One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 25, 2014, 10:09:49 PM
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Lethal on Ch 7 saying 3 weeks. Carey saying more than that.
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what will Cox get?
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Cox l get nothing. A looooong history of initiators dont get suspended I n the AFL
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He'll cop 4
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Hopefully not more than 3 weeks
Commend him for hitting him back, people complain he doesnt show enough mongrel... well there you go
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At the hockey tonight all they got was 5mins for punching on.
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Three, plus his loading. Early plea may keep it under four.
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Hopefully not more than 3 weeks
Commend him for hitting him back, people complain he doesnt show enough mongrel... well there you go
Gave me half a ;D
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At the hockey tonight all they got was 5mins for punching on.
Those girls can be pretty vicious.
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4 -6.
Actually wasn't a whole lot different to Hall/Staker.
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3, if his jaw is broken 4-6....nothing like halls considering it was in the ruck contest rather than off ball , was just clumsy , nothing in it
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3, if his jaw is broken 4-6....nothing like halls considering it was in the ruck contest rather than off ball , was just clumsy , nothing in it
Shouldn't matter if his jaw was broken or not, he got knocked out, that's enough evidence for high impact.
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plenty of difference.
Cox threw the first one. Vickery retaliated.
Staker was legit K.O'd. Cox stayed down for the free. might i add hes been doing this shifty poot his whole career
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Seen it a few times and just wondering whether Vickery intended to hit Cox more in the chest region but Cox had crouched in the contest meaning his head was lower, just putting it out there. Otherwise it was a pretty danm stupid thing to do
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Seen it a few times and just wondering whether Vickery intended to hit Cox more in the chest region but Cox had crouched in the contest meaning his head was lower, just putting it out there. Otherwise it was a pretty danm stupid thing to do
Thought same thing ,
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plenty of difference.
Cox threw the first one. Vickery retaliated.
Staker was legit K.O'd. Cox stayed down for the free. might i add hes been doing this shifty poot his whole career
Bit harsh on Cox, he was held up by trainers on way off the ground and couldn't play so he was obviously concussed.
The similar to Hall bit was he just swung one blindly and hit him clean and dropped him when he was probably just trying to clip him in the chest.
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I suppose any defence will hinge on whether we can.prove.that contact with his head was unintentional as he had intended to impact his chest. Wouldn't mind seeing the big O or McBeanstalk getting a run next week.
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Hope so, will spew if Hampson comes in
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Brian Lake only got 3 weeks for choking if Ty gets more than 2 its a disgrace.
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VIDEO: Here's the vision of the incident ....
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-07-25/cox-kod-by-vickery
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Brian Lake only got 3 weeks for choking if Ty gets more than 2 its a disgrace.
if its deemed intentional he will get 5.
im actually pleased he did what he did. i reckon more players should do this sort of thing after cheap shots. a bit like saying if you take a cheapie im not putting up with it and you will get one back with interest. good on him but i have to say how disappointing is it he did his usual disappering act after this incident. needed to stand up and didnt.
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Cox has been elbowing his opponent in the guts just before the contest for his whole career. How many times have you seen him win tap outs while his opponent is cramping in the background. He gets away with it because they never call ruck infringements so early in a ruck contest.
Tonight it was his turn. He finally got what he deserved. I think you will find that if Cox does actually play another game that he will not be elbowing his opponent in the guts anymore. That is the point. Cox kept doing it because everyone let him. Someone should have got him earlier.
Good on Vickery for chanelling his inner Jack Dyer and putting an end to Cox's dirty ruck tactics.
The retaliator unfortunately always gets the punishment- 5 weeks
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A whack for a whack he will get 3 weeks ;D should get the best of ground medal
Cox should be sited by the MRP & cop a week
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3, if his jaw is broken 4-6....nothing like halls considering it was in the ruck contest rather than off ball , was just clumsy , nothing in it
Shouldn't matter if his jaw was broken or not, he got knocked out, that's enough evidence for high impact.
There's a level above high impact if I'm not mistaken? Broken jaw = that.
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Vickey served a two-game suspension for striking North Melbourne hard nut Michael Firrito in Round 12. He has 43.75 carryover points still hanging over his head from the Firrito hit.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/retiring-west-coast-ruckman-dean-cox-subbed-after-strike-from-richmonds-ty-vickery/story-fndv8w9k-1227002082816
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West Coast's coach Adam Simpson held his nerve after the game, but his blood was clearly boiling over the incident that has left his retiring champion heavily concussed.
"He's not good," Simpson said of Cox.
"Let's not talk about that. It'll deal with itself throughout the week."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-26/simpson-postmatch
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Vickery knows where the chin was. It was a perfect hit in boxing terms.
Dad would be proud.
Vickery needed something like this. His career is just trickling on. Need a spark or catalyst for change. This may be it.
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Based on the points system.
High contact
Reckless
Medium force
Carryover points.
Cox subbed off concussed.
Ty looking at 3-4 weeks out based on that which would be pretty much season ending :-\.
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Seen it a few times and just wondering whether Vickery intended to hit Cox more in the chest region but Cox had crouched in the contest meaning his head was lower, just putting it out there. Otherwise it was a pretty danm stupid thing to do
Thought same thing ,
The only half argument he has is down grading the intent. The trouble I see with that is that he copped one from cox just before hand and it looks like clear retaliation.
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Based on the points system.
High contact
Reckless
Medium force
Carryover points.
Cox subbed off concussed.
Ty looking at 3-4 weeks out based on that which would be pretty much season ending :-\.
head contact
negligent conduct
medium impact
carry over points
2 weeks
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I suspect about 4-5
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Cox has been elbowing his opponent in the guts just before the contest for his whole career. How many times have you seen him win tap outs while his opponent is cramping in the background. He gets away with it because they never call ruck infringements so early in a ruck contest.
Tonight it was his turn. He finally got what he deserved. I think you will find that if Cox does actually play another game that he will not be elbowing his opponent in the guts anymore. That is the point. Cox kept doing it because everyone let him. Someone should have got him earlier.
Good on Vickery for chanelling his inner Jack Dyer and putting an end to Cox's dirty ruck tactics.
The retaliator unfortunately always gets the punishment- 5 weeks
Spot on.
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5 weeks.
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He could probably plead insanity and get off :lol
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Well done Tyrone. Well worth the suspension as cox is a wanker
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Cox has been elbowing his opponent in the guts just before the contest for his whole career. How many times have you seen him win tap outs while his opponent is cramping in the background. He gets away with it because they never call ruck infringements so early in a ruck contest.
Tonight it was his turn. He finally got what he deserved. I think you will find that if Cox does actually play another game that he will not be elbowing his opponent in the guts anymore. That is the point. Cox kept doing it because everyone let him. Someone should have got him earlier.
Good on Vickery for chanelling his inner Jack Dyer and putting an end to Cox's dirty ruck tactics.
The retaliator unfortunately always gets the punishment- 5 weeks
Spot on.
x3
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No structural damage for Cox: Eagles
Peter Ryan with AAP
afl.com.au
July 26, 2014 1:28 PM
WEST Coast ruckman Dean Cox has suffered no structural damage after being knocked out when struck on the jaw by Richmond's Ty Vickery during Friday night's game at Paterson's Stadium.
Cox, who announced during the week he was to retire at the end of the year, was felled in a ruck contest in the second quarter and was subbed out of the game with concussion.
Vickery was reported for his part in the incident and was reported to be remorseful for his actions after the game.
West Coast assistant coach Brady Rawlings told Sportstalk on ABC Perth radio that Cox had suffered no more than concussion.
"Structurally he is OK, just the concussion last night is all he got away with," Rawlings said.
The Eagles were obviously disappointed with the incident but have remained tight-lipped about their reaction.
[It's] just disappointing to be losing a ruckman during the second quarter and lose him for the rest of the game," Rawlings said.
"Obviously it is not ideal when you have got someone sitting on the bench due to an incident like that."
Richmond football manager Dan Richardson told ABC Grandstand that Vickery was "obviously a bit remorseful for the fact that Dean had gone down the way he had, and I don't think any player goes out to see an opponent hurt like that."
He said the club would support Vickery despite widespread condemnation of his actions, including at the ground from irate West Coast fans.
"You get around your teammates in that situation. Whether or not you have done the right thing or the wrong thing you stick by your teammates and we'll do that as a footy club," Richardson said.
He said the club had been pleased with Vickery's past month of football after an ordinary start to the season. He said the club wanted Vickery to be hard in his attack on the ball.
"We're encouraging Ty to play with more aggression and I think he has done that, but obviously incidents like that aren't the type of aggression you encourage either," Richardson said.
He said the club would be in contact with the AFL later on Saturday to get a feel for their reaction to the Vickery incident, but he would not comment on whether he thought Vickery should be suspended.
Richardson said ideally the tall forward's fate would be known earlier than Monday but he understood there were many aspects to consider in trying to fast-track such decisions.
Last Monday, the AFL said it had reminded clubs to be careful when speaking publicly about incidents that would come under Match Review Panel scrutiny, however it had no plans to move hearings or Match Review Panel findings to the weekend.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-26/no-structural-damage-for-cox
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Richmond's Vickery faces fan backlash
Greg Buckle
WWOS.ninemsn.com.au
14:51 AEST Sat Jul 26 2014
Dermott Brereton says he would've taken matters into his own hands if he was confronted by an angry fan like Richmond's Ty Vickery was on Friday night.
Vickery decked West Coast's six-time All-Australian ruckman All-Australian Dean Cox at a boundary throw-in during the AFL round-18 clash at Patersons Stadium, prompting a massive outpouring of anger from the pro-Eagles crowd.
Two fans yelled at Vickery from only a metre or two away as the Richmond big man went to the bench during the match.
Former Hawthorn star Brereton said he despised seeing fans get in players' faces.
"If I'd have been Tyrone Vickery and I'd have run to the bench and a bloke leant over like that, I'd have grabbed him by the beard and dragged him onto the ground," Brereton told Melbourne's Radio SEN on Saturday.
"I despise that. That is guttural.
"It is zoo-like. You can't let people be vigilantes and take the law into their own hands and decide to get past everybody else in their seats and go and take their own form of vengeance in terms of spiteful retribution verbally over the fence."
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin said the crowd's anger had inspired the Tigers.
"As loud as the West Coast crowd was, you sort of thrive on that," Cotchin told Radio SEN.
"You love the fact that the opposition supporters are starting to show some real hatred for you.
"It was like 'we've sort of got them here'.
"They were just that focussed on all the spotfires that were popping up on the field more than the game and I think that's the little mental edge that you're looking for."
Richmond great and television commentator Matthew Richardson said the crowd's behaviour was disgraceful.
"On the boundary line at halftime, I was having a bit of a joke with them," Richardson told Radio 3AW.
"But there were people in the crowd losing their marbles and it was ugly.
"There were a lot of kids around and I thought it was a disgrace, some of the things that were said.
"The benches there at Subi, you can lean right over. It was a bit unsavoury."
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8880852
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Typical WA wankers. They're the supporters who like to boo opposition players who get stretchered off if I remember correctly.
Hope the MRP takes a look at Cox's elbow.
Being a Richmond player Vickery will get 5 weeks for intentional/high/high.
Should be reckless/high/medium IMO. Ain't his fault Cox can't take a punch. See the way Robinson punched Taylor Adams? Like G Whately commented, he's lucky Adams can take a punch or he'd have gotten more than two weeks...
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Low level contact. (cox went down like a brazilian in the World cup)
Eyes were on the ball the entire time (lessen the overall intent)
Contact was made with the wrist and closed hand, not fist.
2 weeks. ;D
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Some perspective from Brereton at the end of the article:
July 26, 2014 - 2:47PM
Daniel Cherny
Sports reporter
The Age
Tyrone Vickery should come clean and immediately apologise for his crude hit on Dean Cox, in the opinion of former Brisbane Lions coach Michael Voss.
Tiger ruckman Vickery will almost certainly come under the close eye of the match review panel for his indiscriminate round arm on retiring West Coast opponent Cox at a boundary throw-in late in the second quarter of Richmond's victory over the Eagles at Patersons Stadium on Friday night.
Cox was momentarily knocked out, before being assisted off the ground by Eagles' medical staff. He did not rejoin the action following the incident.
Voss suggested that a hasty mea culpa would significantly boost Vickery's public perception.
"I would love for him to come out today, not tomorrow, not Monday and write an apology and say, 'I did the wrong thing, that is not an act that we stand for, I wish it didn't happen, I really apologise to Dean Cox, I know how [the game] was to him," Voss said on radio SEN on Saturday
"I think he can really win back some credits here if he gets on the front foot immediately and fronts the media and says I did the wrong thing."
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin refused to be drawn into the specific incident, but supported his teammate's aggression.
"I think the thing with Ty is we love him playing on the edge. His best games this year have been when he's most physical," Cotchin said on SEN.
Vickery's Tiger ruck partner Ivan Maric indicated that he too was unable to comment on the strike, but advocated the importance of a physical presence for ruckmen.
"When you're in the ruck you're constantly elbowing and bumping, which we love as ruckman," Maric told radio 3AW.
Cotchin and Maric's reluctance to discuss the matter comes after AFL football operations manager Mark Evans indicated earlier in the week that clubs had been sent a memo reminding them not to make public comments about incidents likely to be assessed by the match review panel.
The letter came following comments made by North Melbourne's Drew Petrie and his coach Brad Scott in the days following Petrie's scuffle with Hawthorn backman Brian Lake during their round-16 clash. That game was also on a Friday night and prompted Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson to suggest incidents in Friday night match's be dealt with prior to the standard match review panel day of Monday - an idea that was all but dismissed by Evans.
A number of AFL players took to Twitter and voiced their distaste for the Vickery incident within minutes of the incident on Friday night.
Lion Claye Beams described the hit on Cox as "ordinary" while teammate Pearce Hanley labelled it "a poo act". Adelaide forward Taylor Walker called it "a disgrace".
While not willing to abrogate Vickery of responsibility, former Hawthorn champion Dermott Brereton argued that Cox had a tendency to engage in niggle at stoppages.
"How many boundary line throw-ins does Cox get in free kicks? He's the best I've seen at drawing a free kick at boundary line throw-ins. Within one hour, I could go to tape and pull out 50 boundary line throw-ins where Cox has elbowed someone in the chest, the throat, the chin," Brereton said on SEN.
"They climb all over him because they're angry at him. He draws this type of contact."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/michael-voss-calls-on-richmonds-tyrone-vickery-to-apologise-for-hit-on-dean-cox-20140726-zx5v8.html#ixzz38Z1Ra8pE (http://Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/michael-voss-calls-on-richmonds-tyrone-vickery-to-apologise-for-hit-on-dean-cox-20140726-zx5v8.html#ixzz38Z1Ra8pE)
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A bit of sanity should prevail with the mrp declaring they're onto cox and his dirty tactics, tv your reprimanded as it was extreme provocation , anyone would have decked the idiot :shh
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Should be you suck - 1
Ballerina - 3 or 4
Probably be
Limp biscuit - zip
Still a softie - 5
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When it first happen and we were a fair way away because it happened near centre wing and we were sitting up at the city end goals, thought you're in big trouble Ty.
Watched it on the screen and thought 3 but most likely 4 weeks.
But I reckon the Eagles contributed a fair bit to this. Of your going to constantly throw little jabs to the guts off the ball, you know little snipes then at some point there is a good chance someone is going to retaliate big time.
Not condoning as Tyrone will cop his whack but that's what happened last night. Lot of little and not so little Eagle snipers last evening
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Great to stick it up them and must say it runs in the ship bonner family, whining Simpson having a grizzle amazing he didn't request a roof on the new stadium while he was having a sook
Cop that e girls
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adam simplson :'(
tyone should sleep with someones wife
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Only disappointing part was he didn't belt that diving prick Shuey.
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 saying 3 weeks with an early plea.
* Intentional
* High impact
* High contact
= 425 points
+ 43 carry-over points
= 468 points
- 25% reduction with early plea
= 351 points
So 3 weeks with early plea.
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If he only gets 3 weeks there will be much butthurt across the web.
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I agree with Vossy that he should come out and apologize quickly. Its not the end of the world but it was a pretty low act and he should come out and clear the air.
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I would give a begrudging apology.
"I would like to apologise to Dean Cox for retaliating in such a reflex way.I should know what to expect from him in throw in ruck contests and need to work on the part of my pride that refuses to accept being sneakoed by a career long abuser."
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I agree with Vossy that he should come out and apologize quickly. Its not the end of the world but it was a pretty low act and he should come out and clear the air.
Why? Take cox out of the equation would people care as much if it was say rampe.
Negative.
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 saying 3 weeks with an early plea.
* Intentional
* High impact
* High contact
= 425 points
+ 43 carry-over points
= 468 points
- 25% reduction with early plea
= 351 points
So 3 weeks with early plea.
Based on his carry over points I don't think it can be reduced to 3 weeks
It will be 4
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If by some miracle force he gets a week then lets get him back time to finish off Dustin Fletcher too
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I agree with Vossy that he should come out and apologize quickly. Its not the end of the world but it was a pretty low act and he should come out and clear the air.
Sorry Willy but that is rubbish. Ty should not apologise what is this some sort of gumbayah convention. Cox can get stuffed. He took a hit and behaved like a sheila. Ty will cop his suspension and get on with it. No apologise nothing. WC and Cox can go jump they behaved like panzies anyway.
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Ty should apologise for not hitting flaccid Cox hard enough.
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Ty should apologise for not hitting flaccid Cox hard enough.
thought he beat old cox pretty hard to be fair.
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Ty should apologise for not hitting flaccid Cox hard enough.
thought he beat old cox pretty hard to be fair.
Still got up on his feet >:(
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Ty should apologise for not hitting flaccid Cox hard enough.
thought he beat old cox pretty hard to be fair.
Still got up on his feet >:(
yeah that was a disgrace. :banghead
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I agree with Vossy that he should come out and apologize quickly. Its not the end of the world but it was a pretty low act and he should come out and clear the air.
Sorry Willy but that is rubbish. Ty should not apologise what is this some sort of gumbayah convention. Cox can get stuffed. He took a hit and behaved like a sheila. Ty will cop his suspension and get on with it. No apologise nothing. WC and Cox can go jump they behaved like panzies anyway.
Mate I don't think Cox can be criticized for what he did. HE got hit unaware in the sweet spot and was genuinely KOd. Pretty harsh to have a go at him. If it was the other way round we would be peeed and rightfully so. Agree to disagree tho I guess.
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If by some miracle force he gets a week then lets get him back time to finish off Dustin Fletcher too
Yessssssssss :clapping get it done tigers :shh
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I agree with Vossy that he should come out and apologize quickly. Its not the end of the world but it was a pretty low act and he should come out and clear the air.
Should Cox apologise for his role in drawing the reaction he got?
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No. Because Vicks was not KOd from it. Result is everything in footy and in life. Vicks KOd cox by punching him in the face. There was some provocation so he shouldn't be crucified for it but an apology is warranted IMO.
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Apologies are for the weak.
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Forced apologies don't mean anything.
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I wouldn't apologise to the public. It's none of their business.
Just go to the MRP, make your case, walk out at the end and say that you "accept the decision handed down by the MRP".
Call Cox to apologise if you want. It's only for him, nobody else.
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I wouldn't apologise to the public. It's none of their business.
Just go to the MRP, make your case, walk out at the end and say that you "accept the decision handed down by the MRP".
Call Cox to apologise if you want. It's only for him, nobody else.
Yep, agree.
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Ty has apologised
Will be on Ch 7 news shortly
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Ty has apologised
Will be on Ch 7 news shortly
Like Merritt and Mckernan did
Pack of faggots leading our club
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Well he apologized, reckon the club encouraged it.
Another "safe" call - it's becoming the norm at Tigerland.
Dunno, reckon stuff happens in a game of football, had the case been referred to the tribunal and he was found guilty then he could've provided more context for the hit in his defence.
Given his eyes were on the ball at all times, that context could've been that the hit to the face was reckless and not intentional.
IMO and In that context, an apology has a more palatable context.
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Richmond's Ty Vickery apologises for hit on Dean Cox
Date July 27, 2014 - 6:00PM
Roy Ward
Richmond big man Ty Vickery has publicly apologised to West Coast ruckman Dean Cox for knocking the Eagles star out on Friday night.
Vickery was reported for striking Cox on the jaw during a ruck contest in the Tigers' win over the Eagles in Perth on Friday night, with the blow forcing Cox to be substituted due to concussion.
Vickery will find out on Monday whether he will receive a suspension from the match review panel or be sent straight to the tribunal.
Speaking on Fox Sports News on Sunday afternoon, Vickery publicly apologised to Cox and his family and said he had attempted to contact Cox to offer a direct apology for his actions.
"In the heat of the game I overstepped the mark with my physicality and aggression," Vickery said.
"I'm very remorseful for that and I unreservedly apologise to Dean and his family.
"I've attempted to make contact but haven't got through to him yet but I will to offer him an apology personally."
Vickery stopped short of saying he would accept whatever penalty was given to him with commentators suggesting he could receive a month or more out of the game.
"The MRP will do its job on Monday and hand down what they consider to be fair, we will look at it then," Vickery said.
"But I just want to unreservedly apologise to Dean and his family - it would have been hard to see him go through what he had to."
Vickery also said he didn't remember much about the West Coast spectators yelling at him from close to the Tigers bench but he did say he thought the incident with Cox "rattled him" and hurt his form for the rest of the match.
"This is something I will rectify - I will look to push the boundaries [with physical play] but never overstep the mark," Vickery said.
Richmond veteran Chris Newman has called on Vickery to find the right balance of on-field aggression as the forward stares down a long suspension.
Vickery is facing his second suspension within two months after he missed two matches for striking North Melbourne’s Michael Firrito in round 12.
Vickery also has 43.75 carry-over points from his earlier suspension, which will be added to whatever points he is gets for the Cox incident.
Even with an early plea, Vickery may have to accept a four-game suspension due to his carry-over points, while he could face a longer suspension if the matter is sent directly to the tribunal.
While appearing on Channel Seven’s AFL Game Day, Newman said the Tigers couldn't afford to be without Vickery.
“He needs to find that line,” the former Tigers captain said.
“He might be looking at some time on the sidelines and we would much prefer Ty was in the side.
“It’s something he has to juggle and get right.”
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said he couldn’t comment on the incident but Vickery was “remorseful and would cop his whack”.
Tigers star Brett Deledio echoed Newman's call on Channel Nine's Sunday Footy Show.
"We encourage Ty to play aggressive; obviously we don't like to king-hit blokes or swing free arms like that," Deledio said.
Leigh Matthews, also speaking on AFL Game Day, said he believed Vickery would get a three or four-week suspension.
“I think it was reckless, high contact and obviously high impact. So, with an early plea he might get three weeks – most of us look at that and say it's a 'four-weekish one,” Matthews said.
“It was a rush of blood to the head, which happens to the best of us; but if you do the crime, you do the time.”
Matthews also suggested the AFL should employee a single tribunal “commissioner” to rule on tribunal matters on the day after a match, thus ending the speculation on rulings before they are issued on Mondays.
Hardwick said football clubs moved on quickly so would be well served if match review rulings could be sped up.
“They [the current match review panel] are not full-time employees, but it would stop some of the conversations,” Hardwick said.
“It would make it easier. As you know, football clubs move on quickly; it would be great for us to know this outcome so we could change our side accordingly.”
AFL operations manager Mark Evans told Triple M on Sunday it was "near impossible" to speed up the match review system because of the information needed before decisions could be made.
"There are a lot of processes that have to take place [for the match review panel] and even then you would still need to give the player 24 hours to contest or accept the ruling," Evans said.
Hardwick refused to rule out signing retiring St Kilda star Lenny Hayes as an assistant coach in 2015 but admitted there was no open roles on his staff at present
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmonds-ty-vickery-apologises-for-hit-on-dean-cox-20140727-zxcii.html#ixzz38ef40VZM
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A BUNCH OF soft dicks ARE RUNNING THE RICHMOND FC. THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED UNDER A RAY DUNN IAN WILSON GRAEME RICHMOND ADMINISTRATION. WHAT A stuffING JOKE!
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Only pussys get apologised to, Cox is a big pussy
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Game has gone soft
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A BUNCH OF soft dicks ARE RUNNING THE RICHMOND FC. THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED UNDER A RAY DUNN IAN WILSON GRAEME RICHMOND ADMINISTRATION. WHAT A stuffING JOKE!
Peggy probably orchestrated it
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I can tell you all as a resident of Perth -half the state want to tar and feather young TV ...many were looking for a nice hanging branch .
The other half of the state ( dockers supporters) think it's friggen marvelous.
Personally I think it's the best thing I have seen a Richmond player do since Jack kicked 10 against West Coast in 2010.
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IMO not saying a word would have given the club better mileage.
Cotch and dimmer DID stand by his actions more or less and said they encourage him to be aggressive.
This public apology is hardly heartfelt.
Written by a lawyer in an attempt to appease the mrp.
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What's with the chosen language of the apology? 'Remorseful'? Apologises to his 'family'? Geez Geez he didn't kill anyone.
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I thought Cox died ?
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FFS! He was giving him something to eat
You can clearly see him saying "How 'bout those apples Coxy?" ;D
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:lol
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If he gets more than a reprimand the game has gone soft. ;D
I have to laugh at neutrals and media though. Everyone sooks the game has gone soft and as soon as Ty belts some old codger everyone has a big sook over it. :lol
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I can tell you all as a resident of Perth -half the state want to tar and feather young TV ...many were looking for a nice hanging branch .
The other half of the state ( dockers supporters) think it's friggen marvelous.
Personally I think it's the best thing I have seen a Richmond player do since Jack kicked 10 against West Coast in 2010.
Cox deliberately elbowed TV before incident and he got punished for it. TV in today's environment going to get a very heavy penalty. If got less than 3 weeks would be happy.
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Umpire contributed.
Should have paid a free immediately for the elbow in the guts. The whole incident would have been averted.
Nobody in the media has stated this obvious fact.
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I've been a staunch supporter of Vickery's footy in the face of plenty of knockers but a lot of yellow and black goggles on in this thread.
Apologising was the right thing to do, it was ordinary.
The stuff before it happens all game every game, Vickery himself is a master at getting a couple of little ones in every chance he gets, but that is part and parcel of footy.
It's not part and parcel to have your clock cleaned whilst looking at the footy in a contest.
Having said that though I like the aggression but it was a poor act and he's right to put his hand up and admit that.
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I've been a staunch supporter of Vickery's footy in the face of plenty of knockers but a lot of yellow and black goggles on in this thread.
Apologising was the right thing to do, it was ordinary.
The stuff before it happens all game every game, Vickery himself is a master at getting a couple of little ones in every chance he gets, but that is part and parcel of footy.
It's not part and parcel to have your clock cleaned whilst looking at the footy in a contest.
Having said that though I like the aggression but it was a poor act and he's right to put his hand up and admit that.
The stuff that happens every game also gets punished by the umpies with a free. The elbow was right in front of the umpire! He should have paid a free then and there. He thus allowed the retaliation.
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I've been a staunch supporter of Vickery's footy in the face of plenty of knockers but a lot of yellow and black goggles on in this thread.
Apologising was the right thing to do, it was ordinary.
The stuff before it happens all game every game, Vickery himself is a master at getting a couple of little ones in every chance he gets, but that is part and parcel of footy.
It's not part and parcel to have your clock cleaned whilst looking at the footy in a contest.
Having said that though I like the aggression but it was a poor act and he's right to put his hand up and admit that.
The stuff that happens every game also gets punished by the umpies with a free. The elbow was right in front of the umpire! He should have paid a free then and there. He thus allowed the retaliation.
We'll he certainly facilitated retaliation. I'm not sure about allowed it
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The stuff that happens every game also gets punished by the umpies with a free. The elbow was right in front of the umpire! He should have paid a free then and there. He thus allowed the retaliation.
If it was punished every time there would be 10,000 free kicks each game.
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The stuff that happens every game also gets punished by the umpies with a free. The elbow was right in front of the umpire! He should have paid a free then and there. He thus allowed the retaliation.
If it was punished every time there would be 10,000 free kicks each game.
[/quote]Or people would stop doing it.
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Tyrone has apologised directly to Cox
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Cox receives apology from Vickery but adds 'we're not best of mates'
Alex Malcolm
July 28, 2014 11:47 AM
WEST Coast ruckman Dean Cox has received a phone call from Richmond's Ty Vickery and although he appreciates the personal apology, he says they're not the best of mates.
Vickery was reported for striking Cox in the second quarter of Richmond's 17-point win over the Eagles on Friday night at Patersons Stadium.
The incident left Cox with concussion and while the six-time All Australian has no structural damage he said he does not remember much of the game or the incident despite recovering reasonably well.
Vickery rang Cox on Sunday to apologise to him personally. Vickery also made a public apology to Cox on Fox Sports News.
Speaking on 6PR Breakfast on Monday, Cox said he was grateful for the phone call.
"He personally apologised for the incident and wanted to make sure that my family were aware of that as well," Cox said.
"It was good of him to actually ring and pass on his apology. I've been involved in footy for a long period of time and realise that things can happen that people don't want to or don't expect to happen.
"It was good to get the call from him. I wouldn't say we're best of mates though."
Cox said he had seen the incident despite trying to avoid television for most of the weekend on doctor's orders.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-28/were-not-best-of-mates
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LOL
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The stuff that happens every game also gets punished by the umpies with a free. The elbow was right in front of the umpire! He should have paid a free then and there. He thus allowed the retaliation.
If it was punished every time there would be 10,000 free kicks each game.
Or people would stop doing it.
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Everytime I've seen an elbow hit causing the recipient player to double up in pain in front of an umpire, a free kick has been given. The ones that aren't pinged happen off the ball.
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8 weeks. Gutless, cowardly act. Hardwick made a point of supporting this behavior. Cotchin mimicked him like a good manikin does.
Thankfully, some of the other Tigers players didn't think it was ok to king hit people from behind and spoke up.
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8 weeks. Gutless, cowardly act. Hardwick made a point of supporting this behavior. Cotchin mimicked him like a good manikin does.
Thankfully, some of the other Tigers players didn't think it was ok to king hit people from behind and spoke up.
Same sort of bullpoo Cox has been doing all his career, Vickery just went a bit higher
Is there anyone you hate more than Dimma and Cotch?
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4 weeks I reckon.
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Come on 1 week. ;D
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Good behaviour bond
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In my honest opinion it wasnt even a really big hit, its not Tys fault the other blokes got a glass jaw and got knocked out. It was an average run of the mill hit worth about 2 weeks in reality.
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In my honest opinion it wasnt even a really big hit, its not Tys fault the other blokes got a glass jaw and got knocked out. It was an average run of the mill hit worth about 2 weeks in reality.
he has a glass jaw ?
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In my honest opinion it wasnt even a really big hit, its not Tys fault the other blokes got a glass jaw and got knocked out. It was an average run of the mill hit worth about 2 weeks in reality.
:clapping
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In my honest opinion it wasnt even a really big hit, its not Tys fault the other blokes got a glass jaw and got knocked out. It was an average run of the mill hit worth about 2 weeks in reality.
he has a glass jaw ?
dunno all I know is Tyrone is innocent and this is a set up to put Ty out for the season. What a disgrace.
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In my honest opinion it wasnt even a really big hit, its not Tys fault the other blokes got a glass jaw and got knocked out. It was an average run of the mill hit worth about 2 weeks in reality.
he has a glass jaw ?
I didn't think Glass was playing.....
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Cleared.
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Yep. The wireless reporting Vickery has been cleared and has no charge to answer to.
More details to come apparently.
Geez that was lucky! Lol
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:lol never in doubt
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Wrong.
Sent straight to the tribunal. So no chance of an early plea.
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Wrong.
Sent straight to the tribunal.
That would be Dean Cox
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Wrong.
Sent straight to the tribunal.
That would be Dean Cox
Dirty Cox
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Wrong.
Sent straight to the tribunal.
That would be Dean Cox
No. That incident was looked at and the force was not great enough to warrant a report.
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Tyrone Vickery referred directly to the AFL tribunal for hit on Eagles champ Dean Cox
by: Staff writers
From: AAP July 28, 2014 3:55PM 7
THE AFL tribunal will decide the fate of Richmond big man Tyrone Vickery after the match review panel ruled his hit on Dean Cox was too severe for a routine penalty.
Vickery, who is facing a lengthy ban, will face the tribunal on Tuesday night.
The match review panel opted to refer the incident rather than issue a penalty under its standard points criteria.
The MRP ruled Vickery’s hit was intentional, severe impact and high contact — the highest possible grading. Under AFL rules the case must then be sent straight to the tribunal and he cannot receive a discount for an early guilty plea.
The MRP also assessed Cox’s elbow to Vickery which may have prompted the retaliatory strike, and deemed the force too low for a report.
But Eagles Luke Shuey and Mark LeCras were each fined $900 for misconduct in bumping Vickery off the ball in the mad minutes following the felling of Cox at a boundary throw-in.
In other cases, Tiger Brandon Ellis’s match-day report for rough conduct against Patrick McGinnity was thrown out, and Magpie Clinton Young was also cleared over a hit on Adelaide defender Brodie Smith.
Swans defender Jeremy Laidler can accept a reprimand for striking Hawk Jack Gunston.
Earlier, Cox admitted he’s not the “best of mates” with Ty Vickery, but is grateful to receive an apology from the Richmond big man.
Vickery is facing a lengthy AFL suspension after hitting Cox in the jaw with a crude roundhouse blow during Richmond’s 17-point win on Friday night.
Cox, who was knocked out, has little memory of the game — and none of the incident itself.
The retiring Eagle didn’t suffer any structural damage but remains in doubt for Saturday’s away clash with Adelaide at Adelaide Oval.
Vickery publicly apologised to Cox on Sunday and he also gave the Eagles legend a phone call to express his remorse over the incident.
“He tried to ring me a few times,” Cox told Perth radio station 6PR on Monday.
“Obviously. it was a number I didn’t know, so I didn’t answer.
“But he kept trying, so I answered and it was Ty.
“He just wanted to personally apologise for the incident and make sure that my family was aware of that as well.
“It was good of him to actually ring and pass on his apology.
“I’ve been involved in footy for a long period of time and realise things can happen that people don’t want to or don’t expect to happen.
“It was good to get the call from him. I wouldn’t say we’re best of mates though.”
AFL greats Matthew Lloyd, Tony Shaw and Michael Voss were all critical of Vickery’s actions while current players Taylor Walker and Brisbane’s Pearce Hanley also expressed their distaste.
Cox said there had been no bad blood between him and Vickery leading into Friday’s game.
“I haven’t had too much to do with him over my career,” Cox said of Vickery, who copped a two-match ban earlier this year for striking North Melbourne’s Michael Firrito.
“He didn’t mention anything about why the incident happened. And I can’t remember anything of it.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tyrone-vickery-referred-directly-to-the-afl-tribunal-for-hit-on-eagles-champ-dean-cox/story-fni5faul-1227004436829
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Umpire contributed.
Should have paid a free immediately for the elbow in the guts. The whole incident would have been averted.
Nobody in the media has stated this obvious fact.
Yep and the umpy saw it too. You can hear him say a long the lines of "Dean, Deano, NO!" and then throw the ball up. No excuses saying they didn't see it because they did.
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Umpire contributed.
Should have paid a free immediately for the elbow in the guts. The whole incident would have been averted.
Nobody in the media has stated this obvious fact.
Yep and the umpy saw it too. You can hear him say a long the lines of "Dean, Deano, NO!" and then throw the ball up. No excuses saying they didn't see it because they did.
Just anothe rincident in the long list of RFC stuffovers by the umps
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Fair chance Vickers will miss some 2015 games now. Absolute joke!
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Well the MRP have deemed the Cox "hit" doesn't warrant a report or action because there wasn't enough force.
And I have no problem with Tyrone having to cop his fair whack for what he did.
But seriously for it to be referred directly to the tribunal shows what a bunch of incompetents they have running the MRP (headed up by former tiger Joel Bowden no less). I have seen worse things happen this season than what Ty did and they've had no problem grading those. Why have the rules changed this week? Media pressure or pressure for HQ?
It is farcical. Four weeks is reasonable for what happened but anything more would be wrong. It defies logic
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We should fight this
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Does that mean the MRP reckon it is worth 8 weeks?
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Tyrone Vickery referred directly to the AFL tribunal for hit on Eagles champ Dean Cox
by: Staff writers
From: AAP July 28, 2014 3:55PM 7
THE AFL tribunal will decide the fate of Richmond big man Tyrone Vickery after the match review panel ruled his hit on Dean Cox was too severe for a routine penalty.
Vickery, who is facing a lengthy ban, will face the tribunal on Tuesday night.
The match review panel opted to refer the incident rather than issue a penalty under its standard points criteria.
The MRP ruled Vickery’s hit was intentional, severe impact and high contact — the highest possible grading. Under AFL rules the case must then be sent straight to the tribunal and he cannot receive a discount for an early guilty plea.
The MRP also assessed Cox’s elbow to Vickery which may have prompted the retaliatory strike, and deemed the force too low for a report.
But Eagles Luke Shuey and Mark LeCras were each fined $900 for misconduct in bumping Vickery off the ball in the mad minutes following the felling of Cox at a boundary throw-in.
In other cases, Tiger Brandon Ellis’s match-day report for rough conduct against Patrick McGinnity was thrown out, and Magpie Clinton Young was also cleared over a hit on Adelaide defender Brodie Smith.
Swans defender Jeremy Laidler can accept a reprimand for striking Hawk Jack Gunston.
Earlier, Cox admitted he’s not the “best of mates” with Ty Vickery, but is grateful to receive an apology from the Richmond big man.
Vickery is facing a lengthy AFL suspension after hitting Cox in the jaw with a crude roundhouse blow during Richmond’s 17-point win on Friday night.
Cox, who was knocked out, has little memory of the game — and none of the incident itself.
The retiring Eagle didn’t suffer any structural damage but remains in doubt for Saturday’s away clash with Adelaide at Adelaide Oval.
Vickery publicly apologised to Cox on Sunday and he also gave the Eagles legend a phone call to express his remorse over the incident.
“He tried to ring me a few times,” Cox told Perth radio station 6PR on Monday.
“Obviously. it was a number I didn’t know, so I didn’t answer.
“But he kept trying, so I answered and it was Ty.
“He just wanted to personally apologise for the incident and make sure that my family was aware of that as well.
“It was good of him to actually ring and pass on his apology.
“I’ve been involved in footy for a long period of time and realise things can happen that people don’t want to or don’t expect to happen.
“It was good to get the call from him. I wouldn’t say we’re best of mates though.”
AFL greats Matthew Lloyd, Tony Shaw and Michael Voss were all critical of Vickery’s actions while current players Taylor Walker and Brisbane’s Pearce Hanley also expressed their distaste.
Cox said there had been no bad blood between him and Vickery leading into Friday’s game.
“I haven’t had too much to do with him over my career,” Cox said of Vickery, who copped a two-match ban earlier this year for striking North Melbourne’s Michael Firrito.
“He didn’t mention anything about why the incident happened. And I can’t remember anything of it.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tyrone-vickery-referred-directly-to-the-afl-tribunal-for-hit-on-eagles-champ-dean-cox/story-fni5faul-1227004436829
After reading this I think two weeks is max
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Didn't tony Shaw once condemn a tree for running into him?
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Don't players usually get a week or two for accidental bumps that go high? But LeCrap can purposely go for Vickery but only get a fine?
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Force of impact from Cox is irrelevant. If he didn't give Vickery a whack in the guts then Vickery wouldn't have dropped him like a sack of poo.
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Does that mean the MRP reckon it is worth 8 weeks?
It means the MRP are too gutless to actually do their job and have taken the easy way = not making a decision
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Does that mean the MRP reckon it is worth 8 weeks?
It means the MRP are too gutless to actually do their job and have taken the easy way = not making a decision
When a report receives 9 activation points it must go to the tribunal.
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Does that mean the MRP reckon it is worth 8 weeks?
It means the MRP are too gutless to actually do their job and have taken the easy way = not making a decision
When a report receives 9 activation points it must go to the tribunal.
But the points usually equal a week each yes?
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Does that mean the MRP reckon it is worth 8 weeks?
It means the MRP are too gutless to actually do their job and have taken the easy way = not making a decision
When a report receives 9 activation points it must go to the tribunal.
But the points usually equal a week each yes?
I don't think so.
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Does that mean the MRP reckon it is worth 8 weeks?
It means the MRP are too gutless to actually do their job and have taken the easy way = not making a decision
When a report receives 9 activation points it must go to the tribunal.
Understand that but based on similar cases it should not be 9 activation points. That's my gripe. They took the easy way out as seems to be the norm over the last few weeks
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Does that mean the MRP reckon it is worth 8 weeks?
It means the MRP are too gutless to actually do their job and have taken the easy way = not making a decision
When a report receives 9 activation points it must go to the tribunal.
But the points usually equal a week each yes?
as a Very general rule, divide by 2 ;)
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So Dooks he comes on as a sub at the beginning of the 3rd qtr of the 5th game he's suspended? ;D
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So Dooks he comes on as a sub at the beginning of the 3rd qtr of the 5th game he's suspended? ;D
Oi loike it!
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If a player buckles over from a elbow it should have been given a free kick. Cox should have been reported as the umpire seen it. Umpires have it in for Richmond. The MPR has it in for Richmond The tribunal has it in for Richmond. My crystal bowl ;D tells me this is RFC being punished for the way they axed players & coaches. Emmett Dunne, Geoff Geishein, Joel Bowden, Wayne Campbell & maybe a few others. Why does there seem to be a set of rules for other clubs & RFC always get shafted. Think about it ;D
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Look if if we (Richmond, supporters and Vickery) get anything more than 3 weeks it's a stuffing anus in our face. 3 Is par. 2 is a birdie. 4 is a bogey.
Sorry mods for the clinical language, just sick of getting raped by the system
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Bomber Thompson said on AFL360 it was a good punch & they all laugh about it. :rollin 3 weeks max. anything more & the Tribunal is a farce
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What a stuffin disgrace well said WP
Honestly what's he going to get now 5/6 weeks??? Give him 8 weeks bunch of wankers
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All this talk about 6,7,8+ weeks is stuffing madness
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Still feels like 4-6 to me.
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Still feels like 4-6 to me.
Hall got 7 and it was nowhere near as unprovoked, outside the contest or severe as that.
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I just looked up the Hall one and he got 790 points so almost 8.
Other than the behind play/in play difference I reckon they are pretty similar.
Both not looking at opponent, both threw a wild arm and connected, both koed the opponent and put him out of the game and possibly games.
I'd say 4-6 is a fair comparison to Hall's 7-8 range.
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Brian Lake only got 3 weeks for choking if Ty gets more than 2 its a disgrace.
if its deemed intentional he will get 5.
im actually pleased he did what he did. i reckon more players should do this sort of thing after cheap shots. a bit like saying if you take a cheapie im not putting up with it and you will get one back with interest. good on him but i have to say how disappointing is it he did his usual disappering act after this incident. needed to stand up and didnt.
further to the above. we all know tyrones a pea heart. it would be even acceptable if he could play a bit. dont think shirkers psuedo tough men should even be retaliating.
hope like hell he gets the rest of the yr even longer would be nice.
for me the sooner this bloke is gone from the club the better.
the only trouble is they will bring in just as big a pea heart in griffiths. in fact he probably our only option.
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West coast fans want him banned for 2015. :lol butthurt wankers.
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West coast fans want him banned for 2015. :lol butthurt wankers.
Lol
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getting nasty over on figbooty.
someones gonna get hurt
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getting nasty over on figbooty.
someones gonna get hurt
;D boooooooooooooooooo
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West coast fans want him banned for 2015. :lol butthurt wankers.
lmao
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West coast fans want him banned for 2015. :lol butthurt wankers.
lmao
the lulz they provide make me glad Ty belted him.
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Im confused, forget Ty for a second. You're now allowed to elbow people in the solar plexus, a free hit if you like???? This is bordering ridiculous bias :banghead
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Barry Hall says Vickery needs support
Mark Robinson
Herald-Sun
July 28, 2014 10:13PM
FORMER firebrand Barry Hall says Tyrone Vickery’s knockout punch on Dean Cox could “ruin” the maligned Tiger if he doesn’t get support from his club.
The match review panel on Monday sent the charge straight to the AFL Tribunal after grading the round-arm hit intentional and the impact on Cox severe — the highest assessment.
The panel had no choice but to order a tribunal sitting on Tuesday night due to the severity of its assessment.
Vickery has called Eagles veteran Cox to apologise but was unable to take an early guilty plea. He is looking at least at a four-week ban.
The ruck-contest round-arm was graded intentional (three points), severe impact (four points) and high contact (two points). Nine points is the trigger for a mandatory tribunal hearing.
Hall, who was suspended for seven weeks in 2008 when playing for Sydney for punching then-Eagle Brent Staker, said yesterday Vickery needed total support from Richmond.
“Damien Hardwick got whacked for supporting him, but I’m a big one in, yeah, whack them, but support them,” Hall said.
”It’s going to be a really tough for Tyrone and needs support because it could ruin him.
“You don’t need the relationship between yourself and the footy club to get in the way as well.
“If he admits he’s done something wrong, and he does, and he wants to improve and wants to gain trust back from the group, the club has to support him with that.”
It emerged on Monday that Vickery telephoned Cox at the weekend and apologised.
Cox said he accepted the call but admitted they wouldn’t be “best mates”.
“He personally apologised for the incident and wanted to make sure that my family were aware of that as well,” Cox told Perth radio station 6PR on Monday.
“It was good of him to actually ring and pass on his apology. I’ve been involved in footy for a long period of time and realise that things can happen that people don’t want to or don’t expect to happen.
“It was good to get the call from him. I wouldn’t say we’re best of mates, though.”
Hall relates the blow-up to his own hellish moment with Staker.
“It took me a long time to get the trust of the players back,” Hall said.
“Obviously I was out of the leadership group, which was fair enough because you have to show leadership on and off the field.”
Hall admitted the Staker incident haunted him more now than when it happened.
“It didn’t as much as it does now,” he said.
“Obviously the club put me through counselling to find out the sorts of reasons why I did that sort of stuff.
“But it’s not until now that you realise the severity of it. I’m embarrassed by it.
“Brent Staker is someone who also has to watch it, and his family, and that doesn’t sit right with me.
“There’s nothing I can do about it now, it’s something I can’t change and it bothers me now.”
He said he didn’t believe Vickery was a thug.
“It’s probably the first really bad thing he’s done on the footy field, he’s been a hothead but I don’t think it’s an issue for him,” Hall said.
“He will learn his lesson from this. The fallout will be huge for him, there will be a lot spoken about it, so he’ll realise the severity of it.
“Apologising and getting on the front foot was a good thing, even before the tribunal, it shows you’re willing to face up and cop what’s coming your way.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/tyrone-vickery-referred-directly-to-the-afl-tribunal-for-hit-on-dean-cox-barry-hall-says-he-needs-support/story-fndv8w9k-1227004436829
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The AFL prosecution is asking for 5 weeks at the Tribunal. With Vickery pleading guilty, he may end up with 4 weeks.
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He'll be back for the Sydney game to kick 6 and we make finals
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Vickery's counsel now telling the jury he was responding to the elbow from Cox. It was unacceptable the way he overstepped the line.
The transcript of Vickery's public apology is being submitted to the Tribunal.
"It's an indication of the genuineness of the apology".
Tovey QC: "It is, once you get to severe, at the low end of the severe range".
Both sides seem happy with a penalty of 5 down to 4, with allowances for a guilty plea discount.
That's just the submission though, easy for the jury to come up with a higher penalty...
Chairman David Jones summarising now.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-29/tribunal-live-vickery
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Did big cox get a week?
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Did big cox get a week?
Course not
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The penalty will take into account Vickery's guilty plea, his carryover points, the medical report from WC ….
Jones says this is a serious case, but it's not a case where there were any facial fractures suffered.
"It does seem that it was a spur of the moment reaction t something that happened previously."
"He is contrite and remorseful in terms of his actions, and that seems to be very clear."
"That is genuine on his part" - Jones
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-29/tribunal-live-vickery
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Jones says the 25 per cent discount could be regarded as appropriate when looking at the penalty.
Jones says the level below this charge would draw 425 points. It could be appropriate to come up with a penalty the next step up (525 points).
43.75 carryover points have to be included in the jury's consideration, and form part of the final penalty.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-29/tribunal-live-vickery
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We're out now as the jury deliberates.
Will update soon.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-29/tribunal-live-vickery
Sounds like it will be 4 weeks.
525 points + 43.75 carryover points - 25% discount = 4 weeks.
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4 weeks it is
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495 points
4 weeks and 95 carryover, he can play in the final round of the season.
that includes his 43.75 carryover and the discount for an early guilty plea.
And that's it.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-29/tribunal-live-vickery
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Ready for finals! ;D
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From SEN:
Vickery post-tribunal said he got a fair hearing and he accepts the penalty.
He'll be endeavouring to play hard and tough as his teammates want but without overstepping the mark.
The incident was on Friday night so it's been hanging over his head the whole weekend. He's happy to get a conclusion to the matter and he will train hard to play in round 23.
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From SEN:
Vickery post-tribunal said he got a fair hearing and he accepts the penalty.
He'll be endeavouring to play hard and tough as his teammates want but without overstepping the mark.
The incident was on Friday night so it's been hanging over his head the whole weekend. He's happy to get a conclusion to the matter and he will train hard to play in round 23.
So we end up with the penalty he would have got if the MRP had of done their job properly
Terrific, just terrific TM
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Ready for finals! ;D
silly ;D
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From SEN:
Vickery post-tribunal said he got a fair hearing and he accepts the penalty.
He'll be endeavouring to play hard and tough as his teammates want but without overstepping the mark.
The incident was on Friday night so it's been hanging over his head the whole weekend. He's happy to get a conclusion to the matter and he will train hard to play in round 23.
So we end up with the penalty he would have got if the MRP had of done their job properly
Terrific, just terrific TM
Its Richmond they are dealing with. They were hoping he would get more at the tribunal cause we always get shafted.
Meanwhile Cox gets off free. He can elbow anybody he wants
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Aaaaaaand do we get screwed again? Yes we do. 4 weeks worth of rectal pounding by the devil himself. A
Mr change name coz I'm a sook who also changes clubs got 3 for a life threatening strangle. Mr change. Indeed.
Should have got 3 weeks max with 2 more appropriate given it was clearly retaliation.
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Damn. Out of Brownlow contention now.
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Damn. Out of Brownlow contention now.
It's worse than that Dwaino, this is a direct attempt by the AFL to derail our charge to the finals
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I don't like it and I have the right to say it
Seriously this decision got filtered through Dean Cox's catheter bag from Friday night.
We got rolled. Again
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The more the show the incident on TV, The more l like it. He should have shaped up & took a few more of them on. Best thing l seen since Barry Hall left hooked Staker :clapping ;D
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The more the show the incident on TV, The more l like it. He should have shaped up & took a few more of them on. Best thing l seen since Barry Hall left hooked Staker :clapping ;D
Ain't it sweet?
Seriously, half the reason people across a broad spectrum are up in arms is that the whole incident reinforces Richmond on the front foot for a change.
And anyone over 35 knows has psychological sensitivity about that.
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#standbyTy
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The overall outcome from the suspension is someone now has to stand up & take Tyrone's place in the team. l hope we see the real Ben Griffiths in the next 4 games as he will have no excuses not to perform. The pressure will be lifted now that he has been prepared for the same position as Tyrone. It's game on. Griffith must take the bull by the horns. ;D
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The more the show the incident on TV, The more l like it. He should have shaped up & took a few more of them on. Best thing l seen since Barry Hall left hooked Staker :clapping ;D
:yep ;D
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The overall outcome from the suspension is someone now has to stand up & take Tyrone's place in the team. l hope we see the real Ben Griffiths in the next 4 games as he will have no excuses not to perform. The pressure will be lifted now that he has been prepared for the same position as Tyrone. It's game on. Griffith must take the bull by the horns. ;D
Agree TM, almost his last chance you would think but it's a bloody good one. Spotlight will be on.
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Vickery happy with four-week AFL ban
West Australian/AAP
By Rob Forsaith
July 29, 2014, 4:46 pm WST
Richmond's Tyrone Vickery expressed relief after the AFL tribunal gave him a four-week ban for clocking Dean Cox.
Vickery's striking charge was referred directly to the tribunal, whose members retired for six minutes on Tuesday night before agreeing on the penalty.
Both AFL legal counsel Andrew Woods and player advocate Michael Tovey QC had agreed a ban of five weeks, reduced to four with a guilty plea, was correct.
The 24-year-old pleaded guilty at the start of proceedings, while the three-man tribunal panel were given a transcript of his public apology to the iconic West Coast ruckman on Sunday.
Vickery was given a penalty of 495 demerit points, meaning 95 carryover points will be hanging over his head when the Tigers play Sydney at ANZ Stadium on August 30.
The forward will miss matches against GWS, Essendon, Adelaide and St Kilda before being available for selection in the final round of the season.
Vickery, who knocked out Cox while the veteran was watching the ball at a boundary throw-in, was happy with the result.
"I got a fair trial and a fair hearing. That (four weeks) was the conclusion and we accept it," Vickery said.
"Very happy to now have a conclusion to it. I'm able to train hard for the next four weeks and give myself a chance to potentially play in the last round.
"I'm thrilled to have the opportunity to potentially play again this season."
Vickery said he was glad the incident was over and pledged to "play hard and aggressive, but not overstep the mark which is what I owe - especially to my teammates".
Speaking on radio station 3AW, 1988 Brownlow medallist Gerard Healy suggested Vickery could consider himself "a very lucky man".
"For mine, five weeks was the minimum, six wouldn't have surprised," Healy said.
Vickery joins Brian Lake in copping a four-week suspension - the sternest punishment handed out by the tribunal this season.
But as opposed to Lake's case, when the Hawthorn defender unsuccessfully argued he was trying to grab Petrie's guernsey and not his throat, this time it was all very agreeable at the tribunal.
Tovey made the point no bones were broken and that the incident was on the lower scale of severe impact.
But both he and Woods agreed the blow was intentional, severe impact and high contact - and Vickery was not called on to testify.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/24574045/vickery-to-front-tribunal/
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Three culprits in Vickery-Cox incident
Tim Lane
The Age
July 29, 2014 - 5:57PM
A sequence of events which began at a boundary throw-in last Friday night has culminated in Tyrone Vickery’s suspension. A breach of the rules as execrable and blatant as his knock-out blow to Dean Cox could not but be severely punished.
So Cox has been injured and Vickery suspended. The tragedy, though, is that this should never have happened.
In lashing out angrily as he did, Vickery was responding to an obvious breach of the rules by Cox. In the manner that makes old ruckmen misty-eyed, the Eagles veteran had belted Vickery in the guts with his elbow before the ball was thrown in.
Let’s consider that action. The ball is not in play, which is significant; one player deliberately swings his arm back and strikes his opponent; that opponent – 98 kilograms of him – is put on the deck grimacing in pain. And no free kick is awarded.
How different it would have been had umpire Jeff Dalgleish blown his whistle, awarded Vickery the free to which he was entitled, and told Cox he would report him if the action was repeated. Cox would not have suffered concussion and Vickery would be playing this week.
The fact is there were three culprits in this sorry scenario. The one who had the power to nip the chain reaction in the bud failed in his job and, indeed, in his duty of care.
Football is a tough game and umpires have the task of enforcing the rules so that, as far as possible, pain doesn’t turn to anger and anger to violence. It’s interesting that the umpire’s role in this incident has barely been the subject of comment. In this, I too plead guilty.
In weekend radio discussions about the matter, where assessments and judgments were made, I found myself seduced by the salacious element of the knock-out punch. It wasn’t until I watched the Monday night television analysis that the screamingly obvious occurred to me.
And this is symptomatic of what happens in this era of non-interventionist umpiring. We are all numbed to the constant reality of important free kicks being ignored.
When it comes to apportioning blame for this, Dalgleish is well down the totem pole. The AFL football operations department, the umpiring coaches, the rules committee, and even some influential commentators are above those who blow the whistle. The umpiring department now concedes Dalgleish should have paid Vickery a free kick. They should be asking themselves why such oversights might occur.
Leigh Matthews said on 3AW recently that, as a coach, you would never tell your players not to make mistakes because that would paralyse them. Matthews opined that in telling umpires only to pay what the metaphorical fan in the back row can see – this year’s stated approach – the umpires’ coaches are effectively doing this. Better to not blow the whistle than blow it and risk getting it wrong. If you doubt that one umpire’s inaction can have serious consequences, just ask Ty Vickery and Dean Cox.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/three-culprits-in-vickerycox-incident-20140729-zy86y.html#ixzz38rN4LbRM
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Vickery, who knocked out Cox while the veteran was watching the ball at a boundary throw-in, was happy with the result.
They were both watching the ball ::)
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Spot on Tim Lane :clapping
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Careful Lane, the AFL might put a hit out on you after that article. Can't have people telling it like it is
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Legally that makes the AFL liable.
Pursue it RFC!!!
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He must have read my post!
Bravo Mr. Lane!
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of course he did....
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Or grown men could learn the lesson they were supposed to learn as 3 year olds, which is you can't just belt someone who does the wrong thing by you.
No wonder Tim Lane produced the daughter he did, what a flog.
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Enjoy your retirement Cox. Glad you won't remember your last game against Richmond. Hopefully if you go and play suburban footy or any type of footy again you are smart enough to think twice before doing what you did to Ty Vickery last Friday night. If you do it again I hope you get smashed again. Well done Ty. See you in round 23.
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Or grown men could learn the lesson they were supposed to learn as 3 year olds, which is you can't just belt someone who does the wrong thing by you.
No wonder Tim Lane produced the daughter he did, what a flog.
What's wrong with Sam?
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Or grown men could learn the lesson they were supposed to learn as 3 year olds, which is you can't just belt someone who does the wrong thing by you.
Why not?
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Or grown men could learn the lesson they were supposed to learn as 3 year olds, which is you can't just belt someone who does the wrong thing by you.
No wonder Tim Lane produced the daughter he did, what a flog.
What's wrong with Sam?
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Not much until she speaks. Or writes.
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At least Tim Lane calls it, the rest of the emotional arse lickers just make me sick.
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Or grown men could learn the lesson they were supposed to learn as 3 year olds, which is you can't just belt someone who does the wrong thing by you.
No wonder Tim Lane produced the daughter he did, what a flog.
That is way too harsh. Haven't you ever lost your temper? The guy had no time to cool down and think about what his response would be. Had he had time I'm sure he wouldn't have done what he did.
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Lane was right about the umpire TBR, Why did he let a strike on Vickery slide? Should of been a free kick but, he was thinking oh not Coxy, he will get reported by the match review panel if draw attention to that! He is the retiring hero! The only reason he got off with it in the end was coz they felt sorry for him copping a cut lunch and then a face full of subiaco for dessert.
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Eagles fans say they'd happily take on Tyrone Vickery again
Simon White
The Age
July 30, 2014 - 12:13PM
Two West Coast Eagles fan who engaged in a passionate tete-a-tete with Richmond's Tyrone Vickery on Friday night say they did not overstep the mark and would not hesitate to repeat their actions.
Ben and James - who made contact with Radio 6PR Breakfast on Wednesday morning - banged on the top of the Richmond dugout and gave Vickery a spray after he knocked out Eagles champion Dean Cox in a second-quarter ruck clash.
The pair were described as "lunatics hanging over the fence" in post-match comments by Richmond coach Damien Hardwick, who added "I don't know another profession in the world where you can walk into a bank teller and start calling them names like that."
But Ben and James both denied swearing at Vickery.
"I was the guy in the black hoodie," Ben said.
"We're just passionate supporters who love the Eagles, we didn't swear or anything like that. We were just sticking up for Coxy.
"[Vickery told us] we didn't know what we're talking about, in a friendly way. We copped more from Choco [Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams].
"There was no abuse at all. We'd never do anything to a player. But if players stand up for themselves, then so should spectators."
James said he just told Vickery to enjoy his inevitable suspension. The ruckman-forward was given a four-match ban by the AFL tribunal on Tuesday night.
"I would have liked six but at the end of day four is fair enough," James said.
"We just said it [the hit on Cox] was a real low act and 'enjoy your holiday mate'.
"[Security told us to] Keep it down a bit. I don't swear at the footy, it's a family affair."
Asked if he would engage an opposing player in a similar manner in the future, James replied "bloody oath".
Vickery's four-match suspension has triggered controversy, with several commentators - including Brownlow medallist Gerard Healy and Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley - saying they expected a week or two more after the case was referred directly to the tribunal.
Vickery's suspension was reduced from five to four weeks because of his guilty plea and the 24-year-old will be free to play again in round 23 - and finals, in the event the Tigers make it to September.
Vickery issued an unreserved apology to Cox on Sunday morning.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/eagles-fans-say-theyd-happily-take-on-tyrone-vickery-again-20140730-zyf5l.html
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If you didn't know any better you would think Vickery stabbed him.
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If you didn't know any better you would think Vickery stabbed him.
And violated his cat
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That is way too harsh. Haven't you ever lost your temper? The guy had no time to cool down and think about what his response would be. Had he had time I'm sure he wouldn't have done what he did.
That what discipline is though, controlling your response no matter what the situation.
Lane was right about the umpire TBR, Why did he let a strike on Vickery slide? Should of been a free kick but, he was thinking oh not Coxy, he will get reported by the match review panel if draw attention to that! He is the retiring hero! The only reason he got off with it in the end was coz they felt sorry for him copping a cut lunch and then a face full of subiaco for dessert.
I'm with the umpire on this one, and the MRP who thought it not enough of a strike to warrant a report.
That stuff happens in AFL footy 1000 times a game. I've seen Vickery himself sink elbows into every opponent who comes within reach over the past few games.
If the argument is should all of those knocks be pinged with free kicks then that is a different question but I guarantee if Vickery had landed the first one and the umpy paid a free kick we would all be saying how soft it was.
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That is way too harsh. Haven't you ever lost your temper? The guy had no time to cool down and think about what his response would be. Had he had time I'm sure he wouldn't have done what he did.
That what discipline is though, controlling your response no matter what the situation.
Lane was right about the umpire TBR, Why did he let a strike on Vickery slide? Should of been a free kick but, he was thinking oh not Coxy, he will get reported by the match review panel if draw attention to that! He is the retiring hero! The only reason he got off with it in the end was coz they felt sorry for him copping a cut lunch and then a face full of subiaco for dessert.
I'm with the umpire on this one, and the MRP who thought it not enough of a strike to warrant a report.
That stuff happens in AFL footy 1000 times a game. I've seen Vickery himself sink elbows into every opponent who comes within reach over the past few games.
If the argument is should all of those knocks be pinged with free kicks then that is a different question but I guarantee if Vickery had landed the first one and the umpy paid a free kick we would all be saying how soft it was.
The fact the incident was actually cited and referred means it HAD TO BE A FREE KICK!!!!! Sure it wasn't reportable, but an elbow in the guts causing a player to double up in front of an umpire is almost guaranteed to be a free kick. Sure many are not seen and therefore not paid, but this happened directly in front of the umpire and should have been a free kick. I can't understand how you can say it should't be when 1000% softer frees are paid each game.
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Asked if he would engage an opposing player in a similar manner in the future, James replied "bloody oath".
What they should've asked James is if he'd engage an opposing player one on one , face to face outside the ground. I very much doubt the response would be ' bloody oath '
More likely " no coz I'm a weak coward and Tyrone would punch the living **** out of me "
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Or grown men could learn the lesson they were supposed to learn as 3 year olds, which is you can't just belt someone who does the wrong thing by you.
I prefer an eye for an eye.
Don't get mad, get even.
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Eagles fans say they'd happily take on Tyrone Vickery again
Simon White
The Age
July 30, 2014 - 12:13PM
Two West Coast Eagles fan who engaged in a passionate tete-a-tete with Richmond's Tyrone Vickery on Friday night say they did not overstep the mark and would not hesitate to repeat their actions.
Ben and James - who made contact with Radio 6PR Breakfast on Wednesday morning - banged on the top of the Richmond dugout and gave Vickery a spray after he knocked out Eagles champion Dean Cox in a second-quarter ruck clash.
The pair were described as "lunatics hanging over the fence" in post-match comments by Richmond coach Damien Hardwick, who added "I don't know another profession in the world where you can walk into a bank teller and start calling them names like that."
But Ben and James both denied swearing at Vickery.
"I was the guy in the black hoodie," Ben said.
"We're just passionate supporters who love the Eagles, we didn't swear or anything like that. We were just sticking up for Coxy.
"[Vickery told us] we didn't know what we're talking about, in a friendly way. We copped more from Choco [Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams].
"There was no abuse at all. We'd never do anything to a player. But if players stand up for themselves, then so should spectators."
James said he just told Vickery to enjoy his inevitable suspension. The ruckman-forward was given a four-match ban by the AFL tribunal on Tuesday night.
"I would have liked six but at the end of day four is fair enough," James said.
"We just said it [the hit on Cox] was a real low act and 'enjoy your holiday mate'.
"[Security told us to] Keep it down a bit. I don't swear at the footy, it's a family affair."
Asked if he would engage an opposing player in a similar manner in the future, James replied "bloody oath".
Vickery's four-match suspension has triggered controversy, with several commentators - including Brownlow medallist Gerard Healy and Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley - saying they expected a week or two more after the case was referred directly to the tribunal.
Vickery's suspension was reduced from five to four weeks because of his guilty plea and the 24-year-old will be free to play again in round 23 - and finals, in the event the Tigers make it to September.
Vickery issued an unreserved apology to Cox on Sunday morning.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/eagles-fans-say-theyd-happily-take-on-tyrone-vickery-again-20140730-zyf5l.html
James was mouthing off on Facebook how he gave it to Vickery & was big noting himself. Pitiful really
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James is my hero. I wanna be like him one day.
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Takes a tough kent to pot players over the fence when they can't do anything back.
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Resembled a reasonable ugly baboon
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Resembled a reasonable ugly baboon
And that sort of talk got a 13 year old girl publicly hung, drawn and quartered by our resident racist Australian Of The Year. :whistle
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Your allowed to say it about white people
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Your allowed to say it about white people
Sadly Bents, you are so right.
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Resembled a reasonable ugly baboon
And that sort of talk got a 13 year old girl publicly hung, drawn and quartered by our resident racist Australian Of The Year. :whistle
To be fair, she was a little, fat, albino baboon.
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the one time your cheering the tribunal on and they still let you down. ffs 4 weeks why could it not be 10.