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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 20, 2015, 02:30:06 AM
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We're underdogs with the Bookies against Freo.
Round 17
RICHMOND vs FREMANTLE
Saturday, 25th July @ 4.35 pm
Venue: M.C.G.
Betting Odds (CrownBet)
Richmond $ 2.15
Fremantle $ 1.70
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2015/17/rich-v-fre
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Fremantle coach Ross Lyon can't wait for the chance to play Richmond, the team that handed Freo their first AFL loss this season, at the MCG on Saturday.
Source: AAP
20 Jul 2015
Fremantle coach Ross Lyon can't wait for Saturday to try and take revenge against Richmond, the team which handed the Dockers their first loss of the AFL season.
Fremantle remained a game clear on top of the AFL ladder with a 42-point win over Carlton at Domain Stadium on Saturday, but the Dockers couldn't shake the lowly Blues until the final quarter.
It was enough for Fremantle to improve to a 13-2 record after round 16 and remain four-points clear of West Coast and two ahead of Hawthorn. They did, though, lose small forward Hayden Ballantyne to a shoulder injury.
Richmond beat the Dockers in Round 10 and Lyon can't wait to get a chance at redemption against the Tigers on Saturday.
"We know that Richmond are a really massive challenge at the MCG," he said.
"We are excited about that, we can't wait to get on the plane and they knocked us over here (in Perth), so we understand what they bring to the table.
"It's a big challenge but you can't sneak around in league football, you have to earn your position.
"I don't think it hurts us (to play Richmond again so soon). It's exciting."
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/07/19/lyon-has-dockers-primed-afl-tigers
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Must win game!
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After being a nervous nelly the last few weeks "deservedly so in my book", made hard work of it but 4 points is 4 points. Really looking forward to the next couple of weeks, lets see what were made of! :gotigers
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8 point game.
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Must win game!
have you retired as a doctor?
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Must win game!
have you retired as a doctor?
No. I thought I'd post before I saw my first patient this morning at 6.35am! ;D
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Ballantyne out. Nice
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Looks like the MCC are expecting the Tiger Army to break the record H/A crowd figure for a Freo game outside of Perth. The current record is 45,436.
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Opening times
Gates
Public 3.00pm
AFL Reserve 3.00pm
MCC Reserve 3.00pm
Parking
Gate 3: 12.00pm
Gate 5: 1.00pm
Gate 6: 1.00pm
Gate 7: 11.00pm
Other information
Expected public general admission seating
Great Southern Stand
M1-M2
Q1-Q15
Ponsford Stand
M28-M36
Q29-Q36
Olympic Stand
Q49-Q52 (Rows K-MM)
Q53-Q57
Cheersquads
Richmond - Bays M3 (Rows A-K) and M4 (Rows A-K)
Fremantle - Bay M33 (Rows A-S)
Estimated attendance
More than 45,436 - which would be Fremantle’s biggest ever home and away crowd away from Perth.
http://www.mcg.org.au/whats-on/events-calendar/2015/july/richmond-v-fremantle
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We're underdogs with the Bookies against Freo.
Betting Odds (CrownBet)
Richmond $ 2.15
Fremantle $ 1.70
Those bookie odds have swung around to now having us as favourites (just).
Richmond $ 1.85
Fremantle $ 1.95
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2015/17/rich-v-fre
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Ballantyne out. Nice
Agree but need to watch Walters.
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Ballantyne out. Nice
Agree but need to watch Walters.
Edwards being out hurts us more. Another 3 from Lennon would be nice (pending fitness).
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Tigers 'capable' of beating Fremantle again, says Chaplin
Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
July 21, 2015
RICHMOND defender Troy Chaplin says the Tigers are every chance to 'do the double’ over ladder leaders Fremantle this Saturday at the MCG.
The Tigers became the first side to beat the Dockers this season when they opened their round 10 game in Perth with an eight-goal first quarter.
"(That game) was a bit of an anomaly, but we know that we're capable of beating Fremantle," Chaplin told reporters on Tuesday morning at Punt Road.
"It's going to be very hard to replicate that, there's not many times that teams have come out and done that against a Ross Lyon-coached side.
The Tigers will need to find a quick fix to the dramatic fourth quarter fade-out that let St Kilda back in with a sniff last Sunday evening.
"It was disappointing, we went away from what was working for us in the second and third quarters," Chaplin said.
"We just lost critical contests and our ball movement going forward certainly hindered our opportunities.
"We just couldn't win contested footy and we didn't tackle very well."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-21/tigers-capable-of-beating-fremantle-again-says-chaplin
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Match preview: Tigers v Dockers
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
July 21, 2015 5:44 PM
SUMMARY
The Tigers continue to impress by racking up wins despite not playing their best football. Their 16-point victory over St Kilda on Sunday came despite a flat last quarter where the Saints were allowed to boot six unanswered goals and destroy the Tigers' three-quarter time 52-point lead. They've now won eight of their last nine games. Meanwhile, the Dockers have lost a few players to injury recently, including Hayden Ballantyne to a season-ending pectoral complaint, but are still riding high on top of the table. They've lost just two games this season, which includes their round 15 belting at the hands of Hawthorn, but remain one game clear of crosstown rivals West Coast on the ladder.
WHERE AND WHEN: MCG, Saturday, July 25, 4.35pm
AEDT
LAST FIVE TIMES
R10, 2015, Richmond 15.7 (97) d Fremantle 10.10 (70) at Subiaco Oval
R13, 2014, Fremantle 16.9 (105) d Richmond 12.13 (85) at the MCG
R17, 2013, Richmond 12.12 (84) d Fremantle 8.9 (57) at the MCG
R5, 2013, Fremantle 12.9 (81) d Richmond 12.8 (80) at Subiaco Oval
R21, 2012, Fremantle 13.16 (94) d Richmond 11.6 (72) at Subiaco Oval
THE SIX POINTS
1. The Tigers stunned the Dockers earlier this season with an eight-goal first quarter and 12 goals to five before the main break, which led to Ross Lyon's men suffering their first loss for the season.
2. Dustin Martin was the star of the night with 34 disposals, eight marks and one goal.
3. Since that night, the Tigers have won five of six games and have kicked an average score of over 83 points. In comparison, the Dockers have won four games with an average of over 70.
4. The Dockers are the second-ranked clearance side in 2015 averaging 42.8 per game, while the Tigers are ranked equal 15th with 36.2 per game.
5. Richmond has dominated Fremantle at the MCG with eight wins from 11 contests, but the Dockers have hit back in recent years to win two of the last three.
6. While plenty of Dockers have trailed off in recent weeks, Chris Mayne has improved his standing on the Official AFL Player Ratings from 186 in round 15 to 163 overall going into this round.
IT'S A BIG WEEK FOR …
Shaun Hampson.
With Ty Vickery due back next week, Hampson has another chance to impress as the second ruck option after being handed more responsibility against the Saints on Sunday with Ivan Maric playing forward. The challenge doesn't come much bigger than Aaron Sandilands, and Hampson will be keen to stand out.
PREDICTION: Richmond by 12 points.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-21/match-preview-tigers-v-dockers
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Maybe out Hampson on Marics shoulders at the centre bounce
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Once bitten: Freo wary of fast-starting Tigers
Alex Malcolm
Herald-Sun
July 23, 2015
FREMANTLE defender Garrick Ibbotson says the Dockers can't afford to be ambushed by Richmond on Saturday like they were in round 10.
The Tigers produced one of the upsets of the season seven weeks ago when they toppled the undefeated Dockers at Domain Stadium.
The win was set up by a staggering first quarter assault, the Tigers kicking the first four goals of the match before Fremantle scored, and booting eight goals for the term.
It was the first time Fremantle had conceded eight goals in an opening quarter under Ross Lyon, and it was only the second time any team coached by Lyon had conceded eight goals in an opening term.
Ibbotson said the Dockers must respond quicker if the situation arises again this Saturday at the MCG.
"To come out and kick (eight) like that, it put us on the back foot a little. We need to make sure if that was to happen again, that we can arrest that momentum," Ibbotson said.
"If we can get our hands on the ball and try and hold it for a little while and keep the ball off them, we can stem the flow."
The Dockers have been the number one team for points differential in first quarters this season, and they dominated first terms in seven of the first eight matches of 2015. But they have won just one first quarter since, last weekend against Carlton.
"We talk about the importance of first quarters and how they set up a game for you," Ibbotson said.
"It was a real strength of ours early in the season. We do try and start really well every week.
"We haven't been playing our best footy in the last month or so. But on the weekend we took a step in the right direction."
The Dockers will face the Tigers without All Australian forward Hayden Ballantyne, who has been ruled out for the remainder of the home and away season with a pec injury.
Ibbotson said Ballantyne would be a big loss because he is so unique.
"He's a hard one to replace," Ibbotson said.
"But we have some guys playing good footy at the moment. Hayden Crozier played on the weekend. But to replace Hayden is going to be tough."
Crozier was the sub last week and seems the like-for-like replacement up forward in the starting 21.
The Dockers have youngsters Ed Langdon, Connor Blakely and Lachie Weller all itching for an opportunity to debut. Clancee Pearce dominated in the WAFL last week with 40 touches, but Tendai Mzungu and Paul Duffield would likely need a spot in defence to open up to gain a recall.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-22/once-bitten-freo-wary-of-faststarting-tigers
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Apparently, there's a question mark on Fyfe playing, who is struggling with a corkie.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Eyes_On_Fyfe_Footy-Feed.jpg)
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If he plays someone needs to do a Sam Mitchell on him.
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Nat Fyfe struggling with corked thigh, Fremantle taking no risks ahead of Richmond clash
CHRIS ROBINSON
PERTHNOW
JULY 23, 2015 1:25PM WST
FREMANTLE will keep its options open ahead of Saturday’s blockbuster clash with Richmond, with three emergencies set to travel east as the Dockers battle injury and soreness.
Brownlow favourite Nat Fyfe and reliable defender Lee Spurr also spent time away from the main group at training on Thursday morning, with Fyfe’s right quad still strapped following his cork from Sam Mitchell almost a fortnight ago.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/nat-fyfe-struggling-with-corked-thigh-fremantle-taking-no-risks-ahead-of-richmond-clash/story-fni5f6su-1227453944697
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Load of BS.
Ross Lyon does this every time we play Fremantle.
Freo sees this as a danger game. Fyfe will play.
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Will lightning strike twice for Tigers and Dockers?
The Opposition Analyst
The Age
July 24, 2015
Only seven weeks ago Richmond pulled off the upset of the season, beating the previously undefeated Fremantle at the hostile Subiaco Oval. The question on everyone's mind is: can Damien Hardwick's finals-bound team repeat the dose on Saturday at the MCG?
The Tigers took a distinct plan to Perth to combat and expose the Dockers' defensive mechanism, and on that night it worked wonderfully. They changed their ball movement to go slower through the midfield with more control - a change they have kept as a welcome addition to their gameplan. Crucially, they also used shorter kicks to honour the "hit-up" leads from their half-forwards across the middle of the ground.
Both tactics took advantage of Fremantle's "sagging" defensive mode, the Dockers typically allowing opponents to "have" these possessions and focus on intercepting the more common "long and deep" forward 50 entries.
Richmond were able to expose Fremantle's ability to get a half-back flanker (think Michael Johnson, and now Garrick Ibbottson) to let their opponent push higher up the ground, while they dropped back to create a "spare" defender and work with the other backmen to make the intercept and start the rebound. For the Dockers, this mechanism also relies on strong midfield pressure to deny their opposition time and space to make good decisions with the ball. Against Richmond the midfield was poor in that area.
Two weeks later Collingwood ventured west and they initially incorporated the short, hit-up leads as part of their ball movement. This time the Dockers were awake to the tactic and their half-backs defended such kicks in a more diligent manner.
That game was eventually decided, as most are, in the midfield, where eventually Freo were able to out-pressure Collingwood and force them into turnovers. I think we will see more of this style of game on Saturday.
Lyon and his coaching panel know they have a distinct advantage in certain key areas and, unlike round 10, will want to maximise these against Richmond. One is clearances, where Fremantle rank No.1 to Richmond's 15th, with a plus-six advantage.
At centre-square bounces Freo rank No.7 to the Tigers 15, but at around the ground stoppages this differential expands to Freo ranking first and Richmond 16th. These clearance numbers obviously start with Aaron Sandilands, but really are testament to the midfield brigade of David Mundy, Lochy Neale and Nat Fyfe, with able assistance from Michael Barlow, Stephen Hill and Nick Suban. Their battle with the Richmond midfield will be pivotal.
While both teams are reasonably low tackling teams - which may produce an open and flowing game on the spacious MCG - Fremantle has another advantage in the critical area of contested ball, where they rank No.3 in the league to Richmond's No.14. Lyon will be impressing upon his players the importance on winning both the "ground ball war" (as he calls it) and contested ball. These two statistics, along with a dominant stoppage display, will allow Fremantle to play the game in their front half and give them the best opportunity to score.
Hardwick will be looking to capitalise on the Tigers improved ball movement and ability to defend their inside 50 entries. The inclusion of Ben Griffiths would be a fillip for his forward structure set-up.
This is one area where Richmond has performed better than the Dockers, ranking No.6 for marks taken inside their forward 50 while Freo rank a lowly 12th. If the likes of Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin can win their share of midfield possession and use it well going forward, they might again expose the Fremantle defence, still without Johnson as well as Zac Dawson and Alex Silvagni.
Interestingly, neither team has kicked 100 points in the six rounds since they met, but both have been reasonably frugal in limiting the points against, apart from Fremantle's Launceston drubbing by Hawthorn. Indeed, the points against column is usually an accurate indicator, and at the moment Fremantle rank No.1 while Richmond are No.5 - corresponding with their ladder positions.
I'm not so sure lightning will strike twice.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/will-lightning-strike-twice-for-tigers-and-dockers-20150723-giiuis.html
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Thank Geez that fwd pocket tosser is out
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Newman will star this week. LMAO
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Who is in and out for us compared to the time we beat them?
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Vickery , Edwards , C. Ellis , Menadue and Morris
I think that's it
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RICHMOND v FREMANTLE
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/164.jpg)
Hot:
Young Tiger Anthony Miles has climbed the overall standings from 418th to 207th this season.
Fremantle captain Matthew Pavlich has averaged 15.9 points per game against Richmond - his best against any club.
Not:
Dustin Martin has averaged 8.9 points in the last four rounds - a drop of 37 per cent on his average before this period.
Stephen Hill currently sits at 59th overall - down from 21st at the start of the season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-24/player-ratings-round-17-the-hot-and-the-not
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Vickery , Edwards , C. Ellis , Menadue and Morris
I think that's it
Yep, 5 changes.
In: Hampson, Newman, Lambert, Lennon and Lloyd.
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From Barrett's sliding doors article ...
Richmond
IF .................... the Tigers beat the Dockers this weekend ...
THEN ............... there will be 92,000 spectators next Friday night at the MCG for the game against Hawthorn. Maybe 93,000.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-24/sliding-doors-round-17
No doubt because of this, the AFL will be hoping for a Tiger victory today.
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Load of BS.
Ross Lyon does this every time we play Fremantle.
Freo sees this as a danger game. Fyfe will play.
Yep. Just can't remember the player last time round. Thinking PAV or the drug cheat.
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Vickery , Edwards , C. Ellis , Menadue and Morris
I think that's it
Ok, well lets hope we play with more intensity than we have shown recently. Griff will cover Vicks, Hopefully Lennon will show up again and Morris, well, who cares. Menadue wont be missed either.
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Lloyd is the sub.
NO LATE CHANGES
FINAL INTERCHANGES
Richmond: Chris Newman, Anthony Miles, Taylor Hunt
Substitute: Sam Lloyd
Fremantle: Tommy Sheridan, Hayden Crozier, Lachie Neale
Substitute: Matt de Boer
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-25/final-teams-round-17
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Can't afford missing targets coming out of defence.
Got to make the most of our inside 50s. Mucked up the first couple.
Finally, Hunt 60m out finds Newy. Goal :gotigers ;D
Rich 7
Freo 1
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Captains goal
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Griffs to Hampson to Cotch but the snap misses.
8 - 1
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Stacks of turnovers by both sides.
Lids now 60m out. Wrong option to Hampson 1-on-3 in the forward pocket. Ball-up and then rushed through.
9 - 1
Inside 50s: 7- 3
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You can tackle the legs now
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That gawd that was out of bounds. Too easy for them going coast to coast.
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Can't allow them forward stoppage goals like that in a territory-gain game like this.
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No prior opportunity?
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Hunt two errant kicks out of defence :-\.
Lucky they miss.
9 - 10
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What was the difference there, umpire?
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Free to Big Benny 50m out. Misses.
1.4-10 a piece.
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Can we find a teammate inside 50 instead of just blazing away :scream.
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Freo scragging and getting away with it ::). Griffs was held but no free. Lids snap goes across goal and for a throw-in.
Lambert gets pinged for being the only player going the ball :facepalm.
Deliberate not paid against Freo.
Now ball taken off Jack.
C'mon umps!
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Quarter time
Richmond 1.4-10
Fremantle 1.4-10
Goal: Newman
Well at least we didn't lose the first quarter :-\.
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Umps ruining this!!!! Utter pooh!
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McInerey being a flog again.
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Lost momentum when Maric decided to take a silly short kick to a 1 on 1 in the corridor.
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Umpires :huh
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I don't know why Griffiths doesn't use that kick of his, we all wanted him too
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Good to see lids call fyfe a wanker and chimp smacking into him
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Stick his head band up his bum :cheers
McIntosh so smart
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McIntosh so smart
Dumb as balls but he is playing very well :clapping
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McIntosh so smart
Dumb as balls but he is playing very well :clapping
The toe poke was very iintelligence
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We got a free in front of goal! :gobdrop
Ivannnn! :thumbsup
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McIntosh so smart
Dumb as balls but he is playing very well :clapping
The toe poke was very iintelligence
Was an accident. The knock on later on was smart but poorly executed
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Serious bunch of flogs these umps...
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My heart is rooted
That was it for me
Free kick goal for water...... :huh
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Free kick for water????????
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Water fair enough. Rest of the game over officiated junk
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Free kick for water????????
Unsportsmanlike spraying of water 50 Metres against dusty
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Water fair enough. Rest of the game over officiated junk
He was trying to have a drink of water... And the guy went up to his face and had a go....
:huh
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Pav not even looking at the ball
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That was such a bad miss by Griff.
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That was such a bad miss by Griff.
He was hurt why not give the ball to a good kick :facepalm
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Too much cute finessing inside 50, need to start putting it on the scoreboard. Said this a couple of times in previous weeks but we are trying to string possessions together inside 50 to get a goal in the square, take it on and have a shot FFS. In the first quarter Jack had a chance to snap and handballs outside 50 and we turn it over. Can see we don't want to just bomb it in there too often but once its in there we are really missing the elusive skill of Titch.
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Need to kick better and we will win.......I struggle to understand how you can miss from 10m....... :banghead :banghead
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I fail to understand the umpiring. And the goal kicking is atrocious, it is swirly out there but sheesh...
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Squib bacha
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Wait wasn't Ben omitted with injury?
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Wait wasn't Ben omitted with injury?
Hampson
Griff hurt leg still playing
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Freo one rotation down
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He's coming back on bugger
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Wait wasn't Ben omitted with injury?
Hampson
Griff hurt leg still playing
Nah Jackstar said Lennon was missing 2 weeks with a groin
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Miles is amazing
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Won't be popular saying this,
BUT
Old man Newy has been decent
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yep, solid and calm in the chaos
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Won't be popular saying this,
BUT
Old man Newy has been decent
I agree. Definitely has justified his place this week. Obviously he is always going to be selected to play so hopefully this is what we can expect a bit more.
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UMPS are shocking
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stuff the umpires stuffed a good game of football
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Good game. We are finals bound.
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wankers should've bloody iced the game when they had the chance
There's gonna be a lot if talk about the umps but WE bloody well lost it and its unacceptable.
:banghead
let the opportunity pass them by.
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GOALKICKING!!!!!!!!!!!......Is it that F&**(&%() difficult. Should hang their heads in shame for that loss, and if ever Cotch was going to win a game off his boot that was it and yet again he failed. It just defies belief that these players on hundreds of thousands of dollars cant put a ball between two white sticks from 30 metres. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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stuff the kicking and stuff the umpires.
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Losing ugly is worse....... :banghead
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Won't be popular saying this,
BUT
Old man Newy has been decent
I agree. Definitely has justified his place this week. Obviously he is always going to be selected to play so hopefully this is what we can expect a bit more.
Credit where its due, He played much better today
I apologize for my comments however your on a week to week basis Newy
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We definitely got the raw end of the stick, in the last few minutes not sure who it was but a Freo player had his arm pinned and just dropped the ball over to another Freo player and they broke away. That was a free kick instantly against us the whole game but suddenly the umps get caught up in the moment and dont pay it. Love to know how many goals Freo got from free kicks or as a direct result of us not getting one, its not the number of frees its where you get them that counts. Of course if we could actually kick straight it wouldn't have mattered.
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All the potatoes had honourable performance pretty much
Kudos
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1. Lloyd. What a shocking half. That kick in the last few minutes showed he has no vision. As for the shot at goal when Grigg passed to him. Hardwicks folly.
2. Cotchin played well but can't kick clutch goals.
3. Griff is rather soft
4. The umpires must have backed free. What a joke they were. That was so soft.
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Lambert is a sensational player.
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We did ok, 10/10 for intensity, it came down to missed goals and stupid decisions, we won the game IMHO
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We did ok.....we won the game IMHO
You stuffing fool... :nope
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We did ok, 10/10 for intensity, it came down to missed goals and stupid decisions, we won the game IMHO
:huh
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had the best of most stats except free bull poo kicks in front of goal. They got six from that, not a bad haul in a low scoring game.
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Still a classy outside runner and an X factor small forward away from being a much better side. When the ball got out to open space we had no speed to get to the contest. Hopefully Menadue will fill this role in the future, though Hill had some telling possesions in the last quarter just because he could get there first.
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Hammer was actually playing a good game before he turned his ankle have to say, has he turned a corner?
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Grand Final winners, win these games.
Just sayin'....
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We won but we didn't. ....but hey we did.
LMFAO :lol
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Fremantle were carrying key injuries, down on form, had 6 less scoring shots but used the ball better, cleared the ball more efficiently showed more composure, were cleaner, better in tight and on the spread , broke more tackles, stuck more important tackles, ran harder, were more disciplined and took their chances. Performances need to be judged in context and the only context that really matters is the final score.
Still carry too many players with glaring deficiencies. I suspect our better players and leaders would have more composure if they had more confidence in the rest of the side to share the load and do the job.
Forget top 4, was always a pipedream anyway - still think we're touch and go to even make the 8. I feel another 9th coming on.
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sack hardwick #
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Still a classy outside runner and an X factor small forward away from being a much better side. When the ball got out to open space we had no speed to get to the contest. Hopefully Menadue will fill this role in the future, though Hill had some telling possesions in the last quarter just because he could get there first.
Yep, Titch could have been the difference today, can't wait til he is back
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Yep lack of pace was another glaring issue today - only really had Hunt out there today with any kind of genuine toe but he never really seems to use it, is a hack and was close to worst on ground IMO.
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was close to worst on ground IMO.
Behind Houli, even ignoring his final minute blunder he was horrendous
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We did ok.....we won the game IMHO
You stuffing fool... :nope
we lost but only on the scoreboard, you ain't no fool, but you are a tool
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I'm so gutted and p!ssed off.
If we manage to beat the pee&poo I think I can forgive them for loosing this game.
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Can't question the endeavour tonight but how many times did we lose a contest to an unlucky ricochet out if a pack of players. Seem to be like human pinball and the ball just seemed to fall to Freo more often than not. I suppose we put this one down to experience but fear its going to be the start of a run of losses given I can't see us beating the Hawks and our confidence following that game might be a bit low. Will be a test of how far we have come as a team as to what sort of performance we can muster next week after such a gut wrenching loss.
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Grand Final winners, win these games.
Just sayin'....
Grand final teams beat poo sides like demons, dogs, norf and cats. That should have been only our 2nd loss of the year
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I thought they were better than us in the last half hour of the game in the clinches. we tried to go with them but they were getting the ball out. nevertheless I think we are an improved outfit and the players will learn from this experience.
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Yeah it's awesome we're still learning after six years.....
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Young Newman and young maric and young Chaplin really starting to hit straps. Couple more pre seasons and watch out
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Free didn't win it we lost it
Missing set shots 30-40 metres out is unacceptable. Lost count of the posters after number 3
Captains after being gifted a free not even registering a score when the game is there to be won is unacceptable
A certain player going back to bad habits of refusing to go in for hardball when there was a 50/50 contest in the last 4 mins just forward of the centre wing is unacceptable
Sam Lloyd trying to kick the ball into the top deck of the southern stand in the 3rd qtr after a great handball from Grigg who gave him block as well rather than running right the a metre out from goal was unacceptable
Terrible loss, good sides don't lose games when you all you have to do is hold possession for less than a minute.
And here is a tip Bachar, stick to the game plan rather trying some,thing that clearly goes outside what you are trained to do
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2015 AFL Ladder
Pos Team Pts G W L D %
1 Dockers 56 16 14 2 0 126.69
2 Hawks 48 16 12 4 0 170.05
3 Eagles 48 15 12 3 0 156.46
4 Swans 44 15 11 4 0 118.30
5 Tigers 40 16 10 6 0 111.48
6 Crows 38 15 9 6 0 106.25
7 Bulldogs 36 15 9 6 0 105.84
8 Kangaroos 36 16 9 7 0 102.96
9 Giants 36 16 9 7 0 101.85
10 Cats 34 15 8 7 0 98.24
11 Magpies 32 15 8 7 0 117.75
Oh dear
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Yeah it's awesome we're still learning after six years.....
Should never stop learning
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The basics? What are Hawthorn still learning?
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The brutal truth is as much as we try we are still not quite there yet, its undeniable but true, games like today go towards making us a better team as much as it pains me to say so. Does anyone truthfully expect us to get to he Grand Final, in our dreams maybe but in reality no. So essentially these sorts of games provide the building blocks to bigger and better things. Under Hardwick we have definitely improved, what we need now is another injection of class in the right areas and we are going to be thereabouts. Don't get me wrong, our best is very good and on our day we can match it with the best but we just have that lack of polish that is hurting us in games such as the one we lost tonight.
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The basics? What are Hawthorn still learning?
Don't start changing the specifics now
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Yeah it's awesome we're still learning after six years.....
Bach still learning after 8 yrs.
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Houli got no idea after 11 yeara
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Actually if Houli had of kicked the bloody itching straight away rather stopping and propping allowing 4 dockers to close in on Lambert we would thought it was brilliant
But he was too slow, it was like he listened to the cheersquad
But personal I reckon he should have gone towards the boundary just like he had done every bloody other time
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The basics? What are Hawthorn still learning?
Don't start changing the specifics now
Well you only have my word for it but the implication was there, either way, I didn't actually mention any specifics in the initial comment so how could I have changed them?
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We kicked ourselves out of a win pure & simple. Today we missed Vickery who would slot them goals. l reckon we were the better side on the day but if you miss set shots like that its a bad day on the oval. Game had me on the edge of the seat all day. It was a good game for us & next week will be the real test. Hampson going off allowed Sandilands to get around. Griffiths didn't look right after grabbing his ankle. we need a strong body tagger as Hunt is not strong enough. Can Conca come in ?? Will Edwards be ready. Vickery will be back in. We played the top team & we lost it in that last minute by not passing it out like we did all day. A mere slit to the throat as defenders were not alert to man up after that kickout. 5 v 1 so where were all those other spare Tigers. Waiting for someone else to do the job. They will learn from this mistake. Goal kicking training this week. l like the game plan. We have the players to go all the way this year. l believe in the players & the Coaches who will win a final.
However l will say this. Fremantle will not win a game in the finals this year. They are not as good as everyone thinks. ;D
:gotigers
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The basics? What are Hawthorn still learning?
Don't start changing the specifics now
Well you only have my word for it but the implication was there, either way, I didn't actually mention any specifics in the initial comment so how could I have changed them?
Because there was none, now there is some. Hence you changed them ;D
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A mere slit to the throat as defenders were not alert to man up after that kickout. 5 v 1 so where were all those other spare Tigers. Waiting for someone else to do the job.
They were out on the wings where the ball was supposed to be kicked in the first place :banghead
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A mere slit to the throat as defenders were not alert to man up after that kickout. 5 v 1 so where were all those other spare Tigers. Waiting for someone else to do the job.
They were out on the wings where the ball was supposed to be kicked in the first place :banghead
I'm also assuming the four not there Richmond players were near the boundary lines thinking the ball would go there...
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We blew the game and any chance of finishing top 4.
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VIDEOS:
Highlights: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-07-25/round-17-highlights
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Dissappointing loss, a pity Houlis kick in has been blown out of proportion. We lost it in front of goal, But the boys put in a great 4 quarters effort
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There were so many Docker players in the corridor at that kick in. When your closing down a game you don't leave them free to work over 1 player. Regardless of the kick in by Houli our players should have manned up. If the ball did go to the boundry & they won the spill it would have ended up in the corridor of a docker player with ease. Players must pick up players in the dying minutes to create a even contest & that was where we failed at that moment. We kept them in the game all day when we should have closed it out with all them missed shots. the umpires kept them in the game & so did we with our bomb the ball forward to their spare player to cut it off. Too many times going to the 2 v 1 option will never work. Houli mistake sticks right out cause it cost us a goal & lead but those set shots missed by key figures was what really cost us the game. 3 very bad umpire mistakes gifted them goals. We are blazing away at the ball with these long kicks into the forward line when a split second could have choose the better option. :banghead We will learn from this. :gotigers
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There were so many Docker players in the corridor at that kick in. When your closing down a game you don't leave them free to work over 1 player. Regardless of the kick in by Houli our players should have manned up. If the ball did go to the boundry & they won the spill it would have ended up in the corridor of a docker player with ease. Players must pick up players in the dying minutes to create a even contest & that was where we failed at that moment. We kept them in the game all day when we should have closed it out with all them missed shots. the umpires kept them in the game & so did we with our bomb the ball forward to their spare player to cut it off. Too many times going to the 2 v 1 option will never work. Houli mistake sticks right out cause it cost us a goal & lead but those set shots missed by key figures was what really cost us the game. 3 very bad umpire mistakes gifted them goals. We are blazing away at the ball with these long kicks into the forward line when a split second could have choose the better option. :banghead We will learn from this. :gotigers
You don't man up we you team got the ball...
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yes we lost the game in front of goal no doubt,but the likes of houli,taylor hunt make mistakes at crucial times .They fumble ,panic or go to ground far too often...Have a look at floss you need a sledge hammer to knock him down.whereas the other 2 if a fly lands them on they tend to go to ground
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I thought that if you look at that game there was more to like than dislike. We are 3-4 class players short of being a top 4 side.
We need a quality small forward, a gun mid another number 1 ruck (sorry Ivvy) and a utility mid who can drift forward and kick goals.
Reckon 2 of those 4 can be developed from our existing list with the others being a must trade/free agency.
Treloar becomes more important each week....
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Two things that did my head in all day yesterday was how many times our players just slapped it on the boot after winning a centre clearance, despite having time & space -Miles & Martin seemed to be the two main offenders -and Maric repeatedly tapping it to opposition advantage.
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i actually dont have a real problem with the rushed kick out of the middle, as long as your forwards can read the play and play in front.
the caveat is if there is a loose defender set specifically for that kick
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It's fair enough still in the middle of the pack but these were out in the clear - Fremantle's disposal in similar positions was far more measured & composed. Miles always does because that's his skill level....but when the likes of Martin & even Deledio start doing it too it's frustrating....Martin in particular has being doing it all year. Was as if everyone had been possessed by the ghost of Shane Tuck.
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i actually dont have a real problem with the rushed kick out of the middle, as long as your forwards can read the play and play in front.
the caveat is if there is a loose defender set specifically for that kick
I don't mind it either because we have jack riewoldt and brett deledio hanging around the forward line and they understand the game, some of our other forwards are dumb as dog droppings but Riewoldt and Deledio can be useful when we have a rushed kick forward.
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Edwards read it like a children's book, too
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What we learned - Round 17
Travis King
afl.com.au
July 26, 2015
3. Richmond can match it with the best, if they stop shooting themselves in the foot
The pain etched on the faces of Richmond fans and the frustration in coach Damien Hardwick's voice told the story on Saturday. These Tigers are oh so close to being one of the competition's elite sides. But sometimes they still just lack that bit of polish or maturity when it matters. Richmond will be kicking themselves after they kicked themselves out of what should have been a potentially season-defining win over Fremantle. Hardwick's side sprayed 10.18 – with six shots hitting the post – and Bachar Houli's kick-in down the centre corridor was an astounding brain-snap he will never repeat. The Tiger Army should keep the faith, though. A top-four spot isn't out of the question and the season has more twists and turns to come. Friday night's blockbuster against Hawthorn looms as one of the games of the year.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-26/nine-things-we-learned-from-round-17
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What's the rule with rebouncing a ball up in the middle? I always thought it was only if the ball went outside the outer circle?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVL766gOujM click to 28:00 minutes exactly
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Coaches' votes (Hardwick & Lyon)
9 David Mundy (Fre)
8 Troy Chaplin (Rich)
4 Brandon Ellis (Rich)
3 Michael Barlow (Fre)
2 Shaun Grigg (Rich)
2 Kane Lambert (Rich)
1 Stephen Hill (Fre)
1 Matthew Pavlich (Fre)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-27/aflca-votes-round-17