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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on July 10, 2015, 09:07:12 PM
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Vickery went to bump off the ball and his shoulder got Jamieson fairly but they accidentally clashed heads and Jamieson came off second best was subbed off with concussion.
Mark Stevens on Ch 7 saying ...
Careless
Off the ball
Intentional
Existing weighting
= 3 weeks
The counter argument is Nick Riewoldt earlier in the season went for Smith of the Crows and they accidentally clashed heads but nobody was looked despite both missing subsequent games due to concussion.
Who knows with the Russian roulette Match Review Panel? :huh3.
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He's been playing a lot better of late so the MRP will have to give him weeks. If he was Saint Buddy he'd get a gold medal but being evil TV he will get the death penalty.
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So you bump someone, they fall over and break their wrist, is that weeks? Can understand a high bump but accidental contact from another part of the body I just can't see how this rule works.
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The problem is the MRP will go on the resulting concussion to Jamieson. So despite the concussion occurring due the accidental head clash that followed the bump rather than the bump itself (which was fair), TV will still be pinged. His record will go against him as well.
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Giving suspensions due to how hurt the other player got is a really stupid system - IMO
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mick malthouse was right about mark stevens, some bozo runs into you coz he has no awareness and you cop 3 weeks. what a knob.
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Stalin on OER saying
Mark Stevens
Flog
Tossel
twit
Muppet
= death penalty
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Gone. Off the ball, head contact, subbed out etc
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Richmond’s Tyrone Vickery loses his tooth against Carlton and will come under Match Review Panel scrutiny
Glenn McFarlane
Herald-Sun
July 11, 2015
RICHMOND forward Ty Vickery faces a nervous wait ahead of a match review panel assessment of his high contact with Carlton’s Michael Jamison in the opening minutes of Friday night’s match.
Vickery appeared to be attempting to block Jamison’s path ahead of his opponent Jack Riewoldt when the pair had a head-clash, with the unsuspecting Blues defender coming off the worse for wear.
Jamison was dazed for a few minutes before eventually being taken from the field. He was ultimately subbed out of the game, which may not help Vickery’s cause.
Triple M’s Garry Lyon believed Vickery had a reason to be concerned, saying: “He (Vickery) instigated contact and got him in the head and that’s why he is in trouble.”
While carryover points have been abolished this year with fines introduced to replace some one-game bans, poor records can still taken into account for players who have been suspended for at least two games over the past two seasons — where their base penalty can be increased by one match.
Vickery was suspended for four matches for striking West Coast’s Dean Cox in July last year and copped a two-match ban for striking North Melbourne’s Michael Firrito in June.
Tyrone Vickery speaks to a club doctor after breaking his tooth against Carlton. Picture: Getty Source: Getty Images
The Richmond forward had his own issues later in the first term when he was on the wrong end of an errant and accidental elbow in a ruck duel with Matthew Kreuzer.
He left the field holding his jaw and sporting a broken front tooth, but he managed to return to the contest in the second quarter.
After the game, Vickery said he hoped to have his tooth back in the coming days.
“I look like a bit of a convict I think,” he joked when he spoke to Channel Seven. “I was wearing a mouthguard but it still didn’t help me.
“I heard it crack and I just didn’t want to take it out because I knew what had happened.
“It was in my mouthguard so it’s in the doctor’s pocket. Hopefully it’s being glued back on tomorrow or something.”
Richmond can ill afford to lose Vickery ahead of Sunday’s clash with St Kilda, with other important games against Fremantle and Hawthorn to come in the following weeks.
Last night’s win for the Tigers was the club’s seventh win from its past eight games.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-tyrone-vickery-loses-his-tooth-against-carlton-and-will-come-under-match-review-panel-scrutiny/story-fndv8t7m-1227437578882
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Rock up in a swans polo with an aboriginal flag inconspicuously placed somewhere.
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Carey and Ling both said crap, he should not go, he wasn't even looking at the player and it was a head clash. WTF if he goes for that.
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Don't think it was intentional. If it was then it was disguised well. It wasn't that far off the ball too. Seemed to be in play.
Maybe 1-2 weeks but could be a case where there's a chance they throw it out.
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Should be nothing, mind you what about the elbow to tv causing the broken tooth, head high contact, injury, the whole thing is a joke
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If Vickery gets suspended after Schulz got off last week then that is all the proof needed that the MRP and system is flawed beyond repair. Will be a travesty if it happens, how the hell is it Vickery's fault if a numbskull with no awareness runs into a legitimate shepherd? :thumbsdown :thumbsdown :thumbsdown :thumbsdown
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Really who knows
It's the MRP we are talking about so anything could happen
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Even Finey the tool bag said he should be clear.
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Giving suspensions due to how hurt the other player got is a really stupid system - IMO
sometimes it does happen - I couldnt agree more with you!
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Just watched the replay of this, NO F.... WAY he should go for this!!
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Buddy got away with deliberately ironing out Edwards, but Vickery will get ironed out for weeks for bracing for impact against some feckless fool running into him.
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nailed it Owl.
They give little to no consideration to intent, just how injured the player is.
Dick Heads Incorporated.
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Well the Kruz should go too.
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Existing weighting
Does he have existing weighting? Since the new MRP wiped it all clear didn't they, hence Buddy got off light?
Tim Watson thought he should get suspended because he "bumped him high". Any idiot can see it was a head clash
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clearly you are wrong, as there is at least one idiot who cant see it
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yeah if Maric got a week for an errant elbow Keuzersteins monster should get a week for knocking out one of Vickery's choppers, but Vickery will probably get 2 extra weeks for biting lol
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Just thinking about this
The shoulder bump was fine, the 2 heads clashing accidental surely should be in the clear??
If there was no concussion no one would be talking about it.
If reckless then Vickery has also put himself in danger.
As a note if Vickery had been the one with concussion what would the result have been??
If he doesn't get off there is something fishy going on IMHO
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2 Weeks , are they kidding
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Dead set rubbish. How the bloody hell can they say rough contact and then give him two weeks. It's just a load of horse poo!!!!! :banghead :banghead :help
While Fyfe and Mitchel get off. FFS!!!
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Richmond needs to contest that penalty because that is totally rubbish.
Franklin got off WTF :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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And fyfe can punch someone in the face
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Contest and show the pic of Goodes grabbing hunts nackers for character.
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Franklins bump was way worse. System is corrupt
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rubbish decision
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rubbish indeed....
the system is not about intent anymore....too much emphysis on "impact".
having said that...their definition of impact is laughable....mitchell's knee on fyfe was assessed as intentional but LOW impact?? last time i checked fyfe was subbed off for the corkie....
so we should definitely contest this.....as even if we fail..it's still going to be 2 matches, nothing to lose by taking it to the tribunal..
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>:(
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So let me get this straight. Buddy can run past the ball and intentionally hit a bloke in the head with his shoulder and only get a week (apparently no bad record :lol), yet Ty can't brace himself to block someone running in because they accidentally clashed heads? I don't care who it is, that is absolutely stuffing rubbish.
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And RIchmond are peeweak not challenging.
Typical
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And RIchmond are peeweak not challenging.
Typical
What are talking about Ox?
MRP findings were only released just after 5pm tonight and the club have until tomorrow to challenge
Don't think any decision has been made
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And RIchmond are peeweak not challenging.
Typical
What are talking about Ox?
MRP findings were only released just after 5pm tonight and the club have until tomorrow to challenge
Don't think any decision has been made
lol wake up WP we all know what they are going to do. Risk 3 or accept 2, come on.
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So let me get this straight. Buddy can run past the ball and intentionally hit a bloke in the head with his shoulder and only get a week (apparently no bad record :lol), yet Ty can't brace himself to block someone running in because they accidentally clashed heads?
Yep
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And RIchmond are peeweak not challenging.
Typical
What are talking about Ox?
MRP findings were only released just after 5pm tonight and the club have until tomorrow to challenge
Don't think any decision has been made
lol wake up WP we all know what they are going to do. Risk 3 or accept 2, come on.
Believe if they challenge and lose it remains at 2
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This is an absolute miscarriage of justice. He is innocent of all charges , it was a head clash FFS :banghead
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Speechless .......and Buddy only got one .FMD
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We won't be challenging as Vickery's "bad" record bumped what was a 2-week offence up to 3 weeks. Not challenging and taking the early plea will knock it back down to 2 weeks.
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Ty Vickery, Richmond, has been charged with charged with engaging in rough conduct against Michael Jamison, Carlton, during the first quarter of the Round 15 match between Richmond and Carlton, played at the MCG on Friday July 10, 2015.
In summary, due to an existing poor record, his two-match suspension would remain at a two-match penalty if he accepted an early plea.
Based on the video evidence available and a medical report from the Carlton Football Club, it was the view of the panel the incident should be classified as careless conduct with medium impact to the head. This offence was classified as a two-match sanction. The player has an applicable bad record which increases the penalty to a three-match sanction. An early plea can reduce the penalty to a two-match sanction.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-13/match-review-panel-full-statement-round-15
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stuff off
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Should have just punched Jamison in the face like Petrie did on Mackie and only got a week.
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Has anyone ever done a statistical analysis of the tribunal vs public opinion? I would not be surprised if you took 1000 public opinions at random of each event as the control then the tribunal over history would exhibit almost random behavior.
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This is an absolute miscarriage of justice. He is innocent of all charges , it was a head clash FFS :banghead
He is being penalised for an unintended consequence of his actions. In my opinion the bump was lawful therefore it appears what has got him into trouble was the accidental head clash. It appears to me that the system is geared towards looking at the consequences of actions rather than the actions themselves. Hence Jamieson received a concussion Vickery must be found guilty of something.
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Lol @ Vickery's bad record. Buddy's bad record counted for nothing.
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This is an absolute miscarriage of justice. He is innocent of all charges , it was a head clash FFS :banghead
He is being penalised for an unintended consequence of his actions. In my opinion the bump was lawful therefore it appears what has got him into trouble was the accidental head clash. It appears to me that the system is geared towards looking at the consequences of actions rather than the actions themselves. Hence Jamieson received a concussion Vickery must be found guilty of something.
Richards missed a game because of concussion and Schulz got off.
I thought the MRP was fixed?
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Nothing else other than the actual incident should be taken into consideration regarding these cases. Unfortunately this has not been the case, as said on SEN this morning the tribunal has wanted to remind Vickery that they are watching him. FFS, really, that is crap, why the hell aren't they watching Buddy and half the offenders in the game. The decision was crap.
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Agreed... Finey is a flog
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If it's all about impact (and resulting injury), I say bring on the open hand slap to the face. All 22 of our players to slap the opposition player for every remaining game of the year
(http://esq.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/06/54d4266c44124_-_.gif)
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If the ball hadn't been 40 metres away he probably would've got off....
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If the ball hadn't been 40 metres away he probably would've got off....
Too bad those bumps happen 100 times a game
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Half these players wouldn't even be cited if the media and the tv broadcasters in particular didn't keep making an issue of every stuffing incident with endless replays and hypotheticals of what should/will happen before the match is even over or anyone's even been charged....