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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 21, 2013, 07:35:50 PM
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Welcome Ben :)
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Not that happy
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Mrakov....why not?
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:gotigers
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Pick 12 Ben Lennon Richmond
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/Draft/2013/LENNON-Ben.jpg)
Former club: Northern Knights
DOB: 05/07/1995
Height: 188cm
Weight: 77kg
Position: Forward
Games: 15
Goals: 21
Avg Kicks: 13.9
Avg Marks: 5.9
Avg Handballs: 4.8
Player assessment
Medium forward who is an outstanding overhead mark and user of the ball by either hand or foot. Tracks the ball brilliantly in the air, but is just as clean and competitive at ground level. Earned All Australian honours in 2013. Graduate of the AIS AFL Academy.
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=591358
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Mrakov....why not?
Who cares? A great pick up.
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:clapping
Welcome Ben.
There is already pressure building on our outside mids to hold their spot ;D
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Look I have to say the truth I actually like this selection for us. For where we were in the draft Ben Lennon is a good pick for us. Well done to him and hopefully he becomes the player we all hope. :pray
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Happy jaws
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Lenno :clapping
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Do we nickname him Yoko or John?
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Mrakov....why not?
Mostly coz he has a fat head.
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Do we nickname him Yoko or John?
na, Julian I reckon.
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Mrakov....why not?
Mostly coz he has a fat head.
Ahhhhh, someone using cutting edge science to form his opinions!
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Do we nickname him Yoko or John?
Oh no ::)
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2013 National Draft: Pick 12 – Ben Lennon
richmondfc.com.au
November 21, 2013 7:34 PM
“Ben had another strong year in 2013, establishing himself as one of the more talented players in this year’s draft pool,” said Richmond’s Recruiting Manager Francis Jackson.
“Ben is an outstanding mark for his size and is a constant threat overhead.
“He sees the game unfolding better than most and is always getting himself into dangerous areas on the ground.
“With the footy in hand, he is extremely dangerous with his decision making and excellent foot skills.
“In time, we feel Ben will have the skill set and talent to play multiple positions on the ground – back, forward and through the midfield.
“We are excited to welcome Ben to the Club, and we are confident he will add class and flexibility to our team going forward.”
Lennon represented Vic Metro at this year’s under-18 championships and was rewarded for his impressive efforts there with All-Australian selection. He also was a star performer in the TAC Cup competition throughout the 2013 season.
The talented 18-year-old also was a member of the 2013 AIS-AFL Academy, and trained with Richmond for a brief period in January.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-11-21/2013-national-draft-pick-12-ben-lennon
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Do we nickname him Yoko or John?
Just keep him away from Chapman when we play Essendon ;D
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Do we nickname him Yoko or John?
Just keep him away from Chapman when we play Essendon ;D
:bow ;D :lol
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Can't believe we got this freak , once again fJ has trumped the pool :shh. .again :clapping
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:clapping will be a 400 game player
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Do we nickname him Yoko or John?
Just keep him away from Chapman when we play Essendon ;D
Just don't give Chappy a gun with four bullets!!! :whistle
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Welcome! Has some class, if he can step up and genuinely join the midfield rotation we will have smashed it with this guy.
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:clapping will be a 400 game player
He'll help us win those "must win" games too!!! :cheers
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:clapping will be a 400 game player
Needs to kick 1200 goals then to justify his selection :banghead
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Will he play round 1 ?
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No :banghead
Going one short in honour of Matt White
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We already know what he looks like in Richmond gear :thumbsup (the one on the left)
(http://www.richmondfc.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Richmond/Images/AIStigers.jpg)
More pics:
(http://www.richmondfc.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/296518-tlsnewsportrait.jpg) (http://cameronspink.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/76a2947.jpg)
(http://cameronspink.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/76a2650.jpg) (http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/Draft/2013/draft%20countdown/19_Ben-Lennon_Draft-Countdown-Article-Image.jpg)
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Do we nickname him Yoko or John?
Oh no ::)
:clapping
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Will he play round 1 ?
I think he will play round 2 against the enemy. :pray
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Will he play round 1 ?
I think he will play round 2 against the enemy. :pray
and he was a Carlton supporter too
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really like the comment in the paper that says "Wants the ball in his hands at the big moments" RFC havent had enough of these types. In the past weve had too many who are too happy to give the hospital handpass and put other blokes under the pump when the side needed someone to do something. Hopefully Ben fulfills his potential and shows us he can become a big game player who can do the job at the clutch moments.
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really like the comment in the paper that says "Wants the ball in his hands at the big moments" RFC havent had enough of these types. In the past weve had too many who are too happy to give the hospital handpass and put other blokes under the pump when the side needed someone to do something. Hopefully Ben fulfills his potential and shows us he can become a big game player who can do the job at the clutch moments.
Good comment, although he will have to get it off Vlaustin first.
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I am very pleased
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the new naife brown
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To be honest, his highlights are ok. Nothing magical about him. A good safe pick by the looks of it. But what's new!
It's pretty clear the Richmond hierarchy don't rate our current bunch of forwards, drafting 3 more.
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I think with Riewoldt Knights and Lennon we could have a decent forward line.
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To be honest, his highlights are ok. Nothing magical about him. A good safe pick by the looks of it. But what's new!
It's pretty clear the Richmond hierarchy don't rate our current bunch of forwards, drafting 3 more.
I think our small forward stocks have been quite poor so any improvement in that area is only a good thing for the team's development.
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I think with Riewoldt Knights and Lennon we could have a decent forward line.
Agreed. I think Knights showed this year he could really be a valuable contributor to our forward line.
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To be honest, his highlights are ok. Nothing magical about him. A good safe pick by the looks of it. But what's new!
It's pretty clear the Richmond hierarchy don't rate our current bunch of forwards, drafting 3 more.
He has been highly rated for a few years. He does have that magic of making things happen. Don't worry big tone,he is a keeper. :thumbsup
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To be honest, his highlights are ok. Nothing magical about him. A good safe pick by the looks of it. But what's new!
It's pretty clear the Richmond hierarchy don't rate our current bunch of forwards, drafting 3 more.
He has been highly rated for a few years. He does have that magic of making things happen. Don't worry big tone,he is a keeper. :thumbsup
Fingers crossed for him and us Tiger nuts. :thumbsup
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He's no Tom Boyd, but at Pick 12 he's a fantastic pick up. The best available well done RFC.
Reminds me of Stuart Dew.
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:thumbsup Big Lenno!
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He's no Tom Boyd, but at Pick 12 he's a fantastic pick up. The best available well done RFC.
Reminds me of Stuart Dew.
Is he fat
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To be honest, his highlights are ok. Nothing magical about him. A good safe pick by the looks of it. But what's new!
It's pretty clear the Richmond hierarchy don't rate our current bunch of forwards, drafting 3 more.
We haven't got a mid size goal kicking freak ::)have now :clapping
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Kicks "65 meters" :shh
Just set up griifiths martin Lennon from half way and ping them
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Got a nice set of hands on him. Steal traps, you might say.
Smooth kicking action and no trouble from 50. Looks beaut.
Get him on the flank round 1.
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Someone looked happy to be a Tiger when his name was called out ...
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/11/21/308231.jpg)
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Someone looked happy to be a Tiger when his name was called out ...
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/11/21/308231.jpg)
:clapping welcome aboard :thumbsup
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i dont want a pick 12 to be nothing but a forward. reckon hes capable of playing for/back and mid in time. lets hope he bocomes a real damaging mid as his primary role.
in the mean time with a kick on him like he has lets start him on a hbf. best place for newbies to learn the caper imo if they have the skills.
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i dont want a pick 12 to be nothing but a forward. reckon hes capable of playing for/back and mid in time. lets hope he bocomes a real damaging mid as his primary role.
in the mean time with a kick on him like he has lets start him on a hbf. best place for newbies to learn the caper imo if they have the skills.
I wonder who he would be a better kick than at our club
Dusty - yes
Foley - yes
Cotch?
Lids ?
Conca?
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Start him on a hbf, most definitely. Hopefully Luke Hodge like :shh
i dont mind if hes a full time forward if he 2-3 goals a game. With a forward line of Riewoldt, Martin, Cotchin, Knights, hopefully Deledio, King, Conca, Ellis, Mcbean, Vickery etc. Lennon might find himself with the worst defender and do some damage.
Coupled with his impressive kicking ability I wont lose sleep with "pick 12 to be nothing but a forward"
averaged the third most contested marks and score involvements in the national under-18 championships and registered the third best kicking efficiency in the top-20 ball winners in the TAC Cup, according to Champion Data.
After dominating games with his penetrating right-foot kicking on a back and forward flank, Lennon moved onto the ball late in the season to show he could win contested possessions in the midfield, and averaged 28 touches.
in his own words:
"I am ecstatic. All through the year I really wanted to get to Richmond after being at the club for a week in February, so it's really good. It was up the air, I thought pick 10 at Collingwood was a strong chance, but to get my name called out at Richmond, I am over the moon," Lennon said.
"I play a unique position and I have to work really hard to give myself a chance, and I am sure I can do that."
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i dont want a pick 12 to be nothing but a forward. reckon hes capable of playing for/back and mid in time. lets hope he bocomes a real damaging mid as his primary role.
in the mean time with a kick on him like he has lets start him on a hbf. best place for newbies to learn the caper imo if they have the skills.
I wonder who he would be a better kick than at our club
Dusty - yes
Foley - yes
Cotch?
Lids ?
Conca?
Lids > Dusty > Cotch > Conca > Foley
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i dont want a pick 12 to be nothing but a forward. reckon hes capable of playing for/back and mid in time. lets hope he bocomes a real damaging mid as his primary role.
in the mean time with a kick on him like he has lets start him on a hbf. best place for newbies to learn the caper imo if they have the skills.
Agree, he probably gets made to earn it but hopefully gets Vlastuin's spot. Vlastuin takes Tucky's place in the guts.
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Someone looked happy to be a Tiger when his name was called out ...
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/11/21/308231.jpg)
Yep Mum looks rapted :rollin
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Play him forward
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Great pick up, should target round one, watched the draft with my 16 year old son.....he can't wait.... ;D
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Someone looked happy to be a Tiger when his name was called out ...
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/11/21/308231.jpg)
Yep Mum looks rapted :rollin
they were probably worried that the Eagles were going to pick him at 11. :gotigers
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Play him forward
This.
I am sick of recruiting players and then screwing with them by playing them all over the shop. We lack a classy mid sized forward. Play him there!
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Would play him of the HFF and having him pushing up into the midfield as a link player and as part of the rotations. Going to be a great versatile player for us. Great pick up. We are lucky to have him slip to us because he was the best player available and fits our needs too :clapping
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Play him forward
This.
I am sick of recruiting players and then screwing with them by playing them all over the shop. We lack a classy mid sized forward. Play him there!
I had a very interesting chat with Rex Hunt yesterday at the airport on this very subject re Riewoldt!!!!!!!
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Play him forward
This.
I am sick of recruiting players and then screwing with them by playing them all over the shop. We lack a classy mid sized forward. Play him there!
When Dimma was interviewed he was saying that Lennon needed to work on his defensive side, especially if he wants to be a midfielder. Unfortunately defense is where defensive skills are learnt so expect him to spend some time in the back line in the Ressies (lol nearly typed at Coburg).
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VIDEO: Ben Lennon being interviewed post-draft ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-11-22/2013-draft-lennon-post-draft
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Bieber hair
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Bieber hair
might be a wig
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definite rug
the next gary ablett jnr
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Play him forward
This.
I am sick of recruiting players and then screwing with them by playing them all over the shop. We lack a classy mid sized forward. Play him there!
When Dimma was interviewed he was saying that Lennon needed to work on his defensive side, especially if he wants to be a midfielder. Unfortunately defense is where defensive skills are learnt so expect him to spend some time in the back line in the Ressies (lol nearly typed at Coburg).
Heard they'll send him to Coburg to learn defence. The RFC VFL team will be too good to let the ball get into defence. He'll learn nothing there. :shh
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Vfl Richmond midfield:
Gordon. Arnot. Helbig. Orren. Grigg. Newman. McDonough
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Vfl Richmond midfield:
Gordon. Arnot. Helbig. Orren. Grigg. Newman. McDonough. Thomas. Batsanis. McQualter.
:bow
EFA
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Play him forward
This.
I am sick of recruiting players and then screwing with them by playing them all over the shop. We lack a classy mid sized forward. Play him there!
When Dimma was interviewed he was saying that Lennon needed to work on his defensive side, especially if he wants to be a midfielder. Unfortunately defense is where defensive skills are learnt so expect him to spend some time in the back line in the Ressies (lol nearly typed at Coburg).
Disagree. This was true in 1970. Defence now is something everyone practices all over the ground. You don't need to be in the back half to be learning defence. This is especially true if you are a forward. In that position you need to learn when to defend and when to attack. There is no better position to learn your own trade properly as in training in your favourite position - the position you are of most value to your own team and the position you are of most danger to the opposition. How many times did the Hawks play Buddy in defence? Answer is never, not even at Box Hill.
If you have a gun HFF, FFS don't play him in defence! Let him learn to play with Jack and Tyrone. Let them develop a chemistry. Let him learn down there how to keep the ball in the forward half as defence in that area is a very different game to defence in the back half.
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Perfect match
richmondfc.com.au
November 22, 2013
Richmond wanted Ben Lennon, and Ben Lennon wanted Richmond.
“Ben spent his AIS week with us early in the year, and that gave us just a little bit more information about him. We saw how he reacted in a few situations.
“A number of (Richmond) players rated him highly. They were texting me to make sure we got Ben, so that was very interesting . . .
“Ben provides a lot of class. He’s a very smart player, he sees the footy really well, is strong overhead, and a terrific kick.
“He played a little bit more of a midfield role towards the back end of the year, so we think he has a lot of versatility. His footy ‘smarts’ are excellent .
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-11-22/perfect-match
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Here is Lennon's twitter:
https://twitter.com/LennonBen
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I think Ben Lennon wanted Carltank more
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Play him forward
This.
I am sick of recruiting players and then screwing with them by playing them all over the shop. We lack a classy mid sized forward. Play him there!
When Dimma was interviewed he was saying that Lennon needed to work on his defensive side, especially if he wants to be a midfielder. Unfortunately defense is where defensive skills are learnt so expect him to spend some time in the back line in the Ressies (lol nearly typed at Coburg).
Disagree. This was true in 1970. Defence now is something everyone practices all over the ground. You don't need to be in the back half to be learning defence. This is especially true if you are a forward. In that position you need to learn when to defend and when to attack. There is no better position to learn your own trade properly as in training in your favourite position - the position you are of most value to your own team and the position you are of most danger to the opposition. How many times did the Hawks play Buddy in defence? Answer is never, not even at Box Hill.
If you have a gun HFF, FFS don't play him in defence! Let him learn to play with Jack and Tyrone. Let them develop a chemistry. Let him learn down there how to keep the ball in the forward half as defence in that area is a very different game to defence in the back half.
I dont think there is a blanket right way or a wrong way to go about this, but more based on the individual involved.
Some players have no trouble getting that defensive mindset into their game, but some, particularly those that are used to just doing what they want and dominating, just dont seem to get it. Putting them down back forces them to take on defensive mindset foremost, as well as an appreciation of just how much a influence a midfielder can have on the defenders lot.
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He's no Tom Boyd, but at Pick 12 he's a fantastic pick up. The best available well done RFC.
Reminds me of Stuart Dew.
Is he fat
Nah but has a great relationship with Nicole Cornes. *allegedly
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I think Ben Lennon wanted Carltank more
Is this Mark Stevens?
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I think Ben Lennon wanted Carltank more
Is this Mark Stevens?
Why ? What did Stevo say ?
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VIDEO: Ben Lennon being interviewed post-draft ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-11-22/2013-draft-lennon-post-draft
Summary:
* I’m absolutely thrilled. Coming into the Draft, I wanted to become a Tiger and luckily enough I did. So I'm thrilled.
* It’s that not knowing where you’re going. Finally finding out what you’re going to be doing next year is a great thrill and the family’s very happy as well.
* My manager talked with Richmond quite a bit and he told me Richmond were pretty interested. Yeah it was a great thrill to be read out by Richmond.
* I’m just super-excited to get stuck in with the pre-season, work hard and hopefully earn the boys’ respect a.s.a.p.
* Earlier in the year with the AIS I got a week at Richmond. Really grateful for that and met some really good blokes down there so hopefully I'm in good hands. I can't wait to start.
* Choco is a good man; a bit of larrikin. I'm sure we'll have a few jokes in the next coming days so it'll be good.
* I'm a half-forward aspiring to become a midfielder so I’ve got to work on my endurance but I’m pretty sure I can with the hard work become a midfielder.
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Pre-draft profiles on Lennon from regular junior footy watchers on BF:
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Style: Steve Johnson
Player comparison: Sam Mayes
Range: 7-15
Profile: Lennon is a strong marking versatile tall who can play forward, back or through the midfield effectively. At his height Lennon is an excellent overhead mark making him a weapon forward of centre with his ability to read the ball well in the air but then be effective on the lead and also 1v1. I also really like how after a mark Lennon tends to move the footy on quickly. He’s a nice user of the footy with a nice 50m kick. He’s also an excellent finisher around goal with serious goal sense and finishing ability from snaps. His set shot goalkicking could do with further work though and is that only real question mark by foot at this point. His pace is only average but he makes up for it by always being on the move making his lack of pace a non factor. Despite being more of a forward and outside type Lennon has improved his ability through the midfield but will need to develop his ability in close and become a more of a contested ball winner clearance threat to be a viable midfield option in the future. My feel is that Lennon long term settles up forward as more a leadup type because he doesn’t have a natural inside game but it depends entirely on the team he ends up at and the vision they have for him because he gives you plenty of options in a variety of positions.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2013-phantom-draft.983436/
Very classy type who I think will go high. Has been pegged more as a half fwd prospect because that is where he played most of his footy and look he has a bit of the Stevie J’s about him. I think he will develop in time though and head into the midfield in much the same way SJ has. Literally the perfect HF. Plays hard, leads well, has superb hands and would be one of the best kicks in this draft. His accuracy, his kicking to advantage and his kick penetration are all sublime. Very highly rated by those who saw him in Europe and I think he will be a very high selection.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/snoop-dog-2013-phantom-draft.1039188/
Lennon is probably the one player who I've changed my mind on the most. At one stage, I had him in the top 5 and I've also had him as low as about 25. And I don't really know where he will go come the draft, other than it will be somewhere in that quite large range. Where he goes will probably depend on what position clubs view him as playing - half forward, half back or midfield. Personally, I think it will be as a swingman capable of playing off either flank - even though his late season midfield form has been decent in the TAC Cup. I've seen some people compare him to Goddard, but he is more of a Robert Murphy for me. Lennon can play tall or small, and marks strongly in the air. With ball in hand, he is a smart player who can set up a lot of attack - I could see him making the high risk kicks into the centre corridor look easy. And that's why I like him best off of half back, where he can set up the game. Another player who has had consistency issues, and might take a couple of years to really nail down a set position. But he is still one of the better pure talents in the draft, even if so much is still unknown.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/young-talent-time-2013-a-phantom-draft.1036534/
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Ben Lennon latest Macleod draftee
Macleod FC website
Posted on Mon 25th of November
Talented half forward Ben Lennon was drafted at number 12 to the Richmond Football club. Ben has come through the junior club and also played senior games with Macleod FC in 2012.
Former President Michael Lovett said "most of us remember Ben's initiation against traditional rivals Whittlesea in which he was roughed up by the locals but gave as good as he got. As a 15 year old playing against men he showed then he not only had the talent but the grit to mix it with the best".
"I look forward to following to following and reporting Ben's progress in the AFL Record. I am sure our player profiles will soon record this classy and mercurial player's stellar career", Lovett said.
Current president Damian Hurley said the club could be proud of its record of developing young players for elite competition.In partnership with the junior club the Macleod FC has produced a line of high profile draft picks in recent years.
We have attached some photos of Ben from 2006 when he was playing under 12's at the junior club.
(http://myteamsapp.com.au/news_images/355-138_600.jpg)
More pics: http://www.macleodfc.com.au/news_article.php?art=355
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Lennon set to be a star
By Tony Greenberg
richmondfc.com.au
November 26, 2013
“He was a standout during his junior footy with Macleod,” Outgoing Macleod Football Club president Michael Lovett said.
“In his under-14 year, I think he was voted best-on-ground by the umpires in every game he played.
“In 2011, as a 16-year-old, he even played a few games in our seniors, when Northern Knights (Lennon’s TAC Cup team) and school footy commitments would allow.
“He didn’t take a backwards step in what is a tough competition, playing against men in Division 1 of the Northern Football League. It’s the old Diamond Valley League, so you have to earn your stripes.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-11-26/lennon-set-to-be-a-star
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Seems to do a lot of standing around.
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Seems to do a lot of standing around.
Chocco will fix that. Can't imagine Kingy or any of the other senior players allowing this kid to do anything other than work his as.s off this pre-season :thumbsup
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First day of full AFL preseason training is fun :laugh: :nope ...
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/11/27/308552.jpg) (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/11/27/308556.jpg)
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202013%20Training%20-%20Richmond%20271113&image_id=308562
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Tourette syndrome
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http://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202013%20Training%20-%20Richmond%20271113&image_id=308562
The realisation that you should have become an accountant
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Who's got the best foot skills of the 2013 draft?
Ben Lennon or Luke McDonald, pick your poison. Aish isn't as damaging when free but he's the best bet through traffic.
Taylor, Lennon, Aish, Salem, Billings.
Kelly, Lennon, Acres, McDonald and Gartlett
IMO
McDonald
Lennon
Reynolds
Aish
Kelly
Battersby
Merrett
Kolodjashnij is the best in time and space, with the ability to weight passes perfectly, and hit a lead on the chest anywhere up to 50m. Salem, Lennon and Acres not far behind in this regard.
a lot of people I've spoken to rate billings, scharenberg and kk as the best kicks. with lennon and mcdonald the long penetrating kickers.
The kicking test is a joke doesn't mean a lot at all.
Acres is a very good kick in congestion seems to have time Salem as well.
Mcdonald and Lennon are the most powerful kicks, with Mcdonald a slightly better.
Mcdonald has been very underrated in this draft I believe he is a top 4 pick.
2013 Draft Combine
Handball/clean hands test – winners
Chris Cain, Ben Lennon, Luke Reynolds (24/30 points)
bigfooty
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You wonder how he slipped to us. Must be the fact that he played more time up forward than in the mid. I think we will turn this kid into a midfielder eventually who rotates forward. Until then I'd imagine he will play high half forward. With his kicking skills he will give our bigger forwards plenty of the pill. :thumbsup
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Richmond draftee Ben Lennon eyes spot in Tigers' best 22 for NAB Challenge
Jay Clark
From: Herald Sun
January 15, 2014 9:00PM
RICHMOND recruit Ben Lennon is eyeing a Round 1 berth as coach Damien Hardwick prepares to play his best side through this year's NAB Challenge series.
After last year's crushing first week finals exit, the Tigers want to hit the ground running this pre-season in a bid to help secure their first top-four berth since 2002.
The Tigers have not played back-to-back finals series since Tom Hafey and Royce Hart led the club in 1974-75.
Lennon, a game-breaking utility, said he had spent the Christmas break completing some extra training sessions on holiday in Echuca, with teammates Brandon Ellis and Trent Cotchin.
The No. 12 draft pick said the extra training had helped him bridge the fitness gap as he battles to add some polish to the Tigers' flanks this season.
"My running has improved, I did most of the testing before Christmas and it was not as good as what it needed to be," Lennon said.
"But after Christmas it has really improved.
"I'm hoping to get a place in the NAB Cup team, as 'Dimma' (Hardwick) has said he wants to play his best team for it.
"Hopefully I can get into that and from there if I can get a spot in Round 1.
"I don't want to put too much expectation on myself, but that's the goal."
Lennon's penetrating right-foot kick has already impressed at Punt Rd, with the Tigers intent on playing the 189cm goalkicker at both ends of the ground.
The under-18 All-Australian is growing in confidence he can follow in the footsteps of fellow first-round Tiger recruits Nick Vlastuin, Ellis and Reece Conca and contribute at AFL level in his first season.
"Especially in some of the full-ground drills when we are playing some match simulation, you start to get a kick and get a bit of confidence and feel as though you can match it with the best," Lennon said.
"I feel as though I am fitting in, so that's been good, but obviously there is a lot more to do."
Lennon, 18, said he would likely play a predominantly outside role to begin with. He rankled second for effective kicks in the TAC Cup last year but ranked below average at applying pressure for his position as a general forward, according to Champion Data.
"Not having a massive body just yet, I'll need to get on the flanks and use my skills, that's the plan," he said.
"He (Hardwick) has thrown me on every line (at training) to get my head around everything.
"It's been good to learn things off all the coaches, but I've been thrown in the deep end."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-draftee-ben-lennon-eyes-spot-in-tigers-best-22-for-nab-challenge/story-fndv8t7m-1226803500650
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Has the nickname 'the penetrator' around the club, with his low, accurate and long footskills stunning many within the playing group.
Unleash the fury
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cause of his niteclub skillz :shh
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bust
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Has to get rid of the toupee. What is it with youngsters not wanting to be bald these days so much that they take a trip down to advanced hair studios. Just accept that you're going bald and shave ya cranium!
Griffiths too.
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considering I been doing the Telly Savalas look for the last 15 years can someone tell me with toupees do they stitch the rug into a persons head so it doesnt fall off. Also I wanna know how much a toupee costs coz shaving my head is pretty cheap and since the club wants to go down the Indian route I think we should all become cheapskates and get stuff for free ;D
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they use Velcro i think
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(http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2001_Shallow_Hal/001SHA_Jason_Alexander_017.jpg)
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Drew Carey = awesome hair
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considering I been doing the Telly Savalas look for the last 15 years can someone tell me with toupees do they stitch the rug into a persons head so it doesnt fall off. Also I wanna know how much a toupee costs coz shaving my head is pretty cheap and since the club wants to go down the Indian route I think we should all become cheapskates and get stuff for free ;D
Had a friend who spent a fortune on a hair piece. Showing support of his decision we nicked name said hair piece "wiglet" because it wasnt a full sized wig ;D
Anyway it was original stapled on but that irritated his scalp so then it was held on by little clips
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FFS just do what Ablett did and shave it off.
Reduces drag when running and high speeds and allows you to dissipate heat more readily.
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(http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2001_Shallow_Hal/001SHA_Jason_Alexander_017.jpg)
Georgie boy is back in the game
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:lol
If Lennon can cut through traffic like George did when the fire started at that kids party, we can expect big things from him. ;D
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bust
big please. :shh
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Who's got the best foot skills of the 2013 draft?
Ben Lennon or Luke McDonald, pick your poison. Aish isn't as damaging when free but he's the best bet through traffic.
Taylor, Lennon, Aish, Salem, Billings.
Kelly, Lennon, Acres, McDonald and Gartlett
IMO
McDonald
Lennon
Reynolds
Aish
Kelly
Battersby
Merrett
Kolodjashnij is the best in time and space, with the ability to weight passes perfectly, and hit a lead on the chest anywhere up to 50m. Salem, Lennon and Acres not far behind in this regard.
a lot of people I've spoken to rate billings, scharenberg and kk as the best kicks. with lennon and mcdonald the long penetrating kickers.
The kicking test is a joke doesn't mean a lot at all.
Acres is a very good kick in congestion seems to have time Salem as well.
Mcdonald and Lennon are the most powerful kicks, with Mcdonald a slightly better.
Mcdonald has been very underrated in this draft I believe he is a top 4 pick.
2013 Draft Combine
Handball/clean hands test – winners
Chris Cain, Ben Lennon, Luke Reynolds (24/30 points)
bigfooty
If i cared what they said on that site i would read it.. Sadly i dont..
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Saying he kicks good
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Saying he kicks good
Mcdonald has been very underrated in this draft I believe he is a top 4 pick.
This sums big footy up to me. If people like to give opinion at least they can.. Sadly their opinions mean nothing when they dont know what they're talking about - and that's "big footy"
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Youbdont rate Mac?
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im still wondering if we have a mid in lennon. i suppose time will tell.
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Youbdont rate Mac?
He was a father/son pick.. he was always going to North.. He's not underrated..
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im still wondering if we have a mid in lennon. i suppose time will tell.
High half forward for mine claw. Think his foot skills, pace and marking capabilities will be a real asset to our link play and delivery inside our F50.
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Hopefully becomes a Jack Darling?
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Was told by a bloke that watches his TAC cup side often
Vladimir kicks regularly 60 meter Buckley-like (collingwood fan) laser beams off one step literally
To clarify what kicking of one step he performed the action with a fake football and I was rather impressed by the prospect young vlad
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Claw wanted Billy Longer at 12.
Let's just wait and see how their respective careers pan out.
I know where my money would be.....
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Claw wanted Billy Longer at 12.
Let's just wait and see how their respective careers pan out.
I know where my money would be.....
no i put up an alternative path we could have taken in getting hampson. get it right my scenario if the trade could have been done would have allowed us to take longer a top 10 pick in 2011, gain pick 25 trent dumont and keep pick 32 george hewitt as examples. just a slight difference there eh.
i prefer we went this way because of hampson. i dont rate the bloke based almost entirely on his abysmal record at carlton over 7yrs and 63games.
like all tiger supporters im now hoping like hell the hampster does an ivan maric but i cant see it.
as i have stated several times after the trade period and going with what picks we had i wanted blake acres at pick 12.
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If I won tatts I'd be a millionaire.
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Draft Days: How three young stars pursued their AFL dreams
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
February 9, 2014
IN 2013, AFL.com.au tracked the progress of three childhood friends on their path to the draft in the documentary Draft Days: 3 Of A Kind.
Jack Billings, Luke McDonald and Ben Lennon all ended the year as very early draft picks for St Kilda, North Melbourne and Richmond, and headed to their new AFL clubs ready to be full-time footballers.
Their friendship had developed at junior level as teammates and opponents, before they went through all the Victorian representative squads together and formed a close bond.
But no passage to the draft is straightforward.
Through a number of interviews with each of the prospects across the year, Draft Days captures the differing emotions of being a draftee: the uncertainty, nerves and excitement of waiting until the end of November to have so many questions answered.
Draft Days gives a candid insight into what makes the trio tick, delves into their friendship, how they prepare for games, their home and social life, and their different personalities.
Draft Days follows the trio from before the important under-18 championships in May through to December, where they are interviewed while settling into their AFL careers with their lives changing rapidly.
Despite being highly touted juniors and enjoying successes, each had his challenges in his draft year, which evolve throughout the Draft Days documentary.
Lennon, too, wanted to prove to people he could play consistently and progress to a midfield role, while overcoming a troublesome ankle injury.
Draft Days: 3 Of A Kind will screen over four days on AFL.com.au next week, starting on Monday, February 10 through to Thursday, February, 13.
At the end of the week, a full version of the Draft Days documentary from start to finish will be available to watch.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bf2F-3VCAAAGJml.jpg)
Watch the trailer here: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-02-09/journey-to-the-big-time
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VIDEO: Draft Days, Part 1: Ben Lennon
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-02-10/draft-days-ben-lennon
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VIDEO: Draft Days, Part 2: Ben Lennon
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-02-11/draft-days-part-2-ben-lennon
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I've been enjoying this doco. Lennon seems like a nice kid. Now that I know he went to Ivanhoe Grammar I can understand where the haircut came from. Hopefully he can be convinced to shave his head going forward :P
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VIDEO: Draft Days, Part 3: Ben Lennon
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-02-12/draft-days-part-3-ben-lennon
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Looks like a quality kid. Even on the short clips they showed of him training he was very clean with his disposals.
It was funny watch McDonald at North train. Dalsanto (sp?) absolutely cleaned him up in a repeat one-on-one drill where you had to wrestle and fight to win the ball. Then he was matched up on Nahas and the young 18yr smashed him. :lol
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From watching that doco macdonald seems like a tool.
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From watching that doco macdonald seems like a tool.
and billings too what a flog
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VIDEO: Draft Days, Part 4: Ben Lennon
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-02-13/draft-days-part-4-ben-lennon
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Promising signs early on last night where he did a couple of nice things but I don't see Lennon has the tank or defensive side to his game yet to be in our best 22 for round 1. Us supporters will have to be more patient with him and not think he has to be like Floss who played 20 games in his debut year.
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I wish we got Salem
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I wish we got Salem
I think Lennons debut yesterday was a bit disappointing to be honest.
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I wish we got Salem
I think Lennons debut yesterday was a bit disappointing to be honest.
He'll be lucky to play 2-3 games this year
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I wish we got Salem
I think Lennons debut yesterday was a bit disappointing to be honest.
Looked like a Lemon more than a Lennon.
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Conditions were very humid. Tough first gig when the experienced players in the team gave him little support by playing like flogs.
Will wait and see....
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He's also the slowest player in the comp
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Lennon on starting over at Tigerland
richmondfc.com.au
March 20, 2014
The 18-year-old is set for a return to the field with Richmond’s VFL team, in this Friday’s practice match against Footscray at the Whitten Oval, following his recovery from a minor knee injury.
“The knee’s good. Hopefully, I’ll play a half, and we’ll see how we go,” he said.
Lennon had a brief taste of AFL football, when he lined up for Richmond in the opening pre-season challenge match against Melbourne at Etihad Stadium.
“I found it very quick. It was phenomenal how quick it was,” Lennon said.
“At times, I was just looking around and trying to find my opponent. And then, on the other side of that, you’ve got to try and get the ball and attack.
“So, I learned a lot, and I feel as though it’s going to hold me in good stead. It was a good experience.”
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-20/lennon-on-starting-over-at-tigerland
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Be ironic if Lennon got picked for the Essendon match and copped a few shots from Chapman....
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living the dream as a player at the club he’s barracked for all his life, alongside his boyhood idol, Brett Deledio.
Lennon had Deledio’s No. 3 on the back of his Richmond jumper, as a kid.
Lol who wrote that rot?
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-02-10/draft-days-ben-lennon
4:36min
Go baggers ::)
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living the dream as a player at the club he’s barracked for all his life, alongside his boyhood idol, Brett Deledio.
Lennon had Deledio’s No. 3 on the back of his Richmond jumper, as a kid.
Lol who wrote that rot?
4:36min
Go baggers ::)
Ben did say on the talking tiger interview this week that he followed the tigers BUT..
I think the problem was with the interviewing on talking tiger. they asked him who he followed before he was drafted to the club. which could have been interpreted wrongly.
on all the media pre-draft, it was all "followed carlton as a kid, big blues family".
but who knows, maybe after his stint last year with us as part of the AIS academy, he developped quite good relationshiops with some of the boys and decided to follow tigers from then onwards whereas prior to that he barracked for carlton.
in essence, what he answered wasn't wrong in that case, he followed richmond just before being drafted to richmond but as a kid and growing up he was a bluebagger.
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lying scum supporter
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Best of luck to Ben on Saturday in his senior Tiger debut.
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Good luck to him. Lets hope he is not the sub. Lets hope they play him in the forward line.
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Good luck ben, can play a bit this kid :shh
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I have found myself question the RFC more this year than I ever have. It's not just because we have been loosing because we have done that a lot over the last 30 odd years but it's because of some of it's really strange decisions in match committee.
Playing blokes that almost all would agree need to have a run in the twos. For me personally I can handle watching young kids make mistakes out there while they are learning but I can take watching blokes run around and not really give a sh$t what happens.
But what I am happy with is the way we haven't panicked and rushed in kids that maybe were not quite ready. Lennon seems to have improve each week since has has come back from his injury and is deserving of his game this week. I wish the kid well and hope he turns out as good as our last first round draft pick.
IMO we need an injection of enthusiasm and I think Lennon could help with this. I also wanted to see Miles this week but that's another story.
I just hope Dimma starts him on the ground and keeps him there. Let the kid get the feel of the game early and let him work into it. Elite kids like him pick up the pace pretty quickly.
Pretty excited about seeing what he has to offer.
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after making finals last year and currently well outside the 8, id rather finish outside the 8 giving 15 odd development games to the likes of Lennon, Miles, Arnott, McBean et al than just scrape into the 8 off the mediocrity of Vickery, Foley, Pettard and Grigg.
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Hopefully his elite kicking stands up to the rigours of senior footy. Looking forward to seeing how he goes.
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I feel he is not ready yet
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I feel he is not ready yet
Probably correct PM but the best way to bring them up to speed to senior footy is to get senior games under their belt. You have to go through pain to get gains...
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Not always, some players you can shatter their confidence by playing them before they are ready and really set their development back.
In saying that, you'd hope that early picks would not fall into that catagory
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Not always, some players you can shatter their confidence by playing them before they are ready and really set their development back.
In saying that, you'd hope that early picks would not fall into that catagory
In tricky situations I always ask "what would WAT do?".
Hope this helps you all.
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after making finals last year and currently well outside the 8, id rather finish outside the 8 giving 15 odd development games to the likes of Lennon, Miles, Arnott, McBean et al than just scrape into the 8 off the mediocrity of Vickery, Foley, Pettard and Grigg.
reckon you speak for most us with that dookster.
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aye
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after making finals last year and currently well outside the 8, id rather finish outside the 8 giving 15 odd development games to the likes of Lennon, Miles, Arnott, McBean et al than just scrape into the 8 off the mediocrity of Vickery, Foley, Pettard and Grigg.
reckon you speak for most us with that dookster.
Not me, I'd rather make the finals. Life is too short, I'd go and I'd have 20 beers and you never know what might happen. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
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Not always, some players you can shatter their confidence by playing them before they are ready and really set their development back.
In saying that, you'd hope that early picks would not fall into that catagory
In tricky situations I always ask "what would WAT do?".
Hope this helps you all.
:lol
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Dimma on Lennon:
"He’s a terrific talent but he’s had to work on his game. He probably would have been in the picture come Round 1 but he hurt his knee in a NAB Cup game. So he’s had to go back and learn a few things defensively. We like the ability for him to play back and forward. He’s an uncanny goalsneak as well, good mark, outstanding kick. He’s going to be a good player for us for a long period of time. Defensively is an area where most kids come in and they’re a little bit lax. Ben was no different to that and he certainly learned a few things down back that will hold him in good stead for this week’s game."
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-05-16/lennon-goes-back-to-go-forward#sthash.XtjN8daO.dpuf
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after making finals last year and currently well outside the 8, id rather finish outside the 8 giving 15 odd development games to the likes of Lennon, Miles, Arnott, McBean et al than just scrape into the 8 off the mediocrity of Vickery, Foley, Pettard and Grigg.
reckon you speak for most us with that dookster.
Not me, I'd rather make the finals. Life is too short, I'd go and I'd have 20 beers and you never know what might happen. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Wrong again.
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best of Luck Ben Lennon. show them what you got
:gotigers
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Will be a player. Bookmark it.
Good luck son! :gotigers
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If only he wasn't as slow as a sloth
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If only he wasn't as slow as a sloth
Fast between the ears Phil, which is more important. Also his reflexes are quick too. Might surprise you with his first few steps. I agree, he won't win a hundred metre dash, but that's not footy.
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Thoughts on our latest debutant?
Coming on as the sub after half-time, Lennon had 8 disposals (6k, 2h, 4cp, 4up, 75% efficiency), 3 marks, 1 clearances and 2 goals in 46% game-time.
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thumbs up from Dooks
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The one true bright spot.
Now.... how long before we ruin him too?
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Excellent, should of come in two stuffing weeks ago. :banghead
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Sad that a first gamer showed more want, desire, courage and footy smarts than a number of others
Showed a lot of promise, expect him to get dropped in the next fortnight
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Sad that a first gamer showed more want, desire, courage and footy smarts than a number of others
Showed a lot of promise, expect him to get dropped in the next fortnight
Et tu, Brute?
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Great game Ben. :clapping :cheers
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Sad that a first gamer showed more want, desire, courage and footy smarts than a number of others
Showed a lot of promise, expect him to get dropped in the next fortnight
as she said
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Benny Lennon, thank you.
As WP said, showed more desire and ticker than at least a dozen RFC players. How does a kid with no experience come on and bomb a 50m goal from the boundary and 21 highly paid and experienced players kick 9.20. Awful.
Has to play out the year. To stuff him up please RFC.
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The one true bright spot.
Now.... how long before we ruin him too?
It's inevitable. Poor bastard.
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Should have been rewarded with a couple brilliant tackles too
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Should have been rewarded with a couple brilliant tackles too
Thought the umpires lost the plot in the last qtr. His tackle on Grimes was as clear as holding the ball as you will see. Then we get a square up for stacks on in the goal square 1 minute later. Ump knew he made a blue. Then we got a couple of cheap frees and then Melbourne got 2-4 real soft ones.
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Just watched some of Lennon's highlights.
Why couldn't all players have the desire and work rate. It's not a difficult thing to try your guts out...
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Should have been rewarded with a couple brilliant tackles too
Thought the umpires lost the plot in the last qtr. His tackle on Grimes was as clear as holding the ball as you will see. Then we get a square up for stacks on in the goal square 1 minute later. Ump knew he made a blue. Then we got a couple of cheap frees and then Melbourne got 2-4 real soft ones.
& Wayne Campbell wonders why they get booed when knocked out.
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Good start. Hopefully follows it up.
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This kid must be so torn. Leave now and have a great career. Stay and get paid heaps to do SFA.
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We will ruin him. Lets face it only a matter of time
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Why was he the sub? Edwards did really well as the sub last week, why wouldn't you do that again? Ben should have started on the ground. Dimma doesn't seem to have much faith in any of the young kids.
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Why was he the sub? Edwards did really well as the sub last week, why wouldn't you do that again? Ben should have started on the ground. Dimma doesn't seem to have much faith in any of the young kids.
You answered your own question with your last sentence big tone :thumbsup
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The Tackle: Mark Robinson spends a day with Ben Lennon’s family as he makes his Richmond debut
Herald-Sun
May 19, 2014 4:44PM
DEBUT games are not only for the player.
While Ben Lennon, the 18-year-old Tiger, waited nervously on the subs bench, his family waited nervously in the MCG grandstands for the moment young Ben had been dreaming of for a very long time.
The whole family was there — dad Stephen, 50, mum Lesley 48, and sisters Kara 24, and Grace 22.
Grace, the budding professional golfer, and Kara, sporting an AFL-issue picture of Ben on her jacket, couldn’t stop smiling. “He gave it to me,” Kara said with a smile.
The pair told stories about kicking the footy with their younger brother in the backyard of their Macleod home and although they said that they always believed he would play AFL, with these two you couldn’t not believe them.
They were beaming for their brother.
So were mum and dad.
Lesley found out on Thursday Ben was playing and she fired off text messages to the family. “He’s playing! X” it read. Kara responded with “Yay.’’
Lesley said she tried to keep it low-key.
“I tried to keep the week as normal as possible,’’ he said. “It isn’t normal, but it could get you ahead of yourself.
“This morning was pretty quiet. He got up before Steve and I did, got himself some breakfast and then he went back upstairs for some quiet time.
“We just let him do his own thing and he kept to himself. We didn’t want to talk too much about football.’’
The Lennon family was guest of the Tigers at the official president’s lunch. Earlier, they were in the rooms for the jumper presentation.
Originally, triple Brownlow Medallist Ian Stewart had the honours, but he declined, leaving former Tigers player Graeme Bond to fulfil the deed.
“What he had to say was really emotional, just wonderful words, just to remember the day, remember that you’re representing yourself and the club and the family, and that after today your life will be different,’’ she said.
For Lesley, it was too. “There were tears,’’ she said. To see her son on the rooms, being welcomed to the team, had her heart swelling.
“I’m really, really proud. It hasn’t been easy and unless you have lived with someone going through that, you don’t really know of the sacrifices they have to make, especially at such a young age.
“I know it won’t be an easy ride, there will be some ups and downs, and he knows he has a close family and that when there’s down we’ll be there to pick him up, and will enjoy the highs with him.
“We’re just happy he’s got this far and we’re happy he’s enjoying the journey.’’
It was half-time and with the Tigers leading by three points, Lesley predicted an early substitution in the third quarter. She was right. “And I’m thinking they will play him up forward.’’ Right again.
Wearing No. 35, Ben replaced ruckman Shaun Hampson and quickly took a contested mark and kicked a goal with his first kick from close to the 50m mark. He was swamped by his teammates.
In a difficult game, he would finish with eight touches, a second goal in the final quarter, a point and three marks. It was a debut of much promise.
As the Tigers trudged from the ground and the Melbourne theme song echoed through the grandstands, Steve and Lesley could not take their eyes off their boy.
They were pleased for their son, but disappointed for the team, which was an awkward feeling.
Steve, who was a Carlton supporter, had the Tigers scarf around the neck.
“I’m very proud of him,’’ he said. “Just to be on the ground is special enough but to get a kick and goal first up was unbelievable really.’’
How did you react?
Lesley: “I screamed, I didn’t hold it back.”
Steve: “It’s disappointing they didn’t win the game.”
Dad offered a journey of memories. “To chart his progress, and there’s lot of other kids out there for Melbourne as well ... they’ve all grown up together, they’ve played in rep sides together and to think back three years ago and they were playing under-16s,’’ he said.
“And now they’re on the MCG today in front of 60,000 people ... it’s unbelievable.’’
There were moments for everyone and dad was the same as mum. “How proud can you be when you have a son playing on the MCG? He’s worked hard to get where he is, he’s a wonderful kid and we’re immensely proud of him,’’ he said.
With that, they were off to the rooms, just like they have done since Ben started playing at age six.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/the-tackle-mark-robinson-spends-a-day-with-ben-lennons-family-as-he-makes-his-richmond-debut/story-fnect155-1226921852965
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I wonder why Stewie knocked back the chance to hand him his jumper? No disrespect to Graeme bond but a triple Brownlow medallist would have been super special.
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I wonder why Stewie knocked back the chance to hand him his jumper? No disrespect to Graeme bond but a triple Brownlow medallist would have been super special.
Bondie gave a great speech during the jumper presentation. :clapping
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I wonder why Stewie knocked back the chance to hand him his jumper? No disrespect to Graeme bond but a triple Brownlow medallist would have been super special.
Because it's not the same team and he is embarrassed to be in the same room as a bunch a limpwristed Pansy's that sit when they pee.
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How did we think game number two went.
Personally his disposal was poor, he looked a bit slow and paddled the ball softly a few times.
And no I'm not writing him off, he can play and will be a good player for us
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Set up our first couple of goals Chucky. Just oozes class. We need to get game time into him.
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Set up our first couple of goals Chucky. Just oozes class. We need to get game time into him.
Agree
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Seems to be spending too much time with Deledio and Grigg...= soft. Harden up young man :whistle
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Looked lost again last night.
Pulled out of a Contest test as well, been chatting to Ellis obviously
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Carlton supporting father... Oh dear
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Been a less than inspiring start.
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Looked good against Melbourne and GWS.......
Then again after he got subbed off we were in total freefall. Just another deck chair on the titanic last night.
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The kid will be handy. Would prefer him to Edwards
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The kid will be handy. Would prefer him to Edwards
But wait Edwards just signed a two year deal.
This kid will be laying for Casey Scorpions ressies in two years.
Oh the humanity. :help
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Looked lost again last night.
Pulled out of a Contest test as well, been chatting to Ellis obviously
Yeah and it didnt look good either. Not a good sign.
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Shouldn't be the sub
IMO unfair way to try and adapt to the game
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Looked lost again last night.
Pulled out of a Contest test as well, been chatting to Ellis obviously
Yeah and it didnt look good either. Not a good sign.
Did the same against GWS
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Thought he had a decent qtr coming on as the sub. Not an easy thing to do. Colin Sylvia didn't get a touch.
Ran hard and looked to move the ball quickly and kicked long.
Think I'm going to like this kid.
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Thought he had a decent qtr coming on as the sub. Not an easy thing to do. Colin Sylvia didn't get a touch.
Ran hard and looked to move the ball quickly and kicked long.
Think I'm going to like this kid.
Does anyone else hate the 'Sub rule' as much as me? I just hate watching fit blokes sitting on the bench for 3 quarters.
IMO if someone gets injured during a game, to bad, your team just has to work harder.
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Stupidto make ghim the sub
Play him in the 21 ffs
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Stupidto make ghim the sub
Play him in the 21 ffs
If it wasn't for sub they would of dropped him for a rest. He's still young. Prefer sub then not at all
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How many games will the #35 play in the remainder of 2014? Would it be in the best interests of the club long term for him to be getting games now regularly?
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Didn't agree in dropping him. Maybe cause of the fact that Sydney play a hard contested football and being an outside midfielder he may have been burnt alive. Bring him in for the Saints game for me.
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Hasn't really had a stint at VFL has he? Was injured, played a couple then was promoted. Wasn't doing a whole lot so give him a couple games and when he plays well bring him back in.
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Hasn't really had a stint at VFL has he? Was injured, played a couple then was promoted. Wasn't doing a whole lot so give him a couple games and when he plays well bring him back in.
agree 2-3 solid full games at vfl level get some miles in the legs and come in for the last 5-6 games
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Yep. Reckon hanging someone in the AFL to dry isn't smart. Yes give them a good block of games but send them back to the VFL so they can ideally kill it and realise they are better than most those spuds
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Shouldn't have been played as sub. How is the kid supposed to get into the game with a quarter every week. Not good for match fitness. Let him play a couple of full matches, if he isn't ready, he can go back to the reserves. Save the sub for duds like Shane Edwards. A quarter at any level is all us Richmond supporters should have to take of him.
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Shouldn't have been played as sub. How is the kid supposed to get into the game with a quarter every week. Not good for match fitness. Let him play a couple of full matches, if he isn't ready, he can go back to the reserves. Save the sub for duds like Shane Edwards. A quarter at any level is all us Richmond supporters should have to take of him.
Spot on
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VIDEO: Choco's cub watch - Ben Lennon:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-06-27/choco-cub-watch-lennon
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Luke Dunstan at St Kilda seems a better player at this stage of the proceedings.
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thats it then.
Dud, Delist.
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Luke Dunstan at St Kilda seems a better player at this stage of the proceedings.
Dunstan was physically better prepared for AFL. Give Lennon a preseason or two and he hopefully will surpass him.
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Y&B ..give Lennon a pre season or two with us ,and hed be lining up for Managatang seconds in 2 years time...Our organisation has the midas touch in reverse.
For the love of mike didn't Dimma come out this past week and say Miles development has surprised him....Even Martha and the muffins knew he had ability some 5 months ago in the early stages of pre season
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of all the thinks that hardwick has said recently that just leaves you shaking your head in disbelief, that comment about Miles was the most staggering.
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AL that comment and the earlier one this year about us playing better than last year I reckon has just about done his credibility with most supporters.
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of all the thinks that hardwick has said recently that just leaves you shaking your head in disbelief, that comment about Miles was the most staggering.
:yep
Maybe with all the spin that's been spun all year, he's finally spun out of total control ;D
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You spin me right round baby, right round like a record player
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Y&B ..give Lennon a pre season or two with us ,and hed be lining up for Managatang seconds in 2 years time...Our organisation has the midas touch in reverse.
For the love of mike didn't Dimma come out this past week and say Miles development has surprised him....Even Martha and the muffins knew he had ability some 5 months ago in the early stages of pre season
Hopefully he won't get Tigeriits! ;D
Seriously, we have changed the club from top to bottom and we still seem to be in the same position as we were before Hardwick got to the club (on field).
To be fair on Hardwick, he did improve us every year till this one. One has to ask the question, if he could improve us from near last to winning 15 games, why has he failed so badly this year?
If he could never coach he would have never improved us.
So what's gone wrong?
I keep thinking that the good clubs never think they are there. They keep on rebuilding their lists. They target good youngsters but also go for quality recycled players, not rejects that could not get a game.
I think we all feel that is a large part of our problem but it can't be the whole story.
Something else is amiss……..
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Valid points Y&B
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Y&B ..give Lennon a pre season or two with us ,and hed be lining up for Managatang seconds in 2 years time...Our organisation has the midas touch in reverse.
For the love of mike didn't Dimma come out this past week and say Miles development has surprised him....Even Martha and the muffins knew he had ability some 5 months ago in the early stages of pre season
Hopefully he won't get Tigeriits! ;D
Seriously, we have changed the club from top to bottom and we still seem to be in the same position as we were before Hardwick got to the club (on field).
To be fair on Hardwick, he did improve us every year till this one. One has to ask the question, if he could improve us from near last to winning 15 games, why has he failed so badly this year?
If he could never coach he would have never improved us.
So what's gone wrong?
I keep thinking that the good clubs never think they are there. They keep on rebuilding their lists. They target good youngsters but also go for quality recycled players, not rejects that could not get a game.
I think we all feel that is a large part of our problem but it can't be the whole story.
Something else is amiss……..
A major symptom of Tigeritis™®© is the delusion that your good enough.
Rid the disease, clean it, strip it back bare & fumigate the joint.
You can't be complacent with such a virulent disease because it's always going to come back and kill you when you least expect it.
We should all know it by now but sometimes we forget too.
The cycle of Skata. Plop Plop Plop(used by permission DF)
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Y&B ..give Lennon a pre season or two with us ,and hed be lining up for Managatang seconds in 2 years time...Our organisation has the midas touch in reverse.
For the love of mike didn't Dimma come out this past week and say Miles development has surprised him....Even Martha and the muffins knew he had ability some 5 months ago in the early stages of pre season
Hopefully he won't get Tigeriits! ;D
Seriously, we have changed the club from top to bottom and we still seem to be in the same position as we were before Hardwick got to the club (on field).
To be fair on Hardwick, he did improve us every year till this one. One has to ask the question, if he could improve us from near last to winning 15 games, why has he failed so badly this year?
If he could never coach he would have never improved us.
So what's gone wrong?
I keep thinking that the good clubs never think they are there. They keep on rebuilding their lists. They target good youngsters but also go for quality recycled players, not rejects that could not get a game.
I think we all feel that is a large part of our problem but it can't be the whole story.
Something else is amiss……..
quite simply most people have failed to realise just how close most sides are. we were never in front of other clubs we were a middling team who had nearly every thing go our way which enabled us to get above the other 10 12 clubs around us.
falso most of our players we have a long performance history we can go thru. what happened last yr was a lot of those players hit their ceiling they played way above what they can sustain. it was just a matter of time before they regressed back to a sustainable level. go look at their overall records and most are where they are normally at.
also there just isnt enough quality players capable of bringing these glass half fulls into games as i call em to maintain a very high performance level.
all players have talent. all players can play a blinder reckon 20or so yrs ago i could have been gifted a game and had a blinder.
our trouble is like me far too many on our list have shocking deficiencies in their game. basics that should have meant we dont even look at em. we arent talking a small deficiency or just one, in too many cases its several.
for example how often have we seen a player like s edwards at our footy club. he will play one ot two good games then struggle, geez edwards even managed to have a decent 12 14 games a few yrs ago it is the only time i thought maybe he can become a good consistent player. but as always he regressed and he always will because of the chronic deficiencies.
how many shane edwards have we had over the yrs. how many like like him do we continue to not only give regular games to but keep.
our trouble is because they give a little something every now and then we hang on, and hang on and then hang on some more. hoping they can become good players hoping they can become consistent players, all the while overlooking their over all performance records and their chronic deficiencies. s edwards has hardly changed since the day we got him yet 8 yrs later we give him a 2 yr extension, where a good club would have cut him or traded him after 3 or 4 yrs and let his inconsistency and deficiencies become someone elses problem.
we have too many like s edwards and it was always going to bite us.
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Y&B ..give Lennon a pre season or two with us ,and hed be lining up for Managatang seconds in 2 years time...Our organisation has the midas touch in reverse.
For the love of mike didn't Dimma come out this past week and say Miles development has surprised him....Even Martha and the muffins knew he had ability some 5 months ago in the early stages of pre season
Hopefully he won't get Tigeriits! ;D
Seriously, we have changed the club from top to bottom and we still seem to be in the same position as we were before Hardwick got to the club (on field).
To be fair on Hardwick, he did improve us every year till this one. One has to ask the question, if he could improve us from near last to winning 15 games, why has he failed so badly this year?
If he could never coach he would have never improved us.
So what's gone wrong?
I keep thinking that the good clubs never think they are there. They keep on rebuilding their lists. They target good youngsters but also go for quality recycled players, not rejects that could not get a game.
I think we all feel that is a large part of our problem but it can't be the whole story.
Something else is amiss……..
and the question is what exactly? Looking in from the outside it is only guesswork, though.
AS ive said previously you dont get to within a kick of top 4 with both a crap list and a crap coach.
The list hasn't changed that much, but we still have the same coach, so what then?
Here's how i see it.
From what I can glean about Hardwick is he is a very meticulous person. I think it was weightman that commented about how everything is planned to a T, and Hardwick goest to lengths to ensure the i's are dotted and the T's are crossed.
I know this a generalisation, but in my experience people that are so meticulous and rely on planning so heavily, tend to struggle when things go wrong. If something goes amiss that they havn't accounted for they struggle to think on their feet.
In Hardwicks first years, everything pretty much went to plan for him and we saw a linear improvement each year. There were minor setbacks but he just stuck to the predetermined plan and rode them out.
This is what he seems to be trying to do now, but it is clear that, for whatever reason, that isn't working. Whatever has gone wrong is not just going to fix itself by by sticking to the predetermined plan, and hardwick is just lost. It comes through in the pressers and even his weekly edits. It is not something he planned for and he is bereft of ideas and incapable of, or unwilling to, stray from his predetermined path.
This to me is the worst part. Not that things have gone wrong - I half expected we may slip back this year, just not to the degree we have - but more concerning is that the head coach is just so clueless as how to deal with it. His unwillingness to drop under performing players because he thinks they are pretty much the best 22 highlights this
It seems as if he has taken this club as far as he can, and it is time for a new driver, me thinks.
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It seems as if he has taken this club as far as he can, and it is time for a new driver, me thinks.
These are my exact thoughts. I have no disrespect for the bloke and won't call him Dimwit or anything, but I don't see anything wrong with acknowledging he has done as much as he can, give him a hand shake and say thanks for dragging us out of the poo and get somebody to take us to the next step. I do fear if we hold on to him even until the end of the next year (mind you with still a year to run on his contract) with no improvement and the list gets completely shot and becomes devoid of any confidence.
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Any coach & team crumbles when the team is depleted with injury after injury & must play injured players. It happens at every club but we are so troubled by key injuries & that's why we had the huge drop off. Many of our players had interrupted pre-season or none at all. Supporters tend to forget this. Panic sets into the playing group & confidence drops off & Tigeritis sets in. Skills well that's the player themselves dropping off. No excuses at all. The next 6 weeks will tell the real story. ;D
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How bad is this for the RFC when its own supporters (us) have had to conjure up a word Tigeritis to explain the enigma that is RFC.
This is what the club should be looking at,its very own supporters who endlessly dig into the pockets have named a disease and labelled the RFC as such
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How bad is this for the RFC when its own supporters (us) have had to conjure up a word Tigeritis to explain the enigma that is RFC.
This is what the club should be looking at,its very own supporters who endlessly dig into the pockets have named a disease and labelled the RFC as such
;D l seem to have caught this terrible disease :lol
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Y&B ..give Lennon a pre season or two with us ,and hed be lining up for Managatang seconds in 2 years time...Our organisation has the midas touch in reverse.
For the love of mike didn't Dimma come out this past week and say Miles development has surprised him....Even Martha and the muffins knew he had ability some 5 months ago in the early stages of pre season
Hopefully he won't get Tigeriits! ;D
Seriously, we have changed the club from top to bottom and we still seem to be in the same position as we were before Hardwick got to the club (on field).
To be fair on Hardwick, he did improve us every year till this one. One has to ask the question, if he could improve us from near last to winning 15 games, why has he failed so badly this year?
If he could never coach he would have never improved us.
So what's gone wrong?
I keep thinking that the good clubs never think they are there. They keep on rebuilding their lists. They target good youngsters but also go for quality recycled players, not rejects that could not get a game.
I think we all feel that is a large part of our problem but it can't be the whole story.
Something else is amiss……..
and the question is what exactly? Looking in from the outside it is only guesswork, though.
AS ive said previously you dont get to within a kick of top 4 with both a crap list and a crap coach.
The list hasn't changed that much, but we still have the same coach, so what then?
Here's how i see it.
From what I can glean about Hardwick is he is a very meticulous person. I think it was weightman that commented about how everything is planned to a T, and Hardwick goest to lengths to ensure the i's are dotted and the T's are crossed.
I know this a generalisation, but in my experience people that are so meticulous and rely on planning so heavily, tend to struggle when things go wrong. If something goes amiss that they havn't accounted for they struggle to think on their feet.
In Hardwicks first years, everything pretty much went to plan for him and we saw a linear improvement each year. There were minor setbacks but he just stuck to the predetermined plan and rode them out.
This is what he seems to be trying to do now, but it is clear that, for whatever reason, that isn't working. Whatever has gone wrong is not just going to fix itself by by sticking to the predetermined plan, and hardwick is just lost. It comes through in the pressers and even his weekly edits. It is not something he planned for and he is bereft of ideas and incapable of, or unwilling to, stray from his predetermined path.
This to me is the worst part. Not that things have gone wrong - I half expected we may slip back this year, just not to the degree we have - but more concerning is that the head coach is just so clueless as how to deal with it. His unwillingness to drop under performing players because he thinks they are pretty much the best 22 highlights this
It seems as if he has taken this club as far as he can, and it is time for a new driver, me thinks.
Good post but I'm not sure I agree with the last bit.
People who are meticulous (in my experience) struggle to step back and assess the big picture of what is going wrong.
They get stuck in the detail.
He either needs a decent mentor who has been there and done it or he needs to remember there is a reason we have 2 ears and 1 mouth.
I wonder if he is listening to the wiser heads (Choco) at Punt Rd right now.
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You spin me right round baby, right round like a record player
You must watch too much meatspin
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Tony_M
Thinking about it a bit further, is he worth our first pick? We know what we are getting and that's pretty good. Would definitely help our midfield from day one.
If you had the choose today, would you take him or Lennon?
The tops teams definitely wouldn't mind using their first rounder on him IMO.
I'd take him over lennon no problem(not sold on lennon tbh) and yep I would give up our first rounder for him. Think he's a very talented player that's already shown he can play at a high standard.
Yer tend to agree on Lennon but I have seen some nice things from him. Recon he is an elite kick and more importantly decision maker. Really hope he comes good because he could be really great to watch. A little Lids like I recon, never going to be hard but will be silky.
Mitchell for our first pick I'd be happy with but keeping our first pick and getting Mitchell as well is where we should be aiming.
How good are Sydney when a bloke like this cannot even get a game. What hope do we have??
I agree about Lennon, can see his qualities but Im a little concerned - I don't know if its bc he just not ready physically but its concerning seeing a top draft pick seem so far off the pace and timing of the game. Usually they adjust pretty quickly - he just never looked comfortable - almost, dare I say it Watts and tambling like. I really hope its just a conditioning thing that will go once he gets a full preseason under the belt, but yeah Im concerned.
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I wasn't too concerned when I saw him nail Martin with a pass lace out that he stuffed up then recovered in closing minutes of the crows win , Lennon will be fine, he dominated vfl ea week just quietly , rarely under 25 touches
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Lennon will be fine, he dominated vfl ea week just quietly , rarely under 25 touches
Liston votes for Richmond below.
Must have been dominating very quietly. You just can't help but talk complete nonsense at times.
Just utterly wrong.
Player TOTAL
R. Young 8
A. Miles 8
O. Stephenson 6
L. McBean 4
N. Batsanis 4
N. Wynne 3
S. Lloyd 3
A. Edwards 3
S. Grigg 3
B. Griffiths 2
D. Jackson 1
R. McGough 1
R. Petterd 1
M. Thomas 1
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Lennon will be fine, he dominated vfl ea week just quietly , rarely under 25 touches
Liston votes for Richmond below.
Must have been dominating very quietly. You just can't help but talk complete nonsense at times.
Just utterly wrong.
Player TOTAL
R. Young 8
A. Miles 8
O. Stephenson 6
L. McBean 4
N. Batsanis 4
N. Wynne 3
S. Lloyd 3
A. Edwards 3
S. Grigg 3
B. Griffiths 2
D. Jackson 1
R. McGough 1
R. Petterd 1
M. Thomas 1
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Go back over the RFC vfl reports bucko, Geoff Raines was once fav for brownlow and didn't poll a vote , as if I'd use the Liston as the benchmark. And how many games did he play exactly , was it 8 or 9 . You speak nonsense , rubbish, call it what u will :shh
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Lennon will be fine, he dominated vfl ea week just quietly , rarely under 25 touches
Liston votes for Richmond below.
Must have been dominating very quietly. You just can't help but talk complete nonsense at times.
Just utterly wrong.
Player TOTAL
R. Young 8
A. Miles 8
O. Stephenson 6
L. McBean 4
N. Batsanis 4
N. Wynne 3
S. Lloyd 3
A. Edwards 3
S. Grigg 3
B. Griffiths 2
D. Jackson 1
R. McGough 1
R. Petterd 1
M. Thomas 1
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Lennon still needs to work on his deficiencies but he did reach 20 or more disposals in 8 of his 11 VFL games this year.
http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=193710755&client=1-3020-150493-294692-20320287&ocompID=294692 (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=193710755&client=1-3020-150493-294692-20320287&ocompID=294692)
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I've moved the Lennon discussion in the trade rumours thread to here.
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supposed to become a mid. i dont see it atm.another case of taking a type and hoping to tunit into another type altogether.ffs there was plenty of very good actual mids there to be had and we turned our noses up at em.
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Lennon will be fine, he dominated vfl ea week just quietly , rarely under 25 touches
Liston votes for Richmond below.
Must have been dominating very quietly. You just can't help but talk complete nonsense at times.
Just utterly wrong.
Player TOTAL
R. Young 8
A. Miles 8
O. Stephenson 6
L. McBean 4
N. Batsanis 4
N. Wynne 3
S. Lloyd 3
A. Edwards 3
S. Grigg 3
B. Griffiths 2
D. Jackson 1
R. McGough 1
R. Petterd 1
M. Thomas 1
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Go back over the RFC vfl reports bucko, Geoff Raines was once fav for brownlow and didn't poll a vote , as if I'd use the Liston as the benchmark. And how many games did he play exactly , was it 8 or 9 . You speak nonsense , rubbish, call it what u will :shh
Went over the VFL stats Bucko.
11 games ... Under 25 possessions in 8 of them ..
That aint rarely champ ...
I'm not saying Lennon cant play. More just pointing out your dribble.
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I wasn't too concerned when I saw him nail Martin with a pass lace out that he stuffed up then recovered in closing minutes of the crows win , Lennon will be fine, he dominated vfl ea week just quietly , rarely under 25 touches
I tend to agree, he did have a very good second half of the year in the twos.
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supposed to become a mid. i dont see it atm.another case of taking a type and hoping to tunit into another type altogether.ffs there was plenty of very good actual mids there to be had and we turned our noses up at em.
Recon he will end up a leading 3rd forward. A good size kid that reads the ball well and has fantastic skills and is pretty handy over head.
Needs to get a bit stronger over the ball but that's a concern of most 18 year olds. Looking forward to seeing him improve over the next couple of years.
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supposed to become a mid. i dont see it atm.another case of taking a type and hoping to tunit into another type altogether.ffs there was plenty of very good actual mids there to be had and we turned our noses up at em.
That's coz he wasn't recruited as a mid at all, was recruited as a high , marking hFF ....don't manipulate the facts to suit your own twisted misery :shh
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i dont want a pick 12 to be nothing but a forward. reckon hes capable of playing for/back and mid in time. lets hope he bocomes a real damaging mid as his primary role.
in the mean time with a kick on him like he has lets start him on a hbf. best place for newbies to learn the caper imo if they have the skills.
just for you little bo peep.
i dont see him spending much time in the midfield. im sure the club s hoping like mad his primary function in time is as a mid.in fact i know they said this.
but hey you could be right im used to seeing francis recruit nothing but flankers with decent picks :o
if we wanted a mid we should have targeted one instead of taking a flanker and hoping to turn him into a mid. theres no need to get all defensive because valid concerns are voiced. your good at smelling roses id suggest you stick to smelling them and ignore the critiques as it seems you dont handle em too well.
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supposed to become a mid. i dont see it atm.another case of taking a type and hoping to tunit into another type altogether.ffs there was plenty of very good actual mids there to be had and we turned our noses up at em.
No room
Thats houlis spot
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Tony_M
Thinking about it a bit further, is he worth our first pick? We know what we are getting and that's pretty good. Would definitely help our midfield from day one.
If you had the choose today, would you take him or Lennon?
The tops teams definitely wouldn't mind using their first rounder on him IMO.
I'd take him over lennon no problem(not sold on lennon tbh) and yep I would give up our first rounder for him. Think he's a very talented player that's already shown he can play at a high standard.
Yer tend to agree on Lennon but I have seen some nice things from him. Recon he is an elite kick and more importantly decision maker. Really hope he comes good because he could be really great to watch. A little Lids like I recon, never going to be hard but will be silky.
Mitchell for our first pick I'd be happy with but keeping our first pick and getting Mitchell as well is where we should be aiming.
How good are Sydney when a bloke like this cannot even get a game. What hope do we have??
I agree about Lennon, can see his qualities but Im a little concerned - I don't know if its bc he just not ready physically but its concerning seeing a top draft pick seem so far off the pace and timing of the game. Usually they adjust pretty quickly - he just never looked comfortable - almost, dare I say it Watts and tambling like. I really hope its just a conditioning thing that will go once he gets a full preseason under the belt, but yeah Im concerned.
TM this is nonsense.
Watts was a gun junior as was Tambling. Tamblings first game was his bestm still remember him running through the centre square and kicking a goal from 50 in our silver jumper in the NAB cup.
The kid is 18. eff me.
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Tony_M
Thinking about it a bit further, is he worth our first pick? We know what we are getting and that's pretty good. Would definitely help our midfield from day one.
If you had the choose today, would you take him or Lennon?
The tops teams definitely wouldn't mind using their first rounder on him IMO.
I'd take him over lennon no problem(not sold on lennon tbh) and yep I would give up our first rounder for him. Think he's a very talented player that's already shown he can play at a high standard.
Yer tend to agree on Lennon but I have seen some nice things from him. Recon he is an elite kick and more importantly decision maker. Really hope he comes good because he could be really great to watch. A little Lids like I recon, never going to be hard but will be silky.
Mitchell for our first pick I'd be happy with but keeping our first pick and getting Mitchell as well is where we should be aiming.
How good are Sydney when a bloke like this cannot even get a game. What hope do we have??
I agree about Lennon, can see his qualities but Im a little concerned - I don't know if its bc he just not ready physically but its concerning seeing a top draft pick seem so far off the pace and timing of the game. Usually they adjust pretty quickly - he just never looked comfortable - almost, dare I say it Watts and tambling like. I really hope its just a conditioning thing that will go once he gets a full preseason under the belt, but yeah Im concerned.
TM this is nonsense.
Watts was a gun junior as was Tambling. Tamblings first game was his bestm still remember him running through the centre square and kicking a goal from 50 in our silver jumper in the NAB cup.
The kid is 18. eff me.
Learn to comprehend pope
What you're saying is what I touched on, sometimes talented juniors have trouble stepping up to afl level, tambling and watts had all the skills but at afl level they look(ed) off the pace and just couldn't grasp the speed of the game. Even now Watts looks like a stunned mullet - no urgency. Im just stating that is my concern with lennon at this stage - has looked well off the pace this season, moreso than any other first round draft pick we've had since dare I say it - Tambling. Like I said hope Im wrong and its just a severe lack of conditioning given its his first season
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Planned development year for Silk, we don't have to rush the kids anymore
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We got pros like Grigg in the seniors
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TM, the majority of games he played as the sub. Can give an 18 year old with a handful of career games coming on as a sub some slack.
His goal from the 4th row from his first kick in AFL and his goal assist to Dusty vs Adelaide suggest he'll be OK. I'd say he's going OK for a kid, regardless of where he was picked in the draft.
Save your concerns for our depth of B Graders with 10 times the game experience as Ben yet show no more talent than him and we keep them on the list.
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I'm with TM, could be a good player but worried he just looks too far off the pace as an early pick. Will he grasp it? Who knows
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Dud, delist.
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His goal from the 4th row from his first kick in AFL
Wonder how much mileage he will get out of this
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His goal from the 4th row from his first kick in AFL
Wonder how much mileage he will get out of this
I expect the RFC shop to start selling limited edition prints of the moment.....hopefully bundled with a free copy of our own version of "The Streak" on dvd.
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Should of played hbf all year
Instead morris playes with one arm.
Houli sis his usual thing
Would of unlocked Vlastuin
I doubt this sub rubbish is ideal for development
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Tigers back Ben
richmondfc.com.au
November 5, 2014
“We’re quite excited about Ben, and what he can offer over the next 12 months,” said the Tigers’ VFL coach, Tim Clarke.
“He was frustrated himself by not playing more senior games, but if you watched him at the start of the year and then watched him at the end of the year, he became a much better player.
“He trained much better out on the track. You noticed him, where at the start of the year he did some flashy things.
“He really started to have a presence out on the training track.
“He always performed really well at VFL. You can always be very critical of a player, and the things he needs to work on.
“He consistently kept getting the ball, kept putting the ball inside 50, and kept doing the right thing.
“We’re quite confident that he’s going to be a really good player, as he starts to fill into his body.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-11-05/tigers-back-ben
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Ben Lennon and his trainer (pic from his instagram)
(http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2014/11/90596_dcf08937f915674c61087c4e2176cccb.png)
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Good boy Vladimir
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i just read the whole thread and think we are too impatient at times me included.
what we do know is hes very skillful and has excellent disposal. he will be a good size and can take a grab. he also can kick a goal.
without a doubt we need to find a high quality med fwdand atm it seems we have one in this kid.
my thinking is he wont survive purely as a fwd and has a few things that need working on.
seems he has some pace issues that can be worked on, he will need to build his tank and clearly needs to keep adding size. i think he will also need to win a bit more contested ball. all of these things will eventually help him play thru the middle.
i know ive been critical of us taking him instead of taking a pure mid when pure mids have been the priority. thats not a shot at him but the club.
i think we all need to show some patience and give him a bit of time. he may not be an answer in the midfield in the short term but hopefully long term this can work out. atm he could well be an answer up fwd or even coming of hb which are both list needs atm.
i suppose the thing to ask is what sort of return are we looking to get from him next yr.
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we were crying out for a forward
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Spud
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we were crying out for a forward
we were crying out for a lot of things but the club said it wanted mids as a priority. it remains a priority for them.and a legitimate one.
ffs deledio and martin, knights who was injured king macdonough even a edwards and petterd along with s edwards then throw in the fact we took lloyd and gordon in the nd as well and id say they had covered the sml/med fwd problems in the short term at least. id say they have failed in their mission to take a mid at 12.
again im not having a go at lennon he may turn out okay time will be the judge of that and as you say we need a decent half fwd but at 12 no thanks he must be more than that in time.nope im critical of those in charge when they say yep we desperately need mids and they go out and draft flankers with high draft picks.
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Spud
cmon forget about where he was taken and give him a decent amount of time mate.
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Spud
cmon forget about where he was taken and give him a decent amount of time mate.
I've seen enough. Won't make it
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poo coaching
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Spud
cmon forget about where he was taken and give him a decent amount of time mate.
I've seen enough. Won't make it
I've seen enough too.
Will make it! ;D
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Benny Lennon definitely looks more solid ...
(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10801994_10152847802793276_7796657303000094197_n.jpg?oh=e2ab7506b920185cb972f22329b0d894&oe=54D89C6C)
https://www.facebook.com/Richmond.FC/photos/a.10152847801018276.1073741857.298686323275/10152847802793276/?type=3&theater
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:shh
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Out of the Draft: Ben Lennon
richmondfc.com.au
November 26, 2014
Next goal
“Yeah, I think I’ve made progress. I’ve gotten a lot bigger since I got here, and learned a lot of the structures, and what it takes to play AFL footy. So, hopefully next year, I can play a few more games and cement a spot in the team.”
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-11-26/out-of-the-draft-ben-lennon
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Good to see and good to see players that we have recruited having the body to build on. Except S Edwards.. :-[ :lol
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Fluff piece
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Lennon looks similar to Broderick in that photo.
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VIDEO: Lennon getting better all the time ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-12-26/lennons-getting-better-all-the-time
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Tearing it up, Brownlow form at training, PB's ... ::)
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Tearing it up, Brownlow form at training, PB's ... ::)
He'll be like a new recruit!
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Benny Lennon definitely looks more solid ...
(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10801994_10152847802793276_7796657303000094197_n.jpg?oh=e2ab7506b920185cb972f22329b0d894&oe=54D89C6C)
https://www.facebook.com/Richmond.FC/photos/a.10152847801018276.1073741857.298686323275/10152847802793276/?type=3&theater
he doesn't muck around old Burgo :shh ,,,runs a pretty tight ship just quietly
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Benny Lennon definitely looks more solid ...
(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10801994_10152847802793276_7796657303000094197_n.jpg?oh=e2ab7506b920185cb972f22329b0d894&oe=54D89C6C)
https://www.facebook.com/Richmond.FC/photos/a.10152847801018276.1073741857.298686323275/10152847802793276/?type=3&theater
he doesn't muck around old Burgo :shh ,,,runs a pretty tight ship just quietly
dud delist
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Lucky he is not over 200 cms tall. :shh
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Looking forward to seeing this kid in 2015.
I love the fact he has been doing boxing. It will give him added confidence in every aspect.
I just hope DH lets him settle into a position and not chop and change him. Certain players need to be left to work it out, moving him from position to position won't help his development IMO.
He is not going to get big numbers but his touches will be quality. Good luck to him and I hope he cements a post early during preseason. Our forwardline needs real help IMO.
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AFL 2015 season: Who is the next Ollie Wines and Jack Macrae? Second-year breakout contenders
Gilbert Gardiner and Ben Higgins
Herald-Sun
January 16, 2015
BEN LENNON — Richmond
2013 Draft: Pick No. 12
2014: 7 games, avg. 8 disposals
The Tigers took the softly, softly approach with Lennon in his debut year, starting him in the sub’s vest five times in his seven games. However, the young gun has talent to burn and plenty of speed, which the Tigers will hope to unleash in 2015. Lennon averaged just eight touches last year but isn’t the type of player that needs a lot of the ball to hurt the opposition. Lennon picked up 16 disposals at 82 per cent, eight marks and three tackles in just his second game as Richmond beat GWS.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2015-season-who-is-the-next-ollie-wines-and-jack-macrae-second-year-breakout-contenders/story-fnelctok-1227186194329
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'Plenty of speed' eh?
Seriously some of these scribes actually do not know what they're writing about.
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'Plenty of speed' eh?
Seriously some of these scribes actually do not know what they're writing about.
The AFL media dwell in a parallel universe - one where Lennon's quick and none of our new recruits are.
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Tell you what he might not be quick but he is well built across the shoulders and arms judging by the training vids.
Reckon he will play plenty of games in 2015 if he get fit enough
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anyone seriously think hes significantly above 80kg. hes probably got one sml growth spurt left in him so he will end up somewhere close to around 190cm.
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anyone seriously think hes significantly above 80kg. hes probably got one sml growth spurt left in him so he will end up somewhere close to around 190cm.
He was recruited at 77kg so if he isn't above 80kg by now there is something seriously wrong
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Hopefully gets to 85kg in the next year or two, then ends up around 90kg.
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Core strength is arguably more important than bulk/weight these days.
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Core strength is arguably more important than bulk/weight these days.
i agree. but it is very much the case the ideal in weight is the last two digits of your height.very few players actually play significantly under this rule. it seems this height ratio allows for maximum benefit in core agility strength pace etc.it also seems the exception to the rule is players being heavier for power and the roles they play.very few players on any list other than juniors play well below this rule of thumb.
i ask again why would you play the undersized and lacking core strength and slow lennon in the backhalf . hes behind the 8 ball straight away on not one front but two.not to mention your putting him in an unfamilar role.
you know when lennon is 88kg and finds a yard of pace play him back if its needed but not in his 2nd yr where he is still massivively disadvantaged.
i dont want to see any of our players having to give away a significant size advantage to an opponent ffs the game is hard enough to play on an equal playing field.
our mantra should be simple bigger stronger faster and better skilled.
i can name just grigg, grimes, lennon, mcbean, plus most of our newbies who are significantly below the guide. lennon and mcbean obviously have time as do our newbies and will take a little time. all im saying is play em where they have best chance to shine and develop while they bulk up and improve.
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Not much expectation of Lennon it seems. Times have changed a little from when first round draft picks had to carry the weight of the team on their shoulders!
Hopefully Ben takes some positive steps forward this season..
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“He had a hip operation towards the end of the year and it was probably a bit worse than we thought,” Lade said.
“It took him a little while to get back and going again, but we’ve settled him into the backline this year and he’s been really good for us.
“He uses the ball really well and hopefully there’s a spot for him down there.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-03-06/lennon-looks-likely
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
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Can take a good grab and kick well.
F50 for me.
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Can take a good grab and kick well.
F50 for me.
nice its probably the only role he can play. thing is with with jack slow as and vickery griffiths down there can we play another turtle.
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Would rather go Jack, Griff (hopefully with some improvement) and either Lennon as a 3rd tall or find a 3rd tall who is quick (think like Crameri) and then we can have Lennon in there no problem
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Actually we just need another forward, any stuffing size, who can reliably kick 40+ goals per year.
When was the last time we had two blokes average 2+ goals/game for a whole year??
Did Nathan G Brown and Richardson manage it??
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All we are saying,
Is give Ben a chance.
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
What attributes does he have ?. Main ones are age and time. Gee he is still a kid. Anybody who comented on some players at this stage of a career could end up looking stupid. Take Rance for an example. Oh wait.
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Actually we just need another forward, any stuffing size, who can reliably kick 40+ goals per year.
When was the last time we had two blokes average 2+ goals/game for a whole year??
Did Nathan G Brown and Richardson manage it??
:clapping
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
I think you will find that the hip problem has slowed him down. That will take several more months to improve.
The guy has talent. He just needs time.
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
He certainly doesn't have trouble finding the pill claw. Got consistently high numbers in the VFL last year.
I agree he's slow but he's more of a distributer than a runner.
The softness is a concern though.
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Big year for him - obviously not expecting him to set the world on fire, but hoping to see some good signs bc as of right now, (imo)the only thing hes shown is he's a good kick of the footy - that's it. Needs to show more.
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I reckon this kid is going to be all class sometime over the next few years. Mitchell-esque in the way he doesn't need pace just insane skills to go with a good football brain. Although he will be more of a forward/fill in midfielder unlike Mitchell
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I reckon this kid is going to be all class sometime over the next few years. Mitchell-esque in the way he doesn't need pace just insane skills to go with a good football brain. Although he will be more of a forward/fill in midfielder unlike Mitchell
Mitchell oozes courage.
One of the gutsiest players in the competition
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
ffs the kid had knee surgery at the start of last year..
he avg 25 possies a game in TAC, so he can find the pill. during the carnival he avg 28 with 60% contested. plays a very similar game as goddard.
im starting to think you just make stuff up for the sake of laying into players or coaches or anything at all concerning richmond..
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
What attributes does he have ?. Main ones are age and time. Gee he is still a kid. Anybody who comented on some players at this stage of a career could end up looking stupid. Take Rance for an example. Oh wait.
lol age and time are not attributes fluffy one. like rance im just pointing out a few things he doesnt do too well. my main concern is he is not a mid or his game wont translate to being a afl mid.
like rance i havent written him off just pointed out a few home truths.
for the record i maintain alex rance was very ordinary in several areas for his first 4 yrs. im big enough to admit hes significantly improved in those areas.
are we not allowed to critcise our players.
lennon may use the ball real well but i havent seen a thing to say he will win his own ball and hes awfully soft. hes also awfully slow which is the biggest concern.
to hear lade suggest he will play back is a huge worry as well. can we really afford to play a dinosaur in the back half. ffs chaplin astbury houli newman btchelor even vlastuin none are quick. and they intend to add lennon. doesnt add up to me.
i will say though and say i was wrong concerning his weight. he has had good gains and starts the yr at 84kg which is very close to where he needs to get.
yep ben lennon has so much he needs to work on now thats a criticism so dont take it as him being written off. like rance he may well turn some things around but until he does the critiques are justified imo. most of our players i criticise never ever turn a thing around.
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
ffs the kid had knee surgery at the start of last year..
he avg 25 possies a game in TAC, so he can find the pill. during the carnival he avg 28 with 60% contested. plays a very similar game as goddard.
im starting to think you just make stuff up for the sake of laying into players or coaches or anything at all concerning richmond..
gotta say these over the top reactions are hilarious.i take it from this reaction ben lennopn has no weaknesses and if he does we should not be discussing them.
for me hes been a very disappointing first rnd pick to date. in saying that im more than happy to jusdge him in 3 yrs time but in the mean time i will criticise him and voice what i see as his weaknesses.
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
What attributes does he have ?. Main ones are age and time. Gee he is still a kid. Anybody who comented on some players at this stage of a career could end up looking stupid. Take Rance for an example. Oh wait.
lol age and time are not attributes fluffy one. like rance im just pointing out a few things he doesnt do too well. my main concern is he is not a mid or his game wont translate to being a afl mid.
like rance i havent written him off just pointed out a few home truths.
for the record i maintain alex rance was very ordinary in several areas for his first 4 yrs. im big enough to admit hes significantly improved in those areas.
are we not allowed to critcise our players.
lennon may use the ball real well but i havent seen a thing to say he will win his own ball and hes awfully soft. hes also awfully slow which is the biggest concern.
to hear lade suggest he will play back is a huge worry as well. can we really afford to play a dinosaur in the back half. ffs chaplin astbury houli newman btchelor even vlastuin none are quick. and they intend to add lennon. doesnt add up to me.
i will say though and say i was wrong concerning his weight. he has had good gains and starts the yr at 84kg which is very close to where he needs to get.
yep ben lennon has so much he needs to work on now thats a criticism so dont take it as him being written off. like rance he may well turn some things around but until he does the critiques are justified imo.
I'm concerned too, rather that I wasn't.
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claw, do you rate anybody at the club highly?
He's played five games, and I think he was the sub quite a bit yeah?
Once he puts more weight on (in the right areas - IE LEGS) and develops physically (properly develops, not just slamming on summer-muscle) he will get quicker. Just needs to build some strength in the quads etc.
Don't need to be quick to be effective. Realistically the HBF/Wing should have been Matt White's. Epic F-U by RFC.
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claw, do you rate anybody at the club highly?
He's played five games, and I think he was the sub quite a bit yeah?
Once he puts more weight on (in the right areas - IE LEGS) and develops physically (properly develops, not just slamming on summer-muscle) he will get quicker. Just needs to build some strength in the quads etc.
Don't need to be quick to be effective. Realistically the HBF/Wing should have been Matt White's. Epic F-U by RFC.
No it wasn't, bit part player who makes a token appearance in highlight reels
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claw, do you rate anybody at the club highly?
He's played five games, and I think he was the sub quite a bit yeah?
Once he puts more weight on (in the right areas - IE LEGS) and develops physically (properly develops, not just slamming on summer-muscle) he will get quicker. Just needs to build some strength in the quads etc.
Don't need to be quick to be effective. Realistically the HBF/Wing should have been Matt White's. Epic F-U by RFC.
No it wasn't, bit part player who makes a token appearance in highlight reels
Need a bloke who can run and carry. White did a good job of that when told to do so. Wanted 2 years, offered 1, left.
Hampson, can tap in the ruck. Otherwise great for staring blankly and blankly staring. Offered 3 years.
Perspective...
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
ffs the kid had knee surgery at the start of last year..
he avg 25 possies a game in TAC, so he can find the pill. during the carnival he avg 28 with 60% contested. plays a very similar game as goddard.
im starting to think you just make stuff up for the sake of laying into players or coaches or anything at all concerning richmond..
gotta say these over the top reactions are hilarious.i take it from this reaction ben lennopn has no weaknesses and if he does we should not be discussing them.
for me hes been a very disappointing first rnd pick to date. in saying that im more than happy to jusdge him in 3 yrs time but in the mean time i will criticise him and voice what i see as his weaknesses.
I agree with you, he won't make it. Has no standout attributes for mine
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claw, do you rate anybody at the club highly?
He's played five games, and I think he was the sub quite a bit yeah?
Once he puts more weight on (in the right areas - IE LEGS) and develops physically (properly develops, not just slamming on summer-muscle) he will get quicker. Just needs to build some strength in the quads etc.
Don't need to be quick to be effective. Realistically the HBF/Wing should have been Matt White's. Epic F-U by RFC.
No it wasn't, bit part player who makes a token appearance in highlight reels
Need a bloke who can run and carry. White did a good job of that when told to do so. Wanted 2 years, offered 1, left.
Hampson, can tap in the ruck. Otherwise great for staring blankly and blankly staring. Offered 3 years.
Perspective...
On Hampson we agree, massive f up by RFC
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I never realised they televised all the VFL games into WA?
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I never realised they televised all the VFL games into WA?
:shh :shh
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
ffs the kid had knee surgery at the start of last year..
he avg 25 possies a game in TAC, so he can find the pill. during the carnival he avg 28 with 60% contested. plays a very similar game as goddard.
im starting to think you just make stuff up for the sake of laying into players or coaches or anything at all concerning richmond..
gotta say these over the top reactions are hilarious.i take it from this reaction ben lennopn has no weaknesses and if he does we should not be discussing them.
for me hes been a very disappointing first rnd pick to date. in saying that im more than happy to jusdge him in 3 yrs time but in the mean time i will criticise him and voice what i see as his weaknesses.
over the top! sh#t i would have thought writing a kid off after 7 games, 5 of which he started as sub, as over the top!
AND yes of course hes got weeknesses, he's 19yo ffs.
i try to ignore your posts mostly, but occasionally you say such idiotic things that you need to be corrected. i have read your choices of players to draft over the years, on here and other forums, and i would rather trust FJ
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Jeez
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Not your best work Craw. Bengal just pwned you good and proper. Best you put tail between pegs and move on
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
ffs the kid had knee surgery at the start of last year..
he avg 25 possies a game in TAC, so he can find the pill. during the carnival he avg 28 with 60% contested. plays a very similar game as goddard.
im starting to think you just make stuff up for the sake of laying into players or coaches or anything at all concerning richmond..
gotta say these over the top reactions are hilarious.i take it from this reaction ben lennopn has no weaknesses and if he does we should not be discussing them.
for me hes been a very disappointing first rnd pick to date. in saying that im more than happy to jusdge him in 3 yrs time but in the mean time i will criticise him and voice what i see as his weaknesses.
over the top! sh#t i would have thought writing a kid off after 7 games, 5 of which he started as sub, as over the top!
AND yes of course hes got weeknesses, he's 19yo ffs.
i try to ignore your posts mostly, but occasionally you say such idiotic things that you need to be corrected. i have read your choices of players to draft over the years, on here and other forums, and i would rather trust FJ
I'd believe you if your avatar wasn't Shane Edwards :whistle
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claw, do you rate anybody at the club highly?
He's played five games, and I think he was the sub quite a bit yeah?
Once he puts more weight on (in the right areas - IE LEGS) and develops physically (properly develops, not just slamming on summer-muscle) he will get quicker. Just needs to build some strength in the quads etc.
Don't need to be quick to be effective. Realistically the HBF/Wing should have been Matt White's. Epic F-U by RFC.
No it wasn't, bit part player who makes a token appearance in highlight reels
Need a bloke who can run and carry. White did a good job of that when told to do so. Wanted 2 years, offered 1, left.
Hampson, can tap in the ruck. Otherwise great for staring blankly and blankly staring. Offered 3 years.
Perspective...
On Hampson we agree, massive f up by RFC
They'll give him a contact extension too, 80% due to protecting arses of those who drafted him in the first place and 20% out of blind hope that he comes good
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Lack of pace notwithstanding, at worst Lennon will be a better version of Mitch Morton.
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To early ,but must say not convinced on him considering pick he was a pick 12. Looks to casual and one paced.
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
ffs the kid had knee surgery at the start of last year..
he avg 25 possies a game in TAC, so he can find the pill. during the carnival he avg 28 with 60% contested. plays a very similar game as goddard.
im starting to think you just make stuff up for the sake of laying into players or coaches or anything at all concerning richmond..
gotta say these over the top reactions are hilarious.i take it from this reaction ben lennopn has no weaknesses and if he does we should not be discussing them.
for me hes been a very disappointing first rnd pick to date. in saying that im more than happy to jusdge him in 3 yrs time but in the mean time i will criticise him and voice what i see as his weaknesses.
I agree with you, he won't make it. Has no standout attributes for mine
i said if his game cant translate to him becoming a mid he wont make it big difference to saying he isnt good enough and wont make it.
i would have thought that was as plain as day yet there are some around here who read into posts what they like. it makes one wonder about their intelligence at times because they clearly have no comprehension skills.yet they have a hide to have a go at my gramma.
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Snip ... Debate without the insults :banghead
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Snip ... Debate without the insults :banghead
you have my apolgies wp. for myself i was just returning fire. i feel i would not have had a need to if some things were nipped in the bud a bit quicker.
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Lack of pace notwithstanding, at worst Lennon will be a better version of Mitch Morton.
Goal sense?
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Lack of pace notwithstanding, at worst Lennon will be a better version of Mitch Morton.
Goal sense?
Yes - he plays his best football up forward.
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i think the kid can play. Still just finding his way in the game and he showed many times last year in the vfl and afl his exceptional talent.
1st kick = goal
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Whether he turns out good or bad only time will tell,but to write him off after just one season and his first in senior ranks is absurd
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i think the kid can play. Still just finding his way in the game and he showed many times last year in the vfl and afl his exceptional talent.
1st kick = goal
Often looked a class above in the VFL last year.
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Big year for him - obviously not expecting him to set the world on fire, but hoping to see some good signs bc as of right now, (imo)the only thing hes shown is he's a good kick of the footy - that's it. Needs to show more.
in hindsight i wish tm that your post is how i communicated my thoughts, basically it was all i originally did say. funny the different reactions to different posters.
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IMO If in time he cant play thru the midfield as an almost permanent fixture he wont make it. oh stuff it ill call it as i see it. slow, cant find enough of his own ball, soft. three major concerns. those of you who will come on here now and defend him, tell me what attributes he has to offset these things and what role does his attributes allow him to play.
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Lennon's learning ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-03-09/lennons-learnings
* I really like the half back role. I like watching the ball unfold in front of me and being able to be attacking as well. It’s a really good spot but you need to be quite defensive as well. I’ve obviously still got a long way to go but I’m really enjoying it.
* The Bulldogs game was really good testing out what I’d learned over the summer in a pre-season game. There was a few really good things and a few things I need to keep working on. It was good to blow the cobwebs out.”
* I had a hairline fracture which was obviously a bit more severe than what they first thought [Ben had hip surgery]. I couldn’t really do much for the first four weeks and when I came back it was a lot of swimming and bike. Throughout that time I was working pretty closely with Chris Newman, which was really good from my development. I learnt a lot off him.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-03-09/back-the-way-forward-for-lennon
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I reckon this kid is going to be all class sometime over the next few years. Mitchell-esque in the way he doesn't need pace just insane skills to go with a good football brain. Although he will be more of a forward/fill in midfielder unlike Mitchell
Mitchell oozes courage.
One of the gutsiest players in the competition
Lennon won't be the gutsiest players in the league but given time and confidence I believe he will learn when to go in hard and have the courage to do so. Just needs some time
i will say though and say i was wrong concerning his weight. he has had good gains and starts the yr at 84kg which is very close to where he needs to get.
Told you
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The guy is pure silk with his kicking skills. Can't wait for him to get match hardened and experienced.
I'm not sure what people are expecting of a 19 year old boy.
Just as a reminder, the best player in the AFL, GAJ, took several years before he became consistent. Not saying Ben will hit those levels but people should at least give him 3 to 4 years to hit his straps.
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Will be better than Ablett Jr. by a considerable margin.
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Will be better than Ablett Jr. by a considerable margin.
Can I have some of the stuff your taking Dio? Must be pretty good stuff! ;D
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Will be better than Ablett Jr. by a considerable margin.
Can I have some of the stuff your taking Dio? Must be pretty good stuff! ;D
Just get on him for the Browlow and come September you'll be able to buy as much as you like.
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Will be better than Ablett Jr. by a considerable margin.
Can I have some of the stuff your taking Dio? Must be pretty good stuff! ;D
Just get on him for the Browlow and come September you'll be able to buy as much as you like.
:lol
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Not sure about Lennon. Where does he fit in ? Maybe as a lead up HFF ? Seems to slow to play in the backline and mid.
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Called it from the very beginning. Kid is a dud and won't make it
Tickets on himself too
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Called it from the very beginning. Kid is a dud and won't make it
Tickets on himself too
At least he can kick
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Called it from the very beginning. Kid is a dud and won't make it
Tickets on himself too
At least he can kick
Turn over king
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dont feed the troll bents
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dont feed the troll bents
How am I trolling? His kicking is massively overrated. In the games I've seen him play he has missed targets more often than not
Funny bunch in here, if you bag a player you get called a troll but the reality is his kicking is average at best. FWIW the best kicking I've seen him do was from 50 and shooting at goаl in the Nab cup.. Anything else has missed a target most of the time
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For me the kid lacks intensity and getting involved in games.Now for a pick 12 he should be miles better.
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Have to agree with Phil. You hear a lot about his foot skills but in the games he's played I haven't seen much evidence of this. It's possible these errors are as a result of in the increased tempo at senior level but i'm not convinced.
Seems to me he could be the classic example of a guy who tricks everything into thinking he has great foot skills (good mechanics, long, penetrating) when he actually makes a lot of blunders by foot.
Despite this concern and his obvious lack of leg speed i would like to see him played pretty much every game for the rest of the season. He should also be left in the forward line where his over head marking, goal sense and creativity can be put to good use. There is some talent there and a skilful mid sized forward would be great for our structure.
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Way way way ahead of himself, will be another Alex Gilmour or Aaron Fiora if he doesn't pull his head in
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Have to agree with Phil. You hear a lot about his foot skills but in the games he's played I haven't seen much evidence of this. It's possible these errors are as a result of in the increased tempo at senior level but i'm not convinced.
Seems to me he could be the classic example of a guy who tricks everything into thinking he has great foot skills (good mechanics, long, penetrating) when he actually makes a lot of blunders by foot.
Despite this concern and his obvious lack of leg speed i would like to see him played pretty much every game for the rest of the season. He should also be left in the forward line where his over head marking, goal sense and creativity can be put to good use. There is some talent there and a skilful mid sized forward would be great for our structure.
Watch him play VFL and you can see the elite kick he is. I believe young players put so much pressure on them selves not to make a mistake out of the fear of being dragged, and then dropped back to the seconds, they struggle to play their natural game. Give Lennon the knowledge he will play minimum 6 games or more giving him the chance to show his skills.
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IMO he need to play deep. I think he gets a bit lost at the moment at HF.
Play him in a true forward pocket and let him lead at the footy. He is a ginuine footballer IMO, not super quick but if you know when to lead and where, you don't need to be quick...
Let's be honest, who would know if he is a good kick at this level, he doesn't get it enough ATM.
A big bodied mid would be pretty handy right now.... Patrick Cripps anyone??
Anyway let's hope FJ doesn't recruit another flanker for a few years.
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I just feel this kid hasn't had a proper chance. Ig he isn't the sub he's the subbed, if he's playing he's then dropped then back into the team when injuries hit then first dropped for the likes of Newman.
Just give the kid 4-5 games straight in a position he is used to and let him get some confidence and oppurtunity to keep his spot. We pick guys like Petterd, Arnot, Lambert before this kid.
Who would blame him for having bugger all confidence.
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Way way way ahead of himself, will be another Alex Gilmour or Aaron Fiora if he doesn't pull his head in
Based on what?
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Way way way ahead of himself, will be another Alex Gilmour or Aaron Fiora if he doesn't pull his head in
Based on what?
Knowledge
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Way way way ahead of himself, will be another Alex Gilmour or Aaron Fiora if he doesn't pull his head in
Based on what?
Knowledge
::)
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Called it from the very beginning. Kid is a dud and won't make it
Tickets on himself too
Like you'd know :lol
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Give him time to prove himself, he needs to just get involved more but I saw some promising signs.
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Called it from the very beginning. Kid is a dud and won't make it
Tickets on himself too
Like you'd know :lol
You got any mail on him bo :shh
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delist?
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Nooooooooooooooooooo
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Trade bait
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Will ask to be traded to his beloved Blues....
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I just feel this kid hasn't had a proper chance. Ig he isn't the sub he's the subbed, if he's playing he's then dropped then back into the team when injuries hit then first dropped for the likes of Newman.
Just give the kid 4-5 games straight in a position he is used to and let him get some confidence and oppurtunity to keep his spot. We pick guys like Petterd, Arnot, Lambert before this kid.
Who would blame him for having bugger all confidence.
agree 100% PL
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I just feel this kid hasn't had a proper chance. Ig he isn't the sub he's the subbed, if he's playing he's then dropped then back into the team when injuries hit then first dropped for the likes of Newman.
Just give the kid 4-5 games straight in a position he is used to and let him get some confidence and oppurtunity to keep his spot. We pick guys like Petterd, Arnot, Lambert before this kid.
Who would blame him for having bugger all confidence.
agree 100% PL
grigg, morris ...
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Trade bait
And you have the nerve to have a go at me for criticising Batch....Really, trade bait??? UNREAL!!!!
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Trade bait
And you have the nerve to have a go at me for criticising Batch....Really, trade bait??? UNREAL!!!!
Please show me where I had a go at you regarding Batch, WAT. I'm a little surprised, because usually I dont bother reading your crud.
I don't rate Lennon. I wouldn't give him up for peanuts but I'd entertain reasonable offers.
Everyone has a price. I know you struggle a bit, but surely even you can understand that.
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Trade bait
And you have the nerve to have a go at me for criticising Batch....Really, trade bait??? UNREAL!!!!
Please show me where I had a go at you regarding Batch, WAT. I'm a little surprised, because usually I dont bother reading your crud.
I don't rate Lennon. I wouldn't give him up for peanuts but I'd entertain reasonable offers.
Everyone has a price. I know you struggle a bit, but surely even you can understand that.
I only struggle with fools like you making idiotic comments such as trading Lennon.
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Page 43 of the Batchelor thread by the way...
"Batch was good yesterday. As was most of our backline, bar maybe Houli who made a couple of howlers.
WAT doesn't like him so he just pots him regardless.
It was our forward line and our midfield (defensively) that were/are the problem."
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Page 43 of the Batchelor thread by the way...
"Batch was good yesterday. As was most of our backline, bar maybe Houli who made a couple of howlers.
WAT doesn't like him so he just pots him regardless.
It was our forward line and our midfield (defensively) that were/are the problem."
Thanks for finding that.
I stand by all of my comments.
Why is trading Lennon idiotic, WAT?
Just because he is young you can't trade him?
What if, for instance, it was part of a deal to get Dangerfield?
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Page 43 of the Batchelor thread by the way...
"Batch was good yesterday. As was most of our backline, bar maybe Houli who made a couple of howlers.
WAT doesn't like him so he just pots him regardless.
It was our forward line and our midfield (defensively) that were/are the problem."
Thanks for finding that.
I stand by all of my comments.
Why is trading Lennon idiotic, WAT?
Just because he is young you can't trade him?
What if, for instance, it was part of a deal to get Dangerfield?
Don't mention it, pity you don't have the guts to apologise when you were clearly wrong.
Its got nothing to do with being young. He is a first round draft pick that has spent most time recovering from injury. He has had little to no game time. He has not been given a chance at all and you want to trade him.
However we persist with Morris, Batch and we have persesietd with Edwards for nine years but we cant give this KID a go... :huh :huh
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Page 43 of the Batchelor thread by the way...
"Batch was good yesterday. As was most of our backline, bar maybe Houli who made a couple of howlers.
WAT doesn't like him so he just pots him regardless.
It was our forward line and our midfield (defensively) that were/are the problem."
Thanks for finding that.
I stand by all of my comments.
Why is trading Lennon idiotic, WAT?
Just because he is young you can't trade him?
What if, for instance, it was part of a deal to get Dangerfield?
Don't mention it, pity you don't have the guts to apologise when you were clearly wrong.
Its got nothing to do with being young. He is a first round draft pick that has spent most time recovering from injury. He has had little to no game time. He has not been given a chance at all and you want to trade him.
However we persist with Morris, Batch and we have persesietd with Edwards for nine years but we cant give this KID a go... :huh :huh
What was I wrong about?
What do you mean by "has spent most time recovering from injury"? That doesn't even make sense.
If you think he is not tradale even if we were offered something decent then that's fine, we'll just agree to disagree.
By the way, you bringing Batch into this conversation supports my comment that you pot Batch whenever you can.
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Page 43 of the Batchelor thread by the way...
"Batch was good yesterday. As was most of our backline, bar maybe Houli who made a couple of howlers.
WAT doesn't like him so he just pots him regardless.
It was our forward line and our midfield (defensively) that were/are the problem."
Thanks for finding that.
I stand by all of my comments.
Why is trading Lennon idiotic, WAT?
Just because he is young you can't trade him?
What if, for instance, it was part of a deal to get Dangerfield?
Don't mention it, pity you don't have the guts to apologise when you were clearly wrong.
Its got nothing to do with being young. He is a first round draft pick that has spent most time recovering from injury. He has had little to no game time. He has not been given a chance at all and you want to trade him.
However we persist with Morris, Batch and we have persesietd with Edwards for nine years but we cant give this KID a go... :huh :huh
What was I wrong about?
What do you mean by "has spent most time recovering from injury"? That doesn't even make sense.
If you think he is not tradale even if we were offered something decent then that's fine, we'll just agree to disagree.
By the way, you bringing Batch into this conversation supports my comment that you pot Batch whenever you can.
:banghead..I really feel like self harming.
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Page 43 of the Batchelor thread by the way...
"Batch was good yesterday. As was most of our backline, bar maybe Houli who made a couple of howlers.
WAT doesn't like him so he just pots him regardless.
It was our forward line and our midfield (defensively) that were/are the problem."
Thanks for finding that.
I stand by all of my comments.
Why is trading Lennon idiotic, WAT?
Just because he is young you can't trade him?
What if, for instance, it was part of a deal to get Dangerfield?
Don't mention it, pity you don't have the guts to apologise when you were clearly wrong.
Its got nothing to do with being young. He is a first round draft pick that has spent most time recovering from injury. He has had little to no game time. He has not been given a chance at all and you want to trade him.
However we persist with Morris, Batch and we have persesietd with Edwards for nine years but we cant give this KID a go... :huh :huh
What was I wrong about?
What do you mean by "has spent most time recovering from injury"? That doesn't even make sense.
If you think he is not tradale even if we were offered something decent then that's fine, we'll just agree to disagree.
By the way, you bringing Batch into this conversation supports my comment that you pot Batch whenever you can.
:banghead..I really feel like self harming.
Understandable...
Just kidding, dont do it.
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Page 43 of the Batchelor thread by the way...
"Batch was good yesterday. As was most of our backline, bar maybe Houli who made a couple of howlers.
WAT doesn't like him so he just pots him regardless.
It was our forward line and our midfield (defensively) that were/are the problem."
Thanks for finding that.
I stand by all of my comments.
Why is trading Lennon idiotic, WAT?
Just because he is young you can't trade him?
What if, for instance, it was part of a deal to get Dangerfield?
Don't mention it, pity you don't have the guts to apologise when you were clearly wrong.
Its got nothing to do with being young. He is a first round draft pick that has spent most time recovering from injury. He has had little to no game time. He has not been given a chance at all and you want to trade him.
However we persist with Morris, Batch and we have persesietd with Edwards for nine years but we cant give this KID a go... :huh :huh
What was I wrong about?
What do you mean by "has spent most time recovering from injury"? That doesn't even make sense.
If you think he is not tradale even if we were offered something decent then that's fine, we'll just agree to disagree.
By the way, you bringing Batch into this conversation supports my comment that you pot Batch whenever you can.
:banghead..I really feel like self harming.
Understandable...
Just kidding, dont do it.
Too late, thanks to you I am missing an arm now.
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Page 43 of the Batchelor thread by the way...
"Batch was good yesterday. As was most of our backline, bar maybe Houli who made a couple of howlers.
WAT doesn't like him so he just pots him regardless.
It was our forward line and our midfield (defensively) that were/are the problem."
Thanks for finding that.
I stand by all of my comments.
Why is trading Lennon idiotic, WAT?
Just because he is young you can't trade him?
What if, for instance, it was part of a deal to get Dangerfield?
Don't mention it, pity you don't have the guts to apologise when you were clearly wrong.
Its got nothing to do with being young. He is a first round draft pick that has spent most time recovering from injury. He has had little to no game time. He has not been given a chance at all and you want to trade him.
However we persist with Morris, Batch and we have persesietd with Edwards for nine years but we cant give this KID a go... :huh :huh
What was I wrong about?
What do you mean by "has spent most time recovering from injury"? That doesn't even make sense.
If you think he is not tradale even if we were offered something decent then that's fine, we'll just agree to disagree.
By the way, you bringing Batch into this conversation supports my comment that you pot Batch whenever you can.
:banghead..I really feel like self harming.
Understandable...
Just kidding, dont do it.
Too late, thanks to you I am missing an arm now.
:lol
:thumbsup
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What do I have to do to make it so you can't type?
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What do I have to do to make it so you can't type?
Just keep posting, I just took off a foot.. ;D
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it's only a flesh wound..........
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it's only a flesh wound..........
:thumbsup
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it's only a flesh wound..........
One of my all time favourite scenes!! :lol :lol :lol
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list blocker grigg :clapping
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What do you mean by "has spent most time recovering from injury"? That doesn't even make sense.
What sense does this not make?
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What do you mean by "has spent most time recovering from injury"? That doesn't even make sense.
What sense does this not make?
I wasn't sure whether he meant that Lennon has spent most of his time at the club recovering from injury (which would be false) or whether he has had more time on the sidelines than other draftees (which would also be false).
In hindsight, it probably did make sense. What I should have said was that it was just wrong.
Anyway this discussion is long over. My main point was that I would offload Lennon if a decent offer was made and I stand by that comment.
Capiche?
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looks a player
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Was he good in the 2s?
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Was he good in the 2s?
Was arguably our best behind McDonough until 3/4 time - did sweet fa in the last though, which probably indicates his lack of a tank is still an issue more than anything.
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Thanks. Thats encouraging.
I hope I've been too hard on him.
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Was he good in the 2s?
didn't see much of it but 'looks' a natural footballer to me
good size, marks, kicks straight
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He's lazy.
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He's lazy.
Showed some talent. At least he has a few tools
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He's lazy.
Not at all. He is working hard and playing solid footy.
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He's lazy.
Not at all. He is working hard and playing solid footy.
I don't see him on the track so can't say whether he's lazy or not. I can say from what he's delivered on the field that he lacks intent and when you already have questions over your pace it comes across as looking a bit lazy..
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He's lazy.
Not at all. He is working hard and playing solid footy.
I don't see him on the track so can't say whether he's lazy or not. I can say from what he's delivered on the field that he lacks intent and when you already have questions over your pace it comes across as looking a bit lazy..
"He's lazy"
I mention this in regards to his output so far in his career & especially this year.
Ellis and Menedue have already surpassed him in the minds of the selection committee and that's a concern in light of our knowledge of the fact that Ellis didn't have a preseason and the clubs expectation of Menedue was only long term ie...."3 years away"
He was lauded at draft for his ability in contested footy, his versatility, overhead marking and precise kicking, question is, when will we get to see this consistently at senior level? And is he working hard enough to achieve this?
....I hope I'm wrong though because I have high expectations for this kid.
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He's lazy.
Not at all. He is working hard and playing solid footy.
I don't see him on the track so can't say whether he's lazy or not. I can say from what he's delivered on the field that he lacks intent and when you already have questions over your pace it comes across as looking a bit lazy..
"He's lazy"
I mention this in regards to his output so far in his career & especially this year.
Ellis and Menedue have already surpassed him in the minds of the selection committee and that's a concern in light of our knowledge of the fact that Ellis didn't have a preseason and the clubs expectation of Menedue was only long term ie...."3 years away"
He was lauded at draft for his ability in contested footy, his versatility, overhead marking and precise kicking, question is, when will we get to see this consistently at senior level? And is he working hard enough to achieve this?
....I hope I'm wrong though because I have high expectations for this kid.
Won't achieve anything at senior level if he doesn't get a game
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He's lazy.
Not at all. He is working hard and playing solid footy.
I don't see him on the track so can't say whether he's lazy or not. I can say from what he's delivered on the field that he lacks intent and when you already have questions over your pace it comes across as looking a bit lazy..
"He's lazy"
I mention this in regards to his output so far in his career & especially this year.
Ellis and Menedue have already surpassed him in the minds of the selection committee and that's a concern in light of our knowledge of the fact that Ellis didn't have a preseason and the clubs expectation of Menedue was only long term ie...."3 years away"
He was lauded at draft for his ability in contested footy, his versatility, overhead marking and precise kicking, question is, when will we get to see this consistently at senior level? And is he working hard enough to achieve this?
....I hope I'm wrong though because I have high expectations for this kid.
Won't achieve anything at senior level if he doesn't get a game
He shouldn't get a senior game unless he earns it.
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So it's one rule for Lennon but another for the likes of Newman & Vickery then?
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So it's one rule for Lennon but another for the likes of Newman & Vickery then?
And the kids he mentioned in his post as surpassed him
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He's lazy.
Not at all. He is working hard and playing solid footy.
I don't see him on the track so can't say whether he's lazy or not. I can say from what he's delivered on the field that he lacks intent and when you already have questions over your pace it comes across as looking a bit lazy..
"He's lazy"
I mention this in regards to his output so far in his career & especially this year.
Ellis and Menedue have already surpassed him in the minds of the selection committee and that's a concern in light of our knowledge of the fact that Ellis didn't have a preseason and the clubs expectation of Menedue was only long term ie...."3 years away"
He was lauded at draft for his ability in contested footy, his versatility, overhead marking and precise kicking, question is, when will we get to see this consistently at senior level? And is he working hard enough to achieve this?
....I hope I'm wrong though because I have high expectations for this kid.
Won't achieve anything at senior level if he doesn't get a game
He shouldn't get a senior game unless he earns it.
Do the like of morris and Chaplin earn a game every week?
Or are they given it without merit?
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So it's one rule for Lennon but another for the likes of Newman & Vickery then?
And the kids he mentioned in his post as surpassed him
Yes if you like, them too.
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I don't think any player should get a game unless they've earned it.
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I don't think any player should get a game unless they've earned it.
That's a nice philosophy
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Go and watch him live and see for yourself his improved work rate and willingness to run both ways. Improving every week, my belief is he needs to be played in the senior team for the rest of the year as he has class.
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He's lazy.
Not at all. He is working hard and playing solid footy.
I don't see him on the track so can't say whether he's lazy or not. I can say from what he's delivered on the field that he lacks intent and when you already have questions over your pace it comes across as looking a bit lazy..
"He's lazy"
I mention this in regards to his output so far in his career & especially this year.
Ellis and Menedue have already surpassed him in the minds of the selection committee and that's a concern in light of our knowledge of the fact that Ellis didn't have a preseason and the clubs expectation of Menedue was only long term ie...."3 years away"
He was lauded at draft for his ability in contested footy, his versatility, overhead marking and precise kicking, question is, when will we get to see this consistently at senior level? And is he working hard enough to achieve this?
....I hope I'm wrong though because I have high expectations for this kid.
The clubs expectations of Menedue after his great pre season was selection for round 1. This changed after the pre season games but believe me, he was expected to play this year and to his credit, he has.
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Go and watch him live and see for yourself his improved work rate and willingness to run both ways. Improving every week, my belief is he needs to be played in the senior team for the rest of the year as he has class.
I will ask you then because you watch the seconds first hand....
is Lennon ahead of Ellis or Menedue in development?
has his exclusion from the senior team behind these two warranted?
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Lennon should be playing. We need skill & class and he has it. Same goes for McDonough. Replace hacks like Hunt & Morris with them and we'll be a much better side for it.
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Go and watch him live and see for yourself his improved work rate and willingness to run both ways. Improving every week, my belief is he needs to be played in the senior team for the rest of the year as he has class.
I will ask you then because you watch the seconds first hand....
is Lennon ahead of Ellis or Menedue in development?
has his exclusion from the senior team behind these two warranted?
There is no doubt Lennon has improved and is improving the defensive side of his game which was required however, he has still maintained his attacking nature. Has Ellis and MEnedue passed him this year? Maybe but they play different roles in the team. I see Lennon as a hard working high half forward moving into the future and someone who can take a great grab and finish. He is not lazy, far from it in fact, just learning how to become the best player he can be. The boy can play :clapping
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Interesting to see how Lennon will stack up against some of these others in his draft
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_AFL_draft
Can't wait to see hacksons next draft gems he brings to the table
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Can't wait to see hacksons next draft gems he brings to the table
You forgot to mention Blair, found out last week that Blair heads up all aspects of recruiting, means (1) Jackson reports directly to Hartley and (2) and Hartley has significant say in who we draft :o
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Can't wait to see hacksons next draft gems he brings to the table
You forgot to mention Blair, found out last week that Blair heads up all aspects of recruiting, means (1) Jackson reports directly to Hartley and (2) and Hartley has significant say in who we draft :o
Perhaps a good thing. Our last draft haul looks pretty fine.
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Can't wait to see hacksons next draft gems he brings to the table
You forgot to mention Blair, found out last week that Blair heads up all aspects of recruiting, means (1) Jackson reports directly to Hartley and (2) and Hartley has significant say in who we draft :o
Perhaps a good thing. Our last draft haul looks pretty fine.
Agree but what about the previous ones? Especially 2013 when we went mature rather than kids? That was all on Blair's recommendation :snidegrin
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Can't wait to see hacksons next draft gems he brings to the table
You forgot to mention Blair, found out last week that Blair heads up all aspects of recruiting, means (1) Jackson reports directly to Hartley and (2) and Hartley has significant say in who we draft :o
Perhaps a good thing. Our last draft haul looks pretty fine.
Agree but what about the previous ones? Especially 2013 when we went mature rather than kids? That was all on Blair's recommendation :snidegrin
Just on that at this stage it looks like it was a very poor draft from about pick 30.
Whilst Gordon and Lloyd haven't added much and we picked up a bunch of cheap offcuts, we did also pick up Anthony Miles.
Not like there have been a heap of diamond in the rough kids that have gone on to do much in the last compromised draft.
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Can't wait to see hacksons next draft gems he brings to the table
You forgot to mention Blair, found out last week that Blair heads up all aspects of recruiting, means (1) Jackson reports directly to Hartley and (2) and Hartley has significant say in who we draft :o
You really believe that? A bloke who has been there for 10 years plays second fiddle to Hartley.
They re both as bad as each other.
When are they going to produce 1 elite player outside the first round. I would love to know who holds them to account!
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Can't wait to see hacksons next draft gems he brings to the table
You forgot to mention Blair, found out last week that Blair heads up all aspects of recruiting, means (1) Jackson reports directly to Hartley and (2) and Hartley has significant say in who we draft :o
Perhaps a good thing. Our last draft haul looks pretty fine.
DOES IT ????. You can make that call after just 1/2 a season wow.
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lmao. many make the opposite call on draft night.
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You really believe that? A bloke who has been there for 10 years plays second fiddle to Hartley.
Yes I do because it's what we got told last week at a coterie function. To borrow a line from a number of other posters on this forum it is FACT
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lmao. many make the opposite call on draft night.
You want to win a flag you need to pluck gems from high picks and rookies. See hawks/Swans/Cats. I am not saying everyone needs to come from the back end but bloody hell can he give us just one a grader
Haven't hit a rookie selection in years. Miles well kudos to Hartley there but FJ is as poor as you can get IMO. 10 years is a lot in 1 job with his numbers
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missed the point completely these sonny
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lmao. many make the opposite call on draft night.
:thumbsup
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Yeah got it now albert. Makes sense
WP I still find it hard to believe that Blair is searching for used talent as well as searching the kids. What is FJ doing then? Waiting for Conca to become the player he wants him to be
The problem is under dimwit nothing will happen. No matter how much money is poured into the coffers they won't spend it on recruiting or development. IMO it's very difficult to win a flag unless you open your purse and invest in off field
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WP I still find it hard to believe that Blair is searching for used talent as well as searching the kids. What is FJ doing then? Waiting for Conca to become the player he wants him to be
Angus I never said he was out looking for talent and FJ wasn't, all I said is he is FJ's boss and that he has a lot more to do with recruiting than thought. Hartley is in charge in list management and as such has a major call on who we draft. Massive difference
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Crips
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Crips
poo
I can put up with people slagging off our players or our coach but nothing annoys me more than someone comparing draft picks especially 18 months into someones career.
Same idiots who complained about Rance when he was young, plenty of sooks over Shed for a long time before he has come good, same idiots who complained about missing out on players when we drafted Dusty.
Just let them develop for christs sake.
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I totally agree with your post except Edwards took 6 yrs to become afl level so his criticism was warranted
Hard to know if these players are any good if dimwit doesn't never plays them
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Nothing wrong with criticising players, its the comparison to others that does my head in. Cripps is given a full time role in the midfield at Carlton. Who is to say he would be in our midfield at all? Doubt it. He'd be playing off the half back flank or forward flank. Or possibly in the 2's mastering his art. Exactly the same as Ben Lennon.
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Crips
poo
I can put up with people slagging off our players or our coach but nothing annoys me more than someone comparing draft picks especially 18 months into someones career.
Same idiots who complained about Rance when he was young, plenty of sooks over Shed for a long time before he has come good, same idiots who complained about missing out on players when we drafted Dusty.
Just let them develop for christs sake.
Many complaints about fiora... Oh wait
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lennon=arnot=astbuty=dea
some people just dont get it!!!!!!!!!!
they will NEvER be senior players
ellis menadue and co are already ahead of them
just get over it....they dont have what ot takes
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lennon=arnot=astbuty=dea
some people just dont get it!!!!!!!!!!
they will NEvER be senior players
ellis menadue and co are already ahead of them
just get over it....they dont have what ot takes
got 9 touches in the vfl...
should of never been dropped
newman :facepalm
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With big Ben going down with the shoulder, big opportunity for little Ben to play well tomorrow and play as that HHF. Bring it!
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With big Ben going down with the shoulder, big opportunity for little Ben to play well tomorrow and play as that HHF. Bring it!
I thinks he's talented enough but sugar coat it all you want IMO he's either lazy or unfit if he's not dominating the twos or not hungry enough.
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With big Ben going down with the shoulder, big opportunity for little Ben to play well tomorrow and play as that HHF. Bring it!
I thinks he's talented enough but sugar coat it all you want IMO he's either lazy or unfit if he's not dominating the twos or not hungry enough.
If he's playing forward in the twos
And the twos are getting pumped every week
What's he sposed to do?
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With big Ben going down with the shoulder, big opportunity for little Ben to play well tomorrow and play as that HHF. Bring it!
I thinks he's talented enough but sugar coat it all you want IMO he's either lazy or unfit if he's not dominating the twos or not hungry enough.
If he's playing forward in the twos
And the twos are getting pumped every week
What's he sposed to do?
WANT IT!
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With big Ben going down with the shoulder, big opportunity for little Ben to play well tomorrow and play as that HHF. Bring it!
I thinks he's talented enough but sugar coat it all you want IMO he's either lazy or unfit if he's not dominating the twos or not hungry enough.
If he's playing forward in the twos
And the twos are getting pumped every week
What's he sposed to do?
WANT IT!
He could be Wayne Carey if the ball doesn't go there it doesn't matter how much be wants it
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With big Ben going down with the shoulder, big opportunity for little Ben to play well tomorrow and play as that HHF. Bring it!
I thinks he's talented enough but sugar coat it all you want IMO he's either lazy or unfit if he's not dominating the twos or not hungry enough.
If he's playing forward in the twos
And the twos are getting pumped every week
What's he sposed to do?
WANT IT!
He could be Wayne Carey if the ball doesn't go there it doesn't matter how much be wants it
Richmond’s VFL coach Tim Clarke's summary of the Tigers’ AFL-listed players ...
Ben Lennon
18 disposals, three tackles
Played wing most of the day. Still learning the role, which is going to add another string to his bow. Every time Ben gets the ball, something happens with our side. He didn’t hit the scoreboard, but he did contribute to two or three goals. Hopefully Ben can keep improving the wing role over the next two or three weeks.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-06-30/the-vfl-report-round-11
Looks like he's playing on the wing so.........
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With big Ben going down with the shoulder, big opportunity for little Ben to play well tomorrow and play as that HHF. Bring it!
I thinks he's talented enough but sugar coat it all you want IMO he's either lazy or unfit if he's not dominating the twos or not hungry enough.
If he's playing forward in the twos
And the twos are getting pumped every week
What's he sposed to do?
WANT IT!
He could be Wayne Carey if the ball doesn't go there it doesn't matter how much be wants it
Richmond’s VFL coach Tim Clarke's summary of the Tigers’ AFL-listed players ...
Ben Lennon
18 disposals, three tackles
Played wing most of the day. Still learning the role, which is going to add another string to his bow. Every time Ben gets the ball, something happens with our side. He didn’t hit the scoreboard, but he did contribute to two or three goals. Hopefully Ben can keep improving the wing role over the next two or three weeks.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-06-30/the-vfl-report-round-11
Looks like he's playing on the wing so.........
Fair enough. From the little I've seen I saw him forward
How many games he played on a wing?
Good to see him in the best, again
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With big Ben going down with the shoulder, big opportunity for little Ben to play well tomorrow and play as that HHF. Bring it!
I thinks he's talented enough but sugar coat it all you want IMO he's either lazy or unfit if he's not dominating the twos or not hungry enough.
25 touches
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With big Ben going down with the shoulder, big opportunity for little Ben to play well tomorrow and play as that HHF. Bring it!
I thinks he's talented enough but sugar coat it all you want IMO he's either lazy or unfit if he's not dominating the twos or not hungry enough.
25 touches
Not just the touches but he is learning the craft of being a utility. Clarke was very hard on him in the reports earlier in the season in the areas of taking marks as a forward and seizing his chances. They want a player of his class getting a bit more contested footy. They are trying to get him to harden up, this is what he has to do if he wants to break into the team as a HHF as The Machine suggested. There has not been any mention of fitness or laziness, and Clarke does mention these things if they are an issue.
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Classy
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needs a call up against the Saints for Edwards
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needs a call up against the Saints for Edwards
if edwards ok needscall up for Newman
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why not both?
mcdonough in for edwards
lennon in for newman
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why not both?
mcdonough in for edwards
lennon in for newman
im just not sure about mcdonough, are corey ellis or menadue more versatile,?
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why not both?
mcdonough in for edwards
lennon in for newman
im just not sure about mcdonough, are corey ellis or menadue more versatile,?
Mendue has been kind of Awful
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why not both?
mcdonough in for edwards
lennon in for newman
Like that :thumbsup
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Ando @Tigers_of_Old twitter 1h
"Some rumour that Lennon has put off contract talks until the end of the year.."
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old
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Don't blame him.. Hasn't had a run at senior level really. Hasn't done much to earn selection either though. Would definitely trade him if we can get something decent, feel like he's a nothing player
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Let him go play for his beloved Blues then, they can give us Yarran...
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Don't blame him.. Hasn't had a run at senior level really. Hasn't done much to earn selection either though. Would definitely trade him if we can get something decent, feel like he's a nothing player
Newman earned a game?
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...and that's probably why he wants to leave, Bent Judge...
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Don't blame him.. Hasn't had a run at senior level really. Hasn't done much to earn selection either though. Would definitely trade him if we can get something decent, feel like he's a nothing player
Newman earned a game?
absolutely not mate but lennon obviously has to force his way into the side and he hasnt done that what so ever. Everyone agrees newman shouldnt be getting a game but unfortunately thats the way it is and lennon should realise that too and give them no choice but to drop newman for him
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he's probably peeed off Morris/Newman weren't named among the best in thier VFL games yet go straight in where as he & McDonough are in the best more often than not 7 don't get a look in......
have to say i don't blame him......
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using one act of foolishness to justify another is...well...foolish.
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Imagine losing a first rounder because we were busy developing a young gun like Newman. :shh :shh
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stuffen Newman............
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you all do realise this is an unsubstantiated rumour ?
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you do realise such things are unimportant to some?
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you do realise such things are unimportant to some?
:)
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Figjam is his middle name
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Was Buckley's first name...he went alright...
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Was Buckley's first name...he went alright...
Exactly. If you can walk the walk......
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Hopefully Lennon can go towards us getting Treloar then.
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There's an article on afl website about Aish and a couple others, that's where it mentions Lennon waiting till end of season
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There's an article on afl website about Aish and a couple others, that's where it mentions Lennon waiting till end of season
What article was that? Had a look but could not find it. Must keep this bloke IMO.
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you all do realise this is an unsubstantiated rumour ?
Nah, one of the mods posted it so it's all good ::)
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you all do realise this is an unsubstantiated rumour ?
Lol, yep. But lets not allow that to get in the road of panicked comment.
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like clubs would be lining up huge offers for a guy who struggles to have an impact in the VFL. I'd like to see him playing AFL too but come on, it's not that much to ask for some top notch VFL games to force his way in. Come on
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Lennon was a first round pick only two years ago, to varying degrees he has an impact in most games, has been among the bests regularly this year and is clearly a class above VFL - reckon he'd have some currency. In regards to him forcing his way in -well I'd say he's done fair bit more than has been asked of certain others.
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He was given games early for not doing much like Cory Ellis and menadue have in their first year too. I guess the difference is he has to work his way up now. You know what you're gonna get from Morris every week. Yes he didn't do enough at vfl to deserve a call up but you know you're gonna get his aggression and pressure when you select him. Same can't be said for Lennon. Newman on the other hands a whole other story :/ needs to retire that old fella.
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you all do realise this is an unsubstantiated rumour ?
Nah, one of the mods posted it so it's all good ::)
T.O.O. has been on the net for years and isn't one to just make stuff up. In any case, if it was in an AFL website article that Lennon has put off talks until the end of the season then it's hardly unsubstantiated.
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Anyway, this is what Lennon has said himself this week:
AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/boos/3372593-talking-tigers-episode-18-2015
* I feel like I’ve learned a lot this year and I’m still developing. Obviously, it’s frustrating not playing in the 'ones' but it’s more of a journey than a sprint, so I’ve just got to keep on working on my deficiencies and hopefully get in the seniors.
* I’ve been all right the last couple of weeks, learning the role as a wingman. Just trying to nail the role more so than anything and then ball will come. The coach wants the ball in my hands as much as possible, so just trying to get as much of it as I can, running a lot more and getting into the defensive half as well. I’ve got to try and play my role as best I can and run the right patterns and all that sort of thing as well.
* I have had stints down the backline and the forward line, so playing in the midfield and on the wing will add another string to my bow. It’s a little bit frustrating at times being thrown in different positions. You sort of feel like you’ve nailed one and then next minute you’re back in the backline or something like that. But I think, looking back, it’s been really good for me and it’s only going to hold me in good stead. I know that if I get some opportunity, I’ll be able to play at the level. But I’ve just got to play some good footy in the VFL and earn my spot. I’ve just got to keep telling myself that I’m a good player and can play at the level.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-07-16/lennon-learns-valuable-lessons
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you all do realise this is an unsubstantiated rumour ?
Nah, one of the mods posted it so it's all good ::)
T.O.O. has been on the net for years and isn't one to just make stuff up. In any case, if it was in an AFL website article that Lennon has put off talks until the end of the season then it's hardly unsubstantiated.
Hahahah I will apologise to him on Sunday when I see him !
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"Sorry you gotta earn a spot , but dimmas mates don't Benny"
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do you think players should have to earn their spot with sustained quality performances?
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do you think players should have to earn their spot with sustained quality performances?
There are exceptions, but generally yes....and Lennon has at least done that moreso than Newman, Morris & Gordon.....now maybe Gordon gets a game for his pace -something which Lennon admitttedly lacks- and Morris for a very specific role (that he's not very good at IMO but anyway) but I can see no real reason why Newman in particular is getting games ahead of Lennon or for that matter, McDonough.
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nor can I, but i just dont get using something you think is wrong when applied to one person as argument for justifying the same thing to others.
I'd much prefer to see young kids truly earn their spots in the senior team by a series of performances that just cant be ignored.
I would much rather it be due to those in the team actually earning their spots though, but i'm not about to contradict my own belief's and expect something i don't like to be applied more widely.
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Exactly.
We know some players get gifted games. It's not good but It doesn't mean that young players shouldn't have to earn it.
And could we please stop brining Newman, Morris etc into every stuffing thread. We all know the situation.
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Lennon wouldn't be getting gifted anything....has done enough to get a game ahead of Newman as has McDonough.
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Lennon wouldn't be getting gifted anything....has done enough to get a game ahead of Newman as has McDonough.
Really isn't that difficult though. Some of the VFL listed blokes offer more than Newman.
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Lennon wouldn't be getting gifted anything....has done enough to get a game ahead of Newman as has McDonough.
I agree. He deserves a game on merit, not because "Morris and Newman derr derrpy derrrpppp"
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There's an article on afl website about Aish and a couple others, that's where it mentions Lennon waiting till end of season
What article was that? Had a look but could not find it. Must keep this bloke IMO.
T.O.O. has now added the AFL website link to his post on twitter.
Richmond's No.12 pick Ben Lennon is also set to wait until the end of the season before talks progress about his next deal, after breaking into the Tigers' line-up just once this year.
The talented half-forward has picked up some good form in the VFL in the past fortnight and will be hoping to add to his eight senior games in the back-end of the season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-14/eagles-set-to-move-quickly-to-lock-down-sheed#sthash.F9JPNQn7.dpuf
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do you think players should have to earn their spot with sustained quality performances?
yes, but Miles was a super standout, blind freddy could see it, but it took Dimma, 3 extra weeks to see it, Miles had an immediate impact when promoted.
Lennon should replace Newman IMO, no question, it is as obvious as was Miles's callup.
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do you think players should have to earn their spot with sustained quality performances?
yes, but Miles was a super standout, blind freddy could see it, but it took Dimma, 3 extra weeks to see it, Miles had an immediate impact when promoted.
Lennon should replace Newman IMO, no question, it is as obvious as was Miles's callup.
well said
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Please don't start him as the sub Dimma.
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do you think players should have to earn their spot with sustained quality performances?
yes, but Miles was a super standout, blind freddy could see it, but it took Dimma, 3 extra weeks to see it, Miles had an immediate impact when promoted.
Lennon should replace Newman IMO, no question, it is as obvious as was Miles's callup.
no disagreement, but we digress.
originally someone stated they didnt believe Lennon had earned a spot, and some trawled the old line about newman as if that somehow qualified lennon.
that is all i was discussing, not whether he actually had earned a spot.
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Bring it Ben!
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I hope he plays well and keeps his spot because I have high hopes for the boy.
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Amazing what happens when we play our young blokes.... 3 goals
"Blah blah blah lets stuffin trade him" stuffin useless tossers
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Having a great game :clapping
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we gotta keep this guy is a sml/med forward against freo next week.
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Ben did bring it :clapping
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Amazing what happens when we play our young blokes.... 3 goals
"Blah blah blah lets stuffin trade him" stuffin useless tossers
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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3. Lennon arrives
Richmond has been patient with Ben Lennon, playing the young half-forward in eight matches since he was recruited with pick No.12 in the 2013 NAB AFL Draft. Expect that rate of appearance to accelerate now after a breakout game against the Saints. Lennon showed his class with three goals in the first three quarters, including a brilliant snap over his shoulder just before three-quarter time. He has been made to earn his spot this season, with strong VFL form not always rewarded. Now he is in the 22, Richmond will be hoping he can demand to hold his spot and add class in the run to finals.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-19/five-talking-points-st-kilda-v-richmond
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we gotta keep this guy is a sml/med forward against freo next week.
Injured
Won't play next week
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Lennon
C Ellis
Shane Edwards all out?
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Good signs from Ben tonight. Still a long way to go but there were certainly signs of class that made him such a promising talent.
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do you think players should have to earn their spot with sustained quality performances?
yes, but Miles was a super standout, blind freddy could see it, but it took Dimma, 3 extra weeks to see it, Miles had an immediate impact when promoted.
Lennon should replace Newman IMO, no question, it is as obvious as was Miles's callup.
As I understand we couldn't play Miles in the senior squad until we put j. King on the long term injury list as he was a Rookie listed player. But yes, I see lennon ahead of guys like Newman and Morris as it stands.
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do you think players should have to earn their spot with sustained quality performances?
yes, but Miles was a super standout, blind freddy could see it, but it took Dimma, 3 extra weeks to see it, Miles had an immediate impact when promoted.
Lennon should replace Newman IMO, no question, it is as obvious as was Miles's callup.
As I understand we couldn't play Miles in the senior squad until we put j. King on the long term injury list as he was a Rookie listed player. But yes, I see lennon ahead of guys like Newman and Morris as it stands.
Thanks for the info, I guess it must be difficult, do we delist Newman and promote someone else, there are many issues with contractual obligations, is Newman more consistent at this stage?? etc etc.
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newman is the most the consistent player onthe list - consistently crap that is.
And on miles, Hardwick said himself they didnt realise how good he would be ( or words to that effect) ::)
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we gotta keep this guy is a sml/med forward against freo next week.
Injured
Won't play next week
that would be a shame
whats wrong with him?
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newman is the most the consistent player onthe list - consistently crap that is.
And on miles, Hardwick said himself they didnt realise how good he would be ( or words to that effect) ::)
Neither did GWS or the other 16 teams I suppose.
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we gotta keep this guy is a sml/med forward against freo next week.
Injured
Won't play next week
that would be a shame
whats wrong with him?
dimma said in the press conference post game just cramp
not listed on any injury report anywhere.
hopefully just that.
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newman is the most the consistent player onthe list - consistently crap that is.
And on miles, Hardwick said himself they didnt realise how good he would be ( or words to that effect) ::)
Neither did GWS or the other 16 teams I suppose.
but only hardwick made that asessment while he was tearing it up in the VFL
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He's ready to have areal crack
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Dimma didn't rate miles
After going a month of miles going 20 contested possession p game
bizarre
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Dimma didn't rate miles
After going a month of miles going 20 contested possession p game
bizarre
Factually incorrect
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newman is the most the consistent player onthe list - consistently crap that is.
And on miles, Hardwick said himself they didnt realise how good he would be ( or words to that effect) ::)
Neither did GWS or the other 16 teams I suppose.
but only hardwick made that asessment while he was tearing it up in the VFL
And again, Hardwick couldnt promote him earlier as he was Rookie listed. Those comments were made after he'd (Miles) been killing it at AFL for a month.
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newman is the most the consistent player onthe list - consistently crap that is.
And on miles, Hardwick said himself they didnt realise how good he would be ( or words to that effect) ::)
Neither did GWS or the other 16 teams I suppose.
but only hardwick made that asessment while he was tearing it up in the VFL
And again, Hardwick couldnt promote him earlier as he was Rookie listed. Those comments were made after he'd (Miles) been killing it at AFL for a month.
Many of us on here were screaming at the club to promote him prior to game 1 after his pre-season games and looking at logical list requirements, especially when they had an early season opportunity with Maric's injury. The fact it took Hardwick and the rest of the dumb-arse coaching group until nearly mid-season was a sore point on here all year. Our comments and observations were made well before he showed what we saw as the bleeding obvious - he was a class above most.
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I believe that you will find that it still took until the third week after he was promoted onto the main list for him to get a senior gig.
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newman is the most the consistent player onthe list - consistently crap that is.
And on miles, Hardwick said himself they didnt realise how good he would be ( or words to that effect) ::)
Neither did GWS or the other 16 teams I suppose.
but only hardwick made that asessment while he was tearing it up in the VFL
And again, Hardwick couldnt promote him earlier as he was Rookie listed. Those comments were made after he'd (Miles) been killing it at AFL for a month.
Many of us on here were screaming at the club to promote him prior to game 1 after his pre-season games and looking at logical list requirements, especially when they had an early season opportunity with Maric's injury. The fact it took Hardwick and the rest of the dumb-arse coaching group until nearly mid-season was a sore point on here all year. Our comments and observations were made well before he showed what we saw as the bleeding obvious - he was a class above most.
correct
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newman is the most the consistent player onthe list - consistently crap that is.
And on miles, Hardwick said himself they didnt realise how good he would be ( or words to that effect) ::)
Neither did GWS or the other 16 teams I suppose.
but only hardwick made that asessment while he was tearing it up in the VFL
And again, Hardwick couldnt promote him earlier as he was Rookie listed. Those comments were made after he'd (Miles) been killing it at AFL for a month.
well lets consider the situation shall we?
we had maric with a long term injury but was not put on the LTI list, which would have enabled miles to be elevated earlier.
on or about 1'st of may jake king was put on the LTI list.
Miles was elevated 20th may. He was named for his first senior game june 6th.
so i think you may be off the mark with comments that he could not have been elevated/played earlier
hardwick made those comments after he had been killing it at senior level and questions were being asked about why it took so long to give him a crack.
I was probably the only person not wetting myself over miles not getting a go earlier, because i felt we learned a lot about him in that he just put his head down and worked his arse off with performance after performance untill they could no longer ignore him.
I was greatly disturbed by the reason Hardwick gave as why this happened though, which was basically that despite carving it up at VFL level he didnt rate Miles.
I also think it may have been during this period that hardwick said that we were playing our best 22 and had nothing in reserve to bring in, despite getting embarrassed week in week out by pith poor performances
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Ben Lennon desperate to hold his place in Richmond’s line-up after win over St Kilda
Lauren Wood
Herald-Sun
July 21, 2015
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick is usually the one dishing out the job to his charges, but he can expect his own heavy tag this week.
After a solid performance against St Kilda on Sunday, small forward Ben Lennon plans on pulling out all stops to ensure he holds his spot in the Tigers’ outfit.
Lennon, 20, has been a fixture of Richmond’s VFL side this year, but made his mark on Sunday with three goals and 15 disposals.
In the absence of Shane Edwards, who is out with a fracture in his leg, Lennon pounced on his opportunity.
“I think I’ll have to knock on (Hardwick’s) door,” he told the Herald Sun.
“I’ll definitely be trying to touch base with him throughout the week and trying and get on his good side.”
Taken with a first-round pick in the 2013 draft, Lennon played seven games last year, starting as the sub on five of those occasions.
He’s now featured twice this season, saying he has been working with assistant coach Mark Williams to make sure he doesn’t waste his chances.
“Obviously I’ve been playing in the VFL and just trying to play well and push for a spot,” he said.
“I’m always talking with Choco (Williams) about making your mark when you get your opportunity.
“Hopefully I went all right and can hold a spot from this week.”
Hardwick isn’t offering the young gun any guarantees, but says he was pleased with Sunday’s showing from both Lennon and fellow youngster Matt McDonough.
And in a strong sign for 20-year-old Lennon, Hardwick’s confident that there’s plenty more where that came from.
“To kick three goals was terrific,” he said.
“They’re only going to get better. The difference between the game at VFL and AFL level is hard to describe these days. It’s a completely different ball game as we know, and the speed of the game will take them a little bit of time to get used to.
“Whether we afford them another chance next week, we’d like to hope so, and hopefully they can build on that performance.”
Saturday sees Richmond host Fremantle at the MCG, and while the ladder-leading Dockers might not have been on song in recent weeks, Lennon says the Tigers know they can’t afford to stop for a quarter like they did against St Kilda.
“We can’t take much out of their form lately, we’ve just got to take them on how many wins they’ve got,” he said.
“We’ve got to be on from the start to the finish”.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ben-lennon-desperate-to-hold-his-place-in-richmonds-line-up-after-win-over-st-kilda/story-fndv8t7m-1227449697572
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doesnt seem like anyone has told ben about his injury that will make him miss next weeks game and a few more.
"Hey Ben, you are injured. End of story, clown"
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doesnt seem like anyone has told ben about his injury that will make him miss next weeks game and a few more.
"Hey Ben, you are injured. End of story, clown"
:lol :rollin
Bloody stupid Ben... ;D
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doesnt seem like anyone has told ben about his injury that will make him miss next weeks game and a few more.
"Hey Ben, you are injured. End of story, clown"
Wait till Thursday then
Reports in rooms after game that he had an " adductor issue " and would miss 2 games
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doesnt seem like anyone has told ben about his injury that will make him miss next weeks game and a few more.
"Hey Ben, you are injured. End of story, clown"
Wait till Thursday then
Reports in rooms after game that he had an " inductor issue " and would miss 2 games
Any competent electrician can repair that!! :lol
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doesnt seem like anyone has told ben about his injury that will make him miss next weeks game and a few more.
"Hey Ben, you are injured. End of story, clown"
Wait till Thursday then
Reports in rooms after game that he had an " inductor issue " and would miss 2 games
Any competent electrician can repair that!! :lol
I rewind electric motors. Just send Ben down and I'll sort his inductor out, can't do anything about his adductor though ;D
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:lol
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doesnt seem like anyone has told ben about his injury that will make him miss next weeks game and a few more.
"Hey Ben, you are injured. End of story, clown"
Wait till Thursday then
Reports in rooms after game that he had an " adductor issue " and would miss 2 games
u mean adductor cramp? lol
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newman is the most the consistent player onthe list - consistently crap that is.
And on miles, Hardwick said himself they didnt realise how good he would be ( or words to that effect) ::)
Neither did GWS or the other 16 teams I suppose.
but only hardwick made that asessment while he was tearing it up in the VFL
And again, Hardwick couldnt promote him earlier as he was Rookie listed. Those comments were made after he'd (Miles) been killing it at AFL for a month.
Actually there were a few weeks there where he could of promoted him but chose not to and then even longer for him to actually get a game once promoted
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nice to have a guy that can kick
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Was all class today. His set shots never looked like missing and did a couple of kicks trying to centre the ball, one of which led to McKintosh goaling. Nice short pass to lids ended in a goal too. All up 4 goals (2 himself and 2 assists) in of the 10 scored is great stuff from Ben.
Well done son.
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Was all class today. His set shots never looked like missing and did a couple of kicks trying to centre the ball, one of which led to McKintosh goaling. Nice short pass to lids ended in a goal too. All up 4 goals (2 himself and 2 assists) in of the 10 scored is great stuff from Ben.
Well done son.
He certainly looks the goods. Let's hope he keeps improving.
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Why did we persist with Gordon over him?? Back the kids Dimma.
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His play to set up McKintosh's goal was as good as anything you'll see. Bomber Thompson is a massive wrap on him.
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Was all class today. His set shots never looked like missing and did a couple of kicks trying to centre the ball, one of which led to McKintosh goaling. Nice short pass to lids ended in a goal too. All up 4 goals (2 himself and 2 assists) in of the 10 scored is great stuff from Ben.
Well done son.
Agree
Another step forward tonight
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This lad is better at the top level. He is no good playing in the ressies. He has the skill & l like to see him stay in the side :thumbsup
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Thought he played well without many touches. Should've kicked a few goals. I was a doubter but I reckon there's a place for him in the side if he keeps this up
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Great effort for such an injured player. ::)
Not only has he not missed a game but he is in career best form.
Seriously, we should stop listening to continuingly fabricated rubbish as per below.
doesnt seem like anyone has told ben about his injury that will make him miss next weeks game and a few more.
"Hey Ben, you are injured. End of story, clown"
Wait till Thursday then
Reports in rooms after game that he had an " adductor issue " and would miss 2 games
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This lad is better at the top level. He is no good playing in the ressies. He has the skill & l like to see him stay in the side :thumbsup
He backed your opinion up last night TM, played very well I thought. I'm starting to really like what I see.
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Thought he played well without many touches. Should've kicked a few goals. I was a doubter but I reckon there's a place for him in the side if he keeps this up
Pretty much this for me. He had impact yesterday - you can see his belief and confidence growing by the week.
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Enjoyed watching the replay multiple times. U thought Lennon was amazing.
Saw multiple contests 2 on 1 where he halved the contest. Exactly what Dimma has been banging on about for months. Plenty of clever blocks too. Really like him
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Silk
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Really starting to settle in at the top level.
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Very good game. That drop but collect then handball to deledio showed he's got good decision making but once he gains more confidence and composure he'll stop dropping the ball and slotting them for himself which only comes with game time. :thumbsup
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he dropped that ball because he had it spent before he got it.
recovery was great though.
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he dropped that ball because he had it spent before he got it.
recovery was great though.
Exactly. Once he adjusts even more to the pace of the game he'll be holding them and slotting them :thumbsup
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Subbing him out when he wasn't even close to our worst should really inspire him to re-sign.
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Subbing him out when he wasn't even close to our worst should really inspire him to re-sign.
Hunt?
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Who was worse Dioc?
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Who was worse Dioc?
One of Conca (injury management), Newman or Hunt should've been subbed out before him. Vickery if we wanted to change the structure - refused to chase & tackle all night. Nearly all of Lennon's 8 touches were of high quality and had an impact - I'll take <10 from him over >30 from B.Ellis every day of the week. The type of quality over quantity player that you want at the death in a close match.
...or do you think he was worst on ground and should've been subbed out?
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newmans the one.
conca was one of our most important players imo. lloyd had to come on as forward, so even though hunt should be on the shortlist, it would require some juggling to achieve it. as you say vickery if you want to change the structure, but i dont think they wanted to do that.
the sooner they stuff of the sub rule the better
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Agreed that he was unlucky but we didn't really have any passengers last night. The sub was always going to be stiff, whoever it was.
I've been impressed with Lennon since he's come into the side.
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The only thing that will stop him from being as good as Deledio is his lack of pace. The one advantage he should have over Deledio is that he won't be expected to be involved in every second play and carry the side every week for most of his career and we can afford to develop & play him to his strengths from early on.
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Hard to find any positives out of Friday night but Lennon showed he's a good contested mark for his size. Just needs to get a couple of preseasons under his belt and build up his tank.
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How good was Lennon today?........fantastic!
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How good was Lennon today?........fantastic!
I agree he's got the goods but I didn't see how "fantastic" he was today.
He's got skill, poise, he can take a good contested grab etc. but I think he's got the touch of softness about him that hopefully the club can rid from his game. He also needs to turn the heat up when he hasn't got the footy & chase, tackle and harass which IMHO he doesn't do enough.
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he can take a good contested grab
...but struggles with the uncontested ones.....
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I have to admit, I was never sold on this bloke, but im very happy with the signs and progress he's making in this current block of games. In the space of 4-5 games he has gone from a deer in headlights to a player that looks like he knows he can play at this level. Does some pretty important key things that make you think yep, he can play
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I have to admit, I was never sold on this bloke, but im very happy with the signs and progress he's making in this current block of games. In the space of 4-5 games he has gone from a deer in headlights to a player that looks like he knows he can play at this level. Does some pretty important key things that make you think yep, he can play
4 weeks ago i had real concerns about Ben. He's taken huge strides though and I'm really happy with what I'm seeing. He has a touch of class that so many of our players lack. Where he previously looked slow he now looks like has "time".
As other posters have noted his defensive game at this point is non existent, he lacks fitness and he lacks intensity at some contests but give him a couple pre seasons and I'm now somewhat confident we have the mid sized forward we've been lacking for years.
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It's much easier to instill fitness and intensity into a player than skill. You either have it or you don't
Ben has skill and poise. Our club's job is to instill the easy bits.
The guy is smooth as silk. He and Corey Ellis both give us the class we have sorely been lacking and will hopefully provide that for many years.
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I have to admit, I was never sold on this bloke, but im very happy with the signs and progress he's making in this current block of games. In the space of 4-5 games he has gone from a deer in headlights to a player that looks like he knows he can play at this level. Does some pretty important key things that make you think yep, he can play
which goes to show the danger in making assessments of players after only one or two games.
players need a string of games to adjust to the pace and gain confidence in themselves.
A long as they are showing some good signs and are not clearly way out of their depth and having their confidence shattered, give them a decent run at it see if they have got what it takes or not.
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Need to keep playing this kid at all costs.
And C Ellis when he's fit too.
Still early but I may have been wrong about Lennon. Looks a player!
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Lennon interview on Geelong's FM radio station K-Rock ...
AUDIO: http://www.krockfootball.com.au/round-20-sunday-august-16-richmond-vs-gold-coast-post-match-interview/
* Gold Coast game? I didn’t kick any goals but it was good to get a bit of the ball and play my role. I feel like each week I’m getting a little bit better and gaining some confidence. I’ve just got to keep on working hard and work with my coaches on the deficiencies in my game.
* What are still your deficiencies? Definitely the defensive side of the game. When you don’t have the ball you’ve got to be mindful of your opponent and that’s something I’ve had to work hard at, especially at VFL level. I’ve still got to get better but I’m trying to close that gap.
* Aims in 2015? I just wanted to try and break into the senior side. I knew it was a pretty hard team to crack into but I had to work on my defensive side and that was probably the biggest thing for me. Once I got that opportunity, try and play some good footy at the top and just gain some confidence because it’s obviously a tough game. I feel like my form at the moment’s been reasonable. But I’ve just got to keep working hard and hopefully finish off the end of the season pretty well. I still have a long way to go, and I’m just taking it week by week.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-08-19/lennon-getting-better-all-the-time
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how good does he kick
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Still unsigned for 2016 :(
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:banghead
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Will be a very good player for this club for many many years. Will take the role of Deledio in time!!
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Have to say, after seeing his highlights at u18 level I was very excited about this guy. We took him pick 12 in a very strong draft, I remember Emma Quale's comments in the lead up suggesting you could throw a blanket over the first 15 picks, they're all as talented as one another.
Was a little dissapointed when he didn't follow the path of a B. Ellis or Vlastuin and have an immediate impact and adjust easily to the level, but I'm really happy with what he's producing at the moment. Got all the traits of a very competent half-forward who rotates through the midfield. 250 games??
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Let's get him singed back up for the next few years then get excited!
If be disappointed if he leaves.
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Have to say, after seeing his highlights at u18 level I was very excited about this guy. We took him pick 12 in a very strong draft, I remember Emma Quale's comments in the lead up suggesting you could throw a blanket over the first 15 picks, they're all as talented as one another.
Was a little dissapointed when he didn't follow the path of a B. Ellis or Vlastuin and have an immediate impact and adjust easily to the level, but I'm really happy with what he's producing at the moment. Got all the traits of a very competent half-forward who rotates through the midfield. 250 games??
there was some whispers from his TAC team, his kicking is top (top) shelf
on what i seen so far i am inclined to agree
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Still unsigned for 2016 :(
Yes and that's because he and his manager put off talks weeks ago (when he was running around in the VFL)
Now a fortnight out from finals is not the time to be talking contracts with any player
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I'm sure we will slip out a little press release when we need be.
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im sure his manager will be stoked ben is playing 5 mins as the sub for we can continue to trott out dimmas mates grigg, newman :-X
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Great start to the game from Ben. Obviously a natural forward as he gets pretty hungry around goals..
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I thought he was terrific tonight. well done to the lad. really coming on now as a player. :clapping
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He's a classy mark. Improving with every game. I gave him a vote for his game tonight.
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One grab, nice kick
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Jet
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I would have liked to have seen him play at Full Forward - he was catching everything. In the wet, marking like that could be very handy IMHO.
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Will become a very important part of our forward line in years to come I believe.
Thought he played a good game tonight
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They better get him signed up soon ffs.
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Loved his game last night especially early. Fantastic!
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And this is the bloke who'll miss out if we get Stevie J.
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Loved his game last night especially early. Fantastic!
Clean one grab marking early on when it was really wet. What we needed. Clean posession. :thumbsup
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And this is the bloke who'll miss out if we get Stevie J.
doubt it
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And this is the bloke who'll miss out if we get Stevie J.
doubt it
Who then?
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newman
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Lennon is really showing his class. That wet weather football he showed last night the lad has talent. Dont ever drop him from the side
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newman
Forgot about him, can't blame me really can you? ;)
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Wants a longer term deal.
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Very impressed with this bloke - no wonder Chris Knights pulled the plug.
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Sign him up. Give the kid his three years.
Unless he is trade bait for GWS or Carlton.
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8. Ben Lennon has added polish to Richmond's forward line
After playing seven games in his debut season, Lennon managed just one game in the first 15 rounds of this year. He was thrown around different positions at VFL level and was made to work on his defensive traits before winning his spot back in the senior team. Lennon hasn't missed a game since round 16, when he kicked three goals against St Kilda, and he has shown there shouldn't be any doubt to what his best role is: as a marking, creative and smart half-forward. Since coming into Richmond's team he has added some real class in attack and in Saturday night's win over Essendon, Lennon was one of the Tigers' best performed. He took nine marks and had 16 disposals in wet and ugly conditions, and made things look pretty easy. He should be right in the frame to be this round's NAB AFL Rising Star nominee. - Callum Twomey
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-30/nine-things-we-learned-from-round-22
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Sign him up. Give the kid his three years.
Unless he is trade bait for GWS or Carlton.
Who from Carlton?
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Sign him up. Give the kid his three years.
Unless he is trade bait for GWS or Carlton.
Who from Carlton?
I'm guessing DF means Kreuzer but we won't have to trade for him if he wants to come to Richmond as he's a restricted free agent.
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Sign him up. Give the kid his three years.
Unless he is trade bait for GWS or Carlton.
Who from Carlton?
I'm guessing DF means Kreuzer but we won't have to trade for him if he wants to come to Richmond as he's a restricted free agent.
Yeah that's why I was asking who, not sure if he was referring to someone else
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Lennon has just been named the Rising Star nominee for this round :thumbsup.
Source: Talking Footy.
Well done Ben :clapping.
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Nice work Ben :clapping
Just saw him on Talking Footy too
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There were times I thought we stuffed up this pick - not any more.
Looks a future gun .
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He and Corey Ellis will put silk worms out of business in the coming years. :shh
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Ben Lennon is the Rising Star nominee for Round 22
Herald-Sun
September 1, 2015
BEN Lennon will never forget his introduction into the AFL – and Mark Williams.
Training with Richmond as part of his AFL academy internship in 2013, the straight-shooting Williams didn’t mince his words when assessing the Ivanhoe Grammar boy.
“Shave your beard off, you look like a d---head,” Williams said.
And, according to Lennon, Williams hasn’t lost any of his trademark directness.
“He’s pretty cheeky, Choco. He’ll always say what he thinks,” Lennon said.
But as blunt and demanding as Williams can be, Lennon can’t thank the development coach enough for his support over the past two years.
“He’s helped me with my contested side of the game as well as marking contests and second efforts. He’s always there on a Monday morning to go through vision,” Lennon said.
After Round 22 last season, Lennon was dropped from Richmond’s line-up following a quiet game against St Kilda.
Twelve months later, he’s the Round 22 Rising Star nominee, thanks to a polished yet workmanlike display against Essendon.
Lennon has proved over the past seven weeks he could be a valuable member of the club’s 2015 finals campaign.
“I’ve been thrown around a little bit in my two years at Richmond. But I was drafted as a half-forward, so it’s been nice to play some senior footy there and show off what I can do,” he said.
“If that means I get a spot in the finals, hopefully I can take it with both hands.”
Lennon, taken with pick 12 in the 2013 draft, lingered in the VFL during the first half of this season.
But some wise words from Brett Deledio in a leadership meeting was the motivation Lennon needed to win his spot back.
“Brett told me he thought I had all the skills in the world, but I’ve just got to work harder,” Lennons said.
“Since then I’ve tried really hard to run hard at training. I think that’s translated into games and I’m starting to see the benefits of that now.”
Lennon said the Tigers wouldn’t be taking North Melbourne lightly in their pre-finals clash on Friday.
“The Roos are a pretty quick side, especially at Etihad. We’ve got to be very mindful of what they’re capable of,” he said.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ben-lennon-is-the-rising-star-nominee-for-round-22/story-fndv8t7m-1227506718234
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Hawk Gunston the model for Tigers' Rising Star
AFL.com.au
September 1, 2015
TWELVE months must seem like a long time in football for developing Richmond young gun Ben Lennon.
A year ago, he was omitted for Dustin Martin after Richmond's round 22 win over St Kilda and didn't play in the Tigers' elimination final mauling at the hands of Port Adelaide.
But Lennon has worked hard on his game – modelled on Hawks star Jack Gunston – to be part of the Tigers' dangerous attack leading into this year's finals campaign and he's also been rewarded with the latest NAB AFL Rising Star nomination.
"It was a bit of a surprise when they told me, they told me in the team meeting so it was pretty good. (The boys) gave a bit to me, which was expected," Lennon told AFL.com.au.
"I haven't really thought about finals too much, I'm just trying to play my role and stay in the team as long as possible."
Lennon put his best foot forward when he gathered 16 touches and took nine marks in the wet against Essendon at the MCG on Saturday night, impressing with his polish in slippery conditions.
It was his seventh straight appearance in Damien Hardwick's side, with the 188cm half-forward lifting his work rate to strike a balance between defence and his natural attacking flair.
"Dimma's really big on his defensive actions," said Lennon, who was pick No.12 in the 2013 NAB AFL Draft.
"The biggest thing for me is just trying to make a contest around the ground and trying not to get beaten.
"I've watched Gunston's tape a few times, he's obviously a hard runner, but he's really smart with the way he leads.
"That's something I've tried to emulate in my game, but I've still got a long way to go."
Closer to home, Lennon's forged a strong connection with Brett Deledio – both players are managed by Anthony McConville – and the 20-year-old is clearly benefiting from the Tigers superstar's advice.
He's similarly strong overhead, averaging five marks along with 12 disposals, and after honing his craft in the VFL earlier this year has grabbed his chance to play in the same forward line as Deledio and Jack Riewoldt.
With many of the Tigers' stars in their prime, Lennon can see an exciting few years ahead at Punt Road and the out-of-contract youngster will start talks on a new deal after the season.
"I'm just trying to finish off the year and then I'll probably think about it," he said.
"But Tigerland's a great place and they've given me the opportunity, so it would be good to stay with them."
Ben Lennon's junior club: Macleod JFC
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-31/hawk-gunston-the-model-for-tigers-rising-star
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Well done Ben.
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Many people doubted Ben and at times I felt dimma did as well starting as a sub in and out of the team for the likes of Gordon or morris, Llyold. But he has stepped it up to another level has put on size and remember its really only his first real pre season this year his always going to be a late bloomer shows plenty and adds much need pace and strong marking in the forward line for a small... Well done benny :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
GO U TIGERS
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His marking in the wet this week was just awesome! Classy mover in the forward half too! Can't wait to see Lennon & C.Ellis featuring regularly in our 22. :birthday :thumbsup
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Wasn't everybody hanging poo on the kid until now?
Lmao u idiots
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Wasn't everybody hanging poo on the kid until now?
Lmao u idiots
Yeah but that's the Richmond way sweetie :snidegrin
Surely you know that? Thems the rules :cheers
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Wasn't everybody hanging poo on the kid until now?
Lmao u idiots
I didn't!
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Wasn't everybody hanging poo on the kid until now?
Lmao u idiots
When were you backing him?
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when he came good
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Wasn't everybody hanging poo on the kid until now?
Lmao u idiots
I did have my concerns in respect to his no show at senior level early in the year. The fact that he was overtaken by C. Ellis and then Skinny Menedue was a concern. I questioned his commitment and want to take the necessary action to demand a senior call.
After reading the interview above I think my concerns have been vindicated.
I'm glad he's proving he's a worthy 1st round selection.
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Wasn't everybody hanging poo on the kid until now?
Lmao u idiots
When were you backing him?
When did I say he was a dud?
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Most on here hung him last year and made calls about how he didn't have what it took.
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Wasn't everybody hanging poo on the kid until now?
Lmao u idiots
Yeah but that's the Richmond way sweetie :snidegrin
Surely you know that? Thems the rules :cheers
Touché and lmao
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You hang poo on so much to do with the club I just made the assumption a bit would naturally would stick to him.....
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Never unnecessarily
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Most on here hung him last year and made calls about how he didn't have what it took.
When he was a first year player ...
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I thought he wouldn't make it as he looked slow, disinterested.
Happy to put my hand up and eat my words. This guy is a gun. :gotigers
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Anyone know if his contracted? Been hearing a few things from my ethnic baggas relatives he could be part of a yarran swap
Hope not
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Anyone know if his contracted? Been hearing a few things from my ethnic baggas relatives he could be part of a yarran swap
Hope not
Out of contract at season end
He and his manager put of contract talks until after the season while he was running around in the VFL
TBBH & IMHO all contract talks should stop now until our season is done. Far more important things to deal with now
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His gone. Why would a kid put off talks. I would be filthy if this was a trade swap for Yazz that spud
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His gone. Why would a kid put off talks. I would be filthy if this was a trade swap for Yazz that spud
cause he is the sub at times or in the twos, to accommodate newman and grigg i assume
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Always a fan of Lennon, yes some idiots look stupid now.
Strange to hold off talks maybe he knew he'd get into the seniors and be able to command more $ after showing how important he is to the best 22. Who knows.
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His gone. Why would a kid put off talks. I would be filthy if this was a trade swap for Yazz that spud
:lol
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Most on here hung him last year and made calls about how he didn't have what it took.
When he was a first year player ...
Such a seminal stage >:(
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His gone. Why would a kid put off talks. I would be filthy if this was a trade swap for Yazz that spud
:lol
Have to agree al
Talk about an over reaction Angus :shh
Not the first wont be the last to put off talks during the season
Believe he wants to stay, reckon he will
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were r Richmond with Ben , not much happening here I hope he stays but I have this funny feeling he could be on the trade block far better then a Gordon or llyold but he is worth more then them reason may trade... :banghead :banghead
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Unless the trade is part of the Treloar deal then forget it, he MUST stay at the club!!!
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Unless he wants to go, forget it.
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Barrett tonight claiming Lennon's situation (he's out of contract) has been pushed back and he may not get as much money as he thought. So, one to watch.
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Who gets the feeling that Barret just reads OER and Big Footy? :whistle
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We cannot lose this kid!!!!
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Do think he will be at RFC in 2016
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Good!
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Do think he will be at RFC in 2016
can you elaborate? Gut feel or inside info?
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fact, end of story clowns
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He's going to join his best mate Josh Caddy at North Melbourne.
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Do think he will be at RFC in 2016
can you elaborate? Gut feel or inside info?
Common knowledge he is in dispute
Doesn't want to leave but they are a fair distance apart
Tiges have to control salary cap to try and land bigger fish
No over pay young players who have been at club for 2 years who want big bucks
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Do think he will be at RFC in 2016
can you elaborate? Gut feel or inside info?
Common knowledge he is in dispute
Doesn't want to leave but they are a fair distance apart
Tiges have to control salary cap to try and land bigger fish
No over pay young players who have been at club for 2 years who want big bucks
Who??
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Do think he will be at RFC in 2016
can you elaborate? Gut feel or inside info?
Common knowledge he is in dispute
Doesn't want to leave but they are a fair distance apart
Tiges have to control salary cap to try and land bigger fish
No over pay young players who have been at club for 2 years who want big bucks
Who??
yarran, who else. :birthday :birthday :birthday
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Lennon has too much me me me about him. Sign up or pee off son.
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Lennon has too much me me me about him. Sign up or pee off son.
How true
He has gone from Dimmas " pin up boy " last year, too slightly out of favour
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When was he ever "Dimma's pin-up boy"? Seriously...stop making shyte up as you go....
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Do think he will be at RFC in 2016
can you elaborate? Gut feel or inside info?
Common knowledge he is in dispute
Doesn't want to leave but they are a fair distance apart
Tiges have to control salary cap to try and land bigger fish
No over pay young players who have been at club for 2 years who want big bucks
Agree with Jack here. Kid doesn't want to leave which is the thing on our side at the moment
this is one of the problems with wanting to go hard during trade and offering others big $$$$
Sometimes it means you may lose one of you own kids that you've spent a fair amount of time in developing in the process
As Ma Powell always said, can't have it both ways ;D
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ive seen a few videos that suggest otherwise
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When was he ever "Dimma's pin-up boy"? Seriously...stop making shyte up as you go....
Actually Dimma said many times at Coterie functions that he was extremely keen to play him last year
He probably played a few gifted games
Straight out of Dimmas mouth
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ive seen a few videos that suggest otherwise
Good lord :gobdrop
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dont worry dooks you cant see your face
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dont worry dooks you cant see your face
Thank eff. I trust the stuffed toys are off camera, no?
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Do think he will be at RFC in 2016
can you elaborate? Gut feel or inside info?
Common knowledge he is in dispute
Doesn't want to leave but they are a fair distance apart
Tiges have to control salary cap to try and land bigger fish
No over pay young players who have been at club for 2 years who want big bucks
Agree with Jack here. Kid doesn't want to leave which is the thing on our side at the moment
this is one of the problems with wanting to go hard during trade and offering others big $$$$
Sometimes it means you may lose one of you own kids that you've spent a fair amount of time in developing in the process
As Ma Powell always said, can't have it both ways ;D
I think said player has a lot of potential and showed some really good signs but should understand that if they want success then the club needs to put dollars into landing the missing pieces from the team.
The other side of the argument is I can empathise with young Ben 's sentiments as there a few players in his team that are way overpaid for their output.
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If we trade Lennon for Yarran and a 3rd round pick I'll bomb the club.
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Do think he will be at RFC in 2016
can you elaborate? Gut feel or inside info?
Common knowledge he is in dispute
Doesn't want to leave but they are a fair distance apart
Tiges have to control salary cap to try and land bigger fish
No over pay young players who have been at club for 2 years who want big bucks
Agree with Jack here. Kid doesn't want to leave which is the thing on our side at the moment
this is one of the problems with wanting to go hard during trade and offering others big $$$$
Sometimes it means you may lose one of you own kids that you've spent a fair amount of time in developing in the process
As Ma Powell always said, can't have it both ways ;D
This is what happens with trades one comes in and one goes out.
I'm neither here or there with Lennon, yep takes a nice grab, kicks straight but NO TANK whatsoever.
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Do think he will be at RFC in 2016
can you elaborate? Gut feel or inside info?
Common knowledge he is in dispute
Doesn't want to leave but they are a fair distance apart
Tiges have to control salary cap to try and land bigger fish
No over pay young players who have been at club for 2 years who want big bucks
Agree with Jack here. Kid doesn't want to leave which is the thing on our side at the moment
this is one of the problems with wanting to go hard during trade and offering others big $$$$
Sometimes it means you may lose one of you own kids that you've spent a fair amount of time in developing in the process
As Ma Powell always said, can't have it both ways ;D
This is what happens with trades one comes in and one goes out.
I'm neither here or there with Lennon, yep takes a nice grab, kicks straight but NO TANK whatsoever.
He's bloody young mate in his second season, of course he doesn't have a tank yet.....massive upside this kid....
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He's like 19, mate
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I'm expecting big things from Lennon in 2016.
After the retirement of Newman he has a spot that's all his if he's willing to take the opportunity and cement himself in the senior team.
he looks as though he's got talent but I hope the leadership group haven't pansied him up otherwise the club can send him to the scum with a pink ribbon tied in a bow.
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Automatic replacement for Newman!
Get him signed asap!!
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Automatic replacement for Newman!
Get him signed asap!!
Agree
Loui Loui,
Whoa oooh
I don't want Lennon to go
Nah nah nah etc
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Do think he will be at RFC in 2016
can you elaborate? Gut feel or inside info?
Common knowledge he is in dispute
Doesn't want to leave but they are a fair distance apart
Tiges have to control salary cap to try and land bigger fish
No over pay young players who have been at club for 2 years who want big bucks
Agree with Jack here. Kid doesn't want to leave which is the thing on our side at the moment
this is one of the problems with wanting to go hard during trade and offering others big $$$$
Sometimes it means you may lose one of you own kids that you've spent a fair amount of time in developing in the process
As Ma Powell always said, can't have it both ways ;D
Going hard at others? Give me a break. We have a war chest apparently and they aren't securing any top end talent which begs the question wtf are they waiting for
This kid can bloody pay yet our stupid coach wants to focus on Yarran. Please
We have had 4 retire so money is there. No excuses if this kid leaves
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The 4 that retired were not on big bucks
Knights and Pettard on " chicken feed "
Newy contract wasn't great
Axel highly performance based
Don't forget we signed up Rance during the year ( probable increase would have been one of these retireees total payment if not 2 )
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The 4 that retired were not on big bucks
Knights and Pettard on " chicken feed "
Newy contract wasn't great
Axel highly performance based
Don't forget we signed up Rance during the year ( probable increase would have been one of these retireees total payment if not 2 )
Out of those, Knights was on decent coin. To pick someone up as a free agent a minimum of $350k would be required to entice them to come over as a general rule.
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Decent coin ?
With conditions
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Decent coin ?
With conditions
I don't think that they imagined he'd be so injury prone when they got him so I'd imagine those "conditions" would not have been too stringent IMHO.
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Newy was on the vets list also, so that doesn't really free up much coin
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imagination - its one of the things that separates us from the lower aniamls, id imagine
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imagination - its one of the things that separates us from the lower aniamls, id imagine
How profound!
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imagination - its one of the things that separates us from the lower aniamls, id imagine
lower animals ? like North players and umpires?
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What's he want $300 per year for 3 years? I would be ok with that if there was a performance clause
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The 4 that retired were not on big bucks
Knights and Pettard on " chicken feed "
Newy contract wasn't great
Axel highly performance based
Don't forget we signed up Rance during the year ( probable increase would have been one of these retireees total payment if not 2 )
Hampson average coin too?
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Isn't the average afl wage abt 300k? And I thought performance based contracts were largely outlawed in the afl about 15 years ago, may be a small performance based element in them
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The afl outlawed performance based contracts ?
Lmao.
That would be right.
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ARE THEY JOKING?
A TALENTED HIGH MARKING FORWARD DOES NOT COME EASY!
GOING TO PLAY OVER 200 GAMES! AND KICK MANY, MANY GOALS!
GIVR UP GORDON, LLOYD, ASTBURY, GRIFFITHS!
NOT LENNON!
NEVER EVER GIVE AWAY 1st ROUND DRAFTED PLAYERS AFTER LESS THAN 20 MATCHES!
DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!
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If he wants out and we can get adequate compensation, then they should trade him
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doesnt matter if he wants out or not DO NOT TRADE LENNON, under any circumstances
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I'M ON THIS WAGON, CAPS LOCK AND TWO SMOKING BARRELS. :lol
WE SHOULD NOT TRADE LENNON, TRADE CONCA, ELLIS, DEA, GRIFF AND ASTBURY BUT LENNON MUST STAY.
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doesnt matter if he wants out or not DO NOT TRADE LENNON, under any circumstances
So for arguments sakes, if he says I want 450k or Im walking we pay it?
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Trade Conca instead...
doesnt matter if he wants out or not DO NOT TRADE LENNON, under any circumstances
So for arguments sakes, if he says I want 450k or Im walking we pay it?
Hmmm....salary cap likely increasing in 2017....more talented than the majority of the list...contracts can be back ended...
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doesnt matter if he wants out or not DO NOT TRADE LENNON, under any circumstances
So for arguments sakes, if he says I want 450k or Im walking we pay it?
just pay him whatever he wants, its the only sane way to go about list management.
what part of DONT TRADE LENNON dont you understand?
even if he wants out and wants to go to carlton
DO NOT TRADE LENNON.
even with the threat of the PSD and getting nothing for him, to trade him would be
DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!
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where has it actually been substantiated that he wants out??
apart from the scoop guy from 3AW who likely just gets his info from forums?
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where has it actually been substantiated that he wants out??
apart from the scoop guy from 3AW who likely just gets his info from forums?
Yep, it was on Facebook yesterday, a mate of a mate that knows him said Essendon and Carlton have waved the checkbook at him, we won't give him what he wants so he wants out.
Seems legit :thumbsup
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where has it actually been substantiated that he wants out??
apart from the scoop guy from 3AW who likely just gets his info from forums?
Yep, it was on Facebook yesterday, a mate of a mate that knows him said Essendon and Carlton have waved the checkbook at him, we won't give him what he wants so he wants out.
Seems legit
not according to our very own William Barrett Powell.
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where has it actually been substantiated that he wants out??
apart from the scoop guy from 3AW who likely just gets his info from forums?
Yep, it was on Facebook yesterday, a mate of a mate that knows him said Essendon and Carlton have waved the checkbook at him, we won't give him what he wants so he wants out.
Seems legit
not according to our very own William Barrett Powell.
Am I not entitled to an opinion, a view Angus?
I have been away for the past week. Enjoying a well earned family holiday.
I'm not on Facebook so I have no idea what's been posted on there and I don't really care
Going by what I got told prior to my holiday he didnt want to leave. However, if it's changed it's changed
Not fussed either way to be honest. Far more important things in life at the moment.
But if you feel the need to pot me go ahead that's fine too.
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If a player wants to go, belligerence isn't the best way to handle the situation. I don't think anyone here on OER wants to see him leave, I know I don't, but I also would hate to stand in the way of someones best interests.
If he publicly states he wants to leave (which I doubt he will) then we should trade him. If we get in Bennell, Yarran and Treloar for Lennon and some picks I'd say that's a decent effort.
Remember, if a good trade gets done, neither party feel they got the better of it!
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Lennon for Yarran is not a fair deal in my opinion..they win from this
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How can we petition the club??
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unfortunately petitions probably don't work at Punt road...fowl excrement seems more appropriate..lol :lol
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According to Damian Barrett, this trade rumour isn't true.
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these journos really have no idea...unless of course clubs now know how to make the journos dance to their tune
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unfortunately petitions probably don't work at Punt road...fowl excrement seems more appropriate..lol :lol
:lol :lol
I have just emailed them anyway for what its worth.. ;D
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WAT well done...don't hold your breath for a reply..lol
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WAT well done...don't hold your breath for a reply..lol
No I won't but at least I fell like I have done my little bit to keep Lennon. :thumbsup
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doesnt matter if he wants out or not DO NOT TRADE LENNON, under any circumstances
So for arguments sakes, if he says I want 450k or Im walking we pay it?
Played 16 games in 2 seasons
9 this year
Avg disposal 10.5
He is demanding more money, let him go
Needs to earn respect
Seriously guys like Castasna , Ellis , Drummond ,will be past him by Round 6 next year
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Seriously guys like Castasna , Ellis , Drummond ,will be past him by Round 6 next year
Absolute rubbish..... Ellis is an outside chance and maybe will in the long run, Drummond is nothing special and Castagna has the just about worst disposal on the list.
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If we were offered a straight swap Bennell for Lennon, I would absolutely take that. Very unlikely hypothetical, but he has a price, no question. Like I said, dont want to see him leave but if he wants to go we make the best of it.
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Seriously guys like Castasna , Ellis , Drummond ,will be past him by Round 6 next year
Absolute rubbish..... Ellis is an outside chance and maybe will in the long run, Drummond is nothing special and Castagna has the just about worst disposal on the list.
You must not watch much of the VFL then
Castagna will be a gun
Drummond nothing special
Seen him take Courtney Dempsey to the cleaners in a pre season practice match
Ellis best under age footballer going around 2 years ago
Hindered by injury , gets himself right , will be a star
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I've watched enough VFL....Drummond outplayed some Essendon dud once...wacko....he'll be a good ordinary footballer at best....pace is his only real weapon.....Castagna has good pace & evasive skills but couldn't hit the side of the barn and his decision making is abysmal....to suggest either these blokes are going to surpass Lennon at any stage of their careers let alone by round six next year is laughable.
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Remember when this forum went into meltdown after we traded Andy Collins
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Anyone would think that Lennon is a superstar
Even Lennon thinks he is
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Remember when this forum went into meltdown after we traded Andy Collins
Yes and this guy can actually play its just that we have a a pathetic coach who couldnt see talent if his life depended on it.
Conca for Yarran is a very good trade, one which i hope they explore.
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Anyone would think that Lennon is a superstar
Even Lennon thinks he is
He is no superstar. He maybe one day, but a lot of water has to go under the bridge before we get to that point.
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unfortunately petitions probably don't work at Punt road...fowl excrement seems more appropriate..lol :lol
:lol :lol
I have just emailed them anyway for what its worth.. ;D
lve always wondered, what does it feel like to be a herald sun 50/50 bogan? The type that turned up at punt rd to get Cousins.
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unfortunately petitions probably don't work at Punt road...fowl excrement seems more appropriate..lol :lol
:lol :lol
I have just emailed them anyway for what its worth.. ;D
lve always wondered, what does it feel like to be a herald sun 50/50 bogan? The type that turned up at punt rd to get Cousins.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
classic. my brother was there that day as a blues fan and was cheering that cousins for christmas chant
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unfortunately petitions probably don't work at Punt road...fowl excrement seems more appropriate..lol :lol
:lol :lol
I have just emailed them anyway for what its worth.. ;D
lve always wondered, what does it feel like to be a herald sun 50/50 bogan? The type that turned up at punt rd to get Cousins.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
classic. my brother was there that day as a blues fan and was cheering that cousins for christmas chant
Iirc that's the brother a few prawns short of a platter, no?
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Absolute rubbish..... Ellis is an outside chance and maybe will in the long run, Drummond is nothing special and Castagna has the just about worst disposal on the list. in the league
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Send an email to Ben, I'm sure he will reply.
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unfortunately petitions probably don't work at Punt road...fowl excrement seems more appropriate..lol :lol
:lol :lol
I have just emailed them anyway for what its worth.. ;D
lve always wondered, what does it feel like to be a herald sun 50/50 bogan? The type that turned up at punt rd to get Cousins.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
classic. my brother was there that day as a blues fan and was cheering that cousins for christmas chant
Iirc that's the brother a few prawns short of a platter, no?
:lol yep carlton supporter although to his credit likes to see the tigers do well but when they dont is the first to bring up grigg.
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Absolute rubbish..... Ellis is an outside chance and maybe will in the long run, Drummond is nothing special and Castagna has the just about worst disposal on the list. in the league
Not to worry apparently he'll be handballing like Greg Williams and they'll be coming off his boot like tracer bullets by round 6 next year... :shh
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Absolute rubbish..... Ellis is an outside chance and maybe will in the long run, Drummond is nothing special and Castagna has the just about worst disposal on the list. in the league
Not to worry apparently he'll be handballing like Greg Williams and they'll be coming off his boot like tracer bullets by round 6 next year... :shh
No need to tell me, Big Note told me about 2 years ago
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THIS THREAD STARTED OFF IN FINE FASHION WITH THE CAPS.
UNFORTUNATELY IT THEN FELL OFF, SOME POSTERS ON HERE NEED A GOOD LONG HARD LOOK AT THEMSELVES.
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AGREE AND I WAS ALL REVVED UP TO KEEP IT GOING!!!
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Let's trade Lennon
9 games this year
3 as sub
Lost his way mid season
Is Tradable
Only claim to fame got Rising Star nom against Essendoom
Trade
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Lets not trade Lennon
He should have played more except Damien decided to keep in his favourites when they were not up to it.
Again, Damien played his favourites. Impacted on every game when he came on.
How did he lose his way when he wasn't played or he was the sub? Sublime kicking when he came on showed up many, including the ever popular Batch.
NO
Rising Star nom, what does that tell you!!!!!
NO
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Yep, that's a large enough sample size ::)
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I am always loathe to trade players so young and only been around for a short time,as there is potentially a huge upside.
Although in Lennons case there are these constant bits of rumour and innuendo that keep emerging about his attitude.I for one don't know if there is any truth in these other than they keep coming to the for
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Yep, that's a large enough sample size ::)
Nice alias.. :whistle
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AGREE AND I WAS ALL REVVED UP TO KEEP IT GOING!!!
:bow
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i WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM TRADING HIM
vERY OVERRATED IN MY OPINION, GET SOMEONE BETTER
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HE IS 19, HE MIGHT GET BETTER
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BADLY NEED SOME FORWARD OPTIONS!#%*@#!@
LIKED WHAT HE STARTED TO PUT ON THE TABLE!!!!!!!
WOULD PREFER WE HUNG ONTO*&%^%$^$%!!!!!&
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do what needs to be done. if lennon is going to leave the least we can do is get something from him. can always walk and have the blues snare him with 1st pick in the pre season draft
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I DONT CARE ANYMORE AS I AM JUST HAVING TOO MUCH FUN WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON. I CANT USE CAP LOCKS IN WORK EMAILS SO THIS IS A GEAT RELEASE... ;D
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IF YOU DO CAPSLOCKS, RED AND UNDERLINE
THEY WILL CALL HR
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IF YOU DO CAPSLOCKS, RED AND UNDERLINE
THEY WILL CALL HR
WELL THEY WILL CALL ME.. :shh
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:lol
stuff me, that is scary
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No one will trade for him if he's as poo as you say. :shh
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Anyone is tradeble I'd u improve..
I wouldn't be trading Lennon.. We don't know how good he'll be. At worst he'll be as good as Yarran. Everything suggests better. Not your mention younger.
Lennon and pick 11 for pick 2 and Yarran and I'll be OK with wishing Ben well.
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Anyone is tradeble I'd u improve..
I wouldn't be trading Lennon.. We don't know how good he'll be. At worst he'll be as good as Yarran. Everything suggests better. Not your mention younger.
Lennon and pick 11 for pick 2 and Yarran and I'll be OK with wishing Ben well.
You are dreaming if you think that will happen
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Dumbest thread I have ever seen anywhere.
OP needs to be evaluated lol
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lmao
If there was a trade involving lennon, and he instigated it Carlton have us by the balls. we wont be screwing them over with such trades.
Even morso, IF he is wanting out coz hes got the sooks over opportunities. He' probably not that interested in how we fare out of the deal
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:lol
stuff me, that is scary
I know, they tell me that too.. :snidegrin
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When was the last time a 9 gamer made such an impact?
Dragacevic?
And that's why this is the worst thread of the year
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(http://r31.imgfast.net/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/2156412274.gif)
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Then everyone is happy.
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"Mr. Magic" from Big Footy hack your account?
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Yep the Trent Croad deal mark 2.
Do it Tiges. :clapping
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Get it done RFC :thumbsup
Make us, all like, stuffing whoa !! :cheers
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Carlton actualy have us by the balls on this one, if Lennon seriously wants out and wants to go to Carlton then they can just walk him straight through to the PSD.
It may be a case of Yale what we can get :(
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Carlton actualy have us by the balls on this one, if Lennon seriously wants out and wants to go to Carlton then they can just walk him straight through to the PSD.
It may be a case of Yale what we can get :(
Only the merkin would do that! Player managers won't do it for fear of being black banned by a club
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Carlton actualy have us by the balls on this one, if Lennon seriously wants out and wants to go to Carlton then they can just walk him straight through to the PSD.
It may be a case of Yale what we can get :(
Only the merkin would do that! Player managers won't do it for fear of being black banned by a club
Watch it happen, they'll force the Lennon Yarran swap wich see's us getting shafted anyway.
Lennon Yarran swap and swap of second round draft picks would be ok but Ivan see the threat of walking him into the PSD coming a mile away!!
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Carlton actualy have us by the balls on this one, if Lennon seriously wants out and wants to go to Carlton then they can just walk him straight through to the PSD.
It may be a case of Yale what we can get :(
Only the merkin would do that! Player managers won't do it for fear of being black banned by a club
player managers can't be black banned by a club
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Got an email back from the club about not trading Lennon.. ;D :snidegrin
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Got an email back from the club about not trading Lennon.. ;D :snidegrin
Anything interesting?
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Got an email back from the club about not trading Lennon.. ;D :snidegrin
Anything interesting?
Pretty standard stuff actually.
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"stuff off and stop bothering us with your crap? ??
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No, they thanked me and informed me that they have a process to follow.. :thumbsup
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same thing ;)
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WAT well done..if nothing else they read your concerns,that is a positive.
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yep well done. The last bloke to email me back was greg miller regarding my thoughts on will thursfield
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Angus
now you have me absolutely intrigued...what were your thoughts on Will?(its ancient history now so you can share your thoughts in peace)
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Rang the club once and told the receptionist not to get Fevola.....she said "thanks you're only about the hundredth person to ring today and say that"...only time I've ever done anything like that, though in my defence - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIXVZUcQX9E
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Angus
now you have me absolutely intrigued...what were your thoughts on Will?(its ancient history now so you can share your thoughts in peace)
apologies just checked my emails it wasnt about Thursfield, rather about our pathetic performance against geelong at etihad the weekend prior in that smashing.
to his credit he replied, albeit with more garbage so us supporters just kept on giving to the good cause
he referred me on to the clubs website and pointed this out
Stable strategic Board
Strong admin
Very good match committee and coaching panel who won't accept failure
Talent ,yes plenty of it...come to Coburg one day or come to training
and I will point it out
Loyalty it is a life long commodity...life is built around it
Trust you will all hang in there
Regards Greg
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WAT well done..if nothing else they read your concerns,that is a positive.
:thumbsup, get onto it!!
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Why would you not want fev?
Kicks too many goals?
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Like he did at Brisbane? How did that turn out?
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Averaged 3 goals a game
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....and led them to glory for many years...oh wait....
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Q. Are the Tigers really thinking of trading Ben Lennon and a pick for Yarran. Lennon showed a bit this year.
Jay Clark: Think the TIgers will fight hard to keep Lennon out of the Yarran deal. He is a classy player, Lennon.
Q. Richmond will surely resign lennon soon and not involve him in any trades??
Jay Clark: That's the Tigers' preference
http://www.themercury.com.au/brisbane-lions-set-to-recruit-geelongs-jarrad-jansen-eye-other-trade-targets/story-fnj3twbb-1227537514814
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Get it done Tiges. Sign him up and get him off the radar of clubs.
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Lennon has changed his twitter photo from a pic of him onfield as a Tiger to one of him in at a pub/bar with McBean and McDonough.
https://twitter.com/lennonben
Carlton fans are viewing this as confirmation that Lennon is leaving Richmond.
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Lennon has to be signed.
In my mind he is worth what I know most people would consider overs. I am guessing that most would be thinking he is in the 300-350 bracket. imv if he is asking $450,000 then pay it. Freeman walking is scary. I consider the extra $100k as an additional insurance payment to protect that first round pick, we will not be anywhere near a top 10 pick in the next couple of years, so this has to be done. In a way Lennon is just the lucky recipient of the trickle down effect of FA and it's compo system, but good luck to him!
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Yeah, this Lennon saga has FAILURE RFC written all over it IMO. If we lose him, we could be sitting here in 10 year going WTF happened and Hardwick and the crew would be long gone by then. Very hard this one.
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I will spew if we trade lennon for yarren. bull dust
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What if he won't sign , he delayed signing all year , why ::)
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lol hes not the messiah. losing him wont be the difference between success and failure.
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The media are just speculating. Jon Ralph admitted the Club wouldn't want to lose Lennon and there's a long way to go and anything still could happen by the time the trade period arrives. Does Lennon feel the Club doesn't have confidence in him as a first round draft pick after dropping him for the final and he wants to go to another club that will show that confidence? Does he want $300k when the Club is offering $180k-200k? Is Carlton wanting Lennon in exchange for Yarran?
KB, by the way, said no way would you trade Lennon for Yarran. He's not a fan of Yarran.
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Is Lennon Geez? No. But he is the only person who has the potential to fill in for Lids in that dynamic half forward, rotate through the middle type of role. Our team lacks firepower going forward and I feel personally we require way too many possessions in a scoring chain just to put points on the board.
Losing Lennon will make the forward line less flexible and we'd be left with praying Gordon or Sam Lloyd miraculously transform into Gary Ablett Sr in the pre-season which is never going to happen.
I feel our back 6 is up to scratch, our midfield is lacking a few elite players but still works quite well. Our forward line is where we are weakest (and the ruck of course but we can debate that in another thread).
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I feel our back 6 is up to scratch
big call old bean
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I feel our back 6 is up to scratch
big call old bean
If you want stats to back it up - Richmond conceded less goals than any other club this year.
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stats =
did not make top 4
lose first final
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stats =
did not make top 4
lose first final
Don't think not making the top 4 and losing the final was solely because of the back six
It was a "team" effort.
The list as to why we lost the final is a mile long and starts at the top with the leaders, not the back 6
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stats =
did not make top 4
lose first final
I blame the Coach ( for his idiotic selection of Conca and Griffiths ) The Captain , the vice Captain and the entire midfield ( except Miles) for losing that final.
The backline could only hang on for so long before the dam wall burst.
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I would trade Griffiths before Lennon.
49 games in 6 years . Injury prone.
Has a reputation of being a really beautiful kick - but misses some really easy shots from 30 -35 out that become momentum killers. ( Melbourne game , Freo game in Perth - could of kicked the sealer , Freo game at MCG , Elimination final - off the top of my head) 12.15 this year.
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I would trade Griffiths before Lennon.
49 games in 6 years . Injury prone.
Has a reputation of being a really beautiful kick - but misses some really easy shots from 30 -35 out that become momentum killers. ( Melbourne game , Freo game in Perth - could of kicked the sealer , Freo game at MCG , Elimination final - off the top of my head) 12.15 this year.
Terrific post
Right on the money
Glad someone watched the game :thumbsup
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Latest rumour is Lennon doesn't want to go to Carlton.
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that's disappointing.
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why would anyone want to go to carlton?
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I would trade Griffiths before Lennon.
49 games in 6 years . Injury prone.
Has a reputation of being a really beautiful kick - but misses some really easy shots from 30 -35 out that become momentum killers. ( Melbourne game , Freo game in Perth - could of kicked the sealer , Freo game at MCG , Elimination final - off the top of my head) 12.15 this year.
Terrific post
Right on the money
Glad someone watched the game :thumbsup
Crowd of 90,000 and you think only you and mat watched the game?
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Yarran Is a stuff up.
Get it straight.
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Betts was a stuff up before he left , starred next season
Garlett was a stuff up before he left , starred next season
Waite was a stuff up before he left , starred next season
Henderson was a stuff up before he left ............
Yarran was a stuff up before he left .................
There's a clear pattern here, most get it ::)
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stuffing woah check out bostradamus (http://r31.imgfast.net/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/1801413164.gif) :bow :clapping :shh
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Well, well, well
From Twitter
@superfooty: Richmond won't put Ben Lennon on trade table for Chris Yarran, writes @RalphyHeraldSun
MORE: http://t.co/XwT86EwGNj http://t.co/9adyyz0ObO
Or read on
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AFL trades: Richmond not prepared to offer Ben Lennon up for trade with Carlton for Chris Yarran
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
Richmond says it has not offered up second-year forward Ben Lennon as part of its impending Chris Yarran deal and expects to re-sign him soon.
Lennon was dropped by Richmond for the elimination final with reports linking him to Carlton as a swap for talented but erratic defender Yarran.
If he was to depart it would continue this year’s trend of players wanting out of their clubs just two seasons into their initial contract.
But while his management is pursuing a better deal from the Tigers, they believe he will soon sign a new deal to stay.
The No.12 pick from the 2013 national draft played eight highly encouraging games this year after easing into his first year at Richmond.
It is understood the Tigers are closing in on his signature despite demands for a bigger contract for the 20-year-old.
A club spokesman said Lennon was a required player at Richmond who had a long-term future at the club.
“We expect to finalise the contract sooner rather than later,’’ he said.
Yarran posted a message on Instagram confirming his departure, a day after new coach Brendon Bolton said he would not plead with him to stay.
“With Chris he’s a contracted player and an A-Grade player when he is up and about. But if he doesn’t want to play we will have a discussion about what the return is.
“I think I’m in the wrong area if I am trying to convince people to stay.”
The Tigers only want to hand Carlton their second-round pick for Yarran, with the Blues likely to ask for more.
Richmond is also considering its options with Harley Bennell, but is yet to get in front of him to discuss whether he can turn around a chequered career.
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Just posted on the other Lennon thread
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=22920.msg517075#msg517075
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Great news. Future premiership player :shh :shh :shh
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Betts was a stuff up before he left , starred next season
Garlett was a stuff up before he left , starred next season
Waite was a stuff up before he left , starred next season
Henderson was a stuff up before he left ............
Yarran was a stuff up before he left .................
There's a clear pattern here, most get it ::)
This just goes to show you dont watch games of footy.
Betts Waite, Garlett, and Henderson all had multiple good seasons in their roles before they left carlton.
Betts previous 4 season before his last yr at carlton he averaged 45 goals a season Mate for a sml fwd that is some track record.
Waite as much as i hate the prick had good seasons . Injuries and ill discipline his biggest problem. the bloke averaged very close to 2 goals a game for his last three seasons at carlton.
Garlett sheesh his preceding 4 yrs at carlton netted 39, 48, 29 and 43 goals a season and he laid his share of tackles.
Henderson played as a swing man at Carlton. When played at chb was one of the best defenders in the comp and had a track record of high performances until the last few seasons wher injury and just wanting to get out happened.
You know there is more than one pattern here. One you can see the other you are oblivious too.
What is going on with Yarran reminds me a bit of the Hampson fiasco. Yarran has 7 yr history to judge him by. I suggest you look at that history.Then ask what role do we want him for and what are we prepared to pay. Tick the boxes as you go SML fwd kicks goals, chases, tackles etc.
Based on his 7 yr history at afl level and based on the WAY he has played at the level im loath to even offer up a second round pick for him.
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We really shouldn't give Carlton much more for Yarran than what Adelaide gave us for Tambling.
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I was concerned before today that the Club had made no comment about Lennon after a week or so of speculation in the media. No guarantees of course when it comes to the trade period but it's good to hear the Club finally make a firm and clear statement wanting Lennon to remain a Tiger.
We really shouldn't give Carlton much more for Yarran than what Adelaide gave us for Tambling.
Are Carlton that dumb though? The Crows were the gift that kept on giving taking Tambling and Angus Graham off our hands for draft picks :yep. From the Tambling trade we still have McIntosh and Elton on our list.
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yeah, but for who?
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yeah, but for who?
The Stockholm Beavers?
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stats =
did not make top 4
lose first final
I blame the Coach ( for his idiotic selection of Conca and Griffiths ) The Captain , the vice Captain and the entire midfield ( except Miles) for losing that final.
The backline could only hang on for so long before the dam wall burst.
stats =
did not make top 4
lose first final
Don't think not making the top 4 and losing the final was solely because of the back six
It was a "team" effort.
The list as to why we lost the final is a mile long and starts at the top with the leaders, not the back 6
yep
it is true in terms of point conceded in the season overall stats = good
it is true RFC failed to make top four / win a final
personally i dont think our defense is quite up to Juventus levels
personally id be sending Deledio back there
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3rd least points against in the league.
9th points for.
yet you think the backline is our problem?
your solution is to send out third most goal kicker down back?
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Ben Lennon & sister Grace talk about teaming up to play sport since they were kids...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-09-25/ben-grace-teamup
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Betts was a stuff up before he left , starred next season
Garlett was a stuff up before he left , starred next season
Waite was a stuff up before he left , starred next season
Henderson was a stuff up before he left ............
Yarran was a stuff up before he left .................
There's a clear pattern here, most get it ::)
This just goes to show you dont watch games of footy.
Betts Waite, Garlett, and Henderson all had multiple good seasons in their roles before they left carlton.
Betts previous 4 season before his last yr at carlton he averaged 45 goals a season Mate for a sml fwd that is some track record.
Waite as much as i hate the prick had good seasons . Injuries and ill discipline his biggest problem. the bloke averaged very close to 2 goals a game for his last three seasons at carlton.
Garlett sheesh his preceding 4 yrs at carlton netted 39, 48, 29 and 43 goals a season and he laid his share of tackles.
Henderson played as a swing man at Carlton. When played at chb was one of the best defenders in the comp and had a track record of high performances until the last few seasons wher injury and just wanting to get out happened.
You know there is more than one pattern here. One you can see the other you are oblivious too.
What is going on with Yarran reminds me a bit of the Hampson fiasco. Yarran has 7 yr history to judge him by. I suggest you look at that history.Then ask what role do we want him for and what are we prepared to pay. Tick the boxes as you go SML fwd kicks goals, chases, tackles etc.
Based on his 7 yr history at afl level and based on the WAY he has played at the level im loath to even offer up a second round pick for him.
I said BEFoRE they left, so don't manipulate my comments to suit your own lame argument. The facts are in the season before leaving Carlton , they were ALL poo, next year starred , FACT :wallywink
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3rd least points against in the league.
9th points for.
yet you think the backline is our problem?
your solution is to send out third most goal kicker down back?
I think there a number of problems
I would play lids there as I don't think we are good enough, to have the luxury of having lids anywhere bar the quarterback. Where he can intercept mark rebound, dictate the game
Ideally he'd be chf or ff
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Signing will be announced this week.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/35-ben-lennon.1098083/page-65#post-41176001
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Signing will be announced this week.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/35-ben-lennon.1098083/page-65#post-41176001
Excellent news. Bigfooty usually has the goods when it comes to signings. :thumbsup
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3rd least points against in the league.
9th points for.
yet you think the backline is our problem?
your solution is to send out third most goal kicker down back?
I think there a number of problems
I would play lids there as I don't think we are good enough, to have the luxury of having lids anywhere bar the quarterback. Where he can intercept mark rebound, dictate the game
Ideally he'd be chf or ff
despite what some may think, Vlaustuin's second half of the year gives me great confidence he can impact games in the way you search across half back.
nor have you addressed that the difference between us and those playing this saturday, is not how much was scored against us, but how much we scored ourselves, and how taking our third best goal scorer out of attack and into defence actually addresses this issue?
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3rd least points against in the league.
9th points for.
yet you think the backline is our problem?
your solution is to send out third most goal kicker down back?
I think there a number of problems
I would play lids there as I don't think we are good enough, to have the luxury of having lids anywhere bar the quarterback. Where he can intercept mark rebound, dictate the game
Ideally he'd be chf or ff
despite what some may think, Vlaustuin's second half of the year gives me great confidence he can impact games in the way you search across half back.
nor have you addressed that the difference between us and those playing this saturday, is not how much was scored against us, but how much we scored ourselves, and how taking our third best goal scorer out of attack and into defence actually addresses this issue?
Lids should always have been a forward who played through the midfield 30-40% of the time. Poor bloke had to waste half his career sweeping across the HB line coz we were so shyte house. Could have kicked 75 goals in a great team. Doesn't miss.
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lids does miss, specially on the run.
poor bloke wasting half his career sweeping across half back?
gee now i feel sorry for luke hodge and his wasted career
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He had to play out of position in order to carry our ratshyte backline and put some class down there. Might as well put your best players where the ball is going to be...
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gee now i feel sorry for luke hodge and his wasted career
why was hodge playing in the back - when hes a star mid and pretty handy forward?
3rd least points against in the league.
9th points for.
yet you think the backline is our problem?
your solution is to send out third most goal kicker down back?
I think there a number of problems
I would play lids there as I don't think we are good enough, to have the luxury of having lids anywhere bar the quarterback. Where he can intercept mark rebound, dictate the game
Ideally he'd be chf or ff
despite what some may think, Vlaustuin's second half of the year gives me great confidence he can impact games in the way you search across half back.
Lids, Vlastuin, Rance, Grimes
starts to look alright (Carlise, Bennell) 8)
my philosophy is you build around the defense. Aint going to win a flag with chappy IMO, houli might need to be pushed higher so his softness is less evident at critical moments
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lol, lets just discuss coleslaw shall we?
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No club in their right mind would even consider trading a player like Lennon. That lad will win you games he is so talented & has the skills. He is a well weathered duck ;D Wet weather player :thumbsup
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No club in their right mind would even consider trading a player like Lennon. That lad will win you games he is so talented & has the skills. He is a well weathered duck ;D Wet weather player :thumbsup
That undertaker bloke on BigFooty reckons Lennon ( :clapping), Mcbean( :clapping), Vlastuin( :clapping) and Grigg( :-\) have signed, tba this week. Test his sources!
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i assume grigg will get the big dollars previously earmarked for the"big fish" ;D
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Can one still jump off west gate these days?
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No club in their right mind would even consider trading a player like Lennon. That lad will win you games he is so talented & has the skills. He is a well weathered duck ;D Wet weather player :thumbsup
That undertaker bloke on BigFooty reckons Lennon ( :clapping), Mcbean( :clapping), Vlastuin( :clapping) and Grigg( :-\) have signed, tba this week. Test his sources!
Vlastuin & McBean are contracted to the end of 2016 so they would be contract extensions ;D
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WP if its contract extensions for some then that can only mean more dollars for the griggster ;D
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No club in their right mind would even consider trading a player like Lennon. That lad will win you games he is so talented & has the skills. He is a well weathered duck ;D Wet weather player :thumbsup
That undertaker bloke on BigFooty reckons Lennon ( :clapping), Mcbean( :clapping), Vlastuin( :clapping) and Grigg( :-\) have signed, tba this week. Test his sources!
Vlastuin & McBean are contracted to the end of 2016 so they would be contract extensions ;D
Sorry you're right, he said signings and extensions.
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WP if its contract extensions for some then that can only mean more dollars for the griggster ;D
:clapping :yep
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Brett Anderson from Inside Footy:
"Nothing on Lennon in past week. Tigers dont want to lose him obviously."
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/with_replies
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Bloody sign him up already ffs. :banghead
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Ben Lennon named as one of the top 3 Tigers to watch next season on the RFC website.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-09-29/2015-tiger-top-threes-players-to-watch-next-season
So a good sign he's staying.
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:pray :pray :pray
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When he has signed he will be staying until then... :banghead
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When he has signed he will be staying until then... :banghead
Frustrating this is all the talk Ive heard is he has already signed, and the club posting videos and articles like this also makes you think its done, but until they release a statement its no sleep for us :banghead
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When he has signed he will be staying until then... :banghead
Frustrating this is all the talk Ive heard is he has already signed, and the club posting videos and articles like this also makes you think its done, but until they release a statement its no sleep for us :banghead
Try drinking it makes the trouble of the world go away
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When he has signed he will be staying until then... :banghead
Frustrating this is all the talk Ive heard is he has already signed, and the club posting videos and articles like this also makes you think its done, but until they release a statement its no sleep for us :banghead
Try drinking it makes the trouble of the world go away
This is true.
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When he has signed he will be staying until then... :banghead
Frustrating this is all the talk Ive heard is he has already signed, and the club posting videos and articles like this also makes you think its done, but until they release a statement its no sleep for us :banghead
Try drinking it makes the trouble of the world go away
This is true.
The cause of and solution to all of lifes problems?! :gotigers
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When he has signed he will be staying until then... :banghead
Frustrating this is all the talk Ive heard is he has already signed, and the club posting videos and articles like this also makes you think its done, but until they release a statement its no sleep for us :banghead
Despite being a Lennon fan and him not signing yet i am still managing to sleep well.
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When he has signed he will be staying until then... :banghead
Frustrating this is all the talk Ive heard is he has already signed, and the club posting videos and articles like this also makes you think its done, but until they release a statement its no sleep for us :banghead
Despite being a Lennon fan and him not signing yet i am still managing to sleep well.
#hyperbole :rollin
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When he has signed he will be staying until then... :banghead
Frustrating this is all the talk Ive heard is he has already signed, and the club posting videos and articles like this also makes you think its done, but until they release a statement its no sleep for us :banghead
Despite being a Lennon fan and him not signing yet i am still managing to sleep well.
#hyperbole :rollin
:thumbsup
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Maybe they are waiting until next Tuesday evening :lol
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Apparently Ralph Carr is behind the stall in negotiations.
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Apparently Ralph Carr is behind the stall in negotiations.
Apparently trying to find his rug. :whistle
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Big strides in the deal lately :shh
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The Tigers remain confident of re-signing out of contract youngster Ben Lennon who was the club's first selection in the 2013 NAB AFL Draft.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-02/trade-whispers-bird-could-fly-from-swans
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Sign him up before Monday Tigers!!!!!!
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Sign him up before Monday Tigers!!!!!!
Any time in particular?
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:lol
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Sign him up before Monday Tigers!!!!!!
Any time in particular?
6.47am would be fantastic. :thumbsup
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Henderson is a SPUD. :snidegrin He ain't worth nothing. Fringe paid player ;D
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From BF:
Jay Clark Trade talk... 'Lennon a worry for Tigers'.
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Sigh, when is this kid gunna be stuffing signed. Dusty of '13 all over again :thumbsdown
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From BF:
Jay Clark Trade talk... 'Lennon a worry for Tigers'.
Still?? So much for ensuring we keep our own as many have spruiked off abut the club doing.. :whistle
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If he goes to the Tankers Ill stuffing spew, and we will be after their one of their first round picks. This kid is going to be a quality player.
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If he goes to the Tankers Ill stuffing spew, and we will be after their one of their first round picks. This kid is going to be a quality player.
:thumbsup
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Hasn't Lennon been pee'd off yet? If he doesn't like us then stuff off
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Hasn't Lennon been pee'd off yet? If he doesn't like us then stuff off
He might be a part of the big fish trade we have brewing.
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Will he make an appearance tomorrow.
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From BF:
Jay Clark Trade talk... 'Lennon a worry for Tigers'.
No context to it. Just a quick throw-away reply that doesn't add anything new.
Q. Hey Jay, any news on Tomlinson or Lennon?
@clarkyheraldsun - Lennon a worry for Tigers. How does GWS let go of Tomlinson? I think that would be a mistake. Got a huge tank, decent hands. Will be a player.
http://www.themercury.com.au/richmond-pulls-out-of-harley-bennell-trade-race/story-fnj3twbb-1227556382433
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Exactly - we should go for Tomlinson.
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obviously
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Could walk to the blues for nada.
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Q. Could dogs enter race for bennel, Lennon or stevie J?
Sam Landsberger - .... expecting Ben Lennon to stay a Tiger ...
http://www.themercury.com.au/jake-carlisle-meets-st-kilda-race-for-his-signature-narrows-to-two-clubs/story-fnj3twbb-1227557972449
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so were are we at with everything people all I hear is yarran yarran yarran ok that's all good and well... really juist want to hear we are into someone else like this small forward to help out kicking goals ... I see trengrove is back in full training NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :lol :lol :lol...
geelong like Collingwood and carlton and stkilda seem to be into everyone wether they get them is another story at least it is givng there fans some hope we are a better club then those 4 and I feel in a better position moving forward carlsile seedsman and the guys from GWS sure choco would no if they are any good and we should have a sniff....
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Yeah Lennon will stay and all the nuffers on here and the RFC will come out saying it was a great triumph for all that Lennon has stayed and that he was our big fish target... ;D
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At the B&F ...and on crutches....
(http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/10/180680_e43cc1bff0335cabaf01c71bfdcf18ab.jpg)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/35-ben-lennon.1098083/page-71#post-41352641
Interesting to also note Astbury conducting the interview.....a role they surely wouldn't give to a bloke about to be traded...
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At the B&F ...and on crutches....
(http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/10/180680_e43cc1bff0335cabaf01c71bfdcf18ab.jpg)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/35-ben-lennon.1098083/page-71#post-41352641
Interesting to also note Astbury conducting the interview.....a role they surely wouldn't give to a bloke about to be traded...
Just getting some return for paying him
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At the B&F ...and on crutches....
(http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/10/180680_e43cc1bff0335cabaf01c71bfdcf18ab.jpg)
Clean up on his hip
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Could walk to the blues for nada.
That does indeed appear to e the problem
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Richmond continues to work on a deal for small forward Ben Lennon, believing he wants to stay despite rival offers.
Source: Herald-Sun website (http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-hawthorn-could-join-richmond-in-race-for-chris-yarran/story-fnj3twbb-1227560805107)
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FWIW Lennon has a massive tiger tattooed on his torso.
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Tey can remove those these days
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I am more confident Lennon will stay now.
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geez whiz
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From Twitter
@AFLTrade: There is still work to do to get Ben Lennon a new contract at Richmond but the Tigers are hoping that he will sign soon. #AFL #AFLTrade
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Just sign the contract Ben. You've done nothing yet.
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From Twitter
@AFLTrade: There is still work to do to get Ben Lennon a new contract at Richmond but the Tigers are hoping that he will sign soon. #AFL #AFLTrade
Hope so.
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Lennon's manager is on SEN:
* Fair to say, the club's offer is still a way off from what Lennon and his manager wants.
* Speaking to Dan Richardson today about the contract.
* Lennon wants to remain at Richmond and that's what we are working towards. It's just about going through a process.
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AFL trades 2015: Ben Lennon’s future at Richmond still to be decided
22 minutes ago
Riley Beveridge
FOX SPORTS
THE future of Richmond youngster Ben Lennon remains up in the air, with his manager confirming there is still “work to do” before he pens a new deal.
The 20-year-old is out of contract following the conclusion of the 2015 season and has attracted the interest of a number of rival clubs.
Carlton is believed to be one side closely monitoring his current situation.
But his manager, Anthony McConville, has revealed he remains “hopeful” he will be at the Tigers next year.
“I’ll be getting on the phone to have another chat to (Richmond general manager) Dan Richardson today,” he told Trade Radio.
“At this point in time, we’ve still got a bit of work to do to make sure that a deal gets done.”
However, McConville confirmed Lennon is keen to finalise a deal with the Tigers.
“I’m hoping he will be at Richmond and I’m working towards that outcome,” he said.
“Suffice to say, there’s been no considerable interest from outside clubs. They’re the market forces at play.
“The priority is to try and remain at Richmond, Ben’s hoping to remain at Richmond, so we’ll work towards that outcome.
“I’m not going to mention potential (suitors). Obviously, Carlton has been mentioned, but there is a number of other clubs.
“My view is he will be a Richmond player next year.”
Lennon has played 16 games with Richmond, having been selected with pick 12 at the 2013 national draft.
He was awarded a Rising Star nomination in Round 22, but was dropped a fortnight later ahead of Richmond’s elimination final against North Melbourne.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trades-2015-ben-lennons-future-at-richmond-still-to-be-decided/story-fni5f9jb-1227561726152
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We're probably going to wait and see what is left in the kitty for Lennon after the trade period.
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With JOM on $1mill a season might not be much left :shh :shh :shh
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Key here talk to Dan not Blair :snidegrin
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Lennon's future at Tigerland remains in doubt
Ben Collins
afl.com.au
October 8, 2015 1:02 PM
TALENTED forward Ben Lennon's future at Richmond remains in doubt, with the Tigers still yet to sign the uncontracted youngster.
The 20-year-old, the No.12 pick in the 2013 NAB AFL Draft, played the last eight home and away games this year before being controversially dropped for the elimination final against North Melbourne.
Lennon's manager Anthony McConville told NAB AFL Trade Radio on Thursday that Lennon was disappointed by the omission, and although his intention was to remain at Tigerland, it was no certainty.
"I'll be getting on the phone to have another chat with (Richmond football manager) Dan Richardson today," McConville said.
"We've still got a bit of work to do to make sure that a deal gets done.
"He was disappointed (to be dropped). Any player's disappointed when they're left out of a final.
"He's played 16 games over two years, which some would say is a fair effort. His expectation is very high of himself.
"He's just come off another hip operation so he's been limited in his preparation for the first two years.
"Going forward into another pre-season fully fit, we expect a lot of Ben next year, as I'm sure Richmond do.
"There's been considerable interest from outside clubs. Ben's hoping to remain at Richmond, so we'll just work towards that outcome."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-08/lennons-tigerland-future-in-doubt
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F him off if he wants too much.
We already paid way overs for the early years of Vickery, Conca and Martin. They all got $300-400k+ so that we could retain them when they weren't worth it. Only Martin has lived up to his potential and is deserving of this kind of money.
If Lennon thinks 16 games in 2 years whilst being injury prone gives him the right to ask for more money just because other clubs are interested then we should trade him straight off. Get a first round pick for him...
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If Lennon thinks 16 games in 2 years whilst being injury prone gives him the right to ask for more money just because other clubs are interested then we should trade him straight off. Get a first round pick for him...
Just playing devil's advocate here
But what if it isn't the player wanting/asking for more money?
What if it's the club who's offering less
Just throwing it out there
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If Lennon thinks 16 games in 2 years whilst being injury prone gives him the right to ask for more money just because other clubs are interested then we should trade him straight off. Get a first round pick for him...
Just playing devil's advocate here
But what if it isn't the player wanting/asking for more money?
What if it's the club who's offering less
Just throwing it out there
What do you think he's worth for curiosity's sake?
This is why AFL player's salaries should be disclosed.
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Well we do know the minimum kids drafted have to receive
But to answer your question I reckon $290-$320k a season with a few incentives for good measure
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less than grigg ...
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less than grigg ...
I don't know like you don't know what any players on
But I reckon it's a fair assume that a bloke who's been in the system longer than 2 seasons and played more than 16 games is going to earn more
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less than grigg ...
What was Grigg on after 16 games?
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less than grigg ...
I don't know like you don't know what any players on
you knew what cotchin was on innit
lets play a game
what do you think hampson, chaplin, grigg are on p season?
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less than grigg ...
I don't know like you don't know what any players on
you knew what cotchin was on innit
lets play a game
what do you think hampson, chaplin, grigg are on p season?
I don't know what Cotchins on, can only go by what's reported
Just like you
As for the other 3 I don't know can only go by what's reported
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less than grigg ...
I don't know like you don't know what any players on
you knew what cotchin was on innit
lets play a game
what do you think hampson, chaplin, grigg are on p season?
I don't know what Cotchins on, can only go by what's reported
Just like you
As for the other 3 I don't know can only go by what's reported
fair enough
how much are those three reportedly on?
its of interest - given the lennon contract hypothetical you were discussing moments ago...
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Not fully across this but arent players saleries published in many sporting leagues across the globe?..Do you good folk think it would be good to introduce this for our champs here
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Not fully across this but arent players saleries published in many sporting leagues across the globe?..Do you good folk think it would be good to introduce this for our champs here
in other leagues / codes
they also, have a fair fixture and stuff like that
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Comrade Jo...can you explain to me how a fair fixture and player payments connect...Maybe its been a long day and I aint doing clear thinking here
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Comrade Jo...can you explain to me how a fair fixture and player payments connect...Maybe its been a long day and I aint doing clear thinking here
sorry
lack of integrity and / or professionalism
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Well we do know the minimum kids drafted have to receive
But to answer your question I reckon $290-$320k a season with a few incentives for good measure
Really? I wouldn't be offering more than $400-500k for two years. Happy to put incentives in.
Bloke hasn't really done anything yet.
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Ta Comrade
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Gone.
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Well we do know the minimum kids drafted have to receive
But to answer your question I reckon $290-$320k a season with a few incentives for good measure
Really? I wouldn't be offering more than $400-500k for two years. Happy to put incentives in.
Bloke hasn't really done anything yet.
Isn't that just over minimum wage, for someone third year in system?
Being a 19 year old pick 12
Is the onus not on Richmond to pay him somewhat on potential , and develop him well? Seeing as we choose to draft the lad and are the ones coaching him every day
Whatever happens , it's a joke it has come down to the last few days of his contract expiry ... Shambles
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Must keep Grigg at all costs!
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Well minimum wage for a listed player is about $80,000.
Average wage throughout the AFL is about $260,000+.
Don't think this blokes deserves anything above average yet. He's 'shown a bit' over a handful of games and that's literally all he has done.
Well we do know the minimum kids drafted have to receive
But to answer your question I reckon $290-$320k a season with a few incentives for good measure
Really? I wouldn't be offering more than $400-500k for two years. Happy to put incentives in.
Bloke hasn't really done anything yet.
Isn't that just over minimum wage, for someone third year in system?
Being a 19 year old pick 12
Is the onus not on Richmond to pay him somewhat on potential , and develop him well? Seeing as we choose to draft the lad and are the ones coaching him every day
Whatever happens , it's a joke it has come down to the last few days of his contract expiry ... Shambles
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Lennon will be gun for the next decade. If people can't already see that his skills, composure & decision making are all a class above the majority of our list then they're stuffing blind. People expect us to identify & recruit talent yet even when we already have talent on our list we apparently can't see it's value.
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Well minimum wage for a listed player is about $80,000.
That's the base, they then get match payments on top of that
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Well minimum wage for a listed player is about $80,000.
That's the base, they then get match payments on top of that
A first year player that plays all 22 get a little over 200k from memory?
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less than grigg ...
I don't know like you don't know what any players on
you knew what cotchin was on innit
lets play a game
what do you think hampson, chaplin, grigg are on p season?
I don't know what Cotchins on, can only go by what's reported
Just like you
As for the other 3 I don't know can only go by what's reported
fair enough
how much are those three reportedly on?
its of interest - given the lennon contract hypothetical you were discussing moments ago...
good point bents
Il have a crack. Hampson 300-350k, grigg 350 and chaplin 350-400, knights retired 350
lennon doesnt deserve more than 260k though. :help :help
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Talks between the Tigers and out-of-contract midfielder Ben Lennon are closer to resolution.
Source: Herald-Sun website (http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-richmond-shows-interest-in-gws-midfielder-jacob-townsend/story-fnj3twbb-1227563687972)
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damn
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Q. Are Richmond any closer to re signing Lennon?
Ben Waterworth (@bjwaterworth) - Not at this stage. The whole Lennon/Yarran/Blues/Tigers scenario could take the whole period
October 12 2015 10:54 AM
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-follow-the-action-as-the-afl-trade-period-kicks-off/story-fnj3twbb-1227565615717
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Talks between the Tigers and out-of-contract midfielder Ben Lennon are closer to resolution.
Source: Herald-Sun website (http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-richmond-shows-interest-in-gws-midfielder-jacob-townsend/story-fnj3twbb-1227563687972)
:banghead :banghead oops sorry, :clapping :clapping
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The Tigers' young forward Ben Lennon remains out of contract, with negotiations on the terms of a new deal yet to be concluded. While Richmond remains optimistic of re-signing him the fact he remains out of contract with the trade period now underway is surprising. No club is understood to have enquired about Lennon as a trade target on Monday at the opening of trades.
Source: The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-trades-2015-saints-explore-pick-slide-for-jake-carlisle-20151012-gk7aji.html#ixzz3oLVsRI1q)
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What is the timeline for us to get this done before we are at risk of him walking to draft?
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His contract expires on the 31st of October, so I'd presume then.
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We cry about giving away draft picks.
He was our number 1 pick 2 years ago.
He is not injured.
He goes well, god mark, good kick, tackles, is not slow, good size.
If he was playing for another club we would be drooling at the prospect of getting him.
To me it is obvious.
FFS sign him up Tigers.
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Yep circus
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And he wants to much money for a player who has played 15 games
4 as a sub
Interesting hey
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Q. Are Richmond any closer to re signing Lennon?
Ben Waterworth (@bjwaterworth) - Not at this stage. The whole Lennon/Yarran/Blues/Tigers scenario could take the whole period
October 12 2015 10:54 AM
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-follow-the-action-as-the-afl-trade-period-kicks-off/story-fnj3twbb-1227565615717
"Could take the whole draft period"
OMFG, really, why, what's so hard, swap our second rounder or walk, apparently we have enough stars anyway... :whistle
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this is a crazy situation.
Just play every player what they want.
All this salary cap management is just BS
Pay him what he wants AND EXTRA TO MAKE SURE HE NEVER LEAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And he wants to much money for a player who has played 15 games
4 as a sub
Interesting hey
Really
You sure about that?
;D
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this is a crazy situation.
Just play every player what they want.
All this salary cap management is just BS
Pay him what he wants AND EXTRA TO MAKE SURE HE NEVER LEAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Na
Lose a 19 year old , pick 12 to Carlton, for free
Over 25k
When he have hacks on millions Hampson, Gordon, Chappy, griggster
Genius running the club
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THIS IS ALL OVER 25K?
NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!
25K?????
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
SO, SO, ANGRY!!!!!!!
and then to find out gordon is on millions
WOW, just WOW
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Been told the real reason for this impasse is that Hardwick is pushing for him to be traded....was livid with his effort in the first half of Round. 23 and apparently said something along the lines of "If that lazy c**t thinks he just going to be gifted a final, then he's got another thing coming...I'll stuffin' trade his arse...".....just doesn't like him...rubs him up the wrong way and the feeling's pretty much mutual.....
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Been told the real reason for this impasse is that Hardwick is pushing for him to be traded....was livid with his effort in the first half of Round. 23 and apparently said something along the lines of "If that lazy c**t thinks he just going to be gifted a final, then he's got another thing coming...I'll stuffin' trade his arse...".....just doesn't like him...rubs him up the wrong way and the feeling's pretty much mutual.....
Whoa....do you have a link please...this is damning stuff. If this is true Hardwick had better put away his bloody ego, it's about the club, not him!!!
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Been told the real reason for this impasse is that Hardwick is pushing for him to be traded....was livid with his effort in the first half of Round. 23 and apparently said something along the lines of "If that lazy c**t thinks he just going to be gifted a final, then he's got another thing coming...I'll stuffin' trade his arse...".....just doesn't like him...rubs him up the wrong way and the feeling's pretty much mutual.....
Yep, he has a big head and drinks his own bath water but he has plenty of talent. What to do?
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THIS IS ALL OVER 25K?
NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!
25K?????
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
SO, SO, ANGRY!!!!!!!
and then to find out gordon is on millions
WOW, just WOW
Why don't you tell us , the numbers
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I'd rather pee off Hardwick and keep Lennon.
No I don't have a link WAT, was just something I was told in person about an hour and a half ago.......
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Forgive me - but isn't that the type of coach we want.
Show this 15 game prima donna the door or tell the princess to toughen the @#$/ up.
Unless you want a club where the tail wags the dog.
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Been told the real reason for this impasse is that Hardwick is pushing for him to be traded....was livid with his effort in the first half of Round. 23 and apparently said something along the lines of "If that lazy c**t thinks he just going to be gifted a final, then he's got another thing coming...I'll stuffin' trade his arse...".....just doesn't like him...rubs him up the wrong way and the feeling's pretty much mutual.....
Yep, he has a big head and drinks his own bath water but he has plenty of talent. What to do?
I'm a bit like this with him. No denying his talent and I wouldn't mind him staying but if he left I wouldn't give a stuff about the little figjam.
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Funny stuff indeed
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Well then, the plot thickens.
Supposedly,
Carlton are peed with Richmonds stubbornness in the yarran trade and are also under the belief (understanding?) there is friction with Lennon and Hardwick.
They have just about accepted that they wont get the first round pick for Yarran so are in Lennons ear to go into the PSD. They are using the impasse in Lennons contract and the Yarran trade negotiations as proof that Richmond are just pricks to deal with and he owes them nothing. They will be happy to take whatever Richmond is offering them and get Lennon for nothing
This is from a bloke who I know who is a forward scout for another club. He doesnt normally divulge to much ( unsure how much he actually does know) . He could be winding me up, but when I asked him if there was any truth to the Hardwick/Lennon story he said he didnt know.
:huh
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Well then, the plot thickens.
Supposedly,
Carlton are peed with Richmonds stubbornness in the yarran trade and are also under the belief (understanding?) there is friction with Lennon and Hardwick.
They have just about accepted that they wont get the first round pick for Yarran so are in Lennons ear to go into the PSD. They are using the impasse in Lennons contract and the Yarran trade negotiations as proof that Richmond are just pricks to deal with and he owes them nothing. They will be happy to take whatever Richmond is offering them and get Lennon for nothing
This is from a bloke who I know who is a forward scout for another club. He doesnt normally divulge to much ( unsure how much he actually does know) . He could be winding me up, but when I asked him if there was any truth to the Hardwick/Lennon story he said he didnt know.
:huh
Classic Carlscum. Surely he must be on the trade table if he hasnt resigned.
I really hope we dont stuff this up.
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[graemerichmond]Trade him somewhere else just to spite the bastards![/graemerichmond]
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Well then, the plot thickens.
Supposedly,
Carlton are peed with Richmonds stubbornness in the yarran trade and are also under the belief (understanding?) there is friction with Lennon and Hardwick.
They have just about accepted that they wont get the first round pick for Yarran so are in Lennons ear to go into the PSD. They are using the impasse in Lennons contract and the Yarran trade negotiations as proof that Richmond are just pricks to deal with and he owes them nothing. They will be happy to take whatever Richmond is offering them and get Lennon for nothing
This is from a bloke who I know who is a forward scout for another club. He doesnt normally divulge to much ( unsure how much he actually does know) . He could be winding me up, but when I asked him if there was any truth to the Hardwick/Lennon story he said he didnt know.
:huh
Link to your friend please or non of that is true. :snidegrin
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dont have a link so hopefully none of it is true
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All good for a laugh
Wonderful time of the football year ;D
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Goneski if you go by Lids article on the RFC site. No mention of him.... :'(
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-10-13/deledio-tips-tiger-youth-to-provide-boost
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Goneski if you go by Lids article on the RFC site. No mention of him.... :'(
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-10-13/deledio-tips-tiger-youth-to-provide-boost
:lol :lol
People are really looking for anything aren't they ;D
No disrespect to anyone but it really is funny
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When William Powell posts like this, he knows something that the rest of us don't.
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yeah, its always funny until someone gets hurt
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When William Powell posts like this, he knows something that the rest of us don't.
Even if I did wouldn't be saying a word ;D
But
:nope
I've just been on Twitter and the comments on there are bewildering to say the least
Just think everyone is looking for something, anything so they can move on from this now stupidly drawn out saga
Should never have got to this point IMV
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Blues target Tigers forward
Liam FitzGibbon
Herald-Sun
October 13, 2015
CARLTON could attempt to lure Richmond small forward Ben Lennon into the pre-season draft if his contact impasse continues.
The Blues prized first pick in the pre-season draft has them watching with interest if Adam Treloar’s trade saga with Collingwood drags on.
But realistically Treloar will eventually get to Collingwood despite GWS list manager Graeme Allan confirming on Tuesday bidding is open.
Richmond had hoped to have secured second-year mid-sized forward Lennon by now, stating that he is a required player.
He was a huge Carlton supporter growing up and they are desperate for more goalkicking options given their scoring malaise.
His manager Anthony McConville said Tuesday he was still negotiating in good faith with the Tigers about a new contract.
But the Blues interest would ramp up if they could secure him for free given a breakdown in talks.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trades-carlton-could-lure-richmond-small-forward-ben-lennon-into-pre-season-draft/story-fndv8t7m-1227567903518
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Lennon to gws, our first pick to gws, we get their 2nd pick and treloar
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I do know for a fact Lennon isn't happy with some things at Richmond but that doesn't mean he'll ship off after 2 years. Anyone who thinks it's all rosy are kidding themselves however
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Other clubs are busy negotiating getting their list better for next year and we cannot even sign our first round pick from 2 years ago that actually looked like he was ready to take the next step in the last few games he played before DH dropped him for our final. Don't make two mistakes Dimma.
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I do know for a fact Lennon isn't happy with some things at Richmond but that doesn't mean he'll ship off after 2 years. Anyone who thinks it's all rosy are kidding themselves however
9 games 6 goals, 18th in the vfl b&f , I'm tipping he may have been torn a new one in his performance appraisal ::)
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I do know for a fact Lennon isn't happy with some things at Richmond but that doesn't mean he'll ship off after 2 years. Anyone who thinks it's all rosy are kidding themselves however
9 games 6 goals, 18th in the vfl b&f , I'm tipping he may have been torn a new one in his performance appraisal ::)
who cares about his finish in the VFL B&F or how many goals he kicked considering he was sub multiple times. it's obvious he's a future gun, he just needs good coaching and continuity
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I do know for a fact Lennon isn't happy with some things at Richmond but that doesn't mean he'll ship off after 2 years. Anyone who thinks it's all rosy are kidding themselves however
9 games 6 goals, 18th in the vfl b&f , I'm tipping he may have been torn a new one in his performance appraisal ::)
who cares about his finish in the VFL B&F or how many goals he kicked considering he was sub multiple times. it's obvious he's a future gun, he just needs good coaching and continuity
The kid oozes talent. Just needs to improve his tank and get a few games under his belt and then we can all say whoa!!! :shh
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I do know for a fact Lennon isn't happy with some things at Richmond but that doesn't mean he'll ship off after 2 years. Anyone who thinks it's all rosy are kidding themselves however
9 games 6 goals, 18th in the vfl b&f , I'm tipping he may have been torn a new one in his performance appraisal ::)
who cares about his finish in the VFL B&F or how many goals he kicked considering he was sub multiple times. it's obvious he's a future gun, he just needs good coaching and continuity
The kid oozes talent. Just needs to improve his tank and get a few games under his belt and then we can all say whoa!!! :shh
:cheers
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:lol
I just can't help it
:lol
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I CANT HELP IT. :lol
I think Lennon will be a great player for us, hes got the tools
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I'm a Lennon fan but some of the speculation and endless "reasons" on why he hasn't signed I find funny.... They are incredible
Said early seems everyone is looking for a reason as to why this saga has dragged on for so long
So forgive me if I can't see any point in getting worked up, stressing or angry about it, better to just do this :lol
Which is what I'm doing,
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I CANT HELP IT. :lol
I think Lennon will be a great player for us, hes got the tools
Lets Bring a bit of Las Vegas to OER! :lol
Hit it Petey!!!! "Bright Light City Gonna set my Soul on fire..."
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There's a reason all the experts were calling him a steal at pick 12....he's basically another Deledio minus the pace....only a fool of a club or an idiot of a coach would give up that kind of talent too early or too lightly....
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From the Hun...,,
CARLTON could attempt to lure Richmond small forward Ben Lennon into the pre-season draft if his contact impasse continues.
The Blues prized first pick in the pre-season draft has them watching with interest if Adam Treloar’s trade saga with Collingwood drags on.
But realistically Treloar will eventually get to Collingwood despite GWS list manager Graeme Allan confirming on Tuesday bidding is open.
Richmond had hoped to have secured second-year mid-sized forward Lennon by now, stating that he is a required player.
He was a huge Carlton supporter growing up and they are desperate for more goalkicking options given their scoring malaise.
His manager Anthony McConville said Tuesday he was still negotiating in good faith with the Tigers about a new contract.
But the Blues interest would ramp up if they could secure him for free given a breakdown in talks.
The Tigers have re-signed midfielder Shaun Grigg, who has activated a trigger for a third season in his current contract.
Lucky we got Griggsy
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Another delids , gimme a break , and I'm another usain bolt , without the pace :lol
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Another delids , gimme a break , and I'm another usain bolt , without the pace :lol
How is this helpful?? I'd say you're more Insane than Usain. >:(
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Guess that means bo regards Lennon as an FJ failure....like....woah... :shh
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beat me to it dio
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(http://www.fakeshoredrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/woah.jpg?02722e)
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And the news from Brett Anderson on SEN is .......
No new news.
Anderson - The longer this goes, the more worrying it is for Tiger fans that Lennon will stay. Club and player still a fair way apart.
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whats grigg on ?
what lennon want / offered ?
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Here's a suggestion
Dan deal with this yourself and get it sorted
Don't leave it to others, do it your bloody self >:(
That is all
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Another delids , gimme a break , and I'm another usain bolt , without the pace :lol
you post rubbish all the time
but this is really bad
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@Jonesracing82 - if Lennon walks to Carlton via PSD then some sackings need to happen at Punt Road!
@natyibetta - he's asking for 600k I understand why Richmond hasn't signed yet.
https://twitter.com/natyibetta
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Who is Natyibetta and why is that rubbish quoted :lol
Thats ridiuclous
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clearly twitter is a reliable source of info?
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clearly twitter is a reliable source of info?
It's a rumour, just like this:
TIGERMAN - I believe he wants $450k for 3-4 years. Hasn't done much as yet..but we invested in him for a few years.
https://twitter.com/LIBRAMALE
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Tigers have lost patience.
Contract offer to Lennon is off the table.
Stay tuned for further developments.
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From BF.....(I personally think this poster is a bit of a flog and generally full of it but a lot of people rate him as a source for some reason....)
Lennon is separate, that is what I have been told. Not to disrespect anyone else with other mail but Lennon has nothing to do with it. Bottom line we have gone into this period with specific needs. We have aimed at the stars and have missed out, we are not the only club to have done this, pies, cats, even North. Now we are trying to get the best we can. Townsend is a lock. We are shopping a few players around to see if we can obtain another pick etc, one to be past on for yarran. That is not lennons fault.
IMO I heard some positive news that both party's had a break through today and are getting very close, so i am hoping lennon signs
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-open-discussion-rfc-forum.1114612/page-159#post-41518998
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Who is Natyibetta and why is that rubbish quoted :lol
Thats ridiuclous
Now do you understand why I am doing a lot of this :lol
There's some gold on Twitter
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Who is Natyibetta and why is that rubbish quoted :lol
Thats ridiuclous
Now do you understand why I am doing a lot of this :lol
There's some gold on Twitter
;D
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Ok had heard from a reliable source our deal for lennon is off the table. Club seeking a trade
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already said that :banghead
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Ok had heard from a reliable source our deal for lennon is off the table. Club seeking a trade
:lol
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already said that :banghead
Yeah but the people want credibility so naturally they'd listen to me more so. ;)
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already said that :banghead
You must learn to share accolades.
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yea, wittol
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lol lol and wot?
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Who is Natyibetta and why is that rubbish quoted :lol
Thats ridiuclous
Now do you understand why I am doing a lot of this :lol
There's some gold on Twitter
:snidegrin
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Carlton have offered him a deal but his preference is to stay with us, so trying to work out a deal. If it turns pear shaped then Carlton will welcome him with open arms but they fully expect him to stay with us. Straight from a contact at Carlton who I have been mates with for yrs.
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Carlton have offered him a deal but his preference is to stay with us, so trying to work out a deal. If it turns pear shaped then Carlton will welcome him with open arms but they fully expect him to stay with us. Straight from a contact at Carlton who I have been mates with for yrs.
Hope so TM.
If Lennon is let go through the PSD heads will roll
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Carlton have offered him a deal but his preference is to stay with us, so trying to work out a deal. If it turns pear shaped then Carlton will welcome him with open arms but they fully expect him to stay with us. Straight from a contact at Carlton who I have been mates with for yrs.
Hope so TM.
If Lennon is let go through the PSD heads will roll
And so they should.
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just let me know when i should start sharpening up the pitch fork.
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I'm ready to smother someone to death in chicken poo
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Mods, can we have a chicken poo or chicken heart emoticon added?
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Mods, can we have a chicken poo or chicken heart emoticon added?
And a Grigg Chaplin one too please, I'm worried about Bents fingers wearing down to stubs
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:lol
at least that will stop the scratching.........
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And another activity that involves a hand.
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just let me know when i should start sharpening up the pitch fork.
Just revved up the chainsaw, strapped on the hockey mask....
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I think they're shopping him around. Honestly theyve got the cap space, there's something more to this we dont know. :shh
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If he s demanding 400-500k a yeR which is my mail, he s gone , kammy Mac who's twice the player would have just signed on for considerably less :shh
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If he s demanding 400-500k a yeR which is my mail, he s gone , kammy Mac who's twice the player would have just signed on for considerably less :shh
If thats true, he can walk to Carlton. What a disgrace!
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in before grigg chaplin gordon
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Grigglin
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Have heard from an extremely reliable source that Lennon thinks he is a $50k per annum better player than Howe and wants $650k per season
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If he s demanding 400-500k a yeR which is my mail, he s gone , kammy Mac who's twice the player would have just signed on for considerably less :shh
:lol :lol your mail?
What you've been reading Twitter too?
Please .. No one has any mail but Twitter is golden I'll give you that
And all this speculation of numbers that no one has a clue about
Leads to comments like this
If he s demanding 400-500k a yeR which is my mail, he s gone , kammy Mac who's twice the player would have just signed on for considerably less :shh
If thats true, he can walk to Carlton. What a disgrace!
And people wonder why I'm doing this :lol
No one knows the "real" reasons for the impasse
But I'll say it again, Dan take over this saga and get it done
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pretty sure joseph knows the numbers
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Face it. Who gives a stuff
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I hope he goes and we get something of value for him.
Lets hope the much over inflated hysteria shown by segments of our supporter base is matched by other clubs. I think if that happens we can look forward to a top 5 pick.
About the only thing he has positively shown the club is that he is a idiot.
The tail does not wag the dog at any level, stuff him off.
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kammy Mac who's twice the player
(http://images.bigfootymedia.com/smilies/drunk.png)
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I hope he goes and we get something of value for him.
Lets hope the much over inflated hysteria shown by segments of our supporter base is matched by other clubs. I think if that happens we can look forward to a top 5 pick.
About the only thing he has positively shown the club is that he is a idiot.
The tail does not wag the dog at any level, stuff him off.
Not having a swipe at you Rodger but your post highlights what I find really annoying
You like many others have made assumptions. And that is in this case that somehow the tail is somehow wagging the dog
What if that's not the case and maybe it is actually the club that is stuffing him around? It has been known to happen
I understand it's easier to blame players is these situations but it isn't always the players who are the ones at fault in these situations
As I posted just a few posts back no one knows for sure why it's got to this point.
Yes it's been reported that there's an issue with $$$ but the numbers being thrown around are truly farcical. because no one knows for sure what's been offered and what's been asked for but gee it's easy to make up a number and make someone look like and idiot or a mercenary
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I hope he goes and we get something of value for him.
Lets hope the much over inflated hysteria shown by segments of our supporter base is matched by other clubs. I think if that happens we can look forward to a top 5 pick.
About the only thing he has positively shown the club is that he is a idiot.
The tail does not wag the dog at any level, stuff him off.
Not having a swipe at you Rodger but your post highlights what I find really annoying
You like many others have made assumptions. And that is in this case that somehow the tail is somehow wagging the dog
What if that's not the case and maybe it is actually the club that is stuffing him around? It has been known to happen
I understand it's easier to blame players is these situations but it isn't always the players who are the ones at fault in these situations
As I posted just a few posts back no one knows for sure why it's got to this point.
Yes it's been reported that there's an issue with $$$ but the numbers being thrown around are truly farcical. because no one knows for sure what's been offered and what's been asked for but gee it's easy to make up a number and make someone look like and idiot or a mercenary
Yes, i,ve been where you are.
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Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
"SOS has always thought he could get someone to the PSD. It may end up being Lennon. Not sure."
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/with_replies
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BEN LENNON
RICHMOND should begin to throw the house at young gun Ben Lennon in order to convince him to remain at the club.
That is the opinion of Western Bulldogs legend and Fox Footy analyst Brad Johnson, who says the Tigers would be starting to get concerned about the fact he is yet to re-sign.
“If I was at Richmond, I’d be starting to fight as hard as I could to make this deal happen,” he told Fox Footy’s Market Watch.
“Richmond is in a great position at the moment where they’re playing finals. His growth will continue with his own personal development.
“If he goes to Carlton, he’s not going to get anywhere near finals. He might get some games under his belt, but I think with where Richmond is at he’s going to be in that line-up.
“He could be the difference between Richmond jumping into the top four over the next two or three years, with his ability as a link-up player.”
Lennon, a former first-round draft pick, has played 16 games in two years with Richmond and was nominated for the Rising Star in 2015.
He is out of contract at season’s end and is yet to renew at Tigerland.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/afl-trades-2015-has-geelong-put-itself-behind-the-eight-ball-in-future-trade-scenarios/story-e6frf3e3-1227569260461
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Gone.
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Why has the club and Dan Richardson left it so late to resign him is it the club or Lennon himself because if it's the club I would sack all involved.If it's Lennon and his rejecting contracts over $$$ after only being at the club for 2 seasons and being lazy at times in the VFL well he can pee off for me goodbye.
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Love the term " young gun "
15 games in 2 years ( 4 as sub )
Please !!
It's true .wants approx double the $$$$
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Its not his fault the idiotic coach of ours played Newman and Gordon types ahead of him
Wake up. Newman played more games so let's offer him a contract hey?
Conca missed how many games but yep straight to the final ahead of Lennon. I know who I would have preferred
In a way I'm kind of hoping it will happen and heads will finally roll
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Love the term " young gun "
15 games in 2 years ( 4 as sub )
Please !!
It's true .wants approx double the $$$$
It's true? Really?
Not having a go at you Jack but I'll ask you what I asked other know this how?
Fact is no one knows, it's all speculation
And BTW if he is asking for double and he was on the standard base wage for a 1st round draft pick then he isn't asking for much, he'd be asking for around $280k (including match payments) a year which would be in the average ball park range for a 3rd year player who was a 1st rounder...
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Guys, he's gone.
Let it go.
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lets put it this way he would be on less then Gordon,dea,lloyld,elton,thomas all players I believe he is a lot better then so asking to be on a wage better then those blokes id understand he has another 8-10 years left compared to the ones ive named lucky to be all there in 2017
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lets put it this way he would be on less then Gordon,dea,lloyld,elton,thomas all players I believe he is a lot better then so asking to be on a wage better then those blokes id understand he has another 8-10 years left compared to the ones ive named lucky to be all there in 2017
Just think about what you just said.
In the real world you would expect guys that have been at a job for a few years to be on more coin than a relative newbie. However, if that newbie is a star, he will make his way up the ranks faster and will have a long and secure career.
The others will stagnate in their positions and are likely to be replaced in the organization.
Exactly what is likely to happen here if Lennon stayed........
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Gone.
yep, i hope so too.
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Exactly what is likely to happen here if Lennon stayed........
If
So you reckon he's gone too ;D
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Exactly what is likely to happen here if Lennon stayed........
If
So you reckon he's gone too ;D
TBH I don't know WP. He may stay or he might leave. Only the club, his manager or Ben have any idea. The rest is speculation. As I put in a post earlier, it didn't sound good when Lids talked about our youngsters improving and being future stars and Lennon wasn't even mentioned. You would have thought he was second only to C. Ellis in junior talent at the club.......
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Dan Richardson is on Trade Radio now
Says they are very confident Lennon will re-sign
Very interesting things he said
Once the summary is up on the AFL website I'll post it
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Ok, well this is good news.
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If he s demanding 400-500k a yeR which is my mail, he s gone , kammy Mac who's twice the player would have just signed on for considerably less :shh
How sure are u he's twice the player? :whistle
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Love the term " young gun "
15 games in 2 years ( 4 as sub )
Please !!
It's true .wants approx double the $$$$
lol. Delist McBean too!! He's played, like no games Omg what a dud
nincompoop
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Dan Richardson is on Trade Radio now
Says they are very confident Lennon will re-sign
Very interesting things he said
Once the summary is up on the AFL website I'll post it
Hope so but need to sign him up quickly.
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just to elaborate in case that was too cryptic
a young player not getting games not does automatically mean the young player is rubbish
says more about the people drafting him, coaching him, selecting him for the seniors
- and he is similar to lids in various ways bo. they mark similar. they kick similar. do you want them to have the same haircuts?
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Stuffen sooky Gen Y flog. I hope we trade him to teach anyone else with a similar 'me me me' attitude that they are not welcome at RFC
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Tigers confident unsigned Lennon will stay
Dinny Navaratnam
afl.com.au
October 15, 2015 11:35 AM
RICHMOND general manager of football Dan Richardson says Ben Lennon will almost certainly be a Tiger next year, despite him not having yet signed a new contract.
The 20-year-old was the No.12 pick in the 2013 NAB AFL Draft but was dropped for Richmond's elimination final against North Melbourne earlier this year.
However, Richardson told NAB AFL Trade Radio on Thursday that Lennon was happy at the Tigers and will continue to wear the yellow and black.
"Ben's certainly not disgruntled," Richardson said.
"Like any player would be, he was disappointed to miss out on selection in that last game.
"Ben's really happy at Richmond, we want him to stay. I'm really confident he'll stay."
Richardson said the issues between the club and player had come down to figuring out a contract that both parties could be happy with.
"We've been really strong in what we're trying to achieve with our player payments," he said.
"Over the last few years, getting all our players to buy in to the fact that if you want to have success and stay together, there may be some sacrifices that need to be made.
"Ben's just getting his head around that and I'm sure he will."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-15/richmond-confident-unsigned-lennon-will-stay
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:lol
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Its not his fault the idiotic coach of ours played Newman and Gordon types ahead of him
Wake up. Newman played more games so let's offer him a contract hey?
Conca missed how many games but yep straight to the final ahead of Lennon. I know who I would have preferred
In a way I'm kind of hoping it will happen and heads will finally roll
Are you sure about this?
So who will be angry? Penny? Benny?
Who's going to roll heads at punt road?
:lol
Don't think anyone will do anything of the sort. It's a happy family at Tigerland and everyone is supposedly working their backsides off to help us improve. :rollin
Get ready for the spin if he goes for nothing.
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I think he will walk for nothing in PSD
Club will pat themselves on the back saying we set an example and don't need his kind.
Perhaps in hindsight could have played him in the final and increased his trade value and if he decided to stay at least we keep a quality player.
Club are to honest and gullible at times, >:(
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I think he will walk for nothing in PSD
See I reckon he will be staying ;D ;)
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From Twitter where it all seems to happening
@theafloffseason: Tigers revising offer to Ben Lennon. Will be surprised if he doesn't stay. Could be done today.
- Jay Clark, Herald Sun
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From Twitter where it all seems to happening
@theafloffseason: Tigers revising offer to Ben Lennon. Will be surprised if he doesn't stay. Could be done today.
- Jay Clark, Herald Sun
Well Played WP. Cool head under pressure. Watch the peanut gallery come in swinging now, "the club shouldnt be paying overs for this kid."
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Mods, can we have a peanut gallery emoticon added, please?
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Mods, can we have a peanut gallery emoticon added, please?
Thought we had to be one to post on here
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Lennon has signed according to Robbo on SEN.
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I as going to call him a money hungry SOB but since he has signed I've changed my mind.
He is a fine young lad that will be proud to wear the tiger guernsey for many a year! :snidegrin
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Confirmed 2 more years
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Any ideas how much??
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Sanity prevails.....
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Any ideas how much??
I can tell you it's not $600K :shh
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Any ideas how much??
I can tell you it's not $600K :shh
Well $600k for TWO years would be ok IMO
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They paid him out of the war chest lol
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Confirmed :thumbsup.
Richmond has re-signed emerging forward Ben Lennon for a further two seasons.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-10-15/lennon-resigns-with-the-tigers
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“Throughout this process, Ben always wanted to stay at Richmond, and we always wanted to retain him,” said Richmond’s General Manager of Football, Dan Richardson.
“There was no discussion about him being involved in any trades. Sometimes negotiations can become protracted, but pleasingly we were able to reach a position that both parties are comfortable with.
“We look forward to Ben developing into the player we believe he has the potential to become.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-15/tiger-forward-ben-lennon-off-the-market-after-signing-new-deal
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Thank stuff for that, need to hold onto blokes like this, very good skills.
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#justlikeLids
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#justlikeLids
Where is Usain Bolt…..I mean Bo? :shh
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off deleting his posting history
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hahaha will be heaps of edited posts on the Lennon thread
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Bring on the circus when it is time for the next one :clapping
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Fine that he will remain at Punt road.But just thinking ,is our inability to let go of quality to get even better ,part of the reason we remain a middle of the road club?
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:rollin well this was al very amusing...
Anyway killed 2 birds with 1 stone, kept a player with a lot of potential, now he has to put his head down and work his rs off.
And of course screwed Carlton, letes just make sure we dont give em overs for that lazy prick Yarran.
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Very nice. Well done to all and common sense prevails.
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big fish
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Played em on a break did ol mate Dan :shh
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Love the term " young gun "
15 games in 2 years ( 4 as sub )
Please !!
It's true .wants approx double the $$$$
Wayyyyyyy off the mark. Again.
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Love the term " young gun "
15 games in 2 years ( 4 as sub )
Please !!
It's true .wants approx double the $$$$
Wayyyyyyy off the mark. Again.
It's actually 98.9 % on the Mark
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Base salary starts with a 1 in front of it
Hasn't played enough games to trigger bonus payments
Now gets 2 year contract with middle 2 in front of it
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what the hell are you on about ?
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jack I must agree with comrade Stalin,please elaborate or off to the gulags for you
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I think jack is trying to say that Lennon got a pay raise, a big one in fact. About 98.9% more.
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Love the term " young gun "
15 games in 2 years ( 4 as sub )
Please !!
It's true .wants approx double the $$$$
Wayyyyyyy off the mark. Again.
It's actually 98.9 % on the Mark
^^^
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Time for the tiny tots to go around and pick up all their toys and out them back in the cot
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Time for the tiny tots to go around and pick up all their toys and out them back in the cot
That's what I'm sayin
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:xmassign :xmassign :xmassign :chuck :chuck
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about time they did something right.
Please come forward the ones who said for lennon to FO. Chuck by memory you were one. :thumbsdown
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about time they did something right.
Please come forward the ones who said for lennon to FO. Chuck by memory you were one. :thumbsdown
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Come on down mofos. You will be held to account >:(
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about time they did something right.
Please come forward the ones who said for lennon to FO. Chuck by memory you were one. :thumbsdown
Any kudos for those of us who said he never wanted to leave and said numerous times he'd stay ;D
:rollin
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about time they did something right.
Please come forward the ones who said for lennon to FO. Chuck by memory you were one. :thumbsdown
Any kudos for those of us who said he never wanted to leave and said numerous times he'd stay ;D
:rollin
Not really. Any fool can guess the toss of a coin. You lot want a trophy?
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about time they did something right.
Please come forward the ones who said for lennon to FO. Chuck by memory you were one. :thumbsdown
Hmmmmm pull the quote up
You may want to try to interpret the pee take though
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about time they did something right.
Please come forward the ones who said for lennon to FO. Chuck by memory you were one. :thumbsdown
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Come on down mofos. You will be held to account >:(
I was but to be honest I don't care either way. Kid can play but I've never liked him in any of the videos I've seen him in. His draft video, that little doco with him and his d-head mates on afl.com, and anything else I've seen him in. He can play though so I can cop it but I'll probably say for him to FO again once his next contract comes around ;D
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about time they did something right.
Please come forward the ones who said for lennon to FO. Chuck by memory you were one. :thumbsdown
Any kudos for those of us who said he never wanted to leave and said numerous times he'd stay ;D
:rollin
Not really. Any fool can guess the toss of a coin. You lot want a trophy?
Didn't toss a coin I can assure you ;)
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I think he will walk for nothing in PSD
See I reckon he will be staying ;D ;)
:clapping :clapping :clapping
:cheers
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Some not so happy Blues fans ;D.
Well done RFC and well done to Ben. You've made the right decision.
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I know he barracks for Carlton but honestly who the hell would want to actually play for them over RFC at the moment?
Hope they stay down there. Trade away all their talent this year, stuff up their drafting, and just implode...
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How's bloody Carlton getting in his ear, asking him to head over to them for free. Absolute scum that they are. And yet they want us to trade in good faith for Yarran, and won't facilitate the trade. :banghead :banghead :banghead
I was pretty confident he was always going to stay, but the longer these things drag on, the more skeptical you become. :rollin
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I'd almost stop trying to get a better pick for the Yarran trade and just tell them to stick it...
Only reason I'd keep trying is because I don't rate Astbury at all and if he nets us pick 21 for Yarran then I'd be happy to see him go...
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about time they did something right.
Please come forward the ones who said for lennon to FO. Chuck by memory you were one. :thumbsdown
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Come on down mofos. You will be held to account >:(
I was but to be honest I don't care either way. Kid can play but I've never liked him in any of the videos I've seen him in. His draft video, that little doco with him and his d-head mates on afl.com, and anything else I've seen him in. He can play though so I can cop it but I'll probably say for him to FO again once his next contract comes around ;D
:lol :shh
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Welcome to the RFC Ben Lennon....Oh wait...He was already here. :banghead ;D Waiting for any good trade news is sending me crazy!!
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Here's your Big Fish WAT :shh
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about time they did something right.
Please come forward the ones who said for lennon to FO. Chuck by memory you were one. :thumbsdown
Any kudos for those of us who said he never wanted to leave and said numerous times he'd stay ;D
:rollin
Not really. Any fool can guess the toss of a coin. You lot want a trophy?
:lol
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Here's your Big Fish WAT :shh
Yep....WE GOT HIM!!!!! :thumbsup
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There's onlllllllllllly twwwwwwwoooooo
Brett deledio s
Two Brett deledio a
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Lennon on ‘Roar Vision’ after re-signing ...
“I suppose the longer it dragged out, the more people started to speculate. But, in my mind, I was always going to stay at Richmond."
“I love the Club . . . get along really well with all the coaches and all the boys, in particular. So, really happy to be here, and can’t wait for the next two years.”
“I was pretty pleased, playing those last eight games . . . Obviously, it would have been good to play the last game, but it’s going to hold me in good stead and make me a bit more determined to take on next year and, hopefully, hold a spot,” he said.
“I’ve spoken to a few people and a lot of players have missed out on finals games before and come back and played in other finals games and even played in Grand Finals.
“So, it’s not going to make me any less of a player, it’s only going to make me a better player, I think.
“I’m just really looking forward to next year.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-10-16/lennon-true-to-the-tigers
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Here's your Big Fish WAT :shh
Yep....WE GOT HIM!!!!! :thumbsup
:lol oh well Could be worse :snidegrin
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Lennon on ‘Roar Vision’ after re-signing ...
“I suppose the longer it dragged out, the more people started to speculate. But, in my mind, I was always going to stay at Richmond."
“I love the Club . . . get along really well with all the coaches and all the boys, in particular. So, really happy to be here, and can’t wait for the next two years.”
“I was pretty pleased, playing those last eight games . . . Obviously, it would have been good to play the last game, but it’s going to hold me in good stead and make me a bit more determined to take on next year and, hopefully, hold a spot,” he said.
“I’ve spoken to a few people and a lot of players have missed out on finals games before and come back and played in other finals games and even played in Grand Finals.
“So, it’s not going to make me any less of a player, it’s only going to make me a better player, I think.
“I’m just really looking forward to next year.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-10-16/lennon-true-to-the-tigers
I know this is stating the bleeding obvious but it's sounds like he is filthy about missing the final. I haven't got a problem with that, it tells me the kid is hungry to play and probably thinks he deserved a game before Dimma pick two guys that hadn't even been playing let alone been playing well. I know he is still young and he doesn't get to make match committee decisions but it's only natural to be disappointed if your club seems to go back on what it stands for.
Anyway I hope he continues to do his boxing training over the off season as he did this year as it can only help get him and his body to the next level.
And if he got some extra coin throughout this period, well good on him and I hope he earns it plus some.
Could be anything imo.
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Lennon on ‘Roar Vision’ after re-signing ...
“I suppose the longer it dragged out, the more people started to speculate. But, in my mind, I was always going to stay at Richmond."
“I love the Club . . . get along really well with all the coaches and all the boys, in particular. So, really happy to be here, and can’t wait for the next two years.”
“I was pretty pleased, playing those last eight games . . . Obviously, it would have been good to play the last game, but it’s going to hold me in good stead and make me a bit more determined to take on next year and, hopefully, hold a spot,” he said.
“I’ve spoken to a few people and a lot of players have missed out on finals games before and come back and played in other finals games and even played in Grand Finals.
“So, it’s not going to make me any less of a player, it’s only going to make me a better player, I think.
“I’m just really looking forward to next year.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-10-16/lennon-true-to-the-tigers
I know this is stating the bleeding obvious but it's sounds like he is filthy about missing the final. I haven't got a problem with that, it tells me the kid is hungry to play and probably thinks he deserved a game before Dimma pick two guys that hadn't even been playing let alone been playing well. I know he is still young and he doesn't get to make match committee decisions but it's only natural to be disappointed if your club seems to go back on what it stands for.
Anyway I hope he continues to do his boxing training over the off season as he did this year as it can only help get him and his body to the next level.
And if he got some extra coin throughout this period, well good on him and I hope he earns it plus some.
Could be anything imo.
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In fact all I really took from that transcript was:
- mostly wanted to stay
- not happy/don't get on with Hardwick
- filthy AF about the final
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Heard Lennon say that Dimma is the dumbest pole smoker going around
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Heard Lennon say that Dimma is the dumbest pole smoker going around
Did you really Chucky?
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In fact all I really took from that transcript was:
- mostly wanted to stay
"But, in my mind, I was always going to stay at Richmond." Always doesn't equal mostly
- not happy/don't get on with Hardwick
"get along really well with all the coaches and all the boys" All doesn't equal Hardwick
- filthy AF about the final
"it would have been good to play the last game, but it’s going to hold me in good stead" Doesn't equal filthy
IMHO it sounded like a young man who had no intention of going anywhere, harboured disappointment but no grudges, and was only holding out trying to get some extra coin.
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Good post Big Tone.
I'm glad he's filthy. Showed more emotion missing a final than most of our finals team did all game. He'll be hungry than ever and win a norm Smith one day.
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Heard Lennon say that Dimma is the dumbest pole smoker going around
Did you really Chucky?
It's times like this that I am glad I am a little immature kid that needs to grow up because I can still get amusement from this stuff.
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Heard Lennon say that Dimma is the dumbest pole smoker going around
Did you really Chucky?
It's times like this that I am glad I am a little immature kid that needs to grow up because I can still get amusement from this stuff.
In case you didn't notice….
:sarcasm2
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I mean it, this is stuffing funny. I see the sarcasm loud and clear.
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“I’ve spoken to a few people and a lot of players have missed out on finals games before and come back and played in other finals games and even played in Grand Finals.
Yeh. Dimmer wasp on the ball with that one......
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:lol :lol Some of the backflips from people
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I think he's got Newmans spot in the seniors.
Let's hope he takes the opportunity afforded him and adds another dimension to the teams progression to finals success, he's definitely got the skills let's hope he has the want.
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Lennon on ‘Roar Vision’ after re-signing ...
“I suppose the longer it dragged out, the more people started to speculate. But, in my mind, I was always going to stay at Richmond."
“I love the Club . . . get along really well with all the coaches and all the boys, in particular. So, really happy to be here, and can’t wait for the next two years.”
“I was pretty pleased, playing those last eight games . . . Obviously, it would have been good to play the last game, but it’s going to hold me in good stead and make me a bit more determined to take on next year and, hopefully, hold a spot,” he said.
“I’ve spoken to a few people and a lot of players have missed out on finals games before and come back and played in other finals games and even played in Grand Finals.
“So, it’s not going to make me any less of a player, it’s only going to make me a better player, I think.
“I’m just really looking forward to next year.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-10-16/lennon-true-to-the-tigers
I know this is stating the bleeding obvious but it's sounds like he is filthy about missing the final. I haven't got a problem with that, it tells me the kid is hungry to play and probably thinks he deserved a game before Dimma pick two guys that hadn't even been playing let alone been playing well. I know he is still young and he doesn't get to make match committee decisions but it's only natural to be disappointed if your club seems to go back on what it stands for.
Anyway I hope he continues to do his boxing training over the off season as he did this year as it can only help get him and his body to the next level.
And if he got some extra coin throughout this period, well good on him and I hope he earns it plus some.
Could be anything imo.
Gunna admit parts of this kids game have left me scratching my head. yet what he does well leaves you wondering at just what we have. I suppose like most 2nd 3rd year players they do some things real well others they are poor in. WORK WORK AND WORK BECOME A WELL ROUNDED BETTER PLAYER. Dont give the no hopers in charge an excuse to not play ya.
H e was a worthy 1st round pick it would be a shame if he doesnt utilise his potential in all areas.
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The talk he rates himself much higher than Dimma thinks he should and therefore is way ahead of himself is a double edged sword.
The self belief should be of benefit but knuckling down and applying himself is hopefully something the coach is able to get out of him.
Apparently they don't get along, 2016 should be interesting ;D
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The very best footballers, not many of them were humble
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not sure about that.
plenty of top line footballers, or sportsman for that matter, are humble, but still have the required self belief to be at the top of their field.
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happy signed on.
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not sure about that.
plenty of top line footballers, or sportsman for that matter, are humble, but still have the required self belief to be at the top of their field.
carey
ablett
hird
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Judd
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not sure about that.
plenty of top line footballers, or sportsman for that matter, are humble, but still have the required self belief to be at the top of their field.
carey
ablett
hird
Tambling
Batchelor
Conca
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Morton
Taylor
McDonald
Collard
Jason Westhoff
Hislop
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JON. :shh :rollin
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Lounder
Meyer
Poyas
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Menengola
Proctor
Fiora
Plapp
D. Bourke
T. Roach
A. Raines
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Nason
Farmer
Hampson
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Webberly
Vardy
Hilton
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Fiora
Oakleigh-Nichols
Pettifer
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good work, addlepate possie
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Addlepate? Carlile?
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Hilton
Sylvester
Blumfield
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Renato Dintinosante :bow
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Hilton and Pettifer weren't bad overall
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Ben Nason.
The End.
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People realy need to read through the other posts first and only name the names that haven't been named yet :pullhair
Get your own material people......please!
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back on topic, i said most of the very best players were a bit arrogant or confident or strange like carey and ablett
not sure why you lot are posting richmond plodders
(https://onceuponasnarkyrecap.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/29cb6-camelot.jpg)
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Hughes
Thomson
Putt
Gourdis
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Ben Nason.
The End.
already said Nason you idiot
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Ben Nason.
The End.
already said Nason you idiot
Charming. I thought that would end the spud nominations though....
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Go on, report me...I dare ya. I double dog dare ya
The biggest spud has not been named. Brandon Ellis...
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Go on, report me...I dare ya. I double dog dare ya
The biggest spud has not been named. Brandon Ellis...
Why would I report you? Because you were rude? Hahahaha. Doesn't worry me sonny. I'll give you the chance to grow up a little and then I'll assess how you go. ;D
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Go on, report me...I dare ya. I double dog dare ya
The biggest spud has not been named. Brandon Ellis...
Why would I report you? Because you were rude? Hahahaha. Doesn't worry me sonny. I'll give you the chance to grow up a little and then I'll assess how you go. ;D
You gotta appreciate good people :snidegrin ;D
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I think people are been somewhat unfair on Brandon..He has his faults no doubt but hes purely an outside mid.He will be crap if the bozzos in the middle dont get the ball to him
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There is room for b Ellis IMO
If like to see Lennon a key part of te forward line structure
Not this in and out rubbish
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Has come back 4kg lighter and is keen to build a bigger tank. :shh
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Has come back 4kg lighter and is keen to build a bigger tank. :shh
I like the sound of that. Hopefully starts to take his football a lot more seriously.
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Has glandular fever
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Has glandular fever
Yes. He just posted this on his twitter account this morning. Not good for the young man.
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Everything's coming up Richmond....
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Has glandular fever
Ffs
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C'mon down Oleg!!!!
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He'll be like a new recruit once he recovers
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Pfft yeah in three years
Ask Carlton If thy still want him
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I had a bout of glandular fever a few years back, it only lasted 10 months, he should be ready to go for the finals ;D
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And they will play conca instead
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Stevie Johnson would look good in a tiger jumper right about now.
At the end of the day its niether here nor there. Lennon misses it means theres an opportunity for other young FWD players like Butler young Rioli or even fast track Moore and Markov..
With injury there is always an upside if you make the most of the situation.
And they will play conca instead
Na they will play Conca regardless, we saw that with him being selected for the E/F, but they wont play him as a fwd.
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Stevie Johnson would look good in a tiger jumper right about now.
At the end of the day its niether here nor there. Lennon misses it means theres an opportunity for other young FWD players like Butler young Rioli or even fast track Moore and Markov..
With injury there is always an upside if you make the most of the situation.
And they will play conca instead
Na they will play Conca regardless, we saw that with him being selected for the E/F, but they wont play him as a fwd.
Dimma said at the AGM last night that they are training with Callum Moore in the backline
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Stevie Johnson would look good in a tiger jumper right about now.
At the end of the day its niether here nor there. Lennon misses it means theres an opportunity for other young FWD players like Butler young Rioli or even fast track Moore and Markov..
With injury there is always an upside if you make the most of the situation.
And they will play conca instead
Na they will play Conca regardless, we saw that with him being selected for the E/F, but they wont play him as a fwd.
Dimma said at the AGM last night that they are training with Callum Moore in the backline
I know what they have said and i heard the reasons why they took him. Frankly i disagree. Has shown real ability as a forward. Yes i freakin know he has the attributes to play back most fwds do .
Cmon. WE HAVE THREE BLOKES ALL ABOVE 200CM WHO WE CALL IN NAME ONLY KPFS. We have a good kpf who is 195cm but the glaring absence is a Gunston type or a Darling type or a Crameri type or Stringer type do i need to go on.
Fair dinkum i would rather we tried to set up the following tall structure in the fwd line.I will put the little fellas in as well
HF Deledio - Riewoldt - Rioli
FF Butler - McKenzie - Moore
RUCK Maric - #### - ####
Int #### - #### - #### - Griffiths or Vickery, just one of them as the back up ruck come fwd.
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Moore's kicking for Goal is similar to Casboult's..... Griffiths is more reliable!
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Moore forward = Butcher Mk.II :shh
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Why do people want more forward
Chaplin is awful
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Only claw & WAT do....
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B1 and b2 ...
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:lol
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Richmond youngster Ben Lennon to miss pre-season camp due to glandular fever
Daniel Cherny
The Age
December 12, 2015
Richmond youngster Ben Lennon's pre-season has been put on hold as he recovers from a bout of glandular fever.
Lennon, 20, will miss the Tigers training camp next week at Palm Cove as a result of the illness.
The club's physical performance manager Peter Burge said he didn't expect Lennon to be overly affected by the ailment.
"While this is obviously a setback for Ben, it's important he concentrates on getting healthy, and we will support him through that process," Burge said on the club's website.
"Pleasingly, it's a mild case of the illness, and we don't anticipate he will be out of action for an extended period.
"We will monitor him closely, and make a decision on his availability to return to training when his health dictates."
Small forward Lennon has played 16 games since being drafted at pick 12 in the 2013 draft. He was linked with a move to Carlton during the trade period before re-signing with Richmond until the end of 2017.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-youngster-ben-lennon-to-miss-preseason-camp-due-to-glandular-fevel-20151211-gllfcq.html
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What's the likelihood he will be available for the pre season games.
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What's the likelihood he will be available for the pre season games.
Iffy. I've seen people be okay after about a month and some go 10 months but seeing as they say it's a mild case (if you believe them) he should be alright but that's just guessing.
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About 50% of those with glandular fever get an enlarged spleen. If Ben has one of those, he'll need to be off a lot longer as they are more prone to splenic rupture and are advised to avoid contact sports as a result.
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hope not :(
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What's the likelihood he will be available for the pre season games.
Zero, if he played for any other club 90% ok
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Pretty sure Carlton Football Club are behind this Glandular thing
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Moore forward = Butcher Mk.II :shh
Yet you want him to play in defence . May as well just kick the goals for the opposition.If his kicking is so poor why take him at all.
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Moore forward = Butcher Mk.II :shh
Yet you want him to play in defence . May as well just kick the goals for the opposition.If his kicking is so poor why take him at all.
Because -as I've stated before - his field kicking seems ok, it's his set shot kicking, as it is with Butcher, that is the main problem...he's not going to be lining up for goal too often down back now is he? Shouldn't be that stuffing hard to comprehend for such an astute football mind as you keep telling us you are....
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Moore forward = Butcher Mk.II :shh
Yet you want him to play in defence . May as well just kick the goals for the opposition.If his kicking is so poor why take him at all.
Because -as I've stated before - his field kicking seems ok, it's his set shot kicking, as it is with Butcher, that is the main problem...he's not going to be lining up for goal too often down back now is he? Shouldn't be that stuffing hard to comprehend for such an astute football mind as you keep telling us you are....
So your saying he can kick and kick under pressure. That being the case its logical to assume with more time to execute set shots, his goal kicking should get better.How much of this kid have you seen very little i would suggest and already a part of his game is written off.
Unlike Butcher The mechanics ball drop etc seem pretty sound to me. Just a matter of finding a good routine.
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Clearly he has a greater problem with kicking at goal than he does with his field kicking - probably between the ears..it's a whole different kettle of fish psycologically to field kicking and if you don't realise that then you're clearly not the footy guru you think you are..and I don't care what you say, we need more KPD's far more urgently than we need more KPF's.....but never mind all that santa - are you actually having a go at someone for writing off kids they haven't seen much of? You mean the same thing you do all the time and are infamous for? Conveniently forgotten all those grand declarations of dudness you make about our kids all the time despite admitting you never see our VFL games?.....and then when challenged about it claim that you're such a superior judge you only need to see 5 minutes to make up your mind....you're just making it up as you go......funny stuff....
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* cough * Rance * cough *
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Clearly he has a greater problem with kicking at goal than he does with his field kicking - probably between the ears..it's a whole different kettle of fish psycologically to field kicking and if you don't realise that then you're clearly not the footy guru you think you are..and I don't care what you say, we need more KPD's far more urgently than we need more KPF's.....but never mind all that santa - are you actually having a go at someone for writing off kids they haven't seen much of? You mean the same thing you do all the time and are infamous for? Conveniently forgotten all those grand declarations of dudness you make about our kids all the time despite admitting you never see our VFL games?.....and then when challenged about it claim that you're such a superior judge you only need to see 5 minutes to make up your mind....you're just making it up as you go......funny stuff....
LOL someone challenges your opinion and we get all hot under the collar. You are the sensitive type.
I dont claim to be anything most people on here do that for me. Just like your above post.
We need both Kpds and kpfs if you think otherwise then you arent the footy guru you think you are. We need kpfs just as urgently.
For someone as opinionated and supposedly knowledgable on footy as yourself i thought it would be easy to tell the difference between criticism of players and writing them off.It seems not.
I have nothing on most of the nuffies on here when it comes to writing players off in short shrift.
Your the one telling the story of writing off kids, name one i have written off inside of 3 or 4 yrs and called for their head.There must be heaps of them.
Finally you think he has a psycological problem when kicking for goal and there is nothing wrong with his action. Yet you dont want to think this can be fixed or improved upon for no other reason than you think we need kpds more than kpfs. hmm thats interesting.
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LOL someone challenges your opinion and we get all hot under the collar. You are the sensitive type.
:lol @ the irony
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Self-awareness is usually not the strong suit of a narcissist....
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clearly that seems to be the case
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Get a load of the Freud twins
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if you want my load, buy your ticket and line up like the rest of the guzzlers
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always the lowest common denominator with you
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not always
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Mostly
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yeah, more accurate
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yeah, more accurate
So about these tickets, how are they selling?
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lets just say its left me drained
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Send him off to the glue factory with Chaplin
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Send him off to the glue factory with Chaplin
:lol
Chaplin Glue®
Extra slow drying and not very sticky at all.
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Send him off to the glue factory with Chaplin
:lol
Chaplin Glue®
Extra slow drying and not very sticky at all.
Good for vertical surfaces though, it doesn't run. :snidegrin
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Lennon is back on the training track after his bout of glandular fever.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/414501-tlsgallerylandscape.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/gallery/2016-01-11/january-11-training-gallery#9be919e63be22510VgnVCM200000986bb70aRCRD
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Lennon is back on the training track after his bout of glandular fever.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/414501-tlsgallerylandscape.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/gallery/2016-01-11/january-11-training-gallery#9be919e63be22510VgnVCM200000986bb70aRCRD
Geez!!! Built like a tank!
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Lennon is back on the training track after his bout of glandular fever.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/414501-tlsgallerylandscape.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/gallery/2016-01-11/january-11-training-gallery#9be919e63be22510VgnVCM200000986bb70aRCRD
Geez!!! Built like a tank!
X2..... Geezus, really Trimmed down and cut up :thumbsup
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Richmond forward Ben Lennon has returned to the Club in the second week of 2016 as he continues to progress following a mild case of glandular fever.
Lennon, who missed the Palm Cove pre-season training camp in mid-December, looks set to resume training in the main group as soon as this Friday.
“He’s had some blood tests in the last couple of weeks, each week, and he’s gotten better each time,” said Richmond’s Physical Performance Manager, Peter Burge.
“He’s resumed training this week, albeit modified, and I’d anticipate he’ll be joining in with the main group towards the end of this week and set himself up for the NAB (Challenge), which is looking really positive.
“He’s come back really well from Christmas, he looks in good shape, and his running this week’s looked really good. He’s recovering really well, that’s the main thing.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-01-12/lennon-returns-to-the-fold
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Doesn't even look like the same bloke anymore.
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Can McBean and Menadue get glandular fever too please? Seems to work wonders.
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Can McBean and Menadue get glandular fever too please? Seems to work wonders.
:lol
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Remarkable :clapping
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RICHMOND young gun Ben Lennon is back in full training after a bout of glandular fever.
The 20-year-old was quarantined from his teammates once the virus was discovered in December and missed four weeks of the pre-season, but joined his teammates at Punt Road on Friday for a lengthy session that included 45 minutes of match simulation drills.
Club officials said Lennon returned from the break in tip-top shape and should be ready to play in next month’s NAB Challenge.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-has-stepped-up-training-ahead-of-nab-challenge-and-named-leadership-group/news-story/8303db50a2aac9866a684222aabdbb49
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Looks like he's growing into a man
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Lennon
Yarren
Rioli
Pretty good on paper
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Titch.... :shh
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Why ruin it?
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Would you not have titch in 22 doc ?
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Yes but not in the forward line with the other three, which is what I thought you were alluding to......
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Wing / HFF
Same Shyte
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Lennon on Crocmedia's Sportsday ...
AUDIO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-01-20/lennon-on-sportsday-january-20th
* The fever sort of popped up suddenly. I was two or three weeks into November’s training and I didn’t feel right and I told the Doc and they were quick to act on it. I’ve been pretty lucky in that sense that I didn’t miss too much training. I know a few guys missed three or four months, so I was pretty lucky to get away unscathed after three or four weeks.
* I got a lot of confidence from those eight H/A games that I played towards the end of the year and I’m just hoping that I can really play well from the start and play a lot of games this year and hopefully change games as well. I’m into my third year now so there’s no reason why I shouldn’t be able to kick a few more goals and start playing the role I think is expected of me.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-01-20/lennon-praises-medicos-help
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Lennon hungry to nail down spot in best 22
AFL.com.au
March 1, 2016
RICHMOND forward Ben Lennon hopes his good form against Hawthorn last Saturday will help him nail down a spot in the Tigers' best 22.
Picked at No.12 in the 2013 NAB AFL Draft, Lennon has always been on the fringe at the selection table.
Most notably, he was left out of Richmond's elimination final loss to North Melbourne last year, after having played eight consecutive games.
In his penultimate game of 2015, Lennon was nominated for the NAB Rising Star, despite going through a pre-season marred by hip surgery and glandular fever.
At the end of the year, Lennon was mooted as a possible trade chip to send to Carlton in return for Chris Yarran but Richmond was adamant he was a required player. In the end the Tigers won out, re-signing Lennon for another two years.
Lennon knew he had to make an impact against the Hawks in Beaconsfield, and he duly delivered.
The 20-year-old kicked three goals, with a pair of those coming inside a couple of minutes in the third quarter.
"I was pretty eager to get on. I didn't play much in the first half and knew I had to make an impact in the second half," Lennon said.
"I was pretty happy to get on the end of a few."
Lennon is aware nailing down a spot in a side that has made finals for three consecutive seasons will be difficult.
Having played 16 games in his two years, Lennon is hungry to add more.
"We're shaping up pretty well. It's going to be pretty hard for spots but I've just got to keep training hard and hopefully keep kicking goals, which would be nice."
Admittedly, it was an understrength Hawthorn outfit that the Tigers beat up on, with the final margin ballooning out to 71 points. Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Jack Gunston and Luke Breust were missing, among others.
Any win over the three-time reigning premiers is sweet though.
"It was good [to beat the Hawks]. The boys had a pretty good performance," he said.
"They had a few players out but we've just got to keep sticking to the process and we're really looking forward to round one [against Carlton]."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-01/lennon-hungry-to-nail-down-spot-in-best-22
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Gets himself into the right spot at the right time.. :thumbsup
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Gets himself into the right spot at the right time.. :thumbsup
But will Hardwick play him??
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Gets himself into the right spot at the right time.. :thumbsup
But will Hardwick play him??
I heard YES.
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Gets himself into the right spot at the right time.. :thumbsup
But will Hardwick play him??
I heard YES.
X2
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Gets himself into the right spot at the right time.. :thumbsup
But will Hardwick play him??
I heard YES.
X2
I heard KING CRIMSON.
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I only heard voices
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Lennon will play plenty of footy this year that's for sure.
I think Hardwick knows he made a mistake dropping him for the EF last year...
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I only heard voices
Claw's?
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Hmm, i thought it was Yahweh, but considering the things i was told to do..........
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Gets himself into the right spot at the right time.. :thumbsup
Natural forward
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Still only 20 years old.
He plays as a medium to tallish forward which means he his body still has a way to go to be able to compete 1 on 1 in the air with more seasoned opposition backman. Going along nicely IMO and from the outside looking in, seems to be doing most things right.
We used our first pick on him so let's give him a block of games for him to show us all why we drafted him where we did. And no better time to start than now with every game we play.
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Gets himself into the right spot at the right time.. :thumbsup
Natural forward
Agree but has enough attributes to go thru the middle in time.
Not as much X factor as S Johnson Geez i hate that term. But he reminds me a little bit of him much better in the air than Johnson.
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How the eff does he not get a game???
There has to be a non football related reason.
It started being dropped for the final which was astounding at the time.
And now he's still on the outer.
He should have left when he could.
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Suffering from Crappius Coachus aka Hardwickitus...usually a result of being too young & too talented and not being a recycled hack that needs games in order to justify Blair Hartley's position and his much vaunted Moneyball approach that he stole from a Hollywood movie about Baseball...
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Let's face it, it couldn't be that hard to be one of Hardwicks favourites, you don't even have to be good at footy (see Hampsud, Morris etc. ) A blind man and his dog can see that Lennon has some footy tricks but he mustn't be doing what Dumma likes to see during training etc. I suspect he's either lazy or just looks as though he's cruising at half pace. I also suspect his defensive efforts are not up to standards too.
As far as I could tell Newmans spot was his if he wanted it but if your a decent player but can't get a gig in this squad there's got to be something wrong with attitude.
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Yes - because Newman was such a hard working & accountable footballer who was known for his defensive efforts....
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Yes because Newman was such a hard working accountable footballer who was known for his defensive game....
But he trained the house down.
My point is there's got to be an attitude issue. There's no other logical reason why he can't get a game.
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I personally think that the selection of Morris is worse.
What possible explanation was there for making this decision?
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Was first on the track today and looked super keen
Reckon they made a decision during training to play Short instead
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Was first on the track today and looked super keen
Reckon they made a decision during training to play Short instead
Why do you think this was the case? Was short exceptional at drills & was Lennon spraying them all over the place?
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How the eff does he not get a game???
There has to be a non football related reason.
It started being dropped for the final which was astounding at the time.
And now he's still on the outer.
He should have left when he could.
You are massively overrating him, he is not ready.
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Rubbish. Looked a class above half the side each time he's played...."not ready" my arse...
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Not ready. Lol
Bit like that Elton and that Bean fella that A few has been saying for years ain't ready.
Lucky we have Conca, Hanmer time and Morris that are "ready"
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Yeah McBean's another who apparently doesn't run hard enough, lacks second efforts and "needs to work on his defensive game"....and of course we all know what gut-running, one percenters & tackling machines Vickery & Griffiths both are...
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You've gotta be in Hardwicks clique to get picked.
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Who is Dimma accountable to?
We have our no 1 draft pick, plays ok, we pooted our pants when he was not going to resign, he resigns for 2 years (??) now we dont play him, wtf is going on here?
It is obvious to all lennon should be playing and it is dimmas pride or rubbish getting in the way???
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Not the stuffwits on this forum that's for sure.
If you don't like things go buy a Melbourne membership or otherwise grin and take it like a man
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The defensive side of Lennons game is poor
Alright when we have ball
Ordinary when we haven't
Needs to improve in this area to get a game your will find
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The defensive side of Lennons game is poor
Alright when we have ball
Ordinary when we haven't
Needs to improve in this area to get a game your will find
Exactly, needs to improve on his defensive pressure before he is consistently playing AFL. Short and Rioli obviously offer more in that regard then Lennon at the moment.
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How much say does Hardwick have in match selections out of curiousity? Just as much as the other chumps that sit in the committee?
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The defensive side of Lennons game is poor
Alright when we have ball
Ordinary when we haven't
Needs to improve in this area to get a game your will find
I understand that this is the case (not defensive enough). He needs to provide as much defensive pressure as Gunston provides at the Hawks. They want him to play the same game as Jack Gunston. In his 3rd year of AFL footy and first at Hawthorn, Gunston played 19 games and had 29 tackles for the year (~1.5 tackles per game). He then increases his tackle count to around 2 tackles per game over the next 3 years.
Ben played 7 games for 4 tackles in 2014 and 9 games for 7 tackles last year.
So he just needs to lift that intensity a notch. We know he will never be a tackle machine but he just has to dial it up a little. I hope he does as he is a huge talent and I'm a big fan.
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Posted by: Chuck17
« on: Today at 08:53:56 AM » Insert Quote
Not the stuffwits on this forum that's for sure.
If you don't like things go buy a Melbourne membership or otherwise grin and take it like a man.
R u stuffn serious ??
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Posted by: Chuck17
« on: Today at 08:53:56 AM » Insert Quote
Not the stuffwits on this forum that's for sure.
If you don't like things go buy a Melbourne membership or otherwise grin and take it like a man.
R u stuffn serious ??
Yes I think it would be character building
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Look all I know is Lennon kicked 4 in a losing and poor team performance from what I gather last week (VFL Practice)
What did short do?
All well and good on the defencive stuff, but looks like the game may be changing a bit and we cant go wrong trying to up our scoring.
Is Short a goal kicker? Dimma better get up with the times pretty quick.
The Bullfrogs attack the ball like nothing else but they also take it on, dont think we are doing this as much as we should to keep up with the rest of the teams that may be going past us.
Our lack of recruiting (Some REAL talent) worries me also, time is NOW not later.
Hope Im am way off but Im really worried this year, hopefully the boys can put a bit of that doubt to rest tonight :gotigers :cheers
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Posted by: Chuck17
« on: Today at 08:53:56 AM » Insert Quote
Not the stuffwits on this forum that's for sure.
If you don't like things go buy a Melbourne membership or otherwise grin and take it like a man.
R u stuffn serious ??
Yes I think it would be character building
Oh yes, because if nothing, RIchmond are all about strong characters. Lmao
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Posted by: Chuck17
« on: Today at 08:53:56 AM » Insert Quote
Not the stuffwits on this forum that's for sure.
If you don't like things go buy a Melbourne membership or otherwise grin and take it like a man.
R u stuffn serious ??
Yes I think it would be character building
Oh yes, because if nothing, RIchmond are all about strong characters. Lmao
When it comes to strong characters, look no further than Bellis. He's the sort of guy who looks like he would get poot done
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pretty sure he has actually done that a few times during games
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pretty sure he has actually done that a few times during games
:lol
He's not alone. They are renowned for going the synchronized borrie
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Lol at use of the work borrie
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Lol at use of the work borrie
I love a good borrie at work
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A Brad Pitt, Rodney Hogg, Forrest Gump, Lucy Liu, Larry Bird, James Hird and now the old favourite borrie is back in the mix.
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This reminds me of Mitch Morton 2010
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My god :rollin havent heard Borrie for years
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This reminds me of Mitch Morton 2010
:capping
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My god :rollin havent heard Borrie for years
Keep it real lads :thumbsup
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A Brad Pitt, Rodney Hogg, Forrest Gump, Lucy Liu, Larry Bird, James Hird and now the old favourite borrie is back in the mix.
Don't forget a 'Bill Lawrie'
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Looking pretty stupid now innit
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So he needs to work on his "defensive game" eh Dimma?
Here's a tip Dimma - the best form of defence is not giving the opposition the ball - you know through things such as good disposal, decision making and marking ability, the stuff Lennon has in spades but most of your favourite players do not.
Oh but he doesn't apply enough "pressure" you say?
Well Dimma, here's another tip - the best form of pressure is scoreboard pressure - you know through converting your chances and kicking goals - another two things that Lennon can do but many of your heroes cannot.
It's really not that hard Damien....but I'm sure you'll just make another wife joke about that and laugh before dribbling on about KPI's and naming your same trusty old mates on the team sheet next week........
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So he needs to work on his "defensive game" eh Dimma?
Here's a tip Dimma - the best form of defence is not giving the opposition the ball - you know through things such as good disposal, decision making and marking ability, the stuff Lennon has in spades but most of your favourite players do not.
Oh but he doesn't apply enough "pressure" you say?
Well Dimma, here's another tip - the best form of pressure is scoreboard pressure - you know through converting your chances and kicking goals - another two things that Lennon can do but many of your heroes cannot.
It's really not that hard Damien....but I'm sure you'll just make another wife joke about that and laugh before dribbling on about KPI's and naming your same trusty old mates on the team sheet next week........
Well said.
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Yep we all know his defensive pressure isn't great. He should still be playing. Dimma steadfastly sticking to certain principles whilst overlooking other players glaring deficiencies will kill us.
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Well, Ben is finally in the team this week.
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Would be great to see him play every game for the rest of the season!
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Now he needs to deliver
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agree. Excellent chance for him to show his worth.
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Would be great to see him play every game for the rest of the season!
Not if he's ball watching or lazy.
Hope he pulls his finger out and takes the opportunity now.
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As long as the likes of Grigg, B.Ellis, Houli, Vickery and others are also dropped for doing the same shyte...
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Stability
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Lennon, 20, had 11 disposals, including three rebound-50s and took eight marks in what was his 17th appearance at the game’s highest level.
“Ben’s been a little bit up and down. When he gets the ball offensively, he’s certainly very creative," Hardwick said.
“We feel we need to get him into the side. We’re just probably shuffling him at the moment, trying to find out that best position.
“At AFL level, we’ve trialled him up forward at various stages and he’s gone okay. But I think we saw something with him down back yesterday (last Saturday).
“He took a couple of chop-out marks, used the ball incredibly well off the back half, and started a number of scoring chains.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-04-11/tiger-cubs-have-a-huge-upside
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“Ben’s been a little bit up and down. When he gets the ball offensively, he’s certainly very creative," Hardwick said.
“We feel we need to get him into the side. We’re just probably shuffling him at the moment, trying to find out that best position.
I find these comments a bit hard to comprehend to tell you the truth.
Why has Ben been up and down? Simply because YOU Damien won't play him consistently and when he was hitting some form last year leading into the finals you dropped him so WTF??
You are also shuffling him around and you can't understand why he has been "a little up and down", really, do you have a clue?
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-05-31/lennon-injury-update
Lennon to have surgery
richmondfc.com.au May 31, 2016 5:14 PM
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AFL 2016 Training - Richmond 260516
Ben Lennon at Richmond training last week.
Richmond forward Ben Lennon will have surgery this week on the AC joint in his right shoulder.
Lennon suffered the injury at training last week and will undergo minor clean-up surgery.
Richmond’s General Manager of Football, Dan Richardson, said the 20-year-old would be sidelined for 4-6 weeks.
“Ben is a talented young player who we rate very highly, and unfortunately hasn’t been able to get a lot of continuity in his football this season,” Richardson said.
“The Club will continue to support him with his rehab, he’ll overcome this setback and return to be an important player for us in the back end of the season.”
Hmmm....
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Very disappointed for the lad....
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Very bad news. Wish him a speedy recovery.
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Another wasted year in terms of development.
Not good for your first round pick from a couple weeks of years ago.
Add that to BEllis and Conca and we haven't really got much decent top end talent in of recent years.
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:help....unreal, poor bigger can't take a trick.
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Well if we make the finals he should be back in time to be overlooked...
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Would be funny if it wasn't so true^
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Dont know why they dont just put him on the LTIL, we all know you double whatever the initial estimate is.
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Dont know why they dont just put him on the LTIL, we all know you double whatever the initial estimate is.
If you put someone on the LTIL then they can't play for 8 weeks even if they recover faster than expected.
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Is yarren on it?
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What a disaster the decision to draft Lennon has been .
He should be a walk up start when not injured but he's still in no mans land.
Had a spot in the team late last year which was his to lose ....and he lost it .
It can't all be Dimmas fault.
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Cause the coach Is an idiot.
In the same manner how McBean lost his spot.
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I think Mcbean lost his spot because he got touched up by a bloke older than the arc playing his 600th game.
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You mean when he broke even against a bloke with 398 more matches of AFL experience?
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If you mean a 9 disposal game where he contributed one point to the scoreboard - Yes .
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Lol
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If you mean a 9 disposal game where he contributed one point to the scoreboard - Yes .
Yeah in 3 quarters against a full strength Essendon in his second match.....meanwhile Vickery has 2 possessions in a full match in his 102nd game v Fremantle's tanking WAFL side and Zac Dawson....
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If you mean a 9 disposal game where he contributed one point to the scoreboard - Yes .
Yeah in 3 quarters against a full strength Essendon in his second match.....meanwhile Vickery has 2 possessions in a full match in his 102nd game v Fremantle's tanking WAFL side and Zac Dawson....
The winner!
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Note how much opportunity essendon has given to Daniher, he has had some stinkers but they ate persevering, wish we could give McBean this much opportunity
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Precisely
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He was always going to struggle because he was injured pre season, and couldn't get to the required fitness levels. Pity he is just what the Tiges need when in full flight
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Note how much opportunity essendon has given to Daniher, he has had some stinkers but they ate persevering, wish we could give McBean this much opportunity
Possibly because they have no one else up forward
Also Daniher has had an extra year in the system as he was allowed to go earlier as Essendon were to take him FS
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LUCKLESS Tiger Ben Lennon will be sidelined for up to three weeks after suffering a minor ankle injury in the VFL on Sunday.
Lennon was on the cusp of a return to the senior team but will now be racing the clock to appear again at the top level this season after a horror run with injury.
His latest setback is not serious, with the Tigers expecting him to be sidelined for one to three weeks after rolling an ankle.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-07-25/luckless-lennon-set-for-stint-on-sidelines
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He has had no luck this year. Hope he can play one of the last matches of the season.
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Gee wiz this kid get's injured a bit
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Gee wiz this kid get's injured a bit
When fit - doesn't get a go a bit too
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:lol
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when fit, should be playing ...
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Gee wiz this kid get's injured a bit
When fit - doesn't get a go a bit too
Yep, fair summation. Probably sick of trying for no reward and thinks "I can get paid sitting on the sidelines" :shh
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Like his mate Christopher
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Played 18 games in three years .
Thats an average of 6 games a year .
Taken pick 12 ....great player development there.
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I say, wash the curtains, let the bloke have a run
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Played 18 games in three years .
Thats an average of 6 games a year .
Taken pick 12 ....great player development there.
PLUS dropped for the elim final, RFC's treat ment and development of him has been nothing short of FWOEFUL
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Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
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Yep. Deserved its own thread
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Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
Had plenty of more experienced teammates who weren't playing their first game back in the seniors who were just as shocking in the last quarter.
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Yep. Deserved its own thread
Certainly does
FMD
Hopeless last quarter
Worst mistakes I have seen in years
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Yep. Deserved its own thread
:clapping
Hey Jack did any tigers play last quarter? From where I was sitting I say no...
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Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
Had plenty of more experienced teammates who weren't playing their first game back in the seniors who were just as shocking in the last quarter.
Did you go ?
Handball to invisible teammates
Seriously
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Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
Had plenty of more experienced teammates who weren't playing their first game back in the seniors who were just as shocking in the last quarter.
Did you go ?
Handball to invisible teammates
Seriously
And theres the 'i went therefore i have magic observational powers' arguement again.....
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Yep. Deserved its own thread
:clapping
Hey Jack did any tigers play last quarter? From where I was sitting I say no...
Jack would understand if he went to the game
Also, merge thread
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Dumb thread. Has been stuffed around, injured, still young and played on Enright.
Its dumb expectations like this that cause soft anxious under bellies in our players. Same as the idiots bagging Rioli recently. Absolutely no idea.
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Dumb thread. Has been stuffed around, injured, still young and played on Enright.
Its dumb expectations like this that cause soft anxious under bellies in our players. Same as the idiots bagging Rioli recently. Absolutely no idea.
Who's been bagging Rioli? (Apart from Jackstar, wait... I'm starting to see a trend)
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Looked clearly underdone.
Very unfair to target him. He's had glandular fever, multiple concussions, shoulder reco and an ankle injury this year.
FFS, where were our senior group in the last quarter?
Very cheap shot Jack. Sure he made mistakes but to blame him for the loss is way too much.
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Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
I was there.
Last bloke I'd blame.
Funnily enough, I always thought your leaders stood up in situations like that
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Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
I was there.
Last bloke I'd blame.
Funnily enough, I always thought your leaders stood up in situations like that
No but when an AFL player completely stuffed things up
Seriously
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Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
I was there.
Last bloke I'd blame.
Funnily enough, I always thought your leaders stood up in situations like that
No but when an AFL player completely stuffed things up
Seriously
Funnily enough, behind the goals your seats are at least 70m away from that incident you are referring to. Any chance you didnt see it properly?
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Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
I was there.
Last bloke I'd blame.
Funnily enough, I always thought your leaders stood up in situations like that
No but when an AFL player completely stuffed things up
Seriously
Funny. I was there and saw 22 AFL players completely stuff things up!
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Looked clearly underdone.
Very unfair to target him. He's had glandular fever, multiple concussions, shoulder reco and an ankle injury this year.
FFS, where were our senior group in the last quarter?
Very cheap shot Jack. Sure he made mistakes but to blame him for the loss is way too much.
Spot on.
Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
I was there.
Last bloke I'd blame.
Funnily enough, I always thought your leaders stood up in situations like that
Yep a shocking last quarter by our leaders
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A better, more natural footballer than 95% of the list....can play the game and should play every week ...anyone who can't see that is a football illiterate halfwit.....
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His adjusting to the pace of the game so his going to make mistakes. Was far from worse on the ground.
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Looked clearly underdone.
Very unfair to target him. He's had glandular fever, multiple concussions, shoulder reco and an ankle injury this year.
FFS, where were our senior group in the last quarter?
Very cheap shot Jack. Sure he made mistakes but to blame him for the loss is way too much.
Spot on.
Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
I was there.
Last bloke I'd blame.
Funnily enough, I always thought your leaders stood up in situations like that
Yep a shocking last quarter by our leaders
Um... Alex Rance?
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A better, more natural footballer than 95% of the list....can play the game and should play every week ...anyone who can't see that is a football illiterate halfwit.....
This halfwit just got home and is watching the replay
Those with FOXTEL IQ watch 30 secs to go before quarter time
Please spare me !!!!!
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As has been the case the last 4 years, when the heats turned up our leaders go missing.
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Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
I was there.
Last bloke I'd blame.
Funnily enough, I always thought your leaders stood up in situations like that
No but when an AFL player completely stuffed things up
Seriously
Funny. I was there and saw 22 AFL players completely stuff things up!
21 - Dusty is a star :shh
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A better, more natural footballer than 95% of the list....can play the game and should play every week ...anyone who can't see that is a football illiterate halfwit.....
This halfwit just got home and is watching the replay
Those with FOXTEL IQ watch 30 secs to go before quarter time
Please spare me !!!!!
Seriously Jackstar, how can you target Lennon but excuse the exact same mistakes from Hampson, Hunt and Grigg? Spare me any hit outs, best we got, GPS results or anything else because that's just a cop out. Why do you expect a young player riddled with injury to produce the goods when some of the duds you support week in week out can't do any better?
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A better, more natural footballer than 95% of the list....can play the game and should play every week ...anyone who can't see that is a football illiterate halfwit.....
This halfwit just got home and is watching the replay
Those with FOXTEL IQ watch 30 secs to go before quarter time
Please spare me !!!!!
Seriously Jackstar, how can you target Lennon but excuse the exact same mistakes from Hampson, Hunt and Grigg? Spare me any hit outs, best we got, GPS results or anything else because that's just a cop out. Why do you expect a young player riddled with injury to produce the goods when some of the duds you support week in week out can't do any better?
Inb4 an answer saying some bull poo about attending games
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Seriously
Shocking last quarter
Can't play the game
I was there.
Last bloke I'd blame.
Funnily enough, I always thought your leaders stood up in situations like that
No but when an AFL player completely stuffed things up
Seriously
Funny. I was there and saw 20 AFL players completely stuff things up!
21 - Dusty is a star :shh
EFA (Dusty and Rance excluded). :shh
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Lennons game today is vying with Hunts game versus the Pies as the worst performance by a Richmond player all season. He turned it over every time he went near it
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Lennons game today is vying with Hunts game versus the Pies as the worst performance by a Richmond player all season. He turned it over every time he went near it
Direct goal assist for Vickerys first goal. Pretty much the only thing keeping him ahead of Hunt's game
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Shocking free kick given away at 9.30 mark in 3rd Q
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Lennons game today is vying with Hunts game versus the Pies as the worst performance by a Richmond player all season. He turned it over every time he went near it
Correct
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Um... Alex Rance?
Only leader in the last who led
We were badly let down by senior blokes in the last bar Rance & Dusty
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Seriously Jackstar, how can you target Lennon but excuse the exact same mistakes from Hampson, Hunt and Grigg? Spare me any hit outs, best we got, GPS results or anything else because that's just a cop out. Why do you expect a young player riddled with injury to produce the goods when some of the duds you support week in week out can't do any better?
Excellent post
Jack, you want to pot Lennon, then pot the rest of them who made similar errors, starting with your poster boy Hammer who until his hideous ball watching in the last qtr had been good. But that mistake by your poster boy was pathetic.
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Ben must've given Jack the brush off at some point....
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Let's not sugar coat it as it was a very poor performance by Lennon today. No excuses as I think he's better than that but I'm yet to be convinced of this.
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Just wanted to confirm my earloer thoughts that this was threadworthy topic.
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Needs time to adjust so he must play the last 2 games. Lennon has talent which is much needed if we are ever going to improve. Guys who can hit targets are like gold it today's footy.
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Seriously Jackstar, how can you target Lennon but excuse the exact same mistakes from Hampson, Hunt and Grigg? Spare me any hit outs, best we got, GPS results or anything else because that's just a cop out. Why do you expect a young player riddled with injury to produce the goods when some of the duds you support week in week out can't do any better?
Excellent post
Jack, you want to pot Lennon, then pot the rest of them who made similar errors, starting with your poster boy Hammer who until his hideous ball watching in the last qtr had been good. But that mistake by your poster boy was pathetic.
Well our thoughts on the game differ
Hammer was given our 2nd best by some media outlets
10 possessions
All contested
Lennon was terrible when it mattered
the two errors when he hand balled I think over Rioli head was under 13 stuff
Anyway , that's my opinion
It is a forum after all
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Just wanted to confirm my earloer thoughts that this was threadworthy topic.
Looked stoned
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I was really disappointed with his game yesterday. Trotted around for a lot of the game, wasn't willing to work to contests or work hard in contests. He's got talent to burn but I can understand why they haven't been playing him in the ones - doesn't look like he cares.
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Just wanted to confirm my earloer thoughts that this was threadworthy topic.
Looked stoned
If only. Unfortunately a gen y attitude and a lack of work ethic is the problem. Another dud early pick from Hackson.
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Just wanted to confirm my earloer thoughts that this was threadworthy topic.
Looked stoned
If only. Unfortunately a gen y attitude and a lack of work ethic is the problem. Another dud early pick from Hackson.
Doesn't stop rioli or Markov looking like they got some idea
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Just wanted to confirm my earloer thoughts that this was threadworthy topic.
Looked stoned
If only. Unfortunately a gen y attitude and a lack of work ethic is the problem. Another dud early pick from Hackson.
Doesn't stop rioli or Markov looking like they got some idea
Good point.
Clearly the attitude of the two U mentioned shows how bad the criteria for choosing blokes in the past was
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Just wanted to confirm my earloer thoughts that this was threadworthy topic.
Looked stoned
If only. Unfortunately a gen y attitude and a lack of work ethic is the problem. Another dud early pick from Hackson.
Doesn't stop rioli or Markov looking like they got some idea
Yeh they don't have the same figjam attitude luckily
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lol, lennon must have not responded to someones suck job, id be guessing.
In saying that, i was surprised at how underwhelming he was, and it curious how people will give some players the benefit of doubt in adjusting to the pace of game while write others off straight away, based solely on their percieved natural ability.
All the natural ability in the world is pointless if the player doesn't utilise it to his utmost, and there were times yesterday i was understanding why maybe he wasn't getting a game when people were screeching for him to do so.
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Weren't we saying similar things about Rance some years ago.
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Clearly not match fit. Worth another year
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Just wanted to confirm my earloer thoughts that this was threadworthy topic.
At the very least should be merged with the original Ben Lennon thread
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Let's not sugar coat it as it was a very poor performance by Lennon today. No excuses as I think he's better than that but I'm yet to be convinced of this.
Thank you
Given the opportunity and failed
Once again
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I was really disappointed with his game yesterday. Trotted around for a lot of the game, wasn't willing to work to contests or work hard in contests. He's got talent to burn but I can understand why they haven't been playing him in the ones - doesn't look like he cares.
VFL next week
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Please trade.
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Get serious.
This is a club who cannot get decent players to come to it, so why the stuff would u expect certain ones on he list to want to perform for it.
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What are you all on, this guy has been stuffed around relentlessly, had injury issues and half you muppets are bagging the poo out of him.
Really take a good long look at yourselves.
one minute you say play the kids, then you say get rid of them, seriously you must be on psychotropic drugs.
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What are you all on, this guy has been stuffed around relentlessly, had injury issues and half you muppets are bagging the poo out of him.
Really take a good long look at yourselves.
one minute you say play the kids, then you say get rid of them, seriously you must be on psychotropic drugs.
:clapping
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What are you all on, this guy has been stuffed around relentlessly, had injury issues and half you muppets are bagging the poo out of him.
Really take a good long look at yourselves.
one minute you say play the kids, then you say get rid of them, seriously you must be on psychotropic drugs.
:clapping
:clapping
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Seriously Jackstar, how can you target Lennon but excuse the exact same mistakes from Hampson, Hunt and Grigg? Spare me any hit outs, best we got, GPS results or anything else because that's just a cop out. Why do you expect a young player riddled with injury to produce the goods when some of the duds you support week in week out can't do any better?
Excellent post
Jack, you want to pot Lennon, then pot the rest of them who made similar errors, starting with your poster boy Hammer who until his hideous ball watching in the last qtr had been good. But that mistake by your poster boy was pathetic.
Well our thoughts on the game differ
Hammer was given our 2nd best by some media outlets
10 possessions
All contested
Lennon was terrible when it mattered
the two errors when he hand balled I think over Rioli head was under 13 stuff
Anyway , that's my opinion
It is a forum after all
I wasn't referring to Hampsons game today but rather overall, because even when he's been poor you backed him in. But what about the other two?
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What are you all on, this guy has been stuffed around relentlessly, had injury issues and half you muppets are bagging the poo out of him.
Really take a good long look at yourselves.
one minute you say play the kids, then you say get rid of them, seriously you must be on psychotropic drugs.
:clapping
:clapping
:clapping
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Concur.
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What are you all on, this guy has been stuffed around relentlessly, had injury issues and half you muppets are bagging the poo out of him.
Really take a good long look at yourselves.
one minute you say play the kids, then you say get rid of them, seriously you must be on psychotropic drugs.
:clapping
:clapping
The epitome of accepting mediocrity. He was very poor yesterday and deserves a whack.
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You can still be in support of playing the kids and have an opinion on their performances. They're not mutually exclusive.
I would be trading Lennon.
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Seriously Jackstar, how can you target Lennon but excuse the exact same mistakes from Hampson, Hunt and Grigg? Spare me any hit outs, best we got, GPS results or anything else because that's just a cop out. Why do you expect a young player riddled with injury to produce the goods when some of the duds you support week in week out can't do any better?
Excellent post
Jack, you want to pot Lennon, then pot the rest of them who made similar errors, starting with your poster boy Hammer who until his hideous ball watching in the last qtr had been good. But that mistake by your poster boy was pathetic.
Well our thoughts on the game differ
Hammer was given our 2nd best by some media outlets
10 possessions
All contested
Lennon was terrible when it mattered
the two errors when he hand balled I think over Rioli head was under 13 stuff
Anyway , that's my opinion
It is a forum after all
I wasn't referring to Hampsons game today but rather overall, because even when he's been poor you backed him in. But what about the other two?
But even if we were talking about that game it is the bare minimum you should expect from your number 1 ruckman. Actually most ruckman in the AFL would see that game as a below average performance if that was them.
Because we expect on average a six possession game from Hampson, just because he got 10'does that make his game good?
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Truth is, people's anger is from the fact we have nothing.
We develop nothing.
We recruit nothing.
We go nowhere.
There's no point.
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You guys just don't get it.
It was his first game back after only playing one in the two's. He clearly lacked touch and seemed lost with the pace of the game. He as experienced a terrible run of injuries. It didn't surprise me how he performed at all. Yet he still had the class to kick a vital goal when he had the opportunity. I would continue to show faith in him. He was a champion school boy and you don't lose ability, just confidence.
Yes, he was poor, but he'll get better fast and surpass many of the duds we continue to pick. If you don't understand that then you have no idea of what you have to do to help encourage young players. :whistle
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You guys just don't get it.
It was his first game back after only playing one in the two's. He clearly lacked touch and seemed lost with the pace of the game. He as experienced a terrible run of injuries. It didn't surprise me how he performed at all. Yet he still had the class to kick a vital goal when he had the opportunity. I would continue to show faith in him. He was a champion school boy and you don't lose ability, just confidence.
Yes, he was poor, but he'll get better fast and surpass many of the duds we continue to pick. If you don't understand that then you have no idea of what you have to do to help encourage young players. :whistle
I agree with a lot of what you have to say and I certainly haven't given up on him.
What I found most disappointing with his performance yesterday was his intensity and desire. I take your points; its unfair on him to expect a performance on par with some of the other younger guys but I honestly felt he didn't want to be out there and didn't want to compete. I hope he gets the last two games of the year and he can get some confidence under the belt - but his attitude really showed me why he hasn't been getting the starts we all felt he should have been getting.
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Lennon was good. Better than Edwards who has been there forever.
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Lennon was good. Better than Edwards who has been there forever.
Sorry but as a Lennon lover even I think that is ludicrous
Lennon was poor, very poor
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I am still staggered that Lennon got a two year contract at the end of last year
No defensive skills at all
Club very critical of this
Please
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I am still staggered that Lennon got a two year contract at the end of last year
No defensive skills at all
Club very critical of this
Please
Laid one of the few good tackles in our forward 50m which was rewarded. Then kicked beautifully. :shh
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I am still staggered that Lennon got a two year contract at the end of last year
No defensive skills at all
Club very critical of this
Please
Apart from Rance I am quite critical of the whole sides lack of defensive skills
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I am still staggered that Lennon got a two year contract at the end of last year
No defensive skills at all
Club very critical of this
Please
Apart from Rance I am quite critical of the whole sides lack of defensive skills
:clapping
Lowest tackling numbers in the AFL for years.
Then some blame the juniors. :thumbsdown
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....but our corralling is elite.... :shh
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I am still staggered that Lennon got a two year contract at the end of last year
No defensive skills at all
Club very critical of this
Please
I'm staggered you know how to breath
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I am still staggered that Lennon got a two year contract at the end of last year
No defensive skills at all
Club very critical of this
Please
I'm staggered you know how to breath
Well smarty
Apart from injury
That's why he struggles to get a game
As all the pre match speeches from the coaching staff tell us
You should go and listen
You might learn something
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Yes we could all learn from the much-vaunted & highly successful Richmond coaching staff....
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Yes we could all learn from the much-vaunted & highly successful Richmond coaching staff....
You know something
They would have more ability and knowledge in there little finger than most on here
Fact
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Yes....as results clearly demonstrate...
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It's like the people on here screaming to play Jack at full forward out of the goal square
The game isn't played like that anymore
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Yeah goals don't matter.
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"They know more about footy than people on an internet forum"....surely there can be no higher praise for a coach in AFL circles....truly a ringing endorsement...
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Damien goes to games
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...trains the boys to train well....
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It's like the people on here screaming to play Jack at full forward out of the goal square
The game isn't played like that anymore
Josh Kennedy says hi
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It's like the people on here screaming to play Jack at full forward out of the goal square
The game isn't played like that anymore
Josh Kennedy says hi
Hi Josh ::)
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Do not drop Lennon.
Drop Grigg, Drummond, B Ellis.
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Lmao.
Th club always pick kids and stuff them up.
Go Fullas!!
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Yes we could all learn from the much-vaunted & highly successful Richmond coaching staff....
You know something
They would have more ability and knowledge in there little finger than most on here
Fact
Thats because we don't know what they can do with their little finger :lol
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Yes we could all learn from the much-vaunted & highly successful Richmond coaching staff....
You know something
They would have more ability and knowledge in there little finger than most on here
Fact
The same idiots that think Houli, Grigg, Hampson and Hunt will win you finals game.
Actually these are the same guys you rate.
Hilarious!
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Who would have thunk
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Bye Ben :cheers
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Bye Ben :cheers
Yep.......trade out for a late 1st round which could be used for DP :clapping
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Bye Ben :cheers
Yep.......trade out for a late 1st round which could be used for DP :clapping
sold
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Still contracted till Oct 2017
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Bye Ben :cheers
Who needs genuine talent when we still have Houli to shyte himself, Hunt to turn it over, Hamspud to provide silver service to the opposing midfield and fall over & Grigg to go missing when it matters?:gotigers
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Seriously do you watch the game
Houli been terrific last 2 weeks
Lennon can't play , no defensive side of his game
One tackle last week doesn't mean he is defensively minded
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Yes unlike you, I actually watch the football when I'm at the ground instead of posting dribble on OER from my phone....that's how, also unlike you, I can generally tell a hack apart from a good player...
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Yes unlike you, I actually watch the football when I'm at the ground instead of posting dribble on OER from my phone....that's how, also unlike you, I can generally tell a hack apart from a good player...
Yep Lennon is hack
Houli is a gun
And what's wrong with posting on OER from my IPhone
It's called technology
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Blojes been injured nearly all year and as a result isn't up to afl level yet. Give him a pre season then give an opinion
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Yes unlike you, I actually watch the football when I'm at the ground instead of posting dribble on OER from my phone....that's how, also unlike you, I can generally tell a hack apart from a good player...
Yep Lennon is hack
Houli is a gun
And what's wrong with posting on OER from my IPhone
It's called technology
Houli is a gun lol.
Have a lie down Jack.
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This club is more than happy to spruik when it gives a game to a 'find' from late in the draft or from the rookie draft.
Yet it is silent on the matter of when a first round pick isn't working out such as Lennon, Vickery or Conca and I am starting to get a bit sick of this double standard.
I feel like I am owed an explanation on what is going on with Lennon. A cycle has developed where he gets injured, unlike others he has to earn his way back into the side, then when he does, he only gets one game. Why?
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Bye Ben :cheers
Yep.......trade out for a late 1st round which could be used for DP :clapping
I feel like this club is always DP'ing me
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This club is more than happy to spruik when it gives a game to a 'find' from late in the draft or from the rookie draft.
Yet it is silent on the matter of when a first round pick isn't working out such as Lennon, Vickery or Conca and I am starting to get a bit sick of this double standard.
I feel like I am owed an explanation on what is going on with Lennon. A cycle has developed where he gets injured, unlike others he has to earn his way back into the side, then when he does, he only gets one game. Why?
Feel the same. Well said. :clapping
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wtf is wrong with this lemon, he was supposed to be a goer and has turned into a petulant sh !+. Someone nailed it, the new Plapp
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Watched the last quarter replay again today
No wonder he was dropped
Worst quarter of football I have ever seen
If he is going to dish that rubbish up
, might as well go and play surburban footy seriously
It was crap !
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Watched the last quarter replay again today
No wonder he was dropped
Worst quarter of football I have ever seen
If he is going to dish that rubbish up
, might as well go and play surburban footy seriously
It was crap !
Do you have Lennon nightmares?
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wtf is wrong with this lemon, he was supposed to be a goer and has turned into a petulant sh !+. Someone nailed it, the new Plapp
I still have a RFC stubby holder with Plapp's number on the back.
:cheers
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Watched the last quarter replay again today
No wonder he was dropped
Worst quarter of football I have ever seen
If he is going to dish that rubbish up
, might as well go and play surburban footy seriously
It was crap !
Do you have Lennon nightmares?
Watch the replay four times and you will be permanently scared for life
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Watched the last quarter replay again today
No wonder he was dropped
Worst quarter of football I have ever seen
If he is going to dish that rubbish up
, might as well go and play surburban footy seriously
It was crap !
Do you have Lennon nightmares?
Watch the replay four times and you will be permanently scared for life
Hunt and Hampson got in first with the scars, now I feel no pain
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wtf is wrong with this lemon, he was supposed to be a goer and has turned into a petulant sh !+. Someone nailed it, the new Plapp
I still have a RFC stubby holder with Plapp's number on the back.
:cheers
So what was your verdict on Plapp, training application or just couldn't make the transition
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considering the tigers did everything to keep the boy at the club it makes yah wonder what is going on yep he looked slow last week but the ones as we all no massive step up from vfl standards I would have kept him in for the end of the year,,,
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He has been injured so he is missing some match fitness
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He has been injured so he is missing some match fitness
yep that's why I reckon they should have played the boy he shows talent and his better then a hunt, morris come on
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well that is what the vfl is for though, so you don't end up standing around with a blown head gasket in the fourth.
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Watched the last quarter replay again today
No wonder he was dropped
Worst quarter of football I have ever seen
If he is going to dish that rubbish up
, might as well go and play surburban footy seriously
It was crap !
Do you have Lennon nightmares?
Watch the replay four times and you will be permanently scared for life
Gotta say, the first two times i just used measured common sense, thinking he has been injured and deprived of development and senior game time.
He didnt look any worse the third or fourth time.
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wtf is wrong with this lemon, he was supposed to be a goer and has turned into a petulant sh !+. Someone nailed it, the new Plapp
I still have a RFC stubby holder with Plapp's number on the back.
:cheers
So what was your verdict on Plapp, training application or just couldn't make the transition
The latter sadly
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Hope Lennon pulls his finger out then, he has the tools
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Lennon defensive game criticised.
How many tackles did Houli have today.
0.
#protectedspecies
#pray4houli
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Bacha + 7 years older ...
#leadership
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Lennon defensive game criticised.
How many tackles did Houli have today.
0.
#protectedspecies
#pray4houli
In fairness to Houli when he had pole position to spoil a Saints forward 10 meters out from goal he somehow managed to land absolutely no physical contact on him, it was quite an impressive display of avoiding contact despite being in the best position
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He's just getting ready for Masters footy.
Its quite a skill to spoil without crashing into your opponent and it will take time for him to get it right.
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https://twitter.com/SENNews/status/769008985043193857
Keep the old duds, turf the young talent..."The Richmond Way".... :clapping :gotigers
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Lennon defensive game criticised.
How many tackles did Houli have today.
0.
#protectedspecies
#pray4houli
In fairness to Houli when he had pole position to spoil a Saints forward 10 meters out from goal he somehow managed to land absolutely no physical contact on him, it was quite an impressive display of avoiding contact despite being in the best position
Haram.
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https://twitter.com/SENNews/status/769008985043193857
Keep the old duds, turf the young talent..."The Richmond Way".... :clapping :gotigers
I won't believe it until I read about it on big footy.
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Lennon defensive game criticised.
How many tackles did Houli have today.
0.
#protectedspecies
#pray4houli
In fairness to Houli when he had pole position to spoil a Saints forward 10 meters out from goal he somehow managed to land absolutely no physical contact on him, it was quite an impressive display of avoiding contact despite being in the best position
Houli is a black belt in the troy Chaplin art I spoiling academy.
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sund want a player for Prestia instead of a pick - id do that lennon for prestia with a swap of some picks to fill the gaps
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laughing at those who reckon we would of got something from carlton from him, they wanted him for Yarran.
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After watching his 8 game softest possessions in the VFL last week
He has no value what so ever
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https://twitter.com/SENNews/status/769008985043193857
Keep the old duds, turf the young talent..."The Richmond Way".... :clapping :gotigers
While Brett Anderson is one of the better footy journos, this is still just another guess. Lennon is contracted so he can only leave via a trade.
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After watching his 8 game softest possessions in the VFL last week
He has no value what so ever
After reading your clueless dribble over the last few months.
You have no value what so ever.
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To be fair he was shockingly bad
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Yes, let's trade the kid on the back of two or three poor games so we can keep Shaun "The Great White Pointer" Grigg, Sideways Ellis & Panic Stations Houli on the back of 150+ shytehouse performances between them. :gotigers
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If he has cracked it like. Teenage girl what can be done ?
Looked 5 mins away from saying I feel depressed and walking away
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after watching him in that javelin throwing contest, I can honestly say I would back a teenage girl to be able to throw it further.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-08-20/ritj-javelin
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If he has cracked it like. Teenage girl what can be done ?
Sacking his clueless coach would be a good start....but I suspect you already knew that Bents, me old China...
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Lol at the hypocrisy by some of the Lennon apologists.
He's gone.
In: Prestia, 3rd Rounder GC
Out: Lennon, Vickery Compo
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Lol at the hypocrisy by some of the Lennon apologists.
He's gone.
In: Prestia, 3rd Rounder GC
Out: Lennon, Vickery Compo
Insert B Ellis and I would be much happier.
Lennon has had glandular fever, concussion x 3, shoulder surgery and ankle ligament injury this year. Can hardly judge a youngster with that background to a year......
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Another pathetic example of our development department.
Begs question to list Manager and football department of where we are at as a list?
Trading in Prestia for Lennon suggests we are topping up. Bringing in Cloke and moving on Vickery we are topping up. We are losing potential for games played.
Sure we are greater chance of playing finals next year. Yippie. Any danger of focusing on top 4 and premiership. Mediocre rubbish again.
Keeping Lennon and developing a 1st round pick half forward is exactly what we need to fill a massive hole on our list. Yet we gift games to Moore, Lambert, Townsend, Hunt etc. How on earth will that improve us by playing those crabs? We gift a game to Chol this week, which I'm all for but why not keep Lennon?
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Another pathetic example of our development department.
Begs question to list Manager and football department of where we are at as a list?
Trading in Prestia for Lennon suggests we are topping up. Bringing in Cloke and moving on Vickery we are topping up. We are losing potential for games played.
Sure we are greater chance of playing finals next year. Yippie. Any danger of focusing on top 4 and premiership. Mediocre rubbish again.
Keeping Lennon and developing a 1st round pick half forward is exactly what we need to fill a massive hole on our list. Yet we gift games to Moore, Lambert, Townsend, Hunt etc. How on earth will that improve us by playing those crabs? We gift a game to Chol this week, which I'm all for but why not keep Lennon?
Lennon is Deledio's natural successor.....only thing Deledio has over him is pace but other than that he has all the same attributes...marking, kicking, courage, smarts......people also forget Deledio has often been -rightly IMO- criticised throughout his career for going missing in games or for large parts of games and not just when he was a kid....yet he's lauded -again rightly so- as a club legend ....meanwhile halfwits want 21 year-old Lennon out the door for a couple of shockers after missing half the year with injury and a pre-season with illness....
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I'd keep Lennon for the above reasons. However I get the feeling he wants out as opposed to is wanting him out.
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Well, as everyone has conveniently ignored and was pointed out, he has had a horror run with significant injuries...limp javelin throwing aside
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Pathetic footballer full of excuses
Watching him yesterday at Punt Rd
Takes easiest option
Doesn't work hard enough
End of Story
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Pathetic footballer full of excuses
Watching him yesterday at Punt Rd
Takes easiest option
Doesn't work hard enough
End of Story
This was evident in his draft year.
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Pathetic footballer full of excuses
Watching him yesterday at Punt Rd
Takes easiest option
Doesn't work hard enough
End of Story
You seem like a good passionate Tiger Jack but HTF can you stick up for players like Hunt, Grigg, Houli and Hampson but want to rag on kids like Lennon? Who has had some injury problems. I'm not always that compassionate about players always injuried (Griff and Astbury) because I think they are weak and don't have AFL standard bodies (and minds) but sometimes kids in their first few years need the benefit of the doubt.
Anyway I'd be happy to see him traded if it meant we don't lose pick 6 but not because I don't think Lennon can still make it as an decent AFL player. Sometimes to get something decent you have to give something decent.
But what I know needs to happen is CHANGE!
I'd start delisting today. Even paying players out if I had too.
We need at least 4 or 5 picks inside the first 30 IMO and to do that we need to FO some of the guys who continue to let this once great club down.
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Another pathetic example of our development department.
Begs question to list Manager and football department of where we are at as a list?
Trading in Prestia for Lennon suggests we are topping up. Bringing in Cloke and moving on Vickery we are topping up. We are losing potential for games played.
Sure we are greater chance of playing finals next year. Yippie. Any danger of focusing on top 4 and premiership. Mediocre rubbish again.
Keeping Lennon and developing a 1st round pick half forward is exactly what we need to fill a massive hole on our list. Yet we gift games to Moore, Lambert, Townsend, Hunt etc. How on earth will that improve us by playing those crabs? We gift a game to Chol this week, which I'm all for but why not keep Lennon?
Lennon is Deledio's natural successor.....only thing Deledio has over him is pace but other than that he has all the same attributes...marking, kicking, courage, smarts......people also forget Deledio has often been -rightly IMO- criticised throughout his career for going missing in games or for large parts of games and not just when he was a kid....yet he's lauded -again rightly so- as a club legend ....meanwhile halfwits want 21 year-old Lennon out the door for a couple of shockers after missing half the year with injury and a pre-season with illness....
Look the players that everyone is talking about are very very good players, and we don't have many of them. So they'll be staying.
Quote Hardwick!
In other words the youngsters who haven't been developed because the coaching and developed can't do their job, they aren't good players. We keep our oldies, and move our young's on.
I love what north have done, needless to say like it or not, they have showed they aren't a charity and are a football club.
I'm not saying get rid of lids, but handing out 2 years extensions for some is a joke!
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Pathetic footballer full of excuses
Watching him yesterday at Punt Rd
Takes easiest option
Doesn't work hard enough
End of Story
You seem like a good passionate Tiger Jack but HTF can you stick up for players like Hunt, Grigg, Houli and Hampson but want to rag on kids like Lennon? Who has had some injury problems. I'm not always that compassionate about players always injuried (Griff and Astbury) because I think they are weak and don't have AFL standard bodies (and minds) but sometimes kids in their first few years need the benefit of the doubt.
Anyway I'd be happy to see him traded if it meant we don't lose pick 6 but not because I don't think Lennon can still make it as an decent AFL player. Sometimes to get something decent you have to give something decent.
But what I know needs to happen is CHANGE!
I'd start delisting today. Even paying players out if I had too.
We need at least 4 or 5 picks inside the first 30 IMO and to do that we need to FO some of the guys who continue to let this once great club down.
You miss the point , Houli Hunt and Grigg can actually play
We need to clean out players ranked 22-32 to the list and replace them with players than can push into the starting 22
Pointless keeping players who are ranked 22-32 on the list
Lennon is a shocker in my book
Watched him yesterday
Couldn't bruise an apple
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Pathetic footballer full of excuses
Watching him yesterday at Punt Rd
Takes easiest option
Doesn't work hard enough
End of Story
You seem like a good passionate Tiger Jack but HTF can you stick up for players like Hunt, Grigg, Houli and Hampson but want to rag on kids like Lennon? Who has had some injury problems. I'm not always that compassionate about players always injuried (Griff and Astbury) because I think they are weak and don't have AFL standard bodies (and minds) but sometimes kids in their first few years need the benefit of the doubt.
Anyway I'd be happy to see him traded if it meant we don't lose pick 6 but not because I don't think Lennon can still make it as an decent AFL player. Sometimes to get something decent you have to give something decent.
But what I know needs to happen is CHANGE!
I'd start delisting today. Even paying players out if I had too.
We need at least 4 or 5 picks inside the first 30 IMO and to do that we need to FO some of the guys who continue to let this once great club down.
You miss the point , Houli Hunt and Grigg can actually play
We need to clean out players ranked 22-32 to the list and replace them with players than can push into the starting 22
Pointless keeping players who are ranked 22-32 on the list
Lennon is a shocker in my book
Watched him yesterday
Couldn't bruise an apple
You're totally wrong Jack. Lennon was one of the best juniors that has played. He can play. Due to multiple injuries, confidence and form as well as one of the worst game plans ever, he is not playing well now. His upside is huge.
Those others are average players. As senior players, they set the tone. And the tone has been putrid. They are also on the downslope in there physical abilities. They also panic under pressure and turnover the ball regularly.
They may be playing better than an out of form Lennon currently but it would hardly take much for Lennon to overtake them.
Those seniors are to blame for our year. You don't blame juniors for our predicament. The seniors like Grigg, Houli, B Ellis, Hunt, Edwards added to Hardwick's unplayable game plan are to blame for our situation.
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Yep and Richard Tambling was one of the best juniors of all time
But didn't become a star
Seriously Lennon?
You watch him yesterday ?
VFL listed players can play better than him
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Lennon will never become a star or even a good player
Wrong attitude
Hey lets do forget the spat with Choco about the beard
That's funny
He thinks he is star already
Never will be
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Lennon will never become a star or even a good player
Wrong attitude
Hey lets do forget the spat with Choco about the beard
That's funny
He thinks he is star already
Never will be
Choco was out of line with the beard thing. Way out of line. Does he tell Dusty to take off his tatts?
Does he tell Houli to shave his off? Remember, Houli didn't have a beard for the first few years of his career.
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Choco with the slutshaming :lol
I bet he tells Ellis not to wear his dress above the knee too
Lmfao triggered
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Dusty is good enough to do whatever he wants.
Houli has proven himself an AFL standard player.
Lennon has done diddly squat and probably got the same criticism Jack Watts got for having a beard growing competition at Melbourne when they were all poo. Cut the games and focus on football you fringe player
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Lennon has skills to burn but no ticker for the hard stuff. Doesn't want it enough. Trade!!!!!
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Lennon has skills to burn but no ticker for the hard stuff. Doesn't want it enough. Trade!!!!!
Correct
Glad someone watches the game
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Lennon has skills to burn but no ticker for the hard stuff. Doesn't want it enough. Trade!!!!!
Correct
Glad someone watches the game
Watched him closely yesterday. We were a class above Coburg but Lennon was just cruisin. On the other hand we need to draft KK - This kid is DYNAMITE!!!!
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Dusty is good enough to do whatever he wants.
Houli has proven himself an AFL standard player.
Lennon has done diddly squat and probably got the same criticism Jack Watts got for having a beard growing competition at Melbourne when they were all poo. Cut the games and focus on football you fringe player
Where are the laws that state what you have to achieve to be allowed to grow a beard? Sorry, but your post is the biggest lot of rubbish I have read.
A beard is personal grooming. It has nothing to do with football. If he wants to grow a beard, that is independent of anything football. Kamdyn has a beard. Why is he allowed to have one? Choco has no right to tell players what they can or cannot do with their personal grooming. Unless the club has written laws of what and what is not acceptable and the playing group has agreed to this, then he should have concentrated on getting Lennon training hard and doing the physical drills to get his body right.
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why do people defend blokes for not having a red hot dip?
It is the one thing where all players are potentially equal, it is not pre determined by genetics like ability, and with those that are lacking, the only thing to blame is themselves.
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I would trade Lennon no problems. Trade him out this year before his value drops 12 months drown the track. We should receive a late 1st round pick or a player like Steele/Stewart in return. I cant see him making it at the Tigers so lets see what we can get.
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"Effort is non-negotiable. It's hard for me to interact with players who don't give themselves completely. The weak don't interest me." - Diego Simeone.
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Somethings smells, Lennon has the skills and ability to be a top 10 player at the club but Looks like he doesn't want to be there. He has been behind the 8 ball all year with injuries.
Could it be that he's going elsewhere and his heart had left on a plane some time ago
Hope I'm wrong, and he has a big pre season but I'm leaning towards the idea that he will be traded
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Hardwick just doesn't like Lennon's defensive side!
Lennon is talented and should be playing!
Hardwick is the problem!
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Watched him last 2 weeks
Lennon is the problem
Can tell you players like Kirby who played as 23rd player yesterday is well and truely past Lennon and he ain't he drafted
Let's don't fall in love with players now
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Hardwick just doesn't like Lennon's defensive side!
Lennon is talented and should be playing!
Hardwick is the problem!
lol
lets blame others for his own failings.
Thats the spirit that will get you where you want to go.
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Admittedly I've seen 5 mins of Lennon in the VFL but you don't believe it has anything to do with Hardwick?
Surely there's always an element of doubt when the coach is that bad
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I wouldn't judge his effort on the last 2 weeks. :shh
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I wouldn't judge his effort on the last 2 weeks. :shh
How about the last two years? No different.
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Admittedly I've seen 5 mins of Lennon in the VFL but you don't believe it has anything to do with Hardwick?
Surely there's always an element of doubt when the coach is that bad
I believe that people are responsible for the things they have control over
How often have made comments about the side being mentally weak?
Is someone who drops their bundle when things dont go their way a soultion or continuance of the same problem?
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Fair call. As I said I have watched 5 mins of him so no idea what his like.
I just struggle to agree with anything softdick does but his could be right here.
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Watched him last 2 weeks
Lennon is the problem
Can tell you players like Kirby who played as 23rd player yesterday is well and truely past Lennon and he ain't he drafted
Let's don't fall in love with players now
The last two weeks is a moronic sample size to use pink hat
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I wouldn't judge his effort on the last 2 weeks. :shh
How about the last two years? No different.
I guess that's where we disagree. By no means was he a defensive minded beast but even against Geelong three weeks ago he showed some intent and laid a few tackles (albeit he played an awful game due to his poor skill/execution). These past two weeks have just been the worst he's produced effort wise
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Watched him last 2 weeks
Lennon is the problem
Can tell you players like Kirby who played as 23rd player yesterday is well and truely past Lennon and he ain't he drafted
Let's don't fall in love with players now
The last two weeks is a moronic sample size to use pink hat
It's exactly been the same for past 2 years
There are VFL listed players that are much better than him
FACT !!!!!
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Ballard .Aarts and Couch are better players then Lennon
All attack the ball and finish off well
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Watched him last 2 weeks
Lennon is the problem
Can tell you players like Kirby who played as 23rd player yesterday is well and truely past Lennon and he ain't he drafted
Let's don't fall in love with players now
The last two weeks is a moronic sample size to use pink hat
You have to wonder though, when people, 3 weeks ago, start to question your endeavor/desire and you serve up those performances whether or not you can glean something? I don't think he wants to be at RFC. I don't blame Dimmer for his poor performances - the idea that he can't be stuffed or is vindictively playing poorly because of his coach is the most pathetic, unprofessional notion I've ever heard. If that IS the case then get rid of him.
If its poor development, well then, yep, coaching staff have a bit to answer for. But why can Rioli; with half the size and development of Lennon produce performances yards ahead of anything Lennon has in 1 year and Lennon's had three?
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It's amazing that people keep pumping up Lennon when there are a handful of VFL players that are better than him
Clubs fault for giving this player a 2 year contract last October
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Clubs fault for giving this player a 2 year contract last October
It could quite probably be his own fault Jack.
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Watched him last 2 weeks
Lennon is the problem
Can tell you players like Kirby who played as 23rd player yesterday is well and truely past Lennon and he ain't he drafted
Let's don't fall in love with players now
Dont fall in love with players? What about you pumping up Hampson then?
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Well Hampson has had a good year
Gets 2 year extension
Please yourself
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Well Hampson has had a good year
Gets 2 year extension
Please yourself Doofs
So only fall in love with players you think have had a good year?
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Well Hampson has had a good year
Gets 2 year extension
Please yourself Doofs
I'm confused with your stance Jackstar, you seem to be contradictory in your praise & criticism.
Is Hardwick good because he continually plays & has given extensions to Hamspud, Grigg, Hunt & Houli or is Hardwick bad because he doesn't give games or extensions to McBean, Lennon, Conca, C Ellis & Vickery?
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Jack's "stance" is that of a troll...no confusion about it....
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Jack's "stance" is that of a troll...no confusion about it....
Ah no
We need to keep the Houli, Griggs etc
We need to delist players who don't get a game and don't play in the 22 each week
McBean .Lennon and A Moore clearly not up to it
So have to go
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Jack's "stance" is that of a troll...no confusion about it....
Ah no
We need to keep the Houli, Griggs etc
We need to delist players who don't get a game and don't play in the 22 each week
McBean .Lennon and A Moore clearly not up to it
So have to go
You literally have no idea do you
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And you do?
Lol
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And you do?
Lol
Yep. I do.
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And you do?
Lol
Yep. I do.
Champagne Comedy :rollin :rollin :lol :jump :jump :dancing
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Your entire post history is comedy gold....
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Jack's "stance" is that of a troll...no confusion about it....
clearly,
good pisstake I must admit - he mirrors dimmas thinking - ie talk up the super spuds and slam the kids
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Your entire post history is comedy gold....
I don't even bother reading yours
My life is way too precious to waste time on nuffers
Seriously
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Your entire post history is comedy gold....
I don't even bother reading yours
My life is way too precious to waste time on nuffers
Seriously
Then why spend so much time trolling them?
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Your entire post history is comedy gold....
I don't even bother reading yours
My life is way too precious to waste time on nuffers
Seriously
Then why spend so much time trolling them?
You are another who can't read
I said , I don't read certain posters Posts
Very simple , don't read the dribble !!
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My life is way too precious to waste time on nuffers
Then why spend so much time trolling them?
Easier to comprehend?
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Your entire post history is comedy gold....
I don't even bother reading yours
My life is way too precious to waste time on nuffers
Seriously
If you had that much self respect you wouldn't ignore how many shocking calls you've amassed over the years.
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Your entire post history is comedy gold....
I don't even bother reading yours
My life is way too precious to waste time on nuffers
Seriously
If you had that much self respect you wouldn't ignore how many shocking calls you've amassed over the years.
Hey Doofs
And you are Mr Always Right 😉
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Your entire post history is comedy gold....
I don't even bother reading yours
My life is way too precious to waste time on nuffers
Seriously
If you had that much self respect you wouldn't ignore how many shocking calls you've amassed over the years.
Hey Doofs
And you are Mr Always Right 😉
I am but only because my record has yours covered by a long shot.
Explain how I'm wrong. And I'll entertain otherwise, don't waste your time rolling with the big boys
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Read my banner
Very self explanatory Doofs
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Read my banner
Very self explanatory Doofs
I get you don't have anything stronger to concede with.
It's ok.
Peace xoxo
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Jack's "stance" is that of a troll...no confusion about it....
Ah no
We need to keep the Houli, Griggs etc
We need to delist players who don't get a game and don't play in the 22 each week
McBean .Lennon and A Moore clearly not up to it
So have to go
What about delisting the players who have reached peak ability like Hunt, Houli, Grigg, Hampson and have failed to make any impact to a finals campaign.
And continue to develop guys who haven't reached potential yet like Lennon, Chol, Miles, Conca.
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Jack's "stance" is that of a troll...no confusion about it....
Ah no
We need to keep the Houli, Griggs etc
We need to delist players who don't get a game and don't play in the 22 each week
McBean .Lennon and A Moore clearly not up to it
So have to go
What about delisting the players who have reached peak ability like Hunt, Houli, Grigg, Hampson and have failed to make any impact to a finals campaign.
And continue to develop guys who haven't reached potential yet like Lennon, Chol, Miles, Conca.
I've tried that one TL. He doesn't get it.
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Jack's "stance" is that of a troll...no confusion about it....
Ah no
We need to keep the Houli, Griggs etc
We need to delist players who don't get a game and don't play in the 22 each week
McBean .Lennon and A Moore clearly not up to it
So have to go
What about delisting the players who have reached peak ability like Hunt, Houli, Grigg, Hampson and have failed to make any impact to a finals campaign.
And continue to develop guys who haven't reached potential yet like Lennon, Chol, Miles, Conca.
Doesn't sound very stable
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See ya
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See ya
go on?...
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Requested a trade. This could be very important re his value.
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Requested a trade. This could be very important re his value.
Off to GC with Tys compo for Prestia?
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A shame considering his talent, but rightly or wrongly if we aren't playing him we may as well get someone who we will.
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Gets very little for him
Wanted to go last year to Carlton by memory
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There is no positive in this.
Perfect example of all the unprofessionalism at RFC.
Lennon a highly rated junior with elite kicking. Can't get a game in our awful side.
Wants out.
Either our recruitment, development or culture is to blame or a combination of all of them. You shouldn't be losing 3 year old 1st round draft picks to rival clubs in your own state.
Absolutely embarrassing.
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A shame considering his talent, but rightly or wrongly if we aren't playing him we may as well get someone who we will.
Yes, someone Halfstep will play.....like Kane Mitchell....
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Doesn't really say a lot for us does it now?
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Doesn't really say a lot for us does it now?
I can't take one positive from this season apart from Dusty
We are a disgrace to the code of Yellow and Black
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A shame considering his talent, but rightly or wrongly if we aren't playing him we may as well get someone who we will.
Yes, someone Halfstep will play.....like Kane Mitchell....
:clapping Exactly who I would've chosen too, uncanny :shh
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Our club has nfi
This will bite us in 2-3 years
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-31/fringe-tiger-forward-keen-for-trade
Club promised a lot to get him when he was within a whisker of signing on with Carlton. Club didn't hold up their end of the deal but saying that, injuries did play a big part but unfortunately his heart wasn't even fully in it to begin with. Doesn't excuse his poor end to the season but his mind was long gone.
But you have to stuffing laugh at the people losing their poo over this saying "we are a disgrace" "absolutely embarrassing" etc. How many players leave Richmond, especially good ones (Matt White :lol :lol) yet people are trying to make us sound like we're a basket case when it comes to retaining players
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Our club has nfi
This will bite us in 2-3 years
Only if another team can get the best out of him because he certainly hasn't got the inner drive to do it himself. Happy for him to go personally.
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chuck him in for part of the preista deal if he doesn't want ot be there then move him on no point keepinghim I say
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Pick 12 Ben Lennon Richmond
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/Draft/2013/LENNON-Ben.jpg)
Former club: Northern Knights
DOB: 05/07/1995
Height: 188cm
Weight: 77kg
Position: Forward
Games: 15
Goals: 21
Avg Kicks: 13.9
Avg Marks: 5.9
Avg Handballs: 4.8
Player assessment
Medium forward who is an outstanding overhead mark and user of the ball by either hand or foot. Tracks the ball brilliantly in the air, but is just as clean and competitive at ground level. Earned All Australian honours in 2013. Graduate of the AIS AFL Academy.
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=591358
Wow. This young fellow sounds like a future star of the game. :rollin
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Wonder if he'll get his tiger tatt removed now?
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The 2013 draft has been yet another write off.
12-Lennon-hopefully he goes to GC but it would still need another pick to get the deal
32-Spudson-well, he is our No.1 ruck I suppose
50-Nathan Gordon
66-Lloyd-we could have got him in the rookie draft, no one else was interested.
We really needed 2 top 20 picks in that draft and it wouldn't have been that hard to do. Just imagine if we had Cripps and Acres, instead we have nothing.
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Wanted Byrne- Jones & Marsh with Gordon & Lloyd picks.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-31/fringe-tiger-forward-keen-for-trade
Club promised a lot to get him when he was within a whisker of signing on with Carlton. Club didn't hold up their end of the deal but saying that, injuries did play a big part but unfortunately his heart wasn't even fully in it to begin with. Doesn't excuse his poor end to the season but his mind was long gone.
But you have to stuffing laugh at the people losing their poo over this saying "we are a disgrace" "absolutely embarrassing" etc. How many players leave Richmond, especially good ones (Matt White :lol :lol) yet people are trying to make us sound like we're a basket case when it comes to retaining players
ppl saying how many players leave us etc? lol aside from retirements we haven't had a player wanting out for a while...
in fact we have been one of he better Clubs at player retention
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chuck him in for part of the preista deal if he doesn't want ot be there then move him on no point keepinghim I say
Yep.
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I'm furious. Derwood systematically played Petted, Gordon and Morris who are all hacks instead of Lennon. I don't blame the kid for wanting to go.... :banghead
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66-Lloyd-we could have got him in the rookie draft, no one else was interested.
We really needed 2 top 20 picks in that draft and it wouldn't have been that hard to do.
lol the lengths some will go to to bag out.
seriously isnt there enough legitimate things to whine about rather than whinging about not taking our second highest goal kicker for the season in the rookie draft rather than 66?
:lol stuff me sideways
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66-Lloyd-we could have got him in the rookie draft, no one else was interested.
We really needed 2 top 20 picks in that draft and it wouldn't have been that hard to do.
lol the lengths some will go to to bag out.
seriously isnt there enough legitimate things to whine about rather than whinging about not taking our second highest goal kicker for the season in the rookie draft rather than 66?
:lol stuff me sideways
Yes, I am critical of using draft picks on mature age players, it is a waste
If you think using draft picks on 23yo's is a winning strategy then you must be Francis Hackson in drag
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I am EFFING FUUUUUURIOUS :banghead
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I hope the Gold Coast or the club he nominates has the same enthusiastic consideration for this kids talents as some of our esteemed posters do on this board, because it sounds like this guys a top 10 pick having done nothing in 3 years.
Some people just can't confront the fact ( or just wont ) that this boy was a fizz-er, he has had all the opportunity in the world to make it and he didn't take it, at least not yet.
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I'm just sittin here Watchin the wheels go wound and round.....
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66-Lloyd-we could have got him in the rookie draft, no one else was interested.
We really needed 2 top 20 picks in that draft and it wouldn't have been that hard to do.
lol the lengths some will go to to bag out.
seriously isnt there enough legitimate things to whine about rather than whinging about not taking our second highest goal kicker for the season in the rookie draft rather than 66?
:lol stuff me sideways
Yes, I am critical of using draft picks on mature age players, it is a waste
If you think using draft picks on 23yo's is a winning strategy then you must be Francis Hackson in drag
lmao
using pick 66, our last pick used, the only pick from that draft that netted a player remotely close to being a success and who was our second highest goal kicker, is a waste?
and of course there is a plethora of talent left in the barrel by then
:lol
You are getting into WAT like territory now
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Wanted to go last year to Carlton by memory
That is simple not true
He always wanted to remain at Richmond, hence why he signed a 2 year deal
Know for an absolute fact he wanted to stay
Know more about his sceanrio contract wise ans re-signing than you do
Dare I say it FACT
Can I add, not surprised he wants out after what they've done to him this year
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All I said in my post was I thought the strategy was wrong. If you want mature agers that no one else is interested in, then rookie them, if they work out then upgrade them.
Then you don't need to waste a draft pick on them.
Instead, Richmond pick up Hampson at 25yo, who we could have got as a FA the year after, Gordon at 23yo and Lloyd 23yo.
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OH NOooo...we shall miss his amazing contributions...to the rehab group and to broken wristed Javelin tossing.
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Seriously Fringe player who can't play
Who cares
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Seriously Fringe player who can't play
Who cares
This....sell up now before others find out :snidegrin
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Seriously Fringe player who can't play
Who cares
This....sell up now before others find out :snidegrin
Even the Headlines on Supercoach on Twitter say " fringe player " wants out
Some Tiger fans love me , reality is he is a spud
Trade deal will be for a dozen orange witches hats
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I think the sliding doors moment was him being dropped for Griff in the elimination final. I think that pretty much smashed his desire to bleed for us on field. I really rated Lennon and still do as I think his kicking is fantastic. He probably needs a fresh start to reboot his career. Funnily enough I think simply sacking Damien Hardwick could actually revive Lennon's career.
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Too young to be written off, could still become a star. But he obviously isn't showing anything for us.
Do I blame him ? Not particularly. Playing for a crap coach with a crap offensive game plan which doesnt suit any forward in the games history. Why would you wanna stay and play for this crap ? Not much attraction.
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Seriously Fringe player who can't play
Who cares
This....sell up now before others find out :snidegrin
Even the Headlines on Supercoach on Twitter say " fringe player " wants out
Some Tiger fans love me , reality is he is a spud
Trade deal will be for a dozen orange witches hats
So how did he get a Rising star nomination? Wayne Carey said he was a natural footballer. I rate those judges opinions infinitely more than yours and those idiots at the club that played Petterd, Gordon and Morris ahead of him whilst playing a natural forward off the half back flank in the twos.
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Plenty of natural footballers don't make it because they simply don't work hard enough. Lennon could make it if his new team can get the best out of him but only if he wants it......so far he expects it rather than earning it. Good luck to the kid and look forward to what we get for him.
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Seriously Fringe player who can't play
Who cares
This....sell up now before others find out :snidegrin
Even the Headlines on Supercoach on Twitter say " fringe player " wants out
Some Tiger fans love me , reality is he is a spud
Trade deal will be for a dozen orange witches hats
So how did he get a Rising star nomination? Wayne Carey said he was a natural footballer. I rate those judges opinions infinitely more than yours and those idiots at the club that played Petterd, Gordon and Morris ahead of him whilst playing a natural forward off the half back flank in the twos.
I rate my dog's opinions on football higher than Jack's......she usually growls at the tv whenever Hamspud, Grigg or Hunt are on screen...
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So we have 2 first round picks wanting out and a second rounder gone all within a couple of days.
So it's either a recruiting issue or it's a coaching/development issue.
Someone needs to be sacked.
Not to mention Conca and Cellis finishing off the year in the two's.
So 4 first rounders and a second rounder struggling to be of any value this year. And the there is Griff!
No wonder we are poo!
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Probably taking the blues up on the offer from last year,interested to see what we get in return.
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Mind boggiling some supporters write off a 1st round draft pick after 3 years whilst we see Astbury and Grigg get contracts and whilst we draft in moneyball recycled fringe players like Moore, Townshend etc.
Madness.
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No, he doesn't want to be there, don't twist it. He wants out, he has shown sweet FA, smells like a lack of commitment to the cause to me, stuff him off, get someone in who wants to be there and get the best return we can. I wish him well in his future endeavors except when they involve playing against us.
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No, he doesn't want to be there, don't twist it. He wants out, he has shown sweet FA, smells like a lack of commitment to the cause to me, stuff him off, get someone in who wants to be there and get the best return we can. I wish him well in his future endeavors except when they involve playing against us.
I'd consider someone like a Vickery showing sweet FA and wanting to stay at Richmond the cub where he can be unaccountable and collect a pay check. Lennon wants out, showing intent, is the opposite of showing sweet FA?
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No, he doesn't want to be there, don't twist it. He wants out, he has shown sweet FA, smells like a lack of commitment to the cause to me, stuff him off, get someone in who wants to be there and get the best return we can. I wish him well in his future endeavors except when they involve playing against us.
Why doesn't he want to be there? Rated number 4 by our recruiters in his draft year. Hardly given a chance. Delisted hacks chosen to play ahead of him. Anyone of similar ilk would want out.
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what can I say. Perhaps another club will give him his birthright and we will just have to miss out on his potential. It is a shame but what does the club have to do? Beg?
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Just move him on and see what we can get, a top 20 pick would be great but probably a 2nd rounder
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what can I say. Perhaps another club will give him his birthright and we will just have to miss out on his potential. It is a shame but what does the club have to do? Beg?
No, not at all. Just play him and develop him in the firsts. Look at Rioli. He wasn't even ready for senior football and played practically every game. He improved heaps because of that. Lennon was ignored by playing hacks that have now been delisted and then played in the twos in the f***ing backline. Ridiculous. Dropped at every opportunity when BEllis and co were given game after game. I just don't blame him for looking for better opportunities elsewhere. We just miss out on a potential jet.
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All I said in my post was I thought the strategy was wrong. If you want mature agers that no one else is interested in, then rookie them, if they work out then upgrade them.
Then you don't need to waste a draft pick on them.
Instead, Richmond pick up Hampson at 25yo, who we could have got as a FA the year after, Gordon at 23yo and Lloyd 23yo.
no you said that pick 66 was wasted on Lloyd
clearly the comment was made without the knowledge that only one more pick was used to draft a player ( as opposed to rookie upgrades) , who has not even played a game.
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Plenty of natural footballers don't make it because they simply don't work hard enough. Lennon could make it if his new team can get the best out of him but only if he wants it......so far he expects it rather than earning it. Good luck to the kid and look forward to what we get for him.
good to see someone on here actually gets it
what can I say. Perhaps another club will give him his birthright and we will just have to miss out on his potential. It is a shame but what does the club have to do? Beg?
No, not at all. Just play him and develop him in the firsts. Look at Rioli. He wasn't even ready for senior football and played practically every game. He improved heaps because of that. Lennon was ignored by playing hacks that have now been delisted and then played in the twos in the f***ing backline. Ridiculous. Dropped at every opportunity when BEllis and co were given game after game. I just don't blame him for looking for better opportunities elsewhere. We just miss out on a potential jet.
you really want to compare Rioli's efforts to Lennons? Even when he looked out of his depth Rioli busted his gut. Can you say the same about Lennon?
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Plenty of natural footballers don't make it because they simply don't work hard enough. Lennon could make it if his new team can get the best out of him but only if he wants it......so far he expects it rather than earning it. Good luck to the kid and look forward to what we get for him.
good to see someone on here actually gets it
what can I say. Perhaps another club will give him his birthright and we will just have to miss out on his potential. It is a shame but what does the club have to do? Beg?
No, not at all. Just play him and develop him in the firsts. Look at Rioli. He wasn't even ready for senior football and played practically every game. He improved heaps because of that. Lennon was ignored by playing hacks that have now been delisted and then played in the twos in the f***ing backline. Ridiculous. Dropped at every opportunity when BEllis and co were given game after game. I just don't blame him for looking for better opportunities elsewhere. We just miss out on a potential jet.
you really want to compare Rioli's efforts to Lennons? Even when he looked out of his depth Rioli busted his gut. Can you say the same about Lennon?
In his first year Lennon was great. A beautiful mark and goal from his first kick and mark against the Demons. He's not the same sort of player as Rioli. He is a sublime talent, a magnificent kick. A great mark for his size. He offers very different skill sets to Rioli. Rioli was told that he was only getting a game because they needed someone to chase the defenders - Hardwick told this to us in June. So you would expect him to bust gut if that's all he was expected to do.
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Mind boggiling some supporters write off a 1st round draft pick after 3 years whilst we see Astbury and Grigg get contracts and whilst we draft in moneyball recycled fringe players like Moore, Townshend etc.
Madness.
Andrew Moore was a first round draft pick
Can't play in my opinion
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No, he doesn't want to be there, don't twist it. He wants out, he has shown sweet FA, smells like a lack of commitment to the cause to me, stuff him off, get someone in who wants to be there and get the best return we can. I wish him well in his future endeavors except when they involve playing against us.
Correct
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Plenty of natural footballers don't make it because they simply don't work hard enough. Lennon could make it if his new team can get the best out of him but only if he wants it......so far he expects it rather than earning it. Good luck to the kid and look forward to what we get for him.
good to see someone on here actually gets it
what can I say. Perhaps another club will give him his birthright and we will just have to miss out on his potential. It is a shame but what does the club have to do? Beg?
No, not at all. Just play him and develop him in the firsts. Look at Rioli. He wasn't even ready for senior football and played practically every game. He improved heaps because of that. Lennon was ignored by playing hacks that have now been delisted and then played in the twos in the f***ing backline. Ridiculous. Dropped at every opportunity when BEllis and co were given game after game. I just don't blame him for looking for better opportunities elsewhere. We just miss out on a potential jet.
you really want to compare Rioli's efforts to Lennons? Even when he looked out of his depth Rioli busted his gut. Can you say the same about Lennon?
In his first year Lennon was great. A beautiful mark and goal from his first kick and mark against the Demons. He's not the same sort of player as Rioli. He is a sublime talent, a magnificent kick. A great mark for his size. He offers very different skill sets to Rioli. Rioli was told that he was only getting a game because they needed someone to chase the defenders - Hardwick told this to us in June. So you would expect him to bust gut if that's all he was expected to do.
nah, i expect every player to bust a gut, thats what brings success.
in modern professional sport, you cannot make it on talent alone
It seems that Rioli understands this.
not sure if lennon does
"Effort is non-negotiable. It's hard for me to interact with players who don't give themselves completely. The weak don't interest me." - Diego Simeone.
A common theme amongst successful sporting coaches, but you seem to disagree with it?
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No, he doesn't want to be there, don't twist it. He wants out, he has shown sweet FA, smells like a lack of commitment to the cause to me, stuff him off, get someone in who wants to be there and get the best return we can. I wish him well in his future endeavors except when they involve playing against us.
Why doesn't he want to be there? Rated number 4 by our recruiters in his draft year. Hardly given a chance. Delisted hacks chosen to play ahead of him. Anyone of similar ilk would want out.
GALLING PART WAS THEY STATED THE NEED FOR BIG INSIDE MIDS AND HAVE SAID SO FOR YEARS SINCE. YET LOOK AT THE TYPES THEY HAVE TAKEN.
LENNON WAS NEVER A TOP 4 SELECTION JUST SHOWS HOW DUMB OUR RECRUITERS ARE.
Apologies for caps.
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Plenty of natural footballers don't make it because they simply don't work hard enough. Lennon could make it if his new team can get the best out of him but only if he wants it......so far he expects it rather than earning it. Good luck to the kid and look forward to what we get for him.
good to see someone on here actually gets it
what can I say. Perhaps another club will give him his birthright and we will just have to miss out on his potential. It is a shame but what does the club have to do? Beg?
No, not at all. Just play him and develop him in the firsts. Look at Rioli. He wasn't even ready for senior football and played practically every game. He improved heaps because of that. Lennon was ignored by playing hacks that have now been delisted and then played in the twos in the f***ing backline. Ridiculous. Dropped at every opportunity when BEllis and co were given game after game. I just don't blame him for looking for better opportunities elsewhere. We just miss out on a potential jet.
you really want to compare Rioli's efforts to Lennons? Even when he looked out of his depth Rioli busted his gut. Can you say the same about Lennon?
In his first year Lennon was great. A beautiful mark and goal from his first kick and mark against the Demons. He's not the same sort of player as Rioli. He is a sublime talent, a magnificent kick. A great mark for his size. He offers very different skill sets to Rioli. Rioli was told that he was only getting a game because they needed someone to chase the defenders - Hardwick told this to us in June. So you would expect him to bust gut if that's all he was expected to do.
nah, i expect every player to bust a gut, thats what brings success.
in modern professional sport, you cannot make it on talent alone
It seems that Rioli understands this.
not sure if lennon does
"Effort is non-negotiable. It's hard for me to interact with players who don't give themselves completely. The weak don't interest me." - Diego Simeone.
A common theme amongst successful sporting coaches, but you seem to disagree with it?
No I don't. You seem to not understand that there are different ways to bust a gut. Some do it chasing players, while others do it by running to the right parts of the ground looking to be hit with a pass. Lennon does the second type and little of the first. Rioli does the first and very little of the second. Does that make sense?
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lol lennon stands around a lot spectating like hampson and vickery.
He uses his natural ability to read the the play to get into the right spots if it doesant take too much effort. he would rather watch an opponent run away with the ball and hope there is turnover down the field and he can get a an easy kick on the rebound than chase and pressure that opponent.
he would rather sit back and watch his team mate outnumbered at the contest and hope he can get a cheap possession rather than work hard to get to the contest and influence it.
How do you think lennon would fit into Diego's view of things. Is he a player that gives his all?
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lol lennon stands around a lot spectating like hampson and vickery.
He uses his natural ability to read the the play to get into the right spots if it doesant take too much effort. he would rather watch an opponent run away with the ball and hope there is turnover down the field and he can get a an easy kick on the rebound than chase and pressure that opponent.
he would rather sit back and watch his team mate outnumbered at the contest and hope he can get a cheap possession rather than work hard to get to the contest and influence it.
How do you think lennon would fit into Diego's view of things. Is he a player that gives his all?
You've seen him play how many times? I'm ignoring this year since he had glandular fever, shoulder surgery, multiple concussions and an ankle injury. The past two years he's shown more than what you have stated, sorry.
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Lennon’s manager Anthony McConville confirmed to the Herald Sun the 21-year-old had asked for a trade.
“(Lennon) wants a fresh start. He has spoken to Damien today and he rang me earlier to let me know about the discussion,’’ McConville said.
“We will have those conversations with other clubs about what is available.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ben-lennon-has-requested-a-trade-out-of-richmond-after-three-seasons-at-the-club/news-story/7e573ba862668b99ae62ff9d1c707670
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I believe Hardwick's attitude rightly or wrongly has led to this request. Need to make most of this request but have absolutely no confidence that they will.
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No, he doesn't want to be there, don't twist it. He wants out, he has shown sweet FA, smells like a lack of commitment to the cause to me, stuff him off, get someone in who wants to be there and get the best return we can. I wish him well in his future endeavors except when they involve playing against us.
Why doesn't he want to be there? Rated number 4 by our recruiters in his draft year. Hardly given a chance. Delisted hacks chosen to play ahead of him. Anyone of similar ilk would want out.
GALLING PART WAS THEY STATED THE NEED FOR BIG INSIDE MIDS AND HAVE SAID SO FOR YEARS SINCE. YET LOOK AT THE TYPES THEY HAVE TAKEN.
LENNON WAS NEVER A TOP 4 SELECTION JUST SHOWS HOW DUMB OUR RECRUITERS ARE.
Apologies for caps.
100%
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lol lennon stands around a lot spectating like hampson and vickery.
He uses his natural ability to read the the play to get into the right spots if it doesant take too much effort. he would rather watch an opponent run away with the ball and hope there is turnover down the field and he can get a an easy kick on the rebound than chase and pressure that opponent.
he would rather sit back and watch his team mate outnumbered at the contest and hope he can get a cheap possession rather than work hard to get to the contest and influence it.
How do you think lennon would fit into Diego's view of things. Is he a player that gives his all?
You've seen him play how many times? I'm ignoring this year since he had glandular fever, shoulder surgery, multiple concussions and an ankle injury. The past two years he's shown more than what you have stated, sorry.
How do any of those things affect effort and application? they affect output, but not desire to work hard. actually they should affect that. they should have you working harder to overcome them.
even the games he showed something last year, it was only his natural talent that stood out. his effort and application was passable at the very best.
Oh i can hear the cries now, he had lost interest because he was so hard by this year.
wel tell me, if you want to get to another club, whats the best way to attract attention.
standing around with your hands on your hips like Hampson, telegraphing to the world you have given up, or giving it everything you have got?
Still the question remains unanswered
"How do you think lennon would fit into Diego's view of things. Is he a player that gives his all?"
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lol lennon stands around a lot spectating like hampson and vickery.
He uses his natural ability to read the the play to get into the right spots if it doesant take too much effort. he would rather watch an opponent run away with the ball and hope there is turnover down the field and he can get a an easy kick on the rebound than chase and pressure that opponent.
he would rather sit back and watch his team mate outnumbered at the contest and hope he can get a cheap possession rather than work hard to get to the contest and influence it.
How do you think lennon would fit into Diego's view of things. Is he a player that gives his all?
You've seen him play how many times? I'm ignoring this year since he had glandular fever, shoulder surgery, multiple concussions and an ankle injury. The past two years he's shown more than what you have stated, sorry.
How do any of those things affect effort and application? they affect output, but not desire to work hard. actually they should affect that. they should have you working harder to overcome them.
even the games he showed something last year, it was only his natural talent that stood out. his effort and application was passable at the very best.
Oh i can hear the cries now, he had lost interest because he was so hard by this year.
wel tell me, if you want to get to another club, whats the best way to attract attention.
standing around with your hands on your hips like Hampson, telegraphing to the world you have given up, or giving it everything you have got?
Still the question remains unanswered
"How do you think lennon would fit into Diego's view of things. Is he a player that gives his all?"
I would say 99% of our list do not fit into Diego's views of things. They haven't for years. Our mids don't work anywhere near as hard as the top teams especially running back and putting in defensive efforts.
Yet you target a junior and criticise his efforts. I don't think that's fair. His leaders should be showing him by example. That is why I don't blame him.
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HARDWICK DOES NOT LET HIM PLAY HIS NATURAL GAME!
DEfensive side? please what about Grigg's defensive side?
Hardwick is a disgrace!
Worst coach with a better list!
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Rance shows how to go about when everything else is poo.
Cotchin, even when playing poor has a dip.
Martin has improved his work rate and application every year.
Miles never stops trying.
Even Jack at his worst doesn't just stand by watching a team mate outnumbered at the contest.
Maric's greatest asset, when fit, was his willingness for the contest.
So there are some that lead by example
but in a round a bout way who have admitted his attitude and application isnt up scratch.
Unlike you, i don't pick one or two out of the many that are the same and give them dispensation.
Each and every one of them is responsible for the things they can control. Application and work rate is the one thing that every one can control.
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:lol @ hardwick not allowing him to be an unaccountable prima dona being the problem
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Rance shows how to go about when everything else is poo.
Cotchin, even when playing poor has a dip.
Martin has improved his work rate and application every year.
Miles never stops trying.
Even Jack at his worst doesn't just stand by watching a team mate outnumbered at the contest.
Maric's greatest asset, when fit, was his willingness for the contest.
So there are some that lead by example
but in a round a bout way who have admitted his attitude and application isnt up scratch.
Unlike you, i don't pick one or two out of the many that are the same and give them dispensation.
Each and every one of them is responsible for the things they can control. Application and work rate is the one thing that every one can control.
Rance? Yep. Cotchin? Were you watching the last two EFs? Martin? At the same stage was very lazy. Has only improved defensively in the last 2 years and even then does not bust a gut chasing. Miles? Great inside but he rarely chases hard and that's why he was dropped. Did you see Jack's efforts against Sydney? He was terrible. Maric was good but is cooked so doesn't make efforts for other reasons.
So apart from Rance they are poor examples IMHO.
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:lol @ hardwick not allowing him to be an unaccountable prima dona being the problem
exactly, my new attitude is this...What would Leigh Mathews do? stuff him off. You put in or you stuff off. This club should be for footballers not peeant primadonnas. Blokes who will have a crack every single time not sit their stewing in their estrogen about their birthrights.
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Lennon tac coach said hea the best kick he's seen since Buckley
The kid was very good in stages last year
Why are you trying to purposely deny his class penny
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exactly, my new attitude is this...What would Leigh Mathews do? stuff him off. You put in or you stuff off. This club should be for footballers not peeant primadonnas. Blokes who will have a crack every single time not sit their stewing in their estrogen about their birthrights.
If we had Matthews all the team would either be working harder or all of them bar Rance would have been shown the door.... :whistle
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bs,
Lennon would still be leaving in any case.
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Rance shows how to go about when everything else is poo.
Cotchin, even when playing poor has a dip.
Martin has improved his work rate and application every year.
Miles never stops trying.
Even Jack at his worst doesn't just stand by watching a team mate outnumbered at the contest.
Maric's greatest asset, when fit, was his willingness for the contest.
So there are some that lead by example
but in a round a bout way who have admitted his attitude and application isnt up scratch.
Unlike you, i don't pick one or two out of the many that are the same and give them dispensation.
Each and every one of them is responsible for the things they can control. Application and work rate is the one thing that every one can control.
The problem with this argument is your ignoring he's generally a lot better at football, with a far higher ceiling than other that apparently don't try yet are on th knees for Dimma - Griggs/hunts/Morris/amoore
Trying doesn't matter If your Shyte
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bs,
Lennon would still be leaving in any case.
BS?
Do you think that if we had Matthews that all the players would not be all working harder? Hardwick is weak when it comes to setting standards of what is required by a player to get senior selection.
Exhibit A: Vickery.
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Not trying means you are an even worse waste of space especially if you have talent to burn apparently. There is an old military saying, you take the queens penny, you do the queens work.
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Ww1 everyone in charge was first cousins... The queen can suck my balls. :shh. I wonder what hem blokes would of thought bout conscription.
The problem is the like of grigg doesn't try and is Shyte
Lennon apparently doesn't try. It has some upside.
Id argue he's used to try - but has cracked it last month or so proabley at hardwick for being a Shyte moron lying flog
Generally the list managment and development at tiger land is a very bad joke. Lennon is a fine example.
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bs,
Lennon would still be leaving in any case.
BS?
Do you think that if we had Matthews that all the players would not be all working harder? Hardwick is weak when it comes to setting standards of what is required by a player to get senior selection.
Exhibit A: Vickery.
you are jumping around like leaping lenny atm. Stick to the point. The point is, Lennon does not want to be at Richmond. Lennon you claim, was a great junior. To date he has shown FA. He apparently can't be stuffed putting the effort in for the tigers and I heard this from last year as well. That problem is his not anyone elses. You seize your chances when you get them to improve your future. As for BS, yes I call BS because Dustin, Jack, Cotchin and other players work hard not just Rance. Rance makes mistakes too, lots lately and it is because the team is full of youngsters and D graders making him and the other handful of good players have to do the work of 2 or 3 people.
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bs,
Lennon would still be leaving in any case.
BS?
Do you think that if we had Matthews that all the players would not be all working harder? Hardwick is weak when it comes to setting standards of what is required by a player to get senior selection.
Exhibit A: Vickery.
you are jumping around like leaping lenny atm. Stick to the point. The point is, Lennon does not want to be at Richmond. Lennon you claim, was a great junior. To date he has shown FA. He apparently can't be stuffed putting the effort in for the tigers and I heard this from last year as well. That problem is his not anyone elses. You seize your chances when you get them to improve your future. As for BS, yes I call BS because Dustin, Jack, Cotchin and other players work hard not just Rance. Rance makes mistakes too, lots lately and it is because the team is full of youngsters and D graders making him and the other handful of good players have to do the work of 2 or 3 people.
Wrong
Te point is why doesn't he want to be at Richmond. More so why has he given up the last few games
We might need an team of elite investigators for this one
His entire senior coaching carrer Dimma-the-flog has gifted games to those that he is find of. Suddenly he flicked the switch an stop playing youth and relied on his flog mates.
As we still didn't win the flag, I'm shocked
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No I am right.
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Why is a very important part of life
Look deeper
More so when young first rounders are being decked off
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And yet you can find a shallow fiscal reason in those depths perhaps
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stop making excuses for this bloke. He wants out? fine, facilitate it and lets move on. From the outside, his application looks questionable, no one doubts his talent and that will probably see us net reasonable compensation for him. Lets do it and move on instead of moaning how harshly done by he's been
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Plenty of natural footballers don't make it because they simply don't work hard enough. Lennon could make it if his new team can get the best out of him but only if he wants it......so far he expects it rather than earning it. Good luck to the kid and look forward to what we get for him.
good to see someone on here actually gets it
what can I say. Perhaps another club will give him his birthright and we will just have to miss out on his potential. It is a shame but what does the club have to do? Beg?
No, not at all. Just play him and develop him in the firsts. Look at Rioli. He wasn't even ready for senior football and played practically every game. He improved heaps because of that. Lennon was ignored by playing hacks that have now been delisted and then played in the twos in the f***ing backline. Ridiculous. Dropped at every opportunity when BEllis and co were given game after game. I just don't blame him for looking for better opportunities elsewhere. We just miss out on a potential jet.
you really want to compare Rioli's efforts to Lennons? Even when he looked out of his depth Rioli busted his gut. Can you say the same about Lennon?
In his first year Lennon was great. A beautiful mark and goal from his first kick and mark against the Demons. He's not the same sort of player as Rioli. He is a sublime talent, a magnificent kick. A great mark for his size. He offers very different skill sets to Rioli. Rioli was told that he was only getting a game because they needed someone to chase the defenders - Hardwick told this to us in June. So you would expect him to bust gut if that's all he was expected to do.
nah, i expect every player to bust a gut, thats what brings success.
in modern professional sport, you cannot make it on talent alone
It seems that Rioli understands this.
not sure if lennon does
"Effort is non-negotiable. It's hard for me to interact with players who don't give themselves completely. The weak don't interest me." - Diego Simeone.
A common theme amongst successful sporting coaches, but you seem to disagree with it?
Simeone also doesn't like hacks
And yet you can find a shallow fiscal reason in those depths perhaps
Plenty of salary cap money for the duds contract extensions but
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stop making excuses for this bloke. He wants out? fine, facilitate it and lets move on. From the outside, his application looks questionable, no one doubts his talent and that will probably see us net reasonable compensation for him. Lets do it and move on instead of moaning how harshly done by he's been
Sounds better than reflecting on the facts the team struggles to kick goals or kick the ball
An we getting rid of the natural fwd, first rounder forward who kicks beautifully.
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Who gives a stuff what some simian soccer ponce says. This is my response
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YStuNiouiW4
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Indeed
True sporting insite like Dimmas "grigg is a star", cream and iceberg discussions is more enjoyable to mull upon
The reply is on now q3: 6:16
SYD 130. RICHMOND 14
Was Lennon playing?
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Houli runs with josh Kennedy towards a fwd pocket throw in
Decides to run away from him as the ball goes to Kennedy :huh
Goal
Q3. 5.42
SYD 136. RIC. 14
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More insightful than Zorro's thought fart, which you contradict by making excuses for Lennon
we are talking about Lennon not the others. I am not defending the others.
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Excuses or facts?
The team is Shyte. Lennon is promising.
RFC cannot kick goals. Lennon is a natural forward.
The generally kicking and skills are deplorable. Lennon kick well
There Is another old saying - the truth hurts
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Lennon tac coach said hea the best kick he's seen since Buckley
The kid was very good in stages last year
Why are you trying to purposely deny his class penny
Considering that I have never said he is not talented, never, and have said on a number of occasions that he is talented, but questioned his endeavour and work rate, the only sane conclusion that can be drawn here is that you are mentally challenged.
This is further backed up by how you post a very apt quote from a successful coach about players who dont put in, then do a complete back flip when that is applied to one of your man crush players.
"Effort is non-negotiable. It's hard for me to interact with players who don't give themselves completely. The weak don't interest me." - Diego Simeone.
Remember this?
Why would you post something like this if you dont actually believe it?
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Excuses or facts?
The team is Shyte. Lennon is promising.
RFC cannot kick goals. Lennon is a natural forward.
The generally kicking and skills are deplorable. Lennon kick well
There Is another old saying - the truth hurts
Truth? Lennon wants to go and I say let him go. No sweat off my sack. Shoulda, coulda, woulda but doesn't wanna. If you think that the club is stupid enough to not run a bloke with such epic talent as you tout within three years and yet are able to pull in Miles and Rioli and Oleg Markov etc, and see that they can play straight up then what can I say. All snide crap aside, do you think they had a vendetta against him? Moore was sposed to be a top pick too but he came to us from Port for sfa and has been singularly underwhelming. Tambling, the same. Sometimes, they just can't make the transition. A change might help him out as well as us.
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Say what you like about Lennons apparent attitude problem but the reality is we lost this kid when half step chose a half done Conca over Lennon in last year's elimination final.
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Say what you like about Lennons apparent attitude problem but the reality is we lost this kid when half step chose a half done Conca over Lennon in last year's elimination final.
Can't say for an absolute fact but I know from a very good inside source that Dimma was really disappointed with his effort and application on the track leading into the last few rounds and final last year. The fact he was dropped was almost a direct result of this. Poor coaching perhaps but Lennon deserved what he got if that's the truth.
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:lol @ hardwick not allowing him to be an unaccountable prima dona being the problem
Yep that's a stuffing clincher :lol :lol
I reckon close to 3/4's of players recruited aren't naturally defensive so if anything I think we are letting them play their natural game too much. Lowest tackling side over a 5-10 year period yet we shouldn't teach them to be defensive :lol
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stop making excuses for this bloke. He wants out? fine, facilitate it and lets move on. From the outside, his application looks questionable, no one doubts his talent and that will probably see us net reasonable compensation for him. Lets do it and move on instead of moaning how harshly done by he's been
Sounds better than reflecting on the facts the team struggles to kick goals or kick the ball
An we getting rid of the natural fwd, first rounder forward who kicks beautifully.
So you think it's okay he's cracked the poo's and stopped trying because he has natural talent. And for that reason you want to keep him. So then we are stuck with a kid who cracks the poo's and is most likely to do it again and we'll be stuck with a talented kid who didn't achieve anything. Then in 5 years time when his values gone we'll be saying what a list clogging bludger he is and why didn't we trade him when he had value.
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Say what you like about Lennons apparent attitude problem but the reality is we lost this kid when half step chose a half done Conca over Lennon in last year's elimination final.
I reckon. Yep.
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For those who are saying Lennon has shown nothing, kicked a goal from 50 from boundary line with first kick. Was very important half forward leading up to finals series in which he was dropped harshly for an injured Newman.
Has had some games where he has dominated VFL. Hardly any chances. Need to get some perspective about a player who is 3 years old. 1 of those was his first year, another was a year wrecked by injuries and the other was dropped for finals. Poor development aside. We should be keeping a player like this. Blight on our club. Not surprised.
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agree, all those who have said that he has shown nothing should hang your head in shame.
You know who are, even if i dont..........
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I think most of you have misconstrued what some of us are saying.
I'm not saying we should beg him to stay. That ship has sailed.
I'm saying he is leaving because of our poor development program. A guy with so much talent should be given every opportunity to play seniors. Sure, he may not run madly for tackles, but to play absolute duds like Petterd, Gordon and Morris forward instead of him was such a big mistake that there's no excuse for it. Those guys gave us so little up forward it's not funny. At least Lennon would know we're to position himself and was strong overhead. Kicking was his strength. Those other three are terrible kicks. He should have played instead of those guys and also not been sub for like 8 games. That's why I'm upset. Losing talent that is in such short supply at our club is diabolical.
Now we need to get the best deal for him. We have the upper hand as he is contracted.
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ahh, if only that it was singularily that he doesnt run manically to tackle......
what is truly amusing is that Vickery cops heaps of vitriol for lack of effort, yet people accept it from Lennon and think he should be given games as if if the problem will magically disappear rather than create another similar beast
If you do research into any sucessfull coach in world sport the one thing that is common is the refusal to accept lack of effort, those who do not give everything in an effort to be their very best.
I have heard/read of many successful coaches saying that effort can make up for lack of ability ( to a point), but never that ability can make up for lack of effort.
It seems that some on think otherwise, but Ill take heed of those that have done, not those that havnt
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ahh, if only that it was singularily that he doesnt run manically to tackle......
what is truly amusing is that Vickery cops heaps of vitriol for lack of effort, yet people accept it from Lennon and think he should be given games as if if the problem will magically disappear rather than create another similar beast
If you do research into any sucessfull coach in world sport the one thing that is common is the refusal to accept lack of effort, those who do not give everything in an effort to be their very best.
I have heard/read of many successful coaches saying that effort can make up for lack of ability ( to a point), but never that ability can make up for lack of effort.
It seems that some on think otherwise, but Ill take heed of those that have done, not those that havnt
You can't compare Vickery with Lennon. One has been in the system for 8 years and gifted games and the other has had 3 years of very few in which many were as sub.
I was happy to give games initially to Ty to fast track him but Ben never got anywhere near the same ride.
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I wish any player that is able to get out of punt road the best in their respective careers.
They're already showing more than the rest of the joint.
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the point is look where that ride took vickery.
yet you want to replicate that with Lennon and expect a different result?
Vickery is the epitome of rewarding half arsed efforts and relying soley on natural talent. He is the poster boy for failed talent due to poor work ethic.
It is clear that you think that natural talent will over ride lack of effort, despite the evidence right there in front of you to the contrary.
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the point is look where that ride took vickery.
yet you want to replicate that with Lennon and expect a different result?
Vickery is the epitome of rewarding half arsed efforts and relying soley on natural talent. He is the poster boy for failed talent due to poor work ethic.
It is clear that you think that natural talent will over ride lack of effort, despite the evidence right there in front of you to the contrary.
I'm not saying that at all. Lennon was given precious few full games to develop good defensive skills in the forward half. In that, he was developed poorly.
Players like Ablett senior and many other great forwards hardly laid a tackle in their careers too. So according to your philosophy they would never have got a game. They lived off natural talent. In Ty's case, he never had the same natural talent as Lennon.
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you are the one that keeps rattling on about tackles, not me
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you are the one that keeps rattling on about tackles, not me
Forget it. Agree to disagree. Time to cash in on him!
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Pene - Effort or at least defensive efforts can be graded by tackles, especially as forward defensive pressure.
Lennon's averaged just under 3 tackles a game this year exactly the same as Lloyd. More than Vlastuin. More than Short. More than Vickery. You won't find many Richmond non-midfielder that averages more than 3 tackles a game this year.
Any decent club doesn't delist or be forced to trade a 3rd year first rounder. Basketcase development and player management. Even if he is a big head, decent culture curbs that around positively. Not all successful players are humble brown noses.
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Halfwit has his favourites as we all know and he also has players he just doesn't rate either as footballers or people.
Lennon is one of those as I've heard this from someone inside the club within the last month.
I also heard his lack of commitment is pretty much a beat up too, to make it a little easier not to play the kid.
I'm glad he has given us the finger and moving on, I hope he becomes a star and makes this club look stupid as they have put way to much faith in people that continually stuff up.
But let's keep players like Grigg, Houli, Hunt and Hampson because they work their arses off. :sleep
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Halfwit has his favourites as we all know and he also has players he just doesn't rate either as footballers or people.
Lennon is one of those as I've heard this from someone inside the club within the last month.
I also heard his lack of commitment is pretty much a beat up too, to make it a little easier not to play the kid.
I'm glad he has given us the finger and moving on, I hope he becomes a star and makes this club look stupid as they have put way to much faith in people that continually stuff up.
But let's keep players like Grigg, Houli, Hunt and Hampson because they work their arses off. :sleep
Love your work big tone! :clapping
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Here here bigtone.
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(https://i.gyazo.com/f82f748dc6e63808a446e1a4c9459952.png)
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Looks stoked in that pic
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Lets face it he has never ever really wanted to be with us.
hAPPY TO SEE THE BACK OF HIM
I will cut him some slack especially this yr when it comes to a lack of run and work rate i think he did well to play at all having a bout of Glandular fever.
Can also understand why he did not get many games this yr with his illness and lack of subsequent effort.
Lot of angst over a bloke who does not want to be there and who is yet to produce a thing at the level.
Sometimes it is not all the clubs fault and why there is SOME blame to lay at their feet their is probably more to lay at Lennons.
Lets just let him go and get what we can for him he will never reach what potential he has with us if he does not want to be there.
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Lets face it he has never ever really wanted to be with us.
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...Lot of angst over a bloke who does not want to be there and who is yet to produce a thing at the level.
Sometimes it is not all the clubs fault and why there is SOME blame to lay at their feet their is probably more to lay at Lennons.
Lets just let him go and get what we can for him he will never reach what potential he has with us if he does not want to be there.
Really, never?
And you know this how?
If he now (and seriously who can blame him) then he goes but to say he NEVER wanted to be at the club is not true >:(
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104 pages for a fringe player
Interesting to say the least
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104 pages for a fringe player
Interesting to say the least
It's because he is one of only a precious few players we have that has real football ability.
A lot more than your favourites in Houli, Hunt and Grigg. Even if those guys try their hearts out they cannot elevate us beyond a middling side. Players like Lennon could catapult us up higher but alas he has been destroyed by Hardwick and his heart hasn't been in it since.
Best we trade and get something for him now.
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Penny - I applied the quote of simone cause that's the first thing tha came to my mind half way thur the 3rd quarter of the hardwick Richmond effort last week as they were resembling cheap witcheshats down by 120 odds points having kicked one or two goals
A game which Lennon was not playing as far as I know
For mine he is not soft or weak as you say. Yes he's been woeful the last couple of games. I don't think that's a fair summary of his carrer or future for a number of reasons that have been said. Personally I saw plenty of endeavour and work rate last year in both leagues from Lennon. Especially in the ones when he'd go back with the flight, out his head over it and look near our best player for a short period.
Before being dropped by Dimmas hack mates
Hooter - I know You don't want to think bout it but to me why he wants to do is a daily important question in the grand scene of the Richmond related universe.
I really think you have no idea how stupid I think this club is
Again for both of u, all the effort in the world is well and good but if u suck (Morris, hunt types) you are starting a long way behind the eight ball
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Say what you like about Lennons apparent attitude problem but the reality is we lost this kid when half step chose a half done Conca over Lennon in last year's elimination final.
Then wanted a trade
Then promised a fair run at it
The shafted by Dimma and his orgy possie '16
People are shocked his disillusioned
Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story - just soft and crap hey good riddance .
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Say what you like about Lennons apparent attitude problem but the reality is we lost this kid when half step chose a half done Conca over Lennon in last year's elimination final.
Then wanted a trade
Then promised a fair run at it
The shafted by Dimma and his orgy possie '16
People are shocked his disillusioned
Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story - just soft and crap hey good riddance .
Don't think he wanted a trade so much as Carlscum started getting in his ear
"walk to us for nothing Ben"
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"We don't drop you for Newman grigg and conca when you are in good nick ben"
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Say what you like about Lennons apparent attitude problem but the reality is we lost this kid when half step chose a half done Conca over Lennon in last year's elimination final.
Then wanted a trade
Then promised a fair run at it
The shafted by Dimma and his orgy possie '16
People are shocked his disillusioned
Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story - just soft and crap hey good riddance .
Don't think he wanted a trade so much as Carlscum started getting in his ear
"walk to us for nothing Ben"
Not true. Never considered going to Carlton last year.
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Heinz ?
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I think most of you have misconstrued what some of us are saying.
I'm not saying we should beg him to stay. That ship has sailed.
I'm saying he is leaving because of our poor development program. A guy with so much talent should be given every opportunity to play seniors. Sure, he may not run madly for tackles, but to play absolute duds like Petterd, Gordon and Morris forward instead of him was such a big mistake that there's no excuse for it. Those guys gave us so little up forward it's not funny. At least Lennon would know we're to position himself and was strong overhead. Kicking was his strength. Those other three are terrible kicks. He should have played instead of those guys and also not been sub for like 8 games. That's why I'm upset. Losing talent that is in such short supply at our club is diabolical.
Now we need to get the best deal for him. We have the upper hand as he is contracted.
Ah yes the outrageous concept I backing a kid that's a high draft kik with talent. By investing time and games into him do the long term betterment of the club. In a comp with drafts and caps..
ahh, if only that it was singularily that he doesnt run manically to tackle......
what is truly amusing is that Vickery cops heaps of vitriol for lack of effort, yet people accept it from Lennon and think he should be given games as if if the problem will magically disappear rather than create another similar beast
If you do research into any sucessfull coach in world sport the one thing that is common is the refusal to accept lack of effort, those who do not give everything in an effort to be their very best.
I have heard/read of many successful coaches saying that effort can make up for lack of ability ( to a point), but never that ability can make up for lack of effort.
It seems that some on think otherwise, but Ill take heed of those that have done, not those that havnt
90% of the senior side showed nothing lady week and got historically pantz. Yet you are almost only on lennons t@s.
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Pene - Effort or at least defensive efforts can be graded by tackles, especially as forward defensive pressure.
Lennon's averaged just under 3 tackles a game this year exactly the same as Lloyd. More than Vlastuin. More than Short. More than Vickery. You won't find many Richmond non-midfielder that averages more than 3 tackles a game this year.
Any decent club doesn't delist or be forced to trade a 3rd year first rounder. Basketcase development and player management. Even if he is a big head, decent culture curbs that around positively. Not all successful players are humble brown noses.
That would be, close, perhaps, to being valid if I was only talking about defensive effort, rather than effort in total.
But it seems the concept is beyond some of us and no matter what is said they will not hold those perceived to have lots of talent accountable to their own actions, or more appropriately, their own inactions
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90% of the senior side showed nothing lady week and got historically pantz. Yet you are almost only on lennons t@s.
:lol
perhaps you should read the thread title and maybe it may make more sense to you.
but then again, you seem to think "grigg chaplin houli" is absolution for those you think are beyond criticism and extenuates the evilness of those you want dead, so maybe there is no way you would ever understand the concept of discussing the topic at hand.
I do though, like the defence of what others do to justify your own shortcomings
Father Buttstuffer, why did you rape that child?
The other priests do it.
OK then, that makes it alright. Case dismissed
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Not true. Never considered going to Carlton last year.
That is actually 100% incorrect. Was also promised a minimum amount of games this year (in a row) and this was not followed through with
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Contracted so can still deny his request and see how he goes next year...if he's still unhappy we can still trade him unless he wants to walk into the PSD and risk ending up at -most likely- Brisbane...
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Not true. Never considered going to Carlton last year.
That is actually 100% incorrect. Was also promised a minimum amount of games this year (in a row) and this was not followed through with
That's not what he told me!
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Say what you like about Lennons apparent attitude problem but the reality is we lost this kid when half step chose a half done Conca over Lennon in last year's elimination final.
Then wanted a trade
Then promised a fair run at it
The shafted by Dimma and his orgy possie '16
People are shocked his disillusioned
Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story - just soft and crap hey good riddance .
Don't think he wanted a trade so much as Carlscum started getting in his ear
"walk to us for nothing Ben"
Not true. Never considered going to Carlton last year.
Um, Carlton were certainly in contact with his management during last seasons trade period from various people/sources.
Whether he actually entertained the idea is a different story. As I said, I believe Carlscum were saying he could get to them via the PSD.
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Lets face it he has never ever really wanted to be with us.
....
...Lot of angst over a bloke who does not want to be there and who is yet to produce a thing at the level.
Sometimes it is not all the clubs fault and why there is SOME blame to lay at their feet their is probably more to lay at Lennons.
Lets just let him go and get what we can for him he will never reach what potential he has with us if he does not want to be there.
Really, never?
And you know this how?
If he now (and seriously who can blame him) then he goes but to say he NEVER wanted to be at the club is not true >:(
Call it perception call it what you like. im just simply going going by what has transpired in recent years. With out actually speaking to him about it, it is about all any of us can go by.Yep i get the distinct feeling his heart has never been in being at rfc and most certainly not the last few years.ANd your right who can blame him i am surprised more are not leaving in droves.
Hmm opinion not allowed around here nowdays.
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Not true. Never considered going to Carlton last year.
That is actually 100% incorrect. Was also promised a minimum amount of games this year (in a row) and this was not followed through with
That's not what he told me!
A good mate of mine works with his dad at telstra, mad bluebagger - was a very real possibility
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:snidegrin
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Not true. Never considered going to Carlton last year.
That is actually 100% incorrect. Was also promised a minimum amount of games this year (in a row) and this was not followed through with
That's not what he told me!
A good mate of mine works with his dad at telstra, mad bluebagger - was a very real possibility
Do you believe a mate who translates a vibe from his dad about his son or do you believe the bloke himself?
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I reckon he concocted a cunning plan to get to Carltank and cracked it when he didn't get his way. See Cam McCarthy wanting to go to Freo heave ho. It happens. Disclaimer: Anything I propose here is purely my own speculation despite being probably right on the money due to my uncanny wisdom and intelligence and general awesomeness.
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I reckon he concocted a cunning plan to get to Carltank and cracked it when he didn't get his way. See Cam McCarthy wanting to go to Freo heave ho. It happens. Disclaimer: Anything I propose here is purely my own speculation despite being probably right on the money due to my uncanny wisdom and intelligence and general awesomeness.
:lol
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I reckon he concocted a cunning plan to get to Carltank and cracked it when he didn't get his way. See Cam McCarthy wanting to go to Freo heave ho. It happens. Disclaimer: Anything I propose here is purely my own speculation despite being probably right on the money due to my uncanny wisdom and intelligence and general awesomeness.
Not sure about your wisdom or intelligence but you sure are awesome Owl :thumbsup
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Thanks man
wait til you see my business card :cheers
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/m3oBwCkNJjAx.gif)
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Not true. Never considered going to Carlton last year.
That is actually 100% incorrect. Was also promised a minimum amount of games this year (in a row) and this was not followed through with
That's not what he told me!
A good mate of mine works with his dad at telstra, mad bluebagger - was a very real possibility
Do you believe a mate who translates a vibe from his dad about his son or do you believe the bloke himself?
I definitely believe my mate, he doesnt talk poo.
No offence but why would he tell you the truth? as if a player would tell a coterie member yeah i wanted out and almost went
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Not true. Never considered going to Carlton last year.
That is actually 100% incorrect. Was also promised a minimum amount of games this year (in a row) and this was not followed through with
That's not what he told me!
A good mate of mine works with his dad at telstra, mad bluebagger - was a very real possibility
Do you believe a mate who translates a vibe from his dad about his son or do you believe the bloke himself?
I definitely believe my mate, he doesnt talk poo.
No offence but why would he tell you the truth? as if a player would tell a coterie member yeah i wanted out and almost went
I know his uncle too. I'll ask him next time see him....
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Not true. Never considered going to Carlton last year.
That is actually 100% incorrect. Was also promised a minimum amount of games this year (in a row) and this was not followed through with
That's not what he told me!
Let me guess, it was at a Richmond function? They are all so truthful at those things
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Not true. Never considered going to Carlton last year.
That is actually 100% incorrect. Was also promised a minimum amount of games this year (in a row) and this was not followed through with
That's not what he told me!
Let me guess, it was at a Richmond function? They are all so truthful at those things
Saw Jackstar in the car park too... :shh
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Lennon doesn't fit the Halfwit model.
Skillful.
Reads the ball well.
Strong Mark.
Highly skilled by foot.
Goal kicker.
Quick over the ground.
Smart. Quick thinker.
The club needs more Moore, Townsend, Hunt types.
Had a crippling year with injuries after being stuffed around. Could be one of our best players.
If he realizes his potential at Carlton, the tears from tiger fans will be flowing for the next ten years.
Would not trade.
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"Quick over the ground" ???
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Yeah apparently also forgot to list his other good qualities
- great tackler
- doesn't go missing in games
- intensity at ball
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Lennon doesn't fit the Halfwit model.
"Quick over the ground"
You had me till this clanger.
Slow as a wet week but agree on the other points.
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You know someone is trying too hard to make everything negative when they start adding qualities to players that they don't have :lol
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Lennon doesn't fit the Halfwit model.
"Quick over the ground"
You had me till this clanger.
Slow as a wet week but agree on the other points.
:lol :thumbsup
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Don't forget his awesome javelin skilz
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--j6ACKHB8--/ase9mb8kizb4xt2pjejo.gif)
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:lol
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"Quick over the ground" ???
What u reckon bout ?
Reads the ball well.
Strong Mark.
Highly skilled by foot.
Goal kicker.
Smart. Quick thinker.
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"Quick over the ground" ???
What u reckon bout ?
Reads the ball well.
Strong Mark.
Highly skilled by foot.
Goal kicker.
Smart. Quick thinker.
Sounds like if Hardwick had played him he would have won the Brownlow :whistle
Would hate to see him go but under a better coach and development team would will probably go very well.
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"Quick over the ground" ???
What u reckon bout ?
Reads the ball well.
Strong Mark.
Highly skilled by foot.
Goal kicker.
Smart. Quick thinker.
Yep. They're probably fair enough.
But what do you think about:
Slow
Soft
Lazy
Entitled
??
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"Quick over the ground" ???
What u reckon bout ?
Reads the ball well.
Strong Mark.
Highly skilled by foot.
Goal kicker.
Smart. Quick thinker.
Yep. They're probably fair enough.
But what do you think about:
Slow
Soft
Lazy
Entitled
??
What about poorly managed after getting dropped last year for a final and replaced by a slow, soft,lazy, entitled favourite who hadn't played all year?
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"Quick over the ground" ???
What u reckon bout ?
Reads the ball well.
Strong Mark.
Highly skilled by foot.
Goal kicker.
Smart. Quick thinker.
Yep. They're probably fair enough.
But what do you think about:
Slow
Soft
Lazy
Entitled
??
What about poorly managed after getting dropped last year for a final and replaced by a slow, soft,lazy, entitled favourite who hadn't played all year?
Would agree with that. Just trying to get the whole picture here...
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"Quick over the ground" ???
What u reckon bout ?
Reads the ball well.
Strong Mark.
Highly skilled by foot.
Goal kicker.
Smart. Quick thinker.
Yep. They're probably fair enough.
But what do you think about:
Slow
Soft
Lazy
Entitled
??
What about poorly managed after getting dropped last year for a final and replaced by a slow, soft,lazy, entitled favourite who hadn't played all year?
Would agree with that. Just trying to get the whole picture here...
It's not called one eyed richmond forum for nothing
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"Quick over the ground" ???
What u reckon bout ?
Reads the ball well.
Strong Mark.
Highly skilled by foot.
Goal kicker.
Smart. Quick thinker.
Yep. They're probably fair enough.
But what do you think about:
Slow
Soft
Lazy
Entitled
??
What about poorly managed after getting dropped last year for a final and replaced by a slow, soft,lazy, entitled favourite who hadn't played all year?
Im with ya.
Disgraceful
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"Quick over the ground" ???
What u reckon bout ?
Reads the ball well.
Strong Mark.
Highly skilled by foot.
Goal kicker.
Smart. Quick thinker.
Yep. They're probably fair enough.
But what do you think about:
Slow
Soft
Lazy
Entitled
??
What about poorly managed after getting dropped last year for a final and replaced by a slow, soft,lazy, entitled favourite who hadn't played all year?
Would agree with that. Just trying to get the whole picture here...
The whole picture is that the overall player management at the club has been limited at best, inept at its worst.....
Consequently, it's hard to judge the quality of a 20 year old who is clearly been under developed to this point.
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Yeah apparently also forgot to list his other good qualities
- great tackler
- doesn't go missing in games
- intensity at ball
Love this post 👍
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Yeah apparently also forgot to list his other good qualities
- great tackler
- doesn't go missing in games
- intensity at ball
Take out Rance, find me a player on our list that does these things.
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Yeah apparently also forgot to list his other good qualities
- great tackler
- doesn't go missing in games
- intensity at ball
Take out Rance, find me a player on our list that does these things.
But we're a low tackle type of side..... :whistle
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Yeah apparently also forgot to list his other good qualities
- great tackler
- doesn't go missing in games
- intensity at ball
Take out Rance, find me a player on our list that does these things.
But we're a low tackle type of side..... :whistle
And low intensity lol.
Prooving the point of a dumb post to single out a kid without attributes no1 in the side has.
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We're also a low win and expectations side.
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Also pretty tough to play forward line
Jack and deledio can't do anything but Lennon should of done?
Dunno about soft. Lennon is not less soft than a Houli / grigg
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Lennon is not less soft than a Houli / grigg
High praise indeed!
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That's the Richmond benchmark
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Yeah apparently also forgot to list his other good qualities
- great tackler
- doesn't go missing in games
- intensity at ball
Take out Rance, find me a player on our list that does these things.
But we're a low tackle type of side..... :whistle
And low intensity lol.
Prooving the point of a dumb post to single out a kid without attributes no1 in the side has.
Looks like it's been decided. We no longer have to have high expectations of players because some of our other players aren't that good. Let's bring in more people that lack tackling skill, consistency and intensity. Let's make sure we continue to play your Chaplin, Houli, Hampson types because at least they are as good as the rest :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Yeah apparently also forgot to list his other good qualities
- great tackler
- doesn't go missing in games
- intensity at ball
Take out Rance, find me a player on our list that does these things.
But we're a low tackle type of side..... :whistle
And low intensity lol.
Prooving the point of a dumb post to single out a kid without attributes no1 in the side has.
Keep wallowing in mediocrity son, how does another 35 odd years suit
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Yeah apparently also forgot to list his other good qualities
- great tackler
- doesn't go missing in games
- intensity at ball
Take out Rance, find me a player on our list that does these things.
But we're a low tackle type of side..... :whistle
And low intensity lol.
Prooving the point of a dumb post to single out a kid without attributes no1 in the side has.
Keep wallowing in mediocrity son, how does another 35 odd years suit
Lel, this coming from the guy who complains on every single negative post or comment against the club. Hilarious stuff.
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Everybody calm down pls
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Keep wallowing in mediocrity son, how does another 35 odd years suit
Lel, this coming from the guy who complains on every single negative post or comment against the club. Hilarious stuff.
complains lol.
Proving the point of a dumb post to single out a poster with the same attributes as everyone in the forum has.
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Yeah apparently also forgot to list his other good qualities
- great tackler
- doesn't go missing in games
- intensity at ball
Take out Rance, find me a player on our list that does these things.
But we're a low tackle type of side..... :whistle
And low intensity lol.
Prooving the point of a dumb post to single out a kid without attributes no1 in the side has.
Looks like it's been decided. We no longer have to have high expectations of players because some of our other players aren't that good. Let's bring in more people that lack tackling skill, consistency and intensity. Let's make sure we continue to play your Chaplin, Houli, Hampson types because at least they are as good as the rest :clapping :clapping :clapping
The point being lennon so called weakness, are traits shares by many o his senior teammates
Several of whom have to boot: dumb / poor football brains, don't mark well, are mediocre by foot, don't kick goals
Lennon also has tremendous upside given his age
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His real name is Ben Lemon
Enough said
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Unless we can do straight swap with Essendon for Laverde or get a top 20 pick, I'd make him stay......unlikely to walk into the PSD next year and risk going to Brisbane...if he has a good year and plays senior footy he'll either want to stay or be worth more at the trade table if he still wants to go......after Halfstep is sacked he'll probably want to stay anyway....
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Unless we can do straight swap with Essendon for Laverde
Just re-signed with Essendon so there goes that idea....
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Make him stay. Make him into a VFL star :snidegrin
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Unless we can do straight swap with Essendon for Laverde
Just re-signed with Essendon so there goes that idea....
Laverde will be a star. Shame it will be at the Bombers.
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We could have had Laverde
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Cripps is now the official "shoulda" pick from that draft Chucky....(fwiw I wanted Acres)
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We could've had Dangerfield :banghead
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Could've had Meatloaf :shh
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Cripps is now the official "shoulda" pick from that draft Chucky....(fwiw I wanted Acres)
Ok thanks sometimes I lose track of the "could have hads"
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Maybe Lennon will give us and our club one more chance!
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Maybe Lennon will give us and our club one more chance!
If he hangs out till Hardwick leaves, that just maybe the case... :shh
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Cripps is now the official "shoulda" pick from that draft Chucky....(fwiw I wanted Acres)
Ok thanks sometimes I lose track of the "could have hads"
Should have a notebook in your front pocket pal :shh
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Laverde was the 2014 draft i still maintain we had to go one of the talls that was available in Durdin, Lever, and Goddard.FWIW my preference was Durdin but would have been happy with any of them.
Cripps is now the official "shoulda" pick from that draft Chucky....(fwiw I wanted Acres)
I liked the look of Acres a lot . i think he is tracking along nicely at stkilda. We traded out of the second round surprise surprise for you know who.A kid called George Hewitt is just starting to come into his own.
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Yeah apparently also forgot to list his other good qualities
- great tackler
- doesn't go missing in games
- intensity at ball
Take out Rance, find me a player on our list that does these things.
But we're a low tackle type of side..... :whistle
:lol
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Yeah apparently also forgot to list his other good qualities
- great tackler
- doesn't go missing in games
- intensity at ball
Take out Rance, find me a player on our list that does these things.
But we're a low tackle type of side..... :whistle
:lol
lets start with your favourite , edwards. How does he stack up with lennon????
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Hard to compare as (rarely seen) titch best good
Where as Lennon potential high
Both Shyte currently. I'd have found room both 22 , Dimmas posy I old anglosaxon list blockers
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very interesting for a club that tried so hard to keep last year and played a handful of games due to injury or poor form but makes u wonder if his heart was in it this year if he goes to carlton wed be looking at what a second round pick
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Hard to compare as (rarely seen) titch best good
Where as Lennon potential high
Both Shyte currently. I'd have found room both 22 , Dimmas posy I old anglosaxon list blockers
what?
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Lennon are Edwards both bad
Edwards was good
Lennon could be good
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Lennon are Edwards both bad
Edwards was good
Lennon could be good
Wha?
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Still enjoying the company of Richmond in Vegas...
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/293163/)
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Still enjoying the company of Richmond in Vegas...
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/293163/)
4th player in the pic is Kam McIntosh ;D
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Yes it's apparently from his account, probably why the others are tagged but he isn't...
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Yes it's apparently from his account, probably why the others are tagged but he isn't...
Please explain...
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Well I don't know much about these things but I'm guessing that as the owner of the account, he either couldn't, didn't have to or didn't bother to tag himself and just tagged the others...probably to alert their accounts to the photo on his page...
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Thanks.
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didn't bother to tag himself
The most likely scenario.
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Still enjoying the company of Richmond in Vegas...
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/293163/)
4th player in the pic is Kam McIntosh ;D
Cute
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Still enjoying the company of Richmond in Vegas...
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/293163/)
You wouldn't even know they are professional sportsman from their rigs. We are a skinny bunch of players at the RFC. Get in the gym and put some muscle on FFS!
It's been the same for too long.
When you think about our KPP, except Rance, they are all to skinny. Look at Kennedy for WCE, he is a monster. Even Darling is bigger than our boys and he still moves better than them.
Dusty is a tank and still gets around the ground pretty well. It's time to beef some of our boys up to be able to compete better in the contest. We get pushed aside to easily in games.
We may even start to stick some tackles with a bit more muscles on our bones.
We need to forget this bruise free style of footy and become hunters again. Play players in their most dangerous positions and move it longer, more direct and quicker.
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Couldn't agree more. Kamdyn not too bad but Vlastuin and Lennon look like professional towel boys not professional athletes. Has Lennon got some man boobage going on?
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You'd think they'd be running of weights or something.
Nope.
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They train for functional strength and endurance not posing at the beach you idiots.
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And they train well
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They train for functional strength and endurance not posing at the beach you idiots.
You can have both.
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They should actually want to take their poo to another level.
If they had any pride.....
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They should actually want to take their poo to another level.
If they had any pride.....
Bare minimums. Its cultural
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Look at Kennedy for WCE, he is a monster.
Wat? Kennedy ain't no monster
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It is a fine balance. In rugby league, they train for power as it is short bursts, they can afford the bulk. In rugby union you will see a combination, some of the speediest bastards I have seen play union. In AFL you need mobility, endurance and strength you cannot afford to carry too much bulk beyond the natural size of your frame. In the photo, they are relaxed, they have long lean muscle, good stretching and body weight training will give you that, and it is very deceptive. Callisthenics/gymnastics builds the strongest most functional bodies you will find.
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It is a fine balance. In rugby league, they train for power as it is short bursts, they can afford the bulk. In rugby union you will see a combination, some of the speediest bastards I have seen play union. In AFL you need mobility, endurance and strength you cannot afford to carry too much bulk beyond the natural size of your frame. In the photo, they are relaxed, they have long lean muscle, good stretching and body weight training will give you that, and it is very deceptive. Callisthenics/gymnastics builds the strongest most functional bodies you will find.
You're making to much sense for this forum. Please refrain from posting anything like this again.
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I forgot myself
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Owl has the best set of peepers going round. Can spot a mouse in pitch blackness from 2000m
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Owl has the best set of peepers going round. Can spot a mouse in pitch blackness from 2000m
And he is fantastic! :shh
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Owl has the best set of peepers going round. Can spot a mouse in pitch blackness from 2000m
And he is fantastic! :shh
Lol ;D
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LOL at Morris/Lennon etc being trained like a gymnast. Now it all makes sense :rollin
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Conca is the club champ at the Ribbon event.
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Conca is the club champ at the Ribbon event.
:lol
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LOL at Morris/Lennon etc being trained like a gymnast. Now it all makes sense :rollin
LOL they can do cartwheels
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Owl has the best set of peepers going round. Can spot a mouse in pitch blackness from 2000m
And he is fantastic! :shh
>:( I love you too
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THE RUMOUR FILE:
- Carlton has been linked to Richmond mid-sized forward Ben Lennon. Although he is contracted for another season, he has informed Richmond that he wants to start afresh at another club.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLTRDON/
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THE RUMOUR FILE:
- Carlton has been linked to Richmond mid-sized forward Ben Lennon. Although he is contracted for another season, he has informed Richmond that he wants to start afresh at another club.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLTRDON/
what a strange turn of events, who would of even considered this turn up
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THE RUMOUR FILE:
- Carlton has been linked to Richmond mid-sized forward Ben Lennon. Although he is contracted for another season, he has informed Richmond that he wants to start afresh at another club.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLTRDON/
what a strange turn of events, who would of even considered this turn up
What was he? pick 8, his development at RFC has been disgraceful.
Good luck to him
and BTW lets stick it to Carlton for the Yarran deal
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THE RUMOUR FILE:
- Carlton has been linked to Richmond mid-sized forward Ben Lennon. Although he is contracted for another season, he has informed Richmond that he wants to start afresh at another club.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLTRDON/
what a strange turn of events, who would of even considered this turn up
What was he? pick 8, his development at RFC has been disgraceful.
Good luck to him
and BTW lets stick it to Carlton for the Yarran deal
Pick 12.....If they want him we should make them pay so a first round pick in return will do.
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yep first rounder for Lennon just like yarran.... Lennon has a year left on a contract that the tigers busted there guts to keep him unreal should have just let him go in the first place no point having players there that don't want to me there
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Good to know somebody is interested.
Pick 6 and Lennon for Cripps.
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yep first rounder for Lennon just like yarran.... Lennon has a year left on a contract that the tigers busted there guts to keep him unreal should have just let him go in the first place no point having players there that don't want to me there
I was thinking about this. Could they have done it to stop him going to the blues for nothing, knowing that a year later we hold all the cards? Or is that too much to ask that these fools at the RFC actually have a brain?
100% he is worth a first rounder after how much we have been bent over Hampson
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5 kilos of Potatoes for Lennon is a fair deal
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yep first rounder for Lennon just like yarran.... Lennon has a year left on a contract that the tigers busted there guts to keep him unreal should have just let him go in the first place no point having players there that don't want to me there
I was thinking about this. Could they have done it to stop him going to the blues for nothing, knowing that a year later we hold all the cards? Or is that too much to ask that these fools at the RFC actually have a brain?
100% he is worth a first rounder after how much we have been bent over Hampson
No chance Carlton will give up their pick 5 in the draft. They might give us 22 for him though.... might
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5 kilos of Potatoes for Lennon is a fair deal
Yarran was worth more?
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THE RUMOUR FILE:
- Carlton has been linked to Richmond mid-sized forward Ben Lennon. Although he is contracted for another season, he has informed Richmond that he wants to start afresh at another club.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLTRDON/
Double Dutch treatment.
They stuff us - We stuff them.
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THE RUMOUR FILE:
- Carlton has been linked to Richmond mid-sized forward Ben Lennon. Although he is contracted for another season, he has informed Richmond that he wants to start afresh at another club.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLTRDON/
Double Dutch treatment.
They stuff us - We stuff them.
do we know how to stuff?
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we will probably keep and sit him in the ressies all year
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We will put him on the rookie list
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Ben Lennon is "assessing his options" according to Dan Richardson.
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We will put him on the rookie list
That has been done before at clubs
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Ben Lennon is "assessing his options" according to Dan Richardson.
No interest either
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this bloke needs a size 50 rocket up his back side and a bloody good shake up reality check.
give him a decent block of games and then lets see.
He went alright at the start but has been richmondified
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this bloke needs a size 50 rocket up his back side and a bloody good shake up reality check.
give him a decent block of games and then lets see.
He went alright at the start but has been richmondified
Perhaps yarren can mentor him
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this bloke needs a size 50 rocket up his back side and a bloody good shake up reality check.
give him a decent block of games and then lets see.
is gifting him a block of games what will give him the proverbial rocket up the clacker and shake up or is there a paragraph missing?
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this bloke needs a size 50 rocket up his back side and a bloody good shake up reality check.
give him a decent block of games and then lets see.
is gifting him a block of games what will give him the proverbial rocket up the clacker and shake up or is there a paragraph missing?
:clapping
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You have been a lazy, naughty boy! here have a decent block games as punishment lol
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We need a detailed analysis from chuck.
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Cbf
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To really punish Lennon we could just name him Captain! :help :santa
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So - do we assume nobody wants the boy ?
Have some trade value last year ....zero this year.
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Cbf
This is actually an accurate analysis of Lennon.
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Cbf
This is actually an accurate analysis of Lennon.
And the main reason no club is willing to pay anything reasonable to get him. The main characteristic clubs look at now is actually your character. They want hard working individuals, not players that expect to be given a free ride.
I am disappointed in Lennon. I think he has oodles of talent. I just wished instead of sooking he went back to the VFL and tore it up forcing Derwood to pick him.
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stuff this gimp
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As I have said many times
Should of moved him on last year
Not an AFL player
End of story
The other 17 clubs think he is a complete DUD
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As I have said many times
Should of moved him on last year
Not an AFL player
End of story
The other 17 clubs think he is a complete DUD
How good, another example of our fine recuiting and development..
stuffin rabble
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Interesting that the clubs he has spoken to say he thinks he is superstar
They say bad attitude
Not for us 😉
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Interesting that the clubs he has spoken to say he thinks he is superstar
They say bad attitude
Not for us 😉
Could be the turning point in his career. When he realises he actually ain't all that.
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Interesting that the clubs he has spoken to say he thinks he is superstar
They say bad attitude
Not for us 😉
Could be the turning point in his career. When he realises he actually ain't all that.
You ain't all that and a bag of potatoe chips...ah ha ah ha
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I hope he stays.
I don't believe all this talk about him. I know someone that knows him and they say he is a confident kid but still has a pretty good attitude about how much work it takes to be a good AFL player.
Hardwick is not a fan and that would make it hard on a kid IMO to be seen to be jumping out of your skin about everything football.
I'd prefer to see Halfwit go and see if another coach could get the best of if him. About round 14 next year sounds about right.
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I would prefer some decent friggen players that don't get ahead of themselves and waste the clubs time and resources with their millenial self entitled wank
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I remember watching his draft video before we got him and thought what a knob, then that AFL doco with him and his mates Billings and McDonald just confirmed to me what an absolute t1t he is. No doubt he has skill which he has shown but what a figjam. I reckon he'll be alright with a good kick up the arse.
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he is a confident kid but still has a pretty good attitude about how much work it takes to be a good AFL player.
:thumbsup :shh
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Q. Any interest out there around Ben Lennon, after his big call of wanting to leave the Tiges? Could he end up at GC?
A. (https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f369.png)
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/with_replies
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I hope he stays.
I don't believe all this talk about him. I know someone that knows him and they say he is a confident kid but still has a pretty good attitude about how much work it takes to be a good AFL player.
Know a couple of young blokes who played juniors with him and they acknowledged him as a good young footballer but that was the only decent thing they had to say about him.
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Just wrote an article about himself:
http://www.sportsta.me/afl/2016/10/13/my-desire-to-prove-myself/
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Just wrote an article about himself:
http://www.sportsta.me/afl/2016/10/13/my-desire-to-prove-myself/
Nice one Ben :thumbsup
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Good on him. My only defense is that it must be demoralising to play under a coach who seemingly doesn't have any time for him. At 21, as your first experience in the work force, no one can tell me that is going to help put your best foot forward. My hope is that he can improve and the coach can also improve him by showing some encouragement and building his confidence.
At some point, the lack of improvement in our younger players has to draw a line under someone's name at the club who has some responsibility for their development.
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sick of everyone blaming the coach for poo players lol
If he pulls his finger out like he says and comes good for us, awesome
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sick of everyone blaming the coach for poo players lol
If he pulls his finger out like he says and comes good for us, awesome
Hear what you are saying but our lack of players coming through is showing a disappointing trend, maybe the finger needs to be pointed.
Would you know how many vfa games Dimma attended this year? I didnt see him at one game.
If you are passionate about it surely you would go to some games?
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What a load of rubbish.
Dimma was at plenty of VFL games
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sick of everyone blaming the coach for poo players lol
If he pulls his finger out like he says and comes good for us, awesome
Hear what you are saying but our lack of players coming through is showing a disappointing trend, maybe the finger needs to be pointed.
Would you know how many vfa games Dimma attended this year? I didnt see him at one game.
If you are passionate about it surely you would go to some games?
I attended 7 games and he was at every match along with other coaches and players. This has been the case every year he has been in charge.
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sick of everyone blaming the coach for poo players lol
If he pulls his finger out like he says and comes good for us, awesome
I'm sick of it as well.
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sick of everyone blaming the coach for poo players lol
If he pulls his finger out like he says and comes good for us, awesome
Hear what you are saying but our lack of players coming through is showing a disappointing trend, maybe the finger needs to be pointed.
Would you know how many vfa games Dimma attended this year? I didnt see him at one game.
If you are passionate about it surely you would go to some games?
Are you still attending the Coburg games by any chance?
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sick of everyone blaming the coach for poo players lol
If he pulls his finger out like he says and comes good for us, awesome
Hear what you are saying but our lack of players coming through is showing a disappointing trend, maybe the finger needs to be pointed.
Would you know how many vfa games Dimma attended this year? I didnt see him at one game.
If you are passionate about it surely you would go to some games?
I attended 7 games and he was at every match along with other coaches and players. This has been the case every year he has been in charge.
Likewise
All coaches attended each week , unless it clashed with a VFL Game
Will say I didn't see Cotchin at any , but hey that's another issue
Plenty of his team mates attended though
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Like the good ship misses chimp
"says there is more to life than football
Everybody luv eb pls
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sick of everyone blaming the coach for poo players lol
If he pulls his finger out like he says and comes good for us, awesome
I'm sick of it as well.
I'm just sick
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sick of everyone blaming the coach for poo players lol
If he pulls his finger out like he says and comes good for us, awesome
Hear what you are saying but our lack of players coming through is showing a disappointing trend, maybe the finger needs to be pointed.
Would you know how many vfa games Dimma attended this year? I didnt see him at one game.
If you are passionate about it surely you would go to some games?
Are you still attending the Coburg games by any chance?
:lol :clapping
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sick of everyone blaming the coach for poo players lol
If he pulls his finger out like he says and comes good for us, awesome
Hear what you are saying but our lack of players coming through is showing a disappointing trend, maybe the finger needs to be pointed.
Would you know how many vfa games Dimma attended this year? I didnt see him at one game.
If you are passionate about it surely you would go to some games?
Are you still attending the Coburg games by any chance?
lol vg
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sick of everyone blaming the coach for poo players lol
If he pulls his finger out like he says and comes good for us, awesome
I'm sick of it as well.
I'm just sick
Honey and lemon drinks help the flu for me. Mental illness like being an RFC addict I can do nothing about.
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sick of everyone blaming the coach for poo players lol
If he pulls his finger out like he says and comes good for us, awesome
Hear what you are saying but our lack of players coming through is showing a disappointing trend, maybe the finger needs to be pointed.
Would you know how many vfa games Dimma attended this year? I didnt see him at one game.
If you are passionate about it surely you would go to some games?
Are you still attending the Coburg games by any chance?
Sorry just re read this, i didn't see him at ONE game, sandy vs Tiges
Interesting to note that you all say Cotch has been to none.
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Pretty poor of Cotchin if true
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The only games i have seen Cotchin at have been at PRO.
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Probably thinks he sees enough of below standard players in the yellow and black when he plays
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BEN LENNON UPDATE
Our man Gilbert Gardiner with an update on Ben Lennon.
LUCKLESS Richmond forward Ben Lennon is clinging to hope a last-minute trade can be struck in his bid for a fresh start.
The 21-year-old has attracted little interest, but his manager, Anthony McConville, remains hopeful something could be done before Thursday's 2pm trade deadline.
Lennon is contracted at Punt Rd for next year.
"That's still up in the air as to whether he'll actually be afforded that opportunity, obviously we've got until Thursday to seek another opportunity out there for him," McConville told the Herald Sun.
"At this point in time that's slow with regards to the interest and obviously we'll continue to work through that with not only Ben but also with the club (Richmond) to seek out another opportunity.
"I think it's a long shot at this point in time. I just think it's really more about all the other trades getting done potentially to free up some picks and whatever else from another club, hopefully, but we'll see."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-get-the-latest-news-and-rumours-and-see-the-deals-as-they-happen/news-story/513fbd1308055631c6a3a7d44a05ab7b
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sly little prick
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Seriously Ben
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So his manager helps him to write the letter to show what a great guy he is and now wants the trade....or am i being cynical?
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No-one wants him :lol
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No-one wants him :lol
If he stays let's hope that this is the kick in the arse he needs
( Corrected as per below )
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He'd be pretty stiff to cop a kick in the arise.....
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No-one wants him :lol
They do
They want him cheap
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So his manager helps him to write the letter to show what a great guy he is and now wants the trade....or am i being cynical?
Always wanted the trade
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Just heard Taylor Adams wanted to come to Punt Road but we (Hackson) chose Lennon instead
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Just heard Taylor Adams wanted to come to Punt Road but we (Hackson) chose Lennon instead
I'm just about Lennons biggest critic but on talent Lennon is probably > Adams. What I mean is, Hackson doesn't deserve all the credit for that complete disaster.
#developmentstaff
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#lennonshouldpullhisfingerout
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Deledio's natural successor.... :shh
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Now play the lad & bring out his ability. The lad can play football & need to play a role.
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Welcome to Tigerland Ben.
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Not unhappy about this
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Ben has ability...hopefully Dimma will be gone by the end of the year and the next Coach will see something in him and exploit it.
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Mail is no one was even slightly interested in him
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Mail is no one was even slightly interested in him
Given that there wasn't even a single peep about him during the entire trade period that's a fair assumption.
Goes to show this kid might need to adjust his attitude somewhat. Even if poorly coached a talented player his age would attract attention.
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poorly coached my hairy arse. Pisspoor excuse. What happened with Markov and Rioli then, first year and they were able to cope and yet mister talent to burn looked like a rabbit in the headlights. stuffing hilarious.
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poorly coached my hairy arse. peepoor excuse. What happened with Markov and Rioli then, first year and they were able to cope and yet mister talent to burn looked like a rabbit in the headlights. stuffing hilarious.
Correct
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Agree needs to focus and get in to it and hopefully with new assistants fits in kid has talent to burn.
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poorly coached my hairy arse. peepoor excuse. What happened with Markov and Rioli then, first year and they were able to cope and yet mister talent to burn looked like a rabbit in the headlights. stuffing hilarious.
That's why I said 'even IF poorly coached...'
I think he has attitude problems. Probably a Deledio MKII in more ways than one...
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I stand by my statement. Too much tail wagging the dog going on imo.
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poorly coached my hairy arse. peepoor excuse. What happened with Markov and Rioli then, first year and they were able to cope and yet mister talent to burn looked like a rabbit in the headlights. stuffing hilarious.
Correct
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That article he wrote was cringe worthy and came across as rather narcissistic I thought ("A lot has been written about me in the media... etc.")
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I hope and pray he has a big pre season and let's his football do the talking, has the skills but not the attitude
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Somebody just has to stomp on his ego - which is probably was Hardwick did let's face it
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We need someone to stomp on Halfstep's ego....a good sacking should do the trick....
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poorly coached my hairy arse. peepoor excuse. What happened with Markov and Rioli then, first year and they were able to cope and yet mister talent to burn looked like a rabbit in the headlights. stuffing hilarious.
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That article he wrote was cringe worthy and came across as rather narcissistic I thought ("A lot has been written about me in the media... etc.")
x3
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I think he's a lazy prick and a bit limp wristed in his application. If you don't believe me just watch him throw a javelin. :rollin
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Hates Dimma
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Hates Dimma
Yep.
Thinks he can't coach.
How preposterous! :lol
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Hates Dimma
Has something in common with all of us then
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Hates Dimma
Has something in common with all of us then
Speak for yourself
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I think he's a lazy prick and a bit limp wristed in his application. If you don't believe me just watch him throw a javelin. :rollin
I heard he has a great fence painting technique
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Saw this article from October. Lennon opening up about his footy career to date.
My desire to prove myself
Ben Lennon
Contributor Exclusive
Sportsta
13/10/2016
There’s been a lot written in the media recently about where I might - or might not - be playing next season and whatever happens, I’m already preparing for it to be the season I show who I really am.
The start to my footy career hasn’t lived up to what I planned when I was picked up by Richmond in the draft three-years-ago – and it shouldn’t come as a surprise to hear me say that’s been challenging.
So far my record shows I have played ‘only’ 19 games in three seasons, and I’m painfully aware there’s been more written about my injuries and setbacks than any on-field achievements.
However, I’ve learnt a lot from those 19 matches, the first lesson was the reality of footy. I’ve found out the hard way it’s a tough sport and anyone who pulls on the boots needs to accept injuries are part of the deal.
I’ve also learnt to appreciate playing the game. You learn a lot about yourself in rehab because it is so frustrating . . . there’s a sense of Groundhog Day in having to do the same monotonous exercises over and over and over . . . but the fact I’ve refused to give up ought to suggest to even the harshest critic I’m determined to make it.
Some of the guys I play alongside at Richmond have proven to be positive forces, especially Reece Conca, who has helped put things into perspective whenever I’ve been sidelined.
I’m grateful he’s always been available for our deep and meaningful conversations and that he’s also been willing to draw upon his own experiences.
Hearing him talk about his personal trials and tribulations allowed for me to see there’s light at the end of what’s sometimes been a long and dark tunnel.
As for Richmond, the club, regardless of what the future holds I’m so grateful that the Tigers saw something in me all those years ago.
Richmond has allowed for me to appreciate what it takes to make the cut. The coaches have – and they still do – make time for me and passed on words of wisdom that I know will hold me in good stead for the rest of my career.
The other day I was asked what I offer a team and my response was “vibrancy.”
Like anyone else I want security and stability so I’d certainly like for my future to be sorted out as quickly as possible.
Until then I’d like for those people who’ve supported me through thick and thin to know I’m training hard, and that it’s my every intention to be playing top-level football next season.
The good news is that I’m heading into the summer fresh and fit . . . something that I’m afraid hasn’t been the ‘norm’ over the last three years.
I’m using this time wisely, by working hard on a few aspects of my game the Tigers want me to focus on.
I’ve linked up with a sprint coach and also a personal trainer to improve my speed and endurance.
I’m doing a sprint session once a week, endurance sessions twice a week and getting smashed with a brutal cross-training session once a week.
While I finish most days feeling knackered I’m pleased to say I feel a sense of enormous satisfaction in knowing that physically I’m getting to the level where I want to be.
Something that makes me dig deep during each of these sessions is knowing how much I want to play in the AFL.
I’m motivated to keep going when it’d be so easy to give up because, fitness-wise, this is the first opportunity I’ve ever had to catch up to the other players.
You see, I’m excited to think I might be able to show everyone what I’m capable of with a full pre-season under my belt.
The other day I was asked what I offer a team and my response was “vibrancy.” I’m only 21, one of my strengths is that I can get around the team. I believe I’m skilful and know that I can definitely make things happen at centre-forward.
From having to bounce back from the setback of injuries, and from being hammered in these extra fitness sessions I’m doing I also realise I have an insatiable desire to prove myself as a consistent performer in the AFL.
I’m putting my best foot forward for 2017 - and beyond - I see this as the beginning of my career and I am putting in the hard yards to ensure I’ll be ready for it.
- Ben Lennon, exclusively for Sportsta.
https://www.sportsta.me/afl/2016/10/13/my-desire-to-prove-myself/
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Good he might have pulled his finger out.
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Good he might have pulled his finger out.
As a columnist?
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yes
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Ben Lennon wants to establish himself as a Richmond player after requesting a trade
Michael Warner,
Herald Sun
January 2, 2017
BEN Lennon requested a trade out of Richmond at the end of the season, but the phone never rang.
For a first-round draft pick once rated higher than his TAC Cup teammate Marcus Bontempelli, it was a sobering experience.
“It was a weird time,” Lennon, 21, reflected this week.
“I was away with (teammate) Kamdyn McIntosh in America and I was always thinking about it — where am I going to be?
“My manager (Anthony McConville) rang me up and said: ‘Look mate, it’s not looking likely that you’ll be able to go’.
“I sort of thought, I better get my head around this. It might be a little bit awkward.”
Injuries and a bout of glandular fever haven’t helped, but Lennon is the first to admit his AFL journey so far hasn’t been what he expected.
“I didn’t think that it would pan out the way it has,” he says.
“But all good sportsmen go through hard things ... so I’ve got to look at it like that and work as hard as I can to hopefully become the player that I think I can be.”
Lennon’s talent has never been questioned, but rival recruiters did query his work ethic.
He’s managed just 19 senior games across three seasons on the Tigers’ list.
Some hard truths were delivered when Lennon met coach Damien Hardwick for his end-of-season exit interview.
“We sat down and he just sort of said that he thought it might be a good idea if I look elsewhere, like he thinks I’ll be a player but, you know, if you think it’s in your best interests to look around, then try and do that,” Lennon said.
It sort of just clicked that if I don’t do something about my career, it’s going to be gone.
- Ben Lennon
“I knew that it might be a good option to look elsewhere, but ... hearing it from the head coach that you might not be in the plan is initially a bit hard to take.
“I remember just asking him where did I best suit the team? It’s not that he couldn’t give me an answer, it’s just that I felt like I might be able to get a better opportunity at a different club.”
It wasn’t the first time Hardwick had delivered tough news.
After stringing together eight consecutive games, including a three-goal return against St Kilda, Lennon was dropped unexpectedly for the 2014 elimination final against North Melbourne.
“I guess it does look like a part of the pattern — I’ve had a few ups and downs since I’ve been here,” he says.
Was that the lowest moment of his career?
“I think so — I played eight or nine games in a row and it would have been the biggest game I would have played in.
“Thinking you are going to be playing and all of a sudden you are in the stands — it was a pretty hard time.”
But with just one season left on his contract, Lennon gives the impression the penny has dropped.
He hired a private sprint coach after the trade period fiasco and returned to the club in the best shape of his life.
“Over the break, especially when I didn’t get a trade, it sort of just clicked that if I don’t do something about my career, it’s going to be gone,” he says.
“This is as good as I’ve felt in the four years that I’ve been the club ... and my mindset has helped as well.”
The only thing I can do now is work as hard as I can and play the footy that the club probably expects.
- Ben Lennon
He’s struck up a bond with returned assistant coach Justin Leppitsch.
“I tend to think about things a lot and he’s just told me to just play the game and play on instincts,” he says of the former Brisbane coach.
“He reckons I’ve got the talent and that if I can work hard on my deficiencies and let my strengths do the talking, I’ll be right.
“It gives me good confidence that someone up above — along with Dimma — is hopefully going to back me in.”
Does he have doubts?
“I don’t think it’s doubts, it’s more frustration in that I haven’t been able to show what I can do.
“But at times I do sort of think, ‘Oh s---, I should be starting to put some games together’.
“The coach got into contact with me (after the trade period) and just said he will do everything he can to make me a player and gave me confidence that I’m still a required player.
“The only thing I can do now is work as hard as I can and play the footy that the club probably expects.”
The sudden departure of Chris Yarran was another eye-opener.
“It definitely puts life into perspective,” Lennon says.
“It’s never easy seeing someone give away the game, especially someone like Chris, who is so talented and plays such good footy when he’s up and about.
“It was tough and I guess we don’t know the extent of everything he was going through.
“He was a pretty private person — it was hard because you didn’t know whether to put your arm around him or just let him work it out himself.
“That’s one of the things we have identified that we need to get better at — telling people when you are struggling — because everyone can relate to it at a footy club.”
Lennon has been training as a high half-forward, pinch-hitting in the midfield, and says the arrival of new players like Josh Caddy and Dion Prestia has changed the dynamic.
“Without any disrespect to people who were here last year, it just feels like the vibe around the club is really good,” he says.
“We’ve got a young list and that just gives you excitement.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/ben-lennon-wants-to-establish-himself-as-a-richmond-player-after-requesting-a-trade/news-story/76c51b374b5b19df8f0926cb32015452
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This guy still around is he?
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As tough as a soggy flamonge
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I'd prefer to watch footy with this kid playing than Grigg, Houli, Hampson and Hunt.
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I'd prefer to watch footy with this kid playing than Grigg, Houli, Hampson and Hunt.
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I'd prefer to watch footy with this kid playing than Grigg, Houli, Hampson and Hunt.
Going to cop it for this with some very predictable shots but eh, say what you want about skill but at least Hampson, Houli and Hunt (maybe Grigg it's hard to tell) actually try which at this point in time put them ahead of Lennon. You can't have people with no effort/intensity just plodding around the field.
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Not defending Lennon's lack of work ethic and I concede Hunt, as shyte as he is, at least has a crack but I'd hardly hold up the other three as exemplars of effort & intensity....
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Hamspon doesnt need effort, he's the best option .....
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Every club needs an icon to look up to at training
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Every club needs an icon to look up to at training
The giant inflatable phallus on the roof of the Jack Dyer stand is just a few days away....
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Not defending Lennon's lack of work ethic and I concede Hunt, as shyte as he is, at least has a crack but I'd hardly hold up the other three as exemplars of effort & intensity....
You're right, especially re: Shaun "hands on hips" Hampson. Was comparing them to Lennon in my mind and automatically thought they were workhorses. Houli as poo scared as he usually is at least puts in effort
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I'd prefer to watch footy with this kid playing than Grigg, Houli, Hampson and Hunt.
Going to cop it for this with some very predictable shots but eh, say what you want about skill but at least Hampson, Houli and Hunt (maybe Grigg it's hard to tell) actually try which at this point in time put them ahead of Lennon. You can't have people with no effort/intensity just plodding around the field.
All the guys mentioned are plodders which will never improve or improve our side. At least playing a kid with huge upside that potentially needs to work a bit harder is the way to go for a side in our position?? The boy needs to be coached properly!.... I'm sorry but if a kid in his 4th year still has work rate issues, it's a coaching issue.
The used by date has well and truely expired on all those players mentioned at AFL level.
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I'd prefer to watch footy with this kid playing than Grigg, Houli, Hampson and Hunt.
Going to cop it for this with some very predictable shots but eh, say what you want about skill but at least Hampson, Houli and Hunt (maybe Grigg it's hard to tell) actually try which at this point in time put them ahead of Lennon. You can't have people with no effort/intensity just plodding around the field.
All the guys mentioned are plodders which will never improve or improve our side. At least playing a kid with huge upside that potentially needs to work a bit harder is the way to go for a side in our position?? The boy needs to be coached properly!.... I'm sorry but if a kid in his 4th year still has work rate issues, it's a coaching issue.
The used by date has well and truely expired on all those players mentioned at AFL level.
Whilst I whole heartedly agree i still get very confused why some supporters fly the flag for these type of players
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Yep, I can't get my head around why people want to play kids who don't even try. Surely the bare minimum is to at least put in effort?
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I get it.
Lennon has potential if he gets his poo together, however unlikely that I is. Hacks can't get you anywhere, regardless of effort.
You might as well play Lennon over hacks. Neither are ideal but at least one has upside.
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SLICK WILLLLLLLLLLLLLLY
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SLICK WILLLLLLLLLLLLLLY
Look who's back!
:clapping
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SLICK WILLLLLLLLLLLLLLY
Look who's back!
:clapping
Yes. It was pretty obvious. All I was waiting for was a reference to Port Adelaide... :whistle
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You haven't mentioned being a doctor in 3 hours. Props to you
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You haven't mentioned being a doctor in 3 hours. Props to you
If you can actually find the last time I mentioned it, you might actually have some credibility. But you won't and that way you don't.
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Got him in one. Easier than a WAT bikie comment.
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Got him in one. Easier than a WAT bikie comment.
Got me? Don't kid yourself. It's a pity too because you often have something decent to say about our team and how it can improve. Unfortunately you intersperse these comments with other things like baiting, bullying and just being plain rude. You are a real disappointment Coach. Just like a player with lots of talent but who can rarely display it because of behavioural issues.
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I'm going to back him in.
If this kid gets some games early and gets a bit of confidence he will be our most improved player this year.
I just hope Houli and Grigg don't keep him out of the side until our season is over.
I'm not sure why I think Halfwit might have leant from last year but one can only hope.
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the only thing that will keep lennon out of the side is himself.
Effort and application should be non negotiable.
Yet some seem to think it isnt necessary if you have talent.
The kid clearly has talent, yet he wanted out and no one was prepared to come to the party. 17 teams had a chance to pick up this superstar in the making, yet no one did. Must be hardwicks fault
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Got him in one. Easier than a WAT bikie comment.
Got me? Don't kid yourself. It's a pity too because you often have something decent to say about our team and how it can improve. Unfortunately you intersperse these comments with other things like baiting, bullying and just being plain rude. You are a real disappointment Coach. Just like a player with lots of talent but who can rarely display it because of behavioural issues.
Ya a doc? I have a really big growth on my back, is it ok if I take a photo and PM it to you? will you tell me what it is?
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Hardwick is the Mark Chapman of coaches
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Got him in one. Easier than a WAT bikie comment.
Got me? Don't kid yourself. It's a pity too because you often have something decent to say about our team and how it can improve. Unfortunately you intersperse these comments with other things like baiting, bullying and just being plain rude. You are a real disappointment Coach. Just like a player with lots of talent but who can rarely display it because of behavioural issues.
Ya a doc? I have a really big growth on my back, is it ok if I take a photo and PM it to you? will you tell me what it is?
Lol. I don't do PM calls! ;D
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@benjamin_lennon putting in the work 💪🐯
(https://instagram.fmel2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/16123006_1381093185243802_8572881707819073536_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTQzMDg4MTU1Njg4OTAwMzAyOQ%3D%3D.2)
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'I've got a lot to prove': Tiger ramps up bid to cement spot
AFL.com.au
Feb 7, 2017
RICHMOND forward Ben Lennon says he has "a lot to prove" after failing to cement his spot since being selected as a first-round selection in 2013.
Lennon, 21, has been acknowledged as a player of much talent but has failed to play more than nine games in a season.
A variety of injuries troubled him last year, including shoulder surgery on his right AC joint.
"It's definitely frustrating watching from the stands. Whether it's injury or bad form, you just feel disappointed," Lennon told richmondfc.com.au.
"I feel like I've got a lot to prove this year and I'm just taking every training session as something to look forward to and try to get something out of it.
"Hopefully come the middle of the year, I'm not sitting in the stands, I'm actually out there so that's my main goal."
In 2015, Lennon played the final eight matches of the home and away season but was named as an emergency for the Tigers' losing elimination final versus North Melbourne.
"The hardest thing about not being selected in that game was playing in front of 100,000 people and if we did win, it would have been awesome to feel that success," he said.
"That spurs me on, to hopefully one day if we do make finals, that I'm not on the edge, I'm actually cemented in the team. It definitely drives me."
Lennon said this pre-season had been tracking a lot better than his previous three, and he had completed every session for the first time. He acknowledged a need to improve his defensive game, as well as his speed.
"I'm slowly chipping away at it (defensive work) and I feel like it's getting better," he said.
"That was another thing I identified, along with the coaches, at the end of last year – my speed.
"I had a family friend who is a sprint coach so I teed it up with him and it's held me in good stead.
"I still continue to do it after training with Peter Burge (physical performance manager) so hopefully that will help with the continuity of completing every session, and hopefully you'll see it in my games throughout the year."
Richmond went through a change in coaching personnel in the past few months, with former Brisbane Lions coach Justin Leppitsch returning to Punt Road as forwards coach.
"The club's a completely different place to what it was last year. That's no disrespect to the people that were here last year," Lennon said.
"I've really loved working with Justin Leppitsch. His knowledge of the game has been really great for me. I've been learning a lot off him and feel like I'm going to really enjoy playing for him this year."
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-02-07/ive-got-a-lot-to-prove-tiger-ramps-up-bid-to-cement-spot
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4 goals today in the intra-club.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-02-16/lennon-kicks-4
We'll find out in the real stuff if the penny has finally dropped. Let's hope so :pray.
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Feb champion
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I think people are forgetting how poorly this bloke was treated.
The situation has never been a one way street both parties have got it wrong.
He played 8 or 9 games in a row in 2015 and he showed plenty in some of them.But lo and behold was dropped on the eve of a final for favorites who had been injured for how long.
The kid spoke out to his detriment and he clearly did not have a good relationship with Hardwick and because of this he had to wait until rnd 17 in a year that was shot to get another game.Can people really blame him for wanting out at the end of last yr.
As i said it is not all Lennons fault the blame lies with both sides.
Personally i think he should be played as a fwd and he should in time be able to be a part of midfield rotations it has not come out at this level yet but i think there is a little bit of the Dal Santo about him.I really think he is the type who should be given a decent crack at it.Unlike most around here i think he has shown some good signs it has not all been bad.
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Balmey talking about Ben Lennon . . .
“He’s just not been able to do anywhere near what he thinks he’s capable of, and what we think he’s capable of (in his first three years of AFL football) . . . But he’s worked very hard over summer. He’s got a terrific, positive attitude, given all the bad luck and the stuff that’s happened to him . . .We’ll just give him a chance.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-02-16/a-tale-of-two-tiger-bens
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I think people are forgetting how poorly this bloke was treated.
The situation has never been a one way street both parties have got it wrong.
He played 8 or 9 games in a row in 2015 and he showed plenty in some of them.But lo and behold was dropped on the eve of a final for favorites who had been injured for how long.
The kid spoke out to his detriment and he clearly did not have a good relationship with Hardwick and because of this he had to wait until rnd 17 in a year that was shot to get another game.Can people really blame him for wanting out at the end of last yr.
As i said it is not all Lennons fault the blame lies with both sides.
Personally i think he should be played as a fwd and he should in time be able to be a part of midfield rotations it has not come out at this level yet but i think there is a little bit of the Dal Santo about him.I really think he is the type who should be given a decent crack at it.Unlike most around here i think he has shown some good signs it has not all been bad.
Very well said.
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I think people are forgetting how poorly this bloke was treated.
The situation has never been a one way street both parties have got it wrong.
He played 8 or 9 games in a row in 2015 and he showed plenty in some of them.But lo and behold was dropped on the eve of a final for favorites who had been injured for how long.
The kid spoke out to his detriment and he clearly did not have a good relationship with Hardwick and because of this he had to wait until rnd 17 in a year that was shot to get another game.Can people really blame him for wanting out at the end of last yr.
As i said it is not all Lennons fault the blame lies with both sides.
Personally i think he should be played as a fwd and he should in time be able to be a part of midfield rotations it has not come out at this level yet but i think there is a little bit of the Dal Santo about him.I really think he is the type who should be given a decent crack at it.Unlike most around here i think he has shown some good signs it has not all been bad.
Very well said.
Yep agree
Perfect summation Claw
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Balmey talking about Ben Lennon . . .
“He’s just not been able to do anywhere near what he thinks he’s capable of, and what we think he’s capable of (in his first three years of AFL football) . . . But he’s worked very hard over summer. He’s got a terrific, positive attitude, given all the bad luck and the stuff that’s happened to him . . .We’ll just give him a chance.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-02-16/a-tale-of-two-tiger-bens
A hell of a lot of people thought the world was flat once :huh
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I think people are forgetting how poorly this bloke was treated.
The situation has never been a one way street both parties have got it wrong.
He played 8 or 9 games in a row in 2015 and he showed plenty in some of them.But lo and behold was dropped on the eve of a final for favorites who had been injured for how long.
The kid spoke out to his detriment and he clearly did not have a good relationship with Hardwick and because of this he had to wait until rnd 17 in a year that was shot to get another game.Can people really blame him for wanting out at the end of last yr.
As i said it is not all Lennons fault the blame lies with both sides.
Personally i think he should be played as a fwd and he should in time be able to be a part of midfield rotations it has not come out at this level yet but i think there is a little bit of the Dal Santo about him.I really think he is the type who should be given a decent crack at it.Unlike most around here i think he has shown some good signs it has not all been bad.
Clawski :clapping
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He showed sweet FA claw, he was indifferent, thought it was his birthright to be out there and was found out. Went back to the seconds, as was correct, and got wounded. Maybe the penny has dropped and he won't act like a spoiled prick and pull his finger out. The tail doesn't wag the dog claw.
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He showed sweet FA claw, he was indifferent, thought it was his birthright to be out there and was found out. Went back to the seconds, as was correct, and got wounded. Maybe the penny has dropped and he won't act like a spoiled prick and pull his finger out. The tail doesn't wag the dog claw.
Disagree Owl. He was having a crack and showing a bit in that block of games (including 4? goals against Saints), then he got dropped for the elim for underdone Conca/Griffiths.
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I reckon he was inconsistent and looked lost half the time
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I reckon he was inconsistent and looked lost half the time
Perhaps. But forward flank/pocket isn't an easy position to stay involved all the time. You cant get cheap possies like you can on the back flank.
And I'm not saying he hasn't had application/attitude issues along the way, clearly he has, but I reckon Hardwick burned him there.
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Clearly has more talent than 75% of the squad.
Just needs to apply himself 100%.
If he does, he transforms the side....
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Clearly has more talent than 75% of the squad.
Just needs to apply himself 100%.
If he does, he transforms the side....
and therein lies the problem with the tigers and why we have been there done that before a million times.
When are we going to get smart and begin to recruit players who can apply themselves 60% and have an impact during the season ,so when we play finals they then apply themselves 100% and we win a couple.
Its pretty obvious that we have stuffed up with the template used to recruit players over the stretch. Where we have heard we only recruit solid citizens etc and then we end up with players who need to be spoon fed and nurtured etc. I mean take Dusty. Has carried a mountain on his shoulders over his career, with exepctation etc and then had the kitchen sink thrown at him with attempts to assassinate his character off field but rocks up every week and gets the job done like a pro.
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lmao at wanting to recruit players that go half arsed (or just above)
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lmao at wanting to recruit players that go half arsed (or just above)
Because against a bunch of highly skilled professional athletes, we're bound to find enough that go at 60% and still win enough games to get into finals. Then they can just flick the switch just like that
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lmao at wanting to recruit players that go half arsed (or just above)
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if they cut the mustard at half arsed yeah...unlike us who recruit 100% arsed players that get the 100% arse
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Let's just see how he goes this year, personally i've not been a fan in the past but people can change and improve. Its the last year of his contract, he's going to have to show a bit, he's got an opportunity now as that third tall forward, its in his hands.
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Let's just see how he goes this year, personally i've not been a fan in the past but people can change and improve. Its the last year of his contract, he's going to have to show a bit, he's got an opportunity now as that third tall forward, its in his hands.
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I was thinking more about 61.5% just so you don't get caught out, a couple of the safer games you can drop it to say 59.4% then for finals you ratchet it up to 100% then it's sunshine unicorns shitin rainbows and flowers and wins
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and sing'n "hey dude...." ?
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and smokin a splif
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Not doing so great tonight
Ordinary first half
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Woeful.
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Looks like he peaked in the intra club. Downhill from there
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Clearly has more talent than 75% of the squad.
Just needs to apply himself 100%.
If he does, he transforms the side....
Clearly has less talent
What's of real interest his " team work "
Contest near interchange tonight where Caddy was tells no him to peel off the contest and try and take man with him
Nah , he kept running into the contest with his opponent spoiling Caddy
Caddy just shook his head at all
There lies the problem
There is no I in the word team Ben
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where is claw and yellow and black blood lol I won't poo stir, he still might come good
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where is claw and yellow and black blood lol I won't poo stir, he still might come good
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where is claw and yellow and black blood lol I won't poo stir, he still might come good
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Cue the Harwdick has ruined him posts
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where is claw and yellow and black blood lol I won't poo stir, he still might come good
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Cue the DimWit has ruined him posts
Efa
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Poor game by Lennon. Mind you, the Adelaide backline is one of the very best in the AFL. Even Jack struggled to get into the game until late. The guy needs to be backed in by Hardwick in the next couple of games. He does have the talent. The example given by Jackstar of not listening to Caddy is an example of application not talent.
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Poor game by Lennon. Mind you, the Adelaide backline is one of the very best in the AFL. Even Jack struggled to get into the game until late. The guy needs to be backed in by Hardwick in the next couple of games. He does have the talent. The example given by Jackstar of not listening to Caddy is an example of application not talent.
Good post.
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was at the ground and watched him closely....he actually worked hard defensively, probably more than he ever has, but just couldn't get his hands on it...was too deep, seem to play more as a fwd pocket (aka starvation corner) than half forward....got frustrated an unsure of hmsel when he realiseed he wasn't getting it enough and started to do the Tambling tapdance of uncertainty/witness waltz arund the edges of contests....main point is contrary to popular assumption he wasn't willfully bludging ....he also needs to ask for his money back from that sprint coach he hired...fast game on a fast ground did him no favours.....I'd like to see him put on ball when he's not getting it.....yes from an attacking point of view it just wasn't good enough but he should be persisted with.....blokes like BEllis, Hunt , Griffiths & Grigg should be dropped before he is...they've had more than enough chances...
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was at the ground and watched him closely....he actually worked hard defensively, probably more than he ever has, but just couldn't get his hands on it...was too deep, seem to play more as a fwd pocket (aka starvation corner) than half forward....got frustrated an unsure of hmsel when he realiseed he wasn't getting it enough and started to do the Tambling tapdance of uncertainty/witness waltz arund the edges of contests....main point is contrary to popular assumption he wasn't willfully bludging ....he also needs to ask for his money back from that sprint coach he hired...fast game on a fast ground did him no favours.....I'd like to see him put on ball when he's not getting it.....yes from an attacking point of view it just wasn't good enough but he should be persisted with.....blokes like BEllis, Hunt , Griffiths & Grigg should be dropped before he is...they've had more than enough chances...
Grigg played very well last night on the back of a great pre season
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was at the ground and watched him closely....he actually worked hard defensively, probably more than he ever has, but just couldn't get his hands on it...was too deep, seem to play more as a fwd pocket (aka starvation corner) than half forward....got frustrated an unsure of hmsel when he realiseed he wasn't getting it enough and started to do the Tambling tapdance of uncertainty/witness waltz arund the edges of contests....main point is contrary to popular assumption he wasn't willfully bludging ....he also needs to ask for his money back from that sprint coach he hired...fast game on a fast ground did him no favours.....I'd like to see him put on ball when he's not getting it.....yes from an attacking point of view it just wasn't good enough but he should be persisted with.....blokes like BEllis, Hunt , Griffiths & Grigg should be dropped before he is...they've had more than enough chances...
Grigg played very well last night on the back of a great pre season
Grigga was BOG for mine
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Haha turn it up.....
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Poor game by Lennon. Mind you, the Adelaide backline is one of the very best in the AFL. Even Jack struggled to get into the game until late. The guy needs to be backed in by Hardwick in the next couple of games. He does have the talent. The example given by Jackstar of not listening to Caddy is an example of application not talent.
as opposed to all his awesome ones?
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Poor game by Lennon. Mind you, the Adelaide backline is one of the very best in the AFL. Even Jack struggled to get into the game until late. The guy needs to be backed in by Hardwick in the next couple of games. He does have the talent. The example given by Jackstar of not listening to Caddy is an example of application not talent.
as opposed to all his awesome ones?
Are you on the turps again?
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Haha turn it up.....
Wowee!
Grigg best on.
He gets heaps of it but he just bombs it forward. Most of his kicks hit his ankle not his actual foot.
pee him off. Play the quick skillful kids.
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was at the ground and watched him closely....he actually worked hard defensively, probably more than he ever has, but just couldn't get his hands on it...was too deep, seem to play more as a fwd pocket (aka starvation corner) than half forward....got frustrated an unsure of hmsel when he realiseed he wasn't getting it enough and started to do the Tambling tapdance of uncertainty/witness waltz arund the edges of contests....main point is contrary to popular assumption he wasn't willfully bludging ....he also needs to ask for his money back from that sprint coach he hired...fast game on a fast ground did him no favours.....I'd like to see him put on ball when he's not getting it.....yes from an attacking point of view it just wasn't good enough but he should be persisted with.....blokes like BEllis, Hunt , Griffiths & Grigg should be dropped before he is...they've had more than enough chances...
Grigg played very well last night on the back of a great pre season
Grigga was BOG for mine
Totally agree
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Poor game by Lennon. Mind you, the Adelaide backline is one of the very best in the AFL. Even Jack struggled to get into the game until late. The guy needs to be backed in by Hardwick in the next couple of games. He does have the talent. The example given by Jackstar of not listening to Caddy is an example of application not talent.
Agree, needs to be given a go (again)
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Grigga was BOG for mine
Totally agree
Totally disagree
;D
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Grigga was BOG for mine
Totally agree
Totally disagree
;D
Grigg isn't a premiership type player. He's more of the list clogger type that never gets you past middle of the road. No doubt he's developed his game into a more consistent player but unfortunately lacks the extra polish to make a team better and mostly kills momentum.
Lennon is just a frustrating piece of crap. He may have talent and skill but doesn't know how to apply it. A player that might have had it all given to him because of that potential but never really worked hard for it. A player that has developed a sense of entitlement.
Even if I had a choice I dont even know which is worse - Both these types won't win you a premiership and shouldn't be persisted with in the long term. Both are also excellent trade bait for a club as dumb as Richmond to fall in love with. :rollin
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We tried to trade Lennon - no takers and Grigg is 30 years old so who would take him? Trade bait is often used to describe the equivalent of a lists hard rubbish collevtion
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We tried to trade Lennon - no takers and Grigg is 30 years old so who would take him? Trade bait is often used to describe the equivalent of a lists hard rubbish collevtion
I forgot to mention when players have currency but I did mention clubs that are dumb enough.
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Think Grigg cops a bit for being played when he shouldn't. He isn't going to take us further but if he was a "break glass in case of emergency" player I think most here would be more willing to accept him. Unfortunately he's treated like an elite player because he can get the ball but he just isn't dangerous enough or have any potential to continually be a first choice best 22
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10 disposals (7k, 3h, 70% eff.)
2 marks (1 in50)
3 tackles
3 clangers
2 goal assists
2 goals himself.
How did we all rate Lennon's game tonight?
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Good. Nothing wrong with those numbers at all especially the 2 goals and assists
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Had a good crack at the contest which is the important thing. Hope he stays in and plays well because he is so dangerous around goals
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Persist.
Has something. Just need to bring it out.
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Rinse and repeat please Brn
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AFL website listed Lennon in our bests.
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No coincidence he came into the game more after Griffiths went off..... :shh
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He was symbolic of the team tonight. Missing in the first half before standing up and delivering when it mattered in the second half.
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Laid a couple of sensational tackles
More please
And gee his kicking is excellent
Well done young man
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Good game. Deserves to hold his place in the team.
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Ben Lennon gets his chance
For a player who arrived at Punt Road Oval with high hopes as a No.12 draft pick, Ben Lennon has not made his mark in three full seasons. His fourth year shapes as a career-defining one and Thursday night was a step in the right direction. His moment to step up came late in the third quarter. The Tigers had their tails up but they needed someone to seize the moment when Lennon cleverly intercepted Tyson Goldsack's kick in. He lined up from 48m and converted, giving Richmond the lead for the first time since early in the second quarter. It was a turning point in the match and has the potential to spark Lennon's season, with the 21-year-old finishing with one goal (could have been two but he failed to get a toe on the ball as Bachar Houli's long shot dribbled through) and three score assists.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-30/five-talking-points-richmond-v-collingwood
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What took his game to a level above what he's ever produced was his pressure and intent to at least make a contest. Few balls he got his hands to he dropped but once he feels like he should be out there I'm sure he'll stick them. Let's see how he backs it up...
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Did okay, kicked a crucial goal in the 3rd with a beautiful set shot. Still not 100% convinced. Played as well as any player with his credentials and experience should. More please Ben! :gotigers
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At last, hope not a flash in the pan
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Not convinced but definitely better.
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any improvement makes him look like a star compared to the poo he served up before, agree with tigeritis.
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any improvement makes him look like a star compared to the poo he served up before, agree with tigeritis.
Y u such a h8er man?
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Hooter the Hater
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dunno, I think it was the limp wristed javelin toss that did it for me. I thought to my self, self, if that lazy bastard can't even put some testosterone into throwing a stuffing javelin, why would he bother pulling his finger out with something that took some real sustained effort?
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-27/axed-tiger-next-in-line-to-take-the-punt
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Whateber
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-27/axed-tiger-next-in-line-to-take-the-punt
Puts an end to the talk that he wanted out to go to Carlton. Footy was clearly not the be all and end all for him.
I wouldn't have seen Lennon as a NFL punter type either. Blokes like Darren Bennett were massively long kicks so they could generate more air time and control it when they switched to kicking a pigskin.
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I wish him all the best in his new career choice.
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Hope he has other options, beyond AFL and NFL...
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Lennon realised early in the year he may need to look elsewhere or go down a new path and that’s when American football became an option.
“It was probably the first quarter of the year when I was in and out of the team, I found myself playing VFL and had two mates who are over in the States at the moment ... I spoke to them and thought I might give this a crack,” Lennon told SEN.
“It wasn’t until later this year when I got delisted and I thought I’m still pretty keen to play at a high level with a sport but I didn’t know if it was with footy.
“I had a few meetings and came to the decision that this is a really good journey for me and I’m going to give it a crack.”
A former No.12 draft pick, Lennon has not yet shut the door completely on reviving his AFL career but it is no longer his top priority.
“At this point in time my eggs are more in the NFL basket, so that’s my main goal at the moment, that’s my main priority,” he said.
“But obviously if things don’t work out and I don’t make the NFL, well then I’ll still only be 26-27 and I’m not really sure, I can’t talk for 3-4 years down the track but it’s something I’ll definitely have to sit down and weigh up at the time.”
Lennon played just 21 career games in four years at Richmond after being selected with pick No.12 in the 2013 national draft.
He endured his fair share of injuries and was struck down by glandular fever ahead of the 2016 season but in the end his playing style — as more a marking forward than a pressure crumber at 188cm — there wasn’t a role for him at Richmond.
There is a “sour taste” after playing mostly VFL throughout his short AFL career but no hard feelings.
“I tried to get out of the club back in 2016 and that didn’t work and I obviously fell out of favour this year,” he said.
“The way the game is going now you need small, quick players to put pressure on and that’s something that probably wasn’t my main strength.
“I had to play a lot of VFL footy and at the end of the day that was pretty frustrating, you’re not there to play VFL
“I guess there is a little bit of a sour taste in my mouth but that’s nothing against Damien (coach Damien Hardwick), he’s obviously done a good job and we won the premiership.
“It doesn’t always work out the way you want it to but I’m just hoping to have another crack at a different sport and make the best out of it.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/former-richmond-forward-ben-lennon-training-to-pursue-nfl-punting-career/news-story/fab395f08b991e6b043b24da401033e0
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Missed the after the siren sealer to win the vfl grand final.
He won’t make it in the NFL.
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so just what did mister Lennon do so that he couldn't even get traded? Must of really stuffed up or peeed someone off. It wasn't as though he was completely devoid of any talent.
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And this left a sour taste in his mouth ?????????
Leaves a sour taste in my mouth to think we wasted a lot of time, effort, and a pick 12 on him.
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We need someone to tell us who we should have picked with 12
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FORMER Richmond half-forward Ben Lennon will head to the US in 2019 with dreams of an NFL career after earning a punting scholarship at the University of Utah.
Lennon, who was delisted by the Tigers at the end of 2017, will join former teammate Ben Griffiths in the US college system after 12 months of specialised training in Australia.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-01-14/extigers-us-punt-pays-off-with-scholarship