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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on July 06, 2013, 06:20:05 PM
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Firstly, as angry and disgusted and infuriated as I am and we all are. We are still 9 and 5 and taking a deep breath, we'd have taken that at the start of the year.
However, I'm struggiling to find a more insipid performance from our club in my time. I've seen 150 point losses to Geelong at the dome and the 20 goal loss to Adelaide under Walls, debacle performances under Wallace and the circus that was Rawlings era. In all honest I put this pathetic performance up with the loss to Melbourne in Round 22 of 1997 (98 or 99?) When all we ndded to do is win or lose by less than 10 goals and we'd make the finals. We ended up losing by more and finished 9th. That was our worse loss in my time (born in 1983). Today eclipsed that in my eyes. We are a good side and are passed this crap of 'not turning up' and soft efforts and 'giving up' when it gets tough.
It got tough, North played bloody well but we didn't give a yelp, no leadership, no plan B.
Pathetic. Everything went wrong.
Take a deep breath and 9-5 with a huge game against the fluros from GC.
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I am in QLD at the moment, thank stuff I didn't see the game.
We all knew Norf would come out hard, but instead of a pies v tigers or bumbers v tigers where the challenger was brushed aside, we put in a pooful effort like the aforementioned games and came up very short yet again.
We should make finals, you have to start somewhere, but I can't see us going too far this year.
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Probably the reality check we needed. People call Norf flat track bullies but all we showed today is that what we are at the moment.......it's easy to bash up second rate teams but were given a true lesson today.....we were importers today but need to show next week some true resolve or tiger land will go into melt down.
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Probably the reality check we needed. People call Norf flat track bullies but all we showed today is that what we are at the moment.......it's easy to bash up second rate teams but were given a true lesson today.....we were importers today but need to show next week some true resolve or tiger land will go into melt down.
Yep great call. We are flat track bullies. Very happy to run and burn it up when we are skiing downhill.
Very very interesting to see some of the players shut down when we were 8 goals down. Not a huge surprise though.
Also as much as Cotchin is a star, his leadership is still really raw, as is his knowledge of the game. Need his leadership to really developing into a general. Games like today doesn't happy to a side with a general as a leader. Will never see Hodge let that happen to the Hawks or Selwood let that happen to the Cats
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I made a comment to one of my mates in the first 5 minutes of the game that we and in particular jack looked disinterested and that's how the game rolled out.in my opinion it was all about attitude
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At half time North doubled our uncontested marks and uncontested possessions.
That is 100% down to effort and running and spreading.
Yes, Ellis going down hurt our spread but no1 was interested in picking up the slack.
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Should be 14-0. No excuses.
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pope do you know if Ellis was concussed,i couldnt quite see from where I was sitting?
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I made a comment to one of my mates in the first 5 minutes of the game that we and in particular jack looked disinterested and that's how the game rolled out.in my opinion it was all about attitude
Well said!! :clapping
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One thing that we can't seem to do yet is that when the game is not getting played our way, is shut it right down and crank the defensive pressure right up. A bit like what the pies did to the blues. It got a bit free flowing so they stopped it.
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Pathetic, insipid and dishonest are the words that come to mind about today's effort
Based on today we don't deserve to play finals which
Personally thought the game was done and dusted at qtr time, that's how bad we looked up
I made a comment to one of my mates in the first 5 minutes of the game that we and in particular jack looked disinterested and that's how the game rolled out.in my opinion it was all about attitude
Exactly right
All I can say is
Terrific, just terrific TM
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pope do you know if Ellis was concussed,i couldnt quite see from where I was sitting?
Yeah heard o the radio on the way home he was quite sick about an hour after the incident (Dr. Peter Larkins words). So being a subbed out player kiijed to be clear concussion.
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One thing that we can't seem to do yet is that when the game is not getting played our way, is shut it right down and crank the defensive pressure right up. A bit like what the pies did to the blues. It got a bit free flowing so they stopped it.
Yep, I went to the Carl/Coll game too.
Carl dominated the first qtr but somehow the Pies were only 10-15 points down, whatever it was.
Mate of mine made a great call. The biggest difference between a top 4 side (Still think Coll are top 4 quality, they are better than Essendon) is that when the heat is on and the tempo is against them, they are able to weather the storm and not let the margin blow out. They will eventually have the tempo swing there way and thats where they really put the opposition to the sword.
We've been criticised for a while for not being able to really kill off an opponent. Today was a good example of failing to weather a storm. Its the next step we need to take if we are legit.
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Attitude, endeavor, mindset, weathering the storm, changing the game, playing on our terms etc. etc.
This comes down to LEADERSHIP.
That's when you see the cream rise. Selwood @ Geelong
Watson, Hodge, etc. and the more good leaders you have the less likely these things will happen.
It's clears our leaders are still developing.
Cotchin is still learning the role but he has to learn to get the team to follow him with acts of brilliance. He needs to show all the others whats required. I don't know the team is following
Deledio struggles to shake a tag. Until he can gut run and basically exhaust his opponent he will never get over this. He has to prepared to mentality and physically break them. I don't know if he ever will.
Reiwoldt must find a way to influence a game when its not happening for him up forward. I don't see him running enough. I'd like to see him prepared to run like his cousin does. Defenders are definitely too exhausted to spoil because they can't keep up.
At the moment it seems our leaders just except its not working for them today and stop trying. That sort of attitude filters right throughout the team. No one runs, no one works hard, no one creates, no one fights.
Our leaders aren't mentally or physically capable enough IMO
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but they have been training the house down :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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One thing that we can't seem to do yet is that when the game is not getting played our way, is shut it right down and crank the defensive pressure right up. A bit like what the pies did to the blues. It got a bit free flowing so they stopped it.
Yep, I went to the Carl/Coll game too.
Carl dominated the first qtr but somehow the Pies were only 10-15 points down, whatever it was.
Mate of mine made a great call. The biggest difference between a top 4 side (Still think Coll are top 4 quality, they are better than Essendon) is that when the heat is on and the tempo is against them, they are able to weather the storm and not let the margin blow out. They will eventually have the tempo swing there way and thats where they really put the opposition to the sword.
We've been criticised for a while for not being able to really kill off an opponent. Today was a good example of failing to weather a storm. Its the next step we need to take if we are legit.
Agree. Need to be able to stem the flow when things not going well and also need to be able to lift in a game when things not going well. We do not want to be known as a side of downhill skiers. Need to develop a culture of never say die. Also need to improve on our kicking for goal. In today's game there will be always an opportunity to get back in the game you just have to grab it when it arises.
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Club defensive programs are well short of elite clubs hence our losses this season have been heavier than last. We are like Geelong in Gf's in the 1990's get ting to the big dance and falling horribly short.
It may be finals or bust for us this season and there may be some truth in that but until our defensive structure stands up and is at a level to make us competitive and keep us in games when the game is played on the opposition terms the parallel with Geelong's failures in the 90's.
Personally I think we will play finals this year but lamentably results such as yesterday's may be the norm until the side develops further and some players of quality develop or are brought to the club by other means.
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Club defensive programs are well short of elite clubs hence our losses this season have been heavier than last. We are like Geelong in Gf's in the 1990's get ting to the big dance and falling horribly short.
It may be finals or bust for us this season and there may be some truth in that but until our defensive structure stands up and is at a level to make us competitive and keep us in games when the game is played on the opposition terms the parallel with Geelong's failures in the 90's.
Personally I think we will play finals this year but lamentably results such as yesterday's may be the norm until the side develops further and some players of quality develop or are brought to the club by other means.
Geelong was a bit stiff in the 90's.
Probably can include '89 with that too.
'89. Played one the best teams ever assembled.
'92. Played a WA state team.
'94. Played a WA state team.
'95. Played the Cheating Scum who was found to be cheating. AGAIN!
Great team but a bit unlucky as well IMO.
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Club defensive programs are well short of elite clubs hence our losses this season have been heavier than last. We are like Geelong in Gf's in the 1990's get ting to the big dance and falling horribly short.
It may be finals or bust for us this season and there may be some truth in that but until our defensive structure stands up and is at a level to make us competitive and keep us in games when the game is played on the opposition terms the parallel with Geelong's failures in the 90's.
Personally I think we will play finals this year but lamentably results such as yesterday's may be the norm until the side develops further and some players of quality develop or are brought to the club by other means.
Geelong was a bit stiff in the 90's.
Probably can include '89 with that too.
'89. Played one the best teams ever assembled.
'92. Played a WA state team.
'94. Played a WA state team.
'95. Played the Cheating Scum who was found to be cheating. AGAIN!
Great team but a bit unlucky as well IMO.
Unlucky in 89 but Hawthorn finished with 14 fit men despite Gazza's heroics.
In 92 they were five goals up just before half time and lost by 5 goals choke choke choke.
Played their GF in 94 denying Nought and Carey their rightful place and lost by 80 points.
In 1995 downhill skied the Dogs and us in the finals by about 180 points combined and by quarter time had already played their hand and were nowhere. Choke choke choke.
That's us if we don't get our defensive structures right. Attacking we are great when the game is on others terms we fold like a pack of cards. Defence wins flags look at West Coast in that era, Carlton, Sydney, Geelong, Collingwood more recently. We are for the most part competitive now, we need to up the ante and ensure we stay there and forge on making our defensive structures more solid, accountable and more difficult to penetrate.
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Nafan Thompson made a reasonably good point.
North and Tigers are pretty similar (I agree), Tigers had won for a month straight. Thats about our limit. We aren't a Hawthorn that can go on with a 8-10 winning streak yet. 4 games in a row is a good return. Roos were just better on the day and clearly wanted it more.
Shouldn't be ashamed losing to North as they about par with us, its just the manner of the way we lost, cause those losses were long behind us.
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Should be 14-0. No excuses.
:clapping exactly we are in a no excuses season so wtf are we doing losing games
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Need to come out and respond next week. I think we will.
lose to the suns, however, and I will flip my t@s.
There is still opportunities to beat some good sides this season.
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Let's face it, you can't do much for the rest of the season from 6th and 9-5
time to put the cue in the rack and start planning for next year and hopefully finish as low as we can, with any luck we can turn it around and get that win-loss to 9-13
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Let's face it, you can't do much for the rest of the season from 6th and 9-5
time to put the cue in the rack and start planning for next year and hopefully finish as low as we can, with any luck we can turn it around and get that win-loss to 9-13
theres nuffin like early picks gerks. its time to go the tank ;D
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get Esso back on board :cheers
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I miss the Esso servos
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I miss the Esso servos
I miss the Leyland P76 but we move on
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get Esso back on board :cheers
They're still paying off the Valdez spill. :whistle
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Back on topic please, enough talk of cars, that's a warning for the lot of you
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Firstly, as angry and disgusted and infuriated as I am and we all are. We are still 9 and 5 and taking a deep breath, we'd have taken that at the start of the year.
We are a good side and are passed this crap of 'not turning up' and soft efforts and 'giving up' when it gets tough.
It got tough, North played bloody well but we didn't give a yelp, no leadership, no plan B.
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No leadership is what stood out the most for me. Sure we were down on key players in Maric and Houli (and Ellis later due to injury in the 1st qtr), but when we strayed from our short passing game and started to bombed it I50, we sealed our doom.
Where were our on-field leaders?
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Firstly, as angry and disgusted and infuriated as I am and we all are. We are still 9 and 5 and taking a deep breath, we'd have taken that at the start of the year.
We are a good side and are passed this crap of 'not turning up' and soft efforts and 'giving up' when it gets tough.
It got tough, North played bloody well but we didn't give a yelp, no leadership, no plan B.
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No leadership is what stood out the most for me. Sure we were down on key players in Maric and Houli (and Ellis later due to injury in the 1st qtr), but when we strayed from our short passing game and started to bombed it I50, we sealed our doom.
Where were our on-field leaders?
Thanks for getting us back on topic, it's a thread about football FFs not bloody cars.
In regards to your question a out our leaders I think they were checking out WP's new car.
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Can someone please tell me what the stuff any of this has to do with RFC being 9-5? Anyone?
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I've split the non-topic stuff to the general discussion board.