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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 07, 2013, 02:26:55 PM
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RICHMOND: Trent Cotchin
While he didn't reach his high standards during the first half of the season, captain Trent Cotchin has been building form and could be the Tigers' leading vote-winner. Equal second in the Brownlow Medal last year with 26 votes, he has played 17 games and averaged 26.9 possessions in 2013. Brett Deledio has been hot and cold this year, either taking the game by the scruff of the neck or being tagged out of the contest. Likewise, Dustin Martin has played some superb games but is not expected to poll consistently. Expect the evenness of Richmond's midfield to be reflected in votes also being shared among Brandon Ellis, Daniel Jackson and Reece Conca. - Nathan Schmook
Read each club's summary here: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-07/aflcomaus-best-brownlow-chances
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I'd doubt we have a player that polls more than 14 or 15 votes this year but as a club we will probably be in the top 5 for votes.
Nice even spread - perfect.
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I'd doubt we have a player that polls more than 14 or 15 votes this year but as a club we will probably be in the top 5 for votes.
Nice even spread - perfect.
I see the Coleman Medal race the same. The fact that we are kicking more goals but with less input/reliance on Jack is the reason the opposition are finding us so difficult to shut down this season as opposed to last. Cotch output is down on last season for many reasons but the midfield is stronger. I'll take that :thumbsup
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AFL website's Brownlow predictor:
Selwood to win with 25 votes from Ablett (24) and Fyfe (23).
Martin 17 ...... 3-R3, 3-R7, 2-R10, 1-R12, 3-R13, 2-R16, 3-R22
Cotchin 14 ...... 1-R1, 2-R2, 1-R3, 1-R14, 1-R16, 3-R17, 2-R19, 3-R20
Deledio 14 ...... 3-R1, 1-R2, 2-R3, 2-R7, 1-R8, 3-R10, 2-R12
Jackson 7 ....... 3-R16, 1-R21, 3-R23
Ellis 6 ...... 3-R8, 1-R19, 2-23
Rance 5 ...... 2-R17, 3-R19
Conca 4 ...... 2-R20, 2-R22
Vickery 3 ...... 2-R14, 1-R23
Vlastuin 3 ...... 2-R8, 1-R10
Foley 3 ....... 3-R14
Riewoldt 3 ....... 3-R2
Knights 2 ....... 2-R5
King 1 ........ 1-R6
Grigg 1 ........ 1-R22
Houli 1 ........ 1-R13
http://www.afl.com.au/brownlow-medal/2013-predictor
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even less relevant than AA and only slightly above Mike Sheahan's Tug 50
:sleep
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Selwood will win the Brownlow. His the AFL & umpires pet.
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Ablett to poll 32 and romp it in easily.
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Brownlow predictor: We tip your team's contenders
afl.com.au
Sunday, September 22, 2013
RICHMOND
Predicted most votes: Powerful midfielder Dustin Martin, who might well be on his way out of the club, is our pick to lead the Tigers' Brownlow charge. Our reporters voted him best on ground in rounds three (10-goal win over the Western Bulldogs), seven (win over Port Adelaide), 13 (another thumping victory over the Dogs) and 22 (big win over Greater Western Sydney).
Consider: Tigers' skipper Trent Cotchin and vice-captain Brett Deledio should both poll a reasonable number of votes. Cotchin polled 26 votes last year, which would have been enough to win the medal in most seasons. Instead, he finished equal second, four behind Essendon's Jobe Watson.
Roughie: Brandon Ellis enjoyed a very impressive second season at the highest level, regularly topping 20 possessions.
Ineligible: Shane Edwards, Steven Morris
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-22/brownlow-predictor?utm_medium=RSS
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even less relevant than AA and only slightly above Mike Sheahan's Tug 50
:sleep
agree
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Some fine looking specimens
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Are you sir David Fattenborough?
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How'd you know?
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Our boys and partners at the Brownlow tonight ....
Jacko and partner
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http://instagram.com/p/emKBlSlDa1/#
Lids and Katie
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https://twitter.com/AFLBrownlow/status/382046091044089856/photo/1
Cotch and Brooke
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https://twitter.com/AFLBrownlow/status/382053849747320832/photo/1
Azza and Dusty
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BU1S7q1CIAAM2Ly.jpg:large
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R1 vs Carlton
3. Cotchin
1. Deledio
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R2 vs St Kilda
3. Riewoldt
2. Cotchin
Total:
Cotchin 5
Riewoldt 3
Deledio 1
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R3 vs Bulldogs
3. Cotchin
2. Deledio
1. Martin
Total:
Cotchin 8
Deledio 3
Riewoldt 3
Martin 1
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R4 vs Coll
Zip votes.
R5 vs Freo
Zip votes despite us losing by less than a kick in the last minute :huh
Total:
Cotchin 8
Deledio 3
Riewoldt 3
Martin 1
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R5 against dockers, no votes ::) jees they mustve won by 20 goals :shh ::)
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Was the guy making the brownlow medal wearing a Richmond top :shh
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Yep he was wearing a Richmond top :thumbsup.
R6 vs Geel
No votes.
R7 vs Port
3. Martin
2. Deledio
1. Riewoldt
Total:
Cotchin 8
Deledio 5
Riewoldt 4
Martin 4
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R8 vs Melbourne
3. Ellis
1. Vlastuin
Total:
Cotchin 8
Deledio 5
Riewoldt 4
Martin 4
Ellis 3
Vlastuin 1
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Aaron Davey 2 votes
hahahaha can this award get more comical
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Flossy got a vote. The first of many in the future :thumbsup.
How did any Demon get a vote let alone 2 (Davey - 19d, 2g)? 8 Tigers had more possies than any Demon. Geez we must have only scraped through by a kick instead of won by 34 points and had 14 more scoring shots ::).
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R9 vs Ess (Dreamtime)
No votes.
R10 vs West Coast (Won 103-62; game over by 3/4 time)
3. Deledio
2. White
1. Martin
Total:
Cotchin 8
Deledio 8
Martin 5
Riewoldt 4
Ellis 3
Vlastuin 1
White 1
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R11 - Bye
R12 vs Adelaide (won 110-72)
3. Dangerfield
2. Martin
1. Houli
Total:
Cotchin 8
Deledio 8
Martin 7
Riewoldt 4
Ellis 3
Houli 1
Vlastuin 1
White 1
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Dangerfield was the Crows' best player (he was their only good player that day) but Dusty kicked 4 goals from midfield.
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R13 vs Bulldogs (won 121-61)
3. Grigg
2. Houli
1. Vickery
Total:
Cotchin 8
Deledio 8
Martin 7
Riewoldt 4
Ellis 3
Houli 3
Grigg 3
Vlastuin 1
White 1
Vickery 1
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R14 vs St Kilda (won 119 - 55)
3. Cotchin
2. Jackson
1. Martin
Total:
Cotchin 11
Deledio 8
Martin 8
Riewoldt 4
Ellis 3
Houli 3
Grigg 3
Jackson 2
Vlastuin 1
White 1
Vickery 1
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R15 vs North (loss 66-128 :P )
No votes
R16 vs Gold Coast (won 53-44)
3. Jackson
2. Martin
Total:
Cotchin 11
Martin 10
Deledio 8
Jackson 5
Riewoldt 4
Ellis 3
Houli 3
Grigg 3
Vlastuin 1
White 1
Vickery 1
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whose winning overall at the moment?
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R17 vs Freo (won 84-57)
3. Martin
2. Cotchin
1. Rance
Total:
Cotchin 13
Martin 13
Deledio 8
Jackson 5
Riewoldt 4
Ellis 3
Houli 3
Grigg 3
Vlastuin 1
White 1
Vickery 1
Rance 1
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whose winning overall at the moment?
G Abletts
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whose winning overall at the moment?
After Round 17
Ablett 24
Hannebery 21
Dangerfield 18
Selwood 18
Swan 18
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R18 vs Syd (loss 63-110)
No Votes
R19 vs Haw (won 107-66)
3. Cotchin
2. Houli
1. Rance
Total:
Cotchin 16
Martin 13
Deledio 8
Jackson 5
Houli 5
Riewoldt 4
Ellis 3
Grigg 3
Rance 2
Vlastuin 1
White 1
Vickery 1
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After Round 19
Ablett 25
Hannebery 21
Selwood 21
Swan 21
S.Johnson 20*
Dangerfield 19
K.Jack 19
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R20 vs Bris (won 97-74)
3. Cotchin
1. Jackson
Total:
Cotchin 19
Martin 13
Deledio 8
Jackson 6
Houli 5
Riewoldt 4
Ellis 3
Grigg 3
Rance 2
Vlastuin 1
White 1
Vickery 1
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i personally think cotch had a very average season. last season was much better.
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After Round 20
Ablett 25
Selwood 24
Swan 23
Hannebery 21
S.Johnson 20*
Cotchin 19
Dangerfield 19
K.Jack 19
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i personally think cotch had a very average season. last season was much better.
Started the season well until injuring his knee and finished well. Agree his middle part of the year was average by his standards. Imagine if Cotch had had a ripper of a year. He would've romped it in.
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R21 vs Carl (loss 96-106 :banghead )
2. Deledio
Total:
Cotchin 19
Martin 13
Deledio 10
Jackson 6
Houli 5
Riewoldt 4
Ellis 3
Grigg 3
Rance 2
Vlastuin 1
White 1
Vickery 1
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get on cotch for next years brownlow. didnt think hed get more than12 votes tonight. the umpires love him.
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After Round 21
Selwood 27
Ablett 25
Swan 24
S.Johnson 22*
Hannebery 21
Cotchin 19
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Joel Selwood has hit the front
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hope he wins coz i dont want yablett to win it.
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R22 vs GWS (won 163-42)
3. Martin
2. Grigg
1. A.Edwards
Total:
Cotchin 19
Martin 16
Deledio 10
Jackson 6
Houli 5
Grigg 5
Riewoldt 4
Ellis 3
Rance 2
Vlastuin 1
White 1
Vickery 1
A.Edwards 1
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After Round 22
Selwood 27
Swan 26
Ablett 25
S.Johnson 25*
Hannebery 21
Cotchin 19
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get on cotch for next years brownlow. didnt think hed get more than12 votes tonight. the umpires love him.
Get on D Martin in 2014
He's good enough to win a brownlow
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get on cotch for next years brownlow. didnt think hed get more than12 votes tonight. the umpires love him.
Get on D Martin in 2014
He's good enough to win a brownlow
Yes but only if he brings the right attitude to the football.
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get on cotch for next years brownlow. didnt think hed get more than12 votes tonight. the umpires love him.
Get on D Martin in 2014
He's good enough to win a brownlow
Cotchins not?
Anyone but Selwood please :banghead
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get on cotch for next years brownlow. didnt think hed get more than12 votes tonight. the umpires love him.
Get on D Martin in 2014
He's good enough to win a brownlow
Cotchins not?
Where did I say he wasn't? ::)
Just think if you are looking for an outsider Dusty is a very good option
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So it's out of Selwood, Swan and Ablett
Geelong beat Brisbane by one point. Bartel and Stokes had 35 poss; Selwood 25.
Gold Coast flogged GWS by 83 pts. Ablett 33d, 4 goals.
Collingwood loss to North. Swan had 26d but Pendlebury was the best Pie with 33d.
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get on cotch for next years brownlow. didnt think hed get more than12 votes tonight. the umpires love him.
Get on D Martin in 2014
He's good enough to win a brownlow
Cotchins not?
Where did I say he wasn't? ::)
Just think if you are looking for an outsider Dusty is a very good option
You didn't that's why I asked the question ::)
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R23 vs Ess (won 104-65)
3. Jackson
2. Ellis
1. A.Edwards
Total:
Cotchin 19
Martin 16
Deledio 10
Jackson 9
Ellis 5
Houli 5
Grigg 5
Riewoldt 4
Rance 2
A.Edwards 2
Vlastuin 1
White 1
Vickery 1
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Ablett wins by one vote.
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Final Leaderboard
Ablett 28
Selwood 27
Swan 26
S.Johnson 25*
Hannebery 21
Cotchin 19
Congrats GAJ :clapping. Best player in the AFL by a mile. He's a freak!
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Ablett wins by one vote.
in a side where he basically has no competition and where he basically gets all the 3s. what a joke.
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Still have to play better than the blokes on the other teams. He's a star :bow
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Ablett wins by one vote.
in a side where he basically has no competition and where he basically gets all the 3s. what a joke.
Yeah he carries the team
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Jumping the gun? hahahaha
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Jumping the gun? hahahaha
hey?
when did that show up?
surely after
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10:47 so after
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Brownlow special: If you don't mind, umpire!
Sam Landsberger, Mark Hayes
From: Herald Sun
September 24, 2013
UMPS DON’T CARE WHERE IT GOES
Shaun Grigg’s 21-disposal effort against the Dogs didn’t even get the former Blue a mention in the match report. Fair enough, you’d argue, given it included six clangers. So how on earth did he poll the three votes? And where was Ryan Griffen? The star Dog failed to poll despite a 38-disposal effort where he collected a game-high 143 SuperCoach points. It summed up Griffen’s night, who was forced to wait until Round 7 to earn recognition from the umpires.
GAZ CONQUERED BUT STILL REWARDED
THE umpires must have been mesmerised by the Dan Jackson-Gary Ablett match-up in Round 16. Despite the Tiger tagger claiming an impressive victory _ and deservingly pocketing maximum votes _ the men in colours still couldn’t leave out little Gaz. The Gold Coast champion pocketed one despite being ``held’’ to 26 disposals and no goals.
NUMBERS MAN
Trent Cotchin leapt to prominence in 2012 with his joint runner-up finish, but not many gave him much hope of being prominent again this year. But after three rounds, the Richmond skipper, who clearly gives minimal lip to the umps, was the leader with eight of a possible nine votes after the Tigers’ trifecta of wins to open the season.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brownlow-special-if-you-dont-mind-umpire/story-fnfpguj3-1226725528506
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Club-by-Club votes
Sydney 95
Fremantle 90
Geelong 89
Hawthorn 83
Coll'wood 82
Richmond 81
North Melb. 77
Essendon 72
Carlton 71
Port Adel. 66
Adelaide 65
Brisbane 64
W.Bulldogs 63
Gold Coast 62
West Coast 53
St Kilda 42
GWS 17
Melbourne 16
Richmond votes
Trent Cotchin 19
Dustin Martin 16
Brett Deledio 10
Daniel Jackson 9
Brandon Ellis 5
Shaun Grigg 5
Bachar Houli 5
Jack Riewoldt 4
Aaron Edwards 2
Alex Rance 2
Matt White 2
Tyrone Vickery 1
Nick Vlastuin 1
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/brownlow-medal/2013-brownlow-medal-clubbyclub-votes-20130924-2uam3.html
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Ablett wins by one vote.
in a side where he basically has no competition and where he basically gets all the 3s. what a joke.
He deserved to win cannot dispute that
But how he continues to poll votes in games where is actually beaten (rarely) by an opponent is an indictment on the umpires
He got 1 vote against us and Jacko (his direct opponent) got the 3 votes. Jacko beat him on the day. So how does that work exactly :-\
Then you go to our game against Freo in Perth (the lost by a point game) and not one Tiger gets a vote? Were we at the same game umpires
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Dane Swan looked very agitated when he lost ;D Very happy Selwood will never win a Brownlow :lol
Trent Cotchin wil be the next Brownlow medallist. place your bets :thumbsup
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Dane Swan looked very agitated when he lost ;D
Think it had more to do with his glass being almost empty ;D
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Ablett wins by one vote.
in a side where he basically has no competition and where he basically gets all the 3s. what a joke.
Brownlow don't have nothing to do with being the best man in a team. Its counted on the 3 top players from over 40+ players. Winning only 8 games for the year just shows how great a player Ablett Jnr really is. Being able to take votes against a winning side is a great effort.
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Dane Swan looked very agitated when he lost ;D
Think it had more to do with his glass being almost empty ;D
Was watching that through the night WP, Swan and his partner were not holding back! :lol
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i personally think Swan is a breath of fresh air.
Love watching his attitude especially on brownlow night
Its an award that ranks very low in my eyes since its being judged by a group of men who can hardly umpire a game let alone judge best afield.
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Ablett wins by one vote.
in a side where he basically has no competition and where he basically gets all the 3s. what a joke.
He deserved to win cannot dispute that
But how he continues to poll votes in games where is actually beaten (rarely) by an opponent is an indictment on the umpires
He got 1 vote against us and Jacko (his direct opponent) got the 3 votes. Jacko beat him on the day. So how does that work exactly :-\
Then you go to our game against Freo in Perth (the lost by a point game) and not one Tiger gets a vote? Were we at the same game umpires
As I understand it, the umpires check stats etc. after a game then make their decisions.
If we had won by one point, would we have had 3 players get votes? 1 player? Do the umpires take the result into consideration?
Has there ever been a game which the winning side didn't have a vote getter?
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i personally think Swan is a breath of fresh air.
Love watching his attitude especially on brownlow night
Its an award that ranks very low in my eyes since its being judged by a group of men who can hardly umpire a game let alone judge best afield.
:lol
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Just goes to show,The Umps have no idea or are instructed to give votes to those players who are in the top echelon of the comp for the sake of the image of the AFL.
Jackson should have been our leading vote getter by a country mile. And Crowley would have the leading votes overall.
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Just goes to show,The Umps have no idea or are instructed to give votes to those players who are in the top echelon of the comp for the sake of the image of the AFL.
Jackson should have been our leading vote getter by a country mile. And Crowley would have the leading votes overall.
Jackson & Crowley are hitmen ;D you cant be serious that they would get anywhere near sniffing the brownlow or shake the hand of the winners :lol
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Just goes to show,The Umps have no idea or are instructed to give votes to those players who are in the top echelon of the comp for the sake of the image of the AFL.
Jackson should have been our leading vote getter by a country mile. And Crowley would have the leading votes overall.
Prove Jackson is an overrated dud
If be wins b and f its a joke
Charity
I thought he was going to win the brown low going by how people are crspping on about him
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Just goes to show,The Umps have no idea or are instructed to give votes to those players who are in the top echelon of the comp for the sake of the image of the AFL.
Jackson should have been our leading vote getter by a country mile. And Crowley would have the leading votes overall.
I thought Jackson was being overrated by our supporters and the media in the first half of the season, was pretty average, in the 2nd half of the season he started resembling a footballer. On the other side of the coin, Martin, Lids and Cotch's performances were underrated as we expect so much from them
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Dane Swan looked very agitated when he lost ;D Very happy Selwood will never win a Brownlow :lol
Trent Cotchin wil be the next Brownlow medallist. place your bets :thumbsup
I liked the fact he showed some emotion about it for a change. I never bought his "i dont give a stuff" attitude when he won his brownlow and in general when talking footy. Used to try a bit too hard to give off that persona
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Dane Swan looked very agitated when he lost ;D Very happy Selwood will never win a Brownlow :lol
Trent Cotchin wil be the next Brownlow medallist. place your bets :thumbsup
I liked the fact he showed some emotion about it for a change. I never bought his "i dont give a stuff" attitude when he won his brownlow and in general when talking footy. Used to try a bit too hard to give off that persona
l like Dane Swan. thought he should have got votes in games where he never did. That's umpires who don't know what they are doing, be it controlling the game or giving votes. Umpires were the worst ever this year. so many out of bounds & wrong decisions. They should be all sent back to learn the game & keep up with it. Learn to overrule each other. Video review & when they decide to use its a freakin disgrace.
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Pics from the Richmond table at the Brownlow:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/gallery/2013-09-24/brownlow-medal-2013#419283f444d41410VgnVCM200000986bb70aRCRD
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Dane Swan looked very agitated when he lost ;D
Probably had a big bonus in his contract if he won the brownlow.
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Thought he was more annoyed to have the cameras on him knowing he couldn't win ;)
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Pics from the Richmond table at the Brownlow:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/gallery/2013-09-24/brownlow-medal-2013#419283f444d41410VgnVCM200000986bb70aRCRD
Aaron Edwards must be the smallest '3rd tall' ever to play ? Looks like a midget next to Dusty in that pic.
Here's a good stat from last night. Cotchin polled 8 of a possible 9 votes in the first three games following on from 11 of a possible 12 votes in the last four games of 2012. So that's 7 straight games with Cotchin polling 19 of a possible 21 votes. 5 BOGs and 2 second best ons. Unbelievable form streak.
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Dane Swan looked very agitated when he lost ;D Very happy Selwood will never win a Brownlow :lol
Trent Cotchin wil be the next Brownlow medallist. place your bets :thumbsup
I liked the fact he showed some emotion about it for a change. I never bought his "i dont give a stuff" attitude when he won his brownlow and in general when talking footy. Used to try a bit too hard to give off that persona
l like Dane Swan. thought he should have got votes in games where he never did. That's umpires who don't know what they are doing, be it controlling the game or giving votes. Umpires were the worst ever this year. so many out of bounds & wrong decisions. They should be all sent back to learn the game & keep up with it. Learn to overrule each other. Video review & when they decide to use its a freakin disgrace.
agree, they have no feel for the game at all, hopeless
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Which would u rather in your team GAblett or JSelwood?
And no you can't have both like Bomber Thompson.
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Which would u rather in your team GAblett or JSelwood?
And no you can't have both like Bomber Thompson.
Selwood ;D
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Selwood is a bitch
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Pics from the Richmond table at the Brownlow:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/gallery/2013-09-24/brownlow-medal-2013#419283f444d41410VgnVCM200000986bb70aRCRD
Oh yeah, Jacko is also batting well up the order too, good on him!
:thumbsup
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Which would u rather in your team GAblett or JSelwood?
And no you can't have both like Bomber Thompson.
Selwood ;D
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Ablett :clapping. How many brownlows does Selwood have again?
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Ablett :clapping. How many brownlows does Selwood have again?
The number of Brownlows is irrelevant. Just as how many premierships they've played in is.
It's a question of who would be a better player in the Tigers side.
With the loss of Tuck (inside mid), Selwood would be the perfect replacement. Also the fact he has more years left than Ablett make Selwood my choice
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Ablett
Don't be fooled by the cheap handballs he gets at the back as the same goes for swan, lids, etc etc
His an absolute gun and a modest one at that
Agree with WP though brownlows aren't worth a pinch of poo in my eyes.
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ablett
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Agree with WP though brownlows aren't worth a pinch of poo in my eyes.
These days (sadly) they aren't worth much at all TBBH
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Ablett :clapping. How many brownlows does Selwood have again?
The number of Brownlows is irrelevant. Just as how many premierships they've played in is.
It's a question of who would be a better player in the Tigers side.
With the loss of Tuck (inside mid), Selwood would be the perfect replacement. Also the fact he has more years left than Ablett make Selwood my choice
Ablett :clapping. How many brownlows does Selwood have again?
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Ablett :clapping. How many brownlows does Selwood have again?
The number of Brownlows is irrelevant. Just as how many premierships they've played in is.
It's a question of who would be a better player in the Tigers side.
With the loss of Tuck (inside mid), Selwood would be the perfect replacement. Also the fact he has more years left than Ablett make Selwood my choice
Ablett :clapping. How many brownlows does Selwood have again?
stuff selwood, would be gappy for stevie j or bartel to win but selwood a wanker and a ducker. Good for wearing headbands and doing the limbo with tjose hip movements :lol also looks like a lunch cutter for sure