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Title: Newman and Batch
Post by: WA Tiger on July 19, 2015, 05:04:22 PM
Forget these two, one can't chase and the other can't hit the side of a barn,.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on July 19, 2015, 05:23:39 PM
Newy just kicked a goal... deserves another 1 yr contract  :clapping
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: WA Tiger on July 19, 2015, 05:25:37 PM
Newy just kicked a goal... deserves another 1 yr contract  :clapping

 :lol, will probably get it.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Simonator on July 19, 2015, 05:57:12 PM
I don't mind batch. Tough and a role player
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: WA Tiger on July 19, 2015, 06:10:13 PM
I don't mind batch. Tough and a role player

He will cost us games!
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Stalin on July 19, 2015, 06:11:13 PM
Why is batch on mcctain
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Jonah Vark on July 19, 2015, 07:29:01 PM
Because he was all over Rance?
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: The Machine on July 19, 2015, 07:39:34 PM
Nothing wrong with Batch.....playing good footy. Newman on the other hand :P
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Lozza on July 19, 2015, 07:43:22 PM
Look up the word "zero" in the dictionary and there's a picture of Newman. Gives nothing to the side, waste of a spot and if he doesn't retire end of year then the club isn't serious about developing this side.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Stalin on July 19, 2015, 08:27:38 PM
Because he was all over Rance?

Did he??

I was focusing on Chaplin ...

Bach played well FROM WHAT I SAW , Mccartin is fairky rubbish. I have been told Bach was not good so I will focus on the replay

Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: rogerd3 on July 19, 2015, 09:19:29 PM
Newman going around next year. :lol
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Francois Jackson on July 19, 2015, 09:32:07 PM
Newman going around next year. :lol

"he" hasnt decided yet

 :lol
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Lozza on July 20, 2015, 06:50:01 PM
Just wanted to pose a couple of questions given the overwhelming consensus on here is that Newman is a waste of space. Given you would assume that the RFC football department want to have the best team possible on the park each week which in turn provides our best opportunity to play and actually win a final which in turn will keep RFC coaches, consultants etc. etc. in a job..... what possibly can their thinking process be that enables Newman to to be selected without question each week? What aren't we as supporters seeing during games that the powers that be are seeing for him to keep his spot each week, absolutely baffling?
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Willy on July 20, 2015, 06:52:19 PM
I'm sure their defence would include the word "leadership"
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Lozza on July 20, 2015, 06:59:39 PM
I'm sure their defence would include the word "leadership"
Maybe we all need to contribute to the purchase of a dictionary with the page containing the word "leadership" bookmarked and present it to Hardwick and Co. and ask them how the definition applies in Newman's case, cant see it myself.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Penelope on July 20, 2015, 09:59:18 PM
ive asked this before, but id like to know people's definition of leadership.

It's not as easy you'd think to define, and people will often answer with examples rather than a definition
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Stalin on July 21, 2015, 03:33:33 AM
L hodge
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: MintOnLamb on July 21, 2015, 07:53:29 AM
S Mitchell
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Penelope on July 21, 2015, 08:07:26 AM
told you it wasnt easy.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Stalin on July 21, 2015, 08:41:31 AM
L hodge 08 gf


Easy
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Stalin on July 21, 2015, 09:02:14 AM
Vlastuin :shh
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: tigs2011 on July 21, 2015, 11:51:13 AM
That was Newmans best game of the year.  :lol
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Penelope on July 21, 2015, 03:45:46 PM
if i'd asked for players that provide leadership, youd get full marks bents, but i asked fo a definition of leadership, so you get 0
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Stalin on July 21, 2015, 03:59:39 PM
'The action of leading'
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Penelope on July 21, 2015, 04:04:45 PM
 :lol

Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on July 21, 2015, 04:25:45 PM
the action of leading a group of people or an organization, or the ability to do this. :P
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Simonator on July 21, 2015, 05:08:20 PM
The ability to teach, conduct and take control of a group of people.  Hitler had great leadership
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Willy on July 21, 2015, 06:08:32 PM
Simply, the ability to influence.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Penelope on July 21, 2015, 06:22:54 PM
yeah, influence rather than control
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: mat073 on July 21, 2015, 06:36:52 PM
What position does Newman play these days . I seriously have no idea. Is it some kind of ambassadorial role for ex captains.

Sure Newy used to be able to kick the odd 60m bomb....but I think someone like Matt Thomas might add more to the team now .
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: WA Tiger on July 26, 2015, 07:30:08 AM
Batch; 8 possessions....Really. Half of you would say he did his job, crap, just like Morris this one, goes missing and does very little. Across the back line in his position he should be repelling their attack, he doesn't do that.

Dea must come in for this bloke!!
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: WA Tiger on July 26, 2015, 07:46:36 AM
Me no understand.......whhhhhhhyyy is he in the team.
It makes no sense whatsoever.
In the game against freo, Newman was a definite liability

Well Newman went better than Batch, i like him in the forward pocket.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Penelope on July 26, 2015, 08:48:47 AM
me too, for the vfl team
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 26, 2015, 08:52:16 AM
Batch; 8 possessions....Really. Half of you would say he did his job, crap, just like Morris this one, goes missing and does very little. Across the back line in his position he should be repelling their attack, he doesn't do that.

Dea must come in for this bloke!!

But did do his job WAT. I get you don't like him so no matter what he does you are likely to find fault

but seriously

What are his direct opponents numbers? He beat MAyne and that was his job.

His job was to lock down his opponent not play the sweeping running HB, the Vlastuin role. He did that.

Yep he made a couple of terrible blunders but he beat his opponent and that is his number priority

He was the least of our problems yesterday
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: WA Tiger on July 26, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Batch; 8 possessions....Really. Half of you would say he did his job, crap, just like Morris this one, goes missing and does very little. Across the back line in his position he should be repelling their attack, he doesn't do that.

Dea must come in for this bloke!!

But did do his job WAT. I get you don't like him so no matter what he does you are likely to find fault

but seriously

What are his direct opponents numbers? He beat MAyne and that was his job.

His job was to lock down his opponent not play the sweeping running HB, the Vlastuin role. He did that.

Yep he made a couple of terrible blunders but he beat his opponent and that is his number priority

He was the least of our problems yesterday

Yeah did his job just like Morris and now Morris is where he belongs and Batch should be the same. I like every player in the team but when they add little value what is the point, I said he went well two games ago but other than that he has nothing and his disposal is worse that your mate Grigg.

Mayne picked up 13 possessions and kicked a very important goal, so who really won that battle??

His blunders cost us dearly, they have in the past and they will in the future. Blunders in the backline we can't afford.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: big tone on July 26, 2015, 10:13:25 AM
Batch; 8 possessions....Really. Half of you would say he did his job, crap, just like Morris this one, goes missing and does very little. Across the back line in his position he should be repelling their attack, he doesn't do that.

Dea must come in for this bloke!!

But did do his job WAT. I get you don't like him so no matter what he does you are likely to find fault

but seriously

What are his direct opponents numbers? He beat MAyne and that was his job.

His job was to lock down his opponent not play the sweeping running HB, the Vlastuin role. He did that.

Yep he made a couple of terrible blunders but he beat his opponent and that is his number priority

He was the least of our problems yesterday
WP you do exactly the same as you are saying WA does. We all do.  Newman did well yesterday yet you want to pull him up for holding on to the ball to long. Newman was the least of our problems yesterday. He kicked 2 goals in a low scoring game. That's more than any other of our forwards yesterday.
So before pulling other blokes up for it make sure you don't do the same..

And lastly, how did you rate our leaders yesterday? Usually if we lose you automatically say they were poor.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 26, 2015, 05:11:21 PM

And lastly, how did you rate our leaders yesterday? Usually if we lose you automatically say they were poor.

Thought I had given a fair indication of my thoughts on the captains missed goal and Maric's game

But here you go, what I thought of our leaders yesterday.

Our leadership group is Cotchin, Deledio, Maric, Chaplin, Morris,

Cotchin - let himself down missing both shots at goal. The one in the last was woeful. So yeah he was poor

Deledio - yet again went missing against the Dockers for long periods. Thought it was his worst game in a long while

Maric - his best game in while. That tackle on Fyfe was leadership. Kicked a couple of clutch goals - was our best "leader" yesterday. Set the example

Chaplin - his best game of 2015. Was really good, was the the best of the back 6 yesterday

Morris - didn't play. Not that I understand how he got in the leadership group in the first place but that's another discussion altogether

Others: Jack let himself and his team down missing a couple of sitters. His main job is to kick goals, he missed ones he just has to kick

Vlastuin - leader in waiting this young man. I'd have him in the leadership group ASAP as he he is a future captain, not a doubt in my mind. Just a natural born leader, especially by example
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Penelope on July 26, 2015, 05:15:10 PM
just pee the leadership group off and have a captain and vc. new age gay crap.

everyone should be encouraged to show leadership regardless of if they have a label or not.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Gigantor on July 26, 2015, 05:15:51 PM
WP as I mentioned in another thread ..you need a sledge hammer to knock this kid(Floss) down..amongst the guys I sit with we refer to him simply as "see ball get ball".
if this type of play is not leadership I don't know what is
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Stalin on July 26, 2015, 05:16:43 PM
Vlastuin is special

Miles was top draw
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: big tone on July 26, 2015, 09:29:07 PM

And lastly, how did you rate our leaders yesterday? Usually if we lose you automatically say they were poor.

Thought I had given a fair indication of my thoughts on the captains missed goal and Maric's game

But here you go, what I thought of our leaders yesterday.

Our leadership group is Cotchin, Deledio, Maric, Chaplin, Morris,

Cotchin - let himself down missing both shots at goal. The one in the last was woeful. So yeah he was poor

Deledio - yet again went missing against the Dockers for long periods. Thought it was his worst game in a long while

Maric - his best game in while. That tackle on Fyfe was leadership. Kicked a couple of clutch goals - was our best "leader" yesterday. Set the example

Chaplin - his best game of 2015. Was really good, was the the best of the back 6 yesterday

Morris - didn't play. Not that I understand how he got in the leadership group in the first place but that's another discussion altogether

Others: Jack let himself and his team down missing a couple of sitters. His main job is to kick goals, he missed ones he just has to kick

Vlastuin - leader in waiting this young man. I'd have him in the leadership group ASAP as he he is a future captain, not a doubt in my mind. Just a natural born leader, especially by example
So if Cotch plays well (named our best) and leads the side well for the entire game but misses 2 goals his leadership for the entire game is questioned?
Newsflash! Players miss goals every week, even captains! Even the greats!
It's unreasonable to think Cotch is going to kick every goal he has a go at in close games.

Does anyone else think Trent's leadership was poor yesterday?
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Stalin on July 26, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
Chimp is a god
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 26, 2015, 09:57:39 PM

So if Cotch plays well (named our best) and leads the side well for the entire game but misses 2 goals his leadership for the entire game is questioned?


Hmmmm double standards perhaps?

Ellis was named in our best as well and you like me reckon he wasn't in our best, nowhere near it

But in the case of Ellis the named best are wrong

but in the case of Cotchin they are always Right; can never be wrong?

Not sure you can have it both ways

Just because he is our best player doesn't mean Cotchin cannot be criticised like any other player

Granted being captain there is a greater focus but that's because being captain he has greater responsibility. and that's why yesterday's misses are so hard to take.

People are bashing Houli for his stupid brain fade (rightly), Martin for his misses, why not Cotchin, he can't be immune to the same criticism

Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Yeahright on July 26, 2015, 10:15:26 PM

Maric - his best game in while. That tackle on Fyfe was leadership. Kicked a couple of clutch goals - was our best "leader" yesterday. Set the example


How are two goals in the 2nd quarter when everythings going our way an example of leadership? That tackle was sensational and I'm not arguing whether he had his best game for a long while but apart from his spurt in the 2nd quarter which included that tackle and the two goals (one from a pretty dubious free kick, although it was there) he didn't provide much else.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Stalin on July 26, 2015, 10:18:56 PM
Chimp  = god ?
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: big tone on July 26, 2015, 11:53:41 PM

So if Cotch plays well (named our best) and leads the side well for the entire game but misses 2 goals his leadership for the entire game is questioned?


Hmmmm double standards perhaps?

Ellis was named in our best as well and you like me reckon he wasn't in our best, nowhere near it

But in the case of Ellis the named best are wrong

but in the case of Cotchin they are always Right; can never be wrong?

Not sure you can have it both ways

Just because he is our best player doesn't mean Cotchin cannot be criticised like any other player

Granted being captain there is a greater focus but that's because being captain he has greater responsibility. and that's why yesterday's misses are so hard to take.

People are bashing Houli for his stupid brain fade (rightly), Martin for his misses, why not Cotchin, he can't be immune to the same criticism
What? Double standards?
I think Cotch played well and lead well. He missed a couple of goals but as I said everybody does. It doesn't mean he wasn't a good leader. Saying he was named in the best was just backing up my argument that he actually played well..
I don't think Ellis played well and am very surprised he was named in the best, not sure how one has anything to do with the other, especially when you agree.
We are talking about leadership, and every week if we loose you question the leaders. It's way to simplistic and I'm sure you know that.
If it wasn't for Cotch, Lids, Rance, Jack, Dusty and for a while Maric, we would be a bottom 4 side. May want to keep that in mind every time you question them.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 27, 2015, 07:05:56 AM
What? Double standards?
I think Cotch played well and lead well. He missed a couple of goals but as I said everybody does. It doesn't mean he wasn't a good leader. Saying he was named in the best was just backing up my argument that he actually played well..
I don't think Ellis played well and am very surprised he was named in the best, not sure how one has anything to do with the other, especially when you agree.

Double standards because you think like me Ellis wasn't in the best so clearly you believe that part of the bests was wrong

I don't think Cotchin played that well, crucial moment he let himself & his side down. I don't think he was one of the bests and you do and that's your right. But you used that him being named in the best was enough to back your argument that he was one of our best.

When you disagree with the best they are wrong but when you agree they are right...

Yes I am very critical of our leaders when they go missing and they go missing a lot, yes they are young I get that but they are still the leaders.

As leaders their job is lead, set an example and when things are crap attempt to drag the team along; to get them going. When your captain misses a set shot 30 odd metres out at a crucial time in the game then he should be criticised.

And let's not forget that people who know a bit more than me (former AFL captains) are highly critical of his misses than me and I reckon their collective views carry some weight.

We lost 2 games earlier in the year that we shouldn't of that will likely cause us to miss top 4 and what do those 2 losses have in common? Our leaders going missing at crunch time.

Simplistic? No, like it or not the expectations are greater on those players (rightly) because they are the leaders. And just because they are leaders doesn't mean they are immune from criticism at the same level as the easy targets
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: Francois Jackson on July 27, 2015, 08:06:42 AM
On the money WP. I would argue the miss from 30 metres is as bad a brain fade than Houlis.

Captain missing at a vital time was shocking and not for the first time.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: big tone on July 27, 2015, 04:51:30 PM
What? Double standards?
I think Cotch played well and lead well. He missed a couple of goals but as I said everybody does. It doesn't mean he wasn't a good leader. Saying he was named in the best was just backing up my argument that he actually played well..
I don't think Ellis played well and am very surprised he was named in the best, not sure how one has anything to do with the other, especially when you agree.

Double standards because you think like me Ellis wasn't in the best so clearly you believe that part of the bests was wrong

I don't think Cotchin played that well, crucial moment he let himself & his side down. I don't think he was one of the bests and you do and that's your right. But you used that him being named in the best was enough to back your argument that he was one of our best.

When you disagree with the best they are wrong but when you agree they are right...

Yes I am very critical of our leaders when they go missing and they go missing a lot, yes they are young I get that but they are still the leaders.

As leaders their job is lead, set an example and when things are crap attempt to drag the team along; to get them going. When your captain misses a set shot 30 odd metres out at a crucial time in the game then he should be criticised.

And let's not forget that people who know a bit more than me (former AFL captains) are highly critical of his misses than me and I reckon their collective views carry some weight.

We lost 2 games earlier in the year that we shouldn't of that will likely cause us to miss top 4 and what do those 2 losses have in common? Our leaders going missing at crunch time.

Simplistic? No, like it or not the expectations are greater on those players (rightly) because they are the leaders. And just because they are leaders doesn't mean they are immune from criticism at the same level as the easy targets
It's simplistic because you are basing your opinion of leadership on kicking for goal.
You wouldn't know the first thing about any of our leaders. How they train, what they are like in meetings, what they are like before games and even what they are like on the ground and at breaks. All you see is Trent missing a goal and say he lacked in leadership. You can still be a good leader and miss a goal even if it's a crucial one. All it does is show is he is human and misses goals like every other captain and footballer. Even the great Tony Lockett missed 31% of the time.
Sure we would all like him to kick at 100% in every game every year but even the dumbest of supporters can see that it's just not possible.
Who do you consider as a great leader from another club? Do they go missing at stages of games? Do they miss goals? Pretty sure if you are honest with yourself the answer is yes.

And lastely Not sure if you read Johno Browns article last week but he rates Trent's leadership pretty highly and I'd take what he says over most other peanuts in the media.
Title: Re: Newman and Batch
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 27, 2015, 05:14:19 PM
It's simplistic because you are basing your opinion of leadership on kicking for goal.

No actually I don't, leadership has much more to do with it than that. But if you want to believe that's all I base it on then again that's your call. We can debate/discuss it until the cows come home but you are fixated on the missed goals. I will repeat leadership is much more than that.

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You wouldn't know the first thing about any of our leaders. How they train, what they are like in meetings, what they are like before games and even what they are like on the ground and at breaks. All you see is Trent missing a goal and say he lacked in leadership. You can still be a good leader and miss a goal even if it's a crucial one. All it does is show is he is human and misses goals like every other captain and footballer. Even the great Tony Lockett missed 31% of the time.
Sure we would all like him to kick at 100% in every game every year but even the dumbest of supporters can see that it's just not possible.

No need for the insult BTW - we disagree but why do you have to use comments like "even the dumbest supporters"? Just because people don't agree with you you seem to drop an insult in.

But any way back to your statement "You wouldn't know the first thing about any of our leaders...." Would and could argue either do you so it is a mute point. 

As I said this has more to do with him missing goals. Go back to the Swans game - that third quarter was one of the finest examples of leadership you will ever see. That had nothing to do with goals, it had to do with dragging your players along and inspiring them, that's what he did that Friday night. He didn't do that on Saturday in the last qtr and that's my point

But seeing you want to focus on that. The missing goals highlights a glaring weakness in his leadership both Carey & Ling (both premiership captains) & even Harley last year (another premiership captain) have commented on and I think thier collective views carry a fair bit of merit. Or is only Jono Brown's opinion worthy?

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Who do you consider as a great leader from another club? Do they go missing at stages of games? Do they miss goals? Pretty sure if you are honest with yourself the answer is yes.

And lastely Not sure if you read Johno Browns article last week but he rates Trent's leadership pretty highly and I'd take what he says over most other peanuts in the media.

Actually if you read my comments in the Jonathon Brown article then you'd know who I rate as an outstanding leader and that's Luke Hodge. Yes I am sure he's missed a few goals in time but he's kicked some clutch ones.

And just on Brown's article he actually compared Cotchin to Hodge and said they were practically on par. And FWIW I actually posted in that thread that based on Saturday's game they aren't