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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on July 19, 2015, 05:04:22 PM
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Forget these two, one can't chase and the other can't hit the side of a barn,.
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Newy just kicked a goal... deserves another 1 yr contract :clapping
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Newy just kicked a goal... deserves another 1 yr contract :clapping
:lol, will probably get it.
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I don't mind batch. Tough and a role player
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I don't mind batch. Tough and a role player
He will cost us games!
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Why is batch on mcctain
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Because he was all over Rance?
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Nothing wrong with Batch.....playing good footy. Newman on the other hand :P
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Look up the word "zero" in the dictionary and there's a picture of Newman. Gives nothing to the side, waste of a spot and if he doesn't retire end of year then the club isn't serious about developing this side.
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Because he was all over Rance?
Did he??
I was focusing on Chaplin ...
Bach played well FROM WHAT I SAW , Mccartin is fairky rubbish. I have been told Bach was not good so I will focus on the replay
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Newman going around next year. :lol
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Newman going around next year. :lol
"he" hasnt decided yet
:lol
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Just wanted to pose a couple of questions given the overwhelming consensus on here is that Newman is a waste of space. Given you would assume that the RFC football department want to have the best team possible on the park each week which in turn provides our best opportunity to play and actually win a final which in turn will keep RFC coaches, consultants etc. etc. in a job..... what possibly can their thinking process be that enables Newman to to be selected without question each week? What aren't we as supporters seeing during games that the powers that be are seeing for him to keep his spot each week, absolutely baffling?
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I'm sure their defence would include the word "leadership"
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I'm sure their defence would include the word "leadership"
Maybe we all need to contribute to the purchase of a dictionary with the page containing the word "leadership" bookmarked and present it to Hardwick and Co. and ask them how the definition applies in Newman's case, cant see it myself.
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ive asked this before, but id like to know people's definition of leadership.
It's not as easy you'd think to define, and people will often answer with examples rather than a definition
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L hodge
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S Mitchell
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told you it wasnt easy.
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L hodge 08 gf
Easy
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Vlastuin :shh
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That was Newmans best game of the year. :lol
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if i'd asked for players that provide leadership, youd get full marks bents, but i asked fo a definition of leadership, so you get 0
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'The action of leading'
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:lol
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the action of leading a group of people or an organization, or the ability to do this. :P
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The ability to teach, conduct and take control of a group of people. Hitler had great leadership
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Simply, the ability to influence.
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yeah, influence rather than control
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What position does Newman play these days . I seriously have no idea. Is it some kind of ambassadorial role for ex captains.
Sure Newy used to be able to kick the odd 60m bomb....but I think someone like Matt Thomas might add more to the team now .
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Batch; 8 possessions....Really. Half of you would say he did his job, crap, just like Morris this one, goes missing and does very little. Across the back line in his position he should be repelling their attack, he doesn't do that.
Dea must come in for this bloke!!
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Me no understand.......whhhhhhhyyy is he in the team.
It makes no sense whatsoever.
In the game against freo, Newman was a definite liability
Well Newman went better than Batch, i like him in the forward pocket.
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me too, for the vfl team
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Batch; 8 possessions....Really. Half of you would say he did his job, crap, just like Morris this one, goes missing and does very little. Across the back line in his position he should be repelling their attack, he doesn't do that.
Dea must come in for this bloke!!
But did do his job WAT. I get you don't like him so no matter what he does you are likely to find fault
but seriously
What are his direct opponents numbers? He beat MAyne and that was his job.
His job was to lock down his opponent not play the sweeping running HB, the Vlastuin role. He did that.
Yep he made a couple of terrible blunders but he beat his opponent and that is his number priority
He was the least of our problems yesterday
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Batch; 8 possessions....Really. Half of you would say he did his job, crap, just like Morris this one, goes missing and does very little. Across the back line in his position he should be repelling their attack, he doesn't do that.
Dea must come in for this bloke!!
But did do his job WAT. I get you don't like him so no matter what he does you are likely to find fault
but seriously
What are his direct opponents numbers? He beat MAyne and that was his job.
His job was to lock down his opponent not play the sweeping running HB, the Vlastuin role. He did that.
Yep he made a couple of terrible blunders but he beat his opponent and that is his number priority
He was the least of our problems yesterday
Yeah did his job just like Morris and now Morris is where he belongs and Batch should be the same. I like every player in the team but when they add little value what is the point, I said he went well two games ago but other than that he has nothing and his disposal is worse that your mate Grigg.
Mayne picked up 13 possessions and kicked a very important goal, so who really won that battle??
His blunders cost us dearly, they have in the past and they will in the future. Blunders in the backline we can't afford.
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Batch; 8 possessions....Really. Half of you would say he did his job, crap, just like Morris this one, goes missing and does very little. Across the back line in his position he should be repelling their attack, he doesn't do that.
Dea must come in for this bloke!!
But did do his job WAT. I get you don't like him so no matter what he does you are likely to find fault
but seriously
What are his direct opponents numbers? He beat MAyne and that was his job.
His job was to lock down his opponent not play the sweeping running HB, the Vlastuin role. He did that.
Yep he made a couple of terrible blunders but he beat his opponent and that is his number priority
He was the least of our problems yesterday
WP you do exactly the same as you are saying WA does. We all do. Newman did well yesterday yet you want to pull him up for holding on to the ball to long. Newman was the least of our problems yesterday. He kicked 2 goals in a low scoring game. That's more than any other of our forwards yesterday.
So before pulling other blokes up for it make sure you don't do the same..
And lastly, how did you rate our leaders yesterday? Usually if we lose you automatically say they were poor.
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And lastly, how did you rate our leaders yesterday? Usually if we lose you automatically say they were poor.
Thought I had given a fair indication of my thoughts on the captains missed goal and Maric's game
But here you go, what I thought of our leaders yesterday.
Our leadership group is Cotchin, Deledio, Maric, Chaplin, Morris,
Cotchin - let himself down missing both shots at goal. The one in the last was woeful. So yeah he was poor
Deledio - yet again went missing against the Dockers for long periods. Thought it was his worst game in a long while
Maric - his best game in while. That tackle on Fyfe was leadership. Kicked a couple of clutch goals - was our best "leader" yesterday. Set the example
Chaplin - his best game of 2015. Was really good, was the the best of the back 6 yesterday
Morris - didn't play. Not that I understand how he got in the leadership group in the first place but that's another discussion altogether
Others: Jack let himself and his team down missing a couple of sitters. His main job is to kick goals, he missed ones he just has to kick
Vlastuin - leader in waiting this young man. I'd have him in the leadership group ASAP as he he is a future captain, not a doubt in my mind. Just a natural born leader, especially by example
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just pee the leadership group off and have a captain and vc. new age gay crap.
everyone should be encouraged to show leadership regardless of if they have a label or not.
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WP as I mentioned in another thread ..you need a sledge hammer to knock this kid(Floss) down..amongst the guys I sit with we refer to him simply as "see ball get ball".
if this type of play is not leadership I don't know what is
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Vlastuin is special
Miles was top draw
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And lastly, how did you rate our leaders yesterday? Usually if we lose you automatically say they were poor.
Thought I had given a fair indication of my thoughts on the captains missed goal and Maric's game
But here you go, what I thought of our leaders yesterday.
Our leadership group is Cotchin, Deledio, Maric, Chaplin, Morris,
Cotchin - let himself down missing both shots at goal. The one in the last was woeful. So yeah he was poor
Deledio - yet again went missing against the Dockers for long periods. Thought it was his worst game in a long while
Maric - his best game in while. That tackle on Fyfe was leadership. Kicked a couple of clutch goals - was our best "leader" yesterday. Set the example
Chaplin - his best game of 2015. Was really good, was the the best of the back 6 yesterday
Morris - didn't play. Not that I understand how he got in the leadership group in the first place but that's another discussion altogether
Others: Jack let himself and his team down missing a couple of sitters. His main job is to kick goals, he missed ones he just has to kick
Vlastuin - leader in waiting this young man. I'd have him in the leadership group ASAP as he he is a future captain, not a doubt in my mind. Just a natural born leader, especially by example
So if Cotch plays well (named our best) and leads the side well for the entire game but misses 2 goals his leadership for the entire game is questioned?
Newsflash! Players miss goals every week, even captains! Even the greats!
It's unreasonable to think Cotch is going to kick every goal he has a go at in close games.
Does anyone else think Trent's leadership was poor yesterday?
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Chimp is a god
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So if Cotch plays well (named our best) and leads the side well for the entire game but misses 2 goals his leadership for the entire game is questioned?
Hmmmm double standards perhaps?
Ellis was named in our best as well and you like me reckon he wasn't in our best, nowhere near it
But in the case of Ellis the named best are wrong
but in the case of Cotchin they are always Right; can never be wrong?
Not sure you can have it both ways
Just because he is our best player doesn't mean Cotchin cannot be criticised like any other player
Granted being captain there is a greater focus but that's because being captain he has greater responsibility. and that's why yesterday's misses are so hard to take.
People are bashing Houli for his stupid brain fade (rightly), Martin for his misses, why not Cotchin, he can't be immune to the same criticism
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Maric - his best game in while. That tackle on Fyfe was leadership. Kicked a couple of clutch goals - was our best "leader" yesterday. Set the example
How are two goals in the 2nd quarter when everythings going our way an example of leadership? That tackle was sensational and I'm not arguing whether he had his best game for a long while but apart from his spurt in the 2nd quarter which included that tackle and the two goals (one from a pretty dubious free kick, although it was there) he didn't provide much else.
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Chimp = god ?
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So if Cotch plays well (named our best) and leads the side well for the entire game but misses 2 goals his leadership for the entire game is questioned?
Hmmmm double standards perhaps?
Ellis was named in our best as well and you like me reckon he wasn't in our best, nowhere near it
But in the case of Ellis the named best are wrong
but in the case of Cotchin they are always Right; can never be wrong?
Not sure you can have it both ways
Just because he is our best player doesn't mean Cotchin cannot be criticised like any other player
Granted being captain there is a greater focus but that's because being captain he has greater responsibility. and that's why yesterday's misses are so hard to take.
People are bashing Houli for his stupid brain fade (rightly), Martin for his misses, why not Cotchin, he can't be immune to the same criticism
What? Double standards?
I think Cotch played well and lead well. He missed a couple of goals but as I said everybody does. It doesn't mean he wasn't a good leader. Saying he was named in the best was just backing up my argument that he actually played well..
I don't think Ellis played well and am very surprised he was named in the best, not sure how one has anything to do with the other, especially when you agree.
We are talking about leadership, and every week if we loose you question the leaders. It's way to simplistic and I'm sure you know that.
If it wasn't for Cotch, Lids, Rance, Jack, Dusty and for a while Maric, we would be a bottom 4 side. May want to keep that in mind every time you question them.
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What? Double standards?
I think Cotch played well and lead well. He missed a couple of goals but as I said everybody does. It doesn't mean he wasn't a good leader. Saying he was named in the best was just backing up my argument that he actually played well..
I don't think Ellis played well and am very surprised he was named in the best, not sure how one has anything to do with the other, especially when you agree.
Double standards because you think like me Ellis wasn't in the best so clearly you believe that part of the bests was wrong
I don't think Cotchin played that well, crucial moment he let himself & his side down. I don't think he was one of the bests and you do and that's your right. But you used that him being named in the best was enough to back your argument that he was one of our best.
When you disagree with the best they are wrong but when you agree they are right...
Yes I am very critical of our leaders when they go missing and they go missing a lot, yes they are young I get that but they are still the leaders.
As leaders their job is lead, set an example and when things are crap attempt to drag the team along; to get them going. When your captain misses a set shot 30 odd metres out at a crucial time in the game then he should be criticised.
And let's not forget that people who know a bit more than me (former AFL captains) are highly critical of his misses than me and I reckon their collective views carry some weight.
We lost 2 games earlier in the year that we shouldn't of that will likely cause us to miss top 4 and what do those 2 losses have in common? Our leaders going missing at crunch time.
Simplistic? No, like it or not the expectations are greater on those players (rightly) because they are the leaders. And just because they are leaders doesn't mean they are immune from criticism at the same level as the easy targets
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On the money WP. I would argue the miss from 30 metres is as bad a brain fade than Houlis.
Captain missing at a vital time was shocking and not for the first time.
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What? Double standards?
I think Cotch played well and lead well. He missed a couple of goals but as I said everybody does. It doesn't mean he wasn't a good leader. Saying he was named in the best was just backing up my argument that he actually played well..
I don't think Ellis played well and am very surprised he was named in the best, not sure how one has anything to do with the other, especially when you agree.
Double standards because you think like me Ellis wasn't in the best so clearly you believe that part of the bests was wrong
I don't think Cotchin played that well, crucial moment he let himself & his side down. I don't think he was one of the bests and you do and that's your right. But you used that him being named in the best was enough to back your argument that he was one of our best.
When you disagree with the best they are wrong but when you agree they are right...
Yes I am very critical of our leaders when they go missing and they go missing a lot, yes they are young I get that but they are still the leaders.
As leaders their job is lead, set an example and when things are crap attempt to drag the team along; to get them going. When your captain misses a set shot 30 odd metres out at a crucial time in the game then he should be criticised.
And let's not forget that people who know a bit more than me (former AFL captains) are highly critical of his misses than me and I reckon their collective views carry some weight.
We lost 2 games earlier in the year that we shouldn't of that will likely cause us to miss top 4 and what do those 2 losses have in common? Our leaders going missing at crunch time.
Simplistic? No, like it or not the expectations are greater on those players (rightly) because they are the leaders. And just because they are leaders doesn't mean they are immune from criticism at the same level as the easy targets
It's simplistic because you are basing your opinion of leadership on kicking for goal.
You wouldn't know the first thing about any of our leaders. How they train, what they are like in meetings, what they are like before games and even what they are like on the ground and at breaks. All you see is Trent missing a goal and say he lacked in leadership. You can still be a good leader and miss a goal even if it's a crucial one. All it does is show is he is human and misses goals like every other captain and footballer. Even the great Tony Lockett missed 31% of the time.
Sure we would all like him to kick at 100% in every game every year but even the dumbest of supporters can see that it's just not possible.
Who do you consider as a great leader from another club? Do they go missing at stages of games? Do they miss goals? Pretty sure if you are honest with yourself the answer is yes.
And lastely Not sure if you read Johno Browns article last week but he rates Trent's leadership pretty highly and I'd take what he says over most other peanuts in the media.
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It's simplistic because you are basing your opinion of leadership on kicking for goal.
No actually I don't, leadership has much more to do with it than that. But if you want to believe that's all I base it on then again that's your call. We can debate/discuss it until the cows come home but you are fixated on the missed goals. I will repeat leadership is much more than that.
You wouldn't know the first thing about any of our leaders. How they train, what they are like in meetings, what they are like before games and even what they are like on the ground and at breaks. All you see is Trent missing a goal and say he lacked in leadership. You can still be a good leader and miss a goal even if it's a crucial one. All it does is show is he is human and misses goals like every other captain and footballer. Even the great Tony Lockett missed 31% of the time.
Sure we would all like him to kick at 100% in every game every year but even the dumbest of supporters can see that it's just not possible.
No need for the insult BTW - we disagree but why do you have to use comments like "even the dumbest supporters"? Just because people don't agree with you you seem to drop an insult in.
But any way back to your statement "You wouldn't know the first thing about any of our leaders...." Would and could argue either do you so it is a mute point.
As I said this has more to do with him missing goals. Go back to the Swans game - that third quarter was one of the finest examples of leadership you will ever see. That had nothing to do with goals, it had to do with dragging your players along and inspiring them, that's what he did that Friday night. He didn't do that on Saturday in the last qtr and that's my point
But seeing you want to focus on that. The missing goals highlights a glaring weakness in his leadership both Carey & Ling (both premiership captains) & even Harley last year (another premiership captain) have commented on and I think thier collective views carry a fair bit of merit. Or is only Jono Brown's opinion worthy?
Who do you consider as a great leader from another club? Do they go missing at stages of games? Do they miss goals? Pretty sure if you are honest with yourself the answer is yes.
And lastely Not sure if you read Johno Browns article last week but he rates Trent's leadership pretty highly and I'd take what he says over most other peanuts in the media.
Actually if you read my comments in the Jonathon Brown article then you'd know who I rate as an outstanding leader and that's Luke Hodge. Yes I am sure he's missed a few goals in time but he's kicked some clutch ones.
And just on Brown's article he actually compared Cotchin to Hodge and said they were practically on par. And FWIW I actually posted in that thread that based on Saturday's game they aren't