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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tigs2011 on April 29, 2014, 06:02:44 PM
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Eh why the hell not ey?
Foxtel Cup on tonight.
Sam Durdin is a top 3-5 pick most likely playing his first game of the year.
Jesse Watchman projects as a later pick.
Both are KP swing men playing for west Adelaide.
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Pencil in the kid for our first pick then throw in some of the old blokes after that.
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Pencil in the kid for our first pick then throw in some of the old blokes after that.
How dare you try derail my great thread! :banghead >:(
got a list of melbournes potential delisted players?
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Any rangas? Must meet quota.
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Any rangas? Must meet quota.
peter wright. Probably top 3 pick. Dirty big ranga.
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Any rangas? Must meet quota.
peter wright. Probably top 3 pick. Dirty big ranga.
So he's still a chance then?
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Any rangas? Must meet quota.
peter wright. Probably top 3 pick. Dirty big ranga.
So he's still a chance then?
he will still have to improve to be worthy of our pick. :lol
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Yay Tigs :clapping I love premature threadulation
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Yay Tigs :clapping I love premature threadulation
:lol there were a few kids playing on tv tonight. Figured now was a good time to start the thread in case anyone was interested in watching. :lol
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No more left footers or players that cant kick either side of their body please.
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More wogs please. We play with passion.
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More wogs please. We play with passion.
Yes Deledio's noted for it....
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Last year we probably only thought a small forward and a ruckman. Now though the list is endless; a small forward, a ruckman, a KPF and a number of midfielders, A KPD and possibly a rebounding HBF
Of course best available is the way to go but we look to have a shedload of gaps now.
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we look to have a shedload of gaps now.
(http://www.phantombrownlowmedal.com.au/images/players/shane-edwards.png)
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l watched that Foxtel Cup game last night & all the Tassie players done better than Edwards
Alot of the guys showed good skill in those conditions
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Last year we probably only thought a small forward and a ruckman. Now though the list is endless; a small forward, a ruckman, a KPF and a number of midfielders, A KPD and possibly a rebounding HBF
Of course best available is the way to go but we look to have a shedload of gaps now.
We don;t need a KPF. We need the ones we have to be developed. Problem is the VFL team is a black hole. How many guys do we draft that their debut is their best game? Drafting another one won't fix that. :shh
We need a KPD, a young ruck and a truck load of mids. The mids can fill out onto the flanks Geelong style.
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More wogs please. We play with passion.
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Only red headed Wogs!!!- go conc :thumbsup
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Only red headed Wogs!!!- go conc :thumbsup
:lol :clapping
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Only red headed Wogs!!!- go conc :thumbsup
:lol :clapping
"Rogs"
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Last year we probably only thought a small forward and a ruckman. Now though the list is endless; a small forward, a ruckman, a KPF and a number of midfielders, A KPD and possibly a rebounding HBF
Of course best available is the way to go but we look to have a shedload of gaps now.
We don;t need a KPF. We need the ones we have to be developed. Problem is the VFL team is a black hole. How many guys do we draft that their debut is their best game? Drafting another one won't fix that. :shh
We need a KPD, a young ruck and a truck load of mids. The mids can fill out onto the flanks Geelong style.
disagree. reckon kpf is a greater need than any failing that as great a need as any.
been keeping an eye on a few wa boys. at this stage i really like the look of tyler kietel a 192cm fwd, ryan lim a big hard at it mid. and if chasing x factor i like the look of sth freos jarrod pickett a 180cm fwd/mid.
if we were chasing a kpd reckon sam durdin would be the go. reckon we would have to finsh about 15th to get a crack at him though.
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time to TANK!
get the best midfielder!
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Last year we probably only thought a small forward and a ruckman. Now though the list is endless; a small forward, a ruckman, a KPF and a number of midfielders, A KPD and possibly a rebounding HBF
Of course best available is the way to go but we look to have a shedload of gaps now.
We don;t need a KPF. We need the ones we have to be developed. Problem is the VFL team is a black hole. How many guys do we draft that their debut is their best game? Drafting another one won't fix that. :shh
We need a KPD, a young ruck and a truck load of mids. The mids can fill out onto the flanks Geelong style.
disagree. reckon kpf is a greater need than any failing that as great a need as any.
been keeping an eye on a few wa boys. at this stage i really like the look of tyler kietel a 192cm fwd, ryan lim a big hard at it mid. and if chasing x factor i like the look of sth freos jarrod pickett a 180cm fwd/mid.
if we were chasing a kpd reckon sam durdin would be the go. reckon we would have to finsh about 15th to get a crack at him though.
I just think we need to let the ones we have develop especially if we are only going to play 2 in the ones. Otherwise we end up with a heap of them at VFL level and that's not great for the team. If we were to take one then one of the more mobile sized guys like you've got with Keitel would better complement us. More a Gunston sized guy than a 200cm monster.
KPD on the other hand...we need some help. Durdin would be great but he's my pick 1. Long gone even if we tank now we've still won too many for Melb to catch us. :lol
Pickett I really like. I would have said perfect for us, but now starting to think we need some more substance in the midfield and am leaning towards Lachie Weller. Brilliant kick, good athleticism but only 180cm.
I don't rate Lim. From what I've seen he's a poor kick. Once someone else delists him he will fit right in at RFC.
Cockatoo was one I liked the glimpses I've seen but now he's injured.
Another to keep an eye out for is Shannon Taylor (the ex-WA boy) playing for Frankston now. He's Vlastuin/McDonough's age.
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what kpfs do we have tigs.
riewoldt is the only proven kpf we have.
elton is a junior and needs time to develop. hes the only other kpf on the list who looks likely imo as a permanent kpf.it seems hes stagnating with no incremental improvement happening.
griffiths well hes not doing anything forward at all, he is doing okay as a 2nd ruckman. imo he should be a genuine kpf or f/f to be exact. but you have to ask will he make it as one.
vickery ffs give me a break.
mcbean another 200cm ruckman come fwd. until he can start taking contested marks he is nowhere near a kpf. the club tells me hes a ruckman.
even if all of these guys made it the list is two or three out and tall fwds shy of what is needed.
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what kpfs do we have tigs.
riewoldt is the only proven kpf we have.
elton is a junior and needs time to develop. hes the only other kpf on the list who looks likely imo as a permanent kpf.it seems hes stagnating with no incremental improvement happening.
griffiths well hes not doing anything forward at all, he is doing okay as a 2nd ruckman. imo he should be a genuine kpf or f/f to be exact. but you have to ask will he make it as one.
vickery ffs give me a break.
mcbean another 200cm ruckman come fwd. until he can start taking contested marks he is nowhere near a kpf. the club tells me hes a ruckman.
even if all of these guys made it the list is two or three out and tall fwds shy of what is needed.
Unfortunately unless we move Vickery into the ruck as a 1st ruck which we probably should be doing with Griff looking ok as that 2nd ruck. Elton and McBean are the VFL KPF's with whoever doesn't play out of Griff/Vickery. So when we recruit another we have nowhere to play them at VFL level. We are already way too tall there as it is. The issue I see is that we seem to have drafted the land of the giants, where as we need to get a bigger version of Aaron Edwards. That hard leading 3rd tall type in the Gunston mould. We probably need to move someone on to do it or move Vicks to the ruck.
I actually don't mind Vickery as a forward but he eats up the same space of the ground that Jack does and Jack is 100x the footballer Ty is.
I'd got a ruck combo of 1. Maric 2. Ty 3. Hampson. KPF's Jack, Griff, Elton, McBean and then there is room for one more with Vickery becoming a ruck.
KPD on the other hand...We have 3 with 2 x 3rd talls.
Plus I'd like a junior ruck as well. Unfortunately there is only so many Rucks/KPF's we can have because there's only so many spots on the field that guys that play those 2 positions can fit. The other option is to play them down back, but we've seen the best 3 guys we've drafted for down back were actually backs. The guys we try convert don't make it as backs.
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Should get Joe Maishman from the geelong falcons.. extremely skilled on both sides, quick.. listed as a mid but I reckon could be a really good small forward/half forward for us. Will go around pick 30 I reckon
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On Hutchy's TAC Cup Future Stars show, Wallace has going a running top 10 for the 2014 draft. Today, we were at pick 6 and he had Jarrod Pickett going to us.
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Callum Twomey @AFL_CalTwomey · Jun 7
"Fair game from Jarrod Pickett for WA. 21 disposals, three goals, five clearances and seven inside-50s. "
From BF:
Jarrod Pickett (WA – Utility/Mid)
Height: 179cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 18/08/1996
Recruited from: South Fremantle
Style: Lewis Jetta (less explosive)
Player comparison: Danyle Pearce
Range: 3-15
Profile: Jarrod Pickett is a speedy type who can play anywhere and inject some real pace and energy into the game. He really enjoys taking on the game with ball in hand and can some offensive damage with his pace and footskills. I also really enjoy his tendency after a mark whenever the opportunity is there to work out quickly that he has the opportunity to take off then he just goes and generates some instant offense generating a meaningful drive rather forward than just going back behind the mark and moving the ball slowly forward. He’s not only damaging when he gets the ball but for an outside type he’s also an above average accumulator which is a real positive and is what suggests to me he has a future in this game when you combine that with his ability to do damage.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2014-phantom-draft.1060197/
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On Hutchy's TAC Cup Future Stars show, Wallace has going a running top 10 for the 2014 draft. Today, we were at pick 6 and he had Jarrod Pickett going to us.
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Callum Twomey @AFL_CalTwomey · Jun 7
"Fair game from Jarrod Pickett for WA. 21 disposals, three goals, five clearances and seven inside-50s. "
From BF:
Jarrod Pickett (WA – Utility/Mid)
Height: 179cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 18/08/1996
Recruited from: South Fremantle
Style: Lewis Jetta (less explosive)
Player comparison: Danyle Pearce
Range: 3-15
Profile: Jarrod Pickett is a speedy type who can play anywhere and inject some real pace and energy into the game. He really enjoys taking on the game with ball in hand and can some offensive damage with his pace and footskills. I also really enjoy his tendency after a mark whenever the opportunity is there to work out quickly that he has the opportunity to take off then he just goes and generates some instant offense generating a meaningful drive rather forward than just going back behind the mark and moving the ball slowly forward. He’s not only damaging when he gets the ball but for an outside type he’s also an above average accumulator which is a real positive and is what suggests to me he has a future in this game when you combine that with his ability to do damage.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2014-phantom-draft.1060197/
Sounds like the same wrap JON got
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Last year we probably only thought a small forward and a ruckman. Now though the list is endless; a small forward, a ruckman, a KPF and a number of midfielders, A KPD and possibly a rebounding HBF
Of course best available is the way to go but we look to have a shedload of gaps now.
those gaps were always there they dont just appear overnight. there would be no gaps if we could get list management right.
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On Hutchy's TAC Cup Future Stars show, Wallace has going a running top 10 for the 2014 draft. Today, we were at pick 6 and he had Jarrod Pickett going to us.
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Callum Twomey @AFL_CalTwomey · Jun 7
"Fair game from Jarrod Pickett for WA. 21 disposals, three goals, five clearances and seven inside-50s. "
From BF:
Jarrod Pickett (WA – Utility/Mid)
Height: 179cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 18/08/1996
Recruited from: South Fremantle
Style: Lewis Jetta (less explosive)
Player comparison: Danyle Pearce
Range: 3-15
Profile: Jarrod Pickett is a speedy type who can play anywhere and inject some real pace and energy into the game. He really enjoys taking on the game with ball in hand and can some offensive damage with his pace and footskills. I also really enjoy his tendency after a mark whenever the opportunity is there to work out quickly that he has the opportunity to take off then he just goes and generates some instant offense generating a meaningful drive rather forward than just going back behind the mark and moving the ball slowly forward. He’s not only damaging when he gets the ball but for an outside type he’s also an above average accumulator which is a real positive and is what suggests to me he has a future in this game when you combine that with his ability to do damage.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2014-phantom-draft.1060197/
Sounds like the same wrap JON got
JON seemed to have some problems outside of the normal ones our players have, people said he struggled to understand game plans and how he fitted into the plan and where he was supposed to run etc, he also had a really poor kicking action from memory.
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what kpfs do we have tigs.
riewoldt is the only proven kpf we have.
elton is a junior and needs time to develop. hes the only other kpf on the list who looks likely imo as a permanent kpf.it seems hes stagnating with no incremental improvement happening.
griffiths well hes not doing anything forward at all, he is doing okay as a 2nd ruckman. imo he should be a genuine kpf or f/f to be exact. but you have to ask will he make it as one.
vickery ffs give me a break.
mcbean another 200cm ruckman come fwd. until he can start taking contested marks he is nowhere near a kpf. the club tells me hes a ruckman.
even if all of these guys made it the list is two or three out and tall fwds shy of what is needed.
Unfortunately unless we move Vickery into the ruck as a 1st ruck which we probably should be doing with Griff looking ok as that 2nd ruck. Elton and McBean are the VFL KPF's with whoever doesn't play out of Griff/Vickery. So when we recruit another we have nowhere to play them at VFL level. We are already way too tall there as it is. The issue I see is that we seem to have drafted the land of the giants, where as we need to get a bigger version of Aaron Edwards. That hard leading 3rd tall type in the Gunston mould. We probably need to move someone on to do it or move Vicks to the ruck.
I actually don't mind Vickery as a forward but he eats up the same space of the ground that Jack does and Jack is 100x the footballer Ty is.
I'd got a ruck combo of 1. Maric 2. Ty 3. Hampson. KPF's Jack, Griff, Elton, McBean and then there is room for one more with Vickery becoming a ruck.
KPD on the other hand...We have 3 with 2 x 3rd talls.
Plus I'd like a junior ruck as well. Unfortunately there is only so many Rucks/KPF's we can have because there's only so many spots on the field that guys that play those 2 positions can fit. The other option is to play them down back, but we've seen the best 3 guys we've drafted for down back were actually backs. The guys we try convert don't make it as backs.
we aint too far apart.
the list overall should go
ruck/fwd/def 2. one in the seniors, a junior in the twos. we have three vickery, griffiths, mcbean. we dont need 3 we should trade one of them out while they have value.unless one can become a starting ruck. or one can hold down a permant kp. me ive always wanted us to develop mcbean at chb. ive seen enough of vickery to want to replace him on the list.
kpf 4. basically f/f chf in the seniors, f/f chf in the reserves. we only have riewoldt elton who are genuine stay at home kpfs. we need two.
tall fwd gunston type 2. one in the seniors one in the twos. tom lamb would be a good fit here imo would have to use 1st rounder to get him though.. just like marsh would have been worth taking late last yr.
same sort of thing with the tall defenders
kpd 4. f/b chb seniors. f/b chb twos. we have chaplin rance and astbury. if chaplin is to go we need to find two.
tall defenders 2, one in seniors. one in the twos. we have grimes, darrou, mcintosh could even place batchelor here.we could cut 2 of em.
ruckmen 3, starting ruck in seniors, starting ruck in twos. development ruck in twos. need to replace stephenson with a junior. need to find hampsons replacement and maric is 28 and dare i say it struggling.
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what kpfs do we have tigs.
riewoldt is the only proven kpf we have.
elton is a junior and needs time to develop. hes the only other kpf on the list who looks likely imo as a permanent kpf.it seems hes stagnating with no incremental improvement happening.
griffiths well hes not doing anything forward at all, he is doing okay as a 2nd ruckman. imo he should be a genuine kpf or f/f to be exact. but you have to ask will he make it as one.
vickery ffs give me a break.
mcbean another 200cm ruckman come fwd. until he can start taking contested marks he is nowhere near a kpf. the club tells me hes a ruckman.
even if all of these guys made it the list is two or three out and tall fwds shy of what is needed.
Plus I'd like a junior ruck as well. Unfortunately there is only so many Rucks/KPF's we can have because there's only so many spots on the field that guys that play those 2 positions can fit. The other option is to play them down back, but we've seen the best 3 guys we've drafted for down back were actually backs. The guys we try convert don't make it as backs.
was big on darcy cameron last yr thought we needed to rookie him. i still am keen not sur if we will get him as a rookie now though, josh miller is another.
one i like is jermaine miller - lewis. this kid has all the attributes if hes about the place at pick 50ish id be looking.
the jack gunstan type, well tom lamb would be a great get. i can imagine if we somehow got him and say pat mccartin the tall fwd line situation would go from ordinary to heaven in one draft.
it would actually fix an area so we could forget about it and concentrate on other areas.
like you i liked hourigan last yr how is he going do you know. would he be worth a rookie pick if hes showing a bit.
on ryan lim. while i agree when he makes a howler its a howler, but most of the time his kicking is fine. reckon people overplay this damn good all round player imo.
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Plough's latest weekly draft top 10: (I've included the current AFL club draft order).
1. St.K - Christian Petracca (VIC/Eastern Ranges – Fwd/Mid) ...... Height: 186cm, Weight: 92kg, DOB: 04/01/1996
2. Bris - Patrick McCartin ....(VIC/Geelong Falcons - KPF) ........... Height: 193cm, Weight: 95kg, DOB: 19/04/1996
3. GWS - Peter Wright ......(VIC/Calder Cannons - KPF/Ruck) ..... Height: 203cm, Weight: 102kg, DOB: 08/09/1996
4. Rich - Angus Brayshaw ...(VIC/Sandringham Dragons – Mid) ..... Height: 187cm, Weight: 87kg, DOB: 09/01/1996
5. Melb - Sam Durdin .........(SA/West Adelaide - KPP) ................ Height: 197cm, Weight: 89kg, DOB: 06/06/1996
6. WB - Jarrod Pickett .....(WA/South Fremantle – Utility/Mid) .... Height: 179cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 18/08/1996
7. Carl - Tom Lamb ...........(VIC/Dandenong Stringrays - Fwd/Mid) Height: 192cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 19/10/1996
8. WCE - Kyle Langford .....(VIC/Northern Knights – Fwd/Mid) ..... Height: 190cm, Weight: 73kg, DOB: 01/12/1996
9. Adel - Lachlan Weller .....(QLD/Broadbeach – Mid) .................. Height: 181cm, Weight: 71kg, DOB: 23/02/1996
10. Ess - Caleb Marchbank .(VIC/Murray Bushrangers – KPD) ........ Height: 193cm, Weight: 85kg, DOB: 12/07/1996
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Plough's latest weekly draft top 10: (I've included the current AFL club draft order).
3. GWS - Peter Wright ......(VIC/Calder Cannons - KPF/Ruck) ..... Height: 203cm, Weight: 102kg, DOB: 08/09/1996
Just what we need right now. Lets go for a priority pick too.
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All these blokes praying they go anywhere but Richmond.
These kids and parents aren't stupid. They see guys like Conca, Vickery, Ellis, Griffiths (the list is endless) go backwards after getting recruited by us whilst players like Fyfe, Heppell, Duncan etc etc become genuine players getting better & better each year.
There's even people on here complaining about Lids, Cotch and Jack too.
Until the issues are addressed and the culture is fixed the RFC will be continue to be the wreckers of the AFL comp.
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Plough's latest running top 10 draft prediction ...
1. St K - Patrick McCartin (VIC/Geelong Falcons - KPF) ............ Height: 193cm, Weight: 95kg, DOB: 19/04/1996
2. Bris - Peter Wright (VIC/Calder Cannons - KPF/Ruck) ...... Height: 203cm, Weight: 102kg, DOB: 08/09/1996
3. GWS - Christian Petracca (VIC/Eastern Ranges – Fwd/Mid) ........ Height: 186cm, Weight: 92kg, DOB: 04/01/1996
4. Rich - Jarrod Pickett (WA/South Fremantle – Utility/Mid) .... Height: 179cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 18/08/1996
5. Melb - Angus Brayshaw (VIC/Sandringham Dragons – Mid) ...... Height: 187cm, Weight: 87kg, DOB: 09/01/1996
6. WB - Sam Durdin (SA/West Adelaide - KPP) ................. Height: 197cm, Weight: 89kg, DOB: 06/06/1996
7. Carl - Tom Lamb (VIC/Dandenong Stringrays - Fwd/Mid) Height: 192cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 19/10/1996
8. WCE - Clem Smith (WA/Perth - Util) ............................ Height: 177cm, Weight: 74kg, DOB: 03/02/1996
9. Adel - Jake Lever (VIC/Calder Cannons – Def/KPD) ......... Height: 192cm, Weight: 84kg, DOB: 05/03/1996
10. Ess - Caleb Marchbank (VIC/Murray Bushrangers – KPD) ........ Height: 193cm, Weight: 85kg, DOB: 12/07/1996
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All these blokes praying they go anywhere but Richmond.
These kids and parents aren't stupid. They see guys like Conca, Vickery, Ellis, Griffiths (the list is endless) go backwards after getting recruited by us whilst players like Fyfe, Heppell, Duncan etc etc become genuine players getting better & better each year.
There's even people on here complaining about Lids, Cotch and Jack too.
Until the issues are addressed and the culture is fixed the RFC will be continue to be the wreckers of the AFL comp.
I don't by this cause its too emo for me
Sure we are not Gold Coast
But a kid can do worse than paying alongside rance. Miles. Dea. Vlastuin. Deledio. Cotchin. Martin Lennon . Etc
I spose the kid in question hopes hardwick gets there's. so he might get a game :whistle
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Whoever we get we have already ruined them, were screwed
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Plough mustn't have checked Pickett's skin colour before putting him at Richmond's pick. ::)
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Plough's latest weekly draft top 10: (I've included the current AFL club draft order).
3. GWS - Peter Wright ......(VIC/Calder Cannons - KPF/Ruck) ..... Height: 203cm, Weight: 102kg, DOB: 08/09/1996
Just what we need right now. Lets go for a priority pick too.
so hoiw many kpf / rucks do you want. we can just add him to vickery,griffiths, and mc bean. i have to ask again how many 200cm plus players have ever gone on to become good key fwds.
wright may be one of the few exceptions to the rule but at this stage my money would be on him becoming a ruckman.
me if chasing a kpf id be after mccartin. if after a jack gunston type id be after lamb.
if chasing a kpd it would probably be durdin. yet durdin could end up a fwd.
if we had pick 3 or 4 and used it on pickett id be spewing. and i like pickett as a sml quick classy outside mid/fwd. he would fill a midfield need.he would address some of our pace issues but he aint going to lead from the front and drag his mates over the line.
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On the TAC Cup Future Stars show, Plough also had a % of success per player type stat for top 10 draftees (2001-2010).
Draft an inside mid with a top 10 pick and you had a 85% success rate of that kid becoming a long-term one-club AFL player whereas any other type (ruck, KP, outside mid/flanker) had just a 30% success rate.
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Reckon we should have a look a Lonie. Wouldn't use our first pick on him so it depends how long he lasts but we could do with a smart small foward
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Reckon we should have a look a Lonie. Wouldn't use our first pick on him so it depends how long he lasts but we could do with a smart small foward
Agreed.
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Jon Anderson profiles the Under 18s class of 2014, predicts top 20 draft picks
Jon Anderson
Herald Sun
June 25, 2014 9:47PM
IN an AFL draft rated the most open in a decade, one performance over the coming weeks could determine which way recruiters go at the very top.
Maybe that performance took place last Friday, June 20, on the hallowed fields of Geelong Grammar where their full forward in Patrick McCartin booted five goals against Xavier College.
Those who witnessed the display said it had all the hallmarks of a budding AFL key forward, even if schoolboy football is rarely used as a strong guideline. But McCartin was opposed at times by a promising young Xavier College defender named Jack Whitehead.
McCartin will get the opportunity to further impress tomorrow when the U18 division 1 games are played at Simmonds Stadium in Geelong. As a Type 2 diabetic he requires five to six injections a day and must come to the bench during games to check his blood.
Will that influence recruiters? One said yesterday it is unlikely to be an issue, and with St Kilda and Brisbane both a chance for the first pick and both requiring a key forward, McCartin is a likely target.
In terms of smaller forwards South Fremantle’s Jarrod Pickett has suddenly jumped the queue at the halfway mark of the Australian U18 National Championships.
The 179cm Pickett has emerged as a genuine top five candidate depending on who finishes where on the AFL ladder and what their requirements are.
Pickett is an extremely fast (20m sprint 2.81 sec) midfielder/forward who would offer a team such as GWS something very different, with the Giants unlikely to choose a key forward in a draft that has several extremely well qualified candidates.
What the Giants do require apart from a player of Pickett’s capabilities is a key defender which would bring West Adelaide’s 196cm Sam Durdin into the equation given his ability to play both ends of the ground.
But the Giants’ current purple patch suggests they could finish ahead of St Kilda and Brisbane, two teams that surely must choose a key forward with Nick Riewoldt and Jonathan Brown nearing the end.
It is a draft with some useful father/son candidates, headed by Darcy Moore (Peter, Collingwood), Alex Waterman (Chris, West Coast) Billy Stretch (Steven, Melbourne) and Zaine Cordy (Brian). All will receive bids from rival clubs, leaving it up to their prospective homes to match those bids.
The “Potential Top 20” posted here is very much a work in progress and there will be further bolters before the U18 championships finish on July 3 at Simonds Stadium. Melbourne Grammar’s Ed Vickers-Willis is one such player, having risen rapidly in calculations after a fine championships to date.
One recruiter yesterday said it was a draft that was “as wide and broad as I’ve ever seen…..it’s tricky, but that can be a good thing if you do your homework. But not necessarily you would want to have the number one pick in”.
An interesting player is Geelong Falcons tall utility Hugh Goddard, who is a cousin of Brendon. A year ago he was a top three selection but a quietish carnival to date has seen him slide, just like a youngster named Lance Franklin did in 2004.
Franklin will be in the back of the minds of some recruiters come draft night and Goddard will be very hard to ignore, because if you do and he becomes a star, then start looking for a new job unless the bloke you picked also becomes a gun.
ANDO’S POTENTIAL TOP 20
1: Patrick McCartin (194cm, Geelong Falcons): Pace (tick) hands (tick) strength (tick) kicking (tick), McCartin covers the required bases for a key forward.
2: Peter Wright (203cm, Calder Cannons): A ruckman/forward who has always hovered around the top five for the 2014 draft.
3: Sam Durdin (196cm, West Adelaide): Has the advantage of being able to play both ends but has had a poor championship series to date.
4: Christian Petracca (186cm, Eastern Ranges): Rocketing up the charts. Has a genuine X factor either as a bullocking forward or midfielder.
5: Jarrod Pickett (179cm, South Fremantle): Each outing confirms his standing as an indigenous forward/midfielder of serious style.
6: Isaac Heeney (186cm, Sydney Academy): Under the Academy rules, Sydney can draft this hard-running midfielder, but will have to bid for him same as father/son bidding.
7: Angus Brayshaw (187c, Sandringham Dragons): A tallish, strong-bodied midfielder that Melbourne would love to acquire. Very consistent.
8: Tom Lamb (193cm, Dandenong Stingrays): A player capable of extreme highs as either a goalkicking forward or high possession midfielder.
9: Hugh Goddard (195cm, Geelong Falcons): A long-time top 5 pick who has slipped after a mediocre championships to date.
10: Caleb Marchbank (193cm, Murray Bushrangers): Hasn’t done his chances any harm in the championships and is athletic enough to play most positions.
11: Jake Lever (192cm, Calder Cannons): Won’t be seen at the championships due to a knee reconstruction but remains extremely highly thought of as a defender.
12: Lachie Weller (181cm, Gold Coast Academy): A goal kicking midfielder who can influence play via his disposal. Brother of St Kilda’s Mav.
13: Corey Ellis (185cm, Western Jets): Can win his own ball and use it with his left-foot. Regarded as a very good decision making midfielder.
14: Darcy Moore (199cm, Oakleigh Chargers): Key position either back or forward who is likely to go to Collingwood as a first round father/son pick.
15: Jordan de Goey (187cm, Oakleigh): Has a rugby background. Strong marking midfielder who can gather possessions quickly.
16: Clem Smith (177cm, Perth): Super quick defender whose attack on the ball belies his small stature. Likes to run with the ball and set up play.
17: Touk Miller (175cm, Calder Cannons): The Vic Metro captain is a highly talented natural sportsman who plays midfield/forward.
18: Brayden Maynard (186cm, Sandringham): Father Peter played for Glenelg. Plays as a mid-size defender who uses it very well.
19: Connor Blakely (187cm, Swan Districts): Has been playing good senior football in the WAFL as a midfielder. His star is rising.
20: Jayden Laverde (189cm, Western Jets): With the tendency towards taller midfielders, Laverde is ideal and he has the versatility to play defence.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jon-anderson-profiles-the-under-18s-class-of-2014-predicts-top-20-draft-picks/story-fngeflq8-1226966942629
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Eddie saying swans get top 3 pick in rookie draft via academy
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Eddie saying swans get top 3 pick in rookie draft via academy
He's effectively a F/S pick. He will go first round.
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Callum Twomey's Top 20 draftees post-U18 Championships
1. Patrick McCartin
2. Christian Petracca
3. Peter Wright
4. Isaac Heeney
5. Darcy Moore (Collingwood father/son pick).
6. Angus Brayshaw
7. Sam Durdin
8: Tom Lamb
9. Jarrod Pickett
10. Jordan de Goey
11. Corey Ellis
12. Jake Lever
13. Clem Smith
14. Lachie Weller
15. Hugh Goddard
16. Paul Ahern
17: Caleb Marchbank
18. Jayden Laverde
19. Connor Blakely
20. Ed Vickers-Willis
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-04/phantom-draft-form-guide
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I would like to take two 195cm key defenders who can kick accurately If they are available. Even if Darrou or Elton graduate to the seniors, I think we have an avg defense that needs to get better to be serious contenders. I also think Grimes won't make it due to injuries, pity.
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De Goey has quite a pedigree....already helped West Coast win a flag......
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Anyone have an idea as to who we may take with pick 4,5 or 6.
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Anyone have an idea as to who we may take with pick 4,5 or 6.
we will pick a dud.
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Anyone have an idea as to who we may take with pick 4,5 or 6.
We will pick a potential star and make him a dud.
EFA
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Crows National Recruiting Manager Hamish Ogilvie has described this year’s draft class as “very even”, saying the top 10 remains open to debate following the completion of the Under-18 National Championships.
“It’s very even. Normally, by this time of year there’s a clear top 5-8 players and everyone pretty much knows what the top 10 is going to look like, but this year it’s not as clear,” Ogilvie said.
“It’s very open and it’ll vary team by team. What we like might be different to what another team likes, so there will be plenty of surprises. Even the top 10-15 is still really open. What we might have at No.3, another club might have at 10. There are a couple of standouts on performances, but it’s really tricky.
“I think the depth is good. There are 30-40 really solid contenders.”
http://www.afc.com.au/news/2014-07-04/draft-wide-open-ogilvie
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The good 'ol RFC will likely ruin 2 or 3 of those boys careers.
30 - 40 contenders praying they don't get recruited to the AFL wreckers.
......Poor bastards.
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Brett Anderson has Ahern going to us at pick 7.
2014 AFL Mock Draft 2.0
Brett Anderson
SEN/Inside Football
9-7-2014
With the 2014 NAB AFL Under 18 Championship in the book – congratulations to South Australia and NSW/ACT for claiming the respective titles, it is time to again look forward to November’s National Draft.
Our last mock draft debuted just before the championships kicked off in late May and hopefully provided onlookers with a small insight into some of the players to keep an eye on over the proceeding six months.
Over the course of the carnival, the player rankings and likely draft order have evolved from game to game and week to week, but things are slowly starting to become clearer.
Aside from Hugh Goddard, Tom Lamb and Clem Smith, who each struggled throughout the championships (until good outings last Wednesday), and have thus dropped down the board, the top 10 players have remained fairly steady, as have the teams competing for the No. 1 pick – although Richmond flirted with the ignominy for a few weeks.
There is still plenty of football to be played in the TAC Cup, SANFL, WAFL, NEAFL and respective school and local competitions Australia wide, so movement at the top is still guaranteed.
But our second full mock draft of the year gives you a better view of the top end of this year’s draft.
Just remember that a mock draft is not a ranking of how we rank each of the players – that is a task for another day, instead it's a reporting tool to convey our latest intel from around the competition as to how the AFL clubs rate and assess this years batch of prospects.
Editor's note: The draft order for this mock was formulated based on the ladder at the end of Round 16.
1. St Kilda – Patrick McCartin
Geelong Falcons | 19/4/96 | 193cm | 92kg | Tall forward
Despite not taking the championship by storm, the Geelong spearhead remains the logical pick for the Saints who aside from Nick Riewoldt (and the untried Spencer White), have few options in the front half long term. He isn’t the finished product, but he’s the safest of the key position prospects in this draft.
2. Brisbane Lions – Peter Wright
Calder Cannons | 8/9/96 | 203cm | 102kg | Ruck/tall forward
With Matthew Leuenberger and Stefan Martin one could argue that a ruckman/forward isn’t the greatest need for a Brisbane list that still has many holes. However both Leuenberger and Martin have had their injury issues and Brad Ottens-like big man is hard to overlook.
3. Melbourne – Christian Petracca
Eastern Ranges | 4/1/96 | 186cm | 92kg | Midfielder
The 2014 Larke Medallist could well wind up being the No.1 pick – such is his form in the championships and in the TAC Cup, but the Dees who are looking to further bolster their midfield ala Fremantle and Sydney with bigger bodies will be thrilled that he is still available at three.
4. Greater Western Sydney – Angus Brayshaw
Sandringham Dragons | 9/1/96 | 187cm | 86kg | Midfielder
GWS could gone many different ways with a key defender such as Durdin or an other midfielder like Laverde or Ahern a possibility. Brayshaw however provides a good balance of inside and out and would be another good addition to a young onball group.
5. Western Bulldogs – Sam Durdin
West Adelaide | 6/6/96 | 196cm | 87kg | Tall forward/defender
With a talented young midfield group already at the kennel, Simon Dalrymple can look to fill the most glaring need – a quality key position player. Durdin can play at either end, and will take some time, but is immensely talented. Marchbank is another possibility.
6. Carlton – Caleb Marchbank
Murray Bushrangers | 7/12/96 | 194cm | 86kg | Tall forward/defender
Carlton recruiting boss said recently that the need for outside run is still high on the Blues’ agenda, but so is a quality tall. Like Durdin, Marchbank can play at either end of the ground, is a very good user on both sides of his body and rarely goes to ground – a good trait for a player his size.
7. Richmond – Paul Ahern
Calder Cannons | 1/8/96 | 182cm | 77kg | Midfielder
Two outstanding performances against WA in the carnival made people stand up and take notice of the smooth-moving midfielder/forward. The Tigers need to add some class on the outside and no player in this draft pool (Pickett aside) has as much as Ahern.
8. West Coast – Jarrod Pickett
South Fremantle | 18/8/96 | 178cm | 76kg | Midfielder
Anyone who has watched the Eagles play this season will have noticed the glaring issue they have on the outside. Their midfield is one-paced and lacks the ability to spread, whilst in attack, with Mark LeCras floating through the middle, they don’t have anyone capable of creating something from nothing – Pickett can do both.
9. Adelaide – Jake Lever
Calder Cannons | 5/3/96 | 191cm | 82kg | Medium defender
Lever missed the entire carnival with a knee injury, and wont play until next year but that doesn’t mean he falls off the radar of recruiters. Last year’s form is enough to remind them of his elite talent and if he were still on the board in the teens, it would be a shock.
10. Gold Coast – Jayden Laverde
Western Jets | 12/4/96 | 189cm | 82kg | Medium utility
Laverde had leapt into the top 20 prior to his outstanding afternoon against South Australia last week, but he showed that he could be one of the best talents in this draft crop. Athletically, he is everything Suns’ recruiter Scott Clayton looks for in a player and would fit in very nicely at half back or on a wing at Metricon.
11. North Melbourne – Lachie Weller
Southport | 23/2/96 | 181cm | 71kg | Midfielder
In adding Nick Dal Santo, North Melbourne addressed a perceived lack of class in their midfield, but that is only a short-term fix. By adding Weller they can look to other needs in future years as the classy Tasmanian turned Queenslander can compliment the inside grunt of Swallow, Ziebell, Cunnington and Greenwood.
12. Collingwood – Darcy Moore (F/S)
Oakleigh Chargers | 25/1/96 | 199cm | 93kg | Tall forward/defender
One of the most impressive tall prospects in the draft class, Moore looms as a draft bargain here considering his rating among some clubs in the top handful. He didn’t dominate the championships and like most of his fellow highly-rated talls, looked better in defence, but what he did show was more than enough.
13. Geelong – Jordan De Goey
Oakleigh Chargers | 15/3/96 | 187cm | 82kg | Medium utility
Steady is the best way to describe De Goey’s national championships and he is possibly the hardest player in this draft pool to provide an AFL comparison for (a mix between Joel Corey and Bernie Vince is the best I could come up with). He can play a number of roles and is highly rated amongst the recruiting fraternity.
14. Gold Coast – Corey Ellis
Western Jets | 9/10/96 | 185cm | 76kg | Midfielder
Skilful, quick thinking midfielder who would compliment the Suns’ envious group of high-quality midfielders beautifully. Like most others, wasn’t a standout in the championships, but if you looked close enough, it was hard to ignore his game smarts and positioning.
15. Fremantle – Tom Lamb
Dandenong Stingrays | 19/10/96 | 193cm | 84kg | Tall utility
Lamb is possibly the most intriguing prospect in the draft pool considering his athletic attributes and footy ability. He has plenty of flaws, but a move west to play under a coach who loves players who can run – he runs a level 15 beep, could be the best thing to happen to him.
16. Port Adelaide – Hugh Goddard
Geelong Falcons | 24/8/96 | 195cm | 92kg | Tall forward/defender
Like Lamb, Goddard has fallen down the pecking order after an inconsistent carnival which highlighted more flaws than strengths. He was another tall who looked much more comfortable down back where he attacked the ball with intensity. If he can put it all together, he’s super value at the bottom end of the first round.
17. Hawthorn – Liam Duggan
Western Jets | 11/12/96 | 182cm | 72kg | Midfielder
The Ben Mitchell Medallist catches the eye with his ability on both sides of his body – a rarity for a left footer, and the way he moves in traffic. He can play at half back, or on a wing and his reading of the game is in the top handful. A future league captain in the eyes of those who have worked with him the closest.
18. Sydney Swans – Isaac Heeney (A/S)
Cardiff Hawks | 5/5/96 | 186cm | 82kg | Midfielder
Much has been said about the Swans academy product and his standing in this draft pool – among the top couple. His ability both inside and out ranks him alongside Petracca and Brayshaw as the cream of the crop and at the bottom of the first round, he is absurd value for the premiership favorites.
19. Essendon – Connor Blakely (C/S)
Swan Districts | 2/3/96 | 186cm | 81kg | Midfielder
A key forward to play alongside Joe Daniher is an obvious need – just look at their depth below the young up and coming star. Its non-existent. However they also need to provide some support for skipper Jobe Watson on the inside and Blakely can do exactly that. Having played senior footy in the WAFL he is more AFL ready than most.
20. GWS Giants – Harrison Wigg (C/S)
North Adelaide | 14/10/96 | 179cm | 70kg | Medium defender
This may sound like an overstatement, but Wigg is the best kick of a football I have ever seen – at any level. His ball use out of the back half was one of the main reasons SA won their second consecutive title. He needs to work on his defensive game – as do most kids at this level, but he has a trick than few others possess.
Note...
• Gold Coast has elected to activate its first-round compensation pick (received from Geelong) which is tied to Geelong’s finishing position, meaning it will be taken immediately after the Cats’ first-round pick.
• Essendon received an end of-first-round compensation pick having been stripped of its first-round pick due to the supplement investigation, which will come before the other compensation picks at the end of the first round.
• Greater Western Sydney has elected to activate its end-of-first-round compensation pick (received from Brisbane Lions).
For all your draft questions, send them to Brett on twitter via @BrettAndersonIF
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/2014-AFL-Mock-Draft-20/70727
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...should be all over the Wigg kid...need to at least try and trade to get second first round pick...hell we need about four picks in the top 20...just like we had in 2004...oh wait....
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We need speed and more speed, this should be the first criteria before considering further.
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We need speed and more speed, this should be the first criteria before considering further.
Yeah surely we'd take Pickett before Ahern.
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Pickett is my favourite outside the top 3 or 4. What's the likelihood he would bugger off back west after a couple years though? Wouldn't mind Durdin or Wright but our mob probably think we're set to barnstorm with our current tall stocks :chuck I can never find it in myself to watch Richmond and hope to lose, but winning some crap games late meaning we'll miss a shot at someone like Petracca is a real spew.
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we will have in all likelyhood have one of picks 5 6 or 7.
ffs that pick must go on a tall what with the quality of talls that will be available. or a big bodied well rounded mid. ffs we leave so much to so few of our mids now we cant afford to take sml skinny outside players with our first pick. big ball winning mids who can play on the outside have decent pace and make damn good decisions is what our club lacks more than anything if the truth be told.
there will be plenty of opportunities with later picks to take one dimensional quick smaller players.
we really should be looking at ways to obtain more picks within the top 40.
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we will have in all likelyhood have one of picks 5 6 or 7.
ffs that pick must go on a tall what with the quality of talls that will be available. or a big bodied well rounded mid. ffs we leave so much to so few of our mids now we cant afford to take sml skinny outside players with our first pick. big ball winning mids who can play on the outside have decent pace and make damn good decisions is what our club lacks more than anything if the truth be told.
there will be plenty of opportunities with later picks to take one dimensional quick smaller players.
we really should be looking at ways to obtain more picks within the top 40.
Our mids are pretty small, Lids aside who is not a mids ass.
Cotch 185cm
Martin 187cm
Foley 178 cm
Ellis 181cm
Conca 185 cm
Edwards 182 cm
Thomas 186cm
Jackson 188cm
Miles 179cm
Vlaustin 187cm
Arnot 180cm
I agree with with Claw, we need a couple of tall GENUINE big bodied class onballers like
Mundy 192cm
Barlow 189 cm
Fyfe 190cm
Crowley 188cm
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Plough's latest rolling top 20 for this year's draft:
1. McCartin (St K)
2. Petracca (Bris)
3. Brayshaw (Melb)
4. Wright (GWS)
5. Durdin (WB)
6. Ahern (Carl)
7. Pickett (Rich)
8. Laverde (WCE)
9. Duggan (Adel)
10. Marchbank (GC)
11. Ellis (Ess)
12. Moore (Coll - F/S)
13. Langford (NM)
14. Lamb (Port)
15. Lever (Freo)
16. Vickers-Willis (Geel)
17. Goddard (Haw)
18. Heeney (Syd - NSW academy)
19. De Goey (Ess - compo pick)
20. Weller (GWS - compo pick)
Source: TAC Future Stars
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Leverde for mine at this early stage.
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why is Essendons name appearing so early in the pecking order,i thought they were barred from early picks unless they traded
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(Ess - compo pick) for drug cheating i suppose
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why is Essendons name appearing so early in the pecking order,i thought they were barred from early picks unless they traded
was only for 1 draft wasn't it?
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Two
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one pick for us wont make any difference, we need 2 or 3 picks in the top 20 to try and bring some class young into the club - 1 pick aint gonna do anything
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2 but can trade into the draft. Right judge?
They are a disgrace whichever way you look at it
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why is Essendons name appearing so early in the pecking order,i thought they were barred from early picks unless they traded
was only for 1 draft wasn't it?
No for two. They managed to weasel back an end of first round pick for this year.
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one pick for us wont make any difference, we need 2 or 3 picks in the top 20 to try and bring some class young into the club - 1 pick aint gonna do anything
I think if we remained 12th we would have picks 7, 26, 44, 62. We would need to trade into the late 1st round or early 2nd round to get 3 picks inside the top 26.
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Plough's latest rolling top 20 for this year's draft:
1. McCartin (St K)
2. Petracca (Bris)
3. Brayshaw (Melb)
4. Wright (GWS)
5. Durdin (WB)
6. Ahern (Carl)
7. Pickett (Rich)
8. Laverde (WCE)
9. Duggan (Adel)
10. Marchbank (GC)
11. Ellis (Ess)
12. Moore (Coll - F/S)
13. Langford (NM)
14. Lamb (Port)
15. Lever (Freo)
16. Vickers-Willis (Geel)
17. Goddard (Haw)
18. Heeney (Syd - NSW academy)
19. De Goey (Ess - compo pick)
20. Weller (GWS - compo pick)
Source: TAC Future Stars
I know people see us as needing to add leg speed but I get nervous when these outside speedster types are considered a top 10 pick (granted it's Wallace's). We've been down that road at least twice before with Fiora and Tambling :P. The best speedsters in the game use their pace as much defensively running down opposition players and applying forward-line pressure as they use that pace offensively. What I've read about Pickett is he is a one-way runner at this stage. For those here that have actually seen him play is that true?
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Whoever we take will never be the right choice unless the culture issues are addressed, the disease is cured and the standards are raised.
We need to get out of this...(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/toilet/full-of-crap.gif)
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Whoever we take will never be the right choice unless the culture issues are addressed, the disease is cured and the standards are raised.
We need to get out of this...(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/toilet/full-of-crap.gif)
Culture wasn't mentioned last year when we were winning. But as soon as we start loosing it's a culture thing. I don't buy it.
People start looking for excuses when we loose but it's got nothing to do with culture, it's because we have a horrible game plan and a pig headed coach.
The fact that we draft badly and our development is putrid is why we have been so bad for so long.
We have had different people in and out of this club for 30 years, you cannot tell me they all have created this 'bad culture'
We need a better coaching team and better players and this problem will take care of itself when we start winning games.
What's the bet if we ever win another premiership that the coach will be heralded the bloke that cured our culture problem. But in reality his team has just coached, developed, traded and drafted well.
Bad culture is just another way of saying your club is bad at making good footy decisions.
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Ahern/Laverde then Billy Evans later in the draft would be an ok result for us IMHO but I would like to see us get say 4 or 5 picks in the top 30 to 35 picks.
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Whoever we take will never be the right choice unless the culture issues are addressed, the disease is cured and the standards are raised.
We need to get out of this...(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/toilet/full-of-crap.gif)
Culture wasn't mentioned last year when we were winning. But as soon as we start loosing it's a culture thing. I don't buy it.
People start looking for excuses when we loose but it's got nothing to do with culture, it's because we have a horrible game plan and a pig headed coach.
The fact that we draft badly and our development is putrid is why we have been so bad for so long.
We have had different people in and out of this club for 30 years, you cannot tell me they all have created this 'bad culture'
We need a better coaching team and better players and this problem will take care of itself when we start winning games.
What's the bet if we ever win another premiership that the coach will be heralded the bloke that cured our culture problem. But in reality his team has just coached, developed, traded and drafted well.
Bad culture is just another way of saying your club is bad at making good footy decisions.
I was still mentioning it last year and a few others too.
Last year as much as I enjoyed the wins I could see a pattern emerging that I didn't like. There's one thing that you need above anything else to be a successful finals team and that's toughness. I knew that the soft easy, uncontested nature of our play was never going to be successful during finals. We were found out in round 21 and our worst nightmare realised in the elimination final. Soft footy won't give you sustained success. And players were still getting games on the back of substandard performances.
I know what your saying though....
But Culture is all encompassing. It's the unknown force that drives a club. Good culture raises the standards, it's not satisfied with good enough, it makes the ordinary players better and gets consistant results, good culture raises the expectations, is always in the contest, is pushing for the ultimate prize and fight and fights to win.
Bad culture excepts mediocrity, is satisfied with near enough, pats you on the back of one finals game in twelve years, is shaken by the frenzy of expectation, it makes good players bad, it accepts mediocrity and rewards it and its happy because near enough is good enough.
Problem is that we only hope that the coaching staff/president/board/CEO address the issues.
You only know it hasn't been properly addressed when the same problems resurface, ie. development stagnates, players get worse, mediocrity gets rewarded etc.
But there's a major difference between clubs that persue excellence. Dermott was talking about it on Saturday on SEN. They had to change things at the club and approach things differently.
And sometimes a guy walks in (Clarkson) and does exactly what's required to change the way things are done and excellence is demanded and not just an option.
I remember earlier this year when the commentators were talking about the differences between clubs, coaching philosophy, facilities, player comradery and mateship etc. Campbell Brown was asked what he thought the major difference he had noticed when going from one club to another, he said when he looks back there's one thing that stands out more than anything and that was "Standards".
He said at Hawthorn they were pedantic at doing everything perfectly.
Even recently Sam Newman asked our captain about culture and if he wonders why teams like Hawthorn & Geelong are perpetually successful and why Richmond continue to struggle time after time.
Let's face it, unless your within the four walls we don't really know what it's like and we all hope they are doing the things required to make them a successful team with ongoing sustained success. So we as supporters hope that they will eventually acheive the results we are all looking for.
Hardwick, Gale and the players are all left scratching there heads as to why this year has turned out this way but as gutted as we all are, we as supporters of this club aren't really suprised to see it all fall over once again. The cycle that continues to re-emerge time after time and no one at the club has any answers for it makes me real angry and disappointed.
I really thought Wallace was going to bring in a culture of excellence but he didn't. I thought Hardwick did but what we see is the same pattern all over again, rewarding mediocrity, development stagnates or declines, standards are lowered you know it's been a complete balls up and they have failed to address the bigger issues again.
Everytime I hear Tom Harley or Cam Mooney or Cameron Ling on footy commentary and they see things that happen on the field that are basic team orientated things that aren't adhered too they say that those things were just expected at Geelong, we all knew what was expected of us and it didn't matter who was brought in they also knew what was expected also because those things were gospel.
I'm not saying its easy to change culture and I'm not saying they haven't made some inroads as to addressing the issues yet but it's the evidence that we see game day that makes me question what's been done at the club.
If it's not culture but recruiting but we have more resources than ever before.
If it's not culture but development but we have more resources in development than ever before.
If it's not culture but just bad coaches but we have pumped more money into football operations than ever before.
But once again the commentators are laughing at us because we wheel out a gantry with a punching bag because we want to be tougher in training simulation. It's embarrassing.
We haven't got excuses anymore but we still are going backwards and the same problems resurface again and again.
Just ask anyone at Sydney if culture isn't important. Paul Roos spoke about it earlier this year when he said “I just get a little bit surprised that every thing goes back to Jack Watts. We have a lot more problems at this club,” Roos said.
Now the Melbourne players talk about the culture changes he's made while he's come to the club. Players start improving and things get better.
I'm not saying it's not development or recruiting or game plan etc. what I am saying is that if culture is addressed and excellence is the standard then everything else falls into place. Recruiting gets better and development is better and on game day the coach has leaders that will adhere to the team rules and enforce those on the field too.
I only hope that last years debacle and this years inevitable decline has everyone at the club waking up and they end up improving on everything so that one day we all won't be complaining anymore but rejoicing together in the ecstasy of another premiership and and era of sustained success.
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Culture is just another word for standards and our standards are low.
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Spot on post Mr T! :thumbsup :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Road to the Draft podcast: Top 20 analysis
afl.com.au
July 24, 2014
AFL.com.au's draft reporter Callum Twomey and host Nat Edwards discuss all the latest action from the most talented prospects around the country.
The podcast delves into the first Phantom Form Guide of 2015 by analysing the top 20 players for this year, and offers some names who are in the mix to push into the next update.
AUDIO: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-24/road-to-the-draft
Twomey's choice for those just outside the top 20 (ie. 2nd rounders):
Touk Miller
Lucas Webb
Davis (NSW academy)
Harrison Wigg
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Dan Howe
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From the TAC Cup Future Stars show, Plough's latest update of his running top 10 phantom draft:
1. St Kilda – Patrick McCartin - Geelong Falcons | 19/4/96 | 193cm | 92kg | Tall forward
2. Melbourne – Christian Petracca - Eastern Ranges | 4/1/96 | 186cm | 92kg | Midfielder
3. GWS – Peter Wright - Calder Cannons | 8/9/96 | 203cm | 102kg | Ruck/tall forward
4. Brisbane – Angus Brayshaw - Sandringham Dragons | 9/1/96 | 187cm | 86kg | Midfielder
5. W.Bulldogs – Sam Durdin - West Adelaide | 6/6/96 | 196cm | 87kg | Tall forward/defender
6. Carlton – Jayden Laverde - Western Jets | 12/4/96 | 189cm | 82kg | Medium utility
7. Richmond – Liam Duggan - Western Jets | 11/12/96 | 182cm | 72kg | Midfielder
8. West Coast – Paul Ahern - Calder Cannons | 1/8/96 | 182cm | 77kg | Midfielder
9. Adelaide – Caleb Marchbank - Murray Bushrangers | 7/12/96 | 194cm | 86kg | Tall forward/defender
10. Gold Coast – Jarrod Pickett - South Fremantle | 18/8/96 | 178cm | 76kg | Midfielder
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No.1 draft pick up for grabs: Twomey
Matt Burgan
MFC website
August 1, 2014
THIS year’s NAB AFL Draft is shaping up as being “even” at the top end, with “no clear standout” for the No.1 pick, according to AFL Media reporter and draft guru Callum Twomey.
Twomey, who specialises in reporting and analysing the draft and recruiting period, said the top few picks were far from settled.
“You look back to last year’s draft and you could put it in order by this stage of the year,” he told Dee TV.
“I think everyone knew that Jack Billings, Josh Kelly and Tom Boyd were all going to be there right in the top three and then Christian Salem at the Dees, we knew he’d be a top 10 pick … this year, it’s wide open.
“There is no Lachie Whitfield, Tom Boyd, Jonathon Patton or David Swallow either [locked in for the No.1 pick], so there are a few options.”
Twomey said midfielder Christian Petracca, plus talls Patrick McCartin and Peter Wright were firming as top three picks. Other midfielders Paul Ahern, Angus Brayshaw and Isaac Heeney have also been considered top candidates.
Heeney is a Swans academy prospect and Darcy Moore is a father/son prospect for Collingwood, as his champion father Peter didn’t play enough matches with Melbourne, despite winning a Brownlow Medal for the Demons in 1984.
Twomey said the Demons would “love a player like Christian Petracca”.
“He’s hard-bodied and just prolific in the midfield. He’s turned himself into a midfielder this year. Last year, he was a half-forward, who kicked goals. This year, he was a midfielder who just does it all and is powerful and quick,” he said.
“He’s from a basketball background, so he’s quite versatile and agile in tight spaces and he’s just a monster – you’d expect to see him play next year, if he arrived at the Melbourne footy club or any footy club for that matter.
“[Melbourne] has got Jesse Hogan coming through, but Patrick McCartin and Peter Wright are right at the top end.”
Twomey said the likes of Sandringham Dragon Ed Vickers-Willis, and Western Australian duo Clem Smith and Jarrod Garlett were in the mix for second round picks.
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-08-01/no1-draft-pick-up-for-grabs-twomey
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Road to the Draft podcast: Top 20 analysis
afl.com.au
July 24, 2014
AFL.com.au's draft reporter Callum Twomey and host Nat Edwards discuss all the latest action from the most talented prospects around the country.
The podcast delves into the first Phantom Form Guide of 2015 by analysing the top 20 players for this year, and offers some names who are in the mix to push into the next update.
AUDIO: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-24/road-to-the-draft
Twomey's choice for those just outside the top 20 (ie. 2nd rounders):
Touk Miller
Lucas Webb
Davis (NSW academy)
Harrison Wigg
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Dan Howe
dan Howe will play in our vfl team at end of season. Will replace Drummond.
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Callum Twomey's latest Top 20 draftees ...
Ignoring Heeney and Moore, Laverde would be available at our current pick 7.
1. Petracca
2. McCartin
3. Wright
4. Heeney (Swans' academy pick)
5. Brayshaw
6. Moore (Collingwood's F/S pick)
7. Pickett
8. Durdin
9. Laverde
10. Ahern
11. De Goey
12. Lever
13. Ellis
14. Lamb
15. Weller
16. Marchbank
17. Goddard
18. Duggan
19. Blakely
20. Clem Smith
Full details at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-15/phantom-draft-form-guide?utm_medium=RSS
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Clem Smith is close to the most overrated prospect of all time. He's small, can't kick and Undisciplined. Where do we sign?
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Clem Smith is close to the most overrated prospect of all time. He's small, can't kick and Undisciplined. Where do we sign?
Apparently a bit like Byron Pickett. Will endear himself to the faithful!
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Clem Smith is close to the most overrated prospect of all time. He's small, can't kick and Undisciplined. Where do we sign?
Apparently a bit like Byron Pickett. Will endear himself to the faithful!
Yeah he's tough as nails. But gives away a heap of silly frees, his skills are poor and he's a short arse. Whose giving up a top 20 pick for that? Probably Melbourne. ;D
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Would love to get Durdin at 7 or 8. What a steal.
Jake Lever the other one...
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Culture is just another word for standards and our standards are low.
Culture is another word for values.
Values are what you stand for.
Once you get that right, standards become easier to hold people to account.
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Would love to get Durdin at 7 or 8. What a steal.
Jake Lever the other one...
Agree. Can't see it happening though. ...
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Would love to get Durdin at 7 or 8. What a steal.
Jake Lever the other one...
Would be over the moon. Can't see it myself.
Weller is the one for me. Really classy type.
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Weller is the one for me. Really classy type.
He will go to either Adelaide or Port. :shh
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Jake Lever would be a great get. :thumbsup
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James Boogie Esq. for mine at our pick. Long term player right here IMO doc.
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Still hasn't put it together with any consistency yet. Has all the tools but may be a bit more of a slow burn IMO.
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Still hasn't put it together with any consistency yet. Has all the tools but may be a bit more of a slow burn IMO.
What selection do you think he will go?
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Still hasn't put it together with any consistency yet. Has all the tools but may be a bit more of a slow burn IMO.
What selection do you think he will go?
Probably 6-10. Could see a West Coast grabbing him. They desperately need some speed and class. Adelaide as well. If we lose to Sydney we will pick before them though.
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Still hasn't put it together with any consistency yet. Has all the tools but may be a bit more of a slow burn IMO.
What selection do you think he will go?
Probably 6-10. Could see a West Coast grabbing him. They desperately need some speed and class. Adelaide as well. If we lose to Sydney we will pick before them though.
if i was looking for speed and class pickett would be the one for me.
its probably a silly thing but my gripe with pickett is his size, i hate useing first rnd picks on players below 180cm but pickett is one.
what i wouldnt give to have a pick at around 15.
10, 15, 28, one could do some real damage with those picks and potentially target and fix one of the areas that need fixing for the next 10 yrs.lets say kpd is the targeted area
im hoping some one like durdin would be there at our first pick 7 thru 11. and marchbank or lever available at 15.
lets say mids how good would it be to get two of pickett, weller, and brayshaw.
or do we say we have needs everywhere and we try and address each area.
i really hope we at least try and trade into nd picks like i said one at 15 and one at 25 or there abouts would be fantastic.geez 10 15, 25, 28, and 46 would enable us to invest heavily in the nd targeting youth and list weaknesses and all with pretty decent picks.
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Still hasn't put it together with any consistency yet. Has all the tools but may be a bit more of a slow burn IMO.
What selection do you think he will go?
Probably 6-10. Could see a West Coast grabbing him. They desperately need some speed and class. Adelaide as well. If we lose to Sydney we will pick before them though.
if i was looking for speed and class pickett would be the one for me.
its probably a silly thing but my gripe with pickett is his size, i hate useing first rnd picks on players below 180cm but pickett is one.
what i wouldnt give to have a pick at around 15.
10, 15, 28, one could do some real damage with those picks and potentially target and fix one of the areas that need fixing for the next 10 yrs.lets say kpd is the targeted area
im hoping some one like durdin would be there at our first pick 7 thru 11. and marchbank or lever available at 15.
lets say mids how good would it be to get two of pickett, weller, and brayshaw.
or do we say we have needs everywhere and we try and address each area.
i really hope we at least try and trade into nd picks like i said one at 15 and one at 25 or there abouts would be fantastic.geez 10 15, 25, 28, and 46 would enable us to invest heavily in the nd targeting youth and list weaknesses and all with pretty decent picks.
I rate Jarrod Garlett as equal to Pickett and he may be there for our second rounder. Would rather take Durdin, Lever, Weller in that order for our first rounder and hope Garlett slides to our second.
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Still hasn't put it together with any consistency yet. Has all the tools but may be a bit more of a slow burn IMO.
What selection do you think he will go?
Probably 6-10. Could see a West Coast grabbing him. They desperately need some speed and class. Adelaide as well. If we lose to Sydney we will pick before them though.
If he hasn't been consistent yet, why do you think he will go that early?
I hope FJ has him in his sights, the kid has some real class IMO.
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Still hasn't put it together with any consistency yet. Has all the tools but may be a bit more of a slow burn IMO.
What selection do you think he will go?
Probably 6-10. Could see a West Coast grabbing him. They desperately need some speed and class. Adelaide as well. If we lose to Sydney we will pick before them though.
If he hasn't been consistent yet, why do you think he will go that early?
I hope FJ has him in his sights, the kid has some real class IMO.
I think with the recent success of guys like Macrae and Bontempelli who are similar as that tall, rangy x-factor type of mid, someone will take him on what he could become rather than what he has done so far. Hopefully we are in with a shot.
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Still hasn't put it together with any consistency yet. Has all the tools but may be a bit more of a slow burn IMO.
What selection do you think he will go?
Probably 6-10. Could see a West Coast grabbing him. They desperately need some speed and class. Adelaide as well. If we lose to Sydney we will pick before them though.
if i was looking for speed and class pickett would be the one for me.
its probably a silly thing but my gripe with pickett is his size, i hate useing first rnd picks on players below 180cm but pickett is one.
what i wouldnt give to have a pick at around 15.
10, 15, 28, one could do some real damage with those picks and potentially target and fix one of the areas that need fixing for the next 10 yrs.lets say kpd is the targeted area
im hoping some one like durdin would be there at our first pick 7 thru 11. and marchbank or lever available at 15.
lets say mids how good would it be to get two of pickett, weller, and brayshaw.
or do we say we have needs everywhere and we try and address each area.
i really hope we at least try and trade into nd picks like i said one at 15 and one at 25 or there abouts would be fantastic.geez 10 15, 25, 28, and 46 would enable us to invest heavily in the nd targeting youth and list weaknesses and all with pretty decent picks.
Personally like Aidan Anderson from WA as an x-factor type who I think is better value than a Pickett. Or as YBB says Jarrod Garlett. Much better value in those rounds than using a 1st rounder on Pickett who I do like.
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I hope we somehow snag that Wigg kid. Footskills skills like his are priceless. Especially at our club.
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Im hearing that he is very well liked by the Richmond recruiting team
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Pretty happy with mcbean Vickery Griffith's
Bit worried about grigg Newman pettard Foley's etc.
Hoping we get mids ffirst pick or two
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Im hearing that he is very well liked by the Richmond recruiting team
Seems that way. Usually it turns out to be true. :lol
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Im hearing that he is very well liked by the Richmond recruiting team
:thumbsup
Good source?
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Jaydoen Laverde looks like a pretty promising prospect. Good size and can do it all by the looks of it.
Im hearing that he is very well liked by the Richmond recruiting team
:thumbsup
Good source?
I've heard this too bt...
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If Jake Owen is still available in the 3rd or 4th round, GET HIM!
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From the Bound For Glory site:
TAC Cup radio commentator and draft expert Paige Cardona is back to roll out the third edition of her phantom draft series. With plenty of movement in the first round, Paige goes the full whack and delivers four complete rounds comprising of over 70 draft profiles.
Academy and father-son selections have been taken into account, whilst a number of 19-year-olds overlooked in 2013 find their way into Paige’s mock draft. A few players passed over for national draft combine invites are also mentioned, whilst Paige tips that one particular former AFL player gets an AFL reprieve.
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Pick 7: Richmond - Lachie Weller
Position: Midfielder
Height: 181 cm, Weight: 71 kg, DOB: 23/02/1996
Club: Broadbeach
Projected draft range: 6-15
Player comparison: Dayne Beams
Incredibly underrated and by far one of the most polished kicks of the draft, Lachie Weller’s outside polish will address the need for speed and outside flair for the Tigers. A brilliant decision maker, and a player that plays with a certain flair, Weller has been part of Gold Coast’s Academy. However, he is ineligible to be selected by them in the bidding process, given he hasn’t resided in Queensland long enough to warrant a zone selection. Weller is arguably the most well-rounded and refined midfielder in this year’s draft crop. The medium-sized midfielder wins his own ball on the inside, and can hurt the opposition on the outside. An exciting speedster that is pure silk, Weller makes good decisions with the ball in hand, but his work-ethic, gut-running and efficient link up play are outstanding traits that dominated the National Championships in division two. He and his St Kilda-listed brother Maverick are polar opposites, but Weller junior is the pick of the two. He has terrific hands and an equally brilliant kick. He’s got serious depth in the way he moves the ball by foot, whether long or short, and is a danger at the stoppages where his clearance and tackling rate are of the highest quality. Quite a busy, high-production midfielder, Weller has played senior NEAFL football as well as benefiting from having access to Gold Coast as a part of their academy. He wins a heap of the footy, kicks goals and is a well-rounded leader for his age. He averaged 18.3 disposals at 75 per cent disposal efficiency, along with a goal, two marks and two clearances a game during the National Championships.
http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-3-0/ (http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-3-0/)
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From the Bound For Glory site:
TAC Cup radio commentator and draft expert Paige Cardona is back to roll out the third edition of her phantom draft series. With plenty of movement in the first round, Paige goes the full whack and delivers four complete rounds comprising of over 70 draft profiles.
Academy and father-son selections have been taken into account, whilst a number of 19-year-olds overlooked in 2013 find their way into Paige’s mock draft. A few players passed over for national draft combine invites are also mentioned, whilst Paige tips that one particular former AFL player gets an AFL reprieve.
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Pick 7: Richmond - Lachie Weller
Position: Midfielder
Height: 181 cm, Weight: 71 kg, DOB: 23/02/1996
Club: Broadbeach
Projected draft range: 6-15
Player comparison: Dayne Beams
Incredibly underrated and by far one of the most polished kicks of the draft, Lachie Weller’s outside polish will address the need for speed and outside flair for the Tigers. A brilliant decision maker, and a player that plays with a certain flair, Weller has been part of Gold Coast’s Academy. However, he is ineligible to be selected by them in the bidding process, given he hasn’t resided in Queensland long enough to warrant a zone selection. Weller is arguably the most well-rounded and refined midfielder in this year’s draft crop. The medium-sized midfielder wins his own ball on the inside, and can hurt the opposition on the outside. An exciting speedster that is pure silk, Weller makes good decisions with the ball in hand, but his work-ethic, gut-running and efficient link up play are outstanding traits that dominated the National Championships in division two. He and his St Kilda-listed brother Maverick are polar opposites, but Weller junior is the pick of the two. He has terrific hands and an equally brilliant kick. He’s got serious depth in the way he moves the ball by foot, whether long or short, and is a danger at the stoppages where his clearance and tackling rate are of the highest quality. Quite a busy, high-production midfielder, Weller has played senior NEAFL football as well as benefiting from having access to Gold Coast as a part of their academy. He wins a heap of the footy, kicks goals and is a well-rounded leader for his age. He averaged 18.3 disposals at 75 per cent disposal efficiency, along with a goal, two marks and two clearances a game during the National Championships.
http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-3-0/ (http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-3-0/)
Would be good to keep a monopoly on the broadbeach stars of the comp
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Mcgaune coming back?
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A Weller from QLD. God help us.
I have a general concern in drafting a Div 2 guy in the first round. Tambling is responsible for creating that concern.
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From the Bound For Glory site:
TAC Cup radio commentator and draft expert Paige Cardona is back to roll out the third edition of her phantom draft series. With plenty of movement in the first round, Paige goes the full whack and delivers four complete rounds comprising of over 70 draft profiles.
Academy and father-son selections have been taken into account, whilst a number of 19-year-olds overlooked in 2013 find their way into Paige’s mock draft. A few players passed over for national draft combine invites are also mentioned, whilst Paige tips that one particular former AFL player gets an AFL reprieve.
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Pick 7: Richmond - Lachie Weller
Position: Midfielder
Height: 181 cm, Weight: 71 kg, DOB: 23/02/1996
Club: Broadbeach
Projected draft range: 6-15
Player comparison: Dayne Beams
Incredibly underrated and by far one of the most polished kicks of the draft, Lachie Weller’s outside polish will address the need for speed and outside flair for the Tigers. A brilliant decision maker, and a player that plays with a certain flair, Weller has been part of Gold Coast’s Academy. However, he is ineligible to be selected by them in the bidding process, given he hasn’t resided in Queensland long enough to warrant a zone selection. Weller is arguably the most well-rounded and refined midfielder in this year’s draft crop. The medium-sized midfielder wins his own ball on the inside, and can hurt the opposition on the outside. An exciting speedster that is pure silk, Weller makes good decisions with the ball in hand, but his work-ethic, gut-running and efficient link up play are outstanding traits that dominated the National Championships in division two. He and his St Kilda-listed brother Maverick are polar opposites, but Weller junior is the pick of the two. He has terrific hands and an equally brilliant kick. He’s got serious depth in the way he moves the ball by foot, whether long or short, and is a danger at the stoppages where his clearance and tackling rate are of the highest quality. Quite a busy, high-production midfielder, Weller has played senior NEAFL football as well as benefiting from having access to Gold Coast as a part of their academy. He wins a heap of the footy, kicks goals and is a well-rounded leader for his age. He averaged 18.3 disposals at 75 per cent disposal efficiency, along with a goal, two marks and two clearances a game during the National Championships.
http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-3-0/ (http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-3-0/)
Would be good to keep a monopoly on the broadbeach stars of the comp
read an article on weller in the AFLQ website....mad tiger supporter growing up also