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Title: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: 🏅Dooks on May 04, 2014, 10:33:32 AM
Thinking our playing list isnt overcooked? Consider this prior to todays game:-

Average Age:-

Richmond:- 24.0
Geelong:- 23.4

Averge games experience:-
Richmond:- 63
Geelong:- 61

So we are older and more experienced than Geelong. Yet arent good enough to polish their shoes.

 :-\

Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Phil Mrakov on May 04, 2014, 10:39:54 AM
Thinking our playing list isnt overcooked? Consider this prior to todays game:-

Average Age:-

Richmond:- 24.0
Geelong:- 23.4

Averge games experience:-
Richmond:- 63
Geelong:- 61

So we are older and more experienced than Geelong. Yet arent good enough to polish their shoes.

 :-\

Are these today's sides?
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Rampstar on May 04, 2014, 10:46:06 AM
Thinking our playing list isnt overcooked? Consider this prior to todays game:-

Average Age:-

Richmond:- 24.0
Geelong:- 23.4

Averge games experience:-
Richmond:- 63
Geelong:- 61

So we are older and more experienced than Geelong. Yet arent good enough to polish their shoes.

 :-\

sums up why the hardwick rebuild has gone to the dogs. another 4 years down the crapper for no result.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Phil Mrakov on May 04, 2014, 10:47:52 AM
Thinking our playing list isnt overcooked? Consider this prior to todays game:-

Average Age:-

Richmond:- 24.0
Geelong:- 23.4

Averge games experience:-
Richmond:- 63
Geelong:- 61

So we are older and more experienced than Geelong. Yet arent good enough to polish their shoes.

 :-\

sums up why the hardwick rebuild has gone to the dogs. another 4 years down the crapper for no result.

Our key players are under 25 though
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on May 04, 2014, 10:50:47 AM
Thinking our playing list isnt overcooked? Consider this prior to todays game:-

Average Age:-

Richmond:- 24.0
Geelong:- 23.4

Averge games experience:-
Richmond:- 63
Geelong:- 61

So we are older and more experienced than Geelong. Yet arent good enough to polish their shoes.

 :-\

sums up why the hardwick rebuild has gone to the dogs. another 4 years down the crapper for no result.

Our key players are under 25 though

Drop Newman, Petturd, Chaplin and Thomas.
Already looking better and younger imo  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Rampstar on May 04, 2014, 10:59:24 AM
Thinking our playing list isnt overcooked? Consider this prior to todays game:-

Average Age:-

Richmond:- 24.0
Geelong:- 23.4

Averge games experience:-
Richmond:- 63
Geelong:- 61

So we are older and more experienced than Geelong. Yet arent good enough to polish their shoes.

 :-\

sums up why the hardwick rebuild has gone to the dogs. another 4 years down the crapper for no result.

Our key players are under 25 though

Drop Newman, Petturd, Chaplin and Thomas.
Already looking better and younger imo  :thumbsup

problem is they are considered starting 22 players. unlikely theyd get dropped especially the first 3.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: 1980 I Was There on May 04, 2014, 11:34:18 AM
Thinking our playing list isnt overcooked? Consider this prior to todays game:-

Average Age:-

Richmond:- 24.0
Geelong:- 23.4

Averge games experience:-
Richmond:- 63
Geelong:- 61

So we are older and more experienced than Geelong. Yet arent good enough to polish their shoes.

 :-\
Averages can be extremely deceiving.
Take for instance. "A man drowned in a river that had an average depth of 12 cm"

This is after last week's game and before today's game and any changes that were made, and with the current 22 players (that played last week, not the whole team) having a combined total, not average.
Oh and it's not age that matters so much it's the experience a player has gained over time that is the most important factor of all.

Richmond - Games Experience 1678. Goal kicking experience 940
Geelong -   Games Experience 2399. Goal kicking experience 1697

After ins and outs have been completed before the start of round 7

Richmond - Games Experience 2001. Goals kicking experience 1226
Geelong   - Games Experience 2450. Goals kicking experience 1763

With the ins and outs complete
Richmond has gained 323 games of experience where geelong has only gained 51 games of experience.
Richmond has gained 286 goal kicking experience where geelong has only gained 66 goal kicking experience.

This where Richmond have a chance of winning today, the greater elevation of experience over geelong. But the fact remains geelong are far more experienced than we are in every area of the game, so technically they should win.

As I keep saying we have an very inexperienced side and to keep getting new players to try and fill the void is just ridiculous. And to keep getting recycled old players is death in the making.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 04, 2014, 11:48:39 AM
 :banghead :sleep
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on May 04, 2014, 11:57:12 AM
Hey knuckleheads, what is the avg position on the ladder of these 2 clubs over the past 5 years?
More relevant to this thread
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: bojangles17 on May 04, 2014, 12:12:02 PM
Drop Chaplin and Newman from the side and it goes to 19.1.... Batchelor and miles will replace these two veterans as we start drawing on the veritable warehouse of talent at punt rd  :shh
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: TigerMonk on May 04, 2014, 12:51:07 PM
It shows that our window of opportunities, which was very good last year closed in that final against Carlton. We went in with broken bodies because the club felt sorry for players who might miss out. Our abilities are mixed up with our capabilities. We don't have the back up players we require to be powerful cause we stuck with Coburg trying to rescue their club when we forgot about our club & our professionalism. The scoreboard is never wrong & tells a thousand stories where we are at. If them players don't stand up today we will be dwellers for along time to come because the other clubs are getting a edge on us. We must clean out the rot at the club & get rid of the passengers
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Rampstar on May 04, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
Monkey just telling it how it is. We are a rabble.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 04, 2014, 01:02:32 PM
This is serious Problem

proof richmond and dimma lost the plot

Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 04, 2014, 01:58:14 PM
Drop Chaplin and Newman from the side and it goes to 19.1.... Batchelor and miles will replace these two veterans as we start drawing on the veritable warehouse of talent at punt rd  :shh

Can you be bothered showing proof / working out

Seeing as there are only one 19 year olds on the team this seems untrue

Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: 1980 I Was There on May 04, 2014, 05:11:07 PM
This is serious Problem

proof richmond and dimma lost the plot
This post is about averages, it's not even close to the real facts.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 04, 2014, 06:11:01 PM
What do you mean

Maths is fact not opinion
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: 1980 I Was There on May 04, 2014, 06:22:17 PM
What do you mean

Maths is fact not opinion
I mean that averages are done in a way that people want to present information in a way that gets their idea across in the way they want it to.

We do not field a side that has superior game experience, it's about 400 games short of it.

I wrote about this in a post on the previous page, which was about why using averages doesn't always work well.
Straight up numbers work better.

For example..
On averages Tony Lockett kicked 6.4 goals per match (can't remember the exact number) for his career.
My point, how can you kick point four of a goal?
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: the claw on May 04, 2014, 08:08:04 PM
geez we have done this to death.
last yrs elimination final side had an average age of
25yrs/112 days.
it averaged
104 games per player.
it contained
11 who had played more than 100 games.
7 who had played between 50 and 99 games
2 had played less than 40 games and one of them grimes was a 22 yr old.

the side contained
3 juniors 18-21
8 development 22 - 24
11 mature + vets 25yrs plus.

i argued last yr we had no need to top up with so many mature players  as there was at last no age or experience gaps to fix. sure we could do with some more experience as long as its good quality.
the only player missing from that e/f side is tuck. every other player is now 7 months older

when you look at both gf sides from last yr they both averaged 26yrs plus.
hawks ave 139 games per player
freo ave 115 per player.
this suggests to me that we are in the right brackets as far as age and experience of our top 25 or so players go to be in the 8 or even top 4. this was the case last yr.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Stripes on May 04, 2014, 08:20:14 PM
Almost all their best players and match winners are nearing the end of their careers. Ours aren't.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: tony_montana on May 04, 2014, 08:24:51 PM
Do we have any match winners? Not being a smartarse, legit question. I think we have 3 or 4 who are capable of being match winners without actually proving it. Bc when the going gets tough I honestly don't feel or expect a certain player to stand up and win the game for us.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: 🏅Dooks on May 04, 2014, 09:15:43 PM
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Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: the claw on May 04, 2014, 09:26:01 PM
Almost all their best players and match winners are nearing the end of their careers. Ours aren't.
not sure about that. i think clubs like sydney,hawthorn, geelong even collingwood have been very good at succesion planning.
anyway the question to be asked is do we have the quality and depth id say no and i think most would agree with me. this is one reason why we should have still been in development mode.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Stripes on May 04, 2014, 10:13:41 PM
Almost all their best players and match winners are nearing the end of their careers. Ours aren't.
not sure about that. i think clubs like sydney,hawthorn, geelong even collingwood have been very good at succesion planning.
anyway the question to be asked is do we have the quality and depth id say no and i think most would agree with me. this is one reason why we should have still been in development mode.

Most of the better sides are always in development mode - they never dip down the ladder far but keep recruiting and trading in players to improve their list. Collingwood are a prime example. We are not as advanced as they are at this stage but we are now on the path. This will be made easier over the next couple of uncompromised drafts.

Todays game was turned by players like Bartel, Johnson, Taylor, Kelly, Longergan and McIntosh. The first three in particular were the biggest difference in the game along with Selwood. The same players were the difference in the last close game we played and narrowly lost against them.

We still need to continue to develop our side and inject more talent into it to join these other teams but in a few years I believe we will get there. I'm excited by the development of some out younger players who could not get a game last year such as Griffiths and Astbury the the inclusion of players like Miles and Lloyd. If we continue to create competition for spots and force the rapid development of players like Lennon, McBean, McIntosh and Dea we are well on the way.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Willy on May 04, 2014, 11:15:05 PM
Good teams can sell good mature players for high draft picks. The bastards cheat!
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 05, 2014, 07:52:33 AM
Do we have any match winners? Not being a smartarse, legit question. I think we have 3 or 4 who are capable of being match winners without actually proving it. Bc when the going gets tough I honestly don't feel or expect a certain player to stand up and win the game for us.

Our match winners have their work cut out making this side competitive carrying the squibs
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: RFC_Official on May 05, 2014, 10:33:59 AM
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 05, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
rather alarming given the average age of the side is 25 sitting 13th

rebuilding? topping up? whats the plan jane
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: 🏅Dooks on May 05, 2014, 02:22:45 PM
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

Thanks for the clarification. The figures I quoted are based on the overall playing lists.

It shows that Geelong have more young players in the system. Quite alot in fact given a number of older players reaching the eve of their careers.

Irrespective, as Judge Roughneck stated 25 as an average age is old for a team on 2 wins and 5 losses.

What is the list management plan from 2014 onwards and at which point to we go to plan b (if there is a plan b)?
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: TigerMonk on May 05, 2014, 02:32:41 PM
Good teams can sell good mature players for high draft picks. The bastards cheat!

Every club does, can tell you Richmond has done alot of under the rug stuff  ;D
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on May 05, 2014, 05:53:21 PM
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

Do you get paid for giving excuses for losing too?

Maybe you are just another pansy softy Richmond employee that can't harden up because he's too busy looking at the big screen.

Wake up! 
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: tony_montana on May 05, 2014, 05:56:36 PM
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Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: 🏅Dooks on May 05, 2014, 07:47:30 PM
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

Do you get paid for giving excuses for losing too?

Maybe you are just another pansy softy Richmond employee that can't harden up because he's too busy looking at the big screen.

Wake up!

That name calling is a bit harsh
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: TigerLand on May 05, 2014, 07:55:25 PM
How many players post 27 would get a contract at any other club? Not many. So why are they on our list?

- C.Newman 31/32 = No
- C.Knights 27/28 = No
- M.Thomas 27/28 = No
- T.Chaplin - 27/28 = Maybe
- A.Edwards 29/30 = No
- J.King 28/29 = No
- O.Stephen 31/32 = No
- N.Foley 29/30 = No

Add R.Petterd who is 26.

That is a lot of old dead weight that no other club would want on their list. That is really alarming. 9 spots on the list we could have 9 rookies and even if 1 or 2 of them work out then its a win. None of those guys should be in our best 22, Troy Chaplin maybe scraps in, but an in form Grimes and a fit Rance with Astbury should edge Chaplin out in my opinion. I'd just play Grimes. Would free up 400k a year too.

What sort of list management policy is this? Charity F.C?
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: the claw on May 05, 2014, 08:30:08 PM
How many players post 27 would get a contract at any other club? Not many. So why are they on our list?

- C.Newman 31/32 = No
- C.Knights 27/28 = No
- M.Thomas 27/28 = No
- T.Chaplin - 27/28 = Maybe
- A.Edwards 29/30 = No
- J.King 28/29 = No
- O.Stephen 31/32 = No
- N.Foley 29/30 = No

Add R.Petterd who is 26.

That is a lot of old dead weight that no other club would want on their list. That is really alarming. 9 spots on the list we could have 9 rookies and even if 1 or 2 of them work out then its a win. None of those guys should be in our best 22, Troy Chaplin maybe scraps in, but an in form Grimes and a fit Rance with Astbury should edge Chaplin out in my opinion. I'd just play Grimes. Would free up 400k a year too.

What sort of list management policy is this? Charity F.C?

hmm
id agree the quality of a lot of the players aged 24 25 plus leaves a lot to be desired not just 27 plus.
there is a need for some of those older experienced players in the short term. none of us want to be uncompetetive and staret copping 100 point thrashings.
the only players who have really been regualrs  for a substantial amount oif time  are newman and chaplin. we can do something about newman but imo we are stuck with chaplin even if want to drop him.

it worries me that people think kids kids and more kids is the only way to go. its not its a balance we must find. if every single one of those 9 you mention were of a decent quality the kids would have to wait and earn their spots and no one would bat an eyelid.

we must find the right balance and we must have the quality to compliment the balance. me im happy for us to continue to value add if you like on players we have with late nd and rookie picks but ffs we need to target quality if possible in the erly to mid rounds of the nd and with f/a.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Penelope on May 05, 2014, 08:38:58 PM
averages??
seriously?
in this case are meaningless.

what are the mode ages?

stats don't lie, but people use them incorrectly to to back up their lies.
average age of a football team is one of the most meaningless stats you can get because of the small sample base
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: torch on May 05, 2014, 11:12:10 PM
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

So that explains the 5.7 Geelong to 0.1 Richmond 20 minutes into the second quarter?

and explains Shaun Grigg, Steve Morris's mistakes that led to Geelong goals?

and explains our lack of run and space in our forward line?
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on May 06, 2014, 07:00:14 AM
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

So that explains the 5.7 Geelong to 0.1 Richmond 20 minutes into the second quarter?

and explains Shaun Grigg, Steve Morris's mistakes that led to Geelong goals?

and explains our lack of run and space in our forward line?
Don't torch the RFC_Official!
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: 🏅Dooks on May 06, 2014, 09:42:03 AM
Torch the players and football department.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: RFC_Official on May 06, 2014, 10:43:06 AM
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

Do you get paid for giving excuses for losing too?

Maybe you are just another pansy softy Richmond employee that can't harden up because he's too busy looking at the big screen.

Wake up!

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Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: cub on May 06, 2014, 10:50:59 AM
We dont need excuse, we are Richmond! Others stem and flow we just are just the annoying little brother that's a pain in the rs but that's about it.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: TigerLand on May 06, 2014, 10:58:33 AM
How many players post 27 would get a contract at any other club? Not many. So why are they on our list?

- C.Newman 31/32 = No
- C.Knights 27/28 = No
- M.Thomas 27/28 = No
- T.Chaplin - 27/28 = Maybe
- A.Edwards 29/30 = No
- J.King 28/29 = No
- O.Stephen 31/32 = No
- N.Foley 29/30 = No

Add R.Petterd who is 26.

That is a lot of old dead weight that no other club would want on their list. That is really alarming. 9 spots on the list we could have 9 rookies and even if 1 or 2 of them work out then its a win. None of those guys should be in our best 22, Troy Chaplin maybe scraps in, but an in form Grimes and a fit Rance with Astbury should edge Chaplin out in my opinion. I'd just play Grimes. Would free up 400k a year too.

What sort of list management policy is this? Charity F.C?

hmm
id agree the quality of a lot of the players aged 24 25 plus leaves a lot to be desired not just 27 plus.
there is a need for some of those older experienced players in the short term. none of us want to be uncompetetive and staret copping 100 point thrashings.
the only players who have really been regualrs  for a substantial amount oif time  are newman and chaplin. we can do something about newman but imo we are stuck with chaplin even if want to drop him.

it worries me that people think kids kids and more kids is the only way to go. its not its a balance we must find. if every single one of those 9 you mention were of a decent quality the kids would have to wait and earn their spots and no one would bat an eyelid.

we must find the right balance and we must have the quality to compliment the balance. me im happy for us to continue to value add if you like on players we have with late nd and rookie picks but ffs we need to target quality if possible in the erly to mid rounds of the nd and with f/a.

The age argument is all about which players will be apart of your success tilt. None of those players are going to be part of it, why have them around, so we can lose by 30 points in fear of losing by 100? Not a great mentality and not how you build a successful list.

Play the kids goes for any untried player, players like Astbury who with some experience has really started to develop. No point playing someone like Petterd etc.

Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on May 06, 2014, 11:00:37 AM
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

Do you get paid for giving excuses for losing too?

Maybe you are just another pansy softy Richmond employee that can't harden up because he's too busy looking at the big screen.

Wake up!

(http://x2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/indeed+_5f555e8666c8efbe3c3b8428318a76ce.jpg)
http://imgfave.com/view/4198888
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: unplugged on May 06, 2014, 01:56:18 PM
What?  We aren't a young developing list any more.  One less crutch.
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Mr Magic on May 06, 2014, 02:43:59 PM
Don't mind a bunch of old guys as our fringe players. Our core list still looks young and good.
It can all change pretty quickly if we land one or two elite young players...


Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Yeahright on May 07, 2014, 01:40:31 PM
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

Do you get paid for giving excuses for losing too?

Maybe you are just another pansy softy Richmond employee that can't harden up because he's too busy looking at the big screen.

Wake up!

Woah pretty sure he was just clarifying the stats in the original post? Sorry I forgot you don't read things properly
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on May 07, 2014, 01:50:23 PM
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

Do you get paid for giving excuses for losing too?

Maybe you are just another pansy softy Richmond employee that can't harden up because he's too busy looking at the big screen.

Wake up!

Woah pretty sure he was just clarifying the stats in the original post? Sorry I forgot you don't read things properly
Yeahright!
Title: Re: Average age of Richmonds players vs Geelongs players
Post by: Yeahright on May 09, 2014, 01:39:44 PM
Average age of Geelong yesterday: 26y 121d
Average age of Richmond yesterday: 24y 360d

Total games played of Geelong yesterday: 2472
Total games played of Richmond yesterday: 2023

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2014/091420140504.html

Do you get paid for giving excuses for losing too?

Maybe you are just another pansy softy Richmond employee that can't harden up because he's too busy looking at the big screen.

Wake up!

Woah pretty sure he was just clarifying the stats in the original post? Sorry I forgot you don't read things properly
Yeahright!
:-*