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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 06, 2013, 11:47:00 PM
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Choco block: Tiges may step in
Caroline Wilson
The Age
November 7, 2013
Richmond could thwart St Kilda's attempt to poach its highly regarded assistant Mark Williams should the beleaguered Saints offer Williams the senior coaching job following last week's ill-timed sacking of Scott Watters.
While a shattered and angry Watters remains determined to make St Kilda pay for its decision to remove him, the Tigers are among several clubs unimpressed at the timing of Watters' sacking and the potential disruption to its own plans for 2014.
Williams will meet the Saints' coaching sub-committee on Friday, although Fairfax Media understands another short-placed favourite for the coaching role, Alan Richardson, could choose to make himself unavailable. Richardson is understood to have told Port Adelaide he intends to stay at that club, serving as a senior assistant to Ken Hinkley. Richardson also knocked back an opportunity to be interviewed for both the Essendon and Brisbane coaching jobs.
Frustrated Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale confirmed St Kilda football boss Chris Pelchen had approached the Tigers' Daniel Richardson informing him that the Saints were interested in Williams. ''I'd like to think that St Kilda would accept and acknowledge the fact that Mark [Williams] is an extremely valued and highly competent employee of the Richmond Football Club,'' said Gale.
He said that in ''all the given circumstances, including the late nature of the approach, it wouldn't be an unreasonable position for us'' to insist Williams' contract is honoured.
Williams is midway through a two-year deal at Tigerland. When St Kilda came close to sacking Watters four weeks ago, the Port Adelaide premiership coach was at the top of the club's hit-list. But the fact St Kilda dragged its decision to remove Watters into November has proved a sticking point for several clubs, as well as the AFL Coaches Association.
The Tigers have changed their attitude since Melbourne chief Peter Jackson contacted Gale several months ago and informed him the Demons wanted to interview Williams once Richmond's season was completed.
Richmond's view - one that is shared by a number of clubs - is that losing a valued football staffer in September is vastly different to losing that same staffer in November, with most roles filled across the AFL and few strong candidates left.
Not only will the cash-strapped Saints be forced to pay Watters close to $500,000, they are now looking to take an assistant coach from a rival club as pre-season training is about to begin. Brett Ratten, who has also been publicly touted for the St Kilda job, has been studying in the US and is holidaying with his family in New York. He told the Hawks on Wednesday he had not been approached by the Saints.
Melbourne has yet to fill the much-heralded senior assistant's position with the incumbent expected to replace Paul Roos within three years. The Swans held firm on their assistant coach Stuart Dew, refusing to release him from his contract when Melbourne attempted to poach him.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/choco-block-tiges-may-step-in-20131106-2x1s5.html
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Has any AFL club ever paid financial compensation to another club for a coach?
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Dig your heels in Tiges. That pee-ant club won't know what hit them. :clapping
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Agree
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Yep screw stblunda
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Don't let him go Tiges, they can have Frawley.
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RFC should ask for financial compensation. I dont know what its worth but how much does a senior assistant cost these days in terms of wage $250,000?
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Creates a juggling act with the club desperate to retain quality personale, particularly at this late stage, but also being mindful not to create resentment from Chocco which would disrupt his output and loyalty next year. :juggle
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Have already lost Leppa.
To lose Chocco at this late stage with no quality replacement available disadvantages us greatly.
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Who replaced Leppa ?
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Who replaced Leppa ?
no-one
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Who replaced Leppa ?
no-one
Why ? Are we getting anyone or what
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Tigers powerless to stop Williams move: Frawley
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
November 7, 2013 2:31 PM
RICHMOND doesn't have a case to prevent assistant coach Mark Williams from pursuing the senior job at St Kilda, according to the AFL Coaches Association.
By sacking coach Scott Watters as preparation for the 2014 season gets underway, the Saints have unsettled opposition clubs who had finalised their coaching structures.
Highly valued at Punt Road, Williams was set to continue as the Tigers' head of development in 2014, guiding and mentoring the club's young players.
However, he is seen as the No.1 candidate to take over from Watters, with St Kilda reportedly declaring their interest to the Tigers this week.
AFLCA chief executive Danny Frawley said Richmond had little choice but to release Williams if he was offered the senior job with the Saints.
"They haven't got a case," Frawley told AFL.com.au.
"There's nothing they can do if he's offered the senior role at St Kilda.
"They could offer him a longer-term deal, but it's very hard to stop an assistant becoming a senior coach.
"That's a job promotion, so there's not a lot the Tigers can do, I wouldn't have thought."
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale told The Age it wouldn't be unreasonable for the club to insist Williams honoured the final year of his contract.
"I'd like to think that St Kilda would accept and acknowledge the fact that Mark [Williams] is an extremely valued and highly competent employee of the Richmond Football Club," Gale said.
A premiership coach with Port Adelaide in 2004, Williams also coached the Power to the 2007 Grand Final before stepping down in 2010 after 11 years.
He spent two seasons under Kevin Sheedy at Greater Western Sydney before joining the Tigers at the end of the 2012 season.
Richmond, which will have a standalone VFL team in 2014, has boosted its development resources and views the area as a priority.
Rather than directly replace new Brisbane Lions coach Justin Leppitsch, the Tigers secured Max Bailey and Andrew McQualter in development roles.
"Development is a big part of any club and will only become a bigger part going forward, particularly at Richmond," football manager Dan Richardson said recently.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-07/choco-can-move-aflca
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Well I guess that's that then now that Spud has come out and said this.
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Well I guess that's that then now that Spud has come out and said this.
It all depends on the exact wording of his contract. It is only this that may legally bind him to the club.
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But YBB based on Benny's comments, if he gets the gig at the Aint's, we are not going to stand in his way.
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We need to make up a scandal involving Chocco and a dwarf!
Now!
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Could just get one of Kingy's mates to offer Choco an offer he can't refuse.
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Tigers tighten grip on Choco
richmondfc.com.au
November 7, 2013 2:55 PM
Richmond hasn’t ruled out blocking a prospective St Kilda bid to appoint Mark Williams as its senior coach.
The vastly-experienced, highly-regarded Williams, who is midway through a two-year deal as Richmond’s senior development coach, is reportedly one of the leading candidates for the position vacated when St Kilda sacked Scott Watters last Friday.
Richmond is wary of the potential disruption to its own plans for 2014.
“I’d like to think that St Kilda would accept and acknowledge the fact that Mark (Williams) is an extremely valued and highly competent employee of the Richmond Football Club,” the Tigers’ chief executive Brendon Gale told ‘The Age’.
“In all the given circumstances, including the late nature of the approach, it (insisting Williams’ contract is honoured) wouldn’t be an unreasonable position for us.
“We will await the outcome of St Kilda’s process before making a decision.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-11-07/tigers-tighten-grip-on-choco
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Saints should fold. If they didn't win a flag in the last ten they in trouble for the foreseeable futire
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what a crock of poo this story is
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The thing that surprises me in all this is why someone with Choco's reputation would risk all that to go to a rabble of a club that has all but thrown their hands in the air for the next few years. They are in a horrible position list-wise and cannot possibly rise to a tilt at success within the next foreseeable 3-5 years. This isn't Meltank who have had the AFL come to their rescue to the tune of millions of $$s and plum appointments, this is St Failure who have plummeted back to the bottom all on their own with no white knight visible on the horizon. We can only hope he sees them for what they are and decides that a premiership with us in the next year or 2 is far more appealing.
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Even if he doesn't achieve ultimate success there, he wants to coach and improving that rabble will increase his rep, not to mention the significant pay increase if he gets the gig.
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I get the $$s TM and that has got to play a big part in any decision but Choco comes across as a man with no shortage of ego and I just can't relate that to the high possibility of failure in taking that rabble on. Their problems go much deeper than just their list and he wasn't able to stem the bleeding at Port (where he was held in very high regard as a favourite son) when they started to falter.
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I think the point here is that the headline was an opportunity missed, surely it could've been
"Benny Gale chockablock up Saints Michael Nettlefold over coach poach"
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight interviewed Choco today and Choco said he had a meeting with the Saints today. Stevens said Williams and Saints' assistant coach Adam Kingsley were the leading two contenders vying for the St Kilda job.
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Saints should hire a coach from New Zealand, someone who can also help them re locate in a couple of years time....
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St Kilda begins interviews for new coach, no sign of Robert Harvey
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
November 08, 2013 10:00PM
MARK Williams is the raging favourite for St Kilda's senior role, but club legend Robert Harvey will not be the successor to sacked coach Scott Watters.
St Kilda has interviewed a handful of candidates this week and expects to start second-round interviews as early as Monday.
But while Harvey was raised as a contender last week, it is understood he has not been contacted by the St Kilda coaching selection panel.
He has an expanded role as a senior assistant at Collingwood and is happy at the Westpac Centre.
The dual Brownlow medallist is aware he still needs to grow in his role and will be handed considerable responsibilities by Nathan Buckley over the coming pre-season.
Port Adelaide premiership coach Williams has been one of a handful of senior assistants interviewed already since Watters' sacking last Monday.
Port Adelaide senior assistant Alan Richardson told St Kilda days ago he was not interested, with current Saints assistants Adam Kingsley and Simon McPhee also interviewed by the panel.
Ex-Carlton coach Brett Ratten has not been contacted and former Brisbane coach Michael Voss is also set for a TV special comments role rather than returning to coaching next year.
It is not known if ex-Essendon coach Matthew Knights is still be considered, or if other left-field candidates have emerged.
But Williams clearly has the rails run, as industry figures scoffed at talk Richmond might stop him from moving to a senior coaching role.
AFL Coaches' Association boss Danny Frawley said yesterday there was no precedent for a club to stop an assistant coach being promoted to a head role elsewhere.
"If a coach at another club gets approved by St Kilda and offered the job I think the industry would see fit to have him released to a senior position,'' he told the Herald Sun.
"It would not be ideal to lose a senior person this late but I would have thought if someone gets a senior coaching role, their club would release them."
St Kilda is not believed to be interested in a succession plan, but is aware if Williams was to be appointed he would need strong direction from the football department.
He is a football genius but with a strong eccentric streak, with Richmond coach Damien Hardwick and Brendon Gale both jokingly describing him as "mad" this year.
Williams case was pushed by new defender Josh Bruce yesterday, who played under him at Greater Western Sydney.
"Choco was great," Bruce said yesterday.
"He's a really good teacher of young players. I think he'd be quite suitable for this group, as well as many other coaches who've been thrown up there.
"If Choco were to come to the Saints, obviously he'd be welcomed here with open arms and I'd love to be under his tutelage again. He's a fantastic coach."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-begins-interviews-for-new-coach-no-sign-of-robert-harvey/story-fndv8ufg-1226756061984#mm-breached
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Tudor would be a better fit imo, but it's looking like Choco might be heading to Seaford.
The one benefit from all this is that Martin signed on the dotted line while we still had Choco at the club.
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There is no benefit to choco leaving
The club will go searching for duds to replace choco cause gun assistants like Tudor have already been taken
Look around who is left? Leppa and choco left and we went and signed mcqualter instead of hitting up quality assistants
Amateurs
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as if you, or any of us, would have slightest of clues as how good mcqualter is as a development coach.
In hindsight, this constant threat of choco leaving every time a coaching position became vacant was always going to happen. Even if he doesnt get this gig, it is only a matter of time before he gets a senior coaching job elsewhere.
That is the other side of the coin when getting a proven coach in as an assistant.
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standyby for the RFC to launch a writ against the st Kilda FC for unspecified damages due to invoking a breach of contract. :shh..this poos about to get serious
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I agree Al ,Mcqualter might prove to be an inspired choice.
I'm sure RFC knew that choccos tenure was going to be short
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Yep, wouldn't surprise me at all if mcqualter was made head of development on a long term deal :shh
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What, exactly is that based on Bojo?
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@Kelzdab - "Kingsley huh, you may want to take a screen shot of your tweet a couple of weeks ago ;)"
@BrettAndersonIF - "Good mail!! That was the day of Watters sacking I think!! He's right in the mix."
Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF 1 Nov
Wouldn't mind a bit of Adam Kingsley at $41 to be the Saints next coach. Should be a quarter of that price. Lauded by the players. #AFL
Let's hope the Saints do choose Kingsley :pray.
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What, exactly is that based on Bojo?
His mail which is impeccably never wrong
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What, exactly is that based on Bojo?
Kidding , am majorly peeed at this as the plan was for Williams to mentor mcqualter and bailey over next couple of years. Shaun wren may come into calcs or Andy Collins
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I would be happy with Andy Collins coming to the club (or back if you count his Coburg time as Richmond time).
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I would be happy with Andy Collins coming to the club (or back if you count his Coburg time as Richmond time).
Coaching Williamstown IIRC
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I would be happy with Andy Collins coming to the club (or back if you count his Coburg time as Richmond time).
Coaching Williamstown IIRC
Yep, 3 year deal
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send a ucking bomb to seaford
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Shortlist down to 5 - Choco, Adam Kingsley, Simon McPhee (who coached the Saints' VFL team this year) and two assistant coaches from other AFL clubs.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/st-kilda-cuts-to-shortlist-for-new-coach-20131110-2x9vk.html#ixzz2kGKgLQpJ
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Shortlist down to 5 - Choco, Adam Kingsley, Simon McPhee (who coached the Saints' VFL team this year) and two assistant coaches from other AFL clubs.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/st-kilda-cuts-to-shortlist-for-new-coach-20131110-2x9vk.html#ixzz2kGKgLQpJ
It's a weird process.
Chocco and a bunch of no names....if it was a legitimate process and they wanted experience, wouldn't they have Ratten, Voss, Knights, Worsfold etc in the mix.
I think Chocco is all but gone, clearly they've head hunted him and turning the process into a mockery to make it look like due diligence.
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Correct TT
Shortlist. Lol
There is no short list lets be honest
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What a rabble of a club to walk into, I guess the only way is up. If Choco accepts then he must think that he's up for the challenge. Good luck to him.
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i reckon sir alex ferguson would struggle
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The thought of being told you're coaching St Kilda ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYwLzcjCUAAcaHM.jpg:large) (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/11/11/307490.jpg)
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Those pics are from today's first training session with the young guys.
I think it's inappropriate for Chocco to be there until the Saints saga plays out.
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The thought of being told you're coaching St Kilda ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYwLzcjCUAAcaHM.jpg:large) (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/11/11/307490.jpg)
:lol
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Mark Stevens on Ch7 saying Adam Kingsley massive chance to coach the Saints
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Mark Stevens on Ch7 saying Adam Kingsley massive chance to coach the Saints
:pray
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Mark Stevens on Ch7 saying Adam Kingsley massive chance to coach the Saints
Fingers crossed! (but not holding my breath) :/
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Feel only way Choco won't get it is if he doesn't want it. Also feel there is a fair chance he won't want it. The guy is crazy not stuffing nuts.
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Yeah, he's cray in a good way, like lobster.
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Length of tenure only sticking point to Mark Williams signing at St Kilda
Greg Denham
The Australian
November 12, 2013
MARK Williams and St Kilda need to overcome one final hurdle for the Port Adelaide premiership coach to be appointed as the Saints' new senior coach.
Williams wants a five-year deal, but the Saints have baulked at the length of the contract he requires. St Kilda, which will pay him about $600,000 a year, favours a three-year offer.
As soon as both parties agree on the term of the new arrangement at the latest AFL club in crisis, Williams' appointment will become official, and that is expected within a week.
With a compromise between the parties expected, Williams will officially replace Scott Watters before next week's national draft.
Watters' shock axing last Friday week will be a major distraction to Richmond where Williams was to have entered the final season of an initial two-year contract as a development coach. The 2004 Port Adelaide premiership coach was lured to Punt Road after leaving Greater Western Sydney following the Giants' first season at the elite level. His departure followed GWS's failure to honour a promise to appoint him senior coach following Kevin Sheedy's recent retirement.
Despite being disadvantaged by losing the highly valued Williams from their staff, the Tigers will not stand in his way.
- See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/length-of-tenure-only-sticking-point-to-mark-williams-signing-at-st-kilda/story-fnca0u4y-1226757666126#sthash.ALz5aO6B.dpuf
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Will end in tears
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Will end in tears
Agree...personality combustion.
Will be similar to Malcolm Blight's reign at St Failda
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Tear for Richmond
Leppich, choko no replacement
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5 years? :pray
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Saints only want 3 years so they can then hand a primed playing list over to Harvey
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Saints only want 3 years so they can then hand a primed playing list over to Harvey
They'd prefer 2 so they can knife him in the back mid-contract.
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Fingers crossed nobody budges and he stays.
Seriously though you'd think RFC had planned for this the very moment we landed him.
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Fingers crossed nobody budges and he stays.
Seriously though you'd think RFC had planned for this the very moment we landed him.
End of the day we were lucky to get him for a year. Could have got the GWS job last year and we wouldn't have got him.
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Williams firms for Saints job as Richardson says no
Ashley Browne
afl.com.au
November 12, 2013 6:55 PM
PORT Adelaide's 2004 premiership coach Mark Williams remains the firm favourite to become the next coach of St Kilda after Alan Richardson again indicated he would not seek the position.
The Saints were hopeful that Richardson would apply for the position and it is understood there was contact between the club and Port's head of coaching and strategy in Adelaide over the weekend.
But he released a statement on the Port Adelaide website late on Tuesday, stating yet again he was not interested replacing Scott Watters at St Kilda.
"I have made it clear I have no interest in the St Kilda coaching position," Richardson said.
"I am not being interviewed, as suggested, and am very happy in my role at Port Adelaide."
Richardson has been director of coaching and strategy for the Power for the last 12 months after working at Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs, and the club has been thrilled with the partnership he formed with senior coach Ken Hinkley. The pair, both in their first year with Port, guided the club to an unlikely sixth-place finish in 2013.
The Saints want to have the position filled by next Monday so that the new coach can represent the club at meetings between the coaches and the AFL next week and then attend the NAB AFL Draft next Thursday on the Gold Coast.
Williams, head of development at Richmond for the past 12 months, presented well for the St Kilda position late last week, while also interviewed were Sandringham VFL coach Simon McPhee and assistant coach Adam Kingsley, another with ties to the Power.
Sources close to the Saints say it is not correct that Williams is seeking a five-year deal from the Saints and it is believed he would accept a three or four-year arrangement, which is what St Kilda will offer.
The only coach from five years ago still in charge at the same club is Hawthorn's Alastair Clarkson.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-12/richardson-ruled-out
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Cotch, when interviewed today, was talking as if Choco could be going :-\.
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St Kilda circles Richmond assistant Mark Williams for top job
Grant Baker
From: Herald Sun
November 12, 2013 6:11PM
MARK Williams continues to firm as favourite for the top job at St Kilda, with the club believed to have completed interviews with all candidates.
It is understood the club has had discussions with Williams about terms as it searches to replace Scott Watters.
But the club has closely guarded the identity of another viable candidate, believed to be working as an assistant coach at another club.
St Kilda's internal candidates - Simon McPhee and Adam Kinglsey - are understood to have impressed during the selection process but are not thought to be in the running for the senior role.
Club great Robert Harvey - an assistant coach at Collingwood - ruled himself out of the running over the weekend.
Port Adelaide director of coaching Alan Richardson quickly quashed a rumour he was still in the running for the job.
"I have made it clear I have no interest in the St Kilda coaching position," Richardson said.
St Kilda remains confident it will have a senior coach in place for the start of full-squad pre-season training on Monday.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-circles-richmond-assistant-mark-williams-for-top-job/story-fnelctok-1226758480543
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Yet some of u were touching yourselves at the thought they would choose those other no names
The reason is we won't replace leppa and choco is maybe cause there's no one descent left
What a debacle. We waited and waited and now are screwed and now 2 men short heading into pre season
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Yet some of u were touching yourselves at the thought they would choose those other no names
The reason is we won't replace leppa and choco is maybe cause there's no one descent left
What a debacle. We waited and waited and now are screwed and now 2 men short heading into pre season
Sets us up for a crap year.
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It's a shame hardwick is so incapable
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Yet some of u were touching yourselves at the thought they would choose those other no names
The reason is we won't replace leppa and choco is maybe cause there's no one descent left
What a debacle. We waited and waited and now are screwed and now 2 men short heading into pre season
are you saying we should have replaced choco months ago?
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Bents, this is what i was talking about.
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Yet some of u were touching yourselves at the thought they would choose those other no names
The reason is we won't replace leppa and choco is maybe cause there's no one descent left
What a debacle. We waited and waited and now are screwed and now 2 men short heading into pre season
are you saying we should have replaced choco months ago?
Interesting to here the response...
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Bents, this is what i was talking about.
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Yet some of u were touching yourselves at the thought they would choose those other no names
The reason is we won't replace leppa and choco is maybe cause there's no one descent left
What a debacle. We waited and waited and now are screwed and now 2 men short heading into pre season
are you saying we should have replaced choco months ago?
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Bents, this is what i was talking about.
did i say we should've replaced choco months ago? Your clutching there pal as usual. Im not claw your malakaias doesn't work with me.
i said we waited and waited in that highly fanced assistants like tudor and even to a lesser extent Craig and Brown who were also around the mark and available when leppa left but in our wildest wisdom we did nothing. Choco soon to go and now some of you and the club are tearing up cause the saints poached choco and talk of a farcical road block. Please.
The club is only peeed off cause they were left wanting and didnt act sooner when leppa left instead of saying "we are not going to replace him" My question is why not?" we had money in the coffers and other donations so why would we think an assistant less would be the right way to go
1 man down you can handle but 2 man down makes you start asking questions. Spent time signing up those mclovin spud from stkilda where after leppa was signed we shouldve kicked into gear. We pay our FTF fund to clear the debt so we can get the best and IMO we dont have the best at the minute.
Also if as some of you have said the club was well prepared for choco leaving then why would they not replace leppa? Surely 1 man down with the possibility of another going esp with the stkilda rumours persisting, would make you act quicker. Not at punt road.
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Going on a head count we are more staffed than last year
If Choco goes we're back to level neville
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Going on a head count we are more staffed than last year
If Choco goes we're back to level neville
Not Richmond's fault either.
They did the hard work to get Choco to Tigerland.
Saints inept and poach him right when we need him as our preseason starts.
Not happy Jan.
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Does Sheeds still have a role at GWS? What about bringing Pagan out of retirement, or how about the Port Melbourne Mullet?
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Does Sheeds still have a role at GWS? What about bringing Pagan out of retirement, or how about the Port Melbourne Mullet?
Sheeds - yes staying with GWS in a marketing role
Pagan - making big $$ as an Estate Agent
Ayres - time has passed so pass ;D
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Year Bailey and mcwaket better options that Ayers :whistle
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Year Bailey and mcwaket better options that Ayers :whistle
Bailey & McQualter are development coaches and development coaches are in a lot of cases recently retired players (eg Joel Corey at the Bulldogs). Choco is probably one of the exceptions because of his history with younger players originally at Port when he moulded them into a premiership side. But one of his roles now as Senior Development Coach is to not only develop players but young coaches as well.
Ayres has been out of the AFL system for what nearly 10 years? And what was his record like at developing players at Adel & geelong? Think he inherited fairly strong lists at both of those. As for Port Melb; being one of the wealthier clubs in the VFL they can spend on players and they do, hence why they have (compared to other VFL lists) an older list. Yes they bring in kids but they are more likely found running around in the development league not in the senior side
So yes based on that the 2 young coaches we've bought in are probably a better option at this stage.
TBH I am not sure why people are bagging Bailey. I think as a development coach he's an astute pick up. He went through a helluva lot with 4 (or was it 3?) knee recos. So he knows a bit about the tough times in footy and fighting through adversity to keep playing. That is IMHO something that could well be invaluable to our players if they have to face long stints on the sidelines
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Don't replace him and spend the money on the PRO upgrade for our VFL team (not the reserves) to play on.
:cheers
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Some news coming up on fox about against coaching backflip ? Whatever that means!
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Some news coming up on fox about against coaching backflip ? Whatever that means!
Richardson will get the gig
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Some news coming up on fox about against coaching backflip ? Whatever that means!
Probably this about Richardson changing his mind and is now applying for the St Kilda job...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-13/richardson-changes-mind
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^ there you go hope so, wouldn't want to begrudge choco but the tigers come first
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So there's a glimmer of hope in us keeping Choco yet!
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Lol what a terrible terrible club that rabble at Seaford are. They don't know what they want.
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dont tell me i've been getting worked up over nothing and making a fool of myself again??? :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Some news coming up on fox about against coaching backflip ? Whatever that means!
Richardson will get the gig
Saints are denying it on their website.
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SEN are saying Richardson has accepted the job.
St Rabble are saying on their web-site and twitter that the SEN report is not true
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SEN are saying Richardson has accepted the job.
:pray
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for him to backflip like that, its a done deal... much like Hinkley when he got the job at Port after initially declining to interview
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/alan-richardson-to-coach-st-kilda-report-20131113-2xfn9.html
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3AW Sports Today @3AWSportsToday twitter:
"@MatthewLloyd18 Richardson could be announced as the Senior coach as soon as tomorrow"
:pray
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poo coach, poo list, poo future
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Yet some of u were touching yourselves at the thought they would choose those other no names
The reason is we won't replace leppa and choco is maybe cause there's no one descent left
What a debacle. We waited and waited and now are screwed and now 2 men short heading into pre season
are you saying we should have replaced choco months ago?
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Bents, this is what i was talking about.
did i say we should've replaced choco months ago? Your clutching there pal as usual. Im not claw your malakaias doesn't work with me.
i said we waited and waited in that highly fanced assistants like tudor and even to a lesser extent Craig and Brown who were also around the mark and available when leppa left but in our wildest wisdom we did nothing. Choco soon to go and now some of you and the club are tearing up cause the saints poached choco and talk of a farcical road block. Please.
The club is only peeed off cause they were left wanting and didnt act sooner when leppa left instead of saying "we are not going to replace him" My question is why not?" we had money in the coffers and other donations so why would we think an assistant less would be the right way to go
1 man down you can handle but 2 man down makes you start asking questions. Spent time signing up those mclovin spud from stkilda where after leppa was signed we shouldve kicked into gear. We pay our FTF fund to clear the debt so we can get the best and IMO we dont have the best at the minute.
Also if as some of you have said the club was well prepared for choco leaving then why would they not replace leppa? Surely 1 man down with the possibility of another going esp with the stkilda rumours persisting, would make you act quicker. Not at punt road.
waiting and waiting is completely different to doing nothing, unless you want to say doing nothing is waiting indefinately. :huh
correct, you are not claw, this convoluted, irrational, ignorant response surpasses anything he has put forward.
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Yet some of u were touching yourselves at the thought they would choose those other no names
The reason is we won't replace leppa and choco is maybe cause there's no one descent left
What a debacle. We waited and waited and now are screwed and now 2 men short heading into pre season
are you saying we should have replaced choco months ago?
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Bents, this is what i was talking about.
did i say we should've replaced choco months ago? Your clutching there pal as usual. Im not claw your malakaias doesn't work with me.
i said we waited and waited in that highly fanced assistants like tudor and even to a lesser extent Craig and Brown who were also around the mark and available when leppa left but in our wildest wisdom we did nothing. Choco soon to go and now some of you and the club are tearing up cause the saints poached choco and talk of a farcical road block. Please.
The club is only peeed off cause they were left wanting and didnt act sooner when leppa left instead of saying "we are not going to replace him" My question is why not?" we had money in the coffers and other donations so why would we think an assistant less would be the right way to go
1 man down you can handle but 2 man down makes you start asking questions. Spent time signing up those mclovin spud from stkilda where after leppa was signed we shouldve kicked into gear. We pay our FTF fund to clear the debt so we can get the best and IMO we dont have the best at the minute.
Also if as some of you have said the club was well prepared for choco leaving then why would they not replace leppa? Surely 1 man down with the possibility of another going esp with the stkilda rumours persisting, would make you act quicker. Not at punt road.
waiting and waiting is completely different to doing nothing, unless you want to say doing nothing is waiting indefinately. :huh
correct, you are not claw, this convoluted, irrational, ignorant response surpasses anything he has put forward.
exactly the response i thought would come from you.
Edited, no need for the childish snipe
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Caro reporting that Richardson will named St Rabble coach tomorrow. Her story has quotes from Port Adelaide's CEO basically confirming it
So all those who carried on about losing Choco, you can all settle down now, relax, chill as Choco stays. :rollin
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:lol no need to snip that billy. Mum thought it was quite funny.
You should be speaker for the parliament......
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At some point we will probably lose chocco..A senior spot will come his way if he wants it.
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At some point we will probably lose chocco..A senior spot will come his way if he wants it.
Hopefully we will be on our way to winning a flag by then…..or at least very close to one! :thumbsup
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:ROTFL
cot sniffers
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So what happens now? Can we sack him so we still have something to whinge and be perpetually bitter about?
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Caro and Jon Ralph running with the Saints snare Alan Richardson story ...
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/saints-snare-alan-richardson-20131113-2xgx1.html
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/alan-richardson-is-set-to-backflip-and-accept-the-st-kilda-head-coaching-role/story-fni5ezdm-1226759243729
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Koshi on Channel 7 just said that saints will have to talk to port because as far as they are concerned Richardson is contracted. Also said they have matched what the Saints will pay. Not sure this is over yet.
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Koshi on Channel 7 just said that saints will have to talk to port because as far as they are concerned Richardson is contracted. Also said they have matched what the Saints will pay. Not sure this is over yet.
They played a snippet on SEN of koche having a sook. Sounds like he end up staying. But I hope he goes leaving choco with us. Koche asked why they should be disadvantaged? I agree about St Kildas ineptness but we should not be disadvantaged either
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So Kochie sticks the boots in and says Port may not let Richardson out of his contract, that they are frustrated because St Rabble have left things so late (pre-season has started Kochie says) and he gets applauded for it.
Caros' original article about the Tigers bascially says the same thing, highlighting the RFC's annoyance at the lateness of St Rabble's decision to sack their coach and then going after contracted staff at other clubs and most in the industry shrugg it off.
So you have to wonder where was Kochie and his views on this debacle last week? Or is it only an issue now because one of his staff is being targeted.
It doesn't matter who gets the job it is going to be disprutive to at least 1 AFL club (probably more) the whole thing is a joke but hey after 150+ years of failure what else would anyone have expected ;D
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PAFC should of had a replacement weeks ago instead of sitting around waiting ::)
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It doesn't matter who gets the job it is going to be disprutive to at least 1 AFL club (probably more) the whole thing is a joke but hey after 150+ years of failure what else would anyone have expected ;D
Isn't the assistant at the Saints in the running?
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PAFC should of had a replacement weeks ago instead of sitting around waiting ::)
Did they lose a key coach to become senior coach at. Brisbane, too?
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It doesn't matter who gets the job it is going to be disprutive to at least 1 AFL club (probably more) the whole thing is a joke but hey after 150+ years of failure what else would anyone have expected ;D
Isn't the assistant at the Saints in the running?
not now ::)
Yeah they interviewed 2 of thier assistants but "blind freddy" could see thay had primary 2 targets. Richardson who originally said "not interested" but then did the biggest blackflip and Choco.
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PAFC should of had a replacement weeks ago instead of sitting around waiting ::)
Yeah clearly all clubs should have just in case.
The angst people have shown taking pot shots from the cheap seats at the RFC about supposedly "waiting around" have been laughable. How has the club been waiting around exactly?
Watters was sacked 2 weeks ago (read Nov 1st). All clubs had their season 2014 appointments done & dusted by mid-October. So how could our club or any club have known what was going to happen. How could any club plan for that.
The names bandied about by some as people we should have gone after (eg Tudor) were appointed at their new clubs way before Watters was sacked, so therefore before their was any chance that we could lose Choco Williams. As for the suggestion that we should have hired Tudor over McQualter & Bailey is pointless because Tudor is a senior assistant, line coach not a development coach - they are different roles that have very different primary focuses
Are people seriously suggesting that we should've hired someone just in case in Nov another AFL club sacked it coach?
PAFC should of had a replacement weeks ago instead of sitting around waiting ::)
Did they lose a key coach to become senior coach at. Brisbane, too?
Leppa going to Brisbane and this St Rabble debacle are very different situations, not sure how you can link the 2 TBH
Leppa got the Brisbane gig in early October when most clubs are hiring and firing in their footy Depts. At that time the Club decided not appoint a replacement assistant coach. Instead they decided to beef up development with 2 new developemnt coaches. One of the reasons being the fact that we are establishing our own VFL side. All makes sense IMHO
What we have now is a situation outside what normally happens in the industry that I doubt no club could have envisaged let alone planned for.
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you make too much sense billy. i think you need to hand yourself an infraction notice
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PAFC should of had a replacement weeks ago instead of sitting around waiting ::)
Yeah clearly all clubs should have just in case.
The angst people have shown taking pot shots from the cheap seats at the RFC about supposedly "waiting around" have been laughable. How has the club been waiting around exactly?
Watters was sacked 2 weeks ago (read Nov 1st). All clubs had their season 2014 appointments done & dusted by mid-October. So how could our club or any club have known what was going to happen. How could any club plan for that.
The names bandied about by some as people we should have gone after (eg Tudor) were appointed at their new clubs way before Watters was sacked, so therefore before their was any chance that we could lose Choco Williams. As for the suggestion that we should have hired Tudor over McQualter & Bailey is pointless because Tudor is a senior assistant, line coach not a development coach - they are different roles that have very different primary focuses
Are people seriously suggesting that we should've hired someone just in case in Nov another AFL club sacked it coach?
PAFC should of had a replacement weeks ago instead of sitting around waiting ::)
Did they lose a key coach to become senior coach at. Brisbane, too?
Leppa going to Brisbane and this St Rabble debacle are very different situations, not sure how you can link the 2 TBH
Leppa got the Brisbane gig in early October when most clubs are hiring and firing in their footy Depts. At that time the Club decided not appoint a replacement assistant coach. Instead they decided to beef up development with 2 new developemnt coaches. One of the reasons being the fact that we are establishing our own VFL side. All makes sense IMHO
What we have now is a situation outside what normally happens in the industry that I doubt no club could have envisaged let alone planned for.
yes they are different WP but when leppa left they had time to replace him and with other suitable candidates so why announce they arent replacing him. If they are prepared for choco leaving as some have said wouldnt you try and get someone in. Bailey and mcqualter would cost peanuts.
We have money in the bank so why not use it. the only plausible reason is they are wanting the funds for PRO as someone said on here and that i can understand.
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yes they are different WP but when leppa left they had time to replace him and with other suitable candidates so why announce they arent replacing him. If they are prepared for choco leaving as some have said wouldnt you try and get someone in.
Who has said "they are prepared for Choco leaving"? Are you talking about this St Rabble debacle because as I said NO club would be prpepared for losing a member of staff when most sides are about to start pre-season training
No doubt the club would be prepared for Choco or any other coach leaving for a senior gig at the end of a season which is the traditionall time for it = Sept/early Oct. Not mid Nov a week out from the draft
They clearly had a plan in the Leppa situation and their view was that they wouldn't replace him. That is how the Club decided to handle it. Now you and others clearly don't agree with that decision though many were extremely quiet about it at the time and it is only now that people are jumping up and down about that decision.
If Choco had of gotten that Bris job instead of Leppa there's no doubt he would have been replaced, the club would have had a target list for it. But at the time Leppa got the Bris job there was no chance of Choco leaving so what did the Club have to plan for exactly?
As for the scenario we've had the last fornight of the Club possibly losing Choco; well I repeat there is absoulutely no way we could have planned for it, no Club could have
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Yep, you can't plan for another club's ineptness and incompetency. Port are now publicly ticked off with St Kilda over losing Alan Richardson.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-14/saints-under-the-koch
Richmond development coach Mark Williams was also in the running for the role but now looks set to remain at Punt Road.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-14/richardson-to-be-sworn-in
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PAFC should of had a replacement weeks ago instead of sitting around waiting ::)
:ROTFL
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Apparently St Kilda are having a press conference at 3pm.
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PAFC should of had a replacement weeks ago instead of sitting around waiting ::)
:ROTFL
:ROTFL :ROTFL
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LMAO@ Kochie talking tough..... :rollin
Kochie: "Stop!!!"
StKilda: "Or what??"
Kochie: "Or I'll say STOP again!!"
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Presser now at 5pm.
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Cant even organise themselves for a presser poor old St Rabble ;D
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LMAO@ Kochie talking tough..... :rollin
Kochie: "Stop!!!"
StKilda: "Or what??"
Kochie: "Or I'll say STOP again!!"
Well I know its not the done thing to stop assistants going to top jobs but this late is a new thing and they can in fact hold him to the contract. Not sure they would but they could.
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Cant even organise themselves for a presser poor old St Rabble ;D
Apparently a Dwarf convention was using the lectern.
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Cant even organise themselves for a presser poor old St Rabble ;D
Apparently a Dwarf convention was using the lectern.
As a siege weapon to break into the cupboard above the fridge
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Has the Sky fallen yet?
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Cant even organise themselves for a presser poor old St Rabble ;D
Apparently a Dwarf convention was using the lectern.
F*** the lectern Iain, the enormity of the object was somewhat diminished...
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Great news.
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Never in doubt
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Never in doubt
gold :lol
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Stripes didn't you say a couple of days ago Choco was a definite to go to St. Kilda? What was the term you used?
Now I cannot find your post.
Strange??
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:dancing
Stripes didn't you say a couple of days ago Choco was a definite to go to St. Kilda? What was the term you used?
Now I cannot find your post.
Strange??
From what is being said on the airwaves at sen (so take it with a grain of salt) apparently it was as close to done as it gets, but it soured when choco insisted on 5 years and the saints only wanted to offer 3.
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This is very good for our players and the club. I hope he is still with us when Dusty's new contract is due in 2 years.
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Stripes didn't you say a couple of days ago Choco was a definite to go to St. Kilda? What was the term you used?
Now I cannot find your post.
Strange??
As tony already mentioned, it was almost a given at that stage. Only a backflip by Richardson at the 11th hour saw Choco miss out on the job. I'm sad for Chocco personally but wrapped he is staying with us! :dogdance
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Who cares - I follow Stripes's sentiments.
Sad for Choco personally as it would appear he still harbours aspirations of being top dog.
From RFC perspective - absolutley wrapped we have him. If we can keep him for another 2 years - that would be fantastic. Great development for our kids.
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Never in doubt
:lol :lol :bow
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Glad to have back for 2014! :)
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Never in doubt
:lol :lol :bow
hahaha i thought so
u gotta laugh at yourself from time to time lifes too serious