One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ox on June 02, 2004, 03:03:36 PM
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With all these accusations flying around,
with all the ex board members getting vocal
and with Leaping Leon becoming involved on a personal level
how long do u think it will take before a take-over bid occurs at board level.
It's humorous the way they all have something to say yet
play down,even blatantly deny any chance of involvement.
Surely this has all the markings of the emergance of an alternative
administration.
They'd be stupid to openly admit that this was the case as it would eliminate
any element of surprise that the attack would have but why else,really,
would so many have so much to say.
It cant get any worse.
One thing is for sure.
Frawley and his mates are gone at the end of the year.
Hopefully we'll still be around to enjoy the benefits.-$$$
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I hope so, matey lol
LMAO@"Fletcher "Ox" Christian"
LMAO@Me using LMAO lol
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just a bit bored......my meeting is here now.
Bye. ;D
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Newsflash on 10 news.
Well.it's here.
100 signatures on Sunday is all they need.
Who's signing ??
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Its being organized by Michael Pahoffm who posts under Phantom on PRE.
He has been getting it legal checked all day and has been examining the constitution of RFC.
He'll be getting signatures on Sunday at the game at the Punt rd end of the ground.
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Get the Phantom over here Boogie!
LMAOOOOOO@Boogies info.
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I will ask him to Ox and lm sure he will too.
The ghost who posts!
He is a mutineer is the phantom!
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Yep - the Phantom from PRE has organised it. He's been posting a few drafts of the petition all day and finally got legal advice and went to the media. People interested to sign can do so outside the punt road end side of the MCG.
The petition is a no confidence vote in the president and the board members - one that will spill all board positions and have the positions re-elected at an EGM.
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Funny Bugger Boogie - LMAO@Posting Ghost.
See what u can do.
Im sure we're as entitled to such privy information as the next Forum ;)
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Harry,
Im impressed with his fortitude.
Its one thing talking about it but a completely different thing to take action.
Well done Phantom.
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Ive just sent an e-mail asking him to come over to OER to post his reasons behind the EGM petition and whats required for the spill of all positions.
The phantom of the RFC soap Oparah is here..........
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There is only one problem with all this, How are we going to attract a decent coach with all this instabilty? Also ,in creates uncertainity with major sponsors, this is all very tricky.
I hope this guy getting this petition up and going has got half a brain and not just another deadhead from PRE ::)
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so let me get this right.............whats going to happen if the EGM is held on no one runs?
I think the timing is a bit off, Casey needs to be held accountable for the past few seasons but one would atleast have a decent ticket ready before giving a no confidence vote surely.
just seems a bit strange to me.
I feel all this has done is opened us up for more whippings from the love affair journos have with Richmond. No alternative ticket? but hoping this forces people to step forward? what a joke
what a joke this club has become, well done phantom.
the circus continues...........
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Irate members move to unseat Tigers' board
By Dan Oakes, David Reed
realfooty.theage.com.au
June 12, 2004
Turmoil has again reared its head at Richmond, with disgruntled members launching a push to unseat the board.
A spokesman for the group, Michael Pahoff, said last night that it would petition for an extraordinary general meeting to be called, at which a motion of no confidence would be put.
Pahoff said a petition containing 100 signatures would be presented at Richmond's game against Fremantle at the MCG tomorrow, which is standard business practice for the calling of such a meeting.
"(We will put forward) a motion of no confidence in current president Clinton Casey and the board of the Richmond Football Club because of continued financial losses, instability in the general administration and marketing department and continued poor performance of its football department," Pahoff told Channel Ten.
Richmond director of football Greg Miller, however, said last night that it would be foolish to call for a spill of board positions at this stage of the season. "My major concern is for the whole football club but the football team (in particular), and the last thing you want is any further disruptions, and an EGM, I don't know what you'd gain from that in the middle of the season," Miller said.
The Tigers sit 13th on the ladder with only four wins. Coach Danny Frawley is widely expected to lose his job at the end of the season, chief executive Ian Campbell was sacked two weeks ago and the Transport Accident Commission is considering dropping its sponsorship.
http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/11/1086749893703.html
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This fellow was on 3AW last night - saying the same tihngs.
When asked by Rex if he was on a ticket looking to take over the group , he said NO but he knows there are people out there that are "interested"
Excuse me?
Look I am as frustrated and disillisuioned as the next person but this is a joke IMO.
This is a typical example of what I refer to as "petition syndrome". The best way for me to describe it is like this.
A few months ago I was bailed up at my local shopping centre - a group of people were collecting signatures to send to the government because they are not happy with the amount of traffic that goes down a particular raod near there houses.
When I was asked "what alternative are you putting forward?" Athe reply was "that's not our problem that's for the government to fix, we just want them to change it". I told them I wouldn't sign their petition unless they could give me a fair and reasonable alternative.
The same goes for the this petition tomorrow - you can't not petition something like this unless there is a viable alternative. to say "I am not involved but I am know there are people who are interested" is a joke. The people collecting the signatures should be those about to mount a challenge not some group who hope someone is going to do it.
It is very easy to collect signatures (even the blokes on 3AW said so) but they mean absolutely nothing if there is credible and responsible alternative
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I see your ponit there WP and agree however @least this guy
has continued o put a rocket uo ceratin back sides.
It may all blow over in a week,who knows.
LMAOOO@Not having any particular agenda and waiting 4 people "out there"
to join in.
LMAO@Typical Richmond planning
Out of the pan into the fire.
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I agree WP. Not questioning this guy's passion for the Tiges but it sounds like he woke up yesterday and in an act of frustration (which mind you we all can understand) said I'm going to start a petition. WP's analogy said it perfectly. IMO he's put the cart before the horse and just makes everyone think same old same old down at Tigerland - a disorganised rabble on and off the field. We need clear thinkers leading our Club. There has been enough people over the last 20 years at Richmond who have made decisions on a whim and hence lead to poor rushed and short-sighted decisions. We need a united group to firstly come out and present and outline their alternative plans for the Club to members and supporters. Then they'll be in the best position to make changes with the full understanding and support of us members. I won't be signing or voting for anyone until I see an organizsed alternative group with a detailed explanation of what they plan to do for the Club.
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well said WP,
its typical really, lets get together a last minute ticket to challenge the board.
I can see long sustained success out of this weak effort. ::)
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Tiger chiefs slam talk of Punt Rd petition
13 June 2004
Sunday Herald Sun
Scot Palmer
RICHMOND officials are hoping there is no support at the MCG today for a petition calling for a mid-season extraordinary meeting at Punt Rd.
On the eve of the club's crucial game against Fremantle, Tiger chiefs stressed that a no-confidence motion would be "totally disruptive" to the team and upset plans already in place for major changes within the club.
Football director Greg Miller said: "This is not the right process . . . if they want to get through this type of process, the end of the season is the right time, not now."
The call by member Michael Pahoff for a petition with 100 signatures that would necessitate an emergency meeting within 21 days would cost between $40,000 and $50,000, according to Richmond officials. This would add to the club's already precarious financial position.
President Clinton Casey, a target for the petition along with his board, disclosed yesterday the appointment of a new CEO would be a week away, the review of the future coaching requirements was also under way and the club was negotiating with its major sponsors over other issues.
Casey said Richmond had proposed a joint campaign between major sponsors Motorola and the TAC over the problem of motorists using mobile phones while driving.
This comes in the wake of player Ty Zantuck being caught by police using his mobile while driving.
Casey said while things might not seem to be happening at the club, major advances were being made.
"When we get them into place who is going to pull them all together?" he said.
Miller said he did not know the background of Pahoff, his plans or how he was going to achieve them.
He said under these circumstances he did not believe Richmond supporters would be party to any petition.
Miller said he did not know whether any other people might be behind the move to force the meeting, but did not believe the timing was right for any such action.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,9826919%255E19771,00.html
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I know people will laugh at the figure that is quoted regarding the cost involved in this process but I can say that $40-50,000 is about right.
People have to remember that any form of election has to be run by independant people (in this case the Club's auditors) and it this comes at a cost. I question wheter this is money that we can afford to spend.
Do I think they will get their 100 signatures? Unfortunately yes and at what cost to our Club? Far too much IMHO >:(
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Did the guy get the 100 signatures? I read on BF that he had 60 to half time. Unfortunately the anger towards today's loss will get him to and over 100.
Just curious why it's only 100 members required? Is that an original rule in the RFC constitution which was introduced when membership numbers were nowhere near the levels they are today? 100 out of 27,000 is approximately 0.4%. Geez glad a tiny minority can have such a large say in OUR Club's future. Isn't that how we got into this mess in the first place! ::).
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Rebels blameless: Frawley
By Peter Ker
realfooty.theage.com.au
June 14, 2004
Richmond coach Danny Frawley refused to blame the club's off-field dramas yesterday for his side's latest poor performance, as the Tigers succumbed to a sloppy Fremantle by 10 points at the MCG.
As a group of rebel supporters gathered signatures outside the MCG for a petition seeking to overthrow the Richmond board, the Tigers suffered their third consecutive fade-out, allowing the Dockers back into a match that looked beyond them when they trailed by 38 points in the second quarter.
After the match, Frawley tried to put a positive spin on the loss, and tried to ignore the continuing off-field troubles.
"For two-and-a-half quarters it was the best footy we've played for probably six weeks, I would've thought," he said. "They got a big tick for two-and-a-half quarters, but today we were unable to seal the deal."
Frawley rejected suggestions that his side lacked fitness, despite managing only three goals after half-time.
Last week Richmond led the Kangaroos at half-time before losing by 74 points, and was level with West Coast at half-time in round 10 before losing by 37 points at Subiaco.
"A lot of it is about belief and I thought just before half-time . . . those two goals that Fremantle kicked just before half-time may just have given them a smidgin of belief and probably just sowed a couple of seeds of doubt into our boys," he said.
Frawley said his players would not let the continuing board dramas and supporter petitions affect their football.
"There's been a thousand distractions. That doesn't worry us, that's out of our control, out of my control and out of the players' control so we'll just try to focus on Carlton and getting the boys up for what's going to be a big game for both clubs," he said.
The rebel group of supporters, led by disgruntled member Michael Pahoff, collected just over 60 members' signatures at yesterday's match, still well short of the 100 they need to force an extraordinary general meeting and a motion of no-confidence in president Clinton Casey and his board.
Pahoff said he was not disenchanted by failing to reach the 100-signature mark yesterday.
"I didn't have any expectations," he said. "We are on our way... we keep on going until July 26, that will be the last day we try."
The group's attempts to gain signatures was not helped by the disappointing crowd of 18,666.
Pahoff said his group hoped to have the meeting held in August and a new board elected in September.
Earlier, Casey said an election could cost the club as much as $60,000. "At this point in time we can't afford to be throwing away $60,000," he said. "People have the right to do what they want to do and they will go about their business, but I just wish they would channel that.
"Our message to any of the critics or to anyone who genuinely wants to help is nominate for a position, stand up and volunteer your time, bring us a sponsor, brings us 1000 members, do something to advance this football club."
Pahoff said in the context of such massive financial losses, an extra $60,000 to fix the club was worthwhile.
Meanwhile Casey said the club was close to finding a chief executive, with an appointment from the remaining three candidates expected later this week.
He told Radio 3AW that he was also hopeful a new contract with the TAC would be presented at a board meeting next week and that a panel reviewing the coaching position would put a recommendation to the board later this year.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/13/1087065031334.html
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Pahoff said he was not disenchanted by failing to reach the 100-signature mark yesterday.
"I didn't have any expectations," he said.
For crying out loud they didn't have any expectations. Geez this petition idea was well thought through ::). Let's sack everyone and cost the club a further 50 grand then leave it to "others out there" to do the rest!
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Casey swipe at petition
14 June 2004 Herald Sun
Mark Stevens
REBEL Richmond member Michael Pahoff yesterday made significant ground in his bid to overturn what he calls the club's "dictatorship".
Pahoff gathered about 60 signatures on an official petition at the MCG as the man in his sights – president Clinton Casey – returned fire.
With a goal of having the minimum requirement of 100 signatures before July 25 now within reach, Pahoff is on track to call an emergency general meeting for August 17.
The 44-year-old IT manager plans to pass a vote of no confidence in the current board, elect provisional board members and open nominations for a new off-field team.
Under Pahoff's timetable, election day for the new board would be September 15.
Despite being confronted by several fans wanting any upheaval delayed until after the season, Pahoff said his plans were met with widespread support.
"The general feeling I got was that everybody would be more than happy to see Clinton Casey go very, very quickly," Pahoff said.
"I had board members and coterie members come up and were very supportive in their message."
But Casey said the $60,000 the process would cost is an irresponsible waste of money given the club's current plight.
Casey went as far saying Pahoff and his supporters may be forced to put up the cash themselves.
"I'll look at the constitution. They might have to pay for the EGM so I hope they've got 60 grand as well. I think his timing is well off and we'll deal with that during the week. There is a time and place for an election . . . and it's not the right time at the moment to be upsetting the team, the coach, the balance of the club.
"I wish they would channel (their dissatisfaction) into helping the club.
"In tough times people often show their true colours – some people will stand back and just criticise, some people will do nothing and hope someone else gets the job done.
"This is not a time for criticism nor a time to self-destruct. Our message to all the critics and those that genuinely want to help is nominate for a position, stand up and donate some of your time – bring us a sponsor, bring us 1000 members, do something to help this club."
Pahoff, in the stands for the Tigers' past four premierships, handed out flyers denying "big-noting" himself.
"The history of Richmond Football Club over the last few years is about one ticket trying to force another ticket out of office – it has led to disunity within the club which has reflected itself on the field," Pahoff said.
THE Tigers' hunt for a chief executive to replace the recently departed Ian Campbell is down to three. An announcement is likely this week.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,9835732%255E19742,00.html
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I went and said hello to Michael today and I'm still not really sure what he's on about.
But i do congratulate him for being so passionate about his club to care this much and put himself on the line like this.
I'm not supportive of him in any way at this moment in time tho. But screw Casey for not appreciating the reason ppl like Michael have to go to such lengths - because they're damned worried about the future of this club.
Hope it doesn't come all crashing down around him and he creates a bigger monster for the club. And I hope he's not out of pocket for doing something on all our behalves -whether we agree with him or not.
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Casey and co. must be kicked out before the coaching decision is made. This decision must be made by the board that will take us into the future......and only them. Michael has done the right thing by shaking the tree. This will cause a domino effect and the alternate ticket and others interested will put their hand up. The new board must be elected before September when the coach, coaching panel, recruiting manager and others are to be selected. The sooner the ball gets rolling the better. I advise people to sign the petition because the sooner this is organised the better. We can't let a repeat of the Carlton situation occur - where Elliot signed Pagan on a ridiculous contract.
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15 June 2004
Herald Sun
Damian Barrett
THE many people working to overthrow Richmond's board have accelerated their plans after the collection of disgruntled members' signatures at the weekend.
Tigers member Michael Pahoff acted independently in launching his no-confidence petition, but behind-the-scenes powerbrokers intend to benefit from it.
It is understood at least two groups are formulating plans to remove Clinton Casey as president. Board members Rob Turner and Gary March have been mooted as potential rivals, while former director Charles Macek is also moving to declare takeover interests.
March denied he would be seeking to head the board.
"I will be living in Europe for three months and so I have no chance of even contemplating it," said March, whose business commitments with Concept Sports take in the merchandise rights to the Athens Olympics and Euro 2004.
March has close contacts with former Richmond president Leon Daphne.
Daphne is not seeking reinstatement as a club director, but is willing to advise outsiders and Casey on what action needs to be taken to help the financially stricken club.
Daphne would not comment when contacted late last week.
Pahoff said he was not acting for others when he collected 60 of the 100 members' signatures required to schedule an extraordinary general meeting.
"But it is pretty obvious at this stage that other things are going on with another group," he said last night.
Pahoff said he would collect the remaining signatures at Telstra Dome before the match against Carlton on Saturday.
Ex-Tigers director Brendan Schwab is working behind the scenes with many of his contacts, but it is understood he does not covet the presidency.
He is believed to be in negotiation with Macek and may be in a position to outline to members his plans for the club as soon as next month.
Richmond may lose up to $2.5 million this season, following a loss of $882,000 in 2003.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,9846366%255E19771,00.html
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Pahoff said he was not disenchanted by failing to reach the 100-signature mark yesterday.
"I didn't have any expectations," he said.
For crying out loud they didn't have any expectations. Geez this petition idea was well thought through ::). Let's sack everyone and cost the club a further 50 grand then leave it to "others out there" to do the rest!
Good on the guy for getting out there and doing something, but as you say MT, think about it a bit more thoroughly, otherwise what good can it possibly do? Well and good if there’s a ticket out there ready to go, but what if there isn’t? Even if there is, there’s a time and a place for these things to happen.
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Tiger rebel to push on
By Jake Niall
realfooty.theage.com.au
June 16, 2004
Rebel Richmond member Michael Pahoff has vowed to press ahead with plans to oust the current Clinton Casey-led board by September, regardless of what happens at a planned meeting with the Tigers' president this afternoon.
Pahoff, who has circulated a petition seeking a spill of the board and the resignation of Casey, has been summoned to a meeting with Casey at 5.30pm.
Pahoff said he was prepared for the prospect that Casey would seek to delay the petition and the calling of an extraordinary general meeting for members, but said he would not be deterred.
"I would not be happy with that request for me to defer the petition," he said.
Pahoff said it was important the board was spilled and a new board elected before the end of the season, so that important administrative and football decisions could be made properly by the new regime. He said should the status quo remain until December or January - when Richmond holds its annual meeting - there was no prospect for change until 2006. "The new board won't be able to change anything until 2006."
Pahoff said his cause had been backed by David Clayton, who nominated to stand as a board candidate last year, and former long-serving board member Michael Michaelson.
"They want to see change and they believe there has to be change by the end of September," he said.
Pahoff said he had spoken to current board members and coterie members and had a clearer understanding of "what's going on inside the Richmond Football Club".
He said he had collected about 60 signatures for his petition at the Tigers game against Fremantle last Sunday and he would collect more before the match against Carlton at Telstra Dome on Saturday night. He needs at least 100 signatures to force an extraordinary general meeting under the Richmond constitution.
He said he was circulating the petition in order to test the level of opinion against Casey and his board. It was a case of "putting my foot in to see how warm the water is", he said. "The water is, in fact, very hot."
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/15/1087244920270.html?oneclick=true
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I saw Claude Ullin (former board member) lurking around the Social Club after the game - haven't seen him for ages. Must be the smell of a fresh stoush getting them all rallying.
I think David Clayton should grab that clipboard off Michael and do it himself if he supports him. Michael doesn't seem to have a clue what he wants - asking for help off PRE members of what he should say to Casey when they meet up. I thought he was setting the agenda.
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He said he was circulating the petition in order to test the level of opinion against Casey and his board. It was a case of "putting my foot in to see how warm the water is", he said. "The water is, in fact, very hot."
Well that seems like a well thought out plan - "to test the level of opinion". >:(
$50,000 to TEST - very expensive test it would seem
I don't think a petition was needed for the purprose of testing.
And while this is all going on - what are prospective coaches and players thinking about the RFC ???
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Point I make, what is $50,000 in the context of things. ?
The club will loose more than $2million this year.
The average Richmond player eg Fiora would be on $180,000 - $220,000 etc
So what is $50,000 if it saves the club from ruins ??
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So what is $50,000 if it saves the club from ruins ??
If there was something concrete about the whole thing then you could live with the $50,000, but from what has been said, it just seems like a “let’s hope it all works out” approach has been adopted. I think that’s what people have an issue with, more than anything else.
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Well said Jackstar. The club is set to lose 2.5M so what's another 50K? ....Gaspars weekly wage, (if it really does cost that much which I have my doubts).
Michael is doing the right thing. All he is doing is giving frustrated tiger supporters a chance to have their say. He is getting the ball rolling and giving the "alternates" the platform to come out and get started. Not only to the alternate ticket but anyone else that wants to put their hand up and felt intimidated by the current board and the alternate ticket. It's not important whether he has organised a ticket or not, they are being formed without his involvement. This will gain momentum and flush everyone to the surface where us members can elect the best people. It must be started now, because by waiting till the end of the season will only allow the current board to remain in power till early 2005 and possibly 2006, where vital footballing decisions would have been made by then.
Well done Michael for having the balls to stand up and initiate change. Too many people whinge and whine and don't want to do anything about it.
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Well said Jackstar. The club is set to lose 2.5M so what's another 50K? ....Gaspars weekly wage, (if it really does cost that much which I have my doubts).
Believe me HarryH if a viable and resposible alternative had come forward and clearly given a solid plan for the future and intiated the petition I would have happily signed it.
But that isn't what happened. Michael came out on Friday night on 3AW and when asked if he was prepared to stand for the board himself he said "NO but I know there are people that are interested". That isn't being organised that's hoping that someone is going to come forward. Now we are told there are people behind the scenes that are "planning to do something" but what?
TS said "If there was something concrete about the whole thing then you could live with the $50,000" and I know would but no-one has given us anything concrete.
Regarding the cost of running these things - I have a friend who works for one of the big 6 accounting firms and the $ 50,000 cost being bandied about is right on the money.
And what's another $50,000? A lot when you don't have it to spend ;)
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I understand what your'e saying Willy Wonker.
But my way of thinking is that the petition is reflecting just what most members are feeling - that they have no confidence in the board. Its just bringing it out in the open and getting the ball rolling. There is definately people ready to put their hand up - no doubt about it.
I beleive this needs to take place asap - because it takes time to assemble a board. We can't wait till the last minute and then have to quickly elect the members of the board like we did last year. This initiative is basically saying to anyone that is interested that us members want change and we are giving you all a chance and enough opportunity to get in there and become a candidate. I would prefer it be done this way than have a ticket (the members of which will also be handpicked) to come in and take over, taking it out of the hands of the members yet again.
A process like this takes time and I beleive now is the perfect time to get it started. The new board must be settled and in place before the coach, coaching staff, recruiting staff, the CEO and all other vital positions are filled.
As I said, its not important whether Michael has set up a team or not. This will take care of itself.
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asking for help off PRE members of what he should say to Casey when they meet up.
LOL we are doomed as a club
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That’s a fair argument HH. And you’ve nearly got me convinced. I don’t like the idea of a ticket coming in with us not getting a say either. Especially when you consider that past Board members may be involved in putting these things together, even if it’s only in the background.
Having independent people nominating would sit more comfortably. The one thing I have an issue with though is that if there haven’t been people willing to put their hand up in the past, why does it now suddenly bring them all out?
If people are going to nominate then they need to be people who know what they are doing, are capable of being effective in their role, understand what is involved and are in it for RFC and not their own interests. Otherwise we’re just going back to where we started.
And whichever way we go and whatever happens, there is no certainty of success, unless we have a plan to go forward and everyone gets behind the Club.
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That’s a fair argument HH. And you’ve nearly got me convinced. I don’t like the idea of a ticket coming in with us not getting a say either. Especially when you consider that past Board members may be involved in putting these things together, even if it’s only in the background.
Having independent people nominating would sit more comfortably.
That's the angle I'm also coming from.
I beleive that by the members saying - "we've got no confidence and we want change asap", it will assist in bringing well credentialled people out who otherwise would have been a bit hesitant because they were unsure how members felt about the current board and whether they were prepared for immediate change. Also these same people would be denied a chance if the handpicked ticket was formed behind the scenes and suddenly took over.
There are definately well credentialled people out there who would do a better job than the current and former board members......there has to be. And as you say, the past board members, who have had their chance, would be a part of the new ticket.
We need more independant individuals, who can add independant ideas and values to be independantly elected on the board. People who are independant to the President. I'm not too comfortable with a ticket being formed behind the scenes and suddenly take over. These ticket members would in some way be handpicked and would reflect the current board of "yes men" to an extent.
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I agree with your thinking HH. We just need to hope that these well credentialled people show themselves, if we get to that stage.
From what I've heard, the supporter running the petition is meeting with Casey today. Will be interesting to see what happens from that.
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Last year i posted about suing the club on one of the other message boards to which there was
one particular reply i remember.
It was someone who was dead serious about the question i had just raised....suing the RFC for breach of contract.
I cant remember if it was Harry or this Phantom bloke that was more than keen on the idea,they even asked
if we had any lawyers(vomits) in the house.
If it did have anything to do with it and if it was the Phantom he's had long enough to come up with a better
presenatation than he has.
LMAOOOOO@Saying "I wont be around"
LMAOOOOOO@asking rosy and pre 4 advice-LMAOOOO@The doom factor there.
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Last year i posted about suing the club on one of the other message boards to which there was
one particular reply i remember.
It was someone who was dead serious about the question i had just raised....suing the RFC for breach of contract.
I cant remember if it was Harry or this Phantom bloke that was more than keen on the idea,they even asked
if we had any lawyers(vomits) in the house.
If it did have anything to do with it and if it was the Phantom he's had long enough to come up with a better
presenatation than he has.
LMAOOOOO@Saying "I wont be around"
LMAOOOOOO@asking rosy and pre 4 advice-LMAOOOO@The doom factor there.
Wasn't me - Don't recall that post.
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Casey to meet rebel member
16 June 2004 Herald Sun
Damian Barrett
RICHMOND president Clinton Casey will today meet with the club member calling for his removal in a bid to arrest the side's mounting off-field problems.
Casey yesterday arranged the meeting with Michael Pahoff, who is seeking an extraordinary general meeting via the signatures of 100 disgruntled club members.
Pahoff said last night he would approach the meeting with an open mind.
"As I did last Sunday in collecting signatures, I have no expectations," he said. "I will listen to what he has to say, but at this stage, it is full speed ahead.
"I don't expect the meeting to change my outlook. My No. 1 priority remains getting the extraordinary general meeting.
"It is still a case of wanting to see the president resign."
Richmond's season has been marred by the Pahoff move, behind-scenes manoeuvring by club powerbrokers, growing debt, poor on-field performances and doubts on the continuation of a long-standing relationship with the Transport Accident Commission.
The TAC deal, worth more than $600,000 a year, might be resolved today, with the State Government body meeting to determine its commitment to the Tigers.
Pahoff said many disgruntled Richmond members, including former board members, had contacted him yesterday, seeking information on his pursuits.
"Let me tell you, it is all happening, there are a lot of people who are very serious about this (taking on the board)," he said.
"I may be acting independently with this petition, but there are a lot of people who are supportive of what I am doing."
Pahoff secured 60 signatures last weekend and intends gaining the missing 40 before the Tigers' match against Carlton at Telstra Dome on Saturday.
Casey could not be contacted yesterday.
Former Tigers director Charles Macek remains active in positioning himself as a contender to Casey as president.
It is understood he is working with ex-board member Brendan Schwab.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,9858911%255E19771,00.html
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Does anyone have a list of who our previous board members over the last 10-20 years were and in what years they served?
It's concerning to me that most likely the current board will just be replaced by mainly former and ousted board members. Sounds like to me they will use Michael's ill-guided petition to push their own bandwagon. I have no faith in these people fixing up our football department when they never had the slightest idea what needed to be done when they had the opportunity previously to do so. In thev media they try to portray themselves as messiahs when they themselves carry the baggage of past stuff ups.
It's not just a case of hoping someone will put their hand up. We need the right qualified people putting their hands up. As WP said we need a viable and responsible alternative to come forward with a clear and solid plan for the future. Not opportunists seeking revenge or pushing their own agenda. That is why this petition, although done with good intentions, relying on "others out there" to come forward is highly risky and poorly and hastily thought through.
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Spot on MT.
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But Mighty, what do we do if at the end of the day the alternate ticket that we are all patiently waiting for ends up being made up of mostly ex-board members. There is no secret that a ticket is being formed and you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be made up of disgruntled former board members. Wouldn't it be a better alternative to spill all board positions asap and invite candidates to apply, thus allowing the members enough time to analyse each application and make the decision on who they want.
If no-one credible applies, which I doubt would happen, then we have no alternative than to re-elect those who have failed us in the past. Not much different to leaving it as is really.
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But Mighty, what do we do if at the end of the day the alternate ticket that we are all patiently waiting for ends up being made up of mostly ex-board members. There is no secret that a ticket is being formed and you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be made up of disgruntled former board members. Wouldn't it be a better alternative to spill all board positions asap and invite candidates to apply, thus allowing the members enough time to analyse each application and make the decision on who they want.
If no-one credible applies, which I doubt would happen, then we have no alternative than to re-elect those who have failed us in the past. Not much different to leaving it as is really.
But why fly blind Harry on the back of this petition?
Forcing a spill of the current regime and subsequently a $50,000 election before any alternative candidates have publicly put their hand up is just plain ridiculous IMO. It's putting the cart before the horse and it just shows what a rabble of a Club we are and makes us a further laughing stock. No other electoral system works that way.
I agree Harry I too have no doubt that a ticket is being formed behind the scenes and no doubt it will consist of disgruntled ex-board members - Macek, Schwab, etc. That's what worries me. At the moment we have alot of huffing and puffing about what's bleedingly obviously wrong with the Club and the need for change but no one or group has stepped forward publicly saying they will do something about it and challenge. If they believe the board must go as soon as possible as Michael does where are they? Why do they need to wait in the background and wait for this petition to spill all board positions before going public. Why don't they come forward, detail their future plans for the RFC and then organize a petition? That still gives plenty of time for us members to analyse. What's there to hide? Their past incompetence in regards to our football department? Do they hope to ride into power on the back of a Casey backlash without any scrutiny and set their own agenda after the election? Isn't that how RFC has operated the past 20 or so years. We want change so urgently that nobody askes what the alternative plan is. Many questions but as usual we as members are kept in the dark as to the answers.
If we do end up with ex-board members then cry as we will continue to see more dud coaches, more dud recruting and more overrated and overpaid players on long-term contracts. The whole Club needs a compete overhaul from top to bottom not a rehash job from those who couldn't deliver previously.
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I hear you mighty mouse.
I seriously beleive Michaels intentions are to flush everyting to the surface. He has been contacted and given advice by people that oppose the current administration (possibly interested in making a challenge) and he has today spoken to Casey and others within the club. Assuming he gets his 100 signatures, he will not call an EGM unless he has assurance that there are enough credible people to make a challenge and that it is in the best interests of the club. He will not call an EGM just for the sake of it and he's not interested in his 5 minutes of fame. One of his concern is that if people are going to challenge, they better hurry up because things need to get in order before vital positions are filled.
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I'd just like to thank our European correspondent Harry Hedgehogg
for keeping us up to date with the goings on in the tiny village of Lupo,south Italy
and bringing us all the latest breaking news on the petition man.
LMAOO@Harry Tikanis being our direct link with the petition man.
LMAOOOO@How Michael looks like a huge stoner. :D
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He has been contacted and given advice by people that oppose the current administration (possibly interested in making a challenge) and he has today spoken to Casey and others within the club.
Assuming he gets his 100 signatures, he will not call an EGM unless he has assurance that there are enough credible people to make a challenge and that it is in the best interests of the club.
I'm not questioning Michael's good intentions Harry but who gives him or any person or small group for that matter the right to judge who is and isn't a credible candidate and to judge what's in the best interests of the club ???. That's why this petition is flawed. If the candidates made the running first then decided on the petition route then you wouldn't have this dilemma. All 27,000 members would decide what is in the best interests of the club.
Whatever happens that 100 signatures condition must be changed. It is a farce that such a small number of members (0.4%) can force the Club to have a EGM at a cost of $50,000. IMO the constitution needs to be changed so it's set to around 10% of the total membership at least.
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Michael was interviewed by Channel 10 after the meeting he had with Casey. Greg Miller was also present. The media gave the impression before the interview that he will back down but he actually said he would go home to sleep on it. Casey was also interviewed and said he (Michael) will go home tonight with a much better understanding of the Club than when he arrived for the meeting.
Michael was also just on SEN. He was ask if he had anything to do with a Brendan Schwab push to topple the board. After umming and ahing he then replied no. He was then asked if he had anything to do with Brendan Schwab. He answered by saying Schwab had nothing to do with the petition. Was also asked if he would take up a position on the board with Casey as he was a passionate tiger member. He basically said there would be better people available.
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From article: Tigers in talks over CEO
By Caroline Wilson, Peter Ker
realfooty.theage.com.au
June 17, 2004
Rebel Richmond member Michael Pahoff emerged from a meeting with Casey last night seemingly less forthright about his push to spill the board at an extraordinary general meeting.
Pahoff, who has gathered more than half of the 100 member signatures he needs to force a meeting, went into yesterday's meeting at Punt Road Oval vowing that nothing could persuade him to abandon the petition.
But at the end of last night's meeting with Casey and Richmond football director Greg Miller, Pahoff said he would go home and consider his position.
"We've had quite a lengthy and interesting conversation, I've asked a number of questions, I've had an enormous amount of information, I do need time to take that information home, to go through it and to decipher it and to make an assessment on it," he said.
The meeting lasted about 45 minutes, and Pahoff described the mood as "amicable".
Pahoff was followed out of Punt Road minutes later by Casey, who described the meeting as "fruitful".
"He now understands it better than he did before he arrived," Casey said.
"Often the supporters don't get an opportunity to fully understand some of the issues we're facing and once they do get it explained to them, often they can have a very different view."
While neither party appeared to know whether Pahoff would push ahead with the petition, Casey said he expected to hear back from the disgruntled member in coming days.
"We've been able to talk through some of those issues, he is going to go away, have a bit of a think about it and hopefully we can resolve it without any issues," he said. "He is obviously a very passionate Richmond supporter and we sent him away with a few things to have a think about and we'll have a chat in the next couple of days."
Pahoff began collecting signatures outside the MCG before Sunday's match against Fremantle, and finished the day with about 60 signatures.
Earlier this week he said he hoped a new president and board could be elected before important tasks, such as the review of the playing list, were carried out post-season.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/16/1087244977107.html
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Tiger boss fears rebel challenge will harm club
18 June 2004
Herald Sun
Mark Stevens
RICHMOND president Clinton Casey last night warned any boardroom upheaval would harm recruiting as rebel member Michael Pahoff declared he would not back down.
Pahoff has confidently declared his petition is the "loaded gun" that will dispose of Casey, but the Tigers' boss has declared he is in the role for the long haul for the good of the club.
Pahoff, who met Casey and Tigers' football director Greg Miller on Wednesday night, said an alternative ticket was preparing to swoop once a vote of no confidence in the board was passed.
"I continue to talk to many people behind the scenes. I am told to continue the petition and collect the required signatures. I will," Pahoff said.
"The alternative ticket is preparing itself. It knows that it must be ready in August-September. They have said that the petition is the loaded gun that they will use on Casey."
With about 60 signatures of members already collected, Pahoff will be at the end of the Bourke St footbridge at Telstra Dome on Saturday night in a bid to get the 100 signatures needed to force an emergency general meeting.
But Casey said Pahoff's actions could only prove destructive for Richmond.
"We don't think the course of action being proposed is best for the football club," Casey said.
"We know that this fellow and his father have a history of this type of behaviour. We think it's highly inappropriate. He's no doubt going to disrupt the season for the entire club – coaches and players included."
Casey said he was in the job for the long-term in the best interests of the club.
"I don't think these actions are in line with those best interests so they'll be met with stout opposition," Casey said.
"If he's got better candidates than the current board then where appropriate we would stand aside in the best interests of the footy club.
"But they have to be credible candidates that can bring some substance to the footy club to help it rebuild for the future."
Pahoff said he had made a pact with gathering forces not to mention names of those ready to challenge. But he did confirm he now had more support to ensure he gets enough signatures.
"There are other parties who are actively working to get the petition signed."
Pahoff said there was no chance of him being swayed to delay action until after the season.
"The more information I learn, the more I realise that if this waits until December-January there may not be a club around," Pahoff said.
Pahoff called for commonsense at Telstra Dome on Saturday night given the potential of his stance to split the fans.
"I hope everyone will be well behaved on Saturday evening. I wouldn't want anybody getting hurt," Pahoff said. "Sometimes a very small percentage of people can be badly behaved. Even though people may take sides one way or another, we need to behave ourselves."
Pahoff said he would not be part of any new board if he achieved his goal.
"I don't think I've got the strength. It has been an exhausting week. I'm starting to feel it now," he said.
"I would like to help the club and contribute, but I feel there are more able and worthy people out there than myself."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,9876571%255E19742,00.html
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"The alternative ticket is preparing itself. It knows that it must be ready in August-September. They have said that the petition is the loaded gun that they will use on Casey."
Pahoff said he had made a pact with gathering forces not to mention names of those ready to challenge. But he did confirm he now had more support to ensure he gets enough signatures.
How professional >:(. Making pacts with people who continue to hide and who are planning a "ticket" - so our choices look like to be one group or another - not multiple choices.
A loaded gun? Give me a break - is the alternative "ticket who remain nameless and faceless" seriously looking to better the Club or do they just have a vendetta against Casey. For example, if I was to nominate - I guarantee you the alternative ticket would be contacting me saying don't do it.
Pahoff called for commonsense at Telstra Dome on Saturday night given the potential of his stance to split the fans.
"I hope everyone will be well behaved on Saturday evening. I wouldn't want anybody getting hurt," Pahoff said. "Sometimes a very small percentage of people can be badly behaved. Even though people may take sides one way or another, we need to behave ourselves."
Commonsense (to borrow a frequesnt phrase from my mate the Ox) LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
And the best one "I don't want anyone to getting hurt" - guess what Mr Pahoff - we are all being hurt in one way other. The media is having a field day, we have a group that wont show themselves but I am supposed to have confidence - I am already hurt and very angry
Pahoff said he would not be part of any new board if he achieved his goal.
"I don't think I've got the strength. It has been an exhausting week. I'm starting to feel it now," he said.
"I would like to help the club and contribute, but I feel there are more able and worthy people out there than myself."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,9876571%255E19742,00.html
::) :P :o ::) ::) ::) ::) - what the.......................
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Why doesnt this Mr Pahoff go back to where he belongs!
When he attended the meeting with Casey and Miller he was asked to keep things confidential and refused and then now he's asking for confidence, that he has a nameless faceless 2nd ticket!
We all know change takes time and any moron obviously Mr Pahoff is less than that can see that things are changing in both admin and the football dept!
Stop destroying our club!
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He is a total fool who belongs at PRE, lol
I laugh at the comment that Miller and Casey ask what website he represents ?
PRE, why bother !
Richmond is the laughing stock of the AFL because of nuff nuffs like him
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Pahoff was interviewed by KB on SEN this morning. (KB then took calls and of the 5 or 6 that I heard, none supported Pahoff in any way and most thought he was just a trouble maker).
For any of those members who signed because Pahoff was independent of any ticket, well that no longer seems to be the case, because he now seems to be the front man for a ticket that is made up of known Richmond identities. Some of whom have previously held positions with the Club. No details were given.
Great, we’re now collecting some of the minds that got us into this mess in the first place and may soon have them lead us out of it now. :-\ We should wait and see before making up our minds, but I don’t like the under handed way this appears to be taking place.
Pahoff said that the reason he started this petition was, in part, because of the clouded way the previous election was conducted.
Well, what do you call this? Open and above board? ::) The platform he stood on last week is different to the one he is standing on now. Seeing as Pahoff can change his mind, can those members who signed last week also change their minds? (By the way, I haven’t signed and have no intention of signing).
He is giving himself until 25 July 2004 to get the signatures. If members are so disgruntled, how can it take a month to get 100 signatures? If he knew what he was doing, it would take no more than a few hours, you would think. Either I’m reading too much into things, or something doesn’t make sense here. :-\
Putting my suspicious hat on, is he just trying to buy time, cause a distraction, what? How long can it take to get 100 signatures when we have over 27,000 members?
Who needs soap operas and dramas when we have RFC.
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Pahoff the nuff nuff
i like it.
doesnt want to be seen as a trouble maker? we he is one IMO !!! >:( he should take his petition and stick it where the sun doesnt shine. He is lucky I'm in perth because if I had the opportunity to see him at the dome this weekend i would throw copious amounts of rotten fruit into his direction, thats fruitful for you !!!
sorry harry, I dont agree with you regarding this vote of no confidence, its not the way it should be done, its sneaky, its underhanded and its plainly obvious the guy doesnt know what he is doing and iits obvious that he has people in his ear telling him what questions he should ask and what he should be doing. why doesnt this so called ticket come forward? gutless thats why, we dont need gutless people at our club.
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I have the answer, new board, new Prez and new footy dept, its easy. For those who have been on the board and gone and want to come back, BAD LUCK !
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Pahoff the nuff nuff
i like it.
doesnt want to be seen as a trouble maker? we he is one IMO !!! >:( he should take his petition and stick it where the sun doesnt shine. He is lucky I'm in perth because if I had the opportunity to see him at the dome this weekend i would throw copious amounts of rotten fruit into his direction, thats fruitful for you !!!
sorry harry, I dont agree with you regarding this vote of no confidence, its not the way it should be done, its sneaky, its underhanded and its plainly obvious the guy doesnt know what he is doing and iits obvious that he has people in his ear telling him what questions he should ask and what he should be doing. why doesnt this so called ticket come forward? gutless thats why, we dont need gutless people at our club.
So are you happy with the status quo ?
Are you also happy to have one alternative ticket, made up of disgruntled former board members, taking over without the option of others putting their hand up ?
If Michael is doing the dirty work for these former board members who are not big enough to show their face, then I'm not for it.
What I am for is for the members to have their say. And the vast majority of members have no confidence in Casey and co. That is fact !!
This vote of no-confidence must be made public ! The current board must be put on notice, and the only way to do it is via a petition.
What I want to happen after the 100 signatures are collected is for other people with new ideas and new values to come to the surface and say they are prepared to take this club forward. I agree that it shouldn't take a petition to bring these people out, but sometimes such extreme action is required.
This will be the best way to go about it. However if there isn't enough credentialled people putting their hand up in a public manner, then the EGM should not be called.....simple. And we are stuck with Casey.
Let me make it clear - I do not want to see Pahoff loading the gun for the ticket members who have had their time in the sun and failed, these same people who obviosly have a vendetta against Casey and are lying low.
Or would you prefer to sit on your hands, not do anything about it and hope for the best. Well I'm afraid it won't happen that way. The members have a bigger role to play than you think. Because if we don't announce our disapproval via a petition and if we don't call an EGM we will be stuck with either Casey and Co. or the alternate ticket made up of former board members who have also stuffed up in the past. Again it will be taken out of the hands of the members either way.
I'm hoping for a better option. And as members the more options the better.
PRR - you say its not the way it should be done. How should it be done ?
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IMO this is how it should be done -
(1) A petition is signed by 100 members for a vote of no-confidence. Even though alot of people will not sign the petition due to the risky and costly nature of an EGM, the majority of supporters do not have confidence in Casey and Co. This should be made public and formalised via the petition.
(2) Make public all candidates and encourage other candidates to nominate. The alternative ticket should come out in a public manner and show their hand. Also any other candidates, whether they are part of a team or individuals should come out and express their interest in running. Each candidate to put together details of what their plans are and how they can help the club go forward.
(3) Give membrs enough time to examine and analyse all candidates.
(4) This is where it gets tricky - have a members meeting, or some sort of member forum, where members can gather and discuss the credentials of all the candidates. Then some sort of voting system should be in place for those who attend , in order to vote whether we should go ahead with the EGM.
(5) EGM takes place, or doesn't take place according to members vote.
I agree - the last thing we want is to go blindly into an EGM. This should be well planned and devised in the way that doesn't adversely affet the club and in a way that members have more of a say.
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Harry the RFC constitution says once you get 100 signatures you have to have a EGM within 21 days of the Secretary receiving the petition. It's not to organize a meeting and decide on whether we have a EGM.
As per Clause 6.4.1 of the Club's Constitution:
Subject to section 248 D of the Act, on a requisition in writing signed by at least one hundred members with their addresses and their membership ticket numbers, being delivered to the Secretary, he shall within twenty-one days from receiving such requisition call an Extraordinary General Meeting of the members of the Club by giving twenty-one days notice of the same by advertisement in the daily press. The requisition must state precisely the objects of such meeting including any resolution to be proposed and such objects shall appear in the advertisement in the same or a more abbreviated form.
Your outline should be in the order of 2,3,4,1,5 with the actual candidates only organizing a petition if Casey and the current board refused to hold an election in September after being challenged.
Michael on SEN today showed he doesn't have a clue what he's doing. As TS said one week he's collecting signatures as an independent; the next he's a puppet for Macek and Schwab who are too gutless to come forward publicly themselves >:(. He has no policies and provides no solutions himself yet thinks he knows what's best for the RFC. What an clown! Where's the democracy in 0.4% of the members telling the rest of us what to do? I would be embarrassed and ashamed if I could only just scrape across the line of 100 signatures. It's a joke!
I don't see how not signing this petition is showing support for Casey. I've said before that I wouldn't trust Casey, Schwab, Macek or any previous board member of the last 20 years as far as I could throw them. We currently have a board that's non-transparent with members. The alternative ticket (and there only appears to be one) are showing members they are and will be no different. They weren't before anyway when they were on the board. This EGM will be a vote between twiddledee and twiddledum and once again the Club remains a rudderless rabble. Unfortunately the tiny minority who support this petition are blindly relying on idealistic hope rather than real substance.
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So are you happy with the status quo ?
Are you also happy to have one alternative ticket, made up of disgruntled former board members, taking over without the option of others putting their hand up ?
If Michael is doing the dirty work for these former board members who are not big enough to show their face, then I'm not for it.
No HarryH I am not happy with the current situation.
But....................
I will not and cannot support a ticket that it is made of former board members who are manouvering behind the scences because as you say it will not give the members (the true owners of the Club I might add) any say. And I have no doubt that any alternative ticket will try to ensure that no other people put there hand up. Call me cynical but it will happen.
If you believe what has been printed in the papers this week (and most times I try not to but the whispers I hear say the names being bandied about are correct) there are a couple of people on this alternative ticket that are former board members. One (Schwab) walked away from the Club earleir this year and has never publicly told us why? Then there is another (Welsh) who was re-elected in January (remember we had an election in Jan 2004) who resigned on the eve of the season saying he didn't have the time but now it appears he may just have the time again :-\. These 2 were party to re-signing Danny at the end of 2001, were part of the board that oversaw the finacial losses of the past 2 years but when we apportion blame at the moment it is all Casey's fault - well sorry they have to take responsibility.
Is Michael doing these faceless people's dirty work? It appears so because he keeps telling us that "former board members" have been in contact with him and he comes across as being pleased by this fact and he has said the alternative ticket is ready to go.
All I know our Club is being torn apart yet again with a plan that would appear not to have been fully thought out by Michael. But at the same time appears to me at least, it is being used by people with their own personal agendas that haven't shown that they have the best interests of the Club at heart.
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Where's the democracy in 0.4% of the members telling the rest of us what to do? I would be embarrassed and ashamed if I could only just scrape across the line of 100 signatures. It's a joke!
If you have read this weeks "On the Prowl" page you will know that I made a comment about not achieving the 100 signatures - there was absolutely no excuse for not getting the signatures on Sunday. The fact that he hasn't got the 100 already speaks volumes IMO.
I honestly believe that Michael has lost all creditability (not that I think he had that much to begin with) with his comments in the media this week. He has "flipped flopped" more than a politician this week.
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He had a "red hot go" thats for sure and in doing so sent a small message to the club but
i feel as though Casey is laughing at the planning behind the attempted upheaval.
Waht did Case mean when he said Michael and his Father had a reputation for things of this nature ??????
Michael looks lost in the media and at times seems clueless to the real facts of the situation.
I love his heart and passion,that's undeniable,but his true understanding of the matter is slowly being exposed
as the days go by further revealing the fact that no-one really knows what they are talking about.
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He had a "red hot go" thats for sure and in doing so sent a small message to the club but
i feel as though Casey is laughing at the planning behind the attempted upheaval.
Waht did Case mean when he said Michael and his Father had a reputation for things of this nature ??????
Michael looks lost in the media and at times seems clueless to the real facts of the situation.
I love his heart and passion,that's undeniable,but his true understanding of the matter is slowly being exposed
as the days go by further revealing the fact that no-one really knows what they are talking about.
Not sure Ox but someone rang up KB this morning when he was asking Tiger members their opinion (which ran 11-1 against) saying the same thing. That he was well known for doing things like this. I personally don't remember him doing anything like this before but I do rememebr seeing his face before but can't figure out where and for what for :-\.
LOL @ how many "leaders" we have around the Club that we admire for their passion and having a "red hot go" but are in fact deep down duds. Sad but funny when you think about it in a dark humourous way.
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If you have read this weeks "On the Prowl" page you will know that I made a comment about not achieving the 100 signatures - there was absolutely no excuse for not getting the signatures on Sunday. The fact that he hasn't got the 100 already speaks volumes IMO.
I honestly believe that Michael has lost all creditability (not that I think he had that much to begin with) with his comments in the media this week. He has "flipped flopped" more than a politician this week.
I agree WP. His name is mud after today. So are the cowards that are using him to push their own agenda >:(.
Never miss the OTP articles. Always way first and days ahead of the media :).
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Harry the RFC constitution says once you get 100 signatures you have to have a EGM within 21 days of the Secretary receiving the petition. It's not to organize a meeting and decide on whether we have a EGM.
I'm saying for him NOT to go to the secretary UNTILL all candidates are made public and members are comfortable with their credentials. Michael has initially indicated that he wouldn't submit the petition untill such has occured......unless he has changed his tune - I don't know.
I've said before that I wouldn't trust Casey, Schwab, Macek or any previous board member of the last 20 years as far as I could throw them. We currently have a board that's non-transparent with members. The alternative ticket (and there only appears to be one) are showing members they are and will be no different. They weren't before anyway when they were on the board. This EGM will be a vote between twiddledee and twiddledum and once again the Club remains a rudderless rabble. Unfortunately the tiny minority who support this petition are blindly relying on idealistic hope rather than real substance.
I also have my doubts about former board members forming a ticket. We all need other viable options than this.
Interestingly Fatprick on SEN said that richmond members will be "staggered" once the people involved with the ticket become public.
Let's wait and see aye ?
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LOL @ how many "leaders" we have around the Club that we admire for their passion and having a "red hot go" but are in fact deep down duds. Sad but funny when you think about it in a dark humourous way.
Laffin @ that mate. :o
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So are you happy with the status quo ?
Are you also happy to have one alternative ticket, made up of disgruntled former board members, taking over without the option of others putting their hand up ?
If Michael is doing the dirty work for these former board members who are not big enough to show their face, then I'm not for it.
No HarryH I am not happy with the current situation.
But....................
I will not and cannot support a ticket that it is made of former board members who are manouvering behind the scences because as you say it will not give the members (the true owners of the Club I might add) any say. And I have no doubt that any alternative ticket will try to ensure that no other people put there hand up. Call me cynical but it will happen.
If you believe what has been printed in the papers this week (and most times I try not to but the whispers I hear say the names being bandied about are correct) there are a couple of people on this alternative ticket that are former board members. One (Schwab) walked away from the Club earleir this year and has never publicly told us why? Then there is another (Welsh) who was re-elected in January (remember we had an election in Jan 2004) who resigned on the eve of the season saying he didn't have the time but now it appears he may just have the time again :-\. These 2 were party to re-signing Danny at the end of 2001, were part of the board that oversaw the finacial losses of the past 2 years but when we apportion blame at the moment it is all Casey's fault - well sorry they have to take responsibility.
Is Michael doing these faceless people's dirty work? It appears so because he keeps telling us that "former board members" have been in contact with him and he comes across as being pleased by this fact and he has said the alternative ticket is ready to go.
All I know our Club is being torn apart yet again with a plan that would appear not to have been fully thought out by Michael. But at the same time appears to me at least, it is being used by people with their own personal agendas that haven't shown that they have the best interests of the Club at heart.
I agree with what youre saying but what should be done William Wallace ?
You say that youre not happy with the current situation
You say that you will not support a ticket made up with past board members
You also say that the alternate ticket will ensure no-one else put's their hand up.
What's left ?
Do we sit on our hands ? Do we wait until the alternatives show their face ? Do we wait for the white knight/s to appear ?
It's a case of youre damned if you do and youre damned if you don't.
As far as Michael is concerned, he has stated that he will not submit the petition to the secretary until everything has come to the surface. If he sticks to his word then he should be comended and not abused. If he goes blindly for an EGM then I will be the first to hurl abuse.
So far he has followed the constitution as a member has the right to do.......perhaps some abuse should go to the constitution.
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I dont think anyone is really abusing Michael Harry Hedgecock!
I have personally stated that i admire his dash fo actually doing something about it.
It would seem the media have sided with the RFC so far.
LMAOOOO@abusing our fore-fathers for penning the constitution
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I'm saying for him NOT to go to the secretary UNTILL all candidates are made public and members are comfortable with their credentials.
Sorry. Gotchya now mate and agree.
Michael has initially indicated that he wouldn't submit the petition untill such has occured......unless he has changed his tune - I don't know.
He said on SEN that if he got the 100 signatures tomorrow night then on July 4 (which is a Sunday strangely enough) he would hand it to the secretary. If he didn't he would continue accepting singatures up until July 25.
I also have my doubts about former board members forming a ticket. We all need other viable options than this.
I agree Harry and your question asking who else will stand up is an important one. That's what worries me as all I hear is there is only one group controlled by disgruntled ex-board members.
Interestingly Fatprick on SEN said that richmond members will be "staggered" once the people involved with the ticket become public.
He also said when pushed that he didn't know how many there were (more than 1 ::) that's all). Not sure how he can claim to be staggered when he doesn't know who and how many are on the ticket. Blind freddy could tell it'll consist on Macek, Schwab, Welsh and maybe Turner.
Let's wait and see aye ?
Yes but without the stupidity and recklessness of this petition.
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I agree with what youre saying but what should be done William Wallace ?
What I want to see H-man is people come out and say what they intend to do rather than them me telling me whats wrong because guess what - we know what's wrong.
I don't want to hear about who's to blame because everyone seems really good at pointing the finger. Michael is a classic case "it's Casey's fault" but I don't have any answers or ideas
I don't want to hear - "I'd love to help but I haven't got the time" because it seems there are a number of people that have plenty of time to be able to spend time telling us they have no time.
I want to hear:
How they are going to increase sponsorship.
How they are going to stop financial losses
How they are going to cut costs.
The process they are going to use to evaluate the footy department
How they intend to be transparent to the members
How they intend to attract a quality experienced coach to the RFC
How they are going to be accountable to me.
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I'd say the alternates will show their head in the upcoming weeks.
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Question I ask is why didnt the board members who left stand up to the directives that were put in place by Casey.?
Now they seek re-election ?
If you ask me, Schwab, Welsh and co had the opportunity to give there voice at board level, thus they choose not to and walked away.
I am all for something happening but I beleive its needs NEW BOARD members ,not people who have had the chance to voice there opinions and thoughts only to be heard as a whisper. ;)
They say they have the club at heart but have they really ?
Do they whant to seek re-election to boost there ego,s ?
Ther is enough egoistist members on the board at present, Casey, Turner and co who have to go.
You need a hard working board.
A person who if he had the time would be Mike Green as he would attract ex- Richmond people back to the board who have been successful in business Eg Frank Dimmatina etc.
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Never even thought of Frankie in the past - what a great suggestion Jackstar!
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People like Mike Green , Frank Dimma, The Perry family, Rex Hunt, Greg Strachan etc
There are plenty of ex-Tigers who have been successful in business who have much too offer the Richmond Football Club, unfortunately they are probably not keen to go back in a hurry :(
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Can't say i blame them - it would seem lately it's a thankless task.
But hopefully the predicament the club are in will get their hearts beating again for the Tiges!
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I've forgotten the actual rule but aren't directors responsible for a company's debt? Would put a few off especially as only the inner sanctum would know the exact state of the RFC books. At the moment all we know is it's claimed the loss is around the $2 million mark and Casey hasn't disputed this.
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Well this, i suspect, why no tickets are being announced - cos no-one's sure of the exact debt.
The only good thing about the petition will be if we can find this out.
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Well it should be in the Fighting Tiger or at least in some form in that mailout when it arrives in a week or two. We need and deserve to know.
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I suspect even further this has more to do with why Welsh and Schwab resigned.
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I suspect even further this has more to do with why Welsh and Schwab resigned.
I think that's partly the reason. At the time they said they resigned to the lack of corporate governance by Casey and a couple of other current members of the board - as in not getting the directors to sign off on the 2003 accounts.
Why Tiger director resigned
By Caroline Wilson
realfooty.theage.com.au
March 25, 2004
Richmond vice-president Brendan Schwab quit the Tigers after accusing president Clinton Casey and his treasurer Garry Cameron of breaching the Corporations Act in a fiery board meeting earlier this month.
Schwab is understood to have outlined in a letter to his former directors his concerns over a revelation that the club would lose $2 million in 2004. The meeting, which provoked the resignations of both Schwab and Peter Welsh, is believed to have recorded that the club was facing a massive 2004 loss despite forecasting a break-even result last October.
As the financial and political crisis that has engulfed the Tigers deepened on the eve of the club's round-one clash against Collingwood, Casey's position appeared under increasing threat as he worked to shore up support.
Schwab's concerns about corporate law, which were shared by Welsh despite earlier reports the resignations were not linked, could provoke AFL scrutiny should the Tigers be forced to request a seven-figure handout from the competitive balance fund.
The Age has learnt that the March board meeting was the first time the directors had met - apart from January's annual meeting - since October when Schwab is understood to have opposed Casey's proposal to underwrite the club.
It is understood that Schwab had been pushing for urgent talks for some months after learning that the club's 2003 accounts had been sent to members without being signed off by directors. His request was refused.
Under federal corporate law, the club's concise financial accounts - which recorded an $800,000 loss last year - require a directors' declaration. While Casey and Cameron signed the accounts as having been declared and adopted by the board, no such declaration had taken place.
The club is understood to have applied since then for a redirection order from the AFL. The potential $2 million loss is expected to be improved following an injection of funds from the club's fund-raising arm - the Jack Dyer Foundation.
Schwab, a lawyer, has outlined his concerns in the potentially explosive letter distributed to all directors earlier this week.
The letter is expected to be tabled at the Tigers' next board meeting early next month. Schwab is understood to have written his resignation before the March meeting but attended to address his concerns with the club's corporate governance.
His questioning of the board's corporate procedure sparked an angry personal attack from treasurer Cameron. Welsh is understood to have made it clear to colleagues that despite taking on the football director's position this year, his resignation was not linked to concerns with Danny Frawley's position as coach, as has Schwab.
Casey yesterday stood by his vow to rid the board of non-performing directors. It is understood he retains strong support of Cameron, and Don Lord, chairman of the Jack Dyer Foundation.
The Richmond meetings are attended not only by directors but also former National Party leader Peter Nixon, who acts a consultant to the board, and corporate lawyer Ian Dixon, the board's legal adviser.
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Apparently Michael got the 100 signatures required. Welcome to the Richmond merry-go-round folks as former failed board members regain control :'(
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Tiger boss dismisses challenger
By Martin Blake
realfooty.theage.com.au
June 20, 2004
Richmond president Clinton Casey has taken a swipe at the man who is trying to oust him, Michael Pahoff, who was collecting signatures for his petition outside the Telstra Dome again last night.
Casey told his chairman's dinner at the ground that Pahoff had drawn "more attention than what he deserved", and he regretted last week's meeting with Pahoff.
Casey said when they met, Pahoff had a list of 10 questions but admitted he knew nothing about the current board. "At that point, I probably should have shown him the door."
Casey, who last night confirmed the appointment of new chief executive Steven Wright, said Pahoff's challenge lacked credibility. "I don't know who he's fronting but I hope he's not an example of what we've got to come."
After collecting about 60 signatures at last Sunday's match against Fremantle, Pahoff estimated last night that he had gained enough signatures outside the Carlton match to reach the 100-signature mark he needs to force an extraordinary general meeting.
He said he would know exactly how many signatures he had gathered by this morning. "As they say in football, to win a premiership you only need to get over the line by one point," Pahoff said last night.
Asked if he wished to respond to Casey's comments, he said he hadn't heard them and: "I don't want to know what he said. As far as I'm concerned, he's part of Richmond's history."
At half-time of last night's match, Richmond was trailing Carlton by 46 points, with Blues spearhead Brendan Fevola booting six goals to that point.
In the midst of a dreadful season, the Tigers were buoyed by their final membership figure of 27,169 full members, up 8 per cent on last year.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/19/1087595789145.html
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From article: Wright the right man: Casey
6:50:18 PM Sat 19 June, 2004
Matt Burgan
Sportal
Meanwhile, Casey spoke about his meeting during the week with Richmond director of football Greg Miller and outspoken Tigers supporter Michael Pahoff, who is agitating for changes to the club's administration.
"(Pahoff) said to us - 'I've got 10 questions I'd like to ask'. I said - 'I've got one question I'd like to ask first'. My question is - 'If we answer all of your questions and prove to you that the action that you're about to take is not in the best interest in the Richmond Football Club, will you stop?' He said - 'No'," Casey said.
"At that point I probably should've shown him the door. I reckon Collo (Carlton president Ian Collins) would've. I'm damn sure (former Carlton president) John Elliott would've.
"His (Pahoff's) first question was - 'Will the entire board resign?'. I asked him whether he knew the entire board. He didn't know the people that he was talking about and he just stared at me with this blank look on his face.
Casey said that Pahoff believed that Alan Miklos, who's been on the Richmond board for only three weeks and who controls almost $1million in sponsorship, should also resign.
"Well, at that point it was clear just what we were dealing with and I don't know who he's running for but let's hope that he's not an example of what we've got to come and I guess we'll see what unfolds over the further couple of weeks."
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=155833
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Asked if he wished to respond to Casey's comments, he said he hadn't heard them and: "I don't want to know what he said. As far as I'm concerned, he's part of Richmond's history."
And guess what Michael so too are you. However it is not the proud, rich history that's means so much to so many of us (and the one most of us want to reclaim and rebuild) but you become part the recent dark, bleak, fractured lack of unity history that has engulfed our Club.
Great isn't it? >:(
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"(Pahoff) said to us - 'I've got 10 questions I'd like to ask'. I said - 'I've got one question I'd like to ask first'. My question is - 'If we answer all of your questions and prove to you that the action that you're about to take is not in the best interest in the Richmond Football Club, will you stop?' He said - 'No'," Casey said.
Then why have the meeting? All comments made by this person before and since this meeting point to PAhoff having a vendetta against 1 person being Casey. It further shows to me at least that this bloke has absolutely no idea what he is doing.
"His (Pahoff's) first question was - 'Will the entire board resign?'. I asked him whether he knew the entire board. He didn't know the people that he was talking about and he just stared at me with this blank look on his face.
I will support Casey on this point. To call for the removal of the entire board but then not know who they all are and (I am assuming here) what there qualifications are shows the lack of thought and planning in this pettition.
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Rebel Tiger reaches mark
By Nabila Ahmed
realfooty.theage.com.au
June 21, 2004
Rebel Richmond member Michael Pahoff declared yesterday he had gathered enough signatures to call an extraordinary general meeting that could spell the end for president Clinton Casey at Punt Road, but remained vague about his future plans for the club.
Pahoff, who before the weekend had to get 40 signatures to reach the 100 needed to force an extraordinary meeting, said he had reached that mark but would not reveal exactly how many he had gathered, nor say who he planned to offer as alternatives to Casey and his board.
"We've got over the 100 signatures. I don't want to disclose how many we got because I think regardless of the total I got, the number might be criticised. But it is a total that is comfortably over (100)," Pahoff said yesterday.
He said he was still waiting on signatures from country and interstate members and once compiled, the list would be taken to the club about July 5, with hopes of pushing for a mid-August extraordinary meeting.
Pahoff then plans to pass a vote of no confidence in Casey and his board and open nominations for a new administration. But he refused to divulge who he would put on the challenging ticket.
"Time will tell but they will be some very good and famous faces," he said.
"I have already spoken to them. Around August/September, everyone will know quite clearly."
But Pahoff said he had asked Casey's treasurer, Gary Cameron, to re-nominate because he was a "true Tiger who has the opportunity to be part of the team".
Casey did not return calls from The Age yesterday.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/20/1087669844974.html?oneclick=true
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"We've got over the 100 signatures. I don't want to disclose how many we got because I think regardless of the total I got, the number might be criticised. But it is a total that is comfortably over (100)," Pahoff said yesterday.
... he refused to divulge who he would put on the challenging ticket.
Oh course the number would be criticized Michael. It's such a small minority that anyone else would be ashamed to gloat over only collecting just 0.4% of the total RFC membership at two home games. Geez you must be so proud of yourself.
You have abused and exploited an archaic clause in our constitution. You have collected the first 60 signatures under false pretenses by one week claiming you were acting purely as an independent then changed your stance the following week and now work as a puppet for faceless cowards who are as transparent in their dealings as Casey is. The moment you crossed that line you exposed yourself as a fake, with no policies or real alternative strategies to help the Club, who doesn't have a clue what he's doing.
"Time will tell but they will be some very good and famous faces," he said.
I think you meant to say they will be some infamous former and failed board members Michael ::)
But Pahoff said he had asked Casey's treasurer, Gary Cameron, to re-nominate because he was a "true Tiger who has the opportunity to be part of the team".
WHAT AN EGO! . Yes only you can judge who is and isn't a "true tiger" >:(.
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Rebel Richmond member Michael Pahoff declared yesterday he had gathered enough signatures to call an extraordinary general meeting that could spell the end for president Clinton Casey at Punt Road, but remained vague about his future plans for the club.
Don't want to crictise Michael - but what I have highlighted I reckon sums up why the last 2 weeks can only be described as a joke and embarassment :P :o
As for famous faces - is Russell Crowe going to stand :o ???
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Night of long knives looms at Tigerland
By Jake Niall
realfooty.theage.com.au
July 1, 2004
They're sharpening the knives at Tigerland. Just for a change. Past players are plotting the passing of Clinton Casey, while Greg Miller prepares to prune big dollars from the football department.
As the plotters prepare to sink the blade into the resilient skin of the president, they face a dilemma that has enormous ramifications for the Richmond Football Club - when is the right time for revolution?
It's a question that Brendan Schwab and Charles Macek, former board members and Casey critics, would be pondering now as they weigh up the pros and cons of a challenge and sift through the resumes of suitable running mates.
Those past players who are agitating for change, too, will confront the delicate question of when to declare their hand.
The revolutionaries will have to consider both political strategy and that most misused of phrases - "the best interests of the football club".
If the plotters produce their switchblades as soon as possible, such as within the next fortnight, they have a chance to seize power before the club is set on a particular course by the present board.
An instant coup would give the new regime, whether it is led by Schwab, Macek or someone else, the opportunity to make decisions that might influence the 2005 season.
The appointment of a new coach is probably already beyond the scope of a prospective new board. Casey, Miller and David Parkin have already formed the threesome that will consider the credentials of Rodney Eade, Terry Wallace, Mark Harvey and the other clipboard contenders. It's unlikely that the process could or would be altered by a change of leadership.
But there are many other decisions for which the challengers, presumably, would like to have hold of the steering wheel.
There will be fundamental choices, such as whether Richmond pursues a youth policy - as Wayne Campbell suggested was likely following Danny Frawley's resignation. Richmond has not truly embraced youth, lock stock and barrel, since Kevin Bartlett drafted Campbell to the club 14 years ago.
There's other big calls for the regime. How much money can it spend? Does it beef up marketing? Which assistant coaches should stay and go? What's the club's strategic long-term plan?
The act-ASAP argument is bleeding obvious: if they don't jump now, the major decisions will be made before the revolutionaries - who will be as much old guard as new broom - take office.
Should the battle begin soon, however, the anti-Casey forces will be open to the accusation that they are rocking the boat at a delicate time, when the club is trying to attract a coach of quality.
The plotters run the risk of frightening not the horses, but the coaches. They would argue, of course, that Casey's leadership is the greater obstacle to attracting the right people to Richmond.
Unfortunately for both Casey and his would-be-challengers, the Richmond reputation for instability has already done plenty of damage.
David Cloke, who played nearly twice as many games for Richmond as Collingwood, recently admitted that his family had to take into account the apparent tumult of Tigerland when choosing a home for his talented third son, Travis. The Clokes, unsurprisingly, chose the certainty of Collingwood.
To run now or later, when the hurly-burly is done? It might be a decision of greater magnitude than the appointment of the coach.
At least the challengers, should they come out from the shadows, will not have to defend themselves against the usual charge that they will be "disrupting the team during the season". Danny Frawley has gone and, as far as 2004 goes, so is Richmond.
http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/30/1088488026599.html?oneclick=true
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As the plotters prepare to sink the blade into the resilient skin of the president, they face a dilemma that has enormous ramifications for the Richmond Football Club - when is the right time for revolution?
I think after over 20 years of promised revolutions after promised revolutions that achieve bugger all and only keep us on mediocrity street there is no right time for revolution at Tigerland ::).
The revolutionaries will have to consider both political strategy and that most misused of phrases - "the best interests of the football club".
The act-ASAP argument is bleeding obvious: if they don't jump now, the major decisions will be made before the revolutionaries - who will be as much old guard as new broom - take office.
This is the last thing we need. Either or worst still both sides making and timing decisions based on political manouevring rather than correct long-term policy and planning. Some of us never learn but that's not surprising since those involved have a past history of repeating the same mistakes >:(.
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Stuff Travis Cloke.
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Casey: Front me or shut up
06 July 2004
Herald Sun
Mark Stevens
Casey last night said he'd heard nothing despite speculation he would be asked to resign by his former deputy Brendan Schwab at a meeting this week.
"Nobody's contacted me – it's absolute news to me," Casey said.
Casey said he would be happy to talk to any challengers amid reports Schwab was forming a ticket in a bid to seize control at Punt Rd.
"If someone rings up and says `let's have a chat', of course I'd have a chat. At this point, that hasn't happened," Casey said. "It is business as usual. We're going through a review of the list and putting membership and sponsorship plans in to place."
An alternative ticket reportedly includes TAC executive Colin Radford, but it is understood Radford told Casey at the weekend he was not part of any ticket.
Radford has confirmed he would like a place on the board, but it is believed he has not met several of the others named as part of the looming alternative ticket.
If Radford does run, it will cause a conflict on the major sponsorship front at Punt Rd.
The TAC's Radford would be in one camp and Motorola boss Alan Nicklos in Casey's camp.
Others mooted to be on a ticket are ex-players Bryan Wood, Dick Clay and Peter Welsh and liquidation specialist Mike Humphris.
Casey was last week accused of going into election mode at the club's expense when he mailed out an open letter to all members, but he said last night the move was funded out of his own pocket.
"I didn't want to make it look like board propaganda so I thought I'd fund it myself," he said.
Rebel member Michael Pahoff, who has enough signatures to force an emergency general meeting, is on holiday and is yet to hand his petition to the club. He says the petition is in the hands of another group.
Ironically, given his bid to overturn the board, Pahoff has spent much of his break studying re-enactments of the Battle of Gettysburg.
He has told the Richmond fan site www.puntroadend.com that reflecting on American history has given new meaning to his bid for change.
He has linked the heroic acts of Boston merchant John Adams to the push for change at Punt Rd.
"He didn't like the way the British were running trade barriers into Boston Harbour. He got a few mates together, dressed as Indians, boarded a British cargo ship and threw its contents of tea overboard," Pahoff said.
"He didn't wait till he had a majority of the American population. He just did what he thought was right."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10052750%255E20322,00.html
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Casey last night said he'd heard nothing despite speculation he would be asked to resign by his former deputy Brendan Schwab at a meeting this week.
"Nobody's contacted me – it's absolute news to me," Casey said.
Well this supposed meeting between Schwab and Casey was meant to be held tomorrow according to media reports so someone's in for a shock or it's the media just speculating once again.
"If someone rings up and says `let's have a chat', of course I'd have a chat. At this point, that hasn't happened," Casey said.
What's Clinton's phone number? ;D
As for the second half of that article on Michael - OMG ::). Talk about away with the pixies :o. Still interesting to know that someone who was collecting signatures as an independent has now handed over his petition to a "mystery" alternative group. Just goes to show again he has no idea what he's doing as his plans change every week.
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As for the second half of that article on Michael - OMG ::). Talk about away with the pixies :o. Still interesting to know that someone who was collecting signatures as an independent has now handed over his petition to a "mystery" alternative group. Just goes to show again he has no idea what he's doing as his plans change every week.
American history, the battle of Gettysburg for crying out loud is he serious :-\ Sadly, it would appear so. Spot MT - he has no idea what he is doing - whether it be independantly, for some other group or studying the Battle of Gettysburg.
I wonder how some of the people who signed his petition are feeling ???
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[or studying the Battle of Gettysburg.
Mustn't have studied it too hard. The rebels lost that one ;).
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According to Craig Hutchison on Talking Footy, Michael Pahoff arrived back in Oz today (Hutchy spoke to him at the airport) and will decide over the weekend whehter to hand in his petition to the Club which is most likely to occur. Allegedly Michael claims Clinton gave him an assurance that Clinton would consider his future while Michael was OS but says Clinton hasn't done anything (pretty hard for Casey to do anything to satisfy Michael when Michael wants him gone). Hutchy says it would be unlikely Clinton gave such an assurance.
Anyway it looks like the petition will be handed in next week. This will according to Hutchy bring the Schwab ticket out into the open although Schwab is supposedly separate to Michael.
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Wallace in big demand
By Caroline Wilson
realfooty.theage.com.au
July 21, 2004
Terry Wallace has emerged as football's most wanted man, with three AFL clubs unofficially canvassing the former Western Bulldogs mentor as their coach for 2005.
While Richmond and Adelaide have unofficially sounded out Wallace, the prospect of him returning to Hawthorn remains a distinct possibility, with the Don Scott push placing the three-time premiership centreman at the top of its priorities to replace Peter Schwab.
Wallace seems to have inadvertently found himself a political pawn at Punt Road also, with football boss Greg Miller last night issuing a plea for stability at Tigerland: "There's so much to do here including most importantly appointing a new coach and I would like a clean run at that."
But Miller's wishes look almost certain to be thwarted by rebel member Michael Pahoff, who last month gained the required 100 signatures to call an extraordinary general meeting and potentially cause a spill of the Clinton Casey board.
Pahoff told The Age last night: "My hands are tied. I'm not going to do anything for a week and, in the meantime, I'm just going to pray that Clinton Casey shows he is ready to hand over the presidency. Brendan Schwab is a viable alternative and Clinton has said he will hand it over to a viable alternative."
While the Schwab push has lost momentum over the past week, Tiger president Casey's former deputy remains likely to challenge the current board with a seven- or eight-member ticket, five of whom were revealed in The Age 11 days ago. Schwab is still finalising his potential list of alternative directors and his supporters scoffed last night at suggestions that the Tigers' search for a new coach was being curtailed by political unrest at the club.
But Miller remained adamant. "Of course, I'd prefer not to have to deal with an EGM and potentially a spill," he said. "It's more than conceivable that this is frustrating the process. There's more than 100 signatures there, and no one knows exactly what is going to happen."
Miller said potential coaches approached by the Tigers all had asked if an election was looming. "Their next question has been: 'Where does that leave us?' "
The two coaching candidates at Tigerland are Wallace and Rodney Eade, with Wallace the preferred choice. While Miller would not comment upon who he had approached, the man with the biggest say in selecting Danny Frawley's replacement has been in contact with Pahoff to try to clarify his position.
And the fickleness of the football landscape has not harmed Wallace's prospects of moving interstate to coach.
Adelaide's past two disappointing losses have not helped interim coach Neil Craig's chances of being reappointed and while he remains the Crows' preferred choice, several Adelaide directors are renewing their lobby for Wallace.
While Scott failed to attend Monday night's Hawthorn board meeting, the former premiership ruckman and club director continues to seek support to overthrow Ian Dicker's board.
Wallace last night insisted that he had not been approached by any rebel group at Hawthorn.
http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/07/20/1090089157456.html
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Pahoff told The Age last night: "My hands are tied. I'm not going to do anything for a week and, in the meantime, I'm just going to pray that Clinton Casey shows he is ready to hand over the presidency. Brendan Schwab is a viable alternative and Clinton has said he will hand it over to a viable alternative."
How can someone who started the petition process now say his hands are tied ??? He's the one who will be deciding what the next move is ::).
Not standing up for Casey but he said he would step aside to who he thinks is a viable alternative not who Michael thinks. Clinton says Brendan doesn't have the time to devote to the job; Brendan said he left the board due to lack of corporate governance. Anyway how can we as members judge who is viable when the alternative ticket hasn't even presented itself let alone its plans for the RFC to us.
Let's hope Miller when he talks to Michael can knock some sense into him.
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Tigers battle to lure coach
21 July 2004
Herald Sun
THE search for Richmond's next coach is being thwarted by the noose held over the club by disgruntled member Michael Pahoff.
The Tigers have interviewed several candidates on a "long list" and all have expressed concern with the political climate.
Who they are, however, the Tigers won't say.
Terry Wallace, Rodney Eade, and Essendon assistant Mark Harvey are yet to be interviewed, while Garry Lyon has already rejected Richmond's overtures.
Richmond's football director Greg Miller, with former AFL coach David Parkin, had hoped to appoint a new coach before season's end and certainly before any EGM.
That has now changed as the off-field saga heads for a showdown.
Pahoff, who arrived back in Australia from the United States on Sunday, said yesterday that Richmond president Clinton Casey had a week to make moves to depart or he would face an extraordinary general meeting.
Pahoff has collected 100 signatures in order to call an EGM and a no-confidence vote in Casey and the board.
Miller said yesterday the political machinations had to be clarified before any announcement was made.
"(An appointment) won't be made for a while because we don't know the situation," Miller said.
"There's been no word if there's going to be an EGM and announcements and ratifications and even the process is all a little bit dependent on that decision.
"I can understand the trepidation of the key candidates not wanting to be involved in anything like that, either.
"They've expressed that, so before I can go further forward, we've got to ascertain what's going to happen or what's not going to happen."
A rival ticket to the board and president Casey is being formed and is to be led by former board member Brendan Schwab.
Their plan of action is understood to be linked with Pahoff's next move.
Miller denied the climate could force the club to miss out on their preferred coach, believed to be either Wallace or Eade.
"I don't think so, it's not that drastic," Miller said.
"Anyone who wants to do the job would want to know who they are going to be working for and what his surrounding team is going to be.
"It's a prudent question for them to ask.
"Who's going to be footy director, who's going to wherever, who knows?
"It's not trepidation they don't want the job.
"So, I'm not saying they won't commit, all I'm saying is it makes the whole process clearer if everyone knew what was happening."
Miller said the first-round interviews were continuing. "All I can say is David and I are having discussions in earnest and that's where we're up to," he said.
Miller also reiterated his belief that any election, or challenge, should wait until the new year.
"I would hope common sense prevails and we have the normal process of an election, which is usually in January," Miller said.
"It's a very important time for the Richmond Football Club and the timing is not right to have any EGM.
"We have so much to do, it would just put us backwards."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10198195%255E19771,00.html
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Pahoff told The Age last night: "My hands are tied. I'm not going to do anything for a week and, in the meantime, I'm just going to pray that Clinton Casey shows he is ready to hand over the presidency. Brendan Schwab is a viable alternative and Clinton has said he will hand it over to a viable alternative."
This is one of the areas where I get really angry. Though this whole thing makes me very very angry >:( >:(
Does Michael know something we don't? How can his hands possible be tied? You started this Michael no one else did - so your hands cannot be tied :banghead.
How does he know that Schwab is a viable alternative. It seems to me that for Michael any alternative is a viable alternative. Got a newsflash it doesn't and cannot work like that.. Brendan Schwab has not shown that he is a viable alternative actually at the moment no-one has.
I am not a religous person but I might need to start praying myself.
I'll be praying that we don't lose a quality coach like Wallace because of the actions of few people who claim to have the best interests of the Club at heart but seem to be happily prepared to de-rail (whether it be short or long term) our future.
IMO the most important decision we as Club face at the moment is appointing a new coach - it is paramount - and we need to get the best available person and if we fail in this because of this petition and what possibly goes along with it - then those involved should hang their heads in shame because when it is all said and done it is about the future of the RFC not individuals and their agendas. >:( >:(
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Brendan Schwab is a viable alternative …
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I was going to post the article just for that quote WP. ;)
Because I want to know too, who says Brendan Schwab is a viable alternative. And on the basis of what? >:( >:( >:(
On the basis that he’s never been the President of an AFL club, but has been part of a club Board that had no success during his time there?
I can’t help but feel that we are being led up the garden path by someone who has got himself into something that is way over his head.
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I have had a gutfull of these people using this once proud club as their own personal agenda, they have inflated ego's that need stroking well i've got news for them this club belongs to the members and supporters not individuals.
I dont give a stuff who is right or wrong just sort out the s..t so this once powerful club can be
once agained be feared instead of being made a laughing stock of.
There are too many important issues to sort out to be rooting around with petitions and what have you, this applies to the supposedly new tic as well as the current board, obviously they dont have this clubs best interests at heart otherwise they would get in their and do the job.
They way things are going we wont need a coach as we wont have a club, the only person i feel confident in is g.m he wants to get this club firing again as we all do but as long as this stench lingers what hope have we got.
ENUFF IS ENUFF GOD DAMN IT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have had a gutfull of these people using this once proud club as their own personal agenda, they have inflated ego's that need stroking well i've got news for them this club belongs to the members and supporters not individuals.
I dont give a stuff who is right or wrong just sort out the s..t so this once powerful club can be
once agained be feared instead of being made a laughing stock of.
Spot on tigers80 -excellent post
And welcome to OER ;)
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Tiger rebels reject Casey peace bid
24 July 2004
Herald Sun
Jon Pierik
REBEL Richmond member Michael Pahoff says president Clinton Casey's offer to put himself up for re-election 12 months early in a bid to bring peace to Punt Rd isn't good enough.
Casey said on Thursday he was prepared to put his fate in the hands of the members at the club's annual general meeting in January, 12 months before he is due to seek re-election.
But Pahoff said last night January was too late and he wanted a board spill in late September.
It also emerged last night that John Ilhan, the owner of the Crazy John's mobile phone empire, is keen to join the Tigers board, as long as Casey isn't in charge.
Pahoff maintained he would hand in his petition of more than 100 signatures and force an emergency general meeting unless the Tigers president agreed to his call by Tuesday.
"If Clinton Casey is prepared to announce a full board election to be held before the end of September, I will withdraw the petition," Pahoff said.
"That will give Greg Miller two months of quiet. He'll have the remainder of July, all of August and he'll have all of September . . . to make the decision he needs to make."
Miller is leading Richmond's search for a coach to replace Danny Frawley and is worried the off-field instability may hurt the club's chances of securing its No. 1 target.
Pahoff did say he was pleased to see Casey "starting to move" after giving him a seven-day deadline early last week to plan for change.
Casey said on Thursday the two people known to be calling for a spill – former board member Brendan Schwab and Pahoff – were driven by personal issues.
Pahoff said this was nonsense.
"I don't know Clinton Casey personally to be able to make a personal opinion of him," he said. "The only personal issue I have with him is he destroyed my football club."
Ilhan said last night he had the time to join the board of his beloved Tigers but was not interested in being president.
But bad business dealings with Casey in the past had soiled his relationship with the embattled leader.
"No one has actually asked me (to join). If they did it wouldn't be with the current board," Ilhan said.
"I have had a few bad business dealings with them.
"We tried a couple of sponsorship deals in the past, but they (the Tigers) weren't professional."
The Tigers this week met prospective coaches Terry Wallace and Rodney Eade.
Both are likely to be interviewed again by Miller next week.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10225211%255E19771,00.html
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"The only personal issue I have with him is he destroyed my football club."
Its not YOUR Fukken football club Tiny Tim Spandau Ballet boy.
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Any chance we could sign a petition that will make Michael Pahoff stuff off? :banghead
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Pahoff maintained he would hand in his petition of more than 100 signatures and force an emergency general meeting unless the Tigers president agreed to his call by Tuesday.
"If Clinton Casey is prepared to announce a full board election to be held before the end of September, I will withdraw the petition," Pahoff said.
"That will give Greg Miller two months of quiet. He'll have the remainder of July, all of August and he'll have all of September . . . to make the decision he needs to make."
"I don't know Clinton Casey personally to be able to make a personal opinion of him," he said. "The only personal issue I have with him is he destroyed my football club."
Clearly now it wouldn't matter what Casey offered as the only thing that would satisfy Michael is Clinton quitting.
What's the big deal about having a GM in late September?! The new coach would have already been appointed (Michael keeping this up is only creating more uncertainity in regards to this). Players contracts and delistings would have already been decided upon and settled. Any off-season recruits would be fairly well signed and sealed although not publicly released. The present board would have had to already budgeted for these all these things and the new coaching and recruiting staff would have already basically decided upon what they plan to do during the trade and draft period. Late September is too late anyway Michael. An alternative board would have to be already in place if it wanted to have control over these decisions. As a result IMO it makes no difference whether a GM is held in late September or January.
Nah it's not personal Michael. You only blame Casey solely for all our problems yet you give Schwab and Welsh who would have also played a major role in the decisions of the last 5 years your full support. Go figure! :banghead
Hey Michael it is OUR football club ::).
Ilhan said last night he had the time to join the board of his beloved Tigers but was not interested in being president.
But bad business dealings with Casey in the past had soiled his relationship with the embattled leader.
"We tried a couple of sponsorship deals in the past, but they (the Tigers) weren't professional."
On SEN it was mentioned that John Ilhan and Casey had only met once. According to Casey yesterday the club went for Motorola instead.
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Another day and another article about the petition man. >:(
Michael Pahoff wake up and smell the coffee. Do you actaully have any idea what you are doing? More importantly do you really care? >:( >:(
Pahoff maintained he would hand in his petition of more than 100 signatures and force an emergency general meeting unless the Tigers president agreed to his call by Tuesday.
So it's Michael Pahoff's way or no way - SELFISH >:( >:( >:(
"If Clinton Casey is prepared to announce a full board election to be held before the end of September, I will withdraw the petition," Pahoff said.
"That will give Greg Miller two months of quiet. He'll have the remainder of July, all of August and he'll have all of September . . . to make the decision he needs to make."
How generous of you Mr Pahoff- ::) Is this offer supposed to make me feel better? Because what it doens't - it makes my blood boil
Casey said on Thursday the two people known to be calling for a spill – former board member Brendan Schwab and Pahoff – were driven by personal issues.
Pahoff said this was nonsense.
"I don't know Clinton Casey personally to be able to make a personal opinion of him," he said. "The only personal issue I have with him is he destroyed my football club."
Mr Pahoff,
You say you cannot make a personal opinion on Clinton Casey but the "only personal issue" you have is with Clinton Casey because in your eyes he has single handedly "destroyed your football club".
Guess what - that is personal and your comment about it being your club is selfish but I'll get to that in a minute
Ilhan said last night he had the time to join the board of his beloved Tigers but was not interested in being president.
But bad business dealings with Casey in the past had soiled his relationship with the embattled leader.
"No one has actually asked me (to join). If they did it wouldn't be with the current board," Ilhan said.
"I have had a few bad business dealings with them.
"We tried a couple of sponsorship deals in the past, but they (the Tigers) weren't professional."
Fair dinkum - what is it with these "alternative people". John Ilhan says he would be happy to join the board but not a board with Casey on it. Guess what John; supposedly a former director Brendan Schwab you may have heard of him - well there are people saying he is trying put together an alternative ticket - have you considered calling him and offering your services - is it really that hard.
Also, if you were not happy with the "professionalism" shown by the Tigers why didn't you do something about it - like joining the board and trying improve things rather than complaining. All the alternatives are big on pointing fingers but show little else. Enough already :banghead
The only personal issue I have with him is he destroyed my football club."
You selfish egotisitcal man - how dare you. "Your football CLub".
No no no ....
it is "OUR FOORTBALL CLUB". It is not yours or mine it is OURS. And Mr Pahoff you really need to start realising this FACT or perhaps you don't want to because the moment you do it stops being about you. Well I have a newsflash for you - this isn't about you it is about the Richmond Football Club
How much do you Mr Pahoff really care about the RFC? Do you care that you are helping to destroy it?
It is disgraceful that 1 man can sit back and hold OUR football club to ransom.
Go ahead with this petition Mr Pahoff and you'll show us how much you really care about OUR footy Club and how selfish you really are
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It is disgraceful that 1 man can sit back and hold OUR football club to ransom.
Holding the club to ransom is a good way of describing it WP. This petition has now come down to a straight forward form of blackmail. And Michael reckons Casey is dictatorial ::).
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Remind me never to cross you WT :rollin
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WP - up until Michael Pahoff announced he would present his petition on Tuesday I would not have agreed with your sentiments about him. Now I am leaning towards your view because I can't think of any valid reason he would be still presenting it.
The alleged alternative are reportedly going to raise and present their own petition so Pahoff's is not required.
If this alternative moves on the back of his petition they will instantly lose a lot of credibility in my eyes for the mere fact that the EGM will have been forced by someone who has never had any intention of anything other than removing Casey and at the same time never having any intention of providing an option to Casey.
I also dread the shambles the threatened EGM might be if Pahoff is running the show because I sense growing ill-feeling towards him. I still believe he is well meaning but think he is blinded by his apparent vendetta to oust the current board no matter what.
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If he presents the petition without revealing his supposed viable alterative he should be banished to Iraq
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Well this mystery alternative ticket has only got until Monday to reveal themselves otherwise Michael will be presenting his petition without providing any alternative let alone a viable one. This is ridiculous! :scream
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ROOOOLIN @ MICHAEL PAY-OFF
Seems to be what he's loking for. :scream
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Remind me never to cross you WT :rollin
I am usually a pretty calm, laid back chappy but when things get me angry - well I suppose I get fired up with the best of 'em :) ;)
Bottom line is I love this Club - we all do - if we didn't we wouldn't care about what is going on. We all want the same things; to survive and and be successful. If we didn't we wouldn't post here, we wouldn't have created this site - get the picture
I hate seeing where the Club is financially. But to say it is the fault of 1 person is stupid. There are 9 people on that board; all adults who are supposed to be free thinking and able to make there own decisions. These people made the bad decisions - all of them and if any one if them voted in favour of something simple because Clinton CAsey supposed told them too - well they shouldn't be there now or in the future. As I have said many times you cannot have it both ways. The financial plan of the Club this year was wrong because they banked on playing finals - and clearly that was stupid. But this adminsitration isn't the first to do that.
Mr Pahoff wants the whole board removed but he seems to forget that 2 of the current board (March & Mathies) were elected by the members in January (remember we had an election) the other person elected at the time Peter Welsh has since quit for what reasoins none of us are 100% sure of because he said in the press it was because of a lack of time but we are now hearing through the papers it was because of Casey. But again he was elected so those elected shouldn't be turfed out now.
Again as I have said before Mr Pahoff has flipped flopped more than a politician since he started this. IMO what he has shown in the last 48 hours is nothing but contempt for the members of the RFC and a selfish need to get his own way at the expense of our Footbal Club - the Club that I know I love with a passion and I have no doubt the majoirty here do as well.
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I'll be peeed off if he presents the petition without an alternative, but equally peeed off if he is merely a puppet for an alternative hiding behind him pulling the strings.
So l guess hes damaged goods to me regardless :help
Since he has collected the 100 signatures required he has failed to confirm or deny working alongside an alternative, a shifty and non-transparent stance that Phantom used to accuse Casey of!! Go figure... :-\
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Tigers to chase petition signees
26 July 2004
Herald Sun
Bruce Matthews
RICHMOND plans to approach every member on challenger Michael Pahoff's petition to try to talk them out of forcing a board spill at the club.
President Clinton Casey said yesterday the Tigers would get in touch with each signee to emphasis the destructive nature of what they have agreed to back.
"We're certainly going to look forward to contacting every single person who's on that list," Casey told Richmond's official lunch guests at the MCG.
"I really can't believe that the members that this Pahoff has cornered two or three weeks ago fully understand what they were signing, fully understand the timing and the damage that this petition could potentially cause."
The petition containing the minimum 100 signatures which, under the constitution, requires the club to call an extraordinary meeting which would become due before the end of the season is expected to be lodged at Punt Road tomorrow.
"They say they're going to deliver it to the football club next week and they are going to do that unless the entire board resigns which would at that point leave the Richmond Football Club with no CEO in the chair, no coach for next year, no board, no president," Casey said.
"That's a position that we think is completely unacceptable for this footy club, so if the petition does get delivered, we're certainly going to contact every single person."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10245508%255E19771,00.html
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Wallace wary of turmoil
realfooty.theage.com.au
By Daniella Miletic, Peter Ker
July 26, 2004
Terry Wallace, a prime target for the AFL's coaching vacancies next season, said yesterday said he might not coach at all next year, given the turbulent political climate at both Hawthorn and Richmond football clubs.
Wallace said that "massive changes" would be essential for both clubs, including cutting eight to 10 players on each club's playing list.
While Hawthorn's interim chief executive Jason Dunstall confirmed the club would interview the former Bulldogs coach during the week, Wallace was adamant he would not crawl over broken glass to coach in 2005.
"Not coaching next year is a realistic prospect. If I don't believe the three clubs (Hawthorn, Richmond, Adelaide) are right for Terry Wallace, then certainly Terry Wallace won't coach next year," Wallace said.
"It's such a difficult job that the mix has to be right for you and you have just got to feel that everything is lined up and it is absolutely perfect. Otherwise, I won't do it.
"I am OK financially, I don't have to do it. If I don't think it's right, then I won't put myself and my family through it."
The Hawthorn and Richmond boards are both facing an uncertain future. Rebel Tigers member Michael Pahoff is vowing to submit a petition this week to spill the Richmond board if it refuses to stand down and former Hawthorn board member Don Scott is leading a charge against the Ian Dicker-led Hawks board.
"You really don't want to be in a situation where you are negotiating with one group and then find out that somewhere down the track . . . that that's not the group that you are going to be working with," Wallace said.
"It's more than financial stability, it's so the club can work well. You want to make sure that the people you are talking to are running the club at that stage, and if they are not, or there is some doubt, then you have got to take that into account."
Pahoff said last night he was unconcerned that Wallace had voiced doubts about instability at Richmond and said he did not think the former Bulldogs coach was the right man for the Tigers.
"There are three clubs looking for coaches and potentially four quality coaches available: Wallace, Eade, O'Donnell and Harvey, he said. "So there's more than enough coaches to go around. I don't think Wallace is the right coach for Richmond anyway. I've heard he is going to Hawthorn and chasing money anyway."
Earlier, Richmond president Clinton Casey said he would ask the members who signed Pahoff's petition to withdraw their support for the document.
Casey said the supporters who had signed Pahoff's petition did not realise the gravity of what they were doing.
"I really can't believe that the members that Pahoff courted a few weeks ago fully understood what they were signing, fully understood the timing and the damage that this petition could potentially cause," he said.
"Hopefully we can explain that to those people on the list and we can offer them a better solution, have them withdraw their names, and address any member issues at the end of the season at the appropriate time."
Pahoff started collecting signatures before Richmond's round-12 match against Fremantle and gathered the 100 signatures needed to force an extraordinary general meeting the following week at the match against Carlton.
Casey said submitting the petition would leave the club "with no CEO in the chair, no coach for next year, no board and no president; a position that we think is completely unacceptable for this footy club".
"If the petition does get delivered, we are certainly going to look forward to contacting every single person that is on that list," Casey said.
Pahoff was in the crowd at yesterday's match between Richmond and Melbourne and said he was not surprised by Casey's plan. He said the Richmond supporters were well aware of what his petition stood for.
"I gave them sheets to take home and read, I gave them plenty of information," he said. "There's going to be a lot of disinformation by the board, I can't do much about it. Clinton has his own little world and can't distinguish fact from fiction."
Hawthorn football director Dermott Brereton last night declined to comment on Wallace's remarks, saying only: "That's his perception."
Brereton also said the club had not reconsidered its position of having sacked coach Peter Schwab see out the rest of the season at the helm. "There's been no reconsideration. We expect Peter to see out the request of the club," he said.
http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/07/25/1090693833764.html?oneclick=true
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Not sure why the Club would chase after the signaturees. I thought once a petition is handed in to the Secretary of the Club that's it - a EGM must be called.
Pahoff said last night he was unconcerned that Wallace had voiced doubts about instability at Richmond and said he did not think the former Bulldogs coach was the right man for the Tigers.
"There are three clubs looking for coaches and potentially four quality coaches available: Wallace, Eade, O'Donnell and Harvey, he said. "So there's more than enough coaches to go around. I don't think Wallace is the right coach for Richmond anyway. I've heard he is going to Hawthorn and chasing money anyway."
WTF! Now he thinks he's an expert on AFL coaches (based on a unsubstantiated rumour he heard on the radio). Talk about an massive EGO >:( >:( >:(.
You've made a fatal assumption there Michael. We may want these candidates but who says all or any of the four want to coach us? Remember that's how we ended up with Danny :banghead.
We've now had two coaching applicants come out in the past two days voicing their concern and Michael is just snubbing his nose at them and more worryingly at our Club's best interests in general.
He is now a walking time bomb holding the club to ransom. God help the RFC :'(.
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"I am OK financially, I don't have to do it. If I don't think it's right, then I won't put myself and my family through it."
Are you aure Terry? Mr Pahoff tells me that you are just after the money - see below ::)
"You really don't want to be in a situation where you are negotiating with one group and then find out that somewhere down the track . . . that that's not the group that you are going to be working with," Wallace said.
"It's more than financial stability, it's so the club can work well. You want to make sure that the people you are talking to are running the club at that stage, and if they are not, or there is some doubt, then you have got to take that into account."
First Rodney Eade says it and now Terry Wallace - this couldn't possibly having any influence on our ability ot get a coach could it :-\
Pahoff said last night he was unconcerned that Wallace had voiced doubts about instability at Richmond and said he did not think the former Bulldogs coach was the right man for the Tigers.
"There are three clubs looking for coaches and potentially four quality coaches available: Wallace, Eade, O'Donnell and Harvey, he said. "So there's more than enough coaches to go around. I don't think Wallace is the right coach for Richmond anyway. I've heard he is going to Hawthorn and chasing money anyway."
I said it on Sunday and I will repeat it - you selfish egotistical man Mr Pahoff. But then again if you say Terry Wallace isn't the man for the Tigers - then that has to be right because it is your way or no way
"Clinton has his own little world and can't distinguish fact from fiction."
Gee if this situation wasn't so serious that final comment would be funny because Mr Pahoff would appear to be in his own little word too but that doesn't count.
Mr Pahoff continues to prove to me that this whole petition is not about Richmond but about him. Selfish!
Let's look at a few of the things he has told us:
He has told us that Terry Wallace isn't the right man for the job but we shouldn't worry because there are plenty of quality coaches out there and used the classic line "I have heard" to justify his postition.
He has told us we need a new board but he isn't going to stand (that's a positive I suppose), that he isn't aligned to a alternative ticket but Brendan Schwab is a viable option but has not tried to back up this comment.
And the best one of all "it's his football club"
Do the views of other members matter to you Mr Pahoff? Apparently not , why would they?
I said yesterday that IMO Mr Pahoff had shown in the previous 48 hours nothing but comtempt for the members of the RFC. All he has said in the last 24 hours only proves it. SELFISH
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These people have just reinforced the view that they are doing this for selfish reasons only. As you’ve mentioned WP.
There is no guarantee of success under the Casey administration, but neither is there any guarantee under any other administration. And unless any new ticket can guarantee, in writing, that they can deliver success then why should anyone support them? Especially when they show themselves to be selfish and naïve, by continuing to go down this track.
So we would all be better served to just get behind the footy Club and support them to work through things rather than thinking someone else will do a better job. Because we have enough history that tells us it’s unlikely they will. And they won’t because it’s the Richmond way that no administration ever gets the support they need to do better, or the opportunity to make the hard decisions that need to be made. Instead, as soon as things go wrong, there are people on their back saying they can do better. And out they go.
All Clubs make mistakes, but the good ones work through and resolve them. Our solution has always been to make someone the scapegoat.
The way to finally put a stop to this, and the divisiveness that goes with it, is to be prepared to do the hard work that needs doing, on a united front and stop thinking that someone else will do better.
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The minute he starts making comments about coaches, well thats where he tests my patience. Enough is enough.
His job is to just load the gun that is to shoot Casey off the presidency, that is it. Once he oversteps the boundaries he is stuffed and unfortunately with idiotic comments like the above, he is done for.
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Let this experience be a lesson to whoever signed the petition to never sign any dotted lines unless you know the full ramifications of your actions.
As for Pahoff himself, some feral will king hit him the next time he has the balls to attend a game and isn't having his sabbatical in the states. That will serve him right.
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LMAOOOJohnF
Beware of anti-semites bearing a pie with sauce and a VB.
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Well when I fly to melbourne again next year and catch a couple of games... pahoff better hope he isnt around, because this feral is pretty peeed off.
LOL
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Wasn't this a fun period kiddies,all for the better :thumbsup
Bring on 06 :cheers
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LOL. I love the "I don't think Wallace is the right coach for Richmond anyway" comment. Classic!
At last it appears the Club is no longer being run as it had been for the past two decades on the short-sighted whims of a small(-minded) minority who thought they were above and knew more than the rest of us. Last year was a complete mess but in years to come we'll all be saying it was the best thing that ever happened to the RFC. It's our Club :thumbsup.
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lmao Mighty.
There are some real pizzers in the archives :shh
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There's some classic threads on this site and this is one of them.
The **** bashing thread was another awesome one as well.
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roflmao@petition starters
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Petitions -LMAOOO
Must be the origin of petty.
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Petitions -LMAOOO
Must be the origin of petty.
:rollin
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LMAO also - I first discovered the world of these forum thigy's when this was all starting - I think I lasted about a week somewhere before I realised what a pack of tools they were over there and have not been back ever since (I wasn't banned).
My oh My how foolish some of them must feel now :lol
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Wasn't this a fun period kiddies,all for the better :thumbsup
Bring on 06 :cheers
:rollin :rollin
Some absolute gems in this thread. Personally some of my best work :lol :lol
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*BUMP*
start @ first page
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we are due i guess.
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we are due i guess.
as regular as a baby on laxetives :sleep
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The problem with our muntinees is they sink the ship they are on :P,