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Title: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: 🏅Dooks on March 18, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
McBean led up in Nab1 playing on the best full back in the league. And got in front.

Vickery couldnt/didnt when it counted, and spilled chest marks on the odd occasion he was in front.

Would we be better off playing McBean if its a matter of getting a proper chance at a contest? Would we be better off developing a lead up forward in McBean by giving him senior game time? At least hed be better below the knees than Vickery. .....
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: gerkin greg on March 18, 2014, 08:19:11 PM
No.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Stripes on March 18, 2014, 08:34:55 PM
He's still not ready. Just needs more size. Give him more time int eh VFL and don't destroy his confidence by throwing him to the AFL wolves imo
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Coach on March 18, 2014, 08:42:47 PM
No.

x2
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: the claw on March 18, 2014, 09:07:07 PM
x3 . surely if we are talking about any tall to take vickerys spot it has to be elton. hes in yr 3 hes a great size already at 197cm and 100kg. the one thing ive always  liked about this kid is his marking.
the concern though is his maturity and his for want of a better way of saying mindset he is still timid by all reports.

what is scary is the simple fact that mcbean and elton are the only two options on the list to replace vickery or riewoldt  and mcbean is being touted as a future ruckman by the club which only further exacerbates the problem..
as far as development goes we should not even be contemplating these two as kpfs. maybe come in and play a third tall role here and there to gain  some experience.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: tony_montana on March 18, 2014, 09:16:47 PM
Not ready yet
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: yellowandback on March 18, 2014, 09:25:15 PM
Give Ben Elton a go
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: the claw on March 18, 2014, 09:28:14 PM
Give Ben Elton a go
he has had a decent preseason and kicked two on the weekend.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Golfprotiger on March 18, 2014, 09:36:35 PM
Not yet.......
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: cub on March 18, 2014, 09:39:57 PM
Consensus
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: WA Tiger on March 18, 2014, 09:48:16 PM
No
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on March 18, 2014, 10:03:11 PM
Must show he has his manoeuvrability back in the twos.

Elton John should be the one elevated to replace Ty.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: bojangles17 on March 18, 2014, 10:09:24 PM
Elton should get a chance first
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 18, 2014, 10:10:47 PM
Elton should get a chance first

Yep
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: tigs2011 on March 19, 2014, 12:47:17 AM
Or maybe Vickery could get another game before we nail him to the cross.  :shh
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 19, 2014, 06:55:44 AM
Or maybe Vickery could get another game before we nail him to the cross.  :shh

 :nope :nope :nope

"Could" ...  no just insert the word WILL get another game because that's what will happen.

Hasn't been dropped for poor performances in 4 seasons, it isn't going to start now  ;D

Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Andyy on March 19, 2014, 10:20:09 AM
I want to see Elton and Darrou this year
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: MintOnLamb on March 19, 2014, 10:30:28 AM
Vickery, persevere,
Elton before McBean
maybe when the season is progressing and we see how we are sitting McBean against a softer side as a sub??
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Andyy on March 19, 2014, 11:04:29 AM
Doesn't get much softer than GCS's last backline setup. Two débutantes...
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: tigs2011 on March 19, 2014, 11:25:26 AM
Or maybe Vickery could get another game before we nail him to the cross.  :shh

 :nope :nope :nope

"Could" ...  no just insert the word WILL get another game because that's what will happen.

Hasn't been dropped for poor performances in 4 seasons, it isn't going to start now  ;D
:lol :lol so true.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: the claw on March 19, 2014, 08:46:21 PM
Or maybe Vickery could get another game before we nail him to the cross.  :shh
yep we can do what we always do, persevere with mediocrity  and reward that mediocrity with more games.
ffs its the start of the yr i would have thought they all start on an even footing. but it seems not.

seems to me its enough to play like a flanker rather than a kpp.  what exactly is it we expect from players in various positions. what should we expect from vickery  what is it you want to see kpfs doing.  i can tell you now vickery does little of what i want from one of my kpfs. if i want a fwd/flanker id be giving someone like knights or lloyd a game or see what ohanlon has to offer or just play martin fwd.
how often do we have to put up with the soft spinless dumb performances from this 200cm streak of misery. for me 76 games is probably 40 games too many..
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: 🏅Dooks on March 20, 2014, 02:03:49 PM
If he does get named, his performance will be arguably the most watched and scrutinised of a Richmond player in a long time.

If he backs it up with a similar stinker, and we lose, gee whiz theres going to be some angry fans
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Diocletian on March 20, 2014, 02:18:49 PM
Or maybe Vickery could get another game before we nail him to the cross.  :shh

Yes he at least deserves a 77th chance....
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Mr Magic on March 20, 2014, 03:11:00 PM
Yes I think he could do worse.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Dice on March 20, 2014, 03:15:21 PM
Vickery is our leading goalkicker for 2014 so how can you drop him ?   ;D
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: gerkin greg on March 20, 2014, 04:15:28 PM
 :lol :clapping

= 6th in the Coleman
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Diocletian on March 20, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
Still on track for his projected output - can't ask for much more than that....
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: The Big Richo on March 20, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
This thread is why Dooks gets banned from forums.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: tony_montana on March 20, 2014, 06:06:43 PM
Vickery is our leading goalkicker for 2014 so how can you drop him ?   ;D

 :lol
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: 🏅Dooks on May 18, 2014, 08:03:08 AM
bump
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 18, 2014, 08:08:03 AM
Could Elton / darrou do worse than Chaplin
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on May 18, 2014, 08:57:04 AM
Could Elton / darrou do worse than Chaplin
No. It's not possible to do worse.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Stripes on May 18, 2014, 10:10:36 AM
McBean or Elton should be given a chance now. Vickery is offering us nothing. Mcbean is a good crumber too.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Gigantor on May 18, 2014, 11:11:18 AM
yeah agree think Elton gets first crack..has been showing a bit lately.
Mcbean for all his natural ability worries me with his lack of aerial power
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 18, 2014, 11:35:36 AM
Anyone could try and be worse than Sickery.
It's a tall order and a challenge but if they give it a crack rest assured they are at the right club. :help
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Gigantor on May 18, 2014, 11:41:46 AM
Beginning to think that some of the statues on the isle of man could do better than some of the spuds representing the club
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: the claw on May 18, 2014, 08:43:28 PM
how about elton fwd and the beaner third tall in defense.
people do realise the bean can play down back. with astbury gone he is a possible solution.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 18, 2014, 08:46:15 PM
Forward Elton bean griff

Jack chb
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: bojangles17 on May 18, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
With astbury out, I reckon Elton comes in
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Diocletian on May 18, 2014, 11:20:26 PM
Has been a better option than Vickery since about halfway through last year.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: tigs2011 on May 19, 2014, 12:10:25 AM
how about elton fwd and the beaner third tall in defense.
people do realise the bean can play down back. with astbury gone he is a possible solution.
Was at the ressies yesterday. Elton showed a bit down back. McBean is miles off it at VFL level atm. I'd go Elton for Astbury, Grimes for Chaplin. Get rid of Vickery for another mid rotation. Or just play a man down.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: (•))(©™ on May 19, 2014, 12:52:30 AM
The statue of liability is, in Damien's mind, a big part of his theory.
I use theory In place of game plan,as that's what it is in his case.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: MintOnLamb on May 19, 2014, 06:49:10 AM
Saying McBean is miles off it? If you compared him to young Daniher at Ess could he be rawer of skinnier? They are persevering with Daniher, giving him confidence and it is starting to pay off. IMOHHHHHO we should be doing the same with McBean and give him a go.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Chuck17 on May 19, 2014, 08:31:09 AM
Saying McBean is miles off it? If you compared him to young Daniher at Ess could he be rawer of skinnier? They are persevering with Daniher, giving him confidence and it is starting to pay off. IMOHHHHHO we should be doing the same with McBean and give him a go.

Go read the bummer forums and how they bag the poor young kid, it's disgraceful and we would do the same if we played McBean
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Jackstar is back!!! on May 19, 2014, 08:58:04 AM
how about elton fwd and the beaner third tall in defense.
people do realise the bean can play down back. with astbury gone he is a possible solution.
Was at the ressies yesterday. Elton showed a bit down back. McBean is miles off it at VFL level atm. I'd go Elton for Astbury, Grimes for Chaplin. Get rid of Vickery for another mid rotation. Or just play a man down.

I like the idea of playing a man down
Might benefit us
That's how bad Vickery is
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Chuck17 on May 19, 2014, 09:13:50 AM
how about elton fwd and the beaner third tall in defense.
people do realise the bean can play down back. with astbury gone he is a possible solution.
Was at the ressies yesterday. Elton showed a bit down back. McBean is miles off it at VFL level atm. I'd go Elton for Astbury, Grimes for Chaplin. Get rid of Vickery for another mid rotation. Or just play a man down.

I like the idea of playing a man down
Might benefit us
That's how bad Vickery is

At least the others would know not to rely on him and may try a bit harder to cover the vacant spot
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: MintOnLamb on May 19, 2014, 10:58:25 AM
Saying McBean is miles off it? If you compared him to young Daniher at Ess could he be rawer of skinnier? They are persevering with Daniher, giving him confidence and it is starting to pay off. IMOHHHHHO we should be doing the same with McBean and give him a go.

Go read the bummer forums and how they bag the poor young kid, it's disgraceful and we would do the same if we played McBean

Yes that is very sad. The thing is you get games into kids give them confidence and soon they MAY blossom. Playing players 1 in 1 out week after week is shocking for their confidence and self belief.
If we have the confidence to draft them, then have the confidence to play them. Last year McBean would have played senior footy if he didn't injure his ankle. What has changed.?
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on May 19, 2014, 11:20:14 AM
Did Vickery sustain a metacarpal fracture during the game on Saturday? May help explain some of his inept marking attempts.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: tiga on May 19, 2014, 11:21:47 AM
At 2 & 6 we have nothing to lose. I mean Nothing to lose!!!

Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: TigerMonk on May 19, 2014, 11:41:57 AM
Did Vickery sustain a metacarpal fracture during the game on Saturday? May help explain some of his inept marking attempts.

apparently so, going by Doc Larkins report on Fox Footy last night
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on May 19, 2014, 11:46:32 AM
Did Vickery sustain a metacarpal fracture during the game on Saturday? May help explain some of his inept marking attempts.

apparently so, going by Doc Larkins report on Fox Footy last night
Next question.  Why wasn't he the one subbed out through injury?
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Mr Magic on May 19, 2014, 11:48:41 AM
Did Vickery sustain a metacarpal fracture during the game on Saturday? May help explain some of his inept marking attempts.

apparently so, going by Doc Larkins report on Fox Footy last night
Next question.  Why wasn't he the one subbed out through injury?

Because even with a broken hand he had more chance of marking the ball than Hampson?
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on May 19, 2014, 11:50:23 AM
Did Vickery sustain a metacarpal fracture during the game on Saturday? May help explain some of his inept marking attempts.

apparently so, going by Doc Larkins report on Fox Footy last night
Next question.  Why wasn't he the one subbed out through injury?
:lol :clapping
Because even with a broken hand he had more chance of marking the ball than Hampson?
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: cub on May 19, 2014, 10:40:21 PM
I actually want to punch vickery
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Rampstar on May 19, 2014, 11:53:41 PM
Vickery should be shopped at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Could mcbean do worse than vickery?
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on May 20, 2014, 12:01:04 AM
Vickery should be shopped at the end of the year.
Vickery should've been shopped at the end of 2011 when it was already obvious that he was a spud and he had currency and "potential".