One-Eyed Richmond Forum

Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on April 24, 2015, 11:48:19 PM

Title: Coach of 2017
Post by: TigerLand on April 24, 2015, 11:48:19 PM
 :help
Title: Re: Coach of 2016
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on April 24, 2015, 11:50:09 PM
Will be Hardwick. Is under contract.

Thread should be for 2017.

The Skata Cycle. 33 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
Title: Re: Coach of 2016
Post by: No More on April 24, 2015, 11:50:27 PM
you cant bring in an untried coach. he'll get eaten alive by the cultural failure that is the rfc. only a ross lyon can turn this around. a dictator type coach. that's it.
Title: Re: Coach of 2016
Post by: wayne on April 24, 2015, 11:50:30 PM
:help

Please be 'Who coaches us next week against the Cats'
Title: Re: Coach of 2016
Post by: TigerLand on April 24, 2015, 11:52:32 PM
Will be Hardwick. Is under contract.

Thread should be for 2017.

The Skata Cycle. 33 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™

Personally can see Hardwick getting the boot at the end of the year. If we miss finals which I think we will, with GC possibly making finals, a loss to GWS and maybe St.Kilda. The talk of Melbourne, Saints, GC, GWS, Bulldogs have all gone past us already will circle and a new regime will be pushed heavily.
Title: Re: Coach of 2016
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on April 24, 2015, 11:52:54 PM
you cant bring in an untried coach. he'll get eaten alive by the cultural failure that is the rfc. only a ross lyon can turn this around. a dictator type coach. that's it.

this  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Gigantor on April 24, 2015, 11:55:03 PM
we need a coach who will instil pride,never say die attitude,and leadership.......No idea who can do this to RFC
Title: Re: Coach of 2016
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on April 24, 2015, 11:58:59 PM
Will be Hardwick. Is under contract.

Thread should be for 2017.

The Skata Cycle. 33 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™

Personally can see Hardwick getting the boot at the end of the year. If we miss finals which I think we will, with GC possibly making finals, a loss to GWS and maybe St.Kilda. The talk of Melbourne, Saints, GC, GWS, Bulldogs have all gone past us already will circle and a new regime will be pushed heavily.

Not unless we go 5-17.

We always win a few cheapies at the end of the year to wallpaper over the cracks.
Title: Re: Coach of 2016
Post by: TigerLand on April 25, 2015, 12:01:52 AM
Will be Hardwick. Is under contract.

Thread should be for 2017.

The Skata Cycle. 33 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™

Personally can see Hardwick getting the boot at the end of the year. If we miss finals which I think we will, with GC possibly making finals, a loss to GWS and maybe St.Kilda. The talk of Melbourne, Saints, GC, GWS, Bulldogs have all gone past us already will circle and a new regime will be pushed heavily.

Not unless we go 5-17.

We always win a few cheapies at the end of the year to wallpaper over the cracks.

I struggle to see who we will beat other than Carlton, Brisbane and GWS.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Phil Mrakov on April 25, 2015, 12:03:11 AM
We need to act now to save the football club. The list is solid, sack Damian and get a good coach like Bomber Thompson to steer the ship.

I'm certain he will get us into the top 4 sooner rather than later
Title: Re: Coach of 2016
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on April 25, 2015, 12:03:45 AM
Will be Hardwick. Is under contract.

Thread should be for 2017.

The Skata Cycle. 33 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™

Personally can see Hardwick getting the boot at the end of the year. If we miss finals which I think we will, with GC possibly making finals, a loss to GWS and maybe St.Kilda. The talk of Melbourne, Saints, GC, GWS, Bulldogs have all gone past us already will circle and a new regime will be pushed heavily.

Not unless we go 5-17.

We always win a few cheapies at the end of the year to wallpaper over the cracks.

I struggle to see who we will beat other than Carlton, Brisbane and GWS.

Pope you reckon we'll beat GWS.
Those 20 goal downhill losses we dished out over the last two years will be repaid in full the way we are heading. Mark my words.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Yeahright on April 25, 2015, 01:34:50 PM
Popelord you've been awfully quiet lately but have a couple of losses and now you're up and about mmmmmm

Oh and stuff Bomber Thompson anyone who voted for him has no clue
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 25, 2015, 01:57:18 PM
Popelord you've been awfully quiet lately but have a couple of losses and now you're up and about mmmmmm

Oh and stuff Bomber Thompson anyone who voted for him has no clue
I voted for Bomber so I haven't a clue but why has bomber no clue?
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: The Big Richo on April 25, 2015, 02:00:39 PM
Oh and stuff Bomber Thompson anyone who voted for him has no clue

Yeah of course he doesn't.

Built Geelong into a mutli premiership winning force and took Essendon to the finals despite the drug stuff going on.

Can you imagine if we were Essendon last year? We would have finished 18th with a percentage in the minus.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on April 25, 2015, 02:32:49 PM
Roos is the man.
He hates us so throw money at him
And when the price is right he'll sign.
Have to do something un Richmond like to induce him.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: dwaino on April 25, 2015, 02:49:53 PM
I would like to sincerely thank Dimma for dragging us out of the poop but clearly he isn't the man to take us further and something should be done before the list gets too old or we lose players to better clubs.

Big gamble to relieve a coach only to get another untried coach, so that really limits the options. I like Bomber but I keep hearing he's cooked and lost interest. Having him could make Richmond an attractive option for prospective players though. I can't stand Lyon. He can't win a flag either and look at the state he left Saints and Freo look to end up similar if he fails there too.

To throw names around for no other reason than discussion, what about Ratten? Wasn't bad at Carlton and didn't help he lost Fev. Had them playing fast and down the guts, could his time at Hawthorn taught him anything to bridge the gap? At least we wouldn't need a massive overhaul of the game plan. Then Voss. Ended pretty miserably at Lions, but was that because he was inexperienced? Could he learn anything under Hinkley in a year?

If we can get a coach who is good at getting the most from average players then we wouldn't even need a great list overhaul
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Diocletian on April 25, 2015, 03:16:59 PM
Voss or Basset. Ling assistant. Hodge for assistant the minute he retires. Other assistant targets should be the likes of O'Keefe, Ball, Sewell & Maxwell. Need a new forwards coach. New fitness staff - scour the world. New medical staff - scour the world. New list managers. Maybe give Mick that bogus "head of coaching" role that Collingwood wanted to give him. The priority should be people with uncomprimising high standards but not uncompomising ideas about the game.

Knights VFL coach. Jake King VFL assistant coach. Look at the AFL players who retire at the end of this year and at least sound out the best of them to give us year or two in the VFL. Delist all the VFL listed players and replace them with proven performers & hungry kids who miss out on the draft.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 25, 2015, 03:26:00 PM
Brett Kirk.

Captain of a premiership side.

Assistant coach to Ross Lyon so he knows what the message is that the players have been getting as well as the structures that Lyon uses.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: tony_montana on April 25, 2015, 03:31:57 PM
Who are the trolls that picked hardwick?
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Penelope on April 25, 2015, 03:35:26 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Diocletian on April 25, 2015, 03:35:53 PM
That's exactly what I thought too Scarface....

Brett Kirk.

Captain of a premiership side.

Assistant coach to Ross Lyon so he knows what the message is that the players have been getting as well as the structures that Lyon uses.

You reckon his new age Buddhist philosophies would fire up our Nancy boys? "What is the sound of one arm tackling?"
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Go Richo 12 on April 25, 2015, 03:38:39 PM
Trolls? The poll is, who coaches us in 2016? As opposed to, who do you want to coach us in 2016? Or who coaches us in 2017?
Seeing that his contract is complete at the end of 2016 season it would seem that Damien is favorite to coach us next season, like it or not.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 25, 2015, 03:45:41 PM
Voss or Basset. Ling assistant. Hodge for assistant the minute he retires. Other assistant targets should be the likes of O'Keefe, Ball, Sewell & Maxwell. Need a new forwards coach. New fitness staff - scour the world. New medical staff - scour the world. New list managers. Maybe give Mick that bogus "head of coaching" role that Collingwood wanted to give him. The priority should be people with uncomprimising high standards but not uncompomising ideas about the game.

Knights VFL coach. Jake King VFL assistant coach. Look at the AFL players who retire at the end of this year and at least sound out the best of them to give us year or two in the VFL. Delist all the VFL listed players and replace them with proven performers & hungry kids who miss out on the draft.
Like the thinking behind this post. Not sure about a Jake King or Nathan Bassets credentials but and feel we need a senior coach who is uncompromising.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Penelope on April 25, 2015, 03:52:53 PM
That's exactly what I thought too Scarface....

Brett Kirk.

Captain of a premiership side.

Assistant coach to Ross Lyon so he knows what the message is that the players have been getting as well as the structures that Lyon uses.

You reckon his new age Buddhist philosophies would fire up our Nancy boys? "What is the sound of one arm tackling?"
kirk is a weirdo, i reckon hed take soft  cocks and teach them to sit down to pee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKlE5ICe5rA
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Gigantor on April 25, 2015, 03:57:54 PM
The coach and players are secondary to the main problem which is the RFC as a whole
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Willy on April 25, 2015, 04:05:55 PM
Everyone wants a coach, but we don't like any of the candidates.
Quite the bind we're in.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: tony_montana on April 25, 2015, 04:25:01 PM
Trolls? The poll is, who coaches us in 2016? As opposed to, who do you want to coach us in 2016? Or who coaches us in 2017?
Seeing that his contract is complete at the end of 2016 season it would seem that Damien is favorite to coach us next season, like it or not.

Literally huh
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 25, 2015, 10:27:23 PM
do you blokes really think deep down that lyon or roos will step foot anywhere near punt road.

bomber is finished. Look at eade and malthouse when you have time out of the game.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: torch on April 26, 2015, 10:53:25 AM
do you blokes really think deep down that lyon or roos will step foot anywhere near punt road.

bomber is finished. Look at eade and malthouse when you have time out of the game.

Didn't Lyon say he wanted to coach a "big 4 Melbourne team"?
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on April 26, 2015, 06:27:27 PM
Would there be any love for Matty Knights at all?
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on April 26, 2015, 06:28:44 PM
Would there be any love for Matty Knights at all?

Other than his 3 goals in the 1995 2nd semi. No.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Penelope on April 26, 2015, 08:58:21 PM
Would there be any love for Matty Knights at all?
yeah, id give him a shot
Title: Re: Coach of 2016
Post by: 1980 on April 26, 2015, 09:00:52 PM
you cant bring in an untried coach. he'll get eaten alive by the cultural failure that is the rfc. only a ross lyon can turn this around. a dictator type coach. that's it.

You mean like Terry Wallet?
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: 1980 on April 26, 2015, 09:02:02 PM
we need a coach who will instil pride,never say die attitude,and leadership.......No idea who can do this to RFC

Ross Lyon did it at teh Saints who were traditionally an even worse basket case than us
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: 1980 on April 26, 2015, 09:04:53 PM
Brett Kirk.

Captain of a premiership side.

Assistant coach to Ross Lyon so he knows what the message is that the players have been getting as well as the structures that Lyon uses.

Dark horse candidate. We need that bloods culture and he lived and breathed it. But Voss was personified the glory days of the Lions but he couldnt coach.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on April 26, 2015, 09:05:07 PM
Has to be someone who teaches defensiveness and accountability.
Areas we seriously lack in and teams who posses those traits always seem to beat us with.

After that we can expand but if we aren't accountable first and foremost games like the Dees one on Friday night will eventually creep in due to laziness and we'll be right back where we started.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: 1980 on April 26, 2015, 09:08:37 PM
Would there be any love for Matty Knights at all?

Yes Knights can coach. But can he deal with the Richmond politics? Campbell knifed him
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on April 26, 2015, 09:10:06 PM
Brett Kirk.

Captain of a premiership side.

Assistant coach to Ross Lyon so he knows what the message is that the players have been getting as well as the structures that Lyon uses.

Dark horse candidate. We need that bloods culture and he lived and breathed it. But Voss was personified the glory days of the Lions but he couldnt coach.

Voss coached a basket case club Doc.
Kirk is a little left of centre. Need someone who'll be merciless on the playing list.
Make Roos like us. Show him the money just like Melbourne did and he slowly changed his tune.
Do something un Richmond like. What are they using our $FTF for.  Footy derpartment or footy department stationery ie Hartley's black plastic binders or FJ's flouro yellow and orange highlighters.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Chuck17 on April 26, 2015, 09:12:16 PM
Doesn't matter just wheel any old bum in

Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: The Big Richo on April 26, 2015, 09:25:17 PM
Voss can coach, it was just he jumped in without any experience and had to learn on the job.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 26, 2015, 09:57:06 PM
I reckon Chris Scott would be a great fit.
Coached a flag
Been part of a successful club culture
Knows what it takes

Geelong have a track record of letting people go when they decide it's time.
They look like a rebuild list and Chris Scott is a perfect coach to finish off a mid tier side.

Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on April 26, 2015, 10:46:53 PM
I reckon Chris Scott would be a great fit.
Coached a flag
Been part of a successful club culture
Knows what it takes

Geelong have a track record of letting people go when they decide it's time.
They look like a rebuild list and Chris Scott is a perfect coach to finish off a mid tier side.

The thing that worries me about Chris Scott is that he inherited a gun side who had finished 1st, 2nd, 1st and 3rd so they were ready made when they won the flag in his first year, so when the chips are down with the list as it seems to be now and it requires attention what is his philosophy in getting the side into the contention category again?

It seems to me he or the GFC have hung on to a few players from the flags for a season or so too long. Their real last chance was 2013 and once Hawthorn got the cat off its back in the Prelim the clubs results have steadily declined. Hoping to pinch another flag before the on set of obvious retirements and changing of the guard? Hasn't that been the issue with Dimma? Remaining competitive in the hope we win a final while blokes like Newman play on and others like Grigg, Houli, Pettard, Chaplin etc despite their deficiencies play week in week out?

Thats not to say I have no respect for the flag he coached in 2011 but I just do not think he is the right man for the job to coach us. If we took a coach with previous experience and even though he never won a flag I thought his former assistant from the 2011 flag in Brenton Sanderson would be someone who could get us competitive and challenging very quickly.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Diocletian on April 26, 2015, 10:50:58 PM
The Scott Brothers are both massively overrated and if you think Hardwick mollycoddles the players too much then you definitely won't want Sanderson.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on April 26, 2015, 10:59:58 PM
I actually want Roos Diocletian?
TBH for me its Roos or bust but just like many times in the past, the season we need a coach and the availability of the best possible candidate has not aligned for the RFC.
Freo look top 4 this year at worst and if Ross wins the flag he'll have the key to WA much like Malthouse did in 90's with West Coast.
If we remain stable afraid to make a call to appear mature yet wrongly conservative till Dimma's contract runs out then Roos will be available due to the agreement Roos has with Goodwin.
As I have said open cheque book, make him want to come and get him to the club.
We have to be un Richmond like in doing so otherwise we'll get someone of the ilk of Jade Rawlings to tell us what we want to hear who will then leave acrimoniously with no reputation at all.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 27, 2015, 05:42:11 AM
Don, I get your point but remember he has taken over an ageing list which has lost the nucleus of their key players from the 2007-2009 era.
Reckon he's done well to keep them going.
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 27, 2015, 07:01:21 AM
Don, I get your point but remember he has taken over an ageing list which has lost the nucleus of their key players from the 2007-2009 era.
Reckon he's done well to keep them going.

I can see both sides of the argument

But for me how Scott goes about re-building the Cats will define his coaching career. And by re-building I mean how far they have to go down and how long it takes for them to come back to being a consistent top 4 side again.

I reckon he has a massive task. Like Don I think Geelong have kept a few veterans a little too long. but I do applaud him for making the tough call on Chapman. There is a lesson right there IMHO
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 27, 2015, 07:14:25 AM
Don, I get your point but remember he has taken over an ageing list which has lost the nucleus of their key players from the 2007-2009 era.
Reckon he's done well to keep them going.

I can see both sides of the argument

But for me how Scott goes about re-building the Cats will define his coaching career. And by re-building I mean how far they have to go down and how ling it takes for them to come back to being a consistent top 4 side again.

I reckon he has a massive task. Like Don I think Geelong have kept a few veterans a little too long. but I do applaud him for making the tough call on Chaplin. There is a lesson right there IMHO
Freudian slip?
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 27, 2015, 11:19:27 AM
Freudian slip?

 Yep  ;D
Title: Re: Coach of 2017
Post by: Yeahright on April 30, 2015, 12:27:29 AM
Missed the "Chaplin" one