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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 🏅Dooks on August 13, 2014, 07:59:53 PM
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Vote up.
Where is the club heading and are you content with 2014?
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I voted for "it depends if we make the finals or not".
Surely if we make the finals coming from 3-10 most here would be content.
If you expected to be top 4, you were overestimating how good the team really is.
As claw says, we a re a middle of the road team. Making the finals from a poor start would be something a Richmond team has rarely done before (or any team for that matter).
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Winning a final should be an option, that's what I think the bottom line is.
Just making them means nothing.
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The answer is clearly no Big Fella.
We totally ****ed up the first half of the season but if can we dig ourselves out of this sh** and make finals then that'd be something that's never been done before so there's a heap of merit in that.
If we can handle the big occasion this week and win , then beat St.Kilda and then take it up to Sydney ( even if we miss finals ) I'll be closer to thinking we're on the right track.If we fold like a deck of cards in any of the next three games as we usually do then I couldn't give a **** about these 6 wins in a row.
The good teams just bring it every week.
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The answer is clearly no Big Fella.
We totally ****ed up the first half of the season but if can we dig ourselves out of this sh** and make finals then that'd be something that's never been done before so there's a heap of merit in that.
If we can handle the big occasion this week and win , then beat St.Kilda and then take it up to Sydney ( even if we miss finals ) I'll be closer to thinking we're on the right track.If we fold like a deck of cards in any of the next three games as we usually do then I couldn't give a **** about these 6 wins in a row.
The good teams just bring it every week.
qft
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Who knows?
I like the latest talk from the club that they've raised the standards at training etc.
I like that they won't reward the youngsters unless they "earn" the senior call up & the right to wear the jumper but it would be better if this was the norm for the mature players also.
We will find out more during trade period too if these higher standards have extended to the recruitment department and we can only hope that development have raised their standards also.
We only can judge it by what we see and in the last six weeks there has been some definite improvements but I'm not completely satisfied yet, but it's a step in the right direction.
I only hope this year is the wake up call they really needed to finally rid the club of the culture of mediocrity. I hope we all can achieve the success we all crave and this isn't another false dawn.
Let's all learn from BJ's example and project some positive vibes at seasons end and maybe we can all celebrate another finals appearance soon. :shh
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Ask me that question in three weeks ::)
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Who knows?
I like the latest talk from the club that they've raised the standards at training etc.
I like that they won't reward the youngsters unless they "earn" the senior call up & the right to wear the jumper but it would be better if this was the norm for the mature players also.
We will find out more during trade period too if these higher standards have extended to the recruitment department and we can only hope that development have raised their standards also.
We only can judge it by what we see and in the last six weeks there has been some definite improvements but I'm not completely satisfied yet, but it's a step in the right direction.
I only hope this year is the wake up call they really needed to finally rid the club of the culture of mediocrity. I hope we all can achieve the success we all crave and this isn't another false dawn.
Let's all learn from BJ's example and project some positive vibes at seasons end and maybe we can all celebrate another finals appearance soon. :shh
Much.
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:sleep topics been done to death
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I voted yes I reckon its been good for the club to realise we're not that strong a list. I suppose I might have said undecided until next year's draft. A bunch of average AFL standard players and 6 good ones. We need more good ones and wasting top draft picks on hack ruckmen is not the way to go
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at the end of last yr i was pretty adamant that we must stay in rebuild mode by cutting reasonably heavy and continuing to take a good share of kids. i argued we were a middling side despite having just played in a final.
ffs have we improved on last yr?? have players been better no freakin way?? . we have gone backwards despite some face saving wins against mainly ordinary or badly out of form sides.
and we have done it on the back of the same players who constanly are left holding the can.
miles apart what juniors have come thru and said yep i belong here.
i wasnt content last yr why the heck would i be content this yr when for the greater part of it they have been a rabble.
the current list may well scrape into finals this yr or even next yr. the problem is its just as likely to finish bottom 2 or 4 because far too much is left to far too few to carry the load. far too many if not duds borderline duds who cant sustain any sort of momentum because their deficiencies just wont allow it.
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at the end of last yr i was pretty adamant that we must stay in rebuild mode by cutting reasonably heavy and continuing to take a good share of kids. i argued we were a middling side despite having just played in a final.
ffs have we improved on last yr?? have players been better no freakin way?? . we have gone backwards despite some face saving wins against mainly ordinary or badly out of form sides.
and we have done it on the back of the same players who constanly are left holding the can.
miles apart what juniors have come thru and said yep i belong here.
i wasnt content last yr why the heck would i be content this yr when for the greater part of it they have been a rabble.
the current list may well scrape into finals this yr or even next yr. the problem is its just as likely to finish bottom 2 or 4 because far too much is left to far too few to carry the load. far too many if not duds borderline duds who cant sustain any sort of momentum because their deficiencies just wont allow it.
Sometimes you are too pessimistic claw. Lighten up and enjoy the footy mate. We will not finish bottom 2 next year.
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No way we could finish bottom 4
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The focus this off-season has to be addressing the losses and why they happened, not kidding ourselves yet again that we're "really not that far away" because we came home with a wet sail once the pressure was off.
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No, I am still at a loss at how really awful we were at the start of the year.
Can never forgive them that game against Melbourne, we wont make finals and dont deserve too on that alone.
That said had a ball the last 6 weeks and not just because we're winning but te way we are playing.
Just hope to god they learnt a lesson that burns deep into next year and we are ready to go round 1.
I dont expect miracles and sure we will have dropouts along the way, but once again that sheight put up earlier this year UNACCEPTABLE.
Still hoping :pray
:gotigers
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CUB, you are one of the better posters on this forum and you have 100% nailed it on this thread topic :thumbsup
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And let this fact not be overlooked, when the team was slumping the coach had no answers.
By all accounts it took the ruckman to turn the bus around.
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NO!
3-10, 7/8 matches lost.
Means nothing, season was over the Melbourne loss. Mentally shot after the Bulldogs loss.
These wins only keep Petterd, Edwards, Grigg, Newman on the list including our coaches.
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NO!
3-10, 7/8 matches lost.
Means nothing, season was over the Melbourne loss. Mentally shot after the Bulldogs loss.
These wins only keep Petterd, Edwards, Grigg, Newman on the list including our coaches.
Petterd has been one of our best players in this second half of the year. I never rated him but credit where credit is due. He's playing well. Edwards is our X-Factor and one of our best players. Grigg and Newman - I agree with you. Retire or trade.
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No given our easy draw we should have a minimum of 14 wins thus far based on recent form.
Club is in denial as per usual.
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people have spoken, the majority agree its a NO!
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So should the club now get rid of the players? Coach? Admin? Recruiters?
With everyone so unhappy should we make wholesale changes?
It seems to me that while the first half of the season was fair from acceptable, we learned from our mistakes and actually grown stronger from the experience. I think last year the club was happy to be winning but really didn't have a real idea the key components why. They now know.
The leaders have learned to lead - a first for our club. They are now demanding of each other and making each player accountable.
The biggest positive from a half year of negatives is that they have emerged stronger as a playing group. So why I am not content with this year, it has not been a wasted year by a long stretch imo :thumbsup
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That remains to be seen stripes...
how can you be so confident when in the past I have seen us at this very juncture several times since the mid 90's and every single time, instead of striving to get better with good old fashioned hard work and some tough list management decisions we go into cruise mode bc we get a false sense of security and think natural progression will get us there.
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No, I am still at a loss at how really awful we were at the start of the year.
Can never forgive them that game against Melbourne, we wont make finals and dont deserve too on that alone.
That said had a ball the last 6 weeks and not just because we're winning but te way we are playing.
Just hope to god they learnt a lesson that burns deep into next year and we are ready to go round 1.
I dont expect miracles and sure we will have dropouts along the way, but once again that sheight put up earlier this year UNACCEPTABLE.
Still hoping :pray
:gotigers
:clapping :bow :clapping
Nail on the head
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That remains to be seen stripes...
how can you be so confident when in the past I have seen us at this very juncture several times since the mid 90's and every single time, instead of striving to get better with good old fashioned hard work and some tough list management decisions we go into cruise mode bc we get a false sense of security and think natural progression will get us there.
The reason I have such optimism is it the first time I have seen or heard this group galvanize. Before that I have always heard how quite we are as a team or how introverted players are. I can't remember the last time we really had a leader or leaders who dragged the team along and demanded success. It has always been leaders who lead through 'on-field example' (ie code for playing well themselves and 'inspiring' others) rather than by directing their teams mates on and off the field. We have seemed to have turned a corner this half year as a playing group and I think we have finally begun building the foundations of a culture that we drive us towards the flag.
I think this year we did have a false sense of security and expected that it would happen through, as you say, natural progression. This time though, instead of hiding and hoping the blame and workload would be turned elsewhere (the coach usually), the leaders and playing group are demanding more of each other and have unified.
Perhaps I am too forgiving and positive but this is the difference for me.
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That remains to be seen stripes...
how can you be so confident when in the past I have seen us at this very juncture several times since the mid 90's and every single time, instead of striving to get better with good old fashioned hard work and some tough list management decisions we go into cruise mode bc we get a false sense of security and think natural progression will get us there.
The reason I have such optimism is it the first time I have seen or heard this group galvanize. Before that I have always heard how quite we are as a team or how introverted players are. I can't remember the last time we really had a leader or leaders who dragged the team along and demanded success. It has always been leaders who lead through 'on-field example' (ie code for playing well themselves and 'inspiring' others) rather than by directing their teams mates on and off the field. We have seemed to have turned a corner this half year as a playing group and I think we have finally begun building the foundations of a culture that we drive us towards the flag.
I think this year we did have a false sense of security and expected that it would happen through, as you say, natural progression. This time though, instead of hiding and hoping the blame and workload would be turned elsewhere (the coach usually), the leaders and playing group are demanding more of each other and have unified.
Perhaps I am too forgiving and positive but this is the difference for me.
and fair enough, we all want and hope the same - but for mine its a case of the boy who cried wolf, have heard it all before. Will wait to see if they walk the walk next season
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That remains to be seen stripes...
how can you be so confident when in the past I have seen us at this very juncture several times since the mid 90's and every single time, instead of striving to get better with good old fashioned hard work and some tough list management decisions we go into cruise mode bc we get a false sense of security and think natural progression will get us there.
The reason I have such optimism is it the first time I have seen or heard this group galvanize. Before that I have always heard how quite we are as a team or how introverted players are. I can't remember the last time we really had a leader or leaders who dragged the team along and demanded success. It has always been leaders who lead through 'on-field example' (ie code for playing well themselves and 'inspiring' others) rather than by directing their teams mates on and off the field. We have seemed to have turned a corner this half year as a playing group and I think we have finally begun building the foundations of a culture that we drive us towards the flag.
I think this year we did have a false sense of security and expected that it would happen through, as you say, natural progression. This time though, instead of hiding and hoping the blame and workload would be turned elsewhere (the coach usually), the leaders and playing group are demanding more of each other and have unified.
Perhaps I am too forgiving and positive but this is the difference for me.
and fair enough, we all want and hope the same - but for mine its a case of the boy who cried wolf, have heard it all before. Will wait to see if they walk the walk next season
:pray :gotigers
In saying everything I have I still don't think we'll make the finals unfortunately but not through lack of effort. I think we will be a strong team again next year though and the playing group will come out firing next year. Injures will be the only unknown quantity. :thumbsup
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So should the club now get rid of the players? Coach? Admin? Recruiters?
With everyone so unhappy should we make wholesale changes?
It seems to me that while the first half of the season was fair from acceptable, we learned from our mistakes and actually grown stronger from the experience. I think last year the club was happy to be winning but really didn't have a real idea the key components why. They now know.
The leaders have learned to lead - a first for our club. They are now demanding of each other and making each player accountable.
The biggest positive from a half year of negatives is that they have emerged stronger as a playing group. So why I am not content with this year, it has not been a wasted year by a long stretch imo :thumbsup
what is the proof of this?
beating the like of GWS in recent weeks?
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we learned from our mistakes and actually grown stronger from the experience.
what is the proof of this?
beating the like of GWS in recent weeks?
3-10 now 9-10. That's a fair switch don't you think? Port, West Coast and Bombers were tough games too.
All on the back of improved contested ball and run. Our improvement is all driven from the players demanding more of each other.
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Interesting poll construction there dooks.
There is one option for no, one for yes and two for undecided. To get a more accurate comparison it should have just been just yes or no as you gave fence sitters too much width.
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9 in a row for 9th.
Get it done Dimmer! :thumbsup
9 for 9 baby!
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9 in a row for 9th.
Get it done Dimmer! :thumbsup
9 for 9 baby!
What about we just try and lose every game every year instead of trying to make finals! Then we can get great draft picks that can will never develop or reach their potential continually like Melbourne :thumbsup
Who cares if we finish 9th as long as we fought the year out rather than fall to pieces. I'd rather rush up the ladder only to fall short finish 9th that be in the 8 all year only miss finals and finish 9th at the end of the season. At leaset you have something to take into the next year. :cheers
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So should the club now get rid of the players? Coach? Admin? Recruiters?
With everyone so unhappy should we make wholesale changes?
It seems to me that while the first half of the season was fair from acceptable, we learned from our mistakes and actually grown stronger from the experience. I think last year the club was happy to be winning but really didn't have a real idea the key components why. They now know.
The leaders have learned to lead - a first for our club. They are now demanding of each other and making each player accountable.
The biggest positive from a half year of negatives is that they have emerged stronger as a playing group. So why I am not content with this year, it has not been a wasted year by a long stretch imo :thumbsup
The season has been a failure and the playing group showed last year they have the ability to put together a good season.
The responsibility lies with the coaching staff.
I'd like to see Hardwick replaced, but given that won't happen a restructure of the rest of the coaching staff is the minimum I'd be happy with.
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So should the club now get rid of the players? Coach? Admin? Recruiters?
With everyone so unhappy should we make wholesale changes?
It seems to me that while the first half of the season was fair from acceptable, we learned from our mistakes and actually grown stronger from the experience. I think last year the club was happy to be winning but really didn't have a real idea the key components why. They now know.
The leaders have learned to lead - a first for our club. They are now demanding of each other and making each player accountable.
The biggest positive from a half year of negatives is that they have emerged stronger as a playing group. So why I am not content with this year, it has not been a wasted year by a long stretch imo :thumbsup
The season has been a failure and the playing group showed last year they have the ability to put together a good season.
The responsibility lies with the coaching staff.
I'd like to see Hardwick replaced, but given that won't happen a restructure of the rest of the coaching staff is the minimum I'd be happy with.
Its only a failure if nothing is learned and nothing has changed from the year. I agree with you though on the coaches - I'd like to see more coaches too.
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Its only a failure if nothing is learned and nothing has changed from the year.
I don't see how you can say that though.
The minimum standard this year should have been to win a final. To not do that has to be a failure.
Let's not forget the club's goal was to make 3 finals series and have 75k members by the end of this season.
Now either the people running the club have NFI and an unrealistic expectation or the season has been a spectacular failure.
Either way, people should be gone.
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Its only a failure if nothing is learned and nothing has changed from the year.
I don't see how you can say that though.
The minimum standard this year should have been to win a final. To not do that has to be a failure.
Let's not forget the club's goal was to make 3 finals series and have 75k members by the end of this season.
Now either the people running the club have NFI and an unrealistic expectation or the season has been a spectacular failure.
Either way, people should be gone.
In terms of the club goal of making 3 finals, yep this seasons been a failure. The first half of the season was an utter failure from all involved as far as I'm concerned and I don't care what the reasons or excuses - it was a balls up. But as a season in its entirety, I see we have learned from our mistakes. I see we have turned it around. I see our players have galvanized and unified. I see this 6 game winning steak is on the back of player leadership and expectations. That to me tells me that the second half of the season is an unmitigated success.
Based on the expectations of the start of the year making the top 4, winning a final etc - I have no defense for the club. We failed unquestionably. As to whether the season has been a failure (which I take as a step backwards), I disagree. I think we will be a much better team next year on the back of the lessons we learned from this year.
So I agree with you that this year was a failure in terms of win/loss but I disagree that it is a failure in terms of improvement. Again, just my take. :cheers
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Those who voted yes are less than 1 in 5.
Case closed really
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So should the club now get rid of the players? Coach? Admin? Recruiters?
With everyone so unhappy should we make wholesale changes?
It seems to me that while the first half of the season was fair from acceptable, we learned from our mistakes and actually grown stronger from the experience. I think last year the club was happy to be winning but really didn't have a real idea the key components why. They now know.
The leaders have learned to lead - a first for our club. They are now demanding of each other and making each player accountable.
The biggest positive from a half year of negatives is that they have emerged stronger as a playing group. So why I am not content with this year, it has not been a wasted year by a long stretch imo :thumbsup
The season has been a failure and the playing group showed last year they have the ability to put together a good season.
The responsibility lies with the coaching staff.
I'd like to see Hardwick replaced, but given that won't happen a restructure of the rest of the coaching staff is the minimum I'd be happy with.
The trouble with most here is that they overestimated how good we really are. We are a middle of the road team. The only thing is we had another soft draw and should have nailed it. Injuries to key players killed us.
If we can make finals from here and learn our lesson I will be happy. Not extatic, just content.
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Its only a failure if nothing is learned and nothing has changed from the year.
I don't see how you can say that though.
The minimum standard this year should have been to win a final. To not do that has to be a failure.
Let's not forget the club's goal was to make 3 finals series and have 75k members by the end of this season.
Now either the people running the club have NFI and an unrealistic expectation or the season has been a spectacular failure.
Either way, people should be gone.
In terms of the club goal of making 3 finals, yep this seasons been a failure. The first half of the season was an utter failure from all involved as far as I'm concerned and I don't care what the reasons or excuses - it was a balls up. But as a season in its entirety, I see we have learned from our mistakes. I see we have turned it around. I see our players have galvanized and unified. I see this 6 game winning steak is on the back of player leadership and expectations. That to me tells me that the second half of the season is an unmitigated success.
Based on the expectations of the start of the year making the top 4, winning a final etc - I have no defense for the club. We failed unquestionably. As to whether the season has been a failure (which I take as a step backwards), I disagree. I think we will be a much better team next year on the back of the lessons we learned from this year.
So I agree with you that this year was a failure in terms of win/loss but I disagree that it is a failure in terms of improvement. Again, just my take. :cheers
We will probably have to wait until next year to assess your theory unfortunately, but let's hope so.
Those who voted yes are less than 1 in 5.
Case closed really
Users who voted Yes:
D. Hardwick
B. Gale
Whatever our President's name is
Bojangles
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Those who voted yes are less than 1 in 5.
Case closed really
If life was a popularity contest Dooks we'd all be following Soccer and speaking Mandarin :P
By the way I didn't vote yes but if it was for the second part of the year I would have ;D
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The clearest sign we will have that we are on the right track is when we start beating the cats. :thumbsup
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at the end of last yr i was pretty adamant that we must stay in rebuild mode by cutting reasonably heavy and continuing to take a good share of kids. i argued we were a middling side despite having just played in a final.
ffs have we improved on last yr?? have players been better no freakin way?? . we have gone backwards despite some face saving wins against mainly ordinary or badly out of form sides.
and we have done it on the back of the same players who constanly are left holding the can.
miles apart what juniors have come thru and said yep i belong here.
i wasnt content last yr why the heck would i be content this yr when for the greater part of it they have been a rabble.
the current list may well scrape into finals this yr or even next yr. the problem is its just as likely to finish bottom 2 or 4 because far too much is left to far too few to carry the load. far too many if not duds borderline duds who cant sustain any sort of momentum because their deficiencies just wont allow it.
Sometimes you are too pessimistic claw. Lighten up and enjoy the footy mate. We will not finish bottom 2 next year.
wtf. did i say we would finish bottom 2. i used an analogy thats describes the exact way we have performed.
one thing i always keep in the back of the mind is the likely imporovement of other sides.
look no one can come on here and say in all reality that we dont have to improve pretty dramatically to compete with the big boys.
theres lots of middling sides just like us , the bar really has to raised quite dramatically if we wish to become a REGULAR competetive beast in the top echelon. mate i can without any hesitation see 30 players turned over in the next 3 or 4 yrs. think about it over 4 yrs that would be just 7.5 players a yr including rookies. i can say this because we have so many who have been around at a minimum 3 or 4 plus yrs and not actually established themselves. people need to stop confusing potential with performance.
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Would like to pose a question, if we were missing Lids, Maric and Rance, how many of the last 7 would we have won?Add Miles into the eequation and you can see that losing a handful of A graders can quickly derail a season. Trying to win races with a V8 running on 4 cylinders is just not going to happen. Very proud of the way the team has turned it around, will hold them in good stead for next season whatever happens. Hopefully we can draft well and in addition some of the young players in the magoos can step up next year to provide that depth you need to play regular finals football.
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Although I wonder about the intentions of TBR posting (sometimes ;D), it's hard not to think of 2008, 1998 & 1996 when considering 2014 and it's impact on 2015.
We won't really know whether 2014 was "the 9th we had to have" for another season or 2.
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Although I wonder about the intentions of TBR posting
I'd like to be remembered as a man who put a smile on the face of everyone he met.
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No
If we dont make finals we only have ourselves to blame.
We lost to fcking Melbourne and Footscray. And that is an indictment on the state of our club and the standards that were allowed to be implemented.
We should have been playing like this from R1 and if we had been playing properly we would have been easily entrenched in the 8 and preparing for another finals tilt.
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No
If we dont make finals we only have ourselves to blame.
We lost to stuffing Melbourne and Footscray. And that is an indictment on the state of our club and the standards that were allowed to be implemented.
We should have been playing like this from R1 and if we had been playing properly we would have been easily entrenched in the 8 and preparing for another finals tilt.
Spot on Ramps. Summed up very nicely. :thumbsup