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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 14, 2014, 01:28:09 PM
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Shifter Sheehan and Wallace just did a top 20 phantom draft on the TAC Cup Future Stars show.
They have Liam Duggan going to us at pick 11.
1. St K - Christian Petracca
2. Melb - Angus Brayshaw
3. GWS - Peter Wright
4. Bris - Patrick McCartin
5. WB - Jake Lever
6. Carl - Jayden Laverde
7. GC - Paul Ahern
8. Coll - Darcy Moore (F/S)
9. Adel - Sam Durdin
10. WCE - Jarrod Pickett
11. Rich - Liam Duggan
12. Freo - Kyle Langford
13. Geel - Caleb Marchbank
14. GC - Lachie Weller (compo pick)
15. NM - Ed Vickers-Willis
16. Port - Hugh Goddard
17. Haw - Tom Lamb
18. Syd - Issac Heeney (NSW Academy)
19. Ess - Clem Smith
20. GWS - Cory Ellis
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Who is he, what's his profile?
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Who is he, what's his profile?
Highlights Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfNG1QuDlUw
Liam Duggan
Western Jets/Vic Metro
11/12/96
183cm/76kg
Half-back/midfielder
Duggan's weapon is his left-foot disposal: he hits passes over short and long distances and likes having the ball in his hand. Generally that has been off half-back but recently he has moved into an inside midfield role, where he has excelled at TAC Cup level.
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/1_T05DSWJ14TK_1870.JPG)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-14/top-20-under18-players-to-watch
Liam Duggan
Height: 183cm
Weight: 76kg
From: Western Jets, Vic Metro
Position: Midfielder, Defender
Before now, I've largely looked at the some of the lesser known players and later round picks but it's time to look a bit closer to the top of the draft. And from a surprisingly talented Western Jets side (you don't say that very often) the best is Liam Duggan. He's had an interesting couple of months in terms of what people are saying about him. From a consensus top 10 pick prior to the Championships, now the likes of Callum Twomey and Jon Anderson haven't included Duggan in their early top 20 lists. So of course, people are jumping on that and proclaiming him to be a second round pick and not as good as first thought. But that doesn't bother me. Duggan was and still is one of the best midfielders in the draft. And yes, he's a midfielder.
Firstly, I think there is come confusion when it comes to the type of player that Duggan is. A lot of the talk around him is about him being a defender, but he is much more than. Yes, in the TAC Cup last year he played across half back. And it's a role he played again for Vic Metro in four of his five games in the U18 Championships this year. But in the TAC Cup this year, he has taken his game to a new level and that's by moving into the midfield - and into a genuine inside midfield role. It's back to the future for Duggan, as midfield is where he made his name in the U16s.
And a possible reason as to why he has dropped off in some people's minds, is because his final two matches in the U18 Championships were not quite as good as his first three - and as they were the televised games, that's what people will remember. But Duggan was consistent through all matches, and was able to show off a number of different skills and attributes. In the opening round, Duggan finished with 17 touches - 11 of which were contested. In Round 3, he finished with a huge 10 tackles. And across all five matches he played, Duggan finished with a disposal efficiency of around 75-80%. His 2014 TAC Cup season has been both consistent and excellent. Playing in the midfield, he has shown a good ability in close and is a better contested player than he gets credit for. Yes, there is still room for improvement and he doesn't compare to the absolute best clearance players in the draft but he can hold his own. The other pleasing aspect of his season to date is with his ability to push forward. And in one game in which Duggan was battling injury, he went forward and kicked 3 goals.
Duggan's disposal is a strength of his, both by foot and hand. He has shown himself to be a good kick over both short and long distance, and it's no surprise that Vic Metro were so keen to have him across half back. I'd rate him in the top handful of players when it comes to foot skills. His tackling pressure is another real positive to his game, whether he's down back or in the midfield he is always on the move and chasing down opponents. All in all, Duggan just does most things well.
In terms of weaknesses, I don't think there are a lot of major ones. You could argue that he is just good, not great in a lot of areas. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. His kicking isn't quite as good under pressure, but that's true of most players. Otherwise, he is a little like Heath Shaw as a defender. He can be shut out of the game when his opponent takes away his space and run, and last year his best performances came when his team was playing well. And that's one reason that I like him more in the midfield, he can work himself into the game and not worry so much about a direct opponent.
Personally, I still have him as one of the better midfielders in the draft and would be comfortable with spending a top 10 pick on Duggan. It seems like more than anything else, it's simply a case of some taller midfielders creating interest as opposed to Duggan falling away. But he is a versatile player, and capable of playing both an uncontested and contested game. He probably wont ever get there strength wise, but his game isn't too unlike that of Jimmy Bartel - Brownlow Medal aside of course.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/young-talent-time-2014.1050546/page-15#post-33957553
Pick 13: Port Adelaide – Liam Duggan
Position: Defender/midfielder
Height: 183 cm, Weight: 76 kg, DOB: 11/12/1996
Club: Western Jets
Projected draft range: 10-25
Player comparison: Steele Sidebottom
A bubbly character off-field, the ‘baby-faced assassin’ is another draft prospect that is gifted in terms of poise, hurt-factor and game-winning attributes. Duggan won the Ben Mitchell medal for this year’s AFL-AIS intake, and has an arsenal of weaponry that far exceeds most in this year’s draft crop. Playing in an array of positions, Duggan offers get-up-and-go from half back, is particularly dangerous around the stoppages and loves to run and carry with his line-breaking speed. The talented left footer has also shown he’s dangerous and effective around goal, kicking three final-quarter goals against the Northern Knights earlier in the year off just four disposals in a come-from-behind win. Duggan’s penetrating kick is his primary asset, but his ability to read the ball well in the air – along with both good vision and speed – suggests his best position will eventually be situated in defence. Despite his slim build, Duggan can win his own ball and tackles strongly. Coupled with his rebounding and attacking style of play complemented by his long left foot, Duggan will be highly rated among recruiters at year’s end.
Player Update: Duggan was named on a wing in the TAC Cup team of the year.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-4-0.1076624/
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Thanks OE.. :thumbsup
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I think we should trade our first pick for a second rate ruck or a soft outside mid fielder or an injury prone bloke or two from south Australia who can't get a game.
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I think we should trade our first pick for a second rate ruck or a soft outside mid fielder or bloke or two from south Australia who can't get a game.
Been there, done that. :'(
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Sounds like our man unless the mail on shiel to tigerland is right :shh
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I think we should trade our first pick for a second rate ruck or a soft outside mid fielder or an injury prone bloke or two from south Australia who can't get a game.
Greg Miller is that you? :dancing
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Sounds like our man unless the mail on shiel to tigerland is right :shh
Would back FJ and Blair to make the right call. They're always nailing these types of picks, star in waiting, don't worry about that :shh
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Hit the nail on the head :shh
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Hit the nail on the head :shh
Again ! :shh
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:shh :shh
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the more i have looked the more im hoping that jayden laverde slips to us. id classify him as a genuine utility, someone who can genuinely play anywhere. but im thinking he would be that genuine big bodied mid type with real skill and nous. for me the game is all about pace athleticism size and smarts with your early picks in particular.imo he has all these and more.
i usually like pproven players in the role i want them for and as a mid hes a risk but i have little doubt that this part of his game will develop.
if hes not there id like to have a crack at marchbank or lamb and go a mid with our second pick.
the ideal for me would be somehow getting our hands on a pick around 15 and having the best of both worlds. geez a draft that snared laverde and marchbank would have me real happy.
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the more i have looked the more im hoping that jayden laverde slips to us. id classify him as a genuine utility, someone who can genuinely play anywhere. but im thinking he would be that genuine big bodied mid type with real skill and nous. for me the game is all about pace athleticism size and smarts with your early picks in particular.imo he has all these and more.
i usually like pproven players in the role i want them for and as a mid hes a risk but i have little doubt that this part of his game will develop.
if hes not there id like to have a crack at marchbank or lamb and go a mid with our second pick.
the ideal for me would be somehow getting our hands on a pick around 15 and having the best of both worlds. geez a draft that snared laverde and marchbank would have me real happy.
the club wants Laverde but he won't be there IMHO claw.
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I reckon we should go for picket.
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we SHOULD b able to draft kids and turn them into guns.......should...
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Whats the odds Cory Ellis ends up better than Christian Petracca?
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Shifter Sheehan and Wallace just did a top 20 phantom draft on the TAC Cup Future Stars show.
They have Liam Duggan going to us at pick 11.
1. St K - Christian Petracca
2. Melb - Angus Brayshaw
3. GWS - Peter Wright
4. Bris - Patrick McCartin
5. WB - Jake Lever
6. Carl - Jayden Laverde
7. GC - Paul Ahern
8. Coll - Darcy Moore (F/S)
9. Adel - Sam Durdin
10. WCE - Jarrod Pickett
11. Rich - Liam Duggan
12. Freo - Kyle Langford
13. Geel - Caleb Marchbank
14. GC - Lachie Weller (compo pick)
15. NM - Ed Vickers-Willis
16. Port - Hugh Goddard
17. Haw - Tom Lamb
18. Syd - Issac Heeney (NSW Academy)
19. Ess - Clem Smith
20. GWS - Cory Ellis
To be honest, anyone from 5 to 17 will be a good player. There is a lot of luck (and good culture) then determining who out of those will become A graders.
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we SHOULD b able to draft kids and turn them into guns.......should...
who is going to do that mate. Mcqualter, T Clarke, Bailey. Come on.
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Should be looking for a Fyfe type player, not just a mid or far ward or back etc....utilities are the go these days!!
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Should be looking for a Fyfe type player, not just a mid or far ward or back etc....utilities are the go these days!!
Yes a couple of Fyfe's would be nice. Although I would say he is a genuine mid that just gets to those other areas.
Best player in the league at the minute for mine.
Didn't we draft Griff in front of him :whistle well played FJ :wallywink
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Should be looking for a Fyfe type player, not just a mid or far ward or back etc....utilities are the go these days!!
Yes a couple of Fyfe's would be nice. Although I would say he is a genuine mid that just gets to those other areas.
Best player in the league at the minute for mine.
Didn't we draft Griff in front of him :whistle well played FJ :wallywink
You have an unhealthy obsession in bringing Griffiths into all conversations you can so you can bag him. Has he done something to you or a family member?
The fact is 17 other clubs passed on Fyfe including Freo with their first choice. Can you say you screamed on this site at the time of the draft to demand we draft Fyfe? I don't think so.
So take off your retrospectroscope glasses bt because most here find it painful when they have to read criticisms based purely on hindsight.:
And by the way Griffiths has done a lot better than:
Anthony Morabito (injury prone+++)
John Butcher
Jordan Gysberts
Kane Lucas
Christian Howard
Luke Tapscott
These guys were all selected ahead of him. So just give it a break with Griff!
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Should be looking for a Fyfe type player, not just a mid or far ward or back etc....utilities are the go these days!!
Yes a couple of Fyfe's would be nice. Although I would say he is a genuine mid that just gets to those other areas.
Best player in the league at the minute for mine.
Didn't we draft Griff in front of him :whistle well played FJ :wallywink
You have an unhealthy obsession in bringing Griffiths into all conversations you can so you can bag him. Has he done something to you or a family member?
The fact is 17 other clubs passed on Fyfe including Freo with their first choice. Can you say you screamed on this site at the time of the draft to demand we draft Fyfe? I don't think so.
So take off your retrospectroscope glasses bt because most here find it painful when they have to read criticisms based purely on hindsight.:
And by the way Griffiths has done a lot better than:
Anthony Morabito (injury prone+++)
John Butcher
Jordan Gysberts
Kane Lucas
Christian Howard
Luke Tapscott
These guys were all selected ahead of him. So just give it a break with Griff!
First of all I'll try and keep the insults out of it but I find it extremely hard with you. One thing I hate more than debating footy with someone that IMO has NFI is someone that try's to speak for others on here. Happy to hear what you think but don't lump others in on what you think, just to try to help your post, everyone can speak for themselves.
The last few posts before yours were about Fyfe and what a star I think he is, and when I think of or watch him running around I think if we had of got it right we would have this bloke running around for us. That fact we took Griff before him is something that we all have to live with, just like the Bling before Buddy draft disaster. Nothing unhealthily about it, just there for all to see. And for me to bring up on a Tigers forum.
Griff hasn't done anything to any of my family member because they don't support the Tigers, but I do, and having to watch a pick 19, 200cm, 100KG player like Griff play as soft has he has done, does hurt me considering we could have had Fyfe who as I said I think is the best player in the game at the moment. Nothing wrong with wanting that I would think.
Also saying 17 other clubs past on him is just stupid too, we took Dusty with our first pick which I am really happy with. We didn't pass on Fyfe we chose a star of the game before him.
And lastly saying that its painful to read criticisms retrospectively is also stupid IMO, it's the only way a fact can be a fact is when the event has happened and you can see the result.
Think what you like about Griff, to be totally honest I can see why you would like him but I don't, I can see past a few nice marks and his long kicking, and think he will do nothing for our club. I think it was a massive mistake in taking him at all because he doesn't have what it takes IMO to be a consistent AFL player. I don't think I sit on the fence about my opinions on players and I recon I have got a few right over my time on here.
Hindsight is the only way that we will know if you or are are right about big Griff but until then I will continue to post what I want to about him whether you like it or not.
So just suck it up!
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Should be looking for a Fyfe type player, not just a mid or far ward or back etc....utilities are the go these days!!
Yes a couple of Fyfe's would be nice. Although I would say he is a genuine mid that just gets to those other areas.
Best player in the league at the minute for mine.
Didn't we draft Griff in front of him :whistle well played FJ :wallywink
You have an unhealthy obsession in bringing Griffiths into all conversations you can so you can bag him. Has he done something to you or a family member?
The fact is 17 other clubs passed on Fyfe including Freo with their first choice. Can you say you screamed on this site at the time of the draft to demand we draft Fyfe? I don't think so.
So take off your retrospectroscope glasses bt because most here find it painful when they have to read criticisms based purely on hindsight.:
And by the way Griffiths has done a lot better than:
Anthony Morabito (injury prone+++)
John Butcher
Jordan Gysberts
Kane Lucas
Christian Howard
Luke Tapscott
These guys were all selected ahead of him. So just give it a break with Griff!
First of all I'll try and keep the insults out of it but I find it extremely hard with you. One thing I hate more than debating footy with someone that IMO has NFI is someone that try's to speak for others on here. Happy to hear what you think but don't lump others in on what you think, just to try to help your post, everyone can speak for themselves.
The last few posts before yours were about Fyfe and what a star I think he is, and when I think of or watch him running around I think if we had of got it right we would have this bloke running around for us. That fact we took Griff before him is something that we all have to live with, just like the Bling before Buddy draft disaster. Nothing unhealthily about it, just there for all to see. And for me to bring up on a Tigers forum.
Griff hasn't done anything to any of my family member because they don't support the Tigers, but I do, and having to watch a pick 19, 200cm, 100KG player like Griff play as soft has he has done, does hurt me considering we could have had Fyfe who as I said I think is the best player in the game at the moment. Nothing wrong with wanting that I would think.
Also saying 17 other clubs past on him is just stupid too, we took Dusty with our first pick which I am really happy with. We didn't pass on Fyfe we chose a star of the game before him.
And lastly saying that its painful to read criticisms retrospectively is also stupid IMO, it's the only way a fact can be a fact is when the event has happened and you can see the result.
Think what you like about Griff, to be totally honest I can see why you would like him but I don't, I can see past a few nice marks and his long kicking, and think he will do nothing for our club. I think it was a massive mistake in taking him at all because he doesn't have what it takes IMO to be a consistent AFL player. I don't think I sit on the fence about my opinions on players and I recon I have got a few right over my time on here.
Hindsight is the only way that we will know if you or are are right about big Griff but until then I will continue to post what I want to about him whether you like it or not.
So just suck it up!
Of course you can bring up Griff on the Tigers forum, but you have already done this on countless occasions and this thread is on pick 11 not why we picked Griff over Fyfe! That is why it comes over as an unhealthy obsession for bagging Griff.
You conveniently did not argue the point I made with Griff having performed better than many selected before him in the draft too!
I also do not necessarily think Griff will be a superstar despite what you say. He is, however, a Richmond player who has actually just committed to the club for another two years. As such, I feel I need to support him because that is what true supporters do. Yes he has been soft on occasions but you also ignore occasions where he has stood up in absolutely crunch times. He is still developing and with more game time and another preseason will improve further. How much further is anyones guess, but most reasonable judges will tell you he has the tools to be a very good player. It will be up to him and his coaches to maximise his potential.
And just like Tambling over Franklin, we need to move on and stop going over old ground time and time again. If you do wish to do so, pick the appropriate thread and not go off topic with your rants. This is about pick 11. Why don't you tell us who you think will be available at this pick and who we should go for. It's your chance not to use hindsight for a change. Go on I look forward to your suggestions as you obviously have a good eye for talent.
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Riccardo Montleban & Tattoo the midget are right in the frame of our recruiters.
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We leg speed fullstop.
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We leg speed fullstop.
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echo echo
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Should be looking for a Fyfe type player, not just a mid or far ward or back etc....utilities are the go these days!!
Yes a couple of Fyfe's would be nice. Although I would say he is a genuine mid that just gets to those other areas.
Best player in the league at the minute for mine.
Didn't we draft Griff in front of him :whistle well played FJ :wallywink
You have an unhealthy obsession in bringing Griffiths into all conversations you can so you can bag him. Has he done something to you or a family member?
The fact is 17 other clubs passed on Fyfe including Freo with their first choice. Can you say you screamed on this site at the time of the draft to demand we draft Fyfe? I don't think so.
So take off your retrospectroscope glasses bt because most here find it painful when they have to read criticisms based purely on hindsight.:
And by the way Griffiths has done a lot better than:
Anthony Morabito (injury prone+++)
John Butcher
Jordan Gysberts
Kane Lucas
Christian Howard
Luke Tapscott
These guys were all selected ahead of him. So just give it a break with Griff!
First of all I'll try and keep the insults out of it but I find it extremely hard with you. One thing I hate more than debating footy with someone that IMO has NFI is someone that try's to speak for others on here. Happy to hear what you think but don't lump others in on what you think, just to try to help your post, everyone can speak for themselves.
The last few posts before yours were about Fyfe and what a star I think he is, and when I think of or watch him running around I think if we had of got it right we would have this bloke running around for us. That fact we took Griff before him is something that we all have to live with, just like the Bling before Buddy draft disaster. Nothing unhealthily about it, just there for all to see. And for me to bring up on a Tigers forum.
Griff hasn't done anything to any of my family member because they don't support the Tigers, but I do, and having to watch a pick 19, 200cm, 100KG player like Griff play as soft has he has done, does hurt me considering we could have had Fyfe who as I said I think is the best player in the game at the moment. Nothing wrong with wanting that I would think.
Also saying 17 other clubs past on him is just stupid too, we took Dusty with our first pick which I am really happy with. We didn't pass on Fyfe we chose a star of the game before him.
And lastly saying that its painful to read criticisms retrospectively is also stupid IMO, it's the only way a fact can be a fact is when the event has happened and you can see the result.
Think what you like about Griff, to be totally honest I can see why you would like him but I don't, I can see past a few nice marks and his long kicking, and think he will do nothing for our club. I think it was a massive mistake in taking him at all because he doesn't have what it takes IMO to be a consistent AFL player. I don't think I sit on the fence about my opinions on players and I recon I have got a few right over my time on here.
Hindsight is the only way that we will know if you or are are right about big Griff but until then I will continue to post what I want to about him whether you like it or not.
So just suck it up!
Of course you can bring up Griff on the Tigers forum, but you have already done this on countless occasions and this thread is on pick 11 not why we picked Griff over Fyfe! That is why it comes over as an unhealthy obsession for bagging Griff.
You conveniently did not argue the point I made with Griff having performed better than many selected before him in the draft too!
I also do not necessarily think Griff will be a superstar despite what you say. He is, however, a Richmond player who has actually just committed to the club for another two years. As such, I feel I need to support him because that is what true supporters do. Yes he has been soft on occasions but you also ignore occasions where he has stood up in absolutely crunch times. He is still developing and with more game time and another preseason will improve further. How much further is anyones guess, but most reasonable judges will tell you he has the tools to be a very good player. It will be up to him and his coaches to maximise his potential.
And just like Tambling over Franklin, we need to move on and stop going over old ground time and time again. If you do wish to do so, pick the appropriate thread and not go off topic with your rants. This is about pick 11. Why don't you tell us who you think will be available at this pick and who we should go for. It's your chance not to use hindsight for a change. Go on I look forward to your suggestions as you obviously have a good eye for talent.
I didn't comment in the players you mention because I had already on that on another thread.
But I'll do it again just for you, and my list is better than yours-
FYFE
Bastinac
Carlisle
Black
Guntson
Reed
Christensen
Stratton
Duriea
And I'll bring up anything I like in any topic if I think it relevant especially if it's part of our history. If you want to put your head in the sand that's fine by me. I'd hope we could learn from it.
To be honest I don't watch any TAC footy, so all I can go on is what I see on YouTube. And I have said in a previous post I really like the look of Jayen Laverde and from a 5 minute clip I like the look at what I see. Last year I posted Luke Dunstan as who at our pick I would have taken. Had a pretty good year too just quietly.
I am way more qualified in making judgement on players I watch in the AFL and more importantly the mighty Tigers. I watch a lot of footy much to my wife's disgust.
Nothing would make me happier if Griff turned the corner, we need it if we are ever going to improve as a side. I'm sorry though, blind faith is something I'm not good at.
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And I have said in a previous post I really like the look of Jayen Laverde and from a 5 minute clip I like the look at what I see.
Isnt this how we got JON
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And I have said in a previous post I really like the look of Jayen Laverde and from a 5 minute clip I like the look at what I see.
Isnt this how we got JON
lol. ah fj and miller what a team.
imo i reckon laverde a very good player. just love his versatility athleticism and geez hes a great size.
only concern i have and its minor is atm id say hes not a proven mid in the sense that fyfe was always a mid but his versatility athleticism and size enables him to play fwd.atm laverde is the other way around. sorry havent said that at all well. but im too lazy to try again.
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And I have said in a previous post I really like the look of Jayen Laverde and from a 5 minute clip I like the look at what I see.
Isnt this how we got JON
lol. ah fj and miller what a team.
imo i reckon laverde a very good player. just love his versatility athleticism and geez hes a great size.
only concern i have and its minor is atm id say hes not a proven mid in the sense that fyfe was always a mid but his versatility athleticism and size enables him to play fwd.atm laverde is the other way around. sorry havent said that at all well. but im too lazy to try again.
Laverde is just what we need. I think the problem is that he won't be there at pick 11.
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echo echo
Roger roger
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It hasn't been decided by the AFL yet but Shifter Sheehan just said Melbourne's compo for losing Frawley could be mid-first round (around pick 10). So potentially we could be pushed back one to 12.
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Since when has that been an actual level of compensation? AFL just making it up as they go. :lol
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Since when has that been an actual level of compensation? AFL just making it up as they go. :lol
The argument is pick 3 is too much compo for Frawley while an end of round 1 or early round 2 pick is too low compo. So the AFL will go down the middle.
Geelongd receive a mid-first round pick as well as another first round pick as compo for losing Ablett.
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Since when has that been an actual level of compensation? AFL just making it up as they go. :lol
The argument is pick 3 is too much compo for Frawley while an end of round 1 or early round 2 pick is too low compo. So the AFL will go down the middle.
Geelongd receive a mid-first round pick as well as another first round pick as compo for losing Ablett.
Yeah but the compo for this is supposed to be different. There was no mid-1st rounder. It's supposed to be a pick after the teams pick which was a joke and was shown to be with the Daisy and Buddy compensation last year.
Hopefully it permanently stays as a mid 1st rounder as the original teams ladder position shouldn't affect the value of a player leaving. It's just funny that they just change it as they feel like it.
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Compo is stupid and should be removed or at least end of the round. If one bloke decides to leave his club for another club it has nothing to do with the other 16 clubs, so why should they be penalised? It's free agency.
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we SHOULD b able to draft kids and turn them into guns.......should...
cue miles ;D
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we SHOULD b able to draft kids and turn them into guns.......should...
cue miles ;D
Not the rule but is it?
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PASS
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PASS
:clapping Save room for the rookie draft so we can upgrade the spuds like Thomas and Petterd. Brilliant :clapping
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PASS
Nah, he gets picked every year and still hasn't shown anything.
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Have to say I was peeved the TAC grand final wasn't on TV yesterday >:(
I was all set to make my drafting decisions based on that game and the networks ruined everything
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It was on radio
Forza oakleigh
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Have to say I was peeved the TAC grand final wasn't on TV yesterday >:(
I was all set to make my drafting decisions based on that game and the networks ruined everything
Was broadcast online. :shh
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Have to say I was peeved the TAC grand final wasn't on TV yesterday >:(
I was all set to make my drafting decisions based on that game and the networks ruined everything
Was broadcast online. :shh
but wasn't on the TV (FTA or pay)
Not good enough, previous years it's been on Fox Footy
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TAC cup final is a big deal at the Willy P household
(http://allthingsd.com/files/2012/07/old-TV.jpg)
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Would love us to look at Liam Griffths with our last pick. Super quick, good kick and can run all day. 184cm & 79kg and is currently GWS academy member. Looks the goods :shh
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Matthew Dick from the Swans delisted...Rookie option? Was an attacking HBF in the TAC 2 years ago. 188cm 86kg good by foot and runs as fast as Lids. Interesting he got cut after 2 years. Not up to it? or suffered home sickness? Could be worth deeper investigation.
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Matthew Dick from the Swans delisted...Rookie option? Was an attacking HBF in the TAC 2 years ago. 188cm 86kg good by foot and runs as fast as Lids. Interesting he got cut after 2 years. Not up to it? or suffered home sickness? Could be worth deeper investigation.
hmm Im just taking a wild stab in the dark here as I'll openly admit I haven't seen him but given the swans have 2 ageing rebounders in malceski and Shaw and still saw fit to delist him makes me think they don't see him making it
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Matthew Dick from the Swans delisted...Rookie option? Was an attacking HBF in the TAC 2 years ago. 188cm 86kg good by foot and runs as fast as Lids. Interesting he got cut after 2 years. Not up to it? or suffered home sickness? Could be worth deeper investigation.
hmm Im just taking a wild stab in the dark here as I'll openly admit I haven't seen him but given the swans have 2 ageing rebounders in malceski and Shaw and still saw fit to delist him makes me think they don't see him making it
Would say yes just so we can go with things like "hands it down to Dick" and "Dick scores!"
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Have to say I was peeved the TAC grand final wasn't on TV yesterday >:(
I was all set to make my drafting decisions based on that game and the networks ruined everything
Was broadcast online. :shh
but wasn't on the TV (FTA or pay)
Not good enough, previous years it's been on Fox Footy
It has? I've watched the last 4 online.
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Matthew Dick from the Swans delisted...Rookie option? Was an attacking HBF in the TAC 2 years ago. 188cm 86kg good by foot and runs as fast as Lids. Interesting he got cut after 2 years. Not up to it? or suffered home sickness? Could be worth deeper investigation.
hmm Im just taking a wild stab in the dark here as I'll openly admit I haven't seen him but given the swans have 2 ageing rebounders in malceski and Shaw and still saw fit to delist him makes me think they don't see him making it
Would say yes just so we can go with things like "hands it down to Dick" and "Dick scores!"
What's his body size like, big or little?
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we should draft someone who can play good
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eff that.
what would the whiney old moles do if we only did that?
without an outlet the build up would cause them to explode like a monster wet fart
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eff that.
what would the whiney old moles do if we only did that?
without an outlet the build up would cause them to explode like a monster wet fart
:lol
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Matthew Dick from the Swans delisted...Rookie option? Was an attacking HBF in the TAC 2 years ago. 188cm 86kg good by foot and runs as fast as Lids. Interesting he got cut after 2 years. Not up to it? or suffered home sickness? Could be worth deeper investigation.
hmm Im just taking a wild stab in the dark here as I'll openly admit I haven't seen him but given the swans have 2 ageing rebounders in malceski and Shaw and still saw fit to delist him makes me think they don't see him making it
Would say yes just so we can go with things like "hands it down to Dick" and "Dick scores!"
What's his body size like, big or little?
Little Dick often punches well above his weight.
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Matthew Dick from the Swans delisted...Rookie option? Was an attacking HBF in the TAC 2 years ago. 188cm 86kg good by foot and runs as fast as Lids. Interesting he got cut after 2 years. Not up to it? or suffered home sickness? Could be worth deeper investigation.
hmm Im just taking a wild stab in the dark here as I'll openly admit I haven't seen him but given the swans have 2 ageing rebounders in malceski and Shaw and still saw fit to delist him makes me think they don't see him making it
Would say yes just so we can go with things like "hands it down to Dick" and "Dick scores!"
What's his body size like, big or little?
Little Dick often punches well above his weight.
Does he have good penetration?
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Can be a bit soft at times.
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Great in tight spaces.
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He is a bit inaccurate and if he slips he is in the poo
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Was a bit stiff to be delisted me thinks!
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How about this for left of centre - Nakia Cockatoo.
!88cm and 84 kg lightening bolt from the NT. Great size but missed most of the year with a foot injury. Came back recently and played well.
Draft combine results fro the other day were great - 2.90 sec for 20m and fastest in the repeat sprints at 23.93 seconds.
Thoughts?
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was told that he would have been a top 10 prospect if he hadnt been injured, but that could have been parochialism talking. supposedly ticks all the boxes in terms of attitude etc. he and his old man have already moved to melbourne so there should be a stable influence to help him adjust.
concern is two long term leg injuries in 4 years
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well we haven't had much luck off late with our selections from the NT taylor, Roberts lets hope if we do pick him up he comes along always worry when young kids have certain injuires look at collingwoods top 2 draft picks from this year same injuries that they recruited them with
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I assume he is an indigenous talent y&b? If so then pass
This current crop of developers and coaches have proved we can't identify nor develop talent from NT. Let the kid go to Port or Syd, where they have a great indigenous culture
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Great in tight spaces.
Mmm, reminds me of a girlfriend I had many years ago.... ;D
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Grimes
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Matthew Dick from the Swans delisted...Rookie option? Was an attacking HBF in the TAC 2 years ago. 188cm 86kg good by foot and runs as fast as Lids. Interesting he got cut after 2 years. Not up to it? or suffered home sickness? Could be worth deeper investigation.
hmm Im just taking a wild stab in the dark here as I'll openly admit I haven't seen him but given the swans have 2 ageing rebounders in malceski and Shaw and still saw fit to delist him makes me think they don't see him making it
Would say yes just so we can go with things like "hands it down to Dick" and "Dick scores!"
How about Bruce after he kicks an opportunistic goal
"Delicious Dick"!
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How about this for left of centre - Nakia Cockatoo.
!88cm and 84 kg lightening bolt from the NT. Great size but missed most of the year with a foot injury. Came back recently and played well.
Draft combine results fro the other day were great - 2.90 sec for 20m and fastest in the repeat sprints at 23.93 seconds.
Thoughts?
Sounds a good prospect.
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Thanks to the Frawley compo, our first selection is now at pick 12.
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stuffing Melbourne, stuff I hate them
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Bollocks
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So what there saying is Frawley is a better player than Franklin (#19) Goddard (#15) and Ablett (#15 & #19)
The system is a stuffing joke. They claim it was because of his age and contract offered??
Stuff me, if that's what there going off then Hawthorn should have got the number #1 pick for the next 3 years!!
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So what there saying is Frawley is a better player than Franklin (#19) Goddard (#15) and Ablett (#15 & #19)
The system is a stuffing joke. They claim it was because of his age and contract offered??
Stuff me, if that's what there going off then Hawthorn should have got the number #1 pick for the next 3 years!!
Scully trumps them all picks #4 & #13. :lol
seriously the afl stuffing poos me with this poo - how MANY CHANCES DOES THIS SCUMSUCKING FOOTY CLUB GET?????!!
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if its not to be a tall then laverde is still the one for me, he wont get to us though i think he will go top 5.
whoops sorry to all this goes against the grain of the site and my new leaf. i should have said it wont freakin matter who we take fj will find a way to stuff it.
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if its not to be a tall then laverde is still the one for me, he wont get to us though i think he will go top 5.
whoops sorry to all this goes against the grain of the site and my new leaf. i should have said it wont freakin matter who we take fj will find a way to stuff it.
No actually that was a good post. It was short, sweet and to the point. Your good points get lost in your dribble :thumbsup
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So what there saying is Frawley is a better player than Franklin (#19) Goddard (#15) and Ablett (#15 & #19)
The system is a stuffing joke. They claim it was because of his age and contract offered??
Stuff me, if that's what there going off then Hawthorn should have got the number #1 pick for the next 3 years!!
Scully trumps them all picks #4 & #13. :lol
seriously the afl stuffing poos me with this poo - how MANY CHANCES DOES THIS SCUMSUCKING FOOTY CLUB GET?????!!
- can you not see for many years the league is a joke? sadly it is not new news
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So what there saying is Frawley is a better player than Franklin (#19) Goddard (#15) and Ablett (#15 & #19)
The system is a stuffing joke. They claim it was because of his age and contract offered??
Stuff me, if that's what there going off then Hawthorn should have got the number #1 pick for the next 3 years!!
Scully trumps them all picks #4 & #13. :lol
seriously the afl stuffing poos me with this poo - how MANY CHANCES DOES THIS SCUMSUCKING FOOTY CLUB GET?????!!
- can you not see for many years the league is a joke? sadly it is not new news
Wouldnt trade my third rounder for Scully
Would swap for hampson though
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scully isnt that bad and would be a significant upgrade on grigg/foley/thomas/newman types
and he sleeps with a large pillow of gold
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scully isnt that bad and would be a significant upgrade on grigg/foley/thomas/newman types
and he sleeps with a large pillow of gold
for 1 mill a season he's that bad...
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scully isnt that bad and would be a significant upgrade on grigg/foley/thomas/newman types
and he sleeps with a large pillow of gold
for 1 mill a season he's that bad...
Yep if he was paid on his performance he would be lucky to get $300k tops per season
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scully isnt that bad and would be a significant upgrade on grigg/foley/thomas/newman types
and he sleeps with a large pillow of gold
Significant? Not at all. Slight? Maybe on Newman and Thomas
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Cockatoo may now be in the top 10 according to a recruiter a friend knows....... :banghead
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Cockatoo may now be in the top 10 according to a recruiter a friend knows....... :banghead
Good - Cockatoo is Tambling 2.
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Cockatoo may now be in the top 10 according to a recruiter a friend knows....... :banghead
Good - Cockatoo is Tambling 2.
Why not get him, we love these types of players.
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Cockatoo may now be in the top 10 according to a recruiter a friend knows....... :banghead
Good - Cockatoo is Tambling 2.
And you know this because?
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Cockatoo may now be in the top 10 according to a recruiter a friend knows....... :banghead
Good - Cockatoo is Tambling 2.
And you know this because?
he's nostradamus
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Cockatoo is nothing like Tambling.
He is a big unit who will only get bigger. The guy will be huge with a couple of preasons. He could possibly be the next Dangerfield.
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Cockatoo is nothing like Tambling.
He is a big unit who will only get bigger. The guy will be huge with a couple of preasons. He could possibly be the next Dangerfield.
Not like Tambling as a player but can see his career taking a similar trajectory if we use pick 12 on him. Would take him later for his pace & size but that's about it, has too many deficiencies to justify using a first round pick on. He'd likely be moved around everywhere trying to find his best spot just like The Witness was. Jack of all trades, master of none. There's a reason you shouldn't use first round picks on div. 2 players.
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scully isnt that bad and would be a significant upgrade on grigg/foley/thomas/newman types
and he sleeps with a large pillow of gold
for 1 mill a season he's that bad...
Gws don't have a salary cap so I doubt they GAF
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scully isnt that bad and would be a significant upgrade on grigg/foley/thomas/newman types
and he sleeps with a large pillow of gold
Significant? Not at all. Slight? Maybe on Newman and Thomas
You reckon grigg is a slightly less good player than Scilly?
Lol
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doesn't matter who they pick coz it wont make any difference to the overall results the team gets. We will finish between 7th and 12th in 2015.
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Scully is crap. There is not much difference between he and Grigg.
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Scully is crap. There is not much difference between he and Grigg.
Taking money and status aside you are a 100% correct Big Willy, Scully stinks it up bad
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He isn one of the best runners
He can kick
Would be very handy foil for deledio/martin/cotchin
Poos on Thomas grigg winderhack greenwood armitage etc
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Nope
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He isn one of the best runners
He can kick
Would be very handy foil for deledio/martin/cotchin
Poos on Thomas grigg winderhack greenwood armitage etc
He is small, soft and he has average skills
I reckon Greenwood, Winders and Armitage are better and Thomas and Grigg are not far behind. Agree to disagree though I guess.
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He isn one of the best runners
He can kick
Would be very handy foil for deledio/martin/cotchin
Poos on Thomas grigg winderhack greenwood armitage etc
He is small, soft and he has average skills
I reckon Greenwood, Winders and Armitage are better and Thomas and Grigg are not far behind. Agree to disagree though I guess.
Gee whiz
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Gee whiz indeed....for once I'm in agreement with Judge....some truly laughable stuff regarding Scully.....
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Phantom form guide: October update
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
October 7, 2014 10:34 PM
Given the evenness of this year's pool, we have extended the third Phantom Form Guide of the season from 20 players to 25.
Remember, this is simply a ranking of the players in AFL.com.au's view, and does not take into account which clubs hold certain draft selections.
1. Christian Petracca
2. Patrick McCartin
3. Isaac Heeney .... (Swans' NSW Academy)
4. Angus Brayshaw
5. Peter Wright
6. Darcy Moore ..... (Collingwood F/S)
7. Jarrod Pickett
8. Jayden Laverde
9. Jake Lever
10. Lachie Weller
11. Sam Durdin
12. Paul Ahern
13. Jordan De Goey
14. Liam Duggan
15. Tom Lamb
16. Corey Ellis
17. Caleb Marchbank
18. Jarrod Garlett
19. Hugh Goddard
20. Connor Blakely
21. Jack Steele .... (GWS's NSW Academy)
22. Kyle Langford
23. Ed Vickers-Willis
24. Zaine Cordy
25. Clem Smith
Full profiles: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-07/phantom-form-guide-october-edition
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This why we should at least be trading back into the draft. Would love to get one of Garlett, Langford or Goddard with a second Top 20 pick.
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scully isnt that bad and would be a significant upgrade on grigg/foley/thomas/newman types
and he sleeps with a large pillow of gold
Significant? Not at all. Slight? Maybe on Newman and Thomas
You reckon grigg is a slightly less good player than Scilly?
Lol
Career to date I believe Grigg has been better, ever so slightly. Now if Scully even applied himself in the slightest he'd put Grigg to shame but alas they are both nothing players
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I just asked Brett Anderson if he's heard any whispers on whom we're interested in with out first pick and he replied "Laverde/Ahern/Cockatoo/Weller. Laverde first, but will be well gone." He also reckons Laverde or Marchbank will go around Carlton's pick 7.
So it looks like it will be out of Ahern, Cockatoo or Weller.
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Cocka :bow
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This why we should at least be trading back into the draft. Would love to get one of Garlett, Langford or Goddard with a second Top 20 pick.
that would be too logical. we are embracing the nd this yr or so ive been told but as far as i can tell not one attempt to trade into better picks.
have said a few times a draft of something like 12 laverde mid/utility, 15 marchbank kpd, 25 lamb tall fwd and 31 kietel kpf , 47 mid. would be great.
seems we are neither interested in getting players or getting picks. they must be over the moon with the current list.
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Laverde won't be still around at 12, claw.
I just asked Brett Anderson if he's heard any whispers on whom we're interested in with out first pick and he replied "Laverde/Ahern/Cockatoo/Weller. Laverde first, but will be well gone." He also reckons Laverde or Marchbank will go around Carlton's pick 7.
So it looks like it will be out of Ahern, Cockatoo or Weller.
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This why we should at least be trading back into the draft. Would love to get one of Garlett, Langford or Goddard with a second Top 20 pick.
that would be too logical. we are embracing the nd this yr or so ive been told but as far as i can tell not one attempt to trade into better picks.
have said a few times a draft of something like 12 laverde mid/utility, 15 marchbank kpd, 25 lamb tall fwd and 31 kietel kpf , 47 mid. would be great.
seems we are neither interested in getting players or getting picks. they must be over the moon with the current list.
Who do you want to trade out that you reckon will actually get us pick 15? I can't promise everyone else won't rip into you, but I won't ;D
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This why we should at least be trading back into the draft. Would love to get one of Garlett, Langford or Goddard with a second Top 20 pick.
that would be too logical. we are embracing the nd this yr or so ive been told but as far as i can tell not one attempt to trade into better picks.
have said a few times a draft of something like 12 laverde mid/utility, 15 marchbank kpd, 25 lamb tall fwd and 31 kietel kpf , 47 mid. would be great.
seems we are neither interested in getting players or getting picks. they must be over the moon with the current list.
Who do you want to trade out that you reckon will actually get us pick 15? I can't promise everyone else won't rip into you, but I won't ;D
Was thinking the same thing.....
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This why we should at least be trading back into the draft. Would love to get one of Garlett, Langford or Goddard with a second Top 20 pick.
that would be too logical. we are embracing the nd this yr or so ive been told but as far as i can tell not one attempt to trade into better picks.
have said a few times a draft of something like 12 laverde mid/utility, 15 marchbank kpd, 25 lamb tall fwd and 31 kietel kpf , 47 mid. would be great.
seems we are neither interested in getting players or getting picks. they must be over the moon with the current list.
Who do you want to trade out that you reckon will actually get us pick 15? I can't promise everyone else won't rip into you, but I won't ;D
All our duds.
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Cocka :bow
Yesssssssssss! :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Cocka :bow
Yesssssssssss! :clapping :clapping :clapping
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Invisible%20Archive/Images/Static%20Files/images/AFL/AFL%20P-T/Tambling_Rd309_246a.jpg)
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Cocka :bow
Yesssssssssss! :clapping :clapping :clapping
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Invisible%20Archive/Images/Static%20Files/images/AFL/AFL%20P-T/Tambling_Rd309_246a.jpg)
One is slight and 180cm the other is a brute and 188cm. Yeah, I see the similarities......
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This why we should at least be trading back into the draft. Would love to get one of Garlett, Langford or Goddard with a second Top 20 pick.
that would be too logical. we are embracing the nd this yr or so ive been told but as far as i can tell not one attempt to trade into better picks.
have said a few times a draft of something like 12 laverde mid/utility, 15 marchbank kpd, 25 lamb tall fwd and 31 kietel kpf , 47 mid. would be great.
seems we are neither interested in getting players or getting picks. they must be over the moon with the current list.
Was thinking the same thing.....
let me rephrase it.
a draft of something like 12 laverde, 15 marchbank, 25 lamb, 31 kietel and 47 mid, would HAVE been great. a part reason for posting here is to complain about the way we have gone about it. no chance of trading players out when we resign them all before the trade period has even begun. ive complained for awhile now this very thing.
clearly those in charge think we are very close im wondering when people will start to hold em to their actions.
clearly to improve enough and break even with most other clubs we will need to find a miles type or two with rookie picks good luck with that, and we will need to nail all 3 or 4 of our nd picks which with fjs record id say is near on impossible. he may get 12 right but his record with picks like 31, 47, and 66 which is our lot atm is grim.
so no trades no f/as poor nd record, poor rookie list record leaves exactly what.
Who do you want to trade out that you reckon will actually get us pick 15? I can't promise everyone else won't rip into you, but I won't ;D
Edited to correct quote
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Cocka :bow
Yesssssssssss! :clapping :clapping :clapping
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Invisible%20Archive/Images/Static%20Files/images/AFL/AFL%20P-T/Tambling_Rd309_246a.jpg)
One is slight and 180cm the other is a brute and 188cm. Yeah, I see the similarities......
actually diocletion is right.
like tambling there have been plenty of division 2 types who have looked great but failed abysmally. it is a genuine complaint and a real risk imo. judging these kids against peers and the best is part of the caper.
not me but there was a fair few maligned tiger people who were very much maligned because they dared say just as much when we took tambling.
isnt it wise to actually learn from past mistakes and learn the rasons why.
id say to take cocka there can be no 95% sure but 100% sure he will be a very good player and he can play well against the elite. we cant take such risks with our 1st rounders. they should tick all the boxes
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Cocka :bow
Yesssssssssss! :clapping :clapping :clapping
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Invisible%20Archive/Images/Static%20Files/images/AFL/AFL%20P-T/Tambling_Rd309_246a.jpg)
One is slight and 180cm the other is a brute and 188cm. Yeah, I see the similarities......
both black...........
:whistle
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clearly those in charge think we are very close im wondering when people will start to hold em to their actions.
There is nothing to hold them accountable for that is not subjective opinion.
Bottom line is that after a long period of no finals we have made finals two years in a row.
While we can harp on about this decision or event (Hampson trade, final v Port), at the end of the day there is a strong argument to say that OVERALL we have not dropped off in performance yet and are still on an upwards trend
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if we use the last two yrs performances and win loss column as the guide, which the club is wont to do then the trend is downward. id argue we reached our ceiling in 2013 with the current group.
same thing happened in 95 and 2001 and the club failed then to realise what had happened, imo they have failed to recognise this again.
the common theme with just about all posters weather they defend the club or bag em is the lack of quality and lack of depth right across the board.
we made finals in 2013 was clearly a middling side but have not added one player of substance bar anthony miles since then.
while we twiddle our thumbs and slowly go backwards plenty of clubs around and below us have been proactive and will keep on getting better.
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our seeming inaction is unforgivable and simply disgraceful. we're are paying people to be bludgers. im disgusted again.
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if we use the last two yrs performances and win loss column as the guide, which the club is wont to do then the trend is downward. id argue we reached our ceiling in 2013 with the current group.
same thing happened in 95 and 2001 and the club failed then to realise what had happened, imo they have failed to recognise this again.
the common theme with just about all posters weather they defend the club or bag em is the lack of quality and lack of depth right across the board.
we made finals in 2013 was clearly a middling side but have not added one player of substance bar anthony miles since then.
while we twiddle our thumbs and slowly go backwards plenty of clubs around and below us have been proactive and will keep on getting better.
Yeh maybe, I still think 2015 will be the year which shows whether we are moving forward or not
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Yep, proof will be in the pudding this year. If we don't win a final then a bunch of people, starting with Dimma, should be shown the door.
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Yep, proof will be in the pudding this year. If we don't win a final then a bunch of people, starting with Dimma, should be shown the door.
lets say we finish 8th in 2015 and we have been eliminated in the elimination final by say 50 points do u reckon they'll sack hardwick? theres not one iota of a chance that they will sack Hardwick, they wont sack a coach who takes Richmond to 3 consecutive finals series based on our history. Dimma will only lose his job if we don't make the eight.
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I just asked Brett Anderson if he's heard any whispers on whom we're interested in with out first pick and he replied "Laverde/Ahern/Cockatoo/Weller. Laverde first, but will be well gone."
So it looks like it will be out of Ahern, Cockatoo or Weller.
From Emma Quayle's profiles:
Paul Ahern (Calder Cannons)
Born 1.8.96, 181cm, 77kg
AFL biography: Smooth-moving midfielder with excellent balance and running capacity. Has an innate ability to make the difficult look easy, is dangerous when he pushes forward and can kick long goals on the run. Has an excellent mix of speed and endurance and can play inside or outside. Selected in the NAB AFL Under-18 All-Australian team
Ian Kyte, Calder Cannons: "Paul has elite speed and agility. He's a really good mark for his size and he's the one who can kick the goal to finish things off. He needs to work on becoming more consistent from week to week and even during games but I think he's come in a long way. He had a really big test in the TAC Cup grand final when he got a pretty heavy knock. If that had happened 12 months ago it would have been the end of him, but he's really matured and he handled that well and came on and really tried to get us back into the game."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-draft-combine-harvester-medium-midfielders-20141002-10pj9n.html
Nakia Cockatoo (NT Thunder)
Born 23.10.1996, 185cm, 86kg
AFL biography: Powerfully built medium forward/midfielder with elite step through traffic. His initial speed out of the contest creates separation on his opponents. Uses the ball with precision on either side of the body and can impact the scoreboard when he pushes forward. Suffered stress fracture in foot causing him to miss the NAB AFL under-18 championships after impressing in 2013.
Wally Gallio, AFLNT: "He's pretty versatile. He does his homework and he looks after himself really well, he prides himself on working hard on his skills and training hard and being a student of the game. He's very coachable because of all that work he does, he wants to make sure he understands exactly how the coach wants him to play. He's the sort of kid who is always looking out for his family and his mates, he couldn't play in the nationals becuase of his foot injury but he supported the other players and spoke up in team meetings and said 'you blokes need to do this and this,' and ran water and helped in any way he could. He started back training at the end of June and that was modified until August, but he's done everything right with his rehab and he's in good shape now. I think he'll test well, his fitness is looking pretty good. He's a utility type player who could play forward, back or on a wing, and he loves the competitive stuff. At a pinch you could almost play him on a tallish forward and get him running off them. He respects people and is just a really mannered, good kid."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-draft-combine-harvester-medium-forwards-20141002-10pa6w.html#ixzz3Fc8gFkKg
Lachlan Weller (Southport)
Born 23.2.1996, 181cm, 74kg
AFL biography: Medium midfielder with pace, poise and neat disposal by hand and foot. Always seems to have plenty of time when in possession. Averaged 18 disposals in three matches at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, going at 74% efficiency while also laying an average of 4.3 tackles. Brother of Maverick at St Kilda.
Adrian Fletcher, AFL Queensland: "He's a star. The only thing he needs to do is get his body stronger and get used to finding ways around being tagged. But he's a good player. He lifts, every time you need him and he can really hurt the opposition with his poise and his kicking. He trains as well as anybody, his character is right up there with the kids I've come across."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-draft-combine-harvester-medium-midfielders-20141002-10pj9n.html#ixzz3Fc9fhRjc
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dont we have enough 181cm ffs
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Would take Garlett or Langford over all those three.
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Boy is this kid something special! Size, agility, versatility, foot skills and a football brain.
Recent testing:-
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-02/cockatoo-flies-in-sprints
GET ON BOARD LADS! LETS GET COCKAAAAAA!!!!!!! :veryhappy
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/351001-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-draft-combine-harvester-medium-forwards-20141002-10pa6w.html#ixzz3Fc8gFkKg
Nakia Cockatoo (NT Thunder)
Born 23.10.1996, 185cm, 86kg
AFL biography: Powerfully built medium forward/midfielder with elite step through traffic. His initial speed out of the contest creates separation on his opponents. Uses the ball with precision on either side of the body and can impact the scoreboard when he pushes forward. Suffered stress fracture in foot causing him to miss the NAB AFL under-18 championships after impressing in 2013.
Wally Gallio, AFLNT: "He's pretty versatile. He does his homework and he looks after himself really well, he prides himself on working hard on his skills and training hard and being a student of the game. He's very coachable because of all that work he does, he wants to make sure he understands exactly how the coach wants him to play. He's the sort of kid who is always looking out for his family and his mates, he couldn't play in the nationals becuase of his foot injury but he supported the other players and spoke up in team meetings and said 'you blokes need to do this and this,' and ran water and helped in any way he could. He started back training at the end of June and that was modified until August, but he's done everything right with his rehab and he's in good shape now. I think he'll test well, his fitness is looking pretty good. He's a utility type player who could play forward, back or on a wing, and he loves the competitive stuff. At a pinch you could almost play him on a tallish forward and get him running off them. He respects people and is just a really mannered, good kid."
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No, we don't draft aboriginees
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No, we don't draft aboriginees
Garlett > Tamblingtoo from Division 2.
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Has anyone actually seen him play or just going on the overly positive write-ups? :shh
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Has anyone actually seen him play or just going on the overly positive write-ups? :shh
I cant comment because I haven't seen any 2 minute you tube footage ;D
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Wheres Bo? bet he would be keen on a Cockatoo, in a dark alley with steel traps for hands at night or something
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Get on board lads
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Already putting his number on my guernsey.
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Number 7 for NT thunder :bow
His number is waiting at Richmond
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Boy is this kid something special! Size, agility, versatility, foot skills and a football brain.
Recent testing:-
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-02/cockatoo-flies-in-sprints
GET ON BOARD LADS! LETS GET COCKAAAAAA!!!!!!! :veryhappy
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/351001-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-draft-combine-harvester-medium-forwards-20141002-10pa6w.html#ixzz3Fc8gFkKg
Nakia Cockatoo (NT Thunder)
Born 23.10.1996, 185cm, 86kg
AFL biography: Powerfully built medium forward/midfielder with elite step through traffic. His initial speed out of the contest creates separation on his opponents. Uses the ball with precision on either side of the body and can impact the scoreboard when he pushes forward. Suffered stress fracture in foot causing him to miss the NAB AFL under-18 championships after impressing in 2013.
Wally Gallio, AFLNT: "He's pretty versatile. He does his homework and he looks after himself really well, he prides himself on working hard on his skills and training hard and being a student of the game. He's very coachable because of all that work he does, he wants to make sure he understands exactly how the coach wants him to play. He's the sort of kid who is always looking out for his family and his mates, he couldn't play in the nationals becuase of his foot injury but he supported the other players and spoke up in team meetings and said 'you blokes need to do this and this,' and ran water and helped in any way he could. He started back training at the end of June and that was modified until August, but he's done everything right with his rehab and he's in good shape now. I think he'll test well, his fitness is looking pretty good. He's a utility type player who could play forward, back or on a wing, and he loves the competitive stuff. At a pinch you could almost play him on a tallish forward and get him running off them. He respects people and is just a really mannered, good kid."
Hey, I've been pumping this kid on the who should we draft at pick 12 thread!!!!
You stole my idea! >:(
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if laverde is not there id be looking hard at the talls available rather than just locking in a mid.
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Would take Garlett or Langford over all those three.
Gartlett at 12? He is a small outsider.
Why would you take a small outsider over a powerful player like Cockatoo? The Cocky even looks like Pavlich.....
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Would take Garlett or Langford over all those three.
Gartlett at 12? He is a small outsider.
Why would you take a small outsider over a powerful player like Cockatoo? The Cocky even looks like Pavlich.....
Have you actually seen Cockatoo play or are you just creaming yourself over a few pictures, some measurements, how fast he ran on a wooden gym floor and around witches hats at draft camp and a biased, hyperbolic write-up from AFLNT?
Garlett at this stage is IMO a better player who stood up well in competitive Division One matches.
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Would take Garlett or Langford over all those three.
Gartlett at 12? He is a small outsider.
Why would you take a small outsider over a powerful player like Cockatoo? The Cocky even looks like Pavlich.....
Have you actually seen Cockatoo play or are you just creaming yourself over a few pictures, some measurements, how fast he ran on a wooden gym floor and around witches hats at draft camp and a biased, hyperbolic write-up from AFLNT?
Garlett at this stage is IMO a better player who stood up well in competitive Division One matches.
I saw him play in the curtain raiser at the GF and he looked outstanding.
Have you seen him play at all??????????
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Boy is this kid something special! Size, agility, versatility, foot skills and a football brain.
Recent testing:-
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-02/cockatoo-flies-in-sprints
GET ON BOARD LADS! LETS GET COCKAAAAAA!!!!!!! :veryhappy
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/351001-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-draft-combine-harvester-medium-forwards-20141002-10pa6w.html#ixzz3Fc8gFkKg
Nakia Cockatoo (NT Thunder)
Born 23.10.1996, 185cm, 86kg
AFL biography: Powerfully built medium forward/midfielder with elite step through traffic. His initial speed out of the contest creates separation on his opponents. Uses the ball with precision on either side of the body and can impact the scoreboard when he pushes forward. Suffered stress fracture in foot causing him to miss the NAB AFL under-18 championships after impressing in 2013.
Wally Gallio, AFLNT: "He's pretty versatile. He does his homework and he looks after himself really well, he prides himself on working hard on his skills and training hard and being a student of the game. He's very coachable because of all that work he does, he wants to make sure he understands exactly how the coach wants him to play. He's the sort of kid who is always looking out for his family and his mates, he couldn't play in the nationals becuase of his foot injury but he supported the other players and spoke up in team meetings and said 'you blokes need to do this and this,' and ran water and helped in any way he could. He started back training at the end of June and that was modified until August, but he's done everything right with his rehab and he's in good shape now. I think he'll test well, his fitness is looking pretty good. He's a utility type player who could play forward, back or on a wing, and he loves the competitive stuff. At a pinch you could almost play him on a tallish forward and get him running off them. He respects people and is just a really mannered, good kid."
Hey, I've been pumping this kid on the who should we draft at pick 12 thread!!!!
You stole my idea! >:(
Great minds think alike my friend.
Consider it a collaborative approach :gotigers
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Would take Garlett or Langford over all those three.
Gartlett at 12? He is a small outsider.
Why would you take a small outsider over a powerful player like Cockatoo? The Cocky even looks like Pavlich.....
Have you actually seen Cockatoo play or are you just creaming yourself over a few pictures, some measurements, how fast he ran on a wooden gym floor and around witches hats at draft camp and a biased, hyperbolic write-up from AFLNT?
Garlett at this stage is IMO a better player who stood up well in competitive Division One matches.
I saw him play in the curtain raiser at the GF and he looked outstanding.
Have you seen him play at all??????????
Good enough for me. Dio pull your head in
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Would take Garlett or Langford over all those three.
Gartlett at 12? He is a small outsider.
Why would you take a small outsider over a powerful player like Cockatoo? The Cocky even looks like Pavlich.....
Have you actually seen Cockatoo play or are you just creaming yourself over a few pictures, some measurements, how fast he ran on a wooden gym floor and around witches hats at draft camp and a biased, hyperbolic write-up from AFLNT?
Garlett at this stage is IMO a better player who stood up well in competitive Division One matches.
I saw him play in the curtain raiser at the GF and he looked outstanding.
Have you seen him play at all??????????
Yes I've seen quite a bit of footage of him and also saw that curtain raiser where he was impressive but which also was nothing more than an exhibition match. Yes he could be anything but right now he's a late second/early third rounder at best IMO. He lacks composure and is a poor decision maker who just blazes away with a lot of his kicks ....last thing we need is to blow our first pick on more of that shyte. I already explained most of this when I answered your initial question at the top of page 7 in this thread.
Dooks - I stand by my comments, so pull your head out.
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Would take Garlett or Langford over all those three.
Gartlett at 12? He is a small outsider.
Why would you take a small outsider over a powerful player like Cockatoo? The Cocky even looks like Pavlich.....
Have you actually seen Cockatoo play or are you just creaming yourself over a few pictures, some measurements, how fast he ran on a wooden gym floor and around witches hats at draft camp and a biased, hyperbolic write-up from AFLNT?
Garlett at this stage is IMO a better player who stood up well in competitive Division One matches.
I saw him play in the curtain raiser at the GF and he looked outstanding.
Have you seen him play at all??????????
Yes I've seen quite a bit of footage of him and also saw that curtain raiser where he was impressive but which also was nothing more than an exhibition match. Yes he could be anything but right now he's a late second/early third rounder at best IMO. He lacks composure and is a poor decision maker who just blazes away with a lot of his kicks ....last thing we need is to blow our first pick on more of that shyte. I already explained most of this when I answered your initial question at the top of page 7 in this thread.
Dooks - I stand by comments, so pull your head out.
Incorrect. But we forgive you.
You'll realise how wrong you are with hindsight.
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Would take Garlett or Langford over all those three.
Gartlett at 12? He is a small outsider.
Why would you take a small outsider over a powerful player like Cockatoo? The Cocky even looks like Pavlich.....
Have you actually seen Cockatoo play or are you just creaming yourself over a few pictures, some measurements, how fast he ran on a wooden gym floor and around witches hats at draft camp and a biased, hyperbolic write-up from AFLNT?
Garlett at this stage is IMO a better player who stood up well in competitive Division One matches.
I saw him play in the curtain raiser at the GF and he looked outstanding.
Have you seen him play at all??????????
Yes I've seen quite a bit of footage of him and also saw that curtain raiser where he was impressive but which also was nothing more than an exhibition match. Yes he could be anything but right now he's a late second/early third rounder at best IMO. He lacks composure and is a poor decision maker who just blazes away with a lot of his kicks ....last thing we need is to blow our first pick on more of that shyte. I already explained most of this when I answered your initial question at the top of page 7 in this thread.
Dooks - I stand by comments, so pull your head out.
Incorrect. But we forgive you.
You'll realise how wrong you are with hindsight.
If we do take him, I sincerely hope I am.
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lets not go nuts poppin our heads in and out just yet imo
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Wheres Bo? bet he would be keen on a Cockatoo, in a dark alley with steel traps for hands at night or something
haha
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This guy will be the "Fyfe" of the draft.
Get on him! :gotigers
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I want us to draft him so we can call him knackers and if hes a dud we can go to town with his name
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Look why are we even bothering with this thread, the RFC will pick a player on none of our radars again like they have done for years now. We don't want the best talent, stuff knows who we want but its not the best!!!!!
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Get Cocka !!!!!!
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Look why are we even bothering with this thread, the RFC will pick a player on none of our radars again like they have done for years now.
Thank stuff that they have done something stuffing right then
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Look why are we even bothering with this thread, the RFC will pick a player on none of our radars again like they have done for years now.
Oh so Lennon, Ellis, Vlas were on no ones radar were they WAT???
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Discuss the topic without the personal insults ppl.
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Look why are we even bothering with this thread, the RFC will pick a player on none of our radars again like they have done for years now.
Oh so Lennon, Ellis, Vlas were on no ones radar were they WAT???
hhhhaaaarrrrgggghhhhhhhh. thats gold. bit harsh but golden.
i have a question for all.
lets say we manage to trade into pick 19 giving us picks 12,19,31, 48, 64, thats our 5 picks.
lets realistically assume petracca, brayshaw, weller, laverde and pickett are gone in the top 11.it would mean theres a very good chance one of durdin goddard or marchbank would be there at 12.
surely we dont take a mid at 12 for the sake of taking a mid.im concerned we are targeting nothing but mids early and potentially ignoring the likely prospect of a very high quality tall being available.
geez for once i hope we are not locked in on a player who may not be the best available when our pick or picks come.
even at pick 31 theres a chance to target decent mids kids like gore and blakely could be available.i suppose key is what we do with pick 12.
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lmao
claw the magician.
manages to quote a post that has been snipped.
dunno how, but kudos
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:lol
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Trengrove :bow
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A skillful, running machine midfielder please!
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A skillful, running machine midfielder please!
COCCCCKKKAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
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Yep don't mind this kid at all.
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Hofuly cocka still there @ 23
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Look why are we even bothering with this thread, the RFC will pick a player on none of our radars again like they have done for years now.
Oh so Lennon, Ellis, Vlas were on no ones radar were they WAT???
Yeah, ours (the RFC) but i'm talking about "our", the forum users radars, go find who actually picked any of those players on this forum before the RFC selected them!!!!
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Hofuly cocka still there @ 23
Not a chance, we will miss out again.
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Perhaps conca or Vickeryor asomeone is going
If the cock is such a jet - why wouldn't he go before 12?
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or maybe just maybe FJ has cottoned on to the fact our first pick will still be there at 23 :shh
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or maybe just maybe FJ has cottoned on to the fact our first pick will still be there at 23 :shh
oh ffs arent you sick of that old furphy. dont do that to me anna montana.
i suppose i can give up on laverde now or durdin goddard marchbank.
have to say i dont know what to think after this.
still have concerns after useing just one pick last yr on a junior and now we trade out of the firsdt round in the first uncompromised draft for yrs, on a player who comes with risk injury wise, whose record is nothing outstanding.
so much for embracing the nd this yr eh.
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or maybe just maybe FJ has cottoned on to the fact our first pick will still be there at 23 :shh
oh ffs arent you sick of that old furphy. dont do that to me anna montana.
i suppose i can give up on laverde now or durdin goddard marchbank.
have to say i dont know what to think after this.
still have concerns after useing just one pick last yr on a junior and now we trade out of the firsdt round in the first uncompromised draft for yrs, on a player who comes with risk injury wise, whose record is nothing outstanding.
so much for embracing the nd this yr eh.
Sour rze
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GET ON BOARD LADS! LETS GET COCKAAAAAA!!!!!!! :veryhappy
Hey, I've been pumping this kid on the who should we draft at pick 12 thread!!!!
You stole my idea! >:(
Funny that you started talking about him not long after I saw an AFL related page on facebook start talking about him ;D
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GET ON BOARD LADS! LETS GET COCKAAAAAA!!!!!!! :veryhappy
Hey, I've been pumping this kid on the who should we draft at pick 12 thread!!!!
You stole my idea! >:(
Funny that you started talking about him not long after I saw an AFL related page on facebook start talking about him ;D
After seeing him in the curtain raiser and then seeing his draft camp results I did a bit of research on him on Mr Google. That's why I introduced his pick as left of field as I hadn't followed him for a long time. :gotigers
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Look why are we even bothering with this thread, the RFC will pick a player on none of our radars again like they have done for years now.
Oh so Lennon, Ellis, Vlas were on no ones radar were they WAT???
Yeah, ours (the RFC) but i'm talking about "our", the forum users radars, go find who actually picked any of those players on this forum before the RFC selected them!!!!
Are you serious?
All of those players were spoken about at length on here and rated as very good chances to come to the tiges.
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Look why are we even bothering with this thread, the RFC will pick a player on none of our radars again like they have done for years now.
Oh so Lennon, Ellis, Vlas were on no ones radar were they WAT???
Yeah, ours (the RFC) but i'm talking about "our", the forum users radars, go find who actually picked any of those players on this forum before the RFC selected them!!!!
Are you serious?
All of those players were spoken about at length on here and rated as very good chances to come to the tiges.
Can't remember that...
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There were numerous articles prior linking them to the Tigers... Lennon slipping to our first last year was written about as well.
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Viva la cock revolution
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When is this magical draft?? I want to see us look like Dicks again with our selections... :lol
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When is this magical draft?? I want to see us look like Dicks again with our selections... :lol
Don't worry, somewhere there's another Heppell that will still be there at our pick and somewhere there's another Conca that we'll take at our pick.
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When is this magical draft?? I want to see us look like Dicks again with our selections... :lol
Don't worry, somewhere there's another Heppell that will still be there at our pick and somewhere there's another Conca that we'll take at our pick.
Exactly!
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When is this magical draft?? I want to see us look like Dicks again with our selections... :lol
Don't worry, somewhere there's another Heppell that will still be there at our pick and somewhere there's another Conca that we'll take at our pick.
ah st hood type, character over talent. the rfc way.
but what the hell, we dont the nd. we are locked and loaded and cherry ripe. nd pppfffftt just an annoyance dimma and co have to go thru. hhhaaaarrrgggghhhhhh.
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:lol
Back on topic please.
pick 12 - get Cockaaaaaaa!!!
(http://dev.video.ntnews.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2013/03/23/nakia_650.jpg)
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Another one with a crook ankle.
:lol
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It will be a DUD, that's how the doyens see it every year.
Geez they tell all and sundry that they should be driving the good bus Tigerland.
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It will be a DUD, that's how the doyens see it every year.
Geez they tell all and sundry that they should be driving the good bus Tigerland.
how can we be driving the bus when the incumbents have already written it off.
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Another one with a crook ankle.
:lol
wrong
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Another one with a crook ankle.
:lol
wrong
He was sidelined for most of this year with a broken ankle that required surgery, though he seems to be over it.
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stress fracture in the foot.
the broken ankle was a 2-3 years ago
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Two weeks ago he achieved these in the draft combine:-
First in repeat sprints
First in kicking test
Top 5 in standing vertical jump
6th in running vertical jump.
6th in 20m sprint test.
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-03/who-stole-the-show-in-this-years-draft-combine
hardly the results of a kid with a crook ankle
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stress fracture in the foot.
the broken ankle was a 2-3 years ago
Yeah just looked it up again, right you are al.
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Two weeks ago he achieved these in the draft combine:-
First in repeat sprints
First in kicking test
Top 5 in standing vertical jump
6th in running vertical jump.
6th in 20m sprint test.
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-03/who-stole-the-show-in-this-years-draft-combine
hardly the results of a kid with a crook ankle
Delist now and cut our losses.
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If he's available at pick 12 we'd be morons not to pick him up
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If he's available at pick 12 we'd be morons not to pick him up
Overs. Late second/early third is about right IMO but he'll go before that.
Either way, these kind of dilemnas are exactly why we needed to at least trade back into the draft.
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If he's available at pick 12 we'd be morons not to pick him up
Either way, these kind of dilemnas are exactly why we needed to at least trade back into the draft.
Yep. :thumbsup
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any chance pickett will slide?
Who would you take between Cockie, Garlett, Duggan?
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Duggan, Garlett, Cockatoo in that order
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any chance pickett will slide?
Who would you take between Cockie, Garlett, Duggan?
Duggan, Cockie, Garlett for me.
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Garlett, Langford, Duggan.
(though we don't draft Langford because he doesn't "fulfil a need", even though he actually does.)
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any chance pickett will slide?
Who would you take between Cockie, Garlett, Duggan?
Duggan, Cockie, Garlett for me.
Adam Cockie is a good VFL player at best.
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any chance pickett will slide?
Who would you take between Cockie, Garlett, Duggan?
Duggan, Cockie, Garlett for me.
Adam Cockie is a good VFL player at best.
I assumed by Cockie he meant Cockatoo. Cockie just won his 2nd best and fairest for Sandringham so could be worth a look as a rookie, but I wouldn't do any higher than that. Reckon he'd be nearly as good as Thomas with more upside
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any chance pickett will slide?
Who would you take between Cockie, Garlett, Duggan?
Duggan, Cockie, Garlett for me.
Adam Cockie is a good VFL player at best.
I assumed by Cockie he meant Cockatoo. Cockie just won his 2nd best and fairest for Sandringham so could be worth a look as a rookie, but I wouldn't do any higher than that. Reckon he'd be nearly as good as Thomas with more upside
Obviously correct!
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Cockatoo
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I think there is another conca in the draft.
Get him.
We have Chris Newman.
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any chance pickett will slide?
Who would you take between Cockie, Garlett, Duggan?
Duggan, Cockie, Garlett for me.
Adam Cockie is a good VFL player at best.
I assumed by Cockie he meant Cockatoo. Cockie just won his 2nd best and fairest for Sandringham so could be worth a look as a rookie, but I wouldn't do any higher than that. Reckon he'd be nearly as good as Thomas with more upside
I knew who he meant ;D
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any chance pickett will slide?
Who would you take between Cockie, Garlett, Duggan?
Duggan, Cockie, Garlett for me.
x 2
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I think there is another conca in the draft.
Get him.
We have Chris Newman.
Yes, but riddle me this, is there another Newman? Surely the club would be all over this.
edit - maybe we've got him hiding away in the Swan Hill Veterans?
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any chance pickett will slide?
Who would you take between Cockie, Garlett, Duggan?
Duggan, Cockie, Garlett for me.
x 2
cockles >garlett agreed.
But Smokey / YBB I'd be interested in your opinions as to why you rate Duggan. Is it his outside run and carry?
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Hoping form Pickett but not followed the draft closely for some time.
I had assumed we'd be past the stage by relying heavily on 17/18 year olds by this stage
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any chance pickett will slide?
Who would you take between Cockie, Garlett, Duggan?
Duggan, Cockie, Garlett for me.
x 2
cockles >garlett agreed.
But Smokey / YBB I'd be interested in your opinions as to why you rate Duggan. Is it his outside run and carry?
Good question Dooks. I can only think of one word, composure.
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any chance pickett will slide?
Who would you take between Cockie, Garlett, Duggan?
Duggan, Cockie, Garlett for me.
x 2
cockles >garlett agreed.
But Smokey / YBB I'd be interested in your opinions as to why you rate Duggan. Is it his outside run and carry?
Good question Dooks. I can only think of one word, composure.
Fair call. I have a minor doubt as to his size and whether we need another 180odd cm player but I guess if the kid can play then he can play.
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you blokes have it wrong. the real interest has to be in who the stack of recycled hacks that we take in the nd and rookie draft will be. cmon people are considering this possibility surely, that is given their record.
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you blokes have it wrong. the real interest has to be in who the stack of recycled hacks that we take in the nd and rookie draft will be. cmon people are considering this possibility surely, that is given their record.
Sam Blease surely. ;D
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any chance pickett will slide?
Who would you take between Cockie, Garlett, Duggan?
Duggan, Cockie, Garlett for me.
x 2
cockles >garlett agreed.
But Smokey / YBB I'd be interested in your opinions as to why you rate Duggan. Is it his outside run and carry?
I think he will fit our game plan best, providing run and carry with good long left foot kicks from the back flank or midfield. He's quick enough, has good judgement and tackles well. Not much difference in him or Cockatoo but his form is against Div 1 opposition so it rates a tad better. Would be happy with Cockatoo but happier with Duggan.
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you blokes have it wrong. the real interest has to be in who the stack of recycled hacks that we take in the nd and rookie draft will be. cmon people are considering this possibility surely, that is given their record.
Sam Blease surely. ;D
I'd give him a rookie spot. The last one. ;D
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I knew who he meant ;D
As you were ;D
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Pick 12: Richmond – Liam Duggan
Position: Defender/midfielder
Height: 183 cm, Weight: 76 kg, DOB: 11/12/1996
Club: Western Jets
Projected draft range: 10-25
Plays like: Steele Sidebottom
A bubbly character off-field, the ‘baby-faced assassin’ is another draft prospect that is gifted in terms of poise, hurt factor and game-winning attributes. Duggan won the Ben Mitchell medal for this year’s AFL-AIS intake, and has an arsenal of weaponry that far exceeds most in this year’s draft crop. Playing in an array of positions, Duggan offers get-up-and-go from half back, is particularly dangerous around the stoppages, and loves to run and carry with his line-breaking speed. The talented left footer has also shown he’s dangerous and effective around goal, kicking three final-quarter goals against the Northern Knights earlier in the year from just four disposals in a come-from-behind win. Duggan’s penetrating kick is his primary asset, but his ability to read the ball well in the air – along with both good vision and speed – suggests his best position will eventually be situated in the midfield with resting stints at half back. Despite his slim build, Duggan can win his own ball and tackles strongly. Coupled with his rebounding and attacking style of play as well as his long left foot, Duggan would be a welcome addition to Punt Road.
Pick 13: Fremantle – Hugh Goddard
Position: Key forward/defender
Height: 196 cm, Weight: 93 kg, DOB: 24/08/1996
Club: Geelong Falcons
Projected draft range: 10-25
Plays like: Lachie Henderson
Hugh Goddard’s last month of TAC Cup football was super impressive. He’s had scalps on the likes of Darcy Moore (twice), and in between he’s been pushed forward where he’s had an impact. Despite this season being one which was largely quiet thanks to a pre-season hip injury and a permanent lock-down role in defence, Goddard has runs on the board and his football character is exceptional. Recruiters and scouts have been quick to talk about his return to top 10 calculations after a stunning finals campaign, where he was arguably Geelong’s best. With the bevy of key talls all in the frame for that selection, Goddard can hold his head high with his second half of the year. Athletically speaking, he is terrific and is still a premier swingman, who may or may not come at a bargain price this November. I’m a big wrap for both his ground level work and his marking game, while he also possesses a really nice, long penetrating kick that often finds targets. He’s quick off the mark, and boasts athleticism and a big leap that enables him to play a role at either end of the ground, while he also doesn’t mind embarking on a run from half back to create drive.
Pick 14: Adelaide – Caleb Marchbank
Position: Defender/forward
Height: 193 cm, Weight: 85 kg, DOB: 7/12/1996
Club: Murray Bushrangers
Projected draft range: 5-20
Plays like: Harry Taylor
The key position swingman has caught the eye of many teams to find his draft stocks rapidly rising. Arguably the best intercept mark in the TAC Cup competition, Marchbank’s performances at the National Championships were scintillating, whilst his TAC Cup form was consistent. He plays predominantly in defence, where his ability to read the ball in flight whether under pressure or not is exceptional. Meanwhile, his eagerness to rebound from the back half makes him a real playmaker on the counter attack. Marchbank could best be described as not too dissimilar to Jarrad Waite: he backs himself to win a contested mark, he can mark over his head when he’s expecting contact, and uses his strength in his kicking to set up further afield. He keeps opposition forwards quiet, whilst also having a big influence on the game himself – something not many key defenders have luck doing. Given his athleticism, Marchbank could really develop into a prototype utility, playing on a wing, half-forward or half-back to fill any need required: by the same token, he does look most settled in defence.
Pick 15: Gold Coast – Brayden Maynard
Position: Midfielder/forward
Height: 186 cm, Weight: 88 kg, DOB: 20/09/1996
Club: Sandringham Dragons
Projected draft range: 15-30
Plays like: Ryan O’Keefe
Brayden Maynard is a slick utility type who does his best work off the packs with an ability to kick on either side of his body. The hard-nosed, balanced midfielder is somebody that is targeted by opposition teams to shut down, given his ability to quickly set up play and importantly stream forward to goal. He’s been utilised in an array of positions, ultimately looming as more of a forward in his early career. However, with increased endurance and running power, he has the potential to make the move into the midfield in the long term. Aside from his brilliant goal kicking, Maynard is an aerial specialist with strong hands in a contest, who also marks strongly around the ground. He was arguably the player of the finals series for Sandringham, with the contested side of his game dramatically increasing in the back end of the season.
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Goddard would be OK
Chaplin out Hugh in
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Duggan is too small, maynard good size, ready to go
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Got a sneaking suspicion we will pass on this pick.
We are cherry ripe, be silly to disrupt the plan by bringing new players in.
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Got a sneaking suspicion we will pass on this pick.
We are cherry ripe, be silly to disrupt the plan by bringing new players in.
Why jump at pick 12 when we've been hiding Amir and the amputees for picks 208 226 and 244 at Karachi airport
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Duggans stocks are rising , he s very much in the frame :shh
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Duggans stocks are rising , he s very much in the frame :shh
Surely his nick has to be Hacksaw Jim?
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Duggans stocks are rising , he s very much in the frame :shh
Time to get arrogant. Pass on picks 12, 31 49 and pick him up deep into
the 200s.
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Don't want duggan too short
Viva le COCK 188CM
If we get a midget would rather picket
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Duggans stocks are rising , he s very much in the frame :shh
Richmond always 'reaching'
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Don't want duggan too short
Viva le COCK 188CM
If we get a midget would rather picket
Langford or Garlett before either of them.
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Duggans stocks are rising , he s very much in the frame :shh
Richmond always 'reaching'
Cockatoo would be a massive reach with our first pick.
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Its not a massive cock.
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Duggans stocks are rising , he s very much in the frame :shh
Richmond always 'reaching'
Cockatoo would be a massive reach with our first pick.
Agree.
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Would people like a Bontempelli type?
If the answer is yes then Kyle Langford is our man.
(and yes I know he's mainly listed as a forward but he's essentially a tall -190cm- marking mid who can play forward.)
Has also been compared by some to Richo.....I'd say a smaller version of 2008 Richo than, say, 1996 or 2001 Richo.
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How sweet it would be to have another pick around 20. Of course peoples opinions might be different but we could of gone Duggan at 12 who I believe is a surer thing and then with 20ish taken Cockatoo or Langford or Garlett at pick 20ish, as it's likely all 3 could slip down that far.
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How sweet it would be to have another pick around 20. Of course peoples opinions might be different but we could of gone Duggan at 12 who I believe is a surer thing and then with 20ish taken Cockatoo or Langford or Garlett at pick 20ish, as it's likely all 3 could slip down that far.
Its bewildering they didnt get another 15-30 pick
Stanley=#21
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Would people like a Bontempelli type?
If the answer is yes then Kyle Langford is our man.
(and yes I know he's mainly listed as a forward but he's essentially a tall -190cm- marking mid who can play forward.)
Has also been compared by some to Richo.....I'd say a smaller version of 2008 Richo than, say, 1996 or 2001 Richo.
depends on whether he is a richo/bontempelli or a Cale Morton..
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Would people like a Bontempelli type?
If the answer is yes then Kyle Langford is our man.
(and yes I know he's mainly listed as a forward but he's essentially a tall -190cm- marking mid who can play forward.)
Has also been compared by some to Richo.....I'd say a smaller version of 2008 Richo than, say, 1996 or 2001 Richo.
Very astute point tm! :clapping ;D
depends on whether he is a richo/bontempelli or a Cale Morton..
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How sweet it would be to have another pick around 20. Of course peoples opinions might be different but we could of gone Duggan at 12 who I believe is a surer thing and then with 20ish taken Cockatoo or Langford or Garlett at pick 20ish, as it's likely all 3 could slip down that far.
Its bewildering they didnt get another 15-30 pick
Stanley=#21
Yep.
Would people like a Bontempelli type?
If the answer is yes then Kyle Langford is our man.
(and yes I know he's mainly listed as a forward but he's essentially a tall -190cm- marking mid who can play forward.)
Has also been compared by some to Richo.....I'd say a smaller version of 2008 Richo than, say, 1996 or 2001 Richo.
depends on whether he is a richo/bontempelli or a Cale Morton..
Fair point and I'd say memories of the Cale Fail are effecting his pre-draft rankings, though I think he has more strings than Morton had - and looks quicker. Has played in defence as well and is more accountable. Would be far less of a reach than Cockatoo IMO.
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How sweet it would be to have another pick around 20. Of course peoples opinions might be different but we could of gone Duggan at 12 who I believe is a surer thing and then with 20ish taken Cockatoo or Langford or Garlett at pick 20ish, as it's likely all 3 could slip down that far.
Its bewildering they didnt get another 15-30 pick
Stanley=#21
lol more over rating of our players. your obviously talking about vickery and stanley in the same breath. yet stanley has been a better player imo.
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yet stanley has been a better player imo.
Stanley definitely has more upside of the two.
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im still hoping laverde will get to us. if durdin is still there and laverde is gone id take durdin instead.
laverde at 12 and id not hesitate to take lamb at 20 if we had that pick. 33 on tyler kietel then another mid with our last pick at 52 maybe connor blakeley will slip to here but i doubt it.
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How sweet it would be to have another pick around 20. Of course peoples opinions might be different but we could of gone Duggan at 12 who I believe is a surer thing and then with 20ish taken Cockatoo or Langford or Garlett at pick 20ish, as it's likely all 3 could slip down that far.
Its bewildering they didnt get another 15-30 pick
Stanley=#21
lol more over rating of our players. your obviously talking about vickery and stanley in the same breath. yet stanley has been a better player imo.
Might've been talking about Conca for all we know, claw. Either way, regardless of what you, I or Judge thinks, in the current climate I'd say Vickery would've likely got us a similar pick to Stanley. Clubs want talls, they want rucks too and many probably still see him as one even if our club no longer does, he was a first round pick and he was still hitting the scoreboard -23 goals in 12 games- even if most of them were cheapies. Very much a sellers market atm when it comes to his type.
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How sweet it would be to have another pick around 20. Of course peoples opinions might be different but we could of gone Duggan at 12 who I believe is a surer thing and then with 20ish taken Cockatoo or Langford or Garlett at pick 20ish, as it's likely all 3 could slip down that far.
Its bewildering they didnt get another 15-30 pick
Stanley=#21
lol more over rating of our players. your obviously talking about vickery and stanley in the same breath. yet stanley has been a better player imo.
Might've been talking about Conca for all we know, claw. Either way, regardless of what you, I or Judge thinks, in the current climate I'd say Vickery would've likely got us a similar pick to Stanley. Clubs want talls, they want rucks too and many probably still see him as one even if our club no longer does, he was a first round pick and he was still hitting the scoreboard -23 goals in 12 games- even if most of them were cheapies. Very much a sellers market atm when it comes to his type.
i agree i think vickery would have got us a top 20 pick. sheesh we could even have bundled him up with pick 12 for carltons pick 7 their pick 28 and garlett.
its just this constant rubbish where our players are all worth something and everybody elses arent.
how the hell can you have a decent debate when people have such blinkers on.
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Wait so you take Judge's comment as him saying Vickery would get us a pick around the 20 mark and belittle him about it but then go on to say you reckon he would get us a pick around that mark?
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AFL website's Callum Twomey's draft talk plus some info/rumours from SA & WA press:
1. St K - Petracca
2. Melb - Brayshaw
3. Melb - McCartin/Lever/Pickett
4. GWS - Lever/McCartin/Pickett
5. Coll - Laverde/Lever/Ahern
6. GWS -
7. GWS -
8. GC -
9. Coll - Moore (F/S)
10. Geel -
11. WC -
12. Rich - Laverde/Ahern/Cockatoo/Weller.......... Source: Brett Anderson
13. Freo - Durdin
14. Adel - Goddard/Marchbank
https://twitter.com/AFL_CalTwomey/with_replies
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-looks-to-new-batch-of-key-position-talent-including-sam-durdin/story-fndv8h5w-1227094794975
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-risks-losing-sam-durdin-after-trading-pick-10-to-geelong/story-fndv862c-1227096446517
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How sweet it would be to have another pick around 20. Of course peoples opinions might be different but we could of gone Duggan at 12 who I believe is a surer thing and then with 20ish taken Cockatoo or Langford or Garlett at pick 20ish, as it's likely all 3 could slip down that far.
my suspicion is that north will take Nakia with their first pick if he is still available
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The Saints want a tall, they'll look past Petracca with #1.
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Q. With so many clubs wanting pace, what are the chances Cockie [Nakia Cockatoo] goes in the first dozen?
Callum Twomey :- it's not without a chance of happening. at this stage i'd have him in 12-20 mark.
https://twitter.com/AFL_CalTwomey/status/524850141673422848
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west coke were sniffing about the other day, although they usually use their fist pick on one of the local inbreds.
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Cock made draft by couple days
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We've stated inside mid first pick, outside pace later picks. (Though we've said-or at least implied- a few things regarding recruiting strategy this year that've haven't really been backed up by actions.)We might grab Cockatoo if we want to kill two birds with one stone as he covers both pace & inside ability, but from what I've heard we'd prefer an inside mid who is also a good kick & composed decision maker, which is where Cockatoo falls down.
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youve mentioned that before so i asked some blokes who have seen him play a fair bit and they reckon it is a strength of his.
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youve mentioned that before so i asked some blokes who have seen him play a fair bit and they reckon it is a strength of his.
Well from what I've seen, which is probably not as much of those blokes, and also been told, by people who've also seen a lot of him, his pace and contested game aren't the only reasons he often reminds people of Clangerfield.
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Brett, any updated whispers on whom Richmond are now keen on in the draft?
Brett Anderson: Laverde, Weller, Ahern, Pickett would be in the mix.
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/with_replies
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Laverde :pray
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Laverde :pray
Heavily tipped to go inside the top 10 isn't he?
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Laverde :pray
Heavily tipped to go inside the top 10 isn't he?
Wallace had him going to Collinwood at #5 on Sen earlier...
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We've stated inside mid first pick, outside pace later picks. (Though we've said-or at least implied- a few things regarding recruiting strategy this year that've haven't really been backed up by actions.)We might grab Cockatoo if we want to kill two birds with one stone as he covers both pace & inside ability, but from what I've heard we'd prefer an inside mid who is also a good kick & composed decision maker, which is where Cockatoo falls down.
with pick 12 not for me.
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According to Callum Twomey's podcast:
"Liam Duggan, Corey Ellis & Lachie Weller are names recently linked to Richmond at pick 12. All have good footskills which may be a priority for them."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-24/draft-podcast-best-halfbacks
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Would not be unhappy if we picked up Connor Menadue. The only area of improvement is extra weight. The kid is a more natural Laverde as I see it. Could be one of the best out of this draft in 5 years time :shh
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Would not be unhappy if we picked up Connor Menadue. The only area of improvement is extra weight. The kid is a more natural Laverde as I see it. Could be one of the best out of this draft in 5 years time :shh
I think, at only 69kg, Menadue will more likely go in 2nd round at the earliest as he'll need time to build up his body for AFL level. I have a view that a footballers weight should be around the last two digits his height. Menadue is 188cm tall so there's a 19 point difference which is huge. Also given we're looking for an inside mid with our first pick then that would rule Menadue out at 12.
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Afl.com
RICHMOND
Pick 12: The Tigers are in a nice spot of the draft to wait and see what gets through. Corey Ellis, a smooth moving and smart left-footer, could be the player to land at Richmond. Although recovering from a foot injury, Ellis is low-risk and sees the game unfold well from half-back, the wing or a ball-winning midfield role. If Sam Durdin is available he might be hard to pass up as an athletic tall.
Around the mark: Sam Durdin, Lachie Weller, Liam Duggan
WEST COAST
Pick 11: The Eagles have a need for pace in their midfield mix, and Nakia Cockatoo would bring plenty of that. Explosive and strong, Cockatoo showed his power and ability in a curtain raiser on Grand Final morning and with brilliant testing at the NAB AFL Draft Combine. There are a number of clubs interested in him, but he has missed a significant amount of footy with his foot injury so will need close assessment.
Around the mark: Liam Duggan, Lachie Weller, Jarrod Pickett
FREMANTLE
Pick 13: The club brought in tall forward Michael Apeness at last year's draft and could look to a tall defender at this intake. Sam Durdin is a chance to still be available if the cards fall a certain way and, despite his struggles at times this season, he is still a mobile, marking 197cm key position player. One of the tall options is likely to still be available.
Around the mark: Jake Lever, Caleb Marchbank, Hugh Goddard
I don't know about this draft but i would be OK with Pickett. A kpp. Or cocka
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-25/your-clubs-first-pick
Edit: Bents, add the link
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Some bios on the kids Callum Twomey has us linked to at pick 12:
Corey Ellis
Player bio 2014 U18 stats
Age: 18 Games: 5
Height: 185cm Goals: 2
Weight: 76kg Avg Kicks: 7.4
Pos: Midfielder Avg Marks: 3.2
Avg Hballs: 6.2
Avg Tackles: 4.0
Avg Clear.: 2.0
Eff %: 69.12
TAC Cup 2014 stats: http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&client=1-3020-111719-253881-18717761&pID=196040096&news_task=DETAIL (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&client=1-3020-111719-253881-18717761&pID=196040096&news_task=DETAIL)
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/297058-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
Left-footed medium midfielder who is a star at the clearances with his clean hands and makes quick and correct decisions. Uses the ball well by hand and foot and has good game sense. Averaged 14 disposals and four tackles in his five matches in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships. Missed the late part of the season with a foot injury, which forced him out of testing at the NAB AFL Draft Combine.
VIDEO:
http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=696654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ouL23fAa4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akuifTPqtSY
Sam Durdin
Player bio 2014 U18 stats
Age: 18 Games: 6
Height: 197cm Goals: 1
Weight: 87kg Avg Kicks: 5
Pos: Defender Avg Marks: 3.3
Avg Hballs: 5
Avg Tackles: 1.0
Avg Clear: 1.0
Eff %: 63.33
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7336/8751167242_f0c87de031_z.jpg)
nb. Durdin is #34 for SA
Tall defender/ruckman is strong overhead and good below his knees. Aggressive in contests and strong one-on-one. Played important role in South Australia's win in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, averaging 10 touches and three marks in six appearances. His up and down year ended on a high when named best-afield in West Adelaide's Under-18 Grand Final win in the SANFL, amassing 48 hit-outs, 12 touches and nine marks. Member of NAB AFL Academy Level 2 squad and won the AFL Life Membership Scholarship in 2013.
VIDEO:
http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=696736
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOiwNGhkEWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSBmfg8OIuk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr0RBXIKn5w
Liam Duggan
Western Jets/Vic Metro 2014 U18 stats (Games 5; Goals 0)
11/12/96 Avg Kicks: 9.0
183cm Avg Hballs: 7.0
76kg Avg Marks: 3.0
Half-back/midfielder Avg Tackles: 4.0
Avg Clear.: 1.0
Eff %: 76.32
TAC Cup 2014 stats: http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&client=1-3020-111719-253881-18717761&pID=196040081&news_task=DETAIL (http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&client=1-3020-111719-253881-18717761&pID=196040081&news_task=DETAIL)
(http://www.krockfootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Liam-Duggan.jpg)
Duggan's weapon is his left-foot disposal: he hits passes over short and long distances and likes having the ball in his hand. Generally that has been off half-back but recently he has moved into an inside midfield role, where he has excelled at TAC Cup level.
VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfNG1QuDlUw
Lachie Weller
Southport/Gold Coast Academy/Queensland 2014 U18 stats: (Games 3; Goals 1)
23/2/96 Avg Kicks: 9.0
181cm Avg Hballs: 9.0
71kg Avg Marks: 3.0
Midfielder Avg Tackles: 4.0
Avg Clear.: 2.0
Eff %: 74.07
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/335618-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
Weller is a damaging midfielder with excellent skills and a good sense of how the game will unfold. With the ball in hand Weller arches his back and sets up the play for others, but can also drift forward and regularly kicks goals. Weller, whose brother Mav plays for St Kilda after several seasons with Gold Coast, stood out for Queensland during last year's championships as a bottom-ager.
VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYf97cfxBBc
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-14/top-20-under18-players-to-watch
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Jeez if we're going to reach for 2nd division players with pick 12 then I would rather take Cockatoo than Weller....
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Yep I'm not a fan of taking second division players with our first pick either. Although it did work with Jack.
I'm also wary of juniors who don't have a decent disposal average. That can mean they can't find the footy enough.
I don't see us taking Durdin even if he's still available given we're after a inside mid at pick 12.
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I think we have a number of fwds being developed, whether they break out is another thing.
Where I see our weakness is down back and Durdin could be a great pickup to fill a void over coming years.
Admitedly I dont know enough about him, though ive read his name on here a number of times from other posters.
Would it be best to go after a kpd we lack in tge draft given its depth later on? Or do we draft a mid early?
Is this where they hoped they could land a greenwood/ trengrove as a mid need and use a 20ish pick on a defender?
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EEA, I reckon we go after mids in the draft and any KPP's with either trading or free agency. The time taken to develop KPP's isn't a luxury we can afford.
I would like to think we can find someone at 12 who can have an impact in season 1 - even as a sub.
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Jeez if we're going to reach for 2nd division players with pick 12 then I would rather take Cockatoo than Weller....
I don't mind it. If the best footballer is in Div 2, then you pick him.
We did it with Jack, so what is the problem?
If there is a jewel in Div 2, then go for it!
Get Cocka!!!!!!! :gotigers (copyright Dooks 2014)
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Tambling could play footy.
Poor lad just had some issues in the upstairs library
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Tambling could play footy.
Poor lad just had some issues in the upstairs library
Had some talent but didn't know how to run to the right positions - the amount of times I saw him caught in no mans land between contests was extraordinary. His timing on when to enter the contested area or offer an outside option was always off unfortunately.
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Yes we took Jack from Div.2 - but he had an AFL name & pedigree attached to him, was a stand out KPP, not just a dime-a-dozen mid and Tasmania is arguably the least risky of the Div.2 states. Also the 2006 draft wasn't considered nearly as deep as this one is - though in hindsight there were, arguably, as many, if not more, gems found later than there were earlier and more duds picked up earlier than most drafts, making it probably as close to a reverse draft as we've ever come. (eg - RFC recycled favourites Hamspud, Grigg & Hislop went at 17,19 & 20 - whilst Gray, Goldsack & Westhoff went at 55, 63 & 71)
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EEA, I reckon we go after mids in the draft and any KPP's with either trading or free agency. The time taken to develop KPP's isn't a luxury we can afford.
I would like to think we can find someone at 12 who can have an impact in season 1 - even as a sub.
Fair enough too :thumbsup
I guess we missed out on trades etc this year so they might have their eye on someone next season.
Would love to snag a quality mid that could break their way into the side early on in the season
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Going by Callum Twomey on the AFL website - Petracca, Brayshaw, McCartin, Wright, Laverde, Ahern, Lever & Moore (F/S) should/will be gone before our first pick. So we'll get the 4th 'best' of the remainder who falls through to 12.
1. St K - Petracca, McCartin, Brayshaw, Wright
2. Melb - Brayshaw, McCartin, Petracca, Lever
3. Melb - see 2
4. GWS - Wright, Laverde, Ahern, McCartin
5. Coll - Laverde, Ahern, Langford, Wright
6. GWS - see 4.
7. GWS - see 4.
8. GC - Pickett, Langford, De Goey, Weller
9. Coll - Moore
10. Geel - Lever, Goddard, Marchbank, Ahern
11. WC - Cockatoo, Duggan, Weller, Pickett
12. Rich - Ellis, Durdin, Weller, Duggan
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-26/your-clubs-first-pick
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C'mon on down Weller.
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would be happy with weller.
also has a "AFL name" and pedigree. Althought Mav weller is nothing compared with Nicky Riewoldt..lol.
dont' mind div 2 as long as they can play....and this kid has it...can play..
mad tiger supporter too growing up
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Weller Balsam
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http://www.ntnews.com.au/sport/australian-football/nakia-hopes-for-port-on-draft-day/story-fnk2to87-1227099936838
Sounds real professional does this kid...might as well've posed for the photo wearing the stuffin' thing....
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http://www.ntnews.com.au/sport/australian-football/nakia-hopes-for-port-on-draft-day/story-fnk2to87-1227099936838
Sounds real professional does this kid...might as well've posed for the photo wearing the stuffin' thing....
He won't be going to Port. That is highly unlikely. Ports first pick is pick 57! ;D
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http://www.ntnews.com.au/sport/australian-football/nakia-hopes-for-port-on-draft-day/story-fnk2to87-1227099936838
Sounds real professional does this kid...might as well've posed for the photo wearing the stuffin' thing....
He won't be going to Port. That is highly unlikely. Ports first pick is pick 57! ;D
Yes he'll just let another club develop him for Port for two years first....
Seriously though....by all means state which club you support if asked, but what kind of flog gives an interview like that and poses for a photo holding up a club's guernsey before they've even been drafted?
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EEA, I reckon we go after mids in the draft and any KPP's with either trading or free agency. The time taken to develop KPP's isn't a luxury we can afford.
I would like to think we can find someone at 12 who can have an impact in season 1 - even as a sub.
yep and we wonder why we only have one decent tall fwd one decent tall defender and havent produced a decent ruckman in 30 odd yrs. this is what the club does now.
if you want quality talls you take em early just like you do mids. we would be mugs not to look at marchbank and durdin if they were there depending on what mids are left.
but wait they will take 3 yrs before we get any real input out of em. isnt it typical.
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EEA, I reckon we go after mids in the draft and any KPP's with either trading or free agency. The time taken to develop KPP's isn't a luxury we can afford.
I would like to think we can find someone at 12 who can have an impact in season 1 - even as a sub.
yep and we wonder why we only have one decent tall fwd one decent tall defender and havent produced a decent ruckman in 30 odd yrs. this is what the club does now.
if you want quality talls you take em early just like you do mids. we would be mugs not to look at marchbank and durdin if they were there depending on what mids are left.
but wait they will take 3 yrs before we get any real input out of em. isnt it typical.
Not sure why you are using my post if not prepared to debate he content.
My point is that we should be targeting key position players who are proven senior players by either trading or preferably free agency.
They will take longer to develop so why wait?
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http://www.ntnews.com.au/sport/australian-football/nakia-hopes-for-port-on-draft-day/story-fnk2to87-1227099936838
Sounds real professional does this kid...might as well've posed for the photo wearing the stuffin' thing....
He won't be going to Port. That is highly unlikely. Ports first pick is pick 57! ;D
Yes he'll just let another club develop him for Port for two years first....
Seriously though....by all means state which club you support if asked, but what kind of flog gives an interview like that and poses for a photo holding up a club's guernsey before they've even been drafted?
It's the NT News. the port jumper would have been given to him by them after they couldnt find a crocodile for him to pose with.
why is it that you make such a big deal of something minor like this but were all over garlett despite his off field issues that saw him completely overlooked in one draft and taken late in the next, and ultimately to be given the flick?
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http://www.ntnews.com.au/sport/australian-football/nakia-hopes-for-port-on-draft-day/story-fnk2to87-1227099936838
Sounds real professional does this kid...might as well've posed for the photo wearing the stuffin' thing....
He won't be going to Port. That is highly unlikely. Ports first pick is pick 57! ;D
Yes he'll just let another club develop him for Port for two years first....
Seriously though....by all means state which club you support if asked, but what kind of flog gives an interview like that and poses for a photo holding up a club's guernsey before they've even been drafted?
It's the NT News. the port jumper would have been given to him by them after they couldnt find a crocodile for him to pose with.
why is it that you make such a big deal of something minor like this but were all over garlett despite his off field issues that saw him completely overlooked in one draft and taken late in the next, and ultimately to be given the flick?
Well despite being more convinced of Garlett's talent and confident of it translating to AFL than I am of Cockatoo's, I never advocated using our first pick on the former as some are with the latter and also acknowledged he was a flog and a risk, apart from that, as I have previously stated, I don't really have a problem with us taking Cockatoo with a later pick if he were still there - just as I would have with Garlett. This however, is a thread about who we should take at pick 12 and it is in that context that I voiced my opinion.
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Cats looking at Duggan, De Goey or someone who slips from the top few at pick 10, according to Brett Anderson.
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Cats looking at Duggan, De Goey or someone who slips from the top few at pick 10, according to Brett Anderson.
I'd prefer Duggan, Cats can have De Goey.
Just looking at some YouTube clips of the boys, there is some really talented kids. Would be nice to have a few picks. Like the way Langford plays too.
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Cats looking at Duggan, De Goey or someone who slips from the top few at pick 10, according to Brett Anderson.
I'd prefer Duggan, Cats can have De Goey.
Just looking at some YouTube clips of the boys, there is some really talented kids. Would be nice to have a few picks. Like the way Langford plays too.
Would love to snag Langford, personally wouldn't be at all unhappy if we took him at 12. If only we had another top 20-30 pick.
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Cats looking at Duggan, De Goey or someone who slips from the top few at pick 10, according to Brett Anderson.
I'd prefer Duggan, Cats can have De Goey.
Just looking at some YouTube clips of the boys, there is some really talented kids. Would be nice to have a few picks. Like the way Langford plays too.
Would love to snag Langford, personally wouldn't be at all unhappy if we took him at 12. If only we had another top 20-30 pick.
locked and loaded we dont need any other picks. ;D
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VIDEO: Draft trumps - Lachie Weller: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-10-29/draft-trumps-lachie-weller
29 days to the draft: Meet Lachie Weller
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
October 29, 2014
LACHIE Weller is a member of Gold Coast's academy, spent two months training with the club's senior squad last summer, and knows many of the Suns' players.
But having moved to Queensland from Tasmania when he was 15, he hasn't spent enough time living in the state to qualify as a priority academy selection for the Suns – something rival clubs can be pleased about.
Weller, the younger brother of former Sun and current Saints midfielder Maverick, sits among the top handful of midfielders available in this year's draft pool.
He has gone through all the talent programs to this point: he captained the AIS-AFL Academy in level one and was a member of the team's leadership group this year, and played well last season for Queensland at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships.
Weller's 2014 campaign was up and down, but he did average 20 disposals for Southport's senior side this season and understands what the next step will require.
If clubs weren't already convinced of his quality, Weller underlined it with a stellar performance for the Allies in the NAB AFL All Stars curtain-raiser on Grand Final morning.
He gathered 20 disposals and made good decisions with the ball, and showed his skill with two excellent goals, particularly a long, spearing bomb from outside 50.
Why they should pick him
The 18-year-old's traits are obvious: he uses the ball nicely, thinks quickly, marks well above his head and athletically is very good (he has tested 2.92 in the 20-metre sprint). Weller can be used off the wing but also in the middle, and is best at setting up the play with his efficient disposal.
Weller does everything professionally – his skinfolds were the third lowest recorded at the national combine – and he knows the environment at elite level after his time with the Suns.
The Query
At 181cm, Weller isn't a big and strong midfielder. That's reflected in his style, which at this stage is more as an outside midfielder than one who thrives on winning his own ball.
He can do it, and one in three of his possessions in the TAC Cup were contested, but the balance can be improved. He had an inconsistent season, but has jumped around a few different teams.
Plays Like
With his dash, delivery and dare, Weller shares some traits with David Zaharakis. Weller likes kicking goals and has spent much of his season working on using his pace more in games. He is at his best when he arches his back and looks for gaps to break through.
Draft Range
Weller has some admirers inside the top-10 and it wouldn't be a surprise to see him selected there. If not, he won't last much longer.
Bottom Line
Weller brings some class and composure to the top end of the draft and he's a player you want to carry and run with the ball. The best thing about him is he doesn't need big numbers of possessions to hurt; most of his touches are damaging.
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/weller-article.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-29/meet-lachie-weller
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I remember listening to somthing the Pies recruiters were saying a few years ago about Swan. They said something like they aren't to concerned on big numbers over the season, but how a particular player holds up in big games and if they consistently stand up in those times. The battlers can get you there but it is guys like Swan who have the ability to get you across the line. Maybe this is Weller?
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History of pick 12
Herald-Sun
October 30, 2014
RICHMOND — Pick 12
Our best: Nathan Jones (Melb) — 2005
The rest: Ben Lennon (Rich), Kristian Jaksch (GWS/Carl), Sam Docherty (Bris/Carl), Lucas Cook (Melb), Kane Lucas (Carl), Lewis Johnson (Syd/Adel), Cyril Rioli (Haw), James Frawley (Melb/Haw), Danny Meyer (Rich)
Success rate: Toss-up between Cyril and the Dees skipper, but we’ve gone for Jones for his consistency. James Frawley has also been a winner but outside of that, pick 12 has proved a bit barren so far.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/recent-players-selected-with-your-clubs-first-pick-in-the-2014-afl-national-draft/story-fndv7pj3-1227105937814?sv=8e91c52b6ee2db1be9e1acb4ec6416b4
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Talk of Peter Wright sliding down the order and even slipping outside the top 10.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-02/drift-from-the-wright.
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I've been praying for this
#1 player in draft sliding to us
bout time we got some luck FFS
Cock @ 33
And another good kid at 50
:pray
A leunburger/Krueser type = locked and loaded :shh
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The AFL website has its 'Draft Machine' up and running now with profiles on all the potential draftess and their respective draft range.
http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine
Current top 20:
1. St K - Christian Petracca
2. Melb - Patrick McCartin
3. Melb - Angus Brayshaw
4. GWS - Peter Wright
5. Coll - Jayden Laverde
6. GWS - Jake Lever
7. GWS - Sam Durdin
8. GC - Paul Ahern
9. Coll - Darcy Moore (F/S)
10. Geel - Lachlan Weller
11. WCE - Jarrod Pickett
12. Rich - Hugh Goddard
13. Freo - Caleb Marchbank
14. Adel - Jordan De Goey
15. GC - Tom Lamb
16. North - Liam Duggan
17. Ess - Corey Ellis
18. Syd - Isaac Heeney (Swans NSW Academy)
19. Carl - Kyle Langford
20. Ess - Nakia Cockatoo
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- Hugh Goddard
Height: 195 cm
Weight: 93 kg
Position: Key defender/forward
Strengths: Athleticism, versatility, booming kick
Areas of improvement: Inconsistent
Player comparison: Sam Day/Lachlan Keeffe
:clapping
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- Hugh Goddard
Height: 195 cm
Weight: 93 kg
Position: Key defender/forward
Strengths: Athleticism, versatility, booming kick
Areas of improvement: Inconsistent
Player comparison: Sam Day/Lachlan Keeffe/Ben Griffiths
:clapping
EFA
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I'd take another griff
We need two
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I'd take another griff
We need two
Can the other one get the ball a bit more?
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I'd take another griff
We need two
Can the other one get the ball a bit more?
Maybe take a mark? Kick more than 0.6 goals a game?
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if hes another griff i dont want him. not based on what griffiths has dished up to date. ffs there are huge concerns about him still.
anyway to me goddard projects more as a backman, if he durdin or marchbank were there at 12 id seriously consider one of them. all depends on which mids are left imo.
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Whilst were critiquing kpps, wtf etc with Ben elton.
Put out or go back to grade
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I'd certainly consider Goddard at 12 if he's still on the board. Quality talls are harder to find than midfielders and that lad has a fine set of mits.
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You can pkay four KPD
As long as they are not loaper ala chappy
Grimes - Astbury - Rance
Deledio - Goddard - Morris
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Callum Twomey in his latest draft podcast has us linked to Western Jets boys Corey Ellis and Liam Duggan.
Twomey said both fit what Richmond needs - outside speed and class. Ellis is a bit unassuming but a damaging kick, good over his head and can play anywhere. So low risk and can fit into a team really well.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-31/draft-podcast-most-even-in-memory
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Kyle Langford please.
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Sir Mathew Richardson, comparison, enough for me.
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Hopefully we wouldn't wait 15 years to play him on the wing.
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THE EVENNESS of this year's NAB AFL Draft pool means clubs will head to the Gold Coast confident they can address a need with any pick in the first round.
The draft crop of 2014 has long been recognised as a strong one.
"You can have confidence that you'll be able to get a player you really like with any pick in the first round. There's a little bit there for everyone," said one recruiter.
"It's certainly the most open first round I've seen. I can't remember one like it."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-03/something-for-everyone
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Greg @gregerss - in ur opinion who do u think the Tigers will get with pick 12?
Brett Anderson - Weller/Duggan/Ellis/Cockatoo are a chance right now.
Emma Quayle - agreed! And at this stage would think most would be available
https://twitter.com/search?q=emma%20quayle&src=typd
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When is the draft ::)
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When is the draft ::)
ND - November 27
PSD/Rookie - December 3 :shh
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It's late. Too damn late. Milk was a bad choice
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Greg @gregerss - in ur opinion who do u think the Tigers will get with pick 12?
Brett Anderson - Weller/Duggan/Ellis/Cockatoo are a chance right now.
Emma Quayle - agreed! And at this stage would think most would be available
https://twitter.com/search?q=emma%20quayle&src=typd
Get Cocka!!!! :gotigers (copyright Dooks October 2014)
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Greg @gregerss - in ur opinion who do u think the Tigers will get with pick 12?
Brett Anderson - Weller/Duggan/Ellis/Cockatoo are a chance right now.
Emma Quayle - agreed! And at this stage would think most would be available
https://twitter.com/search?q=emma%20quayle&src=typd
so emma thinks wella/duggan/ellis/cockatoo will be available. i would have just one question are they better options and best avail;able if the likes of say durdin,marchnank goddard are there and types that we also need.
i dont think so if durdin is there we should take him if those are the midfield options.
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Brett Anderson on SEN talking about his phantom draft in Inside Football out today ...
AUDIO: https://soundcloud.com/sen1116/evenings-brett-andersons-mock-afl-draft-2014
1. St K - Petracca
2. Melb - Brayshaw
3. Melb - McCartin
4. GWS - Laverde
5. Coll - Ahern, De Goery or Laverde if GWS don't take him. Ahern could fall to 17 if the Pies overlook him.
6. GWS - Lever
7. GWS - Goddard
8. GC -
9. Coll - Moore (F/S)
10. Geel - Wright
11. WCE - Connor Blakely in the mix.
12. Rich - Duggan ahead of Ellis. We would take Wright if he slipped through to us.
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Brett Anderson on SEN talking about his phantom draft in Inside Football out today ...
AUDIO: https://soundcloud.com/sen1116/evenings-brett-andersons-mock-afl-draft-2014
1. St K - Petracca
2. Melb - Brayshaw
3. Melb - McCartin
4. GWS - Laverde
5. Coll - Ahern, De Goery or Laverde if GWS don't take him. Ahern could fall to 17 if the Pies overlook him.
6. GWS - Lever
7. GWS - Goddard
8. GC -
9. Coll - Moore (F/S)
10. Geel - Wright
11. WCE - Connor Blakely in the mix.
12. Rich - Duggan ahead of Ellis. We would take Wright if he slipped through to us.
is he suggesting we are not looking at Weller?? or pickett?
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Langford if available -
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(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/352191-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
:pray
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Brett Anderson on SEN talking about his phantom draft in Inside Football out today ...
AUDIO: https://soundcloud.com/sen1116/evenings-brett-andersons-mock-afl-draft-2014
1. St K - Petracca
2. Melb - Brayshaw
3. Melb - McCartin
4. GWS - Laverde
5. Coll - Ahern, De Goery or Laverde if GWS don't take him. Ahern could fall to 17 if the Pies overlook him.
6. GWS - Lever
7. GWS - Goddard
8. GC -
9. Coll - Moore (F/S)
10. Geel - Wright
11. WCE - Connor Blakely in the mix.
12. Rich - Duggan ahead of Ellis. We would take Wright if he slipped through to us.
is he suggesting we are not looking at Weller?? or pickett?
He didn't mention it in the interview but I'm assuming Weller will be gone before our pick (to Gold Coast?). We haven't been linked to Pickett since the end of the season.
I'll find out when I get a copy of the Inside Football draft edition hopefully later today.
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Okay, here's the first round of Brett Anderson's mock draft in the draft edition of Inside Football.
He has Liam Duggan going to us at pick 12.
Weller & Cockatoo are in the mix.
12. Richmond
Liam Duggan | Western Jets
The Tigers could be spoilt for choice with the majority of their target all still available. In the end the classy Western Jet is their pick.
In the mix: Lachie Weller, Nakia Cockatoo.
1. St Kilda Christian Petracca
2. Melbourne Angus Brayshaw
3. Melbourne Patrick McCartin
4. GWS Jayden Laverde
5. Collingwood Jordan De Goey
6. GWS Jake Lever
7. GWS Hugh Goddard
8. Gold Coast Jarrod Pickett
9. Collingwood Darcy Moore (F/S)
10. Geelong Peter Wright
11. West Coast Lachie Weller
12. Richmond Liam Duggan
13. Fremantle Sam Durdin
14. Adelaide Brayden Maynard
15. Gold Coast Kyle Langford
16. North Melb. Nakia Cockatoo
17. Essendon Paul Ahern
18. Sydney Isaac Heeney (NSW academy)
19. Carlton Caleb Marchbank
20. Essendon Tom Lamb
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Callum Twomey in his latest podcast says Richmond are in a good spot to wait and see who gets through. Duggan, Ellis & Weller are in their mix offering midfield class. If Sam Durdin gets there that'll struggle not to consider him strongly. Earlier in the podcast Twomey also mentioned De Goey being linked to us but he's got De Goey linked to the Pies at 5 saying Collingwood has gone off Laverde.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-07/draft-podcast-three-weeks-to-go
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keep saying it but oh what would you give for another pick between say 15 and 30.
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Claw we have pick 32 surely there will be sliders in the second rd to.Claw if only we had put Vickery up for trade :banghead makes me wonder saints got pick 21 for Stanley for ffs lol and I'm confident alot of clubs would have put the question to the club is he up for trade.Hope he can pull his finger out and realise his talent.
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Unless I'm missing something, I can't believe Ahern could slip outside the top 10. I'd be shocked if we overlooked him at 12. Could end up another Heppell scenario if he slides to Essendon at 17 :P.
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keep saying it but oh what would you give for another pick between say 15 and 30.
Unfortunately it won't happen.. :banghead
We need to move on from this disaster claw.
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take wright if available.
Was once rated top 2 or 3 and i don't have any faith in FJ so i would definately go for Wright.
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The Herald-Sun has Duggan going to us at pick 12. Ahern & Ellis in the mix.
Phantom Draft 2014: Christian Petracca set to be No.1 pick, Essendon could land bargain in Peter Wright
Jay Clark and Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
November 08, 2014 10:00PM
ESSENDON stands to be one of the biggest winners in this year’s draft if the man once touted as a possible No.1 pick, sky-scraping forward Peter Wright, slides to the Bombers’ first pick.
In an unexpected twist to this year’s national draft order, Wright could drop outside the top 10 and remain available for the Bombers to select at No.17, according to draft sources.
It is understood Wright is also in Adelaide’s mix at No.14, with the Crows set to decide in the next fortnight whether to pick the tall forward or fill a hole with a gun key defender.
While some recruiters have expressed concerns about Wright’s overhead marking, it would be a dream result for the Bombers if he slipped to them after the loss of ruckman Paddy Ryder to Port Adelaide.
The Bombers have been stripped of three first and second-round selections in the past two years as part of the club’s supplement scandal penalties and would be delighted to land another towering goalkicker to partner Joe Daniher in attack.
The Bombers still view the 203cm Wright, who was widely regarded as a certain top-five pick throughout the year, as one of this year’s top prospects.
It is understood the Cats and Eagles could yet take Wright at picks 10 and 11 but have other priorities after Geelong picked up talls Mitch Clark and Rhys Stanley in the trade period.
Adelaide could find it hard to pass up Wright at pick 14, despite a flushed forward line including newly recruited ex-Hawthorn 203cm forward-ruck Luke Lowden.
Collingwood is set to target a midfielder at pick 5, while Greater Western Sydney has three top-10 selections but overlooked talls Billy Longer and Brodie Grundy in similar circumstances in recent years.
The Giants are believed to favour versatile key-position prospect Hugh Goddard instead.
Wright’s draft position will be one of the biggest talking points in the lead-up to the November 27 event on the Gold Coast.
Wright’s TAC Cup coach Andrew Jago said the Calder Cannon prodigy would be a significant draft steal for the Bombers if he dropped that far in the first round and joined another former Cannon in Daniher at Tullamarine.
“They would compliment each other very well because they are both 200cm and they pick the ball up off the ground like they are onballers and they cut (on the lead) like they are midfielders as well,” Jago said.
“Peter is probably a better kick than Joey, a better technique. He is a beautiful kick of the ball. I remember him kicking a 55m goal after the siren to give us a one-point win in Geelong.
“I think it’s a risk if clubs allow him to drop outside the top 10.
“There is a lot of development in him and I think whoever gets him will get a very talented player.”
Jago said Wright would work on his one-on-one contested marking.
“His greatest strength is his aerobic capacity. He gets separation on his opponent,” he said.
“His marking one-on-one needs to develop, but he didn’t play much as a 17-year-old in his bottom age (due to a back injury).
“So that is the exciting part, there is so much development in him.”
Herald-Sun Phantom Draft
The twist
1. St K Christian Petracca
2. Melb Angus Brayshaw
3. Melb Patrick McCartin Lever
4. GWS Jordan De Goey Ahern or Duggan
5. Coll Jayden Laverde Ahern or Langford
6. GWS Hugh Goddard Lever
7. GWS Jarrod Pickett Ahern
8. GC Kyle Langford Pickett
9. Coll Darcy Moore (F/S)
10. Geel Jake Lever Pickett or Wright
11. WC Paul Ahern Cockatoo or Duggan
12. Rich Liam Duggan Tigers will grow their band of midfielders here and it’s a nice place to pick off one of the sliders in Ahern or Duggan.
Smooth-moving left-footer would Have also been linked to Corey Ellis.
give the Tigers some extra class
on the outside. Duggan has elite
disposal and his damaging kick
inside 50m could see him taken
as early as the Giants’ pick No. 4.
A run and carry-specialist.
13. Freo Sam Durdin Goddard
14. Adel Peter Wright Durdin or Marchbank
15. GC Jarrod Garlett Cockatoo
16. North Nakia Cockatoo Duggan
17. Ess Lachie Weller Wright
18. Syd Isaac Heeney (NSWA)
19. Carl Caleb Marchbank Blakely
20. Ess Tom Lamb Ellis
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/phantom-draft-2014-christian-petracca-set-to-be-no1-pick-essendon-could-land-bargain-in-peter-wright/story-e6frf3e3-1227116889916
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Essendon could land bargain in Peter Wright[/b]
get out of town
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Weller
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I haven't followed this years crop of draftees but from the limited vision I have seen of just a few of the hopefuls I have to say that Lachlan Weller looks like a player of serious potential. I haven't seen a lot but Weller just looks like a quality footballer. Ive seen other highlight packages including Duggan, Ahern and a few others ... Weller to me looks a like a player who could become a very serious footballer.
One concern I have with the likes of Weller & Cockatoo is they are from Division 2 states. The kid would have to be an elite talent before I would up give up pick 12 on him.
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take wright if available.
Was once rated top 2 or 3 and i don't have any faith in FJ so i would definately go for Wright.
while he lo0ks far better quality than vickery griffiths and mcbean do we really need another 200cm fwd cum ruckman or vice versa. we do if those three are no good i suppose.
the question i have to ask with him is. unlike our three will he be really good in one role say fwd and okay in the other , or is he just another who may be just okay in both.
this is exactly the complaint with both vickery and griffiths. neither are very good in one role.
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take wright if available.
Was once rated top 2 or 3 and i don't have any faith in FJ so i would definately go for Wright.
while he lo0ks far better quality than vickery griffiths and mcbean do we really need another 200cm fwd cum ruckman or vice versa. we do if those three are no good i suppose.
the question i have to ask with him is. unlike our three will he be really good in one role say fwd and okay in the other , or is he just another who may be just okay in both.
this is exactly the complaint with both vickery and griffiths. neither are very good in one role.
He runs well and kicks the ball well but his contested marking needs attentions as does his ruck work. He said it himself that he is a better forward than ruckman. Is he better quality than Vickery, Griffiths or McBean...not sure about that. Pass with pick 12 for mine. Pick the best mid available.
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Why wouldn't we take him at 12 if available?
Our ruck stocks need a young option.
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Why wouldn't we take him at 12 if available?
Our ruck stocks need a young option.
Agree.
Early this year some punters had him going number 1!!!
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He is a forward who plays ruck as required. The same player as Vickery, Griffiths and McBean. Do we need another 200+ forward who can chop out in the ruck?
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He's only 18.
Be 4/5 years before he hits his peak, by that stage at least one or two of those will be gone.
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He is a forward who plays ruck as required. The same player as Vickery, Griffiths and McBean. Do we need another 200+ forward who can chop out in the ruck?
At 203cm and growing he will be s ruckman first and forward second in a few years. We need a class ruckman when the Mullet hangs up his boots! This is perfect.
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That could be a problem as he himself said he is a forward first and plays ruck as required. Turning a player into something he is not does not allways end well. Agree we need a young ruck so let's draft one or rookie one. The 2 young ruckman claw mentioned from WA could be the go or poach a player next year. In saying all that, who knows, he could develop into a gun ruck....time will tell however, I think we need the best available mid with our first pick.
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The best one
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The best one
Exactly.
Your first pick should always be best available.
Best available = Peter Wright (if he is available!)
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I'd not be disappointed if we drafted Wright with our first pick but I just think we have bigger needs.
As we saw this trade period and last, decent ruckmen get traded around all the time. Maric has been awesome for us but only cost us a pick in the 30's and was ready to go from day one.
Why not trade for one next year or even the year after and rookie another couple this year. Ruckmen take a fair while to develop, why not try to develop a couple as rookies? Plus we do have Vickory and Hampson there at the moment that can provide enough backup to Ivan.
On another not, I was speaking to a guy on the weekend that seems to think Laverde will slide in the draft. Not sure how far but how nice would it be if he slipped to us. Every year someone slides for one reason or anther.
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He is a forward who plays ruck as required. The same player as Vickery, Griffiths and McBean. Do we need another 200+ forward who can chop out in the ruck?
They don't grow on trees. :shh
It wasn't that long ago we'd be happy to have one
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Lachie Weller is a Tiger supporter ...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-10/going-places-draft-prospect-lachie-weller-shadows-the-stars
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Lachie Weller is a Tiger supporter ...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-10/going-places-draft-prospect-lachie-weller-shadows-the-stars
Looks a bit skinny in the tiger jumper! Needs to beef up!! ;D
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I'd not be disappointed if we drafted Wright with our first pick but I just think we have bigger needs.
As we saw this trade period and last, decent ruckmen get traded around all the time. Maric has been awesome for us but only cost us a pick in the 30's and was ready to go from day one.
Why not trade for one next year or even the year after and rookie another couple this year. Ruckmen take a fair while to develop, why not try to develop a couple as rookies? Plus we do have Vickory and Hampson there at the moment that can provide enough backup to Ivan.
On another not, I was speaking to a guy on the weekend that seems to think Laverde will slide in the draft. Not sure how far but how nice would it be if he slipped to us. Every year someone slides for one reason or anther.
laverde or failin that degoey for me that is if we only ttarget a mid with 12.
when i look at our needs or look to balance out the list and target each area with good numbers and enough quality i figure we need.
2/ inside mids or mids who are both inside and out. pick 12.
2/ quick skillfull outside line breaking mids.
1/ mature ruckman to replace hampson. theres a few options id rookie cameron, im tempted to look at loersch he has kicked goals and has real size but atm he is a one trick player. what i can gather sam baulderstone at 24yrs is probably the best state league option going around.
1/ kpf possibly two. there is only riewoldt at 195cm the rest are all 200cm ruck/fwd options of which to date none look like being very good in one of the roles.
2/ tall fwds we dont have one fwd 190- thru 194 cm.its why i think tyler kietel or tom lamb would be a good fit for us.
1/ sml fwd really quick who kicks his fair share of goals and applies plenty of pressure. we have 3 on our list mcdonough,lloyd, and s edwards and none really tick the required boxes or all of the boxes.
1/ sml defender there is only houli and he lacks defensively.
we have 8 spots to fill on the list and have 10 needs overall. this yr to me the tall fwds and mids should be a priority. but if pick 12 is not a mid or tall fwd but best available so be it.
my attitude to the talls is this. we could very easily upgrade our kpp/tall stocks because only riewoldt,rannce and ruckman maric have shown themselves to be a top level player.
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To fill our need, next year we will go the GWS meal deal and snare both Shiel and Cameron. :shh
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To fill our need, next year we will go the GWS meal deal and snare both Shiel and Cameron. :shh
It's scary how sometimes people say things and they come true. Bookmarked. ;)
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Tigers eye classy midfield trio with first-round pick
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
November 10, 2014 8:59 PM
MIDFIELD class is on the agenda for Richmond at this month's NAB AFL Draft, with three of the crop's better ball-users to be considered by the Tigers for their first selection.
Liam Duggan, Corey Ellis and Lachie Weller are believed to be on the club's recruiting radar for pick No.12, with the strong chance at least one of the trio will still be available.
Duggan started the year as a neat kicking half-back but progressed into the midfield where he showed a capacity to be used as an inside and outside option. He averaged 22 disposals in the TAC Cup this season, with about half of those contested.
But the Western Jets leader could be gone by the time the Tigers enter the draft, with Gold Coast (selection No.8 ) and West Coast (No.11) also interested.
Weller is also a possibility to be off the board by Richmond's pick, with the composed midfielder in consideration for the Eagles' selection. With a burst of speed and elite foot skills, the 18-year-old offers some midfield run and carry and can also push forward to set up and kick goals.
Ellis is unlikely to be picked before the Tigers' first selection, but will be considered by a number of clubs in the next handful of selections if the Tigers look elsewhere.
The Tigers last year drafted half-forward Ben Lennon at selection No.12, and he played seven games in his debut season.
Lennon had been long-linked to the club, having trained there early in the season as part of his AIS-AFL Academy scholarship, but the top end of this year's draft appears less settled.
Jarrod Pickett remains in contention for Greater Western Sydney's three top-10 picks and Gold Coast's pick No.8, and strong-marking half-forward Jordan De Goey has been linked to Collingwood's pick No.5.
The Giants and Magpies will shape the rest of the first round, and tall forward/ruckman Peter Wright will likely be considered by Gold Coast (pick No.8 ), Geelong (10), Richmond (12) and Fremantle (13) should he not be selected by the Giants.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-10/tigers-eye-classy-mids
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Weller and Ahern for me. Certainly infront of Duggan, Ellis and Cockatoo.
Wright looks like a good player if we go tall. Durdin also a good consideration.
Weller has class, Ahern I like as well he looks like a footballer as well.
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Weller being a RFC suppoerter from tassie certainly puts him inthe frame , has some wheels :shh
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Weller being a RFC suppoerter from tassie certainly puts him inthe frame , has some wheels :shh
to be honest I don't think it matters who they barrack for it just comes down to how good they play and how good they can become in time. based on the little Ive seen (very little) the midfielders I like are Laverde, Weller and Ahern. I don't think Laverde will be around if we are lucky we will still have Weller and or Ahern available at our pick. Wright as a big man moves reallygood and exhibits good field kicking.
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Here's the draft profiles of Duggan, Ellis & Weller. Who do you prefer out of the three?
Liam Duggan
Player bio 2014 U18 stats
Age: 17 Games: 5
Height: 183cm Goals: -
Weight: 75kg Avg Kicks: 8.6
Pos: Defender Avg Marks: 2.8
Avg Hballs: 6.6
Left-footed medium midfielder/defender with excellent decision-making skills. Uses the ball well and poised under pressure. Finished equal-seventh in the 3km time trial in a time of 10:11 and registered 26/30 in the kicking test at the NAB AFL Draft Combine. Finished the home and away season for the Western Jets with 30 disposals and 12 tackles against Gippsland Power, and averaged 15 disposals at 76 per cent efficiency in five games in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships. Won the Ben Mitchell Medal in the NAB AFL Academy Level 2 squad.
VIDEO HIGHLIGHTS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfNG1QuDlUw
http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=695791
(http://www.krockfootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Liam-Duggan.jpg)
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Corey Ellis
Player bio 2014 U18 stats
Age: 18 Games: 5
Height: 185cm Goals: 2
Weight: 76kg Avg Kicks: 7.4
Pos: Midfielder Avg Marks: 3.2
Avg Hballs: 6.2
Left-footed medium midfielder who is a star at the clearances with his clean hands and makes quick and correct decisions. Uses the ball well by hand and foot and has good game sense. Averaged 14 disposals and four tackles in his five matches in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships. Missed the late part of the season with a foot injury, which forced him out of testing at the NAB AFL Draft Combine.
VIDEO HIGHLIGHTS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ouL23fAa4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akuifTPqtSY
http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=696654
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Lachlan Weller
Player bio 2014 U18 stats
Age: 18 Games: 3
Height: 181cm Goals: 3
Weight: 74kg Avg Kicks: 8.6
Pos: Midfielder Avg Marks: 2.6
Avg Hballs: 9.3
Medium midfielder has pace, poise and neat disposal by hand and foot. Won McLean Medal at NAB AFL Under-16 Championships in 2012 and was a NAB AFL Academy Level 2 squad member. Averaged 18 possessions in his three games during the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships. After a month off, impressed in his last game of the season for the Allies against the NAB AFL Academy on Grand Final day until injured. Bone bruising in his leg ruled him out of testing at the NAB AFL Draft Combine. Brother of St Kilda's Maverick.
VIDEO HIGHLIGHTS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYf97cfxBBc
http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=698181
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-10-29/draft-trumps-lachie-weller
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-11-10/going-places-lachie-weller
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/335618-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-10/tigers-eye-classy-mids
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Emma Quayle's article today on Lachie Weller ...
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-draft-lachie-wellers-brotherly-lessons-20141110-11avch.html
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Liam Duggan.I rate this kid highly after the top two midfielders in the draft he is up there complete package and has the legspeed and run and carry we need.
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From Luke Weller's in-depth profile part-2:
When he gets home next week he wants to continue working on his contested-ball winning, seeing it as the main area of improvement in his game.
On tour he has seen bigger midfielders Angus Brayshaw, Isaac Heeney and Walsh dominate in and around stoppages. Weller is at his best outside stoppages when using the ball. He wants to get up to 80kg, and thinks that – and a mindset tweak – would be enough to improve the contested side of his game.
"There are a lot of midfielders who don't have both sides, and I'm always challenging myself to be better," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-11/model-prospect-lachie-weller-steps-up-on-the-footy-ground-and-steps-out-for-the-cameras
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@SamLandsberger - "Meet Liam Duggan, the classy mid the Tigers want at No. 12."
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Pick Me: Liam Duggan matured quickly after teammate’s death, set to be first-round draft pick
Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
November 11, 2014 8:00PM
LIAM Duggan remembers running Ballarat’s Eastern Oval centre square perimeter trying to keep warm as his under-16’s qualifying final was brought to a dramatic halt.
Bacchus Marsh teammate Nathan Prince had collapsed in a forward pocket and Duggan — a hot chance to land at Richmond or North Melbourne early in this month’s draft — at first thought he had fainted.
But when Prince went into cardiac arrest and required resuscitation the game was called off and the gravity of what was unfolding immediately hit Duggan, his Cobra teammates and coach, Western Bulldogs legend Doug Hawkins.
Prince, 17, lost his fight for life 11 days later.
Five days after his funeral and a tear-filled training session, Duggan, then 14, kicked two of Bacchus Marsh’s eight goals on his non-preferred right foot as Hawkins’ side beat the undefeated North Ballarat to win a premiership dedicated to Prince.
It remains Hawkins’ sporting pinnacle. He said he was more proud of that moment than breaking Ted Whitten’s games record or his six flags at Braybrook.
Hawkins said it also capped the four weeks Duggan matured from a boy to a man.
“His finals performances against all odds with young Nathan lying in hospital … I watched that kid grow,” Hawkins said.
“He reminds me so much of Robbie Flower. Duggan might be a left-footer, but he’s got this outstanding balance and he ticks every single box.
“He kicks both sides, he’s got good vertical leap, he’s strong overhead and has the tank of a marathon runner.
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Liam Duggan has been compared to Nick Dal Santo. Picture: Stuart Milligan
“One-on-one he’s hard to beat. He can outmark a smaller bloke and a taller bloke he’ll get it to ground and beat them on the run.
“When he started training I said to his dad, ‘your kid’s going to play league footy’.”
And Duggan wasn’t the only one.
Of Hawkins’ 2011 side left-footer Dillon Viojo-Rainbow will find an AFL home in the second round and gangly forward Brenton Payne — grandson of 184-game Bomber Charlie Payne — is a chance at the back end.
“Viojo-Rainbow is an absolute jet, As soon as I saw these boys they screamed AFL straight away, straight away,” Hawkins said.
“I picked the three of them. And that grand final that those boys were a part of had a lot to do with their development, don’t worry about that.”
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Liam Duggan led St Pat’s College to its fifth-straight Herald Sun shield. Picture: Colleen Petch
Richmond has spoken to Duggan several times and wants to add to its growing band of classy ball users at pick 12, while draft sources believe Duggan won’t get past North Melbourne at pick 16.
Duggan said that while a few of his teammates started thinking about their mortality on the football field after Prince died, he learned not to take anything for granted.
“The ultimate was taken away from Nathan that day, so live in the now and don’t take anything for granted and just be grateful for what you’ve got,” he said.
“I actually go out with (Prince’s) younger sister.”
Duggan — who keeps his premiership medal in his room with a team photo and newspaper article — captained Western Jets this year and led St Pat’s College to its fifth-straight Herald Sun shield.
An AFL recruiter noted he was among the most impressive interviewees seen, with clubs believing he is the safest selection in this year’s pool.
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Liam Duggan was captain of the Western Jets this season. Picture: David Smith
LIAM DUGGAN
AGE: 17
HEIGHT: 183cm
WEIGHT: 75kg
CLUB: Western Jets
POSITION: Midfielder
SUPERCOACH AVE.: 120 pts
PLAYS LIKE: Nick Dal Santo
PREDICTED DRAFT RANGE: 8-16
IN THE MIX: Gold Coast (8/15), West Coast (11), Richmond (12), North Melbourne (16)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pick-me-liam-duggan-matured-quickly-after-teammates-death-set-to-be-firstround-draft-pick/story-fnau1fjg-1227119874846
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WATCH DUGGAN’S “PICK ME” VIDEO: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/video/id-1vZjVucTpTEm-giav4GO5hZW70jsfb2Q/Pick-Me-for-AFL-Draft:-Liam-Duggan
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Liam Duggan.I rate this kid highly after the top two midfielders in the draft he is up there complete package and has the legspeed and run and carry we need.
based on limitedvision I agree that he shows good run and carry and decent leg speed (nothing spectacular however) my big concern is in just a small 2 or 3 minute highlight video he has
12 kicks in total
4 of the kicks are kick ins from Full Back where 3 out of the 4 find a team mate and that's fair enough
1 of his outfield kicks goes to a team mate
6 of his outfield kicks goes to the opposition
1 kick ends up as a 50/50
of 12 kicks 7 kicks go to the opposition
4 kicks go to a team mate and 3 of them are when he is taking a kick out from full back
1 kick is a 50-50
I understand that the kids have a kicking test and maybe young liam did well and maybe indeed he is a good kick but if this is his highlight tape with some of his best endeavors I have to say its a worry in terms of his field kicking
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Going by that article it sounds like Duggan is our man. Isn't this about the time we start hearing who we're dead set on?
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That's what worries me dwaino, makes me wonder if there was a slider like Laverde would we take him or stay the course with Duggan bc he's our target.
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Just looking through some phantom drafts in this thread and stuff, if Laverde or even Ahern slides then who is getting picked ahead? Surely clubs won't go for Duggan or Weller in the top 10 would they? Someone taking Wright might push someone down, but you're right TM. I hope we take best available, pick 12 seems neither here nor there and we should take whatever we can get.
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I heard Weller doesn't want to leave the Gold Coast but the Suns have told him they won't pick him with there first pic. He told a mate "if I get drafted anywhere else I'll see out my two years and get traded back"
The kid sounds like a flog with that attitude.
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I heard Weller doesn't want to leave the Gold Coast but the Suns have told him they won't pick him with there first pic. He told a mate "if I get drafted anywhere else I'll see out my two years and get traded back"
The kid sounds like a flog with that attitude.
Where did you hear that? Sounds like complete BS.
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I heard Weller doesn't want to leave the Gold Coast but the Suns have told him they won't pick him with there first pic. He told a mate "if I get drafted anywhere else I'll see out my two years and get traded back"
The kid sounds like a flog with that attitude.
Def BS, he only moved to the GC a couple of years ago from Tassie when Mav got drafted & his mum & dad have since moved to Melb to be close to Mav
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Nice work Taz.
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I heard Weller doesn't want to leave the Gold Coast but the Suns have told him they won't pick him with there first pic. He told a mate "if I get drafted anywhere else I'll see out my two years and get traded back"
The kid sounds like a flog with that attitude.
This is a terrible post Loui. Don't call kids flogs until you are positive with the information. There is just so much BS that floats around that it doesn't say much of the person that get sucks in and believes it most of the time. Be a bit more discerning please......
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I heard Weller doesn't want to leave the Gold Coast but the Suns have told him they won't pick him with there first pic. He told a mate "if I get drafted anywhere else I'll see out my two years and get traded back"
The kid sounds like a flog with that attitude.
I heard a similar thing. Told a mate if he does get drafted elsewhere he'll try every way possible of going back
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I heard he'd be over the moon to play for the club he has supported his whole life and that's us. I'm hoping we call out his name on draft night.
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I heard Weller doesn't want to leave the Gold Coast but the Suns have told him they won't pick him with there first pic. He told a mate "if I get drafted anywhere else I'll see out my two years and get traded back"
The kid sounds like a flog with that attitude.
I heard he only wants to stay at the Gold Coast until schoolies is over.
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But I have seen quite a bit of Duggan play for about. 4 years now and he is a very classy player.
Talking to another former bulldogs player(not Hawkins) and he's a good friend of the family and reckons he's pretty keen to go to the tigers.
The only other thing I've heard through is that he's unlikely to still be around at our pick.
Be interesting to see it unfold.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2014-draft-dfa-talk-part-ii-picks-12-33-52-70-88-miles.1080191/page-64#post-36067275
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Sam Landsberger's latest tweet on Duggan ...
"His best results are in the video - finished 10th in 3km trial (10min11sec) and scored 26/30 in the kicking test."
https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/532325914638442496
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What did Lennon score last year in speed and kicking?
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Sam Landsberger's latest tweet on Duggan ...
"His best results are in the video - finished 10th in 3km trial (10min11sec) and scored 26/30 in the kicking test."
https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/532325914638442496
the kicking test is rubbish, what counts is game day kicking in the heat of the match and based on some admittedly very limited vision he seems average to me in terms of kicking.
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What did Lennon score last year in speed and kicking?
would tip his kicking was very good, speed poor
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I heard Weller doesn't want to leave the Gold Coast but the Suns have told him they won't pick him with there first pic. He told a mate "if I get drafted anywhere else I'll see out my two years and get traded back"
The kid sounds like a flog with that attitude.
This is a terrible post Loui. Don't call kids flogs until you are positive with the information. There is just so much BS that floats around that it doesn't say much of the person that get sucks in and believes it most of the time. Be a bit more discerning please......
I'm happy to cop all the criticism in the world over this, my source is good, and I've written exactly what he told him. I know he's a Tassie boy but he loves the Gold Coast and doesn't want to leave, that's straight from the Horses mouth.
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Duggan will be at punt rd :shh
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Sam Landsberger's latest tweet on Duggan ...
"His best results are in the video - finished 10th in 3km trial (10min11sec) and scored 26/30 in the kicking test."
https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/532325914638442496
the kicking test is rubbish, what counts is game day kicking in the heat of the match and based on some admittedly very limited vision he seems average to me in terms of kicking.
He is arguably the best kick in the draft. Both his kicking to position and for goal is elite. He is also genuinely dual sided.
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Duggan will be at punt rd :shh
No going back on your word this time Bojo
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Sam Landsberger's latest tweet on Duggan ...
"His best results are in the video - finished 10th in 3km trial (10min11sec) and scored 26/30 in the kicking test."
https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/532325914638442496
the kicking test is rubbish, what counts is game day kicking in the heat of the match and based on some admittedly very limited vision he seems average to me in terms of kicking.
He is arguably the best kick in the draft. Both his kicking to position and for goal is elite. He is also genuinely dual sided.
I saw a video where he just about misses every target with just about everyone of his in play kicks.
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which video?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfNG1QuDlUw
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfNG1QuDlUw
alot of these are under pressure, but I can assure you, you don't get the responsibility of doing the kick ins for your state unless you are an elite kick and he is.
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I haven't seen hardly any footy this year in terms of potential draftees, Maybe all up about 30 minutes, I hope your right especially if we pick him, I went looking for some footage and found this, to be honest he seems a very good link up player, good hands too but some of the kicking is woeful and I was just a tad concerned. Mind you its only a 2 or 3 minute highlight tape but if that's highights of his kicking then I think its fair enough to question it.
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I haven't seen hardly any footy this year in terms of potential draftees, Maybe all up about 30 minutes, I hope your right especially if we pick him, I went looking for some footage and found this, to be honest he seems a very good link up player, good hands too but some of the kicking is woeful and I was just a tad concerned. Mind you its only a 2 or 3 minute highlight tape but if that's highights of his kicking then I think its fair enough to question it.
look at this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU8TVMeiX5E
excellent kicking, left, right, stabs, long 65 metre punts, he can do it all
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I haven't seen hardly any footy this year in terms of potential draftees, Maybe all up about 30 minutes, I hope your right especially if we pick him, I went looking for some footage and found this, to be honest he seems a very good link up player, good hands too but some of the kicking is woeful and I was just a tad concerned. Mind you its only a 2 or 3 minute highlight tape but if that's highights of his kicking then I think its fair enough to question it.
look at this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU8TVMeiX5E
excellent kicking, left, right, stabs, long 65 metre punts, he can do it all
that's a very good package and his kicking is for the most part excellent in this video. the previous video maybe has done the lad an injustice. he has great hands and his also very good linking up ... also pretty good in the first few yards when he takes off. those are very good features. now I can be happy with either Weller or Duggan or Ahern or the big ruckman if he slides.
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Yeah Ramps, in the Herald Sun and AFL highlight packages he looks to be a very good kick on both sides. All reports suggest he is also. Captained St Pats and his tac team so leadership is another strength.
I think the question marks would be around his inside game.
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Lock in Dudley Do-Right Duggan - an FJ Vanilla Slice Special.
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From twitter:
Brett Anderson has Gold Coast going for Weller then Cockatoo then Langford at 8 (if Pickett, DeGoey & Laverde are gone before their pick).
Callum Twomey has the Eagles tossing up between Duggan or Weller.
Sam Landsberger says the "Tiges, Eagles and Roos all like Liam Duggan".
Emma Quayle says West Coast, Richmond, Adelaide and maybe Gold Coast too in the mix for Nakia Cockatoo.
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Lock in Dudley Do-Right Duggan - an FJ Vanilla Slice Special.
He does look like a very good player in Blaisees video. He isn't vanilla from that video. Runs well, kicks well, great hands and has a few tricks ... remember we only have an average pick so for what we have available to us Duggan, Weller or Ahern seem good to me. We also cannot afford a complete bust. Duggan and Weller look like long term 200 game players to me.
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With 2-12 seemingly rather even...
I seems #12 is not a bad position to be in :shh
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Tiges & Roos in the mix for Corey Ellis, a poised midfielder. He can go under the radar but is quality.
https://twitter.com/AFL_CalTwomey
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Tiges & Roos in the mix for Corey Ellis, a poised midfielder. He can go under the radar but is quality.
https://twitter.com/AFL_CalTwomey
Hope not ellis looks slow and in to much of a hurry to get rid of the footy (he looks like he is in a rush to get the footy away when kicking). There are at least 2 or 3 tapes I've seen and its the same in each video. There seem to be much better players at this pick than this player. This player is what you call "Vanilla" straight out of the Francis Jackson playbook and that's what worries me this boy looks like a Conca type (a pick 20 to 30 player).
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If Ellis is seriously in the mix then lock him in - Duggan is at least French vanilla, Ellis is just regular vanilla. The plainer, the better for Francis "Mr. Shrewd" Jackson.
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14 days to the draft: Meet Corey Ellis
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
November 13, 2014
VIDEO HIGHLIGHTS: http://afl.com.au/video?guid=702079
COREY Ellis' season didn't end the way he hoped, on the sidelines for the Western Jets' finals appearance and the NAB AFL Draft Combine with a stress fracture in his foot.
It left him in a moon boot and will have clubs checking his medical assessment, but the Victorian midfielder did enough through the year to maintain his standing as one of the better prospects.
Ellis had some injuries through the year, too, being hampered at times in the under-18 championships with Vic Metro. But in eight games for the Jets he averaged 22 disposals and five clearances, highlighting his poise in close.
Why they should pick him
Ellis' ball use and decision-making sets him apart. He's in the top echelon for both categories, and he makes use of it in games.
His versatility is also a strength. He can be used off half-back, on a wing, in a midfield role and even closer to goal, where his left-foot disposal is damaging. But wherever he plays, he knows what to do.
Ellis has the knack of reading the play, finding the ball and making quick and correct decisions when it's in his hands. He can't really explain where it comes from, just that he's good at thinking clearly under pressure.
Behind Ellis' quiet personality is also a steely determination to succeed. He knows what he wants, has worked hard to this point to get there, and has the mature head to settle into an AFL club.
The Query
He is perhaps one-paced, but that's not a huge concern. Ellis' foot injury is not ideal, particularly given the proper diagnosis wasn't found until later on, but hopefully it doesn't linger.
Plays like
There's a bit of Dom Tyson to Ellis. He isn't especially fast, but gets around that by being very quick of mind and at getting the ball in his hands.
Draft range
Ellis is a first-round pick in the eyes of most club recruiters, but will most likely fall between picks No.12 and 20.
Bottom line
Ellis is unassuming, but he's courageous at the stoppages, smart when he has the ball and a very damaging kick. He brings players into the game and does everything without looking troubled.
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/corey-ellis-graphic.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-13/meet-corey-ellis
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stuff it, Div 2 or not, I'd rather Cockatoo or Weller than either of these plodders. I'm on board the Cocky Train* yb&b & dooks! Choo Choo!!! Go Cocky!!!
*only if the Langford, Wright, Ahern, Leverde, Durdin, Garlett, Goddard & De Goey trains have all already left the station.
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I reckon we d value a bit more dash than what he can offer, duggan or Weller from tapes I've seen ...only knock on Weller he looks light , 18 months from a senior body
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Duggan doesn't look all that quick to me.
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Lock in Dudley Do-Right Duggan - an FJ Vanilla Slice Special.
He does look like a very good player in Blaisees video. He isn't vanilla from that video. Runs well, kicks well, great hands and has a few tricks ... remember we only have an average pick so for what we have available to us Duggan, Weller or Ahern seem good to me. We also cannot afford a complete bust. Duggan and Weller look like long term 200 game players to me.
sorry ramps but pick 12 is not an average pick. its a bloody ripper pick and we need to nail it.
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stuff it, Div 2 or not, I'd rather Cockatoo or Weller than either of these plodders. I'm on board the Cocky Train* yb&b & dooks! Choo Choo!!! Go Cocky!!!
*only if the Langford, Wright, Ahern, Leverde, Durdin, Garlett, Goddard & De Goey trains have all already left the station.
When you've booked your tickets on the Cocka Express, no other train matters :cheers :cheers
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Duggan for me
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Callum Twomey has his latest top 30 out today. He's got us linked to 5 draftees ...
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It has been an interesting season for Wright, who started the year as a possible No.1 choice and ends it as one of the main mysteries of the draft. At his best, Wright is a marking, leading, straight-kicking giant who is unstoppable up forward. He can move into the ruck, runs a level 14 beep test and his pace and agility results are sound. But Wright still needs to work on his contested marking for a player his height, and he can be pushed off the ball too easily. Back and hamstring injuries have limited his time in the gym to build his strength. A knee injury ruled him out of the Calder Cannons' Grand Final defeat and testing at the NAB AFL Draft Combine, but he should be fully fit by the time he starts pre-season.
Where does he go? The big question. Gold Coast (pick No.8), Geelong (No.10) and Richmond (No.12) will consider him if he got past Greater Western Sydney's batch of picks, but other clubs in the teens have started doing more homework on him in the expectation he drops.
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Weller brings class and composure to the midfield group of this year. Best suited as an outside player, Weller can find the footy and use it. His kicking is elite and he makes life easier for forwards, often directing them where to lead with his kicks. As the year went on he used his top-end speed more, regularly spotting a gap and then breaking through it, and he also showed a liking for edging forward and slotting goals. At his size he's not a big midfielder, and he still needs to develop his inside game, but he has plenty going for him. He's a professional, hard-working prospect who takes nothing for chance and thinks a lot about his game and how to improve.
Where does he go? Gold Coast is the obvious link and he's of interest to them, but that may be for its second pick (No.15). West Coast and Richmond also like him and further back Essendon and Carlton will look closely.
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A cool head and even cooler left foot match up to make Duggan a prospect with a strong draft CV. He moved this year from a small defensive role to the midfield, where he also became a regular ball-winner and keen tackler. Duggan makes it easier for others around him: he's happy to play a team-focused role, and to feed the ball out, but is just as capable of running with it and making the play. He's low-risk. His kicking is strong and he's able to put his body on the line when it matters. Among clubs Duggan is seen as one of the most presentable players and best to interview, and he is well liked by his teammates.
Where does he go? Firming as a pick in the 8-12 range, with Gold Coast a big shot. West Coast and Richmond are also in the hunt.
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Durdin ended a tough year in the best form he had shown all season, dominating in the ruck for West Adelaide as it claimed the SANFL under-18s premiership. But, despite his natural flair as a running big man, Durdin won't be tall enough to hold down that spot at the top level. He seems better placed to continue as a key defender. There he can use his mobility and marking strength to stop and then repel, but he's also been used in attack at times. A thumb injury at the start of this season threw out his confidence and he didn't manage to get back to the form he would have liked, but Durdin still has plenty to offer.
Where does he go? Difficult to place. Richmond, Fremantle and Adelaide will consider if he isn't taken inside the first 10, with Geelong a shot.
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You might need to watch Ellis closely before you can appreciate what he does well, as he isn't the type of player with a blinding highlights package. However, with some inspection, you'll notice he's a damaging kick, he reads the play smartly, doesn't get flustered, and can play in a number of spots. Ellis doesn't have the breakaway speed that others might possess, but he does the little things right. He had a foot injury at the end of the season that ended up being diagnosed as a crack, which might push back his start to the pre-season. At times this year he was deployed to use his skills across half-back but appears more at home in the midfield. Ellis is a quietly determined personality who understands the work that's ahead.
Where does he go? The Tigers like him and have put in a fair bit of work. North Melbourne will strongly consider at pick No.16.
Full top 30: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-14/phantom-draft-form-guide-november-update
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VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-11-14/phantom-form-guide-special
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Who's on your club's radar? Chat live on the AFL website with draft expert Cal Twomey from 12.30pm AEDT:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-14/chat-live-with-draft-expert-callum-twomey
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Duggan or Wright assuming one of them slip to us
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From Callum Twomey's live chat today:
"Tigers have some midfielders with class on their radar - Liam Duggan, Lachie Weller and Corey Ellis."
"Dylan, if the choice came, I think it'd be Duggan."
"Adam, best kicks in the draft in no particular order: Duggan, Weller, Brayshaw, Ellis and Ahern."
Twomey all has West Coast tossing up between Duggan and Weller.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-14/chat-live-with-draft-expert-callum-twomey
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I'd be happy if they got Wright providing he slipped through to us.
Can never have too many KPF's on your list. And makes Giffiths/Vickery/McBean all the more tradeable if necessary.
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be very surprised if durdin slips outside the top 10. i prefer him to wright.
it will be 2 or 3 yrs before he even plays a game at afl because of his size but this kid has more potential than most mids in this draft and hes one of the better talls.
would take him in a heart beat if hes still there at 12 knowing full well he wont help us in anyway in the immediate future. seems to me thats what this club is all about the last 2 or 3 yrs the immediate future.
imo theres some serious undervaluing of the talls going on and their potential.
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we pretty well know regardless of what tall is there at 12 we will take a mid.
hope its not liam duggan. i just dont rate this kid. i think his pace is ordinary and i reckon hes panics under pressure. i must admit like a lot i havent seen much of a lot of the kids and it may be ive caught duggan at the wrong times.
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be very surprised if durdin slips outside the top 10. i prefer him to wright.
it will be 2 or 3 yrs before he even plays a game at afl because of his size but this kid has more potential than most mids in this draft and hes one of the better talls.
would take him in a heart beat if hes still there at 12 knowing full well he wont help us in anyway in the immediate future. seems to me thats what this club is all about the last 2 or 3 yrs the immediate future.
imo theres some serious undervaluing of the talls going on and their potential.
Thing that concerns me with durdin is his best performances by some stretch have been in the ruck, at afl level he won't be able to do that due to his size?
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be very surprised if durdin slips outside the top 10. i prefer him to wright.
it will be 2 or 3 yrs before he even plays a game at afl because of his size but this kid has more potential than most mids in this draft and hes one of the better talls.
would take him in a heart beat if hes still there at 12 knowing full well he wont help us in anyway in the immediate future. seems to me thats what this club is all about the last 2 or 3 yrs the immediate future.
imo theres some serious undervaluing of the talls going on and their potential.
Thing that concerns me with durdin is his best performances by some stretch have been in the ruck, at afl level he won't be able to do that due to his size?
yeah ive heard that as well.
just the way he marks the ball and his agility and athleticism. i see a better version of carlisle in many ways.
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I'm still on the Weller and Duggan bandwagon. If they pick Ellis it will dead set give me the shizts
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They like to reach
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I'm still on the Weller and Duggan bandwagon. If they pick Ellis it will dead set give me the shizts
why duggan ramps??. of all the mids linked to us hes the one i least want at 12.
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I'm still on the Weller and Duggan bandwagon. If they pick Ellis it will dead set give me the shizts
why duggan ramps??. of all the mids linked to us hes the one i least want at 12.
What have you seen of Duggan out of curiosity?
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From Callum Twomey's latest audio podcast ...
* Latest talk is Jarrod Pickett to GWS at 4.
* Laverde most likely to the Pies at 5.
* Ahern could slip to pick 14-15 if he doesn't get selected at 4-5.
* Wright to go no earlier than pick 8. Geelong will consider him at 10 as well De Goey.
* Richmond & West Coast waiting to see which midfielders fall through - Out of Duggan, Weller & Ellis for Richmond while the Eagles are keen on Duggan too.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-14/draft-podcast-two-weeks-to-go
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I'm still on the Weller and Duggan bandwagon. If they pick Ellis it will dead set give me the shizts
why duggan ramps??. of all the mids linked to us hes the one i least want at 12.
What have you seen of Duggan out of curiosity?
I haven't seen much of any of the lads especially this year so what Ive done is look at a few highlights of very limited vision. In the midfielders I look for 1) can they kick the footy properly 2) can they find footy 3) can they run and carry with speed 4) can they kick goals. Ive come to the view that a midfielder who cant kick goals should be downscored on ratings. I like Weller and Duggan and Ahern from that angle, its why Ive downgraded Ellis who I don't particularly like as a player, its why I liked the video of Jack Lonie whilst he may not get to the midfield he is a goalkicker and a quality small inside 50 is really important. We need players with a bit of class who can hurt the opposition on the scoreboard. Weller, Duggan and Ahern in that order at 12 then hopefully we have some luck down the draft.
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Emma Quayle's article in the Age today ...
The words "best available" get used a lot at this time of year, and always come with an asterisk attached. Best can only ever be in the eye of each invididual recruiter when you're talking about teenage footballers, and if you asked all 18 recruiters to rank the best players in this year's draft none of their lists would come back looking the same.
This year's group looks good, and reasonably big. It's incredibly even, once you get past the first handful of names, and filled with some very different types. It's easy to look back on past drafts and see who should have been picked where, but at this time of year, the future isn't easy to predict.
This is the eighth time I have put together my own rankings, and narrowing the list to just 30 players was tough. In fact, it was expanded from the usual 25 in order to squeeze a few more in. The players always feel hard to split - at this point in time any of them could be anything, that's the best bit about any draft - but this year it felt like pushing one up the order nudged another too far down.
This time last year, the draft was giving some recruiters the shivers. "It scared me half to death going in," said one. This year, the feeling's a bit different. "This year I feel comfortable," he said. "This year I think there will be players we're happy to pick right the way through. I'm really looking forward to this one."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/2014-afl-draft-a-level-playing-field-for-recruiters-20141115-11nfn5.html
She rates Duggan, Ahern and Cockatoo inside the top 10 whereas she has Weller and Ellis in the late teens.
1. Heeney
2. Wright
3. Petracca
4. McCartin
5. Moore
6. Brayshaw
7. Laverde
8. Duggan
9. Ahern
10. Cockatoo
11. Lever
12. Steele
13. Pickett
14. Lamb
15. De Goey
16. Durdin
17. Langford
18. Ellis
19. Weller
20. Neal-Bullen
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Speaking to a mate last week involved in TAC Cup and he rated Heeney the best kid he had seen play this year too. Just goes to show you what a steel the Swan are getting.. That's all the comp needs.
Also he didn't rate Laverde as high as most.
Personally I rate Duggan from the limited vision I have seen of him over a few others that will probably go before him. I'd be rapt if he fell to us at pick 12.
Really needed another pick or two in the 20's to early 30's IMO. It's the best bunch of kids I have seen for a long time. And we could have got them pretty easily if only we had some balls.
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Preferences for pick 12 of likely available picks..
Weller
Duggan
Cockatoo
Durdin
Ellis
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Duggan
Weller
Durdin
Cockatoo
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Star draftees to be assessed by club medicos in second screening
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
November 16, 2014 8:00PM
THE AFL will conduct a second medical screening on 10 potential star draftees on Tuesday.
The unprecedented move comes as AFL talent manager Kevin Sheehan labelled Thursday week’s pool as one of the deepest in years.
He says not since the drafts before the expansion era have all clubs had access to such top-end talent and quality selections later in the pool.
AFL club medicos will assemble to assess players including Calder Cannons talls Peter Wright and Jake Lever and Murray Bushrangers key defender Caleb Marchbank.
Sheehan rates “Two Metre Peter” Wright in his top four players but he missed the TAC Grand Final with a knee injury and he could slide until late in the first round given an inconsistent season.
Jake Lever missed the entire season with a knee reconstruction but is a versatile defender who some have linked with Melbourne as high as pick three.
Vic Country representative Marchbank missed this year’s national championships with a knee injury and is ranked in the top 25 selections despite stress fractures that kept him out for the 2013 season.
Sheehan said clubs were right to stock up on picks for the 2014 national draft.
“The thing about the draft is the evenness of the total group. We reckon there is nothing between picks 12 and 35,” he said.
“Once you get past the first four or five picks you would be happy to take selections in the 30s and 40s because of the depth of the boys there.
“I am still of the belief there are four outstanding selections and Peter Wright is one of them along with (Christian) Petracca, (Angus) Brayshaw and (Patrick) McCartin, but clubs are bullish.
“One year the Giants had 11 of the first 15 picks but clubs are up and about because they all have access, they all have picks by the time we hit 20.
“They are doing more homework than ever which is why we will have 10 or 12 in for second medicals, clubs want to leave nothing to chance.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl-draft-2014-star-draftees-to-be-assessed-by-club-medicos-in-second-screening/story-fnaqgujp-1227124860710
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The draft experts are still saying it's a raffle after pick 4. It all depends what GWS and Collingwood do with their picks at 5-7. Pickett & Goddard expected to be two of the three Giants' selections. Brett Anderson has the choice of their 3rd selection as between Laverde/Ahern/Marchbank/De Goey. He also has Duggan as Gold Coast's 2nd preference after Laverde at pick 8.
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Callum Twomey @AFL_CalTwomey 3 hours ago
Some draft notes.. Peter Wright believed to be meeting with GWS & Geelong this week. Many clubs have put in more time on him in recent weeks/
Expect it to be a draft where more than a couple of highly-rated players get through to late teens. Weller, Ahern, Marchbank possibilities.
Just think it's very even. Even though the top-12 might not contain as many standouts as last year, this year's far deeper.
https://twitter.com/AFL_CalTwomey/with_replies
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It seems the latest news is Duggan will most likely be gone before our pick.
Paige Cardona’s Phantom Draft: 6.0
Paige Cardona
boundforglorynews.com
17 November, 2014
We’re now under two weeks from the National Draft, and as such my monthly phantom drafts throughout 2014 are almost coming to an end. This is my final, full four-round phantom draft for 2014, with one more of the first round coming the week of the National Draft.
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank in particular Brett Anderson, Emma Quayle and Terry Wallace who have been great mentors and industry experts who’ve allowed me to bounce ideas, thoughts and opinions off them, whilst also guiding me and giving me invaluable feedback throughout the year. This has enabled me to deliver such frequent and in depth draft analysis in 2014.
Without further ado, here is edition 6.0.
1. Petracca (St K)
2. Brayshaw (Melb)
3. McCartin (Melb)
4. Pickett (GWS)
5. Laverde (Coll)
6. Lever (GWS)
7. Goddard (GWS)
8. Duggan (GC)
9. Moore (Coll)
10. De Goey (Geel)
11. Cockatoo (WCE)
12. Weller (Rich)
Pick 12: Richmond – Lachie Weller
Position: Midfielder
Height: 181 cm, Weight: 71 kg, DOB: 23/02/1996
Club: Southport
Projected draft range: 6-15
Plays like: Dayne Beams
A player whose teammates desperately want the ball in the hands of, Lachie Weller is slick, polished and has loads of hurt factor. Weller is a brilliant decision maker and a player that goes about it with a certain flair that makes him a bit of an excitement machine. He’s got speed and is a touch flamboyant, yet he is arguably the most well-rounded and refined midfielder in this year’s draft crop. The medium-sized midfielder wins his own ball on the inside, and can hurt the opposition on the outside just as easily. In particular, I rate his desperation to move the ball on, often arching his back and finding space to zip past opponents and offer some pizzazz in front of goal. He’s got some features of his game that go unnoticed to the regular fan, namely his work ethic and gut running, whilst his transition running rates within among the best in an AFL sense. He pushes behind the ball and likes to get his hands dirty in defence, but he’ll just as quickly be involved in a link of handballs and kicking goals on the counter.
Why? The Tigers are looking for more polish on the outside and with Duggan potentially gone at this selection, Richmond will have a headache in choosing between other likely types such as a Corey Ellis and Paul Ahern. Ultimately, it is Weller’s all-round game and consistency which proves too good to pass up.
In the mix: Peter Wright, Liam Duggan, Nakia Cockatoo, Corey Ellis, Paul Ahern, Sam Durdin.
Full phantom draft" http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-6-0/
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I'm starting to like the look of Ellis guys why don't ppl want him at 12.
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One Ellis is enough
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One Ellis is enough
Agreed ;)
More than enough....although he did run second in an intra club time trial.
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It seems the latest news is Duggan will most likely be gone before our pick.
Paige Cardona’s Phantom Draft: 6.0
Paige Cardona
boundforglorynews.com
17 November, 2014
We’re now under two weeks from the National Draft, and as such my monthly phantom drafts throughout 2014 are almost coming to an end. This is my final, full four-round phantom draft for 2014, with one more of the first round coming the week of the National Draft.
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank in particular Brett Anderson, Emma Quayle and Terry Wallace who have been great mentors and industry experts who’ve allowed me to bounce ideas, thoughts and opinions off them, whilst also guiding me and giving me invaluable feedback throughout the year. This has enabled me to deliver such frequent and in depth draft analysis in 2014.
Without further ado, here is edition 6.0.
1. Petracca (St K)
2. Brayshaw (Melb)
3. McCartin (Melb)
4. Pickett (GWS)
5. Laverde (Coll)
6. Lever (GWS)
7. Goddard (GWS)
8. Duggan (GC)
9. Moore (Coll)
10. De Goey (Geel)
11. Cockatoo (WCE)
12. Weller (Rich)
Pick 12: Richmond – Lachie Weller
Position: Midfielder
Height: 181 cm, Weight: 71 kg, DOB: 23/02/1996
Club: Southport
Projected draft range: 6-15
Plays like: Dayne Beams
A player whose teammates desperately want the ball in the hands of, Lachie Weller is slick, polished and has loads of hurt factor. Weller is a brilliant decision maker and a player that goes about it with a certain flair that makes him a bit of an excitement machine. He’s got speed and is a touch flamboyant, yet he is arguably the most well-rounded and refined midfielder in this year’s draft crop. The medium-sized midfielder wins his own ball on the inside, and can hurt the opposition on the outside just as easily. In particular, I rate his desperation to move the ball on, often arching his back and finding space to zip past opponents and offer some pizzazz in front of goal. He’s got some features of his game that go unnoticed to the regular fan, namely his work ethic and gut running, whilst his transition running rates within among the best in an AFL sense. He pushes behind the ball and likes to get his hands dirty in defence, but he’ll just as quickly be involved in a link of handballs and kicking goals on the counter.
Why? The Tigers are looking for more polish on the outside and with Duggan potentially gone at this selection, Richmond will have a headache in choosing between other likely types such as a Corey Ellis and Paul Ahern. Ultimately, it is Weller’s all-round game and consistency which proves too good to pass up.
In the mix: Peter Wright, Liam Duggan, Nakia Cockatoo, Corey Ellis, Paul Ahern, Sam Durdin.
Full phantom draft" http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-6-0/
Surely we take Wright if he is available?
Don't really rate Weller
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Surely you would go Ahern or Wright ahead of Ellis or Weller if either was still on the table? Weller could go alright though.
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Surely you'd draft hurn over jon
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The Herald-Sun profile of Ahern doesn't have us in the mix for him.
IN THE MIX: GWS (4/6/7), Collingwood (5), Gold Coast (8/15), Essendon (17)
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/pick-me-paul-ahern-keen-to-work-on-consistency-ahead-of-2014-afl-draft/story-e6frf3e3-1227127319316
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Brett Anderson on twitter:
"Recruiters can't remember another year like this one with so many 1st rounds picks still up in air & #AFLDraft is only nine days away."
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF
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It's one of the most open in years , no 12 could just as easily be no 1 , we re in great hands ... :shh
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saint / melb fans pooing themselves :shh
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It's one of the most open in years , no 12 could just as easily be no 1 , we re in great hands ... :shh
sorry bo but #1 has already gone to sydney imo. that leaves #2 and i reckon he will be a saint.
besides with francis record at 12 we are more likely to end up with another spud.
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More than a bit of Dustin Martin in Cockatoo's style. Kid could be very special.
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One for the conspiracy theorists ...
Francis Jackson, in his interview on the RFC website about Cotchin's drafting back in 2007, made mention of Ken Fletcher (who coached Cotch at PEGS). Corey Ellis is also from PEGS and has also made mention of the influence of Ken Fletcher as his coach.
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It's one of the most open in years , no 12 could just as easily be no 1 , we re in great hands ... :shh
sorry bo but #1 has already gone to sydney imo. that leaves #2 and i reckon he will be a saint.
besides with francis record at 12 we are more likely to end up with another spud.
Yeah he's been awful with early picks. Should stick to the later rounds where he does his best work.
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"Conca Ellis vlastuin are awful"
"We have a chronic shortage of MIDs and everything else"
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the more footage I see of Corey Ellis the more convinced I become that we can not pick him at 12. at best he will be an average player in the AFL. A first round pick needs to be better than that, needs to have more tricks, at AFL Ellis wont have the time he seems to need at tac cup level. im totally against drafting him with pick 12.
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Reece Ellis
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The club is has a record over looking the obvious choice to 'reach' for a seemingly lesser player. Regardless of the 'beet available' mantra
Jon v hurn
Heppel v conca
Some time it works. I don't like it
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"Conca Ellis vlastuin are awful"
"We have a chronic shortage of MIDs and everything else"
Conca was a mistake and is a very average footballer. I don't even have him in my best 18.
Ellis I hate, but he has improved. Think he will be a Grigg type his whole career. Gets a lot of footy but doesn't really hurt you.
But IMO Valustuin will be very good for us. I wasn't that wrapped when we drafted him but I'm happy now. I see things in him that make me confident he will be a valuable player for the club. A solid B grader at his best which is a pretty good result.
I really hope FJ gets a bit more adventures with his selection this year. The last 3 have been REALLY safe.
Leverde for me if he is still around, Wright next if he is still there, but if not I would still be happy with Duggan.
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Brett Anderson on SEN yesterday:
Tigers are in a really good position. There's going to be players available at pick 12 they didn't expect to be there.
Anyone out of ...
Duggan - who's also in the mix at Gold Coast at 8.
Laverde - a slight chance he could slip down, who has been their one since mid-year.
Lever - is the other one they will find hard to overlook if he's still there.
Expected selections:
1. GWS - Petracca
2. Melb - McCartin
3. Melb - Brayshaw
4. GWS - Pickett
5. Coll - De Goey/Laverde
6. GWS - Goddard
7. GWS - Lever or a small.
https://soundcloud.com/sen1116/the-run-home-draft-expert-brett-anderson-1
Jake Lever won't be heading to Dees at pick 3. Would have loved them to take him, but now GWS/Geel/Rich seem likely destinations.
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/status/534992755311665152
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I just hate how people in the papers say well Richmond are targeting these 3 players how do they no who lets this out of the bag and alerts other teams.... just get the best kid available and hope he can slot straight in... as im still unsure on ben lennon and how long it will take him to progress to the player they thought he would be :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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I just hate how people in the papers say well Richmond are targeting these 3 players how do they no who lets this out of the bag and alerts other teams.... just get the best kid available and hope he can slot straight in... as im still unsure on ben lennon and how long it will take him to progress to the player they thought he would be :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
They usually get it from the players themselves. They ask them who has talked to them......
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I just hate how people in the papers say well Richmond are targeting these 3 players how do they no who lets this out of the bag and alerts other teams.... just get the best kid available and hope he can slot straight in... as im still unsure on ben lennon and how long it will take him to progress to the player they thought he would be :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Usually a couple of days before the draft its on the website
:facepalm
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All for our convenience
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I just hate how people in the papers say well Richmond are targeting these 3 players how do they no who lets this out of the bag and alerts other teams.... just get the best kid available and hope he can slot straight in... as im still unsure on ben lennon and how long it will take him to progress to the player they thought he would be :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
They usually get it from the players themselves. They ask them who has talked to them......
The clubs share info as well. No about what they will be doing in the draft obviously but they tell journos who they expect other clubs will take. So the journo talks to every club to find out what other clubs are doing and puts the info he/she gets all together.
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AFL draft day could see Collingwood surprise while Geelong eye of Peter Wright
Sam Landsberger
Herald-Sun
November 20, 2014
COLLINGWOOD is considering pulling the first major draft surprise with a Jack Gunston-type forward firming as its prized No.5 pick in next Thursday’s national draft.
The Magpies had been strongly linked to big, attacking midfielder Jayden Laverde, but Kyle Langford is in the frame to add a point of difference in attack.
It is understood the Pies visited Langford on Tuesday to complement extensive background work completed on the versatile half-forward, who would be their fourth top-10 pick in two years.
While a handful of prospects remain in contention, Langford would offer another dimension and provide relief for Travis Cloke.
Most clubs have Langford lower on their draft boards, but the Pies see huge upside in the raw 17-year-old, who boasts supreme agility and booted 11 goals in the first three TAC Cup rounds.
At 190cm some recruiters believe Langford could blossom as a tall midfielder, while his sharp rise into top-10 contention and style resembles Marcus Bontempelli.
Geelong was set to meet 203cm ruckman/forward Peter Wright this week and is favoured to call the 2014 slider’s name at pick 10.
The Herald Sun revealed last week that Wright could fall as low as Essendon (17) with clubs choosing outside the top 10 conducting late research in the belief he could still be available.
Wright would be the third 200cm player added to the Cats’ list this off-season, while they are also considering goalkicking midfielder Jordan De Goey.
Richmond’s hopes of securing classy wingman Liam Duggan are diminishing with Gold Coast (No.8) and West Coast (11) circling.
But the Tigers could turn to his Western Jets teammate Corey Ellis at pick 12, liking his contested work.
The Eagles could take the punt of the first round and pluck the flashy Nakia Cockatoo despite a nasty foot fracture limiting his output this year.
Cockatoo was best-afield in the AFL Grand Final curtain-raiser and bolted further up the charts with a dominant draft combine.
Greater Western Sydney looks set to package up speed machine Jarrod Pickett, key defender Hugh Goddard and the freakishly talented Paul Ahern with its three top-seven selections, alongside inside midfielder Jack Steele (pick 24).
The Suns — who are also fans of Langford — would secure Pickett if he slipped past the Giants and Pies.
Western Bulldogs want flexible defender Ed Vickers-Willis with their first pick (26) and Carlton is eyeing Swan Districts bolter and ex-volleyballer Blaine Boekhorst.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/afl-draft-day-could-see-collingwood-surprise-while-geelong-eye-of-peter-wright/story-fnect155-1227129537246
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I just hate how people in the papers say well Richmond are targeting these 3 players how do they no who lets this out of the bag and alerts other teams.... just get the best kid available and hope he can slot straight in... as im still unsure on ben lennon and how long it will take him to progress to the player they thought he would be :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
They usually get it from the players themselves. They ask them who has talked to them......
The clubs share info as well. No about what they will be doing in the draft obviously but they tell journos who they expect other clubs will take. So the journo talks to every club to find out what other clubs are doing and puts the info he/she gets all together.
Don't forget the agents, always pumping up their players.
Really excited about our draft coverage this year, we've got a special behind the scenes documentary coming, and doing something on draft night no club has ever done before. :shh
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Usually a couple of days before the draft its on the website :facepalm
On the day...get it right ;)
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I just hate how people in the papers say well Richmond are targeting these 3 players how do they no who lets this out of the bag and alerts other teams.... just get the best kid available and hope he can slot straight in... as im still unsure on ben lennon and how long it will take him to progress to the player they thought he would be :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
They usually get it from the players themselves. They ask them who has talked to them......
The clubs share info as well. No about what they will be doing in the draft obviously but they tell journos who they expect other clubs will take. So the journo talks to every club to find out what other clubs are doing and puts the info he/she gets all together.
Don't forget the agents, always pumping up their players.
Really excited about our draft coverage this year, we've got a special behind the scenes documentary coming, and doing something on draft night no club has ever done before. :shh
Awesome job mate. Love how we are killing it in the access all areas online space
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Really excited about our draft coverage this year, we've got a special behind the scenes documentary coming, and doing something on draft night no club has ever done before. :shh
Not sure Richmond knows this but drafting good players outside the first round has been done before
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Will be disappointed with Ellis
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Usually a couple of days before the draft its on the website :facepalm
On the day...get it right ;)
Yeah on the day
BEFORE the god dam draft
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Chooka - "Richmond's pick #12 is getting intriguing. Is it out of Duggan, Weller and Ellis? Smokey Durdin?"
Brett Anderson - "I'd say its out of Laverde, Ellis, Ahern, Duggan. But if Lever was there is would be an interesting decision."
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/status/535331567745257472
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Lever? :pray :pray :pray
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@EsCargot23 - "Corey Ellis seems to split fans and experts about where he belongs in the top 30. What's your opinion of him? #PelchenTakeover"
Chris Pelchen -"Corey is very unlikely to get past Richmond at pick 12. He is an outstanding kick and while cruisey, has genuine talent."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-20/talk-to-pelchen
Going by Pelchen's live chat today, we will overlook Weller & Ahern for Ellis.
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Lever? :pray :pray :pray
Not if Corey Ellis is still on the table
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If Jake Lever plays in 2014 he would be a top 3 selection.
If he slides take him
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Chooka - "Richmond's pick #12 is getting intriguing. Is it out of Duggan, Weller and Ellis? Smokey Durdin?"
Brett Anderson - "I'd say its out of Laverde, Ellis, Ahern, Duggan. But if Lever was there is would be an interesting decision."
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/status/535331567745257472
Have a good feeling Leverde may slide to us :whistle
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Then lever goes #13 ..
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Francis Jackson says this draft is like the 2010 (Conca) draft. Clubs and their recruiters with "polarised" views on the various draftees.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-11-20/recruitment-zone-draft-recall-conca
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Francis Jackson says this draft is like the 2010 (Conca) draft. Clubs and their recruiters with "polarised" views on the various draftees.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-11-20/recruitment-zone-draft-recall-conca
Getting us ready for a left field dud again then. I hope he takes Heppell this time !
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Damien M - "Hi Cal. I don't believe Richmond would overlook the class of Weller if he is available at 12. Surely if Weller is on the board the Tigers go Weller and not Corey Ellis?"
Callum Twomey - "Damien, you must have missed Corey Ellis this year because he is very classy too."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-21/chat-live-with-draft-expert-cal-twomey
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Article on the AFL website about Laverde, Ahern and Ellis' junior footy days at Keilor ....
Ellis, who was nicknamed the 'Rolls Royce' around the club.
They played in a flag that season, which was one of eight in a row for Ellis at Keilor. In four of those, Ellis was named best on ground.
"Corey's a quiet kid, but he stood out early with his left and right foot disposal, and he was a notch above the rest," said Paul White, who coached the first-round prospect in the under-12s.
"He just floats across the ground. I was coach, but my aunty could have coached those kids."
Ellis was the early standout: he played for Victoria as an under-12 and looked the most likely player to make the grade.
Full article at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-21/keilors-draft-raiders
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Must admit, I do like the fact he's a dual sided player - don't have enough of them. Still reckon there'll be better at our pick than him though.
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It's Collingwood's pick that has everyone guessing ...
Plenty of ducks and drakes being played. Pies will pick between De Goey/Laverde/Langford. GWS might take Ahern but not certain.
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/with_replies
Wouldn't count Lachie Weller out of the mix for Pies' pick 5. Classy midfielder, has pace, kicks goals. Very good addition to any midfield.
Busy week for Peter Wright. Plenty of club interviews, a medical on Tuesday & today private AFL fitness testing. Ran 3.1 for the 20m.
https://twitter.com/AFL_CalTwomey/with_replies
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Ellis reminds me off Simon Black from the lions plays same style.
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From Emma Quayle's article in the Age today:
The Giants have been linked most strongly to four players at their picks: Jarrod Pickett, Hugh Goddard, Jordan De Goey and Paul Ahern.
Collingwood have been linked to several, as the Pies always are. Lachie Weller, Jayden Laverde, De Goey and Ahern all seem right in their mix and they have visited Pickett and Kyle Langford in the past week. If they don't choose Laverde, it will be fascinating to see how far down the order he gets, and he may go outside the top 10. If they don't pick Langford, he could be on his way to the Gold Coast, Fremantle or Adelaide.
Liam Duggan is one of the most popular players, and seemingly in the mix from pick five onwards.
Nakia Cockatoo is one of the most mysterious prospects, given his very late, one-game burst of highly exciting form that followed 18 months of injury. He seems around the mark for a couple of clubs picking at the edge of the top 10, but might drop a little lower if he ends up being the second option for them all, with North Melbourne, Carlton and Essendon all chances.
Jarrod Garlett has a lot of fans in the teens and has been linked strongly to Gold Coast and the Bombers.
Corey Ellis will slot in somewhere there too - I'd expect Richmond to look strongly at him, Duggan and Weller
- while Lever and the versatile Caleb Marchbank and Sam Durdin will come into the mix around the edge of the top 10, for clubs such as Geelong, West Coast, the Dockers and Crows.
Durdin is possibly the player who divides clubs most this year.
Peter Wright has also become quite intriguing, and the tall forward could also go anywhere from the Giants' picks to outside the top 10. Pretty much every club picking from 8-17 has caught up with him in the past week, so they all have a decision to make on the point at which he becomes too good to leave sitting there.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/top-draft-slot-still-up-for-grabs-but-giants-hold-the-keys-to-firstround-order-20141121-11rbuh.html
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Love to grab Langford. Pace, height, skill. Plays like Bomtempelli, models his game on Gunston could end up like Richo circa 2008. We should be all over him like Bill Cosby on a white woman.
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Us and the Pies are the most keen on Weller according to the Herald-Sun.
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THURSDAY night’s AFL national draft on the Gold Coast was always going to be a small but important step on a long football journey for Lachie Weller.
Ever since he could walk and kick around a soft cloth black-and-gold Richmond footy, this has been his destiny.
Thirteen clubs interviewed him at the recent AFL Draft Combine in Melbourne with the likes of Richmond and Collingwood believed to be the keenest on Weller who had the third lowest skinfold results among the draft hopefuls.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2014-lachie-weller-ready-to-follow-in-brothers-footsteps-and-play-at-elite-level/story-fnelctok-1227131697774
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@burg11 - "Tigers chances of getting Duggan still strong or maybe Weller?"
Brett Anderson - "Duggan I think will be gone. Firming to be Ellis."
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/status/536318221217845249
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@Nickolachi - "Hey Cal, chances of Lachie Weller sliding to Essendon..?"
Callum Twomey - "it's certainly possible. I can't say what the chances are as I think he's in mix for Pies, Eagles, Tiges, GC & North"
https://twitter.com/AFL_CalTwomey/status/536047602261700608
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Geez Ellis would be a disappointment If you believe what you read ....after all the expectation of landing a real gem .....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4tAGSvu4ew
The pace in the last few highlights is what we are missing.
We need it far more than this….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ouL23fAa4
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Sam Landsberger and Jay Clark's phantom draft on the Herald-Sun website.
They have Ahern going to Richmond at pick 12.
AFL Phantom Draft 2014: Jay Clark and Sam Landsberger predict who your club will pick
Sam Landsberger and Jay Clark
Herald Sun
November 23, 2014 7:00PM
THERE’S just a few sleeps until all 18 clubs meet on the Gold Coast for the 2014 AFL Draft.
Draft experts Jay Clark and Sam Landsberger have been making calls and speaking to those in the know ahead of Thursday night’s draft meeting.
The final order in which players will be selected is likely to continue to evolve in the coming days, so stay tuned right here as our gurus update this list with the latest movers and sliders in the lead up to one of footy’s biggest nights.
But here’s the latest info on how the first 20 picks are shaping ahead of Thursday night’s AFL draft:
1. ST KILDA Christian Petracca
2. MELBOURNE Angus Brayshaw
3. MELBOURNE Patrick McCartin
4. GWS GIANTS Jarrod Pickett
5. COLLINGWOOD Jayden Laverde
6. GWS GIANTS Jordan De Goey
7. GWS GIANTS Hugh Goddard
8. GOLD COAST Liam Duggan
9. COLLINGWOOD Darcy Moore
10. GEELONG Peter Wright
11. WEST COAST Lachie Weller
12. RICHMOND Paul Ahern (Calder Cannons)
H: 181cm W: 77kg
Midfielder/half forward
For all the knocks on Ahern’s consistency, some recruiters think he could wind up close to the best of the crop. The half-forward glides across the field, uses the ball well and creates goals.
The twist: Tigers will grow their band of midfielders here and it’s a nice place to pick off one of the sliders in Ahern or Duggan. Also thinking long and hard on Corey Ellis.
13. FREMANTLE Sam Durdin
14. ADELAIDE Jake Lever
15. GOLD COAST Kyle Langford
16. NORTH MELB. Nakia Cockatoo
17. ESSENDON Jarrod Garlett
18. SYDNEY Isaac Heeney
19. CARLTON Caleb Marchbank
20. ESSENDON Corey Ellis
http://m.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/afl-phantom-draft-2014-jay-clark-and-sam-landsberger-predict-who-your-club-will-pick/story-e6frf3e3-1227132256899
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List of invitees to Thursday's National Draft on the Gold Coast:
Petracca, McCartin, Brayshaw, Pickett, Laverde, De Goey, Ahern, Langford, Lever, Durdin, Goddard, Marchbank, Wright, Weller, Duggan (and presumably Moore).
They're just covering all their bases.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/draft-rumours.1082220/page-7#post-36186380
Interestingly, no Ellis on that list.
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List of invitees to Thursday's National Draft on the Gold Coast:
Petracca, McCartin, Brayshaw, Pickett, Laverde, De Goey, Ahern, Langford, Lever, Durdin, Goddard, Marchbank, Wright, Weller, Duggan (and presumably Moore).
They're just covering all their bases.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/draft-rumours.1082220/page-7#post-36186380
Interestingly, no Ellis on that list.
Two players have received late invitations to this week's draft on the Gold Coast, raising the potential for them to be chosen with top-10 selections.
Northern Knights forward Kyle Langford and West Adelaide tall Sam Durdin have both been asked to attend the draft, after another handful of players were earlier invited.
Christian Petracca and Paddy McCartin, contenders for St Kilda's No.1 pick, will attend, along with midfield prospects Angus Brayshaw, Jarrod Pickett, Jordan De Goey, Paul Ahern, Jayden Laverde, Liam Duggan and Lachie Weller.
Key forward Peter Wright and defensive prospects Hugh Goddard, Jake Lever and Caleb Marchbank have also been invited to the draft, to be held at the Gold Coast convention centre on Thursday night.
Collingwood's father-son pick Darcy Moore will also attend, along with Isaac Heeney, already secured by Sydney with pick 18.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/late-invitations-increases-draft-intrigue-20141123-11s9va.html
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Champion Data has Weller ranked 9th, Ellis at 11, Ahern at 13 and Duggan at 23.
AFL Draft: Champion Data rates its top 30 prospects ahead of Thursday’s national draft
Herald-Sun
November 24, 2014
THE AFL’s official number cruncher, Champion Data, selects the top 30 players from across the country based on their statistical performances in recent years.
The stats guru placed Rising Star winner Lewy Taylor at No.6 last year, 22 picks earlier than his name was called.
Previously, they have identified Rory Sloane and Tom Rockliff as stars of the future before watching them fall down the order.
If it was picking from a schoolyard, this is how Thursday’s national draft order would look.
Champion Data’s rankings includes only those players who appeared at the national under-18 championships.
1. CHRISTIAN PETRACCA (186cm midfielder)
2. PADDY McCARTIN (194cm key forward)
3. ISAAC HEENEY (185cm midfielder)
4. ANGUS BRAYSHAW (187cm inside midfielder)
5. PETER WRIGHT (203cm ruck/key forward)
6. JAKE LEVER (193cm key defender)
7. JARROD PICKETT (177cm outside midfielder)
8. DARCY MOORE (199cm swingman)
9. LACHIE WELLER (181cm midfielder)
Skilful midfielder. Rated the No.1 kick at the national carnival, recording a kick rating of +34 per cent.
WE SAY: Another classy midfielder jammed in the first-round pack. Would be perfect for the Blues if he lasts until No.19.
10. HUGH GODDARD (196cm key defender)
11. COREY ELLIS (184cm midfielder)
Inside midfielder who averaged 22 disposals, five clearances and four inside 50s for Western Jets with half his possessions contested.
WE SAY: Could find a home at the Tigers at No.12 while the Saints would love him to slip past Essendon and North Melbourne.
12. JORDAN DE GOEY (187cm midfielder)
13. PAUL AHERN (181cm midfield/half-forward)
Classy player who averaged the fourth most disposals at the national championships of any forward and ranked above average for goals, score assists and score involvements.
WE SAY: Could be the most talented in the pool but can he put it on show consistently? Giants lurking.
14. JACK STEELE (188cm inside midfielder)
15. JAYDEN LAVERDE (189cm midfielder)
16. CALEB DANIEL (167cm forward)
17. JACK LONIE (174cm goalsneak)
18. CLEM SMITH (177cm midfielder)
19. BRAYDEN MAYNARD (187cm midfielder)
20. NAKIA COCKATOO (186cm midfielder)
21. CALEB MARCHBANK (193cm key defender)
22. JOSH McGUINESS (189cm defender)
23. LIAM DUGGAN (183cm midfielder)
A clean ball user who hits the scoreboard, Duggan was one of only 11 TAC Cup players to average more than one goal and 20 disposals.
WE SAY: Clubs have the silky midfielder much higher with Richmond (pick 12) praying Gold Coast (8) and West Coast (11) don’t pounce.
24. TOM LAMB (193cm utility)
25. CONNOR BLAKELY (189cm inside midfielder)
26. HARRISON WIGG (178cm defender)
27. TYLER KEITEL (194cm swingman)
28. ED VICKERS-WILLIS (190cm utility)
29. TOUK MILLER (177cm inside midfielder)
30. JOSH FOX (197cm ruckman)
http://www.news.com.au/national/afl-draft-champion-data-rates-its-top-30-prospects-ahead-of-thursdays-national-draft/story-e6frfkp9-1227132202198
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Get Duggan
(http://www.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesD/duggan_hacksaw.jpg)
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Get Duggan
(http://www.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesD/duggan_hacksaw.jpg)
Old Hacksaw Jim Duggan! :lol
Ps Dooks did you see the Cocka highlights I put up at the top of the page? Looks like a young Patrick Dangerfield. He will be a powerful unit this kid.
Get Cocka!!!!!! :gotigers
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De goey
yes pls
Champion Data has Weller ranked 9th, Ellis at 11, Ahern at 13 and Duggan at 23.
AFL Draft: Champion Data rates its top 30 prospects ahead of Thursday’s national draft
Herald-Sun
November 24, 2014
THE AFL’s official number cruncher, Champion Data, selects the top 30 players from across the country based on their statistical performances in recent years.
The stats guru placed Rising Star winner Lewy Taylor at No.6 last year, 22 picks earlier than his name was called.
Previously, they have identified Rory Sloane and Tom Rockliff as stars of the future before watching them fall down the order.
If it was picking from a schoolyard, this is how Thursday’s national draft order would look.
Champion Data’s rankings includes only those players who appeared at the national under-18 championships.
1. CHRISTIAN PETRACCA (186cm midfielder)
2. PADDY McCARTIN (194cm key forward)
3. ISAAC HEENEY (185cm midfielder)
4. ANGUS BRAYSHAW (187cm inside midfielder)
5. PETER WRIGHT (203cm ruck/key forward)
6. JAKE LEVER (193cm key defender)
7. JARROD PICKETT (177cm outside midfielder)
8. DARCY MOORE (199cm swingman)
9. LACHIE WELLER (181cm midfielder)
Skilful midfielder. Rated the No.1 kick at the national carnival, recording a kick rating of +34 per cent.
WE SAY: Another classy midfielder jammed in the first-round pack. Would be perfect for the Blues if he lasts until No.19.
10. HUGH GODDARD (196cm key defender)
11. COREY ELLIS (184cm midfielder)
Inside midfielder who averaged 22 disposals, five clearances and four inside 50s for Western Jets with half his possessions contested.
WE SAY: Could find a home at the Tigers at No.12 while the Saints would love him to slip past Essendon and North Melbourne.
12. JORDAN DE GOEY (187cm midfielder)
13. PAUL AHERN (181cm midfield/half-forward)
Classy player who averaged the fourth most disposals at the national championships of any forward and ranked above average for goals, score assists and score involvements.
WE SAY: Could be the most talented in the pool but can he put it on show consistently? Giants lurking.
14. JACK STEELE (188cm inside midfielder)
15. JAYDEN LAVERDE (189cm midfielder)
16. CALEB DANIEL (167cm forward)
17. JACK LONIE (174cm goalsneak)
18. CLEM SMITH (177cm midfielder)
19. BRAYDEN MAYNARD (187cm midfielder)
20. NAKIA COCKATOO (186cm midfielder)
21. CALEB MARCHBANK (193cm key defender)
22. JOSH McGUINESS (189cm defender)
23. LIAM DUGGAN (183cm midfielder)
A clean ball user who hits the scoreboard, Duggan was one of only 11 TAC Cup players to average more than one goal and 20 disposals.
WE SAY: Clubs have the silky midfielder much higher with Richmond (pick 12) praying Gold Coast (8) and West Coast (11) don’t pounce.
24. TOM LAMB (193cm utility)
25. CONNOR BLAKELY (189cm inside midfielder)
26. HARRISON WIGG (178cm defender)
27. TYLER KEITEL (194cm swingman)
28. ED VICKERS-WILLIS (190cm utility)
29. TOUK MILLER (177cm inside midfielder)
30. JOSH FOX (197cm ruckman)
http://www.news.com.au/national/afl-draft-champion-data-rates-its-top-30-prospects-ahead-of-thursdays-national-draft/story-e6frfkp9-1227132202198
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Apparently Ellis' kicking efficiency in the TAC Cup was only 49%. Definitely an Francis "footskills will be a priority from now on" Jackson special.
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Apparently Ellis' kicking efficiency in the TAC Cup was only 49%. Definitely an Francis "footskills will be a priority from now on" Jackson special.
As I said in a previous post, I think he needs a lot of time to use the footy properly by foot. He isn't going to find time at AFL level. Of the midfielders we have been linked with for pick 12 I have Ellis as the last option. Just hoping that we don't reach again but Ihave concerns that's whats gonna happen
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Apparently Ellis' kicking efficiency in the TAC Cup was only 49%. Definitely an Francis "footskills will be a priority from now on" Jackson special.
As I said in a previous post, I think he needs a lot of time to use the footy properly by foot. He isn't going to find time at AFL level. Of the midfielders we have been linked with for pick 12 I have Ellis as the last option. Just hoping that we don't reach again but Ihave concerns that's whats gonna happen
He was carrying a foot injury for much of the year. Went at ~75% efficiency in 2013.
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Get Duggan
(http://www.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesD/duggan_hacksaw.jpg)
Old Hacksaw Jim Duggan! :lol
Ps Dooks did you see the Cocka highlights I put up at the top of the page? Looks like a young Patrick Dangerfield. He will be a powerful unit this kid.
Get Cocka!!!!!! :gotigers
Whoa! :shh
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I want Weller.
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Apparently Ellis' kicking efficiency in the TAC Cup was only 49%. Definitely an Francis "footskills will be a priority from now on" Jackson special.
As I said in a previous post, I think he needs a lot of time to use the footy properly by foot. He isn't going to find time at AFL level. Of the midfielders we have been linked with for pick 12 I have Ellis as the last option. Just hoping that we don't reach again but Ihave concerns that's whats gonna happen
He was carrying a foot injury for much of the year. Went at ~75% efficiency in 2013.
This.
"Ellis' foot injury is not ideal, particularly given the proper diagnosis wasn't found until later on, but hopefully it doesn't linger."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-13/meet-corey-ellis
Ellis' TAC Cup kicking stats:
2014
KE 49
KIE 51
Eff% 49.0
2013
KE 89
KIE 35
Eff% 71.8
http://sportingpulse.com/nfnn/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=196040009&client=1-118-10457-253878-18717721&ocompID=253878
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Injury prone plodder with a degentrstive foot problem that can't kick? Fabulous
Unless he goes @ 33 ....
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It'd be oh so typically Richmond to dodge the Trengove bullet only to then use the pick on a kid with a similar issue.
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The stats don't l are there to see and Ellis is in the top half in most.
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Apparently Ellis' kicking efficiency in the TAC Cup was only 49%. Definitely an Francis "footskills will be a priority from now on" Jackson special.
As I said in a previous post, I think he needs a lot of time to use the footy properly by foot. He isn't going to find time at AFL level. Of the midfielders we have been linked with for pick 12 I have Ellis as the last option. Just hoping that we don't reach again but Ihave concerns that's whats gonna happen
He was carrying a foot injury for much of the year. Went at ~75% efficiency in 2013.
the injury alone should mean we overlook him at 12. Way too much risk if he had a foot injury and couldn't get over it. 49% efficiency is shocking at TAC Cup level.
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is the draft on Foxtel this year? and what time is it?
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is the draft on Foxtel this year? and what time is it?
have a bloody look ya lazy b******
yes & an 1830 start :)
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is the draft on Foxtel this year? and what time is it?
have a bloody look ya lazy b******
yes & an 1830 start :)
Ramps isn't lazy! The poor guy is usually recovering from young doctors sticking needles into him and missing veins on a regular basis! >:(
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Ps Dooks did you see the Cocka highlights I put up at the top of the page? Looks like a young Patrick Dangerfield. He will be a powerful unit this kid.
Get Cocka!!!!!! :gotigers
the ability to burst from congestion with the footy the way he does in those highlights is priceless, if he can take it to AFL level.
talking to a recruiting scout for one of the more successful clubs, he said that according to their recruiters Nakia ticks all the boxes. he was coy about whether he believed he would get to their first pick and if they would use it on him. W Coast are supposedly very interested.
He doesnt believe that Nakia is on our radar,though, as there are three others in our sights. whether this is inside info or something he picked up from the media i am unsure.
as an aside, he shares the view of many that Jackson likes to "reach" in some vain attempt to pull off some master stoke of recruiting.
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as an aside, he shares the view of many that Jackson likes to "reach" in some vain attempt to pull off some master stoke of recruiting.
Ahh, mentored by that old master Greg Miller (who recruited Carey and Longmire if you didn't know).
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as an aside, he shares the view of many that Jackson likes to "reach" in some vain attempt to pull off some master stoke of recruiting.
Why invest in laying solid foundations for the club when ones ego is at stake.
Should stick the best available mantra up the backside
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hmm id take blakeley in front of ellis if im honest. but hey im in wa.
id be interested in lamb at 12 as well. that may be a reach and a bit of a risk.
surely we are not locked and loaded like other yrs. surely if durdin goddard or lever was still there we would seriously consider taking one of them. we do need talls as well as mids. if we are chasing an inside mid which has been mentioned i reckon blakeley is as good as any of them.
if we are to take a mid im hoping one of laverde or de goey slips.
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is the draft on Foxtel this year? and what time is it?
have a bloody look ya lazy b******
yes & an 1830 start :)
thanx for the info ;D
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is the draft on Foxtel this year? and what time is it?
have a bloody look ya lazy b******
yes & an 1830 start :)
Ramps isn't lazy! The poor guy is usually recovering from young doctors sticking needles into him and missing veins on a regular basis! >:(
they been pretty good lately :o
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From Emma Quayle's live chat this arvo ...
Sean - "Who do you think would be an ideal player for Richmond to target in this years draft?"
Emma Quayle - "Hi Sean. I think they should grab Peter Wright if he's there, simply because it's really hard to find those sort of players. But their midfield could do with some continued boosting and they're going to have the choice of some very good players at pick 12. Liam Duggan, Lachie Weller, Corey Ellis are 3 I think would be in the mix there, and they could consider Jayden Laverde if he gets through."
Matthew - "Any chance of Richmond taking a decent young aboriginal player this year? With centre & dream time, it's about time?"
Emma Quayle - "There are some very good indigenous kids in this year's draft. Jarrod Pickett looks like being a top 10 pick, and Paul Ahern, Nakia Cockatoo and Jarrod Garlett will be up there too. Clem Smith is another good player to look out for and I'm hoping Francis Watson gets a chance. Not sure whether any of these boys will end up at the Tigers though!"
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/trading-and-drafting/2014-afl-draft-chat-live-with-emma-quayle-20141125-11t95x.touch.html
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Not Richmond, but whispers are emerging that the Saints have changed their mind and will instead go for key position forward Patty McCartin at pick 1.
http://www.sen.com.au/news/have-the-saints-changed-their-mind
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Laverde :thumbsup
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Laverde :thumbsup
That will make Melbourne's picks very interesting to see if they grab two mids. Surely they would take CP & AB??
Or does one of them drop to GWS at 4 if Melbourne want a tall like Lever or Wright??
Reckon we are firming for Laverde at 12
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Laverde :thumbsup
That will make Melbourne's picks very interesting to see if they grab two mids. Surely they would take CP & AB??
Or does one of them drop to GWS at 4 if Melbourne want a tall like Lever or Wright??
Reckon we are firming for Laverde at 12
Laverde would be a coup for us I reckon. Early on he was a favorite of a lot of our supporters but then everyone assumed he would be a top 5 or 6 pick. Hopefully he is still their at our pick.
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Laverde :thumbsup
That will make Melbourne's picks very interesting to see if they grab two mids. Surely they would take CP & AB??
Or does one of them drop to GWS at 4 if Melbourne want a tall like Lever or Wright??
Reckon we are firming for Laverde at 12
Laverde would be a coup for us I reckon. Early on he was a favorite of a lot of our supporters but then everyone assumed he would be a top 5 or 6 pick. Hopefully he is still their at our pick.
Hackson will probably still take Ellis....
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Callum Twomey in his final phantom draft on the AFL website has us taking Corey Ellis ahead of Laverde and Weller. He also has Ahern going at 6 and Duggan at 11.
The Phantom Draft with Callum Twomey
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
November 25, 2014 6:58 PM
AFL.com.au's draft guru Callum Twomey reveals his top 30 ahead of Thursday's NAB AFL Draft.
1. ST KILDA - PADDY McCARTIN – 19/4/96, 193cm, 95kg, Geelong Falcons
The most imposing key forward in the draft, McCartin carries a presence like all the best power goalkickers. His game is based around his marking: he uses his size to crash packs and take contested grabs, and his smarts and breakaway speed to get on the lead and find space. Some injuries got in the way of him putting together a more productive campaign, but in the games McCartin played he kicked goals and accumulated plenty of shots. He'll give his all every time the ball's kicked to him, and would offer long-term back up to the Saints' forward line with Nick Riewoldt nearing the end of his glittering career. McCartin has probably deserved more discussion as a possible No.1 pick through the year, because he's got some special traits.
If not him? It's been a line-ball call (and a really hard one) for the Saints the whole way. If not McCartin, the Saints will go with star midfielder Christian Petracca.
2. MELBOURNE - ANGUS BRAYSHAW – 9/1/96, 187cm, 86kg, Sandringham Dragons
Melbourne has long been linked to him, and with good reason. The season couldn't have gone much better for Brayshaw, who established himself as a likely top-five pick very early and held his form for the remainder of the year. Brayshaw is a game-changer who wins his own possessions, breaks away from stoppages, kicks well on both feet and has a relentless attitude. He's tough, throws himself at the ball and does everything for his team. Brayshaw has just as much going for him as any other midfielder available.
If not him? The Dees might push Brayshaw down to pick three and use pick two on Christian Petracca, or vice versa. But if the Saints go with Petracca, clearly Paddy McCartin is there to take at two or three.
3. MELBOURNE - CHRISTIAN PETRACCA – 4/1/96, 186cm, 92kg, Eastern Ranges
The damaging and explosive Petracca pushed himself up to the top end of the draft with an outstanding season. He started the season as a half-forward with question marks on his running, but by the end of the year had proven his ability to move into the midfield and retain his match-winning talents near goal. Petracca is a brute: he barges through people, is dominant in the air, and will be expecting to play plenty of AFL next season. He is desperate to be a great player at the top level and Melbourne would love to introduce him to its midfield mix next season.
If not him? They could swap Angus Brayshaw to pick three and push Petracca up a place. Either way the end result would be the same. Defender Jake Lever the only other consideration.
4. GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY - JARROD PICKETT – 18/8/96, 180cm, 76kg, South Fremantle
With speed, a leap, and a take-me-on attitude, Pickett should excite plenty of crowds in his AFL career. The youngster had an inconsistent season but has brilliant talent, and has worked hard over the past 12 months to improve his endurance and long-distance running to add to his burst-away moments. The Giants have kept tabs with Pickett since coach Leon Cameron and the club's recruiters interviewed him in July, and he has no qualms about moving out of Western Australia to follow his football. He's an enthralling player who would add a point of difference to the very talented GWS list.
If not him? Any number of players, but Paul Ahern and Jordan De Goey are most likely.
5. COLLINGWOOD - JORDAN DE GOEY – 15/3/96, 187cm, 82kg, Oakleigh Chargers
The clubs that like De Goey rate him very, very highly – and with good reason. He's a win-the-ball-at-all-costs type of player who loves fighting for it, pushing an opponent out of the way and making it his. But he also lifts when his team needs him, he kicks goals and takes strong overhead marks for his size. With some more development, he has the frame and skills to become a premium midfield option. For the short-term, he'll probably start as a high half-forward.
If not him? The versatile Jayden Laverde has been linked to Collingwood strongly for some time. They like Jarrod Pickett as well, while a tall like Jake Lever isn't out of the question. Kyle Langford has also been strongly linked but it would be a big surprise now.
6. GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY - PAUL AHERN – 1/8/96, 181cm, 77kg, Calder Cannons
Ahern's standout games this season came on the biggest stage, including two best-afield efforts for Vic Metro against Western Australia, and a more-than-solid outing for the Calder Cannons in their TAC Cup Grand Final defeat. The midfielder is crafty, clever and has class: he sets up the play with deft and damaging disposal, but runs and takes the game on. Nearer to goal, he marks well above his head and has the pace to hit a pack and bolt off. If the Giants want some more brilliance, they get it in Ahern.
If not him? Jordan De Goey is a chance, as is ruckman/forward Peter Wright. Caleb Marchbank is also in the mix.
7. GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY - HUGH GODDARD – 24/8/96, 195cm, 92kg, Geelong Falcons
The off-season departures of several young key position players at the Giants means the club is looking for replacements, and could turn to Goddard. The tall defender has been thrown around from position to position over the past two seasons but looks most comfortable in the backline, where he can mark well and compete in the air to spoil or stop opponents. Despite some inconsistencies, he finished his year well for the Geelong Falcons and tested strongly at the NAB AFL Draft Combine.
If not him? They've liked fellow tall defender Caleb Marchbank for some time, and he is a real contender here. It would not be a surprise if they called his name. Peter Wright and Jake Lever are also in with a shot.
8. GOLD COAST - PETER WRIGHT – 8/9/96, 203cm, 102kg, Calder Cannons
It's been an intriguing build-up to the draft for Wright. Having been seen as a possible No.1 choice for much of the year, lately there's been many clubs who believe he might get through to the middle of the first round. He's had a stack of club interviews, a medical and a private fitness assessment for clubs searching for more data. Despite the Suns' interest in Liam Duggan, Wright would be hard to pass. It's not easy finding 203cm forwards who can play in the ruck and have such great skill near goal, too.
If not him? Liam Duggan. The half-back/midfielder has had a great season, is seen as captain material in the future and continues to develop his game. Hard to see the lively Jarrod Pickett getting this far.
9. COLLINGWOOD - DARCY MOORE – 25/1/96, 199m, 93kg, Oakleigh Chargers
For some at Collingwood, Darcy Moore's arrival has been a long time coming. As the son of club great and dual Brownlow medallist Peter, the Pies were always in the box seat to recruit the youngster under the father-son rule. That became official in October, when they matched the Bulldogs' bid at pick five for him. Moore is an athletic key position player who moves extremely well for a player his size. He might take some time, but looms as a long-term option.
If not him? Nobody else. Moore has started training with the Pies, has been given his jumper number (No.30, like his dad), and has already begun his Collingwood career.
10. GEELONG - SAM DURDIN – 6/6/96, 198cm, 87kg, West Adelaide
Durdin's best football has come in the ruck, he has played in the forward line, and looks set to be a key defender at the next level. So, adding that all together, he's a pretty flexible option for a club looking to add a young tall to its list. He's athletic and mobile, and when up and going, likes to run at the ball and take marks – even when he is stationed in the backline. Geelong's tall defenders, like Tom Lonergan and Jared Rivers, are at the backend of their career and Durdin would provide a flexible option.
If not him? Caleb Marchbank is a big shot here if GWS hasn't picked him, and he can do a lot of what Durdin does, he's just a touch shorter. The same applies for Jake Lever. The Cats like Jordan De Goey, and Peter Wright would be seriously considered if still on the board.
11. WEST COASY - LIAM DUGGAN – 11/12/96, 183cm, 76kg, Western Jets
Duggan's ability to shift from a neat kicking half-back into a ball-winning midfielder saw him rise rapidly up the draft ranks this season. The left-footer showed he could thrive in contested situations, rip the ball out of a pack and get going, but recruiters also like his defensive traits: he tackles, harasses, and won't give up. He might start his career as a set-up player out of defence but he has shown he won't be limited to that role. Clubs love him, and he'd be a perfect fit for the Eagles with his foot skills adding another layer to the club's midfield in time.
If not him? Jayden Laverde and Lachie Weller seem the main contenders for this selection, and both would bring plenty to the Eagles. Like every club, they'd have to think about Peter Wright should he be there.
12. RICHMOND - COREY ELLIS – 9/10/96, 185cm, 76kg, Western Jets
He might not have the highlights tape of others, but the poised and composed Ellis has plenty going for him. His decision-making is top-shelf, he reads the game well, is brave enough to go and win his own ball, and skilled enough to then deliver it. Like he is off the field, Ellis doesn’t seem to get flustered or rushed; he just gets on with things. He might have a delayed start to his AFL career, having just recently begun running again after a stress fracture in his foot. Has been strongly linked to the Tigers, who are searching for more midfield class. Ellis has got it.
If not him? Lachie Weller and Liam Duggan are among the handful of other options, but one or both could be gone by Richmond's pick.
13. FREMANTLE - JAKE LEVER – 5/3/96, 194cm, 84kg, Calder Cannons
The Dockers will have watched Lever closely through the season, knowing his long absence could see him get through to their later first-round pick. Lever's unique circumstances have made him a very difficult player to position. He played great football last year as a bottom-ager, but that's the only football they are judging him on after his off-season knee reconstruction ruled him out of 2014. But he's still among the handful of standout talls on offer, given his competitiveness, run and drive, and exceptional leadership off the field. Fremantle desperately need some more quality young talls and Lever ticks that box.
If not him? Sam Durdin is a good chance here, and Caleb Marchbank may be considered. But they have a few midfielders in their range, including Lachie Weller and Jayden Laverde.
14. ADELAIDE - JAYDEN LAVERDE – 12/4/96, 189cm, 82kg, Western Jets
Could one of the most exciting and versatile players in the draft fall in Adelaide's lap? Laverde offers plenty of options for clubs. His height, athleticism and speed is attractive to recruiters, who can see him becoming a big-bodied midfielder who marks well overhead and streams the ball forward. He's creative and adventurous, can be used across half-back and also closer to goal. He springs into games when he needs to, and once he develops more of an inside game he'll have close to the full package of skills to work with. Few would have predicted he would get to pick 14, but if not taken by Collingwood at pick five it's possible.
If not him? All the rage is for Kyle Langford at this spot, and you can see why: he's a vibrant forward with a few tricks. Tall trio Caleb Marchbank, Sam Durdin and Jake Lever would be looked at closely.
15. GOLD COAST - NAKIA COCKATOO – 23/10/96, 185cm, 86kg, NT Thunder
Cockatoo has had more than half a dozen clubs visit him in Darwin since his breakout game on Grand Final day in the curtain-raiser at the MCG. The strong and quick midfielder hustled and bustled and showed his wares as an exciting prospect, in what was his first game of the season after a year-and-a-half ruined by recurring foot fractures. They've been medically assessed and the results came back fine last week for clubs. It's a tight call for the Suns, with a few others who are very even around this mark.
If not him? Speedster Jarrod Garlett is a big shot, but it could go a few ways. Lachie Weller is a chance, as is Kyle Langford, who they have been strongly linked to. And in the very slim chance Liam Duggan got through to pick 15, the Suns would surely be quick to read his name out.
16. NORTH MELBOURNE - LACHIE WELLER – 23/2/96, 181cm, 77kg, Southport
A silky midfielder who kicks well, has speed and likes to push forward to set up goals, if not slot them himself. There aren't many players like Weller at the top-end of this year's draft with his precise kicking ability and outside run. He's not a big midfielder so can leave the inside play to others, but Weller is a direct mover, taking the ball towards the goals at every opportunity. He's ready to test himself at the next level, and will enjoy the professional elements of an AFL environment. His class would appeal to North, who have built a strong and sturdy midfield group and can do with his outside skill.
If not him? Expect the Roos to think long and hard about Nakia Cockatoo if he's still on the board, and the same with Jarrod Garlett. Corey Ellis, if he surprisingly got past Richmond, would also be in that bracket.
17. ESSENDON - JARROD GARLETT – 11/5/96, 180cm, 69kg, South Fremantle
As one of the prominent run-and-carry players in the draft, Garlett has many admirers. He has the speed and endurance mix every club is looking for, and he likes to stream with the ball down the wing and then deliver it into attack. He's got some confidence, and plays with dare. Garlett was a standout for WA at the Under-18 Championships, and went on to feature in South Fremantle's senior team late in the WAFL season. The Bombers are interested in Garlett and he would fill a hole for them by bringing an immediate burst of run and dare.
If not him? Fellow midfielders Lachie Weller, Tom Lamb and Touk Miller are a chance here, and the club may look to snare a tall defender if one snuck through. Could it be Caleb Marchbank?
18. SYDNEY - ISAAC HEENEY – 5/5/96, 186cm, 82kg, Cardiff
There's not much this midfielder can't do, which makes him a special pick for the Sydney Swans. They got first access to Heeney via their local academy program, which he joined as a 12-year-old from Newcastle. He's grown to become a standout in his draft pool, impressing with his dash and dare, but also his hardness and competitive streak. Expect him to play a fair chunk of senior footy for the Swans, who were forced (and more than happy) to use their first pick on him during the bidding process.
If not him? He's already a Swan. He would have been a top-five pick in an open field.
19. CARLTON - CALEB MARCHBANK – 7/12/96, 192cm, 85kg, Murray Bushrangers
Marchbank has suffered an injury-affected past two seasons, but his draft stocks remain high. As a third tall defender, 192cm prospect can read the flight of the ball well, he has good courage in marking contests, and competes when it's up for grabs. But he can also play in the forward line, where his leading and contested marking takes the eye. The Blues want run, but if Marchbank gets to pick 19 he'd be too hard to miss.
If not him? Some other contenders for Carlton include Touk Miller, Tom Lamb and Connor Menadue.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-25/the-phantom-draft
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Inside Football's Brett Anderson also has Richmond selecting Corey Ellis at pick 12. It seems it's locked in according to all the media draft pundits.
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Excellent work from our recruiters if they do. getting in someone with a kicking efficiency of 49% and a stuffed foot. Well done to all at Richmond if they pick Ellis.
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Excellent work from our recruiters if they do. getting in someone with a kicking efficiency of 49% and a stuffed foot. Well done to all at Richmond if they pick Ellis.
I'm personally sick of these left field picks.
If Ellis is picked and he proves to be a dud, I think we should ask for FJs resignation. No question.
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Hardwick too
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Yeah agree, isn't Weller supposed to be better..??
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Excellent work from our recruiters if they do. getting in someone with a kicking efficiency of 49% and a stuffed foot. Well done to all at Richmond if they pick Ellis.
I'm personally sick of these left field picks.
If Ellis is picked and he proves to be a dud, I think we should ask for FJs resignation. No question.
If they wanted left field and they picked Garlett for example ... then at least you could accept it coz the boy has some line breaking pace and he isn't a bad kick of the footy and you can see that if developed properly he could do serious damage playing on a wing at the MCG but seriously we are already slow enough without bringing in another vanilla type who kicks the footy at 49%.
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Yeah agree, isn't Weller supposed to be better..??
How do we overlook lever or LAVERDE
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Who knows anymore??
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Won't be selecting ellis with a stress fracture, Weller is our man, bookmark it :shh
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Yeah agree, isn't Weller supposed to be better..??
How do we overlook lever or LAVERDE
we cant both lever and laverde are quality players.
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Won't be selecting ellis with a stress fracture, Weller is our man, bookmark it :shh
Welp...that's Ellis confirmed at 12.
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Maybe they wanted Ellis with pick 33?
That is why they told him they might pick him......
Now that's a curve ball maybe nobody expected.......
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Maybe they wanted Ellis with pick 33?
That is why they told him they might pick him......
Now that's a curve ball maybe nobody expected.......
No way in the world will Ellis make it to 33. 21/22 at the absolute latest.
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C'mon FJ, call out Ellis
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From Emma Quayle's live chat this arvo ...
Sean - "Who do you think would be an ideal player for Richmond to target in this years draft?"
Emma Quayle - "Hi Sean. I think they should grab Peter Wright if he's there, simply because it's really hard to find those sort of players. But their midfield could do with some continued boosting and they're going to have the choice of some very good players at pick 12. Liam Duggan, Lachie Weller, Corey Ellis are 3 I think would be in the mix there, and they could consider Jayden Laverde if he gets through."
Matthew - "Any chance of Richmond taking a decent young aboriginal player this year? With centre & dream time, it's about time?"
Emma Quayle - "There are some very good indigenous kids in this year's draft. Jarrod Pickett looks like being a top 10 pick, and Paul Ahern, Nakia Cockatoo and Jarrod Garlett will be up there too. Clem Smith is another good player to look out for and I'm hoping Francis Watson gets a chance. Not sure whether any of these boys will end up at the Tigers though!"
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/trading-and-drafting/2014-afl-draft-chat-live-with-emma-quayle-20141125-11t95x.touch.html
one of the few times emma has it wrong.
has she not looked at our list and said to herself sheesh. vickery griffiths mcbean all similar type to peter wright. obviously not the same quality. the last thing we need is another 200cm ruck/fwd.
the only circumstance id take wright is if i was pretty certain he would become a top level ruckman who could do a brad ottens type role fwd. hmm ottens is what id be looking for in him.
i suppose if we took him it would enable us to clear the decks the following season especially if vickery and griffiths dont improve. theres aways a silver lining i suppose.
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C'mon FJ, call out Ellis
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At least this place will provide a good laugh :lol
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If you guys want FJ to go for a "left-field" pick then some Freo fan on BF is claiming news "from out west" about "strong mail that Garlett is a big chance to go to Richmond".
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2014-draft-dfa-talk-part-ii-picks-12-33-52-70-88-miles.1080191/page-109#post-36210543
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Titus O'Reilly's "Easily the worst AFL Draft preview you’ll read":
http://titusoreily.com/easily-worst-afl-draft-preview-youll-read/
Christian Petracca has worked hard all year and his reward is a career at St Kilda. Life is a cruel mistress.
While there’s no doubt about his talent, some people question Paul Ahern’s consistency. A lack of consistency is hardly a deal breaker at Richmond however; if anything it’s a required cultural fit.
Jake Lever had an ACL tear in January and spent a lot of time bored out of his mind as he recovered. This is the perfect preparation for a career in Adelaide.
:laugh:
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If you guys want FJ to go for a "left-field" pick then some Freo fan on BF is claiming news "from out west" about "strong mail that Garlett is a big chance to go to Richmond".
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2014-draft-dfa-talk-part-ii-picks-12-33-52-70-88-miles.1080191/page-109#post-36210543
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At least he has something we severely lack - leg speed with run and carry......
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If Ellis is such a jet
Why do none of the top 11 picks seem keen
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If Ellis is such a jet
Why do none of the top 11 picks seem keen
No one chose Jack Riewoldt until pick 13 and he turned out ok. Rance at 18 goes alright too.
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If Ellis is such a jet
Why do none of the top 11 picks seem keen
Are Melbourne reaching for Brayshaw seems Saints aren't taking him at 1?
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If Ellis is such a jet
Why do none of the top 11 picks seem keen
Why did Rory Sloane make it to pick 44?
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If Ellis is such a jet
Why do none of the top 11 picks seem keen
Are Melbourne reaching for Brayshaw seems Saints aren't taking him at 1?
Is he the best player availed at the pick? If so, I'd say they are not reaching
If Ellis is such a jet
Why do none of the top 11 picks seem keen
No one chose Jack Riewoldt until pick 13 and he turned out ok. Rance at 18 goes alright too.
Due to the like of thorp and Hansen were very highly rated. And we would of taken them, if we had a higher pick.
Rance does go ok. Relevance? I'd say at that pick he was the wbest option still on the table.
If Ellis is such a jet
Why do none of the top 11 picks seem keen
Why did Rory Sloane make it to pick 44?
Cause he is small and overrated?
My fear is we will not select the best availed player, regardless of the bullshyte talk.
And try to be too smart
Ie. Jon v hurn
Heppell v Conca
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Would rather reach for Garlett than reach for Ellis.
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Obviously
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From Callum Twomey's live chat this arvo ....
Michael G.
Cal, a few years ago the Tigers said they would have picked Vlastin even if they had a better pick. Do you get the sense that the Tigers see Ellis in the same light or would they likely choose Ahern or Laverdie if they slipped ahead of Ellis?
Cal T. moderator
Would the three Keilor boys be available for the Tigers? Maybe. Ellis has been linked to them for a while, but he's not going to get picked earlier than 12. He's a really good player, brave, damaging by foot, smart and skillful.
Tiger F.
Hi Cal! A lot of people have linked Corey Ellis with Richmond, yet he's not really being associated with other clubs who have picks in the 8-15 range. Do you think Richmond rate him too high? Based on talent/attributes, where does he fit in the overall rankings?
Cal T. moderator
Probably just answered that question Tiger! I had him ranked at 14 I think, so around that mark. I rate him highly, and North would look strongly at 16 if he got there.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-26/chat-live-with-draft-guru-callum-twomey
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but he's not going to get picked earlier than 12.
What a surprise
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but he's not going to get picked earlier than 12.
What a surprise
Everyone not picked before 12 won't be picked before 12. What's your point?
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SICK of FJ getting players that are tipped to go later. FFS FJ whatever happened to best available
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but he's not going to get picked earlier than 12.
What a surprise
Everyone not picked before 12 won't be picked before 12. What's your point?
spot on, how would anyone know who was going to go earlier or later, its all a big guess
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but he's not going to get picked earlier than 12.
What a surprise
Everyone not picked before 12 won't be picked before 12. What's your point?
From what I read it seems nobody else, only richmond, view him as the 12th best player ...
but he's not going to get picked earlier than 12.
What a surprise
Everyone not picked before 12 won't be picked before 12. What's your point?
spot on, how would anyone know who was going to go earlier or later, its all a big guess
It seems we 'leak' who we will take at times
Or at least several phantom drafts correctly guess who we will take with the player in question usually a 'longship', to go that high ... :whistle
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Brett Anderson's latest updated phantom draft.
He still has Ellis going to Richmond at pick 12 and us passing over Duggan, Ahern and Weller.
1. St Kilda - Patrick MCCARTIN
Geelong Falcons | 19/4/96 | H: 194cm | W: 96kg
He’ll go close to being first picked but won’t go any lower than five. Much will depend on what St Kilda wants to do as to whether they take a key forward or a ball winner. Just a natural key forward who is a similar player to Jarryd Roughead at the same age and clearly the best forward in the draft. A great size he positions himself well in the forward-line, has good speed, can step around blokes, is good on the lead and has great hands. If he gets the ball anywhere around 50 metres he’ll kick a goal. In three years time he’ll be a genuine power forward who has got a bit of poo in him as well. – Geelong Falcons region manager Michael Turner
2. Melbourne - Christian PETRACCA
Eastern Ranges | 4/1/96 | H: 186cm | W: 95kg
Christian is extremely competitive and a dynamic inside midfielder who is also a superbly capable mid-sized forward. At this level he’s proven to be one of, if not the best junior players in the country at winning his own ball on the ground and in the air. It’s hard to liken him to anyone currently in the AFL because he’s such a unique talent loaded with so many variables in his skill set. He was an Australian basketball junior representative so has all those inside decision making under pressure qualities that set him apart from most players. Just a dynamic talent who is ready to go Round 1 next year for the club that drafts him. – Eastern Ranges talent manager Mark Neeld
In the mix: Angus Brayshaw
3. Melbourne - Angus BRAYSHAW
Sandringham Dragons | 9/1/96 | H: 187cm | W: 91kg
Angus is a ready-made senior footballer and he’s just keen to get in there. He is a genuine inside midfielder who is very good at the stoppages and on both sides of his body. To be picky, we’d like him to add a bit more outside burst run to his game, but he is good above his head and has a really good character and work rate. It’s really about him just taking up the challenges and getting set as quickly as possible. – Sandringham Dragons talent manager Ryan O’Connor
In the mix: Christian Petracca
4. Greater Western Sydney - Jarrod PICKETT
South Fremantle | 3/5/96 | H: 177cm | W: 75kg
Jarrod’s a free flowing versatile type who has shown plenty as a dangerous small forward and through the midfield. He has electrifying pace and uses it to break play up and create havoc for the opposition – that uncanny ability to break a game open with his run. There wouldn’t be a game where he wouldn’t go on a five or six-bounce run and kick a goal, which was how he kicked his first goal in senior footy. Played the last five games of the year in the senior side after starting the year in the Colts. – South Fremantle talent development officer David Depane
5. Collingwood - Jordan DE GOEY
Oakleigh Chargers | 15/3/96 | H: 188cm | W: 85kg
Jordan’s a unique player who is able to play in all areas of the ground. He’s a super competitor, makes good decisions and kicks the ball really well so he ticks a lot of the boxes of what AFL clubs want, but his agility makes him a rare commodity in the draft. He wins his one-on-ones and tends to pop up when the game needs to be decided. I wouldn’t be surprised if he really crept up the draft and went in the top handful of picks. – Oakleigh Chargers talent manager Mark Smart
6. GWS Giants - Hugh GODDARD
Geelong Falcons | 24/8/96 | H: 196cm | W: 94kg
Hugh will go top 10 in my opinion. A Melbourne Grammar boy he went to the AFL Academy and played for Vic Country as well as the Falcons. Played as a forward when he was younger but has played in defence and done well on some of the better forwards. He’s Brendan’s first cousin, has as lot of development in him and he’s very focused on what he wants to achieve in football. I think he’ll have a very good AFL career. – Geelong Falcons region manager Michael Turner
In the mix: Caleb Marchbank
7. GWS Giants - Caleb MARCHBANK
Murray Bushrangers | 7/12/96 | H: 192cm | W: 89kg
Caleb is a superstar on and off the field. Great leadership qualities, is an elite kick off both sides, reads the play outstandingly well and is brilliant at intercept marking. Only played four games for us but played national carnival for Vic Country then hurt his knee towards the end and had a lay-off. After missing last year with injury he came back brilliantly well and he’s continued to grow over the past two years. Can play forward or back, is an outstanding mark and a really creative player. Had a great deal of interest in him. – Murray Bushrangers coach Darren Ogier
In the mix: Hugh Goddard, Paul Ahern
8. Gold Coast - Peter WRIGHT
Calder Cannons | 8/9/96 | H: 203cm | W: 100kg
Peter is a forward who can go into the ruck, not a ruck that can go forward. He had a breakout game against Northern at the end of the year with 29 touches, 14 marks and four goals and is extremely hard to match up on when he’s on form. He judges himself pretty hard and sets a very high standard for himself but he’s a great kid who is going to make a club very happy down the track. He will be in the mix in the first handful of selections. – Calder Cannons talent manager Ian Kyte
In the mix: Liam Duggan
9. Collingwood (Father-Son Selection) - Darcy MOORE
Oakleigh Chargers | 25/1/96 | H: 199cm | W: 91kg
We are really pleased that it all worked out for Darcy. Obviously ever since he was born there has been a spotlight on the father-son and who he is. He’s dealt with it extremely well and has the ability to play at both ends of the ground as a key position player. He is a very good contested mark and his leadership has been fantastic. Collingwood is getting not only a very good young prospect but a special kid. – Oakleigh Chargers talent manager Mark Smart
10. Geelong - Sam DURDIN
West Adelaide | 6/6/96 | H: 198cm | W: 88kg
Sam is from our Riverland country zone and comes from a small town before relocating in Adelaide three years ago. Has played senior footy for us and will probably end up being a key defender because he’s got great hands and is a very good defensive mark. Won the best player award in the Under 18 Grand Final this year and has great potential is a very exciting prospect. – West Adelaide football manager Andrew Marks
In the mix: Peter Wright, Caleb Marchbank
11. West Coast - Jayden LAVERDE
Western Jets | 12/4/96 | H: 189cm | W: 80kg
Jayden is likely to go top 10. A 190cm player who can play in all parts of the ground he had a very good national championships including a three-goal performance against South Australia that stood out. An Essendon Grammar boy he unfortunately was injured at the end of the year and didn’t play in our finals but he’s fantastic in the air, has a great vertical leap and a good speed for a player of that size. – Western Jets coach Torin Baker
In the mix: Liam Duggan, Nakia Cockatoo
12. Richmond - Corey ELLIS
Western Jets | 9/10/96 | H: 184cm | W: 74kg
Corey is one of the smarter and natural players that I’ve had the pleasure of coaching at the Jets. Really good inside midfielder, hard, tough and courageous with good endurance and I’d say he’s a top-end draft pick for sure. He’s just got great natural ball wining ability and uses it by hand or foot to find players in better positions. Averaged 25-plus possessions in the TAC Cup and is a good tackler. Just a good midfield package. – Western Jets coach Torin Baker
In the mix: Liam Duggan, Jake Lever
13. Fremantle - Jake LEVER
Calder Cannons | 5/3/96 | H: 193cm | W: 84kg
Jake missed the whole year after injuring his knee over summer. He could go to Melbourne at No.2 or 3 and they will have a future club captain. The query that some may have on his pace is made up for his ability to read the play and intercept as a defender. In time I think he could be a midfielder as he runs a low 10-minute 3km time trial. Before the injury he would have been in the mix for the No.1 pick, but he is a super kid whose professionalism is on another level.– Calder Cannons talent manager Ian Kyte
In the mix: Sam Durdin, Caleb Marchbank
14. Adelaide - Kyle LANGFORD
Northern Knights | 1/12/96 | H: 190cm | W: 76kg
Kyle could be the bolter of this draft. Athletically he stacks up really well and across the board was in the top five per cent at the combine in most tests. He is still a really young fella with a late birthdate and could be a Jack Gunston type. He reads the play quite well – he played down back at the nationals, but played in attack and on a wing with us and just did some amazing things in terms of his marking. He kicked two bags of five goals against Calder and Eastern playing deep forward early in the season. He is also a very good cricketer. Certainly one to keep a close eye on.– Northern Knights talent manager Peter Kennedy
In the mix: Jake Lever, Caleb Marchbank
15. Gold Coast - Liam DUGGAN
Western Jets | 11/12/96 | H: 184cm | W: 75kg
Liam is a really talented left-footer who can play a variety of roles and after playing more as a defender last year we played him a lot midfield and forward. Impressed at the national championships and is one of the better ball users in the TAC Cup. Likely to go pretty early, maybe top 15. – Western Jets coach Torin Baker
In the mix: Kyle Langford, Jarrod Garlett
16. North Melbourne - Nakia COCKATOO
NT Thunder | 23/10/96 | H: 186cm | W: 86kg
Nakia’s a medium forward and could play in the midfield, and was best afield in the Allies game. He proceeded to test really well at the draft combine where he won the repeat sprint and also the skill kicking. He’s had an indifferent year, not playing many games after he fractured his foot in November 2013 and they kept him in a moonboot for a while. He then he played a couple of practice matches with our senior Thunder side in March and in the second game pulled up sore. Another scan revealed another fracture so they decided to operate, fuse it and screw it, which happened in April. He was thinking about playing in the Darwin league before the draft but the academy and the medical staff said that he should continue to get his endurance up and rehab the foot. I reckon he’ll play that high half-forward role and push into the midfield. He’s a six foot one midfielder who kicks both feet and runs pretty hard. – Northern Territory talent manager Wally Gallio
In the mix: Jarrod Garlett, Lachie Weller, Daniel McKenzie
17. Essendon - Paul AHERN
Calder Cannons | 1/8/96 | H: 182cm | W: 82kg
Paul is an outside running midfielder who was Vic Metro and All Australian. He probably had one of his best games for the season in the Grand Final, especially in the second half. He has elite speed, agility and endurance but needs to work on his consistency in games. I’d say he will be a half forward who can push up into midfield and he can take a good mark overhead for his size. At his best he looks a million bucks but we have worked to get the gap between his best and worst football closer together. He is an indigenous boy with some real quality and class. – Calder Cannons talent manager Ian Kyte
In the mix: Nakia Cockatoo, Lachie Weller
18. Sydney (Academy Selection) - Isaac HEENEY
Cardiff | 5/5/96 | H: 186cm | W: 84kg
The fact that Melbourne bid its No.2 pick on him is a true indication of Isaac’s quality. He is a highly competitive young man and can really find the footy. He’s come through the talent programs and academies here in NSW and it’s great that he’s got some reward and gets to the Swans. I’m sure he’ll develop into a high-end AFL player for a long period of time and is a player who I would compare to Nat Fyfe – he’s as good overhead as Fyfe as well. At junior level you could isolate him as a forward and he could jump over blokes. He will be a super player for a long time for the Swans. – NSW/ACT talent manager Darren Denneman
19. Carlton - Lachie WELLER
Broadbeach | 23/2/96 | H: 182cm | W: 77kg
Lachie’s the younger brother of St Kilda’s Mav, and is a classy midfielder/half forward who is going to be an early pick. He is an elite kick, he’s got elite skills, he’s just a very good player. He finds space in traffic well and has great vision with the ball in hand. He played well in the Allies game and in the end his class really stood out. I reckon he’s around the top 10 mark and a club like West Coast or Richmond, who need the speed, would look very closely at him. – Queensland talent manager Mark Browning
In the mix: Jarrod Garlett, Caleb Marchbank, Daniel McKenzie
http://www.sen.com.au/news/2014-afl-mock-draft-40
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
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Why did we take Conca over Heppell :banghead
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
You're ready to lose your poo over Richmond drafting a kid who I presume you've never seen play live?
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-phantom-draft-2014-jay-clark-and-sam-landsberger-predict-who-your-club-will-pick/story-fnp04d70-1227132256899
If Dees take Wright over Petracca and assuming GWS then grab him and the order shuffles down who is most likely to slide?
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
You're ready to lose your poo over Richmond drafting a kid who I presume you've never seen play live?
Welcome to OER, son.
Meltdowns come cheap here.
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
You're ready to lose your poo over Richmond drafting a kid who I presume you've never seen play live?
I never watched
Burn
Jon
Heppell
Conca
Play live either
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
You're ready to lose your poo over Richmond drafting a kid who I presume you've never seen play live?
Welcome to OER, son.
Meltdowns come cheap here.
As do deluded fanbois
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AFL draft 2014: Emma Quayle's first-round predictions
The Age
November 26, 2014 - 5:30PM
1. McCartin
2. Brayshaw
3. Petracca
4. Pickett
5. De Goey
6. Ahern
7. Marchbank
8. Wright
9. Moore
10. Durdin
11. Duggan
12. RICHMOND: COREY ELLIS
(Western Jets, 9/10/96, 184cm, 74kg)
Reliable, disciplined midfielder with possibly the most accurate kick in the draft.
The rationale: The Tigers want to keep adding to their midfield, and Ellis is one of the most efficient onballers in the draft. Never loses his cool, goes quietly about his business and gets the ball where it needs to go.
The complication: Liam Duggan and Lachie Weller have both been linked to the club. Jayden Laverde may be considered if available, and the same goes for Peter Wright.
13. Lever
14. Langford
15. Cockatoo
16. McKenzie
17. Laverde
18. Heeney
19. Weller
20. Garlett
21. Goddard
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-draft-2014-emma-quayles-firstround-predictions-20141126-11uey0.html
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
You're ready to lose your poo over Richmond drafting a kid who I presume you've never seen play live?
I never watched
Burn
Jon
Heppell
Conca
Play live either
Just saying, you've formed a pretty conclusive assessment of this kid's ability based on a 3 minute highlight package filmed in a year he struggled with injury, and didn't show a lot of his pack work (clearances are boring highlight fodder).
FWIW I'd prefer others at pick 12 too but I don't believe the gap between Ellis and those I prefer is very large, if there at all. I'll trust the guys who've watched these kids play for thousands of hours over my own (and many others') judgement.
Would you agree that we need another classy inside mid?
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
You're ready to lose your poo over Richmond drafting a kid who I presume you've never seen play live?
I never watched
Burn
Jon
Heppell
Conca
Play live either
Just saying, you've formed a pretty conclusive assessment of this kid's ability based on a 3 minute highlight package filmed in a year he struggled with injury, and didn't show a lot of his pack work (clearances are boring highlight fodder).
FWIW I'd prefer others at pick 12 too but I don't believe the gap between Ellis and those I prefer is very large, if there at all. I'll trust the guys who've watched these kids play for thousands of hours over my own (and many others') judgement.
Would you agree that we need another classy inside mid?
I agree we do, but we need a line breaker much more. That is why Nakia Cockatoo is so good. He is a very powerful unit who oozes x factor and has genuine pace. When I saw him play for the allies I couldn't believe this guy wasn't top 10 material. You just have to look at how powerful he would be after 2 or three preseasons. It actually doesn't take much imagination. He could easily reach Dangerfield like levels with the correct application and training. We are dying for a player like that but the club ever pulls the trigger. Hawthorn has several times with Rioli (pick 12 I think too) and Brad Hill and look how that has helped them. FFS we have just uncovered a great inside mid in Miles. We need an outside guy with electrifying speed and skill.
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
You're ready to lose your poo over Richmond drafting a kid who I presume you've never seen play live?
I never watched
Burn
Jon
Heppell
Conca
Play live either
Just saying, you've formed a pretty conclusive assessment of this kid's ability based on a 3 minute highlight package filmed in a year he struggled with injury, and didn't show a lot of his pack work (clearances are boring highlight fodder).
FWIW I'd prefer others at pick 12 too but I don't believe the gap between Ellis and those I prefer is very large, if there at all. I'll trust the guys who've watched these kids play for thousands of hours over my own (and many others') judgement.
Would you agree that we need another classy inside mid?
I've not concluded anything
Nor have I watched the video
I would just rather a slider' than 'reaching'
We need an inside mid but we probably need an outside on that not a squib more. And a tall and ruck wouldn't hurt. Hence id like best available
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Should we be taking a kPP like Lever, or Goddard if they slide?
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Should we be taking a kPP like Lever, or Goddard if they slide?
depends on what mids are left. for me theres 4 mids i reall want i know for sure two wont be available with one other a very sml chance imo. if the 4this gone im looking straight away at talls dagain depending on whos still there. there are 4 talls id be happy to take at 12 and one or two of em could be there.
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The Saints want a tall, they'll look past Petracca with #1.
Bump ;)
Would like Laverde, feel we will get Ellis. Can't go wrong really.
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Should we be taking a kPP like Lever, or Goddard if they slide?
Yes
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Ellis to me looks like the kind of player who figures in premiership teams.
Cool as a cucumber, beautiful kick, hard at it.
A natural footballer.
I'm not hung up on speed if a kid knows how to play the game. Footy smarts can cover plenty.
Frank and his team will have looked over countless vision of all these boys.
Laverde, Weller and Duggan included.
If they think Corey at pick 12 is the best bet to play 250 games, then with pick 12 I am happy with that until shown to be wrong.
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Ellis it is according the Brett Anderson even if Duggan and Weller are still available.
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Quick question, if Weller and Ellis are both available at 12 who do you see Richmond taking and also, who do you prefer?
BA: Nope. Ellis wins.
Do you think Richmond would pick Ellis over Duggan?
BA: Tight call. Yes.
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/status/537550898809946112
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Sam Landsberger and Jay Clark are now the exception with their phantom draft. They have us selecting Duggan.
12. RICHMOND
Liam Duggan (Western Jets)
H: 183cm W: 75kg
Midfielder
The Tigers are blessed for choice with the outside midfield options available, but Duggan looks the safest bet. The smooth-moving left-footer boasts supreme ball use and would complement Brett Deledio and Brandon Ellis.
The twist: Tigers have been long-time fans of Corey Ellis, who has a stronger inside game.
http://www.news.com.au/national/afl-phantom-draft-2014-jay-clark-and-sam-landsberger-predict-who-your-club-will-pick/story-e6frfkp9-1227132256899
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Ellis to me looks like the kind of player who figures in premiership teams.
Cool as a cucumber, beautiful kick, hard at it.
A natural footballer.
I'm not hung up on speed if a kid knows how to play the game. Footy smarts can cover plenty.
Frank and his team will have looked over countless vision of all these boys.
Laverde, Weller and Duggan included.
If they think Corey at pick 12 is the best bet to play 250 games, then with pick 12 I am happy with that until shown to be wrong.
Not with the footage I've seen. Slow, indecisive and had an injury which supposedly was the reason he only kicked at 49% efficiency in TAC Cup action. Id hate to see the number at AFL level if all he can do is 49% at junior footy.
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. !
Lol
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Ive got beers in the fridge, snacks ready to go these idiots better not wreck my night by picking someone with a pre condition or someone who is slow as treacle. We want speed and class then more speed.
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(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/29807/michael-jackson-popcorn-o.gif)
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Ive got beers in the fridge, snacks ready to go these idiots better not wreck my night by picking someone with a pre condition or someone who is slow as treacle. We want speed and class then more speed.
Wanna get some spirts on hand
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
You're ready to lose your poo over Richmond drafting a kid who I presume you've never seen play live?
I never watched
Burn
Jon
Heppell
Conca
Play live either
Just saying, you've formed a pretty conclusive assessment of this kid's ability based on a 3 minute highlight package filmed in a year he struggled with injury, and didn't show a lot of his pack work (clearances are boring highlight fodder).
FWIW I'd prefer others at pick 12 too but I don't believe the gap between Ellis and those I prefer is very large, if there at all. I'll trust the guys who've watched these kids play for thousands of hours over my own (and many others') judgement.
Would you agree that we need another classy inside mid?
I've not concluded anything
Nor have I watched the video
I would just rather a slider' than 'reaching'
We need an inside mid but we probably need an outside on that not a squib more. And a tall and ruck wouldn't hurt. Hence id like best available
Sorry, got you confused with Rampstar.
I agree we should be going best available, and IMO that'll be Weller. But for whatever reason, he's flying down the order. There must be something to the story that we're not seeing. I'll be sick if he ends up at Essendon though, ugh.
I'm defending Ellis because I feel most have an ill formed view of what kind of player he is. Don't take those highlight packages as a prime example of his ability - you can make anyone look like a star or a dud with those things. The best player comparison for him in my view is probably Simon Black. Not saying he is or will be at that level, but he's a similar style of player, composed and tough inside with deadly skills on the outside.
Also agree that we need a KPD and a ruck, but I'd be looking at the rookie draft for those, particularly state leaguers. Two I like are Michael Hartley, ex Collingwood now Coburg KPD, and Sam Baulderstone, Norwood Ruckman. Reckon both would be available in the RD.
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I agree we should be going best available, and IMO that'll be Weller. But for whatever reason, he's flying down the order. There must be something to the story that we're not seeing. I'll be sick if he ends up at Essendon though, ugh.
I said this here a week ago and shot to pieces for it, Weller doesn't want to leave the GC and has been making the clear around the traps. He's hoping GC will pick him up with there second pick.
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
You're ready to lose your poo over Richmond drafting a kid who I presume you've never seen play live?
I never watched
Burn
Jon
Heppell
Conca
Play live either
Just saying, you've formed a pretty conclusive assessment of this kid's ability based on a 3 minute highlight package filmed in a year he struggled with injury, and didn't show a lot of his pack work (clearances are boring highlight fodder).
FWIW I'd prefer others at pick 12 too but I don't believe the gap between Ellis and those I prefer is very large, if there at all. I'll trust the guys who've watched these kids play for thousands of hours over my own (and many others') judgement.
Would you agree that we need another classy inside mid?
I've not concluded anything
Nor have I watched the video
I would just rather a slider' than 'reaching'
We need an inside mid but we probably need an outside on that not a squib more. And a tall and ruck wouldn't hurt. Hence id like best available
Sorry, got you confused with Rampstar.
Ya I just kind of butted in there my bad
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
You're ready to lose your poo over Richmond drafting a kid who I presume you've never seen play live?
I never watched
Burn
Jon
Heppell
Conca
Play live either
Just saying, you've formed a pretty conclusive assessment of this kid's ability based on a 3 minute highlight package filmed in a year he struggled with injury, and didn't show a lot of his pack work (clearances are boring highlight fodder).
FWIW I'd prefer others at pick 12 too but I don't believe the gap between Ellis and those I prefer is very large, if there at all. I'll trust the guys who've watched these kids play for thousands of hours over my own (and many others') judgement.
Would you agree that we need another classy inside mid?
I've not concluded anything
Nor have I watched the video
I would just rather a slider' than 'reaching'
We need an inside mid but we probably need an outside on that not a squib more. And a tall and ruck wouldn't hurt. Hence id like best available
Sorry, got you confused with Rampstar.
I agree we should be going best available, and IMO that'll be Weller. But for whatever reason, he's flying down the order. There must be something to the story that we're not seeing. I'll be sick if he ends up at Essendon though, ugh.
I'm defending Ellis because I feel most have an ill formed view of what kind of player he is. Don't take those highlight packages as a prime example of his ability - you can make anyone look like a star or a dud with those things. The best player comparison for him in my view is probably Simon Black. Not saying he is or will be at that level, but he's a similar style of player, composed and tough inside with deadly skills on the outside.
Also agree that we need a KPD and a ruck, but I'd be looking at the rookie draft for those, particularly state leaguers. Two I like are Michael Hartley, ex Collingwood now Coburg KPD, and Sam Baulderstone, Norwood Ruckman. Reckon both would be available in the RD.
What do you think of wright?
And the other kpp talked of as top 10ish?
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Im well and truly ready to lose my hsite tomorrow. Don't let me down FJ and can please pick duds like you usually do. This draft event only comes up once a year so its important for us to continue with our policy in here of slaughtering our recruiting records. Please start with the kid that only kicks at 49% and has a rooted foot. Im so looking forward to tomorrow and please don't get any bright ideas and start recruiting good players. That's not how we roll at Tigerland. Its dud, moneyball cheapskates and then more duds. Please!
You're ready to lose your poo over Richmond drafting a kid who I presume you've never seen play live?
I never watched
Burn
Jon
Heppell
Conca
Play live either
Just saying, you've formed a pretty conclusive assessment of this kid's ability based on a 3 minute highlight package filmed in a year he struggled with injury, and didn't show a lot of his pack work (clearances are boring highlight fodder).
FWIW I'd prefer others at pick 12 too but I don't believe the gap between Ellis and those I prefer is very large, if there at all. I'll trust the guys who've watched these kids play for thousands of hours over my own (and many others') judgement.
Would you agree that we need another classy inside mid?
I've not concluded anything
Nor have I watched the video
I would just rather a slider' than 'reaching'
We need an inside mid but we probably need an outside on that not a squib more. And a tall and ruck wouldn't hurt. Hence id like best available
Sorry, got you confused with Rampstar.
I agree we should be going best available, and IMO that'll be Weller. But for whatever reason, he's flying down the order. There must be something to the story that we're not seeing. I'll be sick if he ends up at Essendon though, ugh.
I'm defending Ellis because I feel most have an ill formed view of what kind of player he is. Don't take those highlight packages as a prime example of his ability - you can make anyone look like a star or a dud with those things. The best player comparison for him in my view is probably Simon Black. Not saying he is or will be at that level, but he's a similar style of player, composed and tough inside with deadly skills on the outside.
Also agree that we need a KPD and a ruck, but I'd be looking at the rookie draft for those, particularly state leaguers. Two I like are Michael Hartley, ex Collingwood now Coburg KPD, and Sam Baulderstone, Norwood Ruckman. Reckon both would be available in the RD.
What do you think of wright?
And the other kpp talked of as top 10ish?
I think if Wright is there we should and would jump on it, but I don't see him getting past the Cats. I rate him very highly and I'm pretty sure the only reason he's sliding a bit is due to the needs of sides above us (although GWS IMO are crazy to pass on him). I see him more as a forward than a ruck, Kurt Tippett is a pretty good comparison. We've got a number of similar guys but it'll put a lot of heat on them to perform next year, particularly Vickery. Guys like Wright don't come around too often and I don't expect we'll have access to his type for a while into the future if we expect to be pushing for top 4. Gives us a lot of flexibility at the trade table too.
Lever I'm a big fan of as well for his athleticism, leadership, speed, smarts and plenty of other things... But he's not played a game of footy since he was 16, big risk in my eyes for that reason. Durdin I'm neither here nor there about, and I don't rate Goddard all that highly - he's intense but messy, like a less athletic or imposing version of Rance.
I think we're fine to draft for needs a little early this year and take the best available mid rather than a KPP at 12, unless Wright is there, he's an exception.
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I agree we should be going best available, and IMO that'll be Weller. But for whatever reason, he's flying down the order. There must be something to the story that we're not seeing. I'll be sick if he ends up at Essendon though, ugh.
I said this here a week ago and shot to pieces for it, Weller doesn't want to leave the GC and has been making the clear around the traps. He's hoping GC will pick him up with there second pick.
I've actually heard he's said he only wants to go to Vic clubs so he can be close to his brother. The family is apparently planning to relocate down there. They're a tight knit bunch and there's allegedly some bad blood between Weller Snr and the Suns for their treatment of Mav, so I don't think they'll be taking Lachie. Seems a bit the Kavanagh situation from a few years back.
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Good posts Sylo.
Stick around brutha.
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The more I've been thinking about it the more I am convinced that we need to take a KPP with our first pick. With Chaplin at 29 and Astbury's injury history we need to shore up our KPD stocks with bluechip talent. If Lever, Marchbank, Goddard or Durdin are available I'd pick one of them ahead of a midfielder. If Wright is available then that's a no brainer too.
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The more I've been thinking about it the more I am convinced that we need to take a KPP with our first pick. With Chaplin at 29 and Astbury's injury history we need to shore up our KPD stocks with bluechip talent. If Lever, Marchbank, Goddard or Durdin are available I'd pick one of them ahead of a midfielder. If Wright is available then that's a no brainer too.
In the limited stuff I saw I thought Marchbank was very good and looked like a direct replacement for Chaplin
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but he's not going to get picked earlier than 12.
What a surprise
Everyone not picked before 12 won't be picked before 12. What's your point?
Did you consider parallel universe theorem?
What I was attempting to make my point, and clearly failed; is there not a valid concern when picks 1-11 having seemingly little to no interest in Ellis. And picks 13/14/15 apparently in the same boat?
And yet every man and his dog reckon he's ours.
Does that comfort you at night? Or does the health of the list not a priority to you
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most of the so called experts doing mock drafts have him around the 10-18 mark dont they?
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Dunno mate hope u right
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The fact that fans can be outraged in who we pick in the draft on the basis of a 2 minute youtube clip never ceases to amaze me.
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The fact that fans can be outraged in who we pick in the draft on the basis of a 2 minute youtube clip never ceases to amaze me.
the tapes give an indication as to what a player can do, if a players highlight package has no highlights and shows him to be slow and needing lots of space to get kicks away I think its fair to question that players credentials.
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When does the draft start
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@corey_weekes - "thoughts on Ellis over lever, laverde, weller or even blakley? I dont see the "reported" tigers love for ellis."
Brett Anderson - "It will be ellis mate"
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/status/537796240042242048
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BF is claiming Albury's Border Mail has a phantom draft with Ellis going to Geelong ........................................ at pick 47 ;D.
Emma Quayle says Nakia Cockatoo is a late arrival invitee up on the Gold Coast. Twomey reckons Geelong got him the invite.
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The fact that fans can be outraged in who we pick in the draft on the basis of a 2 minute youtube clip never ceases to amaze me.
the tapes give an indication as to what a player can do, if a players highlight package has no highlights and shows him to be slow and needing lots of space to get kicks away I think its fair to question that players credentials.
of course you do.
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We are stuffed. Ignoring better players to pick Ellis reaks of the Conca selection bunch of arrogant tosspots my poo don't stink and I'm going to take pick 22 at 12
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When does the draft start
Most media coverage starts around 6.30pm but I believe the actual draft will start around 7.30pm.
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Pelchen's view ...
Richmond
Draft selections: 12, 33, 52, 67, 77, 83.
Needs: Midfielders, tall utilities and outside speed.
This will be an important draft for Richmond as it sits on the cusp of becoming a challenger yet straddles the edge of not playing finals. The Tigers’ hierarchy has some interesting challenges – does it pursue another young defender to support Alex Rance or a forward to complement Jack Riewoldt, even though they possess developing players at both ends of the ground? There-in lies the answer for their capable list manager Blair Hartley and recruiting manager Francis Jackson – they genuinely need midfielders with speed who can win their own ball together with an elite utility who can play at either end of the ground. While Corey Ellis has been linked with their pick No.12, anticipate them considering Jayden Laverde and Liam Duggan too.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-27/pelchens-final-take
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When does the draft start
Most media coverage starts around 6.30pm but I believe the actual draft will start around 7.30pm.
Thank you :thumbsup
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The fact that fans can be outraged in who we pick in the draft on the basis of a 2 minute youtube clip never ceases to amaze me.
the tapes give an indication as to what a player can do, if a players highlight package has no highlights and shows him to be slow and needing lots of space to get kicks away I think its fair to question that players credentials.
of course you do.
You make it sound like its impossible for someone to be a decent judge of talent without being a recruiter and vice versa.
A previous work colleague of mine - his dad was a scout at the blues, I found his take on players questionable to say the least - he is now a scout for the crows and I have no qualms in stating I've met plenty of punters out there who know a shedload more about footy than that bloke who got recommended bc a family member was already in the industry.
Early on when Conca got picked, FJ kept harping on about his footskills... one look at concas ball drop tells you he will never be a consistent kick of the football.
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The fact that fans can be outraged in who we pick in the draft on the basis of a 2 minute youtube clip never ceases to amaze me.
the tapes give an indication as to what a player can do, if a players highlight package has no highlights and shows him to be slow and needing lots of space to get kicks away I think its fair to question that players credentials.
of course you do.
And you wanted to bring Lumumba to Richmond HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol
Good onya Blaisee your good for a laugh big fella. :thumbsup
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@corey_weekes - "thoughts on Ellis over lever, laverde, weller or even blakley? I dont see the "reported" tigers love for ellis."
Brett Anderson - "It will be ellis mate"
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/status/537796240042242048
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BF is claiming Albury's Border Mail has a phantom draft with Ellis going to Geelong ........................................ at pick 47 ;D.
Emma Quayle says Nakia Cockatoo is a late arrival invitee up on the Gold Coast. Twomey reckons Geelong got him the invite.
Duck you brett
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-11-27/tigers-draft-plans (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-11-27/tigers-draft-plans)
recruitment office Matt Clarke discusses upcoming draft
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Ch 7 said the expected top 5 is:
1. McCartin (St K)
2. Petracca (Melb)
3. Brayshaw (Melb)
4. Pickett (GWS)
5. De Goey (Coll)
Callum Twomey:
All the late, late mail suggests Nakia Cockatoo is a big chance for the Cats at pick 10, and Caleb Marchbank at pick 6 or 7.
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Won't be selecting ellis with a stress fracture, Weller is our man, bookmark it :shh
:shh
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I'm a Ahern fan. The kid looks like ending up a gun. I'll be surprised if he is still around at our pick though.
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Won't be selecting ellis with a stress fracture, Weller is our man, bookmark it :shh
orly
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I disagree with Jangles, I reckon we will pick Ellis
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I disagree with Jangles, I reckon we will pick Ellis
Hmmm, yes, quite...
I also like the look of McKenzie. Big boy who might just slip through to our last pick. I liken him to Plugger.
Cheerio!
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Bojo is gonna go off when he finds out about taking Ellis. :shh
Anytime around 2020.
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His mail tends to be a little bit 'analogue', perhaps the pony got caught in the storms on the way to his place this week.
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Post Office Stagecoach must have gotten robbed again.
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Post Office Stagecoach must have gotten robbed again.
Dodgy muttonchops at paces