vitamins, colostrum and tribulus.
In an unverified text message sent last March, Dank told Bombers coach James Hird that players would be injected with the peptide thymosin. Another text in May discusses how an anti-obesity drug would be paid
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendons-supplement-budget-went-in-two-months/story-e6frf9jf-1226619499436
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Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?
Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.
who cares just get yourself some popcorn and watch the show ;D
here here
reminds me of the last episode of Seinfeld. Newman scoffing the popcorn down as he watches the demise of his nemeses
well this is the EFC and they deserve everything that's coming to them.
so the end justifies the means?
if this info came about from a similar scenario what happened in Britain, where the media media illegally tapping into people phones, it would be OK because it is Essendon?
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Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?
Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.
who cares just get yourself some popcorn and watch the show ;D
here here
reminds me of the last episode of Seinfeld. Newman scoffing the popcorn down as he watches the demise of his nemeses
well this is the EFC and they deserve everything that's coming to them.
so the end justifies the means?
if this info came about from a similar scenario what happened in Britain, where the media media illegally tapping into people phones, it would be OK because it is Essendon?
What makes you so sure that's what happened.
If drugs or performance enhancing drugs that can effect the integrity of our sport are involved, then police and the AFL are duty bound to do whatever it takes to get the real story.
If they are guilty I don't care how they did it or why they did it or who they got it off.
The EFC should cease to exist for at least 2 years. They are taking hard earned points and dollars away from clubs like ours who do the right thing. We may miss finals or another club miss top 4 and lose big $$$ cause of that pathetic organisation.
Screw them
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Daniel is 100% spot on. Essendon shouldnt even be allowed to be playing for points right now. They are an absolute disgrace to our sport and to the entire sporting community worldwide.
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Daniel is 100% spot on. Essendon shouldnt even be allowed to be playing for points right now. They are an absolute disgrace to our sport and to the entire sporting community worldwide.
Why?
They haven't been found guilty of anything and whether we agree or not they are entitled to the presumption of innocence until their guilt is proven
Seriously what happens regarding points if they are proven innocent (unlikely IMV)? Do you give them back? Take othem off the teams that have played them and won? Seriosuly what do you do?
*****I've always said they are in massive trouble and will cop their right whack but until them the competition goes ahead as it always has. Would think it would be far more satisfying to folks if they collected all these points and come the 2nd last round of the year and they nestled nicely in the top 8 they have them stripped and they tumble to last... ;D ;D ;D*****
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Agree WP. I do think that would be funnier. Can anyone remember what happened when Storm got stripped of points mid season? Did the teams about to play them get a guaranteed win? Did the teams who they already played get the points that were stripped from the Storm?
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Agree WP. I do think that would be funnier. Can anyone remember what happened when Storm got stripped of points mid season? Did the teams about to play them get a guaranteed win? Did the teams who they already played get the points that were stripped from the Storm?
Nope, if the opposition team won they got the 4 points as normal but if they lost then no-one got the points.
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Agree WP. I do think that would be funnier. Can anyone remember what happened when Storm got stripped of points mid season? Did the teams about to play them get a guaranteed win? Did the teams who they already played get the points that were stripped from the Storm?
Nope, if the opposition team won they got the 4 points as normal but if they lost then no-one got the points.
Ok thanks.
I loved this part of the article:
The Herald Sun has been told Dank began seeking cheaper alternative supplement suppliers in May, complaining that his department owed $20,000 to a South Yarra pharmacist.
Blew the budget in May and then the team went of the rails in June. :lol Can't afford to cheap out on your PEDs. ;D :shh
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Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?
Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.
who cares just get yourself some popcorn and watch the show ;D
here here
reminds me of the last episode of Seinfeld. Newman scoffing the popcorn down as he watches the demise of his nemeses
well this is the EFC and they deserve everything that's coming to them.
so the end justifies the means?
if this info came about from a similar scenario what happened in Britain, where the media media illegally tapping into people phones, it would be OK because it is Essendon?
What if Dank leaked them :shh His career is down the toilet might aswell drag the people stabbing you in the back with you.
If I'm not mistaken they admitted to using IV drips yeah? From my understanding, that's a breach of the anti-doping code in itself
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Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?
Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.
who cares just get yourself some popcorn and watch the show ;D
here here
reminds me of the last episode of Seinfeld. Newman scoffing the popcorn down as he watches the demise of his nemeses
well this is the EFC and they deserve everything that's coming to them.
so the end justifies the means?
if this info came about from a similar scenario what happened in Britain, where the media media illegally tapping into people phones, it would be OK because it is Essendon?
What if Dank leaked them :shh His career is down the toilet might aswell drag the people stabbing you in the back with you.
If I'm not mistaken they admitted to using IV drips yeah? From my understanding, that's a breach of the anti-doping code in itself
It is now banned but at that time was not and within the rules
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i never said i was sure, how can any literate person draw that conclusion from this conversation? i said how does channel 9 get hold of a personal text message?
I really can only think of one way they could get hold of it that has any real credence - Illegally. either that are they are making it up or are using an unreliable and unsubstantiated source.
as i said, you seem to to think that the end justifies the means, because you dont care how they got hold of the text or even if it is true, just that it contributes to the misery befalling essendon.
IF, and i repeat IF, once again for the slow witted IF, the media are tapping into phones, then there is an issue even greater than the a few overpaid sportmen taking peptides.
Just out of curiosity, Daniel, how do you think Chanell 9 may have come by these supposed personal texts between Hird and Dank?
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i never said i was sure, how can any literate person draw that conclusion from this conversation? i said how does channel 9 get hold of a personal text message?
I really can only think of one way they could get hold of it that has any real credence - Illegally. either that are they are making it up or are using an unreliable and unsubstantiated source.
as i said, you seem to to think that the end justifies the means, because you dont care how they got hold of the text or even if it is true, just that it contributes to the misery befalling essendon.
IF, and i repeat IF, once again for the slow witted IF, the media are tapping into phones, then there is an issue even greater than the a few overpaid sportmen taking peptides.
Just out of curiosity, Daniel, how do you think Chanell 9 may have come by these supposed personal texts between Hird and Dank?
Perhaps by Dank himself? Which is why it's unsubstantiated as has been reported.
It may have been leaked by the police for all we know after all they are within their right to do so if they suspect wrong doing.
It does seem odd how fairfax seem to hold all the aces and the HUN are clueless as per usual.
I care little where the information comes from if its proven criminal activity has taken place.
In fact if phones were tapped and EFC are found guilty then IMO they should be applauded for their efforts in destroying the EFC
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so back to my original statement you do think the end justifies the means.
says a lot , really
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so back to my original statement you do think the end justifies the means.
says a lot , really
Yes only if criminal activity is found to be present.
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:lol
criminal activity justified to expose criminal activity.
as i said, it says a lot......
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Ok, as much as all you blokes wants to see carnage at essendon,
How the stuff does chanell 9 get hold of private text messages?
Either it is made up or chanel 9 has hacked into hird's or dank's phone, which itself would be a much larger issue.
who cares just get yourself some popcorn and watch the show ;D
here here
reminds me of the last episode of Seinfeld. Newman scoffing the popcorn down as he watches the demise of his nemeses
well this is the EFC and they deserve everything that's coming to them.
so the end justifies the means?
if this info came about from a similar scenario what happened in Britain, where the media media illegally tapping into people phones, it would be OK because it is Essendon?
What if Dank leaked them :shh His career is down the toilet might aswell drag the people stabbing you in the back with you.
If I'm not mistaken they admitted to using IV drips yeah? From my understanding, that's a breach of the anti-doping code in itself
It is now banned but at that time was not and within the rules
Does WADA have any sort of "control" over ASADA? Because I was taught it was only acceptable in medical emergencies but maybe it was the other one?
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i never said i was sure, how can any literate person draw that conclusion from this conversation? i said how does channel 9 get hold of a personal text message?
I really can only think of one way they could get hold of it that has any real credence - Illegally. either that are they are making it up or are using an unreliable and unsubstantiated source.
as i said, you seem to to think that the end justifies the means, because you dont care how they got hold of the text or even if it is true, just that it contributes to the misery befalling essendon.
IF, and i repeat IF, once again for the slow witted IF, the media are tapping into phones, then there is an issue even greater than the a few overpaid sportmen taking peptides.
Just out of curiosity, Daniel, how do you think Chanell 9 may have come by these supposed personal texts between Hird and Dank?
Whats with the insults dude?
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who'd i insult?
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who'd i insult?
Hmmm it looks like you had a go at slow witted and illiterate people..... The Collingwood cheer squad?
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who'd i insult?
Look at the underlined comments plus this "says a lot , really". Don't deny they were cheap shots, pathetic really
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"This says a lot"
when someone thinks that illegal activity is ok because they dont like the recipients. yep i stand by that. it does say a lot.
so whats the difference between that and calling someone pathetic?
as for the underlined, who in particular do you think i was insulting?
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"This says a lot"
when someone thinks that illegal activity is ok because they dont like the recipients. yep i stand by that. it does say a lot.
so whats the difference between that and calling someone pathetic?
as for the underlined, who in particular do you think i was insulting?
He admitted it was because they did something illegal not because of who it was.
I said your cheap shots were pathetic, not you as a person.
Daniel
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"This says a lot"
when someone thinks that illegal activity is ok because they dont like the recipients. yep i stand by that. it does say a lot.
so whats the difference between that and calling someone pathetic?
as for the underlined, who in particular do you think i was insulting?
He admitted it was because they did something illegal not because of who it was.
I said your cheap shots were pathetic, not you as a person.
Daniel
Ignore him mate. Tiges won, thats all that matters, he will probably complain about that too.
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"This says a lot"
when someone thinks that illegal activity is ok because they dont like the recipients. yep i stand by that. it does say a lot.
so whats the difference between that and calling someone pathetic?
as for the underlined, who in particular do you think i was insulting?
He admitted it was because they did something illegal not because of who it was.
I said your cheap shots were pathetic, not you as a person.
Daniel
no, he made it quite clear he doesnt care how the info was gained, just that it shafts essendon.
I care little where the information comes from if its proven criminal activity has taken place.
In fact if phones were tapped and EFC are found guilty then IMO they should be applauded for their efforts in destroying the EFC
im guilty of cheap shots, but not in this case. it is what it is.
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"This says a lot"
when someone thinks that illegal activity is ok because they dont like the recipients. yep i stand by that. it does say a lot.
so whats the difference between that and calling someone pathetic?
as for the underlined, who in particular do you think i was insulting?
He admitted it was because they did something illegal not because of who it was.
I said your cheap shots were pathetic, not you as a person.
Daniel
Ignore him mate. Tiges won, thats all that matters, he will probably complain about that too.
based on what? care to explain? give examples of precedence perhaps?
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no, he made it quite clear he doesnt care how the info was gained, just that it shafts essendon.
so back to my original statement you do think the end justifies the means.
says a lot , really
Yes only if criminal activity is found to be present.
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yep, when someone thinks that illegal activity is ok because it exposes illegal activity, that says a lot.
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yep, when someone thinks that illegal activity is ok because it exposes illegal activity, that says a lot.
I thought he thought it was okay cause it was Essendon :shh
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Hird, then players, to face ASADA
Essendon coach James Hird will be followed by the Bombers' leadership group in being interviewed by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
Hird will be interviewed by ASADA on Tuesday. The interviews could be lengthy and held over multiple meetings.
Essendon has been informed that its leadership group will be the first of the players to be interviewed. The players are entitled to have their own lawyer and others, such as their agent or a parent, present.
The AFL Players Association's lawyer Brett Murphy will also attend all interviews.
According to observers with knowledge of ASADA's investigations, its meeting with James Hird is but one chapter in what looms as a 20-chapter book.
''Whether the interview goes for two hours or six hours, at the end of it, the media and everyone else will be none the wiser because it's just the first interview,'' the observer said.
''It won't have anyone coming in declaring they have done something wrong.
''It won't have ASADA accusing somebody that they have done something wrong.''
Former ASADA head Richard Ings warned on Monday that the Hird interview was only one of 100 likely to be held and that the process would go for months. All interviews need to be collated and cross-referenced.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hird-then-players-to-face-asada-20130415-2hw5z.html#ixzz2QZGglLrA
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How do I get a job at ASADA?
Sounds like a pretty cushy job.
Excellent job security too, investigations never seem to end.
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How do I get a job at ASADA?
Sounds like a pretty cushy job.
Excellent job security too, investigations never seem to end.
And the side benefits too. Taking home the unused drug samples after they are finished with them! ;D
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How do I get a job at ASADA?
Sounds like a pretty cushy job.
Excellent job security too, investigations never seem to end.
And the side benefits too. Taking home the unused drug samples after they are finished with them! ;D
:lol
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ESSENDON players are expecting to be interviewed by ASADA investigators in about a fortnight.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-18/players-next-on-asada-list
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World Anti-Doping Agency confirms growth hormone allegedly used by Essendon players is a banned substance
Carly Crawford, James Dowling
From: Herald Sun
April 23, 2013 11:28AM
THE World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has confirmed a growth hormone alleged to have been used by Essendon players last year is a banned substance, as convicted drug dealer Shane Charter says he helped footballers use performance enhancing drugs.
It is alleged anti-obesity drug AOD-9604, which has not been cleared for human use, was administered to at least six Essendon players last year by controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank.
Confusion has surrounded the status of the growth hormone with the Australian Crime Commission stating in its Drugs in Sport report that the drug was not yet banned.
But last night WADA issued a statement that as the drug has not been approved for human use it is a banned substance.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/world-anti-doping-agency-confirms-growth-hormone-allegedly-used-by-essendon-players-is-a-banned-substance/story-e6frf9l6-1226626345644
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Well now that has been confirmed we might see some action ;D
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Well now that has been confirmed we might see some action ;D
Wishful thinking. ;D
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Well now that has been confirmed we might see some action ;D
Wishful thinking. ;D
Yeah the Afl will close up shop. Can't see them going hard on the bummers. Asada and Wada be hanged.
I doubt Wada have any jurisdiction anyway and Asada is a political body so a word here or there from a Polly or two and they'll get off lite.
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The pieces of the puzzle are now coming together and it's bad news for the Bombers :yep.
Essendon admit to drug investigators some of its players took anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 last year
Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
April 25, 2013
ESSENDON has admitted to drug investigators some of its players took the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 last year.
The Bombers said they relied on a document purported to have been issued by the World Anti-Doping Agency approving use of the substance, which WADA confirmed this week was banned.
It is believed Essendon's former sports scientist Stephen Dank showed a document to Bombers club doctor Bruce Reid.
Essendon does not have the letter, and believes Dank has the only copy.
Several Essendon officials are aware of the letter's existence.
Dank was not available to respond to questions about the document yesterday.
It has been reported "half a dozen" Bombers took the drug as part of the supplements program at Essendon last year, the subject of a joint Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority-AFL investigation.
While AOD-9604 is not banned under category S2 of the WADA code - which lists specific substances - it is prohibited under category S0, which states substances not approved for human use are prohibited at all times.
Reid has been interviewed by ASADA investigators and is believed to have told them of the letter of authorisation.
Essendon coach James Hird also has been interviewed, with other coaches and players to follow.
Dank has not yet agreed to talk to ASADA.
Given he is not employed by an AFL club, he is not compelled to submit to interview.
Asked about an AOD-9604 "authorisation letter" last night, an Essendon spokesman said: "The club has launched an AFL-ASADA investigation and an internal review and we will not be commenting until the investigations are completed."
If charged with doping, players would be expected to defend themselves under 'exceptional circumstances' provisions in the WADA code and the AFL Anti-Doping Code, which can have two-year bans cancelled.
WADA's rule 10.5.1 discusses the principle of "no fault or negligence", and is based on athletes proving they did not know what they were being given by sports scientists or doctors.
If an athlete can prove "in an individual case that he or she bears no fault or negligence, the otherwise applicable period of ineligibility shall be eliminated".
The Australian Crime Commission said yesterday it had relied on information from ASADA in compiling its report on drugs in sport, which stated several times AOD-9604 was not prohibited.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-admit-to-drug-investigators-some-of-its-players-took-anti-obesity-drug-aod-9604-last-year/story-fndv8gad-1226628993513
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Well now that has been confirmed we might see some action ;D
Wishful thinking. ;D
Yeah the Afl will close up shop. Can't see them going hard on the bummers. Asada and Wada be hanged.
I doubt Wada have any jurisdiction anyway and Asada is a political body so a word here or there from a Polly or two and they'll get off lite.
Said it all along. The penalties will be minor IMO.
At worst 6 months starting in October, 500k penalty for bringing the game into disrepute( just so they can be seen as doing something)
Andy D should resign. In his time we have had betting, drugs in sport, tanking.
He is a weak administrator who cares more for protecting the millions of dollars through tv rights and sponsorships.
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If Hurley was taking them, it didn't work! :lol
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For this season I am supporting other than Richmond of course anyone who play the bumblings.
It is a misappropriation of time and effort this investigation if no "appropriate punishment" that affects the footy club and its players is dealt in season.
Furthermore if nothing "appropriate" is handed out and they make the 8 or make the top 4 of make the GF and someone else misses out whilst they get a slap on the wrist with a wet newspaper whilst others get made examples of is a blight on football and the current administrators should resign immediately for the benefit of the sport moving forward especially since what we have seen in athletics, swimming and more recently in cycling.
How can our club admittedly rebuild, sure from a position of our own making initially but reach a point of competitiveness and then have external factors such as compromised drafts, umpiring, inequities of fixturing and then you have others showing a total disregard of the rules and have a slap on the wrists while others for example have a 500K fine to pay yet tanking does not exist according to the administration. ::)
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blobbo is running their PR campaign, that article
about Bambi this morning made me vomit in my Cornflakes.
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blobbo is running their PR campaign, that article
about Bambi this morning made me vomit in my Cornflakes.
Rumour going around is that if EFC is found guilty that there penalty may look something like this:
they will be stripped of all points for season 2013 and 2014
they will lose r1 r2 and r3 national draft choices in 2013 and 2014
they will be fined $2 million with half suspended for 5 years.
a number of players will be suspended
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blobbo is running their PR campaign, that article
about Bambi this morning made me vomit in my Cornflakes.
Rumour going around is that if EFC is found guilty that there penalty may look something like this:
they will be stripped of all points for season 2013 and 2014
they will lose r1 r2 and r3 national draft choices in 2013 and 2014
they will be fined $2 million with half suspended for 5 years.
a number of players will be suspended
We can only hope. If proven guilty this penalty should be absolute minimum
Can't see it happening. Big business is the EFC
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blobbo is running their PR campaign, that article
about Bambi this morning made me vomit in my Cornflakes.
Rumour going around is that if EFC is found guilty that there penalty may look something like this:
they will be stripped of all points for season 2013 and 2014
they will lose r1 r2 and r3 national draft choices in 2013 and 2014
they will be fined $2 million with half suspended for 5 years.
a number of players will be suspended
Source of this rumour Ramps?
If this rumour has legitimacy then good but of course they need to be found guilty and not some bs loophole of unawareness as Robbo was implying.
Bring it on but I am not celebrating until it is official.
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Blobbo makes me hope they get done. Any other club and he'd have nailed them to the wall by now. But no it's his own team so they are innocent. Gimme a stuffing break you useless fat prick. Always has that condescending tone to anyone who disagrees with him. Well guess what Robbo the fans of 17 other clubs disagree with you. Go back to getting trashed on the couch in your singlet and jocks you've worn the last 2 weeks without washing and don't forget to pick the melted cheese and crust crumbs from last weeks pizza out of your chest hair before next 360 episode. :angel:
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Blobbo makes me hope they get done. Any other club and he'd have nailed them to the wall by now. But no it's his own team so they are innocent. Gimme a stuffing break you useless fat prick. Always has that condescending tone to anyone who disagrees with him. Well guess what Robbo the fans of 17 other clubs disagree with you. Go back to getting trashed on the couch in your singlet and jocks you've worn the last 2 weeks without washing and don't forget to pick the melted cheese and crust crumbs from last weeks pizza out of your chest hair before next 360 episode. :angel:
Did you watch it I think was Tuesday after it was confirmed that AOD9604 was indeed banned? Blobbo was clutching at any straws. "Well why don't they give us names then!" Said Blobbo the Hut. Well Blobbo, they most likely do have names :shh
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My missus laughs at Blobbo whenever he gets fired up because he starts abusing Gerard and you can see Gerard lean back and separate himself from the spray, before promptly changing subjects :lol
Love watching Blobbo squirm over this topic.
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Pretty disappointed RFC weren't on the gear :banghead
falling behind the comp again :banghead :banghead
gale march and co need to go!
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what's the bet the six players they dump in it will be:
Henry Slattery (delisted)
Mark McVeigh (retired)
Angus Monfries (Port)
Sam Lonergan (RFC)
Kyle Riemers (delisted)
Brent Prismall (delisted)
everyone else was innocent gov ::)
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:lol
With Billy the boot studder the mastermind.
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Essendon Football Club has discovered in its records an invoice for the banned performance-enhancing supplement Hexarelin.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-find-bill-for-banned-drug-20130426-2ikou.html#ixzz2Rawx85sA
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Essendon Football Club has discovered in its records an invoice for the banned performance-enhancing supplement Hexarelin.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-find-bill-for-banned-drug-20130426-2ikou.html#ixzz2Rawx85sA
:lol bet they've known about it all along IMV
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Seriously should already have a penalty against them
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Essendon Football Club has discovered in its records an invoice for the banned performance-enhancing supplement Hexarelin.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-find-bill-for-banned-drug-20130426-2ikou.html#ixzz2Rawx85sA
Arghh the smoking gun :bow
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But apparently no one used it :lol
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But apparently no one used it :lol
Stuck the needle in but didn't inject - apparently got Clintons lawyers in to advise them
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But apparently no one used it :lol
Stuck the needle in but didn't inject - apparently got Clintons lawyers in to advise them
They better hope Heppell burnt his dress
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But apparently no one used it :lol
Stuck the needle in but didn't inject - apparently got Clintons lawyers in to advise them
They better hope Heppell burnt his dress
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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:bluesbros3. The use of AOD-9604, in accordance with the WADAcode, brings with it the standard two-year ban. Areading of the explanatory notes within the WADACode attached to rules 10.5.1 and 10.5.2 indicates thatplayers banned for administering AOD-9604 will havea very hard time getting their penalties overturned asthe notes specify the administration of a prohibitedsubstance by the athlete’s personal physician or trainerwithout disclosure to the athlete does not constitute anacceptable excuse to have a ban overturned
EMERGENCY OVERVIEW
Harmful if swallowed.
Potential Health Effects
The toxicological properties of this material have not been investigated. Use appropriate procedures to prevent opportunities
for direct contact with the skin or eyes and to prevent inhalation. Compound is Non-hazardous,Non-Toxic/Non-Flammable.
:bluesbros
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Apparently the Essendon internal review by Ziggy Switkowski is done and will be made public this week
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Internal review by a known Essendon sycophant in an attempt to add legitimacy to their pathetic excuse of poor governance as opposed to systematic doping
Good stuff Dons :thumbsup
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TAB.com.au have suspended betting.... :shh
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My TAB app is letting me place bets on AFL & Essendon :huh
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THE results of an external probe into "irregular practices" at Essendon has been delayed because of legal complications.
The report, being put together by former Telstra chief executive Dr Ziggy Switkowski and medical expert Dr Andrew Garnham, now won't be released until Monday. It was initially set to be presented on Wednesday.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/the-results-of-an-external-probe-into-essendons-supplements-program-hits-legal-snag/story-e6frf9l6-1226632566547
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probably due to the suspension of the investigation into cronulla where a player didnt answer questions because he may incriminate himself
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Internal review by a known Essendon sycophant in an attempt to add legitimacy to their pathetic excuse of poor governance as opposed to systematic doping
Good stuff Dons :thumbsup
Spot on Gerks.
Can we expect anything else from that pathetic club.
That Ziggy report is not worth the paper it's written on.
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Funny thing is afl will fall for it.
Actually that's not funny at all. :banghead
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Funny thing is afl will fall for it.
Actually that's not funny at all. :banghead
Yep not funny. Haha
Wish there was a betting market for a 6 month ban starting in October or the players named a group of spuds.
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The 'Weapon' hasn't even been interviewed by Ziggy ....
Legal risk keeps Dons' probe sealed
Caroline Wilson
The Age
May 1, 2013
A legal threat from the high-performance coach stood down by Essendon in February has delayed the release of the internal probe into the club's supplements scandal.
Dean Robinson has launched a legal challenge against the release of the Ziggy Switkowski report on the basis that any public findings or recommendations could deny him natural justice.
It has emerged that Robinson, stood down on February 5 by Essendon's football boss, Danny Corcoran, has not been interviewed by Switkowski or his investigators over his role in the so-called ''irregular practices'' that took place at the club during 2012.
Robinson and Essendon remained at odds late on Tuesday over the sensitive issue of whether Robinson had been medically fit to undergo any form of interrogation by Switkowski or his team.
Initially, the former Geelong, Gold Coast and Essendon fitness coach was unwilling to meet the club's lawyers because his health reportedly had suffered as a result of the scandal, with Essendon players still facing suspension if found guilty of taking banned substances.
It remained unclear on Tuesday night whether Switkowski had attempted more recently to interview Robinson. Neither Essendon chairman David Evans nor Robinson's lawyer, David Galbally, QC, would clarify the standoff.
Evans released a statement through the club that said: ''The club cannot discuss the report until the recommendations are made public, which we look forward to doing as soon as possible.''
Galbally refused to comment.
It is understood that Essendon was attempting to interview Robinson following the legal challenge, but on Tuesday night the two parties remained in a standoff over the state of the inquiry, which reportedly has been completed.
Switkowski's key findings and recommendations were due to be released on Wednesday, but the Bombers have postponed that for at least 24 hours and could be forced to wait until next week before making any public announcements.
While Essendon reportedly has told the AFL it believed Robinson was refusing to be interviewed on the basis he was medically unfit, the high-performance coach was questioned weeks ago by Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigators and the AFL's Abraham Haddad.
The ASADA interviews were spread over three days and under certain conditions for medical reasons.
Robinson was less than halfway through a lucrative three-year contract, estimated to be worth about $1 million, when the club stood him down on the day it announced it was reporting itself to the AFL and ASADA.
While Robinson has connections to sports scientist Stephen Dank, the reasons for his departure have not been made clear by the club. He remains on full pay and it is not known whether he plans to take legal action against the Bombers or whether the club intends to settle his contract.
Robinson has spoken publicly only once - to the Seven Network last month. In a brief interview at Galbally's book launch, Robinson said the ordeal had had a detrimental effect on his health.
While key club officials are likely to face sanctions as a result of the Switkowski findings, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said last week the league would not act to punish the club until the ASADA investigation was complete.
While Essendon and the players' union remain optimistic players will not be suspended, the club could be hit with a variety of sanctions, including the loss of premiership points.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/legal-risk-keeps-dons-probe-sealed-20130430-2ir5k.html#ixzz2Rx5VLTgf
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Might want to check out the HUN
Dons are stuffed
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Yep pretty much so gerks :yep
Dossier reveals full drugs program at Essendon
Michael Warner, Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
May 01, 2013
SOME Essendon players were prescribed weekly injections of the banned anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 for all of last season.
The Herald Sun can also reveal they were regularly injected with thymosin, another substance banned by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/dosier-reveals-full-drugs-program-at-essendon/story-e6frf9l6-1226632641488
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ESSENDON will ask the Australian Federal Police to investigate the legitimacy of a letter at the centre of footy's doping probe.
The Bombers have been told the alleged letter, purportedly from the World Anti-Doping Agency to former sports scientist Stephen Dank, did not come from the agency.
WADA also confirmed to the Herald Sun yesterday in an email that it did not give permission to Dank to use the anti-obesity drug AOD 9604.
The Bombers believe they may have been duped into using the banned drug, and will seek legal advice in a bid to clear their players of doping sanctions.
But the Bombers concede their players have taken banned drugs. "We will be exploring all our options," a Bombers figure said yesterday.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendon-want-afp-investigation-into-legitmacy-of-letter-at-centre-of-footys-doping-scandal/story-e6frf9jf-1226632636028
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What next for Essendon?
Peter Brukner
April 30, 2013 - 9:47PM
A six-month suspension is likely to be the best-case scenario for any Essendon player who has used a banned substance.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/what-next-for-essendon-20130430-2ir7k.html#ixzz2RyKSZErS
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Wish there was a betting market for a 6 month ban starting in October or the players named a group of spuds.
I'll go along with your theory of them being banned from Oct for a minute. It will actually stuff them for 2014 anyway. Why? Because they wont be allowed to train at the club, go near the club. So without a proper pre-season the season is most likely goneskis before it begins.
And now the Bombers are saying they were "tricked"
Give me a break
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They might as well get ZIGGY STARDUST to write a report for all the good it will do. The longer this drags on and on, with Essendon winning :chuck and the media kissing their collective ring, the more I fear they are going to get off scot free.
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As ad don't give a flying fox if they winning :cheers :cheers
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Funny thing is afl will fall for it.
Actually that's not funny at all. :banghead
The moronic AFL might but the drug agency won't.
Blind Freddy can see any internal investigation is dodgy and not worth squat.
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Mark McVeigh complete imbecile .
stated that Riemers didnt turn up for pre season
Well, how did he get a game Mark and was kept on the list for many years,please Mark
Also Injected Vit C ,
Nurse rang up 5 mins later and said,you dont inject Vit C, its taken orally
Let's recap.
It was vitamin c and reimers.fault.
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Might want to check out the HUN
Dons are stuffed
Couldn't happen to a better club :clapping
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The moronic AFL might but the drug agency won't.
Blind Freddy can see any internal investigation is dodgy and not worth squat.
I think from memory that their internal investigation is centred around the club's governance, management and role in the whole episode rather than establishing innocence or guilt of the players so I don't think it will impact on any ASADA suspensions but it might have an influence in any AFL suspensions for the club bringing the game into disrepute. Similar to what Adelaide did by penalising itself before the AFL handed down any verdict or penalties, thereby reducing the potential impact of the AFL penalty.
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Mark McVeigh complete imbecile .
stated that Riemers didnt turn up for pre season
Well, how did he get a game Mark and was kept on the list for many years,please Mark
Also Injected Vit C ,
Nurse rang up 5 mins later and said,you dont inject Vit C, its taken orally
Let's recap.
It was vitamin c and reimers.fault.
And you know Reimers will cop the biggest ban - will be a scapegoat IMHO
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Bomber blitz lost the plot.
I pray the result will be 2 years bans to the players merely for the reaction.
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its funny if Bambi and his mob were getting towelled
on the field the Veruca Salts would be demanding heads to roll.
because they are winning they think Bambi hasn't done
anything wrong.
err derelict of duty is a start.
my gut feeling is the Fuhrer and the Gestapo will
go soft.
Ziggys report is a whitewash as to be expected from
one of their own.
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Ziggys report is a whitewash as to be expected from
one of their own.
Ziggy's report will have no bearing on the ASADA investigation
All his investigation is about is to enable the Bummers to say "we were proavtive once we knew what had happened"
I still believe ASADA will whack them,
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blobbo is running their PR campaign, that article
about Bambi this morning made me vomit in my Cornflakes.
Rumour going around is that if EFC is found guilty that there penalty may look something like this:
they will be stripped of all points for season 2013 and 2014
they will lose r1 r2 and r3 national draft choices in 2013 and 2014
they will be fined $2 million with half suspended for 5 years.
a number of players will be suspended
This rumour may have something to it. Things not looking good for Essendon. They are in a world of trouble. Penalties could even be worse than those above.
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Some bomber supporters supporters are dillusional and still defend their club.
The only reason the club, supporter or sponsors are defending this negligent behavior is because James Tird. Nothing else
If it was Matty knights he wouldve been hung out to dry. I will raise a glass of moet when the verdict is delivered as i'm sure Knighter will.
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James personality cult has gone past Mao.
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Ziggys report is a whitewash as to be expected from
one of their own.
Ziggy's report will have no bearing on the ASADA investigation
All his investigation is about is to enable the Bummers to say "we were proavtive once we knew what had happened"
I still believe ASADA will whack them,
as they should WP, I wonder if the Fuhrer will want to give them
a whack also for bringing the game into disrepute or just allow ASADA
deal with them.
as for this letter, one signed copy please they are scrambling I reckon.
They are not running best practices at Tullamarine and this should not go
unpunished.
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Ch 7 news had Dank claiming he had a copy of the email saying he had permission from WADA which he'll show in court. However the rep. from WADA said they wouldn't have given such permission.
Dank also mocked Essendon saying that 12 weeks ago they were denying any injecting process had occurred and now they are claiming it did occur but they were tricked.
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I'm not sure this has been brought up before but the extractor and coach might be taking Charlie home after all.
Surely if Watson is one of them he will have the brownlow stripped off him?
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ESSENDON has moved to deny reports that it conceded its players were administered with banned substances last year.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-01/dons-deny-drug-concession
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ESSENDON has moved to deny reports that it conceded its players were administered with banned substances last year.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-01/dons-deny-drug-concession
::) please, more twists and turns than a goat trail up a windy tibetan moutain :shh
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ESSENDON has moved to deny reports that it conceded its players were administered with banned substances last year.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-01/dons-deny-drug-concession
::) please, more twists and turns than a goat trail up windy tibetan moutain hill :shh
EFA :shh
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Biochemist Shane Charter plans to detail alleged peptides regimen at Essendon
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/biochemist-shane-charter-plans-to-detail-alleged-peptides-regimen-at-essendon/story-e6frf9jf-1226633445417
and
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/biochemist-to-tell-all-on-peptides-20130501-2itcq.html
ESSENDON captain Jobe Watson could keep his Brownlow Medal at the discretion of an AFL tribunal, even if he was found guilty of taking a banned substance.
And Bombers players could serve six-month bans without missing a single match under guidelines stipulated in the World Anti-Doping Agency code.
If Watson was found guilty of using the banned anti-obesity drug AOD-9604, but successfully argued for a reduction of the standard two-year ban, additional penalties would be at the discretion of a specially convened AFL tribunal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-captain-jobe-watson-could-keep-his-brownlow-medal/story-e6frf9l6-1226633411643
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Two Carlton Football Club officials participated in a secret spying operation targeting the chemist who supplied Essendon's controversial supplement program.
The two officials from the Blues' high-performance unit secretly recorded South Yarra chemist Nima Alavi - with one of the Carlton officials wearing a hidden wire - after Carlton was badly defeated by the Bombers early last season.
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In other developments related to the doping scandal, Fairfax Media has learnt further details about a 2012 invoice that was discovered at Essendon and that lists the drug Hexarelin, which is a human-growth-hormone-releasing peptide banned by doping authorities since 2004. Fairfax Media reported on Saturday that Essendon had recently discovered the invoice, which has been handed to the AFL and doping investigators.
The Hexarelin invoice was sent to the club by Mr Alavi during the 2012 season and paid for by the club. Some time later, Mr Dank alerted the club that he had not ordered the Hexarelin listed on the invoice. After the mistake was discovered, Mr Alavi refunded the Hexarelin payment in the form of a credit that the club could use to buy other supplements.
The details around the invoice have positive and negative consequences for the Bombers. Although they confirm Mr Dank's public statement that he never used HGH-releasing peptides on players, they suggest the club's internal governance may have been so lax as to allow a banned drug to be paid for with few or no questions asked.
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In 2012, Mr Dank and Essendon fitness coach Dean Robinson also produced forms for the players to sign that stated that AOD9604 was WADA-compliant. Last month, WADA specifically banned AOD9604 under rule S0.
Efforts to penalise Bombers' players for using AOD9604 are likely to face legal challenges because the players were assured that it was WADA-compliant and no senior Essendon staff thought to get a second opinion.
The drug is also approved for cosmetic use in Australia and may be used in some circumstances if obtained through a compounding chemist.
Sources aware of the efforts by some at Essendon to claim that they were duped by Mr Dank into using AOD9604 have said that although he presented what appeared to be a definitive and persuasive case that the drug was not banned, senior Bomber officials should still have conducted their own due diligence before exposing their players to potentially banned or harmful supplements.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-pair-secretly-taped-chemist-20130501-2itgt.html#ixzz2S3UT2rQo
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:sleep
You would reckon if they were suspended while the investigation was on going then this would all be wrapped up quick smart.
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So move and Essen Don get done yet he keeps medal and players are banned when there isn't games on.
Gee that'd be a fai outcome.
Biochemist Shane Charter plans to detail alleged peptides regimen at Essendon
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/biochemist-shane-charter-plans-to-detail-alleged-peptides-regimen-at-essendon/story-e6frf9jf-1226633445417
and
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/biochemist-to-tell-all-on-peptides-20130501-2itcq.html
ESSENDON captain Jobe Watson could keep his Brownlow Medal at the discretion of an AFL tribunal, even if he was found guilty of taking a banned substance.
And Bombers players could serve six-month bans without missing a single match under guidelines stipulated in the World Anti-Doping Agency code.
If Watson was found guilty of using the banned anti-obesity drug AOD-9604, but successfully argued for a reduction of the standard two-year ban, additional penalties would be at the discretion of a specially convened AFL tribunal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-captain-jobe-watson-could-keep-his-brownlow-medal/story-e6frf9l6-1226633411643
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Yep last night they were saying on radio that the penalties at this stage are more likely to be club sanctions rather than player sanctions such as premiership points, and draft participation.
For what that is worth. :help
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Ch 7 news tonight said KIA has/had threatened to pull their major sponsorship with the Bombers but apparently Demetriou has stepped in to "save the day".
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crock >:(
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Ch 7 news tonight said KIA has/had threatened to pull their major sponsorship with the Bombers but apparently Demetriou has stepped in to "save the day".
If that is true it is an utter disgrace
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According to Barrett, the 'Weapon' is going to take out an injunction preventing the Ziggy report being released. So the Ziggy report is likely to be delayed long-term from being made public and may not be released until after the final ASADA findings are made public later on in the year.
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Ch 7 news tonight said KIA has/had threatened to pull their major sponsorship with the Bombers but apparently Demetriou has stepped in to "save the day".
If that is true it is an utter disgrace
Apparently Demetriou confirmed it's true himself WP ...
Demetriou calls Essendon sponsor
Jake Niall
The Age
May 3, 2013
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou phoned Essendon's major sponsor Kia to support the club in the wake of the supplements scandal.
Demetriou confirmed he had phoned the head of Kia's Australian operations, Charlie Kim, to give the company the ''code perspective'' and assure it that the Bombers were co-operating with the investigation and were being fully transparent.
Demetriou said he informed Kia that the Dons were ''co-operating in every way they can, that they're not hiding anything.''
''It's always good hearing the code's view,'' said Demetriou, who said he had ''taken it upon myself'' to call the company and give the league's position.
Demetriou contacted Kia some weeks ago, after the club announced it had gone to the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority over concerns that it might have used substances that were not compliant with World Anti-Doping Agency rules.
Demetriou was in a conversation with Essendon chairman David Evans when he volunteered to make contact with Kia, which signed a five-year deal to be the Bombers' major sponsor late in 2011.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetriou-calls-essendon-sponsor-20130502-2ivz2.html#ixzz2S9EtJBPQ
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Former Olympic coach Nic Bideau says drug effects would linger if Essendon took them
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
May 03, 2013
ESSENDON would still be enjoying the benefits of performance-enhancing drugs if players did take illegal supplements last season, according to a leading athletics expert.
Nic Bideau, who managed Olympian Cathy Freeman and coached Craig Mottram, says he has no doubt there would be residual benefits.
Bideau told the Herald Sun any use of illegal drugs would improve muscle strength, which could stay with players.
"If you have a really good training year, it helps you forever or until you start to decline," Bideau said.
"It is building a base layer upon layer upon layer. It's like pages in a phone book.
"It is foundation you are trying to build. It takes people two or three years to become a fit league footballer, and if you add another layer on, it has to help."
The medical and sports science industries are divided on any long-lasting benefits to Essendon.
Former St Kilda doctor Rohan White yesterday said many peptides and supplements were fast-acting and quickly flushed from the system.
The AFL Medical Officers Association associate would not comment on Essendon's players, but said many supplements had only short-term benefits.
"If any club or player used supplements last year it would be a pretty long bow to draw to say they were still helping. Many supplements would be excreted from the system quite quickly and the benefits would be very short-term," White said.
But one AFL sports science expert, speaking on condition of anonymity, said any illegal substance used at any time had to have future benefits.
"If anyone is taking performance-enhancing drugs, the benefits of that are cumulative. You have been able to train at a higher level and the drug might be out of your system, but the training effect is still there," he said.
"It increases muscle bulk and muscle strength and muscle endurance, and you push on from there.
"It would be naive to think it wouldn't have a performance benefit a year on."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/former-olympic-coach-nic-bideau-says-drug-effects-would-linger-if-essendon-took-them/story-e6frf9l6-1226634210537
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The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has moved to shoot down Stephen Dank's claim that he had its permission to use a banned substance.
The body has released what it says is a series of email exchanges with the controversial sports scientist regarding the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wada-emails-appear-to-debunk-dank-claims-on-antiobesity-drug-20130502-2iw37.html#ixzz2S9HUObnP
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/tea...sendon-took-them/story-e6frf9l6-1226634210537
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watch the bombers dope up, up!
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How are they not gone yet? You've got 3 weeks WADA or feel my wrath. :shh
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I'm beginning to think Andy D might have to go as well.
Bitter rivals behind Bombers drug claims: Demetriou
AFL chief Andrew Demetriou has taken aim at clubs he claims are spreading "scurrilous innuendo" about Essendon's unbeaten record in 2013 amid the ongoing ASADA investigation into the Bombers.
Essendon is on top of the ladder after five rounds of the season - the club has won every game despite ongoing speculation about the nature of the Bombers' supplements program last season.
Demetriou told 3AW radio in Melbourne that the running commentary on developments in the ASADA investigation at Essendon was being driven to some extent from within the league.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-03/demetriou-warns-clubs-to-stop-spreading-rumours-about-bombers/4667822
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Send out the SS
Adof, Andy.
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I'm beginning to think Andy D might have to go as well.
Bitter rivals behind Bombers drug claims: Demetriou
AFL chief Andrew Demetriou has taken aim at clubs he claims are spreading "scurrilous innuendo" about Essendon's unbeaten record in 2013 amid the ongoing ASADA investigation into the Bombers.
Essendon is on top of the ladder after five rounds of the season - the club has won every game despite ongoing speculation about the nature of the Bombers' supplements program last season.
Demetriou told 3AW radio in Melbourne that the running commentary on developments in the ASADA investigation at Essendon was being driven to some extent from within the league.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-03/demetriou-warns-clubs-to-stop-spreading-rumours-about-bombers/4667822
Maybe folks are "bitter" Andy D, because the see they Bombers aren't being punished for at the very least blatant stupidy or moving along to the harsher "cheating by using banned PED's". You are making them out to be victoms here, they're not :banghead
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apparently the most professional sporting code
in the country run like some country league.
these other clubs are getting agitated and for good reason
as they can see a team unbeaten sitting pretty playing
under the influence from pepmeups from last year.
the Fuhrer and the Gestapo are playing everyone for fools
or think they are, for something that was the "darkest day in Oz sport"
its definitely dragging its feet in sorting this mess out.
The AFL need to show some gonads here and make the EFC an example of
regardless of ASADA's findings, as they were derelict in their duty of care
in regards to player welfare, it doesn't wash that they are making out they
were duped by some dodgy doctor, as a professional club they should
be showing best practices which they haven't at any stage.
im fearful that this mob will be hit with a wet lettuce leaf by the Fuhrer, my only hope is that
ASADA do the right thing and punish them but the longer it goes im not so confident.
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apparently the most professional sporting code
in the country run like some country league.
these other clubs are getting agitated and for good reason
as they can see a team unbeaten sitting pretty playing
under the influence from pepmeups from last year.
the Fuhrer and the Gestapo are playing everyone for fools
or think they are, for something that was the "darkest day in Oz sport"
its definitely dragging its feet in sorting this mess out.
The AFL need to show some gonads here and make the EFC an example of
regardless of ASADA's findings, as they were derelict in their duty of care
in regards to player welfare, it doesn't wash that they are making out they
were duped by some dodgy doctor, as a professional club they should
be showing best practices which they haven't at any stage.
im fearful that this mob will be hit with a wet lettuce leaf by the Fuhrer, my only hope is that
ASADA do the right thing and punish them but the longer it goes im not so confident.
Yep spot on WP and Roger
I can see a Melbourne type of punishment and the only fall out guy will be Robson while Turd and Evans get off scot free
Honestly I can understand why people are fed up with the way this sport is run. It's the most disgraceful I've ever seen since I can remember watching a bunch of cheats take 4 points away from hardworking clubs, week after week.
The only positive thing is we play them in Rd 23, a week before finals so with any luck they are found guilty and we get the 4 points.
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i doubt the club will be banned.
at worst it will like the storm where they dont play for points.
i cant remember if their opponents just got the points or still had to win to get the points
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i doubt the club will be banned.
at worst it will like the storm where they dont play for points.
i cant remember if their opponents just got the points or still had to win to get the points
My understanding is under the world drug governing body rules the players have to be banned, to the extent of at least six months.
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im talking about the club, not the individual players.
but on the players, we have what you posted earlier;
:bluesbros3. The use of AOD-9604, in accordance with the WADAcode, brings with it the standard two-year ban. Areading of the explanatory notes within the WADACode attached to rules 10.5.1 and 10.5.2 indicates thatplayers banned for administering AOD-9604 will havea very hard time getting their penalties overturned asthe notes specify the administration of a prohibitedsubstance by the athlete’s personal physician or trainerwithout disclosure to the athlete does not constitute anacceptable excuse to have a ban overturned
but to counter that;
WADA's rule 10.5.1 discusses the principle of "no fault or negligence", and is based on athletes proving they did not know what they were being given by sports scientists or doctors.
If an athlete can prove "in an individual case that he or she bears no fault or negligence, the otherwise applicable period of ineligibility shall be eliminated".
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=17263.msg363852#msg363852
so who knows?
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i doubt the club will be banned.
at worst it will like the storm where they dont play for points.
i cant remember if their opponents just got the points or still had to win to get the points
Still had to win to get points.
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I'm beginning to think Andy D might have to go as well.
He's lost the plot as much as Giesch has.
This Andy D who off his own back goes out of his way to save Essendon's major sponsorship in the face of alleged doping accusations within their club is IIRC the same Andy D that stepped in and stopped Skoda sponsoring us a couple of years ago so newbies GWS could have them instead. He also stepped in to give North the deal to play games in Hobart when it was originally Benny Gale's idea for us to do it. There's no accountability or proper corporate governance at AFL HQ anymore. Hey let's just let them make it up as we go along and play favourites when it suits the AFL hierarchy :scream.
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Maybe folks are "bitter" Andy D, because the see they Bombers aren't being punished for at the very least blatant stupidy or moving along to the harsher "cheating by using banned PED's". You are making them out to be victoms here, they're not :banghead
apparently the most professional sporting code
in the country run like some country league.
these other clubs are getting agitated and for good reason
as they can see a team unbeaten sitting pretty playing
under the influence from pepmeups from last year.
the Fuhrer and the Gestapo are playing everyone for fools
or think they are, for something that was the "darkest day in Oz sport"
its definitely dragging its feet in sorting this mess out.
The AFL need to show some gonads here and make the EFC an example of
regardless of ASADA's findings, as they were derelict in their duty of care
in regards to player welfare, it doesn't wash that they are making out they
were duped by some dodgy doctor, as a professional club they should
be showing best practices which they haven't at any stage.
im fearful that this mob will be hit with a wet lettuce leaf by the Fuhrer, my only hope is that
ASADA do the right thing and punish them but the longer it goes im not so confident.
Well said WP and roger :clapping
Other clubs aren't believing the crap coming out of Windy Hill because Essendon's version of what happened and its excuses from Bomber sycophants keeps on changing ::). We've gone from McVeigh saying at the start "it was only vitamin B & C injections" :wallywink and Reimers is just a bitter ex-player to now their Prez Evans saying they're "not conceding banned substances were given to our players" while on the other hand claiming they were duped by Dank. It would be a disgrace if Essendon are let off the hook over this when you remember Travis Casserley was banned for two years for taking just two Sudafed tablets for hay fever. If ASADA are consistent then Essendon and its players and officials involved should be facing similar harsh penalties.
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The Ziggy Switkowski report into the irregular practices at Essendon will be released on Monday following the withdrawal of a legal challenge from Dean Robinson.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/report-out-on-monday-20130503-2iyih.html#ixzz2SGAg5ReC
STEPHEN Dank, Essendon's former sports scientist, ordered a banned peptide in quantities sufficient to treat a team of AFL players, according to a former associate.
Records of Mr Dank's purchasing process reveal he sourced the peptide Thymosin beta 4 from Melbourne biochemist Shane Charter while working for Essendon.
Mr Charter will tell ASADA that Mr Dank had ordered enough Thymosin beta 4 to treat a squad of 30 players with regular weekly injections.
"It was enough for an entire squad," he said.
It is not known if it was used on athletes.
Ballarat University's Dr Stephen Brown, who co-wrote a paper about Thymosin beta 4 and sport that was published in February in the authoritative Journal of Sports Science, said the substance was commonly used on racehorses.
"I'm shocked that it would be given to humans, because there's no evidence to show that it's beneficial. So why inject it and, if you do, what are the risks?" he said.
"Who knows what nasty genes it could turn on down the track?"
"There isn't enough evidence to support giving it as a drug for a horse."
Read full article here: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/shane-charter-opens-up-on-former-essendon-sports-scientist-stephen-dank/story-fnelctok-1226634945498
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Andy is the biggest problem with our sport today.
In his time he has overseen tanking or not tanking, drugs in sport, doping in sport.
All of these things have happened under his watch and IMO he should step down.
He decides to take a break in the middle of the tanking issue. Good to see its a major concern for him.
He doesn't care for the game lets be honest, he cares for his pocket and changing the game we have known all our lives.
Siding now with a club who has virtually admitted they have taken a banned substance is the last straw for me. He himself was not making running commentary but now seems to be taking sides.
A 6 month ban doesn't cut it with me and would be an absolute win for that disgraceful football club.
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One piece of the Adolph :cuddles Bummers mystery solved today. Vision at quarter time of him in the crowd with his young children - youngest son had a Bummers scarf on!
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i was living in the USA when the HGH drugs in baseball story hit the news. The media was keen to print before and after photos of baseballers. I recall one pair of photos of Barry Bonds, which looked a lot like two different people. Has any of the media in Melbourne printed any before and after shots of the Bombers? Or are they too afraid of legal action? Or afraid of the AFL?
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Ive supported Andrew Demetriou in the past but he cant continue in his job. The AFL commission should terminate his employment contract and get in a new CEO.
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Essendon's problem doesn't exist: Dank
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendons-problem-doesnt-exist-dank-20130504-2izzw.html
The AFL has made contact with Stephen Dank in an attempt to persuade the sports scientist to talk to it as part of the investigation into Essendon.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-contacts-dank-to-get-him-talking-20130504-2j06l.html#ixzz2SMZolotN
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Watson reckons the internal review will lead to no sackings.
Read More : http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/no-sackings-for-bombers-watson-20130505-2j0wv.html
What a total wank. The AFL won't drop the bomb on them then ASADA has to. 6 months the lot of them
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Watson reckons the internal review will lead to no sackings.
Read More : http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/no-sackings-for-bombers-watson-20130505-2j0wv.html
What a total wank. The AFL won't drop the bomb on them then ASADA has to. 6 months the lot of them
Ziggy's report is an internal report, means nothing
The only reports that matter are the AFL (have they got the guts to punish) and ASADA who will have the guts. Just a bugger ASADAs is going to take so long
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Watson reckons the internal review will lead to no sackings.
Read More : http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/no-sackings-for-bombers-watson-20130505-2j0wv.html
What a total wank. The AFL won't drop the bomb on them then ASADA has to. 6 months the lot of them
Ziggy's report is an internal report, means nothing
The only reports that matter are the AFL (have they got the guts to punish) and ASADA who will have the guts. Just a bugger ASADAs is going to take so long
Not really.
I am more than happy for Essendon to win 20 stright or be in the 2nd week of finals and then be given instant 2 year bans.
Lance Armstrong strong to come give speeches in regards to making a change. for the better down the Tulla.
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Lance Armstrong strong to come give speeches in regards to making a change. for the better down the Tulla.
Huh? :huh
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lol smokey I thought the same......but just put it down as the end of a big weekend
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Watson reckons the internal review will lead to no sackings.
Read More : http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/no-sackings-for-bombers-watson-20130505-2j0wv.html
What a total wank. The AFL won't drop the bomb on them then ASADA has to. 6 months the lot of them
6 months would be way to soft!
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Watson reckons the internal review will lead to no sackings.
Read More : http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/no-sackings-for-bombers-watson-20130505-2j0wv.html
What a total wank. The AFL won't drop the bomb on them then ASADA has to. 6 months the lot of them
Ziggy's report is an internal report, means nothing
The only reports that matter are the AFL (have they got the guts to punish) and ASADA who will have the guts. Just a bugger ASADAs is going to take so long
Agree about Ziggys report, about governance as everyone is telling us.
But who is in charge of this governance?
Should these people in charge of governance be held responsible for not
Implementing good governance.
I'm getting confused as it seems to me no one wants to accept responsibility
For the lack of governance that hasn't been implemented at the EFC.
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Ziggy Switkowski expects the key findings of his investigation into "irregular practices" at Essendon to be made public today.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-waits-on-details-of-investigation-into-irregular-practices/story-e6frf9l6-1226635582458
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Essendon press conference at 12.25pm
Tony Jones from Ch 9 says it's going to be a fizzer. Someone at Essendon will get a slap on the wrist at best.
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In the very least the fans aren't stupid and the Bummers will forever be known as drug cheats
hope it was worth it
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Essendon investigating themselves is on par with cardinals investigating the Catholic Church.
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Essendon investigating themselves is on par with cardinals investigating the Catholic Church.
Or Vossy giving himself a contract extension a couple years back :lol
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In the very least the fans aren't stupid and the Bummers will forever be known as drug cheats
hope it was worth it
Wished we had cheated the salary cap, tanked for picks and administered PEDs now knowing a slap on the wrist is all you cop.
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Essendon investigating themselves is on par with cardinals investigating the Catholic Church.
Or Vossy giving himself a contract extension a couple years back :lol
:lol
Probably wakes up and says "g'day Vossy" into the mirror every day.
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In the very least the fans aren't stupid and the Bummers will forever be known as drug cheats
hope it was worth it
Wished we had cheated the salary cap, tanked for picks and administered PEDs now knowing a slap on the wrist is all you cop.
yep if true what a joke this comp has become.
Writing was on the wall when dimwit was out in full voice supporting the drug cheats in public, and his family out with bomber scarfs at their recent match.
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From the Media conference:
Evans: "The full report will stay confidential."
Evans: "The supplements given to our players are still a matter for ASADA and the AFL"
Evans: "I want to remind everyone our players have not yet been interviewed and we are still in the hands of ASADA."
From the report: "But a number of management processes normally associated with good governance failed during this period, and as a result, suspicions and concerns have arisen about the EFC.
In particular the rapid diversification into exotic supplements, sharp increase in frequency of injections, the shift to treatment offsite in alternative medicine clinics, emergence of unfamiliar suppliers, marginalization of traditional medical staff etc combine to create a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented within the Club in the period under review."
From report: "The EFC has been damaged, but not broken. The improvements in governance are straightforward, the Club has moved quickly, and some changes have already been implemented."
Evans: "The board will be considering the findings in the report"
Evams: "I'm deeply sorry this has happened on my watch as chairman."
Evans about to take questions
Evans: "There is still things to come out in the ASADA investigation about what happened in 2012. The escalation of bad news needs to go up the chain."
Evans: "Actions and change will occur...when we have all the facts."
Evans: "The buck does stop with me, I will go to an election at the earliest possible time - in Nov of this year."
Evans :"We have a good idea of the supplements that have been taken by our players, but I don't think it is fair to talk about until the players have been interviewed.:"
Will rephrase - the part of the report and the recommendations which have been made public
Evams: "We are more and more confident there was nothing banned that was given to our players."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-waits-on-details-of-investigation-into-irregular-practices/story-e6frf9l6-1226635582458
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Full text of the publicly released Ziggy Switkowski report after his review of governance at Essendon FC
From: News Limited Network
May 06, 2013 12:40PM
THE full text of the publicly released version of Ziggy Switkowski's report after a review of governance at the Essendon Football Club:
INTRODUCTION
The review of the Essendon Football Club (EFC) governance processes covers the period from August 2011 until the present time. It seems likely that the approach to player conditioning, specifically the fitness strategy and use of supplements, varied sharply from prior practices from the start of this period.
At the request of the chairman of the Board, my work began around March 5th, 2013 and has involved interviews with EFC staff, board members and three current players (selected from the Players Leadership Group) and has extended to include parties outside the Club as well.
The work is inevitably constrained, in this case primarily by two factors.
Firstly, there is a parallel review underway led by the AFL and ASADA into the nature of supplements administered by the EFC during this period, and their compliance or otherwise with various anti doping codes. This was a no-go area for this report. Questions about the pharmacology of certain supplements, their possible performance affecting properties, compliance or otherwise with anti doping codes etc are issues for the AFL and ASADA investigations, which still have some way to go. This review and report needed to be conducted in a manner careful not to inadvertently compromise their work.
Secondly, a number of individuals key to a full analysis of this period, have been unavailable for interview.
As well, performance enhancing and image enhancing drugs, their delivery processes, and legitimacy for elite sportspeople, fall well outside my expertise. The Club has invited Dr. Andrew Garnham to advise on this issue.
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The period of interest begins with the recruitment of new personnel and leaders for the High Performance team at the end of the 2011 season. This new group of experts in player strength and conditioning was given considerable space within which to operate and found little early resistance to their sometimes unconventional ideas.
The arrival of confident, opinionated staff was not accompanied by a simultaneous strengthening of the processes within Football Operations, or by extra vigilance by senior management.
Their mission was to increase strength of players primarily through a revised weights program. This quickly morphed into a larger effort involving allegedly leading practices in sports medicine. This fitness strategy was appropriately bounded by instructions that all practices be compliant with the relevant codes.
However, the supplement plan, if one existed, evolved and probably never reached a coherent, consistent shape. Innovative supplement practices and compounds soon appeared - somewhat predictably given the mandate of the High Performance team. The leaders of the program insist their methods were always legal and compliant, and that conviction prevailed and still prevails within the football department.
But a number of management processes normally associated with good governance failed during this period, and as a result, suspicions and concerns have arisen about the EFC.
In particular the rapid diversification into exotic supplements, sharp increase in frequency of injections, the shift to treatment offsite in alternative medicine clinics, emergence of unfamiliar suppliers, marginalization of traditional medical staff etc combine to create a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented within the Club in the period under review.
Compliance rules existed but normal controls during an abnormal period were insufficient to check the behaviours of some people who may have contravened accepted procedures, and the CEO and the board were not informed.
This Review looked at the relevant management processes and tried to reconcile certain decisions with the scenarios which unfolded into 2012, and has suggested remedies. Twelve recommendations are made to strengthen management and board processes in the aftermath of these events.
The EFC has been damaged, but not broken. The improvements in governance are straightforward, the Club has moved quickly, and some changes have already been implemented.
KEY FINDINGS
1. Football clubs are changing and growing
Football clubs have grown in sophistication and size over the past two decades.
Where an AFL football department may have had 5 personnel 20 years ago (coach, trainer, physio..) and perhaps 10 around 2000, today's AFL club may employ 30-40 people on the football side of the organization. This requires formal structures and delegated powers, processes and controls and, depending upon the head coach's approach, may limit his close oversight of all matters to do with football.
The organization of most clubs is often divided into a commercial arm and a football operations arm with each head generally reporting to the chief executive officer, who in turn reports to the board. The head coach may report directly to the CEO, or to the Head of Football Operations depending on the club.
The EFC employs 75 people full time across all its functions and another 35 in part time roles. Annual revenues, and costs, surpass $50 million, and some clubs are considerably bigger.
Sports scientists have gained influence at most clubs which continue to seek those small advantages that might win games. Where it works well, these professionals partner with the medical staff to develop bespoke programs for each player, and rarely consider use of unconventional supplements or treatments.
There is a place for injections in the management of a number of conditions that might affect today's player, but a sharp escalation in their frequency across a playing group is noteworthy in every case.
This emerges as a consideration in the EFC of 2012.
2. Significant staff changes in a period of transition and growth led to risk
There has been high staff turnover over the last 4 years.
In its organisational rebuilding post the Sheedy era, of the top 20 executives at EFC only one had been there continuously for longer than 4 years by March 1st, 2012. High staff turnover often accompanies changes in coaches, CEOs and strategy but brings with it some risk.
Following the 2011 season, considerable changes occurred in the football department, especially in the High Performance Fitness team.
The High Performance Fitness team grew to 7 staff in early 2012. A sports scientist joined this team as a contractor, and his role initially focused on nutrition, oversight of GPS results and input to players fitness strategies. Both the head of the Performance Unit and the sports scientist appeared to have credible qualifications in the sports science field and long periods of relevant experience in elite sport.
Under this new team, a dramatic change in practices occurred.
3. Failures in Structure and Accountability
As a general observation, the commercial arm of the EFC is run professionally, with well-developed processes and good discipline. Budget management, project control, HR processes, record keeping, membership and community relations etc are consistent with good business practices except in that they seem not to extend to the football department. Who was accountable for what is difficult to ascertain.
In the period under review, a number of management processes broke down, failed or were short- circuited.
Problems occurred in:
• Selection and Recruitment processes
• Induction processes
• Management of contractors
• Hierarchy and decision making in the Football Department
• Administration
In particular, there was a lack of clarity about who was in charge of the Football Department. There were two separate roles, with fuzzy lines of responsibility. The responsibilities of two key staff overlapped, and the new fitness team was able to largely ignore their attempts at direct management. Added to this is a senior coach in his first coaching role.
4. Cost of success and failure of risk management
The Football Department set a course of pushing to the legal limits, but clear instructions were given to not cross the line and to stay within the WADA and ASADA codes.
Following concerns about the program in January, the Senior Coach reasserted the principles about the supplement program that:
• any supplement must be WADA and ASADA compliant
• it must not be harmful to players health
• players must be properly informed about anything entering their bodies, and
• every product was to be cleared by the doctor
These guidelines were reasonable and unambiguous, but compliance required robust recording and monitoring processes which proved inadequate.
The following key issues led to a breakdown in oversight:
i) An assumption was made by the Senior Coach that his instructions would be followed to the letter. In early 2012, there appears to have been no structured follow up, monitoring or recording of compliance with the wishes of the coach.
ii) Instruction by the coach to the Performance team to manage the supplements program legally and not ‘cross the line' is superficially clear enough, but again involves a high degree of trust. There have been continued assertions in the media by some of the protagonists that nothing ‘illegal’ or ‘banned’ was given, and I have no basis to form any other view. But in this area of moving boundaries, as anti doping authorities try to regain control at the frontiers of pharmacology, it is unwise, perhaps reckless, for any club to even approach this 'line'.
iii) At critical points, the overarching role of the club doctor(s) was consistently emphasized and, by the end of the 2012 season, ultimately prevailed, but for too long was marginalised.
As well, members of the performance team introduced a Confidentiality form aimed at protecting the intellectual property of the fitness program namely the content, delivery and timing of the various components of the supplements regime. Superficially this sounded innocuous, but in retrospect could have raised alarms about the need for secrecy.
5. Sidelining of the medical staff
The attitude of some in the new fitness team was that EFC's medical personnel were yesterday's men - not abreast of the most modern sports science methodologies, excessively conventional, and pharmacologically illiterate. They were 'part of the problem, not part of the solution'.
The climate in the football department created conflicts. The fitness team had a mandate for change, to push to the legal limit with formulae which were assumed as effective and safe, if mysterious.
This led to poor internal processes with improvised fixes to ensure authorization of some, but not all, supplements and a lack of any overall documented strategy to guide the steps taken in a coherent way.
6. Administrative processes
A number of normal business processes were either not complied with, or too easily circumvented during this period.
• EFC contractors placed orders on suppliers outside normal procurement and authorization processes with EFC listed as the purchaser. This included acquisition of exotic compounds that may or may not have been intended for use by the Club.
• New suppliers were used outside the approved list of vendors. Sign off by the medical staff should be mandatory for all medical and supplement supplies and associated treatments.
• Terms and conditions for purchase orders should be clear and all invoices reconciled with original orders and with approved authorizations for budgeting. Contra deals, or other arrangements, need documentation and controls.
• Some claims on Medicare, made by external doctors, may have been inappropriate and should be notified for review and action.
• Audit - the normal tests undertaken by external auditors would not reveal loose processes,and there is no separate internal audit function. The Audit sub committee of the board may need to update its terms of reference in light of these findings.
RECOMMENDATIONS (many already underway)
1) Pioneering work with supplements and exotic treatments should be left to the Australian Sports Commission. At a club level, this is not an area for risk management but for zero tolerance. A club's pharmacology skills should not normally be independently and secretly developed as a source of competitive advantage. And an arms race for the most sophisticated molecules must be prohibited.
2) There may be alternative models for organizational connections between medical staff, sports and nutrition scientists, psychologists etc but a clear framework of accountability and authority must be established and complied with. In general, the club doctor should be expected to be the signing authority for all medicines, supplements, diagnostic tests and therapeutic treatments.
3) There may be a case for the employment of full time medical staff but this needs to be balanced against the advantages of part time doctors with active private practices which keep them abreast of best external practices.
4) Treatment by injection, and IV drips, may be justified so blanket bans are not recommended. But the medical officer must authorise, and detailed records kept. A tolerant, even permissive, attitude to use of supplements must not be allowed. This requires a mindset change within the Club which has already occurred.
5) The CEO must be accountable for everything that happens within his organization. Coaches cannot bypass him, and boards must work through him. If commercial priorities consume his time and attention, steps must be taken to ensure proper oversight of football operations.
6) The position of GM, Football Operations is an especially difficult one given subordinates and peers, eg coaches, can be charismatic alpha males who carry the weight of supporters' expectations on their shoulders. But this is a critical appointment requiring a strong capable individual who has the respect of the football staff and the support of the CEO.
7) Football clubs value having flexibility in their practices, staff who multitask, and the ability to adjust to circumstances. This is desirable but dynamic 'change management' requires discipline - clear expressions of changed accountabilities, updated job descriptions, confirmed reporting lines. And when positions are added to an org chart with full and dotted lines of responsibility or worse, left floating, the CEO must step in to clarify. Dual (or more) reporting lines can be a recipe for confusing communications. Responsibilities must be clear and employees held to account.
8) Bad news must be passed up the line quickly. Sometimes, organizations seem to have holding depots where issues await a fix while being shielded from upper management and the board. This is poor practice. Boards should ask the question 'what's keeping you up at night?' and follow up and monitor action on concerns. Boards should not resile from detailed interrogation of operations, including within the football department, even when times are good.
9) The club's Policies and Procedures should be reviewed and updated as required. This would cover all HR and remuneration policies, procurement, security, compliance, codes of conduct etc and require annual endorsement by the board.
10) Institutions are often judged by how well they respond to crises. Post February 2013, the EFC response seems textbook correct. But the best organizations are judged by how well they anticipate and prevent crises. Risk assessment and mitigation, while already part of the core board agenda, should be re examined.
11) The board agenda should also be modified to cover issues around player welfare and treatments. Ideally, as much clarity should emerge on this topic as is demanded re illegal drugs, total player payments, contract negotiations, list management. The EFC board could consider occasional attendance of players, perhaps from the Leadership Group, at its meetings.
12) The executive should regularly report to the EFC Board on implementation of these remedial actions and these reports should be shared with the AFL.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/full-text-of-the-publicly-released-ziggy-switkowski-report-after-his-review-of-governance-at-essendon-fc/story-e6frf9l6-1226635955142
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Writing was on the wall when dimwit was out in full voice supporting the drug cheats in public, and his family out with bomber scarfs at their recent match.
"Family out in bomber scarfs" it was one of his kids daniel, don't drag them into. They are allowed to follow any team they chose.
And IMHO being children who are obviously too young to understand what any of this is about they should be left out of it and any comments you want to direct at Andy D. Whack him as hard as you like but leave the kids alone
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i dont think he was dragging the kids into it, but perhaps an explanation as to why jackboot andy appears to be going soft and defending the apparently indefensible
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Essendon are scum. I will never buy a KIA or any product associated with that poohouse club. When I buy a new car I will buy a Jeep.
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i dont think he was dragging the kids into it, but perhaps an explanation as to why jackboot andy appears to be going soft and defending the apparently indefensible
Then why mention "his family in bombers scarves" at all? It isn't relevant especially when the "family" are his young kids.
As I said al, more than happy to have folks whacking Andy D for his comments and actions over this debacle because he deserves it. His recent behaviour is hypocritical at the very least
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i dont think he was dragging the kids into it, but perhaps an explanation as to why jackboot andy appears to be going soft and defending the apparently indefensible
Then why mention "his family in bombers scarves" at all? It isn't relevant especially when the "family" are his young kids.
because, perhaps, just perhaps, that has some relevancy as to why andy d is now defending the bombers.
i'm not saying it is the case, but it is what i think daniel was insinuating.
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i dont think he was dragging the kids into it, but perhaps an explanation as to why jackboot andy appears to be going soft and defending the apparently indefensible
Then why mention "his family in bombers scarves" at all? It isn't relevant especially when the "family" are his young kids.
because, perhaps, just perhaps, that has some relevancy as to why andy d is now defending the bombers.
i'm not saying it is the case, but it is what i think daniel was insinuating.
It's certainly what I was insinuating on Saturday:
One piece of the Adolph :cuddles Bummers mystery solved today. Vision at quarter time of him in the crowd with his young children - youngest son had a Bummers scarf on!
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i dont think he was dragging the kids into it, but perhaps an explanation as to why jackboot andy appears to be going soft and defending the apparently indefensible
Then why mention "his family in bombers scarves" at all? It isn't relevant especially when the "family" are his young kids.
because, perhaps, just perhaps, that has some relevancy as to why andy d is now defending the bombers.
i'm not saying it is the case, but it is what i think daniel was insinuating.
It's certainly what I was insinuating on Saturday:
One piece of the Adolph :cuddles Bummers mystery solved today. Vision at quarter time of him in the crowd with his young children - youngest son had a Bummers scarf on!
Missed that one Smokey
But still think the kids should be left out of it ;D
Think they are suffering enough :thumbsup
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Absolutely agree. My crack was squarely at Adolph although it was really just tongue-in-cheek. :thumbsup
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.......but you never know...............
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i dont think he was dragging the kids into it, but perhaps an explanation as to why jackboot andy appears to be going soft and defending the apparently indefensible
Then why mention "his family in bombers scarves" at all? It isn't relevant especially when the "family" are his young kids.
because, perhaps, just perhaps, that has some relevancy as to why andy d is now defending the bombers.
i'm not saying it is the case, but it is what i think daniel was insinuating.
It's certainly what I was insinuating on Saturday:
One piece of the Adolph :cuddles Bummers mystery solved today. Vision at quarter time of him in the crowd with his young children - youngest son had a Bummers scarf on!
Missed that one Smokey
But still think the kids should be left out of it ;D
Think they are suffering enough :thumbsup
Exactly Al. Kids can support who they like and your right WP, its really not their fault their father is ruining the best game the country has ever seen. Its not their fault their father has overseen and done nothing in regard to drugs, tanking and now drugs in sport.
I just thought it wasn't a good look given he was out there sticking up for Tird.
Maybe he is a closet cheat supporter. Nothing would surprise me with that bloke.
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Maybe he is a closet cheat supporter. Nothing would surprise me with that bloke.
Nah I reckon he still loves N0rt, he could have forced them to the Gold Coast (like they forced Fitzroy out of the comp all those yrs ago) but he refused to ;D
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.......but you never know...............
And just to chuck a bit of fuel on the simmering inferno, his older brother Jim played 9 games with Essendon from 1975 to 1976. :whistle
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i dont think he was dragging the kids into it, but perhaps an explanation as to why jackboot andy appears to be going soft and defending the apparently indefensible
Then why mention "his family in bombers scarves" at all? It isn't relevant especially when the "family" are his young kids.
because, perhaps, just perhaps, that has some relevancy as to why andy d is now defending the bombers.
i'm not saying it is the case, but it is what i think daniel was insinuating.
It's certainly what I was insinuating on Saturday:
One piece of the Adolph :cuddles Bummers mystery solved today. Vision at quarter time of him in the crowd with his young children - youngest son had a Bummers scarf on!
Missed that one Smokey
But still think the kids should be left out of it ;D
Think they are suffering enough :thumbsup
Exactly Al. Kids can support who they like and your right WP, its really not their fault their father is ruining the best game the country has ever seen. Its not their fault their father has overseen and done nothing in regard to drugs, tanking and now drugs in sport.
I just thought it wasn't a good look given he was out there sticking up for Tird.
Maybe he is a closet cheat supporter. Nothing would surprise me with that bloke.
He has been quoted on Open Mike that as a kid he was an Essendon supporter. :shh
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:police:
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Puzzle is certainly coming together
They both deserve each other. Cheats
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Ziggy Switkowski expects the key findings of his investigation into "irregular practices" at Essendon to be made public today.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-waits-on-details-of-investigation-into-irregular-practices/story-e6frf9l6-1226635582458
i wont be reading this crap.
an internal review isn't worth a box of toilet paper.
Is like asking the Nazis in 1942 to give a SS led report on the pros and cons of the Holocaust.
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Ziggy Switkowski expects the key findings of his investigation into "irregular practices" at Essendon to be made public today.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-waits-on-details-of-investigation-into-irregular-practices/story-e6frf9l6-1226635582458
i wont be reading this crap.
an internal review isn't worth a box of toilet paper.
Is like asking the Nazis in 1942 to give a SS led report on the pros and cons of the Holocaust.
:lol
Not that I'm laughing at the reality of your analogy Bents but you nailed it! :bow
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Ziggy Switkowski expects the key findings of his investigation into "irregular practices" at Essendon to be made public today.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-waits-on-details-of-investigation-into-irregular-practices/story-e6frf9l6-1226635582458
i wont be reading this crap.
an internal review isn't worth a box of toilet paper.
Is like asking the Nazis in 1942 to give a SS led report on the pros and cons of the Holocaust.
:lol
Not that I'm laughing at the reality of your analogy Bents but you nailed it! :bow
Except the SS wouldn't have got a bloke with a name like "Ziggy Switkowski" to do it :shh
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:lol
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Ch 7 news tonight were claiming that while Evans was doing his media conference, the Essendon players were being briefed by ASADA and that they (the players) were increasingly confident of being cleared.
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/jeff-kennett-says-head-should-alreadu-have-rolled-at-essendon/story-e6frf9l6-1226637153081
Glad someone finally stood up and said it
The AFL are a joke.
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/jeff-kennett-says-head-should-alreadu-have-rolled-at-essendon/story-e6frf9l6-1226637153081
Glad someone finally stood up and said it
The AFL are a joke.
Kennett repeated his view that the AFL had compromised the standing of the game with recent decisions on the Melbourne tanking saga, the sacking of Adelaide recruiter Matt Rendell and Stephen Trigg's survival from the Crows' salary cap rort.
"I think we've seen standards diminished over the past two or three years - and once you reduce standards it is very hard to ever rebuild them," Kennett told the 500 Supporters' Group lunch at the MCG.
Bloody oath. Best thing to ever come out of Kennett's mouth and I agree 110%.
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ESSENDON is building a defence that anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 was not prohibited in 2012 after insisting again yesterday it believed its players will not be sanctioned.
With former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank admitting he gave players the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604, legal experts believe the Bombers could be exploring one of several potential loopholes.
Essendon's pronouncements reveal it does not accept that AOD-9604 was banned for players during the 2012 season, but it will not confirm why it is so bullish.
The players were updated again by ASADA on Monday, and believe the No Fault or Negligence clause revealed by the Herald Sun in February is open to them.
Drug and legal experts believe the club might be trying to prove AOD-9604 was approved in some way for therapeutic use due to a special application, which would make it legal for use on humans in that instance.
The issue for Essendon is whether legal exemptions would override the World Anti-Doping Agency code.
WADA has stated that the substance is banned because it has "no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use".
The national Therapeutic Drugs Administration last night confirmed to the Herald Sun it had not given approval for AOD-9604, but said "several other exemptions exist that could allow legal supply of AOD-9604".
Those include the use of "extemporaneous compounding", where a licensed chemist makes up compounds for individual use.
It was unclear last night if a prescription is required in this instance.
Sports law expert Paul Horvath, the co-chair of the Law Institute of Victoria's Sports Law Committee, said Essendon could push the case that AOD-9604 was not banned last year.
"A strong position would come from having a letter authorising distribution of a product and that would indicate it wasn't in the S2 (named substances) or S0 (un-approved so automatically banned) categories," Horvath said.
"(Evans) doesn't seem to be suggesting they didn't take some substances; he is simply saying they didn't take banned substances.
"So they are not conceding what they took is banned. They would have seen documents and have more information than they have made public."
WADA's anti-drugs code declares on S0 non-approved substances: "Any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the List and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g drugs under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer drugs, veterinary medicines) is prohibited at all times".
Essendon states information from consultant pharmacist Ross McKinnon and sports medico Andrew Garnham has it comfortable about its position.
But McKinnon told the Herald Sun this week he made it clear that he did not believe AOD-9604 was approved in any way.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/essendon-stands-firm-to-claim-drug-was-permitted/story-e6frf9l6-1226637145038
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Essendon are a disgrace to Australian Sport.
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How embarrassing that this is still going on. ::)
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If they get of, I'm going to the ambo chasers slater and garden and sue.
Who stopped the doctors letter getting to the football operations boss for one year? Should lose draft picks on this alone.
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I don't want to hear one more utterance from Dr ageless and the rest of the cronies at bomber land.Shut up and let the the AFL and Asada(or whatever they call themselves)do their investigation
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WANKHARDA are doing a mighty job down there.
another farce of an organization if you ask me
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There were banned drugs listed on the consent forms given to Essendon players
Michael Warner
From: Herald Sun
May 09, 2013
CLUB documents show some Essendon players were prescribed the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 last season.
But Essendon last night insisted consent forms revealed today by the Herald Sun did not prove any of its players used the substance, which is banned for use by athletes.
The forms signed by Bombers players and officials reveal key details of the supplements program at Windy Hill in 2012.
They show some players were recommended weekly injections of AOD-9604.
Injection schedules for Thymosin are also documented. Some types of Thymosin are banned by doping authorities.
The forms state that "all components of the intervention are in compliance with current WADA anti-doping policy and guidelines''.
An Essendon spokesman said last night: "It is a matter for ASADA to determine these matters.''
"The club certainly does not accept that the signing of the consent forms means that the supplements were administered, and this kind of speculation is just unnecessarily harmful to the players.''
The dosages and number of injections planned to be given to individual players are detailed in the forms.
Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigators have begun grilling Essendon players on their participation in and knowledge of the club's supplements program.
Bombers chairman David Evans said this week his club had "never conceded that our players have been given banned substances in 2012''.
He said the club was becoming increasingly confident its players would escape penalties.
The consent forms appear to remove any doubt that at least one substance - AOD-9604 - prescribed to some players did fall outside anti-doping rules.
If issued with an infraction notice by ASADA, it will be up to lawyers for the players and the club to argue why this was not a breach.
It is known some Essendon players refused to be injected as part of the supplements program.
The signature of Dank appears on all the documents as well as that of a witness and the player the program was devised for.
The World Anti-Doping Agency has stated that AOD-9604, which is not approved for human use, is banned.
Asked about the status of Thymosin, an ASADA spokesman said last week: "The status of Thymosin in sport is dependent on the type of Thymosin ... for example, Thymosin Beta 4 has been prohibited under S2 of the WADA Prohibited List since at least 2011.''
Essendon has not said which type of Thymosin its players were recommended by Dank.
Melbourne biochemist Shane Charter has claimed Dank ordered the banned Thymosin Beta 4 from him last year.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/there-were-banned-drugs-listed-on-the-consent-forms-given-to-essendon-players/story-e6frf9l6-1226637891974
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essendon are nuffin more than a bunch of puss infected mangy dogs ;D
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Demetriou "They is not guilty coz they is Essendun."
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CLUB documents show some Essendon players were prescribed the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 last season.
The forms signed by Bombers players and officials reveal key details of the supplements program at Windy Hill in 2012.
They show some players were recommended weekly injections of AOD-9604.
Injection schedules for Thymosin are also documented.
But Essendon last night insisted consent forms revealed today by the Herald Sun did not prove any of its players used the substance, which is banned for use by athletes.
"The club certainly does not accept that the signing of the consent forms means that the supplements were administered, and this kind of speculation is just unnecessarily harmful to the players.''
Sounds like former US president Bill Clinton - "I did not inhale".
Seriously Essendon are trying take us all for fools. 'Oh we didn't use banned substances but then again if we did we'll show in court they were okay to use' and now 'oh yes we went to the elaborate trouble of having consent forms and setting up schedules for injections of banned substances but hey it doesn't mean we used them' :wallywink.
It's all coming together now. These consent forms alone are a serious issue. If it's correct that the forms stated that "all components of the intervention are in compliance with current WADA anti-doping policy and guidelines'' then unless Essendon can prove otherwise (that these banned substances were still allowed in their specific case) then they were getting their own players to sign a legal document containing false information. That could get the players off (if they claim they were deceived) but that could/should land club officials and the Club itself in the proverbial not only with ASADA and the AFL but also legally. No wonder the AFLPA is up in arms. So that's why Essendon are playing this game of denying any banned substances were taken and at the same time claiming these banned substances were still allowed to be used in their case anyway. If both of those arguments fall over then Essendon are totally stuffed! :yep
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If it was me, I would have taken note of what was listed and done a little research of my own.
I am amazed that not one player or coach did this.
Guilty as sin IMHO
:cheers
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I'm on meds for my cancer, first thing I did when I came home was research on what side effects these so called meds will occur.
Essendon players all lined up syringe at the ready and not one player thought hey I should check this out first..
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The anti-obesity drug is banned in a blow to Essendon's defence
Michael Warner, Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
May 10, 2013
ANTI-doping agencies have dealt a body blow to Essendon's defence of AOD-9604 as a permitted drug.
The World Anti-Doping Agency and Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority yesterday declared the anti-obesity substance off limits for athletes in any circumstances.
The Bombers had grown increasingly confident they could use a loophole to escape sanction if players were charged with doping.
The Therapeutic Drugs Administration this week confirmed it had not given approval for AOD-9604, but said "several other exemptions exist that could allow legal supply of AOD-9604".
But both ASADA and WADA yesterday told the Herald Sun there were no loopholes, justifications or ways around the use of AOD-9604, officially banned in January 2011.
The bodies were asked if legal approval for a licensed pharmacist to make the drug would override the WADA prohibition.
"It is prohibited in all circumstances," WADA communications director Julie Masse said. "AOD-9604 is a prohibited substance that falls under the S0 category of the Prohibited List."
ASADA said while therapeutic-use exemptions for athletes were available in limited cases, AOD-9604 was not one.
"Substances falling under the S0 category are prohibited at all times (in and out of competition)," it stated. "Given substances under S0 do not have current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use, no TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption) would be granted under any circumstances."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/the-anti-obesity-drug-is-banned-in-a-blow-to-essendons-defence/story-e6frf9l6-1226638953414
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suck it hard and keep sucking
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If it was me, I would have taken note of what was listed and done a little research of my own.
I am amazed that not one player or coach did this.
Guilty as sin IMHO
:cheers
This makes sense imo, who hasn't checked the label of something they've ate that wasnt home cooked? or vitamins/ counter medicine they've purchased? I do even if it was off the shelf recommended by my doc I still would ;)
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made this mistake recently
bought a slab of Stella on sale for $40
got home and the six packs were wrapped in plastic instead of cardboard
read the box and they were the poo 4.8% ones from the UK that taste like ass
wont make that mistake again
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made this mistake recently
bought a slab of Stella
EFA
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pay that
i knew i was sailing close to the line and pushing the boundaries but i just wanted to get drunk
i have taken full responsibility for my actions
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i just hope you did the environmental thing and burnt the plastic rather let it go to landfill
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used it to wrap the cat :thumbsup
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sweet.
the one good thing about plastic is that it's microwave safe.
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:lol
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The anti-obesity drug is banned in a blow to Essendon's defence
Michael Warner, Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
May 10, 2013
ANTI-doping agencies have dealt a body blow to Essendon's defence of AOD-9604 as a permitted drug.
The World Anti-Doping Agency and Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority yesterday declared the anti-obesity substance off limits for athletes in any circumstances.
The Bombers had grown increasingly confident they could use a loophole to escape sanction if players were charged with doping.
One excuse dismissed; one to go :yep. So now all they've got is expecting all of us to stupidly believe they didn't use the banned subtances after ordering them and setting up a schedule for the injection of them.
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ESSENDON players have given anti-doping investigators their full co-operation during this week's questioning, in a bid to avoid being banned from football.
Bombers players have been advised that telling the truth is the only way they can emerge from the drugs-in-sport scandal without a doping ban, if it is found they took banned substances.
While no deals have been done, possible outcomes from the joint AFL-Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation are:
PLAYERS being cleared of any wrongdoing.
PLAYERS receiving an infraction notice and a full penalty (a two-year ban from the game).
PLAYERS receiving an infraction notice and a reduced penalty, such as a six-month ban.
PLAYERS receiving an infraction notice with no penalty at the discretion of an AFL tribunal.
On top of individual penalties, Essendon could be slapped with a team infraction, an outcome that could potentially lead to the club being stripped of premiership points.
Under this scenario, players would be found guilty but allowed to play, while the team itself was heavily punished.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendon-players-fully-co-operate-with-drugs-investigation/story-e6frf9jf-1226639704311
Five Essendon staffers, including James Hird's personal assistant, have admitted to the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority that they were treated last year by Stephen Dank with a variety of injections and oral supplements.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bomber-five-admit-dank-drugs-link-20130510-2jdqc.html#ixzz2SuiPjauk
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On top of individual penalties, Essendon could be slapped with a team infraction, an outcome that could potentially lead to the club being stripped of premiership points.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/essendon-players-fully-co-operate-with-drugs-investigation/story-e6frf9jf-1226639704311
This is looking more and more likely by the day.
ASADA should also be interviewing ex-Bomber players as well as they have no reason to try and protect their employer Essendon. Surely they have or will interview Reimers as he was one of the first to speak out publicly back in February.
Former Essendon player Kyle Reimers told Channel Nine that the club knew it was pushing the boundaries with its fitness program.
''From what they were saying, it was right on the borderline of what they were going to give us,'' he said.
''Everyone signed it, it was a personal choice as to whether they took it … it does seem very odd, the type of stuff we were taking. They admitted to us it was right on the edge of the levels you could be taking.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-engulfed-by-drug-controversy-20130205-2dwmb.html#ixzz2Suumeqr4
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ASADA should also be interviewing ex-Bomber players as well as they have no reason to try and protect their employer Essendon. Surely they have or will interview Reimers as he was one of the first to speak out publicly back in February.
And thanks to the gob of McVeigh you wouldn't think Riemers would be harboring a lot of sympathy or loyalty to them.
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So one of essendrug's coaches is also one of the umpire coaches
No conflict of interest there in a league with such wonderful integrity
Terrific, just terrific
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So one of essendrug's coaches is also one of the umpire coaches
No conflict of interest there in a league with such wonderful integrity
Terrific, just terrific
Are you surprised?
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Not sure deserves own topic but
Gold Coast's Nathan Bock is reportedly being investigated for allegedly using banned peptides.
The Herald Sun reports that the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is inquiring into alleged use of prohibited drug CJC-1295.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/fears-gold-coast-star-nathan-bock-may-have-taken-banned-drugs/story-fn864np2-1226640669989
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Not sure deserves own topic but
Gold Coast's Nathan Bock is reportedly being investigated for allegedly using banned peptides.
The Herald Sun reports that the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is inquiring into alleged use of prohibited drug CJC-1295.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/fears-gold-coast-star-nathan-bock-may-have-taken-banned-drugs/story-fn864np2-1226640669989
Back when this started it was Essendon + one player from another club. Maybe this was who they were alluding to?
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=400425780072030&set=a.285340671580542.67166.284994748281801&type=1&theater
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Gee whiz
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If they failed a 3rd test is that the 3rd strike?
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If they failed a 3rd test is that the 3rd strike?
Yes
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If they failed a 3rd test is that the 3rd strike?
Yes
Aren't they meant to be known to the public? Or am I completely forgetting someone?
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If they failed a 3rd test is that the 3rd strike?
Yes
Aren't they meant to be known to the public? Or am I completely forgetting someone?
Yes once a 3rd strike is recorded the player is supposed to be named
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So they didn't name them?
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So they didn't name them?
What are you talking about?
No one recorded a 3rd strike in 2012 so there is no one to name
Only recorded 3rd strike and it goes back to 2010 and that player was named and suspended so I am not sure what you talking about
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WP although I'm middle aged and don't frequent the clubs where drugs are apparently to be found these days,i hear enough stories in my work environment to know that a sizeable part of our community is using them..whats yours or other posters opinion here, on how prevalent drug use is in our community?
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WP although I'm middle aged and don't frequent the clubs where drugs are apparently to be found these days,i hear enough stories in my work environment to know that a sizeable part of our community is using them..whats yours or other posters opinion here, on how prevalent drug use is in our community?
I'm no young'en myself ;D closer to 50 than 30 ;D
Huge problem in society drugs. I think the drugs issue is alot worse in the AFL than what they realise. 2000 tests may seem like alot but in the overall scheme of things it isn't that great a number. Would love to know how many players haven't been tested in the last 3 years
Have to staggers me that folks call them everything from social, to recreational, to party drugs. Last time I checked they were illegal
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WP although I'm middle aged and don't frequent the clubs where drugs are apparently to be found these days,i hear enough stories in my work environment to know that a sizeable part of our community is using them..whats yours or other posters opinion here, on how prevalent drug use is in our community?
As a 27 year old I guess that would put me right in the prime bracket. Andy Dimwit went on about things like drug education, if it's mental or whatever. I can tell you that every single person I know that takes/has taken whatever illegal drug are well aware of what they are doing. They know it's illegal, they know it can be harmful, they are aware there could be repercussions, but they don't care. They just want to party. These AFL players aren't stupid, they know what they're doing.
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So they didn't name them?
What are you talking about?
No one recorded a 3rd strike in 2012 so there is no one to name
Only recorded 3rd strike and it goes back to 2010 and that player was named and suspended so I am not sure what you talking about
THAT'S THE YEAR I WAS REFERRING TO! Hence why I said
Or am I completely forgetting someone?
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WP although I'm middle aged and don't frequent the clubs where drugs are apparently to be found these days,i hear enough stories in my work environment to know that a sizeable part of our community is using them..whats yours or other posters opinion here, on how prevalent drug use is in our community?
As a 27 year old I guess that would put me right in the prime bracket. Andy Dimwit went on about things like drug education, if it's mental or whatever. I can tell you that every single person I know that takes/has taken whatever illegal drug are well aware of what they are doing. They know it's illegal, they know it can be harmful, they are aware there could be repercussions, but they don't care. They just want to party. These AFL players aren't stupid, they know what they're doing.
As a 11 year old I can tell you everyone in my grade 5 class know exactly what they're doing too
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WP although I'm middle aged and don't frequent the clubs where drugs are apparently to be found these days,i hear enough stories in my work environment to know that a sizeable part of our community is using them..whats yours or other posters opinion here, on how prevalent drug use is in our community?
As a 27 year old I guess that would put me right in the prime bracket. Andy Dimwit went on about things like drug education, if it's mental or whatever. I can tell you that every single person I know that takes/has taken whatever illegal drug are well aware of what they are doing. They know it's illegal, they know it can be harmful, they are aware there could be repercussions, but they don't care. They just want to party. These AFL players aren't stupid, they know what they're doing.
As a 11 year old I can tell you everyone in my grade 5 class know exactly what they're doing too
Gee whiz, there are going to be a lot of firefighters.
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So they didn't name them?
What are you talking about?
No one recorded a 3rd strike in 2012 so there is no one to name
Only recorded 3rd strike and it goes back to 2010 and that player was named and suspended so I am not sure what you talking about
THAT'S THE YEAR I WAS REFERRING TO! Hence why I said
Or am I completely forgetting someone?
Well why didn't you say 2010?
and You are missing someone Travis Tuck
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I'm taking drugs tonight, first time
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I'm taking drugs tonight, first time
First time? When I discovered Big Gerk you were speeding off your head bro
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I'm taking drugs tonight, first time
First time ever or first time for the night?
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;D
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So they didn't name them?
What are you talking about?
No one recorded a 3rd strike in 2012 so there is no one to name
Only recorded 3rd strike and it goes back to 2010 and that player was named and suspended so I am not sure what you talking about
THAT'S THE YEAR I WAS REFERRING TO! Hence why I said
Or am I completely forgetting someone?
Well why didn't you say 2010?
and You are missing someone Travis Tuck
I thought it was pretty obvious...
Thanks forgot he even existed
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Essendon faces questions over dozens of supplements
Michael Warner
From: Herald Sun
May 20, 2013
ESSENDON players could be grilled on more than 35 drugs and supplements in footy's doping probe.
A document seen by the Herald Sun provides an insight into the "pharmacological experiment" conducted at Windy Hill last year.
The document lists substances that have been linked by authorities to Essendon and its former sports scientist Stephen Dank.
It does not say what drugs were administered to which players, if at all.
Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigators are questioning Bombers players about injections, creams, potions, pills, shakes and powders that may have been taken last year.
At least six drugs on the list - including GHRP-2, GHRP-6, CJC-1295, AOD-9604, Humanofort and Hexarelin - are banned for use by athletes.
Others are not approved for human consumption.
Some player interviews are taking more than three hours as ASADA and the AFL seek to determine whether players took substances in breach of the world anti-doping code.
The probe took a toll on some players in the lead-up to the Bombers' shock loss to Brisbane Lions on Saturday.
"It is draining, but that's the reality of it," Essendon midfielder Jake Melksham said yesterday.
The interviews will continue for the next two weeks.
It is known that some players refused injections and took a minimal role in the program.
Others were given large quantities of numerous substances.
Coaches and club staff have also been accused of using supplements, some which are banned for use by athletes.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-faces-questions-over-dozens-of-supplements/story-fnelctok-1226646323594#mm-breached
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ASADA probe is starting to take a toll on Bombers
Matt Murnane
The Age
May 20, 2013
Essendon midfielder Jake Melksham admits interviews with Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority officials have been draining for himself and his teammates, and the process was a challenge the players would have to overcome with big games looming.
ASADA began interviewing Essendon players on May 6 - in the lead-up to the Geelong game in round seven - as part of its investigation into the Bombers' controversial supplement program in 2012, and will continue this week in the build-up to Saturday's Dreamtime clash against Richmond at the MCG.
The Bombers' only two losses for the season, against Geelong on May10 and Saturday's shock loss against the Brisbane Lions - both games at Etihad Stadium - coincided with the interview process.
The Bombers' performance against Greater Western Sydney on May4, where they were missing key players and only pulled away late to win, came just days before the ASADA interviews started.
Melksham did not blame the midweek interviews and the toll it was taking for the two losses - which have resulted in the Bombers sliding from top to third - but conceded the process was a roadblock the Bombers had to plough through to ensure their recent form dip did not extend into the Dreamtime match and follow-up testing games against Sydney and Carlton.
''It is draining, but that is the reality of it. We've got to go through that,'' Melksham said on Sunday.
''The players have been really good in working through it. In a fortnight it's going to be all over and we are going to be able to push on. I think we have dealt with it for most of the year.''
Melksham said the interview process could not end quickly enough for the Bombers.
It's been reported that some uncomfortable revelations have emerged for the players during the interviews, as ASADA has detailed the substances the Essendon players are alleged to have taken.
AFL investigators sit in on the interviews as part of the league's joint investigation with ASADA.
Melksham said interviews were conducted on a training day, not a day off, so players who have them don't go into the club on that day.
''Obviously you are nervous going in there [the interviews] because you haven't done anything like that before, never experienced anything like that, and you are really out of your comfort zone,'' Melksham said on Channel Nine's Sunday Footy Show.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-probe-is-starting-to-take-a-toll-on-bombers-20130519-2juul.html#ixzz2TlIVApB4
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Feeling drained?
Feeling a bit down?
No worries!
Hexarelin
Thymosin Beta 4
peptides
to the rescue 8)
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forget about beating carlton
forget about beating collingwood
forgot about beating any team in the league.
to beat these lying cheating scum bags would be the most satisfying and enjoyable win in years IMO.
I could not think of anything better to yell out that's all you deserve cheats at the final siren if we manage to win.
we need to make a stand against cheats.
we need to completely derail their season further on behalf of every club in the league.
we need to see spike mcveigh come up with more excuses about his rabble of a former club.
we need to carry Bashar off the field for no reason but to pee them off.
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Disappointed with a few posters in this thread ;D
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Six amateur Queensland rugby league players will today be banned for two years for testing positive to an illegal stimulant.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/six-queensland-rugby-league-players-to-cop-drug-bans/story-fndujljl-1226646275589
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The anti-doping probe involving Essnedon has expanded to include a new anti-ageing supplement
Carly Crawford
From: Herald Sun
May 21, 2013
THE anti-doping probe involving Essendon has expanded to include a new anti-ageing supplement.
The Herald Sun can reveal investigators from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority are inquiring about the substance TA-65 as part of their probe into the practices at Essendon and other clubs last year.
Anti-ageing specialist Dr Robin Willcourt, who is working to gain regulatory approval to import TA-65 to Australia, was quizzed by ASADA investigators about that substance and a range of others last week.
He told the Herald Sun he had supplied TA-65 to the Dons' former sports scientist, Stephen Dank, only once and in a quantity consistent with personal use.
The substance, taken as a capsule, is billed as a plant extract that repairs DNA to help improve stamina, joint flexibility, bone density and sex drive.
It is believed to be banned under a category that forbids athletes from taking anything not approved for use by government health regulators.
The Australian Crime Commission report on drugs and crime in sport identified TA-65 as among "substances being administered to players with unknown health consequences".
Willcourt said there was widespread ignorance about how certain substances affected athletes, and accused the World Anti-Doping Agency of being over-zealous.
TA-65 was definitely not sports enhancing, but life-enhancing, he said.
Willcourt said he worked with Dank at Essendon, ordering player blood tests when Dank explained that club doctor Bruce Reid was too busy.
Dank denies any wrongdoing in relation to his activities with athletes and Essendon has not conceded any of its players took banned substances.
The Herald Sun yesterday revealed ASADA is inquiring into the use of substances including Thymosin, CJC-1295, AOD-9604 and GHRP6 as part of its inquiries into the alleged use of banned peptides at Essendon.
Senior sports integrity figures are concerned about the potential long-term health effects on athletes who have taken substances that are not yet approved for human use. The impact in five, 10 or 15 years for a person trying this is absolutely unknown, said one.
More and more athletes were using pharmaceuticals for purposes outside of their prescribed use, the source said.
"We're seeing escalating use in off-label uses in athletes trying to get a competitive edge."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-anti-doping-probe-involving-essnedon-has-expanded-to-include-a-new-anti-ageing-supplement/story-fnelctok-1226647188979
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Essendon CEO Ian Robson has resigned as the fallout from the club's supplement scandal grows.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-ceo-ian-robson-resigns-as-drugs-fallout-grows/story-fni5f6kv-1226649050373#
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Robson quits Essendon
DateMay 23, 2013
Will Brodie and Jake Niall
The Essendon supplements crisis has claimed its biggest scalp so far, with CEO Ian Robson resigning.
Robson has told a press conference at Windy Hill that he had offered to resign as soon as the extent of the club's supplements crisis was revealed in February. He said he agreed with the assessment of the Switkowski report into Essendon's governance that "lack of proper process" occurred in 2012.
His said his resignation has now been accepted and he would leave the club immediately.
He said there were things that "just should not have happened" on his watch.
"...We let down out players and their families... there are no excuses... As CEO I am accountable..." he said.
In a lengthy statement, Robson said that if there was a line in the sand on the issue of drugs in sport, he wanted to be on the side of "health and safety for players" and the fairness of the game.
"I did not know (about the club's suplements crisis), but I should have known".
Chairman David Evans spoke after Robson, and paid tribute to his departing CEO, saying his statement was a "testament to him as a person and an administrator". Evans said the club needed Robson over the past four months to help it through a "distressing phase".
"While there are challenges ahead of us, the club is starting to stabilise," Evans said, when asked why Robson was departing now.
Questioned after the statements were read, Robson said he recognised it was the "right and appropriate course of action" to resign, despite believing he had done the right thing by the club by staying on since February.
"Now was the right time," he stated.
Evans paid credit to Robson's resilience, and praised his contribution to Essendon.
An interim CEO will be anounced in the next 24 hours.
Robson made it clear that he felt he had a future in sports administration, even saying he would be "better for this experience".
Robson was recruited from the Hawks after overseeing the near-doubling of Hawthorn's membership and a premiership in 2008.
The Switkowski Report into Essendon's corporate governance of the use of supplements in 2012 explicitly mentioned the role of the CEO as being accountable for such programs.
The report, released on May 6, found that "there was a lack of clarity about who was in charge of the Football Department".
"A number of normal business processes were either not complied with, or too easily circumvented..."
And amongst its recommendations: "The CEO must be accountable for everything that happens within his organization".
Robson has previously made no public comment on the crisis or the report.
MORE TO COME
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/robson-quits-essendon-20130523-2k2ex.html#ixzz2U5ILBYp5
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GRUELLING interviews between Essendon players and anti-doping investigators are expected to be completed next week.
The Bombers have dropped consecutive games as players admit the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority probe has taken its toll ahead of Saturday night's clash with fellow finals contender Richmond.
Despite the interviews being fast-tracked, the investigation is far from complete.
It is possible some players and coaches will be interviewed again before ASADA and the AFL decide whether to charge players or the club for doping offences.
It comes as Essendon sources confirm the use of peptide AOD-9604 as a potential food supplement would be a key plank in the club's defence.
The company marketing the controversial anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 yesterday defended the substance and said it would soon be widely used in the US.
Metabolic chief executive David Kenley said yesterday the substance was proved safe after human trials, and would be used in the US as a food additive once safety data was published.
Essendon is arguing that it could be taken off WADA and ASADA banned lists when given US approval, but the defence has considerable holes.
Anti-doping bodies are adamant it is irrelevant whether a substance might one day be legal.
If it is consumed by an athlete when it is on the banned list the player faces a suspension of up to two years.
AOD-9604 is unlikely to gain US regulatory approval before the club's judgment day, but should be approved within a year.
Metabolic is on the verge of receiving a Generally Recognised As Safe certificate in the US.
"It does have a conditional GRAS status to the US market and it is conditional not on anything to do with safety," Kenley said.
"They at the moment have received approval subject to the safety data being published in a peer-recognised journal.
"Once that is done it is legal and ethical to have it in drinks, foods and dietary supplements in the USA."
Kenley said he expected the drug to be given approval within the year, but confirmed it did not have approval through the American Food and Drugs Administration or Australia's Therapeutic Drugs Administration.
That is the issue for Essendon, because while approval from those bodies would take it off the banned list, consent forms show players were prescribed weekly injections of the substance last year when it was not approved.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/the-interviews-between-essendon-players-and-asada-expected-to-be-completed-next-week/story-e6frephf-1226647901721
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Boring.
If the players are cheats .... players need to go :cheers
Screw the admin.
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CEO suspension one less soft penalty they'll receive :banghead
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"The confidence we keep getting from David Evans is that the players will be OK and (they) will get through this," Hird said.
His senior assistant, Mark Thompson said: "When we get through this, people won't see Essendon as the big monsters who don't know what we are doing."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/will-ian-robson-be-the-first-domino-to-fall-in-essendon-supplement-scandal/story-fndv8gad-1226649179329
Who says people saw Essendon as not knowing what they were doing, Bomber? :nope
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Boring.
If the players are cheats .... players need to go :cheers
Screw the admin.
here here
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Asked about suggestions that members of the club's football department, including himself, were more responsible than Robson for the alleged doping scandal, Hird said: "the Switkowski report came out, there's actions out of the report that are going on at the moment, the investigation with (ASADA) is currently (taking place), and speaking about the issues to come out of (ASADA) would be inappropriate."
"We've given an undertaking we won’t do that until after the ASADA report comes out."
Hird conceded it had been difficult for players to focus on their football, given they are still being interviewed by ASADA.
"We can’t deny it's a distraction, because it has been," he said. "I mean, this is not a normal weekly routine for football, but the majority of those interviews are now done, the players have now got through that part of the process. ASADA will go away and contemplate their report, but for us now it's about playing football."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-24/gunston-expected-be-named-for-dons
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ASADA interviews 'stressful' for Essendon players: Demetriou
Matt Cram
3AW
24 May, 2013
Andrew Demetriou says Essendon players are learning new details about ASADA's investigation into the club that would be weighing on their mind.
Speaking with Neil Mitchell on 3AW, Demetriou said some Bombers would be feeling the stress since ASADA began interviewing players two weeks ago.
Essendon has lost its past two matches.
"We do know that these interviews are long and in some instances they are stressful because the players are hearing things they haven't been told before," Demetriou said.
"I would defy anybody in that situation - particularly if you're a young person - not to have it crossing your mind.
"Is that affecting (them) on-field? I'm not sure.
"But I'm sure that it's actually weighing on their mind."
Demetriou didn't reveal what new details the players would be hearing.
"I think during the interview process, Neil, they are being told about the practices and being told about the potential substances that may or may not have been used," he said.
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/neil-mitchell-blog/asada-interviews-stressful-for-essendon-players-demetriou/20130524-2k5t5.html
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No need to stress over vitamin c.
Don't be silly Vlad.
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Lose weight - the EFC way ;D
(http://static5.depositphotos.com/1000975/442/i/950/depositphotos_4428806-Smilies-making-injection---isolated-on-white.jpg)
Waiver: yeah it's WADA approved .... trust us!
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Dons briefed on 'golden rules' for questioning
Samantha Lane
The Age
May 25, 2013
Essendon players were given a detailed written briefing, commissioned and distributed by leading sports management group Elite Sports Properties, to prepare them for interviews with Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigators "trying to obtain admissions from you".
The 23-page document, seen by Fairfax Media, listed 15 "golden rules" for answering ASADA's questions. Number one was to "tell the truth".
Almost 40 supplements – among them the prohibited AOD9604, growth hormone releasing peptides GRHP-2 and GRHP-6, CJC 1295 and Hexarelin – are referenced, and players are urged to reflect on which they may have received.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-briefed-on-golden-rules-for-questioning-20130524-2k6vo.html#ixzz2UEOQ7NQx
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Robbo on SEN just said one of the Bomber parents has told him he wants his kid traded out of Essendon at the end of this season after what has happened.
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Melksham screams mumma's boy, maybe him?
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What do we offer for Short-steppell? Or is it Kavanagh? His dad likes to get involved in poo that he shouldn't.
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Melksham screams mumma's boy, maybe him?
If it's Melksham he's gunna be shattered when no one offers anything. :shh
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If got a box of cakes from my industry days....and a half working toaster
Mmmmmmmm warm cakes
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I hate these bastards, I hope ASADA throws the book at them.
:banghead
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Robbo on SEN just said one of the Bomber parents has told him he wants his kid traded out of Essendon at the end of this season after what has happened.
Said 'kid' needs to do his two year ban first.
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as bad as we were last night was 4 points that belongs to us.
when they are found guilty will we get those 4 points, :nope .
I can only hope that last game in round 22 is a dead rubber with us automatically taking the 4 points.
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When a team is rubbed out you still have to win to get the points.
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When a team is rubbed out you still have to win to get the points.
Are you quite sure?
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Affirmative. See Melbourne Storm.
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Negative. Melbourne Storm were rubbed out for salary cap breaches not drug cheating.
How can you be expected to beat a team on drugs when you are clean?
That;s the whole thing D-wa
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Same diff. Disqualified team and you can't get the points unless you win, even more so in a lob-sided comp. Imagine the uproar when a team misses out on the 8 by a game to someone like Collingwood or West Coast (even us) who loses to Essendon twice but still recieved 8 points for no other reason than they were fixtured against Essendon twice. More so if that team beat Essendon.
Storm played on with the same list that they cheated to obtain for the remainder of the season anyway.
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'cept you can't have drug cheats continue to play, bans man, bans
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but you cant have a team not play out the season when you have received millions of dollars for 9 games a week from the broadcasters. ;)
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I hear Bendigo Gold are ready to step up
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Simplest solution is to strip them of all premiership points and ban them from the draft. That way they keep playing so the AFL abides by its TV rights contract while the Bombers cop their right royal whack. I won't be holding my breath though.
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Dons can't plead ignorance to ASADA
By Mitch Cleary
afl.com.au
Friday, May 31, 2013
THE WORLD'S leading anti-doping prosecutor, responsible for the downfall of Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones, insists ignorance plays no part in Essendon players being proven guilty into their 2012 supplements program.
Richard Young, a sports lawyer based in Colorado, America, will be central to the decision making in ASADA's investigation into the supplement programs at AFL and NRL clubs.
"If an anti-doping organisation, such as ASADA, is able to demonstrate that an athlete used a prohibited substance then that is a strict liability violation," Young said.
"Whether the athlete thought they were getting something else or whether they thought the substance was legal or not.
"That is how the rules have played out consistently on all sorts of stages because that is what the anti-doping code says."
Read more: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-31/dons-cant-plead-ignorance-to-asada
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Call for Bombers guarantee
Caroline Wilson
The Age
June 6, 2013
Influential player manager Craig Kelly has placed Essendon on notice, seeking assurances from the club that none of his contracted clients will be liable for any financial penalties as a result of the AFL and ASADA investigation.
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The ASADA-AFL interrogation sessions with the Essendon and former Essendon players are drawing to a close. David Hille, who has been overseas on leave, was the last Bomber due to be interviewed with Port Adelaide's Angus Monfries travelling to Melbourne this week with his club having a bye. Kyle Reimers has also been scheduled with the last of the player interviews taking place next week.
A number of Essendon coaches and staffers, several of whom have admitted to being injected by sport scientist Stephen Dank, have been recalled by ASADA this week.
The prevailing view is that the change of chief executive at the club along with the uncertainty of the ASADA-AFL outcome has seen a number of players postpone their final negotiations while list manager Adrian Dodoro is handling most current negotiations.
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While Essendon remains publicly confident its players will not be suspended as a result of the exotic supplements and drug program it ran last season it faces widespread legal action should that confidence prove unfounded.
The AFL Players Association has been working closely with the club in advising and supporting its players but it has not ruled out backing suspended footballers potentially launching legal action should their careers suffer.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/call-for-bombers-guarantee-20130605-2nqox.html#ixzz2VMJtjZwi
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ASADA grilling shakes former Essendon player Mark McVeigh
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
June 08, 2013 5:26PM
A SHAKEN Mark McVeigh says Essendon was plunged into its supplement scandal by a "huge rogue element''.
In revelations that pour serious doubt on Essendon's ability to escape sanction, the former Bomber admitted he was disturbed by what drug investigators had told him during a four-hour ASADA grilling this week.
"There are things that you hear in this interview that you know nothing about and you've never heard before and they are quite alarming,'' McVeigh said.
"When I say alarming, I mean things that people may have done who are no longer at the club that no one knew about.
"You think about your family, you think about your health and it's quite serious.''
McVeigh, speaking on SEN radio, admitted he was left "furious'' by some revelations, but said he still believed the players had done nothing wrong.
"I don't think we did anything untoward ... but there is a huge doubt and there were things going on that James Hird, the doctors at the club and the players had no idea about," he said.
"I'm not just talking about being injected with an illegal substance; I'm talking about if you had given blood where that was going and if you were given a substance and it's not checked off properly.
"I've said all the way along that I was told things were ASADA and WADA approved. If I was given a supplement it was seen that was what it was, but there was some suggestion in my interview that it was not what it was."
McVeigh was surprised at how much ASADA knew about Essendon's drug program in a grilling he said put him under enormous stress.
"I really feel for the people involved in the footy club," he said.
"The people that were officiating and the people that should have known things were being told one thing and there may have been something else going on instead, so there was a lot of lying going.
"I understand checks and balances and governance, but when coaches and doctors were asking what was happening, a person or particular people were telling them one thing, but something else was happening.
"I can really understand how these players are feeling and I feel it is a mighty, mighty effort for them to be playing football at the top level considering what's going on."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/asada-grilling-shakes-mark-mcveigh/story-fndv8gad-1226660590370#mm-breached
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So Mark McVeigh continues to make excuses for the stupidity of those in change at.Eassendon.
Actually it shows how stupid and naive McVeigh, M is/was.
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So Mark McVeigh continues to make excuses for the stupidity of those in change at.Eassendon.
Actually it shows how stupid and naive McVeigh, M is/was.
They in big big trouble. Whatever happened to the "we only took Vitamin B and Vitamin C" routine that EFC people were spouting to all and sundry. What a stuffen disgrace of a club.
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Agree Ramps, ASADA/WADA have them in the gun and will barrel them :clapping
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Agree Ramps, ASADA/WADA have them in the gun and will barrel them :clapping
That's great, but I wish they would hurry the eff up about it. The longer this drags on the more I fear it's all going to get swept under the carpet like the tanking affair. And before anybody says it, different body imposing the penalties, yeah I know. BUT WHY IS IT TAKING SO GODDAMN LONG??? :banghead
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Agree Ramps, ASADA/WADA have them in the gun and will barrel them :clapping
That's great, but I wish they would hurry the eff up about it. The longer this drags on the more I fear it's all going to get swept under the carpet like the tanking affair. And before anybody says it, different body imposing the penalties, yeah I know. BUT WHY IS IT TAKING SO GODDAMN LONG??? :banghead
Nah happy for to drag on, wold love it to be concluded and penalties announced at the completion of either round 22 or 23 and they get stripped of points and not be able to play finals ;D
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What could be better than Essendank being stripped of points to drag them out of the finals? 0 points handing them another wooden spoon! :rollin :pray
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WP and Smokey, can I ask you, what do you think the most likely penalties will be? What's your gut feeling? Will they strip them of premiership points and draft picks, lengthy suspensions for the players who injected, massive fines imposed, or a combination of all? And what about golden boy Hird, Bomber Thompson and the whole administration that sanctioned this? Surely they can't come out of this smelling like roses?
Basically my thoughts keep going back to Justin Charles who acted alone and independently from the club. If I remember correctly he served a 16 game suspension, came back and played a handful of games, but the shame and scandal pretty much finished him. Considering the whole Essendon organization were100% behind this program, I expect nothing less at the very least, and hopefully a whole lot more.
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RR, my paramount feeling is that they will cop a Meltank whack - a serious club fine with the reality of the crime swept under the carpet. I base that opinion on the history Adolf and the AFL have for bullying the media and rewriting history.
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RR, my gut feel is and has always been that players will be banned for a period of time. Probably not the standard 2 years but more likely 6-8 months. How many players and which ones is the one thing that I am intrigued about. Ive always held the view the plays will cop their whack via the ASADA/WADA code which the AFL is bound to follow.
Failure of the AFL to enforce the penalties as per ASADA/WADA guidelines leaves open the right of ASADA/WADA to appeal and then handout their own whacks which I have no doubt would be much harsher than what the AFL will handout. In other words the AFL must hand out penalties that appease ASADA/WADA they cannot afford not too
As for the EFC, I would think they will be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. Again the AFL have to punish them but to what level that's the great unknown. You'd hope they do a Melb Storm type punishment but will the AFL have the courage to do that to one of the "big" clubs? Who knows?
Would think it will have alot to do with what the ASADA report says and also what the Ziggy report sections we haven't seen but the AFL has says.
For the integrity of the game they need to go hard but as I said it all comes back to courage and whether the AFL has any
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Although completely unrelated ,the AFL did dish out to Carlton over the salary cap issue
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Yep too right.
They won't cop a Melbourne type punishment, imagine the uproar. The dees escaped due largely to the threat of legal action IMO. No real evidence
My gut feel is they are screwed. Loss of picks, playing for o points as someone had suggested earlier,
Big fines. That's enough to screw them up for years to come.
As much as I liked watching blues lose those 4 points are theirs fair and square. No team should be losing 4 points to a bunch of cheats.
Flogs like spike make me hate these club more than ever. Still with the fairy's he is, blaming everyone else except tird and coach Thompson. Who could forget his mocking of Reimers pre season.i hope his on sen one day as I will call him and ask him to explain his thinking behind such dilluisonal thinking.
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Agree Ramps, ASADA/WADA have them in the gun and will barrel them :clapping
That's great, but I wish they would hurry the eff up about it. The longer this drags on the more I fear it's all going to get swept under the carpet like the tanking affair. And before anybody says it, different body imposing the penalties, yeah I know. BUT WHY IS IT TAKING SO GODDAMN LONG??? :banghead
Nah happy for to drag on, wold love it to be concluded and penalties announced at the completion of either round 22 or 23 and they get stripped of points and not be able to play finals ;D
Players must get two year bans
Draft picks removes
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How can you ban then for six months?
During the off season when there are no games to be banned from :huh
RR, my gut feel is and has always been that players will be banned for a period of time. Probably not the standard 2 years but more likely 6-8 months. How many players and which ones is the one thing that I am intrigued about. Ive always held the view the plays will cop their whack via the ASADA/WADA code which the AFL is bound to follow.
Failure of the AFL to enforce the penalties as per ASADA/WADA guidelines leaves open the right of ASADA/WADA to appeal and then handout their own whacks which I have no doubt would be much harsher than what the AFL will handout. In other words the AFL must hand out penalties that appease ASADA/WADA they cannot afford not too
As for the EFC, I would think they will be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. Again the AFL have to punish them but to what level that's the great unknown. You'd hope they do a Melb Storm type punishment but will the AFL have the courage to do that to one of the "big" clubs? Who knows?
Would think it will have alot to do with what the ASADA report says and also what the Ziggy report sections we haven't seen but the AFL has says.
For the integrity of the game they need to go hard but as I said it all comes back to courage and whether the AFL has any
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How can you ban then for six months?
During the off season when there are no games to be banned from :huh
The bans will be for 6-8 months of competition, thought that would obvious ::) should have spelt it put I suppose. Sort of bans they've recently handed out in MLB baseball, bans given during pre-season (spring training) but must be served during main competition.
Suggest people have a good look at the sort penalties have been handed out over the last decade and how they've been enforced
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Anything less than the what Carlton was given would be criminal.
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carltons penalty was indeed stiff,however this issue makes the salary cap rort pale into insignificance
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MLB looks like they are going to take a hard line.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9301536/major-league-baseball-suspend-20-players-including-alex-rodriguez-ryan-braun-part-miami-investigation
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MLB looks like they are going to take a hard line.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9301536/major-league-baseball-suspend-20-players-including-alex-rodriguez-ryan-braun-part-miami-investigation
10-15 years too late
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10-15 years too late
Like the AFL brushing off what Dale Lewis had to say.
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how long ago has it been since dale lewis made those comments?
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how long ago has it been since dale lewis made those comments?
He made them back in 2002.
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so they AFL dismissed those comments at the time?.
what did dale lewis have to gain from making those comments probably nothing
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so they AFL dismissed those comments at the time?.
what did dale lewis have to gain from making those comments probably nothing
Yep the AFL dismissed them at the time. Might have even been Andy D.
Garry Lyon backed Dale Lewis at the time as far as agreeing there was a drug problem in the AFL.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/03/08/1015365748371.html
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Yep the AFL dismissed them at the time. Might have even been Andy D.
It was Andy D when he was Operations Manager. Called Lewis naive. :whistle
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10-15 years too late
Like the AFL brushing off what Dale Lewis had to say.
Nah the MLB are a helluva lot worse than the AFL. Have only introduced testing for PEDs in the last 5 or so years.
So many MLB records are tainted. Bonds and his HR record, Clemens and his CY Youngs, could go on
At least the AFL have always been tough on PEDs
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What could be better than Essendank being stripped of points to drag them out of the finals? 0 points handing them another wooden spoon! :rollin :pray
Could they still beat GWS by percentage? :lol
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Scare on baby Bombers
Caroline Wilson and Jon Pierik
The Age
June 12, 2013
The impact of Essendon's supplements program on the players' fertility has come under question as a result of the joint inquiry being run by the AFL and ASADA.
Past and present Essendon players were stunned at the line of questioning, which left them concerned their fertility and the health of their unborn children could have been affected as a result of last year's irregular practices at the club.
Several players, including former Bomber Mark McVeigh, were asked whether they were aware of any potential side effects to their health of the program in which a significant number of players were injected twice a week and also placed on intravenous drips as part of the club's edgy attempt to fast-track on-field success.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/scare-on-baby-bombers-20130611-2o276.html#ixzz2Vvb0xzAv
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Hahaha
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Hahaha
theyve completely stuffed up these players and oh no more father sons for the dons over the next 20 to 30 years lol. idiots.
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Hahaha
theyve completely stuffed up these players and oh no more father sons for the dons over the next 20 to 30 years lol. idiots.
I don't mind TWatson but listening to him defend these flogs this morning was pretty funny.
How can anyone use ignorance as an excuse.
Said it before the only thing saving the club is the wins in the board or their situation would make dees look like a walk in the park.
Gee I hope they get done the pricks.
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Tim Watson accuses ASADA of dirty tactics
By AAP
Wednesday, June 12, 2013
ESSENDON legend Tim Watson has accused ASADA of using good cop-bad cop tactics to try and frighten the club's players during their ongoing anti-doping investigation.
Watson, father of Bombers' captain Jobe, said questions directed at players during ASADA interviews that suggested supplements they allegedly took last year could have potential health effects on their fertility or their unborn children were disturbing.
"Massively. Can you imagine if you were confronted by the discussion that particularly Mark McVeigh (was), his youngest child is 10 months old and he was confronted by that," Watson told Melbourne's SEN radio.
"Part of the questioning and the tactics applied by ASADA are also there's a little bit of good cop-bad cop, scaring players along the way.
"But it has been extraordinarily confronting for the players."
Watson said he was sure coach James Hird, senior assistant Mark Thompson, football manager Danny Corcoran and club doctor Bruce Reid wouldn't have knowingly allowed any supplement to be given to players that posed such dangers.
"I have no problem accepting that and my son's involved in all of this," he said.
"I have no problem accepting that they would not have been party to that.
"What's taken place is outside what was accepted by the football club people and the football department and the club doctor.
"This is a maverick operation that took place outside what they'd agreed upon and what the players had agreed upon.
"It's important to make that distinction."
Sports scientist Stephen Dank, who was running the Bombers' supplement program, was sacked last year, while fitness advisor Dean Robinson has been suspended pending the investigation.
Watson said whether club officials had put appropriate protocols in place to try to safeguard the players was a separate issue.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-12/asada-play-good-copbad-cop
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Yourboy a cheating gIT jobe.
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Lets blame Asada, let's blame Dank, let's blame *(insert any somewhat relevant party outside the club)*
The manufacturers of the syringes will be next.
If they are so innocent, why are they so concerned feeling the need to shift focus onto every other parties?
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I wouldn't mind betting Essendon have the best PR team money can buy.
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Lets blame Asada, let's blame Dank, let's blame *(insert any somewhat relevant party outside the club)*
The manufacturers of the syringes will be next.
If they are so innocent, why are they so concerned feeling the need to shift focus onto every other parties?
Sounds like my kid who constantly blames this little turd "Notme" whenever something is messed up arou.nd the house. Who knows, maybe this ratbag "Notme" is behind the entire supplements program at bomba land
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Lets blame Asada, let's blame Dank, let's blame *(insert any somewhat relevant party outside the club)*
The manufacturers of the syringes will be next.
If they are so innocent, why are they so concerned feeling the need to shift focus onto every other parties?
Sounds like my kid who constantly blames this little turd "Notme" whenever something is messed up arou.nd the house. Who knows, maybe this ratbag "Notme" is behind the entire supplements program at bomba land
Seems that little "Notme" has no respect for anyones house :banghead
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James Hird and I had poolside 'talks', biochemist Shane Charter says
Carly Crawford
Herald Sun
June 13, 2013
ESSENDON coach James Hird twice discussed peptides with biochemist Shane Charter by the pool of a Gold Coast hotel at the beginning of the club's supplements program, Charter has claimed.
Hird, Charter and sacked sports scientist Stephen Dank discussed a range of substances, including peptides, hormones and vitamins, at the Sheraton Mirage in Surfers Paradise in December 2011, he says.
The Bombers were staying at the hotel during their pre-season training camp.
Charter - a key witness in the anti-doping probe - and his family were also staying at the Sheraton.
Investigators from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority have been asking Essendon players about Charter's presence on the training camp.
It was during this pre-Christmas period that Essendon began injecting its players with substances.
Essendon has dismissed as a chance encounter Hird's recent dealings with "Dr Ageless" Charter, Hird's personal trainer in his playing days.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-and-i-had-poolside-talks-biochemist-shane-charter-says/story-fni5f22o-1226662763613
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James Hird and I had poolside 'talks', biochemist Shane Charter says
Carly Crawford
Herald Sun
June 13, 2013
ESSENDON coach James Hird twice discussed peptides with biochemist Shane Charter by the pool of a Gold Coast hotel at the beginning of the club's supplements program, Charter has claimed.
Hird, Charter and sacked sports scientist Stephen Dank discussed a range of substances, including peptides, hormones and vitamins, at the Sheraton Mirage in Surfers Paradise in December 2011, he says.
The Bombers were staying at the hotel during their pre-season training camp.
Charter - a key witness in the anti-doping probe - and his family were also staying at the Sheraton.
Investigators from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority have been asking Essendon players about Charter's presence on the training camp.
It was during this pre-Christmas period that Essendon began injecting its players with substances.
Essendon has dismissed as a chance encounter Hird's recent dealings with "Dr Ageless" Charter, Hird's personal trainer in his playing days.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-and-i-had-poolside-talks-biochemist-shane-charter-says/story-fni5f22o-1226662763613
Essendank carry on as if this whole investigation was just a mirage which should dissipate into the ether.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6FO-P2MXOUk :lol
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Barrett saying the interviews will be wrapped up by the end of next week and then it's up to ASADA and the AFL. Bomber Thompson to be interviewed next week. At this stage a team sanction is the likely scenario (players most likely to get off although there's still 6 players who need to be cleared). Essendon are still claiming they are legally in the clear.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6FO-P2MXOUk :lol
:lol :lol :lol
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Barrett saying the interviews will be wrapped up by the end of next week and then it's up to ASADA and the AFL. Bomber Thompson to be interviewed next week. At this stage a team sanction is the likely scenario (players most likely to get off although there's still 6 players who need to be cleared). Essendon are still claiming they are legally in the clear.
How can the team be sanctioned but no individuals? Either someones given/taken something so they should cop it and if they haven't why do the team deserve anything?
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Dons may get probe result in six weeks
Jon Pierik
The Age
June 15, 2013
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou says the extent of the Essendon supplements scandal could be known in six weeks.
The joint investigation by the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority into what happened at the club last year continues, although player interviews are now complete.
Demetriou said the investigation, which began in February, was nearing a conclusion.
''The last information or briefing I had on this was earlier this week, which indicated to me the interviews are nearly complete. The players have been done, they are re-interviewing people. Of course we are involved with that,'' he said on Friday.
''Once those interviews are complete, they will then set about finalising the report.
''My guess is still the same - that is, we won't hear anything until late July, mid August. Unless there are delays, that's the timetable.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-may-get-probe-result-in-six-weeks-20130614-2o9vu.html#ixzz2WFDPoDxO
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The real question is : has the probe gone deep enough
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oiK2HVWfMro
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oiK2HVWfMro
:lol Has lost it :rollin
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(http://i.imgur.com/ZzsWQ.jpg])
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ASADA inquiry could shelve Essendon players
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
June 23, 2013 8:52PM
ESSENDON players could still be suspended before the finals with the AFL-ASADA drugs inquiry set to wrap up in the last rounds of the season.
AFL deputy chief executive Gillon McLachlan said yesterday he expected the joint inquiry into the club's supplement program would be completed in the home-and-away season.
His estimate was early August, at which stage the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority would either clear Bombers players or issue infraction notices for players to appear at a special AFL tribunal.
It means Essendon players could play in September exonerated of taking banned substances or face a tribunal hearing on the verge of or during finals.
McLachlan was asked about the possibility of Essendon winning the premiership and then facing sanctions.
"I think ... this issue has to be brought to a head before the finals. I believe that and I have sort of some line of sight on it. I've got hopefully some level of confidence that it will be done," he told Channel Seven.
"I'm hopeful and optimistic that it will be somewhere in the first half of August."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/asada-inquiry-could-shelve-essendon-players/story-fni5f6kv-1226668461129
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Bombers investigation done by finals: AFL
Roger Vaughan
The Age
June 24, 2013
The AFL is confident the investigation into Essendon's supplements scandal will be resolved well before the September finals series.
One of the nightmare scenarios for the league is that the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) hands down its findings during the finals, with Essendon still in premiership contention.
But the AFL's No.2 administrator, chief operating officer Gil McLachlan, said on Sunday that was unlikely to happen.
"I'm hopeful and optimistic it's somewhere in the first half of August," he told Channel Seven's Game Day.
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"This issue has to be brought to a head before the finals.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-investigation-done-by-finals-afl-20130623-2oq8k.html#ixzz2X3f2qeMf
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Essen Don finish first
Stripped points / picks
2 yr bans
Come on as ad :cheers
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Jobe was a guest on the coch tonight and admitted taking AOD but still thinks he did nothing wrong.
That whole club are seriously dilluded. They have to be gawn seriously.
Robbo's has sent out a tweet saying Jobe will regret admitting that on live tv
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chimp = brownlow winner
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Credit to him for admitting it, even though he probably knew he was goneski
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Jobe was a guest on the coch tonight and admitted taking AOD but still thinks he did nothing wrong.
That whole club are seriously dilluded. They have to be gawn seriously.
Robbo's has sent out a tweet saying Jobe will regret admitting that on live tv
I actually had to rewind that bit as I didn't think I heard it right. It has been written ad nauseum that this AOD is not permitted, just go back through this thread. Instead I just googled "is aod9604 legal in Australia" and found this one
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-anti-obesity-drug-is-banned-in-a-blow-to-essendons-defence/story-e6frf9l6-1226638953414
Take your pick:
The World Anti-Doping Agency and Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority yesterday declared the anti-obesity substance off limits for athletes in any circumstances.
how about
"It is prohibited in all circumstances," WADA communications director Julie Masse said. "AOD-9604 is a prohibited substance that falls under the S0 category of the Prohibited List."
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"Substances falling under the S0 category are prohibited at all times (in and out of competition)," it stated. "Given substances under S0 do not have current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use, no TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption) would be granted under any circumstances."
Rooted.
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Essendon captain Jobe Watson admits he took banned drug but remains adamant he did nothing wrong
By Roger Vaughan
AAP
June 24, 2013 11:00PM
Essendon captain Jobe Watson has made the stunning admission he took the banned substance AOD-9604, but the AFL's reigning Brownlow Medallist remains adamant he did nothing wrong.
The star onballer said on Fox Footy's On The Couch he took the anti-obesity drug after signing a consent form.
"I signed that consent form and my understanding, after it being given through (club doctor) Bruce Reid and the club, that I was receiving AOD,'' he said on Monday night.
Asked if he thought the substance was legal when he was taking it, Watson replied: "that it was legal at the time and that was actually what I was told I was being given.''
Essendon are under Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) and AFL investigations for last year's supplement program.
The AFL hope ASADA will announce its findings in early August.
AOD-9604 has emerged as a major factor in the controversy.
The World Anti-Doping Authority issued a statement early last month, saying the drug was a banned substance.
Watson admitted that clarification surprised him.
"It did, because the understanding we had through the advice we got and through the medical doctor at the football club, that it was a legal substance,'' he said.
Watson and other players have fronted investigators to answer questions about the supplements program.
Despite the potential for ASADA to hand down severe sanctions, Watson is confident about his fate.
"I don't have a feeling of guilt and I don't believe I've done anything wrong,'' he said.
"So all I want is the truth to come out.
It's not impacting on me, because ... it's not a cloud having over me. I don't care how long it takes.''
Watson also admitted he was surprised by the number of injections he received in the supplements program.
"I don't know it was that vast, in terms of the numbers being reported,'' he said.
"As a player myself, it was a new frontier for us. Having that many injections was something I had not experienced in AFL football before.''
Watson was interviewed before former player Mark McVeigh, who expressed concern after his interview about possible health effects of the supplements they were given.
"I wasn't surprised - I certainly had a different take to Mark,'' Watson said.
"There was a mention about fertility and things like that. That was news to me.''
Watson admitted the anti-doping interviews had affected the players' on-field form at times, but overall they were sticking together.
Essendon have coped remarkably well with the stress of the investigations and are fourth after 12 rounds.
"There were some flat patches, probably around the investigation when players' interviews were being conducted.
"We could only lean on each other and we spoke on numerous occasions that the only people who knew what we were going through were the other people sitting next to you. That solidarity has held us in good stead so far.''
Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/essendon-captain-jobe-watson-admits-he-took-banned-drug-but-remains-adamant-he-did-nothing-wrong/story-e6frf3e3-1226669049128#ixzz2X90CFTF5
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Should not play another game this year (and beyond) and hand back his brownlow.
Cheat.
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I reckon the players will take this to court.
He stated very carefully that he signed the form that clearly stated what they were receiving but that it was given the ok by "the club and the club doctor".
To me he seemed to be very specific in that he signed off on something that both the club and doctor had signed off on so in his mind they are blameless in this regard.
If my son was recruited to the bombers and was embroiled in this whole scandal there would be no chance in hell that after signing that form my son would be responsible for taking a substance that was banned when the club doctor and the club signed off on it that it wasn't banned.
I'm not sure what a player was supposed to do in this scenario after they had already effectively arranged a form that basically exonerates them from that responsibility?
The club and the club doctor however are stuffed.
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I reckon the players will take this to court.
He stated very carefully that he signed the form that clearly stated what they were receiving but that it was given the ok by "the club and the club doctor".
To me he seemed to be very specific in that he signed off on something that both the club and doctor had signed off on so in his mind they are blameless in this regard.
If my son was recruited to the bombers and was embroiled in this whole scandal there would be no chance in hell that after signing that form my son would be responsible for taking a substance that was banned when the club doctor and the club signed off on it that it wasn't banned.
I'm not sure what a player was supposed to do in this scenario after they had already effectively arranged a form that basically exonerates them from that responsibility?
The club and the club doctor however are stuffed.
Ignorance is not a defence under WADA/ASADA rules, And ignorance appears to be what the players arguing
WADA will say that it is up to each individual to check for themselves and clarify.
Whatever happens it was a very foolish thing for Jobe to say on live TV
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Spot on WP tiges your wrong
Consent form??? Guess what they can't find it
It's lost as they conveniently tell us.
Players are on big money to check and then double check. Ignorance when your a professional is unacceptable
They should face a year out as a minimum
Bendigo to fill the void for TV rights
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bendigo to fill the void. LMAO they get flogged every week at VFL and you think they can fill the void at AFL level. That would surely take the AFL to a new level of being a total joke.
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I reckon the players will take this to court.
He stated very carefully that he signed the form that clearly stated what they were receiving but that it was given the ok by "the club and the club doctor".
To me he seemed to be very specific in that he signed off on something that both the club and doctor had signed off on so in his mind they are blameless in this regard.
If my son was recruited to the bombers and was embroiled in this whole scandal there would be no chance in hell that after signing that form my son would be responsible for taking a substance that was banned when the club doctor and the club signed off on it that it wasn't banned.
I'm not sure what a player was supposed to do in this scenario after they had already effectively arranged a form that basically exonerates them from that responsibility?
The club and the club doctor however are stuffed.
If u read rules this is no excuse :police:
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Bendigo to fill the void for TV rights
Essendon are no longer aligned with Bendigo so that's not an option ;D
Bumbling Bombers have there own stand alone VFL side these days, perhaps they will need to use the 15 odd blokes VFL listed blokes they have to fill the void :thumbsup
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Tim Watson talking poo
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Bendigo to fill the void for TV rights
Essendon are no longer aligned with Bendigo so that's not an option ;D
Bumbling Bombers have there own stand alone VFL side these days, perhaps they will need to use the 15 odd blokes VFL listed blokes they have to fill the void :thumbsup
:thumbsup
regardless all bodes for some interesting times ahead for that disgraceful club.
they have gone past the blues now. Salary Cap cheating now this.
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Tim Watson is as deluded as the Essen skata footy club if he thinks we are buying into what he is saying. For what it's worth Watson has been talking malakies all through this saga dating back to when he took the coaching job at St.Kilda. :wallywink
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Bendigo to fill the void for TV rights
Essendon are no longer aligned with Bendigo so that's not an option ;D
Bumbling Bombers have there own stand alone VFL side these days, perhaps they will need to use the 15 odd blokes VFL listed blokes they have to fill the void :thumbsup
:thumbsup
regardless all bodes for some interesting times ahead for that disgraceful club.
they have gone past the blues now. Salary Cap cheating now this.
They are all from the same pod Carlcheat and Essen skata.
Rorters of the rules to the highest degree.
To me they are the same low life filth.
This was just a new more modern way to cheat based on what the blues got busted doing in 2002.
Hope they pay for it dearly. That is my concern. :shh
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Tim Watson is as deluded as the Essen skata footy club if he thinks we are buying into what he is saying. For what it's worth Watson has been talking malakies all through this saga dating back to when he took the coaching job at St.Kilda. :wallywink
Tim thinks he is Obama.
Can't spin out of this champ. Your son is a cheat.
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Tim Watson is as deluded as the Essen skata footy club if he thinks we are buying into what he is saying. For what it's worth Watson has been talking malakies all through this saga dating back to when he took the coaching job at St.Kilda. :wallywink
hahahahahahaha
Tucker and Bents have made this thread very enjoyable to read i must admit.
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I reckon the players will take this to court.
He stated very carefully that he signed the form that clearly stated what they were receiving but that it was given the ok by "the club and the club doctor".
To me he seemed to be very specific in that he signed off on something that both the club and doctor had signed off on so in his mind they are blameless in this regard.
If my son was recruited to the bombers and was embroiled in this whole scandal there would be no chance in hell that after signing that form my son would be responsible for taking a substance that was banned when the club doctor and the club signed off on it that it wasn't banned.
I'm not sure what a player was supposed to do in this scenario after they had already effectively arranged a form that basically exonerates them from that responsibility?
The club and the club doctor however are stuffed.
Ignorance is not a defence under WADA/ASADA rules, And ignorance appears to be what the players arguing
WADA will say that it is up to each individual to check for themselves and clarify.
Whatever happens it was a very foolish thing for Jobe to say on live TV
So hypothetically, your son is amongst the players at Essendon, that have this cloud of doubt hanging over his head.
What else was he supposed to do?
First of all you trust the club and the club doctor.
Secondly you have signed a form that states clearly the drugs used in the program are compliant under the rules and are signed off by ASADA.
What else was your son meant to do in this case?
Take the drug to a chemist for private testing?
I'm not supporting the club in this case at all but looking at in the light of the players perspective I know that if it was my son I'd be fighting to clear his name in this and I'd certainly be furious at the club and most of all the club doctor for allowing this to happen.
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So hypothetically, your son is amongst the players at Essendon, that have this cloud of doubt hanging over his head.
What else was he supposed to do?
First of all you trust the club and the club doctor.
Secondly you have signed a form that states clearly the drugs used in the program are compliant under the rules and are signed off by ASADA.
What else was your son meant to do in this case?
Take the drug to a chemist for private testing?
I'm not supporting the club in this case at all but looking at in the light of the players perspective I know that if it was my son I'd be fighting to clear his name in this and I'd certainly be furious at the club and most of all the club doctor for allowing this to happen.
Seriously, if my 18 yo son in his first season came home and said they want me to sign this form I'd want to know why? it's not like it was common practice.
So the question is why now suddenly does this club want my kid to sign something no other club gets their players to do?
I would then get on the phone to his manager and ask him is this normal? Do other clubs do it? If not why not?
Supposedly the players were told prior to them being issued with the forms that this "programe" was "cutting edge stuff", so that would be enough of an alarm bell for me to tell my kid not to sign.
You ask what else was he supposed to do? Not sign the form. The EFC could not force him to sign. I would hope that my kid would have the courage to question rather than being a sheep. If he did sign it and then I found out I'd be onto the my kids manager so quick demanding answers.
When it comes to drugs being in used in a program supposedly "cutting edge" you'd want absolute proof. Players get educated when it comes to drugs and the one thing they are told - if there is any doubt don't take it. To be asked to sign a form that no other player at any other club had to sign should have been enough of a flag to people to ask questions and demand answers. And if those answers were not forthcoming then I'd check it out for myself.
As I said ignorance is rightly; no defence under the rules of WADA/ASADA. If it was then more than half of the drug cheats in sport would not have been banned.
The players at the EFC need to take responsibilty for their actions whether that's the youngest or oldest bloke on the list. That's what I'd expect my kid to do take responsibility
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So hypothetically, your son is amongst the players at Essendon, that have this cloud of doubt hanging over his head.
What else was he supposed to do?
First of all you trust the club and the club doctor.
Secondly you have signed a form that states clearly the drugs used in the program are compliant under the rules and are signed off by ASADA.
What else was your son meant to do in this case?
Take the drug to a chemist for private testing?
I'm not supporting the club in this case at all but looking at in the light of the players perspective I know that if it was my son I'd be fighting to clear his name in this and I'd certainly be furious at the club and most of all the club doctor for allowing this to happen.
Seriously, if my 18 yo son in his first season came home and said they want me to sign this form I'd want to know why? it's not like it was common practice.
So the question is why now suddenly does this club want my kid to sign something no other club gets their players to do?
I would then get on the phone to his manager and ask him is this normal? Do other clubs do it? If not why not?
Supposedly the players were told prior to them being issued with the forms that this "programe" was "cutting edge stuff", so that would be enough of an alarm bell for me to tell my kid not to sign.
You ask what else was he supposed to do? Not sign the form. The EFC could not force him to sign. I would hope that my kid would have the courage to question rather than being a sheep. If he did sign it and then I found out I'd be onto the my kids manager so quick demanding answers.
When it comes to drugs being in used in a program supposedly "cutting edge" you'd want absolute proof. Players get educated when it comes to drugs and the one thing they are told - if there is any doubt don't take it. To be asked to sign a form that no other player at any other club had to sign should have been enough of a flag to people to ask questions and demand answers. And if those answers were not forthcoming then I'd check it out for myself.
As I said ignorance is rightly; no defence under the rules of WADA/ASADA. If it was then more than half of the drug cheats in sport would not have been banned.
The players at the EFC need to take responsibilty for their actions whether that's the youngest or oldest bloke on the list. That's what I'd expect my kid to do take responsibility
My understanding was that the club didnt ask for the forms, the senior players wanted assurances that the club and the club doctor were accountable to ASADA's regulations especially considering this program was cutting edge, so they asked for the new supplement program to be compliant and they wanted it in writing and by signing it the players were agreeing to the program on the basis that what they were given was compliant under the regulations.
If the club and the doctor have supposedly done all the checks then you would think you'd be safe.
Secondly as Mcveigh has already explained that the supplements issued were all listed so there wasn't any secret to any of them in what they were taking.
If you can't trust your employer or the club doctor who can you trust?
I'm not sure a player manager would have as much insight as a club doctor either.
What I found interesting from Jobe's interview last night was that he clearly mentioned both the club and the club doctor had given the assurances that the program was safe and compliant under the current rules at the time.
What's even more interesting is the deafening silence of the club doctor in all this.
The letter of concerns he supposedly wrote nobody can find. Why didn't he email it to some people?
The media haven't mentioned him at all as accountable other than stating how esteemed he is in the industry.
The club stuffed up big time and should be seriously punished by the AFL.
The club doctor was inept if this was allowed under his supervision. He should never be allowed near a sporting club again.
I don't think it's that easy to blame the players in all this as I think in hindsight its easy to say what you would do but at the time trust plays a big part in it all.
How many current players ask their club doctor what they're injecting each time they are injected? Or do they ring their managers first to get permission so the doctor can do his job?
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I can cope with players not being banned if the club is stripped of premiership points for this season, medals handed back, banned from participation in more than one draft, fined in excess of $2M, Hird & Thompson are stood down, and they are labelled forever the drug cheats that they are.
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Jobe was a guest on the coch tonight and admitted taking AOD but still thinks he did nothing wrong.
That whole club are seriously dilluded. They have to be gawn seriously.
Robbo's has sent out a tweet saying Jobe will regret admitting that on live tv
It's like the Bumbers are some kind of cult and all players, coaches and supporters have been brainwashed.
An athlete was suspended for 18 months FFS and all he did was order a banned substance, he didn't even use it!!
Bye bye Bombers, if your fans weren't such idiots then I might feel a little bit sorry for you.
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Jobe was a guest on the coch tonight and admitted taking AOD but still thinks he did nothing wrong.
That whole club are seriously dilluded. They have to be gawn seriously.
Robbo's has sent out a tweet saying Jobe will regret admitting that on live tv
It's like the Bumbers are some kind of cult and all players, coaches and supporters have been brainwashed.
An athlete was suspended for 18 months FFS and all he did was order a banned substance, he didn't even use it!!
Bye bye Bombers, if your fans weren't such idiots then I might feel a little bit sorry for you.
Trav Casserley took 2 sudafed & got banned for 2 years !!!
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My understanding was that the club didnt ask for the forms, the senior players wanted assurances that the club and the club doctor were accountable to ASADA's regulations especially considering this program was cutting edge, so they asked for the new supplement program to be compliant and they wanted it in writing and by signing it the players were agreeing to the program on the basis that what they were given was compliant under the regulations.
If this is true then the players are bigger "dills" than I thought. If they wanted in writing assurances that everything was compliant and then not one of them bothered to investigate the compliance levels themselves they are complete morons.
They were clearly concerned, clearly, so why didn't someone, anyone go off to the ASADA or WADA website themselves and bloody well check? Rather than saying to the Club you check and put it in writing and will sign off on it. It isn't hard to research these things yourself.
If the club and the doctor have supposedly done all the checks then you would think you'd be safe.
Essendon have 2 doctors BTW but more on that later.
But as I said above if you have concerns then invesitgate it yourself. They had concerns and what did these "dills' do? They just said "tell us it's compliant and that'll do us". Please give me a break
Secondly as Mcveigh has already explained that the supplements issued were all listed so there wasn't any secret to any of them in what they were taking.
That's certainly not what he said Ch7 a couple of weeks back. He said he found out in his interview that he'd been given things that he didn't know about. So which is it? Sadly, when it comes to McVeigh and his comments on this I don't listen as he blames eveyone else (the rogue element) but himself and the Club
If you can't trust your employer or the club doctor who can you trust?
As a professional sportsmen and knowing the penalities regarding taking drugs in your chosen professional I would think you trust yourself first and others 2nd. And lets not kid ourselves using your scenario they didn't trust their Club or the wouldn't have asked for the assurances
I'm not sure a player manager would have as much insight as a club doctor either.
I never said the player manager would know more than a doctor. But a player manager would have the answers to the question I raised about these forms. Not only that it is a plater manager's role is to look out for the best interest of his client, informing him means he has a duty of care to look into these matters on his clients behalf
What I found interesting from Jobe's interview last night was that he clearly mentioned both the club and the club doctor had given the assurances that the program was safe and compliant under the current rules at the time.
What's even more interesting is the deafening silence of the club doctor in all this.
The letter of concerns he supposedly wrote nobody can find. Why didn't he email it to some people?
The media haven't mentioned him at all as accountable other than stating how esteemed he is in the industry.
The club stuffed up big time and should be seriously punished by the AFL.
The club doctor was inept if this was allowed under his supervision. He should never be allowed near a sporting club again.
Just to pull you up here.
Essendon has 2 doctors. One is a their long standing one Dr Reid. He is the one who wrote the letter and it was indeed emailed to people, Evans their chairman has confirmed this. 2 people who it was emailed to are no longer at the Club, Suggest you ask them what happened to the letter and why they didn't infomr the board.
Secondly, it was Dr Reid who went to the EFC board over this and raised his concerns about what Danks was doing.
It has also been reported that a number of the injections happened off site without a doctor being present, which in itself is a serious breach of WADA/ASADA rules. Players have confirmed this and said Club doctors were not present
So I am not sure how you can whack a doctor for something he didn't know about. When he found out he did something about it
Want to go about whacking people whack the golden child Coach who gave Danks unlimited freedom despite the concerns of the chief medico (again reported and not denied by anyone within the EFC)
I don't think it's that easy to blame the players in all this as I think in hindsight its easy to say what you would do but at the time trust plays a big part in it all.
How many current players ask their club doctor what they're injecting each time they are injected? Or do they ring their managers first to get permission so the doctor can do his job?
Re your final comment, I never said anything about getting a players managers permission to partake in the program. What I suggested is if as a player or a parent of a player you had any concerns then you could contact the manager and find out of this sort of program was the norm in the industry. Massive difference
We are not talking to about getting jab for pain, we are not talking about getting a legal tablet to treat a cold or headache. We are talking about a program that was "cutting edge" and involved doing things that are not stock standard in the industry (eg going off site for injections without a doctor present). You have a right to ask questions. You should be asking questions. You fail to do that then you have to face the consequences of your actions or more to the point your stupidity
The players must take responsibility here rather than saying I did nothing wrong. Because on the surface they did do something wrong.
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Spot on WP tiges your wrong
Consent form??? Guess what they can't find it
It's lost as they conveniently tell us.
You'd think the consent form had something along the lines of "Essendon FC don't hold responsibility for any side effects and legal trouble these supplements get you in." If they are actually real you'd think they're something you'd keep very very safe and if I was given a consent form as a player or even a regular joe at the doctors I'd be asking for a copy to keep for myself.
Also, it doesn't matter if Jobe is telling the truth and he thought the drug was legit or not, he can't stay in the competition because it's just not fair on other players who bust their gut and fat boy couldn't so he had help with AOD.
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You give some really good points WP.
I'm just playing devils advocate here on the players behalf.
Absolutely agree that Hird has to go. The media won't like it and there will be plenty of debate over the "golden boy". But as he's already stated in the original club press conference was that he takes full responsibility for what's happened. More the likely Hirds mates in the media will conveniently forget all about what he said.
The club will have to be heavily punished too.
In light of the arguements, common sense & evidence you've so expertly put forward, there are still a few questions left unanswered;
Did any player at the club inform their parents or player managers about the program?
Did altleast one parent or player manager know about this?
If they did, did they approach the club for clarification on what was given to their kids/clients?
As you've already stated its mindboggling if atleast one parent or manager or the players association didnt know about this. And if they didn't, why didnt they know? Was it so top secret the club informed the players not to talk about it to anyone?
That said I still think the players will fight tooth and nail to clear their names.
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Pretty sure they players had to sign confidentiality agreements, or that formed part of the consent form???
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You give some really good points WP.
I'm just playing devils advocate here on the players behalf.
Absolutely agree that Hird has to go. The media won't like it and there will be plenty of debate over the "golden boy". But as he's already stated in the original club press conference was that he takes full responsibility for what's happened. More the likely Hirds mates in the media will conveniently forget all about what he said.
The club will have to be heavily punished too.
In light of the arguements, common sense & evidence you've so expertly put forward, there are still a few questions left unanswered;
Did any player at the club inform their parents or player managers about the program?
Did altleast one parent or player manager know about this?
If they did, did they approach the club for clarification on what was given to their kids/clients?
As you've already stated its mindboggling if atleast one parent or manager or the players association didnt know about this. And if they didn't, why didnt they know? Was it so top secret the club informed the players not to talk about it to anyone?
That said I still think the players will fight tooth and nail to clear their names.
Just a question for you. If all your points were true i.e. players took illegal substances but they prove they were told they were legal by the club, do you still ban players from playing or at a minimum don't let them play for points? Or do you sack the staff involved but let the players continue to play?
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THE WORLD Anti-Doping Agency has reaffirmed the banned status of AOD-9604 after Essendon captain Jobe Watson admitted he'd been injected with the substance.
Watson insists he has done nothing wrong, having followed advice from Essendon medical staff, and he was surprised by WADA's statement last month confirming the drug was banned.
But WADA president John Fahey said on Tuesday "nothing has changed" and repeated the obligations athletes are under.
"You are responsible for what goes into your system, it's a strict liability."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-25/jobe-liable-for-drug-use-wada
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there is extenuating circumstances clause for reduction in penalty. there is a link in this thread to the newspaper article and it was mentioned by some bloke who was involved in the green? team cycling doping investigation on the ABC this morning.
I wonder how many of those saying that the players should have gone out and done their own research after being given assurances by the club staff it was all above board, gobble down all the pills their doctors prescribe to them without doing research to learn the side effects, or if it is even necessary or appropriate for the condition they seek help on?
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there is extenuating circumstances clause for reduction in penalty. there is a link in this thread to the newspaper article and it was mentioned by some bloke who was involved in the green? team cycling doping investigation on the ABC this morning.
I wonder how many of those saying that the players should have gone out and done their own research after being given assurances by the club staff it was all above board, gobble down all the pills their doctors prescribe to them without doing research to learn the side effects, or if it is even necessary or appropriate for the condition they seek help on?
How many doctors tell you the drugs you are taking are "cutting edge" and make you sign consent forms and make you meet someone else in an abandoned shed to get them injected into you.
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there is extenuating circumstances clause for reduction in penalty. there is a link in this thread to the newspaper article and it was mentioned by some bloke who was involved in the green? team cycling doping investigation on the ABC this morning.
I wonder how many of those saying that the players should have gone out and done their own research after being given assurances by the club staff it was all above board, gobble down all the pills their doctors prescribe to them without doing research to learn the side effects, or if it is even necessary or appropriate for the condition they seek help on?
not me, but hey my doctor doesn't inject things in me and if he wanted to and i was getting paid big bucks i would be doing my research make no mistake about that instead of relying on some d grade scientists with links to organized crime who make me sign forms that are "lost"
If my doctor was taking me away for injections i would raising some serious alarm bells.
If anything the Essendon players should be charged with being idiots. What fools they are thinking all was right being taking off premises.
ooh Spike Mcveigh. haha the bloke lost the little credibility he had left when he let fly at Reimers for sleeping during team meetings while they discussed vitamin injections or something along those lines
ooh Spike how you look the fool now.
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You give some really good points WP.
I'm just playing devils advocate here on the players behalf.
Absolutely agree that Hird has to go. The media won't like it and there will be plenty of debate over the "golden boy". But as he's already stated in the original club press conference was that he takes full responsibility for what's happened. More the likely Hirds mates in the media will conveniently forget all about what he said.
The club will have to be heavily punished too.
In light of the arguements, common sense & evidence you've so expertly put forward, there are still a few questions left unanswered;
Did any player at the club inform their parents or player managers about the program?
Did altleast one parent or player manager know about this?
If they did, did they approach the club for clarification on what was given to their kids/clients?
As you've already stated its mindboggling if atleast one parent or manager or the players association didnt know about this. And if they didn't, why didnt they know? Was it so top secret the club informed the players not to talk about it to anyone?
That said I still think the players will fight tooth and nail to clear their names.
Just a question for you. If all your points were true i.e. players took illegal substances but they prove they were told they were legal by the club, do you still ban players from playing or at a minimum don't let them play for points? Or do you sack the staff involved but let the players continue to play?
No idea. But I'd expect the club to pay dearly. Hird to get the arse don't see him getting out of this mess and if he does it would be an absolute joke.
As a player I would be fighting to clear my name and I'd expect the PA to fight with me to do it.
If I was banned I'd be suing the club also.
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How many doctors tell you the drugs you are taking are "cutting edge" and make you sign consent forms and make you meet someone else in an abandoned shed to get them injected into you.
I prefer the term 'drug dungeon'
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Today's events.
Tim Watson is a fool. He should not be talking about it period. Especially as his son captains the club.
The club is in serious dire straits.
To me it smacks of desperation from Jobe.
Almost like get this over and done with give us our team sanctioned penalty and lets get on with it whether it be next year or the year after with or without premiership points or draft picks.
ASADA are saying findings to be released in August I think last nights admission might just speed up that process to mid July IMHO.
As for Mark McVeigh from talking about vitamin C being injected which doesn't to his malakia about what tact his interview took to antyhing he says the guy is a moron of A+++ category.
The book will be thrown at Essen skata last night proves this and I am going to feast on their carcass if the punishments fit the crimes. :thumbsup
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How many doctors tell you the drugs you are taking are "cutting edge" and make you sign consent forms and make you meet someone else in an abandoned shed to get them injected into you.
I prefer the term 'drug dungeon'
If they went 5k up the road they could have gone to Broady and topped up on crystal meth.
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there is extenuating circumstances clause for reduction in penalty. there is a link in this thread to the newspaper article and it was mentioned by some bloke who was involved in the green? team cycling doping investigation on the ABC this morning.
I wonder how many of those saying that the players should have gone out and done their own research after being given assurances by the club staff it was all above board, gobble down all the pills their doctors prescribe to them without doing research to learn the side effects, or if it is even necessary or appropriate for the condition they seek help on?
How many doctors tell you the drugs you are taking are "cutting edge" and make you sign consent forms and make you meet someone else in an abandoned shed to get them injected into you.
whats this about an abandoned shed? i must have missed that part.
Doctors normally dont say anything about what they prescribe, just how often to take. People just follow their advice with blind faith because they are seen by most as someone they can trust.
If the players were told everything was above board, then i can understand why most would not take it any further, even if i personally would. 95 % of people are sheep.
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whats this about an abandoned shed? i must have missed that part.
It wasn't an abandoned shed al,
But it has been reported and confirmed that the players went off site to have the injections and they were not administered by the Club doctor or administered with a club doctor present. Which is a clear breach of the WADA/ASADA codes
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@ Essendon - :wallywink
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Watson can't escape doping violation: ex-ASADA boss
Date: June 25, 2013 - 3:53PM (0)
Samantha Lane Sports Writer
EXCLUSIVE
FORMER Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority boss Richard Ings believes it is now impossible for Jobe Watson, and any other Essendon player who admits to taking AOD-9604, to avoid a doping rule violation charge.
Under World Anti-Doping Agency rules, athletes found to have committed an anti-doping rule violation face suspensions between six months and two years.
Speaking to Fairfax Media after Watson confessed publicly to taking an anti-obesity drug prohibited by the World Anti-Doping Agency, Ings forecast complex legal challenges about the status of the substance. But the ex-ASADA boss says it is now inevitable that the reigning Brownlow medallist and Essendon captain, who said in a stunning television interview on Monday night that he knowingly took AOD-9604, and other players who admit taking the substance, will face anti-doping rule violation charges.
“I cannot see a path going forward that does not involve one or more individuals being found to have committed an anti-doping rule violation,” Ings told Fairfax Media on Tuesday.
“I hold that view because now it has been confirmed that players were involved in using AOD-9604, the substance which WADA has announced is banned under the World Anti-Doping Agency code.
“Whilst there is no doubt that there will be legal challenges as to the status of AOD-9604, WADA appears to have a resolute view that the substance is banned.”
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/watson-cant-escape-doping-violation-exasada-boss-20130625-2ouew.html#ixzz2XCn3WvFX
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there is extenuating circumstances clause for reduction in penalty. there is a link in this thread to the newspaper article and it was mentioned by some bloke who was involved in the green? team cycling doping investigation on the ABC this morning.
I wonder how many of those saying that the players should have gone out and done their own research after being given assurances by the club staff it was all above board, gobble down all the pills their doctors prescribe to them without doing research to learn the side effects, or if it is even necessary or appropriate for the condition they seek help on?
How many doctors tell you the drugs you are taking are "cutting edge" and make you sign consent forms and make you meet someone else in an abandoned shed to get them injected into you.
whats this about an abandoned shed? i must have missed that part.
Doctors normally dont say anything about what they prescribe, just how often to take. People just follow their advice with blind faith because they are seen by most as someone they can trust.
If the players were told everything was above board, then i can understand why most would not take it any further, even if i personally would. 95 % of people are sheep.
True Al. When my dad was in hospital they were giving him all sorts of meds to cure him. I didn't worry about it too much because I thought they were doing the right thing by him. But my sister who lived in a completely different state is pedantic about this sort of thing did a bunch of research behind the scenes and found out that some of the medication he was on weren't allowed to be taken together because of the serious medical issues it could produce if mixed. She kicked up a hell of a storm about it to the point where they were begging me to tell her to butt out.
I told them to do their job properly. It seemed at the time that certain doctors had their own opinions but forgot to confer with one another.
My grandmother was in a similar predicament. One doctor specifically took her off a medication that she had a bad reaction to but the nurses were still giving it to her.
And people wonder why some older people die in hospital. They say its from the sickness or because they're old but I wouldn't be surprised if it was because hospital incompetence and regular people fail to do the appropriate checks.
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whats this about an abandoned shed? i must have missed that part.
It wasn't an abandoned shed al,
It was a DRUG DUNGEON
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Watson admits to taking banned substance. AFL clears Watson to play this weekend. #seemslegit
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If Hird keeps his job footy will never be the same for me.
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Watson admits to taking banned substance. AFL clears Watson to play this weekend. #seemslegit
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/former-richmond-ruckman-justin-charles-says-afl-covered-up-information-when-he-tested-positive-to-boldenone-in-1997/story-e6frf3e3-1226082489408#.Uck70mCJkdM
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it's their natue
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After the horrendous time I had with the braying Bummer hordes in the aftermath of the last Dreamtime game, I can't wait for the skip bin load of manure that's about to be dumped on their filthy cheating club. I wish there was one of those little smile-y icons kicking back with its' feet up, and a bucket of popcorn.
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Jobe Watson was less forthcoming today. All he said he won't comment any further and he's waiting for the ASADA investigation to be made public. Essendon will make an official statement later tonight on the Bombers' website.
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AFL says Essendon captain Jobe Watson will be allowed to play this week despite drugs admission
Mark Robinson and Carly Crawford
From: Herald Sun
June 25, 2013 2:11PM
THE world anti-doping body says there are no "ifs or buts" about banned substances.
WADA boss John Fahey was firm in his stance there are no excuses for taking performance-enhancing drugs after Essendon captain Jobe Watson revealed he had taken a substance he believed to be AOD-9604, a peptide banned for use by athletes.
The AFL will not stop Watson playing this week despite his admissions on Fox Footy's On the Couch last night.
Watson's public revelations were already known to the AFL via the joint ASADA-AFL investigation, and the AFL knows how many players have taken the anti-obesity drug.
The AFL maintains its stance the process of the investigation must be completed before ascertaining if any penalty on a player or on the club is required.
The Bombers face West Coast in Perth on Thursday night.
Fahey told the Herald Sun today nothing had changed since the global anti-doping body issued a statement clarifying that AOD-9604 had been banned since January 2011.
"I'm sure ASADA has noted what's been said overnight (by Watson) and I'm sure that will be factored into the current investigation and they'll deal with it appropriately at the appropriate time,'' Fahey said.
Watson spoke briefly to reporters outside his home this afternoon.
"The investigation with the AFL and ASADA is ongoing and I look forward to that investigation and it's findings being made public," he said.
"But I can't comment more on the specifics of the investigation."
Fahey would not discuss Watson's admission to using AOD-9604 specifically, but said anti-doping rules were clear.
"Ninety-five percent of athletes blame someone else,'' he said.
"There's strict liability here, there are no ifs or buts - if it's in your system, you take the consequences.
"The moment it's in your system, you're gone, full stop.''
Mr Fahey said it would be up to an individual sporting body -- in this case the AFL -- to decide whether to strip away Watson's Brownlow medal.
"Medals are taken off athletes all the time. Lance Armstrong lost his bronze medal from the Sydney Olympics it's going on all the time,'' he said.
Fahey said WADA would only become involved in the Essendon doping probe if they thought there had been some sort of injustice.
"If we believe someone did not deal with the case appropriately, we've got a right of appeal on behalf of the sporting body or on behalf of the athlete,'' he said.
Essendon is expected to clarify Watson's comments this afternoon by declaring the club has not conceded banned drugs were administered to players.
The Bombers' stance centres on whether the anti-obesity drug is a banned substance.
The club believed that AOD-9604 was not a prohibited drug, and that they had documentation to prove it.
There is also a possibility, despite years of clinical trials, that the weight-reducing peptide may not work.
Former ASADA boss Richard Ings said today he doubts the Bombers will be cleared by the ASADA investigation but Watson's comments could result in a reduction in the standard two-year ban for using performance enhancing drugs.
"I just can't see how this PED (performance-enhancing drug) use, even if not deliberate, can avoid some sort of individual or team sanction,'' Ings said today.
Ings, who was boss at ASADA for five years, took to Twitter to shed light on the development.
He said Watson's admission could reduce any possible sanction.
"I can't guess the PR strategy but any player(s) being open, honest and cooperative likely to receive lower sanctions,'' Ings tweeted.
"while of course it is better not to have taken PED's, admissions &; coop will see that player best placed to minimise penalties.
"Taking AOD9604 is a doping offence. The penalty can vary based on the players fault and critically the players cooperation.
"reality is if there was no intent by a player and he fully cooperates then 6 month ban is realistic.''
- with Eliza Sewell
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-says-essendon-captain-jobe-watson-will-be-allowed-to-play-this-week-despite-drugs-admission/story-fndv8gad-1226669557254
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If Hird keeps his job footy will never be the same for me.
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Delusional Dons must pay the price
June 25, 2013 - 5:12PM
The Age
By Caroline Wilson
Jobe Watson's deliberate admission that he took a substance banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency on the advice of his football club has again exposed Essendon's recklessness and failure to care for the welfare of its most precious asset.
The Brownlow medallist, sincere in his defiant stand that he had done nothing wrong, has also raised serious questions about the role of club doctor Bruce Reid in the sorry affair and – in the short term – placed more pressure on the AFL.
While Watson's revelations on Fox Footy on Monday night presumably duplicated what he told the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, the fact they are now public demands wider scrutiny on the game's governing body and has begged the most immediate question: Should Watson be playing for Essendon on Thursday night?
There is no suggestion that Watson is performing on the football field with the benefit of any unnatural en-hancement, but the fact remains he won a Brownlow in a season in which that may have happened. Even on Monday night, Watson could not say he truly knew what he had been injected with or taken.
He spoke of an injecting regime he had not seen previously and of a new "frontier" leaving others to judge who were the cowboys in that shameful scenario.
Clearly, the Bombers' captain chose to reveal what he did for a reason and in doing so has drawn a clear line in the sand between the players and the club that let them down. The interview on On The Couch took the club and the AFL and the players’ union by surprise and reflected Watson’s mindset in the expansive manner in which he chose to answer some more pertinent questions.
Doctor Bruce Reid sits firmly in the club camp where the line is concerned. Again he refused to speak to Fairfax Media on Tuesday saying through a third party that as much as he would love to, he could not. Reid has always cited the ongoing nature of the investigation for his ill-advised silence even though that has not stopped Watson or former teammate Mark McVeigh from choosing to reveal what they have.
"I signed that consent form," said Watson. "My understanding after it being given through Bruce Reid and the club that I was receiving AOD. (I believed) that it was legal at the time and that's what I was told I was being given."
Watson on Monday night was referring to AOD-9604 – an anti-obesity drug also promoted for its qualities in helping athletes' endurance and running abilities. Whatever Essendon, ASADA and Stephen Dank may claim, the fact is the World Anti-Doping Authority has confirmed the drug was banned because it had not been approved for human use.
And yet the Essendon players were told it was legal and that information came from Bruce Reid and Dank. Reid's concerns, voiced in a letter never adequately acted on, now seem embarrassingly inadequate. If Reid was frozen out or marginalised as he has claimed, then he should have spoken up. Why did the doctor never take his concerns to the board? Or did he? Was Reid, too, rendered powerless in his unconditional belief in the coach?
Coach James Hird, who approved and pushed the substances program, believes he demonstrated a duty of care by sending a brief email instructing high performance boss Dean Robinson to ensure the players were taking nothing harmful or illegal under anti-doping codes.
And Hird declared back in April that the club would be in a very good position once this investigation had been completed. This demonstrates that Mark Neeld is not the only AFL coach in 2013 who appears to be in denial.
The same goes for Hird's senior assistant Mark Thompson who also seems to be in denial regarding his role in introducing the new sport science regime into the club. The prevailing view is that Thompson will be gone from the club by the end of the season. Hird, as we have repeatedly said, must also be held accountable with, at the very least, a suspension.
At the start of every AFL season, the league's medical officers visit every club. Part of their address includes a series of multiple choice questions including one concerning the appropriate response to a questionable substance. The correct answer is that the player must raise any concerns to the club doctor.
In fact the instruction, "Ask the club doctor", is aired repeatedly during the instructional video shown by the medical officers. This is damning for Reid even if he believes ASADA misinformed him. Where sacred cows are confirmed at Windy Hill, Reid sits not far below Hird and yet he too now stands accused of failing his players.
Whether the fact the players followed the AFL's medical instructions to the letter can save them remains to be seen, but it should not save Essendon from a sanction significantly more serious than a heavy fine.
Nor should it save the cowboys who oversaw the new frontier.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/delusional-dons-must-pay-the-price-20130625-2ous7.html#ixzz2XD9lEAh8
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Essendon Football Club Statement
essendonfc.com.au
5:11pm AEST Tuesday, June 25, 2013
There is still an ongoing investigation by the AFL and ASADA initiated by the Essendon Football Club.
The Club and our players are fully cooperating with the investigation. This is a complex and difficult area, but our club considers that our players have acted reasonably during the 2012 season.
The Club notes that it is yet to be determined whether any of our players in the 2012 season were given prohibited or performance enhancing substances.
We look forward to the finalisation of the ASADA investigation, and we thank our members for their ongoing support of our club and our players.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-06-25/club-statement
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In the words of the Indian man with his wee wee in a bowl of custard.
I am stuffing disgusted.
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http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64912&st=1575
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Can someone please clarify - was this abandoned shed on the clubs premises or somewhere else?
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I just watched the On The Couch replay of Jobe Watson's interview. It appeared to me that it was a very carefully scripted set of questions and answers. Neither Healy, nor Milhouse, nor Roos showed any shock about Jobe's admission. There were no follow up questions nor any probing. Watson's answers seemed to quite contrived and carefully phrased in legalese.
I can't work out why Jobe and his legal advisers determined that it would be beneficial to fess up last night, but if anyone is claiming that it was an off-th-cuff set of questions and answers, then I've got some shares in a bridge that I'd like to sell them.
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Whatever happens it was a very foolish thing for Jobe to say on live TV
I'm not sure if it matters WP. I reckon by Jobe's comments last night that he has likely been just as honest and forthright in his interview with ASADA and would have told them the exact same thing, so to publicly say it now will have no further impact on what is already going to happen. Just mho.
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I just watched the On The Couch replay of Jobe Watson's interview. It appeared to me that it was a very carefully scripted set of questions and answers. Neither Healy, nor Milhouse, nor Roos showed any shock about Jobe's admission. There were no follow up questions nor any probing. Watson's answers seemed to quite contrived and carefully phrased in legalese.
I can't work out why Jobe and his legal advisers determined that it would be beneficial to fess up last night, but if anyone is claiming that it was an off-th-cuff set of questions and answers, then I've got some shares in a bridge that I'd like to sell them.
Just watched it too Muscles and your summary is spot on. This is supposed to be a pretty big admission to make and a journo like Milhouse lol would normally have been salivating over breaking a 'story' like that.
To me the breaking part of that story is that the Watson's are flagging and explaining the legal stance that the Bombers are going to take once they are officially found to have taken a non-legal substance. Non legal by the way means illegal Ess you stuffing cheats. The other thing that should have had Sheahan in convulsions was when Watson fingered the club doctor. That definitely required more questioning, as he has been portrayed as being blindsided by the whole affair, but last night Watson said he took the injections based on his advice.
I think the AFL has got enough to go on now and should start making it's move on the Bombers. The Commission will have already decided on the punishment, it will look much better on our code if we are proactive about this!
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I just watched the On The Couch replay of Jobe Watson's interview. It appeared to me that it was a very carefully scripted set of questions and answers. Neither Healy, nor Milhouse, nor Roos showed any shock about Jobe's admission. There were no follow up questions nor any probing. Watson's answers seemed to quite contrived and carefully phrased in legalese.
I can't work out why Jobe and his legal advisers determined that it would be beneficial to fess up last night, but if anyone is claiming that it was an off-th-cuff set of questions and answers, then I've got some shares in a bridge that I'd like to sell them.
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Whatever happens it was a very foolish thing for Jobe to say on live TV
I'm not sure if it matters WP. I reckon by Jobe's comments last night that he has likely been just as honest and forthright in his interview with ASADA and would have told them the exact same thing, so to publicly say it now will have no further impact on what is already going to happen. Just mho.
By foolish I mean the stir/firestorm it was always going to create.
The headlines, the talkback, Father Tim giving his views (he should SU IMO), the media camped outside Jobe's front door waiting for him to appear and then his "1 minute comment" this arvo
No need for it, pretty sure it wasn't what the EFC wanted
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You give some really good points WP.
I'm just playing devils advocate here on the players behalf.
Absolutely agree that Hird has to go. The media won't like it and there will be plenty of debate over the "golden boy". But as he's already stated in the original club press conference was that he takes full responsibility for what's happened. More the likely Hirds mates in the media will conveniently forget all about what he said.
The club will have to be heavily punished too.
In light of the arguements, common sense & evidence you've so expertly put forward, there are still a few questions left unanswered;
Did any player at the club inform their parents or player managers about the program?
Did altleast one parent or player manager know about this?
If they did, did they approach the club for clarification on what was given to their kids/clients?
As you've already stated its mindboggling if atleast one parent or manager or the players association didnt know about this. And if they didn't, why didnt they know? Was it so top secret the club informed the players not to talk about it to anyone?
That said I still think the players will fight tooth and nail to clear their names.
Just a question for you. If all your points were true i.e. players took illegal substances but they prove they were told they were legal by the club, do you still ban players from playing or at a minimum don't let them play for points? Or do you sack the staff involved but let the players continue to play?
No idea. But I'd expect the club to pay dearly. Hird to get the arse don't see him getting out of this mess and if he does it would be an absolute joke.
As a player I would be fighting to clear my name and I'd expect the PA to fight with me to do it.
If I was banned I'd be suing the club also.
Fair enough I just have a strong opinion that if they took those drugs knowing they were illegal or not they shouldn't play or at least for prem points. It's just unfair.
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whats this about an abandoned shed? i must have missed that part.
It wasn't an abandoned shed al,
But it has been reported and confirmed that the players went off site to have the injections and they were not administered by the Club doctor or administered with a club doctor present. Which is a clear breach of the WADA/ASADA codes
:lol Yeah I got a bit carried away with the abandoned shed bit, although it wouldn't surprise me.
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I just watched the On The Couch replay of Jobe Watson's interview. It appeared to me that it was a very carefully scripted set of questions and answers. Neither Healy, nor Milhouse, nor Roos showed any shock about Jobe's admission. There were no follow up questions nor any probing. Watson's answers seemed to quite contrived and carefully phrased in legalese.
I can't work out why Jobe and his legal advisers determined that it would be beneficial to fess up last night, but if anyone is claiming that it was an off-th-cuff set of questions and answers, then I've got some shares in a bridge that I'd like to sell them.
Just watched it too Muscles and your summary is spot on. This is supposed to be a pretty big admission to make and a journo like Milhouse lol would normally have been salivating over breaking a 'story' like that.
To me the breaking part of that story is that the Watson's are flagging and explaining the legal stance that the Bombers are going to take once they are officially found to have taken a non-legal substance. Non legal by the way means illegal Ess you stuffing cheats. The other thing that should have had Sheahan in convulsions was when Watson fingered the club doctor. That definitely required more questioning, as he has been portrayed as being blindsided by the whole affair, but last night Watson said he took the injections based on his advice.
I think the AFL has got enough to go on now and should start making it's move on the Bombers. The Commission will have already decided on the punishment, it will look much better on our code if we are proactive about this!
Spot on guys. I noticed this too. As I've already stated he was very careful in what he said.
But what was most interesting to me was that he repeated the fact that the club and the club doctor has ensured the program was ok.
This was certainly very carefully worded. He must of said it altleast 3 times.
This is why I think it wasn't necessarily good for the bombers because he basically pointed the finger right back at both the club and the club doctor (Bruce Reid).
I think he's getting on the front foot here and it wouldn't suprise me if the Watsons went all the way with this to clear Jobe of any responsibility.
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Whatever happens it was a very foolish thing for Jobe to say on live TV
I'm not sure if it matters WP. I reckon by Jobe's comments last night that he has likely been just as honest and forthright in his interview with ASADA and would have told them the exact same thing, so to publicly say it now will have no further impact on what is already going to happen. Just mho.
By foolish I mean the stir/firestorm it was always going to create.
The headlines, the talkback, Father Tim giving his views (he should SU IMO), the media camped outside Jobe's front door waiting for him to appear and then his "1 minute comment" this arvo
No need for it, pretty sure it wasn't what the EFC wanted
Fair enough. :thumbsup
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I just watched the On The Couch replay of Jobe Watson's interview. It appeared to me that it was a very carefully scripted set of questions and answers. Neither Healy, nor Milhouse, nor Roos showed any shock about Jobe's admission. There were no follow up questions nor any probing. Watson's answers seemed to quite contrived and carefully phrased in legalese.
I can't work out why Jobe and his legal advisers determined that it would be beneficial to fess up last night, but if anyone is claiming that it was an off-th-cuff set of questions and answers, then I've got some shares in a bridge that I'd like to sell them.
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:clapping
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How the Bombers might argue their case
By Peter Ryan
6:46pm AEST Tuesday, June 25, 2013
LEADING sports lawyer Paul Horvath says Essendon players may still be able to frame a solid defence if the ASADA investigation finds they took banned substances during 2012.
Horvath said although Essendon skipper Jobe Watson's revelation on Fox Footy's On the Couch that he believed he had taken AOD-9604 in 2012 was stark, the Bombers may raise plausible arguments to mitigate the players' culpability.
He said one possible defence was that an Essendon representative or the distributor of the product may have a letter from the Therapeutic Goods Administration [or other government agency] stating that the drug was not banned or unfit for human use and therefore did not sit within WADA's catch-all S.0 category.
A second defence that might be raised according to Horvath was that the ACC report released in February stated on four occasions that AOD-9604 was not banned at the time. He said the developers of that report would have been getting their advice from ASADA.
"Even at the highest level of government, people that had six or nine months to put their very important, very careful report together got it wrong, so how can other people not be forgiven for getting it wrong if the substance was banned when used?" Horvath said.
Making the point that he was speculating based on publicly available information, Horvath said that although Watson's public statement was a surprise, he was presumably just telling the interviewer what he had told investigators.
Despite WADA releasing a statement in April confirming that AOD-9604 was banned because it fell into the S.0 category as it was still under pre-clinical and clinical development and had not been approved for therapeutic use by any government health authority in the world, many industry insiders have admitted since the Essendon revelations there was confusion as to its status.
However, athletes understand that the WADA code carries a strong strict liability principle that makes players liable for any substance that enters their body.
Watson's admission came on the same evening as the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority Amendment Bill 2013 passed through the Senate to move a step closer to giving ASADA the power to compel individuals to produce documents and materials relating to an anti-doping investigation.
The bill needs to pass through the House of Representatives to become law, with hopes it will proceed on Wednesday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-25/how-the-dons-might-argue-their-case
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I hope they don't get banned until after round 23. I want to beat their full team and call out cheats and boo every player that touches the ball. :shh
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How can a substance banned under the S0 rule not have been banned before? Silly arguement
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Watson had been briefed by the Bombers and by his management not to answer any questions pertaining to the drugs scandal prior to going on 'On The Couch' on Monday night.
Watson's honesty took hold. Pushed, Watson said he signed the consent form, which listed AOD9604, and his belief was that he took it and that it was approved for consumption.
Read more at: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/victoria/bombers-sinking-in-muddied-pool-of-drugs-scandal/story-fnii5sms-1226669748162
FORMER ASADA boss Richard Ings says he could not see how Jobe Watson and possibly other Essendon players could escape an anti-doping tribunal hearing following Watson's admission he believed he took AOD9604.
Read more at: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/former-asada-boss-richard-ings-says-charges-against-essendon-players-appear-to-be-a-sure-thing/story-fndv8gad-1226669748810
THE world anti-doping boss has laid down the law to crisis-hit Essendon, declaring: "The moment it's in your system, you're gone, full stop."
As the Bombers were in damage control yesterday, World Anti-Doping Agency president John Fahey told the Herald Sun that there were no "ifs or buts" about banned substances.
'If it's in your system, you're gone'
"Ninety-five per cent of athletes blame someone else," Mr Fahey said.
"There's strict liability here ... if it's in your system, you take the consequences."
Read more at: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/victoria/w/story-fnii5sms-1226669739324#mm-breached
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Not quite the rocket scientist is our jobe :shh
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Not quite the rocket scientist is our jobe :shh
He'll take it to court. Lock it in.
Wouldn't be suprised if the players put in a class action against the club if they get banned.
Either way the bummers are screwed. :clapping
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Robbo has finally understood his club is stuffed. Rohan Connelly is still hoping ;D
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James Hird having a press conference at 9:30am.
Lets hope he does the honorable thing and stands himself down. :pray
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James Hird having a press conference at 9:30am.
Lets hope he does the honorable thing and stands himself down. :pray
As much chance of that as the Labor party winning the upcoming election :thumbsup
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complicated
complicated
complicated
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James Hird having a press conference at 9:30am.
Lets hope he does the honorable thing and stands himself down. :pray
As much chance of that as the Labor party winning the upcoming election :thumbsup
Just hoping WP. You never know.
... I'm still waiting for Julia to line up in the forward pocket at the bulldogs. ;D
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As expected Hird said nothing of substance
Said he wasn't disappointed in Jobe, but was surprised by his comments in the interview, supports Jobe and that Jobe's Brownlow is safe.
Blah, blah, blah
:wallywink
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Watson's Brownlow is safe: Hird
By Gary Walsh and Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
Wednesday, June 26, 2013
ESSENDON coach James Hird says he does not believe Jobe Watson's Browlow Medal is "in serious doubt" of being revoked after the Bomber skipper's revelation that he took a banned drug last season.
"With the facts I have, I don't believe it's in doubt," Hird told media at Windy Hill on Wednesday morning.
He admitted he had been surprised by Monday's TV interview in which Watson acknowledged taking anti-obesity drug AOD-9604, but said he was not disappointed in his captain, describing him as "his own man".
"I am never disappointed in Jobe Watson," he said, adding that he had not spoken to the captain about why he had made his public comments.
"Jobe Watson is a man of the highest integrity, highest character and a great person for our footy club."
AFL football operations manager Mark Evans said Watson's public comments only echoed what he had told those investigating Essendon's 2012 supplements program.
"It was an interesting decision for Jobe to do that, but I don't think that he has said anything there last night that he hasn't already told the ASADA and the AFL investigators,'' Evans told 6PR radio in Perth on Tuesday night.
Hird also revealed he had now warned all Essendon players about making public comments about the ongoing ASADA/AFL inquiry.
Hird described the issue as "very complicated" and said he wanted the investigation to be wrapped up so the club could speak openly.
"I have no concern for Jobe. We have confidence in the process we are going through.
"We all want to talk, but we respect the process."
Hird also expressed his support for club doctor Bruce Reid, who was implicated by Watson in the administering of the drug.
"Bruce Reid's worked at this footy club and this industry for 32 years, and has guided this club as the doctor in impeccable fashion and will continue to do so.
"Once we can talk about it, I think Bruce will be one of the first to get out and speak his mind."
Hird said no players had expressed concern about the club's medical staff, and he insisted that players had not derived any unfair advantage in 2012 from the controversial supplements program.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-26/hird-on-watson
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Haha most things Golden Boy says are usually a lie. Be prepared to hand it over Jobey
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Pushed, Watson said he signed the consent form, which listed AOD9604, and his belief was that he took it and that it was approved for consumption.
Read more at: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/victoria/bombers-sinking-in-muddied-pool-of-drugs-scandal/story-fnii5sms-1226669748162
Pushed? Pushed, did they say?? Pull the other one, it plays jingle bells!!! I've seen stronger pushing by the breeze at the pre-school playground swings! Fair dinkum ..... they've gotta be in someone's back pocket.
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Not the most reliable source but Barrett on the Footy Show was claiming Essendon's defence will be based on a legal technicality - that the AOD-9604 drug was banned but it wasn't illegal :huh. The Bombers will also try to claim the drug wasn't performance enhancing. Barrett reckons if Essendon are hit, they will go to court to fight it as ASADA has admitted it will be hard to prosecute the case in a court.
Dodgy as if true just like their supplement program ::).
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Not the most reliable source but Barrett on the Footy Show was claiming Essendon's defence will be based on a legal technicality - that the AOD-9604 drug was banned but it wasn't illegal :huh. The Bombers will also try to claim the drug wasn't performance enhancing. Barrett reckons if Essendon are hit, they will go to court to fight it as ASADA has admitted it will be hard to prosecute the case in a court.
Dodgy as if true just like their supplement program ::).
What so if its not illegal you have a good chance if you take it to court, is that what he is saying?
so if your an athlete and your take non illegal drugs that are banned its all good
Gee i hope that is just barrett talking his usual rubbish trying to make his job sound interesting.
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So we can go take any banned substance and then say well it's not against the law just these rubbish rules that govern the game. If you want to take banned drugs and claim they are legal stuff off out of AFL and go stuff around in the gym with your mates. :banghead
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Ch 7 tonight showed this quote from this February 2013 ACC report (page 14). Seems this will be Essendon's defence. That the ACC/ASADA weren't on the same page as WADA.
GROWTH HORMONE VARIANTS
AOD-9604 is a variant of growth hormone which has fat burning properties and may be used by athletes to increase power to weight ratios by better utilisation of fat stores. AOD-9604 is about to enter phase three clinical trials.
During phase two clinical trials it was also found to have an anabolic effect on cartilage tissue and may promote cartilage creation and repair and have a capacity to enhance muscle formation.
AOD-9604 is not currently a WADA prohibited substance.
http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/organised-crime-and-drugs-in-sports-feb2013.pdf
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Good luck with that
Was banned in 2011, they used it in 2012, that report came out in 2013
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It's disgusting that they won't be arguing that they cheated by taking PEDs. Instead, they'll be arguing a technicality via a loophole that their PED wasn't specifically banned that let's them off Scot free.
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I thought it was anything but disgusting the boos Watson got last night
Fair game pal when you cross the line just ask Milny
I'm off the opinion now the reason the AFL are keeping quiet is because they will get off
Remember the tanking. Very quiet and to be shown they did something gave them a slap on the wrist
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Ch 7 tonight showed this quote from this February 2013 ACC report (page 14). Seems this will be Essendon's defence. That the ACC/ASADA weren't on the same page as WADA.
GROWTH HORMONE VARIANTS
AOD-9604 is a variant of growth hormone which has fat burning properties and may be used by athletes to increase power to weight ratios by better utilisation of fat stores. AOD-9604 is about to enter phase three clinical trials.
During phase two clinical trials it was also found to have an anabolic effect on cartilage tissue and may promote cartilage creation and repair and have a capacity to enhance muscle formation.
AOD-9604 is not currently a WADA prohibited substance.
http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/organised-crime-and-drugs-in-sports-feb2013.pdf
Yeah that's what in that report but I believe it was said a few weeks after the report was released it was said that was a "Typo"
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I'm off the opinion now the reason the AFL are keeping quiet is because they will get off
Remember the tanking. Very quiet and to be shown they did something gave them a slap on the wrist
Yeah, if it was up to the AFL they would get off because we all know they have a track record of shoving their head up their bum on anything that damages their "brand" and making it go away. But WADA and/or ASADA wont let this thing just blow over. If they took it, they are GONE, as it should be. And the whole club will be made to pay, believe me.
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Ch 7 tonight showed this quote from this February 2013 ACC report (page 14). Seems this will be Essendon's defence. That the ACC/ASADA weren't on the same page as WADA.
GROWTH HORMONE VARIANTS
AOD-9604 is a variant of growth hormone which has fat burning properties and may be used by athletes to increase power to weight ratios by better utilisation of fat stores. AOD-9604 is about to enter phase three clinical trials.
During phase two clinical trials it was also found to have an anabolic effect on cartilage tissue and may promote cartilage creation and repair and have a capacity to enhance muscle formation.
AOD-9604 is not currently a WADA prohibited substance.
http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/organised-crime-and-drugs-in-sports-feb2013.pdf
cant see that working. any substance not approved for human use is automatically a prohibited substance, even if it is not specifically on the banned list
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Ch 7 tonight showed this quote from this February 2013 ACC report (page 14). Seems this will be Essendon's defence. That the ACC/ASADA weren't on the same page as WADA.
GROWTH HORMONE VARIANTS
AOD-9604 is a variant of growth hormone which has fat burning properties and may be used by athletes to increase power to weight ratios by better utilisation of fat stores. AOD-9604 is about to enter phase three clinical trials.
During phase two clinical trials it was also found to have an anabolic effect on cartilage tissue and may promote cartilage creation and repair and have a capacity to enhance muscle formation.
AOD-9604 is not currently a WADA prohibited substance.
http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/organised-crime-and-drugs-in-sports-feb2013.pdf
cant see that working. any substance not approved for human use is automatically a prohibited substance, even if it is not specifically on the banned list
true but where did this wording come from Al?
AOD-9604 is not currently a WADA prohibited substance.
was it a typo if so i don't remember seeing it.
Hird isn't a total fool, although that can be argued but their confidence is growing by the day. The silence from the AFL shows something is going on that we don't know about.
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Substances Prohibited At All Times
Any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the List and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g drugs under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer drugs, substances approved only for veterinary use) is prohibited.
http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-all-times/prohibited-substances/
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There is a massive legal loophole here with this document and the word I'm hearing is the Bombers are going to slip straight through it. Apparently the Bombers have had the document in question independently accessed by 3 different legal firms in 3 different country's and there all saying that ASADA and WADA don't have a leg to stand on because of it. Watch this space but it certainly looks like the club is going to get out of it 100% scott free ::) ::)
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What about the fact they injected (who cares what it was) off site away from doctors. That's illegal in itself
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There is a massive legal loophole here with this document and the word I'm hearing is the Bombers are going to slip straight through it. Apparently the Bombers have had the document in question independently accessed by 3 different legal firms in 3 different country's and there all saying that ASADA and WADA don't have a leg to stand on because of it. Watch this space but it certainly looks like the club is going to get out of it 100% scott free ::) ::)
that's what i heard from a bomber fan but who knows how authentic it is.
getting injected away will result in a slap of the wrist so the AFL is seen to be doing something.
I'm with you on this one. I think the calmness of Hird and co shows they are certainly looking better by the day.
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I'm going to take that drug if it's not illegal. Brilliant
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I'm going to take that drug if it's not illegal. Brilliant
It's an anti-obesity drug.
How much weight have you put on since your playing days?
:cheers
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Not much. Still working hard but I eat like Dick Adams. This drug sounds like a beauty for me
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I'm going to take that drug if it's not illegal. Brilliant
It's an anti-obesity drug.
How much weight have you put on since your playing days?
:cheers
All round super-drug. Thinking of getting onto some myself
It also has other benefits including increasing muscle mass, increasing IGF-1 (insulin growth factor) in a positive way to metabolise fat, and increase the amount of energy burned for the same amount of activity.
Other benefits which have been shown include an improvement in osteoarthritis. It does this by increasing cartilage and collagen production in the joints to increase the thickness and repair some of the damage. It has been shown to improve muscle, tendon and ligament repair, improve bone density
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Just stick to creatine
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I'm going to take that drug if it's not illegal. Brilliant
It's an anti-obesity drug.
How much weight have you put on since your playing days?
:cheers
All round super-drug. Thinking of getting onto some myself
It also has other benefits including increasing muscle mass, increasing IGF-1 (insulin growth factor) in a positive way to metabolise fat, and increase the amount of energy burned for the same amount of activity.
Other benefits which have been shown include an improvement in osteoarthritis. It does this by increasing cartilage and collagen production in the joints to increase the thickness and repair some of the damage. It has been shown to improve muscle, tendon and ligament repair, improve bone density
sounds like BS to me. Fat is not metabolised by insulin, but by an entirely different metabolic pathway.
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It also has other benefits including increasing muscle mass, increasing IGF-1 (insulin growth factor) in a positive way to metabolise fat, and increase the amount of energy burned for the same amount of activity.
sounds like BS to me. Fat is not metabolised by insulin, but by an entirely different metabolic pathway.
Its actually insulin-like growth factor, and it helps with metabolising fat by changing your fuel source from carbs to fats rather than actually burning the fats itself
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It works by mimicking the way natural Growth Hormone regulates fat metabolism
and
Like Growth Hormone, AOD9604 stimulates lipolysis (the breakdown or destruction of fat) and inhibits lipogenesis
pretty much answer that.
cheers bents.
i wonder what happens when someone is eating more energy than they burn but this is preventing the body from storing that excess energy as fat?
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3AW Football twitter:
"ASADA denying giving Dank a letter of approval for AOD 9604. Which is what the Bombers were shown. They need the document released."
"Doc Larkins re the confidence from Essendon that it will be okay. We do not know where the confidence is coming from. ASADA denying it."
https://twitter.com/3AWisfootball
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Double blow for Essendon with drugs charges to trigger immediate bans for culprits
By Eliza Sewell
Herald Sun
June 28, 2013
Any Essendon player cited for an alleged doping offence would be barred from playing until his case was determined by an AFL tribunal.
The AFL Anti-Doping Code states the only way a player could compete before a tribunal decision was reached would be by the intervention of the AFL Commission.
It is possible charges could be laid in the Essendon case in the final month of the home-and-away season.
While the doping code does not stipulate when the tribunal must be held, it's expected it could take one or two weeks to be convened.
The code allows for appeals.
The stand-down provision in the AFL code has particular significance for Essendon, fourth on the ladder and poised to play finals.
The AFL has confirmed it expected the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority-AFL investigation into Essendon players' supplements use in 2012 to be finished in August.
Former ASADA boss Richard Ings this week said he expected doping charges to be laid against Essendon captain Jobe Watson and possibly other Bombers following Watson's admission on Monday he believed he took the banned peptide AOD-9604.
Watson said he understood AOD-9604 was an approved substance based on information contained in a club consent form that he had signed.
Under the AFL Anti-Doping Code, ASADA would notify the AFL of an alleged doping violation, after which the league "as soon as possible" must issue an infraction notice to the player.
Section 12.4 of the code says once an infraction notice is issued, the player "will be ineligible to participate in any match" until "the determination of the tribunal".
The code describes this as a "provisional suspension". But it gives the games's highest body the power to intervene, stating the player will be ineligible "unless otherwise determined by the AFL Commission".
AFL deputy chief executive Gillon McLachlan responded to the scenario of Essendon winning the premiership last weekend, then facing sanctions.
"I think ... this issue has to be brought to a head before the finals," he said.
"I believe that and I have sort of some line of sight on it.
"I'm hopeful and optimistic that it will be somewhere in the first half of August."
Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/double-blow-for-essendon-with-drugs-charges-to-trigger-immediate-bans-for-culprits/story-e6frf3e3-1226671229771#ixzz2XW7f6h6W
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The mail is:
$2m fine
Essendon loses all points for 2013
no draft picks for 2 years
guilty players receive two years suspended sentence
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/fri-june-28th-2013-9-10-pm-tim-watson-states-there-is-no-doubt-there-will-be-sanctions.1015522/#post-28899687
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Playing theoretical devils advocate, let's talk about a guy named dank.....lets say wanted to win really bad.......
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If Jobe were to be banned and lose his brownlow it would absolutely shatter a lot of us bombers fans, especially me. Imagine this happening to any of your favourite players. This is one of the reasons us fans still deny we are in trouble and defend the club - we don't want to lose our captain and champion.
This is an emotional situation and it really is a massive downer considering we expected a great era of dominance from Watson/Club.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd8/bballmavskid54/cartman_tears.gif)
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stuff em all
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The mail is:
$2m fine
Essendon loses all points for 2013
no draft picks for 2 years
guilty players receive two years suspended sentence
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/fri-june-28th-2013-9-10-pm-tim-watson-states-there-is-no-doubt-there-will-be-sanctions.1015522/#post-28899687
As of when?
Better be before September
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I'm going to take that drug if it's not illegal. Brilliant
It's an anti-obesity drug.
How much weight have you put on since your playing days?
:cheers
All round super-drug. Thinking of getting onto some myself
It also has other benefits including increasing muscle mass, increasing IGF-1 (insulin growth factor) in a positive way to metabolise fat, and increase the amount of energy burned for the same amount of activity.
Other benefits which have been shown include an improvement in osteoarthritis. It does this by increasing cartilage and collagen production in the joints to increase the thickness and repair some of the damage. It has been shown to improve muscle, tendon and ligament repair, improve bone density
Nice work, Tiger! :thumbsup
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Tim Watson has admitted that he has thought about the possibility of his son being stripped of his Brownlow Medal, following Jobe Watson's stunning public admission on Monday that he believed he had been injected with a banned drug.
"It's something I have thought about during the week for the first time, because obviously it was something people were discussing," Watson said in an emotional interview on Channel Seven during the half-time break of the Sydney v Carlton clash on Friday night.
"This is a serious matter and obviously there are going to be serious sanctions that are handed down at some stage."
Watson appeared to be close to tears after he watched footage detailing the events of the week, that included his son being booed thoughout Thursday night's game between Essendon and West Coast in Perth.
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"To me the Brownlow doesn't define Jobe, and I'm talking as a father now," said Watson. "We didn't love him any more because he won the Brownlow and we wouldn't love him any less if he lost the Brownlow.
"If that happens, we have two choices: he goes and wins another one, or Rob Harvey's got two and I know where Rob lives and maybe we can take one of Rob's.
"We are in unknown territory here. There's a lot of possibilities.
"This is something that every family associated with the Essendon football club has been living with for the past five months."
Tim Watson has been on holiday with wife, Susie, this week and said he had not read newspapers or watched television since his son's public revelation that he had believed he had taken AOD-9604.
"I mowed a lot of grass that wasn't even growing," Watson said. He said he did, however, watch the game against the Eagles, in which his son produced a best-on-ground performance to drag the Bombers over the line for an extraordinary seven-point win.
"As far as booing goes, it was great booing - not that I particularly enjoyed it. I had to turn the TV down at one stage," said Watson.
He was not critical of the Eagles fans, however. "They have a right to barrack and boo. As long as they are not vilifying anyone, I think they have a right to say whatever they like and I don't think we should take that away from anyone.
"I think it might have been counter-productive in a way," he said, referring to the Bombers' stirring come-from-behind victory.
Watson said he learned nothing new from Jobe's interview on Fox Sports on Monday night and he denied his faith had been shaken in either coach James Hird or the Essendon football club in the past week.
"My friendship goes back with some of these people for 30 years and I know deep in my heart that none of these people would do anything deliberately to harm or put these players in the scrutiny they are now under," he said.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tim-watson-fearful-over-sons-brownlow-20130628-2p37f.html#ixzz2XWbEPTfj
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"As far as booing goes, it was great booing - not that I particularly enjoyed it. I had to turn the TV down at one stage," said Watson.
He was not critical of the Eagles fans, however. "They have a right to barrack and boo. As long as they are not vilifying anyone, I think they have a right to say whatever they like and I don't think we should take that away from anyone."
:clapping :clapping :clapping
He won me with that.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/history-shows-it-doesnt-bode-well-20130626-2oxli.html#ixzz2XWpVygOU
Old article but pertinent.
In a recent, and relevant, precedent to the Essendon supplements scandal, a VFL footballer was last year banned from playing months before his doping case was even heard by an AFL tribunal.
Wade Lees was playing for the Casey Scorpions when, in 2010, he purchased a fat-burning product online that contained a steroid on the World Anti-Doping Agency's banned list.
Lees did not ever use the product. In fact, he never even possessed it, because his order was intercepted by Australian Customs after it was sent from the US.
Naturally this was of interest to the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, which promptly launched an investigation into the young, Victorian-based, second-tier footballer.
It was not until last year, after he had featured in the opening five rounds of the VFL season, that Lees received a letter informing him that he was prohibited from playing football until further notice.
The letter said that the by now 24-year-old could continue training with Casey, which was by now aware that one of its players was the subject of an ASADA probe.
Hopeful that he could still argue he had made an innocent mistake, Lees did this until his case culminated in a tribunal hearing that ultimately saw him receive an 18-month ban from all sport.
The relevance of the Lees case now is that it is the only example of an Australian rules footballer receiving a ban from ASADA without returning a positive test.
Lees was sanctioned according to the same anti-doping code that will apply to Essendon players and officials, and in the same setting - a specially convened AFL anti-doping tribunal that can have any findings challenged by ASADA.
The length of Lees' ban from all competitive sport is also noteworthy in light of the forecasting this week by ex-ASADA boss Richard Ings that it will be impossible for Essendon's Jobe Watson to avoid a doping violation charge following the club skipper's stunning admission that he knowingly took AOD-9604.
There is a school of thought, among well-informed anti-doping experts, that co-operative Essendon players will most likely receive the most lenient sanction - a six-month ban - from an AFL anti-doping tribunal if doping rule violations are found.
But when pondering the recent case of Lees, who never even touched the banned substance he ordered, apparently oblivious to the product's banned status, some of the same experts say in the next breath that a six-month ban for anyone who has actually admitted to taking a prohibited substance would be generous.
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I've always had a lot of respect for Tim Watson especially knowing that he was a made tiger supporter before he went to essendon.
Great player and a funny guy.
His son is a class act too. I like the way he goes about it and he's becomming a genuine match winner and a great leader.
It's unfortunate for them that their team and their "golden boy" coach has failed them because of greed, selfishness and incompetence.
If Hird comes out of this squeeky clean and his reputation intact I'll be very very suprised indeed.
P. S. Tim was correct everyone is allowed to boo at the footy and Richo was incorrect to be critical of it. It's footy!
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I think it was more of a channel 7 support your mate thing
BT the bloke who makes fun of guys walking onto the ground with their kids all of a sudden cares about a crowd who boo's
All a load of BS. Well done Tim and jobe well done for having the gutz to be confess
That's more than I can say for your colleagues namely your stupid coach and flogs like spike
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ASADA has confirmed that banned drug AOD-9604 is prohibited under any circumstances
Mark Robinson and Michael Warner
Herald Sun
June 29, 2013 11:53AM
ESSENDON'S hopes of emerging unscathed after its players allegedly used banned drug AOD-9604 have been shot down.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority last night maintained the substance was prohibited under any circumstances.
As recently as Wednesday, the club said it was privy to "facts" it believed would clear players of doping breaches.
The Herald Sun understands its confidence stems from a briefing by a senior ASADA investigator earlier this year on the status of AOD-9604. Asked about the alleged briefing yesterday, ASADA said: "ASADA is unable to discuss an ongoing investigation or operational matters associated with an investigation until such time as its legislation permits."
AOD-9604 is banned under section S. 0 of the World Anti-Doping Prohibited List because it has not been passed fit for human consumption.
The drug is not banned under section S. 2 of the WADA code because its performance-enhancing benefits are in question - a key plank of Essendon's defence.
WADA can ban substances under section S. 0 if they are a potential health risk to the athlete or if their use or method violates the spirit of sport.
"ASADA's primary role is to apply the World Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Agency's (WADA) Prohibited List in Australia," an ASADA spokesman said yesterday.
"Since 2011, AOD-9604 has come under section S. 0 of the World Anti-Doping Prohibited List."
Player consent forms seen by the Herald Sun show some Essendon players were prescribed weekly injections of AOD-9604 during the 2012 season by Essendon's former sports scientist Stephen Dank.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/asada-has-confirmed-that-banned-drug-aod9604-is-prohibited-under-any-circumstances/story-fni5f6kw-1226671797587
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Only honest after being busted.
Only honest after 3 months of emotional turmoil.
More a confession than honesty
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Only honest after being busted.
Only honest after 3 months of emotional turmoil.
More a confession than honesty
True true
Have edited my post
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Bomber woes mount as drug probe widens
Richard Baker, Nick McKenzie and Jake Niall
The Age
June 30, 2013
Essendon captain Jobe Watson and several teammates were used as virtual human ''guinea pigs'' by the club, receiving injections or infusions of banned drug AOD-9604 at a volume and frequency far exceeding that of its clinical trials.
Fairfax Media can reveal that the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is investigating whether the physical performance of Essendon players given certain supplements, including AOD-9604, was measured against teammates who had not received the drugs and whether results were passed to external parties.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bomber-woes-mount-as-drug-probe-widens-20130629-2p48d.html#ixzz2Xd0camZh
Essendon could have to wait until it is charged for doping offences before it can access a mysterious document that could clear its name.
Former Bombers sports scientist Stephen Dank has maintained he has a letter from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority proving the supplements he gave players last year were not prohibited. This alleged letter was shown to club doctor Bruce Reid.
Dank has chosen to not co-operate with authorities, and there appear to be only two ways in which the club can secure the document, of which it is understood there is only one copy, and prove it was misled by ASADA.
New laws passed by the federal government last week to bolster the coercive powers of ASADA will force Dank to hand over any documentation.
If, in the meantime,the Bombers were charged, they would almost certainly subpoena Dank for the document.
This would come after ASADA has presented its results and recommendations to the AFL. The league would then establish an independent tribunal.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/letter-of-law-conundrum-for-dons-20130629-2p484.html#ixzz2Xd0p4fJJ
Stephen Dank will take High Court action to prevent being grilled by investigators following the bolstering of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's powers, in protest against the ''enormous lack of respect'' he has been shown.
Federal Sports Minister Kate Lundy pushed new powers through Parliament for the anti-doping agency during the last sitting day before the election. They could become law within a month and it is expected that Dank, who has so far refused to grant an interview, would be compelled to front up.
However, the sports scientist believes his legal team will successfully challenge attempts to compel him to discuss his involvement at AFL and NRL clubs. It is believed his lawyers could argue a non-judicial body should not be able to use the government to force disclosure in non-criminal matters, as it could be seen as an abuse of statutory power.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dank-will-go-to-court-to-stop-asada-grilling-20130629-2p483.html#ixzz2Xd0vLLSK
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the thing i want to see, is the consent form signed by the players.
The wording of this, more than anything else, will indicate how much the players knew, or should have known, about what this saga.
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Bomber woes mount as drug probe widens
Richard Baker, Nick McKenzie and Jake Niall
The Age
June 30, 2013
Essendon captain Jobe Watson and several teammates were used as virtual human ''guinea pigs'' by the club, receiving injections or infusions of banned drug AOD-9604 at a volume and frequency far exceeding that of its clinical trials.
Fairfax Media can reveal that the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is investigating whether the physical performance of Essendon players given certain supplements, including AOD-9604, was measured against teammates who had not received the drugs and whether results were passed to external parties.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bomber-woes-mount-as-drug-probe-widens-20130629-2p48d.html#ixzz2Xd0camZh
Essendon could have to wait until it is charged for doping offences before it can access a mysterious document that could clear its name.
Former Bombers sports scientist Stephen Dank has maintained he has a letter from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority proving the supplements he gave players last year were not prohibited. This alleged letter was shown to club doctor Bruce Reid.
Dank has chosen to not co-operate with authorities, and there appear to be only two ways in which the club can secure the document, of which it is understood there is only one copy, and prove it was misled by ASADA.
New laws passed by the federal government last week to bolster the coercive powers of ASADA will force Dank to hand over any documentation.
If, in the meantime,the Bombers were charged, they would almost certainly subpoena Dank for the document.
This would come after ASADA has presented its results and recommendations to the AFL. The league would then establish an independent tribunal.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/letter-of-law-conundrum-for-dons-20130629-2p484.html#ixzz2Xd0p4fJJ
Stephen Dank will take High Court action to prevent being grilled by investigators following the bolstering of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's powers, in protest against the ''enormous lack of respect'' he has been shown.
Federal Sports Minister Kate Lundy pushed new powers through Parliament for the anti-doping agency during the last sitting day before the election. They could become law within a month and it is expected that Dank, who has so far refused to grant an interview, would be compelled to front up.
However, the sports scientist believes his legal team will successfully challenge attempts to compel him to discuss his involvement at AFL and NRL clubs. It is believed his lawyers could argue a non-judicial body should not be able to use the government to force disclosure in non-criminal matters, as it could be seen as an abuse of statutory power.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dank-will-go-to-court-to-stop-asada-grilling-20130629-2p483.html#ixzz2Xd0vLLSK
I don't get it.
If Dank is squeeky clean why doesn't he just go public with this document and show how inept ASADA have been.
Either he doesn't have the document or he wants Essendon to crash and burn.
Essendon will face serious fines by the AFL regardless of the outcome because the AFL will/should come down heavy on them just for being greedy arrogant idiots.
Anyway I still think Dank should ring his friends at the ABC and reveal all because if its true that he has this document it will basically make ASADA a laughing stock & the whole current investigation a joke.
What's he waiting for???
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The average Essen Don fan level of delusion is remarkable.
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On 6PR Radio here in Perth this afternoon, another flog sports journo by the name of Kim Hagdorn told the listeners that: a) The BOOING on Thursday was solely justified because Jobe should not have been out there, and b), the AFL are deliberately keeping us Bombers supporters waiting until the end of the H&A season to avoid loss of crowd revenue. And then WHACK! We WILL be stripped of enough points to make us miss the 8 altogether because "How's it going to look for the AFL if Essendon actually WIN the Flag?". Hagdorn then got upset with a listener who labelled him "The Eagles Apologist" or something to that effect. Then, going about my business, I got personally attacked by some muppet at a local junior footy game today for wearing my Essendon trackies down. He said "How's it goin ya DRUG CHEAT?". peeed me right off. I almost dropped the prick. So the sooner this ends the sooner we can all calm TF down!
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/wada-asada-circus-essendon-supporters-only.989915/page-235
:cheers :cheers
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Bombers must show players were duped
Richard Baker and Nick McKenzie
The Age
July 1, 2013
Essendon's hopes of avoiding suspensions for players found to have taken banned substances rest on convincing the World Anti-Doping Agency that the club deliberately misled and ultimately betrayed its players.
As the drugs-in-sport inquiry enters its fifth month, Fairfax Media has learnt that its seemingly slow pace can be largely attributed to Essendon players being given every opportunity to build a no-fault or mitigating-circumstances case that will meet WADA's high evidentiary requirements.
Central to any no-fault or mitigating-circumstances case will be allegations players were duped into taking substances that they believed were WADA-approved and had been authorised by senior Essendon personnel, including the club's medical staff.
Investigators from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority are examining whether players were given substances different to what they were told. There is also confusion over whether club medical staff had actually approved every substance administered.
Adding weight to the no-fault or mitigating-circumstances case are confidentiality agreements the club made players sign that stipulated they not tell anyone about the top-secret supplements program.
''It appears that the players have effectively been sabotaged by their own club,'' said a source aware of disclosures made to ASADA.
Another source familiar with events at Essendon last year said players genuinely believed the supplements program implemented by the club - their employer - complied with anti-doping regulations. That source said players had no option but to believe what they had been told.
''You imagine a kid down from the Northern Territory in his first year. Is he going to go against something his coach wants him to do and that club officials say is safe? No way,'' the source said.
But convincing WADA that players found to have taken banned substances should not receive suspensions is likely to be difficult, with the agency's president, John Fahey, last week saying it was up to athletes to ensure any drugs they have taken did not breach rules even if their club had declared them safe. Mr Fahey's comments came after Essendon captain Jobe Watson declared a week ago that he believed he had been injected with banned drug AOD-9604, which he said club officials had assured the players was not illegal.
While any prospect of players escaping bans will please Bomber fans, several prominent club officials, including coaching staff, are likely to be held accountable by the AFL for failing to protect players from a highly experimental program.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-must-show-players-were-duped-20130630-2p5gj.html#ixzz2Xk3hia00
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Essendom wooden spoon odds shortening
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Haha they're stuffed either way. Either players get suspended or they have to stuff the club over to get the players off. :lol :cheers
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AFL says Essendon may lose points
The AGE
DateJuly 1, 2013 - 2:38PM
The AFL on Monday left open the possibility that third-placed Essendon could be stripped of premiership points over the supplements scandal.
AFL general manager of football operations Mark Evans says various options will be considered if the Bombers are found guilty following the completion of ASADA's anti-doping investigation.
"It is certainly within the scope of the (AFL) Commission to do that, but it will be a Commission decision once it has been tabled," Evans told AFL.com.au's Access All Areas when asked if Essendon could lose premiership points.
The James Hird-coached Bombers have a 10-3 record in 2013.
Advertisement Essendon's internal investigation into governance has already described what was going on at the club in 2012 as a "pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged".
Essendon captain Jobe Watson said last week he believes he was administered AOD-9604 in 2012, saying it was cleared for his use by club medical staff.
The World Anti-Doping Agency has confirmed the substance has been banned for athletes since 2011 under a catch-all in which substances not approved for human use are prohibited.
Evans says the ASADA-AFL investigation is continuing and there will be no comment on individual developments, such as Watson's remarks.
"There is a range of possibilities if the commission decided there was a breach that needed to be acted on," Evans said.
"That could include a whole range of things from fines, draft picks ... it could be dealing with individuals and anything else."
AAP
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-says-essendon-may-lose-points-20130701-2p6v2.html#ixzz2XlmRvXGr
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Top 4 and Top 8 betting has been suspended by the betting agencies as a result of the talk of Essendon losing all their premiership points.
https://www.tab.com.au/#!/vic/sports/betting/standard/AFL/AFL-Futures/2013-AFL-Premiership/Winner
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Ch 7 was reporting this morning that Dank has said Jobe should keep the brownlow medal.
Unsure of his motives now :huh
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Dank has also said he has no intention of speaking to ASADA or the AFL
Would think his motives are pretty obvious, saving his own butt
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https://www.change.org/petitions/suspend-jobe-watson-captain-of-the-essendon-football-club :police:
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On Ch 7 news:
* Despite claims AOD-9604 is not performance enhancing, Charters says Dank gave him a promotional leaflet for the drug saying it can cause major increase in body mass and energy. Also body fat loss.
* Mark Stevens says D-Day for the Bombers is Thursday, August 1st.
* James Hird to be re-interviewed at AFL House.
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I just want it over, it's starting to bore me. Oh and anything less than 6 month ban for players would be an absolute joke
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Nah let them stew in their own filth for as long as possible
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Nah let them stew in their own filth for as long as possible
No
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Nah let them stew in their own filth for as long as possible
I concur
Let them rot for all I care
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Nah let them stew in their own filth for as long as possible
I think dragging this out to around roundss 20-21 would do nicely. To see them sitting in the top 4 and then drop to bottom of the ladder in less than 20 seconds as their 2013 points get stripped away. Jimmy Hird gets rubbed out of footy for 12 months for bringing the game in disrepute
And then as I drove home listen to all their deluded sooking supporters on SEN cry foul over how harshly they've been treated by the competition because they've done nothing wrong, especially the golden haired boy Jimmy
That would be sweet :thumbsup
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Nah let them stew in their own filth for as long as possible
I think dragging this out to around roundss 20-21 would do nicely. To see them sitting in the top 4 and then drop to bottom of the ladder in less than 20 seconds as their 2013 points get stripped away. Jimmy Hird gets rubbed out of footy for 12 months for bringing the game in disrepute
And then as I drove home listen to all their deluded sooking supporters on SEN cry foul over how harshly they've been treated by the competition because they've done nothing wrong, especially the golden haired boy Jimmy
That would be sweet :thumbsup
reality suggests Hird will still be coach in 2014 and beyond. Put your house on it. Thats what makes me sick about the whole thing.
if that was Knighter he would've been out the door in 5 minutes
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Nah let them stew in their own filth for as long as possible
I think dragging this out to around roundss 20-21 would do nicely. To see them sitting in the top 4 and then drop to bottom of the ladder in less than 20 seconds as their 2013 points get stripped away. Jimmy Hird gets rubbed out of footy for 12 months for bringing the game in disrepute
And then as I drove home listen to all their deluded sooking supporters on SEN cry foul over how harshly they've been treated by the competition because they've done nothing wrong, especially the golden haired boy Jimmy
That would be sweet :thumbsup
reality suggests Hird will still be coach in 2014 and beyond. Put your house on it. Thats what makes me sick about the whole thing.
if that was Knighter he would've been out the door in 5 minutes
based on what?
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based on M.O
The AFL love him. If they are weak in governing things like drugs and tanking then you can assume they will most likely scape goat Bomber and that will be the end of it. Robson, Bomber, Corcoran golden flog stays
Trigg got only 6 months. Just goes to show how weak they are
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Vlad tried to step him down weeks ago...
James wouldn't have a bar of it.
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/neil-mitchell-blog/standing-aside-is-an-option-james-hird-has-to-consider-demetriou/20130412-2hpd7.html
When this is done and doested I think he will get the ass
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Nah let them stew in their own filth for as long as possible
I think dragging this out to around roundss 20-21 would do nicely. To see them sitting in the top 4 and then drop to bottom of the ladder in less than 20 seconds as their 2013 points get stripped away. Jimmy Hird gets rubbed out of footy for 12 months for bringing the game in disrepute
And then as I drove home listen to all their deluded sooking supporters on SEN cry foul over how harshly they've been treated by the competition because they've done nothing wrong, especially the golden haired boy Jimmy
That would be sweet :thumbsup
Gunna buy a few slabs and sit back and listen to SEN for a few days without sleeping. Yeh I know, it's an unhealthy hatred. ;D
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based on M.O
The AFL love him. If they are weak in governing things like drugs and tanking then you can assume they will most likely scape goat Bomber and that will be the end of it. Robson, Bomber, Corcoran golden flog stays
Trigg got only 6 months. Just goes to show how weak they are
Trigg bum stuffed his own club. Lucky the Crows fans didn't burn him at the stake. :shh
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Nah let them stew in their own filth for as long as possible
I think dragging this out to around roundss 20-21 would do nicely. To see them sitting in the top 4 and then drop to bottom of the ladder in less than 20 seconds as their 2013 points get stripped away. Jimmy Hird gets rubbed out of footy for 12 months for bringing the game in disrepute
And then as I drove home listen to all their deluded sooking supporters on SEN cry foul over how harshly they've been treated by the competition because they've done nothing wrong, especially the golden haired boy Jimmy
That would be sweet :thumbsup
Gunna buy a few slabs and sit back and listen to SEN for a few days without sleeping. Yeh I know, it's an unhealthy hatred. ;D
A day or two ago someone rang up saying the essendon fitness staff deserve kudos for how strong and fit essendon were looking
the presenters were kacking themselfs
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Nah let them stew in their own filth for as long as possible
I think dragging this out to around roundss 20-21 would do nicely. To see them sitting in the top 4 and then drop to bottom of the ladder in less than 20 seconds as their 2013 points get stripped away. Jimmy Hird gets rubbed out of footy for 12 months for bringing the game in disrepute
And then as I drove home listen to all their deluded sooking supporters on SEN cry foul over how harshly they've been treated by the competition because they've done nothing wrong, especially the golden haired boy Jimmy
That would be sweet :thumbsup
Gunna buy a few slabs and sit back and listen to SEN for a few days without sleeping. Yeh I know, it's an unhealthy hatred. ;D
A day or two ago someone rang up saying the essendon fitness staff deserve kudos for how strong and fit essendon were looking
the presenters were kacking themselfs
I heard that, it was on SEN's run home last night, the Ox amd Marko couldn't believe there ears, the guy was dead serious as well :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Nah let them stew in their own filth for as long as possible
I think dragging this out to around roundss 20-21 would do nicely. To see them sitting in the top 4 and then drop to bottom of the ladder in less than 20 seconds as their 2013 points get stripped away. Jimmy Hird gets rubbed out of footy for 12 months for bringing the game in disrepute
And then as I drove home listen to all their deluded sooking supporters on SEN cry foul over how harshly they've been treated by the competition because they've done nothing wrong, especially the golden haired boy Jimmy
That would be sweet :thumbsup
Gunna buy a few slabs and sit back and listen to SEN for a few days without sleeping. Yeh I know, it's an unhealthy hatred. ;D
A day or two ago someone rang up saying the essendon fitness staff deserve kudos for how strong and fit essendon were looking
the presenters were kacking themselfs
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol that's just amazing.
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Consent forms seen by the Herald Sun show some Essendon players agreed to be treated with regular injections of the banned peptide AOD-9604 during the 2012 season.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/probe-into-essendon-supplements-scandal-may-be-completed-before-stephen-dank-talks/story-fnelctok-1226673946466
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Consent forms seen by the Herald Sun show some Essendon players agreed to be treated with regular injections of the banned peptide AOD-9604 during the 2012 season.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/probe-into-essendon-supplements-scandal-may-be-completed-before-stephen-dank-talks/story-fnelctok-1226673946466
:gobdrop :gobdrop well that's a shock to us all ::)
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Aaaand the trickle of information begins to open.
Essendon and some in the media have micro-managed the bejesus out of this whole farce. One big PR exercise. Set people's perceptions up for 6 months that they have done nothing wrong through repeated propaganda and then in the last minute evidence of the most blatant and negligent behaviour seems less controversial.
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The p r company they have hired motto (public relations
We win campaign s
Lol stuffin dogs
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Donald Rumsfeld is the Don in Essendon
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Aaaand the trickle of information begins to open.
Essendon and some in the media have micro-managed the bejesus out of this whole farce. One big PR exercise. Set people's perceptions up for 6 months that they have done nothing wrong through repeated propaganda and then in the last minute evidence of the most blatant and negligent behaviour seems less controversial.
Discusting on a multitude of levels.
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Donald Rumsfeld is the Don in Essendon
Is that a
Known, Known
or
a Known, unknown
or
just something that we know that we know
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"Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war."
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Essendon's president David Evans is claiming on the Bombers website that even if their players used/were given AOD-9604, it's not performance enhancing according to pharmacological evidence.
Still doesn't make it not a banned substance since 2011, David :nope.
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I don't understand if it didn't improve performance then why did they allegedly inject it into the boys
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Essendon chairman David Evans says AOD-9604 is not a performance-enhancing drug
Sam Landsberger
From: Herald Sun
July 04, 2013 5:46PM
ESSENDON chairman David Evans says experts have declared AOD-9604 is not a performance-enhancing drug and wants speculation about possible club and player sanctions canned until the ASADA investigation is completed.
But Evans conceded the Dons are still “not fully aware” of what took place at Windy Hill last year.
In a video on the club website, Evans said the club “strongly rejected” calls for Jobe Watson to be stood down and have his Brownlow Medal stripped.
“We are particularly concerned that our players are being denied due process,” evans said.
“Whether the substance was AOD-9604, and further, whether it was a prohibited substance last year, are questions that can only be answered after the ASADA-AFL investigation is completed.”
Evans also rubbished speculation the Bombers were still deriving on-field benefits from their controversial supplements program from last year.
“Expert opinions have been sought by the Essendon Football Club into the effects of AOD-9604 and our medical and pharmacological advice is that even if the players were given AOD-9604 last year, it is not a performance-enhancing substance and it certainly would not have a carry-forward effect into this year.”
But former ASADA chairman Richard Ings poured cold water on Evans’ statement, tweeting: “Read damn rule” moments after the video went live.
WADA has confirmed AOD-9604 is banned under the S0 category, as it has not been approved for human use.
“It is very important to state that new information is still being uncovered about what may have occurred at the club in the 2012 season, including actions by people external to our club,” Evans said.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-chairman-david-evans-says-aod-9604-is-not-a-performance-enhancing-drug/story-fndv8gad-1226674473793
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In a video on the club website, Evans said the club “strongly rejected” calls for Jobe Watson to be stood down and have his Brownlow Medal stripped.
You moron.
Facts are in any other sport in the world if a player or a participants a made the admission that Jobe did they would be immediately stood down pending a full investigation.
That's why IMO he should be stood down, it's call integrity which clearly isn't a priority at Essendon or the AFL headquarters for that matter
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I like how they had experts investigate the effects of AOD after they were busted taking it lmao
So they didn't know what it did before they started injecting their players LMFAO
What a ****ing lie :lol
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Yep and after checking they have now found that AOD9604 does nothing.
So Evans the Bombers were injecting players with nothing for no reason. Pull the other one idiot! :wallywink
Also on the topic of Bombers fans- they are in complete denial in every medium I have seen. It is bit unfair on them, having Evans, Hird and Watson come out and practically tell their members that they will be alright because they didn't mean it/didn't know what was in it/forced to inject and all the other rubbish they have come up with. Ess fans are going to crash hard :lol
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What is Timmy Watson nowadays. :shh
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Essendon's president David Evans is claiming on the Bombers website that even if their players used/were given AOD-9604, it's not performance enhancing according to pharmacological evidence.
Still doesn't make it not a banned substance since 2011, David :nope.
Chapter XXV in creating confusion and various shades of grey by Essendon so when the final verdict is handed down, they look like they've been shafted to the great unwashed.
The amount of premeditated PR work going on is glaringly obvious. This is now more about the PR for Essendon than the finding. Whats done is done. It's all they can control.
I suspect such an approach suggests Essendon know they are in DEEP DEEP POOT.
Protect the brand at the expense of its credibility.
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Essendon chairman David Evans says AOD-9604 is not a performance-enhancing drug
“Expert opinions have been sought by the Essendon Football Club into the effects of AOD-9604 and our medical and pharmacological advice is that even if the players were given AOD-9604 last year.....”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-chairman-david-evans-says-aod-9604-is-not-a-performance-enhancing-drug/story-fndv8gad-1226674473793
David, there is no 'IF'. The captain of your club admitted to taking AOD-9604. :police:
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Barrett saying AOD-9604 not the only drug under investigation down at Essendon. Four Bomber players are being investigated over "inadvertent" use of a peptide which comes under the WADA S.2 category.
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A bit more from Evans here ...
AOD-9604 'not performance enhancing': Essendon
By Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
5:06pm AEST Thursday, July 4, 2013
ESSENDON has declared that anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 is not performance enhancing after seeking its own independent advice.
The club says there is still new information being uncovered in the ASADA inquiry into its supplements use last season, and says its players are being denied due process.
"Our medical and pharmacological advice is that even if the players were given AOD-9604 last year it is not a performance enhancing substance and it certainly would not have a carry forward effect into this year," chairman David Evans said in a statement to members on Thursday.
But following the statement former ASADA chief executive Richard Ings said the club was missing the point.
"The question as to whether AOD-9604 enhances performance in this case is completely irrelevant," Ings told AFL.com.au.
"What is at issue is that it is banned for use in sport by the World Anti-Doping Agency and Essendon must answer the suggestion that one or more of its players have allegedly taken it."
Evans said he was particularly concerned about calls for players to be penalised before the investigation was over.
"It is very important to state that new information is still being uncovered about what may have occurred at the club in the 2012 season, including actions by people external to our club," he said.
"Any discussion about the sanctions is premature.
"This investigation is very complex and the issues are serious, and given the complexity of the issues involved the club feels very strongly that our players should be given the right to the presumption of innocence before being judged.
"We ask that the public await the outcome of the investigation.
"We are particularly concerned that our players are being denied due process."
Evans said while captain Jobe Watson believed he was given AOD-9604 it was too early to conclude that he actually was injected with the substance.
"Whether the substance was AOD-9604 and further whether it was (a) prohibited substance last year are questions that can only be answered after the ASADA-AFL investigation is completed.
"Any suggestion that Jobe Watson should be stood down from playing or stripped of his Brownlow Medal is premature and inappropriate and strongly rejected by the club.
"The club has consistently stated that no one can yet be sure what happened at the club last year and that we're still not fully aware of precisely what took place."
Evans said he expected the ASADA report to be finalised in the next four weeks, echoing the AFL's commitment on Wednesday for it to completed in August.
The club has launched a social media campaign using the hashtag #cheerthechamp to encourage fans to support Watson at Sunday's clash with Port Adelaide at Etihad Stadium.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-04/david-evans-statement
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The club has launched a social media campaign using the hashtag #cheerthechamp to encourage fans to support Watson at Sunday's clash with Port Adelaide at Etihad Stadium.
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LMAO @ "seeking its own independent advice"
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Cheer the champ hey? Its just one big delusional stuffed up family ...
They should get a roar meter up on the screen, the louder you cheer, the more CC's get injected into his stomach. If it gets to 10ccs the roulettes fly past and skydrop no-doz for the kiddies
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Drug suspicions over Essendon grow
Richard Baker, Jake Niall and John Silvester
The Age
July 5, 2013
Concerns that Essendon players were given a banned performance-enhancing drug have strengthened with the emergence of an invoice showing the club was billed for a "Thymosin peptide".
The invoice provides a paper trail between the club and the possible provision to players of Thymosin beta 4, a substance banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency since at least 2011 for its performance-enhancing effect and viewed more seriously than the failed anti-obesity drug AOD9604.
Fairfax Media understands that Essendon players have been unable to explain to anti-doping investigators whether the club's 2012 supplements program involved Thymosin beta 4, popular with body builders because it aids muscle recovery, or a benign version, known as Thymosin alpha, used to treat AIDS and cancer patients and deemed by WADA not to have any performance-enhancing effect.
It is understood that player testimony on the issue of Thymosin has been vague, with players unable to specify which type of the drug was taken.
Since Fairfax Media first approached Essendon in April about the possible use of Thymosin beta 4, the club has maintained its belief that only the WADA-safe Thymosin alpha was used.
However, sources with a knowledge of the progress of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation believe there is a strong circumstantial case mounting to suggest the "Thymosin peptide" referred to in the Essendon invoice was beta 4.
January 2012 emails between Essendon's former sports scientist, Stephen Dank, and biochemist Shane Charter show the pair discussing the provision and best use of Thymosin beta 4. The emails do not refer to Essendon.
One email shows Mr Charter, who has become a key ASADA witness, advising Mr Dank to inject the drug on a weekly basis over six weeks and then once a month to get the "best results".
This advice is repeated in consent forms given by Mr Dank to Essendon players during 2012 for the injection of a substance referred to in the forms simply as "Thymosin".
"The recommendation for the following intervention for you: 1 Thymosin injection once a week for six weeks and then 1 injection per month," the consent form states.
A Thymosin consent form obtained by Fairfax Media was signed by Mr Dank and witnessed by suspended fitness chief Dean Robinson. The form was not signed by club doctor Bruce Reid.
Players believed that the Thymosin injections had been approved by the club doctor. Serious doubts have emerged whether this was the case.
In April, Mr Dank told Fairfax Media in an interview that Thymosin beta 4 had been part of his program at Essendon. However, when informed of the club's denial, he said he could not recall which type he had given players.
In terms of possible sanctions against players, Thymosin beta 4 poses far greater risk than AOD9604, which Essendon skipper Jobe Watson last month said he believed he had received.
This is because Thymosin beta 4 falls under WADA's S2 category for performance-enhancing drugs. AOD9604 is banned under WADA's less serious SO category, which covers drugs that may not be performance-enhancing but are not approved for human use.
Mr Dank, who has refused to be interviewed by ASADA, has maintained the substances he gave to players were always safe and did not breach anti-doping rules.
Mr Charter said on Thursday that he provided Mr Dank with Thymosin beta 4 in January 2012. He said the peptide was imported from China along with other supplements ordered by Mr Dank.
"It is a legal product but clearly a banned substance for professional athletes," Mr Charter said. "I would assume that Dank would have known that."
He said that in January 2012 Mr Dank had asked for the peptide to be made up into usable doses at a South Yarra compound chemist.
"He didn't identify the clients who would be using the product," Mr Charter said.
"At no stage did Dank order Thymosin, only Thymosin beta 4. He may have sourced it from somewhere else but the question remains: what happened to the beta 4? Thymosin is not routinely used by professional athletes but it can have some immune system benefits."
Mr Charter said ASADA had asked him a series of questions about the beta 4 product sold to Mr Dank, concentrating on whether the number of doses equated with the course of injections given to Essendon players.
The AFL said in a statement late on Thursday: "This is a complex and methodical investigation and the AFL will not comment on its progress until ASADA hands over its report next month."
Essendon declined to respond to questions.
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Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/drug-suspicions-over-essendon-grow-20130704-2pfa5.html#ixzz2Y62IaO14
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Tim Watson should step down from his media role.
David King too.
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Tim Watson should step down from his media role.
David King too.
Why should David King stand down from his media role Bents?
Because he offered an opinion that goes against what most people feel?
He is entitled to his opinion, we don't have to agree with it but he is allowed to have it.
Tim should just shut up. For a bloke who refuse to say much he says alot. No win situation for Timmy, so just shut up
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I just threw King in cause he talks rubbish. Kings position is the player are faultless due to following orders. The WADA rules state the players must be responsible for what drugs they take. Is it not an arrogant wrong position for him to be taking?
Tim Watson is clearly delusional and has too many 'hats' on.
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I just threw King in cause he talks rubbish. Kings position is the player are faultless due to following orders. The WADA rules state the players must be responsible for what drugs they take. Is it not an arrogant wrong position for him to be taking?
Tim Watson is clearly delusional and has too many 'hats' on.
Go bents :clapping
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"We just can't wait to tell our side of the story"
Have heard this from Hird, the players, Watson Snr and officials of the club over and over. It's scripted PR bullpoot.
I reckon there will not be anything convincing enough that they have been so gleefully waiting to share to the world to prove their innocence.
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James Hird says he is not concerned about the prospect of Essendon losing premiership points as an outcome of the investigation into the club's supplements use in 2012.
Amid new reports linking the Bombers to more substances, Hird expressed no fears that the club would be stripped of its match points when the ASADA investigation is completed next month.
But the Bombers coach was reluctant to say much more, despite the club's chairman David Evans releasing a statement on Thursday saying the club had sought independent advice which said banned drug AOD-9604 was not performance enhancing.
"I'll leave that to David. I think it's a responsibility of the board to talk at that level and I'm here to talk about football," Hird said on Friday.
"I think the club is well in its rights to put some facts on the table."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-05/no-points-concern-for-hird
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I just threw King in cause he talks rubbish. Kings position is the player are faultless due to following orders. The WADA rules state the players must be responsible for what drugs they take. Is it not an arrogant wrong position for him to be taking?
Tim Watson is clearly delusional and has too many 'hats' on.
I don't agree with King's opinion, I reckon he is as delusional as Tim Watson but he is entitled to have that opinion.
His stance maybe arrogant and at the same time naive in thinking the players are blameless but I don't think you can call it wrong simply because you don't agree.
Besides he will look pretty stupid if they all cop bans
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This is boring. I wish they they would hurry up and get probed.
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This is boring. I wish they they would hurry up and get probed.
As long as it's not by an alien or we may never find out
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They had team,
I heard they died,
On a needle they were crucified,
Baby that was 2012,
Now they been left behind.....
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I thought Essendon fans were a delusional bunch but stuff me that club has lost the plot. They are so rooted and they just refuse to believe it. :lol
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I just threw King in cause he talks rubbish. Kings position is the player are faultless due to following orders. The WADA rules state the players must be responsible for what drugs they take. Is it not an arrogant wrong position for him to be taking?
Tim Watson is clearly delusional and has too many 'hats' on.
There is provision for extenuating circumstances and some in the know believe this may be the case. I believe the players were told to seek their own legal representation for just this.
This does not preclude them from guilt though, just a leaner sentence.
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I just threw King in cause he talks rubbish. Kings position is the player are faultless due to following orders. The WADA rules state the players must be responsible for what drugs they take. Is it not an arrogant wrong position for him to be taking?
Tim Watson is clearly delusional and has too many 'hats' on.
There is provision for extenuating circumstances and some in the know believe this may be the case. I believe the players were told to seek their own legal representation for just this.
This does not preclude them from guilt though, just a leaner sentence.
True al.
If the players get off the Club must be punished severely
Even on SEN this morning David King while defending the players bascially said he and most in the industry expect the Bumbling Bombers to be stripped of their points this season. King said everyone is expecting that the Bombers wont be able to win the premeirship this season not because they aren't a genuine contender but because of the AFL
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I just threw King in cause he talks rubbish. Kings position is the player are faultless due to following orders. The WADA rules state the players must be responsible for what drugs they take. Is it not an arrogant wrong position for him to be taking?
Tim Watson is clearly delusional and has too many 'hats' on.
There is provision for extenuating circumstances and some in the know believe this may be the case. I believe the players were told to seek their own legal representation for just this.
This does not preclude them from guilt though, just a leaner sentence.
True al.
If the players get off the Club must be punished severely
Even on SEN this morning David King while defending the players bascially said he and most in the industry expect the Bumbling Bombers to be stripped of their points this season. King said everyone is expecting that the Bombers wont be able to win the premeirship this season not because they aren't a genuine contender but because of the AFL
define severely?
points this year
draft this year
big fine
big deal.
if no player sanctions then IMO must be no points and draft next year also.
what did the blues cop again? Thats right 2 years with no draft selections.
lets not forget its not the first time these guys haven't cheated.
2 Year penalties IMO across the board.
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define severely?
points this year
draft this year
big fine
That's a start
If it was up to me
Lose all points from this season
$4mil fine, with that money going to all the other clubs. Payable by 31 October this year.
Banned from the first 3 rounds of the next 2 drafts (2013 & 2014)
Unable to sign players under free agency
Cannot trade for early draft picks
12 month ban for Hird
6 month ban for Corcoran and the doctors.
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This comment from an age reader on the current state of play nails it:-
The cover-up and damage control job that seems to be going on, just doesn't wash with common sense. Bombers have to own this problem, be accountable and be punished for any wrong doings and tarnishing of the game and their own brand. Claiming ignorance is no excuse and accepting ignorance as a defence, will do even more damage to the game and it would be out of step with near all other sports.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/asada-set-to-act-with-coercive-powers-farrell-20130705-2pgie.html
Its bad enough not fessing up when you are a drug cheat, its a whole new level of disgraceful and dishonest behaviour to consciously choose to embark on a PR campaign costing HUGE dollars to try to confuse the debate. By doing so, Essendon aren't choosing to take responsibility for the problem and for mine says just as much about the ethics of the club as the actual drug cheating that has occurred.
The clear message Is they not sorry for what has happened and they do not care about the damage it has done to the integrity of the game.
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I just threw King in cause he talks rubbish. Kings position is the player are faultless due to following orders.
True that
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This comment from an age reader on the current state of play nails it:-
The cover-up and damage control job that seems to be going on, just doesn't wash with common sense. Bombers have to own this problem, be accountable and be punished for any wrong doings and tarnishing of the game and their own brand. Claiming ignorance is no excuse and accepting ignorance as a defence, will do even more damage to the game and it would be out of step with near all other sports.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/asada-set-to-act-with-coercive-powers-farrell-20130705-2pgie.html
Its bad enough not fessing up when you are a drug cheat, its a whole new level of disgraceful and dishonest behaviour to consciously choose to embark on a PR campaign costing HUGE dollars to try to confuse the debate. By doing so, Essendon aren't choosing to take responsibility for the problem and for mine says just as much about the ethics of the club as the actual drug cheating that has occurred.
The clear message Is they not sorry for what has happened and they do not care about the damage it has done to the integrity of the game.
I concur
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Lose all points from this season
The AFL aren't exactly hosing down this idea. Actually they are the one's that 'leaked' it aren't they?
$4mil fine, with that money going to all the other clubs. Payable by 31 October this year.
:lol Nice one about the money going to the clubs. It will be going to Channel 7 as compensation for the substandard Bendigo Bombers vs Collingwood Anzac Day game.
Banned from the first 3 rounds of the next 2 drafts (2013 & 2014)
Wow. Just imagine that. The club could save a fair bit of money out of all this by not needing to have a recruitment dept for 2 years!
Can trade for early draft picks
Disagree, should say can trade for late draft picks. They should be forced to sell off their players at firesale prices.
There was one thing you forgot WP, the players. Don't you think they are responsible too?
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How about they forgo premiership points next year too depending on how many players get banned.
If its Bendigo playing then scrap the above they won't be getting premiership points anyway.
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Bombers new theme song ;)
"Ashes To Ashes"
Do you remember a sports scientist that's been
In such an early song
I've heard a rumour from WADA Control
Oh no, don't say it's true
Hirdy got a text message from the Dank Man
"I'm happy, hope IV injections make you happy too
"IV start next week. And Thymosin and Ubiquinone.
Effects details following"
The shrieking of media and opposition fans is killing
Just pictures of supplements in synthesis and I
Ain't got no medal and I ain't got no heir
But I'm hoping to kick but the footy it's glow... glow... glowing!
[CHORUS]
Ashes to ashes, funk to funky
We know Thymosin's for gym junkies
Strung out on a peptide high
About to hit an all-time low
Time and again I tell myself
I'll be cleared and alright
But the little ASADA wheels are following me
Oh no, not again
I'm stuck with a $100k valuable friend
"I'm AOD-9604, losing weight makes you happy too"
Evans says we'll be alright
but The Age says a smoking pistol
I never done good things
I never done bad things
I never did anything out of the blue,
Signed a drug consent form on advice
WADA taking me down right now
[CHORUS]
Ashes to ashes, funk to funky
We know Thymosin's for gym junkies
Strung out on a peptide high
About to hit an all-time low
My Hirdy said to get things done
Whatever it takes at Ess-en-don
My Hirdy said to get things done
Whatever it takes at Ess-en-don
My Hirdy said to get things done
Whatever it takes at Ess-en-don
My Hirdy said to get things done
Whatever it takes at Ess-en-don
;D
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Essendon report may be delayed as four more drugs probed
Carly Crawford
From: Herald Sun
July 05, 2013 11:00PM
THE Essendon footy club probe has dramatically expanded, with the world anti-doping watchdog now considering whether four additional drugs allegedly given to players should be retrospectively banned.
The World Anti-Doping Agency has confirmed it was assessing the status of the drugs.
The move casts further doubt on whether the Bombers probe can be thoroughly completed by the August deadline.
The four drugs - TA65, Melatonan II, Interleukin 6 and Cerebrolysin - are suspected of having been administered to Bombers players.
WADA said in a statement: "In relation to (these) substances, we can confirm that information in respect of these substances is being gathered, and appropriate consideration will be given as to their status under Section S0 of the list or elsewhere in due course."
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority yesterday said it was consulting with WADA on the outcome.
The Herald Sun has established that clinical records and correspondence handed to ASADA for investigation include evidence that:
* A BOMBERS star was given the anti-ageing drug TA65 early in last year's competition season.
* A SMALL number of players had been injected with Interleukin 6 at least once.
* PLAYERS were injected with an unspecified type of Melatonan.
* PLAYERS were given Cerebrolysin as part of a schedule of injections complemented by hyperbaric treatment.
(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/07/05/1226675/060452-bombers-drugs.jpg)
The Herald Sun has confirmed that Bombers coach James Hird had attended hyperbaric clinic Hypermed with former sports scientist Stephen Dank and other staff in 2012.
TA65, Melatonan II and Cerebrolysin, along with anti-obesity drug AOD-9604, were identified in the Australian Crime Commission's February report as having been given to players but were said not to be prohibited by WADA.
But WADA has told the Herald Sun the status of all these substances is now under review and they may yet be declared prohibited.
"Every year there are many new or modified substances released onto the market or black market.
"There are also people willing to use experimental substances and methods not yet clinically tested or approved for human use. It can take considerable time and analysis before we are aware of the status of these substances,
"In relation to (these) substances, WADA can confirm that information in respect of these substances is being gathered, and appropriate consideration will be given as to their status under Section S0 of the list or elsewhere in due course."
ASADA yesterday said it was consulting with WADA on the outcome of that analysis. It could not say if it would be completed before August when the authority is due to deliver its report on the Bombers' supplements.
In April, WADA declared that AOD-9604 had been prohibited since January 2011 under the S0 category, which bans any drug that has not been approved for human use by government health regulators.
Essendon is trying to defend that drug by obtaining "independent advice" from unnamed experts that it does not enhance performance. Consent forms before ASADA indicate that players were told they were to receive it.
The Herald Sun reported in May that the anti-ageing drug TA65 had formed part of the ASADA probe.
Anti-ageing medic Dr Robin Willcourt, who is pushing to have TA65 approved for use here, said he had been told an Essendon player had tried it but that he was unaware of its widespread use among athletes.
"I do not know what happened, I heard he had it but I don't think he continued on it," Dr Willcourt said, adding that in his opinion it should not be WADA-banned.
Dr Willcourt has previously told the Herald Sun he had given a small amount of TA65 to Dank.
A source familiar with Essendon's attendance at Hypermed confirmed Hird had been present with Dank, sacked high-performance coach Dean Robinson, players and other staff last year.
However, Hird is believed not to have played a role in overseeing the treatment regime.
Hypermed owner Dr Mal Hooper would not comment on the Essendon matter but said hyperbaric treatment was common for athletes.
"It is commonplace for athletes, and most international clubs including soccer, NRL and basketball use hyperbaric," he said.
Dr Hooper is considering challenging a charge of professional misconduct levelled at him in a tribunal last month.
The charge does not relate to his work with Essendon and he has co-operated with ASADA investigators, answering questions and turning over documents.
The Herald Sun revealed in May that ASADA is building a strong circumstantial case that Essendon players may have been given banned drug Thymosin beta 4, which commonly used in racehorses.
AFL deputy chief executive Gillon McLachlan said the AFL had not pressured ASADA to hurry probe, despite earlier this week declaring the AFL was resolved to having it completed next month.
On Wednesday, Mr McLachlan said the league was "committed to bringing this investigation to an end with ASADA in August, prior to the finals series" but yesterday said the AFL was a junior partner in the investigation and that ASADA would decide the timeline.
"ASADA will finish this investigation when they get it done ... I don't think we would have the ability to influence them to get things completed ahead of time."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-report-may-be-delayed-as-four-more-drugs-probed/story-fndv8gad-1226675061758
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define severely?
points this year
draft this year
big fine
That's a start
If it was up to me
Lose all points from this season
$4mil fine, with that money going to all the other clubs. Payable by 31 October this year.
Banned from the first 3 rounds of the next 2 drafts (2013 & 2014)
Unable to sign players under free agency
Can trade for early draft picks
12 month ban for Hird
6 month ban for Corcoran and the doctors.
Nice WP, but to be honest who will go. Gumbleton maybe. Bellchambers still contracted and won't go.
Who else they got.
The lack of accountability and commentary by the cheats and the afl, IMO says a deal is being negotiated behind the scenes. Nice little 6 month sentence and all is in order by round 1.
Il say it again Hird golden flog will not get sanctioned by dimwit. No chance. It's common sense but dimwit has proven he has no idea how to run this organisation. The only successful thing he has done is nail a milf.
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Bombers new theme song ;)
"Ashes To Ashes"
Do you remember a sports scientist that's been
In such an early song
I've heard a rumour from WADA Control
Oh no, don't say it's true
Hirdy got a text message from the Dank Man
"I'm happy, hope IV injections make you happy too
"IV start next week. And Thymosin and Ubiquinone.
Effects details following"
The shrieking of media and opposition fans is killing
Just pictures of supplements in synthesis and I
Ain't got no medal and I ain't got no heir
But I'm hoping to kick but the footy it's glow... glow... glowing!
[CHORUS]
Ashes to ashes, funk to funky
We know Thymosin's for gym junkies
Strung out on a peptide high
About to hit an all-time low
Time and again I tell myself
I'll be cleared and alright
But the little ASADA wheels are following me
Oh no, not again
I'm stuck with a $100k valuable friend
"I'm AOD-9604, losing weight makes you happy too"
Evans says we'll be alright
but The Age says a smoking pistol
I never done good things
I never done bad things
I never did anything out of the blue,
Signed a drug consent form on advice
WADA taking me down right now
[CHORUS]
Ashes to ashes, funk to funky
We know Thymosin's for gym junkies
Strung out on a peptide high
About to hit an all-time low
My Hirdy said to get things done
Whatever it takes at Ess-en-don
My Hirdy said to get things done
Whatever it takes at Ess-en-don
My Hirdy said to get things done
Whatever it takes at Ess-en-don
My Hirdy said to get things done
Whatever it takes at Ess-en-don
;D
Very funny MT :lol. Next up you should try a variation on Neil Young's "The Needle and the Damage Done".
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Can trade for early draft picks
Disagree, should say can trade for late draft picks. They should be forced to sell off their players at firesale prices.
Sorry that was a typo in my part it should have read CANNOT trade for early draft picks (eg picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft over the next 2 seasons) but can trade late picks
There was one thing you forgot WP, the players. Don't you think they are responsible too?
The penalties I listed were based on the players getting off which was the original question to me when I said if the players get off the club should be punished severely
My personal view has not chaged and that is under the WADA nad ASADA rules the players must be banned, the rules are clear ignorance is not a defence, therefore players should be banned end of story
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Nice WP, but to be honest who will go. Gumbleton maybe. Bellchambers still contracted and won't go.
Who else they got.
The lack of accountability and commentary by the cheats and the afl, IMO says a deal is being negotiated behind the scenes. Nice little 6 month sentence and all is in order by round 1.
Il say it again Hird golden flog will not get sanctioned by dimwit. No chance. It's common sense but dimwit has proven he has no idea how to run this organisation. The only successful thing he has done is nail a milf.
daniel they must under the rules de-list a minimum of 3 players, then players who are uncontracted can walk.
Other lcubs are not going to trade with the Bombers
We saw the long term effects that losing early picks can have on a club when Carlton copped thier whack for salary cap cheating, same logic yuo would think will apply
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The media make me sick. :chuck
Golden boy Hird has to be kicked out of footy.
The bombers couldn't wait to crucify Knights who got them into the finals with no "supplement" program in place.
The golden boy gets his dodgy mates (Shane Charters & his dodgy mates) on board with him to implement a program that "pushed the boundaries".
We've got buckleys from the media on Hird except for Carro Wilson & Patrick Smith.
I'm sure if it was ANY other coach he would've been crucified by the media by now.
Hird wanted the program.
Hird implemented the program.
Hird oversaw the program.
The buck stops with Hird. He pretty much said it himself at the first press conference in feb.
The media are soft on him and I'm fed up with it.
If Hird comes out of this clean and doesn't get kicked out of footy the AFL competition will NEVER be the same for me. He needs to be taught a lesson he needs to be made an example of by the AFL hierarchy that this sort of poo will NOT be tolerated EVER.
Golden boy needs to be kicked out of footy and banned forever.
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Laws who is 'Jab Whatsin' on BF :lol
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GWS GIANTS 1.3
ESSENDON BOMBERS 5.9
MELBOURNE DEMONS 15.7
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GWS GIANTS 1.3
ESSENDON BOMBERS 5.9
MELBOURNE DEMONS 15.7
Source & link Bents?
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GWS GIANTS 1.3
ESSENDON BOMBERS 5.9
MELBOURNE DEMONS 15.7
whats this?
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yeah what is it?
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yeah what is it?
I'm guessing they are meant to be wooden spoon odds but Bents hasn't provided a source & link to verify them.
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Bents is a bookie he doesn't need a link FFS
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Get off his back OE. ;D
Bents has been on fire all week.
He has been the OER poster of the week this week.
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http://www.way2bet.com.au/sportsbet/AFL/2013-AFL-Futures/AFL-Futures/Wooden-Spoon/19707/19708/44692
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Karma for Jab Watson.
Broken collarbone.
You can cheat the public pal but not the bloke upstairs.
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Karma for Jab Watson.
Broken collarbone.
You can cheat the public pal but not the bloke upstairs.
If he aint Orthodox or Catholic in that order what do you expect? :lol
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Karma for Jab Watson.
Broken collarbone.
You can cheat the public pal but not the bloke upstairs.
If he aint Orthodox or Catholic in that order what do you expect? :lol
Essendon's origins have always been Protestant.
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Karma for Jab Watson.
Broken collarbone.
You can cheat the public pal but not the bloke upstairs.
If he aint Orthodox or Catholic in that order what do you expect? :lol
Essendon's origins have always been Protestant.
Hahaha
They don't even know what they are
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http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/essendon-report-may-be-delayed-as-four-more-drugs-probed/story-e6frg6n6-1226675061758
Interlukin6 caused tumors and heart attack
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Doc Larkins on 3aw tonight saying how can David Evans claim these drugs aren't performance enhancing when there's been no clinical human trials to test them. This stuff is all experimental. Larkins also said Essendon is in trouble on a number of fronts.
Karma for Jab Watson.
Broken collarbone.
You can cheat the public pal but not the bloke upstairs.
Ch 7 tonight saying Watson probably won't be back before the finals.
Ummm .... that would mean he's gone for the season as the Bombers won't be allowed to play in September lol.
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Bombers unwittingly part of a 'pharmacological experimental' workplace: AFLPA
Jon Pierik
The Age
July 11, 2013
AFL players boss Matt Finnis has blamed the Essendon Football Club for the supplements scandal, insisting players had no choice but to be part of the "pharmacological experimental" workplace.
The push for the joint investigation by the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority to absolve the players of blame for taking banned substances under a program run by former sports scientist Stephen Dank gathers momentum.
Jobe Watson's recent comments during a television interview that he had been administered what he believed was AOD-9604 through club doctor Bruce Reid, added to suggestions there was a growing bid for the club, coaches and staff to face sanctions, with players escaping punishment.
Players may have also taken Melatonan II, anti-ageing drug TA65, Interleukin 6 and Cerebrolysin.
Finnis said the players had not willingly taken any banned drug.
"Players understand they do have responsibilities under the WADA [World Anti-Doping Agency] code in terms of the way we combat the use of performance-enhancing drugs and ultimately curb cheating," he said.
"But an issue like this is quite complex. We must ensure that ultimate culpability resides with those that are most responsible and the information that has been before me thus far indicates that no players have been willing participants in any kind of activity which is designed to cut corners or to gain an unfair advantage.
"But others ultimately are going to have to ultimately share responsibility for that and the culpability will ultimately lie where the investigation says it should."
There have been suggestions players, even the leadership group, should have questioned more what they were being administered, especially as they had signed waiver forms and confidentiality agreements and were taken to a clinic across the road from their training venue for injections.
But Finnis said on the "information available to me, I am not sure what more players can do".
"From the moment they come into the game, players are told to put their trust and confidence in the experts, the medical advisers, the fitness staff in relation to any kind of supplements that they are going to take. That's because it is quite a complex area," he said.
"I think what the players have done we would expect any prudent responsible player to do and they have relied upon that advice. If they have let down by that, ultimately under the eyes of the WADA code, then the responsibility for that will be sheeted home.
"But let's not forget, these players were placed in an absolutely untenable position where they have been allegedly administered substances which more were not approved for human use. Regardless of whether or not these were performance-enhancing, let's not lose sight of the bigger picture – that no player should ever go to work in a workplace which can be described as pharmacological experimental."
Interviews with ASADA have now been completed, with Essendon senior assistant coach Mark Thompson the last to be questioned last week. Thompson had said his interview was "pretty intense".
Essendon this week held a meeting to update the families of players.
If found guilty, players could face bans of up to two years, while the Bombers face a heavy financial sanction and the loss of premiership points. The two casualties, so far, have been chief executive Ian Robson, and fitness boss Dean Robinson – the latter suspended but on full pay. Dank, who has refused to be interviewed by authorities, denies any wrong-doing.
"I am not going to pre-empt what penalties should apply until we see the investigation but I think the public should be really proud that the players have co-operated, they have been honest, they have been candid and at every step they have co-operated with the investigation," Finnis said.
Bombers president David Evans maintains the peptide AOD-9604 was not performance enhancing, although it is banned by WADA.
The AFL wants the investigation to be completed by mid August, ensuring the finals series can go ahead without threat.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-unwittingly-part-of-a-pharmacological-experimental-workplace-aflpa-20130710-2pq40.html#ixzz2YfWnnsaM
AFL players union boss Matt Finnis says it is important those most responsible for any anti-doping breach at Essendon pay the highest price - and is adamant that should not be the players.
As the investigation into Essendon's supplements use in 2012 continues, Finnis says he doesn't know what more Bombers players could have done to ensure they were doing the right thing under the World Anti-Doping Agency code.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-players-association-boss-matt-finnis-says-essendon-players-should-not-be-penalised/story-fndv8gad-1226677283773#mm-breached
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Finnis has got to be kidding right?? Surely WADA and the AFL aren't buying this bullplop that the players didn't know what they were taking. They signed waivers and were taken offsite to have the injections administered for crying out loud. The players were as complicit in this whole stinking scandal as the club, the coaches and the doctors. THROW THE FRICKEN LIBRARY AT THE LOT OF THEM!!!
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Finnis has got to be kidding right??
Always thought Finnis was a fool
His comments on this prove it, the players aren't to blame.... Please ... responsibility :banghead
Clearly clueless
Isn't it great to see him encouraging the people he represents to not take any repsonsibility for their own stupidity... great example to set ......
NOT :banghead :banghead
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:facepalm
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Its going to end up with a slap on the wrist if anyone expected anything else they were kidding themselves.. :facepalm
By the way please dont mind the lumps under the rug of the AFL foyer we often sweep our rubbish under there
AFL handing out punishment to Essendrugtanktide= :cuddles
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They cannot afford to be weak the integrity of the sport is at stake.
If the AFL are pi$$weak there will be bona fide fans who will be disenchanted by this and go back to grass roots footy rather than supporting AFL due to the ongoing misappropriation.
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Its going to end up with a slap on the wrist if anyone expected anything else they were kidding themselves.. :facepalm
By the way please dont mind the lumps under the rug of the AFL foyer we often sweep our rubbish under there
AFL handing out punishment to Essendrugtanktide= :cuddles
Yes.
The lack of integrity is disgusting.
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With Essendon facing possible severe sanctions over the alleged use of banned substances, betting outlets across Australia are drawing up contingency plans to deal with the possible removal of the Bombers from betting markets.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bookmakers-plan-for-bomber-ban-20130711-2pt7b.html#ixzz2YlBv40yb
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Supplements saga may drag on for years
By Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
Friday, July 12, 2013
THE END of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation next month may only be the beginning of years of legal drama for Essendon.
If the Bombers are proven to have endangered the health of their players they could be in breach of Victoria's workplace safety laws and face fines totaling more than $1 million.
The club could also face a lengthy legal fight with its players for compensation related to damaged reputations and loss of earnings.
"It could be significant sums of money and it could be a very long period to recover those sums," Maurice Blackburn's principal in employment law Kamal Farouque told AFL.com.au.
"The ASADA process may not be the end of the story; it could be just the start of the story," he said.
He indicated any litigation process could last two years.
ASADA and AFL are continuing a probe into the Bombers' 2012 supplements program, with the findings due in August.
So far Victoria's workplace regulator is not investigating, but it hasn't ruled out looking into the case after other inquiries are complete.
“WorkSafe is not investigating this matter as more appropriate bodies are looking into the issue," a spokesman told AFL.com.au.
Under section 21 of the 2004 Occupational Health and Safety Act there could be grounds to prosecute.
"An employer must, so far as is reasonably practicable, provide and maintain for employees of the employer a working environment that is safe and without risks to health," the act reads.
Both organisations and individuals can be liable for massive fines, although WorkSafe rarely takes action against individuals.
"If any employer in the course of employment administered or procured their employees to have administered a substance which endangered their health and safety then that would raise obvious implications under the Occupational Health and Safety Act," Farouque said.
"If there was the potential for that then Essendon could be investigated by WorkSafe, and if WorkSafe thought that there was sufficient evidence to sustain a prosecution they could be prosecuted by WorkSafe," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-12/dons-drama-may-drag-on
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AFL chief Andrew Demetriou reiterates league's hope to have Bombers' probe wrapped up by end of August
Ben Broad
News Limited Network
July 12, 2013 10:42AM
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou may have given hope to Essendon's case for avoiding major sanctions over the supplements scandal.
The league chief indicated there were conflicting reports as to the status of the drug central to the investigation - AOD-9604
While the league boss didn't give hint as whether Essendon would or wouldn't face major sanctions, he reiterated the league's stance that it hoped to have a conclusion to the investigation before the finals.
The cloudy picture as to whether AOD-9604 - the drug central to the Bombers scandal - is in fact banned may help Essendon's cause, with the club likely to argue that point should any penalty be handed out.
"There is a view from WADA that they have deemed AOD9604 to be banned," Demetriou told 3AW on Friday morning.
"The AFL received the ACC report where it was determined that it wasn't banned, so there is an issue whether it is banned or not banned - there is a classification issue around that.
"I'm not going to speculate whether it is or it isn't, other than to say that this investigation is coming to an end.
"We're at a point in time where when we receive the report, the public ... all of us are entitled to hear the truth. I think everybody is impatient about getting to end of this matter and none moreso than the AFL."
Demetriou didn't want to to speculate on whether Essendon could possibly be stripped of their premiership points for the 2013 season, or whether the Bombers' Brownlow medallist Jobe Watson knew what drug he had been administered during the club's supplements program.
Last month Watson shocked fans - and his club - by admitting on Fox Footy's On the Couch that he believed he had taken AOD-9604.
Demetriou defended the league's handling of the investigation and said he hoped the saga could be resolved before September.
"We do believe that we might have an outcome before the end of August," he said.
"That's what we're working towards, we're not trying to expedite the process.
"Everyone's been interviewed, it's been an extensive investigation, 130 interviews ... This is an investigation that's very complex and I think what we should say is it's been well-handled because we're getting to the bottom of it."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-chief-andrew-demetriou-reiterates-leagues-hope-to-have-bombers-probe-wrapped-up-by-end-of-august/story-fni5f6kv-1226678334973
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I don't regret AOD admission: Watson
By Ben Guthrie
afl.com.au
Friday, July 12, 2013
ESSENDON captain Jobe Watson does not regret his public admission that he believes he was administered the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604.
Watson told On The Couch last month he thinks he was administered the drug, which is on the World Anti-Doping Agency's banned list, during the 2012 season.
Last year's Brownlow medallist said he could not bother himself with retracting his comments, but could not say why he chose the public forum.
"I suppose with the interview it's a very sensitive subject at the moment and what's happened has happened and I can't control that anymore," Watson told radio station Fox FM on Friday morning.
"I've said what I've said and I've done what I've done and I'm not going to live retrospectively.
"But like everyone I'm waiting for the investigation to be complete."
Watson said the whole process was unprecedented.
"It was a new frontier for us. The experience of having that many injections was something I had not experienced in AFL football before," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-12/i-dont-regret-it-jobe
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Demetriou has doubts over drug
Jon Pierik
The Age
July 13, 2013
Andrew Demetriou has reopened the debate over the legality of the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604, claiming there is a ''classification issue'' about the supplement believed to have been administered to Essendon's players last year.
In its February report, the Australian Crime Commission says of the AOD-9604 peptide: ''During phase two clinical trials it was also found to have an anabolic effect to cartilage tissue and may promote cartilage creation and repair and have a capacity to enhance muscle formation.'' But it then adds: ''AOD-9604 is not currently a WADA prohibited substance.''
However, later in the report, it says, ''AOD-9604 is not currently prohibited under category S2 of the WADA prohibited list. AOD-9604 is not approved for human use.''
The drug is not banned under section S.2 because its performance-enhancing benefits are in question.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, though, maintains the drug was banned under the ''catch-all'' section S.0 since 2011, although it had to clarify this in April.
It's this grey area that Essendon hopes it can use to prove it was misled by ASADA, although an alleged letter given to former sports scientist Stephen Dank confirming the drug was not banned has yet to be publicly seen. Dank has refused to help authorities.
Having returned from a mid-season break, Demetriou, the AFL chief executive, said on Friday there were still issues about AOD-9604.
''There is a view from WADA that they have deemed AOD-9604 to be banned. The AFL received the ACC report where it was determined in that report that it wasn't banned,'' he said. ''There is an issue around whether it is banned or not banned. There is a classification issue around that, but again I am not going to speculate … other than to say this investigation is coming to an end.''
The classification of AOD-9604 is a key part of Essendon's defence, reinforced in a message to Essendon members from club chairman David Evans last week when he said experts had declared the drug was not performance enhancing. He also did not concede players had been administered the drug in 2012.
ASADA maintains AOD-9604 is banned under S.0, and is classified as: ''Any pharmacological substance which is not addressed by any of the subsequent sections of the list and with no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use (e.g drugs under pre-clinical or clinical development or discontinued, designer drugs, substances approved only for veterinary use) is prohibited at all times."
Essendon captain Jobe Watson, who said he believed he had been administered the drug, said on Friday he was looking forward to the investigation ending.
While there has been a focus on the anti-obesity drug, players may have also taken Melantonan II, anti-ageing drug TA65, Interleukin 6 and Cerebrolysin.
Speaking on 3AW, Demetriou said: ''We do believe we might have an outcome before the end of August. That's what we are working towards.
''We are not trying to expedite the process. Everyone has been interviewed, it's been an extensive investigation, 130 interviews, but hopefully that's the timeline we work towards.''
Demetriou said if a player was charged, he would appear before an AFL tribunal.
AFL Players Association chief executive Matt Finnis maintains players are not to blame, despite signing consent forms.
Players could face bans of up to two years, but these could be extinguished under a ''no-fault'' clause.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetriou-has-doubts-over-drug-20130712-2pv5z.html#ixzz2YqTUWCvF
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:bluesbros
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the rules clearly say that any substance not approved for human use is illegal.
Stuff me, that rule is a safety net for such legal maneuvering and now that dictatorial little turd is trying it on.
But really, how clear cut can that be? drug not appoved for human use = banned substance.
Andy just wants to...
(http://bellscorners.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/sweep_under_rug_21753183.jpg)
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the rules clearly say that any substance not approved for human use is illegal.
Stuff me, that rule is a safety net for such legal maneuvering and now that dictatorial little turd is trying it on.
But really, how clear cut can that be? drug not appoved for human use = banned substance.
Andy just wants to...
(http://bellscorners.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/sweep_under_rug_21753183.jpg)
I'm surprised Andy D has any room left under that carpet with 'tanking', 'salary cap cheating' and Jeff Gieschen already hiding under there ;) ;D.
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and harbouring alleged rapists
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the rules clearly say that any substance not approved for human use is illegal.
Stuff me, that rule is a safety net for such legal maneuvering and now that dictatorial little turd is trying it on.
But really, how clear cut can that be? drug not appoved for human use = banned substance.
Andy just wants to...
(http://bellscorners.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/sweep_under_rug_21753183.jpg)
I'm surprised Andy D has any room left under that carpet with 'tanking', 'salary cap cheating' and Jeff Gieschen already hiding under there ;) ;D.
Don't worry guys I'm back from hols
I'll just sweep this away
1/2 mill fine but not guilt y
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and harbouring alleged rapists
:clapping
Any other professional workplace involving the public and they would be stood down.
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Andy D should just step down. This has all happened on his watch and all he does is ignore the issues.
Changes and ignorance during his tenure has left the game worse off. :help
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the rules clearly say that any substance not approved for human use is illegal.
Stuff me, that rule is a safety net for such legal maneuvering and now that dictatorial little turd is trying it on.
But really, how clear cut can that be? drug not appoved for human use = banned substance.
Andy just wants to...
(http://bellscorners.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/sweep_under_rug_21753183.jpg)
I'm surprised Andy D has any room left under that carpet with 'tanking', 'salary cap cheating' and Jeff Gieschen already hiding under there ;) ;D.
You have never spoken truer words MT! :thumbsup
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Andy D should just step down. This has all happened on his watch and all he does is ignore the issues.
Changes and ignorance during his tenure has left the game worse off. :help
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Andy D should just step down. This has all happened on his watch and all he does is ignore the issues.
Changes and ignorance during his tenure has left the game worse off. :help
He goes on holiday :o
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Andy D should just step down. This has all happened on his watch and all he does is ignore the issues.
Changes and ignorance during his tenure has left the game worse off. :help
He goes on holiday :o
That's Giesche.
He goes to the Olympics on AFL research. ::)
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Bombers optimistic on players
Jon Pierik
July 14, 2013
''I think that's where the confidence out of Essendon is so strong. I am just believing now from a comment Gillon [McLachlan] made last week, Andrew Demetriou yesterday [Friday], the way Matty Finnis represented the players - the club is at fault here,'' Lloyd said on 3AW. ''It just seems like a big fine for the club, maybe [the loss of] draft picks, but the Essendon Football Club believes premiership points won't be a factor and the players should be OK.''
The AFL has said any punishment could include the loss of premiership points. As the Bombers are ensconced in the top eight, this could mean the team in ninth position could slip into the finals.
Former St Kilda coach Grant Thomas took to Twitter on Saturday, claiming: ''Andy preparing us for soft decision re Bomber drug issue. Weighed in with doubt around drug being on banned list. WADA says it's banned.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-optimistic-on-players-20130713-2px5q.html#ixzz2YwUQDHvk
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Andrew Demetriou says Essendon will not get a soft landing
Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
July 15, 2013 9:31PM
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou says people should not assume he has set the scene for a soft landing for Essendon in the drugs scandal.
Demetriou said his comments about the "classification issue" of anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 should not be construed as a sign the league was pre-empting the outcome of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority inquiry into the club's supplements program.
He said he was answering a question about the drug that the World Anti-Doping Agency says is banned, but an Australian Crime Commission report said was not on the prohibited list.
"I wasn't pre-empting or softening ... it was one of the more nonsensical things I've heard," Demetriou said.
"I was asked, 'Does the AFL believe AOD-9604 was a banned substance?' I said I'm not giving a running commentary but I will say there is some uncertainty about the status of AOD-9604.
"Why don't people listen to the whole interview (with 3AW's Neil Mitchell).
"We have not got the final report ... and once we get the report, we'll know."
The AFL Commission briefly discussed the drugs saga on Monday night. Demetriou said possible penalties were not raised.
"Because it may or may not come before the commission, we don't discuss much because the report is not finished," he said.
The report is expected next month but will not have any input from the man at the centre of the scandal, sports scientist Stephen Dank.
Despite recently urging Dank to talk to ASADA, Demetriou said Dank had spoken to the ACC.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/andrew-demetriou-says-essendon-will-not-get-a-soft-landing/story-fndv8gad-1226679834717#mm-breached
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:bluesbros
What's the name of the place?, ahh, Bob's Country Bunker, here we are
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Brock McLean going off on twittee
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There is no uncertainty about its status!
Just because it is not specifically on the list of banned substances does not mean it is not banned!
How can some one so high powered be so clueless and inept?
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There is no uncertainty about its status!
Just because it is not specifically on the list of banned substances does not mean it is not banned!
How can some one so high powered be so clueless and inept?
It's doing my head in these "Wasn't on the banned list" poo.
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Aod has been banned since 2011
Demetrio is cutting deals cause he doesn't want his prescious Essen Don to get done
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Apparently with the breaking of the athletics drug scandal on SEN yesterday, there was a massive caller and SMS backlash against the Ox and the other peanut after they said the scandal would make them give up watching mens sprints alike giving up watching mens cycling due to a lack of integrity in the sport.....
The backlash, however, wasn't about giving up watching the sports, but rather, the double standards between their view of mens cycling and sprinting vs the soft touch afforded to essendon.
Fair point too.
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Essendon will get off IMHO. Gerrard Whately had some information that should put them in the clear IMHO on a technicality. Its a disgrace.
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Essendon will get off IMHO. Gerrard Whately had some information that should put them in the clear IMHO on a technicality. Its a disgrace.
I haven't watched 360 I was walking the dogs ;D
But even if that is true Ramps the AFL can still whack them for "bringing the game into disrepute" (which they clearly have BTW).
This is the biggest test the AFL has faced in the last 20 odd years if not all time.
Do they have the guts to make a stand, make an example of Essendon and whack them so hard that it will take them decades to comeback from?
I don't think they have a choice but we shall see
The integrity of the enitre competition is at stake, no "ifs", "buts" or "maybes"
they keep telling us the integirty of the competition is paramount let's see if they are prepared to back those words with ruthless action
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they keep telling us the integirty of the competition is paramount let's see if they are prepared to back those words with ruthless action
Reckon that's just talk
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Public relations company earning there keep
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Surprise Surprise
Face it lads a demon style penalty is coming
500k but we will give you 1.5 mil anyway so your net gain is 1mil
Same thing will happen here
1 mil fine is a drop in the ocean for bombers
This AFL is broken. A complete farce of an organisation along with wankharder or whatever their called
I too was walking the dog and actually saw dimwit flog himself at the end of the show through the window, so can someone tell me what the technicality is?
Every other club and its supporters should boycot all bombers games for 2014 then we will see some change. This is going down just as I expected
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Still not over yet
ACC has released a statement today about the status of AOD-9604:
ACC STATEMENT: AOD-9604
Tue, 16/07/2013
The Australian Crime Commission sought expert advice from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) at the time of developing the Organised Crime and Drugs in Sport report and was advised (correctly) that AOD-9604 is not prohibited under schedule S2 of the WADA prohibited list[1].
The World Anti-Doping Authority (WADA) is the pre-eminent authority and expert in this field and the Australian Crime Commission welcomes the subsequent clarification by WADA on 22 April 2013 of the status of AOD-9604 as a prohibited substance under the S0 classification. The WADA statement confirms that AOD-9604 was a prohibited substance, both in and out of competition, during the period of activity that was investigated by Project Aperio.
The S0 classification reflects WADA’s advice that there is no current approval by any governmental regulatory health authority in the world for human therapeutic use of AOD-9604. One of the concerns held by the ACC during Project Aperio was that professional athletes were being administered substances that had not been approved for use on humans.
John Lawler AM APM
Chief Executive Officer
Australian Crime Commission
http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/media/acc-statement-aod-9604
Bombers are in strife, clarification now received and clear
AOD-9604 is a banned substance under WADA rules
End of story, end of investigation IMHO
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Your clutching WP
It's over let's just hope they get smashed in the finals by the RFC
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Just watching the replay of AFL360 and Gerrard's statements on what he has found out.
After listening to that I agree daniel looks like I 'm clutching now
Understand what Whately was saying and reasonable assumptions made by him based on the info he has received.
Doesn't make it right though
Disgraceful that they are likely to get off, just disgraceful
Though the one sentence that still gives hope that they will get punished is the bit about it being banned while the ACC was doing their investigation that covers the period the Bombers were using the AOD.
Worse thing is The AFL wont have the guts now to do what they need to do because they are too scared and worried about ending up in court
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the fat lady is not singing yet dannybhoy.
ASADA is also investigating the possible use of other drugs which could be illegal or performance-enhancing.
But while it could be the smoking gun if proven by Essendon, ASADA was still maintaining last night it had never told a sporting body AOD-9604 was permitted.
Australian Crime Commission boss John Lawler confirmed last night that the policing body had been given advice by ASADA that the drug was not illegal under the S.2 anti-doping provision.
But ASADA said the drug was still illegal under the S.0 catch-all provision for banned substances not fit for human use.
That S.0 catch-all is the basis of WADA's concrete ruling that the drug is illegal for sport and will result in bans for those who use it.
ASADA's statement to Fox Footy stated: ''ASADA has not advised any party that AOD-9604 is permitted in sport. ASADA correctly advised ACC that AOD-9604 was not prohibited under S.2 of the WADA prohibited list, however made no reference to its status under S.0. There is no difference between the substances WADA and ASADA consider prohibited.''
WADA has consistently stated AOD-9604 was illegal from January 2011, with Essendon captain Jobe Watson admitting he believed he took the substance.
Even if ASADA exonerates or fails to prosecute Essendon players, WADA could come over the top with an appeal.
hun
Post the link Bents ...... http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-could-avoid-sanctions-over-alleged-peptide-use/story-fni5f6kv-1226680402347
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Essendon players could avoid sanctions over alleged peptide use
Jon Ralph, Mark Robinson
Herald Sun
July 16, 2013 9:56PM
ESSENDON's players will not face ASADA sanction from its use of AOD-9604, it was claimed last night.
The club’s confidence the players will escape penalty stem from their knowledge that the anti-obesity drug was not banned in 2012.
It was claimed last night, and later confirmed by Essendon sources, the club inquired to anti-doping body ASADA about its players taking the drug in early 2012 and was told it was not a prohibited substance.
Former sports scientist Stephen Dank has also confirmed he spoke to ASADA about the drug.
Dank has also confirmed he administered the drug to Essendon players on the belief that it was safe for use.
Essendon has previously refused to comment on reports that a leading ASADA investigator told them on May 6 this year: ''I don't believe it (AOD-9604) should ever have been on the prohibited list.''
The Dons were allegedly told by ASADA the prospects of a prosecution for the use of AOD-9604 was ''very, very, very low''.
Essendon sources told the Herald Sun the statement by the lead investigator was made in front of a large collection of Essendon players and coaches.
The Herald Sun has previously put that allegation to ASADA, which declined to comment.
If true, the statements aired on AFL 360 would clear Essendon's players of use of AOD-9604.
But ASADA is also investigating the possible use of other drugs which could be illegal or performance-enhancing.
But while it could be the smoking gun if proven by Essendon, ASADA was still maintaining last night it had never told a sporting body AOD-9604 was permitted.
Australian Crime Commission boss John Lawler confirmed last night that the policing body had been given advice by ASADA that the drug was not illegal under the S.2 anti-doping provision.
But ASADA said the drug was still illegal under the S.0 catch-all provision for banned substances not fit for human use.
That S.0 catch-all is the basis of WADA's concrete ruling that the drug is illegal for sport and will result in bans for those who use it.
ASADA's statement to Fox Footy stated: ''ASADA has not advised any party that AOD-9604 is permitted in sport. ASADA correctly advised ACC that AOD-9604 was not prohibited under S.2 of the WADA prohibited list, however made no reference to its status under S.0. There is no difference between the substances WADA and ASADA consider prohibited.''
WADA has consistently stated AOD-9604 was illegal from January 2011, with Essendon captain Jobe Watson admitting he believed he took the substance.
Even if ASADA exonerates or fails to prosecute Essendon players, WADA could come over the top with an appeal.
But if Essendon was explicitly told by ASADA that it could take AOD-9604 before it started injecting players, the chances of suspensions are remote.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou told the program last night he could not comment on the claims.
''All I will say is that there is some uncertainty around the status of AOD-9604 and what I don't want to do is pre-empt the outcome of the investigation. The public, the media, and the football world are demanding answers. They want to know, they should know and we are all very keen to get to the outcome of the ASADA investigation and that's when those questions will be answered, and I am not going to provide any more commentary than that.''
AFL 360 host Gerard Whateley was adamant Essendon players would escape penalty.
''Essendon players in my opinion will not receive infraction notices. If you are getting advice from the body you are told to report to that it is not prohibited, then I don't believe - as the chief investigator stated - that such a charge could be sustained.
''It's not a technicality. It runs right to the core of what this is all about. It wasn't a banned substance under definition in Australia in 2012 under the best advice you could get.''
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-could-avoid-sanctions-over-alleged-peptide-use/story-fni5f6kv-1226680402347
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Doesn't make it right though
Disgraceful that they are likely to get off, just disgraceful
Sums it up. They've taken it, it's prohibited, they should be banned. Not sure what Gerard said that has changed anything. Been reading they were told it was not prohibited under S2 since it began he just used a different tone and now people think it differently
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The fat lady has well and truly sing on this fantasy that most of us had where this would end up
It's over lads they have found a legal loophole which allows drugs in the AFL
AFL, like the Tanking debacle, will avoid a legal battle and just throw a fine their way. It will be big but chicken feed to a major player like them.
With Robson gone, possibly another their penalty will be seen to be completed
I prepared myself for a soft landing when Demetriou back flipped and defended the turd.
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But ASADA said the drug was still illegal under the S.0 catch-all provision for banned substances not fit for human use.
That S.0 catch-all is the basis of WADA's concrete ruling that the drug is illegal for sport and will result in bans for those who use it.
ASADA's statement to Fox Footy stated: ''ASADA has not advised any party that AOD-9604 is permitted in sport. ASADA correctly advised ACC that AOD-9604 was not prohibited under S.2 of the WADA prohibited list, however made no reference to its status under S.0. There is no difference between the substances WADA and ASADA consider prohibited.''
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The fat lady has well and truly sing on this fantasy that most of us had where this would end up
It's over lads they have found a legal loophole which allows drugs in the AFL
AFL, like the Tanking debacle, will avoid a legal battle and just throw a fine their way. It will be big but chicken feed to a major player like them.
With Robson gone, possibly another their penalty will be seen to be completed
I prepared myself for a soft landing when the Cypriot c...back flipped and defended the turd.
Gerald Whetly is not God.
take what he says with a grain of salt.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-warned-hird-against-peptides-20130716-2q2ih.html
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just read it :shh
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Seriously, the EFC Is screwed-tainted for life and James Hird...well, it's only going to get worse once the doping issue hits, with Caro holding an ace that will totally discredit him on a personal level, if there was any room left to do so. :thumbsup
Stupid married men. ::)
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Gotta love Caro
Like a dog with a bone when it comes to the golden haired boy; Jimmy and giving him whacks :clapping :clapping
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I'm glad she doesn't hate my guts. Lol.
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I too was walking the dog and actually saw dimwit flog himself at the end of the show through the window
this disturbed me
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I too was walking the dog and actually saw dimwit flog himself at the end of the show through the window
this disturbed me
lmfao. HAHAHA thats funny G.
wrongly worded by myself.
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Bombers not in the clear yet over controversial supplement program
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
July 17, 2013 11:04AM
Essendon supporters have been bashed from pillar to post and, desperate to defend their club, are clinging to this revelation like the last lifeboat to leave the Titanic. Any other fervent fan would do the same.
But what about the other drugs? What about the allegation players were injected with the banned Thymosin Beta 4? What about what Ziggy Switkowski described as a "disturbing pharmacologically experimental environment''?
Why sack Ian Robson?
Why call in the players' parents?
Heck, why call in ASADA in February to investigate if they gave Essendon the green light in the first place?
And what of the AFL Commission, which league boss Andrew Demetriou last night said had broad powers to inflict its own punishment on the Bombers?
ASADA is the governing body in this country, but WADA president John Fahey has threatened to appeal any judgement his organisation believes is too light.
There is a tidal wave of water to go under the bridge yet.
And, you guessed it, plenty more questions.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-not-in-the-clear-yet-over-controversial-supplement-program/story-fni5f6kv-1226680637080
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I too was walking the dog and actually saw dimwit flog himself at the end of the show through the window
this disturbed me
:lol
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Club Statement
essendonfc.com.au
4:40pm AEST Wednesday, July 17, 2013
Essendon Football Club would like to make the following statement in relation to an article in The Age newspaper today and comments made by journalist Caroline Wilson in the media recently.
There has been a disturbing amount of inappropriate and factually incorrect information being reported regarding senior coach James Hird and the ASADA/AFL investigation at the Essendon Football Club.
At all times, Essendon players, staff, officials and coaches have fully cooperated with the ASADA/AFL investigation and the Club has repeatedly stated that the ASADA investigators must be allowed to complete their investigation.
As requested by ASADA investigators, Essendon coach James Hird has agreed not to disclose matters discussed at his interview until the completion of the investigation.
Today, The Age reported that “sources close to the joint investigation by ASADA and the AFL” have provided information to The Age.
Representatives from the Club have requested all parties to the investigation to guarantee confidentiality and to afford natural justice. Breaching this confidentiality directly undermines the trust in the process and selective disclosure of information relating to the investigation appears to be deliberately threatening the integrity of this process.
For the reputation and integrity of senior coach James Hird to be questioned without the right to due process, is extremely disturbing and inappropriate in the circumstances.
Today, The Age reported that James Hird received a ‘warning’ after he had been ‘investigating the anti-doping status of certain peptides.’
This is factually incorrect. Until the ASADA investigation is completed the full context of this particular meeting should not be the subject of innuendo.
On Monday night on Channel 9’s Footy Classified program and on Tuesday night on 3AW’s Sports Today program, Caroline Wilson, referring to the Club’s supplements regime falsely asserted that James Hird was the “main architect.” This is just factually wrong.
Ms Wilson also asserted that James Hird was Mr Dank’s initial champion. This is also factually wrong. Mr Dank was brought to the club at the insistence of Dean Robinson with whom he had worked previously.
Essendon Football Club has been limited in what we can comment on, and more than anything else, we want the ASADA investigation to be completed.
Despite the extraordinary media commentary and speculation, the Club has maintained its commitment to this process.
However, the Club will not continue to allow the reputation of its players, coaches, staff and the Club itself to be questioned by factual inaccuracies.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-07-17/club-statement
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Love how its on the front page of the age
dirty bleating cheats
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Seems Caro has upset them ;D
If it is all so "Factual incorrect" then sue Caro and The Age
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Caro's dished out another whack to the Bombers and Hird ;D
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Bombers are yet to face facts
Date July 18, 2013
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age
That Essendon coach James Hird has a different recollection of the 2011 meeting in which he was warned by the AFL to avoid peptides where his players were concerned, is not surprising.
Hird, whose example in embracing and pushing the risky drug program in which his loyal players were regularly injected with questionable substances, still has not come to grips with the perilous position in which he finds himself.
This is despite the fact that significant chunks of evidence gathered by ASADA and the AFL has not been kind to Hird. As the ASADA findings are put together in Canberra and the AFL Commission braces itself for one of its toughest decisions, just how the competition handles the fall from grace of perhaps its most beloved hero of the past two decades remains the most fascinating human dilemma of this sorry saga.
Hird hired the hard-line spin doctor Ian Hanke as his media adviser when it became clear he would require one. Hanke on Tuesday did not deny Hird had met the AFL in 2011 over peptides, but indicated, as the club did again on Wednesday, that it would be wrong to interpret the meeting in a negative way.
Hanke implied to Fairfax Media on Tuesday that when all the facts were revealed several commentators would be embarrassed and Hird would emerge unscathed. This is a familiar refrain, echoing that of Adelaide chief executive Steven Trigg last year before the AFL banned him.
But it is understood Hird met AFL investigator Brett Clothier in late 2011 after it had come to the league's attention, via ASADA, that the coach was seeking information about certain peptides. Fairfax Media believes Clothier cautioned Hird more than once to stay away from peptides.
Clothier has refused to comment on the meeting, but multiple sources close to the joint investigation into Essendon have confirmed the meeting took place. They have also confirmed the context of the warning.
Meanwhile, it now appears beyond doubt that at least one of Hird's offsiders, senior assistant Mark Thompson, had taken issue with the volume and regularity of the injecting program and cautioned against it, despite the support it received from Hird and football operations boss Danny Corcoran.
Just why Hird and his supporters believed the players required such heavy-handed and risky treatment and wanted to keep it secret has never been revealed.
What is also beyond doubt is the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 is just one substance among several allegedly given to the players, and even if the Bombers can prove ASADA approved it, there remains the question of other drugs, such as the banned peptide Thymosin beta-4 and the alleged presence of the WADA-prohibited Hexarelin.
Equally certain is that Essendon has cast a pall over the integrity of the 2013 finals series. If the club contests the finals then its presence will be viewed by some as unsporting, and if it does not then the competition also will be tainted.
At some point the senior coach - despite the formidable team of yes men surrounding him - must take some responsibility for that. We remain convinced the AFL will ensure it.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-are-yet-to-face-facts-20130717-2q4n9.html#ixzz2ZItX3xlc
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She's an angel
:yep
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Essendon defends coach James Hird's reputation in final stages of doping investigation
Mark Robinson, Grant Baker
From: Herald Sun
July 18, 2013
Claims on Tuesday night that players would be exonerated for using AOD-9604 were not supported by ASADA yesterday.
It would not comment yesterday on reports an ASADA investigator told Essendon on May 6 that "I don't believe it (AOD-9604) should ever have been on the prohibited list" and further reports that the agency had indicated to the club that the prospect of prosecution for the use of AOD-9604 was "very, very, very low".
"Given the investigation into Essendon is ongoing, ASADA is unable to comment on media speculation regarding possible anti-doping rule violations concerning a range of substances," ASADA said.
Essendon did not respond yesterday when asked if it could provide documentation from ASADA indicating it had been cleared to use AOD-9604 last year.
Former ASADA boss Richard Ings said yesterday it would be a "game changer" to the investigation if approval could be substantiated but said the onus was on the club "to show they did get permission".
ASADA has told the Herald Sun several times it had never given such approval.
ASADA uses an electronic document and records management system, which means that if it gave written advice on AOD-9604, it would be in its archives.
If advice was given verbally, ASADA protocol dictates the person giving the advice logs the exchange under the same system.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-defends-coach-james-hirds-reputation-in-final-stages-of-doping-investigation/story-fndv8gad-1226681002486
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Essendon did not respond yesterday when asked if it could provide documentation from ASADA indicating it had been cleared to use AOD-9604 last year.
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;D
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Essendon are constantly changing their story and trying to hold multiple and conflicting positions to try and weasel their way out of this. The below post from BF does a great summary of it.
If Essendon and everyone there involved in this knew it was all above board when why did they call for this investigation, why did Ziggy's report talk about a regime of chemical cocktails and experimentation, why was Robson forced to resign and Robinson stood down; not to mention Dank sacked, why did they claim there was a rogue element within their sports science, etc .... It's just like how the Bombers can claim they can't talk and answer questions put to them because there's an ASADA investigation yet they can publish official club statements in response to allegations that put them in a bad light.
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1) AOD - EFC never administered any banned drugs to its players, then changes to we are not sure what we administered to players, then changes to Dank was rogue and administered things we never knew of, then it changes to we dont admit to administering AOD but if we did it is not performancing enhancing and now its changed to, Yes we administered AOD, yes it looks like we admit its banned but we are going to get off because ASADA assured us it wasn't banned, not our fault.
2) Thymosin - EFC deny ever administering any form of Thymosin, then it changes to we are not sure what type of Thymosin was administered.
3) Hexeralim - Dank claims he injected Hird with it, Hird denies ever being injected with it, suddenly an paid invoice shows up and EFC claim it was a mistake and was picked up and rectified before it was delivered, now theres reporting that EFC physically had it on-site at EFC.
4) Hird - EFC call for an investigation into itself and Hird caims he is shocked to be sitting there, then EFC claim its just a big misunderstanding, Hird denies any knowledge of the supplement program and the substances that were administered, then it comes out that Hird and Evans attended a meeting on AOD, then it comes out that Hird exchanged text messages with Dank where they discussed substances by name and how they would be administered, now it comes out that Hird was warned by AFL about peptides and know the club is denying it.
5) Reid - Reid is described as honourable and trustworthy, EFC claim that Reid wrote a letter with concerns over the program but that letter got lost somewhere, then its claimed that Reid actually signed off on substances.
6) Dank - First Dank is evil personified in EFC eyes, he apparently went rogue and deceived the club, then suddenly Dank has a magic letter that he showed EFC that approves AOD and possibly other substances, then its back to Dank being rogue when it emerges that players were getting off-site injections and he went over budget even though he was the lowest employee at EFC, now its Dank back to being the trusted guy who secured AOD approval from ASADA and he all of a sudden has this magical correspondence that will exonerate EFC.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/asada-advised-essendon-aod9604-is-not-prohibited.1019324/page-89#post-29192735
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Vlad is giving Caro the info :shh
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Greg Denham on KB's show this morning said from what he knows, Caro's articles from the past 2 days are completely correct. Interesting times.
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Greg Denham on KB's show this morning said from what he knows, Caro's articles from the past 2 days are completely correct. Interesting times.
Caro is many different things to people but she isn't stupid enough to print something like she did without making sure she can't get sued for it
Bombers are now officially back in strife ;D :clapping :clapping
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Greg Denham on KB's show this morning said from what he knows, Caro's articles from the past 2 days are completely correct. Interesting times.
This is Denham's Article on it from today's Australian. Just gets murkier and murkier by the minute
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Hird should've known what Blind Freddie saw
by: Greg Denham
From: The Australian July 18, 2013 12:00AM
ONE aspect of James Hird's involvement in Essendon's supplement program that seems to have been overlooked lately is that he either did know, or should have known, AOD-9604 was not compliant with the World Anti-Doping Agency from the outset.
Hird was called before the AFL in 2011 and warned not to involve his players in a peptide program. Yesterday the Herald Sun said the Bombers were confident players would escape penalties because the anti-obesity drug was not banned in 2012.
Hang on a minute.
It was reported in February this year that Essendon chairman David Evans received a presentation on AOD-9604 by the product's Melbourne-based patent holder last year, who, it is believed, was introduced to Evans by Hird.
David Kenley, chief executive of Metabolic Pharmaceuticals, said Evans was addressed as a potential investor in the company at a meeting in Melbourne before the beginning of last season.
He said the presentation was aimed at enticing financial backing from Evans's broking firm, Evans and Partners, in the pharmacological company's bid to have its peptide granted regulatory approval. Hird has worked as a stockbroker and started as a director at the firm Gemba in 2006.
Metabolic claims to have spent millions since 1998 attempting to develop AOD-9604 as an anti-obesity treatment, which it also says is potentially useful for repairing muscle and cartilage in the recovery process of athletes.
Sold on the black market, principally by Chinese websites, the peptide has not yet undergone the scientific trialling to gain approval by the Therapeutic Goods Administration.
"We told the stockmarket, and it was reported in the press back in 2010, that there was what we called at the time a black market trade in AOD-9604," Kenley said.
Hello.
Alarm bells should have been ringing for Hird and Evans.
Potential investors were informed that AOD-9604 had not been approved by any government regulatory health authority for human therapeutic use.
Bingo.
Therefore it falls into the World Anti-Doping Agency's S0 - non-approved substances list.
Blind Freddie should have known that it was prohibited. Any potential investor would surely have known that.
It has been reported that Evans and Hird chose not to invest.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/hird-shouldve-known-what-blind-freddie-saw/story-e6frg7t6-1226680946123
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Greg Denham on KB's show this morning said from what he knows, Caro's articles from the past 2 days are completely correct. Interesting times.
Caro is many different things to people but she isn't stupid enough to print something like she did without making sure she can't get sued for it
Bombers are now officially back in strife ;D :clapping :clapping
Thankyou :clapping and if you had tuned into SEN today during KB's :bow show WP you would have heard all the Naive Essendon supporters ring in and whinge to KB and Denham ::)
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I've had to stop listening to Sen
Finey:: ; Wheatley said everything is OK. Essen Don are clean. Bla bl bla bla... when Efc played saints I never thought they were cheats. I'm not a biochemist. Bla bla bla
Used to like Finey too. He just wants it to be over.
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Classic pic bents
Great episode
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Barrett tonight on the Footy Show backed Caro and Denham's media reports regarding Hird having a meeting with the AFL in late 2011.
Add to that one of Dank's medical associates, who did Dank a favour regarding orders for Essendon, was interviewed and just bagged WADA for banning peptides and accused Dick Pound of cherry picking which ones to ban. It came across as him wanting a free for all in sport when it came to drug use. He went through the three other drugs linked to the Essendon investigation and said two were growth hormone enhances and the other was an anti-inflammatory.
Finally Dean Robinson's lawyer isn't happy with the Bombers mentioning the Weapon in their club statement the other day.
It wouldn't surprise me if Ch 9 makes a Underbelly/Howzat style telemovie about this in a couple of years time ;D. So many subplots to this.
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I spoke to a man today who is right in the know, he's saying the worst possible senario for the Bombers is Hird will be suspended for 12 months and the club will cop a fine! He said that that's what the AFL have outed to the club.
If at the end of the day they have been found guilty of any thing and that's the lame ass penalty they cop then more than a Truck load of chicken poo will be dumped somwhere!!!!
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Hows that work?
Hird suspended= club guilty
Club guilty= drugs used.
Drugs used = Gawn.
WADA is the voice, not these backward bumfuk asada cokeheads.
Step in federal government.
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I've had to stop listening to Sen
Finey:: ; Wheatley said everything is OK. Essen Don are clean. Bla bl bla bla... when Efc played saints I never thought they were cheats. I'm not a biochemist. Bla bla bla
Used to like Finey too. He just wants it to be over.
Feiney is a tool.
Always was.
Self proclaimed authority on AFL.
Couldn't even get a game at AJAX -LMAO
Now he holds council on SEN by surrounding himself in Aussie nuffers with a combined IQ of 17.
stuff off Feiney.
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I spoke to a man today who is right in the know, he's saying the worst possible senario for the Bombers is Hird will be suspended for 12 months and the club will cop a fine! He said that that's what the AFL have outed to the club.
If at the end of the day they have been found guilty of any thing and that's the lame ass penalty they cop then more than a Truck load of chicken poo will be dumped somwhere!!!!
If Essendon are found guilty and punished then the punishment has to include loss of points. No way can the AFL let them participate in the finals if the club or individuals within the club are found guilty of administering prohibitive/non-sanctioned drugs to their players. It would make a total farce of the finals otherwise.
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Hey MT, whadd'ya reckon?
The constant revelations by the media for the last few weeks suggests that
anyone in the know do not trust Demetriou or the AFL as a law enforcing body.
I blame this prick as much as Essendope.
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Its corrupt as it comes
makes FIFA look like choir boy
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we'll all soon see how brazen the dogs are.....
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Hey MT, whadd'ya reckon?
The constant revelations by the media for the last few weeks suggests that
anyone in the know do not trust Demetriou or the AFL as a law enforcing body.
I blame this prick as much as Essendope.
The AFL can't afford to have Essendon or a substantial number of its players banned as they need 9 H/A games each week as part of the $1.25 billion tv rights deal. So the AFL would want to see the investigation finished by the end of August which coincides with the end of the H/A season as if there's any club punishment to be handed out, it won't affect the season and hence the finals if Essendon are found guilty and need to be stripped of points. Furthermore, dealing with all of this in a month's time means the AFL can move onto 2014 with clean air. The AFL won't want WADA coming over the top or this investigation dragging on through the finals. IMO the AFL, AFLPA and the Essendon players would accept a player punishment of a suspended sentence with Essendon FC coping the 'whack' if Essendon are found guilty. How much guilty is still unknown given there's at least 4 drugs been mentioned in the investigation. We know AOD-9604 comes under the S.0 (not yet approved for human use hence not allowed) clause of the WADA code so this is why what Hird and Evans knew between late 2011 and early 2013 is important; if they did know AOD-9604 was not yet approved and was under the S.0 clause as early as late 2011 then what this mysterious supposed ASADA offiical they claim told them would be irrelevant. They would be guilty of giving their players a substance they knew wasn't yet approved for human use and then lying to their players about it being legal. It then really steps up a gear (excuse the pun) if Essendon are also found to have indulged in these other drugs (prohibited peptides) - they would be truly and utterly screwed as these drugs come under the S.2 (drug banned) clause in the WADA code. The proverbial would truly hit the fan from Windy Hill to AFL HQ if the latter has occurred. Goodbye Essendon and as a result goodbye 9 games per week.
As I said interesting times :yep.
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If Essendon are found guilty and punished then the punishment has to include loss of points. No way can the AFL let them participate in the finals if the club or individuals within the club are found guilty of administering prohibitive/non-sanctioned drugs to their players. It would make a total farce of the finals otherwise.
Have said it before above anything else now this is about the integrity of the competition.
The AFL's Integrity has been badly damaged over the last 18 months.
Failure to act decisively and harshly and the integrity of the competition is stuffed beyond repair
That's what this has become
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Hey MT, whadd'ya reckon?
The constant revelations by the media for the last few weeks suggests that
anyone in the know do not trust Demetriou or the AFL as a law enforcing body.
I blame this prick as much as Essendope.
here here, absolutely
he is a coward of the highest order. Have a look at the game under his watch
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If Essendon are found guilty and punished then the punishment has to include loss of points. No way can the AFL let them participate in the finals if the club or individuals within the club are found guilty of administering prohibitive/non-sanctioned drugs to their players. It would make a total farce of the finals otherwise.
Have said it before above anything else now this is about the integrity of the competition.
The AFL's Integrity has been badly damaged over the last 18 months.
Failure to act decisively and harshly and the integrity of the competition is stuffed beyond repair
That's what this has become
the competetion has no integrity, as those running it have none.
dimwitto has turned it into a soulless money grabbing venture, with token crackdowns on easy targets that "bring the game into disrepute".
Perhaps when looking for those who bring the game into disrepute these arseclowns should first look in the mirror.
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Appears Jimmy Hird has got a bit emotional at his presser this morning:
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James Hird lashes 'half-truths, rhetoric and lies'
Date: July 19, 2013 - 10:40AM (0)
Essendon coach James Hird has hit out at what he calls innuendo, half-truths and lies spread about him and his AFL club over the supplements saga.
Hird has played a straight bat throughout the ongoing five-month ASADA investigation into his club's suspect supplements program in 2012.
But after a week of having sand kicked in his face - being described as the architect of the program, among the claims - an emotional Hird went on a measured defensive on Friday.
"There's been some truth put out there, but the constant innuendo, rhetoric, half-truths and probably lies that have been spun about the club, the players, the great people that work here, and the half-truths, rhetoric and lies that have been spun about myself have been very hurtful and very damaging," Hird said.
"It's very hard when you keep looking at the hurtful and damaging nature of those comments."
The club issued a strongly worded statement this week refuting Fairfax Media allegations that the AFL warned Hird against looking into the use of peptides.
The Bombers have also denied that Hird was the main architect of the club’s controversial 2012 supplements program.
As he has throughout the process, Hird urged people not to rush to judgment and wait for ASADA to deliver its findings, which are expected next month.
But he also admitted frustration at not being able to fully respond to claims publicly - the Bombers maintaining they cannot make full and frank comment on the issue until after the investigation is completed.
‘‘It’s hard when you can’t respond either. It’s hard when you want to talk about the facts, when you want to explain to people what has happened here,’’ Hird said.
‘‘But the club has committed to a process and we’ll follow the process through.
‘‘But I would say to people ... if you are sitting in judgment, if you’ve made your judgment, please wait until the facts are on the table.
‘‘The facts will come out on the table very soon.
‘‘To my peers, to the players at other clubs, to the people at other clubs, if you can reserve your judgment until all the facts are on the table and we get a chance to see the report, put our version of events across, that would be much appreciated.
‘‘There’s no person out there more than myself than wants the truth, that is trying to find the truth, that wants it out on the table.’’
AAP
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-lashes-halftruths-rhetoric-and-lies-20130719-2q8dr.html#ixzz2ZRqE5V68
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Boo whoooo
My heart bleeds ....NOT :banghead
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Lol can'tt respond
Etc and James have been talking shyte relentlessly
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I spoke to a man today who is right in the know, he's saying the worst possible senario for the Bombers is Hird will be suspended for 12 months and the club will cop a fine! He said that that's what the AFL have outed to the club.
If at the end of the day they have been found guilty of any thing and that's the lame ass penalty they cop then more than a Truck load of chicken poo will be dumped somwhere!!!!
Who's he in the know with? Remember WADA can over turn whatever ASADA hand down if they see fit
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Appears Jimmy Hird has got a bit emotional at his presser this morning:
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James Hird lashes 'half-truths, rhetoric and lies'
Date: July 19, 2013 - 10:40AM (0)
Essendon coach James Hird has hit out at what he calls innuendo, half-truths and lies spread about him and his AFL club over the supplements saga.
Hird has played a straight bat throughout the ongoing five-month ASADA investigation into his club's suspect supplements program in 2012.
But after a week of having sand kicked in his face - being described as the architect of the program, among the claims - an emotional Hird went on a measured defensive on Friday.
"There's been some truth put out there, but the constant innuendo, rhetoric, half-truths and probably lies that have been spun about the club, the players, the great people that work here, and the half-truths, rhetoric and lies that have been spun about myself have been very hurtful and very damaging," Hird said.
"It's very hard when you keep looking at the hurtful and damaging nature of those comments."
The club issued a strongly worded statement this week refuting Fairfax Media allegations that the AFL warned Hird against looking into the use of peptides.
The Bombers have also denied that Hird was the main architect of the club’s controversial 2012 supplements program.
As he has throughout the process, Hird urged people not to rush to judgment and wait for ASADA to deliver its findings, which are expected next month.
But he also admitted frustration at not being able to fully respond to claims publicly - the Bombers maintaining they cannot make full and frank comment on the issue until after the investigation is completed.
‘‘It’s hard when you can’t respond either. It’s hard when you want to talk about the facts, when you want to explain to people what has happened here,’’ Hird said.
‘‘But the club has committed to a process and we’ll follow the process through.
‘‘But I would say to people ... if you are sitting in judgment, if you’ve made your judgment, please wait until the facts are on the table.
‘‘The facts will come out on the table very soon.
‘‘To my peers, to the players at other clubs, to the people at other clubs, if you can reserve your judgment until all the facts are on the table and we get a chance to see the report, put our version of events across, that would be much appreciated.
‘‘There’s no person out there more than myself than wants the truth, that is trying to find the truth, that wants it out on the table.’’
AAP
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-lashes-halftruths-rhetoric-and-lies-20130719-2q8dr.html#ixzz2ZRqE5V68
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Boo whoooo
My heart bleeds ....NOT :banghead
Once again another press conference where Essendon comment that they can't comment and it's just everyone picking on them :nopity.
Jimmy cries but there's still no denial from him about the 2011 meeting with the AFL over AOD-9604 :whistle.
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Re the half truths claim.
If even half of what has been reported is true, they're as guilty as sin itself
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Re the half truths claim.
If even half of what has been reported is true, they're as guilty as sin itself
True Ox. It seems everyone except those delusional at Essendon get that.
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Stick with code, says WADA
Samantha Lane
The Age
July 20, 2013
World Anti-Doping Agency president John Fahey has underlined that the global code is the ''only document that matters'' in doping cases.
Fahey resisted interpreting events in which the Australian Anti-Doping Authority provided the Australian Crime Commission with incomplete advice on AOD-9604, but his message was clear: the substance is prohibited and an athlete found to have used it should face the consequences.
''I don't know what the chain of information was to be able to conclusively explain anything. And I'm certainly not going to guess,'' Fahey said of the communication that led the ACC to publish information about AOD-9604 in its report on crime, corruption and drugs in Australian sport that was incomplete, though not incorrect.
While ASADA advised the ACC, correctly, that AOD-9604 did not fall into the S2 category of WADA's prohibited list, it has acknowledged it did not reference the substance's categorisation in the S-O ''non-approved substances''. ASADA would not acknowledge that as an error this week but, crucially, it has stated previously that it has ''not advised any party that AOD-9604 is permitted in sport''.
AFL boss Andrew Demetriou last week referred to a ''classification issue'' around AOD-9604, but Fahey said on Friday: ''I know what is clear, and I'll say it again, the substance known as AOD-9604 has never been approved, to my knowledge, by any health or regulatory authority anywhere in the world for human consumption, and therefore it is prohibited under the S-O provision … All that matters for an anti-doping violation, an ADV, is the WADA code. The simple facts here are there's a code, the athlete is bound by that code, the athlete is liable if there's a breach of that code or a violation under that code. Full stop.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stick-with-code-says-wada-20130719-2qa08.html#ixzz2ZWFQ0dDn
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The "golden boy" Hird annoys me with his constant "facts" rhetoric.
What's the big deal if he states some facts?
If they are so certain of there innocence why was Dank, Robinson & the footy manager sacked?
Why did the President & the CEO resign?
It's not as if they'll be in breach of law if they state some "facts" that possibly clear them of any wrongdoing?
Isn't the smartest thing to do is get the "facts" into the public arena so as to instill reasonable doubt about there guilt?
If ASADA stuffed up then prove it. Then ASADA will have to explain themselves.
This whole thing including the secrecy smacks of a backroom deal being finalized between the ASADA and Essendank with the AFL facilitating the whole thing to resolve it into a very very neat package.
If "golden boy" Hird gets off or with just a wrist slap, footy won't be the same for me. I might even give up on the whole competition.
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Mr T did the dons president resign too?I thought it was just their CEO.
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Mr T did the dons president resign too?I thought it was just their CEO.
Sorry mate he hasn't. I was mistaken.
Waiting for a members vote at seasons end to seal his fate.
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As debate rages, a former external lawyer for the AFL Players Association said Essendon's players could avoid sanctions from allegedly using AOD-9604 if the anti-obesity drug was deemed a supplement rather than a substance.
Andrew Scott, a principal of Moores Legal, also said the Australian Crime Commission's report that the drug was not prohibited, and the fact the ASADA online ''check your substances'' search tool gives an ''all clear'' print-out for AOD-9604 ''gives players a real chance of demonstrating that they were not at fault at all and thus not liable to be disqualified''.
Scott said the significance of whether the drug was a supplement or a substance under the WADA code, and where its catch-all SO clause sat within this had not been publicly raised before.
''There is a new legal argument available to Essendon and its players that SO does not apply to AOD-9604 because it is a supplement rather than a substance and, accordingly, not prohibited after all,'' he said.
''If AOD-9604 is in fact a supplement and not a substance then ASADA has a serious problem because the only basis on which AOD-9604 is prohibited is SO of the prohibited list. SO states that it is pharmacological substances which are prohibited if not approved for human therapeutic use. It does not refer to pharmacological supplements.
''This might be seen as a small point, except for one thing: ASADA says on its own website that substances are different from supplements.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wait-for-the-facts-says-hird-20130719-2qa0a.html#ixzz2ZXIWczTk
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Put the dogs injail
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I had to laugh at Robbo with his Bomber beanie on today on SEN claiming Ted Richards receiving 15 injections on Grand Final day was not that different to Essendon players receiving 35 injections over the course of a year :wallywink.
Ummm Robbo ..... painkillers are permitted in sports, they are given on-site and by a club doctor and they aren't given for systematic performance enhancing reasons over the course of a year :wallywink.
''This might be seen as a small point, except for one thing: ASADA says on its own website that substances are different from supplements.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wait-for-the-facts-says-hird-20130719-2qa0a.html#ixzz2ZXIWczTk
The ASADA website states that supplements may contain prohibited substances so the above claim by that lawyer is untrue.
http://www.asada.gov.au/substances/supplements.html
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while painkillers are permitted, Blobbo has a point.
They are performance enhancing and should be banned.
If a player has an injury and could not play without the pain being masked, then that substance is enhancing his performance, as well as doing untold damage to the injury.
It is one of the greatest inconsistencies that a player cannot get a legal (to the rest of us) substance to help then recover from an injury, but can legally make an injury worse by numbing the pain it causes.
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while painkillers are permitted, Blobbo has a point.
They are performance enhancing and should be banned.
If a player has an injury and could not play without the pain being masked, then that substance is enhancing his performance, as well as doing untold damage to the injury.
It is one of the greatest inconsistencies that a player cannot get a legal (to the rest of us) substance to help then recover from an injury, but can legally make an injury worse by numbing the pain it causes.
The difference is one is allowed by wada one is not
There is nae valid point.
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while painkillers are permitted, Blobbo has a point.
They are performance enhancing and should be banned.
If a player has an injury and could not play without the pain being masked, then that substance is enhancing his performance, as well as doing untold damage to the injury.
It is one of the greatest inconsistencies that a player cannot get a legal (to the rest of us) substance to help then recover from an injury, but can legally make an injury worse by numbing the pain it causes.
The difference is one is allowed by wada one is not
Precisely in this Essendon context. Nor can prescribing medication that is well understood medically (including side effects) and that has undergone strict clinical trials on humans be compared to substances that have not been tested on humans and where these substances were secretly experimented on ill-informed footballers.
al, painkillers don't enhance a footballer's performance beyond his previous normal/uninjured levels.
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Dear Bomber fans...
Jake Niall
The Age
July 21, 2013
Bombers fans, you're entitled to be peeed off. This season should be like 1981, when Sheeds first came over and they won 15 in a row. It's one of those breakout seasons, when a team suddenly jumps up and becomes a contender. A few of the comeback wins - the Fremantle one, the Carlton game - have been goosebump stuff.
That Hirdy and Bomber are coaching the club - your greatest living icon and your 1993 premiership captain - should just add to that feeling. It should be a special, joyous time, with Joey Daniher and Jake Carlisle set to be the bookends for the next 10 years.
But, as even someone with zero interest in footy knows, what's happening on the field has been marred - if not completely ruined. For every happy story about Carlisle, Daniher or Michael Hibberd, there's about 10 on Stephen Dank and AOD-9604, or some other weird substance that the boys supposedly have been given.
Football is usually a chance to escape from life's challenges, to forget about paying bills, work or a problem in your relationship. But the media won't let you get away, nor will the fans of the other teams. That you've been winning only intensifies the accusations that you've cheated. They wouldn't know, of course. They aren't objective observers, any more than you are. They're barracking for an outcome - which is to see Essendon rubbed out and barred from the finals, draft picks removed, the players rubbed out and Hird sacked. You're correct in identifying a tall poppy syndrome at work here. Opposition clubs and their fans don't like Essendon, and they've started to see this scandal as football's Watergate, with Hirdy cast as Richard Nixon.
I'm not presuming to know what you're feeling, but I hope I have the imagination - as someone who loves football and grew up in more innocent times - to see that how this makes you angry. Your team is just emerging from darkness and then you cop this ASADA crap.
You have emotion invested in this outcome; I don't. What I'll try to do is lay out some of the awful situation, as I see it.
I don't think the players should be punished. I've investigated this subject quite rigorously and, regardless of what the WADA code says about ''strict liability'', the players did what they were told. Some did, in fact, question what was going on - credit to them. But the AFL is pretty totalitarian - virtually fascist - in terms of players following their coaches and officials. It's not like Asafa Powell, a track and field runner, taking a banned substance, because that athlete employs the coach/supplement expert. The players are more like soldiers following a chain of command.
But prepare yourselves for the club to cop a pretty big whack. I can't see it escaping major sanctions and that doesn't simply mean a fine. Fines are meaningless - they don't hurt rich clubs and the poor clubs don't really pay them. I foresee premiership points removed - hopefully this year only - and draft picks taken away. This wouldn't be a terrible outcome, given that the team peaks next year and in 2015-16. Again, educated reading of the tea leaves.
Some of this stuff is like the debate about climate change. It's highly technical and complex, and few people understand it, but that doesn't stop them from holding strong opinions - for and against. Unfortunately, some of you fall into the denialist camp - and can't accept that the club did much wrong, when it's clear from the club's own Ziggy Switkowski report that this is an appalling scandal on multiple levels. The chief executive and Dank have been shoved, the previous football manager went last year, The Weapon is under suspension but will never work for Essendon again.
Hirdy will be very fortunate to keep his job. He might get away with a suspension only. You are the coach's greatest asset - your love of Hird. You are certainly a factor in the club's deliberations, but the rest of the football public - yep, all the Essendon haters and plenty of footy agnostics - will see it as farcical if the coach isn't at least suspended. For what it's worth, I'd like to see a mea culpa from Hird, for failing in his duty of care. Don't blame the media for raising questions about what was taken by whom - it's our job. You'd expect the same if this was Carlton or any other club.
AOD-9604 has received more publicity than it should have, in my opinion. In large part, this is because a) we know it's deemed banned under the provisions of WADA, b) the players signed consent forms in which it is listed, and c) Jobe admitted he took it. It looks like the players were more or less guinea pigs with this drug.
But don't kid yourselves that this whole investigation rests on the status of AOD-9604, the anti-obesity drug, which is what you call a ''specified substance'' under WADA rules.
It is banned, contrary to the confusion created - some of it deliberate - by vested interests. But as a specified substance, the players can be found guilty and still receive a reprimand. There's no evidence it's performance-enhancing, but it isn't approved for human use anywhere. My view is that they will, indeed, get off without suspension for using AOD-9604 (which sounds like a planet from the Alien franchise).
More worrisome is the fact that there were all sorts of more serious substances at the club. One substance that the players appear to have taken is Thymosin, which is on the consent forms. Thymosin Alpha - used for AIDS patients - is kosher. Thymosin Beta 4, is not - it's deemed performance-enhancing. There is strong circumstantial evidence that it was Beta 4, not Alpha, that was administered to players. The players haven't been able to tell ASADA which one they took. The club doesn't talk much about this. It didn't comment when The Age put forward quite a detailed story about Beta 4 and the probability that it was given to players. The club will stick to legalistic-type arguments on this score - that it can't be definitely proved that they took it.
Hexarelin - which is performance-enhancing and banned - was at the club and Dank claims he gave it coaches, including Hirdy. You should only really worry if was given to players, who matter far more than the coaches.
There's some ugliness ahead. But better to pull the tooth out now, rather than letting it fester. One day soon, you'll be able to go to the footy without thinking about anything other than Jobe and Joey.
Yours, Jake.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dear-bomber-fans-20130720-2qbkc.html#ixzz2ZbWkzdml
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while painkillers are permitted, Blobbo has a point.
They are performance enhancing and should be banned.
If a player has an injury and could not play without the pain being masked, then that substance is enhancing his performance, as well as doing untold damage to the injury.
It is one of the greatest inconsistencies that a player cannot get a legal (to the rest of us) substance to help then recover from an injury, but can legally make an injury worse by numbing the pain it causes.
The difference is one is allowed by wada one is not
Precisely in this Essendon context. Nor can prescribing medication that is well understood medically (including side effects) and that has undergone strict clinical trials on humans be compared to substances that have not been tested on humans and where these substances were secretly experimented on ill-informed footballers.
al, painkillers don't enhance a footballer's performance beyond his previous normal/uninjured levels.
you could use the same the argument about some of the peptides essendon were using. they only help you recover so they just get you back to the normal level.
You could also use the same argument to allow players to uses steroids to recover from injury (which the rest of us can do).
Legally being able to have injections that allow players to play, who would not otherwise be able to, is enhancing their performance and is a farce
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while painkillers are permitted, Blobbo has a point.
They are performance enhancing and should be banned.
If a player has an injury and could not play without the pain being masked, then that substance is enhancing his performance, as well as doing untold damage to the injury.
It is one of the greatest inconsistencies that a player cannot get a legal (to the rest of us) substance to help then recover from an injury, but can legally make an injury worse by numbing the pain it causes.
The difference is one is allowed by wada one is not
Precisely in this Essendon context. Nor can prescribing medication that is well understood medically (including side effects) and that has undergone strict clinical trials on humans be compared to substances that have not been tested on humans and where these substances were secretly experimented on ill-informed footballers.
al, painkillers don't enhance a footballer's performance beyond his previous normal/uninjured levels.
you could use the same the argument about some of the peptides essendon were using. they only help you recover so they just get you back to the normal level.
You could also use the same argument to allow players to uses steroids to recover from injury (which the rest of us can do).
Legally being able to have injections that allow players to play, who would not otherwise be able to, is enhancing their performance and is a farce
The capabilities of these certain peptides and steroids enhances performance beyond an athlete's normal levels though; Painkillers do not. That's why the former are banned by WADA. Sure an athlete can claim he/she was using them only as a recovery tool (Justin Charles' reason) but you'll still get banned because of their performance enhancing (beyond normal) capabilites.
ps. I'm not recommending painkillers by the way. Just stating that Robbo's comparison (re: Essendon) was him clutching at straws with his Bomber beanie on.
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nor am i saying that what robbo is saying is a defence of essendon.
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while painkillers are permitted, Blobbo has a point.
They are performance enhancing and should be banned.
If a player has an injury and could not play without the pain being masked, then that substance is enhancing his performance, as well as doing untold damage to the injury.
It is one of the greatest inconsistencies that a player cannot get a legal (to the rest of us) substance to help then recover from an injury, but can legally make an injury worse by numbing the pain it causes.
Pain killers are performance returning ;D
Think MT is pretty much spot on although it has been tested on humans and so far been pretty safe
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Gillard as pathetic as the flog dimwit
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/leaked-asada-file-reveals-favourable-afl-treatment/story-fni3fbgt-1226682793566
Fair dinkum this is becoming more farcical by the day
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Gillard as pathetic as the flog dimwit
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/leaked-asada-file-reveals-favourable-afl-treatment/story-fni3fbgt-1226682793566
Fair dinkum this is becoming more farcical by the day
It's been mentioned in the media in the past that the NRL guys tried to avoid any questioning.
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Gillard as pathetic as the flog dimwit
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/leaked-asada-file-reveals-favourable-afl-treatment/story-fni3fbgt-1226682793566
Fair dinkum this is becoming more farcical by the day
That's a disgrace.
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Gillard as pathetic as the flog dimwit
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/leaked-asada-file-reveals-favourable-afl-treatment/story-fni3fbgt-1226682793566
Fair dinkum this is becoming more farcical by the day
It's been mentioned in the media in the past that the NRL guys tried to avoid any questioning.
That's not the part that makes this article sick
When did Cronulla refuse to answer questions?
It seems this back room deal was done from day dot
It's been coming for a while but it's very obvious the players will be spared
Gillard and Dimwit what a pair of fools. It makes sense she had to involve herself
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When did Cronulla refuse to answer questions?
daniel, it's been widely reported since the ACC report was released that Cronulla players have refused to be interviewed or the odd couple who have been interviewed have been unco-operative
But an article from yesterday:
Sharks to stonewall ASADA yet again
Date July 21, 2013
Adrian Proszenk Chief Rugby League Reporter
Cronulla officials are expecting their players to submit to ASADA interviews from next week, but it appears interrogators won't be getting any additional cooperation this time around.
So far, Sharks back-rower Wade Graham has been the only NRL player grilled, although that interview was aborted amid legal arguments over how much cooperation was required. But as the anti-doping body prepares to interview the other 30 players of interest, the majority of questions are likely to again be dead-batted as lawyers preserve their client's right against self-incrimination.
Graham has been pilloried for not opening up about the supplement program during his time at the club, but he was not obliged to do so. Rugby League Players' Association boss David Garnsey said ASADA's second attempt at interviews would progress along the same lines as its first.
''If interviews are going to proceed, I imagine they will proceed as they did in the past,'' Garnsey said. ''There was an extensive and lengthy analysis done and the [Graham] interviews were proceeding according to the rules.
Once changes outlined in the ASADA amendment bill become law, the anti-doping agency will be able to demand phone records, text messages, documents and medical prescriptions of players and others, regardless of whether that evidence is self-incriminatory.
While ASADA can compel players to attend interviews via a ''disclosure notice'' - with those refusing to cooperate facing fines of $5100 per day - players can still refuse to answer any questions which could lead to self-incrimination.
Cronulla general manager Steve Noyce said he was yet to be contacted by the NRL or ASADA - ''All we know about it at this stage is what's been written in the paper today'' - but confirmed the players would cooperate. ''They've done that to date. At this stage, yes [they will],'' Noyce said. ''No one has been in touch officially about these things but we'll respond as we have before, in a proactive way.
''We've said all along there is a process in place, everyone understands that. However, we've been asked to support it, we've done that. If what [is reported] is going to happen, so be that. We'll make sure we have the right support, advice and assistance for the players and we'll go forward from there.''
The NRL is expected to officially announce the interview process will resume in coming days. The first interview is expected to be scheduled for next Monday. ''We have always highlighted the ongoing nature of this investigation,'' an NRL spokesperson said. ''We are not in a position to confirm further details of ASADA's progress at this stage. It is in everyone's interests that these issues are resolved and we will continue to work closely with ASADA.''
The timing couldn't be worse for Cronulla, who are attempting to cement their place in the finals series. Coach Shane Flanagan and the players had previously attributed their slow start to the season to the uncertainty hanging over the club.
Asked whether the timing - with the club in a fight to make the playoffs - was a concern, Noyce said: ''I haven't been part of the whole process but I don't think the timing, at any time, is how you'd like it.
''It is as it is, you deal with these things as they come up … The process won't get finished until it gets started - I said that when the original interviews were on.
''Everyone in rugby league would like the process to be resolved sooner rather than later.''
The dramas have had an adverse effect on Cronulla's bottom line. The Sharks were so close to securing Cenovis as their major sponsor that they were already planning launches to celebrate the announcement. But after a spate of negative NRL headlines, the vitamins and supplements company pulled the plug on a deal which would have plastered their name on the front of Cronulla jersey until the end of 2015.
However, there has been some positive news on the sponsorship front. Remondis has taken up the naming rights for their home ground, Painaway has come on board as a sleeve sponsor and One Solution is now emblazoned on their shorts. On Friday, the club signed off on a deal with Reozeone, who will sponsor Flanagan and the club's table-topping NSW Cup team.
''There is lots of exciting news in that regard and we will keep on working on whatever commercial opportunities there are for the club,'' Noyce said. ''There's a good culture; people are coming on board.''
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/sharks-to-stonewall-asada-yet-again-20130720-2qb20.html#ixzz2ZjY8qtOd
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Gillard as pathetic as the flog dimwit
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/leaked-asada-file-reveals-favourable-afl-treatment/story-fni3fbgt-1226682793566
Fair dinkum this is becoming more farcical by the day
As for the "secret deal" that favours the AFL, think you will find that the same was on the table for the NRL but because their and I'll use your term "dimwit" players and clubs refuse to co-operate well then no benefits coming their way
When the ACC report was released it was made very clear at the start come forward and co-operate with ASADA, name names and the penalties might be slightly more lenient
There is nothing new in the HUN and its sister publications revelations today
Seriously are you that naive to think all pollies don't get involved in these things ::) ;D ;D
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Gillard as pathetic as the flog dimwit
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/leaked-asada-file-reveals-favourable-afl-treatment/story-fni3fbgt-1226682793566
Fair dinkum this is becoming more farcical by the day
As for the "secret deal" that favours the AFL, think you will find that the same was on the table for the NRL but because their and I'll use your term "dimwit" players and clubs refuse to co-operate well then no benefits coming their way
When the ACC report was released it was made very clear at the start come forward and co-operate with ASADA, name names and the penalties might be slightly more lenient
There is nothing new in the HUN and its sister publications revelations today
Seriously are you that naive to think all pollies don't get involved in these things ::) ;D ;D
slightly more lenient is a lot different to no sanctions for the players. Lets see which one it is.
When the players get off you for one will be jumping up and down calling for heads but reality is this whole situation is a farce and i expected players to be removed from all penalties when dimwit changed his tune about 8 weeks ago.
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slightly more lenient is a lot different to no sanctions for the players. Lets see which one it is.
When the players get off you for one will be jumping up and down calling for heads but reality is this whole situation is a farce and i expected players to be removed from all penalties when dimwit changed his tune about 8 weeks ago.
daniel, I haven't change my tune on this from day 1 and that is IMVHO the players should be harshly dealt with as should Essendon. I haven't deviated one iota from what I beleive should happen
You are correct that if the players get off without sanction I will be disgusted and calling for heads, not disputing that
But I am not sure me highlighting the fact the so called "secret deal" that's got you so fired (which ASADA has claimed doesn't exist BTW) and has been around and speculated about for months now has got anything to do with what penalties I believe people should get.
I will repeat that when the ACC report was first released all sporting bodies in this country were told that it was in their own best interests to co-operate with any ASADA investigation. I don't think you need to be a rocket sciencetist to know what that meant. The NRL clubs in particular Cronulla for reasons they wont explain have refused to do that.
So I don't think a bunch of NRL centric journos can start crying foul over any supposed deal the AFL or any other sporting body has done when the NRL was afforded the same consideration
Do I agree with it (any deal) no I don't but my point is simply don't sook NRL (Cronulla) when you've done nothing to help yourselves
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No preferential treatment for Bombers: ASADA
By Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
2:38pm AEST Monday, July 22, 2013
THERE is no deal in place for Essendon players to be offered a "zero sanction" over the club's controversial supplements program in 2012, the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority insists.
But the national sports doping regulator has confirmed it did establish a process with the AFL shortly after the Australian Crime Commission's bombshell report into drugs and organised crime in Australian sport was released in February.
"Given the number of players involved, it was important to have an orderly process to encourage players to come forward," an ASADA spokesperson told AFL.com.au.
"ASADA has not offered a zero sanction to any athlete or support person."
ASADA has also insisted it has never offered incorrect advice over the use of banned supplements or substances.
"At no time has ASADA offered sports advice inconsistent with the World Anti-Doping Code," the spokesperson said.
"Any suggestion to the contrary is incorrect and demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of how ASADA and the World Anti-Doping Code works, and the facts in relation to this investigation."
The agency has dismissed suggestions the AFL is getting favourable treatment compared with the National Rugby League as part of ongoing investigations.
"Under legislation ASADA is required to investigate all possible violations of anti-doping rules, regardless of the sport," the spokesperson said.
"It treats all sports in an equal and consistent way in accordance with the World Anti-Doping Code."
ASADA's comments on Monday back up a response from the AFL, insisting the League's role was to establish a framework to enable the investigation to proceed.
"All parties have complied with this framework to date," chief executive Andrew Demetriou said.
"The framework did not provide for any guaranteed outcomes re recommendations or sanctions."
ASADA admits the international doping watchdog WADA could ultimately challenge its findings.
"Most critically, WADA provides oversight on all decisions made by ASADA. This means if WADA is unhappy with any anti-doping decision made by ASADA or an individual sport, WADA can appeal that decision," the ASADA spokesperson said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-22/no-deal-for-bombers
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Dank last night when interviewed by his front fence by Hutchy's crew said Hird was a strong supporter of the program at Essendon.
Caro said Mark Thompson will most likely be cleared as he was never a fan of the program and tried to get it stopped around Anzac Day (I'm presuming she referring to 2012).
Barret said the issue is more to do with the other drugs allegedly involved which come under the more specific S.2 classification than the anti-obesity drug AOD-9604. Hutchy added that Wheatley's comments last week had given foolish Bomber fans false hope.
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Barret is a tool of the highest order but it's way easier to hold the spew down than it is with that , lyon
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-in-doctor-shopping-to-beat-ban-20130722-2qf3x.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-in-doctor-shopping-to-beat-ban-20130722-2qf3x.html)
Essendon's 2012 supplements program involved a ploy to circumvent anti-doping rules banning substances not approved for human use by "doctor shopping" in an attempt to get prescriptions to obtain drugs from a compounding pharmacist.
A small number of Essendon officials last year believed that having drugs prescribed by a doctor and then supplied by a compounding pharmacist meant the World Anti-Doping Agency's ban on substances not approved for human use no longer applied.
Basic internet checks reveal this belief to be unfounded, with the US Anti-Doping Agency's webpage warning athletes not to source drugs from compounding pharmacists, even when they have a therapeutic-use exemption to use a banned product. To use a substance banned by WADA, an athlete requires a therapeutic-use exemption from their national anti-doping authority.
The compounding pharmacist who supplied substances used by Essendon players last year, South Yarra's Nima Alavi, has told Fairfax Media that all medicines he dispensed had been prescribed for individuals by a doctor.
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The club on Monday said it could not answer specific questions, including whether any therapeutic-use exemptions had been sought for players, until the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority report had been released.
At least five doctors external to the club who had an interest in the supply or sale of peptides are believed to have been associated with Essendon's supplements program. These doctors specialise in anti-ageing, cosmetic and sports medicine.
Essendon doctors Bruce Reid and Brendan De Morton are understood not to have prescribed any drugs used in the program.
Some of the external doctors are understood to have written prescriptions that enabled Mr Alavi to prepare and provide drugs for Essendon's program.
Fairfax Media understands the ASADA investigation is examining which of the external doctors associated with the supplements program wrote prescriptions for players, whether they actually physically examined them and whether prescriptions were written in the players' names.
Speaking through his lawyer, Mr Alavi has claimed every substance he dispensed had been prescribed by a doctor. ''My client wishes to stress that he supplies peptides to patients and, although under no legal obligation to require the same, only on prescription by registered medical practitioners,'' says a yet-to-be-published February letter from Jack Bock lawyers on Mr Alavi's behalf.
Mr Alavi was supplying peptides Thymosin Beta 4 and Hexarelin, both banned by WADA because of their performance-enhancing effects, to former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank. Essendon Football Club invoices suggest both substances were supplied to the club. Mr Dank has strenuously denied giving players anything illegal or harmful.
Essendon players were also given failed anti-obesity drug AOD9604, which is banned under WADA's S0 category preventing the use of substances not approved for human use, and the prescription-only drug Cerebrolysin, used to treat dementia.
At the time Essendon players were last year being injected with AOD9604 at a frequency far exceeding any human clinical trials, the Australian company with the licence to produce it, Calzada Pty Ltd, was promoting the drug's promise to repair muscle and cartilage. An investor briefing on Calzada's prospects was arranged for Essendon president David Evans, who heads an investment firm, and coach James Hird in early 2012 by Mr Dank. Neither man decided to invest.
Calzada has not produced AOD9604 for years and Essendon has previously declined to answer questions about where it sourced the drug from.
Another Melbourne company, Phosphagenics Pty Ltd, is licensed by Calzada to use AOD9604 in an anti-cellulite cream. The company is understood to have sourced the drug from a Taiwan supplier.
Both Calzada and Phosphagenics have said they were not involved in supplying AOD9604 for use at Essendon.
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And to prove that others looked at doing deals ;)
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Cronulla players rejected ban deals
by: Stuart Honeysett and Brent Read
From: The Australian July 23, 2013 12:00AM
NSW captain Paul Gallen is among eight Cronulla players alleged to have been in negotiations with anti-doping government officials earlier this year after the peptide scandal engulfed the Sharks.
Gallen, the Cronulla captain, was named by The Daily Telegraph alongside teammates Wade Graham, Nathan Stapleton, Matthew Wright, Stewart Mills and Jayson Bukuya as attempting to arrange a series of deals which would secure their financial future if they accepted six-month "no significant fault" bans.
The Telegraph said the eight players believed they had been let down by club officials who they claim had directed them to use certain supplements.
The players had been prepared to accept a six-month ban if they were also promised that their current contracts were honoured, that none of them would be sacked and that they would be given a one-year contract extension if their deal with the club ended in 2013.
...Gallen was also seeking to have any representative bonuses and payments covered.
The Telegraph reported that the players rejected the government deal once they had heard Essendon AFL players could escape any suspensions under a separate government arrangement.
ASADA issued a statement yesterday distancing itself from reports that it had cut a deal with the AFL to look after Essendon players if they co-operated with investigators.
"ASADA has not offered a zero sanction to any athlete or support person," a statement said. "It is ASADA's role to adhere to the World Anti-Doping Code at all times. At no time has ASADA offered sports advice inconsistent with the World Anti-Doping Code."
News of the Cronulla dealings comes as 30 players prepared to be interviewed by ASADA next week. Yesterday the NRL said it would send in its own legal team to babysit players during the interviews.
The game hopes to be clear of the process by the time the finals begin in September and yesterday issued a statement saying 30 players and a number of support staff had been informed they would be required to co-operate with ASADA investigators when interviews start on August 1.
"We'd like to have seen this done and dusted long ago," NRL chief operating officer Jim Doyle said last night.
"Any issue like this, you want to get to the bottom of it whichever outcome it generates.
"It's been frustrating but we have been working with them continuously.
"Our target is the end of August but we've got to work around their availability, players' availability."
The federal government's anti-doping watchdog announced almost three months ago it was cancelling interviews with Sharks players following a failed attempt with Wade Graham, who refused to answer certain questions from investigators over fear of self-incrimination.
That prompted NRL chief executive Dave Smith to intervene and call for a transcript of the interview.
Smith found no problem with Graham's response and called for the process to resume, prompting ASADA to pull the pin while it waited for access to players' phone records, texts and emails to become law.
It is expected that could happen by August 1.
Doyle said last night the NRL would send members of its own legal team into the interviews to ensure both parties were happy.
"We're going to get greater visibility as to how the players are co-operating and also to make sure that the rights and obligations of everybody are being respected," Doyle said.
"They'll make sure it is all above board."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/cronulla-players-rejected-ban-deals/story-fnca0von-1226683444875
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As a Sharks fan I know we're stuffed unlike Essendoom fans. :lol
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ET will take a few of the blokes from ASADA fishing and everything will be sweet for Cronulla
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As a Sharks fan I know we're stuffed unlike Essendoom fans. :lol
You might know but it seems Gallen is as dellusional as Bomber fans
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And just to show we are not the only sport dealing with dimwitted players pleading their innocence even though they are guilty .... I was pleased to read this morning that MLB player Ryan Braun has been suspensed for the remainder of the MLB season without pay for finally admitting he did indeed take PED's
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Hell-lay-loo-ya - you dirty lying cheat though the penalty doesn't fit the crime, far too lenient, you gutless hypocrite. And hopefully A-Rod is next and will cop a bigger whack
Ryan Braun admits PED use, suspended for rest of 2013
By Mike Axisa
Baseball Writer
July 22, 2013 5:41 pm ET
Brewers slugger Ryan Braun has been suspended -- effective immediately -- for the rest of the 2013 season without pay for violating the Joint Drug Agreement, Major League Baseball announced Monday. Braun admitted using performance-enhancing drugs, though he did not give any specifics.....
.....Braun met with MLB's investigators recently, and during that meeting the league reportedly laid out its evidence against him. Rather than go through an appeals process, Braun's side agreed to a plea deal and the negotiated suspension. Under the JDA, first time offenders get 50-game suspensions, second-timers get 100 games, and third-timers get lifetime bans.
Following the 2011 season, Braun tested positive for elevated levels of testosterone but successfully appealed the suspension. His attorneys challenged the "chain of custody" of the sample rather than the test results themselves. MLB was said to be furious over the results and even fired the arbitrator after the hearing.
Full article at: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/22849636/ryan-braun-admits-ped-use-suspended-for-rest-of-2013
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As a Sharks fan I know we're stuffed unlike Essendoom fans. :lol
You might know but it seems Gallen is as dellusional as Bomber fans
Meh, drag it out until after a rare finals appearance. We will probably choke our way out of the 8 without points being stripped. :lol
ET will take a few of the blokes from ASADA fishing and everything will be sweet for Cronulla
I hope so. Meanwhile Essendon gets done. :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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:clapping
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while painkillers are permitted, Blobbo has a point.
They are performance enhancing and should be banned.
If a player has an injury and could not play without the pain being masked, then that substance is enhancing his performance, as well as doing untold damage to the injury.
It is one of the greatest inconsistencies that a player cannot get a legal (to the rest of us) substance to help then recover from an injury, but can legally make an injury worse by numbing the pain it causes.
The difference is one is allowed by wada one is not
Precisely in this Essendon context. Nor can prescribing medication that is well understood medically (including side effects) and that has undergone strict clinical trials on humans be compared to substances that have not been tested on humans and where these substances were secretly experimented on ill-informed footballers.
al, painkillers don't enhance a footballer's performance beyond his previous normal/uninjured levels.
you could use the same the argument about some of the peptides essendon were using. they only help you recover so they just get you back to the normal level.
You could also use the same argument to allow players to uses steroids to recover from injury (which the rest of us can do).
Legally being able to have injections that allow players to play, who would not otherwise be able to, is enhancing their performance and is a farce
Again, you could not, due to the fact they are not allowed via WADA
and the AFL have signed up to WADA and the AFL are apparently the white knights of integrity
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i think you totally missed my point here bents. I am not claiming that what essendon did is not illegal, in any shape of form.
what you have quoted i am just talking about the effect they have, not whether essendon broke the law in taking them.
dont know why you got your knickers in a such a twist and got yourself banned over that. Surely you have read my posts stating that i cant understand how essendon seem to think they are guilt free just because the substances are not specifically listed?
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Training as usual
(http://s7.postimg.org/3t2339d3f/cheats.jpg)
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:lol
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Essentology teaches that players, coaches, members, supporters and apologists are immortal beings who have forgotten their true nature.
Its method of football rehabilitation is a type of vitamining known as auditing, in which practitioners aim to consciously re-experience painful or traumatic events in their past in order to free themselves of their limiting effects. Study materials and vitamining sessions are made available to players on a fee-for-service basis, which the cult describes as a "fixed donation" and is generally conducted at an off-site laboratory.
Essentology is recognized as a moral-exempt religion in the north eastern suburbs of southern Australia, Subiaco, West Lakes, Docklands, Wooloongabba, Seaford, Kardinia, Glenferrie and Footscray where the Church of Essentology emphasises this as proof that it is a bona fide organisation.
In contrast, the cult is considered a commercial enterprise within the Long room at Lords, a secte in Punt Road, a cult in Carringbush, and a non-profit in Princes Park, and its legal classification is often a point of contention within WADA and ASADA cliques.
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http://www.drugrehab.co.uk/street-drug-names.htm (http://www.drugrehab.co.uk/street-drug-names.htm)
BOMBITA - mixture of Cocaine & Heroin
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Al my dear old thing.
They are performance enhancing and should be banned.
If a player has an injury and could not play without the pain being masked, then that substance is enhancing his performance, as well as doing untold damage to the injury.
I cannot agree with this. Where do we draw the line? Caffeine is also a PED. Should Coffee be outlawed due to the fact it the substance is enhancing his performance? I don't mean to be pedantic but it is true.
I was banned because i acted ungentlemanly like after reading an Essendon apologist outrageous article.
Nothing to do with your good self, old sock.
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:lol
fair enough
:cheers
FWIW caffeine was banned at one stage. we had an olympic pentathlete or heptathlete rubbed out years ago for excessive caffeine. Not sure why there was a change of heart.
Part of my gripe with painkilling injections is the harm it does to the athlete, which is one of the main arguments put forward against just letting everyone go hell leather with drugs in sport.
But basically if an athlete cant make the park without the aid of something to mask their body's natural response to an injury then he/she shouldnt be out there
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FWIW a lot of injuries won't get worse playing through them
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a finger or a wrist may not, but knees, ankles and hips will.
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You'd be surprised with the knee and somewhat ankle depending on the injury
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If it hurts that much you need local anesthesia to run on it then you will be doing more harm. That is the role pain has.
poo ive even done more harm without painkilling injections
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Apparently one of Essendon's PR spin doctors has been caught out posting on BF pretending to be a Hawthorn supporter that is pro-Essendon :wallywink :lol.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dudley-suspects-poster-of-being-ian-hanke.1020993/
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/re-clarification-from-essendon-spin-machine.1021011/
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If it hurts that much you need local anesthesia to run on it then you will be doing more harm. That is the role pain has.
poo ive even done more harm without painkilling injections
Not necerssarily. Take Tuck for example, he wouldn't of done extra harm to his shoulder so he went back out there but they didn't send Knights back out. It depends on the injury
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/asada-told-of-andrew-demetriou-call-during-bombers-drugs-meeting/story-fni5f6kv-1226684619904 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/asada-told-of-andrew-demetriou-call-during-bombers-drugs-meeting/story-fni5f6kv-1226684619904)
Check this one out! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Needs to resign
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Sacked would be more apposite.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/asada-told-of-andrew-demetriou-call-during-bombers-drugs-meeting/story-fni5f6kv-1226684619904 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/asada-told-of-andrew-demetriou-call-during-bombers-drugs-meeting/story-fni5f6kv-1226684619904)
Check this one out! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
:clapping that's gold
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If it hurts that much you need local anesthesia to run on it then you will be doing more harm. That is the role pain has.
poo ive even done more harm without painkilling injections
Not necerssarily. Take Tuck for example, he wouldn't of done extra harm to his shoulder so he went back out there but they didn't send Knights back out. It depends on the injury
you dont run on your shoulder. i thought we were talking about ankles and knees?
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/asada-told-of-andrew-demetriou-call-during-bombers-drugs-meeting/story-fni5f6kv-1226684619904 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/asada-told-of-andrew-demetriou-call-during-bombers-drugs-meeting/story-fni5f6kv-1226684619904)
Check this one out! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
It's all over for dimwit
It all makes perfect sense now, thx for clearing that up Ox
The cheats were warned wankharder were coming for you
Dimwit what a absolute flog
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If it hurts that much you need local anesthesia to run on it then you will be doing more harm. That is the role pain has.
poo ive even done more harm without painkilling injections
Not necerssarily. Take Tuck for example, he wouldn't of done extra harm to his shoulder so he went back out there but they didn't send Knights back out. It depends on the injury
you dont run on your shoulder. i thought we were talking about ankles and knees?
Nah my original comment was about injuries overall but I think the conversation moved faster than I did ;D
On knee's you can use Deledio last year (or 2011 can't remember) hurt his knee because of Tuck but he couldn't damage it more so played the rest of the season
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ANDREW Demetriou has denied that he "tipped off" Essendon or encouraged the club to self-report its supplements program before it was exposed by the Australian Crime Commission.
The AFL chief executive slammed as "simply untrue" a News Limited report on Thursday that said he spoke with Essendon chairman David Evans about the Bombers' alleged use of performance enhancing drugs, the night before the club self-reported to ASADA.
The Herald Sun reported allegations made by a witness to ASADA, stating Demetriou's call was made on February 4 during an emergency meeting between Bomber chiefs at Evans's Hawthorn home.
The allegation was subsequently refuted to ASADA, according to Demetriou, by three other witnesses.
Demetriou said he did speak to Evans the night before the club self-reported, but he didn't tip the club off because he did not know which club was under investigation.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-25/demetriou-denies-report
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Didn't they get busted before they "self-reported"
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Didn't they get busted before they "self-reported"
On the day they announced it at the start of the year, Barrett went on triple m to explain it all as it was a story he already had and was sitting on and was waiting until the first footy show to break it. Surely if a scumbag journo had wind of it then Andrew Detrimental and co would have been in the loop. Obviously they were being investigated well before.
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Hird told ASADA Demetriou tipped off Bombers
DateJuly 25, 2013 - 12:23PM
Caroline Wilson
Essendon coach James Hird has been revealed as the key witness who claimed that AFL boss Andrew Demetriou had spoken with Bombers chairman David Evans on the eve of the club's decision to self-report about his players' substance use.
Hird is understood to have told the ASADA-AFL investigation that Demetriou called Evans at his home on February 4 during an emergency meeting involving Evans, Hird, former CEO Ian Robson, club doctor Bruce Reid and football boss Danny Corcoran.
The Hird evidence, later corroborated by Corcoran, appears to place the Bombers coach at odds with his chairman, who has denied claims he was tipped off by Demetriou. Ian Robson has backed Evans' version of events, as has the club's media consultant Elizabeth Lukin who also attended the meeting.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hird-told-asada-demetriou-tipped-off-bombers-20130725-2qkt2.html#ixzz2a1QNtOBI
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Well who to believe ::) ::)
Andy D or Mr Flip Flop Jimmy Hird. Both have shown ............er...............um...........well nothing but contempt TBH
A great choice isn't it
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whats great here is they're both discrediting one another.
Water and people find their own levels.
Now the AFL will turn on essendon and the public, either way, will call for soiuvlaki fingers to step down.
Happy days!! :lol
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HUN reporting crisis meetings at Bomberland tonight ;D
Evans fellow directors want answers (don't we all) as to what happened in the lead up to the Bumbling Bombers going to the AFL and ASADA
And the wheel turns again ;D
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Crisis talks: Bombers board to quiz chairman David Evans
by: Mark Robinson, Michael Warner
•From: Herald Sun
•July 25, 2013 4:25PM
ESSENDON chairman David Evans will be quizzed by his fellow directors at a crisis board meeting at Windy Hill later today.
Article at (if you're apid up subscriber
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/crisis-talks-bombers-board-to-quiz-chairman-david-evans/story-fni5f6kv-1226684619904
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HUN reporting crisis meetings at Bomberland tonight ;D
Evans fellow directors want answers (don't we all) as to what happened in the lead up to the Bumbling Bombers going to the AFL and ASADA
And the wheel turns again ;D
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Crisis talks: Bombers board to quiz chairman David Evans
by: Mark Robinson, Michael Warner
•From: Herald Sun
•July 25, 2013 4:25PM
ESSENDON chairman David Evans will be quizzed by his fellow directors at a crisis board meeting at Windy Hill later today.
Article at (if you're apid up subscriber
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/crisis-talks-bombers-board-to-quiz-chairman-david-evans/story-fni5f6kv-1226684619904
Essendon = (http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/Seiko7A38/Various%20Odds/Smilies/pinocchio.gif)
The full article above can be seen here: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/crisis-talks-bombers-board-to-quiz-chairman-david-evans/story-fndv8gad-1226684619904
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I like how the journos use phrases like - David Evans will be quizzed. lol. they think its like playing Sale of Century with Tony Barber. What a complete and utter farce that Essendon have delieved to Australian sport.
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Hird today said he's still confident Essendon will be playing finals.......
(http://www.sentryjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Denial.jpg)
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Caro's latest article ....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-power-struggle-emerges-over-handling-of-investigation-20130725-2qmvk.html
Barrett tonight on the Footy Show backed up the story of a power struggle not just between Hird and Evans but also conflict between Hird and Demetriou/AFL. Barrett alleged that Hird's legal reps have sent letters to the AFL warning about them talking about Hird while the AFL returned the favour "in spades" saying the AFL is talking (or leaking stories) about Hird. Barrett added that Hird is going to go down swinging - either he'll escape punishment altogether or his career in footy will finished.
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Whackety whack goes Caro again :clapping :clapping
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Even Bomber-fan Robbo is reporting the schism between Hird and Evans ....
Essendon coach James Hird and chairman David Evans now at loggerheads
Mark Robinson
Herald Sun
July 25, 2013 8:30PM
ESSENDON'S "dream team" partnership of James Hird and David Evans now seems doomed.
The versions of events about what happened at a meeting at Evans' Hawthorn home on February 4 this year appear to have severely strained a once watertight relationship.
Hird said the truth would come out.
Evans effectively told the Herald Sun on Wednesday that the truth was out.
Who is telling the truth?
It's as murky as it is sad for the long-time mates.
At a scheduled board meeting last night, which became a semi-crisis meeting after revelations in yesterday's Herald Sun, Hird is understood to have kept his briefing strictly to football.
Senior staffers Mark Thompson and Danny Corcoran also spoke to the board on football matters.
Evans, however, was to be quizzed by his fellow directors about Thursday's Herald Sun front page.
But conversations between Evans and several members of his football department have taken place in recent days and point to unsettling times ahead.
The issue surrounds the various commentaries of what happened leading up to Essendon announcing at a press conference on February 5 it wanted to be investigated by the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority over fears banned drugs may have been given to players.
Clearly, Evans' future as president is uncertain.
Sources have told the Herald Sun he is considering not standing for re-election at the end of the year - which he pledged after the handing down of the damning Switkowski report in May.
The immediate future of Hird, the champion player-cum-coach, hangs in the balance, with the findings of the ASADA investigation expected in the coming weeks.
In the meantime, Evans and Hird, and several other senior football staff, are at odds.
Perhaps the board meeting might find common ground for all involved.
Read more: http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-coach-james-hird-and-chairman-david-evans-now-at-loggerheads/story-fniv702f-1226685241254
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Oh and Barrett also said he believes the ASADA investigation into Essendon will be wrapped up by August 5. So that's Monday-week after Essendon plays Collingwood in Round 19.
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More from Caro. She's zeroing in on Hird big time now :yep.
It's getting ugly as saga takes its toll
Caroline Wilson
The Age
July 26, 2013
The gloves are well and truly off and battle lines drawn as Essendon coach James Hird battles valiantly to save his reputation.
And the fight to preserve the once-untarnished image of Hird Inc now appears as dirty as it is intriguing. The latest strike has come from Hird's camp and been aimed directly at AFL boss Andrew Demetriou, who is looming as more formidable an opponent than anyone who challenged Hird on the playing arena.
The view from the Hird camp is that Demetriou has been briefing against the Essendon coach.
It is true that the AFL remains extremely disappointed at the manner in which the club conducted itself over 2012 and firm in its belief that the players were innocent victims in the cavalier injecting program, but Demetriou appears determined, both publicly and privately, in urging the media to wait for the outcome of the ASADA report.
Hird's supporters on Tuesday leaked ASADA evidence from the Bombers coach that suggested Demetriou tipped off Essendon regarding links with banned drugs.
This revelation had no bearing on the final outcome of the investigation but, if extended to its most damaging assumption, could have seen Demetriou face prison for revealing confidential information passed on to him from the Australian Crime Commission.
The problem for Hird is that the ACC has cleared Demetriou and confirmed his claim that he had no confidential information that Essendon was a club with a drug problem. Demetriou's version of his conversation with Essendon chairman David Evans has been backed up by Evans.
Just what motivated Hird's supporters remains a mystery. Perhaps they feel that the AFL is determined to punish Hird for his role in the supplements scandal. Hird took full responsibility for his football department, but now, like so many others at Essendon, is apportioning blame elsewhere.
So by discrediting Demetriou, Hird's supporters, led by the formidable Liberal spin doctor Ian Hanke, have muddied the waters but in no way changed the fate of the players, which should be known in a matter of weeks. Hanke, currently holed up in Spring Street in the same building at the Victorian State Parliament press gallery, is just one of an impressive team. Some are being paid to preserve Hird's reputation and some are doing so because they admire him and genuinely believe his greatest sin was naivety.
Another senior Liberal identity has been working behind the scenes with at least one prominent Victorian to rally support for Hird. AFL commissioner and lifelong Bombers fan Bill Kelty was caught visiting Hird several months ago when the spotlight had turned to the Essendon coach.
Many work in the media and have been selectively given details of Hird's involvement in the program that has so damaged Essendon's reputation and tarnished the AFL. One of Hird's closest friends, Rod Law, is a senior executive at Fox Footy, and a key occasional mentor is Rupert Murdoch's international right-hand man, the Melbourne-born Essendon supporter Robert Thompson.
It always seemed strange that Hird had hired a separate legal team and public relations team to that of his club and his chairman and close friend Evans. Now, it has emerged that Hird and his football henchman Danny Corcoran, along with others in the football department, have become disenchanted with Evans' perceived ''soft'' decision to work hand in hand with the AFL chiefs in his attempt to place his players' interests above all.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/its-getting-ugly-as-saga-takes-its-toll-20130725-2qng9.html#ixzz2a4nXy2bF
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2013 could turn out to be a pretty decent vintage :cheers
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Now we just need the return of Kim Duthie
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is he of age yet?
surely she'd be looking for a nude photo shoot once she is?
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Mark Stevens tonight on Ch 7 reckons it's a given Essendon will lose all their points and won't play finals this year. Seems Hird has burnt his britches taking on Andy D and City Hall and they are now ready to hand the Bombers an almighty whack.
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Mark Stevens tonight on Ch 7 reckons it's a given Essendon will lose all their points and won't play finals this year. Seems Hird has burnt his britches taking on Andy D and City Hall and they are now ready to hand the Bombers an almighty whack.
Thanks Mark Stevens- YOU stuffwit.
We all worked that out on our own
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poo just hit the fan bigtime
:police: :police: :police:
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-fears-drug-deceit-20130726-2qq3f.html
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/baker-and-mackenzie-essendon-fears-drug-deceit.1021476/#post-29329467
oh boy woo wee
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Hird's emotional post-game outburst: 'We are not drug cheats'
Brent Diamond
The Age
July 27, 2013
"We are confident that we are not drug cheats. And the sooner this thing is over, the better for everyone,'' Hird said.
"This is affecting so many people's lives. It has got to the point that, if it's not over very quickly, it's going to affect people's lives permanently.
"And it has just got to finish, it has to finish. Because it's not fair on so many people.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-coach-james-hird-says-lives-could-be-affected-by-drugs-investigation/story-fni5f6kv-1226686618813
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hirds-emotional-postgame-outburst-we-are-not-drug-cheats-20130727-2qqgt.html
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AFL boss Andrew Demetriou says he knows who leaked information of his telephone call with Essendon chairman David Evans during an emergency meeting at the Bombers, but stopped short of claiming it was James Hird.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetriou-refuses-to-name-leak-20130726-2qpwu.html
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Is it affecting lives in the way that drugs untested on human beings affect lives?
Is it affecting lives in the way a leader of a sporting entity does by showing zero responsibility for events that lead to long term health disorders?
Is it affecting lives in the way that this same person is, to thousands, a role model but is currently selling nothing but bare faced lies ?
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-fears-drug-deceit-20130726-2qq3f.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-fears-drug-deceit-20130726-2qq3f.html)
So let them sue the company once they have been suspended and stripped of points.
Fact is, they have USED banned substances.
It's like saying to the cops, you're drink was spiked so you shouldn't be fined for driving off your face.
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Police may be called in to investigate allegations that Essendon players were deceived into taking part in a secret drug trial.
Fairfax Media can reveal the Melbourne company behind the drug AOD-9604 has used the test results of four ''professional footballers'' in legal documents to justify claims that its product adds ''muscle mass'', aids recovery and increases ''exercise tolerance''.
The drug has not been approved for human use anywhere and, as such, is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
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The claims in a December 2012 patent application by Melbourne company Metabolic Pharmaceuticals, made without the knowledge of the footballers, came just months after the Essendon supplements program collapsed and its instigator, Stephen Dank, was sacked by the club.
The application, which was based on in-vitro research on animal cells and tests on rabbits, does not specify which club the footballers are from. But Fairfax Media has confirmed that the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority believes it to be Essendon.
Acting Essendon chief executive Ray Gunston said on Friday night the club was ''extremely concerned about this allegation''.
''We will be sending this documentation on to both the AFL and ASADA and will be seeking their advice,'' he said. ''It would be very concerning to the club if any of our players, or information about our players, were used in this way.''
The supplements program, described by Essendon's investigator, Ziggy Switkowski, as a ''pharmacologically experimental environment'', had an unspecified number of players given AOD-9604 at a volume and frequency far exceeding that of its clinical trials.
ASADA has questioned Metabolic chief executive David Kenley over the use of AOD-9604 in Essendon players and whether he had financial ties to any club officials.
ASADA investigators are also believed to have examined detailed player performance records showing that some have been unable to match their 2012 training performances since the supplements program lapsed.
Essendon players found to have been effectively used as virtual human guinea pigs may have the option of lodging criminal complaints of assault and be able to launch civil action over future health concerns, several well-placed sources have suggested.
Players signed forms consenting to the use of the drug but they are understood to have been unaware that its effect was being measured and allegedly passed to external parties with a financial interest.
The patent application claims AOD-9604's performance-enhancing effects include ''an increase in muscle mass'' and ''to promote muscle recovery from injury or trauma or damage or overuse through training''.
The Metabolic documents refer to a 24-year-old professional footballer with a calf tear, a 22-year-old professional footballer with a hamstring tear, a 23-year-old with a shoulder tendon injury and a 24-year-old with a corked quad muscle.
Each study describes AOD-9604 being applied to injured tissue and concludes that footballers recovered faster than expected, with pain associated with the injury found to ''diminish quite rapidly''.
In the case of the player with the calf injury, the study found: ''The athlete's injury was resolved in two weeks. This was considerably a reduction in time frame given the original nature of the injury.''
Since the drugs-in-sport scandal broke in February, Metabolic and Essendon have sought to play down the supposed performance-enhancing effects of AOD-9604.
In a statement to the Australian Stock Exchange in April, Metabolic's parent company, Calzada Limited, said: ''There is no evidence that AOD-9604 dosing increases the number of muscle or cartilage cells.''
Mr Dank has repeatedly denied providing anything harmful to players and last month told Fairfax Media he was unaware of information about Essendon's supplements program being passed to external parties.
Mr Kenley previously has said his company provided no financial incentive to Mr Dank.
Further comment was being sought from him about his company's patent application and its reference to tests on players.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-fears-drug-deceit-20130726-2qq3f.html#ixzz2aB8V02SJ
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-fears-drug-deceit-20130726-2qq3f.html
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/baker-and-mackenzie-essendon-fears-drug-deceit.1021476/#post-29329467
oh boy woo wee
It seems each time someone from Essendon tries to cry "we're innocent" to the media (as Hird did yesterday), more info is revealed putting Essendon further into the proverbial.
If it's true a patent application for AOD-9604 as a performance enhancing drug was based on using Bomber players as guniea pigs without their consent then Essendon are truly screwed. What despicable behaviour. If further there was any financial gain to any Essendon officials involved then loss of points, loss of draft picks, etc ... will be the least of their worries.
The Metabolic documents refer to a 24-year-old professional footballer with a calf tear, a 22-year-old professional footballer with a hamstring tear, a 23-year-old with a shoulder tendon injury and a 24-year-old with a corked quad muscle.
You could probably work out who the four are from last year's Essendon injury list.
Edit: Seems three of them are easily worked out - https://twitter.com/MattGoss_
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these pricks are gonna get off
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was it a couple of european soccer clubs that were caught match fixing and not only lost their points but were put into negative points so they actually had to win games to get back to square?
If the league had any balls, the bombers would start next season negative whatever they won this year (not knowing this until after the home and away) so depending on how they perform, it could affect them for number of years.
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Is it affecting lives in the way that drugs untested on human beings affects lives?
Is it affecting lives in the way a leader of a sporting entity does by showing zero responsibility for events that lead to long term health disorders?
Is it affecting lives in the way that this same person is, to thousands, a role model but is currently selling nothing but bare faced lies ?
Spot on Brackets.
:thumbsup :clapping
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Is it affecting lives in the way that drugs untested on human beings affects lives?
Is it affecting lives in the way a leader of a sporting entity does by showing zero responsibility for events that lead to long term health disorders?
Is it affecting lives in the way that this same person is, to thousands, a role model but is currently selling nothing but bare faced lies ?
Spot on Brackets.
:thumbsup :clapping
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Quality post (•))(©™
Well said
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James spin doctor said on radio rssendon fans on suicide watch
JP off the bridge
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Dean 'the weapon' Robinson set to sue Dons
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/robinson-set-to-sue-dons-20130726-2qq0x.html#ixzz2aCDZfgVC
Demetriou on 3aw kept saying "he didn't/doesn't know/not privy to" regarding the ASADA findings so he can't comment on if there will or won't be penalties. The AFL will have to wait until they see the final report from ASADA.
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Is it affecting lives in the way that drugs untested on human beings affects lives?
Is it affecting lives in the way a leader of a sporting entity does by showing zero responsibility for events that lead to long term health disorders?
Is it affecting lives in the way that this same person is, to thousands, a role model but is currently selling nothing but bare faced lies ?
Your best post :clapping
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Essendon fans on suicide watch.
For sucks sake. ::)
And to think, I actually came around to the belief that Hird was somewhat of a champion by the end of his career.
Goes to prove, you should always stick with your initial opinion.
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Richmond fans have been on suicide watch for 30 years
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Essendon fans on suicide watch.
For sucks sake. ::)
And to think, I actually came around to the belief that Hird was somewhat of a champion by the end of his career.
Goes to prove, you should always stick with your initial opinion.
nah, dont confuse playing ability with the person that holds the abilty
Gary ablett senior was a champion footballer despite his personal faults.
Hird may be showing himself to be a toe rag, but he could play.
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David Evans has resigned as Essendon president.
Another one bites the dust at Windy Hill.
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David Evans has resigned as Essendon president.
Another one bites the dust at Windy Hill.
Should issue a formal apology as well
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Richmond fans have been on suicide watch for 30 years
lol
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thats quality :lol
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thats quality :lol
X2 :lol :rollin :lol
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Official Statement From David Evans:
I am announcing tonight my resignation from the Essendon Football Club board, effective immediately.
I appreciate very much that this will cause some consternation amongst the Essendon family.
However, I strongly believe that the best thing for the Club at this stage is for a new Chairperson in order to see through the next phase of this challenging and difficult time for our club.
The ASADA report is close to finalisation, and I believe that I have put the interests of the players and their families first in this process, and I have been guided by my duty of care to them and to the Club throughout the last 5 months. I remain extremely hopeful that our players will be treated with fairness and dignity through the next stage, and I do trust the process that we have been subject to.
Leadership is tough at times and I have tried to lead with fairness and integrity and at the same time acknowledging responsibility to make the right decisions. I am confident that this decision is one of those.
My involvement, and indeed my family’s involvement over many years at both Essendon and the AFL have given me great strength during the last 5 months, because many of the people that I deal with are close friends. This has given me great insight and assisted in making tough decisions, but those decisions now may be seen to be clouded by those relationships or be seen as a conflict, and I am not prepared to have my decisions reflect poorly on the Club either now or in future.
It is also for slightlyselfish but important reasons. I have significant responsibilities to the 100 people who work at my firm. They have stepped up to the plate admirably and very capably and the business is thriving but it is important that I return, and this means I cannot give to Essendon what it needs over the coming months. My business is 6 years old, and I have a clear vision of its future, and I need to get back to the business to prosecute that vision.
What is happening at our club right now is a tragedy, but I know that it will survive. I believe in the Essendon Football club and it's people and it will get through this crisis with people like Paul Little, James Hird and Ray Gunston as its leaders.
The Essendon Football Club is a great institution that is bigger than all of us, and survives and thrives because of the passion of our members and supporters, and the commitment of our players and our staff. Those of us lucky enough to serve the club must always keep in mind that we owe the club our best, not the other way around.
I would like to acknowledge the players who have been my inspiration over the last few months. They have displayed much integrity, honesty and passion for their club. They have such a desire to play for each other. I would also like to acknowledge the players parents. I have come to know these people and understand they have been through a lot. I thank them for their trust in me and I promise I will continue to watch over their boys in the coming months. I urge all involved in the next stage of this process to put the interest of the players first and foremost.
I will remain a loyal servant to this great club and will be available to help the club through the final stages of the investigation.
This decision is also, finally, about my family, whose support has been unwavering, but who have also had to bear much of the stress of the last 5 months. This process has taken its toll on me, and on those around me, and I owe it to them to hand over now for the next phase.
I will make no further comment until further notice.
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AFL STATEMENT - DAVID EVANS
The AFL tonight said it wished to acknowledge the service of Essendon Chairman David Evans, who this evening announced his resignation from his role.
AFL Chief Executive Andrew Demetriou said that Mr Evans had shown outstanding leadership and tremendous personal courage through a confronting, difficult period for his club and the wider game and had made a significant contribution to the Essendon Football Club.
“Essendon has been faced with one of the great challenges in the history of a proud establishment club in our competition and David has led the way over the last six months to guide the welfare of his player group and the wider club," Mr Demetriou said.
"These are difficult and complex matters that have been investigated, through the ASADA enquiry, and at all times David has sought to discover the facts, act in the best interests of all those under him at the club and to provide leadership on a challenging issue."
Mr Demetriou said members and supporters of Essendon, as well as the wider football family, should acknowledge his wider work in expanding the club's base to its new home at Tullamarine and guiding the rebuild of the club to its current position entrenched in the top four.
"David has paid a heavy personal toll with the interruption to his family and business life, with his commitment and love for his club, and the AFL applauds his efforts to make the welfare of Essendon's players his absolute priority throughout this difficult time and the AFL wishes him the very best as he steps back into private life," he said.
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/2013/7/essendon-chairman-david-evans-resigns/
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"It is also for slightly selfish but important reasons. I have significant responsibilities to the 100 people who work at my firm."
Yes, Yes. David, of course.......
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:clapping
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On Thursday night he wasn't resigning he was going to dinner
Must have been are really crap meal ;D
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just spent 30 minutes reading the nuffies on Bomberblitz ... anyone looking for a laugh head on over their youll get a months worth in about half an hour :lol
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AFL Chief Executive Andrew Demetriou said that Mr Evans had shown outstanding leadership and tremendous personal courage through a confronting, difficult period for his club and the wider game and had made a significant contribution to the Essendon Football Club.
“Essendon has been faced with one of the great challenges in the history of a proud establishment club in our competition and David has led the way over the last six months to guide the welfare of his player group and the wider club," Mr Demetriou said.
"These are difficult and complex matters that have been investigated, through the ASADA enquiry, and at all times David has sought to discover the facts, act in the best interests of all those under him at the club and to provide leadership on a challenging issue."
Mr Demetriou said members and supporters of Essendon, as well as the wider football family, should acknowledge his wider work in expanding the club's base to its new home at Tullamarine and guiding the rebuild of the club to its current position entrenched in the top four.
"David has paid a heavy personal toll with the interruption to his family and business life, with his commitment and love for his club, and the AFL applauds his efforts to make the welfare of Essendon's players his absolute priority throughout this difficult time and the AFL wishes him the very best as he steps back into private life," he said.
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/2013/7/essendon-chairman-david-evans-resigns/
David Evens was the boss of the club that cheated.
He allowed this.
What a load of tropple from the afl
this essendon is the victim mentality is craziness.
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just spent 30 minutes reading the nuffies on Bomberblitz ... anyone looking for a laugh head on over their youll get a months worth in about half an hour :lol
:allears
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Just made an account. Can't wait for posting privileges. :shh
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just spent 30 minutes reading the nuffies on Bomberblitz ... anyone looking for a laugh head on over their youll get a months worth in about half an hour :lol
:allears
theyve completely lost it over there. They're in real trouble going down there current path of looking for a Savior. Theyve got the worst Messiah complex Ive ever seen in Sport. There all stuffen deluded.
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Screenshots please
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Screenshots please
you got to start from the start: http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=67814
the media is evil / kill caro / hird is Geez
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Just made an account. Can't wait for posting privileges. :shh
llol
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cheers,
I like "very sad, he'll be back though"
lmao tool
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as wel as
"stuff. How many more good people are we going to lose not because of the drugs issue, but because of what the media has turned it into."
:rollin :wallywink
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page 31: Maybe we need to begin a collection for the Supreme Court fighting fund?
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why the hell is luke darcy doing the interview :banghead
Robinson has a diametrical view to Hird over what happened in 2012 during the club's administering of a contentious injecting program, and is ready to deliver a tell-all on the Seven Network in an interview with commentator Luke Darcy.
Robinson's version of events is that Hird was the instigator of the supplements programt's also understood there was one club, in particular, that the Bombers wanted to match in terms of physical strength.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/riled-robinson-to-tell-all-on-hird-20130727-2qrac.html#ixzz2aFJXrgws
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re bummerblitz- i've never seen a lager gathering of moronic illiterates in my life...and that's no exaggeration
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Love your work Caro :bow
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Proof the are the most uneducated of any supporter base.
1- Blaming Caroline Wilson
"stuff Caro that stuffing mole has a lot to answer for. I hope like god that the club has it's lawyers go through her and fairfax like a dose of salt. The club should take out a restraining order against her and any other member of the fairfax media group, requiring them to maintain at least a 50 metre exclusion zone around the club or any of it's employees."
2- Reasons Evans stood down;
"maybe its to save Hirdy" say's one flog
Another, replies-
"Well it removes the conflict of interest.
Selfless and heroic decision."
:lol
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I loved this one :lol :lol " 50k plus members , 1 million plus supporters . DON'T stuff WITH THE EFC , WE WILL RIP THIS SPORT APART IF YOU TRY AND TAKE US DOWN"
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I loved this one :lol :lol " 50k plus members , 1 million plus supporters . DON'T stuff WITH THE EFC , WE WILL RIP THIS SPORT APART IF YOU TRY AND TAKE US DOWN"
It's like a special board for the deluded
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Boys I've turned a full 180, the EFC are finished.
Evans, Golden Turd and dimwit all know what's coming.
dimwit has us believe he didn't tip his "good mates" son off but then a few days later his "good mates" son resigns. Righto makes sense.
I'm tipping Turd and Dimwit won't survive the year. How can they?
Time to get the popcorn ready lads like our friend Newman in the court room, this is going to be sweet.
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Boys I've turned a full 180, the EFC are finished.
Evans, Golden Turd and dimwit all know what's coming.
dimwit has us believe he didn't tip his "good mates" son off but then a few days later his "good mates" son resigns. Righto makes sense.
I'm tipping Turd and Dimwit won't survive the year. How can they?
Time to get the popcorn ready lads like our friend Newman in the court room, this is going to be sweet.
oh I hope so. Couldn't happen to a club with floggier supporters. The tears will be delicious.
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Waiting for my chance to post on Bomberblitz.
I'll tow the line at first and then wham, carnage Punt Rd style. :lol :rollin :lol
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Me and the Forsakener's just hit their FB page :scream
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Waiting for my chance to post on Bomberblitz.
I'll tow the line at first and then wham, carnage Punt Rd style. :lol :rollin :lol
I don't think my subtle username "HAHA" was accepted. Might try "Caroline Wilson" tomorrow.
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Riled Robinson to tell all on Hird
Jon Pierik
The Age
July 28, 2013
Former Essendon high-performance boss Dean Robinson will break his silence in a paid television interview on Monday night, intensifying pressure on the Bombers as well as coach James Hird.
Robinson has a diametrical view to Hird over what happened in 2012 during the club's administering of a contentious injecting program, and is ready to deliver a tell-all on the Seven Network in an interview with commentator Luke Darcy.
Robinson, who was signed on a three-year deal in September 2011, is also planning to sue his former club, after he was suspended on February 5, the day the Bombers self-reported to the AFL and ASADA. He resigned on Friday, with his lawyer David Galbally confirming that he planned to begin legal action in the Supreme Court this week ''for breaches of their duties towards him as an employee''.
Robinson's version of events is that Hird was the instigator of the supplements program.
Fairfax Media understands he is prepared to discuss an important meeting with sacked sports scientist Stephen Dank and Hird at Hird's home soon after he came aboard in September 2011.
It's also understood there was one club, in particular, that the Bombers wanted to match in terms of physical strength.
Robinson is expected to confirm reports in Fairfax Media detailing how the injecting program took a twist after the Bombers were sent to the South Yarra clinic Hypermed during a short break leading into the Anzac Day blockbuster in 2012.
This led to the injecting program continuing until August, an invoice of about $60,000 and the eventual sacking of Dank.
Robinson's wife Tori is also expected to be interviewed by Seven. She has suffered from health problems, exacerbated by the supplements crisis. The view of Robinson's supporters is that he has been the target of a smear campaign. The Bombers recently moved to fully blame Robinson for the decision to hire Dank.
As the supplements controversy continued to erupt on Saturday, it also emerged Essendon ruckman Patrick Ryder had a brief meeting at AFL House on Thursday to clarify part of the statement he made when interviewed by ASADA.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has also revealed he is considering legal action against a senior News Ltd journalist for suggesting in print and on air that Demetriou had lied when questioned about a telephone conversation he had had with Bombers' chairman David Evans on the eve of the club's decision to self report the players' substance use.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/riled-robinson-to-tell-all-on-hird-20130727-2qrac.html#ixzz2aGdphC1z
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Old news, MT.
Get with the Peptide Program.lol :thumbsup
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I'm so stoked watching this poo go down.
Am i such a bastard?
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I'm so stoked watching this poo go down.
Am i such a bastard?
No
For many reasons from their supporters, treatment of Matty Knights, refusal to admit fault, injecting players who are very young with some experiment
They are far bigger cheats than the cheats themselves and should pay for not only this year but next also
Dimwit and Turd are next to fall off their perch is my guess
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the cypriot dictator is one i have the most anticipation in seeing brought down.
its a long fall from that ivory tower and hopefully the big pile of excrement he has dropped at the base is not enough to soften his landing.
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A few gems this morning. Essenbum supporters blaming the media for the resignation of Evans and current position of the club.
Forget the club being at fault in any respect or that all this happened on his watch.
We are slowly being gutted of everybody in important positions. One more big fish to go. Makes me feel sick that the media has managed to cause so much damage to our club.
Didn't sleep so angry about the media
I hate the media. Hate is a strong word, one I tell my son not to use. But I hate them. This is too much. I am gutted for David. These filthy pigs who have no care for the poeple involved, I hope that Karma bus turns up and ruins their lives. SCUM
Still so gutted and angry. Good people shouldn't be driven out of the game
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How does this statement look now, and how will it look in two weeks time when the findings are released?
JAMES HIRD (Feb. 5, 2013): I'm very disappointed, shocked, I think probably the best word. We believe that as the leader of the football department, as the coach takes full responsibility of what happens within our football department and I believe we've followed processes, we've put in place the right sort of processes. My understanding is that we worked within the framework that was given to us by the AFL and by WADA, and I'm shocked to be sitting here, really.
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This is just a personal observation on my behalf,but its its interesting to note that throughout world sport it appears the really big clubs are the ones pushing the envelope and now getting caught.For eg Juventus in Italy were relegated for some sort of irregular practices,Rangers in Scotland went broke(don't know if that's from irregular practices but nevertheless it happened).Closer to home Melbourne storm,carlton,and weren't the Dons also nailed for salary cap impropriety at one stage,the Crows too.
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According to Barrett this morning on the Sunday Footy Show, ASADA have been writing up their final report (due to be released August 5) and in the past week Essendon have been made aware of some of the final findings. While ASADA have basically finished with the S.0 stuff (ie. AOD-9604), they have still continued to investigate alleged substances that come under the more serious S.2 clause while they are writing up the final report.
Essendon interim CEO Ray Gunston met with Hird at Hird's house this morning by the way.
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James Hird will not step down as Essendon coach despite losing his long-term friend David Evans as chairman on Saturday night, says former Bomber Matthew Lloyd.
Hird also has the support of the club's interim CEO Ray Gunston, who visited the coach at his Toorak home on Sunday morning.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-28/hird-wont-step-down-lloyd
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James Hird lives in Toorak? Lol not even your money will save you now Jimmy
Stuffing prat. Just gives another reason to hate the man and the club
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This is just a personal observation on my behalf,but its its interesting to note that throughout world sport it appears the really big clubs are the ones pushing the envelope and now getting caught.For eg Juventus in Italy were relegated for some sort of irregular practices,Rangers in Scotland went broke(don't know if that's from irregular practices but nevertheless it happened).Closer to home Melbourne storm,carlton,and weren't the Dons also nailed for salary cap impropriety at one stage,the Crows too.
Juventus were relegated to Serie B for match fixing and AC Milan started the season with a considerable negative points tally.
Clubs in England if they go into administration for whatever reason have 10 points deducted.
As far as I am concerned some of the biggest clubs in the world's most popular sport have not escaped justice let alone this back yard run organisation with amateur leadership at the top.
I find it reprehensible that at this stage of proceedings Vladimir can even consider going overseas and let others speak on his behalf. This organisation is as shambolic as the Essendon Footy Club.
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James Hird lives in Toorak? Lol not even your money will save you now Jimmy
Yep it was either Evans or Hird that were going to become scapegoats. Evans chose that.
Hird's name will now be muddied, slurries and scurried for life.
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IMHO Andy D wont lose his job.
But as i have always said Essendon are stuffed and will punished. How severely who knows but i don't think they will be playing in finals ;D
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IMHO Andy D wont lose his job.
But as i have always said Essendon are stuffed and will punished. How severely who knows but i don't think they will be playing in finals ;D
Which pretty much guarantees us a spot. Now for a run at top 4. :shh
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PS Lloyd can't count out 18 months. Hird is probably gone. That idiot knows nothing.
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there is a high degree of insanity over on the essendon forums. theyre all stuffen deluded like poo. its like stuffen jonestown there. :lol
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Read the Mark Robbo thread. I am in stitches.
A lot of drama queens and insomniacs.
Some bloke blaming Robbo for this as he claims he is a Bomber man and sleeping for only 1.5 hrs.
Oh the humanity. :lol :rollin :lol
Comparing this saga to the death of Princess Di. :ROTFL
Even going as far saying when they win the flag this year the Essendon lawyers will buy out Fairfax media and get rid if the anti Essendon journos. :help
Meltdown, meltdown, meltdown. ;D
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there is a high degree of insanity over on the essendon forums. theyre all stuffen deluded like poo. its like stuffen jonestown there. :lol
Windy Hill has been renamed Waco Hill.
EFC= Essendon Football Cult
Time to burn down the house.
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Sponsers jumping off :cheers
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3aw
Four time premiership coach Leigh Matthews has told his brutally honest thoughts on how he thinks James Hird has handled the ASADA investigation in the media, saying he has ‘lost respect’ for the Essendon coach.
“When someone employs a PR person I just lose respect for them,” he said.
“Why do you need someone else to speak on your behalf, he’s a big boy.”
Hird has hired Ian Hanke as his ‘spin doctor’ throughout this ordeal, which does not sit comfortably with the four time premiership coach.
“I lose respect for someone who feels like they need a spin doctor.”
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3aw
Four time premiership coach Leigh Matthews has told his brutally honest thoughts on how he thinks James Hird has handled the ASADA investigation in the media, saying he has ‘lost respect’ for the Essendon coach.
“When someone employs a PR person I just lose respect for them,” he said.
“Why do you need someone else to speak on your behalf, he’s a big boy.”
Hird has hired Ian Hanke as his ‘spin doctor’ throughout this ordeal, which does not sit comfortably with the four time premiership coach.
“I lose respect for someone who feels like they need a spin doctor.”
No less, Ian Hanke is a Liberal Party crony with form. Just how silver spoon hird likes his associates
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HIRD OUT - ROOS IN.
Supposedly this week.Maybe even tomoz!
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HIRD OUT - ROOS IN.
Supposedly this week.Maybe even tomoz!
i believe that like i believe in the illumanati
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I don't think my subtle username "HAHA" was accepted. Might try "Caroline Wilson" tomorrow.
hahahahahha :lol :lol
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I don't think my subtle username "HAHA" was accepted. Might try "Caroline Wilson" tomorrow.
hahahahahha :lol :lol
Rampstar can translate
I tried Xipniste voithia. :shh
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I don't think my subtle username "HAHA" was accepted. Might try "Caroline Wilson" tomorrow.
hahahahahha :lol :lol
Rampstar can translate
I tried Xipniste voithia. :shh
Come on Ramps, google wouldn't tell me ;D
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I don't think my subtle username "HAHA" was accepted. Might try "Caroline Wilson" tomorrow.
hahahahahha :lol :lol
Rampstar can translate
I tried Xipniste voithia. :shh
greek can be such a great language sometimes :lol
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REVEALED: How Essendon coach James Hird and AFL traded barbs over drugs scandal
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/revealed-how-essendon-coach-james-hird-and-afl-traded-barbs-over-drugs-scandal/story-fndv8gad-1226687177282#mm-breached
James Hird's lawyers in war of words with AFL
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hirds-lawyers-in-war-of-words-with-afl/story-fndv8gad-1226687168808#mm-breached
Evans thrown under bus - Caro
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/evans-thrown-under-bus-20130728-2qsu3.html
Hird defies pressure to step down
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hird-defies-pressure-to-step-down-20130728-2qsbm.html
Essendon's chairman-elect Paul Little is on a mission to save James Hird
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendons-chairman-elect-paul-little-is-on-a-mission-to-save-james-hird/story-fndv8gad-1226687126527
Dean Robinson's tell-all interview about Bombers delayed until later in the week after it is reviewed by legal experts.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-28/-robinsons-tellall-interview-about-dons-delayed
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It's all about saving Hird now. It always has been.
Selfish prat. Delusional fans. So much damage to the club, for what?
Hird vs the Afl, Asada and Wada. I wonder who will win? ::)
Caro stated yesterday Hird has had his own PR team separate to the club from day 1. A guy who has also represented the Liberal Party. Why would he feel the need to do this before the investigation even started?
Caro's quote in today's age is pertinent:-
What we described on Friday as ''Hird Inc'' more closely resembles ''cult Hird'' where his disciples' blind faith prevents them from seeing what sits so clearly in front of them. And it has been a strategy closely resembling the corporate governance at Essendon from late 2011 until late 2012 - scattergun and reckless.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/evans-thrown-under-bus-20130728-2qsu3.html
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It's all about saving Hird now. It always has been.
Selfish prat. Delusional fans. So much damage to the club, for what?
Hird vs the Afl, Asada and Wada. I wonder who will win? ::)
Caro stated yesterday Hird has had his own PR team separate to the club from day 1. A guy who has also represented the Liberal Party. Why would he feel the need to do this before the investigation even started?
Caro's quote in today's age is pertinent:-
What we described on Friday as ''Hird Inc'' more closely resembles ''cult Hird'' where his disciples' blind faith prevents them from seeing what sits so clearly in front of them. And it has been a strategy closely resembling the corporate governance at Essendon from late 2011 until late 2012 - scattergun and reckless.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/evans-thrown-under-bus-20130728-2qsu3.html
Exactly right Dooks and above all else it's been about Hird saving Hird.
He said this morning that it was a "travesty" what had happened to Evans his friend of 20 years.
But yet again as is the Hird way he takes no responsibility for his part in this travesty, which is plenty.
With friends like Jimmy :whistle :whistle
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Apart from Feb 5 when saint golden balls said he took full responsibility
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Apart from Feb 5 when saint golden balls said he took full responsibility
Yeh ...welll that lasted what a week?
Mr Flip Flop is Jimmy
Would go very well in politics .... ;D
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Tim Watson is a baffon and should step down from media.
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I don't think my subtle username "HAHA" was accepted. Might try "Caroline Wilson" tomorrow.
hahahahahha :lol :lol
Rampstar can translate
I tried Xipniste voithia. :shh
greek can be such a great language sometimes :lol
Do your job :banghead
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Tim Watson is a baffon and should step down from media.
Tim Watson is playing the game on behalf of Hird and Essendons PR machine. He would have been briefed.
All very well taking pot shots at those around the periphery (often justified mind you) but they are mouthpieces for Hird and his supporters who remain on the board. It all comes back to Hird.
If Hird gets smashed by the evidence when the findings are released, all those on the periphery will fall into line pretty quick.
It all comes back to Hird.
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He said this morning that it was a "travesty" what had happened to Evans his friend of 20 years.
But yet again as is the Hird way he takes no responsibility for his part in this travesty, which is plenty.
What a travesty Hird in effect threw a friend of 20 years Evans under the bus to save his own skin.
Hird is either absolutely delusional or completely dishonest.
It just doesn't add up and there is no common sense about the whole thing.
Makes me think Hird and what remains of the Essendon FC are tracking to a very ugly endpoint.
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I dunno guys. So many tears. I'm convinced.
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The numb coach who loves himself more than his club
Patrick Smith
The Australian
July 29, 2013
THIS has been James Hird's year of shame. A season where he put his own reputation ahead of the club that he had served so wonderfully, so skilfully for 253 matches. And a club that cherished and revered him in return. Loved him.
Last year, sport scientist Stephen Dank was pushed. In February, high-performance manager Dean Robinson was stood down and then finally last week he walked away altogether.
Chief executive Ian Robson left the club in May and on Saturday night president David Evans, brutally torn apart by the ASADA investigation, resigned. Effective immediately.
Yet Hird, the man who took full responsibility for the highly suspicious supplements program in February, remains. It makes no sense, nor is it fair or appropriate.
Hird is coach of the club. Historically, it is by title a role of great accountability. Hird's reputation only enhanced the power of the position and the obligations that attend it. Yet he is numb to all this.
He spoke quietly and with a sad voice after the big loss to Hawthorn on Friday. "The sooner this thing is over, the better, because this has affected so many people's lives that if it's not over very quickly, it's going to affect people's lives permanently. It has to finish because it's not fair on so many people," Hird said.
"This week's another week of six months of living through an ordeal that people shouldn't have to live through. I don't want to go into personal instances because that will all come out . . . it's just got to finish, it has to finish.
"There's a belief the players haven't taken anything illegal in our football club. Our belief is still strong in that and a report that comes out in two weeks, I'm not sure of the exact date, and when it does, we're all hopeful, we're all praying that that's the case because our belief is that we haven't done anything illegal and we are not drug cheats."
Hird's post-game reflection came too late for Evans. He could neither physically nor mentally give any more to the club that his father Ron starred for as a full forward and then served as chairman. He also chaired the AFL Commission. David Evans wanted to leave a legacy of which his father could be proud. He has done that in the dignified and sensitive manner he has steered the club through this wretchedness, but late on Saturday night his will shuddered to a stop.
It could have, and should have, been different. Hird should have been true to his word when he said at a news conference on February 5 that he took full responsibility. It was after Essendon announced it had called in ASADA and the AFL to investigate a supplements program, supported by Hird, that may have breached WADA protocols.
At that very point Hird should have stepped to the side. He was the coach, it was his staff administering the supplements. He encouraged it. He did not know that the program was in danger of breaking WADA rules -- in fact he wanted to be assured that it wasn't -- but he authorised it nonetheless. There would always be heat in this story for it is a scandal unprecedented in AFL history. But had Hird stood down in February then it would have been a slow burn and not the wildfire it has been all season.
If Hird took succour in the support of fans, then he was deluded. Supporters have no sense of proportion, no sense of right or wrong when anything involves their football teams. When it comes to judgment and football, supporters are mostly knuckleheaded.
While Hird remained coach he would always draw intense scrutiny from the media, more than if he had walked away and waited for the inquiry to run its course. Not only did he arrogantly and selfishly stay on as coach, he hired people to manage the fallout. Last week the Hird camp went after AFL chief Andrew Demetriou.
Hird's camp leaked evidence alleging Demetriou had phoned Evans to alert him to an inquiry into his club by the Australian Crime Commission. Evans had convened a meeting of Essendon officials on the eve of the club reporting its supplement issue to ASADA. Demetriou had been briefed by the ACC the previous week about the growing use of drugs in sport, including the AFL, but was given no specific information about any club. The ACC briefing was strictly confidential.
Of itself the leak of Hird's memory of what took place at the meeting mattered little. ASADA had discarded the coach's version and accepted the Demetriou and Evans testimony that Demetriou did not tip off the club. ASADA did not even bother to contact Demetriou and the ACC had no issue with the conversation. It was a non-story.
That was until Hird -- at a news conference later that day -- chose not to bow to the version of the phone call offered by his chairman and the AFL chief. He appeared to deliberately doubt the word of Evans and Demetriou. A scheduled board meeting that night was suddenly described as a "crisis meeting" and Demetriou angrily denied he had breached ACC confidentiality.
While Hird inexplicably went after Demetriou, he ended up also publicly doubting the word of his chairman. It left Evans's loyalties stretched -- he is a friend to both Hird and Demetriou. A PR trick had turned into a disaster for the coach. Hird does not have spin doctors working for him but bloodied butchers.
Essendon is in a critical state. Evans, greatly respected throughout football and business, has gone. The club has an acting chief executive. The ASADA report may well charge players with drug-related breaches.
The AFL will no doubt punish the club for the ravaging of the game's image. The Essendon players wilted after only 20 minutes against Hawthorn, possibly fatigued -- finally -- from a fight they never started. And still Hird arrogantly clings to his right to the witches hats.
It appears Hird simply cannot see the reality of the circumstances that have surrounded him since February 5.
It is hardly wild opinion to think Hird will be remembered as a champion who loved himself more than his club, more than his friends. Certainly more than he did David Evans.
http://mobile.news.com.au/breaking-news/the-numb-coach-who-loves-himself-more-than-his-club/story-e6frfkp9-1226687183916
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Fatprick :clapping
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Drug case notes of players secretly passed on
Nick McKenzie and Richard Baker
The Age
July 29, 2013 - 2:58PM
A small number of Essendon players were not told that case notes detailing their use of AOD-9604 to treat injuries would be used in a patent application lodged by the company that makes the drug.
Fairfax Media has confirmed the "professional footballer" references in the December 2012 AOD-9604 patent application lodged by Metabolic Pharmaceuticals related to four Essendon players.
The revelation comes as Calzada Limited, the ultimate holding company, on Monday admitted it received case notes on 25 people using AOD-9604 from former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank. These 25 people included four Essendon players. None of the case notes included people's or players' names or other identifying features.
It is understood Dank removed all identifying details from the information he passed to the company. The players were unaware that Dank's observations about how their bodies responded after they used a cream containing AOD-9604 had been passed to the company which developed the drug.
A source aware of Dank's role in passing on the data said that the players were not informed because their identities were not disclosed in the patient notes given to the firm.
In a statement to the Australian Stock Exchange, Calzada Limited said it became aware in late 2010 of Dank's involvement in the "legal (where prescribed by a registered doctor) use of AOD-9604 including weight loss, anti-ageing and the treatment of soft tissue injury".
In September last year, the company said Dank agreed to document historical case notes on the use of AOD-9604 and two months later he provided details from 25 people who used the drug to lose weight, body sculpt and for soft tissue injuries.
"These notes only record historical anecdotal information about the biological function of AOD-9604. In no way do these notes constitute a clinical trial," the company said.
AOD-9604 is not approved for human therapeutic use in Australia, although people may use the drug for medical reasons under the guidance of their doctor.
Fairfax Media reported on Saturday that a Metabolic Pharmaceuticals patent application lodged in December 2012 described the impact of the drug on injured footballers to help justify claims AOD-9604 boosted muscle growth and soft tissue recovery.
The patent application referred to AOD-9604's use in four "professional footballers" to expedite recovery from soft tissue injuries.
Dank was liaising frequently with Metabolic Pharmaceuticals chief executive David Kenley at the same time the sports scientist was working with Essendon. Mr Kenley never paid Dank for his efforts aimed at building an anecdotal case that AOD-9604 could be used to help people recover from injury.
In early 2012, Dank arranged for Mr Kenley to give Essendon coach James Hird and recently departed chairman David Evans a financial briefing on the company. This was in Mr Evans capacity as a the owner of a stockbroking firm.
A May 2012 text message Dank allegedly sent Hird referred to: "financials ready for you and David for AOD project. These financials cover all possible revenue streams, where the project applies."
The nature of this project remains unspecified. It is not known whether the "David" mentioned in Dank's text refers to Mr Kenley or Mr Evans.
Mr Evans never invested in the company nor had anything to do with AOD-9604 after attending the February 2012 briefing by Mr Kenley.
Calzada said the four case notes relating to professional footballers involved the use of a topical cream to deliver the drug, not injection.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is investigating if Essendon footballers were used as virtual guinea pigs to trial various drugs and whether details were passed to parties outside of the club.
The World Anti-Doping Agency has banned AOD-9604 under its S0 category, which covers substances not approved for human use.
Trading in shares in Calzada Limited were halted on Monday.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/drug-case-notes-of-players-secretly-passed-on-20130729-2qu51.html
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Departed Essendon high performance manager Dean Robinson's tell-all TV interview will air in a special program on Wednesday evening.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-29/-robinsons-tellall-interview-about-dons-delayed
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Dr willert on Sen says efc gawb
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Who is Dr Willert?
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and the stuff is gawb?
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and the stuff is gawb?
:lol :clapping Wouldn't surprise if Essendoom have gawbed off about something. It's what they do best. :shh
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Gone*
The doc that has conducted aid trials
AOD, not aids
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Essendon to ramp up legal, PR backing
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-29/little-takes-over-dons
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Robbo on AFL 360 saying there is now coming out of Waco Hill reports that Evans was pushed by the club as much as the stress of the investigation due to his co-operation with the AFL rather than tirelessly working for the Peptideton Footy Club. :shh
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWTS4_nz2a8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWTS4_nz2a8)
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:lol
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you know its not funny but it is anyway. more dookie gold on OER right there :clapping
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Sick of hearing about this
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;D
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ESSENDON players were administered AOD-9604 in the form of a medical cream as well as injections during the club's experimental supplements program.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-administered-aod-9604-in-form-of-a-medical-cream-as-well-as-injections/story-fndv8gad-1226687808608
Paul Little's first public utterances as Essendon chairman were a game-changer in the war between James Hird and Andrew Demetriou.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/stand-in-essendon-chairman-paul-little-first-words-were-a-game-changer/story-fndv8gad-1226687807376
The senior media strategist employed by Essendon at the start of the ASADA investigation into its drugs program has quit the club.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-media-adviser-quits-as-club-changes-tack-20130729-2qv47.html
A leading sports lawyer says Essendon could mount a case for an injunction to play in the finals should it be stripped of premiership points in the football drugs probe, but declares the Bombers will begin ''behind the eight ball'' and will need to produce a ''robust'' argument.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-may-face-finals-fight-20130729-2qv2w.html
Essendon assistant coach Mark Thompson says he and senior coach James Hird would walk out of the club if Bombers players receive infraction notices from anti-doping agencies.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wed-walk-out-if-players-were-banned-thompson-20130729-2qv9v.html
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Essendon assistant coach Mark Thompson says he and senior coach James Hird would walk out of the club if Bombers players receive infraction notices from anti-doping agencies.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wed-walk-out-if-players-were-banned-thompson-20130729-2qv9v.html
Infraction notices or suspensions? Players could get infraction notices and not be suspended
And I think you'll be walking out on your own Bomber, Jimmy Hird wont walk, he's the victim here just ask him
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Essendon assistant coach Mark Thompson says he and senior coach James Hird would walk out of the club if Bombers players receive infraction notices from anti-doping agencies.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wed-walk-out-if-players-were-banned-thompson-20130729-2qv9v.html
Infraction notices or suspensions? Players could get infraction notices and not be suspended
And I think you'll be walking out on your own Bomber, Jimmy Hird wont walk, he's the victom here just ask him
Oo scary threat bummers
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EFC going on the offensive could be the best possible outcome. If the delusion of little and turd takes on the courts and AFL hopefully the punishment is the maximum allowable - 2 years bans, everyone fired, no points / picks for eons. Maybe de registration from the league. :)
Btw I recommend abusing people in public wearing efc colours - highly enjoyable practice.
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EFC going on the offensive could be the best possible outcome. If the delusion of little and turd takes on the courts and AFL hopefully the punishment is the maximum allowable - 2 years bans, everyone fired, no points / picks for eons. Maybe due registration from the league. :)
Btw I recommend abusing people in public wearing efc colours - highly enjoyable practice.
I called one a cheat at Collingwood v GWS. :cheers
I also told a GWS fan that is team is stuffing poohouse despite AFL handouts. Felt good man :clapping
As for Bummer saying he and Turd will walk, Turd will push him out the door and lock himself inside and claim victory. :whistle
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Ch 7 tonight showed a snippet from the Dean Robinson interview and he claims during the interview to hire Danks at Essendon, which Hird and Corcoran conducted, Dank replied to their questions - "What you're asking me to do is Black Ops".
Essendon are denying it.
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Essendon are denying it.
No Way !!!! :o :o :o
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Black Ops lmfao
More like Tropic thunder
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James Hird denies fresh claims on drugs saga
Mark Robinson
Herald Sun
July 30, 2013 6:34PM
JAMES Hird faces fresh allegations over the drugs saga, this time that he was part of a discussion over whether the club’s supplement operation should be "black ops''.
The Bombers today fiercely rejected the claims made by former high performance manager Dean Robinson.
Hird and football boss Danny Corcoran were linked to the discussion, claimed to have included former sports scientist Stephen Dank.
Robinson has claimed in an interview with Channel Seven, to be broadcast in full tomorrow: "Stephen Dank said: 'What you are asking me to do is black ops’.’’
The Bombers hit back at the claims tonight, saying: "As has previously been stated, James Hird emphasised that the supplements program run by Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson must be legal according to WADA and the AFL, must be approved by the club doctor, must be given with the consent of the player and must not harm the player,'' the Bombers said.
"James Hird and Danny Corcoran never said the program should be run as a 'black op’.
"This is nonsense and categorically rejected by the club. This assertion is slanderous.''
Robinson who was stood down by Essendon in February when the Bombers "self-reported'' with concerns about its sports science program in 2012 resigned from the club last Friday.
"I’m in tears, I’m shaking.’’ He said of the moment when he was moved out.
And he lashed out at his treatment by the club in the interview, saying: "The worst thing is walking in and seeing my kids and realising everything I’ve worked for, everything I tried to do for my family - Essendon is targeting me.’’
Robinson is reportedly set to take legal action against the club.
Robinson's departure followed that of other key players in the Essendon investigation.
Sports scientist Dank and former football department boss Paul Hamilton went last year; while former CEO Ian Robson resigned in May this year.
Robinson's later resignation came just a day before David Evans stood down as chairman.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/national-news/victoria/james-hird-denies-fresh-claims-on-drugs-saga/story-fnii5sms-1226688312161#ixzz2aWERqYsU
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Essendon are denying it.
No Way !!!! :o :o :o
fell off my chair.
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We should get the Weapon in, seems like a top bloke and did good work at the Cattery
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Wonder how many Bummer players will sue the club before they leave
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According to the 7.30 report, Hird backed the supplements program because he was obsessed with Hawthorn, Collingwood and West Coast and allegedly believed they were pushing the boundaries.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-allegedly-believed-collingwood-hawthorn-and-west-coast-were-pushing-the-boundaries/story-fndv8gad-1226688416519
Full transcript below:
James Hird faces claims he backed Essendon supplements program
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 30/07/2013
Reporter: Caro Meldurm-Hanna
AFL club Essendon has been at the centre of an investigation into a controversial supplements regime and there are now claims that coach James Hird was behind that regime from
LEIGH SALES: Pressure is mounting on one of the legends of Australian football as the anti-doping authority ASADA prepares to release its report on the use of performance enhancing supplements by the Essendon AFL club.
Bombers coach and former champion James Hird is tonight at the centre of the gathering storm. Hird has always maintained he did nothing wrong but there's growing evidence that he played a central role in the supplements program run by the controversy biochemist Steve Dank which it seems was driven by an obsessive urge to beat the Bombers' on field rivals.
Caro Meldrum-Hanna has this exclusive report.
COMMENTATOR: James Hird led the Bombers out.
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA, REPORTER: He's the golden boy of the AFL.
COMMENTATOR: Hird wrote his name into the record books kicking the opening goal.
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: James Hird, Essendon's favourite son, a star player with more than 250 games to his name and a Brownlow Medal under his belt.
BROWNLOW HOST: Essendon, J Hird.
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: When James Hird hung up his boots in 2007, he was already anointed as a future Bombers coach. Entrusted with the task of restoring the club to its former greatness.
JAMES HIRD, ESSENDON COACH: We know that there's enormous upside if we get this right, there's also an enormous downside if we don't.
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: To get there James Hird needed a plan and some outside help. In mid 2011 a new high performance unit was born, headed up by seasoned NRL trainer Dean Robinson. He quickly recruited biochemist Steve Dank and the pair began planning a secret supplements regime. By August 2011 a series of text messages show the program was under way.
And a delivery of Actovegin an extract filtered from calf's blood was en route to Essendon.
(Extract of text between Dean Robinson and Steve Dank)
DEAN ROBINSON: Can you send me through all supporting docs for Actovegin tonight so I can give to Reidy tmw please. Hirdy has also said send it and we'll pay even if we don't use it.
(End of extract)
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: Around a month and a half later in October 2011 a key meeting was held here at James Hird's home in the Melbourne suburb of Toorak.
'7:30' understands the three architects of Essendon's supplements regime were in attendance - coach Hird, Dean Robinson and Steve Dank. Coach Hird told Dank he was now part of the club's inner sanctum. Steve Dank has told '7:30' that a detailed discussion ensued about how a supplements program could boost the performance and recovery speeds of players and that Hird went on to tell Dank that although he had no evidence, he believed Collingwood were on a secret human growth hormone program. Dank says Hird instructed him to focus on matching the physical strength of the Magpies using any legal means possible.
COMMENTATOR: A Collingwood win!
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: Come early April 2012 behind closed doors the supplements regime at Essendon was in full swing. But publicly the players were suffering an unusually high number of soft tissue injuries. James Hird text Steve Dank asking him what was going on.
(Extract of text between James Hird and Steve Dank)
JAMES HIRD: Why do you reckon we are getting all the injuries?
STEVE DANK: I need to use much more placenta cells and Actovegin... West Coast, Hawthorne and Collingwood's tissues are biologically advanced. We need to change our biology for a little while.
(End of extract)
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: The conversations reveal another driving force behind the supplements program. James Hird's obsession was arch rival Hawthorn.
(Extract of text between James Hird and Steve Dank)
JAMES HIRD: I hate them more than anyone.
STEVE DANK: Remember everyone is the enemy and everyone has to be bled. That way you just don't take comfort in tearing Hawthorne apart you take pride in tearing the competition apart. I also know that they are trying everything they can in supplements and recovery modes to win this premiership.
JAMES HIRD: But not as good as un in that area.
(End of extract)
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: Dank and Hird were also focused on powerhouse club West Coast.
(Extract of text between James Hird and Steve Dank)
JAMES HIRD: They are definitely up to something.
STEVE DANK: They are another level of athleticism within this competition. They are THE team to chase. I need to reinvent a couple of things to chase these guys.
(End of extract)
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: By mid April 2012 James Hird was facing a big challenge, a round four clash against Carlton followed four days later by the annual Anzac Day game against Collingwood.
JAMES HIRD: You bring in fresh legs or do you go with guys who really performed well for us on the weekend. I don't think you should throw good form out.
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: The supplements regime intensified.
(Extract of text between James Hird and Steve Dank)
STEVE DANK: This afternoon's group went very well on hyperbaric. All injections completed for the week.
JAMES HIRD: Good news. Let's take it up to the blues.
STEVE DANK: We will be those *****.
(End of extract)
COMMENTATOR: He kicks the goal and Essendon lead by 34 points.
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: After a 30 point win against Carlton the Bombers had only three days to recover for the big game against the Magpies.
COMMENTATOR 2: The MCG Anzac Day 2012.
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: It was the impressive speed of their recovery in between games that's reportedly caught the attention of Australia's anti doping regulator ASADA.
COMMENTATOR 3: Essendon draw level.
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: The findings of ASADA's investigation into the Bombers' supplements regime are expected to be handed down next week.
REPORTER: Are you going to continue on coaching, James?
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: Meanwhile the woes at Essendon continue. Over the weekend more key staffers have walked away from the club, including chairman David Evans and high performance manager Dean Robinson. It's a remarkable list of casualties, considering the man at the centre of it all is the only man still standing.
LEIGH SALES: Caro Meldrum-Hanna reporting.
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3814616.htm
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"take pride in tearing the competition apart."
Going well, James!
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"take pride in tearing the competition apart."
Going well, James!
Sounded good at the time I guess. :lol
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Dons told drug was not legal
Nick McKenzie and Richard Baker
The Age
July 31, 2013
ASADA investigators have seized documents found inside the Essendon Football Club's headquarters that claim the anti-obesity drug at the centre of the doping inquiry was being used by bodybuilders as a "safe alternative" to banned human growth hormones.
The documents were given to Essendon in 2012, written by the Melbourne firm that developed the drug and asserted that if the product was "legal" its use would be more widespread.
"If AOD [anti-obesity drug AOD9604] was legal/more easily obtainable, users advise they would use AOD more often," the documents state, while also claiming the drug had a following among bodybuilders with "years of experience injecting anabolic steroids".
"We are informed by Californian gym owner that professional bodybuilders use AOD as a safe alternative to hGh to [reduce] . . . body fat."
When asked about the documents — which Fairfax Media has confirmed were held in 2012 by a still-serving Essendon official – a club spokesman said it was "untrue" the club had such files.
The spokesman said the club had instead relied on an email sent to its former sports scientist Stephen Dank by the company that developed the drug and which ''specially references that AOD9604 is not a banned substance by any drug-testing authority''.
But sources within Essendon have privately conceded that the documents – a 16-page corporate presentation written by Metabolic Pharmaceutical in late 2010 – should have prompted more due diligence by the club about the use of AOD9604.
The drug is yet to be approved for human therapeutic use and is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency under clause S0, which prohibits substances that are not authorised for medical use.
The documents are among several pieces of information gained by ASADA that reveal the risky nature of Essendon's sports science program and the failure of senior club officials to heed warnings that it might breach anti-doping rules or endanger the welfare of players.
Fairfax Media can also reveal that ASADA has uncovered a bill sent to Essendon in late 2012 by South Yarra hyperbaric chamber clinic owner Mal Hooper, who was working with Mr Dank to treat players. The bill for more than $60,000 included $2800 for the use of unspecified ''amino acids''.
It is understood the AFL and ASADA have been unable to confirm what drug the ''amino acids'' referred to, but have been told that despite the bill alarming several senior club officials, it prompted no decision to call in ASADA or the AFL.
Investigators have also obtained text messages from Essendon's former high performance coach Dean Robinson in which he cautioned Mr Dank that some of the peptides the sports scientist was considering using at the club could potentially break the anti-doping code.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-told-drug-was-not-legal-20130730-2qxqq.html
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The bill for more than $60,000 included $2800 for the use of unspecified ''amino acids''.
It is understood the AFL and ASADA have been unable to confirm what drug the ''amino acids'' referred to,
McVeigh
February 07, 2013 12:00AM
"Every player knew what they were taking. It was listed and we knew it was within the rules,"
"If you don't know, you must have been asleep in the meetings, which, you know what, Reimers probably was.
"Reimers has come out and said some things which are untrue (because) he is a disgruntled player that was delisted from the football club that very rarely turned up to pre-season training in any sort of form that would resemble a professional footballer now."
McVeigh, 32, "shocked" "dragged through the mud"
"We'd never gone into some of the supplements ... that we were going to take (last year),"
McVeigh said he was 100 per cent comfortable with the supplement treatment and insisted the vitamin booster injections were simply to help lift immunity and energy levels.
"We were taken off-site into a sterile environment (because) footy clubs sometimes can be not that clean - filthy, absolutely filthy,"
"So we were taken into a sterile environment and the only injections that I ever had was a vitamin C or vitamin B injection, which would be at the time I had a little baby girl.
"I wasn't getting much sleep. I was run down. I had a bit of a cold.
"I had a vitamin C injection. It is not uncommon. Natural vitamins they are.
"That's all they were, nothing any more sinister than that."
If we ask the players we will get all the answers. :nope :yep
The spokesman said the club had instead relied on an email sent to its former sports scientist Stephen Dank by the company that developed the drug and which ''specially references that AOD9604 is not a banned substance by any drug-testing authority''.
But sources within Essendon have privately conceded that the documents – a 16-page corporate presentation written by Metabolic Pharmaceutical in late 2010 – should have prompted more due diligence by the club about the use of AOD9604.
The drug is yet to be approved for human therapeutic use and is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency under clause S0, which prohibits substances that are not authorised for medical use.
Tim Watson
February 6, 2013
"One would think that everybody within their football club has the checks and balances whereby they know the people they're employing, they know the substances and the composition of any substances being given to the players as well ... getting their players fitter and faster and stronger, they're going to push those because that's what being in an elite environment is all about,
"But I hope that the correct checks and balances and the correct checks on the people are conducted before you employ them, because then you know exactly what it is that's going on within your football club."
‘‘I’m bewildered that this could possibly even take place in a modern-day, AFL, professional football club. It beggars belief, at face value, they have allowed what has been reported to occur.’’
:nope :yep
Mr James Hird
Feb 5
It's hard to make comment, um, but, I - look, I will make comment to these upsetting claims, but at present, I can't because of the AFL and ASADA investigation, and once my part of that is finished, I will response to these very upsetting claims. Thank you. That's all I'll say.
I'm very disappointed, shocked, I think probably the best word. We believe that as the leader of the football department, as the coach take full responsibility of what happens within our football department and I'm shocked to be sitting here, really.
TEXT MESSAGE FROM JAMES HIRD TO STEVE DANKS (male voiceover): "Good work today, mate. The boys were up and about. We have a lot of work to do."
TEXT MESSAGE FROM STEVE DANKS TO JAMES HIRD (male voiceover): "IV start next week. And Thymosin with Uniquinone. We will start to see some real effects."
TEXT MESSAGE FROM STEVE DANKS TO JAMES HIRD (male voiceover): "That is the IV list that will be completed by Wednesday night."
TEXT MESSAGE FROM JAMES HIRD TO STEVE DANKS (male voiceover): "Good work, mate. ******* rang me tonight. Said how good he felt after he saw you."
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: A few days later, Dank was offering more to Hird:
TEXT MESSAGE FROM STEVE DANKS TO JAMES HIRD (male voiceover): "We have Cerebrolysin. Will reoxygenate and recirculate the brain. We will also be getting Solcoseryl."
CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: Cerebrolysin is a neurological treatment made from pig brain proteins designed to enhance cognitive function. 7.30 can confirm it is not prohibited for use in sport. The other substance, Solcoseryl, stimulates tissue regeneration. It, too, isn't specifically banned by ASADA. By April, 2012, Dank was confident his supplements regime was having the desired effect.
TEXT MESSAGE FROM STEVE DANKS TO JAMES HIRD (male voiceover): "All IV and injections completed."
TEXT MESSAGE FROM JAMES HIRD TO STEVE DANKS (male voiceover): "Great work, mate. Would be a great effort to have them feeling fresh for Anzac Day."
:bluesbros
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Collingwood president Eddie McGuire was dumbfounded by the suggestions.
McGuire, currently in the US as part of an AFL delegation that includes AFL chief Andrew Demetriou, Hawthorn president Andrew Newbold and West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett, said he nearly "spat his cornflakes across the room" after reading the report.
"It came as a total shock to me, or to us," McGuire told Triple M on Wednesday morning.
"I really don't have anything to say about it, it's got nothing to do with us and I suppose the story was more about giving an insight into what was happening at Windy Hill or their thought process at the time.
"So it's got nothing to do with us, you know we get tested all the time and basically that's it. There's nothing really to say.
"We've not ever been under any suspicion and we continue to be in that situation."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-allegedly-believed-collingwood-hawthorn-and-west-coast-were-pushing-the-boundaries/story-fndv8gad-1226688416519#mm-breached
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Translation of Eddie
"What's important here is that Essendon are punished to the maximum, not whether other clubs are taking PED's"
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Dean Robinson's latest claims from Ch 7 news:
* Hird discussed about using Hexarelin in the program.
* Players were given substances in January 2012 before signing those consent forms.
* Only when players started questioning what was being put in their bodies did Robinson called a meeting of the whole player group in February 2012 and players were made to sign consent forms
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Not sure i heard correctly as our workshop is pretty noisy sometimes, but I think I heard Brownless say on Triple M this arvo that Essendon have requested a slot on the Footy Show tomorrow night? I guess they want to try and cover up anything damaging said in tonight's interview.
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight has also said tonight that Zaharakis refused to take any part in the Essendon drug program. "Sources" told Ch 7 it was his own personal choice and reflects how widespread the program was.
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Aaaaa nd bring the weapon on
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Waterworks within minutes.
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Don't know what to believe. Think I'll choose Robinson because that stuffs Hird around ;D
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All lagging rats.
What a surprise :o
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Don't know what to believe. Think I'll choose Robinson because that stuffs Hird around ;D
;D
Definitely just one blokes word against another. But regardless of any spin or subjectivity he wouldn't be outright making the whole thing up. You can piece it together, club is rooted.
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Don't know what to believe. Think I'll choose Robinson because that stuffs Hird around ;D
;D
Definitely just one blokes word against another. But regardless of any spin or subjectivity he wouldn't be outright making the whole thing up. You can piece it together, club is rooted.
Agree, they are stuffed. The whole lot of em :help
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Ain't it G R A N D ! :thumbsup
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I don't think he's missed anyone. Gone after Hird big time saying he's central to the whole thing. If this is all true then Essendon are totally screwed and the only one who'll be left at Essendon next year will be David Zaharakis.
No doubt tomorrow Essendon and certain Bomber supporters in the media will try to discredit Robinson.
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This is the same Mark McVeigh who claimed back in Feb they were only injected with vitamins B & C and now he's saying even if he didn't receive it personally that he was told AOD was for cartilage repair ::).
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This is the same Mark McVeigh who claimed back in Feb they were only injected with vitamins B & C and now he's saying even if he didn't receive it personally that he was told AOD was for cartilage repair ::).
Yep can't believe that smug face
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Who else heard Dean Robinson say on ch 7 words to the effect that James Hird said he knew Collingwood were on the gear because he knew who was supplying it to them . Said it was growth hormone. HGH didn't I say it would be!!
Its undetectable in low doses.
Bombs away
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McVeigh may have known what he was taking, and it wasn't AOD, yet Watson knew he was taking AOD :lol also agreed with Darcy about the name of the drugs, their uses etc. cartilage repair? Dear Mark, AOD is an acronym of Anti-Obesity Drug.
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"It's affected so many lives" and "the sooner this is resolved, the better". ::)
Effing sick of that line, especially from Essendon. Almost sounds like "we've done the wrong thing and the fallout is huge, so lets just accept it and forget it".
Well, perhaps they should have thought of that before they decided to go down a certain path.
You reap what you sow.
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Whackety,
Whack
Whack
And BTW Mark McVeigh is either a complete moron, acutely naive of totally delusional
Come to think of it reckon he's all 3 but complete moron is front and centre
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I just reckon McVeigh is out of his depth, hes a footballer not a politician. Trying to go into bat for his side but I bet he only knows the half of it and ends up looking like a twit.
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What's the point of McVeigh being on anyway? All he is doing is towing the party line. Total conflict of interest.
At the end of the day he was a player. Robinson was in a far greater position to know what was going on.
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Loving this special lads!
Because Essendon are going to be under massive pressure and I HOPE they crush and burn.
Going to love how Hird handles this! crush and burn Essendon "we did nothing wrong but sack our CEO, President and Fitness Manager because they did nothing wrong too" Football Club ...
Justice Will Prevail!
The Truth Will Set You Free!
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This post interview analysis panel is talking poot.
Nobody's asking the hard questions (much)
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JAMES HIRD (Feb. 5, 2013): I'm very disappointed, shocked, I think probably the best word. We believe that as the leader of the football department, as the coach takes full responsibility of what happens within our football department and I believe we've followed processes, we've put in place the right sort of processes. My understanding is that we worked within the framework that was given to us by the AFL and by WADA, and I'm shocked to be sitting here, really.
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Essen-done are like the Freemasons.
All so far up each others arse the whole place is insideout
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Whackety,
Whack
Whack
And BTW Mark McVeigh is either a complete moron, acutely naive of totally delusional
Come to think of it reckon he's all 3 but complete moron is front and centre
Hahaha definitely a moron :thumbsup
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and Hird's left nacker
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If Hird gets out of this clean I'll give up footy.
How can all these people resign, people lose there job, but the coach that implements the suppliments program still has a job. How does he live with himself?
How does sleep at night?
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Me too
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I've only got one question to every Essendon person out there, especially those that are still in denial....
If Matthew Knights was Essendon coach & this story broke, would he still be Essendon coach?
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If Hird gets out of this clean I'll give up footy.
How can all these people resign, people lose there job, but the coach that implements the suppliments program still has a job. How does he live with himself?
How does sleep at night?
'Cos he's the golden Dumbo........and he's the one getting rid of them
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Yeh.I'm out too
Crooked dogs
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The Robinson interview: what he said ...
By Mark Macgugan
afl.com.au
9:25pm AEST Wednesday, July 31, 2013
IN AN extended, paid interview with the Seven Network on Wednesday night, Essendon's former fitness boss Dean 'The Weapon' Robinson has opened up on the club's controversial supplements program.
This is what he had to say.
On his mental health and having suicidal thoughts:
"It makes me angry. It makes be sad. It makes me depressed in times. And were times, yeah, where it made me suicidal. And the only thing that pulled me up was seeing my little girl, looking at her. I'd chosen the knife. I knew how I was going to do it. The only thing that stopped me was my little girl. That's how close I was. I just thought, 'I can't go there, because I've got four kids relying on me, and I can't let them down.' That's where it was at. So this has taken its toll. The impact on my family has been the worst."
On being stood down on February 5, when Essendon self-reported to the AFL:
"Danny Corcoran basically marched me to my office, basically kicked me out onto the street, and I had to get my wife to come and pick me up. They haven't spoken to me since I left ... since I was marched out.
"I was brought in and told, 'You're being stood down pending the outcome of the investigation. Allegations have come to light.' What allegations? What have I done? I still don't know. And no one has called me, no one has talked to me, no one has wanted to interview me from the club? Why? To protect. To make a scapegoat. I'm being thrown out by Essendon to protect their favourite son. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out why they'd want to do that, but is it fair? No."
The hidden costs:
"To have a $60,000 invoice put on your desk that didn't come to me, that actually went to the CEO Ian Robson, was a shock. And then when we did the investigation into why that was the case, it was found Steve [Dank] was keeping the invoices to himself. He said it was for amino acids. I said, 'What amino'. He said, 'It was just amino'. He wouldn't give me the answer. I do not know what this amino acid is to this day. I wish I did."
On Danny Corcoran:
"I was threatened that I'd be ruined by Danny Corcoran. He said, 'You resign or we'll destroy you.'"
When did that happen?
"In September, after all the injuries. He was blaming me for all the injuries."
On the mid-season fade-out:
"[The injuries] were equal all the way across the year. They didn't change. You want to know why we collapsed? The reason we collapsed is James [Hird] said, 'We're pulling back everything.' We didn't do any cardiovascular conditioning, we couldn't lift properly. So we lost fitness. We didn't lose games at the end because we had injuries. We lost games because we couldn't run."
On his responsibility to the players:
"There is remorse for the 18-year-old kids, because maybe they can't make their minds up. It's a moral question that we're talking about here. And it's a dilemma. Should we have been more protective? Maybe. But the leadership group didn't have an issue with this. Only one player didn't want to be involved – David Zaharakis. And that was fine. It was his personal choice ... I wish the culture at the club was there that was a lot better."
Do you blame yourself for that culture?
"I followed the directive I was given by the head coach. That was what I was there for. Now maybe I should have been a bit more dictatorial and pulled it all back. I did this year when I got asked to investigate the supplements we were using and what would help me during this coming season. Danny Corcoran asked me to do that, and I said no. I stripped it right back. I didn't even give them protein powder this year. And I was getting heat from everyone, but I was trying to pull it back and get the basics right, because I felt it had gotten out of control. I wanted to get back to the players doing the right things – the right nutrition, the right recovery."
On Hird:
"He's a great player. Take none of that away from him. But at the end of the day, what I observed, what I saw, his actions, the way he has handled himself – I've got no respect for the guy anymore."
Should he be sacked?
"That's for the board to decide. If he was honourable, he'd stand down."
On the Essendon culture:
"James Hird is a legend of the game and a legend of Essendon. His grandfather was the president. There was so much Hird history at Essendon. It was a boys' club. Whatever James Hird wanted, James Hird got. That was made very clear to me. He had his plans for the club, and everyone was behind him. It was hell or high water, it was coming.
"This was more than I've ever seen before. I've seen strong cultures, I've seen strong coaches, I've seen successful coaches. But it was no expense spared. It was 'whatever it takes'."
On Ian Robson (former CEO):
"I told him about the supplement regime and pushing it to the edge. He said, 'I'll put it in my terms. I'm an accountant. At the end of the day, I've got no problem with tax minimisation, but I've got a problem with tax avoidance.' Which says to me, push to the edge. They knew what was going on. This wasn't closed door, secret meetings, the rest of it. It was open. No one was hiding anything, because we didn't think we were doing anything wrong. So they knew from the top of the club, all the way through."
Hird's injections:
"He (Hird) raised Hexarelin with us. There was a conversation that I walked in on between James Hird and Stephen Dank, and I saw Hird get injected by Dank. I said, 'We're not going down that path. As far as I know, Hexarelin…is a banned substance. We're not going there.' I shut it down.
"I can confirm to you that my lawyers have spoken with Steve Dank, and he said he did inject Hird with Hexarelin on 30-odd occasions. First off he said he had none, and then he said he only had a couple. That's a lie. They were weekly or bi-weekly injections. One of the substances he was injected with was Melanotan II. It's a vanity agent. It's a tanning agent, age and fat loss. It wasn't a banned substance. It's a substance you could go to a chemist and buy. Summer was coming, so we decided to take it. I haven't got a good answer to why I did it. It wasn't banned. I didn't think there was anything wrong with it. The others were doing it. James wanted something to help him lose weight, and asked if Steve could give him anything. It happened in Steve's office. I'd walk in, and James would be down there, and Steve would inject him."
Did you challenge him?
"No. Who challenges James Hird at Essendon? I tried a couple of times, but I learned pretty quickly it's something you don't do."
Chasing Collingwood:
"He (Hird) wanted me to bring bigger and stronger players to him. He felt they were being out-muscled, and he specifically noted a side that he really wanted to be. He wanted to go after Collingwood, and he wanted to be Collingwood. And he knew the stuff that Collingwood were doing. He said to me that he knew that they were taking supplements that were allowing them to get an advantage, because he knew who was supplying them."
What were the supplements?
"Growth hormone. Over the journey I felt there was inferences from him that we go down that path. I had a phone call while he was overseas telling me about a doctor he'd met in New York, who had this undetectable substance that you could use as a cream for players. And he came back and told me about it again, and said, 'We should investigate it. We should look at it.'"
Essendon:
"It was no expense spared - everything was whatever it takes, and I guess that was the slogan they went with this year, Whatever it Takes, because that was James Hird's attitude. I think the supporters are good people. I think the players are good people. I think the management of the club is a disaster."
On Stephen Dank:
"I first met him in 2004 when I was working with (NRL club) Manly Sea Eagles. He was a very knowledgeable man. A very smart man. I would have called us mates. I trusted the guy openly and honestly. I trusted him with my pregnant wife, and her supplementation and health. I put my family at risk with the guy, so I think you can see how much I trusted him at that stage."
Robinson said Cronulla used CJC-1295 in 2011, which at the time they believed was not a banned substance. He said Cronulla players trusted Dank.
"James asked for someone to help work in the supplementation, and the name Stephen Dank was the only one I raised. (In his job interview) they (James Hird and Danny Corcoran) put a scenario to Stephen, and Stephen said to them: 'What you're asking me to do is black ops'. I thought it was a shocking question, shocking what they said, but as far as I was concerned, we were never going to cross the line, and I didn't think Steve would either, because in the time I'd known him, he never crossed the line. Black ops means pushing the edge. It's being cutting edge.
"Everything I was involved in, I made sure it was put on the table. I sent emails out with the supplementation that was taking place. Now what happened behind closed doors, there was stuff that I wasn't privy to. I can't talk to that. He (Dank) was paid around about $100,000. The night Stephen Dank got appointed, 28 September 2011, he (Hird) said, 'Bring Steve over to my house. I want to get to know him.' We went over there, and James said, 'You two are in the inner sanctum now.' He explained where he'd been as a player and his thoughts and philosophies."
On his mental health and having suicidal thoughts:
"There were days where I couldn't sleep. There were numerous days where I thought about suicide. Where I've chosen the knife, chosen exactly how I'd do it. I've been within seconds of going and getting the knife, and it's in those moments that I've seen my kids, seen my family, and I've gone, 'If I leave them, who's going to look after them?"
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-31/the-robinson-interview-what-he-said
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/live-dean-robinsons-tellall-interview-on-seven-20130731-2qzih.html#poll
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How Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson spun the truth
Carly Crawford
From: Herald Sun
July 31, 2013 11:00PM
TWO key figures in the Essendon drugs program discussed how some substances could be in breach of anti-doping rules.
Text messages between Essendon's former high performance manager, Dean Robinson, and former sports scientist Stephen Dank reveal Dank assessed the status of banned drugs as "a little grey".
As Robinson went public with his version of events at Windy Hill, text messages from October 2011 reveal he told Dank to check various substances against anti-doping rules.
The pair then discussed referring to contentious peptides by a different name - amino acids.
"Can we just call them amino acids? Or something of the kind?" Robinson says.
Dank replies: "Yes, that is all they are, an amino acid blend."
There are doubts about whether players were fully aware of the nature of what they were being given.
Dank and Robinson believed they were operating with the endorsement of officials including coach James Hird, who insists he had instructed them to keep the Essendon program within anti-doping rules.
Hird, Dank, Robinson and Essendon deny they have breached anti-doping rules.
Sources say investigators have also been told that Robinson himself had allegedly administered injections to some players.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has been made aware of allegations that Dank told some players to describe some drugs as "amino acids".
Dank told the Herald Sun he had never agreed to refer to peptides as amino acids. Robinson did not comment.
There is evidence that Hird did have specific knowledge of at least some of the substances being given to players.
In addition to consent forms stating players were to receive AOD-9604, text messages previously released show that Dank told Hird he had planned to give players Cerebrolysin and Solcoseryl, among other drugs.
The status of these substances is not clear. AOD-9604 is banned.
ASADA is currently finalising its report on Essendon's 2012 supplement program.
It is tipped to be handed to the AFL as early as next week.
It is not clear why Dank and Robinson wished to avoid the term peptides, although both are known to have been eager to keep details of work secret to maintain a competitive advantage over other clubs.
It is alleged that Gold Coast player Nathan Bock had been told a banned substance he was allegedly given in December 2010 was an amino acid.
Hird has also told ASADA he was told a substance given to him was an amino acid. Dank has since claimed publicly that the drug was the peptide Hexarelin.
Robinson has claimed Hird and Essendon official Danny Corcoran recruited Dank to perform a role interpreted by Dank as "black ops".
Essendon says Hird and Corcoran used no such term.
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/07/31/1226689/145850-dank-robinson.jpg)
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/how-stephen-dank-and-dean-robinson-spun-the-truth/story-fndv8gad-1226689144951
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Dank urged to check on drug legality
Nick McKenzie, Richard Baker
The Age
August 1, 2013
Dean Robinson privately urged Stephen Dank to ''check out section S0'' of the world anti-doping code - which covers drugs not approved for human use - before the start of Essendon's supplements program.
Mr Robinson's warning, sent via a text message on October 4, 2011, and recently obtained by anti-doping investigators, is the earliest known concern within Essendon that the club's program could fall foul of the WADA code.
Section S0 bans the use of drugs not approved for medical use, which WADA recently confirmed included the failed anti-obesity drug AOD-9604, which was used on Essendon players throughout 2012 and has never been approved for human therapeutic use.
Mr Robinson, the club's former high performance boss, warned sports scientist Mr Dank that some of the peptides they were discussing ''may fall'' under S0 and suggested they find out if supplements were ''approved by any government agency for human therapeutic use''.
Mr Dank replied that the WADA S0 category was a ''grey area'' in relation to some of the drugs intended for Essendon players. But Mr Dank also texted that he was confident he could navigate the WADA rules in order to stay within them during the 2012 season.
Mr Robinson has told anti-doping investigators in interviews that he attempted to ensure Essendon did not breach anti-doping rules while also claiming that coach James Hird aggressively backed Mr Dank's cutting edge program - which earlier this year was described as experimental and without adequate controls in an internal Bombers' report.
Mr Dank's desire to push the boundaries of what he considered permissible under anti-doping rules is revealed in text messages given to ASADA and the AFL by Mr Robinson.
In a text sent in October 2011, while Mr Dank and Mr Robinson were discussing their plans for the Bombers, Mr Dank informed Mr Robinson that the drugs they were canvassing using ''didn't make the WADA [banned substance] list for next year''.
Mr Robinson texted back: ''I know!'' But he also cautioned Mr Dank about section S0 of the WADA act and texted that ''this area needs more clarity''.
The texts also suggest Hird's willingness to back Mr Robinson and Mr Dank's edgy ideas from the outset.
Late in the 2011 season, Mr Robinson texted Mr Dank to tell him that Hird and the Bombers were seeking information about Actovegin, an extract of calf's blood that is allowed to be used by sportspeople under anti-doping rules but is still controversial.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dank-urged-to-check-on-drug-legality-20130731-2qznm.html#ixzz2aeWJvG2F
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If Hird gets out of this clean I'll give up footy.
How can all these people resign, people lose there job, but the coach that implements the suppliments program still has a job. How does he live with himself?
How does sleep at night?
Because he believes what the delusional Bombers fans think is true - that he is the messiah, and his poot doesn't stink. He is delusional himself, and incredibly arrogant. And so, any behaviour or conduct which reinforces this belief is ok in his mind.
Put simply, James Hird has got too big for the club, in his own mind. From the outside, we can now see the results.
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Essen-done are like the Freemasons.
All so far up each others arse the whole place is insideout
lmao
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The credibility of AFL footy is on the line.
Mark McVeigh has gone from Vitamins which qualified nurses have said aren't injected to whatever he was saying last night. Moron of the highest nature. Once this saga is over they should take his media accreditation of him. Even by their standards he isn't up to it.
Hird is a terrible human being with no remorse.
BTW I'd take Zaharakis in a heartbeat. Good on him yet he was on the "whatever it takes" poster.
The irony was not lost on me.
Burn Essendon Burn.
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Andy mahar and Tim Watson full of shyte
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The credibility of AFL footy is on the line.
Mark McVeigh has gone from Vitamins which qualified nurses have said aren't injected to whatever he was saying last night. Moron of the highest nature. Once this saga is over they should take his media accreditation of him. Even by their standards he isn't up to it.
Hird is a terrible human being with no remorse.
BTW I'd take Zaharakis in a heartbeat. Good on him yet he was on the "whatever it takes" poster.
The irony was not lost on me.
Burn Essendon Burn.
Arghhhh McVeigh, the more he tried to defend the EFC and his buddy Hird the more foolish he looked.
Essendon didn't need anyone "official" on that panel, the had McVeigh
And then to see McVeigh hang Zaharakis out to dry by saying he didn't partake in the injection side of the program because he (Zaharakis) was afraid of needles, then add that there were another 4 players (5 in total) who did the same because they too are afraid of needles but wouldn't name them because it wasn't fair was simply gutless.
Then when Marky McVeigh was asked something along the lines are you saying that if Zaharakis need a painkilling jab at half time he wouldn't allow it, Marky said he couldn't answer :-\
Have to say the panel were just so non-committal when it came to "whacking" Jimmy, they all stuck together, not one had the guts to criticise Jimmy Hird and that's the most frustrating thing here
Jimmy Hird isn't the victim in this FFS :banghead :banghead People who love the game are the victims because we continue to be treated with utter contempt :banghead :banghead
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#standbyhird
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Saad 2 years energy drink 2 year
Vfl franga kid clarke energy drin emo rage 2 years
Travis casserly sudafed 2 years
Justin Charles roids banned
Watson? Peptideton? Good bloke the be
Darcy. Turd. Charter $10,000 to way pasta :sleep
Edited: not exactly what you are tyring to say in most of this post bents but you clearly accused someone of being on the gear. How many times do we need to say it, you cannot post unsubstantiated rumours about people for legal reasons, no proof that will stand up in a court of law then don't post it :banghead :banghead
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#standbyhird
those tweets were annoying the poo out of me until i saw alan christenson
something like this
yeah i took aod anti obesity but it didnt work as im still chubby
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"It wasn't a waiver, it was a consent form - every player knew what they were taking, it was listed and we knew that it was within the rules.
"It was clearly stated and if you didn't know you must have been asleep in the meeting, which Reimers probably was."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-06/ex-bomber-mcveigh-slams-drug-allegations/4504638
Jun 8, 2013
I haven't changed my mind at all, in terms of i don't believe that we got anything untoward, and that's yet to be proven but there is a huge doubt."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/inquiry-has-mcveigh-alarmed-and-furious-20130608-2nwo0.html
Jul 31, 2013
"I don't know what I took, I don't think it was AOD"
C7 TV Specia
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http://www.aflvic.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/AFLV_Web_2010/3._Getting_Involved/Community/Club_Resources/AFL_Anti-Doping_Code_2010.pdf
4. POWERS OF AFL AND ASADA
4.1 Under the ASADA Act and the NAD Scheme established under that Act, ASADA has the legislative authority to:
(a) investigate possible violations of the anti doping rules under the ASADA Act and the NAD Scheme for Players and Officials under the jurisdiction of the AFL;
(b) make findings in relation to such investigations;
(c) notify the Player, Official and the AFL of its findings and its recommendations as to the consequences of such findings; and
(d) present its findings and its recommendations as to consequences at hearings of the AFL Tribunal, the AFL Appeals Board or CAS, either at the AFL’s request or on its own initiative.
4.2 AFL has a responsibility to encourage and promote competition free from Prohibited Substances and Methods and to prevent doping practices in sport. To facilitate this object, the AFL specifically recognises ASADA and its functions and powers. ASADA agrees that the AFL retains all functions and powers relating to this Code, including all functions and powers relating to the issuing of an infraction notice, the convening of hearings, the presentation of allegations of an Anti Doping Rule Violations at a hearing and all matters incidental thereto.
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http://s186.photobucket.com/user/mattgmc87/media/Dons_zps4fee0290.jpg.html
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James Hird has denied claims he asked former high performance manager Dean Robinson to investigate a cream he believed to be a banned testosterone.
Hird also denied Robinson's claim in a paid 45 minute interview with Channel 7 last night that he had met a doctor in New York "that had this undetectable substance".
"I've never spoken to a New York doctor," Hird told media outside his Toorak mansion this morning.
Hird also said that his home had "definitely not" been raided by Australian Federal Police over his relationship with biochemist Shane Charter, who had been his trainer.
But Hird admitted watching some of the interview.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/former-essendon-high-performance-manager-dean-robinson-teetered-on-the-brink/story-fndv8gad-1226689129283#mm-breached
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Essendon players escape sanction? It's hard to see why
Peter Brukner
Australian sports medicine physician
August 1, 2013 - 1:43PM
There seems to be a general feeling that the likely result of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority inquiry is that the club will be severely punished with a large fine, suspension of officials and probable loss of points, but that the players will avoid suspensions.
I am not so sure about that.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-players-escape-sanction-its-hard-to-see-why-20130801-2r10f.html#ixzz2aglvufAs
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Big Brucks with the big broom :clapping
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I love the Brukster....the Big Brukaroo :clapping
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ESSENDON'S D-Day is shaping as August 26, with an AFL Commission meeting scheduled just days before Round 23.
It is believed the AFL has two commission meetings scheduled for this month - Monday, August 12, and the meeting a fortnight later - at which they could consider Essendon's plight.
If Essendon were to be charged with conduct unbecoming, it would likely be given 14 days to offer a defence.
It means Essendon could face that disrepute charge on August 26, just five days before Round 23, the last round before finals.
The Bombers play Richmond in Round 23.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendons-d-day-is-shaping-as-just-days-before-round-23/story-fndv8gad-1226689804644
Barrett last night on the Footy Show said the ASADA report could be released as early as today (Friday).
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The sports scientist at the centre of the Essendon drug scandal, Stephen Dank, used an unfounded allegation about Collingwood using banned drugs to pressure coach James Hird to authorise the controversial peptide program, according to a key witness in the investigation.
Biochemist Shane Charter, who has spoken to ASADA several times, including in the past week, has explained that Dank asked him to verify that the Magpies had been using human growth hormone in order to persuade Hird to get the peptide program ''over the line''.
Charter, who sourced the peptides from China, said he flew to Queensland at Dank's request in December 2011 to help sell the program to Hird. He said he had never sold or supplied Collingwood with substances or had knowledge of its supplements program.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-the-source-20130801-2r2aw.html#ixzz2akDHjVEc
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Essendon coach James Hird is reportedly considering an injunction to suppress the findings of ASADA's doping investigation if it fails to show Bombers players took a banned substance.
Hird has hired human rights barrister Julian Burnside QC who will lead Hird's response to the ASADA report, according to The Australian.
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"When the truth comes out, I will be in a very very good position, and so will the football club" (James Hird, April 12, 2013)
As long as Burnside QC, manages to prevent the release of the ASADA report to the public.
A report that the EFC requested.
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"When the truth comes out, I will be in a very very good position, and so will the football club" (James Hird, April 12, 2013)
As long as Burnside QC, manages to prevent the release of the ASADA report to the public.
A report that the EFC requested.
That's interesting because Adny D (rightly) has said that the AFL will be releasing the entire ASADA report to the public once the AFL has got it and reviewed it
Seems Jimmy is hellbent on taking the AFL on
Is he starting to get nervous? ;D
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From The Australian http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport...to-take-on-asada/story-fnca0u4y-1226689794682
:banghead :banghead :banghead
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If the report FAILS to show the bumdruggers took banned substances, why would you want to suppress that?
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If the report FAILS to show the bumdruggers took banned substances, why would you want to suppress that?
exactly Mr Gerkin, exactly :clapping
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"When the truth comes out, I will be in a very very good position, and so will the football club" (James Hird, April 12, 2013)
As long as Burnside QC, manages to prevent the release of the ASADA report to the public.
A report that the EFC requested.
That's interesting because Adny D (rightly) has said that the AFL will be releasing the entire ASADA report to the public once the AFL has got it and reviewed it
Seems Jimmy is hellbent on taking the AFL on
Is he starting to get nervous? ;D
WP bents.
If its proven that no banned subsance has been taken then what then.
I mean the game is losing its value to me as each day passes, and if that happens it will be the icing on the cake.
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"When the truth comes out, I will be in a very very good position, and so will the football club" (James Hird, April 12, 2013)
As long as Burnside QC, manages to prevent the release of the ASADA report to the public.
A report that the EFC requested.
That's interesting because Adny D (rightly) has said that the AFL will be releasing the entire ASADA report to the public once the AFL has got it and reviewed it
Seems Jimmy is hellbent on taking the AFL on
Is he starting to get nervous? ;D
WP bents.
If its proven that no banned subsance has been taken then what then.
I mean the game is losing its value to me as each day passes, and if that happens it will be the icing on the cake.
doesnt need to be mate.
Of six players who ran foul of the doping regulations in the VFL and the WAFL since 2010, five received two-year bans and one - Casey's Wade Lees - served 18 months simply for ordering a fat-burning substance that contained steroids. Lees' order was intercepted at customs. In the case of Frankston's Matthew Clark, who received a sports drink with the ominous name Hemo Rage, the VFL tribunal took pity, handing him nine months, only to have that stretch extended to two years by a hardline Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/secondtier-cases-show-saad-may-be-in-strife-20130731-2qz9y.html#ixzz2amSSGsF7
Its a farce...
integrity afl? :facepalm
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integrity + afl :nope
just like military and intelligence or political and correct.
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viagrea
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Can't wait till their anus is shredded.
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WP bents.
If its proven that no banned subsance has been taken then what then.
I mean the game is losing its value to me as each day passes, and if that happens it will be the icing on the cake.
daniel, have said this many times and I know you don't believe it or want to believe it but no matter what the ASADA reports says or doesn't say the AFL are going to charge the Bombers with bringing the game into disrepute.
The Bombers are in massive strife, they've damaged the game and the "brand". AFL hate their "brand" being tarnished,
The Bombers are going to be punished by the AFL one way or another. How big the whack? I think it will be big, I believe they will lose points and Jimmy will get a suspension
And just on the report
Fact is Jobe Watson has admitted taking a banned substance, that is not in dispute. The ASADA report has to say this. What it says after that about recommendations re punishment is the $64 question
Don't forget also that if WADA is not happy with what ASADA/AFL does then they have the right to appeal. They've done it before, they will do it again. And what bigger fish in Aust to make your point with than arguably the biggest sport in the country?
Let's see what happens. But for Hird to be hiring to so many folks when he supposedly hasn't done anything wrong, is confident in what the findings are going to be; suggests to me he is a very nervous individual
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Can't wait till their anus is shredded.
Well said
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WP bents.
If its proven that no banned subsance has been taken then what then.
I mean the game is losing its value to me as each day passes, and if that happens it will be the icing on the cake.
daniel, have said this many times and I know you don't believe it or want to believe it but no matter what the ASADA reports says or doesn't say the AFL are going to charge the Bombers with bringing the game into disrepute.
The Bombers are in massive strife, they've damaged the game and the "brand". AFL hate their "brand" being tarnished,
The Bombers are going to be punished by the AFL one way or another. How big the whack? I think it will be big, I believe they will lose points and Jimmy will get a suspension
And just on the report
Fact is Jobe Watson has admitted taking a banned substance, that is not in dispute. The ASADA report has to say this. What it says after that about recommendations re punishment is the $64 question
Don't forget also that if WADA is not happy with what ASADA/AFL does then they have the right to appeal. They've done it before, they will do it again. And what bigger fish in Aust to make your point with than arguably the biggest sport in the country?
Let's see what happens. But for Hird to be hiring to so many folks when he supposedly hasn't done anything wrong, is confident in what the findings are going to be; suggests to me he is a very nervous individual
no, i believe they will get a penalty but im fearful it will be another trigg or melbourne non tanking episode.
I dont see any benefit if its 6 months for the turd and loss of points for 2013.
This is the worst thing i have seen in football and ifey cop something lik that well the game can get stuffed.
WP the afl has proved that they are very lenient when handing out punishments. If asada finds nothing then we have to rely on the afl to deliver the home run,and im not sure that will happen with Mr Rockefellar at the helm.
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"You can see the body shapes have changed for some of the guys at the club," Watson said yesterday.
"It's noticeable that the program that has been put in place has already been effective on most guys. Certainly it has been an eye-opener for the guys who have been doing it for two-and-a-half weeks."
http://m.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/bigger-bombers-for-bruising-battles-20111108-1n5it.html
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Info out now
AFL got report
AFL said Masada done good job
400pg report
130witnesses
Investigation will continue due to new asada powers
AFL has report not Essen Don..
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interim report only.
dillon's press conference = pointless.
we know nothing more than we did 5 minutes ago
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Investigation will continue due to new asada powers
Come on down Steve Dank.
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interim report only.
dillon's press conference = pointless.
we know nothing more than we did 5 minutes ago
Essedon fans upset the asada investigation is on going. :)
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:lol :rollin
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Essendon and the AFL to receive the report on Monday.
Here's Essendon's nothing statement tonight
Essendon Football Club acknowledges the announcement by the AFL that they have received the ASADA interim report.
The Club looks forward to receiving the Report and responding in due course.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-08-02/club-statement
Yeah sure you do Bombers lol.
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Essendon Footy Club = Pakistan match fixers.
James Hird = Salim Malik
Our motto is we are always innocent because we are never guilty.
It's our innocence that separates us from the rest.
Our leader is James our home is Waco Hill.
See ya after Bombers. :lol :rollin :lol
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Wise rfc footy guy:
Is it a bit much to contemplate d'affaire ahmad saad as conspiracy?
not illegal out of comp. so assume amphetamine family something, not the DHEA of mark mcgwire in the whey protein. maybe it was in the whey protein. perhaps it was inadvertant. perhaps footballers tell lies just like you and i
i also assume this is the recreational drug afl testing. Not ASADA. my assumption may be incorrect.
my intuition: afl want a bust to shift Essendon off the back/front page and restore the narrative to "nothing to see here", integrity (we have), one positive confirms drug testing works, inadvertant but must accede to strict liability cos of WADA statutes
cycling always busted the little guys for propaganda. cycling MO always find the little guys to toss under the bus, but protecting the big guy, by masquerading myth testing works.
all major sport doping has been the provence, not of WADA, but of domestic police. and they are still subject to political influence. see: operation puerto in spain. also france; armstrong had private number of sarkozy who lobbied to change the ceo of the tour de france. who was subsequently shunted.
andrew dillion, brett clother, do they want to investigate what ian collins, ross oakley, wayne jackson know. i thought they were for integrity. oh, you mean, appearance and doublespeak. reverse engineering the findings we will find.
if ahmad saad's name was lance franklin, or nick reiwoldt, this would have disappeared, or counted as a recreational drug fail, just like other tests in justin charles time, never were acted on.
feel sorry for the little guy. may not be able to move dank or charter off the front page, but managed to displace essendon from the back page for a day or two.
if, and i concede, if this is not merely a product of my all too active jaundice, how are these integrity apples at the affal house?
#we_need_more_parkville_lawyers
#need_more_colin_carter_massachusetts_beancounters
#assange
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/st-kilda-player-ahmed-saad-being-investigated-after-providing-irregular-sample.1022474/page-26#post-29438356
Edit: Bents, you need to post the link you got it from if you cut and paste text from other sites.
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Looks like dopey Mark McVeigh has dumped Essendon in it by forgetting he said one thing back in February and then changed his story on that Ch 7 panel after the Robinson interview..
Exactly who was in Essendon drugs meeting?
by: Patrick Smith
From: The Australian
August 03, 2013
THERE is increasing confusion about which senior officials were present at a crucial meeting in January last year when the Essendon playing list was briefed on what drugs the footballers would be administered during the upcoming season.
The drug regime discussed at the meeting is the subject of the six-month investigation by ASADA after allegations the Essendon footballers were given substances banned under the WADA code.
The players were addressed by high-performance manager Dean Robinson and sport scientist Stephen Dank, that much is clear. Both men have since left the club. Dank was not re-employed at the end of the 2012 season and Robinson, stood down by the club on February 5 this season, resigned last Friday.
Essendon went to ASADA in February to ask the anti-doping agency to investigate its drug and supplements use after claims that some substances may have been in breach of WADA protocols. Former Essendon player Kyle Reimers, delisted at the end of 2012 but present at the pre-season meeting, said on Melbourne radio Triple M in February the players were told the program "was right on the borderline what they are giving us".
Reimers's version was quickly contradicted by Mark McVeigh, a veteran Essendon defender and good mate of coach James Hird, who said on SEN the next day there was nothing untoward about the meeting, the drugs used in the regime, and that Hird and club doctor Bruce Reid were present when consent forms were signed.
"I knew 100 per cent that it was within the WADA and the AFL doping regulations," McVeigh said at the time. "Players got (consent and confidentiality) forms in front of the doctors - Dr Bruce Reid who has been at the club for 30 years, coaches - and everyone knew that this had been ticked off. The doctor had told us it was fine, we trust (him) with everything, and James Hird, who we trust, we signed it, then that would give them consent (for us) to be able to have these tablets."
However, on a panel show that followed the Seven Network interview with Robinson last Wednesday, McVeigh - unprompted and emphatic - said that neither Hird nor Reid were present at this meeting in which the Essendon supplements regime was described to the players for the first time. He said he thought Reid might have been at his private practice away from the club. He said nothing about Hird's whereabouts.
To a simple inquiry by The Weekend Australian whether Hird and Reid were present at what has become one of the most significant meetings in the club's history, Essendon released a terse and guarded reply. "The club has provided and disclosed all relevant information regarding the 2012 season to ASADA and the AFL as part of their investigation. Until the findings are handed down, the club is not in a position to comment any further," a club spokesman said.
If Hird and Reid were not at the drug briefing then it would be easier for Essendon to paint Dank and Robinson as rogue operators. But if Reid and Hird were at the meeting - as McVeigh initially contended - then it puts the club coach and doctor right in the thick of the supplements program.
McVeigh also had a different version of how the meeting came to take place. In February he said: "When we were told we would be taking certain supplements, and having certain injections, the club and the players asked not that we would have a waiver form - let me stress it wasn't a waiver form - it was a consent form that the players asked for," he said. "Everything we would be taking, we were going on a different program to what we had been on before, we had never really gone into some of the supplements we were taking, so we asked for a consent form that WADA and the AFL doping code would make sure that it was ticked off and within the regulations," he said. But on Wednesday night he gave another version, denying Robinson's suggestion it was the high-performance manager who called the meeting to inform the players of the detail of the drug regime.
"That did not happen," McVeigh said on Wednesday. "Jobe Watson and myself actually spoke to James Hird about the program in early January (2012). The injections did not start until early February.
"Orally, there were tablets - vitamins, we were told - and they were put into our lockers. I was concerned about the level, it had gone up, we had never done it before, it was a new frontier. We went to James Hird saying we need a bit of clarification around what we are having, why we were having it and what it was doing in terms of our rehabilitation and vitamins and how it is making us better."
After meeting with the six-man leadership group, McVeigh said Hird agreed for a presentation to be done. Former premiership coach Leigh Matthews, who was also on the panel last Wednesday, challenged McVeigh that it was odd that Hird would not then be at such an important meeting arranged to explain the controversial program as well as calm player concerns about the drug program.
Matthews said: "I find it quite strange that the senior coach was not part of that briefing. He runs the football department, it's the sell, it's legal, it's OK and I support it. Steve and Dean, you explain it. I would have thought the senior coach was part of the sell."
The ASADA findings into Essendon's supplements and peptide program could be announced as early as this week.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/exactly-who-was-in-essendon-drugs-meeting/story-e6frg7uo-1226690468703
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I reckon Hird could go out and commit the most henous of crimes in broad daylight and his media gatekeepers would still try to protect him...stuffing robots
Protect the golden one at all costs!
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I reckon Hird could go out and commit the most henous of crimes in broad daylight and his media gatekeepers would still try to protect him...stuffing robots
Protect the golden one at all costs!
We will soon find out if the AFL are protecting him also
In not holding my breath
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-report-has-landed-20130802-2r524.html
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J.Hird "I can't wait for the truth to finally come out"
Wants the truth suppressed with a High Court Order
Dafaq?
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bbjbibk
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:huh3
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i seem to be banned or having computer issues:
OE: you haven't been banned Bents. You wouldn't be able to post otherwise.
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Just listening and reading the football publics opinions on this issue,the non Essendon consensus seems to be to throw the kitchen sink at them and then some.
Is this because we are concerned of the drugs or cheating issue or is it because its an arch rival or both?
I must admit that at times I have let my hatred for anything non Richmond to cloud my judgement on this issue,but generally I get back to the heart of this problem namely a society wide concern for drugs and alleged cheating in sport..what do you learned gentlemen and lady folk think?
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i seem to be banned or having computer issues:
A check on what your ingesting maybe another option
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bbjbibk
:clapping Your best work yet, very insightful
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More preaching from Hird to his cult followers to divert attention away from the ASADA report.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-03/hird-speaks-of-bomber-love
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Waco Hill gang at its best.
David Koresh oops I mean James Hird still preaching his fundamentalist dogma. :wallywink
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Waco Hill gang at its best.
David Koresh oops I mean James Hird still preaching his fundamentalist dogma. :wallywink
:rollin
What a fitting description Tucky after seeing Hird at Windy Hill today. Talk about a cult following! :allears
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Waco Hill gang at its best.
David Koresh oops I mean James Hird still preaching his fundamentalist dogma. :wallywink
:rollin
What a fitting description Tucky after seeing Hird at Windy Hill today. Talk about a cult following! :allears
Absolutely sickening.
Then the fans saying they love the club and its their club and the AFL can't do anything to them all while the leader smugly talks about a game against Collingwood tomorrow.
The truth will come out. :thumbsup
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Waco Hill gang at its best.
David Koresh oops I mean James Hird still preaching his fundamentalist dogma. :wallywink
:rollin
What a fitting description Tucky after seeing Hird at Windy Hill today. Talk about a cult following! :allears
Absolutely sickening.
Then the fans saying they love the club and its their club and the AFL can't do anything to them all while the leader smugly talks about a game against Collingwood tomorrow.
The truth will come out. :thumbsup
Yep he loves the club so much it's now cactus with no credibility and no ethics :wallywink.
The truth will come out*
* Hird's fine print: only after my lawyers, spin doctors and fanbois have cleared it.
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Hird is a living idiot
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Mark Stevens said there's question marks on the validity of that $60,000 invoice as it has Zaharakis' name on it and it says he was in line for 2-6 injections which we know he didn't have. Apparently Essendon are saying 'only' 40 of the 134 injections listed actually occurred.
Sam Lane said this interim report won't list a who did what; it's just a state of play statement. ASADA is working to its own timetable even if the AFL, Essendon and the media want it wrapped up quickly. So this investigation looks likely to go on well into the finals and the AFL may have to make its own call on Essendon before the final report is finished.
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Waco Hill gang at its best.
David Koresh oops I mean James Hird still preaching his fundamentalist dogma. :wallywink
:rollin
What a fitting description Tucky after seeing Hird at Windy Hill today. Talk about a cult following! :allears
Absolutely sickening.
Then the fans saying they love the club and its their club and the AFL can't do anything to them all while the leader smugly talks about a game against Collingwood tomorrow.
The truth will come out. :thumbsup
They are saying that only because of where they are on the ladder.
If they ended the year on 4 losses they will be singing a different tune.
Only their ladder position is saving the Turd from his own turning on him.
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Waco Hill gang at its best.
David Koresh oops I mean James Hird still preaching his fundamentalist dogma. :wallywink
:rollin
What a fitting description Tucky after seeing Hird at Windy Hill today. Talk about a cult following! :allears
Absolutely sickening.
Then the fans saying they love the club and its their club and the AFL can't do anything to them all while the leader smugly talks about a game against Collingwood tomorrow.
The truth will come out. :thumbsup
They are saying that only because of where they are on the ladder.
If they ended the year on 4 losses they will be singing a different tune.
Only their ladder position is saving the Turd from his own turning on him.
Would it be wrong of me to barrack for the Pies tomorrow in this sense or anybody playing Peptideton? ;D
As long as RFC interests are not compromised. :thumbsup
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I'm heading in tomorrow. Got my 2 wooden spoons to whack together. Reckon Cult Hird will see the funny side? :shh
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Essendon star David Zaharakis alleged to have been given anti-ageing drug
Carly Crawford
From: Herald Sun
August 04, 2013
BOMBERS star David Zaharakis was allegedly given an anti-ageing drug whose status is unclear as part of the Bombers' 2012 supplement regime.
Despite claims Zaharakis, 23, was not part of the Bombers' controversial program, the Herald Sun has confirmed there are allegations he was given the capsule TA-65.
Zaharakis is believed to have been assured TA-65 did not contravene anti-doping rules and Essendon has medical advice that the drug is not prohibited.
But the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has been unable to explain its status to the Herald Sun.
The revelation comes as the AFL and Essendon examine a 400-page report from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority about the club's supplement regime.
Essendon's former sports scientist, Stephen Dank, has told associates Zaharakis had been given TA-65, a herb extract which is said to improve stamina and joint flexibility.
Essendon declined to comment on whether Zaharakis took the drug.
Anti-ageing doctor Robin Willcourt, who worked with Dank during his time with Essendon and is a strong promoter of TA-65, insists it has no performance-enhancing properties and believes it should not be banned.
The sports medicine specialist recently appointed by Essendon to review its supplement program, Andrew Garnham, said there should be no doubt it was clear for athletes to use.
"TA-65 is regarded as safe and not prohibited," he said.
"While a number of unproven claims have been made about TA-65, there has been no suggestion that it has a performance-enhancing effect."
He said TA-65 was readily available in the US, its place of manufacture.
"There is no reason to think TA-65 is prohibited," Dr Garnham said.
But ASADA appears unsure. The authority is waiting on word from the World Anti-Doping Agency if TA-65 should be prohibited.
WADA is assessing that drug, and a range of others, for possible inclusion on its list of banned substances.
TA-65 is not registered with the Therapeutic Goods Administration.
The Australian Crime Commission's drugs in sport report identified it as having unknown health consequences.
In a paid TV interview, Essendon's former high-performance manager Dean Robinson suggested Zaharakis was the only player not to have taken part in the club's injections program.
The claim was disputed by former Bombers vice-captain Mark McVeigh, who said he believed a number of players had not received injections.
It is not clear whether Robinson knew Zaharakis had allegedly been given the anti-ageing capsule.
Zaharakis' manager Scott Lucas last week told SEN radio that his client "basically, doesn't like needles".
On that basis, he felt confident Zaharakis would not be penalised if ASADA found the club's supplement regime had contravened anti-doping rules.
"It makes things a bit easier," Lucas said.
"It has been a different conversation with David from us to him as a result of that.
"When there's been talk of potential penalties (for players), the very essence of that is that it doesn't apply to David."
Lucas did not return calls and Essendon declined to comment.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-star-david-zaharakis-alleged-to-have-been-given-anti-ageing-drug/story-fndv8gad-1226690763044
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Waco Hill gang at its best.
David Koresh oops I mean James Hird still preaching his fundamentalist dogma. :wallywink
:rollin
What a fitting description Tucky after seeing Hird at Windy Hill today. Talk about a cult following! :allears
Absolutely sickening.
Then the fans saying they love the club and its their club and the AFL can't do anything to them all while the leader smugly talks about a game against Collingwood tomorrow.
The truth will come out. :thumbsup
They are saying that only because of where they are on the ladder.
If they ended the year on 4 losses they will be singing a different tune.
Only their ladder position is saving the Turd from his own turning on him.
Would it be wrong of me to barrack for the Pies tomorrow in this sense or anybody playing Peptideton? ;D
As long as RFC interests are not compromised. :thumbsup
Yes and il be cheering for the cheats too the week after
If they lose those 2 we will see some differently commentary coming from these dillusional turd fans
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Translation of Eddie
"What's important here is that Essendon are punished to the maximum, not whether other clubs are taking PED's"
:lol
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I'm heading in tomorrow. Got my 2 wooden spoons to whack together. Reckon Cult Hird will see the funny side? :shh
Bang em loud and hope you can run fast
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I'm heading in tomorrow. Got my 2 wooden spoons to whack together. Reckon Cult Hird will see the funny side? :shh
Bang em loud and hope you can run fast
Sitting in the Collingwood members. Strength in numbers I say. :lol
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Dons receive ASADA report as AFL concedes probe could spill into finals ...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-04/asada-probe-doubt
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it needs to be sorted before the final
stuffing joke otherwise.
if they lose points it has to happen before the finals or it becomes the greatest farce in sporting history.
it would be just our luck that the first finals we play in in 180 years becomes null and void due to this fiasco
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I think Andy D not being here presiding atm with the ASADA document released says a lot about the credibility of the comp atm. The AFL Commission meets on the 12th of August which is next Monday and if any recommendations/ sanctions are handed down they meet again on the 26th so in effect they give Essendon two weeks to either accept or fight the sanctions. Just in time for our game against them on August 31.
In a normal world of course.
James Hird is the evil murderous sorority sister in the B grade universal movies where no one close to her wants to believe she has done anything and can buy justice thanks to her warlord of a rich magnate father and she is prepared to go as far as possible to hide the skeletons in her closet and cover up everything until the weight of evidence is just too overwhelming and then she just shows what a psycho path she really is.
James Hird is Marcia from the Brady Bunch.
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ive worked it out
vi-ag-ra is a banned word! wtf
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/*bannedword*-found-on-peptide-tab-allegedly-given-to-essendon-figures/story-fni0fit3-1226690475667#mm-breached
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Adelaide Crows chief operating officer Nigel Smart believes Essendon is likely to lose its premiership points.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-crows-chief-operating-officer-nigel-smart-thinks-bombers-facing-loss-of-points/story-fndv8gad-1226691004546
It was also reported by Channel Seven on Sunday that a key ASADA official had addressed Essendon players at a meeting on May 6 and assured them they would receive ''at worst, an infraction notice and a warning''. And that the club's lawyers were at the meeting and recorded it. Even if the players do escape without a meaningful sanction, the club could still be punished by the AFL for bringing the game into disrepute.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-examine-drug-report-20130804-2r7on.html#ixzz2b1T9eWc5
No sign of imminent player ban for Essendon players after AFL accepts ASADA report
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/no-sign-of-imminent-player-ban-for-essendon-players-after-afl-accepts-asada-report/story-fndv8gad-1226691069516
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It was also reported by Channel Seven on Sunday that a key ASADA official had addressed Essendon players at a meeting on May 6 and assured them they would receive ''at worst, an infraction notice and a warning''. And that the club's lawyers were at the meeting and recorded it.
No sign of imminent player ban for Essendon players after AFL accepts ASADA report
If this is the case, then Justin Charles should lob a Molotov cocktail through AFL headquarters.
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ive worked it out
vi-ag-ra is a banned word! wtf
Bents i've had similar issues with the names of other pharmaceuticals .
i believe the error message you get is either built into the software or something on the hosting server.
quite orwellian, actually :police:
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ive worked it out
vi-ag-ra is a banned word! wtf
Bents i've had similar issues with the names of other pharmaceuticals .
i believe the error message you get is either built into the software or something on the hosting server.
quite orwellian, actually :police:
I think you are correct al, it is an issue with our hosts server
Because I can assure Bents that word he is having trouble posting is certainly not on any list of "censored" words the OER has
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have you tried the word to see the error page billy?
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have you tried the word to see the error page billy?
Yes I have al, checked it last night on the computer at home and then again this morning on my work computer to see if they were same
Personally reckon it is blocked to avoid spammers but not 100% sure
Obviously, will speak to Mr OE about it and invesitgate it our end :thumbsup
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Well what a relief that's all clear now.
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Jobe Watson is going to wish he was banned by time his career has ended. :shh
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Rumor turd gone by Thursday
Ricciuto
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3AW saying the same, rumor
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The turd needs to be flushed before the whole plumbing backs up
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How do these people know these things? Is the report being leaked?..i don't get this
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#standbyhird
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#standdownhurd
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#standbytheweapon
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How do these people know these things? Is the report being leaked?..i don't get this
Goodwin told riccito?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Goodwin under the pump also over this Essendon drama?
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Paul Roos
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Paul Roos
if that happens il punch someone
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The turd needs to be flushed before the whole plumbing backs up
What a log fest
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Waco Hill up in flames.
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have you tried the word to see the error page billy?
Yes I have al, checked it last night on the computer at home and then again this morning on my work computer to see if they were same
Personally reckon it is blocked to avoid spammers but not 100% sure
Obviously, will speak to Mr OE about it and invesitgate it our end :thumbsup
WP is correct. The host server blocks certain words that a commonly used in spamming.
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Tim Watson believes AFL has decided to strip Essendon of premiership points over supplements saga.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/tim-watson-believes-afl-has-decided-to-strip-essendon-of-premiership-points-over-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1226691431401#mm-breached
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Report on Hird ultimatum 'categorically untrue', say Bombers
By Matt Thompson and AAP
9:57pm AEST Monday, August 5, 2013
ESSENDON has categorically denied a report James Hird has been ordered to stand down while the timeline for a resolution to the supplements scandal remains unclear.
On a day of denials, the AFL was also forced to refute suggestions it was preparing to strip the Bombers' premiership points or that Andrew Demetriou's absence was having an adverse impact on the process.
The speculation about Hird's future emanated out of Adelaide, where former Crows skipper Mark Ricciuto took to radio station Triple M to report the Bombers coach had been given an ultimatum.
"I received a phone call earlier on from a man who would know, and said that his source, a very very reliable source ... has said that if James Hird doesn't resign by Thursday someone else might make the decision for him," Ricciuto told his South Australian audience.
The club was swift to deny Riccuito's claim.
"It's factually incorrect and categorically untrue," Essendon spokesman Justin Rodski told AFL.com.au on Monday night.
Such was the frenzy created by the radio story, Essendon was forced to issue a statement later on Monday night to all media describing Ricciuto's reporting as "baseless rumours."
"As a club we are incredibly frustrated by the decision of some sections of the media to report unfounded and untested gossip," the statement read.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-05/report-categorically-untrue
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Evans was also not going to stand down.
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Turd is using Johnny Howard's spin doctor bare in mind... :shh
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Evans was also not going to stand down.
The media have now moved in for the kill with Hird and as a spectator I don't mind that, but Ricciuto is a tool. The media had nothing so one of their own claimed a rumour. The media can now report on itself for a couple of days, ::)
Don't get too excited peoples. Hird is going nowhere unless he is pushed and he will fight that too. Publicly hiring someone of the calibre of Julian Burnside QC is a pre emptive move to say he is going to appeal any sanction against him. He hasn't hired a team of A-Grade lawyers and PR spinners to get off a parking fine, he's going to try and weather the poo that gets thrown when the report sees daylight.
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WADA.
ACC.
AFL.
Even mr. Weapon etc.
Got lawyers, also.
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True biscuit.
It makes you think they have been told that the players are not going to be hit with sanctions.
Because if they cop an infraction notice, it doesn't matter how good Hird's lawyers are, he will have lost his moral entitlement to the job. Surely he's not going to take that on.
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True biscuit.
It makes you think they have been told that the players are not going to be hit with sanctions.
Because if they cop an infraction notice, it doesn't matter how good Hird's lawyers are, he will have lost his moral entitlement to the job. Surely he's not going to take that on.
In Jimmy's world it's all about Jimmy, his image, his reputation so sadly he would take it one without batting an eyelid
How it effects/impacts on anyone else is secondary in Jimmy's world
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Time to sit on the toilet with the Herald-Sun and enjoy a quality James Hird.
Great way to start the day
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Teflon Dons escape drug bans
by: Chip Le Grand and Courtney Walsh
From: The Australian
August 06, 2013
NO Essendon footballer is expected to be charged with a doping offence as a result of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's six-month investigation into the use of peptide hormones at the AFL club.
The Australian understands ASADA's 400-page report, having been examined by club officials and their legal team, does not contain a prima facie case that any Essendon player took a banned substance during the 2012 season.
Six months after the so-called "blackest day in Australian sport", when the Australian Crime Commission alleged widespread use of performance-enhancing drugs in the AFL and NRL, the evidence is yet to emerge.
ASADA has emphasised its investigation is ongoing and the agency's newly enshrined coercive powers, which enable it to force witnesses to attend hearings and provide documents, may generate further evidence of what went on at the club.
However, on the evidence assembled so far, Essendon is convinced there is no "smoking gun" which proves any individual footballer took a banned substance either deliberately or inadvertently as part of the supplements program designed by former high-performance manager Dean Robinson and sports scientist Stephen Dank, who both publicly said players were not administered with banned substances as part of their regime.
Dank has so far declined to give evidence to ASADA. He is understood to be preparing a legal challenge against any attempt to force him to take the stand.
Dank's unwillingness to co-operate with investigators has made it difficult to establish a clear chain of custody showing which footballers were injected with what substances. Dank has publicly said Essendon players were treated with AOD9604, a contentious peptide hormone the World Anti-Doping Agency has since declared banned. Essendon maintains it does not know whether any players were treated with it.
With ASADA's focus now shifting to several NRL clubs, where players are today expected to be interviewed by anti-doping investigators, Essendon's fate is in the hands of the AFL.
The AFL Commission has broad powers to punish any club, official or player found to have brought the game into disrepute. Prominent former Essendon player Tim Watson, the father of current club captain Jobe, yesterday said he believed the AFL had already decided to strip the club of this season's premiership points.
"The AFL operate as well, in fact even better than a political party the way that they operate - the way that they leak out information," Watson told Melbourne Radio SEN. "They conditioned, I think, the general public a while ago to this whole idea that points were going to be taken away."
The absence of any doping violations at Windy Hill will weaken the AFL's hand in responding to the Essendon scandal. One lawyer connected to the case questioned what action the league should take, if any, given investigations by the ACC and ASADA had so far produced no criminal charges or doping violations.
Any decision to strip the club of premiership points will almost certainly trigger legal action by Essendon, which has engaged prominent barrister Jack Rush QC. Coach James Hird is being advised by human rights champion Julian Burnside QC.
ASADA made available its "interim" report last Friday to the AFL, which in turn provided a copy to Essendon under strict confidentiality. Under normal ASADA procedures, athletes suspected of doping violations are given 14 days to show cause why they shouldn't be formally charged. So far, no infraction notices have been issued.
ASADA declined to explain why it took the unorthodox step of issuing an interim report to the AFL rather that waiting for its investigation to be complete, saying the investigation was ongoing.
AFL deputy chief executive Gil McLachlan said there was no certainty the league would complete its determination of the case against Essendon before the start of next month's finals series.
Responsibility for recommending charges under AFL guidelines falls to the league's general counsel Andrew Dillon, who is reviewing the ASADA report and 13,0000 supporting documents.
"If any action is to be taken, he'll make a decision when it's appropriate," McLachlan said.
"I'm not sure when that's going to be. As I've always said, we're keen to bring this to a head before the finals and we're hopeful that will be done. But the process has to play out."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/teflon-dons-escape-drug-bans/story-fnca0u4y-1226691731338
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1) Watson is a utter flog
2) I would assume the interim report is merely for banning the cheats from finals football. Player bans to come afterwards.
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So Essendon is given a copy of the report "under strict confidentiality". Which one assumes means no leaking it to the media
But at the same time the reporter says "The Australian understands ASADA's 400-page report, having been examined by club officials and their legal team, does not contain a prima facie case that any Essendon player took a banned substance during the 2012 season."
How could the Australian make that assumption without some sort of knowledge of its contents?
This just keeps getting murkier and grubbier every day :banghead :banghead
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grubby as can be
for mine the sport in general has been going down hill for a long time - but when jobe was allowed to play after the tv interview that was the day it went into the poohole.
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Perversion of the course of justice, is another charge that comes to mind.....
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If the AFL do strip the bummers of their points before the finals essendon will take an court injunction to play in the finals.
If the courts uphold the AFL decision, then anyone that essendon beats, as well as the team that finished 9th may well launch their own proceedings.
2013 final series may just be declared a non event.
I wonder what sort of pay rise andy pandy would give himself after that sort of fiasco
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Essendon today has turned Windy Hill into Fort Knox with fencing put around the perimeter to keep the pesky media out of the players' car park :wallywink.
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AFL Commission should not be deciding on Essendon charges, says league's former legal adviser David Galbally QC
The World Today
abc.net.au
By Alison Caldwell
A leading Melbourne barrister says the AFL Commission should have nothing to do with the decision on whether to lay charges against Essendon Football Club.
David Galbally QC says the AFL is not independent and would fail the governance test by investigating one of its own football clubs.
There are concerns the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Agency's (ASADA) much anticipated report into alleged doping offences says very little about doping but a great deal about governance failures at Essendon last year.
ASADA's interim report was presented to the AFL last Friday night and to Essendon on Sunday.
It has been reported Essendon's players have escaped penalties but the club itself could be found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute.
Mr Galbally, a former legal adviser to the AFL, has appeared at the AFL tribunal on numerous occasions.
He says there is a "huge" conflict of interest in the commission determining whether charges should be laid against Essendon.
"I think there is a huge problem now emerging, and that is the commission itself to hear and deal with these charges," he told The World Today.
"Whatever charges are laid and whatever is dealt with has got to be seen by the public throughout the country as being transparent and dealt with by individuals that do not have an interest in the outcome, in any way shape or form.
"[Bringing the game into disrepute] would be the charge that would be laid against the Essendon and it may be a charge laid against some officials.
"That charge should be heard by a body that's outside the AFL and it should be opened to the media for everybody to hear and see what the result is.
"There may be a big question mark over Essendon until the report is finalised and whatever happens, happens, and the public will have question marks and the finals, if that's the case when the finals come about, may well be played under a cloud."
Mr Galbally, who was also the lawyer for Essendon's former sports fitness boss Dean Robinson - who brought sports scientist Stephen Dank to the club - says it was wrong to expect ASADA to finish its report within six months.
"I think it was unrealistic to have expected a final report now, there would be close to if not in excess a hundred individuals that had to be interviewed," he said.
"It's a very huge task, it's a large investigation."
'Tremendous misgivings' about ASADA report
ABC Grandstand commentator Gerard Whateley says it is "unfathomable" that ASADA's interim report is more focussed on governance issues than on what substances were used at Essendon.
Whateley says only by examining the club's supplements program can proportionate penalties be handed out.
"I have tremendous misgivings about what ASADA has put forward as its interim report, because it is a governance report," Whateley said.
"ASADA's charter, I would have believed, to produce a report would have been on what substances were used, what was the legality or otherwise of those substances, which players were involved and will it lead to infraction notices for players to face bans.
"Because that's what ASADA is, it's to investigate the potential of doping violations of individual athletes. Specifically none of that information is contained in the 'interim ASADA report', in 400 pages. I find that unfathomable.
"They're clearly not ready to deliver any findings on the substances in the program. I honestly don't understand what that 400 page report is, and what its place is coming from ASADA.
"My personal opinion is the process is now running backwards. The question that must be answered is did Essendon engage in a systematic doping campaign? Were players given prohibited substances?
"With those answers you actually get proportional penalties, the potential for punishment, the appropriate charges under both WADA and from the AFL.
"I think without the answer to that pivotal question they're dancing around the edges and I actually that's quite a dangerous thing to do."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-06/conflict-of-interest-in-afl-deciding-bombers-charges/4868740?section=sport
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it's all a crock of poo.
They're all on the same team
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Essendon players given banned drugs
Nick McKenzie and Richard Baker
The Age
August 7, 2013
Some Essendon players were given WADA-banned substances AOD9604 and Thymosin Beta 4 under the direction of sports scientist Stephen Dank, according to circumstantial evidence detailed in the confi dential ASADA report into the AFL club's 2012 supplements program.
Multiple sources aware of the contents of the report told Fairfax Media that it detailed the strong faith that Essendon coaching and management staff , including James Hird, placed in Dank and his assurance the program complied with the rules – a claim he maintains.
ASADA has also found that Essendon staff failed to implement basic governance, management and medical practices to ensure players were not exposed to health and doping risks. It found that the club failed to follow its own protocols around the use of drugs suggested by Dank.Basic records about what drugs were given to specific players were not kept.
This failure has made it more diffi cult for anti-doping investigators to build a prima facie case that could enable doping infraction notices to be issued to individual players.
A source who has read the ASADA report said the circumstantial evidence was very strong that Thymosin Beta 4 - a drug deemed by the World Anti-Doping Agency to be performance enhancing - was given to several players at the club.
Eleven players have told ASADA that they were given what they were told was Thymosin, although they could not say what sort of Thymosin it was.
ASADA has confirmed beyond reasonable doubt that AOD9604 - a failed anti-obesity drug banned by WADA under its S0 category because it is not approved for human use - was used at the club.
The report states that players were largely unwitting victims of a high-risk and poorly governed program.
The ASADA investigation into Essendon is ongoing and the prospect of infraction notices for doping violations being issued to individual players or the wider team remains open.
However, any such decision would be weighed against the evidence showing that the players acted in good faith and were given poor advice and directions by Dank - who has refused to be interviewed by ASADA - and others at the club.
Separate to ASADA's deliberations, the AFL is weighing whether to punish the club or its officials, including Hird, under the code's own rules on exposing players to risky practices. Punishment could include the loss of premiership points or the suspension of staff.
The report will relieve Hird to the extent that the evidence gathered portrays him as a person who never sought to break anti-doping rules or knowingly expose his players to harm.
However, it is understood that Hird is one of several officials identified as having failed to ensure proper practices were implemented and followed, exposing players to an unsafe workplace.
The circumstantial evidence gathered by ASADA about the use of Thymosin Beta 4 is corroborated by an interview Dank gave to Fairfax Media in April in which he repeatedly talked about giving Thymosin Beta 4 to players.
Hours before publication of a story on April 12, Essendon told Fairfax Media that it would dispute reports about Thymosin Beta 4 being used because player consent forms only referred to "Thymosin" and it was possible a version of the drug not banned by WADA had been used.
When contacted for clarification by Fairfax Media prior to publication, Dank said he was mistaken in his original on-the-record interview and that his references to Thymosin Beta 4 in fact related to a drug called thymomodulin.
In his earlier on-the-record interview, Dank confirmed he had used Thymosin Beta 4 and did so because he said there was "good data, very good data, that supports Thymosin Beta 4 in the immune system".
When questioned about ASADA's decision in April 2013 to publicly list Thymosin Beta 4 as "prohibited", Dank responded: "Well, that must have just only come in this year and I will get someone to speak to ASADA about that. That's just mind-blowing."
ASADA has previously confirmed that Thymosin Beta 4 has been banned since 2011 under a catch-all provision of the doping code.
The circumstantial evidence detailed in the report to build a case that Thymosin Beta 4 was used includes:
■ Witness testimony and documentary evidence, included that provided by fitness adviser and convicted drug offender Shane Charter, regarding his provision of Thymosin Beta 4 to Dank and advice on how to administer it.
■ Player consent forms reflecting Charter's advice to Dank regarding dosages of Thymosin Beta 4.
■ Documents and communications, including invoices, text messages and emails, referring to the use of a Thymosin peptide at Essendon.
Player consent forms, public assertions by Dank, text messages and an admission by Essendon skipper Jobe Watson strongly suggest that AOD9604 was given to players.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-players-given-banned-drugs-20130806-2rdvs.html#ixzz2bCdGSiWL
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Bye bye :lol :lol
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Got to love how McKenzie and Baker in the Age nail Essendon with info leaked from the investigation everytime after Essendon have leaked Bomber-friendly spin ;D.
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:clapping
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Die die die
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Die die die
:clapping
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Got to love how McKenzie and Baker in the Age nail Essendon with info leaked from the investigation everytime after Essendon have leaked Bomber-friendly spin ;D.
Yep it's a bonus no doubt
But it is still disappointing and wrong that the contents of the report are being leaked. Not the way it should be
But despite all that I reckon it is fair to say the EFC is absolutely STUFFED now
No doubt they will fight any penalty handed down by the AFL but that will just be another case of them holding the game, the other clubs and most importantly the fans of the game in utter contempt.
Through this whole sordid saga from when they introduced this "program" to now they have believed they are above the rules of the game, untouchable because they are Essendon.
They are not untouchable. :banghead :banghead
They are in no particular order loathsome, shameful, despicable, untrustworthy, dishonest, abhorrent and replusive (+ plenty more)
If they don't like the penalties then hit them harder, revoke their license, keep hitting them until they get the message
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Give the licence to Tassie. It's the only way. :clapping
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Essendon are in deep trouble but for me the outcome I want is for them to be stripped of draft picks in the next 2 or 3 national drafts as that will hit them terribly. Financially they are a rich club and will pay the fines easily not sure however if there players are outed and the players start suing them how theyd go then but Essendon has money. They wont win the flag this year, I dont want them to lose points this year, I prefer for them to play in the finals and get put out, but for them to have say a 28 point penalty in season 2014 and say 20 point penalty in 2015. That would stuff em good and proper.
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Agree Ramps. Starting on negative points is the way to go. They are still playing for something each week which will keep the broadcasters happy.
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Twitter turd gone
:shh
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n AFLCA spokesperson has confirmed James Hird can be sanctioned under the relevant guidelines for alleged and proven personal use of the WADA banned substance Hexarelin.
In a statement to Bound For Glory News, a spokesperson for the AFL Coaches Association indicated that under Section 3 of the AFL’s Anti-Doping and Illicit Drugs Policy, AFL coaches are listed under ‘Club Officers’ under subsection 3.1 (b).
The spokesperson for the Coaches Association was adamant Hird was bound by the AFL’s Anti-Doping Code.
“As senior coaches, they must adhere to the Rules and Regulations of the AFL. This includes the Anti-Doping and Illicit Drugs Policy, but also Racial and Religious Vilification Policy, Respect and Responsibility Policy and any others as determined by the AFL.”
In April, News Limited reported Hird was injected numerous times with the WADA-banned substance Hexarelin.
Both former Essenon fitness guru Dean Robinson and sports scientist Stephen Dank have claimed on separate occasions that Hird and other Essendon coaching staff were injected with Hexarelin on multiple occasions, although Hird denies the claims.
There have also been claims that invoices for the drug were processed by Essendon, something the club denies.
Hird has denied these claims he was injected with the banned drug.
Hexarelin is listed as a Schedule 2 banned substance by WADA and ASADA. Punishment for use of a Schedule 2 involves a two-year suspension which can be brought down to six months if a number of conditions, including full co-operation by the athlete or coach in question, are met.
The AFL has been contacted for comment.
More to follow.
http://boundforglorynews.com/aflca-hird-can-be-sanctioned-for-alleged-hexarelin-use/
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Essendon are in deep trouble but for me the outcome I want is for them to be stripped of draft picks in the next 2 or 3 national drafts as that will hit them terribly. Financially they are a rich club and will pay the fines easily not sure however if there players are outed and the players start suing them how theyd go then but Essendon has money. They wont win the flag this year, I dont want them to lose points this year, I prefer for them to play in the finals and get put out, but for them to have say a 28 point penalty in season 2014 and say 20 point penalty in 2015. That would stuff em good and proper.
My preference is for them to stripped of thier points this year as they don't deserve to play finals
However, your scenario works for me Ramps. :clapping
Though I am not sure about their finances these days seeing they are building that facility out at the Airport and they didn't get all the funding they wanted from the Govts. So they may have had to go the bank so.......... :whistle
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Twitter turd gone
:shh
Link pls
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I feel sorry for James. He's obviously headed down the wrong path with all these supplements.
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ahh the good old days
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ah at hole has retracted his twitter statements https://twitter.com/rmcahill
lol @ WP edit
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(http://i41.tinypic.com/rrqet1.jpg)
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:clapping :lol
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight said the AFL could move on punishing Essendon as early as tomorrow based on both the Ziggy and ASADA reports.
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Twitter all a buzz with talk that Hird will resign tomorrow morning at 10am
first reported by Mike Sheahan on 3AW and Sky News are reporting it as well
From Twitter:
@gthompson01: #asada #hird #essendon #afl Mike Sheehan has just announced James Hird will resign tomorrow - officially #exclusive @3AW693
@theschibecsta: Mike Sheehan has just announced that James Hird will resign tomorrow. #quiteday @AFL @SENNews @SENfooty
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Was reading the forum dedicated to the issue on BigFooty earlier today and some blokes made some good points. Having trouble fishing it out at the moment so apologies for not being able to provide a link. But it was to do with the wording that Essendon use in all their statements. Like how they said something about "the Essendon board have not asked Hird to stand down" in response to Roo's comments on Monday. Key words 'the board' but not the AFL. More spin than Warne.
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EFC has released a statement on twitter, saying Hird won't be standing down
@justinrodski: Reports @Essendon_FC coach James Hird will stand down are NOT true - I repeat, James Hird is not standing down
Justin Rodski is the EFC media manager
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EFC has released a statement on twitter, saying Hird won't be standing down
@justinrodski: Reports @Essendon_FC coach James Hird will stand down are NOT true - I repeat, James Hird is not standing down
Justin Rodski is the EFC media manager
Can James reinact the final scene from wickerman?
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Must be getting sacked then #standbyhird
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inb4 Justin Rodski is the next scapegoat. Poor bastard. :whistle
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first reported by Mike Sheahan on 3AW and Sky News are reporting it as well
@theschibecsta: Mike Sheehan has just announced that James Hird will resign tomorrow. #quiteday @AFL @SENNews @SENfooty
False report
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ESSENDON expects to be charged by the AFL within days but the Bombers will take on the league if it tries to ban them from the finals.
IN THE GUN AT ESSENDON
James Hird (Coach): Declared on February 5 that he would take “full responsibility’’ for the club’s supplements program. Accused of being injected by Stephen Dank with substances banned for players. Has steadfastly protested his innocence.
Dr Bruce Reid Club doctor: Sent a letter in January 2012 detailing his concerns about the supplements program. The letter never got to the club’s board. Yet to see the ASADA report.
Danny Corcoran Football general manager: Absent for three months in late 2011 and early 2012 after the death of his wife. Took a hands-on role in the football department midway through last season.
LAWYERS AT 10 PACES
With the Essendon supplements scandal reaching its climax the Bombers, and under-fi re coach James Hird, are preparing themselves for a bitter legal and public relations battle, engaging the best minds in the country.
TEAM HIRD
Steven Amendola - Ashurst industrial law expert leading Hird’s defence.
Julian Burnside, QC - renowned human rights lawyer engaged in recent weeks.
Nick Harrington - a barrister friend of Hird who recommended Ashurst.
Ian Hanke - veteran political spin doctor who worked with Amendola on the 1998 waterfront dispute.
TEAM ESSENDON
Jack Rush, QC - St Kilda board member who was counsel assisting the Black Saturday Royal Commission. Hired in recent weeks.
Tony Hargreaves - leading criminal lawyer engaged by the Bombers at the start of the scandal.
The Shannon Company - communications firm with strong Victorian Labor links hired to replace crisis manager Elizabeth Lukin last week.
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT
* AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon decides whether to lay charges against Essendon, its offi cials or players under AFL Player Rules. Rule 1.6.1 reads: “A person must not engage in conduct which is unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the AFL or to bring the game of football into disrepute.''
Rule 1.5A reads: “Either or both the Commission and the General Manager Football Operations shall ... have the power in their discretion ... to impose any sanction on any person contravening the AFL rules and regulations on any terms or conditions seen fit or to otherwise deal with such matter in any manner they in their absolute discretion think fit.''
* If charges are laid, Essendon would be given time to prepare a response, which may include written submissions.
* AFL Commission would hear the charges and Essendon’s defence and would then decide guilt and penalty.
* Penalties could include loss of premiership points, stripping of draft picks and fines.
* Club officials also face sanctions if deemed appropriate by the commission.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-set-for-fight-as-charges-loom/story-fndv8gad-1226693057685
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Essendon captain Jobe Watson seems set to keep his Brownlow Medal despite supplements saga
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-captain-jobe-watson-seems-set-to-keep-his-brownlow-medal-despite-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1226693019078
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Dons need to take a reality check says Caro ...
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-need-to-take-a-reality-check-20130807-2rgup.html
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ASADA report faces legal threats (from Dank)
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/asada-report-faces-legal-threats-20130807-2rgut.html
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Port Adelaide has been given a concrete assurance by the AFL Players' Association that Angus Monfries will escape penalty from Essendon's supplements scandal.
Sam Lonergan has played only two games this year for Richmond and, likewise, has not been told about the likelihood of Essendon punishment.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-reportedly-told-former-bomber-angus-monfries-will-be-free-to-play-come-september/story-fndv8s6g-1226693045751#mm-breached
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From the AFL's own anti-doping code ....
22. CONSEQUENCES TO TEAMS
Where more than one Player from a Club has been notified of a possible Anti Doping Rule Violation in any one season, the Club shall be subject to Target Testing for the remainder of the season. If more than one Player in a Club is found to have committed an Anti Doping Rule Violation during a season, the Club may be subject to sanctions to be determined, in their absolute discretion, by the Commission.
http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Schedule%206%20-%20National%20Anti-Doping%20Code.pdf
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first reported by Mike Sheahan on 3AW and Sky News are reporting it as well
@theschibecsta: Mike Sheehan has just announced that James Hird will resign tomorrow. #quiteday @AFL @SENNews @SENfooty
False report
Yep that's what all Mike's ex HUN colleagues were twittering last night
It was funny stuff
Funniest tweet came from Hutchy when he said it was "A sad day for football journalism" - pot...kettle... ;D ;D
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EFC has released a statement on twitter, saying Hird won't be standing down
@justinrodski: Reports @Essendon_FC coach James Hird will stand down are NOT true - I repeat, James Hird is not standing down
Justin Rodski is the EFC media manager
Can James reinact the final scene from wickerman?
:bow
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EFC has released a statement on twitter, saying Hird won't be standing down
@justinrodski: Reports @Essendon_FC coach James Hird will stand down are NOT true - I repeat, James Hird is not standing down
Justin Rodski is the EFC media manager
Can James reinact the final scene from wickerman?
:bow
:lol And just to rub salt into their wounds, the bombers would receive a hefty air pollution fine from the EPA.
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I reckon he has been asked to step down. But just like they'll contest being removed from the finals, they're contesting Hird losing his job. They would rather further tarnish their brand and ruin footy for everything else than anything untoward happen to their golden flog. Carpe diem baby.
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The AFL Players Association says it cannot guarantee Essendon players will be free to play in the AFL finals, but said it is encouraged by ASADA's interim report.
Players' Association chief executive Matt Finnis refused to assure the future of any Essendon player possibly involved in the supplements program, including former Bomber Angus Monfries.
Finnis also said he had not given any assurances that Monfries, now with Port Adelaide, nor any Essendon player will escape penalty from Essendon's supplements scandal.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-08/afl-offering-no-guarantees-that-essendon-players-will-b-free-fo/4873610
James Hird says he is yet to see a copy of ASADA's 400-page interim report into last year's supplements program at Essendon but is adamant he will not resign from the club.
Hird offered a stern "no" when asked by reporters outside his home on Thursday if he would resign.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-08/hird-yet-to-see-asada-report
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Essendon punished as early as tomorrow: Report
Posted by: 3AW Radio | 8 August, 2013 - 10:19 AM
Essendon is reportedly set to be stripped of premiership points, hit with a massive fine and deprived of crucial draft picks in the wake of the ASADA inquiry into the club's supplements regime.
3AW Breakfast host Ross Stevenson told the Neil Mitchell program this morning a punishment could be handed down by as early as tomorrow.
"It's been very strongly suggested to me that the AFL has determined what Essendon Football Club's penalties are and that the notifications of the penalties might go out as early as tomorrow," Ross Stevenson said.
"It involved fines, loss of premiership points and loss of draft picks.
"I don't know what the situation is relating to any individuals, but that is what has been very strongly suggested to me, and I believe it's true."
Ross Stevenson last week correctly reported the ASADA report would be handed to the AFL last Friday.
He has also reported that the AFL has budgeted for $5 million in legal fees.
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/essendon-punished-as-early-as-tomorrow-report/20130808-2rhnc.html
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Enough points to take them out of Finals contention?
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Enough points to take them out of Finals contention?
If they are going to take away points you'd assume it would be all of the them for season 2014 = all their current points and they get no more points for the rest of the season no matter what their reuslts "ala" Melbourne Storm a few years back
Hit 'em hard AFL, hit them hard ;D
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I reckon he has been asked to step down. But just like they'll contest being removed from the finals, they're contesting Hird losing his job. They would rather further tarnish their brand and ruin footy for everything else than anything untoward happen to their golden flog. Carpe diem baby.
Evans told Mr turd to step down before the game in WA - r5 i think
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Enough points to take them out of Finals contention?
If they are going to take away points you'd assume it would be all of the them for season 2014 = all their current points and they get no more points for the rest of the season no matter what their reuslts "ala" Melbourne Storm a few years back
Hit 'em hard AFL, hit them hard ;D
WP, you think its likely they will be stripped of pts for 2013 and not beyond. i think this is very likely and a farce if it does happen.
Penalty must include 2014 IMV for it to be truly seen as a punishment.
look at what the Blues copped and correct me if im wrong but werent the bombers also rorting the cap so this is a second time offence of bringing the game into disrepute.
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WP, you think its likely they will be stripped of pts for 2013 and not beyond. i think this is very likely and a farce if it does happen.
Penalty must include 2014 IMV for it to be truly seen as a punishment.
look at what the Blues copped and correct me if im wrong but werent the bombers also rorting the cap so this is a second time offence of bringing the game into disrepute.
Firstly, great to see you coming around to the realisation the Bombers are going to cop a whack :thumbsup :thumbsup I always said they would ;D
Salary cap rorting unfortunately is not captured under the wonderful charge of "bringing the game into disrepute". That is a stand alone offence. And yes the bombers were penalised for that before the Blues but because their rorting wasn't to the level of the Blues the punishment was not as severe.
Personally I can only see them getting stripped of their points for this season, not saying it's enough points wise but that's what I reckon will happen.
If you take away the points and that's the only punishment then it definitely isn't harsh enough but seeing they are likely to be fined and stripped of draft picks then punishment becomes harsher.
Any fine impacts on them because they are paying for that facility out at the airport. Coupled with the fact they could well lose sponsors over this and again the punishment becomes harsher. Don't lose sight of the fact of the "indirects" and that will impact on them
For mine it the draft picks that is a key now. Exclude them for say round 1 & 2 of this years draft only then that's weak. The draft side of things must be over at a minimum 2 season and be for both 1st & 2nd round
I think I posted a few weeks back that my penalties would be
- lose all 2013 points
- $2 million fine but I am upping that to $4mil now & it is payable by 31 October to distributed to all clubs (approx $235k ea) for their footy departments to spend
- Excluded from the 1st & 2nd rounds of the 2013 & 2014 National Draft
- Exclusion from the F?A period this year and if any of their players walk their compo picks can only be 3rd or 4th rd picks
- Hird to be suspended from the game for a least 12 months
All of those and I reckon it hits them hard - especially the last one ;D
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#standbyBakerMcKenzie
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WP, you think its likely they will be stripped of pts for 2013 and not beyond. i think this is very likely and a farce if it does happen.
Penalty must include 2014 IMV for it to be truly seen as a punishment.
look at what the Blues copped and correct me if im wrong but werent the bombers also rorting the cap so this is a second time offence of bringing the game into disrepute.
Firstly, great to see you coming around to the realisation the Bombers are going to cop a whack :thumbsup :thumbsup I always said they would ;D
Salary cap rorting unfortunately is not captured under the wonderful charge of "bringing the game into disrepute". That is a stand alone offence. And yes the bombers were penalised for that before the Blues but because their rorting wasn't to the level of the Blues the punishment was not as severe.
Personally I can only see them getting stripped of their points for this season, not saying it's enough points wise but that's what I reckon will happen.
If you take away the points and that's the only punishment then it definitely isn't harsh enough but seeing they are likely to be fined and stripped of draft picks then punishment becomes harsher.
Any fine impacts on them because they are paying for that facility out at the airport. Coupled with the fact they could well lose sponsors over this and again the punishment becomes harsher. Don't lose sight of the fact of the "indirects" and that will impact on them
For mine it the draft picks that is a key now. Exclude them for say round 1 & 2 of this years draft only then that's weak. The draft side of things must be over at a minimum 2 season and be for both 1st & 2nd round
I think I posted a few weeks back that my penalties would be
- lose all 2013 points
- $2 million fine but I am upping that to $4mil now & it is payable by 31 October to distributed to all clubs (approx $235k ea) for their footy departments to spend
- Excluded from the 1st & 2nd rounds of the 2013 & 2014 National Draft
- Exclusion from the F?A period this year and if any of their players walk their compo picks can only be 3rd or 4th rd picks
- Hird to be suspended from the game for a least 12 months
All of those and I reckon it hits them hard - especially the last one ;D
What about their players?
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2 years bans
if its good enough for Travis Casserly and Justin Charles...
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Crash and Burn Essendon ...
Crash and Burn ...
:gotigers
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What about their players?
I wasn't asked about the players I was asked about Essendon which I answered
As for the players I don't believe they will be suspended/banned.
Again not saying I agree with that (I don't) but IMV they will not get banned.
I believe each of them who took the banned stuff (and that isn't all of them from what's been reported) should at a minimum be issued with infraction notices without penalties being imposed. Again IMV that's not good enough but at least if that was to happen their records would show they took banned substances eg ADO - whatever it is...
Personal view is they should all cop a suspension of at least 12-16 weeks (12-16 H&A games) for blatant stupidity and blind faith in going along with this stupid program. There isn't a doubt in my mind that if anyone else had of been coach of the EFC and did this (1) the players would have arked up and said NO and (2) the Club wouldn't have approved it
2 years bans
if its good enough for Travis Casserly and Justin Charles...
Justin Charles got 16 weeks not 2 years
Casserley got what he deserved for the very reason Essendon players should cop bans STUPIDITY
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What about their players?
I wasn't asked about the players I was asked about Essendon which I answered
Can I not ask additional questions or am I to far below you as you are a mod?
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FWIW, I don't reckon the AFL will strip them of points this season. It's a given that if the sanctions include stripping them of 2013 points then the Bummers will immediately lodge an application for a court injunction which will stop the AFL from carrying out the sanctions until the injunction is heard. Knowing the court system, that will take until well after the finals have started and the AFL won't want the controversy and muck up that would be created by having the injunction heard then so I reckon they will take the safer option of preventing them from getting points in 2014 (as well as some draft and financial penalties). Allows time for any court action to play out without any disruption to the playing season. Just my layman's opinion.
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Awesome for the game, that drug cheats are permitted to play, not only the year but finals.
What a smooth operation the afl is.........
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U-054hKzCc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U-054hKzCc)
The AFL, ASADA and Essendone theme song
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Do thinking its a grubby wp?
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Charles only took gear once yo get back from injury - himself
Efx The club systematicly cheated to make people bigger stronger
Killed Richmond too. Like losing maric right now
What about their players?
I wasn't asked about the players I was asked about Essendon which I answered
As for the players I don't believe they will be suspended/banned.
Again not saying I agree with that (I don't) but IMV they will not get banned.
I believe each of them who took the banned stuff (and that isn't all of them from what's been reported) should at a minimum be issued with infraction notices without penalties being imposed. Again IMV that's not good enough but at least if that was to happen their records would show they took banned substances eg ADO - whatever it is...
Personal view is they should all cop a suspension of at least 12-16 weeks (12-16 H&A games) for blatant stupidity and blind faith in going along with this stupid program. There isn't a doubt in my mind that if anyone else had of been coach of the EFC and did this (1) the players would have arked up and said NO and (2) the Club wouldn't have approved it
2 years bans
if its good enough for Travis Casserly and Justin Charles...
Justin Charles got 16 weeks not 2 years
Casserley got what he deserved for the very reason Essendon players should cop bans STUPIDITY
Casserly had bad cold before wafl gf - in danger of missing the game.
What efc have done is a far dirtier deed
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Can I not ask additional questions or am I to far below you as you are a mod?
You can no but need for the condescending snipe though ;D
Sorry I misunderstood you I'm a :wallywink I
I thought you were asking why I hadn't included anything about the players in my first post because you quoted it
Do thinking its a grubby wp?
Yes i do that's why I think the punishment of the Club needs to be far more severe than the punishment of the players. They used the players as guinea pigs and that is far worse.
Charles only took gear once yo get back from injury - himself
Efx The club systematicly cheated to make people bigger stronger
Killed Richmond too. Like losing maric right now
Hold on a minute and I am not defending the EFC but there has been no proof they took PED's to "make people bigger stronger"; banned sunstances yes but PED's we don't know that for sure.
Charles (who I know) took anibolic steriods yes to get over an injury but he took a PED - he copped his right whack
Casserly had bad cold before wafl gf - in danger of missing the game.
Which makes the Casserley situation worse, he took something that every AFL footballer and he is an EX AFL footballer dont forget knows you cannot take. He deserved what he got being so totally stupid and then crying naivety, he was stupid very very stupid
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Alastair Lynch was on roids for "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" and was never questioned.
Is it coincidence he became huge?
What an A$$hole.
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FWIW, I don't reckon the AFL will strip them of points this season. It's a given that if the sanctions include stripping them of 2013 points then the Bummers will immediately lodge an application for a court injunction which will stop the AFL from carrying out the sanctions until the injunction is heard. Knowing the court system, that will take until well after the finals have started and the AFL won't want the controversy and muck up that would be created by having the injunction heard then so I reckon they will take the safer option of preventing them from getting points in 2014 (as well as some draft and financial penalties). Allows time for any court action to play out without any disruption to the playing season. Just my layman's opinion.
Agree they could challenge but not if they do a deal like Melb did who's is possible too
Supposedly Demons were going to take them to court if they were found guilty of "tanking". Dees were fined for something but not tanking. ::)
If I was the AFL I'd be saying you take us to court we will revoke your license ;D
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Alastair Lynch was on roids for "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" and was never questioned.
Is it coincidence he became huge?
What an A$$hole.
Not correct (•))(©™ , Lynch did face the tribunal after he admitted that one of the meds he was on for CFS contained a banned substance.
Granted he got off without suspension but he certainly faced the tribunal was fond guilty just no penalty
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Geez Bents how many times do you have to told no posting unsubstantiated rumours :banghead :banghead
You named 3 players, 2 of which there is no proof regarding what you posted
:banghead :banghead :banghead
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Geez Bents how many times do you have to told no posting unsubstantiated rumours :banghead :banghead
You named 3 players, 2 of which there is no proof regarding what you posted
:banghead :banghead :banghead
wtf?
i was admiring the greatness of the lions 3 tall pronged forward line
governance failures @ you WP :banghead :banghead
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I always post unsubstantiated poo on my FB page.
Screw 'em
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VI AG RA
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wtf?
i was admiring the greatness of the lions 3 tall pronged forward line
governance failures @ you WP :banghead :banghead
Really? Admiring? Is that why you quoted Brackets post about Lynch and his drug case
::)
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This is getting beyond a joke...its becoming worse than the kennedy assassination.i think we need a new Warren enquiry,maybe call this one the Caro enquiry
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really
why would bradshaw or brown take drugs ::)
you dont have to say sorry wp, i forgive you.
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Bet fair don spoon :shh
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Q. What's the collective noun for a group of drug cheats?
A. A Hird ;D
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Adof Hirdler :bow
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Was just reading the story about Essendon erecting a temporary fence at Windy Hill.
I can see some problems.
The Windy Hill carpark is a council reserve. Therefore under City of Moonee Valley Local Law 9.1 (e), Essendon must apply for a permit to erect a temporary structure on a council reserve. In the Age video, I didn't see any visible signs of a permit being displayed.
Penalty: Twenty (20) penalty units
If they have not obtained a permit, they are in trouble because they have also breached LL 39 which is the requirement to give the council 7 days notice that building works are to commence.
Penalty: Twenty (20) penalty units
Also, if there is no permit, they are breaching Local Law 44.1(b) which is leaving obstructions on public land that impedes public access.
Penalty: Twenty (20) penalty units
It also looks like there are problems with the Australian Standards for Temporary Fencing.
I can see issues with site safety; base plate installation is on uneven ground, and I doubt that fencing would pass a wind test. Someone should tell Workcover.
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Q. What's the collective noun for a group of drug cheats?
A. A Hird ;D
Yeesssssss :clapping
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Barrett on the Footy Show:
* Essendon decision - early next week.
* Finnis has told the Essendon players he can offer no guarantees.
* John Fahey (head of WADA) - happy with ASADA going down the interim report path even if it's not the usual path. Said this could drag on for months. Essendon will have two weeks to respond under the natural justice clause.
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Natural justice
Almost like a term a human rights lawyer would use :thumbsup
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Essendon drugs probe: AFLPA's fury at Bombers
Caroline Wilson
The Age
August 9, 2013
The AFL Players Association on Thursday left Essendon's senior list in no doubt as to their grave disappointment in senior football staffers it believes failed its players.
While union chief Matt Finnis stopped short of threatening separate legal action at this stage against the club, he added "he had not closed the door" on that option.
Those staffers are understood to include football operations boss Danny Corcoran and coach James Hird, although the AFLPA was careful not to name names at Thursday's address to the players.
Fairfax Media has learnt that several Bombers players were left sobered by the meeting at the club with Finnis and his legal team.
The players' union's lawyer Brett Murphy and long-time legal adviser Bernie Shinners pointed out to the Essendon senior list that key senior personnel who helped oversee the "invidious" injecting regime had not all left the club.
It also emerged on Thursday that the AFL and ASADA were continuing to delve into the varying versions of events given in evidence by former high-performance boss Dean Robinson compared with those given by Hird and Corcoran.
AFL investigator Abraham Haddad, along with ASADA officials, on Thursday spent more than four hours with Robinson seeking context to some of the thousands of text messages he provided in evidence. It is not known whether Hird has agreed to provide all his telephone records dating back to late 2011, when Robinson and Stephen Dank joined the club.
Both ASADA and the AFL are still attempting to get to the truth of Robinson's claim that Hird spoke to him from overseas about a meeting with a New York doctor and a testosterone cream he recommended. Hird's evidence is understood to include an admission he spoke with a New York-based pharmacist regarding a cream that was never used by the Bombers.
The joint investigators were also told in evidence that Corcoran knew Dank was being investigated by ASADA when he joined the club. It is not known whether Corcoran has corroborated that claim.
It is also understood that no assistant coaches or staffers testified they had seen Hird injected by Dank, with Robinson claiming last week on Channel Seven that he had seen Hird injected only once. Hird's camp has claimed he was injected twice by Dank.
Finnis confirmed on Thursday night he had told the Essendon players there were ''no guarantees'' they would not receive infraction notices despite Essendon chairman Paul Little indicating in a letter to members on Wednesday that he remained ''confident'' his players had not taken performance-enhancing drugs. Little will address the player again on Friday.
''The report is interim but it is incredibly concerning,'' said Finnis, ''and paints a poor picture of the workplace these guys were working in and we don't think any players should be put in that position.
''We've told them [the players] there are no guarantees. It is an interim report - really a compilation of all the evidence and we've said they should not seek to be more optimistic as a result or more dour.''
The AFLPA chief, whose lawyers received the ASADA summary on Wednesday night, refused to divulge details of the conversation his legal team held with the Essendon footballers but confirmed he remained hopeful but not assured the players would escape sanctions.
AFL chief Andrew Demetriou continued to deny suggestions that his team had already set the wheels in motion to remove points and draft picks and also denied reports that the commission had scheduled a special meeting on Monday.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-drugs-probe-aflpas-fury-at-bombers-20130808-2rksp.html#ixzz2bNr5ebSc
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:clapping
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Q. What's the collective noun for a group of drug cheats?
A. A Hird ;D
Yeesssssss :clapping
:clapping
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The chief football writer of the hun has just tweeted
"Meeting at windy hill Armageddon looming"
https://mobile.twitter.com/Robbo_heraldsun
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Mark Robinson @Robbo_heraldsun 1h
meeting at windy hill tonight. Armageddon looming...
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Bombers set for fight as charges loom http://j.mp/14jtXxT #afl
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Grant Payne @payney73 7 Aug
@Robbo_heraldsun But still nothing from Demetriou about beer prices at AFL venues after US fact finding mission.
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Justin Rodski @justinrodski 7 Aug
Reports @Essendon_FC coach James Hird will stand down are NOT true - I repeat, James Hird is not standing down
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Essendon players' long-term health to be monitored ...
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/players-longterm-health-to-be-monitored-20130808-2rkyb.html
Supplements used by Essendon players may have come to the attention of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority before this year's investigation was launched, even though no player tested positive to any banned substances.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/test-forms-may-have-raised-issue-20130808-2rksr.html#ixzz2bP4Y4TBT
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The chief football writer of the hun has just tweeted
"Meeting at windy hill Armageddon looming"
https://mobile.twitter.com/Robbo_heraldsun
The meeting to occur at 12.10pm according to Robbo.
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Another day, another WHACK from Caro :clapping :clapping
Lovign her work on this
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Hopefully its all announced today, Hird is sacked and the weekend will be off to a cracking start :clapping
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No deal done with Bombers: Demetriou
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-09/no-deal-done-with-bombers-demetriou
AFL boss Andrew Demetriou says league is yet to decide on penalties for Essendon
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-boss-andrew-demetriou-says-league-is-yet-to-decide-on-penalties-for-essendon/story-fndv8gad-1226693999465
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According to ABC Radio, Essendon have been given two choices by the AFL in regards to punishment
Loss of points for this year
or
Resignation of Hird, Thompson, Corcoran and Reid
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2013/08/bst_20130809_0625.mp3
grubby
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According to ABC Radio, Essendon have been given two choices by the AFL in regards to punishment
Loss of points for this year
or
Resignation of Hird, Thompson, Corcoran and Reid
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2013/08/bst_20130809_0625.mp3
grubby
:jump :dancing
If true that is hilarious
if it's about "protecting the players" then they take option 2 wouldn't they
If it's about protecting the golden haired one then they take option 1
If it's about the integrity of the comp thenthe AFL whack them with both ;D
:rollin :lol
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(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2010/04/01/1225848/729234-plucka-duck-in-perth.jpg)
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(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2010/04/01/1225848/729234-plucka-duck-in-perth.jpg)
Always preferred "Chook Lotto" myself :thumbsup
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vlad: Baldrick, I have a very, very, very cunning plan.
Gillon: Is it as cunning as a fox what used to be Professor of Cunning at Oxford University but has moved on and is now working for the U.N. at the High Commission of International Cunning Planning?
Vlad: Yes it is.
Gillon: Hmm... that's cunnin
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;D
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Q. What's the collective noun for a group of drug cheats?
A. A Hird ;D
Yeesssssss :clapping
:lol Yesssssss Bigman :clapping
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Big Dwainski is back!
Yessssssssss! :clapping
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ASADA doping report will not be made public ...
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/doping-report-will-not-be-made-public/story-fndv8gad-1226694522477
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Expect Essendon to be charged early next week. For the AFL, that's just in the nick of time, as the finals deadline beckons.
Essendon must be allowed time to mount a defence in what is a complex matter. If a charge of bringing the game into disrepute lands on Monday, this would give the club exactly a fortnight before the next AFL Commission meeting - the anticipated time for hearing the case - on Monday, August 26.
This would be just four days before the final Friday night game of the home-and-away season. That is cutting it fine, in terms of protecting the ''integrity'' of the 2013 finals - one of the objectives the AFL outlined in dealing with the Essendon case, although Andrew Demetriou also suggested this week that a pre-finals outcome was a wish, rather than an absolute necessity. The AFL boss could see the sand disappearing down the finals hourglass.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-to-be-charged-next-week-20130809-2rnk8.html#ixzz2bUQSH100
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The doctor who didn't Reid the play
Caroline Wilson
The Age
August 10, 2013
The role played by Essendon's veteran club doctor, Bruce Reid, in the risky drugs program of 2012 remains an intriguing element of the unprecedented AFL scandal.
For decades Reid has been a revered and beloved figure at Windy Hill and, long before this supplements saga, one of the best-known doctors in the game. Now Doc Reid carries that fame for reasons he must wish did not exist.
For the truth is Dr Bruce Reid has not emerged well from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority summary handed to Essendon last weekend. His own legal team is understood to have received a copy of the report on Wednesday and he continues to remain silent on the role he played in the shameful episode.
There is no suggestion that Reid set out to administer banned substances to his players, or even that he played any meaningful role in implementing the high-risk and potentially dangerous program. Like so many club doctors, he works at Essendon on a part-time basis. But clearly he did not do enough to stop it.
Reid approved the use of the World Anti-Doping Agency-banned AOD-9604. He clearly did not delve deeply enough into the S0 category under which the drug is banned - being not fit for therapeutic use - and appears unable to provide the written proof the club claimed it received from ASADA about the substance.
Jobe Watson declared he took what was believed to be the drug after it was approved by Reid. Every AFL player is told that every substance they take must be approved by the club doctor and that rule has underpinned the Essendon players' defence.
The evidence delivered to ASADA and the AFL paints in part a picture of a doctor battling to keep up with sports science, investigating substances he was unaware of and battling at times an impatient high-performance and coaching staff.
ASADA was told that coach James Hird allegedly became impatient with Reid's lengthy time delays in approving substances administered to players. Reid told the joint investigators he was muscled out of his position of influence by the high-performance team led by Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson and had little knowledge of more dubious elements of the program.
When the club received the now notorious Hypermed bill for more than $60,000, Reid was one of several in charge who had no idea the club was paying for the hyperbaric treatment and supplementary injections over a four-month period. He believed the treatments were being done free for promotional purposes.
The matter of Reid's letter written in January 2012, handed to former football boss Paul Hamilton and intended for the Essendon board, which noted the doctor's reservations with the program, is also intriguing.
The letter was allegedly written after and not before the email correspondence between Robinson and Hird in which both men underlined the importance of player welfare and WADA compliance, but either way Reid has never explained why he did not adequately follow up his concerns.
The board had no knowledge of the letter and yet Reid's friendship with former chairman David Evans was so close and their shared history so strong that several meetings leading to the appointment of Hird were held in Reid's medical rooms. Reid and Hird also have a relationship that borders on the familial and the doctor was an integral part of their inner sanctum when Hird returned to coach the club.
Clearly Reid's faith in Hird, which continues to this day, can in part explain why he did not act earlier or more strongly in preventing the program, which still leaves the players facing bans under the anti-doping codes and the club and key individuals facing unprecedented sanctions from the AFL. The AFL Players Association also harbours misgivings about the lack of welfare and safety at Essendon last year.
This must be a heavy burden for Reid to carry. Most key witnesses have refused to take significant responsibility for the ''pharmacologically experimental environment'' at Essendon and it remains uncertain whether Reid has put his hand up for not doing enough to prevent it.
There were mitigating circumstances, but the inescapable conclusion is that the club doctor - while not shouldering all the blame - must shoulder some.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-doctor-who-didnt-reid-the-play-20130809-2rnkc.html#ixzz2bUQl3QFr
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Doctor Death
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And Nurse Nurofen to his right
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And Nurse Nurofen to his right
Yessssssssssssssssss big Dooks :lol
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Ch 7 news tonight claimed Hird, Reid and Corcoran would likely be charged with conduct unbecoming or prejudicial to the interests of the AFL while Essendon will keep its points but cop a massive fine and lose draft picks.
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AFL charges looming for James Hird
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/afl-charges-looming-for-james-hird/story-e6frfkp9-1226694573017#ixzz2bZEqd8as
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James Hird says Bombers have a 'right' to play finals
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-says-bombers-have-a-right-to-play-finals-20130810-2rog3.html#ixzz2bZEVrXVJ
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Egotists and sycophants hurtling to an end
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/egotists-and-sycophants-hurtling-to-an-end/story-e6frfkp9-1226694571576
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The perception of self entitlement is amongst the most beautiful and entertaining things to watch disintegrate before ones eyes
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Great result that they keep points. Now just need to win our last 3 and finish 5th so we get Port week 1 of finals. :clapping
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Essendon looks to save early draft picks amid drugs crisis
Jay Clark
From: Herald Sun
August 10, 2013 10:00PM
THE fate of Essendon's early draft picks has become a key battleground in the club's attempts to keep James Hird's coaching career and this year's finals hopes alive.
Essendon remains adamant it did not inject players with banned substances. But the club is likely to face charges of bringing the game into disrepute by the AFL tomorrow or Tuesday for its questionable supplements program.
The Herald Sun can also reveal Bombers' midfielder Brendon Goddard made a series of telephone calls to teammates on Wednesday night to rally flagging morale.
Essendon great Matthew Lloyd said yesterday players told him the mood at Windy Hill was "as flat as it has been and it is getting worse and worse as the weeks roll on".
Hird is not prepared to stand down. Yesterday he was adamant the Bombers should be allowed to play finals.
"We are playing tomorrow, the next week, the next week and the next week because we believe we have a right to play in the finals," Hird said.
"We believe that, so we are not doing all this training that we've been doing over the past six months, we are not risking our players' bodies by going out and playing every weekend for no reason.
"So we believe we have got a right to be there."
It is understood the club would be prepared to fight for Hird and club doctor Bruce Reid in court, potentially dragging out the drugs crisis for years.
But there is also a strong belief at Windy Hill that protecting Essendon's draft picks for the next two years to help build its midfield is equally, if not more, important than competing in this year's finals race.
The loss of premiership points this year could yet provide the club with a clean slate next season. The loss of draft picks for one or more seasons would have a longer-lasting affect.
The AFL has denied it had already determined Essendon's penalty ahead of its next commission meeting on August 26.
But it is believed the club and league representatives are in talks about the legal process that could influence the outcome.
The club will be given time - likely to be 14 days - to respond to any charges.
When asked if he was being told if he was likely to face charges, Hird said: "That's an interesting question that I'd prefer not to answer right now."
Essendon was stripped of its first two picks in 1999 because of a salary cap breach, costing it the chance to secure 200-gamers such as Brad Green (No.19) and Cameron Ling (No.38).
The club's first selection that year was ruckman David Hille (No.40). Then assistant coach, Robert Shaw, said the loss of draft picks would sting the club when midfield stars such as Jobe Watson and Goddard retired.
"This is still an emerging side, the age dynamics are good, so you couldn't see something like that impacting in the short term," Shaw said.
"Where it does start to hurt is four or five years down the track when they are looking at replacing players who are the core of the group and 28 years old.
"Then (Jobe) Watson will be gone, Goddard will be gone, (Brent) Stanton is 27, so it would impact in the longer term, no doubt about that."
Lloyd said the club would look at trading an in-demand forward such as Stewart Crameri or Scott Gumbleton to help make up for any draft pick losses this year.
"If you are out of the draft altogether, you may need to trade someone of that ilk to get the midfield you want," Lloyd said on 3AW.
"You lose draft selections, I think the hurt hits you pretty much straightaway."
He said Essendon's legal battles were affecting its performance. The club has lost its past two games, seriously jeopardising its top-four hopes, with three games left before finals.
The Bombers, who began the round in fifth place, meet West Coast today at Etihad Stadium.
"There was hardly any preparation for Collingwood (last week) because the Dean Robinson interview happened (and) there were more meetings with lawyers than there actually were about football," Lloyd said.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-looks-to-save-early-draft-picks-amid-drugs-crisis/story-fndv8gad-1226694829090
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:banghead
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criminal: "hello judge im just murdered four people"
judge: "very good, as you punishment you can have option A, B or C
criminal: "hmmm, im not sure if i like any of those, can we negotiate a bit?"
judge: "yes of course, what kind of 'punishment' would be less annoying for you
:huh
I am in bizarro world FFS :banghead
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for me them losing draft picks is the key penalty we must hope they cop.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-must-act-to-restore-public-trust-in-sport-20130810-2rp5w.html
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Looking for the following to happen;
- Andy D to get the rs
- Bombers to be smashed in penalties
- Jeff the Goose to be retired into a hole
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In all this the bit I don't get is that the Dons are allegedly planning a legal defence against any penalties.How is this possible when supposedly the AFL will base any penalties in part on the Ziggy report which Essendon themselves set up .
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Cause
A delusion
B arrogant
C little $800million
D they want to buy time play finals
Regardless of the crimes they seem to think if you put it under thee umbrella of 'government issues' everyone will think its OK.
Holocause was a government issue wasn't it?
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...plements-program/story-fni5f6kv-1226695031889
ESSNDON chairman Paul Little insists no Essendon player took a performance-enhancing or harmful substance and says he is looking forward to the chance to "set the record straight".
:facepalm
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We have not seen the report,for all we know maybe it clears the dons
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PED said he was injected AOD is PED
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Bents..i see your point and what I read all points to the contrary of what the Dons are saying ,but listening to little and hird they seem absolutely convinced they will be vindicated, surely they have read the report by now
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...plements-program/story-fni5f6kv-1226695031889
ESSNDON chairman Paul Little insists no Essendon player took a performance-enhancing or harmful substance and says he is looking forward to the chance to "set the record straight".
:facepalm
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lol this reminds me of an episode from "yes primeminister" where to bury an issue committees are set up that will report back in the fullness of time .
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listening to little and hird they seem absolutely convinced they will be vindicated, surely they have read the report by now
We have not seen the report,for all we know maybe it clears the dons
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-08-11/dons-chairman-speaks
:santa
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Bents..i see your point and what I read all points to the contrary of what the Dons are saying ,but listening to little and hird they seem absolutely convinced they will be vindicated, surely they have read the report by now
I dunno, its pretty long and they couldn't even take the time to search if AOD was illegal or not
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Most blokes in jail for murder never did it, either....
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Brenton Sanderson Says he's hopeful of finishing ninth so they'll be able to play finals -_-
Brad Scott and Mick had similar sentiments
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Welcome to bizarro world
James Hird's legal team will call for Andrew Demetriou to be removed from future AFL Commission deliberations on any charges against the Essendon coach, believing the league boss has a conflict of interest in the case.
If, as expected, charges against the Bombers and the club's coach are made this week, Hird's legal team has already decided it will formally object to Demetriou sitting in judgment of the scandal that has tainted the season.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetriou-conflicted-20130811-2rq9o.html
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:facepalm
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The allies are at the bunker door folks....
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Welcome to bizarro world
James Hird's legal team will call for Andrew Demetriou to be removed from future AFL Commission deliberations on any charges against the Essendon coach, believing the league boss has a conflict of interest in the case.
If, as expected, charges against the Bombers and the club's coach are made this week, Hird's legal team has already decided it will formally object to Demetriou sitting in judgment of the scandal that has tainted the season.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/demetriou-conflicted-20130811-2rq9o.html
What a complete waste of time and money :scream
Straws.Clutching.
Like, as if without Demetriou the verdict would be any different.LMAO
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ESSENDON expects to be charged by the AFL today or tomorrow for governance issues arising from a 12-month period of supplements scandals.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/d-day-looms-on-charges-for-bombers/story-fnca0u4y-1226695161033
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THE complex nature of the Essendon drugs saga may become slightly clearer today or tomorrow when the AFL announces its charges against the club and individuals, including coach James Hird.
We say "slightly" because after several days of talks with AFL representatives, the Bombers have yet to yield on the league's demands.
The AFL, the Herald Sun has been told, wants the Big Mac: premiership points, personnel, draft picks and a fine.
But there's also a belief the AFL would forsake premiership points if Hird resigned. The AFL has denied this.
If it's true, that means it's a choice for Essendon between Hird and the players.
The Bombers won't sell Hird down the river because they are hellbent on protecting their points and their personnel.
Hird is almost certain to be charged, as will club doctor Bruce Reid and head of football Danny Corcoran, with conduct unbecoming or prejudicial to the interests of the AFL, in that they failed properly to govern and administer the club's supplements program in 2012.
Hird will fight any charge.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-rejects-afl-demands-as-drug-saga-reaches-its-climax/story-fnelctok-1226695118390
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Players still in ASADA sights
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/players-still-in-asada-sights-20130811-2rq9t.html
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THE sporting community and the media have indulged Stephen Dank long enough. It is time the sports scientist, at the heart of investigations in the two biggest football codes in the country, stated his case.
And not in selective interviews here and there. Not in door stops, not in coded conversations with journalists. Not opening the door of his car, the gate to his house. Time to front ASADA and tell the nation what actually happened at the football clubs where he has been employed.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/no-more-nods-and-winks-its-time-for-wounded-dank-to-tell-his-story/story-e6frfkp9-1226695163549#ixzz2bgHSKpkW
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The AFL, the Herald Sun has been told, wants the Big Mac: premiership points, personnel, draft picks and a fine.
But there's also a belief the AFL would forsake premiership points if Hird resigned. The AFL has denied this.
If it's true, that means it's a choice for Essendon between Hird and the players.The Bombers won't sell Hird down the river because they are hellbent on protecting their points and their personnel.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-rejects-afl-demands-as-drug-saga-reaches-its-climax/story-fnelctok-1226695118390
Club clearly cares more about Jimmy than it does its players, easy choice for mine
And BTW doesn't Jimmy have choice too? He could if he had an ounce of decency do the right thing for his club and players (you know the club and players he supposedly "loves") and quit
Oops silly me.............. :banghead Jimmy only cares about Jimmy
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How does Hird plan to fight 'any' charge, considering:-
- The specifics of charges are not known to him and have not been decided yet
- he said at the February press conference he would take full responsibility
Unless hes not a man of his word? :whistle
Who would have thought.
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The more I think about it and because I am a compassionate soul
I could almost live with them keeping their points, getting smashed again in the first week of the finals if it means Jimmy gets rubbed out of the game for 2 years ;D
He refuses to take responsibility then force responsilbilty on him with the harshest supsension :clapping
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what a croc wp
its the club that has cheated
not punishing the club - points, picks, $$ etc., bans etc. would be distressful
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Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
source (for you WP) - the holy book
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what a croc wp
its the club that has cheated
not punishing the club - points, picks, $$ etc., bans etc. would be distressful
Does this ;D not mean anything to you Bents?
Being sarcastic and doing a bit of this :fishing
:eyebrow :eyebrow :highfive
And BTW what does "distressful" mean? Or did you mean disgraceful ;D
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distasteful
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distasteful
Agree
Reckon we will know what the charges are by this time tomorrow
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Hearing a lot from Bummer fans on how this Media drummed up thing has shot their season.
Thing I can't understand is that at least for the last two seasons Essendon always shoot out from the blocks and fall in a big heap mid season.
Nothing has changed this year except their form lasted for longer probably cause they were juiced up.
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Regardless of the end result, ASADAs findings, AFLs sanctions etc.
The bummers will always & forever be viewed by everyone (except their own supporters) as drug cheats.
Just as Melbourne are viewed as tanking cheats & pathetic, just as Whorethorn are viewed as a wannabe big club & a bunch of out of the closet poofs, just as the Filth are viewed as toothless drunken centrelink abusers, just as the Carlscum cheats are viewed as Scum cheats etc. etc. etc.
No outcome will ever change our opinion of Essendank now or that of the golden boy Hird.
He wanted the club to be cutting edge, whatever it takes to win philosophy, his greed and I can do no wrong delusion has been and will be the clubs downfall. The bummer fans are blinded by his football feats and can only see the glow of his halo.
Facts are that under Matthew Knights, who they hated with passion, they made finals clean and with their reputation intact. Throwing Knights under the bus for their would be savior that has turned out for them to be a wolf in sheeps clothing. Their self appointed messiah revelling in all his glory as an angel of light has in one foul swoop ruined the clubs most prized asset....A good/honest reputation.
Essendrugs they forever will be.
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Regardless of the end result, ASADAs findings, AFLs sanctions etc.
The bummers will always & forever be viewed by everyone (except their own supporters) as drug cheats.
Just as Melbourne are viewed as tanking cheats & pathetic, just as Whorethorn are viewed as a wannabe big club & a bunch of out of the closet sissys, just as the Filth are viewed as toothless drunken centrelink abusers, just as the Carlscum cheats are viewed as Scum cheats etc. etc. etc.
:cheers
This is what I've been saying all along. Their brand is tarnished. If you jump onto the AFL Facebook page or something and look at all the Bomber turds carry on about people calling them drug cheats when there has been no proof yada yada yada, it just goes to show how long they've been media darlings for and can't handle bad press. They're the first to dish it out to everyone else but now it's their turn. They could (just being hypothetical) come out of this clean but they'll always be the drug cheats :clapping
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Hearing a lot from Bummer fans on how this Media drummed up thing has shot their season.
Thing I can't understand is that at least for the last two seasons Essendon always shoot out from the blocks and fall in a big heap mid season.
Nothing has changed this year except their form lasted for longer probably cause they were juiced up.
Long history of bleating. I assume you are not surprised by such attitude?
bleating present participle of bleat (Verb)
Verb
(of a sheep, goat, or calf) Make a characteristic wavering cry: "the lamb was bleating weakly".
Speak or complain in a weak, querulous, or foolish way: "he bleated incoherently about the report."
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AFL Press Conference @ 7PM Tonight (CH10 News)
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AFL Press Conference @ 7PM Tonight (CH10 News)
Ch7 just reported that NO charges will be announced tonight, will be tomorrow
Can't wait :rollin
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This is becoming ridiculous
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is becoming??
bit late for that.
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Ch 9 had Dank offering Essendon assistance if charges are laid against the Bombers.
Didn't Essendon tell us that Dank was part of a rogue element?! ::)
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Ch 9 had Dank offering Essendon assistance if charges are laid against the Bombers.
Didn't Essendon tell us that Dank was part of a rogue element?! ::)
It's like Me Baldy offering the silver gun rapist a character reference
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AFL Press Conference @ 7PM Tonight (CH10 News)
How did the press conference go Bents?
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9.00am tomorrow is d-day
Charges to announced
From twitter:
@EssendonFCNews: The AFL have just announced that charges will be laid against the essendon football club @ 9am tomorrow morning. Fingers crossed, stay tuned
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WP you think the dons will take this further or will they accept the charges and roll over?
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WP you think the dons will take this further or will they accept the charges and roll over?
Reckon they will fight it, they have to save Jimmy that seems to be there only concern
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so Jimmy is more important than EFC or is jimmy and EFC one of the same?
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WP you think the dons will take this further or will they accept the charges and roll over?
Reckon they will fight it, they have to save Jimmy that seems to be there only concern
Clearly they don't care about the players
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9am...
Circus
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so Jimmy is more important than EFC or is jimmy and EFC one of the same?
Both
Jimmy clearly believes he is the EFC and the EFC has when it comes to Jimmy a messiah complex, he is the chosen one and they seem he'll bent on saving him especially since Evans quit
WP you think the dons will take this further or will they accept the charges and roll over?
Reckon they will fight it, they have to save Jimmy that seems to be there only concern
Clearly they don't care about the players
Clearly, they haven't cared about the players since this saga started
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Oh Caro my queen
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Get probed already. 6 months of foreplay, bring on the reaming.
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Oh Caro my queen
:clapping :clapping :clapping
Loving her work ;D
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Why is Evans allowed out of Australia
Jail ffs
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Lloyd threatening Caro
I worry for you
Lol flog
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Why is Evans allowed out of Australia
Jail ffs
Jail? What for? Stupidity?
He hasn't broken any laws
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Waiting for it to start at 1030 ::) stop changing the fucing startin time mofo's :banghead
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Watching the Essendon Football Club and James Hird cling so desperately to the last vestiges of their eroding and scandal-torn season would be sad if it was not so shameful.
Listening to the Hird camp's repeated and pathetic attempts to hold the AFL accountable for the revelation of the invidious program the coach helped create and failed to control has become tedious and irrelevant.
And witnessing an internationally respected businessman such as Paul Little speak so ill-advisedly before Sunday's capitulation to West Coast shows how this great game and the aura surrounding its heroes - like Hird - can cloud the clearest of minds.
Perhaps Little was being clever when he declared at Essendon's pre-match function that ''we remain steadfast in our belief that the players did not take harmful or performance-enhancing substances''. Because the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority report found evidence that illegal substances were given to the players - at least one of which was performance-enhancing.
'We hope … this will mean for the first time we are uninhibited in our ability to set the record straight,'' Little said.
This sounds achingly similar to the stand Adelaide took last year before the AFL fined the club, stripped it of draft picks and suspended key executives. And then, suddenly, Adelaide accepted the punishments and was not prepared to submit itself to hard questions.
Little appears convinced that if the club made mistakes it did so without intent and therefore should fight.
It just seems baffling though that anyone who has read the ASADA summary along with the Switkowski report and has taken on board the views of the players' union should remain so publicly unrepentant.
At any rate, nothing has prevented Essendon from setting the record straight. Former players, ranging from Tim Watson to Mark McVeigh, have been briefed and spoken publicly often yet said nothing which excuses what Essendon allowed to happen to the young men it should have cared for better.
Indeed, Hird for months now has selectively been leaking his increasingly irrelevant and unconvincing side of the story and yet been unable to explain the email and text message trail along with mounting anecdotal evidence linking his name to the pharmacologically experimental program which Essendon tried to keep secret.
For someone who read the play so beautifully as a player he has read this one so badly. We said this in April and we say it again: Hird still doesn't get it.
Had he stepped aside and worked willingly behind the scenes to salvage his reputation and his career while Essendon moved relatively unfettered through 2013 with its players the primary focus, this quagmire could have been avoided. The narrative of this dirtied season could have been a little cleaner.
He is still trying to hold the AFL accountable for exposing the scandal he helped create, never mind it won't excuse him and never mind he betrayed and ultimately ended the tenure of his great friend David Evans in doing so. Does he truly think that removing Andrew Demetriou from the judicial process will save him?
Hird's spin doctor Ian Hanke used the Essendon letterhead to deny the AFL had warned him in late 2011 against the use of peptides. Even though it was true.
He employed Stephen Dank a month or so after that warning and then, early the following year, looked with Evans at investing in AOD-9604. Interestingly, Hird told the joint investigation that he attended the drug presentation at Evans' bidding, while Evans says he went at Hird's behest.
But then Hird is not alone in failing to put his hand up, according to the ASADA summary.
In the end he emerges from it poorly but no worse than Dean Robinson, with Danny Corcoran, Dr Bruce Reid and even Mark Thompson also culpable because they failed to stop this dreadful systematic drugs program instigated by Dank.
As Essendon vows to fight against some of the proposed AFL sanctions, there is no doubt the club, among other punishments, will be handed a hefty fine. Some say a multimillion-dollar fine would be meaningless, but not if the AFL divided up the money and distributed it to the other 17 clubs whose seasons Essendon has tarnished.
And Hird? His reputation has been further hurt by his ill-advised strategy and internally even some football department staffers and at least two board members have lost some faith in him.
''It's been the toughest year that any group of footballers could ever imagine,'' Hird said on Sunday evening, ''and the toughest that any group of footballers has had to deal with, and they have been terrific.''
This is so true, but how disappointing the coach could not back up those compassionate words with his own behaviour last year when he failed to show adequate concern for those players.
How devastating that the hero who returned to save Essendon has instead allowed it to be dragged down so low.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/words-of-defiance-baffling-20130812-2rsii.html#ixzz2bl9dh9oS
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Gonna wake up with morning wood
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Gonna wake up with morning wood
don't roll out of bed :shh
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Why is Evans allowed out of Australia
Jail ffs
Jail? What for? Stupidity?
He hasn't broken any laws
I think yol find from work safe and medical law
Undocumented multi mass injection lab rat program
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Stephen Dank says it would be ‘ludicrous' if Essendon staff are charged by the AFL
Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
August 12, 2013 10:00PM
STEPHEN Dank said it would be "ludicrous" if James Hird, Dr Bruce Reid and Danny Corcoran were charged by the AFL for conduct unbecoming.
The key Essendon trio is in the sights of the AFL and have been told they can expect to be charged, along with the club, over last year's supplements program run by sports scientist Dank and former high-performance manager Dean Robinson.
But Dank claims the coach, the club doctor and the head of football did everything to ensure the health and safety of the players throughout a supplements program Dank admitted was "cutting edge".
"They've done nothing disreputable, they've done nothing contrary to the WADA prohibited list, they only endeavoured to take Essendon on a cutting-edge program, a program I might add that wasn't pharmacologically experimental, might I add was far from exotic and might I say at all times had the players' welfare and wellbeing as its first and foremost consideration."
He described as "bullcrap" any suggestion Hird, Reid or Corcoran failed in their duty of care.
"The care of Reid and Hird on the players was paramount and always at the foremost of their consideration ," Dank said.
Asked if they should be charged, he said: "No. It's ludicrous."
Dank stressed, despite his sudden departure from the club last year and the ensuing scandal, that he loved working with the Bombers.
On Monday night he offered to help any individual charged by the AFL.
The man central to the drugs scandal is yet to speak to anti-doping authorities, and likely won't as he prepares promised legal action against ASADA and the AFL.
Dank's stance flies in the face of Ziggy Switkowski's Essendon-commissioned report into the management and governance of the supplements program.
Switkowski wrote of: " ... the rapid diversification into exotic supplements, sharp increase in frequency of injections, the shift to treatment off-site in alternative medicine clinics, emergence of unfamiliar suppliers, marginalisation of traditional medical staff ... combine(d) to create a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented within the club in the period under review."
Dank, who was spoken to by the Australian Crime Commission in November as part of its investigation into drugs in sport, has not spoken to Hird since being moved on at the end of last season.
He claimed on Monday he had left the club with an inventory of supplements given to players during his time at Essendon.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/stephen-dank-says-it-would-be-ludicrous-if-essendon-staff-are-charged-by-the-afl/story-fndv8gad-1226695863049#mm-breached
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AFL legend Leigh Matthews has questioned whether Essendon has done anything to bring the game into disrepute and is at risk of being made a scapegoat.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-coach-james-hird-admits-pressure-on-club-is-taking-its-toll-on-players-in-recent-weeks/story-fndv8gad-1226695803368
Scapegoat? Ummm Lethal, their captain admitted on live tv to being given a substance that's been banned since 2011. Add to that there's the club's own report into the matter critical of what happened plus now the ASADA interim report.
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AFL legend Leigh Matthews has questioned whether Essendon has done anything to bring the game into disrepute and is at risk of being made a scapegoat.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-coach-james-hird-admits-pressure-on-club-is-taking-its-toll-on-players-in-recent-weeks/story-fndv8gad-1226695803368
Scapegoat? Ummm Lethal, their captain admitted on live tv to being given a substance that's been banned since 2011. Add to that there's the club's own report into the matter critical of what happened plus now the ASADA interim report.
Youve got to wonder about some of these journos and their motives.
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last month leigh said hed lost respect for jimmy due to spin doctor employment
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Why is Evans allowed out of Australia
Jail ffs
Jail? What for? Stupidity?
He hasn't broken any laws
I think yol find from work safe and medical law
Undocumented multi mass injection lab rat program
:nope :nope
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And Jimmy wonders why footy fans are losing/have lost respect for him since this saga started ::)
Is he for real?
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Essendon coach James Hird defiant as AFL charges loom over supplements scandal
by: Mark Robinson
•From: Herald Sun
•August 13, 2013 8:17AM
ESSENDON coach James Hird remains defiant over the club's supplements scandal amid speculation the AFL could hand down its findings in the coming hours.
Hird, Dr Bruce Reid and Danny Corcoran are in the sights of the AFL after ASADA handed down its interim report more than a week ago.
The key Essendon trio have been told they can expect to be charged, along with the club, over last year's supplements program run by sports scientist Dank and former high-performance manager Dean Robinson.
Hird said outside his Toorak mansion this morning that he still found the possibility of charges "hard to believe".
Hird again denied Bombers players have taken performance enhancing drugs or have been harmed by any substances.
"I think we all find it hard to believe that charges can be laid on individuals or the club when none of our players have shown to take performance enhancing drugs, none of our players have been shown that they’ve been harmed by anything that’s been given and that we’re dealing with an interim report," Hird told Channel Seven.
"The report's not finalised so we're all probably sitting back staggered and shocked that any charges could possibly be laid on those points."
Hird also indicated that Essendon would strongly fight the charges.
"Our football club is the greatest football club in Australia and we're going to protect its name," he said.
Full article at:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-coach-james-hird-defiant-as-afl-charges-loom-over-supplements-scandal/story-fni5f6kv-1226695863049
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"I think we all find it hard to believe that charges can be laid on individuals or the club when none of our players have shown to take performance enhancing drugs, none of our players have been shown that they’ve been harmed by anything that’s been given and that we’re dealing with an interim report," Hird told Channel Seven.
"The report's not finalised so we're all probably sitting back staggered and shocked that any charges could possibly be laid on those points."
Now Jimmy it would appear that what you seem to have conveniently forgotten (probably because it doens't suit your spin) is that the AFL are also using Ziggy's report, you know the one your own Club (the Club you claim to love soooooooooo much) organised, to make their findings.
Secondly, the reason the ASADA report is only an "interim" report was explained to eveyone last week. With their new powers they can no force people to be interviewed, hence why they are keeping the invesitgation open. Your players are not off the hook yet.
And whay has your tune suddenly changed?
Up until yesterday it was about "we haven/t done anything wrong".
Now it's "none of our players have shown to take performance enhancing drugs, none of our players have been shown that they’ve been harmed by anything that’s been given".
Is that because of what the report says? All media outlets have said that the reports says your players were give at least 1 banned substance (ADO 69 whatever it is). Are you and your club now justifying that little issue by saying it "hasn't harmed" them?
Facts are the reason none of your players have yet to (may still happen) face any sanctions is in part because of the non-existent records your Club kept. Bit hard to whack someone when (1) the person doens't know what they took and (2) you the administrators of the said program didn't keep proper records
You & your Club are being charged not just because of what you gave your players but how you went about running the program. Wouldn't think you need a final ASADA report to tell you that the EFC let their players and the game down
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Essendon idiots ringing the radio ;D
Why is Evans allowed out of Australia
Jail ffs
Jail? What for? Stupidity?
He hasn't broken any laws
I think yol find from work safe and medical law
Undocumented multi mass injection lab rat program
:nope :nope
If you mass inject 1000s of injections in this country you have to be able state what said drug is - even lab rats have this right :yep
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AFL @AFL
1m
@janey3putt The AFL has never said there will be a 9am press conference, only media speculation.
:whistle
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A defiant Essendon coach James Hird says he'd be "staggered and shocked" if the AFL decided to lay charges based on the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's interim report into the club's 2012 supplement program.
"None of our players has shown they've taken performance enhancing drugs; none of our players has shown that they've been been harmed by anything that's been given," he told reporters outside his Melbourne home on Tuesday.
"We're dealing with an interim report. The report's not finalised.
"We're all sitting back staggered and shocked that any charges could possibly be laid on those points.
"Our football club is the greatest football club in Australia and we're going to protect its name."
Essendon is expected to find out on Tuesday if the club or individuals will be charged by the AFL over their suspect supplements program.
The AFL received ASADA's interim report more than a week ago.
There has been speculation that no specific anti-doping charges will be brought against players under the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code but the AFL could still heavily punish the Bombers under its own rules.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-08-13/hird-staggered-by-potential-charges.workstation
:sleep :sleep
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Needs a new catch-phrase tbh. :whistle
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If you mass inject 1000s of injections in this country you have to be able state what said drug is - even lab rats have this right :yep
You are making a massive assumption = 1000s of injection. No proof of this in this case.
Going back to your original claim that Evans shouldn't be allowed to leave the country and should be in jail
He has every right to leave the country as he hasn't been charged with anything, currently is under investigation for anything.
So under the laws that govern this great country of ours he is free to leave and go overseas for a holiday
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Needs a new catch-phrase tbh. :whistle
Cannot see him uttering the phrase "I take full repsonsibility because I stuffed up" anytime soon
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The doping programs at both clubs were significantly different: Essendon's almost military, with 30-40 injections per player,
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/players-still-in-asada-sights-20130811-2rq9t.html
x 45 odd players on the list = 1800 injections
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Needs a new catch-phrase tbh. :whistle
Cannot see him uttering the phrase "I take full repsonsibility because I stuffed up" anytime soon
Yer I wouldn't imagine that would come out any time soon. ;D
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kb alluding to the delay is due to essendon lawyers not happy with the punishment.
what kind of bizzaro world is this in that the criminals get to negotiate punishments :huh
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efc not wearing training gear - sponsers jumped off? https://twitter.com/JacquiReedAFL/status/367077810134716416/photo/1
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kb alluding to the delay is due to essendon lawyers not happy with the punishment.
what kind of bizzaro world is this in that the criminals get to negotiate punishments :huh
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efc not wearing training gear - sponsers jumped off? https://twitter.com/JacquiReedAFL/status/367077810134716416/photo/1
Wearing the jumpers that they'll be wearing once their bans end and they're stuck in local leagues. :whistle
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HUN Web-site suggesting that AFL & Bombers are behind closed doors in "secret talks"
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"ESSENDON and the AFL are believed to be in secret talks as the footy world waits for the league to lay charges over the club's 2012 supplements program.
A large media contingent is waiting at AFL House but a rumoured 9am announcement did not happen.
The two parties are believed to be in talks discussing potential charges and negotiating any sanctions to be handed to the club and key officials including coach James Hird."
From: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-coach-james-hird-defiant-as-afl-charges-loom-over-supplements-scandal/story-fni5f6kv-1226695863049
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AFL web-site has a running commentary going which is telling us...........well not very much at all :rollin
If it wasn't so serious and the biggest scandal in the games history it would be comical
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for the 100th and last time - the prosecute and the criminal having negotiations is utterly ludicrous
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From AFL.com.au
11.31am: James Hird didn't take training at Windy Hill and hasn't been sighted since leaving his house this morning, AFL.com.au's Jacqui Reed reports.
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gone to top himself doing everyone a favor 8)
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for the 100th and last time - the prosecute and the criminal having negotiations is utterly ludicrous
But bents for the 101st time this isn't a criminal case. No matter how much you, me and others think it should be, may want it to be; it isn't and at this stage there is no suggestion it is ever going to be.
And BTW you are kidding yourself if you honestly believe that negotiations to lessen either sentences or even charges don't happen in criminal cases. It happens all the bloody time. Not saying it is right far from it but it happens all the time, everyday of the week
Rightly or wrongly there is a precedent here for their to be negotiations regarding penalties. The AFL did it with Adelaide and their salary cap cheating with Tippett, they did it with Melbourne over the "tanking" episode. They are doing it here because the AFL want to avoid this going to court.
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More grubby than the Rwandan Genocide
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More grubby than the Rwandan Genocide
Bents, I am not disagreeing with you this whole sordid saga is a disgrace and blight on our game that is not in dispute.
Only people who seem to think otherwise are delusional Bombers fans and sympathsiers
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Teams? >:(
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Teams? >:(
In: Zaharakis, Goddard
Out: Everyone else.
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Has anyone tried looking for Hird in some halfway house somewhere yet?
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"and that we’re dealing with an interim report," Hird told Channel Seven.
"The report's not finalised so we're all probably sitting back staggered and shocked that any charges could possibly be laid on those points."
Secondly, the reason the ASADA report is only an "interim" report was explained to eveyone last week. With their new powers they can no force people to be interviewed, hence why they are keeping the invesitgation open. Your players are not off the hook yet.
If they have enough evidence to ream them from only the interim report (and the other stuff) wouldn't you take the punishment and run? Could find out a lot more when Dank has to talk
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More grubby than the Rwandan Genocide
Ummm, I don't think so Bents.
After all its just a game of footy.
What its not is a big deal compared to a million people tragically killed.
It's only just a local footy comp. really.
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AFL website saying Jimmy has finally turned up at Windy Hill and will speak to the media again shortly
Can harldy wait :sleep
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More grubby than the Rwandan Genocide
Ummm, I don't think so Bents.
After all its just a game of footy.
What its not is a big deal compared to a million people tragically killed.
It's only just a local footy comp. really.
Rwandan Genocide *hey im going to kill you* *stab stab*
this saga: grubby grubby grub
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*lol* *lol lol*
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More grubby than the Rwandan Genocide
Ummm, I don't think so Bents.
After all its just a game of footy.
What its not is a big deal compared to a million people tragically killed.
It's only just a local footy comp. really.
Rwandan Genocide *hey im going to kill you* *stab stab*
this saga: grubby grubby grub
I know you're only having a lark with the comparison Bents but I can tell you for a fact that the Rwandan genocide was a human tragedy on a scale that is still almost impossible to comprehend, even when you saw the death and misery first hand.
But as for the Bummers - as you said...........grubby grubby grub!
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Jacqui Reed @JacquiReedAFL 1h
Hird: "I was was reading children's stories to my kids, now I better go and train."
Hird and the hyperbaric chamber of secrets ;D
Charlie and the peptide factory ;D
btw this jacqui reed character is tidy
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Hird said he's been reading books to his kids rather than the ASADA interim report.
So check out #hirdbooks on twitter :rollin
Charlie and the Peptide factory
Caroline's Web
To Kill a Mockinghird
How To Inject Friends and Influence People
:lol
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James and the Giant Breach
Thomas the Dank Engine
The Power of One jab
;D
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:clapping
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btw this jacqui reed character is tidy
:lol
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Well it looks like not much happening down at HQ today
Looks like it may drag on for another day :banghead :banghead
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What a crock of poo.
Whats the problem?
Hand out the penalties, ffs!
It's not like they can appeal at the same hearing or at least I've never heard of any such example.
Sounds as though they're all licking each others ball bag.
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Lawyers stepped in?
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I'm still trying to get the sound of all these ball sacks being licked out of my head.
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Think Hannibal Lecter describing the nice Chianti
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lmao
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:laugh:
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Lawyers stepped in?
Lawyers have been involved since the AFL & EFC got a copy of the report
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Lionel Hutz: If there’s one thing America needs, it’s more lawyers. Can you imagine a world without lawyers?
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On MMM this morning Eddie said that in Sydney people were saying there can be an honerable compromise where its sort of win win all round.I wonder if he knows something is afoot
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I hope Brendon Gale and his team are trying to pinch Essendons sponsors. Common Benny take them to the cleaners.
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I hope Brendon Gale and his team are trying to pinch Essendons sponsors. Common Benny take them to the cleaners.
And which of ours do you suggest we give the flick Ramps?
Jeep, Bingle, KooGa, one of our newbies Metro Solar?
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WP can you have too many sponsors?
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"Difficulty in wording Re: James Hird's charge is what is holding any announcement up" - Caro on 3AW.
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WP can you have too many sponsors?
True but...
We have Jeep who've been fantastic. Bombers have Kia. You want to poach Kia then we lose Jeep - cant have both. Also, both our majors are contacted for 2014.
We've just signed Metro Solar, Bombers have that other mob can't think of their name :-\ we cannot bring in a direct competitor against one of our current sponsors.
Again KooGa are contracted for next year so Adidas isn't an option.
Toll sponsor the bombers they aren't going to desert the EFC seeing their newest chairman is the former owner of Toll
Happy to try and get new sponsors but we cannot/should not do it at the expense of our current partners
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Triple M Footy @triplemfooty twitter:
BREAKING: "AFL General Counsel Andrew Dillon will provide an update tonight on the ASADA investigation at 7.30pm in Melbourne at AFL House."
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Agreed WP
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More #hirdbooks
The Lion The Witch and the Drug Probe
Where The WADA Things Are
The Habbit
Performance Enhancing Drugs For Dummies
Puff the magic Dankman
;D
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AFL General Counsel Andrew Dillon's update tonight on the ASADA investigation:
AFL has charged Essendon FC, James Hird, Dr Bruce Reid, Danny Corcoran and Mark Thompson in relation to the supplements program in 2011/12.
All are charged with engaging in conduct unbecoming or likely to prejudice interests or reputation of AFL or to bring game into disrepute.
Hearing scheduled to be held on Monday 26 August at AFL House.
No infraction notices issued to the players for the present time.
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This is rubbish.
Wada have admitted its a banned substance, however the players aren't going to be served with infraction notices.
I don't think they will lose points now.
This is utter rubbish this is.
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Be patient Daniel son
I don't see how wada can allow drug cheating
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Be patient Daniel son
I don't see can wada can allow drug cheating
Bents I'm not a patient individual, comes from my old nonno, but this is peeing me off.
They have said no infraction notices to players.
Now I can see why the turd and that are so smug cause there is no evidence of doping violations it seems, just governance issues
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I am also disillusioned with the fiasco
However its just the intern report...
Expect drugs charges player bans to follow.
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Well im confused...
"objection your honour, all personell at our club was either totally high or completely munted - we didnt know what we were doing. "
"Sustained. The witness and relevant party were clearly of their heads. Now everybody forget about this. Did I mention Daddy owns a Porsche?
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So they are playing finals?
Unbelievable
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Well im confused...
"objection your honour, all personell at our club was either totally high or completely munted - we didnt know what we were doing. "
"Sustained. The witness and relevant party were clearly of their heads. Now everybody forget about this. Did I mention Daddy owns a Porsche?
Grubby
Corruption
Secret meetings
Dodgy as feck.
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Lawyers stepped in?
Lawyers have been involved since the AFL & EFC got a copy of the report
Yes but the news said something about them stepping in today. I just caught the end of it so I don't know exactly what they said
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WP can you have too many sponsors?
True but...
We have Jeep who've been fantastic. Bombers have Kia. You want to poach Kia then we lose Jeep - cant have both. Also, both our majors are contacted for 2014.
We've just signed Metro Solar, Bombers have that other mob can't think of their name :-\ we cannot bring in a direct competitor against one of our current sponsors.
Again KooGa are contracted for next year so Adidas isn't an option.
Toll sponsor the bombers they aren't going to desert the EFC seeing their newest chairman is the former owner of Toll
Happy to try and get new sponsors but we cannot/should not do it at the expense of our current partners
What if they give us more money
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In all seriousness, may I ask each and every forum member the following question:-
if Essendon have done nothing wrong, why would Hird and co be claiming to be feeling to be feeling the pRessure after a tough year?
I quote one G M Michael:-
I'm never gonna dance again
Guilty feet have got no rhythm
Though it's easy to pretend
I know your not a fool
Should've known better than to cheat a friend
And waste the chance that I've been given
So I'm never gonna dance again
The way I danced with you
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Reading between the lines I think WADA have deemed it banned but ASADA have stuffed up here and told the cheats something different.
How else can there be no infraction notices.
Bents it won't come. The players will get off Scott free due to some loophole created by those fools at ASADA.
This is SKATA
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The report is not finished...
Infraction notices should come
Can't get off the tbeta4 drugs
Aod is only one drug they used...
Tiger71 said: ↑ bfooty
The interim report was used like I mentioned multiple times. Just formers like robbo and some here dont get that there are two investigations going side by side. The afl needed the interim report to back up the ziggy report so they could charge the incompetent cabal lead by hird.
Now that's out of the way the ASADA report can take all the time it needs to play out
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I want WP to call his mate Chuck or whatever his contacts name is and tell us what those 25 points the cheats have been charged with.
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Skata indeed >:(
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So they are playing finals?
Unbelievable
Which bit of this don't you understand bent?
Hearing scheduled to be held on Monday 26 August at AFL House.
No penalties were going to be handed out today.
they get charged and have 14 days to put together a defence and they face a hearing, no great surprise. Between now and then they will try an negotiate a penalty just like Melb & Adel did. Don't come up with something and they face a hearing and they are risk points, fines, draft pick loss and suspension of the great one
This is rubbish.
Wada have admitted its a banned substance, however the players aren't going to be served with infraction notices.
I don't think they will lose points now.
This is utter rubbish this is.
Daniel, there are 2 very separate issues here.
First one is the behaviour of the EFC, their program which is what the AFL charges relate to. Very separate to the players and what they took
As bents said the current ASADA report is an interim report. As I mentioned earlier today ASADA now have new powers since Aug 2. This mean they can force anyone to be interviewed eg everyone's favourite sprots scienctist S Dank. ASADA are still investigating and trying to determine who took what. Can't issue an infraction notice to someone if you don't have concrete proof of what they took. From what has been reported the interim report ASADA have confirmed that banned substances were adminsitered but because the EFC haven't kept proper records ASADA has been able to establuish who took what.
Yes Jobe Watson said believed he took ADO-6904 or whatever it is called but the key word here is "believed" because that's what was on the consent form. Jobe knows he took sometihng but he isn't sure what it was and either is Essendon.
So while the ASADA investigation is still on going the players aren't going to be served YET.
Let ASADA do their job with WADA looking over their shoulder and let that take its course. Far better for them to keep digging and get it right than serve an infraction notcie now based on an incomplete invesitgation and let the players off when they appeal to the Int'l sports arbitration board
And let's just let the AFL process take it's course and see what happens - a whacking is coming. Whether it be for season 2013 or perhaps 2014
Going ot get very interesting indeed ;D
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I was eating dinner thanknu very much wp
8pm: Head of WADA John Fahey has spoken to AFL.com.au's Nathan Schmook. On the possibility of Essendon players receiving infraction notices, he said:
"I think there's some distinct chance in the end that might happen, but they (ASADA) have to dot their Is and cross their Ts.
"These things just simply take time. I can't tell you how long it will take.
"The sad thing about it, as all of us who love sport saw, this thing had the cart before the horse.
"You only know there's a problem when ultimately charges are laid or enquiries are concluded and a statement is issued."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-13/live-coverage-dons-supplements-scandal
Keep the faith Daniel son
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I want WP to call his mate Chuck or whatever his contacts name is and tell us what those 25 points the cheats have been charged with.
the mate's name is Chutney and Chutney cannot help with that sort of detail ;D
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I want WP to call his mate Chuck or whatever his contacts name is and tell us what those 25 points the cheats have been charged with.
the mate's name is Chutney and Chutney cannot help with that sort of detail ;D
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS81ENs93VE77azKB1hMxLXLY9v-K0nVmgXKhztybf6SYAuWKj0)
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https://twitter.com/AFL
At the present time, no infraction notices issued under the AFL Anti-Doping Code. Investigation remains open, could lead to further charges.
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August 11
Little tells pre-match lunch that expected charges against the club and some officials will give Essendon a chance to be 'uninhibited' for the first time in its defence.
Let's hear Turds excuses now.
"We wanted to review ourselves but we are innocent"
"This is affecting everyone's lives it should stop but we are innocent"
"We can't say anything but I'm sure we're innocent"
"I can't wait to be able to talk but we are innocent"
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"We have changed our practices now so dontbworry about the past"
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"We have changed our practices now so dontbworry about the past because we are innocent"
Edited for accuracy
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"We have changed our practices now so dontbworry about the past because we are innocent"
Edited for accuracy
Thank you
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I want WP to call his mate Chuck or whatever his contacts name is and tell us what those 25 points the cheats have been charged with.
the mate's name is Chutney and Chutney cannot help with that sort of detail ;D
:thumbsup
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Plenty of time ladies and gentlemen for this to play itself out.
Aug 26th is the start.
Essendon know they are in the skata.
Just for those that impatient you never use your A grade material until necessary.
We were waiting at 9am for an AFL presser time is of the essence.
Aug 26th will start with the ringleaders and from there we will have unrelenting disaster on the cheats.
Just like in a curt of law you are charged and a date is set for your hearing. The same is this.
The penalty will fit the crime. The AFL know that the integrity & future of the sport is at stake.
The public/rank and file fan has had enough. Justice will prevail. :thumbsup
Patience friends. :thumbsup
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efc claiming victory :cheers
We're in a better position today than we were yesterday. :o
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efc claiming victory :cheers
ahahahaha they 0-1 down 5 mins into the first half and have had a player sent off.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :thumbsup
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Channel 7 has a special on tonight at 9:50pm.
@7sport TONIGHT in response to the #AFL's verdict, @Channel7 will present 'The Decision' a special on the Essendon_FC drugs scandal #ausdope
:rollin :rollin
Special guest Lebron James
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none of us believed we’d done anything wrong
“We feel vindicated by this announcement and hope this helps confirm the faith of our supporters and the broader football public that, as professional sportsmen, we would never do anything to compromise the integrity of the game, our team, or our own values.”
Jobe Watson :cheers
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-08-13/watson-welcomes-clearing-of-players
:rollin :rollin
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none of us believed we’d done anything wrong, although, whats with ALLLL that pressure lately, the reports in the media, and my own admission in May?
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Jobe Watson :cheers
:rollin :rollin
EFA
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Essendon have got 2 weeks to put the feelers out.
Eddie had an interesting point tonight, could Hird (coz it's all about Hird) go for a situation of accepting a punishment without admitting guilt or liability. That way the AFL can be seen to be punishing the golden boy and he doesn't have the black mark of bringing the game into disrepute on his rap sheet. Therefore you could give him a 6 month ban and he could be coaching even Rd 1 next year.
It doesn't really impact on us what happens to the other 3 but my guess would be 6 months, the majority or all served off season. It will be interesting to see what happens to the doc.
As for the club, they will be playing finals this year. The one positive to come out of that is that the Blues had false hopes of making the finals. It is definitely looking like massive $ and draft picks.
Don't get too upset Bents, if you remember with Cousins after he was charged with disrepute, he had to get permission from the AFL for a haircut. Essendon will be the AFL's bunnies for quite some time. It will ruin the club on field no doubt. Just sit back and enjoy, and watch it disintegrate slowly over the next few years. Then in 30 years we can all sit back and enjoy the Fox Footy doco on why Essendon were so crap for 30 years.
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Essendon's statement
August 13, 2013 - 8:39PM
Essendon Chairman Paul Little has released the following statement:
Essendon Football Club confirms it and four Club employees – James Hird, Mark Thompson, Danny Corcoran and Dr Bruce Reid – have received notice from the AFL that they have been charged under AFL Rule 1.6.
Now that charges have been laid, the Club and individuals involved are in a far better position to focus on understanding the specific nature of the allegations and the evidence upon which the AFL has relied to lay the charges.
Essendon takes these matters very seriously. They are based on assertions contained in an interim report from ASADA and will be vigorously defended.
These are very complex matters and whilst the Essendon Football Club is determined to resolve them expeditiously, that cannot be at the expense of thoroughness and due process that affords all parties natural justice to ensure a fair outcome.
Essendon welcomes the news that no infraction notices have been issued against any of its players and the AFL's statement that, on current evidence, no notices will be issued.
Throughout this process, our prime consideration has been the welfare of our players. We have maintained that no player has taken a performance enhancing substance and that there was no breach of the AFL's anti-doping code. We stand by this and thank our players and their families for the way they have conducted themselves during what have been emotionally taxing times.
Since the Club first raised its concerns with the AFL and proactively invited ASADA to investigate these matters, we have co-operated fully with all enquiries.
It is also important to be very clear that there is no doubt the Club and individuals have made mistakes and that our governance and people management had significant gaps.
Over recent months, we have also implemented fundamental reforms of our internal governance practices and procedures, including reform of our HR and employee recruitment policies, medical protocols and lines of responsibility and accountability. The Club has been assisted in this task by appropriate independent experts.
Given the Club's assessment of the charges it is appropriate that the four individuals continue to perform their roles within our reformed governance structure. To do otherwise before these matters are finalised would be to effectively impose a penalty in advance of a fair hearing and represent a denial of natural justice.
The Club notes that the AFL does not intend to make further comment at this time and neither will the Essendon Football Club or the charged individuals.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendons-statement-20130813-2rudn.html
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Essendon players' statement
August 13, 2013 - 8:44PM
On behalf of the Essendon playing group, captain Jobe Watson has made the following statement:
"As we've said all along, none of us believed we'd done anything wrong in relation to the 2012 supplements program," Watson said.
"We've fully co-operated with every part of the ASADA investigation and we've always said we've got nothing to hide."
"We feel vindicated by this announcement and hope this helps confirm the faith of our supporters and the broader football public that, as professional sportsmen, we would never do anything to compromise the integrity of the game, our team, or our own values."
"The last six months have been an extremely tough time for us and our families and friends, and while we've stayed focused on our footy, the speculation and innuendo has had an impact in some way on all of us."
"You could never describe this experience as a positive, but what has come out of it is an even tighter bond across the playing group."
"Collectively, we've also been blown away by the support we've received from our fans. Your loyalty has been unwavering throughout this entire process – thank you for believing in us."
"Finally, we're very aware that thisstressful process continues for our club. Our club and coaches have got ourunqualified support and we'll continue to support each other throughout this process and beyond."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-players-statement-20130813-2ruds.html#ixzz2bqmxj73e
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Anger simmers below surface as charges laid
Caroline Wilson
The Age
August 14, 2013
The scandal that has haunted the AFL's 2013 season delivered some form of resolution late on Tuesday when the game's governing body delivered serious charges against Essendon, its senior coach James Hird and three of his most trusted senior staff.
The charges, communicated without colour or flair at 7.30pm by the AFL's legal executive Andrew Dillon, came after months of interviews, mini-dramas, sub-plots and conspiracy theories, and even in the final hours the sensitivity of the wording was being debated by some of Australia's finest legal minds.
Essendon's chairman Paul Little admitted his club had done wrong but declared it would ''vigorously'' defend the charges when the club is expected to face the AFL Commission on August 26.
His club faces the loss of draft picks, premiership points and a multimillion-dollar fine. Hird and his three fellow staff members remain desperate to save their reputations, having already been tainted by the potentially harmful and illegal program they allowed to continue for so long.
The senior coach has become a besieged figure and he remained defiant to the last, privately angry in the belief he had been ill-advised back in February to accept ''full responsibility'' for the activities of his football department.
On the morning the charges were announced he claimed his players had taken no performance-enhancing or harmful substances and pointed to the fact the ASADA summary was an ''interim report''.
But this works two ways. The bad news for the Essendon players is that there remains no guarantee that infraction notices will not be served. Despite the fact ASADA believes it has enough evidence to move on players, it is waiting to continue investigating Essendon's program under new legislative powers.
In the meantime Hird, Mark Thompson, Danny Corcoran and Dr Bruce Reid have been charged with bringing the game into disrepute for their roles in the club's 2011-12 drugs program.
Essendon, Hird, assistant coach Thompson, football manager Corcoran and Reid were charged under AFL Rule 1.6 with engaging in conduct that is unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the AFL or bringing the game of football into disrepute.
Behind-the-scenes negotiations are expected to continue for the next 10 days while Hird and his team must also battle to remain a viable finals threat despite the fact the Bombers could be forcibly removed from the finals.
A number of Hird's assistant coaches and the departed high-performance manager Dean Robinson are also expected to face charges from the AFL, but those developments have been shelved until the main players are dealt with.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/anger-simmers-below-surface-as-charges-laid-20130813-2rumw.html#ixzz2bqnDg4WM
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Dillon indicated that while the interim Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority report had not found evidence of any "specific anti-doping rule violation" by any player, the investigation remained open.
Jobe Watson said he was administered what he believed to be AOD-9604, the failed anti-obesity drug, believing it was approved by Reid.
"In relation to the Essendon players, I can advise that although WADA has declared AOD-9604 is a banned substance, on the information currently before the AFL, there is no specific anti-doping rule violation attributed to any individual player for the use of AOD-9604 or any other prohibited substance," Dillon said.
"As such, at the present time there will be no infraction notices issued under the AFL anti-doping code.
"I note the investigation into Essendon's 2011-2012 supplements program by the AFL and ASADA remains open and could lead to further charges under the AFL rules against other individuals. Infraction notices under the AFL anti-doping code against individual players or other persons could also result."
The AFL has not ruled out the Bombers challenging the charges through the courts.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-to-vigorously-defend-afl-charges-20130813-2rudp.html#ixzz2bqohkJx7
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Another Caro whack
Well done :clapping
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She's stuffing AWESOME!!!
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Media need to print some articles questioning the validity of asada and wada
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Despite the fact ASADA believes it has enough evidence to move on players,
:clapping
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I hope Brendon Gale and his team are trying to pinch Essendons sponsors. Common Benny take them to the cleaners.
And which of ours do you suggest we give the flick Ramps?
Jeep, Bingle, KooGa, one of our newbies Metro Solar?
Look ;D (I think we should all start our posts with the word Look now that Dimma has taken us to the finals) the bombers must have plenty of sponsors we could pinch without it contradicting our other sponsorship arrangements. Maybe we also have the same sponsors as well in some instances. Going forward ;D if we dont have sponsorship arrangements with Yakult, Antler, Bosch, Wolf Blass, Ledified, Bet Ezy, Caltex, Australian Institute of Management, Belesdorf, Bluestar Logistics, Centec Security, Dental Solutions, Sealy Posturepedic. Thats just a small list of Essendons sponsors going by their website. There should be plenty of ways of bringing in new sponsors, establishing new coterie groups is just one way of doing it ;D
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3 x 10 goal wins coming up. They'll be cooked by then :cheers
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Essendon have got 2 weeks to put the feelers out.
Eddie had an interesting point tonight, could Hird (coz it's all about Hird) go for a situation of accepting a punishment without admitting guilt or liability. That way the AFL can be seen to be punishing the golden boy and he doesn't have the black mark of bringing the game into disrepute on his rap sheet. Therefore you could give him a 6 month ban and he could be coaching even Rd 1 next year.
It doesn't really impact on us what happens to the other 3 but my guess would be 6 months, the majority or all served off season. It will be interesting to see what happens to the doc.
The AFL have the Melbourne "there was no tanking" precedent of handing out punishment while not admitting anything was done wrong. Then there was the 6 month slap on the wrist for Steven Trigg at Adelaide for the Tippett salary cap scandal. So anything is possible with the AFL these days.
As for the players - the AFL wouldn't want them to receive infraction notices. Presidents, CEOs, officials and even coaches are expendable and replaceable but to satisfy the tv rights deal they need Essendon's list to remain mostly in tact and to be playing.
The round 23 game is going to be a volatile affair if Essendon are stripped of their points leading into it and with Fletcher breaking the Dons' games record after returning from suspension.
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If the players are going to be sanctioned it will be after the season and before the drafts - Effingdrug can fill their list with pick 70 onwards
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-scandal-asada-says-case-is-not-closed-and-players-could-still-face-doping-charges/story-fni5f6kv-1226696644875
“Should ASADA form the view at the conclusion of its investigation that a person may have committed an anti-doping rule violation ASADA will follow its established process”.
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FORMER ASADA chairman Richard Ings has criticised the anti-doping agency for lack of public communication and called on it to clarify the progress of its investigation into Essendon.
Ings also warned on Wednesday that the saga was far from over for Essendon's players, with the possibility of doping charges to linger beyond this season, even though no charges were laid against them by the AFL.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-14/players-not-in-clear
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ESSENDON could seek an injunction to delay a decision on any penalties over charges laid against the club and four of its staff that could allow the Bombers to play in the finals, prominent media lawyer Justin Quill says.
Quill also believes it's highly unlikely the situation will be resolved on August 26 at the club's hearing at AFL House if it isn't settled by negotiation beforehand.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-14/injunction-threat-looms
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WORLD Anti-Doping Agency chief John Fahey has no issue with the AFL's decision to charge Essendon staff with bringing the game into disrepute before players have been handed possible infraction notices.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-13/wada-boss-fahey-has-no-issue-with-afl-charge
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From Essendon's BF Board so be skeptical but this is their "inside word":
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OK... latest from my man on the inside... and so far he is batting at 100%.
Deal very close to being finalised.. he believes a deal will be struck before the hearing. AFL don't want this extending into finals series. Club can ask for extra time but everyone would prefer this to be resolved sooner rather than later.
AFL currently offered 6 month suspensions for all four individuals, although Reid and Thompson can have 'suspended' sentences. All four to receive 'nominal' fines. (presumably the club would pay them anyway). EFC can take a 2.5M fine and loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for next year.
EFC currently looking for: All individuals to be cleared. Club sanctions are OK.
So the club sanctions are pretty much set at a huge fine ($ amount may vary) and a couple of draft picks (will hurt but we will survive - think of them as duds anyway)
The real battleground is the four individuals, AFL very keen to throw the book at Reid and Hird and Corcoran, Thompson not so much. Club will defend all four to the hilt. I suspect all four would take fines and offer apologies though. So I think middle ground can be made (in my opinion).
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/asada-when-i-rolled-with-the-punches-i-got-knocked-on-the-ground-essendon-supporters-only.989915/page-685#post-29618466
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More here:
Sorry my bad.
1) Absolutely NO chance we lose premiership points. Zero. None. Nada.
2) I mean this years.. like the 'next draft'.. sorry so yeah 1st and 2nd round this year but we can still trade etc etc.. so we could possibly package up our 3rd rounder and gumby for a 2nd round.. so we aren't 'barred' from participating we just don't get allocated a pick in the first two rounds.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/asada-when-i-rolled-with-the-punches-i-got-knocked-on-the-ground-essendon-supporters-only.989915/page-686#post-29618903
My belief is that the club will accept the loss of 1-2 draft picks if it means the 'four' are cleared.
It will hurt.. but if it saves three years of fighting.. we would recover. To be fair.. you can stuff your first two rounds up anyway.. so I don't think we would walk away from the trade table over 2 picks.
Also the club sees our premiership 'window' opening from next season - 2016... so any players taken this year would be unlikely to have an impact on that anyway.
Having said that.. IF the AFL want the 'four' AND fine AND picks.. then the club will not settle.. it will go to court.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/asada-when-i-rolled-with-the-punches-i-got-knocked-on-the-ground-essendon-supporters-only.989915/page-686#post-29618987
Guys, just a quick update.
Sorry for my first, rushed, post.. the draft picks would be THIS YEAR, not next year. Sorry.
Also, the anti-doping aspect is cleared.. barring something spectacular happening (like Dank walking into ASADA and saying.. oh yeah I injected them all with steroids). ASADA will keep investigating Dank (as he was the main target anyway) but they are NOT interested in anything the players have said so far.
I think there is zero chance anything further will happen on that angle. In fact I would be surprised if we even get told if/when the 'final' report gets done... it may never be finished now that the AFL won't be pushing for it.
WADA can't/won't come over the top.. they will have been forwarded a copy of report so far.. they have no interest in this.
Players are 100% clear and vindicated.
Hopefully the hearings will help clear up.. that Hird and Co. are NOT in trouble for giving the players banned substances or cheating.. they are in trouble for ALLOWING 'dodgy' elements into the footy club, for not having better checks and balances and for basically allowing so much 'grey' into it all. Again this will be on the 'lower' spectrum of stuff.. highly unlikely we will see extensive bans or suspensions longer than 6 months.
Very important to remember that ANY punishment will be in relation to OUR internal procedures, our HR policies, our oversight, our slack record keeping and stuff that made it possible for all sorts of substances to be floating around the club last year. So people should remember.. if you get one speeding fine.. you are guilty, you pay a fine, you lose a demerit point but you don't get sent to jail. So you have 'broken the law' but you are not (generally) branded a 'criminal'.
I think the same applies here.. Thompson for allowing Dank to run unfettered. Hird as the 'man in charge', Corcoran as the one who SHOULD have been overseeing it, and Reid for signing off on AOD (which he shouldn't have). Club for hiring a guy like Dank and letting him loose for 6 months.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/asada-when-i-rolled-with-the-punches-i-got-knocked-on-the-ground-essendon-supporters-only.989915/page-694#post-29622240
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demented souls
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I refuse to buy a newspaper and haven't since this all started
Who was the first bloke to crack an egg cook it and eat it? When you think about it in context that could be seen as experimental eating a reproductive cell (egg) but we all do it on a daily basis now.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/asada-when-i-rolled-with-the-punches-i-got-knocked-on-the-ground-essendon-supporters-only.989915/page-707
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Who was the first bloke to crack an egg cook it and eat it? When you think about it in context that could be seen as experimental eating a reproductive cell (egg) but we all do it on a daily basis now.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/asada-when-i-rolled-with-the-punches-i-got-knocked-on-the-ground-essendon-supporters-only.989915/page-707
And the medical world experimented with Thalidomide in the 60's/70's and we all know how that turned out. Ignorant morons. :banghead
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its great that the players have been freed and clear - Mr James Hird
:o
Delusional starts at the top/
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i find it funny as we stand here right now, how anyone can hate the blues more than this scum of a club.
The whole club and its leaders are a disgrace to our sport. Asada are not far behind, running Australias biggest bordello.
It seems to me the only people who can hold their head up high is WADA
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Essendon insider = nuffy. Look at how the club has carried on their innocence through this and now they've been charged.
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The whole club and its leaders are a disgrace to our sport. Asada are not far behind, running Australias biggest bordello.
What's your porblem with ASADA daniel :huh
They have made it clear today that they are still investigating the players and that infractions notices could be issued in the future. This is why they have only issued an interim report. As I said yesterday since Aug 2 ASADA have new powers for investigating and they going to use these powers to continue the investigation. Would rather see them get this right rather than have it done quickly and then leave some tiny loop hole to enable any players to get out of it.
The AFL also made it very clear yesterday when they announced the charges that as it stands at the moment doping charges wont be laid but could be in the future once the ASADA investigation is complete.
WADA have acknowledged and has accepted this approach from both ASADA & the AFL
Richard Ings who was the former cheif of ASADA & a person who views on this matter carry more credibility with me than anyone else has said this morning that the players have defintely not been cleared and that this could take until the end of the year for the investigation to be completed especially in light of the new powers ASADA has
So from an ASADA perspective is far from over
Which means depsite what the Bombers and certain parts of the media have said the players certainly have not been cleared.
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daniel like efc fans is in a rush
give it time :shh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM
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Everybody knows NOTHING.LMAO
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Jacqui Reed @JacquiReedAFL 1h
Hird: "I was was reading children's stories to my kids, now I better go and train."
Ronald Dahl was the author of choice. Surely someone can photoshop a book cover for these children classics.
Hirdy's marvellous medicine
James and the giant scandal.
Big Effin Liar
The Twits
Hardy and the Peptide Factory
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Green Eggs and AOD 9604
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The whole club and its leaders are a disgrace to our sport. Asada are not far behind, running Australias biggest bordello.
What's your porblem with ASADA daniel :huh
They have made it clear today that they are still investigating the players and that infractions notices could be issued in the future. This is why they have only issued an interim report. As I said yesterday since Aug 2 ASADA have new powers for investigating and they going to use these powers to continue the investigation. Would rather see them get this right rather than have it done quickly and then leave some tiny loop hole to enable any players to get out of it.
The AFL also made it very clear yesterday when they announced the charges that as it stands at the moment doping charges wont be laid but could be in the future once the ASADA investigation is complete.
WADA have acknowledged and has accepted this approach from both ASADA & the AFL
Richard Ings who was the former cheif of ASADA & a person who views on this matter carry more credibility with me than anyone else has said this morning that the players have defintely not been cleared and that this could take until the end of the year for the investigation to be completed especially in light of the new powers ASADA has
So from an ASADA perspective is far from over
Which means depsite what the Bombers and certain parts of the media have said the players certainly have not been cleared.
WP, WADA have said AOD is banned all along.
Jobe admitted that's what he had
Why hasn't he been charged?
Someone from ASADA has supposedly told them something different that's my guess.
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ASADA Report: Hirds Three Pronged Attack
By Samantha Lane
15th August 2013
James Hird has mounted an extraordinary challenge to the AFL Commission by demanding a public hearing of the supplements case by an independent tribunal no sooner than two weeks after the conclusion of the finals.
Correspondence lodged with the AFL’s solicitors on Wednesday afternoon specifically asserted that league chief executive Andrew Demetriou is a conflicted party who should not sit in judgment of the matter.
Hird’s legal team outlined three demands that would ruin the AFL's plans to deal with Essendon before the finals – chiefly, a categoric refusal to face a closed Commission hearing.
An August 19 deadline was set for an AFL response, with the Hird camp – including Julian Burnside, QC – making no secret of its intention to take on the league in the Victorian Supreme Court if required.
Acting on independent legal advice, but apparently with the support of his club, Hird is calling for the establishment of an independent tribunal that would hear in public the charges arising thus far out of the Bombers’ supplements scandal, instead of the AFL Commission – usually a nine-member body that includes Demetriou.
Fairfax Media learnt on Wednesday of the detail in the aggressive three-point response to the AFL prepared by Hird’s lawyers, who are now also directly challenging the validity of a 400-page interim report that was prepared by ASADA and delivered to the AFL 13 days ago.
The multi-pronged response was triggered by serious misconduct charges the AFL laid against Hird, Essendon and three others on Tuesday night. Six months into an Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority probe, Essendon, its head coach Hird, senior assistant coach Mark Thompson, club doctor Bruce Reid and football boss Danny Corcoran have been charged by the AFL with conduct unbecoming or prejudicial to the interests of the league.
Now that charges have been laid, Hird’s initial legal fight is bold but procedure-focused.
And if the AFL, which received two letters from the coach’s legal team on Wednesday, does not accede to the demands, the lawyers acting for Hird say they will not hesitate taking the case to court; a development that would worsen what has already proved a crisis for the code.
In calling for the Essendon hearing to be public and judged by an independent tribunal, Hird’s lawyers are claiming that AFL Commissioners, and particularly Demetriou, would come to the case with a prejudiced view because they were provided with ASADA’s interim report.
Hird objects to several claims in the interim report but after his day-long interview with ASADA investigators, in April, was not recalled for a further interview and was not given the opportunity to review assertions made in the report that ASADA delivered to the AFL on August 2. These grievances are now being pursued separately with ASADA.
While Bill Kelty removed himself months ago from any AFL Commission deliberations on Essendon due to his relationships with Hird and ex-Bomber chairman David Evans, Hird’s camp is adamant that Demetriou should also stand aside because they consider him a potential ‘witness’ in the case who has already indicated publicly that he has taken an adverse view of Hird.
The first argument relates to a conflicting version of events around a telephone conversation on February 4, between Demetriou and Evans, before Essendon announced it was essentially opening itself up to an investigation by ASADA. It emerged last month that Hird claimed in his interview with ASADA that he believed Demetriou tipped off Evans about the contents of the Australian Crime Commission report. Demetriou and Evans have both denied those claims, with Demetriou saying he could not have leaked the information because he wasn't privy to it.
It's understood that in the letter filed to the AFL's solicitors on Wednesday, Hird's lawyers also cited some of Demetriou's public comments on the case - specifically a statement in April when the league CEO said Hird should consider standing down from his job as senior coach. The letter says that public statement indicated Demetriou had formed an adverse view of Hird's conduct.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-report-james-hirds-threepronged-attack-20130814-2rwxv.html#ixzz2bwVZzWNi
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WP, WADA have said AOD is banned all along.
Jobe admitted that's what he had
Why hasn't he been charged?
Someone from ASADA has supposedly told them something different that's my guess.
Daniel answered this yesterday. Richard Ings reiterated it this arvo on SEN and The 2 Age journos said it last week
The interim report says that yes AOD was given to EFC players but because of the EFC not keeping proper records of who was given what they are currently unable to determine who took AOD or any other banned substance
Jobe said he believed he had taken AOD because that's what he was told he was given and what was on the consent form he signed but the EFC records don't confirm it or refute it. This applies to all players
Hence why there have been no infraction notices issued and ASADA are still investigating. They are trying to establish who took what. That's why the AFL said last night and ASADA have said today the players can still be charged
As I said yesterday the last thing ASADA would want to do is issue a notice based on we think this what this player took and the player appeals and gets let off
All the info is out there as to why no player has been charged. Only thing is you are more likely to find it in the Big paper as opposed to the HUN
Have patience and let ASADA do their job thoroughly and properly :thumbsup
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The whole club and its leaders are a disgrace to our sport. Asada are not far behind, running Australias biggest bordello.
What's your porblem with ASADA daniel :huh
They have made it clear today that they are still investigating the players and that infractions notices could be issued in the future. This is why they have only issued an interim report. As I said yesterday since Aug 2 ASADA have new powers for investigating and they going to use these powers to continue the investigation. Would rather see them get this right rather than have it done quickly and then leave some tiny loop hole to enable any players to get out of it.
The AFL also made it very clear yesterday when they announced the charges that as it stands at the moment doping charges wont be laid but could be in the future once the ASADA investigation is complete.
WADA have acknowledged and has accepted this approach from both ASADA & the AFL
Richard Ings who was the former cheif of ASADA & a person who views on this matter carry more credibility with me than anyone else has said this morning that the players have defintely not been cleared and that this could take until the end of the year for the investigation to be completed especially in light of the new powers ASADA has
So from an ASADA perspective is far from over
Which means depsite what the Bombers and certain parts of the media have said the players certainly have not been cleared.
WP, WADA have said AOD is banned all along.
Jobe admitted that's what he had
Why hasn't he been charged?
Someone from ASADA has supposedly told them something different that's my guess.
oh man
your going to love the next bit of news
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go Caro go
:birthday :santa :birthday :santa
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Cloudy with a chance of Speedballs
One Jab Two Tab Red Jab Blue Tab
How the Grinch stole the supplements
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you know what bents, i hate this club more than anything and anyone.
a season completely ruined for what? a bunch of ego driven fools.
Stand up anyone on this forum who hates the blues more than these c.... I cant see how that's possible anymore.
they have disgraced themselves and the public.
ive said this from day one. The only thing saving this club from the supporters turning on them is the fact they are in the 8
Picture this scenario. Bombers are in the bottom 4 as this unfolded throughout the year. Can you really see this limpgots holding stand by your cheat signs or whatever rubbish they are holding up at training. I cant.
I hope nought smash them by 100 points. In fact i might go and buy a nought scarf
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Plenty of hate to go around Daniel San
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-afl-has-charged-essendon-with-doping-offenses.1025552/
game over
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I'm with you Daniel. I hate Carlton and Nought as many of our fellow friends on here can attest to but this saga is ripping the heart and soul of the game and has left a real sour taste. These guys are claiming they are bigger than the sport and I find it abhorrent and difficult to swallow. They have held the game and the other 17 clubs to ransom with their selfishness.
To me as a footy fan at least as bad and cheating as they are the Bluebaggers took their medicine in 2002 when they were found out and may they stay rooted in the lower reaches of the table and the 1982 GF I have never forgotten or will ever forgive, I guess when you are 7 things are hard to get over but Essendon are just destroying the fabric of the competition.
If the AFL are happy and are steadfast on all these rule changes that flow through to and from grass roots level to get the kids active, appease parents who are scared to let their kids play body contact sports and involved in AFL then they need to also ensure that the integrity of the sport is maintained so that adults can let their kids play rather than discourage their kids from playing such a corrupt sport should no action be taken against the rogue and selfish footy club.
If they get injunctions and go to court the case cannot be heard until the investigation is over in the same way that the peptides are claiming the investigation is not complete and therefore not worth the paper it is printed on. If that is the case let them go to court and I am sure the truth will be revealed. Perjury is a criminal offence and Marion Jones did go to jail for perjury as Lance Armstrong confessed rather than going to court once all his buffers withdrew their support.
In short I will openly support anyone the Essendon Football Club are playing and may the Bombers reap what they sow and fall from grace on and off the field for generations to come.
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The Australian Football League (AFL) has charged top-flight Australian Rules club Essendon Bombers and four senior officials for bringing the game into disrepute after a six-month investigation by the national anti-doping agency.
Essendon, one of the league’s oldest and most storied franchises, had been under a cloud throughout the 2013 AFL season as the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (Asada) probed its programme of supplements given to players in 2011 and 2012.
The AFL had charged head coach James Hird, regarded as one of the finest players of the modern era, his championship-winning assistant coach Mark Thompson, football manager Danny Corcoran and the club’s doctor Bruce Reid, the governing body said in a statement yesterday.
“I have reviewed the information collected during the course of the joint AFL/Asada investigation, considered the matter carefully and have come to the view the parties charged have a case to answer,” AFL General Counsel Andrew Dillon said.
Essendon, who have already qualified for the play-offs, will face a hearing on August 26th, the AFL added, less than two weeks before the post-season starts on September 6th.
The case has sent shockwaves throughout Australia’s AFL community, with local newspapers reporting grisly details of players being injected with peptides in private clinics under the supervision of club officials.
Peptides are short chains of amino acids which athletes can take in supplement form to aid muscle growth and re-generation. A number of them are banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency, including growth hormone and Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1).
Independent review
Essendon announced in February that it was cooperating with Asada and commissioned an independent review which found governance failures at the club had contributed to a “disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment”.
The AFL, however, said it had no information that any player at Essendon had violated the league’s anti-doping policy. “As such, at the present time, no infraction notices will be issued under the AFL Anti-Doping code,” the statement said.
The investigation remains open, however, and further individuals could be charged, the AFL added.
The club’s chairman quit last month, one of a string of officials to depart amid the scandal, and captain Jobe Watson, who won the AFL’s most valuable player award last season, sensationally admitted on a television chat show in June that he believed he had been administered a banned drug.
New chairman Paul Little said the club would “vigorously” defend the charges but added: “There is no doubt that the club and individuals have made mistakes and that our governance and people management had significant gaps.”
The four charged will be allowed to continue in their roles.
Essendon is expected to be fined and docked championship points if found guilty, which would mean elimination from the play-offs race.Asada is also investigating the use of supplements at Cronulla Sharks, a club in Australia’s top-flight National Rugby League
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/essendon-case-sends-shock-waves-throughout-afl-community-1.1493062
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JAMES Hird has fired his first legal salvo to beat AFL charges, claiming the supplements investigation report was an attempt to "stitch him up".
In a scathing letter to the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, the Essendon coach's lawyers have questioned the legitimacy of a 400-page ASADA document they believe forms the basis of the AFL's charges against him and other club officials.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...the-afls-charges/story-fni5f6kv-1226697388739
:rollin
hes lost the plot taking on every authority going around
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Mysterious bottle from Mexico sets off alarm
Essendon club officials have been unable to tell the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority or their players what drugs some of them were given when they were injected with a substance bought in Mexico by a Melbourne man suffering muscular dystrophy
The revelation that some players were injected with an unknown substance purchased overseas and not intended for use by sportspeople has prompted health concerns from the relatives of some players.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mysterious-bottle-from-mexico-sets-off-alarm-20130814-2rww2.html#ixzz2bxEXoUjP
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...rom-mexico-sets-off-alarm-20130814-2rww2.html
Bombers doped players, says AFL
BY:CHIP LE GRAND From: The Australian August 15, 2013 12:00AM
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THE AFL has accused Essendon of administering its players with a banned substance despite conceding it has insufficient evidence to charge any players with a doping offence.
Leaked details of an AFL charge sheet reveal the first count against Essendon is that it gave its players a substance prohibited by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
An alternate charge is that the club is unable to determine whether it gave a banned substance to its players.
The charge is based on evidence gathered by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority -- and confirmed by sports scientist Stephen Dank -- that Essendon players were given the peptide hormone AOD9604 as part of the club's 2012 supplement regime.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-doped-players-says-afl/story-fnca0u4y-1226697374877
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So, Bents,
what's your take on the future of essendone?
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Don't forget the virgin Mary,kiddies.
(yes, i photoshopped the lines and bags out- she deserves it)
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https://checksubstances.asada.gov.au/details.aspx?prodid=&subid=-219&resultid=D7635184-A63A-42DD-A598-372585069B79
dead link ( no pun intended)
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LMAOoO@ Ur Avatar bra!
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ASADA says case is not closed and players could still face doping charges
Grant Baker, Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
August 15, 2013
THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority says statements from the AFL regarding possible doping charges against individual players should not be taken to mean the case is closed.
AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon said on Tuesday night: "The AFL advised that in relation to Essendon players, although WADA has declared AOD-9604 is a banned substance, on the information before the AFL there is no specific anti-doping rule violation attributed to any individual player for use of AOD-9604 or any other prohibited substance.
"As such, at the present time, no infraction notices will be issued under the AFL anti-doping code."
Essendon captain Jobe Watson said he and his players felt “vindicated” by that statement.
But ASADA said the investigation was ongoing and the possibility of charges remains.
"As we have previously noted, it is a complex investigation and ASADA has a duty of care to be both thorough and accurate in every step of the process," an ASADA spokesman said.
"Should ASADA form the view at the conclusion of its investigation that a person may have committed an anti-doping rule violation, ASADA will follow its established process."
In her last public comments on the matter when handing over the interim report, ASADA boss Aurora Andruska made it clear investigations were far from complete.
"It is essential for the integrity of sport that ASADA comprehensively analyses the information it has now obtained," she said.
"ASADA's enhanced powers, which came into effect on August 1, 2013, are now available to be used to ensure all possible anti-doping violations are fully investigated and to finalise these matters as quickly and efficiently as possible."
It is not up to the AFL to initiate doping charges against players and the Herald Sun last month revealed ASADA had not started the complicated process that could lead to the issuing of doping infraction notices.
As ASADA is now interviewing Cronulla NRL players in its investigation of the use of performance-enhancing drugs, it is possible any infraction process may not begin until that is complete.
Sources close to the investigation have told the Herald Sun poor record-keeping in the Bombers' sports science program in 2012 could make charges unlikely.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-scandal-asada-says-case-is-not-closed-and-players-could-still-face-doping-charges/story-fndv8gad-1226696644875
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The interim ASADA report cannot be used as evidence in Essendon disrepute charges ...
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-interim-asada-report-cannot-be-used-as-evidence-in-essendon-disrepute-charges/story-fndv8gad-1226697403168
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Essendon could be sued by its own players according to the lawyer of Cronulla Sharks players ...
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-could-be-sued-by-its-own-players-according-to-the-lawyer-of-cronulla-sharks-players/story-fndv8gad-1226697382062
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Mysterious bottle from Mexico sets off alarm
Essendon club officials have been unable to tell the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority or their players what drugs some of them were given when they were injected with a substance bought in Mexico by a Melbourne man suffering muscular dystrophy
The revelation that some players were injected with an unknown substance purchased overseas and not intended for use by sportspeople has prompted health concerns from the relatives of some players.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mysterious-bottle-from-mexico-sets-off-alarm-20130814-2rww2.html#ixzz2bxEXoUjP
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...rom-mexico-sets-off-alarm-20130814-2rww2.html
Bombers doped players, says AFL
BY:CHIP LE GRAND From: The Australian August 15, 2013 12:00AM
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THE AFL has accused Essendon of administering its players with a banned substance despite conceding it has insufficient evidence to charge any players with a doping offence.
Leaked details of an AFL charge sheet reveal the first count against Essendon is that it gave its players a substance prohibited by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
An alternate charge is that the club is unable to determine whether it gave a banned substance to its players.
The charge is based on evidence gathered by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority -- and confirmed by sports scientist Stephen Dank -- that Essendon players were given the peptide hormone AOD9604 as part of the club's 2012 supplement regime.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-doped-players-says-afl/story-fnca0u4y-1226697374877
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-afl-has-charged-essendon-with-doping-offenses.1025552/
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Gee going by that pic from bigfooty I should have watched AFL360 last night ;D
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LMAOoO@ Ur Avatar bra!
:lol best thing a Norf fan has ever done was making it. Should charge money for the right to use it. Might save that stain of a club.
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Another (this time relatively subtle) whack from Caro ;D :bow
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Admission may have saved Hird's mates
DateAugust 15, 2013
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age
The AFL, Essendon and legal teams for James Hird and three other key officials spent the daylight hours of Tuesday thrashing out the magnitude of charges which have already irreparably tarnished individual reputations and further damaged the image of Hird's ''greatest football club in Australia''.
Had Hird been prepared to plead guilty to having allowed the administering of banned and potentially harmful drugs to his players there is every chance that Essendon's doctor of more than three decades, Bruce Reid, may have been spared. Ditto Danny Corcoran and Mark Thompson.
The AFL is charging four Essendon officials with bringing the game into disrepute, however the men, including coach James Hird, will fight all charges.
As is his right Hird would not admit as much, believing the charges incorrect. Essendon too appears prepared to accept responsibility for poor governance but not the charge of overseeing the administering of banned substances.
This is despite the ASADA interim summary which has evidence showing that illegal substances were used on players. The AFL says it does not have sufficient evidence to charge any Bomber player for taking banned drugs but that could still happen when ASADA completes its investigation.
Meanwhile the confusing legal thicket surrounding anti-doping codes has been set aside as the AFL pushes on, determined to punish Essendon and those who failed to adequately care for its players while the latter continues to rage against the process and the charges laid.
To date Hird has conceded very little. After the club defeated Fremantle in April the Essendon coach declared his club would be in a very good position at the end of the investigation. That now appears impossible.
Certainly the revelation that Essendon's players remain in the dark about a drug sourced from Mexico and injected into some of them between April and August last year is quite horrifying. It certainly demonstrates just why the AFL Players Association remains so dismayed at the actions of the club.
It also raises serious questions about Hird's ongoing defiance and that of his chairman Paul Little. How on earth could either man state with any confidence that none of their players were given harmful substances - as both have in recent days - when they still cannot nail what was in the bottle injected to players at the South Yarra clinic HyperMed?
When Essendon reported itself to the AFL and ASADA, coach Hird said he took ''full responsibility'' for his football department practices. It has now emerged that he regrets saying this and believes he erred in publicly doing so.
His evidence to the joint AFL-ASADA inquiry suggests he did so on the advice of others and now believes that was bad advice.
It is disappointing that since then there has been no public contrition from Hird and no public regret that he should have done more for his players, some of whom have partners or parents that still hold fears for their long-term health.
It is disappointing that there even seems to be some regret from the Hird camp that the club self-reported when the diabolical drugs program could have been kept in-house or covered up.
Could Hird truly believe that Essendon had the issues in hand when it received a $61,000 bill from a South Yarra clinic that Stephen Dank had kept secret and yet never attempted to find out what the mysterious ''amino acid'' was that was injected into some of his players?
Club staffers, including Corcoran, who also faces serious charges, and Dean Robinson, who will be charged at a later date, thrashed out the contents of the bill in a round table meeting with chiropractor Mal Hooper. Yet they never sought to investigate a substance which ASADA now believes was purchased in Mexico and left at the clinic by a patient suffering from a muscle-wasting disease.
It is so difficult to fathom such ludicrously bad governance where employees are concerned. Imagine if your child was given a vaccination at work only to find that they were injected with a drug purchased in Mexico and left behind by a patient? And then your child's workplace was unable to identify the drug.
And then no one still running that workplace was prepared to yet take public responsibility.
Banned drugs or not, this is a sorry scenario
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/admission-may-have-saved-hirds-mates-20130814-2rwxr.html#ixzz2bzaMkqmG
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JAMES Hird has fired his first legal salvo to beat AFL charges, claiming the supplements investigation report was an attempt to "stitch him up".
In a scathing letter to the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, the Essendon coach's lawyers have questioned the legitimacy of a 400-page ASADA document they believe forms the basis of the AFL's charges against him and other club officials.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...the-afls-charges/story-fni5f6kv-1226697388739
:rollin
hes lost the plot taking on every authority going around
Can't stand this prick anymore. Tries to get on the front foot by "self-reporting" (would've had an investigation on him anyway because he was already busted) but now cries foul because his getting charged :lol. I thought he was innocent why the need to sue everyone involved in trialing you?
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The Age web-site is saying former Vic Premier Mr Jeffrey Gibb Kennett reckons the Bombers should be booted out of the comp for 2014 is this saga isn't resolved soon ;D
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Boot out Bombers for 2014 if crisis is unresolved: Kennett
Date August 15, 2013 - 12:46PM
Stathi Paxinos
Sports Writer for The Age
The AFL should expel Essendon from the 2014 season if the Bombers' supplements saga has not been settled by the end of November, former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett said.
Essendon, coach James Hird, senior assistant Mark Thompson, football manager Danny Corcoran and club doctor Bruce Reid have been charged by the AFL for bringing the game into disrepute and are scheduled to face the AFL Commission on August 26.
However, the disputed charges look set for a prolonged legal battle, one which Kennett said the AFL could not afford to have hijacking another season.
"I'm asking the question is it worth continuing to have the whole code pulled down at the start of a new football season because of this ongoing issue or will we be better to say, 'All right, until it's resolved it's better that Essendon does not compete'," Kennett told 3AW.
"I think it's a real option ... football is so important for people ... the AFL has failed dismally, Essendon has failed dismally. If they can't resolve it and resolve it quickly I think that's a real option.
"We've got to ask ourselves the question, can the code afford to have Essendon competing next year if Essendon's going to attract all the headlines for the wrong reasons?"
Kennett's call comes after Carlton coach Mick Malthouse predicted a shambolic build-up to the finals because of the uncertainty over whether the seventh-placed Bombers would be playing in them. If the Bombers are stripped of premiership points it would open the door for the ninth-placed side to qualify for the finals, which start on September 6.
Fairfax Media reported on Thursday that Essendon players had been injected during the club's controversial supplements program with a mystery substance, bought in Mexico by a Melbourne man suffering from muscular dystrophy, that no official has been able to identify.
Bombers great Tim Watson, the father of current skipper Jobe, said club officials had maintained in meetings with players' families that there had been "no evidence of anything being administered to the players that was harmful or injurious to the players".
But Watson said it was "horrifying" to consider the implications of dangerous drugs.
"If it was proven that somebody operated along those lines, it's not only reprehensible it's criminal," Watson said.
Hawthorn great Dermott Brereton said he could not comprehend how Hird, who has remained defiant in the face of the charges and criticism, had held up after seven months of intense criticism and speculation.
"If I'd been in James Hird's shoes I would have caved in by now ... I couldn't have done it," Brereton said. "I would have gone, 'This is all to hard, here's a resignation'.
"He has been the toughest bloke I can recall in league football."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/boot-out-bombers-for-2014-if-crisis-is-unresolved-kennett-20130815-2ryb8.html#ixzz2c0PYON6y
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Hird, Essendrug and their delusional supporters are making me sick. :chuck
First of all if this was Carlscum they'd be like all of us calling for their heads, if not for the only reason of being a bunch of greedy, pushing it to the limit, on the edge, supplement program hose-heads!
The self righteous smug arrogance exuding from "goldenboy" and their supporters is of Carlscum-like proportions.
Answer me this question you bunch of tossers .....
How the hell can an AFL football club with AFL footballers on such regulated personal programs, each player checked, scanned and programmed to the nth degree where they can't even fart without the club recording it, dissecting the length, width and density of the gasses passed, how can your club not have a comprehensive record of ALL supplements given to each & every player on that list?
If the Essendrug supporters really believe this is true, that their beloved club really has no comprehensive record, then they are officially the most ridiculously stupid supporters on the planet.
Each player is on a modified program suited to their individual metabolic condition, tailored specifically to each individual as no person is exactly the same as the next.
The supplements program must of been tailored to each individual player & apparently David Zaharakis didn't want anything to do with it. Jobe told us he was given a list of supplements that were apparently passed by the club doctor and as "Spike" reminded his former teamate that each player was explained quite extensively in meetings what was going to be administered to them.
Conveniently the club have no record of the program even though Dank says it was recorded on the clubs own intranet. Nor can they conveniently find the correspondence of Doc Reid's "letter of concern".
If your beloved club doctor was concerned with the program doesn't that raise the collective eyebrow as to the problems with the program???
Wake up Essendrug supporters and don't treat us all with such obdurate contempt.
The crap I'm reading and hearing from them is absurd. Calls of "let's fight the AFL" overthrowing the whole competition is unbelievable.
We have a great game and a great indigenous competition that we all love. But by the sounds of it they'd rather jeopardize the rest of the competition as a whole just because of self preservation and personal honour. The honourable thing to do was NOT embark of a supplements program that was so "on the edge" and so "on the limits" that it compromises the competition as a whole.
The even greater honourable thing to do for the good of the club and competition is to come clean, step down and protect the ONLY thing we all take for granted.....
...the integrity of the competition.
Without it we don't have a vibrant national indigenous footy league that's the greatest game in The world.
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More laughable and delusional commentary from Mark McVeigh :facepalm
McVeigh relieved players in the clear
By Ben Hocking
Wednesday, August 14, 2013
Source: SportsFan
Former Essendon player Mark McVeigh, who was at the club during the controversial supplements program, says he feels vindicated that the AFL has not laid any doping charges against the players this week.
The AFL yesterday charged coach James Hird, senior assistant coach Mark Thompson, football manager Danny Corcoran and club doctor Bruce Reid with bringing the game into disrepute. But no players received infraction notices.
McVeigh told SportsFan's Clubhouse that he had been saying all along that the players had done nothing wrong.
"I've been really strong on the point that the players didn't receive anything illegal and I'm glad at this stage that the AFL and ASADA believe that as well," McVeigh said.
"The issue here is that WADA says AOD-9604 is banned, but the AFL can't find the information that says any players should have an infraction notice.
"I don't know whether WADA and ASADA were on the same page, but I'm looking forward to hearing that."
While the ASADA report is only an interim finding and the investigation is still ongoing, McVeigh says the Essendon players will still feel relieved with the result.
"I know this investigation is ongoing, but if they don't know after seven or eight months that we have taken anything illegal, how are they going to know in 12 months time?," McVeigh asked.
"I never once thought that I was taking anything illegal or had signed up to take anything illegal and I'm happy at this stage that that is what has come out and everyone knows it now."
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/mcveigh-relieved-players-in-the-clear/tabid/91/newsid/110125/default.aspx
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"I know this investigation is ongoing, but if they don't know after seven or eight months that we have taken anything illegal, how are they going to know in 12 months time?," McVeigh asked.
"I never once thought that I was taking anything illegal or had signed up to take anything illegal and I'm happy at this stage that that is what has come out and everyone knows it now."
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Well at least there is one journo at the HUN who has a grip on reality ;D
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Please Explain: Why Essendon should do a deal with the AFL now
by: By Glenn McFarlane
From: Herald Sun August 15, 2013 2:59PM
DEAR Paul Little and the Essendon board,
We appreciate how hard you are fighting to protect the club that you love, but the cold, hard reality is that it is time to negotiate a deal with the AFL before it is too late.
Your passion for your club is admirable, but the way you are articulating it is not.
Your aggressive attitude and inability to acknowledge any fault by your club is putting Essendon at risk of being whacked even harder.
The time is right to sit down and sort out a settlement that is in the best long-term interest of the club, however unpalatable that might be.
There is no time to waste. The clock is ticking.
Right now, you don’t seem to be willing to cop anything – from the potential loss of premiership points, to the loss of future draft picks, to a crippling fine, to the possible suspension of the four key officials charged on Tuesday with bringing the game into disrepute.
Forget about the premiership points. They should be the least of your issues. You can’t win this year’s flag anyway. Your players have been incredibly resilient, but the signs of the past three weeks prove they are cooked.
By all means, you are well within your rights to fight for the protection of the reputations of James Hird, Mark Thompson, Dr Bruce Reid and Danny Corcoran.
And if you believe in them, as you clearly do, you should be prepared to back your men, who have undoubtedly made a great contribution to the game over many, many years.
But the best way to do that is through a negotiated settlement rather than arming yourselves with lawyers and threatening to take the AFL – and the game – to court.
That would create a runaway train impossible to stop. It would lead to a protracted, messy and financially crippling legal dispute unprecedented in our great game.
And it would drive a wedge between one of the most famous clubs in Australian sport and its governing body, not to mention the other 17 clubs of the competition.
As Leigh Matthews will attest, you can’t beat City Hall. The AFL will always get you in the end.
For the sake of this club that has been in existence since 1871 and has played such a significant and proud role in our game, take a big whack now - not a bigger one later.
A negotiated resolution – something that happens in courts every day – is your best option.
The thing that cannot be forgotten is that whoever was at fault – we get it that it is still debatable where the true culpability lies – your football club failed its players.
That is clear from your own club’s internal report, conducted by Dr Ziggy Switkowski, that found a “pharmacologically experimental” program that pushed boundaries and potentially put the club's most important assets - the players - at risk.
That’s why you have lost your chairman, your chief executive and a number of other staff members already this season.
You cannot escape that. You never will. And that’s why the AFL will whack you now, or later, depending on your next move.
Regardless of what might happen in court, a penalty is going to happen at some stage, and it is better for you to have a say in the punishment.
If you do play finals this season – something the AFL would clearly prefer not to happen – your form says you are unlikely to go past week one.
So here's my tip. Offer to sacrifice this year’s finals premiership points. Give up on the finals. Start afresh in Round 1 next season with a group that Jobe Watson maintains has been galvanised by the experience of 2013.
Take the fine that might come your way. Chances are, it will be less than the legal fees that you will need if you want to take the AFL to court.
Then there is the matter of draft picks. This looms as the biggie.
If the AFL finds the club guilty of bringing the game into disrepute, you can forget about any meaningful draft selections over the next three years.
If you do a deal now, you could try to wipe out this year’s national draft, which won’t kill you as a footy club.
The 2013 national draft is a solid one, but loses its depth after the top 10 or so selections. But next year’s draft is reportedly a cracker.
So it might be wise to try to gain some access to the next year’s draft and even more access to the 2015 selections.
As distasteful as a deal with the AFL might look to those at the club right now, and as much as the fans are prepared for the fight, you must know the club's best option is to do a deal before August 26 – and return to the fold as a chastened club still on reasonably solid footing rather than one that has been stripped of everything.
Yours Sincerely,
Glenn McFarlane
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/please-explain-why-essendon-should-do-a-deal-with-the-afl-now/story-fndv8t7m-1226697795190#ixzz2c0nGoXWU
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I hope Essendon drags it out in the courts. In the meantime Can Brendon Gale please try and do something about getting back the game that Essendon and sheedy pinched off us ... The Anzac Day Game against Collingwood.
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Ch 7 news tonight claims the AFL told Hird that if he fell on his sword and pleaded guilty to conduct unbecoming then the AFL wouldn't charge his mates Reid, Corcoran and Thompson. Hird said nope and so the AFL charged all four of them.
Essendon chairman Little said they won't do things that suit the AFL's timetable; they'll work to a timetable that will suit Essendon FC and that means preparing for finals.
So we've got a coach putting himself above everyone else at his club and a club putting itself above the League and the other 17 clubs ::).
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Ch 7 news tonight claims the AFL told Hird that if he fell on his sword and pleaded guilty to conduct unbecoming then the AFL wouldn't charge his mates Reid, Corcoran and Thompson. Hird said nope and so the AFL charged all four of them.
this isn't surprising. :lol
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Ch 7 news tonight claims the AFL told Hird that if he fell on his sword and pleaded guilty to conduct unbecoming then the AFL wouldn't charge his mates Reid, Corcoran and Thompson. Hird said nope and so the AFL charged all four of them.
Essendon chairman Little said they won't do things that suit the AFL's timetable; they'll work to a timetable that will suit Essendon FC and that means preparing for finals.
So we've got a coach putting himself above everyone else at his club and a club putting itself above the League and the other 17 clubs ::).
Contempt nothing but contempt :banghead :banghead
Strip them of their license, don't deserve to be in the competition
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Tasmanian Devils
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NT something or others (wombats / all stars etc.)
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"Essendon chairman Little said they won't do things that suit the AFL's timetable; they'll work to a timetable that will suit Essendon FC and that means preparing for finals."
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"Essendon chairman Little said they won't do things that suit the AFL's timetable; they'll work to a timetable that will suit Essendon FC and that means preparing for finals."
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"Essendon chairman Little said they won't do things that suit the AFL's timetable; they'll work to a timetable that will suit Essendon FC and that means preparing for finals."
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"I know this investigation is ongoing, but if they don't know after seven or eight months that we have taken anything illegal, how are they going to know in 12 months time?," McVeigh asked.
"I never once thought that I was taking anything illegal or had signed up to take anything illegal and I'm happy at this stage that that is what has come out and everyone knows it now."
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Of course Mark. In your own words it was just:-
VITAMINS
NOTHING
PAINKILLERS
NOTHING ILLEGAL
:whistle
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A fool with a soapbox.
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A fool with a soapbox.
Yep. If anything has come out of this saga it is that McVeigh and Watson are not journalist's a-holes and are merely sycophants for everyone and everything EFC.
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that's right.
Sycophants the are.
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Barrett tonight on the Footy Show:
* There's 25 charges against Essendon/Hird/Reid/Corcoran/Thompson. Regarding discussions between AFL and Essendon lawyers there's no common ground over any of the 25 charges. So this looks like dragging on and on.
* The other 17 clubs are sick of it and getting sick of Essendon. Malthouse the only one at this stage to go public about it but behind the scenes the other 17 clubs aren't happy.
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Essendon players were to receive 1500 injections according to AFL charge sheets
GRANT BAKER HERALD SUN AUGUST 15, 2013 9:05PM
ESSENDON players were to receive 1500 injections of AOD-9604 and Thymosin, according to an AFL charging document seen by the Herald Sun.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-were-to-receive-1500-injections-according-to-afl-charge-sheets/story-fni5f6kv-1226698051540#
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Ch 7 news tonight claims the AFL told Hird that if he fell on his sword and pleaded guilty to conduct unbecoming then the AFL wouldn't charge his mates Reid, Corcoran and Thompson. Hird said nope and so the AFL charged all four of them.
Essendon chairman Little said they won't do things that suit the AFL's timetable; they'll work to a timetable that will suit Essendon FC and that means preparing for finals.
So we've got a coach putting himself above everyone else at his club and a club putting itself above the League and the other 17 clubs ::).
Contempt nothing but contempt :banghead :banghead
Strip them of their license, don't deserve to be in the competition
If this goes to the courts let it drag on for years appeal after appeal after appeal.
They'll resource their club funds eventually they will run out and they can merge with Aberfeldie in the EDFL.
The contempt they have shown their players and the 17 other clubs in nothing short of extraordinary.
Let them become the new Tassie Team when Hawthorn's contract with Tassie expires.
Essendon at the end of this will be left penniless, destitute and eventually extinct and the Golden Boy will be the centre of some of their greatest ever on field successes and their greatest footy failure in history.
He has the potential to become and is fast becoming footy's biggest loser and destroyer in history.
Let them hide lies with more lies I say. Skata does stick to the rim in case he hasn't noticed even if you flush twice. Toilet brushes are becoming bristleless at Waco Hill. :lol :rollin :lol
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ESSENDON players were to receive 1500 injections of AOD-9604 and Thymosin, according to an AFL charging document seen by the Herald Sun. The document also states more than 16,500 doses of Colostrum and 8000 doses of Tribulus were planned. The revelations come as lawyers for Essendon and club officials James Hird, Mark Thompson, Dr ...
http://www.newsfiber.com/p/s/h?v=EZ2J4N89snbw%3D+ujqBnPUNs0k%3D
[Tribulus terrestris is a flowering plant in the family Zygophyllaceae, native to warm temperate and tropical regions of the Old World in southern Europe, southern Asia, throughout Africa, and Australia.[2] It can thrive even in desert climates and poor soil. Like many weedy species, this plant has many common names, including bindii,[3] bullhead,[4] burra gokharu, caltrop,[1] cat's head,[1][3] devil's eyelashes,[5] devil's thorn,[1][5] devil's weed,[1] goathead,[1] puncturevine,[1] and tackweed.[6]
. terrestris has been shown to enhance sexual behavior in an animal model.[15] It appears to do so by stimulating androgen receptors in the brain.T. terrestris is now being promoted as a booster for the purpose of increasing sex drive. Its use for this purpose originated from a Bulgarian study conducted in the 1970s, which found effects on free testosterone and luteinizing hormone in men belonging to infertile couples.[citation needed] A research review conducted in 2000 stated that the lack of data outside of this study prevents generalizing to healthy individuals [16]
Animal studies in rats, rabbits and primates have demonstrated that administration of Tribulus terrestris extract can produce statistically significant increases in levels of testosterone, dihydrotestosterone and dehydroepiandrosterone,[17] and produces effects suggestive of aphrodisiac activity.[15] On the other hand, one recent study found that T. terrestris caused no increase in testosterone or LH in young men,[18] and another found that a commercial supplement containing androstenedione and herbal extracts, including T. terrestris, was no more effective at raising testosterone levels than androstenedione alone.[19]
The active chemical in T. terrestris is likely to be protodioscin (PTN).[20] In a study with mice, T. terrestris was shown to enhance mounting activity and erection better than testosterone cypionate;[citation needed] however, testosterone cypionate is a synthetic ester of testosterone engineered for its longer activity, rather than an immediate effect. Testosterone cypionate has a half-life of 8 days and is administered every 2–4 weeks in humans for testosterone replacement.[21] The proerectile aphrodisiac properties were concluded to likely be due to the release of nitric oxide from the nerve endings innervating the corpus cavernosum penis.[citation needed] Also, T. terrestris was shown to have strong inhibitory activity on COX-2.[22]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribulus_terrestris
Colostrum (also known colloquially as beestings,[1] bisnings[2] or first milk) is a form of milk produced by the mammary glands of mammals (including humans) in late pregnancy. Most species will generate colostrum just prior to giving birth. Colostrum contains antibodies to protect the newborn against disease, as well as being lower in fat[3] and higher in protein than ordinary milk.
ome athletes have used colostrum in an attempt to improve their performance[31] decrease recovery time,[32] and prevent sickness during peak performance levels.[33][34] Thus, supplementation with bovine colostrum (20 g/d) in combination with exercise training for 8 wk may increase bone-free lean body mass in active men and women.[31][35]
Low IGF-1 levels may be associated with dementia in the very elderly, although causation has not been established.[36] People with eating disorders also have low levels of IGF-1 due to malnutrition,[37] as do obese individuals.[38] Supplementation with colostrum, which is rich in IGF-1, can be a useful part of a weight reduction program.[citation needed] Although IGF-1 is not absorbed intact by the body, it does stimulate the production of IGF-1 when taken as a supplement.[39]
Colostrum also has antioxidant components, such as lactoferrin[40] and hemopexin, which binds free heme in the body.[41]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colostrum#Hyperimmune_colostrum
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Queens Counsel cost money. Drag on Supreme Court, High Court etc.
With funding required for Tullamarine $$$$$ at a premium at Waco Hill. :lol :rollin :lol
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Hate to say but looks like the only way the afl will win IS If they drag it on and on and on....... until essendon is reduced to financial desolation. Battles are short but wars are long and the dollar is king.
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Essendon warned about anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 at crisis meeting in February
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-warned-about-anti-obesity-drug-aod-9604-at-crisis-meeting-in-february/story-fndv8gad-1226698058586?from=trendinglinks
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Essendon captain Jobe Watson has been warned not to antagonise ASADA after he agreed to put his name to a club-penned statement which said the Bombers players felt "fully vindicated" after the AFL announced it would not yet be charging them with prohibited drug violations.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jobe-watson-warned-over-asada-20130815-2rzn6.html#ixzz2c3wsXqRJ
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Fairfax Media has learnt that the letter issued by the AFL's solicitors after Hird was charged on Tuesday asserts that the coach was injected with tanning drug Melanotan II - a substance that also claims to keep users thin and boost libido. But no such assertion is made about Hexarelin, a peptide prohibited for use by athletes in World Anti-Doping Agency-compliant sports.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/hexarelin-not-among-hird-charges-20130815-2rzm8.html#ixzz2c40NHVKC
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Essendon doctor Bruce Reid kept in the dark over injections
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-doctor-bruce-reid-kept-in-the-dark-over-injections/story-fnca0u4y-1226698058347
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THE AFL on Tuesday gave Bruce Reid a devil's choice: retire as Essendon's club doctor or be publicly accused, among other things, of allowing footballers under your care to be administered with a banned substance.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/bruce-reids-angry-rebuff-to-retirement-offer/story-fnca0u4y-1226698064909
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nd the equally concerning claim that some sort of a sports science experiment had been conducted at Essendon was too plausible to be ignored. Whether we will ever know the full details or not, it’s clear that something went badly wrong.
When the AFL sits down to consider the extent to which Essendon officials brought the game into disrepute, I hope they will consider the wider ethical implications of what has occurred.
In many regards, the issue of whether the Essendon players received a boost from the program is irrelevant. The reality is we don’t know whether AOD-9064, thymosin beta-4 or CJC-1295 enhances performance.
The chances are that they don’t work, or if they do, we don’t know whether it’s purely down to the placebo effect. But that’s not the point.
Those who prescribed the drug and those who condoned its use neither had evidence for its safety nor its efficacy. The clinical trials of AOD-9064 only established that it was an inefficient anti-obesity drug. And that was within bounds that appear to have been fantastically exceeded in the Essendon program.
The bottom line is that due to a lack of evidence, no-one could be sure whether it was safe to administer AOD-9064 in large quantities to a group of fit young footballers. Neither could anyone predict the outcome.
http://theconversation.com/human-experimentation-and-ethics-at-essendon-football-club-15550
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ESSENDON players were to receive 1500 injections of AOD-9604 and Thymosin, according to an AFL charging document seen by the Herald Sun. The document also states more than 16,500 doses of Colostrum and 8000 doses of Tribulus were planned. The revelations come as lawyers for Essendon and club officials James Hird, Mark Thompson, Dr ...
http://www.newsfiber.com/p/s/h?v=EZ2J4N89snbw%3D+ujqBnPUNs0k%3D
[Tribulus terrestris is a flowering plant in the family Zygophyllaceae, native to warm temperate and tropical regions of the Old World in southern Europe, southern Asia, throughout Africa, and Australia.[2] It can thrive even in desert climates and poor soil. Like many weedy species, this plant has many common names, including bindii,[3] bullhead,[4] burra gokharu, caltrop,[1] cat's head,[1][3] devil's eyelashes,[5] devil's thorn,[1][5] devil's weed,[1] goathead,[1] puncturevine,[1] and tackweed.[6]
. terrestris has been shown to enhance sexual behavior in an animal model.[15] It appears to do so by stimulating androgen receptors in the brain.T. terrestris is now being promoted as a booster for the purpose of increasing sex drive. Its use for this purpose originated from a Bulgarian study conducted in the 1970s, which found effects on free testosterone and luteinizing hormone in men belonging to infertile couples.[citation needed] A research review conducted in 2000 stated that the lack of data outside of this study prevents generalizing to healthy individuals [16]
Animal studies in rats, rabbits and primates have demonstrated that administration of Tribulus terrestris extract can produce statistically significant increases in levels of testosterone, dihydrotestosterone and dehydroepiandrosterone,[17] and produces effects suggestive of aphrodisiac activity.[15] On the other hand, one recent study found that T. terrestris caused no increase in testosterone or LH in young men,[18] and another found that a commercial supplement containing androstenedione and herbal extracts, including T. terrestris, was no more effective at raising testosterone levels than androstenedione alone.[19]
The active chemical in T. terrestris is likely to be protodioscin (PTN).[20] In a study with mice, T. terrestris was shown to enhance mounting activity and erection better than testosterone cypionate;[citation needed] however, testosterone cypionate is a synthetic ester of testosterone engineered for its longer activity, rather than an immediate effect. Testosterone cypionate has a half-life of 8 days and is administered every 2–4 weeks in humans for testosterone replacement.[21] The proerectile aphrodisiac properties were concluded to likely be due to the release of nitric oxide from the nerve endings innervating the corpus cavernosum penis.[citation needed] Also, T. terrestris was shown to have strong inhibitory activity on COX-2.[22]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribulus_terrestris
Colostrum (also known colloquially as beestings,[1] bisnings[2] or first milk) is a form of milk produced by the mammary glands of mammals (including humans) in late pregnancy. Most species will generate colostrum just prior to giving birth. Colostrum contains antibodies to protect the newborn against disease, as well as being lower in fat[3] and higher in protein than ordinary milk.
ome athletes have used colostrum in an attempt to improve their performance[31] decrease recovery time,[32] and prevent sickness during peak performance levels.[33][34] Thus, supplementation with bovine colostrum (20 g/d) in combination with exercise training for 8 wk may increase bone-free lean body mass in active men and women.[31][35]
Low IGF-1 levels may be associated with dementia in the very elderly, although causation has not been established.[36] People with eating disorders also have low levels of IGF-1 due to malnutrition,[37] as do obese individuals.[38] Supplementation with colostrum, which is rich in IGF-1, can be a useful part of a weight reduction program.[citation needed] Although IGF-1 is not absorbed intact by the body, it does stimulate the production of IGF-1 when taken as a supplement.[39]
Colostrum also has antioxidant components, such as lactoferrin[40] and hemopexin, which binds free heme in the body.[41]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colostrum#Hyperimmune_colostrum
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8707161
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Detailed charges imminent: Demetriou
By Ben Guthrie8:04am AEST Friday, August 16, 2013
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Full coverage of the Essendon supplement scandal
THE AFL hopes to make the specifics of the charges levelled against Essendon public in the next couple of days.
League chief Andrew Demetriou said it was in the best interests of the game to make the charges against Essendon, coach James Hird, club doctor Bruce Reid, football manager Danny Corcoran and senior assistant Mark Thompson available to the public.
Click here for our full coverage of the Essendon supplement scandal
"It's our intention to get the charges out in the public domain so that the people understand what lays behind the charges and the particulars of the charges," Demetriou told 774 ABC radio on Friday morning.
"Hopefully we'll do that in the coming days, because I think that it's important and it will answer a lot of questions."
The Bombers and the four officials will face an AFL commission hearing on August 26.
The whole thing is laughable: Dank
Despite the prospect of lengthy legal battles preceding that date, Demetriou said he hoped the issue would be finalised then and there.
Hird 'shattered' by charges
"I hope so. As we sit here, we're of the understanding that that hearing is to go ahead," Demetriou said.
"I hope it is for the game. These are serious changes. Our obligation is to protect the integrity of the game."
"I would hope we would try to get it resolved, for the sake of the game."
Demetriou said it was his intention to sit on the Commission's board later this month, despite a perceived conflict of interest.
"I don't think [there is a conflict of interest] and that will be up to advice from lawyers," he said.
"I don't see any reason why I'm conflicted," he said.
The League boss also corrected claims that the interim ASADA report could not be used at the hearing.
He said the plan was to refer to ASADA's report in the hearing.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-16/more-charges-imminent
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If these drug taking idiots stuff up this finals series for us there will be a strong chance they'll overtake the cheating scum as my most hated team.
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If they play and win in the first week of finals, they will become the most hated team in AFL history.
Especially if they are proven to be guilty.
The eliminated club would be absolutely ropeable.
17 clubs and their supporters will have hatred in their hearts. >:(
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Haha
Emergency Essendon meeting planned as players' health fears grow
August 16, 2013 - 11:50AM
Essendon has called another emergency meeting of parents and partners of the club's playing group in the wake of the latest drug revelations surrounding the Bombers.
The club is facing a backlash from concerned families of players – particularly from a number of partners who have become pregnant over the past two seasons.
According to a former senior club figure, a number of players have kept some of their medical records – including blood tests – and are now seeking independent medical advice.
"I know of several players who have taken blood tests outside of the club in the past few months," said the individual, who has been closely involved with Essendon for more than a decade.
"One player has a had a fertility test, a sperm count, and that will be monitored over coming years. The players are concerned with reports that some of the substances that have been given to them may impact their fertility in the next five, 10 or even 15 years from now."
The meeting – to be held at Windy Hill at 6pm on Tuesday – follows a Fairfax Media report that club officials have been unable to tell either their players or ASADA exactly what
drugs they were given when they were injected with a substance bought overseas by a Melbourne man suffering from muscular dystrophy.
It is believed the club will tell concerned parents the mystery drug was sourced from New Mexico, not Mexico, as reported.
The club cannot, however establish exactly what was injected and whether there are long-term health concerns or the substance illegal for use in sport.
The email sent to the families of past and present players states: "The club executive would like to welcome back parents, partners and players from the 2012-2013 season."
It also states: "We are once again seeking your support in recognising the importance of keeping this meeting confidential."
It has been widely reported that a number of Essendon players were "shaken" after their initial ASADA interviews, during which some were told of potential long-term health impacts, including infertility and possible birth defects in children.
With a number of players now keeping private medical records, Essendon faces the possibility of future legal action from the playing group if such health impacts materialise.
"There are a lot of questions from some very angry and upset family members that need to be answered," said one individual, who allowed Fairfax to read the club email. "This is the real human tragedy that may emerge from all this."
Fairfax Media has also learned that a group of former club players and officials is considering calling an extraordinary general meeting of members to vote on a spill of the club's board.
It believed that the signatures of 100 members are needed to call the EGM.
"It's very difficult at Essendon," said the former senior official. "A very small selection of coterie groups actually controls the club and the board as many regular members never vote.
"We would need the support of a very large number of everyday members to bring some real change to the place, and take it out of the control of the hands of a very small number of people who are the powerbrokers at the club."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essendon-bombers/emergency-essendon-meeting-planned-as-players-health-fears-grow-20130816-2s0y5.html#ixzz2c5t0kGcg
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But they're innocent :banghead
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17 clubs and their supporters will have hatred in their hearts. >:(
Think a number already do
Most clubs are not happy with what the Bombers are doing.
They are treating the entire competition with contempt.
Which means by extension they are treating all the other clubs, players and as importantly the fans with utter contempt
Any ounce of respect I had for the EFC and its players is now completely gone
They are quite frankly an absolute disgrace and blight on this game that I love
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Anyone know if the AFL can just take essendons licence away?
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i think they do have that power, but what it entails to actually achieve i dont know.
I also doubt it would happen, as the TV deal is based on certain amount of games.
InB4 "bendigo bombers"
Don't be stupid!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5saOSQ-963Y
2013.08.14 - AFL 360 - Essendon ASADA Investigation
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Fairfax Media has also learned that a group of former club players and officials is considering calling an extraordinary general meeting of members to vote on a spill of the club's board.
It believed that the signatures of 100 members are needed to call the EGM.
"It's very difficult at Essendon," said the former senior official. "A very small selection of coterie groups actually controls the club and the board as many regular members never vote.
"We would need the support of a very large number of everyday members to bring some real change to the place, and take it out of the control of the hands of a very small number of people who are the powerbrokers at the club."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essend...players-health-fears-grow-20130816-2s0y5.htm
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i think they do have that power, but what it entails to actually achieve i dont know.
I also doubt it would happen, as the TV deal is based on certain amount of games.
InB4 "bendigo bombers"
Don't be stupid!
Tassie. Get it done AFL. :clapping
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Essendon have a history of deceit and sculduggery.
I had some posts bookmarked from the old Big Footy detailing how essendown shafted north by reneging on deal when North first wanted to enter the VFL. (lost the bookmarks when they changed software :( )
An old mate who is was an essendon supporter told me once how essendon took a dive against footscray ( the players were all given expensive watches or something) in a game to determine whether footscray would be allowed into the VFL. They subsequently belted Footscray in the first game of the season after they were admitted.
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17 clubs and their supporters will have hatred in their hearts. >:(
Think a number already do
Most clubs are not happy with what the Bombers are doing.
They are treating the entire competition with contempt.
Which means by extension they are treating all the other clubs, players and as importantly the fans with utter contempt
Any ounce of respect I had for the EFC and its players is now completely gone
They are quite frankly an absolute disgrace and blight on this game that I love
There are a number of people responsible for the initial wrong doings,however it is now one man (i use the term "Man" loosely) responsible for the continuation of this saga.
James Hird has behaved as a delusional, frightened, financially confident rabbit with no regard for his so called friends and colleagues and less for the organisation that governs 17 other brands, which in turn cater to the survival of both families and individual livelihoods.
If this were a society case that was to eventuate in him being convicted and jailed,
he would be referred to as a "rat" or "dog" by inmates and most likely placed in protective custody, ironically for his own well being.
Whilst some factions of the media have described him as resilient, time has exposed the cold, hard fact that he is a coward hiding behind his minders.
A drowning soul scrambling over the less guilty, in a quest for personal longevity.
Reputedly an articulate man of high intelligence and honor, who now appears a stark contrast to the obviously feigned appearance that was once his legacy.
Disappointing, James.....
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Essendon Football Club has invited parents, partners and players from the 2012 and 2013 season for an update on the ongoing ASADA investigation next week.
Contrary to media reports, this briefing is part of the Club's commitment to keep the parents, partners and players up to date with the status of the investigation.
It is also an opportunity for the parents and partners of the players to be officially introduced to new chairman Paul Little for the first time.
Tea, scones and Hexarelin will be provided.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-08-16/player-parents-meeting
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yeeees oe :clapping :clapping :clapping
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/new-evidence-backs-bombers-mexico-link-20130816-2s1u1.html (http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/new-evidence-backs-bombers-mexico-link-20130816-2s1u1.html)
Today, Fairfax Media published comments that Essendon lawyer Tony Hargreaves made on Thursday and which challenged earlier reports that some players had been given an unknown supplement sourced in Mexico from a man with a muscle wasting disease.
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Mr Hargreaves said he had made his Thursday comments after he had spoken to the patient in question and had been told that supplements were sourced from a neurosurgeon in the United States.
But this afternoon, Mr Hargreaves said he had received fresh information today.
"The information I based the request for a retraction on was based on a conversation I had [with a party closely involved in this matter] on Thursday. Since that time, further information has arrived that cast some doubt on whether what I was told was accurate.’’
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17 clubs and their supporters will have hatred in their hearts. >:(
Think a number already do
Most clubs are not happy with what the Bombers are doing.
They are treating the entire competition with contempt.
Which means by extension they are treating all the other clubs, players and as importantly the fans with utter contempt
Any ounce of respect I had for the EFC and its players is now completely gone
They are quite frankly an absolute disgrace and blight on this game that I love
There are a number of people responsible for the initial wrong doings,however it is now one man (i use the term "Man" loosely) responsible for the continuation of this saga.
James Hird has behaved as a delusional, frightened, financially confident rabbit with no regard for his so called friends and colleagues and less for the organisation that governs 17 other brands, which in turn cater to the survival of both families and individual livelihoods.
If this were a society case that was to eventuate in him being convicted and jailed,
he would be referred to as a "rat" or "dog" by inmates and most likely placed in protective custody, ironically for his own well being.
Whilst some factions of the media have described him as resilient, time has exposed the cold, hard fact that he is a coward hiding behind his minders.
A drowning soul scrambling over the less guilty, in a quest for personal longevity.
Reputedly an articulate man of high intelligence and honor, who now appears a stark contrast to the obviously feigned appearance that was once his legacy.
Disappointing, James.....
Excellent post. :clapping :clapping
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i am so sick of Robbo/Jabba and his essendon biased crap.
Honestly he is as dillusional as every other Bomber supporter that i have ever listened to.
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Bomber SOS targets Sheedy
Caroline Wilson
The Age
August 17, 2013
Four-time premiership coach Kevin Sheedy and recently departed Collingwood football director Geoff Walsh have emerged as two pillars of the Bombers' behind-the-scenes plans to rebuild the club beyond its drug scandal.
And one of the Bombers' most powerful supporter groups has made an overture to Paul Roos, urging him not to consider a return to coaching before talking with Essendon should James Hird be forced to resign.
Fairfax Media understands Hird was told of an Essendon approach to Roos and this, in part, strained the relationship with his long-time friend and former chairman David Evans.
However, the approach was made by a member of the powerful coterie group, the Red and Blacks, as a contingency plan not sanctioned by the board.
Walsh, who walked out of Collingwood last month, was contacted by an Essendon intermediary on the day of his resignation. That intermediary told Walsh he was calling on behalf of the club's interim chief, Ray Gunston.
Sheedy, whose negotiations to remain at Greater Western Sydney have not been resolved, has been approached by another powerful coterie, the Essendonians.
The as-yet-unofficial offer, which the board is aware of, involves an ambassadorial and morale-boosting role as the club works to rebuild its damaged brand. Sheedy was told the potential job would see him working in part inside the Bombers' football department.
Walsh would step straight into the role of football operations head next season should he accept the job. While current football chief Danny Corcoran has chosen to fight the misconduct charges laid against him rather than resign, the prevailing view is that Hird's long-time sidekick is unlikely to remain at the club next season.
The Essendon board regards Corcoran as more culpable for the corporate governance failures over 2011 and 2012 than club doctor Bruce Reid or senior assistant Mark Thompson, both
of whom have chosen to contest misconduct charges rather than resign with blemishes on their reputations.
Walsh, who has also been approached by Melbourne and North Melbourne, told the Bombers he would not consider any offers for some months, if at all. He refused to comment to Fairfax Media.
Roos, who has also been offered the senior coaching roles at the Brisbane Lions and Melbourne, would command about $1.5 million.
Hird is understood to command about $1 million and has remained determined not to stand aside as he faces charges of allowing the administering of banned substances to his players.
Thompson returned to the Bombers from Geelong on a contract worth an estimated $650,000 a year.
The Bombers have continued to fire legal salvos at the AFL, refusing to accept charges involving banned substances.
The club faces massive insurance issues along with potential legal disputes involving players and staff. Should the banned substance charges stick, the club could also lose major sponsors, including its $3 million-a-year partner Kia.
Essendon did not return calls from Fairfax Media on Friday night.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bomber-sos-targets-sheedy-20130816-2s2cv.html#ixzz2c9R2Hkx8
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Patrick Smith gives Hird a rightful massive whack! :clapping
Heroes can be fallible but James Hird shapes as the fool on the Hill
PATRICK SMITH
The Australian
August 17, 2013
Compare that clarity and stark sophistication [of Voss] to Hird's behaviour. On February 5, as the story of Essendon's uncontrolled supplements program broke, he told the world that he would accept full responsibility for what happened in his football department. Since that moment, he has carefully manoeuvred himself so that he has accepted not one dollop of culpability for what his club's own review revealed was chemical chaos within his high-performance program.
Rather, he has maintained that nothing at Windy Hill was amiss and that all would be made clear when the ASADA-AFL investigation ended. The truth will out was his mantra. Well, ASADA has filed a report on its findings of the Essendon investigation and now moved on to Cronulla in the NRL and its alleged use of banned substances.
On Tuesday, Essendon's Four Aminos -- Hird, club doctor Bruce Reid, senior assistant coach Mark Thompson and football manager Danny Corcoran -- were charged in general with bringing the game into disrepute. Specifically, in the first of some 20 supporting charges the Four Aminos are accused of either allowing players to be administered with banned substances or being unable to demonstrate what substances they were given.
Damning evidence, of course, for Hird and his stance is that the club called a meeting of parents to explain what happened. It was explained that the club -- the Four Aminos included -- could not definitively say what drugs the players had been administered or what specific long-term health concerns might therefore be in play.
Hird should have stood down then. That is if he was to take full responsibility -- hell, any responsibility -- for what happened to his players in season 2012. He didn't and from that moment Hird placed himself above both his club and the game. Essendon and Hird's lawyers are desperate to avoid any hearing or public release of the charges they face. The truth will win out?
The defence of faithful but emotionally compromised supporters bellows that every one of the Four Aminos is a fine and noble person. And it is true. Reid is a highly regarded doctor who has been at the club since 1987, Hird has been touted as a future AFL commissioner, Thompson is a much respected premiership coach and player and Danny Corcoran is one solid individual.
But that does not mean they don't make mistakes, errors of judgment, don't take things for granted, don't bow to people on reputations alone, don't get swallowed up by hype and hubris. It doesn't intrinsically save them from chasing their lofty goals and in their huff and puff trample proper process. Nor does it give them the right to think they are above being held to account.
Hird's belief that he has done -- and cannot do -- no wrong is hurting his reputation and that of his club by the day. It could have been so different.
There were obviously governance issues at Essendon in 2012. Hird said he would take responsibility for them. Had he done that, accepted whatever penalty that came with his admission of fault and apologised then he would have been seen as a man who saw a failing, could recognise and then remedy it.
Hird has a problem. Heroes can look flawed and fallible. A dropped mark here, an errant kick there. But heroes don't look stupid and engorged with arrogance. History's judgment might be that Hird is no hero, just the fool on the Hill.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/heroes-can-be-fallible-but-james-hird-shapes-as-the-fool-on-the-hill/story-e6frfkp9-1226698782053#ixzz2c9W9u3pZ
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Doping probe at risk of collapse
by: CHIP LE GRAND
From: The Australian
August 17, 2013
THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's six-month investigation into the alleged systematic use of peptides at AFL club Essendon and Cronulla in the NRL is at risk of collapse if lawyers acting for James Hird succeed in challenging the legality of ASADA's decision to involve the major football codes in its search for evidence of doping.
The Weekend Australian can reveal the NRL reluctantly agreed, under pressure from ASADA, for one of its officials to be present during player interviews at Cronulla. The presence of the NRL's newly appointed integrity boss, Nick Weeks, during last week's interviews of Sharks players is modelled on the role played by AFL investigator Abraham Haddad during interviews of Essendon players and officials.
Weeks, a respected lawyer and administrator, and Haddad, a former UN investigator, bring impressive credentials to the ASADA probe.
Haddad's presence during the Essendon interviews allowed investigators under AFL rules to seize the mobile phones of Essendon officials, including Hird.
However, ASADA's decision to conduct joint investigations with the AFL and NRL into the use of peptides in their respective codes has exposed ASADA to the possibility that it is operating in breach of its own Act and the National Anti-Doping Scheme.
Read more: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/doping-probe-at-risk-of-collapse/story-fnca0u4y-1226698786742
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WTF!!
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WTF!!
It's just a lot of wishful assumptions (ifs, possibilities, maybes, hinges on whethers, ...) added together by some Hird camp legal rep. :sleep.
"if lawyers acting for James Hird succeed in challenging the legality of ASADA's decision to involve the major football codes ..."
"ASADA's decision to conduct joint investigations with the AFL and NRL ... has exposed ASADA to the possibility that it is operating in breach of its own Act ..."
"Hird's primary case against ASADA hinges on whether ASADA broke its own act by including the AFL as an investigative partner and whether its 400-page interim report contravenes the confidentiality provisions of the National Anti-Doping Scheme."
"If Hird succeeds in his legal challenge against ASADA, all material other than the Switkowski report would be inadmissible as evidence."
"Martin Hardie, an administrative law expert with Deakin University now advising Cronulla and Essendon on the complexities of anti-doping codes"
Ed. So this article is based on the views of the Hird camp. Surprise surprise it tries to dismiss the ASADA investigation and AFL charges.
"Where ASADA is meant to conduct its affairs with strict confidentiality, its investigation of Essendon has leaked like a faulty burette. As Hardie said: "Information is not being kept confidential. Whoever is leaking this, whether it is the AFL or the cops or ASADA, is subject to two years' jail.""
Ed. what about the leaking from the Hird and Essendon camps :whistle
"The AFL this week confirmed that on the evidence gathered by ASADA, no Essendon player has an anti-doping case to answer. Now for the case against ASADA."
Ed. Ummm .... once again a media report that incorrectly says the Essendon players are in the clear. They have only not received infraction notices at this stage.
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Ah, the lance Armstrong defense :clapping
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I want our players to be probed for today's performance
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I want our players to be probed for today's performance
Users are losers :shh :shh
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Bombers want to take this to court going by their President's comments today ....
Bomber allegations go way beyond the truth, says Essendon chairman
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
4:57pm AEST Saturday, August 17, 2013
ESSENDON has acknowledged it made mistakes last year but insists the club will not let some of the allegations laid against it this week "go unchallenged".
In his pre-match address to Bombers fans, chairman Paul Little continued to indicate Essendon would fight out of its crisis.
It came only days after the AFL laid charges against Essendon, coach James Hird, assistant Mark Thompson, football boss Danny Corcoran and doctor Bruce Reid for conduct unbecoming in relation to the supplements program at the club in 2011-12.
They are scheduled to face an AFL Commission hearing on August 26.
While admitting the club's errors could have repercussions, Little said the Bombers would search for the truth to be revealed.
"What I can say to you all as football followers is that we are fully aware that mistakes were made, particularly in the areas of management and governance which have now been effectively addressed," Little said.
"However, the nature of some of these allegations go way beyond what we believe is the truth, in particular with regard to the use of illegal substances.
"We cannot let these allegations go unchallenged.
"We owe a duty to our past and current players, supporters, members, sponsors and coaches to ensure that these matters are resolved equitably and in a timely manner."
Although some have speculated legal battles could draw the saga out for months, Little indicated the Bombers want to put it behind them as soon as possible.
Little also backed the individuals at the centre of the scandal.
"We will continue to do everything in our power to see that all parties are afforded justice and to ensure that the eventual outcomes are fair, reasonable and, importantly, reflect the facts, rather than the gossip, unsubstantiated allegations, and speculation and innuendo," Little said.
"The club acknowledges that James Hird, Mark Thompson, Danny Corcoran and Dr Bruce Reid are all decent people of outstanding character, each of whom has contributed positively not only to our club but to football in general.
"At all times these four individuals believed that any and all of the supplements used were compliant with the AFL's anti-doping code and ASADA and WADA regulations, as well as being in no way injurious to players.
"But again, let me be clear, not just to the Essendon faithful but to the Australian football public, there were shortcomings in internal management of the club and inadequacies in supervision of key individuals in certain areas.
"We also accept that these failings occurred at the club and there may well be repercussions."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-17/dons-will-fight-says-little
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According to Ch 7, Hird is now making demands to the AFL:
* Wants the charges not to be heard sooner than two weeks after the Grand Final.
* Independent tribunal to run the hearing; not the AFL commission.
* The Hearing to be open.
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See no evil; hear no evil; speak no evil
;D
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* The Hearing to be open.
Agree with Jimmy on this
Should be open so there can be no doubt as to contempt, arrogance and disdain he holds the entire competition and its fans in
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* The Hearing to be open.
Agree with Jimmy on this
Should be open so there can be no doubt as to contempt, arrogance and disdain he holds the entire competition and its fans in
:clapping
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The same Jimmy that doesn't want the report to be read by the public :whistle
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The same Jimmy that doesn't want the report to be read by the public :whistle
The public don't have to read it we can just tune in for 1 hr a day and get a chapter read out by Robbo on AFL 360 and get the real juicy stuff read out every Wednesday night on The Hangar to comply with Hird's request. :thumbsup
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robbo is so pro-EFC, like Tim Watson, Mark fine etc. it is hard not to vomit
some of the crap he talks on radio is unimpressive
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robbo is so pro-EFC, like Tim Watson, Mark fine etc. it is hard not to vomit
Robbo is okay Tim Watson makes me want to puke.
Finey would be great.
Jack Elliott would be good too. I'd even buy him a pack of limp to smoke while reading it. :thumbsup
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robbo/finey/watson are all fools and very biased.
Im amazed Watson still talks about these guys being his friends when they dont know exactly what they have injected his son with.
I would be out for blood if that was my kid, but that's just me.
The fallout will begin with the departure of TBC and if i was the RFC i would target him as a Free agent.
perfect foil for Jack and a perfect replacement for Maric.
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THE AFL seems certain to call James Hird's bluff on his demand for an independent panel to hear charges against Essendon, and only after the Grand Final.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-set-to-reject-james-hirds-demand-for-an-independent-hearing-after-the-grand-final/story-fndv8gad-1226699553987
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/why-no-doping-charges-for-players-yet-the-law.1026373/
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Demetriou should have made his move the morning after the Jobe interview. Going by the sounds of the interim report, the AFL has no more information now than it did 3 or 4 months ago. It seems that the commercial interests of the game probably prevented the AFL from moving sooner.
In the end though, the decision to get Essendon to play all of it's h & a games before doing anything has ended up causing more harm than good.
Demetriou's management of this matter has been appalling, yet it seems the AFL Commission is backing him. I would love to see Jimmy Hird take the AFL to court and outline the case as to why Demetriou should not sit in judgement of him as part of the AFL commission.
I wonder if Vlad would support an open hearing of that case?
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Ch7's Mark Stevens reported that the Bombers are talking to the AFL - peace talks he said
Chairman Little said they will continue to talk to the AFL between now and next week
Tom Browne is saying that Hirds lawyers are saying he is likely to get an extension, EFC hearing to go ahead but Hird likely to be given more time to put together his case. If he gets the extension that won't start legal action
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http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-19/hird-camp-considers-options
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(http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/heppell-injury-stumps-bombers-20130819-2s73u.html)
more long term drug usage effects
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Now that the AFL have bowed to the EFC threats of legal actions I am convinced that our once great game is officially stuffed
:banghead
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Yes :clapping
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Bomber "im 90% innocent" Thompson
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Now that the AFL have bowed to the EFC threats of legal actions I am convinced that our once great game is officially stuffed
:banghead
good luck to anyone who gets beaten by them. The only game i want these cheating pricks to win is this coming Saturday
gee i hope we play these pricks in the final.
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Bomber "im 90% innocent" Thompson
What does that mean exactly?
After saying that he then said "we are all responsible". So which is it?
Is it - "we are responsible?"
or is it - "it's not our fault"
Or was hedging his bets and suggesting - "I'm only a little bit guilty"
Please give me a break :banghead
And can I say I am actually more angry at the AFL right now than the EFC.
Thought the league would have had more guts than this. It appears they've also agreed to not releasing details of the 25 charges. Sorry but we have a right to know what these charges are
Clearly the EFC are going to be allowed to play finals and that is a disgrace. A deal will be done by Monday IMO, and it will be gutless, meaningless and shambolic
So much for the integrity of the competition
The comps integirty had been chipped away at for the last 18 odd months but last night because of the weakness of HQ it copped a sledgehammer.
Would have though we the major stakeholders being the fans deserved better
Well done AFL :banghead
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:thumbsup WP well said
I couldn't believe it when he said and i cant believe the AFL seem to be bowing to their demands.
Absolutely a deal will be done and if i was a betting man, id say they will cop 6 months
Gee i hope the Vlad gets the arse after this. He himself has brought the whole game down, on and off the field.
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Hird
"Natural justice will play out"
Client of the human rights lawyer seeking natural justice
:clapping
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Sports lawyer Paul Czarnota outlines how the AFL can prove charges against Essendon
Paul Czarnota
From: Herald Sun
August 20, 2013
THE AFL has charged Essendon and four officials with bringing the sport into disrepute. What do these charges mean and what will be the likely outcome?
First some background.
AFL rule 1.6 1.provides that: "A person must not engage in conduct which is unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interest or reputation of the AFL or bring the game of football into disrepute.''
Therefore, the AFL is concerned, not only with conduct which actually brings the game into disrepute, but also conduct likely to do so.
Overall, the rules fail to conclusively define what conduct (aside from criminal conduct) will violate the disrepute clause.
Despite references to James Hird and company being "charged'' with "offences'', they are technically being provided notice of alleged contractual breaches.
Therefore, ordinary principles of contract interpretation apply in determining whether the "charges'' are proven.
This involves ascertaining the meaning of the contractual words (''bringing the game of football into disrepute'') as understood by a reasonable person, having regard to relevant background information, including the commercial context and the sporting market.
The AFL is increasingly a big commercial machine and any unsavoury behaviour which could jeopardise its profitability or success is frowned upon.
Precisely what conduct will violate the disrepute clause has yet to be determined by a Victorian court.
However, such charges will likely be determined according to whether the Commission is "comfortably satisfied'' (a standard "below beyond reasonable doubt'') that the sport has been, or is likely to be, significantly lowered in the eyes of the general public (ie, they think "less or poorly'' of the game).
AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon has indicated no infraction notices for Anti-Doping Rule violations were being issued against Essendon players at this time.
Essendon has released its own statement confirming the charges laid, and stating all charges would be "vigorously defended''.
Proving a breach of the disrepute clause can be problematic.
In swimmer Nick D'Arcy's case, the Court of Arbitration for Sport paid due regard to the "voluminous number of media reports that have accompanied his misconduct'' which it stated ``could not help but be likely to bring him into disrepute''.
Similar evidence could be tendered by the AFL, as could the Switkowski report.
Ziggy Switkowski considered there were various failings in Essendon's governance systems, noting (among other things) the: "rapid diversification into exotic supplements, sharp increase in frequency of injections, the shift to treatment offsite in alternative medicine clinics, emergence of unfamiliar suppliers, marginalisation of traditional medical staff (which) combine to create a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented''.
In response to Switkowski's report, the AFLPA released a statement labelling the report "incredibly disturbing to read'' and emphasising that: "No AFL Player should ever go to work in an environment which can be described as 'pharmacologically experimental' with potential exposure to 'exotic compounds.'''
While welcoming news there were no infraction notices issued on any players, Essendon conceded that "the club and individuals have made mistakes and that our governance and people management had significant gaps''.
Based on the above, it appears more likely than not the AFL Commission would find that (at the very least) Essendon has violated the disrepute clause.
Assuming the Commission finds any charges proved, courts have been reluctant to interfere with decisions of sporting associations, particularly where the league's rules provide a grievance procedure which affords natural justice (ie, a right to legal representation and a fair and unbiased adjudicator), and such rules have been exercised for a proper and "bona fide'' purpose.
Any litigation following the Commission's decision will examine whether these legal rights have been afforded to Essendon & Co.
Paul Czarnota is a solicitor with Wisewould Mahony Lawyers who specialises in sports law.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/sports-lawyer-paul-czarnota-outlines-how-the-afl-can-prove-charges-against-essendon/story-fndv8gad-1226700160380#mm-breached
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However, such charges will likely be determined according to whether the Commission is "comfortably satisfied'' (a standard "below beyond reasonable doubt'') that the sport has been, or is likely to be, significantly lowered in the eyes of the general public (ie, they think "less or poorly'' of the game).
:clapping
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Now that the AFL have bowed to the EFC threats of legal actions I am convinced that our once great game is officially stuffed
:banghead
i thought all they had done was grant hird an extension to mount his defence?
has AD removed himself from the commission as requested?
has the request at an independent hearing been granted?
has the AFL said the hearing will be heard no less than 2 weeks after the Grand Final?
i've missed something :huh
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Now that the AFL have bowed to the EFC threats of legal actions I am convinced that our once great game is officially stuffed
:banghead
i thought all they had done was grant hird an extension to mount his defence?
has AD removed himself from the commission as requested?
has the request at an independent hearing been granted?
has the AFL said the hearing will be heard no less than 2 weeks after the Grand Final?
i've missed something :huh
gerks, you are correct that in simple terms all the AFL have done is at present given Hird and the other 3 an extension.
The EFC as yet haven't requested one but are likely to
But this saga isn't simple
The issue for me is the decision was made to avoid the threat of legal action.
Hird and his band of merry litigators made a number of demands and threatened to head off to the supreme court if his demands weren't met.
The AFL have given him more time not in the name of justice but because they didn't have the guts to take his legal team on and call their bluff.
The EFC like every other team in the comp have a license to play in the competition. That license has certain conditions and rules attached to it. Every Club are bound by those rules/conditions. The EFC suddenly don't like the conditions so they say "try and punsih us under the rules and we will head of to court". That is showing the comp nothing but contempt
The AFL have buckled and wimped out and given Hird what he wants all because they are so paraniod about their "brand" being damaged. What they fail to realise is their precious "brand" is now damaged in the eyes of some beyond repair
This mess needed to be sorted before the finals but now wont be so it depending on the penalties is likely to drag on into season 2014. The entire competition deserves better than this
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its better that essendon play finals. they wont win the flag. penalties will come into play for draft picks in 2013 and 2014. that will hurt them down the track.
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BRINGING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE
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If he hasn't done anything wrong, why does he need more time?
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The whole hearing has been adjourned to give Essendon more time to prepare their case. So the media are now running with the headline "Essendon will play finals this year". Caro is the only exception as she thinks a deal behind the scenes will be done before the finals where Essendon will accept not being in the finals so any punishment doesn't drag into 2014.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-20/dons-dday-delayed
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AFL New the drug was not prohibited!! Surely Vlads head will roll if this is true >:(
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3804605.htm
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ASADA told them not banned under S2. Never said go take it it's not banned at all. Hirdy's spin doctors :shh
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have told you boys a few times now ASADA are a farce of an organization and i said a while back something like this was going to happen.
What a complete stuff up by ASADA. Blackest day in Australian sport. hahahahahahah
get lost.
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Maybe they are actually innocent? #standbyhird
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Maybe they are actually innocent? #standbyhird
on AOD 9604 it would seem so
On the others who knows.
The biggest fools are that Labour MP and Dimwit who stood there in Feb as if the world was about to end. Those 2 deserve each other for royally screwing this up
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have told you boys a few times now ASADA are a farce of an organization and i said a while back something like this was going to happen.
What a complete stuff up by ASADA. Blackest day in Australian sport. hahahahahahah
get lost.
Why does aod get media attention over the other drugs?
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-secret-talks-20130820-2s9g7.html#ixzz2cVkYjhwA
stumbling block remains the club's refusal to accept that it oversaw a program that allowed illegal drugs to be administered to its players
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Richard Ings on twitter saying some interesting things
His opinion, views are the ones that carry the most weight for me.
Respect Whateley as he is a good journo but Ings' still stressing it is the WADA banned list not ASADAs
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111 pages what's the fixation wgaf
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Yep.
It's WADA's call.
Asada are $h!tmen.
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have told you boys a few times now ASADA are a farce of an organization and i said a while back something like this was going to happen.
What a complete stuff up by ASADA. Blackest day in Australian sport. hahahahahahah
get lost.
Why does aod get media attention over the other drugs?
Because the others are illegal. :thumbsup
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"Of all the substances that are known in this ASADA report, they gave a detailed outline as to what they were and the effects of those if there were any and those fears have been allayed."
He also said there were no substances that were still unknown "as to what they may or may not have been, or whether they were administered".
"Of all the information available to the club via the ASADA investigation, all those supplements have been cleared in terms of harmful effects on players," Tim Watson said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-20/we-want-explanation-watson
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-parents-assured-players-would-not-suffer-health-problems/story-fndv8gad-1226700955888
If there are no sustances still unknown then what was the name of this amino acid/Mexican drug, Timmy?
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Richard Ings on twitter saying some interesting things
His opinion, views are the ones that carry the most weight for me.
Respect Whateley as he is a good journo but Ings' still stressing it is the WADA banned list not ASADAs
Richard Ings @ringsau twitter:
"I have listened to Dr Garnham. (1) WADA determine what is banned or not. Not ASADA. It is the "WADA" banned list."
"(2) the wada decision on the status of AOD9604 is below.
http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/wada-statement-on-substance-aod-9604/"
"(3) If ASADA gave incorrect or incomplete advice in 2013 on AOD that advice would not have informed decisions in 2011/12 to use or not AOD."
"Finally ASADA has explaining to do, as I have tweeted previously, as to whether it gave incomplete advice on AOD at any time."
"Vey nice to finally hear AOD referred to tonight as a drug. It is not a supplement. It is a drug"
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Ings' point 3 is one of the key points for mine. Even if ASADA gave incorrect or incomplete advice in 2013 on AOD that advice would not have informed Essendon's decisions in 2011/12 to use AOD or not.
The other point is if everything was so fine and dandy then why did Essendon self-report itself in February 2013? If it's all allowed, then why is the Ziggy report so damning of Essendon's experimental program?
Just more Essendon spin from one of their consultants ::).
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"I have listened to Dr Garnham. (1) WADA determine what is banned or not. Not ASADA. It is the "WADA" banned list."
"(2) the wada decision on the status of AOD9604 is below.
http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/wada-statement-on-substance-aod-9604/"
"(3) If ASADA gave incorrect or incomplete advice in 2013 on AOD that advice would not have informed decisions in 2011/12 to use or not AOD."
"Finally ASADA has explaining to do, as I have tweeted previously, as to whether it gave incomplete advice on AOD at any time."
"Vey nice to finally hear AOD referred to tonight as a drug. It is not a supplement. It is a drug"
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Ings' point 3 is one of the key points for mine. Even if ASADA gave incorrect or incomplete advice in 2013 on AOD that advice would not have informed Essendon's decisions in 2011/12 to use AOD or not.
The other point is if everything was so fine and dandy then why did Essendon self-report itself in February 2013? If it's all allowed, then why is the Ziggy report so damning of Essendon's experimental program?
Just more Essendon spin from one of their consultants ::).
:bow
Very astute man is Richard Ings
Being the former head of ASADA Ings would know how the rules work and where things currently stand.
As I said what he says carries far more weight than the spin doctors of the EFC, AFL, ASADA and the ranting man man Robbo that we saw on AFL360 last night ;D
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But weren't you the one who defended ASADA the other day WP
I said they were pathetic from day one and this proves my point
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MMMM I thought they were told in 2012 it wasn't banned not 2013
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Someone reply to the following
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/thymosin-discussion-update-hs-8-8-dank-says-thymomodulin-kept-records.1003416/
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make it snappy
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But weren't you the one who defended ASADA the other day WP
I said they were pathetic from day one and this proves my point
Yes Daniel I did defend them, certainly haven't defended them after last nights debacle that was reported on AFL 360
But re-read my last post daniel I said that I respect the opinions of Richard Ings the former not current but the former head of ASADA. He was there when they didn't make such apparent stuff ups
I also think his opinions on where the case stands after last night's AFL360 story carry far more weight than Gerard Whately's opinion as he knows the hows and whys regarding what WADA can and cannot do. Whateley reported something and then gave his opinion as to where he believes things stand and go from here.
People may have missed it because Robbo was thumping tables and raving like a lunatic who hadn't had his meds ;D
As for Tim Watson, I am perplexed by the following statements:
First up he said this:
"Of all the substances that are known in this ASADA report, they gave a detailed outline as to what they were and the effects of those if there were any and those fears have been allayed."
Then he said:
He also said there were no substances that were still unknown "as to what they may or may not have been, or whether they were administered".
"Of all the information available to the club via the ASADA investigation, all those supplements have been cleared in terms of harmful effects on players," Tim Watson said.
How can you be given details of what the effects of supposedly "unknown" substances in the report are if they are "unknown"
So I ask which is it Tim? Are there still "unknown" substances or are they all "known" can't be both ::)
Unless of course you are the Donald Rumsfeld of the EFC & AFL
And IMO despite the on going debate about bloody AOD whatever it is called it still doesn't excuse the irresposible behaviour of the EFC and what they did to their players in using them as guinea pigs in program that was poorly planned and executed.
If Tim Watson the parent thinks what the EFC has done is OK then that's Tim's choice. Based on what heard this morning on SEN the only folks Tim seems to be angry with now is the AFL & ASADA. Yep he should be angry at them I would be too
But if I was a parent of one those players I'd still be as equally roperable towards the Club for what has happened because it is the club that implemented this program, not the AFL, not ASADA, not Caro, not Patrick Smith it was the EFC and they must be held to account.
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And let it begin - the real stuff ;D
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AFL releases Essendon charges
DateAugust 21, 2013 - 1:14PM
The AFL is releasing details of the charges against Essendon for bringing the game into disrepute, and is convening a meeting of all club presidents for Thursday.
A media release from the AFL advises that AFL Commission Chairman Mike Fitzpatrick has called a special meeting of the 18 AFL Club Presidents, to be held at AFL House at 3pm Thursday.
"Mr Fitzpatrick will brief the Club Presidents on the charges against the Essendon Football Club. The Statement of Grounds for the charges was forwarded to club presidents today for their information," the statement reads.
"In light of the importance of the AFL’s investigation and the legitimate interest of the public in matters pertaining to the integrity of the AFL competition, in the interests of transparency and so that the public can have an understanding of the nature of the charges relating to these matters, the AFL has decided to publish the Statement of Grounds for Essendon Football Club. The AFL notes that certain confidential parts of the Statement of Grounds have been redacted.
"The AFL highlights that the Statement of Grounds contains the charges only and their correctness or otherwise remains to be determined. The Essendon Football Club and all other parties will be given every reasonable opportunity to answer these charges."
There have been calls from commentators and former ASADA chief Richard Ings today for clarity from ASADA and the AFL on their knowledge of the status of the drug AOD-6904, after Essendon consultant, and former AFL anti-doping tribunal member Andrew Garnham told AFL 360 last night that ASADA had told him the anti-obesity drug central to the club's supplements saga was not a banned substance.
MORE TO COME
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-releases-essendon-charges-20130821-2saot.html#ixzz2cZQyc800
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"If the AFL has information about these unknown (substances) or ASADA don’t you think it is in the players’ health interests that they tell them what they are?" Watson asked on his SEN radio program Wednesday morning.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tim-watson-slams-afl-media-over-supplements-crisis-20130821-2sa27.html#ixzz2cZ0Evftp
dont you think the club shouldnt enjoy them full of unknown juice? what a moron is tim
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BOOM...let the Essendon fans get excited and then BANG back in ya box. :clapping
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big news:
---> http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/EssendonFC-notice-of-charges.pdf
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-21/afl-reveals-charges
:clapping :clapping
oh bhoy wowee big boy mcvoey
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:)
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From the HUN
AFL releases details of charges against Essendon Football Club and its senior officials
by: Michael Warner, Mark Robinson and Grant Baker
•From: Herald Sun
•August 21, 2013 1:17PM
THE AFL has today released its summary of charges against Essendon and its four most senior officials. Read the charge sheets here.
THE AFL has sensationally today released its summary of charges against Essendon, coach James Hird, senior assistant Mark Thompson, club doctor Bruce Reid and football manager Danny Corcoran.
AFL Commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick has also called a special meeting of the 18 club presidents for tomorrow.
League boss Andrew Demetriou will front the media at 2pm today.
The Herald Sun last Friday exclusively revealed details from the charge sheets.
The charge sheets include revelations that:
ESSENDON players were to receive 1500 injections of AOD-9604 and Thymosin and more than 16,500 doses of Colostrum and 8000 doses of Tribulus.
THE program was to push the legal limits.
THE program involved the use of allegedly ``beneficial'' and ``exotic'' compounds.
THE program's fitness strategy and use of supplements varied sharply to previous practices at Essendon.
IT involved injecting players with abnormal frequency.
THAT club figures were aware that the implementation of the program was determined without meaningful input from appropriately qualified people.
Which type of Thymosin – banned Beta 4 or permitted Thymosin Alpha is not specified in the charge sheets.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/former-afl-staffer-told-aod-9604-was-not-on-prohibited-substances-list/story-fni5f6kv-1226700139012
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:gobdrop :gobdrop
The Charge sheet is 34 pages long
;D ;D
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what a great day to be alive
http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/EssendonFC-notice-of-charges.pdf
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45. Hird was aware that, to his knowledge, Robinson took no record of the details of the
provision of the substance to Hird.
46. Following hisself-administration of injections of Melanotan II Hird suffered REDACTED
side effects. REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED REDACTE
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Hird walked round with a huge stiffy all day is what I took out of it all. :shh
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Reading it now, up to page 8 and it is damning
Also, the Age have found the Dr Reid's letter to Jimmy - it is almost more damning than the AFL thing. :gobdrop
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Dr Bruce Reid wrote to Hird about supplements 'problems'
DateAugust 21, 2013 - 1:45PM
Richard Baker, Nick McKenzie
Fairfax Media has obtained the full contents of the letter Dr Reid wrote to Hird and then assistant coach Paul Hamilton. It reveals that Dr Reid had major concerns about the sports science program being run at the club by Stephen Dank.
The full letter states:
Dear James/Paul
I have some fundamental problems being club doctor at present. This particularly applies to the administration of supplements. Although we have been giving supplements for approximately three months, despite repeated requests as to exactly what we are giving our players and the literature related to this, have at no time been given that until last Sunday [15 January 2012]. Last week the players were given subcutaneous injections, not by myself, and I had no idea that this was happening and also what drug was involved.
It appears to me that in Sydney with Rugby League the clubs do not answer to the governing body (e.g. A.F.L.). It seems that their whole culture is based on trying to beat the system as are close to the edge as one can. It is my belief in A.F.L. that we should be winning flags by keeping a drug free culture.
It is all very well to say this is not banned and that is not banned but for example, the injection that we have given our players subcutaneously, was a drug called AOD/9604, is an Oligomeric Peptide. This drug is derived from the growth hormone. This molecule has been constructed so it has removed what we call IGF1, which is part of the growth hormone that causes muscle and organ growth and bone length and photosynthesis.
It is at the moment used for fat metabolism but also bone strength in children and may have some side effects that may be beneficial in bone growth. This to me just seem ludicrous at this stage where the only trials I have got are on how to lost weight and fat around the abdomen.
If we are resorting to deliver this altered growth hormone molecule, I think we are playing at the edge and this will read extremely badly in the press for our club and for the benefits and also for side effects that are not known in the long term, I have trouble with all these drugs.
I am still not sure whether AOD/9604 is approved by the drug authorities in Australia at this stage. Just because it is not classified as illegal, doesn't mean that it can be used freely in the community, it cannot. The other interesting thing about AOD/9604, is that its market in America is in body builders. This also should raise a red flag if we are worried about perception.
When it comes to Actovegin, this has been used around the world for many years. There is some flimsy evidence that it may help in speeding up the healing of tendons when they are damaged, though after speaking to radiologists, the recent opinion is that platelets and one's own blood, probably does a better job. We are claiming that we should use it as a recovery agent. To me it seems ludicrous that a few mls of calf's blood spun down, is going to give you a concentration of growth factors and other factors that would speed up recovery.
I am very frustrated by this and now feel I am letting the club down by not automatically approving of these things. I need to collect my thoughts as these drugs have been given without my knowledge.
I am sure Steve Danks believes that what we are doing is totally ethical and legal, however, one wonders whether if you take a long stance and look at this from a distance, whether you would want your children being injected with a derivative hormone that is not free to the community and whether calf's blood, that has been used for many years and is still doubted by most doctors, is worth pursuing.
Kind Regards
Dr. Bruce Reid
M.B.B.S.
Senior Medical Officer
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dr-bruce-reid-wrote-to-hird-about-supplements-problems-20130821-2sasc.html#ixzz2cZfLUUWy
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Big boy McEvoy over that Dr.Reid letter.
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Not quite sure how Essendon can worm their way out of this
Just finished reading the 34 pages
OMG
You read bits of it and do this :gobdrop, then you re-read it and go :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop
And I think a few folks owe Caro an apology, some of the things she said happened eg Jimmy being warned back in late 2011 by the AFL appear to be true - they are in the charge report.
And although Dr Reid's letter is damning re his concerns about the program in Feb 2012 I can now alsoo understand why he's been charged.
Nowhere to hide now Bombers, any fair minded person would demand the harshest possible penalties.
Shambolic, inept, irresponsible and disgraceful
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Kudos to you WP. I got bored on page 1. :lol
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:clapping :clapping
(http://s8.postimg.org/n9q59uifp/Caroline_Wilson_2.jpg)
:clapping :clapping
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STB
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Kudos to you WP. I got bored on page 1. :lol
Page 1 is the key - says the Club failed in its duty of care regarding its players
But my god the stuff they've allegedly done is disgusting
Incompetant is another word that comes to mind
No wonder Jimmy's legal eagles didn't want it released
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Not quite sure how Essendon can worm their way out of this
Nothing to worry about if you pop over the the Bumbers BF board :rollin
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124. During the relevant period, the Club caused the following substances to be administered
to players at the Club:
(a) Actovegin;
(b) unspecified amino acids
(c) unspecified multi-vitamins;
(d) AOD-9604 creams;
(e) AOD-9604 injections;
(f) Cerebrolysin;
(g) Colostrum;
(h)
(i) Lactaway;
(j) Lube-all-plus;
(k) Melatonin;
(l) Melanotan II;
(m) TA-65;
(n) Thymosin Beta 4;
(o) Traumeel; and
(p) Tribulus
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Edited: Just notice that you had added things Bents in the areas that that are blacked out in the document. If it is blacked out then you cannot post it because they have been blacked out for legal reasons
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Not quite sure how Essendon can worm their way out of this
Nothing to worry about if you pop over the the Bumbers BF board :rollin
Nah I wouldn't be worried
Nothing to worry about when you give substances code names ::)
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I can't believe Essendumb supporters.
They should be disgusted about the way their players were treated, but all they care about is that Hirdy is innocent and sporting a massive boner thanks to Melanotan II.
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I can't believe Essendumb supporters.
They should be disgusted about the way their players were treated, but all they care about is that Hirdy is innocent and sporting a massive boner thanks to Melanotan II.
makes suicide cults look normalish
deluded / cult-like mudaduckers
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Give me some of that lube all plus :cheers
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Only for animals
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From the darkest day inAFL history, to the brightest !! Ox and I are extremely pleased!!
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From the darkest day inAFL history, to the brightest !! Ox and I are extremely pleased!!
Sometimes it pays to be patient
Ma Powell always said it was a virtue, patience
Have to say this morning after the events of the last 2 days I was despondent over this but this afternoon, so very upbeat I must say :bow :bow :cheers :clapping
And BTW Chairman Little and Jimmy Hird to face the media at 4.15pm. Interesting one of the news sites (it's the HUN) had a photo of Jimmy coming out of his Toorak mansion in his EFC suit as opposed to club jacket emblazened with sponsors logos ...hmmmm.... ;D
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I'm upbeat also :clapping
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little has lost the plot
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Little talking shyte:
do not consider charges justified
assertions not supported evidence
time release no coincidence
a0d bla bla bla
afl PR attack
want the afl to reword charges - reach common ground - should the club guilt
we tried to prevent release of charge cheat
we never gave anyone banned drugs
afl want media headlines
afl belligerent
club had some short comings - we have changed many things in club
we will have to accept a afl penality
no player administered harmful prohibited substances - in-suffice evidence
no proof
afl try to call us drug cheats - i cannot and will not accept that like ALL Football FANS - I CANNOT accept that point of view
i call on mike Fitzpatrick to step in and take over, like the football public
lost total confidence with the afl
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hird talking shyte
afl trial by media
would dictate i could prefer to know in advance
doctor Reid letter to me in breach of due process
designed to damage my reputation
i wrote to afl last week - what bases of your case afl?
what you going to say? so i can get ready - afl yet to respond
i deny these charges
contested when afl due process
afl running an agenda - afl not fair
my position is same as previous weeks
i will contest these charges
afl / vlad should excuse them self from case - conflict of interest
should be a public hearing
asada report interim
no player infractions
AFL IN BREACH OF THE LAW
due to interim report
afl remains silent about its knowledge
aod bla bla bla this is a major issue in whole saga
I HAVE BEEN DENIED NATURAL JUSTICE :rollin :rollin :rollin
TODAY'S AMBUSH IS this
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Ive just read the whole report.
Wow. They are stuffed. If they get off even if no illegal substances were given, the AFL has lost control of its integrity.
Little and Hird are missing the point in their press conference. Playing the victim. Not addressing the charges.
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Hird bangs on all year about wanting it all public, now he is complaining that he was ambushed and wasnt given enough notice before making it public?
Not to mention saying the afl is conflicted and wants an independent hearing. Last I checked it was the afls responsibility to manage the game. So How are they conflicted? Who do they want to run the hearing? The NRL?
Its PR rubbish which just disillusions the majority of supporters, who now dont just want the afl to throw the book, but make them choke on it
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EFC are believing the EFC PR / spin machine
not going to end well
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Hird bangs on all year about wanting it all public, now he is complaining that he was ambushed and wasnt given enough notice before making it public?
Not to mention saying the afl is conflicted and wants an independent hearing. Last I checked it was the afls responsibility to manage the game. So How are they conflicted? Who do they want to run the hearing? The NRL?
Its PR rubbish which just disillusions the majority of supporters, who now dont just want the afl to throw the book, but make them choke on it
Well today at least Jimmy proved he has been consistent. it's all about him and no one else :whistle
I think he suffers from PLOM disease ;D
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Little and Hird are missing the point in their press conference. Playing the victim. Not addressing the charges.
Not missing it.
It's all they have to harp about proving they're really BUSTED!!
LMAO@ "Ambushed" - who does he think he is, Sadam Hussein?
LMAOOOO@ War terminology
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Hird's persecution complex is as bad as Harry O'brien's
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When it comes to dragging legal issues out, it comes down to, "He who has the most money wins"
AFL=Wins
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beautiful day today and a super day for AFL Football. Today we see the Essendon begin its journey into a 50 year depression. They are finished as a footy club. No sponsor (who isnt a essendon supporter) will give these morons money. The AFL will screw them in financial penalties and draft penalties- Im thinking at least 3 years possibly 5 years. Also we as a club need to start working on getting a new Dreamtime Game partner, we cant be associated with Essendon in that Game, I would offer this game to Carlton meaning we would lose R1 one, but on the proviso that we replace Essendon in the Anzac Day Game vs Collingwood. Screw you Essendon. Youre Finished.
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dreamtime at the g with the swans
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press red for ed
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Dreamtime @ the G should be RFC Vs Tassie Devils.
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Dreamtime @ the G should be RFC Vs Tassie Devils.
:clapping :clapping
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press red for ed
Press red for redneck
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Matt Finnis of the AFLPA didn't mince his words :clapping
AFLPA boss dismayed by Dons injection practices
By Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
6:18pm AEST Wednesday, August 21, 2013
AFL Players' Association boss Matt Finnis has slammed Essendon, saying that if its players escape negative health effects after being part of the club's supplement program, it will be more due to good luck than good management.
Finnis said after reading ASADA's interim report he could not see how Essendon could be certain that no player's health was put at risk by the supplements program in 2011 and 2012.
"I will be urgently seeking the medical advice from the club, which provides the basis for this position," Finnis said.
Finnis said the AFLPA had no tolerance for any conduct that compromised the club's duty of care to its players.
"It is shocking to see that the concerns of health professionals can be ignored in a club that seemed intent on pushing the boundaries regardless of their potential impact," Finnis said.
He said the issues raised in Dr Bruce Reid's letter to the club – which was included in the AFL's grounds for laying the charges – went to the heart of the AFLPA's concerns.
"The injecting of players in the absence of medical supervision; the administering of drugs to players without prescription or approval of the club doctor; the use of drugs which are not approved for human use and substances which are specifically designed for treating ailments not related to athletic performance let alone the evolution of a culture of supplement taking where an experienced club doctor feels he is letting the club down by not automatically approving these things," Finnis said.
"These are all things that I never expected to see in our sport."
Finnis said he was also worried about communications being made to players, their families and the general public.
"I have been concerned that some of the messages are not commensurate with the seriousness of the issues at hand," Finnis said.
"Out of respect of the club we have sought the opportunity to better understand their perspective and look forward to that prospect."
Finnis was in no mood to mince words as he stated clearly the Association's position.
He said the issue was much broader than the legality or otherwise of substances such as AOD-9604, which WADA declared was banned in May,
Finnis said the issue was about protecting player welfare and that the most basic right for players was to expect a safe workplace.
"My overwhelming reaction to this is simple: This must never happen again," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-21/never-again-says-finnis
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What i would advise Hird to use as his final statement ;
“In a word, I was too cowardly to do what I knew to be right, as I had been too cowardly to avoid doing what I knew to be wrong.”
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Never been a great fan of Matt Finnis but his repsonse was another whack to the EFC
Well done sir :clapping ;D
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Essendon if you remember requested this investigation :clapping
James is now in the unfortunate position of destroying his club by remaining in the job.
Imagine how much easier efc's negotiations with HQ would have been if Jimmy offered to stand himself down for the remainder of their wretched season.
Hird could have given his career a fighting chance and it would not have harmed his PR status if he 'took one for the team' today. But no.
Hird has hired some of the best legal and PR help that money can buy, but they didn't read the state of play in the biggest theatre in town. The way the AFL presented the warnings to Hird from both Reid (email) and Corcoran (SMS) was particularly nasty :lol
Yes his QC might achieve a more palatable outcome for him at the supreme court, he might even eventually topple Demetriou, but he lost the war today, that report paints him to be a maniacal peptide freak with a plan for 25,000 injections into 38 players!
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Remember what your PR guru tells you James
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ
James is now in the unfortunate position of destroying his club by remaining in the job.
Exactly the state of play.
But it seems James would rather kill his club than jeopardise himself.
Stunning.
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Everyone turning on Essendon :thumbsup
ASADA denies AOD-9604 was ever approved
By Nick Bowen
afl.com.au
Wednesday, August 21, 2013
ASADA has refuted reports it advised parties to the Essendon supplements investigation that anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 was not a banned substance.
In written advice to the AFL on Wednesday, ASADA CEO Aurora Andruska said AOD-9604 was a banned substance under the WADA code and reiterated that ASADA had never advised any party otherwise.
"AOD-9604 is not approved for human use and logically it couldn't be considered safe to use," Andruska said.
"ASADA reiterates that at no point has it advised any party that AOD-9604 was permitted in sport, and our advice to the sporting community has always been consistent with WADA."
ASADA's advice followed comments from sports medicine specialist Andrew Garnham on Fox Footy's AFL 360 program that ASADA had advised him in February 2013 that AOD-9064 was not a banned substance.
Garnham, a former member of an AFL Victoria Anti-Doping Tribunal, is now working as a consultant with Essendon.
AFL General Counsel Andrew Dillon said on Wednesday ASADA's advice was consistent with a WADA statement in April.
"When the Australian Crime Commission report was released in February this year, the report indicated AOD-9604 was not a banned substance. The AFL discussed this at the time with the Essendon FC," Dillon said.
"On April 22 this year, WADA indicated in a statement that AOD-9604 was a banned substance still under pre-clinical and clinical development and that it had not been approved for therapeutic use by any government health authority in the world.
"ASADA advised the AFL their position was consistent with WADA. The AFL has consistently acknowledged the uncertainty concerning the status of AOD-9604.
"The AFL has worked diligently with ASADA to get clarification on the status of AOD 9604 for the purposes of the Essendon investigation."
Dillon reiterated infraction notices could still be issued against Essendon players as the AFL-ASADA investigation into the Bombers' 2012 supplements program continued.
The AFL said Garnham's advisory role with Essendon meant he was now ineligible to sit on the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal should it be required to hear the matter.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-21/aod9604-never-permitted
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Remember what your PR guru tells you James
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ
James is now in the unfortunate position of destroying his club by remaining in the job.
Exactly the state of play.
But it seems James would rather kill his club than jeopardise himself.
Stunning.
no just his club http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-to-sue-over-afl-ambush-20130821-2sbrw.html
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Dons rejected penalties
Jake Niall
The Age
August 21, 2013
The AFL wanted Essendon to accept a series of penalties which included exclusion from the 2013 finals, the loss of draft picks for two years, a fine of more than $2.5 million and a suspension of 12 months for coach James Hird.
But the club, incensed by the AFL's release of highly detailed and personal information in the extraordinarily detailed charges laid against the club on Tuesday, is intent on fighting the penalties of the scale proposed, believing the package excessive, with Hird unwilling to accept a 12-month suspension.
The Dons also have placed a higher premium on draft picks than the finals, believing the loss of first- and second-round picks for two seasons would be potentially crippling. Central to the disagreement over penalties has been Hird's unwillingness to suffer a penalty that would imply that he supported the inadvertent doping of players.
Fairfax Media understands that Essendon, under the leadership of chairman Paul Little, was willing to entertain the possibility of giving ground on missing the finals this year, without accepting that the club had cheated or systematically doped. Essendon was willing to acknowledge - and receive punishments - for its governance failures, but, as Little suggested, will resist a sentence that it believes out of proportion when no doping charges have been proven or infraction notices issued.
Under the penalties discussed by the AFL and Essendon, it understood that the club also faced suspensions for Dr Bruce Reid and football operations chief Danny Corcoran, but that Mark Thompson was facing only a fine.
The AFL proposed that Essendon lose its first- and second-round draft choices this year and in 2014 - a penalty the club now considers excessive, given that the league also wanted it to miss finals and for three of its four senior staffers to be suspended, with Hird receiving the biggest penalty.
Hird would be out of contract when the proposed suspension ceased, having joined the club as senior coach on a four-year deal.
Sources said the penalties offered - and which were being discussed on Tuesday night, before the release of charges against Essendon, Hird, Reid, Corcoran and Thompson - were more detailed, but that the essence of them was loss of draft picks and premiership points, putting them out of this year's finals and a significant fine. The Bombers could be under financial pressure as a result of the scandal if members and/or sponsors leave, plus the legal and other costs incurred.
Essendon is incensed that the AFL's charges detailed private information.
Little, despite his fighting words, has shown a willingness to negotiate with the AFL, but the release of the charges - and particularly the specific nature of allegations - has raised the temperature significantly.
The AFL is braced for a legal response from Essendon, which may seek to challenge the jurisdiction of the AFL Commission. Essendon does not believe the AFL and Andrew Demetriou have followed due processes, with Hird having called for an independent panel to hear his case rather than the AFL's governing body.
Essendon would be mindful of the catastrophic impact losing draft picks had on Carlton in 2002 when the Blues were punished for cheating the salary cap.
It is believed the AFL has not proposed that Essendon would be prevented from trading back into the draft - via the trading of players - a critical detail. The club would not be restricted from signing free agents either.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-rejected-penalties-20130821-2sbsq.html#ixzz2cbT6YSIu
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The AFL's next offer should be to reduce the club penalties marginally but increase Hird's punishment by the same amount-and see if they can drive a wedge between the board and the highly paid Hird.
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Dons rejected penalties
Jake Niall
The Age
August 21, 2013
The AFL wanted Essendon to accept a series of penalties which included exclusion from the 2013 finals, the loss of draft picks for two years, a fine of more than $2.5 million and a suspension of 12 months for coach James Hird.
Gee those penalties seem familiar to me, think somewhere in this thread I posted the exact same thing, they are my penalties ;D
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Barrett said the AFL has held back plenty including more damning txt messages etc ...
Caro said this is the end of Hird. He could have owned up as late as a month ago and saved himself but he's now finished.
Too bad he and his cronies at Essendon are the only ones that can't see it.
She also said ASADA has enough evidence relating to the use of prohibited Thymoslin Beat-4 to enforce infraction notices against the players.
forget even AOD-9604 for the moment, Thymoslin Beta-4 is the real smoking gun. This could wipe out the Bombers' playing list as its banned under the S-2 clause in the WADA code.
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Never seen this forum so upbeat, it's beautiful ;D
124. During the relevant period, the Club caused the following substances to be administered
to players at the Club:
(n) Thymosin Beta 4;
Bang I don't care about the rest at this moment, I think its common knowledge this peptide is BANNED. Even a quick search on ASADA's prohibited list confirms it.
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Never seen this forum so upbeat, it's beautiful ;D
124. During the relevant period, the Club caused the following substances to be administered
to players at the Club:
(n) Thymosin Beta 4;
Bang I don't care about the rest at this moment, I think its common knowledge this peptide is BANNED. Even a quick search on ASADA's prohibited list confirms it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4UqMyldS7Q ;D ;D
[Verse One]
Just wakin up in the mornin gotta thank God
I don't know but today seems kinda odd
No barkin from the dog, no smog
And momma cooked a breakfast with no hog (damn)
I got my grub on, but didn't pig out
Finally got a call from a girl I wanna dig out
(Whassup?) Hooked it up for later as I hit the do'
Thinkin will I live, another twenty-fo'
I gotta go cause I got me a drop top
And if I hit the switch, I can make the ass drop
Had to stop, at a red light
Lookin in my mirror and not a jacker in sight
And everything is alright
I got a beep from Kim, and she can stuff all night
Called up the homies and I'm askin y'all
Which park, are y'all playin basketball?
Get me on the court and I'm trouble
Last week stuffed around and got a triple double
Freakin niggaz everyway like M.J.
I can't believe, today was a good day (poo!)
[Verse Two]
Drove to the pad and hit the showers
Didn't even get no static from the cowards
Cause just yesterday them fools tried to blast me
Saw the police and they rolled right past me
No flexin, didn't even look in a nigga's direction
as I ran the intersection
Went to $hort Dog's house, they was watchin Yo! MTV Raps
What's the haps on the craps?
Shake 'em up, shake 'em up, shake 'em up, shake 'em
Roll 'em in a circle of niggaz and watch me break 'em
with the seven, seven-eleven, seven-eleven
Seven even back do' Lil' Joe
I picked up the cash flow
Then we played bones, and I'm yellin domino
Plus nobody I know got killed in South Central L.A.
Today was a good day (poo!)
[Verse Three]
Left my nigga's house paid (what)
Picked up a girl been tryin to stuff since the 12th grade
It's ironic, I had the brew she had the chronic
The Lakers beat the Supersonics
I felt on the big fat fanny
Pulled out the jammy, and killed the punanny
And my dick runs deep, so deep
So deep put her ass to sleep
Woke her up around one
She didn't hesitate, to call Ice Cube the top gun
Drove her to the pad and I'm coastin
Took another sip of the potion hit the three-wheel motion
I was glad everything had worked out
Dropped her ass off and then chirped out
Today was like one of those fly dreams
Didn't even see a berry flashin those high beams
No helicopter looking for a murder
Two in the mornin got the Fatburger
Even saw the lights of the Goodyear Blimp
And it read, "Ice Cube's a pimp" (yeah)
Drunk as hell but no throwin up
Half way home and my pager still blowin up
Today I didn't even have to use my A.K.
I got to say it was a good day (poo!)
[Ice Cube]
Hey wait, wait a minute Pooh, stop this poo
What the stuff I'm thinkin about?
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Bang I don't care about the rest at this moment, I think its common knowledge this peptide is BANNED. Even a quick search on ASADA's prohibited list confirms it.
Banned=2 years all round yes? :pray
I wonder if the club still stands by it's statement that the meeting between Hird, Dank, and Dr Ageless at a Gold Coast resort was a coincidence. This report shows that a week later Dr Ageless was ordering and supplying the Thymosin Beta 4 on behalf of the club;
Between 1 December 2011 and 8 December 2011 Charter ordered raw materials for the second purchase of peptides including the raw materials for Thymosin Beta-4.
This is one of the bigger porkies by Essendon over the last 6 months, I think it's worth another look.
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Banned=2 years all round yes? :pray
No
maximum ban = 2 years
Minimum ban = 6 months
so any ban can be between the minimum of 6 months to the max of 2 years
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Dons rejected penalties
Jake Niall
The Age
August 21, 2013
The AFL wanted Essendon to accept a series of penalties which included exclusion from the 2013 finals, the loss of draft picks for two years, a fine of more than $2.5 million and a suspension of 12 months for coach James Hird.
Gee those penalties seem familiar to me, think somewhere in this thread I posted the exact same thing, they are my penalties ;D
well then you are very forgiving unless you are saying players to be banned also?
blues copped what?
Thats right rorting which is exactly what the dons did those years back.
This is far worse and IMV if guilty should be 3 years worth of drafts. It has to be more than the Blues.
I really hope they play finals now, because
a. they wont win.
b. the year is a farce anyway
c. let them derail their 2014 season as well.
By rejecting the afl offer Turd has effectively ruined the Bombers 2014 season.
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Dons rejected penalties
Jake Niall
The Age
August 21, 2013
The AFL wanted Essendon to accept a series of penalties which included exclusion from the 2013 finals, the loss of draft picks for two years, a fine of more than $2.5 million and a suspension of 12 months for coach James Hird.
Gee those penalties seem familiar to me, think somewhere in this thread I posted the exact same thing, they are my penalties ;D
well then you are very forgiving
blues copped what?
Thats right rorting which is exactly what the dons did those years back.
This is far worse and IMV if guilty should be 3 years worth of drafts. It has to be more than the Blues.
I really hope they play finals now, because
a. they wont win.
b. the year is a farce anyway
c. let them screw derail their 2014 season as well.
By rejecting the afl offer Turd has effectively ruined the Bombers 2014 season.
Apart for the fact I was being sarcastic on my reply hence the ;D at the end of it
Think we've been over this many times daniel suggest you go back 20 or 30 odd pages and read what I've written. But so you don't need to go back through the pages....
First up not being forgiving have always said those penalties would be starting point and the minimum
I want them to get whacked harder but always thought they wouldn't get whacked as hard as they should.
Agree this is far worse than the Blues and their salary cap rorting
And After today's events the whack just got bigger I reckon :clapping
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Banned=2 years all round yes? :pray
No
maximum ban = 2 years
Minimum ban = 6 months
so any ban can be between the minimum of 6 months to the max of 2 years
Yeh but as if Essendon are to incur the minimum ban on anything......
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Banned=2 years all round yes? :pray
No
maximum ban = 2 years
Minimum ban = 6 months
so any ban can be between the minimum of 6 months to the max of 2 years
Yeh but as if Essendon are to incur the minimum ban on anything......
Not sure of what sort bans from an ASADA/WADA perspective can be given to the Club
What I listed is for individuals =the players
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Can't find the video
But someone made a Carlton mid beer coincidence add
With hird/charters/dank... pretty funny
Bang I don't care about the rest at this moment, I think its common knowledge this peptide is BANNED. Even a quick search on ASADA's prohibited list confirms it.
Banned=2 years all round yes? :pray
I wonder if the club still stands by it's statement that the meeting between Hird, Dank, and Dr Ageless at a Gold Coast resort was a coincidence. This report shows that a week later Dr Ageless was ordering and supplying the Thymosin Beta 4 on behalf of the club;
Between 1 December 2011 and 8 December 2011 Charter ordered raw materials for the second purchase of peptides including the raw materials for Thymosin Beta-4.
This is one of the bigger porkies by Essendon over the last 6 months, I think it's worth another look.
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Don't wada bans have to take place in season? As in not take place in off season
2.years = 4 seasons? :pray
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Blind pride drove coach's denial and bodies piled up
CAROLINE WILSON August 22, 2013
James Hird's coaching career could have been salvaged in February on the day he said with straight and solemn face that he was ''shocked'' to be sitting in the uncomfortable position that he was.
In April, too, when the depth of Hird's involvement in the perilous drugs program he pushed, embraced and involved himself in was first revealed, he could have stood aside and worked to salvage his reputation and help his club.
Last month before he declared his phoney war on the AFL, that option remained open to Hird.
Instead, in choosing to place himself and his precious reputation above that of the game he once made more beautiful but has now helped make so ugly, Hird looks finished.
The Essendon coach will say now that Andrew Demetriou and his team are hell-bent on destroying him. But he has brought this on himself.
As badly as he behaved behind the scenes in 2011 and 2012 it has been the manner in which he has conducted himself in 2013 that has brought Hird undone.
He has been revealed in all his selfishness, his refusal to listen to reason, to heed warnings that seemed obstacles to his naked ambition.
A scandal that could have been resolved by now drags on - and drags the game down with it. Even in speaking to the charges against Essendon on Wednesday Hird spoke only of himself and being ''ambushed''. No mention of his players.
The Hird story will surely become a cautionary tale for all football clubs. The tale of a football hero who was handed the keys to the entire operation and was allowed to believe he could do no wrong. Even if Hird had been more responsible, even if he hadn't wanted to cut corners and allowed his players to be treated like guinea pigs, such a scenario was unhealthy from the start.
Inside and outside the club, Hird was surrounded by yes men. He is seen by the Bombers as inexorably tied to their brand. At some point, if the club is to resolve this war with the AFL, it must cut Hird loose.
Against the better judgment of at least two former presidents, Danny Corcoran was welcomed back to the club despite the messy manner in which he departed in the 1990s. What James wanted James was given. Corcoran's job description included protecting Hird from people he didn't want to deal with. And to get rid of people Hird no longer wanted.
Between them, with the powerful support of Mark Thompson, they ran the football club, casting aside those who stepped in their path. The joint AFL-ASADA investigation was told that Hird, at the end of 2011, wanted chief executive Ian Robson and football boss Paul Hamilton out of the club. If that was his wish, then he got his way in the end.
Hird, Corcoran and Thompson worked together with the support of Dr Bruce Reid. Even Reid's blind faith in Hird was put to one side when he wrote that heartfelt letter listing his concerns about the drugs program back in January 2012. ''… one wonders,'' wrote Reid, ''… whether you would want your children being injected with a derivative hormone that is not free to the community.''
That letter was addressed to Hird, and all the coach would say when he put on his latest defiant front late on Wednesday was that he was being denied natural justice and the release of the letter was designed to damage his reputation.
All year, Hamilton has carried the burden of being thought the lone recipient of the letter.
But if that was indeed the AFL's aim then it was effective. Hird said he denied the charges but all his supportive comments covered process and timing but nothing else. He has known of these charges for 10 days but all he clung to was a discredited allegation that the AFL had ''known'' since February that AOD-9604 was legal. They haven't and it isn't.
Those supporters praying James would ''say it ain't so'' heard nothing from the coach on Wednesday to allay their fears. Hypocritically, he stated he was a victim of a ''trial by media'', which was a bit rich given the spinning he has orchestrated in recent months.
Twice he said he had been ambushed, but he has known for close to a week that this was coming. Demetriou said as much. His blindness to the severity of his position is shown by the legal nonsense his people continue to peddle.
Hird's supporters, including Thompson and Reid and some media, keep saying that the AFL has been playing with their lives. If only Hird had not experimented with the lives of his players.
Reid circulated his letter but nothing was done. Then, in May 2012, Thompson told Stephen Dank to stop the injections. Still they continued.
So many of the major players who helped Hird on his path to power have proved to be collateral damage as he resolutely refuses to take the blame for overseeing and embracing the most irresponsible and potentially dangerous drug program in the history of the game.
Chairman David Evans was cast aside because Hird became paranoid he was no longer supporting the coach as he should.
Hird leaked a story about Demetriou and ludicrously allowed his yes men to allege the AFL chief could end up in prison for tipping off Essendon about the Australian Crime Commission report. At that moment he put himself above the game and diametrically at odds with Evans, who was too close to the coach to have a healthy working relationship. Evans continues to have his heart broken by Hird.
The charges also allege that Hird believed Dr Reid was becoming outdated. Perhaps he, too, would have become collateral damage.
How much more collateral damage will Hird inflict before he finally understands once and for all that the buck must stop with him?
http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blind-pride-drove-coachs-denial-and-bodies-piled-up-20130821-2sbta.html
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Banned=2 years all round yes? :pray
No
maximum ban = 2 years
Minimum ban = 6 months
so any ban can be between the minimum of 6 months to the max of 2 years
Yeh but as if Essendon are to incur the minimum ban on anything......
Not sure of what sort bans from an ASADA/WADA perspective can be given to the Club
What I listed is for individuals =the players
Pretty sure if 2-3 players or more get infracted for thymosin the whole club is done. :whistle
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One thing forgotten in Hird's rant towards the AFL and Demetriou yesterday is that alone can be construed as bringing the game into disrepute.
Caro: How much more collateral damage will Hird inflict before he finally understands once and for all that the buck must stop with him?
Well said Caro :clapping
This RIP Essendon FC facebook page was set up as a joke a while back but if the Bombers continue their denialist cult supporting Hird to the bitter end then they'll put themselves on a path towards deregistration.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Essendon-Football-Club-1873-2013/306104079492287?notif_t=fbpage_fan_invite
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AFL claims substances players may have taken in 2012 could still be aiding performance this year
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
August 21, 2013 11:06PM
THE AFL claims substances Essendon players may have taken could aid performance for longer than a year, raising questions about the club's fast start to the 2013 season.
The Bombers have denied substances taken last year under its supplements program would have given an on-field advantage this year.
But the AFL yesterday released circumstantial evidence alleging some Essendon players were given Thymosin Beta-4. The summary of charges against Essendon for bringing the game into disrepute said potential effects could last "many months or even up to a year or longer".
Thymosin Beta-4 is listed as banned for use by all athletes under the strict S2 provisions of the WADA code.
The charges makes it clear substances like Thymosin Beta-4 can have long-lasting effects. It makes the same claim of Hexarelin, a substance allegedly brought into Essendon's Windy Hill headquarters by sports scientist Stephen Dank.
The AFL charge sheet said: "The club failed to reasonably satisfy itself Hexarelin ... was not being administered to players."
Dank has previously denied any wrongdoing at Essendon.
"If Hexarelin is administered in sufficient doses or in repeated doses to cause sustained growth hormone release, the effects (including recovery from post-treatment withdrawal effects) may last many months or even up to a year or longer, depending on dose and duration of use," the charges state.
"Thymosin Beta-4 is even less well understood, and while not a growth hormone releaser, it could well have equally sustained effects, again depending on dose and duration of use."
Essendon and Dank have denied that players were given either substance.
Leading athletics coach Nic Bideau told the Herald Sun in May that any advantage from performance-enhancing drugs would have a lingering beneficial effect.
"If you have a really good training year, it helps you forever or until you start to decline," Bideau said.
"It is foundation you are trying to build. It takes people two or three years to become a fit league footballer, and if you add another layer on, it has to help."
Essendon chairman Paul Little was adamant yesterday players had taken no prohibited substances and said that should never have been alleged by the AFL.
"We maintain our belief that no player was administered either harmful or prohibited substances, and assert there is insufficient evidence upon which any such allegation should have been made," he said.
The Bombers were 13-3 this year, winning a number of games on the back of late-game revivals, but have lost the last four games.
While the status of AOD-9604 continues to be contested, there is no debate about Thymosin Beta-4 being restricted.
Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/afl-claims-substances-players-may-have-taken-in-2012-could-still-be-aiding-performance-this-year/story-e6frf3e3-1226701654701#ixzz2ccunZ1se
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How they handle the players is very tricky.
They clearly should get banned, however, if i was a player at the EFC, I would trust that the club wouldnt be dosing me up with a banned substance.
But as they always say, the players should know what they are putting in their body. The buck stops with them.
HOW CAN THEY HANG AHMED SAAD OUT TO DRY FOR DRINKING AN ENERGY DRINK ON GAME DAY, BUT LET THE ESSENDON PLAYERS OFF.
If he goes, the Essendon players must go. Or its so unfair on Saad.
The problem is this. If there was only 5 players, they would already be rubbed out. But in this instance if they rub out the players, they are killing a football club. Poor Zaharakis will be playing on his own.
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How they handle the players is very tricky.
They clearly should get banned, however, if i was a player at the EFC, I would trust that the club wouldnt be dosing me up with a banned substance.
But as they always say, the players should know what they are putting in their body. The buck stops with them.
HOW CAN THEY HANG AHMED SAAD OUT TO DRY FOR DRINKING AN ENERGY DRINK ON GAME DAY, BUT LET THE ESSENDON PLAYERS OFF.
If he goes, the Essendon players must go. Or its so unfair on Saad.
The problem is this. If there was only 5 players, they would already be rubbed out. But in this instance if they rub out the players, they are killing a football club. Poor Zaharakis will be playing on his own.
I reckon in part the reason the players haven't been served with infraction notices is the fact that the EFC have no records of who was given what substances.
Yes players signed consent forms that listed what they would be given and therefore agreeing to take substances. However because of what appears to be the EFC's incompetance in record keeping no records exist as to who was given what. The consent form may soay one thing but blokes could have been given some thing completely different. In a marcabre sort of way Essendons incompetance may have in fact helped the players.
My view is and has always been (and I know people don't agree with me) is that as it stands right now the Bombers players cannot and shouldn't be banned simply because there isn't enough proof to issue them with infraction notices. Apart from not knowing for sure who took what there is also the issue (as yesterday's doc fromthe AFL highlights) of ASADA right at the moment not having absolute proof over what a couple of the subtances were.
Issue players with notices now and penalties and they are likely to be thrown out on appeal by the Int'l Sport Arbitration Appeals Board (or whatever it is called). Don't think ASADA or big Brother WADA would want that, I know I don't
The thing with the Saad case he has failed a drug test, where as the Bomber players haven't. That's why Saad will cop a suspension. Not saying it is fair but the fact is Saad has failed a drug test so there is the absolute proof about what he took.
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Listen to MMM right now: Parent of Essendon player claims child used as Guinee Pig - go Sarah
"Been muzzled... Told not to talk to anyone"
"Son is considering walking away from sport"
"Players still dont know what they have been given"
"The meeting was centred from Essendons point of view. Not players"
"James Hird only worried about himself"
"Said parents have not been given a voice"
"My son has no enthusiasm for the game"
"Wants club to admit they did something wrong"
"To get young men to sign waiver was a huge flag - we found out about the waiver after the fact"
"Son said he signed the waiver because everyone else did"
"Believes they have brought game into disrepute and morally wrong"
"Its all about Hird and not the players health concerns"
:clapping :clapping
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Where's the link Bents :huh Your first post which looks like you've removed you had the link to Bigfooty
If that's where you got it from please post it
Thanks :thumbsup
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gotta start listening to mmm 8)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/listen-to-mmm-right-now-parent-of-essendon-player-claims-child-used-as-guinee-pig.1026961/page-2
caller saying she was in tears. i hope it was worth it jimmy
How is Ian Hanke allowing this kind of thing? spin doctor needs to look at himself
they are saying there is a link to the interview on triple m website. - http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/
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http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/2013/8/aod-9604-not-prohibited-says-gerard-whateley-on-fox-footy-afl-360/
:o :o
Essendon Player's Mother On Triple M
On Thursday morning a mother of an Essendon player called in anonymously to Triple M's Hot Breakfast to vent her frustration with the Essendon supplement saga.
mother on one i the following:
Steinberg, Ariel
Davis, Luke
Merrett, Jackson
Kavanagh, Elliott
poor fecking women!!
"i challenge them to inject their own children with the same substance"
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I just heard that poor mum. Essendon is nothing more than a shameful rabble. They are in total disgrace. Thats all.
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gotta start listening to mmm 8)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/listen-to-mmm-right-now-parent-of-essendon-player-claims-child-used-as-guinee-pig.1026961/page-2
caller saying she was in tears. i hope it was worth it jimmy
How is Ian Hanke allowing this kind of thing? spin doctor needs to look at himself
they are saying there is a link to the interview on triple m website. - http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/
Thanks
BTW Can't listen to MMM when I am monitoring SEN ;D
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No way WP, players have to go
Otherwise you will have the situation where sporting clubs dope their players on purpose and just don't document it and they can get off
There is enough circumstantial evidence and some admissions on what they took
Have to ban them and can guarantee CAS will uphold any penalty if they appeal
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No way WP, players have to go
Otherwise you will have the situation where sporting clubs dope their players on purpose and just don't document it and they can get off
There is enough circumstantial evidence and some admissions on what they took
Have to ban them and can guarantee CAS will uphold any penalty if they appeal
:clapping :clapping
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'Bombers have used my son as a guinea pig'
Stathi Paxinos
The Age
August 22, 2013 - 11:21AM
A woman claiming to be the mother of a 20-year-old Essendon player says the club treated her son like 'a guinea pig' and says the ongoing supplement scandal is 'intolerable'.
The families of Essendon players have been muzzled and the welfare of players forgotten by the club and coach James Hird, a woman claiming to be a player's mother has told a Melbourne radio station.
The woman, who did not use her real name and was referred to only as "Sarah", rang Triple M on Thursday morning to voice her anger after the AFL upped the ante on the Bombers by releasing details that formed the basis of the charges laid against the club, Hird and three other officials for bringing the game into disrepute.
The woman said she had lost faith in the club, particularly after watching the defiant responses of Hird, who is taking legal action against the AFL in the Victorian Supreme Court, and chairman Paul Little on Wednesday.
Bombers coach James Hird and club president Paul Little arrive to speak to the media during an Essendon press conference on Wednesday.
Bombers coach James Hird and club president Paul Little at an Essendon press conference in Melbourne on Wednesday. Photo: Scott Barbour
She broke down several times while describing the pressures she felt.
"This whole debacle has created... my worse nightmare as a parent," she said. "My son who plays for Essendon and who I entrusted to be taken care off has basically been used as a guinea pig."
She accused Hird and other senior staff of being more concerned with saving their own reputations than the welfare of their players.
"It's all right for James and the board of Essendon to say they have not cheated, the whole question is not about cheating it's about morals, it's about ethics and it's about the trust that parents put on their club for the club to take care of their kids," she said.
"My child is in his early 20s, he'll be 21 shortly, and for him to be used and to be injected with substances that may not be illegal but could be banned, for substances to be labelled not for human consumption, or not for human use and for the club to completely disregard it, to disregard those warnings, and to inject my son I find appalling.
"To watch James Hird yesterday, and James Hird is a man who I've always respected, but to watch his press conference it was all about him. It was all about 'me, me, me, how to protect me.'
"Who's going to protect my kid and who's going to protect all the other players ? Let's not forget the harm was done to the players not to James Hird and let's not forget that any health repercussion the players will have to deal with not James Hird, not [club chairman] Mr [Paul] Little, and it frustrates me and it angers me as a parent we've basically been muzzled and we've been told not to talk to people.
The stress at home, the stress with my son, is intolerable. He is actually contemplating walking away from the sport."
The club has been holding information sessions with players' families, but "Sarah", whose husband attended the session held earlier this week, said Essendon staff were more concerned with the fate of the club than the welfare of the players.
"The parents haven't been given a voice. We go to meetings, we get told this is what's happening but we haven't been given a voice," she said.
"When my husband went to the meeting the other night the whole meeting was centred from Essendon's point of view and a lot of it was in legal speak.
"People have to remember there are kids involved. James Hird can say what he likes and Mr Little can say what he likes and Mr [Stephen] Dank can say what he likes. I challenge them to inject their own children with the same substances and see if they will do it willingly."
She said she wanted an acknowledgement from Essendon that it had been in the wrong.
"I would like for Essendon, or ASADA or whoever, to disclose everything that the players were given and for Essendon or Mr Little or whoever to admit that they did something wrong," she said.
"It's not about cheating. I actually don't think the club went into this with cheating in mind... I actually think they did it thinking they could improve the health and the fitness of their players, but it's the way they went about it. To get young men... to sign documents, a waiver, that in itself was a huge flag to me because if the club didn't think they had any issue why get them to do it?'
"They've done things that are unethical. From a moral aspect they're wrong and that is bringing the game into disrepute whether they chose to believe it or not."
She said her son had signed the waiver because "everyone else signed it" and he did not know what substances he had been injected with.
She said morale at the club had been destroyed and that was being seen in the club's sudden form slump.
"My son, come game day, there's no enthusiasm there," she said. "He used to jump out of bed... and it's the unknown. There's fear because he thinks 'I may be rubbed out for three months, I may be rubbed out for a year'. You don't know, plus the morale, regardless of whatever is put to the media, is just awful."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/bombers-have-used-my-son-as-a-guinea-pig-20130822-2scu8.html#ixzz2cer4D1hu
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ESSENDON faithful claiming that the phone call was a fake on their forums. These people are seriously challenged individuals IMHO. Lets hope they dont vote coz Ruddy could get back and thats no good to anyone except 65.
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Bulldogs president Peter Gordon said today that he supports the AFL's right to protect the game.
You'd expect Collingwood, West Coast and Hawthorn to be anti-Essendon after what was alleged Hird said about them was leaked out to the public.
Little is totally deluded once again if he thinks he will get any support from the other club presidents at this arvo's AFL/presidents' meeting.
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Ramps - They (efc fans ) are also saying Ariel Steinberg (turns 21 in a month, the mother said he turns 21 soon) is a only fringe player so his he and his mother can GAGF
Stay classy bombers. At least left the Caro death threats to one side
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Hird should consider standing down: Watson
Brett Anderson
SEN
11.40AM 22-8-2013
James Hird should stand down as Essendon coach, if he feels his focus is not on the game according to club legend Tim Watson.
As Hird prepares to take Supreme court action against the AFL over its handling of the Bombers supplements investigation, Watson has told SEN if the distractions are too much, he should step aside.
“The time for him to stand down is when he can’t fulfill his duties as the coach of the Essendon Football Club,” Watson said.
“If he is at that point now, I’m in agreement with you [Andrew Maher]– that’s when he should stand down.”
Watson’s comment come as it has emerged that the league wanted the Bombers to accept a penalty – including being removed from this year's finals, the loss of draft picks, a heavy fine and a 12-month suspension for the Hird.
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/Hird-should-consider-standing-down-Watson/61200
Oh dear Timmy ......... "IF ..." :facepalm. Hird should have stepped down ages ago.
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DOCUMENTS: Hird launches Supreme Court action. Here's the writ:
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/08/22/1226701/993571-hs-file-hird-court-1.pdf
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Essendon coach James Hird launches Supreme Court action against AFL after Wednesday's stunning revelations
Michael Warner, Mark Robinson, Grant Baker
From: Herald Sun
August 22, 2013 12:27PM
JAMES Hird's sensational Supreme Court writ against the AFL alleges league boss Andrew Demetriou and his deputy Gillon McLachlan "tipped off'' Essendon that its players had taken performance enhancing drugs.
Explosive court documents detail a phone call from Demetriou to then club chairman David Evans on the night of February 4 which allegedly alerted the Bombers to investigations into drug use at the club in 2012.
"Evans communicated the Demetriou 'tip off' to Hird and other Essendon officials including (football boss) Danny Corcoran and (then CEO) Ian Robson,'' the document says.
It is also alleged the league's deputy CEO McLachlan said to Hird at a meeting at AFL House the following day words to the effect: "You can't say Essendon did not use drugs, because my information is you have used them. Brett Clothier knows the names of the drugs and he will be here soon. The club should come forward to the AFL and ask for an investigation.
"Essendon should go public about the uncertainty surrounding its supplement program in 2012.
"The Australian Crime Commission is going to hand down a report. There is going to be a meeting of all the (sporting) codes''
"If you come forward earlier and invite ASADA to investigate, then the investigation will look better for you''.
The AFL opted not to comment on the court claims when contacted today by Herald Sun.
A statement of claim filed with the court today has asked the court to require Hird’s case be heard by an independent tribunal.
It has asked for injunctions, both interlocutory and final, restraining the AFL from allowing Andrew Demetriou to sit on any tribunal.
It also wants any commissioner who has been given access to the ASADA Intererim report to be banned from future hearings
Hird is also seeking an injunction restraining the AFL from proceeding with any hearing until he has been given:
PROPER particulars of the charges against him
DETAILS of the witnesses ther AFL proposes to call
DETAILS of the substance of the evidence they will give and
COPIES of all documents the AFL will seek to tender at the hearing.
Hird is also seeking damages for interference with contractactual relations and costs.
The claim has accused the AFL of not acting impartially.
It has also raised concerns that Hird will not be able to meet his contractual obligations with Essendon for the remainder of the season and finals series.
Lawyers for Hird filed a writ with the court about 10.50am.
"We will be instituting proceedings in the morning," the Essendon coach's lawyer, Stephen Amendola, told the Herald Sun yesterday.
The move comes as it emerged the AFL wanted the Bombers to accept a penalty deal which would have included Hird's head, a multi-million-dollar fine, the loss of possibly two years of draft picks and exclusion from this year's finals.
Essendon said it never considered the proposed "deal" from the AFL because it considered the sanction "armageddon".
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-coach-james-hird-launches-supreme-court-action-against-afl-after-wednesdays-stunning-revelations/story-fndv8gad-1226700139012#mm-breached
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page 3 of hird crap ""Oh, hird won 3 Anzac medals" who gives a poo? :rollin
a whole page about how good he was at football... turn in up
James Hird show will never die
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/judge-throws-lance-armstrong-publicity-seeking-lawsuit-132542361--oly.html
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DOCUMENTS: Hird launches Supreme Court action. Here's the writ:
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/08/22/1226701/993571-hs-file-hird-court-1.pdf
Ok, so I don't know how these things work. Just below the 'statement of claim' it lists all of his achievements. Why is that? What does that have to do with the price of rice? Also, if that's some kind of character reference why does it then start with 'a champion rules footballer'? No such award and entirely subjective. Is his head well and truly that far up his arse? And why doesn't it list Andy D's achievements when explaining him under defendant? Or the AFL for that matter?
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DOCUMENTS: Hird launches Supreme Court action. Here's the writ:
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/08/22/1226701/993571-hs-file-hird-court-1.pdf
Ok, so I don't know how these things work. Just below the 'statement of claim' it lists all of his achievements. Why is that? What does that have to do with the price of rice? Also, if that's some kind of character reference why does it then start with 'a champion rules footballer'? No such award and entirely subjective. Is his head well and truly that far up his arse? And why doesn't it list Andy D's achievements when explaining him under defendant? Or the AFL for that matter?
cause hes deluded
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It's ' cos in an unbiased environment, which a court if law is, one needs to present oneself with the perception of one being of a reputable and honourable nature. What a joke.
I have a friend who is one of the best defence lawyers in WA.
This is their opinion.
Hird's action will go nowhere coz AFL will claim 'truth' as a defence tho AFL was very grubby in (a) releasing the doc (b) expressing it like it was FACT rather than just allegatns (c) not setting out sources of info ie what witnesses say what. Nobody will sympathise with Hird
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It's ' cos in an unbiased environment, which a court if law is, one needs to present oneself with the perception of one being of a reputable and honourable nature. What a joke.
I have a friend who is one of the best defence lawyers in WA.
This is their opinion.
Hird's action will go nowhere coz AFL will claim 'truth' as a defence tho AFL was very grubby in (a) releasing the doc (b) expressing it like it was FACT rather than just allegatns (c) not setting out sources of info ie what witnesses say what. Nobody will sympathise with Hird
I think Bents has a soft spot for him
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Hird has NO character.
He knows he's stuffed so now he's turned lagging dog.
Typical Toorak hole.
Mind you, if we lose vlad as well, it will be an even better day.
Doesn't change the fact Hird is a deplorable human being who will lag anyone once he knows he's stuffed
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No way WP, players have to go
Otherwise you will have the situation where sporting clubs dope their players on purpose and just don't document it and they can get off
There is enough circumstantial evidence and some admissions on what they took
Have to ban them and can guarantee CAS will uphold any penalty if they appeal
In principle I agree with you gerks
But I reckon as it stands right now if any Bomber players were to be served with infraction notice and then suspended they would appeal to highest appeals board which is the international appeals board and I believe they would be successful in those appeals.
I do not want that outcome because that wouldn't be right morally or ethically!!!!
Right now I am prepared for the ASADA investigation to continue to be open while the new powers that they have kick in and they dig deeper than they have been able to before. Then when it ifully complete they can whack them as hard as the rules allow but also closing the loop hole of them getting off on appeal.
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DOCUMENTS: Hird launches Supreme Court action. Here's the writ:
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/08/22/1226701/993571-hs-file-hird-court-1.pdf
Ok, so I don't know how these things work. Just below the 'statement of claim' it lists all of his achievements. Why is that? What does that have to do with the price of rice? Also, if that's some kind of character reference why does it then start with 'a champion rules footballer'? No such award and entirely subjective. Is his head well and truly that far up his arse? And why doesn't it list Andy D's achievements when explaining him under defendant? Or the AFL for that matter?
Yep it's very narcissistic. I'm sure likewise Lance Armstrong could argue he was a 7-time Tour de France winner so he must be a good bloke :lol.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSPSA6sCYAAsd2U.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/gahhgahh/status/370370507868094464/photo/1
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Minimum ban for players so we can pick them up via free agency when they tell Ess to get stuffed and sue them. -)
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The ivory tower has crumbled.
Suck on This Janes.
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No way WP, players have to go
Otherwise you will have the situation where sporting clubs dope their players on purpose and just don't document it and they can get off
There is enough circumstantial evidence and some admissions on what they took
Have to ban them and can guarantee CAS will uphold any penalty if they appeal
In principle I agree with you gerks
But I reckon as it stands right now if any Bomber players were to be served with infraction notice and then suspended they would appeal to highest appeals board which is the international appeals board and I believe they would be successful in those appeals.
I do not want that outcome because that wouldn't be right morally or ethically!!!!
Right now I am prepared for the ASADA investigation to continue to be open while the new powers that they have kick in and they dig deeper than they have been able to before. Then when it ifully complete they can whack them as hard as the rules allow but also closing the loop hole of them getting off on appeal.
doubt they get off on appeal. That guy got done for ordering stuff online. Didn't take it. Signing the consent forms will be enough for intent to use based on that case. Otherwise I'd expect big clubs just to take PEDs and keep no record so players get off.
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Yep, and the highest court they can go to appeal is CAS in Switzerland where WADA has a 100% winning record because they basically run the court ;D
Similar to the AFL Commission upholding whatever the AFL want ;D
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As for Hirdy...
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/06/02/1226381/456923-megan-gale.jpg)
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Yes players signed consent forms that listed what they would be given and therefore agreeing to take substances. However because of what appears to be the EFC's incompetance in record keeping no records exist as to who was given what. The consent form may soay one thing but blokes could have been given some thing completely different. In a marcabre sort of way Essendons incompetance may have in fact helped the players.
Reckon them signing those forms should be enough and Essendon should have to prove that they didn't take them, but I guess it just doesn't work that way :(
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And Caro (again) goes whack (subtly) :bow
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Tim Watson's epic fail as voice of Bomber parents
DateAugust 22, 2013 - 3:04PM
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age
COMMENT
"Sarah", the emotional talkback radio caller and Essendon player parent who described the invidious position in which some of that club's footballers still find themselves, has painted an alternative picture to the one portrayed all season by the Bombers' most high-profile parent, Tim Watson.
Triple M remained certain after the Thursday morning call that "Sarah" was who she claimed to be — a shattered and concerned mother ordered by the club to keep her fears to herself.
With every dramatic hour that has unfolded since the AFL revealed the horrifying charge sheet against Essendon has come growing doubts and worse among the Bombers players and their families. "Sarah" symbolised them all.
Until now only Watson has spoken publicly as a parent, and although he continues to insist he does not see himself as the parents' spokesman, the reality is he has been the only one. When he stepped out of the Tuesday night address to the players' families and virtually declared "nothing to see here", the AFL and the players' union lost patience.
It is one thing to support your old club but quite another to be the face of concerned parents whom the rest of the football community was starting to see were having the wool pulled over their eyes.
Unfortunately for all the other parents Watson is terribly conflicted, as he freely admits, and until now a member of Cult Hird. Like other cult members he sniffed conspiracy at every turn, believing the AFL somehow to be at fault from the start and bought into every new wacky piece of evidence put forward by recruited witnesses — most recently the Essendon medical consultant Andrew Garnham.
Garnham addressed the players' families on Tuesday night while an interview with him was simultaneously broadcast on Fox Footy, a channel overseen by one of coach James Hird's closest friends and devoted followers Rod Law.
For the AFL and the players' union it is one thing to mislead the media and key players such as Dr Bruce Reid with your conspiracy theories but quite another to mislead players and their families.
Unlike others, Watson has refrained from attacking Hird doubters — certainly publicly. And he frequently admitted his conflict. On his SEN breakfast program on Thursday there were even signs that Watson was taken aback the the previous day's events. He agreed for the first time that perhaps Hird should step aside from coaching due to the distraction of fighting to save his reputation.
But Watson, for all the difficulties of his compromised position and for all the hurt he must be feeling for son Jobe, was the wrong person to speak on behalf of the parents — something he did not see himself as doing but something the club asked him to do.
Not only are James Hird, Mark Thompson, Danny Corcoran and Bruce Reid his friends but Watson was also instrumental in the secret plot to place Hird and Thompson back together at the club. And he is the father of the captain, the club's champion and best player who during this season re-signed a lucrative new four-year deal.
He could never hope to represent the psyches of less secure Essendon players. Yes, Jobe Watson stood to lose his Brownlow but never his livelihood or his place in the senior side.
Said one player manager on Thursday: "If those [unsigned or irregular senior] players didn't toe the party line they were frightened they would lose their position or not get another contract.
"The players' parents are still too scared to stand up and say: 'This is unacceptable'. They fear for their sons. What if he goes to work and feels isolated by the group because of what his parents said? What if no one talks to him? They've all been told to say nothing.
"Even when the AFLPA guys spoke to the players there were some in the group who questioned them when they talked about potential penalties. It was like: 'Are you with us or against us?' There were definitely some divisions.
"Things are starting to happen now though. The tide is turning and that happened when the AFL released the charges."
Essendon's institutionalised response to the 2011 and 2012 drugs scandal has reeked of tribalism from the start. The club and its henchmen have frequently and nastily attacked its detractors. The stench of cover-up has pervaded the Bombers all season, ever since it was revealed its players were forced to sign secrecy contracts regarding the drugs program.
But those brainwashed are showing signs of being de-programmed. The players' union boss Matt Finnis will likely receive a more united hearing when he takes the players Essendon allowed to be used as guinea pigs last season through the ASADA interim report, as he has been permitted to do.
Several of the more involved and influential player managers now have the ASADA report.
And Tim Watson? You would have sworn listening to his radio show early on Thursday that he had read the AFL charge sheet against Essendon. And truly taken it all in.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tim-watsons-epic-fail-as-voice-of-bomber-parents-20130822-2sdij.html#ixzz2cfnG1wbS
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HIRD
He Injects Restricted Drugs hahaha
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As for Hirdy...
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/06/02/1226381/456923-megan-gale.jpg)
Wrong finger gerks unless you want to marry him.
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Yes players signed consent forms that listed what they would be given and therefore agreeing to take substances. However because of what appears to be the EFC's incompetance in record keeping no records exist as to who was given what. The consent form may soay one thing but blokes could have been given some thing completely different. In a marcabre sort of way Essendons incompetance may have in fact helped the players.
Reckon them signing those forms should be enough and Essendon should have to prove that they didn't take them, but I guess it just doesn't work that way :(
i bet it does :shh
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It should :shh
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It better... >:(
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As for Hirdy...
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/06/02/1226381/456923-megan-gale.jpg)
Putting the horse before the cart?
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It Will... :clapping
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Otherwise it'll go a little something like this :shh
Wada. What u inject
Efc can't remember / shredded papers
Wada you are innocent
Efc vindication!
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Robbo sen
Fat tub of skata
"The AFL have to give up ground
AFL cannot go to court
AFL must give in to threats"
:rollin
Vlad must not give up.
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Peter Gordon has just come out of the AFL meeting and spoke on behalf of the presidents of the other 17 clubs. They went and listened to the AFL and Essendon (Little) and then the 17 clubs met on their own to discuss the Essendon saga. After consideration, all 17 clubs have decided to unanimously support the AFL and its right to protect the integrity of the competition and the game.
So Essendon is well and truly on its own now.
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Robbo sen
Fat tub of skata
"The AFL have to give up ground
AFL cannot go to court
AFL must give in to threats"
:rollin
Vlad must not give up.
this is above blobbos pay grade.
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Big Gordo!!! :clapping :cheers
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Peter Gordon has just come out of the AFL meeting and spoke on behalf of the presidents of the other 17 clubs. They went and listened to the AFL and Essendon (Little) and then the 17 clubs met on their own to discuss the Essendon saga. After consideration, all 17 clubs have decided to unanimously support the AFL and its right to protect the integrity of the competition and the game.
So Essendon is well and truly on its own now.
:shh
Tasmania :clapping
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Don't the Essendon charges stem from their own internal report? How does one challenge that?
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I love the Big Gordovski.....the Big Gordbugs
Yesssss :clapping
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Sen
Efc fans comparison hird = Geez
:o :o
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Don't the Essendon charges stem from their own internal report? How does one challenge that?
No
It may have contributed to but it isn't the sole source just like the ASADA interim report isn't the only source
Have only just listened to the audio of the mother who was on MMM this morning
If listening to that doesn't get it through the collective thick heads and over blown egos of Hird, Little and the EFC then nothing will
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Keep Essendon saga out of the courts: clubs
By Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
5:35pm AEST Thursday, August 22, 2013
THE 17 AFL presidents and chairmen – excluding Essendon's Paul Little – have called on the AFL and the Bombers to resolve their ongoing dispute without going to court.
Western Bulldogs president Peter Gordon issued a brief statement after Thursday afternoon's meeting of all club chiefs.
"We resolved to unanimously express our support for the integrity of the AFL Rules and the need for those rules and the integrity of our competition to be preserved.
"In our view, it is of paramount importance that every effort be made to resolve these matters within the AFL industry."
All AFL clubs met with the League commission in Melbourne on Monday before the 17 other clubs met in the absence of Essendon and the AFL.
"We wish to unanimously express our confidence in the AFL Commission and AFL management," Gordon said on behalf of the 17 clubs.
"In the meantime, we call upon all parties to exercise restraint and discretion in any public comments about this matter and with the safety and welfare of players and their families and the integrity of the game as the paramount considerations."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-22/keep-it-out-of-the-courts
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Don't the Essendon charges stem from their own internal report? How does one challenge that?
No
It may have contributed to but it isn't the sole source just like the ASADA interim report isn't the only source
Have only just listened to the audio of the mother who was on MMM this morning
If listening to that doesn't get it through the collective thick heads and over blown egos of Hird, Little and the EFC then nothing will
Not when Timmy and another parent get on radio and say everything's fine because the Club 'assured' them none of the substances were harmful ::).
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Robbo
Tommy Watson
All biased fools
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I noticed an error on Hird's Supreme Court writ.
In the opening section when he noted his list of achievements, he listed that he won the 1996 Chas. Brownlow medal. I noticed that he forgot to put (shared) after it.
Throw it out of court!
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Peter Gordon has just come out of the AFL meeting and spoke on behalf of the presidents of the other 17 clubs. They went and listened to the AFL and Essendon (Little) and then the 17 clubs met on their own to discuss the Essendon saga. After consideration, all 17 clubs have decided to unanimously support the AFL and its right to protect the integrity of the competition and the game.
So Essendon is well and truly on its own now.
Hmmm Peter Gordon one half of law firm Slater and Gordon. :shh
Thanks Peter. :thumbsup
Go Doggies this weekend. :clapping
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Barrett is claiming tonight that divisions within Essendon are opening up and it's now every man for himself. Essendon staff not happy how only certain individuals only had access to the charges and that they didn't find out the serious of it all until the AFL released the charge sheet yesterday. Essendon people allegedly not happy with Corcoran over what ended up in the charge sheet and Cocoran allegedly not happy with how certain info ended up in the charge sheet. Add to that one Essendon player's manager is allegedly seeking legal advice on where his player stands (as far as his contract) if Essendon are found guilty.
Divided they fall! :yep
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Barrett is claiming tonight that divisions within Essendon are opening up and it's now every man for himself. Essendon staff not happy how only certain individuals only had access to the charges and that they didn't find out the serious of it all until the AFL released the charge sheet yesterday. Essendon people allegedly not happy with Corcoran over what ended up in the charge sheet and Cocoran allegedly not happy with how certain info ended up in the charge sheet. Add to that one Essendon player's manager is allegedly seeking legal advice on where his player stands (as far as his contract) if Essendon are found guilty.
Divided they fall! :yep
This is what their slogan for this year was referring to.
Whatever it takes (to survive by stabbing your mate in the back).
The last two lines of Hey You from the album The Wall by Pink Floyd are so apt for Tirdy.
"Hey you! don't tell me there's no hope at all
Together we stand, divided we fall."
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Cheak mate
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-tells-of-frightening-links-as-players-mum-slams-essendon/story-fni5f6kv-1226702430962?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HeraldSunTopStories+%28Herald+Sun+%7C+Top+Stories%29 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-tells-of-frightening-links-as-players-mum-slams-essendon/story-fni5f6kv-1226702430962?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HeraldSunTopStories+%28Herald+Sun+%7C+Top+Stories%29)
BANNED drug allegedly administered to Essendon players has been linked to various types of cancer, an expert sports physician has warned.
Dr Stephen Brown told the Herald Sun that several internationally respected studies had found links between Thymosin Beta-4 and cancer.
He says there are concerns the drug, which stimulates cell growth and can activate "dormant" cells, may cause a range of cancers, including melanoma, and pancreatic, colon and breast cancer.
The drug may have been given to Essendon players as part of the club's 2012 supplement program, according to the AFL's case against the club, which is now the subject of a Supreme Court lawsuit by James Hird.
Edit: fixed broken link
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What a shame when vitamin s mcviegh dies (god forbid) of vitamin c
Such a media guru
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What a shame when vitamin s mcviegh dies of vitamin c
Such a media guru
The vitamin C that was administered by injection which nurses and doctors all around the country stated that it can only be taken orally. :stupid
My doormat on the backdoor which my cat sleeps on has more media savvy than vitamins McHalia.
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"We were taken off-site into a sterile environment (because) footy clubs sometimes can be not that clean - filthy, absolutely filthy," he said.
"So we were taken into a sterile environment and the only injections that I ever had was a vitamin C or vitamin B injection, which would be at the time I had a little baby girl.
"I wasn't getting much sleep. I was run down. I had a bit of a cold.
"I had a vitamin C injection. It is not uncommon. Natural vitamins they are.
"That's all they were, nothing any more sinister than that."
good luck spike :)
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-players-can-walk-out-experts-20130822-2sekq.html
Legal experts believe there is a strong case to say that Essendon's alleged failing in providing a safe workplace would allow the players to terminate their contracts - in effect, enabling even those under contract to leave the club if they wished to exercise that right.
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So if Spike did end up with cancer, and tried to sue Essendon can they use his comments of vitamin C injections against him? Essendon are scum so wouldn't put it past them.
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It comes down to which side can afford more human rights lawyers and the best understanding of natural justice
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/top-law-firm-in-talks-with-dons-player-20130822-2sekm.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/top-law-firm-in-talks-with-dons-player-20130822-2sekm.html)
One of Melbourne's top compensation law firms is believed to be in talks with an Essendon player over the supplements scandal.
An industry source told Fairfax Media that national law firm Holding Redlich was providing early advice to at least one individual from the embattled AFL club.
On Thursday night a spokeswoman for the company said: ''Unfortunately Holding Redlich cannot comment on the Essendon matter at the moment.''
In March, lawyers for Holding Redlich believed to be in talks with an Essendon player who wrote an opinion piece for Fairfax Media.
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Workplace relations lawyers Andrea Reynolds and Emma Starkey said the drugs-in-sport controversy had created ''a legal minefield of conflicting interests''.
They said clubs that administered prohibited substances or failed to have adequate safeguards might breach their obligation to provide a safe work environment.
''This may also expose clubs to prosecution under relevant OHS legislation,'' they wrote.
Slater & Gordon's practice group leader, Ben Phi, said the immediate problem with launching legal action on behalf of players was that, as far as he was aware, no one had actually suffered any injuries as a result of the supplement program.
He said if there was potential for harm to develop in the long term they should consider quickly putting in place a program to monitor players' wellbeing.
But the supplements saga did get to court on Thursday when Essendon coach James Hird issued a writ against the AFL in the Supreme Court, claiming he had been denied natural justice and demanding AFL chief Andrew Demetriou be banned from taking part in any hearing against him.
Hird, who is charged with bringing the game into disrepute, is seeking an injunction stopping Demetriou and any AFL commissioner who has had access to the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority interim report on its investigation of Essendon from taking part in any hearing of the charge.
Hird also wants any hearing into the case delayed until he has been given details of the charge against him; a list of witnesses the AFL plans to call at the hearing and the substance of their evidence; and to be given all copies of documents the AFL will provide at the hearing.
Hird has given the AFL a deadline of September 16 to provide the information about the charge he faces and a September 30 deadline for information about the witnesses and other documentation the AFL will rely on to prosecute the Bombers' coach.
Hird, who claims he has been ambushed by the AFL, is also seeking damages for interference with his contractual obligations as Essendon coach, and legal costs.
Under the heading, 'AFL Acting in bad faith', Hird claimed that between February and August 21 this year the AFL had provided information to the media (directly or indirectly) with information it had acquired ''in the course of the alleged joint investigation''.
He said the AFL's intention to have the charge heard by the commission denied him natural justice and would cause him to suffer irreparable loss and damage and ''seriously interferes with Hird's coaching contract with Essendon''.
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Essendon players can walk out: experts
Jake Niall
The Age
August 23, 2013
Legal experts believe there is a strong case to say that Essendon's alleged failing in providing a safe workplace would allow the players to terminate their contracts - in effect, enabling even those under contract to leave the club if they wished to exercise that right.
Josh Bornstein, the deputy chair of Racing Victoria's appeals board and one the country's leading employment lawyers, said a case could be made that due to welfare, health and safety breaches, players could say their contract has been ''repudiated'', thereby allowing players to ''terminate'' the contract.
This view that Essendon might have repudiated the contracts by its treatment of players was shared by three other employment lawyers contacted by Fairfax Media. The AFL Players Association is also aware of this further legal novelty in the Essendon scandal - that players, if they wished, could seek to terminate contract and seek entry into the draft/trading system.
But rival clubs have also expressed concern about the prospect of players still being suspended for doping offences and there is also a view that those clubs would be reluctant to draft or trade for Essendon players, who might be suspended in the future - a situation that the Essendon, the AFLPA and the AFL have all wished to avoid from the outset of the scandal.
Most of Essendon's better players are under contract, and the club has been successful so far in avoiding any public breaking of the ranks from the playing group, albeit Triple M's breakfast show heard from a woman, ''Sarah'', who identified herself as a parent of an Essendon player and told host Eddie McGuire of her anger at the club for the way her son had been injected with substances and of the way it had handled the players and their parents.
Bornstein, a partner at Maurice Blackburn, said the repudiation of the contract would not require the players to have taken WADA banned substances, and it could be based upon the fact that the players had been either given ''harmful substances'' or if ''there is inadequate information about whether substance is harmful''.
''The question is what the player wants to do about that breach.''
Bornstein and other employment lawyers, who did to wish to be named, said there were common law provisions that applied to the players' contracts. There is also a clause in the AFL's standard player contract that states:
''The AFL club shall provide a playing, training and working environment which is, so far as is practicable, free of any risk to the health, safety and the welfare of the player. Without limitation, the AFL club shall observe and carry out its obligations under the applicable Occupational Health and Safety Act or its equivalent.''
Another leading employment lawyer said: ''I think it's probably a breach [of contract].'' He explained that AFL player contracts were different and more complicated, in that they were ''tripartite'' - involving the AFL as well as the club and the player.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-players-can-walk-out-experts-20130822-2sekq.html
Leading Melbourne lawyer Justin Quill confirmed players could walk away.
"There is a requirement for Essendon to provide a safe workplace and there is an argument it didn't do that because of the supplement program," he said.
"The follow-on is that there is an argument that Essendon has breached its duty to its players and is therefore effectively like a breach of their employment contract. That could allow players to walk away."
The AFL charge sheet said players were injected with "unprecedented frequency", under a regime that varied "sharply from prior practices" incorporating "exotic, mysterious and unfamiliar compounds".
"The club decided to implement the program without any meaningful input from appropriately qualified persons," it stated.
There is a provision under the collective bargaining agreement for players drafted by a club to refuse to sign a contract there.
But that player would need to provide exceptional circumstances why they should not play at Essendon, with heavy penalties for players who tamper with the draft.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-could-walk-away-from-the-club-as-a-result-of-supplement-saga/story-fndv8gad-1226702415886
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Tim Watson's conflicted role in Essendon saga
Caroline Wilson
The Age
August 23, 2013
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/tim-watsons-conflicted-role-in-essendon-saga-20130822-2sdij.html
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Here's Essendon's new theme song:
See the Bombers shoot up, up, AOD-9604
Cowboys who shoot drugs in their veins
Are always going to wallow in shame
See the Bombers shoot up, up, Thymosin Beta 4
Hexarelin and Mexican Vitamins
See the Bombers shoot up....
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Here's Essendon's new theme song:
See the Bombers shoot up, up, AOD-9604
Cowboys who shoot drugs in their veins
Are always going to wallow in shame
See the Bombers shoot up, up, Thymosin Beta 4
Hexarelin and Mexican Vitamins
See the Bombers shoot up....
Works for me!
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Hird presser at 11:30?
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Hird presser at 11:30?
Yeeeeeessssssssssssssssssss :clapping
I heard he's going to publicly thank Dice for helping him out with his legal bill next week ;D
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More delusional statements coming up which contradicts his conduct.....
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Was hoping he would perform seppuku but he doesn't have a lick of honour left even for that.
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Goodwin doing the presser :sleep
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Poor James doesnt want it to be about him :'(
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Poor James doesnt want it to be about him :'(
Leave Jimmy alone!!
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Oh my :o
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Apparently it's only from the HUN site, afl and Turd in talks now.
They are suggesting draft picks might be off the table. I hope not otherwise the AfL are a bigger joke than previously thought.
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Hopefully they just use them on re drafting banned players. Or more David Myers.
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Andrew Demetriou fully expects to sit on the AFL Commission meeting next Monday, despite the James Hird writ that has asked him to step aside from that role.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-23/chief-not-stepping-aside
Tim Watson has described as 'disgusting' claims he has become an unemotional spokesperson during the Essendon supplements saga. Watson revealed he had had a conversation with Wilson, leaving no doubt as to how disappointed he was with her article.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-23/fairfax-claims-disgusting-watson
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Apparently it's only from the HUN site, afl and Turd in talks now.
They are suggesting draft picks might be off the table. I hope not otherwise the AfL are a bigger joke than previously thought.
Reports says EFC & AFL in talks not EFC, Hird & AFL
It also says under the deal they will lose their points and NOT play in the finals
ESSENDON is locked in talks with the AFL that could see James Hird stand down as coach
This morning Bombers assistant coach Simon Goodwin insisted Hird would coach against Carlton tomorrow "as far as I know" after Hird pulled out of the scheduled press conference.
But discussions with the AFL in a bid to end the dispute could result in Hird standing aside and the club being stripped of its 2013 premiership points - ruling it out of the finals.
But the Bombers could retain their draft picks under the deal, The Australian reports.
Under the proposed settlement Hird would be free to continue his legal action against the AFL and defend the charges against him.
From:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/assistant-coach-simon-goodwin-declares-james-hird-will-coach-essendon-against-carlton/story-fnelctok-1226702085001
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The Australian Article:
James Hird could leave Essendon in AFL deal
by: Chip Le Grand
From: The Australian August 23, 2013 12:19PM
JAMES Hird could stand down as Essendon coach under a settlement to the supplement scandal being negotiated between the club and AFL.
The Australian understands the AFL and the club are currently locked in discussions to finalise a resolution to the damaging dispute.
Under the terms being negotiated, Hird would step down as Essendon coach and the Bombers would be stripped of all premiership points for this season.
The club would retain its draft picks and the allegations against Essendon would be substantially downgraded to reflect poor management and governance, rather than doping.
Hird who would be free continue his legal action against the AFL and defend the charges against him.
Hird, Essendon football manger Danny Corcoran, assistant coach Mark Thompson and club doctor Bruce Reid would still face charges of conduct unbecoming or prejudicial to the interests of the AFL.
The agreement, if accepted, would result in the club taking no part in next month's finals series. However, the retention of draft picks will ensure the fall-out from the crisis is largely limited to this season.
The agreement would enable the AFL's case against Essendon to be resolved at Monday's AFL Commission meeting, bringing closure to the most damaging scandal the game has faced.
Hird today was this morning unable to attend a scheduled press conference with an Essendon spokesman saying he was stuck in meetings.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/pointless-bombers-lose-james-hird/story-e6frg7mf-1226702664839
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Tim Watson has described as 'disgusting' claims he has become an unemotional spokesperson during the Essendon supplements saga. Watson revealed he had had a conversation with Wilson, leaving no doubt as to how disappointed he was with her article.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-23/fairfax-claims-disgusting-watson
Thought she made it clear she knew he was in a tough spot?
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The Australian Article:
James Hird could leave Essendon in AFL deal
by: Chip Le Grand
From: The Australian August 23, 2013 12:19PM
JAMES Hird could stand down as Essendon coach under a settlement to the supplement scandal being negotiated between the club and AFL.
The Australian understands the AFL and the club are currently locked in discussions to finalise a resolution to the damaging dispute.
Under the terms being negotiated, Hird would step down as Essendon coach and the Bombers would be stripped of all premiership points for this season.
The club would retain its draft picks and the allegations against Essendon would be substantially downgraded to reflect poor management and governance, rather than doping.
Hird who would be free continue his legal action against the AFL and defend the charges against him.
Hird, Essendon football manger Danny Corcoran, assistant coach Mark Thompson and club doctor Bruce Reid would still face charges of conduct unbecoming or prejudicial to the interests of the AFL.
The agreement, if accepted, would result in the club taking no part in next month's finals series. However, the retention of draft picks will ensure the fall-out from the crisis is largely limited to this season.
The agreement would enable the AFL's case against Essendon to be resolved at Monday's AFL Commission meeting, bringing closure to the most damaging scandal the game has faced.
Hird today was this morning unable to attend a scheduled press conference with an Essendon spokesman saying he was stuck in meetings.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/pointless-bombers-lose-james-hird/story-e6frg7mf-1226702664839
The AFL is clearly trying to drive a wedge between the club and Hird but if they are the sanctions then Essendon is getting off with just a slap on the wrist :banghead. Their season is gone and they won't survive the first week of the finals anyway so barring them from the finals is a non-event. if you want to punish a club then you take their draft picks away over more than one season. That then stuffs them up for the next 5-10 years.
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Apparently it's only from the HUN site, afl and Turd in talks now.
They are suggesting draft picks might be off the table. I hope not otherwise the AfL are a bigger joke than previously thought.
Reports says EFC & AFL in talks not EFC, Hird & AFL
It also says under the deal they will lose their points and NOT play in the finals
ESSENDON is locked in talks with the AFL that could see James Hird stand down as coach
This morning Bombers assistant coach Simon Goodwin insisted Hird would coach against Carlton tomorrow "as far as I know" after Hird pulled out of the scheduled press conference.
But discussions with the AFL in a bid to end the dispute could result in Hird standing aside and the club being stripped of its 2013 premiership points - ruling it out of the finals.
But the Bombers could retain their draft picks under the deal, The Australian reports.
Under the proposed settlement Hird would be free to continue his legal action against the AFL and defend the charges against him.
From:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/assistant-coach-simon-goodwin-declares-james-hird-will-coach-essendon-against-carlton/story-fnelctok-1226702085001
i know exactly what was said WP. Its from the Australian so certainly does carry more weight, however i dont care for their removal from 2013 finals, as much as i care that Hird cops his whack and draft penalties for 13/14
This is top of my list in terms of what penalty they should cop. This is how you hurt a club. Individuals can be replaced. Money can be borrowed but the drafting of young kids, history tells us destroys clubs.
This will hurt more, withn the anticipated departure of TBC, among others.
,
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If Hird told them to jump off a bridge...
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Here you go bents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FO-P2MXOUk
and another quality one ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn0gIWcXAW4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di0U8GgBAKA
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Draft picks and Hird banned or GTFO
Crows do a dodgy third party deal that doesnt even put them over the salary cap and their administrators get bans and loss of draft picks for 2 years
Essendon run an experimental drug lab and the AFL give them a wristy
FO
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"I think the welfare of our players is something that we all hold in high regard and are very concerned about, so it was very concerning to hear it," Hird said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-23/mums-lament-worries-hird
Yeah right! :rollin
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A bloke walks into a fancy dress shop to get a Count Dracula costume for
a party.
The woman hands him a Essendon jumper.
"Sorry," he says, "You must've misunderstood me. I said I want to look like
a count."
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A bloke walks into a fancy dress shop to get a Count Dracula costume for
a party.
The woman hands him a Essendon jumper.
"Sorry," he says, "You must've misunderstood me. I said I want to look like
a count."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDwQJ64UpFQ
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Draft picks and Hird banned or GTFO
Crows do a dodgy third party deal that doesnt even put them over the salary cap and their administrators get bans and loss of draft picks for 2 years
Essendon run an experimental drug lab and the AFL give them a wristy
FO
Yep, no mercy now after their latest stunt:
$2.5m fine
Loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks 2013-14
No finals 2013
Start 2014 with -20 points.
Hird and co. deregistered.
Essendon president and all board members to resign en masse.
If Hird actually read point 4 of his own writ, he acknowledges the AFL runs and controls the sport. As Brayshaw said last night, all the clubs agreed back in the 80s to hand full control of the game over to the commission. Sorry I don't see where Essendon have a legal leg to stand on. The AFL should throw the book at them.
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Deluded Bummer fans wanting to call the AFL's Bluff. :lol
Go for it I say!! :thumbsup
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"I think the welfare of our players is something that we all hold in high regard and are very concerned about, so it was very concerning to hear it," Hird said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-23/mums-lament-worries-hird
Yeah right! :rollin
yes?
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"I think the welfare of our players is something that we all hold in high regard and are very concerned about, so it was very concerning to hear it," Hird said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-23/mums-lament-worries-hird
Yeah right! :rollin
yes?
I think he mean't your Brother Asif. ;D
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Have to say based on the Australian's report I don't think Hird is going to be suspensed under any deal the AFL & EFC do.
It suggests he would "stand down" that is very from him being handed a suspension and being suspended.
Don't think the AFL can suspended Hird while his little legal stunt is pending.
So, I suppse the question becomes do the AFL go ahead and do a deal with the EFC that only impacts on the Club or do they just cease all negotiations until the legal side of things with Hird goes through the courts?
Personally I know which way I'd go and it doesn't involve any doing deals unless a severe penalty on Hird is part of any such deal.
Can't guarantee that then AFL walk away, you hold the aces anything that doens't include a suspension for Hird isn't good enough
And before people start having a go at me, go back and read what I've posted previously I have not moved at all on what I think the MINIMUM penalites should be and they my thought on those still stand
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AFL can totally suspend or ban Hird while his legal stunt is pending. What pig's brain have you been injecting?
Hird can then go and lodge another writ not worth the toilet paper it is written on.
LMFAO
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A bloke walks into a fancy dress shop to get a Count Dracula costume for
a party.
The woman hands him a Essendon jumper.
"Sorry," he says, "You must've misunderstood me. I said I want to look like
a count."
It would be in bad taste if they dress as cancer patients after the Mexico episode
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AFL can totally suspend or ban Hird while his legal stunt is pending. What pig's brain have you been injecting?
Hird can then go and lodge another writ not worth the toilet paper it is written on.
LMFAO
With page 3 all about how many Anzac days medals he's won
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AFL can totally suspend or ban Hird while his legal stunt is pending. What pig's brain have you been injecting?
Hird can then go and lodge another writ not worth the toilet paper it is written on.
LMFAO
With page 3 all about how many Anzac days medals he's won
Yessssss big bentssss :clapping :clapping
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AFL can totally suspend or ban Hird while his legal stunt is pending. What pig's brain have you been injecting?
Hird can then go and lodge another writ not worth the toilet paper it is written on.
LMFAO
Then tell me why are they suggesting that he will be stood down rather than suspended? There is massive massive difference between the 2
Clearly I may have used the wrong words, maybe what I should have said is "it doesn't look like the AFL are going to suspend Hird while his little legal stunt is pending"
The only way any deal will get done is if Mr Ego agrees to it and he aint going to agree to being suspended, so in that context maybe the AFL can't suspend him after all ;D
Legal sermantics ;D
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They nae want to be classed "drugs cheats" hence the poofing around with words
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Open Letter from the Chairman
essendonfc.com.au
4:57pm AEST Friday, August 23, 2013
Dear members and supporters
Thanks for the phone calls, letters, emails and text messages of support that have been flooding into the Club over the past months and particularly in recent days.
In addition to your strong support, another clear and consistent message is that you want these matters brought to a conclusion as soon as possible.
The Board and everyone at the Club is listening to you and we share your view.
The ongoing controversy is harmful to our players and their families, our officials, the Club, other AFL clubs and the AFL itself.
Despite the events of recent days, we believe these matters can be resolved before too long.
At yesterday's meeting of AFL Club Chairmen and Presidents, I stressed we wanted matters resolved… but also that matters need to be concluded in a fair manner with charges and penalties that reflect the Club's actual failings and the evidence.
We have made mistakes in terms of governance and people management, and we apologise for them. We also accept there will be AFL sanctions as a consequence…but the evidence does not extend to drug cheating, and we're working to ensure that the charges and ultimate penalties reflect this.
Thanks for your support of our players, our officials and the Board through these difficult times.
In addition to thanking those of us who take memberships year-in and year-out, in particular I'd like to thank and welcome our new members who’ve signed up during 2013 in record numbers .
We're all part of Essendon's large and growing family. Our family extends far and wide and together we will come through these tough times stronger, wiser and in a position to build on our 140-year history.
We will keep you updated with any developments over the coming days.
Go Bombers!
Paul Little
Chairman
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-08-23/open-letter-from-the-chairman
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"We have made mistakes in terms of governance and people management.......................…but the evidence does not extend to drug cheating"
Yeh because they cheated well
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"We have made mistakes in terms of governance and people management.......................…but the evidence does not extend to drug cheating"
Yeh because they cheated well
Yes their total lack of governance, protocols and incompetence which they've done better than any organisation I can ever remember has so far meant they can't pinged for cheating
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Caro saying deal is close but AFL wants it include draft picks.
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Bombers set to miss finals
Date
August 23, 2013 - 5:51PM
Caroline Wilson and Jake Niall
EXCLUSIVE
Essendon looks certain to not play finals as negotiations between the AFL and the club moved swiftly towards a resolution of the crisis that has engulfed the game.
While Essendon has adopted a "clean slate" approach that said it would accept punishment that did not impact greatly on the future - meaning it was desperate to cling to draft picks - the AFL was equally adamant that draft picks must be part of any punishment for the sake of the game's integrity. The AFL still sought to remove this year's first- and second-round picks, and the same in 2014.
A suspension for coach James Hird was also assured, with the AFL wanting a 12-month suspension.
Essendon's stance on the coach – a sticking point earlier in the week when Essendon rejected a settlement offer – was secondary to the issue of preserving draft picks and ensuring that the club was not severely impaired next year and beyond.
Late on Friday, Essendon chairman Paul Little issued a statement that said the Bombers wanted to bring matters to a conclusion as soon as possible. "The ongoing controversy is harmful to our players and their families, our officials, the club, other AFL clubs and the AFL itself."
He also apologised for the club's mistakes. "We have made mistakes in terms of governance and people management, and we apologise for them. We also accept there will be AFL sanctions as a consequence ... but the evidence does not extend to drug cheating, and we're working to ensure that the charges and ultimate penalties reflect this."
While talks remained delicately poised late on Friday, Hird's position appeared increasingly difficult with Little prepared to prioritise the club over the coach. Hird had been determined not to serve a suspension of longer than six months. Mark Thompson is set to avoid suspension and receive only a fine, with football operations manager Danny Corcoran also likely to be suspended. The position of the other individual facing charges, Dr Bruce Reid, was unclear. It was also unclear whether Hird would coach the season out for the last two games.
But, as Fairfax Media reported earlier this week, the club has given ground considerably on the issue of premiership points – agreeing to sacrifice those – meaning there is little chance that the club will play finals in a fortnight, opening the way for Carlton and possibly even North Melbourne to move into the eight.
Little and AFL executive Gillon McLachlan were in lengthy talks – an indication of the pragmatic line of both parties despite the conflict and legal threats and legal action taken by Hird against the AFL and of the backing the AFL regime received from the 17 other clubs who are tired of the damaging saga. The club had been offered a fine of more than $2.5 million in talks on Tuesday, but the extent of the fine was among the details still being hammered out.
Club presidents on Thursday underscored that relevant clubs needed to know Essendon's fate by next week to ensure that the lucky ninth was prepared for the first week of finals.
The negotiated potential penalties against Essendon, as reported exclusively by Fairfax Media on Wednesday night, would be unprecedented in the game's history. No team in the AFL has been stripped of premiership points. The Dons have maintained a consistent line that they will not be branded as drug cheats.
Little, who did not attend the Thursday meeting at AFL headquarters but took part via a telephone hook-up, was made aware of the compounding damage being inflicted on the game and on all the clubs.
While Little regard the proposed AFL penalties as disproportionate to Essendon's wrongdoings, he is understood to have taken on board some of the clubs' views. Several clubs remained hopeful that a settlement would be reached as soon as Friday but more likely by early next week with the commission still preparing to meet Essendon on Monday and reach a conclusion.
The prevailing view of rival clubs was that Essendon, despite the unprecedented nature of the AFL punishment, would be escaping relatively lightly given the failings of the club regarding its players.
The clubs also unofficially canvassed the prospect of league chief and commissioner Andrew Demetriou removing himself from Monday's hearing in the interests of settling the crisis.
Reports of a second Supreme Court writ being issued, this time by the Bombers, seemed highly unlikely to unfold with the club already facing legal and extra media consultancy fees of and estimated $1.2 million.
Hird launched Supreme Court action against the AFL on Thursday but had not set a date for a hearing.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-set-to-miss-finals-20130823-2sh01.html#ixzz2cmREdHeD
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Open Letter from the Chairman
essendonfc.com.au
4:57pm AEST Friday, August 23, 2013
want these matters brought to a conclusion as soon as possible.
The Board and everyone at the Club is listening to you and we share your view
Despite the events of recent days, we believe these matters can be resolved before too long.
At yesterday's meeting of AFL Club Chairmen and Presidents, I stressed we wanted matters resolved
James Hird has issued a writ against the AFL in the Supreme Court claiming he has been denied natural justice and demanding chief executive Andrew Demetriou be banned
http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/1723325/james-hird-launches-supreme-court-action-against-afl-and-andrew-demetriou/?cs=12
:whistle
the evidence does not extend to drug cheating
Go Bombers!
Paul Little
Chairman
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-08-23/open-letter-from-the-chairman
26. On 29 February 2012, Como issued an amended invoice to the Club which re-credited the
Club for the costs of the Hexarelin and “peptide Thymosin”.
27. In late May 2012 Dank discovered that the Thymosin he had been providing the players
(Thymosin Beta-4) was in fact prohibited
http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/EssendonFC-notice-of-charges.pdf
:whistle
Essendon players were given WADA-banned substances AOD9604 and Thymosin Beta 4
Eleven players have told ASADA that they were given what they were told was Thymosin, although they could not say what sort of Thymosin it was.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-players-given-banned-drugs-20130806-2rdvs.html#ixzz2cmRXcfAt
:whistle
Essendon players have been unable to explain to anti-doping investigators whether the club's 2012 supplements program involved Thymosin beta 4, popular with body builders because it aids muscle recovery, or a benign version, known as Thymosin alpha, used to treat AIDS and cancer patients and deemed by WADA not to have any performance-enhancing effect.
player testimony on the issue of Thymosin has been vague, with players unable to specify which type of the drug was taken.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/drug-suspicions-over-essendon-grow-20130704-2pfa5.html#ixzz2cmTg9F3E
:whistle
Caro saying deal is close but AFL wants it include draft picks.
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Bombers set to miss finals
Date
August 23, 2013 - 5:51PM
Caroline Wilson and Jake Niall
negotiations between the AFL and the club moved swiftly towards a resolution of the crisis that has engulfed the game.
While Essendon has adopted a "clean slate" approach that said it would accept punishment that did not impact greatly on the future
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-set-to-miss-finals-20130823-2sh01.html#ixzz2cmREdHeD
The entire concept of negotiation punishment with the sinning club is ludicrous. what punishment will inconvenience you least?
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#standbycaro
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"We have made mistakes in terms of governance and people management.......................…but the evidence does not extend to drug cheating"
Yeh because they cheated well
Not that well-The AFL has caught them out having banned drugs removed from invoices and amounts re-credited to the club.
They have also been caught falsely backdating ASADA compliance documents which as it turns out would have been useless even if they were genuine.
Everywhere I look on that charge sheet tells me that Essendon are drug cheats.
I don't usually rank my PDF files, but this is my all time favourite, it will be installed on every electronic device I ever own :clapping
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Bents leading the charge :clapping
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Little is still in denial ::). How does Essendon say they aren't drug cheats when they can't say definitively what was injected into their players due to your club's deliberate lack of record keeping and their deceptive dodgy processes off-site? The charges state the use of Thymosin beta-4 and AOD-9604 which are banned substances. The former is explicitly known as a banned substance under WADA's S2-clause. Essendon are trying to treat us all as fools but no one is buying it except for their moronic deluded supporters who think their cult leader Hird is "God" as one said on the news tonight :stupid.
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A Statement from Essendon and James Hird’s Lawyers
Posted August 23, 2013 by Titus in Regular Items
We, the lawyers representing the Essendon Football Club and James Hird, wish to make one thing clear to the AFL; we are going to keep this thing going until the club and James run out of money
Why? Because this case strikes right at the heart of that natural justice thing people keep banging on about.
Also, we’ve just seen next year’s private school bills and wow! We thought lawyers charged like wounded bulls.
Our message to the Essendon faithful is that there are a million reasons to stand by Hird, every billable hour after billable hour.
When we’re at lunch or golf or avoiding our families, we are all still standing by Hird because everyone wants to talk about the case, so start the meter running we say.
The Essendon members should be applauded for the way they’ve stuck by James and signed up in record numbers as members.
We want to assure you that your membership money is being well spent on a new beach house in Portsea, several pieces of difficult and pretentious art, a large share in a promising racing horse and countless overpriced watches.
The Essendon Board should also be praised for their courageous strategy of taking on the AFL and all the other clubs, despite the obvious insanity of this approach.
This strategy should lead to a legal quagmire that will take so long to resolve that several clerks should make partner before this is all over.
So thank you James and Paul, you are making a small group of already rich people even richer. Bless.
http://the-flack.com/2013/08/a-statement-from-essendon-and-james-hirds-lawyers/
A joke but true the lawyers must be loving this.
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 tonight says the decision on what penalties Essendon cop will be made Monday. Loss of match points and no finals a given.
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Essendon are History if McKenzie has this on a tape recorder. One of the best journos in the business. Good bye bombers. It was nice knowing yas. :lol
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html
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Essendon are History if McKenzie has this on a tape recorder. One of the best journos in the business. Good bye bombers. It was nice knowing yas. :lol
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html
McKenzie and Baker are the 2013 version of Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein :clapping.
The use of Thymosin beta-4 (according to Dank in that interview) could see Essendon players end up getting banned for six months to two years.
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Caro
Baker
McKenzie
:clapping
Fairfax have been so smooth
Efc raped by a newspaper
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See ya later Dopers, they are going to be in a world of pain for a long time.
The AFL is only the start of it, Hird will not be showing his face at that club for a long time if ever again.
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Big Bakes and Macca. :clapping :clapping
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Big Macster! The Biiiiiiig Maccanator!
MacDaddy Yesssss!!!
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
:bow :bow :bow :bow :bow
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Caro
Baker
McKenzie
:clapping
Fairfax have been so smooth
Efc raped by a newspaper
The three Warrior-Poets :clapping
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Wheatley still trying to make out this is ASADA's fault by focusing on just AOD-9604 ::).
As Essendon's supplements saga drags on it is time for ASADA to come clean on its investigation ...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/as-essendons-supplements-saga-drags-on-it-is-time-for-asada-to-come-clean-on-its-investigation/story-fni5ezno-1226703045537
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Essendon are History if McKenzie has this on a tape recorder. One of the best journos in the business. Good bye bombers. It was nice knowing yas. :lol
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html
Re-reading this, McKenzie set up Dank beautifully in that interview.
First he gets Dank to admit Thymosin Beta-4 was used and that it enhanced Essendon's performance:
NM: Thymosin Beta 4 – why was that used in Essendon players given there is an opinion from a doctor or researcher and other scientists that its effects are uncertain?
SD: That's not totally true Nick because, with all due respect, right, there is good data – very good data – that supports Thymosin Beta 4 in the immune system.
NM: Did you see any indications in Essendon players that it actually helped them?
SD: Well apart from the fact they won 11 out of their first 14 ...
Then again gets Dank to admit Thymosin Beta-4 was given to Essendon players and what dosage was used:
NM: How often were Essendon players taking Thymosin Beta 4?
SD: [Explains the dosage level but asks that this be not published].
Then hits Dank about Thymosin Beta-4 being a banned substance:
NM: ASADA has just released on its website that Thymosin Beta 4 is prohibited in all routes and out of competition.
SD: Well, that must have just only come in this year and I will get someone to speak to ASADA about that. That's just mind-blowing.
NM: Thymosin Beta 4, they must have just banned that.
SD: I think they've only just put that in to back up their case.
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And the truth will set you free!
:jump :veryhappy
Guarantee you McKenzie still has that interview on tape, so would ASADA I would think seeing the article says the interview was used by ASADA for their report
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:lol Dank, what a moron. :clapping :clapping
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:lol Dank, what a moron. :clapping :clapping
As Dank keeps saying in his cameos at home let it all come out in the courts. :stupid
Wonder if the cameos with boxes and "going to work" will continue. ;D
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Essendon are History if McKenzie has this on a tape recorder. One of the best journos in the business. Good bye bombers. It was nice knowing yas. :lol
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html
This is fair evidence.
How could the players NOT be sanctioned?
Conveniently the bombers have no record of what each player took and that's in an AFL environment that players are monitored with training, diet and performance.
The mind boggling thing is that so many delusional Essendrug fans actually still believe their club and their goldenboy savior.
Personally I like the fact the players might escape penalty. But I won't be satisfied if the club doesn't get a BIG penalty for this fiasco. And the most important thing and its a must......
HIRD MUST BE KICKED OUT OF THE AFL FOREVER!
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Once this is over I don't think Hird could show his face at the club at least whilst the careers of current Essendon players are in progress at the very least.
Hird has lost all credibility from the public and football community. No-one would want to hear anything from him regarding footy. He will just retreat into private life with his JB Weir pals and do something with them to pay the bills.
More recently we saw a doco on RFC and the lost years. As big as GR was for us it showed also that some of his characteristics and vulnerabilities ultimately destroyed us too, something similar can now be said of Hird where his vulnerability in character in wanting to stay ahead of everyone and cheating his way to do this will certainly destroy the fabric of his club for many years to come given there will be a Hird and non Hird camp at board level, parents who will want to absolute assurances from a club that they are doing the right thing by the kids, kids who may want to walk from the club given what has transpired.
Pending the severity of punishments and comings and goings of playing roster based both on players voluntarily seeking to play elsewhere or WADA punishments Essendon may effectively be a GC/GWS scenario minus the money, minus the draft picks, minus the players, minus the board and only having a very tarnished and disgraced reputation of a foundation VFL/AFL member.
Just remember Essendon we were on the dark side of the moon first see you in about 40 years.
Oh and thanks for the memories and the humour you have provided.
See ya malakes.
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Big Macster! The Biiiiiiig Maccanator!
MacDaddy Yesssss!!!
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
:bow :bow :bow :bow :bow
LMAO
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i cant see how players can escape penalty now. Unbelievable.
it will open up a can of worms in future cases if they do.
Its safe to say we are seeing the death of a football club for years to come and to be honest it couldnt have happened to a better organization.
RIP EFC
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Cotchin Brownlow
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I'm confused by something if anyone can enlighten me it'll be much appreciated.
If Andrew Demetriou really did call Evans to warn him about the potential problems that Essendon might face, why would Hird or Essendon or essendon supporters be angry with him for doing it?
Sorry for my ignorance here but I fail to understand the angst if someone is trying to warn you of impending danger.
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I'm confused by something if anyone can enlighten me it'll be much appreciated.
If Andrew Demetriou really did call Evans to warn him about the potential problems that Essendon might face, why would Hird or Essendon or essendon supporters be angry with him for doing it?
Sorry for my ignorance here but I fail to understand the angst if someone is trying to warn you of impending danger.
When you can't fight the charge fight the charger
Efc entire position is ridiculous. In what manner would they most like to have been informed the authorities know they are drug cheating?
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I'm confused by something if anyone can enlighten me it'll be much appreciated.
If Andrew Demetriou really did call Evans to warn him about the potential problems that Essendon might face, why would Hird or Essendon or essendon supporters be angry with him for doing it?
Sorry for my ignorance here but I fail to understand the angst if someone is trying to warn you of impending danger.
Lagging rat, is all Hird is.
Glad to watch him play all his bent cards and in doing so, revealing his true colors.
*cue Cyndi Lauper*
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Thought about this while driving home listening to 3AW just after midday.
Really wish this was going to go to a hearing, an open hearing because for mine there is only one question that needs to be asked and the EFC need to answer and they wont want to. Forget asking about did they give the players. Just need to ask then one thing
Why did you (the EFC and the 4 individuals) allow it?
Fine to say you wrote a letter, fine to say in a meeting you said stop it but after that you did nothing so why did you allow it?
Reckon we all know the answer and that is because what Mr Ego wanted Mr Ego which in this case is why they are guilty of something worse than what they gave their players.
They are guilty of failing their players, in their duty of care, their ignoring their players welfare, their clear responsibility to their players. The fact they cannot tell the players what they received is damning
And for that they have to receive the harshest penalties in the history of the game.
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Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:
- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts
And the truth will set you free ;D
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Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:
- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts
And the truth will set you free ;D
now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV
players should cop it too
i mean how could they not. A VFL player ordered something online that never got to him so surely they are goneski.
If ASADA have any balls which i doubt they have in this case some have to go
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12 month suspension on Tird is a further indictment on the game and even more so on it's governing body,the afl.
This prick should be handed a 10 year to lifetime BAN.
The sporting equivalent of capital punishment.
Make an example that will be remembered by all in the future, should they as much as entertain the thought of any such behavior
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Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:
- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts
And the truth will set you free ;D
now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV
players should cop it too
i mean how could they not. A VFL player ordered something online that never got to him so surely they are goneski.
If ASADA have any balls which i doubt they have in this case some have to go
Why wouldn't they have any balls? What is it they're scared of?
I don't get it...
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Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:
- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts
And the truth will set you free ;D
now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV
Have to say I don't think the EFC has any right to make demands re the penalties. That "right" went out the window on Wednesday when those 34 pages of shame were released
And hasn't Mr Little changed his approach since Thursday's presidents meeting ;D ;D
And I think we the footy public owe "Sarah" a massive thank you because I reckon her call to Eddie was the biggest catalyst that turned the final tide of public opinion against the bombers even some of their own supporters
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12 month suspension on Tird is a further indictment on the game and even more so on it's governing body,the afl.
This prick should be handed a 1- year to lifetime BAN.
The sporting equivalent of capital punishment.
Make an example that will be remembered by all in the future, should they as much as entertain the thought of any such behavior
:clapping :clapping :clapping
I too think he should be made an example of.
Lifetime ban for Hirdy!
Top post. :thumbsup
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Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:
- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts
And the truth will set you free ;D
now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV
players should cop it too
i mean how could they not. A VFL player ordered something online that never got to him so surely they are goneski.
If ASADA have any balls which i doubt they have in this case some have to go
Why wouldn't they have any balls? What is it they're scared of?
I don't get it...
ASADA not done with this case yet.
Was interesting on 3AW they spoke about that what keeps getting forgotten is that the ASADA investigation(s) doesn't just include the EFC, there is Melbourne's issues with AOD-6904 and Dank (forgotten), the NRL side of things. Separate investigation but there is also one involving Bock (GC) so ASADA have alot of going on ;D
Plenty still come from ASADA ;D
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12 month suspension on Tird is a further indictment on the game and even more so on it's governing body,the afl.
This prick should be handed a 1- year to lifetime BAN.
The sporting equivalent of capital punishment.
Make an example that will be remembered by all in the future, should they as much as entertain the thought of any such behavior
:clapping :clapping :clapping
I too think he should be made an example of.
Lifetime ban for Hirdy!
Top post. :thumbsup
I meant to type "10 year to lifetime ban" - not 1 year.
Sorry
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12 month suspension on Tird is a further indictment on the game and even more so on it's governing body,the afl.
This prick should be handed a 1- year to lifetime BAN.
The sporting equivalent of capital punishment.
Make an example that will be remembered by all in the future, should they as much as entertain the thought of any such behavior
:clapping :clapping :clapping
I too think he should be made an example of.
Lifetime ban for Hirdy!
Top post. :thumbsup
I meant to type "10 year to lifetime ban" - not 1 year.
Sorry
On ya Ox. :thumbsup
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Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:
- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts
And the truth will set you free ;D
now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV
players should cop it too
i mean how could they not. A VFL player ordered something online that never got to him so surely they are goneski.
If ASADA have any balls which i doubt they have in this case some have to go
WAAAAADDDDAAAAAA which we should all chant at the game v the Dons will pump essendon if Asada dont do it. Essendon are gonna get reamed. Mike Sheahan shoulda done "Essendon the lost years coming up" Theyre going into the wilderness after this.
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Ch7 news reporting penalties likely to be:
- Hird suspended 12 months
- loss of all points = no finals
- $2 million fine (could be more)
- loss of 1st and 2nd round draft picks for the next 2 drafts
And the truth will set you free ;D
now we're talking. This is the bare minimun IMV
players should cop it too
i mean how could they not. A VFL player ordered something online that never got to him so surely they are goneski.
If ASADA have any balls which i doubt they have in this case some have to go
Why wouldn't they have any balls? What is it they're scared of?
I don't get it...
ASADA not done with this case yet.
Was interesting on 3AW they spoke about that what keeps getting forgotten is that the ASADA investigation(s) doesn't just include the EFC, there is Melbourne's issues with AOD-6904 and Dank (forgotten), the NRL side of things. Separate investigation but there is also one involving Bock so ASADA have alot of going on ;D
Plenty still come from ASADA ;D
why cant the AFL deliver their own punishment for the players who have breached.
The evidence is there for all to see.
Im sorry WP but i put ASADA in the same category as the EFC. NFI
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Asada is a paper Lion.
Like a poo Australian ambassador with no clue,cluelessly waiting for advice and decisions to be made by their employee.
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The Bombers still haven't learnt anything :facepalm
Bombers would welcome Hird back after any suspension
By Sam Lienert AAP, Callum Twomey and Mark Macgugan
7:58pm AEST Saturday, August 24, 2013
ESSENDON chairman Paul Little wants James Hird to return as coach if he serves a suspension as punishment for last year's supplements saga.
Little said the Bombers, who are in negotiations with the AFL over their penalty, will attend a scheduled AFL Commission hearing on Monday.
He is confident the League and the club are close to reaching a "middle ground" on penalties which both parties can accept, although he said he could not guarantee it would be achieved before the finals.
The sanctions are likely to include the Bombers being stripped of premiership points and their finals berth, and being fined heavily, as well as a ban for Hird.
But Little would not confirm any of those details, saying he did not want to pre-empt the outcome.
Asked if Saturday night's game against Carlton could be Hird's last in charge of the club, Little said he did not believe so.
"I'm certain that that's not being requested at this stage, so I would say no to that," Little told the Seven Network pre-match.
He said the Bombers would want Hird back in charge if he had to serve a 12-month ban.
"Absolutely and that would be our preference," Little said.
He said he did not want to answer on Hird's behalf as to what would be an appropriate sanction for the coach.
Little also confirmed the AFL had given the club the option of accepting a penalty on their own behalf, while leaving Hird and club doctor Bruce Reid to battle the League separately, if they chose to.
"At this stage all I can say to you is it is a package (being negotiated between the Bombers and the AFL) other than the option that's been given for James or Bruce Reid to opt out of that should they wish to," Little said.
"But we're trying very hard to get the package agreed."
Little said he hoped Hird would get his time to tell his side of the story.
"James is very remorseful. I've spoken to him, he's spoken to the parents, we see that as a very private area of him admitting remorse," Little said.
"James is remorseful and he's looking for an opportunity to actually express that and at this point in time it's not going to be a five-second message out the front of his house."
Little said the prospect of Essendon participating in this year's finals series was being negotiated with the AFL.
"At this stage it's part of what I'm working through with the AFL and it's certainly on the table, both from the AFL's point of view and our point of view," Little said.
"It will become clearer when we reach agreement with the AFL."
Little said he was "personally disappointed" with the collective response of the 17 other club presidents and chairmen who attended a meeting at AFL House on Thursday to be updated on the situation.
They unanimously expressed their support in the AFL's management and commission.
"I have to say it was my first time that I've had an opportunity to speak with the other clubs," he said.
"I was somewhat disappointed that the other clubs offered a lot of support and then put out a notice that they were strongly behind the AFL, however that was always their prerogative."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-24/dons-close-to-deal
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why cant the AFL deliver their own punishment for the players who have breached.
The evidence is there for all to see.
Im sorry WP but i put ASADA in the same category as the EFC. NFI
Daniel,
Why? Because they can't and won't because the report is an interim report only. ASADA's investigations are not complete
I am trying to be a smart you know what but I am not sure if it is a case of you don't understand how the process works or you chose to ignore it because you don't like it
The AFL is a signatory to the WADA code. This means that the AFL as signatory is bound to follow the rules and processes of the WADA code. ASADA is organisation within Australia that administers the WADA code (rules). They conduct the testing, any investigations etc that are required under the code. They issue the infraction notices for any breaches they find to relevant sporting bodies in this case the AFL, the AFL then brings the players before their Anti-Doping tribunal. The AFL tribunal then hand out the penalties (suspension). If WADA are not satisfied with the penalty they can apply a harsher penalty.
As I said above the report is an interim report. Why? The main reason is because since August have had new powers given to them that means they can now subpoena people to appear before them. This means they can now force Dank to be interviewed. Up until August this was not possible. I reckon 3 times in the last fortnight I've said this.
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i know exactly how it works and i still maintain ASADA have no got idea what they are doing and players will get off.
It will pan out like this
Players cleared
Hird gets 12 months. His 2IC and another fool in Bomber to coach
Out of 2013/2014 but allowed to release players out, hence collecting some picks on the way in
2 million fine. 500k paid by the afl. 1.5k half paid by Little
They will think they come out of this clean and that makes me sick
I cant understand how in reality Adelaide copped the same punishment, in terms of concessions.
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I like WPs idea of the fine going to the other 17 clubs .Any advantage the Dons gained throughtout this period from using whatever they used would be neutralised by the other clubs getting some monetary compensation.
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I was never a huge Dons hater I reserved that for the blues and pies. However from now on this club ,in my eyes anyway will be tainted with what has occurred .It is indeed unfortunate to what lengths we humans will resort to for the sake of winning ,whereby we place at risk the very people we have under our care.
But should we expect anything different ,for the same mistakes are repeated again ,again throughout history
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How can they just give a 12 month suspension to someone who experiments on kids?
Lifetime ban for this piece of scum
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Every commentator seems to go to great lengths that they don't think Essendon was trying to cheat. Can they explain what exactly do they think they were trying to do then? I'd rather be called a cheat than to be accused of doing medical experimentations on kids. I don't follow their logic and wish they'd explain a bit more.
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Every commentator seems to go to great lengths that they don't think Essendon was trying to cheat. Can they explain what exactly do they think they were trying to do then? I'd rather be called a cheat than to be accused of doing medical experimentations on kids. I don't follow their logic and wish they'd explain a bit more.
Funny we were talking about this exact same thing last night over dinner what exactly were they were trying to do? Consensus? They were trying to win anyway they could without consideration of the consequences.
It doesn't matter what the EFC chose to call it, what the final charges are called the facts are as far as the average fan is concerned the EFC cheated to try and win.
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Every commentator seems to go to great lengths that they don't think Essendon was trying to cheat. Can they explain what exactly do they think they were trying to do then? I'd rather be called a cheat than to be accused of doing medical experimentations on kids. I don't follow their logic and wish they'd explain a bit more.
Funny we were talking about this exact same thing last night over dinner what exactly were they were trying to do? Consensus? They were trying to win anyway they could without consideration of the consequences.
It doesn't matter what the EFC chose to call it, what the final charges are caled the facts are as far as the average is concerned the EFC cheated to try and win.
To blasphemise Alan Jeans, "Cheaters are like sausages, you can fry them, grill them, bake them, they’re still cheaters.”
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How can they just give a 12 month suspension to someone who experiments on kids?
Lifetime ban for this piece of scum
This is why I'm too concerned if the players don't get sanctioned. It is the club and the decision makers that need to be punished
They may have been naive and overly trusting, but really they are victims of this uncaring ruthless attitude by those who had the power, in their self serving search for glory, in particular the young ones who really would not be in a position to question those that are employed to look after them.
after listening to the bird claiming to be the mother of a player, would people feel that that player in question needs to now feel the full weight of the law?
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i know exactly how it works and i still maintain ASADA have no got idea what they are doing and players will get off.
Do you really? Then why do you keep on insisting the the AFL do ASADAS's job and ASADA do the AFL job?
Which part of the ASADA report being interim so therefore ASADA cannot /will not lay charges don't you understand?
With the ASADA report being interim how can the AFL lay any charges when they have no infraction notices to act on?
That's the process rightly or wrongly that the AFL has to follow being a signatory of the WADA code
Get the feeling form the rest of your post it won't matter what the penalty is it won't be enough and that your right.
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He's a sly dog
Question: Do you regret undertaking that supplement program now?
Hird: That's a really interesting question. I'd probably like to answer that (trails off) ... Do I regret? I certainly regret what's happened in 2012, some certain aspects of what's happened in 2012. I think the whole club does.
Most people regret things always after the fact
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If he was in jail and had to go before the Parole Board to explain why he should be released, and one of the things they'd be looking at is acceptance of the crime, genuine remorse and a willingness to change his life.
You don't see any of that in James. He's still playing the victim card, and I definitely won't be pardoning him like the media seem to be by blowing up his arse.
PS: I've been away from here for a while, just had to express my thoughts haha
As you were lol
GO TIGES!!! :gotigers
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Daniel - I agree the game has less creditiblity than World Wrestling Entertainment.
The only saving grace IMO is WADA come over the top. I dont see how you can get off the TB4. God forbid the AFL make a deal with WADA. :banghead
I assume this is not possible / legal but the world we live in is very dodgy. That said this organisation has taken down the worlds biggest drug cheats so i doubt they are scared of a club in the western suburbs of a country at the bottom of the world.
Every commentator seems to go to great lengths that they don't think Essendon was trying to cheat. Can they explain what exactly do they think they were trying to do then? I'd rather be called a cheat than to be accused of doing medical experimentations on kids. I don't follow their logic and wish they'd explain a bit more.
If you (an employee of essendon football club) puts WADA banned drugs into needles and inject them into the playing group in what possible way are you not trying to cheat? IMO the media just do not want to label EFC as drug cheats despite the fact blind Freddie can see drug cheating is taking place.
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i know exactly how it works and i still maintain ASADA have no got idea what they are doing and players will get off.
Do you really? Then why do you keep on insisting the the AFL do ASADAS's job and ASADA do the AFL job?
Which part of the ASADA report being interim so therefore ASADA cannot /will not lay charges don't you understand?
With the ASADA report being interim how can the AFL lay any charges when they have no infraction notices to act on?
That's the process rightly or wrongly that the AFL has to follow being a signatory of the WADA code
Get the feeling form the rest of your post it won't matter what the penalty is it won't be enough and that your right.
well your last line is wrong.
Since that Dank interview came to light my view has changed.
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Anything less than player sanctions would be a farce. I cant and wont accept that Watson won the brownlow off his own bat. That medal is worthless in my eyes and he cheated his way to the podium.
You think its part of the process, which it is, i think it will result in players getting off through some side deal.
Lees defence was he thought it didnt contain steroids and still copped 18 months
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couldnt agree more DannyBhoy
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Snowsen, cousin of baker / mckenzie :shh
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Every commentator seems to go to great lengths that they don't think Essendon was trying to cheat. Can they explain what exactly do they think they were trying to do then? I'd rather be called a cheat than to be accused of doing medical experimentations on kids. I don't follow their logic and wish they'd explain a bit more.
Funny we were talking about this exact same thing last night over dinner what exactly were they were trying to do? Consensus? They were trying to win anyway they could without consideration of the consequences.
It doesn't matter what the EFC chose to call it, what the final charges are called the facts are as far as the average fan is concerned the EFC cheated to try and win.
Exactly. What else were they trying to do?
Hird is only sorry they got caught. There is no true remorse.
Theres been a softening of rhetoric since the report was released, and the mothers phone call to mmm, but its still PR spin.
Had to laugh when at the post game press conference last night, Hird was asked about the Carlton fans booing Watson, to which Hird responded that he didnt understand the reason behind why they were booing him. UMMMMMM, PERHAPS BECAUSE HE ADMITTED TO TAKING A BANNED SUBSTANCE JAMES?
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What else were they trying to do?
It was just a bit of "poor governance". Certainly not "drug cheating" cause Bomber Thompson doesnt want that on his tombstone. :whistle
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What else were they trying to do?
It was just a bit of "poor governance". Certainly not "drug cheating"
Yes. The thousands of mystery drug shots given were purely incidental, and without motive. To tell the truth, we just woke up one day and as fate has it, thought eff it, lets embark on a pointless injection campaign for the hell of it.
But we certainly did not set out to be drug cheats.
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What else were they trying to do?
It was just a bit of "poor governance". Certainly not "drug cheating"
Yes. The thousands of mystery drug shots given were purely incidental, and without motive. To tell the truth, we just woke up one day and as fate has it, thought eff it, lets embark on a pointless injection campaign for the hell of it.
But we certainly did not set out to be drug cheats.
at the same time Dooks dont you think the players should take some of the blame also.
how many times is an AFL player asked to go offside for injections by a bloke called Dank who has criminal ties.
It wouldve taken one call from a player to ASADA but not one of them bothered to do it.
The EFC are culpable and the players should be done for ignorance.
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What else were they trying to do?
It was just a bit of "poor governance". Certainly not "drug cheating"
Yes. The thousands of mystery drug shots given were purely incidental, and without motive. To tell the truth, we just woke up one day and as fate has it, thought eff it, lets embark on a pointless injection campaign for the hell of it.
But we certainly did not set out to be drug cheats.
at the same time Dooks dont you think the players should take some of the blame also.
how many times is an AFL player asked to go offside for injections by a bloke called Dank who has criminal ties.
It wouldve taken one call from a player to ASADA but not one of them bothered to do it.
The EFC are culpable and the players should be done for ignorance.
11.2 Use or Attempted Use by a Player of a Prohibited Substance or a Prohibited
Method.9
(a) It is each Player’s personal duty to ensure that no Prohibited Substance enters
his body. Accordingly, it is not necessary that intent, fault, negligence or
knowing Use on the Player’s part be demonstrated in order to establish an Anti
Doping Rule Violation for Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method.
http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Schedule%206%20-%20National%20Anti-Doping%20Code.pdf
:whistle
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What else were they trying to do?
It was just a bit of "poor governance". Certainly not "drug cheating"
Yes. The thousands of mystery drug shots given were purely incidental, and without motive. To tell the truth, we just woke up one day and as fate has it, thought eff it, lets embark on a pointless injection campaign for the hell of it.
But we certainly did not set out to be drug cheats.
at the same time Dooks dont you think the players should take some of the blame also.
how many times is an AFL player asked to go offside for injections by a bloke called Dank who has criminal ties.
It wouldve taken one call from a player to ASADA but not one of them bothered to do it.
The EFC are culpable and the players should be done for ignorance.
Up to a certain point.
Try to put yourself in the position of a young player, having just entered a world so foreign and new to anything you have experienced.
every day you are placing your faith in the coaches and medical/fitness staff to know and do whats best, after all that is what they are paid to do. in such an environment, constant questioning is actually counterproductive.
It's fine for anyone outside that to sit here and say that they should have done this and should have done that, but the reality is most people in the same position will not.
The more senior players, in particular the ones in the leadership group would be the ones in a position to question what was happening, but the younger ones would be simply doing what they were told, by those that they trusted.
This to me, is what makes what happened so vile, that those responsible took advantage and quite possible have done long term harm to the health of people who trusted and relied on them to do the right thing.
In that sense, it's not so different from priests rooting little boys
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What else were they trying to do?
It was just a bit of "poor governance". Certainly not "drug cheating"
Yes. The thousands of mystery drug shots given were purely incidental, and without motive. To tell the truth, we just woke up one day and as fate has it, thought eff it, lets embark on a pointless injection campaign for the hell of it.
But we certainly did not set out to be drug cheats.
at the same time Dooks dont you think the players should take some of the blame also.
how many times is an AFL player asked to go offside for injections by a bloke called Dank who has criminal ties.
It wouldve taken one call from a player to ASADA but not one of them bothered to do it.
The EFC are culpable and the players should be done for ignorance.
Up to a certain point.
Try to put yourself in the position of a young player, having just entered a world so foreign and new to anything you have experienced.
every day you are placing your faith in the coaches and medical/fitness staff to know and do whats best, after all that is what they are paid to do. in such an environment, constant questioning is actually counterproductive.
It's fine for anyone outside that to sit here and say that they should have done this and should have done that, but the reality is most people in the same position will not.
The more senior players, in particular the ones in the leadership group would be the ones in a position to question what was happening, but the younger ones would be simply doing what they were told, by those that they trusted.
This to me, is what makes what happened so vile, that those responsible took advantage and quite possible have done long term harm to the health of people who trusted and relied on them to do the right thing.
In that sense, it's not so different from priests rooting little boys
na, thats rubbish. They are professional footballers who get good money to train and play matches. They are told all the time, literally dozens of times they cannot break the drug rules. In the WAFL there is big ass writing in the change rooms "dont put drugs in your body or WADA will get you" or something to that effect. This country looks down upon chinese swimmer or east germans that are juiced to the eyeball but takes a hypocritical stance when in comes to drug cheating in our backyard. We make excuses "they are good blokes", "they are too young to challenge the medical staff" blablabla. At least cycling as a sport is improving. AFL= joke.
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/World_Anti-Doping_Program/WADP-The-Code/WADA_Anti-Doping_CODE_2009_EN.pdf
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so you really expect that a newly drafted player will walk into a club and start questioning what supplements they are being given?
it aint gunna happen and anyone who reckons they would do so in that position are full of themselves and poo.
I think you will find that the players are told not to take anything without the approval of the clubs medical/fitness staff. they have every right to expect these blokes will do the right thing for them, after all thats what they are paid for.
Most people wont even question their own bosses for fear of rocking the boat, yet alone expecting a kid entering the AFL environment to do so right off the bat.
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The issue is any person under the wada code can claim drugs were taken under instruction of the doctor.
Bolt
Armstrong
This is why the wada rules are worded as they are.
Its an arrogance view to think an Australian football club unique and special, above the rules.
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which is why that argument will not actually get you off charges, but may get a reduced penalty.
Armstrong was the architect anyways and bullied others into his scheme, once again taking advantage of the vulnerable.
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unfortunately you cant put penalise the older players and not the younger ones.
they are all guilty of ignorance. Its not as if its something new. Each year they are told about calling the ASADA number and even at TAC level they would've been told. Not one person bothered to call ASADA, not one of them bothered to google Dank's name and his links and question the clubs program.
if i am 18 and go to a club, get handed a drink then drive home wasted, only to get caught with a substance in my system.
Whose fault is that? Mine. No one else.
The harsher penalty should fall on the Turd but what kind of precedence does it set if veterans like fleth and watson get off scott free, after being educataed on this very subject for 10 years.
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The 3 kids that shot the Aussie baseballer should be let off cause they were young?
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thats one of the silliest things you have posted, including all of the garble due to your auto correct
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I've posted an awfuk lot of silly things.
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lol
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I've posted an awstuff lot of silly things.
:lol
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Silly Bents
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I actually don't think they are guilty of ignorance as such. Think it is more like they are guilty of blind faith and blatant stupidity
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The 3 kids that shot the Aussie baseballer should be let off cause they were young?
Bents not your finest work that. Stick to needling Essendon. Pardon the pun.
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I actually don't think they are guilty of ignorance as such. Think it is more like they are guilty of blind faith and blatant stupidity
AKA ignorance
Definition of ignorance:
The lack of knowledge in reference to a situation, particularly a messy one. Once the whole truth is revealed one realizes they were much happier being clueless.
The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.
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I actually don't think they are guilty of ignorance as such. Think it is more like they are guilty of blind faith and blatant stupidity
AKA ignorance
Definition of ignorance:
The lack of knowledge in reference to a situation, particularly a messy one. Once the whole truth is revealed one realizes they were much happier being clueless.
The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.
Thank you, though I am, well aware of what ignorance means
What I was trying to get at was the young players in particular have so much blind faith in Mr Ego, that they were ignorant to what they were doing = blatant stupidity
Semantics :laugh:
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The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.
90-95% of the population.
I take it daniel that you believe that the talk about the players having a case against the club for negligence in duty of care is way off the mark?
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so are these cheating dogs gonna cop draft penalties at least?
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bare minimum
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:rollin
so are these cheating dogs gonna cop draft penalties at least?
This time tomorrow we will know
And yes I reckon they will
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The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.
90-95% of the population.
I take it daniel that you believe that the talk about the players having a case against the club for negligence in duty of care is way off the mark?
good question
WADA may find players guilty(unlikely) then i guess players can sue the club and have a right to do so.
Ultimately though players signed waivers, and if it was they were happy to get injected with a banned substance, i struggle to find how they can get out of it especially the older ones who have been around a long time.
At the end of the day the EFC are led by very stupid people and the players are not far behind.
We are talking about players who are in their 20's who have been around a long time.
You have kids? Well i can tell you if mine came home and said he was getting taken away for injections from scientists, i would be straight on the net or on the phone.
I hope the players cop bans and i also hope they sue the club for negligence for dealing with ex criminals to assist in their program
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if the players, in particular the younger ones, are to take full responsibility, how can they then possibly have a case against the club?
Without knowing exactly what evidence WADA/ASADA have, I believe that they will find players guilty, as the rules do not permit exceptional circumstances from countering this.
I do believe though, that a number of players will, and IMO rightly so, use the exceptional circumstances clause to have a reduction in penalty.
I dont believe that the more senior players have a case in this aspect and I hope that the book is thrown well and truly at those that abused their position of trust and have quite possibly harmed the health and well being of those that relied on, and trusted these people to have their best interests at heart.
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Love how an AFL probe is about to become an Anal probe
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-clings-to-hope-of-retaining-draft-picks-expected-to-lose-premiership-points-on-monday/story-fni5f6kv-1226703774103
F.O
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what a farce
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Essendon is likely to go it alone from its coach James Hird on Monday and pursue a plea deal with the AFL that will have the club barred from this year's finals, fined heavily and missing two years of prime draft picks.
Hird is shaping to continue his personal legal resistance to the charges levelled against him and unless a deal was able to be brokered overnight on Sunday will enter the commission hearing and insist the AFL is compromised and does not have the jurisdiction to hear the charges against him.
Hird's refusal to agree to a ban of any longer than six months for admitting to a legally redefined and more marginal role in the Essendon supplements scandal was believed to be one of the impediments to sealing a plea bargain deal ahead of the commission hearing.
James Hird is shaping to continue his personal legal resistance to the charges levelled against him.
James Hird is shaping to continue his personal legal resistance to the charges levelled against him. Photo: Getty Images
Unless a deal with Hird is reached ahead of the 8.30am hearing, Hird's lawyers are expected to inform the commission it did not have the jurisdiction to hear the matter and that they would pursue their injunction, which forms part of the writ they have lodged in the Supreme Court.
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Further complicating the already complex legal picture it is understood Essendon's ability to agree to charges at the weekend was affected by the legal position of club doctor Bruce Reid whose licence to practise medicine and his professional indemnity insurance could be affected by any adverse finding against him.
Former Essendon full-forward Matthew Lloyd said on Channel Nine on Sunday he expected Reid to step down from the club this week.
Essendon is not intending to challenge the AFL's jurisdiction to hear the matter.
Presently, it is expected to agree to be eliminated from the finals this year though it will be free to play Richmond on Saturday in the last round of the home-and-away season.
The club will also be fined $2 million and lose its first and second-round draft picks in this year's national draft as well as its first-round draft pick - and possibly its second round - next year.
Reid and football manager Danny Corcoran are both facing six-month bans while assistant Mark Thompson would be fined more than $40,000 but not suspended.
Essendon chairman Paul Little admitted on Saturday night a deal with the AFL was very close. The deal as it stands now is substantially the same as that which was almost reached with the AFL last week when Essendon rejected the offer and the AFL responded by making public the full list of charges against the club.
Little said on Saturday he would not only wish for Hird to return to coaching Essendon after any potential suspension but that it would be the club's preference this occur.
Hird said in a lengthy post-match interview after Saturday night's come-from-behind victory that he wanted ''to prove that I'm innocent of 99 per cent of those charges''.
''You look at those charges and they make me sick that they're out there and people would believe that that is the truth about me. I'm determined to clear that up and we'll go from there about suspension or not suspension.
''The priority, not just for me but the club and myself, is to clear a lot of those charges up. And then, of course, I want to come back and coach if I do get suspended.''
Hird said he looked forward to a chance to explain his side.
All parties who have been charged are expected to attend the commission hearing.
Little and acting chief executive Ray Gunston are likely to attend as well as Hird, Reid, Corcoran and Thompson along with a phalanx of senior and Queen's counsel, junior counsel and solicitors.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hird-court-bid-still-in-play-20130825-2sk07.html#ixzz2czlVfRso
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Gee whiz what a surprise Mr Ego is the stumbling block in ending this mess
Who would have thought :banghead
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HUN reporting that Mr Ego along with his band of merry legal eagles will front the AFL commission at 2pm
From the HUN:
Essendon clings to hope of retaining draft picks, expected to lose premiership points
by: Jon Ralph, staff writers
From: Herald Sun August 26, 2013 1:07PM
ESSENDON coach James Hird is due to front the AFL Commission at 2pm.
Hird and his legal team, including human rights campaigner Julian Burnside SC, are expected to tell the commission that his Supreme Court action challenging the Commission’s right to hear charges against the Bombers star has not been withdrawn.
The Commission is expected to detail proposed penalties against Hird, most likely a 12-month suspension from any AFL activity, and precise details of the formal charges.
It would be open to Hird then to back away from his court action and to accept the sanction, as part of a wider Essendon penalties package, or to declare he will fight on in court.
Hird has claimed he has been denied natural justice by the AFL and said the AFL Commission, including CEO Andrew Demetriou, should be barred from considering charges against him.
Full article: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-clings-to-hope-of-retaining-draft-picks-expected-to-lose-premiership-points-on-monday/story-fndv8gad-1226703774103
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I hope Demetriou & the Commission ream these mongrels at Essendon
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SEN saying they are hearing ...
Corcoran - 3 month suspension
Thompson - a fine
Reid - a fine ..... although if there's a compromise he'll stand down.
Nothing yet about Hird or Essendon as a whole.
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SEN saying they are hearing ...
Corcoran - 3 month suspension
Thompson - a fine
Reid - a fine ..... although if there's a compromise he'll stand down.
Nothing yet about Hird or Essendon as a whole.
Seems very light on for Corcoran - seeing he is the main follower of Mr Ego
Fine form Bomber sounds about right, he's biggest mistake was not following things through when he said program must stop and he didn't bother to check if it had in fact stopped :P
Ditto with Reid, if he had quit when he said he wans't happy he'd be a hero by now
As for Mr Ego - ban him forever
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Past 5 o'clock. Will they actually make a decision today? :huh.
Meeting into its fourth hour.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/with-bombers-stripped-of-points-here-are-10-things-essendon-fans-can-do-during-finals/story-fni5ezdm-1226704466358
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^ dud link
copy paste story
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Mark Stevens on Ch7 gain said the penalties will be the toughest in the history of the game :clapping
Again said for the Bombers:
- multi million $$ done
- loss of 2013 points
- lost of 1st & 2nd round draft picks for 2013 & 2014 :clapping :clapping
For the 4 amigos
- Hird suspension
- Corcoran suspension
- Thompson fine
- dr Reid - slap on the wrist possible fine
Whackety whack whack ;D
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^ dud link
copy paste story
A nothing article (•))(©™ , attempt at humour
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Actually it is funny how there doesn't seem to be any leaks coming out of HQ and the Windy Hill commune today ;D
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Over the weekend I listened to many people in the community and some commentators going to pains to to say that what Essendon did was not cheating..I must admit I have also found it difficult to define cheating.If what Essendon did was not cheating then it surely was gross incompetence.
can you be penalised(like the dons will) for being incompetent?
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Over the weekend I listened to many people in the community and some commentators going to pains to to say that what Essendon did was not cheating..I must admit I have also found it difficult to define cheating.If what Essendon did was not cheating then it surely was gross incompetence.
can you be penalised(like the dons will) for being incompetent?
Absolutely, your incompetence puts the health and safety of your employees (players) at risk you can and should be punished.
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injecting banned drugs from needles to players is not cheating FFS
when will you understand this?
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yes bents I hear you and understand
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injecting banned drugs from needles to players is not cheating FFS
when will you understand this?
Bents: We're just having a discussion about the different views that are out there, no one said they agreed just a general discussion
that's OK isn't it? ;D
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No cause I take offence at the implication anything other than a little poor Governance has gone on here.
And even that turd is only 1% guilty. Thompson 10%.
Please keep up WP/GIGS
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If you really about it
Its not really the efc fault. I blame the AFL and asada
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Bents I didn't use the term " a little poor governance" I said gross incompetence.
I must admit that I find it a little hard to swallow that they had poor to almost no record keeping on these issues.Yet I need to keep reminding myself that we are dealing with footballers here who maybe don't excel in things non football :lol
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No cause I take offence at the implication anything other than a little poor Governance has gone on here.
And even that turd is only 1% guilty. Thompson 10%.
Please keep up WP/GIGS
:rollin :rollin
If that's the case you're going to spend a lot of time offended being Bents ;D
I think you are confusing people just discussing a different point of view and equating it to being someone's actually view. very different I would have thought
Happens alot of in the world ;D
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Reid left without commenting
Thompson snuck out the back
Corcoran spoke to the media in French LMFAO
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Can i say ive really enjoyed Bents and WP throughout this saga.
This thread would've been half as enjoyable without their daily updates
Lets hope it ends with Cotchin being declared the brownlow winner of 2012
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"No outcome" lol
I hope they don't negotiate a punishment too inconvenient
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i have now lost all respect for Bomber too
again in denial
the reason no player has been sanctioned yet is because they destroyed the evidence and record keeping.
just another dillusional player in this game.
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Tombstone Thompson
"Negotiating all day" "fighting for whats fair"
"We have not been chargd"
"We have broken no rules"
"No players taken banned substances"
" I'm not a drug cheat"
"Hird didnt act deliberately, it was the perfect storm
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In one word. Malakies. :thumbsup
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On footy classified they replay hird post match interview.
The look on Caro face when turd said "the players have been cleared" was priceless
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your lucky you weren't watching Talking footy.
Hirdy's fantastic, hirdy sensational.
get lost. I actually felt like spewing up.
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Talks put off tomorrow.
Barrett reckons progress has been made with Thompson, Corcoran and Reid but none with Hird who still is claiming he's not guilty of 99% of the charges against him.
Based on what Little said as he walking out of the meeting tonight, Hutchy reckons Essendon and Hird may go their separate ways on this and that we may hear what penalties Essendon will cop tomorrow without a deal being done on Hird. Caro said Essendon needs to cut Hird loose.
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League, Bombers in stalemate
By Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
9:51pm AEST Monday, August 26, 2013
TALKS between the AFL, Essendon and the four individuals charged for bringing the game into disrepute will drag into a second day after no conclusions were reached on Monday.
They will start again at 11am on Tuesday at AFL House with the charged parties locked in a stalemate late on Monday night.
Read more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-26/league-dons-in-stalemate
ESSENDON senior assistant Mark Thompson says the Bombers and the AFL are whittling down the charges laid against the club, but the parties are yet to come to a resolution.
Read more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-26/dons-whittle-down-charges
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Hutchinson nailed it when he said the afl dont have to negotiate a thing.
Their say is final.
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Hutchinson nailed it when he said the afl dont have to negotiate a thing.
There say is final.
Just came on here to see if someone could answer this question for me...
Why are the AFL negotiating? Just give them a stuffing penalty and get this poo over with.
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Vlad is just torturing the pusher.
He hates him.
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Essendon legend Tim Watson has accused the AFL of "engineering" the timeline of the supplements scandal to ensure it ended in the week before the finals, and no sooner.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-planned-timeline-of-scandal-watson-20130827-2smoy.html
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Essendon assistant coach Mark Thompson says James Hird could ''struggle'' to return as coach if he was suspended for 12 months for his role in the club's contentious supplements program.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ban-could-spell-end-20130826-2sm8b.html
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Player agents were called to a secret meeting on Monday where they were reminded of the legal avenues they can explore for Essendon players dealing with the supplements saga.
While the legal ramifications surrounding the Bombers' 2011-12 injecting program were high on the agenda, the chief concern of agents remains the potential long-term health effects of their players.
With Essendon still unable to say exactly what was injected, agents representing the players were addressed by AFL Players Association chief executive Matt Finnis, who also extended an open invitation to all players and their families to contact the union regarding independent medical advice.
The meeting in Albert Park, with AFLPA player relations boss Ian Prendergast and lawyer Brett Murphy also in attendance, was held as the AFL Commission conducted its hearing into the Bombers and the four officials charged with bringing the game into disrepute. Finnis is also understood to have written a letter to the Essendon players on Monday, giving them and their families the option of meeting AFLPA officials at any stage to seek advice on their legal and medical avenues.
Fairfax Media understands several players and their agents are still considering legal action over the drugs program, citing health and safety concerns.
It also emerged on Monday that one senior player agent had referred to the AFLPA a list of pre-eminent medical staff who could provide guidance.
Player agents have been deluged with questions from parents since last week's 34-page charge sheet against Essendon was made public by the AFL. The sheet documented 15 different drugs or drug types.
One agent said the meeting was ''very serious'' and the gravity of the situation was evident. Several agents have taken a harder stance since the charge sheet was released.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/agents-in-drug-talks-20130826-2smci.html
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Hird is still clinging to faint hope
Caroline Wilson
The Age
August 27, 2013
Late on Monday, Hird was still fighting for his standing and, more pertinently, his job. He had given some small piece of ground but refused to see how derelict his football department had been in its duty. Before heading into the AFL, he was still clinging to the belief he could coach Essendon next season.
Elsewhere in Melbourne, those AFL player managers with Bombers on their books were finally meeting as a group and discussing long-term medical and legal strategies for their players with their union. AFL Players Association chief Matt Finnis on Monday wrote to all footballers who had been part of the pharmacological experiment offering independent help.
Co-major Essendon sponsor True Value Solar, whose seven-figure Essendon contract expires in October, was considering its options while smaller commercial backers did the same. The wording of the final charges accepted by Essendon was also being micro-managed. Kia's multimillion-dollar deal with the club, which runs until 2016, is understood to include caveats regarding banned drugs.
In the first significant shift since this saga was revealed in February, Hird said after the Carlton win he might be suspended from coaching. In a dramatic night for the club that will count for nought in terms of the season, but meant so much to the coach and his chairman, Paul Little, he then fronted the media for what began as an interview but finished up a fireside chat.
Journalists, perhaps mindful of interviewing Hird the coach for the last time and acutely aware of his teenage daughter seated among them, allowed Hird to state categorically that his players had been cleared by ASADA.
Hird was not challenged when he spoke of the leaks that had punctuated this story, nor when he calculated he was guilty of 1 per cent of all he had been accused of. He said he and his club were as one.
This last statement should have been challenged at least. Hird has been one, if not the only major impediment to the AFL's resolution with Essendon, a resolution observers increasingly feared could be softened in the interests of expediency with the finals and the 2013 Brownlow Medal count and all manner of other football award ceremonies around the corner.
Hird said he would happily take a hit if it meant his players could be exonerated and if his club could escape sanctions. No one can guarantee the former and the latter was never going to happen.
The rest of the competition demands Essendon is punished as no club has ever been punished and the AFL has to make a statement regarding the duty of care to footballers. Anything less than two years devoid of early draft picks would prove an insult.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hird-is-still-clinging-to-faint-hope-20130826-2smcr.html
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Bomber Thompson said that he & Essendon are not drug cheats
Then what are they exactly?
Did they set out to cheat? Personally I'd say No, I don't think they did.
But based on the allegations in that charge sheet thats what they've become with their win at all costs attiitude. Facts as they stand right now and take AOD6904 out of the equation Essendon cannot prove that they didn't give their players banned substances. They cannot prove it and that is the facts as it stands right now
Richard Ings said on twitter last night that one thing that could be hindering a resolution is that the AFL have to ensure that the wording of any settlement doesn't preclude ASADA taking further action down the track regarding the players (very smart man is Richard Ings)
Having said that I am getting to the stage that i don't give a stuff anymore. The AFL can appease the EFC and re-word things any way they want and from my perspective it wont make one iota of difference. Court of public opinion has already decided their guilt and there is absolutley nothing the EFC can do about that
Finally believe their new club slogan is "Arrogance breds Contempt"
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Finally believe their new club slogan is "Arrogance breads Contempt"
I thought their club slogan was "Whatever We Take" :lol
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Finally believe their new club slogan is "Arrogance breads Contempt"
I thought their club slogan was "Whatever We Take" :lol
:lol
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Finally believe their new club slogan is "Arrogance breds Contempt"
I thought their club slogan was "Whatever We Take" :lol
I said their new slogan not their current one
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That's not their current one
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AFL have set a deadline for Bombers to accept charges or face the double fist commission
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Jimmy Janglenuts is on the beta blockers
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AFL website is saying there's no guarantees of a resolution today either ::).
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To be fair, cyclops
we have to keep in mind any punishment is not too inconveniencing. Hence the delay.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-imposes-deadline-on-essendon-negotiations-20130827-2sn0w.html
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as per Bent's link - The Age (Caro) are saying they have a deadline, failures to agree to their punishment and they face the commission where they penalties would be harsher
Finally HQ doing their bloody job
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AFL imposes deadline on Essendon negotiations
DateAugust 27, 2013 - 10:50AM
Caroline Wilson :bow
Chief Football Writer for The Age
The AFL will today impose a deadline upon Essendon which would force the club to accept the deal before it or front the commission to contest the charges and risk a harsher punishment.
Should the Bombers fail to agree to a resolution at AFL headquarters on Day Two of the protracted talks, the proposed sanctions — which seemed close to being settled late on Monday — would be taken off the table with the club facing more severe penalties.
Fairfax Media understands that an agreement between the AFL and Essendon chiefs appeared imminent before nightfall on Monday before senior coach James Hird refused to accept the wording of the charges against him.
With the Bombers now certain to miss the 2013 finals series, the club will also be banned from participating from rounds one and two of the 2013 national draft. The AFL will also ban the club from round one of the 2014 draft but appeared prepared to give ground on round two of next year’s draft.
The club will also be fined up to $2 million with Hird’s one-year ban a non-negotiable for the AFL
It also emerged that Essendon might not be stripped of its points for 2013 but simply banned from the finals in a reworded penalty that could see Bombers players still eligible for the Brownlow Medal, All-Australian, Rising Star and other prestigious upcoming award ceremonies. In the deal on the table, the AFL appears to have abandoned a push to strip Essendon of points from 2012.
The Bombers’ VFL team also faces being thrown out of the finals. The VFL has not yet settled its finals fixture on Sunday. The second tier competition is understood to be pushing the AFL for a resolution today in order to potentially reset this weekend’s VFL finals.
That move could see Carlton’s aligned VFL team the Northern Blues scrape into the VFL finals on percentage ahead of North Ballarat. Carlton’s senior team could also take Essendon’s place in the finals.
While Essendon chairman Paul Little last night indicated the club was prepared to legally distance itself from Hird and the other individuals charged, the Bombers new chief had on Monday refused to accept a deal without Hird’s agreement.
Hird had not ruled out making good his threat to take the AFL to the Supreme Court as he headed back to the negotiating table on Tuesday. While Essendon had fully accepted its coach would be banned for 12 months, Hird would not accept he was broadly culpable for failing in his duty of care towards his players from late 2011 through the 2012 season.
With the majority of the AFL clubs privately willing the competition’s governing body to demonstrate leadership, cease negotiations and take a strong stand against the Bombers’ drug practices — a push strongly reflected on talkback radio early on Tuesday — patience appeared to be wearing thin at head office over the Bombers’ tactics.
The AFL’s chief negotiators Gillon McLachlan and the league’s senior counsel Jeff Gleeson, were reportedly determined to complete a settlement by Tuesday afternoon or immediately schedule a contested hearing before the commission
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-imposes-deadline-on-essendon-negotiations-20130827-2sn0w.html#ixzz2d8AQEcq9
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Passing the buck at Essendon
By Wayne Goldsmith
Posted 1 hour 40 minutes ago
Who advised James Hird to take the course of denial he has taken?
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In a misguided attempt to protect his brand, James Hird insists on denying his responsibility as senior coach for the doping scandal besetting his club, so bringing the whole game into disrepute, writes Wayne Goldsmith.
Every club has a code of conduct (flexible).
They all have rules of behaviour (bendable).
And they all have mission statements, vision statements, team values, team trademarks and team policies (all negotiable).
But there is one rule - one overriding law that every person in every AFL team knows and understands and cannot deny - that is unbreakable.
No-one can do anything in an AFL football department that directly affects or involves the players without the full knowledge and approval of the senior coach.
The senior coach in an AFL club has absolute power and total responsibility for all aspects of training and playing, and that includes the team's sports science and sports medicine program (e.g. player nutrition and supplement use).
Anyone who has any connection with AFL - or for that matter, professional football - knows that the rule applies to everyone, every situation, every aspect of preparation and performance - and all the time.
The fact that it has taken months for ASADA, the AFL and more legal minds than you'd find chasing a fleet of ambulances to come up with these decisions, sanctions and penalties is laughable.
It is clear this Essendon exercise has nothing to do with "clean sport" or risk management or player welfare. It is all about brand protection. It's been drawn out because the stakes for so many - the players, the senior coach, the club and the game - are so high.
Every sporting club and every professional athlete is justifiably protective of their "trademark" - their "brand" - the image that they "sell" to generate revenue.
The trademark and the protection of the trademark is everything in the corporate world, and it is the same in sport.
If you think about Sally Pearson, words like "professional, performance under pressure, superior athletic ability, composed" may come to mind. That's Sally's trademark.
Now think about Lance Armstrong. What words and images come to mind - "cancer survivor, athlete and champion" or "cheat, liar and deceiver"?
Professional sport is all about money and selling "trademarks", and no one - not sponsors, not fans, not the television networks, not advertisers - will throw money at a club or an athlete whose "trademark" is associated with alcohol abuse, violence, racial discrimination, bullying, sexual vilification, illegal gambling or, in this case, drug use.
That's why James Hird, the Essendon Club and its officials have fought so hard for so long to diminish their responsibility for what happened.
The Three Laws of Diminished Responsibility in Sport
There are three laws in sport – the Three Laws of Diminished Responsibility - which are as consistent and reliable as anything Newton ever wrote about gravity, movement or motion:
Under no circumstances accept full responsibility for anything you say or do
If the weight of evidence against you is so strong that it is impossible to continue to deny full responsibility for your words and actions, refer to Law of Diminished Responsibility Number 1
Do not do anything to contradict the first two laws
What kind of message does it send - to kids, to fans, to sponsors, to the public - that it is OK to deny any responsibility for your actions until you are faced with an avalanche of irrefutable and undeniable evidence?
After months of denial, maybe we will finally see some humility and admission of partial responsibility from those concerned, but only - only - when they had no other choice but to fall on their swords - or more accurately in this case, their hypodermics.
As for Hird himself, the question is - who advised him to take the course of denial he has taken?
Imagine for a moment that back in February he came out and declared: "I pushed the limits and boundaries in an effort to help my players become successful. I took some risks - I made some mistakes and for that I am very sorry. I take full responsibility for what's happened and I willingly accept any penalties or sanctions."
He would have got out of this with his reputation largely intact and may even have been admired for having the courage and the character to accept the full responsibilities of leadership. The club and the players could have moved on and enjoyed a successful 2013 season with little or no penalty. The game of AFL would have recovered quickly and the incident buried in a stack of good news stories and exciting on field contests. In this version of the story, everyone wins.
Instead, by persisting with the diminished responsibility defence, the reputation of the club, the coaches, management, staff, players and the game is tarnished - perhaps permanently.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-27/goldsmith-passing-the-buck-at-essendon/4914592
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so, anyway....what's happening?
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so, anyway....what's happening?
Not much
Having lunch the AFL web-site reporting ;D
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Geez.I wonder what they're having for lunch
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The best lawyers in Australia are still trying figure out how to find a political correct way to say "drug cheats"
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The best lawyers in Australia are still trying figure out how to find a political correct way to say "drug cheats"
:lol :lol :lol so true.
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Bracket's call on all this.
I know for a fact Demetriou wants blood.
Having said that, my judgement of him in the past is that of cunning, sly bullshitter.
IMO, he's taxing the club via legal fees as much as he can before screwing them as much as he can with penalties.
As i see it, the initial option put to the bumfucks was, accept the first draft of penalties or expect more in addition. :thumbsup
Let's hope I'm right.
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The best lawyers in Australia are still trying figure out how to find a political correct way to say "drug cheats"
Bingo :thumbsup
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Should the Bombers fail to agree to a resolution at AFL headquarters on day two of the protracted talks, the proposed sanctions — which seemed close to being settled late on Monday — would be taken off the table with the club facing more severe penalties.......and all because of , gues who ? - JAMES!!!!!LOL
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Should the Bombers fail to agree to a resolution at AFL headquarters on day two of the protracted talks, the proposed sanctions — which seemed close to being settled late on Monday — would be taken off the table with the club facing more severe penalties.......and all because of , gues who ? - JAMES!!!!!LOL
Who else would it be but Mr Ego
It's all about James and his need for natural justice you know
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I'm sure Vlad and co are milking it, full knowing that the longer it goes, the more damage is done to Hird's reputation, the higher the legal costings and that the afl has final say. No way Essendone wins here.It's a case of divide and conquer
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I'm sure Vlad and co are milking it, full knowing that the longer it goes, the more damage is done to Hird's reputation, the higher the legal costings and that the afl has final say. No way Essendone wins here.It's a case of divide and conquer
Yet for every hour it drags on the reputation of the sport goes further down the poo hole. At the end of then day Vlad wants to save efc regardless of the drug cheating. Efc are so stupid. I pray it goes to court. A judge will send them back to the stone age.
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at the end of the day, Vlad want's Hird's head.
Fact.
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Yet for every hour it drags on the reputation of the sport goes further down the poo hole. At the end of then day Vlad wants to save efc regardless of the drug cheating. Efc are so stupid. I pray it goes to court. A judge will send them back to the stone age.
Why would Andy D want to save the EFC Bents?
Not trying to be a smart you know what skis just interested to know how you have come to that conclusion
Because for me that is so far fromt he truth it isn't funny, you don't take on City Hall like the EFC are and think somehow you are going to be saved
Totally agree with you about the reputation taking a battering the longer this drags on
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SEN keep saying an announcement by the AFL is "very soon".
Essendon is willing to accept them not playing in this year's finals. They still have issues with the wording of the charges and loss of draft picks over two years.
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Any station that has David Schwartz commentating games has no idea
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According to SEN, the media scrum outside AFL House has grown in the last 30 minutes so it looks a decision a "imminent".
They believe the announcement tonight will definitely include that Essendon is out of the finals. It's the rest they don't know about and discussions on that front may go on into the night once again.
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Mark Robinson @Robbo_heraldsun twitter:
"Essendon out of finals ... Update @superfooty very soon"
SEN saying 100% Essendon out of finals.
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SEN saying word is Essendon will be out of the first 3 rounds of the 2013 draft and first round of the 2014 draft.
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Essendon will not play finals this year as AFL talks continue
Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
August 27, 2013 5:11PM
ESSENDON is officially out of finals after a deal was reached after two days of talks with the AFL.
It's understood Essendon officials, James Hird, Mark Thompson and Dr Bruce Reid, have not had their situations resolved.
It's believed head of football Danny Corcoran will be suspended for four months.
Thompson departed AFL House about 5pm and indicated strongly the club had agreed to stand down from playing finals.
Other penalties for Essendon linked to the 21012 supplements are expected to be announced tonight.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-will-not-play-finals-this-year-as-afl-talks-continue/story-fndv7pj3-1226704614233#mm-breached
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Jen Phelan (Witham) @AFL_JenPhelan twitter:
"Looks like a press conference is coming up at AFL House. Bombers media crew have arrived with their presser backdrop."
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ESSENDON is officially out of finals after a deal was reached after two days of talks with the AFL.
Thompson indicated strongly the club had agreed to stand down from playing finals.
So did he indicate or is it official? ::)
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How can you do "deals" on this type of situation?
Unbelievable
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Robbo has update his article:
It’s understood the Bombers have come to an agreement with the AFL which will include the loss of draft picks across two years.
An insider described the AFL as "not backing down’’
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-will-not-play-finals-this-year-as-afl-talks-continue/story-fndv7pj3-1226704614233#mm-breached
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ESSENDON
REAMED!
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ABC Radio Melbourne @774melbourne twitter:
"Gerard says this is a historic day, first time a club has been stripped of points. $2-3 million fine, lost draft picks also part of the deal"
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ESSENDON assistant coach Mark Thompson doesn't believe Essendon will be playing in this year's finals series.
But in the first sign the supplement saga stalemate been the AFL and Essendon could soon be resolved, Thompson said the club was likely to reach an agreement with the AFL by the end of its second day of arduous negotiations over disrepute charges at AFL House.
Thompson, who is one of four Essendon officials charged over the 2012 supplements saga along with the club, said he had no news to report on his negotiations with the League as he left AFL House on Tuesday afternoon.
Asked if he thought the Bombers would be playing finals, Thompson said: "No, I don't."
Asked if he thought the case against Essendon would be resolved on Tuesday evening, Thompson said: "I think it probably will."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-27/dons-wont-play-finals-bomber
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a special mention to Bomber and Goddard.
well done for leaving your respective posts to join an organization that is finished for a very long time, and will forever be known as cheats.
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Jon Ralph @RalphyHeraldSun twitter:
"Historic AFL first with Essendon booted from the finals. Presser tonight. Hird et al could still fight on. It was expected but still amazing"
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Not official yet
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news:
Essendon buckled under AFL pressure.
Probably first and second rounds picks 2013-14 to go as well.
Corcoran to cop a small suspension.
Believe Hird, Thompson and Reid will fight on.
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@ James Hird- Go crawl back under your rock and die
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AFL Online @aflonline twitter:
"Caroline Wilson claims Essendon lose 2013 Finals, opening 2 rounds of the 2013 national draft, opening round of 2014 draft & $2m fine"
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The Age Sport @theagesport twitter:
"#Essendon decision. Bombers banned from 2013 finals, first two rounds of draft and cop $2m fine. Hird still dealing"
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5:52pm: From Caroline Wilson:
Essendon has been banned from the 2013 finals series and the opening two rounds of the national draft and slapped with a $2 million fine for the derelict failures of its football program over the 2012 season.
The club will also miss the opening round of the 2014 draft but its role in next year's second round of draft picks remained unclear as the club completed a plea bargain with the AFL late this afternoon and avoided a contested hearing of the league commission.
Coach James Hird, who has impeded a settlement between the AFL and Essendon for the past five days, was still fighting to reduce his one year ban from the game and could still be headed for court.
Hird's legal representative Julian Burnside QC appeared close to a deal with the AFL late on Tuesday although the coach's position had not yet been resolved as Essendon chairman Paul Little agreed to the sanctions being presented as the AFL's final offer.
Danny Corcoran has accepted a four month suspension from the game with club doctor Bruce Reid and senior assistant Mark Thompson still resisting the charges levelled against them.
Essendon's VFL team is also expected to be banned from the finals.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-crisis-decision-live-updates-20130827-2smup.html#ixzz2d9ef22vt
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Dunc McKenzie McHarg @duncanmcmc twitter:
"Essendon will accept these sanctions: AFL and VFL teams out of the Finals, $2 million fine, Loss of 1st and 2nd Round Draft Picks"
"The AFL is trying to organise a press conference for 7pm tonight but it could be later if individual sanctions can be wrapped up tonight."
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Coach James Hird, who has impeded a settlement between the AFL and Essendon for the past five days, was still fighting to reduce his one year ban from the game and could still be headed for court.
Idiot.
His club have accepted partial wrong doing but oh no, not him.
Good luck with that, u dog.
I'll enjoy watching your legal bill mount.
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Essendon banned from finals, cops $2m fine
Caroline Wilson
The Age
August 27, 2013 - 5:52PM
Essendon has been banned from the 2013 finals series and the opening two rounds of the national draft and slapped with a $2 million fine for the derelict failures of its football program over the 2012 season.
The club will also miss the opening round of the 2014 draft but its role in next year's second round of draft picks remained unclear as the club completed a plea bargain with the AFL late this afternoon and avoided a contested hearing of the league commission.
Coach James Hird, who has impeded a settlement between the AFL and Essendon for the past five days, was still fighting to reduce his one year ban from the game and could still be headed for court.
Hird's legal representative Julian Burnside QC appeared close to a deal with the AFL late on Tuesday although the coach's position had not yet been resolved as Essendon chairman Paul Little agreed to the sanctions being presented as the AFL's final offer.
Danny Corcoran has accepted a four month suspension from the game with club doctor Bruce Reid and senior assistant Mark Thompson still resisting the charges levelled against them.
Essendon's VFL team is also expected to be banned from the finals.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-banned-from-finals-cops-2m-fine-20130827-2so59.html#ixzz2d9h8SU4A
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Footy's darkest day looms as Essendon awaits AFL sanctions over supplements saga
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
August 27, 2013 6:11PM
THE blackest day in Australian sport has morphed into footy's darkest day.
Just because we have predicted this moment for so long does not make it any less historic.
A club unceremoniously turfed from the finals despite 14 wins for the season and a star-studded list.
Their arch rivals Carlton poised for their own tilt at history if they beat Port Adelaide in the last game at AAMI Stadium, becoming the first team to play finals from ninth.
All of it is bizarre and sad and yet still quite extraordinary.
The AFL will tonight announce the exact wording of Essendon's banishment from the finals, but there is no doubt it is a banishment.
It will also come as a massive relief to City Hall to be able to make this decision tonight.
Eyebrows were already raised at their willingness to negotiate with Essendon given the 34-page charge sheet.
Why didn't they just smash them with the baseball bat that has been used with regular monotony in the past year at AFL House?
Imagine if they had spent two full days negotiating with Essendon's flotilla of lawyers yet still couldn't get the deal done?
Now will come questions about what happens to James Hird and co, and the answers will soon done.
So will the penalties -- how many draft picks, how big is the fine -- with the AFL set to announce those at a 7pm press conference tonight.
It is expected Essendon will concede $2 million fine and have their two first-round picks stripped this year, with potentially more lost in 2014.
But the crucial element for the AFL - pushing Essendon out of the finals before they actually arrived - at least has been executed by the league.
Imagine the farce if Essendon had been able to storm to the most unlikely of premierships, only to have it stripped from them by the AFL in October.
It was an unacceptable scenario from the AFL's point of view.
Imagine James Hird standing atop the premiership dais shouting, "Andrew Demetriou, you were wrong''.
It couldn't happen.
We haven't yet got the elegant solution suggested in recent weeks, where Hird would accept hierarchical responsibility but not concede he was a drug cheat.
But we at least have a resolution to the key penalty proposed months ago.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/footys-darkest-day-looms-as-essendon-awaits-afl-sanctions-over-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1226705221616
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Mark Stevens update on Ch 7:
Essendon out of finals
$2m fine
1st and 2nd round draft picks 2013; 2014 still unknown.
Corcoran has received a 4-month suspension
Hird, Thompson, Reid still fighting on.
Official announcement believed to be within the next hour.
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Caro believes Essendon has done very well out this.
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I'm anticipating once the WADA verdict comes through on the "T" word, players will be found to possibly be benefiting from the usage of the drug in and in turn, more points gone in 2014- :rollin
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Mark Stevens update on Ch 7:
Essendon out of finals
$2m fine
1st and 2nd round draft picks 2013; 2014 still unknown.
Corcoran has received a 4-month suspension
Hird, Thompson, Reid still fighting on.
Official announcement believed to be within the next hour.
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Caro believes Essendon has done very well out this.
:clapping
StandByWADA
now that this crap is getting towards the end, bring on the bans
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If WADA comes in with infraction notices and bans for players then Essendon is completely finished. Lawyers, Lawyers and more Lawyers will be all over the place suing the living daylights out of the Essendon Football Club. Nightmare scenario for Essendon. :clapping
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if the read the 34 pages i dont see how they can turn a blind eye to that
ForzaWADA :clapping
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Yeh.
Watch the lawyers jump boat and represent the players.
Rats for rats
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Special edition of footy Classified tonight a 9.30pm
Hope Caro can contain her gloating ;D
Wonder if Lloyd will shed tears on national TV :rollin
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But Sam Newman was adamant nothing would happen?
I still remember the old Bomber bloke at work that just kept saying "storm in a tea cup" when this first started. Sucked in :clapping
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I'm anticipating once the WADA verdict comes through on the "T" word, players will be found to possibly be benefiting from the usage of the drug in and in turn, more points gone in 2014- :rollin
Let the cards fall.... :)
Special edition of footy Classified tonight a 9.30pm
Hope Caro can contain her gloating ;D
Wonder if Lloyd will shed tears on national TV :rollin
Champagne television if one of the two comes through ;D
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The Domino Bombers
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Watson still talking Skata so people forget his son is a drug cheat and Cotchin does not get his medal
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-planned-timeline-of-scandal-watson-20130827-2smoy.html
But Sam Newman was adamant nothing would happen?
I still remember the old Bomber bloke at work that just kept saying "storm in a tea cup" when this first started. Sucked in :clapping
Andrew Bolt too.
Last time a team had zero points: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:AFL_Ladder/1964
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I still remember the old Bomber bloke at work that just kept saying "storm in a tea cup" when this first started. Sucked in :clapping
Let him know. Let him know.
Salt to the wounds, salt the earth
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But Sam Newman was adamant nothing would happen?
I still remember the old Bomber bloke at work that just kept saying "storm in a tea cup" when this first started. Sucked in :clapping
Is there a bigger try hard, more irrelevant imbecile in television?
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But Sam Newman was adamant nothing would happen?
I still remember the old Bomber bloke at work that just kept saying "storm in a tea cup" when this first started. Sucked in :clapping
For the first time in a long time The Footy Show is must see viewing. :whistle
And EAD Essendon you cheating stuffwits. Bahahahahahahaha oh we're innocent. :lol :lol :lol :lol
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"we just cant wait til the truth comes out" :lol
SMBs losers
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O Dimitrios Hird = Malakandreas
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56 premiership points hanging on the wall and if a couple of thousand injections should deliberately fall there'll be 0 premiership hanging on the wall.
The only thing hanging on the wall will be your aggots Jimmy.
See ya later malakes. ;D
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AFL and Essendon lawyers seen shaking hands.
Press conference at 8.15pm tonight.
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If Hird, Bomber and Reid have not taken their punishment, it shows that it is not just Dank and Robinson who are the 'rogues' at this club.
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Breaking news on 3aw:
Hird has backed down and will accept a 12-month suspension.
Thompson has also reached an agreement on his punishment. Not sure what it is yet.
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Not listening to the radio (Masterchef finals week :lol ;D) but according to this guy he heard on 3AW that KIA have removed themselves?
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/not-yet-official-but-apparently-likely-bombers-out-of-finals.1028231/page-18#post-29848806
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This is a beautiful day in Football :lol
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:birthday
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If I had a bomberblitz account I would go on and put a You Tube linke featuring Gloria Gaynor singing "I will Survive" just to see them feel sorry for themselves pmsl. :lol
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The Rat does. ;D
What would u like to know??
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Both the AFL and EFC will give press conferences.
Essendon will keep their points but they just won't be allowed to play finals.
And now the bad news ...
Whispers around that last minute negotiations has seen Essendon keep hold of their first round pick in the 2014 draft :banghead.
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I will be bringing a spoon on Saturday night and wave it to every bomber around me and all those who leave early.
This is going to be one sweet night lads.
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Click first link for full image :lol :rollin :shh
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"They set us up"
stuffing morons
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another fuckwot says
"Posted Today, 10:15 AM
I knowvwe are feeling pretty powerless but we can keep trying to get some wins. When the new Govt settles in and if James Hird is not in court, I will continue writing to the Attorney General and every other official I can think of, citing this case as breach of privacy and indicating how it puts the privacy of all Australians at risk. I intend to become a nuisance. This crime cannot be allowed to disappear. "
:ROTFL
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WhT a load of skata
They get a priority draft pick and 9th position
No integrity
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Explain bents? What draft pick is that?
In both drafts?
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They got chucked out of r1 & r2 national draft 2013
for r3 onwards of the draft they are considered to have finished 9th
They also got chucked out of r1 &r2 national draft 2014 but have been given a pick at the end of the first round in 2014 (so its a poo pick)
$2,000,000 fine
No Finals
Thats how I understood it.
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AFL taking charge in the wipe off 5 campaign :cheers
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Correct ramps.
The Bombers have negotiated a PP at the end of Rnd 1 2014 draft.
Essendon about to appear at the press conference, fox better show it!
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Fitzpatrick hamfisting Essendon, payback for Evans slapping Carlton :lol
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If I had a bomberblitz account I would go on and put a You Tube linke featuring Gloria Gaynor singing "I will Survive" just to see them feel sorry for themselves pmsl. :lol
ive got one. Still waiting for posting access. :banghead
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Correct ramps.
The Bombers have negotiated a PP at the end of Rnd 1 2014 draft.
Essendon about to appear at the press conference, fox better show it!
That's rubbish.
So they are out of 2014 draft but get pick 19.
That's absolute crap.
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Correct ramps.
The Bombers have negotiated a PP at the end of Rnd 1 2014 draft.
Essendon about to appear at the press conference, fox better show it!
That's rubbish.
So they are out of 2014 draft but get pick 19.
That's absolute crap.
They have been reamed Daniel. Sure it could have been worse but they have been reamed.
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I'm looking forward to part 2 now.
That is watching the club slowly disintegrate over the next 5-10 years.
The club is pushing the line that Jimmy took one for the club. Not all Essendon people are going to buy that though, especially if Essendon are 0-8 next year!
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Paul Little addresses the media:-
"we have learnt our lesson"....
Ummm, two days ago you said you didnt deserbe any sanctions. A few hours ago you were fighting the punishment. So at what time did this genuine and coincidental group epiphany of humble remorse kick in today? :lol
Amatuer hour meets scripted bs
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Little now doing his press conference:
* Outcome is fair.
* Accepts the Club made mistakes.
* Claims the finalised charges are very different to the charge sheet released last Wednesday.
* The final charges only relate to failings of governance and people management; not mention of drug cheating or that anyone at club deliberately set out to use WADA banned substances.
* Hird will be coach in 2015. Will in fact be back for the 2014 finals if they make it.
* Hird negotiated on his own. He was remorseful and took responsibility for his role in what went wrong.
* Reid will still fight to clear his name.
* Simon Goodwin will coach against us and they will now set up a process to find a senior coach for 2014.
* No implications for their VFL side.
* No player has failed drug tests. There have been no infraction notices given to the players and nor does Little believe there will be anything.
LOL at Robbo asking "why did Essendon roll over?" .... ummm because they were guilty as hell Robbo you nitwit!
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Correct ramps.
The Bombers have negotiated a PP at the end of Rnd 1 2014 draft.
Essendon about to appear at the press conference, fox better show it!
That's rubbish.
So they are out of 2014 draft but get pick 19.
That's absolute crap.
They have been reamed Daniel. Sure it could have been worse but they have been reamed.
Exactly Ramps
And the truth will set you free
And BTW Andy D made it very clear ASADA are still investigating and charges could result once the investigation is complete. Don't get too comfy EFC players :laugh:
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Little now doing his press conference:
* The final charges only relate to failings of governance and process; not mention of drug cheating or that anyone at club deliberately set out to use WADA banned substances.
Incorrect Little. Their was mention of use of potential banned substances by Fitzpatrick
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Simple question for Hird -
Why did it take six months for you to finally admit you were in the wrong all along after initially saying you took full responsibility but then spent the next six months fighting the AFL and ASADA and putting yourself above the game and allowing the game to needlessly suffer damage to its reputation and standing?
As for Little - your club is a even bigger joke. That after all this and the penalties you've copped tonight, you still want the man mainly responsible to come back after his 12-month suspension and coach your club again :facepalm.
The loss of draft picks will hurt the Bombers more than anything else. Probably not so much in the next 24 months, as 1-2 year players don't make up a significant chunk of the side, but in 5 years when their core group won't have the quality coming through in that middle age bracket.
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Correct ramps.
The Bombers have negotiated a PP at the end of Rnd 1 2014 draft.
Essendon about to appear at the press conference, fox better show it!
That's rubbish.
So they are out of 2014 draft but get pick 19.
That's absolute crap.
They have been reamed Daniel. Sure it could have been worse but they have been reamed.
Coach can coach next year finals
Priority draft picks
Disgustingly soft.
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If I had a bomberblitz account I would go on and put a You Tube linke featuring Gloria Gaynor singing "I will Survive" just to see them feel sorry for themselves pmsl. :lol
I forgot my username and password >:(
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I hope all the other clubs decide not to trade with the bombers. Let the bludgers stay with what they have. They have to cut 3 players anyway so they will pick up 3 duds via the draft this year and next year if they dont pick a good player with there comp selection they will be picking another 3 duds. 6 duds over 2 years and there players will be older as well. So no one should trade with them and let them go under slowly.
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As for Little - your club is a even bigger joke. That after all this and the penalties you've copped tonight, you still want the man mainly responsible to come back after his 12-month suspension and coach your club again :facepalm.
And to think Knights got sacked by Essendon for a mere elimination final loss!
They have to cut 3 players anyway
That's 3 potential court cases against the bombers :lol
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If I had a bomberblitz account I would go on and put a You Tube linke featuring Gloria Gaynor singing "I will Survive" just to see them feel sorry for themselves pmsl. :lol
I forgot my username and password >:(
I tried too but bc I hadn't logged on in a while could not get in either. >:(
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I hope all the other clubs decide not to trade with the bombers. Let the bludgers stay with what they have. They have to cut 3 players anyway so they will pick up 3 duds via the draft this year and next year if they dont pick a good player with there comp selection they will be picking another 3 duds. 6 duds over 2 years and there players will be older as well. So no one should trade with them and let them go under slowly.
It will be no different to any other year trading with Essendon. Dud players in exchange for first or second round picks. ::)
Honestly I can't see Us, Hawthorn, Carlton or Collingwood trading with them.
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Correct ramps.
The Bombers have negotiated a PP at the end of Rnd 1 2014 draft.
Essendon about to appear at the press conference, fox better show it!
That's rubbish.
So they are out of 2014 draft but get pick 19.
That's absolute crap.
They have been reamed Daniel. Sure it could have been worse but they have been reamed.
Coach can coach next year finals
Priority draft picks
Disgustingly soft.
Priority Picks?
1 pick at the end of the first round in 2014 about pick 19 or 20 then nothing until round 3
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Fitzpatrick hamfisting Essendon, payback for Evans slapping Carlton :lol
Was not lost on me when Fitzpatrick was reading out the rap sheet. ;D
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Charge sheet up on AFL site
Still plenty in there about anti doping code and WADA
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Can see the Bombers trying to trade with GWS to get pick number 1 ;D
Can't see anyone doing it unless Bombers offer a Hurley, Zaharakis etc :rollin
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Bomber Thompson just admitted that Hird was warned off peptides by the AFL but went down that track anyway. Early signs that this will fracture the club imv.
Next fallout will be between the Watsons and Hird and there will be no way that Hird could coach again if that happened.
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Thompson trying to have nothing of Caro :lol
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List of sanctions against Essendon and its officials
afl.com.au
9:26pm AEST Tuesday, August 27, 2013
BELOW is the list of sanctions and details around the charges against the Essendon football club, coach James Hird, assistant coach Mark Thompson and football manager Danny Corcoran.
Club doctor Bruce Reid has chosen to contest his charges.
Essendon Football Club
Essendon FC breach of AFL Player Rule 1.6
The AFL Commission and the Essendon FC acknowledge that the conduct in its totality relied upon by the AFL and EFC to constitute a breach of Rule 1.6 is as follows, namely, that Essendon FC:
- established a program relating to the administration of supplements to its players in preparation for, and during, the 2012 AFL premiership season (the Program);
- engaged in practices that exposed players to potential risks to their health and safety as well as the potential risk of using substances that were prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code;
- disregarded standard practices involving the human resources department when employing Dean Robinson and Stephen Dank at EFC;
- failed to conduct routine, systematic pre-employment checks in respect of Dean Robinson and Stephen Dank;
- failed to ensure that persons with the necessary integrity, reputation and training were engaged by EFC to implement the Program;
- failed to ensure that those implementing the Program were adequately supervised;
- failed to devise or implement adequate systems or processes to ensure that some substances provided to and used by players were safe and were compliant with the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code;
failed to have proper regard to player health and safety, including failing to ensure that some substances had no potentially negative effects on players;
- failed to identify and record the source from which some substances used by players were obtained;
- failed to adequately monitor and record the use of some substances;
- failed to audit or monitor some substances held on the premises of EFC;
- failed to implement a system for recording and storing some substances held on the premises of EFC;
- failed to meaningfully inform players of some substances the subject of the Program and obtain their informed consent to the administration of some of the substances;
- failed to take appropriate and adequate action when it became aware of facts that suggested that unsatisfactory and potentially risky practices were occurring in relation to the administration of supplements; and
- permitted a culture at EFC of frequent, uninformed and unregulated use of the injection of supplements.
The AFL Commission further determines, and the Essendon FC further acknowledges, that by reason of the above matters:
- EFC failed to ensure it adequately protected the health, welfare and safety of the players;
there was a risk that Essendon players could have been administered substances prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code and any such risk is an unacceptable risk; and
- EFC is unable now to determine whether players were administered some substances prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code,
As a result, it has been determined the Essendon FC breached Rule 1.6 of the AFL Player Rules (March 2011).
Essendon FC sanction
Essendon FC:
will pay to the AFL a fine in the sum of $2,000,000, such amount to be paid by in instalments as follows:
- $400,000 on 31 December 2013;
- $800,000 on 31 December 2014;
- $800,000 on 31 December 2015; and
will forfeit its place in the 2013 AFL finals series and will not play in the 2013 AFL finals series, being deemed to have finished the 2013 Premiership Season in ninth position;
- is prohibited from exercising, at the 2013 National Draft, its Round 1 and Round 2 selections, as those selections are identified immediately prior to the exchange period as specified under Rule 9.1 and any rights conveyed under Rule 8.1; and
- is prohibited from exercising, at the 2014 National Draft, its Round 1 and Round 2 selections, as those selections are identified immediately prior to the exchange period as specified under Rule 9.1 and any rights conveyed under Rule 8.1.
EFC will, in 2014, be granted a selection at the end of Round 1 of the National Draft prior to any compensation selections otherwise awarded under the Rules.
For the avoidance of doubt, the EFC has the ability to trade in for draft selections at any level of draft pick in the 2013 and 2014 National Drafts.
EFC acknowledges that:
- EFC regrets the impact and the potential consequences of this matter for the EFC players and the AFL competition in general;
- EFC supports the AFL Rules and recognises the need for the integrity of those Rules and the integrity of the AFL competition to be preserved by the AFL Commission.
The AFL acknowledges that neither EFC nor any of the individuals charged set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered prohibited or potentially harmful substances.
James Hird
The AFL and James Hird agree that in 2011/2012 EFC implemented, while Hird was Senior Coach of the club, the Program, which was inadequately vetted and controlled.
It is agreed by the AFL and James Hird that:
- he contributed to the Essendon FC’s failure to take sufficient steps to ensure the health, welfare and safety of players in relation to the Program;
- when he became aware of facts that suggested that unsatisfactory practices were occurring, the action he took was not sufficient to stop those practices;
- he did not take sufficient steps to avoid there being a risk that players may have been administered substances that were prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code, and any such risk is an unacceptable risk;
- as Senior Coach, he shares responsibility for the inadequate governance within EFC’s football department,
and in consequence, Hird accepts that the Essendon FC breached Rule 1.6 of the AFL Player Rules.
Sanction
By reason of the matters referred to above:
the AFL will impose a 12 month suspension from the AFL effective from 25 August 2013;
James Hird will not work with any AFL Club in any capacity during this period; and
James Hird accepts this suspension.
The AFL and James Hird consider that the best interests of the game and its supporters are served by a resolution of this matter now given James Hird’s willingness to resolve the matter.
The AFL acknowledges that:
- No breaches of the AFL Anti-Doping Code have been established to date;
- James Hird did not set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered WADA prohibited or harmful substances;
- James Hird’s willingness to resolve the matter as described above is appropriate action by him in the circumstances.
Mark Thompson
The AFL and Thompson agree that in 2011/2012 the Essendon FC implemented, while Thompson was Senior Assistant Coach of the club, the Program, which was experimental, inappropriate and inadequately vetted and controlled.
It is agreed by the AFL and Thompson that:
- he contributed to EFC’s failure to take sufficient steps to ensure the health, welfare and safety of players in relation to the Program;
- when he became aware of facts that suggested that unsatisfactory practices were occurring, the action he took was not sufficient to stop those practices;
- he did not take sufficient steps to avoid there being a risk that players could have been administered substances that were prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code and any such risk is an unacceptable risk;
- as Senior Assistant Coach, he shares responsibility for the inadequate governance and oversight within EFC’s football department in relation to the Program,
- and in consequence, Thompson accepts that Essendon FC breached Rule 1.6 of the AFL Player Rules.
Sanction
the AFL will impose a $30,000 fine
The AFL and Thompson consider that the best interests of the game and its supporters are served by a resolution of this matter now given Thompson’s willingness to accept responsibility as described above.
The AFL acknowledges that:
- No breaches of the AFL Anti-doping Code have been established to date;
- To the best of the AFL’s knowledge and belief, Thompson and the Essendon FC did not set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered WADA prohibited or harmful substances; and
- Mark Thompson’s willingness to resolve the matter as described above is appropriate action by him in the circumstances.
Danny Corcoran
The AFL and Danny Corcoran agree that in 2011/2012 the Essendon FC implemented, while Corcoran was Manager – People and Development of the club, the Program, which was experimental, inappropriate and inadequately vetted and controlled.
It is agreed by the AFL and Corcoran that:
- he contributed to EFC’s failure to take sufficient steps to ensure the health, welfare and safety of players in relation to the Program;
- when he became aware of facts that suggested that unsatisfactory practices were occurring, the action he took was not sufficient to stop those practices;
- he did not take sufficient steps to avoid there being a risk that players could have been administered substances that were prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code and any such risk is an unacceptable risk;
- as Manager – People and Development, he shares responsibility for the inadequate governance within EFC’s football department in relation to the Program,
- and in consequence, Danny Corcoran accepts that he contributed to EFC breaching Rule 1.6 of the AFL Player Rules.
Sanction
the AFL will impose a 6 month suspension from the AFL, effective 1 October 2013, 2 months of which is suspended for a period of 2 years;
Danny Corcoran is not permitted to work with any AFL Club in any capacity during any period of suspension referred to in the preceding paragraph; and
Danny Corcoran accepts this suspension.
The AFL and Danny Corcoran consider that the best interests of the game and its supporters are served by a resolution of this matter now given Corcoran’s willingness to resolve the matter as described above.
The AFL acknowledges that:
- No breaches of the AFL Anti-Doping Code have been established based on the information held by the AFL;
- To the best of the AFL’s knowledge and belief, neither Danny Corcoran nor the Essendon FC set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered WADA prohibited or harmful substances; and
-Danny Corcoran’s willingness to resolve the matter as described above is appropriate action by him in the circumstances.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-27/list-of-charges-against-essendon-and-its-officials
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Thompson trying to have nothing of Caro :lol
He is squirming like a worm. Very uncomfortable being there. ;D
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Really enjoying this interview. Bomber is pretty peeved, probably still fresh and fired up since being in front of the commission but it appears like he's getting a lot of his chest and further putting Hird in it.
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Bomber is frooking delusional
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A lot of hand gesticulating. A clear sign of guilt. :lol :rollin :lol
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Talking about unknown substances, does Dewy no what he was putting into his body when eating all those pies
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A comparison
Hird: 12 months no pay, can go to games etc
Trigg: 12 months down to 6 no pay, cannot set foot in the AFC, Cannot go to games, fined $50,000
Corcoran: 4 months
Bomber: $30,000
Harper: 3 months, cannot set foot in the AFC
Draft picks:
Adelaide: 2 years no first and second round + Tippett trade blocked (equiv to two 2nd round picks) = 4 + 2 draft picks lost.
Essendon: 2 years no first and second round this year, but end of first round pick next year. = 3 draft picks lost
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Most scary comment Caro:
"Has/can the AFL cut a deal with wada to let players off"
>:(
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The reactions coming out of Essendon and from their supporters tonight is very similar to Carlton when they got hammered by the AFL for salary cap cheating. A mixture of denial, resignation, anger towards the AFL and trying to portray themselves as the victims of "unfair and harsh" penalties.
I wonder what will happen to all the #standbyhird posters now .... (sounds of tearing cardboard).
Also cries in the night towards posters of Hird on bedroom walls ...
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Most scary comment Caro:
"Has/can the AFL cut a deal with wada to let players off"
>:(
she wasnt really sure Bents
lets hope they do, then they can sue the hell out of the EFC, further ruining their club
i cant see how any player would want to stay there.
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:yep
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- engaged in practices that exposed players to potential risks to their health and safety as well as the potential risk of using substances that were prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code;
- failed to devise or implement adequate systems or processes to ensure that some substances provided to and used by players were safe and were compliant with the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code;
failed to have proper regard to player health and safety, including failing to ensure that some substances had no potentially negative effects on players;
- EFC failed to ensure it adequately protected the health, welfare and safety of the players;
there was a risk that Essendon players could have been administered substances prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code and any such risk is an unacceptable risk; and
- EFC is unable now to determine whether players were administered some substances prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code,
The AFL acknowledges that neither EFC nor any of the individuals charged set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered prohibited or potentially harmful substances.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-27/list-of-charges-against-essendon-and-its-officials
It doesn't matter whether you took a banned substance by accident or that you weren't intending to cheat; you still cop a ban.
It's now up to ASADA to determine if tonight's verdict is all there is or if there's enough/more evidence regarding players being allegedly given WADA banned substance(s). While Essendon can move on, this investigation still hangs over the heads of the Bombers' players.
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- engaged in practices that exposed players to potential risks to their health and safety as well as the potential risk of using substances that were prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code;
- failed to devise or implement adequate systems or processes to ensure that some substances provided to and used by players were safe and were compliant with the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code;
failed to have proper regard to player health and safety, including failing to ensure that some substances had no potentially negative effects on players;
- EFC failed to ensure it adequately protected the health, welfare and safety of the players;
there was a risk that Essendon players could have been administered substances prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code and any such risk is an unacceptable risk; and
- EFC is unable now to determine whether players were administered some substances prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code,
The AFL acknowledges that neither EFC nor any of the individuals charged set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered prohibited or potentially harmful substances.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-27/list-of-charges-against-essendon-and-its-officials
It doesn't matter whether you took a banned substance by accident or that you weren't intending to cheat; you still cop a ban.
It's now up to ASADA to determine if tonight's verdict is all there is or if there's enough/more evidence regarding players being allegedly given WADA banned substance(s). While Essendon can move on, this investigation still hangs over the heads of the Bombers' players.
The AFL will ask ASADA dont do anything please, until after the grand final.
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- engaged in practices that exposed players to potential risks to their health and safety as well as the potential risk of using substances that were prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code;
- failed to devise or implement adequate systems or processes to ensure that some substances provided to and used by players were safe and were compliant with the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code;
failed to have proper regard to player health and safety, including failing to ensure that some substances had no potentially negative effects on players;
- EFC failed to ensure it adequately protected the health, welfare and safety of the players;
there was a risk that Essendon players could have been administered substances prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code and any such risk is an unacceptable risk; and
- EFC is unable now to determine whether players were administered some substances prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code,
The AFL acknowledges that neither EFC nor any of the individuals charged set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered prohibited or potentially harmful substances.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-27/list-of-charges-against-essendon-and-its-officials
It doesn't matter whether you took a banned substance by accident or that you weren't intending to cheat; you still cop a ban.
It's now up to ASADA to determine if tonight's verdict is all there is or if there's enough/more evidence regarding players being allegedly given WADA banned substance(s). While Essendon can move on, this investigation still hangs over the heads of the Bombers' players.
It's not over yet, fullas.
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"And then i said, we haven't even been allowed to have our say yet!!"
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:lol
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Most scary comment Caro:
"Has/can the AFL cut a deal with wada to let players off"
>:(
WADA doesn't do deals ;D
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Most scary comment Caro:
"Has/can the AFL cut a deal with wada to let players off"
>:(
she wasnt really sure Bents
lets hope they do, then they can sue the hell out of the EFC, further ruining their club
i cant see how any player would want to stay there.
if the player have to take responsibility for their own actions what basis do they have to sue or want to leave the club?
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Most scary comment Caro:
"Has/can the AFL cut a deal with wada to let players off"
>:(
she wasnt really sure Bents
lets hope they do, then they can sue the hell out of the EFC, further ruining their club
i cant see how any player would want to stay there.
if the player have to take responsibility for their own actions what basis do they have to sue or want to leave the club?
lets hope not but i would say evidence of harm to their health would do it in a massive way.
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Stripped of draft picks for the second time in 15 years
What a ****ing disgrace
My EAD prayers go out to: Robbo, Rohan, Lloydy, Spike, Emma Quayle, Juilian De Stoop, Timmy, Charlie Pickering, the Costellos, the Peacocks, the Demetrious, the Hirds, Brian Mannix ... have I missed anyone?
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Stripped of draft picks for the second time in 15 years
What a ****ing disgrace
My EAD prayers go out to: Robbo, Rohan, Lloydy, Spike, Emma Quayle, Juilian De Stoop, Timmy, Charlie Pickering, the Costellos, the Peacocks, the Demetrious, the Hirds, Brian Mannix ... have I missed anyone?
Fat boy Hurley, Autumn leaves Jetta, softie goddard, jabba watson, gerard whateley
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I was half expecting Chairman Little to do Jimmy Bakker when he (Rev Jimmy Bakker) fessed up to cheating and robbing his followers
"I have sinned against the Lord" said Jimmy with Tammy Faye sitting beside him with false eyelashes falling off ;D
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Stripped of draft picks for the second time in 15 years
What a ****ing disgrace
My EAD prayers go out to: Robbo, Rohan, Lloydy, Spike, Emma Quayle, Juilian De Stoop, Timmy, Charlie Pickering, the Costellos, the Peacocks, the Demetrious, the Hirds, Brian Mannix ... have I missed anyone?
yes you have. you have forgotten Luke "James you are a inspiration" Darcy.
Has been upgraded in my book to the top 5 biggest flogs in sport, just behind spike
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Spike McVeigh owes Kyle Reimers an apology
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Spike McVeigh owes Kyle Reimers an apology
Hope you're not waiting for it to happen Coach because I reckon you will be waiting a very long time indeed
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1. Fitzpatrick comments last night - "cant say prohibited substance weren't takn". Vlad "asada investigation ongoing"
2. Some of the charges in the full charge sheet: prohibited substance term used often
3. The charge sheet from last Wednesday: tb4 via charters/china/dank/injection s
4. The dank / McKenzie interview: tb4 admission
5. The age article in regards to players telling Asada they were on tb4
6. Bomber saying last night of FC AdofHirdler had been warned about peptides
#StandByWADA
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'I should have known more', says remorseful Hird
By Ashley Browne
afl.com.au
Wednesday, August 28, 2013
JAMES Hird has admitted he took his eyes off the ball at Essendon last year as the club's supplements program spun out of control.
Speaking on Wednesday morning, barely 12 hours after being suspended as coach of the Bombers for the next 12 months, Hird said he should have been more aware of what was taking place at the club.
"I should have known what was going on; I should have known more and I'm very disappointed that I didn’t," he said at a media conference outside his Melbourne home.
"There is a level of responsibility you have as a senior coach.
"There are a lot of things that happened at our football club that shouldn't have happened and as senior coach I take some responsibility for what happened and not trying to stop it."
Hird said it was disappointing that he would not be coaching the Bombers on the weekend and again next season, but said it was the right thing to do for his players and the club to bring the battle with the AFL to a close.
"Our players need to be able to play football and to move on.
"To be fighting a battle in the Supreme Court against the AFL on a matter of principle was not the right thing to do for our players and even for myself and my family."
Hird continued to maintain he that he broke no rules.
"I didn’t break the rules I was charged with and those charges have been dropped and we have agreed to move on," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-28/i-should-have-known
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Door not closed on Bomber doping infractions
By Nick Bowen and Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
Wednesday, August 28, 2013
AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou has warned that although no drug infraction notices have been issued against Essendon players, ASADA's investigation into the Bombers' 2011-12 supplements program remains ongoing.
"Our announcement today makes it very clear that in the case of the Essendon Football Club and the individuals that they were involved in a situation that provided a risk to their players for the use of prohibited substances," Demetriou said.
"Having said that through our general counsel, and it's still the position today, there is no evidence at the moment to issue infraction notices about the use of prohibited substances.
"ASADA have made it very clear that they have an ongoing investigation so that part of it remains open."
Demetriou said it was entirely up to ASADA as to whether they issued new charges about Essendon players.
Demetriou also said the AFL had no intention of stripping Essendon captain Jobe Watson of his 2012 Brownlow Medal.
"As it stands today, Jobe Watson hasn't been handed an infraction notice," Demetriou said.
"We haven't got a view, we haven't formed a view, we're not planning to do anything about his Brownlow Medal."
Demetriou said the AFL would "absolutely" encourage ASASA to use the coercive legislative powers it was given in August to compel Dank to give evidence, suggesting it was only a matter of time before the government agency did.
"They are going through a process now where they can exercise those powers effectively and it's only a timing issue," Demetriou said.
Demetriou said the AFL, which unsuccessfully requested an interview with Dank during its investigation into Essendon, would still welcome the chance to speak with the controversial sports scientist, emphasising the AFL Commission still had the power to sanction him as a former football club employee.
"We are blessed to have the greatest game on earth but unfortunately sometimes the actions of one or two people can cause significant damage to fine people's reputations," Demetriou said.
"And I think if Stephen Dank wants to come forward and present himself before the AFL Commission or ASADA he's more than welcome to put himself forward because he's got a lot to answer for. "
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-27/door-not-closed-on-bomber-doping-infractions
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:lol poor Hirdy such a hero.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23860216
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http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2013/08/28/sports/rugby/28reuters-doping-australia-essendon.html?hp
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Peyote Jim's lawyers today:-
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/Hird-would-have-won-QC/61354
Suspended Essendon coach James Hird’s QC, Julian Burnside has told SEN that he believes his client would have won his now-abandoned court action he launched against the AFL last week.?
Following charges laid against the Bombers and individuals - including Hird, the former Essendon champion launched his own legal action against the AFL accusing the league of not acting impartially.
Burnside said it was "very likely" that Hird would have cleared his name over the allegations of conduct unbecoming and bringing the game into disrepute should the court case have proceeded.??
Burnside also defended his comments yesterday where he described Hird's acceptance of the suspension as a "heroic" and "courageous" act.
“James had been subjected to relentless adverse press over the last six months, which has been unbelievable hard for him and his family to cope with,” he said.
“He could have gone on defending this charge and in my view, he would very likely have won, and cleared his name - but that would have dragged on the whole sorry thing for another three or four months.
“The alternative was to help finish it off so that the club and players could move on, but that involved copping the penalty that he did.
“He decided to put the club’s and the player’s interests ahead of his own.”
Burnside, who confessed to not being a football fan, was critical of the AFL’s judicial process.
"I don't like what I saw ... (there was) not a great sense of natural justice ... What I saw worried me a lot," he said.
He also said it was “astonishing” how much sensitive material was leaked to the media.
"I'm not sure who leaked it, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the players or the club."
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*cough cough*
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just been reading about the amount of father sons they have coming through
Some talent there like Neagle. Unfortunately due to Jimmys incompetence Neagle wont be at Windy hill.
Can someone clear up the father son rule for me
As it stands now their 1st pick is the 3rd round.
On Monday of trade week(I believe this is when father/sons are nominated) they may get out bidded, say by GWS.
Do they have until the end of trade week to come up with a better offer to match GWS or whatever their best offer is on Monday of trade week, is what their stuck with.
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just been reading about the amount of father sons they have coming through
Some talent there like Neagle. Unfortunately due to Jimmys incompetence Neagle wont be at Windy hill.
Can someone clear up the father son rule for me
As it stands now their 1st pick is the 3rd round.
On Monday of trade week(I believe this is when father/sons are nominated) they may get out bidded, say by GWS.
Do they have until the end of trade week to come up with a better offer to match GWS or whatever their best offer is on Monday of trade week, is what their stuck with.
They would use their next available pick. Neagle is ordinary. Late-rookie pick.
Interestingly when Crows got banned they couldn't take any F/S picks at all.
Funnily Essendon have a highly rated F/S next year and could be nominated before that pick 19 they were given. /tinfoilhat
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Who?
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Texts reveal Stephen Dank discussed injecting Bombers with experimental racehorse drug
Carly Crawford
From: Herald Sun
August 29, 2013
SPORTS scientist Stephen Dank discussed giving Essendon players a "new polymer" tested on American racehorses, text messages allegedly reveal.
And a doctor who worked with the sports scientist allegedly advised him against administering a drug the AFL believes was given to players, saying it had "more downside than upside".
The revelations come as AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou led the football world in appealing to Mr Dank to co-operate with anti-doping investigators.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's probe into Essendon's supplement program continues.
The Herald Sun understands there is a strong possibility doping charges could be brought against players and even officials.
A series of text messages seen by the Herald Sun show Mr Dank allegedly asked a pharmacist for help treating players last year, and suggested testing a blended substance on "a couple of players".
The Bombers' program was described as "pharmacologically experimental" after an internal review earlier this year.
On August 5 last year, Mr Dank and the pharmacist appear to discuss mixing Thymosin, the anti-obesity drug AOD9604 and an unnamed cell-repair agent, and giving it to players.
Dank: "Have we tried it on anyone yet?"
Pharmacist: "Few dental injections for periodontal sockets but not for sporting."
Dank: "Did they go all right with efficacy?"
Pharmacist: "Yep it did the job. Amazing repair properties."
Dank: "Let us test a couple of players."
It is not clear whether the blend was ever administered to anyone at Essendon.
One of the external doctors who treated Essendon players alongside Mr Dank had urged him not to use Melanotan II, according to evidence gathered as part of the ASADA probe.
The medic allegedly told Mr Dank last April there was "more downside than upside in terms of performance".
When approached by the Herald Sun, the doctor did not deny issuing the advice to Mr Dank, but declined to comment.
The AFL had alleged Essendon players and coach James Hird had been given Melanotan II, though Hird reportedly disputes using it.
ASADA has been unable to say if Melanotan II is banned, referring the Herald Sun to the World Anti-Doping Agency, which said it was among the substances being assessed for possible prohibition under the 'S0 category'.
Mr Dank, who's denied giving anything banned or harmful to anyone at Essendon, didn't return calls.
Players signed consent forms agreeing to take AOD9604 and Thymosin, according to evidence gathered in the AFL and ASADA probe into Essendon's 2012 supplements program.
The type of Thymosin has been closely examined, over concerns it may have been a dangerous, untested type banned for athletes.
As part of its contentious plea deal with the AFL, Essendon agreed there was a risk its players had been given banned drugs but there was nothing to show the club had set out to cheat.
The AFL released a range of text messages between key figures involved in the scandal last week to publicly demonstrate its disrepute case against the club.
FULL TEXT MESSAGE EXCHANGE BETWEEN DANK AND THE PHARMACIST
August 5, 2012
Dank: I need some help with this football team.
Pharmacist: Don't worry buddy. We can start them on the cocktails next week. When is there (sic) next game?
Dank: Next Sunday against North Melbourne.
Pharmacist: How are the soft tissue injuries looking?
Dank: S--. 2 more.
Dank: I know the mechanism.
Dank: Can the AOD and the Thymosin be mixed?
Pharmacist: I can test it out. Also, is there a problem with giving them an anaesthetic in the muscle? I have discovered a new polymer which will provide a slow release system while repairing damaged cell walls. Intramuscular injection.
Dank: No problems with that all.
Dank: Is it efficacious?
Pharmacist: Very much so. It's amazing and being used in the USA for elite horse racing. I can even put the thymosin and AOD in it.
Dank: Perfect let's get going.
Dank: Have we tried it on anyone yet?
Pharmacist: Few dental injections for periodontal sockets but not for sporting.
Dank: Did they go all right with efficacy?
Pharmacist: Yep it did the job. Amazing repair properties
Dank: Let us test a couple of players.
Pharmacist: Sounds good buddy. Speak soon.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/texts-reveal-stephen-dank-discussed-injecting-bombers-with-experimental-racehorse-drug/story-fndv8gad-1226706049266#mm-breached
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Ox -Lets try it on Hirdy's kids.
Pharmacist - He won't go for that.
Ox - stuff him. Don't tell him. Just slip it into their corn flakes.
Pharmacist - ok.
Ox - turd.
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Dons warned on axing
Jake Niall
The Age
August 29, 2013
The AFL made Essendon aware that the club could be stood down - removed from the competition immediately and taken out of the finals - before the club reached an agreement over the unprecedented penalties for bringing the game into disrepute.
While the AFL did not explicitly threaten the Bombers with removal from the competition under rule 1.5A (G) - the one that can also see players ''stood down'' and effectively suspended on the spot - the club was mindful that this was an option for the league as the parties fought over the settlement that eventually ended with the Bombers out of the finals, forfeiting draft picks and fined $2 million with their senior coach James Hird and football operations chief Danny Corcoran suspended.
Had the AFL stood Essendon down - under the same rule that was contemplated for St Kilda forward Stephen Milne when he was charged with rape and which the governing body chose not to exercise then - the Bombers could have sought a court injunction, but they might have risked any premiership points penalties dragging into 2014, a situation all parties wished to avoid.
But Essendon won a small victory in the marathon negotiations - yet to be officially announced - when the AFL agreed that it would take no action against other coaches and staff who have not been charged - meaning coaches Simon Goodwin and James Byrnes will escape any penalty for their peripheral role in the scandal. Goodwin can therefore remain on the coaching panel and possibly be a candidate to hold Hird's position for the next 12 months if the decorated Mark Thompson does not want the job.
Stephen Dank, the controversial chemist whom AFL boss Andrew Demetriou said had much to answer for in the saga, alleged back in April that Hird, Goodwin and Byrnes were administered with substances that are banned for players (but not coaches). The AFL's original charge sheet said a number of Essendon staff - not simply coaches - were injected with various substances, including the banned Hexarelin, SARM 22 and AOD-9604.
Fairfax Media understands that the AFL has taken the view that other staff, even if they made mistakes, were not key decision-makers and thus were not as accountable as Hird, Corcoran, Thompson and Dr Bruce Reid for what happened in the disgraced 2012 supplements program that has seen Essendon removed from the finals.
In other developments from the formal conclusion to Essendon's saga, it can be revealed that:
■ Hird's speech to the AFL commission opened and closed with apologies - and was viewed favourably by those present, including the AFL Commission. Hird's first sentence contained the words ''I'm sorry'' and the suspended coach went on to passionately defend his position, saying he was not a drug cheat.
■ The AFL initially ''offered'' Essendon a fine of $3 million and was intent on not allowing the Bombers to trade back into the first two rounds of the 2013 and 2014 drafts when negotiations started. This tough stance had been relaxed somewhat by last week.
■ In the eventual settlement, the club lost the same four draft picks, was fined $2 million but was allowed to trade into those drafts and was awarded a draft selection at the end of the first round in 2014.
■ Fairfax Media understands the AFL did not want Essendon to play in the finals for the sake of the competition's integrity, and the league needed a settlement soon.
■ While Hird is suspended immediately, Corcoran will work at the club until the end of September, at which point his four-month suspension (with two months suspended sentence) begins. Chairman Paul Little has confirmed Hird will be awarded a two-year contract extension, beginning once his suspension is served.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/dons-warned-on-axing-20130828-2sqxi.html
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just been reading about the amount of father sons they have coming through
Some talent there like Neagle. Unfortunately due to Jimmys incompetence Neagle wont be at Windy hill.
Can someone clear up the father son rule for me
As it stands now their 1st pick is the 3rd round.
On Monday of trade week(I believe this is when father/sons are nominated) they may get out bidded, say by GWS.
Do they have until the end of trade week to come up with a better offer to match GWS or whatever their best offer is on Monday of trade week, is what their stuck with.
They would use their next available pick. Neagle is ordinary. Late-rookie pick.
Interestingly when Crows got banned they couldn't take any F/S picks at all.
Funnily Essendon have a highly rated F/S next year and could be nominated before that pick 19 they were given. /tinfoilhat
I thought that if GWS offered say "bid" with their nd round pick the Bomber had to offer their next pick in the same round; that is they wpuld have to use their 2nd round pick to match GWS in the bidding process
And in this case because the Bumblings dont' have a 2nd round pick to bid with then they would not has access to the F/S pick
:huh :-\ :-\ :-\ :huh :help :help
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That's how I understood it WP
Ramps
MT
Anyone confirm?
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Who?
Michael Long's kid I think.
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1. Fitzpatrick comments last night - "cant say prohibited substance weren't takn". Vlad "asada investigation ongoing"
2. Some of the charges in the full charge sheet: prohibited substance term used often
3. The charge sheet from last Wednesday: tb4 via charters/china/dank/injection s
4. The dank / McKenzie interview: tb4 admission
5. The age article in regards to players telling Asada they were on tb4
6. Bomber saying last night of FC AdofHirdler had been warned about peptides
#StandByWADA
7. Dank txts to Pharmacist
Experiment horse drugs
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:lol hope they get hammered again soon. Would be hilarious.
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That's how I understood it WP
Ramps
MT
Anyone confirm?
daniel, Going by an article in today's HUN that i've just read, how I described it is how it works see below ;D :thumbsup
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Essendon have to hope rivals don't bid for potential father-son stars in 2013 and 2014
by: Jon Ralph and Jay Clark
•From: Herald Sun
•August 28, 2013 10:39PM
ESSENDON will be wiped out of all early father-son bidding for the next two years, despite having a selection before the second round of next year's draft.
The AFL confirmed on Wednesday that the limitations negotiated as part of the supplements program sanctions would severely restricted the Bombers' future father-son options.
The club's junior talent program, ironically labelled the James Hird Academy, has identified dozens of Baby Bombers for future drafts.
They include the sons of club legends Paul Vander Haar, Michael Long, Chris Daniher and Dean Wallis.
At this stage there is no star like Joe Daniher among the next two years of picks, but players can make dramatic improvements over a single season.
Big man Callum Daniher and midfielder Todd Vander Haar are available this year and speedster Jake Long can be taken next year, although early indications are that none are yet first-round picks.
The best the Bombers can offer for a father-son is a third-round pick, so if any club bids a first or second-round selection they will get the player.
The Bombers offering their first pick in the draft - a third-round pick - is not enough to snare the player if there is a higher bid.
And they cannot use their newly allocated selection at the end of the first round in next year's draft for father-son purposes.
Neither can they trade back into the early selections to use as father-son picks, because father-son selections are made just before the trade period commences.
The AFL confirmed the additional selection which could be pick 19 - handed to them after intense negotiations - could not be used for father-son selections.
"They have a pick after Round 1 but that pick has been inserted into the national draft so it cannot be used on a father-son," AFL spokesman Patrick Keane said.
"They have no father-son rights for Rounds 1 and 2, and cannot bid on another club's father-son players."
Full article:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-have-to-hope-rivals-dont-bid-for-potential-father-son-stars-in-2013-and-2014/story-fngeflq8-1226706093372
:clapping :clapping ;D
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hahahahaah
there it is. nice work. :thumbsup
Another own goal by Jimmy :birthday :birthday
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they'll just get the boys to tank so no-one bids, hardly a problem
they have tampered the draft the last two years already with Heppell and Kavanspud
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:lol hope they get hammered again soon. Would be hilarious.
Hopefully a succession of hammerings over off season will keep things interesting
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We should drafr efc f/s just to shyte them :thumbsup
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Re Father Son picks for EFCV
They will just get the boys not to nominate until 2016 under the promise of an increased salary and a longer contract.
:thumbsup
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The James Hird academy :lol
Those kids have probably been jabbed already.
Daniher definitely was, the side effects were horrifying. :lol
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1172/joesmile.jpg)
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Re Father Son picks for EFCV
They will just get the boys not to nominate until 2016 under the promise of an increased salary and a longer contract.
:thumbsup
Please
then risk getting injured and not getting picked up at all.
Not a chance in hell 65
cant tempt fate in this game
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We should drafr efc f/s just to shyte them :thumbsup
yep
il be in that
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We should drafr efc f/s just to shyte them :thumbsup
yep
il be in that
Draft a dud F/S and it won't poo them
They'll be doing this :clapping :clapping
look at how the last Neagle kid they drafted turned out,
They aren't all Joe Danihers ;D
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We should drafr efc f/s just to shyte them :thumbsup
yep
il be in that
Draft a dud F/S and it won't poo them
They'll be doing this :clapping :clapping
look at how the last Neagle kid they drafted turned out,
They aren't all Joe Danihers ;D
of course but if he is good then go for it
I have no idea who is good who isn't, aside from what you read.
Thats claw's area of expertise
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she was right on the money, when it came to the subject of the penalties the AFL had just imposed on Essendon. ''It's a total whitewash,'' she said flatly. ''All these penalties on issues of 'governance' and 'misconduct' and no mention of drugs whatsoever!'''
Exactly.
asasas
Veritable promotion: James Hird speaks to the media outside his home on Wednesday morning. Photo: Getty Images
She was not alone in her views. As Holmes was speaking, a tweet from Australian cyclist Anna Meares came across the screen: ''Wonder what the response would have been if Lance Armstrong was demoted to 9th for doping ... AFL ... Seriously? What a joke.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afls-darkest-day-is-just-a--whitewash-20130828-2sqt2.html#ixzz2dJiUSnR4
It’s times like these when we get to see just how much sports like Australian rules football shape the thoughts and dreams of so many Australians. Not only has the Essendon drugs scandal dominated much of the news cycle during a federal election campaign, but it has also created the remarkable #StandByHird movement whereby many high and low-profile Essendon supporters have banded together to protest coach James Hird’s innocence.
Hird yesterday accepted a 12 month suspension from the game for his role in the club’s supplements regime during 2011 and 2012. But people who would otherwise carefully try to sort fact from fiction previously dismissed any claims of wrongdoing out of hand. The detailed AFL charge sheet that shocked non-Essendon fans and commentators has been explained away as a conspiracy, a naďve witch-hunt, and a silly drama about harmless vitamins.
So what makes academics, accountants, journalists and many others behave like this?
https://theconversation.com/understanding-the-cult-of-james-hird-17584
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I think they like Michael Longs boy alot recruiting wise if he is any good then they would probably hurt most if they lost him.
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Everyone should know I am not a fan of Bin Boy Barrett but even he has given Hird a whack ;D
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Hird's halo gives way to self-interest
By Damian Barrett
1:38pm AEST Thursday, August 29, 2013
EVEN on the morning after the great backdown, which came after the six-month long request that the truth be made public, the spin continued.
James Hird had been "heroic", according to his lawyer. Essendon had been "unfairly dealt with", according to Hird himself. Give us a spell.
And here's the real doozy, again from his lawyer – it was "very likely" Hird would have succeeded in court action against the AFL had he pursued it. Of course he would have.
For nearly seven months, we were told by Hird that he and Essendon were going to be in far better position when the AFL/ASADA investigation had fully played out.
High-end lawyers were employed, at monumental cost, to ensure that be the case.
Hird had the full backing of the person holding the highest position at his football club, too.
Well, he did after his belligerence in wanting to not just take on the AFL, but accuse its two highest-ranked executives, Andrew Demetriou and Gillon McLachlan, of actions that may have been punishable by jail, contributed to forcing out the previous chairman David Evans.
Evans, a man who happened to be a 20-year friend, and like so many others caught up in the reverence of Hird, was a man who had worshipped his every move.
One wonders what broke first in Evans – his heart or his health. And whether it was his realisation that Hird was prepared to put himself ahead of the club and the game that triggered the hurt.
The sanctions accepted on Tuesday night by Hird, the Essendon Football Club, assistant coach Mark Thompson and football operations manager Danny Corcoran, were actually greater than those being thrashed out by Evans, before he quit.
And yet on the morning after the great backdown, which came after months of legal threats to go the journey, Hird was still being positioned in public debate as innocent.
In fact, he had done "absolutely nothing wrong", according to Julian Burnside QC.
Whatever.
Would love to know exactly how much football money was lost to lawyers in this drama. Would love to know exactly if and how much Essendon Football Club money was used by Hird for his legal pursuits. Remember, that money, if it was used by Hird, is effectively members' money. And it has been wasted just like the 2013 season.
At least Hird himself used the "sorry" word on several occasions when he finally rolled up at AFL Headquarters late on Tuesday.
But as he now ponders the disgrace, the hurt and the unknown attached to a 12-month AFL suspension, he needs to ask many questions. Mostly of himself, starting with why he played the dangerous legal game all the way through to this week.
Club chairman Paul Little needs to ask himself why he allowed Hird – even encouraged him – to head down that path.
Little's press conference last week, when he said the AFL was "reprehensible" and actually dared to talk on behalf of the football public to state it had lost confidence in the AFL, was staggering in its delusion.
Let's pump that chest a few more times, right after Hird had pumped his.
In the end, and given Essendon's decision to roll over on Tuesday night, the whole legal threat line was nothing but a deliberate ploy to divert attention from the actual issue: the embarrassingly amateurish handling of the drugs program inflicted on players from late 2011 and into 2012.
So, are we meant to just forget that stance, which was so botched that it actually united the 17 rival clubs on one issue like never before, Paul Little?
The man himself needs to address why he held the game of AFL to ransom for so long, and if he doesn't, Essendon members should.
When it was all signed off with the AFL late Tuesday night, Little had arrived at a set of sanctions that were harsher than those being worked on by Evans.
And he arrived at that outcome when he finally and so belatedly concluded that his football club was never going to win this issue.
Evans' role in all of this still needs proper analysis, but at least he was aware that serious sanctions were guaranteed, and didn't take the club down its frothing-at-the-mouth course.
The AFL is far from faultless in this embarrassing saga. It needs to thoroughly review its football operations department, and meticulously revisit the late 2011 meeting with Hird where peptides were discussed.
It should consider handing down its own sanctions against those who knew of that meeting and yet then failed to police the Bombers' subsequent actions.
Adrian Anderson's time as football operations manager saw a lot of chest-pumping and public belittling of people who dared to wager a few dollars on certain contests, yet not much when it came to trying to get to the bottom of other, equally serious issues.
Such as the very obvious preparedness of some officials and players to push the boundaries of performance enhancement.
Remember, in 2011 Anderson admitted that more than 20 players were being profiled by drug testers. Senior doping officials from rival sports maintain that athletes are not, as a rule, profiled without reason.
The AFL needs to fully get its head around the fact that the men who play its game, and those who coach and guide them, will push to the absolute limit the boundaries upon which they operate. Just like athletes all round the world.
No more of the well entrenched, naive starting-point view that everyone is clean.
It also needs to realise that a negotiated outcome is not always the best way to deal with a scandal.
It needs, just like Essendon, to ask the toughest questions of itself. And to commit to acting on the findings, as it attempts to move on from an issue at least partially of its own making which has forever tainted the game it controls.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-29/hirds-halo-gives-way-to-selfinterest
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good to see spock has loosened up a bit and had a few bongs, nice read :thumbsup
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good to see spock has loosened up a bit and had a few bongs, nice read :thumbsup
A bonfire and a bong helps all rats masquerading as humans to relax.
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Dr Reid is taking the AFL to the Supreme Court ::)
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Essendon club doctor Bruce Reid wants Supreme Court to rule on case after failing to reach resolution with AFL
by: Grant Baker
•From: Herald Sun
•August 29, 2013 3:35PM
LEGENDARY Essendon club doctor Bruce Reid will continue his fight against the AFL in the Supreme Court.
Reid argued at an AFL Commission hearing at AFL House today for the commission to refer the hearing to an independent and qualified person such as a recently retired Supreme Court Judge.
But the commissioners dismissed that application.
Counsel for Reid then applied for a "prompt release of the transcript of argument and the commissioners' ruling, to enable the early issue of Supreme Court proceedings".
Reid will seek a judicial review of the decision and will apply to have a recently-retired Supreme Court judge to hear and decide the charges.
Reid's lawyer Perry Maddocks said "Reid is adamant that he is innocent and wishes to defend the allegations against him in a public hearing".
Full article:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-club-doctor-bruce-reid-wants-supreme-court-to-rule-on-case-after-failing-to-reach-resolution-with-afl/story-fni5f6kv-1226706077665
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Ahahahaha.
Dr Bruce Reid & Essendon Malakies Club. ;D
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bigger balls than jimmy janglenuts
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It helps have a multi billion dollar medical paternity behind you. I hope the AFL commission sicks it right up him!
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did Reid have anything to do with the program besides writing a letter to hird telling him it was not a good idea and that he wasnt happy in the way he was being circumnavigated by dank and co?
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Mark Robinson skata in Sen saying tried going to court will be down fall of AFL and Vlad due to Evans phone call.
Rubbish robbo. Everything will come out and no one will save efx reputation :shh
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What is the relevance of the "tip off" to the case?
Why would it even come up and why would a judge allow it?
Good one :thumbsup
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im still trying to work out how that has anything to do with injections and not being able to eyeball a parent and tell them what we put in their son. Robbo is all drugendon and asked 3 questions at the presser, all had to do with this and defending his drug cheats
Straw
clutching
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“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
We have not taken PED - don't know what drugs we took
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Players may think twice about joining Dons: Managers
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-30/windy-hill-worry
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Painting Hird a hero a big mistake
By Ben Hocking
Friday, August 30, 2013
Source: SportsFan
Of all the distasteful revelations that have come out about Essendon's supplements program since the club first called for a joint ASADA-AFL investigation, they pale in comparison to the subsequent bile-inducing attempts to fete disgraced coach James Hird as a hero.
James Hird's lawyer, Julian Burnside, used the word "heroic" to describe Hird's decision to accept a 12-month ban for bringing the game into disrepute.
Burnside, a highly respected refugee advocate, also claimed that Hird would have won the case if he had taken the AFL to court over the matter. The response of his lawyer took away any contrition Hird claimed to have for his part in the entire sordid saga.
Hird himself didn't seem too contrite the day after accepting the penalty, being still unable to pinpoint for reporters exactly what he was guilty of when questioned by reporters and repeating the mantra that it was "just time to move on". Like that would make everything okay.
It does seem that the money Hird paid Burnside definitely paid dividends if the terms of the settlement are anything to go by. Sure, Hird got what can only be considered a light sentence in the 12-month suspension, but the wording of what he was deemed guilty of seems to have served him extremely well.
The AFL's statement read: "When he (Hird) became aware of facts that suggested that unsatisfactory practices were occurring, the action he took was not sufficient to stop those practices."
When the AFL released its charges against Hird and Essendon a week earlier, it appeared as though the AFL had evidence that, rather than not taking sufficient action to stop the practices, Hird was sending text messages deliberately trying to circumvent those who were trying to hamper the program. When he received Dr Bruce Reid's now infamous letter, Hird texted football operations manager Danny Corcoran asking him to use his "United Nations skills" to persuade Reid to get with the program.
Another win for Hird and Burnside was the wording of the AFL's statement: "James Hird did not set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered WADA prohibited or harmful substances."
Mark Thompson and his lawyer could only manage to achieve: "To the best of the AFL's knowledge and belief, Thompson and the Essendon FC did not set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered WADA prohibited or harmful substances."
Whether the missing words "to the best of the AFL's knowledge and belief" save Hird from any further charges when ASADA's full report is released is still to be seen, but it seems like a fairly significant concession.
While it may or may not save him from further AFL charges, it certainly protects him if any of the current players choose to seek damages through the courts. But this is the biggest reason why painting Hird as a hero is so shocking.
The simple fact is that his actions have resulted in the club's players being injected with substances that have not been approved for human use, with scant regard for the long-term health implications.
Essendon's reaction at all times has been to try and protect the people responsible for this. Indeed, the day after the AFL penalties were announced Hird received a contract extension so that he could continue coaching until at least the end of 2016.
When David Evans was still at the helm, he genuinely sounded like his No.1 concern was for the health and welfare of the players. That has shifted since Paul Little took over, and it all became about protecting James Hird's legacy. Fortunately, footy fans don't often get taken in by legalese and spin and Hird will forever be remembered as the coach that sullied the sport like no other.
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/painting-hird-a-hero-a-big-mistake/tabid/91/newsid/110858/default.aspx
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they pale in comparison to the subsequent bile-inducing attempts to fete disgraced coach James Hird as a hero.
:clapping
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Painting Hird a hero a big mistake
By Ben Hocking
Friday, August 30, 2013
Source: SportsFan
Of all the distasteful revelations that have come out about Essendon's supplements program since the club first called for a joint ASADA-AFL investigation, they pale in comparison to the subsequent bile-inducing attempts to fete disgraced coach James Hird as a hero.
James Hird's lawyer, Julian Burnside, used the word "heroic" to describe Hird's decision to accept a 12-month ban for bringing the game into disrepute.
Burnside, a highly respected refugee advocate, also claimed that Hird would have won the case if he had taken the AFL to court over the matter. The response of his lawyer took away any contrition Hird claimed to have for his part in the entire sordid saga.
Hird himself didn't seem too contrite the day after accepting the penalty, being still unable to pinpoint for reporters exactly what he was guilty of when questioned by reporters and repeating the mantra that it was "just time to move on". Like that would make everything okay.
It does seem that the money Hird paid Burnside definitely paid dividends if the terms of the settlement are anything to go by. Sure, Hird got what can only be considered a light sentence in the 12-month suspension, but the wording of what he was deemed guilty of seems to have served him extremely well.
The AFL's statement read: "When he (Hird) became aware of facts that suggested that unsatisfactory practices were occurring, the action he took was not sufficient to stop those practices."
When the AFL released its charges against Hird and Essendon a week earlier, it appeared as though the AFL had evidence that, rather than not taking sufficient action to stop the practices, Hird was sending text messages deliberately trying to circumvent those who were trying to hamper the program. When he received Dr Bruce Reid's now infamous letter, Hird texted football operations manager Danny Corcoran asking him to use his "United Nations skills" to persuade Reid to get with the program.
Another win for Hird and Burnside was the wording of the AFL's statement: "James Hird did not set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered WADA prohibited or harmful substances."
Mark Thompson and his lawyer could only manage to achieve: "To the best of the AFL's knowledge and belief, Thompson and the Essendon FC did not set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered WADA prohibited or harmful substances."
Whether the missing words "to the best of the AFL's knowledge and belief" save Hird from any further charges when ASADA's full report is released is still to be seen, but it seems like a fairly significant concession.
While it may or may not save him from further AFL charges, it certainly protects him if any of the current players choose to seek damages through the courts. But this is the biggest reason why painting Hird as a hero is so shocking.
The simple fact is that his actions have resulted in the club's players being injected with substances that have not been approved for human use, with scant regard for the long-term health implications.
Essendon's reaction at all times has been to try and protect the people responsible for this. Indeed, the day after the AFL penalties were announced Hird received a contract extension so that he could continue coaching until at least the end of 2016.
When David Evans was still at the helm, he genuinely sounded like his No.1 concern was for the health and welfare of the players. That has shifted since Paul Little took over, and it all became about protecting James Hird's legacy. Fortunately, footy fans don't often get taken in by legalese and spin and Hird will forever be remembered as the coach that sullied the sport like no other.
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/painting-hird-a-hero-a-big-mistake/tabid/91/newsid/110858/default.aspx
James who ??
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Painting Hird a hero a big mistake
By Ben Hocking
Friday, August 30, 2013
Source: SportsFan
Of all the distasteful revelations that have come out about Essendon's supplements program since the club first called for a joint ASADA-AFL investigation, they pale in comparison to the subsequent bile-inducing attempts to fete disgraced coach James Hird as a hero.
James Hird's lawyer, Julian Burnside, used the word "heroic" to describe Hird's decision to accept a 12-month ban for bringing the game into disrepute.
Burnside, a highly respected refugee advocate, also claimed that Hird would have won the case if he had taken the AFL to court over the matter. The response of his lawyer took away any contrition Hird claimed to have for his part in the entire sordid saga.
Hird himself didn't seem too contrite the day after accepting the penalty, being still unable to pinpoint for reporters exactly what he was guilty of when questioned by reporters and repeating the mantra that it was "just time to move on". Like that would make everything okay.
It does seem that the money Hird paid Burnside definitely paid dividends if the terms of the settlement are anything to go by. Sure, Hird got what can only be considered a light sentence in the 12-month suspension, but the wording of what he was deemed guilty of seems to have served him extremely well.
The AFL's statement read: "When he (Hird) became aware of facts that suggested that unsatisfactory practices were occurring, the action he took was not sufficient to stop those practices."
When the AFL released its charges against Hird and Essendon a week earlier, it appeared as though the AFL had evidence that, rather than not taking sufficient action to stop the practices, Hird was sending text messages deliberately trying to circumvent those who were trying to hamper the program. When he received Dr Bruce Reid's now infamous letter, Hird texted football operations manager Danny Corcoran asking him to use his "United Nations skills" to persuade Reid to get with the program.
Another win for Hird and Burnside was the wording of the AFL's statement: "James Hird did not set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered WADA prohibited or harmful substances."
Mark Thompson and his lawyer could only manage to achieve: "To the best of the AFL's knowledge and belief, Thompson and the Essendon FC did not set out to implement a supplements program that would result in players being administered WADA prohibited or harmful substances."
Whether the missing words "to the best of the AFL's knowledge and belief" save Hird from any further charges when ASADA's full report is released is still to be seen, but it seems like a fairly significant concession.
While it may or may not save him from further AFL charges, it certainly protects him if any of the current players choose to seek damages through the courts. But this is the biggest reason why painting Hird as a hero is so shocking.
The simple fact is that his actions have resulted in the club's players being injected with substances that have not been approved for human use, with scant regard for the long-term health implications.
Essendon's reaction at all times has been to try and protect the people responsible for this. Indeed, the day after the AFL penalties were announced Hird received a contract extension so that he could continue coaching until at least the end of 2016.
When David Evans was still at the helm, he genuinely sounded like his No.1 concern was for the health and welfare of the players. That has shifted since Paul Little took over, and it all became about protecting James Hird's legacy. Fortunately, footy fans don't often get taken in by legalese and spin and Hird will forever be remembered as the coach that sullied the sport like no other.
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/painting-hird-a-hero-a-big-mistake/tabid/91/newsid/110858/default.aspx
James who ??
Used to be a coach of an afl side. Like Alan McConnell and Michael Nunan. Except less relevant and much shifiter.
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A footnote in the annuls of historic systematic doping programmes ... like that other guy ... from where he was from ,,, and what was his name ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8e6TrT5Gt4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LazbsbG4ppU
:lol
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Hird would have been blacklisted at Port, says Koch
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-31/hird-wouldve-been-blacklisted
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At least Watson admits the players still have the possibility of infraction notices over their heads. He should remind his Prez and now former coach that fact.
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Is this the same Watson who said the players feel "vindicated" a month ago :sleep
Should lose some weight and ask cot chin for tips and give him the medal instead talking skata
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Big Watto's elite kicking skills back on display. What an absolute plodder now the drugs have worn off. Cooney was a better Brownlow winner. :clapping
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Is hird allowed to go to the club?
He should be barred from windy hill altogether.
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Is hird allowed to go to the club?
He should be barred from windy hill altogether.
And any AFL venues.
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In troubled times, Watson turns turn to the verve:-
All this talk of getting old
It's getting me down James
Like paint sprayed into a glad-bag, waiting to be chromed
That bag is getting owned
And I hope you're thinking of me
As you lay down on your Toorak nape
Now the drugs don't work
They just make you worse
But I know I'll see your face again
Now the drugs don't work
They just make you worse
But I know I'll see your face again
But I know I'm on a losing streak
'Cause I passed down my old street
And if you wanna show, then just let me know
And I'll sing in your ear again
Now the drugs don't work
They just make you worse
But I know I'll see your face again
'Cause baby, ooh, if WADA calls, I'm coming, too
Just like you said, you leave my life, I'm better off dead
(http://www.briggscommunications.com.au/wp-content/uploads/518039-jobe-watson.jpg)
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Is hird allowed to go to the club?
He should be barred from windy hill altogether.
And any AFL venues.
Should have copped 5 years with a suspended sentence. Second time he has brought the game into disrepute.
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Caro didn't hold back on Paul Little and Essendon last night :yep...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_fuI3mTM9A&feature=c4-overview&list=UUJYYPpv-_WUCwMu_4vqzvrA
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long, long time ago
I can still remember how Shane Charters used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make my players dance
And maybe they'd be stronger for a while
But 2013 made me shiver
With every paper that was delivered
Barratt on my doorstep
I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried
When I read about how they proved I lied
But something touched me deep inside
The day my fiction, died
[Chorus]
So bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, and built up our pride
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "No-one will ever know that we lied
No-one will ever know that we lied"
[Verse 1]
Did you write the book of push & shove
And do you have faith in Demetriou above
If the AFL tells you so?
Now do you believe in 9604,
And how drugs save your football soul
And can you teach me how to inject real slow?
Well, you know that I was in love with Dank
Since I saw him injectin’ out the back
We both beefed up our tans
To show off to all our fans
I was a lonely rookie coachin' buck
With a Brownlow medal and a million bucks
But I knew I was out of luck
The day they found I lied
[Chorus]
I started singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but then our hamstrings died
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "Hope they never find out we lied
Hope they never find out we lied"
[Verse 2]
Now for ten games we've been out on our own
With hidden texts on my mobile phone
But that's not how it used to be
When the rumours came that we weren’t clean
When in truth we were as high as James Dean
“But the drugs came from Dank, not me”
And while me, the king, was counting cash
ASADA found my hidden stash
The courtroom was adjourned
Until the ASADA verdict was returned
And while Sam Newman read a book from FARC
The media stakeout in the park
And we injected in the dark
The day our dreams died
[Chorus]
We were singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but no-one knew why
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "Do you think that the media has spied?
Do you think that the media has spied?"
[Verse 3]
Helter skelter in a winter swelter
The wheels fell off in another belter
Eighth place now and falling fast
Another player lying on the grass
A hamstring sprung trying a short pass
Another player on the sidelines in a cast
Now the premiership air is sweet perfume
While Meatloaf sings an awful tune
We’d all love the September dance
Oh, but we’ll never get the chance
'Cause if the players try to take the field
Will ASADA refuse to yield?
Will we ever really know what was revealed
The day my dream died?
[Chorus]
We were singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but then David Evans cried
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "ASADA’s looking and I’d better go hide
ASADA’s looking and I’d better go hide."
Oh, and there we were all in one place
An entire season lost in space
With no chance left to start again
So come on, Jobe be nimble, Jobe be quick
Watson sat “On the Couch” real quick
('Cause Roosy is the Demon’s only friend)
Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in Hell
Could break that Roosy spell
And as the ratings climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Roosy laughing with delight
That’s when, they knew, I lied
[Chorus]
He was singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but our success was a lie
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "Now our premiership dreams are fried
Now our premiership dreams are fried "
I asked my girl who hates the Blues
And I asked her for some happy news
But she just smiled and turned away
I went down to the AFL store
Where they all loved me years before
But the man there said that finals, we wouldn't play
And in Bay 13, the Bombers screamed
The Magpies cried and the Hawks all dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The servers all were broken
And the three men I admire most
The Demetriou, The Dank and the Charters Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day they’d found I’d lied
And they were singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but then our hamstrings died
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "I can’t believe they found out we lied
About ever having seen a peptide”
[Chorus]
They were singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but then our hamstrings died
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "I can’t believe they found out we lied”
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:lol :rollin :lol
That is top shelf comedy gold! :clapping :clapping :clapping
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ESSENDON DOCTOR 'DENIED NATURAL JUSTICE'
Essendon doctor Bruce Reid says he was denied natural justice and an unbiased hearing when charged by the AFL over the club's controversial supplements program.
Dr Reid has taken the league to the Victorian Supreme Court, seeking an independent panel to hear his charge of bringing the sport into disrepute.
Dr Reid's barrister Ross Gillies QC told the court that the AFL Commission had failed in their obligation to give him natural justice and a hearing without bias.
Mr Gillies said the commission was effectively the investigator, prosecutor, judge and jury in the case against Essendon.
"It is conduct which we say is completely inconsistent with their role as independent arbiters," he told the court during a directions hearing on Thursday.
Justice David Beach asked AFL barrister Jeff Gleeson SC why the commission would not simply allow an independent body to hear the case.
Mr Gleeson said the commission took its role of upholding the AFL's rules seriously.
"It is with a heavy heart they feel the obligation of hearing whether there has been any breach of the rules," he said.
"If they jumped at that shadow every time someone made enough noise, they feel they would not be doing their job."
After two days of negotiations, the AFL Commission last month kicked Essendon out of this season's AFL finals, fined the club $2 million and docked them draft picks over their 2012 supplements program.
In addition it suspended coach James Hird for 12 months, banned football manager Danny Corcoran for four months and fined assistant coach Mark Thompson $30,000.
But Dr Reid held out and opted to take his case to court.
Mr Gillies said Essendon's official settlement of the charges with the AFL made it clear that Dr Reid was not involved in the supplements program.
"Essendon Football Club admit to failing to involve any of its key medical staff in its supplements program," he said.
"(Dr Reid's) case is that he was marginalised and that what was happening was going on without his knowledge."
Mr Gillies said the settlement was not fair as it included admissions by the club which were not accepted by Dr Reid.
"It is the equivalent of being led through Federation Square in chains, moaning an apology," he said.
Mr Gleeson said the commission had played no part in the investigation of Essendon.
"The evidence will quite clearly show that the nine commissioners, let alone the sub-committee, had nothing to do with the investigation or the drafting of the charges," he said.
He said Dr Reid had made serious allegations of bias without proof.
"It is not enough to say someone said something to a journalist," he said.
The case will be heard in full on September 19.
Mr Gillies said it would be pointless trying to mediate a settlement in the meantime.
"We have spent days speaking to this organisation fruitlessly," he told the court.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/18791840/essendon-doctor-denied-natural-justice/
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Yes very good y&b. Very clever indeed :clapping
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AFL Players Association says Essendon players could have the option of walking out on the club
Michael Warner
From: Herald Sun
September 06, 2013
ESSENDON players could have the option of walking out of Windy Hill as delisted free agents.
The AFL Players' Association has told the league and player managers that any player who wants to terminate his contract should be allowed to sign with a rival club of his choice.
The status of "delisted free agent" would be open to all Essendon players. A free agent would normally have to serve at least eight seasons on an AFL list.
Under this scenario, players would be free to leave and avoid the lottery of the draft or trade period, without any compensation for the Bombers.
The AFLPA believes Essendon was in breach of its duty of care to its players in 2012 and has fielded inquiries from player managers regarding the rights of Bombers players.
Essendon, which has signed defender Cale Hooker and midfielder Jake Melksham to new deals in recent weeks, is confident it will retain all of its players for next year.
But the option of moving unhindered to another club could be exploited by players and player managers during the October trade and free agency period.
AFLPA chief executive Matt Finnis previously said that Essendon players had genuine claims for breach of contract because of the club's 2012 supplements program.
The AFLPA yesterday confirmed that any Essendon player could seek guidance on his rights from the AFL, but the union was seeking a general ruling for all players.
"Whilst we have met with all player managers involved and had numerous discussions with Essendon players, we are not aware of any particular player who is seeking to go down this path," Finnis said.
"However, from our perspective, the principle is quite straightforward.
"Although the point has clearly been raised in the context of the Essendon situation, the principle is far broader and general in its application.
"That is, any player who validly terminates his contract as a result of a serious breach by his club cannot in good conscience be required to remain on the list of the club following the termination.
"If such a player could only seek re-employment in the industry via the draft or through a trade organised by the club which breached its duties to him in the first place, that would be a ridiculous situation.
"I don't think anyone would say that is fair on the player at all."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-players-association-says-essendon-players-could-have-the-option-of-walking-out-on-the-club/story-fndv8gad-1226712380873#mm-breached
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Essendon braces for Bombers exodus following supplements saga
Grant Baker
From: Herald Sun
September 07, 2013
ESSENDON faces the "dire" prospect of players walking out on the club as the AFL Commission considers a get-out application from the AFL Players' Association.
The AFLPA has written to the league asking it to consider allowing Essendon players to be considered as delisted free agents because, it believes, the club was in breach of its duty of care to players over the 2012 supplements scandal.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said yesterday he understood some Bombers players wanted out and the commission would consider requests.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-braces-for-bombers-exodus-following-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1226713553144
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Have I mentioned that Essendon can ead?
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long, long time ago
I can still remember how Shane Charters used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make my players dance
And maybe they'd be stronger for a while
But 2013 made me shiver
With every paper that was delivered
Barratt on my doorstep
I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried
When I read about how they proved I lied
But something touched me deep inside
The day my fiction, died
[Chorus]
So bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, and built up our pride
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "No-one will ever know that we lied
No-one will ever know that we lied"
[Verse 1]
Did you write the book of push & shove
And do you have faith in Demetriou above
If the AFL tells you so?
Now do you believe in 9604,
And how drugs save your football soul
And can you teach me how to inject real slow?
Well, you know that I was in love with Dank
Since I saw him injectin’ out the back
We both beefed up our tans
To show off to all our fans
I was a lonely rookie coachin' buck
With a Brownlow medal and a million bucks
But I knew I was out of luck
The day they found I lied
[Chorus]
I started singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but then our hamstrings died
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "Hope they never find out we lied
Hope they never find out we lied"
[Verse 2]
Now for ten games we've been out on our own
With hidden texts on my mobile phone
But that's not how it used to be
When the rumours came that we weren’t clean
When in truth we were as high as James Dean
“But the drugs came from Dank, not me”
And while me, the king, was counting cash
ASADA found my hidden stash
The courtroom was adjourned
Until the ASADA verdict was returned
And while Sam Newman read a book from FARC
The media stakeout in the park
And we injected in the dark
The day our dreams died
[Chorus]
We were singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but no-one knew why
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "Do you think that the media has spied?
Do you think that the media has spied?"
[Verse 3]
Helter skelter in a winter swelter
The wheels fell off in another belter
Eighth place now and falling fast
Another player lying on the grass
A hamstring sprung trying a short pass
Another player on the sidelines in a cast
Now the premiership air is sweet perfume
While Meatloaf sings an awful tune
We’d all love the September dance
Oh, but we’ll never get the chance
'Cause if the players try to take the field
Will ASADA refuse to yield?
Will we ever really know what was revealed
The day my dream died?
[Chorus]
We were singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but then David Evans cried
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "ASADA’s looking and I’d better go hide
ASADA’s looking and I’d better go hide."
Oh, and there we were all in one place
An entire season lost in space
With no chance left to start again
So come on, Jobe be nimble, Jobe be quick
Watson sat “On the Couch” real quick
('Cause Roosy is the Demon’s only friend)
Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in Hell
Could break that Roosy spell
And as the ratings climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Roosy laughing with delight
That’s when, they knew, I lied
[Chorus]
He was singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but our success was a lie
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "Now our premiership dreams are fried
Now our premiership dreams are fried "
I asked my girl who hates the Blues
And I asked her for some happy news
But she just smiled and turned away
I went down to the AFL store
Where they all loved me years before
But the man there said that finals, we wouldn't play
And in Bay 13, the Bombers screamed
The Magpies cried and the Hawks all dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The servers all were broken
And the three men I admire most
The Demetriou, The Dank and the Charters Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day they’d found I’d lied
And they were singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but then our hamstrings died
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "I can’t believe they found out we lied
About ever having seen a peptide”
[Chorus]
They were singin' bye-bye, to my Essendon Lie
Took my Bombers to the top, but then our hamstrings died
And my good old boys injectin’ another peptide
Singin' "I can’t believe they found out we lied”
That's brilliant Y&B :clapping :rollin
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Essendon braces for Bombers exodus following supplements saga
Grant Baker
From: Herald Sun
September 07, 2013
ESSENDON faces the "dire" prospect of players walking out on the club as the AFL Commission considers a get-out application from the AFL Players' Association.
The AFLPA has written to the league asking it to consider allowing Essendon players to be considered as delisted free agents because, it believes, the club was in breach of its duty of care to players over the 2012 supplements scandal.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said yesterday he understood some Bombers players wanted out and the commission would consider requests.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-braces-for-bombers-exodus-following-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1226713553144
I'll happily have Zaharakis at Tigerland :yep.
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Essendon braces for Bombers exodus following supplements saga
Grant Baker
From: Herald Sun
September 07, 2013
ESSENDON faces the "dire" prospect of players walking out on the club as the AFL Commission considers a get-out application from the AFL Players' Association.
The AFLPA has written to the league asking it to consider allowing Essendon players to be considered as delisted free agents because, it believes, the club was in breach of its duty of care to players over the 2012 supplements scandal.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said yesterday he understood some Bombers players wanted out and the commission would consider requests.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-braces-for-bombers-exodus-following-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1226713553144
I'll happily have Zaharakis at Tigerland :yep.
He's probably the one bloke outside of Jobe who won't walk out
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Essendon braces for Bombers exodus following supplements saga
Grant Baker
From: Herald Sun
September 07, 2013
ESSENDON faces the "dire" prospect of players walking out on the club as the AFL Commission considers a get-out application from the AFL Players' Association.
The AFLPA has written to the league asking it to consider allowing Essendon players to be considered as delisted free agents because, it believes, the club was in breach of its duty of care to players over the 2012 supplements scandal.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said yesterday he understood some Bombers players wanted out and the commission would consider requests.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-braces-for-bombers-exodus-following-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1226713553144
I'll happily have Zaharakis at Tigerland :yep.
He's probably the one bloke outside of Jobe who won't walk out
True but I said him as he's probably the one that would suit our needs the most.
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Essendon braces for Bombers exodus following supplements saga
Grant Baker
From: Herald Sun
September 07, 2013
ESSENDON faces the "dire" prospect of players walking out on the club as the AFL Commission considers a get-out application from the AFL Players' Association.
The AFLPA has written to the league asking it to consider allowing Essendon players to be considered as delisted free agents because, it believes, the club was in breach of its duty of care to players over the 2012 supplements scandal.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said yesterday he understood some Bombers players wanted out and the commission would consider requests.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-braces-for-bombers-exodus-following-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1226713553144
I'll happily have Zaharakis at Tigerland :yep.
He's probably the one bloke outside of Jobe who won't walk out
True but I said him as he's probably the one that would suit our needs the most.
Vale Hooker signed on for three years this week. :lol :rollin :lol
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AFL Players Association says Essendon players could have the option of walking out on the club
HUN web-site reporting this arvo that Essendon are saying no player has asked or told the Club they want to leave. Bombers list manager reckons he has spoken to every player and every player manager and all have said no players want out
:rollin
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;D
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I'm just soooo happy the bummers got kicked out of the finals........
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I'm just soooo happy the bummers got kicked out of the finals........
hahaha I think now i would've preferred them in.
At least we wouldn't have got embarrassed like we did Sunday
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I'm just soooo happy the bummers got kicked out of the finals........
Yep thinking the same :-\
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:lol Still worth it
Some of you would never be impressed. We lose to them and you'll all be going off your t@s about how unfair it is and they're drug cheats
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Would never have played them
Port would have been our opponent
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Would never have played them
Port would have been our opponent
We wouldn't of finished 5th if they had something to play for
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:lol Still worth it
Some of you would never be impressed. We lose to them and you'll all be going off your t@s about how unfair it is and they're drug cheats
There is a certain irony to some screaming for blood like a vindictive lynch mob, getting their way and the result is we play a scum side that has the wood over us, who should never have been playing finals ...and losing to them.
I suppose it shows that you should be careful what you wish for.
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Yeah its Richmond's fault efc shot up the gear :thumbsup
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good to see you fully get the gist of things
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There is no irony.
Rfc not good enough to beat eighth best non drug cheating team
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Nice one Bents, well said
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:'(
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There is no irony.
Rfc not good enough to beat eighth best non drug cheating team
Carlton = Eighth best non drug team & Second best cheating team in 2013.
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ESSENDON has launched legal action and demanded an apology from Carlton CEO Greg Swann after he labelled the Bombers "cheats".
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...n-ceo-greg-swann/story-fni5f22o-1226718057532
Cheats? Cheats?! How dare you call us drug cheats!
We are only governance issue cheats! Governance. Not drugs. Natural justice. Human rights.
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http://m.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/essendon-launches-legal-action-against-carlton-ceo-greg-swann-after-cheat-jibe/story-e6frf3e3-1226718062381
#STANDBYSWANN
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ESSENDON has launched legal action and demanded an apology from Carlton CEO Greg Swann after he labelled the Bombers "cheats".
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...n-ceo-greg-swann/story-fni5f22o-1226718057532
Cheats? Cheats?! How dare you call us drug cheats!
We are only governance issue cheats! Governance. Not drugs. Natural justice. Human rights.
Both smug clubs caught at one time or another rorting the system so no sympathy for either of them :chuck.
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yet you have been a vocal advocate for us to cheat/rort the system
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yet you have been a vocal advocate for us to cheat/rort the system
:huh3
I've never advocated cheating/rorting. I never said we should break the rules. I said at the time we should've used the stupid draft rules back then to our advantage (ie. by gaining extra priority picks) once it was clear our season was over and we had no chance of making the finals. Not caring about winning when there's nothing left in the season to play for and playing the kids to prepare for the following year isn't cheating. Most clubs in that situation do it. Yep we should be so devastated we got Cotch and Rance for the next decade when instead we could've won a meaningless round 22 game against St Kilda back in 2007 :lol [ps. not saying we tanked that day but as you saying al the Club cheated/rorted the system because Plough didn't make any moves in the last 10 mins once we grabbed the lead before losing it?]
Cheating/rorting is systematically breaking the salary cap rules as Carlton did; cheating/rorting is systematically using drugs that are outside the WADA code and/or not approved by Therapeutic Goods Administration for human use as Essendon did. Breaking the rules is cheating/rorting.
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tanking is deliberately losing. that is cheating/rorting the system.
LOL at the wallace example. its a indictment on the bloke that he would rather risk being labelled a cheat than incompetent.
what about the multitude of other games that he didnt make match winning moves in?
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who says we bent the rules, the afl, you?
your trying to say what we "may have or may have not done" is along the same lines as players getting injected with unknown substances or blues rorting the cap.
Freo they must have cheated too because they rested 12 players. Please your clutching mate, let it go
Leather face was and still is not a bright football mind so doubt even if he wanted to would pull something like that off.
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All the average football supporter wants is to see his/her club have a crack at it week in week out.We want to see 100% effort,we want to see youngsters given a chance and then watch them develop.And it the end we want our club to climb the pinnacle on a solid footing of blood ,sweat and tears.All this other rubbish of tanking,salary cap rorting,use of peptides and other unknown substances is all foreign to us.
As a youngster we were told, head over the ball and at it ...just give us back our game ya Bozzos
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who says we bent the rules, the afl, you?
Good question? who did say that? :huh3
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Is a systematic banned PED injection program equally as 'bad' as tanking or salary cap cheating?
Shoplifting and rape are both crimes. Are they equally bad and should be punished the same?
Do you agree in life there is different severity of wrongs?
If a Palestinian throws a rock is it the same as a Israeli tank shooting?
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fully agree bents, but not sure what the relevance is.
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I was trying convey tanking is a lesser crime to drug cheating (IMO)
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I was trying convey tanking is a lesser crime to drug cheating (IMO)
100% correct
But it seems we are a minority
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:lol
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yet you have been a vocal advocate for us to cheat/rort the system
:huh3
I've never advocated cheating/rorting. I never said we should break the rules. I said at the time we should've used the stupid draft rules back then to our advantage (ie. by gaining extra priority picks) once it was clear our season was over and we had no chance of making the finals. Not caring about winning when there's nothing left in the season to play for and playing the kids to prepare for the following year isn't cheating. Most clubs in that situation do it. Yep we should be so devastated we got Cotch and Rance for the next decade when instead we could've won a meaningless round 22 game against St Kilda back in 2007 :lol [ps. not saying we tanked that day but as you saying al the Club cheated/rorted the system because Plough didn't make any moves in the last 10 mins once we grabbed the lead before losing it?]
Cheating/rorting is systematically breaking the salary cap rules as Carlton did; cheating/rorting is systematically using drugs that are outside the WADA code and/or not approved by Therapeutic Goods Administration for human use as Essendon did. Breaking the rules is cheating/rorting.
P-poor attempt at justifiying your postion MT. Cheating is cheating is cheating is cheating. We chose not to take the path you advocated and thank f*** we didn't.
Karma is a serious bitch - thats's what I know and that's what I base my life-term observations on.
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Is a systematic banned PED injection program equally as 'bad' as tanking or salary cap cheating?
Shoplifting and rape are both crimes. Are they equally bad and should be punished the same?
Do you agree in life there is different severity of wrongs?
If a Palestinian throws a rock is it the same as a Israeli tank shooting?
Yep, nup, yep, nup and get embrace reality, not the the emotion.
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AFL have withdrawn all charges against Doc Reid ;D
no surprise, AFL punished the one that really matters :rollin
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Is this still going
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Baker and McKenzie deliver once again with their perfect timing of reality whenever Essendon try to protray themselves as victims ;D.
Heart tests worried Dons
Richard Baker and Nick McKenzie
The Age
September 19, 2013
Ten months after Essendon doctor Bruce Reid wrote to James Hird to express concern about player injections, the club's medical staff again complained in writing of ''picking up the pieces of something that was running out of control''.
The reference to ''picking up the pieces'' was made by Dr Reid's fellow club doctor Brendan De Morton in an October 2012 email to Essendon's then high-performance boss Dean Robinson, after the doctors learnt the football department was considering billing Medicare for nearly 100 heart diagnostic checks on players that cost almost $10,000.
In an episode yet to be made public, internal emails show that Dr Reid - who on Wednesday had charges over his role in Essendon's supplements program withdrawn by the AFL - and Dr De Morton were unaware of the extent of the heart diagnostic checks and believed that billing Medicare would trigger a fraud investigation.
It is believed the heart checks were done in part to meet AFL player health requirements but also to measure the efficacy of the supplements program.
Fairfax Media can also reveal that Sydney doctors Ijaz Khan and Tej Preet Dugal provided sports scientist Stephen Dank with pathology forms that were used to order blood tests on Essendon players they had not personally consulted. Two Sydney diagnostic clinics associated with Dank's Bondi Medical Rejuvenation Clinic and online peptide business provided the blood test results.
Dr Khan is alleged to have injected the WADA-banned drug CJC1295 into NRL player Sandor Earl, an act that has earned the player a 12-month suspension for doping. Dr Khan and Dr Dugal did not return calls.
The emergence of emails showing that Essendon's doctors were not aware of the extent of the heart tests or of the presence at the club of blank pathology forms linked to Sydney doctors raises further questions about the extent to which Dr Reid and Dr De Morton were sidelined from the supplements program.
Both doctors were meant to have far greater input after Dr Reid wrote a scathing letter to Hird and former football manager Paul Hamilton in January last year questioning the ethics and benefits of the supplements program.
The matter of the heart diagnostic checks blew up internally at Essendon in October last year when cardiologist and equine heart specialist Adam Gay sent an invoice for almost $10,000 for 46 electrocardiograms and 44 echocardiograms on players. Dr Gay, who declined to comment, brought a portable device to Windy Hill to do the tests. It is believed Dr Gay had appropriate referrals.
On October 10, Essendon football boss Danny Corcoran emailed Robinson asking if he knew anything about Dr Gay's invoice, saying: ''Danksy [Dank] said there was no cost for this service!!''
Corcoran was alerted to the bill by Essendon list manager Adrian Dodoro in an email that stated: ''Dan don't have a heart attack! Danksy strikes again!!''
Dank has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing at Essendon and at several NRL clubs at which he has worked.
When told of the football department's plan to recover the cost of the heart checks through Medicare, Dr De Morton warned that any attempt to do so would result in an investigation by the Commonwealth health insurer and added that ''we [Bruce and I] need to take control back of these areas''.
''No discussion re any of this occurred prior to the ECGs (Echos) going ahead,'' Dr De Morton wrote in an October 16 email to Robinson.
''I understood there was some 'special arrangement' and both Bruce and I had made it clear to SD [Dank] that this was considered screening and we would be investigated by Medicare if we even considered ordering 46 ECGs (let alone, as it turned out, 44 Echos as well).
''I feel yet again like we are picking up the pieces of something that was running out of control but under the guise of lots of reassurance that everything was taken care of.''
In response, Robinson wrote an email expressing regret at how things had turned out, telling Dr De Morton that he had thought the club would not be billed for the heart checks.
Emails also show Essendon was also billed $15,000 by cosmetic doctor Paul Spano, whose clinic across the road from Windy Hill was used to deliver supplements intravenously to players.
Other emails show the owner of a South Yarra clinic where Essendon footballers were injected with a host of substances, including a mysterious Mexican supplement sourced by a muscular dystrophy patient, was discussing a business venture with the foreign supplier of an anti-dementia drug made from pig's brain extracts that was also given to players.
The Australian Health Practitioners Regulation Agency is examining the actions of up to five doctors associated with Dank after a referral from the Australian Crime Commission. Medicare is also investigating allegations of medical fraud related to the Essendon program. Neither Dr Reid nor Dr De Morton is a subject of either investigation and Fairfax Media does not suggest either has acted improperly.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/heart-tests-worried-dons-20130918-2tzu5.html#ixzz2fGaWeYXs
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YESSSS the big man Boomer!
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/harvey-in-running-to-coach-dons-20130918-2tzwu.html
:clapping
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Here it comes...
ASADA ready with lifetime sport bans
Jacquelin Magnay | The Australian |
September 19, 2013
THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is preparing a slew of infraction notices against Essendon players and club officials that could result in lifetime bans from all sport. Essendon coach James Hird, people and development manager Danny Corcoran, former high-performance manager Dean Robinson and sports scientist Stephen Dank, as well as players involved in the injecting scene, are all in ASADA's sights.
However, club doctor Bruce Reid, who raised questions about the supplements program, is likely to avoid an infraction notice, sources have indicated to The Australian.
Details of ASADA's continued pursuit of Essendon emerged as the AFL yesterday withdrew serious allegations against Dr Reid of bringing the game into disrepute .The development validated a report in The Australian last week that the AFL commission would not proceed with charges against the doctor. -
See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/asada-ready-with-lifetime-sport-bans/story-fnca0u4y-1226722374126#sthash.69v2LU6e.dpuf
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:bow
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I pray that if there is a God, please whack them with your biggest stick. :pray :pray :pray
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Patience
It's always been about patience ;D
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EFC flog ringing up SEN
"ASADA should get a life"
:rollin :rollin
Burnside telling the ABC if it went to court hird would have won the case
:rollin :rollin
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-supplements-saga-appears-far-from-over-20130919-2u0qv.html
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It's nearly time for that day off work, slab of beer and listening to flogs call up SEN. :clapping
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Efc just issued media statement
Lol lol and lol
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And here it is
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Club Statement
By Staff Writers
1:58pm AEST Thursday, September 19, 2013
Essendon Football Club would like to make the following statement in response to an article in The Australian newspaper today which referenced ASADA’s investigation of the club.
Interim CEO Ray Gunston said “The club understands that there is no factual basis to the story in relation to the issuing of infraction notices at this point in time.”
Due to the ongoing nature of the ASADA investigation the club will not be making any further comment
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2013-09-19/club-statement
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That's it
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Who knows they might be right and the article may be just BS
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they are right. The english language is a peculiar thing, but people should take more heed of what is actually written than what they thing is being said.
"The club understands that there is no factual basis to the story in relation to the issuing of infraction notices at this point in time"
Until ASADA officially informs the club, that statement is 100% correct.
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they are right. The english language is a peculiar thing, but people should take more heed of what is actually written than what they thing is being said.
"The club understands that there is no factual basis to the story in relation to the issuing of infraction notices at this point in time"
Until ASADA officially informs the club, that statement is 100% correct.
:thumbsup
I tell my students to RTFQ all the time.
:lol
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What do you tell them about he term natural justice?
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What do you tell them about he term natural justice?
I teach a computer based subject.
Natural Justice is not a part of the course.
:cheers
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Here it comes...
ASADA ready with lifetime sport bans
Jacquelin Magnay | The Australian |
September 19, 2013
THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is preparing a slew of infraction notices against Essendon players and club officials that could result in lifetime bans from all sport. Essendon coach James Hird, people and development manager Danny Corcoran, former high-performance manager Dean Robinson and sports scientist Stephen Dank, as well as players involved in the injecting scene, are all in ASADA's sights.
However, club doctor Bruce Reid, who raised questions about the supplements program, is likely to avoid an infraction notice, sources have indicated to The Australian.
Details of ASADA's continued pursuit of Essendon emerged as the AFL yesterday withdrew serious allegations against Dr Reid of bringing the game into disrepute .The development validated a report in The Australian last week that the AFL commission would not proceed with charges against the doctor. -
See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/asada-ready-with-lifetime-sport-bans/story-fnca0u4y-1226722374126#sthash.69v2LU6e.dpuf
Jacqueline Magnay is a gun journo and knows her stuff on this topic. Has links to the right people.
Amongst other credits, she won a Walkley award in 2004 for her articles on drug use by Australian Institute of Sport cyclists.
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Hahaha where the AFL didn't go hard enough ASADA will.
There goes that very little chance they could trade for early picks.
Couldn't happen to a more better group of malakes. :lol :rollin :lol
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Sandor Earl, the NRL player who received an infraction notice for use and distribution of CJC1295 has opened up and said Stephen Dank told him that he had used this banned substance at other sporting clubs.
https://www.facebook.com/TheZanottiFiles
FOX SPORTS News @FOXSportsNews twitter:
Sandor Earl says Dank had used CJC1295 at previous clubs #SandorSpeaks
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Bombers call for donations
Jon Pierik
The Age
September 27, 2013 - 7:09PM
As it deals with being in debt for the first time in its history, Essendon has been forced to seek added financial help from supporters through its membership program to help fund its new training facility.
Bombers chairman Paul Little has written to members this week, declaring the club wanted to get back in the black as soon as possible.
It’s understood the Bombers have debts of more than $7million, with $5million linked to the new training facility at Tullamarine. The balance is related to fines and legal fees from the supplements scandal, although Little stressed member donations would not be used to recoup those costs.
‘‘The club has always expected to go into debt as a result of the investment into the project and that is indeed where we now find ourselves for the first time in our history,’’ Little said.
‘‘I want to make one final thing clear – this donation will go towards our new facility only. We will not be asking our members to put any money towards the fine we recently received from the AFL. If you choose to donate towards our new facility, it will be an investment towards the future of our club.’’
Thousands of members have already contributed in recent years to the project, but that donations are now being linked to membership renewals highlights the club’s tough financial predicament.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-call-for-donations-20130927-2ujnx.html#ixzz2g5tvSDVs
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He paused before continuing.
"But the funds that were otherwise to cater to the development of the new Facility", were unfortunately diverted to invest in both our legal fees thus far incurred as a result of our involvement in illegal drug investigations and paying our debts to our suppliers"
In closing he said, "if you believe our story so far, you'll pay anything"
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:lol
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Former Essendon star Anthony Daniher, the father of teenage Bombers player Joe Daniher, has criticised banned coach James Hird for ''having the head in the sand'' amid the club's supplements scandal.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/danihers-critical-of-hirds-role-20130927-2ujt8.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/danihers-critical-of-hirds-role-20130927-2ujt8.html)
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According to Terry Daniher at a sportsman's night last night, Essendon will have at least 6 players banned. He's peeed at what took place at the club, and thinks that it will all come out very
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/essendon-asada-prepares-infraction-notices-life-bans-australian-19th-sep.1032865/page-65
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/hirdys-tell-all-interview.1035089/
According to the Ox will be sometime later this week in the paper.
Robbo interviewing?
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Love how the forums are drumming it up as a "TELL ALL" Interview.
Since when has perpetuating lies and refusing to take responsibility for at least his role in the scandal become anything other than the norm with this guy.
He's a worm and the longer he's away, the angrier i get with the whole thing.
This dog cant be allowed back to coach, SURELY?!
I pray asada biscuits and/or WADA have the final ruling up their sleeve.....
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Even ifASADA shyte them selfs I doubt wada will accept drug cheating
If they are not scared of lance Armstrong in doubt they will be scared by a pack of bleaters from airport west
For an organization based in Canada etc are literally the backwater of he sporting world
More so. I cannot Invision a situation where the AFL remove wada. For the league to crap on about integrity and then to dismiss the drug organization the first time a major incident of drug cheating takes place, would be the ultimate joke and the death nail of creditably
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SUSPENDED Essendon coach James Hird is considering legal action against the AFL after its chief executive, Andrew Demetriou, claimed that Hird had pleaded guilty to a reduced charge in the Essendon supplements saga.
Hird's lawyer, Steven Amendola, yesterday denied his client had pleaded guilty to any charge over Essendon's controversial supplements program, saying the AFL had withdrawn all charges against Hird under the deeds of settlement that he and the club signed with the AFL.
Mr Amendola said Hird had been charged under the AFL's code of conduct, rule 1.6, for bringing the game into disrepute.
"Once the deed was signed, there was no charge - that had been withdrawn," Mr Amendola said.
He said Mr Demetriou's comments on Fox Footy's Open Mike last Friday had amounted to a breach of a non-disparagement clause in the deeds.
"We are considering our position and don't rule out reinstating the legal action," he said.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...y-fnca0u4y-1226731908835#sthash.FqJROT0q.dpuf
James Hird
The AFL and James Hird agree that in 2011/2012 EFC implemented, while Hird was Senior Coach of the club, the Program, which was inadequately vetted and controlled.
It is agreed by the AFL and James Hird that:
- he contributed to the Essendon FC’s failure to take sufficient steps to ensure the health, welfare and safety of players in relation to the Program;
- when he became aware of facts that suggested that unsatisfactory practices were occurring, the action he took was not sufficient to stop those practices;
- he did not take sufficient steps to avoid there being a risk that players may have been administered substances that were prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code, and any such risk is an unacceptable risk;
- as Senior Coach, he shares responsibility for the inadequate governance within EFC’s football department,
and in consequence, Hird accepts that the Essendon FC breached Rule 1.6 of the AFL Player Rules.
Sanction
By reason of the matters referred to above:
the AFL will impose a 12 month suspension from the AFL effective from 25 August 2013;
James Hird will not work with any AFL Club in any capacity during this period; and
James Hird accepts this suspension.
The AFL and James Hird consider that the best interests of the game and its supporters are served by a resolution of this matter now given James Hird’s willingness to resolve the matter.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-27/list-of-charges-against-essendon-and-its-officials
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obert anderson @DonsB01
3h
BTV: Trade Update - 23 Oct via @Essendon_FC Just heard Caroline Wilson tell Rowey & Bones on 5aa that ASADA IS GOING TO HIT Ess WITH A BOMB?
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nice Bents
is that a BF rumour though
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WADA ! :clapping
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Patrick smith seems to be hinting that bumbers will be receiving infraction notices and before 2014 season
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James Hird might still be targeted by ASADA
Jon Pierik
The Age
November 10, 2013
Former anti-doping chief Richard Ings maintains Essendon players will be issued with infraction notices, with James Hird's return as senior coach next year still attracting the attention of sports authorities.
As World Anti-Doping Agency chief John Fahey prepares to unveil a series of changes to the anti-doping code that would result in the AFL being forced to act against coaches and support staff who use substances that are banned for their players, he has spoken about the Essendon peptides saga, which has a ''few chapters'' to play out.
Hird was banned by the AFL for a year in August as part of a series of penalties handed to the Bombers and individual staff after the club pleaded guilty to bringing the game into disrepute. But an investigation by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, which could yet conclude with infraction notices issued to players, continues.
In an interview on the ABC, Fahey, asked to comment about Hird being welcomed back by the Bombers after the 2014 season, replied: ''I don't know whether James Hird will be dealt with by ASADA. That's possible, before it's all over. So, again, what has happened in Essendon, or to Essendon, has been dealt with by the AFL under their rules. Nothing to do with ASADA's code or the rules I am responsible for as president of that body.
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''So, I have got to hold my fire until we are finished, until ASADA, a constituent member of WADA, concludes its inquiries and deals with the case in accordance with the code, and that may be some time yet.''
There were claims this year Hird and members of his coaching staff were injected with the drug Hexarelin, a substance that is banned for players. Hird denied the claims.
Under the current WADA code, it is not an offence for a coach to use drugs for personal use.
The proposed tough new rules, to be tabled at WADA's world conference in Johannesburg this week, would cover coaches, trainers and other support staff with a duty of care. But the length of penalties, and whether the ruling would be backdated, is unclear.
''One of the good things in the review and the changes that are coming is that it extends much further out to athlete support personnel that could include doctors, certainly coaches,'' Fahey said. ''It may include physiotherapists, it could include agents, it could include, in some cases, parents because all of those can sometimes have an influence on whether an athlete cheats or doesn't.''
That Essendon is yet to know some nine months after the scandal broke whether its players have been cleared or face sanctions of up to two years has frustrated many in the football world.
There have been reports six players will be handed infraction notices, while it's unclear whether Stephen Dank, the former club sports scientist at the centre of the program, will be interviewed under ASADA's new coercive powers.
''I believe there will be infractions. How many is a guess,'' Ings, the former ASADA chief, said on Saturday.
The AFL, however, still believes Essendon will not receive infraction notices, although deputy chief executive Gillon McLachlan recently said ''we cannot ever rule it out''.
On the overall process ASADA has adopted while tackling the Bombers, Fahey said: ''I think we have got a few chapters to read in this one before it is finished. I will do my best to be patient along with everybody else.
''It's still to play out. That's as much as I can say, and the detail I just don't know.''
Mark Thompson, who was fined $30,000 for his role in the supplements program, will coach the Bombers next season. Hird's suspension officially expires on August 25.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-might-still-be-targeted-by-asada-20131109-2x8wb.html#ixzz2kAOvGBCP
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By the time ASADA gets around to laying these infraction notices, the players in question will be retired from footy and drawing an old-age pension :(
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You are probably right Rolls...didn't it take WADA or whoever like over a decade to finally nail Armstrong
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By the time ASADA gets around to laying these infraction notices, the players in question will be retired from footy and drawing an old-age pension :(
I dont see the rush.
WADA step in and ass smeg Essendon a week or two before round 1. Is ok by me.
Slow justice > no justice.
That said if the long term outcome is nothing i will lose all faith in football and humanity and dare I saw go on a rampage
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-chairman-paul-little-confident-bombers-will-avoid-infraction-notices/story-fni5ezdm-1226758979545
This flog is prob right. Bents unfortunately u and I both know they are going to cop SFA
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-chairman-paul-little-confident-bombers-will-avoid-infraction-notices/story-fni5ezdm-1226758979545
This flog is prob right. Bents unfortunately u and I both know they are going to cop SFA
But this the same bloke who said Bombers would take the AFL to court blah, blah blah, etc
He hasn't got a clue what may happen in the future. WADA the highest body is watching and ready ;D
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Personally I find it hard to put any stock in the hearld sun football writers
Monkeys
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Essendon Bombers - The Age
m.theage.com.au › Sport › Real Footy
11 hours ago - JON PIERIK Former anti-doping chief Richard Ings maintains Essendon players will be issued with infraction notices, ...
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AFL's behind-the-scenes tactics in Essendon punishment talks exposed
Michael Warner and Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
December 03, 2013 9:00PM
SECRET documents and a bombshell email have lifted the lid on behind-the-scenes inducements offered to Essendon and James Hird as the AFL worked frantically to pressure him to accept drugs scandal penalties.
The Herald Sun can reveal that days before the August 26-27 AFL Commission hearing was due to consider penalties, deals were being proposed by Australia's top government-appointed sports official, John Wylie.
A document emailed by Wylie to Essendon chairman Paul Little on the night of August 23 outlined potential settlement terms as the crisis threatened to spill into the Supreme Court.
Wylie, the Australian Sports Commission chairman, suggests: "Hird as senior coach takes responsibility for the inadequate governance and oversight within the club's football department that gave rise to this situation.
"It is however acknowledged …. to the best of the AFL's knowledge and belief, Hird did not promote or encourage an unethical environment within the club; Hird has not brought the game into disrepute.
"In the totality of the circumstances, the AFL will impose, and Hird will accept, a 12-month suspension from all coaching duties."
In a separate document presented to Hird on August 23, amid negotiations between Wylie and Little, the Essendon coach is offered "an outstanding career development opportunity" in return for dropping his legal action against the AFL.
Offers of "no player sanctions'' and "no double jeopardy'' despite an ASADA investigation are discussed.
Wylie said last night: "I was requested by both Paul Little and (AFL Commission chairman) Mike Fitzpatrick, in the first instance by Paul, to assist in communications between the AFL and Essendon at a time when direct communication between them was difficult."
League spokesman James Tonkin said last night: "Numerous discussions took place at different levels in a bid to resolve the matter as quickly and appropriately as possible."
An offer to allow Hird to receive a full salary while serving a 12-month ban was also discussed.
The document presented to the Essendon coach reads: "Charge of bringing game into disrepute dropped. 12 months suspension starting now.''
It states Hird could also keep his place in the AFL Hall of Fame and be "acknowledged by the AFL as a legend of the game".
In exchange for the offers, the document says Hird therefore "withdraws all legal action immediately".
A string of revelations to be published in the Herald Sun and The Australian over the coming days raises major perception issues surrounding the integrity and the outcome of both the drugs probe and the AFL Commission hearing.
AFL chief Andrew Demetriou said on August 7: "To suggest the AFL Commission and the people on the commission would somehow predetermine an outcome is offensive and just plain wrong."
Essendon chairman Paul Little says outgoing coach James Hird accepted the penalties for the good of the club.
It is not known if all AFL commissioners were aware of Wylie's involvement or of proposed inducements at the time they were asked to sign off on the final resolution against Essendon and its four officials on August 27.
Little last night confirmed the talks with Wylie. He said: ``John Wylie is a longstanding personal friend and we discussed possible strategies for settling the dispute.''
Hird is understood to have rebuffed the inducements put on the table on August 23, only to accept a 12-month suspension four days later under fierce pressure and fearing that he would be banished from the game and his club.
There were also discussions about sending Hird to Oxford University in England, where both Wylie and Fitzpatrick are Rhodes scholars.
Hird later independently applied to attend the exclusive Fontainebleau business school in France, passing an entrance exam in Singapore. He has just returned from his $120,000 MBA studies.
Sources have questioned why Wylie as chairman of the Sports Commission - which works with the Australian Sports and Anti-Doping Authority to fight drug cheating and which promotes integrity in sport - was drafted into pre-hearing bartering with the approval of AFL Commission chairman Fitzpatrick.
Proposed penalties for Mark Thompson, Bruce Reid and Danny Corcoran are also stated in correspondence, with Thompson cleared to coach again in 2014.
A club fine of $1.5 million and the deduction of 12 premiership points "so as to miss the finals" are also documented. The club was ultimately fined $2 million and relegated to ninth on the AFL ladder.
Hird and Fitzpatrick did not return questions from the Herald Sun.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afls-behindthescenes-tactics-in-essendon-punishment-talks-exposed/story-fndv8gad-1226774538768#mm-breached
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Essendon bombshell: How key figures responded to Herald Sun questions
Staff writers
From: Herald Sun
December 03, 2013 9:00PM
WHAT the AFL, Paul Little and John Wylie told the Herald Sun about the latest revelations in the Essendon supplements saga.
THE AFL
Numerous discussions took place at different levels in a bid to resolve the matter as quickly and appropriately as possible. These discussions were in good faith, in the best interests of our game, were always appropriate and assisted in achieving the resolution.
The sanctions imposed on the Essendon FC and various individuals were the toughest in the history of Australian football and reflected the seriousness of the matters dealt with. Penalties included exclusion of the club from the 2013 finals and a 12-month suspension for coach James Hird.
PAUL LITTLE
John Wylie is a longstanding personal friend and we simply discussed possible strategies for settling the dispute.
John Wylie had no dialogue with James Hird at any stage.
Myself and Andrew Demetriou weren't in discussion at any stage before or during the hearing as it was thought by both parties that it would be inappropriate.
I have no knowledge about what was discussed with commissioners in relation to James Hird prior to the hearing on 26-27 August.
I don't understand the questions as the Essendon Football Club certainly took the proceedings on 26-27 August very seriously.
JOHN WYLIE
I was requested by both Paul Little and Mike Fitzpatrick, in the first instance by Paul, to assist in communications between the AFL and Essendon at a time when direct communication between them was difficult. This is already a matter of public record. I did so as a longstanding friend of both Mike and Paul, not as a representative of any organisation, to see if would be possible for them reach a resolution consistent with the best interests of the sport and the principle of integrity in sport. Agreements between the AFL and Essendon were negotiated ultimately directly between those organisations and are entirely a matter for them. Agreements which Essendon have with any of its employees are entirely a matter for Essendon.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-bombshell-how-key-figures-responded-to-herald-sun-questions/story-fnelctok-1226774541991#mm-breached
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A nothing story just so Robbo and the other Essendon sycophants at the Herald-Sun can have a whinge about the AFL punishing their beloved Bombers and barring them from the finals :sleep. If the Bombers weren't a dodgy shambles of an organisation living in denial and that put themselves for the whole season above all the other clubs what was in the best interests of the game, then the whole drug probe issue at Windy Hill would've been put to bed much earlier and without the need for this sort of conflict resolution behind closed doors.
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A nothing story just so Robbo and the other Essendon sycophants at the Herald-Sun can have a whinge about the AFL punishing their beloved Bombers and barring them from the finals :sleep. If the Bombers weren't a dodgy shambles of an organisation living in denial and that put themselves for the whole season above all the other clubs what was in the best interests of the game, then the whole drug probe issue at Windy Hill would've been put to bed much earlier and without the need for this sort of conflict resolution behind closed doors.
Agree
For Robbo and his co-horts to suggest that there was some sort of massive cover-up and it's some sort of surprise and that there "secret" backroom deals going on so this saga didn't end up in the courts is laughable
There is nothing in this story that tells us what we already didn't know and that is the AFL & EFC did a deal to avoid court
Anyone who is shocked by it is either completely naive or just plan stupid
In Robbo's case I'll go with the later ;D
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It still beats me why the AFL felt they had to negotiate with Essendon and Hird over any penalties they sought to impose. Was Justin Charles offered this kind of leeway? It should have been a simple case of: "here's what you did, this is the penalty, if you want to play hardball with us over it in the Supreme Court then we'll simply revoke your licence and kick you out of the League." End of story. And for the 1,000th time, when are ASADA or WADA going to pull their collective finger out and start imposing bans on the individual players involved in drug cheating?
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It still beats me why the AFL felt they had to negotiate with Essendon and Hird over any penalties they sought to impose. Was Justin Charles offered this kind of leeway? It should have been a simple case of: "here's what you did, this is the penalty, if you want to play hardball with us over it in the Supreme Court then we'll simply revoke your licence and kick you out of the League." End of story. And for the 1,000th time, when are ASADA or WADA going to pull their collective finger out and start imposing bans on the individual players involved in drug cheating?
They are patiently waiting for this to die off!
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Please WADA :pray
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Not sure how this is any vindication for Essendon at all. Rather a huge blow to the integrity of the AFL. Really is time for some fresh faces at AFL house.
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Not sure how this is any vindication for Essendon at all.
The delusion is amazing
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Sunrise saying Herald Sun reporting Essendon still paying Turd?
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Third party is footing the bill.
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:facepalm
AFL donn't want to lose money -
so they find what they can to cover up systematic drug cheating
Essen Don - haha, vindication
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Krafty as an arsehouse dairy rat
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Lol
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she ugly
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Don't worry money. Your money's happiness is all that monies.
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AFL suspends payments to Essendon over Hird 'pay'
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
December 12, 2013 1:21 PM
THE AFL has suspended its regular payments to Essendon until the club clarifies whether it is paying banned coach James Hird.
The League will withhold the monthly payments after writing to the Bombers last week and again on Monday concerning the pay situation around Hird.
Click here for the full coverage of the Essendon supplements scandal
It said in a statement on Thursday that there was "a clear intention" when Hird was penalised in August over Essendon's supplements program that he could not be paid by the Bombers or work in any way for the club.
"Since September, the AFL has been in consultation with the Essendon FC concerning the terms of James Hird's suspension, including the fact he cannot be paid by the club for a period of 12 months," chief executive Andrew Demetriou said in the statement.
The club has also been notified if it "continues not to comply" with the terms of the suspension then it will have to appear before the AFL Commission in Melbourne next week.
The club is yet to reply to the AFL's letter and until it does will not receive money from head office.
In a statement on its website on Thursday afternoon, Essendon said "Essendon Football Club has been in regular contact with the AFL about the terms of James Hird's suspension.
"The club will respond to the AFL's statement relating to this matter in due course and will not be making any further comment until that time."
Demetriou recently strongly denied Hird was being paid by the Bombers or AFL, but since then Tania Hird has claimed her husband is still being paid as part of the accepted sanction.
On Wednesday, she told News Corp that her husband agreed to a sanction with pay in lieu of taking the AFL to court.
"Of course he's being paid, that was the deal," Mrs Hird said.
"Andrew Demetriou knew it, the AFL knew it."
Mrs Hird also accused the AFL of "threatening" her husband and the Bombers and wanted the governing body to "stop distorting the truth".
Demetriou said he thought the pay situation had been resolved when he said recently that Hird was not being remunerated.
"The public statements from the AFL, from myself as CEO over the last week, were in the belief that Essendon had concluded its payment arrangements and begun the suspension period. The AFL has since sought confirmation and is yet to receive it," he said.
Hird's punishment was part of the club's penalties, which included a $2 million fine and being banned from this year's finals, for its controversial 2012 supplements program.
The AFL's total distribution of funds to Essendon in 2012 was $11.98 million.
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Le chip on the radio
"Afl are threatening efc with player infractions if they don't stop paying third"
Wtf :huh
How are the two linked
The corruption stinks
Come on wada shyte on these clowns :pray
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Wada got nada.
This pr 101
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Cleft lip
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Bomber fans still as delusional as ever on the radio and on Bomberblitz. A caller to SEN this arvo compared Hird to Nelson Mandela :stupid :rollin.
http://bomberblitz.com/forums/index.php?/topic/713-the-media-clowns-are-at-it-again/page-97
As for Tania Hird's interview, it's just more of the same 'in denial' crap that we've seen out of Essendon all year ::). Portraying themselves as "victims" when it's their club including Hird that got themselves in this mess - no one else forced them to use dodgy "supplements" including taking some substance from Mexico left in a doctor's waiting room; no one else told them to conveniently not keep records of what their players were given; no one else told them to hire Dank in the first place; no one else told Watson to go on Fox Footy and say he was givem AOD-9604; no one else sacked their CEO, their footy dept. head and made their president resign; no one else dragged the whole competition through the mud for the whole season and stuck their noses up at the other 17 other clubs; no one else forced Essendon to have this cult mentality surrounding Hird which puts one individual above the whole club; no one else promised Hird his job was there waiting for him in 12 months time despite what went on when he was senior coach ..... this list goes on and on and on. Perhaps Tania you should turn off the crocodile tears and point the finger as your husband's dodgy incompetent club that still won't/can't explain what substances were exactly given to the players.
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Fortunately there were some folks that give jimmy & Tania some whacks ;D
One bombers supporter in particular said he gone from defending to him to now being disgusted by him because he continues to out himself ahead of the club. :clapping
And for Tania to carry on about the AFL trying to protect their brand,well hello ...pot, kettle, black
That's exactly what she and her husband have been doing through this whole pathetic saga
I wonder if Tania would have a different view of things if it was her kids that had been given unknown supplements that could be PEDs. No doubt she'd be in court that quickly we wouldn't have time to say ASADA let alone Essendon
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compared Hird to Nelson Mandela
and yet apparently its not a delusional cult :whistle
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ASADA has enough evidence on Essendon now to decide to issue infraction notices and is merely waiting to see if there is any cross-fertilisation with evidence from the NRL enquiry.
It would seem Smith and Grant are doing the same with the ASADA information.
As one leading Melbourne-based media figure said recently, comparing the AFL's rushed and compromised treatment of Essendon with a code he sneeringly perceives to be inferior, "Maybe the dopey NRL got it right."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/nrl-on-right-track-as-afls-efforts-bomb-20131211-2z659.html#ixzz2nGE8KmmN
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Hird: the main game is still in play
Jon Pierik
The Age
December 13, 2013
When it's all said and done, the bickering over how James Hird gets his money out of Essendon is largely irrelevent. The potential for infraction notices is still the main game.
The arguments between the Hird camp and the AFL over whether the investigation into the Essendon supplements scandal has been compromised, and whether the processes and tactics employed by the league and its chief executive were fair to the Essendon hierarchy are intruiging, but pale compared to the reality of what happened at Essendon last year.
ASADA is close to completing its investigation into the NRL's Cronulla Sharks, with veteran Sydney Morning Herald journalist Roy Masters suggesting suspensions will be announced in February. Masters also reported on Wednesday that ''ASADA has enough evidence on Essendon now to decide to issue infraction notices and is merely waiting to see if there is any cross-fertilisation with evidence from the NRL inquiry''.
Cross-fertilisation would appear to involve Stephen Dank, the former biochemist involved in the contentious supplements programs at each club. Dank has publicly maintained he won't submit to ASADA's new powers compelling him to be interviewed, but it is believed his stand may be softening. It would come as no surprise if Dank and ASADA met early in the new year.
It should be noted that Sharks' program lasted only two to three weeks and infraction notices seem a formality. Essendon's program ran from late 2011 through to August in 2012.
None of the wrangling between the Hird camp and the AFL changes the accepted scenario of a ''pharmacologically experimental environment'' in which several young, fit players were injected multiple times with a selection of questionable substances. ASADA's damning interim report, and Essendon's internal report by Ziggy Switkowski - which many of Hird's supporters seem to have forgetten - suggest the players Essendon players will struggle to escape penalty, despite the AFL's confidence that they will.
The fall-out from player suspensions will be far greater than anything we have seen so far. It would irrevocably taint the season and devastate the club. One player agent says he has a group of players ready to launch a class action against Essendon, and possibly Hird, should infraction notices be issued.
It will also be at that moment the deal for Hird to return to the senior role late next year would crumble. He could not possibly return under those circumstances.
Indeed, the game the Hird camp, including wife Tania, are now playing is dangerous enough. If the Bombers are paying Hird $1 million a season for essentially doing nothing, that's their prerogative. That there appears to be no formal paperwork decreeing he could not be paid is embarrassing for the AFL. But Hird has taken this and dramatically raised the stakes to portray what he feels has been an injustice and a belief he was railroaded into accepting an unwarranted suspension.
He has also used it to suggest the AFL's investigation was compromised. Again, that's his prerogative. But how is this really showing remorse for the supplements program that already has claimed former chairman David Evans and chief executive Ian Robson? How is this really helping the Essendon board endorse his return to the senior role and rubber-stamp his two-year contract extension?
The AFL's insistence on a joint investigation with ASADA has certainly not been the huge success the AFL suggested it was.
It did give each party greater powers and access to information that wouldn't have otherwise been available had they gone at it alone, but it has come at a cost in terms of public perception and has potentially compromised independence.
The interim report, that ASADA was pressured into delivering essentially so the AFL could protect its brand and integrity by eliminating Essendon from the finals, may not have been the wisest course of action.
While Demetriou has said the joint AFL-ASADA investigation would be a template for future investigations, it's understood WADA will never endorse another joint investigation with a sport and no major sporting code would ever compromise itself by agreeing to a shared inquiry with ASADA.
In the meantime, Hird's comments continue to distract all areas of the club. The heads of the powerful coterie groups will quiz chairman Paul Little after Monday night's annual meeting. The Bombers are already under financial stress, and are facing more legal costs fighting Dean Robinson's claims. More will follow if Hird takes his case to court. And the embattled players are still expected to concentrate on preparing for the 2014 campaign under coach Mark Thompson.
Tania Hird, in her supposedly spontaneous interview when a News Ltd reporter, video operator and photographer happened to be in place outside her house, says she wants the AFL to tell the truth. It's time her husband fronted the media and did the same, detailing all events, beginning with what happened at the club's pre-season training camp at the Sheraton Mirage in Surfers Paradise in December 2011 and his chance meeting with Shane ''Dr Ageless'' Charter.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/hird-the-main-game-is-still-in-play-20131212-2zaco.html#ixzz2nFv3Wo1m
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:clapping
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:clapping
Yep
Jon Pierik :clapping :clapping :clapping
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JAMES Hird may return to coaching late next season and find himself working without pay.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-12-13/hird-to-work-for-free
As some wag on twitter said - "so it's a performance-based contract" :lol
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No way can Hird come back to coach now. The game can't afford to has this continual self-indulgent crap from Hird and Essendon hanging over it for years to come. Whatever happened to bringing the game into disrepute.
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The only person to be found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute twice.
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John Fahey says Dons charges 'only a matter of when'
Michael Whiting
afl.com.au
December 13, 2013 2:39 PM
ESSENDON will be served drug infraction notices – "it's only a matter of when" – according to World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) president John Fahey.
In a stunning statement to the Australian Financial Review, Fahey said he expected the Australian Sports Anti-Drug Authority to clamp down on the Bombers.
He also took a swing at the Victorian government, calling on WorkSafe Victoria to investigate Essendon more stringently, and called the AFL a "sacred cow".
"I expect there will be several charges by ASADA. It’s only a matter of when," Fahey told AFR.
Essendon has already been investigated by the AFL and ASADA for its use of supplements in 2011-12.
The club was fined, coach James Hird stood down for 12 months, football manager Danny Corcoran suspended and then assistant coach Mark Thompson also fined.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-12-13/bombers-charges-imminent-fahey
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:clapping
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-set-to-face-several-charges-from-asada-says-john-fahey-20131213-2zc1v.html
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Always said folks needed to be patient ;D
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Always said folks needed to be patient ;D
not really
efc are a delusional cult run by a 800million dollar man and worship the The only person to be found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute twice.
the AFL will do everything in its power to get efc off scot free 'for the good of the game' $$
there is a very real possibility corruption will win again
if you look at politics and sport in the west and this country in general there is alot of corruption
no point celebrating until justice is done
death to essendon
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There's been a resolution to the james Hird pay dispute.
He's going to be paid a 1 million dollar lump sum in advance under the 2013 banner, so technically hes NOT being paid IN 2014 :lol :lol :lol
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-will-be-paid-his-1-million-annual-salary-in-a-lump-sum/story-fni5f6kv-1226782811551 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-will-be-paid-his-1-million-annual-salary-in-a-lump-sum/story-fni5f6kv-1226782811551)
At what point do these clowns realise that the old antiquated philosophy of deny deny deny and brand protection no longer works like it used to? These days, the average punter has a lot more "resources" at their disposal to find out what's really transpiring. I think most people would appreciate and respect the code a lot more if they stopped passing the average Joe as a dill and were a bit more forthright and actually served justice when required... IE the Melbourne non tanking affair and this saga. Everyone knows it happened but it "didn't" ::)
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So even though the club made a loss they're still giving him a million to walk his dogs? I think I'm going to puke.
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How does that resolve anything? He still gets paid. Adolph and his AFL cohorts have a very low level of credibility and treat everyone as complete fools and I can't wait to see the back of them for the good of the game. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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How does that resolve anything? He still gets paid. Adolph and his AFL cohorts have a very low level of credibility and treat everyone as complete fools and I can't wait to see the back of them for the good of the game. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Read between the lines Smokester. The payment issue was manufactured by Hird and Hird alone, for two reasons:-
To discredit the AFL and Demetreou.
To create a diversion before WADA hands down their penalties.
Discrediting the afl is what Hird and Essendon want everyone to focus on. And yes the afl did stuff up to an extent on his payments by not closing of the loophole of Hird being paid out this year, however, all of this is completely the doings of Hird and Essendon.
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Very good editorial by none other than Patrick Smith
Reckon he's nailed it :clapping
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A million bucks for Hird to twiddle his thumbs - quite a punishment
PATRICK SMITH
THE AUSTRALIAN
DECEMBER 14, 2013 12:00AM
BACK in February when the horror of Essendon's 2012 season was made public, coach James Hird prescribed his own penalty when he said he took full responsibility for what had happened at the club. He was pulling our leg.
If Hird were true to his word, true to the principles that made him make that promise, then he would not be accepting any money for season 2014. But instead, even after agreeing his actions -- or lack of -- contributed to Essendon bringing the game of AFL football into disrepute, Hird will receive $1 million to twiddle his coaching thumbs next season. A million in advance to do nothing. If only every one of us could have such punishment meted out to us for our indiscretions.
Hird is holding his club to a heavy, most selfish ransom. Forcing the Bombers to honour a contract that somehow he had had increased by two years in the final hours of the settlement reached in August. Hird is playing the club, its officials and fans for fools. It is obvious now that Hird had no intention of ever taking responsibility for his part in a coaching regime that saw Essendon players arbitrarily given some drugs that were in breach of ASADA rules, not recommended for human consumption and others that the club still has no idea of their legality or quality.
To underline how outrageous the outcome is for Essendon, consider this: the club is aggressively seeking donations for its new training centre while paying Hird a million to work on his tan.
How Essendon president Paul Little will explain this to his members -- even to his staff -- will be interesting to observe. Little has blown a million dollars at the very time the club is on its begging knees. He should tender his resignation immediately.
That is just one side of the story. Within the last handful of days AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said he knew and was assured that Essendon would not pay Hird during his one-year suspension. It turns out that Demetriou had no idea what was happening. For Hird, the money continued to roll in, only to avalanche in yesterday.
Just how Demetriou could have been so blindsided to what actually was happening with Hird, with Essendon or even with other AFL officials is unclear. But we can say categorically that it is humiliating personally for Demetriou and utterly embarrassing for the AFL executive and the commission.
Hird has been able to manipulate his club, its supporters and members and the competition. He might claim this as a victory but the callous way he has treated the club, the reckless way he has honoured the responsibilities as coach, paints him as a man with an ego that blurs him from what is fair and appropriate. He will prove the biggest moral loser from this saga even if he has been allowed to pocket a million for mucking up his coaching obligations so flippantly.
Nonetheless, the damage Hird has done to the AFL is brutal. Demetriou is now seen as a man who cannot deliver what he trumpets. AFL Commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick is seen as so arrogant he sought to find a settlement independent of the executive team he and his fellow commissioners had charged to facilitate.
Fitzpatrick worked with the chairman of the Australian Sports Commission John Wylie in the shadows to find common ground with Little. This triumvirate of big boys not only made a great a mess of what was already a rabble but their actions made the league and its machinations look less transparent than ever.
It was the secretive doodlings of these three men that saw everybody bar Hird strangled by a list of inducements offered to the coach. One was that he would receive his pay while suspended. The ineptness of these dealings was matched only by the hubris that drips from the men who took part.
At least it brought a nice symmetry to the biggest scandal to rot away at the AFL's standing in the sporting community. It became a scandal when Hird and nearly everybody at Essendon had no idea what some members of staff were doing. And it has ended with Demetriou and others at AFL headquarters appearing to have no idea what their own representatives were up to.
Essendon has lost much. When the club went public with the knowledge that no one at the club could tell the parents of the club's footballers what drugs had been administered to their children, David Evans, as president, Ian Robson as chief executive and Hird, as coach, fronted the media.
Evans is gone after being undermined by insiders at the club. Robson stepped down - was pushed - because he was the club's senior executive and thus had to take responsibility for what had taken place at the club.
And Hird will not coach Essendon next year, too busy counting his dollars, one to a million. Add to this a suspension to football manager Danny Corcoran, a heavy fine to assistant coach Mark Thompson, the sacking of sport science wild card Stephen Dank and the squeezing out of high-performance manager Dean Robinson and the size of the catastrophe that is Essendon is chilling.
But no less is the damage to the AFL. Especially to Fitzpatrick and Demetriou.
As chairman, Fitzpatrick has been negligent in not taking a more public role. This is the biggest moral crisis to ravage Australian football and he has barely uttered a sentence in public. Instead he whispered clandestinely to Wylie, a man whose judgment must also come under heavy scrutiny.
Demetriou might be mortally wounded. His declaration that he would happily pop into his grave knowing that Hird was not being paid for season 2014 was not his first blunder. He has been badly bruised by this controversy and this column's call on September 19 that he consider his position is only strengthened.
In the end Demetriou's biggest mistake was that he had not considered it possible a man of Hird's (previous) standing in football would not acknowledge the damage he had done and would continue to do to his club and to his sport.
Yesterday Hird made a million bucks at the same time he lost the last drop of his dignity, last dollop of respect.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/a-million-bucks-for-hird-to-twiddle-his-thumbs-quite-a-punishment/story-e6frg7uo-1226782818883#
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You would think
Fahey wouldn't say infraction notice around the corner
Unless had a whisper efc will be takes a whack
It'd br absent minded to assume the wada head doesn't communications with his underlings
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THE AFL has banned Essendon coach James Hird and suspended footy boss Danny Corcoran from attending the club's staff Christmas party.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-bans-james-hird-and-danny-corcoran-from-essendon-christmas-party/story-fni5f6kv-1226783210711#ixzz2nSzemq7r
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THE AFL has banned Essendon coach James Hird and suspended footy boss Danny Corcoran from attending the club's staff Christmas party.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-bans-james-hird-and-danny-corcoran-from-essendon-christmas-party/story-fni5f6kv-1226783210711#ixzz2nSzemq7r
Wouldn't think the Bumbling Bombers could afford a Xmas Party now ;D
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How does that resolve anything? He still gets paid. Adolph and his AFL cohorts have a very low level of credibility and treat everyone as complete fools and I can't wait to see the back of them for the good of the game. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Read between the lines Smokester. The payment issue was manufactured by Hird and Hird alone, for two reasons:-
To discredit the AFL and Demetreou.
To create a diversion before WADA hands down their penalties.
Discrediting the afl is what Hird and Essendon want everyone to focus on. And yes the afl did stuff up to an extent on his payments by not closing of the loophole of Hird being paid out this year, however, all of this is completely the doings of Hird and Essendon.
Your theory is correct except for one thing Dooks, Adolph and his cronies signed off on this new deal. So they are saying that they banned him from getting paid but to cover their butts they agreed to a complete payout in a lump sum. Might have been Hird and Essendon's idea but it means the AFL had no intention of punishing Hird and rolled over completely. Lies covering lies covering lies, deny deny deny. Has the stamp of Adolph all over it.
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How does that resolve anything? He still gets paid. Adolph and his AFL cohorts have a very low level of credibility and treat everyone as complete fools and I can't wait to see the back of them for the good of the game. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Read between the lines Smokester. The payment issue was manufactured by Hird and Hird alone, for two reasons:-
To discredit the AFL and Demetreou.
To create a diversion before WADA hands down their penalties.
Discrediting the afl is what Hird and Essendon want everyone to focus on. And yes the afl did stuff up to an extent on his payments by not closing of the loophole of Hird being paid out this year, however, all of this is completely the doings of Hird and Essendon.
Your theory is correct except for one thing Dooks, Adolph and his cronies signed off on this new deal. So they are saying that they banned him from getting paid but to cover their butts they agreed to a complete payout in a lump sum. Might have been Hird and Essendon's idea but it means the AFL had no intention of punishing Hird and rolled over completely. Lies covering lies covering lies, deny deny deny. Has the stamp of Adolph all over it.
The way I read it was, the AFL got verbal assurances from Essendon that Hird wouldn't be paid but Hird and co. are saying nothing was put in writing so the AFL can't stop him being paid. To try and save face all-round, Hird will now be paid a million in 2013 hoping this will go away. Problem is, it won't go away while possible infraction notices are still hanging over the heads of the Bomber players until at least February.
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THE AFL has banned Essendon coach James Hird and suspended footy boss Danny Corcoran from attending the club's staff Christmas party.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-bans-james-hird-and-danny-corcoran-from-essendon-christmas-party/story-fni5f6kv-1226783210711#ixzz2nSzemq7r
now theres a sanction that really hits hard :whistle
eff me.
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THE AFL has banned Essendon coach James Hird and suspended footy boss Danny Corcoran from attending the club's staff Christmas party.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-bans-james-hird-and-danny-corcoran-from-essendon-christmas-party/story-fni5f6kv-1226783210711#ixzz2nSzemq7r
now theres a sanction that really hits hard :whistle
eff me.
Essendon will no longer need Hird party insurance :eyebrow :outtahere
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Essendon plan was for doping into 2013
Richard Baker and Nick McKenzie
The Age
December 16, 2013
Internal Essendon communications suggest key staff hoped to continue the supplements program into 2013 and reveal a plan to inject players with an anti-dementia drug until grand final day 2012, despite previous demands for the jabs to stop.
The email correspondence gives fresh insights into the club's fascination with supplements and the involvement of key figures, including James Hird and Danny Corcoran, in a program Essendon previously tried to tie to the actions of ''rogue'' staff in Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson.
The revelation comes after World Anti-Doping Agency head John Fahey last week declared his belief that Essendon players would receive infraction notices.
On June 15, 2012, Essendon's then high-performance boss Dean Robinson emailed Hird, senior assistant coach Mark Thompson, football chief Danny Corcoran, doctor Bruce Reid and other senior officials a document titled Supplements till GF 2012.
Under Robinson's plan, players were to receive 16 supplements orally or via injections during the week and on game day. One of the drugs to be injected fortnightly two days before a game was the anti-dementia drug Cerebrolysin.
Essendon has never provided a rationale for why this drug, which is being reviewed by WADA to determine whether it should be banned, was beneficial for players. The drug is not approved for use by Australian regulators.
Robinson's plan was sent to the leaders of the club's coaching,
football and medical departments despite Dr Reid and Thompson previously raising strong objections to the ongoing injection of players.
Club documents show that eight days before Robinson's email, South Yarra chiropractor Mal Hooper provided Essendon's then sports scientist Stephen Dank with pages of information on Cerebrolysin and an anti-Parkinson's disease drug, apomorphine, from their Austrian manufacturer.
Dr Reid and Thompson raised concerns in May 2012 when they learned players were being taken to Dr Hooper's clinic and injected with unknown substances, with Thompson instructing Dank to stop the injections.
The documents also reveal that suspended football chief Corcoran had been speaking with South Yarra compounding pharmacist Nima Alavi in October last year about his continuing his assistance to Essendon.
In an October 11, 2012, email to Robinson, Corcoran wrote: ''Thanks Dean … HyperMed is now done and dusted! I spoke with Nima and I reckon he can help down the track!!''
Alavi supplied Dank with a range of supplements in 2011 and 2012, including several that are banned for use in athletes by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
Robinson, who is suing Essendon over his sacking earlier this year, was also planning to meet former Hawthorn premiership player Trent Croad in the 2012 spring to discuss the supply of supplements for the 2013 pre-season.
At this time, Croad was working closely with Alavi and South Yarra anti-ageing doctor Robin Willcourt in a business venture sourcing and supplying peptides.
Another email obtained by Fairfax Media from November 2011 shows Dank's Sydney peptide business partner Ed Van Spanje ordering a batch of six WADA-banned substances, including CJC-1295, Thymosin and Melanotan II, from Alavi.
Dank is copied in on the email at his Essendon Football Club and private email addresses.
Three weeks after this email was sent, Essendon went to the Gold Coast on a pre-season training camp. It was there that convicted drug trafficker and nutrition specialist Shane Charter met Hird and Dank to discuss supplements.
Charter, who worked with Hird on nutrition during his playing days and has become a key witness for the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, has said the coach stressed that any supplements must be legal and not harmful to players.
ASADA's interim report stated that Hird received Melanotan II from Dank and suffered an adverse reaction after injecting it.
There is no evidence to suggest Essendon players received the majority of substances that Van Spanje and Dank ordered from Alavi before the 2011 Gold Coast trip.
However, ASADA's interim report mounts a strong circumstantial case that some Essendon players were given Thymosin Beta-4, which is banned by WADA.
Other documents show at least one Essendon player had blood tests performed at the request of Sydney doctor Ijaz Khan, who reportedly claims in court documents to have injected suspended rugby league winger Sandor Earl with WADA-banned substance CJC-1295 he believed to have been given to the player by Dank.
Fairfax Media believes Dr Khan did not personally consult the Essendon player for whom he ordered blood tests.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-plan-was-for-doping-into-2013-20131215-2zfd1.html
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-16/doctor-warns-of-deadly-supplements/5159842?section=sport
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-chief-paul-little-hits-out-at-antidoping-agency-boss-john-fahey-20131216-2zhd3.html
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/essendon-chairman-paul-little-tells-members-players-did-not-ingest-anything-illegal/story-e6frf33l-1226784378408
:sleep
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Lies covering lies covering lies, deny deny deny.
That is the AFL industry mantra
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Dons still braced for ASADA infractions as NRL bites Cronulla
Adam McNicol
afl.com.au
December 17, 2013
ESSENDON captain Jobe Watson admits he and his teammates remain concerned that they might receive infraction notices from ASADA.
Speaking after he arrived back in Melbourne following a pre-season training camp in the United States, Watson told Fox Sports: "We understand that from the day this started, back in February, that there was a chance of that happening.
"It's an ongoing thing and nothing's changed."
Watson made his comments only 12 hours after Bombers president Paul Little told the club's annual general meeting he was confident the players did not ingest any banned substances.
Back in June, however, Watson told Fox Sports' On The Couch program that he believed he had taken AOD-9604, which is banned by the World Anti-Doping Authority.
The continued speculation over Essendon's situation has come on the same day as the National Rugby League's announcement of proposed penalties for the Cronulla Sharks, who have been embroiled in their own supplements saga this year.
The Sharks are facing a $1 million fine, while their coach, Shane Flanagan, is likely to be banned for next season.
"The club has breached the NRL code of conduct through a serious failure to safeguard the health and safety of its players," NRL chief executive Dave Smith said.
PUNISHMENTS PROPOSED FOR CRONULLA BY THE NRL
- $1 million fine, $400,000 suspended if certain conditions are met.
- Senior coach Shane Flanagan suspended for 12 months (the club has to choice to decide whether to pay him during the suspension). Suspension can be reduced to nine months if Flanagan completes a training program set out by the NRL.
- Former strength and conditioning coach Trent Elkin to be deregistered.
PUNISHMENTS HANDED DOWN TO ESSENDON BY THE AFL
- $2 million fine
- Senior coach James Hird suspended for 12 months on full pay (payments made in advance so he is not receiving money in 2014)
- Football manager Danny Corcoran banned for six months
- Senior assistant coach Mark Thompson fined $30,000
- Banned from the first two rounds of the 2013 and 2014 NAB AFL Drafts
- Banned from competing in 2013 finals series
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-12-17/dons-braced-sharks-stung
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Just hope the NRL remember to put in Flanagan's paperwork that he isn't to be paid while suspended or Tania Hird will be onto them ;D
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Essendon captain Jobe Watson has returned from a pre-season training camp in the US to familiar questions from reporters and admits the threat of infraction notices from ASADA is still real.
''We understand that from the day this started, back in February, there was a chance of that happening,'' he told Fox Sports.
''It's an ongoing thing and nothing's changed.''
Watson told Fox Sports' On the Couch last June he believed he had taken AOD-9604, which is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jobe-watson-still-sweating-on-possible-asada-infraction-notice-20131217-2zjcp.html#ixzz2nnNG1kxy
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So, Golden Boy gets $1,000,000 paid in a lump sum in advance for taking a 12 month holiday, a $120,000 MBA course in the UK and a ban on attending the Bummers unofficial Xmas party as his punishment.
Bomber Thompson gets a $30,000 fine as his punishment.
Am I wrong in thinking that Bomber T comes off worse in this deal?
I wonder if Golden Boy will donate part of his first month's bank interest on his $1 mil to help Bomber out?
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Bombergate: the gift that keeps on giving
Tom Heenan
Written on Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:24
Bombergate has given us so much this year.
But as Christmas approaches, and you think the best of it is over, Bombergate just keeps on giving more.
Last week it was Paul Little's turn. Fronting the cameras last Friday evening, the Bomber president told media that James Hird's pay dispute had been "resolved" to the AFL and Essendon's "satisfaction."
According to Little, Hird would not be paid during the 2014 season. This would comply with the "implied terms of the AFL sanctions" that Hird does not receive a wage for a 12 month period. Instead, Hird would be paid "in advance to cover the 2014 year consistent with [his] employment contract obligations."
What a mind-boggling turnaround!
Before Little's announcement, the AFL had maintained that Hird should not be paid during his suspension. Demetriou's position has now obviously changed, because Hird under the new deal is to be paid "in advance." Consequently, Hird will not suffer any financial penalty for his crimes – whatever they may be.
Little was at it again at the Essendon AGM, defending Hird's pay deal and declaring the old coach would be welcomed back at the end of his suspension.
As Hird looked on, Little acknowledged the club had used "inappropriate" procedures and "exposed ... players to unacceptable risks." But he assured members Essendon had overhauled its medical protocols and governance, and that there would be no repeat of the supplement saga.
What a staggering admission by Little and without any hint of self-irony!
Here was Little condemning a system introduced on Hird's watch. Yet Hird has been rewarded for his mal-administration of the system with a $750,000 Christmas lump-sum, and an assurance that he's back in the coach's box in August.
Little's statement doesn't inspire any confidence in the current administration of football. Few of the major players in this saga have displayed any faith in the integrity of the AFL's investigation or its findings.
Otherwise, Mark Thompson would not be coaching in 2014 and Hird would not be receiving an unexpected lump sum in his Christmas stocking.
Little was not the only club president having a say on Bombergate last week. In an extraordinary outburst, the Bulldogs' Peter Gordon told the ABC's Sally Warhaft the media was to blame for stoking the flames of Bombergate.
What a load of near-Nixonesque nonsense!
Gordon's claim is akin to blaming Woodward and Bernstein for Watergate. Nixon did it silly, not the journos! Like the AFL and Gordon, Nixon wanted to protect the brand.
Thankfully ASADA is nearing the end of its protracted investigation, so we may eventually get clarification of what went on at Essendon. If the recent statement by the outgoing head of WADA, John Fahey, is any indication, the investigation's findings will not be good for the Bombers.
Fahey has constantly reiterated that the AFL's investigation was entirely separate from ASADA's, and that it is only a matter of time before Essendon players receive infraction notices.
Fahey also suggested that Hird will be in ASADA's sights. As Fahey stated, Hird oversaw a regimen of "40,000-plus injections ... most of which we know [are] not approved for human consumption." ASADA will not treat this tardy track record as offhandedly as the AFL or Essendon.
Fahey's remarks brought a sharp rebuttal from Little. He told the Essendon AGM that the allegations were "unsettling and unfounded", and that neither the AFL nor Bombers had received any information of pending infraction notices.
The rebuttal came at a bad time for the Bomber president. The next day The Age detailed allegations of players being administered anti-dementia and anti-Parkinson disease drugs for no apparent reason.
This is no media beat-up, but a tragic farce in which a club seems to have played hard and loose with the rules and the welfare of its players.
Hird deserves the opportunity to put his side of the story. But given what is now on the public record, he should not coach again at Essendon or elsewhere. Not only is he damaged goods but, as Fahey indicated in early November, Hird may be dealt with under the ASADA code. If so, he could face a hefty suspension from the game.
No doubt there is more to come on the Bombergate front. Despite the assurances of Little and the AFL, it is far from resolved to everyone's "satisfaction."
Bombergate has already given us so much, and it will continue to do so well into 2014.
(Dr Tom Heenan lectures in sport and Australian Studies at Monash University.)
http://tinyurl.com/kno3kfb (http://tinyurl.com/kno3kfb)
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ah, Bumber supporters, gotta love 'em.
A friends response to this - 'Essendon should do whatever it takes in 2014, but this time don't get caught..'
Caught for what? Essendon approached the AFL in the first place. :lol Not charged with any offences apart from "bringing the game into disrepute"- cop out. That was the only thing that the AFL could have stick. The media etc were crying for blood for a charge, any charge. The AFL were pressured to do something.
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Nothing but lemmings following the club off the cliff.
When their members donate to the club do they have to nominate if it's for Tullamarine or Turd's holiday?
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Nothing but lemmings following the club off the cliff.
When their members donate to the club do they have to nominate if it's for Tullamarine or Turd's holiday?
:lol :lol
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Nothing but lemmings following the club off the cliff.
When their members donate to the club do they have to nominate if it's for Tullamarine or Turd's holiday?
I would like proof no efc. Training money has gone tird, spin doctors, human rights lawyers.
Very suss
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Damian Barrett @barrettdamian twitter:
"4 people in past 3 hours tell me Essendon considering appointing Paul Little as club CEO. People delving into the constitution"
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Edit: reduce image size.
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its clearly time the media began focusing on the essendone fans who are sick of Hird.........#nobrainer
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@FOXSportsNews twitter:
"Essendon General Manager of Football Danny Corcoran decides NOT to return to the Club on a full time basis following his suspension #AFL"
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saw this nut job near chady this morning
what a tosser
yeah lets standby a needle loving sissy
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i hope you rammed him out into the traffic Daniel
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It was probably Hird himself driving around. He's all about himself :yep.
The new Essendon CEO multiple choice test:
http://www.titusoreily.com/post/70541157177/new-essendon-ceo-multiple-choice-test
;D
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Bill says he noticed Essendon start to change three or four years ago. He particularly recalls receiving in the post an ad for a gambling organisation the club had partnered with.
''Now I'm no wowser, but it was the sloppy wording that got me. It said 'Bombers Bet - You Can't Lose'.'' His point is - gamblers can lose.
Bill says the supplements saga came as no surprise to the Essendon supporters he sits with at the footy. He cited ''shifty letters in the shadows of 2011 squeezing Bronze members to become Silver. Inducements of petrol vouchers if they changed in 2012, but by this year, if they didn't change, they would be moving to an inferior seat''.
''My mate from Bendigo who sits next to me has a son who is on the autism spectrum. He runs a small business and he didn't need to be shelling out more money, but he wanted to stick with the club.
''Consider the recent donation procured from members for the 'Flight Plan' - members had to 'opt out' if they didn't want to donate.
''Consider the statements this month about James Hird's pay arrangements - our suspended coach is being paid $750,000 for a year in which he is not doing his job. How do you reckon that news was received last week by Essendon members who work at Holden?''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/when-the-bombers-were-great-20131220-2zqrg.html#ixzz2o5AMn3pC
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It's people like Bill who make football clubs what they are.
It's people like James Hird whose sense of entitlement loses people like Bill.
Good luck Bombers, you're walking a fine line ATM.
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its clearly time the media began focusing on the essendone fans who are sick of Hird.........#nobrainer
* Massive bumpage*
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Mainstream media ate by and large idiotic ; sun, Sen etc.
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ASADA relied on 'vague' accounts
Chip Le Grand
The Australian
December 27, 2013
ANTI-DOPING authorities are treating as "admissions" vague recollections from Essendon footballers about being injected with a peptide that may or may not be banned for use in sport.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority claims 11 Essendon players admitted to using a form of Thymosin throughout the 2012 season.
The previously unpublished details of those admissions, contained within tiny print at the end of ASADA's 400-page interim report, reveal the weakness of the case against the club.
All Essendon players interviewed by ASADA were asked whether they were given Thymosin, a substance ASADA suspects was Thymosin Beta-4 but which Essendon and its former sports scientist Stephen Dank maintain was Thymomodulin.
Thymosin Beta 4 and Thymomodulin are both peptides extracted from the thymus gland of cows and referred to as Thymosin. Thymosin Beta 4 is banned by the World Anti-Doping Authority, Thymomodulin is not.
While a handful of Essendon players recalled being given a substance referred to as Thymosin by Dank, others were more vague. One senior player listed under an appendix of the report titled "admitted use of substances by players and officials" told investigators: "Thymosin is ringing a bell."
Another said: "Like, I've definitely heard the word but, you know, I wouldn't be able to tell you if I was injected with it or not."
A third player included in the appendix said: "I'm not sure but it is just a familiar name to me. I'm not sure if I did or not but."
According to the ASADA report, 11 Essendon players admitted to being injected with Thymosin and seven with the contentious peptide AOD9604.
A further 12 players admitted to being treated with a topical cream containing AOD9604.
ASADA assured Essendon and its players during its joint investigation with the AFL that players would not face doping charges as a result of taking AOD9604, a substance not included on the WADA's list of banned substances.
Since making available its interim report to the AFL on August 2, ASADA has conducted further interviews in a bid to clarify what form of Thymosin Essendon players were given. ASADA's case that Essendon players were given Thymosin Beta 4 is based on business dealings and communications between Dank, pharmacist Nima Alavi and Shane Charter, an importer and supplier of peptides.
It is understood that ASADA investigators have used their newly acquired coercive powers to compel evidence from Alavi, a Toorak-based compounding pharmacist who supplied Dank with peptides while he worked at Essendon. Alavi previously declined to testify before ASADA.
Charter, previously convicted of importing pseudoephedrine, a precursor to methamphetamine production, has been described as ASADA's star witness after providing detailed testimony to the anti-doping body. Charter admitted to ASADA he had no direct knowledge of Essendon's use of supplements in 2012.
"Although Mr Charter admitted procuring WADA prohibited substances from China on behalf of Mr Dank he could not positively say whether Mr Dank had administered those substances to Essendon players."
Essendon's defence -- that the form of Thymosin given to players in 2012 was Thymomodulin, an immunity booster given to infants -- is based on a spread sheet obtained from Dank's computer at Essendon. The spreadsheet, titled "2012 THYMODULIN" lists a schedule of injections given to players.
The spreadsheet, along with a picture of a bottle of Thymomodulin found in Dank's fridge at Essendon, were provided to the ASADA probe by the club. ASADA has made no attempt to interview Dank since acquiring coercive powers six months ago.
Outgoing WADA president John Fahey earlier this month said it was "only a matter of time" before Essendon players received infraction notices for doping offences. He subsequently admitted he had not read ASADA's interim report and had not been briefed on the strength of the evidence against Essendon.
Essendon president Paul Little told club members at this month's AGM that Fahey's comments were irresponsible.
http://www.news.com.au/national/asada-relied-on-vague-accounts/story-e6frfkp9-1226790306856#mm-premium
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The warren commission into the Kennedy assassination took 10 months...How long is this going to take?
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According to the ASADA report, 11 Essendon players admitted to being injected with Thymosin and seven with the contentious peptide AOD9604.
A further 12 players admitted to being treated with a topical cream containing AOD9604.
ASADA assured Essendon and its players during its joint investigation with the AFL that players would not face doping charges as a result of taking AOD9604, a substance not included on the WADA's list of banned substances.
That's not actually true. While not specifically listed by its name, the default S0 clause in the WADA code covers substances not tested on humans such as AOD9604. It's more that it's harder to prosecute users compared to users of substances explicitly listed as banned under the S2 clause such as Thymosin beta-4.
In any case, a sportsperson should know what is going into their bodies. Ignorance or a hazy memory isn't an excuse as others who have copped 12-24 month bans have found out. On top of that, if Essendon hadn't conveniently not recorded what was going on inside their club then ASADA wouldn't have to rely on Bomber players' memories to find out what exact substances were injected.
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Even given that Dimi didn't know any details at that time, a call to every club president suggesting that a certain investigative body was investigating certain things involving certain organisations could have been enough for your average club president to call in the key managers of the organisation to seek assurance that there had been no local involvement in those certain practices.
Any equivocation from those managers could have elicited certain questions, such as; "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest and his condemnatory scripture?"
.... that'd be enough to get the shredders fired up, surely?
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Even given that Dimi didn't know any details at that time, a call to every club president suggesting that a certain investigative body was investigating certain things involving certain organisations could have been enough for your average club president to call in the key managers of the organisation to seek assurance that there had been no local involvement in those certain practices.
Any equivocation from those managers could have elicited certain questions, such as; "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest and his condemnatory scripture?"
.... that'd be enough to get the shredders fired up, surely?
exactly, hilarious that this isn't looked at with more cynicism by the media
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Even given that Dimi didn't know any details at that time, a call to every club president suggesting that a certain investigative body was investigating certain things involving certain organisations could have been enough for your average club president to call in the key managers of the organisation to seek assurance that there had been no local involvement in those certain practices.
Any equivocation from those managers could have elicited certain questions, such as; "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest and his condemnatory scripture?"
.... that'd be enough to get the shredders fired up, surely?
exactly, hilarious that this isn't looked at with more cynicism by the media
When you can't defend the charges against one, attack the people making the charges
Best case scenario turd, vlad , players all banned / fired
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SPORTS scientist Stephen Dank has 11 days to hand over any documents detailing the secrets of his supplement program to two former Cronulla Sharks players who are considering launching legal action against him.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/stephen-dank-has-11-days-to-hand-over-papers-about-supplement-program-to-former-sharks-players-who-are-considering-legal-action/story-fni0cx12-1226810393408
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-01-31/pies-sack-recruiter
Whatever it takes. Essendon just a bunch of crooks.
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Even given that Dimi didn't know any details at that time, a call to every club president suggesting that a certain investigative body was investigating certain things involving certain organisations could have been enough for your average club president to call in the key managers of the organisation to seek assurance that there had been no local involvement in those certain practices.
Any equivocation from those managers could have elicited certain questions, such as; "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest and his condemnatory scripture?"
.... that'd be enough to get the shredders fired up, surely?
exactly, hilarious that this isn't looked at with more cynicism by the media
They are the media
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Does a private email between ASADA and Stephen Dank suggest the Bombers might have no case to answer?
Roy Masters
The Age
February 6, 2014
A recent email from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority to controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank indicates the threat of bans still hangs over Cronulla players, while Essendon players may no longer be on the anti-doping body's radar. In an email request last month that Dank meet its officials, ASADA suggested he could help bring closure to the inquiry and allow some resolution for Sharks players following the year-long saga. No mention was made in that same email, however, of Dank delivering closure to Essendon players.
Dank worked at Cronulla for five months in 2011 and joined Essendon at the end of that year, remaining there for the 2012 season. Given Dank was central to the supply and use of peptides at Essendon and no mention was made in the ASADA email of bringing closure for the AFL players, are we to assume the anti-doping body has decided the Bombers have no case to answer?
In so far as Dank did not inject a single player at Cronulla, but was the architect of a regime that resulted in more than 1200 injections at Essendon, ASADA presumably believes the substances he brought to the NRL club might have been banned, while those used at the AFL club were not. Dank has always maintained he did not use any prohibited drugs, claiming ASADA and the World Anti-Doping Agency gave permission for any supplements he prescribed.
He claims to have credible witnesses to all phone calls he made to both anti-doping bodies.
Traditionally, ASADA does not officially declare an investigation over, relying on its eight-year-long statute of limitations to allow for fresh evidence that might result in infringement notices being issued.
However, because Dank was central to the supply and use of peptides at Essendon and no mention was made in the ASADA email of delivering relief to the AFL players, it can be assumed the anti-doping body has determined the Bombers have no case to answer.
While not declaring the end of an investigation might work for the odd weightlifter who refuses to be interviewed and later disappears to work in the mines, it does not address the frustrations of hundreds of thousands of football fans who want the matter concluded.
Presumably, this is one reason why a former Federal Court judge has been brought in to help ASADA and hopefully close the investigation by the end of April.
While Dank has been invited to meet ASADA, there has been no threat of a daily fine of $5100 for failure to co-operate with it.
The emails between lawyers acting for Dank and ASADA have been informal, yet frank.
Dank has made it clear he wants the matter resolved by the legal system, not a quasi-legal body.
''I'm not going to put myself before some kangaroo court of sport,'' he said. ''We're going straight to the Federal Court.
''It's not as if I am refusing to co-operate with ASADA, but simply that I want to put my case before an open court.''
Dank said he would use his appearance to expose ASADA's breaches of power and its complicity with the AFL during the ASADA-AFL investigation into Essendon.
Some claim politics is the motive behind federal government's Minister for Sport, Peter Dutton, bringing former Federal Court judge Garry Downes into the ASADA inquiry.
It's not as if ASADA requires additional legal resources to assist it in sport's supplements crisis.
ASADA, being a statutory body, has its own lawyers, plus access to federal government solicitors.
Downes has been appointed to review the evidence ASADA has collected and expedite the inquiry. Presumably, he will recommend one of three courses, after examining all testimony, including emails, phone records, invoices, bank records and pharmacy logs.
One course would be to recommend the entire investigation into the AFL and NRL be abandoned.
A second would be to order infraction notices for either or both Cronulla and Essendon.
A third would be to insist on more evidence.
This role is usually the responsibility of a panel called the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Committee, which is a body of eminent lay people, including lawyers.
However, Dutton obviously wants the logjam of evidence cleared with Downes' input before ASADA proceeds to the ADRVC.
Even when infraction notices go out, a mini-logjam appears.
NRL player Sandor Earl has been given a notice charging him with trafficking, yet the NRL tribunal is yet to call him, presumably because ASADA wants more information from him on Dank.
It is unlikely Dank could provide written records for a court, because records are retained by medical practices or clubs.
Should a Federal Court case call on records at Cronulla and Essendon, only for that evidence to be found to no longer exist, another ''blackest day in sport'' looms.
The law takes instances of destroyed evidence very seriously.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/does-a-private-email-between-asada-and-stephen-dank-suggest-the-bombers-might-have-no-case-to-answer-20140205-321vd.html
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Essendon can't stop producing comedy relief :rollin
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Development, revising and monitoring policies and procedures for EFC;
Because we're too stupid and dodgy to be able to do it ourselves.
Development, revising and monitoring internal controls to minimise risk;
In other words, don't keep any records around the place that could be incriminating.
Driving adherence and accountability culture by all stakeholders to internal policies, procedures and controls;
Make sure we have the best lawyers to find any and all loopholes.
Ensure the Board of Directors, senior management and employees are in compliance with the rules and regulations of external bodies including the AFL & VCGLR;
Remember the golden rule at Essendon - we know nothing! We'll blame you and hold you 100% responsible if we get caught out again.
Ensure the club medical protocols are adhered to and appropriate reporting is completed;
All medical substances to be labelled either 'Vitamin A' or 'Vitamin B'.
Developing effective training programs for new and existing employees;
All training to be done offsite preferably via Mexico.
Collaboration with internal departments to resolve any compliance issues and mitigate potential risk;
Get Hirdy to give it the okay.
;D
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lmao classic
Stolen :-)
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lmao classic
Stolen :-)
Especially the bit the says "this role will be subject to background checks". Yeah just like last time! :lol
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Nothing will happen. Essendon will get away with it. Probably go deep into finals, might even snag a flag. Braindead masses will bitch & boo but keep consuming the tainted, inferior product.
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Nothing will happen. Essendon will get away with it. Probably go deep into finals, might even snag a flag. Braindead masses will bitch & boo but keep consuming the tainted, inferior product.
many people will stop following the game i suspect.
some what similar to when fitzory was raped
but as long as money wins at the end of the day thats very important :)
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Divisions opening up at Windy Hill or is Paul Little now hinting that Hird won't be coming back?
Little 'undermined' Hird
Matt Murnane
The Age
February 10, 2014
A central figure in James Hird's fight against the AFL has lashed out at Essendon chairman Paul Little over comments he made about the suspended coach in an interview with Fairfax Media.
Ian Hanke, a former Liberal Party PR adviser who played a key back-room role for Hird throughout the Essendon supplements scandal, has savaged Little for ''undermining'' Hird in an effort to ''appease'' the AFL and chief executive Andrew Demetriou.
Little said Hird would return to the club a ''better person'' than the one suspended for 12 months last year by the AFL, but conceded that he faced a difficult task convincing Hird to move on from the fall-out of the supplements saga.
Little likened Hird the coach to Hird the passionate footballer whose first instinct was to ''whack right back'' after being belted on the playing arena, but admitted that tactic could not be tolerated as the club moved to reform its culture.
Hanke used Twitter over the weekend to take aim at Little for his comments, and predicted that Bombers supporters would be just as outraged as he was at Little's ''appalling'' behaviour.
''Just read Age interview with Paul Little. Got to seriously wonder what he was thinking. No excuses for such appaklng [sic] behaviour from him,'' he tweeted.
''Little really thinks that trying to appease the AFL by undermining his own is a good idea? Really?
''I imagine EFC members will be flaying Little and rightfully so. What planet does he live on… Planet Demetriou. Good grief.''
Describing his relationship with Demetriou as a work in progress,
Little also expressed regret that he had not been able to negotiate directly with Demetriou as the investigation into Essendon's 2012 supplement program unfolded.
Hanke also took exception to those comments, accusing the Essendon chairman of ''shoring up his position'' in the AFL's ''boys club''.
Hanke claimed the AFL had played ''jury, judge and executioner'' in punishing Hird and others at Essendon, pointing out that ASADA's investigation into the club's program had yet to reach a point where infraction notices would be issued to players.
''Little should be railing about the appalling AFL processes so that such a travesty never happens again and reform is instituted. The more I think about this, the worse it is.''
Hanke's criticism of Little is somewhat surprising given the president's unwavering support of Hird in the aftermath of the supplements scandal.
Essendon could not be contacted for comment on Sunday.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/little-undermined-hird-20140209-32a50.html
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''I imagine EFC members will be flaying Little and rightfully so. What planet does he live on… Planet Demetriou. Good grief.''
I cant imagine why the EFC members are not flaying James. What planet do they live on...Planet Hird. Good greif.
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lmao classic
Stolen :-)
Especially the bit the says "this role will be subject to background checks". Yeah just like last time! :lol
Yeah, we're gonna check the criminal registers to find just the right person :rollin
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How many Essendon presidents do the Hirds want to bring down?
James Hird's father is the latest supporter of the suspended Essendon coach to attack club chairman Paul Little, taking umbrage with his remarks that his son would ''whack'' anyone.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hirds-father-hits-out-at-bomber-president-paul-little-20140210-32d0c.html#ixzz2suxp6iAh
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As predicted by MT in earlier posts, there is no way Hird can come back and coach the Bombers now.
Pretty soon the heat will be on Timmy and Jobe to disown Hird and his sniper attacks on the club. Once this happens the Hird legacy will officially be over at Essendon.
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As predicted by MT in earlier posts, there is no way Hird can come back and coach the Bombers now.
Pretty soon the heat will be on Timmy and Jobe to disown Hird and his sniper attacks on the club. Once this happens the Hird legacy will officially be over at Essendon.
Yep DC, public divisions are opening up between the Bombers and the Hird camp. It'll just become another circus if Hird is allowed to return.
Interesting article from Lovett-Murray today in terms of confirming the injection program at EFC began at that Gold Coast preseason camp back in 2011.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/i-put-my-trust-in-stephen-dank-retired-bomber-nathan-lovettmurray-says-20140210-32d0o.html
http://images.theage.com.au/file/2013/04/12/4187826/1304consentform.pdf
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Game was 'ambushed'
Caroline Wilson
The Age
February 18, 2014
Reigning premiership coach Alastair Clarkson has called for sweeping reforms to the AFL coaching ranks to block any repeat of the Essendon supplements scandal which he said had been allowed to ''ambush'' the game.
Revealing his severe disappointment at Essendon and regretting that he and other senior coaches had not communicated their dismay to James Hird when it could have made a difference, Clarkson said it was wrong to assume that other senior coaches felt Hird had been harshly treated by the AFL.
Clarkson also said he had harboured strong sympathy for AFL boss Andrew Demetriou and likened Demetriou's efforts to handle the saga throughout the 2013 season to ''treading a pathway through a minefield''.
Under the Clarkson blueprint, which he also outlined in a frank presentation to the AFL Commission in Sydney on Monday, Hird would not have been allowed to coach the Bombers without AFL accreditation and at least two years' coaching experience.
Clarkson told Fairfax Media: ''We need to ensure (the Essendon supplements scandal) never happens in our game again. What have we learned? What have coaches learned about their obligations and responsibilities to young men? What have clubs learned? What have junior coaches learned?
''It's too easy to sweep it under the carpet and hope it's never going to happen again. Next time it could be illicit drugs or young girls in night clubs. It comes down to having the right systems and protocols in place.
''Hirdy (James Hird) needs accreditation to coach under nines but not an AFL footy team. It really concerns me that the game doesn't protect itself in the way, say, the teaching industry does.''
Read more at: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/game-was-ambushed-20140217-32wg1.html
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Under the Clarkson blueprint, which he also outlined in a frank presentation to the AFL Commission in Sydney on Monday, Hird would not have been allowed to coach the Bombers without AFL accreditation and at least two years' coaching experience.
An interesting point.
To coach in any other recognised league, you have to have accreditation, The minimum is level 1 coaching. As you get into higher levels you are supposed to a higher level of accreditation. Reading this it seems that it does not apply to the AFL itself?
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Having resd the entire article/interview I have to say Clarkson makes some really good points and a lot of sense
Hopefully the AFLCA and those twits at HQ pay some attention
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Essendon close to signing off on process on monitor effects of supplements on players “indefinitely”
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
February 20, 2014
ESSENDON is moving close to an agreement to medically monitor its players “indefinitely” for the effects of its controversial 2012 supplements program.
The AFL and player union have handed the Bombers a proposal which would provide independent advice to players about the substances administered.
A recognised research institute would also be appointed to undertake a study of the substances Essendon concedes the players took.
Essendon chairman Paul Little told the Herald Sun last week he would “welcome and insist on ongoing monitoring” after the events of 2012.
It is understood that monitoring could be indefinite given the potential long-term effects of those substances.
AFL medical director Peter Harcourt has been instrumental in drawing up the proposal now in front of Essendon.
The AFL and player union are awaiting the club’s approval and potential alterations before it is rolled out to players.
AFLPA executive Ian Prendergast says he hopes the agreement will be finalised soon so players have access to its services.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-close-to-signing-off-on-process-on-monitor-effects-of-supplements-on-players-indefinitely/story-fndv8gad-1226832041971
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and here i was thinking they had nothing untoward or given any substances that they shouldn't have ::)
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ASADA has completed its probe into the AFL and NRL, says chief executive
Dan Harrison
The Age
February 26, 2014 - 8:14PM
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has completed its investigation of the AFL and NRL, the body's chief told a Senate hearing on Wednesday.
Outgoing ASADA chief executive Aurora Andruska said the authority was now reviewing the evidence it had gathered and developing briefs.
Andruska said former Federal Court judge Garry Downes would review the evidence to determine whether it was sufficient to take cases forward.
But she said Downes' work would not hold up the authority's work, and it would continue to prepare briefs and could issue show cause letters to players and take matters through the Anti-Doping Rule Violation panel and other tribunals while Downes completed his review.
ASADA said an Australian Federal Police and Deloitte investigation had found no one within their organisation was responsible for leaking sensitive information to the media.
During the peak of ASADA's investigation into players in the NRL and AFL, several sensitive documents were published in the media last year that related to football clubs Cronulla and Essendon.
It was enough to force Andruska to call in the AFP and Deloitte to go over the organisation with a fine-tooth comb.
"There were media suggestions, and from other quarters, that the organisation was leaking," she told a Senate estimates hearing on Wednesday.
"I brought in Deloitte and the AFP to make examination of any leaks occurring, and there were none. ASADA was not leaking."
Andruska said the investigation examined all communication that had been made and received by the organisation over the past several years.
She said she could only speculate where the leaks came from, and when invited by the senators to do so, replied: "I don't think that's an answer I'd give".
The investigation into both Cronulla and Essendon's supplements programs has been completed, but ASADA is reviewing its evidence meaning players could still be issued with infraction notices.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/asada-has-completed-its-probe-into-the-afl-and-nrl-says-chief-executive-20140226-33idd.html#ixzz2uR9Sk9xQ
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Watch Vlad pull the strings
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/controversial-sports-scientist-stephen-dank-to-break-silence-at-sportsmans-lunch/story-fni5f6kv-1226838595915
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and here i was thinking they had nothing untoward or given any substances that they shouldn't have ::)
Its an absolute stuffing farce the way this is being played out. We have the bombers as a club who are clearly holding back information so that it doesn't incriminate them, even though there is a chance this could have ramifications for players down the track. Just astounding. If players develop nasty side effects in the future, there will be major litigation, but who cares right? that will be well after this regime has moved on and will be someone else problem. Disgrace.
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Essendon players remain at risk of drug suspensions
Jon Ralph, Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
February 27, 2014 11:13PM
ESSENDON could be stuck in Groundhog Day with players potentially facing uncertain futures long into the season.
The Bombers and the AFL hope players will be cleared by ASADA’s probe by April, but any action could take until the eve of the finals to be resolved.
Coach Mark Thompson told the Herald Sun the players were craving closure after 13 months.
But if ASADA decides in April action should be taken, players might not face an AFL anti-doping tribunal until weeks before the finals.
It would be a diabolical situation for the league, and for Essendon, after the gloss was taken off last year’s finals by the Dons being booted out of September. The chain of events leading to suspensions passes through ASADA, an independent Anti-Doping Rules Violation Panel, the AFL’s anti-doping tribunal, and potentially an appeals panel.
The AFL warned that even if the briefs of evidence did not contain recommendations to act, the case would never really be closed.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-remain-at-risk-of-drug-suspensions/story-fndv8gad-1226839978124
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This is the scenario the Bumblings may face ;D
Sandor Earl the NRL player who admitted to taking and selling the banned peptides was issued with an ASADA infraction notice back in Aug/Sept last year and still hasn't faced any hearing, therefore still hasn't received his final penalty. And there is still no date set for his hearing ;D
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One would have to wonder what sort of joke ASADA is.
The main suspect in all of this is Dank.
He hasn't even been invited to front ASADA.
You can imagine what sort dirt he must have on the AFL/NRL.................. :gobdrop
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Say five people see a rape take place in a park.
Say the police interview three or four of these in regards ton the rape.
Is it then requires to interview the rapist (is. Dank), to find out what happened?
Do you expect the rapist to tell the truth anyway?
Not the world greatest analogy but I hope you get what I am trying to say. If you can work out what happened from multiple sources if the protagonist really required? More so when he is full of poo anyway
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Say five people see a rape take place in a park.
Say the police interview three or four of these in regards ton the rape.
Is it then requires to interview the rapist (is. Dank), to find out what happened?
Do you expect the rapist to tell the truth anyway?
Not the world greatest analogy but I hope you get what I am trying to say. If you can work out what happened from multiple sources if the protagonist really required? More so when he is full of poo anyway
I don't think this is a good example. The case you have provided has witnesses that have nothing to lose by saying the truth. In the Dank case, many people gave evidence, many of who are trying to protect their own club. We had evidence destroyed, poor documentation on what was given and conflicting stories from one person to another. It is imperative that the main suspect is interviewed and made to tell the truth.
It is almost inconceivable that the main man isn't interviewed......
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agree ^^^^
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Say five people see a rape take place in a park.
Say the police interview three or four of these in regards ton the rape.
Is it then requires to interview the rapist (is. Dank), to find out what happened?
Do you expect the rapist to tell the truth anyway?
Not the world greatest analogy but I hope you get what I am trying to say. If you can work out what happened from multiple sources if the protagonist really required? More so when he is full of poo anyway
I don't think this is a good example. The case you have provided has witnesses that have nothing to lose by saying the truth. In the Dank case, many people gave evidence, many of who are trying to protect their own club. We had evidence destroyed, poor documentation on what was given and conflicting stories from one person to another. It is imperative that the main suspect is interviewed and made to tell the truth.
It is almost inconceivable that the main man isn't interviewed......
The problems. Is the evidence has already been destroyed and this cannot be undone. Dank won't tell the truth unless he was under torture. This is evidence by the thirty four page afl charge sheet stating tb4 was Bought/injected. And dank lying it was not tb4.
If you read the science of Steven dank and the afl charge sheet that's IMO suffice information mass drug cheating has taken place.
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I'm happy to torture the flat little prick. :shh
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Say five people see a rape take place in a park.
Say the police interview three or four of these in regards ton the rape.
Is it then requires to interview the rapist (is. Dank), to find out what happened?
Do you expect the rapist to tell the truth anyway?
Not the world greatest analogy but I hope you get what I am trying to say. If you can work out what happened from multiple sources if the protagonist really required? More so when he is full of poo anyway
I don't think this is a good example. The case you have provided has witnesses that have nothing to lose by saying the truth. In the Dank case, many people gave evidence, many of who are trying to protect their own club. We had evidence destroyed, poor documentation on what was given and conflicting stories from one person to another. It is imperative that the main suspect is interviewed and made to tell the truth.
It is almost inconceivable that the main man isn't interviewed......
The problems. Is the evidence has already been destroyed and this cannot be undone. Dank won't tell the truth unless he was under torture. This is evidence by the thirty four page afl charge sheet stating tb4 was Bought/injected. And dank lying it was not tb4.
If you read the science of Steven dank and the afl charge sheet that's IMO suffice information mass drug cheating has taken place.
All I am saying is that you would think they would have at least tried! It's not to say they would get anything meaningful from him.
It's just like saying you wouldn't interview a suspected murderer because you don't think he would tell the truth. Wow!
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I'm happy to torture the flat little prick. :shh
:lol
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Essendrugs in crisis again
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Oh Caroline Wilson my queen
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Essendon in crisis as players set to be named in banned drugs inquiry
Caroline Wilson
The Age
March 01, 2014
Essendon has called a crisis meeting of 10 senior players warning them that they would be named publicly for having taken potentially banned drugs.
Furious that confidentiality agreements had been broken and devastated their players would be subjected to further scrutiny, Bombers staff were also contacting four former Essendon players who told investigators they believed they had taken the drugs.
The players told ASADA and AFL investigators last year they believed they had been injected with Thymosin, AOD-9604 or both.
Essendon chairman Paul Little addressed his disappointment with the News Ltd press in a letter to members on Saturday night.
He told The Sunday Age: ''This is just another hurdle they need to overcome. These players have not been allowed to find closure and closure is what they crave.''
Acting club chief executive Xavier Campbell on Saturday addressed captain Jobe Watson and nine of his teammates after a training session at Tullamarine. Watson admitted on Fox Footy last year that he believed he had taken AOD-9604 which is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
The Sunday Age has chosen not to name the 14 players.
All face further scrutiny from ASADA as it reviews the evidence gathered over the past 12 months surrounding Essendon's drug program conducted during the 2012 season. Little however has maintained he does not believe they took banned substances.
Essendon has always denied the Thymosin administered to the players under dangerous drug regime was Thymosin Beta-4 which is banned.
A disappointed Little told Essendon members: ''Throughout this investigation, confidentiality has been paramount to protect the integrity of this process - unfortunately, at various times this process has been undermined by leaks, innuendo and a lack of ethical and professional behaviour.
''The club has received information that the Herald Sun is going to name players based on information within an interim and incomplete report.
''On this occasion the club is particularly disappointed that the Herald Sun would choose to provide confidential information that could easily and unfairly damage the reputation of our players.
''As previously stated, we believe that our players did not take anything harmful, performance enhancing or illegal during 2012.
''Our players are young men of the highest integrity and it is a shame the Herald Sun has been unable to show the same level of professionalism and integrity as our players have done throughout this process.
''The disclosure of players' names will not change the outcome of the investigation in any way whatsoever, however it unfairly impacts our players, their reputations, their families and our club.''
The players had remained at the club for a community session on Saturday when the 10 were taken aside and informed their names would be made public. They were offered additional support from the club.
Little said he remained concerned at the ongoing impact on the players involved. ''From a club point of view they are going to need further special attention now,'' Little said. ''They signed confidentiality agreements and we believed those would be respected.''
The AFL and the AFL Players Association refused to comment on the development on Saturday. Both bodies have remained quietly confident the players involved will not receive infraction notices from ASADA.
http://m.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-in-crisis-as-players-set-to-be-named-in-banned-drugs-inquiry-20140301-33szw.html?rand=1393669314876&utm_content=buffer9abe6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Am looking forward to reading this Herald Sun article.
If Essendon dispute that the Thymosin that was injected was Thymosin Beta 4, then they should simply produce the medical records and have the matter done with.
But oh, that's right, they were kept in a bar fridge next to the VB stubbies and there are no records.
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Am looking forward to reading this Herald Sun article.
If Essendon dispute that the Thymosin that was injected was Thymosin Beta 4, then they should simply produce the medical records and have the matter done with.
But oh, that's right, they were kept in a bar fridge next to the VB stubbies and there are no records.
M: Thymosin Beta 4 – why was that used in Essendon players given there is an opinion from a doctor or researcher and other scientists that its effects are uncertain? (note: The AFL believes it has a strong circumstantial case that TB-4 was used on players.)
SD: That's not totally true Nick because, with all due respect, right, there is good data – very good data – that supports Thymosin Beta 4 in the immune system.
NM: OK, why give it to all Essendon players if only some of them had colds and flu?
SD: Well, the point is that there is a degree of immunosuppression after a game or a hard training week, right. Often times the ability to back up next week is decreased by the hit on the immune system.
NM: Did you see any indications in Essendon players that it actually helped them?
SD: Well apart from the fact they won 11 out of their first 14, right, and we did regular bloods [blood tests] . . . at the end of the day I was very happy with the science, I was very happy after working a long time in football, right, that there are periods of malaise which are possibly related to sub-clinical flus and sub-clinical colds, right, which can affect performance. When we want to be honest, Nick, how much performance data is there out there on Actovegin [calf's blood extract)]
NM: There's a lot, isn't there?
SD: No there's not! So, you know, you've got to extrapolate from the science.
NM: How often were Essendon players taking Thymosin Beta 4?
SD: [Explains the dosage level but asks that this be not published].
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html#ixzz2ui6IFnvQ
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WELVE AFL stars including 10 Bombers risk bans after telling anti-doping investigators they thought they had been injected with peptides.
Club captain
Jobe Watson,
Dyson Heppell
and Michael Hurley
are among 10 current Essendon players the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority says told its investigators they suspected they had been injected with either Thymosin, AOD-9604 or both.
MARK ROBINSON: DIRTIED DOZEN DESERVE A FAIR GO
The others are
Tom Bellchambers,
Jake Melksham,
Heath Hocking,
Michael Hibberd,
Kyle Hardingham,
Tayte Pears
and Alex Browne.
Stewart Crameri, now at the Western Bulldogs, Scott Gumbleton, now at Fremantle, and delisted Bombers Ricky Dyson and Sam Lonergan also told ASADA they believed or suspected they had been injected with the drugs while at Essendon in 2012.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/thirteen-months-after-the-drugs-in-sport-scandal-broke-12-afl-players-are-still-looking-for-closure/story-fndv8gad-1226842446681
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From the same article by Robbo ...
If a decision is made to take action, players would then be issued with “show cause’’ letters and given 10 days to make submissions before the Anti-Doping Rules Violation Panel ruled on their guilt.
The AFL would then decide what penalties - if any - to impose. That process is expected to take months.
One of the key hurdles ASADA will have to overcome is the circumstantial evidence surrounding Essendon’s use of Thymosin.
In a text message discovered by ASADA, sports scientist Stephen Dank tells former Essendon fitness boss Dean “The Weapon’’ Robinson in August 2011: “Don’t forget how important Thymosin is. This is going to be our vital cornerstone next year.
“It is the ultimate assembly regulatory protein and biological modifier.”
In another text to Robinson, Dank states: “Thymosin is so effective in soft-tissue maintenance.”
The AFL charge sheet against Essendon alleged the texts were evidence “Dank was referring to Thymosin Beta-4” because only the banned type of Thymosin aids in “tissue regeneration and recovery functions’’.
But Dank has denied giving Thymosin Beta-4 to any Bombers players and claims he was referring to the legal variant in the texts.
He has not given an interview to ASADA.
Whether bans could be pursued over AOD-9604 use is also unclear.
In its Drugs In Sport report last year, the Australian Crime Commission determined it was not banned.
But the World Anti-Doping Agency has consistently stated AOD-9604 was illegal from January 2011.
ASADA investigators conducted interviews with every player on Essendon’s 2012 list in April and May last year.
All Essendon players signed medical consent forms at the start of 2012 in the belief the drugs they were being given were approved by WADA.
The maximum penalty for doping is a two-year ban, but given the unique circumstances surrounding the supplements program, any players found guilty would expect to get significant discounts.
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The full list of substances allegedly used by Essendon players in 2012, according to ASADA:
Amino acids: Molecules that can build muscle, improve performance, help recovery.
Amino-Bol: Muscle-building supplement for workouts.
AOD-9604: Anti-obesity peptide used to increase power and rehabilitate soft-tissue injuries.
Arginine: Amino acid that helps heal wounds.
Caffeine: Stimulant of the central nervous system.
Cerebrolysin: Experimental peptide made from pig brain, and given to Alzheimer’s and stroke patients as it is said to improve cognitive performance.
Coenzyme: Used to treat muscle pain.
Colostrum: Derived from cow’s milk. Increases strength and endurance, builds muscle mass.
Comfrey: Herbal cream used for cuts, wounds and bruising.
Creatine: Bodybuilding supplement that provides energy to the muscles and helps recovery.
D-Ribose powder: Carbohydrate molecule that helps recovery and increases energy.
Glycogen: Substance deposited in bodily tissues as a store of carbohydrates.
Glutamine: Tasteless substance that reduces muscle breakdown.
Glutathione: Antioxidant that helps increase strength and endurance.
HMB: Bodybuilding capsules or powder supplement.
Humanofort: Supplement that encourages muscle growth.
Hydration shots: Electrolyte energy tablets
Interleukin: Helps regulate immune system
IV immune boost: Intravenous therapy that delivers vitamins, minerals and amino acids to the body
Last-Away: Antioxidant drink that helps fight fatigue and boost performance
Melibol: Branched chain amino acids designed to assist soft-tissue repair and recovery.
MP50: Weight-gaining, mass-increasing protein milk supplement.
Multi-vitamins: Supplements used for overall health.
Nitrovol: Pre-and post-workout powder shake used to build and refuel muscles.
Platelet-rich plasma: Injections of a players’ own blood used to treat musculoskeletal injuries.
Protein: Powder supplement used to build muscle and assist recovery.
Thymomodulin: Peptide derived from thymus glands of young calves. Helps boost the immune system. Not banned.
Thymosin: Peptide that assists muscle regeneration. The banned Thymosin Beta 4 is often used on racehorses.
Traumeel: Used in treatment of musculoskeletal injuries.
Tribulus: Herbal extract used for erectile dysfunction and low libido. Increases testosterone levels.
Ubiquinol: Anti-oxidant that helps increase energy.
Ubiquinone: Anti-oxidant that helps increase energy.
Vitamin D: Improves bone strength and muscle function.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/thirteen-months-after-the-drugs-in-sport-scandal-broke-12-afl-players-are-still-looking-for-closure/story-fni5f6kv-1226842446681
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ESSENDON chairman Paul Little has hit out at the Herald Sun for naming the 14 current and former AFL players who have been identified in ASADA's initial report into the Bombers' supplements program.
In an open letter to members, which was published on Essendon's website on Sunday morning, Little wrote: "This week the club received information that stage one of the ASADA investigation process has now concluded and Stage 2, the review stage, will begin – this is following standard ASADA procedure.
"Throughout this investigation, confidentiality has been paramount to protect the integrity of this process – unfortunately, at various times this process has been undermined by leaks, mistruths and a lack of ethical and professional behaviour.
"Today the club is particularly disappointed that the Herald Sun would choose to provide confidential information from an incomplete and interim report that could easily and unfairly damage the reputation of our players.
"As previously stated, we believe that our players did not take anything harmful, performance enhancing or illegal during 2012.
"Our club is by no means in any crisis but we are particularly frustrated and disappointed that the Herald Sun has been unable to show the same level of professionalism and integrity as our players have done throughout this process."
Later on Sunday, an AFL spokesman said the League had not been notified by ASADA of any impending action against any AFL players.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-03-02/dons-outraged
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Come on ban them FFS :banghead
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Have to laugh at the bombers being upset at the HUN.
They obviously thought after 2013 that HUN was in their corner, especially Robbo.
When it comes to News ltd wanting to out "scope" Fairfax even robbo isn't going worry about his beloved Bombers. He just wants to beat the likes of Caro.
Wonder what jimmy Hird thinks now ;D
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Is it just us or does the entire community now see James Hird as the pathetic leader of men he is ?
It's blueprint stuff.
Relation of former club champions and past champion himself receives prestigious coaching job without having had to prove himself as a coach.
Lives a charmed existence and believes he can do what he wants when he wants... To WHO he wants.
Finally time catches up and the prick is confronted.
He shows his TRUE colors when in survival mode
The man of men, exhibits only cowardice and self preservation kicks in.
No admission of wrong doing whatsoever.
He should be booed and hav things thrown at him when he returns to coaching.
Opposition supporters should not attend Essendon matches.
Vote with your $. Something the afl corporation will understand.
I hope that Caro keeps the flame on high until such a time
James Hird. Admit your a dog and then just leave.
Edit: you know the rules no proof don't post it :banghead
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Reminder again :banghead :banghead
Do not post rumours or accusations about people where you don't have proof or you cannot supply proof that would stand up in a court of law.
We have asked far too many times for people to respect this. We cannot stress the importance of it.
We also know people think we over react to these sorts of things but we know from experience that forums like this are monitored.
For folks who don't believe it. It is just over 12 months ago that we were facing legal action for something that and been posted on this site 18 months earlier.
It was messy, stressful, time consuming and extremely difficult to deal with but none the less vindication that our actions in dealing with these types of posts is spot on.
So again please no posting of unfounded accusations on OER
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Would u really want me to post evidence ?
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:yep
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Would u really want me to post evidence ?
No and you know why. :cheers
So keep it off the forum
Also, because you know we'd still be liable for big trouble
Take it to the papers (perhaps Caro ;D) & see if they'd be interested :)
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:yep
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Have to laugh at the bombers being upset at the HUN.
They obviously thought after 2013 that HUN was in their corner, especially Robbo.
When it comes to News ltd wanting to out "scope" Fairfax even robbo isn't going worry about his beloved Bombers. He just wants to beat the likes of Caro.
Wonder what jimmy Hird thinks now ;D
This is Essendon PR imo, watch the sob stories robbo and co will spin at the HUN for the next few months depicting the named players as heroes and what not.
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Oh the poor players.....for being named....
Its always about peripheral issues like the media, the investigation, the reaction by other parties. If the club and players didnt do what they are alleged to have done, there would be no peripheral issues in the first place.
Nobody at the club wants to take responsibility.
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Reminder again :banghead :banghead
Do not post rumours or accusations about people where you don't have proof or you cannot supply proof that would stand up in a court of law.
We have asked far too many times for people to respect this. We cannot stress the importance of it.
We also know people think we over react to these sorts of things but we know from experience that forums like this are monitored.
For folks who don't believe it. It is just over 12 months ago that we were facing legal action for something that and been posted on this site 18 months earlier.
It was messy, stressful, time consuming and extremely difficult to deal with but none the less vindication that our actions in dealing with these types of posts is spot on.
So again please no posting of unfounded accusations on OER
What was that rumour
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Only person to twice be charged with bringing the game into disrepute being disreputable
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:yep
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Shaun Hampson better not read this thread
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James Hird and David Evans are mates with a convicted drug dealer and bought peptides from him!
Source: this photo, this article and the AFL PDF document 2013
(http://images.smh.com.au/2013/04/19/4206821/art_w_chalmers_2004-620x349.jpg)
http://www.smh.com.au/national/football-insider-lifts-lid-on-drugs-20130419-2i606.html
With what is already on the public record, let's face it there is not much that Ox could have said that would further defame the golden boy.
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Shaun Hampson better not read this thread
He can't read, clearly, although if he could, t'would be irrelevant in regards to what I had inferred.
:angel:
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Is the poo about to hit the fan and Andy throwing in the towel? :shh
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:lol
http://m.cricket.com.au/news-list/2014/3/3/stephen-dank-lines-up-work-in-womens-ipl
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Sam edmund is a poor journalist. While says thymosin is alpha is indeed not banned. He fails used for people will cancer and aids
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Is the poo about to hit the fan and Andy throwing in the towel? :shh
If vlad can crap on about 'there is no tanking' while giving out million dollar fines. You'd have to thinks there is a rather dark cloud on the horizon to give it away
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The ACC.
WTF are they trying to say?
The committee was also told the ACC also said it was no longer running a specific operation into drugs in sport, but continued to monitor the trade.
Judith Lind, executive director of the ACC’s strategy and specialist capabilities, said the organisation welcomed the increased monitoring and compliances by sporting codes in relation to injectables, and the move by NSW to criminalise the trafficking of drugs banned by the World Anti-Doping Authority (WADA).
She said its monitoring of the trafficking of performance and image-enhancing drugs was because organised crime groups, “particularly outlaw motorcycle gangs”, had been notorious for their interest in the steroid markets.
“PIEDs is just an element of our ongoing monitoring,’’ Ms Lind said.
“They continue to maintain and see opportunities in relation to the trafficking of the PIED drugs, and it’s in that framework we continue to monitor changes in those markets.’’
From:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/criminals-have-better-computers-than-australian-crime-commission-parliamentary-committee-hears/story-fni0fee2-1226846337389
Reminder: If you are going to post articles from any other web-sites you must supply the link
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You can't take much out of pre-season games but "No drugs, No Bummers"
They looked slow, weak and unfit. :whistle :whistle
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Cold turkeys
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They looked slow, weak and unfit. :whistle :whistle
So did we in the first game. If you can believe Bummer Thompson, they are coming off a heavy training phase and that's what was rumoured about us a couple of weeks back.
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They looked slow, weak and unfit. :whistle :whistle
If you can believe Bummer Thompson
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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:lol :thumbsup
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Thompson appears to have aged 20 years over the pre-season....looks older than Malthouse now....
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you can get injections to help with that
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More likely he has had them over the years and they're starting to wear off.....
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Well....that was a somewhat ironic and rather painful snip....
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EFC meets Moving Pictures' "What about me!".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF1SbZ9cjNs
Especially the queue part at 1.50 :lol.
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heppel had a nice set of chest puppies :lol
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heppel had a nice set of chest puppies :lol
That's a fair mullet on Dank to :o
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6FO-P2MXOUk
Lost my poo @ charters
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Completely lost it at Andy D on the drums then Mike Fizzerpatrick on base guitar ;D
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*bass
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Ha ha ha! Demetriou on the drums! :lol
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6FO-P2MXOUk
Lost my poo @ charters
Not changing the audio to match the names = fail.
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One guy on BF says infractions will be handed out to two Essendon players this week.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/one-year-on-feb-7-anybody-still-think-infractions-are-coming.1046921/page-40#post-31995251
Take the news as you wish.....
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Only 2?
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Two p week
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Only 2?
But if one was to be handed to a Brownlow Medallist?
Then that would be a bigger story than if 20 blokes on the lower end of a list was ;D
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Disagree. Only banning two would be weak as pee
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Disagree. Only banning two would be weak as pee
Not disputing that
Look I've always believed that infractions notices should be issued to any player where it's proven beyond any doubt that they took illegal substances
But if that turns out no to be the case which would be WRONG then I reckon an infraction notice issued against the biggest fish would be a better than 10 notice against no names.
BTW I've also always believed that Jobe would in massive strife after his "admission" on "On the Couch" last year
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So long as society boos, hisses, spurs and calls the dogs every time they see an Essendon player, coach or official, it's a moral victory for us.
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WP I guess the stumbling block in all this will be,"proven beyond doubt"
if there is any doubt then, should the players be guilty?
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WP I guess the stumbling block in all this will be,"proven beyond doubt"
if there is any doubt then, should the players be guilty?
WADA dont require ""proven beyond doubt"
Unlike law and order, a lesser level of guilt is require for bans. No "proven beyond doubt"
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a lesser level of guilt?
welcome to the brave new world?
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WP I guess the stumbling block in all this will be,"proven beyond doubt"
if there is any doubt then, should the players be guilty?
I cannot see them issuing infraction notices against players where there is no "evidence" of what those players were given, that's what I mean by beyond doubt. Whether we like it or not in some cases that is what has happened . You have players clueless with regard to what they were given which is stupid on their part but the case none the less. Then you have an incompetent organisation that kept no records of their program.
So based on that and based on a hunch that I believe ASADA/WADA won't issue notices if they think a person can an appeal and can be won then I reckon some players won't get infraction notices
WP I guess the stumbling block in all this will be,"proven beyond doubt"
if there is any doubt then, should the players be guilty?
WADA dont require ""proven beyond doubt"
Unlike law and order, a lesser level of guilt is require for bans. No "proven beyond doubt"
See above
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a lesser level of guilt?
welcome to the brave new world?
not being a smart as but WADA dont need "prove beyond reasonable doubt" ala the American system.
A 'level' or two less is all that is required to ban drug cheats
I would assume this is due to drug cheats often having drugs/techniques more advanced than the testing systems
ill try to find the link
cannot see them issuing infraction notices against players where there is no "evidence" of what those players were given,
I dont think its going to be a situation where they have "no evidence"
Whether we like it or not in some cases that is what has happened . You have players clueless with regard to what they were given which is stupid on their part but the case none the less. Then you have an incompetent organisation that kept no records of their program.
So based on that and based on a hunch that I believe ASADA/WADA won't issue notices if they think a person can an appeal and can be won then I reckon some players won't get infraction notices
I reckon you are mixing your own personal views with the actual rules in place...
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http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/bill_em/asaaab2013545/memo_3.html
Article 14(2) of the ICCPR states that everyone charged with a criminal offence shall have
the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law. The right to
presumption of innocence is also a fundamental common law principle.
Laws which shift the burden of proof to the defendant can be considered a limitation of the
presumption of innocence. This is because a defendants failure to discharge a burden of
proof or prove an absence of fault may permit their conviction despite reasonable doubt as to
their guilt. This includes where an evidential or legal burden of proof is placed on a
defendant.
A Bill may operate to limit the right to be presumed innocent through imposing an evidential
burden on the defendant in relation to a range of matters. When a defendant bears an
evidential burden in relation to an exception, it means that the defendant bears the burden of
adducing or pointing to evidence that suggests a reasonable possibility that the exception is
made out. If this is done, the prosecution must refute the exception beyond reasonable doubt.
Under the Bill, and in accordance with the World Anti-Doping Code (the Code), the burden
of proof for establishing an anti-doping rule violation remains with ASADA. The Code
states that:
The A nti-Doping Organisation shall have the burden of establishing that an anti-doping
rule violation has occurred. The standard of proof shall be whether the A nti-Doping
Organisation has established an anti-doping rule violation to the comfortable satisfaction of
the hearing panel bearing in mind the seriousness of the allegation which is made. This
standard of proof in all cases is greater than a mere balance of probability but less than proof
beyond a reasonable doubt.
The Code operates under the principle of strict liability. Under the strict liability principle, an
athlete is responsible, and an anti-doping rule violation occurs, whenever a prohibited
substance is found in an athletes sample.
A brave new world, indeed.
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not being a smart as but WADA dont need "prove beyond reasonable doubt" ala the American system.
I am well aware of how the WADA and ASADA rules work
I reckon you are mixing your own personal views with the actual rules in place...
As I said I am well aware of the rules and how they work
But I am also entitled to give an opinion on what I think may happen ;D
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Essendon players at their 'worst point', says Matthew Lloyd
Jon Pierik
The Age
March 11, 2014
Just days out from the start of the AFL season, Essendon great Matthew Lloyd has revealed Bombers' players involved in the supplements saga are mentally at their "worst point".
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Agency has said the investigation into what went on at the club through 2012 is complete but retired Federal Court judge Garry Downe is now reviewing the briefs.
This means officials and players, including at least 10 still at the club who believed they were administered either Thymosin, of which there are legal and illegal varieties, the banned anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 or both, face a nervous wait.
Lloyd said the well-being of players has also been impacted by the decision of News Corp newspapers to publish the names of 14 players, including two who are now at other AFL clubs and two who are no longer in the elite system, who suspect they may have been injected with illegal drugs.
The former champion forward and captain said, in terms of mental well-being, players and their families were at "their worst point".
"No doubt. Guys that I have seen as laid-back guys within football and life, I have never seen them so worked up," Lloyd said.
"Players have been linked to things that they took that they are unsure whether they actually took themselves. I think what they are upset about - it's been 14 months since this first broke.
"When is the AFL and ASADA actually going to take responsibility for the mental health of these players?"
Asked by Garry Lyon on Nine's Footy Classified on Monday night whether he was "fearful for any of these players", Lloyd replied: "I am - or a family member. I am not saying the actual players but I am just thinking: 'When do you think about these players who put trust in things and look to wrap these things up?' Fourteen months, that's too long."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-players-at-their-worst-point-says-matthew-lloyd-20140311-hvh9b.html#ixzz2vd4mv1NJ
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Fourteen months? That's still shorter than the amount of time they were taking the drugs LMAO
stew in your poo
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stew in your poo
:lol love that one :clapping
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"When is the AFL and ASADA actually going to take responsibility for the mental health of these players?"
oh my goodness. Good point Matty. The players have been brave. So brave. Is anyone thinking about the Essendon players human rights?
When will the EFC players take responsibility for the chemicals they inject? :whistle
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"When is the AFL and ASADA actually going to take responsibility for the mental health of these players?"
:ROTFL
Like asking police, judge and jury to take responsibility of the mental health of a murderer
Geez gen Y cracks me up. I know Lloyd is prob more gen x but gee whiz take some self responsibility you spoilt shites
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That comment = Society as it is today
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(http://syn.org.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/node-gallery-display/395080-julian-burnside.jpg)
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(http://syn.org.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/node-gallery-display/395080-julian-burnside.jpg)
JB looks a though he is thinking "What have I done?" :help
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That comment = Society as it is today
Everyone bangs on about their human, legal etc rights but play dumb about their responsibilities as an adult
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"When is the AFL and ASADA actually going to take responsibility for the mental health of these players?"
:ROTFL
Like asking police, judge and jury to take responsibility of the mental health of a murderer
Geez gen Y cracks me up. I know Lloyd is prob more gen x but gee whiz take some self responsibility you spoilt pooes
:huh
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Reports on Twitter saying ASADA to issue Dank with a show cause notice
@ringsau: CH9 report that Dank has (finally) received a disclosure notice from ASADA to answer questions relating to "34 violations". 1/3
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So brave :'(
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Reports on Twitter saying ASADA to issue Dank with a show cause notice
@ringsau: CH9 report that Dank has (finally) received a disclosure notice from ASADA to answer questions relating to "34 violations". 1/3
FSN saying the same.
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Reports on Twitter saying ASADA to issue Dank with a show cause notice
@ringsau: CH9 report that Dank has (finally) received a disclosure notice from ASADA to answer questions relating to "34 violations". 1/3
FSN saying the same.
Sydney Morning Herald quotes Dank's barrister as confirming they have received a show-cause letter for 34 items relating to his time at Essendon. Barrister implying that ASADA had led him to believe that they would issue infractions, not a show-cause.
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So brave. All of them. :'(
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ASADA summons Stephen Dank
Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
March 13, 2014 7:31 PM
THE AUSTRALIAN Sports Anti-Doping authority has finally caught up with Stephen Dank.
The former Essendon sports scientist, who has so far refused to be interviewed by ASADA, has received a show cause letter to answer 34 allegations under the anti-doping code.
Dank's barrister Greg Stanton confirmed his client has received the documentation. Dank's legal team is now weighing up its next move.
"[Our] next comment is 'so what?' In legal terms it has no force of its own," Stanton told AFL.com.au.
"[It's] drafted in complicated and complex terms."
Dank has up to 10 days to demonstrate why further action should not be taken. If he chooses not to respond, the case will be back in ASADA's hands.
The biochemist also had significant involvement with NRL club Cronulla but it's understood all of the alleged incidents mentioned in the letter relate to Dank's work at Essendon.
Stanton insisted Dank was not fazed by the news.
"He's not adversely affected at all," he said.
But AFL.com.au understands Dank is furious about the information becoming public and has tasked his legal team with getting to the bottom of the leak.
It's believed Dank received the letter two days ago.
"The reporting that ASADA has issued a show cause letter to Stephen Dank is most significant in this ongoing matter of whether athletes were involved in using performance enhancing drugs or not," former ASADA boss Richard Ings told AFL.com.au.
Dank has been booked as a guest to appear at a fundraiser next week for the Riddell Football Club.
Suspended Essendon coach James Hird and his family are due to fly out to Paris, where he will study at an elite university.
ASADA and Essendon have declined to comment.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-03-13/asada-summons-dank
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In other news via the footy show, Hird reckons he'll be back in the coaches' box next to Bomber Thompson after his suspension is over in August but that Thompson is the coach for 2014.
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andrew demetriou
disappointing and unfair on these young men
:rollin :rollin
(ABC radio quote)
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So brave :'(
:huh
This is a positive!
You keep quoting me the WADA/ASADA rules Bents, you shouild know what this means
A "show cause letter" means basically that Dank has a opportunity to show why infraction notices shouldn't be issued. It suggests that ASADA have uncovered enough evidence that shows there have been a number of breaches. :clapping
Dank has already said he wants to help the Essendon players because they've done nothing wrong; now's his chance to prove it. Which all know he won't...so.... next step will be infraction notices
Thank you Richard Ings for explaining it so clearly on SEN this morning :clapping
:bow :bow Richard Ings :thumbsup
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Yep Dank has already signed a stat dec stating he doesn't have any documentation, so he cant produce any evidence to dispel the forthcoming infraction notices.
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God, I hate James Hird.
30% for what he's done and 70% for being such a coward.
I hope the rest of the country recognises it.
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God, I hate James Hird.
30% for what he's done and 70% for being such a coward.
I hope the rest of the country recognises it.
Thats about where its at for mine - 30/70.
70% for being a kiniving gutless *****
Then theres the conga line of suck holes aroung him, and the fans
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Yeh.
The fringe players and supporters are morons.
Gotta collectively be the lowest IQ in the comp.
perhaps any sport.
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Former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank will be asked about a banned peptide but not AOD-9604
Herald-Sun
March 15, 2014
ASADA’S show-cause letter to Stephen Dank deals in part with the alleged administration of several banned supplements to Essendon players.
Among the drugs referred to in the show-cause letter handed to Dank’s lawyers is the banned peptide Thymosin Beta-4, the possible use of which was a focus in the AFL’s charges against Essendon and ASADA’s interim report last year.
The letter does not refer to contentious drug AOD-9604.
Dank, Essendon’s former sports scientist, has consistently denied ever giving players banned drugs and has indicated he will pursue legal redress rather than respond to the show-cause letter.
The anti-doping body has asked Dank to explain 34 potential non-presence anti-doping rule violations, some of which also pertain to supply and administration to Essendon staff.
But a source close to the case said it did not follow that there was enough specific evidence to warrant action against individual Bombers.
Fox Footy's AFL 360 co-host Mark Robinson thinks the 'show cause' letter issued to Stephen Dank could be a significant moment in ASADA's investigation.
AFL boss Andrew Demetriou said he felt for the players, who are just six days from their season-opening clash with North Melbourne.
“It would be almost impossible to make yourself immune to what’s going on around you, of course it would have some effect,” Demetriou said.
Dank’s lawyers described the show-cause letter as a fishing expedition sent in lieu of an interview.
It comprises of a series of questions about Dank’s conduct at his time at Essendon from late 2011 to late 2012.
Among the substances referred to in the letter are Fibroblast Growth Factors; Mechano Growth Factor; Human Growth Hormone; Hexarelin; SARMS and Thymosin Beta-4.
Dank has 10 days from receipt of the notice to give a written submission answering the 34 points, or put in writing that he has waived his right of reply.
It is understood Dank’s lawyers intend to contest the validity of the show-cause notice and other aspects of the investigation.
Young Essendon star Dyson Heppell isn't concerned for his future health, despite being named as one of 12 players in the ASADA report into Essendon's 2012 supplement program.
There is also a legal question about whether — as a contracted consultant — Dank strictly fits into the category of a support person for the purposes of applying the AFL’s Anti-Doping Code.
If Dank does not respond to ASADA, the body can recommend the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel consider putting him on the Register of Findings, resulting in the AFL issuing an infraction notice and — theoretically, at least — convening an AFL tribunal to hear the case and decide penalties.
Court action could derail that process at several stages.
Demetriou, against whom Dank’s lawyers are still considering defamation action, said it was “long overdue” that questions has been asked of Dank.
“It’s disappointing it’s happening on the eve of the season, I would have preferred it being sent earlier but it is what it is and it’s not a surprise,” he said on 3AW.
“We’ve welcomed the appointment of Federal Court judge Garry Downes, his role is to expedite the process and bring finality to this issue and his timetable is the end of April and it would appear he’s working towards that and I think that’s good for everybody.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/former-essendon-sports-scientist-stephen-dank-will-be-asked-about-a-banned-peptide-but-not-aod9604/story-fndv8gad-1226855098583
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John Fahey says AFL drug notices coming
Samantha Lane
The Age
March 14, 2014
The World Anti-Doping Agency's former president, John Fahey, says he believes there is now "sufficient information" for infraction notices to be issued "against a number of people" involved in Essendon's 2011-12 supplements program.
In his strongest public statements yet on the AFL case, the agency boss of the past six years, whose term ended in November, has told Fairfax Media it is "irrefutable that there was a problem" at Essendon.
To the chagrin of the AFL, the case that spoilt 2013 has intensified again on the eve of a new season, with sports scientist Stephen Dank, who directed programs at Essendon and the NRL's Cronulla receiving a "show cause" letter from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
ASADA is believed to have levelled allegations of 34 breaches against Dank over his work at Essendon.
Mr Fahey said that "only the complete evaluation, and then hearing under the WADA rules" will determine whether Essendon footballers committed anti-doping-rule violations. The former New South Wales premier said he remains bewildered that the Essendon case has not been investigated by WorkSafe Victoria. ASADA has not issued show-cause or infraction notices to AFL players or support personnel, but Mr Fahey said this was inevitable.
"In generic terms, I have been led to believe that there is sufficient information there that would lead to infraction notices being issued against a number of people," he said.
"The individuals I don't know. The numbers I don't know. Nor do I need to. Nor do I want to.
"Now they've [ASADA] got to, of course, before issuing those notices, satisfy themselves that the evidence will be sufficient to stand up. But my understanding was that it was heading in that direction."
"Something happened that involved substances that clearly were prohibited. There's no doubt they were prohibited."
Asked about Jobe Watson's comments on television last year when Essendon's Brownlow medallist captain said he believed he was given AOD-9604 in the supplements program, but had been assured it was legal, Mr Fahey declined to discuss individuals.
The status of anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 has been widely debated, but WADA's position is fixed. "I have absolutely no doubt that it's a banned substance", Mr Fahey said.
WADA can intervene in anti-doping matters once a national anti-doping body formalises a case.
In a written response to questions, WADA director-general David Howman said the authority would "continue to watch with interest" the most sensational anti-doping case to hit Australian sport.
"From our point of view the investigation by ASADA is still not complete," he said.
"To ensure the integrity of the process is maintained, and given WADA's right of appeal once the process is complete, we cannot comment further at this stage."
Mr Howman said WADA's view is that "ASADA has carried out its investigation pursuant to the Code". Fahey has expressed similar confidence in the government-funded body and its outgoing CEO Aurora Andruska who leaves ASADA in May, while others have criticised the authority for acting too slowly.
"They should be given the room to deal with it in an orderly fashion, whatever that means in terms of time," Mr Fahey said.
"The whole world's got their eyes on Australia", and confirmed that message had been impressed on federal Sport Minister Peter Dutton when Mr Fahey and Mr Howman met with the minister last October.
When it emerged last month that Andruska would soon leave ASADA, Mr Fahey endorsed her work but lamented she had encountered what he termed "bully boys" in pursuing the AFL and NRL cases.
Mr Fahey said he had no issue with highly sensitive information being shared between the AFL and ASADA in last year's joint investigation into Essendon between the bodies. However he said it was not helpful to ASADA that a written update requested by the AFL that was delivered last August was labeled the interim "ASADA report".
"It wasn't," Fahey said. "It was a document for AFL use only under their code of conduct as I understand it."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/john-fahey-says-afl-drug-notices-coming-20140314-34sfz.html
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Dermie to robbo
I don't know hoe any wife's and kids need peptides
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lolz how ridiculous did Robbo sound?
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absolutely ridiculous
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James Hird has to be the most selfish prick in AFL history. Fancy coming out on the eve of the season and saying he's counting down the days till he returns to the Essendon coaches box. Can't wait to coach them again blah blah.
Well done James , I'm sure that's exacly what Bomber Thompson and 'his' players wanted to hear right before round 1.
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James Hird has to be the most selfish prick in AFL history. Fancy coming out on the eve of the season and saying he's counting down the days till he returns to the Essendon coaches box. Can't wait to coach them again blah blah.
Well done James , I'm sure that's exacly what Bomber Thompson and 'his' players wanted to hear right before round 1.
Narcissistic prick
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I was equally staggered by one of Bomber Thompson's comments in his presser yesterday when he was asked about Hird and one of his answers included that Hird "recovering" well
Recovering from what exactly? :banghead :banghead
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I was equally staggered by one of Bomber Thompson's comments in his presser yesterday when he was asked about Hird and one of his answers included that Hird "recovering" well
Recovering from what exactly? :banghead :banghead
I would imagine a bit of stress.
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Damaged ego.
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I was equally staggered by one of Bomber Thompson's comments in his presser yesterday when he was asked about Hird and one of his answers included that Hird "recovering" well
Recovering from what exactly? :banghead :banghead
I would imagine a bit of stress.
:gobdrop :gobdrop
Are you serious?
Any stress he may or may not be feeling is of his own making.
His continued failure to take any responsibility for his actions and what he did at the EFC with introducing that supplements program while sooking that everyone is out to get him is not any ones fault but his
He gets no sympathy from me and I doubt he gets any from the majority of footy fans who are appalled by his behaviour
Froars summerd it up perfectly :clapping :clapping
Narcissistic prick
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Damaged ego.
+ urinary tract
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I was equally staggered by one of Bomber Thompson's comments in his presser yesterday when he was asked about Hird and one of his answers included that Hird "recovering" well
Recovering from what exactly? :banghead :banghead
Do you get the feeling there are factions at work WP ? I sense something in Bomber's tone when he talks about the coaching ' agreement '
I reckon Bomber wants to keep coaching...and coaching Essendon !
There must be a few backroom boys who would rather stick with Thompson too ?
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Infraction notice no the day of hirds return from ban would beta giggle
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I was equally staggered by one of Bomber Thompson's comments in his presser yesterday when he was asked about Hird and one of his answers included that Hird "recovering" well
Recovering from what exactly? :banghead :banghead
I would imagine a bit of stress.
:gobdrop :gobdrop
Are you serious?
Any stress he may or may not be feeling is of his own making.
His continued failure to take any responsibility for his actions and what he did at the EFC with introducing that supplements program while sooking that everyone is out to get him is not any ones fault but his
He gets no sympathy from me and I doubt he gets any from the majority of footy fans who are appalled by his behaviour
Froars summerd it up perfectly :clapping :clapping
Narcissistic prick
Didn't say it wasn't (of his doing)
But I can't help feel sorry for people like James who are so deluded.
:cheers
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Didn't say it wasn't (of his doing)
But I can't help feel sorry for people like James who are so deluded.
:cheers
Hird is the last person in the world anyone should feel sorry for
His delusions are of his own self importance, innocence and supposed persecution and shouldn't promote any form sympathy
There are plenty of deluded folks out there, just need to read the newspapers everyday to see that ... you actually you post about it in the political thread and you certainly don't appear to feel sorry for those deluded folks :whistle ;)
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Didn't say it wasn't (of his doing)
But I can't help feel sorry for people like James who are so deluded.
:cheers
Hird is the last person in the world anyone should feel sorry for
His delusions are of his own self importance, innocence and supposed persecution and shouldn't promote any form sympathy
There are plenty of deluded folks out there, just need to read the newspapers everyday to see that ... you actually you post about it in the political thread and you certainly don't appear to feel sorry for those deluded folks :whistle ;)
How could you not feel sorry for Tony Abbott?
:lol
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HHAHAHAHAHAh OMFG that is funny LMFAOOOOOOO YEAAAAAHHHHHH.
Stay on topic. I don't like Essendon although Michael Hurley is better than Ty Vickery
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Damaged ego.
+ urinary tract
Heard they can cure that with an injection. A pill if you're scared of needles.
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Damaged ego.
+ urinary tract
As the old saying goes, peeing razor blades.
Too many close shaves for the ego me thinks
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Tania Hird lets fly again
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-to-discuss-james-hirds-future-at-club-after-wife-tanias-explosive-allegations-about-andrew-demetriou/story-fni5f6kv-1226860613905 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-to-discuss-james-hirds-future-at-club-after-wife-tanias-explosive-allegations-about-andrew-demetriou/story-fni5f6kv-1226860613905)
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Tania Hird lets fly again
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-to-discuss-james-hirds-future-at-club-after-wife-tanias-explosive-allegations-about-andrew-demetriou/story-fni5f6kv-1226860613905 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-to-discuss-james-hirds-future-at-club-after-wife-tanias-explosive-allegations-about-andrew-demetriou/story-fni5f6kv-1226860613905)
Funny stuff in their espeically "Eddie's bold prediction" that Hird wont coach the Bumblings again
As for Tammy oops I mean Tania, makes a statement, gets asked a question about her statement and answers with "I'm not at liberty to say" :banghead please give me a break... then why say anything at all ::) ::)
2 interviews this week by the Team Hird propaganda machine of which the timing can only be described as appalling.
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2 interviews this week by the Team Hird propaganda machine of which the timing can only be described as appalling.
It is ! How selfish is Hird ? I seriously can't believe that bloke.
I posed the question earlier in this thread as to whether there were factions at work at Essendon. Now I'm 100% certain there are.
Bomber wants to coach Essendon permanently and I don't reckon he thinks Hird should be coming back in any capacity. And I don't think he's the only one at Essendon who believes this is the way forward.
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You can't polish a Hurd.
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The Bumbers might have to send Benjamin L. Willard over to France on a mission to kill the renegade and presumed insane Colonel Walter E. Hird :lol
Esspocalypse Now
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I like watching cosmetically enhanced women try and talk.
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I like watching cosmetically enhanced women try and talk.
I think you'll find that was a robotic horse that had spent the morning getting prepped at White Dove Funeral Care
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I like watching cosmetically enhanced women try and talk.
I think you'll find that was a robotic horse that had spent the morning getting prepped at White Dove Funeral Care
;D
But what of the children?
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Children of the Corn
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My hero >>
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/12/11/1226781/056925-62f04cea-6233-11e3-ad1b-696213ec8380.jpg)
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Cotchin's wife in 20 years
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Gotta love Caro............ ;D .................. a massive WHACK :clapping :clapping
Bigger Kudos for not changing her stance on this from day 1 :bow :bow
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Bombers need to sever ties with James Hird
March 21, 2014 - 12:27PM
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age
The inescapable conclusion from Tania Hird’s ill-timed 7.30 Report attack upon the AFL was that the Essendon Football Club can never truly put the past behind it until it severs its ties with James Hird.
Not as a club legend and not as a favourite son although the scars will take years to heal before Essendon people will forgive his selfish and cavalier treatment of both the club and the players he promised to protect by becoming their senior mentor. But Hird is finished as Essendon’s coach.
Essendon must sack him and accelerate what has been a lumbering attempt to rebuild the club, which still has no chief executive, no football operations boss and a caretaker coach. Mark Thompson has been saying for at least a month to some confidantes that Hird would not return.
On Friday morning, the day of the Bombers’ season-opening game - Thompson and his assistants believed Hird faced the sack and that the decision could come before the weekend. The view of this columnist has always been that he would not return to coach next season.
Chairman Paul Little must move because Hird cannot meet his promise to put the club first. His private stand has been one of bitterness and anger and while his friends and supporters at Essendon - notably stand-in CEO Xavier Campbell - insist he has moved on and is at peace with his fate, this is not the case.
Little had already suspected as much. Hird’s appearance on his club’s Fox Footy show The Hangar was self-serving and clearly came at his insistence. Having already unofficially warned the James Hird camp to stop undermining Essendon’s 2014 season, the furious Bombers’ chairman and his board was early on Friday examining the club’s legal position following Mrs Hird’s Thursday night ABC TV attack upon the AFL and her insistence her husband had done nothing wrong but had agreed to be a scapegoat following threats and bullying.
While it remained unclear whether Hird, through his wife, had breached his contractual agreement with Essendon - which re-signed him until the end of 2016 before he agreed to cease his legal proceedings - Little and his board must cut their losses.
The chairman has cut Hird so much slack, having paid him for 2014 against the AFL’s wishes and largely funded his family’s French sabbatical, but there was always going to be the moment the Hird camp, in return, pushed Little too far.
The signs on Friday were that Tania Hird’s interview, which blindsided the club, had done just that. Little, the Essendon fan, adored Hird and Little, the rebuilding chairman, believed Hird’s redemption was crucial to Essendon’s brand, but he remains an astute and tough negotiator and now it seems even Essendon fans have turned on Hird in disturbingly significant numbers. Perhaps moving upon Hird now will be less harmful to the club’s membership than Little had feared.
Little has always insisted that Hird would be Essendon’s coach again after he served his suspension so it is telling that on Triple M on Friday he could no longer guarantee that. The board was already disenchanted with the public utterings of Hird and his camp this year and another critical move by Tania was her suggestion that former chairman David Evans had coached Hird to omit evidence in his ASADA interview.
The Evans family must feel so betrayed by Hird, once David’s close friend. Tellingly, too, commissioner Bill Kelty broke his silence, defending Andrew Demetriou early on Friday on ABC 774, defending the AFL’s process last year and clarifying that it was his strong ties with Evans, not Hird, which saw him step away from the Essendon case. Kelty’s view that no person is bigger than a football club has not been understood by the Hirds.
Little told Fairfax Media in early February that Hird would return to the club a ‘‘better person’’ and that he needed to abandon his legal threats for the club to move forward. The view of the club then was that Hird needed to become his own man and stand on his own two feet. Telling, because our view has always been that Hird’s refusal to accept responsibility for the welfare failings of his football department in 2011 and 2012, has been fuelled disproportionately by his wife.
That became all too clear on Thursday night on the ABC. If Hird thought he was smart allowing his wife to speak for him then he has outsmarted himself. If Tania Hird thought it was smart to continue her campaign against Andrew Demetriou, then her focus only underlined her stupidity. That ship has sailed.
If Hird wanted to fight to clear his name - as was his right - he should have held firm last year. But if he still believes the senior coach of a football club is not responsible for the welfare of his players and if he still cannot see it was his responsibility to stop all those needles and mysterious and potentially dangerous drugs, then he does not deserve to be a part of the AFL
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-need-to-sever-ties-with-james-hird-20140321-hvl6y.html#ixzz2wYaZ0PKA
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essendon board on BF
yo dawg I herd you like delusion so we put delusion in your delusion so you can delusion while you delusion
nut bars
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Meanwhile Mr dank speaks and says there are detialed records which goes against what Bumblings have been saying ::)
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Stephen Dank insists no Essendon player will receive infraction notices over 2012 supplements program
by: Mark Robinson
•From: News Limited Network
•March 21, 2014 3:15PM
STEPHEN Dank has declared no Essendon player will receive infraction notices over the 2012 supplement program.
Speaking at a football club fundraiser at Crown, the former Essendon sports scientist said he did not inject banned drugs into any player and that the club had a detailed list of which player took what.
He said every drug/supplement was “very well managed and documented’’ and that the supplement program was known by everyone in the football department.
Dank said he would next speak about the events of 2011 and 2012 in the Federal Court, where he is taking action against various bodies, including the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
He did not discuss particular substances and said that he had to take responsibility, in part, for the supplement program but took no responsibility for the fallout.
MORE TO COME
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/stephen-dank-insists-no-essendon-player-will-receive-infraction-notices-over-2012-supplements-program/story-fni5f22o-1226861354753
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Surpised it took him all day to get one in for team hird
Blobbo going in to bat for his mate
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mark-robinson-writes-the-hird-outcry-is-a-repeat-of-old-news-and-feelings/story-fni5f0at-1226861648148 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mark-robinson-writes-the-hird-outcry-is-a-repeat-of-old-news-and-feelings/story-fni5f0at-1226861648148)
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The Hird clan can't shut up :sleep.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/lloyd-says-hird-safe-as-dad-fires-new-afl-salvo-20140322-hvlkv.html
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:lol
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:lol
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WGAF who vlad did / did not "tip off"
Deflection deflection delusion
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nah, if he did tip someone off then he is more corrupt that we thought and needs to be looked into.
but that does not detract from the issue a hand, just adds to it.
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Interesting how Dank submits that EFC knew who was receiving what, when and how much, yet EFC says they have no idea LOL.
You always knew they were full of it when they pulled that crap out...
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nah, if he did tip someone off then he is more corrupt that we thought and needs to be looked into.
but that does not detract from the issue a hand, just adds to it.
Not we
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ahh a vlad luver.
no wonder you want his role in this swept under the carpet
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The interesting thing about the alleged "tip off" that seem s to be getting ignored by the media is the fact that by continuing to make it Team Hird are not just accusing Andy D of lying.
They are accusing someone who was a very close family friend up until the middle of last year it seems of lying as well and that is David Evans
They are also (indirectly) accusing the ACC & ASADA of lying too. Both bodies said that no-one was told prior to that now imfamous "blackest day in sport" meeting of which clubs were involved... :whistle
So who's not telling the truth ;D
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ahh a vlad luver.
no wonder you want his role in this swept under the carpet
Missed the point
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D-day for Tania and James Hird
Jon Pierik
The Age
March 24, 2014 - 6:20PM
Tania Hird, the wife of suspended Essendon coach James, is expected to be hauled before the Essendon board on Wednesday and ordered to take a vow of silence to ensure her husband returns to the top job next season.
The Bombers’ directors met via telephone hook-up on Monday, with the future of James Hird on the line after Tania’s television interview last week, where she again took aim at AFL chief Andrew Demetriou, which prompted Essendon chairman Paul Little to not guarantee the banished coach would be back.
In a statement on Monday night, Essendon said: "The club wishes to advise the matter relating to James Hird has been referred to a board meeting on Wednesday. There'll be no further comment."
Little has already told James Hird to better control those around him.
Hird is in Singapore, en route to France, as part of a six-moth study tour, in part paid for by the Bombers. He is likely to front the board by skype and faces, at least, a severe reprimand.
Essendon great Matthew Lloyd declared on Saturday Hird would be welcomed back as coach, but Little and his board have yet to confirm this.
Hird’s father, Allan, maitained the family line in an interview with Fairfax Media on Sunday, describing Demetriou as a bully.
Tania Hird’s comments overshadowed the Bombers’ season-opening win over North Melbourne and Dustin Fletcher’s record-equalling games tally.
That the players are clearly enjoying playing under Mark Thompson, also a Bombers great and a two-time premiership coach, has also raised questions as to whether he should be offered the job long term.
The Bombers would face a pay out of more than $2 million should they sack Hird.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dday-for-tania-and-james-hird-20140324-hvmb2.html#ixzz2wsParcn6
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Tania is James's mouthpiece. The Whitehouse spokesman.
What a circus the Bombers are.
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That's ok they can sack him, the afl will pay him out as part of the equalisation mantra. "stuff up all you want, the afl will pay out contracts and help you reload and start over
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unless you are richmond, then we'll only give you enough cash for danny frawley
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That's ok they can sack him, the afl will pay him out as part of the equalisation mantra. "stuff up all you want, the afl will pay out contracts and help you reload and start over
A strong Essendon is good for the game
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That's ok they can sack him, the afl will pay him out as part of the equalisation mantra. "stuff up all you want, the afl will pay out contracts and help you reload and start over
A strong Essendon is good for the game
no it's not. Nothing good can come from those pencil dicks waving their scarves over their head like little children. Nothing!!
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At her almost daily presser out the front of her Toorak Mansion Tania has said she is "offended" and "not a piece of cattle" ;D
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Essendon board to meet on Wednesday to decide future of suspended coach James Hird
by: Michael Warner
From: Herald Sun
March 25, 2014 2:01PM
TANIA Hird says she is offended by reports she will be “hauled” before the Essendon board when it meets tomorrow night to discuss her husband’s coaching future.
It was reported last night that Tania would be summoned to explain her conduct in speaking out about the drugs scandal and ordered to take a vow of silence.
But the wife of suspended Essendon coach James Hird this morning hit out at the suggestions.
“I’m not a piece of cattle and I’m not an employee and I think it’s really offensive to suggest that I’d be hauled anywhere,” she said outside her Toorak home.
It is understood Tania had been open to the idea of meeting with club directors but took offence after it was leaked to the media and misconstrued as a club order.
James, who is studying in Singapore, will be grilled by the full Essendon board via speaker phone on Wednesday.
Club figures say he will not be sacked but strongly warned that further public airings related to his 12-month AFL suspension will cost him his job.
The gag order will extend to Tania and his legal team.
Full article:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-board-to-meet-on-wednesday-to-decide-future-of-suspended-coach-james-hird/story-fndv8gad-1226863563031
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It's pretty simple Tania, if you don't want to be treated like a piece of cattle then stop acting like a cow! :wallywink
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It's pretty simple Tania, if you don't want to be treated like a piece of cattle then stop acting like a cow! :wallywink
:clapping :clapping
:bow :bow
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She does look like a piece of meat.
Mutton.
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She does look like a piece of meat.
Mutton.
Dressed up as Lamb ;D
"MDUAL"
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Was thinking pork knuckle
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She does look like a piece of meat.
Mutton.
Dressed up as Lamb ;D
"MDUAL"
WP, you should not be so critical.
Tanya can't help it if she is as ugly as a batshit.
:lol
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It's pretty simple Tania, if you don't want to be treated like a piece of cattle then stop acting like a cow! :wallywink
:clapping :clapping
:bow :bow
Allegedly
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Andrew gaze lost the plot
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Was thinking pork knuckle
Or camel toe
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Andrew gaze lost the plot
what he say?
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Essentially afl disband association with WADA to accommodate Essendon mis behaviours and future doping scandals
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:thatsgold
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Was thinking pork knuckle
Or camel toe
Delicious
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Essentially afl disband association with WADA to accommodate Essendon mis behaviours and future doping scandals
Really, must have been listening to a different show/person on the wireless :-\
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Half woman half Pig. Womig.
With Botox
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What's the saying - "no individual is bigger than the club". Except if that club is Essendon :wallywink.
If you needed any further proof that the Hirds are selfish and only care about themselves then the past week is all the proof you need. A strong club would've sacked/let go any other coach by now for turning their club into one long circus. However, the Bombers' hierarchy is scared of the reaction from their feral fans and factions within their club if their cult leader is given the flick so I bet they'll wimp it today.
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Essentially afl disband association with WADA to accommodate Essendon mis behaviours and future doping scandals
Really, must have been listening to a different show/person on the wireless :-\
Well give us your summary supreme overlord pls
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Hirds are probably Freemasons.
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As long as he stays this will never go away.
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Why do people want it to go away
It's a good reminder that alleged drug cheats are allowed participate in the background of casserly saad charles etc. getting banned.
Better than the sweep it under the rug mentality
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Agree, I don't want this to go away until the full truth comes out and people get their right whack.
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Hirds are probably Freemasons.
most likely
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Are we likely to hear Robbo or Connolly bag the club for not sacking the most destructive influence ever to set foot at the club?
Matty Knights must be shaking his head in disbelief.
They reckon its not financial...... rubbish!
Whats funny is the amount of supporters including those in the media that are completely oblivious to the problems hes caused the club.
This club are a complete joke.
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I reckon a large reason they didn't sack him was because they couldn't afford it. Copping the fines, paying out Turd $1million and their Tullamarine redevelopment didn't they record a loss? They stupidly then extended Turd by 2 years and I bet they simply couldn't afford to cough up another $2million.
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Are we likely to hear Robbo or Connolly bag the club for not sacking the most destructive influence ever to set foot at the club?
Matty Knights must be shaking his head in disbelief.
They reckon its not financial...... rubbish!
Whats funny is the amount of supporters including those in the media that are completely oblivious to the problems hes caused the club.
This club are a complete joke.
It is a joke, ive noticed a lot of bombres fans are starting to trot out the theory that Demetriou purposely tipped them off and thus mislead them into self reporting so they could be the fall guy for 11 other clubs. FFS there is no end to their delusion.
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Hirds are probably Freemasons.
Doubt it Ox. Don't think they would do anything for free. Before too long he may end up being a Freecoach though.
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Whole thing is a joke. If it had been Richmond, the AFL would have crucified us
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Are we likely to hear Robbo or Connolly bag the club for not sacking the most destructive influence ever to set foot at the club?
Matty Knights must be shaking his head in disbelief.
They reckon its not financial...... rubbish!
Whats funny is the amount of supporters including those in the media that are completely oblivious to the problems hes caused the club.
This club are a complete joke.
It is a joke, ive noticed a lot of bombres fans are starting to trot out the theory that Demetriou purposely tipped them off and thus mislead them into self reporting so they could be the fall guy for 11 other clubs. FFS there is no end to their delusion.
I like it.
EFC in fact ARE the heroes / victims. So brave
Big bad ASADA/Afl, bullies
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They reckon its not financial...... rubbish!
Absolutely spot on
I can give 2 million reasons as to why commons sense tells you it is solely financial
Whole thing is a joke. If it had been Richmond, the AFL would have crucified us
No think you'll find the penalties would have been the same no matter which club. AFL would have done sort of deal. Recent history tells us that's what they do - look at Melb (tanking) & Adel (salary cap cheating)
Have to remember at this stage all the AFL have punished them (and I use that term loosely seeing the penalties weren't harsh enough) for is their governance issues. Haven't actually punished them for the supplements/drugs program because ASADA hadn't completed their investigations. ASADA are the ones that issue the infraction notices/breaches for the violations of the WADA code. The AFL then take over the hearings and the punishments
This isn't over yet, clock is ticking for Mr Dank who has until Friday to answer those "show cause" notices that were issued. Failure to do that (which is what will happen) means ASADA instigate the next process ;D
Hopefully with the ASADA findings to come there will be infraction notices and it will interesting to see what the EFC does if just one of their players receive an infraction notice, seriously what happens then? ;D
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Yeah they would never like ban a Richmond ruckman for drugs
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Yeah they would never like ban a Richmond ruckman for drugs
Poor comparison Bents and you know it.
Justin Charles failed a drug test and rightly got suspended
As it stands right now whether we like it or not not one Bomber player has tested positive for banned substances. That is the reason why at this stage none of them been handed penalties
The Essendon penalties handed down by the AFL are very different to the Charles case, they are not even remotely similar
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Barrett saying ASADA is working to a April 15 deadline. They are currently working through their list of each Essendon player under investigation.
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Essendon still in the land of delusion :facepalm ::) :nopity
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Essendon chairman Paul Little says self-reporting to ASADA may have been a mistake
Jay Clark
Herald Sun
April 25, 2014 1:02PM
ESSENDON chairman Paul Little has conceded the Bombers may have made a grave mistake self-reporting concerns about its supplement program.
Essendon was hit with a raft of penalties last year after inviting the AFL and ASADA to investigate its controversial injecting program under Stephen Dank.
But in another twist to the ongoing saga today, Little said “maybe self-reporting didn’t work all that well for us”.
“We gave away all of our leverage, we gave away all of our rights to control a situation,” Little said on Triple M.
“I think whilst self-reporting allowed the various authorities that needed to get involved, it gave them an unfettered access to the football club, to individuals and to everything else.
“I just think it could perhaps have overly-complicated a process that didn’t need to be quite that complicated.”
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/essendon-chairman-paul-little-says-selfreporting-to-asada-may-have-been-a-mistake/story-e6frf3e3-1226895931447?from=public_rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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wow
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The stupidity in Little's statement is that if they hadn't 'self-reported' then they would be even more right royally screwed than they are now. It's as if the Windy Hill whackos still think they could have gotten away with it without anyone finding out what they were doing :facepalm.
On the positive side though, this may mean Little now knows what the final ASADA report says and it's not good news for the Dons as far as upcoming infractions.
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They did not self report (IMO
:shh
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They did not self report (IMO
:shh
:clapping
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Whack whack whack.
AFL needs to let ASADA punish these morons.
With ticketing prices, low crowds and blowout results the sport needs to regain some credibility one would hope. I hope they get their right royal whack. ;D
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They did not self report (IMO
:shh
Correct. Vlad told them they must report. No choice.
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This is just taking too long.
I hate these mofos.
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The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority’s inquiry into the use of prohibited substances in two football codes is on the cusp of a staggering climax as 17 players from Cronulla’s 2011 squad and as many as 40 from AFL team Essendon face possible sanctions.
In a precursor to a potential doomsday scenario for the two clubs at the centre of the more than year-long investigation, both stand to be decimated if the alleged breaches go on to result in two-year bans for dozens of their players.
It is believed ASADA, whose new chief executive Ben McDevitt begins in the post on Monday, is ready to issue show-cause letters as early as this week.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/dozens-of-players-across-two-codes-face-penalties-over-doping-20140511-zr9rg.html#ixzz31QByrXo1
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Caro on 3aw yesterday said it's going to be sorted out in the next 14 days and she thinks at least 6 players are in big trouble.
On Friday, they played an audio clip of, I think, the new ASADA boss and he stated quite emphatically that the player is ultimately responsible for what enters his body.
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Radio said 40 essendon show cause notices :h :yep
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Radio said 40 essendon show cause notices :h :yep
Yep lead story in the Age Sport today :thumbsup
Will be an interesting fortnight ;D
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Radio said 40 essendon show cause notices :h :yep
Yep lead story in the Age Sport today :thumbsup
Will be an interesting fortnight ;D
Yesssssssss :clapping
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If 40 of them get done who do we play?
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Here's the article ...
D-Day looming for up to 40 Bombers
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dday-looming-for-up-to-40-bombers-20140511-383xn.html
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If 40 of them get done who do we play?
Essendon Ammos. They'll still be right in it up until halfway through the last quarter.
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If 40 of them get done who do we play?
Essendon Ammos. They'll still be right in it up until halfway through the last quarter.
Before they pull away for an easy win?
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Does that 40 include support staff or just up to 40 players from 2012? Without going through and counting they've made 10+ changes to their playing list since 2012.
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If 40 of them get done who do we play?
Essendon Ammos. They'll still be right in it up until halfway through the last quarter.
Before they pull away for an easy win?
Yes. Chapman & Goddard will lead them home.
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I cannot wait for this..
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I cannot wait for this..
Gonna be good :clapping
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It will be interesting lead up to dream time at the G
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I cannot wait for this..
Gonna be good :clapping
Agreed. Finger lickin good. :thumbsup
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If 40 of them get done who do we play?
we will play against ourselves and the tragedy is we would probably find a way lose anyway ;D
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If 40 of them get done who do we play?
we will play against ourselves and the tragedy is we would probably find a way lose anyway ;D
Would be a must win game for both sides!
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If 40 of them get done who do we play?
we will play against ourselves and the tragedy is we would probably find a way lose anyway ;D
Would be a must win game for both sides!
8 point game.
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essendon fans claiming players will be done only for tb4 not aod
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essendon fans claiming players will be done only for tb4 not aod
They were saying neither in the past. The light bulb in the brain is starting to click.
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Worksafe finally after them
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Windy Hill still deluded and in denial as ever :facepalm.
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ESSENDON players could launch legal action challenging the legality of the joint drugs investigation in a bid for immediate closure.
An option for the players en-masse to attempt to have the drugs probe into Essendon players shut down was briefly raised at a meeting on Tuesday night.
The players could raise issues over the process, confidentiality and privacy of the AFL-ASADA investigation, which is into its 16th month.
The players and parents were briefed at the club on Tuesday night, where they were told the club and the AFL Players Association had formed a three-man legal team to represent them in the event they received show-cause notices from ASADA.
If the players did challenge the investigation, and won, it would be immediately quashed.
The entire playing staff, as well as club officials, are expected to receive the show cause letters within weeks, it is understood.
If they do receive the letters, the players will be represented by Tony Hargreaves, who last year worked for the club and now works with the players, David Grace QC and Ben Ihle.
It is also understood no player will accept guilt over any charges, which rules out any “no fault, no negligence’’ deals.
Essendon chairman Paul Little last night indicated the club would fight if it had to and conceded a lengthy legal process would be ‘’worse than ideal’’.
“You can’t predict these things, but depending what’s in these notices, it’s highly possible we would legally challenge the information in the show-cause notices,’’ he said.
“That’s the least we could do if we felt the information is inaccurate or wrong.
“But it’s hypothetical because we don’t know (if the show-cause notices are coming).’’
Little said the club last year investigated the possibility of challenging the AFL-ASADA investigation but was advised it was not likely to win, though other lawyers have disagreed.
Asked if it was a possibility now, Little said: ‘’I would never rule anything out, or in, but I have to say it’s a long way from where we are.
“We really aren’t focusing on a particular approach to this other than putting in place what I refer to as a legal safety net for the players and for the parents for their comfort. That really dominated discussion last night.’’
LITTLE TAKES AIM AT ASADA
Asked whether the players, led by skipper Jobe Watson, could instigate a legal challenge to the probe, Little said: ‘’The instructions a player gives them (the lawyers), and this was part of what we clarified last night, will be between a lawyer and his customer ... and we will respect that. We aren’t going to tell the legal team what they should do with the players and we aren’t going to tell the players what they should do with the legal team.’’
Little said no Essendon player would accept a “no fault, no negligence’’ position.
“To get that warning and to get that relief you need to have been found to have taken a substance and our players don’t think they have,’’ Little said.
“They are not going to use that clause, I promise you.’’
It is understood the reality of their predicament hit home with players on Tuesday night and they were quiet at the club yesterday. Club officials are also on edge.
“No matter how many times I’ve stated I don’t believe our players took anything that was harmful or illegal, and I still firmly believe that, you pick up the paper and read a story like what was reported, it still puts the shivers up you,’’ Little said.
“There were a lot of questions about how it would work, who would get the notices, there were a lot of questions they wanted clarity around. Both the parents and players had a lot of questions.’’
Little had been unable to seek clarification from ASADA or Sports Minister Peter Dutton because he said they were not taking his calls.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-could-launch-legal-action-in-bid-to-end-longrunning-supplements-investigations/story-fni5f6kv-1226926208162
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Jobe needs to organise another sit down protest :pray
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:sleep
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Interesting. They seem to know they're stuffed and will challenge on the basis of the process rather than innocence. :lol
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Nothing will happen.
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Robbo wearing his red & black glasses again demanding the Bombers legally fight the ASADA investigation as though they are the victim in all this ::) :sleep.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendons-immediate-future-remains-in-doubt-on-and-off-the-field/story-fndv8gad-1226937724648
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Robbo wearing his red & black glasses again demanding the Bombers legally fight the ASADA investigation as though they are the victim in all this ::) :sleep.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendons-immediate-future-remains-in-doubt-on-and-off-the-field/story-fndv8gad-1226937724648
Despite their own legal counsel telling them they would not win a challenge..... :wallywink
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Looking forward how the human rights and natural justice reasoning why player legal fees should not be includes unswe the salary cap
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Hasn't this dragged on long enough? Either punish them (heavily) or clear them
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Hasn't this dragged on long enough? Either punish them (heavily) or clear them
No
A few more years would be good I think
Even if asada let em off WADA has like five years to overrule to try Eliminate corruption
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At the Olympics you can win a gold medal today and be stripped tomorrow.
This Essendon saga is as farcical as the Lara Bingle. :help
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Hasn't this dragged on long enough? Either punish them (heavily) or clear them
It wouldn't have dragged on this long if Essendon had even some semblance of good governance rather than "#whateverittakes"; if those directly responsible didn't spend their time switching between denial, denying and playing the victim; if medical records of what was exactly given to the players were properly kept and the players themselves knew what exactly went into their bodies; if their captain didn't admit on live television he believed he was given AOD-9604; if substances from Mexico weren't taken from a medical clinic waiting room; if the club didn't "self-report" and sack, suspend, dismiss or step-down most of those who oversaw or were connected with their 'supplement' program.
The only ones who care how long this is taking are Bomber supporters and their red & black sycophants in the media.
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New ASADA boss says infraction notices could be issued 'within weeks'
Dan Harrison
The Age
June 4, 2014
Australia's recently-installed anti-doping boss Ben McDevitt says infraction notices could be issued in relation to performance-enhancing drug use at AFL and NRL clubs within weeks.
Mr McDevitt, who started work as chief executive of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority last month, told a Senate hearing late on Tuesday the agency was approaching the task with "urgency" but it did not want to "sacrifice certainty for speed".
"We do have reputations hanging in the balance and potentially people’s careers could be damaged. We want to do it quickly but we want to get it right... we are talking weeks here, not months," he said.
Mr McDevitt rejected suggestions that progress had been slow, 17 months after it was publicly announced by the then-Labor government at a dramatic press conference on what became known as the "blackest day in sport".
"There are some examples of cases offshore... involving one athlete in one sporting code, and you’re talking three years plus. So when you’re talking two sports, multiple athletes, perhaps we might see the 17 months a little more in context," he said.
Mr McDevitt said since taking over at ASADA he had had "a couple" of conversations with former World Anti-Doping Agency boss John Fahey, who recently publicly criticised the former Labor government for calling what he suggested was a politically-motivated press conference which had hampered the subsequent investigation and unfairly tarred some athletes' reputations.
"Mr Fahey is obviously entitled to his views on how an investigation might be conducted," Mr McDevitt said. "I would tend to agree that privacy of the individual is critically important here."
He said in his first 17 days on the job he had had "a couple of conversations" with incoming AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan and had met NRL boss David Smith once.
Mr McDevitt said he had read a report on the AFL and NRL cases completed by retired federal court judge Garry Downes, which was handed to ASADA on April 28.
But he said he was yet to digest the "enormous amount of material" gathered in the investigation, which included more than 300 interviews running as long as nine hours each, and 150,000 documents, some of which were up to 200 pages long.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/new-asada-boss-says-infraction-notices-could-be-issued-within-weeks-20140604-zrwse.html#ixzz33bR9evj0
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Lol pg3 the hun
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Essendon Football Club players issued with show-cause notices by ASADA on doping
Michael Warner and Mark Robinson
Herald Sun
June 12, 2014 6:06PM
ESSENDON players have been issued with show-cause notices for doping.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority served the notices on players this afternoon over the club’s 2012 supplements program.
The decision ends a 16-month probe and throws the 2014 AFL season into turmoil.
ASADA has been investigating what Essendon-appointed investigator Ziggy Switkowski described as ‘a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented within the club”.
Any charges against Essendon players and officials will ultimately be heard by an AFL tribunal, with a maximum two-year ban applicable for a player found to have used a banned drug.
Essendon is expected to challenge ASADA’s findings in the Federal Court.
Bombers chairman Paul Little said in a statement on the club’s website today: “I can confirm we are exploring all legal options for our players in the unlikely event they receive show cause letters from ASADA — we make no apologies for that.”
AFL chief Gillon McLachlan told the Herald Sun tonight in response to the development: “I can’t comment”
MORE TO COME
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-football-club-players-issued-with-showcause-notices-by-asada-on-doping/story-fni5f22o-1226952296676
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:clapping
Patience is a wonderful thing ;D
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god bless caro
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Bombers threatening legal action
Good luck to them
No matter what happens next, players are tainted
:clapping
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Bombers threatening legal action
:clapping
Natural justice
Asada to bring out the human rights lawyers :shh
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Looking forward to seeing how Little and the EFC can justify Hird coming back.
This mess of Hird's making, they should punish by sacking him
But they won't, to gutless
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From Twitter
@theage: A total of 34 notices will be issued to Essendon players, querying the use of the peptide thymosin http://t.co/KZD6NTOJKG
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"unlikely event they receive show cause notices"
Nice touch :lol
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Andy D jumped ship at the right time.
Inb4 drawn out another 3 years, found guilty and AFL just hands down 'time served.'
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ASADA boss said on MMM this morning that penalties can be reduced by up to 50% if found not to be the players' fault, and further reduction with full cooperation. Also said they don't hand down punishment, that's up to the AFL. So there you have it. It will drag out for years. After being found guilty the maximum two years will be reduced to one for ignorance, 1 year to 6 months for cooperation, and lastly 6 months to a slap on the wrist for pain and suffering already endured and the 2013 penalties already issued.
And at the end of it all the EFC will still take zero responsibility.
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ASADA boss said on MMM this morning that penalties can be reduced by up to 50% if found not to be the players' fault, and further reduction with full cooperation. Also said they don't hand down punishment, that's up to the AFL. So there you have it. It will drag out for years. After being found guilty the maximum two years will be reduced to one for ignorance, 1 year to 6 months for cooperation, and lastly 6 months to a slap on the wrist for pain and suffering already endured and the 2013 penalties already issued.
And at the end of it all the EFC will still take zero responsibility.
He was also on 3AW but he said the players could only face 6 months out being a 75% reduction from the standard 2 years penalty. They would still cop a suspension.
Here's a summary as reported on the AFL website
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Players have 10 days to respond to ASADA, penalties could be slashed
Matt Thompson and Harry Thring
une 13, 2014 7:59 AM
PLAYERS found guilty of taking banned substances could have their penalties reduced by more than half if they did not know what the substance was.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority chief Ben McDevitt has revealed that ASADA will be lenient on players who co-operate and players who “can demonstrate no significant fault”.
After being issued show-cause notices, players now have 10 days to respond to formal allegations after ASADA declared they have a case to answer.
Notices of possible anti-doping rule violations have been put to 34 current and former AFL players relating to the alleged use of a prohibited substance during the 2012 season.
McDevitt confirmed on Friday morning that the show-cause notices refer to thymosin Beta 4 and not the anti-obesity drug, AOD9604.
In a statement, McDevitt said: "Based on the advice of our legal counsel and a review of the evidence by the Honourable Garry Downes, I have reached the conclusion that these players have a case to answer under the World Anti-Doping Code.
"When I have reached a conclusion that a possible violation has occurred, it is incumbent on me under legislation to put formal allegations to athletes and invite them to respond,” he said.
On Friday morning, McDevitt told radio station 3AW that players who fully cooperated with ASADA could have their penalties reduced by more than half.
"Following the conclusion of joint interviews with the AFL in mid-2013, ASADA continued to accumulate evidence to establish a possible violation," he said.
"The investigation of these matters was a significant exercise in determining whether, under the National Anti-Doping scheme or relevant anti-doping policy of a sport, possible anti-doping rule violations had been committed.
"If a player can demonstrate no significant fault … if they didn’t know for example what was being administered to them, they would have that sort of claim, that penalty can then be reduced by up to 50 per cent.
"In addition to that, a player can actually make a claim that they have provided substantial assistance to ASADA.
"If they were to actually say and demonstrate that they had told the whole truth and are willing to say everything that they know about the circumstances here then we can see further substantial reductions."
Essendon chairman Paul Little is expected to comment later on Friday.
The club and players are seeking legal advice.
McDevitt said ASADA had been empowered by the Australian Government to do its job without fear or favour.
The AFL had no comment on Thursday night.
From: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-13/case-to-answer
And from the Age:
ASADA says 'duped' Essendon players could receive substantial discounts on penalties
Date June 13, 2014 - 11:07AM
Alana Schetzer
Reporter
Any Essendon players found guilty of breaching anti-doping laws but are determined to have not had sufficient knowledge about what they were taking could have 75 per cent of the maximum penalty slashed.
Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority chief executive Ben McDevitt told 3AW on Friday that if any of the 34 past and present Essendon players caught up in the investigation weren’t aware of what they were taking they could face a minimum ban of one year, as opposed to the maximum of two years.
He said if players “provided substantial assistance”, including making a full admissions, there was an option of a further six months being slashed off their penalty.
The players were served with show-cause notices late on Thursday.
The AFL tribunal would be ultimately in charge of applying any sanctions to Essendon players if they are found guilty over the use of a banned substance, McDevitt said.
Players have 10 days to respond to the show-cause notice and if any cases go further, an independent panel will determine whether there has been a violation or not. If guilt is established, then the AFL tribunal will be responsible for handing out any penalties.
ASADA officials notified the players that they had a case to answer over the use of the peptide Thymosin Beta 4 during the 2012 season. The notices are allegations and are not determinations of guilt.
Players are reportedly in shock following the latest development in the 16-month probe. The club has refused to comment publicly and has hired security for its Tullamarine headquarters.
McDevitt said the show-cause notice was the first step and simply meant that “it’s the first step”.
“What it basically means is I have formed a view in my mind that an individual athlete has a case to answer in relation to a possible violation of Australia’s anti-doping code,” he said
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-says-duped-essendon-players-could-receive-substantial-discounts-on-penalties-20140613-zs6i5.html#ixzz34Ti7qSmR
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Bloke that really needs to be banished from the game is Hird, no ifs, buts or maybes
He created this mess, he must be punished for it
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No one would have batted an eyelid if the players got away with it.
Cheats the lot of them.
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No one would have batted an eyelid if the players got away with it.
Cheats the lot of them.
I would
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Essendon/Hird fanboy Slobbo's article this morning was a disgrace, if it was any other club he'd be sticking the boots in as hard as Caro....
17 other clubs surely can't all just stand by and let them keep dragging the comp through the mud for years on end....they need to insist they cop their wack or flat out refuse to play them.
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And Caro goes Whack! Whackety, Whack WHACK :clapping :bow
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Time to put players, club and the game ahead of lengthy legal stoush
Date June 13, 2014 - 3:07PM
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age
Ben McDevitt broke his silence on Friday and pointedly stated that the eyes of the World Anti-Doping Authority were on Australia and just how seriously it regarded its responsibility towards the international fight against performance-enhancing drugs.
We could state with some clarity that this is what WADA sees.
Primarily, it sees a football club, Essendon, still determined to lawyer up and potentially drag itself and its code through a lengthy court battle despite its own internal inquiry that concluded it ran a pharmaceutical program never adequately controlled or checked.
Second, it sees a senior coach, charged with the responsibility of its players, who employed people who regularly injected them with allegedly banned drugs. Drugs which on Thursday led to 34 of them receiving show-cause letters. A coach who is being paid to take a gap year and had his contract extended by two years. A coach who continues to blame others and a club that still cannot see that it must cut him loose.
WADA also sees two Essendon assistant coaches, Mark Thompson and Simon Goodwin, who failed to prevent the program and knew all about it, both promoted and given pay rises. Thompson raised the alarm but ultimately the program continued. It sees the then chief executive of the club, Ian Robson, who either knew or failed to know, shifted from Australian football to soccer and to one of that code’s biggest clubs.
And, perhaps most shamefully, it sees the experienced club doctor who was so concerned about the drugs program he wrote a heartfelt letter to the coach and the football boss complaining about it. And then continued to work at the club without further official complaint as the program intensified. A doctor who went unpunished and still runs the medical program at the club.
Now that the authorities have finally acted on 34 past and present Essendon players, the club appears still to be channelling its anger towards ASADA and its new boss McDevitt, who took the unusual step early on Friday of outlining possible details of a proposed deal with players that could see their sentences reduced to six months. This shows how delusional the Bombers remain and exposes once again the insane and irrelevant folly of last year’s James Hird-led anti-Demetriou campaign.
McDevitt also made it clear on Friday that should ASADA’s case be proven, there was no escaping suspension. Say what you like about his public commentary, but he clearly believes he has a case. The criticism levelled at the process-driven ASADA - or at times apparent lack of process - is no longer the issue.
It is true the Essendon players have already been subjected to a cruel form of emotional agony as they have played the waiting game. But the authorities led by retired Federal Court judge Garry Downes and now rolled out by McDevitt have not been taken without clear and strong reason.
Having re-interviewed compounding chemist Nima Alavi and Shane Charter, who supplied Essendon with drugs, ASADA appears convinced it has a case against the players strong enough to lead to infraction notices. But McDevitt has also made it clear that players who have co-operated and unknowingly taken banned drugs could receive reduced sentences.
Surely the club must ignore ill-judged advice to fight ASADA through the courts. Surely if the penalties come and can be reduced to six months, the players should take them and return at some stage next season. How much more bad advice can this club take given it now faces the clear threat of legal action from the players it failed?
If only that course of action had been pursued after the release of the Ziggy Switkowski report so much long-term damage could have been avoided or at least mitigated. Dragging this sorry and shameful case through the courts now will not help anyone and will do so much more damage to the game.
If there has been one recurring theme through this whole shocking mess, it has been the misguided, inflated egos and their ill-judged determination to cling to long-standing old boy friendships. The bad advice that has guided the selfish and culpable James Hird has not only punctuated this saga but symbolised it.
ASADA, in its determination to deal not with the AFL nor Essendon but only the players, may have gone some way to emphasising a divide that is now between those footballers and the men in power who let them down. The players may be disgusted with the procedures of the anti-doping authorities but there are growing signs they are becoming equally disgusted with their club.
Hird has failed at every opportunity to do the right thing and in doing so has gone a long way to ruining his reputation and his career.
He could still stand up and publicly and unreservedly apologise for his lack of diligence in first establishing and then failing to oversee the drugs program that led to this. He could take the blame, as he should, and this could help the cause of the footballers whose welfare he was entrusted with. He could finally put players and club first.
So could Bruce Reid, the club doctor who knew what was happening was wrong and failed to prevent it. How crazy that he was never punished at all, this trusted veteran who clung like Hird to his reputation and whose blind adoration of Hird overrode his responsibility to the players.
The misguided spin coming from Essendon is that the AFL and its key leaders led by Andrew Demetriou were the guilty party. That they were hiding something and had potentially broken the law. This remains as unlikely as it always was irrelevant.
The truth of the AFL’s failings is that it allowed Hird to be paid and sent away on a gap year and tried to do a deal with him. And worse, that when it needed to act on the irresponsible club doctor it lacked the energy and resolve to do so, feeling that Reid’s 40 years of the service to the game should save him.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/time-to-put-players-club-and-the-game-ahead-of-lengthy-legal-stoush-20140613-zs6zp.html#ixzz34UqP84sp
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I hope Essendon goes to court for the next 2 or 3 years and ends up with a massive legal bill for their court action. It will run into the millions of dollars and the club will get tainted even further. McDevitt isnt stupid he hasnt issued these notices without believing that he has a case against Essendon players. Hopefully when its all done, the Essendon players one by one start suing Essendon for this debacle and for their future loss of earnings. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
The War Machine. :lol
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Take some responsibility you pricks.
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I hope Essendon goes to court for the next 2 or 3 years and ends up with a massive legal bill for their court action. It will run into the millions of dollars and the club will get tainted even further. McDevitt isnt stupid he hasnt issued these notices without believing that he has a case against Essendon players. Hopefully when its all done, the Essendon players one by one start suing Essendon for this debacle and for their future loss of earnings. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
The War Machine. :lol
Of course they'll do that, and then when theyre floundering ala Melbourne, the afl will pay out their footy department for them and allow them to buy the best in breed coaching setup and they'll be cherry ripe. Its a stuffing circus
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Justice will not be truly achieved until that unaccountable, drug pushing stockbroker coach admits his guilt, is banned from the AFL for life and is publicly and forever branded the self centered, coward he is
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Justice will not be truly achieved until that unaccountable, drug pushing stockbroker coach admits his guilt, is banned from the AFL for life and is publicly and forever branded the self centered, coward he is
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how stuffing stupid are people ?
He's left the country and these essendon stufftards want him back.
I think the other clubs need to protest his return on the grounds he brings the game into disrepute
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Remember the Scott McLaren incident when Hird was a player? The only person to be found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute twice. Has always thought himself & his club above the game.
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james thinks james is special. more special than anyone else.
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'We will not be bullied': Dons fire back at ASADA, launch court challenge
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
June 13, 2014
ESSENDON has fired a shot back at the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, alleging its joint investigation with the AFL into the club is unlawful and in breach of the ASADA act.
The Bombers have filed a Federal Court application against ASADA that aims to rule the case against the club "null and void”.
Essendon chairman Paul Little confirmed the move at a media conference on Friday afternoon.
“The board concluded unanimously that the club is left with no alternative but to fight to protect the reputations and livelihood of our players," Little said.
"There is no power or capacity under the ASADA act to conduct a joint investigation, and there never was.
"This challenge on the joint investigation is not merely a technical matter. The application to the federal court seeks to enforce the rule of law.
"If we are right, and we believe we are, the court will declare the investigation null and void. We will seek a permanent injunction of all of the information collected in that investigation."
Little said the club believed the letters outlining the allegations against each player do not contain any evidence to support the "very serious" allegations against the individuals.
Little questioned how the players could respond without understanding the evidence against them, and took aim at ASADA's "media blitz" and "grandstanding" throughout Friday, which has seen the organisation's new boss Ben McDevitt conduct numerous interviews.
"Enough is enough. We will not be bullied and will not allow our players to be hung out to dry any longer," Little said. "They have suffered enough."
Read more: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-13/dons-to-challenge-asada
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Paul Little on 3AW Football
Little spoke with 3AW Football and faced some tough questions.
LISTEN: Caroline Wilson and Paul Little get fiery (http://media.mytalk.com.au/3AW/audio/PaulLittle.mp3)
Caroline Wilson: “You talked today about players being hung out to dry and having suffered enough. Do you regret that key personnel did not stand up and take responsibility and therefore mitigate the damage to those players now?”
Paul Little: “What today’s initiative was about was challenging the legal rights of ASADA to conduct a joint investigation.”
Caroline Wilson: “I understand that... but I put to you that isn’t it a pity that certain key personnel were not prepared to put their hand up earlier and apologise and take responsibility and maybe help or save the players?
Paul Little: “I don’t think it’s got anything to do with that, I think ASADA had a process, they made it very clear to us what our role was post self-reporting. We complied fully with that process and I don’t think any individual putting his hand up mid-stream would have made any difference quite frankly.”
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-football-blog/essendon-to-fight-in-federal-court/20140612-3a0b8.html
3AW Football @3AWisfootball twitter:
Little: 'I'm dealing with facts at the moment and people who have received notices are players. My energy is with protecting their interests'
Caroline Wilson to Paul Little: Why now Paul?
Little:'We want the players to put faith in the club & the legal advisors that are working for them,to allow them space to think about footy
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Caro: 'James Hird will not coach the football club again'
Caro: 'I think Bruce Reid is the most guilty of everybody involved who was sanctioned.'
Lloyd: 'I would trust Bruce Reid with my kids.'
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3AW Football @3AWisfootball twitter:
Caro: 'James Hird will not coach the football club again'
Caro: 'I think Bruce Reid is the most guilty of everybody involved who was sanctioned.'
Lloyd: 'I would trust Bruce Reid with my kids.'
Good that you would Lloydy. I certainly wouldn't
Agree with Caro. I've never understood why if he was so disgusted by what was going on why he after he wrote that letter he didn't follow anything up
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Essendon self reported right. :help
Still holding the game to ransom and their players.
Flog Footy Club.
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James is special. He's currently being paided millions for jacking off on the French Riviera
Good leadership little :shh
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Paul Little on 3AW Football
Little spoke with 3AW Football and faced some tough questions.
LISTEN: Caroline Wilson and Paul Little get fiery (http://media.mytalk.com.au/3AW/audio/PaulLittle.mp3)
Caroline Wilson: “You talked today about players being hung out to dry and having suffered enough. Do you regret that key personnel did not stand up and take responsibility and therefore mitigate the damage to those players now?”
Paul Little: “What today’s initiative was about was challenging the legal rights of ASADA to conduct a joint investigation.”
Caroline Wilson: “I understand that... but I put to you that isn’t it a pity that certain key personnel were not prepared to put their hand up earlier and apologise and take responsibility and maybe help or save the players?
Paul Little: “I don’t think it’s got anything to do with that, I think ASADA had a process, they made it very clear to us what our role was post self-reporting. We complied fully with that process and I don’t think any individual putting his hand up mid-stream would have made any difference quite frankly.”
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-football-blog/essendon-to-fight-in-federal-court/20140612-3a0b8.html
3AW Football @3AWisfootball twitter:
Little: 'I'm dealing with facts at the moment and people who have received notices are players. My energy is with protecting their interests'
Caroline Wilson to Paul Little: Why now Paul?
Little:'We want the players to put faith in the club & the legal advisors that are working for them,to allow them space to think about footy
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Caro: 'James Hird will not coach the football club again'
Caro: 'I think Bruce Reid is the most guilty of everybody involved who was sanctioned.'
Lloyd: 'I would trust Bruce Reid with my kids.'
Little talks a lot of poo
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Look at littles face.
It's the face of a cook.
Water and people find their own levels
So, how many players are going to walk ?
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I wouldn't trust Doc Reid prescribing me a butter menthol.
Lloyd is a malaka.
Essendon have no credibility and a shot reputation.
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Triple M Footy news-breaker Damian Barrett has tonight revealed that suspended Essendon coach James Hird will take personal action against ASADA's CEO.
“That action has been lodged this evening and it has been confirmed by the club that James Hird will follow his club itself in taking Federal Court action against ASADA," Damian Barrett told Triple M Footy.
“We can now reveal that James Albert Hird is also taking action against the Chief Executive Officer of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.”
"This is a personal action that he is taking against the Chief Executive.”
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/danks-stunning-admission-20140613-zs7ea.html#ixzz34WURlgBE
How guilty does this article make the bombers look?
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;D
This advice would later form a key piece of the puzzle later assembled by ASADA. This was because it matched the frequency of injections of a drug described only as ''thymosin'' on the consent forms given to Bombers players treated by Dank.
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What a coincidence - Hird decides to go to the Federal Court on the same day as Essendon does ::).
Court: Federal Court of Australia, Victoria Registry
Number: VID328/2014
Title: James Albert Hird v The Chief Executive Officer Of The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority
Filing Date: 13-Jun-2014
https://www.comcourts.gov.au/file/Federal/P/VID328/2014/actions
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God bless Caroline Wilson
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3AW Football @3AWisfootball twitter:
Caro: 'James Hird will not coach the football club again'
Caro: 'I think Bruce Reid is the most guilty of everybody involved who was sanctioned.'
Lloyd: 'I would trust Bruce Reid with my kids.'
Good that you would Lloydy. I certainly wouldn't
Agree with Caro. I've never understood why if he was so disgusted by what was going on why he after he wrote that letter he didn't follow anything up
Bc his manlove for the golden idiot James Turd is greater than his professional moral judgement
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Tim Watson finally saying that the longer that this goes on the messier it will get for Jimmy Turd and the EFC. He also admitted that Turd should take some responsibility and if these letters turn into infraction notices that Turd should not be welcomed back.
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According to Sam Lane on Ch 7, the Sunday Age tomorrow will publish one of the show-cause notices from ASADA that has been sent to an Essendon player.
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ASADA invokes Lance Armstrong dope formula
Samantha Lane
The Age
June 15, 2014
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has built a ''non-presence'' drug case against 34 Essendon footballers, adopting a strategy similar to the one used to ban Lance Armstrong without a positive test.
The Sunday Age can reveal the ''non-presence'' line ASADA is taking after viewing one of the 34 show-cause notices that was issued to current and past Essendon players on Thursday.
In taking this route, ASADA has chosen the same non-analytical approach that its American equivalent, USADA, used to ban Armstrong from all sanctioned sports competition for life without relying on positive drug tests.
Proof of breaches by the 34 Essendon players could result in a two-year ban at most, or a six-month ban with mitigation.
ASADA's approach indicates it is confident about the supplementary evidence it has gathered over the past 16 months to mount the case that 34 Essendon players used prohibited drugs during 2012.
The notice seen by The Sunday Age relates to prohibited substance ''use'' and lists one allegation of ''possible non-presence anti-doping rule violation''. The only prohibited substance listed in this show cause notice is Thymosin Beta 4.
The notice refers to information the footballer gave in an interview to ASADA investigators early in last year's AFL season and states that the dates of the footballer's ''alleged attempted use'' was ''between about January 2012 and September 2012''.
The show-cause document, signed by ASADA CEO Ben McDevitt, states that Thymosin Beta 4 is ''prohibited under the S2 category of the World Anti-Doping Agency's prohibited list 2012''.
The S2 categorisation - outlined in WADA's international code, to which the AFL is a signatory - typically triggers an automatic two-year ban for athletes provided the doping rule breach is proved.
An excerpt of the notice seen by The Sunday Age states:
''After reviewing the evidence in this matter I have determined it is possible that you have used the prohibited substance Thymosin Beta 4 during the period between about January 2012 and September 2012.
''Specifically, it is alleged that you used Thymosin Beta 4 through your participation in an injection regime organised by Mr Stephen Dank and conducted in his office at the Essendon Football Club premises.
''Your actions may constitute a possible violation of clause 2.01 (2) (b) of the National Anti-Doping (NAD) scheme established by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority Act 2006.''
Significantly, as revealed by Fairfax Media last week, ASADA engaged pre-eminent US-based litigation and sports anti-doping lawyer Richard Young to help build its cases around AFL players.
It's understood Young, who was a principal draftsman for the original WADA code and assisted USADA in its actions against cyclist Armstrong and sprinter Marion Jones, travelled to Australia more than once to assist ASADA with its probes into the AFL and NRL.
In an interview with Fairfax Media last week, former WADA president John Fahey suggested that Young's expertise was critical to ASADA's work regarding the investigation.
Assuming it has no positive drug tests from Essendon players to rely on, ASADA would no doubt have used Young to test the body of evidence it has gathered through interviews, witness statements and a vast number of documents.
USADA used the same primary method to strip seven-time Tour de France champion Armstrong of his titles and, in 2012, ban him from sport for life.
Provided the cases against Essendon footballers proceed beyond the show-cause notice stage, the allegations against the players would be prosecuted and heard under the AFL Anti-Doping Code, amended in March this year.
The AFL Anti-Doping Code includes important footnotes related to ''use or attempted use of a prohibited substance''. Footnote nine states, in part:
''It has always been the case that use or attempted use of a prohibited substance or prohibited method may be established by any reliable means … such as admissions by the player, witness statements, documentary evidence, conclusions drawn from longitudinal profiling, or other analytical information which does not otherwise satisfy all the requirements to establish 'presence' of a prohibited substance under clause 10(a).''
Essendon players and their legal advisers have 10 days to respond to their show-cause notices, although it's understood the AFL Players Association, which is co-ordinating the footballers' legal representation, is considering applying for an extension.
The day after the notices were issued, ASADA CEO Ben McDevitt urged the 34 AFL players served with notices to date to ''fully cooperate'' with ASADA. McDevitt indicated this could potentially help players have possible two-year bans reduced to six months.
''If an athlete can demonstrate, for example, that they didn't know what they were receiving was in fact a performance-enhancing substance, which was prohibited, then they may be able to claim no significant fault - which could lead to a reduction of up to 50 per cent in the penalty that could be imposed,'' McDevitt said on Friday.
''It may well be the case that an athlete doesn't know that they have actually received, through injection or ingestion or otherwise, the prohibited substance.''
He also said if players ''provided substantial assistance'', including making full admissions, they could be eligible to have potential doping bans reduced by a further six months - making a 75 per cent discount on a two-year ban starting point possible for Essendon players accused of taking Thymosin Beta 4.
McDevitt's public advice to Essendon players triggered a rebuke from Bombers chairman Paul Little. Essendon and its suspended senior coach James Hird have filed proceedings in the Australian Federal Court to challenge the validity of the joint AFL-ASADA investigation. If successful, the club and outcast coach believe the entire investigation could be extinguished.
When the AFL imposed unprecedented sanctions on Essendon last August for governance failings - this resulted in the club's removal from the finals series and Hird accepting a 12-month suspension - it referenced a document of more than 400-pages prepared with ASADA.
While ASADA subsequently continued its probe - and re-interviewed some central figures in the AFL investigation - that document referenced more than 13,000 documents, including transcripts of interviews with more than 130 witnesses.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-invokes-lance-armstrong-dope-formula-20140614-3a4k2.html#ixzz34dhK50Rv
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lol l knew it was coming. They will not get out of this one.
Jobe will be handing over that Brownlow & he knows it ;D
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ESSENDON chairman Paul Little says the club asked ASADA to hold off on issuing its players with show-cause notices over doping until after Sunday's clash with Melbourne.
The request was to allow the Bombers to properly prepare for the game.
Little also blasted the anti-doping body for irresponsibly using the media "by intimidating and attempting to negotiate with our players".
Read more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-15/dons-wanted-asada-delay
:nopity
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Wouldn't holding off just interfere with the following game?
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ESSENDON chairman Paul Little says the club asked ASADA to hold off on issuing its players with show-cause notices over doping until after Sunday's clash with Melbourne.
The request was to allow the Bombers to properly prepare for the game.
Little also blasted the anti-doping body for irresponsibly using the media "by intimidating and attempting to negotiate with our players".
Read more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-15/dons-wanted-asada-delay
:nopity
Why not postpone the season
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Wouldn't holding off just interfere with the following game?
Yeah and they're certainties to beat Melbourne anyway. Oh wait. I hate it when the game goes 120 mins and not 119.5 ;D
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Caro enjoys sinking the boot, its a riot!
I can't believe any of the players haven't yet come forward and said they'll cop the 6 months. Their reputations are shot without any redemption if they just Weasel out of it using some legal Gymnastics. If you were a sponsor would you want to hang round with that stench! BHP The Big Australian Drug Cheats, Woolies Australia's Fresh Drugs People! Somehow I don't think so. Then the admin are gonna bleed the club dry with legal fees.
Personally I couldn't play with the sword of Damocles hanging over my head like that. This Paul Little legal belligerence is just nuts.
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The Dons are on their own :yep.
Rivals urge Essendon to accept penalties
Caroline Wilson
The Age
June 17, 2014
AFL club presidents have expressed serious disenchantment with Essendon and its chairman Paul Little, increasingly enraged that Little’s latest round of legal manoeuvring is holding the game to ransom.
Fairfax Media understands that rival clubs are considering bringing forward a crisis meeting of all 18 clubs in a bid to bring some closure to the drugs saga.
The next scheduled meeting of club presidents is not until the end of September, but several clubs have contacted AFL chiefs in recent days urging the league to stand up to the Bombers’ litigious chairman.
West Coast chairman Alan Cransberg echoed the private and public thoughts of 10 club bosses contacted on Monday when he said: “I just think it’s a bloody pity that we’re going to have at least another 18 months of this circus. At some stage you’ve got to take your right whack.”
While Little on Sunday expressed appreciation at support from the AFL community, that view was not reciprocated from the majority of clubs.
Geelong boss Colin Carter said: “When Paul Little says he has the support of the AFL community, he shouldn’t assume he’s talking about us.
“This is going to have a damaging effect on the reputation of the competition and every time the AFL pays a legal bill every one of us is paying one-eighteenth of that amount.”
In his first public statement on Essendon for some months, AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick said he was extremely disappointed that the drugs scandal continued to unfold without resolution.
He also made some pointed remarks about key individuals penalised as a result of the joint AFL-ASADA investigation.
Port Adelaide’s David Koch warned the Australian sporting community and the international sporting community were closely watching the AFL’s handling of the drug allegations levelled against Essendon.
‘‘I want them to see that we are absolutely true to our values and that we are prepared to stand by the values which supposedly define us,’’ Koch said.
“We cannot fight this on technicalities; we’ve got to fight this on facts. Especially when we pride ourselves on being absolutely relentless in ensuring that our sport is clean. It doesn’t matter who individuals are or their reputations in our code – they have to be dealt with correctly.”
While several clubs were reluctant to expand publicly on Essendon’s legal strategy against the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, the mounting disgust against the Bombers was clear, with no club contacted on Monday prepared to defend Little.
The Essendon chairman is understood to have launched the legal challenge against ASADA and its joint investigation into Essendon with the AFL without fully consulting his board. He told 3AW on Friday his club was unlikely to co-operate with a second ASADA inquiry, if that eventuated.
Hawthorn president Andrew Newbold, who reportedly strongly challenged Little when the 17 clubs called Essendon to account last August, and whose coach Alastair Clarkson aired his disappointment at the game being hijacked last year, said on Monday: “I think our view from a Hawthorn point of view and an industry point of view is well known. You don’t need me to say how it’s affecting the game. It’s obvious.”
Cransberg stressed his “great sympathy” towards the Essendon players who faced lengthy bans from the game.
“Normally I would say you’ve got to be responsible for your own actions and maybe they should have, but I think as leaders and governors of clubs we are responsible,’’ he said. ‘‘It’s hard I know to comment from the outside, but I think I know enough and I’ve been to enough meetings to know that this is maybe the time to put this whole issue behind us and let the game heal.”
Koch, recalling widespread criticism he received for declaring James Hird would never coach again, said on Monday: “I stick by that. This is a very, very serious charge and you’d expect all the authorities to go through a process that is very exacting. It’s all about the facts, and if the facts are that a banned substance has been used, then our sport has been tarnished with drug cheating.
“Let’s not kid ourselves, we have sympathy if there was deception and a breakdown in a club’s duty of care, but if there is evidence then we have to face the fact that this is drug cheating. I go back to the Ziggy Switkowski statement, and that was terribly disturbing.”
Adelaide chairman Rob Chapman, whose club takes on the Bombers on Saturday week, said he looked forward to discussing the issue first hand with Little.
“I know what it’s like to be under scrutiny, and we still get that here,’’ he said. ‘‘But this does have to end sooner rather than later. It’s distracting for everybody because it’s taking the focus from what is shaping up as a great season.”
Greater Western Sydney chairman Tony Shepherd said of the Essendon scandal: “I think it is debilitating ... The sooner this is fixed the better for the whole competition. The other 17 clubs have always put the AFL first, supporting the game in what it is trying to do.”
Carter echoed Fitzpatrick’s position in supporting Essendon’s right to take ASADA to the Federal Court. But in a pointed remark, Carter said: “You can’t deny them that right regardless of the ethics involved.”
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/rivals-urge-essendon-to-accept-penalties-20140616-zs9z2.html#ixzz34pBcvgwB
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And it just keeps getting worse for Essendon with Dank now being investigated over alleged Medicare fraud including allegedly while he was their "sports scientist".
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Federal and state investigators have gathered evidence implicating Stephen Dank in wide-scale Medicare fraud and forgery, a development that could see the former Essendon and Cronulla sports scientist face criminal charges and a possible jail term.
Victoria Police detectives and Medicare investigators have interviewed witnesses and obtained documentary evidence that allegedly shows Dank forged and photocopied doctors' signatures to refer patients to pathology clinics in Sydney and Melbourne.
Essendon players are among those whose blood tests may have been ordered as part of the alleged Medicare racket, which may have involved the rorting of tens of thousands of dollars in taxpayer funds.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victoria-police-investigate-stephen-dank-over-possible-medicare-fraud-20140616-3a8nk.html#ixzz34pCcEOcL
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victoria-police-investigate-stephen-dank-over-possible-medicare-fraud-20140616-3a8nk.html#ixzz34pC2ihjM
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Hope it goes to court :pray
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Hope it goes to court :pray
me too. they dont have a hope in my opinion. Asada have had their evidence and case checked by qcs and I think a former federal court judge. essendon are screwed. the best part will come when players start suing them for wrecking their careers and reputations and future earnings potential from loss of future sponsorship arrangements media and business opportunities. essendon are up the creek IMHO.
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Love it. ASADA couldn't get him since he no longer works for any Australian sporting organisation, so in Al Capone style getting him on anything they can.
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me too. they dont have a hope in my opinion. Asada have had their evidence and case checked by qcs and I think a former federal court judge. essendon are screwed. the best part will come when players start suing them for wrecking their careers and reputations and future earnings potential from loss of future sponsorship arrangements media and business opportunities. essendon are up the creek IMHO.
Yep, the govt appointed a former Federal Court judge to review the evidence collected in the case and he recommended that show cause notices should be issued
I personally think the players should look at the 6 month option
But they wont, by going to court the EFC are actually looking more guilty than they already do.
Trying to get everything thrown out on a technicality. after they self reported, had Ziggy do an internal investigation, agreeing to the co-operative with the joint investgiation and now that things haven't goen the way they thought they would they go to court... MORONS
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II would pay to watch a judge reaction:
Your honour -
We do not not know what drugs we injected
But we are one hundred percent sure that none of the injected PED drugs - were not in fact on the WADA banned list
Henceforth you shall see us as not guilty
Hope it goes to court :pray
me too. they dont have a hope in my opinion. Asada have had their evidence and case checked by qcs and I think a former federal court judge. essendon are screwed. the best part will come when players start suing them for wrecking their careers and reputations and future earnings potential from loss of future sponsorship arrangements media and business opportunities. essendon are up the creek IMHO.
Edit: stick to commenting on the facts as reported not making accusations
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Afl.com
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-16/asada-delay-frustrates-afl
ESSENDON coach Mark Thompson says he doesn't know if some of his players will plead guilty to doping offences in order to receive sentence reductions.
Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's investigation chief executive Ben McDevitt has stated if Essendon AFL players are prepared to make admissions, they can potentially reduce any anti-doping bans from two years to six months.
Thompson told AFL 360 his players faced one of the most critical moments in their lives.
"I'm not sure," Thompson said on Monday night.
"Some people might think maybe that's the way out. Just get it over and done with.
"Some might just think ‘no I don't want to talk about any guilt at all, I wasn't guilty, I want to be found not guilty, I didn't cheat'."
Earlier on Monday, the AFL said the saga had dragged on too long but conceded there is a possibility it could continue into next year.
The 17-month long investigation reached a flashpoint last week when ASADA issued 34 current and past Essendon players with show-cause notices pertaining to the alleged use of banned substances.
Essendon chairman Paul Little has already declared his club will fight the notices, filing an application in the Federal Court against ASADA, alleging its joint investigation with the AFL is unlawful and in breach of the ASADA act.
AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan acknowledged ASADA's process could run into 2015.
"I hope not. I think it's certainly a risk that everyone would like to avoid. But I think it's a possibility," he said.
AFL Commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick said the League understood the frustrations of those looking for an end point.
"This process has gone on too long. I'm extremely disappointed that the players are in this position," Fitzpatrick said on Monday.
"The interim report into the Essendon supplement program in 2012 outlined very serious breaches of our rules and it was clear that the program subjected our players to unacceptable risks and one of those risks is playing out now."
Emotional Thompson backs Essendon's legal fight
Fitzpatrick said the League would not give ongoing commentary about the Bombers' legal action but the Commission supported the players' right to explore such options.
"The AFL Commission believes the players must be given the space and support to pursue their legal rights," Fitzpatrick said.
"We support the role of the AFLPA in offering independent legal counsel for the players and we will continue to be in contact with the (AFL) Players' Association where appropriate.
"We understand the frustration of our supporters and the industry that this issue is still going.
"We acknowledge that ASADA has a job to do and we'll let that process run its course."
When asked whether the AFL had any plans in place to deal with a circumstance where players were banned under the ASADA code, McLachlan replied: "We think we're well prepared for where we are now and feel very confident that all scenarios are covered."
Twitter: @AFL_BenGuthrie
Edit: entire link next time!
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The Drum can confirm that a legal request for prosecution of 11 other AFL clubs has been submitted to the Victorian WorkCover Authority today. Let’s see how quickly the clubs "disenchanted" with Essendon call in the lawyers, writes Tracey Holmes.
According to today's Age, "AFL club presidents have expressed serious disenchantment with Essendon and its chairman Paul Little" because they've had the hide to challenge a flawed investigation into the use of peptides through a court of law.
How dare they.
Today's disenchantment, even rage, is about to scale heights so far not seen.
The Drum can confirm that a legal request for prosecution of 11 other AFL clubs has been submitted to the Victorian WorkCover Authority today.
The landscape has altered irrevocably. Let's see how quickly those 11 other clubs, maybe more, call in the lawyers.
The premise of the notice served is based on an AFL story published on its own website last October. It states that of the "at least 12 clubs" that conducted sports supplements programs "with medium or high levels of supplement use", each of them "lacked a single point of accountability".
That single point of accountability cost the Essendon club a $2 million fine, a twelve-month suspension for its coach and the embarrassment of being kicked out of the finals.
It cost the other 11 clubs nothing. Till now.
Where was the ASADA/AFL joint investigation into those clubs? Where was the outrage that had Essendon appearing in headlines on front and back pages, on national current affairs programs and investigative reports? Where were the cries of concern for the health and safety of these young men at the other clubs?
As published on The Drum late last year, 12 clubs is 66 per cent of the AFL competition - we are talking the norm here, not the anomaly.
The pressure is now on the Victorian WorkCover Authority to investigate as an independent body.
It can ask the AFL to provide the results of their "survey" that came up with these alarming results. It can ascertain which clubs they were and no doubt which athletes were put through a "pharmacologically experimental environment" that is a constantly regurgitated, alarmist line trotted out in the one-sided reporting of the saga.
Let's finally give that description some perspective.
Dr Ziggy Switkowski was brought in by the Essendon Football Club to review "governance processes" after it became clear the focus of the joint ASADA/AFL investigation rested squarely on this one AFL club.
At no time was Dr Switkowski's report about the supplement program, since that would have interfered with the already ongoing ASADA/AFL investigation.
As Dr Switkowski admitted, "performance enhancing and image enhancing drugs, their delivery processes, and legitimacy for elite sportspeople, fall well outside my expertise".
Anyone without experience or expertise in elite sports environments would see them as rather confronting, even shocking. Elite athletes, particularly footballers, are far more familiar with the environment.
Dr Switkowski must shudder every time he hears his report referred to and the only reference is to an area he didn't investigate and admits to having no knowledge of.
Rival clubs hoping to bring forward a crisis meeting in order to bring closure to the drugs saga might find the topic of discussion somewhat changed after today's developments.
Port Adelaide's David Koch, who sits at the top of the ladder-leading club, told The Age, "I want (the world) to see we are absolutely true to our values which supposedly define us."
Hopefully those values include justice, transparency and honesty.
If WorkCover Victoria, and potentially similar organisations in other states, come knocking at club doors, it will be interesting to see which values are adhered to.
Tracey Holmes has focussed her career in journalism on sport and its wider implications. View her full profile here.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-17/holmes-turning-up-the-heat-on-the-afl/5529760
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The heat is on
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/workcover-asked-to-investigate-supplements-programs-at-all-victorian-afl-clubs-after-essendon-scandal/story-fni0fit3-1226957776752
THE Victorian WorkCover Authority has been asked to investigate the supplement programs at all Victorian AFL clubs over claims that players’ health has been put at risk.
Documents sent to the workplace authority accuse the clubs of failing to protect players’ welfare. The documents list Carlton, Collingwood, Geelong, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs.
The only other Victorian club, Essendon, was already under investigation by WorkCover.
Kate Fawcett, a spokeswoman for the authority, confirmed the request was being considered.
“The Victorian WorkCover Authority can confirm it has received a request under section 131 of the Occupational Health and Safety Act 2004 to conduct an investigation into alleged risks to health and safety involving nine AFL clubs,” she said.
“The Victorian WorkCover Authority is currently reviewing this request.”
WorkCover must investigate requests made in accordance with section 131 of the Occupational Health and Safety Act.
The documents, published by the ABC, state the claim was made after the AFL admitted last year it had concerns about supplements programs at 12 league clubs.
“The conduct of supplements programs under the AFL regulations as they applied during the 2013 and prior seasons, potentially exposed players to risks to health and safety,” the documents state.
“Those risks arose and/or were exacerbated by inadequate record-keeping, sourcing, staffing, and central accountability and oversight.
“The matters ... implicate potentially all of the AFL Clubs in the League. These including all of the Victorian AFL Clubs, each of which is an employer subject to the Act.”
Comment was being sought from the AFL.
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It didn't have to be this way for Essendon and James Hird
Date June 17, 2014 - 6:04PM
Nick Mckenzie and Richard Baker
Can you imagine if James Hird and others at Essendon had taken a different approach when the peptide scandal erupted in early 2013?
What if Hird and other senior staff had not only made it clear that Dank had conned them into believing that his ‘sports science’ regime was safe and sound? What if the coach and his team had gone on to take full responsibility for failing to apply the due diligence needed when exposing players to a new drug regime?
In conceding fault, Hird, doctor Bruce Reid and others could still have pointed to the efforts they had made to reign Dank in. But, critically, they would also acknowledge that they ultimately failed to do enough and, despite their efforts, players were still injected with possibly banned (as ASADA claims) or unsafe drugs.
Now, stay with us for a few more moments. What if this public admission by Hird included comments that his failure to not push harder to protect his players should serve as a wake up call for the rest of the AFL to pay extremely close attention to everything that goes into their players, as well as those doing the injecting.
Had Hird made such concessions early on, accompanied by an appropriate punishment accepted with grace and genuine contrition, it is a fair bet that his once stunning reputation would still be intact.
And, more importantly, Hird would have helped build the ‘no fault’ case that his players could rely on if ASADA came knocking.
If senior club officials had admitted to failing to protect players, how could it be argued that the players were responsible?
If you are open to the idea that Hird and others could, or should, have gone down this path at the earliest possible juncture, it is not unreasonable to also believe that this may have reduced the amount of time that players have been left to linger under a doping cloud.
If the club had reached an earlier agreement with the AFL to not play in the 2013 finals, players could have immediately fronted ASADA and accepted six-month bans (reduced through the no fault and co-operation provisions). And the 2014 season may not have been the train wreck for the Bombers that it is now.
Of course, Hird and the club have taken a different path, one of legal challenges and of blaming others, including the AFL and ASADA.
It is certainly Hird and the club’s right to stand up and fight what they say is an unfair process and plenty in the media have cheered them on. But the cost of doing so has been immense. And now it is being born by the players themselves, who are those with arguably the least amount to answer for. Given that is the case, it is hard not to wonder what could have been if different decisions had been made by the senior clubs officials who are meant to put the players interests before their own.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/it-didnt-have-to-be-this-way-for-essendon-and-james-hird-20140617-zsawi.html#ixzz34skfCGgs
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AFLPA
EFC players won't take deals
:bow
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an Prendergast is a fog
"There is nothing to say the players will receive penalty
What a load poo
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No sympathy when they cop their full whack then
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ESSENDON chairman Paul Little says the club asked ASADA to hold off on issuing its players with show-cause notices over doping until after Sunday's clash with Melbourne.
The request was to allow the Bombers to properly prepare for the game.
Little also blasted the anti-doping body for irresponsibly using the media "by intimidating and attempting to negotiate with our players".
Read more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-15/dons-wanted-asada-delay
:nopity
Why not postpone the season
:lol
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EFC says that this has been dragging on too long, yet have just lodged a case against ASADA in the Fed Court that could take 2 years to fight.
EFC says it has the best interests of the players at heart, yet is willing to roll the dice and risk 2 years instead of the 6 mths that appears to be on the table at the moment.
EFC is adamant that James Hird, who instigated the supplements program, will be coach of the club next year.
Essendon are an embarrassment to the AFL and fair minded football fans.
They should be thrown out of the comp and replaced by a Tassie All Star team until they get their house in order ie full admin and coaching cleanout.
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EFC says that this has beragging on too long, yet have just lodged a case against ASADA in the Fed Court that could take 2 years to fight.
EFC says it has the best interests of the players at heart, yet is willing to roll the dice and risk 2 years instead of the 6 mths that appears to be on the table at the moment.
EFC is adamant that James Hird, who instigated the supplements program, will be coach of the club next year.
Essendon are an embarrassment to the AFL and fair minded football fans.
They should be thrown out of the comp and replaced by a Tassie All Star team until they get their house in order ie full admin and coaching cleanout.
If you have a court case that goes for 5 years -
Almost everyone will be retired by the time they get two year bans.
More so - lawyers, pr people etc. Will be paided via afl equalisation ie.Richmond members anyway.
From the drug cheating perspective - it is the best course of action. When you have morons like Ian Prendergast sprouting verbal poo like a sprinkler, why would you not choose this course of unethical action?
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ASADA has granted an extension in the time given to 34 current and former Essendon players to respond to show-cause notices.
The anti-doping authority has told players, who originally were given 10 days in which to respond, they now have until July 11.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-19/asada-grants-extension
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http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/hoons-rip-up-bombers-turf/20140620-3aibm.html
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqiXccxCUAI9fwx.jpg)
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The poor old red & black sycophants in the media are wrong again :wallywink.
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AFL CHIEF executive Gillon McLachlan has insisted no deal was ever negotiated by the AFL to ensure Essendon players would avoid punishment.
It has been revealed over 50 emails between the AFL and Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority were sent between February and March last year as the saga began unfolding publicly.
McLachlan said those emails didn't contain any special deal for the players to avoid sanction and he didn't know what ASADA's evidence was.
"We worked through with ASADA, a framework that was put to the players about how the investigation was going to run, how the interviews were going to run and what sanctions were available under the code," McLachlan told 3AW.
"That's what that referred to.
"The agreement that was read to the players about how the process was going to run and how the code worked and what was available."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-20/no-deal-with-asada-afl
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what a surprise....
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I swear that Gillon's nose was growing when he was talking today. :shh
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Sports reporter Sam McClure told Neil Mitchell the tyre marks are "severe"
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Battlelines drawn as ASADA hits back at Bombers over injunction
Jon Pierik
The Age
June 24, 2014
The gulf between Essendon and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has exploded, with the anti-doping body accusing the Bombers of trying to stall the investigation and even break ASADA's rules.
As the AFL Players Association on Monday updated the agents of the 34 players issued with show-cause notices in what was described as a "productive" meeting, the Bombers filed an injunction in the Federal Court, seeking to have the players not be required to respond to their show-cause notices until after the Federal Court hearing of the club's challenge to the legality of ASADA's investigation.
The players have until July 11 to respond but that could depend on how successful Essendon and suspended coach James Hird are with their bid to have the joint AFL and ASADA probe quashed. The directions hearing is on Friday.
As tensions appear to be rising, ASADA hit back in a statement. Referencing the undertakings sought by the Bombers on Friday, ASADA said it had granted an extension of time for players to respond to show-cause notices and confirmed "that it had not provided any material to the independent Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel regarding the 34 AFL players and would not do so without seven days further written notice to the players".
"Essendon Football Club's lawyers (Maurice Blackburn Lawyers) were notified early Monday morning of the extension. A short time after this notice was given to Maurice Blackburn, and without any further conferral with ASADA, ASADA became aware of Essendon's application for an urgent injunction via a tweet from a principal at Maurice Blackburn," the statement said.
"Through its proposed undertakings, the Essendon Football Club was asking ASADA to stall its investigations and completely prevent the Authority from disclosing information in accordance with the act.
"To agree to the undertaking would have stopped ASADA performing its statutory functions until the conclusion of the Federal Court case and resulted in further delays."
ASADA said it had wanted to seek a quick resolution to a case that had dragged on for 16 months and suggested the Bombers had harmed this.
"The extension granted by ASADA today was a genuine attempt to seek a compromise to the undertakings sought by the Essendon Football Club and an effort to expedite matters. ASADA believes the decision by Essendon to lodge an application for an urgent injunction is premature, given the further extension provided by ASADA today," the ASADA statement said.
Through lawyer Josh Bornstein at Maurice Blackburn Lawyers, the Bombers have asked that the players not be required to respond to their show-cause notices until after the Federal Court hearing of the club's challenge to the legality of ASADA's investigation.
Beginning on Friday, lawyers for Hird and the Bombers will need to establish if there was a joint investigation. As ASADA chief Ben McDevitt has said, statutory powers allow it to share information during investigations. There are also rules requiring sporting bodies to hand over information to ASADA.
Having declared they would also seek an injunction preventing the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel from determining whether any players should be placed on ASADA's Register of Findings, Essendon's lawyers opted not to follow through on this when they made their submission at 4.30pm. Having a player put on the Register of Findings is the next step towards the AFL starting an infraction process.
Bornstein said he was disappointed the Bombers had needed to make an application for an urgent injunction. He said the anti-doping panel had refused to suspend the investigation despite repeated requests.
“We have written three times to ASADA's lawyers seeking their co-operation to ensure this matter is dealt with quickly by the court and that pending a quick hearing, the investigation and show-cause process be halted. On each occasion ASADA has failed to agree to our request for an appropriate undertaking," Bornstein said.
"It's in the interests of all concerned – the club, the players, the AFL and the football community more broadly – for this legal challenge to be dealt with as quickly as possible.
"It is only fair that ASADA commit to take no further steps in its investigation until after the Federal Court has ruled on the legality of the investigation. If ASADA proceeds, the court will be prevented from effectively ruling on the legality of the investigation because events will have overtaken the legal process.
"Extending the date for responses to the show-cause notices until 11 July and committing to not provide information to the ADRVP until 12 July does not go far enough."
The AFLPA also wants the show-cause period to be extended until after the Federal Court hearing. This could be months away, undermining yet another season for the Bombers.
The 34 current and former players issued with show-cause notices maintain that if they had been given illegal peptides, it was only because they had been duped. The Bombers, and Stephen Dank, the sports scientist at the centre of allegations, maintain nothing illegal was given.
The show-cause notices focus on Thymosin beta 4, classified as an S2 substance under the World Anti-Doping Agency Code. This would typically mean an athlete receiving a ban of between six months and two years. However, the Bombers and Dank argue thymomodulin, an immunity booster safely given to infants, was used. Essendon's former fitness chief Dean Robinson, seeking a $2 million payout from the club for breach of contract, also denies any illegal peptides were administered.
ASADA's evidence against the Bombers relies on evidence and testimony given by Shane Charter, a biochemist and convicted drug importer. He allegedly sourced the raw materials from China ASADA suspects were given to the Essendon players.
The directions hearing on Friday will be televised live on ABC television in an unprecedented move by the Federal Court.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/battlelines-drawn-as-asada-hits-back-at-bombers-over-injunction-20140623-zsif3.html
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with the anti-doping body accusing the Bombers of trying to stall the investigation
Captian obvious to the rescue
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bq4vWJLCEAIJPmJ.jpg)
https://twitter.com/SERG1O_D
;D
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:lol
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Victoria Police have arrested controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank and questioned him about alleged theft-related offences.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-arrest-and-release-stephen-dank-20140625-3ateg.html
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ASADA claims it and the AFL conducted ‘separate’ probes into Essendon, as James Hird dragged Gillon McLachlan and Andrew Demetriou into his Federal Court case.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-and-asada-probes-were-separate-sports-body-claims-20140625-zslso.html
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The saddest aspect of all of this for mine is throughout this saga Essendon has played better footy and attracted better players than we have.
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DOCUMENTS lodged with the Federal Court ahead of Friday's hearing involving Essendon, James Hird and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority point towards a possible August trial.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-25/asada-trial-set-for-august
Yep Bombers, you really want this resolved quickly ::).
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The saddest aspect of all of this for mine is throughout this saga Essendon has played better footy and attracted better players than we have.
Yep.
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The saddest aspect of all of this for mine is throughout this saga Essendon has played better footy and attracted better players than we have.
Yep.
Not really.
Would be easy to motivate the drug cheats.
Everyone is against us etc. Bollocks
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Essendon’s high-stakes court challenge could yet backfire and place the club’s entire 2015 season at risk.
The Herald Sun believes ASADA’s window of opportunity for players to serve six-month suspensions is closing.
It means the Bombers’ daring court action may have already jeopardised the chances of players found guilty of doping being able to serve their suspensions during 2014 or in the off-season.
ASADA could instead recommend 12-month bans be imposed against 34 former and current Bombers players if allegations surrounding the use of Thymosin Beta 4 are heard by an AFL anti-doping tribunal.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/essendons-highstakes-court-challenge-could-backfire-placing-clubs-2015-season-at-risk/story-e6frf3e3-1226968101442
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To b served In the off season ???
WTF'n hell is that about?
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They have an option on the table to basically take 6 months now and miss the last part of this year and pre-season which means they can play Rd 1 next year.
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To b served In the off season ???
WTF'n hell is that about?
Basically Ox, if the Bomber players ignore the Little, Hird & co. legal circus and accept the ASADA evidence that they were given the banned TB4 peptide, then ASADA will go easier on them and give them a six month ban which can be served from now in 2014 or over the off-season/pre-season, so they can then move on after this saga and freely play in 2015.
Edit: Beat me to it TBR :thumbsup.
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I always come first. :shh
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I always come first. :shh
Bet you're a real hit with the ladies.....
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I always come first. :shh
Bet you're a real hit with the ladies.....
Simple but elegant :clapping
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Lol. Well that makes sense.
stuffn wrong, IMO.
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Lol. Well that makes sense.
stuffn wrong, IMO.
But part of the 6 month ban deal insists they must plead guilty to taking the ban substances ;D
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Doesn't the sentence have to be served during the season
I'm sure WP or someone else said that
That's ridiculous if not true
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According to wada yep
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You would hope that any ban out of season would include attending any activities as part of the club - training, team meetings etc, so it would still have a significant impact on them for 2015 (would probably screw it over to be honest). Just giving the players a training program and game plan books wouldn't cut it as far as a pre-season prep goes so they would still be screwed. But if it didn't include club activities.................................. :banghead
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Wada are a stuffin joke if that's true
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Any ban covers off season and in season times, it isn't like a tribunal suspension for a number of games.
The offer is if the players plead guilty they would be suspended for 6 months from say July 1.
Then they will be able to resume on January 1, but for that six months they can't play, train or do anything else officially.
When Warnie was suspended and preparing to return he couldn't train with any contracted player or at any officially funded venue or with any coaches or officials.
So he would have to arrange a venue himself like a school and go and have a net with people outside the system ie club cricketers or mates.
If the Essendon players copped this they miss all the games left this season and have to do their pre-season independently.
It sounds a bit Mickey Mouse but WADA enforce it strongly, they can access phone records and bank statements to check contact and who is funding training etc...
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Are the public allowed to attend these court sessions?
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Are the public allowed to attend these court sessions?
mate il be like newman in the last episode of seinfeld in that room.
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Are the public allowed to attend these court sessions?
mate il be like newman in the last episode of seinfeld in that room.
Better yet Babu the Pakistani immigrant waving his finger going very very very bad man.
Personally I'll be the Soup Nazi even though I want to be the lawyer ending up with Teri Hatcher. :thumbsup
Here's hoping to Essendon and Hird punishments "They're real and they're spectacular." :lol :rollin :lol
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Are the public allowed to attend these court sessions?
mate il be like newman in the last episode of seinfeld in that room.
Better yet Babu the Pakistani immigrant waving his finger going very very very bad man.
Personally I'll be the Soup Nazi even though I want to be the lawyer ending up with Teri Hatcher. :thumbsup
Here's hoping to Essendon and Hird punishments "They're real and they're spectacular." :lol :rollin :lol
hahaha :thumbsup :thumbsup
gold
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Any ban covers off season and in season times, it isn't like a tribunal suspension for a number of games.
The offer is if the players plead guilty they would be suspended for 6 months from say July 1.
Then they will be able to resume on January 1, but for that six months they can't play, train or do anything else officially.
When Warnie was suspended and preparing to return he couldn't train with any contracted player or at any officially funded venue or with any coaches or officials.
So he would have to arrange a venue himself like a school and go and have a net with people outside the system ie club cricketers or mates.
If the Essendon players copped this they miss all the games left this season and have to do their pre-season independently.
It sounds a bit Mickey Mouse but WADA enforce it strongly, they can access phone records and bank statements to check contact and who is funding training etc...
Yep perfect summary TBR
Doesn't the sentence have to be served during the season
I'm sure WP or someone else said that
That's ridiculous if not true
See TBR's summary above,cel pains it perfectly
The 6 months includes games and going anywhere near the club. So they would need to train on their own.
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Same goes for all the services players access through clubs, physios, dieticians, Drs etc
The players have to arrange those themselves and cannot use anyone employed by a club.
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Same goes for all the services players access through clubs, physios, dieticians, Drs etc
The players have to arrange those themselves and cannot use anyone employed by a club.
Yep
Only thing I'd like to know is would the banned players be allowed to train with one another? I doubt it but would be interested to know
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Same goes for all the services players access through clubs, physios, dieticians, Drs etc
The players have to arrange those themselves and cannot use anyone employed by a club.
Yep
Only thing I'd like to know is would the banned players be allowed to train with one another? I doubt it but would be interested to know
Is the consorting with a known crackhead law applicable?
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I would say almost certainly not.
Having been involved in the Australian Cricket set-up when Warnie was suspended it was made clear to all his team mates at Aus and Vic that they could not train with him so I'd be amazed if a suspended player was any different.
There was one occasion during the suspension when Warnie had a bowl in the Adelaide Oval nets with Terry Jenner coaching and Ian Healy (who was retired) wicketkeeping and it took less than a day for WADA to be sniffing around him for using the facilities.
Turned out the Adelaide Oval nets were available to the public to hire so it was all good but one thing is for sure they are always watching, especially with the high profile stuff.
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ESSENDON has lost its bid to put ASADA's investigation on hold.
The AFL club argued in Federal Court that its players should not have to respond to the allegations until after Essendon concludes its court battle with the anti-doping authority.
But Justice John Middleton rejected the application for an injunction, meaning players could have just 14 days to respond to the allegations after receipt of notice which could be delivered any time from next Tuesday.
Read more: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-27/dons-in-court
What a shame lol.
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Is there more of this live telecast? If so where
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PICK THE 34 PLAYERS AND
WIN !!!
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Chief AFL medical officer Peter Harcourt has revealed suspicions of Essendon's illegal use of peptides and supplements were so strong that players were tested by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority in 2012, and fears some players could eventually suffer from ''hormonal issues or cancers''.
Harcourt disclosed this during a speech at a FIFA anti-doping sports conference in Zurich in November.
Read more:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/cancer-fears-for-essendon-players-tests-will-continue-for-many-years-20140702-zstsp.html
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-sent-specimen-samples-of-essendon-players-overseas-in-2012-months-before-club-selfreported/story-fnelctok-1226975648048
Robbo with his red & black glasses on of course tries to spin this away ::) from how damning of Essendon, Harcourt was in his speech.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/revelations-from-dr-john-harcourts-speech-in-zurich-raises-questions-about-afls-actions/story-fni5f0at-1226975677824
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The big c
"One thing we have to deal with, and this is the sobering element, my job now is to work out a program to monitor the players for the next five to 10 years, because they were given such exotic substances, many of them growth factors, which means that we are looking at potential hormonal issues or cancers.
"So now we have to go through a process of looking after these 35-odd players just to make sure nothing really nasty happened to them from this crazy activity that individuals allowed to occur at the club.''
Good work jimmy Hird :bow
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Sen is unbearable withfine, rRalf cheer leading flogs
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The big c
Care to explain the above Bents?
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The big c
Care to explain the above Bents?
Cancer would be my guess, as mentioned in the article.
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Damian Barrett's blunt message to Essendon supporters:
IF .... you want to continue to allow yourself to be brainwashed by those running the club now...
THEN ….. fine. But find some space in your brain for Switkowski's findings too: "... a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented within the club".
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-04/sliding-doors-round-16
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The big c
Care to explain the above Bents?
Cancer
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Loved the comments from the eminent oncologist, Mark 'Bomber' Thompson:
He insists his players aren't facing health risks over the club's 2012 supplements program, despite revelations the AFL was monitoring them over fears of cancer and hormonal problems.
Thompson said on Friday the Essendon players had been extensively briefed by club officials regarding the supplements given to them.
"I think it's OK. The players have been communicated to by specialists and the drugs, the supplements that we have given the players, they know that they're not harmful," Thompson told reporters.
"There's no risk. One actually helps in part of the treatment for cancer.
"So we haven't got a problem there at all as far as our communication and our players' awareness of what's healthy and what's not."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-04/no-cancer-risk-thompson (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-04/no-cancer-risk-thompson)
All this assurance despite being able to provide a shred of evidence about what was given to whom in what dosage. Is it just me or are these idiots some primal form of uber-ostrich that have their collective heads dug so deep in the sand they feel earth tremors before seismic monitoring devices? :huh :huh :huh
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Omg this is beyond a joke, they can't tell anyone what they gave their players because they didn't 'keep records' but somehow they can assure the players what they gave them is not harmful. Throw the book at this club and shut them down, what a farce
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Richmond or Essendon, who produces the most spin?
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JAMES Hird has signalled a move by Essendon to recover its first and second round picks in this year’s national draft.
Hird’s lawyer, Steven Amendola, yesterday declared the AFL’s chief medical officer, Dr Peter Harcourt, during an address in Zurich, had blatantly breached a non-disparagement agreement made with the club in his tell-all Zurich address.
Essendon was fined $2 million and stripped of two years of crucial draft picks last August for bringing the game into dispute.
Amendola told the Herald Sun he believed the Bombers now were within their rights to seek participation in the early rounds of this year’s draft.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/lawyers-representing-james-hird-suggests-essendon-has-case-to-reclaim-2014-draft-picks-players-identities-protected/story-e6frf3e3-1226978247680?
Delusional :rollin
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BOMBERS coach Mark Thompson has thrown down the gauntlet to the AFL, refusing to pay his $30,000 fine over footy’s supplements scandal.
The Herald Sun can reveal Thompson has written to AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan to tell him he does not intend to stump up the cash.
In a direct challenge to the AFL’s authority, Thompson says the fine is null and void because the league breached a “non-disparagement” agreement.
Thompson has already ignored several requests to pay the fine, imposed by the AFL Commission last August and which he believes is not due until October.
The dual premiership coach was understood to have been awaiting the outcome of Essendon’s Federal Court challenge to the joint AFL-Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation before deciding whether to pay the fine.
But after statements by AFL chief medical officer Dr Peter Harcourt emerged this week, Thompson became incensed.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/mark-thompson-refuses-to-pay-30000-fine-over-essendon-doping-scandal/story-fndv7pj3-1226978358116
Delusional part II.
I bet he wouldn't be doing this if there wasn't only 8 weeks remaining in his AFL coaching career :nopity.
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And ASADA hits back ;D
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ASADA ups ante on Essendon
Samantha Lane
The Age
July 5, 2014
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has moved to bolster its case against Essendon players – and Stephen Dank – by seizing an interview where the biochemist discussed the use of banned drug Thymosin Beta-4 at the AFL club.
Fairfax Media can reveal that in recent days ASADA has sought, and obtained, fresh evidence to help corroborate the serious allegation it delivered in writing last month to 34 former and current AFL players.
In show-cause notices, the national anti-doping agency outlined its belief that 34 footballers used Thymosin Beta-4 in a supplements regime conducted largely in secret, and run by Dank, in 2011/12.
Despite demands made in the Federal Court, by Essendon and exiled coach James Hird, that ASADA should halt anti-doping proceedings against the Bombers, it has emerged the drug authority has not been deterred from gathering further evidence.
ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt issued a disclosure notice to Fairfax journalist Nick McKenzie last week, demanding that an on-record interview he conducted with Dank in April, 2013, be handed over.
ASADA’s wide-ranging powers can compel individuals to produce information that would assist the national anti-doping authority with investigations. Refusal to cooperate can incur fines of $5100 per day.
A recording of the on-record portion of the interview where Dank discussed the “immune system” benefits of Thymosin Beta 4 was released to the anti-doping authority this week. A transcript of the on-record discussion was also provided.
In the disclosure notice McDevitt demanded “any and all recordings and notes of conversations had with Mr Stephen Dank in relation to his purported use of Thymosin Beta-4 and, or Thymomodulin at Essendon Football Club in 2010”. No off-the-record material has been passed on to ASADA.
Dank stated in the Fairfax interview: “…There is good data – very good data – that supports Thymosin Beta 4 in the immune system.” Asked about how Thymosin Beta-4 might have helped Essendon players, he said: “Often times the ability to back up next week is decreased by the hit on the immune system.”
Dank explained the dosage level of Thymosin Beta-4 he used at Essendon, but asked that those details not be published. When he was informed that ASADA had just released that Thymosin Beta 4 was prohibited for athletes, Dank said: “Well, that must have just only come in this year and I will get someone to speak to ASADA about that. That's just mind-blowing.”
A day after the interview, Dank sought to retract his comments regarding Thymosin Beta 4 and insisted he had used Thymomodulin, a substance permitted under WADA rules, at Essendon.
While Fairfax has published excerpts of the interview with Dank – portions of which authorities may view as an admission to use of Thymosin Beta-4 – ASADA has now seen fit to consider it as part of its own formal information-gathering process.
The development could have critical ramifications for the footballers, and follows revelations in Federal Court this week that the AFL’s chief medical officer Dr Peter Harcourt told a sports conference last November there was “probable” use of performance-enhancing drugs at Essendon in 2012.
Dr Harcourt also stated at the conference: “Because they [the Essendon players] were given such exotic substances, many of them growth factors, which means that we are looking at potential hormonal issues or cancers.”
The fact ASADA is continuing to gather evidence also suggests it is preparing to pursue the cases it has made against players and Dank regardless of the Federal Court ruling on the validity of the probe it conducted with the AFL last year.
Throughout a 17-month investigation Dank has maintained his program complied with World Anti-Doping Agency rules. After the supplements program commenced, Essendon players obtained written assurances to satisfy themselves that everything in the regime was legal.
The footballers, unified in a group legal defence since ASADA formally accused 34 players of using Thymosin Beta-4, are disputing the allegation that could lead to bans of between six months and two years.
With show-cause notices issued, however, players are now in the position where they must prove they did not use Thymosin Beta-4.
Dank was issued with a show-cause notice from ASADA some 16 weeks ago. The notice alleged he committed more than 30 anti-doping rule violations during his time working for Essendon and the Gold Coast Suns.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-ups-ante-on-essendon-20140704-zswsf.html
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Essendon's board, virtually unchanged through a doping probe that has seen an overhaul of the club's football department, could yet be scrutinised for a program the AFL's medical boss believes involved ''probable'' use of banned drugs.
In his stunningly candid address in Zurich last November, Dr Peter Harcourt also flagged the ''need'' to look at the top of the tree at Essendon.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-board-could-be-facing-scrutiny-20140704-zsx22.html
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Whack.
:lol
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Did anybody else notice Bomber Thompson's slip of the tongue when he referred to the "drugs" they'd administered to the players, then quickly corrected himself and said "supplements"? Gold.
Then he stammered out some pitiful excuse that some of these "supplements' even helped in the prevention of cancer.
Also, it was pretty funny the other day, Essendon claiming they'd had a win in court because the judge had agreed to protect the anonymity of the players involved. I think that when the Bummers run out with a gaping hole of about 20 absentee players on the field for the next couple of years, the public will be able to fill in the blanks somehow.
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Loved the comments from the eminent oncologist, Mark 'Bomber' Thompson:
He insists his players aren't facing health risks over the club's 2012 supplements program, despite revelations the AFL was monitoring them over fears of cancer and hormonal problems.
Thompson said on Friday the Essendon players had been extensively briefed by club officials regarding the supplements given to them.
"I think it's OK. The players have been communicated to by specialists and the drugs, the supplements that we have given the players, they know that they're not harmful," Thompson told reporters.
"There's no risk. One actually helps in part of the treatment for cancer.
"So we haven't got a problem there at all as far as our communication and our players' awareness of what's healthy and what's not."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-04/no-cancer-risk-thompson (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-04/no-cancer-risk-thompson)
All this assurance despite being able to provide a shred of evidence about what was given to whom in what dosage. Is it just me or are these idiots some primal form of uber-ostrich that have their collective heads dug so deep in the sand they feel earth tremors before seismic monitoring devices? :huh :huh :huh
Omg this is beyond a joke, they can't tell anyone what they gave their players because they didn't 'keep records' but somehow they can assure the players what they gave them is not harmful. Throw the book at this club and shut them down, what a farce
It's getting hot in the kitchen
Doctor bomber can cure cancer :clapping
With undocumented drugs. That just happen to not be to WADA banned
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Send them a message and give players the maximum potential bans. Bugger them thinking they are above it all. Who cares who said what and what was taken, the fact that you kept 0 records of it is mind boggling :banghead
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And ASADA hits back ;D
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ASADA ups ante on Essendon
Samantha Lane
The Age
July 5, 2014
ASADA’s wide-ranging powers can compel individuals to produce information that would assist the national anti-doping authority with investigations. Refusal to cooperate can incur fines of $5100 per day.
Dank was issued with a show-cause notice from ASADA some 16 weeks ago. The notice alleged he committed more than 30 anti-doping rule violations during his time working for Essendon and the Gold Coast Suns.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-ups-ante-on-essendon-20140704-zswsf.html
He should be up for atleast $650000 now if they're serious.
What a bunch of softies are running ASADA its a bloody joke it's gone on this long.
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Caro goes whack ;D
Essendon continues to duck for cover
Caroline Wilson
The Age
July 8, 2014
The latest and potentially most laughable attempt by Essendon to make the AFL accountable for its own dangerous and potentially illegal drugs program has struck a chord as the club continues to point the finger and duck for cover while making its way through a costly line of courtrooms.
And that chord has nothing to do with the Bombers’ illogical conspiracy theories nor their delusional attacks on the AFL’s Dr Peter Harcourt. What has become increasingly apparent as the club continues to show no remorse is that the AFL was soft on Essendon.
The Adelaide Football Club has every right to question why Essendon has been allowed back into the national draft at the end of its first round when the Crows were stripped of two rounds of picks for two years over the Kurt Tippett affair – a serious transgression but incomparable to the human experimentation that went on at Windy Hill.
Adelaide chief executive Stephen Trigg deserved his six month unpaid suspension, but he must be wondering how James Hird – whose actions caused his club to be charged with bringing the game into disrepute – was given a two-year contract extension and a fully-paid gap year at a time when Essendon is rattling the tins to pay for its new Tullamarine facility.
Departed Melbourne football boss Chris Connolly, along with friends and family of the late Dean Bailey – both suspended for their role in the tanking affair – must be wondering how senior assistant Mark Thompson won a promotion and a pay rise for failing to control the drug program instigated by Stephen Dank, Dean Robinson and Hird.
The AFL fined Thompson the paltry sum of $30,000 and gave him more for than 12 months to pay it. Now Thompson is questioning the fine on the basis that Harcourt disparaged Essendon by telling the truth in a keynote speech to an international conference. If that was disparagement, then what were Tania Hird’s public rantings and conspiracy theories?
Thompson’s latest pearler on the subject would be laughable too if the situation was not so shameful. The caretaker coach said on Friday that no harmful drugs were given to his players. "There’s no risk," said Thompson. "One actually helps in part of the treatment for cancer."
Thompson, who virtually appointed himself Hird’s mentor and guide and was paid handsomely to be as much, had no right nor basis to form this opinion because the club still cannot tell the players what drugs they were given. The players were warned by ASADA and AFL investigators and their players’ union last year that they faced long-term health risks and yet Harcourt has been used as their fall guy for mentioning cancer because his organisation is helping monitor those risks.
At any rate Thompson’s comments begged the question: Why were the Bombers given anti-carcinogenic drugs? Why for that matter were they given anti-obesity drugs? Why on earth were they given a drug used for the treatment of muscular dystrophy? Why is the club trying to stall ASADA’s investigation when the players and their families deserve answers, not avoidance?
But the AFL was weakest of all in its handling of club doctor Bruce Reid. That Harcourt has been in the gun, when Essendon had a doctor whose obligation was to put his players’ health ahead of personal friendships and club loyalty and yet could not meet those obligations, remains baffling.
Reid was so concerned about the drugs program he wrote a letter to senior football staff including Hird. He now says he believed his concerns had been dealt with and that he was frozen out. How can Reid have been so blind for so many months?
And if he was, why did he show ongoing slavish devotion to Hird throughout the course of last year as the awful truth emerged? Reid had a responsibility to know what was happening and follow up on his disturbing letter. It is not enough for him to alone blame Dank and Robinson.
In the end, he failed his players and now the system must monitor them over the long term for all manner of serious health problems.
Reid should have been suspended but was saved by his longevity in the job, the implications for his medical status and the good bloke discount that applies too often in the AFL.
Essendon in turn admitted him into the club’s Hall Of Fame.
And yet Reid believed he escaped suspension because he threatened to take the AFL to court. Hird believes he took the fall for others and now apparently – despite his heartfelt apology to the Commission last August – is back to square one in the belief he did nothing wrong. How on earth can he be entrusted with his players again if he cannot see what he was guilty of in the past?
The legal manoeuvre by Essendon and Hird is damaging to the game. Hird remains delusional, but the action cannot help the 34 players he purports to defend in the long run. Was Hird – and Reid for that matter – to finally put his hand up and admit to some serious failings then that would help the footballers he failed as the players’ defence is largely based upon the fact they were misled.
But that is unlikely to happen. The way we see it Hird loses either way. Should the players receive infraction notices his job is gone and so – potentially – is his payout. Should he finally do the right thing and take responsibility and stop the finger-pointing he clearly fears he will lose his job, and what lies ahead for him then?
Gemba? Unlikely. Who could possibly turn to a company Hird once fronted, a company priding itself on corporate governance expertise with Hird as a major player?
This regime – including the board which continues to push its legal charade in an attempt to bury the truth – remains so deluded regarding its clear responsibilities. That anyone involved with Essendon attempted to spread the story that the alleged player mother who called Triple M was a fraud when that could not have been known is so shameful.
Then again perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised. This after all was a regime born in deception. As matters stand that is probably the way it will die. But that death looks headed to be long and slow.
Had the AFL been tougher, truly taken Essendon on, worried less about the deal and avoiding court and more about doing the right thing then perhaps the short-term pain of a troubled September would have been worth the long-term gain.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-continues-to-duck-for-cover-20140707-zsz9w.html
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Caro goes whack ;D
:yep and has the guts to write what a lot of people think
:bow
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Caro goes whack ;D
:yep and has the guts to write what a lot of people every single AFL person except for Essendon supporters and sycophants think
:bow
Edited for accuracy
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My queen
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James Hird inc. Having a go at kB and Patrick smith
Delusion
Deflection
Delusion
Drug cheats
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Gee whiz bomber
Loved the comments from the eminent oncologist, Mark 'Bomber' Thompson:
He insists his players aren't facing health risks over the club's 2012 supplements program, despite revelations the AFL was monitoring them over fears of cancer and hormonal problems.
Thompson said on Friday the Essendon players had been extensively briefed by club officials regarding the supplements given to them.
"I think it's OK. The players have been communicated to by specialists and the drugs, the supplements that we have given the players, they know that they're not harmful," Thompson told reporters.
"There's no risk. One actually helps in part of the treatment for cancer.
"So we haven't got a problem there at all as far as our communication and our players' awareness of what's healthy and what's not."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-04/no-cancer-risk-thompson (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-04/no-cancer-risk-thompson)
All this assurance despite being able to provide a shred of evidence about what was given to whom in what dosage. Is it just me or are these idiots some primal form of uber-ostrich that have their collective heads dug so deep in the sand they feel earth tremors before seismic monitoring devices? :huh :huh :huh
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Caro goes whack ;D
:yep and has the guts to write what a lot of people every single AFL person except for Essendon supporters and sycophants think
:bow
Edited for accuracy
Was actually going to type that Smokey but some on here get upset and accuse one of having no right to speak for them :rollin
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John Ralph is a really quality journalist isn't he. not a twit.
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Stephen Dank, the man at the centre of the Essendon supplements scandal, insists the players knew what they had been administered and has described the club’s internal report into his injecting program as ''absolute rubbish''.
As tensions rise amid the fall-out of a saga that threatens to hijack a second straight AFL season, Dank insisted the players had not been duped in his 2011-12 peptides program.
‘‘I would say it would be very unusual for the players to say they didn’t know what they were taking,’’ Dank said on Tuesday. ‘‘I think that, in my personal opinion, they not only knew what they were taking but they understood what they were taking. The reasons for why I say that, again, will be discussed in the appropriate forum.’’
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-players-knew-what-they-had-been-given-claims-stephen-dank-20140708-zt0kq.html
That's why what you gave the players was all properly recorded, Dank ..... oh that's right it wasn't! ::)
Dank is throwing the Essendon players under the bus. If an athlete knowing knows what he/she has taken then say hello to a two-year ban.
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I thought the story was that only Essendon said that there were no records kept?
I thought that Dank always claimed to have kept records, he just refused to disclose them?
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I thought the story was that only Essendon said that there were no records kept?
I thought that Dank always claimed to have kept records, he just refused to disclose them?
You may be right Muscles about what Dank has claimed. However, if they exist then why won't Dank come forward and reveal them?
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Forget the sideshow, the story is about the Essendon players
Damian Barrett
afl.com.au
July 9, 2014 3:33 PM
THERE'S no risk. One, actually, helps in part of the treatment for cancer - Mark Thompson, Essendon coach, July 4, 2014.
And there it is. Just when we'd either forgotten, had our thoughts hijacked by the lawyers and sideshow arguments, or maybe could no longer care what this entire Essendon drugs investigation was actually about, Mark Thompson reminded us.
It is about a group of men, some of them teenagers, whose blind faith in those in charge at Essendon Football Club saw them administered drugs their bodies didn't need, all in the self-proclaimed whatever-it-takes pursuit of success.
Absorb, for a moment, what Thompson said. Essendon players, none of whom had been diagnosed with cancer, were given a drug to treat cancer. Confirmed.
Hey, not only are there no cancer worries down the track for our players, not that Thompson or anyone else at his club will ever know for sure, but hey, they've actually been given an anti-cancer drug.
It is many things, Thompson's statement, mainly a summary of the brazen arrogance with which Essendon went about its operations two years ago.
It is also offensive - to people who actually don't have a choice but to, every single day, take drugs which treat cancer, simply to ensure they stay alive. If you don't have cancer, why take a drug which treats it?
Thompson this year has admirably gone about his role as coach. He has never baulked at addressing the wrongs of the past, and his constant protection of players is leadership at its finest. But his words last week were poorly chosen and delivered.
There was a period of time when Essendon's drugs program was aligned with consent forms signed by its players.
There was also a period when certain substances were administered before those forms were signed.
The AFL Players' Association has confirmed this, and remains doubly concerned as to what happened in this period.
Was the cancer drug administered before or post the consent forms? Maybe both.
In a story which will never have the full truth revealed, facts such as Thompson's confirmation of use of a drug which treats cancer, and the AFLPA's fears of the pre-consent period are crucial to its telling.
Forget all the sideshows. Of who said what to whom on the night before Essendon officially self-reported. The claim of illegality levelled at the joint ASADA-AFL probe. The identity of "the Triple M mum". The AFL's Dr Peter Harcourt's address in Zurich. Essendon chairman Paul Little's belated regret that David Evans asked for the club to be investigated. Former coach James Hird's court action.
Forget all of it and instead focus on the fact that fit, young men were given a drug to treat cancer. And another drug to combat obesity. And other drugs.
Focus, also, on the fact Little was a senior member of the Essendon board when it decided to self-report, and then commission Ziggy Switkowski to investigate the club's actions in a report which found the Bombers, in the late 2011 and 2012 period in question, had combined to "create a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented within the club in the period under review".
Yet Essendon now will happily sheet all blame back to just a few people. It wants us all to believe that Stephen Dank is to blame for virtually everything, and that he is a man not to be trusted.
Yet as it discredits him at every turn, it trusts him, and demands that everyone else do so too, when he says he didn't give Essendon players WADA-banned drugs.
He may not have, but 34 past and current players have been issued with ASADA show-cause notices relating to alleged use of thymosin Beta 4 during Dank's time at the club.
The full truth, that commodity Hird was initially so desperate to discover, and the one which was supposedly going to put him and everyone at Essendon in a far better place, will never be revealed.
We all need to get our heads around that.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-09/its-all-about-the-essendon-players
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I thought the story was that only Essendon said that there were no records kept?
I thought that Dank always claimed to have kept records, he just refused to disclose them?
You may be right Muscles about what Dank has claimed. However, if they exist then why won't Dank come forward and reveal them?
Fair point, OE. Dank has always claimed to have records that would prove the supplements program to be WADA compliant. He would have been able to kill this investigation stone dead if he revealed them.
So that would seem to raise four possibilities;
1. He has the records and they don't contain any banned compounds, but by not revealing them he believes he may gain some kind of benefit that would more than compensate him for the damage to his reputation.
2. He has the records and they are damning, but by not revealing them he believes he may avoid any adverse consequences stemming from the contents of the records.
3. He's bluffing and doesn't have any records, but by claiming that they do exist, he believes he may avoid adverse consequences or gain some sort of advantage.
4. He has the records and is seriously upset about the way he's been treated by all parties involved in the situation and simply won't cooperate with any of the parties.
Maybe it'll all become clear in the fullness of time, or maybe it won't.
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I vote 3.
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THERE'S no risk. One, actually, helps in part of the treatment for cancer - Mark Thompson, Essendon coach, July 4, 2014.
I don't intend to be brazen. Yet i cannot help but wonder why Mr Thompson does not attend the Royal Children's Hospital alerting the Oncology department to such information.
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5) He has fraudulently obtained records.
Jail.
Lock the idiot up.
stuffn weasel.
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ASADA says it will pursue alleged 34 Essendon players even if investigation declared unlawful.
Michael Warner and Grant Baker
Herald Sun
July 11, 2014 8:00PM
ASADA has signalled it will pursue doping cases against 34 former and current Essendon players — even if its joint investigation with the AFL is declared unlawful.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority outlined its intended defence in the Federal Court fight against the Bombers and suspended coach James Hird on Friday.
A three-day trial begins on August 11.
The ASADA defence includes the assertion that the anti-doping body could relaunch an investigation into the Bombers if it loses the court case using beefed-up powers given to it last year.
“Even if ASADA obtained information unlawfully in the course of the joint investigation (which is denied), the grant of relief should be refused on discretionary grounds because ASADA could lawfully obtain all of the exact same information (again) by the issue of disclosure notices ... and then issue fresh show-cause notices to the players,” ASADA said in documents lodged on Friday.
ASADA will admit its decision to issue the 34 show-cause notices was heavily reliant on information provided by the AFL.
“The Respondent (ASADA) admits that the Respondent’s decision to issue the Notices was based substantially upon information provided by the AFL to ASADA in the course of the joint investigation,” ASADA said.
ASADA also asserts for the first time that the joint investigation with the AFL was part of its wider probe into Essendon.
The anti-doping agency revealed it had moved to investigate Essendon before joining forces with the AFL on February 5 last year.
“ASADA had decided to conduct ASADA’s Investigation before, and independently of, entry into the agreement,” the agency said.
“ASADA admits that in early February 2013 ASADA and the AFL agreed that each would conduct, each with the aid of the other, what both ASADA and the AFL thereafter described, from time to time, as a ‘joint investigation’.
“ASADA’s participation in the ‘joint investigation’ comprised part of an investigation carried out by ASADA under the ACT and NAD Scheme (ASADA’s Investigation).”
ASADA said it will argue before Justice John Middleton that Essendon “requested” and “thereafter expressed support” for a joint investigation.
The agency also disputes that the interim report provided to the AFL last August was in breach of confidentiality laws and alludes to the governance failings of the club and key officials.
“The Applicant (Essendon), the AFL, followers of the AFL competition, and the public at large are all aware of the existence of very serious issues surrounding adherence to anti-doping rules ... in circumstances where the Applicant brought the game into disrepute by failing to implement proper governance and accountability mechanisms,” ASADA states.
Of Hird, ASADA said: “There is, therefore, a compelling public interest against the grant of relief.”
The AFL will not say whether it sought legal advice before establishing the joint investigation.
Asked about its validity earlier this month, new AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said: “That will be decided by the Federal Court and that has sort of got nothing to do with us.”
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/asada-says-it-will-pursue-alleged-34-essendon-players-even-if-investigation-declared-unlawful/story-e6frf3e3-1226986128398
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I thought the story was that only Essendon said that there were no records kept?
I thought that Dank always claimed to have kept records, he just refused to disclose them?
You may be right Muscles about what Dank has claimed. However, if they exist then why won't Dank come forward and reveal them?
Fair point, OE. Dank has always claimed to have records that would prove the supplements program to be WADA compliant. He would have been able to kill this investigation stone dead if he revealed them.
So that would seem to raise four possibilities;
1. He has the records and they don't contain any banned compounds, but by not revealing them he believes he may gain some kind of benefit that would more than compensate him for the damage to his reputation.
2. He has the records and they are damning, but by not revealing them he believes he may avoid any adverse consequences stemming from the contents of the records.
3. He's bluffing and doesn't have any records, but by claiming that they do exist, he believes he may avoid adverse consequences or gain some sort of advantage.
4. He has the records and is seriously upset about the way he's been treated by all parties involved in the situation and simply won't cooperate with any of the parties.
Maybe it'll all become clear in the fullness of time, or maybe it won't.
True Muscles. No doubt Dank and Essendon will continue to spin, deflect, delay and keep things as murky as possible. Like Smokey, I vote for your point (3) as everytime Dank has had the opportunity to back up his claims, he wimps out of it. He did it again when interviewed by Graham Cornes in Adelaide recently.
Dank could have answered the one burning question
Jon Pierik
The Age
July 9, 2014
If there was one question Stephen Dank could have answered during his radio interview with friend and former Adelaide Crows coach Graham Cornes on Tuesday night, it was this.
Dank was asked whether he could detail what peptides had been given to the Essendon players during the club's 2011-12 supplements program. He was asked specifically about Thymosin beta 4, the banned drug the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority alleges was given to the 34 former and current players.
Dank's response: "Obviously, I can't because of the impending court action."
Well, that's not right. According to lawyers consulted by Fairfax Media on Wednesday, if Dank knew categorically what had been administered, and those drugs were not prohibited, then there was nothing which could "prevent or inhibit" him clearing up the question those interested in this saga want to know.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dank-could-have-answered-the-one-burning-question-20140709-zt1e7.html
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IMO
It's pretty obvious - there were records of injects drugs. On paper. On computers.
And due to drug cheating...
They were destroyed
You can't tell me: you injected a football club ten thousand times, or whatever, and no one wrote anything down in regards to what gear was going into which vein. I don't see how Hird, the CEOs, dank, reid, bomber etc. don't go to prison for a long time for breaking medical / OHS laws. In this day and age the amount of rules against a undocumented mass drug injecting club program that including various drugs would be numerous
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Of course there were records, anyone who thinks or even doubts there weren't any, is deluded. Football clubs monitor EVERYTHING, they know how many km's each player ran in week 3,7,15 etc of each preseason, they know their heart rates during each session historically and build a profile based on years of data - and yet they tell us records were never kept.. ::) "look we even sacked Dean Wallis who was meant to be in charge of documenting it" Someone should check out what Wallis is doing now and what sort of payments he's received/will receive for being the fall guy. Guarantee there will be something there.
Lets say they get away with their schoolboy the-dog-ate-my-homework excuse - Worksafe Victoria should be then shutting them down.
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You can't abuse an ump publically you'll get fined and it will be documented.
Something like thousands of injections administered and I can see how that can get lost in the whole scheme of things.
Maybe the paperwork got lost in the move from Windy Hill to Tullamarine?
The document storage company has a lot to answer for.
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If you give it some thought - it all makes Mark Thompson "we cure, not cause cancer" (or something crazy to that effect) all the more alarming. You are performing this miracle and yet it was somehow not documented? Talk about the elephant in the room.
if this was a country club or an Amos team that would be anal rammed by the powers to be.
I know the afl is powerful and has a lot of money but I am unsure how long the EFC can hide behind them. The spiral of lies is so contradictory that I am very much looking forward to the movie.
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So anyway what's going to happen to these cheats
9th again. Tigers into 8th?
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How funny would that be!! :lol :pray
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How funny would that be!! :lol :pray
Beat Collingwood or Nought at the G. ;D
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Can anyone tell me if this court case has anything to do with the players and their notices
From what I remember they have yo accept it by a certain date to be allowed the lenient punishment
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Newsflash - Essendon has established James Hird's new role for round 23 when he returns to the fray. >>
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Dean Robinson lists 17 subpoenas in fight against Bombers, AFL
Jon Peirik
The Age
August 5, 2014
Former Essendon fitness chief Dean Robinson has handed out 17 subpoenas as part of his $2 million court case against the Bombers, with former club chairman David Evans even asked to explain any investment opportunities he may have had with peptide and supplement companies.
As revealed by Fairfax Media on Sunday, Robinson's lawyer David Galbally has lifted the stakes in his client's unfair dismissal claim. The names of those subpoenaed were released in the Supreme Court on Monday, although it emerged that suspended coach James Hird, caretaker coach Mark Thompson, club doctor Bruce Reid and former football boss Danny Corcoran had not been ordered to hand over documents relating to Robinson's demise and the club's controversial supplements program.
AFL chief Gillon McLachlan, his predecessor Andrew Demetriou, Hird's wife Tania, former Essendon chief Ian Robson, current chairman Paul Little and News Corp journalist Mark Robinson were among those subpoenaed.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dean-robinson-lists-17-subpoenas-in-fight-against-bombers-afl-20140804-100csk.html#ixzz39R4YUnaE
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Interesting to see two Essendonian members now involved!!!
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Is ok robbo
Just keep writing crap
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THE Bombers board faces a challenge from supporters, including former players and board members, who are unhappy over its handling of the supplements saga.
Essendon’s annual general meeting in November is looming as a showdown that will involve some of the club’s most influential supporters.
It is possible multiple tickets will challenge the Paul Little-led board, which remains deeply divided on matters including the return of James Hird as senior coach.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-football-club-former-players-and-board-members-muster-challenge-to-club/story-fndv8gad-1227017257058
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Oh noes
Vlad knew essendon were drug cheats
Should totally not ban the drug cheats
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its unlawful to investigate us for drug cheating
i insist everything dropped immediately
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-will-be-the-star-witness-when-essendon-and-asada-face-off-in-federal-court/story-fni5f6kv-1227019862165
live stream
death to essendon
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Neil Young QC starts for Essendon saying AFL and ASADA started a joint investigation without agreement of club or Hird
:'( :'( :'(
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god Neil Young talks slow :sleep
hope hes not the one on 20k for the day...
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judge has already made up his mind me thinks :shh
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Judge: Even if those ASADA acted unlawfully acting with the AFL, if the notices are based on lawful evidence then they still stand, yes?
Hird Lawyer: well yes, but but but but
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David Grace:
The poor players were held to the standards of the playing contract they signed.
that the players weren't given the option to lie.
:'( :'( :'(
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They stopped for lunch back at 2.15
No more cameras for the remainder of the trial
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So are we meant to know if the players are getting charged by the end of the 3(?) day trial?
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David Grace:
The poor players were held to the standards of the playing contract they signed.
that the players weren't given the option to lie.
:'( :'( :'(
the poor yet well played players appear to be in line to sue the club ;D
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Middleton says "Even if club and coach are successful in their appeal, nothing prevents asada from starting again or continuing the investigation"
Nice! :lol
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James hird on the stand now. Playing the Nuremberg defense
Befehl ist Befehl
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Such a poo person is hird.
Spearheads the implementation of peptides and more upon a generation of kids,
goes overseas and comes back trying to lag anyone he can.
What a piece of work~~
This is fantastic to watch, full knowing he's stuffed and is just grasping at straws, all the while killing his perceived public image every time he makes a call.
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Such a poo person is hird.
Spearheads the implementation of peptides and more upon a generation of kids,
goes overseas and comes back trying to lag anyone he can.
What a piece of work~~
This is fantastic to watch, full knowing he's stuffed and is just grasping at straws, all the while killing his perceived public image every time he makes a call.
Said it back on page ..... well who knows but it was a while ago 40 pages perhaps
With friends like James you really don't need enemies
And please give me a break he signed that deed of understanding with the AFL (his agreed punishment) because he felt pressued and under extreme duress....
He must really think we are morons
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Disgusting that this is a trial about the legality of the investigation, not what they took. Just reading through comments here and on BF and stuff it sounds like the AFL may get cop a whack but the show cause notices will stand. How can Hird honestly expect to stay in the AFL after this? He is throwing just about everyone under the bus as he goes. Grow up and take some responsibility you gimp.
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Disgusting that this is a trial about the legality of the investigation, not what they took. Just reading through comments here and on BF and stuff it sounds like the AFL may get cop a whack but the show cause notices will stand. How can Hird honestly expect to stay in the AFL after this? He is throwing just about everyone under the bus as he goes. Grow up and take some responsibility you gimp.
Agree.
Great that the afl is in the mix.
Pathetic how much of a lagging rat dog Hird is, to save his own, already tarnished arse
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"Im just shocked to be sitting here. But we cant wait to have our day in court".
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Disgusting that this is a trial about the legality of the investigation, not what they took. Just reading through comments here and on BF and stuff it sounds like the AFL may get cop a whack but the show cause notices will stand. How can Hird honestly expect to stay in the AFL after this? He is throwing just about everyone under the bus as he goes. Grow up and take some responsibility you gimp.
:clapping :clapping
Excellent post dwaino :bow
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/sorry-might-be-the-principal-word-for-a-lot-of-people-after-footballs-supplements-saga/story-fni5f0at-1227019788197
Robbos lost the plot. Its all above his head I'm afraid
The players deserve an apology.
For being drug cheats? Oh dear.
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Disgusting that this is a trial about the legality of the investigation, not what they took. Just reading through comments here and on BF and stuff it sounds like the AFL may get cop a whack but the show cause notices will stand. How can Hird honestly expect to stay in the AFL after this? He is throwing just about everyone under the bus as he goes. Grow up and take some responsibility you gimp.
Got to wonder what the players think of Hird now. Let alone the club officials.
id be stunned if he is allowed to another Essendon game as a paying supporter, let alone allowed to coach again
(http://androxa.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/bridge_burning1.jpg)
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Standbyhird#
When he was 10, James Hird's father asked him what he wanted to do with his life. The blond boy looked up at his dad and very clearly stated: "I want to captain Essendon to a premiership, marry a blonde girl and live happily ever after."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/messiah-or-pariah-20130802-2r549.html#ixzz8mw7XzavQ
You did good jimmy, you did good
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Why aren't the camera allowed in anymore?
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Such a poo person is hird.
Spearheads the implementation of peptides and more upon a generation of kids,
goes overseas and comes back trying to lag anyone he can.
What a piece of work~~
This is fantastic to watch, full knowing he's stuffed and is just grasping at straws, all the while killing his perceived public image every time he makes a call.
Said it back on page ..... well who knows but it was a while ago 40 pages perhaps
With friends like James you really don't need enemies
And please give me a break he signed that deed of understanding with the AFL (his agreed punishment) because he felt pressued and under extreme duress....
He must really think we are morons
If only the 2 of you knew how on the money.......well, anyways.
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Can we change the thread title from "AFL" to "Anal"?
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Now Hird's trying to claim Essendon forced him to say everything he previously said and to accept the suspension ::). What are you James - a 5 year old?! ::) :nopity
Do we need any further proof the guy is a narcissist putting himself above the interests of his players, his club and the game itself! ::)
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ASADA: James Hird says he took one-year ban 'under duress' over Essendon supplement regime
ABC.net.au
Mon 11 Aug 2014, 7:54pm
Suspended coach James Hird says he accepted his one-year suspension and signed a deed of settlement with the AFL "under great threats, duress and inducement".
The Essendon Football Club and Hird have begun their Federal Court challenge to the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) investigation into the club's 2012 supplements program.
The challenge comes 18 months after the anti-doping authority launched its investigation.
The AFL and Essendon came to the settlement in August 2013, which saw the club banned from that year's finals series, fined $2 million and stripped of picks in the 2013 and 2014 drafts.
Hird was suspended for a year, assistant Mark Thompson was fined $30,000 and football manager Danny Corcoran was banned from working with any AFL team for six months.
The AFL acknowledged that individuals at the club and Essendon itself did not set out to implement a supplements program that would see players administered with banned or harmful substances.
Hird also told the court he was told to take full responsibility for the controversial supplements program because it would be good for the club and his reputation.
He said he disagreed with Essendon doing a press conference in February 2013 in which it announced it would hold a joint investigation into the program with ASADA, but was told to toe the line.
When asked by lawyers representing ASADA why he did not voice his disagreement at the press conference he replied it was not how press conferences worked at football clubs.
"I disagreed with what Mr Evans was going to say the morning he said it," Hird said.
"I was asked by the Essendon Football Club not to shirk the issue.
"I was told it would be better for the club if we went along this path."
But Hird said he spoke privately of his concerns to then-CEO David Evans.
He also said he was not invited to a high level meeting between Essendon, ASADA and the AFL, held after the press conference, and was not told what it was about.
Hird also told the court he was told to tell the truth about the program, but not to mention "the tip off" given to Mr Evans by then-AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou.
He said there was no choice from the AFL but to cooperate, and if he remained silent he would be sanctioned by the league.
He said he was told: "if you cooperate, it will go well for the players".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-11/james-hird-told-to-take-responsibility-for-essendon/5663096
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"Befehl ist Befeh
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How funny the club tells him to take responsibility for the sake of his own image which he disagreed with but pretty much the moment he started shifting the blame is when his reputation started going downhill fast. Seems the club got it right but Hird thinks he can do no wrong
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Eighteen months and James Hird still doesn't get it
Caroline Wilson
The Age
August 12, 2014
James Hird, true to the whisperings of his camp for more than 15 months, did not really believe he was responsible for his football department or his players. Nor did Hird believe the club was genuinely self-reporting when it fronted the public in February last year and admitted its nasty and dangerous problem.
In fact the Essendon coach fronted the media alongside his fellow club chiefs and former colleagues David Evans and Ian Robson only because Gillon McLachlan suggested he should do so “for the look of the club and my reputation”. He finally agreed to sign a deal with the AFL “under duress, threats and inducements”. He was told by Evans, his former close friend, to omit evidence when being interviewed by ASADA and in fact was unwilling to be interviewed by the anti-doping body at all.
So the key question at some point for Hird is just what exactly was he responsible for? What did he truly stand for while he claimed to be acting only in the best interests of his players and at what point during this entire sorry saga did he actually think and act on his own behalf? If his apology behind closed doors to the AFL Commission was insincere then how can his club truly move forward with Hird at the helm?
As the Federal Court and Justice John Middleton continue to deliberate over the legality of the joint investigation carried out into Essendon by ASADA and the AFL it was also suggested in evidence on Monday that the Australian anti-doping body would simply re-issue show-cause notices to 34 Essendon players whether or not the work they have done already was valid. If that is correct the tactic by Essendon will serve to expose the inadequacies of last year’s processes but do nothing to save its players.
It has also served to devalue the reputation of the AFL and its past and present chiefs but there again the AFL remains certain it has broken no laws. The AFL has always disputed it definitively knew that Essendon was the club at the centre of doping allegations after it was briefed by the Australian Crime Commission. Both Andrew Demetriou and Gillon McLachlan have always stressed this despite having the strongest of suspicions that the Bombers were the club.
It is understood that both the current boss McLachlan and his predecessor still deny they left the meeting on January 31, 2013 with a definite answer and there is even genuine dispute as to whether the ACC’s director of operations, Paul Jevtovic, actually uttered the words “say no more” after McLachlan asked: “Is it Essendon.” The AFL Commission’s version of events is that the ACC refused to confirm the club involved.
Nonetheless it remains unfortunate that Demetriou chose the words he did when denying last year that he had tipped off David Evans. No one, except perhaps Hird, would have had a problem with an AFL chief giving counsel to a distressed club chairman concerned that his players were in trouble. Demetriou should have admitted he believed the club was Essendon and Evans, if Hird is telling the truth, should never have told the coach to hide anything from ASADA.
Not that the process changes the bottom line in this seemingly never-ending story. And that finally is the question of what the players took, or were given as they worked in this “pharmaceutically experimental environment’’.
On Tuesday, when Hird takes the stand again and continues to point the finger at an investigation he allowed himself to enter into, the AFL will again be forced to roll with his well-aimed punches.
It has not been a happy few days for the AFL, ASADA and the departed Gillard government. That a government was so concerned about the look of the process – and ASADA so incompetent in its willingness to make deals – should be a matter of concern to a sport-loving nation.
The AFL will do things differently next time and so they should. But it remains less and less likely that Hird will get the chance to redeem himself.
Hird knows that when he returns to Essendon later this month he will be doing so under the guidance of a board that remains divided as to whether he should be allowed to return or not. Judging by his performance on day one of the Federal Court deliberations he certainly doesn’t deserve that chance.
During his evidence expected to be put forward under examination on Tuesday by his own legal team, perhaps Hird will finally and unreservedly apologise for the damage his regime has done to his club. Then again perhaps not.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/eighteen-months-and-james-hird-still-doesnt-get-it-20140811-102xza.html
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Whack
:lol
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Hird: "at no time have I said something in public that I didn't believe was the truth". Mcnicol visibly excited and asked him to repeat it
10:27am - 12 Aug 14
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Hird doesn't agree that investigation was initiated by Essendon
Hird agrees with the statement that anyone who loves the game should let ASADA do its job
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:rollin
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisKaias
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisKaias
Have to say Chris Kaias is doing a brillaint job tweeting detaisl of the trial through :clapping
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There is a very small part of me and it is minuscule TBBH that would be prepared to see the players get off if it meant James Hird was banished from AFL footy forever
Which is what he deserves, as Caro said he just doesn't get it
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Hird: "at no time have I said something in public that I didn't believe was the truth". Mcnicol visibly excited and asked him to repeat it
10:27am - 12 Aug 14
James playing the ignorance/naive card.....irrespective, that statement will come back to bite.
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Only yesterday. In court. Under oath he said a contradictory statement. :sleep
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Only yesterday. In court. Under oath he said a contradictory statement. :sleep
Lmao I thought the same. Drugs are getting to his brain. :whistle
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The judge will have made the same observation, which is a good thing :fencing
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Not a great day for ASADA in court today
Ms Andruska was great on the stand
Big day tomorrow.
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Not a great day for ASADA in court today
Ms Andruska was great on the stand
Big day tomorrow.
Any big revelations?
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Not a great day for ASADA in court today
Ms Andruska was great on the stand
Big day tomorrow.
Any big revelations?
Not really
She said "I can't recall" a lot, which was disappointing from the ASADA case point of view I reckon. Also despite having taken notes re a meeting with Andy D and a couple of others she couldn't remember the meeting
Though there was one thing that stood out for me. And that was she said ASADA had suspicions about Essendon back in 2011, that she had certain samples frozen because our testing weren't advance enough re the latest peptides at that time. Sent the frozen samples to Germany and the result came back "inconclusive" and from that she said ASADA believed they might be onto something and they increased vigilance etc
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ASADA can reissue doping claims against Essendon
AAP
August 13, 2014 7:30 PM
ASADA has warned it could reissue doping allegations against Essendon players within 24 hours if its investigation is found to be illegal.
Essendon's court battle with the anti-doping body has concluded with Justice John Middleton reserving his decision on whether the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority and the AFL's probe of Essendon was unlawful.
But ASADA believes it could simply reacquire the investigation details from the AFL and renew its pursuit of the Bombers, regardless of the outcome.
"ASADA can reacquire the same information, could do it within 24 hours," ASADA barrister Tom Howe QC told the Federal Court.
"It then stands possessed by the CEO of ASADA, it's in his mind and he reissues identical show cause notices.
"There's no point in setting aside those notices."
But suspended coach James Hird's barrister, Peter Hanks QC, said ASADA could not take the investigation details from the AFL, saying that information is "the product of an unlawful act".
The Federal Court trial concluded on Wednesday with Justice Middleton to deliver his ruling in coming weeks.
ASADA's national operations manager Trevor Burgess told the trial that the AFL had its "ducks lined up" to suspend Hird about two months before the league sanctioned the club.
A note taken by Mr Burgess and read to court said "Coach, minimum six months or much longer".
Others read "player support staff, AFL will go them" and "non players still will go down, ducks all lined up".
Mr Burgess said he was told these things during a discussion with an employee of the then-Labor government in June 2013, who had been briefed by an AFL employee.
Mr Burgess also said he was told by the AFL on a separate occasion its own employees would write a report to punish Essendon if ASADA did not deliver an interim report.
"(AFL) said 'If you don't give us the report we'll have to sit down one weekend and do it ourselves'," Mr Burgess' note read.
He said he believed the AFL had enough information to complete its own report, based on its presence in interviews with Essendon players.
ASADA did provide Essendon with an interim report into its investigation in August, which the League used to ban the Bombers from the 2013 finals and suspend Hird.
Essendon has argued ASADA had no right to include the AFL in its doping probe of the Bombers, but did so to ensure it had the power to force players to face interviews.
"That is why it had to be a joint investigation," Essendon's barrister Neil Young QC said.
"Once they (AFL) are at the interview, you have crossed the line."
Mr Howe on Wednesday directed Justice Middleton to several clauses in the National Anti-Doping (NAD) scheme, which allows ASADA to acquire information from sporting bodies like the AFL.
"ASADA is empowered to conduct investigations and it's empowered to acquire and disclose information," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-13/asada-can-reissue-doping-allegations-
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What's the point in ASADA and the AFL if they can't investigate cheating? Sounds like a free pass for everyone to get on the gear. Get it done Tiges.
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What's the point in ASADA and the AFL if they can't investigate cheating? Sounds like a free pass for everyone to get on the gear. Get it done Tiges.
:pray
Imagine Rance and Maric on the horse juice
Lids, Chimp, Martin
itd be like the Harlem globe trotters
:pray
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From what im reading of this debacle it seems the cheats might get out of this one.
Have had a good days in court it seems and IMO if they get out of this followed by no player sanctions, then everyone involved with the afl should hand in their resignation including the current flog who is heading the league.
A gillard government combining with andy d was always going to stuff this up somehow.
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From what im reading of this debacle it seems the cheats might get out of this one.
How so?
Judge Middleton deems the joint investigation illegal but doesn't deem the evidence inadmissable then....
ASADA will re-issue the show cause notices and use their new powers granted on August 1 last year to second info the AFL's docs etc
They already used those powers to demand the Age journos recording of Dank, which we all know are damning :clapping
This still as a long way to go but either way those orginally issued with show casues notices will have to answer them. It's just a matter of whether its the ones already issued or any new ones
What I guarantee is if the Bombers & Hird lose they will not accept the result of the "fair hearing" they received and they will appeal :banghead
if ASADA lose, well I dont' think they're too concerned as they will just re-issue the show cause notices.
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ESSENDON wants the federal government and the AFL to make the supplements scandal 'go away' if the club is successful in its court battle with the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA).
Lawyers for ASADA re-iterated the anti-doping watchdog's intention to re-issue show-cause notices if a judge sets aside those already issued.
But Bombers chairman Paul Little wants federal sports minister Peter Dutton to step in.
"I will ask him to try and find a circuit-breaker," Little told 3AW on Thursday morning.
"I think the whole community's got deal-fatigue with this investigation, and if the sports minister's able to help us find a way through it then I think that's in everyone's best interests."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-14/little-wants-federal-government-to-end-supplements-scandal
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how WADA are reading this poo
im worried about australia.
i accept corruption in my country but it grinds my gear when its the drugs cheats. got a problem? the billionaire will fix it with the politicians. dogs the lot of them
"I will ask him to try and find a circuit-breaker," Little told 3AW on Thursday morning.
"I think the whole community's got deal-fatigue with this investigation, and if the sports minister's able to help us find a way through it then I think that's in everyone's best interests."
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No Essendon but Matt Johns up in Sydney says 17 Cronulla players will be handed infraction notices and the penalty will be six-month suspensions with only one month to be served in season. Interesting to see if Bomber players cop the same after this EFC legal smokescreen is finished.
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what a bloody joke
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No Essendon but Matt Johns up in Sydney says 17 Cronulla players will be handed infraction notices and the penalty will be six-month suspensions with only one month to be served in season. Interesting to see if Bomber players cop the same after this EFC legal smokescreen is finished.
Cronulla have 'co-operated' by not dragging the matter through the courts but that's only because they couldn't afford to. Nonetheless they have ended up with a slap on the wrist with 6 months, one in season. Essendon could've had that. The new ASADA boss could not have spelt it out any clearer- there are big discounts on offer for cooperating. It's hard to see how dragging out a ridiculous 3 day Federal Court case could be seen as being open and honest.
I as a taxpayer am pretty peed off with Essendon about tying up so many public resources to protect their little Elim final. They tie up the Federal Court for 3 days (our taxpayer $), the legal expenses incurred by ASADA incl QC's (more taxpayer $) all of the senior public servants from Canberra flying up and back from Melbourne and staying in hotels, meal allowances, overtime etc (more taxpayer $), this is a big junket for the legal fraternity on the backs of taxpayers and Essendon members. Idiotic behavior by Essendon and the AFL commission should punish them again for bringing the game into disrepute again.
They are getting 6 months minimum, possibly more now with the actions of their board.
Obviously I don't have 30 years of legal training like a fed court judge would, in fact I have none, but I would hope the judge reads out something like this:
-Government ministers have got the executive power to ask their department heads to carry out their instructions.
-AFL as the governing body can punish Essendon however and whenever it feels like it, and can gain information from whoever they please in doing so.
-ASADA can investigate any sporting club they wish, and has the legal authority to collaborate with whoever they like to in the course of an investigation.
-Can you all exit to the left please as the next case is starting in 5 minutes.
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No Essendon but Matt Johns up in Sydney says 17 Cronulla players will be handed infraction notices and the penalty will be six-month suspensions with only one month to be served in season. Interesting to see if Bomber players cop the same after this EFC legal smokescreen is finished.
Cronulla have 'co-operated' by not dragging the matter through the courts but that's only because they couldn't afford to. Nonetheless they have ended up with a slap on the wrist with 6 months, one in season. Essendon could've had that. The new ASADA boss could not have spelt it out any clearer- there are big discounts on offer for cooperating. It's hard to see how dragging out a ridiculous 3 day Federal Court case could be seen as being open and honest.
I as a taxpayer am pretty peed off with Essendon about tying up so many public resources to protect their little Elim final. They tie up the Federal Court for 3 days (our taxpayer $), the legal expenses incurred by ASADA incl QC's (more taxpayer $) all of the senior public servants from Canberra flying up and back from Melbourne and staying in hotels, meal allowances, overtime etc (more taxpayer $), this is a big junket for the legal fraternity on the backs of taxpayers and Essendon members. Idiotic behavior by Essendon and the AFL commission should punish them again for bringing the game into disrepute again.
Obviously I don't have 30 years of legal training like a fed court judge would, in fact I have none, but I would hope the judge reads out something like this:
-Government ministers have got the executive power to ask their department heads to carry out their instructions.
-AFL as the governing body can punish Essendon however and whenever it feels like it, and can gain information from whoever they please in doing so.
-ASADA can investigate any sporting club they wish, and has the legal authority to collaborate with whoever they like to in the course of an investigation.
-Can you all exit to the left please as the next case is starting in 5 minutes.
Nice post!
Are u a barrister ? ;D
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No I am not a lawyer, I have made a substantial contribution to the profession though, unfortunately it was only a financial one. :angel:
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Here's a fairly thorough legal overview of the closing submissions of both sides. A good read if you're interested.
http://sociallitigator.com/2014/08/14/the-law-weighs-in-closing-submissions-in-essendon-v-asada-trial/
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No I am not a lawyer, I have made a substantial contribution to the profession though, unfortunately it was only a financial one. :angel:
:lol :clapping
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Dogs boss Gordon
"Essendon players are innocent victims/bystanders". Asada are literalism Satan reincarnate :sleep
ABC radio
Another one of stuffen tosser list
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Paul Little saying if they don't get a favorable verdict they will go to the government, but if they do then they will sit down and talk about it (on their terms). Basically, just more tantrums unless they get their own way. Stuff me, you cheated. This is the absolute height of the arrogance and reluctance to take any responsibility and.why I absolutely hate that filthy club.
Had they just accepted it in the first place the bans would have been served by now and everyone would have moved on. No they, not the AFL or ASADA, are the ones ruining it for every fan of the game.
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No I am not a lawyer, I have made a substantial contribution to the profession though, unfortunately it was only a financial one. :angel:
Ah.A Philanthropist .Nice!
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Paul Little saying if they don't get a favorable verdict they will go to the government, but if they do then they will sit down and talk about it (on their terms). Basically, just more tantrums unless they get their own way. Stuff me, you cheated. This is the absolute height of the arrogance and reluctance to take any responsibility and.why I absolutely hate that filthy club.
Had they just accepted it in the first place the bans would have been served by now and everyone would have moved on. No they, not the AFL or ASADA, are the ones ruining it for every fan of the game.
Corruption much :whistleblower
"The thing is we drug cheated. But we really don't want our players banned, you see? It doesn't really matter if tac cup, wafl players, Or stkildas saad have or are banned. Its not related. All of australia agrees, dont you know. Hence we will continue to bleat and whinge and pay off government officials until we get our way. If you just had let us a cuta deal with the afl as we both wanted to this wouldn't even be an issue".
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Little mind too
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on one hand this little stuff says we are happy we've finally be able to tell our side of the story(did you really? thought it was about trying to quash it all on a technicality) and on the other hand he is guaranteeing us that they will appeal if they lose. What a plank
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Reading Hird's affidavit says it all. It's all about him and how he is affected if his players end up suspended :nopity.
42. I believe that, if show cause notices are issued to current or former Essendon players by ASADA, this would rise to immeasurable and irremediable damage to my reputation, my earning capacity as an AFL coach and my business interests external to Essendon and the AFL.
http://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/25462/30-July-2014-Affidavit-Hird-1.pdf
Perhaps you should have thought about this James before you allowed your players to be injected with god knows what! ::)
The affidavit also shows ASADA's letter to Hird listing some of the banned substances they've been investigating Essendon over (page 22):
* Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide 2 (GHRP-2)
* Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide 6 (GHRP-6)
* CJC 1295
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Little just interview on abc
Staggering stuff
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Reading Hird's affidavit says it all. It's all about him and how he is affected if his players end up suspended :nopity.
42. I believe that, if show cause notices are issued to current or former Essendon players by ASADA, this would rise to immeasurable and irremediable damage to my reputation, my earning capacity as an AFL coach and my business interests external to Essendon and the AFL.
http://www.fedcourt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/25462/30-July-2014-Affidavit-Hird-1.pdf
What a horrifically selfish approach to life.
Basically, "if anyone tries to enforces the law with me or anyone associated with me (irrespective if im guilty) this enforcement of the law (even if i am guilty) would be unfair because it would damage me financially and reduce my power"
I wonder how someone charged with murder would go with that line in court :lol
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Talk about delusional ::)
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Talk about delusional ::)
Tell me about it Julz.
I suppose when the evidence is that irrefutable, people who want to be seen to be maintaining innocence are left to pushing arguments which are delusional
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ASADA should take the option the judge alluded to, and wait to reissue show cause notices a week before the start of season 2015,
so the fuckn rat dogs have to serve suspensions during the season.
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ASADA should take the option the judge alluded to, and wait to reissue show cause notices a week before the start of season 2015,
so the stuffn rat dogs have to serve suspensions during the season.
Would love to see that come to fruition. ;D
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or give them all a year like their coach
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That's even better. ;D
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Not Essendon, but some Cronulla players may only receive a one-month ban.
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Some of the Cronulla players accused of taking performance-enhancing drugs in 2011 could escape with a ban of as little as four weeks during the off season.
Past and present players are expected to be called to a meeting with the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority and the NRL this week where they will be offered a range of sanctions, some receiving a ban of one month and others six months.
It is understood the meeting will be on Wednesday, with the authority’s chief executive Ben McDevitt anxious for it to be resolved before the end of the season so players given six-month bans can miss only one month of the 2015 season.
Although the World Anti-Doping Agency code allows for a maximum 75 per cent discount on the standard two-year punishment for players who co-operate with ASADA, there is provision for admonishment, or a one-month sanction, for those found to have taken unapproved prescribed, rather than prohibited, substances.
http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/cronulla-sharks-players-may-escape-with-onemonth-bans-from-asada-20140817-1056dm.html
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Geez whiz.
Tries to make a conversation with a drug cheat fan today.
The level of delusional I astounding
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Mr Little said he had spoken to the AFL about the impact the long-running investigation was having on the game.
I see this as an indirect admission of guilt, for had the EFC not been drug cheats there would be no investigation,therefore it is in fact essendon's actions that are admittedly negatively impacting "the game"
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Logically undisputable ∆
If efc had not mass injected wada banned drugs - then fighting such claims would be just and honourable
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Not Essendon, but 17 Cronulla players have received show cause notices.
Sharks ASADA case: Cronulla players past and present facing bans of up to two years for doping infringements
JOSH MASSOUD, REBECCA WILSON & JAMES HOOPER
The Daily Telegraph
August 20, 2014 1:27PM
Doping notices have been issued to past and present Sharks players at a series of meetings with their lawyers in Sydney today.
The Daily Telegraph understands ASADA boss Ben McDevitt last night signed-off on 17 show cause notices, which signal the anti-doping watchdog’s intent to charge those exposed to Cronulla’s 2011 supplement program.
Despite speculation that players could be offered bans as little as six months in length, the notices all raise the prospect of two-years on the sideline - the mandatory suspension for use of prohibited peptides, CJC-1295 and GHRP-6, which ASADA believes were part of the 2011 program.
The players have now been given 10 days to respond, and can elect to challenge the notices in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) or Federal Court.
What is a show cause order?
Also called an order to show cause, mandates that an individual or corporation make a court appearance to explain why the court should not take a proposed action.
Six month bans are also available for those who provide “substantial assistance” - damning evidence that leads to further convictions.
In a frantic morning, members of the 2011 squad held briefings with their independent legal teams at various locations throughout the CBD.
Nine - including current Sharks Nathan Gardner, Wade Graham and Anthony Tupou - are being represented by former ASADA solicitor Richard Redman.
Gardner was spotted driving his team mates past Redman’s Pitt St firm around 10:30am.
Shortly afterwards Knight pair Jeremy Smith and Kade Snowden - both of whom were exposed to Cronulla’s 2011 supplement regime - were spotted around the corner, en route to a briefing with their solicitor.
Skipper Paul Gallen also spoke out on 2KY Radio this morning, admitting he was in two minds about accepting any ban - even six months - because of the slur on his reputation.
Other players involved in the 2011 Cronulla team include Jayson Bukuya (Warriors), Albert Kelly (Titans), Luke Douglas (Titans), Ben Pomeroy (Catalans), Josh Cordoba (London Broncos), Paul Aiton (Super League), and Tim Smith (Super League).
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/sharks-asada-case-cronulla-players-past-and-present-facing-bans-of-up-to-two-years-for-doping-infringements/story-fni3gol8-1227030586958
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Essendon players could accept similar deal with ASADA to one offered to Cronulla
Grant Baker
Herald-Sun
August 21, 2014
A SWEETHEART deal offered by ASADA to Cronulla players on Wednesday remains a live option for 34 past and present Essendon players.
ASADA boss Ben McDevitt signed off on 17 drugs notices for current and former Sharks players on Tuesday night, over the alleged use of prohibited peptides CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 as part of the club’s 2011 supplements program.
But all 17 NRL players have been offered the option of a one-year ban backdated to November last year, meaning they could miss as few as three matches this season.
A similar deal could be struck in the Essendon players’ case, which is on hold until Justice John Middleton delivers his findings in the club’s Federal Court fight with the anti-doping agency.
The catch for players in each code is that they must admit guilt for discounts and backdating provisions to become available.
Essendon chairman Paul Little has repeatedly stated that no Bombers player would admit to an anti-doping offence.
The Bombers players, hit with show-cause notices in June this year over the alleged use of thymosin beta-4 in 2012, have asked ASADA repeatedly to put up any evidence it has to support its case against them.
They have not been shown any evidence.
If ASADA can convince the Bombers that they have used banned drugs, they could be eligible for discounted or backdated penalties under the code’s “timely admission” provisions.
Separately, Section 14.7 (a) of the AFL Anti-Doping Code states: “Where there have been substantial delays in the hearing process or other aspects of doping control not attributable to the player, the tribunal determining the sanction may start the period of ineligibility at an earlier date commencing as early as the date … (an) anti-doping rule violation last occurred”.
The code also states at least one half of the sanction must be served after the punishment has been accepted.
In the AFL case, that could be as little as three months.
It is understood that if ASADA, the AFL and the players all agreed to a sanction, the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal would not have to hear the matter.
But the Bombers remain steadfast that not player was given anything harmful or prohibited under the supplements program, and therefore no player would accept the stain of a doping conviction.
“To get that relief (of no fault or negligence reductions) you need to have been found to have taken a substance and our players don’t think they have,’’ Little told the Herald Sun in May.
“They are not going to use that clause, I promise you.’’
ASADA has agreed to put on hold its case against the 34 current and former Bombers players while the Federal Court decides if the anti-doping body’s joint investigation with the AFL was lawful.
Only five of the 17 Cronulla players remain at the club, and they have been asked to make a call on the backdating deal before this weekend.
The NRL anti-doping code has provisions which allow for the backdating of bans under certain circumstances.,
It reads in part: “The commencement of the period of Ineligibility could be started as early as the date the anti-doping rule violation was committed, provided that at least half of that period would have to be served after the date of the hearing decision.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-could-accept-similar-deal-with-asada-to-one-offered-to-cronulla/story-fndv8gad-1227031190793
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What the above article only mentions in passing is that the NRL players in relation to "deal" don't have the standard 10 days to respond that usually applies to show cause notices.
They've been given 48 hours to accept - they have to make a call by tomorrow ;D
They are in similar boat to EFC players they can keep saying I didn't take anything illegal but the fact remains they don't know nobody knows....
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So WP correct me if I'm wrong but the events could happen like this
Middleton delivers his verdict siding with asada in October
Asada issues no cause notices then once again
Bombers admit guilt
Penalty backdated to November and the shows over
Asada. Are they fit real
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Still reckon wada will bum smuck everyone
Don't see them being scared of jobs Watson if they got Armstrong
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ASADA tables offer to AFL for Essendon players to accept six-month bans
Roy Masters
The Age
August 22, 2014
ASADA has tabled with AFL chief executive, Gillon McLachlan, a six-month sanction for Essendon players, on the condition they accept they took performance-enhancing substances in 2011-12.
If Essendon wait until the Federal Court's Justice John Middleton brings down his decision in the club's case that a joint AFL/ASADA investigation was unlawful, the offer will be withdrawn.
ASADA is willing to accept Essendon players were doped and duped and therefore qualify for a WADA "no significant fault" discount, taking the standard two-year ban for use of prohibited substances down to 12 months.
ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt is also willing to apply the 75 per cent discount which applies to all athletes who concede guilt and whose evidence leads to a doping infraction being issued against another person. Essendon players co-operated with ASADA from the first days of the investigation, when the anti-doping body joined the AFL in order to take advantage of its coercive powers. However, the 75 per cent discount applies to the full sentence, meaning it is an 18-month concession on two years, not one year. That is, six months.
NRL players were effectively offered a three-month ban, with their year-long sanction backdated to November, 2013. Ironically, the AFL and its supporters in Canberra precipitated this. The ASADA Act allows for administrative delays in bringing a case to a conclusion to mitigate a sentence. The joint AFL/ASADA investigation, promoted by senior public servants in the government of Julia Gillard, shifted ASADA's already stretched resources away from Sydney to Melbourne, meaning the Cronulla investigation was effectively placed on hold.
The AFL, by bullying ASADA into producing evidence for an interim report to punish the club, coach James Hird and other Essendon staff, drew resources away from the NRL. The co-operation of WADA is mandatory for all discounted bans and McDevitt may have a difficult task convincing the Montreal-based world body to accept the proposed Essendon ban of six months
A level of co-operation with a national anti-doping body is necessary to sustain discounted sanctions. Essendon, by taking ASADA to the Federal Court, could be perceived to being unco-operative, while Cronulla's board ruled out legal action, irrespective of ASADA penalties. While Essendon players were not a party to the action taken by their club and Hird, they were represented by a leading Melbourne barrister, David Grace QC.
Furthermore, club president Paul Little, has persistently claimed Essendon players are not guilty of taking performance-enhancing substances and has aggravated ASADA by saying publicly it will not communicate with him. It is understood ASADA's initial reticence to meet Little was only prior to the issue of show cause notices to 34 past and present Essendon players, where he deemed it would be a conflict of interest.
All that is required under the ASADA Act, for the anti-doping body to issue an infraction notice, is to establish to its satisfaction that evidence of a doping breach took place. It is presumed in the case of Essendon it is the use of the banned thymosin drug.
ASADA has also requested McLachlan issue a life ban against sports scientist Stephen Dank, the architect of the supplements program at Essendon and Cronulla, although the anti-doping body accepts this is the only common link between the two football clubs.
The Essendon campaign extended over a full year, with multiple injections where, despite the magisterial authority of Hird, players could have been expected to ask after say the fifth needle what were the substances and why was the operation conducted off site and requiring signed waivers.
By contrast, the Cronulla drugs regime was brief and ad hoc, administered after the captain's run final training session, from a corporate box at the club's home ground, with supplements stored amateurishly in an esky. The Cronulla club doctor quickly banned all injections and the program quickly reverted to use of creams and lozenges.
It is anticipated a three-month ban of past and present Cronulla players, where only five (one who has already announced his retirement) remain at the club, will be more palatable to NRL clubs than if the same punishment was applied to Essendon, where more than 20 players remain. Rival AFL clubs will contend the damage done to the AFL brand is greater in Melbourne where the code takes on the status of a civic religion. Essendon, in line for a position in the 2014 semi finals, have major issues to confront in terms of the date a six-month ban begins.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-tables-offer-to-afl-for-essendon-players-to-accept-sixmonth-bans-20140821-106qv2.html
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:chuck
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Sharks ASADA case: Paul Gallen and majority of Cronulla players accept deal for reduced ban
Daily Telegraph
August 22, 2014
SHARKS captain Paul Gallen and the other 16 players under investigation have accepted guilty pleas for taking prohibited substances.
According to sources, by accepting the ASADA ban deal, the current NRL players will miss just three matches and the first three weeks of pre-season training for the 2015 campaign.
However, Gallen will be exempt from the upcoming Four Nations tournament because the suspension will not expire until November 21.
Players had been given until 9:30am this morning to agree, with their lawyers sweating on a formal guarantee that WADA would not overturn the bans.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/sharks-asada-case-paul-gallen-and-majority-of-cronulla-players-accept-deal-for-reduced-ban/story-fndv2ypb-1227032880273
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essendon should NOT be afforded the same luxury - deserve to cop their full whack
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essendon should NOT be afforded the same luxury - deserve to cop their full whack
:thumbsup
Little and Hird taking ASADA to court is/was hardly co-operating with the investigation ::). Both should be marched out of the AFL for continuing to bring our game into disrepute and for screwing their players a second time in some pathetic and desperate attempt to save their own skins ::). If you were an Essendon player you would sue the EFC for every penny after this.
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essendon should NOT be afforded the same luxury - deserve to cop their full whack
:thumbsup
Little and Hird taking ASADA to court is/was hardly co-operating with the investigation ::). Both should be marched out of the AFL for continuing to bring our game into disrepute and for screwing their players a second time in some pathetic and desperate attempt to save their own skins ::). If you were an Essendon player you would sue the EFC for every penny after this.
and yet if those same players just spoke up and said enough of this crap, lets get it sorted, this would all be avoided. stuff the players, they are getting too much leeway from the average Joe imo, they aren't that stupid, they knew something was nqr
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Still reckon wada will bum smuck everyone
Don't see them being scared of jobs Watson if they got Armstrong
THE Cronulla saga is as far from closure as ever with revelations late on Friday that WADA is set to exercise its right to intervene in the ASADA doping sanctions.
....Former WADA boss John Fahey said on Friday the penalties make a joke of anti-doping integrity in Australia.He has strongly urged WADA chief executive David Howman to review and over-rule the “light: sanctions handed to the players.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/sharks-asada-case-cronulla-asada-saga-far-from-finished-as-wada-gets-involved/story-fni3gol8-1227033617768?nk=33d3e00e9b517c11d1a5b96167f857ce
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ESSENDON'S players have been treated "pretty badly" in 2014 with the amount of pressure they've endured understated, says coach Mark Thompson.
"I think they’ve been dealt a hand that’s been awful, so for them to make it [finals], yeah … it’s fantastic for them," Thompson said. "I’m glad they’ve got something out of it and that was the reason why we’re all here, for them, because they’ve been treated pretty badly."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-23/bombers-have-been-treated-pretty-badly-says-bomber
And whose fault was/is that, Bomber? :facepalm
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Stephen Dank banned for life by NRL over involvement in Cronulla Sharks supplements scandal.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/stephen-dank-banned-for-life-by-nrl-over-involvement-in-cronulla-sharks-supplements-scandal/story-fndujljl-1227034152141
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Sharks ASADA case: This drama has ruined my son’s career, says the mother of Stewart Mills
THE mother of Sharks discard Stewart Mills — one of 22 members of the 2011 squad originally in ASADA’s sights — believes Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan should be “banned for life” over the supplements scandal.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/sharks-asada-case-this-drama-has-ruined-my-sons-career-says-the-mother-of-stewart-mills/story-fndujljl-1227033668683
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https://www.wada-ama.org/en/contact-us
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everyone should be haranguing the pricks until they do the right thing
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Essendon assistant coach matt Egan seeing Geelong for medical mis practice
Hmmm
Wait until EFC players start growing third nipples and having testicles spontaneous combusting.
The humani right lawyers will be overdrive
Mark Robinson erks me more every day
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Beautiful article on the Essendon fiasco....
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/aug/26/james-hird-essendon-asada-afl
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Beautiful article on the Essendon fiasco....
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/aug/26/james-hird-essendon-asada-afl
That is a ripping article, nails it!! :clapping
"To paraphrase Steve Baker from The Footy Almanac, it was the work of a club that not only has its head up its own arse but thinks that the view is spectacular."
:ROTFL
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Beautiful article on the Essendon fiasco....
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/aug/26/james-hird-essendon-asada-afl
That is a ripping article, nails it!! :clapping
"To paraphrase Steve Baker from The Footy Almanac, it was the work of a club that not only has its head up its own arse but thinks that the view is spectacular."
:ROTFL
x 3
hit, nail, head :clapping
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x4 :clapping
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x5 :thumbsup
If Essendon and the AFL think all this will go away in 2015, wait until the next Dreamtime match (our home game). Every time Hird's face is shown on the big screen, the boos and chant of "cheat" amongst other things ;D from the Tiger Army will be deafening.
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what is going on with middleton? I was really hoping for a decision before finals to boot the cheats out again. I will curse if we finish 9th and then during or after the finals the bombers lose the case and get reamed. Would be the 2 in the ultimate 1-2 KO troll after last season with carlton
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what is going on with middleton? I was really hoping for a decision before finals to boot the cheats out again. I will curse if we finish 9th and then during or after the finals the bombers lose the case and get reamed. Would be the 2 in the ultimate 1-2 KO troll after last season with carlton
Was always said Judge Middleton would take a minimum of 4 weeks but most probably longer to reach his judgement. Final submissions were made in writing. He's got to read all of them plus all the offer affidavits etc. can't we him coming back before October
Also, court case was never going to result in Bombers being thrown of the finals. Court is only about whether the ASADA investigation was legal and that they can proceed with the current show cause notices. After show cause notices it good drag on for another 3-6 months. Can't see this being over until November or December at the earliest
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what is going on with middleton? I was really hoping for a decision before finals to boot the cheats out again. I will curse if we finish 9th and then during or after the finals the bombers lose the case and get reamed. Would be the 2 in the ultimate 1-2 KO troll after last season with carlton
We should sue both Essendon and the AFL if that's the case....
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And asada
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Secret document highlights importance of Essendon interviews
Jon Pierik
The Age
September 2, 2014
The importance of interviews that Essendon players gave about the club's supplements program has been highlighted in a confidential document the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority showed AFL integrity chief Brett Clothier.
The document, included as part of an affidavit lodged by ASADA's national operations manager, Trevor Burgess, – who stood for former ASADA chief Aurora Andruska while she was on leave in July last year – indicated the level of detail the players gave about the controversial injecting program run by sports scientist Stephen Dank.
Through these interviews, the proposed contents report stated how difficult it would be for the players to argue a "no fault defence".
In what could be a salient point to the 34 current and former Essendon players issued with show-cause notices, it says: "While different players will have different prospects of being able to make out the defences, based on the players' own admissions, it will be extremely difficult for most of them to establish that they exercised utmost caution, to justify the application of the no fault defence. This defence will draw on the provisions of the code and interview transcripts."
Under the subhead "prohibited substances", the report says there is "player knowledge of the storage of WADA-prohibited substances at the club based on interview transcripts and quoting examples".
It adds: "Advice from EFC personnel to individual players about WADA-prohibited substances injected, and players seeing vials based on interview transcripts and quoting examples.
"Circumstances in which players were administered substances (whether prohibited or not) at EFC and away from the club based on interview transcripts and quoting examples.
"Evidence of possible player and others use of prohibited substances based on interview transcripts and quoting examples."
Under the subhead "potential application of the World Anti-Doping Code", one of the proposed discussion points would be "discussion of sanction reduction provisions (timely admission; substantial assistance) and defence (no fault, no negligence; no significant fault or negligence; specified substances defence) and the difficulty in general of making out the defences".
Burgess flew to Melbourne on July 16 last year to show Clothier the proposed contents report as part of discussions about what to include in ASADA's interim report, eventually released on August 2.
Essendon and coach James Hird have argued in the Federal Court that the interviews were conducted as part of an unlawful investigation and should be scrapped – therefore leading to the revoking of the 34 show-cause notices alleging the use of Thymosin beta 4. They also allege the interim report was unlawfully used for purposes other than an anti-doping investigation: that being to punish Hird and the club for governance breaches.
Lawyers for the 34 players also want the show-cause notices dismissed as part of the case Hird and the Bombers have before Justice John Middleton. The players and Hird believe they were not given the right to silence under the ASADA legislation, having been compelled to tell the truth under the AFL's contractual powers.
While ASADA says it gathered more evidence after the interim report was lodged in August last year, which would include interviews with drug dealer Shane Charter and compound pharmacist Nima Alavi, the interviews with players are seen as crucial to its case against the players and the Bombers.
However, ASADA lawyers maintain that if Middleton does void the interviews, ASADA could still reacquire the transcripts from the AFL under its powers.
In that July 16 meeting, Burgess said Clothier told him the AFL already had its own transcripts of interviews, and "said words to the effect that ASADA's summary report would be one part of what the AFL Commission would consider (in penalising Essendon) and the AFL would not be making a decision on the summary report alone".
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/secret-document-highlights-importance-of-essendon-interviews-20140901-10ay7b.html#ixzz3C5IaP1LK
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Dean Robinson's lawyer granted access to documents from 'rogue operators' meeting
Mark Russell
Court Reporter for The Age
September 2, 2014
Lawyers for Essendon Football Club's former high-performance coach Dean Robinson have been granted access to documents involving a meeting where the issue of blaming "rogue operators" for the supplements scandal was allegedly discussed.
Mr Robinson, nicknamed "The Weapon", is suing the Bombers for up to $2 million, claiming he was made the scapegoat for the scandal after being stood down by the club in February 2013.
Barrister Gideon Boas told Supreme Court Justice Jack Forrest on Monday that Mr Robinson's legal team had subpoenaed Essential Media Communications and its director Liz Lukin, who worked as a media relations consultant for Essendon before she resigned in July 2013.
Mr Boas was seeking any documents, notes or text messages related to a meeting some time in March 2013 when Ms Lukin allegedly told high-ranking Essendon officials, including the then club chairman David Evans and chief executive Ian Robson, of a proposed strategy to blame "rogue operators" for the supplements scandal.
He said a former Essendon employee, strength scientist Suki Hobson, had been at the meeting and was upset by what had been discussed.
Ms Hobson claimed that when it was suggested the club should be more concerned over what actually happened, Ms Lukin replied: "No, it won't help us moving forward".
Mr Boas said Mr Robinson was identified as someone who could take the fall. Lawyer Simona Gory, for Essential Media Communications, told the court the subpoenas were a fishing exercise and the company should not have to produce any documents.
But Justice Forrest ruled the documents were relevant to Mr Robinson's claim that he had been unfairly stood down without explanation.
The judge said Essendon's management of the supplements saga was integral to Mr Robinson's case and ordered the documents be produced by September 11. A likely trial date for the case is November 15.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dean-robinsons-lawyer-granted-access-to-documents-from-rogue-operators-meeting-20140901-10ay1b.html
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Dean Robinson's lawyer granted access to documents from 'rogue operators' meeting
Mark Russell
Court Reporter for The Age
September 2, 2014
Lawyers for Essendon Football Club's former high-performance coach Dean Robinson have been granted access to documents involving a meeting where the issue of blaming "rogue operators" for the supplements scandal was allegedly discussed.
Mr Robinson, nicknamed "The Weapon", is suing the Bombers for up to $2 million, claiming he was made the scapegoat for the scandal after being stood down by the club in February 2013.
Barrister Gideon Boas told Supreme Court Justice Jack Forrest on Monday that Mr Robinson's legal team had subpoenaed Essential Media Communications and its director Liz Lukin, who worked as a media relations consultant for Essendon before she resigned in July 2013.
Mr Boas was seeking any documents, notes or text messages related to a meeting some time in March 2013 when Ms Lukin allegedly told high-ranking Essendon officials, including the then club chairman David Evans and chief executive Ian Robson, of a proposed strategy to blame "rogue operators" for the supplements scandal.
He said a former Essendon employee, strength scientist Suki Hobson, had been at the meeting and was upset by what had been discussed.
Ms Hobson claimed that when it was suggested the club should be more concerned over what actually happened, Ms Lukin replied: "No, it won't help us moving forward".
Mr Boas said Mr Robinson was identified as someone who could take the fall. Lawyer Simona Gory, for Essential Media Communications, told the court the subpoenas were a fishing exercise and the company should not have to produce any documents.
But Justice Forrest ruled the documents were relevant to Mr Robinson's claim that he had been unfairly stood down without explanation.
The judge said Essendon's management of the supplements saga was integral to Mr Robinson's case and ordered the documents be produced by September 11. A likely trial date for the case is November 15.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dean-robinsons-lawyer-granted-access-to-documents-from-rogue-operators-meeting-20140901-10ay1b.html
Should have asked for $10 million. He would have walked away with $5 million in a settlement... :whistle
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendons-paddy-ryder-on-verge-of-walkout-20140903-10c40d.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendons-paddy-ryder-on-verge-of-walkout-20140903-10c40d.html)
the exodus begins
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Clause in CBA agreement between AFL players and AFL gives scope for Essendon players to walk
Michael Warner
Herald-Sun
September 04, 2014
A LITTLE-KNOWN clause in the AFL’s collective bargaining agreement could give Essendon players the option of walking out of the club as delisted free agents.
The AFL Players’ Association confirmed on Wednesday night that a rule had been agreed in June that gives players the right to terminate their contracts and sign with a rival club of choice.
A player must prove the breach of contract.
For an Essendon player to successfully invoke the clause, he would have to prove Essendon’s conduct in relation to its 2012 supplements program represented a breach.
The Bombers do not believe they have breached contracts.
The CBA clause reads: “Each AFL club must immediately delist a player who has terminated his standard playing contract for cause.”
It comes as speculation grows over the future of Essendon ruckman Paddy Ryder.
Ryder has been one of the most emotionally affected players throughout the Essendon drugs saga. His manager Paul Connors declined to comment on Wednesday night.
An Essendon spokesman said: “Paddy is contracted until the end of 2016. He’s an Essendon person and an important member of our team.”
AFLPA executive Ian Prendergast said the new clause was “available to all players, not just one player or one club”.
“(The CBA clause) has been introduced based on the fundamental principle that any player who has the right to terminate for cause should be unfettered in his ability to continue his career at another club,” Prendergast said.
The Herald Sun has been told some agents are exploring the option of Essendon players moving clubs unhindered.
The prospect of claiming a contract breach could also be used in negotiations for managers seeking a trade for a player.
Essendon would not be compensated for the loss of a player who enforced the option.
The Bombers could try to block a player’s departure at the AFL Grievance Tribunal.
Previously, players would have been forced to seek the approval of the AFL Commission to establish that a breach of contract had occurred.
The AFLPA has stated it believed Essendon was in breach of its duty of care to its players during the 2012 season.
ASADA issued show cause notices to 34 current and former Essendon players in June.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/clause-in-cba-agreement-between-afl-players-and-afl-gives-scope-for-essendon-players-to-walk/story-fndv8gad-1227046859387
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Yeeeeeeeah!!!!!!
This will be the end of Essendon :dancing :dancing :dancing
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Ryder pls
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This was always going to be the ultimate cause of implosion.
Gawn
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I wanted them booted for the finals for a second consecutive year - but what would be even better is to watch players walk, then have the rest of their player cop full whack bans from asada. Club deserves to cop a bath for the way they've vonducted themselves before, during and after the investigation - disgrace
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Dale Lewis has dropped some massive mail on Classic Triple M Adelaide’s Rush Hour with Jars & Louie on Thursday afternoon.
Louie says according to his mail that Paddy Ryder and Jake Carlisle could plead guilty, cop their whacks (which has been rumoured as three weeks) and walk.
“A clause in all the Bombers contracts is if you breach your duty of care you can take the club up on it, it’s OH&S and you can walk out," Dale Lewis said on Triple M
“He would become a delisted free agent and go where-ever he likes, it’s a massive, massive story.”
“I got a phone call about half an hour ago relating to this matter.
“Here’s the mail that I’ve got, that Ryder’s going to plead guilty and then activate this clause and walk and got to Brisbane, his team of choice."
Louie also says that Jake Carlisle may do the same.
“Hawthorn have made a massive offer for him (Jake Carlisle) to go along and do the same as Paddy Ryder. "
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Essendon Football Club has no intention of trading Paddy Ryder.
Paddy is contracted until the end of the 2016 season and is a valued and much loved member of our playing group.
Current media speculation about his future is premature and ill-informed.
The Club and Paddy had already agreed to sit down and discuss any concerns he has post season.
It is extremely disappointing that Paddy’s manager Paul Connors has chosen to play these matters out in the press on the eve of the Club’s finals campaign.
These actions have put unnecessary pressure on Paddy and his family.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2014-09-04/ryder-statement
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Bents I don't know how many times you've been told :banghead :banghead
You post articles from other sites you must include the link
Your last 2 again fail to do this
I've posted one but I not going searching for the triple m one
Post the link or it will be removed
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manager of carlisle just jumped on AW and rubbished Lewis's claims
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http://www.triplem.com.au/adelaide/sport/afl/news/2014/9/essendons-paddy-ryder-and-jake-carlisle-rumoured-to-be-looking-to-please-guilty-an-move-on/
That is the Lewis one.
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manager of carlisle just jumped on AW and rubbished Lewis's claims
Would love to get him if it's true - rated him highly since the U'18 champs - to the point I'd offer Vickery and Griffiths. Kid's a bonafide gun and anyone who says otherwise doesn't watch football.
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in all serious
pump griffiths and tyrone full of the same drugs
they will be monsters
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in all serious
pump griffiths and tyrone full of the same drugs
they will be monsters
Gun player regardless of whatever drugs he was given, same with Heppell - like I said, rated him since the champs and he wasn't full of drugs back then.
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yes no doubt - i am not going to argue otherwise
however tyrone and griff are also handy
put them on a level playing field and itd be interesting
up close, griff is a monster and i assume vickers is also a big unit. give them two years of riods and itd be good to watch
(http://www.essendonfc.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Invisible%20Archive/Images/Static%20Files/essendon_images/10/2010-round20-25.jpg)
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'You gotta fight Gerard, you can't sit back and let this happen'. I know the people at Essendon are furious with Conners and Brisbane'.
"you know, its just, its just so unprofessional to do this to a club going into a big final'.
"You gotta fight and Brisbane are going to find out that they went into a gun fight with a knife. I tell you Gerard, thats just the way its gonna be"!
Who would you rather be Gerrard? Brisbane or Essendon? And you have to answer"
Gerrard - "Brisbane"
"Don't choose sides. Don't choose sides"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/robbo-cries-for-his-beloved-albert.1071026/page-43
robbo 360
the crap coming out of his mouth has reached capacity
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Barrett tonight said it's Paddy's wife that is the main reason behind the move. She apparently got pregnant around the time the supplement program was in full swing at Essendon and she has been concerned about the potential health risks since attending an AFL meeting about it last year.
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well bomber said the drugs cure cancer
so she should stop whinging
i looking forward to robbo writing bollocks about the lady in question
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Essendon will take Paddy to the Federal Court to stop him leaving, or at least to delay it for a little while.
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Barrett also said Paddy is considered top of the list of the 34 Bomber players with show cause notices to possibly break ranks.
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well bomber said the drugs cure cancer
so she should stop whinging
i looking forward to robbo writing bollocks about the lady in question
Wow.
A billion dollar industry evolves arouond discovering such a cure and Dank and the boys discovered it at Windy Hill.
NOW THAT IS AMAZING !!
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is that quote of bomber's in print online anywhere?
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"I think it's OK. The players have been communicated to by specialists and the drugs, the supplements that we have given the players, they know that they're not harmful," Thompson told reporters.
"There's no risk. One actually helps in part of the treatment for cancer.
"So we haven't got a problem there at all (thank goodness) as far as our communication and our players' awareness of what's healthy and what's not."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-04/no-cancer-risk-thompson
And yet we do not know what it is
But it's good for cancer
But it's not WADA banned
Proper Orwellian http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak#Conflict_theories
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ffs
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Essendon will take Paddy to the Federal Court to stop him leaving, or at least to delay it for a little while.
I hope they do if only to make the rest of their players finally realise how the club really regards them.
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The proverbial will hit the fan if and when Justice Middleton upholds ASADA's investigation as perfectly legal. Only Essendon would be stupid enough to take one of their players to court for wanting to leave. Their own critical Ziggy report and them self-reporting is all Paddy needs to argue their was a breach of a duty of care by Essendon towards him.
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The proverbial will hit the fan if and when Justice Middleton upholds ASADA's investigation as perfectly legal. Only Essendon would be stupid enough to take one of their players to court for wanting to leave. Their own critical Ziggy report and them self-reporting is all Paddy needs to argue their was a breach of a duty of care by Essendon towards him.
I can imagine EFC 20k a day lawyer crapping on about how paddys wife is hurting the natural justice and human rights of James Hird. The rude lady.
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Perfect timing now for Middleton to reject Essendon's farcical court challenge :yep.
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Perfect timing now for Middleton to reject Essendon's farcical court challenge :yep.
Yep, once this happens the blowtorch will be back on Hird and his program, Caro will delay her holidays, Bomber Thompson will be lurking in the wings, there will be special October editions of AFL360 and Footy Classified and the whole sordid saga will play out again and dominate the papers for another couple of months. :clapping
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Barrett on the Footy Show tonight:
"There was AFL Coaches Association meeting with James Hird and only 3 coaches (Buckley, McKenna & McCartney) turned up."
"Take this as fact: the other coaches are still angry at how he has conducted himself and how Essendon have acted so poorly in regards to this investigation."
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I wonder if Little and Hird are still smiling now their whole playing list is being targeted by other clubs' recruiters :nope.
What goes around comes around :yep.
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I thought life, without two year bans was incomprehensible
And yet the Essendon best dozen or more being spread out the league, is almost just as funny.
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Barrett on the Footy Show tonight:
"There was AFL Coaches Association meeting with James Hird and only 3 coaches (Buckley, McKenna & McCartney) turned up."
"Take this as fact: the other coaches are still angry at how he has conducted himself and how Essendon have acted so poorly in regards to this investigation."
Come on guys - show a bit of solidarity!!!!! ;D :lol
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Barrett on the Footy Show tonight:
"There was AFL Coaches Association meeting with James Hird and only 3 coaches (Buckley, McKenna & McCartney) turned up."
"Take this as fact: the other coaches are still angry at how he has conducted himself and how Essendon have acted so poorly in regards to this investigation."
Come on guys - show a bit of solidarity!!!!! ;D :lol
Reckon the majority did by NOT showing up ;D
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Poor form by the coaches
I hope they at leased tweeted standbyhird#
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i really would have hoped they welcomed him back with open arms.
His been a great servant of our code
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I reckon this is pee poor from the coaches. You don't kick a bloke while he's down and you don't appoint yourself judge, jury and executioner.
And it's a bit rich when you consider the AFL found 11 clubs had poor standards when it came to this area.
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Can we get a definition of poor standards
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-survey-reveals-12-clubs-used-supplements-without-adequate-supervision/story-fni5f22o-1226740824947
My read on it is anything could have gone down.
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....rubbish
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How so?
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A number of reasons
TB4 on site.
Dank admitted on record to using TB4 on players.
Players admit to taking a form of Thyomisin.
The club paid for TB4.
Your club doctor admitted that there were some very disturbing practices going on at the club.
The Ziggy report said the same.
Your club rather than trying to defend any charge, is trying to suppress evidence.
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"It's a little bit unethical," Goddard told Seven's AFL Game Day on Sunday."We are vulnerable because of the current circumstances. But these clubs poaching our players and asking them to leave.
"Paddy, Hurls and Jake's names have been mentioned but these guys love the footy club.
"They started there and I think they intend staying.
"These clubs are coming out, there's almost like the unwritten rules, unethical that they are coming out dangling these baits in front of the guys when they're in a very vulnerable state.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-unethical-20140914-10gpk1.html#ixzz3DG1C3XFx
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what a crack up.
Goddard calling it unethical
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From today's Age:
Privately, there has been anger from rival clubs towards Essendon throughout the supplements saga over how the Bombers have chosen to handle the crisis, and there continues to be as the industry awaits a Federal Court decision to resolve the validity of the joint AFL-ASADA investigation into the 2012 supplements program.
Where it relates to Essendon potentially losing key players for nothing because of the "get-out" clause in contracts, it's understood many rival clubs hold no sympathy for the Bombers, believing the situation was of their own making.
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Prominent player agent Peter Jess says clubs should do anything in their power to tempt the best players to join them.
Jess, a player manager for more than 30 years, says list managers from rival clubs were compelled to explore a "once-in-a-generation opportunity" to strengthen their lists with ready-made players from Essendon without giving up their own players or draft picks.
Jess, who does not represent any Essendon players, says agents who do have Bomber clients were obliged to seek their player's market value having been presented with an unprecedented environment in which to do so.
Jess said officials from rival clubs and player managers were duty-bound to investigate the possibilities that were available. Several other managers contacted by Fairfax Media agreed with Jess.
"If you are looking at the recruitment landscape, you have a once-in-a-generation chance," Jess said on Sunday.
"As a list manager, you have the opportunity to transfer a player, outside the draft, outside the trade period, because of an alleged fundamental breach in a contract.
"All it would take, if it was found there was a breach - and there is some evidence to suggest there could be - is the right money and the right length of term.
"Then you've got player agents who, if they want to know the true market value of their player given this set of circumstances, it is an ideal chance without committing them to the uncertainties of the draft or trade period."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendons-brendon-goddard-calls-rival-afl-clubs-unethical-20140914-10gpk1.html
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All news services reporting that the federal court ruling on Essendon/Hird action against ASADA will be handed down on Friday (19th) at 1.30pm
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The judgement will be delivered at 1.30pm AEST at the Federal Court in Melbourne and live television coverage will be provided.
If Justice Middleton rules in favour of ASADA, its chief executive Ben McDevitt will be free to pursue show-cause notices against 34 past and present Bombers players. The fallout may also spell the end for Hird as an AFL senior coach.
If Justice Middleton rules in favour of the club and its coach, ASADA will potentially need to decide whether to conduct a fresh investigation. Hird may also sue ASADA and possibly the AFL.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-19/donsasada-verdict-looms
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Article fails to mention if qthe Bombers lose, they will appeal
Can't have the Bombers accepting any decision that doesn't favour them ;D
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Apparently Dank is in the court room
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Apparently Dank is in the court room
A bit late now
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Could be awhile
Summation time
One whack towards Bumbling Bombers already for trying to discredit Andruska Aurora (sp?)
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Not sounding good for the bummers
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:sleep
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nature and conduct of investigation was lawful
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Going in no lube now
:clapping
Whack whack whacky whack
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Whackety whack whack :clapping
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its into the second quarter and its 10 goals to nothing, bummers getting flogged
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:wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink
The ego has crash-landed
:sleep
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Yeeessssss. :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Oh yeeeeeeeeeah!
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hahahahahaha
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Now for the deadline of the player responses
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From
Twitter
@3AWisfootball: #BREAKING | Justice John Middleton has ruled the nature and conduct of the joint ASADA investigation was lawful.
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And it gets better
Dons have to pay ASADA's costs
@HarfTimeSEN: Wow. That was brutal for the Bombers! Investigation deemed lawful. Applications dismissed. AND have to pay ASADAs costs! #neveradullday
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Always have faith in the Australian Justice System. A professional court run by professional people who know what they are doing. When do the infraction notices get sent out by ASADA?
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Always have faith in the Australian Justice System. A professional court run by professional people who know what they are doing. When do the infraction notices get sent out by ASADA?
From form ASADA Richard Ings - twitter
@ringsau: So the show cause notices stand. The next step would be for ASADA to re-impose its deadline for player responses to those show cause notices
And then
@ringsau: So show cause notices stand: Next?
Players get chance to respond
ADRVP determine any RoF
AAT appeals
AFL issues infractions
AFL tribunal
CAS
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essendone :clapping :clapping :clapping
should be standard time to respond ramps - 2 weeks I reckon unless the wankers appeal ::)
2 years no less asada, you know it makes sense
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Always have faith in the Australian Justice System. A professional court run by professional people who know what they are doing. When do the infraction notices get sent out by ASADA?
From form ASADA Richard Ings - twitter
AAT appeals
Federal Court is a higher court than AAT isn't it?
Would have thought a full bench of Federal Court appeal
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"Bombers players, please form an orderly queue behind Paddy Ryder. The last to leave please turn off the lights."
Comments section: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/federal-court-decides-asadaafl-investigation-into-essendon-was-lawful-dismisses-applications-by-bombers-and-james-hird/story-fndv8gad-1227063198079
:lol
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Always have faith in the Australian Justice System. A professional court run by professional people who know what they are doing. When do the infraction notices get sent out by ASADA?
From form ASADA Richard Ings - twitter
AAT appeals
Federal Court is a higher court than AAT isn't it?
Would have thought a full bench of Federal Court appeal
the Richard Ings tweet refers to the ASADA/WADA process now that the Federal Court has thrown out the Bombers and Hird's applications
On the Federal court case, if the Bombers appeal that then yep off to the Full Bench of the Federal Court = 3 judges decide
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On the Federal court case, if the Bombers appeal that then yep off to the Full Bench of the Federal Court = 3 judges decide
Expensive :dogdance
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Little can buy every one of them $$
Billion is lots of dollars
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The bigfooty thread on this is HILARIOUS :lol
Anyone able to get back onto Bomberblitz since it crashed?
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Little can buy every one of them $$
Billion is lots of dollars
Can't buy respect
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Little can buy every one of them $$
Billion is lots of dollars
Can't buy respect
won't pay everyone
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Federal Court decision a major blow for Bombers, James Hird
Jon Pierik
The Age
September 19, 2014 - 4:47PM
Befitting the high stakes on the field at this stage of an AFL season, it was much the same for Essendon and James Hird when they returned to their battleground of a different kind on Friday.
This field, of course, was court room one of the Federal Court, where they would learn from Justice John Middleton whether they had argued successfully enough in last month's three-day trial to have the joint probe conducted by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Agency and the AFL into the Bombers' 2012 supplements program deemed unlawful.
For Hird and the Bombers, the stakes in this case were higher than what the club faced heading into its elimination final against North Melbourne a fortnight ago.
The Bombers were stunned, even distraught, after that defeat. As of Friday, they were dealt another major blow and the ramifications could be even worse, with Hird's future as coach now seriously under threat.
The show-cause notices issued to 34 current and former Essendon players will stand, after Middleton ruled last year's probe had been lawful and found no reason to even find middle ground.
"In my view, ASADA complied with the rule of law in establishing and conducting, in the manner and for the purposes it did, the investigation," Middleton said.
Hird and the Bombers had argued that ASADA, as an independent body, had worked outside of its legislation in conducting a joint investigation with the AFL. They also argued that the investigation had been conducted for a purpose other than an anti-doping probe, that being to punish the parties for governance breaches.
Had the investigation been overturned, the players, of which 20 are still with the Bombers, would, at least, have won a temporary reprieve. ASADA could have been forced to re-issue the show-cause notices or even forced to abandon the entire process.
However, Middleton said the use of the interim report had not impacted on the anti-doping investigation.
"In these proceedings, I would not have declined to set aside the notices or grant injunctive orders on the basis of public policy, delay, acquiescence or the conduct of either Essendon or Mr Hird.
"The only grounds in which I would have precluded relief ar the grounds of inevitable outcome and utility.
"The AFL could itself have separately and lawfully (pursuant to the contractual regime) compelled the 34 players and Mr Hird to provide the very information in fact provided by them in the course of the investigation.
"ASADA could then have requested the provision of information from the AFL, or the AFL could have volunteered the information.
"No proceedings were brought to challenge the provision of the interim report to the AFL until the commencement of these proceedings.
"In addition, ASADA provided the interim report to the AFL, which has subsequently been acted upon by the AFL in bringing disciplinary charges against Essendon and Mr Hird."
ASADA is expected to soon give the players 10 days to respond to allegations they were given the banned peptide Thymosin beta 4 and show why they should not be placed on the Register of Findings. This is a major step towards the AFL issuing infraction notices.
The decision is a potentially crippling blow for Hird, for should infraction notices eventually be issued, he may not have any choice but to step down.
It's also another financial worry for the club and Hird, for Middleton ruled the two parties must pay legal costs.
The Bombers and Hird could now launch an appeal to the full Federal Court of three judges within 21 days.
For the AFL, it means the league may have to prepare for a "doomsday scenario" next season, that being the Bombers not having enough players to field a team because of possible anti-doping suspensions.
For those weary after almost two years of this saga, it is sobering to realise that this could only be half-time.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/federal-court-decision-a-major-blow-for-bombers-james-hird-20140919-10j89u.html#ixzz3Dk5OEULX
ASADA released a statement shortly after the judgment, saying the authority's new CEO, Ben McDevitt, felt validated and that the agency was "steadfastly ... committed" to unearthing the truth of what occurred at Essendon.
"Today's judgment vindicates Mr McDevitt's strong belief that the Act always contemplated ASADA working with sports to uphold clean competition.
"The only way to stay ahead of sophisticated doping regimes is to partner with sports; not exclude them from the process," the statement said.
"Three months ago ASADA CEO Ben McDevitt put formal allegations of possible anti-doping rule violations to 34 current and former Essendon players. These players still have a case to answer under the World Anti-Doping Code and Australia's National Anti-Doping scheme.
"Our aim has always been to expose what happened at Essendon in 2012 and we steadfastly remain committed to this."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-trumps-essendon-in-federal-court-battle-20140919-10jbok.html#ixzz3Dk6IqqCk
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Justice John Middleton’s full ruling against Essendon and James Hird in the Federal Court
Herald-Sun
September 19, 2014
JUSTICE John Middleton has thrown out Essendon and James Hird’s court bid to stop the ASADA-AFL investigation into the club. Read his full judgment below.
IN THE FEDERAL COURT OF AUSTRALIA
Essendon Football Club v Chief Executive Officer of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping
BREAKING: BOMBERS PLAYERS IN THE GUN AFTER COURT DISASTER
JUDGE: MIDDLETON J
DATE: 19 SEPTEMBER 2014
PLACE: MELBOURNE
EXTRACTS FROM THE REASONS OF THE HONOURABLE JUSTICE JOHN MIDDLETON
CLICK HERE TO READ THE FULL 129-PAGE VERDICT (http://media.foxsports.com.au/podcasts/SuperFooty/Essendon%20Fed%20Court%20verdict.pdf)
1 In early February 2013, the Chief Executive Officer (‘CEO’) of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (‘ASADA’) and the Australian Football League (‘the AFL’) agreed to conduct what was referred to by them as a “joint investigation” into the Essendon Football Club (‘Essendon’) players and personnel involved in a supplements program implemented by Essendon in 2011 and 2012. The investigation may be referred to as a “joint investigation”, but whatever label is given to the investigation is of little relevance. The important inquiry is to consider the nature, purpose and conduct of the investigation itself.
2 In these proceedings (which were heard together), Essendon and Mr James Hird essentially allege that the CEO and ASADA had no power to conduct the joint investigation in the way it was conducted (involving the use by ASADA of AFL “compulsory powers” and unauthorised disclosure of information), that the joint investigation was undertaken for improper purposes, and that ASADA breached its confidentiality obligations during the course of the investigation and in the provision to the AFL of an interim report.
3 ASADA has very important national and international functions to perform. The fight against doping requires constant vigilance, upgrading of investigatory techniques, and well-resourced and co-ordinated authorised bodies to educate, monitor, investigate and prosecute in appropriate situations. The adoption of innovative processes and methods of investigation is to be strongly supported. ASADA and a “sporting administration” or “sporting administration body” (such as the AFL) may need to act jointly and co-operate with each other for the purposes of implementing their own responsibilities. However, all statutory authorities (including ASADA) must comply with the rule of law and proceed only in a manner (expressly or impliedly) authorised by law. The essential question in these proceedings is whether ASADA has so complied with the rule of law in conducting, in the manner and for the purposes it did, the investigation.
4 The AFL is also not a party to these proceedings. No relief is sought against the AFL. No Commissioner of the AFL, nor any agent or employee of the AFL has given evidence. No contention has been made that the contractual “compulsory powers” relied upon by the AFL were unenforceable at common law or because of any legislative provision. For instance, it has not been suggested or pleaded by any party that the “compulsory powers” in the contractual arrangements between the AFL, Mr Hird and the 34 Players are unenforceable on the basis they are contrary to public policy or that they are unconscionable. In fact, the parties, ASADA, the AFL and the 34 Players all regarded the “compulsory powers” of the AFL as being valid and enforceable, and each acted accordingly.
5 The 34 Players are not parties to these proceedings. No party sought to join any of the 34 Players.
6 The 34 Players have a significant interest in these proceedings and the relief sought, particularly in setting aside the Notices which directly impact upon them.
7 I should briefly refer to the witnesses. Mr Hird relied upon his own affidavits and was cross-examined. Essendon relied upon an affidavit filed by Mr Xavier Campbell (the current CEO of Essendon), who was cross-examined. The CEO relied upon the affidavits of Ms Aurora Andruska (the former CEO of ASADA), and Messrs Trevor Burgess (National Manager — Operations at ASADA) and Aaron Walker (an investigator at ASADA), who were cross-examined and an affidavit of Christopher McDermott (a lawyer on behalf of ASADA), who was not cross-examined.
8 The only witness whose credit was impugned was Ms Andruska. It was submitted by Essendon and Mr Hird that Ms Andruska was non-responsive, evasive and partisan. It was observed, as was the fact, that there were long pauses between the questioning of Ms Andruska and her responses.
9 I do not consider these criticisms, to the extent they impact on her veracity, can be sustained. Ms Andruska was a truthful witness. Ms Andruska was careful in all her responses, and in my view wanted to consider properly each question, seeking to provide a truthful answer. Ms Andruska provided convincing and credible explanations for the steps she or her investigators took in undertaking the co-operative arrangement between ASADA and the AFL for the purposes she outlined in her affidavit evidence. Ms Andruska was a very experienced public servant, and explained during the course of detailed cross-examination the approach undertaken by herself and investigators of ASADA and the AFL. The cross-examination traversed many areas of detail relating to various meetings and decisions made in the course of the investigation. I would have expected Ms Andruska to be careful in responding to the interrogation made of her on these matters, as indeed she was.
10 In some instances, Ms Andruska did take the opportunity to explain her position as to the propriety and purpose of ASADA’s conduct in the investigation, and her characterisation of the events which occurred. Having regard to the issues in these proceedings, and the challenge to the lawfulness of her own actions as CEO of ASADA, this was to be expected. In many instances, her evidence gave context to her file notes that were in evidence before the Court. Where necessary Ms Andruska took time to refer to her notes, which again was only to be expected. It was apparent from her evidence that she relied upon her staff, including legally qualified staff, and her investigators, in effectively guiding and conducting the investigation. As CEO, Ms Andruska was entitled to delegate certain administrative tasks to her staff, within the limits provided for by the Act, and the NAD Scheme. Obviously, during the course of the investigation, many decisions were properly left to the investigators within ASADA.
11 It is important to recall that these proceedings do not involve a broad and general inquiry (outside the pleaded case) as to the general conduct of the investigation, nor the day to day activities of Ms Andruska or her investigators during the course of the investigation. I have come to the view that Ms Andruska was under some pressure from the then Federal Government and the AFL to bring the investigation to an end as soon as possible, and to assist the AFL so that the AFL could take disciplinary proceedings against Mr Hird and Essendon prior to the 2013 AFL finals season. However, I do not regard such pressure as giving rise to any dereliction by Ms Andruska in respect of her responsibilities, under the Act or the NAD Scheme.
12 For the purposes of these proceedings, I do not need to consider or comment on the propriety of the intervention made by the then Federal Government during the course of the investigation. Section 24 of the Act provides that the relevant minister may, by legislative instrument, give directions to the CEO in relation to the performance of his or her functions and the exercise of his or her powers. However, such a direction must not relate to a particular athlete, or a particular support person, who is subject to the NAD scheme, or relate to the testing of a particular athlete under an anti-doping testing service, or safety checking service, being provided by the CEO under contract on behalf of the Commonwealth.
13 ASADA is to be independent from the influence of government, save for the power of the relevant Minister to give directions, by legislative instrument, as contemplated by s 24 of the Act. The Act does not empower the Minister to override the exercise of the CEO’s statutory powers in relation to a specific athlete, and requires any direction to be made by legislative instrument. Ministerial direction outside the specific permission given by the Act would normally be treated as impliedly forbidden.
14 The determination of these proceedings primarily depends upon the correct characterisation of the events which occurred, and the purpose and nature of the investigation by ASADA with the co-operation of the AFL.
15 Based upon the evidence as presented to the Court and from the admissions made by the parties, I conclude as follows:
(a) By 1 February 2013, both ASADA and the AFL had agreed (in general terms) to investigate Essendon.
(b) By 1 February 2013, ASADA agreed (in general terms) with the AFL, that as ASADA lacked compulsory powers, ASADA would gain the benefit of the AFL’s compulsory powers in conducting its investigation.
(c) ASADA would have commenced an investigation into Essendon, its players and personnel without the invitation of Essendon or Mr Hird, and without their public display of support and co-operation.
(d) In light of ASADA’s statutory responsibilities, upon becoming aware of possible anti-doping violations, ASADA would have investigated Essendon, its players and personnel (and probably other clubs) with or without the co-operation of the AFL.
(e) ASADA would have decided to investigate Essendon, its players and personnel (and probably other clubs) without recourse to the AFL’s contractual powers to compel Mr Hird and the 34 Players to answer questions and provide information as requested by the AFL.
(f) Although Mr Hird publicly supported for the “joint investigation”, privately he did not, but was motivated to co-operate with ASADA and the AFL in the best interests of Essendon and its players.
(g) Nevertheless, Essendon, Mr Hird and the 34 Players all co-operated because of their contractual obligations to do so, which required them to attend interviews, answer questions and provide information to the AFL, and to co-operate with ASADA.
(h) Mr Hird and the 34 Players, under their contractual obligations were required to answer questions of, and provide information to, the AFL subject to a limited right to claim the privilege against self-incrimination.
(i) Mr Hird and the 34 Players were legally represented at all relevant times, co-operated with the investigation, did not claim to exercise the privilege against self-incrimination, and provided information:
(i) in respect of the interviews directly to the AFL and ASADA; and
(ii) in respect of other information provided at the request of the AFL, directly to the AFL which was then passed on to ASADA.
(j) The information provided at the interviews by Mr Hird and the 34 Players was simultaneously divulged and communicated to the personnel of both the AFL and ASADA, who were present in the interview room.
(k) The investigation involved the AFL working co-operatively with ASADA, as the AFL was obliged to do under the NAD Scheme.
(l) The investigation involved the co-operation of ASADA and the AFL in terms of strategy, the sharing of financial and personnel resources, and in the conduct of interviews. Their co-operation was evident in the day to day conduct of the investigation as it progressed.
(m) The investigation required co-ordination between ASADA and the AFL as to the conduct of the investigation, including the arrangement of interviews, the collection of physical evidence, and the preparation of documents. These were matters of procedure and machinery, upon which various investigators (either within ASADA or the AFL) took responsibility in the course of the investigation. The fact that either ASADA or the AFL personnel took responsibility for one or other of these matters does not impact upon the conclusion that the investigation was undertaken by ASADA with the co-operation of the AFL.
(n) ASADA benefited from the co-operation of the AFL in two main ways:
(i) First, it benefited from the AFL’s use of its compulsory powers (whether formally or not) to require production of physical evidence, documents, computers and phones, which were provided to ASADA.
(ii) Secondly, it benefited from the AFL’s use of its compulsory powers to arrange for Mr Hird and the 34 Players to attend interviews and answer questions truthfully.
(o) ASADA and the AFL had different but related, purposes:
(i) ASADA’s purpose was to investigate allegations of anti-doping violations;
(ii) The AFL, concerned with anti-doping violations, was interested in the governance of its clubs, such as Essendon, so as to ensure the AFL anti-doping policy was being properly implemented at the club level.
(p) The investigation undertaken by ASADA in co-operation with the AFL in fact resulted in both ASADA and the AFL each making two separate and distinct decisions within their own areas of responsibility;
(i) in the case of the CEO of ASADA, to issue the Notices; and
(ii) in the case of the AFL, to bring disciplinary charges against Essendon and Mr Hird.
(q) The Interim Report given to the AFL was prepared for, and divulged or communicated to, the AFL for the purposes of ASADA’s continuing investigation, as set out in the covering letter dated 2 August 2013, but also in the knowledge that it would also be used by the AFL for the purpose of the AFL considering whether to bring disciplinary action against Essendon and Mr Hird.
16 These proceedings are brought under s 39B of the Judiciary Act 1903, involving the judicial review of administrative action.
17 Judicial review can be described broadly as the function of courts to provide remedies to people adversely affected by unlawful government action. Importantly, the purpose of judicial review is to ensure the legality of government action, rather than its correctness: see Attorney-General (NSW) v Quin (1990) 170 CLR 1 at 35-36.
18 No statutory power is required enabling a statutory authority merely to request that a person provide information voluntarily. ASADA had the power to request Essendon, Mr Hird and the 34 Players to provide information and answer questions voluntarily as part of its investigation: see Clough v Leahy (1904) 2 CLR 139 at 155-157 per Griffith CJ (Barton and O’Connor JJ concurring).
19 However, express or implied statutory power is required to compel the provision of information, or the answering of questions: see, eg, McGuinness v Attorney-General (Vic) (1940) 63 CLR 73 at 101-102, Day v Commissioner, Australian Federal Police (2000) 101 FCR 66; [2000] FCA 1272 at [11] and Williams v Commonwealth (2012) 248 CLR 156; [2012] HCA 23 at [63].
20 The executive government can procure the enactment of laws requiring the attendance of persons before those persons it designates to conduct an inquiry and requiring them to produce documents and to answer questions. If the requirements to attend, give evidence and produce documents are disobeyed, a sanction can be imposed. It is this element of power which distinguishes the governmental investigation from investigations by other entities. The element of power comes from the ability to compel the giving of evidence, with the imposition of a sanction.
21 The foremost response to the contention of Mr Hird and Essendon that Parliament did not authorise “a joint investigation” is that as a general proposition, this is too wide. Whether any investigation is lawful or not will depend upon the characterisation of its purpose, and the conduct and nature of that investigation. The investigation of ASADA, the subject of these proceedings, I have found was for the purpose of investigating anti-doping violations. In addition, as I will indicate, the nature and conduct of the investigation was lawful.
22 In respect of the nature and conduct of the “joint investigation”, Essendon and Mr Hird contend that it involved unlawful disclosure of information by ASADA.
23 Once it is appreciated that the AFL received the information directly from Mr Hird and the 34 Players in the course of the interviews, and not by being given the information by ASADA, then none of the protective provisions referred to by Essendon or Mr Hird applied in their terms to prevent the AFL receiving the information. In other words, in this particular investigation, Mr Hird and the 34 Players voluntarily and directly gave to the AFL the answers to questions and the information without complaint. Based upon my finding that the information provided at the interviews by Mr Hird and the 34 Players was simultaneously divulged and communicated to personnel of the AFL and ASADA, there was no disclosure of any information by ASADA to the AFL in the interviews.
24 In any event, by actually being in the interview room, knowing that AFL personnel were present, being aware that the Player Rules were applicable to the interview process, and by responding to each and every question, it can hardly be said that Mr Hird and the Essendon players and personnel did not knowingly consent to any information being disclosed then and there to all in the interview room.
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25 Mr Hird and Essendon submit that ASADA’s decision to proceed to investigate Essendon in the way that it did was driven by ASADA’s desire to harness the AFL’s compulsory powers in aid of the investigation.
26 In relation to this submission, I make the following response.
27 The “desire” to use or “harness” the AFL’s compulsory powers can immediately be accepted as one consideration that was relevant to ASADA’s interest in seeking the co-operation of the AFL. It was not ASADA’s purpose for conducting of the investigation.
28 ASADA’s purpose was as I have already described; that is, to investigate possible anti-doping violations. The “harnessing” of the “compulsory powers” of the AFL needs to be put in context. ASADA was not using any power of coercion or compulsion or any power of sanction under the Act or NAD Scheme. Mr Hird and the 34 Players could refuse to produce documents to, and to answer questions put to them by, ASADA or the AFL, but in doing so would breach their contractual obligations with Essendon and the AFL. Whether or not the 34 Players (or even Mr Hird) felt they had no choice to answer questions in front of ASADA and the AFL, is not to the point. The legal consequences of Mr Hird and the 34 Players voluntarily entering into the contractual regime with Essendon and the AFL, and subjecting themselves to the Player Rules and AFL Code, included undertaking certain obligations and relinquishing certain rights. One such right was the right to claim the privilege against self-incrimination before the AFL subject to the carve out in r 1.9 of the Player Rules. Similarly, obligations were imposed on Mr Hird and the 34 Players to co-operate with the AFL and ASADA in investigations. There is no suggestion in these proceedings that Mr Hird or any of the 34 Players did not understand the nature of the contractual obligations undertaken, or the rights they were giving up, in return for the right or privilege to play or coach AFL football for Essendon in the AFL competition.
29 The use of the compulsory powers by the AFL (and not by ASADA) did not thwart or frustrate the purpose of the Act or the NAD Scheme. ASADA did not use any compulsory power of its own, and Mr Hird and the 34 Players did not answer questions or provide any information arising from any requirement to do so under or pursuant to the Act or NAD Scheme. No power of the State has been utilised by ASADA to compel Mr Hird or the 34 Players to act in the way they did during the investigation.
30 I now turn to the contentions relating to the Interim Report.
31 In my view, the Interim Report was given to the AFL for both “the purposes of” the continuing ASADA investigation, and “in connection with” the ASADA investigation.
32 As to being used for “the purposes of” the investigation, as I have already mentioned the ASADA letter of 2 August 2013 made it clear that ASADA was requesting information from the AFL for ASADA’s continuing work on its investigation.
33 As to the question of whether the Interim Report was given “in connection with” the ASADA investigation, the following can be concluded.
34 On the evidence before the Court, the investigation disclosed a strong link between deficient governance and management practices at Essendon and the possibility of Essendon players being involved in anti-doping violations. This can be seen from the Statement of Grounds brought by the AFL against Essendon and Mr Hird, and by reference to the Deeds entered into by Essendon and Mr Hird in the settlement of the disciplinary charges brought against them by the AFL.
35 The Interim Report itself identified a connection between deficient governance and management practices on the part of Essendon personnel and the possibility of players being involved in anti-doping violations.
36 Therefore, the poor governance and management practices at Essendon were related to possible anti-doping violations by Essendon players, to the extent that such violations may have been systemic, or may have occurred because proper governance and management practices were not in place. This seems to have been the very situation that existed at Essendon. The disclosure of investigative information to enable the AFL to consider and, if thought appropriate, take disciplinary action against Essendon and its officials in this way was connected with the ASADA investigation.
37 For the reasons I will publish, I will order the dismissal of the applications brought by Essendon and Mr Hird.
38 However, if I had found the investigation to be unlawful or the provision of the Interim Report to be unauthorised or done for an improper purpose, issues would have arisen as to the exercise of the Court’s discretion in granting relief.
39 The courts have a responsibility to vindicate rights and ensure that public bodies act within the law. I do not consider that the discretion to refuse relief should be described as exceptional or rare in circumstances where a public body has acted unlawfully. However, there is a basic presumption that appropriate relief should follow upon a finding of unlawfulness.
40 In these proceedings, I would not have declined to set aside the Notices or grant injunctive orders on the basis of public policy, delay, acquiescence or the conduct of either Essendon or Mr Hird.
41 The only grounds in my view which would have precluded relief are the grounds of inevitable outcome and utility.
42 The AFL could itself have separately and lawfully (pursuant to the contractual regime) compelled the 34 Players and Mr Hird to provide the very information in fact provided by them in the course of the investigation.
43 ASADA could then have requested the provision of information from the AFL, or the AFL could have volunteered the information. The privileges against self-incrimination would not have been claimed in relation to the AFL due to the contractual obligations of Mr Hird and the 34 Players. In such a scenario, there would have been no question of unauthorised information being divulged or communicated by ASADA, as the AFL would have divulged or communicated the information to ASADA.
44 As to the future, no useful purpose would be served by setting aside the Notices or the grant of injunctive relief sought by Mr Hird and Essendon, because the process set out above could then be undertaken by the AFL and ASADA. I am not suggesting that this could be done by the simple expedient of obtaining the transcripts of the interviews in the possession and control of the AFL. This may not be permissible if the information contained in such transcripts was obtained unlawfully by ASADA.
45 However, the Court would not frame an order which prevents ASADA from being able to carry out its statutory functions in accordance with the law, even if that involves the derivative use of information sourced from the unlawfully conducted interviews. Nor does the power of the Court extend to removing from the memory of ASADA the material it has gathered in the joint investigation, some of which was lawfully obtained in any event.
46 If ASADA had made an unlawful decision, itself a nullity as contended for by Mr Hird and Essendon, this would not prevent a decision-maker making another lawful decision: see Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs v Bhardwaj (2002) 209 CLR 597.
47 The CEO or ASADA could in the future lawfully obtain effectively the same information by further interviews conducted independently by the AFL, which information would be given to ASADA. Mr Hird and the 34 Players can hardly be heard to contend before this Court in these proceedings that they would break their current contracts with Essendon and the AFL, and fail to provide requested information to the AFL.
48 The CEO would then need to consciously re-consider whether to issue new notices based upon that information and any additional material before him.
49 I make a final observation relating to the declaration sought concerning the Interim Report. If I had come to the view that the provision of the Interim Report to the AFL was unlawful, I would have been disinclined to make the declaration sought.
50 The Interim Report was provided to the AFL on 2 August 2013, with the knowledge of Mr Hird, Essendon and the 34 Players. No proceedings were brought to challenge the provision of the Interim Report to the AFL until the commencement of these proceedings.
51 More significantly, the AFL (not a party to these proceedings) has acted upon that Interim Report, bringing disciplinary charges against Essendon and Mr Hird. Both Essendon and Mr Hird entered into settlements with the AFL in relation to those disciplinary charges.
52 By way of conclusion, in my view, ASADA complied with the rule of law in establishing and conducting, in the manner and for the purposes it did, the investigation.
53 In addition, ASADA lawfully provided the Interim Report to the AFL, which has subsequently been acted upon by the AFL in bringing disciplinary charges against Essendon and Mr Hird.
54 On the basis of the reasons I now publish, the applications of Mr Hird and Essendon are dismissed.
55 In each application the Court orders the following:
(a) The application is dismissed.
(b) Unless a party notifies in writing the Court by 4:00pm on Wednesday 1 October 2014, indicating opposition to this order as to costs, the Applicant pay the Respondent’s costs of and in connection with the proceeding to be taxed in default of agreement.
http://www.news.com.au/national/justice-john-middletons-full-ruling-against-essendon-and-james-hird-in-the-federal-court/story-e6frfkp9-1227064187952
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U saying McVeigh was incorrect ?
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Little can buy every one of them $$
Billion is lots of dollars
Can't buy respect
Can't buy respect. Can't buy credibility. Can't take it with him to his grave.
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RETIRED Essendon midfielder Mark McVeigh has poured cold water on the use of supplements within the Bombers' fitness ranks.
The 232-game veteran threw his full support behind the Bombers' fitness and medical departments which included former staffer Steve Dank and strength and conditioning guru Dean Robinson. ;D
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haha
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I'm pinching myself
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Vitamin C
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Storm in a teacup.
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Bomberblitz in meltdown with 50 pages posted just today in their ASADA thread :lol. Most still in denial that Essendon has done anything wrong and blaming today's loss in court on Evans self-reporting back in Feb 2013 :facepalm.
http://bomberblitz.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1083-asaga/page-1817
However, a small few are finally seeing the light and real mess their club is in.
Millions on lawyers that suck, millions on facilities players want to be traded away from, millions on coaches that holiday in France for a year, millions on high performance staff that screw the place up. What a stupid bunch of idiots run our club.
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Link broken.
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:lol
And Caro after today's verdict ;D
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https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ASADAverdict&src=tyah
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Link broken.
You probably have to register as a member to read that thread? Joining up is good for a laugh though when Essendon is imploding.
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Anyone said sorry to Kyle Reimers yet?
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For those of you wanting to pick over their carcass - might have to put the carrion in cold storage until 2016:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/cronulla-sharks/essendon-bombers-players-could-face-12month-bans-following-federal-court-ruling-20140919-10jhnf.html
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Essendon Football Club Statement
September 19, 2014
Essendon Football Club is understandably disappointed at todays Federal Court decision.
Before deciding the next steps, we will consider the reasons for the final judgement, including whether or not to appeal this decision.
In taking these proceedings, our priority has been to protect and vindicate the legal rights and interests of the players.
The Club maintains its confidence that, on all the evidence available to us, neither harmful nor banned substances were given to the players during the supplements program of 2012.
Out of respect for the competition and the Clubs still competing this season, it is not our intention to provide any further commentary on this matter beyond today’s statement.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2014-09-19/club-statement
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Robbo's comment ...
James Hird’s fate in hands of players after Federal Court failure
Mark Robinson
Herald-Sun
September 20, 2014
JAMES Hird is wounded, perhaps fatally.
His position as coach of Essendon next season clearly was less secure at 3pm than it was at 1pm, when Justice Middleton emphatically and stunningly dismissed Hird and Essendon’s application to throw out the ASADA-AFL investigation.
Call it what you will using any metaphor or slogan — a 20-goal drubbing, a financial bomb, a PR whacking, can No. 5 stay alive? — but the Bombers were flattened by the result.
Hird and Essendon went to the Federal Court to fight for the players after the players were issued show-cause notices.
Now, it would seem it will be the players who’ll decide if Hird, and by extension Mark Thompson, and Dr Bruce Reid, and chairman Paul Little and every other board member there through 2011 and 2012, will be at the club next year.
There’s an argument they should all resign en masse. But that won’t happen.
Hird won’t walk, either. It’s not in his DNA to walk. Some will call it arrogance and denial to the extreme. Others say he is a fighter, a fierce competitor, and he’ll do everything and take on anything to clear his name, the players and the footy club.
But Hird might not have a choice.
The 34 players have to answer show-cause notices.
They will decide either to fight them, which could add another 18 months to the nightmare with no confidence of a result, or accept a deal for a suspension which surely will be in the offing from ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt.
The court case was a momentum killer and you have to ask if the players have had enough. Had enough of the drama, the headlines, the uncertainty, the anger and the body blows.
Already, Patrick Ryder is distressed — and has now requested a trade.
So what happens now?
The players were offered a deal before the Federal Court case began and you’d expect McDevitt would open negotiations again. He wants a swift end.
So does the AFL. It wont’ lean on McDevitt in any way because last time the league interfered — CEO Gill McLachlan suggested to Little that players voluntarily stand down to minimise future penalties, which doesn’t look a bad move today — the AFL was harangued by all and sundry.
The curly one is the players.
The worst-case scenario is a deal is for a 12-month ban and the best case a suspension possibly as short as three months.
In any situation, the players have to plead guilty to taking a banned substance.
There’s the curl.
Do they plead guilty to taking a banned drug when they believe they didn’t and be labelled drugs cheats for the rest of lives, or do they ignore the deals, fight ASADA against the show-cause notices and hopefully win the result?
No doubt, some of them will be emotional and the NRL result, where most of the players received three-month bans, could be inviting.
Until now — Ryder aside — the playing group has been rock solid.
It’s reasonable to suggest that after 20 months the players will continue to fight to clear their names. But you just never know.
If players do take deals — even just one player — then Hird is finished. So is Bomber and Reid and Little and the necessary board members.
You can’t have suspended players sitting in the stands and the senior officials of then coaching and managing in the now.
Everyone has pointed finger at Hird, but the responsibility is significant for the Little and the board.
Gut feel says the players won’t roll.
Gut feel says Hird and Essendon will likely appeal because they believe their legal argument was not addressed by Middleton.
What a mess it is for everyone.
Essendon has already blown in the vicinity of $5 million and an appeal could throw good money after bad. Justice Middleton almost dared them to, to further the stupidity of it all.
The Bombers also have to pay ASADA’s costs.
If the players take deals, the football club will be turned on its head. It will need a new coach and new board and greater resilience from the fans.
If the players take deals, the AFL has to be concerned about what happens to the competition next year. Can the Bombers field a team? Where do they find players? What happens to the media rights deal?
Then there’s Stephen Dank.
He walked into court 30 seconds before Justice Middleton and sat in the row behind Hird, Little and Bombers chief executive Xavier Campbell.
Audacity doesn’t cut it.
He maintained he didn’t give the players banned drugs and Little said the same out the front of Federal Court.
Friday was another day and another dollar and ASADA won the battle.
The war continues, however, which means more banging of heads against what feels like a brick wall.
http://www.news.com.au/national/james-hirds-fate-in-hands-of-players-after-federal-court-failure/story-e6frfkp9-1227064597571
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And Caro's comment ....
Essendon pays for misguided approach
Caroline Wilson
The Age
September 20, 2014
The bad advice that has punctuated Essendon's handling of its drug scandal since David Evans departed almost 14 months ago was exposed in an emphatic, costly way on Friday in the Federal Court.
Surely Paul Little's board cannot survive this. Little's defiant course showed signs of softening at the start of this season but accelerated when the club and James Hird joined forces in a bid to derail the ASADA investigation into the club's substance program of 2011 and 2012.
Having paid the banned Hird for his season in purgatory and signed the coach for a further two seasons in an overall cost of at least $2.5 million, Little's legal strategy has further placed the club in financial peril with lawyers bills now estimated at $2 million before Friday's court costs, albeit before insurance claims.
In the meantime, the AFL competition has been repeatedly hijacked by court dramas, conspiracy theories and pages of nebulous documentary evidence all designed to avoid the real issues at play. All in the name of justice when in fact Essendon itself admitted it ran a pharmaceutical program never adequately controlled or checked and has repeatedly refused to truly attempt to learn or face what drugs its players were actually given. A program that looks certain to cost the club its star ruckman Paddy Ryder.
Just as Hird sealed his own fate by refusing back in April last season to step down and take responsibility, the club and Little now appear to have done the same by rejecting the path pursued by Evans, which not only claimed to prioritise the players' interests, but actually did so.
Evans' mistake was to hand a ridiculous amount of influence to an untried coach who was a close friend. A coach working under a CEO who failed to manage his football department. But Evans not only put players first he cared about the competition and its reputation.
All Essendon and Hird achieved from taking ASADA to court was to further damage the AFL's name and its processes. Hird managed to throw in a few gratuitous whacks at his bitter enemy Andrew Demetriou and former friend Evans along the way.
Now Little's tenure is under threat and he will receive little sympathy from the 17 other clubs, who have had a gutful of Essendon's damaging tactics. At least two directors – Greg Brown and Phil Pryor – will depart before December's annual general meeting.
Former player Justin Blumfield and one-time Melbourne Storm boss Ron Gauci – who interviewed for the Bomber CEO's role late last year – are two names being promoted by a group which plans take on the Little regime. The chairman has a board that is not united, with new director Simon Madden's role expected to be pivotal in the coming months. The Justice John Middleton decision was seen as pivotal to the future of the Little's regime at this most political of AFL clubs.
While the AFL played no official role in the Federal Court challenge, Friday's finding was an endorsement of its new CEO Gillon McLachlan, who oversaw the Essendon investigation last year.
McLachlan's integrity boss Brett Clothier held the view from the outset that the investigation would be tainted unless all the parties involved worked together and shared their knowledge. It was a view to which Clothier remained wedded and though some of his and the AFL's tactics did not emerge well from the court hearing their strategy was vindicated by Justice Middleton.
The discredited Stephen Dank made a cameo appearance in court on Friday. How ironic that he or the compounding chemist Nima Alavi could prove to be the star witness who could save the players. After all, so many of these drugs came from China and perhaps now Dank – who changed his story after alleging the players took the banned Thyamosin-Beta 4 – will say even he has no idea what exactly was in them.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-pays-for-misguided-approach-20140919-10jkma.html
Bombers face crippling legal bill after court orders club to pay costs
Essendon faces a massive legal bill after losing its Federal Court challenge against the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority. The club's legal bill stood conservatively at close to $2 million - although insurance will offset this - before the club on Friday was ordered to pay costs. This was after Justice John Middleton emphatically found in favour of ASADA, ultimately validating the anti-doping body's joint investigation with the AFL into the Bombers' 2011-2012 drug program.
Paul Little's hold on the chairmanship of the embattled club looked tenuous late on Friday after the failure of his bold and costly attempt to take on ASADA. Justice Middleton's ruling left Little facing an increasingly divided board concerned at the ongoing damage to the club and the costly nature of his leadership.
Some directors and influential Essendon supporters have also become disenchanted about the return of suspended coach Hird, who also took on ASADA and lost. At least three directors are expected to depart the club before the forthcoming annual general meeting, with one former player and several well-known supporters looking at nominating to achieve a five-four majority over Little and his supporters at the board table.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-face-crippling-legal-bill-after-court-orders-club-to-pay-costs-20140919-10jhz4.html
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Essendon figures last night said the club’s high-powered legal team believed it had strong grounds to appeal.
“It’s not over yet,” one official said.
The Bombers have until October 9 to lodge an appeal, but face mounting public pressure to accept the court’s decision.
A club board meeting on Thursday night galvanised the Essendon view that the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority will struggle to make its doping charges stick against the 34 players issued with show-cause notices in June.
Former Hawthorn president and Victorian premier Jeff Kennett last night called for the entire Essendon board to resign. Mr Kennett said he expected the board to be rolled at this year’s general meeting anyway. Kennett has also questioned James Hird’s ability to remain as senior coach.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-may-miss-afl-premiership-matches-after-federal-court-challenges-into-asadaafl-investigation-failed/story-fnelctok-1227064741039
http://www.news.com.au/national/essendon-likely-to-fight-on-after-losing-federal-court-case/story-e6frfkp9-1227064381035
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Voted most liked responses to Slobbo's articles. Seems the public has had a gutful (some brutal gems here lads):-
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/james-hirds-fate-in-hands-of-players-after-federal-court-failure/story-fnp04d70-1227064597571
Top Comment
i'm not a Bombers fan, but what this club has done to its faithfull, and continues to do is nothing short of beligerence. They (Hird and Little) have dug a hole so deep and so dark that not even the sun shining out of Hirds proverbial can be seen. Stop digging the hole. Face up to it. Leave and.let those who truly love their club salvage what is left so that their children's children will have a team to support. :clapping
Silver Medal (as previously posted)
Can the last person to leave Windy Hill please turn out the lights. Goodnight Bombers....
Bronze
I can't believe Hird's continued arrogance. Hasn't he ever heard about taking one for the team ? I'm afraid its all become just about saving his tarnished image and clinging to a place in the AFL Hall of Fame. It now doesn't matter whether the Bombers are guilty or not. The whole process is killing the club. So what if Hird thinks he's innocent and will have his reputation sullied ? It's not as if he's fighting a life sentence in jail. So he can't coach his beloved Bombers. Big deal Hird, just walk away and let your club pick up the pieces. He's owes it to the red and black faithful. After all he can always play the martyr card in the years to come if his ego gets too bruised :thumbsup
Honourable Mentions
@Rose You can be gobsmacked all you like Rose, but the simple fact of the matter is you've constantly bought into the Hird/Little PR machine without having a clue about the truth and now you've got it, you still want to hide behind your ongoing conspiracy theory.
As Kenny Rogers profoundly expressed, "you've got to know when to hold 'Em, know when to fold em". James and the bombers are holding a pair of 2s - for the good of the players, the club and the supporters, "know when to walk away James" :yep
Obviously the French didn't teach James anything about the virtues of a quick surrender ;D
I think the important thing to remember about this whole saga is that in spite of all the stress and strain James has always dressed impeccably. And most importantly,his hair has remained perfect. :lol
Robbo,you and Michael Warner have clearly backed the wrong horse with this one.
Finally, time to remove your red and black blinkers.
You should be calling on Hird and Little to resign immediately, nothing less.
Any other club, Robbo, you would be putting the boots in and calling their lot untenable. :clapping
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"Bombers coach James Hird leaves for San Francisco this morning to complete an international business course as club chiefs consider appealing yesterday’s stunning verdict by Justice John Middleton".
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...stigation-failed/story-fni5f22o-1227064741039
"I believe that if show cause notices are issued to current or former Essendon players by ASADA this would give rise to immeasurable and irremediable damage to my reputation, my earning capacity as an AFL coach and my business interests external to Essendon and the AFL". James Hird
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I really don't think this cat can g his head around the situation probably due to god complex.
It doesn't work as follows ->. Drug cheating - get in trouble - get off due to drug cheating consequences are unfortunate in regards. To ones reputation"
That line about the head being far up the bum, and enjoying the view is accurate.
The level of delusion is wonderous. I Lala land wit wp
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http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2014-09-19/club-statement
Essendon Football Club is understandably disappointed at todays Federal Court decision.
Before deciding the next steps, we will consider the reasons for the final judgement, including whether or not to appeal this decision.
In taking these proceedings, our priority has been to protect and vindicate the legal rights and interests of the players.
The Club maintains its confidence that, on all the evidence available to us, neither harmful nor banned substances were given to the players during the supplements program of 2012.
Out of respect for the competition and the Clubs still competing this season, it is not our intention to provide any further commentary on this matter beyond today’s statement.
:clapping
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i'm not a Bombers fan, but what this club has done to its faithfull, and continues to do is nothing short of beligerence. They (Hird and Little) have dug a hole so deep and so dark that not even the sun shining out of Hirds proverbial can be seen. Stop digging the hole. Face up to it. Leave and.let those who truly love their club salvage what is left so that their children's children will have a team to support. :clapping
Think that sums up how most rational, clear thinking folk feel.
Robbo's says it's "in the players hands" now. He always seems to forget or just refuses to accept that there is a 3rd party who can help with ending this mess and it's Mr James "they bullied me, I only coach the team, It's not my fault, I'll throw anyone under a bus if it will somehow save my bacon" Hird.
He could (if understood what it meant) do the honourable thing and quit.
He could for once put his footy club and its players which he supposedly loves ahead of his himself and his over inflated ego and leave the place in order for it to salvage something
But no, Jimmy will hold on, continue to blame every man and his dog for what happened.
It now seems obvious that his main goal is to become the most despised person in the history of the game. Because that is what he will become if he isn't already. While he & the EFC continue on their non apologetic course of self destruction the entire competition continues to be battered from pillar to post and they don't care
Why? Because outside of not caring about anything or anyone other than themselves they simply just don't get it
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Regardless of what happens from here - this will taint them for a generation or two - absolute scum club and would not be sad to see them go under
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If you really thought you were innocent of something wouldn't you fight it till the end.Maybe James really truly believes he is innocent(I personally think like many here that the dons should just shut ,cop their whack and move on)
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Tasmainia fc
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If you really thought you were innocent of something wouldn't you fight it till the end.Maybe James really truly believes he is innocent(I personally think like many here that the dons should just shut ,cop their whack and move on)
If you thought you where innocent you would fight it in the appropriate way, not try to get off on a r technicality. The club should fight it at the ADRVP with evidence they did in fact take non banned substances. The only thing that will save them is if ASADA's evidence is too flimsy but I doubt that will happen.
They have wasted so much money - their poor old member's money - on chasing a non existent loophole. All to save King James.
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when the three month bans were handed to the cronulla players i caught the arse end of a press conference where the rep from ASADA was asked if a similar deal was on the table for essendon at this time, and he emphatically replied in the negative
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when the three month bans were handed to the cronulla players i caught the arse end of a press conference where the rep from ASADA was asked if a similar deal was on the table for essendon at this time, and he emphatically replied in the negative
I'm a Cronulla fan and yet I haven't followed it all that closely but I was under the impression Cronulla co-operated. Essendon on the other hand have taken it to court and will likely fight the show cause notices.
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If you really thought you were innocent of something wouldn't you fight it till the end.Maybe James really truly believes he is innocent(I personally think like many here that the dons should just shut ,cop their whack and move on)
That's a little naive, Gigs.
If you really thought you were guilty and your professional career would be over for ever and you were a spoilt ponce who has never gone without a thing in his life - wouldn't you fight it till the end ???
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Regardless of what happens from here - this will taint them for a generation or two - absolute scum club and would not be sad to see them go under
Agreed. 15 years or so after the salary cap breaches at Carlton and I reckon the image of the club still hasn't fully recovered. In fact there remains an image of shifty doings and shifty supporters.
What has happened at Essendon is definitely worse. It will take till 2030 and beyond to shake this and even longer if they keep fighting the bad fight.
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Robbo: Dons and Hird to appeal
Joshua Papanikolaou
SEN
September 20, 2014
Mark Robinson has told SEN that Essendon and coach James Hird will be formally appealing Justice John Middleton’s verdict that the AFL/ASADA investigation into the supplement saga was lawful.
“I honestly believe it’s not over.
“I am told Essendon and James Hird will be appealing the court case after the Grand Final,” Robinson said on SEN’s Crunch Time.
However, when asked if he thought Hird was likely to coach next year, given at least one Bomber is looking to leave and the court case has been lost, the chief football writer for the Herald Sun acknowledged the coach’s future at Essendon did not look good.
“No, no I don’t think he can (coach next year).
“I think players are going to roll, they don’t want another two years of this, I think they will take penalties and if that happens Hird can’t coach.”
The news also comes on the back of reports that ruckman Paddy Ryder has told the club he wants to leave.
Furthermore, fellow radio host Michael Voss pointed out that if Ryder forces a trade then that should be viewed as a similar consequence to a show-cause notice or the player taking a deal.
“Because of this situation he is leaving the football club, it’s not a show-cause notice, but he’s actually leaving because of those reasons.”
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/Robbo-Dons-and-Hird-to-appeal/71543
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Oh Robbo, what now of your poor fallen hero?
If only as (somehow) chief football writer you hadn't worn your heart on your sleeve and critiqued your boyhood club as fairly as you would have any other.
Now, barely able to string a coherent sentence together the last of your unstructured credibility dissolves into mere nothingness, then resentment.
You will be remembered as a key PR party to this whole mess. You bought in to the BS. You can only blame yourself
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Regardless of what happens from here - this will taint them for a generation or two - absolute scum club and would not be sad to see them go under
Agreed. 15 years or so after the salary cap breaches at Carlton and I reckon the image of the club still hasn't fully recovered. In fact there remains an image of shifty doings and shifty supporters.
What has happened at Essendon is definitely worse. It will take till 2030 and beyond to shake this and even longer if they keep fighting the bad fight.
Whilst we have not done anything illegal we have been poo for 30+ years.
Reckon the Bummers are gone for at least 25 years. Hird and Little are the most despised people in football and the vitriol for Essendon from the other 17 clubs will be palpable.
The game and its stakeholders have been held for ransom. Hird owes us all to walk away and never show his face again. Never.
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New push to dump James Hird from Essendon could see him sacked before Christmas
Rita Panahi
Herald Sun
September 21, 2014 12:00AM
ESSENDON coach James Hird could be sacked before Christmas with a rival ticket led by disgruntled supporters set to challenge the Paul Little-led board.
The Sunday Herald Sun understands that a group of influential heavyweights will meet this week to finalise a ticket to challenge the incumbent board at the club’s November Annual General Meeting.
If successful the new board members will immediately call for James Hird to be removed as senior coach.
Hird yesterday flew out to San Francisco to complete an international business course as his club lurched to its lowest point since the supplement scandal was first revealed early last year.
It is understood that the existing board is already fractured with several directors unhappy about Hird’s presence at the club after serving a 12-month suspension.
A former player warned that the demoralising Federal Court judgement was the last straw for the current board.
“They have badly mishandled every key decision,” he said.
“They have failed their obligations and set the club back years.”
Most of the current board were at the club during the implementation of the supplement program. Only Simon Madden, who was elected last year, started his tenure after the supplement regime had ceased completely.
The revelations come as the club prepares for the possibility of show cause notices being issued to several support staff. Insiders at ASADA have hinted that there are more show cause notices to be issued stemming from the Essendon investigation.
The 34 current and former players already issued show-cause notices remain in limbo after Justice John Middleton on Friday dismissed Essendon and Hird’s challenge to the ASADA drugs investigation into the club.
Ruckman Patrick Ryder has already walked out and the club now faces a tough ask convincing other players to stay.
One of the 34 players issued a show cause notice told the Sunday Herald Sun that he was led to believe that the club would be certain to win its Federal Court case against ASADA and the notices would be set aside permanently.
The player said he had “no idea, none” that even if Essendon were successful in the Federal Court ASADA could launch a fresh investigation and re-gather the evidence needed for the issuing of show cause notices.
If the players accept deals from ASADA it would be unlikely that they would be available for selection in round one of the 2015 season.
It is understood the AFL has a contingency plan in place to ensure Essendon can field a team even if they have multiple players banned for doping breaches.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/new-push-to-dump-james-hird-from-essendon-could-see-him-sacked-before-christmas (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/new-push-to-dump-james-hird-from-essendon-could-see-him-sacked-before-christmas)
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Bombers face a tough fight to appeal, say lawyers
Date
September 20, 2014 - 7:00PM
Jon Pierik
Essendon and James Hird could face an almost impossible task to successfully appeal their decisive loss in the Federal Court, lawyers claim.
The Bombers and Hird are weighing up whether to challenge Justice John Middleton's decision that the joint investigation conducted by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority and the AFL into the club's 2012 supplements program was lawful.
This comes as player agents with clients at Essendon on Saturday began discussing what their next move would be. A deal with ASADA is the preferred option for some now that the 34 players issued with show-cause notices face the prospect of infraction notices and suspensions. Potential law suits against the club, should infraction notices be issued, have also been raised.
Ruckman Patrick Ryder has already quit the Bombers largely because of the scandal, and met with Greater Western Sydney recruiting chiefs Graeme Allan and Steve Silvagni and coach Leon Cameron on Saturday.
It's believed the AFL Players Association will look to hold a meeting with the 34 players as soon as this week.
Middleton was emphatic that the anti-doping body and the AFL had done nothing wrong during their joint probe, and even ruled that the Bombers and Hird pay ASADA's costs, which some believe could be more than $500,000. The Bombers have already spent more than $1 million on legal fees this year alone, as the financial pain mounts.
Graham Smith, a partner with Clayton Utz and a leading industrial relations and employment law specialist, said the losing parties faced a major challenge if they chose to appeal.
"The decision is a complete vindication of the actions taken by ASADA. It is a comprehensive and closely reasoned decision that is unlikely to be overturned on appeal, in my view," Smith said.
"When you look at it objectively, their case was not as strong as it appeared."
The Bombers and Hird had 21 days from Friday to appeal to the full Federal Court of three judges.
Smith said Middleton's decision reinforced the strength of the AFL's coercive powers that ASADA had required to compel the players to answer truthfully during their interviews. These interviews helped ASADA issue show-cause notices, which Hird and the Bombers had argued should be struck out.
"I would say the judgement contains a very lucid examination of the obligations of players and coaches under the player rules and the AFL standard player contract to co-operate in any joint AFL, ASADA investigation and to fully and truthfully answer any questions asked by the AFL, including on ASADA's behalf," Smith said.
"It does show the enormous breadth of power ASADA and the AFL have got to conduct a joint investigation through what he [Middleton] calls the 'contractual framework'.
"It shows the key role of the AFL in enforcing the ASADA regime."
Lawyer and blogger Natalie Hickey, a former partner at King & Wood Mallesons, wrote on sociallitigator.com that Middleton's factual findings were "devastating" for the Bombers and Hird.
She pointed to Middleton's declaration that "on the evidence before the court, the investigation disclosed a strong link between deficient governance and management practices at Essendon and the possibility of Essendon players being involved in anti-doping violations".
"Therefore, the poor governance and management practices at Essendon were related to possible anti-doping violations by Essendon players, to the extent that such violations may have been systemic, or may have occurred because proper governance and management practices were not in place. This seems to have been the very situation that existed at Essendon," Middleton said.
Hickey wrote: "In other words, Justice Middleton went further than an analysis of ASADA's legal powers. He was prepared to conclude that the apparent anti-doping rule violations leading to ASADA's intervention were entirely justified."
Hickey said lawyers for Hird and the Bombers would assess the findings of fact, the strength of the legal analysis and the impact of the discretionary factors before deciding whether to appeal.
While Hickey said "no judgment is appeal proof", in terms of the finding of the facts, Hird and the Bombers faced a difficult task to push for an appeal.
"Findings of fact cannot generally be overturned on appeal. This is because the trial judge is in the best position to assess the demeanour of witnesses. Appeal judges only review the paperwork and do not get to see the witnesses again," she said.
"True it is, conclusions based on inferences [say, from documents] are more susceptible to challenge. However, appeal courts are generally at pains to support the decision of the judge below.
"Indeed, the task of an appellant to overturn a judgment cannot be overstated. It is very hard. There must generally be a clear error of law for an appeal court to find that one of their colleagues was mistaken in approach."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-face-a-tough-fight-to-appeal-say-lawyers-20140920-10jqsb.html#ixzz3DtpOzdmw
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"I welcome the Federal Court's decision," Fahey said.
"The governments of 194 countries have accepted the code in support of clean and ethical athletes and officials. To me it was beyond belief that one club in one city of one of those countries would believe the rules should not apply to them.
"It is time certain people with big egos and fat wallets threw them both in the drawer and started focusing on 34 young men and their future in sport.
"Refusing to face reality only increases the likelihood of longer suspensions for the players. I sincerely hope that commonsense now comes into play."
S lane
The age
24/9/14
From: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/former-wada-boss-john-fahey-believes-essendon-players-may-serve-longer-bans-20140920-10jo7t.html
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"I welcome the Federal Court's decision," Fahey said.
"The governments of 194 countries have accepted the code in support of clean and ethical athletes and officials. To me it was beyond belief that one club in one city of one of those countries would believe the rules should not apply to them.
"It is time certain people with big egos and fat wallets threw them both in the drawer and started focusing on 34 young men and their future in sport.
"Refusing to face reality only increases the likelihood of longer suspensions for the players. I sincerely hope that commonsense now comes into play."
S lane
The age
24/9/14
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/former-wada-boss-john-fahey-believes-essendon-players-may-serve-longer-bans-20140920-10jo7t.html
How many times do you need to be reminded Bents, put in a proper link.
Sheesh all you needed to add was either the page number from the printed hard copy or the web link. It's not hard, especially considering you seem to (in most cases) be able to manage it with your politics conspiracy theory posts :banghead :banghead
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IMV the most pertinent thing John Fahey said is this
"It is time certain people with big egos and fat wallets threw them both in the drawer and started focusing on 34 young men and their future in sport."
From: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/former-wada-boss-john-fahey-believes-essendon-players-may-serve-longer-bans-20140920-10jo7t.html
About time the morons at the EFC realised that
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I'm happy to let them keep going and absolutely annihilate their brand.
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Listening to radio national this morning the legal eagles they had on,seem to be encouraging the Dons to appeal for the sake of the players
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I only heard it on the TV in the background so I didn't hear all of it. Apparently there's going to be some meeting with/of the Essendon players. Barrett reckons some players will start seeking their own legal advice after Essendon as a club not only failed with the court case but now has the players in a worse position than ever before.
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I'm happy to let them keep going and absolutely annihilate their brand.
I'm pretty much the same now.
Appealing the court case decision will result in A few more nails in the coffin for the club, more debt and probably force the players to revolt.
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when the three month bans were handed to the cronulla players i caught the arse end of a press conference where the rep from ASADA was asked if a similar deal was on the table for essendon at this time, and he emphatically replied in the negative
I'm a Cronulla fan and yet I haven't followed it all that closely but I was under the impression Cronulla co-operated. Essendon on the other hand have taken it to court and will likely fight the show cause notices.
yep, thats the crux of it
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I believe a major sponsor is ready to run. :lol
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Oh Robbo, what now of your poor fallen hero?
If only as (somehow) chief football writer you hadn't worn your heart on your sleeve and critiqued your boyhood club as fairly as you would have any other.
Now, barely able to string a coherent sentence together the last of your unstructured credibility dissolves into mere nothingness, then resentment.
You will be remembered as a key PR party to this whole mess. You bought in to the BS. You can only blame yourself
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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I believe a major sponsor is ready to run. :lol
Too much time in the sun?
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He was prepared to conclude that the apparent anti-doping rule violations leading to ASADA's intervention were entirely justified."
;D
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Rogered3 any chance of getting him to run up Punt road?
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Oh Robbo, what now of your poor fallen hero?
If only as (somehow) chief football writer you hadn't worn your heart on your sleeve and critiqued your boyhood club as fairly as you would have any other.
Now, barely able to string a coherent sentence together the last of your unstructured credibility dissolves into mere nothingness, then resentment.
You will be remembered as a key PR party to this whole mess. You bought in to the BS. You can only blame yourself
Mark Robbinsdon is an effwitt. Hope he gets sacked on the back on this.
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Denial in imbeciles runs deep........
From Bummer Bitz
Humble NSW Fan, on 12 Sept 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:
I cant believe James Hird is making it all about himself again.
Cult of Hird.
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 12:41 PM
Apparently he did not want any other coaches to attend
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Oh Robbo, what now of your poor fallen hero?
If only as (somehow) chief football writer you hadn't worn your heart on your sleeve and critiqued your boyhood club as fairly as you would have any other.
Now, barely able to string a coherent sentence together the last of your unstructured credibility dissolves into mere nothingness, then resentment.
You will be remembered as a key PR party to this whole mess. You bought in to the BS. You can only blame yourself
Mark Robbinsdon is an effwitt. Hope he gets sacked on the back on this.
His position is as untenable as Hird's now in my view. Lost whatever little credibility he ever had. Don't care for Barrett and certainly never liked snivelling ol' Four Eyes but Barrett nailed it when he said Slobbo writes his articles with his Essendon #5 jumper on the HUN replacing Sheahan with Slobbo as chief football writer was like replacing Sinatra with a karaoke singer.
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Oh Robbo, what now of your poor fallen hero?
If only as (somehow) chief football writer you hadn't worn your heart on your sleeve and critiqued your boyhood club as fairly as you would have any other.
Now, barely able to string a coherent sentence together the last of your unstructured credibility dissolves into mere nothingness, then resentment.
You will be remembered as a key PR party to this whole mess. You bought in to the BS. You can only blame yourself
Mark Robbinsdon is an effwitt. Hope he gets sacked on the back on this.
It was only this time last week
Robbo had a erection and poo eating grin
Telling everyone thatd listen bomber and hird co-coaches
Pushing his cult like views about his beloved albert . somewhere a shrink is having a field day writing a book OKeessendon and god delusion
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Robbo had a erection and poo eating grin
All three inches worth
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Supplements saga: Bombers must change a bad game plan
Date
September 20, 2014
Jake Niall
In September, there have been two complete and utter routs that were decided within 25 minutes. Richmond, which unwisely kicked into the wind, was embarrassed by Port Adelaide.
But the Essendon Football Club and its defiant coach James Hird fared far worse in the 25 minutes it took Justice John Middleton to throw out their application, as if he was swotting a legal mosquito, on Friday afternoon. In cricket terms, Essendon's off and middle stumps were uprooted.
Middleton not only dismissed the Essendon application, he handed the club a nasty legal bill and - if the experts this column has consulted are right - closed down most avenues for Essendon and Hird to appeal the verdict. The judge's tone was suitably dismissive.
The club was stunned. It had entered the court expecting a win of one sort or another and we assume that it was this scent of victory and vindication - that wafted through Melbourne's legal circles - that prompted Stephen Dank, who has avoided ASADA , to turn up.
On the same day, it was unsurprisingly confirmed that Paddy Ryder would be leaving the club, largely as a consequence of the fallout from 2012. Essendon, which bet the farm and lost in court, has to reconsider its whole approach and "us-against-them" psyche. The Dons' options have narrowed, because they have largely lost control of their capacity to influence what happens with the show-cause notices.
On Saturday, speculation abounded about whether Essendon and its coach would or should appeal. They shouldn't even consider it. Furthermore, no appeal should be countenanced without the blessing of most of those 34 players.
As it stands, there are 20 or 21 of them still at Essendon. By the end of trading/delisting, that number will have reduced further - perhaps to 17 or 18. So to speak of "Essendon players" is only half right. Almost half will likely be former Essendon players, whom the club has little capacity to influence - save for the fact that it is footing some of their exorbitant legal bills. Essendon and the AFL Players Association, to date, have managed to keep both current and ex-players in the same tent - a fair achievement, given the divergent interests. Amid the failings, Essendon's greatest achievement has been player retention.
The players weren't a party to the Essendon/Hird legal action - they merely made a submission - for this very sound reason: their legal team had to keep a plea bargain up their sleeve if infractions couldn't be stopped in court. The 34 players are entitled to a discounted penalty for providing cooperation and assistance to ASADA. Taking on the national doping body in court doesn't constitute "cooperation".
If this verdict does not bring a shift of mindset at Essendon, then the club will sink further, prolonging the eventual recovery. Who, outside of denialists and a diminishing portion of rusted-on fans, seriously thinks Hird should continue as coach, or that Essendon/Hird can continue their legal fight? The broader football community has had enough of the whole saga, which threatens to infect a third season.
Essendon, in so far as it can influence what those 34 players want, should help expedite the outcome of the show-cause notices. This does not necessarily mean helping facilitate a deal with ASADA. That is one of two realistic options for players.
The first option is to contest the show-cause notices and, failing that, to defend charges at the AFL's special doping tribunal. Doping experts reckon it is harder to stop a show-cause becoming an infraction than to defend a doping charge in a tribunal. Once the charge is laid, the onus shifts to the prosecution to present its case at the tribunal. The argument is that the tribunal is the best place to defend players.
Alternatively, the players can cut a deal. Most likely, this would be a Cronulla-style plea bargain, in which suspensions would be minimised, hopefully to the point that they are entirely served in the off-season, with a few weeks backdated.
But this would also mean an admission of inadverdant doping, which the players have understandably resisted to date. They haven't been willing to cross that bridge, partly because ASADA hasn't shown all its evidence. It would also mean the end of Hird. Essendon, therefore, has another incentive to keep Mark Thompson at the club and on standby - albeit "Bomber" suggested last year he, too, would go in the event of infractions.
Today, Essendon can only advise and assist the 34 players, who are in the hands of the AFLPA and their legal team. It is the players, not Essendon, who are facing show causes. It is the players, not Essendon, who have to decide their next step.
A current Essendon player might take a different view to one who has left, or is leaving the club such as Ryder. Consider what happens if another club offers an Essendon player a contract, but is worried about a 12-month suspension. What if the new club asks him to have his suspension completed by March/April, as a way of protecting its investment?
Regardless of what each player decides, Essendon should mark Friday, September 19, as the end of its bellicose, litigious game plan, which has merely wasted money, time and intensified the irrational but understandable anger - against the AFL, ASADA, the Gillard government and certain journalists - of a sizeable chunk of its supporters.
It is always much easier to blame a third party, or the umpire, than to acknowledge one's own responsibility. The Switkowski report - implicitly criticised by Hird and Paul Little - was the high watermark for Essendon taking responsibility for its own actions and inactions and seeking to right mistakes.
Hopefully, the judgement will see a chastened club, one that recognises that it is part of a competition, that it cannot act unilaterally within an inter-dependent AFL environment. It will struggle, for instance, to recruit attractive players from other clubs at affordable prices while it is in combat mode. It is in Essendon's self-interest to change game plans.
In 25 minutes, Judge Middleton has put paid to the old plan, which involved too much attack and hasn't succeeded in defending the players.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/supplements-saga-bombers-must-change-a-bad-game-plan-20140920-10jshw.html#ixzz3E07LW0i8
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Whats their Plan B?
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I nearly had a heart attack when I read that Julia Gillard was back in govt. what the stuff?
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I nearly had a heart attack when I read that Julia Gillard was back in govt. what the stuff?
Second worst PM of recent times
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Essendon captain Jobe Watson says the Bombers' unsuccessful court case against the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority was "inconsequential" to the players facing possible suspensions.
Despite the threat of suspensions hanging over their heads once more, Watson said the court case changed nothing from the players' perspective.
"Obviously it didn't work out they way the club wanted it to. The players were very much separate from that," the 2012 Brownlow medallist said on Monday.
"It was disappointing from the club's perspective, but the players were never really party to that at all, it was totally the club's decision to go ahead with that and unfortunately for them it didn't work out.
"Nothing's changed from the players' perspective. The court case was inconsequential to the players and their situation."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-22/nothings-changed-jobe
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I really thought Jobe was smarter than that :facepalm :stupid
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Essendon players reject talk of deal with ASADA, demand doping evidence
Michael Warner
Herald-Sun
September 22, 2014 5:38PM
ESSENDON players have repeated their demand for ASADA to show them the evidence it has to back up doping allegations.
The players said today they had not moved to take any deal with the anti-doping body that could result in reduced suspensions in exchange for admissions of illegal drug use.
Thirty-four current and former Essendon players have been issued show-cause notices alleging the use of banned peptide Thymosin Beta 4 as part of the Bombers’ 2012 supplement program.
At least 20 of the players are still at Essendon, including ruckman Paddy Ryder who has told the club he wants to be traded.
The AFL Players Association indicated today it would not block Essendon or James Hird from appealing Friday’s Federal Court verdict.
“The AFL Players’ Association can confirm that the players’ legal team has now spoken to the majority of the 34 players who have been issued with show cause notices, and will seek to speak to the remainder of the players in coming days,” AFLPA CEO Paul Marsh said.
“Contrary to media reports and speculation, the players remain steadfast in their position that they are not looking to resolve this matter through a ‘deal’ with ASADA.
“Players continue to take the view that they have done nothing wrong and despite numerous requests, players have not been provided with any evidence to suggest otherwise.
“This matter has already severely disrupted two AFL seasons and taken an enormous toll on the players involved.
“As such, the players want this matter to proceed as soon as possible. For this to happen ASADA needs to provide the evidence it has and we call on them to do so urgently.
“There has been speculation that Essendon Football Club or James Hird will seek to appeal the decision made by Justice Middleton. That is a matter for them.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-reject-talk-of-deal-with-asada-demand-doping-evidence/story-fndv8gad-1227066821684
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Be careful what you wish for or demand, you might not like what you see/hear ;D
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I really thought Jobe was smarter than that :facepalm :stupid
Yeh the same, are they part of a cult.
If they are this stupid then I hope they all get whacked into 2016. :thumbsup
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Be careful what you wish for or demand, you might not like what you see/hear ;D
Correct me if m wrong anyone, but my understanding of the cronulla situation is that they indeed said 'bring the evidence on' and then shortly afterwards had to repent from their muddy jock straps
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Be careful what you wish for or demand, you might not like what you see/hear ;D
Correct me if m wrong anyone, but my understanding of the cronulla situation is that they indeed said 'bring the evidence on' and then shortly afterwards had to repent from their muddy jock straps
Correct
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Bents, you've been told so many times
Paste in articles from new services and you must include an appropriate link or it gets removed
:banghead :banghead
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Be careful what you wish for or demand, you might not like what you see/hear ;D
Correct me if m wrong anyone, but my understanding of the cronulla situation is that they indeed said 'bring the evidence on' and then shortly afterwards had to repent from their muddy jock straps
Correct
so they were shown the evidence WP? i dont remember reading that
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Be careful what you wish for or demand, you might not like what you see/hear ;D
Correct me if m wrong anyone, but my understanding of the cronulla situation is that they indeed said 'bring the evidence on' and then shortly afterwards had to repent from their muddy jock straps
Correct
so they were shown the evidence WP? i dont remember reading that
That's what they were saying on SEN while I was driving home this arvo.
They said that when the Cronulla players sat down with ASADA had it explained to them what evidence they had they all rolled over very quickly
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Be careful what you wish for or demand, you might not like what you see/hear ;D
Correct me if m wrong anyone, but my understanding of the cronulla situation is that they indeed said 'bring the evidence on' and then shortly afterwards had to repent from their muddy jock straps
Correct
so they were shown the evidence WP? i dont remember reading that
That's what they were saying on SEN while I was driving home this arvo.
They said that when the Cronulla players sat down with ASADA had it explained to them what evidence they had they all rolled over very quickly
Incredible
Yet they still want to drag this on. :banghead :banghead
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PR
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Players are going to get to see ASADA's evidence
ASADA to present evidence to Essendon players after requests from AFL Players Association
MICHAEL WARNER AND GRANT BAKER
HERALD SUN SEPTEMBER 22, 2014 9:00PM SHARE
EVIDENCE surrounding the use of the banned drug Thymosin beta-4 at Essendon in 2012 will be presented to the 34 former and current Bombers players facing doping charges.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority will agree to present the players with parts of its case against them after repeated requests from the AFL Players’ Association.
But no action from the anti-doping body will be taken until Essendon and James Hird make a call this week on whether to appeal Friday’s Federal Court verdict.
“Players continue to take the view that they have done nothing wrong and, despite numerous requests, players have not been provided with any evidence to suggest otherwise,” AFLPA chief executive Paul Marsh said.
Full article
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/asada-to-present-evidence-to-essendon-players-after-requests-from-afl-players-association/story-fni5f6kv-1227066821684
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Essendon captain Jobe Watson says the Bombers' unsuccessful court case against the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority was "inconsequential" to the players facing possible suspensions.
Despite the threat of suspensions hanging over their heads once more, Watson said the court case changed nothing from the players' perspective.
"Obviously it didn't work out they way the club wanted it to. The players were very much separate from that," the 2012 Brownlow medallist said on Monday.
"It was disappointing from the club's perspective, but the players were never really party to that at all, it was totally the club's decision to go ahead with that and unfortunately for them it didn't work out.
"Nothing's changed from the players' perspective. The court case was inconsequential to the players and their situation."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-22/nothings-changed-jobe
:facepalm
I really thought Jobe was smarter than that :facepalm :stupid
Well we now know why Jobe said this. Daddy on Ch 7 now regurgitating the same view and continuing to push the Essendon "we haven't seen any evidence and nothing has been proven" line ::).
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Why does the science of Steven dank interview keep getting deleted
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Why does the science of Steven dank interview keep getting deleted
Did you post a link?
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Why does the science of Steven dank interview keep getting deleted
Because you refuse to post the appropriate link
You've been told how many times? And you continue to refuse to follow a very basic rule. You've also been told countless times, no link and it gets removed
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Why does the science of Steven dank interview keep getting deleted
Did you post a link?
Bingo
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tim-watson-accuses-essendon-rivals-of-hypocrisy-over-supplements-saga-20140923-10kutq.html
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Stephen Dank spoke with @barrettdamian today. #FootyClassified
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByN7azzIQAAjIx0.png:large)
https://twitter.com/FootyClassified
Caro's response: "Stephen Dank is the least credible person I've ever dealt with in sport. I don't know why we are giving him any airtime" :thumbsup :clapping
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Lmao Dank is an epic troll. Of he had the evidence and gave a stuff he would have produced it already. Has had plenty of invitations.
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Caro's response: "Stephen Dank is the least credible person I've ever dealt with in sport. I don't know why we are giving him any airtime" :thumbsup :clapping
:bow :bow
Nailed it Caro
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ASADA to provide evidence to Essendon players
Jon Pierik
The Age
September 25, 2014
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has revealed it will provide a "comprehensive summary" of evidence against the 34 Essendon players issued with show-cause notices, and has suggested it is open to a deal with players prepared to come forward.
The anti-doping body explained to Fairfax Media on Wednesday night how the next stage of the process against the Essendon players would unfold, now that the Bombers and coach James Hird have lost their Federal Court case attempting to prove the investigation into the club's 2012 supplements program was unlawful.
An ASADA spokesperson said the show-cause process was on hold while the Bombers and Hird debated whether to appeal the Federal Court decision. The two parties had 21 days from last Friday – when Justice John Middleton made his ruling – to make a call. The Bombers board met on Wednesday, with the appeal understood to be a key point of discussion.
"The show-cause notice process for the 34 former and current Essendon Football Club players will remain on hold while the Federal Court appeal period is in place," the ASADA spokesperson said.
"What we do next will be determined once the appeal period expires or an appeal is lodged."
The spokesperson said once that decision was resolved, ASADA chief Ben McDevitt would become involved.
"In the event the appeal period expires and no appeal is lodged, it is the intention of ASADA CEO Ben McDevitt to provide the players with amended show-cause notices," the spokesperson said.
"The amended notices will set a new date for the lodgment of submissions and include a comprehensive summary of the evidence in support of the case against the players."
The players were initially given show-cause notices in June but these did not include a summary of evidence. The notices were put on hold when the Bombers and Hird lodged their court case.
The AFL Players Association and its lawyers have repeatedly asked for the anti-doping body to provide the evidence it has alleging the players were given the banned peptide, thymosin beta-4, during the sports science program run by Stephen Dank.
The players would then have up to a fortnight to respond and show they should not be added to the Register of Findings.
The Anti-Doping Review Violation Panel, a body independent of ASADA, then assesses a brief of evidence and the responses of the players. If a player is added to the Register of Findings, this the first step towards infraction notices being administered by the AFL.
The players face suspensions of up to two years but have maintained they are not interested in a deal.
However, ASADA has suggested it is open to a deal with any player prepared to come forward. "We are open to that prospect as we are with any athlete facing a possible doping violation," the spokesperson said.
Should players change their mind, one possible deal is that they do not admit to guilt, having been duped into being given a banned substance, and are handed a six-month sentence, meaning they would miss few matches.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-to-provide-evidence-to-essendon-players-20140924-10ll6v.html
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asada should ONLY offer deals to players who
Sign with a new club.
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Essendon players facing doping charges expected to head to AFL Tribunal to beat notices
Grant Baker
Herald-Sun
September 26, 2014
THE 34 current and former Essendon players facing anti-doping charges will head straight to an AFL tribunal if they can’t knock show-cause notices on the head.
The decision to sidestep initial challenges to Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority action at the Administrative Appeals Tribunal and Federal Court means the end of the long-running saga is in sight — provided Essendon and James Hird elect not to appeal their own failed Federal Court challenge.
ASADA on Wednesday promised to issue new show cause notices — along with briefs of evidence — to players as soon as Essendon and Hird’s 21-day Federal Court appeal window expires on October 10.
Players’ representatives remain hopeful that their response to those notices will put an end to ASADA’s pursuit, but are otherwise ready to have a tribunal hearing.
The Herald Sun understands the players’ desire to have matters resolved as soon as possible means the AAT and Federal Court route — where players can test whether there is sufficient evidence for a possible anti-doping rule breach to have occurred — has been ruled out.
That will expedite matters by a year or more.
There have been suggestions that the players’ cases could go straight to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
But it is the AFL’s intention to stick to the letter of its anti-doping code and have any cases heard by the league’s independent anti-doping tribunal.
The players would then have two appeal steps open to them, at an AFL appeals hearing and ultimately at the CAS.
A decision by Hird or Essendon to appeal Justice Middleton’s ruling that ASADA’s joint probe with the AFL into the club was lawful would delay any hearing of the players’ cases.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-facing-doping-charges-expected-to-head-to-afl-tribunal-to-beat-notices/story-fndv8gad-1227070800246
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According to Barrett just now:
Stewart Crameri, who's now at the Bulldogs of course, is considering to be the first of the 34 players to break ranks and accept a deal from ASADA. Barrett said he won't be the only one as there's definitely a split developing in the playing group. What happens with Paddy Ryder will also matter as the club, that he eventually will go to, will want assurances about how many games he will miss if there's sanctions/suspensions.
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James Hird should quit as Essendon coach in the wake of the club’s supplements scandal, Leigh Matthews says.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/leigh-matthews-urges-essendon-and-james-hird-to-part-ways-in-wake-of-supplements-scandal/story-fndv8gad-1227072999809
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if in the event the players are let off by an AFL Tribunal WADA will rock up and take to the Court of Sports Arbitration and the players could be in a lot of trouble if they lose at that stage.
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Hopefully this is the path taken and the afl exposed as the money hungry dodgy pricks they are
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Player manager Paul Connors: 'Some Essendon players will be taking Deals shortly and will only be a 1-2 month ban in the offseason.'
https://www.facebook.com/TheZanottiFiles?fref=nf
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Essendon will spurn the opportunity to appeal the verdict in the Federal Court case that found in favour of ASADA and allowed it to proceed with show cause notices for 34 current and former players.
The club's imminent decision not to appeal Justice John Middleton's verdict - which dismissed the applications by both Essendon and coach James Hird on September 19 - is despite receiving legal advice that it would win an appeal. It is unclear whether Hird will follow Essendon's lead or launch his own appeal.
Sources said Hird had been in favour of an appeal - which his legal team also argued that it would win - and that the club's stance was about far more than the pure legal position. It has been made plain to Essendon that the AFL did not want it to appeal the verdict, in which Essendon not only lost but had costs awarded against it.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-opts-against-appealing-federal-court-verdict-20141001-10op2e.html#ixzz3Es6aNPZG
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is despite receiving legal advice that it would win an appeal. It is unclear whether Hird will follow Essendon's lead or launch his own appeal.
I'm sure they believed that like they believed the first case would win. Only they share that view :wallywink
Their arrogance continues
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No, he's not "appealing" but he is "appealing " lol
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-set-to-appeal-federal-court-ruling-while-essendon-backs-out/story-fni5f6kv-1227076746213
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WADA today said they would sign off on the cronulla deal, but were not that happy with it.
i suspect they may be a tad annoyed with essendon and may not be so compliant with any deal struck
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James Hird faces sack if he challenges Federal Court, banned from Essendon best-and-fairest ceremony
18 minutes ago October 01, 2014 6:25PM
ESSENDON coach James Hird faces the sack if he opts to go against club orders and appeal a Federal Court ruling on the Bombers’ drugs saga.
Hird has been told not to attend tonight’s club best-and-fairest ceremony at Crown Cas-ino.
It comes after the Herald Sun revealed he plans to lodge appeal documents as early as Thursday with the Federal Court.
The Bombers board could meet Thursday for crisis talks.
The Bombers have opted not to appeal this month’s ruling by Justice John Middleton, but the Herald Sun believes Hird is set to go it alone.
Hird has the right to appeal but the move could put him at odds with the club as it faces the loss of senior assistant coach Mark Thompson to the Gold Coast.
Despite strong legal advice, Essendon has decided not to appeal its case against ASADA to the full Federal Court.
Hird has been seriously considering his own options for the last 48 hours.
Lawyers for Essendon and Hird believe they have overwhelming grounds for appeal, but the club’s board has determined it wants to end the 20-month drugs saga as quickly as possible.
It’s understood the AFL is supportive of Essendon’s decision to end its litigation.
It is the second time the Bombers board has given up its fight against the AFL and ASADA.
Last August, they accepted a deal and were found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute.
They then challenged the legality of the joint AFL-ASADA investigation in the Federal Court.
Essendon will hold its best and fairest night at Crown ca-sino tonight where Hird and Thompson are expected to appear.
Show cause notices against 34 former and current Essendon players would likely remain on ice if the Hird camp go to appeal.
Essendon and Hird’s case against ASADA was comprehensively thrown out by Justice Middleton on September 19.
An expedited appeal could be heard by the end of October or early November.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-faces-sack-if-he-challenges-federal-court-banned-from-essendon-bestandfairest-ceremony/story-fndv8gad-1227076746213
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol stuffing lol
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Slowly edging closer to the ultimate perfect result
:clapping
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what do people deem to be an adequate result?
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Tasmania fc
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Tasmania fc
:clapping :cheers
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Essendon crisis: Leadership group tried to stop James Hird appealing verdict
Jake Niall
The Age
October 1, 2014 - 7:25PM
Members of Essendon's leadership group tried to persuade James Hird not to go through with his plan to appeal the verdict, after the club briefed the leadership group on the crisis on Wednesday.
The club intends to offer the coaching position to Mark Thompson in the event that Hird is sacked. It is understood that Thompson met skipper Jobe Watson on Wednesday and indicated that he would not stay at Essendon next year - unless he was senior coach.
Essendon is well aware that Thompson is interested in coaching the Gold Coast Suns, following the sacking of Guy McKenna. As of Wednesday evening, it was unclear how the club would deal with the uncertainty surrounding Thompson, who had been offered a role in the football department and indicated he would like to stay but did not sign on.
Essendon's players, on the whole, do not want the club to appeal the Federal Court decision - putting them at odds with Hird, who maintains that the process of the ASADA investigation was unlawful and a denial of natural justice.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-crisis-leadership-group-tried-to-stop-james-hird-appealing-verdict-20141001-10ovw8.html
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Members of Essendon's leadership group tried to persuade James Hird not to go through with his plan to appeal the verdict, after the club briefed the leadership group on the crisis on Wednesday.
The club intends to offer the coaching position to Mark Thompson in the event that Hird is sacked. It is understood that Thompson met skipper Jobe Watson on Wednesday and indicated that he would not stay at Essendon next year - unless he was senior coach.
Essendon is well aware that Thompson is interested in coaching the Gold Coast Suns, following the sacking of Guy McKenna. As of Wednesday evening, it was unclear how the club would deal with the uncertainty surrounding Thompson, who had been offered a role in the football department and indicated he would like to stay but did not sign on.
Essendon's players, on the whole, do not want the club to appeal the Federal Court decision - putting them at odds with Hird, who maintains that the process of the ASADA investigation was unlawful and a denial of natural justice.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-crisis-leadership-group-tried-to-stop-james-hird-appealing-verdict-20141001-10ovw8.html#ixzz3Et1E0gaE
:'( :'( :'(
why dont you develop a sit down protest jobe?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-captain-jobe-watson-pushed-for-revolt-on-subs/story-e6frf9jf-1226030375063
give cotchin the medal you filthy drug cheat
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you only got in faster cause i was adding the crying faces
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Just gets better and better
The best punishment in this is the overwhelming self inflicted damage James Hird is doing to his reputation
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Just gets better and better
The best punishment in this is the overwhelming self inflicted damage James Hird is doing to his reputation
And getting sacked :clapping
what do people deem to be an adequate result?
Personally, Hird getting sacked is the non-negotiable for me
Expect the players to take deals with ASADA
Not for one minute condoning what happened but I don't think they deliberately set out to take banned substances. But they most likely did and for that they should be punished
But IMV their greatest crime outside of being incredibly stupid & naďve was the fact they trusted their coach and the entire footy dept and those people let them down in a horrible way.
The added bonus of course is watching a club implode they way this mob is.... :clapping
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But IMV their greatest crime outside of being incredibly stupid & naďve was the fact they trusted their coach and the entire footy dept and those people let them down in a horrible way.
are not these the exact people that every footballer puts their trust in at a football club?
is not every draftee told to not take any substance without the appropriate staffs approval? The people that are paid to ensure everything stays above board?
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But IMV their greatest crime outside of being incredibly stupid & naďve was the fact they trusted their coach and the entire footy dept and those people let them down in a horrible way.
are not these the exact people that every footballer puts their trust in at a football club?
is not every draftee told to not take any substance without the appropriate staffs approval? The people that are paid to ensure everything stays above board?
Yep and that's part of the issue here I reckon
Players were told they were being given one thing but it appears that they could have been given something completely different
I feel for the 1st & 2nd year players they would have just done what Jim told them because they were in awe of him, his reputation etc. That's what I mean by naďve & stupid. Have less for the senior blokes because they should have known better. The fact that not one of them questioned any of this still staggers me
Also, the other thing for mine is the Doctor (who I defended in the past but wont now) he approached people with his concerns and then it appears he didn't do any follow up... terrible
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I'm just shocked to be sitting here
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Another great article from Caro :clapping
Her series of articles about Essendon have been quality journalism. Miles in front of the rubbish that Blobbo has written.
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Riddle me this.
How do you extend a contract and then despite the bloke barely having worked since sack him?
You can't sack a bloke for pursuing his legal rights in a private matter, even if you don't want him to.
The icing on the cake here could be Hird suing the bejesus out of Essendon.
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isn't the court case about stopping the show cause notices to the players, which james then claims will hurt his reputation (LMAO, poor deluded fool, thats already floating down at werribee)? so does that really constitute his legal rights? if he drags it out too long he could be responsible for the players suspensions being served during the season rather that the season proper, which would mean he is damaging the club? grounds for dismisal?
you raise interesting points, but it only muddies already murky waters
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Just copped some abuse on twitter for simply suggesting that a club is bigger than one individual
Didn't go down too well
Some delusional souls them Bumbling bombers fans ;D
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Caro's article ....
James Hird facing the axe at Thursday board meeting
Caroline Wilson
The Age
October 1, 2014 - 9:03PM
James Hird's decision to defy his club and potentially prolong his players' anti-doping battle in appealing last month's Federal Court decision looks to have ended his coaching career at Essendon.
Bombers chairman Paul Little is understood to have lost patience with his recalcitrant coach and was scheduled to hold an emergency board meeting via phone hook-up early on Thursday to rule on Hird's decision to act against the advice of his club.
Little and his chief executive Xavier Campbell are understood to have repeatedly urged the coach to abandon his legal battle but on Wednesday night Hird had refused insisting he was acting upon a matter of principle. Until this week Hird had claimed his legal action was in the interests of his players.
Hird told Channel Seven on Wednesday that he hoped to remain as coach. But on Wednesday night he remained defiant.
CEO Campbell could not guarantee Hird's future adding that the board would make a ruling later in the week.
The club held lengthy crisis talks with the coach at Little's South Yarra office on Wednesday reportedly involving senior players Jobe Watson, Brendon Goddard and Heath Hocking. Hird stood firm on his decision to go it alone without the support of the club.
Should Essendon sack Hird it will look at his contractual rights. With the club facing a $1.25 million pay out to the coach and club legend the view even before this latest fall-out was that Hird could have breached his contract should the players receive doping bans or even receive infraction notices.
And Hird's removal would see the club act quickly to appoint caretaker Mark Thompson as coach. Thompson has told the club he would not remain in an assistant's role and on Tuesday his manager Michael Quinlan approached the Gold Coast Suns expressing Thompson's interest in the senior coaching role. Thompson had discussed the Suns job with his former colleague and one-time Suns assistant Ken Hinkley.
The Suns had sacked Guy McKenna on Tuesday and made that decision public the following day but has stressed it would not immediately appoint Thompson without a thorough interview process. There has also been strong speculation this week that Bulldogs coach Brendan McCartney, although contracted, is also under pressure to retain his position. But Hird's decision to lodge an appeal — that move was expected to happen on Thursday — appears to have been the final straw for Little.
The club was also furious that Hird's decision came on the day of its Crichton Medal Count which Hird had planned to attend before the club instructed him to stay away.
Little's address to the best and fairest audience included an explanation that the Bombers would not appeal the Middleton decision despite strong legal advice it would succeed.
Little explained the club was acting purely in the interests of its players and their families.
"Our priority throughout this process has always been our players," he said. "As a result, the board has decided not to pursue an appeal against the Federal Court judgment. "We are of the strong belief that if there is no appeal, the show cause process will recommence immediately and both ASADA and the AFL will undertake to move with as much expedition as possible. It is now time to accept the Federal Court's decision and move on."
Fairfax Media understands the club had approached the AFL and the players' association in a bid to ensure that the players' battle to clear their names would proceed despite Hird's decision.
Normal procedure would dictate that an appeal against the legality of the ASADA investigation by Hird would hold up the re-delivery of show cause notices to the players.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-facing-the-axe-at-thursday-board-meeting-20141001-10ot99.html
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Hird proving once again that he is nothing but a narcissist. It's all about him and screw everyone else ::).
If Hird is sacked today then a certain ex-Tiger will have a smile on his face ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By2Os6-CUAA1R6F.jpg)
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/517226436382306304/photo/1
The Karma bus has arrived for Hird :yep.
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Blobbo should stand down too if he keeps writing this crap. He's now turned on Essendon and is still loving Hird. Why is this? Why defend him to the hilt under the circumstances? Odd.
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/essendon-is-a-great-club-splitting-at-the-seams-over-drugs-saga/story-fni0fiyv-1227077161342
part of the article:-
While the Bombers have once again given up the fight — feeling it’s practical to end the devastating saga — Hird is a different beast.
He is charging on for himself, his family, the players and the club, knowing that he’s probably sacrificing his career.
Certainly, he is defiant.
Clearly, be believes that principle is more important than coaching.
Even the Hird haters would admit he has mettle.
And what happens if he wins the appeal, and the “show cause” notices disappear?
The Bombers would be slapping themselves on the back, and the bloke who didn’t blink would have lost his job — for saving the club.
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Robbo
Jobe
Tim
Finely
Whole host of wankers should resign
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ames Hird's statement on appealing the Federal Court verdict
afl.com.au
October 2, 2014 10:37 AM
"I HAVE today lodged an appeal with the Federal Court against the decision of Justice Middleton in Hird v ASADA. I have been advised and believe that there are strong reasons why that decision is incorrect and that this is the proper and appropriate course to vindicate the legal rights of the EFC and its players.
"The challenge to the lawfulness of the joint investigation was and is an important step in showing that the Essendon Football Club, its players and staff were submitted to a compromised investigation and were treated unfairly. If we don’t appeal our players may be stained forever by the innuendo, misconceptions and falsities that resulted from an investigation that we believe was conducted unlawfully.
"It is important that an investigation based on unlawfully gathered information never occurs again to any person, sporting club or organisation.
"ASADA plays an extremely important role in the fight against drugs in sport and must work within the Act under which it operates.
"Throughout my playing career I vehemently opposed the use of performance enhancing drugs in sport. My stance as a coach has been and is exactly the same.
"At no time in the 2012 season did I believe any Essendon player was exposed to any supplement or drug that fell outside the WADA, ASADA or AFL code. Two years since the end of that season I still do not believe any Essendon player took anything illegal. No one has shown me any evidence that would lead me to believe differently.
"I am extremely sorry for the pain this saga has caused the players of the Essendon Football Club, their families, the Essendon Football Club staff, the Essendon Football Club supporters and the football industry as a whole.
"I am requesting expedition of this appeal and will not ask for a stay of the notices. The players and ASADA will be able to continue with the show cause process whilst a full court deals with the legality of the investigation.
"I have not taken this decision lightly. I believe this is the right course or action and is in the best interests of the Essendon Football Club, its players, the supporters and the game.
"The short term simple approach would be to acquiesce and plead guilty to ASADA even though the players, the club and myself do not believe we have breached the rules. It would be a lie as would pleading out of the proceedings when I, my lawyers and the Essendon Football Club lawyers firmly believe that the investigation was conducted unlawfully and an appeal will be successful."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-02/statement-from-james-hird
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Hird has turned up today to Essendon's new Tullamarine base like it's just another day at the office. He told the media he expects to still be coach at the end of the day.
Watson said Hird believes him appealing is the best thing for the EFC and the players [even though the club and players told him not to, Timmy ::) ].
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i love this guy :clapping
Three million + expenses + France
To not coach
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Caro, on 3aw now, just said she expects the announcement that Hird has been sacked will be made later this afternoon.
:thumbsup
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James Hird removed as Essendon coach.
Caroline Wilson
The Age
October 2, 2014
James Hird has been removed as coach of Essendon. The first stage of his removal took place on Wednesday when the outgoing club legend was given the opportunity
to resign with a nominal payout or be sacked.
Bombers chairman Paul Little is believed to have met Hird in one of his South Yarra offices shortly before Wednesday night's Crichton Medal count and given him a document outlining the first stage of his departure.
Mark Thompson, who filled in as senior coach after Hird's 12-month suspension, looks certain to be appointed to the top job within days.
In a separate but related development, the club is expected to settle its long-running legal dispute with former high performance boss Dean Robinson in a deal expected to cost the Bombers $800,000.
The removal of Hird and the closure of the Robinson case come after AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick told Little last week to bring an end to the costly and messy fall-out from the Essendon drugs program of 2011 and 2012 which still sees 34 players involved at the time facing anti-doping bans.
Wealthy and influential Essendon supporters have been urging Little to act on Hird with the view that even a costly payout of up to $1.25 million would be preferable to the ongoing damage to Essendon's image and the erosion of its culture.
Should a legal battle go ahead with Hird, the club has engaged its queens' counsel Neil Young to represent it. The Bombers remain determined to avoid a wrongful dismissal action from the Hirds.
The final straw for the club came when Hird refused to back down from his determination to lodge an appeal against the Federal Court decision handed down last month.
Even the urging of senior players, led by Brendon Goddard and Dyson Heppell, would not sway the coach whom the club signed last year to a two-year deal ending in 2016.
Hird, who lodged his appeal early on Thursday, said he was acting on a matter of principle. Previously he had insisted his only motivation was to clear the names of his players.
Support for Hird had already been irreparably eroded well before his decision to act alone and against the wishes of his club.
The grand final week players' function saw former Essendon footballers virtually united that Hird must go.
Thompson was given a hero's welcome at the best and fairest count and has told the club he would only stay if appointed senior coach.
Hird, a five-time best and fairest winner, was ordered to stay away from the function and his name was not mentioned in any public forum on the night.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-removed-as-essendon-coach-20141002-10p3bn.html#ixzz3EwuTSppj
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Herald SUn reporting he hasn't been sacked. #standbyhird
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Meanwhile Jimmy say his sorry for putting everyone through this
See
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-02/statement-from-james-hird
Yep and I'm Santa
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Yep and I'm Santa
Cool. I've been looking for you for a long time and you have a seriously long backlog of items that needs redressing.
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:lol
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Yep and I'm Santa
Cool. I've been looking for you for a long time and you have a seriously long backlog of items that needs redressing.
:lol Good one smokey. :lol Are you happy to front a class action for the rest of us? ;D
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Little: "James Hird is the current coach of the Essendon Football Club"
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JAMES Hird remains as Essendon coach - at least for the meantime - after chairman Paul Little said on Thursday there was "nothing to anounce" despite speculation that Hird had been removed from his post.
Little told media at the club's Tullamarine headquarters, "There has been a lot of speculation over the last 24 hours. There is nothing to announce."
He said the club's board would meet over the weekend or early next week to develop a strategy to deal with Hird's decision to launch an appeal in the Federal Court.
It was, Little said, "a strategy to determine a lot of things, but in particular James's decision to appeal the Federal Court case.
"I think the Essendon fans would rather have deliberation around this in a meaningful way rather than a knee-jerk reaction.
Little said the club would have preferred Hird not to pursue his legal action.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-02/hird-on-knife-edge
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James Hird removed as Essendon coach.
Caroline Wilson
The Age
October 2, 2014
James Hird has been removed as coach of Essendon. The first stage of his removal took place on Wednesday when the outgoing club legend was given the opportunity
to resign with a nominal payout or be sacked.
Bombers chairman Paul Little is believed to have met Hird in one of his South Yarra offices shortly before Wednesday night's Crichton Medal count and given him a document outlining the first stage of his departure.
Mark Thompson, who filled in as senior coach after Hird's 12-month suspension, looks certain to be appointed to the top job within days.
In a separate but related development, the club is expected to settle its long-running legal dispute with former high performance boss Dean Robinson in a deal expected to cost the Bombers $800,000.
The removal of Hird and the closure of the Robinson case come after AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick told Little last week to bring an end to the costly and messy fall-out from the Essendon drugs program of 2011 and 2012 which still sees 34 players involved at the time facing anti-doping bans.
Wealthy and influential Essendon supporters have been urging Little to act on Hird with the view that even a costly payout of up to $1.25 million would be preferable to the ongoing damage to Essendon's image and the erosion of its culture.
Should a legal battle go ahead with Hird, the club has engaged its queens' counsel Neil Young to represent it. The Bombers remain determined to avoid a wrongful dismissal action from the Hirds.
The final straw for the club came when Hird refused to back down from his determination to lodge an appeal against the Federal Court decision handed down last month.
Even the urging of senior players, led by Brendon Goddard and Dyson Heppell, would not sway the coach whom the club signed last year to a two-year deal ending in 2016.
Hird, who lodged his appeal early on Thursday, said he was acting on a matter of principle. Previously he had insisted his only motivation was to clear the names of his players.
Support for Hird had already been irreparably eroded well before his decision to act alone and against the wishes of his club.
The grand final week players' function saw former Essendon footballers virtually united that Hird must go.
Thompson was given a hero's welcome at the best and fairest count and has told the club he would only stay if appointed senior coach.
Hird, a five-time best and fairest winner, was ordered to stay away from the function and his name was not mentioned in any public forum on the night.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-removed-as-essendon-coach-20141002-10p3bn.html#ixzz3EwuTSppj
Weapon would be happy :clapping
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Tony Abbott ways in on Hird/Essendon [abc radio]
has a go at ASADA
wanker
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Little and the Essendon board weak cowards as usual when it comes to dealing with Hird. Nah we can't sack the cult leader ::).
Little and the board should be going as well by the way. What a inept and incompetent shambles they are. First they extended Hird's contract by 2 years in the middle of the ASADA investigation while he was suspended over his role in the saga; then they continue to pay Hird's million dollar salary as coach to do nothing at Essendon while he's overseas studying; then they throw good money after bad on chasing conspiracy theory shadows in the courts; and now they are too scared to stand up to and sack Hird which will force another payout up in the millions. Fun times at Bumbleland :stupid.
ps. Titus O'Reilly's take on Hird's statement
http://titusoreily.com/sort-james-hirds-statement/
:rollin :lol
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good, the longer they drag their feet, the more chance that bomber will go to the GC and then they'll eventually sack tird leaving them standing there with cock in hand
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At least today exposed Caro as a liar.
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Yep and I'm Santa
Cool. I've been looking for you for a long time and you have a seriously long backlog of items that needs redressing.
:lol Good one smokey. :lol Are you happy to front a class action for the rest of us? ;D
Sure am Tiga. Already got our legal team sorted - just have to wait until they are finished with Hird's minor matter. I chose them because of their obvious superior skills in putting a convincing argument when there is nothing to base said argument on. Old Wanta Plaws had better look out - Whatever It Takes!!
;D
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Yep and I'm Santa
Cool. I've been looking for you for a long time and you have a seriously long backlog of items that needs redressing.
:lol Good one smokey. :lol Are you happy to front a class action for the rest of us? ;D
We go to court and I will appeal; have a really good lawyer her name's Tanya
And if that doesn't work then I will cancel Xmas forever and blame everyone else but me
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Hutchy (admitting he doesn't know anything and just surmising) and Barrett reckon Hird may have threatened Essendon with a unfair dismissal claim if the Board sacked him over his decision to appeal the Federal Court decision. Both said you can't sack someone for pursuing their legal rights especially when the Club shared Hird's beliefs and went to court with them before and during the Federal Court hearing.
Caro said Hird was told he was gone yesterday. Something changed today when Hird met Little and the Board and she believes Hird asked for time to consider things and Essendon wanted time to work through legalities. Such a decision needs a full meeting of the EFC Board (in person rather than phone link which occurred today)and they'll meet on Monday. Essendon want Hird to resign and if he doesn't then they'll sack him. Caro expects a decision on Monday if not earlier than that. She stands by he story that Hird won't be coach.
In other news, Barrett said Stephen Dank is planning next month to launch legal action against ASADA, AFL, Essendon and head people at Essendon. It's going to hit like a "tsunami" in a month's time.
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:sleep
Boring ban the players
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Yep and I'm Santa
Cool. I've been looking for you for a long time and you have a seriously long backlog of items that needs redressing.
:lol Good one smokey. :lol Are you happy to front a class action for the rest of us? ;D
We go to court and I will appeal; have a really good lawyer her name's Tanya
And if that doesn't work then I will cancel Xmas forever and blame everyone else but me
Be very afraid Santa WP ;D...I hear Smokey has also contracted the services of Johnnie Cochran who is going to bring out his famed "Chewbacca defence". If you don't know what that is, here is the link to get you really scared https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwdba9C2G14
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What I cant understand here ,is if Essendon were so eager to have their day in court and give their view on events ,why did they apparently settle out of court with the weapon,and thus prevent a court case
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Cause they fact they are drug cheats - would not be possible to hide
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Has anyone read the article in the Herald sun today(I read it online) where its alleged their CEO took a peptide in 2012....I find this deeply disturbing
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Has anyone read the article in the Herald sun today(I read it online) where its alleged their CEO took a peptide in 2012....I find this deeply disturbing
how so? Why should anything this club do be a surprise to anyone.
They will forever be known as the biggest cheats the game has ever seen.
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Has anyone read the article in the Herald sun today(I read it online) where its alleged their CEO took a peptide in 2012....I find this deeply disturbing
Why?
CEO's don't fall under any code.
They can snort cocaine of their desks if they like.
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Well if true ,is this the standard we want from our community leaders?......He s the head of a major sporting body one that participates in countless community programs.
If our society accepts this sort of behaviour then so be it,but then don't come crying about what is happening amongst our youth
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Not trying to be a smart arse here but do you know what a peptide is?
If you have ever drank milk you've had plenty.
The one talked about here is primarily a trial drug for the prevention of skin cancer and to assist fair skinned people with some of the health risks from that.
It's astupid thing to take any drug without professional advice and especially a trial drug but it's hardly taking ice of a hooker's breasts.
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Has anyone read the article in the Herald sun today(I read it online) where its alleged their CEO took a peptide in 2012....I find this deeply disturbing
Back page of today's HUN
FWIW he wasn't CEO at the time of the Supplement scandal
The CEO of the day left last year, just one of a couple that were made scapegoats
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Big Richo again I say..if these are the standards that modern society find acceptable then so be it...but then society shouldnt come crying when its youth is struggling with these issues
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Little’s boy lost and it’s going to cost as doping bill may top $8m
Herald-Sun
October 05, 2014
A FULL payout of James Hird’s two-year contract would tip Essendon’s doping investigations expenses over the $8 million mark.
Club bosses must now decide whether or not to sack Hird, a move that could cost about $1.5 million.
The cost of defending the club’s experimental 2012 supplements program continues to climb, with another $1 million forked out on Thursday when the club’s former fitness boss Dean Robinson settled a wrongful dismissal claim.
Hird was paid almost $1 million in a lump sum by the club in December to sit out 2014.
A study tour to Europe, agreed as part of his AFL suspension, is also being part-funded by the Bombers.
An $800,000 instalment of last year’s $2 million AFL fine is due on December 31, with a final $800,000 to be paid by the end of 2015. Last month’s Federal Court stoush cost the club about $850,000 in legal costs, including costs to ASADA.
Hird has paid his own expenses and is estimated to have already forked out about $500,000 in legal fees in his fight against ASADA and the AFL. The legal costs for the 34 former and current Essendon players being represented by a team of lawyers engaged by the AFL Players’ Association are also being footed by the club. If some players continue to maintain their innocence, rather than make a deal with ASADA, the saga could drag on for two more years.
Bombers chairman Paul Little — Australia’s 56th richest man with an estimated personal fortune of $880 million — has declared no player will ever admit to guilt, a requirement from ASADA for any discounted penalty.
Little outlined what good financial news there was to the Bombers’ faithful at Wednesday’s best-and-fairest count.
He said revenue had hit a record $64 million in 2014 and the club had reduced its planned debt on its Tullamarine headquarters from $5 million last year to $3.52 million.
Critics say the $8 million would have been better spent on the football department, finishing the Tullamarine facility and clearing debt, though some of the costs will be offset by insurance.
“The club will never be able to move on until it finally confronts the truth of events that have only been the subject of speculation to outsiders,” club member Jackson Taylor said in a notice to spill the board distributed to Essendon supporters last week. “This has always been the source of the club’s weakness, and the board has no one to blame but itself.”
Hird and his lawyers will return to the Federal Court on Thursday, when Justice Susan Kenny will decide whether to expedite his appeal.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/littles-boy-lost-and-its-going-to-cost-as-doping-bill-may-top-8m/story-fndv7pj3-1227080171266
:stupid
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The one talked about here is primarily a trial drug for the prevention of skin cancer and to assist fair skinned people with some of the health risks from that.
Mainly used to get a tan
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Essendon wimp it again from sacking Hird ::).
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"The Board of the Essendon Football Club met today and resolved to retain its existing football structure in the immediate term.
"Chairman Paul Little said there were several complex matters of significance currently in progress, being the Federal Court Appeal by James Hird and the expected re-issuing of show-cause notices by ASADA.
“As such, the Board believes it would be potentially reckless to make any decisions of significance until there is further clarity on these crucial matters.
“The Board recognises the rights of James to pursue his appeal of the recent Federal Court decision. James remains senior coach of the Essendon Football Club and will work closely with other members of the Football Department during this particularly important trade and planning period in preparation for the 2015 season.
“The Board has set no timeframe on further considering these matters, however, will monitor developments as they occur.
“After discussions with key relevant parties, we remain hopeful the ASADA process can be expedited and completed prior to the end of 2014. In the meantime, we will continue to provide all available support to the players and their families.
“The Board understands the uncertainty ongoing media speculation creates for our members and supporters. We recognise there are many different opinions on these matters and reaffirm the Board is committed to acting in the best interests of the Club and its members.
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2014-10-06/club-statement
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James Hird - the gift that keeps on giving! :clapping
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I reckon he's threatening them too.
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I reckon he's threatening them too.
he is most definitely threatening to sue them if they sack him.
this is just great :clapping
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:lol yep. Just let them devour themselves from the inside out.
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I reckon he's threatening them too.
Absolutely, but don't forget Jimmy is doing this for all of us.
All of us
What a guy
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Scared of hirds human rights lawyers.
Soft, wankers.
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0/2 for Caro.
Hard day to be Trevor Grant.
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Scared of hirds human rights lawyers.
Soft, wankers.
Dunno why, they seem pretty confident but I haven't seen them win many cases ;D
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Bombers chairman Paul Little — Australia’s 56th richest man with an estimated personal fortune of $880 million — has declared no player will ever admit to guilt, a requirement from ASADA for any discounted penalty.
Is he speaking on behalf of former players, now residing elsewhere?
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I reckon he's threatening them too.
he is most definitely threatening to sue them if they sack him.
this is just great :clapping
some journo asked hird today if he was confident he would still be coach after the board meeting today to which he replied yes. the journo then asked something about if he was confident the board would not sack him and said "no, i said will still be coach"
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The Age saying the show cause notices to the 34 current and former Essendon players will be reissued by Friday; the Herald-Sun saying as early as Monday.
Essendon show-cause notices could be issued this week
Jon Pierik
The Age
October 7, 2014
The reissuing of infraction notices to the 34 current and former Essendon players could begin as early as Friday.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority said on Monday it would wait until the 21-day period had expired for Essendon and James Hird had to appeal last month's Federal Court ruling before it would reveal its next move. Hird has decided to appeal, while the Bombers have said they won't.
"At this stage, it is ASADA's intention to wait until the 21-day appeal period has expired before we determine what we do next," an ASADA spokesperson said on Monday.
"We are in the process of seeking legal advice in relation to the issuance of amended notices in the light of a Federal Court appeal."
As part of his orders sought through an appeal to the full Federal Court, Hird wants the show-cause notices already issued to the players, and based on evidence from last year's joint investigation by the AFL and ASADA, scrapped. He also wants the impending revised notices, complete with evidence alleging the administering of the banned peptide, Thymosin beta 4, set aside.
ASADA has suggested it is open to a deal with players once the show-cause notices have been reissued.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essenson-showcause-notices-could-be-issued-this-week-20141006-10qz7a.html#ixzz3FMmP1RKF
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Show cause notices to be reissued to 34 Essendon players
Michael Warner
Herald Sun
October 07, 2014
SHOW cause notices will be reissued against 34 former and current Essendon players as early as Monday.
The Herald Sun can reveal representatives of several players have broken ranks in recent days and formally contacted the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority asking for their cases to be fast-tracked.
The amended show cause notices, to be issued by ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt, will include detailed information surrounding the alleged use of the banned peptide Thymosin beta-4 at Essendon during the 2012 season.
Players will have 10 days to respond to ASADA's new show cause notices before the evidence against them is presented to the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel.
The panel is an independent body that decides whether players should be placed on the Register of Findings — the trigger for infraction notices and AFL doping charges.
An AFL doping tribunal ultimately would hear the case and rule on penalties recommended by ASADA, unless players opt to do a deal with the anti-doping body.
The Herald Sun understands ASADA will not entertain penalties for any Essendon player that does not include a suspension for some matches in the 2015 AFL premiership season.
The 34 players are being represented by a legal team established by the AFL Players' Association, but several players have told ASADA through separate channels that they are ready to talk.
Some have written to ASADA requesting the amended show cause notices be issued immediately.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/show-cause-notices-to-be-reissued-to-34-essendon-players-james-hird-remains-coach-for-immediate-term/story-e6frg12c-1227081771680?nk=e30fc69f7c63c2900bb3fc37ec65cab7
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And top off the good news lol ...
With James Hird still coach of Essendon, Bomber Thompson is set to interview for the Gold Coast position according to The Age.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLSeasonAndOffSeasonNews
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Bomber's Chairman Paul Little — Australia’s 56th richest
What the ???
Even he didn't make Mike Shehan's top 50 ?
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efc fans going off tap Queen Caro was wrong and should be sacked yada yada
it is not her fault the leader, decided to threaten to sue the cult
stuffing delusional Muppets
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Caroline Wilson on 3aw:
"James Hird has hijacked two football seasons. Now he's hijacked trade week. Clearly he's bigger than the club."
https://twitter.com/3AWisfootball
:clapping
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Bulldogs forward Stewart Crameri has broken ranks with the “Essendon 34” and hired top criminal lawyer Rob Stary to lead his defence against doping allegations.
Footscray VFL player Brent Prismall, a Bulldogs' player welfare officer, has joined Crameri in seeking independent legal advice from Stary.
Stary stepped up his involvement with Crameri and Prismall after James Hird appealed his legal fight against ASADA to the Full Federal Court last week. "It's gone on for too long — things need to be brought to a head," a source said yesterday "If a decision was made to negotiate an outcome with ASADA they would do it. There are people with different interests in this.
"It's not one size fits all ... but they (Crameri and Prismall) will do nothing to prejudice the other players."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/stewart-crameri-breaks-ranks-from-34-current-past-essendon-players-hires-top-lawyer/story-fndv8gad-1227083019924
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Snowdens lawyer
WP will not be best pleased :-\
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Footscray VFL player Brent Prismall, a Bulldogs' player welfare officer, .
Straight swap for hampson
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Snowdens lawyer
WP will not be best pleased :-\
What are you on about now?
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Snowdens lawyer
WP will not be best pleased :-\
What are you on about now?
You should know better than to ask
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Port Adelaide has urged its star small forward Angus Monfries to break away from the Essendon-funded legal defence as the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority moves towards reissuing show-cause notices to the 34 players facing bans as a result of the Bombers' 2012 supplements program.
With Port Adelaide's lawyers in constant communication with the AFL Players Association's legal team, Port has told Monfries it will foot all his legal bills should he choose to strike a deal with ASADA or fight to clear his name.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/angus-monfries-urged-to-split-from-essendonfunded-legal-defence-20141008-113bfl.html#ixzz3FYQLoBjB
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With Port Adelaide's lawyers in constant communication with the AFL Players Association's legal team, Port has told Monfries it will foot all his legal bills should he choose to strike a deal with ASADA or fight to clear his name.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/angus-monfries-urged-to-split-from-essendonfunded-legal-defence-20141008-113bfl.html#ixzz3FYQLoBjB
That's nice of Port to offer to pay Monfries' legal fees, however if he admits to guilt and takes a plea, then I hope that money is included in Port's salary cap, otherwise it is payment in kind. Other clubs are not allowed to pay legal fees for players when they commit offences, unless they declare it, so I can't see how this is any different.
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That's nice of Port to offer to pay Monfries' legal fees, however if he admits to guilt and takes a plea, then I hope that money is included in Port's salary cap, otherwise it is payment in kind. Other clubs are not allowed to pay legal fees for players when they commit offences, unless they declare it, so I can't see how this is any different.
Agree but IIRC the AFL commission have given special permission to say that in this ADASA case legal fees will be exempt under the cap
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Good to see clubs actively taking on Essendon now. The bombers don't care that they have held the integrity of the competition to ransom for 2 years and the game playing re trades is the last straw that has peeed other clubs off.
Port have opened the flood gates with the public Monfries advice and encouraging Ryder to leave on breach of contract.
I congratulate Port for taking the high moral ground. I hope that every other club with former or future players sticks it to them too.
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Port are growing on me. :'(
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Snip :banghead
Let's keep the conversation out of the gutter, points can be made without gutter talk
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Snip :banghead
Let's keep the conversation out of the gutter, points can be made without gutter talk
I thought it was humorous Im still laughing.
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James Hird's ASADA appeal fast-tracked, will be heard November 10.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hirds-asada-appeal-fasttracked-will-be-heard-november-10-20141009-113gti.html#ixzz3FbstUMdF
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Snip :banghead
Let's keep the conversation out of the gutter, points can be made without gutter talk
I thought it was humorous Im still laughing.
I hate missing snips
:'( :'( :'( :'(
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It's interesting that Justice Kenny confirmed that ASADA will reissue the show cause notices in the week of October 13th.
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Drug cheats in sport could benefit 'for decades', scientists find
By Tom Fordyce
Chief sports writer
Convicted dope cheats such as sprinter Justin Gatlin could still be benefiting from having taken banned substances long after their bans have expired.
Research by University of Oslo scientists has established that muscles can retain the advantages given by anabolic steroids decades after the point at which they were taken.
The data casts another shadow over once-banned athletes such as controversial US athlete Gatlin, Tyson Gay - the second fastest man in history - and Britain's Dwain Chambers.
This summer, 32-year-old Gatlin ran the fastest ever 100m and 200m times by a man in his thirties despite twice having served suspensions.
The study has vast implications for the existing anti-doping system, where a first-time offender is unlikely to be suspended for more than two years and may well serve less than half that.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/athletics/29510575
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It's interesting that Justice Kenny confirmed that ASADA will reissue the show cause notices in the week of October 13th.
ASADA cut a deal with WADA, Cronulla & NRL for off season suspensions only 2 days after the show cause notices were issued in the rugby.
They could probably do the same here, but may not feel inclined after the Fed court fiasco.
I think there will be an offer to the players though, and it will be too good to refuse for Monfries and Crameri, which will lead to a few tears from Essendon players before they accept their fate and take their off season suspension.
Essendon will then have legal grounds to sack Hird, and he will have to drop his federal court case against ASADA and take one out against Essendon instead :lol
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Essendon reserves could line up in Round 1 if ASADA issues 34 Bombers doping bans
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
October 10, 2014
ESSENDON could be forced to ask the AFL Commission for extra recruits next year if a large group of Bombers are handed drug bans.
The AFL has contingency plans in place if as many as 20 current Essendon players are banned for the first month or more of the 2015 season.
It is accepted that almost all of Essendon’s stars are among those already handed show-cause notices, which could progress into drug bans.
The Bombers continue to state emphatically that no players took banned drugs, confident they will be cleared by an anti-doping tribunal in November.
The AFL refused to discuss those contingency plans on Thursday but it remains a possibility the Dons could be forced to play with a band of kids and rookies.
The Herald Sun understands the AFL would under no circumstances allow Essendon to hand-pick a group of quality VFL players to top up its list until its stars return.
But it is believed it might allow them to play all their rookies to ensure they play a full team.
And it could consider a move like letting players from Essendon’s VFL team to play some AFL games.
Widespread drug bans would almost certainly see Essendon get off to a winless first month of the season, a position it would be hard to come back from.
Essendon has recruited 14 primary listed players and four rookies since the disastrous 2012 season and has a handful of players who were not involved in the 2012 supplements program.
In all 34 Essendon players were handed show-cause notices, with 20 of them still at the club this year.
But by the time a handful of those players are moved on by Essendon and they go to the draft in November, potentially 23 or 24 of the list next year will be untouched by the saga plus rookies.
That means Essendon would be able to field a team if players were suspended, but senior players like David Zaharakis, Brendon Goddard and Paul Chapman would lead a bunch of 1-3 year players.
Zaharakis did not take part in the supplements program while Goddard and Chapman arrived after the 2012 season.
The only certainty is that the AFL would ensure Essendon continued playing rivals in next year’s fixture, with a scenario of the Dons not fielding a team totally unpalatable at AFL House.
Even if Essendon’s players were found guilty at an anti-doping tribunal they could face bans of six months that only included a month of football.
They might be banned from training with the Essendon players for a part of pre-season but seemingly would be back early in the year.
Essendon said it had not even considered a contingency plan, sure ASADA evidence they describe as “weak” and “circumstantial” will see their players cleared.
Five current Cronulla players are serving bans that saw them miss only the last three matches of the home-and-away season.
They are also ineligible for Four Nations tournament which starts next month.
ESSENDON PLAYERS NOT TOUCHED BY THE SUPPLEMENTS PROGRAM
B: Kurt Aylett, Sean Gregory, Will Hams
HB: Lachie Dalgleish, Ariel Steinberg, Elliott Kavanagh
C: Dylan van Unen, Zac Merrett, Shaun Edwards
HF: Martin Gleeson, Patrick Ambrose, Orazio Fantasia
F: Nick Kommer, Joe Daniher, Paul Chapman
R: Fraser Thurlow, Brendon Goddard, David Zaharakis,
Inter: Johnny Rayner, Conor McKenna, Jason Ashby, Jason Winderlich
* Most players assembled from past two trade, free agency and draft periods
* Essendon is chasing Gold Coast ruckman Daniel Gorringe and Port Adelaide backman Cam O’Shea.
* Elliott Kavanagh and Jason Winderlich have requested trades
CURRENT PICKS IN THIS YEAR’S DRAFT
Have pick No.21 as part of AFL penalties
Could get pick No.17 from Port Adelaide
Then picks 53, 71, 89
http://www.news.com.au/national/essendon-reserves-could-line-up-in-round-1-if-asada-issues-34-bombers-doping-bans/story-e6frfkp9-1227085724242
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Bomber Paddy Ryder feared for his unborn son during Dons’ drug saga
Scott Gullan
Herald-Sun
October 10, 2014
ESSENDON champion Paddy Ryder has revealed he feared for the life of his unborn son at the height of the Bombers’ drugs scandal.
The ruckman opened up on his 20-month ordeal as one of 34 Dons accused of doping.
“I can’t really put into words the amount of worrying and stress that we were both under, hoping that our son, Harlan, was going to be OK,” he said yesterday.
Ryder revealed he felt the club had let him down throughout the footy crisis.
“It just put so much stress on my partner and my family, it’s something that we couldn’t hide from. The only place I could really hide was on the footy field,” he said.
“At first we were really scared (about Harlan). What has panned out over a long period of time is that we felt badly let down by the club and lost trust and faith.”
When the supplements program began, Ryder recalled: “We were told it was going to be good for our footy.”
He’s now desperate to leave Essendon for Port Adelaide and a fresh start with partner Jess McDonald, whom he’ll marry on Caulfield Cup weekend, and their children, Liliana, 4, and Harlan, 11 months.
Ryder revealed there were times during games over the past two seasons where his mind would be consumed about the fears for his son.
During his interview with ASADA last year, Ryder was informed that there was potential for serious complications with his then unborn child because of the club’s supplements program.
“It was just a lot of worrying, a lot of time where it just consumed you during the day,” he said. “We just tried to get ourselves through this time as best we could.
“To this day Jess still worries. We’ve had discussions with (Essendon doctor) Doc Reid, he says everything is clear. But going through all that uncertainty, it doesn’t just clear up with someone saying, ‘It’s all good now’.”
Ryder said if the saga had been settled within six months, as the players were repeatedly told by club bosses it would be, he would have played out his career in red and black.
He would not the discuss the role of embattled coach James Hird, describing their relationship as “pretty good”.
He said he hoped Essendon and his teammates understood his decision to move on.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/bomber-ryder-feared-for-his-unborn-son-during-dons-drug-saga/story-fnelctok-1227085737436
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Just when you think, essedumb supporters have hity rock bottom, they reach new lows. The delusion is scary! - they are a cult
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/bomber-ryder-feared-for-his-unborn-son-during-dons-drug-saga/story-fni5f22o-1227085737436 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/bomber-ryder-feared-for-his-unborn-son-during-dons-drug-saga/story-fni5f22o-1227085737436)
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Why is it past tense?
Every OK now is it paddy?
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Why isn't past tense?
Every OK now is it paddy?
Doc Reid said all ok, so must be
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"I'd trust my kids with him !"
.... Even if they turn out deformed
#ehateverittakes/standbyhird
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http://m.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-decides-against-releasing-paddy-ryder-as-a-free-agent-20141012-114yqm.html
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Essendon doping saga: ASADA accusations now turn to Shanghai factory
Carly Crawford
Herald-Sun
October 13, 2014
THE case against 34 AFL players accused of doping offences — to be presented within days — is expected to focus on a banned drug sourced from a factory in Shanghai, China.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority case is likely to allege that Thymosin beta-4 from Chinese chemical maker GL Biochem (Shanghai) Pty Ltd was administered to the current and former Essendon players.
Text messages, emails, invoices and testimony from a range of witnesses are among key pieces of evidence gathered during the 16-month ASADA probe.
Amended show-cause notices issued to players are tipped to run to more than 50 pages and will be tailored to each recipient.
Previously, they have been more general and did not contain details of the alleged case against the players.
It is believed ASADA decided to pursue anti-doping charges against the Bombers after independent reviews of their case backed the move because the evidence was deemed to satisfy the standard of proof in anti-doping cases.
This standard, known as “comfortable satisfaction”, is lower than the “beyond reasonable doubt” standard applied in criminal cases.
The players this week expect to be given their first official glimpse of the evidence that threatens to condemn them as drug cheats.
ASADA will provide details of the case against the players alongside amended show-cause notices, which are to be reissued after the Federal Court threw out Essendon’s bid to have the ASADA probe declared unlawful.
ASADA had agreed to halt the doping violation process while court proceedings were under way.
ASADA alleges the 34 players were unwittingly given the banned drug Thymosin beta-4 during the 2012 season. Essendon strongly denies this, claiming a different, permitted type of Thymosin was used at the club.
ASADA has spoken with the anti-ageing clinician and pharmacist allegedly involved in the supply of the substance to Essendon.
They also have text messages in which the Bombers’ former sports scientist Stephen Dank describes the effects of a “Thymosin”, which the AFL has argued could only be achieved from the banned form.
ASADA also engaged consulting firm Deloitte to conduct a forensic analysis of the computer and mobile phone of one key witness.
The Herald Sun revealed in May that ASADA would pursue Bombers players over allegations they used TB4, which is often used to improve racehorse performance.
The agency’s key witness is Shane Charter, who has run anti-ageing clinics.
He alleges that sports scientist Stephen Dank asked him to source Thymosin beta-4 in quantities sufficient to treat a football squad.
At no time did Dank ask him to source any other type of Thymosin, he claims. Charter alleges the Thymosin beta-4 was delivered to pharmacist Nima Alavi, of Como Compounding, for collection by Dank.
Investigators have checked his claims with Customs.
Alavi, who initially refused to help ASADA citing legal advice, eventually gave investigators evidence alleging the substance sourced by Charter arrived at his pharmacy marked simply as “Thymosin” and that Dank took it from him to be tested at a Melbourne lab.
He claims Dank later told him the chemicals were no good and that they had been destroyed at the lab.
That lab, Mimotopes, reportedly has no record of receiving or destroying peptides from Dank in early 2012.
Dank, who is believed to dispute Alavi’s version, has not spoken with ASADA but has maintained he never gave players the banned form of the drug.
During its probe, ASADA took advice from respected former Australian Federal Police chief Mick Palmer and retired judge Garry Downes. It is believed these reviews reminded investigators, many of whom come from law enforcement backgrounds, that the standard of proof is lower in anti-doping cases than it is in a criminal case.
Before his retirement in 2012, Downes was president of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, which is the forum where any appeal against a doping violation would be heard.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-doping-saga-asada-accusations-now-turn-to-shanghai-factory/story-fndv7pj3-1227088199608
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ban 2 years and put them out of business. Watson should give back his brownlow medal.
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#TassieFC
#CongratsSam&Trent
etc etc
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Just waiting for the SC notices to land & stick on, deals to be done & bans enforced (however light & contrived) ... then we can demand Cotchin's Brownlow! :gotigers :gotigers
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Some filler from Caro, just to keep us going until the show cause notices are served in the next day or two...
Mark Thompson may not coach after all
In what seemed like the first real sign that he would shut the door on his AFL coaching career, Mark Thompson in August quit the coaches' association.
It appeared a fit of pique given that Thompson had refused to give up the $5000 in career development he believed was his right to help the cash-strapped association. Every other senior coach had agreed to sacrifice the money but Thompson repeatedly refused.
Eventually, he emailed all the coaches and their nominal governing body and said he was out of the AFLCA. Just as he had indicated earlier this year he would not pay the $30,000 AFL fine for his governance failures at Essendon – which remains due at the end of the month – Thompson signalled his total disregard for the attempt to rein him in.
There remains a clear possibility Thompson will not be involved in the AFL next year, having closed a number of doors and left some suitors deeply concerned regarding his day-to-day ability to manage a large group of young men and present as the face of his football club.
But at least one door remains partially open to him.
The next act in Thompson's on-again-off-again love affair with AFL coaching will start in a matter of days when the out-of-contract "Bomber" returns from overseas and sits down with Essendon bosses so that both parties can work out where each other is "at". Where things stand this week, the answer on both sides remains unclear.
Thompson flew out of Australia two weeks ago, just hours after publicly declaring his wish to coach the Bombers. But Essendon has another senior coach – at least for "the immediate term".
The erratic nature of Thompson's behaviour became more unpredictable in the days leading up to his departure when even those Essendon directors backing him to officially replace James Hird suffered from cold feet.
The Gold Coast, having stated it wanted to interview Thompson, withdrew from that stance – although it remains uncertain whether Thompson, in any event, would have been prepared to put himself through an interview process. Either way the fledgling Suns also went cold on Thompson.
Although it would not be the first time the two-time Geelong premiership coach changed his mind – he declared the job this year was for one year only and previously twice performed a radical change of heart about doing it in the first place – it seems certain he would not consider coaching the Western Bulldogs. For the same reason he declared no interest in Adelaide. Both Brenton Sanderson and Brendan McCartney have been close colleagues of Thompson and McCartney, like Sanderson, sees him as a mentor and friend.
Which leaves Essendon.
Clearly Hird, even in the view of his supporters, is barely hanging on to the senior job, which he retained following a series of legal threats after the Bombers' board botched its attempt to sack him.
The Hird view is that Thompson betrayed him at the Crichton Medal count by applying for his job just hours after – according to Hird – Thompson said he supported his decision to appeal the Federal Court decision against him.
The following day a dishevelled-looking Thompson said before departing Melbourne that he had "no idea" whether Hird would be back at the club.
Even despite the fall-out with Hird, Thompson's vocal supporter, Tim Watson, has stated recently that his former teammate needs the senior job to be at his best. Clearly, he was unable to truly succeed in the role as Hird's mentor.
Essendon remains in talks with another former favourite son, Mark Harvey, for a coaching role and the prevailing view is that Harvey and Thompson could work together.
Club CEO Xavier Campbell would not guarantee any outcome or plan on Wednesday when contacted by Fairfax Media. "We will be speaking to him [Thompson] when he returns from overseas in the next few days," Campbell said. "No decisions have been made about anything and we hope to sit down and discuss what the future looks like shortly."
Not untypically of the club at present, the senior players appear divided over Thompson and whether he should return as senior coach. His performance at the best-and-fairest rattled a number of on and off-field power-brokers –none of whom doubt his coaching ability, but many of whom question whether he is stable enough to maintain the role.
In the words of one of his key players at Geelong: You never knew which Bomber you were going to get from one day to the next. Particularly during his final year with the Cats, which ended in a dreadful fashion with trust between coach and club devastatingly eroded.
Essendon is understood to have attempted to contact Thompson during his holiday but communication was difficult, particularly while the 2014 senior coach was travelling in Mexico. Given Essendon's current state of limbo this was perhaps not a bad thing.
Should the shake-up some Essendon supporters know must take place for the club to rebuild from the wreckage of its own creation happen, then Hird will only be one of a number of casualties.
There seems little doubt Thompson believed Hird gone when he declared his passion to coach on Crichton Medal night. There also seemed little doubt he had no interest in returning in a lesser role as an assistant or coaching director.
But then Thompson has made an art-form of saying one thing and doing another. His behaviour may have increasingly become a source of alarm for the football community but he remains an industry leader as a match-day coach.
A coach crying out for a football boss – and a club – strong enough to support and harness him.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mark-thompson-may-not-coach-after-all-20141015-116l9p.html
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Who gives a crap? Bomber himself has a lot of questions surrounding his role in this scandal which so far have barely been asked..
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True, for some reason he seems to have come out of this squeaky clean when it has him that has the history with 'the weapon'.
There'll be a few more questions asked if he doesn't pay his $30,000 fine by the end of the month!
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I wouldn't pay any fines if I was in the afl either.
stuff em
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Thompson's behaviour has been described by many that know him as scatty. Clubs are more than aware of this.
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Our legal advice is we would of defeated paddy Ryder in court
Delusional fwits
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Essendon 34 to see evidence from ASADA, show-cause notices to be reissued
Grant Baker
Herald-Sun
October 17, 2014
THE 34 current and former Essendon players facing doping charges will finally see the evidence against them, with reissued show-cause notices expected to arrive on Friday.
The original notices were sent in June and contained the allegation the players had used the banned peptide Thymosin beta-4, but no supporting evidence.
That move prompted Essendon to take unsuccessful Federal Court action against the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
Although Essendon’s coach James Hird is continuing his legal battle against ASADA, the anti-doping agency confirmed this week it would “fast-track” its prosecution of the players and would include “individually tailored” evidence in the new notices.
Should the evidence be as expected — a circumstantial case that the players were injected with the supplement sourced from China — the players will likely waive their right to meaningfully answer the notices.
Instead, they could ask that they be put on the Register of Findings, the trigger for infraction notices, as soon as possible so the case returns to the AFL’s jurisdiction.
Should AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon conclude the evidence stacked up, he would issue doping charges and set the date for an AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal, to be chaired by David Grace, QC.
A three-person panel would be rounded out by a lawyer and medical doctor who both have experience in the anti-doping sphere.
If the evidence against the players is similar, they would likely request a single “representative” case be heard, with the league, ASADA and the players to all have lawyers on hand.
After seeing the evidence, it is also open to the players to negotiate Cronulla-style deals with ASADA over penalties — but it is understood any deal must involve an admission of guilt and suspension for AFL matches in 2015.
If they are found guilty by the tribunal, they would plead mitigating circumstances — that they were effectively duped into taking a banned supplement — and could still have their bans reduced to six months.
The players’ situation and Hird’s appeal before the full Federal Court to have ASADA’s joint investigation into the Bombers with the AFL ruled unlawful is expected to draw challengers to Paul Little’s board.
Hird’s case has been set for a one-day trial on November 10.
Little will face members at the club’s annual general meeting on December 15, with two spots on the board up for election prior to that.
The club quizzed members on the doping saga in a recent survey.
Members were asked “how are you feeling about your membership in light of the way the club has handled elements of the ongoing ASADA investigation?”
It has also asked members whether their feelings had changed “with regard to the club in general, senior officials and the players”.
Members were also given a say on their level of satisfaction with the administration of the club, the functioning of the club board and the financial position of the club.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-34-to-see-evidence-from-asada-showcause-notices-to-be-reissued/story-fndv8gad-1227092902429
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It's official show cause notices have been re-issued this arvo
@3AWisfootball: BREAKING | New show-cause notices have been issued to Essendon players involving Thymosin Beta-4. Players have 10 days to respond.
@superfooty: BREAKING: ASADA hits Essendon 34 with fresh show-cause notices http://t.co/kr10P68fAX
@theagesport: BREAKING: ASADA has issued fresh show-cause notices against 34 current and former Essendon players
@superfooty: UPDATE: (http://Fresh ASADA show-cause notices include 12,000 pages of evidence - 350 against each of 34 players) http://t.co/kr10P68fAX
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10 days takes it to the 26th.
Probably a couple of weeks then a decision? :pray
6 month bans = bites into mid May (round 8ish)?
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10 days takes it to the 26th.
Probably a couple of weeks then a decision? :pray
6 month bans = bites into mid May (round 8ish)?
I hope it becomes ASADA's turn to drag it on
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10 days takes it to the 26th.
Probably a couple of weeks then a decision? :pray
6 month bans = bites into mid May (round 8ish)?
I hope it becomes ASADA's turn to drag it on
Good call. Every week it drags from now is another certain loss next year for the Bombers. A post 28 Feb 2015 decision would wipe out every game .
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ian-prendergast-compares-essendon-players-to-asbestos-victims-20141017-117kwn.html
Only took these aflpa wankets two years and 350 page show cause notice. To change their tunes
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ian-prendergast-compares-essendon-players-to-asbestos-victims-20141017-117kwn.html
Only took these aflpa wankets two years and 350 page show cause notice. To change their tunes
When did James Hardie's victims consent to inject asbestos into themselves? Am I missing something or are these comments ridiculous?
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ian-prendergast-compares-essendon-players-to-asbestos-victims-20141017-117kwn.html
Only took these aflpa wankets two years and 350 page show cause notice. To change their tunes
When did James Hardie's victims consent to inject asbestos into themselves? Am I missing something or are these comments ridiculous?
they are in desperate trouble and like a drowning man they will clutch onto anything to try and survive. essendon are fckd. ;D
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ian-prendergast-compares-essendon-players-to-asbestos-victims-20141017-117kwn.html
Only took these aflpa wankets two years and 350 page show cause notice. To change their tunes
When did James Hardie's victims consent to inject asbestos into themselves? Am I missing something or are these comments ridiculous?
he should stand down after those comments.
What an absolute flog
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Bloody poor form by the AFLPA.
What was Prendergast thinking :-\
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ian-prendergast-compares-essendon-players-to-asbestos-victims-20141017-117kwn.html
Only took these aflpa wankets two years and 350 page show cause notice. To change their tunes
When did James Hardie's victims consent to inject asbestos into themselves? Am I missing something or are these comments ridiculous?
Simply ridiculous comments
Prendergast should be sacked by the very people he is supposed to represent. Set their collective cause back years IMHO
Moronic doesn't even come close
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"If we compare that situation at Essendon to what would happen in another industry – say the construction industry, for example, where construction workers are exposed to asbestos through the lies of their employer – would we be talking about punishing those workers or would we be talking about compensating them?" Prendergast said.
Not sure why you big girls blouses are so up set.
The fact are two years or whatever the time period little maintains
"We don't know the drugs taken"
"Drugs are not wada banned"
This ridiculous double speak makes sense to no one apart from the very highest paided public relation gurus. Many drug cheats die young flojo etc. Etc. WWF. Geezers. The rugby kid.
Asada are not fear mongering. There is a real chance of cancer, deformedchildren, lpremature death etc. They wouldn't out that out there just to Guantanamo bay style sucker in efc players.
The aflpa analogy is not far fetched
Dont believe everything the professional spin doctors say
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"If we compare that situation at Essendon to what would happen in another industry – say the construction industry, for example, where construction workers are exposed to asbestos through the lies of their employer – would we be talking about punishing those workers or would we be talking about compensating them?" Prendergast said.
Not sure why you big girls blouses are so up set.
The fact are two years or whatever the time period little maintains
"We don't know the drugs taken"
"Drugs are not wada banned"
This ridiculous double speak makes sense to no one apart from the very highest paided public relation gurus. Many drug cheats die young flojo etc. Etc. WWF. Geezers. The rugby kid.
Asada are not fear mongering. There is a real chance of cancer, deformedchildren, lpremature death etc. They wouldn't out that out there just to Guantanamo bay style sucker in efc players.
The aflpa analogy is not far fetched
Dont believe everything the professional spin doctors say
Bottom line is asbestos isn't a performance enhancing drug. WADA etc punishes drug cheats. Essendon players will arguably have gained an advantage that will stay in their system and benefit them for years. The fact that some players opted out of the program from the start shows there were concerns about health issues by the smarter ones. Were the players completely duped - injection after injection after injection.
Should WADA etc go easy on all drug cheats because of the long term health risks or protect the integrity of a drug free level playing field?
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"If we compare that situation at Essendon to what would happen in another industry – say the construction industry, for example, where construction workers are exposed to asbestos through the lies of their employer – would we be talking about punishing those workers or would we be talking about compensating them?" Prendergast said.
Not sure why you big girls blouses are so up set.
The fact are two years or whatever the time period little maintains
"We don't know the drugs taken"
"Drugs are not wada banned"
This ridiculous double speak makes sense to no one apart from the very highest paided public relation gurus. Many drug cheats die young flojo etc. Etc. WWF. Geezers. The rugby kid.
Asada are not fear mongering. There is a real chance of cancer, deformedchildren, lpremature death etc. They wouldn't out that out there just to Guantanamo bay style sucker in efc players.
The aflpa analogy is not far fetched
Dont believe everything the professional spin doctors say
If the aflpa truly believe that then they should be calling for essendons head. They got off lightly in that case
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"If we compare that situation at Essendon to what would happen in another industry – say the construction industry, for example, where construction workers are exposed to asbestos through the lies of their employer – would we be talking about punishing those workers or would we be talking about compensating them?" Prendergast said.
Not sure why you big girls blouses are so up set.
The fact are two years or whatever the time period little maintains
"We don't know the drugs taken"
"Drugs are not wada banned"
This ridiculous double speak makes sense to no one apart from the very highest paided public relation gurus. Many drug cheats die young flojo etc. Etc. WWF. Geezers. The rugby kid.
Asada are not fear mongering. There is a real chance of cancer, deformedchildren, lpremature death etc. They wouldn't out that out there just to Guantanamo bay style sucker in efc players.
The aflpa analogy is not far fetched
Dont believe everything the professional spin doctors say
You just cannot compare the two. Construction workers were inhaling asbestos dust unknowingly. This lead them to their deaths. Essendon players consented to being injected with drugs that were on the edge and were sworn to confidentiality. The fact that theses drugs were most likely banned means that the players did not do enough to make sure that what was being injected was not over the edge. The AFLPA is failing to admit that the players erred by not seeking independent advice on a systematic doping program that has never been seen in our sport. James Hardie's victims did not even know that there was anything to check!
This is just so different, it is laughable.
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Comparing the Asbestos cases with what happened at Essendon is indeed laughable
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You just cannot compare the two. Construction workers were inhaling asbestos dust unknowingly. This lead them to their deaths. Essendon players consented to being injected with drugs that were on the edge and were sworn to confidentiality. The fact that theses drugs were most likely banned means that the players did not do enough to make sure that what was being injected was not over the edge. The AFLPA is failing to admit that the players erred by not seeking independent advice on a systematic doping program that has never been seen in our sport. James Hardie's victims did not even know that there was anything to check!
This is just so different, it is laughable.
:clapping :clapping
Bingo!
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Essendon warned ASADA won’t go easy on players over supplements saga
Rita Panahi
Herald-Sun
October 20, 2014
ASADA boss Ben McDevitt has signalled the anti-doping body will not accept extravagantly lenient deals the AFL may strike with the 34 past and present Essendon players reissued with show cause notices.
Mr McDevitt has come to an agreement with AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan that will see ASADA take a key role in any tribunal hearings if infraction notices are issued.
“I’ve spoken with the CEO of the AFL and we have agreed that ASADA will be present at any tribunal hearings and will be directly involved in the presentation of the evidence in relation to these matters should they get that far,” Mr McDevitt said.
“Both ASADA and WADA of course retain the right of appeal in these matters.”
ASADA earlier this year unsuccessfully appealed the sentence handed to St Kilda’s Ahmed Saad by the AFL Tribunal on the grounds that the 18-month ban was lenient.
Saad had consumed an over-the-counter energy drink that was banned on match day but is legal during the week.
But ASADA succeeded in having VFL player Matthew Clark’s suspension — handed down by the AFL Victoria Tribunal — increased from nine months to two years after he consumed a similar substance.
It was inevitable that Essendon players would receive infraction notices, said anti-doping experts and some insiders at Essendon.
Mr McDevitt said the burden of proof for show cause notices to proceed to infraction notices was not high.
“For me to issue the show cause notice I’ve got to meet two requirements: one is that I think there has been a possible violation, and the second is that I think it warrants action,” he said.
“The panel (the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel) don’t have to make any decision about it warranting action, they simply have to agree or disagree with me on a possible violation. So yes, it’s not a significant burden of proof.”
Mr McDevitt said he wants the panel to meet as soon as possible after October 31 — the deadline for players to respond to their show cause notices.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-warned-asada-wont-go-easy-on-players-over-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1227095209763
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“I’ve spoken with the CEO of the AFL and we have agreed that ASADA will be present at any tribunal hearings and will be directly involved in the presentation of the evidence in relation to these matters should they get that far,” Mr McDevitt said.
Hirdy's lawyers are all over it
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/bombers-cant-expect-special-treatment-from-asada-as-harsh-penalties-loom/story-fni0fhh1-1227095341621
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ASADA may call on Shane Charter and Nima Alavi at AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal
Grant Baker
Herald Sun
October 22, 2014
Convicted drug trafficker Shane Charter and compound pharmacist Nima Alavi will likely be asked to give evidence in person at any AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal hearing of charges against current and former Essendon players.
The 32 players being represented by the AFL Players’ Association-led legal team will be advised this week to not answer the detailed ASADA show cause notices reissued by ASADA last Friday, in a bid to move the cases to the tribunal to fight the allegations.
Their lawyers have reviewed more than 12,000 pages of evidence in the new notices, which lay out a circumstantial case in the style of a police brief that the players were administered with the banned substance Thymosin beta-4 during the 2012 supplements program at the club.
The case relies heavily on evidence given to ASADA by Charter and Alavi in interviews, as well as text messages between Charter and former Bombers sports scientist Stephen Dank, who has not been interviewed by ASADA.
Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/asada-may-call-on-shane-charter-and-nima-alavi-at-afl-antidoping-tribunal/story-e6frf3e3-1227097820211
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See what happens in a democracy !
Communism rulings should apply here.
" Guilty - 2 years - FO !!!"
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Plutocracy
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Players won't respond to notices, says AFLPA
Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
October 23, 2014
LAWYERS representing the bulk of the players caught up in the Essendon supplements scandal have told ASADA they won’t respond to show-cause notices.
The move puts the ball back in ASADA’s court and should expedite the process, which has already taken 21 months.
“The players do not intend to respond to the show-cause notices,” AFL Players' Association chief executive Paul Marsh confirmed in a statement on Thursday.
The case now looks destined to head to the AFL anti-doping Tribunal.
Marsh declared the players “remain steadfast in their belief they have done nothing wrong”.
“This process has already taken up to 21 months - about half the average AFL player’s career,” he said.
“The prospect that players would have to endure a third season with these proceedings hanging over their heads is simply unacceptable.
“The players want this matter resolved quickly and fairly.
“It is time to bring this matter to an end.”
The anti-doping watchdog issued a 350-page dossiers to 34 past and present Essendon players last Friday alleging the use of banned peptide Thymosin beta-4 during the 2012 season.
The Players' Association represents 32 of the 34 players issued with notices.
AFL.com.au is seeking comment from lawyer Rob Stary who is believed to be representing the other two players.
“The players’ lawyers have written to ASADA and the AFL informing them that the players do not intend to respond to the show-cause notices and requested that ASADA expedite the process by bringing the matter before the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel within seven days,” Marsh said.
“In the event that ASADA is not able to meet that timeline, ASADA has been requested to simultaneously provide the AFL General Counsel and the players’ legal team with all the documentation and evidentiary material it has in this matter so that the matter can be dealt with in accordance with the AFL Anti-Doping Code.”
The Players' Association reiterated that the ‘onus of proof’ was not on the players.
“While ASADA is only required to demonstrate to the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel a ‘possibility’ of a violation, the much higher standard proof of ‘comfortable satisfaction’ is required to be proved by the AFL at the AFL anti-doping Tribunal.”
The AFL had no comment, saying the matter was in the hands of ASADA.
AFL.com.au has contacted ASADA for comment.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-23/players-wont-respond-to-notices
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ASADA says it won’t be rushed after Essendon players in doping saga won’t respond to show cause notices
News Corp Australia
October 23, 2014 6:23PM
ASADA has told the AFL Players’ Association and its lawyers it won’t be rushed into expediting the case against the 34 players issued with show-cause notices.
In a blunt response, ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt issued a statement on Thursday evening saying all parties — including the AFLPA who earlier in the day urged a fast outcome to the ongoing saga — needed to follow the due process.
He also gave a backhander to Essendon and the players involved, saying he wished the keen interest in player welfare had been present in 2012 — an obvious pointer to the supplements scandal that first led to the Bombers self reporting in February last year.
“In the six months I have been at ASADA I have had the club, the coach, the AFL Players’ Association, various other legal entities, plus other interested parties all voice their views as to the management of these matters,” McDevitt said.
“While all claim to represent the interest of the players and/or Australian sport, the advice as to remedial actions varies dramatically.
“In my role as protector of clean athletes in Australia, my advice to them is that if they want to act in the best interest of the players they should review the 12,000 pages of evidence and follow the due process.
“I only wish that such interest in player welfare had been present in 2012.”
The ASADA statement also wished to “remind the players’ lawyer” that any demand to fast-track the process were within the control of the AFL, and not ASADA.
Earlier today, Essendon players being represented by the AFL Players’ Association-led legal team said they did not intend to respond to the show cause notices reissued to them by ASADA last week.
Lawyers for the players reviewed the summary of evidence provided by ASADA then met with the players, who reaffirmed their commitment to seek “an expeditious process” to clear their names.
It means the supplements matter is almost certainly headed to the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal, which is likely to sit in December, meaning a verdict could be handed down before Christmas.
The players’ decision not to respond was expected.
AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon will review the evidence against the players and decide whether to issue infraction notices.
AFL Players’ Association chief executive Paul Marsh said the players’ lawyers have informed ASADA and the AFL that the players do not intend to respond to the show cause notices and requested that ASADA expedite the process by bringing the matter before the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel within seven days.
“In the event that ASADA is not able to meet that timeline, ASADA has been requested to simultaneously provide the AFL General Counsel and the players’ legal team with all the documentation and evidentiary material it has in this matter so that the matter can be dealt with in accordance with the AFL Anti-Doping Code,” he said.
“We urge ASADA to take all necessary steps to accede to the players’ request for this matter to be fast-tracked.”
“This process has already taken up 21 months — about half the average AFL player’s career. The prospect that players would have to endure a third season with these proceeding hanging over their head is simply unacceptable.
“The players want this matter resolved quickly and fairly. It is time to bring this matter to an end.”
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/asada-says-it-wont-be-rushed-after-essendon-players-in-doping-saga-wont-respond-to-show-cause-notices/story-e6frf3e3-1227099376735?from=public_rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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It's amazing the Essendon players are still stupid enough to trust and follow the advice they're given when all the advice to them so far has been a mix of crap, dodgy, deluded and/or a total stuff up.
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first show cause notices issued june 12.
essendon and hird drag it out through the courts.
4 months later the players are re issued show cause notices and now want the process expedited.
ASADA say yeah yeah, in our own time.
so all they have achieved is push any suspensions deeper into the season.
well thought out, fools :bow
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first show cause notices issued june 12.
essendon and hird drag it out through the courts.
4 months later the players are re issued show cause notices and now want the process expedited.
ASADA say yeah yeah, in our own time.
so all they have achieved is push any suspensions deeper into the season.
well thought out, fools :bow
If you have a read of the comments from the deluded #standbyhirdy fools in the dailys about this, it is just staggering :o. Whipped up into a frenzy by asada's delaying tactics bc secretly they have no evidence and are just praying that the Essendon players crack :lol stuff me
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It might be interesting to see how an AFL-based tribunal considers any charges of doping violations.
The player's advocates would start a defence along the lines that the players followed the AFL's procedures to the letter (whether they did or not). The players received advice from club medical staff and coaching staff that the "supplements" involved were not in violation of the anti-doping code (whether they were or not).
Will an AFL tribunal determine that the AFL's club-based anti-doping procedures were insufficiently rigourous to prevent the players being "duped" by their fitness and medical advisors? In other words, will the AFL rule that the AFL got it wrong? Wouldn't happen under Adolf's watch!
For sure, WADA would appeal any finding from the AFL tribunal that let the players off lightly, or completely, but I'm having trouble speculating how an AFL tribunal could rule against players who followed AFL procedures to the letter.
Remembering, of course, that the club and coach have already been spanked soundly with a wet lettuce leaf and an all-expenses paid family holiday on the French Riviera respectively. I wonder if we'll ever learn who tipped-off the Bummers to destroy all the evidence?
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It might be interesting to see how an AFL-based tribunal considers any charges of doping violations.
The player's advocates would start a defence along the lines that the players followed the AFL's procedures to the letter (whether they did or not). The players received advice from club medical staff and coaching staff that the "supplements" involved were not in violation of the anti-doping code (whether they were or not).
Will an AFL tribunal determine that the AFL's club-based anti-doping procedures were insufficiently rigourous to prevent the players being "duped" by their fitness and medical advisors? In other words, will the AFL rule that the AFL got it wrong? Wouldn't happen under Adolf's watch!
For sure, WADA would appeal any finding from the AFL tribunal that let the players off lightly, or completely, but I'm having trouble speculating how an AFL tribunal could rule against players who followed AFL procedures to the letter.
Remembering, of course, that the club and coach have already been spanked soundly with a wet lettuce leaf and an all-expenses paid family holiday on the French Riviera respectively. I wonder if we'll ever learn who tipped-off the Bummers to destroy all the evidence?
Agree afl will do the dodgy
Two year bans = worst cast scenario @ afl HQ
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I think I mentioned this some time ago,that it seems worldwide the clubs that appear to transgress are the wealthier clubs.eg Essendon,Carlton,Juventus,Barcelona,Rangers,.I think in Germany currently senior people from Bayern Munich are being investigated for tax fraud...I think a serious lesson needs to be taught to at least try and stop this.
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Juventus were punished relegated several leagues
Ditto rangers
Ditto barca - banned from transfers
Seria a, scot fa, la liga (or maybe fifa got barca, dunno) seem to have balls. The afl don't and just after the fast buck. When it comes down to the crunch the afl would rather not ban players cause they thinks its bad for the game misguided fools.
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Judge by serious lesson I mean..give them (whoever) the boot ,never to be seen again...or do you think that's way too harsh?
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EFC out tassie fc in is best case scenario for me.
Would teach a lesson to clubs not to cheat for 100s of years. And the added benefit of the mass suiciide of several EFC fans.
Perhaps more realistic put them in the vfl for 5 years, bring in tassie and make 20 team comp down the track with Darwin team or something.
In summary I'd be in favour of de registering the club :cheers
Or relegate them for 5 years as punishment
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Humans push the boundaries in all apsects.I guess that's how we progress .However sport seems to have maybe lost its focus .I think it was on radio recently where it was mentioned that many years ago Canada decided that the resources it was putting in to win Olympic Gold can be used to foster sport at a more local level,with community engagement.And apparently the result of doing this have been amazing.
Not saying its right for us but might somewhat subdue this will and striving to win at all costs
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I am often call rude things for some of my views so take what I say with a grain of salt
But the sport lost its soul a long time ago and it a business. Hence I think the afl don't want two year bans
This is good in regards to Canada: it'd be good for Australian football, soccer to follow the same track. The ammos for example is cool and ditto the VPL and they should be encouraged more
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It might be interesting to see how an AFL-based tribunal considers any charges of doping violations.
The player's advocates would start a defence along the lines that the players followed the AFL's procedures to the letter (whether they did or not). The players received advice from club medical staff and coaching staff that the "supplements" involved were not in violation of the anti-doping code (whether they were or not).
Will an AFL tribunal determine that the AFL's club-based anti-doping procedures were insufficiently rigourous to prevent the players being "duped" by their fitness and medical advisors? In other words, will the AFL rule that the AFL got it wrong? Wouldn't happen under Adolf's watch!
For sure, WADA would appeal any finding from the AFL tribunal that let the players off lightly, or completely, but I'm having trouble speculating how an AFL tribunal could rule against players who followed AFL procedures to the letter.
Remembering, of course, that the club and coach have already been spanked soundly with a wet lettuce leaf and an all-expenses paid family holiday on the French Riviera respectively. I wonder if we'll ever learn who tipped-off the Bummers to destroy all the evidence?
I believe the anti-doping authorities state that the sportsperson is ultimately responsible for what goes into their body. Being 'duped' may see a significant reduction any suspension from the full two years down to six months (or 3 months in the NRL's case) but it's not a defence for the sportsperson to claim ignorance and innocence.
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I believe the anti-doping authorities state that the sportsperson is ultimately responsible for what goes into their body. Being 'duped' may see a significant reduction any suspension from the full two years down to six months (or 3 months in the NRL's case) but it's not a defence for the sportsperson to claim ignorance and innocence.
Actually this exactly what John Coates (AOC chairman) says in an interview (albeit brief) in today's Age with Caro.
Uses a teenage gymnast as example, said she was given a cold tablet by a team doctor, tested positive to a banned substance because of it and was given the mandatory 2 year ban and had to give back her Olympic medal
He said ultimately the athlete is responsible for what they ingest
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You are overlooking the 'good bloke' clause
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Actually this exactly what John Coates (AOC chairman) says in an interview (albeit brief) in today's Age with Caro.
Uses a teenage gymnast as example, said she was given a cold tablet by a team doctor, tested positive to a banned substance because of it and was given the mandatory 2 year ban and had to give back her Olympic medal
He said ultimately the athlete is responsible for what they ingest
That's a poor example. She would have grounds for contesting that if it was true, (I'm assuming she was from one of the soviet nations pre 92'?). Of course "my coach gave me some pill for a cold" wouldn't stand up if contested. The difference here is Essendon have those stupid signed acknowledgments.
Edited to correct quote
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That's a poor example. She would have grounds for contesting that if it was true, (I'm assuming she was from one of the soviet nations pre 92'?). Of course "my coach gave me some pill for a cold" wouldn't stand up if contested. The difference here is Essendon have those stupid signed acknowledgments.
No she didn't have grounds to contest as the rules (WADA) are very specific and ignorance is not a valid reason/excuse. Every athlete is ultimately responsible for what they take under the WADA code. Her excuse was a team doctor gave here the tablet and regardless she copped the minimum 2 year penalty
As for the when, it was 2000 and the athlete's name was Andreea Raducan and she was 16-year-old and she got stripped of her gold medal
Here's a link to the article/interview
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/coates-not-surprised-at-time-needed-for-asada-investigation-20141024-11bhfc.html
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it can be taken into account when deciding penalty. extenuating circumstances or such and the athletes apply to a tribunal after the initial decision is made if i recall correctly
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it can be taken into account when deciding penalty. extenuating circumstances or such and the athletes apply to a tribunal after the initial decision is made if i recall correctly
True but in the gymnast's case it made no difference and from what I ca. Gather she didn't appeal either
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from what i understand these rules are drawn up more for individual athletes,where it would be an easy out to blame the coach and let them take the wrap, thus the onus is on the athlete.
IMO WADA need to completely overhaul the system, because at the moment there does not appear to be any capability to punish a club when they set out to rort the system with no concern for the players welfare as essendon have done, leaving the players to take the wrap when those supposed to be ensuring these rules are not broken are in fact the ones responsible.
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IMO WADA need to completely overhaul the system, because at the moment there does not appear to be any capability to punish a club when they set out to rort the system with no concern for the players welfare as essendon have done, leaving the players to take the wrap when those supposed to be ensuring these rules are not broken are in fact the ones responsible.
Agree with you on the overhaul.
Really good points :thumbsup
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from what i understand these rules are drawn up more for individual athletes,where it would be an easy out to blame the coach and let them take the wrap, thus the onus is on the athlete.
IMO WADA need to completely overhaul the system, because at the moment there does not appear to be any capability to punish a club when they set out to rort the system with no concern for the players welfare as essendon have done, leaving the players to take the wrap when those supposed to be ensuring these rules are not broken are in fact the ones responsible.
I think they have already amended that for next year with much harsher penalties for those running teams that use systematic doping….
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That's a poor example. She would have grounds for contesting that if it was true, (I'm assuming she was from one of the soviet nations pre 92'?). Of course "my coach gave me some pill for a cold" wouldn't stand up if contested. The difference here is Essendon have those stupid signed acknowledgments.
No she didn't have grounds to contest as the rules (WADA) are very specific and ignorance is not a valid reason/excuse. Every athlete is ultimately responsible for what they take under the WADA code. Her excuse was a team doctor gave here the tablet and regardless she copped the minimum 2 year penalty
As for the when, it was 2000 and the athlete's name was Andreea Raducan and she was 16-year-old and she got stripped of her gold medal
Here's a link to the article/interview
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/coates-not-surprised-at-time-needed-for-asada-investigation-20141024-11bhfc.html
She absolutely would have grounds to contest. If an athlete is given a substance and told by a practising doctor its one thing and turns out to be an illegal performance enhancing drug then there are grounds to contest. Yes an athlete is ultimately responsible, but if you're unconscious or grossly ill-informed there is wiggle room. Case would be judged on its merits, however the strict interpretation was necessary due to a lot of cheating at Olympic level occurring when athletes were defending themselves under the "well the team doctor gave them to me" defence.
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Not unless they are unconscious during an operation and tricked by the doctor
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ASADA case against Essendon players rests on injection regime
Roy Masters
The Age
October 28, 2014
Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.
Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.
ASADA's case against 34 past and present Essendon players rests heavily on evidence that points to a perfect match between the injection regime at the AFL club in 2012 and the protocol for administering the banned drug, thymosin beta 4.
The players have provided written documentation that they used four drugs, with one being "thymosin", the supplement biochemist Shane "Dr Ageless" Charter says was used at the club.
The players have also signed documentation of the number of injections they received per week throughout the season, which has been described as "an exact recipe for thymosin beta 4".
According to sports science sources, the standard protocol for the banned synthetic peptide is one injection each weekday for 10 weeks, compared with the injection regime for the natural substance, thymomodulin, which is one injection per week for six weeks. That is, 50 injections of the prohibited substance compared with six of the non-banned supplement in just over half the time. ASADA will argue that the batches of the supplement received by the club from the compounding pharmacist, Nima Alavi, is a match with the usage of the banned thymosin beta 4. It will be alleged multiple doses of the prohibited peptide, made to order, were received by the club in a regime that lasted over many months.
While the evidence is circumstantial, ASADA will argue it satisfies the "comfortable satisfaction" criterion the AFL tribunal must have to reach a guilty verdict.
Sports scientist Stephen Dank, the architect of Essendon's supplements program, accepts that there are considerable differences between the protocols associated with the injection regime of the two varieties of "thymosin" but would likely argue the evidence is fabricated.
Alavi has already accused Dank of forging his signature, while lawyers for the players may question the testimony of Charter, who was sentenced to four years' jail for the importation in 2004 of drugs. The hearing may also reveal some players had more knowledge of the drugs regime than others, where some may have seen evidence of thymosin beta 4.
Two players have their own legal representation, breaking from the 32 represented by the AFL Players Association.
Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.
However, the offer of six-month bans made to Essendon and the AFL in June, before the club and coach James Hird took action in the Federal Court, will not be revived by ASADA.
The original six months offer would have meant the suspension beginning after Essendon's last game in 2014 but the later start to the 2015 season, owing to the Cricket World Cup, may have meant they missed no matches.
But now, should the AFL tribunal find the players guilty of taking prohibited substances, it is likely ASADA will appeal any sentence that is not greater than six months.
While some of this sanction can be backdated, as it was in the case of 12 NRL players who represented Cronulla in 2011, it would result in AFL matches missed in 2015. WADA rules require sports' doping tribunals to hand down bans in number of months, not matches.
While the AFL has positioned itself as a disinterested party in the ASADA-Essendon dispute, surely it has everything to gain by having the players' bans minimised.
Similarly, the haste shown by the AFL Players Association in seeking to have the case go directly to the AFL tribunal, bypassing the anti-doping rule violation panel (ADRVP), is seen as a tactic to have a three-month suspension served in the off season.
To be fair, it is rare for the panel to overturn an ASADA action and order a case not to proceed, thus suggesting the body is redundant.
However, the players' association's demand for a quick hearing is perceived to be more about minimising the number of games missed in 2015. The fact it has not contacted ASADA directly is a further source of aggravation.
ASADA did fast-track the Cronulla case but did so via the ADRVP.
Furthermore, ASADA has already demonstrated resolve to have the case concluded. It could have waited until after the outcome of Hird's appeal to the Full Federal Court, before re-issuing show-cause notices, thereby pushing the saga, now known as "asaga", deep into 2015.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-case-against-essendon-players-rests-on-injection-regime-20141027-11cgku.html
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ASADA case against Essendon players rests on injection regime
Roy Masters
The Age
October 28, 2014
Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.
Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.
ASADA's case against 34 past and present Essendon players rests heavily on evidence that points to a perfect match between the injection regime at the AFL club in 2012 and the protocol for administering the banned drug, thymosin beta 4.
The players have provided written documentation that they used four drugs, with one being "thymosin", the supplement biochemist Shane "Dr Ageless" Charter says was used at the club.
The players have also signed documentation of the number of injections they received per week throughout the season, which has been described as "an exact recipe for thymosin beta 4".
According to sports science sources, the standard protocol for the banned synthetic peptide is one injection each weekday for 10 weeks, compared with the injection regime for the natural substance, thymomodulin, which is one injection per week for six weeks. That is, 50 injections of the prohibited substance compared with six of the non-banned supplement in just over half the time. ASADA will argue that the batches of the supplement received by the club from the compounding pharmacist, Nima Alavi, is a match with the usage of the banned thymosin beta 4. It will be alleged multiple doses of the prohibited peptide, made to order, were received by the club in a regime that lasted over many months.
While the evidence is circumstantial, ASADA will argue it satisfies the "comfortable satisfaction" criterion the AFL tribunal must have to reach a guilty verdict.
Sports scientist Stephen Dank, the architect of Essendon's supplements program, accepts that there are considerable differences between the protocols associated with the injection regime of the two varieties of "thymosin" but would likely argue the evidence is fabricated.
Alavi has already accused Dank of forging his signature, while lawyers for the players may question the testimony of Charter, who was sentenced to four years' jail for the importation in 2004 of drugs. The hearing may also reveal some players had more knowledge of the drugs regime than others, where some may have seen evidence of thymosin beta 4.
Two players have their own legal representation, breaking from the 32 represented by the AFL Players Association.
Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.
However, the offer of six-month bans made to Essendon and the AFL in June, before the club and coach James Hird took action in the Federal Court, will not be revived by ASADA.
The original six months offer would have meant the suspension beginning after Essendon's last game in 2014 but the later start to the 2015 season, owing to the Cricket World Cup, may have meant they missed no matches.
But now, should the AFL tribunal find the players guilty of taking prohibited substances, it is likely ASADA will appeal any sentence that is not greater than six months.
While some of this sanction can be backdated, as it was in the case of 12 NRL players who represented Cronulla in 2011, it would result in AFL matches missed in 2015. WADA rules require sports' doping tribunals to hand down bans in number of months, not matches.
While the AFL has positioned itself as a disinterested party in the ASADA-Essendon dispute, surely it has everything to gain by having the players' bans minimised.
Similarly, the haste shown by the AFL Players Association in seeking to have the case go directly to the AFL tribunal, bypassing the anti-doping rule violation panel (ADRVP), is seen as a tactic to have a three-month suspension served in the off season.
To be fair, it is rare for the panel to overturn an ASADA action and order a case not to proceed, thus suggesting the body is redundant.
However, the players' association's demand for a quick hearing is perceived to be more about minimising the number of games missed in 2015. The fact it has not contacted ASADA directly is a further source of aggravation.
ASADA did fast-track the Cronulla case but did so via the ADRVP.
Furthermore, ASADA has already demonstrated resolve to have the case concluded. It could have waited until after the outcome of Hird's appeal to the Full Federal Court, before re-issuing show-cause notices, thereby pushing the saga, now known as "asaga", deep into 2015.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-case-against-essendon-players-rests-on-injection-regime-20141027-11cgku.html
Rubbish article.
He has his drugs mixed up and their dosages.
It's so bad, it's actually embarrassing!
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Key witness in Essendon case, Shane Charter, on drug charges.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/key-witness-in-essendon-case-shane-charter-on-drug-charges-20141027-11cs1r.html
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Mark Thompson faces ban from AFL Commission after failing to pay $30,000 fine
afl.com.au
Alex Malcolm and staff writers
October 31, 2014 7:15 PM
TWO-TIME premiership coach Mark Thompson could be banned from working in the AFL after he failed to pay a $30,000 fine arising from his role in Essendon's 2012 supplements program.
Thompson's fine was due on Friday but an AFL spokesman confirmed the Bombers' 2014 senior coach had not done so.
His immediate future in the game now lay in the hands of the AFL Commission, the spokesman said.
Thompson was fined in August last year but was able to coach the Bombers this season while former coach James Hird served his 12-month suspension.
Essendon was fined $2million in total as part of the sanctions for the club's supplement program, however Thompson's fine was not to be paid by the club.
Essendon elected not to comment on Thompson's decision not to pay the fine when contacted by AFL.com.au on Friday.
It has been reported that Thompson has not had any contact with anyone from Essendon in recent days after several meetings between he and the club in the past fortnight surrounding his role in 2015.
Thompson has stated on a number of occasions, including at Essendon's best and fairest count, that he did not wish to step back into an assistant role after being the senior coach this season.
Hird said earlier this week that he still had a good relationship with Thompson but he added that the pair had not spoken for nearly a month.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-31/bomber-could-be-banned
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' i am the law'
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Missed this from a couple of days ago:
Bombers scientist Stephen Dank is still spruiking Essendon Football Club scandal drugs
Rita Panahi
Herald-Sun
November 03, 2014
STEPHEN Dank is selling the contentious drug at the centre of the Essendon doping saga.
A company connected with Dank, the architect of Essendon’s supplement program, is pushing the substance that ASADA accuses 34 current and ex-Bombers of using.
The controversial sports scientist is a major shareholder and director of the Medical Rejuvenation Clinic, a Sydney-based business that purports to offer “state-of-the-art age rejuvenation and well-being and sport science therapies including peptides’’.
The company’s website promotes the use of Thymosin Beta-4 or TB4 as “a first-in-class drug candidate” that provides a range of benefits including: “Increases lean muscle mass, helps repair tendons and ligaments, increases endurance, angiogenesis (growth of new blood cells from pre-existing vessels) in dermal tissues and decreases inflammation.’’
The “potent peptide’s” healing properties are expanded on further: “TB4 was identified as a gene that was up-regulated four to six-fold during early blood vessel formation and found to promote the growth of new blood cells from the existing vessels,” it says.
The website advertises substances referred to as both Thymosin Beta-4 and Thymosin. There is no mention of Thymomodulin, which some claim was the specific type of Thymosin — not prohibited — that Essendon players were repeatedly injected with during the 2012 season.
Consent forms signed by players say they were to be given a substance referred to as Thymosin.
In an interview with journalists last April, Dank stated that Thymosin Beta-4 had been part of his program at Essendon, however after being advised of its banned status, Dank reportedly said he was mistaken and that Thymomodulin was administered.
Dank denies giving athletes any banned substances. His website advises that “if you are a professional athlete please consult the ASADA or WADA guidelines and your coach, club and/or sporting body before using this peptide”.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-scientist-stephen-dank-is-still-spruiking-essendon-football-club-scandal-drugs/story-fndv8gad-1227110317182
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Fans' interests forgotten in Hird's appeal: ASADA
Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
November 7, 2014 6:45 PM
THE INTERESTS of the AFL and the public must be considered alongside those of the 34 Essendon players facing potential doping charges, the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority says.
ASADA’s stance was revealed in documents released by the Federal Court on Friday, outlining part of the defence it will mount against James Hird’s appeal bid.
Hird is challenging Justice John Middleton's ruling in September that the anti-doping watchdog acted within the law in its investigation into the club's 2012 supplements regime.
Following the ruling, ASADA re-issued detailed show-cause notices and summaries of evidence to 34 past and present Bombers players.
In its written submissions, lawyers for ASADA argue: "the interests of the 34 players are relevant, so too are the interests of the AFL and the public at large."
"Those interests militate strongly against permanent injunctive relief and favour non-interference with the show-cause notices - particularly since they have been re-issued.”
The anti-doping body alleges the players were injected with banned peptide Thymosin beta-4.
Thirty-two Essendon players have said they won't respond to the show-casue notices and are pushing for their cases to be fast-tracked to the AFL Tribunal.
Hird is appealing against the wishes of the club and the players involved, and his lawyers maintain ASADA acted beyond its power.
"ASADA (and the CEO) did not have unlimited the investigative powers. ASADA sought to supplement the granted power in a way neither contemplated nor authorised by Parliament and that was unlawful," Friday’s submission said.
"The judge failed to establish any statutory basis ASADA ... to enter into, and implement, an agreement with the AFL to investigate anti-doping violations under the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority Act ... or to institute and conduct ASADA's investigation in concert with the AFL, as they did.
"The investigation must ... start over and be carried out according to law."
The appeal has been set for a one-day hearing before Justices Susan Kenny, Tony Besanko and Richard White at the Federal Court in Melbourne on Monday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-07/fans-interests-forgotten-in-hirds-appeal-asada
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Excellent update on the appeal process available from The Social Litigator's site
http://sociallitigator.com/ (http://sociallitigator.com/)
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Just what the game needs - the judge's final decision on Hird's appeal won't be known until 2015. Thanks Jimmy, you really care about everyone else and a quick outcome ::) :banghead.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-11/afl-no-doping-patsy
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just why?
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Bye bye Bomber
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/don-and-dusted-mark-thompson-and-essendon-to-part-ways-20141112-11l56t.html
An inglorious exit from football by Bomber. Actually he has left the game in disgrace. Having said that you would have got decent odds on him going before Hird.
The AFL may not be able to enforce the $30k fine but there are other ways. The commission should ban him from the game and revoke his life membership, that is a given, but further to that I hope they resolve to investigate Thompson, his relationships and conditioning programs at Geelong, there is a clue to this in point 25 in original charge sheet against Essendon
25. Thompson pushed very strongly for the appointment of Robinson, notwithstanding the
fact that Thompson knew or believed that there were significant concerns about the
manner in which Robinson had conducted himself.
The AFL should investigate if the 2 Geelong flags were clean, this guy is as much as a maverick as Dank or Robinson himself!
The one area where I will give Bomber credit is that in his return to Essendon he managed in only 2 years to tear the club to shreds with his dodgy mates, set the club back years onfield AND rip a couple of million out of the them for sitting there drinking coke and eating party mix. From that perspective he is a genius, and it is the administration who are the fools.
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There's something happening here
But what it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?
#bomber2016
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Infraction notices imminent
Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
November 13, 2014 2:02 PM
INFRACTION notices could be issued to 34 past and present Essendon players within days after the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel formally put them on its register of findings.
It follows a decision by the bulk of the players not to respond to ASADA's show-cause notices that alleges they used the banned peptide Thymosin beta-4 during the 2012 season.
The ADRVP's decision now puts the case in the AFL's hands. The decision to issue infraction notices now rests with AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon, who technically must be satisfied there is enough evidence to proceed.
If infraction notices are issued the players will then finally get the opportunity to plead their case before the AFL's Anti-Doping Tribunal.
It's hoped a tribunal, chaired by former County Court judge David Jones, could be convened before Christmas.
The AFL Players' Association confirmed that players' legal representatives had been informed of the latest development.
“The determination from the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel was an anticipated outcome and we are pleased that we are a step closer to having this matter finalised," AFLPA chief executive Paul Marsh said.
“We now await the AFL’s decision as to whether or not they'll issue infraction notices.
"We hope this decision is made quickly so the process can keep moving.”
More to come
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-13/a?utm_medium=RSS
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Infraction notices at this stage mean nothing. The only important thing is what the AFL tribunal thinks of the evidence and if they hand out suspensions.
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Infraction notices at this stage mean nothing. The only important thing is what the AFL tribunal thinks of the evidence and if they hand out suspensions.
AFL tribunal does nothing, reckon WADA will come in over the top.. :clapping
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3AW saying Jobe will be stripped of his Brownlow. Cotchin come on down :bow
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Essendon supplements saga: 34 players hit with infraction notices
Jake Niall
The Age
November 14, 2014 - 5:50PM
Infraction notices have landed for the 34 current and former Essendon players who will face AFL tribunal charges over the use of banned peptide thymosin beta-4.
The infraction notices were issued by the AFL late Friday and the matter will be dealt with next week with a AFL directions hearing on Tuesday to determine the tribunal set-up.
The directions hearing will be chaired by tribunal chairman David Jones.
The charge specifies alleged use of thymosin beta-4 between January 2012 and September 2012.
The AFL will apply provisional suspensions to the players after the issuing of the notices. Since they are not playing, this will have little impact.
An exception is expected to be made for skipper Jobe Watson and veteran Dustin Fletcher, who are members of the International Rules team playing the Irish.
The AFL Commission can make an exception because of the provisional suspensions are subject to the commission's discretion.
MORE TO COME
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-supplements-saga-34-players-hit-with-infraction-notices-20141114-11n2zb.html
The identities of the players remain confidential at this stage.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-14/afl-issues-infraction-notices
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An exception is expected to be made for skipper Jobe Watson and veteran Dustin Fletcher, who are members of the International Rules team playing the Irish.\
And THAT sums up the moral compass of the AFL.
Over it.
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that was my first thought too.
but will the effect simply be to push back the end date of their suspensions, rather than decrease the length of suspension??
of course if they get a suspension that does not encroach into the season proper then it matters not anyway
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lmao@ diplomatic immunity for a game that doesn't exist.
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ESSENDON's Dustin Fletcher and Jobe Watson have been given the green light to play in Saturday's International Rules test, despite awaiting the ruling of Tuesday's directions hearing.
The AFL's football operations manager Mark Evans said he was not entitled to know the identity of the Essendon players who had been served with notices because of privacy rules.
However, the AFL had received advice from its legal department that no changes needed to be made to the 24-man Australian squad.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-17/dons-pair-clear-for-irs
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Stephen Dank says he can help clear players facing bans, is also set to sue AFL
Mitch Cleary
afl.com.au
November 17, 2014 10:05 PM
STEPHEN Dank is set to unveil evidence he claims will clear 34 past and present Essendon players facing charges arising from the Bombers’ controversial supplements scandal.
The man many believe is at the centre of the investigation is also set to sue the AFL.
Almost 22 months after the Bombers' alleged peptide regime engulfed the AFL, the players' case will go before the League's independent anti-doping judiciary late on Tuesday.
The AFL handed down 34 infraction notices to past and present Essendon players on Friday.
After promising for 21 months to reveal information, Dank is set to roll out evidence he believes proves the players' innocence.
It centres around Thymomodulin, a legal supplement the biochemist claims was used instead of Thymosin beta-4, the illegal substance which prompted infraction notices.
"It's an amber vial of Thymomodulin, clearly dated July 28, 2012," Dank told Sportsday radio.
Players want more evidence from ASADA
Dank also revealed he will notify the AFL of impending legal action against it on Tuesday, in relation to its handling of the supplements saga.
Player representatives will front the AFL's independent anti-doping judiciary for a directions hearing on Tuesday, in response to the infraction notices.
The AFL had no comment on Monday night.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-17/i-can-clear-players-dank
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Dean Wallis’ vial Thymomodulin photo casts doubt in ASADA case against Essendon 34.
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2014/11/17/1227126/194045-5be8b17a-6e2c-11e4-ae84-798920b22a79.jpg)
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/dean-wallis-vial-thymomodulin-photo-casts-doubt-in-asada-case-against-essendon-34/story-fnp04d6y-1227126194127
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Dean Wallis’ vial Thymomodulin photo casts doubt in ASADA case against Essendon 34.
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2014/11/17/1227126/194045-5be8b17a-6e2c-11e4-ae84-798920b22a79.jpg)
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/dean-wallis-vial-thymomodulin-photo-casts-doubt-in-asada-case-against-essendon-34/story-fnp04d6y-1227126194127
Yes a vial with a dodgy looking label - yep that's a clincher ::)
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If the AFL lost it's fans this year they ain't seen nothing yet if by some chance these bombers are cleared
This competition is becoming a farce the way it's run and this will be the icing on the cake
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Dean Wallis’ vial Thymomodulin photo casts doubt in ASADA case against Essendon 34.
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2014/11/17/1227126/194045-5be8b17a-6e2c-11e4-ae84-798920b22a79.jpg)
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/dean-wallis-vial-thymomodulin-photo-casts-doubt-in-asada-case-against-essendon-34/story-fnp04d6y-1227126194127
Ohhhoaw Sherlock Holmes.
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-to-argue-for-open-essendon-antidoping-hearing-20141117-11oftu.html
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Dean Wallis’ vial Thymomodulin photo casts doubt in ASADA case against Essendon 34.
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/dean-wallis-vial-thymomodulin-photo-casts-doubt-in-asada-case-against-essendon-34/story-fnp04d6y-1227126194127
Photo will mean nothing. Read below!
From The Australian June 20 2014:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-may-never-know-what-they-took-but-neither-will-asada-chemist/story-fnca0u4y-1226960614946?nk=a75ddb027478bdeded9048f1831ac7fa
"Mr Dank maintains that Mr Alavi supplied Essendon with a later batch of Thymomodulin, an immunity booster found in some infant formula. Mr Alavi said this was “complete rubbish”. He said when he asked Mr Dank about the test results at Mimotopes, he told him the batch was “fried’’ from exposure to direct sunlight and the peptides were destroyed at the lab.
Mimotopes managing director Sonja Plompen has told The Australian she has no record of her lab receiving a batch of peptides from Mr Dank in early 2012, much less destroying one.
Rob Willcourt, an anti-ageing doctor who has worked with Mr Alavi and Mr Dank, does not believe Mr Dank would allow $15,000 worth of peptides to be ruined by sun exposure. “He would have protected that stuff like it is gold,’’ he said.
Mr Dank has declined to be interviewed by ASADA and his version of events is not believed by its investigators."
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-to-argue-for-open-essendon-antidoping-hearing-20141117-11oftu.html
"We just can't wait for the truth to come out"
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Dean Wallis’ vial Thymomodulin photo casts doubt in ASADA case against Essendon 34.
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2014/11/17/1227126/194045-5be8b17a-6e2c-11e4-ae84-798920b22a79.jpg)
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/dean-wallis-vial-thymomodulin-photo-casts-doubt-in-asada-case-against-essendon-34/story-fnp04d6y-1227126194127
Photo will mean nothing. Read below!
From The Australian June 20 2014:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-may-never-know-what-they-took-but-neither-will-asada-chemist/story-fnca0u4y-1226960614946?nk=a75ddb027478bdeded9048f1831ac7fa
"Mr Dank maintains that Mr Alavi supplied Essendon with a later batch of Thymomodulin, an immunity booster found in some infant formula. Mr Alavi said this was “complete rubbish”. He said when he asked Mr Dank about the test results at Mimotopes, he told him the batch was “fried’’ from exposure to direct sunlight and the peptides were destroyed at the lab.
Mimotopes managing director Sonja Plompen has told The Australian she has no record of her lab receiving a batch of peptides from Mr Dank in early 2012, much less destroying one.
Rob Willcourt, an anti-ageing doctor who has worked with Mr Alavi and Mr Dank, does not believe Mr Dank would allow $15,000 worth of peptides to be ruined by sun exposure. “He would have protected that stuff like it is gold,’’ he said.
Mr Dank has declined to be interviewed by ASADA and his version of events is not believed by its investigators."
lol at the label on the bottle. what a disgrace.
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The thing that sticks out is that it's a photo of a photo. That is something you would do to hide the fact you photoshopped the first photo. The metadata would show alteration.
Other problems are that it could have been taken anywhere in the world, not necessarily at Windy Hill. We still don't really know what is actually in the vial etc etc etc.
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Wallis - 'Hey guys, think I might take a photo of this medicine bottle so as we're cleared in the future. Also it will mean we don't need to keep any other records.' :rollin
The Bombers are a complete joke. Anyone who buys this crapola is a bigger one.
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Why has the photo been folded into 6 parts, was this to try and make it look like it was around, say, 2 years old? Haha
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Ok.
R these idiots stuffn kidding?
LMAOOOOOOOO!
Does our Judiciary system laugh too?
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Why has the photo been folded into 6 parts, was this to try and make it look like it was around, say, 2 years old? Haha
Lol. And why was it printed in the first place, only to be rephotographed? Morons.
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Perhaps it was the in house poster for "Whatever it Takes"
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Chip Le Grand @Melbchief twitter:
"Anti-doping case against 2012 Bombers and Stephen Dank provisionally listed for Dec 15 start. Estimated to take three weeks. Happy New Year."
https://twitter.com/Melbchief
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it emerged lawyers acting for two former Bombers, Stewart Crameri and Brent Prismall, who are now with the Western Bulldogs, were happy for the tribunal hearing to be open to the media - and therefore relayed to the public.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bulldogs-players-break-ranks-in-asada-case-20141118-11pajo.html
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Essendon could be allowed to use state-league pinch-hitters in a drugs doomsday scenario
Mark Robinson, Grant Baker and Sam Landsberger
Herald-Sun
November 19, 2014
ESSENDON could get special dispensation to recruit state-league players from around Australia under a drugs suspension doomsday scenario.
The AFL and the Bombers have had talks about a contingency plan if players are suspended for taking performance-enhancing drugs.
If adopted, the Bombers would have access to non-AFL listed players to help field a team next year.
The players could be sourced from the VFL, the SANFL, the WAFL and state leagues of Tasmania, NSW and Queensland.
Up to 20 of the Essendon 34 charged remain at the club.
On Tuesday night the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal sat for the first time in the Essendon case, to decide how the charges against the 34 players would be heard.
In the doomsday scenario, an emergency meeting of the AFL Commission could introduce rules which would enable Essendon to sign state-league players for the duration of the suspensions.
Any bans almost certainly to take in Anzac Day, the Bombers’ most cherished game of the year.
The marquee clash with Collingwood falls in Round 4 and the prospect of B-grade players taking part would be embarrassing.
If found guilty, the Essendon players could be sidelined for up to two years, but discounts could reduce bans to six months, including time served in the off-season.
The AFL has a strong incentive to ensure Essendon can field a team because of its lucrative broadcast rights deals with Channel 7 and Foxtel.
The prospect of the “ninth” game being abandoned, even for a handful of weeks, would have serious implications for the league’s finances.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-could-be-allowed-to-use-stateleague-pinchhitters-in-a-drugs-doomsday-scenario/story-fndv8gad-1227127514353
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The AFL has a strong incentive to ensure Essendon can field a team because of its lucrative broadcast rights deals with Channel 7 and Foxtel.
*cue Benny Hill theme*
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Paul Little says Bombers' board has performed 'exceptionally well'
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/paul-little-says-bombers-board-has-performed-exceptionally-well-20141122-11rrvq.html
Deluded as ever! :stupid :rollin.
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James Hird should resign, says Essendon board hopeful Bill Jennings.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-should-resign-says-essendon-board-hopeful-bill-jennings/story-fndv8gad-1227133465476
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James Hird should resign, says Essendon board hopeful Bill Jennings.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-should-resign-says-essendon-board-hopeful-bill-jennings/story-fndv8gad-1227133465476
Interesting as I have it on good authority that Hird threatened to personally sue every board member if he was sacked! It was from a very good source.
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bigger than the club.
Funny.
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James Hird should resign, says Essendon board hopeful Bill Jennings.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-should-resign-says-essendon-board-hopeful-bill-jennings/story-fndv8gad-1227133465476
Interesting as I have it on good authority that Hird threatened to personally sue every board member if he was sacked! It was from a very good source.
Yeah caro wouldn't of run the story unless she got the green light from high up in the efc board
Hird would of threatened big money sue
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Mark Thompsons fine paid with the club apparently forking out $25k towards it with Thommo paying the last $5k. :lol
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Sack hardwick
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Lol @ litle
I'llgive u 25 but not 30
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hahaha.
Yes,can't pay it all, you know.
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-supplements-saga-losers-all-round-as-asada-saga-set-to-end-with-whimper-20141202-11ye5z.html
If the dons get off via some loop hole and suddenly dissapearing witnesses I wont watch an essendon match for years. I would hope someone start a boycott the dons games campaign hopefully players would join in.
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Cut to the car chase & call WADA! :scream
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They'll get away with it - were always going to. Too much money at stake.
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800 million goes a long way innit
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They'll get away with it - were always going to. Too much money at stake.
Illuminate asada
/angushampson
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And this saga continues ....
An admission on Fairfax Radio by biochemist Shane Charter that he sourced the banned thymosin beta 4 and delivered it to a chemist commissioned by Stephen Dank has been described as "gold" by Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority sources.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-doping-scandal-shane-charters-admission-gold-says-asada-20141203-11zgf5.html
Stephen Dank, the man at the centre of the Essendon supplements scandal, will attempt to end the debate over his controversial injecting program when he fronts the AFL anti-doping tribunal.
It emerged on Wednesday Dank's barrister had informed tribunal chairman David Jones that he would give evidence at the hearing, set to begin on December 15.
However, the case may not yet start until the new year as a result of a Supreme Court hearing.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stephen-dank-to-give-evidence-at-antidoping-tribunal-20141203-11z9n7.html
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ASADA declares: Bring on the AFL tribunal hearing
Jon Pierik
The Age
December 6, 2014
Australian anti-doping chief Ben McDevitt has declared his lawyers are ready to prosecute their case against Essendon, regardless of whether his two key witnesses appear before the AFL Tribunal.
McDevitt said on Friday that while the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority would prefer that biochemist Shane Charter and compound pharmacist Nima Alavi appeared at the December 15 hearing, authorities still had a strong case against the 34 current and former Essendon players charged with being administered the banned drug, thymosin beta 4.
"By placing the names on the Register of Findings, the [anti-doping rule violation] panel confirmed my view that possible doping violations had occurred at Essendon in 2012," McDevitt said. "It should be noted the tribunal is not a court and is not bound by the rules of evidence.
"Despite media reports to the contrary, while it is my preference for potential witnesses to front the tribunal in person, I do not believe it is essential. It's now time to test this evidence in a tribunal and we are ready."
Read more at: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/supplements-saga/asada-declares-bring-on-the-afl-tribunal-hearing-20141205-1215w8.html
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A decision to subpoena Stephen Dank's private companies has sparked suggestions the anti-doping body may also be on the hunt for athletes who have bought products from the architect of the Essendon supplements program.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is not only seeking through the Supreme Court to subpoena biochemist Shane Charter and compound pharmacist Nima Alavi to attend an AFL anti-doping tribunal, but also for Dank to hand over any receipts and documents issued by his two companies while he was at Essendon until September 2012.
Danks' two private, part-owned companies are the Medical Rejuvenation Clinic and the Institute of Cellular Bioenergetics.
Dank and Edward Van Spanje are listed as directors of the rejuvenation clinic. When contacted by Fairfax Media, a man identifying himself as 'Ed' said he did not wish to comment.
It's understood the subpoena includes any documents relating to three thymosin peptides - thymosin beta 4, thymosin alpha and thymomodulin.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-subpoena-bid-could-widen-scope-of-investigation-beyond-essendon-20141206-121p1o.html
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Shut out:
AFL anti-doping hearing into past and present Bombers to be closed to public.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-08/media-shut-out-of-hearing
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Pass terrorist laws that take away everyone's rights
Keep asada meeting private as to not tell the public
Regardless its known who the 34 are and they are cheats
Much harder to sweep things open if its public
I Like it :clapping
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ASADA has lost its bid to compel Shane Charter and Nima Alavi to appear before the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal, with the Supreme Court ruling on Friday morning that it would not issue subpoenas against the key witnesses.
Justice Croft's decision is a blow to ASADA's case against the 34 players, which is set to commence in the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal on Monday.
ASADA CEO Ben McDevitt said recently that ASADA's case would not rise and fall on whether Charter and Alavi gave evidence at the Tribunal, pointing out that the anti-doping authority could rely on transcripts of their extensive interviews with the pair.
However, Star acknowledged during this week's hearing that it was preferable that Charter and Alavi appear in person at the Tribunal so their evidence could be tested under cross-examination by the players' lawyers.
Star said this week that ASADA's case against the players was essentially that: Charter had sourced the raw materials for the peptide Thymosin Beta 4; Alavi had compounded those materials into an injectable form of Thymosin Beta 4; and sports scientist Stephen Dank had supervised the injection of the banned peptide into the players.
The Anti-Doping Tribunal will sit on Monday, Wednesday and Friday next week and then resume on January 12.
See more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-12/asada-loses-witness-bid
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Meanwhile, Hird supporters have gained positions on the Essendon board via a social media campaign.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-supporters-secure-essendon-board-positions-through-social-media-campaign-20141211-1256f5.html
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Charters was approached and talked to Essendon and their lawyers on November 7 and now he wants to help their players and not ASADA.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/exclusive-star-witness-charter-in-talks-with-bombers/story-e6frg12c-1227155930052
Hmmm, I smell a rat ::).
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They're going to get away with it
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$$$$
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I will no longer follow the game if the bombres get away with this
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The poo will always stick
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gee whiz all you flogs sound like ...
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conspiracy theorists !!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
come on guys the truth will come out
in the meeting that closed to the public
;D
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I will no longer follow the game if the bombres get away with this
afl is shyte anyway
ice hockey for example is brilliant
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Does anyone really care now anyway?
They didn't achieve anything, it has stuffed the club for the last few years, they've lost their best player over it and most of their best staff.
Time to stop flogging the horse.
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Does anyone really care now anyway?
They didn't achieve anything, it has stuffed the club for the last few years, they've lost their best player over it and most of their best staff.
Time to stop flogging the horse.
thats what they were going for eh'
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gee whiz all you flogs sound like ...
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conspiracy theorists !!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
come on guys the truth will come out
in the meeting that closed to the public
;D
But that's just it - by closing it off to the public and then coming to a "convenient" resolution ie sweeping it under the carpet, they aren't covering anything or fooling anyone. People like me will simply give the afl the one fingered salute and say bubai. By covering up they hurt their brand in the long run - society doesn't accept it like they used to. Politics is the same - politicians have been bullshitting for yrs, but voters are now showing they refuse to accept blatant lies and are turfing politicians out if they are deemed to be lying scumbags.
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No matter what happens I'll hate Essendon and Hird forever. So will a fair chunk of the populous
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No matter what happens I'll hate Essendon and Hird forever. So will a fair chunk of the populous
I think their brand is stuffed for a long time regardless of the outcome imo.
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Thank goodness for the equalisation afl scheme
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Does anyone really care now anyway?
They didn't achieve anything, it has stuffed the club for the last few years, they've lost their best player over it and most of their best staff.
Time to stop flogging the horse.
I just want it to be over
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“Make no mistake, we, like everyone in this room want this matter finalised as quickly as possible,” Little said.
“But I am sure you will agree that we cannot and will not compromise the position of our players for the sake of a quick resolution simply to satisfy the broader public.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-doping-hearing-paul-little-tells-agm-end-of-saga-in-sight/story-fniv64tz-1227157197943
Yeah Little, just like how this all started with your club's injection regime :facepalm. You're still in denial and still playing the victim ::).
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Essendon chairman Paul Little says the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal could run until late January, as he revealed the club had spent $1.1 million on legal fees in 2014.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-15/dons-11m-legal-bill
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I better buy two memberships for the afl eequalisation fund
Poor efc. They are the poor unwitting victims in this debacw
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"THE AFL doping scandal is wider than previously revealed, with ASADA accusing Essendon players of taking a second banned substance and sports scientist Stephen Dank of trafficking peptides to club officials at the Gold Coast Suns and Carlton and covering up doping by a Gold Coast footballer."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/new-drug-and-two-more-clubs-in-afl-doping-saga/story-fnca0u4y-1227158596462?nk=433c491599be7794c6ffe9fbfd22e810
:lol :lol :lol :lol Carlton bunch of stuffwits who can't help but cheat
On a side note I saw an article titled "Why an Essendon victory would be a win for us all" :lol. Couldn't even bring myself to read something with such a stupid title, they don't deserve to win anything.
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Haha yeahright. Can't believe you even read the title.
Those cheats are a disgrace and have ruined the game more than any other club
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Hey anyone know whats happened with the james Hird appeal?I thought the judges were going to announce their decision prior to Xmas...Does this mean they haven't reach a majority decision?
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Hey anyone know whats happened with the james Hird appeal?I thought the judges were going to announce their decision prior to Xmas...Does this mean they haven't reach a majority decision?
Was on Ch7 earlier this week that no decision before January.
Rumours that a decision was pending was false, Ch7 asked Federal court directly and was told no decision was pending before the end of December
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If Aussies had any balls they'd blacklist essendon matches across the board.
I'm doing it.
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If Aussies had any balls they'd blacklist essendon matches across the board.
I'm doing it.
There'll be a "hashtag" campaign on twitter that will be mildly popular and an Arsebook page dedicated to urging people to do so will be set up and receive a lot of "likes"..... and that will be about it....
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Pizsweak but spot on
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This would be hilarious if it's retroactive :pray.
Drug cheats in sport face a minimum four-year ban under new rules which came into effect from 1 January.
Changes to the World Anti-Doping Code, which unifies anti-doping rules for global sports, have increased the suspension for doping from two years.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/30648392
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Would make all the postponing worth it if they got closer to 4 years than 2 :lol
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Jimmy Hird's appeal looks like it won't be wrapped up until the end of January.
So the ASADA hearing, which resumes Monday, may be finished before Hird can try to stop it :laugh:.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-bombers-hearing-to-resume-on-monday-20150110-12lgle.html
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think they will get off myself but hoping WADA comes over the top and sends it the International Court of Sports Arbitration
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think they will get off myself but hoping WADA comes over the top and sends it the International Court of Sports Arbitration
If WADA didn't complain about the penalties to Cronulla, I doubt whether they'll bother "coming over the top" for a case based on circumstantial evidence that cannot convict at its own tribunal....... :whistle
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ASADA is still presenting evidence today so this will go on for a long time yet. Interesting to see if there's any more leaks to the media despite it being a 'closed to the public' hearing. The pre-Christmas hearings leaked to the Australian that Essendon players were exchanging text messages about "Thymo" injections.
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THE AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal resumed on Monday, with ASADA calling a medical expert to give evidence in its case against 34 past and present Essendon players.
ASADA lawyer Malcolm Holmes, QC, called the specialist to give evidence on substances that are the subject of infraction notices. The witness was then cross-examined by counsel for the players.
The hearing, which is being held behind closed doors in the Victorian County Court, will continue on Tuesday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-01-12/asada-case-continues-
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/lawyers-acting-for-essendon-players-quiz-an-expert-on-thymosin-beta-4-as-afl-anti-doping-tribunal-resumes/story-fniv64tz-1227182566917
Why would the players' lawyers being quizzing the medical specialist about the properties of a prohibited drug and why it's prohibited under the WADA code if they are claiming they never ever took it in the first place? ::)
No surprise though Essendon is once again trying to get off their players off via a dodgy technicality ::).
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Sounds like typical law speak, MT.
We didn't inject it, but even if we did, it wasn't what you claim it to be ..but, even if it was, it didn't have any performance enhacing effects ... But, even if it did, it shouldn't be on the banned list anyway, because Australian experts don't know what they're talking about ...
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ASADA has finished its opening submission.
ASADA turns to second expert in Essendon supplements hearing
Jon Pierik
The Age
January 14, 2015 - 6:28PM
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has finished its opening submission in a specially convened hearing, alleging Essendon players were injected with a banned drug during the club's 2012 supplements program.
ASADA's initial case concluded on Wednesday after its counsel, Malcolm Holmes QC, called a second medical specialist to give evidence.
Holmes had turned to an endocrinologist earlier in the week to give evidence.
University of Sydney endocrinologist David Handelsman was reportedly one of the medical experts called. Handelsman has been called by ASADA in other cases and is an expert in peptides and hormones. Experts say one of his briefs may have been to confirm the drug at the centre of the case, thymosin beta-4, was banned.
It is understood Peter Fricker, a former director of the Australian Institute of Sport who is on the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel, was also to be called by ASADA to give evidence.
Fricker, a highly respected sports physician, was to discuss his 2012 meetings with Stephen Dank, the engineer of the Bombers' supplements program. This evidence, in particular, was to centre on any alleged discussions of the peptide thymosin.
Fricker took no part in reviewing the Essendon case after declaring a conflict of interest before being appointed to ADRVP early last year.
While the 34 current and former Essendon players are alleged to have been administered the banned thymosin beta-4, the players are set to argue it was a legal form of thymosin, thymosin alpha-1 or thymodulin.
ASADA's opening submission took six days, although the duration of the argument could not be used as a guide in determining the strength of its case, according to former ASADA chief Richard Ings.
"No one can judge if the ASADA case is weak or strong based on how long it takes to present. Only the tribunal can judge based on its content," he said on Twitter.
ASADA is also taking aim at Dank, accusing him of more than 30 doping violations during his time at Essendon and also at Gold Coast. This includes allegations of trafficking, administering and possessing banned peptides.
The specially convened hearing, held in private before AFL anti-doping chairman David Jones, continues on Thursday.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-turns-to-second-expert-in-essendon-supplements-hearing-20150114-12o7om.html
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Thymosin alpha 1 and thymomodulin are completely different drugs.
So which one did they take?
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No point asking the Dons what they took.they no records.
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No point asking the Dons what they took.they no records.
But they can guarantee that they didn't take the illegal one
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When you guys put it like that it really shows how ridiculous it is.
We don't know what we took, but just trust us it wasn't banned k.
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https://www.maroubrapharmacyonline.com.au/peptide-products/buy-thymosin-beta-4-australia/?gclid=CLHZ2Madl8MCFVeXvQodk30AnQ
It shows Alavi knows what he tests - so he lied!
It shows that TB4 is promoted due to its immune benefits just like Dank told Nick McKenzie in that infamous article:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html
Of course, 24 hours later he said he made a mistake and meant thymomodulin.
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What I don't I understand is why authorities are prepared to listen to so many people who appear to change their stories endlessly.
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Thymosin alpha 1 and thymomodulin are completely different drugs.
So which one did they take?
They are both legal are they not? Sounds like they are saying "we didn't take the banned Thymosin, we took one of the two legal ones but I'm not sure which"
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https://www.maroubrapharmacyonline.com.au/peptide-products/buy-thymosin-beta-4-australia/?gclid=CLHZ2Madl8MCFVeXvQodk30AnQ
It shows Alavi knows what he tests - so he lied!
It shows that TB4 is promoted due to its immune benefits just like Dank told Nick McKenzie in that infamous article:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html
Of course, 24 hours later he said he made a mistake and meant thymomodulin.
In that first link, it's interesting that Alavi keeps calling TB-4 simply as Thymosin.
Also, the molecular formula (C46 H56 N12 O6) Alavi has as TB-4 is actually GHRP-6 (also banned) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone_releasing_hexapeptide
So he could have tested GHRP-6 as well as TB-4 and called it 'thymosin'.
Then there's that site's "esteemed hormone doctor" from gawd knows where.
If it wasn't so serious it would be a comedy. You couldn't make this stuff up :rollin.
As an aside, there's a rumour doing the rounds that the lawyers representing the players have told them to prepare for suspensions. Don't worry lads the EFC has your best interests at heart ::) :facepalm.
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Suspensions for players is fine, the important thing in all this is that James Hird is exonerated
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Suspensions for players is fine, the important thing in all this is that James Hird is hung, drawn and quartered.
EFA
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Two former Essendon players embroiled in the ASADA scandal are considering taking a deal that would see them miss two games of football.
3AW's Sam McClure said exclusively on Sports Today that the pair were "very close" to accepting an offer that was currently on the table.
"That deal would involve players missing two games of football," McClure said.
"That would have huge ramifications for the rest of the Essendon players."
http://www.3aw.com.au/news/two-former-essendon-players-embroiled-in-the-asada-scandal-are-considering-taking-a-deal-20150119-12tl08.html
CURRENT and former Essendon players launched their defence at the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal on Tuesday in their case against the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
The Tribunal moved to hear opening submissions from Neil Clelland QC on behalf of two former Essendon players on Tuesday.
The remaining 32 current and former Bombers were then represented by David Grace QC.
The Tribunal also heard submissions on the admissibility of certain evidence to be considered by the Tribunal.
Lawyers for the players will argue the players were given a legal version of thymosin, thymosin alpha-1 or thymodulin.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-01-20/bombers-open-their-case
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2 games,
that's harsh!
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2 games,
that's harsh!
Worth it if it stabs the rest!!
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James Hird unlikely to win but players will be cleared, says David Galbally
Jon Pierik
The Age
January 21, 2015
Leading Melbourne lawyer David Galbally says James Hird is unlikely to succeed in his Federal Court appeal but, citing an AFL case almost 20 years old, expects the Essendon players to escape punishment before the league's anti-doping tribunal.
The anti-doping case resumed behind closed doors in the Victorian County Court on Tuesday, with David Grace, QC, representing 32 of the 34 current and former players charged with taking a banned substance, and Neil Clelland, QC, representing former Bombers Stewart Crameri and Brent Prismall, delivering their opening submissions.
Hird is also awaiting a decision from the Federal Court on his bid to overturn Justice John Middleton's ruling that the 2013 investigation by the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority into the Bombers' supplements program was lawful. Hird argues it was not, and wants the infraction notices handed to the 34 players withdrawn. That case is now before the anti-doping tribunal.
However, that three Federal Court judges have yet to release their findings on Hird's appeal in November adds to Galbally's belief that the Essendon coach won't be successful. Technically, the Federal Court could torpedo the hearing before the anti-doping panel, setting the whole process back months, even indefinitely, but Galbally believes, at best, Hird can only hope to be personally exonerated of any guilt in the injecting program devised by Stephen Dank.
"It [the appeal] could well scuttle the whole thing, but it's not going to do that. It will deal with Hird and, if anything, it may make comments which limit the way future investigations go," Galbally said on Tuesday.
"But I don't see it as shutting the whole thing down. Pragmatism will take place in being able to resolve this. Courts look at public policy as against private individuals rights. With ASADA and the AFL investigation, and with contract [over anti-doping rules] coming into it, the biggest hurdle Hird has to jump is the private contract that exists between him and the Essendon Football Club, and the Essendon Football Club and the AFL.
"That's a big hurdle because that is a voluntary contract entered into by the parties to abide by certain laws and procedures.
"A court will be reluctant to read that down, and Middleton all but said that. There are some difficulties for Hird in relation to that. The more I think about it and see the way this is going and the longer it takes to hand down the judgment, the greater the chance that he is not going to get a favourable decision.
"I would have thought that if the court was strongly of the view that it was improper conduct, and significantly improper, they [the Federal Court] might have made a statement about delaying the hearing of any cases. It's surprising the players didn't ask for a stay, pending the result. It almost implies that there is a tacit consent that their cases aren't going to be affected by it."
While not involved in either case, Galbally has intricate knowledge of the investigation, having represented former Essendon high-performance chief Dean Robinson in his successful unfair dismissal case against the Bombers.
ASADA counsel Malcolm Holmes, QC, spent six days outlining the anti-doping body's case. Galbally says proving that the banned drug thymosin beta-4 had been injected into the players would be difficult. Three of ASADA's key witnesses have refused to provide evidence in person, having given written statements.
"What I find extraordinary, and I haven't been privy to all the transcripts, but to proceed by way of transcript, rather than having the individuals called, is extraordinary except for the fact that it may well be that the lawyers representing the players have taken the view that there is nothing damaging in the transcripts," Galbally said.
"What Holmes will be able to prove is the purchase by [compound pharmacist Nima] Alavi of thymosin beta-4 and maybe the purchase by Dank of thymosin beta-4. But whether they can take it to the next step of showing whether it has gone to Essendon and then gone to the players, is another thing. That ultimately is the question. That is the evidentiary problem I see ASADA have got."
Galbally said the players had a "bona fide" defence under the AFL's rules in "that they did what they were told to do", and cited the defence he used for former Brisbane premiership star Alastair Lynch in 1998.
"That's the defence I ran with Alastair Lynch with DHEA years ago when he was charged with using DHEA, which is an anabolic steroid for chronic fatigue. There was never an issue that he did use it – it was authorised by doctors and he got off. He was acquitted because the AFL rules provided for it," he said.
"Those in charge of Essendon ticked this off. [But] nobody knows what Dank gave the players – that's the frightening thing."
ASADA maintains players, regardless of a doctor's approval, need to sure of what they were taking.
Galbally also said he had been approached by the parents of two of the 34 players asking what the legal rights of the players would be should they suffer health issues in the years ahead.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-unlikely-to-win-but-players-will-be-cleared-says-david-galbally-20150120-12ua9u.html
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Out of interest, the players' opening submission for their defence only lasted half a day as opposed to ASADA's five days.
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Out of interest, the players' opening submission for their defence only lasted half a day as opposed to ASADA's five days.
So where does it go from here?
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Out of interest, the players' opening submission for their defence only lasted half a day as opposed to ASADA's five days.
So where does it go from here?
Not sure what is next as it's all behind closed doors. If all the opening submissions and cross-examining are finished then usually they come back for closing submissions where the plaintiff's lawyer(s) will argue what specific laws/torts makes the defendants guilty with references to previous case examples that demonstrate that those particular laws/torts apply to this case; while the defendants' lawyer(s) will similarly refer to any laws/torts with case examples that they believe gets the defendants cleared. The tribunal member then adjourns the court and goes away to consider all the evidence and its legal applications. On return, he/she will give their final judgement and reasons for their decision.
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So, I'm guessing it's still a little early to expect my invitation to the necktie party?
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So, I'm guessing it's still a little early to expect my invitation to the necktie party?
Necktie party :laugh:
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James Hird unlikely to win but players will be cleared, says David Galbally
Jon Pierik
The Age
January 21, 2015
Leading Melbourne lawyer David Galbally says James Hird is unlikely to succeed in his Federal Court appeal but, citing an AFL case almost 20 years old, expects the Essendon players to escape punishment before the league's anti-doping tribunal.
The anti-doping case resumed behind closed doors in the Victorian County Court on Tuesday, with David Grace, QC, representing 32 of the 34 current and former players charged with taking a banned substance, and Neil Clelland, QC, representing former Bombers Stewart Crameri and Brent Prismall, delivering their opening submissions.
Hird is also awaiting a decision from the Federal Court on his bid to overturn Justice John Middleton's ruling that the 2013 investigation by the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority into the Bombers' supplements program was lawful. Hird argues it was not, and wants the infraction notices handed to the 34 players withdrawn. That case is now before the anti-doping tribunal.
However, that three Federal Court judges have yet to release their findings on Hird's appeal in November adds to Galbally's belief that the Essendon coach won't be successful. Technically, the Federal Court could torpedo the hearing before the anti-doping panel, setting the whole process back months, even indefinitely, but Galbally believes, at best, Hird can only hope to be personally exonerated of any guilt in the injecting program devised by Stephen Dank.
"It [the appeal] could well scuttle the whole thing, but it's not going to do that. It will deal with Hird and, if anything, it may make comments which limit the way future investigations go," Galbally said on Tuesday.
"But I don't see it as shutting the whole thing down. Pragmatism will take place in being able to resolve this. Courts look at public policy as against private individuals rights. With ASADA and the AFL investigation, and with contract [over anti-doping rules] coming into it, the biggest hurdle Hird has to jump is the private contract that exists between him and the Essendon Football Club, and the Essendon Football Club and the AFL.
"That's a big hurdle because that is a voluntary contract entered into by the parties to abide by certain laws and procedures.
"A court will be reluctant to read that down, and Middleton all but said that. There are some difficulties for Hird in relation to that. The more I think about it and see the way this is going and the longer it takes to hand down the judgment, the greater the chance that he is not going to get a favourable decision.
"I would have thought that if the court was strongly of the view that it was improper conduct, and significantly improper, they [the Federal Court] might have made a statement about delaying the hearing of any cases. It's surprising the players didn't ask for a stay, pending the result. It almost implies that there is a tacit consent that their cases aren't going to be affected by it."
While not involved in either case, Galbally has intricate knowledge of the investigation, having represented former Essendon high-performance chief Dean Robinson in his successful unfair dismissal case against the Bombers.
ASADA counsel Malcolm Holmes, QC, spent six days outlining the anti-doping body's case. Galbally says proving that the banned drug thymosin beta-4 had been injected into the players would be difficult. Three of ASADA's key witnesses have refused to provide evidence in person, having given written statements.
"What I find extraordinary, and I haven't been privy to all the transcripts, but to proceed by way of transcript, rather than having the individuals called, is extraordinary except for the fact that it may well be that the lawyers representing the players have taken the view that there is nothing damaging in the transcripts," Galbally said.
"What Holmes will be able to prove is the purchase by [compound pharmacist Nima] Alavi of thymosin beta-4 and maybe the purchase by Dank of thymosin beta-4. But whether they can take it to the next step of showing whether it has gone to Essendon and then gone to the players, is another thing. That ultimately is the question. That is the evidentiary problem I see ASADA have got."
Galbally said the players had a "bona fide" defence under the AFL's rules in "that they did what they were told to do", and cited the defence he used for former Brisbane premiership star Alastair Lynch in 1998.
"That's the defence I ran with Alastair Lynch with DHEA years ago when he was charged with using DHEA, which is an anabolic steroid for chronic fatigue. There was never an issue that he did use it – it was authorised by doctors and he got off. He was acquitted because the AFL rules provided for it," he said.
"Those in charge of Essendon ticked this off. [But] nobody knows what Dank gave the players – that's the frightening thing."
ASADA maintains players, regardless of a doctor's approval, need to sure of what they were taking.
Galbally also said he had been approached by the parents of two of the 34 players asking what the legal rights of the players would be should they suffer health issues in the years ahead.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/james-hird-unlikely-to-win-but-players-will-be-cleared-says-david-galbally-20150120-12ua9u.html
Crap reasoning from Galbally. The rules are very different now. If Lynch's case was today, the doctor would have to get a TUE to allow Lynch to use DHEA. If he didn't do that Lynch would certain feel the wrath of the tribunal. The players didn't get TUE's for TB4. So they are in trouble if it can be shown that they took the drug.
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So, I'm guessing it's still a little early to expect my invitation to the necktie party?
;D
THE AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal has spent the past two days hearing submissions from Essendon players and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority on the admissibility of certain evidence relating to the case.
David Grace QC launched the defence of the Essendon players on Tuesday before both sides called on medical specialists to give evidence on Wednesday.
The hearing will continue on Tuesday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-01-23/asadaessendon-case-to-resume-on-tuesday
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Why would a group of so obviously innocent players waste all this time arguing about the admissibility of ASADA's evidence when they could simply present their own evidence to blow the ASADA case out of the courtroom?
Even the AFL site keeps telling me in every update that ASADA has carelessly lost key witnesses without the Bombers having to reduce their stock of brown paper bags.
(Footnote: I've been reading the online versions of the Melbourne newspapers lately)
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Suspended past and present Essendon players may need AFL approval to play NAB Cup
Jake Niall
The Age
January 24, 2015
Provisionally suspended current and ex-Essendon players appear likely to require AFL Commission permission if they wish to play in the NAB Cup, with the ASADA hearing set to drag on into mid-February and unlikely to be completed until shortly before the season starts.
While there is still optimism that the tribunal case will conclude before the season proper, sources have confirmed that the case is likely to stretch on until mid-February, with the special AFL tribunal and its chairman David Jones also needing some weeks to deliver a verdict.
In the less likely event that the tribunal requires six or seven weeks to deliberate, the players would need special AFL Commission approval to play in the season proper and to comply with the doping code.
The laborious process — involving so much material, including the different accounts from 34 players, plus further written submissions and then responses — means the players will very likely need the permission of the AFL Commission to play NAB Cup. Essendon's first NAB Cup is on March 7, later than usual because of the World Cup cricket.
The commission set a precedent — and was subject to external criticism — for allowing Essendon greats Jobe Watson and Dustin Fletcher to play in the international rules series a matter of days after they were issued with infraction notices.
It is unclear whether the players concerned - about half of whom are still at Essendon - will seek permission to play in the NAB Cup, because it is also uncertain whether lifting provisional suspensions would extend any home and away penalty if the players were found guilty of doping charges, or if it would muddy any deals.
Their legal team has remained steadfast that they are not entertaining plea bargains and that the players should be cleared on the evidence, while ASADA has not offered any deals since the case went to the tribunal.
The prospect of appeals from either ASADA or the players if they lose is another complication. Under the rules, the players would be unable to play during an appeal period if they were challenging suspensions.
The case is stretching into February because the players' lawyers have to finish their case, and then both sides have to make written submissions to the tribunal, which also has to decide whether to accept into evidence the ASADA interviews with witnesses Shane Charter and Nima Alavi, who were involved in the chain of supply that allegedly saw banned substance thymosin beta-4 administered to players in 2012.
Typically, a tribunal would need weeks to deliberate on the evidence – which is the expectation in this case.
A statement from tribunal chairman Jones, issued by the AFL late on Friday, said: "The Australian Football League Anti-Doping Tribunal continued its hearing relating to the cases of past and present Essendon Football Club players and a former employee of the Essendon Football Club who have been issued with infraction notices.
"The tribunal continued to hear submissions from the parties on the admissibility of certain evidence to be considered by the Tribunal."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/suspended-past-and-present-essendon-players-may-need-afl-approval-to-play-nab-cup-20150123-12x5yk.html
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Je Suis Essendon
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The case against the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, having already been held over three weeks in camera at the Victorian County Court, still has much to play out.
The Bombers open their NAB Challenge against St Kilda on Saturday March 7 at Morwell Recreation Reserve. They also face Greater Western Sydney and Melbourne through the pre-season program.
With the possibility a verdict won't be reached by then, not to mention the prospect of an appeal by either party, the AFL will need to decide whether to lift the provisional suspensions the players have received since being hit with infraction notices, allowing them to play.
This could prove to be a dilemma for the AFL, as suggested by former ASADA chief Richard Ings when he took to Twitter on Saturday.
"Poor AFL. If they extend Ess provisional suspensions into NAB Challenge they will be criticised. If they don't, they will be criticised," he said.
"I do think the AFL need to accept that these ASADA matters will drag well into a 3rd AFL season.
"There is practically no chance these ASADA v players matters being finalised and non appealed by first NAB Challenge matches."
Any ruling would also have an impact on former Essendon players now at other clubs - Western Bulldog Stewart Crameri and Port Adelaide's Paddy Ryder and Angus Monfries.
The AFL had been criticised by some for allowing Jobe Watson and Dustin Fletcher to take part in the International Rules series after they had been issued with infraction notices for allegedly being administered the banned drug, thymosin beta-4.
AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon did not respond to comment on Saturday when asked about the possibility of lifting provisional suspensions.
If the AFL lift the provisional suspensions - ASADA will have input into this but it's a league call - this could impact on any ultimate penalty handed out by the AFL anti-doping tribunal. If the players were to appeal any ban, the rules stipulate they could not play during this period.
The AFL and rival clubs, tired of dealing with a saga now into its third year, would have hoped to have had any decision resolved by the time the Bombers open their NAB Challenge, let alone the home-and-away campaign against the Swans on April 4.
The league may have to enact their "doomsday scenario" should they opt to not lift provisional suspensions, possibly allowing the Bombers to draft state-based players from the likes of the VFL, WAFL and SANFL to fill their list. The league may also need to rule on whether the Bombers are given special salary-cap dispensation, while a lack of star power could impact on their broadcast rights agreement.
The anti-doping hearing, in which the architect of the 2012 supplements program Stephen Dank has also been charged, resumes on Tuesday.
Bombers coach James Hird is also awaiting a ruling on his Federal Court appeal against the legality of the joint AFL and ASADA investigation in 2013.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-focus-on-fitness-as-court-cases-swirl-20150124-12xes9.html
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Just wondering, OE, on this auspicious day when Phil the Dill has been made a Knight of the Order of Australia, whether the players and the AFL might together be stalling the tribunal until Golden Boy's appeal has been determined and announced?
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Essendon’s 2015 preparation won’t be disrupted by AFL anti-doping hearing, says James Hird
Mark Robinson
Herald-Sun
January 27, 2015
ESSENDON will ask the AFL to lift the provisional suspensions of about 18 Essendon players to allow them to play in the NAB Challenge series.
There is a growing possibility the AFL’s anti-doping hearing — and verdict — involving the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority and charges against 34 past and present Essendon players will not be finished ahead of Essendon’s opening NAB Challenge game against St Kilda on March 7.
The players are currently suspended after being issued infraction notices by the AFL, although the AFL did allow Jobe Watson and Dustin Fletcher to compete in the International Rules series in November a short time after the infraction notices were delivered.
If the AFL rejects Essendon’s request, the Bombers could go into the season without having played a high-level practice match against real opposition.
The AFL has acknowledged the hearing will take longer than most observers thought, but remained confident it would be finalised before the season proper, which starts on April 2.
If the verdict was not delivered ahead of Round 1, the AFL Commission would be in the extraordinary situation of having to decide to lift suspensions of deny the Essendon players from playing.
If it was the latter, the 2015 season would be in tailspin from the first weekend.
Bombers chief executive Xavier Campbell and AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan will discuss the matter this week.
Campbell indicated Essendon’s intention to have the suspensions lifted for the pre-season games.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendons-2015-preparation-wont-be-disrupted-by-afl-anti-doping-hearing-says-james-hird/story-fndv8gad-1227197061404
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Just wondering, OE, on this auspicious day when Phil the Dill has been made a Knight of the Order of Australia, whether the players and the AFL might together be stalling the tribunal until Golden Boy's appeal has been determined and announced?
It'll probably work out that way, Muscles, with Hird's appeal over in the next few days but IMO if the anti-doping hearing was actually concerned with Hird's appeal then they wouldn't have started it until after Hird's appeal was completed. I think they know Hird's appeal will eventually be thrown out so there was no point waiting for it.
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We'll get the result of the James Hird appeal at 2.15pm on Friday from the Full Federal Court.
https://twitter.com/MattThompson
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Mark Thompson has revealed that Essendon chairman Paul Little urged him to consider coaching the club full-time if James Hird's contract was terminated.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-01-29/bombers-coach-quandary
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ESSENDON players facing infraction notices are likely to learn their fate within a month after a timetable to resolve their case was set at the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal.
All closing submissions – from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, the players and the AFL – are due to be lodged and heard by February 18, at which point the Tribunal will adjourn to consider its decision.
The tribunal has been hearing anti-doping charges against 34 current and former Essendon players and one former Bombers official.
It adjourned on Thursday until February 16.
Before then, it will take written submissions from ASADA (by February 5), the players’ lawyers (February 12) and the AFL (February 14).
The tribunal, chaired by former county court judge David Jones, has set aside two days to hear oral closing submissions from February 16 and is expected to again adjourn to consider its decision on February 18.
It is expected those deliberations will take weeks — and up to a month.
If a guilty verdict is returned for any or all of the players, sanctions hearings would then be set, almost certainly in March.
It is believed the players could elect to have sanctions hearings conducted individually.
Former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank is the official facing doping charges. He has not attended the tribunal.
There is no timetable for the Tribunal to make its ruling. The Bombers launch their NAB Challenge campaign on March 7. Essendon’s season proper begins on Saturday April 4 against Sydney.
Should any of the 34 current and former Essendon players or the former Essendon employee facing infraction notices be found to have breached the AFL Anti-Doping Code, a hearing would follow to set a sanction.
While the finish line appears in sight, the prospect of further legal challenges following a finding makes it possible for the players to remain in limbo going into the 2015 season, which launches on April 2.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-01-29/asadadons-dday-looms
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/afl-anti-doping-hearing-involving-essendon-players-and-asada-on-hold/story-fniv64tz-1227201050379
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Thanks for posting all these updates, OE! They're keeping me entertained. Seems like the AFL needs to find an elegant way to lift these provisional suspensions that prevents players from
training, playing for their country, taking advantage of the facilities of their club, working with their coaches, attending club meetings ..... well, something anyway .....
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Essendon players could boycott NAB Challenge games if AFL backdates anti-doping bans
Mark Robinson & Grant Baker
Herald-Sun
January 30, 2015
ESSENDON players will refuse to run out for NAB Challenge games unless the AFL guarantees to backdate any anti-doping suspensions to last September.
About 18 players facing charges remain at Essendon — almost half the club’s primary list.
The Herald Sun revealed this week Essendon would lobby the AFL to have the players’ provisional suspensions lifted for the NAB Challenge.
But the players will not take the field unless a backdating guarantee is given.
The Bombers last played a premiership match in September.
It is understood evidence from biochemist Shane Charter and compounding chemist Nima Alavi has been ruled admissible by the AFL tribunal this week — but it is expected be given less weight because the pair has refused to appear and could not be cross-examined.
Read more at: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-could-boycott-nab-challenge-games-if-afl-backdates-anti-doping-bans/story-fndv8gad-1227201050379
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So don't run out. Your problem Essendon. Hurt your brand some more.
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ESSENDON players will refuse to run out for NAB Challenge games unless the AFL guarantees to backdate any anti-doping suspensions to last September.
So the players didn't want to enter into any deal and now if they're found guilty they want basically the terms of the deal anyway? The delusion at Bummerland knows no bounds. :o :o :o
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Hmmm different tactics from the Bombers, now they are not going to turn up at the start of the season
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Need another bucket of popcorn. 8)
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It is understood evidence from biochemist Shane Charter and compounding chemist Nima Alavi has been ruled admissible by the AFL tribunal this week — but it is expected be given less weight because the pair has refused to appear and could not be cross-examined.
Got to love how Robbo adds his opinion onto a fact :wallywink. The fact Alavi and Charter's evidence has now been ruled admissible is significant and not good news for the Bombers' players. The judge could have easily dismissed it given both Alavi and Charters are absent from the hearing and not able to be cross-examined. By allowing the evidence, the judge is putting weight on it.
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ESSENDON players will refuse to run out for NAB Challenge games unless the AFL guarantees to backdate any anti-doping suspensions to last September.
So the players didn't want to enter into any deal and now if they're found guilty they want basically the terms of the deal anyway? The delusion at Bummerland knows no bounds. :o :o :o
From the outside, it looks like the Essendon players now think they will be found guilty and are trying to avoid playing any games in 2015 so to get any punishment they receive backdated to the last game they played (Sept. 2014 Elim. Final vs North).
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So much for preparing as per normal. :lol
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So much for preparing as per normal. :lol
;D
The deranged Orwellian world of the EFC:
* We take full responsibility for what has happened but we will continue to live in denial and take to court anyone who says we're responsible.
* We can't wait for all to be revealed and have our say but we will take action to block the ASADA investigation and have its evidence suppressed.
* We care deeply about the game's reputation and seek a quick resolution but we will drag this scandal out for years in the courts.
* We will fight to keep our players from missing any games but we will boycott games.
::)
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;D
* We don't know what our players took but we are sure that it wasn't a banned substance.
* It's the AFL's fault because they didn't stop us from doing something which wasn't wrong.
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James Hird appeal dismissed
Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
January 30, 2015 2:16 PM
JAMES Hird has failed in his Federal Court appeal to have the joint AFL-ASADA investigation into Essendon's 2012 supplements program declared unlawful.
Federal Court Justice Susan Kenny delivered the unanimous judgment on Friday.
The decision means the Anti-Doping Tribunal hearing in relation to infraction notices issued to 34 past and present Essendon players and one former employee of the club will proceed according to a timetable released on Thursday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-01-30/hird-fails-in-appeal
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Hope selfish Jim Hird accepts this decision :banghead
Court today was over in approx 8 mins
Now that's what I call a whack..a big whack
Just like last time, WHACKETY, WHACK :clapping
Maybe now the EFC will realise their players are in big strife, massive strife and that maybe it's time to rid itself of the cause and try and help said players instead of being so protective of an incredibly selfish individual
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Inb4 another appeal
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Hope selfish Jim Hird accepts this decision :banghead
Court today was over in approx 8 mins
Now that's what I call a whack..a big whack
Just like last time, WHACKETY, WHACK :clapping
Maybe now the EFC will realise their players are in big strife, massive strife and that maybe it's time to rid itself of the cause and try and help said players instead of being so protective of an incredibly selfish individual
No surprise it was thrown out quickly. The fact Jimmy and Tania didn't bother showing up today meant they knew they had lost. No chance to sook to the cameras and blame everyone else ::). A ridiculous and, as you say WP, a selfish appeal that just wasted everyone's time and EFC money. In some ways it astounds me how many Bomber fans continue to accept their club's money being peeed up the wall like this on one narcissistic individual. Nothing but a cult at Windy Hill :sleep.
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It just keeps getting better :lol
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2015-01-30/update-from-chairman-paul-little
"In response to media speculation about our participation in the NAB Challenge series, it is important to clarify that any suggestion we will not be playing is premature."
Erm....if its premature then why, 24 hours ago, threaten to boycott the game???
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Pass a bucket :facepalm
James Hird considering High Court action seems staggering, but it’s not about money for Essendon coach, writes Mark Robinson.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-considering-high-court-action-seems-staggering-but-its-not-about-money-for-essendon-coach-writes-mark-robinson/story-fndv7pj3-1227202676160
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(http://m.quickmeme.com/img/29/293344f48efe539b968f7883b2585494bf7426c9d092c7af894a1efd0b14aba4.jpg)
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:lol
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Malakies football club. ;D
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Another great summary of what occurred at appeal at http://sociallitigator.com/ (http://sociallitigator.com/)
Amongst many other things, it says it'll cost Golden Boy about $100k to even seek leave to appeal .... and out of every 10 who seek leave, it's typically only granted to two ...
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Dr YBB, need a link to the BF post especially in light of what you are suggesting was removed
Until you supply it your post is removed and I have it saved away from the foum
With out a link it is a rumour, a nasty one at that; that falls in what we call the grey legal area so unless you can supply the appropriate link then to it has to go
Know people think we (especially me) over react on these things but believe we don't. All we do is follow the legal advice that we've been given
Sorry.
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It's not your fault it's the sooks who complain over a little internet defamation
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Just pretend Dalhaus is Essendon:
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/03/16/1226598/847993-richmond-v-western-bulldogs.jpg)
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Dr YBB, need a link to the BF post especially in light of what you are suggesting was removed
Until you supply it your post is removed and I have it saved away from the foum
With out a link it is a rumour, a nasty one at that; that falls in what we call the grey legal area so unless you can supply the appropriate link then to it has to go
Know people think we (especially me) over react on these things but believe we don't. All we do is follow the legal advice that we've been given
Sorry.
The poster was Go_Blues!. He has contacts with one of the 34 players it seems. He followed up with this post to reiterate the official ASADA evidence that was removed earlier. Search for his posts on this page.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bruce-francis.1083004/page-121
I'm not sure why posts that name no individual player or players have to be removed. I cannot see how they can be defamatory if nobody is mentioned.
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Do - no - mite :gobdrop
Good nite Essendon if true
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I'm not sure why posts that name no individual player or players have to be removed. I cannot see how they can be defamatory if nobody is mentioned.
Quite easily I am afraid. Based on history and issues we have had to deal with regarding this site, quite easily indeed. What's the old saying? "once bitten..." We got bitten, we act very quickly now.
Please understand we can only go by the legal advice we've rec'd and when it comes to this sort of stuff our advice was very very clear and as such we do the things that what we do at all times based on what's best for OER
Posting a link is in the main enough, but having said that even posting a link is still no guarantee as we found out
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I'm not sure why posts that name no individual player or players have to be removed. I cannot see how they can be defamatory if nobody is mentioned.
Quite easily I am afraid. Based on history and issues we have had to deal with regarding this site, quite easily indeed. What's the old saying? "once bitten..." We got bitten, we act very quickly now.
Please understand we can only go by the legal advice we've rec'd and when it comes to this sort of stuff our advice was very very clear and as such we do the things that what we do at all times based on what's best for OER
Posting a link is in the main enough, but having said that even posting a link is still no guarantee as we found out
Fair enough. :thumbsup
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WP are you able in a few words tell us what the legal people tell you on this?By having a link does it mean the assertion /statement made is out in the public domain and thus not just heresay
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Could you maybe outline the previous incident in general terms?
I always find it hard to work out exactly what sort of stuff you refer to.
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WP are you able in a few words tell us what the legal people tell you on this?By having a link does it mean the assertion /statement made is out in the public domain and thus not just heresay
I think we've explained this many many times ...but....
Providing a link means it is the public domain and therefore we are not starting an unsubstantiated rumour or here say
As we have said many times posting something that cannot be substantiated by facts even in jest opens us up to possible legal action. Here we are talking about illegal activities, off field incidents, some thing that can damage a persons reputation etc
Just on 2 years ago now we had to deal with threat of legal action over a thread that was over 5 years old. Legal reps were checking all forum like this one to search for any type of reference to an incident where one of the news service reported something that was later proved to be false. In that case a link was posted here but it didn't stop us from being contacted. The news site had removed their references to the incident but it was never publicised and as a result we hadn't removed what was posted here.
That incident was an incredibly stressful time for us and we faced the real possibility of not only the site being closed down but ending up in court with a lawsuit.
Anyone who thinks that forums are not constantly being looked at by legal firms are kidding themselves
Our approach is very simple if it is out there in the public on a reputable source eg the main News sites then it can be posted and people can comment on it as long as they stick to the facts as known. However, we are certainly more vigilant if new services change there reporting of things now. If things reported change then we act.
In the simplest of terms posting a rumour that cannot be backed up and that can be claimed to be defamatory then we remove it. Because that's what we've been told is the best thing for the site. Anything that we are unsure or falls into what we call the grey area gets removed. No "ifs", "buts" or "maybes"
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to be honest Ive always felt that moderators of every site err badly by not deleting contentious threads, especially those that are not active. Delete Delete Delete.
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Is there no end to the delusion - this made me flat out LOL
http://www.sen.com.au/news/robbo-guaranteed-backdated-suspensions-or-dons-boycott (http://www.sen.com.au/news/robbo-guaranteed-backdated-suspensions-or-dons-boycott)
Robbo: Guaranteed backdated suspensions or Dons boycott
Essendon players will not participate in any AFL-sanctioned games unless they are guaranteed any possible suspensions will be backdated to last year, says Mark Robinson.
The chief football writer for the Herald Sun believes the Bombers will not participate unless they can be assured any suspension will start from the last time they played in 2014.
“If Essendon is playing in the NAB Challenge and this hearing hasn’t handed down its decision, then if they play and there is no backdating then that would be deemed their last game (from where the suspension would start),” explained Robinson on SEN radio.
“So the players, I’ve been told, will not play unless they get a guarantee it will be backdated.”
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That's not how penalties work, slobbo.
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to be honest Ive always felt that moderators of every site err badly by not deleting contentious threads, especially those that are not active. Delete Delete Delete.
Can we have a chance to cut and paste a few pearlers before they are taken down. I want to quote them when we win the flag.
That's not how penalties work, slobbo.
:laugh:
Did anyone at Essendon actually say that? Or is blobbo just yelling out ideas from the peanut gallery and hoping the board might take them on?
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Did anyone at Essendon actually say that? Or is blobbo just yelling out ideas from the peanut gallery and hoping the board might take them on?
This.
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James Hird has left the door ajar for an appeal to the High Court over his failed bid to have the ASADA doping case against 35 present and former Bombers players ruled unlawful.
"It has cost me a lot of money," he told Channel Seven on Monday.
"It's money we have to go out and find."
Hird said he "reserved the right" to take the matter to the High Court.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-02/hirds-high-thoughts
James Hird reveals heavy toll
7Sport February 2, 2015, 6:45 pm
James Hird has revealed the personal cost of his ongoing battle against the ASADA doping investigation, but has refused to back down and hinted at another legal appeal.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/video/watch/26178494/james-hird-reveals-heavy-toll/
:nopity
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The Windy Hill cult lives on :rollin.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8vMbc9CIAAh8uT.jpg)
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http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045448
http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045451
http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045482
I won't re-post the contents here but if it's true that a current or former Essendon player has sung like a canary to ASADA about TB4 then the 18 players involved are officially stuffed.
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http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045448
http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045451
http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045482
I won't re-post the contents here but if it's true that a current or former Essendon player has sung like a canary to ASADA about TB4 then the 18 players involved are officially stuffed.
:gobdrop
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Please please please let it be true!!
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Too funny, the entertainment value jut keeps rolling on
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With apologies to REM ...
That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Hird and Dank, a 'Weapon', and 'vitamins' McVeigh is not afraid
Eye of a hurricane, listen to their fans churn
Footy club serves its own needs, don't misserve your players' needs
Feed PEDS up for a knock, speed, grunt, no, strength
The ladder starts to clatter with a fear of height, down, height
Wire in a fire, represent the twenty-two games
And supplements for hire and a clinic off-site
Left them, wasn't coming in a hurry with the Feds breathing down your neck
Team by team, reporters baffled, trumped, tethered, cropped
Look at that low bomber, fine, then
Uh-oh, injury overflow, popping hammies common in group
But it'll do, save yourself, serve yourself
Hird serves his own needs, listen to his heart bleed
Tell me with the Rapture and the reverent in the right, right
You vitriolic, narcissistic, slam fight, not-so-bright light
Feeling pretty psyched
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it, and I feel fine
Six o'clock, TV news hour, don't get caught now-er
Slash and burn records, listen to yourself churn
Lock players in waiver form, book burning, bloodletting
Every motive escalate, medicals incinerate
Light a candle, light a motive, step down, step down
Watch your heel crush, crush, uh-oh
This means total fear, cavalier, renegade and steering clear
A tournament, a tournament, a tournament of lies
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives, and Dank declined
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it, and I feel fine
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it, and I feel fine
The other night Hird dreamt a nice high court challenge guide
Judges sit in a line, Charters, Alavi,
Dank, Thompson, Reid, McVeigh and Kyle Reimers
Birthday party, AOD, thymoslin beta 4, boom!
You symbiotic, narcissistic, slam but neck, right? Right
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it, and I feel fine
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it, and I feel fine
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it, and I feel fine
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it
It's the end of the Bombers as we know it, and I feel fine
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Ego-driven Hird 'hurting the AFL' - Tadhg Kennelly
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/ego-driven-hird-hurting-the-afl/tabid/91/newsid/153157/default.aspx?cid=SF_LOWDOWN_AFL_article_egodrivenhirdhurtingtheafl_030215
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http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045448
http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045451
http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045482
I won't re-post the contents here but if it's true that a current or former Essendon player has sung like a canary to ASADA about TB4 then the 18 players involved are officially stuffed.
this the same poster's information I posted about the other day.......
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Essendon lobbying the AFL to allow players accused of doping to play in NAB Challenge
Michael Warner
Herald-Sun
February 04, 2015 8:00PM
ASADA has told the AFL it will not support a special deal allowing Essendon players accused of doping to take part in NAB Challenge games.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority is adamant players participating in the pre-season competition should lose their right to backdated bans if later found guilty by an AFL tribunal.
Bombers chiefs are lobbying the AFL Commission to allow the players to take the field without breaching provisional suspensions.
The provisional suspensions could save players five months or more from any ban that might be imposed by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal.
Provisional suspensions were slapped on 34 former and current Essendon players last November when they were issued with infraction notices.
ASADA’s firm stance increases the risk the Essendon 34 would face greater time on the sidelines during the premiership season if they played in NAB Challenge matches.
Representatives of the players confirmed they would not play in the pre-season series unless the AFL could guarantee backdated suspensions.
It can be revealed the entire Essendon playing list is considering withdrawing from the NAB Challenge as a sign of solidarity and to protect the identity of teammates facing bans.
Up to 20 players on doping charges remain at Essendon — almost half the club’s primary list.
A handful of players who have shifted clubs since 2012, including Western Bulldogs forward Stewart Crameri and Port Adelaide ruckman Paddy Ryder, also face bans of up to two years.
Essendon remains hopeful a compromise arrangement can be reached with the AFL and the tribunal before the club’s first NAB Challenge match against St Kilda in Morwell on March 7.
Bombers chief executive Xavier Campbell said: “It is premature to comment on how the issue of provisional suspension may or may not impact upon player availability for the NAB Challenge. Our immediate priority remains working closely with our players, the AFLPA and the AFL to gain greater clarity around this complex matter.”
The three-man AFL anti-doping tribunal panel, chaired by former County Court judge David Jones, is not expected to deliver its verdict until late March, just days before the start of the premiership season.
If all or some of the 34 players are found guilty, ASADA will make submissions to the tribunal on what it deems is an appropriate penalty.
Backdated suspensions can be handed down, as was the case with Cronulla players in the NRL, but some time must be served.
The final ruling rests with the AFL tribunal, but all parties, including the World Anti-Doping Agency, can appeal.
The AFL’s decision to allow Bombers pair Jobe Watson and Dustin Fletcher to play in last year’s International Rules Test against Ireland could be another complicating factor in determining penalties.
Essendon chairman Paul Little said last week: “As it stands, our players who have been issued with infraction notices can have their provisional suspensions lifted at the discretion of the AFL Commission.
“However, it is unclear if this would impact the ability of a player to use this time against a potential sanction in the event of a guilty finding.”
The AFL’s Anti-Doping Code states that players issued with infraction notices must be provisionally suspended unless “otherwise determined by the AFL Commission”.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-lobbying-the-afl-to-allow-players-accused-of-doping-to-play-in-nab-challenge/story-fndv8gad-1227208234980
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http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045448
http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045451
http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37744-the-essendon-34-on-trial/page-41#entry1045482
I won't re-post the contents here but if it's true that a current or former Essendon player has sung like a canary to ASADA about TB4 then the 18 players involved are officially stuffed.
this the same poster's information I posted about the other day.......
Whether that particular rumour is true or not (I hope it is, YaBB ;D ), it's pretty clear now that the Bomber players believe they are likely to face suspensions given the discussion over whether they should play preseason games or not.
What's also clear is Hird and Essendon have pathetically caused this saga to drag out for more than two years in their deluded, self-centred and futile attempts to avoid any responsibility and blame everyone else ::). Add to this, the players now also have themselves to blame as they've stupidly once again trusted the phoney promises and assurances of an organisation that abused and broke their trust in the first place with its dodgy supplement program.
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Dank today was still trying to play the victim of a conspiracy theory ::).
Stephen Dank says AFL, ASADA 'constructed' story to incriminate he and Essendon Bombers in supplements saga
ABC PM
By David Mark
Thu 5 Feb 2015, 8:48pm
AUDIO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkYxewGR-As
Controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank believes the AFL and ASADA "constructed" a story to incriminate he and the Essendon Bombers in the supplements saga, and says he plans on bringing the perpetrators to justice.
Dank, whose involvement in the Bombers' infamous supplements program in 2012 has seen him avoid media attention in recent years, claimed ASADA fabricated the claims against he and the club to serve its own purpose.
"Don't be fooled into thinking that this story started on the 5th of February, 2013," Dank told the ABC's PM program, referring to the day Essendon self-reported its 2012 supplements program to the AFL, which was two days before the Australian Crime Commission and ASADA revealed information of what they called 'widespread doping' in the country on what became known as the 'darkest day in Australian sport'.
"They tried to sit down and construct a story so they could have an ending that would suit their means, obviously try and incriminate me to all ends of the Earth and at the same time try and construct an ending which would allow the players to walk.
"'I've got no problems with the players being allowed to walk because the players have done nothing wrong.
"But the thing that I've found that's sometimes been comical, is the fact that we're having a due process which has followed no process... and certainly we've had a process which has been devoid of anything that resembles proper judicial processes."
Dank has worked as a sport scientist for a number of football clubs, most notably Essendon and Cronulla, and is alleged to be the figurehead of the Bombers' 2012 supplements program, which ASADA claims featured the use of banned substances.
Essendon staff and players are in the process of fronting an AFL anti-doping tribunal, but Dank described the evidence currently being used in the case against the club as "comical".
"I laugh a little bit about some of the evidence that I'm being told is being presented at the moment at the AFL tribunal because it's evidence which in no way, shape or form is real, in no way, shape or form has any basis and to be honest, in no way, shape or form has had any real meaning in relation to the true facts of the case as it happens," he said.
"And yet these particular players have been subjected to this process.
"I think James Hird said it immaculately well the other day, that these particular players and his support staff have rights which are currently well below that of the average Australian citizen.
"I mean, I find it quite comical because a lot of it is so far from the truth.
"But of course the part that I don't find comical is the fact that these 34 players have needed to be subjected to this."
Dank also revealed he received an infraction notice from the AFL late last year.
ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt revealed earlier in the year that Dank's name had been placed on the Register of Findings, which is the precursor to a sport issuing an infraction notice.
But Dank told PM he had not responded to the AFL's infraction notice and that AFL had not pursued the matter.
While Essendon coach Hird is weighing up High Court action after unsuccessful appeals against the AFL and ASADA investigation into the club, Dank noted his intentions to see "certain people, certain bodies brought to justice".
Hird's case accuses ASADA of unlawfully using the AFL's power to force players into answering questions, but Dank refused to go into specifics about what a potential case would entail.
"I think it's pretty fair to say that this whole process has left the boundaries of simply damages and defamation action," he said.
"As I said, I'm not going to go into specifics, but as I said we want certain people, certain bodies brought to justice for what they've done throughout all of this.
"We don't just want to win defamation cases and damages cases. We want to bring people to the judicial process who need to be put under full investigation for their actions throughout this whole investigation.
"So this goes quite high and quite wide and it's when those particular people are brought to justice I'll be a lot more happier about saying the job's been done."
Closing submissions at the AFL anti-doping tribunal are set to be heard on February 18, with a verdict not guaranteed to be reached by the time the Bombers start their AFL season on April 4.
Dank seems unlikely to give evidence at the tribunal, nor will he opt to publicly give his side of the story.
"Simply to air it publicly isn't going to bring about justice and that was one reason why we didn't bother to venture into the quasi-judicial system of the kangaroo court involving the AFL tribunal and ASADA," he said.
"I mean, that can only be realised in a proper judicial process associated with a court of law.
"So I think it's laughable to suggest I would simply air my view or simply turn up to something as ridiculous as the AFL tribunal and think that justice is going to be done."
Dank was once again quizzed over whether he ever administered banned drugs to any players at Essendon or Cronulla, and his answer was an emphatic "no".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-05/afl-and-asada-constructed-story-to-incriminate-bombers-dank-says/6074058
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If Dank has nothing to hide the where has he been for the last two years?
He's had his chance to reveal all but still seems very un willing to put a thing forward under oath.....
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Mirrors, smoke, and a heap of poo blokes
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If Dank has nothing to hide the where has he been for the last two years?
He's had his chance to reveal all but still seems very un willing to put a thing forward under oath.....
Just more pathetic and empty rhetoric from Dank. It was only two months ago he was supposedly 'quite happy' to attend the anti-doping tribunal to give evidence but of course he's now refused to show up ::).
From December 3, 2014:
“I spoke to him (Dank) this morning. I speak to him quite regularly,” legal academic Martin Hardie told radio station 3AW.
“From what I understand, he’s quite happy to go before the tribunal and give evidence.
“He believes that when his evidence is heard it will be clear that there’s been no doping.
“He has offered to assist the players, to give evidence and even told the tribunal that he’d like the hearing to be in public.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-03/i-wont-give-evidence
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Former Bombers, Ryder and Monfries, to sit out of Port's first two NAB Cup games.
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Paddy Ryder will not wear the Port Adelaide jumper in official battle until the NAB Challenge summer Showdown with Adelaide on March 21 — and that is on the proviso the new headline act at Alberton is not banned by the AFL anti-doping tribunal.
The Advertiser has confirmed Ryder and fellow Power forward Angus Monfries are among the 34 current and former Essendon players subject to a provisional ban from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
This sanction applies until the anti-doping tribunal rules on the Bombers doping saga in mid-March.
By that time, Port Adelaide will have played two NAB Challenge games — against West Coast at Norwood Oval on March 8 and Richmond at Lavington on March 14.
The Power could seek exemptions from the AFL Commission for Ryder and Monfries to play in the pre-season trial games.
But this option carries the risk of Monfries and Ryder losing the chance to backdate any possible ban from the anti-doping tribunal.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-is-forced-to-delay-unveiling-of-recruit-paddy-ryder-because-of-afl-anti-doping-tribunal/story-fndv8s6g-1227209447716
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Just further signs that the players themselves are expecting suspensions.
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Pre-season break for former Bomber Stewart Crameri looms
Jake Niall
The Age
February 7, 2015
The Western Bulldogs are seriously considering removing Stewart Crameri from the NAB Challenge to avoid losing the opportunity of an undisputed backdated penalty.
The Bulldogs seem unlikely to apply to have Crameri's provisional suspension lifted for pre-season games. This follows Port Adelaide's decision to let Paddy Ryder and Angus Monfries sit out the first two games of the NAB Challenge while the ASADA tribunal case is running.
Under the rules, players are provisionally suspended but can apply to have the suspensions lifted. This step however could compromise any penalty if the players are found guilty, or a potential deal.
Essendon's situation is far more complicated because of the number of players with provisional suspensions. They may need top-up players to field a team in the pre-season if the club opted not to apply to have the bans lifted.
There are 17 or 18 listed Essendon players who are under provisional suspensions as a result of infraction notices issued in November.
If the players are given suspensions of six months, which would include discounts for co-operation, much of this could be backdated from the time when infractions were issued.
The AFL set a precedent by allowing Jobe Watson and Dustin Fletcher to play in the international rules series against the Irish, only days after the 34 current and former Essendon received infraction notices.
The players' legal team has been increasingly optimistic the players will beat the charges but the case still has some weeks to go and will not conclude until shortly before the home-and-away season.
Port Adelaide is hoping the case will be settled before their final NAB Challenge on March 21 against Adelaide.
The Bulldogs do not have the same concerns about confidentiality as Essendon.
Cramer and ex-VFL player Brent Prismall were happy to have the ASADA tribunal case open to the public, but the 32 other Essendon players and their legal representatives wanted the hearing closed.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/preseason-break-for-stewart-crameri-looms-20150206-1386u5.html
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Richmond chief Brendon Gale says Essendon would be foolish to pull out of NAB Challenge
Michael Warner
Herald-Sun
February 07, 2015
RICHMOND chief executive Brendon Gale says Essendon would be “foolish” and “shortsighted” to pull out of the NAB Challenge.
The Tigers boss weighed into the doping saga on Friday, saying he doubted the entire Bombers playing list would make good on their threat to sit out the pre-season competition.
“I don’t think they’ll go on strike,” Gale told SEN.
“I think it would be shortsighted and a bit foolish.”
The Bombers are waiting on the AFL to rule whether a group of 20 players serving provisional suspensions will be permitted to run out for NAB Challenge matches.
Talks between AFL legal counsel Andrew Dillon and Essendon were held on Thursday.
If cleared to take part, the players are also demanding a league guarantee that future doping suspensions can be backdated to last year.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has told the AFL it does not support a special NAB Challenge deal.
ASADA yesterday submitted its final submission to the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal where 34 former and current Essendon players are accused of using a banned peptide in 2012.
A verdict from the tribunal is due in late March on the eve of the premiership season.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-chief-brendon-gale-says-essendon-would-be-foolish-to-pull-out-of-nab-challenge/story-fndv8t7m-1227210871795
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B-B-B-B Benny and the Jets
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If the players are given suspensions of six months, which would include discounts for co-operation, much of this could be backdated from the time when infractions were issued.
Would be a complete joke :banghead :banghead :banghead. Been training this whole time (apart from the break everyone gets) and will be back by round 5(?). Would have to be an unprecedented fine put onto the club to make it seem even remotely fair otherwise all they get is a slap on the wrist.
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Essendon 34 won't play in NAB Challenge
Jake Niall
The Age
February 11, 2015
The remaining Essendon players who are facing doping charges at the tribunal will not seek to have their provisional suspensions lifted to play in the NAB Challenge.
The Essendon contingent – which Fairfax Media believes consists of 17 of the 34 players from 2012 who received infraction notices – thus will not play in the AFL's pre-season competition for at least the first two games of the NAB Challenge while the tribunal deliberates. But the AFL and the Bombers are still working through whether the club will field a team in the NAB challenge at all and how this could be managed.
Source confirmed that Essendon players will not seek to have their provisional suspensions lifted because ASADA is unwilling to exclude the pre-season games from any backdated penalty. The players would potentially risk missing more "real" home-and-away games if they play pre-season games and are found guilty by the tribunal.
In effect, the Essendon players are taking the same position as Port Adelaide's Patrick Ryder and Angus Monfries, who have withdrawn from the NAB Challenge for at least the first two games – while Bulldog Stewart Crameri, too, is unlikely to seek to play in the pre-season competition. Ryder, Monfries and Crameri are the only ex-Essendon players still in the AFL system with infractions.
Essendon will require top up players to field a team against StKilda on March 7 – with its VFL team likely to be first port of call to make up the numbers.
Essendon has 45 players on their senior and rookie lists, of which an estimated 17 are facing the tribunal – the 34 evenly divided between those at the club and those who have left. It has a further eight from 2012 who did not receive infractions.
That would leave 28 players on the Essendon list who could play in the pre-season, but the club has several players injured, and will need top-up players to be able to field a full team.
AFL and Essendon officials were in discussions on Tuesday about whether the club would participate in the NAB Challenge, the players having threatened to withdraw completely – removing the entire list from the pre-season games.
Under the rules, the 34 players are provisionally suspended from playing in all football competitions and those in the AFL can apply to have the suspension lifted so they can play.
But ASADA has indicated that this would have an impact on any prospective penalty if they are found guilty, or in the event that a player wishes to strike a plea bargain deal before the case concludes.
The AFL had proposed a plan in which no 2012-listed players – whether facing the charges or not – would play in the NAB Challenge games, thus protecting the anonymity of the players.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-34-wont-play-in-nab-challenge-20150210-13b69i.html
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And Caro gives Essendon another good whack ;D
Essendon supplements saga: Ironies abound as Bombers resist pre-season solutions
Caroline Wilson
The Age
February 11, 2015
The continuing possibility that Essendon will withdraw completely from the AFL's pre-season competition involves a number of ironies not lost on anyone in touch with this devastating chronicle as it enters year three.
One is the club's claim that it cannot field a team because it could be breaching a duty of care towards those younger players who would be forced to carry the side during NAB Challenge games against bigger-bodied athletes. If only the club had been this concerned about its players' welfare in 2011 and 2012.
Quite apart from the fact the Bombers line up against the most inexperienced side in the competition in St Kilda first-up, followed by the Giants and then Melbourne, is the savage truth that it will be many years before Essendon can cite health and safety concerns on behalf of its players without a provocative reaction. Ironic too that the Giants pushed aside such concerns when they competed in the NAB Cup of 2011 despite not being an AFL side and consisting almost completely of teenagers.
Essendon's hypocrisy does not end there. Both club and players seem disappointed at the length of time the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has taken to put forward its case, glossing over the fact the club delayed the outcome by a good two months by challenging the legality of the original investigation.
That expensive and ultimately failed exercise succeeded only in dragging down the reputations of the same AFL officials and executives from whom the Bombers are seeking assistance. Australian football's reputation was further soiled by a series of mean-spirited and often irrelevant testimonies. Despite Essendon's protestations, surely the timeline dictates a verdict on the 34 charged players would have been achieved by now had the club and its suspended coach not unsuccessfully attempted to bury the evidence.
Instead the pre-season competition remains punctuated with uncertainties just weeks before the first bounce. There is remarkably little goodwill from its 17 competition rivals towards a club now pushing the AFL to win guarantees from ASADA and perhaps even make deals when only eight months ago it took ASADA to court over its allegedly improper relationship with the AFL.
Particularly when the club's players and coaches appear so unwilling to compromise for the sake of the competition. Those players charged with taking performance-enhancing drugs still at Essendon - at least those who remain relatively anonymous - have fought to keep their identities hidden. The AFL compromise ruling out all 2012-listed players would achieve that, but the club subsequently argued then that their preparation would be disadvantaged.
No one is suggesting the push for anonymity is a red herring but if that is the key issue and top-up players can be found then it seems disingenuous for the players to raise fears of losing a competitive advantage against those teammates fortunate not to have been at Windy Hill in 2012. How genuine are fears of losing ground against teammates where the NAB Challenge is concerned? Just how important alone is the anonymity issue?
Surely when a club and its players find themselves in this situation they should be prepared to give a bit back for the sake of the competition. But the playing group still seems determined to remove itself from the competition. It is disappointing that the players' stand smacks of a subtle protest that to these eyes looks misguided. Jobe Watson's proposed "sit down" in protest against the new interchange rules some years ago springs to mind.
That a side turn up to play, however cobbled together that side may be, is the underscore of any competition. Yet again the players' mindset that they would accept fines in preference to playing under the wrong circumstances could change should the AFL revert to a firmer hand and threaten serious recriminations such as draft or premiership point penalties.
To date there has been no heavy hand from head office as Gillon McLachlan along with his respective football and legal lieutenants Mark Evans and Andrew Dillon attempt to resolve the messy impasse, considering every possible solution including the possibility of staging the NAB Challenge without Essendon and potentially rejigging the fixture. A decision is expected by Thursday and as early as Wednesday.
The team has been preparing for some time for a potential withdrawal from the NAB Challenge by staging intensive Friday intra-club games. And Essendon has vowed that its players will hold community events in both Morwell and Sydney's west should it fail to field a team for fixtured pre-season games. Again, to be nostalgic, this promise cannot help but invoke memories of the 2012 Wangaratta NAB Cup debacle which had as its origin the club's experimental high-performance practices which dictated a three-to-four-hour bus trip and an overnight stay in a motel was poor preparation for an AFL team.
That no-show saw the AFL tighten its rules regarding team travel times. If only it could have predicted then how many rules and practices would be tightened as a result of the dangerous drug regime that ruled at Essendon for those shameful months back in 2012.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-supplements-saga-ironies-abound-as-bombers-resist-preseason-solutions-20150210-13b453.html
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2 years suspension if they are found guilty. pure and simple.
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had enough of this mob - 2 years nothing less
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Dons facing potential anti-doping bans won't play in NAB Challenge
Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
February 11, 2015 6:08 PM
Essendon has confirmed that its players fighting ASADA infraction notices will not seek the AFL Commission's permission to play in the NAB Challenge.
It's estimated 17 or 18 players allegedly involved in the Bombers' controversial 2012 supplements regime remain on the club's list.
It remains unclear whether the additional players still on the list from that time, but not charged with possible doping offences, will join their teammates on the sidelines.
Essendon has 25 players remaining on its list who were at the club during 2012.
It means the fate of Essendon's scheduled NAB Challenge matches against St Kilda, Greater Western Sydney and Melbourne is still uncertain.
Essendon general manager of football operations Rob Kerr told the club's website said there was "ongoing dialogue" with the League.
“Those players who have been issued infraction notices have been provisionally suspended as we speak, so the issue they face is that if they were to play a NAB Challenge game it would impact upon their provisional suspension,” he said.
“The solution that the playing group themself has bought into has been made because everyone is mindful that under the anti-doping code there is an obligation to protect the identity of those players that have infraction notices.
ASADA confirmed on Wednesday that any players who played during their provisional suspension wouldn't be able to have their suspensions backdated if they were found guilty by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal.
"Our view is any athlete competing during their provisional suspension and prior to a final decision by a sport tribunal, has not respected their obligation under the World Anti-Doping Code and should not be entitled to a credit for the provisional suspension," an ASADA spokesperson said in a statement provided to AFL.com.au.
"The World Anti-Doping Code is very clear in this respect and our duty is to ensure sports comply with their responsibilities to the code."
Kerr was confident Bombers players would not face fines if they pulled out of the pre-season competition, even if they didn't have an infraction notice.
"The discussions we have had with the AFL has been about finding a solution that is going to work and there has been no tabling of 'if you couldn’t play, this is what the penalty would be'," he said.
The AFL has proposed the Bombers be able to top up their list with additional players, but Essendon remains reluctant to do that.
“The options are that we would have to find other players to supplement our list and when you factor in that there is 25 players on our list from 2012," Kerr said.
“When you look at some of the older players and the younger players who are not going to play a whole lot of time during the NAB Challenge, the number of players available is reduced significantly.
"By our estimation ... we're thinking you'd have to find in the vicinity of 15-20 [top-up] players to be able to compete."
The AFL Commission has discretion over whether players with infraction notices are allowed to play, and doesn't have to consult ASADA.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-11/dons-facing-potential-antidoping-bans-wont-play-in-nab-challenge
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Agree with Caro that Essendon's presentation at the Federal Court case has damaged the game. There is a case for another charge of bringing the game into disrepute firstly for putting up such a lame case in the Fed Court and now for their attempt to foreshadow the finding of the tribunal with veiled threats.
This is getting ridiculous as it is now affecting other clubs preparations and planning for the season ahead.
What more can the AFL do for Essendon? Bring back John Coleman from the dead?
They have even given them the softest draw possible in the NAB cup with the Saints, Giants and Demons. Essendon, STFU with your complaining, get on the phone and start organising some players for the NAB cup. I will put my hand up if needed, I have lost a bit of pace over the years but at 6'3 could still be handy in a 2nd forward type role. I have a bit of experience in Division 3 reserves and have kept my footy boots just in case a situation like this popped up. Contact me via this site.
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Caro reckons Essendon could lose premiership points or draft picks if they abandon playing in the NAB Challenge.
Essendon's refusal to play is making a mockery of the pre-season competition
Caroline Wilson
The Age
February 11, 2015
Essendon's ongoing refusal to make itself available for the AFL's pre-season challenge is starting to make a mockery of the competition with just two weeks remaining to the first bounce. The tail it seems is wagging the dog.
At some point, surely, AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan will ditch his deal-making diplomacy and make it clear who exactly is running the competition – and just how seriously the governing body and all 17 other clubs take even the suggestion of an on-field no-show.
Fairfax Media understands the AFL will punish any club abandoning a game by withdrawing premiership points and could even threaten draft sanctions. This is what Essendon faces.
Top-level talks will continue on Thursday. AFL Players Association chief executive Paul Marsh is due to hold talks with league bosses before meeting Essendon's chiefs and the Bombers players.
Marsh reportedly sees it as his duty to make the players, who have continued to resist all manner of AFL compromise, see just how heavily the competition will come down on their club should they carry out their threat.
Bombers football boss Rob Kerr continued the diplomatic club line late on Wednesday when he said the club was continuing to work towards a solution. He made it clear that the resistance was the players' call. The fact the team has played Friday intra-club practice games in a bid to make up for missing NAB Challenge games would indicate the coaches are supporting the players in their stand.
But external sympathy is wearing thin. Most football people believe those charged were doped and duped, but that is no reason for the entire senior list to withdraw from the NAB Challenge with, it must be said, excuses ranging from credible to flimsy.
Given that this club has largely hijacked the competition for two full seasons now the view from the other clubs is that those at Essendon should be bending over backwards to prevent any further damage. But the Bombers bosses appear to have lost control of the situation, just as they had previously with the current senior coach.
Former Essendon coaches Mark Thompson and Kevin Sheedy believe Essendon should play in the NAB Challenge. St Kilda captain Nick Riewoldt made it more than clear at his captaincy announcement that the Saints want Essendon to play.
Clearly McLachlan is resisting a provocative move. No one at head office would relish going to war again with Essendon.
But if ever the time had come for the new AFL chief to demonstrate his authority it is now.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendons-refusal-to-play-is-making-a-mockery-of-the-preseason-competition-20150211-13c7lt.html
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FARCK EM OFF!
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Eff them. Should be told if they don't turn up for the NAB don't turn up for the rest of the season. If banned anyway just add an extra 12 months
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Surely since they are innocent after all they should just play and let the evidence do the talking.
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pee the lot of em off.
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Should all be hanged in Federation Square before the season opener, have their corpses carried over by Richmond & Carlton fans on the march to the G, paraded around the ground and then ceremonially cremated on a funeral pyre constructed in the centre square before the opening bounce.
Henceforth from which Richmond & Carlton will play for The Ashes.
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Eff them. Should be told if they don't turn up for the NAB don't turn up for the rest of the season. If banned anyway just add an extra 12 months
It has all comeback to bite Essendon, Hird, Little and their honchos on the backside and it couldn't have happened to a more deserving bunch :yep. They stupidly went to court on a deluded premise that the ASADA investigation was unlawful and as a result dragged this saga for at least 6 months longer. Now they've screwed their players for a 4th time, even the ones that had nothing to do with the 'supplement' program. First was pumping god knows what into them, secondly getting the players to follow their ridiculous legal advice, thirdly was stuffing up multiple footy season and now fourthly totally stuffing up a preseason. The fifth is still yet to come when the players eventually cop suspensions.
It's going to be farce whether they play in the NAB Challenge games or not. If they play with 15-20 ring-ins, good luck jelling as a team when 3/4ers of the side doesn't know the gameplan or each other. They ring-ins will also run out of juice (no not the TB4 juice ;D ) halfway through the games and their skill level will be terrible. Even wooden-spooners, St Kilda, should romp home by 100 pts. Thank gawd, we aren't scheduled to play them during the preseason so we are unaffected by their utter selfishness and incompetence. I hope they do now cop a loss of premiership points and draft sanctions. They are a joke of a club lead by a narcissist of a coach and a chairman that's full of crap.
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Nice rant MT
As a club do they have any redeeming features?
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ESSENDON CEO Xavier Campbell says the club’s preference is to play the NAB Challenge.
An announcement regarding the Bombers’ participation in the pre-season is expected later today.
There are question marks hanging over 18 Essendon players involved in the ongoing supplements saga with those players expected to sit out.
It is believed every player on the Bombers’ list in 2012 will sit out the NAB Challenge to help protect the identity of those involved.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-set-to-announce-developments-in-essendon-nab-challenge-situation-later-today/story-fndv8gad-1227218197603
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-13/match-is-scheduled-to-go
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Essendon to play in NAB Challenge using 'top up' players
Daniel Cherny
The Age
February 13, 2015
An agreement has been reached for the 26 Essendon players on the club's list in 2012 to sit out this year's NAB Challenge games with the Bombers still fielding a team in the pre-season competition.
Essendon will field a team with teams as to where 'top-up' players are sourced from, including Essendon's VFL team, still to be announced.
A statement from the AFL Players' Association is expected to be released by 4pm.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-to-play-in-nab-challenge-using-top-up-players-20150213-13dof0.html
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The Bombers..every footy fans second favourite club..
:lol :lol :lol
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They should be allowed to play some of their former champions eg Michael Long, Matty LLoyd etc
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Nice rant MT
As a club do they have any redeeming features?
Is that a rhetorical question, Chucky? ;D
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They should be allowed to play some of their former champions eg Michael Long, Matty LLoyd etc
Leaked ring-in Essendon 22:
B: Ty Mosin Iva Comefromamexico A.O.Dee
HB: Hex Areline Pep Tides Anne T. Ageing
C: A.Witchdoctor S.Dank 'Weapon' Robinson
HF: Cere Brolysin 'Pigs' Extract A. Mino
F: Syon Waiver Ben Dover Jabba Needle
R: Inda Nile A.Peal Watt Records
Int: D.Evans P.Little 'Vitamins' McVeigh
Substitute: Watt Eva
Senior Coach: J.Hird*
* The senior coach accepts no responsibility for anything.
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:lol
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F: Syon Waiver
R: Inda Nile
:clapping :bow
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Paper dragon.
NAB series is rubbish and most clubs prefer to not play t anyway.
Win for Essendon
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They should be allowed to play some of their former champions eg Michael Long, Matty LLoyd etc
Leaked ring-in Essendon 22:
B: Ty Mosin Iva Comefromamexico A.O.Dee
HB: Hex Areline Pep Tides Anne T. Ageing
C: A.Witchdoctor S.Dank 'Weapon' Robinson
HF: Cere Brolysin 'Pigs' Extract A. Mino
F: Syon Waiver Ben Dover Jabba Needle
R: Inda Nile A.Peal Watt Records
Int: D.Evans P.Little 'Vitamins' McVeigh
Substitute: Watt Eva
Senior Coach: J.Hird*
* The senior coach accepts no responsibility for anything.
Standing ovation MT!! :clapping :clapping :clapping :bow
I've heard good things about that Pep Tides - so quick he's almost undetectable. Inda Nile is a real smoky for the club captaincy. Don't forget their Sub- Lee Ments
Got a good feeling about this side, if they can get their chemistry right. They could make a late change, In- Trav Eenus, Out- Guv Nance.
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Paper dragon.
NAB series is rubbish and most clubs prefer to not play t anyway.
Win for Essendon
Being forced to play only intra-clubs in the lead-up to a season will hurt their preparation.
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They should be allowed to play some of their former champions eg Michael Long, Matty LLoyd etc
Leaked ring-in Essendon 22:
B: Ty Mosin Iva Comefromamexico A.O.Dee
HB: Hex Areline Pep Tides Anne T. Ageing
C: A.Witchdoctor S.Dank 'Weapon' Robinson
HF: Cere Brolysin 'Pigs' Extract A. Mino
F: Syon Waiver Ben Dover Jabba Needle
R: Inda Nile A.Peal Watt Records
Int: D.Evans P.Little 'Vitamins' McVeigh
Substitute: Watt Eva
Senior Coach: J.Hird*
* The senior coach accepts no responsibility for anything.
Hilarious! :lol :clapping :clapping
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Looks like Watson and Fletcher being allowed to play in the International Rules series may backfire on them. Any suspensions won't be back-dated as far back as the other Essendon players.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-supplements-saga-irish-series-will-impact-on-bombers-duo-20150214-13eqwi.html
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so they miss an extra week bringing the total to what 2 or 3 games.
Thats what will happen which is basically SFA
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so they miss an extra week bringing the total to what 2 or 3 games.
Thats what will happen which is basically SFA
It depends when
A 6 month ban backdated to when the infraction notices were issued on November 14th, would result in the bulk of Essendon players missing the first 6 rounds. So that could see Essendon starting the season 0-6. Watson and Fletcher would additionally miss rounds 7 & 8 as the IR series was held 9 days after the issuing of the infraction notices. 2015 would become a total write-off for the Bombers.
The only problem with this is we'll end up being shafted too as we'll be the only opposition club that ends up playing Essendon twice this year at full strength while other clubs get a gimme 4 pts playing effectively the Bombers' VFL side.
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AFL sets NAB Challenge and premiership season top-up rules for Dons
Travis King
afl.com.au
February 16, 2015 7:08 PM
ESSENDON will be restricted to recruiting players who have been on AFL lists in the past two seasons should any of its squad be suspended by the League's Anti-Doping Tribunal.
The AFL has released a statement pertaining to list concessions for Essendon to field a team in the NAB Challenge and contingency plans should any Bombers be suspended for the premiership season for their part in the club's 2012 supplements regime.
About 18 of the 34 past and present players handed infraction notices by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) are reportedly still on the club's list.
Should any, or all, be suspended and miss home-and-away matches, the Dons can only recruit players who were on AFL lists in 2013 or '14 on temporary contracts.
Essendon will only be able to sign a maximum of two players from any club, except for its own VFL team.
However, the AFL's general counsel Andrew Dillon has the power to make exceptions to these guidelines, provided they don't unfairly disadvantage another club.
All 18 clubs have been advised of the recommendations, an AFL spokesman said.
The restrictions for the premiership season differ from those applied to Essendon for the NAB Challenge, which starts for the Bombers on March 7 against St Kilda in Morwell.
Essendon can use their VFL team's players but can also recruit any state league player for the pre-season matches.
Dillon said the list concessions and contingency plan were suitable outcomes for the competition.
“This is a reasonable and sensible package of concessions that recognises the unprecedented situation facing our competition, does not unfairly disadvantage other clubs, and allows Essendon to field a team,” he said.
The Bombers stated last week that all players who were at the club in 2012 during the club's supplements program would be unavailable for the NAB Challenge, as a measure to "protect the identity of our players with provisional suspensions."
The AFL said it would work with Essendon and the AFL Players' Association to ensure appropriate terms and conditions for the temporary players including minimum payments and provisions for injury, insurance and medical.
The AFL Commission also ruled that any payments to a temporary player would be included in Essendon’s Total Player Payments.
However, the club will be provided with a TPP allowance for those payments in a manner similar to the operation of the injury allowance.
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The news comes as the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal hearing into the 34 past and present Essendon players draws to a close.
On Monday, the Tribunal heard oral closing submissions from ASADA.
All closing submissions will have been lodged and heard by February 18, when the Tribunal will adjourn to consider its decision.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-16/league-sets-topup-rules
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ESSENDON says it has recruited all but a handful of its 20 NAB Challenge top-up players after yesterday signing five ex-AFL delisted players on Tuesday.
Ex-Geelong forward Mitch Brown, Melbourne on-baller James Magner, St Kilda tagger Clint Jones, ex-Demon Mitch Clisby and Adelaide’s Jared Petrenko all agreed to play for the Dons.
They need only to pass medical testing on Thursday to be accepted for at least the first two NAB Challenge games.
Coburg’s Michael Hartley, a former Pies rookie, is also expected to be plucked by Essendon, which now needs only four or five more players to make a pre-season quorum.
If Essendon players are suspended en masse ahead of Round 1 their ragtag bunch of recruits all have a chance to reignite their AFL careers.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/clint-jones-mitch-brown-jared-petrenko-among-essendon-top-up-players-for-nab-challenge/story-fniv64tz-1227222670897
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Closing submissions to the anti-doping hearing are all finished (a day early too). Now we wait for the final verdict ....
The Tribunal will now consider the evidence and submissions before deciding if there was a breach of the AFL Anti-Doping Code during the Bombers' 2012 supplements program.
There is no timetable for the Tribunal to make its ruling, meaning the players are likely to be left in the dark during the NAB Challenge, which they have not sought clearance to play in.
Should any of the current and former Essendon players or the former Essendon employee handed infraction notices be found to have breached the AFL Anti-Doping Code, a hearing would follow to set a sanction.
The prospect of further legal challenges following a finding makes it possible for the players to remain in limbo going into the 2015 season, which launches on April 2.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-17/bombers-close-their-case
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/_TcZikqG654?rel=0
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Must watch the youtube link posted by al above
pee-er ;D
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Nine AFL clubs cleared but WorkCover probe into Essendon, AFL continues
Jon Pierik
The Age
February 24, 2015
Nine Victorian AFL clubs have been cleared of alleged breaches of occupational health and safety but the Victorian WorkCover Authority's probe into Essendon and the AFL continues.
In June, the VWA, already investigating the Bombers over their peptides injecting program, received another complaint, calling for the remaining nine Victorian-based clubs to be investigated, with a focus on their sports science programs.
The complainant lodged paperwork with the VWA confirming Collingwood, Carlton, Geelong, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs as the clubs other than the Bombers that should be probed.
After an eight-month inquiry, the VWA revealed to Fairfax Media on Monday the investigation of the nine clubs, which had been represented by one law firm, was over.
"WorkSafe has completed an investigation into alleged health and safety breaches by nine Victorian-based AFL clubs and will take no further action," the VWA said in a statement.
"Separate investigations relating to the Essendon Football Club and the AFL are continuing, and it is inappropriate to comment further."
The nine clubs were informed of the decision on Monday.
The complainant had cited the VWA's section 131, which compelled the organisation to investigate.
To take action against the nine clubs, the VWA had needed to produce strong evidence of malpractice which could stand up in court.
The investigation was understood to have analysed the clubs' procedures from 2012, when the Bombers' controversial supplements program, then run by Stephen Dank, was underway, until last year.
The VWA's investigation into the Bombers "pharmacologically experimental" program is likely to be shaped by the findings of the AFL anti-doping tribunal, which is deliberating over whether 34 past and present players were injected with the banned drug, thymosin beta-4.
Investigators are also likely to use the 2013 report completed by the AFL, which led to successful charges against Essendon and its staff, including coach James Hird, for governance breaches and the club's damning internal report conducted by former Telstra chief, Ziggy Switkowski.
The AFL is being investigated as it is the ultimate employer of all players and club staff. The complainant has alleged the AFL failed in its duty of care, including "by way of exposure to sports science and medicine practices".
Breaches of the health and safety codes can result in heavy fines, including up to $265,000 for individuals.
The AFL moved to tighten protocols around supplements and peptides usage and injections after the Bombers' self-reported the potential use of performance-enhancing drugs in February 2013.
This included an audit of all clubs' medical programs. The audit found that 12 clubs had recorded medium or high levels of supplement use and lacked "a single point of accountability", while players from nine clubs had individually procured supplements.
The AFL also released its own prohibited treatments list last year. The list was in addition to the World Anti-Doping Agency code. The list includes peptides Hexarelin, AOD-9604 and CJC-1295.
An AFL spokesman said the list would not be added to this year.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/nine-afl-clubs-cleared-but-workcover-probe-into-essendon-afl-continues-20150223-13mict.html
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Must watch the youtube link posted by al above
peeer ;D
:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
That is p-funny!
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Nine AFL clubs cleared but WorkCover probe into Essendon, AFL continues
Jon Pierik
The Age
February 24, 2015
Nine Victorian AFL clubs have been cleared of alleged breaches of occupational health and safety but the Victorian WorkCover Authority's probe into Essendon and the AFL continues.
In June, the VWA, already investigating the Bombers over their peptides injecting program, received another complaint, calling for the remaining nine Victorian-based clubs to be investigated, with a focus on their sports science programs.
The complainant lodged paperwork with the VWA confirming Collingwood, Carlton, Geelong, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs as the clubs other than the Bombers that should be probed.
After an eight-month inquiry, the VWA revealed to Fairfax Media on Monday the investigation of the nine clubs, which had been represented by one law firm, was over.
"WorkSafe has completed an investigation into alleged health and safety breaches by nine Victorian-based AFL clubs and will take no further action," the VWA said in a statement.
"Separate investigations relating to the Essendon Football Club and the AFL are continuing, and it is inappropriate to comment further."
The nine clubs were informed of the decision on Monday.
The complainant had cited the VWA's section 131, which compelled the organisation to investigate.
To take action against the nine clubs, the VWA had needed to produce strong evidence of malpractice which could stand up in court.
The investigation was understood to have analysed the clubs' procedures from 2012, when the Bombers' controversial supplements program, then run by Stephen Dank, was underway, until last year.
The VWA's investigation into the Bombers "pharmacologically experimental" program is likely to be shaped by the findings of the AFL anti-doping tribunal, which is deliberating over whether 34 past and present players were injected with the banned drug, thymosin beta-4.
Investigators are also likely to use the 2013 report completed by the AFL, which led to successful charges against Essendon and its staff, including coach James Hird, for governance breaches and the club's damning internal report conducted by former Telstra chief, Ziggy Switkowski.
The AFL is being investigated as it is the ultimate employer of all players and club staff. The complainant has alleged the AFL failed in its duty of care, including "by way of exposure to sports science and medicine practices".
Breaches of the health and safety codes can result in heavy fines, including up to $265,000 for individuals.
The AFL moved to tighten protocols around supplements and peptides usage and injections after the Bombers' self-reported the potential use of performance-enhancing drugs in February 2013.
This included an audit of all clubs' medical programs. The audit found that 12 clubs had recorded medium or high levels of supplement use and lacked "a single point of accountability", while players from nine clubs had individually procured supplements.
The AFL also released its own prohibited treatments list last year. The list was in addition to the World Anti-Doping Agency code. The list includes peptides Hexarelin, AOD-9604 and CJC-1295.
An AFL spokesman said the list would not be added to this year.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/nine-afl-clubs-cleared-but-workcover-probe-into-essendon-afl-continues-20150223-13mict.html
It's hard to fathom that the Hirds would resort to such a pathetic move.
Actually, no it's not.
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Must watch the youtube link posted by al above
peeer ;D
:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
That is p-funny!
Made me laugh.
Will post the link to the football tragics at work tomorrow.
:thumbsup
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From the Herald-Sun:
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http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/afl-movies-footy-fans-reimagine-their-favourite-films-starring-afl-players/story-fnii5sms-1227237444444
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THE AFL will not step in and force Essendon to remove James Hird as senior coach even if Bombers players are found guilty of doping charges.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-wont-be-forced-out-of-essendon-says-afl-ceo-gillon-mclachlan/story-fndv8gad-1227237592628
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THE AFL will not step in and force Essendon to remove James Hird as senior coach even if Bombers players are found guilty of doping charges.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-wont-be-forced-out-of-essendon-says-afl-ceo-gillon-mclachlan/story-fndv8gad-1227237592628
Would have thought that Essendon would be forced to act, not the AFL as last time I looked I thought he had a contract with the Bombers, not the AFL. :whistle
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reckon coaches would be the same as players in that ultimately they are employees of the AFL. its how they circumnavigate restrictions of trade laws
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/_TcZikqG654?rel=0
I have to admit this is some of your best work ever on the forums Albert :clapping
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Australian anti-doping chief Ben McDevitt has suggested Essendon and coach James Hird are to blame for the delays in securing a resolution for the supplements saga and has warned he is likely to appeal any finding that is not a "reasonable decision".
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-warns-it-could-appeal-essendon-case-20150225-13p06n.html
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JAMES HIRD's legal battle is over, with the defiant Essendon coach deciding against a High Court appeal to allow the club to "move on and play football".
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-27/hird-ends-legal-fight
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Does,anyone think that the environment in which hird will be coaching in would be less than favourable, in regards to 15 other club's views on his selfish, cowardice unaccountability and the detrimental effect it has had on the industry and game?
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I don't think he would give a poo quite frankly
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Does,anyone think that the environment in which hird will be coaching in would be less than favourable, in regards to 15 other club's views on his selfish, cowardice unaccountability and the detrimental effect it has had on the industry and game?
Sounds like something Hird should sue the afl over
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Dank blaming everyone else again including the Essendon players.
Stephen Dank says he would 'do it again'
Claire Siracusa
The Age
March 2, 2015
The sports scientist at the centre of the Essendon supplements scandal, Stephen Dank, says that Essendon players knew exactly what they were given and that if he was approached by another club, he would "do it again".
Speaking on Triple R radio on Sunday morning, Dank said that he did nothing at the club that he didn't have permission to do.
"The immediate answer to that is, yes, I would do it again," he told The Party Show. "Don't forget ... there was nothing that we did that we did not have permission for. There was nothing that we did that no one had any issues with and we certainly didn't do anything that wasn't discussed well throughout the club infrastructure."
Dank said that the players knew exactly what they were given, including things to take home, and that all the substances from the program have "some sort of approval somewhere in the world".
"In the early days when we first started ... any player who could not say what we were giving them, what they were taking it for, what the benefit was, they weren't allowed to take it or have it until they sat down and I went through that again," he said. Dank said he and then high performance manager Dean Robinson enforced this until players were "coherent with that information".
Dank also detailed the substances used at Essendon. "These substances are well and truly part of an established landscape in terms of medicine in this country and overseas. All of these substances have some sort of approval somewhere in the world, for use, both therapeutically and in a general medicial sense," he said
"These substances were prepared in a high-grade pharmaceutical facility. So there were again a lot of furphies that had sort of got out there about stuff that was dangerous, stuff that had come in from China. It really had got to a ludicrous proportion."
Dank said "everything was very, very well documented" and that more than half a dozen people at Essendon know what went on during his time there.
"There was certainly a tremendous amount of governance and diligence in relation to the program." he said.
"The furphy that there was no record keeping, the furphy that no one knew what was happening, I mean, to be perfectly honest, they are just lies that have been propagated by both the AFL and ASADA to help construct an ending to suit their means."
Dank said he had detailed records, which he had left at Essendon.
"It was certainly left on the club intranet," he said. "Those records recorded every player on a spreadsheet for every day, every week, every month of the season.
"You probably need to ask Essendon Football Club [where they are]."
"I can say for sure that those records were kept ... after my leaving the club. And that has been verified through an external body."
"You would need to discuss with both the AFL and the Essendon Football Club why they have tried to perpetrate the line that these records don't exist."
He claimed the AFL would do "whatever they can to imply [Essendon] have done something wrong and suspend them".
"If you think about what truly is given to athletes around the world to performance enhance - true doping charges, true doping substances - if it was systematic and as deep as they try to imply that it is, surely the guys should get two years and not two weeks," he said.
"In terms of the whole performance biology I would say it was a five to six percenter... It was never set up to be performance enhancement. It was certainly biological management in relation to tissue loads and tissue stress. And it didn't even come close to some of the more important things we were doing in terms of physiological adaptation for performance.
"The guys down in Canberra and the guys down in AFL House would have you think that there was some Lance Armstrong-type moment in terms of what we were running ... if I was doing something that was performance-enhancement, it certainly wouldn't represent the program at Essendon Football Club."
Dank said he would not be defending himself at the AFL Tribunal, which he described as a "kangaroo court", but that he would defend himself "in the legal jurisdiction where this is warranted".
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stephen-dank-says-he-would-do-it-again-20150301-13s29k.html
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Senior Bombers players meet with AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan as anti-doping verdict approaches
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
March 3, 2015 8:07 PM
A DELEGATION of senior Essendon players met with AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan last week in the countdown to the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal's decision on whether they will face suspensions.
Captain Jobe Watson and fellow leaders Brendon Goddard and David Myers represented the Essendon players at the private meeting with McLachlan, which was held at the CEO's home.
An AFL spokesperson confirmed to AFL.com.au the talks had taken place.
"The Essendon players requested a meeting with Gillon, and he agreed to that meeting. It was a private meeting and we have no further comment to make," the spokesperson said.
Channel Seven reported on Tuesday evening the AFL's general counsel Andrew Dillon was also present for the talks, which were held last Monday evening.
It is understood potential outcomes of the Anti-Doping Tribunal were not discussed.
However, the players arranged the meeting to gain a better understanding from the AFL about the Tribunal process.
It is understood the club was aware of the meeting and fully supportive of it.
The Anti-Doping Tribunal is deliberating on whether 34 past and present Bombers are guilty of taking the banned peptide Thymosin beta-4.
Those players are serving provisional suspensions and could have any bans handed down by the Anti-Doping Tribunal backdated.
Goddard, who joined the Bombers at the end of 2012 as a restricted free agent, was not part of the club's supplements program.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-03/senior-bombers-players-meet-with-afl-ceo-gillon-mclachlan-as-antidoping-verdict-approaches
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AFL floats possibility of small penalty if Dons guilty, but ASADA stays silent
Jake Niall
The Age
March 5, 2015
The AFL suggested to the special doping tribunal that present and former Essendon players should receive a small match-based suspension if they were found guilty of taking a banned substance.
But while the AFL's representative did make a suggestion on any potential penalties, the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has reserved its position on whether the players should be entitled to a discount for cooperation, which would cut any sentence from 12 months to six months, with backdating from last year.
Sources familiar with evidence from the recently concluded tribunal hearing said ASADA's advocate Malcolm Holmes QC, did not broach the topic of penalties - the drugs agency reserving its position until after a verdict - but that the AFL's representative suggested that a smaller match-based penalty would be appropriate in the event of a guilty verdict.
The AFL left it open for the tribunal to decide whether the players should be found guilty or acquitted of taking the banned peptide thymosin beta-4.
The AFL's legal representative in the month-long hearings, Jeff Gleeson QC, is understood to have told the hearing that a match-based penalty - rather than the blocks of months that are usually involved in doping cases - would be more appropriate, because it fitted the AFL as a team-based sport, if players were found guilty.
ASADA had previously offered the 34 players a six-month ban, plus backdating, after show-cause notices were issued for the first time in 2014 and before Essendon and coach James Hird tried, unsuccessfully, to have the investigation ruled unlawful in the Federal Court. That offer has not been repeated since the tribunal case started.
The idea of a small penalty was raised in the content of "comfortable satisfaction" - the standard of proof for doping charges. "Comfortable satisfaction", unlike the higher criminal standard of "beyond reasonable doubt" or the lesser civil standard of "balance of probabilities", takes into account the consequences for the individual. A severe penalty raises the level of proof required.
A smaller penalty is also consistent with the view that players were "duped" and did not knowingly take banned substances.
The legal representatives for 32 of 34 players, led by David Grace QC and solicitor Tony Hargreaves, did not broach the topic of penalties, their case focusing only on seeking to have the players cleared. The counsel for Western Bulldogs pair Stewart Crameri and Brent Prismall likewise did not address the issue of penalties. The defence for the 32 has maintained optimism that the players will be cleared.
ASADA's written submission for the case is understood to have been close to 360 pages, with lengthy submissions - as much as 60 pages - coming from the players. The mountain of material that tribunal chairman David Jones and his panel have to assess also includes weeks of oral evidence and documents.
Jones indicated to the parties he was mindful of the looming start to the 2015 season but he did not specify a time frame for the verdict from his panel, which also includes former judge John Nixon and former Sydney player and lawyer Wayne Henwood.
In the event of either side appealing the verdict, the next step would be the AFL's special appeals tribunal, chaired by Peter O'Callaghan QC, and then the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The World Anti-Doping Agency would have the option of appealing the sentence and taking it straight to the CAS, which typically happens only when WADA believes a penalty is inadequate. Opposing advocates Holmes and Grace usually sit on the CAS.
The players are provisionally suspended until the case concludes and have chosen not to apply to play in the NAB Challenge. This enables the backdating of any sentence in the event that they are found guilty. ASADA boss Ben McDevitt suggested to a senate hearing last week that backdating could begin from November, when the infractions were issued. In the event of a six-month ban, backdating from November would see players miss games until early May.
ASADA had also indicated last year it was willing to offer players "no significant fault, no significant negligence" under the WADA code, which cuts a two-year ban to 12 months. The question of whether it will renew that six-month offer for cooperation is unclear.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-floats-possibility-of-small-penalty-if-dons-guilty-but-asada-stays-silent-20150304-13v3fu.html
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co-operated?
In further news, when alking about Hird returning to the club that flog Brendan Goddard said "It just felt right when he walked back through that door" :-[ :-[ :-[
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Don't u just love the corruption across the board.
All filthy rich pigs with the moral compass of a Bali 9 member
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FOUR Essendon players have broken ranks and decided to play in the NAB Challenge despite being at the club during the controversial 2012 season.
Nick O’Brien, Jackson Merrett, Elliott Kavanagh and Lauchlan Dalgleish were today named for Saturday’s match against St Kilda after they seeked permission from the club including coach James Hird.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-break-ranks-to-play-in-nab-challenge-despite-being-at-the-club-during-2012-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1227249576151
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co-operated?
In further news, when alking about Hird returning to the club that flog Brendan Goddard said "It just felt right when he walked back through that door" :-[ :-[ :-[
He didnt did he. haha
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Is he the one who bawled when he played his old club?
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Is he the one who bawled when he played his old club?
Goddard? Yep
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Also the one that begged the Saints to keep him! Yeah, his word is rock solid. :lol
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FOUR Essendon players have broken ranks and decided to play in the NAB Challenge despite being at the club during the controversial 2012 season.
Nick O’Brien, Jackson Merrett, Elliott Kavanagh and Lauchlan Dalgleish were today named for Saturday’s match against St Kilda after they seeked permission from the club including coach James Hird.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-break-ranks-to-play-in-nab-challenge-despite-being-at-the-club-during-2012-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1227249576151
4 duds that wouldn't get a game anyway.
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Is he the one who bawled when he played his old club?
Goddard? Yep
poor Brendan
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Damien Barrett goes whack at Essendon and Hird ...
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Solidarity. It's all the rage at Essendon on February 11, and out the window by March 5.
Solidarity. It's just a word Essendon chose to shout as it thumped its chest yet again, when it suited it.
Like another word. Truth. Remember that one? Hird told us way back when that when the truth came out, the club would be in a state that bordered heaven.
We've long been aware that we will never, ever, get the whole truth from anyone directly associated with this mess, but we're still waiting on your version of it, James.
Essendon's management of this saga has actually been as questionable as the 2012 actions which remain the subject of the ASADA probe.
Hird and Little have taken on not just the AFL systems but also the courts of the land. They've played the long game, hoping fatigue would wear everyone down. It nearly has, including their own relationship.
The court actions were never anything but sideshows to the main issue. And even after losing – twice – in Federal Court actions involving four judges, Hird wanted us all to know he still felt he had legal right on his side.
Regardless of outcome at the anti-doping tribunal, which is expected to hand down its findings before the 2015 home and away season starts, the hope is that one day, Hird and Little and others at Essendon will actually "get" what the real issue has always been and will forever be: players under the club's watch were exposed to at-best questionable practices never before seen in VFL/AFL. For a sustained period, with little or no control.
Another hope is that the players themselves, as well as some of those who manage them, realise it too.
Seemingly, everyone who holds a position of power outside the Essendon bubble does.
Here's our final hope.
That the people of Morwell who attend Saturday's match reserve a special acknowledgment for four young men - Nick O'Brien, Jackson Merrett, Elliott Kavanagh and Lauchlan Dalgleish.
Whether those four made the decision to play themselves, or whether one of Hird or Little made it for them, does not matter.
In playing in this match, they will have moved on.
Now, there's something that Hird and Little, as well as the Essendon people they've managed to brainwash for two years already, might want to attempt at some stage. Not for themselves, for they clearly don't feel they need to, but for the sake of everyone else in football.
Read more: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-06/so-much-for-solidarity-essendon
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If the Tribunal drags the case into the start of the 2015 season, the Bombers would be able to use their 13 top-up players to help fill their side, but Hird said that prospect was not in their thoughts.
"We're not thinking they will be required in the regular season because we're very confident with the way the Tribunal will go with our players."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-06/six-dons-to-sit-it-out
Still living in la la land :facepalm.
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Mix of penalties likely for any Bombers found guilty by the tribunal
Roy Masters
The Age
March 10, 2015
The 34 past and present Essendon players charged with doping offences may receive different penalties, owing to different evidence presented to the AFL anti-doping tribunal.
It has been widely assumed that if the tribunal found the players guilty, they would all receive the same sanction.
While all 34 signed a document agreeing to the supplements regime of sports scientist Stephen Dank, including the intent to take thymosin, some claimed to have missed regular injections.
Sources close to the inquiry claim some players presented evidence suggesting the Dank program was erratic and chaotic.
Players claimed that when Dank approached them with, "You're due for another needle, son," they sought to avoid an injection, declaring to have had one the previous day.
Should this evidence be accepted, it could result in different sanctions for the 34 players, who have already split into three groups, with half still at Essendon, others at different AFL clubs and some in the VFL or coaching.
Dank rejects any suggestion his program was shambolic.
"There may have been rare occasions when a player reminded me he had an injection the previous day, but invariably I went back to my spreadsheet and checked," he said.
"On those rare occasions I was right.
"My book-keeping was very stringent.
"To say the program was shambolic and the injection regime irregular and haphazard is ridiculous."
Dank has always maintained that the supplement injected was not the banned Thymosin beta 4.
He was served with an infraction notice but refused to cooperate with ASADA and the AFL tribunal, meaning his spreadsheet could not be tendered to verify his claims, or those of the players.
Dank repeated what he recently said on Triple R radio – that Essendon officials were fully aware of his program.
"There was nothing that we did that no one had any issues with and we certainly didn't do anything that wasn't discussed well throughout the club infrastructure," he repeated.
ASADA spent six days on their opening submissions tendering evidence, including material indicating the players had in excess of 1000 injections.
In the absence of a positive test to Thymosin beta 4, the tribunal must consider other evidence. Whether ASADA's counsel demonstrated to the satisfaction of the tribunal that each individual player had a specific injection of a banned substance on each nominated day is open to question.
This may be relevant to the claims of some players that they missed injections.
Nevertheless, a lower standard of proof than applies in the criminal jurisdiction is required for ASADA to establish its case.
Whereas two of the three members of the AFL tribunal are former county court judges accustomed to looking at evidence through the lens of "beyond reasonable doubt", they merely have to reach a "comfortable satisfaction" to find in favour of ASADA.
The tribunal is expected to hand down its judgments at the end of March, or early April.
The tribunal will be required to write a separate judgment for each player, reflecting the different evidence presented.
It is expected the findings will be "appeal proof" to prevent this wrenching saga continuing, via the AFL Appeals board, or the Court of Arbitration in Sport.
WADA and ASADA can appeal both the verdict and the sanctions.
Insofar as the NRL's Cronulla players accepted an ASADA ban of a month of games in exchange for a guilty plea to no more than three injections each, it could be assumed ASADA would challenge any equivalent penalty by the AFL.
Perhaps the most significant comment comes from the man at the centre of the saga, the enigmatic Dank.
Asked for his final word on the players' evidence of an irregular injection regime, he offered an answer which is telling.
"Can you be a little bit pregnant?" he replied.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mix-of-penalties-likely-for-any-bombers-found-guilty-by-the-tribunal-20150309-13z3rk.html
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Finally Dank makes a correct statement!
That is a very bad article by Roy Masters.
If the players took TB4, it doesn't matter if they missed one or two or even more injections. You only need one injection to be banned and having a couple more does not make it worse for you as far as penalties go. Hence, the how can you be a little pregnant comment is apt.
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Still no 2012-listed Bombers back playing that were involved in the 'supplement' program. Zaharakis will be playing this week but we know he refused to have any injections.
Essendon to use 11 top-up players this weekend.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-11/nab-challenge-squads-gws-v-essendon
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ESSENDON players will remain in limbo until four days before the club's season opener, with their fate to be revealed by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal on March 31.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-13/dday-for-bombers-on-march-31
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6 month minimum ban pleez. No backdating. Root their season
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Caro expects them to once again to appeal and drag it into 2015
Or is that just smart journalism?
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Essendon guilty or not, what to expect from the AFL Tribunal on doping saga
Grant Baker
Herald-Sun
March 16, 2015
WHAT to expect when you’re expecting the Essendon doping saga to end.
ON MARCH 31
THE AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal will deliver its verdict on whether 34 current and former Essendon players used the banned peptide Thymosin Beta 4.
It will almost certainly happen behind closed doors, so that players can be informed of their fate before the media and general public is told.
March 31 is a guilty or not guilty call — NOT a final determination of penalties.
Even if all 34 are found guilty, they most likely won’t be named, as the anonymity provisions in the AFL’s anti-doping code extend through their 21-day appeal period.
Stephen Dank’s guilt or innocence on a range of charges should also be decided.
IF IT’S NOT GUILTY
THE players, now involved with three AFL clubs, are free to play in Round 1 matches beginning on April 2.
ASADA and the World Anti-Doping Authority both have appeal rights — ASADA at the first instance to the AFL Appeals Tribunal and WADA to either that body or directly to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
IF IT’S GUILTY
IF one or more of players is found guilty, brace yourself for more tribunal hearings.
The possibility that some players will be found guilty and others not is very real — sources close to the tribunal process say the players’ experiences in the 2012 supplements program, and their recollections of those experiences are not all alike.
First, and shortly after the verdict, there will be a directions hearing to work out when and on what basis sanctions hearings will take place.
Players’ lawyers will outline what provisions in the AFL Anti-Doping Code they believe should be applied to reduce what are normally inflexible sanctions.
If ASADA, which has not made submissions on penalty so far, and the AFL agree the discounts should apply, sanctions hearings could be mercifully short — a couple of days.
If the sanctions hearings are to be contested, then the merits of each of the 34 individual cases could be up for argument, with hearings taking weeks.
If any or all of the players don’t like the final result, they can appeal to the AFL Appeals Tribunal and then CAS.
SANCTIONS & DISCOUNTS
A TWO-year ban is the starting point for a player found to have used a banned drug — but there are provisions in the code that could see the players cop no punishment (highly unlikely) or little if any further punishment than time already served.
The first, and least likely to succeed, argument open to players is that they bear No Fault or Negligence for the violation.
The definition of this provision in the code says: “He did not know or suspect, and could not reasonably have known or suspected even with the exercise of utmost caution, that he had used or been administered the prohibited substance.”
But the fine print appears to rule it out in the Essendon example, saying it should not apply when “the administration of a prohibited substance by the player’s personal physician or trainer (is) without disclosure to the player”.
An argument of No Significant Fault or Negligence is considered much more likely to be palatable to ASADA.
It means the players’ “fault or negligence, when viewed in the totality of the circumstances and taking into account the criteria for No Fault or Negligence, was not significant in relationship to the violation”.
If it is accepted the players were “duped” into taking something banned, without their knowledge or approval, this provision fits the bill.
It allows the two-year penalty to be cut in half to one year.
Next, is a provision that allows for a discount because of delays in the case not attributable to the player.
The code says: “Where there have been substantial delays in the hearing process or other aspects of doping control not attributable to the player, the tribunal determining the sanction may start the period of ineligibility at an earlier date commencing as early as the date … on which (the) anti-doping rule violation last occurred.”
Players’ lawyers will point out that the last of the player interviews was in June 2013. Show cause notices (the first time around) were not issued until 12 months later.
Further, the players were not party to Essendon and James Hird’s court action, which accounted for a further five months’ delay.
The bulk of the players have been provisionally suspended since they received infraction notices on November 14.
The months since then will also count against any ban.
This is how a two-year ban could result in no future suspension or one that amounts to a matter of weeks — not months or years.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-guilty-or-not-what-to-expect-from-the-afl-tribunal-on-doping-saga/story-fndv8gad-1227263743183
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Whatever the outcome, one has to ask if this drawn out process will dissuade others from taking the risk of performance enhancing substances.
Highly unlikely is my thinking.
An absolute joke it's taken this long.
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Whatever the outcome, one has to ask if this drawn out process will dissuade others from taking the risk of performance enhancing substances.
Highly unlikely is my thinking.
An absolute joke it's taken this long.
I'm with you
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Whatever eventually happens to the players, the EFC still don't get it and are still living in the land of delusion. Hird is still their senior coach and, a couple of days ago, their CEO was on the radio saying the saga hadn't done them much damage as their membership and sponsorship is up :facepalm.
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Baddabing baddaboom
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/former-essendon-player-plans-to-take-legal-action-against-afl-bombers-20150324-1m68gi.html
:clapping
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The first of many when the guilty verdict is handed down. Then I want a playback of Hird and Little's comments at their season launch. Arseholes
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And then they can lag the truth.
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WADA boss to review 'entire' Essendon-AFL investigation.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wada-boss-to-review-entire-essendonafl-investigation-20150323-1m5vf1.html
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WADA boss to review 'entire' Essendon-AFL investigation.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wada-boss-to-review-entire-essendonafl-investigation-20150323-1m5vf1.html
That's a joke.
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A GROUP of senior Essendon players is considering launching a class action against the AFL, and possibly the club, if found guilty of doping offences.
The Herald Sun understands at least three senior Bombers have told their managers they are keen to explore an action against the league, which would involve a legal firm covering the cost of the case and pocketing a percentage of any payout.
The players would also be suing for damages in the Supreme Court, for breach of duty of care and breach of contract in relation to the supplements scandal.
“They are wanting to explore a class action,” a source close to the players said last night. The players would prefer to sue the AFL rather than their own club — but understand it may be necessary to sue both organisations.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-consider-class-action-against-afl-and-bombers-if-found-guilty-of-doping/story-fndv8gad-1227277033708
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KEVIN Sheedy has labelled AFL’s drug scandal treatment of Essendon ‘sick’ - blasting a protracted and flawed case against the besieged club he hopes isn’t a sting.
“It is a very sick, ordinary case rolling out in Australian sport,” said Sheedy, who steered Essendon from 1981-2007.
“A three-year wait is ridiculous.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/kevin-sheedy-labels-the-afl-drug-scandal-treatment-of-essendon-sick-and-ridiculous/story-fndv8gad-1227276960183
:facepalm
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A FORMER Essendon player seeking to sue the AFL has had an application to protect his identity rejected.
Lawyers for Hal Hunter, who did not appear in court on Wednesday, sought a suppression order on the basis that legal action would relate to medical treatment he received as well as his personal health records.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-25/hunter-sues-afl-dons
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Hal Hunter :huh
Never heard of him :lol
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A GROUP of senior Essendon players is considering launching a class action against the AFL, and possibly the club, if found guilty of doping offences.
The Herald Sun understands at least three senior Bombers have told their managers they are keen to explore an action against the league, which would involve a legal firm covering the cost of the case and pocketing a percentage of any payout.
The players would also be suing for damages in the Supreme Court, for breach of duty of care and breach of contract in relation to the supplements scandal.
“They are wanting to explore a class action,” a source close to the players said last night. The players would prefer to sue the AFL rather than their own club — but understand it may be necessary to sue both organisations.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-consider-class-action-against-afl-and-bombers-if-found-guilty-of-doping/story-fndv8gad-1227277033708
:facepalm
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KEVIN Sheedy has labelled AFL’s drug scandal treatment of Essendon ‘sick’ - blasting a protracted and flawed case against the besieged club he hopes isn’t a sting.
“It is a very sick, ordinary case rolling out in Australian sport,” said Sheedy, who steered Essendon from 1981-2007.
“A three-year wait is ridiculous.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/kevin-sheedy-labels-the-afl-drug-scandal-treatment-of-essendon-sick-and-ridiculous/story-fndv8gad-1227276960183
:facepalm
:gobdrop so it's the AFL's fault they were injected with random stuff Dank could of got in the street and apparently their fault it got dragged on so long despite it being Hird dragging it through every legal system possilbe
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Its getting to the point where I want to see them cop 2 years no less.
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Obviously trying to influence the decision next week.
Tuesday the 31st at 2pm is D day now.
Good luck to them as I think they will struggle to get this anywhere. It's the bit about "if found guilty" that makes it look like a bluff. If found guilty, the onus is on the player, not the club, that whatever goes into their bodies is permitted. Did any of them check with ASADA before they voluntarily went to the Botox clinic for their injections?
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You mean the shed outback of Danks house?
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The footy show made a big deal about Barrett having a Dank exclusive but all it was was a quote from Dank saying Joe Daniher was given protein powder and tablets but no injections in 2012 (this was before he was officially drafted in November 2012 as a father-son).
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THE AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal will convene at Etihad Stadium next Tuesday at 2pm to decide the fate of 34 past and present Essendon players.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-27/time-for-dons-verdict
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So, what are our resident specialists predicting ?
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Hird to blame everyone except himself.
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That's already played out.
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6 month bans. No backdating.
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Without priority pics for finishing last
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Essendon drugs saga: How Stephen Dank ran the controversial supplement program
Carly Crawford
Herald-Sun
March 28, 2015
THE fridge in Stephen Dank’s office at Windy Hill wasn’t stocked with typical supplies.
Bottled water and sandwiches? No.
This was Essendon FC in 2012.
Peptides were on the menu.
The man they call “Danksy” stored hexarelin and other potions in this fridge, which he left unlocked in his disorderly office deep inside Bombers’ HQ.
The office doubled as a makeshift medical centre — it was here that Dank allegedly injected supplements into Essendon players and staff, including the club’s AFL legend coach James Hird.
Dank was not a qualified doctor. He wasn’t a pharmacist. He wasn’t even an accredited sports scientist, although he’d had years of experience working at professional sporting clubs.
Yet he was the man Essendon’s leaders had recruited to give their players, young men, the scientific edge they hoped might win them the flag.
As Essendon’s official sports scientist, Dank was a key part of their fitness team alongside high performance coach Dean “the Weapon” Robinson.
The pair had worked together previously, at The Gold Coast Suns, before moving south. Robinson, brought to the Bombers by Mark Thompson, had recommended his close, trusted friend Dank for the role.
So together, Dank and Robinson oversaw a regimen of jabs, pills, creams and intravenous drips that plunged the club — and the AFL — into the biggest doping crisis in the history of Australian sport.
Exactly who within the Bombers knew what about the controversial supplement program will be disputed for years to come.
And whether the club’s rampant, poorly regulated injection schedule amounted to doping will be decided in three days, when the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal hands down its verdict.
No matter the tribunal outcome, one thing is clear: the program was way out of line and possibly even harmful to players.
IT ALL started around September 2011, when Dank and Robinson met James Hird at his Toorak mansion for a chat about how they could “turn the club around” using cutting edge sports science.
Robinson’s recollection of that meeting — which Hird strongly disputes — was that Hird had declared he and Dank were now in the club’s “inner sanctum” and the coach wanted the pair to transform the players.
“He wanted me to bring bigger and stronger players to him,” Robinson told the Seven Network.
Robinson, the square-jawed fitness expert who had advised a long list of AFL and NRL teams, then made the unbelievable claim that Hird had suggested he and Dank should run a “black ops” supplement program.
Regardless of whether that is true (and there is a good chance it’s not given Hird’s denials) the evidence suggests Dank and Robinson enthusiastically embraced the idea of a secret supplement regimen.
The pair discussed concealing the specific peptides they were giving players and even made those players sign confidentiality forms.
In October 2011, Robinson texted Dank about a substance that is explicitly banned for use by athletes, a bodybuilding peptide called CJC-1295.
“Can we just call them amino acids? Or something of the kind?” Robinson wrote.
Dank replied: “Yes, that is all they are, an amino acid blend … Leave peptides out.”
Some players, and even Hird himself, recall being told they were receiving simple “amino acids”. Full stop.
Even club doctor Bruce “Doc” Reid was made to accept that scant description in the early weeks of this new supplement regimen.
The veteran medic, a much-loved fixture of the club, was considered yesterday’s man by those pushing this new science.
He wasn’t consulted when players’ blood samples were allegedly sent interstate to check for the WADA-banned substance Insulin Growth Factor 1 in November 2011.
Just why a secret test for a banned substance would even be carried out raised a big red flag for anti-doping investigators and presumably would have done the same had Reid been aware.
But that wasn’t all. The next month, Dank was placing orders for a long list of peptides.
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BY JANUARY 2012, Reid was very worried.
A club veteran, he had never seen anything like it and he was in the dark on too many important details.
When he heard players had been injected — without his knowledge — with a relatively unknown anti-obesity drug called AOD-9604, he hit the roof.
As far as he knew, the players had been getting vitamins and amino acids only.
“If we are resorting to deliver this altered growth hormone molecule, I think we are playing at the edge and this will read extremely badly in the press for our club … I have trouble with these drugs,” he wrote in letter to Hird and Essendon’s then football manager Paul Hamilton on January 17.
He went on to slam as “ludicrous” the use of calf’s blood as a recovery agent, saying it was based on “flimsy evidence”.
“I am sure Steve Dank believes that what we are doing is totally ethical and legal, however, one wonders whether if you take a long stance and look at this from a distance, whether you would want your children being injected with a derivative hormone that is not free to the community.”
But Doc Reid wasn’t the only Essendon health professional suspicious of the program.
When Robinson presented Hird with a copy of an academic paper co-authored by Dank about a supplement called Lactaway, the club dietitian took issue with it almost instantly.
Benita Lalor doubted whether the substance was effective and cautioned that it might even cause muscle damage.
An obviously frustrated Hird emailed a colleague: “This is what we are dealing with.”
For all his zeal, Hird did show restraint, issuing an email saying the program should not harm players and should comply with anti-doping rules.
But, according to Ziggy Switkowski’s review of the program, there was no real follow-up or monitoring to check these ground rules were ever followed.
Along the way, there were plenty of signs things were heading down a potentially dangerous path.
Hird suffered side effects after injecting himself with the Melan otan II allegedly given to him by Robinson. That was early in the piece — as far back as October 2011.
Hird had allegedly received vitamin injections and tablets — likely ephe drine and pro panol — himself.
Even Reid, the author of that explosive letter, was present when players later received the very treatments he had criticised.
IN FEBRUARY 2012, 38 players signed consent forms explaining to them what substances they would receive and instructing them to keep it all on the low-down.
According to the season-long supplement schedule, they were to receive an extraordinary 1500 j abs of AOD- 9604 and a substance described on the forms only as “thymo sin”.
On top of that, they would get 16,500 doses of colo-strum and 8000 doses of tri-bulus.
But the drug-fest didn’t end there. At least one player was given TA65, an anti-ageing tablet obtained from a clinician in South Yarra.
By March, players were being injected offsite — over the road, across town and eventually interstate.
Across the road from Windy Hill was a clinic called Skinovate, then run by a cosmetic doctor named Paul Spano.
There, drips — which had not been approved by Reid — were loaded with vitamin C and B were jammed into the veins of the players.
In all, Skinovate allegedly billed 155 IV treatments to the Bombers.
None of this amounted to doping, of course, and Dank and Hird spoke about it freely by text.
“All IV and injections completed,” wrote Dank.
Hird replied: “Great work mate, it would be a great effort to have them feeling fresh for Anzac Day.”
During a team trip to Queensland, a few players were taken to a clinic in the Gold Coast hinterland and given vitamin B and Acto-vegin. Reid was there.
In April, players and staff visited a chiropractor named Mal Hooper at his clinic, Hypermed, in South Yarra. There, they received 112 “amino acids” injections and 32 jabs of cere-brolysin, an anti-Alzheimers drug.
They also allegedly got injected with the mystery amino acid borrowed from a muscular dystrophy patient who got it in some pharmacy in Mexico.
All these off-site injections had the bespectacled Reid very concerned. By May, Dank had been told to stop.
But for three more months, until early August, the jabs continued.
By now, there was evidence Dank was trying new types of supplements.
WHEN a wave of soft tissue injuries struck the club, Hird asked his sports scientist for clues.
In April, he texted Dank: “Why do you reckon we are getting all the injuries?”
Dank said: “I need to use much more placental cells and Acto-vegin ... West Coast, Hawthorn and Collingwood’s tissues are biologically advanced. We need to change our biology for a little while.”
A text exchange shows that around this time, Dank had turned to a Melbourne pharmacist for help with the team’s soft tissue injuries.
The pharmacist suggests trying a new mixture, to which Dank replies: “Perfect, let’s get going. Have we tried it on anyone yet?”
Pharmacist: “Few dental injections for periodontal sockets but not for sporting.”
Dank: “Let us test a couple of players.”
It seemed Dank saw the whole thing as one big experiment in which these young players were used as guinea pigs.
When Dank moved to AFL from NRL, he told a former colleague he’d intended to “revolutionise” Australian Football.
He’d talk about which NRL players he thought he could turn into AFL stars, or in his words “prototypes”.
Dank had co-authored a number of academic papers. An academic colleague remembers his eccentric manner, his bad suits and his thirst for scientific knowledge.
“His academic credentials were a bit vague but what he does demonstrate is a real intellect and capacity for knowledge in different areas,” the colleague told the Herald Sun.
There is no suggestion any of this was malicious. In fact one source likened Dank’s activities to the man who created the nuclear bomb — he was so consumed by the science he perhaps failed to stop and think about the ethics.
ALL UP, ASADA identified 75 different substances as relevant to their Operation Cobia probe into possible doping in the NRL and AFL.
Most of the substances known to have been used at Essendon were not banned under anti-doping rules.
But there were others — like the mysterious Mexican concoction and the abbreviated “thy-mosin” on the consent forms — that still have everyone guessing.
Then there is the gear, like hexarelin, that doping investigators suspect may have been used on players, but cannot prove.
If Essendon is next week found to have committed doping violations, it will be because ASADA was able to persuade the tribunal the “thy-mosin” on the consent form was a reference to Thy-mosin beta 4 — a WADA-banned type of the drug commonly used on horses.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-drugs-saga-how-stephen-dank-ran-the-controversial-supplement-program/story-fndv8gad-1227281669383
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Lack of knowledge won't save Dons players from potential bans: Gill McLachlan
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-27/i-feel-for-the-players-
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Essendon doping verdict: Countdown is on to Bombers’ D-day
Grant Baker
Herald-Sun
March 29, 2015
IT’S been 779 days since the so-called “blackest day in Australian sport” sent the AFL and Essendon into chaos. In two days, it could all be over. Here are the possible results, and what it will mean for all parties.
THE PLAYERS
GUILTY
THE players can appeal the verdict on Tuesday straight after the hammer falls — or they can wait for sanctions to be decided before making a call on whether to fight.
They may not play while an appeal is pending. The players will face an anxious wait of days — possibly weeks — while sanctions hearings are held and final penalties decided.
For some, there may be a decision to appeal on principle.
For others — perhaps the players now at other clubs — brutal practicality may come into play. For them, a penalty which sees them sit out only a matter of a few matches might be acceptable — even if just to move on.
Although it is almost universally accepted in football that none of the players set out to cheat, a doping violation will unavoidably cast a stain on the players’ records and reputations.
If players miss out on match payments, future contracts, loss of marketing opportunities or face other complications related to the supplements program, they can sue the club and possibly even the AFL for damages and breach of duty of care, a scenario that some player managers say is already being considered.
NOT GUILTY
First comes the sigh of relief, then a game against grand finalist Sydney on Saturday afternoon.
The anxiety, though, will remain for up to 21 days while ASADA (and possibly even WADA) weigh up an appeal.
JAMES HIRD
GUILTY
Hird’s position must again be in real jeopardy.
Even many of his most ardent supporters have expressed the view that Hird can not continue to coach while the players sat out, suspended.
However, Hird has proved a stayer and it’s now thought his level of danger is proportional to the length of any suspensions.
He may survive a couple of weeks, but it is difficult to see him being retained if the season is totally wrecked by bans.
For some, a guilty verdict will further tarnish Hird’s reputation. But for a core group of supporters — who believe he has been wronged by the system and made scapegoat — Hird’s martyrdom will be cemented.
NOT GUILTY
Hird’s job will be assured.
And the question then becomes one of how he will react.
In word and deed, Hird has made it clear he believes the players, the club and he have been dealt with unfairly by ASADA, the AFL or both.
With that in mind, a strong desire to let loose the anger and emotion that has built up over more than two years is understandable. Or he may summon the will to park that anger, look ahead instead of behind and repair a very damaged but very necessary relationship with the AFL.
ESSENDON
GUILTY
Most immediately, there will be harm to the club’s on- field prospects in the short term as sanctions are decided and possibly served.
There will be questions to answer about whether board members and key executives in place at the time of the supplements regimen must resign.
The club will face off-field damage to its brand, which may result in lost revenue from sponsors and members.
A guilty verdict will leave Essendon exposed to possible damages claims from players, or big payouts if the club wants to avoid the courts.
A WorkSafe Victoria investigation into Essendon remains live, and would likely come into stark focus.
Importantly, the AFL has committed to not punishing the club a second time — after dishing out the toughest penalties in footy history for governance breaches back in 2013.
NOT GUILTY
There has been some speculation that Essendon may seek to have its AFL governance punishments — a $2 million fine and draft picks withheld — reversed if no doping offence is found to have been committed, but this seems highly unlikely.
As with Hird, there is a question about how the club publicly handles the result — and there is no doubt some at AFL House are concerned about how Essendon chairman Paul Little will respond.
He, remember, once said he had lost confidence in the AFL executive.
THE AFL
GUILTY
A finding of systematic, team-wide doping at an AFL club will mean a national and international black mark against the AFL’s reputation, regardless of any mitigating circumstances.
It will be an unprecedented situation in professional team sport.
The league must face up to a third consecutive season being horribly damaged — and it must quickly find a way to address the unfairness a big number of suspensions to Essendon players will cause to the fixture. On the near horizon is the prospect of the centenary of Anzac match — otherwise a huge marketing and financial boon — ruined.
The league has made no secret the doping scandal has damaged its brand, and a guilty finding would be another blow to its esteem.
In some ways, there will be a sense of vindication over the AFL’s treatment of Essendon before the 2013 finals.
Like Essendon, the AFL is facing a WorkSafe investigation and some player managers have flagged their desire to sue the league, as the ultimate employer of the players.
NOT GUILTY
The AFL will work with ASADA and WADA on reforming its anti-doping code, so that never again are three seasons so badly affected by a drugs scandal.
The league’s satisfaction at being able to stage a season not hampered by doping bans will be tempered by concern about what Little and Hird and even some of the players say and do.
ASADA
GUILTY
The anti-doping watchdog can claim total vindication of its processes and handling of what has been an unprecedented investigation after achieving result in both NRL and AFL cases.
It may also stave off a federal senate or judicial inquiry, something that appeared to be on the cards during Hird’s Federal Court challenge.
ASADA, which has operated on a shoestring budget of about $14 million a year, will also have strong grounds to seek more government money — armed with the argument the fight against doping now requires expensive investigation, not cheap drug testing.
NOT GUILTY
ASADA must weigh up its chances of success on appeal, likely in consultation with WADA.
It will face scrutiny and possible backlash in Canberra, where questions will be asked about the political and financial cost of a two-year investigation that has failed to land a prosecution — other than the backroom deals done in the NRL case.
JOBE WATSON’S BROWNLOW MEDAL
GUILTY
Watson’s grip on the medal he won in the year of the supplements regimen must come under threat — notwithstanding that no one in the football industry believes he knowingly set out to take banned substances. It is ultimately a decision for the AFL Commission.
The league has previously hinted it will be unlikely to strip Watson of the medal unless a case of wilful doping is proved. But those hints came at a time when the prospect of ASADA action against players seemed remote.
NOT GUILTY
The medal will remain his.
STEPHEN DANK
GUILTY
Don’t discount the possibility that Dank can be found guilty and harshly punished over charges that have nothing to do with allegations the players were administered Thymosin Beta-4. So a scenario in which Dank is punished, and the players not, is possible.
NOT GUILTY
Dank has not attended the tribunal or fought any of the charges. He has denied any wrongdoing but said the AFL tribunal is not the appropriate forum to put his case.
A not-guilty verdict in those circumstances is unlikely but possible.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-doping-verdict-countdown-is-on-to-bombers-d-day/story-fndv8gad-1227282451836
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A FORMER Essendon player seeking to sue the AFL has had an application to protect his identity rejected.
Lawyers for Hal Hunter, who did not appear in court on Wednesday, sought a suppression order on the basis that legal action would relate to medical treatment he received as well as his personal health records.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-25/hunter-sues-afl-dons
The former Essendon player taking legal action against the Bombers over health and safety concerns has ordered any documents involving two of the prominent drugs used during the club's "scientifically pioneering program" to be handed over.
Hal Hunter, who was rookie-listed by the Bombers from December 2011 until September 2013, has taken action in the Supreme Court, and has also listed the AFL as a defendant.
Hunter has particularly focused on the role played by Stephen Dank, the architect of the injection program from late 2011 and through 2012.
Hunter's lawyer Jim Constantinou, partner of Melbourne-based firm Schetzer Constantinou, wants "any documents between the Essendon Football Club and Mr Stephen Dank or any entity related to Mr Stephen Dank concerning the administering of AOD-9604 to employees of the Essendon Football Club" and "any documents between the Essendon Football Club and Mr Stephen Dank or any entity related to Mr Stephen Dank concerning the administering of thymosin beta-4 [also known as TB4] to employees of the Essendon Football Club."
Lawyers also want a copy of James Hird's interview with the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority and the AFL on April 16, 2013.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/former-bomber-takes-aim-at-scientifically-pioneering-program-20150328-1m9vo1.html
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Thymosin beta 4 not on WADA banned list: Stephen Dank
Jon Pierik
The Age
March 29, 2015 - 5.09pm
As calls come for a "root and branch" review of how the national anti-doping body completes its investigations, the man at the centre of the Essendon saga insists his supplements program was known at the highest levels of the club.
Ahead of Tuesday's verdict by the AFL anti-doping tribunal, Stephen Dank, the architect of the Bombers' 2012 supplements program, maintains the players were given nothing wrong and said the banned drug thymosin beta 4 (TB4) was not on the World Anti-Doping Agency's list of banned drugs.
Thirty-four past and present players are set to find out on Tuesday whether they are guilty of being administered the synthetic peptide.
"There was no substance labelled unfit for human use so anyone that tries to bandy that comment around apart from the fact the comment is totally false, we are now starting to accrue our legal case against people that have suggested as such. Under no circumstances was anything ever injected or given to a player which was unfit for human consumption," Dank told ABC News Radio on Sunday.
Dank gave sworn evidence to the ACC that he administered thymomodulin, an immunity booster safely given to infants, and not TB4.
He said TB4 "modulates the immune system" and "the reality is it has never appeared on a WADA bannedlist".
"The nonsense that is actually brought out in terms of its relationship to other items on 'schedule 2' is a complete nonsense because in terms of chemical structure, of biological activity, cellular biochemistry or pharmocology, it is in no way related to any substance ... to anything that appears on the WADA-banned list.
"In saying that, I am not putting a defence forward because we used it but with all due respect ... I have found it quite laughable that they have tried to establish it in a relationship that is on schedule 2. That in itself I find ridiculous."
It is not listed by name, but TB4 is a peptide that falls under WADA's S2 category for performance enhancing drugs.
In the interview with the ABC, Dank said "nothing had ever been established in terms of its [TB4] performance-enhancing activity".
He said it was "ridiculous" to suggest the protocols used for giving thymomodulin were the same as TB4.
Essendon believes its players were given thymomodulin, also a form of thymosin.
Dank said he had chosen not to release detailed information of what was given "but that will become a lot clearer over the next couple of weeks".
"To say that we have not offered the information is not correct," he said.
"We certainly weren't prepared to offer it either to ASADA or the AFL because to be really blunt, for the bastardisation of this process. We want to leave this to a forum which is fit and proper and certainly ... we would not waste our time in the 'kangaroo court'."
Dank, who initially was interviewed by the Australian Crime Commission, was handed an infraction notice by ASADA, but has refused to be interviewed by the anti-doping body.
Dank said he was considering legal action against the Bombers' 2013 internal report conducted by former Telstra boss, Ziggy Switkowski.
"It is really laughable to suggest we conducted anything in a pharmacologically experimental manner. It was well known what was used at Essendon Football Club so the furphy that has been portrayed by the AFL, ASADA and the Essendon Football Club, that they don't know, is completely wrong," he said.
"There were very tightly governed records in relation to what was administered to those players. They are aware of what was administered to those players. The absolute balderdash that has been served out there that no one knew is completely false.
"Just that it is completely false that these particular substances and the program wasn't discussed through the highest levels of the club. We have been very firm in terms of our belief in what ASADA, the AFL and Essendon know and for them to remotely suggest that no one knew, to be really blunt, is completely wrong and in some ways offending the process we set up at Essendon Football Club. We were very strict in the protocols we set up."
Former ASADA chief Richard Ings said the whole ordeal had highlighted ASADA's lack of experience in dealing with a "fairly complex, professional sport matter".
He told ABC News Radio there were "learnings" in terms of the ASADA legislation and said it was "just crazy" there were up to five levels of tribunal hearings available to the parties.
"I have long held the view that what is needed is a complete root-and-branch review of Australia's anti-doping framework," he said.
"This is a review of ASADA and its processes, this is a huge review of the ASADA Act and the processes under which ASADA must operate by law."
"While it's been a protracted ordeal, Ings said Essendon "certainly put itself in a position through 2011 and 2012 to invite this level of scrutiny".
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/thymosin-beta-4-not-on-wada-banned-list-stephen-dank-20150329-1ma7do.html
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"In saying that, I am not putting a defence forward because we used it but with all due respect ... I have found it quite laughable that they have tried to establish it in a relationship that is on schedule 2. That in itself I find ridiculous."
It is not listed by name, but TB4 is a peptide that falls under WADA's S2 category for performance enhancing drugs.
So let me gets this straight is now saying he did indeed give Essendon players TB4?
If yes, then how much more proof does there need to be?
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"In saying that, I am not putting a defence forward because we used it but with all due respect ... I have found it quite laughable that they have tried to establish it in a relationship that is on schedule 2. That in itself I find ridiculous."
It is not listed by name, but TB4 is a peptide that falls under WADA's S2 category for performance enhancing drugs.
So let me gets this straight is now saying he did indeed give Essendon players TB4?
If yes, then how much more proof does there need to be?
Yep WP. Why would he care if it's banned if he didn't give TB4 to the players?! :wallywink.
As if Dank will ever show up to a court. If you've got proof of innocence then you don't wait 3 years and counting and what will be after the players cop doping suspensions. He's full of crap!
It's just more from the Dank/Hird/Essendon dodgy handbook of BS:
"Oh, we didn't give the players these banned substances but you know they shouldn't really banned anyway."
"We want a quick resolution to this but we'll drag all this through the courts for 3 years to avoid the ASADA investigation"
"We can't or won't show any records of what we did give the players but if we did it would be in an appropriate forum. Note: a court of law, tribunal, ASADA/WADA investigation, media conference or anywhere where we'll clearly be shown up as talking crap for the past 3 years, do not class as an appropriate forum."
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Reports that the 34 players from Essendon have been found NOT GUILTY.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/supplements-saga/essendon-drug-scandal-the-verdict-20150331-1mbos1.html
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not guilty
what a farce
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Well it hard to find them guilty when they torched the evidence.
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Court stated "insufficient evidence" so the players got off. No decision on Dank mentioned yet.
Now it comes down to whether ASADA and WADA appeals in the next 21 days.
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Well it hard to find them guilty when they torched the evidence.
As someone said on BF - the shredder at Windy Hill won the case.
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Old essendon fella at work that is pretty well connected (I assume through golf which all these cashed up semi retirees seem to be into) heard from Little's mouth a few weeks back that they don't have enough evidence. Said it in a way that they didn't give enough evidence because in the end they were never obliged to.
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Yet people wonder why the game has became the way it is.
3 years for nothing
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Cheap food, fan friendly fixturing etc etc etc this sport has officially gone to the dogs.
Thanks Vladimir
Thanks Hird
Thanks EFC
Thanks ASADA and WADA.
Let's go after the real cheats who take a panadol or a monster energy drink.
Thanks for ruining what credibility this sport had left.
Disgrace.
A League and the recent success of the Socceroos is the way to go.
Shocking.
All we need now is Essendon to win a flag in the next few years to finally put AFL into the sewers
Have a smug Hird telling us if it wasn't for his and clubs persistance they would not be here. :chuck
Would rather pay $7 for a pie and watch Twilight Footy at the G v GWS on a Sunday than have this garbage spewed at the rank and file fan.
Yet the Pies kids, Crowley and Saad have had the ridicule of being named and shamed.
AFL should be rebranded HBFFC. Hird's Bomber Friendly Footy Comp.
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Not guilty??? Your kidding
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What I think the media and Essendon people are clearly missing is that the verdict is not guilty because the tribunal could not be satisfied that they have taken any banned substances
Not that they haven't taken anything, they just cannot be sure.
In other words the Bombers incompetency in record keeping has saved their players bacon
I will be interested to see of either ASADA or WADA appeal
Don't think this is over yet
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tribunal-verdict-insufficient-evidence-discussion-statement-in-post-2.1091559/page-6#post-37665076
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Essendon players not guilty of using banned peptide, AFL anti-doping tribunal finds
By Stephanie Chalkley-Rhoden
Updated 24 minutes ago
The AFL anti-doping tribunal has found 34 current and former Essendon players not guilty of using a banned supplement during the 2012 football season.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) had alleged the players were administered thymosin beta-4 as part of their fitness regime.
It means they are clear to play in the AFL's opening round this weekend.
The tribunal's chairman, David Jones, said the panel was not satisfied the players violated the AFL's doping code.
"The tribunal was comfortably satisfied that the substance thymosin beta-4 was at the relevant time a prohibited substance under the [anti-doping] code," he said.
"The tribunal was not comfortably satisfied that any player violated clause 11.2 of the AFL Anti-Doping Code."
He said the decision against "a former Essendon support person", believed to be Stephen Dank, who ran the club's supplements program during the time in question, would be made at a later date.
Mr Jones said it would not release its reason for the decision, but the parties involved were free to do so.
ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt said he was disappointed with the decision and Essendon had let down its players and supporters.
"What happened at Essendon in 2012 was, in my opinion, absolutely and utterly disgraceful," he said in a statement.
"It was not a supplements program but an injection regime and the players and the fans were so poorly let down by the club.
"While I am obviously disappointed that the charges in this instance have not been proven to the comfortable satisfaction of the tribunal, I am pleased that the tribunal was finally able to hear these matters."
The decision was handed down behind closed doors but the players' lawyer, David Grace QC, emerged a short time afterwards to confirm the players had been cleared.
He said he was happy with the decision but would not be drawn in to comment on whether reputations have been damaged by the long-running investigation.
"I don't want to comment about the strength or weakness of the case," he said.
"We mounted a very strong defence to the case and the result is here today."
Mr Grace also said he would not discuss whether the players would take any legal action in light of the decision.
"We're going to see the players now and talk to them and I think all they'll be interested in is playing on Saturday."
Much of the evidence put forward by ASADA had been circumstantial, with no player ever testing positive to the supplement.
ASADA had earlier indicated that if the tribunal's finding went against it, it would be more than willing to appeal and now has 21 days to launch a challenge.
It said it would hold a media conference on Wednesday morning.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-31/afl-anti-doping-tribunal-decision-on-essendon-supplements/6361006?section=sport
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Statement from AFLPA CEO Paul Marsh
AFL Players Association
Mar 31, 2015
The AFL Players’ Association welcomes today’s tribunal decision, in which all 34 current and former Essendon players have been cleared of an anti-doping rule violation.
We have always been of the view that these players have done nothing wrong and this has been confirmed by the Tribunal today.
This decision does not absolve the Essendon Football Club of blame. Players were placed in an unacceptable position that put their health and careers at risk.
For over two years these players’ lives have been hijacked by this issue through no fault of their own, and today’s decision brings a sense of overwhelming relief and vindication of the players’ consistent position of innocence throughout this saga.
The players have withstood enormous uncertainty, public scrutiny and speculation over their health, their careers, and their reputations. This decision finally brings that uncertainty and speculation to an end.
I would like to commend the players for the way in which they have conducted themselves over the past two years. Players have honestly, candidly and transparently cooperated with the process and can hold their heads high that this decision has cleared them of any wrong doing.
We are relieved this matter is now closed and we, as an industry, can get on with the footy. We believe this matter provides an opportunity for genuine industry reflection to ensure this type of situation never happens again.
The PA will continue to work with the AFL and Clubs to do everything we can to make sure no player’s health is ever put at risk again in the pursuit of on-field success.
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/statement-from-ceo-paul-marsh-4/
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Hmmm.
Decision on the other person (presumably Dank) to come later
Now if he is found guiltily of supplying and administering banned substances then how can the players not be found guilty of taking them?
Just asking?
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Just appeal for the fun of it. Essendon dragged it on so why don't ASADA?
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Just appeal for the fun of it. Essendon dragged it on so why don't ASADA?
I would
But I reckon it might be WADA rather than ASADA doing the appealing.
Bombers need to be careful
Players play this weekend, then if an appeal is successful then penalties kick from when they last played
Perfect scenario ;D
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Personally Im stunned and yet not. The AFL had to protect its games and TV rights. Lying is the second laguage of the AFL. So its not surprising no one in footy admin wanted a guilty. Im sure quiet words would have been spoken to various parties and explicit instructions to players. Steven Dank wil be found guilty of some minor charge of bad record keeping and will dissappear into the sunset.
I think they did it and believe they should have got 6 months but the game is more important than the rules.
Blood doping parties all round is my guess now. Great for endurance, impossible to detect unless you catch them in the act. And now we have a verdict that ASADA needs a positive test to get a conviction.
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I'm preparing myself for the holier than thou Mr Hird saying we told you so.
There is no god, i'm giving up praying.
There is no justice, so i won't bother getting on the anti-Collingwood bandwagon now because what would be the point.
Just another nail in the footy coffin for me
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Just appeal for the fun of it. Essendon dragged it on so why don't ASADA?
I would
But I reckon it might be WADA rather than ASADA doing the appealing.
Bombers need to be careful
Players play this weekend, then if an appeal is successful then penalties kick from when they last played
Perfect scenario ;D
Asada will decide tomorrow if they are appealing
WP what's the point?
It's done the cheats got off on lack of evidence
Asada. Lol are they a fair dinkum organisation
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Just appeal for the fun of it. Essendon dragged it on so why don't ASADA?
I would
But I reckon it might be WADA rather than ASADA doing the appealing.
Bombers need to be careful
Players play this weekend, then if an appeal is successful then penalties kick from when they last played
Perfect scenario ;D
Excellent scenario ;D
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This entire time they've been brokering deals.
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I'm preparing myself for the holier than thou Mr Hird saying we told you so.
There is no god, i'm giving up praying.
There is no justice, so i won't bother getting on the anti-Collingwood bandwagon now because what would be the point.
Just another nail in the footy coffin for me
All we got today from Hird was crocodile tears, more denial (the players were cleared James; not the club or yourself) and once again not taking responsibility ("I didn't choose the supplements").
'I'm so sorry', says relieved Essendon coach James Hird
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-31/im-so-sorry-hird
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Dank also had his say:
While most key figures in the controversy, including Essendon coach James Hird and AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan, say they are keen to move on, Dank remains furious.
"I've understood from the very early days how this thing was stage-managed," he told the Nine Network.
"I think we know the script was written from day one ... by the Australian Football League.
"There are still things that I need to do going forward that I will do and my legal team will do."
But Dank's sharpest barb was saved for ASADA.
"They've been very, very poor in their conduct, execution and understanding of this whole investigation," he said.
"The players never took anything that was illegal or anything that was against the WADA-prohibited list.
"The players were not guilty of anything. I'm very happy for the players."
Dank also revealed a depth of support for coach James Hird, who he said was fully behind the supplements program.
"He showed a lot of faith in the program in 2012, he showed a lot of support, he believed in the program," he said.
"We had a very, very good relationship, never one cross word.
"He showed enormous courage in the back end, particularly in relation to the Federal Court matter.
"It was a shame he never continued through to the High Court.
"I have no doubt that he got an unbelievable amount of pressure put on him by the club in relation to those appeals."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-31/mcdevitt-slams-disgraceful-dons-as-dank-returns-fire
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Asada will decide tomorrow if they are appealing
WP what's the point?
It's done the cheats got off on lack of evidence
Asada. Lol are they a fair dinkum organisation
Because there is a force more powerful and more professional than ASADA and that's WADA
And just as aside, they had Justin Quill (sports lawyer) on 3AW while I was driving home and he was asked about what happens regarding the provisional suspension if there is an appeal. He said that as the players are now deemed "not guilty" then they are allowed to play. If said appeal is successful then any games played wont impact on the penalty that is they don't get recognised as a start date for any penalties.... was extremely disappointed to hear that
But I still hope they appeal.... drag it on for a few months and then see suspension take effect say halfway through the season
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Reckon people's reactions just further highlight why this hearing should have been made public
Unless we know the "whys" & "hows" of how the tribunal reached their decision then a vast majority of footy fans will continue to believe there's been some sort of cover up
I believe we deserve to know why & how
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Caro doesn't believe ASADA will appeal.
Barrett on Footy Classified had some snippets from the anti-doping tribunal findings:
* The supplement program at Essendon was "deplorable". Deplorable records, deplorable book-keeping, etc ...
* The program began without Doc Reid's knowledge or approval and when he did become aware of it and wanted it stopped, it still continued.
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* The program began without Doc Reid's knowledge or approval and when he did become aware of it and wanted it stopped, it still continued.
All well and good for the Doc but he didn't stop it and stood back al let it continued
If he was so upset by it why did he stay and watch it all unfold?
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Deplorable record keeping?
Deplorable isn't exactly the word I'd use..
Obviously they got rid of the evidence & so far as I am concerned Essendon FC cannot clear their name until they provide it.
Therefor the case may be officially closed.. but the stain on that filthy club & it's players will remain forever.
Because of 'confidentiality' and lack of transpareny, Jobe is the face of it. His Brownlow is forever tainted too.
Public perception of the Bombers will always be that they are a cheating club and as others have said this is just another nail in the coffin the AFL competition.
DISGRACE.
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Reckon people's reactions just further highlight why this hearing should have been made public
Unless we know the "whys" & "hows" of how the tribunal reached their decision then a vast majority of footy fans will continue to believe there's been some sort of cover up
I believe we deserve to know why & how
Should have a jury-type panel with a representative from all clubs on it to deliberate this stuff, not shady jobs like this.
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ASADA says an appeal is a 'live optiin' but they want to go through the 130+ page judgement thoroughly first.
WADA can also come over the top and appeal to the C.A.S.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/asada-keeps-essendon-bombers-samples-on-ice-after-afl-anti-doping-tribunal-verdict/story-fni5f6kv-1227286951262
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THE WORLD Anti-Doping Agency will wait on the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority's decision before deciding whether it will appeal against the 'not guilty' verdicts of 34 past and present Essendon players.
In a statement released to AFL.com.au early Wednesday morning, WADA director general David Howman confirmed his organisation would review the case, but only once local processes were exhausted.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-01/wada-waits-over-dons
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ASADA boss Ben McDevitt has revealed his concern that crucial records of the Essendon supplements program may have been "either destroyed or removed".
In an exclusive interview with Fairfax Media, Mr McDevitt warned of fresh show-cause notices if evidence emerged of document destruction in an attempt to cover-up the use of a banned substance.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-chief-reveals-concern-that-essendon-records-may-have-been-destroyed-20150401-1mcthw.html
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Leading player manager Craig Kelly has said he still holds fears for the health of the 34 Essendon footballers regularly injected by the club in 2012, and he has not ruled out those players taking further action to learn what substances they were given.
Kelly, whose Elite Sports Properties handles the affairs of 14 of the 34, including Bombers captain Jobe Watson, said while he was relieved they had been cleared of doping, the medical scenario faced by the players was "scary".
"It's a disgrace what happened to them at the club," Kelly told Fairfax Media.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essendon-bombers/manager-still-holds-fears-for-health-of-dons-players-20150401-1mcyib.html
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ASADA boss Ben McDevitt has revealed his concern that crucial records of the Essendon supplements program may have been "either destroyed or removed".
In an exclusive interview with Fairfax Media, Mr McDevitt warned of fresh show-cause notices if evidence emerged of document destruction in an attempt to cover-up the use of a banned substance.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-chief-reveals-concern-that-essendon-records-may-have-been-destroyed-20150401-1mcthw.html
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Leading player manager Craig Kelly has said he still holds fears for the health of the 34 Essendon footballers regularly injected by the club in 2012, and he has not ruled out those players taking further action to learn what substances they were given.
Kelly, whose Elite Sports Properties handles the affairs of 14 of the 34, including Bombers captain Jobe Watson, said while he was relieved they had been cleared of doping, the medical scenario faced by the players was "scary".
"It's a disgrace what happened to them at the club," Kelly told Fairfax Media.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essendon-bombers/manager-still-holds-fears-for-health-of-dons-players-20150401-1mcyib.html
On average 1 in 4 people have a brush with cancer. 34 players means about 8 of them will have some sort of cancer at some time in their lives.
The club will get sued at some stage in the future.
This is not over.
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Senior Dons players questioned jabs in 2012 program
Grant Baker, Michael Warner
Herald-Sun
April 03, 2015
SENIOR players including Mark McVeigh “bluntly” questioned the Bombers’ injection regimen shortly after it was introduced in 2012, the AFL tribunal’s judgment in the failed doping case against the Essendon 34 reveals.
Current and former players were cleared this week of using banned peptide Thymosin beta-4.
The 132-page judgment, obtained by the Herald Sun, reveals some of the players’ views of the controversial supplements program.
The Herald Sun has chosen only to name players who have previously been identified.
The report — the public release of which is being considered by the players — states that in January 2012 concerns were raised at a player leadership meeting.
Essendon captain Jobe Watson told ASADA interviewers McVeigh “used blunt words” to question the injection program led by former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank, who is still awaiting judgment from the tribunal.
“Mark was saying, ‘What the hell’s this new supplement program that we’re doing? What is it? These injections, s---, I don’t like it. Where’s it coming from? I want to know ... the players were concerned ... I’ve never heard of injections being done before’.
“That was the common theme from the group.”
McVeigh, who retired at the end of the 2012 season and is now an assistant coach at GWS, initially expressed shock that Essendon was being investigated in February 2013. But after being interviewed by ASADA four months later, he admitted to being alarmed by what he had been told.
The judgment states the player leadership meeting occurred the day before club doctor Bruce Reid wrote to coach James Hird and football boss Paul Hamilton, also raising his concerns about the program. Following the player meeting, fitness boss Dean Robinson drafted consent forms for players to sign.
Professor David Handelsman, director of reproductive endocrinology and andrology at the ANZAC Research Institute, was asked to comment on the consent form when he gave evidence to the tribunal.
Prof Handelsman described the form as “alarmingly inadequate” because, among other reasons, there was “no description of what Thymosin is or what it does”, and that it “fails to provide sufficient information and adequate understanding of participation; no description of the manner or site of injection; no proper description of risks including listing of reported side-effects”.
He also noted “numerous spelling and grammatical mistakes indicating an unprofessional construction”.
The judgment says Angus Monfries — now at Port Adelaide — “recalled Mr Hird saying that they would be pushing the boundaries but it would be completely legal and state of the art”.
Another player recalled Robinson told the players that the program was like being on a cliff and going right to the end — but not over it.
The judgment also states the players were “directed to keep the program secret”.
Paddy Ryder, also now at Port, recalled: “It had to stay in-house because they didn’t want it getting out ... they thought that this would give us a competitive edge.”
The tribunal found it could not be comfortably satisfied the players had been administered Thymosin beta-4. But it delayed its judgment against Mr Dank on a raft of charges related to that substance and several others. He maintains he did not give the players any banned or harmful drugs, and yesterday said he intended to sue ASADA and the AFL for defamation.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has dismissed the furore surrounding the Essendon doping scandal.
“Sure, sport has got to be clean, sport has got to be fair, there’s no way any of these young players should be misled or mistreated, but I think, frankly, we have made mountains out of molehills,” he said.
http://www.news.com.au/national/senior-dons-players-questioned-jabs-in-2012-program/story-e6frfkp9-1227289772267
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Mark McVeigh hey.
I can clearly remember him calling Kyle Reimers disgruntled for getting delisted.
Vitamin C anyone.
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Is there a BoycottTheBombers campaign for 2015 and 2016?
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ASADA boss gets support from anti-doping agencies around the world.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/asada-boss-gets-support-from-antidoping-agencies-around-the-world-20150405-1merqm.html
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Is there a BoycottTheBombers campaign for 2015 and 2016?
A Booooooo Hird campaign is on. Swans fans gave it Hird near the end of their game when his face was shown on the big screen. Just imagine what the Tiger Army reaction will be at Dreamtime at the 'G this year.
By the way, love the joke going around since the Bombers lost.
Q. What is the expiry date of Thymosin Beta-4?
A. Three quarters.
;D
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http://www.news.com.au/national/meet-the-millionaire-who-struck-bombers-peace-deal/story-e6frfkp9-1227292301387 (http://www.news.com.au/national/meet-the-millionaire-who-struck-bombers-peace-deal/story-e6frfkp9-1227292301387)
interesting ::)
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http://www.news.com.au/national/meet-the-millionaire-who-struck-bombers-peace-deal/story-e6frfkp9-1227292301387 (http://www.news.com.au/national/meet-the-millionaire-who-struck-bombers-peace-deal/story-e6frfkp9-1227292301387)
interesting ::)
Just read it, thought exactly the same thing and a bit more ;D
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The headline gives it away....
Charters would have pocketed a tidy sum.
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The headline gives it away....
Charters would have pocketed a tidy sum.
No I was thinking more along the lines that in the article it says Essendon wanted to and did everything by the book but at the same time they have meetings with one of ASADA's main witnesses and after said meeting he changed his story.
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Without coercive powers ASADA is up shyte creek and this case has proven it. Not even the chemist testified in the end. In theory he, not being in the AFL system, was independent but obviously he or his business did have something to lose. Future customer's probably.
It was in no ones interest for the truth to come out. In those situations ASADA need both a stick and a carrot. First cab off the rank gets off scott free and chemists and other professionals risk losing their practicing certificate if they dont keep accurate records and testify under oath or some other stick.
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Essendon peptide records may have 'disintegrated' says Stephen Dank
Jon Pierik
The Age
April 15, 2015
Stephen Dank, the architect of the Essendon supplements program, says the missing paperwork central to identifying what peptides had been administered to players was left with the Bombers but may now have "somehow disintegrated".
In an interview on Sky News on Tuesday night, Dank also claimed Bombers club doctor Bruce Reid endorsed the initial player blood tests, attacked AFL integrity officer Brett Clothier for not acting after his discussion about peptides with coach James Hird in 2011, and called for a Senate inquiry into the handling of the saga.
Stephen Dank, seen here during Tuesday night's interview, has called for a Senate inquiry into the handling of the supplements saga.
Stephen Dank, seen here during Tuesday night's interview, has called for a Senate inquiry into the handling of the supplements saga. Photo: Courtesy Sky News
The 34 past and present players who had been charged with being administered the banned drug thymosin beta-4 were cleared by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal, with a key reason being the lack of paperwork outlining what they had been given in 2011 and '12.
Dank says he administered the legal drug thymomodulin, insisting the Bombers had said their players had respiratory problems and needed help dealing with colds and flu.
Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority chief Ben McDevitt has urged Dank to deliver his records, but the man himself says he left all information with the club when he was sacked.
During the interview, Dank turned the spotlight on to the Bombers, declaring they should have the records.
"I left them with Essendon Football Club on the day that I left the football club. They are the property of Essendon Football Club," he said.
Dank said he did not have his own copy, conceding pages of information "could have" been binned.
"I think part of the issue was that, of course, they were moving premises. (At) that particular stage in 2012, we were at Windy Hill. Of course, they have taken up new premises near the airport," he said.
"So it certainly could have been the case that they were clearing out."
He said there had been individual folders for the various supplements used.
Endorsing the claims of Hird and fitness chief Dean Robinson that they wanted a safe and legal program, albeit one that was "head and shoulders" above rival clubs, Dank said he was forced to initially keep manual records.
"I started recording those manually in written notes waiting for the IT department to offer a vehicle by which we could record straight on there," he said.
"It didn't happen, so around about January 22 was when I took it on myself to start my own excel spreadsheet. (I) put all the written information in there and continued recording on excel spreadsheets."
The Bombers have said the AFL had forensic accounting firm Deloitte seize every computer hard drive and other records at the club as soon as it revealed it had reported its supplements program .
He said records kept by anti-ageing clinics Skinovate and Hypermed, where the players received treatment and had been injected, had been handed to ASADA.
He also "believed" the consent forms players had signed had been given to the anti-doping body.
"We kept quite a deal of paperwork, for a better term, at the club, during that football season. That particular paperwork was crucial to the management of the program," he said.
"Then suddenly the whole issue blows up post February 5, 2013, and we are hearing that there is no paperwork."
Dank said Reid, who would later outline his concerns about the program in a letter to Hird and football chief Paul Hamilton in January 2012 and to the AFL, had "never" objected to the blood tests and the program.
He denied claims Reid had been "marginalised".
"Certainly the indications while I was there was that he was. And one thing that has really struck me since I left Essendon that every person who has been involved in this investigation has come out with all sorts of statements after I left.
"But the reality is I had plenty of support while I was there. They all knew the processes, they all knew what was happening, and suddenly I am finding out about issues post February (2013)," he said.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-peptide-records-may-have-disintegrated-says-stephen-dank-20150414-1ml5yc.html
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what a disgrace
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Is there a BoycottTheBombers campaign for 2015 and 2016?
A Booooooo Hird campaign is on. Swans fans gave it Hird near the end of their game when his face was shown on the big screen. Just imagine what the Tiger Army reaction will be at Dreamtime at the 'G this year.
when the bummers run onto the ground and their song is played, every opposition supporter should stand and turn their back on them. This would say more than simply booing, which may even spur them on
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Where's Danks evidence that will clear any players of guilt?
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Where's Danks evidence that will clear any players of guilt?
Goneskis
It "somehow disintegrated" he said
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Serious
, you, the people should refuse to go to Essendon games.
Make a thing out of it.
I'm already contributing as I had enough years ago.
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Where's Danks evidence that will clear any players of guilt?
Goneskis
It "somehow disintegrated" he said
So the evidence he supposedly had, which he supposedly left and Essendon, that has supposedly disintegrated was all in the same? And he was supposedly meant to clear their names
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Stephen Dank cleared on Thymosin Beta 4 charges but guilty of 10 breaches of anti-doping code
The Age
April 17, 2015 - 4:41PM
The AFL anti-doping tribunal has found Stephen Dank guilty on 10 breaches of the AFL anti-doping code, however he has been cleared on three charges relating to banned substance Thymosin Beta 4.
The tribunal was not comfortably satisfied that Dank had administered or attempted to administer Thymosin Beta 4 to various Essendon players, nor that he had assisted, encouraged, aided, abetted or covered up administration of the peptide.
This follows the tribunal's decision last month to clear the 34 current and former Essendon players of taking the banned substance on the basis that there was insufficient evidence.
The AFL confirmed the tribunal's decision late on Friday, saying "the former Essendon support person has been found guilty of 10 breaches of the AFL Anti-Doping Code".
"The breaches include trafficking, attempting to traffick and complicity in matters related to a range of prohibited substances," said a spokesman for the league.
Prohibited substances are:: • Hexarelin • Humanofort - Insulin Growth Factor 1, Insulin Growth Factor 2, Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) more
— Patrick Keane (@AFL_PKeane) April 17, 2015
Dank, the sports scientist at the centre of the 16-month long investigation into Essendon's supplements program during the 2012 season has maintained that he never gave the players Thymosin Beta 4, despite telling Fairfax Media in an interview two years ago that he had supplied the drug.
Dank later contacted Fairfax Media to clarify that he had given the players Thymosin Alpha, also known as Thymomodulin, which is not banned.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has until Tuesday to appeal the decision handed down in favour of the 34 players. Once that time has elapsed, the World Anti-Doping Authority has a further three weeks to challenge the verdict.
More to come
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stephen-dank-cleared-on-thymosin-beta-4-charges-but-guilty-of-10-breaches-of-antidoping-code-20150417-1mnho6.html
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Anti-Doping Tribunal Decision: AFL Statement
afl.com.au
April 17, 2015 5:03 PM
THE AFL General Counsel Andrew Dillon today received the decision of the AFL Anti- Doping Tribunal this afternoon, in the matter of the former Essendon Football Club support person.
The Tribunal has found that the former Essendon support person has been found guilty of 10 breaches of the AFL Anti-Doping Code.
The breaches include trafficking, attempting to traffick and complicity in matters related to a range of prohibited substances.
The prohibited substances are:
- Hexarelin
- Humanofort - namely Insulin Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1), Insulin Growth Factor 2 (IGF – 2), Mechano Growth Factor (MGF), Fibroblast Growth Factor (FGF), Follistatin and Thymosin Beta 4
- CJC-1295· GHRP6
- SARMS
Mr Dillon said the Tribunal had advised the AFL a decision on sanction would be made at hearing on Tuesday May 5.
Mr Dillon said the case had been the most complex ever tried by the AFL Tribunal and, on behalf of the AFL, he wished to thank the Tribunal Chairman, David Jones, and members John Nixon and Wayne Henwood for their work.
“The circumstances surrounding the case have been extremely difficult, given the amount of information and the number of parties involved, and the professionalism and diligence of the Tribunal has been greatly appreciated by the AFL.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-17/full-statement-from-afl-antidoping-tribunal-chairman
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So he is guilty of trafficking these drugs (including Thymosin beta 4) and giving them to support staff but not the players.
Ok.
:gobdrop
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Stephen Dank found guilty by anti-doping tribunal — but not on all charges
Grant Baker
Herald Sun
April 17, 2015
FORMER Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank has been found guilty of 10 charges by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal.
Dank had been hit with 34 separate infractions.
The verdict follows the clearing of 34 current and former Bombers last month of using the banned peptide Thymosin Beta-4.
Dank’ breaches include trafficking, attempting to traffick and complicity in matters related to a range of prohibited substances.
The prohibited substances are:
— Hexarelin
— Humanofort — namely Insulin Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1), Insulin Growth Factor 2 (IGF – 2), Mechano Growth Factor (MGF), Fibroblast Growth Factor (FGF), Follistatin and Thymosin Beta 4
— CJC-1295
— GHRP6
— SARMS
A hearing to decide Dank’s penalty will be held on Tuesday May 5.
Dank was cleared of charges that related to administering Thymosin Beta 4 and Hexarelin to Essendon players.
But the tribunal was comfortably satisfied that Dank was complicit in “assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up and/or other type of complicity in connection with attempted trafficking in, by selling, giving transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing” prohibited substances to support staff at Essendon, Gold Coast, Carlton and in the sport of baseball.
AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon said in a statement the case had been the most complex ever tried by the AFL Tribunal.
“The circumstances surrounding the case have been extremely difficult, given the amount of information and the number of parties involved, and the professionalism and diligence of the tribunal has been greatly appreciated by the AFL.”
Dank was previously banned for life by the NRL over his involvement in Cronulla’s 2011 supplements program. Ten NRL players accepted back-dated 12-month for their invovlement in the programme in 2014.
STATEMENT BY DAVID JONES, CHAIRMAN OF THE AFL ANTI-DOPING TRIBUNAL
The Tribunal today provided to the parties its decision, which was unanimous, and reasons for the decision with respect to alleged violations of the AFL Anti-Doping Code by a former support person at the Essendon and Gold Coast Football Clubs.
The decision is as follows (the numbers refer to the infraction notice issued to the former support person on 14 November 2014):
2(A) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Anti-Doping Code by administering a substance prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely Thymosin Beta 4, to various Essendon Football Club athletes (Players) between about January 2012 and September 2012.
2(B) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Anti-Doping Code by attempting to administer a substance prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely Thymosin Beta 4, to various Essendon Football Club Players between about January 2012 and September 2012.
2(C) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Anti-Doping Code by assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up and/or other type of complicity in connection with administration and/or attempted administration of a substance prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely Thymosin Beta 4, to various Essendon Football Club Players between about January 2012 and September 2012.
3(A) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Anti-Doping Code by administering a substance prohibited both in and out-of- competition, namely Hexarelin, to various Essendon Football Club Players between about January 2012 and September 2012.
3(B) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Anti-Doping Code by attempting to administer a substance prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely Hexarelin, to various Essendon Football Club Players between about January 2012 and September 2012.
3(C) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Anti-Doping Code by assisting, encouraging aiding, abetting, covering up and/or other type of complicity in connection with administration and/or attempted administration of a substance prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely Hexarelin, to various Essendon Football Club Players between about January 2012 and September 2012
4(A) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.6 of the AFL Anti-Doping Code by actually possessing, at various times between about January 2012 and September 2012, one or more substances prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely Thymosin Beta 4 and/or Hexarelin, in connection with athletes (players) competition and/or training at Essendon Football Club.
4(B) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.6 of the AFL Anti-Doping Code by constructively possessing, at various times between about January 2012 and September 2012, of one or more substances prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely Thymosin Beta 4 and/or Hexarelin, in connection with Players competition and/or training at Essendon Football Club.
4(C) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.6 of the AFL Anti-Doping Code by possessing by purchase, at various times between about January 2012 and September 2012, one or more substances prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely Thymosin Beta 4 and/or Hexarelin, in connection with Players competition and/or training at Essendon Football Club.
4(D) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Anti-Doping Code by assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up and/or other type of complicity in connection with the actual possession, constructive possession and/or possession by purchase at various times between about January 2012 and September 2012, of one or more substances prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely Thymosin Beta 4 and/or Hexarelin, in connection with Players competition and/or training at Essendon Football Club.
5(A) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.6 of the AFL Code by actually possessing, on or about 24 April 2012 and/or 14 June 2012, a substance prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely a Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator (SARM), in connection with Players, competition and training at Essendon Football Club.
5(B) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.6 of the AFL Code by constructively possessing, on or about 24 April 2012 and/or 14 June 2012, a substance prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely a SARM, in connection with athletes, competition and training at Essendon Football Club.
5(C) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.6 of the AFL Code by possessing by purchase, on or about 24 April 2012 and/or 14 June 2012, a substance prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely a SARM, in connection with Players, competition and training at Essendon Football Club.
5(D) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Code by assisting, encouraging, aiding and abetting, covering up and/or other type of complicity in connection with the actual possession, constructive possession and/or possession by purchase on or about 24 April 2012 and/or 14 June 2012, of a substance prohibited both in and out-of-competition, namely a SARM, in connection with Players competition and training at Essendon Football Club
6(A) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by trafficking in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties, namely Essendon and athletes of the club a prohibited substance, namely Thymosin Beta 4, in injectable form, between about January 2012 and September 2012
6(B) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by attempting to traffick in, by selling, giving transporting, sending, delivery and/or distributing to a third party or parties, namely Essendon and athletes of the club a prohibited substance namely Thymosin Beta 4, in injectable form, between about January 2012 and September 2012
6(C) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Code by assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up and/or other type of complicity in connection with the trafficking in or attempted trafficking in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties, namely the Essendon Football Club and athletes of the club a prohibited substance, namely Thymosin Beta 4, in injectable form, between about January 2012 and September 2012
7(A) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by trafficking in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties, namely the Essendon Football Club and athletes and support persons of the club a prohibited substance, namely Hexarelin, between about January 2012 and September 2012.
7(B) The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by attempting to traffick in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties, namely support persons of the club, a prohibited substance, namely Hexarelin, between about January 2012 and September 2012.
7(C) The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Code by assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up and/or other type of complicity in connection with trafficking in or attempted trafficking in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing, to a third party or parties, namely the Essendon Football Club, a prohibited substance, namely Hexarelin, between about January 2012 and September 2012.
8(A) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by trafficking in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties, namely the Essendon Football Club and athletes, prohibited substances in a product known as Humanofort, namely Insulin Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1), Insulin Growth Factor 2 (IGF-2), Mechano Growth Factor (MGF), Fibroblast Growth Factor (FGF), Follistatin and Thymosin Beta 4, between about January 2012 and September 2012.
8(B) The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by attempting to traffick in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties, namely the Essendon Football Club and athletes of the club, prohibited substances in a product known as Humanofort, namely Insulin Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1), Insulin Growth Factor 2 (IGF-2), Mechano Growth Factor (MGF), Fibroblast Growth Factor (FGF), Follistatin and Thymosin Beta 4, between about January 2012 and September 2012.
8(C) The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up and/or other type of complicity in connection with attempted trafficking in, by selling, giving transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties, namely the Essendon Football Club and athletes of the club, prohibited substances in a product known as Humanofort, namely Insulin Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1), Insulin Growth Factor 2 (IGF-2), Mechano Growth Factor (MGF), Fibroblast Growth Factor (FGF), Follistatin and Thymosin Beta 4, between about January 2012 and September 2012.
9(A) The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by trafficking in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing, to a Carlton Football Club support person, one or more prohibited substances, namely MGF, between about March 2012 and October 2012.
10(A) The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by trafficking in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties, namely the Gold Coast Suns Football Club and support persons of the club, a prohibited substance, namely CJC-1295, in December 2010.
10(B) The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by attempting to traffick in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties, namely the Gold Coast Suns Football Club and support persons of the club, a prohibited substance, namely CJC-1295, in December 2010.
10(C) The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Code by assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up and/or other type of complicity in connection with trafficking in or attempted trafficking in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties, namely the Gold Coast Suns Football Club and support persons of the club, in a prohibited substance, namely CJC-1295, in December 2010.
11 The Tribunal is not comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Code by assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up and/or other type of complicity in connection with the use or attempted use of a prohibited substance, namely CJC-1295, by a player at the Gold Coast Suns Football Club, in December 2010.
12(A) The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by trafficking in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties in the sport of baseball, one of more prohibited substances, namely GHRP6, between February 2012 and March 2012.
12(C) The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.8 of the AFL Code by assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up and/or other type of complicity in connection with trafficking in or attempted trafficking in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing to a third party or parties in the sport of baseball, one or more prohibited substances, namely Hexarelin, SARMS, CJC-1295 and GHRP6 between February 2012 and March 2012.
13(A) The Tribunal is comfortably satisfied that the former support person violated clause 11.7 of the AFL Code by trafficking in, by selling, giving, transporting, sending, delivering and/or distributing, to a third party or parties who were customers of the Medical Rejuvenation Clinic, a prohibited substance of substances, including namely GHRP6 and Mechano Growth Factor, between November 2011 and September 2012.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/stephen-dank-found-guilty-by-anti-doping-tribunal-but-not-on-all-charges/story-e6frg1xu-1227308267217
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Winners = Lawyers from both sides! :cheers
Losers = the football supporters everywhere .... :(
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Winners = Lawyers from both sides! :cheers
Losers = the football supporters everywhere .... :(
The players are still losers too. They may have got off because the tribunal wasn't "completely satisfield" but they (and us the footy supporters) still don't know what the hell was injected into them, which is a disgrace.
Dank - "Oh, the dog ate my records" ::).
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afl giving fifa a run for most corrupt organisation going around.
Yep just supplied support staff and external cients, not the players
stuff off
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afl giving fifa a run for most corrupt organisation going around.
Yep just supplied support staff and external cients, not the players
stuff off
Yeah, we weren't trying to hide anything. Just injected the players offsite and "disintegrated" all the records so there was no "comfortably satisfied" proof of what we actually did ::).
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Anyone seen Alan Jones' interview with Stephen Dank on Sky News :facepalm. Talk about 40 mins of dorothy dixers with Dank once again passing the buck and blaming everyone else for there being no trace of his records ::).
He also said he's going to sue Caro. Good luck with that :wallywink.
http://www.skynews.com.au/video/program_richojones/2015/04/14/stephen-dank-on-drug-supplement-saga.html
He's also going to appeal the Anti-Doping tribunal findings and wants a Senate injury. Even Hird said he'll rock up and give his "poor ol' me" version :nopity.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stephen-dank-to-appeal-guilty-findings-20150419-1modie.html
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-willing-to-appear-at-senate-inquiry-into-asada/story-fni5f6kv-1227310975079
ASADA have until Tuesday to appeal if they do.
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ASADA has opted not to appeal the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal findings.
WADA now has 21 days to appeal.
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ASADA statement
"As with all other decisions I have made in these matters this decision has largely been informed by comprehensive legal advice," McDevitt said in a statement.
"I am conscious that ASADA does not have a direct right of appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) and the only appeal avenue open to ASADA at this time is to the AFL Anti-Doping Appeals Tribunal.
"I am also aware that appealing any of these decisions within the AFL framework would ultimately serve only to delay consideration of these matters by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).
"I have therefore arranged to provide the entire case file encompassing all 35 matters to WADA for its independent review.
"This is in accordance with global anti-doping protocols.
"WADA will then be able to make an independent decision as to whether to exercise its appeal options.
"ASADA will support any WADA initiated appeal in relation to these matters.
"In the interests of transparency, I would welcome the fullest possible release of the tribunal's findings and reasons on all of these matters."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-20/asada-will-not-appeal-anti-doping-tribunal-decision/6405652
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wankharder have proven what a useless corporation they are by wasting our money.
can we please go back to the darkest day in sport day again with those labor amateurs lined up all concerned in front of the nation, with what seems like no evidence at all.
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ASADA truth will never be known: Bomber Thompson
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-20/no-one-will-ever-know-full-asada-truth-says-bomber
'Yeah, we don't know what substances were used and it was unethical but trust us it was all legal' ::).
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U all pay money to the most corrupt entity in professional sport.
Idiots
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WorkSafe Victoria seize documents relating to Essendon’s supplements program in 2012
Michael Warner
Herald-Sun
April 28, 2015 9:00PM
DOCUMENTS relating to Essendon's "pharmacologically experimental" supplements program have been seized by WorkSafe Victoria investigators probing the Bombers activities in 2012.
Player consent forms, emails and other key papers were handed to the workplace authority by a player agent last week.
WorkSafe is also in possession of documents from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation into Essendon.
The Herald Sun can reveal at least one former Bomber player has spoken with a WorkSafe investigator as part of its probe into the club's ill-fated 2012 drugs regimen.
WorkSafe is seeking to formally interview the 34 past and present Essendon players cleared of doping by an AFL tribunal on March 31.
In a letter sent to the players by WorkSafe inspector Max Schiavon last month, the authority confirms it is investigating whether the Bombers' supplements program run by sports scientist Stephen Dank was conducted in breach of the law.
“As you may be aware, WorkSafe is investigating the Essendon Football Club's 2011 and 2012 'supplement program',” the letter says. “Unlike the AFL/ASADA investigation, the WorkSafe investigation focuses on whether Essendon may have breached its duties as an employer under the Occupational Health and Safety Act 2004.
“WorkSafe understands that as an Essendon player during that period of time you may have been required to participate in the program. I would therefore like to talk to you about the program with a view to getting a witness statement from you.
“The issues I want to talk to you about focus on Essendon's processes and procedures for administering the supplement program, as well as any concerns you may have had about the program, either now or at the time.”
Aside from player co-operation, attempts by WorkSafe to prosecute Essendon are focusing on the club's admissions to governance failings agreed in a penalties settlement with the AFL in August 2013.
The Bombers were fined $2 million, stripped of draft picks and booted from the finals.
WorkSafe will argue the club has already admitted to serious governance breaches.
The club, individual directors and key staff could be heavily fined under the Occupational Health and Safety Act.
The workplace authority is conducting a separate investigation into the AFL over Essendon's drugs program.
The complaint, made by a member of the public, asserts that league chiefs failed properly to respond to warnings that players were being exposed to health and safety risks.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/worksafe-victoria-seize-documents-relating-to-essendons-supplements-program-in-2012/story-fndv8gad-1227325454547
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Ideally, WADA and Worksafe will go BANG simultaneously, starting the black hole that will eventually led to efc being deregistered - and Tasmania FC introduced into the AFL. Starting a new and happier phase in the history of football in Australia.
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Herald Sun Website reporting as breaking news that WADA will appeal the Bombers Drug Case.
HUN calling it a "shock decision". Don't think it's a surprise at all
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/wada-to-lodge-appeal-against-afl-anti-doping-tribunal-decision-on-34-current-and-former-essendon-players/story-fni5f22o-1227351211580
And from the Age twitter
The Age @theage "After a thorough examination of the evidence...WADA has decided to lodge...[an] appeal," WADA director general David Howman.
6:48 AM - 12 May 2015
And from Bomber's Chairman
Herald Sun @theheraldsun · 8 minutes ago
Essendon chairman Paul Little on shock WADA decision:
"It's really taken us all by surprise" http://bit.ly/1G0C5GW
:rollin :rollin
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:clapping
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I'm pinning my hopes on the Workplace investigation.
:cheers
Reckless endangerment
Section 32 of the Act also provides for jail sentences for reckless endangerment. This is defined as where a person ‘recklessly engages in conduct that places or may place another person who is at a workplace in danger of serious injury’. Where this can be proven, the offence is punishable by up to the maximum fine listed above, and/or five years imprisonment for individuals.
http://workplaceohs.com.au/legislation/vic-legislation/vic-penalties
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I'm pinning my hopes on the Workplace investigation.
:cheers
Reckless endangerment
Section 32 of the Act also provides for jail sentences for reckless endangerment. This is defined as where a person ‘recklessly engages in conduct that places or may place another person who is at a workplace in danger of serious injury’. Where this can be proven, the offence is punishable by up to the maximum fine listed above, and/or five years imprisonment for individuals.
http://workplaceohs.com.au/legislation/vic-legislation/vic-penalties
Haven't they already admitted they don't know what was injected?
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They dont know what they injected, but it definitely wasnt an illegal substance........
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They dont know what they injected, but it definitely wasnt an illegal substance........
doublespeak
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While the appeal isn't an absolute surprise, essendon sound completely rattled. Before they had the luxury of keeping so much in house within the AFL. Now it is beyond all of them and all they can do is hold on for dear life. Eddie said on MMM that one of the WADA lawyers involved is the main one who went after Armstrong?
Hird is also mistaken on the difference between 'innocent' and 'not guilty.'
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They dont know what they injected, but it definitely wasnt an illegal substance........
There's two legal versions and an illegal version. We don't know what we took but it was definitely wasn't the illegal one.
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While the appeal isn't an absolute surprise, essendon sound completely rattled. Before they had the luxury of keeping so much in house within the AFL. Now it is beyond all of them and all they can do is hold on for dear life. Eddie said on MMM that one of the WADA lawyers involved is the main one who went after Armstrong?
Hird is also mistaken on the difference between 'innocent' and 'not guilty.'
Agree dwaino, media saying bombers were blindsided. Little was on SEN this morning and admitted that they had not gone through any "what if" scenarios because they didn't think WADA would appeal. What the....?
I mean how stupid was that? Then some equally delusional bomber supporter rang up and asked if the players are found guilty by WADA do the AFL have to enforce the penalties (suspensions)
Well yeah moron they do because the AFL is signatory to the WADA code..
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While the appeal isn't an absolute surprise, essendon sound completely rattled. Before they had the luxury of keeping so much in house within the AFL. Now it is beyond all of them and all they can do is hold on for dear life. Eddie said on MMM that one of the WADA lawyers involved is the main one who went after Armstrong?
Hird is also mistaken on the difference between 'innocent' and 'not guilty.'
;D
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They dont know what they injected, but it definitely wasnt an illegal substance........
There's two legal versions and an illegal version. We don't know what we took but it was definitely wasn't the illegal one.
beta is the drug cheating one
alpha is for aids patients
which was is it
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While the appeal isn't an absolute surprise, essendon sound completely rattled. Before they had the luxury of keeping so much in house within the AFL. Now it is beyond all of them and all they can do is hold on for dear life. Eddie said on MMM that one of the WADA lawyers involved is the main one who went after Armstrong?
Hird is also mistaken on the difference between 'innocent' and 'not guilty.'
Agree dwaino, media saying bombers were blindsided. Little was on SEN this morni and admitted that they had not gone through any "what if" scenarios because they didn't think WADA would appeal. What the....?
I mean how stupid was that? Then some equally delusional bomber supporter rang on and asked if the players are found guilty by WADA do the AFL have to enforce the penalties (suspensions)
Well yeah moron they do because the AFL is signatory to the WADA code..
;D
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/i-wont-give-evidence-to-wada-says-exbombers-biochemist-shane-charter-20150512-ggzlm9.html
lol
wtf
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Well if nothing else it will distract the pricks for another twelve months....after thinking it was finally all over not sure they'll be as "galvanised" and "brave" this time around.....
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While the appeal isn't an absolute surprise, essendon sound completely rattled. Before they had the luxury of keeping so much in house within the AFL. Now it is beyond all of them and all they can do is hold on for dear life. Eddie said on MMM that one of the WADA lawyers involved is the main one who went after Armstrong?
Hird is also mistaken on the difference between 'innocent' and 'not guilty.'
yep, Tird said more today on 360 then he's said throughout the whole saga.
They are shetting themselves and know they're stuffed
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The AFL tribunal set the bar too high when it came to comfortable satisfaction. Gerard Whateley said they would have found Lance Armstrong innocent with their interpretation.
I now think that the players are stuffed.
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CAS listed the 34 players on its website, which is a breach of the WADA code so they removed it very quickly ;D
AND BTW on this site, the list stays removed :thumbsup
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CAS listed the 34 players on its website, which is a breach of the WADA code so they removed it very quickly ;D
AND BTW on this site, the list stays removed :thumbsup
Nothing surprising in it anyway WP.......
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CAS listed the 34 players on its website, which is a breach of the WADA code so they removed it very quickly ;D
AND BTW on this site, the list stays removed :thumbsup
Nothing surprising in it anyway WP.......
I know
25 of them at the presser they did after the not guilty announcement gave it all away
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Then some equally delusional bomber supporter rang up and asked if the players are found guilty by WADA do the AFL have to enforce the penalties (suspensions)
Well yeah moron they do because the AFL is signatory to the WADA code..
I thought that was the case as well but I also read that the AFL doesn't have to follow the bans because they can say that they found them innocent. Not sure if that's true but interesting to hear it's been said a few times
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It's correct that the AFL don't have to enforce any sanctions by WADA but they would sacrifice a lot of integrity (whatever there is left) in doing so.
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It's correct that the AFL don't have to enforce any sanctions by WADA but they would sacrifice a lot of integrity (whatever there is left) in doing so.
I've always been of the understanding that because the AFL are a signatory to the WADA code they must follow the rules and as such any penalties imposed by WADA
But will stand corrected if that is not the case
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That's only as long as they are a signatory. I just meant literally speaking. I can't see the AFL removing itself and drawing up its own code. That just wouldn't be a good look, and image how bad it would look if this happened again and they dealt with it in house, again. There would be no path of appeal for the plaintiff then either.
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That's only as long as they are a signatory. I just meant literally speaking. I can't see the AFL removing itself and drawing up its own code. That just wouldn't be a good look, and image how bad it would look if this happened again and they dealt with it in house, again. There would be no path of appeal for the plaintiff then either.
That's only as long as they are a signatory. I just meant literally speaking. I can't see the AFL removing itself and drawing up its own code. That just wouldn't be a good look, and image how bad it would look if this happened again and they dealt with it in house, again. There would be no path of appeal for the plaintiff then either.
The AFL actually resisted signing with WADA until the very last moment and only the threat of a loss of any government funding forced its hand.
I'd say it was for this very reason, they don't want other agencies having the power to make game changing decisions.
The AFL tribunal set the bar too high when it came to comfortable satisfaction. Gerard Whateley said they would have found Lance Armstrong innocent with their interpretation.
I now think that the players are stuffed.
Lance Armstrong confessed and even before that they had witnesses who were confessing to being involved in the same doping program and naming Armstrong as a participant.
Think about this.
You go to a pub and order light beers so you can safely drive home. It turns out that the bartender you are trusting to serve your drinks likes to lace them with vodka, but he claims it is non-alcoholic vodka. The orders for it aren't clear either way.
You weren't breathalysed on the night and there is no evidence to say that you ever consumed any vodka at all.
If the cops came around 3 years later and suspended your licence for 2 years I reckon you would be dirty.
I have hated Essendon all my life but if these players are suspended it is a disgrace.
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That's only as long as they are a signatory. I just meant literally speaking. I can't see the AFL removing itself and drawing up its own code. That just wouldn't be a good look, and image how bad it would look if this happened again and they dealt with it in house, again. There would be no path of appeal for the plaintiff then either.
That's only as long as they are a signatory. I just meant literally speaking. I can't see the AFL removing itself and drawing up its own code. That just wouldn't be a good look, and image how bad it would look if this happened again and they dealt with it in house, again. There would be no path of appeal for the plaintiff then either.
The AFL actually resisted signing with WADA until the very last moment and only the threat of a loss of any government funding forced its hand.
I'd say it was for this very reason, they don't want other agencies having the power to make game changing decisions.
The AFL tribunal set the bar too high when it came to comfortable satisfaction. Gerard Whateley said they would have found Lance Armstrong innocent with their interpretation.
I now think that the players are stuffed.
Lance Armstrong confessed and even before that they had witnesses who were confessing to being involved in the same doping program and naming Armstrong as a participant.
Think about this.
You go to a pub and order light beers so you can safely drive home. It turns out that the bartender you are trusting to serve your drinks likes to lace them with vodka, but he claims it is non-alcoholic vodka. The orders for it aren't clear either way.
You weren't breathalysed on the night and there is no evidence to say that you ever consumed any vodka at all.
If the cops came around 3 years later and suspended your licence for 2 years I reckon you would be dirty.
I have hated Essendon all my life but if these players are suspended it is a disgrace.
Sorry but that is one of the poorest analogies I have ever seen about this saga.
The players went off site to receive many many injections which was very different than anything they had ever done before. They signed confidentiality agreements which is contrary to the AFL anti-doping code too.
Go and look up rule 7.4 of the code and tell me if they fulfilled any of that before you make any other comparisons.....
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Sorry but that is one of the poorest analogies I have ever seen about this saga.
The players went off site to receive many many injections which was very different than anything they had ever done before. They signed confidentiality agreements which is contrary to the AFL anti-doping code too.
Go and look up rule 7.4 of the code and tell me if they fulfilled any of that before you make any other comparisons.....
:thumbsup
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Essendon still going with the dog ate my homework excuse ::).
Mark Thompson backs existence of documentation from Essendon’s 2012 supplements program
Adam Baldwin
FOX SPORTS
May 14, 2015
MARK Thompson has joined Essendon coach James Hird in confirming the presence of a spreadsheet documenting the club’s controversial injection regimen.
Thompson revealed he had seen an A3 copy of an excel document detailing the injection of permitted substance Thymomodulin to players when he was an assistant coach in 2012.
Crucially, a lack of records has created mystery around what the players were injected with and remains a major reason why WADA this week elected to appeal the not-guilty verdict.
Such documentation would go some way to proving players were not administered prohibited substance Thymosin beta-4.
However, Thompson couldn’t confirm whether this document was provided to ASADA as part of the joint investigation.
“I don’t know where it was given, but I’ve seen it and I assume that they (ASADA) took all the paperwork,” Thompson told Fox Footy’s AFL360.
On Tuesday night current coach James Hird insisted the document was supplied to ASADA by then club chief Ian Robson.
Hird went on to suggest that it’s disappearance was the fault of the anti-doping body.
“It’s not Essendon who’s destroyed anything. It’s not an accusation — it’s a fact,” Hird said.
Earlier in the program co-host Gerard Whateley revealed a source, who he described as “having intimate knowledge of the investigation”, had cast doubt over the validity of the document.
“ ... The spreadsheet that is in the hands of investigators commenced in the middle of the year — the program had long been in operation by then — and it did not quantify injectables,” Whateley said.
“There was an internal email regarding Thymomodulin, which didn’t contain anything that could be regarded as a spreadsheet and that email, again, surfaced well into the year.”
“I offer that with no opinion, that’s the facts,” Whateley concluded.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/mark-thompson-backs-existence-of-documentation-from-essendons-2012-supplements-program/story-e6frf3e3-1227354036769?from=public_rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Yes there was a spreadsheet, Robson confirmed that on SEN yesterday, also confirmed it had been handed to ASADA
Chip Le Grand one of the better journos whose been covering this from the get go said on SEN yesterday that no one is disputing the existence of the spreadsheet and yes ASADA have it
But the quality of information on it was next to useless, hence why it the tribunal hearing the players lawyers didn't even bother trying to discredit it so pathetic is its contents. It was another example of the Bombers poor governance and record keeping
Even Whately on 360 last night mentioned the contentd or lack there of in said spreadsheet
Nice try at diverting attention Jimmy & Bomber but all you've done is highlight yet again how incompetent the EFC was during this whole disgusting mess
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That's only as long as they are a signatory. I just meant literally speaking. I can't see the AFL removing itself and drawing up its own code. That just wouldn't be a good look, and image how bad it would look if this happened again and they dealt with it in house, again. There would be no path of appeal for the plaintiff then either.
That's only as long as they are a signatory. I just meant literally speaking. I can't see the AFL removing itself and drawing up its own code. That just wouldn't be a good look, and image how bad it would look if this happened again and they dealt with it in house, again. There would be no path of appeal for the plaintiff then either.
The AFL actually resisted signing with WADA until the very last moment and only the threat of a loss of any government funding forced its hand.
I'd say it was for this very reason, they don't want other agencies having the power to make game changing decisions.
The AFL tribunal set the bar too high when it came to comfortable satisfaction. Gerard Whateley said they would have found Lance Armstrong innocent with their interpretation.
I now think that the players are stuffed.
Lance Armstrong confessed and even before that they had witnesses who were confessing to being involved in the same doping program and naming Armstrong as a participant.
Think about this.
You go to a pub and order light beers so you can safely drive home. It turns out that the bartender you are trusting to serve your drinks likes to lace them with vodka, but he claims it is non-alcoholic vodka. The orders for it aren't clear either way.
You weren't breathalysed on the night and there is no evidence to say that you ever consumed any vodka at all.
If the cops came around 3 years later and suspended your licence for 2 years I reckon you would be dirty.
I have hated Essendon all my life but if these players are suspended it is a disgrace.
I wouldn't be reaping the rewards 3 years later and making big bucks if it was vodka
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Sorry but that is one of the poorest analogies I have ever seen about this saga.
The players went off site to receive many many injections which was very different than anything they had ever done before. They signed confidentiality agreements which is contrary to the AFL anti-doping code too.
Go and look up rule 7.4 of the code and tell me if they fulfilled any of that before you make any other comparisons.....
I work with the code every day. All 7.4 shows is how derelict the medical officers were in their duty.
As I understand it the players signed agreements to receive the treatments, not confidentiality agreements.
Players go off-site for medical treatment all the time, for all sorts of reasons so nothing especially unusual there either.
I don't think the analogy is poor at all, the players are being charged with taking illegal substances based on the fact they were obtained by Dank. No positive tests, no witness, no confession. Being convicted of that isn't justice.
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Sorry but that is one of the poorest analogies I have ever seen about this saga.
The players went off site to receive many many injections which was very different than anything they had ever done before. They signed confidentiality agreements which is contrary to the AFL anti-doping code too.
Go and look up rule 7.4 of the code and tell me if they fulfilled any of that before you make any other comparisons.....
I work with the code every day. All 7.4 shows is how derelict the medical officers were in their duty.
As I understand it the players signed agreements to receive the treatments, not confidentiality agreements.
Players go off-site for medical treatment all the time, for all sorts of reasons so nothing especially unusual there either.
I don't think the analogy is poor at all, the players are being charged with taking illegal substances based on the fact they were obtained by Dank. No positive tests, no witness, no confession. Being convicted of that isn't justice.
If you work with the code then you would realise that rule 7.4 puts the responsibility fairly and squarely on the player:
Before the commencement of the AFL Competition in each year each Player must advise his Club Medical Officer in writing of all substances and medications he is taking or using or has taken or used since the last Match in which the Player participated in the previous year. The Player must promptly advise his Club Medical Officer in writing of all substances and medications he subsequently takes or uses during the AFL Competition in that year. Each Club Medical Officer must maintain and keep a written record in respect of each Player of all substances and medications so advised to him. Such records will be the property of the Club.
Didn't Bruce Reid write a letter saying that he had no idea for 3 whole months what was being injected into the players??????
The players broke the rules. There is no doubt about that. The only question is whether WADA can prove to a comfortable level of satisfaction that they took TB4.
Comfortable satisfaction would be:
• A strong supply chain - tick
• A signed consent form - tick
• Player testimonies that corroborate injecting frequencies with TB4 - tick
• No evidence of any other type of Thymosin getting to the club - tick
• A sports scientist convicted of many other WADA infringements - tick
• The club not keeping all records - tick
Sounds like a recipe for disaster for the players if you ask me.
Edit: You are also incorrect with the confidentiality agreements. Dank made them sign these to protect his IP. That has been well documented.
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Are you suggesting that clause suggests players advise the club in writing of the substances administered to them by the club?
The player responsibility clearly refers to things taken over the off-season/pre-season outside of the supervision of the club.
These guys were participating in a club run program. I'll guarantee you no player anywhere, ever, has advised the club in writing of anything that was administered via a club official. The onus is on the club to maintain those records. Which they failed to do.
Plenty of people should be whacked here but not the players.
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Are you suggesting that clause suggests players advise the club in writing of the substances administered to them by the club?
The player responsibility clearly refers to things taken over the off-season/pre-season outside of the supervision of the club.
These guys were participating in a club run program. I'll guarantee you no player anywhere, ever, has advised the club in writing of anything that was administered via a club official. The onus is on the club to maintain those records. Which they failed to do.
Plenty of people should be whacked here but not the players.
The club doctor did not know what was being given as per the letter so he still needed the players to inform him in writing of exactly what was given.
Dank was NOT an employee of the club. The club hired Applied Orthopaedic Science Pty Ltd of which Dank is a consultant. He was free to come and go as a result. The players still needed to document what was given to them by this consultant.
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Think we know now why TBR's so hot for Thompson to coach us.....
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Dank was absolutely an employee of Essendon.
He had an office at Windy Hill (I've seen it) and was employed as the club Sport Scientist.
To suggest players are negligent by not writing to inform one club official of what another club official administered them is ridiculous and naive in the mechanics of how elite sporting organisations actually operate.
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Are you rfctiger74 on Big Footy?
Suck shyte to the players, hope they all cop the maximum. Ignorance is no excuse. /discussion.
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Dank was absolutely an employee of Essendon.
He had an office at Windy Hill (I've seen it) and was employed as the club Sport Scientist.
To suggest players are negligent by not writing to inform one club official of what another club official administered them is ridiculous and naive in the mechanics of how elite sporting organisations actually operate.
That is simply not true. I know the media report it that way but it isn't true. They may have given him an office but he was not a direct employee. I know this for a fact. I know people that know him. He never lets himself be directly employed by anyone to protect himself. Unfortunately I know much more than most about this. I knew about specific banned peptides that Dank was giving the players a year before you did and have proof that I knew. One of my mates was one of the ASADA witnesses.
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You may find it is an error to presume what I know or don't know about all of this as well.
Dank was employed by Essendon. It isn't just the media that has reported it.
ASADA issued him with a show cause notice over Essendon, they couldn't do it at Cronulla because he operated with the model you describe there.
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I knew about specific banned peptides that Dank was giving the players a year before you did and have proof that I knew.
If even you know what banned substances they took how come ASADA don't?
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What a bunch of stuffen crooks
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I knew about specific banned peptides that Dank was giving the players a year before you did and have proof that I knew.
If even you know what banned substances they took how come ASADA don't?
Your assuming ASADA don't and that doesn't appear to be the case and has never appeared to the case. That is....
ASADA, the media, the AFL and of course via those agencies the public have a very clear view of what was given but the issue is and always been about proving it...
Chip Le Grand wrote a really good article yesterday about this and gave an example of the charges against Dank. He wrote of a Bombers employee (not a player) admitting to ASADA in their interview that they were given a banned substance by Dank while in his EFC office and they used it. But the vials in question were not recorded anywhere, the vials weren't labelled but the employee said they believed the vials contained the banned substance. Due to there being no physical records and only the word of the individual the Tribunal didn't find the charge against Dank of "supplying" a banned substance proven to comfortable satisfaction.
So I think it is reasonable to assume that there are people (likely lots of them) who do indeed know what was likely given but proving it whether it be under this "comfortable satisfaction" standard, beyond any doubt or under the balance of probabilities standard is near impossible based on the lack of records
***And before you ask, no I cannot post the article as I can't access it because you have to be a subscriber, I read the actual paper :snidegrin
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I knew about specific banned peptides that Dank was giving the players a year before you did and have proof that I knew.
If even you know what banned substances they took how come ASADA don't?
Your assuming ASADA don't and that doesn't appear to be the case and has never appeared to the case. That is....
ASADA, the media, the AFL and of course via those agencies the public have a very clear view of what was given but the issue is and always been about proving it...
Chip Le Grand wrote a realty good article yesterday about this and gave an example of the charges against Dank. He wrote of a Bombers employee (not a player) admitting to ASADA in their interview that they were given a banned substance by Dank while in his EFC office and they used it. But the vials in question were not recorded anywhere, the vials weren't labelled but the employee said they believed the vials contained the banned substance. Due to there being no physical records and only the word of the individual the Tribunal didn't find the charge against Dank of "supplying" a banned substance proven to comfortable satisfaction.
So I think it is reasonable to assume that there are people (likely lots of them) do indeed know what was likely given but proving it whether it be under this "comfortable satisfaction" standard, beyond any doubt or under the balance of probabilities standard is near impossible based on the lack of records
***And before you ask, no I cannot post the article as I can't access it because you have to be a subscriber, I read the actual paper :snidegrin
Nail.
Head.
:clapping
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I knew about specific banned peptides that Dank was giving the players a year before you did and have proof that I knew.
If even you know what banned substances they took how come ASADA don't?
So I think it is reasonable to assume that there are people (likely lots of them) who do indeed know what was likely given but proving it whether it be under this "comfortable satisfaction" standard, beyond any doubt or under the balance of probabilities standard is near impossible based on the lack of records
***And before you ask, no I cannot post the article as I can't access it because you have to be a subscriber, I read the actual paper :snidegrin
I think the key point there is the fact people know what was LIKELY given to them but can't prove it. YBB has said he knows specific banned drugs given and has proof that he knows. If someone irrelevant has solid enough proof that he knew what was taken then I'm sure ASADA would have plenty of proof of what they took, enough to hold up in court.
Point being that he can claim that he knows what they took and all the proof in the world but so far it hasn't been enough to stand up in court so I'm sure as hell not going to be paying any attention to it on the internet
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Chip Le Grand wrote a really good article yesterday about this and gave an example of the charges against Dank. He wrote of a Bombers employee (not a player) admitting to ASADA in their interview that they were given a banned substance by Dank while in his EFC office and they used it. But the vials in question were not recorded anywhere, the vials weren't labelled but the employee said they believed the vials contained the banned substance. Due to there being no physical records and only the word of the individual the Tribunal didn't find the charge against Dank of "supplying" a banned substance proven to comfortable satisfaction.
There might be another reason they didn't find the charge proven.
If the person wasn't a player then they don't fall under the ASADA code. Dank could pump any substance he liked into an official.
If the article said that it certainly wasn't good.
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Chip Le Grand wrote a really good article yesterday about this and gave an example of the charges against Dank. He wrote of a Bombers employee (not a player) admitting to ASADA in their interview that they were given a banned substance by Dank while in his EFC office and they used it. But the vials in question were not recorded anywhere, the vials weren't labelled but the employee said they believed the vials contained the banned substance. Due to there being no physical records and only the word of the individual the Tribunal didn't find the charge against Dank of "supplying" a banned substance proven to comfortable satisfaction.
There might be another reason they didn't find the charge proven.
If the person wasn't a player then they don't fall under the ASADA code. Dank could pump any substance he liked into an official.
If the article said that it certainly wasn't good.
I think you'll find that under the AFL code, any club official must adhere to the code (rule 3.1).
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Chip Le Grand wrote a really good article yesterday about this and gave an example of the charges against Dank. He wrote of a Bombers employee (not a player) admitting to ASADA in their interview that they were given a banned substance by Dank while in his EFC office and they used it. But the vials in question were not recorded anywhere, the vials weren't labelled but the employee said they believed the vials contained the banned substance. Due to there being no physical records and only the word of the individual the Tribunal didn't find the charge against Dank of "supplying" a banned substance proven to comfortable satisfaction.
There might be another reason they didn't find the charge proven.
If the person wasn't a player then they don't fall under the ASADA code. Dank could pump any substance he liked into an official.
If the article said that it certainly wasn't good.
No on the contrary, the article said that Dank was found not guilty of supplying but guilty of trafficking a banned substance. And that finding was based on the tribunal not being "comfortable satisfied" that he "supplied" because they could only take one person word on what was given without any other collaborating evidence eg documentary evidence
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You may find it is an error to presume what I know or don't know about all of this as well.
Dank was employed by Essendon. It isn't just the media that has reported it.
ASADA issued him with a show cause notice over Essendon, they couldn't do it at Cronulla because he operated with the model you describe there.
You might want to relook at what his relationship with Cronulla. He wasn't on their books at all there. He did not receive money from Cronulla (Not officially anyway). He was a paid consultant at Essendon via the company I mentioned earlier. As he was paid for his services, he qualified for a SCN. However, he was not an Employee by definition.
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Chip Le Grand wrote a really good article yesterday about this and gave an example of the charges against Dank. He wrote of a Bombers employee (not a player) admitting to ASADA in their interview that they were given a banned substance by Dank while in his EFC office and they used it. But the vials in question were not recorded anywhere, the vials weren't labelled but the employee said they believed the vials contained the banned substance. Due to there being no physical records and only the word of the individual the Tribunal didn't find the charge against Dank of "supplying" a banned substance proven to comfortable satisfaction.
There might be another reason they didn't find the charge proven.
If the person wasn't a player then they don't fall under the ASADA code. Dank could pump any substance he liked into an official.
If the article said that it certainly wasn't good.
I think you'll find that under the AFL code, any club official must adhere to the code (rule 3.1).
Not the ASADA code though.
You may find it is an error to presume what I know or don't know about all of this as well.
Dank was employed by Essendon. It isn't just the media that has reported it.
ASADA issued him with a show cause notice over Essendon, they couldn't do it at Cronulla because he operated with the model you describe there.
You might want to relook at what his relationship with Cronulla. He wasn't on their books at all there. He did not receive money from Cronulla (Not officially anyway). He was a paid consultant at Essendon via the company I mentioned earlier. As he was paid for his services, he qualified for a SCN. However, he was not an Employee by definition.
I am agreeing with you re Cronulla.
He was employed by Essendon as their Sports Scientist. He had an office with his name on the door and was mentioned in the annual report.
That has been widely reported and never disputed.
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Chip Le Grand wrote a really good article yesterday about this and gave an example of the charges against Dank. He wrote of a Bombers employee (not a player) admitting to ASADA in their interview that they were given a banned substance by Dank while in his EFC office and they used it. But the vials in question were not recorded anywhere, the vials weren't labelled but the employee said they believed the vials contained the banned substance. Due to there being no physical records and only the word of the individual the Tribunal didn't find the charge against Dank of "supplying" a banned substance proven to comfortable satisfaction.
There might be another reason they didn't find the charge proven.
If the person wasn't a player then they don't fall under the ASADA code. Dank could pump any substance he liked into an official.
If the article said that it certainly wasn't good.
I think you'll find that under the AFL code, any club official must adhere to the code (rule 3.1).
Not the ASADA code though.
You may find it is an error to presume what I know or don't know about all of this as well.
Dank was employed by Essendon. It isn't just the media that has reported it.
ASADA issued him with a show cause notice over Essendon, they couldn't do it at Cronulla because he operated with the model you describe there.
You might want to relook at what his relationship with Cronulla. He wasn't on their books at all there. He did not receive money from Cronulla (Not officially anyway). He was a paid consultant at Essendon via the company I mentioned earlier. As he was paid for his services, he qualified for a SCN. However, he was not an Employee by definition.
I am agreeing with you re Cronulla.
He was employed by Essendon as their Sports Scientist. He had an office with his name on the door and was mentioned in the annual report.
That has been widely reported and never disputed.
Find me any official Essendon statement that states he was an employee of the club. He was a paid consultant. That is all. He was given an office but he still ran his anti aging business and was free to do what he wanted. If you read the Essendon books you will see monies paid to Applied Orthopaedic Science Pty Ltd. That is the company he set up to work for as a consultant. Believe me. I'm not making this up.
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/stephen-dank-served-with-notice-from-asada-over-essendons-supplement-program-in-2012/story-fni3fbgz-1226854155797
That article refers to him being able to be charged by the AFL and ASADA as an Essendon employee but not with his Cronulla involvement as it was on a contractor basis.
The fact he was charged by the AFL tribunal also shows he was an Essendon employee, as otherwise they have no power to charge him, which is why the NRL never could.
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That's only as long as they are a signatory. I just meant literally speaking. I can't see the AFL removing itself and drawing up its own code. That just wouldn't be a good look, and image how bad it would look if this happened again and they dealt with it in house, again. There would be no path of appeal for the plaintiff then either.
That's only as long as they are a signatory. I just meant literally speaking. I can't see the AFL removing itself and drawing up its own code. That just wouldn't be a good look, and image how bad it would look if this happened again and they dealt with it in house, again. There would be no path of appeal for the plaintiff then either.
The AFL actually resisted signing with WADA until the very last moment and only the threat of a loss of any government funding forced its hand.
I'd say it was for this very reason, they don't want other agencies having the power to make game changing decisions.
The AFL tribunal set the bar too high when it came to comfortable satisfaction. Gerard Whateley said they would have found Lance Armstrong innocent with their interpretation.
I now think that the players are stuffed.
Lance Armstrong confessed and even before that they had witnesses who were confessing to being involved in the same doping program and naming Armstrong as a participant.
Think about this.
You go to a pub and order light beers so you can safely drive home. It turns out that the bartender you are trusting to serve your drinks likes to lace them with vodka, but he claims it is non-alcoholic vodka. The orders for it aren't clear either way.
You weren't breathalysed on the night and there is no evidence to say that you ever consumed any vodka at all.
If the cops came around 3 years later and suspended your licence for 2 years I reckon you would be dirty.
I have hated Essendon all my life but if these players are suspended it is a disgrace.
what a rubbish analogy :facepalm
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More information please.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wada-wants-essendon-case-heard-in-switzerland-20150519-gh5ath.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wada-wants-essendon-case-heard-in-switzerland-20150519-gh5ath.html)
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wada-wants-essendon-case-heard-in-switzerland-20150519-gh5ath.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wada-wants-essendon-case-heard-in-switzerland-20150519-gh5ath.html)
Appears the Bombers and AFL aren't very happy about WADA's request
Suck it up gents and BTW welcome to the big (international) stage :snidegrin
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theyre in serious trouble IMHO
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Yep suck it up Essendon
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By having it in Switzerland, they may be able to subpoena Charters and Alavi through the international arbitration act!
And I think they do not have the right to silence either.....
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The afl are more corrupt than Essendon
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The afl are more corrupt than Essendon
That is definitely correct. I have some information that would shock many of you on how corrupt the AFL is but due to legal reasons I will not elaborate any further. :thumbsdown
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Then PM your best mates then, mate buddy pal.
:snidegrin
And fwiw, I totally agree with you both.
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So guilty that Dimitriou quit and has been as quiet as he can be.
Burn that idiot at the post too
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The afl are more corrupt than Essendon
That is definitely correct. I have some information that would shock many of you on how corrupt the AFL is but due to legal reasons I will not elaborate any further. :thumbsdown
PMs for the regulars please :clapping
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So guilty that Dimitriou quit and has been as quiet as he can be.
Burn that idiot at the post too
Thrown in Hardwick for kindling
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The afl are more corrupt than Essendon
That is definitely correct. I have some information that would shock many of you on how corrupt the AFL is but due to legal reasons I will not elaborate any further. :thumbsdown
PMs for the regulars please :clapping
:yo
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:snidegrin
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Oh baby. ;D
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So what's the goss? Or blowing smoke out your bum?
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The afl are more corrupt than Essendon
That is definitely correct. I have some information that would shock many of you on how corrupt the AFL is but due to legal reasons I will not elaborate any further. :thumbsdown
I also have some information complete with pictures that would shock, however it is not AFL related and is probably not legal in some countries
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The afl are more corrupt than Essendon
That is definitely correct. I have some information that would shock many of you on how corrupt the AFL is but due to legal reasons I will not elaborate any further. :thumbsdown
I also have some information complete with pictures that would shock, however it is not AFL related and is probably not legal in some countries
PMs for the regulars please :clapping
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The afl are more corrupt than Essendon
That is definitely correct. I have some information that would shock many of you on how corrupt the AFL is but due to legal reasons I will not elaborate any further. :thumbsdown
I also have some information complete with pictures that would shock, however it is not AFL related and is probably not legal in some countries
PMs for the regulars please :clapping
:snidegrin :snidegrin :snidegrin
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So guilty that Dimitriou quit and has been as quiet as he can be.
Burn that idiot at the post too
funny that
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Essendon chairman Paul Little to coach James Hird: ‘I’ll cut you loose’
Chip Le Grand
Herald-Sun
June 21, 2015
Previously unseen text messages sent to Hird by Little on the eve of an AFL Commission meeting called to resolve the doping scandal reveal the intense pressure on Hird from his own club to do a deal.
The first of two messages from the billionaire businessman appeared on Hird’s phone in August 2013 when he was at the Toorak home of Gillon McLachlan, pleading his case to the future AFL chief.
“James AFL telling me you are trying to change the negotiated deal. I can’t help you any further James as Fitzpatrick has the s---s and the Total deal now has the wobbles up. I will have to cut you loose. I thought you & I had an agreement. I need to know this afternoon what your decision is. Paul.’’
The second message, an hour and a half later, is even more blunt.
“James AFL have said they will not do EFC deal unless we stand you down. Your decision not to take 12 months is going to impact the total club. This dispute is about to get very messy because you won’t take another 6 months ie a total of 12. If you really want to do what’s in the best interest of the club & its players take 12 months. Anything else will be selfish. Paul.’’
The full extent of the AFL and Essendon’s attempts to force a settlement are revealed in The Straight Dope, a book about the Essendon and Cronulla drug scandal, to be published this week.
They provide insight into Hird’s claims he only agreed to his year’s suspension from coaching under “great duress, threats and inducements’’.
Little’s frustration with Hird followed several days of secret negotiations that August between the Bombers president and AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick to end the drugs crisis.
Hird had earlier initiated Supreme Court action to prevent the AFL Commission from deciding his fate.
Under the settlement package, the Bombers would be dumped from the finals series and Hird stood down for a year on full pay. No action would be taken against the Essendon players and Hird would drop his Supreme Court case.
The negotiations were facilitated by Australian Sports Commission chairman John Wylie, a close friend of Fitzpatrick and Little’s most trusted business adviser.
Little’s text messages, sent on the afternoon of Sunday, August 25, were provoked by Hird’s refusal to accept the AFL’s offer during a long meeting at McLachlan’s house.
That night, Little followed up with a phone call to Hird at home. During that conversation, the Essendon president told his coach that if he refused to stand down, the AFL would have him sacked.
Little feared that if the AFL, club and coach could not agree to terms, the AFL would strip Essendon of all premiership points for the following season — a move that would cripple the club on and off the field.
In an expansive interview with the author, Little said he did not want to sack Hird. However, he made it clear to the coach that if he continued to wage war against the AFL, he would be on his own.
“Rather than sack him I just told him I couldn’t protect him anymore. You have got to do what is in the best interests of the club now,’’ Little said.
Two days later, Hird reluctantly agreed to the AFL’s terms. The charge against him was dropped and the coach entered his year of exile.
http://www.news.com.au/national/essendon-chairman-paul-little-to-coach-james-hird-ill-cut-you-loose/story-e6frfkp9-1227407695614
More to this story here: http://www.news.com.au/national/inside-the-bombers-drug-crisis/story-e6frfkp9-1227407678312
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how does the media get these text messages?
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how does the media get these text messages?
:facepalm you had to ask. You know what's coming (or who) now don't you?
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:lol
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Stephen Dank handed life ban by AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal
afl.com.au
June 26, 2015 2:31 PM
DISGRACED sports scientist Stephen Dank has been handed a lifetime ban by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal.
Under the terms of the World Anti-Doping Agency code, the decision means that Dank cannot work again in any sporting competition or event in Australia or throughout the world.
Dank, who was a key figure in Essendon's 2012 supplements program, was found guilty of 10 breaches of the AFL's anti-doping code in April this year.
These included "trafficking, attempting to traffic and complicity in matters related to a range of prohibited substances".
The substances included Hexarelin, Humanofort, CJC-1295, GHRP6 and SARSM.
He was cleared of 24 other alleged charges.
Dank did not appear at the Anti-Doping Tribunal hearing that determined the sanction, which concluded in Melbourne on June 9.
The AFL released a statement from Anti-Doping Tribunal chairman David Jones on Friday that said Dank had been handed a lifetime sanction that would commence on June 25 this year.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-26/stephen-dank-banned-for-life-from-working-in-afl
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who did he traffic these substances for if the players were not guilty of taking them????
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who did he traffic these substances for if the players were not guilty of taking them????
But Hirdy said nothing illegal happened :wallywink.
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who did he traffic these substances for if the players were not guilty of taking them????
we don't know
but we do know for sure that it wasn't the players
::)
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who did he traffic these substances for if the players were not guilty of taking them????
This was explained by Chip Le Grand on SEN earlier
Firstly He said Dank didn't come to Melbourne to work for Essendon but to get involved n the peptide insisted which is worth $16 million annually. Getting the job he did at Essendon gave him credibility within in the sports industry.csome peptides are legal under the asada/WADA code some are not
dank was employed by Essendon therefore deemed a support staff member of a register sporting club under the ASADA code.
Under the ASADA code no employee of a sporting club can supply banned substances to any other staff member of a sporting club. Do so and it's deemed trafficking.
If you remember the interim ASADA report used by the AFL to whack Essendon in 2013 it is recorded that certain staff at Essendon were given a number of substances (1 was hexerlain (sp?) which is banned under the code). By giving staff that drug for example he has been found guilty of trafficking.
Other thing Chip said was people need to be clear he hasn't been found guilty of administering anything directly to players he has been found guilty of Traffickng ; that is supplying substances
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who did he traffic these substances for if the players were not guilty of taking them????
we don't know
but we do know for sure that it wasn't the players
::)
And we don't know what was administered to the players, but it certainly wasn't banned stuff ;)
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who did he traffic these substances for if the players were not guilty of taking them????
This was explained by Chip Le Grand on SEN earlier
Firstly He said Dank didn't come to Melbourne to work for Essendon but to get involved n the peptide insisted which is worth $16 million annually. Getting the job he did at Essendon gave him credibility within in the sports industry.csome peptides are legal under the asada/WADA code some are not
dank was employed by Essendon therefore deemed a support staff member of a register sporting club under the ASADA code.
Under the ASADA code no employee of a sporting club can supply banned substances to any other staff member of a sporting club. Do so and it's deemed trafficking.
If you remember the interim ASADA report used by the AFL to whack Essendon in 2013 it is recorded that certain staff at Essendon were given a number of substances (1 was hexerlain (sp?) which is banned under the code). By giving staff that drug for example he has been found guilty of trafficking.
Other thing Chip said was people need to be clear he hasn't been found guilty of administering anything directly to players he has been found guilty of Traffickng ; that is supplying substances
And if people really think that this program was only about thymomodulin that is given to babies, they have rocks in their head.(http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/05/133120_61ec67d743f5817abb39a43d23dfc897.jpg)
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Sam Mitchell my new favourite non-Richmond player.....
(http://cdn.scahw.com.au/cdn-1d0b0a2b07591f0/ImageVaultFiles/id_353210/cf_7/sam_mitchell_jabbing_628.JPG)
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Sam Mitchell my new favourite non-Richmond player.....
(http://cdn.scahw.com.au/cdn-1d0b0a2b07591f0/ImageVaultFiles/id_353210/cf_7/sam_mitchell_jabbing_628.JPG)
:bow
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will be interesting to see what the AFL do about this
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Would be the most hilariously ironic charge of "bringing the game into disrepute" ever.....
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If James is so certain the players did nothing wrong, why did he think Mitchells action was so innapropriate?
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If James is so certain the players did nothing wrong, why did he think Mitchells action was so innapropriate?
Because James reckons they've been through a lot the past 3 years
Pity James can still not get his head a around the FACT he is the main reason they are in the position they find themselves in
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Is Hird contracted till the end of the year?
If so I think he may gone. Or he should be.
As long as he is at Essendon there will never be a conclusion once and for all on this saga.
We had the player wars with Collingwood in 1982-83 and it almost destroyed both clubs.
We only seem to be emerging now from that 30 year dark period in our history. Hope this current saga in Tullamarine does the same and even more to that Veruka Salt of a footy club.
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If James is so certain the players did nothing wrong, why did he think Mitchells action was so innapropriate?
Because James reckons they've been through a lot the past 3 years
Pity James can still not get his head a around the FACT he is the main reason they are in the position they find themselves in
I've never known of an instance in professional business or sport where the protagonist has been in such denial over his total guilt.
I want him to be banned for life from sport at any level and to be forever exposed by word of mouth for the cheating, lying, selfish, irresponsible lying son of a dog he is.
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Is Hird contracted till the end of the year?
If so I think he may gone. Or he should be.
As long as he is at Essendon there will never be a conclusion once and for all on this saga.
We had the player wars with Collingwood in 1982-83 and it almost destroyed both clubs.
We only seem to be emerging now from that 30 year dark period in our history. Hope this current saga in Tullamarine does the same and even more to that Veruka Salt of a footy club.
James is contracted til the end of 2016 and being paid a million bucks a year
So They can't afford to sack him so the bumbling bombers deserve the mess they have created for themselves
Reap what one has sown I think is the saying
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will be interesting to see what the AFL do about this
Give him his brownlow medal?
Is Hird contracted till the end of the year?
If so I think he may gone. Or he should be.
As long as he is at Essendon there will never be a conclusion once and for all on this saga.
We had the player wars with Collingwood in 1982-83 and it almost destroyed both clubs.
We only seem to be emerging now from that 30 year dark period in our history. Hope this current saga in Tullamarine does the same and even more to that Veruka Salt of a footy club.
Little have him a two contract extension - 2016 and the French holiday...
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If James is so certain the players did nothing wrong, why did he think Mitchells action was so innapropriate?
Because James reckons they've been through a lot the past 3 years
Pity James can still not get his head a around the FACT he is the main reason they are in the position they find themselves in
I've never known of an instance in professional business or sport where the protagonist has been in such denial over his total guilt.
I want him to be banned for life from sport at any level and to be forever exposed by word of mouth for the cheating, lying, selfish, irresponsible lying son of a dog he is.
Live strong
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I'm shocked at the criticism of Sam Mitchell... He's not the one who did the deed!
Race, gender, sexuality and age should always be off the cards. Anything else is free to be questioned and challenged.
I'm happy for Mitchell to sledge like this.
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Sam Mitchell should be given a medal for calling it like it is. The AFL is being very precious about the situation. I wonder why that could be? :huh
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Johno brown. Champ
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brian buckly. never made the grade
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The irony of Hird calling Brisbane players "f..... cheats" right through the 2001 GF over their saline drip use. Thanks Aker lol.
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did heard really call them cheats for saline drips?
what a knob gobbler.
It should be standard practice after playing in hot conditions, but as usual the AFL are all over the shop like a mad womans crap on these things.
It should also be standard practice after a night on the turps. that and then a shot of morphine makes a hangover disappear completely
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(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s499/Damien_Oborne/hird%20charles%201_zpsaklzzddp.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s499/Damien_Oborne/hird%20charles_zpsb72nxci5.jpg)
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Great find :cheers
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Nice find Damo.
Do you know if that quote was from an opinion piece by James? Was he writing for the HS at the time? If it is that would be a great read.
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(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s499/Damien_Oborne/hird%20charles%201_zpsaklzzddp.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s499/Damien_Oborne/hird%20charles_zpsb72nxci5.jpg)
Haha ...
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Nice!
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did heard really call them cheats for saline drips?
what a knob gobbler.
It should be standard practice after playing in hot conditions, but as usual the AFL are all over the shop like a mad womans crap on these things.
It should also be standard practice after a night on the turps. that and then a shot of morphine makes a hangover disappear completely
According to Akermanis, Hird was running around mouthing off to all the Lions' players about their saline drip use (which the AFL banned prior to the 2001 finals from memory). Going by this and Damo's find, Hird was big on 'do what I say but don't do as I do' ::).
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did heard really call them cheats for saline drips?
what a knob gobbler.
It should be standard practice after playing in hot conditions, but as usual the AFL are all over the shop like a mad womans crap on these things.
It should also be standard practice after a night on the turps. that and then a shot of morphine makes a hangover disappear completely
According to Akermanis, Hird was running around mouthing off to all the Lions' players about their saline drip use (which the AFL banned prior to the 2001 finals from memory). Going by this and Damo's find, Hird was big on 'do what I say but don't do as I do' ::).
Precious narcissist. The worst sort of narcissist.
Whatever suits his narrow agenda.
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did heard really call them cheats for saline drips?
what a knob gobbler.
It should be standard practice after playing in hot conditions, but as usual the AFL are all over the shop like a mad womans crap on these things.
It should also be standard practice after a night on the turps. that and then a shot of morphine makes a hangover disappear completely
According to Akermanis, Hird was running around mouthing off to all the Lions' players about their saline drip use (which the AFL banned prior to the 2001 finals from memory). Going by this and Damo's find, Hird was big on 'do what I say but don't do as I do' ::).
Precious narcissist. The worst sort of narcissist.
Whatever suits his narrow agenda.
Bingo! #Whateverittakes
Hird thinks he's the golden child who can do no wrong and anything that goes wrong is someone else's fault and he's always the victim :nopity. The EFC as a whole just adds to that cult belief by continually cowering to Hird's demands and threats. The tail certainly wags the dog at Windy Hill. Hird is so deluded about himself and devoid of any responsibility that he just doesn't want to accept that he has to go before the Bombers can move on. While that club chickens out and fails to sack Hird, it just sinks further into the mire. No amount of continually playing the victim and wallowing in self-pity from coach, chairman and now captain 'I don't enjoy my footy anymore' Jobe, can hide that reality.
The only good thing is the rest of us won't have to worry about the Bombers for the next decade at least :yep.
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did heard really call them cheats for saline drips?
what a knob gobbler.
It should be standard practice after playing in hot conditions, but as usual the AFL are all over the shop like a mad womans crap on these things.
It should also be standard practice after a night on the turps. that and then a shot of morphine makes a hangover disappear completely
According to Akermanis, Hird was running around mouthing off to all the Lions' players about their saline drip use (which the AFL banned prior to the 2001 finals from memory). Going by this and Damo's find, Hird was big on 'do what I say but don't do as I do' ::).
The bummer wore black arm bands on the gf ...
In reference to the lons drips ...
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in one of the early pressers Hird said that as head coach he takes full responsibility.
He didnt dance to that tune too long.
wish i could find the presser.
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in one of the early pressers Hird said that as head coach he takes full responsibility.
He didnt dance to that tune too long.
wish i could find the presser.
Since then, he said he was forced to say that by the club.
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:lol
it just gets better
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in one of the early pressers Hird said that as head coach he takes full responsibility.
He didnt dance to that tune too long.
wish i could find the presser.
Since then, he said he was forced to say that by the club.
So in summary, Hird makes 100% of the decisions and takes 0% of the accountability?
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no not at all. Hird only makes the decisions that make him look good, otherwise the club made him do it.... :whistle
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What a day WADA appealing
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Jobe Watson out for the rest of the season.
Jobe Watson out for rest of 2015 season with shoulder injury
Date July 7, 2015 - 4:41PM
Jon Pierik
Essendon captain Jobe Watson has been ruled out for the rest of the season because of a serious shoulder injury.
Watson will require surgery, having taken the injury into Sunday's clash against St Kilda and then aggravated it early on.
"It's disappointing any time, especially given the season isn't going the way we would have hoped," Watson told the club's website on Tuesday.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jobe-watson-out-for-rest-of-2015-season-with-shoulder-injury-20150707-gi71de.html
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/jobe-watsons-injury.1103336/#post-39493539
Agreed
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Whackty
It is true Hird should not be sacked now his team is struggling so badly. He should have gone last year and it should never have come to this. To coach an AFL team, to be put in charge of the welfare of 40 or so young men, is a privilege Hird lost any right to in 2012.
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Whack whack whack
Still, Little promised that Hird had learnt from his mistakes and would return a better man from his exile. When Tania Hird and other Hird camp members went rogue the chairman threatened them but failed to make them see contrition was mandatory.
My belief is Little was contrite over the club's welfare failings – or "governance" failings as he calls them – but still believes the shocking experimental program had been exaggerated.
The president cost the club again when he joined forces with Hird in his failed legal challenge against the Australian Sports Anti‑Doping Authority, which was thrown out of court. As Hird hung out his dirty linen legally over those dark days, he failed to land a punch, only further slinging mud upon the competition. Both he and Little were laughed out of court. Again we say: if Essendon had nothing to hide, then why waste time trying to avoid a trial?
Hird was almost sacked again at the end of last season, when he went against the wishes of club and players and lawyered up again.
He was saved again for all the wrong reasons. Because of Little's botched legal manoeuvring, to sack the coach would have cost Essendon a threatened millions of dollars. Plus, the members threatened a revolt, plus Little became concerned about the reliability of Hird's obvious successor Thompson.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/why-paul-littles-reign-of-error-at-crisis-club-essendon-must-end-20150707-gi76kt.html
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Instead Little and Campbell loaded up their threadbare coaching panel with big names, but not necessarily big reputations. Essendon lurched from one public relations exercise to the next, but no amount of spin could hide the disenchantment of Paddy Ryder – disenchantment that now seems to have spread among other players who want out from the damaged football club but thanks to the WADA appeal now fear themselves damaged goods.
:clapping
From:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/why-paul-littles-reign-of-error-at-crisis-club-essendon-must-end-20150707-gi76kt.html
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James Hird labels some AFL officials ‘ordinary individuals’ after their handling of Essendon supplements saga
Herald-Sun
July 12, 2015 3:23PM
ESSENDON coach James Hird has slammed some AFL officials, declaring he has no time for some of the industry’s “ordinary individuals”.
Speaking about the controversial supplements program that has engulfed the AFL, Hird said the AFL should take some of the blame for the amount of time — two and a half years — it has dragged on.
“Of course I think the AFL should take some blame for where this is at,” Hird said on 3AW.
“The way it was handled early on and the way it’s been handled the whole way through — media leaks. I probably won’t say any more.”
A brutally honest Hird didn’t hold back when he was asked whether his opinion of the AFL and some of the people who worked within the industry had changed since Essendon self-reported in February 2013.
“There are certainly some people within the AFL industry that I have no time for — who I think are ordinary individuals and don’t speak the truth.
“They have agendas and drive really hard towards their own agendas.”
Read more at: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-labels-some-afl-officials-ordinary-individuals-after-their-handling-of-essendon-supplements-saga/story-fndv8gad-1227438948952
:facepalm :nopity :doh :rollin
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Think James is auditioning for a new role
Clearly attempting stand up comedy these days
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Agendas and not speaking the truth?
Is there a mental condition for projecting your own shortcomings on others and blaming them for it?
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Agendas and not speaking the truth?
Is there a mental condition for projecting your own shortcomings on others and blaming them for it?
Psychological projection
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Think James is auditioning for a new role
Clearly attempting stand up comedy these days
Looks like he's also branching out into physical comedy now.... pratfalls & slapstick...
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According to Barrett tonight, Dank is appealing his life ban :facepalm.
What this does is push the WADA hearing for the Essendon players into 2016. So another year of Hird and co. crying about this self-inflicted crap :sleep.
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:sleep :sleep read that in another article as well. It's just boring now
Also, Essendon are going to review Hird's position at the end of the year :lol. Nothing will eventuate from it but it's amazing to see such a pathetic club back one of there coaches in and give him and extension during the darkest times any club has faced and it explode in their face :lol
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According to Barrett tonight, Dank is appealing his life ban :facepalm.
What this does is push the WADA hearing for the Essendon players into 2016. So another year of Hird and co. crying about this self-inflicted crap :sleep.
:clapping
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Watson massive sook
Waaa waaaa
Give Trent the medal u cheat bastard
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Watson massive soon
Yep
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Sook
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James Hird. The gift that keeps on giving.....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-coach-james-hird-sues-insurance-company-for-refusing-to-pay-legal-bill-20150802-giq220.html#ixzz3hhqplC9c
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Even u jim-bob, do not have the lawyers for that u fool
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Just don't be racist and boo him
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So long as he's half pommy, I'll be booing the idiot
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James Hird. The gift that keeps on giving.....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-coach-james-hird-sues-insurance-company-for-refusing-to-pay-legal-bill-20150802-giq220.html#ixzz3hhqplC9c
:nopity
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James Hird. The gift that keeps on giving.....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-coach-james-hird-sues-insurance-company-for-refusing-to-pay-legal-bill-20150802-giq220.html#ixzz3hhqplC9c
:nopity
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And you changed Jab Watson to Job Watson in one of my posts.
:lol
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EFC
RIP
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wada-finds-abnormally-high-tb4-levels-in-essendon-players-20150805-gisibb.html
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8)
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When is this over with, once and for all?
Havent the players been through enough ;D
:snidegrin
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deregister
deregister
deregister
(hi wp ;) )
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When is this over with, once and for all?
Havent the players been through enough ;D
:snidegrin
No one booooo them !!! >:(
That's bullying!
The walfare of the drug cheats is paramount
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When is this over with, once and for all?
Havent the players been through enough ;D
:snidegrin
No one booooo them !!! >:(
That's bullying!
The walfare of the drug cheats is paramount
Also dont boo Hird. He'll sue you!
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Hird said outside his Toorak home this morning: “It sounds like there’s nothing there.
“I don’t think (it changes anything). The club’s pretty comfortable. Yes (I’m comfortable with it).”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/wada-reportedly-find-abnormal-levels-of-tb4-in-samples-from-two-essendon-players/story-fndv8gad-1227471708250
Well James, you haven't seen too many things coming before they have happened this year. You didn't see the St Kilda flogging coming; you didn't see the Bulldogs flogging coming ..... :wallywink
WADA now smells a rat given this evidence. They won't let up even if it takes years. Just ask Lance Armstrong.
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My question is, why didn't ASADA get results like this? Perhaps a bit early to judge but sounds like they're seriously incompetent or hamstrung...
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My question is, why didn't ASADA get results like this? Perhaps a bit early to judge but sounds like they're seriously incompetent or hamstrung...
They're Australian and paid off by the afl
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My question is, why didn't ASADA get results like this? Perhaps a bit early to judge but sounds like they're seriously incompetent or hamstrung...
As mentioned by Richard Ings on twitter last night, these latest blood testing are only new so they weren't available previously
The advancement in testing for drugs, masking agents etc are changing almost daily. WADA has used the latest available to them...
That's why the various drug agencies around the world like ASADA keep all samples. The ability for future testing; just like as MT mentioned the Armstrong case
WADA might have found the smoking gun
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EssendonFC CEO says players 'frustrated' and disappointed by ongoing leaks through process.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/wada-reportedly-find-abnormal-levels-of-tb4-in-samples-from-two-essendon-players/story-fni5f6kv-1227471708250
:lol
Yeah because Essendon and Hird have never leaked info to the media :whistle .
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Essendon are going to do review of their whole footy department but according to their CEO, Hird is automatically safe even before the review starts. So much for a full review lol :facepalm.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-reviewing-football-program-20150806-gitib7.html
In other news, WADA's chief is coming to Australia.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/wada-boss-david-howman-coming-to-australia-20150806-gitahj.html
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Where does it say Hird is safe?
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Where does it say Hird is safe?
Barrett interviewed their CEO Xavier Campbell last night and Campbell said Hird is contracted so will be coaching Essendon in 2016. The review was going to be more about 'other' aspects of their football department such as recruiting, etc. So, in other words, it'll be the full review of everyone excluding senior coach golden boy who is one of, if not, the main guy in a footy dept. ::).
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Where does it say Hird is safe?
Barrett interviewed their CEO Xavier Campbell last night and Campbell said Hird is contracted so will be coaching Essendon in 2016. The review was going to be more about 'other' aspects of their football department such as recruiting, etc. So, in other words, it'll be the full review of everyone excluding senior coach golden boy who is one of, if not, the main guy in a footy dept. ::).
Throw in the same CEO said last Sunday on radio that he was 100% certainly Hird will be coach next year
Pretty much confirms he is safe
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Lmao. Afl is a stuffn joke.
Between commodified racism and drugs, they're a stuffn joke.
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Where does it say Hird is safe?
Barrett interviewed their CEO Xavier Campbell last night and Campbell said Hird is contracted so will be coaching Essendon in 2016. The review was going to be more about 'other' aspects of their football department such as recruiting, etc. So, in other words, it'll be the full review of everyone excluding senior coach golden boy who is one of, if not, the main guy in a footy dept. ::).
No need for the eye rolling. You posted an article and commented on it which give me the impression you got that information from that article and I was simply asking where it said it.
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Where does it say Hird is safe?
Barrett interviewed their CEO Xavier Campbell last night and Campbell said Hird is contracted so will be coaching Essendon in 2016. The review was going to be more about 'other' aspects of their football department such as recruiting, etc. So, in other words, it'll be the full review of everyone excluding senior coach golden boy who is one of, if not, the main guy in a footy dept. ::).
No need for the eye rolling. You posted an article and commented on it which give me the impression you got that information from that article and I was simply asking where it said it.
The eye rolling was directed at Essendon and their phoney review :thumbsup.
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Essendon’s AFL anti-doping tribunal hearing revealed in secret 1294-page transcript
Herald-Sun
August 10, 2015
THE full chaos surrounding Essendon’s injections scandal is laid bare in the top-secret AFL anti-doping tribunal hearings.
The Herald Sun today publishes the 1294-page transcript from 17 days of hearings, lifting the lid on footy’s greatest crisis.
Full transcript here: http://media.heraldsun.com.au/multimedia/2015/aug/project/index4.html
The documents reveal that:
PLAYERS suffered painful side-effects from sports scientist Stephen Dank’s program, including aching buttocks throughout the 2012 season.
GEELONG has been formally linked to Dank.
ASADA relied on a witness, “Person A”, whose identity remains hidden.
EVIDENCE from one star Bombers player was dismissed by ASADA lawyers as “unusual”.
ASADA questioned if players “turned a blind eye”, and were not duped.
TRIBUNAL chairman David Jones joked he could use “Dr Dank” to treat his infected leg.
ESSENDON coach James Hird barely rates a mention in proceedings.
The explosive hearings, held from November to March this year, were closed to the media and the public.
The AFL and Herald Sun fought for the case to be open but were denied.
But the extraordinary transcripts have now been obtained by the Herald Sun, raising fresh questions for the game, giving fans a true picture and exposing the challenge facing WADA in its attempt to prove the players’ guilt at appeal.
The Herald Sun has chosen not to identify players, despite them being pictured and named after being cleared.
Accounts of the regimen from 45 Bombers players, read to the tribunal by their legal team, highlight their pain, but also the confusion, during the program.
Not one player could recall the drug they were charged with taking — Thymosin Beta 4.
ASADA’s case was further damaged when its key scientific witness said players were more likely injected with the related but different TB500.
Players at the Bombers in 2012 told how they suffered hot flushes, numb backsides and intense pain during the Essendon injections regimen, and detailed pain, mess and confusion.
Players’ lawyer David Grace, QC, in his closing address to the tribunal, detailed every single player interview, concluding: “You can see how all over the place it was.’’
Supplements scheme architect Dank had told some he was injecting Thymosin, others AOD, others amino acids, some vitamins, melatonin and even “flu boosters’’, Mr Grace outlined.
But none of the players, whom the Herald Sun has chosen not to name, mentioned the banned Thymosin Beta 4.
Both the players’ lawyers and ASADA asserted the program was chaotic during the tribunal.
“HyperMED killed,” transcripts reveal one senior star as saying when quizzed about a visit to that South Yarra hyperbaric chamber for injections. “It was like concrete going into your arse.”
Another player remarked: “Received a hot flush after one of the injections, presumably the melatonin.’’
ASADA prosecutor Malcolm Holmes, QC, told the tribunal that aching bums were a common player ailment across the season.
“A lot of them came out with what they described as a corked buttock, and a lot of them couldn’t walk without pain as a result of those injections,” Mr Holmes declared on day 15 of the hearings.
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Player quotes from the transcript. Source: Supplied
One senior player told investigators the pain in his buttock was so severe he feared he would miss a game.
Mr Grace said of another: “Tore his hammy ... and blamed the injections, so he stopped going’’.
A further player, Mr Grace said, “was offered the injection at HyperMED but didn’t have it ‘because it left the boys’ arses sore’ ’’.
That player was never provided or offered AOD “except in a cream which he tossed out because he didn’t think it would fix his hamstring’’.
In a meeting of the leadership group on January 16, 2012, when the regimen was in its infancy, one senior player let rip, reportedly saying: “What the hell’s this new supplement program that we’re doing? What is it? This injection (expletive), I don’t like it. Where’s it coming from?”
“Dank’s office was disorganised. His office was a mess,” another club leader said.
“If Dank missed you and didn’t come and see you then you basically didn’t get one,” a teammate declared.
Most players admitted having no idea what drugs were being administered to them.
“When I got them you thought they were just vitamin injections to help you with recovery,” said one veteran player.
“He (Dank) would say, ‘Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, it helps recovery’,” another teammate said.
The most injections a player reported to ASADA as having was 23 — either in the stomach or the buttock.
“Dank would pull me into his office at times. If I was feeling a bit off I would go and ask for one in the context of talking about vitamins. He would pour from a brown bottle, measure it, pinch you and put it in,” one player said.
Dank did not explain what the substance was, added the player, who guessed he was receiving vitamin B.
“I wouldn’t know, it was an assumption.’’
A teammate said: “Danksy would say, ‘Come and get your vitamins. Gives your immune system a boost’.”
Another player told investigators about an unexpected bonus from the substances that were being injected into his stomach — a gleaming midwinter suntan.
One senior player was, however, flagged for his “unusual” and “inconsistent” evidence to the tribunal.
“We would submit that that evidence is not to be accepted ... it’s inconsistent with the surrounding circumstances leading up to the injections,’’ Mr Holmes said.
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Player quotes from the transcript. Source: Supplied
The potions were kept either in a steel cabinet or in a fridge inside Dank’s Windy Hill office, according to fitness boss Dean Robinson.
Early in the program, Dank had arranged for 46 seven-day pill boxes to be delivered to the club.
One said as the regimen wore on they all “lost faith”.
“It didn’t seem to be working,” he said. “The lack of reporting was a concern ... I think the players started to question it a little bit.”
A text exchange between Dank and one player went like this:
Player: Do I need to have a drip? Haven’t had one this week.
Dank: No, did I inject you this week?
Player: Two Thymos.
Dank: You are done.
Player: Sweet.
The secretive nature of the program was also laid bare, with even other parts of the Essendon Football Club being kept in the dark. It was said this was to protect the intellectual property of the regimen so their competitors wouldn’t rip it off and use it themselves.
One player recalled: “The second form was confidentiality so the three people who facilitated it and the playing group, the 2012 playing group, ... (are) the only ones to know”.
Another said a senior player told him to keep the whole thing under wraps. A third said it was effectively “hidden from view within the club’’.
An email from the club’s HR manager to then football manager Paul Hamilton makes this explicit.
“He has not taken part in full staff meetings and we had mutually agreed not to promote his position at the club to others,” Hamilton wrote of Dank in August 2012.
Mr Holmes told the tribunal six players had admitted to the possibility of receiving injections of Thymosin.
“You add to that three who believed they had been injected with the substance that they consented to ... you then add to that eight who believed they had been injected with amino acids,” Mr Holmes said.
When asked directly about Thymosin, one of Essendon’s star players said: “That name certainly rings a bell.”
Text messages to Dank obtained from two players specifically refer to receiving injections of Thymosin.
But none, when pushed on whether it was Thymosin Beta 4, recalled that substance.
Eleven of the 45 players interviewed by ASADA were not charged, despite some admitting to injections.
The case will be recontested late in the year by WADA at the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
TELL A LIE TO GET THE SYRINGES
ESSENDON’S high-performance coach, Dean Robinson, told an AFL player to lie about why he needed syringes.
While a coach at the Gold Coast Suns, “The Weapon” suggested a player at the club should tell a hospital pharmacy that he needed to buy syringes for his girlfriend — rather than admit that they were for him to inject the banned drug CJC-1295.
“Understanding that stigma can be attached to the use of and obtaining syringes, I told (unnamed player) he may want to say that he was getting them for his girlfriend who had an endocrine disorder, as I had done this when getting the syringes for my wife for her medical needs,” Robinson told ASADA.
Transcripts of the AFL anti-doping hearing reveal Robinson told investigators he had offered CJC-1295 to the player, Campbell Brown and Josh Fraser, describing it to them as an “injectable whey protein”. Brown and Fraser declined.
Robinson claimed sports scientist Stephen Dank had told him the drug was not banned and would help the player with an achilles injury.
Robinson said he had been taking the drug himself, and so had demonstrated to the player how to self-administer.
He described how he gave the drug to the player in a cooler bag packed with dry ice when he came to see him at his home, where Dank had been staying at the time.
Robinson claimed both he and Dank had spoken to the player about the drug, saying he had been told the drug would cost him $800 and last six months if he injected 0.2ml twice a week.
ASADA’s lawyer Malcolm Holmes, QC, told the tribunal that Robinson’s claim that he had discussed the legality of this in person with the club doctor could not be true because the doctor had been working at a local hospital on the day Robinson said the discussion occurred.
It is not clear whether ASADA will take any action over Robinson’s claims.
http://www.news.com.au/national/essendons-afl-anti-doping-tribunal-hearing-revealed-in-secret-1294-page-transcript/story-e6frfkp9-1227476564564
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If I remember correctly ASADA mentioned way back it was Essendon's remarkable recovery after the short break following the 2012 ANZAC that earned their suspicion. Just noticed that game quoted in the article.
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Isn't it wonderful, watching them not recover like they used to ......as they plummet on
The ladder.....and some still believe James. Hahahahahaha
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Nick Maxwell :clapping
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lol do you have some sanitised form of tourettes that causes you to blurt out random non vulgar words and phrases?
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Nick Maxwell :clapping
What about him?
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Snip
refer next post
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Bent's you know the rules
You've been told many, many times :banghead
But you continue to refuse to abide by the rules regading a need to supply a link for articles sourced from other web-sites :banghead :banghead
So no warning this time
There is no appropriate link to where the report came from, so it's been removed
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Essendon’s AFL anti-doping tribunal hearing revealed in secret 1294-page transcript
Herald-Sun
August 10, 2015
THE full chaos surrounding Essendon’s injections scandal is laid bare in the top-secret AFL anti-doping tribunal hearings.
The Herald Sun today publishes the 1294-page transcript from 17 days of hearings, lifting the lid on footy’s greatest crisis.
Full transcript here: http://media.heraldsun.com.au/multimedia/2015/aug/project/index4.html
The documents reveal that:
PLAYERS suffered painful side-effects from sports scientist Stephen Dank’s program, including aching buttocks throughout the 2012 season.
GEELONG has been formally linked to Dank.
ASADA relied on a witness, “Person A”, whose identity remains hidden.
EVIDENCE from one star Bombers player was dismissed by ASADA lawyers as “unusual”.
ASADA questioned if players “turned a blind eye”, and were not duped.
TRIBUNAL chairman David Jones joked he could use “Dr Dank” to treat his infected leg.
ESSENDON coach James Hird barely rates a mention in proceedings.
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Player quotes from the transcript. Source: Supplied
http://www.news.com.au/national/essendons-afl-anti-doping-tribunal-hearing-revealed-in-secret-1294-page-transcript/story-e6frfkp9-1227476564564
Just reading the transcripts, the players can only have got off thanks to Essendon being an inept and incompetent joke. What a farce of a club. Dank is/was absolute nutjob. Talk about letting the lunatic run the asylum. From my perspective, Doc Reid has got off incredibly lightly. Surely, it's the doc's responsibility to check off any medical procedures recommended by the 'sports scientist' and make sure records are kept of what substances were injected, the dosage levels and how many times they were administered. As for Jimmy "whatever it takes" Hird :facepalm - If you see yourself as a personnel's superior to tell them what to do/don't then it's also your responsibility to make sure all the checks and balances are in place and that there's regular progress reports. You don't wait until the proverbial has hit the fan and then turn around and say 'I didn't understand what all these chemical/medical names mean, so I'm not responsible' :doh :wallywink.
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Only at the Windy Hill cult, does a coach keep his job despite another 100+ point loss. Then again, if this is how Essendon performs under Hird then I hope he keeps the job forever ;D. How's that footy dept. review going? :snidegrin.
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Just reading the transcripts, the players can only have got off thanks to Essendon being an inept and incompetent joke. What a farce of a club. Dank is/was absolute nutjob. Talk about letting the lunatic run the asylum. From my perspective, Doc Reid has got off incredibly lightly. Surely, it's the doc's responsibility to check off any medical procedures recommended by the 'sports scientist' and make sure records are kept of what substances were injected, the dosage levels and how many times they were administered. As for Jimmy "whatever it takes" Hird :facepalm - If you see yourself as a personnel's superior to tell them what to do/don't then it's also your responsibility to make sure all the checks and balances are in place and that there's regular progress reports. You don't wait until the proverbial has hit the fan and then turn around and say 'I didn't understand what all these chemical/medical names mean, so I'm not responsible' :doh :wallywink.
I am half way through reading the Chip Le Grand book on this saga "The Straight Dope"
And I have to say from what I've read so far I am even more :gobdrop , staggered or whatever you want to call it than I was before
There are people involved in this who have got off very, very lightly indeed and I am not taking about Hird. There were some really stupid and I mean stupid people working at bomber land. So many just went to this kook Dank and took whatever he gave them
They are IMHO bankrupt morally not so much for what they did during the supplement program but what they DIDN'T do. And the Doctor is the most glaring one. Just suggest people read chapter 3 4 and you'll get what I mean
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Just suggest people read chapter 3 and you'll get what I mean
Transcript ::)
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Just suggest people read chapter 3 and you'll get what I mean
Transcript ::)
Are you turning into bojo now? :lol
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Just reading the transcripts, the players can only have got off thanks to Essendon being an inept and incompetent joke. What a farce of a club. Dank is/was an absolute nutjob. Talk about letting the lunatic run the asylum. From my perspective, Doc Reid has got off incredibly lightly. Surely, it's the doc's responsibility to check off any medical procedures recommended by the 'sports scientist' and make sure records are kept of what substances were injected, the dosage levels and how many times they were administered. As for Jimmy "whatever it takes" Hird :facepalm - If you see yourself as a personnel's superior to tell them what to do/don't then it's also your responsibility to make sure all the checks and balances are in place and that there's regular progress reports. You don't wait until the proverbial has hit the fan and then turn around and say 'I didn't understand what all these chemical/medical names mean, so I'm not responsible' :doh :wallywink.
I am half way through reading the Chip Le Grand book on this saga "The Straight Dope"
And I have to say from what I've read so far I am even more :gobdrop , staggered or whatever you want to call it than I was before
There are people involved in this who have got off very, very lightly indeed and I am not taking about Hird. There were some really stupid and I mean stupid people working at bomber land. So many just went to this kook Dank and took whatever he gave them
They are IMHO bankrupt morally not so much for what they did during the supplement program but what they DIDN'T do. And the Doctor is the most glaring one. Just suggest people read chapter 3 and you'll get what I mean
Spot on WP. Astonishing that the Doc got off so lightly when you read what actually went on. Omission is still negligence.
The bold bit, by the way, applies as much to the players themselves.
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I have been very critical of the Doc's actions (or non actions) too. However, everybody must remember that we do not know if he is being remunerated for the job he has being doing for many years now. Many club doctors volunteer their time at the club. So whilst it sounds terrible if he is being paid to do this job, it doesn't sound as bad if he has been doing this voluntarily all these years.
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Maxwell said he wants to cut a deal with wada so it all goe awAy
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I just want to say thankyou to James "the golden-boy" Hird for his loyalty, faithfulness, devotion, allegiance, reliability, obedience, trustworthiness, steadfastness & commitment to the AFL competition for ruining the once mighty club that Kevin Sheedy built.
We supporters couldn't have wished for a better scenario than this. He is doing a stellar job week in week out as he continues to make them a non competitive rabble they are now.
Let's all celebrate his achievements so far and bask in the glory of the legacy he will leave not just on his club but this competition as a whole. :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
I hope the club & their supporters don't come to their senses and sack him. He deserves a contract extension so he can continue his great work.
#STANDBYHIRD
#WHATEVERITTAKES
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#mybumfeelslike concrete
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I have been very critical of the Doc's actions (or non actions) too. However, everybody must remember that we do not know if he is being remunerated for the job he has being doing for many years now. Many club doctors volunteer their time at the club. So whilst it sounds terrible if he is being paid to do this job, it doesn't sound as bad if he has been doing this voluntarily all these years.
Doc, going by chapter 3 in the book, although only part time he is certainly being paid. Essendon have 2 doctors on staff
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I have been very critical of the Doc's actions (or non actions) too. However, everybody must remember that we do not know if he is being remunerated for the job he has being doing for many years now. Many club doctors volunteer their time at the club. So whilst it sounds terrible if he is being paid to do this job, it doesn't sound as bad if he has been doing this voluntarily all these years.
Doc, going by chapter 3 in the book, although only part time he is certainly being paid. Essendon have 2 doctors on staff
Thanks WP. It is terrible then! :thumbsup
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I have been very critical of the Doc's actions (or non actions) too. However, everybody must remember that we do not know if he is being remunerated for the job he has being doing for many years now. Many club doctors volunteer their time at the club. So whilst it sounds terrible if he is being paid to do this job, it doesn't sound as bad if he has been doing this voluntarily all these years.
Don't think it makes a difference in my opinion. There is a code of conduct that all doctors should follow and turning a blind eye is not a part of it
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I have been very critical of the Doc's actions (or non actions) too. However, everybody must remember that we do not know if he is being remunerated for the job he has being doing for many years now. Many club doctors volunteer their time at the club. So whilst it sounds terrible if he is being paid to do this job, it doesn't sound as bad if he has been doing this voluntarily all these years.
Don't think it makes a difference in my opinion. There is a code of conduct that all doctors should follow and turning a blind eye is not a part of it
It's not a code of conduct we are talking about here though. If you volunteer to help out at anything you don't feel you are responsible for things that are either a little detached from your job description or that you've been told you are not part of. The sports science department was set up at Essendon separate to the medical department. When doc asked to know what the players were given he was ignored for 3 months. As a volunteer you would feel that you can't intrude any further. However we have established that he is a paid employee of the club and thus has a responsibility in following up things that are not in his department but still impinge on his job description.
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With Hird gone, interesting to see what the players do now. With their cult leader gone, will they finally cave to WADA just to end it all?
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With Hird gone, interesting to see what the players do now. With their cult leader gone, will they finally cave to WADA just to end it all?
Thought this as well, but that may depend on Little. At the start of the presser, the way Hird was talking was Little was going to resign too but he has since stated he is staying on until the end of the case. Whether that means he continues to fight it or he wraps it up I don't know.
Also interesting to note that Hird said he will tell all (yeah right...) when it no longer affects the club or the players. I interpret that as once all the players have moved on and the club has nothing to lose, only then will he admit he cheated.
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I have been very critical of the Doc's actions (or non actions) too. However, everybody must remember that we do not know if he is being remunerated for the job he has being doing for many years now. Many club doctors volunteer their time at the club. So whilst it sounds terrible if he is being paid to do this job, it doesn't sound as bad if he has been doing this voluntarily all these years.
Don't think it makes a difference in my opinion. There is a code of conduct that all doctors should follow and turning a blind eye is not a part of it
It's not a code of conduct we are talking about here though. If you volunteer to help out at anything you don't feel you are responsible for things that are either a little detached from your job description or that you've been told you are not part of. The sports science department was set up at Essendon separate to the medical department. When doc asked to know what the players were given he was ignored for 3 months. As a volunteer you would feel that you can't intrude any further. However we have established that he is a paid employee of the club and thus has a responsibility in following up things that are not in his department but still impinge on his job description.
Even if he was a volunteer he has been the main doctor for how many years now? Oh well agree to disagree in the end we both have the same opinion now
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Also interesting to note that Hird said he will tell all (yeah right...) when it no longer affects the club or the players. I interpret that as once all the players have moved on and the club has nothing to lose, only then will he admit he cheated.
Dudes full of it. He'll re-hash the same "we are innocent but we don't know what we actually took" all over again. IF he was to come out with some substantial information you couldn't take him serious because why would he not bring it up before everything turned to poo? Could've ended it all by now if he actually had something
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Through all of this and even know I can't believe we are stuck with blobbo and his daily defence of his partner the turd.
Can't believe this bloke replaced Mike. Even as early as yesterday he was trying to deflect by calling out blues for tanking
His a disgrace this bloke for a journo
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A COURT of Arbitration for Sport hearing for the Essendon supplements scandal will begin on November 15 in Sydney.
CAS says the case, involving 34 current and former Essendon players, is expected to last between five and seven days.
The hearing shapes as the longest conducted by CAS in recent years.
A verdict would typically follow weeks later.
The World Anti-Doping Agency has appealed an AFL ruling not to sanction players accused of using a banned peptide in 2012.
Players were allegedly injected with the banned substance, Thymosin Beta-4, at the suggestion of a sports scientist.
The AFL banned Essendon from the 2013 playoffs during the initial investigation.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/essendon-to-face-supplement-scandal-appeal-hearing-on-november-15/story-fni0fit3-1227498864049
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:clapping
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perfectly timed. the verdict will probably come after the pre season draft
who would trade for a player with this uncertainty hanging over them?
It screws Essendon because they wont be able to manage their list proprly.
it screws the players, because if they want to move clubs others clubs will be less willing to take the risk. those whose contract expires may find the pre season draft as their only option, with their immidiate futures still undecided.
and it screws the AFL completely because it will become a debacle that could see the bombers unable to field a team and not able to go to the draft to help fill the void,
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Bring back dimitriou the shifty wog idiot.
Make him pay
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Bring back dimitriou the shifty wog idiot.
Make him pay
How many people did vlad inject with horse juice.
... Zero
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How many did he cover up for?
...many more than zero.
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Really recommend people read Chip Le Grand's "The Straight Dope". His book about this entire sordid saga.
Hasn't change my view only reinforced to me that a lot of people from all sides got off very lightly indeed
Staggered, horrified by what went on....
Good read, very balanced.
But just wrong so many people got off so lightly.
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How many did he cover up for?
...many more than zero.
And he knew it was was going on - the whole time.
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i think you give that dumb idiot too much credit
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Really recommend people read Chip Le Grand's "The Straight Dope". His book about this entire sordid saga.
Hasn't change my view only reinforced to me that a lot of people from all sides got off very lightly indeed
Staggered, horrified by what went on....
Good read, very balanced.
But just wrong so many people got off so lightly.
And there is so much more to it that cannot be printed or posted……..unfortunately. >:(
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Bolt smashed gatlin too 8)
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Car0: whack whack whackty whack
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ESSENDON has been charged with failing to provide a safe workplace.
The Bombers will be forced to the Melbourne Magistrate’s Court and face a $305,000 fine.
WorkSafe announced today that it has charged the club with two breaches of the Occupational Health and Safety Act in relation to its 2011-2012 supplements program.
Full article: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/essendon-charged-for-failing-to-provide-safe-workplace-during-2012-supplements-saga/news-story/8f6401e0d8be75a5456c3ee6023272d6
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The Essendon Supplement Saga
The gift that just can't stop giving :lol
:santa
:xmassign
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Apparently they had sore buttocks and couldn't walk normally after the treatment.
A few posters here would know what Im talking about. :yep
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:thumbsup
I'm pinning my hopes on the Workplace investigation.
:cheers
Reckless endangerment
Section 32 of the Act also provides for jail sentences for reckless endangerment. This is defined as where a person ‘recklessly engages in conduct that places or may place another person who is at a workplace in danger of serious injury’. Where this can be proven, the offence is punishable by up to the maximum fine listed above, and/or five years imprisonment for individuals.
http://workplaceohs.com.au/legislation/vic-legislation/vic-penalties
Haven't they already admitted they don't know what was injected?
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sterben
sterben
sterben
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THE World Anti-Doping Agency's appeal hearing against the Essendon 34 is over.
AFL.com.au understands the five-day hearing wrapped up at seven o'clock on Friday night.
The three member Court of Arbitration for Sport panel has now retired to consider its judgement.
It's not clear if there will be a ruling will be made by Christmas or early in the new year.
WADA appealed the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal's 'not guilty' findings over allegations 34 past and present Bombers players used banned substance Thymosin beta-4 during the 2012 AFL season.
The hearing, which began on Monday, was held in Sydney this week.
On Friday, Fairfax Media reported Bombers captain Jobe Watson and a group of other players had provided evidence to the hearing.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-21/wada-appeal-complete-verdict-still-may-wait-until-2016
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CAS concern over why Bombers omitted to mention Thymosin injections.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essendon-bombers/cas-concern-over-why-bombers-omitted-to-mention-thymosin-injections-20151204-glfnbm.html
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James Hird facing crippling legal bill
JAMES Hird is facing a $1.74 million legal bill over his drugs war against the AFL, and he’s gambling $300,000 on a last-ditch court bid to force the club’s insurance firm to pay it.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/james-hird-left-with-174-million-legal-bill-after-drugs-war-against-afl/news-story/e7b85ebe1690e24cd4fdc707a394f5b8
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Tragic
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'It's about the facts': Hird speaks out
AFL.com.au
20 December 2015
OUSTED Essendon coach James Hird wants 2016 to be a year of facts.
In a rare media appearance following his departure from the Bombers, Hird joined a panel discussion on the year's highs and lows in sport on Sunday morning.
His appearance comes as a final Court of Arbitration for Sport decision looms on WADA's appeal against the Essendon 34's not guilty findings.
"I think it's about the facts. Instead of PR and manipulation, it's about the facts in everything," Hird told ABC NewsRadio of his hopes for the new year.
"If we just try and brush it under the carpet and look on the field again, then we'll always be hiding something, so put everything on the table and confront it and let's move on."
Hird said the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal's initial decision to clear the 34 past and present Bombers players charged with taking banned substance thymosin beta-4 was a pleasing point of the year.
"That was probably the most positive thing to come out of this whole saga for us – that initially our players were cleared," he said.
The three-member CAS panel has given no indication of when it will hand down its findings, but there has been speculation it could be before Christmas.
Hird departed Essendon in August, having coached the team to just five wins from 19 matches.
Newly elected Essendon president Lindsay Tanner said last week he would like to welcome Hird back to the club at any time.
As part of the wide-ranging discussion Hird raised concerns about the direction of sports administration around the world.
"With that centralisation has come power and greed and when the wrong sort of people have power, they turn the sport a certain way," he said.
"I think a lot of what's happened with FIFA and around global sport, and even here in Australia, is that the centralisation of the commercial positioning, in particular, has meant that more power has gone to these governing bodies."
"There are very good sporting bodies across the world, but certainly there are examples here in this country where the centralisation of everything has meant that it's very hard for anyone to speak out against the governing body."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-20/its-about-the-facts-hird-speaks-out
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-hits-out-at-power-and-greed-in-among-sporting-governing-bodies/news-story/dc6cdd6bdca15511fcba75a480944c1c
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Here's some facts for ya, James ::) :snidegrin.
Essendon players were told to stay quiet about supplements program
Padraic Murphy
Herald Sun
22 December 2015
ESSENDON players who complained about the disastrous supplements program were told by club hierarchy to keep it secret.
Essendon today formally pleaded guilty at the Melbourne Magistrates' Court to two charges of breaching occupational health and safety laws that flowed from its supplements program.
Players from the club's leadership group complained about the program in January 2012, concerned about the substances they were being injected through a program run by Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson.
In response the club drafted guidelines that included medical staff oversight and consent forms for players — but told them to keep it a secret. The guidelines were ignored and players continued to be injected with supplements without the approval of club medical staff.
Ross Ray QC today told the Melbourne Magistrates Court players were instructed to keep the program a secret by club leaders including James Hird "to maintain Essendon's competitive advantage".
"Essendon players were exposed to risk. The nature of the risk is difficult to define," Mr Ray said.
The club is facing fines of up to $610,000 in fines, but no directors will be prosecuted.
WorkSafe Victoria charged the Bombers with two breaches of the Occupational Health and Safety Act after a lengthy investigation into the club’s “pharmacologically experimental” supplements program.
Details of the charges released by the Melbourne Magistrates Court show Essendon administered substances without properly informing the club doctor or receiving proper consent from its players.
"Essendon players were exposed to risks to their health and safety by your failure," prosecution documents say.
The documents say the club failed to provide its doctor with the substances scientific and common name, clinical findings about side effects or documents guaranteeing they did not breach World Anti-Doping Authority guidelines.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/essendon-players-were-told-to-stay-quiet-about-supplements-program/news-story/4e48edd11e6a2fd17d311655a5ee140c
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Fine Essendon $610K over safety breaches, court told
AFL.com.au
22 December 2015
WORKSAFE Victoria has asked a magistrate to fine Essendon more than $610,000 for risking its players' health and failing to provide a safe workplace during the ill-fated 2012 supplements program.
The club will be sentenced on January 28 after formally admitting to two charges of breaching the Occupational Health and Safety Act.
The court was told that two key figures at the club ignored clear protocols and sidestepped medical staff in their bid to give the team a competitive edge.
Representatives for the Bombers on Tuesday admitted in the Melbourne Magistrates' Court that players were not provided with a safe work environment despite policies and protocols put in place to protect them.
WorkSafe said Essendon, at the end of 2011 and in 2012, gave players supplements without taking necessary steps to reduce potential health risks.
After the club finished eighth in 2011 fitness boss Dean Robinson came on board to implement the new program, bringing sports scientist Stephen Dank with him.
They began a supplements program, injecting players with vitamins, amino acids and peptides, the court has been told.
Senior players and club doctor Bruce Reid raised concerns over this in January 2012, so Robinson wrote a policy giving Dr Reid the power to approve or deny the use of any substances administered to players.
Under the policy, Robinson and Dank were to provide Dr Reid with the scientific and common name of substances, clinical findings about side effects or documents guaranteeing they did not breach ASADA or WADA guidelines.
They gave him "mountains of paperwork" but it contained only information on some of the substances.
Other substances were given off-site without Dr Reid's approval.
Prosecutor Ross Ray, QC, said poor record keeping meant it was almost impossible to know what each player was given, but it is believed they had some form of Thymosin and Tribulus Forte.
"Dank and Robinson administered these substances to players without approval from the medical team," Ray told the court.
Players were ordered not to talk about the program.
Barrister Gary Livermore, acting on behalf of Essendon, conceded Dank and Robinson didn't get approval from Dr Reid for at least two of the supplements.
Ray said the club should be fined $305,350 for each of the two charges they face - the maximum monetary penalty available to the magistrate.
Essendon is also awaiting the findings of a Court of Arbitration for Sport hearing into an appeal by WADA over the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal's verdict that 34 former and current players were not guilty of doping offences during the supplements program.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-22/fine-essendon-610k-over-safety-breaches-court-told
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I heard on SEN today Essenden have argued they should only pay 20k due to fines already payed to the AFL.
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Melbourne News - January decision on Essendon supplements saga
www.melbournenews.net › index.php › sid
56 secs ago - The 34 current and former Essendon players will have their position finally resolved in mid-January ... ... around the time when the verdict is announced by the CAS, which heard the WADA appeal in.
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Queries over sentencing discounts for Bombers
Jake Niall
The Age
December 24, 2015 - 9:08AM
The chairman of the three-man panel deliberating on the Essendon case questioned why players should be entitled to a discount for "no significant fault" – the mechanism that can cut a suspension in half – if found guilty.
During the November hearing, the British chairman of the Court of Arbitration for Sport panel hearing the World Anti-Doping Agency appeal, Michael Beloff QC, questioned lawyers on why Essendon players should receive a "no significant fault, no significant negligence" discount – which the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority was at one stage willing to offer the players if they took a deal.
Beloff's comments came during the arguments on sentencing, when the players' legal team and the AFL counsel made a concerted push to have the players receive both "no significant fault, no significant negligence" if found guilty and significant reductions in penalty for lengthy delays in the case that were beyond players' control.
The penalty for a guilty finding for this kind of doping offence is two years, but a "no significant fault" finding can reduce it to one year. Players have already served about 4 months of a provisional suspension over 2014-15, and they can receive major reductions for the delays in a case that has lasted nearly three years. There is a further discount of six months if they demonstrate co-operation with ASADA.
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Fairfax Media understands the comments of the CAS panel members suggested they were amenable to the idea that the players had been victims of delays that were outside of their control, including the Federal Court legal action taken by Essendon and then coach James Hird to have the investigation rendered unlawful.
Based on their legal advice prior to the hearing, Essendon had believed that with backdating provisions, including the provisional suspension served, the players were unlikely to miss games, even if they were found guilty.
But this seemingly presumed a "no significant fault" finding. The conduct of the hearing, and comments from the CAS panel, has some from the players' defence less confident about the outcome than they were before the AFL anti-doping tribunal that cleared all 34 players before the 2015 season.
Sentencing arguments are conducted separately from the issue of guilt and whether WADA's appeal is upheld. In other details from the five-day hearing:
■WADA made a concerted push on the evidence from a mass spectrometer reading of what it argues was thymosin beta-4 – the banned substance the players are accused of being administered – by calling a second expert from Canada, in addition to ASADA's expert witness David Handelsman, to give evidence on the "second batch" of alleged TB4. The mass spectrometer reads the molecular weight of a substance and while this was close to a match for TB4 (4971 compared with TB4's 4963, as measured by Bio21 at Melbourne University), it was only one of two batches of the substance ASADA and WADA claimed were compounded and given to Stephen Dank by chemist Nima Alavi. The CAS has to be "comfortably satisfied" TB4 was administered to specific players.
■WADA's major new evidence – the "abnormally high" readings of TB4 found in re-tested frozen urine samples from two 2012 Essendon players – was viewed as being successfully negated by the defence, which produced evidence that players from other AFL clubs also had elevated readings of TB4, which naturally occurs in the human body.
■Beloff twice made comments questioning why the players should receive a "no significant fault" discount, and on one occasion his comment was made in response to WADA's American lawyer, Richard Young.
As Fairfax Media previously reported, Beloff and the panel indicated they were troubled by the players' difficulty in explaining why they omitted to mention they had been injected with substances including 'thymosin" (including a non-banned variant) when they were questioned by drug testers during the 2012 season.
Some of the seven current and ex-Bombers players summoned to the CAS hearing were questioned by the panel on this point.
Essendon, the players' association and the AFL have long argued the players were unwitting victims of Dank's injection regime.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essendon-bombers/afl-queries-over-sentencing-discounts-for-bombers-20151223-gludfv.html#ixzz3vBlwDXNF
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Like Varoufakis all over again
http://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2015/jul/06/yanis-varoufakis-resignation-statement-creditors-loathing-with-pride
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I heard on SEN today Essenden have argued they should only pay 20k due to fines already payed to the AFL.
Essendon and Hird are still deluded as ever. Hird wants "facts" yet he can't tell the players what they were injected with and went to court to try and stop the ASADA investigation. Essendon say they should only pay 20k due to fines already paid to the AFL, yet Worksafe isn't the AFL and this case is about allegedly breaching OHS laws; not AFL nor ASADA/WADA rules/laws which are separate issues.
This supplement saga is the gift that keeps on giving. Next episode is on Jan 11 when the CAS final judgement is revealed.
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Essendon will use top-up players if Court of Arbitration for Sport delivery guilty verdict
Lauren Wood
Herald Sun
January 8, 2016
ESSENDON will be granted approval to again use “top up” if Court of Arbitration for Sport deliver a guilty verdict against the Bombers 34.
The World Anti-Doping Agency is appealing the AFL Anti-Doping tribunal’s “not guilty” finding over allegations that 34 past and present Bombers used banned substance Thymosin beta-4 during the 2012 season.
The court could deliver its verdict any time from Monday after announcing last month that no decision would be made before January 11.
The Bombers and the AFL are prepared for any scenario and the club would again turn to state league “top up” players if 12 remaining Bombers from the 2012 list were forced to miss matches.
The AFL Commission gave special dispensation last February for the Bombers to pay 13 VFL top up players in the NAB Challenge outside the salary cap while provisionally suspended Essendon stood out of the pre-season competition.
Twelve Bombers, including skipper Jobe Watson and vice-captain Dyson Heppell, have endured another Christmas break with the supplements saga hanging over their head.
Five players at other clubs — Jake Carlisle, Jake Melksham, Paddy Ryder, Angus Monfries and Stewart Crameri — could also be affected by the verdict.
Bombers chief executive Xavier Campbell last month was adamant that players wouldn’t miss any football.
“The advice to us — and we understand the AFL has supported this in its written submission to the CAS — is that with the backdating that would apply (and) the provisional suspension that has already been incurred by the players, they wouldn’t receive a sanction,” Campbell said at the club’s member forum.
“We remain confident in the players’ position and will continue to support the players, both past and present, and their families during this time.”
A “no significant fault” finding could cut a two-year sanction in half, while the provisional bans served last pre-season would be counted towards any ban.
Further discounts could be applied for the continuing delays in the case that has dragged into a fourth year.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-will-use-topup-players-if-court-of-arbitration-for-sport-delivery-guilty-verdict/news-story/dd2680862cb223f2807624aa58f566e6#load-story-comments
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From Twitter - Tuesday is D Day
AFL Twitter
Tuesday has been confirmed by the Court of Arbitration for Sport as the day it hands down its Essendon verdict.
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#standbywada
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AFL player agent Peter Jess says the 34 Essendon players embroiled for almost three years in the supplements saga have suffered "immeasurable psychological impact", and civil action could be launched promptly.
Read more at: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-supplements-saga-civil-action-by-essendon-34-likely-says-player-agent-20160111-gm3amf.html
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From Twitter - Tuesday is D Day
AFL Twitter
Tuesday has been confirmed by the Court of Arbitration for Sport as the day it hands down its Essendon verdict.
8.30am is apparently when the final verdict will be announced.
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They'll get off
Ala OJ
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12 months ban guilty
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:birthday :santa :police:
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Unexpected this was.
:lol
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Court of Arbitration for Sport hands down ruling on WADA’s appeal into Essendon doping allegations
THIRTY four past and present Essendon players have been found guilty of doping and have been suspended for the entire 2016 season.
12 current Essendon players, including captain Jobe Watson, and five former players now at rival clubs have been found guilty of using banned substance Thymosin beta-4 during the 2012 season.
The stunning verdict by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) overturned the AFL anti-doping tribunal’s ruling which was later appealed by WADA.
It has been reported the CAS was comfortably satisfied there was enough evidence to suggest the players took the banned substance in 2012.
It has been reported Essendon players will still be able to appeal today’s verdict through the Swiss Federal Tribunal because the CAS is located in Lausanne, Swizerland.
Essendon chairman Lindsay Tanner confirmed the verdict in a short statement issued by the club.
“Regrettably we can confirm the Court of Arbitration for Sport has found 34 past and present players guilty of committing an anti-doping rule violation,” Tanner said.
“As a result, the players — including 12 currently listed with Essendon — have been suspended for the 2016 season. The club is currently digesting the decision and we will provide a further update later today.”
The 12 banned current Essendon players are reportedly Watson, Dyson Heppel, Michael Hurley, Cale Hooker, Brent Stanton, Michael Hibberd, David Myers, Tayte Pears, Ben Howlett, Tom Bellchambers, Heath Hocking and Travis Colyer.
Jake Carlisle (St Kilda), Jake Melksham (Melbourne), Paddy Ryder (Port Adelaide), Angus Monfries (Port Adelaide) and Stewart Crameri (Western Bulldogs) have been identified as the five players at rival clubs that were on Essendon’s playing roster for the 2012 season.
It has been reported Essendon has received permission from the AFL to recruit “top-up” players from outside the AFL to re-build its list and compete in 2016.
WADA initially appealed the ruling through the CAS in a hearing in Sydney in November.
It has been reported Essendon players and staff have come together at the club to hear the verdict — except for the 12 current players directly involved.
Those 12 players have also gathered together at a secret location in Melbourne, according to The Herald Sun.
The club is yet to release any official communication, but did post its support for the players on social media.
Dons coach John Worsfold last week described the morale within his team as a mix of anxiousness and relief.
“What we’ve talked a lot about is that they (the players) have no control so let’s focus on what we can control, but that doesn’t take away any anxiety that they may feel,” Worsfold said.
“We’ve got people around the club that have constantly kept the players informed and talked to them and will be on hand next week as well.”
The club also released a statement last week confirming it expects a verdict on Tuesday.
“Essendon Football Club can confirm the 34 players, past and present, have been advised that a decision from the Court of Arbitration for Sport will be handed down on the morning of Tuesday January 12,” the statement said.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/court-of-arbitration-for-sport-hands-down-ruling-on-wadas-appeal-into-essendon-doping-allegations/news-story/2c97065ed9edb5f912170232eb8ec86d
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Life
Oh life
Ihhhh liiiife
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karma is a bitch :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing
Hopefully now lawsuits from the players will expose details of the real truth
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Guilty - 12 month bans
No surprise from me, as soon as WADA appealed I thougt they were goneskis
Watch for the massive law suits fromt he players against their incompetant club & the AFL.
Hindsight is a great thing... in hindsight they should have taken the ASADA deals on offer. Would be playing in 2016
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Anyways from the HUN
Essendon drug scandal: CAS verdict on Bombers live coverage
UPDATE: THE Essendon 34 have been found guilty of doping.
Twelve current Bombers stars including skipper Jobe Watson, Dyson Heppell and Michael Hurley have been banned until November meaning they will miss the entire 2016 AFL season.
The stunning verdict means Watson’s 2012 Brownlow Medal could also be stripped.
Essendon chairman Lindsay Tanner said in a statement: “Regrettably we can confirm the Court of Arbitration for Sport has found 34 past and present players guilty of committing an anti-doping rule violation.
“As a result, the players — including 12 currently listed with Essendon — have been suspended for the 2016 season. The club is currently digesting the decision and we will provide a further update later today.”
“to its comfortable satisfaction” that clause 11.2 of the 2010 AFL Doping Code (use of a prohibited substance) had been violated and found by a majority that all players were “significantly at fault”.
“The 34 players concerned are sanctioned with a period of ineligibility of two years, commencing on 31 March 2015, with credit given for any individual period of ineligibility already served,” CAS said
“Thus, most of the suspensions will come to an end in November 2016.”
The AFL Commission will hold an emergency meeting via telephone hook-up to discuss the shock result and how it will affect the coming season. It will be up to the discretion of the Commission to decide whether Watson loses his Brownlow Medal.
Former Essendon star Matthew Lloyd said the news was a nightmare for all involved.
“That is the club’s and the AFL’s worst nightmare,” he told Channel 9.
He later told 3AW that he felt “sick to the stomach” about the decision.
“Watson, 30 years of age, gone for one year. Do we ever see him play again?” Lloyd said.
Ex-Geelong forward Cameron Mooney said his “heart breaks” for the players.
“What do you say here? My heart breaks for these boys,” he said on SEN.
“That is horrendous news ... I was not expecting 12 months. I thought maybe they were going to be found guilty. I thought a little bit less. I’m completely shocked.”
Five players now at other clubs — Western Bulldog Stuart Crameri, Port Adelaide pair Angus Monfries and Paddy Ryder, St Kilda’s Jake Carlisle and Melbourne’s Jake Melksham have also been suspended.
The Court of Arbitration for Sport this morning informed all parties it had upheld the World Anti-Doping Agency appeal in the long-running case.
It follows a not-guilty finding delivered by the AFL anti-doping tribunal last year.
The CAS panel ruled it was “comfortably satisfied” the 34 players had been injected with the banned peptide Thymosin beta-4 while playing for Essendon during the 2012 season.
The other current Essendon players to serve immediate suspensions are Cale Hooker, Brent Stanton, Michael Hibberd, David Myers, Tayte Pears, Ben Howlett, Tom Bellchambers, Heath Hocking and Travis Colyer.
Seventeen of the 34 have since retired or been delisted.
The man at the centre of the saga, former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank, said this morning: “This is corruption at its highest. These guys have done nothing wrong and there is no evidence as such”.
Essendon has already been granted approval to recruit “top-up” players from the VFL and other state leagues to help field a team this season.
Essendon begins its 2016 season against the Gold Coast at Metricon Stadium on March 26.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/essendon-drug-scandal-cas-verdict-on-bombers-live-coverage/news-story/f34f161721b0d0806273808da5dade18
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And BTW I look forward to hearing what James "it's not my fault" Hird has to say
It's taken 3+ years but right decision has been reached IMESHO
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:santa :cheers :clapping
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What a day
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And BTW I look forward to hearing what James "it's not my fault" Hird has to say
It's taken 3+ years but right decision has been reached IMESHO
"I'm just shocked to be sitting here"
Or perhaps...
"We can't wait for the truth to finally come out"
:lol
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:santa :cheers :clapping
Ohhhhhhhh yeeeeeeeeeeaaaah!!!!!
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :veryhappy :veryhappy :veryhappy :veryhappy :veryhappy :veryhappy
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And what he gave them (TB4) was only half the story....... :whistle
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Feel sorry for Knights, the real victim of this saga
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Meltdown!!!!!!!
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/wada-appeal-cas-deliberating-strictly-no-opposition-supporters.1029763/page-2440
"THIS IS ******* rubbish YOU CAN'T ******* DO THIS TO US THIS IS NOT ******* FAIR"
"This is so wrong. What a poo 24hrs"
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/wada-appeal-cas-deliberating-strictly-no-opposition-supporters.1029763/page-2450
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Meltdown!!!!!!!
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/wada-appeal-cas-deliberating-strictly-no-opposition-supporters.1029763/page-2440
"THIS IS ******* rubbish YOU CAN'T ******* DO THIS TO US THIS IS NOT ******* FAIR"
"This is so wrong. What a poo 24hrs"
Just :snidegrin
"Unbelievable! No back dating for obscene delays. No discounts for fully cooperating"
:lol
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Mark Robinson ✔@Robbo_heraldsun
James Hird: ''This is a miscarriage of justice.'' Story shortly on @superfooty and @theheraldsun
9:57 AM - 12 Jan 2016 · Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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Richard young never lost a case
8)
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Brutal. Surely the wooden spooners of 2016
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Conca > dyson
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Just on quick work smoko so not sure where to find the CAS findings but a bloke in this thread posted a bit and it says TB4 was found in urine samples in 2012? I had always assumed all the evidence was always circumstantial. From the little I have read it sounds like the players weren't the innocent little pawns after all and were instrumental in the withholding of information.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/wada-v-essendon-34-players-guilty-12-months-suspension-affects-17-current-players-details-in-op.1121067/page-59
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What a crock, ahmet saad takes a drink of a substance he can legally take any day but game day and gets banned for 1 year.
Essendo players take a substance which is a definate no no and get 1 year.
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I can listen to sen. Again
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They actually got two years.
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So none of the "34" played last year?
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Brutal. Surely the wooden spooners of 2016
We have them twice too. 8 premiership points in the bank.
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So none of the "34" played last year?
No the penalty is from 14 Nov 2014 through 13 Nov 2015
But all the players served "provisional suspensions" last pre-season (14/11/2014 to 31/3/2015 - remember none played the NAB Challenge) so that is deemed as part time served
BTW this gets merged with the long running Bombers thread....
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Just on quick work smoko so not sure where to find the CAS findings but a bloke in this thread posted a bit and it says TB4 was found in urine samples in 2012? I had always assumed all the evidence was always circumstantial. From the little I have read it sounds like the players weren't the innocent little pawns after all and were instrumental in the withholding of information.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/wada-v-essendon-34-players-guilty-12-months-suspension-affects-17-current-players-details-in-op.1121067/page-59
Yep that's correct, those samples were one of the main points of WADA's appeal
The Age lets you download the full 48 page judgement by the CAS
Have just had a quick read and it is absolutely damning of the players
Talk about "whackety, whack whack"
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Now we just need Jobby to hand over that Brownlow to its rightful owners ... err ... after you've had all those layers of filth cleaned off it, right Jobby ... :P
Congrats to Bachar for making the right call ... getting out of there was a masterstroke.
Too bad for the poor ole Saints - they recruit a big player & now he gets wiped out for the year, luckily we kept away from trading for Jake the Snake! Was it really luck? Same goes for Crameri at the Doggies & Port feasted out on Want-frees & Ryder ... too bad, so sad ...
:santa :santa :santa
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I applaud WADA, the alleged paper Lion.
Thanks for exposing these corrupt digs known as the afl.
LMAO at them conducting an investigation in conjunction with asada.
How belligerently stupid are these pricks.
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And here's Jimmy ...
"I am shocked by this decision," Hird said in a statement.
"I firmly believe the players do not deserve this finding.
"They do not deserve to face a twelve-month suspension from the sport. This is a miscarriage of justice for 34 young men.
"I will not be making any further comment today. I intend to make further comment later in the week."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-12/guilty-verdict-a-miscarriage-of-justice-says-former-bombers-coach-james-hird
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The AFLPA ain't happy either ....
Essendon players victims, not perpetrators: Marsh
By Paul Marsh
aflpa.com.au
Jan 12, 2016
The AFL Players’ Association is bitterly disappointed by today’s decision of the Court of Arbitration for Sport and shattered for each and every player involved.
We have maintained a consistent position that these players did nothing wrong, and today’s decision does nothing to change our view.
It is important to note that the players took all reasonable steps to assure themselves that what they were being given was compliant with the WADA Code. They expressly sought confirmation that all supplements they were to be provided were in compliance with the Code, and were provided with written documentation to this effect.
The players’ legal team will now conduct a thorough review of the decision, the process which has led to it, and the general applicability of the WADA regime to our game. As is stands, we are struggling to understand how the CAS decision can be so different to that of the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal, Chaired by David Jones and including John Nixon and Wayne Henwood, who so emphatically rejected ASADA’s case.
With respect to the sanction, we cannot comprehend how the players have received the maximum sanction under the Code.
We are staggered to read comments attributed to the ASADA CEO today, that “there were very little grounds for the players to claim they were at no significant fault.” This is despite his previous recommendation to WADA and the AFL that it would be appropriate to reduce the sanction on the basis of no significant fault or negligence.
Whilst we have seen no evidence throughout this process that proves the players were administered supplements which were not compliant with the Code, if this is the case then they have been deceived. They are the victims, not the perpetrators. They deserve our sympathy, not our scorn.
In circumstances where they’ve been deceived, I ask this question – what more could the players have done to ensure the supplements were compliant? We believe this is a case where the “no significant fault or negligence” provision should have been applied.
To the players – again the victims of this sorry saga – you can stand with your heads held high, notwithstanding today’s decision. Not only did you take all reasonable steps to assure yourselves that what you were being given was compliant with the WADA Code, but you cooperated fully with the AFL, ASADA, WADA and CAS at all times. You are deserving of a huge amount of credit for the way you’ve conducted yourselves at all times through this process. Sadly you have been horribly let down throughout this process.
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/essendon-players-victims-not-perpetrators-marsh/
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Conca > dyson
Heppel would still be playing this year if we'd drafted him... :shh
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Conca > dyson
Heppel would still be playing this year if we'd drafted him... :shh
:thumbsup
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Yep that's correct, those samples were one of the main points of WADA's appeal
The Age lets you download the full 48 page judgement by the CAS
Looking for it, can't seem to find it.
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Yep that's correct, those samples were one of the main points of WADA's appeal
The Age lets you download the full 48 page judgement by the CAS
Looking for it, can't seem to find it.
Found it :thumbsup
http://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Arbitral_Award_WADA_ESSENDON.pdf
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We have maintained a consistent position that these players did nothing wrong, and today’s decision does nothing to change our view.
It is important to note that the players took all reasonable steps to assure themselves that what they were being given was compliant with the WADA Code. They expressly sought confirmation that all supplements they were to be provided were in compliance with the Code, and were provided with written documentation to this effect.
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/essendon-players-victims-not-perpetrators-marsh/
And that is where the CAS was in total DISAGREEEMNT - in their findings they suggest that the players didn't take enough reasonable steps"
As I said their report is damning
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point 82 is the money section
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I applaud WADA, the alleged paper Lion.
Thanks for exposing these corrupt digs known as the afl.
LMAO at them conducting an investigation in conjunction with asada.
How belligerently stupid are these pricks.
Spot on Ox, highlights how bloody corrupt the AFL were in trying to get this swept under the carpet.
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point 82 is the money section
Yep
Dot point number 7 is the clincher for mine
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Here's the full 48 page judgement from CAS.
http://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Arbitral_Award_WADA_ESSENDON.pdf
Some of the Bomber players' evidence is hilarious just for their own stupidity :lol. Such as McVeigh claiming he was given some other non-prohibited substance instead (that had a tanning effect) yet he experienced no tanning :rollin. I thought it was only Vitamin injections wasn't it, Mark :stupid :rollin.
Effectively,
* CAS was satisfied that Dank had a history of using TB-4 peptides in athletic programs.
* CAS was satisfied that Dank was in possession of TB-4 vials at Essendon.
* Evidence (from a Dr Cox that was not available at the AFL hearing) was given showing the only possible Thymosin used in the injection regime was the banned TB-4. The legal 'alpha' version isn't used for recovery and soft-tissue repair (it's an immune booster).
* A guy called Mr. Del Vecchio (from a business called Australian Medical Solutions) had told Dank that the peptides he was giving the Essendon players were prohibited.
* Players were given blood tests prior to the regime - a process recommended for peptides such as TB-4 and for no other purpose than a "sinister one".
* The whole program was kept a secret and was only known to a "closed circle" (Dank, Hird, Robinson & the players) which wanted no outsiders to know about it including keeping the club doctor (Reid) out of the loop. Not only that but no records were kept to keep it a secret. Whereas the AFL hearing used this lack of record keeping as a means to say they could not be comfortably satisfied to hand out a guilty verdict; CAS saw this non-existent record-keeping and secrecy as an admission of those at Essendon of having something dodgy to hide.
* The players were aware they were to be injected with Thymosin and signed consent forms.
* The players were complicit due to their own behaviour and because they followed instructions to keep the program a secret, kept the club doctor out of the loop, and failed to record injections on doping control forms.
* Several Bomber players also had their credibility questioned when they stated Dank wasn't present at away matches until confronted with a text message stating he was :stupid.
* CAS saw Essendon's run of 8 wins from 9 games at the beginning of the 2012 season before soft-tissue injuries hit, while not being proof, as being consistent with the conclusion of substance taking.
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Lol @ mcveigh
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* A guy called Mr. Del Vecchio (from a business called Australian Medical Solutions) had told Dank that the peptides he was giving the Essendon players were prohibited.
Hey WP, do you remember the email I showed you at the B&F? That was the guy and he knew they were banned from me!! ;D
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When do the afl punish the efc for a doping scam?
The club was punished for governance not systematic cheating...
You surely can't give the drug cheating rats the no.1 pick
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When do the afl punish the efc for a doping scam?
The club was punished for governance not systematic cheating...
You surely can't give the drug cheating rats the no.1 pick
AFL have said today that there will be no further penalties against the EFC issued by the AFL
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Seeing as Essendon are now pretty much guaranteed the wooden spoon, should they really be allowed the draft picks that will come with it...won't that effectively be rewarding them for cheating?
BTW -wonder if Goddard still thinks they'll make a movie about them?
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Guaranteed to see a movie or mini-series now.
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Guaranteed to see a movie or mini-series now.
Yep
"Shame"
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AFL reveals contingency plan for weakened Bombers
Travis King
AFL.com.au
January 12, 2016
THE AFL has revealed its contingency plan to ensure Essendon can field a competitive team after the Court of Arbitration for Sport's "devastating decision" to suspend 12 current Bombers for the entire 2016 season.
McLachlan announced a range of measures which were considered by the AFL Commission last month in the event of player suspensions, which include:
- Essendon having the ability to upgrade its five rookie-listed players as replacements for suspended players, as though the suspended players had long-term injuries.
- The Bombers can add 10 'top-up' players to their list, not limited to previous AFL players only.
- Existing contract values for the listed players who have been suspended shall be included in the cap.
- Extra payments to supplementary players will be included in the club's salary cap but Essendon will receive an allowance for payments to supplementary players over the cap limit.
- Melbourne, Port Adelaide, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs will each be able to upgrade one rookie to their senior lists as a replacement player.
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McLachlan said the suspended players had been "horribly let down" by the former Essendon administration which oversaw the 2012 supplements regime.
"This is a devastating decision for the past and present players of the Essendon Football Club and the AFL feels deeply for them," McLachlan said.
"It is our view that they've been horribly let down by the administration of the time, but the club has sought to acknowledge what has happened and move on from these events.
"The welfare of the 34 affected players is paramount and we'll be working with the AFL Players' Association, the club and all players and their representatives to get them through this extraordinarily tough period."
AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick said Essendon's supplements scandal had been a "stain on our game" resulting in a "very harsh" punishment for the players.
"This has been a very dark period, but the last four years will not define the Essendon Football Club," Fitzpatrick said.
"It will not define Australian football.
"Essendon’s history is too important … and its future is owned by the members and supporters, and not by the last four years.
"The club has two very respected people in the new chairman, Lindsay Tanner, and new coach, John Worsfold, and the AFL is committed to doing what we can to assist the club in moving forward."
After AFL Players Association boss Paul Marsh called for the League to review its partnership with the World Anti-Doping Authority in the wake of the suspensions, Fitzpatrick said the process needed to be looked at.
"This Essendon process has taken too long, and CAS’ judgment today invites a discussion about the way the code applies to team sports in future," he said.
"We look forward to working with ASADA and WADA, and with government to keep sport clean and to protect the health and safety of players."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-12/afl-reveals-contingency-plan-for-weakened-bombers
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ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt hasn't missed unleashing on Essendon and the 34 players :yep.
Bombers' 'devastating self-inflicted injury': ASADA
Adam Curley
AFL.com.au
January 12, 2016
THE AUSTRALIAN Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) has slammed Essendon for its role in the supplements scandal that has ruined its 2016 season.
There's been widespread shock over the decision that has all but ruined the Bombers' 2016 season, but ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt unleashed on the crippled footy club.
"This unfortunate episode has chronicled the most devastating self-inflicted injury by a sporting club in Australian history," McDevitt said in a statement released after the decision was made public.
The players – 12 of whom remain at Essendon, with five more at other AFL clubs – have received plenty of support from those inside and outside the footy world, but just like their club, they received no sympathy from ASADA.
McDevitt said that the players had been given significant anti-doping education by the AFL and ASADA, and those involved in the supplements saga had no grounds to claim that they were not at fault.
"Unfortunately, despite their education, they (the players) agreed to be injected with a number of substances they had little knowledge of, made no enquiries about the substance and kept the injections from their team doctor and ASADA," McDevitt continued.
"Of 30 ASADA testing missions during the period in question, none of the 18 players tested declared the injections, despite being asked each time whether they had taken any supplements.
"At best, the players did not ask the questions, or the people, they should have.
"At worst, they were complicit in a culture of secrecy and concealment."
At a media conference later, McDevitt said, "You simply cannot shift that personal responsibility to any support person, or any other person. Full stop.
"I feel for them quite strongly on a couple of fronts. But they obviously never paid due regard to the enormous possible ramifications and consequences of those decisions that they made when they signed on to a program involving injections of those substances."
The World Anti-Doping Authority (WADA), which appealed the AFL anti-doping tribunal's decision to clear the players of any wrongdoing in March 2015, also backed the suspensions handed down by the CAS.
In a statement, WADA director General David Howman said that the decision was a win for the anti-doping community and clean athletes around the world.
"If the AFL Tribunal’s decision had prevailed, it would have set a damaging precedent for future non analytical anti-doping cases; and, therefore, been detrimental for anti-doping efforts worldwide," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-12/bombers-devastating-selfinflicted-injury-asada
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Maybe we should give them some priority picks as well next draft
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Why WADA Appealed to CAS
WADA Director General David Howman said the Essendon doping scandal represented a watershed moment for the anti-doping organisation about its pursuit of non-analytical cases.
The Court of Arbitration for Sport on Tuesday overturned the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal’s not guilty verdict and handed 34 past and present Bombers players a backdated two-year ban over the supplements saga that has engulfed the club since 2012.
Howman, speaking to foxsports.com.au from Quebec, said they had no option but to appeal because otherwise the precedent would have forced WADA into changing how it handled similar cases.
“If the Court of Arbitration for Sport said the (original) decision was right then we would be in a very difficult position to prove any non-analytical case — any case that depended on evidence being gathered by investigation,” he said.
“It just would’ve been impossible and we felt that wasn’t the spirit of the (WADA) Code. It wasn’t the way we wanted the Code to be construed and it certainly wasn’t the way it had been construed in the past.
“If we hadn’t appealed we would have accepted the change that wasn’t mandated upon us by our stakeholders.”
AFL Players’ Association chief Paul Marsh expressed surprise at how two tribunals looking at the same evidence could arrive at such wildly opposing verdicts. But Howman said WADA had felt the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal was incorrect in the way it looked at the standard of proof.
“We’ve had experience of many, many cases, including (disgraced sprinter) Tim Montgomery and the BALCO case where the standard of proof was different,” Howman said.
“It’s the standard of proof you’re looking at, not the evidence itself. It’s the way you construe the evidence and say how much is required to get to the situation where a breach of the rules has been made.
“Quite simply, and in a colloquial way, the Court of Arbitration for Sport said it was the ‘strand approach’ — in other words, you get each strand of evidence and line it up to see if it’s a strong enough rope. Rather than the ‘chain approach’, which was adopted by the other tribunal decision where if one chain is not there then whole thing falls over.
“And that’s quite a distinct difference in how you link evidence.”
Howman declined to comment on Essendon’s handling of the supplements saga, other than to say “there are a number of issues that might have been done better,” but revealed that he’d received some unflattering correspondence when asked if he had any sympathy for the players.
“I think the public have that expression (of sympathy),” Howman said. “I certainly have received some messages not of the complimentary style since the decision.
“I don’t think it’s for us to start looking at it from a sentiment view. We have to deal with cases on a daily basis involving athletes from all around the world. Some of whom make wrong decisions, some of whom are misguided, some of whom make major mistakes. And sometimes it’s all inadvertent.
“I think when you read the decision in this case you can form your own view about what the players felt and knew at the time under the program.”
Howman said the punishment meted out sent a very strong message to sporting organisations about the importance of vetting the people who look after the welfare of their athletes.
“Be very, very careful who you hired to administer any programs relating to the health of athletes,” he said. “It’s the entourage that has to be reviewed very specifically.
“It’s not just in AFL. If we look at examples in the cycling world you can see many examples of the entourage being responsible for determining programs that are wrong. You’ve got to be very careful in selecting those individuals.”
Sports scientist Stephen Dank, who was in charge of Essendon’s supplements program in 2011-12 and received a lifetime AFL ban, has said he plans to sue the AFL and ASADA to go along with the 24 legal actions he currently has pending against various media outlets.
Howman said WADA’s revised rules allow for offending entourage members to be punished. But in bad news for Bombers fans, he doesn’t think the CAS ruling represents the end of the matter.
“What we’ve been able to do in the last revision of our rules is to ensure the members of the entourage who might be responsible for leading to such decisions are also subject to the sanction process,” Howman said.
“I think the end of this matter has not yet been reached. I think the individual who introduced the program at the club is appealing some of the issues he was dealt with — and until that’s complete it’s not over.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-verdict-wada-chief-david-howman-explains-why-cas-appeal-was-necessary/news-story/3fc29afc3e4ffb661f909c389b432a08
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Same of the better days
- asada / afl give the drug cheats the all clear
- only for wada to appeal with an hour to go, after the drug cheats fanbois are already drunk on te bubbles
2. Watson admission on TV
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3. Weagles fans making jobe cry
4. Jobe cryin yesterday
5. Tim Watson talking crap about it's ok to give not aproved for human drugsto his flog son
6. Jobe peeing off to England for a pint
7. The afl 34 page charge sheet
8. The ziggy report
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JAMES HIRD (Feb. 5, 2013): I'm very disappointed, shocked, I think probably the best word. We believe that as the leader of the football department, as the coach takes full responsibility of what happens within our football department and I believe we've followed processes, we've put in place the right sort of processes. My understanding is that we worked within the framework that was given to us by the AFL and by WADA, and I'm shocked to be sitting here, really.
8)
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Stalin, IYO, did " the 34" knowingly take the substances?
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Stalin does not gaf
to the gulags
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Koch (sp) demanding port be compensated ...
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Radio national interviewing Richard Young aka never lost a case
"Te afl tribunal misunderstood the rules in regard doping"....
Lol that's one way of saying it
"You are responsible for what's in your system - if you are unsure you need to Cheak"
"The rules are designed to protect clean athletes "
"If you asked the clean athletes most would say it was a good decision even if lenient "
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Stalin, IYO, did " the 34" knowingly take the substances?
Should they be given the benefit of the doubt on this? Players know to the cent if they have or haven't been paid properly. If they didn't know what they were putting in their bodies, why didn't they check?
Are the players the victims? No the other clubs and the integrity of the game is the victim.
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Stalin, IYO, did " the 34" knowingly take the substances?
Should they be given the benefit of the doubt on this? Players know to the cent if they have or haven't been paid properly. If they didn't know what they were putting in their bodies, why didn't they check?
Are the players the victims? No the other clubs and the integrity of the game is the victim.
From what I read of the verdict I believe that is what was determined or at least heavily inferred, at the very least the players did not disclose they were being injected with something whilst being drug tested
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Koch (sp) demanding port be compensated ...
Koch said the Power had been “hoodwinked” by the Bombers when they traded Monfries at the end of the 2012 season — before the doping scandal broke in February 2013.
He said the club would look at its legal options and whether to pursue compensation from Essendon over the trade.
Port Adelaide gave up a third-round pick for Monfries, who was a restricted free agent at the time.
Koch said it was suggested that Monfries and Ryder take a deal that was offered to them, but that the former Essendon pair wanted to stick with their ex-teammates.
“We purely suggested (taking a deal) to their lawyers and the players and under pressure from their colleagues at Essendon, the players tuck with the playing group,” Koch said.
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Koch said the other clubs urged Essendon to plead guilty to ASADA and end the long-running saga but the Bombers chose to ignore their wishes.
“I don’t think I’d be speaking out of school to say that 17 other clubs wanted Essendon to do a deal and get on with it,” he said on Channel 7 last night.
“Put it behind them, accept their guilt for the good of the game and the good of all our reputations.
“Yes (they told Essendon this). Basically you had a club and a group of players who took a different view, and there was nothing the other clubs or the AFL could do about it.
“As we look at this issue in retrospect, I think that’s what we need to look at as an industry. If you have the want of — for want of a better description — a rogue club that goes against what the majority of the other clubs think is for the good of the game and the code, that there should be a mechanism that they come into line for the rest of the industry.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/port-adelaide/essendon-verdict-port-adelaide-president-david-koch-says-other-17-clubs-wanted-bombers-to-admit-guilt-and-do-a-deal/news-story/cf414da93b160b0523a9e2b71e928b90
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Jobe Watson has broken his silence and is still claiming they're all innocent and are looking at their legal options.
“The decision announced by the Court of Arbitration for Sport to uphold WADA’s appeal is devastating,” Jobe Watson said.
“We are struggling to come to terms with this decision, and feel it does not support the players’ firm belief that we are innocent.
“Our legal team is conducting a thorough review of the decision and will explore any avenues available to us.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jobe-watson-says-essendon-players-are-devastated-by-ban/news-story/b570fc4864885773efcdaf6d998f3007
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Jobe Watson has broken his silence and is still claiming they're all innocent and are looking at their legal options.
“The decision announced by the Court of Arbitration for Sport to uphold WADA’s appeal is devastating,” Jobe Watson said.
“We are struggling to come to terms with this decision, and feel it does not support the players’ firm belief that we are innocent.
“Our legal team is conducting a thorough review of the decision and will explore any avenues available to us.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jobe-watson-says-essendon-players-are-devastated-by-ban/news-story/b570fc4864885773efcdaf6d998f3007
Didn't get anything I wanted for my b'day this year, but man o man this is the gift that keeps on giving! :birthday
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Key word in that array of tripe is - B E L I E F.
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Jobe Watson has broken his silence and is still claiming they're all innocent and are looking at their legal options.
“The decision announced by the Court of Arbitration for Sport to uphold WADA’s appeal is devastating,” Jobe Watson said.
“We are struggling to come to terms with this decision, and feel it does not support the players’ firm belief that we are innocent.
“Our legal team is conducting a thorough review of the decision and will explore any avenues available to us.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jobe-watson-says-essendon-players-are-devastated-by-ban/news-story/b570fc4864885773efcdaf6d998f3007
How much higher do you want to go?
The Hague?
Intergalactic tribunal of drugs in sport?
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Jobe Watson has broken his silence and is still claiming they're all innocent and are looking at their legal options.
“The decision announced by the Court of Arbitration for Sport to uphold WADA’s appeal is devastating,” Jobe Watson said.
“We are struggling to come to terms with this decision, and feel it does not support the players’ firm belief that we are innocent.
“Our legal team is conducting a thorough review of the decision and will explore any avenues available to us.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jobe-watson-says-essendon-players-are-devastated-by-ban/news-story/b570fc4864885773efcdaf6d998f3007
How much higher do you want to go?
The Hague?
Intergalactic tribunal of drugs in sport?
Dons seek appeal loophole
Jake Niall
The Age
January 14, 2016
Bitterly disappointed by season-long suspensions, current and former Essendon players have their lawyers exploring avenues for legal action that might overturn the verdict.
While it is far from certain that a legal challenge will be mounted against a Court of Arbitration for Sport verdict, the legal teams that acted for the 34 players are seriously investigating those options given the disastrous result and what some feel were errors in the judgment.
The avenues that are being investigated include the Swiss Federal Court, the Supreme Courts of the Victoria and NSW and the Federal Court of Australia.
Cases from the CAS have an automatic right of appeal to the Swiss Federal Court on a point of law. There is a view from within the players' legal camp that the case erred in its judgment on a number of grounds, including the devasting finding that the players were significantly at fault and could not receive a discount.
Tony Hargraves, the solicitor who handled the 32 players (not Bulldog pair Stewart Crameri and Brent Prismall) is canvassing the legal avenues and has already identified areas in which he believes the CAS judgment was flawed.
The view of Hargraves and others in the players' defence was that the CAS set the bar for comfortable satisfaction too low.
This was in contrast to the AFL anti-doping tribunal, which WADA savaged for setting the standard of proof too high.
One point Hargraves has noted is that the players were treated by the CAS as a collective and the differences in circumstances and individual evidence were not taken into account in either the verdict or the sentence.
Another objection and even a point that could be challenged was that the CAS did not take into account the delay caused by Essendon's Federal Court action when setting out the sentences. As the players' lawyers pointed out, the players were not part of the action taken by Essendon and James Hird against ASADA in the Court.
The players' lawyers also noted that there was dissent among the three-man panel, with one judge not comfortably satisfied that some players – the number is not specified but has to be at least two – took thymosin beta-4, although the dissenting panellist was satisfied that players did take TB4.
Legal sources with a knowledge of the case speculated that the dissent would likely have been based on the timing of injections in 2012.
www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-cas-verdict-dons-seek-appeal-loophole-20160113-gm5c7q.html
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Switzerland. Lmao.
It's a long way from your crappy mates club, fellas.
Not only can't they be men and fess up, they have to waste everyone else's time and money again, just to prove that they THINK they're innocent.
What a pack of dumbass cowardly idiots
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Swiss fed court at st gallen issues up coming issues/
- Syrian refugees
- hiding Zionist money in Swiss banks
- some nobody backwater flogs refusing to accept reality
- coo coo clocks
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Essendon should be saving their money for all the claims that will be brought up against them by affected players and other clubs.
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Switzerland. Lmao.
It's a long way from your pooty mates club, fellas.
Not only can't they be men and fess up, they have to waste everyone else's time and money again, just to prove that they THINK they're innocent.
What a pack of dumbass cowardly idiots
Worlds 2nd fastest man:
hope I am able to run again, but I will take whatever punishment I get like a man
Essendon:
Waaaa waaaa waaaa mummy
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If and when players start to sue the Essendon football club, guess who the Dons are going to have to ask for money to help pay out on the punitive damages. The AFL. Which means effectively our consumer dollars of the AFL are going to pay for Essendon to pay out on the lives it ruined. Have fun going to sleep with that little possibility....
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If and when players start to sue the Essendon football club, guess who the Dons are going to have to ask for money to help pay out on the punitive damages. The AFL. Which means effectively our consumer dollars of the AFL are going to pay for Essendon to pay out on the lives it ruined. Have fun going to sleep with that little possibility....
They may ask but they probably wont recevied seeing the AFL are likely to be sued as well ;D
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If and when players start to sue the Essendon football club, guess who the Dons are going to have to ask for money to help pay out on the punitive damages. The AFL. Which means effectively our consumer dollars of the AFL are going to pay for Essendon to pay out on the lives it ruined. Have fun going to sleep with that little possibility....
They may ask but they probably wont recevied seeing the AFL are likely to be sued as well ;D
What liability would the AFL have?
And if they can't pay damages the club may go under?
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They should be de registered from the league for bringing the game into disrepute
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Conga line of gobshites
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What liability would the AFL have?
And if they can't pay damages the club may go under?
on your first point - the contracts are co-signed by the AFL, all standard terms & condtions are part of the AFL CBA with the players and these are all contracts. It has been well documented by opionion pieces written by sports lawayers that the players if they chose to sue are well within their rights to sue the AFL as well
re your 2nd point - Yes that's a problem for the EFC which is of their own making
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Sometimes when a man breaks into your house to steal something . And hurts himself in th process , he can sue you and win...
Efc: inject them self with banned drugs, sue the governing body :clapping
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It is understood evidence from biochemist Shane Charter and compounding chemist Nima Alavi has been ruled admissible by the AFL tribunal this week — but it is expected be given less weight because the pair has refused to appear and could not be cross-examined.
Got to love how Robbo adds his opinion onto a fact :wallywink. The fact Alavi and Charter's evidence has now been ruled admissible is significant and not good news for the Bombers' players. The judge could have easily dismissed it given both Alavi and Charters are absent from the hearing and not able to be cross-examined. By allowing the evidence, the judge is putting weight on it.
I wonder why hird was paying charters several thousands to weigh his pasta in th 90s
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Wackety
Wack whack
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/tom-elliott/essendon-players-damned-by-a-collective-silence/news-story/b4a3555b148d32aabf9283b5d77c1a32
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Former Essendon coach James Hird breaks silence on Bombers’ drugs saga
JAMES HIRD
Herald Sun
January 15, 2016
OF all of the questions asked by fans in response to Tuesday’s shocking and unfair decision by the Court of Arbitration for Sport, one stands out.
It is the enduring question of the past three years: What actually happened at Essendon in 2012-13?
Today is my first chance to publicly answer this question, unconstrained by the contractual obligations a coach must observe and free of pressure applied by the AFL.
I can finally offer a more detailed explanation to 34 young men and their families. Players who absolutely do not deserve this fate. Players to whom I am eternally sorry for reasons I will explain.
I can also place on the public record matters of importance to my family, friends, Essendon supporters and me. When I started as Essendon coach in September, 2010 I brought the values I hold dear.
I talked to the players about love for the club, about passion for the game, about hard work and trust.
I promised to get to know every one of them individually, to understand who they were and what motivated them to be great players and team men.
I promised the players I would create an environment in which they would become the very best footballers they could be and, in return, they would give their all.
This was our promise to each other.
At the end of my first year, we had made good on our obligations.
Several meetings to try to get to the bottom of the matter occurred in the weeks after Anzac Day 2012.
We were a tight unit. High performance was the mantra from top to bottom with then club president David Evans driving us to find the best ways to do everything we did.
This drive extended to making sure the players had the most beneficial and modern training regimens, diets and dietary supplements under the high performance program.
One of the criticisms levelled at Essendon is why we chose to inject players with compliant supplements at all.
The fact is we were not the only club to use compliant safe injectable supplements. Essendon was one of many AFL clubs doing this. It was legal, it was ethical and the logic and motivation were both sound. Why?
First, because players of both my era and past eras pushed ourselves beyond what the body was capable of, often through injuries and usually beyond pain all the while ignoring the long-term consequences.
At this time the use of painkillers, anti-inflammatory and sleeping tablets were the norm but would lead to side effects such as long-term arthritis, long-term neural pain, eroded stomach linings, addictions and sleeping disorders, to name a few.
To subject modern players to these “old world” methods and consequences would have been “low performance” at best and negligent at worst, especially given there had been so many developments in sports science since my time as a player.
Second, it would become clear our football team was uncompetitive in the “strength stakes”.
Our thinking was heavily influenced in 2011 by two-time premiership coach Mark Thompson, who was my senior mentor, and Brendan McCartney, my senior assistant coach.
Thompson and McCartney came from Geelong having built a powerful outfit.
Super strong and incredibly skilled, the Cats dominated the competition from 2007 until 2011.
Thompson and McCartney’s most poignant observation was that we lacked size and strength and so were uncompetitive.
Taking these two points together yielded a goal for our players — we wanted them to be bigger, stronger and healthier both as current players and when their career was over. To these ends, we interviewed three people for the role of head of high performance.
Our first choice at that time was at an English Premier League Soccer club. The fact he would not arrive until May, 2012 forced us to look again.
Had we secured this preferred applicant then the experience of the Essendon Football Club and 34 young men would have been very different.
Instead the sliding door we walked through introduced Essendon to the worlds of Dean Robinson and, at Robinson’s suggestion, Stephen Dank.
I don’t intend to go through every detail of every interaction the club had with them, solely because time and space do not permit and much is already on the public record.
But I’ll deal with the questions I am asked the most.
First, how did we come to trust those who were in charge of the supplements program?
The answer is that Robinson had made contributions to two AFL premierships at Geelong and NRL premierships with Manly. He was also appointed by the AFL itself to oversee the fledgling Gold Coast Sun’s strength and conditioning program.
The program contained the best group of young football talent in Australia. These facts and the background checks conducted by Paul Hamilton contributed to his bona fides.
He presented as a cross-code success story. It satisfied the due diligence.
It followed that the club would also agree to his suggestion that Dank must come with him as sports scientist and Suki Hobson, a very talented weights coach who specialised in ACL knee recovery, also had to be engaged.
This is how Robinson and Dank started their roles at Essendon.
I’m also often asked how these roles fitted into the structure of the football club.
The answer is that Hamilton was the head of the football department. Robinson reported to Hamilton, Dank reported to Robinson and the medical department reported to Robinson as well.
Dr Bruce Reid had a direct line to Hamilton if he needed to communicate directly.
I was responsible for the coaches and the player’s football performance. These were essentially discrete units where Hamilton and I were on the same level and reported independently and directly to the chief executive, Ian Robson.
This often surprises people, but it was how Robson wanted it and so how we ran it.
I am also often asked what were the quality control measures in place for the supplements program.
The supplements program was subject to a protocol with an important quality control measure that any supplements needed to be approved by Dr Reid before they could be given to the players.
The club required this precisely because Hamilton and the coaches had inadequate knowledge about supplements and because there would be no other sport’s doctor in Australia with as sound a reputation for maximising player welfare as Dr Reid.
As has been reported publicly, I was comfortable with supplements provided they would be ASADA and AFL approved, could do no harm to any player, the players have given their informed consent and the final approval lay with Dr Reid.
The supplements program then, from my perspective, had sound logic, important goals, the people the club had engaged presented as credible and successful, the structure for the program was right and the protocol for decision-making and player welfare had integrity.
I trusted the governance we put around this program and the people directly in charge of administering it.
I concentrated on my task as head coach, satisfied that the supplement piece of the high-performance puzzle at Essendon was compliant.
It seems that what transpired was that the protocol we put in place was not always followed.
Importantly, to our knowledge at that time, this was the scope of the problem, because Dank had assured the club the supplements were compliant.
He had even presented supporting evidence. Upon first learning of Dr Reid’s concerns in January 2012 that the protocol may not have been followed I re-emphasised the protocols that needed to be in place via email to Robinson.
I was clear. Crystal clear. In addition, Dr Reid would outline his concerns with Robinson and Dank and the lack of information he had received as to the effectiveness of the supplements.
I encouraged Dr Reid to put his concerns in writing to Hamilton.
These concerns were written in a letter from Dr Reid addressed to Hamilton and myself.
Unfortunately, I was not given a copy of this letter and did not see this letter until over a year after it was written.
A series of meetings would follow to try to get to the bottom of the matter and take the action that needed to be taken.
These meetings took place in the weeks after the Anzac Day game 2012, meetings in which Hamilton, Thompson, Dr Reid and I reminded Dank that there was no situation in which he was allowed to administer injections without Dr Reid’s approval as the protocol demanded.
A meeting in which Dr Reid and Danny Corcoran expressed to the club president and chief executive that Dank and Robinson should be sacked. A request I supported.
And ultimately a decision at the end of the season by the club that Dank would not be recontracted and that Robinson’s job would be significantly diminished, despite his threats of legal action.
My understanding is that the club’s explanation for the time it took to take this action was related to the cost of contract cancellation and the potential for legal action to be taken.
Subsequently, in October 2012 Corcoran was appointed as the head of the football department and a full review of the supplements program was undertaken.
The supplements protocol was then amended so the only person allowed to inject players would be the club doctor.
That was what happened in 2012 relating to the supplements program.
I add by way of summary and to reiterate that the protocol was made clear at the club, that Tuesday’s 48-page Court of Arbitration for Sport decision carries four separate references at paragraphs 18, 22, 23 and 26 to my insistences that the supplements program had to be legal, had to be compliant, had to have the informed consent of the players and had to be approved by Dr Reid.
Again, four separate references to my insistence that supplements had to be legal, had to be compliant, had to have the informed consent of the players and had to be approved by Dr Reid.
With these serious issues addressed we enjoyed a terrific and promising 2013 pre-season.
The players were fit, the club was harmonious and I felt we were on the verge of a very special season.
That feeling and optimism did not last long.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/former-essendon-coach-james-hird-breaks-silence-on-bombers-drugs-saga/news-story/8ce79063afbb812be12e750342a4d074
Tomorrow: Part 2
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:chuck :chuck
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Sometimes when a man breaks into your house to steal something . And hurts himself in th process , he can sue you and win...
Efc: inject them self with banned drugs, sue the governing body :clapping
EFC cannot sue the AFL Angus only the players can
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What do you reckon efc is
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What do you reckon efc is
Yep.
Can't recall the vfl/afl giving two flying poos about 'save our skins'.
Or fitzroy (for those under 25, Google is your friend)
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Part 1 of "My Story" by Jimmy "it's not fault" Hird in today's HUN is alot of rot
Talking about playing the blame game and refusing to accept any repsonsibility .... :gobdrop
I am not sure there is a big enough bus for the people he continues to throw under it without warning
Who is going to blame and throw under said bus in part 2 tomorrow?
The guy who cuts the grass and Bomber headquarters perhaps?
Can't be many left after part 1
***And no I can't post it, it's an on line article; one of those pay for view articles the HUN is now famous for
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Hmmmm we will assess that in line with the forum's rules and get back to you.
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Wp; do you accept the efc players, are a significant part of the efc ?
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Put this in your diaries - ABC 24 Sunday night - James Hird at the Ethics Centre
Not sure what Ethics and James Hird have in common, but should be an interesting night.
Not sure of the time.
https://twitter.com/ethics_centre/status/687146371099459584
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Wp; do you accept the efc players, are a significant part of the efc ?
What are you on about now
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Put this in your diaries - ABC 24 Sunday night - James Hird at the Ethics Centre
Not sure what Ethics and James Hird have in common, but should be an interesting night.
Not sure of the time.
https://twitter.com/ethics_centre/status/687146371099459584
7.40 pm
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Put this in your diaries - ABC 24 Sunday night - James Hird at the Ethics Centre
Not sure what Ethics and James Hird have in common, but should be an interesting night.
Not sure of the time.
https://twitter.com/ethics_centre/status/687146371099459584
It's funny enough that the ABC have anything to do with ethics in the first place without lining up Hird as their star guest!
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Ch 7 news filmed the suspended Bomber players entering and exiting a "secret" meeting today. Seven said the players were there to discuss their next move and whether to sue the EFC.
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Put this in your diaries - ABC 24 Sunday night - James Hird at the Ethics Centre
Not sure what Ethics and James Hird have in common, but should be an interesting night.
Not sure of the time.
https://twitter.com/ethics_centre/status/687146371099459584
It's funny enough that the ABC have anything to do with ethics in the first place without lining up Hird as their star guest!
Better than waleed ahly
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Put this in your diaries - ABC 24 Sunday night - James Hird at the Ethics Centre
Not sure what Ethics and James Hird have in common, but should be an interesting night.
Not sure of the time.
https://twitter.com/ethics_centre/status/687146371099459584
It's funny enough that the ABC have anything to do with ethics in the first place without lining up Hird as their star guest!
yeah the brain starts to think that when your weekends consist of binging on Fox News and attending young liberal conventions
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33$ a head. Fifty minute lie
True.
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:clapping
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Part 2 ....
Former Essendon coach James Hird opens up on AFL spin and how trust was broken
JAMES HIRD
Herald Sun
January 16, 2016
James Hird details his anger and regret but also the mixture of pride and sympathy he feels toward his players in the second instalment of his exclusive insight into Essendon’s drugs saga.
DAVID Evans came to see me. He looked pale. He said: “The AFL believes our players have taken performance-enhancing drugs.”
I replied: “I don’t know what you are talking about.’’
I do not know why Evans said this or why he said the AFL held this view.
I asked him for more information and he just made reference to the AFL’s opinion.
About 8.30 that night I was having dinner with my kids for my birthday and I got a call from Evans, who said: “We’re in a lot of trouble.
“The AFL believes that we’ve taken performance-enhancing drugs. Get over here straight away.”
I went. Evans was there with chief executive Ian Robson, and Danny Corcoran. Dr Reid arrived later.
David said he’d been told by AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou that we were taking performance-enhancing drugs, and I said: “I don’t believe him, David. What source does he have?”
He said: “There’s a report coming out.’’ And that he had been told Demetriou had seen it. The rest of this story is well known. It has been played out through the courts, on the national and international stage, a stage upon which Essendon’s relationship with the AFL soured.
We felt they were making a bad situation worse. Fairness demands I emphasise this was not a problem of their making.
But fairness also demands proper process be followed, free of ill-informed but ever-present attempts at media manipulation.
For us, it felt like spin first and procedural fairness last.
Why else were the club and I pressured to take responsibility well before the AFL’s own tribunal would clear the players? Pressure to which I naively bowed.
If the AFL had concerns in 2012 about what was allegedly going on at Essendon, why didn’t they talk to the club?
They were aware tests were sent for analysis in 2012, which would return negative, yet the club was never informed. Not even the club doctor.
Why was the AFL making decisions regarding potential sanctions 16 days before the first ASADA interview was conducted, as revealed by documents discovered in the Federal Court case?
Why, as revealed by the same documents, did the AFL need to tell ASADA the way the AFL wanted ASADA’s interim report to be written? To “take bits out that compromise what we need”. And why did ASADA agree?
These were the questions we kept asking, and still ask.
And while the Court of Arbitration for Sport decision in the eyes of many may render these questions as mere “complaints”, I ask them because they are important.
After all, the CAS decision was based on evidence presented from the AFL and ASADA investigations.
For the AFL’s future, it has to be procedural fairness first and spin a long last.
In respect of my relationship with the players during this period, all I can do is thank them.
They supported me and I supported them. We helped each other through. I tried to be the best coach I could be and they tried to be the best players possible.
There was sheer joy at the AFL Tribunal’s decision on March 31 last year and now desolation after the CAS decision on Tuesday.
The players can take pride in how they conducted themselves under such pressure. This is one of many reasons why they deserve an explanation.
Another is that if, as a player, I had been exposed to circumstances of this kind, I would have fairly demanded of the coach an explanation.
My explanation to the players is that my own trust was broken. As a consequence, the environment I had promised to create for the players was compromised.
My promise to the players was broken. I apologise to the players and their families.
And I hope this article explains how this came to pass, mindful that in the present circumstances it will only offer cold comfort at best.
As both a former coach and player, I have many conflicting and deep emotions.
I feel deeply, deeply sorry for the players. I believe the players are innocent.
I feel guilt, shame, anger and regret all at once. I also have some pride at what the players achieved in the most difficult of circumstances and admiration for the resilience and strength they have shown through these years.
I took people at their word. As the senior coach I trusted what I was told was correct.
I trusted that the protocol was followed, that when I and others issued further instructions, they were followed. That’s why if I were to do things differently, it would be to trust less, to ask more questions, and demand more answers.
And I would have resisted the pressure from the AFL, who were desperate to put a high-profile head on a spike.
As for this week’s CAS decision, I firmly believe the players do not deserve this finding. Lindsay Tanner’s description of it as “manifestly unfair” is absolutely right.
They do not deserve to face a 12-month suspension. It’s a miscarriage of justice.
To 34 young men, as well as this explanation and apology, I add that you have nothing to be ashamed about and much to be proud of. Essendon will endure and be successful again. I have no doubt.
As a lifelong fan of and believer in the Essendon Football Club, I wish it all the very best on the hard road ahead.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/former-essendon-coach-james-hird-opens-up-on-afl-spin-and-how-trust-was-broken/news-story/1daa2b2ce74c41186dd9bd0f43e44e48
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-james-hird-writes-rebecca-wilson/news-story/
Highlights of the best Hird article written on the doping regime so far are below.
"If you are James Hird, you never see yourself as a perpetrator. You are just James, the white haired boy in the bubble.
You have no concept of the collateral damage you have caused in a three-year campaign that has brought your club, your players and your code to its knees"
"Unlike any other football personality in the history of sport in Australia at the centre of a major scandal, Hird feels no pain, no guilt. All he feels through extreme, almost super human vanity, is that someone else, everybody else has to carry the can for what happened at Essendon.
It is hardly worth considering who he has blamed because not one of them should have ever been placed in the position that they were by the man who was much, much more than the head coach.
Melbourne and the football club had ensured Hird existed in a world beyond normal human frailty. He was the closest thing to perfect anyone had ever seen at Essendon. The best player they had ever seen, the greatest human being they had produced, the perfect, mouth-watering answer to finding greatness for this side through coaching it.
Over these last two days, newspaper readers have been treated to a Hird diatribe of stunning delusion and blame laying. Here in Sydney, or Brisbane, or Adelaide, the rant has raised more questions than answers. It has underlined just how conceited Hird is and how ridiculously unrepentant he remains"
"James Hird is the most culpable of everyone at Essendon. He decided that a 4000 needle program was a good idea. The doctor, the strength and conditioning team, the 34 players, the administration and, of course, the ‘sports scientist’ Stephen Dank are all right up there when you play the blame game. So, too, assistant coaches and pharmacists. Hird hasn’t missed any of them on his way through.
But peel back the many layers of mistakes, incompetence, deceit and pure arrogance and you find James Hird, the guru, the club’s favourite son, the man everyone trusted to deliver results.
Hird knew there were needles, he was Dank’s friend (text messages underlined how close they were) and he knew some of his playing group had questioned the program. He encouraged the hiding, he did not question ASADA once when they came for any of their multiple testing days.
Hird was so obsessed with himself that he allowed the saga to last for three years. He did not take sage advice to cop a hit. He persisted with court action even though he was told it would fail. He slowly, insistently, tragically, brought a club to its knees"
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(http://englishfromfriends.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/underthebus.jpg)
James Hird sighted in this area.
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Seriously, just more proof that the guy is a narcissist :facepalm.
We all remember Jimmy saying that when he finally gets to have his say the truth will come out. Well he's finally had his say and provided just the same airy fairy excuses and blame-shifting. He refuses to see that by cheering on and authorising the supplement program he was and still is responsible for it. His claims of ignorance only just demonstrate his own utter failure of governance.
Interestingly, there's no harsh criticism of Dank and no mention of his emails with Dank. No explanation for the secrecy, the lack of records, the lack of responding to warnings, etc.... Just more of the same old "it wasn't my fault" crap! ::)
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It also seems bizarre that he was firstly caught off guard when Evans let Hird know the AFL was investigation their supplements regime when he himself along with Dank and Robinson colluded to push boundarys. Didn't Dank himself inform Hird or at least the players that it was like standing right at the edge of a cliff without falling off? If you're going to incorporate that sort of mentality, and you know you'll be flirting with the rules, a mentality which YOU yourself veto'd, how can you then be so flabbergasted at news of an investigation and be totally and supremely confident you haven't done anything wrong and nothing will come of it.
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i must be missing something so let me know if i am but who GAF who told who now.
Question is and always will be are they guilty and the answer is YES. Listening to blobbo on 360, its like he has some dorothy dixer question thing going on that gets asked all the time. Its like its been planted by the turd himself. He did it to gill the other night, and the article is more of his fluff trying to catch everyone else out, except the one man who should shoulder most of the blame
Blobbo is too busy sucking up to hirdy to understand the facts in this case.
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i must be missing something so let me know if i am but who GAF who told who now.
Question is and always will be are they guilty and the answer is YES. Listening to blobbo on 360, its like he has some dorothy dixer question thing going on that gets asked all the time. Its like its been planted by the turd himself. He did it to gill the other night, and the article is more of his fluff trying to catch everyone else out, except the one man who should shoulder most of the blame
Blobbo is too busy sucking up to hirdy to understand the facts in this case.
+1
wgaf
they are drug cheats the details are boring
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could the flogs contest the CAS decision? It wouldnt surprise me, but how can they in a victorian surpreme court which is a completely different jurisdiction.
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Player agent claims Essendon doctor spoke to Nathan Lovett-Murray in injections room
Michael Warner
Herald Sun
January 17, 2016
ASADA: What about Stephen Dank?
Lovett-Murray: He wasn’t there the first time but the second time Danks was there and also Dr Reid.
ASADA: Dr Reid.
LM: Yeah.
ASADA: So the treatment they did on the second time when Dr Reid and Steve Dank were present: was it the same type of treatment?
LM: Yep.
ASADA: How many needles did you get the second time?
LM: Oh, same — yeah, about 10.
ASADA: Do you know what they were putting into you?
LM: Oh, I can’t remember.
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ASADA: That’s OK. And the fact that Dr Reid came with you on that second occasion, did that give you a bit more confidence about the process?
LM: Oh, he was only coming to have a look at it, but then sort of afterwards he said it was a load of rubbish.
ASADA: Did he?
LM: I wish he had told me that earlier.
ASADA: Twenty injections ago.
LM: Yeah.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/agent-claims-essendon-doctor-spoke-to-nathan-lovettmurray-in-injections-room/news-story/c8d170bb76ad22979a6b8caf1b5cdb26
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could the flogs contest the CAS decision? It wouldnt surprise me, but how can they in a victorian surpreme court which is a completely different jurisdiction.
MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR LEGAL ACTION GUARANTEED
APPEALS against the CAS decision to a Swiss court or the Supreme Court of Victoria are being considered, but Jess said multi-million-dollar legal actions against Essendon and the AFL were guaranteed.
He has engaged Tony Nolan SC to assess whether Lovett-Murray also has claims against AFL commissioners and Essendon board members.
“We will explore every avenue and whether individuals have breached their duties as directors,” Jess said.
Asked why the AFL was at risk of litigation, Jess said: “In my mind the AFL is the primary culprit in creating this catastrophic outcome for the players.
“At every chain of command they have failed in their duty of care.”
Jess said a “warning” given to Bombers coach James Hird about the use of peptides by league integrity chief Brett Clothier in August 2011 should have triggered action.
“Clothier, at that point, under the mandate of the AFL, which is required at all times to ensure the welfare of players, was compelled to intervene, to test players, to test the supplements and engage in a monitoring system,” he said.
“None of that happened, which ultimately would have stopped the program.”
He predicted AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick would not survive fallout from the suspensions.
“The most galling aspect for me is that within this period of a complete dereliction of their responsibilities to the players, the AFL commission awarded its executive $7 million in bonuses, including payouts to Andrew Demetriou, who was a key architect of the failures,” Jess said
“It calls into question whether the commission is the proper body the code needs going forward.
“I don’t think the chairman (Fitzpatrick) — because of his intimate involvement in this fundamentally flawed investigation — has any option but to resign.”
As for Watson’s Brownlow, Jess said: “Not only should he keep it, but they should give him a public apology for allowing this happen”.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/agent-claims-essendon-doctor-spoke-to-nathan-lovettmurray-in-injections-room/news-story/c8d170bb76ad22979a6b8caf1b5cdb26
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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/tim-lane-cas-decision-gives-cause-for-comfort-20160116-gm7axr.html
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Asked why the AFL was at risk of litigation, Jess said: “In my mind the AFL is the primary culprit in creating this catastrophic outcome for the players.
“At every chain of command they have failed in their duty of care.”
Jess said a “warning” given to Bombers coach James Hird about the use of peptides by league integrity chief Brett Clothier in August 2011 should have triggered action.
“Clothier, at that point, under the mandate of the AFL, which is required at all times to ensure the welfare of players, was compelled to intervene, to test players, to test the supplements and engage in a monitoring system,” he said.
“None of that happened, which ultimately would have stopped the program.”
Oh wow. Please go to court with this as your key point of challenge. It will be kicked out faster than a thymosin beta 4 injection.
Would be like sueing the Police for negligence and a failed duty of care for a crime you yourself committed and were convicted of. CAS have documented the intent for discretion from Essendon and desire to fly the program under the radar of ASADA and the AFL.
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AFL's fault my ass.
They nailed Essendon as hard as they could without having the appropriate evidence.
Needed WADA/CAS to come in and find them guilty by the overwhelming circumstances, none of this 'innocent until proven guilty' BS when they clearly covered it up...
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Let them appeal. The EFC's image is so badly smashed already and we all know they'll never succeed in any appeal. The longer this goes on the more likely they are to become completely insolvent. Even more so should the players launch anything against the club or the AFL. Good riddance, see ya later Essendope.
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Nlm playing the black card
Nice
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He used the term natural justice too
... What a champ
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https://www.change.org/p/gillon-mclachlan-mike-fitzpatrick-supporters-call-on-afl-to-show-strong-leadership-towards-a-clean-and-strong-competition?recruiter=12276507&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
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In response to the announcement of the sanctions, Essendon chairman Paul Little stressed the club's players and officials were not drug cheats.
"The admissions relate to governance and people management, not the administration of prohibited or harmful substances," he said.
"Importantly, there is no allegation of drug cheating.
"We apologise to our players and members, supporters and broader football community."
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The Essendon Football Club has not received any punishment for doping their players.
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In response to the announcement of the sanctions, Essendon chairman Paul Little stressed the club's players and officials were not drug cheats.
"The admissions relate to governance and people management, not the administration of prohibited or harmful substances," he said.
"Importantly, there is no allegation of drug cheating.
"We apologise to our players and members, supporters and broader football community."
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The Essendon Football Club has not received any punishment for doping their players.
What the?
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Actually the CAS was satisfied with WADA's allegations that the players had taken thymosin-beta 4 based on the evidence available.
This makes them drug cheats.
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:lol
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Off site transport. ^^
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ESSENDON has invited the parents of the 34 banned past and present players to a meeting to discuss ongoing support for the affected players.
The meeting follows the season-long ban the Court of Arbitration for Sport imposed last week over the club's 2012 supplements program.
The Bombers want to ensure parents understand the steps being taken to support the players since the decision was handed down last Tuesday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-21/essendon-calls-parents-meeting-over-banned-players
The players and their parents attending meetings with the EFC over the past 3 years has really worked in their favour so far :stupid.
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Nik Gianopolous ranting on Twitter about how they're innocent.
No surprises there.
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Is that dumb wog still out of work?
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Essendon will enter the record books this year in a number of categories. Let's take a look at a few that will get a shake.
Worst Percentages- Top 10 all time
Could go top 5 here- are certainly looking close to post war lowest ever
St Kilda 23.22 1899
St Kilda 28.99 1897
St Kilda 32.14 1901
St Kilda 32.67 1898
St Kilda 37.46 1900
St Kilda 41.88 1902
Melbourne 42.96 1919
St Kilda 45.39 1955
GWS 46.17 2012
Carlton 46.99 1901
Most points against in a season
I am tipping the Bombers to relieve the Saints of an unwanted record. Should push our shocking 1992 season down to 5th spot at least
St Kilda 3052pts 1982
Footscray 3035 1982
GWS 2990 2013
Richmond 2938 1992
St Kilda 2937 1985
Fitzroy 2935 1996
Melb 2929 1978
Carlton 2911 2007
Sydney 2901 1993
Melb 2873 1981
Worst Record - Home & Away Season (since 1945)
Should win this one. In the unlikely event that they snatch a game, could still go top 3.
Team P W L % Year
Hawthorn 18 18 49.81 1950
Fitzroy 18 18 59.73 1964
Fitzroy 22 1 21 49.47 1996
GWS 22 1 21 50.97 2013
Nth Melb 22 1 21 62.88 1972
Melb 22 1 21 63.49 1981
Sydney 20 1 19 63.32 1993
St Kilda 18 1 17 45.39 1955
Fitzroy 18 1 17 53.83 1966
Fitzroy 18 1 17 57.4 1963
Greatest winning margins
I'm tipping 2 Top 5 entries in the opponent column in 2016
Rank Margin Club Opponent Year Round Venue
1 190 Fitzroy Melbourne 1979 17 VFL Park
2 186 Geelong Melbourne 2011 19 Kardinia Park
3 178 Collingwood St Kilda 1979 4 Victoria Park
4 171 South Melbourne St Kilda 1919 12 Lake Oval
5 168 Richmond North Melbourne 1931 2 Punt Road Oval
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Bombers weigh up high-stakes appeal
Herald-Sun
January 22, 2016
FORMER Essendon players could form a breakaway group to launch a high-stakes appeal against their suspensions, with lawyers considering an injunction in a Swiss court.
Western Bulldogs president, lawyer Peter Gordon, is consulting lawyers in Switzerland about appealing the Court of Arbitration for Sport decision to the Swiss Federal Tribunal on behalf of Stewart Crameri and Brent Prismall.
The Herald Sun understands any appeal would be made on the grounds that:
WADA should not have been able to appeal the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal decision without proving a legal error or it was grossly unreasonable.
THE CAS decision didn’t adequately address the circumstances of each of the 34 players on a case-by-case basis; and
THE 12-month penalty was unreasonable.
Player manager Peter Jess, who has been speaking to lawyers for Nathan Lovett-Murray, backed Mr Gordon.
“There are still massive hurdles to overcome. An appeal won’t be heard for months, but if we can get an urgent injunction at least that will free up the players,” Mr Jess said.
“The CAS decision was factually incorrect in a number of ways, in particular taking facts from one player and applying it to the whole group.”
Mr Gordon, whose son Patrick is representing Crameri and Prismall, said they were considering an injunction to stay the CAS decision and let the pair play this season.
“History will show these young men have been subject to one of the gravest injustices in Australian sporting history,” he told ABC radio.
“There can’t be a full hearing before the start of the full season. (But there could be an) urgent injunction to stay the effect of the CAS ruling until a full hearing of the tribunal.
“This CAS judgment contains factual errors, unsupported propositions of law, it applies findings that may be pertinent to one player and extrapolates it to the other 33, often with no basis at all.”
Mr Gordon said under the 2010 AFL Anti-Doping Code, AFL Anti-Doping tribunal decisions could only be appealed if they contained a legal error or gross unreasonableness.
However, changes made to AFL anti-doping code in January last year — mandated by a World Anti-Doping Code change — allowed CAS to examine the case again.
“You can’t change the rules mid-course, as a cynic might see it, because you know you’re going to lose,” Mr Gordon said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/essendon-banned-players-consider-appeal-to-swiss-court/news-story/6b81964bed44aeea6760ddada397f9e3
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Jeff Browne
Another oxygen thief. Hopefully a homeless man poos down his throat
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Swiss courts won't give a stuff.
Wanker subject among wanker journos and players
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his nephew (Alex Browne) is one of the Essendon 34, drug cheats
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CAS sources point out Essendon could have been punished more severely, if the AFL was not its own international federation.
WADA rules allow for an international federation to suspend an entire team from competition if three or more players from the one team had been found guilty of a doping violation, as occurred with the Korean women's soccer team barred from a FIFA World Cup.
Because the AFL is a one-country sport, it is not answerable to international federations like the other football codes.
This has prevented Essendon from being stood down, as a club, in 2016, rendering the AFL a 17-team competition with significant ramifications for broadcasters, sponsors and, importantly, fans.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/the-essendon-verdict-the-debate-continues-20160125-gmdmn1.html
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CAS sources point out Essendon could have been punished more severely, if the AFL was not its own international federation.
WADA rules allow for an international federation to suspend an entire team from competition if three or more players from the one team had been found guilty of a doping violation, as occurred with the Korean women's soccer team barred from a FIFA World Cup.
Because the AFL is a one-country sport, it is not answerable to international federations like the other football codes.
This has prevented Essendon from being stood down, as a club, in 2016, rendering the AFL a 17-team competition with significant ramifications for broadcasters, sponsors and, importantly, fans.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/the-essendon-verdict-the-debate-continues-20160125-gmdmn1.html
For the AFL, it's been convenient that the saga has dragged out for a long long 3 years. Essendon can still fill a team in 2016 with the top-up players, whereas if this ban had occurred back in 2013, it would have been all 34 players out from their list and the AFL would've likely breached their TV deal contract which demands an 18-team competition.
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Comprehensive myth buster.
https://chriskaias.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/the-essendon-cas-verdict-your-top-15-questions-answered/ (https://chriskaias.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/the-essendon-cas-verdict-your-top-15-questions-answered/)
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Comprehensive myth buster.
https://chriskaias.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/the-essendon-cas-verdict-your-top-15-questions-answered/ (https://chriskaias.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/the-essendon-cas-verdict-your-top-15-questions-answered/)
Chris' articles are excellent
Very balanced and fair
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Should See the deficiency in IQ amongst bummers fans, arguing against him on Twatter. .....
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A beseiged Essendon Football Club took another hit today, copping a $200,000 fine for workplace safety breaches during their 2012 supplements regime.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/essendon-bombers-fined-200000-for-workplace-safety-breaches-over-supplements-saga/news-story/9376b7abd1c210dbe9434cf3745f9695
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Afl communist equalisation fund can take care of that
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New twist as Dank to argue he did not send Charter to China
Jon Pierik
The Age
January 31, 2016
Former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank is to argue he did not source banned peptides from China through disgraced biochemist Shane Charter, as he prepares to ramp up more than two dozen defamation cases.
Charter has been a central figure in the case against 34 past and present Essendon players, although he changed his evidence from when he was grilled by anti-doping investigators to when he was interviewed by lawyers and Essendon chief executive Xavier Campbell representing the players.
Charter, a convicted drug importer, originally said he went to China in November 2011 to source thymosin beta-4, the drug the players ultimately have been banned for a year for taking, and the legal immunity booster, thymosin alpha.
Charter later said he had sourced only thymosin alpha, on behalf of Dank's business partner at his Sydney anti-ageing clinic.
In what shapes as another twist, Fairfax Media has been told Dank is to argue Charter's entire evidence was a lie, and that neither he nor his business partner had asked Charter to make the trip to China. Dank will also argue he had never sourced peptides through Charter.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Agency had argued that thymosin beta-4 procured by Charter was given to Melbourne compounding pharmacist Nima Alavi and injected into Essendon players by Dank.
However, Dank is set to argue his relationship with Alavi did not begin until December 11, 2011, again highlighting he had nothing to do with Charter or Alavi when the trip to China allegedly took place.
In an interview on 3AW in December 2014, Charter said ASADA had electronic evidence of him sourcing thymosin beta-4 from China and supplying it for Alavi. He also added: "Dank asked for a range of peptides, including thymosin beta-4."
While Dank will argue he did not send Charter to China, the pair did have previous dealings: they had in that same year discussed a joint business venture, which ultimately was rejected by Dank.
Dank is expected to admit he used thymosin beta 4 at his clinic, but not on the Essendon players. He has maintained he only gave thymomodulin, a permitted thymosin peptide, to the players.
But when handing down its findings this month, the Court of Arbitration for Sport found that Dank's program could only have been geared towards thymosin beta-4 "as no other available form of thymosin would have provided Mr Dank's desired results" in terms of player recovery benefits.
Dank is expected to launch legal action against Charter this year, as well as individuals from the NRL, AFL, ASADA and major media outlets. He has already won a defamation case against News Corp for $50,000.
As the supplements saga rolls on, player agent Peter Jess has recommended the 34 players consider criminal action against Dank. Jess has sought legal advice from a leading barrister over whether Dank could be hauled before a court and compelled to explain his actions.
Jess, who said the barrister wanted to remain anonymous at this time, has provided Fairfax Media with documents outlining a potential assault case.
The document alleges Dank could be prosecuted for assault under the Victorian Crimes Act 1958.
"Assault means the direct or indirect application of force by a person to the body of, or to the clothing or equipment worn by, another person, where the application of force is: without lawful excuse ... application of matter in solid, liquid or gaseous form," the document states.
The barrister states: "It would seem on the above mentioned and in the circumstances, that Stephen Dank would be guilty of assault. He also could be guilty of 'recklessly wounding or inflicting serious grievous bodily harm' on the players, as section 17 of the Victorian Crimes Act states".
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-34-new-twist-as-stephen-dank-to-argue-he-did-not-send-shane-charter-to-china-20160130-gmhn50.html
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Stephen Dank warns more to play out in the never-ending Essendon drugs saga
Matt Murnane
The Age
February 1, 2016
Stephen Dank has warned there is more to play out in the never-ending Essendon drugs saga, claiming he will put key witnesses from football's biggest story on the stand and, as a result, leave ASADA with "huge" questions to answer about the investigation that led to 34 past and present Bombers players receiving year-long bans.
In a continuation of Dank's recent approach of avoiding high-profile mainstream media, he offered an extensive late-night interview to 3RRR's Party Show over the weekend and made a number of strong statements aimed at some of the saga's most prominent figures.
During the interview, Dank was questioned several times about the existence of the detailed records that he claimed he kept through a supplements program he said was "certainly robust in governance".
Dank claimed that he had confirmation from a "very robust" body that the spreadsheets and the documentation associated with the products used at Essendon were "certainly in the keeping of at least ASADA", and "probably the AFL as well".
"Certainly from my end, I believe there is proof that exists in terms of what the players took and that substantiates everything that I've said all the way along," he said.
A theory was put to Dank during the interview that someone at Essendon had hit the delete button on some of the records, to which Dank replied: "That's been put to me by two people, two people who I believe are well placed to support that theory".
nswer "specifics" about the supplements program and the drugs involved until he could do so in a "more appropriate forum".
Dank gave extensive answers to some questions and only vague, restricted answers to others, asked by two interviewers who were known to him, and again, Dank refused to a
Among other statements, Dank claimed that some players had family members present when they had injections in the program and stressed that no player was ever asked to not fully disclose the supplements they were being given when drug tested by ASADA.
Dank said it was "laughable" that Thymosin beta-4 – the banned substance the "Essendon 34" were found guilty of taking by the CAS – was even considered performance enhancing and downplayed the importance of the supplements program in what he was trying to achieve at Essendon, working closely with fitness boss Dean Robinson.
Dank claimed the supplements program was simply an "adjunct to bigger areas of physiology that we were developing".
This is contradictory to a text message that emerged during the ASADA investigation, where it is alleged Dank said to Robinson: "don't forget how important Thymosin is. This is going to be our vital cornerstone next year".
In another statement, Dank said ASADA needed to go "back to kindergarten" if it thought Thymosin beta-4 was at the forefront of doping.
Dank has a number of planned law suits in the works against media organisations, so it is likely that subsequent legal action that brought to the surface any flaws in ASADA's investigation would be too late to help those players who had been banned.
But Dank continued his long-running narrative that he had done nothing wrong and that his legal action would uncover the truth, eventually.
Read more at: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/stephen-dank-warns-more-to-play-out-in-the-neverending-essendon-drugs-saga-20160131-gmi6zs.html
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More "the dog ate my homework" and "TB4 really isn't performance enhancing" crap from Dank. The more he speaks, the more the CAS decision was on the money.
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Back under your bridge goblin
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Back under your bridge goblin
MT or Stephen Dank?
:lol
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-05/essendon-insurers-set-to-fund-appeal-to-federal-supreme-court-of-switzerland
:pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
Also being reported on 3AW that 20 players are set to launch an appeal.
;D ;D ;D
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Lol
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Ch 7 news saying it will be all 34
They will continue serving their suspensions
AFL commission likely to defer a decision on the Brownlow until after the appeal
Essendon to foot the legal bill via their insurers
Also heard Chip LeGrand on SEN he pointed out that these appeals of CAS decision have very rarely been successful
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Any idea when the appeal will be held? Hopefully mid year so the flogs sit out some time
Bottom line it's another year that will only be remembered for one thing. idiot of an organisation this mob
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Any idea when the appeal will be held? Hopefully mid year so the flogs sit out some time
Bottom line it's another year that will only be remembered for one thing. idiot of an organisation this mob
I think there's an understanding that even if they are successful they won't be able to play in '16. Its more about clearing their names, hence needing the approval of insurance first.
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They can use a line from one the old World Series Cricket C'mon Aussie ads for next year's membership campaign - "They've been training all the winter and there's not a team that's fitter..."
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Any idea when the appeal will be held? Hopefully mid year so the flogs sit out some time
Bottom line it's another year that will only be remembered for one thing. idiot of an organisation this mob
I think there's an understanding that even if they are successful they won't be able to play in '16. Its more about clearing their names, hence needing the approval of insurance first.
Chip Le Grand said this is likely to drag on another 6-12 momths
Posted before they will not be playing this year
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Aah good ol chip
Didn't he say there's not enough evidence against them or its damning against the flogs.
Can't keep up with this sorry state of affairs
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The AFL has ruled that Port Adelaide, St Kilda, Western Bulldogs and Melbourne will not be permitted - as Essendon have been - to contract replacements to cover for their losses.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-drugs-saga-other-clubs-with-banned-former-essendon-players-cant-replace-them-20160205-gmmzo7.html
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Aah good ol chip
Didn't he say there's not enough evidence against them or its damning against the flogs.
Can't keep up with this sorry state of affairs
Aah no he didnt
He did write an exceptionally good book on this sorry state of affairs, it is a very balanced account and becuase of that it is extremely damning of the EFC and one James Hird
Zuggest yuo read it, moght learn a few things
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please, chip has been writing endless articles of crap.
chip le tosser
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please, chip has been writing endless articles of crap.
chip le tosser
Have you read the book?
And did you read what i wrote?
I said that his book is very balanced and as a result it is extremely damning of the EFC & Hird
Do you undertand that, can i make it any clearer for you. How about this.. the book gives out some mighty whacks
Clear?
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please, chip has been writing endless articles of crap.
chip le tosser
Have you read the book?
And did you read what i wrote?
I said that his book is very balanced and as a result it is extremely damning of the EFC & Hird
Do you undertand that, can i make it any clearer for you. How about this.. the book gives out some mighty whacks
Clear?
Agree WP. It is balanced. However, he does fall short of stating what we all know is the obvious. Dank used PEDs. He raises it as a possibility but qualifies it with the garbage that Dank has told him. Dank is totally unreliable. I understand why he couldn't write that at the time the book was written and published though.
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This guy, Chris Kaias, goes through in detail 15 questions about the CAS verdict and how CAS came to their decision. A good (lengthy) read.
The 15 questions are:
1. With no positive tests, no whistleblowers, and no confessions, how can the Players have been found guilty?
2. How can two Tribunals arrive at such different verdicts with no new evidence?
3. How could the CAS Panel place any weight on the evidence of Mr Charter, Mr Dank, or Mr Alavi, given the unreliability of these individuals?
4. Were the individual circumstances of each player considered on a case-by-case basis?
5. How could the CAS Panel find against all of the Players? In doing so, did the Panel effectively reverse the onus of proof?
6. How could the CAS Panel be sure that it was TB-4, and not some other variant of Thymosin?
7. Given that this case took almost three years to resolve, why wasn’t there a greater discount for delay?
8. Why did the Players not receive a ‘No Significant Fault’ discount?
9. How can the Players be accused of hiding the regime from Dr Reid, when he was present for Nathan Lovett-Murray’s injections?
10. It has been stated that the decision wasn’t unanimous, with 4 out of 6 judges clearing the players—Is this fair?
11. Is it true that Henry Slattery didn’t receive any injections and Mark McVeigh was only injected with Melatonin?
12. The CAS Panel claimed that Mr Dank injected Sandor Earl with TB-4—Was this correct?
13. The fact that Mr Dank ordered blood tests was considered relevant by the CAS Panel—How can this be relevant, when the tests weren’t for TB-4?
14. Did WADA change the rules in 2015, and therefore was it wrong for CAS to conduct the hearing ‘de novo’?
15. Should the AFL simply refuse to enforce the CAS decision, and walk away from the WADA Code?
https://chriskaias.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/the-essendon-cas-verdict-your-top-15-questions-answered/
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https://www.change.org/p/senator-richard-di-natale-senator-john-madigan-senator-nick-xenophon-inquiry-into-ethics-practices-of-asada-afl-wada-antidoping-case-against-the-34-efc-players?recruiter=482632394&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink (https://www.change.org/p/senator-richard-di-natale-senator-john-madigan-senator-nick-xenophon-inquiry-into-ethics-practices-of-asada-afl-wada-antidoping-case-against-the-34-efc-players?recruiter=482632394&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink)
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https://www.change.org/p/senator-richard-di-natale-senator-john-madigan-senator-nick-xenophon-inquiry-into-ethics-practices-of-asada-afl-wada-antidoping-case-against-the-34-efc-players?recruiter=482632394&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink (https://www.change.org/p/senator-richard-di-natale-senator-john-madigan-senator-nick-xenophon-inquiry-into-ethics-practices-of-asada-afl-wada-antidoping-case-against-the-34-efc-players?recruiter=482632394&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink)
Seriously, their reasons are laughable. They clearly aren't aware nor don't understand the case, nor all the evidence, nor the WADA code and its emphasis that the sportsperson is ultimately responsible for what goes into their body. And these guys are our law makers :help.
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We believe these players were denied:
The presumption of innocence The players were still able to train and play while the ASADA investigation and court hearings were occurring.
The right to an independent Hearing No one complained about the independence of these hearings when the AFL tribunal couldn't be 'comfortably satisfied' by ASADA's case.
The right to remain silent That's what got the players into trouble in the first place. If they hadn't remained silent, the whole dodgy 'supplement' program would've been exposed for what it was right from the beginning.
The right to privacy and confidentiality The individual names of the 34 players were not made public while the investigation was occurring. It was Watson himself admitted to believing he was given AOD-9604 live on Fox Footy. Before that, we had dopey McVeigh say he was only given Vitamin B & C in his public attack on former teammate Kyle Reimers ::).
The right not to be tried twice for the same offence These pollies need to look up the word 'appeal' and 'new evidence' (i.e. from Dr Cox).
The right to be dealt with promptly and not subject to unnecessary delays Blame the EFC and Hird for that; not to mention the difficulty in finding out what happened thanks to the total lack of record keeping etc by the EFC and the players with their own doping forms.
The right for an appeal to be heard in an Australian Court WADA is an international body. Welcome to the big wide world.
The rest of their argument is simply conspiracy theory.
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Their only defence is that they didn't take TB4.
Funny, they argued they had thymosin alpha 1 - a drug Dank has never ever said he gave them!!!
Dank said he gave them thymomodulin - a completely different drug to TA1 - and he doesn't even sell it online from MRC peptides, a online store that he is a director of! The only drug he sells similar is called THYMOSIN. When you click on that you get, you guessed it, thymosin beta 4!!! Guess what the consents had on them - THYMOSIN!!!
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An yet the science of Steve dank interview he admits injecting tb4
'The appeal will be conducted in French' haha love it
Le drug cheats
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/former-essendon-rookie-hal-hunter-to-sue-club-over-supplements-program-20160210-gmqeea.html
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Poor kid,
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PAPERWORK for the Essendon 34's appeal to the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland is expected to be formally lodged overnight.
As of Wednesday afternoon, it was looking likely all 34 past and present Bombers players would be party to the appeal, sources told AFL.com.au.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-10/essendon-34-set-to-appeal-their-seasonlong-afl-bans
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Idiots
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Gen Y entitlement complex.
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Gem Y entitlement complex.
Reminds me of a story of recent times.
This guy at work got a few of us onto this barbers place up the road. Anyhoot, long story short, this place gave 4/5 of us a nice doo at a great price but one of us (a gen y no less) wasn't happy. The fade was too high.
Not just unhappy, seriously insisted 'we' sort the problem out coz We are a guys who (as a gen xers and more competent gen y's perhaps) gets things sorted. And sat on his hands.
Welcome to the real world, sort your own poo out honey
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Pfft "fade".....short back and sides, spare the head....
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Pfft "fade".....short back and sides, spare the head....
Short back and sides? Do people still talk like this?
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U should have kicked him in the face
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UPDATE: THE 34 current and former Essendon players hit with doping bans last month will lodge appeal papers in a Swiss court today.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/essendon-chairman-lindsay-tanner-says-its-unlikely-banned-bombers-will-be-back-on-the-park-this-season/news-story/06dc142ed1dff5ef00acb3316012baa1
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Another hit to the Bombers' bottom line ...
Essendon drops ticket costs as crowds start to fall
Grant Baker
Herald Sun
February 11, 2016 8:00pm
ESSENDON will cut ticket prices at several of its games this year.
Attendances fell in the second half of 2015 as the supplements scandal continued and the team’s performance declined.
The average Essendon crowd was about 45,000 in 2012 but only 40,600 last year.
Essendon, along with Carlton, set a $60 top price for tickets at the MCG last year — $5 less than most rivals — and they are again expected to set a lower mark this year.
Top prices at Etihad Stadium are expected to remain about $65.
The club is confident games such as Anzac Day and Dreamtime at the ‘G as well as the new Country Round theme match against Geelong will see it maintain good attendance levels in the first half of the season — despite fielding a greatly weakened side.
But a less commercially appealing fixture in the second half — including several Sunday afternoon games against interstate opponents — will present a greater challenge.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-drops-ticket-costs-as-crowds-start-to-fall/news-story/6b3e0cca86a147c2d151b81c8e52838d
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they were getting done by 100 points to the like of the saints
now the majority of the backline is banned lets see how they go
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If they fail their appeal then their sentences should not be backdated anymore, and therefore extended to include all of the 2017.
Pricks honestly just let it go. Their arguments are ridiculous.
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They have almost zero chance of winning the appeal. Paragraph 114 of the CAS verdict explains why they could do it de novo.
The question must be asked why the same 34, backed by their insurance, do not take Dank to court to order him to give information of where he purchased the drugs from so that they can go to those companies and get their records of sale. That would determine what they were given and finally we would have ann answer to the saga. We all probably know why this isn't going to happen…..
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The fact they're trying to get off on some legal technicality rather than present new evidence to support their cause shows they're still deluded. If they were so confident CAS was wrong then they would seek an injunction but that would cost them 2017 as well when this appeal gets dismissed. It's pie in the sky stuff.
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Leading AFL clubs are incensed that the salaries of five suspended former Essendon players are likely to sit outside the salary caps of their new homes.
The AFL has indicated that the bulk of the salaries of suspended Port Adelaide pair Patrick Ryder and Angus Monfries, St Kilda’s Jake Carlisle, Melbourne’s Jake Melksham and Western Bulldog Stewart Crameri won’t be included in their club’s salary caps.
Essendon is likely to pay the majority of the contracts for those five players under terms of negotiations.
Sydney, Richmond, Hawthorn and Collingwood are among the clubs concerned that this salary cap exemption would create an opportunity for those four clubs to use the space for recruiting.
While the AFL is yet to confirm the salary cap arrangements for the five players, the league has indicated that more than half the players’ salaries will fall outside the cap — an outcome that has riled rival clubs, which are hoping to overturn the AFL’s initial ruling.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/port-adelaide-melbourne-st-kilda-western-bulldogs-could-benefit-from-salary-cap-concession-on-exbombers/news-story/90698df596a7cfc7384cb9e76b679aa5
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Lol
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AFL thumbing its nose at the CAS decision….
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-02/asada-demands-banned-player-brent-prismall-stop-working-at-bulldogs
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It seems like the AFL can't even read its own rules! :gobdrop
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I'm all for the players not playing or training with their clubs.
But as a player welfare manager seriously does it matter? If it doesn't affect the fairness of the competition I think it's a bit silly...
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It seems like the AFL can't even read its own rules! :gobdrop
Yep, it was their rules not the ASADA rules in this case :lol
Although the it was crystal clear by the wording of the penalty that they were not allowed to be involved in AFL role. No grey area there
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I'm all for the players not playing or training with their clubs.
But as a player welfare manager seriously does it matter? If it doesn't affect the fairness of the competition I think it's a bit silly...
It's matter as drug cheating scum might rub off
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I'm all for the players not playing or training with their clubs.
But as a player welfare manager seriously does it matter? If it doesn't affect the fairness of the competition I think it's a bit silly...
Do we really want convicted dopers being the players welfare officer????? Seems like they are last people you want to receive advice from….
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THE nightmare just won’t go away for Essendon Football Club.
On Monday night the ABC’s Four Corners is handing out another belting with the story of Hal Hunter, a young player who is taking the club to court to force them to release his medical records so he can find out just what was in the supplements he was instructed to take.
Source: Jon Ralph in the Herald-Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/sunday-score-chris-yarran-was-overweight-when-he-joined-richmond/news-story/c700a1926825e32e7e1b2a949dab9fc7)
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Former Essendon Bomber sees 'direct link' between supplements and depression
Jake Niall
The Age
March 21, 2016
Hal Hunter, the former Essendon player who has taken legal action against the club and AFL, says his diagnosis of anxiety and depression stem from concern about what he was given during the club's 2012 injection program.
Speaking at length for the first time about his ordeal and his decision to take legal action, Hunter, 22, told Fairfax Media a psychological assessment had found there was a "direct link" between concern about what he was injected with and his condition.
"Well, I had a psychological analysis and that's what they told me, that there was a direct link between the two," he said, in an in-depth interview in February.
"From what I was told from my psychological analysis and the psychologist that I see regularly, and I know myself, the anxiety comes from all the unanswered questions, all the possibilities that arise from the supplements program that I was involved in and that day to unanswered questions, the anxiety around that, obviously has huge impacts on my life. It's not something there I can switch off, go to work, go 'I'm not going to think about that.' It's always there."
Hunter and his family have provided Fairfax Media with a summary of the psychologist's assessment, which says a "psychological sword of Damocles" will hang over him all his life.
"It is a recipe for life-long anxiety and depression," Professor Ian Coyle said in his statement.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/exbomber-sees-direct-link-between-supplements-and-depression-20160320-gnmnqg.html
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Funny, my counselor told me the exact same thing. :whistle
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Former Essendon Bomber sees 'direct link' between supplements and depression
Jake Niall
The Age
March 21, 2016
Hal Hunter, the former Essendon player who has taken legal action against the club and AFL, says his diagnosis of anxiety and depression stem from concern about what he was given during the club's 2012 injection program.
Speaking at length for the first time about his ordeal and his decision to take legal action, Hunter, 22, told Fairfax Media a psychological assessment had found there was a "direct link" between concern about what he was injected with and his condition.
"Well, I had a psychological analysis and that's what they told me, that there was a direct link between the two," he said, in an in-depth interview in February.
"From what I was told from my psychological analysis and the psychologist that I see regularly, and I know myself, the anxiety comes from all the unanswered questions, all the possibilities that arise from the supplements program that I was involved in and that day to unanswered questions, the anxiety around that, obviously has huge impacts on my life. It's not something there I can switch off, go to work, go 'I'm not going to think about that.' It's always there."
Hunter and his family have provided Fairfax Media with a summary of the psychologist's assessment, which says a "psychological sword of Damocles" will hang over him all his life.
"It is a recipe for life-long anxiety and depression," Professor Ian Coyle said in his statement.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/exbomber-sees-direct-link-between-supplements-and-depression-20160320-gnmnqg.html
he needs a human rights lawyer
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Very interesting 4 corners episode just screened....
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Lawyers behind suspended former Bomber Jake Carlisle have linked the player's off-season drug use with the trauma of his last three years at Essendon.
Carlisle's looming compensation claim comes amidst an avalanche of various legal actions facing the club from the 34 banned past and present players who have now split into various groups.
Fairfax Media has found divisions emerging between various factions, with many players and their managers becoming increasingly disenchanted with the AFL Players Association and the league itself.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...endon-supplements-trauma-20160321-gnn574.html
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Very interesting 4 corners episode just screened....
Pricks should be in jail
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"If I don't get this information and I don't get the answers to the questions I'm asking, it's never going to go away." Hal Hunter, Former Essendon Football Club Player
This week Four Corners takes you inside one former Essendon player's battle to find out just what was in the supplements he was directed to take.
"They're not even willing to tell him what (the supplement) is, they're not even willing to tell him that they don't know." Lawyer
As a rookie with the club, Hal Hunter joined the other more senior players in the supplements program. He gives an eye witness account of what it was like to be part of the regime and what went on once the scandal broke.
"Now (they're) trying to make him pay for the privilege of finding out." Lawyer
He describes how the Club has stonewalled his attempts to obtain his medical records prompting him to take action in court, the first Essendon player to do so.
Hal Hunter's case gives an insight into the oversight of the club and its approach to the duty of care it owed all its players.
"I don't understand how an employer can treat an employee in that way." Player Agent
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http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2016-03-21/club-statement
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[BOT] The Age - Drug Policy Central
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9 hours ago - Heppell, the 2015 acting captain at Essendon, has a series of different issues having lost his sponsorship with Adidas ...
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EFC has been campaigning against bullying whilst bullying Hal Hunter!
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/2016-03-18/make-a-stand-against-bullying
:lol
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Back to the "it was only vitamins" excuse :facepalm.
Stephen Dank: Former Bomber Hal Hunter has nothing to fear
Jon Pierik
The Age
March 22, 2016
Stephen Dank, the man at the centre of the Essendon drugs saga, says former Bomber Hal Hunter should not be in fear of his health.
And Dank insists he never arranged for biochemist Shane Charter, a convicted drug importer, to go to China to source peptides for his program.
Hunter has revealed his diagnosis of anxiety and depression stems from what he was administered during the Bombers' 2012 supplements program.
Hunter says he was among the group of players injected at the Hypermed clinic when an unknown substance, believed to have been sourced from Mexico, was administered.
Dank said on Monday that the substance was a preparation of 21 amino acids and vitamins which can be bought over the counter at a chemist in Australia.
"Every player was told exactly what the mix was. Everyone was told," he said.
"It was a complete mix of amino acids, both essential and non-essential, plus vitamin C and the complete B group. When has WADA banned amino acids and vitamins?"
Dank also insists the drug was from New Mexico.
Hunter, who has also been interviewed by the ABC's Four Corners program, said he regretted not asking more questions about the injection program. Dank maintains the players had ample opportunity to question him and former high-performance boss, Dean Robinson.
"For the first six weeks before any player was injected or given anything, Dean Robinson would often sit in the room with me," he said.
"If any player couldn't answer what the substance was, what they were given or injected, if they couldn't answer what it was or what its biological effect is, we made him sit down and go through it all again."
Dank, the self-styled sports scientist, would not comment when asked specifically what other drugs Hunter may have been given. Dank maintains the players were not given the banned drug thymosin beta-4, of which 34 past and present players, excluding Hunter, are now serving a year-long ban for being administered. Dank insists he only gave players the legal drug, thymomodulin.
"What has he (Hunter) got to worry about - if it was thymomodulin or thymosin-beta 4? Guess what? Those are registered therapeutic products. Where is the issue?" he said.
Dank gave sworn evidence to the Australian Crime Commission that he administered thymomodulin, an immunity booster safely given to infants, and not thymosin beta-4.
It is not listed by name, but thymosin beta-4 is a peptide that falls under WADA's S2 category for performance-enhancing drugs.
Hunter said he had considered contacting Dank since the scandal erupted in February 2013 but doubted whether he would be given any substantial information.
"Do you really think I would say, 'hop up on the table, we are going to give you an injection', without explaining it?" Dank said.
One of the major chains of evidence through the saga has been whether Dank, through his role at Essendon or through his private business, had Charter source thymosin beta-4 from China, with this then given to compounding pharmacist, Nima Alavi.
Dank insists the timeline of events endorses his claim that he had nothing to do with Charter on this issue. He claimed Charter spent from November 17-24 in 2011 in China. Dank said at that point, having started at Essendon, he had yet to even link with Alavi.
"There was no way I sent Charter on that trip. Our decision [through his private business] to go with Alavi wasn't until December 11. It was on December 2 that our pharmacist said he was winding down," he said.
"There was no evidence that I sent him. There wasn't even an email to say 'go do it'. Wouldn't I have paid for his airfare, accommodation, expenses, cab? Guess what? Not one single expense I covered. If I sent him to China, wouldn't I be paying him?"
Other reports said Charter had left for China on November 26. Charter originally told authorities he had sourced thymosin beta-4 but later recanted and said he had only taken the legal immunity booster, thymosin alpha.
Charter said he had discussed a range of WADA-approved substances with Dank and former Essendon coach James Hird at a chance encounter by the pool of a Gold Coast hotel in December 2011.
While the AFL anti-doping tribunal found in March 2015 it was not "comfortably satisfied" that the players had been given thymosin beta-4, the tribunal was comfortably satisfied that Charter had bought thymosin beta-4 in his first shipment of peptides from GL Biochem in China and that those peptides were passed on to Alavi. But the tribunal was not sure that Dank had received the drug in his capacity as an Essendon representative.
But the Court of Arbitration for Sport ruled that it was comfortably satisfied the players had been given a banned substance.
Dank last week lost a defamation case over a series of articles about his administering banned peptides to Cronulla Sharks' NRL players which may have accelerated Jon Mannah's death from cancer.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stephen-dank-former-bomber-hal-hunter-has-nothing-to-fear-20160321-gnn798.html
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Hahahaha!
Just amino acids! Isn't that what he told the weapon to call all the illegal peptides they were about to use? After all, they are just a combination of amino acids!
The guy just confessed under oath that he gave the Cronulla players GHRP 6 and CJC1295! Aren't they amino acids too?
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Further to this....
Counsel for News Corp Tom Blackburn SC told the court he planned to call 17 players from the Cronulla first-grade team of 201l to testify. He also revealed to the jury a text-message exchange that took place between Robinson and Dank in October 2011 — five months after Dank left Cronulla.
Dank wrote: “Hi mate, peptides don’t make the WADA list for next year.”
Robinson replied: “I know, check out section S0 it may fall there.”
“I have, a little grey but CJC-1295 probably doesn’t.”
“Is it approved by any government agency for human therapeutic use?”
Dank texted: “No but never submitted for therapeutic use.”
The conversation continued with Robinson asking: “Can we just call them amino acids or something of the kind?”
Dank replied: “Yes that’s all they are an amino acid blend.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/stephen-dank-case-essendon-pulled-into-defamation-action/news-story/c679097c67c8207098bf78953867d6d7
Can't he just say :booboo ?
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SUSPENDED Bomber Dyson Heppell says he feels “let down” by Essendon after seeing a year of his career taken away from him by a WADA suspension.
In the first wideranging interview with a suspended current Essendon player, Heppell denied that he and the other players deserved blame for their role in the so-called supplements saga.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/suspended-bomber-dyson-heppell-says-he-feels-let-down-by-essendon-for-drugs-saga-that-saw-suspension/news-story/c392044bf72996af9080362162dadc20
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Very interesting 4 corners episode just screened....
I watched the replay of this the other night. Every time you revisit this, it just reminds you what an absolute disgrace what went on at Essendon. Injecting players with equine medication as well as an imported substance left behind by a muscular dystrophy patient at Hypermed. God knows what else was used to experiment as the Bombers still can't/won't tell anyone. But hey James, Dank and co. say it was all alright and still try to claim they are the "victims" and that they care for the players' welfare ::).
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Heppell to sue Essendon for $1 million according to Barrett tonight.
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Potential next captain sues his club for a million bucks. Other banned players to sue the EFC for lesser amounts. This saga is the gift that keeps on giving ;D.
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SUSPENDED Bomber Dyson Heppell says he feels “let down” by Essendon after seeing a year of his career taken away from him by a WADA suspension.
In the first wideranging interview with a suspended current Essendon player, Heppell denied that he and the other players deserved blame for their role in the so-called supplements saga.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/suspended-bomber-dyson-heppell-says-he-feels-let-down-by-essendon-for-drugs-saga-that-saw-suspension/news-story/c392044bf72996af9080362162dadc20
So basically he's saying that NOW he understands that the club did wrong.
LMAO.
The players were always going to turn $$$
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SUSPENDED Bomber Dyson Heppell says he feels “let down” by Essendon after seeing a year of his career taken away from him by a WADA suspension.
In the first wideranging interview with a suspended current Essendon player, Heppell denied that he and the other players deserved blame for their role in the so-called supplements saga.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/suspended-bomber-dyson-heppell-says-he-feels-let-down-by-essendon-for-drugs-saga-that-saw-suspension/news-story/c392044bf72996af9080362162dadc20
So basically he's saying that NOW he understands that the club did wrong.
LMAO.
The players were always going to turn $$$
Only cause he lost his sponsorships; adidas etc
Little bitch
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Bombs away: how much the Essendon supplements scandal has cost
James Hird's latest defeat in court – this time being slugged with a bill for $660,000 – is another chapter in a saga that could eventually cost more than $35 million.
(http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam/images/g/o/l/e/d/u/image.related.articleLeadNarrow.300x0.gol90t.png/1462321130806.jpg)
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-saga-heres-how-much-the-supplements-scandal-has-cost--so-far-20160503-gol90t.html
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The Essendon 34 has lost its appeal over the CAS anti-doping suspensions.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/essendon-34-lose-appeal-to-swiss-federal-tribunal-over-court-of-arbitration-for-sport-antidoping-bans/news-story/2618547cdba8dc4082835801c21bf4ad
Confirmation from players' legal representatives that the Essendon appeal of the CAS verdict has been unsuccessful.
Saga officially over.
https://twitter.com/sam_mcclure
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Now get the medal of the cheating druggo
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EAD
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Patience is a wonderful thing ;D
Said many times going back to when this whole saga began that they would go, is ASADA couldn't get 'emWADA would
And on 11/10/2016 they got 'em :clapping
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What about the medal Willy? Surely they can't let him hold
I have a feeling no one gets it for that year cause the afl are a corrupt bunch of flogs
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What about the medal Willy? Surely they can't let him hold
I have a feeling no one gets it for that year cause the afl are a corrupt bunch of flogs
As i posted on the other thread
Absolutely should be stripped of the medal
But i really dont care
The guilty verdict is the most important thing IMESHO . That's what peope will remember
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I'm sure even if they hand it to Cotchin his mrs will get involved and he will not accept it
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What good blokes :'(
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"I'm just shocked to be sitting here, yeah"
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I'm sure even if they hand it to Cotchin his mrs will get involved and he will not accept it
Misses Cotchin knows best
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Hasn't taken them long to become media darlings again.....
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Just wait for the season to start. Either they'll play well and we'll never hear the end of how good they are and their adversity or they'll play poorly and we'll still never hear the end of it with their excuses
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Just wait until next week and the "Medal Decision"
They will be front page again, will knock Donald off said front page ;D
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No show from Dank today.
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STEPHEN Dank's appeal against a lifetime sports ban has been adjourned until December 1 after the controversial sports scientist failed to attend a hearing of the AFL Appeals Board on Monday.
Dank sent an email on Sunday requesting his appeal be adjourned because a family member was in hospital with a life-threatening condition.
Despite submissions from the AFL and ASADA on Monday that Dank's appeal be dismissed, the Appeals Board adjourned the appeal to next Thursday on the condition Dank provided supporting documentation from his ill relative's hospital and treating doctor by Friday, November 25.
During Monday's hearing, counsel for ASADA, Patrick Knowles, said Dank had a history of non-compliance and despite being given "umpteen chances" by the Appeal Board was either not willing or didn't intend to appear at his appeal.
Knowles called for Dank's appeal to be dismissed for want of prosecution, urging the Appeals Board not to grant him "another indulgence".
Counsel for the AFL, Renee Enbom, submitted Dank's appeal should be dismissed on the basis of his continued failures to appear at hearings and meet evidentiary deadlines.
"There's no court in the state who would have tolerated the way Dank has conducted his case," Enbom said.
Enbom also said the 34 past and present Essendon players suspended for the 2016 season as a result of the 2012 supplements program overseen by Dank deserved some closure.
"It's time to bring this process to an end. Everyone, including the players, is entitled to some finality," Enbom said.
Dank was found guilty of 10 breaches of the AFL's anti-doping code in April last year.
He was subsequently banned for life from working in any sport in Australia or overseas by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal.
Dank's attempt to have the ban overturned had been scheduled for a three-day hearing at AFL House from Monday.
The appeals board issued a statement on Friday to clarify Dank's rights at the open hearing after a Fairfax Media report stated only written submissions would be allowed.
"The statement contained in the article that oral submissions (and by inference that oral evidence) would not be allowed at the hearing of Mr Dank's appeal is totally incorrect," the statement from board members Peter O'Callaghan QC, Murray Kellam AO and Geoff Giudice AO read.
"All parties shall be entitled to call and rely upon such oral or written evidence as is relevant and make such oral or written submissions as they consider appropriate."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-21/dank-set-to-face-appeals-board-over-lifetime-ban
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I'm not trying to show any support for that cretin but how can the AFL ban him from working in any sport here or OS?
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I'm not trying to show any support for that cretin but how can the AFL ban him from working in any sport here or OS?
I'm feeling too lazy to read the article. Did the AFL ban him or ASADA/WADA?
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I'm not trying to show any support for that cretin but how can the AFL ban him from working in any sport here or OS?
Exactly.
What a pack of self righteous wankers. Lol.
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The AFL is a signatory of WADA. ASADA is WADAs local arm. ASADA performed a joint investigation into the 34 players and support staff and these people were trialled under the AFL tribunal. Any guilty findings meant that they would be banned from any WADA affiliated sports anywhere in the world.
That's how the system works. It's got nothing to do with righteousness.
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Ok
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Surprise surprise ::)
Dank fails to prove 'medical emergency' after court absence
ABC.net.au
Fri 25 Nov 2016, 5:45pm
Disgraced sports scientist Stephen Dank has failed to supply evidence to prove the reasons for his absence from his appeal against a life ban for multiple doping offences.
Dank did not appear at Monday's hearing, claiming an urgent family medical emergency.
He had until 5:00pm (AEDT) on Friday to provide detailed evidence to support his absence but in a statement the AFL said no paperwork had been received.
The AFL appeals board will make a ruling on the non-submission next week.
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) and the AFL have both urged the appeals board to dismiss the case, which would finally draw the curtain on the long-running Essendon supplement saga.
Dank was handed a lifetime ban from all sports which have accepted the World Anti-Doping Code for his role in the 2012 supplements program at Essendon.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-25/stephen-dank-fails-to-provide-evidence-anti-doping-afl/8059342
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/mick-gatto-confirms-he-spoke-to-essendon-during-height-of-doping-scandal/news-story/aae885dbbcbcb438e9224c9d2922db33
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-09/gattos-take-footy-show-video-leaked
This Essendon saga is the gift that keeps on giving :lol.
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The saga that won't go away for Essendon :yep.
According to Barrett tonight, he's received a letter from Stephen Dank's solicitor stating Dank is seeking proceedings to overturn the decision and "clear his name" and is seeking to call anyone and everyone connected with the doping saga.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mark-bomber-thompsons-port-melbourne-house-raided-20180108-h0f5th.html
:shh
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Any unfounded speculation on what's going down?
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/footy-great-mark-bomber-thompsons-home-raided/news-story/64a1158159a41e2010cbe15f415cbdbb
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FSN just said he's since been arrested but then released without charge....
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you couldnt make this stuff up could you.
they really are a pathetic club.
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A TATTOOED man with alleged bikie links was staying at footy great Mark “Bomber” Thompson's home before it was raided as part of a drug trafficking investigation. Thomas Windsor, 28, had been in the absent Thompson's Port Melbourne apartment, receiving many visitors in the period before detectives ...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/footy-great-mark-bomber-thompsons-home-raided/news-story/64a1158159a41e2010cbe15f415cbdbb
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THE Essendon drugs saga will return to court just days before this month’s season opener, with human rights lawyer Julian Burnside, QC, leading a case brought against AFL chief Gillon McLachlan and former commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/human-rights-lawyer-julian-burnside-qc-to-lead-case-against-afl-chief-excommission-chairman/news-story/e8a9e69e80195ef98f4158fadaa152cd
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Hmmmm my my my
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/05/01/12/48/ice-pipes-ecstacy-found-in-bedroom-of-afl-legend-mark-thompson
Former Essendon footballer Matthew Lloyd says he’s worried about his former teammate Mark Thompson, following allegations made in court about the former Bombers coach.
Victorian police allege ice pipes and ecstacy tablets were allegedly found inside Thompson’s bedroom during a police raid on his home earlier this year.
Police allege Thompson’s DNA was found on packaging containing 33g of ice, 4.2g of amphetamines and an LSD tablet inside his locked bedroom.
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7 News Melbourne @7NewsMelbourne 11 minutes ago
BREAKING: Former AFL coach Mark 'Bomber' Thompson has been arrested and charged with seven counts, including trafficking ice and possession of LSD and ecstasy, following reported police raids on his home. Report on 7 News at 6.00pm. #7AFL #7News
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/991188241066803200
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#whatever it takes
or should that be intakes
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He took all of it....ALL OF IT!
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In a funny way I feel sorry for the guy. His life is over. His wife left, he's going to go to jail. He's a fool and deserving of punishment but we all do foolish things.
Look at Ben Cousins, the guy has a serious problem. Bomber probably does too, though we don't know the whole story. Sad for the guy even though he never fully admitted his part and was never truly repentant.
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It wasn’t me ..... it was Dank. :shh
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In a funny way I feel sorry for the guy. His life is over. His wife left, he's going to go to jail. He's a fool and deserving of punishment but we all do foolish things.
100% wont be going to jail on those charges.
Edit. Scratch that, the ecstasy found falls under a "large commercial amount". Max sentence is life and a 500k fine. Average sentance is around 12 years.
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someone on big footy says charges like that are to turn him into a witness. I'm not up to date with the workings of the criminal underworld but things look grim to me.
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Retired AFL commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick believes Essendon's supplements were "almost certainly performance enhancing".
Source [paywall]: Herald-Sun (https://t.co/oaqW04Lrf7)
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Lol at Essendon sacking Neeld. Lol at all the fans ringing in to SEN "finally that bums gone, now we can actually start playing some footy!"
They may well be the most deluded bunch Ive ever known.
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Lol at Essendon sacking Neeld. Lol at all the fans ringing in to SEN "finally that bums gone, now we can actually start playing some footy!"
They may well be the most deluded bunch Ive ever known.
:lol
Seems as though only Neeld, Worsfold and some other flog were the only coaches allowed to speak to the players, and all other ideas had to be funneled through those three :lol
Neeld, a great Richmond man, destroyed the Demons and now the Bumbers :lol
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First Knights -according to their fans- ruined them...now Neeld... :clapping :gotigers :clapping
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Slobbo on 360 sooking it up about Mike Fitzpatrick's interview on Open Mike where he said he was "pretty certain" Essendon took performance enhancing drugs and that an opposition player said to him at the time that "it seemed like they'd done five pre-seasons in over one" ..... "wa wa not good enough, weak arguement, based it on what some player from a rival club told him, still no concrete proof they did anything wrong waaaah..." haha the fat drunken fanboy flog... :tvhappy
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Slobbo on 360 sooking it up about Mike Fitzpatrick's interview on Open Mike where he said he was "pretty certain" Essendon took performance enhancing drugs and that an opposition player said to him at the time that "it seemed like they'd done five pre-seasons in over one" ..... "wa wa not good enough, weak arguement, based it on what some player from a rival club told him, still no concrete proof they did anything wrong waaaah..." haha the fat drunken fanboy flog... :tvhappy
Has the drunkard blob ever said his drug cheating “whatever it takes” lying club did anything wrong by injecting players? Has he ever questioned Hird on the text message correspondence to dank in relation to the drug injecting regime and his enthusiasm in relation to it? Or is it just the AFL’s fault because the AFL made them implement a rigorous drug injection program by someone who isn’t a doctor? Or was it the AFL’s fault that doc Reid let this occur & is still at the club as doctor? Has he ever blamed the club for ruining the careers of the players? Or was it just all the AFL’s fault?
How this bloke is chief football writer or a host of a footy related show is mind boggling.
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God the bummers denialists sicken me. Have some honesty. Just like druggo's they lie to themselves til they believe it.
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God the bummers denialists sicken me. Have some honesty. Just like druggo's they lie to themselves til they believe it.
They make me feel so much better about not being an Essendon supporter. God, love em!
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https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/05/18/12/54/afl-james-hird-meets-with-gillon-mclachlan
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/james-hird-s-car-stolen-during-toorak-home-invasion-20180518-p4zg5b.html
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Why is Hird involved with a push by QANTAS?
Honestly couldn't someone else from the club talk to the AFL. Go do something else James, become a gardener, grow roses.
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Why is Hird involved with a push by QANTAS?
Honestly couldn't someone else from the club talk to the AFL. Go do something else James, become a gardener, grow roses.
It's probably wrong but on the radio (SEN) yesterday they were saying there were like 3 consortiums bidding and somehow Hird was connected to a private one that wasn't Virgin nor Qantas (?).
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Why is Hird involved with a push by QANTAS?
Honestly couldn't someone else from the club talk to the AFL. Go do something else James, become a gardener, grow roses.
It's probably wrong but on the radio (SEN) yesterday they were saying there were like 3 consortiums bidding and somehow Hird was connected to a private one that wasn't Virgin nor Qantas (?).
Connection is Paul Little said Sam Edmund (HUN journo) on the SEN breakfast program yesterday morning. Said that Little has his own private hangar at Tulla and somehow QANTAS as part of their bid can get access to that hangar and it would mean players having access to it rather than the main terminal with us the public :huh3
Have to say it made little sense but interesting that QANTAS has thrown its hat in the ring again... what would be off more interest is if QANTAS get the gig again what happens to the 2 club sponsorship deals that Virgin have with GWS & Carlton.... deals are only in place because Virgin are the AFL's carrier ;D
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Why is Hird involved with a push by QANTAS?
Honestly couldn't someone else from the club talk to the AFL. Go do something else James, become a gardener, grow roses.
It's probably wrong but on the radio (SEN) yesterday they were saying there were like 3 consortiums bidding and somehow Hird was connected to a private one that wasn't Virgin nor Qantas (?).
Connection is Paul Little said Sam Edmund (HUN journo) on the SEN breakfast program yesterday morning. Said that Little has his own private hangar at Tulla and somehow QANTAS as part of their bid can get access to that hangar and it would mean players having access to it rather than the main terminal with us the public :huh3
Have to say it made little sense but interesting that QANTAS has thrown its hat in the ring again... what would be off more interest is if QANTAS get the gig again what happens to the 2 club sponsorship deals that Virgin have with GWS & Carlton.... deals are only in place because Virgin are the AFL's carrier ;D
Thanks WP. That makes more sense.
The AFL seems to make up sponsorship rules for conflicts as they go. Such as tomorrow, we'll have Telstra logos on the 50m lines at Optus Stadium.
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/watson-whacks-bombers-over-supplements-saga-20180523-p4zh2f.html
Jobe still thinks he's innocent and blames the club for negligence. This guy should never be involved in pro sports again. I am continually amazed at the lack of contrition of any of the people involved. I suppose belligerence makes a good footballer and brains don't have to be present.
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The Herald-Sun is trying to claim Essendon wasn't guilty and it was stitch up ::).
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/doping-ban-stitchup-asada-documents-cast-doubt-over-bombers-ruling/news-story/5a07b5d55a3506c43b98045fc3adea1f
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/fresh-concerns-over-evidence-used-to-help-convict-34-essendon-players-of-doping/news-story/42d40d9472bd952e0cd223c8cc1fc3cc
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The Herald-Sun is trying to claim Essendon wasn't guilty and it was stitch up ::).
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/doping-ban-stitchup-asada-documents-cast-doubt-over-bombers-ruling/news-story/5a07b5d55a3506c43b98045fc3adea1f
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/fresh-concerns-over-evidence-used-to-help-convict-34-essendon-players-of-doping/news-story/42d40d9472bd952e0cd223c8cc1fc3cc
This is the most nonsensically argument I have ever heard! Just because it wasn’t listed doesn’t mean it was permitted! The site even warns athletes of this.
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esSENdon & the The Herald -esSendUN
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Typical pathetic reporting by the HUN
Richard Ings former ASADA boss shot it all down in one tweet :rollin
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Total beat up. But I expect this story will linger for 20-30 years, such was it a boon for media types.
ASADA are not the arbiters of any lists that can pick and chose when to make drugs illegal. They are just administrators of the WADA code in Australia. If Essendon requested a list of the most up-to-date banned drugs under the WADA code in 2011, they would have seen a list with TB4 on it.
https://twitter.com/anti_doping/status/1184268956418244608
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Never-before-seen report: Bombers dysfunctional, Dank an ‘unguided missile’.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/bombers-dysfunctional-stephen-dank-an-unguided-missile-switkowski-report-found/news-story/44e6456974963105d4be2b98e1669159
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https://www.asada.gov.au/news/asada-statement-responding-media-reports
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In a book to be released later this month, Bombers champion Hird describes the events that saw him go from AFL coach to mental health patient in the wake of the Essendon 34 being banned for doping.
“There’s a lot of agendas and I’m extremely sorry for what I’ve done,’’ Hird said.
“Like, it’s horrendous what happened.
“I think the whole saga hurt so many people in so many ways.’’
The Brownlow Medallist and dual premiership star said he was shocked the players were suspended for a year by the Court of Arbitration for Sport for being injected with a banned substance.
“I still don’t think they took anything illegal,’’ he said.
Hird revealed he had not spoken to Dank since the scandal but said the sports scientist banned from the AFL for life and former high performance manager Dean Robinson “shouldn’t have been employed by our footy club’’.
“If Dean Robinson hadn’t been employed, none of that would have happened,’’ Hird said.
Hird said Essendon supporters had been “damaged greatly’’ by the scandal but the players sidelined fared worse.
“People say it hurt the game, and it did,’’ Hird said.
“But the lives of 34 young men were damaged, they were unfairly targeted,’’
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/new-book-reveals-hird-and-sheedys-views-on-drugs-scandal/news-story/0512becd6c0eb367c5d4a36909907f64
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https://www.asada.gov.au/news/asada-statement-responding-media-reports
Well that completely debunks Mick Wagner's article
Surely ends this sorry disgraceful cheated in AFL history
As for James Hird, still blaming others and not taking responsibility. Noth9ng new there either
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James Hird's father was on the Bolt Report last night.
More of Warner's article but no mention of the WADA media release
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Hird's father still running the conspiracy theory line ::).
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/allan-hird-essendon-debacle-still-has-the-power-to-astonish-me/news-story/4f7b66b24e7c2d13562b98358458b1f4
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendons-decision-to-give-david-evans-life-membership-angers-father-of-james-hird/news-story/2ded7c27035b747e750d5b1724f0e9b0
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/11/22/supplements-saga-left-bombers-players-scarred-for-life-goddard/
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8 years later and still in denial :facepalm.
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Lawyers for the AFL and Australian Sports Anti-Doping Association have agreed to share their Essendon doping investigation correspondence with former Test cricketer Bruce Francis, who is seeking exoneration for the 34 Bombers players who were suspended for breaching the WADA code.
The retired batsman has initiated the tribunal proceedings as part of a crusade to absolve the Essendon players, as well as former Bombers coach James Hird and sports scientist Stephen Dank, alleging that ASADA manipulated evidence to charge them with doping breaches.
Francis alleges that ASADA had insufficient evidence to charge Essendon players with the administration of Thymosin Beta-4, and that ASADA either lied in its November 3, 2014 presentation to the Anti-Doping Review Violation Panel about the evidence it had, or that the ADRVP were incompetent.
ASADA has strongly denied allegations of evidence manipulation.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-asada-to-share-essendon-drugs-saga-documents-after-tribunal-hearing-20210203-p56zaz.html
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Jobe’s Brownlow pain: Stripped medal is still mine
Jay Clark and Michael Warner
HeraldSun
17 September 2021
A defiant Jobe Watson says he never should have been stripped of the 2012 Brownlow Medal in a new Essendon documentary that lifts the lid on the club’s darkest days.
Opening up on the toll of the devastating supplements saga, Watson declared: “If I felt I had cheated, then I wouldn’t have accepted the medal in the first place”.
Asked whether he still feels he is the deserved winner of the 2012 medal later awarded to runners-up Trent Cotchin of Richmond and Hawthorn’s Sam Mitchell, Watson replied: “I feel like I am.”
“Whether or not someone else has it, or whether or not someone else views it that I wasn’t the deserved winner then that is fine.
“But it doesn’t change how I felt or how I feel about it.”
It is 10 years this month since the ill-fated supplements program began that would trigger the greatest scandal in Australian sports history.
Watson’s father, club great Tim Watson, said the “injustice” of the decision to strip his son of the Brownlow because of a doping ban was “like the final crushing thing about that whole episode”.
He said he “worried” about how his 36-year-old son would cope with the aftershocks of the saga “for the rest of his life” considering Jobe became “the face” of the scandal.
“I found that (handing back the Brownlow Medal) the most difficult thing, that you could have that taken away from you without there being any … I don’t believe real justification,” Tim Watson said.
“It has been a tough journey for him and, as a parent, it has been difficult at times to observe it close hand. Injustice is a very difficult thing for people to get over.”
Asked how he reflects on the experience, Jobe was adamant he had “forgiven” and “moved on” but said his overall emotion was “sadness”.
“It has been really challenging,” Jobe Watson said.
“I look back on it and wonder how I was able to get through it.
“It was such a drawn-out process and moved so much from one extreme to another and emotionally — it was just exhausting.”
Former Essendon chairman Paul Little, who likened the drugs saga to “a war”, said he hoped the 2012 Brownlow would eventually be returned to its rightful owner.
“I’m hopeful one day it will be reinstated,” Little said.
In an eight-part documentary series titled ‘The Bombers: Stories of a great club’, to be aired on Fox Footy and Kayo from October 19, former Bombers president David Evans speaks for the first time about the drugs scandal and admits mistakes were made in dealing with the saga.
“Some things in hindsight that you would have done differently, but there was no playbook for it,” Evans said.
“This was something that we were thrust into that there was no precedents.”
Evans led the fateful decision at the start of the saga that saw the Bombers “self-report” to the AFL and Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, triggering a five-year storm.
Coach James Hird said “what happened to Jobe was horrific”.
“I don’t believe anything they took (was) illegal,” Hird said.
“I certainly don’t believe that Jobe got any unfair advantage during that year and should definitely still have his Brownlow.”
Watson in 2013 opened up on the supplements program, saying “having that many injections was something I had not experienced in AFL football before”.
The late legendary club doctor Bruce Reid, who wrote a letter of complaint to club chiefs about the injections program, said Watson should not have been stripped of the medal.
“Jobe Watson should still have his Brownlow,” Reid said.
Essendon champion Matthew Lloyd said Watson had masked the pain.
“I’m sure that eats up at him, as much as he doesn’t show it,” Lloyd said.
Former coach John Worsfold said: “He was the one, even after the suspension happened, who was still trying to be (the) strongest and hold that group together, and be that leader.
“He was probably the one we felt was the most vulnerable to the big let-down.”
After a break from the game, Watson, a two-time All-Australian and three-time best and fairest winner, has returned to football in a special comments role with Channel 7.
Essendon chief executive Xavier Campbell said the whole drugs affair was “heartbreaking” and particularly unfair on Hird, who was a “really good person”, and Watson.
“He (Watson) was put in a really difficult position. That was unfair on him, it should never have happened. And that shouldn’t, and won’t, define Jobe Watson,” Campbell said.
Campbell said the club had sought closure on the saga.
“The Essendon network didn’t fracture,” he said.
“It could have (fractured) at so many different moments.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/essendon-documentary-jobe-watson-and-tim-watson-on-the-2012-brownlow-medal-as-bombers-lift-lid-on-supplements-saga/news-story/43170ad224b5e01023cee3d1472aa3dd
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its all about consequences Sonny
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An eight-part documentary is being released about the Essendon Football Club, including the events of Essendon's 2010s drug saga. 🍿
The documentary will be aired from October 19 on FOX Footy and Kayo Sports.
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https://www.facebook.com/AFLTRDON/posts/4555921234474480
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Fox Footy - what odds it's sympathetic to the Bumblers and a bunch of Essendon apologist crap...probably produced and presented by Slobbo & Sarah Jones... :shh
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Essendon’s greatest coach Kevin Sheedy says the AFL should apologise to the club, players and fans for how it handled the infamous supplements saga.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/kevin-sheedy-says-the-afl-should-apologise-to-essendon-over-its-handling-of-the-supplements-saga/news-story/77ce2c4680e703cfcd51ebfeb40c86d3
:facepalm
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True.
Because Demitriou tried to help them cover it up and the AFL wool a limp wristes approach hoping ASADA would stay out
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So they should get an apology for injecting players with goodness knows what, not keeping medical records, forcing their players to sign waivers, etc while still many deny Essendon did anything wrong ::). Take the red and black glasses off Sheeds.
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Saw the headline for the thread and thought it said Essendon face anal probe
Would be rather fitting if it was the case
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After 10 years it's still the gift that keeps on giving :lol. Robbo just can't let it go.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/architect-of-essendons-2012-supplements-program-insists-he-was-the-victim-of-a-set-up/news-story/f23a28ceba373b0340a6e56ed340b660
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/lastditch-bid-launched-to-clear-the-names-of-34-essendon-players-wiped-out-for-doping/news-story/faaed603bcb569749001f826cbc8387e
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/destruction-of-the-bombers-how-the-drugs-saga-ripped-the-soul-out-of-the-essendon-football-club/news-story/a04e679b40c518a37a8519c1985235b5