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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 🏅Dooks on April 06, 2014, 08:37:21 AM
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This is how old some of our players will be during season 2015 if we dont decide to trade/delist at the end of this season.
15 guys at or a few years off retirement age. Most of which kept getting named in our best 22 atm.
We need to keep getting games into kids wherever possible
Chris Newman 33
Brett Deledio 28
Shaun Grigg 27
Ricky Petterd 27
Bachar Houli 27
Chris Knights 28
Shaun Hampson 27
Matt Thomas 28
Ivan Maric 29
Dan Jackson 29
Troy Chaplin 29
Aaron Edwards 31
Jake King 31
Orren Stephenson 33
Nathan Foley 30
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Brett Deledio is still 26. He turns 27 on April 18. He has shown longevity. He is NOWHERE near retirement.
Houli is 25 and turns 26 next month. Again, he is not old.
You may as well say this for all the teams. In 2015 only the GWS and GC will have the majority of their list below 25.
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Aaron Edwards has just turned 30, not 31
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This is how old some of our players will be during season 2015 if we dont decide to trade/delist at the end of this season.
15 guys at or a few years off retirement age. Most of which kept getting named in our best 22 atm.
We need to keep getting games into kids wherever possible
Chris Newman 33
Brett Deledio 28
Shaun Grigg 27
Ricky Petterd 27
Bachar Houli 27
Chris Knights 28
Shaun Hampson 27
Matt Thomas 28
Ivan Maric 29
Dan Jackson 29
Troy Chaplin 29
Aaron Edwards 31
Jake King 31
Orren Stephenson 33
Nathan Foley 30
The biggest problem about that list is there is only one player that is better than average.
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Jacko is turning 28 this month also.
Dooks is just causing terror. :help
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Jacko is turning 28 this month also.
Dooks is just causing terror. :help
His ages are as of the 2015 season.
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I don't see the issue? The sooner they hit 30+ and stuff off the better. (For most of them)
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Last couple of years been heavily recruiting mature age players need to invest in youth from now on.
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1 Newman, Chris 236 31yr 10mth 18 May 1982 183cm 81kg Dandenong Stingrays Defender
37 Stephenson, Orren (R) 15 31yr 8mth 15 Jul 1982 200cm 104kg - Ruck
27 Edwards, Aaron 91 30yr 1mth 2 Mar 1984 184cm 93kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward
28 King, Jake 107 30yr 26 Mar 1984 178cm 82kg Coburg Tigers Forward
41 Foley, Nathan 138 28yr 6mth 8 Sep 1985 178cm 79kg Geelong Falcons Midfield
25 Chaplin, Troy 165 28yr 1mth 23 Feb 1986 195cm 99kg North Ballarat Rebels Defender
Danger danger mr robinson
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Chris Newman 33
Brett Deledio 28
Shaun Grigg 27
Ricky Petterd 27
Bachar Houli 27
Chris Knights 28
Shaun Hampson 27
Matt Thomas 28
Ivan Maric 29
Dan Jackson 29
Troy Chaplin 29
Aaron Edwards 31
Jake King 31
Orren Stephenson 33
Nathan Foley 30
Only those players will be playing next year.
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Deledio is 26 so his football life is not quite over as of yet
The only old players that side should be regularly: Maric deledio cotchin Riewoldt, maybe Morris.
Grigg and co. should not be non droppable. Just due to being seniors players / coach favourites
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Newman Edwards Thomas King Stephenson and Foley should all be retired at the end of the season IMHO and replaced by Kids coming through the draft.
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A secondary issue is the mid range
23 Jackson, Daniel 147 27yr 11mth 25 Apr 1986 188cm 92kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield
15 Knights, Chris 101 27yr 6mth 25 Sep 1986 184cm 84kg Eastern Ranges Forward
19 Thomas, Matt (R) 90 27yr 1mth 27 Feb 1987 186cm 87kg Port Adelaide Midfield
16 Hampson, Shaun 65 26yr 21 Mar 1988 201cm 104kg Mt Gravatt Ruck
6 Grigg, Shaun 112 25yr 11mth 19 Apr 1988 190cm 85kg Nth Ballarat Midfield
14 Houli, Bachar 94 25yr 10mth 12 May 1988 180cm 84kg Western Defender
13 Petterd, Ricky 69 25yr 8mth 24 Jul 1988 185cm 85kg Broadbeach Defender
10 Edwards, Shane 132 25yr 5mth 25 Oct 1988 182cm 83kg Nth Adelaide Midfield
Forward
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So much for our recruiting over the last 5 years. Our list is poo.
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So much for our recruiting over the last 5 years. Our list is poo.
Ramps you're spot on with the Moneyball policy.
I'm guessing it was a club decision / direction that they thought was the best thing to compete with GC and GWS as next year GC will be playing finals this year and then looking at top 4 next year and GWS are a year behind them.
If this season continues the way it is, I'd look at doing a Hawthorn and looking to get some gun kids in exchange for our experienced players, Cotchin should be the oldest player in premiership tilt IMO. We stuffed up the 2005 and 06 draft which means Deledio will most likely miss out. I'm a big fan of Brett but I wonder what Fremantle would give up for Deledio in 1-2 years time trying to keep there premiership window open. I know it wouldn't be a popular decision but its just an example of some of the hard decisions the club would need to make if we want to beat GC and GWS cause we are not ready yet.
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Chris Newman 33
Brett Deledio 28
Shaun Grigg 27
Ricky Petterd 27
Bachar Houli 27
Chris Knights 28
Shaun Hampson 27
Matt Thomas 28
Ivan Maric 29
Dan Jackson 29
Troy Chaplin 29
Aaron Edwards 31
Jake King 31
Orren Stephenson 33
Nathan Foley 30
Only those players will be playing next year.
Grigg
Thomas
and Petterd will be with us next year.
The thers are too old and I agree will retire.
Whether any of Grigg Thomas or Petterd will be in our best 22, probably they will because we won't find replacements for more than Foley, King and Newman.
I think Knights has a ? over his head. If he doesn't manage to play most of this year then he may retire voluntarily. His body hasn't been great.
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Jacko is turning 28 this month also.
Dooks is just causing terror. :help
His ages are as of the 2015 season.
Correct.
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This is how old some of our players will be during season 2015 if we dont decide to trade/delist at the end of this season.
15 guys at or a few years off retirement age. Most of which kept getting named in our best 22 atm.
We need to keep getting games into kids wherever possible
Chris Newman 33
Brett Deledio 28
Shaun Grigg 27
Ricky Petterd 27
Bachar Houli 27
Chris Knights 28
Shaun Hampson 27
Matt Thomas 28
Ivan Maric 29
Dan Jackson 29
Troy Chaplin 29
Aaron Edwards 31
Jake King 31
Orren Stephenson 33
Nathan Foley 30
The biggest problem about that list is there is only one player that is better than average.
gotta agree with you again tone give or take one or two.. its not just the age but the quality of these blokes. 8 or 9 of them should have been in the gun before the season even started. yet most are best 22 or best 25 anyway.in fact the number of unproven and ordinary inconsistent players on the list is staggering.
also i have argued that this season there was never a need to fix age gaps there was heaps on the list already who had progressed to the crucial 23 thru 28 plus age brackets. there was an adequate list of 100 plus gamers and growing yet we targeted mature players almost exclusively and ignored the the drafts when it comes to kids bar one player.
clearly the rebuild was incomplete, the greater need was to continue to build and continue to get games into the kids and target as many quality players as possible while fixing list holes with the mid to long term as the priority.
imo the club has got ahead of itself in regards to the quality and where the list is actually at. there was always the possibility that after 4 or 5 yrs hardwick and co were going to find it hard to cut players. making finals has certainly made them put on the rose coloureds.
have constanly said over the next 3 drafts we just have to turn over about half the list.
to me this is a list of players who are inconsistent , or mediocre, or unproven or just too old and past it.some unfortunately tick all 4. ive left a few off who are borderline.
arnot, banfield, batchelor, chaplin, darrou, dea, edwards, edwards, elton, foley, gordon, grigg, griffiths, hampson, helbig, houli, king, lennon, lloyd, knights, mcdonough, mcbean, mcintosh, miles, newman, ohanlon, petterd, stephenson, thomas, vickery, williams.
hopefully a lot of these blokes will go on to become good consistent players but it shows the number ofplayers who we have to do better than, and just how much development needs to go into this group.
anyway enough of a rant ive done it all before and only get howled at most of the time.
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The moment Dimma said that we are not give youngsters a go is the day we started going backwards. He said you have to earn a game to get in the team. That's fine but the earning of games must apply to all players equally at the start of the year. Each year everyone should start at the same point and prove themselves on the training track and in practice matches. A player like Miles should have been elevated because he was fantastic in the preseason. What else xould he do? Look at Hawthorn. They still play guys like Langford and he rewards them. Playing the youngsters is like playing a game taking risks. Those who play safe rarely win. The same goes with selection.
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The moment Dimma said that we are not give youngsters a go is the day we started going backwards. He said you have to earn a game to get in the team. That's fine but the earning of games must apply to all players equally at the start of the year. Each year everyone should start at the same point and prove themselves on the training track and in practice matches. A player like Miles should have been elevated because he was fantastic in the preseason. What else xould he do? Look at Hawthorn. They still play guys like Langford and he rewards them. Playing the youngsters is like playing a game taking risks. Those who play safe rarely win. The same goes with selection.
Terrific post = agree :clapping
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The moment Dimma said that we are not give youngsters a go is the day we started going backwards. He said you have to earn a game to get in the team. That's fine but the earning of games must apply to all players equally at the start of the year. Each year everyone should start at the same point and prove themselves on the training track and in practice matches. A player like Miles should have been elevated because he was fantastic in the preseason. What else xould he do? Look at Hawthorn. They still play guys like Langford and he rewards them. Playing the youngsters is like playing a game taking risks. Those who play safe rarely win. The same goes with selection.
Terrific post = agree :clapping
cats with burberry, guthrie etc etc list goes on.
one of the best reads for a while.
well said mate
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Our development is looking good too. :rollin :whistle
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The moment Dimma said that we are not give youngsters a go is the day we started going backwards. He said you have to earn a game to get in the team. That's fine but the earning of games must apply to all players equally at the start of the year. Each year everyone should start at the same point and prove themselves on the training track and in practice matches. A player like Miles should have been elevated because he was fantastic in the preseason. What else xould he do? Look at Hawthorn. They still play guys like Langford and he rewards them. Playing the youngsters is like playing a game taking risks. Those who play safe rarely win. The same goes with selection.
while i agree with your post and take your sentiments to mean rather than continuing to gift games to players who constantly under perform play others who have either earnt it or look likely. i have to say in fairness to hardwick Miles aside what kids OR OTHERS have banged the door down.
it really is like a merry go round and like you im all for trying kids or untried mature players even, rather than doing the same thing over and over. thing is i really do believe we have to acknowledge its scary the lack of talent and real competition that is going on outside of the seniors.
anyway like wp said good post and i agree with it. IT IS TIME TO SEE WHAT MANY OTHERS ON THE LIST CAN OFFER.
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So much for our recruiting over the last 5 years. Our list is poo.
Not really. We just don't play talented kids. It's better to get crappy rejects to play instead. The sooner they all stuff off and retire the sooner we will improve (or recruit new hacks from other clubs)
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The moment Dimma said that we are not give youngsters a go is the day we started going backwards. He said you have to earn a game to get in the team. That's fine but the earning of games must apply to all players equally at the start of the year. Each year everyone should start at the same point and prove themselves on the training track and in practice matches. A player like Miles should have been elevated because he was fantastic in the preseason. What else xould he do? Look at Hawthorn. They still play guys like Langford and he rewards them. Playing the youngsters is like playing a game taking risks. Those who play safe rarely win. The same goes with selection.
while i agree with your post and take your sentiments to mean rather than continuing to gift games to players who constantly under perform play others who have either earnt it or look likely. i have to say in fairness to hardwick Miles aside what kids OR OTHERS have banged the door down.
it really is like a merry go round and like you im all for trying kids or untried mature players even, rather than doing the same thing over and over. thing is i really do believe we have to acknowledge its scary the lack of talent and real competition that is going on outside of the seniors.
anyway like wp said good post and i agree with it. IT IS TIME TO SEE WHAT MANY OTHERS ON THE LIST CAN OFFER.
McDonough
Arnot
Dea (not this year obviously)
McBean
Lloyd
Just play them. At least find out if they have it and then turn them over if they aren't. Look what happened when we played Gordon and Griffiths.
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Need more pace in the team. Need to inject with youth. Need to take risks. Playing Biscuit and others is sensible. Need to be forward thinking. To plan ahead.