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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 06, 2013, 10:35:25 PM
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Footy Classified is airing a special first show back for the year tomorrow (Thursday) night at 9.30pm.
More explosive relevations to be revealed apparently although they always say that with Hutchy on the show and Barrett ferreting around to score scoops for him.
Matthew Lloyd has replaced Grant Thomas so he'll no doubt try to defend Essendon over this while Caro digs into the Bombers and the AFL.
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Thommo would be good value tonight. Hopefully Lordo isn't too defensive
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Thommo would be good value tonight.
Yep, he would have gone to town on Demetriou.
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... More explosive revelations from hutchy as he had a cocktail of sauces from maccas in his custom big mac, Caro does not want to sit near him tonight.
Meanwhile at the local tip, Damian Barrett has just completed renovations on his home
:shh
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... More explosive revelations from hutchy as he had a cocktail of sauces from maccas in his custom big mac, Caro does not want to sit near him tonight.
Meanwhile at the local tip, Damian Barrett has just completed renovations on his home
:shh
:lol
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More explosive relevations to be revealed apparently although they always say that with Hutchy on the show and Barrett ferreting around to score scoops for him.
Hutchy and Barrett were jabbed by some hyperdermics while crawling around in the bins behind Windy Hill...
They reveal the effects these needles have had on them.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s20/tiger_man_nemesis/HutchBarrett_zpsaefa6cc9.jpg)
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More explosive relevations to be revealed apparently although they always say that with Hutchy on the show and Barrett ferreting around to score scoops for him.
Hutchy and Barrett were jabbed by some hyperdermics while crawling around in the bins behind Windy Hill...
They reveal the effects these needles have had on them.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s20/tiger_man_nemesis/HutchBarrett_zpsaefa6cc9.jpg)
Hahaha :lol :clapping
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Quite a diplomatic bunch tonight. Get the knives out already.
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Sooooo, was there any "explosive revelations"?
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People really do love James Hird. No one on the panel tonight wants to believe he's stuffed up at all.
They had no problem getting into Bomber Thomson though, inferring that Bomber has too much influence and really runs things. It was embarrasing.
Skimmed over Hird's recently revealed previous association with a convicted drug dealer whilst he was still a player. Spoke about this for 20 seconds.
I've always admired Hird as a player. Was very jealous that we didn't have a player like him at Richmond. But as journalists they were very soft on him tonight.
Patrick Smith, as much as I dislike him, never let's up no matter who they are.
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why did they bother with the show
everything has already been discussed
within the media outlets.
did the Velvet Sledge hammer utter a word.
parrot loves himself to death, and Lying Lyon is
still the same, good to hear the Dees are going
to get their whack for tanking. :gotigers
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The only original news was Caro saying she believes Melbourne will be charged by the AFL along with Dean Bailey and Chris Connolly. She was unsure if Brendan Schwab would receive any punishment.
The rest of the show was just an overview of the whole Essendon saga and drugs in sport generally. The only thing Lloyd said was Dean Robinson had to go but he had that view due to all the soft-tissue injuries Essendon had before all this doping saga blew up. The rest of them took aim at Bomber Thompson (for bringing along Robinson and Dank to Essendon) and Essendon CEO Ian Robson as the buck stops with the CEO of any organisation. Lloyd said Thompson was a good coup to help Hird as coach but then agreed it's basically time for Hird to lose the training wheels after 3 years. They also mentioned talk of Bomber players suing their own club if it's found they were given banned substances despite being told the contrary.
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The only original news was Caro saying she believes Melbourne will be charged by the AFL along with Dean Bailey and Chris Connolly. She was unsure if Brendan Schwab would receive any punishment.
The rest of the show was just an overview of the whole Essendon saga and drugs in sport generally. The only thing Lloyd said was Dean Robinson had to go but he had that view due to all the soft-tissue injuries Essendon had before all this doping saga blew up. The rest of them took aim at Bomber Thompson (for bringing along Robinson and Dank to Essendon) and Essendon CEO Ian Robson as the buck stops with the CEO of any organisation. Lloyd said Thompson was a good coup to help Hird as coach but then agreed it's basically time for Hird to lose the training wheels after 3 years. They also mentioned talk of Bomber players suing their own club if it's found they were given banned substances despite being told the contrary.
Thanks :thumbsup
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Caro and Lloyd in the one show, no wonder Coach hasn't surfaced this morning
Probably stuck a cardboard cutout of Grant Thomas' head over Garry's and then away he went
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Caro and Lloyd in the one show, no wonder Coach hasn't surfaced this morning
Probably stuck a cardboard cutout of Grant Thomas' head over Garry's and then away he went
:lol
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:ROTFL
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Caro and Lloyd in the one show, no wonder Coach hasn't surfaced this morning
Probably stuck a cardboard cutout of Grant Thomas' head over Garry's and then away he went
:yep
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Footy Show's Facebook advertising this rot of a show mentioned Richmond rumours tonight ::) at least all the comments are along the lines of people would rather watch Disney channel for something more factual.
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It will just be Caro squashing any rumour. Then the heroes can mention her along with Jon Ralph in the talk of great journos shutting down any Richmond rumour.
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Lloyd does have a point about our top players as we got them for free as opposed to having traded for houli, grigg and maric showing they had value at their previous club.
Will it be something that backfires? Or will some of these new recruits stand up on their own?
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Good call? bad call?
Should Richmond get Neil Balme at Tigerland?
Good Call!
Just do it Tigers!
:gotigers
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Good call? bad call?
Should Richmond get Neil Balme at Tigerland?
Good Call!
Just do it Tigers!
:gotigers
Yes Caro did say good call but what else did she say or weren't you listening ;D
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Good call? bad call?
Should Richmond get Neil Balme at Tigerland?
Good Call!
Just do it Tigers!
:gotigers
Yes Caro did say good call but what else did she say or weren't you listening ;D
i been listening to her the last 5 years and most of it is garbage, so why would that be any different
GET BALME
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Good call? bad call?
Should Richmond get Neil Balme at Tigerland?
Good Call!
Just do it Tigers!
:gotigers
Yes Caro did say good call but what else did she say or weren't you listening ;D
i been listening to her the last 5 years and most of it is garbage, so why would that be any different
GET BALME
Because perhaps Caro knows that Balmey won't break a contract especially if he has just re-committed to one :)
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Got to love that Lloyd conveniently left out that we picked up four 18 year olds in the National draft and that most of the recycled players were either free agents or picked up as rookies. There's no guarantees in footy but at least get your facts right Matty. Btw Lloydy, we got Houli for nothing as well via the PSD because your beloved Bombers refused to accept our 3rd round pick for him. Once again Essendon showing they knew what they were doing in recent years :wallywink :lol.
ps. Had to laugh at Lyon trying to change topic away from talking about Melbourne's tanking yet Caro wouldn't shut up about it.
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Good call? bad call?
Should Richmond get Neil Balme at Tigerland?
Good Call!
Just do it Tigers!
:gotigers
Yes Caro did say good call but what else did she say or weren't you listening ;D
Do you believe everything Caro says as gospel?
KB believes he doesn't have a contract at Geelong. He's just a staff member and can quit anytime he wants.
We'll find out more today as he's in the SEN studio this morning. I'm sure KB will ask him about it. ;D
I hope Gale is doing all he can to get him over to punt rd
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Balmey-"Lets talk about the Drug issue"
Welcome back Balmey :thumbsup
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Good call? bad call?
Should Richmond get Neil Balme at Tigerland?
Good Call!
Just do it Tigers!
:gotigers
Yes Caro did say good call but what else did she say or weren't you listening ;D
Do you believe everything Caro says as gospel?
KB believes he doesn't have a contract at Geelong. He's just a staff member and can quit anytime he wants.
We'll find out more today as he's in the SEN studio this morning. I'm sure KB will ask him about it. ;D
I hope Gale is doing all he can to get him over to punt rd
Look I'd love to see Balme back at the RFC as head of the footy dept
Have no doubt the club will try and get him
But don't whack them if they don't get him, he has to want to come to the RFC and if doesn't he doesn't
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Good call? bad call?
Should Richmond get Neil Balme at Tigerland?
Good Call!
Just do it Tigers!
:gotigers
Yes Caro did say good call but what else did she say or weren't you listening ;D
Do you believe everything Caro says as gospel?
KB believes he doesn't have a contract at Geelong. He's just a staff member and can quit anytime he wants.
We'll find out more today as he's in the SEN studio this morning. I'm sure KB will ask him about it. ;D
I hope Gale is doing all he can to get him over to punt rd
Look I'd love to see Balme back at the RFC as head of the footy dept
Have no doubt the club will try and get him
But don't whack them if they don't get him, he has to want to come to the RFC and if doesn't he doesn't
Aaaaaah!. I missed it. Did anyone here KB ask Balme if he's coming to punt rd?
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Balmey-"Lets talk about the Drug issue"
Welcome back Balmey :thumbsup
Was this Balmey's response when KB asked??
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He stated when asked the question that he did not want to talk about it and if they kept persisting ( KB and Dave Colbert) he would up and leave the sudio"
Fwiw whether he is contracted or on staff at geelong he has an obligation to protect confidential matters and an obligation currently to geelong. Whether he considered an offer from another club he is currently with geelong and it does not look good to be talking or even joking about it with another prospective club.
Imo it would look poorly on his behalf, I think he has done the right thing by declining to comment.
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He stated when asked the question that he did not want to talk about it and if they kept persisting ( KB and Dave Colbert) he would up and leave the sudio"
Fwiw whether he is contracted or on staff at geelong he has an obligation to protect confidential matters and an obligation currently to geelong. Whether he considered an offer from another club he is currently with geelong and it does not look good to be talking or even joking about it with another prospective club.
Imo it would look poorly on his behalf, I think he has done the right thing by declining to comment.
He's a vault our Balmey. Just what we need @ Punt rd.
Vote 1 Neil Balme
:gotigers
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Didn't watch but Love Lloyd. Tells it how it is.
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No he doesn't. He's also a massive sook. And a wanker.
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Lordo not hitting hard enough and a bit too defensive of Essendon. Still early days but will never replace Thomo. He did have a point when he said we got all those players for free because no one else wanted to trade for them or waste of a pick in the ND
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No he doesn't. He's also a massive sook. And a wanker.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/yes/yesjacknicholson.gif)
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The velvet sledgehammer is a massive flog.
Caro made him look stupid.
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Lloyd made good points whether we like it or not we could have taken some kids instead and added to our depth of kids.
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He stated when asked the question that he did not want to talk about it and if they kept persisting ( KB and Dave Colbert) he would up and leave the sudio"
Fwiw whether he is contracted or on staff at geelong he has an obligation to protect confidential matters and an obligation currently to geelong. Whether he considered an offer from another club he is currently with geelong and it does not look good to be talking or even joking about it with another prospective club.
Imo it would look poorly on his behalf, I think he has done the right thing by declining to comment.
did he mention anything about dying for our sins, coz if hes got that planned again then we should look at someone with a long term future instead.
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Lloyd made good points whether we like it or not we could have taken some kids instead and added to our depth of kids.
We added 4 more kids to our depth or kids. Problem last season was when we had players go down with injury, we only had untried kids to call up to AFL level, and it cost us games.
With these players who have all played and in some games impacted at AFL level (Pettard, Lonergan, Edwards), at least we can call them into the side if someone goes down.
Put it this way, when Vickery went down in 2012, we had O'Hanlon to call up who had been in the AFL system all of 4 months. Still growing into his own body and inexperienced.
If the same was to happen again, we call in Edwards. No not a world beater by any stretch of the imagination, but in terms of getting a result, Edwards is a much much better option than O'Hanlon at this stage. O'Hanlon is for the future hopefully, Edwards can be the player so we dont go so far backwards in the scenario of injuries.
Same thing with when Foley went down, absolutely no one to call on. Lonergan would have been a god send as a replacement for him last season. Once again, I am not trying to say these guys are 'Cotchinesque', simply that when you need to win games, they are better options then 18yo kids who you just drafted.
People can mask the truth, and the fact is we took another 4 18 year olds at the draft table this off season. That is more than 60% of the other clubs. So what, our rookie spots our filled now with experienced players. In my opinion it is probably the smartest move the club has made in a long long while.
Rookie list is in my view the emergency/reserve list. Put guys on there that we have, that we now can compete against the bigger bodies if required.
My only problem with it, and I am sure we'll do this in future anyway is they could have got more mature bodies from state leagues, not just other AFL clubs.
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O'Hanlon was never a replacement for Vickery. Miller & McGuane played the support role, O'Hanlon is a half forward. Fact is you will only beat poo teams if you need to rely on blokes like Picky.R, Lonergan and Stephenson. Somehow they might help us to finals but she'll be ugly if we travel interstate for a final with those blokes strutting around
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O'Hanlon was never a replacement for Vickery. Miller & McGuane played the support role, O'Hanlon is a half forward. Fact is you will only beat poo teams if you need to rely on blokes like Picky.R, Lonergan and Stephenson. Somehow they might help us to finals but she'll be ugly if we travel interstate for a final with those blokes strutting around
He was a replacement for someone, should never have got game last season. McGuane is worse than O'Hanlon anyway, so moot argument.
Can look at Sydney as a perfect example. Everyone asked why they took Morton from us if he couldn't get a game here. Sydney and we know that Morton could impact at AFL level, despite his cons. They had an injury to McGlynn, and some others, and instead of calling on an 18yo to play in the GF, they had someone who cost them nothing, with AFL experience who was able to impact at the top level. Once again, not a world beater, but definitely did exactly what was expected, and in a GF.
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If O'Hanlon is better than McGuane then why didn't he kick more goals and play more games? So instead of playing O'Hanlon, Ricky Petterd might be the difference? ;D
Also, Morton poos on any of our players outside our best 22. He's still better than a number inside our 22
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If O'Hanlon is better than McGuane then why didn't he kick more goals and play more games? So instead of playing O'Hanlon, Ricky Petterd might be the difference? ;D
Also, Morton poos on any of our players outside our best 22. He's still better than a number inside our 22
can you explain why you think that :huh
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O'Hanlon was never a replacement for Vickery. Miller & McGuane played the support role, O'Hanlon is a half forward. Fact is you will only beat poo teams if you need to rely on blokes like Picky.R, Lonergan and Stephenson. Somehow they might help us to finals but she'll be ugly if we travel interstate for a final with those blokes strutting around
They're depth players.. not in the best 22 unless they pull their finger out Petterd does have talent though..
Why do you so critical of everything.. do you actually say anything positive
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If O'Hanlon is better than McGuane then why didn't he kick more goals and play more games? So instead of playing O'Hanlon, Ricky Petterd might be the difference? ;D
Also, Morton poos on any of our players outside our best 22. He's still better than a number inside our 22
can you explain why you think that :huh
Think what? Learn to address posts properly. If you're talking about O'Hanlon/Macca, clearly McG had more impact on games last year. I'm not a big fan but he was fairly serviceable in most games apart from a few stinkers. His output was actually a lot better than Ty Vickery who has basically become an injured champion the longer he's been out. O'Hanlon struggled to impact on games. Not unusual for a 1st year player. Right now McG is streets ahead.
If you're referring to Morton then I will explain my thoughts. He is a poo hot forward on his day. He was our best forward for a while. Anyone who says they don't believe Morton is in our best 22 is either BJ or a one of those supporters who can't admit players improve after their Richmond days. Morton is fit, he's playing with intensity and he's worked hard on his defensive effort. They were his problems at Richmond and those problems no longer exist. He is a good hit up forward
O'Hanlon was never a replacement for Vickery. Miller & McGuane played the support role, O'Hanlon is a half forward. Fact is you will only beat poo teams if you need to rely on blokes like Picky.R, Lonergan and Stephenson. Somehow they might help us to finals but she'll be ugly if we travel interstate for a final with those blokes strutting around
They're depth players.. not in the best 22
Yeah, no poo dude. Who said that wasn't the case? Do you think a clubs best 22 is fit for an entire season? Most clubs will play 30+ players during a season.
O'Hanlon was never a replacement for Vickery. Miller & McGuane played the support role, O'Hanlon is a half forward. Fact is you will only beat poo teams if you need to rely on blokes like Picky.R, Lonergan and Stephenson. Somehow they might help us to finals but she'll be ugly if we travel interstate for a final with those blokes strutting around
Why do you so critical of everything.. do you actually say anything positive
Awww. What have I been critical of? I've disagreed with you on Chaplin being an "A Grade defender with great leadership, great skills and decision making". I've grinned ;D when people squash Martin rumours by using Jon Ralph as a good source. I take the mickey out of Jack but if people have been reading over the journey then they know I believe he's a fantastic player. I've also had debates on Rancer but check last years OER Tiger of the year votes to see if I think he's a dud.
do you actually say anything positive
Wait until we lose a game. You will think I am a saint
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If O'Hanlon is better than McGuane then why didn't he kick more goals and play more games? So instead of playing O'Hanlon, Ricky Petterd might be the difference? ;D
Also, Morton poos on any of our players outside our best 22. He's still better than a number inside our 22
can you explain why you think that :huh
Think what? Learn to address posts properly. If you're talking about O'Hanlon/Macca, clearly McG had more impact on games last year. I'm not a big fan but he was fairly serviceable in most games apart from a few stinkers. His output was actually a lot better than Ty Vickery who has basically become an injured champion the longer he's been out. O'Hanlon struggled to impact on games. Not unusual for a 1st year player. Right now McG is streets ahead.
If you're referring to Morton then I will explain my thoughts. He is a poo hot forward on his day. He was our best forward for a while. Anyone who says they don't believe Morton is in our best 22 is either BJ or a one of those supporters who can't admit players improve after their Richmond days. Morton is fit, he's playing with intensity and he's worked hard on his defensive effort. They were his problems at Richmond and those problems no longer exist. He is a good hit up forward
O'Hanlon was never a replacement for Vickery. Miller & McGuane played the support role, O'Hanlon is a half forward. Fact is you will only beat poo teams if you need to rely on blokes like Picky.R, Lonergan and Stephenson. Somehow they might help us to finals but she'll be ugly if we travel interstate for a final with those blokes strutting around
They're depth players.. not in the best 22
Yeah, no poo dude. Who said that wasn't the case? Do you think a clubs best 22 is fit for an entire season? Most clubs will play 30+ players during a season.
O'Hanlon was never a replacement for Vickery. Miller & McGuane played the support role, O'Hanlon is a half forward. Fact is you will only beat poo teams if you need to rely on blokes like Picky.R, Lonergan and Stephenson. Somehow they might help us to finals but she'll be ugly if we travel interstate for a final with those blokes strutting around
Why do you so critical of everything.. do you actually say anything positive
Awww. What have I been critical of? I've disagreed with you on Chaplin being an "A Grade defender with great leadership, great skills and decision making". I've grinned ;D when people squash Martin rumours by using Jon Ralph as a good source. I take the mickey out of Jack but if people have been reading over the journey then they know I believe he's a fantastic player. I've also had debates on Rancer but check last years OER Tiger of the year votes to see if I think he's a dud.
do you actually say anything positive
Wait until we lose a game. You will think I am a saint
i agree with you on McGuane, Morton not so much.. i dont think he's improved much at all, still a downhill skier. Mitch has the skill but has no team ethos, with Mitch its all about Mitch. 5 goals in 5 games is not a great output even if he did kick 70 odd goals in the 2's. Which is a very poor league. Mitch got lucky, right place right time.
The comment about being critical was tongue in cheek
We need the footy back
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Wait until we lose a game. You will think I am a saint
:lol :clapping
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Problem last season was when we had players go down with injury, we only had untried kids to call up to AFL level, and it cost us games.
TOTAL CRAP.
Load of rubbish excuse made up by the football department (Cameron and Hardwick) to excuse the fact that our poor senior players have been there for years and have never been good enough as replacements.
When Vickery went down it was Graham, Browne and Derickx who were not good enough not Elton or Griffith.
When Foley went down it was White, Webberley, Connors and Nahas who were not good enough not Conca, Ellis or Helbig.
When Grimes went down we had no-one since Moore, Astbury and Griffith were injured or too young and thankfully Batchelor and Morris (two young players again) filled holes.
Just because Cameron or Hardwick say something doesn't make it the truth.
Try using some judgement and avoid given credence to self-serving excuses.
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bottom line they didnt have the players that could go close to stepping up when injury/suspension hit, mature or young
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Agreed al, but don't use the deflection of young players to excuse the fact that the senior players were poor recruiting decisions who were kept on the list and were not developed into what they should have been - mature players ready and able to fill the breach.
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TOTAL CRAP.
Load of rubbish excuse made up by the football department (Cameron and Hardwick) to excuse the fact that our poor senior players have been there for years and have never been good enough as replacements.
When Vickery went down it was Graham, Browne and Derickx who were not good enough not Elton or Griffith.
Total crap my behind, you've listed a bunch of spuds who never impacted games at AFL therefore backing my own point. Elton and Griffths show more than those 3, hence why 2 are gone with the other soon to follow. Elton, as promising as he is, is not ready for AFL level, so has as little impact as the others but 100 fold more upside. None of them were the answer (bar Griffiths who played well), but for different reasons. If Vickery was to go down again, instead of calling any of Gus, Browne, Derrickx or Elton (none of who could impact a game, Elton rightly so at the moment at 19), we now have Edwards who has actually played well at AFL level before. Regardless if you like him or not, he has more skill the Gus, Browne and Derrickx combined.
When Foley went down it was White, Webberley, Connors and Nahas who were not good enough not Conca, Ellis or Helbig.
I agree once again, hence Webbers and Connors gone. Not saying Conca, Ellis and Helbig won't be good enough, but they were all 2nd or 1st year players. They shouldn't have to take that load or be expected to produce Foleys output. This is why the inclusion of bigger experienced bodies is important, ones that once again have played and impacted games at AFL level, not guys like Webbers and Connors (goneski) and White who will be gone at years end.
When Grimes went down we had no-one since Moore, Astbury and Griffith were injured or too young and thankfully Batchelor and Morris (two young players again) filled holes.
and you nailed it here for me, this is exactly what I am saying. Lucky Batch, Morris and Griffiths (prior to injury) played well enough. Griffiths is big enough to play at AFL level and Morris is a mature aged player.
Your arguing something different to what I am. I am saying instead of calling on untried 18yo kids, we needed players who HAVE played at AFL level AND IMPACTED games, not the crap we have hoarded from prior DImma in Gus, Browne, Webbers, Post, Connors, Moore et al.
Pettard, Edwards, Lonergan, Knights and even Stephenson (lucky he and Cam Wood were all tat had played AFL) can at least be competetice when called in, which is something that the 'senior players' you listed could never do. I hardly consider those blokes senior, simply dead wood that couldn't even perform when they needed to. That's why it was left to our first and second year players, because we had no decent backup options. Now we do.
Just because Cameron or Hardwick say something doesn't make it the truth.
Try using some judgement and avoid given credence to self-serving excuses.
and just because they say something doesn't mean it's a cover up to some list clogging conspiracy. Try look at the situation and rationalize as to why they would do what they have now done with our rookie list (not even senior) as opposed to jumping up and down as if they drafted Hislop with our National Draft selection in place of a kid. Storm in a tea cup, and if you still can't see what I'm saying I guess we will agree to disagree.
To reiterate, I don't disagree our 'senior players' you listed were not good enough, they were absolute shizen. That's why they had to throw in our 1st and 2nd year players. At least now we have options if required that can actually fill the gap instead of throwing in the 18 and 19yo boys against men. Options that have shown something before, unlike last year.
Apologise if spelling is off, using an iPad.
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If O'Hanlon is better than McGuane then why didn't he kick more goals and play more games? So instead of playing O'Hanlon, Ricky Petterd might be the difference? ;D
Also, Morton poos on any of our players outside our best 22. He's still better than a number inside our 22
Surely your taking the pee, you'd delist O'Hanlon over McG would you? O'Hanlon will be twice the player that Luke is, at minimum I expect O'Hanlon will be able to kick a goal from 50cms out at age 25 after being in the system for 7 years.
Don't disagree with you on Morton, he is a class act on his day. Can also be worse than Nahas bout to kick on his left (or lack of) though too. Morton obviously has other issues which is why he is gone. BTW, he isn't a better player at Sydney then what he was at Richmond, exactly the same player, no better no worse.
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If O'Hanlon is better than McGuane then why didn't he kick more goals and play more games? So instead of playing O'Hanlon, Ricky Petterd might be the difference? ;D
Also, Morton poos on any of our players outside our best 22. He's still better than a number inside our 22
Surely your taking the pee, you'd delist O'Hanlon over McG would you?
How on earth have you come to the conclusion that I'd want to delist O'Hanlon over McGuane? McGuane played key forward last year and was reasonable for the most part. O'Hanlon played HFF and struggled. You said O'Hanlon came in as Vickery's replacement which is a blatant lie. McGuane quite clearly played the support role whereas Brett played in a completely different role. How you have translated that into "O'Hanlon should be delisted" has me stuffed.
If O'Hanlon is better than McGuane then why didn't he kick more goals and play more games? So instead of playing O'Hanlon, Ricky Petterd might be the difference? ;D
Also, Morton poos on any of our players outside our best 22. He's still better than a number inside our 22
O'Hanlon will be twice the player that Luke is, at minimum I expect O'Hanlon will be able to kick a goal from 50cms out at age 25 after being in the system for 7 years.
You don't know that. McG has played close to 100 games. O'Hanlon hasn't even had a mention in the best players at Coburg yet and he could quite easily get delisted in one or two seasons. I would hope not as he has some potential but he certainly hasn't shown anything that suggests he is a certain 100+ gamer.
If O'Hanlon is better than McGuane then why didn't he kick more goals and play more games? So instead of playing O'Hanlon, Ricky Petterd might be the difference? ;D
Also, Morton poos on any of our players outside our best 22. He's still better than a number inside our 22
Don't disagree with you on Morton, he is a class act on his day. Can also be worse than Nahas bout to kick on his left (or lack of) though too. Morton obviously has other issues which is why he is gone. BTW, he isn't a better player at Sydney then what he was at Richmond, exactly the same player, no better no worse.
Morton has a good non. Was watching a game from 2008 the other day where he took a nice mark, played onto his left and laced a leading forward with a beautiful 35 metre pass. It was against the Hawks early in the season but I can't mention the player who marked it as Willy says I talk about him too much ;D Also seen Mitch get onto that left and snap good goals with it.
Morton is a better all round player now. He was a liability at times defensively but he was very good with his efforts last season. He won't always have big games but he will be a much better player at Sydney if he continues with those efforts.
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I thought mitchy's defensive efforts were no better than his last year with us. His problems are still there. Would have got a game far earlier in the season had he actually improved there. Watched a bit of him in the reserves and he strutted around pointing at people and not chasing, laying soft tackles and blowing up after 30 seconds when made to play outside the f50. And I'm a fan ;D
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he strutted around pointing at people and not chasing, laying soft tackles and blowing up after 30 seconds when made to play outside the f50.
Who are you really talking about ;D
That's what I used to do back in the day.
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Is it? TV last game was R11, McG didn't play till R15 . . . OH played in R11, R12 etc. So whether or not he played the exact role TV did or not, he was more likely the replacement than McG. Was he a better replacement, no.
Obviously OH wasn't capable of competing at AFL level and making an impact straight away, McG did perform better, but that's to be expected based off experience etc. Doesn't change the fact McG is a spud.
The delisting comment was more to see who you think was better, extreme example yes. We know what McG gives and it isn't good enough unless we are up by 6-7 goals, that's when he will kick a few. OH hasn't done anything, but clearly has more skills than McG and a better footy brain. He'll be a better player. Delisted in 2 seasons or not, it speaks volumes of how poor our side was that McG is close to 100 games.
Morton still hasn't got a defensive game. Has a lot of talent, but seems to only go one way. If they can get him to improve his defensive work, then they'll have a player for their best 22. Until then he'll just be a backup option who will play in the event of injury. I guess he wont care either way as he was part of their GF win.
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Lloyd made good points whether we like it or not we could have taken some kids instead and added to our depth of kids.
1. Matt L is bias, and a wanker. Not very smart. Often he clearly display his lack of brain. If you are.on the roofs, maybe give dank $5000 fine.and everyone.moves on. Go dons
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2. My understanding is we took the most equal most 17/18 yoga out of any clubs.
3. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_AFL_Draft. Someone please go thou the.rookie draft. And find me the hidden gem kids were over looked
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Is it? TV last game was R11, McG didn't play till R15 . . . OH played in R11, R12 etc. So whether or not he played the exact role TV did or not, he was more likely the replacement than McG. Was he a better replacement, no.
Obviously OH wasn't capable of competing at AFL level and making an impact straight away, McG did perform better, but that's to be expected based off experience etc. Doesn't change the fact McG is a spud.
The delisting comment was more to see who you think was better, extreme example yes. We know what McG gives and it isn't good enough unless we are up by 6-7 goals, that's when he will kick a few. OH hasn't done anything, but clearly has more skills than McG and a better footy brain. He'll be a better player. Delisted in 2 seasons or not, it speaks volumes of how poor our side was that McG is close to 100 games.
Morton still hasn't got a defensive game. Has a lot of talent, but seems to only go one way. If they can get him to improve his defensive work, then they'll have a player for their best 22. Until then he'll just be a backup option who will play in the event of injury. I guess he wont care either way as he was part of their GF win.
Is anyone ever going to admit McG actually had a decent year? Not great, but decent?
The delisting comment was the stupidest thing I've ever seen on this forum. P.S O'Hanlon will be a spud
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Mcgaune was not decent
He was two or three / 10
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Is anyone ever going to admit McG actually had a decent year? Not great, but decent?
The delisting comment was the stupidest thing I've ever seen on this forum. P.S O'Hanlon will be a spud
McGuane having a decent year has to be the stupidest thing I've read on this forum. Enjoy watching 'decent' go :wallywink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POvvzqYZCD0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POvvzqYZCD0)
What's next? You going to tell me Hackson could walk into Hawthorns best 22 . . . would be one of the first 10 picked, 'Yeahright'. :help
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Is anyone ever going to admit McG actually had a decent year? Not great, but decent?
The delisting comment was the stupidest thing I've ever seen on this forum. P.S O'Hanlon will be a spud
McGuane having a decent year has to be the stupidest thing I've read on this forum. Enjoy watching 'decent' go :wallywink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POvvzqYZCD0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POvvzqYZCD0)
What's next? You going to tell me Hackson could walk into Hawthorns best 22 . . . would be one of the first 10 picked, 'Yeahright'. :help
Moments like those are what stopped him from having a good year, hence decent. Look your prattling on about some kid who barely gets a kick in Coburg reserves and thinks his better than Mcguane :wallywink
Lol man you make up some crazy situations in your head :help
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Can't wait till Caro dons the pilgrim nun outfit again.
Fascinating
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Problem last season was when we had players go down with injury, we only had untried kids to call up to AFL level, and it cost us games.
That is the post I responded to.
It says NOTHING about the bunch of spuds. Same as Cameron and Hardwick.
It ONLY talks about "untried kids". Same as Cameron and Hardwick.
BECAUSE it only talks about untried kids it absolves the club personnel who have recruited and KEPT the bunch of spuds who everybody admits (even you) are/were not up to the job.
The players recruited are DIRECT replacements for the bunch of spuds kept at the club waaaaaaaaay past their use by date if they were ever up to the job.
Total crap my behind, you've listed a bunch of spuds who never impacted games at AFL therefore backing my own point You NEVER mentioned them. That's MY point. Elton and Griffths show more than those 3, hence why 2 are gone with the other soon to follow. Elton, as promising as he is, is not ready for AFL level, so has as little impact as the others but 100 fold more upside. None of them were the answer (bar Griffiths who played well), but for different reasons. If Vickery was to go down again, instead of calling any of Gus, Browne, Derrickx or Elton (none of who could impact a game, Elton rightly so at the moment at 19), we now have Edwards who has actually played well at AFL level before. Regardless if you like him or not, he has more skill the Gus, Browne and Derrickx combined.
When Foley went down it was White, Webberley, Connors and Nahas who were not good enough not Conca, Ellis or Helbig.
I agree once again, hence Webbers and Connors gone. Not saying Conca, Ellis and Helbig won't be good enough, but they were all 2nd or 1st year players. They shouldn't have to take that load or be expected to produce Foleys output. This is why the inclusion of bigger experienced bodies is important, ones that once again have played and impacted games at AFL level, not guys like Webbers and Connors (goneski) and White who will be gone at years end.
When Grimes went down we had no-one since Moore, Astbury and Griffith were injured or too young and thankfully Batchelor and Morris (two young players again) filled holes.
and you nailed it here for me, this is exactly what I am saying. Lucky Batch, Morris and Griffiths (prior to injury) played well enough. Griffiths is big enough to play at AFL level and Morris is a mature aged player.
Your arguing something different to what I am. I am saying instead of calling on untried 18yo kids, we needed players who HAVE played at AFL level AND IMPACTED games, not the crap we have hoarded from prior DImma in Gus, Browne, Webbers, Post, Connors, Moore et al. HUH. That's exactly what I said. We needed AFL quality players and all we had was the hoarded crap. Why didn't we have AFL quality players on board already? Ahh yes, we didn't because of the "list clogging conspiracy".
Pettard, Edwards, Lonergan, Knights and even Stephenson (lucky he and Cam Wood were all tat had played AFL) can at least be competetice when called in, which is something that the 'senior players' you listed could never do. I hardly consider those blokes senior, simply dead wood that couldn't even perform when they needed to. That's why it was left to our first and second year players, because we had no decent backup options. Now we do.
Just because Cameron or Hardwick say something doesn't make it the truth.
Try using some judgement and avoid given credence to self-serving excuses.
and just because they say something doesn't mean it's a cover up to some list clogging conspiracy. Try look at the situation and rationalize as to why they would do what they have now done with our rookie list (not even senior) as opposed to jumping up and down as if they drafted Hislop with our National Draft selection in place of a kid. Storm in a tea cup, and if you still can't see what I'm saying I guess we will agree to disagree.
To reiterate, I don't disagree our 'senior players' you listed were not good enough, they were absolute shizen. That's why they had to throw in our 1st and 2nd year players. At least now we have options if required that can actually fill the gap instead of throwing in the 18 and 19yo boys against men. Options that have shown something before, unlike last year.
Seems like a backflip with pike to end up agreeing with me that the problem was poor mature replacement which meant we ONLY had kids.
The key point is - WHY did we only have kids? IMO because our drafting, development and list management were rubbish. IYO that's a list clogging conspiracy theory.
The poor mature players we had last year have been replaced by other mature players who in the main were let go by their previous clubs.
You presume they will be better than what we had, I'm more inclined to wait and see, considering past decisions that got us to last years situation.
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you can be pretty sure that if we had recruited more mature recruits in the last three years then hardwick would have been crucified for not taking kids.
The list was a disaster when he took over, and whatever path he took you could find criticism if you look hard enough.
Lack of depth can hardly be layed at the feet of the coach in his third year when he has given the list such a massive overhaul.
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Can't wait till Caro dons the pilgrim nun outfit again.
Fascinating
Is that the 'Amish' in drag look?
Geez those framed jowls take some foundation.....
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Can't wait till Caro dons the pilgrim nun outfit again.
Fascinating
Is that the 'Amish' in drag look?
Geez those framed jowls take some foundation.....
I'm salavating at the thought, wowee!! :shh
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you can be pretty sure that if we had recruited more mature recruits in the last three years then hardwick would have been crucified for not taking kids.
The list was a disaster when he took over, and whatever path he took you could find criticism if you look hard enough.
Lack of depth can hardly be layed at the feet of the coach in his third year when he has given the list such a massive overhaul.
I agree to a certain extent, al.
However just looking at last year - why keep White and Derickx?
A lot of posters don't think White or Derickx will be there next year so why not roll the dice.
If you wanted more mature players then you could have taken Hannath (psd) and Hartigan (R1 rookie) who are both 22 but not played AFL yet.
IMO White and Derickx are exactly the type of mature list cloggers we are talking about that were no use last year.
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Redan you are probably right re whitey and especially Derickx(although i love whiteys attitude).I just think our list has been heavily pruned the last 3 years and probably for team balance and team stability the list wasnt pruned anymore for now
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Good call Gigantour, I would agree with that.
The restraint in pruning late last year won't be shown this year imo
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white and derricks, two different cases.
white, one of the last senior mediocre players on the list. Along with mcguane, was constantly in the best players for coburg, which is why they held their spot on the list - they cant be all got rid of at once. last year when he came in ( and he earned that with performance at coburg) he was servicable, but then got suspended and injured and we saw the gulf to the next in line.
Derrickx missed a whole year of football, and my belief is that when that happens it often takes a season to get back to where the player was before the injury, which in his case was a WAFL player.
On any other list he probably would have got the arse. he was lucky to get another year and it is now a make or break year for him. I dont have a problem with that for the reason above and unlike others wont judge him on that one dropped chest mark.
you can sit back and say what about so and so, but you can never be sure that player will be available at the late pick you will use, if the club actually rates that player, and sometimes it is better the devil you know.
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Jeff kennet replacing caro tonight. Eff me gary lyon and ratboy are really pushing the brisbane lions scandal as such breaking news ::) lloyd also jumping in on the smokescreen action. ::)
Lloyd should stick to what he knows best... model in dimmeys catalogues
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Wonder if Caro told them to get stuffed?
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Caro back tonight.
Lloyd took issue with Hardwick talking about September at the Family Day. For a club that has been out of the finals for so long (12 years) they shouldn't be putting pressure on themselves once again talking about September. Hutchy laughed saying what do you expect Dimma to say at a Family Day - that we're going to fail. Lloyd said no but they should be focusing on the first 5 rounds not September. Hutchy was then asked where he thought Richmond would finish. He said despite himself famously being a bad tipper he had the Tigers finishing top 4. He then put up a graphic showing that if we had scored 15 points more per game then we would've finished 17-5 rather than 10-11-1. Richmond beat both grand finalists by 6 goals, lost only one game by 22 pts (the rest were close losses) and have added 8 more players to their depth this year. Caro replied that Richmond also lost to the Gold Coast and just beat GWS. She said she wanted to back up Lloyd as there's massive pressure on Richmond this year and if Hardwick doesn't get the Tigers into the finals there'll be massive pressure on him; he won't get a contract extension that's for sure even if Cotchin and Deledio are injured and out for the year.
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Caro back tonight.
Lloyd took issue with Hardwick talking about September at the Family Day. For a club that has been out of the finals for so long (12 years) they shouldn't be putting pressure on themselves once again talking about September. Hutchy laughed saying what do you expect Dimma to say at a Family Day - that we're going to fail. Lloyd said no but they should be focusing on the first 5 rounds not September. Hutchy was then asked where he thought Richmond would finish. He said despite himself famously being a bad tipper he had the Tigers finishing top 4. He then put up a graphic showing that if we had scored 15 points more per game then we would've finished 17-5 rather than 10-11-1. Richmond beat both grand finalists by 6 goals, lost only one game by 22 pts (the rest were close losses) and have added 8 more players to their depth this year. Caro replied that Richmond also lost to the Gold Coast and just beat GWS. She said she wanted to back up Lloyd as there's massive pressure on Richmond this year and if Hardwick doesn't get the Tigers into the finals there'll be massive pressure on him; he won't get a contract extension that's for sure even if Cotchin and Deledio are injured and out for the year.
Triangle mouth seriously has issues with our club
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Caro back tonight.
Lloyd took issue with Hardwick talking about September at the Family Day. For a club that has been out of the finals for so long (12 years) they shouldn't be putting pressure on themselves once again talking about September. Hutchy laughed saying what do you expect Dimma to say at a Family Day - that we're going to fail. Lloyd said no but they should be focusing on the first 5 rounds not September. Hutchy was then asked where he thought Richmond would finish. He said despite himself famously being a bad tipper he had the Tigers finishing top 4. He then put up a graphic showing that if we had scored 15 points more per game then we would've finished 17-5 rather than 10-11-1. Richmond beat both grand finalists by 6 goals, lost only one game by 22 pts (the rest were close losses) and have added 8 more players to their depth this year. Caro replied that Richmond also lost to the Gold Coast and just beat GWS. She said she wanted to back up Lloyd as there's massive pressure on Richmond this year and if Hardwick doesn't get the Tigers into the finals there'll be massive pressure on him; he won't get a contract extension that's for sure even if Cotchin and Deledio are injured and out for the year.
Triangle mouth seriously has issues with our club
Interesting comment. You were swinging form Lordo's nuts not long ago, now you're off the bandwagon.
Can see where he is coming from but I have no issues with what Hardwick said. Hutchy's on our bandwagon ;D Top 4 he reckons ;D Not sure about that but we will play finals ;D
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That was a good little discussion they had about us. Hutchy has been surprisingly upbeat about us for quite some time. At first I just thought it was to lift us up just to enjoy watch us fall but I'm now starting to believe he is genuine in his belief. Caro will never put her neck out and be optimistic about our chances even if she hopes it is true. Lloyd has never respected us as a club after smashing us so many times over his career. He is a very biased media analysis. He needs to learn to become more professional and leave his past behind him imo.
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Agree regarding Lloyd, Stripes. He's not very objective when it comes to some matters or clubs.
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He's just not very bright. Not that that has ever stopped ex-players pursuing a media career.
Not sure why he's not coaching Essendrug's forwards TBH, something he is probably qualified to do.
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Caro back tonight.
Lloyd took issue with Hardwick talking about September at the Family Day. For a club that has been out of the finals for so long (12 years) they shouldn't be putting pressure on themselves once again talking about September. Hutchy laughed saying what do you expect Dimma to say at a Family Day - that we're going to fail. Lloyd said no but they should be focusing on the first 5 rounds not September. Hutchy was then asked where he thought Richmond would finish. He said despite himself famously being a bad tipper he had the Tigers finishing top 4. He then put up a graphic showing that if we had scored 15 points more per game then we would've finished 17-5 rather than 10-11-1. Richmond beat both grand finalists by 6 goals, lost only one game by 22 pts (the rest were close losses) and have added 8 more players to their depth this year. Caro replied that Richmond also lost to the Gold Coast and just beat GWS. She said she wanted to back up Lloyd as there's massive pressure on Richmond this year and if Hardwick doesn't get the Tigers into the finals there'll be massive pressure on him; he won't get a contract extension that's for sure even if Cotchin and Deledio are injured and out for the year.
Triangle mouth seriously has issues with our club
Interesting comment. You were swinging form Lordo's nuts not long ago, now you're off the bandwagon.
Can see where he is coming from but I have no issues with what Hardwick said. Hutchy's on our bandwagon ;D Top 4 he reckons ;D Not sure about that but we will play finals ;D
Don't get me wrong I loved Llordo as a player. Lead, mark and goal etc etc and I respect his opinion 99.9% of the time but not when he says Essendon will make it and we won't.
He's got absolutely nothing to back that prediction up except for his bias. Having said that I'd still have him at the RFC as a forwards coach in a heartbeat.
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Caro back tonight.
Lloyd took issue with Hardwick talking about September at the Family Day. For a club that has been out of the finals for so long (12 years) they shouldn't be putting pressure on themselves once again talking about September. Hutchy laughed saying what do you expect Dimma to say at a Family Day - that we're going to fail. Lloyd said no but they should be focusing on the first 5 rounds not September. Hutchy was then asked where he thought Richmond would finish. He said despite himself famously being a bad tipper he had the Tigers finishing top 4. He then put up a graphic showing that if we had scored 15 points more per game then we would've finished 17-5 rather than 10-11-1. Richmond beat both grand finalists by 6 goals, lost only one game by 22 pts (the rest were close losses) and have added 8 more players to their depth this year. Caro replied that Richmond also lost to the Gold Coast and just beat GWS. She said she wanted to back up Lloyd as there's massive pressure on Richmond this year and if Hardwick doesn't get the Tigers into the finals there'll be massive pressure on him; he won't get a contract extension that's for sure even if Cotchin and Deledio are injured and out for the year.
Triangle mouth seriously has issues with our club
Interesting comment. You were swinging form Lordo's nuts not long ago, now you're off the bandwagon.
Can see where he is coming from but I have no issues with what Hardwick said. Hutchy's on our bandwagon ;D Top 4 he reckons ;D Not sure about that but we will play finals ;D
Don't get me wrong I loved Llordo as a player. Lead, mark and goal etc etc and I respect his opinion 99.9% of the time but not when he says Essendon will make it and we won't.
He's got absolutely nothing to back that prediction up except for his bias. Having said that I'd still have him at the RFC as a forwards coach in a heartbeat.
:thumbsup
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just because someone is a good player doesnt mean they can coach.
Naturally gifted players who are are not so smart like Lloydy often make poor coaches.
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just because someone is a good player doesnt mean they can coach.
Naturally gifted players who are are not so smart like Lloydy often make poor coaches.
To be fair to Lloydy, he is a naturally gifted footballer who is borderline wacko so I'm not sure he is going to be good at anything that involves thinking.
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just because someone is a good player doesnt mean they can coach.
Naturally gifted players who are are not so smart like Lloydy often make poor coaches.
Bit of poppycock there I reckon. Lloydy kicked 900+ goals. I reckon he'd be a great guy to work with if you are a young forward needing advice. What wisdom does Mark Melbourne Williams have?
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just because someone is a good player doesnt mean they can coach.
Naturally gifted players who are are not so smart like Lloydy often make poor coaches.
Bit of poppycock there I reckon. Lloydy kicked 900+ goals. I reckon he'd be a great guy to work with if you are a young forward needing advice. What wisdom does Mark Melbourne Williams have?
Tim Watson says hi.
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just because someone is a good player doesnt mean they can coach.
Naturally gifted players who are are not so smart like Lloydy often make poor coaches.
Bit of poppycock there I reckon. Lloydy kicked 900+ goals. I reckon he'd be a great guy to work with if you are a young forward needing advice. What wisdom does Mark Melbourne Williams have?
This. Pretty sure Highpants who was all about routine could teach a bloke how to improve his goal kicking. Why does every coach have to be some sort of tactitian? Not enough skills coaches anymore.
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just because someone is a good player doesnt mean they can coach.
Naturally gifted players who are are not so smart like Lloydy often make poor coaches.
Bit of poppycock there I reckon. Lloydy kicked 900+ goals. I reckon he'd be a great guy to work with if you are a young forward needing advice. What wisdom does Mark Melbourne Williams have?
Tim Watson says hi.
Hi Tim. Did you kick 900 goals and work with a club as a specialist forward coach? Or did you fail as a senior head coach ?
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"Naturally gifted players who are are not so smart like Lloydy often make poor coaches."
"Bit of poppycock there I reckon."
Tim still says hi. And so do Bernie Quinlan, Gary Buckenara, Matthew Primus, Royce Hart, Peter Knights, Tony Shaw and Ken Judge.
A coach is a coach, Coach. :)
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If you look through the good coaches, there is as many, if not more that were battlers/honest toilers as players rather than naturally gifted players Malthouse, hafey and sheedy come to mind as examples
To be a good coach you need to have an understanding of the game, be a good communicator, a good motivator and need to be able to relate to the players for whom things just dont come naturally.
Being naturally gifted as a player does not necessary mean you will have these attributes, and if you are a simplton then it makes it less likely you would be a good coach.
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Nuggety half-backs do all right ;)
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You blokes are talking about senior coaches. Lordo is a smart bloke. He'd also be good working with forwards.
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an assistant coach still needs the attributes I mentioned though.
My suspicion here is that our point of difference is not so much as to what makes a good coach, but as to whether llyody has those attributes.