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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Coach on July 17, 2013, 02:42:24 PM
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Yes.
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Agree. Is miles past Conca at this stage.
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No rope heads!
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kirk ugle
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No
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Heppell can play and no doubt he would stick fat instead of gawking about. He wouldn't talk to West Coast ;D
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We should have drafted Carey, Ablett Snr & Lockett too.
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We should have drafted Carey, Ablett Snr & Lockett too.
Rubbish contribution to the thread. It was clearly a bad choice overlooking Hep
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Trolling thread or want input?
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But look at who we haven't overlooked....Lids, Cotch, Dusty, Ellis, Flossy, Foley as a Rookie and then if you go deep enough, look at how many clubs overlooked Rory Sloane. He went at pick 44 FFS!
Lucky Melbourne didn't overlook Scully and Trengove. That was one bullet we dodged.
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Never liked Conca as a choice and still dont.
Of course fair chance i might be wrong but thought it was left field and there was plenty of value around that pick.
Heppell was the one everyone touted as being a jet yet we took a punt.
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It is not a trolling thread and no ones input is overly important because I'm the Coach. We should have drafted Heppell, almost end of story. Conca is a very decent player. However the only thing saving this draft choice would be us bending over West Coast at the trade table. Then we can praise Blair Hartley for a while.
We're sweet
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heppel is just a potentially better version of houli, but how much better, considering one was a 1st rnd pick and one a pre season pick?
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heppel is just a potentially better version of houli, but how much better, considering one was a 1st rnd pick and one a pre season pick?
Worst thing you've ever said. And you have made many pro Helmut posts which makes this even more of a sin. Potentially better? Heppell's game on the weekend was better than any game Houli has ever played...and that's just a normal sunday for Hep. Maybe it's the drugs, I dunno. But he's very good + a lot harder at the onion these days
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didnt see his game on the weekend but ill take some some convincing, just as some will forever see houli as a total squib ;D
last time i saw him play, heppel was still a buffalo girl.
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But Houli is a toal squib? Needs a heart transplant instead of starving himself for no reason. Still plays the odd game though so good on him.
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Heppell had his first great game on the weekend - prior to that is very vanilla. No hurt factor, not a line breaker with his run or his loopy kicking. Has strengths like - hes a one grab player, has very quick hands and reads the play well but he is over rated. A lot like Gibbs in the first 3-4 years when everyone would drool whenever he hit a target sideways 30 metres away or took a mark or gave off a handball, regulation sort of stuff the commentators batt off too when a 'name' does it.
If Conca tidies up his kicking he'll be elite, but tbh its a bit concerning, his ball drop is not great. Who else did we pass by drafting Conca?
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But Houli is a toal squib? Needs a heart transplant instead of starving himself for no reason. Still plays the odd game though so good on him.
:thumbsup
I'd take Conca over Heppel-titus still though Coach.
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Rubbish contribution to the thread. It was clearly a bad choice overlooking Hep
Rubbish. Don't think anything's clear at this still relatively early point.
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While I think this has been quite well argued - albeit crudely at times without good reason - I'm still fairly happy with the Conca selection as I see him having some more upside if he gets his body right and gets a few full pre seasons under his belt.
Heppell is naturally ahead but fitness base might be helping him
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Who else did we pass by drafting Conca?
IIRC Reece said himself that he was expecting to go at around pick 16 so.......
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heppel is just a potentially better version of houli, but how much better, considering one was a 1st rnd pick and one a pre season pick?
you have to be kidding right.you have watched heppell play right. he has two things in spades houli definately hasnt got and neither has conca imo. thats an ability to buy time in traffic and awareness.he runs all day makes very good decisions and is a fantastic size for a mid at 189cm just wait till he gets to 89kg and gains the core strength that comes with it. bloody hell ones a genuine mid and ones a battler in the role.
i still think heppell plays a lot like a young scott pendulbury and that was always on the cards. he was always a top 5 pick at worst based on performance skill set size and potential ipside.
also lets not try to make this thread a bag conca thing its not. he looks like he will become a decent player in time.
all that has happened is a poster has rightly pointed out we should have taken heppell because hes a better player with a far greater upside still.
i save my angst for francis jackson in this. as has been stated conca at 6 was a stretch and most people involved in the draft said so. imo jackson has been guilty reaching for players in several drafts.
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buying time and awareness are pretty much the same thing. (and conca does that in traffic too, and doesnt squib)
and i agree he has houli covered on that. Besides that they are a similar type in the role they play.
my point is, is he that much better than houli when you take into account what they cost? A first rounder compared to a pre season pick?
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Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin were not only selected because they could play footy they were selected because they bring to the table a cultural shift in terms of what type of player we want at Richmond. Whilst Heppel may be a better player, I dont think he would help change the culture of Richmond which has been nothing short of disgraceful since the early 1980s.
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buying time and awareness are pretty much the same thing. (and conca does that in traffic too, and doesnt squib)
and i agree he has houli covered on that. Besides that they are a similar type in the role they play.
my point is, is he that much better than houli when you take into account what they cost? A first rounder compared to a pre season pick?
yes hes infinately better than houli i dont even think houli a mid.
nope they are not the same granted maybe similar. awareness is knowing whats around you and exactly where your team mate is. buying time is the ability to get thru traffic and avoid contact which directly impacts on your ability to use well and make a good decision.
houli has struggled as a mid because of it and ive seen little of it in conca in fact his awareness to date is poor and he panics rather than slow up and buy time.
one who has both awareness and an ability to buy time is shane edwards but his skillset is ordinary along with other things.
nathan foley is so good inside because of his awarenes he shoots out handballs instinctively and they hit every time thats awareness.
for me the best in the business and hes getting on a bit now is shaun burgoyne, he doesnt go thru the midfield as much as he used to but he combines fantastic skills with both awareness and the ability to buy time. these types are priceless imo. even better if they are big bodied and win their own ball if they have to.
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BS thread Conca is and will be better than heppell
just like hodge is better than judd
heppell judd princesses
Hodge Conca warriors..
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buying time and awareness are pretty much the same thing. (and conca does that in traffic too, and doesnt squib)
Conca is fantastic in traffic. That's his best strength. He and Titch are highly underrated at the clearances.
Reece started the year like a gun and had an 8 week layoff.
Meantime Heppell's been pumping himself full of lord knows what.
Comparisons at this point are early IMO. A lot thought Cotch was going to be a mistake early too before he exploded once he got past his injuries.
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heppell is a soft princess cant win a hard ball and take the hits Conca takes
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heppell is an overrated turd... this thread is pathetic
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buying time and awareness are pretty much the same thing. (and conca does that in traffic too, and doesnt squib)
Conca is fantastic in traffic. That's his best strength. He and Titch are highly underrated at the clearances.
Reece started the year like a gun and had an 8 week layoff.
Meantime Heppell's been pumping himself full of lord knows what.
Comparisons at this point are early IMO. A lot thought Cotch was going to be a mistake early too before he exploded once he got past his injuries.
we arent watching the same player then. dont know how many times ive seen conca just panic with ball in hand or get run down when he shouldnt. reckon i will be paying more attention to him now. maybe im missing something.
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buying time and awareness are pretty much the same thing. (and conca does that in traffic too, and doesnt squib)
Conca is fantastic in traffic. That's his best strength. He and Titch are highly underrated at the clearances.
Reece started the year like a gun and had an 8 week layoff.
Meantime Heppell's been pumping himself full of lord knows what.
Comparisons at this point are early IMO. A lot thought Cotch was going to be a mistake early too before he exploded once he got past his injuries.
we arent watching the same player then. dont know how many times ive seen conca just panic with ball in hand or get run down when he shouldnt. reckon i will be paying more attention to him now. maybe im missing something.
You are claw, Concas biggest strength is his ability to hit packs at full pace clean pickup and weave out, has been doing thsat from the start. Is a better inside mid already and has been playing without a preseason, heard dermie saying earlier this year he gets the feeling Conca is going at abt 50-60% of what he's capable of doing and I agree with that.
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Claw, I get the feeling that if you watched as many Essendon games as you do Richmond games, you would find a way to bag ShortSteppel too.
You have an uncanny knack for finding fault with our players. If they were as poo as you make them out to be then we'd be sitting bottom of the ladder.
FWIW, I rate Heppel, but Concs was going along very nicely before his injury too. Let's hold off on the shoulda/coulda/wouldas for a year or two.
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Actually reckon Conca works better under pressure and hits targets. When he has time he must be over thinking it.
P.S since when has Heppell had a good game as a midfielder. Only good ones I've seen are a loose backman
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Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin were not only selected because they could play footy they were selected because they bring to the table a cultural shift in terms of what type of player we want at Richmond. Whilst Heppel may be a better player, I dont think he would help change the culture of Richmond which has been nothing short of disgraceful since the early 1980s.
Spot on and agree wholeheartedly. Character and talent of a footy team wins premierships, not talent alone. Conca needs a full year of no injurys. He was having a great year before the injury. Heppell is good, but he tends to wilt under pressure.
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maybe im missing something.
Maybe????
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Pre draft I wanted heppell. However upon close inspection he is a batty hot. Concaa is an Italian stallion and will be the superior player.
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we arent watching the same player then. dont know how many times ive seen conca just panic with ball in hand or get run down when he shouldnt. reckon i will be paying more attention to him now. maybe im missing something.
Weagles interest in him not enough evidence for you? ;)
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I call bollocks to concs regularly getting run down or panicky
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all that has happened is a poster has rightly pointed out we should have taken heppell because hes a better player with a far greater upside still.
You say rightly , I say wrongly
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We should of..........we should of.......we should of done a lot.
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In his first season every game con a.. got a head injury.
Why heppell was running around loose.
This is not coincidence. Concs is genuinely inside and tough
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In my opinion Lighter fluid is a far superior drink to Meth's.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, Didn't...Lets move on :sleep
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Heppell's 36 disposal, 2.2 game was a disgrace.
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:fishing
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awareness is knowing whats around you and exactly where your team mate is. buying time is the ability to get thru traffic and avoid contact which directly impacts on your ability to use well and make a good decision.
houli has struggled as a mid because of it and ive seen little of it in conca in fact his awareness to date is poor and he panics rather than slow up and buy time.
at the risk of being pedantic, you cant get through traffic without contact without being aware of what is around you, can you? perhaps they are not the same thing exactly, but they go hand in hand. you cant buy time without awareness, and awareness buys you time.
On Conca, he did go through a panic stage with the ball. I think he started to get a bit more attention and and started to find himself with less time than he thought and was caught a few times. He's not the first player nor will he be the last to then overreact and start rushing whenever he gets the ball in close. He has adjusted/learned the happy medium is not so prone to that unnecessarily rushed kick now. It was one of the first things i noticed about him was how smooth he could be in traffic and buy himself time.
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Conca is a genuine inside midfielder. He has the ability to think whilst under pressure. He has good vision eg setting up the goal for Maric against St.Kilda earlier this year. He also does a few good things off the ball as well. He will get better with experience. Heppell is a good player but he is not an inside mid.
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Four pages and not one 'Tullamarine Barbie'. I am disappoint.
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My only gripe at this stage with Reece is his disposal..maybe like jackson he can improve this area ;D
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Four pages and not one 'Tullamarine Barbie'. I am disappoint.
You don't waste the gold on troll threads mate
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Four pages and not one 'Tullamarine Barbie'. I am disappoint.
You don't waste the gold on troll threads mate
Fair 'nuff. :shh
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Not knocking Heppell as he's had a very good year but starring against the Doggies at the minute isn't that big a thing to hang your hat on. Conca had 21 possies, 6 marks and kicked 2 goals against the Dogs and we didn't struggle to beat them like Essendon did.
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PPL
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If Conca stays, then he was a great pick.
If he doesnt, he wasn't.
The "go home factor" should ALWAYS play some sort of part in a decision. Obviously if a stand-out is from interstate, then that is the way to go, but in a coin flip, its always safer going the Victorian option.
Heppell = Victorian
Conca = Western Australian.
Now as soon as its contract time we are hearing about the WA teams trying to lure him home.
Its a risk you take when you draft an interstate kid.
In saying all this, i think he will sign, and therefore this thread will be bollocks.
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If Conca stays, then he was a great pick.
If he doesnt, he wasn't.
The "go home factor" should ALWAYS play some sort of part in a decision. Obviously if a stand-out is from interstate, then that is the way to go, but in a coin flip, its always safer going the Victorian option.
Heppell = Victorian
Conca = Western Australian.
Now as soon as its contract time we are hearing about the WA teams trying to lure him home.
Its a risk you take when you draft an interstate kid.
In saying all this, i think he will sign, and therefore this thread will be bollocks.
Could sign for 5 years and drafting him would still be a poor choice. Again, he is a very decent player but....
;D
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lmao
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUBnxqEVKlk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUBnxqEVKlk
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Game on the line led Cripps to the ball. Cripps sprinted past him and Heppell gave up. Game broke open. Lost them the game. :bow
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certainly did give up, symptomatic of ESS :lol
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not enough drugs in the system :nope
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first afl footballer with ovaries
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I know we take pleasure in potting Heppell.
But ESS have 20 you can pot before him.
The guy/girl can play
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Hepell is just so slow, really slow
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Hepell is just so slow, really slow
Pendles ain't that quick either.
Swan ditto.
This sissy can play don't worry about that.
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Thought Swan was pretty quick? Especially in acceleration
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Swan got faster after he tattooed some racing stripes on.
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what does that make Dusty with all his tatts?
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Does he have racing stripes? Need red ones. Even faster.
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Yes.
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Yes.
Indeed.
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Darling pwns all, should have drafted him.
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Darling pwns all, should have drafted him.
West Coast owned everyone with that scam.
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Worked it like a pro they did
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No cause he will be banned soon by ASADA ;D
Conca is still being developed with only 50+ games under his belt & interrupted preseason
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Yes.
About time to fire this one back up. Good work in here. It's gonna get real around here.
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Yes.
About time to fire this one back up. Good work in here. It's gonna get real around here.
Stirring bastard! :cheers
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;D
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;D
And you should have been the Tigers coach but you're not!
I know your stirring the pot Coach, but this is what people are intimating.
I say, get on with your lives. We didn't pick Heppell and we can't do anything about it. Support Reece and help him be the best player he can for the Tiges. That is what we CAN do!
With a little luck and hard work he may even become a better player than Heppell, but that won't happen if he gets the "Richard Tambling" service from the tiger faithful.
Go out and support the Tiger youngsters I say!
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Why do you keep saying I should be the Tigers coach? Couldn't be worse than Hardwick but I don't want the role. Sorry to disappoint.
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Why do you keep saying I should be the Tigers coach? Couldn't be worse than Hardwick but I don't want the role. Sorry to disappoint.
it's called an analogy…...
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Why do you keep saying I should be the Tigers coach? Couldn't be worse than Hardwick but I don't want the role. Sorry to disappoint.
it's called an analogy…...
Why are you obsessed with this 'analogy'? This isn't the first time. Calm down. Should have drafted Hep. Would have been pretty rapt with him in our team.
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Why do you keep saying I should be the Tigers coach? Couldn't be worse than Hardwick but I don't want the role. Sorry to disappoint.
it's called an analogy…...
Why are you obsessed with this 'analogy'? This isn't the first time. Calm down. Should have drafted Hep. Would have been pretty rapt with him in our team.
Why do you call yourself Coach?
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Why do you keep saying I should be the Tigers coach? Couldn't be worse than Hardwick but I don't want the role. Sorry to disappoint.
it's called an analogy…...
Why are you obsessed with this 'analogy'? This isn't the first time. Calm down. Should have drafted Hep. Would have been pretty rapt with him in our team.
Why do you call yourself Coach?
It's what most people have called me since I was 16 years old and yes, I have coached before. Not sure what that has to do with Conca being a battler though.
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Why do you keep saying I should be the Tigers coach? Couldn't be worse than Hardwick but I don't want the role. Sorry to disappoint.
it's called an analogy…...
Why are you obsessed with this 'analogy'? This isn't the first time. Calm down. Should have drafted Hep. Would have been pretty rapt with him in our team.
Why do you call yourself Coach?
It's what most people have called me since I was 16 years old and yes, I have coached before. Not sure what that has to do with Conca being a battler though.
So do you understand what an analogy is then?
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Yeah, I do. Just not sure why you're so obsessed with mentioning me all the time with your "and Coach should have done that but he didn't!"
"Coach should coached Richmond but he hasn't" etc etc
Why are you obsessed with me?
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Yeah, I do. Just not sure why you're so obsessed with mentioning me all the time with your "and Coach should have done that but he didn't!"
"Coach should coached Richmond but he hasn't" etc etc
Why are you obsessed with me?
Don't worry I'm not. If you are THAT sensitive to those hypotheticals, I won't use them anymore….sheeeeshhhhh!
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We should have drafted Pavlich
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We should have drafted Pavlich
:lol
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We should have drafted Ted Whitten
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We should have drafted Ted Whitten
Why? We have half a dozen out on the park making exactly the same moves he is currently!
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We should have drafted Ted Whitten
Why? We have half a dozen out on the park making exactly the same moves he is currently!
Yesssss :clapping eight posts are enough
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We should have drafted Ted Whitten
Why? We have half a dozen out on the park making exactly the same moves he is currently!
Yesssss :clapping eight posts are enough
WHat about Jayden? Upgrade on CHaplin
:lol