One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on May 26, 2013, 09:16:37 AM
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We are worse than any club I the comp, we have no guts, pride, self belief, nothing. We will never change, we are the laughing stock of the AFL!
I am so close to walking away from this club and game.....
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crap club.
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Have to agree we are weak and gutless but you have to explain why. for me the weakness and the gutlessness comes from never finishing a rebuild never truly doing the job properly. Hardwick is at fault not because he is outcoached or anything he is at fault because he promised no short cuts, he promised a full rebuild and instead we have recycled city. Should have just stuck to taking kids in the draft he would have more time given to him but he has fallen for what every other Richmond coach has fallen for in the past - wanting success to quickly and getting in rejects, second playing favorites like Jackson etc and 3rd not getting rid of players that have been at the club for years and never achieved anything in terms of team success. These things will do to Hardwicks career what they did to every Richmond coach over the last 30 years - it will destroy his coaching career and kill it off in it tracks. Dimmas a good bloke but the mistakes are now starting to tally up.
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Have to agree we are weak and gutless but you have to explain why. for me the weakness and the gutlessness comes from never finishing a rebuild never truly doing the job properly. Hardwick is at fault not because he is outcoached or anything he is at fault because he promised no short cuts, he promised a full rebuild and instead we have recycled city. Should have just stuck to taking kids in the draft he would have more time given to him but he has fallen for what every other Richmond coach has fallen for in the past - wanting success to quickly and getting in rejects, second playing favorites like Jackson etc and 3rd not getting rid of players that have been at the club for years and never achieved anything in terms of team success. These things will do to Hardwicks career what they did to every Richmond coach over the last 30 years - it will destroy his coaching career and kill it off in it tracks. Dimmas a good bloke but the mistakes are now starting to tally up.
Do I really ave to explain why? It's obvious, I just can't believe it, I am really peeed with this loss. I just don't know anymore, why should we put our heart and sole into something that the players don't.
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But Ramps we are bringing in kids when we can, you can't expect 6 good kids a draft and we are basically getting one or two each year. He's been here 4 years so he has between 5 and 8 good players with real AFL potential. And he inherited 2 or 3. The rest of the list is just passable AFL players, most of our holes have been filled.
Its got a lot to do with our underfunding recruiting for years and the massively compromised drafts of the last 4 years, you probably had to outspend other clubs to get a better result in the draft and we didn't have the cash. Spend average get average. Geelong are flukes or are doing something that everyone else doesn't know about.
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breaking a cycle of mediocrity is a difficult exercise and it becomes harder as every generation struggles harder to achieve it. Richmond needs to recruit "A grade players". Carlton were a rabble - they got Judd and became finals contenders. Richmond were a rabble and got the likes of Houli and Grigg and Maric and Knights and Chaplin etc. These boys are great lads but they aint gonna ever lift us into contention. Judd put Carlton into contention and they will play finals again.
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Our jumper: Discipline, Awareness, Belief, Desperate.
I didn't see it, I don't believe it an neither do the players.
As supporters we've been taken for a ride.
We've been lied to, deceived and misled.
"If you can't win your own ball, you won't play for this jumper"
"We won't be gifting games to anyone"
"We want to play finals"
Buuuuulllllllllssssssssshhhhhhiiiiiiiittttt!!!!!!!
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Also after this year you would expect he gets rid of the final lot of so so players that got recruited under the Wallace era and some of the so so players he has recruited. The list ought to be better next year again, but its been very hard for average teams to build a critical mass of good players during this period.
North have struggled, Port, Carlton have struggled too and they have had the cash, Geelong got theirs before this period and have only been topping up. Essendon got the a number of theirs before this period, Hurley, Zaha 2008 etc and 5 years in are now showing the results.
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breaking a cycle of mediocrity is a difficult exercise and it becomes harder as every generation struggles harder to achieve it. Richmond needs to recruit "A grade players". Carlton were a rabble - they got Judd and became finals contenders. Richmond were a rabble and got the likes of Houli and Grigg and Maric and Knights and Chaplin etc. These boys are great lads but they aint gonna ever lift us into contention. Judd put Carlton into contention and they will play finals again.
All those players are hole fillers, all of them. Upgrading from poor to average. yes they wont get you a premiership but they will and did improve our list. Versus some kid drafted at 90 who clogs your list for 2 years and gets dropped.
Carlton also have a lot of cash to spend, where the 75 3 0 plan and the fighting tiger fund comes in. We need more cash, if you've got a spare million or two lying around doing nothing the club could do with it.
I haven't looked but I bet the likes of Essendon and Carlton outspend us by 5 million or so a year.
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breaking a cycle of mediocrity is a difficult exercise and it becomes harder as every generation struggles harder to achieve it. Richmond needs to recruit "A grade players". Carlton were a rabble - they got Judd and became finals contenders. Richmond were a rabble and got the likes of Houli and Grigg and Maric and Knights and Chaplin etc. These boys are great lads but they aint gonna ever lift us into contention. Judd put Carlton into contention and they will play finals again.
All those players are hole fillers, all of them. Upgrading from poor to average. yes they wont get you a premiership but they will and did improve our list. Versus some kid drafted at 90 who clogs your list for 2 years and gets dropped.
Carlton also have a lot of cash to spend, where the 75 3 0 plan and the fighting tiger fund comes in. We need more cash, if you've got a spare million or two lying around doing nothing the club could do with it.
I haven't looked but I bet the likes of Essendon and Carlton outspend us by 5 million or so a year.
whats the point of bringing in any player if they cant help you win a flag or put you into a position of winning a flag?
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breaking a cycle of mediocrity is a difficult exercise and it becomes harder as every generation struggles harder to achieve it. Richmond needs to recruit "A grade players". Carlton were a rabble - they got Judd and became finals contenders. Richmond were a rabble and got the likes of Houli and Grigg and Maric and Knights and Chaplin etc. These boys are great lads but they aint gonna ever lift us into contention. Judd put Carlton into contention and they will play finals again.
All those players are hole fillers, all of them. Upgrading from poor to average. yes they wont get you a premiership but they will and did improve our list. Versus some kid drafted at 90 who clogs your list for 2 years and gets dropped.
Carlton also have a lot of cash to spend, where the 75 3 0 plan and the fighting tiger fund comes in. We need more cash, if you've got a spare million or two lying around doing nothing the club could do with it.
I haven't looked but I bet the likes of Essendon and Carlton outspend us by 5 million or so a year.
Everything you say may be true but when you look at Geelong everything you say is not so true.
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Playing Nahas and Lonergan doesn't help Dimmas cause or his credibility
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Playing Nahas and Lonergan doesn't help Dimmas cause or his credibility
Agree would rather see a kid in their place than these two
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Once again let down again in a big game by our so called A grade mids in downhill skiers Cotch,Lids and Martin along with sooky la la Jack and Softasbutter Vickery
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Once again let down again in a big game by our so called A grade mids in downhill skiers Cotch,Lids and Martin along with sooky la la Jack and Softasbutter Vickery
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WAT, surely Hardwick needs to be gone at the end of the year?
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WAT, surely Hardwick needs to be gone at the end of the year?
One more year for mine, then we must get a recognised coach, we must get Roos or pull off a left field coup like the Dockers did with Lyon. Would love Worsfold!!!
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Need to work hard on that gap between our worst and our best
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We are going to get Wayne Campbell as coach and after another five year plan with a finish of 9th and a few years where we bottomed right out we will be back to where we were when .... I guess Robert Walls took over the job. Malakies
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Some of you guys make me laugh when are you going to start making money against our organisation. I ain't a big punter maybe 1k a year across all sports but I have a wry smile each time I go to collect on big games we play.
We have really only beaten the same teams as we did in 2012, with blues the only exception
How have we improved?
Maric has been woeful this year, Grigg is a disgrace and Nahas getting selected was the final straw.
Hardwick has dug himself into a hole and now can't turn back. He went down the recycling route and it will make or break him. I fear his career will be over this year not next. Why I say that is forget 2014 if we can't make finals this yr. Media pressure will be massive and we will no doubt fail.
It's absolute criminal that players arent earning their guernsey. I've been a long time supporter of hardwick but I can no longer see his vision when Grigg, Nahas and Jackson are in our best 22 come match day
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It's inherent in the walls and on the floors it's everywhere at Punt Rd Oval. It is called mediocrity.
It's called get finals you get respect but we can't even get there so the cycle of half jobs done, half rebuilds, half arsed approaches continues until the coach falls on his sword or his contract expires.
It's been happening for years and we have become like a St Kilda or Bulldogs worse actually St Kilda of early VFL days where winning was seen as an achievement not making finals or GF.
58000 members looks like have bought memberships and donated to FTF fund for a side whose half as good as anybody else and deals in alf measures.
Us the fans give 100% the club has opted for a half rebuild with cheating of cheap pick ups and half skilled efforts of blokes who were rejected originally by their parent clubs.
The coach is adopting these measures to save his job at the least or at the most getting RFC to finals in this day and age even with half measures is akin to coaching any other club to a GF. Looks great on a resume and has industry credence.not many have coached a winning GF side in the modern era even fewer have coached RFC to finals.
We are no different to where we were 15 years ago under the now coach of the umpires. Scary isn't it.
No it's not scary it's RFC Malakies.
That is why we are stuffed.
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What poos me is the way the AFL will bend over backwards to assist the Melbourne crooks while we have wallowed in the bottom reaches of the ladder for 30 years as the worst performed club in that time. Our continuing membership numbers has been taken for granted year in year out.
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Statistically in terms of coaching it is easier to coach an AFL premiership side than to get RFC to the finals. :help
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We wait and wait.
We hear, "Be patient" over & over.
We get told the same poo year after year.
We want toughness but they're too young still.
We want fight but they're too young still.
We want finals but they're too young still.
I've had high expectations on Hardwick.
He's done a good job under the circumstances but we are still waiting.
So what am I waiting for?
Fight: we fight and fight to win. Never beaten.
Tough: a kill or be killed mentality.
Strength: not easily pushed around we don't take poo from anyone.
Under Hardwick we've been patiently waiting for this as he's done a complete list turn over but this current crop aren't young anymore.
I would've thought by now we'd see some serious fight!
The players have all that's required to be the best they can be but we are still waiting.
Great facilities but we're still waiting.
Great support network but we are still waiting.
Great supporters base but we are still waiting.
I thought Hardwick was going to demand players to play as he played. Hard, tough uncompromising footy. We hear the same lies again & again but with every year we miss finals, with every big game defeat, with every disappointing let down, he is digging his own grave.
I really like Hardwick but give me a coach that gives us results and doesn't talk the same poo over & over. Give me a coach that does exactly what he says he going to do.
Give me a coach that hates mediocrity and demand success.
Give me a coach that doesn't except anything less than the best.
I want that coach. A coach that will take us to the promise land.
I'm starting to seriously doubt that Hardwick can do it.
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It's inherent in the walls and on the floors it's everywhere at Punt Rd Oval. It is called mediocrity.
It's called get finals you get respect but we can't even get there so the cycle of half jobs done, half rebuilds, half arsed approaches continues until the coach falls on his sword or his contract expires.
It's been happening for years and we have become like a St Kilda or Bulldogs worse actually St Kilda of early VFL days where winning was seen as an achievement not making finals or GF.
58000 members looks like have bought memberships and donated to FTF fund for a side whose half as good as anybody else and deals in alf measures.
Us the fans give 100% the club has opted for a half rebuild with cheating of cheap pick ups and half skilled efforts of blokes who were rejected originally by their parent clubs.
The coach is adopting these measures to save his job at the least or at the most getting RFC to finals in this day and age even with half measures is akin to coaching any other club to a GF. Looks great on a resume and has industry credence.not many have coached a winning GF side in the modern era even fewer have coached RFC to finals.
We are no different to where we were 15 years ago under the now coach of the umpires. Scary isn't it.
No it's not scary it's RFC Malakies.
That is why we are stuffed.
Exactly Right Tucker's. :thumbsup
You can paint over the poo stained walls of mediocrity all you like and feel all warm and fuzzy because it looks nice and smells fresh but eventually the poo smell comes back to haunt you.
Someone has to have the balls to eradicate mediocrity, not with a new coat of paint but to smash the walls of mediocrity down. Take all the rubble and give it a dose of napalm. Then get a high powered vacuum to suck up every speck of dust. Then they need to get some industrial strength NASA approved disinfectant and give it a good old fashioned scrubbing.
Once all that's done and your sure all remnants of mediocrity is gone you can then rebuild properly.
I've been hoping that Hardwick was that guy but with his decisions this year I've lost complete faith in him and his "look, no doubt" rubbish.
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Have to agree we are weak and gutless but you have to explain why. for me the weakness and the gutlessness comes from never finishing a rebuild never truly doing the job properly. Hardwick is at fault not because he is outcoached or anything he is at fault because he promised no short cuts, he promised a full rebuild and instead we have recycled city. Should have just stuck to taking kids in the draft he would have more time given to him but he has fallen for what every other Richmond coach has fallen for in the past - wanting success to quickly and getting in rejects, second playing favorites like Jackson etc and 3rd not getting rid of players that have been at the club for years and never achieved anything in terms of team success. These things will do to Hardwicks career what they did to every Richmond coach over the last 30 years - it will destroy his coaching career and kill it off in it tracks. Dimmas a good bloke but the mistakes are now starting to tally up.
:bow :bow :clapping :clapping
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Since 2001 our last finals appearance
9 coaches have taken their teams to a flag out of 43 blokes who have coached. 20.93% success rate.
RFC success rate 0/3 = 0%
Adelaide 9 finals campaigns
Brisbane 5
Carlton 3
Collingwood 9
Essendon 5
Fremantle 4
Geelong 8
Hawthorn 5
Melbourne 4
North Melb 5
Port 5
Richmond Malakies
St.Kilda 7
Sydney 9
West Coast 8
W Bulldogs 4
It is easier to coach a premiership side according to these facts than to take Richmond to a finals campaign.
The club is stuffed with these half measures.
Anyone seen Charlie and the Chocolate Factory 1971?
There is a Slugworth character within RFC poisoning the players coaches everyone. As soon as they come to the club the poisoning begins.
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Hmmmmm
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ha ha wa tiger...shame shame shame
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Since 2001 our last finals appearance
9 coaches have taken their teams to a flag out of 43 blokes who have coached. 20.93% success rate.
RFC success rate 0/3 = 0%
Adelaide 9 finals campaigns
Brisbane 5
Carlton 3
Collingwood 9
Essendon 5
Fremantle 4
Geelong 8
Hawthorn 5
Melbourne 4
North Melb 5
Port 5
Richmond Malakies
St.Kilda 7
Sydney 9
West Coast 8
W Bulldogs 4
It is easier to coach a premiership side according to these facts than to take Richmond to a finals campaign.
The club is stuffed with these half measures.
Anyone seen Charlie and the Chocolate Factory 1971?
There is a Slugworth character within RFC poisoning the players coaches everyone. As soon as they come to the club the poisoning begins.
:clapping
Fineceyes with tge glasses, leather coat and gloves :whistle
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When I started this thread it was justifiable, get over yourselves....
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So far our worst performance, see how we go round 23
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ha ha wa tiger...shame shame shame
lmfao quality bump
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ha ha wa tiger...shame shame shame
lmfao quality bump
Yep...home brand quality.
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:lol
pay that one
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Hey WAT do you enjoy the rollercoasters at amusement parks?
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When I started this thread it was justifiable, get over yourselves....
C'mon mate, right now you look like a goose just man up and admit it. Give it a couple of weeks you can bump it again and tell everyone I told you so - it's the OER Circle of Life can you feel it?
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breaking a cycle of mediocrity is a difficult exercise and it becomes harder as every generation struggles harder to achieve it. Richmond needs to recruit "A grade players". Carlton were a rabble - they got Judd and became finals contenders. Richmond were a rabble and got the likes of Houli and Grigg and Maric and Knights and Chaplin etc. These boys are great lads but they aint gonna ever lift us into contention. Judd put Carlton into contention and they will play finals again.
All those players are hole fillers, all of them. Upgrading from poor to average. yes they wont get you a premiership but they will and did improve our list. Versus some kid drafted at 90 who clogs your list for 2 years and gets dropped.
Carlton also have a lot of cash to spend, where the 75 3 0 plan and the fighting tiger fund comes in. We need more cash, if you've got a spare million or two lying around doing nothing the club could do with it.
I haven't looked but I bet the likes of Essendon and Carlton outspend us by 5 million or so a year.
whats the point of bringing in any player if they cant help you win a flag or put you into a position of winning a flag?
sorry ramps for bringing up such an old post.
i reckon it has been shown you dont just draft kids to build a list.
every side goes thru a value add phase take robbie nahas for instance. he improved the list but as the list has developed and improved robbie has become superfluous to needs so we now need to upgrade on him or value add again and get a better version of nahas a version we may well need to upgrade on again. its about list improvement over time and you sure as hell cannot do it with just kids.
heres a sliding door moment for ya. we take michael barlow a state league player as a rookie in 2010 instead of robbie hicks a kid. the same draft we take podsiadlly instead of relton roberts.
mate there is nothing wrong with targeting and taking mature recruits so long as you do it on the cheap. ya know pods and barlow like others was there for all to see. they ticked some pretty simple criteria.
should sydney not have gone after josh kennedy and mcglyn two players from afl lists who before the trade would have been labelled battlers by most.
its not if you should take mature players but where and at what cost and where are they at as players. all clubs have to target mature players but there must be a good reason and they must tick some basic boxes.
steve morris is a 24 yr old we got him basically for nothing of course we had to target and take him.
people grumbling about us taking mature players last yr are wrong. we invested some very good picks on kids.in fact we invested all of our good picks on kids. we in fact took 5 kids vlastuin, mcintosh, mcbean, mcdonough, all 4 with good picks we didnt go past the 3rd round and then there was williams as a rookie, a rookie whos a lovely size had some injury and as far as kids go has every chance if he can get healthy.
we then actually addressed list deficiencies as far as age and experience went. the mature players taken may not have been everyones cup of tea including me. but they did addresss areas that needed to be addressed.
in other words and to keep it short the right processes have been gone thru.
there are so many good options in state leagues and there are some real good players on afl lists who for whatever reason are not getting a regular game. we just have to invest more into these areas.
the team we beat on the weekend have taken mainly on the cheap and invested time into the following mature players and fair dinkum they are all better picks than taking a kid in the rookie draft who does nothing more than clog up your list for two yrs.
and ya know what with late nd and young rookie picks clogging up the list is the norm not the exception.
that team femantle have taken mature types state or from other clubs in.
ballantyne nd 21 , barlow rookie , bradley nd 69, dawson psd, de boer rookie, duffy nd 39, griffin nd 61, hannath psd, michael johnson psd, mcpharlin the steak knives in the hodge croad trade. mzungu nd 39, pearce f/a, silvagni rookie, spurr rookie,
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i dont mind at all. i been in here for longer than I care to remember and over the journey people get calls right and people get some wrong. I believe we still need 2 or 3 A graders before we can win a flag. Thats just my opinion. I could be wrong. I hope Im wrong and I hope that Cotchin & Co can lift the Premiership Cup on the last day of September.
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When I started this thread it was justifiable, get over yourselves....
Who did we lose to when you started this thread? Serious question as I honestly don't remember.
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When I started this thread it was justifiable, get over yourselves....
Who did we lose to when you started this thread? Serious question as I honestly don't remember.
Think it was the Bummers, he started about 10 other threads like this quality one on the same day
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When I started this thread it was justifiable, get over yourselves....
Who did we lose to when you started this thread? Serious question as I honestly don't remember.
Think it was the Bummers, he started about 10 other threads like this quality one on the same day
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he was right that week
which is why the thread title is Week, Gutless Club
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he was right that week
which is why the thread title is Week, Gutless Club
:rollin
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:lol
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Not right this week
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When I started this thread it was justifiable, get over yourselves....
I agree mate.
stuff 'em
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Well we one this week/weak but were nowhere near our best, how week/weak is the club this week/weak
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We are worse than any club I the comp, we have no guts, pride, self belief, nothing. We will never change, we are the laughing stock of the AFL!
I am so close to walking away from this club and game.....
"They were the best of times, they were the brust of times"
"What's this, the brust of times? Damn Monkeys!"
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When I started this thread it was justifiable, get over yourselves....
I agree mate.
stuff 'em
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This weak we are week
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This weak we are week
Welcome to the dark side Chuck :thumbsup
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stuffen poo performance. 5 poo quarters in a row. alot of our players seemed knackered after running hard in the 1st quarter. going nowhere in september, better to go out in the first game and get a better draft pick.
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stuffen poo performance. 5 poo quarters in a row. alot of our players seemed knackered after running hard in the 1st quarter. going nowhere in september, better to go out in the first game and get a better draft pick.
5 in a row? I thought we had a good 1st quarter ::)
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stuffen poo performance. 5 poo quarters in a row. alot of our players seemed knackered after running hard in the 1st quarter. going nowhere in september, better to go out in the first game and get a better draft pick.
5 in a row? I thought we had a good 1st quarter ::)
Wtf were you then in the 5th quarter then pal? ::) huh :lol
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Football only goes for 4 quarters ::)
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:shh
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Once again let down again in a big game by our so called A grade mids in downhill skiers Cotch,Lids and Martin along with sooky la la Jack and Softasbutter Vickery
i know this was a few months ago but look what happens when our A graders are held. and they are A graders or close to it. VICKERY ASIDE HES JUST SOFT AS BUTTER.
these blokes arent the problem its when they are held and those below cant fill the void that it becomes a problem.
ANOTHER PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THE MIDS GET BEAT OTHER AREAS NEED TO STEP UP AND OURS DONT. STRUCTURLLY WE STRUGGLE.
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Once again let down again in a big game by our so called A grade mids in downhill skiers Cotch,Lids and Martin along with sooky la la Jack and Softasbutter Vickery
i know this was a few months ago but look what happens when our A graders are held. and they are A graders or close to it. VICKERY ASIDE HES JUST SOFT AS BUTTER.
these blokes arent the problem its when they are held and those below cant fill the void that it becomes a problem.
ANOTHER PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THE MIDS GET BEAT OTHER AREAS NEED TO STEP UP AND OURS DONT. STRUCTURLLY WE STRUGGLE.
Id say that happens to pretty much every club - you lose the midfield and you struggle. No one can dominate in midfield week in week out in this competition, not Hawthorn, not geelong not Sydney.
Bottom line is we win more than we lose in a mid vs mid battle, our top 3 mids have been collectively way down on output compared to last year but we're winning more. Another preseason into Ellis, Conca and Floss, (not to mention Foley will be better for the run) we will only improve as our 2nd tier lose the gap to our top tier. We're not mediocre, we're an improving side that still has flaws but has one of the better midfields going around.
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funny how the problem is that others cant step up when the a graders are beaten.
nothing said about thee fact that the a graders were beaten, and beaten badly. That is the problem. good sides just dont have their a graders all beaten at the same time, and on the few occasions they are, that is the few times that these sides lose during the year.
but hey it couldnt be their fault because they are the skilled ones and skill is much more important than mental hardness and work rate
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funny how the problem is that others cant step up when the a graders are beaten.
nothing said about thee fact that the a graders were beaten, and beaten badly. That is the problem. good sides just dont have their a graders all beaten at the same time, and on the few occasions they are, that is the few times that these sides lose during the year.
but hey it couldnt be their fault because they are the skilled ones and skill is much more important than mental hardness and work rate
so what are you saying. deledio cotchin and martin are mentally weak i know lets just delist em despite the fact they perform to a high standard 98% of the time and are mentally strong for a simlar amount of time. yep lets just cut those hacks we dont want em. instead lets go with those who are deficient in so many areas that they are liabilities without more rounded players around them lets go with with em because they try real hard but are incapable of taking control of a game when others struggle.
its a bleeding heart mentality.
i have one simple question. based on performance can the current list win a gf????. no stuffing way is my answer.
my stance is to win a gf we have to start cutting into those clearly below standard players.
and dont be offended we have gone from having to cut out and out hacks to just having to cut ordinary players but either way we need to cut em. i want us to be more than a pee ant middling team. at the end of the say that is all we currently are. a MIDDLING TEAM.
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so what are you saying. deledio and martin are mentally weak
You could argue the point yeah
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In 3 yrs we've gone from a pathetic Melbourne like rabble with a worse list, to a "middling" team.
FFS get a grip, what more could anybody reasonably expect in that timeframe?
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In 3 yrs we've gone from a pathetic Melbourne like rabble with a worse list, to a "middling" team.
FFS get a grip, what more could anybody reasonably expect in that timeframe?
ALL THAT I ASK IS WE ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE WE ARE STILL ONLY A MIDDLING TEAM. IS THAT SO BAD. AND FOR US TO BECOME A TOP SIDE WE HAVE A LOT OF RECRUITING AND CUTTING TO DO STILL.
BEING A MIDDLING TEAM MEANS WE MAY WELL GO BACKWARDS ON THE LADDER DEPENDING ON CIRCUMSTANCES.
YEP IM ASKING FOR NOTHING BUT A BIT OF REALITY WHEN WE DISCUSS THE TIGES.
BUT HEY LETS NOT BE REALISTIC LETS JUST BE ALL FUZZY AND WARM.
AND YES THE FREAKIN CAPS ARE ON.
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I haven't seen anyone say we are a premiership favourites so stop acting like everyones saying it
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You all do realise we trained on Saturday morning don't you.
Facts don't seem to mean much anymore.
I need to rant and I will rant and I have a forum to rant so I will rant.
Actually between watching the Crystal Palace fans chant non-stop for 38 minutes, just brilliant stuff, and the rantings on here, my Sunday morning is actually quite fun.
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ha ha wa tiger...shame shame shame
lmfao quality bump
Yep...home brand quality.
The Aldi Tigers.
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In 3 yrs we've gone from a pathetic Melbourne like rabble with a worse list, to a "middling" team.
FFS get a grip, what more could anybody reasonably expect in that timeframe?
ALL THAT I ASK IS WE ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE WE ARE STILL ONLY A MIDDLING TEAM. IS THAT SO BAD. AND FOR US TO BECOME A TOP SIDE WE HAVE A LOT OF RECRUITING AND CUTTING TO DO STILL.
BEING A MIDDLING TEAM MEANS WE MAY WELL GO BACKWARDS ON THE LADDER DEPENDING ON CIRCUMSTANCES.
YEP IM ASKING FOR NOTHING BUT A BIT OF REALITY WHEN WE DISCUSS THE TIGES.
BUT HEY LETS NOT BE REALISTIC LETS JUST BE ALL FUZZY AND WARM.
AND YES THE FREAKIN CAPS ARE ON.
Well duh, who here actually thinks we are more than a middle of the road side? I haven't seen 1 fan on here say we are more than making up the numbers this September. No one is under any illusions of where we're at right now. You're the one that seems to blowing a gasket over nothing. stuffing bizzare
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You all do realise we trained on Saturday morning don't you.
Facts don't seem to mean much anymore.
I need to rant and I will rant and I have a forum to rant so I will rant.
Actually between watching the Crystal Palace fans chant non-stop for 38 minutes, just brilliant stuff, and the rantings on here, my Sunday morning is actually quite fun.
Why did we train on the morning of the game HK? Are we going through a heavier training load?
I knew we looked slower and heavier when I was watching the game and said as much on this forum
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It would also explain our deplorable skills (kicking, fumbling etc) in the second half.
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It would also explain our deplorable skills (kicking, fumbling etc) in the second half.
And may explain why the hit the ground running the way the did, they were really switched on in the first qtr
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You all do realise we trained on Saturday morning don't you.
Facts don't seem to mean much anymore.
I need to rant and I will rant and I have a forum to rant so I will rant.
Actually between watching the Crystal Palace fans chant non-stop for 38 minutes, just brilliant stuff, and the rantings on here, my Sunday morning is actually quite fun.
Why did we train on the morning of the game HK? Are we going through a heavier training load?
I knew we looked slower and heavier when I was watching the game and said as much on this forum
Noticed in the Bris game that players looked spent at half time. The Bris victory along with Carlton loss and then Pies loss assured a 5th/6th after this weekend.
Load up now and freshen for finals I reckon. We may have caught the Hawks in a heavy week for them. I reckon that's part of the calcs the club makes.
Whitey withdrawing 90 minutes before the game with "soreness" indicates a training session as well. No Lonergan all weekend indicates that he may have been a part of the Training as well.
The club reveals a lot. The Dimma dissections are pretty open. There has to be things that the club keeps close. Newie finally revealed the additional training. The "resting/soreness" of players indicates a far more methodical approach to finals than a "just hoping to make up the numbers".
So there's that explanation or the "chicken little" explanation. Take your pick. I see us as a professional club (now) so you can guess which background I look to.
I will admit at times in the second quarter too many players cheated off the front. We did get a little ahead of ourselves. But we had almost no run in the last.
Time will tell.
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The club reveals a lot. The Dimma dissections are pretty open. There has to be things that the club keeps close. Newie finally revealed the additional training. The "resting/soreness" of players indicates a far more methodical approach to finals than a "just hoping to make up the numbers".
Can't agree with this, they reveal what they want to which isn't very much at all.
yes they have to keep things close but I doubt they reveal much at all. Just because they withdraw a player 90 minutes before a game doesnt mean that decision wasn't made on Thursday. ;D
Look at King (whose now missed 3 weeks), Edwards S and now White, all withdrawn on match day but none where ever going to play.
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funny how the problem is that others cant step up when the a graders are beaten.
nothing said about thee fact that the a graders were beaten, and beaten badly. That is the problem. good sides just dont have their a graders all beaten at the same time, and on the few occasions they are, that is the few times that these sides lose during the year.
but hey it couldnt be their fault because they are the skilled ones and skill is much more important than mental hardness and work rate
so what are you saying. deledio cotchin and martin are mentally weak i know lets just delist em despite the fact they perform to a high standard 98% of the time and are mentally strong for a simlar amount of time. yep lets just cut those hacks we dont want em. instead lets go with those who are deficient in so many areas that they are liabilities without more rounded players around them lets go with with em because they try real hard but are incapable of taking control of a game when others struggle.
its a bleeding heart mentality.
i have one simple question. based on performance can the current list win a gf????. no stuffing way is my answer.
my stance is to win a gf we have to start cutting into those clearly below standard players.
and dont be offended we have gone from having to cut out and out hacks to just having to cut ordinary players but either way we need to cut em. i want us to be more than a pee ant middling team. at the end of the say that is all we currently are. a MIDDLING TEAM.
You truly are off your rocker and have this great ability to twist things completely.
did i say delist the players you mentioned? HUH? A typical claw overereaction when someone disagrees with them.
Are they mentally week. well considering the amount of times they go missing as a collective unit, id say they are not as strong as required, at the moment.
Is that group of players equal in talent to any other group in the league?
Yes!!!!
do the top sides have their group of topline players go missing collectively as a unit as often as them?
No!
and what happens on the rare occasions they do?
They generally stuffing lose!!
We actually can generally cover one or two of our top line players going missing, but we cant cover the whole unit of them going AWOL. No side in the comp can.
But you seem to think its ok for top line players to not play to their best, as long as they dont have any deficiencies in their game , according to the word of claw that is, because in this alter reality you should have a team of A grade players.
We now have an insight into why you seem to always strive to have a team of 22 top notch players, because in your alter reality it doesn't matter if 4 or 5 of the best players go collectively missing, because there will be another dozen or so players who can magically step up and cover for this group.
meanwhile, while trying to assemble this super allstars team, other teams are winning premierships with a group of A graders that constantly bring their good game, backed up by a core of hard working, honest, solid, foot soldiers.
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You all do realise we trained on Saturday morning don't you.
Facts don't seem to mean much anymore.
I need to rant and I will rant and I have a forum to rant so I will rant.
Actually between watching the Crystal Palace fans chant non-stop for 38 minutes, just brilliant stuff, and the rantings on here, my Sunday morning is actually quite fun.
Why did we train on the morning of the game HK? Are we going through a heavier training load?
I knew we looked slower and heavier when I was watching the game and said as much on this forum
VFL team trained, not the AFL team.
Newy was talking about doing some training as the recovery group would have trained: him, Shane Edwards and Jake King being in there at the moment.
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Thanks for clearing that up RFC official
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I've heard the same information about increasing our training load. Players I've spoken too have said they are going through a heavier training period than they have every gone through this year. RFC_Offical - when Newman spoke about the training increase it didn't seem he was referring to his own circumstance, nor that of the rehab group, he was referring to the squad as a whole. :huh
It would explain the drop off in our run over the last two weeks. I'll find out for certain tomorrow and get back to you :thumbsup
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That would be consistent with what Peter Burge would be familiar with from what I know. It's a very typical athletics/cycling approach.
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:dancing
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You all do realise we trained on Saturday morning don't you.
Facts don't seem to mean much anymore.
I need to rant and I will rant and I have a forum to rant so I will rant.
Actually between watching the Crystal Palace fans chant non-stop for 38 minutes, just brilliant stuff, and the rantings on here, my Sunday morning is actually quite fun.
did we well sack the coaches as well for such stupidity.
martin had a shocker. cotchin was hurt and struggled and imo deledio played a pretty decent game.
did anyone see the constant skill errors the constant fumbles. the score doesnt say it but for 3 quarters we were smashed.
the lack of quality is there for all to see. the fact that so many are not up to the standard is there for all to see.
we win games on the back of 4 or 5 players when they are down a bit we struggle. that is a thing called decent depth and we just dont have it. our bottom 5 or 6 in the 22 are not good enough and always revert to being poor when real pressure is applied. they have regularly shown they are incapable of stepping up.
lots of delistings to come this yr we have done the easy bit now for the harder bit.
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Well eff me I thought the harder bit was getting to the finals for the first time in 12 years
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We must have lost on the weekend.
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Well eff me I thought the harder bit was getting to the finals for the first time in 12 years
lol i should have expected the ignorance.
all of nm, ess, ad, ca, wce, fremantle, and others have made finals only to slip straight back out in recent yrs. lots of middling sides make finals never to go on with it.
on the back of few injuries and what has panned out to be a good draw we have achieved the easy bit.
the name of the game is to build something that is sustainable we sure as hell aint done that yet.
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We must have lost on the weekend.
So true. Really is amazing. Good for a read to get through a monday though. Would be poo if we won every week. :cheers
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We must have lost on the weekend.
So true. Really is amazing. Good for a read to get through a monday though. Would be poo if we won every week. :cheers
I could live with it
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AND YES THE FREAKIN CAPS ARE ON.
:lol :clapping