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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WilliamPowell on July 23, 2014, 09:30:59 PM
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Richmond ruckman Ivan Maric’s cousin Ivan Soldo rookie-listed by the Tigers
MICHAEL WARNER
HERALD SUN JULY 23, 2014 9:00PM
Richmond ruckman Ivan Maric, right, with his rookie-listed cousin Ivan Soldo. Picture: Tim Carrafa
A NEW ruckman called Ivan has landed at Richmond.
Ivan Soldo, 18, the cousin of Tigers cult hero Ivan Maric, has been signed as a rookie despite never playing a game of footy in his life.
The giant 204cm, 106kg state basketballer will run out for his first Australian Rules match for the Northern Knights in the TAC Cup on Saturday.
He’ll play out the year in the under 18s before joining the Tigers full-time next year.
“I’ve never played before but I might as well give it my best shot,” Soldo said yesterday.
“My cousin Ivan helped me out a lot in getting through to Richmond, but it’s pretty random how it all happened.”
Soldo’s journey to Punt Rd began over Christmas when the talented Canberra-based basketballer told his cousin he was keen to try football.
Maric, who stands at 200cm, got the ball rolling by showing Tigers chiefs a photograph of Soldo, who has represented the ACT in basketball at under 16 and under 18 level.
Ivan Maric helped cousin Ivan Soldo land an AFL rookie spot. Picture: Tim Carrafa
“It’s all happened really quickly,” Maric said yesterday.
“He was talking to me about wanting to play footy ... I showed the club a photo of us together and they couldn’t believe the size of the kid.
“So he came down (in May) and had a bit of a kick and did some training. He’s got the height and size but the most important thing was the attitude and work ethic that he showed. He just wants to learn.”
Because Soldo has never been registered at an Australian Rules club, Richmond was able to sign him as a category B rookie — the same rule used by Collingwood to secure US college basketball player Mason Cox last month.
The Croatian cousins share the same first name, but not the trademark Maric mullett.
“He’s still single so he’s looking for a wife,” quipped Maric, whose father and grandfather are also named Ivan.
“It’s a pretty popular Croatian name. If you go down to the Croatian club and call out Ivan probably about 50 blokes will turn around.”
Richmond football boss Dan Richardson said yesterday: “Ivan is very raw, and will be a long-term project, but he has all the attributes of an AFL player and we look forward to seeing what he can bring to the group.
“He has shown a great capacity and willingness to learn, and he has really thrown himself into training.
“Being able to gain some valuable playing experience in the TAC Cup will only fast-track his development, before he can join in a full pre-season with Richmond.
“And being able to go to his cousin for advice has also helped introduce him to the weekly demands of AFL footy.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-ruckman-ivan-marics-cousin-ivan-soldo-rookielisted-by-the-tigers/story-fni5f9jb-1226998896598
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i know i come across negative all the time. in fact lately i am , i question if i should even be posting on our sites im tht dismayed in the direction the club has taken.
thing is i really have to question this.
an 18 yr old whos never played the game. yet we could ignore youngsters like darcy cameron. we can give a rookie spot to one of our players cousins a kid who hasnt played the game yet we can ignore, and not even rookie young ruckmen who have come thru elite systems and who show plenty ffs cameron for instance was touted as the best young ruckman going around last yr.
look i can live with giving ivans cousin a go he may have some potential. but at the same time i sure as hell hope we can target and rookie list a young FOOTBALLER like darcy cameron at the same time.
i can see it now, the recruiters and list manager sitting around the table and they go, we dont have to look at any other ruckmen we have the 18 yo basketballer whos ivans cousin hes bound to make it.
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youre not wrong claw
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Already an upgrade on Hampsud.
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Nothing really risked but you would hope for a little more complexity from our recruiting department than here's a photo of my cousin who would like to play footy.
The other thing that jumps out is how valuable is the TAC Cup if it's integrity can be disrupted in such a way. No wonder SA and WA kids playing senior leagues seem to come out more advanced.
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A category B rookie doesn't take up any of our rookie or main list spots does it? That's the way I understand it. So I get Claws point but comparing rookie listing footballers v non footballers is a bit redundant in this case since he's a category B rookie.
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Nothing really risked but you would hope for a little more complexity from our recruiting department than here's a photo of my cousin who would like to play footy.
Well it's a basically a free hit but yeah good to see we've moved on from watching 20 minute videos of kids from NT. I guess now we at least put effort into our first round picks.
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A category B rookie doesn't take up any of our rookie or main list spots does it? That's the way I understand it.
That's how I thought it worked as well.
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A category B rookie doesn't take up any of our rookie or main list spots does it? That's the way I understand it. So I get Claws point but comparing rookie listing footballers v non footballers is a bit redundant in this case since he's a category B rookie.
article only says hes signed as a rookie.
what is wrong with getting him onto our supplementary reserves list you knopw the list that contains davey who doesnt play. we get him in our system we keep an eye on him and we dont waste a spot on a bloke whos never played the game.
its almost as if they they think they can appease us by feel good stories. im sick to death of this sort of nonsense.
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A category B rookie doesn't take up any of our rookie or main list spots does it? That's the way I understand it. So I get Claws point but comparing rookie listing footballers v non footballers is a bit redundant in this case since he's a category B rookie.
article only says hes signed as a rookie.
what is wrong with getting him onto our supplementary reserves list you knopw the list that contains davey who doesnt play. we get him in our system we keep an eye on him and we dont waste a spot on a bloke whos never played the game.
its almost as if they they think they can appease us by feel good stories. im sick to death of this sort of nonsense.
Try again santa:
Because Soldo has never been registered at an Australian Rules club, Richmond was able to sign him as a category B rookie — the same rule used by Collingwood to secure US college basketball player Mason Cox last month.
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schnell schnell der Ivans kommt
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Black Mullet ist krieg!
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A category B rookie doesn't take up any of our rookie or main list spots does it? That's the way I understand it. So I get Claws point but comparing rookie listing footballers v non footballers is a bit redundant in this case since he's a category B rookie.
article only says hes signed as a rookie.
what is wrong with getting him onto our supplementary reserves list you knopw the list that contains davey who doesnt play. we get him in our system we keep an eye on him and we dont waste a spot on a bloke whos never played the game.
its almost as if they they think they can appease us by feel good stories. im sick to death of this sort of nonsense.
Try again santa:
Because Soldo has never been registered at an Australian Rules club, Richmond was able to sign him as a category B rookie — the same rule used by Collingwood to secure US college basketball player Mason Cox last month.
ah pays to read the whole article. got abouyt half way and had enough.
still i find it amazing we cant rookie list young ruckmen or talls for that matter who have come thru the elite systems and programs that are set out.
as i also said fine give him a go but ffs lets not put all of our eggs in the cousin basket. what odds do you give me that this bloke remains the only ruckman we have looked at come the end of the off season.
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Black Mullet ist krieg!
bahaha pay that. Call of the Winter Mullet, given the time of year.
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Nothing really risked but you would hope for a little more complexity from our recruiting department than here's a photo of my cousin who would like to play footy.
but yeah good to see we've moved on from watching 20 minute videos of kids from NT. I guess now we at least put effort into our first round picks.
have we? sheesh going by our record you could have fooled me.
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Mike Pike says hi..........never played a game until his 20's and now a premiership player so what do we have to lose :thumbsup
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Mike Pike says hi..........never played a game until his 20's and now a premiership player so what do we have to lose :thumbsup
lol they cant get taking players who have played all their lives right, how the hell are they going to get this one right.
will say again. fine, give him a go. but the real point being made is i hope they dont put all their eggs in this long shot basket, which is what they usually do.
dont you think it ironic they cant develop young ruckmen, they cant even rookie list young ruckmen who have come thru the elite systems. they cant even trade for a decent mature ruckman, yet they can give this bloke a go whos never ever played the game.
me all im asking is they get the basics right first before they attempt miracles.
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i know i come across negative all the time. in fact lately i am , i question if i should even be posting on our sites im tht dismayed in the direction the club has taken.
thing is i really have to question this.
an 18 yr old whos never played the game. yet we could ignore youngsters like darcy cameron. we can give a rookie spot to one of our players cousins a kid who hasnt played the game yet we can ignore, and not even rookie young ruckmen who have come thru elite systems and who show plenty ffs cameron for instance was touted as the best young ruckman going around last yr.
look i can live with giving ivans cousin a go he may have some potential. but at the same time i sure as hell hope we can target and rookie list a young FOOTBALLER like darcy cameron at the same time.
i can see it now, the recruiters and list manager sitting around the table and they go, we dont have to look at any other ruckmen we have the 18 yo basketballer whos ivans cousin hes bound to make it.
b honest. U don't like him cos you're a serbian
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I think opinion is premature.
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If he grew a mullet would that help?
You dknt get that many peeeps that size running around. If he went to collingwood you'd all be crying
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A category B rookie doesn't take up any of our rookie or main list spots does it? That's the way I understand it. So I get Claws point but comparing rookie listing footballers v non footballers is a bit redundant in this case since he's a category B rookie.
article only says hes signed as a rookie.
what is wrong with getting him onto our supplementary reserves list you knopw the list that contains davey who doesnt play. we get him in our system we keep an eye on him and we dont waste a spot on a bloke whos never played the game.
its almost as if they they think they can appease us by feel good stories. im sick to death of this sort of nonsense.
Sorry Claw but it does say that he's category B otherwise I wouldn't of known since I don't get mail ;D. I don't know but maybe category B is cheaper? Could be pulling this out from my bum but does the AFL pay their wage? I'm guessing Richmond pay for VFL listed players? Also leaves him open to other teams if he turns out good.
I agree with that last setence :cheers. And your others about needing to look at getting young ruckman with AFL background
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I think we pay them but it's not counted in the salary cap and it doesn't take up a list spot. (?)
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I think we pay them but it's not counted in the salary cap and it doesn't take up a list spot. (?)
That's probably what I read and twisted it thanks :thumbsup
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I think we pay them but it's not counted in the salary cap and it doesn't take up a list spot. (?)
Yep again that's how I understand it to work
Nothing to lose, lot to gain if it works
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Already an upgrade on Hampsud.
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International rookie selection, pretty shrewd pick up by the tigers........again.... :shh
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i know i come across negative all the time. in fact lately i am , i question if i should even be posting on our sites im tht dismayed in the direction the club has taken.
thing is i really have to question this.
an 18 yr old whos never played the game. yet we could ignore youngsters like darcy cameron. we can give a rookie spot to one of our players cousins a kid who hasnt played the game yet we can ignore, and not even rookie young ruckmen who have come thru elite systems and who show plenty ffs cameron for instance was touted as the best young ruckman going around last yr.
look i can live with giving ivans cousin a go he may have some potential. but at the same time i sure as hell hope we can target and rookie list a young FOOTBALLER like darcy cameron at the same time.
i can see it now, the recruiters and list manager sitting around the table and they go, we dont have to look at any other ruckmen we have the 18 yo basketballer whos ivans cousin hes bound to make it.
C'mon claw, aren't you the same bloke that advocated we mortgage the jack dyer stand to trade in Tom Lee, get a grip fella , this kid goes alright just quietly :shh
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strange! but nothing to lose so wgaf
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Frikken hell! Looking at the photos the kid is a monster. Makes Ivan look small. If he doesn't work out he can at least work the door at the Wantirna club.
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Good pick up i reckon. would have to have some skill. as long as he has the aggression of maric he will be useful for us
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this kid goes alright just quietly :shh
On what basis do you make this claim?
He has never been so much as registered at a footy club. Has never played in a game.
I have no problem with this stab in the dark, but no need to talk complete rubbish at this stage.
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this kid goes alright just quietly :shh
well if thats your mail then its certain that he doesnt go alright. lock it in.
Bojangles dodgy mail strikes again.
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i know i come across negative all the time. in fact lately i am , i question if i should even be posting on our sites im tht dismayed in the direction the club has taken.
thing is i really have to question this.
an 18 yr old whos never played the game. yet we could ignore youngsters like darcy cameron. we can give a rookie spot to one of our players cousins a kid who hasnt played the game yet we can ignore, and not even rookie young ruckmen who have come thru elite systems and who show plenty ffs cameron for instance was touted as the best young ruckman going around last yr.
look i can live with giving ivans cousin a go he may have some potential. but at the same time i sure as hell hope we can target and rookie list a young FOOTBALLER like darcy cameron at the same time.
i can see it now, the recruiters and list manager sitting around the table and they go, we dont have to look at any other ruckmen we have the 18 yo basketballer whos ivans cousin hes bound to make it.
C'mon claw, aren't you the same bloke that advocated we mortgage the jack dyer stand to trade in this kid goes alright just quietly :shh
whats your mail on big ivan
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He is an elite basketballer with very transferable skills with height and size to contest with the best ruckmen going around. He has a great attitude and ready made mentor (who is family, plays in the same position and is a great character) to fast track his development and we get him for nothing!!.
Where's the down side here?! His greatest difficulties would be his kicking and running to position/the lines. His jump, ruck work, body work in close during ruck duels, handballing and movement in congestion and marking will all be AFL standard if not better being an elite basketballer.
Pike came through as a rugby player who had even more deficiencies than this kid.
Could be a huge find but regardless I can't see how people could be negative about this. I think its become habit for some at the moment
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He is an elite basketballer with very transferable skills with height and size to contest with the best ruckmen going around. He has a great attitude and ready made mentor (who is family, plays in the same position and is a great character) to fast track his development and we get him for nothing!!.
Where's the down side here?! His greatest difficulties would be his kicking and running to position/the lines. His jump, ruck work, body work in close during ruck duels, handballing and movement in congestion and marking will all be AFL standard if not better being an elite basketballer.
Pike came through as a rugby player who had even more deficiencies than this kid.
Could be a huge find but regardless I can't see how people could be negative about this. I think its become habit for some at the moment
Wot he said.
:thumbsup
Haters gotta hate.
:lol
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He is an elite basketballer with very transferable skills with height and size to contest with the best ruckmen going around. He has a great attitude and ready made mentor (who is family, plays in the same position and is a great character) to fast track his development and we get him for nothing!!.
Where's the down side here?! His greatest difficulties would be his kicking and running to position/the lines. His jump, ruck work, body work in close during ruck duels, handballing and movement in congestion and marking will all be AFL standard if not better being an elite basketballer.
Pike came through as a rugby player who had even more deficiencies than this kid.
Could be a huge find but regardless I can't see how people could be negative about this. I think its become habit for some at the moment
Well if Scott Pendlebury and Gary Ablett is anything to go by, basketball skills go very well with Australian Rules
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I've just sent the RFC a pic of my nan. She reckons she wants to play AFL next year. Now I realise she's 72 years old and has never played footy before but she's built like a brick sh*thouse and when she the kicks her dog's arse it goes flying out the door so she's definitely got a good hoof on her. She's also a gun bingo player and it's well documented that they always adapt well to AFL.
Pretty sure the tiges will be impressed and rookie list her for next year. Keep your eye out folks. We might've found one.
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He is an elite basketballer with very transferable skills with height and size to contest with the best ruckmen going around. He has a great attitude and ready made mentor (who is family, plays in the same position and is a great character) to fast track his development and we get him for nothing!!.
Where's the down side here?! His greatest difficulties would be his kicking and running to position/the lines. His jump, ruck work, body work in close during ruck duels, handballing and movement in congestion and marking will all be AFL standard if not better being an elite basketballer.
Pike came through as a rugby player who had even more deficiencies than this kid.
Could be a huge find but regardless I can't see how people could be negative about this. I think its become habit for some at the moment
Well said :clapping
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I've just sent the RFC a pic of my nan. She reckons she wants to play AFL next year. Now I realise she's 72 years old and has never played footy before but she's built like a brick sh*thouse and when she the kicks her dog's arse it goes flying out the door so she's definitely got a good hoof on her. She's also a gun bingo player and it's well documented that they always adapt well to AFL.
Pretty sure the tiges will be impressed and rookie list her for next year. Keep your eye out folks. We might've found one.
Would be an upgrade on Hampson
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3 pages on an 18 year old..... Drama.
Get back to work, FFS
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Would be an upgrade on Hampson
So would my other nan......and she died 10 years ago.
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International rookie selection, pretty shrewd pick up by the tigers........again.... :shh
If you have do this :shh
Can you please at least get the bit about what type of rookie he is right? You know the actual facts
He isn't an International Rookie Selection. He is a B Rookie - which means because he has never been registered at Local AFL Rules club anywhere in Australia he doen'st have to go through the draft process. It has nothing to do with being an international rookie ::)
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On the surface I dont like it because you cant have recruiting done this way ie. a player recommends his cousin for a gig IMHO is not on, on the other hand the boy is a fantastic size for a ruckman, his still very young and we could probably spend 2 or 3 years developing him as a ruckman, so he has potential, that hes a basketballer should also mean that he has some athletic ability. Lets hope it works out but seriously ... this type of recruiting shouldnt and must not become the norm. Its bordering on dead set amateurism.
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204cm 106kg 18 year old. I will take that any day of the week. We need a monster and this kid could be it. If he has half the heart of his cousin, he will be a super recruit.
Sometimes you have to ignore the negatives and judge a press release on its merits.
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Haters gotta hate.
Get a load of ol' 65 trying to be "down with the kids"...
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Lets hope it works out but seriously ... this type of recruiting shouldnt and must not become the norm. Its bordering on dead set amateurism.
I don't see it this way if it's only a one-off thing Ramps. If they started to do it a few times though........................
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Haters gotta hate.
Get a load of ol' 65 trying to be "down with the kids"...
WTF?
The expression came back into vogue in 2000 in a rap song by who knows or cares.
But it has been around for a lot longer than that.
Typical Gen Y thinks they have invented everything.
:cheers
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I'm Gen X, not Gen Y, you dopey hippie Baby Boomer....
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Haters gotta hate.
Get a load of ol' 65 trying to be "down with the kids"...
WTF?
The expression came back into vogue in 2000 in a rap song by who knows or cares.
But it has been around for a lot longer than that.
Typical Gen Y thinks they have invented everything.
:cheers
Waiters gonna wait
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'baters gonna 'bate
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Keep drinkin it boys >>
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Get us a couple of Serbian midfielders and look out !!!
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Should get Goldstein and start Houli at the centre bounces, Judge can then post a series of memes implying the taps are being deliberately aimed at Bachar's head.
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I like the idea that we recruited him now so he can still play the rest of the year in the TAC and develop his game even before he officially comes to the club at the end of the year. Would be an amazing story of he succeeds after a few years. :pray
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Would be an amazing story if he succeeds at Richmond Football Club. :pray
fixed.
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Would be an amazing story if he succeeds at Richmond Football Club. :pray
fixed.
:lol
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Would prefer eight foot Sudanese bloke
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Lets hope it works out but seriously ... this type of recruiting shouldnt and must not become the norm. Its bordering on dead set amateurism.
I don't see it this way if it's only a one-off thing Ramps. If they started to do it a few times though........................
Aye Ramps
The international rookie draft is a bit hit and miss at the best of times in it
Rated slightly above reality TVshow related ddraft picks
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I believe in the opposite of ramps. The trend of th drafting of cousins of Ivan Maric is excellent and should continue. So much so I insist richmond replicate chilten fc where at least half the is named lappin. Or in this case Maric.
Maric rance Maric
Maric Maric Morris
Etc
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this kid goes alright just quietly :shh
On what basis do you make this claim?
He has never been so much as registered at a footy club. Has never played in a game.
I have no problem with this stab in the dark, but no need to talk complete rubbish at this stage.
He was an underage basket ball state rep :shh
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this kid goes alright just quietly :shh
On what basis do you make this claim?
He has never been so much as registered at a footy club. Has never played in a game.
I have no problem with this stab in the dark, but no need to talk complete rubbish at this stage.
He was an underage basket ball state rep :shh
Which says exactly what about his football ability?
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this kid goes alright just quietly :shh
On what basis do you make this claim?
He has never been so much as registered at a footy club. Has never played in a game.
I have no problem with this stab in the dark, but no need to talk complete rubbish at this stage.
He was an underage basket ball state rep :shh
Which says exactly what about his football ability?
Unknown thTs why they've rookied him, he has the attributes of a rucking machine
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he has the attributes of a rucking machine
And the mobility of a washing machine ;D
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i know i come across negative all the time. in fact lately i am , i question if i should even be posting on our sites im tht dismayed in the direction the club has taken.
thing is i really have to question this.
an 18 yr old whos never played the game. yet we could ignore youngsters like darcy cameron. we can give a rookie spot to one of our players cousins a kid who hasnt played the game yet we can ignore, and not even rookie young ruckmen who have come thru elite systems and who show plenty ffs cameron for instance was touted as the best young ruckman going around last yr.
look i can live with giving ivans cousin a go he may have some potential. but at the same time i sure as hell hope we can target and rookie list a young FOOTBALLER like darcy cameron at the same time.
i can see it now, the recruiters and list manager sitting around the table and they go, we dont have to look at any other ruckmen we have the 18 yo basketballer whos ivans cousin hes bound to make it.
C'mon claw, aren't you the same bloke that advocated we mortgage the jack dyer stand to trade in Tom Lee, get a grip fella , this kid goes alright just quietly :shh
yeah i wanted to sell the farm and rookie list him before another club saw fit to trade down piock 12 to pick 25 to get him.
you want play silly buggers bo, so be it. im happy to play along. but dont whine like a baby when you get butt hurt.
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How many category B rookies can we have and how many years can they stay rookied? Anybody know?
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Is cat B rookie the new Kev Sheedy project player who plays 100 games before playing a senior game?
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How many category B rookies can we have and how many years can they stay rookied? Anybody know?
3 years. He's signed a 3 rookie b contract
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this kid goes alright just quietly :shh
Is this the most ridiculous statement ever made on the internet? :shh
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this kid goes alright just quietly :shh
Is this the most ridiculous statement ever made on the internet? :shh
Close ...
If you combine it with the fact he is an "elite" basketballer you have the jackpot.
The dude might be really good at basketball. But he is 9 foot tall and played for the ACT. Tipping #1 that he is the biggest guy in the ACT and #2 that there is 17 people at the ACT basketball tryouts.
I just kinda thought elite was the NBA or Europe's of this world. I'd be hard pressed conceding that the NBL is anywhere near elite.
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I've just sent the RFC a pic of my nan. She reckons she wants to play AFL next year. Now I realise she's 72 years old and has never played footy before but she's built like a brick sh*thouse and when she the kicks her dog's arse it goes flying out the door so she's definitely got a good hoof on her. She's also a gun bingo player and it's well documented that they always adapt well to AFL.
Pretty sure the tiges will be impressed and rookie list her for next year. Keep your eye out folks. We might've found one.
Hahaha
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Lets try again - there is a lot of potential upside to this recruitment and no downside.
If he's a dude then we have lost absolutely nothing.
This is a good news story not another opportunity to take a pot shot
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Lets try again - there is a lot of potential upside to this recruitment and no downside.
If he's a dude then we have lost absolutely nothing.
This is a good news story not another opportunity to take a pot shot
Agree
But unfortunately, like it or not, agree with it or not, the Club by their actions this season have created the angst/anger that is directed at everything they do.
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Lets try again - there is a lot of potential upside to this recruitment and no downside.
If he's a dude then we have lost absolutely nothing.
This is a good news story not another opportunity to take a pot shot
Agree
But unfortunately, like it or not, agree with it or not, the Club by their actions this season have created the angst/anger that is directed at everything they do.
I find that sad. It would be like someone always applauding the club for ever thing they do because they had years of success.
People need to take a breath and judge each action based on its merit rather than paint everything with the same brush.
Its all about persepective - I enjoyed last weeks win but all others can say is why didn't we do that earlier in the season! Move on! If you spend your whole time focusing on ever negative then why even follow the club?! It's obviously causing you more pain than happiness so step away. If all you can do is highlight the perceived failures, losses or flaws in the club then its time you need to evaluate if its all worth it.
No one is ever going to be 100% happy with the club but if you see something to celebrate, even if it is based on potential or hope, commend it. There hasn't been much joy emulating from Richmond this year so something like this where we have nothing to lose but plenty to gain - I say be happy! ;D
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Well said Stripes
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They look like tradesmen , tilers or painters perhaps
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Lets try again - there is a lot of potential upside to this recruitment and no downside.
If he's a dude then we have lost absolutely nothing.
This is a good news story not another opportunity to take a pot shot
Agree
But unfortunately, like it or not, agree with it or not, the Club by their actions this season have created the angst/anger that is directed at everything they do.
I find that sad. It would be like someone always applauding the club for ever thing they do because they had years of success.
People need to take a breath and judge each action based on its merit rather than paint everything with the same brush.
Its all about persepective - I enjoyed last weeks win but all others can say is why didn't we do that earlier in the season! Move on! If you spend your whole time focusing on ever negative then why even follow the club?! It's obviously causing you more pain than happiness so step away. If all you can do is highlight the perceived failures, losses or flaws in the club then its time you need to evaluate if its all worth it.
No one is ever going to be 100% happy with the club but if you see something to celebrate, even if it is based on potential or hope, commend it. There hasn't been much joy emulating from Richmond this year so something like this where we have nothing to lose but plenty to gain - I say be happy! ;D
Good post Stripes :cheers
In and of itself - recruiting from a photo is absurd, please someone at the club tell me they did some basic testing to understand his capability to adapt to AFL before signing him up. Not that hard surely.
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I think we should give the boy a chance. Hes a fantastic size. He is also a cro so he should have some ingrained mongrel in him which all ruckmen need.
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I have no problem with doing it.
Free throw at the stumps list and cap wise.
IMO it's a proactive move and I hope it works out.
I was more pointing out the BS that was posted.
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Lets try again - there is a lot of potential upside to this recruitment and no downside.
If he's a dude then we have lost absolutely nothing.
This is a good news story not another opportunity to take a pot shot
Agree
But unfortunately, like it or not, agree with it or not, the Club by their actions this season have created the angst/anger that is directed at everything they do.
Yep and theirs a word floating around that address that phenomenon, it's called Tigeritis™®©. Where supporters get unhappy and blame Richmond for absolutely anything they can
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Lets try again - there is a lot of potential upside to this recruitment and no downside.
If he's a dude then we have lost absolutely nothing.
This is a good news story not another opportunity to take a pot shot
Agree
But unfortunately, like it or not, agree with it or not, the Club by their actions this season have created the angst/anger that is directed at everything they do.
Yep and theirs a word floating around that address that phenomenon, it's called Tigeritis™®©. Where supporters get unhappy and blame Richmond for absolutely anything they can
they deserve everything they cop. 34 years of ongoing failure. they should just cop it on the chin and try and improve their own performances. When they start to get some success the supporters will get off their backs.
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..................No one is ever going to be 100% happy with the club ..................
??????? Not even after a premiership win ??????
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..................No one is ever going to be 100% happy with the club ..................
??????? Not even after a premiership win ??????
There will still be players who people under rate, coaching decision that are questioned, recruiting decisions queried, progress argued and development debated. That's fine but hopefully people would spend a greater percentage of time enjoying the moment and smelling the roses after bringing home a flag.
We'll find out soon anyway :whistle
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This ol darksider isn't perturbed in regards to this situation.
Could b nothing - could be ok.
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If we wanted to nab a giant lump of wood I'd have thought Ricky Lounders boy would just about be ready
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Soldo solid in football debut
richmondfc.com.au
July 31, 2014
Richmond’s rookie-in-waiting, Ivan Soldo, made a solid start to his Australian Football career last weekend.
The cousin of the Tigers’ No. 1 ruckman, Ivan Maric, who was signed by Richmond as a three-year, non-registered Category B rookie last week, lined up for TAC Cup team the Northern Knights in their clash with Gippsland Power at Morwell.
Soldo, a former state basketballer, played only the first half of the match, but acquitted himself admirably.
The 204cm, 106kg, 18-year-old finished with one kicks, two handballs, one mark and plenty of hit-outs in his ruck role.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-31/soldo-solid-in-football-debut
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Soldo solid in football debut
richmondfc.com.au
July 31, 2014
The 204cm, 106kg, 18-year-old finished with one kicks, two handballs, one mark and plenty of hit-outs in his ruck role.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-31/soldo-solid-in-football-debut
Excellent use of grammar there RFC.com.au :thumbsup
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Coming along very nicely Ty, another ace from the bottom of the pack from that wily one fj.........again :clapping
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Stefan Martin, playing great footy for Brissy, didn't start playing footy til he was 19.
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I did not realise it at the time but back in march I umpired a reserve practice match between Albury and Queenbean. The big ruckman from Queenbean was called Ivan and he carved up in the ruck and was very good around the ground. I found it strange to begin with as the onballers were giving him instructions on where to go and where to positions himself. It was a hot day, about 32 degrees so they rested him in the fourth quarter so he could help out the seniors. He played very well.
I only found out yesterday that it was Ivan Soldo.
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Soldo solid in football debut
richmondfc.com.au
July 31, 2014
The 204cm, 106kg, 18-year-old finished with one kicks, two handballs, one mark and plenty of hit-outs in his ruck role.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-31/soldo-solid-in-football-debut
Excellent use of grammar there RFC.com.au :thumbsup
I think he kicked it twice
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I did not realise it at the time but back in march I umpired a reserve practice match between Albury and Queenbean. The big ruckman from Queenbean was called Ivan and he carved up in the ruck and was very good around the ground. I found it strange to begin with as the onballers were giving him instructions on where to go and where to positions himself. It was a hot day, about 32 degrees so they rested him in the fourth quarter so he could help out the seniors. He played very well.
I only found out yesterday that it was Ivan Soldo.
That's promising then yandb. I hope he continues to develop and proves a lot around here terribly wrong :thumbsup
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I thought he played his first ever game only a few weeks ago?
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..................No one is ever going to be 100% happy with the club ..................
??????? Not even after a premiership win ??????
There will still be players who people under rate, coaching decision that are questioned, recruiting decisions queried, progress argued and development debated. That's fine but hopefully people would spend a greater percentage of time enjoying the moment and smelling the roses after bringing home a flag.
We'll find out soon anyway :whistle
mate every yr blokes play in gfs who are just plain lucky. when sides stop trying to improve they quickly end up at the arse end of the ladder. the mantra at any club should be you can always do better.
we clearly have no idea of this concept as a club.
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..................No one is ever going to be 100% happy with the club ..................
??????? Not even after a premiership win ??????
There will still be players who people under rate, coaching decision that are questioned, recruiting decisions queried, progress argued and development debated. That's fine but hopefully people would spend a greater percentage of time enjoying the moment and smelling the roses after bringing home a flag.
We'll find out soon anyway :whistle
mate every yr blokes play in gfs who are just plain lucky. when sides stop trying to improve they quickly end up at the arse end of the ladder. the mantra at any club should be you can always do better.
we clearly have no idea of this concept as a club.
As a supporter you need to sit back and enjoy the ride sometimes. Focus on the wins, the moments, the strengths and the successes sometimes. Even team administration and coaches can afford to enjoy a GF before moving on to planning for the next year. I worry about those who continually focus on the deficiencies of a list and never the strengths. If the club did that it will never improve, it would be in a perpetual rebuild and never allow players time to develop their potential.
Even more than complacency, impatience is a clubs greatest enemy. It never allows players time to develop, structures to cement, teams to evolve.
Anyway I guess I just see things differently from most around here :(
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Soldo at preseason training today ...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/13261_10152847803283276_5795888872283824_n.jpg?oh=94341055b0a2a4c53b8f1f538505a2d0&oe=54DEC5B7&__gda__=1423836782_089735daa689cd26d270aa5db69acf7d)
https://www.facebook.com/Richmond.FC/photos/a.10152847801018276.1073741857.298686323275/10152847803283276/?type=3&theater
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Love to see some vision of him marking and kicking???
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Age? Certainly looks the part!!
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Looks like he's about to shoot a 3 pointer!
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Soldo at preseason training today ...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/13261_10152847803283276_5795888872283824_n.jpg?oh=94341055b0a2a4c53b8f1f538505a2d0&oe=54DEC5B7&__gda__=1423836782_089735daa689cd26d270aa5db69acf7d)
https://www.facebook.com/Richmond.FC/photos/a.10152847801018276.1073741857.298686323275/10152847803283276/?type=3&theater
Gee , textbook kicking action, looks like our development coaches have had a positive impact already :shh
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Can he kick well? Anybody know?
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Is that a regular sized football?
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Can he kick well? Anybody know?
Nobody knows. Think he has only ever handball it in the TAC game he played
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Is that a regular sized football?
Well spotted Grace,
If thats a real footy then his hands are massive.
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Whoa, it's like a grape in his hands :clapping
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19 years old!!!!!!'
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Looks like Andre the Giant holding a beer can.
(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr04/19/14/enhanced-5220-1395252730-14.jpg)
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Whoa, it's like a grape in his hands :clapping
Hands like an oversized steel trap?
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This is from two weeks ago when Soldo played for the Northern Knights ...
#50 Ivan Soldo (RFC listed player)
Cousin of Ivan Maric. Ivan is a big boy, who is project player for Richmond. Thought his hit out work was very impressive, would have won roughly 75% of his hitouts. Plenty to advantage. Very competitive nature. Basketball background. His timing of his marking has gotten better, obviously after training with Richmond! Took 4 marks for the game, a couple in defence. Needs to continue to learn his positioning, so he can impact the game outside of the ruck. Had 5 disposals for the game, all effective.
http://madmondayshow.com/2015/03/24/rd-1-northern-knights-scouting-notes/
He had 2 kicks, 3 handballs, 4 marks & 21 hitouts.
Game Stats: http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?action=MATCH&fixture=124365537&c=1-3020-111703-339771-20320272&pool=0 (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?action=MATCH&fixture=124365537&c=1-3020-111703-339771-20320272&pool=0)
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Talk about having the ball on a string!!
Like whoah, crouching tiger hidden Croat!
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Jokes aside that isn't too bad a return considering it's his 3rd game of AFL or something like that
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Whoa :shh
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Like stuffing whoa man :shh
Give this guy a cape coz he's my hero
Whoa :shh
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Talk about having the ball on a string!!
Like whoah, crouching tiger hidden Croat!
:lol
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Jebiga Maric.
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Ivan Soldo highlights from Richmond's intra-club match.
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-02-17/intraclub-soldo
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Young Soldo is coming along very nicely and its great to have a young developing ruck learning his trade along side a veteran like Maric. His tap work, contested marking and scoring shots are very impressing so when he builds his fitness he could be a very good senior ruck moving forward. Long way to go but he is self driven to make it and i think he will :clapping
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Who was the poster who wanted him delisted last year and the year before? Didn't think he had any improvement in him
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me - dont reckon he'll make it
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Is already a better Ruckman than Vickery and has never played a game.
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I was very skeptical but he's been super impressive at vfl level.
Ive changed my mind on this guy. His mentor and older cousin on the other hand is already finished.
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me - dont reckon he'll make it
Me either but I'm happy to be wrong. He was probably the worst player I have seen at that level but credit to him if he is learning.
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All our rucks are in front of Hampson apart from Grigg
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All our rucks are in front of Hampson apart from Grigg
Blasphemy. Holy hell
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Grigg pulled a move in the ruck that Hampson couldn't dream of. Maybe he still has the edge but Grigg sure isn't far behind :shh
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me - dont reckon he'll make it
Me either but I'm happy to be wrong. He was probably the worst player I have seen at that level but credit to him if he is learning.
I am just curious Mr Note, have you written Soldo off already?
If so you are aware he hasnt played one senior game yet.
It just seems a bit contradictory having a go at others for writing Elton off after seven matches.
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Ivan Soldo: Richmond ruckman’s rise continues in debut season
Chris Cavanagh,
Herald Sun
12 August 2017
THE first Ivan to ever pull on the boots for Richmond — Ivan Maric — became a cult hero among Tigers fans and a force of the competition after crossing from Adelaide in 2011.
The club’s second Ivan — Maric’s Croatian cousin, Ivan Soldo — may not have the mullet but hopes he can live up to the name and one day reach the same lofty heights.
While just six games into his AFL career, Soldo’s development has been one of many positives for Damien Hardwick’s side this season as it builds towards September.
An under-18 state basketballer for the ACT who also dabbled in rugby, soccer and tennis growing up, Soldo remarkably played his first game of football for TAC Cup club Northern Knights just three years ago in July 2014.
The 204cm, 106kg giant had just three disposals and gave away four free kicks that day but his size and athletic ability meant Richmond was willing to persist with the Category B rookie.
With Toby Nankervis suspended, and Maric and Shaun Hampson injured, Soldo received an unexpected call-up against the Western Bulldogs in Round 7 this season.
He had a record 42 hit-outs on debut as a lone hand in the ruck but has since played alongside Nankervis in a two-pronged ruck attack.
“Toby can play forward and ruck so he’s a weapon in that regard,” Soldo said, before hosting a training run with Croatia’s International Cup team at Punt Rd.
“Every game is a learning experience, whether it be a new backman I’m playing on or a new ruckman I’m playing on. It’s always a challenge but it’s good to get different players each week and try and work out their strengths and what works out well for me — and hopefully develop my game over the next couple of years.”
Maric, who retires at season’s end, has worked closely with his cousin across his three years at the club and has been a key in Soldo’s development.
“We have a family connection that’s always going to be there,” Soldo said.
“He’s hard on me but also very supportive. He doesn’t give me special treatment, he just treats me exactly the same way he does everyone else around the club which is the kind of character he is.”
A confident man himself, Soldo said he felt like a “gladiator” entering the Colosseum when he ran out on to Etihad Stadium to make his debut in May.
Long term, he does not want to be just any old gladiator though but rather the ultimate gladiator.
“I’m always trying to improve but it’s going to take time,” Soldo said.
“I wish I could be the best ruckman in the competition today but I’m enjoying the process of getting better.
“I love training and getting better so all the extra sessions I can get, all the gym sessions I can get, I always grab with two hands and try and be the best I can.
“There’s a lot of people proud of me and what I’ve done. I should be proud of myself but I always just want to get better.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-ruckman-ivan-soldo-has-set-his-sights-on-becoming-the-ultimate-gladiator-of-the-afl/news-story/60461ee7756fc2d0be6113ea7a690a14
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ... Jacob Townsend hadn't played a senior game in 2017 until being selected out of nowhere in round 22, and then staying in and playing a key role in a premiership ...
THEN ... Ivan Soldo is better placed in 2018. Gets his first chance for the year a week earlier.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-10/sliding-doors-round-21
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Big improver this season.Better around the ground and can take a mark and kick a goal.
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Won't make it. Dud.
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If you cant kick you cant play
Soldo
Moore
How many shots would these blokes nail 35 out directly in
Front?
Thats why Grigg plays in the ruck
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Bit harsh since he took up the sport age 19 and ruckman always take time.Plenty of upside.
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He certainly fills a void against lowly clubs like the suns but I don’t think today has been a great day for him
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Hasn't been to bad for his first game this year.
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I thought he was terrible. uncompetitive no impact on the game. We need to find a 2nd ruck in the off season.
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I thought he was terrible. uncompetitive no impact on the game. We need to find a 2nd ruck in the off season.
CCJ is developing very nicely. Still probably 12 months away from playing any senior footy though. Chol is another that is showing a bit as a second ruck
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Seems more intent on bodywork with his opponent rather than simply doing what he is there to do and that is to tap the ball. Half his jumps are completely miss timed which essentially gives the opposition ruckman an uncontested possession.
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Won't make it. Dud.
:shh
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Did his job for me.Expecting to much for player in his position with little experience.
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Soldo steps up
In his first senior game of the season, ruckman Ivan Soldo showed he is more than handy as a back-up should Toby Nankervis ever face a long stint on the sideline. Up against Jarrod Witts, who has been a solid performer for the Suns this season particularly at Metricon, Soldo acquitted himself well to finish with 34 hit-outs and four clearances.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-11/five-talking-points-gold-coast-v-richmond
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Ruck coach Ivan Maric provides an insight into the development of his young cousin and emerging Tiger big man, Ivan Soldo:
His different pathway to Tigerland
“He played a lot of basketball growing up . . . I sent a photo to one of the (Richmond) recruiters of him standing next to me and I said, “Take a look at my 16-year-old cousin”. He was a monster of a kid back then – 120-something kilos and 6ft 8in.”
Focus areas for him
“He’s really unique with his fitness and his strength . . . I haven’t come across anyone at his age (22) that’s got as much strength as he does. And he’s also really, really fit. So we don’t need to work on that. It’s more the football stuff – being really good in marking contests, his ruckwork, handballing, and being clean below his knees – having an impact on the game in those areas. He’s really improved a lot, but he believes, and so do I, that he’s capable of a lot more.”
His impressive 2018 form at VFL level
“He’s been really dominant in the ruck, which is a great starting point for him. But as you’ve seen with guys like (Collingwood’s) Brodie Grundy and (Melbourne’s) Max Gawn, you really need to complement your ruckwork with more than just hit-outs.”
Averaging 35 hit-outs per game this season
“The numbers for me aren’t that important. I just want to see the level of competitiveness and consistency with that . . . He’s the strongest in the gym in a lot of areas and super fit. So I expect him to get a lot of hit-outs.”
The key to stepping up from VFL to AFL level
“I think it’s making the most of every opportunity, whether it’s a ground ball or a marking contest. And that’s what Toby Nankervis has been really good at. He very rarely gets beaten and he takes every ground ball really cleanly, never coughs it up, and he gives it off to the midfielders . . .”
His AFL game against Gold Coast last Saturday
“I think he just did what he had to do for the team and didn’t try to over-complicate anything. That showed a lot of maturity. His ruckwork was really good against a guy that’s had a great season in (Jarrod) Witts. And his involvement at ground level was pretty good on the day. Also his positioning behind the play and getting involved in our team defence. I was really happy with that.”
Couple of valuable goal assists v the Suns
“It was a good little kick off the ground to Jack (Riewoldt) . . . and a little handball off to Josh Caddy to kick a goal. That was fantastic. I think Ivan wants to be that team player. He wants to give off the goals . . . He’s more focused on the team scoring goals than himself."
Next step for him
“I think there’s some really good opportunity for him to take marks in defensive-50 . . . really work back hard and have an impact in the air. I was going through his game with him today and there were some opportunities where he was just five metres short. But the great thing is he’s working hard back in deep 50 and trying to help the defence out. If you start doing that, taking marks and complementing it with the ruckwork, which he was pretty good at on the day, and some of those ground ball and second efforts, it’s a pretty good game."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-08-15/coaches-corner-ivan-soldo
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Forgot to post this earlier today but Caro on 3aw mentioned that Soldo has been re-signed. She didn't say for how long though.
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Why? He's stuffing useless....
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Why? He's stuffing useless....
Because if nank goes down we literally don’t have another ruckman besides soldo.
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We could easily find an upgrade on Soldo in the state leagues...proibaby two.... :shh
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If that’s the case I’m all for it. He was horrible in loss to Essendon. If Chol kept rucking the last 5 mins think we would have snuck it.
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Make or break: Richmond's Ivan Soldo eyes breakout year
Caden Helmers
Canberra Times
20 March 2019
No longer can Ivan Soldo rest on his laurels as a rookie learning the ropes. This is make or break.
Off-contract with just eight senior games to his name, the Richmond Tigers prospect says it is time to step up and become a bona fide AFL player as the club resumes the role of the hunter.
Soldo is determined to force his way into Richmond's best 22 behind chief ruckman Toby Nankervis with new rules encouraging clubs to play two genuine rucks.
The 22-year-old's lack of a second position could count against him early but 204cm Soldo is confident he has what it takes to become a more versatile player in his bid to earn a contract extension.
"For me, I’ve been improving in all areas, but it’s probably time for me now to step up," Soldo said.
"It’s been four years, this is my fifth season now. I’ve got to start making use of what’s here now. At the start you’re just getting used to it all, and every year there is a couple of guys they play young, but with me being 22 now, the coaches want to see more from me. The pressure might be on.
"Patience is the key. The rule changes open the doors for that second ruck role again, but it’s up to the coaches to see what they want to do.
"There is a lot more space in the middle so there will be more emphasis on having a good ruckman, and not just having a short ruckman, in that centre bounce. It’s such an important part of the game now, with stoppages and clearances.
"Playing pre-season gives me confidence that I’m in that 26, but obviously you want to be in that 22. I would love to play more with the AFL starting team, so those opportunities in pre-season, you’ve got to take them and earn the trust of your teammates.
"I need to trust them and they can trust me, knowing that I can be that person and be that player they want."
Soldo's sheer determination to prove himself is perhaps a little different to where he was a year ago, when he didn't want to heap pressure on himself or whip himself for not playing a certain number of games.
The former ACT basketballer's mentality is reverberating around Punt Road after the Tigers bowed out in a shock preliminary final defeat at the hands of Collingwood last year.
Richmond were favourites to defend their title, so dominant were they that no club could get close to them - until the Magpies caused a major boilover and forced the Tigers to watch the grand final from afar.
"The coaches always try to motivate us with that. The way we went out was now how we obviously expected or wanted," Soldo said.
"They always say it’s better to be the hunter than the hunted. The whole season going so well and ending with that game really burred a couple of boys up.
"The club is amazing, even win or loss, the connection is there. Everyone is enthusiastic. The club is in a great place for the future. Whether I play or not, I know the club is going to do well, but personally, I hope to be playing a lot more this year."
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/afl/make-or-break-richmond-s-ivan-soldo-eyes-breakout-year-20190318-p5158u.html
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ... there's a player who must seize an opportunity this weekend now that it has finally come ...
THEN ... it's Ivan Soldo. First game for the year, only eight in the bank, and facing Big Boy McEvoy. Good luck.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-17/sliding-doors-round-nine
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Crickets chirping Crickets chirping Crickets chirping from the Soldo haters.
Played well today and gave Dusty some great service.
Changed the dynamics of our center work.
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Did not look out of place at all in the ruck or around the ground.
Great stuff!
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Well above expectations today .
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Reckon he went alright from what I saw
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It's been a long time since I've seen a ruckman hit our mids like that. Played well. :clapping
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He's never going to be a high possession getter and was aided by McEvoy going off but Soldo did his job well winning the hitouts and giving our mids first use. He'll get a good run of games now in the seniors with Nank out for a while.
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Great to see us win some centre clearances for a change, although the Daws don’t have the best midfield going around.
Soldo did a good job. Just needs to get involved more around ground.
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:whistle
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Seemed to have a great connection with Dusty...... :shh
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It's been a long time since I've seen a ruckman hit our mids like that. Played well. :clapping
^^^^ This
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I thought Ivan MkII played really well today. His job was made easier when Big boy went down but I was impressed by his pure aggression, it was awesome to see! He hurt people & I loved it! :clapping
Next time, can he play on Sicily? :santa
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Sorry I was willing to give him a go for a few weeks
Thought he looked like a mongo
Was happy if they said cool let’s give chol
A shot straight away
Just chucked the replay on
Get back to yas
Like you all will be waiting :rollin
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Held his own today some good taps to advantage. Good effort today.
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Was awesome in the ruck. Belted around the ground by Ceglar but we know he's only a tap ruckman, however I was very happy with him. Well done Ivvy!
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It was great to get first use and he did his main job mainly against a second string opponent well...his secondary job, not so much....still needs to drastically improve as an actual footballer before the whips start really cracking.... :shh
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Loved his aggression too. Nearly ko'd that Hawthorn kid with the bump....
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35 hit outs.
17 to advantage.
Very impressive.
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Credit where credit is due.
He did well.
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Thought he was beating McEvoy in ruck contests before he got injured so can’t be using that excuse
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Suspended for a week but must challenge. Weak as pee Christian..........
Edit: updated thread title. OE.
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Here's the MRO summary:
Ivan Soldo, Richmond, has been charged with Striking James Worpel, Hawthorn during the second quarter of the Round Nine match between Richmond and Hawthorn, played at the MCG on Sunday May 19.
In summary he can accept a one-match sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct with Low Impact and High Contact. The incident was classified as a one-match sanction.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-18/match-review-statement-round-nine
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WTF????
Challenge that. What a discrace after the let off over the last few weeks.
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Here's the vision: https://www.afl.com.au/video/2019-05-20/watch-the-incident-see-why-key-tiger-was-banned
Christian classed it as "intentional contact" as it was off a stoppage.
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this is incredible our outs this week now.
CCJ to come in now-geez against that tall timber
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He looked like he was fending him off but accidentally hit him. That can easily be argued that it wasn't intentional IMHO.
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He looked like he was fending him off but accidentally hit him. That can easily be argued that it wasn't intentional IMHO.
Yes, looks like Worpel moved to block Soldo's path.
Appeal.
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No appeal - I wanna see CCJ play....Bellclangers is a spud anyway... :shh
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I can't believe the challenges 2019 keeps dishing up . This is an unbelievable development.
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What a disgrace. Free kick at best.
Cheats...
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Appeal, no way that’s worth a week. If Ablett gets off his then so does Soldo.
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Ablett can leap off his feat 2 weeks in a row with deliberate elbows and a 7 foot monster gets suspended for raising his arm at an incoming player...:lol
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oh it will stand, the old stuff RFC in the arse at any opportunity is back.
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No appeal - I wanna see CCJ play....Bellclangers is a spud anyway... :shh
CCJ isn’t ready as yet .
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No appeal - I wanna see CCJ play....Bellclangers is a spud anyway... :shh
CCJ isn’t ready as yet .
What about Chol? Took three marks compared to CCJ none.
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No appeal - I wanna see CCJ play....Bellclangers is a spud anyway... :shh
CCJ isn’t ready as yet .
What about Chol? Took three marks compared to CCJ none.
No marks is what you get from Soldo anyway....all the way with CCJ!! :shh
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Chol would be interesting but I don’t think he is ready either.
Soldo just can’t get a week for that. Michael Christian has totally lost the plot.
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No appeal - I wanna see CCJ play....Bellclangers is a spud anyway... :shh
CCJ isn’t ready as yet .
Is that your opinion? :cheers
I think Soldo will get off.
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If Soldo doesn't get off then whichever way we go with the rucks they'll be raw and inexperienced ..Chol or CCJ with Balta and even the Balta/Broad combo won't be any better in that regard...I say we continue to back in the kids like we have all year.... :shh
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A player enters his space to put a bump on him cause he thinks he needs to stand up ans Soldo reacts in a defensive right forearm :lol he deserved the wacky and we will contest this shocking decision. And yes dio he can mark :shh
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Mick Warner on Talking Footy said we're appealing.
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Pathetic the afl is make the rules as they go Ablett last week and Fyfe were alot worser.Incompetent and run like a bunch clowns.People saying we shouldn't appeal crazy this circus pick and choose there favourites and it's a lucky dip.
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He better get off!
Based on Ablett’s crap he should.
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Mick Warner on Talking Footy said we're appealing.
Yes but they were sctually asking him why he supports us.... :shh
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Richmond assistant coach Justin Leppitsch has likened the MRO to a “chook lotto” as the Tigers prepare to challenge the one-match ban handed down to big man Ivan Soldo.
Soldo elbowed Hawk James Worpel in the head in an off the ball hit that was similar to a pair of Gary Ablett hits and a Nat Fyfe strike in recent weeks.
Leppitsch said the club would appeal the sanction handed down by the MRO last night.
“The powerbrokers … were of the opinion (that) there is enough evidence, I guess recently, that guys who has done similar things have got off,” Leppitsch said on SEN Breakfast.
“At times I think we think we all feel like it’s a chook lotto at times. You just don’t know what you’re going to get.
“We’ll go appeal it, we think there is enough evidence there and we will see what they say.”
Ablett successfully appealed a one-match ban for a high hit on Bomber Dylan Shiel in Round 7 and then was not cited for a similar incident in Round 8 on North Melbourne’s Sam Wright. Fyfe was cleared of any wrongdoing after his hit on Richmond’s Tom Lynch the same week.
It is expected that the Tigers will argue that the act was careless.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-for-tuesday-may-20-2019/live-coverage/df68f6b06288f9d8defe005e7e9ac878#63288
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I hope they show the shot where Worpel drops his knees just before he gets hit trying to get a free..... :shh
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Surely he gets off!
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1 week stands. We were screwed
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Needed to change his name to Gary
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1 week stands. We were screwed
Unbe stuffing lievable.
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stuff me dead that is a bloody disgrace
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That’s a f!&kng joke. GA and NF get nothing,Mumford breaks some poor bastards ribs and gets nothing. System is a joke.
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And if I hear from the club,”We respect the decision...” i will vomit.
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And if I hear from the club,”We respect the decision...” i will vomit.
Going by the footage of them leaving the Tribunal and refusing to speak (even Balmey) reckon it's fair to say they ain't happy
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And if I hear from the club,”We respect the decision...” i will vomit.
Going by the footage of them leaving the Tribunal and refusing to speak (even Balmey) reckon it's fair to say they ain't happy
Yep, I seen that. GW on 360 backed the tribunal in as he would. Robbo didn’t.
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Genuinely think the decision was to protect Christian. Another overturned decision and you really then start to question the process which every Tigers supporter is now questioning regardless anyway.
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F?!king cheats..... :lol
It’s was a forearm meant for the chest that slipped a bit high- It wasn’t even very hard- very much like the Ablett ones.
All aren’t a great look but either they all get suspended or none.
This is the type of thing imo that turns people off the AFL.
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stuff em
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This is what kills my interest in the game poor management by the afl and rule changes week to week to suit clubs and players.They are the masters of cover ups the afl now starting to get up the ladder in plain bias.
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Sacrificial lamb... Only upheld a week due to them stuffing up Garry and Fyfe i reckon
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Just unbelievable....
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F?!king cheats..... :lol
It’s was a forearm meant for the chest that slipped a bit high- It wasn’t even very hard- very much like the Ablett ones.
All aren’t a great look but either they all get suspended or none.
This is the type of thing imo that turns people off the AFL.
It didn't even slip high. Worpel bent his knees just before impact to make it hit him high.
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And the goal post incident with this and we’re not even at the bye yet. And Gil Mclauchlan thinks he can export this sport in its current state
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I loathe Gerlong Whimpley....takes some doing to make Slobbo look fair and balanced...seriously where did this self-important, scrawny, sickly looking Mr. Burns Buzzard-faced, horse stuffing, weasely psuedo-intellectual little nerd come from and how does he suddenly have so much clout? >:(
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stuffing corrupt arseholes
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‘No consistency at all’: Tigers great stunned as Soldo brushes media
Ben Waterworth
FOX SPORTS
May 22, 2019
Richmond has been left stunned by the AFL Tribunal’s decision to uphold ruckman Ivan Soldo’s one-suspension, with a club legend saying punishments for similar incidents were now “impossible to predict”.
The Tigers on Tuesday night attempted to reduce Soldo’s one-game striking ban, handed to him by AFL Match Review Officer Michael Christian to a fine.
But after 14 minutes of deliberating, the three-man jury ruled it was intentional conduct and so Soldo will miss Saturday night’s Dreamtime At The ‘G clash against the Bombers.
Soldo, Richmond and his team brushed past the media without comment after the hearing. But Tigers football manager Neil Balme made the club’s displeasure clear, shaking his head immediately after the verdict.
The Tigers accepted Christian’s original gradings of high contact and low impact, but attempted to reduce the ‘intentional’ grading to ‘careless’.
Soldo testified he was only trying to shield himself when he put up a forearm up and caught Hawks midfielder James Worpel high, but AFL advocate Jeff Gleeson GC called it an “impulsive fit of frustration”.
The upholding of the suspension has frustrated Richmond after three separate results for four similar incidents.
Unlike Soldo, Geelong and Gary Ablett successfully argued their case at the tribunal last month, with Ablett escaping with a fine for his contact with Bomber Dylan Shiel in Round 7 after originally being handed a one-week ban with the same gradings as Soldo’s hit on Worpel.
A week later, Ablett and Fremantle superstar Nat Fyfe weren’t charged by the MRO for two more similar-looking incidents. Christian deemed that the force of their strikes wasn’t sufficient enough to warrant a reportable offence.
But Tigers legend Matthew Richardson said he was “genuinely surprised” by the tribunal’s call on Soldo, considering some “high profile precedent in the last few weeks”.
“No consistency at all and impossible to predict from week to week,” Richardson wrote on Twitter.
Genuinely surprised Soldo’s 1 week ban was upheld tonight. Considering some high profile precedent in the last few weeks. No consistency at all and impossible to predict from week to week.
— Matthew Richardson (@mattricho0) May 21, 2019
Richmond star Jack Riewoldt thought his teammate would be available to face Essendon.
“I just thought we had a good case, because there’s been some recent form on this,” Riewoldt told Fox Footy’s AFL 360.
“I don’t agree wholeheartedly with whether this one or the last two should’ve been suspensions — I don’t think there’s a real spot in the game for high elbows — but if there’s a stance that’s been set, there’s a stance that’s been set.”
Melbourne veteran and Fellow AFL 360 panellist Jordan Lewis agreed.
“What we’ve seen over the past couple of weeks has probably set a precedent with these sorts of acts,” Lewis said on Tuesday night.
“It doesn’t look good … purely from the eye test, you would think it’s a report. But by what we’ve seen over the last two or three weeks, we are a little bit surprised by that I suppose.”
Herald Sun chief football writer Mark Robinson said he was “staggered” by the tribunal’s call, but 360 co-host Gerard Whateley said the circumstances around Soldo’s hit were different to the others.
“You’re staggered by it? You can obstinately pretend that this is the same as Ablett and Fyfe — and I’ve heard people do that all day long — except this is different: One is stop play and one is in play,” Whateley said.
“That was never coming back any other way.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-ban-for-ivan-soldo-leaves-richmond-legend-matthew-richardson-stunned/news-story/5b7e6fbaffcd7d3936def922385c0ca3
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I agree with GW that it was OFF PLAY but the MRO has been carrying on all year that there was 'insufficient force' and 'no harm done' etc etc.
If they look at the incident without their goggles they can clearly see the force was negligible. There was an umpire right in front of it who didn't even give it 50m FFS.
CRIMINAL
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I agree with GW that it was OFF PLAY but the MRO has been carrying on all year that there was 'insufficient force' and 'no harm done' etc etc.
If they look at the incident without their goggles they can clearly see the force was negligible. There was an umpire right in front of it who didn't even give it 50m FFS.
CRIMINAL
So was the Mason Cox incident and he went off his line to collect Grimes and hit him much harder...... :shh :shh
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If Soldo got a week for an off the ball, "intentional", high & low impact contact to the head then so should Ablett for his punch to Miles' face off the ball. But no doubt Christensen will let him off for the 3rd week in a row after Gary Jnr told the media it was only worth a free kick ::).
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1 week, wanker. Anyone else gives someone a cut lunch all hell breaks loose, he does punch like a b!tch I spose
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So I guess Fyfe gets Brownlow #2?
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So I guess Fyfe gets Brownlow #2?
I’d say there’s a few ahead of him at this stage
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It's a shame he didn't get suspended for the season. What a stuffin dud.
One of the most insipid performances I've seen a Richmond ruckman play
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It's a shame he didn't get suspended for the season. What a stuffin dud.
One of the most insipid performances I've seen a Richmond ruckman play
Dumb as a box of hammers too. Not sure if he even knows the rules. Gives away stupid free kicks by just not letting go of the tackle when the ball has gone.
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I would be happy to never see that fool ever again
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Yep poor tonight. With his big frame the least he could have done was hit them as hard as he could!
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Slomo the Knockout King - Hamspud Mk.II - time for Big Mabs... :shh
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Slomo the Knockout King - Hamspud Mk.II - time for Big Mabs... :shh
Against Stanley, an athletic ruck would be good.... :shh
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:shh :shh
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I agree he was poor and that's being kind
But
They won't drop him, they've said they going to give him a run of games. Can't see that changing
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Not up to it. Chol is better athletically.
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I'm sure he's a nice guy.
His ruckwork is ok. He tries to get back and do the team thing....
But really, he's a big clumbsy oaf.
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Yep not up to it but best we've got. I think chol would be even worse
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Barring Hamspud coming out of retirement , I don't see how anyone could be worse.... :shh
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Why not get 10 games into CCJ?
We all know a 19 year old 200cm ruckman needs to put on muscle but there are skinner and smaller guys playing that go alright.
He just needs to compete and clunk a few marks forward.
Soldo is a waste of time.
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Sorry to introduce some facts into this pile on of Ivan but here goes.
Champion data
- Soldo had 28 hitouts. Goldstein had 28 hitouts.
- Soldo had 7 tackles. The most number of tackles by any Richmond player.
- Soldo had 2 marks. Goldstein had 1 mark.
- Soldo had 4 possessions. Goldstein had 11 possessions.
- RFC won the centre clearances 15 to 12 and lost the overall clearances 41 to 42.
Soldo has played about 10 games playing against a 250+ game veteran so while he was beaten on the night it was an honorable loss.
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People keep bringing up Chol
He was totally useless in the VFL on weekend
5 disposals and 2 of those from frees 😂😂😂
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Sorry to introduce some facts into this pile on of Ivan but here goes.
Champion data
- Soldo had 28 hitouts. Goldstein had 28 hitouts.
- Soldo had 7 tackles. The most number of tackles by any Richmond player.
- Soldo had 2 marks. Goldstein had 1 mark.
- Soldo had 4 possessions. Goldstein had 11 possessions.
- RFC won the centre clearances 15 to 12 and lost the overall clearances 41 to 42.
Soldo has played about 10 games playing against a 250+ game veteran so while he was beaten on the night it was an honorable loss.
He was actually ok
But those who aren’t at the ground can’t see that
My issue with him is his inability to block space in D50
Something Nank does extremely well
Ivan got lost in no mans land on Saturday night
There was plenty of finger pointing by Grimes and Astbury to him
He needs to improve his awareness of opponent when in D50
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People keep bringing up Chol
He was totally useless in the VFL on weekend
5 disposals and 2 of those from frees 😂😂😂
In fairness,
They were bringing him prior to the VFL game on the weekend. I'm guessing they were encouraged by his previous week, where he was BOG...:shh
But we're talking about 2 guys who will never make it so WGAF really
I'd ruck Broad before either of them. Probably get Grigga back even if he's in a wheelchair
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When was our last good tap ruckman?
Ottens?
We always seem to be undersized (Simmonds, Nank, Gale, Dear, Maric) in the ruck.
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Otto and Staff were good
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People keep bringing up Chol
He was totally useless in the VFL on weekend
5 disposals and 2 of those from frees 😂😂😂
Agree. Didn’t jump. Gave up easily in the contest when he thought he couldn’t win.
I lost count even on the amount of centre bounce contests he didn’t even try or jump to contest. Campbell absolutely slaughtered him.
I had some hopes for Chol and all those went out the window on Saturday as it was the laziest poorest example of a player just going through the motions I seen since Ty “Sideshow Bob” Vickery.
I haven’t seen much of the reserves and I haven’t seen Chol play that much either but what I witnessed Saturday was unacceptable. Maybe he was ill or he’s carrying an injury I don’t know but that was a lazy could not be arsed performance.
There’s no way he gets a game this week.
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Slomo was arse on Friday night and should be delisted at the end of the year - end of. :shh
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He was the least off our issues Friday night going again a season ruckman and facts back it up.
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CD stats...spare me....like reviewing War & Peace based on the Reader's Digest version... :shh
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Diocletian for a poster named after a Roman cavalry commander who became emperor you reflect non of his traits.
To be a Cavalry commander in the Roman empire he would have analytical skills and would have based his decisions on facts and data not emotion.
You form opinions and when facts are presented to debunk your opinions you attack the facts without giving any counter facts to base your opinion on.
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Diocletian for a poster named after a Roman cavalry commander who became emperor you reflect non of his traits.
To be a Cavalry commander in the Roman empire he would have analytical skills and would have based his decisions on facts and data not emotion.
You form opinions and when facts are presented to debunk your opinions you attack the facts without giving any counter facts to base your opinion on.
what facts? He was putrid.
I did hear that hit outs to advantage between the 2 was the main difference. I cant find that stat anywhere.
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Diocletian for a poster named after a Roman cavalry commander who became emperor you reflect non of his traits.
To be a Cavalry commander in the Roman empire he would have analytical skills and would have based his decisions on facts and data not emotion.
You form opinions and when facts are presented to debunk your opinions you attack the facts without giving any counter facts to base your opinion on.
Oh really...well let us examine your "facts" shall we?
Sorry to introduce some facts into this pile on of Ivan but here goes.
Champion data
- Soldo had 28 hitouts. Goldstein had 28 hitouts. How many to advantage?Hampsud used to win a lot of hit outs too. :shh
- Soldo had 7 tackles. The most number of tackles by any Richmond player. Mostly because was either second to the ball because he's so slow or jumped straight on an opponent at a ball up. :shh
- Soldo had 2 marks. Goldstein had 1 mark. 2 marks eh? Well wacko - were they contested? :shh
- Soldo had 4 possessions. Goldstein had 11 possessions. 'nuff said :shh
- RFC won the centre clearances 15 to 12 and lost the overall clearances 41 to 42.How many of those clearances were directly from his taps or because he gave our mids first use? :shh
:shh
what facts? He was putrid.
I did hear that hit outs to advantage between the 2 was the main difference. I cant find that stat anywhere.
:shh :shh
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No surprise Jackstar's also defending him....was Hamspud's biggest fan after WAT... :shh
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Soldo is our best option at the moment, pity Chol didn't
step up,played a good one the week before
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People keep bringing up Chol
He was totally useless in the VFL on weekend
5 disposals and 2 of those from frees 😂😂😂
Agree. Didn’t jump. Gave up easily in the contest when he thought he couldn’t win.
I lost count even on the amount of centre bounce contests he didn’t even try or jump to contest. Campbell absolutely slaughtered him.
I had some hopes for Chol and all those went out the window on Saturday as it was the laziest poorest example of a player just going through the motions I seen since Ty “Sideshow Bob” Vickery.
I haven’t seen much of the reserves and I haven’t seen Chol play that much either but what I witnessed Saturday was unacceptable. Maybe he was ill or he’s carrying an injury I don’t know but that was a lazy could not be arsed performance.
There’s no way he gets a game this week.
The VFLW game prior , our no 11 jumped and rucked better than Chol
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Two former great rucks of the Richmond Football Club, Shaun Grigg ;D and Ivan Maric, discuss the development of young ruckman, Ivan Soldo.
His 2019 development
“He's been working really hard on the track...One of the big things for him has been his marking, getting back to be a kick behind the play and taking a few marks. He’s also done some other good things like his tackling and second effort stuff, he works hard.”
His three 2019 AFL performances (averaging 32 hit-outs per game)
“He played on some good ruckmen so it was a good challenge for him and we definitely saw what he’s capable of. The coaches and ‘Dimma’ have got a bit more trust in him in the future, which is good.”
Read more at: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-06-11/coaches-corner-ivan-soldo
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The contested marking is something we need the most. We always have that with jack and nank. A good set of mits to relieve the pressure from D50 so we can transition to attack
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Been working on his marking? Not very hard from what I've seen. Not the future -drop & delist.:shh
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What about the knockouts
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Save them for GC & Witts... :shh
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BOG..... for St.Kilda.....provided silver service to their mids all day in a performance not seen since the glory days of Megan's Toy Boy...#allhailtheknockoutking... :clapping :bow :clapping
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Hard to disagree
His constant taps to St Kilda's advantage were numbing
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No upside vs Chol.
This guy is VFL standard/depth only.
Play Chol + Balta until Nank back, groom CCJ. Trade in Sean Darcy...
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The AFL agrees , rub him out for a week , but let’s all others get away with it,
I thought he did some good things, took a couple of marks, got the ball 10 times, got down and tackled
Was Our last great tap - Hammer or bob Heard
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Well Soldo can tap it down to a teammate.
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Seriously though, I thought his 3rd quarter yesterday was the best he's ever played. Did some good things around the ground including kicking a goal which is unusual for him at AFL level.
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Soldo was one of the reasons we won last night his ability to negate Grudy's usual dominance the the ruck was crucial.
Great to watch his development as a Richmond player
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Honestly surprises me sometimes with his physicality.
Will never be quick or agile but he tucked well and kicked the sitter he needed to. Good idea not to rush Nank back IMO.
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He started playing AFL pretty late so credit to him for how far he has come
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TAKE THAT NANK
Ivan Soldo may be keeping Toby Nankervis' spot warm but he certainly provided one of the highlights of the night with a freak goal early in the third quarter.
The big ruckman seized on a short boundary throw-in and stuck his left boot out to perfect execute a soccer-like cross which sailed through the middle of the goals.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1157607945921687552
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TAKE THAT NANK
Ivan Soldo may be keeping Toby Nankervis' spot warm but he certainly provided one of the highlights of the night with a freak goal early in the third quarter.
The big ruckman seized on a short boundary throw-in and stuck his left boot out to perfect execute a soccer-like cross which sailed through the middle of the goals.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1157607945921687552
Haha, Soldo has grown on me but surely nobody can credit him for that goal, give him 100 chances and he'd never kick it again! Haha
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He actually executed a very good volley later in the game, has a soccer background I believe so probably needs to be given more credit for the skill he showed.
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Pretty sure it's his cousin who is/was president of some local soccer club. Don't see too many 7 foot strikers wandering around, he'd be stuffing hopeless
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He actually executed a very good volley later in the game, has a soccer background I believe so probably needs to be given more credit for the skill he showed.
Incorrect Soldo's background is predominantly basketball, that is what he was playing before we took him as a category B rookie. Actually his younger brother is also a basketballer and was at the AIS under scholarship
Yes, cousin Magic is President of St Albans soccer club but Soldo never played
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He actually executed a very good volley later in the game, has a soccer background I believe so probably needs to be given more credit for the skill he showed.
Incorrect Soldo's background is predominantly basketball, that is what he was playing before we took him as a category B rookie. Actually his younger brother is also a basketballer and was at the AIS under scholarship
Yes, cousin Magic is President of St Albans soccer club but Soldo never played
Not a soccer background but most Croatians coming from the Western suburbs know their way around a soccerball. Would have been kicking one around with his mates since he was in nappies. you could see the control he had with both his volleys that he understands the round ball.
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Pretty sure it's his cousin who is/was president of some local soccer club. Don't see too many 7 foot strikers wandering around, he'd be stuffing hopeless
Peter Crouch says hello
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You've quoted the wrong part of the post and you should have mentioned Koller not Crouch :lol
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Diocletian is conspicuous by his absence on this thread.
Since Soldo has been putting in solid performances and showing he belongs at the senior level Diocletian has been a no show.
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Except for what I said only two days ago in another thread:
Nank & Slomo in the same side 🐌🐌 :shh
Try again zippy. :shh :shh
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At least we know Nank is more useful in the F50.
Soldo I have to say has been good at kicking his obligatory goals from 20m out when he draws a free or takes a random mark (most recent volley aside), but beyond that I wouldn't want him anywhere near the goal square compared to Nank or Chol.
Previously wasn't in favour of the Nank/Soldo combo, but Soldo really has come along some this year. I've changed my mind and wouldn't mind trying it vs Carlton.
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Except for what I said only two days ago in another thread:
Nank & Slomo in the same side 🐌🐌 :shh
Try again zippy. :shh :shh
Good to see you are still about Diode and have made an appearance on THIS thread.
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Soldo is still just a “fill in” IMO.
He has been competitive in the ruck since coming in but let’s be honest he isn’t a footballers hole.
The sooner Nank is back the better.
Nank and Chol is the way forward.
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Except for what I said only two days ago in another thread:
Nank & Slomo in the same side 🐌🐌 :shh
Try again zippy. :shh :shh
Good to see you are still about Diode and have made an appearance on THIS thread.
Slomo's still a slow, plodding dud regardless of what thread the fact is stated in... :shh
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Our best tap ruckman and best option to combat the monster rucks in the afl who always kill Nank and struggles with.
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...and yet Gawn still slaughtered him and was the only Melbourne player to receive multiple coaches votes.... :shh
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If Chol can get rid of his lay-down-sally routine late in games we wouldn’t be talking about Soldo at all unless as just a reserve ruckman.
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Keep Soldo and bring in Nank. Nank can play the Chol role up forward better then Mabs.
Nank is a gun, be great to have him back.
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Was fantastic today. I’m sure his detractors will still find something negative to point to.
Nank is still undoubtedly our no.1 ruck for me, but I’m now a lot less pessimistic over how we would go without him.
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Getting better and better. Keeps his spot
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Ordinary first quarter to be honest which gave the Eagles a couple of soft goals. However, improved markedly after that and clearly had the better of Hickey especially after half-time. 12 disposals, 6 clearances, 40 hitouts & a goal (and robbed of another) if a top return from Ivan.
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He was immense today. :clapping
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He is coming along nicely, just gotta watch where he is tapping it sometimes
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He was immense today. :clapping
Agreed.
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Yeah golf claps...until he costs us a final with his clumsy dopey crap... :shh
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And right on queue.......
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Ordinary first quarter to be honest which gave the Eagles a couple of soft goals. However, improved markedly after that and clearly had the better of Hickey especially after half-time. 12 disposals, 6 clearances, 40 hitouts & a goal (and robbed of another) if a top return from Ivan.
Spot on. We were killed in the ruck early, but great to see Soldo and Mabs stick to their guns and triumph in the end.
Got to keep it in perspective though. Hickey ain't fit to be Nicnats jock strap.
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right on......
:cheers
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right on......
:cheers
Still our best player :shh
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Which was your favourite WC goal he gave up? How about that awesome attempted spoil on Lynch? :shh :shh
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yeah clumsy around the ground but his ruck work is sooo much better than Nanks.
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Maybe - but people used to make similar arguments for Hamspud... I'd like to see his h/o to advantage percentages... :shh
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He was immense today. :clapping
Yrp
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You're clearly all drunk.... >:(
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You're clearly all drunk.... >:(
And you’re not?
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Maybe - but people used to make similar arguments for Hamspud... I'd like to see his h/o to advantage percentages... :shh
More to rucking than advantage percentage :lol
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Maybe - but people used to make similar arguments for Hamspud... I'd like to see his h/o to advantage percentages... :shh
I haven’t looked at the stats but it looked like our mids benefited from his ruck work, especially late in the game.
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He was WOG in the first quarter and was palming it down WC's throat. Was pretty decent after that, stood up later in the game.
Not best 22 though :shh
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yep, got better after the first but yeah was killing us with great delivery to WC 1st q
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Maybe - but people used to make similar arguments for Hamspud... I'd like to see his h/o to advantage percentages... :shh
More to rucking than advantage percentage :lol
Oh please run to the lab and enlighten us Kingy..... :shh
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When he tapped the ball into the front of the WC goals into one of their laps in instead of killing it for a point...I died a little bit...that cost us an important goal.
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-08-20/soldo-steps-up
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Would anyone trade this bloke to the Suns if possible.
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Not currently. Chol and CCJ still not ready, Nank struggling to get on the park.
At least this guy is fit and relatively capable. Has a strong case for being our best ruck, but is certainly our second best and most consistently available.
Wouldn't trade him until CCJ and Chol are a bit more ready, and then I'd be trading Nank anyway.
Long term I think we need to aim for CCJ 1st ruck and Chol 2nd tall/2nd ruck.
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I can't see him being dislodged from our No.1 ruckman now after the past two weeks against two challengers.
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Wait for the usual BS about how he did one or two things wrong.
Bloke gets better every stuffing week. Today looked like he was playing with real confidence and some physicality.
He's better than Nank and honestly Balta is better in the stuff than Chol. Need to find a way to play all of Soldo, Chol and Balta. Balta so versatile that it's doable!
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Just wait Diode will be here at some stage demanding his delisting.
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I see no reason to change now. Ivan is playing too well and Nank missed too much footy.
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I see no reason to change now. Ivan is playing too well and Nank missed too much footy.
Agreed
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Happy with Soldo
Needs to keep improving but it doing well
I prefer the Soldo/Chol combo as they better chemistry
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I’m already to bag him and say
Do you really want to see this bloke out there
Gf day
And then he turns around and does some good stuff
The umpires certainly don’t help him
He’s just one of those players that divides
But he is doing ok
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Thought he was great today
He stays in
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I see no reason to change now. Ivan is playing too well and Nank missed too much footy.
:snidegrin
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Just wait Diode will be here at some stage demanding his delisting.
:shh
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Can’t drop him
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Was very good, turned into a rover a few times and danced around blokes too.
Nank's body would wanna be close to being right or else he won't be back
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How cute, little Ivan finally passed a test with a stunning score of 51% where spelling your name correctly is worth 2% of the total and now his proud parents are taking him out to Maccas as a reward... :shh
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It is sad to see Diode is in the corner in a fetal position repeating to himself delist Soldo delist Soldo................
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It is sad to see Diode is in the corner in a fetal position repeating to himself delist Soldo delist Soldo................
hahaha
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Sad to see so many who clearly don't watch this spud closely., which shouldn't be that hard as he runs at about half the speed of every other player on the field - too bad the same couldn't be said for the Brisbane mids as they eagerly gobbled up his telegraphed hit outs..... :shh :shh
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Sad to see so many who clearly don't watch this spud closely., which shouldn't be that hard as he runs at about half the speed of every other player on the field - too bad the same couldn't be said for the Brisbane mids as they eagerly gobbled up his telegraphed hit outs..... :shh :shh
His telegraphed hitouts gave us first use in the first quarter which ultimately won us the game.... :shh
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Well let's just stick that drawing of a cat -or at least we think it's a cat- straight on the fridge! :clapping
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Well let's just stick that drawing of a cat -or at least we think it's a cat- straight on the fridge! :clapping
Are you sure it’s not Schrödinger’s cat.... :shh
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Well is often hard to tell whether Slomo is actually dead or alive... :shh :shh
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Am I the only one who thinks of Mitchell Starc everytime Soldo plays
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Am I the only one who thinks of Mitchell Starc everytime Soldo plays
Yes
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Snap Shot: Soldo has a good header for a ruckman
Peter Ryan
The Age
27 Aug 2019
Soldo was not a footballer when identified as a potential recruit after his cousin Ivan Maric showed a photo of him to a member of the Tigers' recruiting staff.
He grew up in Canberra playing basketball and dabbling in soccer. His Croatian heritage and the fact his cousin (who is also the Tigers' ruck coach) is heavily involved in the St Albans Saints Dinamo Soccer Club meant the round-ball code helped shape his sporting outlook.
On Sunday he again crossed codes mid-game when he attempted to head a boundary throw-in as he and Lions ruckman Stefan Martin struggled to win a hit-out at the MCG.
It's also worth noting that his soccer skills came in handy against Melbourne in round 20 when Soldo showed he was a natural-born striker as he kicked a boundary throw-in straight out of the air and through the goals off his left foot, as the throw-in fell slightly short and he managed to get the jump on the Demons' Braydon Preuss.
While Soldo is not quite Luka Modric yet, if he can help the Tigers to their second flag in three seasons he will be almost as popular in these parts as the Croatian soccer champion.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/snap-shot-soldo-has-a-good-header-for-a-ruckman-20190827-p52l1w.html
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Ivan Soldo has been rucking in Nankervis' absence this season, and is averaging 27 hitouts, 10 disposals (at 76 per cent efficiency) and three clearances from his 11 matches this year.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-28/star-tiger-may-get-limited-vfl-minutes-as-doubts-linger-ahead-of-finals)
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We’re going to have to get used to Soldo in the ruck because I doubt Nank will be ready in time...
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This year: Nank in the ruck = Dusty’s best football
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This year: Nank in the ruck = Dusty’s best football
Are you really going to try and say Dusty’s year this year is better than 2017?
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Resigned for 2 years.
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:facepalm
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Great to hear, good depth and he stays fit. Coming along well
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Great reward for continued improvement :clapping
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Soldo on SEN last night:
“You’re always learning every game but it’s more the excitement, it’s pretty surreal,” he said.
“You get confidence in every game.
“Nerves do kick up… but it’s more the excitement of doing something that I love.”
If the opportunity presents, the third-year Tiger is ready for the challenge of finals football.
“Finals footy is pretty contested. I think my fitness is one thing that I tried really hard in pre-season to get to the standard,” he said.
“Being a ruckman, you’re always at every contest…so that’s going to be key focus area for me.”
The basketball convert, who is the cousin of former Richmond ruckman Ivan Maric, recently signed on for a further two years at the Club.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-09-03/soldo-to-bring-budding-confidence-into-september
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Ivan Soldo relishing AFL finals chance with Richmond
Caden Helmers
Canberra Times
September 5, 2019
Few could blame Ivan Soldo if the eye of the Tiger was beginning to drift towards the final Saturday in September.
But the 23-year-old Richmond ruckman is refusing to take any of his maiden AFL finals campaign for granted.
Soldo doesn't want to fall into a cycle of regurgitating tired old cliches in a code dominated by them - but the looming return of premiership ruckman Toby Nankervis means he can do little else than worry about the job at hand.
Right now that is Richmond's qualifying final showdown with the Brisbane Lions at The Gabba on Saturday night.
There is little evidence to say he cannot rise to the task - he has done it this year when Richmond needed someone to fill the void in the middle during Nankervis' absence.
"It all just starts from VFL. You play games there to get ready for AFL, and with Toby out, the team needed someone who could do the job," Soldo said.
"It hasn't been easy at all, it has had its challenges. It has been a great experience, we've finished top three so the team is in great form heading into the finals.
"The job isn't done yet. Every week has been a new week for the team and myself. I don't really look at the end result at the moment, I'm looking at the next week.
"It is quite a cliche, but it has just been so constant, it's pretty exciting. We'll see over the next four weeks whether it has sunk in or not. We'll see what the end result is.
"Everyone is in pretty good spirits at the moment but there is a big job ahead."
Richmond are planning to take two ruckmen into the qualifying final against the resurgent Lions should Nankervis pass the Tigers' main training session with flying colours on Thursday.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick says incumbent ruckman Soldo's "terrific" form will see him hold onto his place for a maiden finals appearance after he earned a two-year contract extension in what the Canberra export dubbed a make or break year in his career.
Richmond have hit form at the back end of the season to reaffirm their premiership credentials - but the hype around Punt Road isn't stemming from the looming finals series.
"I don't know if you saw the VFL score, but it's been all about that. It was unbelievable, their comeback, it was pretty inspiring," Soldo said.
Nankervis has battled groin issues since round eight but put his hand up for an AFL recall after leading the club's reserves side to a stirring win after trailing by 40 points at the main break.
Now Soldo is desperate to link up with Nankervis for the seventh time in his career - and the first time since 2017.
"It's been a couple of years since Toby and I have played together. I'm pretty excited because he is a great player and he played a terrific game in the VFL," Soldo said.
"He's back to playing at almost 100 per cent capacity and he is a premiership ruckman, so he is a valuable asset to the team.
"I'm not too sure what the coaches will decide. We've obviously got Noah Balta, Mabiol Chol and Callum Coleman-Jones who have all rucked this year, and then there is Toby and myself.
"So there is five right there that are healthy enough to play, and it's all up to the coaches now. Whoever does play, I'm sure the coaches will have enough faith in those players."
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6365798/eye-of-the-tiger-on-the-lions/
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Soldo seizing his moment
Daniel Cherny
The Age
18 September 2019
Soldo was the archetypal project player when he signed with Richmond in mid-2014, having been connected to Tigers recruiters by his cousin, then-Richmond ruckman Ivan Maric, whose mum Stef is Slav’s sister.
As has been well-documented, Soldo had been a talented junior basketballer and also played soccer growing in Canberra, where his parents still live. He’d never played a game of footy.
Yet little over five years since signing with the Tigers as a Category B rookie, Soldo is holding down Richmond's No. 1 ruck spot, and is two wins away from becoming an AFL premiership player.
“It sounds like a cliche, but it just happened so quickly,” Soldo told The Age this week, reflecting on his journey.
Having made his debut in 2017, Soldo only became a senior regular in the back half of this season. But it doesn’t mean he’s been copping more attention around the streets of Melbourne.
“I always get noticed because I’m 6-foot-8. I’m used to people looking at me," he said.
“I don’t really take notice of who knows I’m a footy player.”
So what has been the hardest part about the transition to footy? Mastering the drop punt? Learning ruck craft?
“At the club we’ve had some ruckmen come through who have all helped me in some way. Shaun Hampson was here, Ivan Maric my cousin, Orren Stephenson, Ben Griffiths. They’ve all passed on a little bit of their knowledge.
“They were very supportive. For them to step outside themselves and help me, I’ll be forever grateful.”
The biggest challenge, Soldo found, was one of attitude.
“Probably the hardest thing might be just the lifestyle of being a professional player, a professional athlete," he said.
"It was always just something I like doing, getting outside playing sports. When it became a job, that’s the hardest thing everyone has to adapt to.
“You’re up early, you’re training hard. There’s no such thing as a sick day.
“That’s what the best AFL teams are like, they work hard and all pre-season it’s a bit of a grind.”
Occasionally Soldo questions the point of it all, before reality dawns.
“You’ve got to look back and think, ‘why am I doing this?’ You can walk away. If you don’t want to do it, you don’t have to do it. Nothing’s easy in life. Even my times playing Playstation FIFA, I hate it at times, but you still love it so you keep playing.”
The enormous Tiger is making his mark. He’s played 12 senior games this year, holding the fort while Toby Nankervis was out through injury, and then keeping his position when Nankervis returned for the finals.
Soldo has also provided an ingenious flourish. Unable to tap the ball at a boundary throw-in late in the season, he decided to use his head. Literally.
“I just make stuff up, I guess,” Soldo said of his creative moment.
“I think just instincts kick in. Against Brisbane at the MCG in round 23, it was going to hit me in the face. I felt my arms were tied up.
“I think we just laugh about it and move on. The old-school footy players don’t like it, but nowadays you’ve just got to improvise.”
While he is innovative in one respect, Soldo is also something of a throwback, having grown a moustache since mid-season. Nev has had a mo for as long as Ivan can remember, so Soldo jnr decided to make the most of his dad's genes.
Not that he thinks he’s fooling anyone with a tough-guy look.
“No, they soften up for me!," he laughs.
Noah Balta and Mabior Chol have both had extended stints in the AFL this year, with both playing hybrid forward/ruck roles. With Soldo in the middle, Nankervis is also spending more time than usual close to goal.
Soldo wouldn’t mind extending his repertoire, but thinks that coach Damien Hardwick is happy with the status quo.
“I think 'Dimma' just wants to leave me in the midfield group. I’d love to go forward, even just rest up forward. I’ll just keep playing my role.”
Given his ability to pick up new skills, you wouldn’t put it past Soldo to make it inside 50 down the track.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/soldo-seizing-his-mo-ment-20190918-p52sop.html
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Amazing how much Soldo has improved. Never thought he'd ever become our first ruck in QF & PF wins. Credit to him for all his efforts to improve so dramatically and get to this stage. From memory he only took up footy seriously at 15.
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He really has thrived since he got a good run of games.
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Hard to believe that soldo had more impact than nank. Soldo was huge. Both will have their work cut out for them if pies beat giants and Grundy is on
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Soldo was great. Hope the few remaining silly heads can open their eyes and see that now.
I wouldn't play Nank next week. He looked unfit, slow, and a liability going back with Rat into defense.
Would be keen to see if any of Balta or Chol put their hand up tomorrow
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Great performance :clapping
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Was huge! Nani needs to lift :shh
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Soldo was great. Hope the few remaining silly heads can open their eyes and see that now.
I wouldn't play Nank next week. He looked unfit, slow, and a liability going back with Rat into defense.
Would be keen to see if any of Balta or Chol put their hand up tomorrow
You are right and we may be wrong on this guy
He doesn't play tonight doubt we win
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Played well. Actually took marks for once and looked vaguely like a footballer. Still think playing him & Nankervis in the same side is tempting fate..but Nankervis is the one that I would drop now - was a liability last night. That's two shocking prelims from him in a row. :shh
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Ivan Soldo – 6
Had a solid game in the ruck with 23 hitouts to go with 10 disposals. Also took four marks and claimed a couple of crucial grabs.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/every-tiger-rated-from-the-preliminary-final
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Best ruckman on the ground , good game
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Look he played well but let's face it - Tom Derickx would've been the best ruckman on ground last night... :shh
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Will be super important against gws has to work him over Mumford.
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Look he played well but let's face it - Tom Derickx would've been the best ruckman on ground last night... :shh
Wrong...swallow your pride and admit the young man can actually play at the highest level. The constant bagging some of our players is very embarrassing...for you :shh
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He is the biggest surprise package for me. Really impressed me with how quickly he has improved in such a short period of time. Took some really important marks on the night.
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Look he played well but let's face it - Tom Derickx would've been the best ruckman on ground last night... :shh
You're the new claw. Just a troll too stubborn to admit when you've missed the mark or things have changed.
It ruins the discussion aspect of the forum and just fills it with garbage designed to trigger everyone.
I'd really appreciate it if you gave it a rest!
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Look he played well but let's face it - Tom Derickx would've been the best ruckman on ground last night... :shh
You're the new claw. Just a troll too stubborn to admit when you've missed the mark or things have changed.
It ruins the discussion aspect of the forum and just fills it with garbage designed to trigger everyone.
I'd really appreciate it if you gave it a rest!
:clapping
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Diode we all are aware of your hate for Soldo so why do keep visiting this thread, we know how you feel so for all concerned ban yourself from this thread.
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The mouth breathers are out in force today... :shh
Look he played well but let's face it - Tom Derickx would've been the best ruckman on ground last night... :shh
You're the new claw. Just a troll too stubborn to admit when you've missed the mark or things have changed.
It ruins the discussion aspect of the forum and just fills it with garbage designed to trigger everyone.
I'd really appreciate it if you gave it a rest!
Oh no are you triggered? Do you need a safe space? :shh :shh
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He's allowed to have his own opinion.
FWIW I think a Soldo and Nank duo suits us this week. Soldo is too tall for Mummy and if Mummy gets too physical we have
Nank who loves that sort of thing.... :shh
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Look he played well but let's face it - Tom Derickx would've been the best ruckman on ground last night... :shh
Wrong...swallow your pride and admit the young man can actually play at the highest level. The constant bagging some of our players is very embarrassing...for you :shh
Did I not say he played well, in two seperate posts? I realise you're not the brightest spark but surely even your comprehension skills aren't that poor.... :help
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He's allowed to have his own opinion.
FWIW I think a Soldo and Nank duo suits us this week. Soldo is too tall for Mummy and if Mummy gets too physical we have
Nank who loves that sort of thing.... :shh
If Soldo & Mumford both replicate their prelim efforts Soldo will go close to winning the Norm Smith by default..... :shh :shh
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Look he played well but let's face it - Tom Derickx would've been the best ruckman on ground last night... :shh
Wrong...swallow your pride and admit the young man can actually play at the highest level. The constant bagging some of our players is very embarrassing...for you :shh
Did I not say he played well, in two seperate posts? I realise you're not the brightest spark but surely even your comprehension skills aren't that poor.... :help
Please...maybe you're correct regards to the brightest spark comment as i'm always being constantly sucked in by your dribble and poor footy IQ comments. :shh
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Menadue
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Just get 50 AFL game into the 'due an he'll come good...so some time in 2023... :shh
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Ivvy's piece about his cousin.
Flying Soldo
AFLPA
By Ivan Maric
Sep 26, 2019
Richmond big man Ivan Soldo failed to make the Tigers’ VFL Grand Final side in 2017. Now the former category B rookie is set to play a key role in Richmond’s ruck setup in this year’s AFL Grand Final against the GWS Giants and his cousin and ruck coach Ivan Maric told AFLPlayers.com.au that he’s ready to take his opportunity.
Ivan was fit to play in the 2017 VFL Grand Final for Richmond, but he didn’t get picked.
I took his spot instead and I still carry guilt about it.
It was the final game of my career at the Tigers and looking back at it I should have faked an injury or something to allow my cousin to play.
It was really hard to have that conversation with him and try to keep his spirits up.
At the time that was really hard for him and it took him a while to overcome that setback.
But I think it’s a great lesson for a lot of people: if you try to be positive and focus on improving and building your game and investing in the team, things will work out for you.
Now Ivan is getting prepared for an AFL Grand Final against the GWS Giants and I couldn’t be happier and prouder of what he’s achieved.
It was not an easy road that’s for sure.
Coming from a soccer and basketball background, Ivan hardly played football when he was growing up.
He made the move down from Canberra when he was in his late teenage years and had never even played a game of footy up until 2014.
I had a hand in bringing him to the club, but when he joined Richmond in the 2015 Rookie Draft, it was pretty clear he had a lot of work to do to understand the basics of the game.
He had to brush up not only his football skills but different life skills as well, moving out of home and living with a host family presented its challenges.
Those experiences really helped him deal with the setbacks that have popped up along the journey.
To his credit, Ivan has worked hard on improving the fundamentals of his game.
He had to do all of this work without any guarantee of anything from Richmond. He lost a lot of weight and got much fitter.
He needed to understand the game better, but also learn how to kick properly over short distances and where to position his hands in marking contests.
Really basic stuff that a guy who grew up playing a different sport needed to focus on.
It’s not just because he’s tall that he’s playing. He deserves his spot, so I’m really happy for him.
The whole extended family have been such a good support for him and his parents, Mum Slavica and Dad Nevrenko were crucial for him off the field as well when he first moved down to Melbourne to live with a host family.
Nev has had a moustache for as long as I can remember, so I guess there’s no surprise that Ivan has followed suit with his own furry upper lip.
Being Croatian, we have a really large family and we both have plenty of cousins.
We probably won’t be able to get enough tickets to cover everyone, but most of the family will be there to support him on Saturday.
In my role as ruck coach, I want to make sure I give all of our ruckmen, Toby (Nankervis), Mabior (Chol) and Noah (Balta) the right opportunity to evolve and grow.
I try to keep the care consistent with all the players, so I don’t want to show favourtism to Ivan just because he’s family.
But I’ve really enjoyed seeing him happy and achieving what he has.
I’m super proud of him and can’t wait to see him play in the Grand Final on Saturday.
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/flying-soldo/
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Ivan Soldo – 6
Teamed nicely with Nankervis to help the Tigers get the better of the midfield battle. Dropped into the hole in front of Harry Himmelberg to take a timely second-quarter grab and then brought the house down with his goal from 45m right as the three-quarter time siren sounded.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-28/player-ratings-richmond
IVAN SOLDO 7
First Ivan Maric did it with a mullet and now another Ivan has done it with that mo. The aspiring cartoonist hasn’t even played 100 games of Australian rules – total – but penned himself into Richmond’s history with a really solid day. A cult hero.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/afl-grand-final-player-ratings-dustin-martin-and-bachar-houli-shine-toby-green-phil-davis-flop/news-story/3b13f40fe020027c0e71ae275f356ff2
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He is developing nicely starting to take marks now and not bad around the ground.
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Really happy with the big fella. Developing really well.
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I said about 3 years ago after watching him play in the twos down at Frankston that he was the worst footballer I had seen play at VFL level. He could not even kick..... but yesterday he was brilliant IMO.
The club and its development coaches have performed a miracle with Soldo.
Really happy for the fella.
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I said about 3 years ago after watching him play in the twos down at Frankston that he was the worst footballer I had seen play at VFL level. He could not even kick..... but yesterday he was brilliant IMO.
The club and its development coaches have performed a miracle with Soldo.
Really happy for the fella.
Don't forget his drive to improve. In his first year he told me his goal was to become our 1st ruck within 4 years, well he has achieved this and got a premiership along the way. Stunning performance :shh
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Genuinely our 1st ruck currently.
And there are so many giant rucks going around these days, most clubs seem to have blokes 202-210cm and 105-110kg. We really need Soldo given his extra size over Nank. He's developing sensationally well with some games and has been very good with those token shots on goal within 30m.
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Love how well he's getting back to take intercept marks. Will have to win most Improved at the BnF.
Perhaps he is the knockout king after all, props to that bloke who thought he was a gun all along....:shh
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Nank and him destroyed Mumford. Both Nank and him deserve alot of credit for the way they played.
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I said about 3 years ago after watching him play in the twos down at Frankston that he was the worst footballer I had seen play at VFL level. He could not even kick..... but yesterday he was brilliant IMO.
The club and its development coaches have performed a miracle with Soldo.
Really happy for the fella.
BT I umpired him in his first football match (a practice match between Queenbean and Albury seconds)
He played three quarters and I would have given him the three votes, he owned the ball in the air and beat seasoned ruckmen, best player that match. ( despite the midfielders having to instruct
him where to run to during the game).
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Will be playing at Dean Cox levels in two years.
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I am rapt that he is marking a lot better now and I never get nervous when he has a set shot.
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Happy birthday to Ivan Soldo who turns 24 today! 🐯🎂 #gotiges :birthday.
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My goodness I can't believe this giant is only 24 lmao
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Ivan 'Clumsy' Soldo
First the big ruckman cannoned into his teammate Jack Higgins and forced him to spoil a certain mark near goal early in the second half.
Then, minutes later, he swung an arm trying to spoil Ricky Henderson marking a ball and clipped him in the head, knocking him to ground. He gave away a 50m penalty and maybe a bit more. The tribunal guidelines, amended earlier this week, do talk specifically of the potential to cause serious injury from "forceful round arm swings that make head-high contact to a player in a marking contest".
But then the case for defence was the clumsy Higgins collision moments earlier by the big man.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hawks-rebound-and-defeat-richmond-20200618-p5542x.html)
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If you play one ruckman they have to be dean cox or Grundy like. Otherwise we have to go Nank and soldo or hell I’d go Nank and Chol
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Must have felt like Grundy today. Dominated the hitouts yet we didn't make the most of it.
All up (along with Chol) it was 32 hitouts to just 5 and 10+ hitouts to advantage to nil late in the game.
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Probably should play next week v the Big Yid but after that.... :shh
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The problem for me is that even when he has a free tap there doesn't seem to be any set plays. Surely they practice particular scenarios and players would know where the tap is going. On most occasions he just taps it straight into congestion meaning it's a 50/50 ball everytime.
Papley could have rucked against him today and they still would have had 50/50 chance of getting the ball back. Has to be coached on how to dominate a ruck contest, Chol and Soldo should have smashed it today but we didn't really see that much advantage to our mids. 32 to 5 hit outs but only won clearances by 4, pretty much tells the story.
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Even a straight out bash it forward sometimes would have helped but I think tap domination isn't worth much. It's the other side of rucking, bullocking and throwing their weight around that is useful. A few grabs etc and he seems to be ok at that side of the coin.
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Roar Feature: Ivan Soldo
By Konrad Marshall,
Richmond Media
Ivan Soldo sits in his private quarantine quarters on the Gold Coast, a dimly lit beige space with a splash of inoffensive hotel art on the wall behind him, and - from underneath a neatly trimmed Slavic moustache - he smiles warmly.
“Hub life’s not too bad,” he says, shrugging. “You get your own privacy. I wouldn’t want to share a room with anybody, so it’s a good setup. We’ll be able to go to the shops and beaches soon. Nothing to complain about. Probably better than it is down there, right?” Indeed it is.
The 24-year-old ruckman well remembers the first Melbourne lockdown. Like all Richmond players, he stayed at home, dutifully bringing with him as much club gym equipment as possible, and buying a few workout items of his own, too. A door bolted chin up bar was a must at home in Thornbury.
“I like doing weights, and I wanted to get an advantage,” he says. “Motivation’s pretty easy for me. Starting something is always the hardest part, but I started training by myself when I was 14.” For the past decade, in fact, the 6-foot-8 footballer has been building a mentality that “competing with yourself is the best kind of training”, almost out of necessity. He was skinny, you see.
“I was always tall, but I wasn’t always strong,” he says. “I was a late bloomer, and I played basketball, centre, but I couldn’t muscle anyone out. There were all these manchilds on the court, and they could just push me out of the way, so I had to put on some size.”
That was in Canberra, where he grew up as the middle child between an old sister, Lucija, who now works in the public service, and a younger brother, Stjepan, an electrician. They moved around the suburbs there a handful of times in his childhood as his father, Nevenko, a renderer, would buy a block and build a house, buy another block and build another house, and so on. Mum, Slavica, was a cleaner who now works in security and is eyeing retirement, but whose money and labour back then went into feeding the bottomless belly and burgeoning muscles of her second child. Two lamb backstraps with veggies and grains was the not uncommon high school lunch of young Ivan Soldo.
The abiding memory of his best friend and fellow Croatian Australian, Daniel Ujdur, 24 (with whom he speaks every day on the phone) is - unsurprisingly - connected to food. “He was always eating - always had this massive tub with rice and chicken,” says Ujdur, laughing. “We went over to our coach’s place after a gym session one night, around 11pm, and Ivan asked if he could have some eggs, to get his protein in after a workout. Then he ate basically a whole carton of eggs - 10 or 11 - just scrambled them up before midnight.”
The two were born nine days apart and as children they were, by their own admission, not remotely quiet or passive. Spend any time around Soldo and you’ll notice the sly smile he wears - the idea of him terrorising primary school teachers is utterly believable. “Ivan was the one who always got in trouble, because you can’t miss him,” Ujdur says. “He thinks he’s blending in, but his head sticks out above everyone.” (“We were little poos,” Soldo confirms. “We were pretty bad.”)
They began playing soccer when they were four years old, and did so together for the next decade, Soldo an uncoordinated defensive midfielder who was always hurting people by accident. That ability to injure or maim only grew. “I remember he got banned from sparring in the boxing gym, because he doesn’t know how to tap someone,” Ujdur says. “He taps you and it feels like someone threw a brick at you.” (That’s still true, incidentally: “I was sparring with Dylan Grimes once and he was like ‘Bloody calm down mate - stop throwing bombs!’” says Soldo, giggling. “But I was just throwing little straight jabs.”)
He played a little rugby union, too. Imagine, if you will, a 203-centimetre teenager being lifted up in a line-out. His big hands basically used to seize the ball 12 feet into the air. “I played one game with him, just for fun,” says Ujdur. “It was a tight game and he scored four tries or something ridiculous. He was just so strong, people cannoned off him.”
Basketball actually didn’t come to him until he was 14, and he didn’t really want to play the sport either - but he was good at it, and he likes trying new things. Soon enough he got into representative squads and various competitions that meant he could play all year round. “But I got a bit bored of it, honestly,” Soldo says. “It just seemed like a selfish game, and I didn’t like that aspect. It’s not easy to go from a sport that’s all about team-team-team, to this game where it’s only five people on the court and you’re all trying to score. It was a bit of a cultural change, too, or maybe it coincided with an age where sport was getting serious, but I didn’t love the personalities. It just felt like my real mates were elsewhere.”
The plan to play AFL wasn’t hatched but rather evolved from a casual conversation with his cousin, the talismanic former Richmond ruckman and vice-captain Ivan Maric. The two Ivans were on the Gold Coast, at an Australian-Croation soccer tournament when Soldo, then 16, said he might like to swap the Wilson for a Sherrin. “We took a photo together,” says Maric, now 34, “and I sent it to our list manager, Blair Hartley. Ivan was already 6 foot 8, and about 125 kilograms, just massive
They had a meeting at Punt Road and - without committing to anything - put some goals in place for the teenager. All that weight he worked so hard to gain? It had to be shed. And then he had to train and wait and hope. “From his point of view, it was pretty frustrating,” says Maric. “He kept persisting, texting, staying in touch, but it was two years without being sure of anything. I just kept telling him ‘You’ve gotta be patient, gotta be patient’.”
Soldo listened. His dad is one of 14 children, and mum one of 11, so he has around 50 first cousins - yes, fifty - but Maric was special among them. “I always looked up to Ivan, this older cousin, professional athlete, coolest person ever.”
He took every bit of his advice on board, slimming down by around 20 kilograms, doing a pre-season with some school mates at the Queanbeyan Tigers, and another pre-season in Albury. He played a few scratch games and practice matches, and eventually Richmond asked him to come down to Punt Road for a trial. “It was just a muck around, to see what I could do. It was a rainy day, and I was doing all these drills against Mason Cox, because Richmond was looking at him, too,” says Soldo. “I was like, ‘This bloke is way too tall’. I didn’t know what I was doing, but neither did he. It was pretty funny actually.”
Then in April 2014, Soldo turned 18, the age at which Richmond were allowed to approach him - as an adult never before listed with a football club - to become listed as a category B rookie. Near the end of the year he played his first serious game of football, rucking in the second half of a TAC Cup game for the Northern Knights. Surrounded by elite juniors and draft hopefuls - he describes fleeting memories from within that confusing match. In my mind, he is a lost giraffe surrounded by braying hyenas.
“I picked up the ball at one stoppage and tried to fend off four people, and didn’t know what to do, and someone got me from behind, and then someone else, and there was this scuffle on the ground with all these guys, and it was sort of my first skirmish, first initiation into how brutal footy can be,” he says. “I enjoy that part of the game now, but I remember thinking ‘Huh, so this is the way it works…’”
In truth he didn’t even know the rules of the sport, and played largely on instinct. He caught an opponent holding the ball, for instance, and instead of going back and taking his free kick or dishing a handball, he ran off down the field after chucking the footy to a teammate. He had to be called back by the bemused umpire to take his kick. “I’d come from soccer and I just thought that’s what happened: you give it to a guy who can kick it better.”
The guy he handed the ball to was Jayden Short.“I remember it was in Gippsland, in Morwell,” says Short, by phone. “It wasn’t great weather for a big fella’s first real game either. It was peeing down rain, and cold. But he was this huge ruckman with ties to Richmond, so everyone was intrigued by him. We were all 16 and 17, and he was 18 and just a massive man - so he sort of made everyone stand a bit taller. I’m just amazed at how good he’s gotten since then, for a bloke who had never played the game before.”
Not long after this humble start in elite football, Soldo and Short joined the Richmond rookie list together, along with Jason Castagna and Kane Lambert, in a stunning piece of post-draft recruiting. Those four overlooked players now have six premiership medals between them, but back then they were just hopefuls, and so they hopped on a plane together and headed to Townsville, to join what is still regarded as the toughest pre-season camp at the club this century.
“Connor Menadue was drafted in my year, and he was a high-end talent, picked for his running and speed, and a few days into the camp he said he was about to quit. Being thrown in the deep end of that wasn’t easy,” Soldo says. “I don’t know what happened the season before, but there was probably a goal to test people out mentally and physically.”
If you check your notes, you’ll see that the 2014 camp came not long after the disastrous elimination final loss to Port Adelaide in South Australia - an utter mauling that capped off a strange season, which in truth started with calamity and was saved only by an improbable nine-game winning streak. “The coaches were clearly testing us,” Soldo says. “If you complained about the heat, the whole team would have to do a one-kilometre run, and it was scorching in Townsville. It was like going through a Navy Seal boot camp.”
Having the seasoned Maric there as a senior player and sounding board was an immense help, but Soldo actually didn’t lean too heavily on his cousin. A sponge at all times, Soldo learned as much or more over the years from coaches such as Mark Williams, Andrew McQualter and Max Bailey, or players like Shaun Hampson, Ben Griffiths and Alex Rance. Fulfilling the rigorous demands of a full-time athletic career - a rude shock to many other young recruits - was a relatively seamless adaptation for Soldo.
“The professional environment was something he picked up easily - he’s really organised and disciplined,” says Maric. “It was just picking up the skills of the game. Kicking, marking, handballing - that was tough. When you’re that tall you’ve got such long levers, so timing becomes a big issue. Kicking for instance was about keeping his technique compact, dropping it close to the foot, and he’s worked really hard on that.”
He had a harder time getting his head around the way footballers were regarded and revered in Melbourne. At his gargantuan height, Soldo has always experienced that sensation of being noticed when he enters a room, but he had no comprehension of the way prominent players have their importance magnified by the lens of the Melbourne footy fishbowl.
“I’d see these players who I didn’t really know, and they’re superstars in this city. The way people acted around them - I didn’t get it completely,” he says. “I also didn’t realise how much I could affect someone’s life, how there’s this responsibility that you get given with the jumper. You go to a school and these kids just want to hear you talk. I didn’t realise I would ever be someone that kids look up to, but I feel like it’s something I do well. Once footy is done, I think I’d like to go into working with kids.”
With so much new knowledge to acquire, and so many new environments to navigate, I’m curious to know when he the cogs and gears of his new life began to align, namely when he felt comfortable on the football field, playing in the AFL. “Truthfully, I go in and out of that mentality constantly,” Soldo says. “There’s no real comfort.”
Right now he senses that Toby Nankervis is the preferred single rucking option for Richmond, and he is fine with that. Soldo is playing right now - while Nankervis recovers from injury - but to Soldo “right now” is all that matters. He’s doing well, too, throwing his weight around in a recent wet weather skirmish against Sydney, and then on Saturday growing into a huge nullifying presence against the Kangaroos’ in form ruckman, Todd Goldstein. The composition of the Tigers’ rucking cohort will shift and change throughout the season, of course - Soldo sees it as his job to roll with that uncertainty.
The ruck is a strange position though, one almost unlike any other in footy. It’s a physically unique slot - a singular hole to be filled by a specific peg - and it ultimately means that a handful of very, very tall footballers - Soldo and Nankervis, Mabior Chol and Callum Coleman-Jones - train together every week as a close unit, while remaining in direct competition with one another.
“It’s hard,” Soldo says, nodding. “It’s probably exciting for observers to see that competition between a few guys, but when you’re in the middle of that, it’s hard to have good relationships with these people. You want to leave it on the track but no one likes being second, so there’s a bit of a rivalry but there’s a real understanding as well. Us competing against each other is going to make us better players - Ivan has coached us to have that mentality.”
All he can do is enjoy the labour, combining attention to diet with competitive training. “You do all this work, to be so strong and so ready, and then you get to prove how strong and ready you are. That’s rucking. You build up all this momentum, then let it go on the field.”
Chol, for instance, unleashes athleticism and agility and a lithe left foot, and that tests Soldo’s size and strength and reach. Nankervis is shorter, but has many more tricks. Then there’s young Coleman-Jones, replete with big footy attributes but unable yet to win his place in the 22. “I do kind of feel sorry for him, because I’m seeing Callum improve every week, and I do want to see him play - because I don’t want his work to go to waste - but at the same time, he’s playing for my spot. It’s an interesting situation.”
Maric, as a development officer and the club ruck coach, sees the same dynamic unfolding. It’s his job to manage the balance between competition and cooperation. “You feel and see how hard everyone is working, and then when they don’t get their opportunity it’s tough on everyone,” Maric says. “I think to make it in the AFL you have to go through that, so you remember what it feels like to miss out. But it is rough.”
The traits that Soldo brings to his case are varied, which makes sense given his background in soccer and rugby and basketball, or boxing and lifting weights. “I encourage everyone to try all sports, because they all offer you something,” Soldo says. “I’ve always felt in footy that I’m sort of bouncy, light on my feet, and I think that’s come through soccer, where there’s a big field to evaluate. With basketball you have to find your way through traffic with your hands more than your body, so that helps at stoppages. Rugby had that good physicality - I wish I’d played that more.”
There is, of course, an abundance of growth still available to him. Many footballers have a specific improvement area or KPI on which they can focus their spare energy, but Soldo doesn’t have that luxury. He needs to devote time to it all - tap work and second efforts and ground balls and more. If there is an area of greatest interest it’s probably marking - not just taking grabs but setting up on the field, tracking the ball in flight, and halving contests. He trains that “extra” relentlessly, facing off in marking duels with other rucks, tall defenders, hybrids, even nippy runners, one scenario after another - long down the line kicks, lead up options, pack situations, again and again.
“I just feel like there’s so much growth in that for him, even not getting pushed under the ball - not allowing yourself to get out-marked,” says Maric. “If he can improve that, he can be a target up forward for five minutes a quarter - this big guy, hard to match against, who can hopefully get a few shots on goal and nail them.”
He’s also developed his aggression at the contest, says Maric, who himself had a famously competitive streak once the ball was bounced. “Soldo enjoys that physical, combative stuff, but he’s way more relaxed about it than I was,” says Maric. “It’s a part of his game he’s had to learn on the field - that he can go straight after the ball, keeping his eye on it, and he’ll be hard to stop. He’s learning that he can go through - instead of around.”
Soldo laughs at this, mainly because he has had to work so hard to control his attack on the ball, at least at training. “I’ve injured a lot of people on the training track, and I feel so bad when it happens,” he says, shaking his head. “In games I’m better at cracking in, where it’s OK to hurt people, fairly, within the rules. You need to do that anyway - if you shirk it in AFL you’re the one who’ll get injured. And hitting hard is so infectious for the team
It’s infectious for the fans, too. Soldo knows you’re all out there watching, incidentally. He feels your absence, keenly. He enjoyed the novelty of round one in the empty Melbourne Cricket Ground, because they hadn’t played in so long, and the team was physically fit, and he could hear everyone on the ground calling and cheering. But by rounds two and three that quirky silence began to sap something important from the experience of playing. “We knew it was something we’ve gotta get used to, but it was a bit depressing. You kick a goal and there’s no roar. And with social distancing you can’t even high five.”
And now of course, he’s in the hub, training and playing and trying to amuse himself. He’s listened to the audiobook version of Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules for Life, and the biography of former Navy Seal and American ultra marathon runner David Goggins, Can’t Hurt Me: Master Your Mind and Defy the Odds. He draws his own cartoons occasionally, and watches the anime series Dragon Ball Z. Online, he’s an avid gamer, consumed with two-on-two games of FIFA, and recently completed a Yale University course on wellbeing.
“It’s such a bizarre year. I was thinking of it as another year to improve, but that idea changed completely - now I’ve learned to just take this year as it comes. I never plan ahead anyway, because things are always going to change, this year especially.”
He has no goals written down. He just makes his bed every morning, and focuses on improving his body and mind. Soldo is 24, and in no rush to grow up. He doesn’t think about how far he has come since his childhood in Canberra, nor what he will do when his career ends.
“What I’ve been practising is just being present, staying in the present,” he says. “Your mind tells a lot of stories, and pretty much 90 percent of them are negative. That’s taken me a long time to understand, and to identify as soon as it starts creeping in. I’ve come from far away, from other sports, so there’s lots of things telling me that I shouldn’t be comfortable out there. But what I’ve learned is that no one is really comfortable out there.”
In truth, he doesn’t think he will ever fully feel at home on a footy field. But he does derive comfort in understanding that about himself - his need to approach the game as a constant challenge to improve. There is freedom in that kind of self knowledge - in knowing that there is nothing to be won, only work to be done.
Remainder of the article...
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/780970/roar-feature-ivan-soldo
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GWS' best on so far.... :shh
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We're playing this guy instead of CCJ. Seriously?
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If he wins a tap is it possible to tap it to a Richmond teammate?
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If Nank was fit he'd be in the side instead. Soldo's been ordinary this year.
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I wouldn’t mind seeing CCJ
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Bring on CCJ - end the farce
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Bruce carrying like he's BOG...dominating a washed up Jacobs..but apart from that one good tap to Riewoldt for a goal they're still mostly going to GWS's advantage or no-one... :shh
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To easy to blame him only had no issue last year when he was tapping it to our midfielders I think they got to blame to.
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Funny. Thought he was ok.
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BOG for the last half of the third quarter according to Bruce....you're both wrong... :shh
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"Ivan Soldo impressive with 37 hitouts, 10 hitouts to advantage." - Ch7 scroll.
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That's a very loose definition of "advantage" they must be using there... :huh
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That's a very loose definition of "advantage" they must be using there... :huh
I’m guessing the word “to advantage” could mean to either side
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I’ll give him one thing. The big man can stick a tackle.
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Outplayed last night , Soldo has gotta go
Time for Nank to reclaim his spot
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Outplayed last night , Soldo has gotta go
Time for Nank to reclaim his spot
Reckon as soon as The Nank is right to play he will
But that is still a couple of weeks away
I'd even be tempted to play Chol only and throw Caddy in for the odd centre bounce
At least that way you get 2 mobile options around the ground
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Or if we play a shorter opponent and can spare Balta.
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Outplayed last night , Soldo has gotta go
Time for Nank to reclaim his spot
Reckon as soon as The Nank is right to play he will
But that is still a couple of weeks away
I'd even be tempted to play Chol only and throw Caddy in for the odd centre bounce
At least that way you get 2 mobile options around the ground
You think Caddy is mobile?
Reckon a mobility cart moves better
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You think Caddy is mobile?
Reckon a mobility cart moves better
More mobile than Soldo? Absolutely
And the one thing Caddy has in his "favour" is footy smarts (though after the brain fade on Sat that's in question ;D)
And whnpen it is all said and done, he can't be any worse :thumbsup
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For all the doubters today he showed why his in the team.
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Normally don't rate him but he was good tonight. Hope he can follow it up.
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Excellent game last night and good the week before.
He is no NicNat and people should know that by now and not expect it, but he has a real good crack and is improving each week.
All you need is a contest in the ruck and he gives us that IMO.
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Big tick for Ivan, positioned himself well.
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played his best game of the year. His attack on football was really good
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Yes he played well for once. though strangely-and stats will no doubt say otherwise- it looked as though both he & Nank had more difficulty with the debutant Williams than NicNat.... :shh
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Yes he played well for once. though strangely-and stats will no doubt say otherwise- it looked as though both he & Nank had more difficulty with the debutant Williams than NicNat.... :shh
Looked like they had a plan for NicNat but not Williams.
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Yes but you shouldn't really need one against a kid in their first game.... :shh
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I thought Soldo beat Nic Nat in the ruck.
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I thought Soldo beat Nic Nat in the ruck.
Agreed- he has a good record when playing the Eagles.
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Looks like Ivan has done his ACL according to Dimma.
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Hope not that bad.
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Sad news as it will also keep him out for most of 2021.
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CCJ has to be taken off the table now. Will get plenty of chances next season.
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CCJ has to be taken off the table now. Will get plenty of chances next season.
Should never be on the table. Our long term ruckman, wouldn’t consider unless he specifically asks for a trade.
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Sad news as it will also keep him out for most of 2021.
glass half full is CCJ most likely kept now and will get to see him in 2021
Chol obvious choice now to play out the year?
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It looked horrendous
I wouldn't be surprised if it is ACL with MCL damage as well
Serious question probably to The Machine more than anyone but obviously open to everyone could Ben Miller play as a chop out ruck?
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You're right with your diagnosis WP. Just confirmed by the Club on twitter.
Scans have sadly confirmed Ivan Soldo has ruptured both his ACL and medial ligament. We’re all with you, Soldo 💛
Source: RFC twitter.
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Good pick WP.
Big shame for the big man. Was really starting to play well
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Best wishes to him, very nasty injury
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Best wishes, we will miss him.
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Will be missed more then.people think.Is thst a bad injury both chance of recovery ?.
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Wish him the bedt but its going to be a long hard road back for the big man. Hes not overly quick for a big man already this injury could have a big impact on his mibility when he comes back in 12 months.
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All because a certain player in hoops is always allowed to push defenders in the back without the fear of giving away a free kick. :banghead
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All because a certain player in hoops is always allowed to push defenders in the back without the fear of giving away a free kick. :banghead
Does it all the time :banghead
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Balmey thinks Soldo will be ready middle of the season.
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Sounds optimistic to me. Would er on the side of caution myself. He's a big man...
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Soldo suffered the season-ending injury in round 17 last year having been Richmond's premier ruck, but the Tigers are confident of seeing him in 2021.
"If there's one guy who is going to do his rehab to an incredible level, it's Soldo. Our guys are really positive that he'll play some football towards the back end of the year which is a great get for us," Hardwick said.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/550654/can-dusty-get-even-better-superstar-primed-after-incredible-pre-season)
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That would be great if he can get back backed of 2021.
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Ah auto spelling strikes again - last word back end .....of the year
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Richmond is expected to hand injured ruckman Ivan Soldo a one-year extension.
The 24-year-old, who featured in the club's 2019 Grand Final win over Greater Western Sydney, comes out of contract at the end of this season but the club intends to add another year to his deal through to the end of 2022.
Soldo missed out on last year's flag victory against Geelong after requiring season-ending surgery following his knee injury in the second last home and away game of 2020.
Soldo is racing through his recovery from the injury, with Tigers coach Damien Hardwick recently saying that the club's medical team expect the ruckman to return to the field later this season.
– Mitch Cleary and Callum Twomey
https://www.afl.com.au/news/569052
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Back training with the group :).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9IVHOIUcAAny3b?format=jpg&name=large)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9IVHOJVIAQNwcA?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1428227259840679937
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So underated how much we have missed him big time.
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Can't wait to see him back. I hope he can still play well after that injury.
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We need him back. Was so important as he is that big strong body. Started taking strong pack marks and is a great tap ruck. Will work well with Nank.
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Would rather see the Nank -CCJ combo next year (providing CCJ is still here and assuming Chol isn't)at least to start with...Soldo for when Nank is injured or needs to be "managed"...... :shh
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Nank & Ivan were well on their way to being the best ruck combo in the AFL ... until Tom Porkins, hopelessly out positioned in a marking contest, cannoned a team mate into Ivan's leg & ruptured his ACL .... thanks again Tom .... #@#&$!!!!
Ivan missed a whole year for that pathetic push in the back, Tom. I'll remember you for that for a very long time, Tom! ... you pathetic #@#&er!!! :banghead
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Nank + Soldo is likely to be better than any of Nank + something.
CCJ will hopefully replace Jack anyway so we could play all three.
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Nank/Soldo combo is too cumbersome and neither really hit the scoreboard when they go forward...Soldo's hit outs rarely go to advantage either...think his absence has made some people's hearts grow fonder... :shh
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Nank/Soldo combo is too cumbersome and neither really hit the scoreboard when they go forward...Soldo's hit outs rarely go to advantage either...think his absence has made some people's hearts grow fonder... :shh
Not really.
Bottom line re: Soldo is that he doesn't get his ass whooped when we play against huge rucks like Gawn, NicNat etc. He's a lot bigger than Nank, played well in the last two years and was consistently getting better.
CCJ will be available to replace Jack too anyway so I reckon that allows Nank to go back into the hole.
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Tiger71 on his podcast (https://www.facebook.com/BigFootyTigercast/videos/992738251296754) reckons Soldo is training the house down. Advanced on where we thought he'd be at this stage. Not just straight line running. He's doing zig-zags and moving well.
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Will be a handy inclusion next year.
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Richmond premiership ruckman Ivan Soldo has put pen to paper on a new three-year deal, keeping him at the Club until at least the end of 2024.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1017596/three-more-for-soldo
Richmond General Manager- Football Talent, Blair Hartley said that Soldo’s return to the playing field would be exciting for the Club.
“Across more than seven years at Richmond, Ivan has shown an outstanding work ethic and willingness to improve his game.
“His knee injury late last year was very unfortunate, but he has worked hard throughout this season to put himself in a position to return strongly in 2022.
“Ivan is a key member of our team and we look forward to welcoming him back next year.”
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Is this a big FU to CCJ.
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Will lose his spot to Ryan in 2023.... :shh
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Richmond great Matthew Richardson excited by Ivan Soldo comeback
James Buckley
Canberra Times
4 October 2021
Former Queanbeyan Tiger Ivan Soldo is poised to make a major return from injury in 2022, after Richmond opted to let ruckman Mabior Chol go to the Gold Coast Suns last month.
And the 25-year-old has a major ally in his corner, with club legend Matthew Richardson convinced Soldo would only improve on an AFL career which already includes a premiership medal, despite playing just 36 career games.
Soldo missed all of 2021 after suffering a horror knee injury in round 17 of 2020, during which he ruptured his anterior and medial ligaments.
His recovery remains on track, and the 204cm giant is eyeing off a pre-Christmas return to contact training before resuming his place in the Tigers' best 22.
With Chol's departure to the Suns, Soldo is now Toby Nankervis's clear-cut backup in the ruck and Richardson tipped the returning big man to surprise the league next year.
"He's a forgotten man outside of Richmond," Richardson told the Tigers website.
"Working in the media, it staggered me that he was barely mentioned whenever the team's injury list was discussed throughout the season.
"In 2019 and 2020, until he suffered his knee injury, he played some really good football. He was an important member of the 2019 premiership team.
"Soldo complements Toby Nankervis really well in the Tigers' ruck set-up.
"Nank is terrific around the ground and with his follow-up work, while Soldo's strength is at the centre bounces and stoppages through his ability to win hit-outs and provide the team's mids with first use.
"He's got a big body, good aggression and is a tough competitor."
Soldo won a premiership in just his 22nd AFL match, as part of the Richmond side that dismantled GWS in the 2019 decider.
"Soldo's also a popular clubman and, importantly, has a lot more upside to his football career," Richardson said.
"You've got to remember that he didn't grow up playing the game - basketball and soccer were his sports of choice.
"At 25 years of age, Soldo has played only 36 AFL games and probably wouldn't have played 100 games of Australian Football all-up yet.
"So, as he continues to develop his ruck craft, I think he's going to provide Richmond with plenty of value."
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7454571/key-ally-for-soldo-as-comeback-gathers-momentum/?cs=9465
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* Ivan made good progress during the later part of this season. Could have played if we hadn't ruled him out. He's up in Queensland on his break. He's going well with his recovery.
- Blair Hartley.
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Newly re-signed ruckman Ivan Soldo
“Ivan Soldo did some drills in the last week of the season (after an ACL tear) before it wrapped up and he had a little arthroscope over the pre-season after some swelling in his knee. He is back doing a bit and he will be in full training in the new year.” - Peter Burge.
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-follow-the-latest-offseason-injury-news-and-updates/news-story/b5a5bf03c94f23b42458717e9196ae36)
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Players ready to re-launch at every club
David Zita
Fox Sports
December 1st, 2021
It’s a team sport, but in the AFL there’s always at least one player who appears to be of vital importance to a side’s hopes on any given matchday.
Be it a change of club, poor form or injury, there’s a player at every club that could prove vital to the side’s successes (or lack thereof).
With that in mind, foxfooty.com.au set out to determine the player at every club who has the capacity to prove the biggest point of difference from this year to the 2022 season.
RICHMOND - Ivan Soldo
Whenever Soldo returns to the field in 2022, he’s set to have an immediate impact on how the Tigers shape up. He’ll be 26 and getting close to the peak of his powers, while the positional repercussions for Toby Nankervis will be great. Soldo’s ability at the centre bounces was missed when he went down with injury this year and his return allows Nankervis to drift forward or back before imposing himself on general play. With Mabior Chol and Callum Coleman-Jones now gone too, the fitness of Soldo has become even more paramount for the Tigers’ premiership hopes in 2022. Club great Matthew Richardson says Soldo is “a forgotten man outside of Richmond” and could be “plenty of value” to the club’s on-field fortunes.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-most-important-players-list-analysis-make-or-break-club-by-club-review-returning-from-injury/news-story/d3c44db8e488f7cf2e2dde4f246298ae
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Keen to see this guy in 2022 (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f62e-200d-1f4a8.png)
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1491629218681159681
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Ivan was very good in the scratch match today. Best ruckman on the ground and pushed forward to kick two goals. Touchwood Soldo stays healthy as we and especially Nank (workload wise) missed him big time last year.
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Ivan was very good in the scratch match today. Best ruckman on the ground and pushed forward to kick two goals. Touchwood Soldo stays healthy as we and especially Nank (workload wise) missed him big time last year.
The most underated player from our premiership side hugely missed.
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Ivan was very good in the scratch match today. Best ruckman on the ground and pushed forward to kick two goals. Touchwood Soldo stays healthy as we and especially Nank (workload wise) missed him big time last year.
The most underated player from our premiership side hugely missed.
Who did he ruck against?
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Ivan was very good in the scratch match today. Best ruckman on the ground and pushed forward to kick two goals. Touchwood Soldo stays healthy as we and especially Nank (workload wise) missed him big time last year.
The most underated player from our premiership side hugely missed.
Who did he ruck against?
Go back and watch the 2019 and 2020 season he was matching with the best of the rucks.
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Ivan was very good in the scratch match today. Best ruckman on the ground and pushed forward to kick two goals. Touchwood Soldo stays healthy as we and especially Nank (workload wise) missed him big time last year.
The most underated player from our premiership side hugely missed.
Who did he ruck against?
The number one ruckman from every side .
He’s referring to the scratch match I believe
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Ivan Soldo’s return also gives the Tigers some flexibility in the big man stocks.
He hasn’t played since Round 17, 2020 and looked impressive in his return, going head to head with Nankervis at stages.
“He’s the forgotten man … he hasn’t played for 18 months now,” McQualter said. “He is only 25 years old, with lots of upside still.
For him, it is just great to play again and to get the confidence in his body again, and to get the relationship going again with Toby.
“I know they tried to belt each other today but going forward they will be working in tandem.”
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-2022-dustin-martin-misses-richmond-tigers-intraclub-trial-eyes-round-1-return/news-story/cc242151e212bca9d36624a45cd691f2)
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Soldo takes giant strides on comeback trail
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1063752/soldo-takes-giant-strides-on-comeback-trail
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With Balta fwd then to start the year big Ivan is the #1 ruckman for the reserves.
His job will be to force Nankervis out if the above structure works. Maybe we do a horses for courses job with them and by playing different weeks theyb get the breaks they need.
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With Balta fwd then to start the year big Ivan is the #1 ruckman for the reserves.
His job will be to force Nankervis out if the above structure works. Maybe we do a horses for courses job with them and by playing different weeks theyb get the breaks they need.
Well Nank can't really go a full season that's for sure. Needs a break here and there and IMO we should never pitch him against monster rucks by himself.
Balta can relieve but he won't match it with the genuine big ones like Soldo.
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Greatly improved this week, the opposition mids started sharking his taps because he was clearly winning
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Great goal he kicked, didn't think he'd make the distance but he played like a big man indeed.
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Funnily enough, he is a very reliable set shot.
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Loving his hair too.
Channeling Maric!
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https://twitter.com/thechieftain29/status/1509772216434827266
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Lol. Only 4 to go come on mate
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As a few mentioned in the game thread I too started thinking when the hawks went 25 up that it was a mistake to play soldo given the wet weather. But played his part in our stoppage domination and snuck fwd to kick a couple of goals too.
I don’t know if it will last all season but so far the 2 ruck combo is working well and I’d keep going with it.
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Still not convinced even though he did stand up later in the game. Please convince me it's the right set up Ivan
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4-2 with a 2 ruck setup. Small sample size but more good then bad so far.
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Now that we resuscitated our season I’d be more inclined for the two ruck so nankervis isn’t completely stuffed if we do make it to September
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Absolutely no need the last three weeks for two ruckmen.
Rnd 7 Wce Only oppo ruckman was Strnadica missing Naitanui, Williams and probably third choice Jamieson.
Rnd 8 Pies Cameron servicable player Missing Grundy and Fwd who pinch hits Cox didnt play either.
Rnd 9 Hawks Lynch undersized third stringer behind Reeves and McEvoy.
Did we get enough out of Ivan to warrant his position.Or would it be better to play a different type. Not imo and i think we could easily have got by and been better off with a mid.
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Have not lost a game when Soldo has kicked a goal
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What significance does that actually have though
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With Balta qnd now Pickett out
Who pinch hits to give Nank a chop out?
Soldo stays for now
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Absolutely no need the last three weeks for two ruckmen.
Rnd 7 Wce Only oppo ruckman was Strnadica missing Naitanui, Williams and probably third choice Jamieson.
Rnd 8 Pies Cameron servicable player Missing Grundy and Fwd who pinch hits Cox didnt play either.
Rnd 9 Hawks Lynch undersized third stringer behind Reeves and McEvoy.
Did we get enough out of Ivan to warrant his position.Or would it be better to play a different type. Not imo and i think we could easily have got by and been better off with a mid.
Think there has been PLENTY of need
Every single minute Nank gets to rest is hugely beneficial for the pointy end of the season.
If we can give the big fella a good chop out and get the win, I think it’s huge ..
Would we go in with the same line up in a final, maybe not
But for some reason you aren’t thinking of the bigger picture Claw ..
Also .. if something happens to Nank , then Soldo having had time in the seniors this year can only be of benefit as well
But hey , let’s just throw in another midfielder
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Averaging 1.33 goals and 20.33 hit outs over his last 3 games.
Laughable to suggest dropping him.
Nank also in much better condition and having a better impact for the backup.
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Reckon the rucks are helping our clearances - Nank has been great this year and chop out helps him finish off games strongly.
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Reckon the rucks are helping our clearances - Nank has been great this year and chop out helps him finish off games strongly.
Yeah , but we should play another mid
Just ask Claw
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With Balta qnd now Pickett out
Who pinch hits to give Nank a chop out?
Soldo stays for now
Agree, For now.
I do find him a bit of a hindrance when we use him moving forward. He quite often fumbles or turns it over. But we need him out there ATM.
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With Balta qnd now Pickett out
Who pinch hits to give Nank a chop out?
Soldo stays for now
Agree, For now.
I do find him a bit of a hindrance when we use him moving forward. He quite often fumbles or turns it over. But we need him out there ATM.
Kicked 2 last week. Should have had 3
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Think people are missing the point. No need to play two ruckmen when there is only one second stringer to compete against.
There will be games when two ruckmen are needed there will also be opportunity to play just Soldo against certain types.
Imo the last three games playing against one second string ruckman afforded us an opportunity to play and get games into a young mid.
As people have pointed out in the past we have played Balta or Pickett as a break for Nankervis and thats doable when we play against teams with one ruckman especially teams whose #1 ruckman is missing.
On Soldo given the circumstances he had damn well had better have performed considering the opponents.
As one who is looking for as many opportunities to play younger players i think in these circumstances we missed an opportunity.
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I don’t think you’re giving Soldo enough credit considering he’s coming back from a serious knee injury.
Also as damo has said every minute nank can rest is only going to benefit him as the season goes on and his career also as we need to do our best to not break him. Also getting Soldo up to speed slowly is better than just thrusting him in as first ruck if nank goes down. Our midfield isn’t strong enough to shark everything like when 2014 Sydney were still winning games with Tom Derickx
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I reckon all those young mids who miss out on a game while they play Soldo would’ve heard about the ‘team first’ ethos that come from the coach & all the way down. Playing Soldo gives Nank a break which will become more important as the season rolls on, every kid would understand that. Also, exploiting our opponents lack of rucks puts another 4 points in the happy column - every kid on the list would understand that too. Points get us up the ladder which gives all the kids on the list a chance to get a game later in the year while we rest players going into the finals, plus injury might open the door for these kids to even play finals!
Team first, then worry about the little things later. I’m sure that any knowledgeable football supporter would know all that though …. :whistle
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With Balta qnd now Pickett out
Who pinch hits to give Nank a chop out?
Soldo stays for now
Agree, For now.
I do find him a bit of a hindrance when we use him moving forward. He quite often fumbles or turns it over. But we need him out there ATM.
Kicked 2 last week. Should have had 3
I didn't mean up forward I meant when he is used on transition up the ground. He quite often turns it over or takes the wrong option. He is not exactly the most mobile ruckman going around. He did go ok last week and l hope he continues that way as we need him atm.
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With Balta qnd now Pickett out
Who pinch hits to give Nank a chop out?
Soldo stays for now
Agree, For now.
I do find him a bit of a hindrance when we use him moving forward. He quite often fumbles or turns it over. But we need him out there ATM.
Kicked 2 last week. Should have had 3
I didn't mean up forward I meant when he is used on transition up the ground. He quite often turns it over or takes the wrong option. He is not exactly the most mobile ruckman going around. He did go ok last week and l hope he continues that way as we need him atm.
Understood. And I agree.
I don't think it's a good idea kicking long to him anywhere near the middle of the ground.
This should be Nank's job more so.
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The importance of Ivan Soldo
Sarah Black
afl.com.au
20 May 2022
Since Ivan Soldo's development from a Category B basketball-playing rookie to a genuine AFL ruckman, Richmond has played around with its ruck line-up.
Given that Soldo wasn't a regular member of the side until 2019, it's not fair to couple him with the above players, as his non-selection in the first two years of the dynasty was mostly due to form/team structure, rather than injury.
Saying that, his importance in the past three and a half years has been notable.
RICHMOND'S WIN/LOSS WITH IVAN SOLDO IN AND OUT
SOLDO DIFF GMS IN (W-L-D) Win% GMS OUT (W-L-D) Win%
2017-2022 9.5% 42 (31-10-1) 73.8% 84 (54-29-1) 64.3%
2019-2022 25.3% 34 (26-7-1) 76.5% 43 (22-20-1) 51.2%
When Soldo has been in the team since 2019, the Tigers have a 76.5 per cent winning ration. When he's out, they've won just 51.2 per cent of their games – a differential of 25.3 per cent, better even that his pivotal teammate Lambert.
The moustachioed ruck missed the entirety of 2021 due to a knee reconstruction, but was a key contributor to the 2019 and 2020 flag campaigns.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/763203/who-s-the-next-most-valuable-tiger-after-dusty-
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Think people are missing the point. No need to play two ruckmen when there is only one second stringer to compete against.
There will be games when two ruckmen are needed there will also be opportunity to play just Soldo against certain types.
Imo the last three games playing against one second string ruckman afforded us an opportunity to play and get games into a young mid.
As people have pointed out in the past we have played Balta or Pickett as a break for Nankervis and thats doable when we play against teams with one ruckman especially teams whose #1 ruckman is missing.
On Soldo given the circumstances he had damn well had better have performed considering the opponents.
As one who is looking for as many opportunities to play younger players i think in these circumstances we missed an opportunity.
Isn’t that similar to saying why do we need such a tall defence (balta, grimes, broad, vlas, Gibcus) for teams that don’t have more than the 1 tall forward. Or on the flip side why play both jack and lynch for teams with small defences.
I would have thought playing 2 genuine rucks against a single second string ruckman is exposing the weakness of our opposition and giving us an advantage in stoppages.
Then you have the other points about freeing up and resting nank and the fact it seems to be working so far make it a ‘if it ain’t broke don’t fix it’ type situation.
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We knew Soldo couldn't play as a key forward (what were the MC thinking :help ) but it was Ivan's follower efforts that were more damning giving that's his main role in the side. His head wasn't in the game. Cost us two goals in the last quarter via poor basic game understanding.
Firstly, when you're the follower a kick behind the play and a high ball out of the opposition's D50 heads in your direction you don't move away from where the fall of the ball and the contest will be to wait like you're a small crumber. It left a shorter teammate to try and contest and the Swans won the ball and ended getting a goal.
Secondly, forced a more mobile teammate off the mark on D50 rather than getting into defensive position further up the ground. Allowed Mills to easily run past him and gain an extra 30m on his kick which resulted in another Swans goal to Buddy.
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LOL the other ruckman doesn’t go up and Soldo taps it straight to him
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Putting on the full Gumby display tonight
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Shouldn't have played tonight.
Only required against big units like Gawn, Grundy, NicNat, Darcy etc
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Terrible tonight. Absolutely schiessenhausen
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I saw Mcintosh take the ruck once and tap it straight to one of our boys. Soldo was tapping it to the opposition even when uncontested. I still think we are better with him giving nank a chop out but on form needs a spell in the 2s.
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Time for a rest in the 2s for Ivan. Can't play him resting forward.
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I saw Mcintosh take the ruck once and tap it straight to one of our boys. Soldo was tapping it to the opposition even when uncontested. I still think we are better with him giving nank a chop out but on form needs a spell in the 2s.
Spot on mate. Tonight though we didn't need him against that pansy Finlayson
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Soldo is worse than Gus Graham at the moment
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Soldo is worse than Gus Graham at the moment
Trade him to Adelaide?
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Not sure what has happened to this guy but yes on par with Gus at the minute.
I cringe every time he goes near the ball.
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Needs to regain confidence in vfl no point in playing him at the moment.
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Port didn't play a recognised ruckman and even with that advantage Soldo was poor (didn't think Nank was great either BTW)
We don't need 2 rucks against the Blues as Silvagni is playing as their 2nd ruck
Enough said I reckon
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Nank gives away way too many free kicks
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Soldo fined twice by the MRO.
Charges laid:
Ivan Soldo, Richmond, has been charged with Tripping Zane Trew, West Coast Eagles, during the third quarter of the Round 16 match between Richmond and the West Coast Eagles played at the MCG on Sunday, July 3 2022.
In summary, the player can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Intentional Conduct, Low Impact, Body Contact. The incident was assessed as a $3000 sanction as a first offence. The player can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea.
Ivan Soldo, Richmond, has been charged with Wrestling Nic Naitanui, West Coast Eagles, during the third quarter of the Round 16 match between Richmond and the West Coast Eagles played at the MCG on Sunday, July 3 2022.
In summary, the player can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
A first offence for Wrestling is a $1500 sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1000 sanction.
Nic Naitanui, West Coast Eagles, has been charged with Wrestling Ivan Soldo, Richmond, during the third quarter of the Round 16 match between Richmond and the West Coast Eagles played at the MCG on Sunday, July 3 2022.
In summary, the player can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
A first offence for Wrestling is a $1500 sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1000 sanction.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/793970/match-review-tiger-hit-with-ban-hawk-cops-suspension-for-bump
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Absolutely towelled up by Naitanui and for that matter so was Nank.
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Absolutely towelled up by Naitanui and for that matter so was Nank.
Yep
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Ivan Soldo broken thumb.
https://twitter.com/_AMcCormack7/status/1545708076833341440
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how many weeks i wonder.
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how many weeks i wonder.
Jack missed two weeks when he fractured his thumb in round 1. Came back for the Dogs game in round 4. So presumably Soldo will miss a couple.
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💩💩 :help
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This is a blessing in disguise.
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Some tiger supporters have suggested Ryan should have been playing seniors the last two or three weeks instead of Soldo reckon they had a decent case as well.
Need him to just give a contest and hope Prestia or a big body like Ross or RC-D can win it when it hits the ground.
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Jon Ralph just said Soldo will have surgery on his thumb tomorrow and will miss a week.
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Would prefer we got Grigg back out of retirement to play ruck
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Maybe we should just play Pickett in the ruck
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Should have asked Gus Graham to nominate for the draft. Nfi this club
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At what stage of the game did Ivan fracture his thumb? I was trying to decipher the ABC commentary & there was no mention of him even having a problem ... :huh
Nank got the same treatment, no mention of him leaving the ground, no injury report, nothing. We lost both ruckmen somehow (like they both fell into a black hole) & the commentators never mentioned it during their call ...
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At what stage of the game did Ivan fracture his thumb? I was trying to decipher the ABC commentary & there was no mention of him even having a problem ... :huh
Nank got the same treatment, no mention of him leaving the ground, no injury report, nothing. We lost both ruckmen somehow (like they both fell into a black hole) & the commentators never mentioned it during their call ...
Nank was on Ch7 news ronight when they arrived home at the airport qnd he said he played out the game with the knee injury, so it must happened early
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What’s Justin Charles doin next weekend
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What’s Justin Charles doin next weekend
Lines and needles :shh :rollin
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He's an effervescent type Justin Charles!
The Baseballer!
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He's an effervescent type Justin Charles!
The Baseballer!
Haha 1995
Effervescent
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Soldo is as bad if not worse than castagna.
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It won't get the attention due to Sheds' 300th but it's also Big Ivan's 50th game this week.
Games
2017 7
2018 1
2019 14 ..... premiership
2020 14 ....... missed flag due to doing his ACL in round 17 vs Geelong
2021 - ....... missed due to the ACL.
2022 13*
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Total 50*
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/I/Ivan_Soldo.html
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It would be a full highlight reel of his bumbles and fumbles
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SOLDO MEETS WITH GIANTS
RICHMOND ruckman Ivan Soldo has done a medical with Greater Western Sydney, after meeting with the club in recent days to discuss a potential reunion with new coach Adam Kingsley.
It's understood the contracted Soldo met with Giants officials while returning to his hometown of Canberra for an off-season holiday, with the club stepping up its interest in the 204cm big man.
The involvement of Soldo could help Richmond in negotiations over a deal for star midfielder Jacob Hopper. As things stand, the Giants are still searching for more than the Tigers' offer of pick No.31 and a future first-round selection.
Soldo has two seasons to run on the three-year contract he signed at Richmond in September 2021, but is hoping for more opportunities after managing only 13 games this year.
The 26-year-old Soldo has spent eight seasons at Punt Road after arriving as a rookie, including the last four working under Kingsley. The ex-Tigers assistant was appointed as the Giants' new senior coach in August. – Riley Beveridge
https://www.afl.com.au/news/854528/eagles-ask-about-port-mid-tiger-meets-giants-no-jackson-action
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The problem you have when you send out next year's club calendar before the trade period is finished :whistle.
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Ivan Soldo (Richmond to GWS)
We say: Soldo could be part of the trade for Jacob Hopper, but the Giants also hold an interest in the Richmond ruckman as a player. He’s held a medical at GWS and it’s unclear where his future lies.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/11/every-trade-speculated-to-go-down-before-wednesdays-afl-trade-deadline/
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Not part of Hopper deal. So it seems Ivan is remaining at Punt Rd.
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In my view he is a better ruckman then Nank. Glad he stayed but I was happy to see him go if it meant getting Hopper I will admit.
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Coming of a major knee injury 2022 was just about getting back on the ground for Ivan and it hits big men more those injuries.
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Welcome back big man.
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Good news, great option when we need to nullify a dominate tap ruckman
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I personally find him useless but will support him whilst still a tiger
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2nd year after a reco is always a better reference point
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A great outcome and happy he is staying :clapping
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With 5 on the bench a good flexible option to have a decent 2nd Ruckman on the list
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I personally find him useless but will support him whilst still a tiger
I think about the same. If they gave Hopper for him, that would be better.
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Still think we need to get on the list a super athletic agile type instead of relying on dinosaurs like big ivan.
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Still think we need to get on the list a super athletic agile type instead of relying on dinosaurs like big ivan.
Would you have taken Grundy knowing that Pies were paying $300k out if his $900-1kk wage?
I would have.
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Still think we need to get on the list a super athletic agile type instead of relying on dinosaurs like big ivan.
Would you have taken Grundy knowing that Pies were paying $300k out if his $900-1kk wage?
I would have.
700k per year for 5 years is still too much for me to spend on a ruckman not even considering his recent injury history. He isn’t a great tap ruckman either like gawn is, his strength is his around the ground work so in that sense he’s a similar type to nankervis.
I think they are hoping that Ryan will be the agile ruckman who will take over from nank long term.
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Still think we need to get on the list a super athletic agile type instead of relying on dinosaurs like big ivan.
Neither cats or swans have great rucks this years best teams over hyped for me the crash and bash ruckman still does his job.
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Still think we need to get on the list a super athletic agile type instead of relying on dinosaurs like big ivan.
Would you have taken Grundy knowing that Pies were paying $300k out if his $900-1kk wage?
I would have.
Doubt we would have had cap room this coming season, 2024 yes but 2023 nope
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WHY CONTRACTED RICHMOND RUCKMAN WASN'T PART OF HOPPER DEAL
By Laurence Rosen
SEN
12 October 2022
Richmond’s GM of Football Talent Blair Hartley has lifted the lid on the “really mature conversations” which took place around Ivan Soldo during the trade period.
Soldo underwent a medical at GWS, having being linked with a move up north as part of the trade to bring Jacob Hopper to Punt Road.
But despite speculation, the contracted Soldo ultimately stayed at Richmond and wasn’t part of the deal.
Hartley was delighted that Soldo is staying put, confirming that as the trade period unfolded, the odds of the Tigers big man leaving grew.
“These sort of deals transpire and we look at all avenues to try and get deals done,” Hartley told AFL Trade Radio’s Trade Exchange.
“Ivan found himself out of the team towards the back end of last year and he turned down a really strong offer from the Western Bulldogs at the end of last season coming off an ACL.
“We just had a really mature conversation with his management (saying) that if Ivan wanted to explore his options, we wouldn’t stand in his way despite having two years to run.
“The longer it went on, we wanted to keep him at Richmond and GWS were in a position to realign their cap and that means he stays at Richmond.
“He is very much a key contributor to us, both on and off the field. We’re delighted he’s staying with and looking forward to what he contributes next season.”
Soldo remains contracted to Richmond until the end of the 2024 season.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/12/why-contracted-richmond-ruckman-wasnt-part-of-hopper-deal/
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Still think we need to get on the list a super athletic agile type instead of relying on dinosaurs like big ivan.
Would you have taken Grundy knowing that Pies were paying $300k out if his $900-1kk wage?
I would have.
Have always liked Grundy as a player and yes he is huge not only at a ruck contest but around the ground and when the ball hits the ground. Imo similar to Nankervis but just better in each area especially the ruck contest.
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Richmond rapt Soldo is staying
At one stage, 2019 premiership ruckman Ivan Soldo appeared to be a chance to depart Tigerland and join the Giants as part of the Hopper deal.
Soldo met with GWS officials in Sydney and did a medical at the club.
In the end, however, the Tigers were able to secure Hopper’s services, and retain those of Soldo, much to their delight.
“We’re happy to keep Ivan . . . he’s a ripper,” Richmond’s general manager of football talent Blair Hartley said on this week’s special post-trade episode of the Club’s podcast, Talking Tigers.
“He was well within his rights to have a look. That’s all part of the process now.
“There’s talk of a five-man interchange (next season) and playing two rucks . . . we’ve toyed with that in the past.
“Ivan got a pretty hefty offer from the Western Bulldogs at the end of last year and we spoke to him about that and, in a roundabout way, convinced him to stay.
“Things didn’t always go to plan (this year). He’s coming off an ACL, which is hard, especially as a big guy.
“So, we’re really excited about what he’s going to bring next year.
“He’s just got a lot more to learn. You look at the best ruckmen and when they hit their prime and it’s right at this age now. He’s hit 26 . . .
“The big boys take time.”
Soldo, who made his AFL debut with Richmond in 2017, has played 49 senior games, including the 2019 Grand Final triumph over GWS, and kicked 16 goals.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1239703/richmond-rapt-soldo-is-staying
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Big Ivan is named in the squad as 1st ruck. Will be his first game since Round 19 last year if he plays.
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Returning ruckman Ivan Soldo would not be intimidated by the prospect of facing in-form Gold Coast captain Jarrod Witts.
“He’s one of those guys, he doesn’t let the pressure of the game get to him that much,” Hardwick said.
“Witts plays high game time, say 85, 90 per cent … (we will consider) how we manage our guys with regard to keeping them fresh going up against one of their best players.”
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/damien-hardwick-plots-tiger-surge-in-second-half-of-afl-season/news-story/f07f5a6711bcebd97f949d4c784de79c).
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As long as he kicks a goal we should win. :cheers
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I am just hoping he get s a kick
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I am just hoping he get s a kick
will probably watch the ball when he drops it
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Big Ivan's 50th game on Sunday.
2017 7
2018 1
2019 14 ..... premiership
2020 14 ..... season ending ACL in round 17
2021 -
2022 13
2023 1*
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Total 50* games
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/I/Ivan_Soldo.html
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In 49 games Ivan Soldo has: 34 wins; 385 disposals; 1018 hit outs; kicked 16.8 for goal, a flag and has captured the heart, mind and soul of Richmond rucks tragics.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_TT/status/1651847858256248832
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Oh dear :facepalm :facepalm
Just remembered how terrible this bloke is :help
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Oh dear :facepalm :facepalm
Just remembered how terrible this bloke is :help
+1
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We just need him to drift forward and kick a goal and we win. Stick him in the goal square for the start of the 3rd, Dimma!
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First game back I'll give him a reprieve
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What a coach killer that pass from 35 was. Moronic.
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Rushing back the oaf.
Maybe not wise.
It doesnt matter anyway.
Full rebuild incoming
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Oh dear :facepalm :facepalm
Just remembered how terrible this bloke is :help
Yes it smacked of desperation rushing him back in but what did people expect he has not played in how long.
Still remains one i have little time for but ffs Ryan and Miller against Witts !!!!!! who for at least the last two seasons has been dominant not just in the ruck.
Im more peeed off with the club playing kids out of their best roles and totally ignoring shocking list needs.
Oh while im at it do people actually ask why we are not kicking scores. Thing is if we continually play mids over natural fwds or refuse to play tall fwds then of course we will fail to kick scores.Can argue that for other areas of the ground as well.
Fmd Sonsie on a wing McIntosh and Short continually butchering the ball and making poo decisions never getting a critique.
Have to ask how many metres gained did poo his pants short have today and how much did he cost us as a flip side.
Yep its not 2017 - 20 anymore the game actually changed big time in 2019.
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That they managed his minutes says (actually bellows) he shouldn't have played
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Lol managed players or not playing like that and against that rabble it is time for people to wake up.
We dont deserve to play finals and today showed why.
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Would have liked him to take that shot he tried to pass to Cotch but honestly what more can you expect from a guy first game in how many months off?
He needs match fitness. Seriously we started the 3rd quarter with Miller rucking against Witts ffs
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We must be desperate to play a follower / on baller with no match fitness who hasn’t played all year without a pre season.
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We must be desperate to play a follower / on baller with no match fitness who hasn’t played all year without a pre season.
Just another example of lowering standards across the board.
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Ivan Soldo made a strong return to Richmond’s line-up in yesterday’s clash with Gold Coast at Marvel Stadium.
The robust ruckman, playing his first game for the year after recovering from plantar fasciitis, finished with 11 disposals, eight contested possessions, five marks, one goal, five score involvements and 14 hit-outs in a restricted 57 per cent time on the ground.
Full article: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1321149/soldo-solid-in-his-comeback
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How did we see Big Ivan's first game back in the AFL side after 11 weeks?
11 disposals (7k, 4h, 6c, 5u, 54.5% eff.)
5 marks (1 contested)
5 tackles (1 F50 tackle)
42 hitouts
4 clearances (2 centre clearances)
2 inside 50s
236 metres gained
1 intercept
7 score involvements
1 goal assist
1 goal
1 behind
75% time on ground
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How did we see Big Ivan's first game back in the AFL side after 11 weeks?
First half was average
2nd half was much better.
Actually thought in the 2nd qtr in particular Miller gave us alot more around the ground because of agility
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Slomo was arse like he always is. :shh
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Interim Richmond coach Andrew McQualter highly praised Soldo’s performance during his post-match press conference.
“I thought Soldo had a really, really big impact on the game,” McQualter said.
“He hasn’t played much footy this year. He had three weeks in-a-row (at VFL level) . . .
“I thought he was really consistent for us.
“Really pleased with his game of footy for him and for our team.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1383086/soldo-stands-tall
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Loved his game and thought he was the clear winner on the day. Looks super fit and agile which was surprising.
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He was very good, worked his way into the game nicely after minimal games lately.
Don't understand the negativity from some people. Soldo was solid.
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He was very good, worked his way into the game nicely after minimal games lately.
Don't understand the negativity from some people. Soldo was solid.
Agree
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He was very good, worked his way into the game nicely after minimal games lately.
Don't understand the negativity from some people. Soldo was solid.
I don't see the positives. He is a total road block in any transition plays we have. Mind you there were tons of others that played that way this week.
Ryan prior to the last few weeks was better so I hope they bring him back.
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At last someone else gets it.... :shh
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He was very good, worked his way into the game nicely after minimal games lately.
Don't understand the negativity from some people. Soldo was solid.
I don't see the positives. He is a total road block in any transition plays we have. Mind you there were tons of others that played that way this week.
Ryan prior to the last few weeks was better so I hope they bring him back.
Sheesh how dare you. What a negative nelly.
Good to see there is a bit of bite and objectivity in old fluffy tiger with teeth.
Only thing id disagree with is while nank is out let Soldo be the chump and take the hits and play Ryan as the second option for now.
Reckon Samson still needs 10kg and the strength and size that goes with it to play # 1 ruck.
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He was very good, worked his way into the game nicely after minimal games lately.
Don't understand the negativity from some people. Soldo was solid.
I don't see the positives. He is a total road block in any transition plays we have. Mind you there were tons of others that played that way this week.
Ryan prior to the last few weeks was better so I hope they bring him back.
Sheesh how dare you. What a negative nelly.
Good to see there is a bit of bite and objectivity in old fluffy tiger with teeth.
Only thing id disagree with is while nank is out let Soldo be the chump and take the hits and play Ryan as the second option for now.
Reckon Samson still needs 10kg and the strength and size that goes with it to play # 1 ruck.
Exactly, and he did a good job of it.
Ryan wouldn't have beaten their rucks as well as Soldo did.
Also most rucks are quite useless in the midfield, Nank is somewhat an exception but it helps that he's <200cm or generally undersized by modern standards.
Soldo stuffed well, ran hard, tackled, chased a bit and jagged a goal.
What more can you ask from a bloke playing his 2nd game of the year due to injury?
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Terrible player.
I think he’s even worse than when I last noticed how terrible he was.
Just an awful waste.
No coincidence we came back into the game in the last quarter when he wasn’t playing ruck.
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Terrible player.
I think he’s even worse than when I last noticed how terrible he was.
Just an awful waste.
No coincidence we came back into the game in the last quarter when he wasn’t playing ruck.
Hmmm yeah his stats look good but we were molested when he was in the euck against Reeves
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7 News Melbourne journalist Mitch Cleary added Richmond premiership ruckman Ivan Soldo could join Grundy in the ruck merry-go-round during the off-season.
Soldo, who drew interest from the Giants last year before ultimately remaining at Richmond, has impressed in recent weeks after being re-called to the Tigers’ senior team due to co-captain Toby Nankervis’ suspension.
The 27-year-old is contracted to Richmond until at least the end of the 2024 season.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2023-nick-daicos-and-josh-daicos-contracts-liam-ryan-hawthorn-brodie-grundy-port-adelaide/news-story/03b68980d4e6a38ac1d2be17dda2073a
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Unbelievable goal
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He has actually been excellent that quarter. He hasn’t left Gawns side and was unlucky not to get a few free kicks also. :clapping
Working his arse off. :clapping :clapping
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He has actually been excellent that quarter. He hasn’t left Gawns side and was unlucky not to get a few free kicks also. :clapping
Working his arse off. :clapping :clapping
Agree. I'm not a fan but he has been good so far today. Long way to go though.
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He has actually been excellent that quarter. He hasn’t left Gawns side and was unlucky not to get a few free kicks also. :clapping
Working his arse off. :clapping :clapping
X2. There was one avg play right at the start on the wing where Gawn got an easy tap out of the back and then he missed the ball while trying to spoil a mark. Otherwise been great on Gawn and his tap work in the middle been great too. Love seeing our mids storm through the middle.
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He needs to focus on the footy more.
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I may have spoke too soon :facepalm :facepalm :pullhair
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First quarter was excellent, but in that 2nd quarter Ivan was focusing too much in the ruck contests on where Gawn's body was rather than watching and going for the ball.
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Did his best punching well above his class. Contained Gawn well enough for 2.5 quarters but the cream inevitably rose to the top.
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Good game. Played his guts out
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Tried his guts out
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Needed help but they Subbed out Miller. Horrendous decision. Possibly the worst ever this year for Richmond. Coach killer Decision and rightfully so.
Good bye Mini. Join Dimma up North.
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Needed help but they Subbed out Miller. Horrendous decision. Possibly the worst ever this year for Richmond. Coach killer Decision and rightfully so.
Good bye Mini. Join Dimma up North.
Nothing to do with Mini, Soldo is not up to it and we have no other options
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Lmao people are actually defending the shyte truck - even saying he had good game? lmao - comfortably w.o.g after Grimes. :shh
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Hang it up boys Dio said he had a crap game, everyone thinking on the contrary is wrong.
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Correct. Listen & learn. :shh
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If I need lessons in arrogance or coming up with childish nicknames of players on my own team and posting them on a public forum I’ll be sure to do so.
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Sorry the discourse on a footy fan forum isn't quite highbrow enough for you petal. Maybe you should've sat with the other mob today. :shh
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Or you know I understand that people can see games differently and don’t present opinions as facts.
Also don’t see the need to pot players on teams I supposedly support beyond saying they had a bad game.
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Good and comparative first quarter but he just isn’t a rucks arse.
He is not the answer and he’s not ever going to be. It’s time we looked outside of the Maric family for a real ruckman.
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Was very good in the first half
Actually beat Gawn but 2nd half especially the final qtr got his pants pulled down
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Was very good in the first half
Actually beat Gawn but 2nd half especially the final qtr got his pants pulled down
Lack of match fitness I'd say
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Or you know I understand that people can see games differently and don’t present opinions as facts.
Also don’t see the need to pot players on teams I supposedly support beyond saying they had a bad game.
Great comment. Some on here sure do present options as facts.I have never thought Soldo was a decent Ruck and for the first quarter and a bit he proved me wrong. But he just wasn't up to it after that to the point that his direct opponent had such a influence I would call him a game winner. Nank and Ryan over him anyday for me.
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Just a very average player and when the whips got cracking it got showed up.
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There are plenty of average players in the AFL. In all teams including premiership ones.
Average players can also play roles that win matches. I get the sense that Soldo did this for a half yesterday.
What I don’t understand was swinging Balta up forward.
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I agree with the Soldo selection against Gawn we needed a mature ruckman to go against him.He is not the future though. Imo he never has been.
Nankervis is our #1 ruckman and coming back from holiday. Play Nank drop ivan and pick Ryan as the second ruck and third tall fwd.
Riewoldt is being slaughtered without adequate tall help so Ryan kills two birds with one stone id be hoping they also play Bauer who is no dinosaur
he moves well is a decent height and takes a good mark.
Its laughable that they think it better to play blokes like Mansell, Baker, Graham and Pickett who has stunk it up as a fwd since being moved off a wing where he was playing great footy.
The trouble for Hardwick and now McQualter is if they play natural fwds like Bauer and second ruck/fwd Ryan along with the likes of Cumberland, Bolton, Clarke even Coulthard then favorites have to miss out. They steadfastly refuse to make hard decisions. Going in with dysfunctional fwd halfs week after week and its promising kids missing out.
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When Gawn started dominating, Nank would've at least been smart enough to start infringing and give away frees to hold up the play and give our defence a chance to set up. :shh
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There are plenty of average players in the AFL. In all teams including premiership ones.
Average players can also play roles that win matches. I get the sense that Soldo did this for a half yesterday.
What I don’t understand was swinging Balta up forward.
Balta and his buddies down back had one of the worst combined performances from a key defender group I’ve seen. The goal he kicked when he went forward was better than anything he was doing down back.
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That they did.
I just don’t think Balta is a guy who you swap around.
Dees don’t do it with Lever or May.
I like that.
Balta also doesn’t strike me as a footy nufftie so swapping him around probably will more likely confuse him than help us
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First half was great but playing against one of the greatest was a tall order.
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First half was great but playing against one of the greatest was a tall order.
He got a jolly good rogering and it was embarrasing in the end.
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Not fit enough to run out the game after injury, should have been rested more in the forward line to at least compete .
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Marvel, pairedwith Nank against Footscray was always going to be the perfect storm for a demonstration of what a slow and utterly useless lump this bloke is and so it was. Couldn't even belt Libba properly ffs. :shh
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No good get rid of him.
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If only he kicked a goal. We would have won
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Think that streak ended against Gold Coast. So he doesn't even have that now. :shh
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Playing this guy proves that the club has failed in both recruiting and development.
It’s ok to top up with a project player when you’re winning premierships and have salary cap restraints but we just keep playing this dud over and over.
It’s embarrassing watching him.
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Playing this guy proves that the club has failed in both recruiting and development.
It’s ok to top up with a project player when you’re winning premierships and have salary cap restraints but we just keep playing this dud over and over.
It’s embarrassing watching him.
Why Ryan is not playing and getting experience is a joke.
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Said this many times today.
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Should be drooped for his petulant display on the bench when he was subbed out
***should never have been selected in the 1st place, especially at Marvel
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Get games into Ryan.
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Lol at this muppett.
Been very obvious almost from the day he stepped thru the doors that he was, well just plain ordinary.
Yet here we are stuck with him for another season next year because the list management has become shizen.
Just my opinion but the three pillars for success have been atrocious over the last 4 years. Recruiting, List management and development.
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Utterly useless and a complete liability at Marvel. :thumbsdown
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Sampson as our backup next year. Trade out Soldo while we can still get a return.
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If he hadn't played in a successful era we'd be mentioning him in the same breath as Patto, Gus, Browne, X-Man & Hamspud..... :shh
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Why Mini Why?
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Sampson as our backup next year. Trade out Soldo while we can still get a return.
Well let's be honest we tried, GWS wanted him and he wouldn't go
Perhaps after being subbed today and clearly not being happy about it he will see the writing on the wall
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5 scoring shots is the most Ivan has ever had in his 56 games career (previous best was 3).
9 disposals (7k, 2h, 6k, 4u, 55.6% eff.)
5 marks (2 contested)
2 tackles
3 clearances (1 centre clearance)
2 inside 50s
15 hitouts
247 metres gained
1 intercept
9 score involvements
2 goals
3 behinds
71% time on ground
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He was great.
Very physical.
Loved it. Needs to be the new standard.
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Best game I've seen him play. Someone got into his ear that's for sure.
IMO he stays. Only because once again just like the Jack Situation, if nank goes down who is doing our ruck? Samson and who else?
Cupboard is very bare so soldo stays for another year as back up.
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First off going to acknowledge a pretty decent game.
Trouble is ive seen enough to suggest that was just an abberation and most things lead to that. Lets ask 1 good game over a big body of work dating back how many years.Or the overall body of work over 1 good game.
To be honest i just cannot see him ever being a good consistent player in enough areas. Personally i think Ryan has it all over him just needs to keep building.
If Ivan is traded say. Then of course we target a young ruckman well if im honest we target 2 ruckmen because how on earth can anyone continue with Colina given those circumstances.
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Soldo going nowhere – for now
Jon Ralph, Glenn McFarlane and Jay Clark
HeraldSun
26 September 2023 6:45pm
Richmond is keen to hold onto Ivan Soldo despite Port Adelaide’s interest in him as a ruckman to play alongside Jordan Sweet.
Soldo battled plantar fascia issues this season but his form was strong playing the last seven games of the year in a row.
The Power has delisted ruckman Brynn Teakle and, while it has offered Scott Lycett another year, footy boss Chris Davies said last week he was banged up and pondering retirement.
That is unlikely, with the Roos, St Kilda, Geelong and Essendon all needing a back-up ruckman.
But Richmond has no intention of releasing Soldo, given it has only young rucks Samson Ryan and Ben Miller under co-captain Todd Nankervis.
He comes out of contract next year but they could still trade him then so aren’t inclined to let him go.
Under new coach Adem Yze, the Tigers will need to get a trade deal done for Hawthorn’s Jacob Koschitzke, who has asked for a trade to Punt Road.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-2023-all-the-latest-news-and-intel-ahead-of-the-exchange-period/news-story/6374b24c39242696639f5748372adf76
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"I think Richmond want to retain him, but I dare say he will get to Port Adelaide next year."
- @JoshGabelich on Ivan Soldo
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1709362020297175098
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Port 'more than open' to welcoming Tigers ruckman
The Power have confirmed they are interested in Tigers ruckman Ivan Soldo
By Michael Whiting
afl.com.au
5 October 2023
PORT Adelaide football boss Chris Davies says if Ivan Soldo wants to leave Richmond, the door is open at Alberton.
Speaking on Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio, Davies reaffirmed Port's desire to chase key defenders Esava Ratugolea and Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, and also made no secret of the fact it wanted to bolster its ruck stocks.
Out-of-contract Western Bulldog Jordon Sweet has already expressed his desire to join Ken Hinkley's team, but Davies said the club would be "more than open" to Soldo coming as well.
"Ivan's in that situation where … he wants to be a first ruck," Davies said.
"Whether he's going to be able to do that at his existing club is a question he needs to answer himself.
"We definitely have a need in that area and if he was in a situation where he wanted to leave Richmond, then we would be more than open to him coming.
"We need a genuine No.1 ruckman, so we're in the market for that type of player."
Soldo is contracted with the Tigers until the end of 2024.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1048696/port-adelaide-more-than-open-to-welcoming-richmond-tigers-ruckman-ivan-soldo
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"I think Ivan Soldo stays at Richmond now. My latest information is that he isn't going anywhere."
- Sam Edmund
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1709758837924970543
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Cool - another trade period of sitting on our hands and overrating the list while we hang on to plodders until they're worth nothing. :clapping
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"I think Ivan Soldo stays at Richmond now. My latest information is that he isn't going anywhere."
- Sam Edmund
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1709758837924970543
Playing hard to get, I like it.
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Cool - another trade period of sitting on our hands and overrating the list while we hang on to plodders until they're worth nothing. :clapping
Port obviously not prepared to pay up so they can FRO.
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It comes as the Tigers told Port Adelaide it does not have enough trade assets to make a play for Ivan Soldo.
Soldo is contracted to the Tigers until next year and while he only played eight games this year given plantar fascia issues he was selected when fit and available.
This masthead revealed Port Adelaide’s interest in Soldo last month to team up with new Western Bulldogs acquisition Jordon Sweet and the Tigers’ determination to keep him.
Port Adelaide football boss Chris Davies made clear the club’s interest in Soldo had not waned on Thursday.
But Richmond wants to play two rucks, believes 27-year-old Soldo has a long-term future past his current deal, and is aware the Power has few draft picks to hand over.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-2023-all-the-latest-news-and-whispers-ahead-of-the-exchange-period/news-story/b11263851aa7e15f5c25ad4db534e5c7
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They have 38 & 44.
Both likely to slip a few spots at least but it's worth considering if they're dumb enough to trade both to us so we can package 38+44+45 to GCS for something.
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Either the club is keeping their cards close to their chest, or they feel that nank is on the decline which IMO he is. His last 2 years have been rubbish for a so called leader.
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Either the club is keeping their cards close to their chest, or they feel that nank is on the decline which IMO he is. His last 2 years have been rubbish for a so called leader.
Cmon FJ there is another possible scenario here. They just don't rate 23 yo Samson Ryan.
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Either the club is keeping their cards close to their chest, or they feel that nank is on the decline which IMO he is. His last 2 years have been rubbish for a so called leader.
Cmon FJ there is another possible scenario here. They just don't rate 23 yo Samson Ryan.
Claw- they do rate Ryan. Sell Soldo for the best draft selection we can obtain is my view as we have Nank, Ryan, Miller and Kosi who can play ruck.
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THE TRADES UNLIKELY TO OCCUR
Ivan Soldo (Richmond)
Where is he going: Port Adelaide are keen. Richmond are keen to hold him and say they would only trade him for an excellent pick they know the Power don’t have.
What does it mean: Port’s first pick this year is 38, they will split their future picks on this year’s trades. So given the Richmond hard line he probably stays.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/trade-hq/going-staying-in-limbo-30-names-in-jon-ralphs-afl-trade-and-free-agency-primer/news-story/4838a021c39bf907b7db4a3be5535f5a
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Keep him IMO.
If/when Nank goes down we will struggle with Ryan + Miller/Kosi relief.
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Soldo is shyte - Ryan's already a better ruck... :shh
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Soldo is shyte - Ryan's already a better ruck... :shh
If he can put on 5-10kg over summer that would be nice
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Hmm we want a good pick well if it cant be a good pick this year why not a future pick. ffs we are in for the long haul as far as rebuild goes and i fear while he has currency we should make off like thieves.
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Port Adelaide remain interested in Richmond big-man Ivan Soldo
The only way (currently) a trade would go through is if Soldo requests a trade, as the Tigers wish to keep him
@tommorris32 via @SENBreakfast
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeHub/status/1711176166382649441
-On Port’s interest in Ivan Soldo, Blair Hartley said: “Look, Ivan’s contracted. We’re intent on keeping him. So that’s where it sits at the moment. We haven’t had any conversations with Port Adelaide.”
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/trade-hq/afl-trade-2023-all-the-trade-news-whispers-from-the-opening-day-of-trade-period/news-story/257a2d40be8458e9c8d105d2450c29de
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He was drafted in 2014 as a cat b rookie. We have had him 9 years and got just 57 games out of him. He will be 28 almost at the start of next year.
The consensus of MOST tiger supporters over the years was he was a spud. Every year as far as stats go he has been bloody awful which basically backs up peoples views.The aside is he has had a few very short periods where he has actually played to the level.
Seems finding any sort of decent talls to replace chronic underachievers remains a big problem at the club.
Personally i cannot work out what P/A see in him all i can say is they must be terribly desperate for a ruckman.
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"Soldo has an interest in getting to Port Adelaide. Richmond are holding firm though."
- Cal Twomey on Ivan Soldo
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1711922717203812476
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Twomey asked if Port's future second rounder would get the Soldo deal done.
Beveridge replied that that may begin to twist Richmond's arm, but Richmond may still say no at least initially as we would need to bring in a replacement ruckman and it may be too late to do the due diligence.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1711939687315558722
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RICHMOND
Ivan Soldo – The ruck’s move to Port Adelaide is looking less and less likely and he hasn’t made any public proclamation yet. The Power have plenty on their plate.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/trade-hq/afl-trades-2023-follow-every-move-and-whisper-on-day-four-of-the-trade-period/news-story/751cbd943612b4472f6c6fc4a972c6ed
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We can’t play both soldo and nank in the same team imo. So what’s the point in keeping him.. back up?
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Wouldn't you just go.
Duursma to Bombers for pick 30
Soldo for pick 30
Gives us 28 & 30.
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We can’t play both soldo and nank in the same team imo. So what’s the point in keeping him.. back up?
Back up is basically what he is, isn't it? He got more games this year because Lynch was missing and we needed some sort of height up forward, so we went with the dual ruck combo. But if Nank is fit and/or unsuspended for a moment and Lynch is playing, I don't think Soldo gets a game. If Port Adelaide are saying he'd be no 1 ruck, surely he'd take that.
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We can’t play both soldo and nank in the same team imo. So what’s the point in keeping him.. back up?
Back up is basically what he is, isn't it? He got more games this year because Lynch was missing and we needed some sort of height up forward, so we went with the dual ruck combo. But if Nank is fit and/or unsuspended for a moment and Lynch is playing, I don't think Soldo gets a game. If Port Adelaide are saying he'd be no 1 ruck, surely he'd take that.
I agree, his best interests to go for dure. Id like to keep biggie if soldo goes though
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"I don't think Richmond are going to allow this to happen. He would like to get there, he is still contracted at Richmond. A lot to play out with Ivan Soldo."
- Josh Gabelich on Ivan Soldo
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1712270357858865277
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Thought some of his performances at the end of the year were better.
Kicked 2.3 vs North I think including a ripper mark and some great physicality. Unfortunately that's not the standard but rather his season highlight. If he was like that every week it would be great.
Pick 30 this year is supposedly worthless so we may as well keep him. Nank is guaranteed to get injured and Lynch is either going to have a delayed start to '24 or will get injured too.
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"Weirdly enough, the Dogs may just be able to retain someone they didn't want to lose in Jordan Sweet."
- Damian Barrett on Jordon Sweet possibly staying at Whitten Oval
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1712320717503754662
If true, Port may go harder for Soldo.
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Well said. 😁
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Ivan Soldo
Port Adelaide remains interested in bringing Richmond premiership ruckman Soldo to the club as well as Western Bulldogs big man Jordon Sweet, and Soldo also remains interested in going. But so far Richmond has blocked any move on Soldo departing with a year to run on his contract at Punt Road. Would a future second-round pick tempt the Tigers?
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1052352/so-many-deals-so-little-time-which-trades-will-get-done-before-deadline
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Is Ivan Soldo staying at Tigerland?
Soldo has attracted interest in the past few seasons from various clubs but ultimately has stayed at Richmond. He is contracted, but could he see a chance to become Port Adelaide’s No.1 ruckman as an appetising incentive? But Richmond is desperate to keep him – and intends to. It would take a strong expression from Soldo that he wants to leave to change this.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/trade-hq/afl-trade-all-the-big-news-deals-to-be-done-as-wednesday-deadline-nears/news-story/4e34ab20affd0672d5768691f6adda7e
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How about pick 29 and Soldo for their pick 25 and 41.we can then offer 41 for Kosckitzke.
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How about pick 29 and Soldo for their pick 25 and 41.we can then offer 41 for Kosckitzke.
Like it but they have to get the Zerk-Thatcher deal done and may need 25 for that seeing the Duursma deal is on a slow drip at the moment
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How about pick 29 and Soldo for their pick 25 and 41.we can then offer 41 for Kosckitzke.
Agreed Crawski. Something like that makes sense.
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How about pick 29 and Soldo for their pick 25 and 41.we can then offer 41 for Kosckitzke.
Agreed Crawski. Something like that makes sense.
Agree, not a bad deal.
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That's a crap deal for me. Pick 25 for Soldo only not our 29 involved. Go to the draft with 25 and 29 and give hawks a third round. Time to get tough not always nice.
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There’s been a renewed push from contracted @Richmond_FC ruck Ivan Soldo & his management to seek a trade to @PAFC.
The Tigers are holding firm, telling him he’s required after floating him to GWS last year. Port will bring in Jordon Sweet regardless.
https://twitter.com/tommorris32/status/1713710249029599538
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"I think this is the developing story over the next few days, it's been bubbling away for a while and it has taken some further steps along on the weekend."
- Tom Morris on Ivan Soldo moving to Port Adelaide
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1713737585703707119
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"He is keen to get there, Port Adelaide is keen to get him there as well. It is going to come down to Richmond's persistence to keep him. We wait and see, Richmond haven't budged on this one yet."
- Cal Twomey on the Ivan Soldo situation
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1713734913990771069
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"We know Port Adelaide are after him, we know that he wants to go to Port Adelaide, we know Richmond are holding firm. But, how much lingering discontent is there can we read into that motivates Ivan Soldo."
- Sam Edmund
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1713738038977966577
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RICHMOND HOLDING FIRM AS SOLDO AND HIS MANAGEMENT PUSH FOR PORT ADELAIDE MOVE
Lachlan Geleit
SEN
16 October 2023
SEN news breakers Tom Morris and Sam Edmund expect the potential Ivan Soldo to Port Adelaide trade to continue developing over the next couple of days.
Morris says that the Richmond ruckman, who has one year remaining on his contract at Punt Road, has pushed further for a move to Alberton across the weekend.
Edmund confirmed that Port Adelaide wants the player and that Soldo wants to move to the club, but Richmond is currently holding form.
The duo discussed where discussions over the future of the 27-year-old premiership player sit and attempted to shine a light on the dealings and major players behind the scenes of the touted move.
Morris: “I think this is the developing story over the next couple of days now.
“It's been bubbling away for a while, and it's taken some further steps along on the weekend.”
Edmund: “I'll tell you what I've heard, and you might be able to flesh it out, put a bit more jam in the donut so to speak.
“We know Port Adelaide are after him. We know that we know that he wants to go to Port Adelaide. We know that Richmond are holding firm.
“But how much lingering - if I can call it - discontent maybe, can we read into the fact that that it motivates Ivan Soldo? If you rewind 12 months, he nearly went to GWS. He went up there, he toured, he did the medical.
“Then he had two years to go. Now he's got one year to go. How much discontent is there lingering in the Ivan Soldo camp from last year's failed move.”
Morris: “It exists. It's there. Only Ivan Soldo would be able to answer to what degree it's leading to him wanting out now.
“But there's been developments over the weekend whereby he and his manager Peter Lenton have spoken to Blair Hartley (general manager of football talent) at Richmond, and they are trying to push him to Port Adelaide. But it's not getting done because Richmond is holding firm.
“The Tigers are saying, ‘You're a contracted player’, he’s saying, ‘I was a contracted player last year and you tried to push me to the Giants, and I was open to it because you wanted me to be’.
“The Giants said no for two reasons. One was money, the second was they were not sure that his knee would be able to hold up.
“In the end, it proved to be the right call given how well Kieren Briggs played this year.”
Edmund: “He's on somewhere around $400k to $450k a season.”
Morris: “The Ivan Soldo to Port Adelaide trade is something that Port has been trying to push for a while.
“But because he's contracted - a bit like Adelaide with Harrison Petty - the player needs to be really forceful.
“I'm told over the last 48 hours the player and his manager have been more forceful. But even then, they can be as forceful as they want.
“If Blair Hartley and Adem Yze are saying no, that's it.”
Soldo has played 57 games for the Tigers since making his debut in the 2017 season.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/10/16/richmond-holding-firm-as-soldo-and-his-management-push-for-port-adelaide/
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When Soldo got right after plantar fascia issues he played three VFL games to get fit then seven AFL games. Five of them alongside Nankervis. Tigers accepting a future second or something similar doesn't help Adem Yze. When they can still trade him next year for something similar.
By no means is he untouchable but Richmond would be interested in Lord or Georgiades who aren't going anywhere. Or an early pick this year. And Port needs 25 for Ratugolea and one or 41 or 49 for Jordon Sweet.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1713742548769116258
Correction: Soldo is an unrestricted free agent next year.
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25 for Rat is a joke
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Richmond’s Ivan Soldo requests a trade but the Tigers hold firm on the contracted ruckman.
Soldo battled plantar fascia issues early in the season but after a trio of VFL games mid-year he played seven late-season games in the senior side.
Most of those were alongside co-captain Toby Nankervis, with Richmond stressing to Soldo he has a long-term future at the club despite his demand to get to the Power.
Port Adelaide has picks 25, 41 and 49, and has its own second-round pick and the Fremantle second-round pick next year.
So the Power could offer a 2024 second-rounder for Soldo but at this stage Richmond is adamant it will keep him, even if he departs as an unrestricted free agent next year.
- Jon Ralph
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-port-adelaide-and-essendon-meet-over-brandon-zerkthatcher-and-xavier-duursma-deal/news-story/083c320034cfeae1048a447d9cd40e90
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Soldo’s move away from Tigerland
Richmond ruckman Ivan Soldo remains a key part of Port Adelaide’s trade plans despite the Tigers continuing to hold firm in their desire to keep the contracted premiership player.
The Power have conceded a deal on Soldo could be difficult to reach.
Soldo, 27, featured in only eight senior games for Richmond this year after battling injury through the first half of the season.
He has a desire to become a No. 1 ruck, but has played second-fiddle to captain Toby Nankervis at the Tigers in recent years.
“Richmond have been pretty steadfast since the start of the period that they didn’t want to lose him,” Port Adelaide football boss Chris Davies said.
“That makes things much harder when a player is under contract. But Ivan is in a situation where he wants to take hold of his career. He wants to be a No. 1 ruck somewhere.
“It’s probably time, if he is going to become a number one ruck at a club. It’s unlikely going to be at Richmond in the short term. So he wants to leave Richmond, but equally we know that they hold a whip hand in the sense that he’s a contracted player.”
Port Adelaide is hoping to secure Soldo for a second-round pick in either this year or next year’s draft.
“It doesn’t really matter what draft picks you’ve got you know unless Richmond are willing to let him go to this point that hasn’t been the case despite the fact that you know he’s wanted to leave,” Davies said on Trade Radio.
“We want to get these deals done and we’re going to have to work through that.”
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-period-follow-all-the-latest-news-and-deals-from-day-seven-of-the-exchange-period/news-story/aa101ccce8a50183495193b09a0e5b81
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I'm all for seeing the back of soldo, but what is left is a captain who doesn't stay on the park, and Ryan who should raw and should be our first choice ruck soon.
Lose both of them and who do we have if soldo departs?
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Callum Twomey on the platform formerly known as Twitter @ 9am
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"Richmond premiership winner Ivan Soldo will be traded to Port Adelaide today. A future second-rounder and pick 41 will head to Richmond as well as a swap of other selections. The deal is agreed. @AFLcomau @traderadio"
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I am moderately happy with that deal.
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Don't give hawks 41 through .
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41 in a weak draft for Kozi seems fair to me.
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If it’s soldo for kosi then I’m happy with that.
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If it’s soldo for kosi then I’m happy with that.
What? We ain’t giving pick 41 and a F2 for Kosi. They’ll get pick 50 and that’s it
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P41 and F2 is a good deal IMO. We'd be mad not to take it if he wants out.
Can sign a mature ruck in the SSP or PSD if we need to.
I'm all for seeing the back of soldo, but what is left is a captain who doesn't stay on the park, and Ryan who should raw and should be our first choice ruck soon.
Lose both of them and who do we have if soldo departs?
Ryan and Miller I guess. Kosi can ruck a little but you'd hate to not have a mature big guy.
Balta?
Forward could be Lynch, Kosi etc.
Back could be Young, ageing Grimes, Gibcus maybe 2nd half of the year.
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Apparently a done deal:
Soldo + 50 to Port
We get 41 + 49, Freo's 2024 R2 and Ports 2024 R4.
IMO we have made out like bandits here.
Freo '24 P2 could be 25ish in a deeper draft.
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:clapping fantastic deal for us and good luck to the big fella.
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Apparently a done deal:
Soldo + 50 to Port
We get 41 + 49, Freo's 2024 R2 and Ports 2024 R4.
IMO we have made out like bandits here.
Freo '24 P2 could be 25ish in a deeper draft.
We’ve shafted Port Radelaide. Sucked in Karen Cornes you campaigner
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……and we are trolling Whorethorn. They must have asked for a pick in the 40s so we got them 49…..LOL
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Apparently a done deal:
Soldo + 50 to Port
We get 41 + 49, Freo's 2024 R2 and Ports 2024 R4.
IMO we have made out like bandits here.
Freo '24 P2 could be 25ish in a deeper draft.
Very good deal for us
A future 2nd round pick is a bit of a bonus TBH
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……and we are trolling Whorethorn. They must have asked for a pick in the 40s so we got them 49…..LOL
LOL
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The Ivan Soldo situation turned around quite quickly.
- Twomey & Beveridge.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1714457220010881279
Twomey says it's effectively Soldo for 3 picks as 49/50 pretty much cancel out. So Soldo for pick 41, F2 & F4.
Twomey also wonders if we now go to the free agency market to pick up a cheap back-up ruck like Port's Scott Lycett (203cm), Brynn Teakle (204cm), Sam Hayes (203cm), or someone from the state leagues.
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Good result.
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Put simply we need more talls. Lost Bradtke, biggie and now soldo. Ryan doesn’t look up to it and kosi isn’t a ruckman although he could play backup. Ryan is literally our only tall developing in the vfl.
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Put simply we need more talls. Lost Bradtke, biggie and now soldo. Ryan doesn’t look up to it and kosi isn’t a ruckman although he could play backup. Ryan is literally our only tall developing in the vfl.
Are you serious, Ryan doesn't look up to it . Bollocks.. We played our best footy when he rucked.. once his body fills out and gets some muscle mass on him he will become a damn good dangerous ruck that can also play forward. We won more clearances when he rucked. Nank and Soldo were our problem not Ryan
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General Manager – Football Talent, Blair Hartley said “Ivan worked tirelessly during his 10 years at Richmond to go from a rookie to a premiership player.
“During his time at the club he showed great commitment and professionalism and is a much-loved teammate.
“We thank Ivan for his contribution to our club and we wish him well in his future endeavours.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1453761/soldo-traded-to-port-adelaide
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Put simply we need more talls. Lost Bradtke, biggie and now soldo. Ryan doesn’t look up to it and kosi isn’t a ruckman although he could play backup. Ryan is literally our only tall developing in the vfl.
Are you serious, Ryan doesn't look up to it . Bollocks.. We played our best footy when he rucked.. once his body fills out and gets some muscle mass on him he will become a damn good dangerous ruck that can also play forward. We won more clearances when he rucked. Nank and Soldo were our problem not Ryan
His hitouts are great, but thats literally it. Offered nothing around the ground and was completely useless at ground level.
Averaged 7 disposals, 2.8 marks and less than a tackle a game..
Nank: 16.7 disposals, 2,4 marks and 5.4 tackles
Soldo: 10 disposals, 3.8 marks, 3.75 tackles
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LMAO - Ryan will be streets better than both ....some of his ruckwork when Nank & Slomo were both out was of the highest quality we've seen at Richmond since Snakeman's one half-decent year with us in '08 and arguably this century (no Ottens wasn't a good ruckman until he went to Geelong) - also quicker and far more agile than Nank & Slomo (not hard I know) :shh
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I actually think Samson looks more relaxed and confident when he gets to be 1st ruck. Build his tank and fill him out asap and we might have a handy player
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He had his limitations, but for a cat B rookie to play in a premiership and then get a return of 3 picks for him, id say that his pickup was a great success.
Good luck to the big man. Hopefully port supporters are more easy on him than the Richmond ones were.
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Wish him the best. Can understand why he left. Played his part in the 2019 premiership.
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Port are going to have a bloody slow side next year....and a new coach by the end of it I suspect.... :shh
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Port are going to have a bloody slow side next year....and a new coach by the end of it I suspect.... :shh
Yep, their trade period as show ponies up there with the Hawks and Bombers as being all tip and no iceberg….
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LMAO - Ryan will be streets better than both ....some of his ruckwork when Nank & Slomo were both out was of the highest quality we've seen at Richmond since Snakeman's one half-decent year with us in '08 and arguably this century (no Ottens wasn't a good ruckman until he went to Geelong) - also quicker and far more agile than Nank & Slomo (not hard I know) :shh
Think a bit of recency bias on nank there. He has been below his best the past 2-3 seasons sure, but he was an absolute beast and extremely important in our dynasty years. To say Ryan will be streets better than him is going too early imo. He looks promising in his ruck work, sure, but his around the ground stuff is poor. We all hope this will improve as he grows into his body but it’s far from a sure thing. And if it doesn’t improve in that regard, he’ll get nowhere near to being the player nank was. Rucks the most overrated position in the league, you can get away with them just being competitive in ruck contests, can’t get away with them providing very little around the ground though.
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I think the assertion we’re all making is Ryan will be better than bank’s recent form not Ryan will surpass bank’s heights.
I don’t think any one doubts how good he was around the ground, contested marking and goal kicking was in our dynasty years
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Thanks Ivan Soldo. Wishing you the best but honestly wish you had stayed. Anyway cheers and good luck but not against the Tigers.
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I'll miss the big fella.
Met him at Doncaster once at a great restaurant called Miss Pings, with Markov and another 1-2 I forget.
Really nice guy. Gentle giant.
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That knee injury really stalled his career .
I don’t think he’ll ever be first ruck but he he’ll be useful for Port .
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Well hes gone and i still maintain he had too many deficiencies. Good tap ruckman but lacking in most other areas.
Reckon we made off like thieves in this deal.
Big Ivan sheesh 10 years in the system just 58 games still not a good mark and poor kick. Consistently few disposals and consistently been a battler.
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But when he kicked a goal we would win
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I am just glad I dont have to watch him on game day fumbling and bumbling his way through a footy match
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I am just glad I dont have to watch him on game day fumbling and bumbling his way through a footy match
Except when we play Port and it'll be far more enjoyable to watch.... :shh
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I am just glad I dont have to watch him on game day fumbling and bumbling his way through a footy match
Except when we play Port and it'll be far more enjoyable to watch.... :shh
True that
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Cue kane cornes frothing at Soldo and how he’s the second coming of Polly farmer
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I am just glad I dont have to watch him on game day fumbling and bumbling his way through a footy match
And that’s just handling his water bottle.
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Richmond traded Ivan Soldo to Port Adelaide late in the trade period, having finally relented after his plea to release him to be the Power’s No.1 ruckman.
The Tigers believed he would have departed as an unrestricted free agent next year and likely only secured them second-round compensation in return.
Instead, they traded him for pick 41 and Fremantle’s future second-round selection, and will immediately bring Naismith back in as cover.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-delisted-free-agency-period-richmond-to-sign-former-sydney-ruckman-sam-naismith/news-story/c4796a53b57b68aaf0db56dc8db0901d
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(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/SoldoFarewell2023.png)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzOBP50pRvO/?g=5&img_index=1
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I hope he does really well over there. Good luck big Ivvy
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This thread should be closed for any postings/pics of Soldo unless his missus is in them
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Ha ha
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THE REASON SOLDO PUSHED FOR PORT TRADE DESPITE RICHMOND’S WISH TO RETAIN HIM
By Lachlan Geleit
SEN
4 Feb 2024
New Port Adelaide ruckman Ivan Soldo has revealed why he pursued a move to Alberton from Richmond last trade period.
Soldo played 57 games in the yellow and black from 2015 to 2023 - including the 2019 premiership - but was often behind captain Toby Nankervis in the ruck pecking order.
That turned out to be the main reason behind Soldo’s wish to depart the club with the 27-year-old pushing for a chance to be first-choice at Port Adelaide despite Richmond wanting to retain his services.
“It was the decision my management and I decided would be the best move for me considering the circumstances I was under, and Port Adelaide were under,” Soldo explained on SEN Sportsday SA.
“We decided that the move over would be the best thing for my career to hopefully get some success over here.
“It was an interesting point with Richmond, the head coach ‘Dimma’ (Damien Hardwick) had left and there were a few blokes retiring.
“Obviously, there was communication from Richmond throughout the trade period that they wanted to retain me, but with the discussions my manager and I had across the year, we were always looking elsewhere to see if another opportunity could come my way.
“When it eventually came down to it, it was that this would be the best move for me.
“We got to that decision, it took a while, but we got there.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/02/04/the-reason-soldo-pushed-for-port-trade-despite-richmonds-wish-to-retain-him/
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There's only Sweet 26yo 11 games and a kid Vilenti Visenti or something who is developing at 21 and just 3 games.. He Ivan should be playing most games but i wouldnt mind betting the kid goes past both him and Sweet.
I suppose Ivan has always been servicable at the ruck contest but what a liability he has been in just about every other thing he did on the field.
I suppose they just need a ruckman who can get it to Rozee and Butters because they for sure are not inside hard ball winners.
Whilst on Port reckon they seriously lack quality small/medium forwards, rucks and a serious lack of depth in mids,yes they have a few gooduns here especially rozee but they lack mids especially big inside mids especially if Wines continues his downward slide.
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Soldo had one of his best games last night but what was with the woman who was part of Soldo's little group in the Port rooms during BT's Roaming Brian. She was yelling at the camera "How does that feel now Richmond?" Made little sense as it was Ivan who decided to leave.
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Video MT?
I can't believe a fool would say that.
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She was Defs drunk.
But to answer her question, it feels pretty good.
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She was Defs drunk.
But to answer her question, it feels pretty good.
haha yep, had a few text me about it this morning.
how does 3 flags feel u dumb mole.
April specialists Port.
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10 disposals and a goal ? lookout....
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DUMB footballer.
Sometimes makes me think this game is pretty pretty simple if these maladroit beanstalk footy clodpoll types can just waltz into a club and get games handed to them on a platter. Especially those who didn't play the game as a kid ie. Cox, Soldo, Holmes etc.
That's why I look at the Ryan Sampson's of the competition and think how the heck can't you make it if Cox and Soldo are gettting regular games! It just highlights how useless and laggard players like Sampson end up being.
Think about it, if your 200+ cm, all you need to do to make it as an AFL player is to be at least as good as Soldo :rollin
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Video MT?
https://twitter.com/JourneyRichmond/status/1776370223765135631
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She was Defs drunk.
But to answer her question, it feels pretty good.
Blind drunk and a head like a horses arse
Good luck to her, Soldo and the rest of the posse
Putrid at best
And before any do-gooders attack me , she shoved her ugly head in front of the camera and made a drunken fool of herself .. make your bed, lie in it
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thanks for the clip and just as i suspected. What a head she has on her. Northern suburbs Lalor special that one.
soldo didnt shut her down either :shh
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thanks for the clip and just as i suspected. What a head she has on her. Northern suburbs Lalor special that one.
soldo didnt shut her down either :shh
Yep
Utterly embarrassing
And not just her , the whole lot of em
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23 hitouts
12 to advantage
5 clearances
Averaging a goal per game.
Honestly he's a decent player and I'm happy for him.
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I love big Ivvy and am very happy for him but honestly that midfield he is feeding is making half his hit outs look much better than what they are.
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Just watched the video again
Convinced the loud mouth feral thing was born a bloke
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thanks for the clip and just as i suspected. What a head she has on her. Northern suburbs Lalor special that one.
soldo didnt shut her down either :shh
Yep
Utterly embarrassing
And not just her , the whole lot of em
I thought Soldo looked embarrassed TBH
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She wasn't his partner, I'm guessing as the brother thought it was hilarious was either a sister or cousin. She looked like a Soldo.
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She wasn't his partner, I'm guessing as the brother thought it was hilarious was either a sister or cousin. She looked like a Soldo.
“He looked like a Soldo”
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Even BT seemed embarrassed :o
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Just watched the video again
Convinced the loud mouth feral thing was born a bloke
:lol :rollin
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Just watched the video again
Convinced the loud mouth feral thing was born a bloke
Lucky you said that here and not on a footy field, AFL would have suspended you for 8 weeks and forced you to do a transgender alphabet training and acceptance course lol
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Just watched the video again
Convinced the loud mouth feral thing was born a bloke
Lucky you said that here and not on a footy field, AFL would have suspended you for 8 weeks and forced you to do a transgender alphabet training and acceptance course lol
Not necessarily
They would probably give me credit for being LGBQTSCGTZ+ aware , or whatever it is
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:rollin
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Uh oh. Maybe we really are as bad as WCE