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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on September 13, 2015, 06:23:04 PM
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Key points
1- North won nearly all match ups in midfield. Jacobs over Cotch, Gibson over Ellis. Swallow smashed Lids. No1 bothered to match it with Harvey.
2- No1 made North spare man accountable. Whether it was Hansen, Wright or Tarrant.
3- 6 marks in forward 50. By product of point 2. When you pick 3 tall forwards. Hugely below standard.
4- Poor team selections. Is it first qtr of the season again? Playing Petterd? Thomas? Morris etc. Again we pick the wrong team. Lloyd and Lennon kick goals. We threw that away.
All of them on Hardwick. Not good enough again.
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Add shocking decisions as well but that can't be helped so no point complaining about it. We could have effected the game by Manning up Hansen. We could have tagged Harvey. We could have picked a side that is more balanced.
So pathetic, coaching staff. Didn't effect the game at all
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Turning the ball over with ease, the ruck contest nearly always went to their players, the AFL treating North like they were a top four side, giving them a break as good as winning a first final and going straight to the preliminary. We're mentally soft and even if we did make the top 4, we'd go out in two finals, so what's the point. Not unhappy, just very very angry!! North deserved the win.
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Turning the ball over with ease, the ruck contest nearly always went to their players, the AFL treating North like they were a top four side, giving them a break as good as winning a first final and going straight to the preliminary. We're mentally soft and even if we did make the top 4, we'd go out in two finals, so what's the point. Not unhappy, just very very angry!! North deserved the win.
Sadly Froarline you are correct. Our people don't want to acknowledge it and want to blame the umpires or the coach for everything but our players today did some diabolical things for AFL professional footballers. Just shocking decisions that cost us goals.
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Add in that wonderful decision to drop Lennon. He would have done more with the red vest on than Griffiths
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Pure and simple Lennon and Lloyd should have played
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:lol wasn't Lloyd a whipping boy for a while? No one rated him until he was dropped this week.
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Selection table
Allowing them to play a loose man
Contested possessions
And 4 or 5 of the worst turnovers you would ever want to see from a finals team. Chaplin, grigg, conca are 3 massive turnovers off the top of my head.
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Pure and simple Lennon and Lloyd should have played
yep
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Selection table
Allowing them to play a loose man
Contested possessions
And 4 or 5 of the worst turnovers you would ever want to see from a finals team. Chaplin, grigg, conca are 3 massive turnovers off the top of my head.
The loose man. I thought Griff came in to try and make Hansen accountable. Instead Griff goes into the ruck and Maric rests on the bench. Wtf. Defeats the purpose.
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We lost because we had a lower score, go figure
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The Skata Cycle. 33 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop.©
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The big reason we lost today is this........GOLDSTEIN!
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We lost because our best players collectively (outside Riewoldt & Rance) had their worst games of the year.
Throw in the back 6 who outside of Houli and Rance where diabolical then you have no chance, zippo, nada, zilch
And don't get me started on our so called leaders.... We had none
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Looking back I'm surprised we were in front for so long with all our leaders (bar Jack) so poor. Thought McIntosh was also very good today. He's had a great first year in the side. Well done son.
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The big reason we lost today is this........GOLDSTEIN!
Plus a handful of soft pricks in our team
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Looking back I'm surprised we were in front for so long with all our leaders (bar Jack) so poor. Thought McIntosh was also very good today. He's had a great first year in the side. Well done son.
:thumbsup played a good game and stood up :clapping
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Im depressed anyone got some ice
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The minute Newman, Griffiths and Conca were named we were in trouble, nothing against them but 2 underdone players and 1 slow player ain't going to cut it against North.
Support for Cotch was non existent, where did Lids go to?
A great season marred by stage fright.
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Marks inside 50 would be a compelling stat.
Scores from rebound 50 another.
3 scores over 100 vs us all year - Norf have 2 of them.
Bottom line, we played the game on their terms.
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Compelling stats they won more of the contested ball, they had more hit outs to advantage, they had more tackles, they had more shots on goal and once they got on top re uncontested possession we were in trouble. Cotch and Lids did not have good games and they got it out of our forward line too easily and got easy goals from turnovers.
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Was Hardwick trying to be too smart?
'Norf bringing back all their "big guns", pfft, i'll show you big guns norf, i'll raise you conca and griffiths'.
Finals are a contested game, everything changes in finals. Thomas should have been in. That should have been the only change, Thomas in, Newy out.
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In order:-
1) lost at the selection table. Lennon and Lloyd would have been more effective and fit than those 2 peanut ins
2) lids, cotch and Martin all down. Poor leadership.
2 part 2) nobody prepared to take the game on. Run and carry and kick the ball longer into 50.
3) dumb decisions. Eg Chaplin around nahas.
3) part 2 - dumb decisions in the coaches box. Move Cotchin and lids fwd or back if getting tagged so hard. Batch on there top fwd for the day.
4) Seemed to hammer us in centre clearances when they got on a run.
5) inside 50s from them relentless. Even great defenses lose a certain % of contests.
6) overall, bad luck with the umpires at influential times and locations.
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I reckon Dimma got sucked in by the 9 fresh players and thought I'd should bring in some fresh ones of his own.
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!2 months ago we were smashed by a team playing loose man in defence yesterday we were beaten by a team playing loose man in defence.
The definition of stupidity is to repeat the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
Can some one point out who was our loose man?
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!2 months ago we were smashed by a team playing loose man in defence yesterday we were beaten by a team playing loose man in defence.
The definition of stupidity is to repeat the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
Can some one point out who was our loose man?
Chaplin at times
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We need another tall backman. As well as a mid, ruck, goal sneak and utility.
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!2 months ago we were smashed by a team playing loose man in defence yesterday we were beaten by a team playing loose man in defence.
The definition of stupidity is to repeat the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
Can some one point out who was our loose man?
Floss, big difference between Hanson and him and their ability to influence the contest in the air.
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Can some one point out who was our loose man?
Deledio played loose man off CHB at the majority of centre bounces
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!2 months ago we were smashed by a team playing loose man in defence yesterday we were beaten by a team playing loose man in defence.
The definition of stupidity is to repeat the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
Can some one point out who was our loose man?
Floss, big difference between Hanson and him and their ability to influence the contest in the air.
Sorry Tony, but that is a very very poor comparison. Vlastuin is listed as 187cm and Hansen at 197cm. You would expect Hansen to be far more influential in the air. They are totally different players. That is why I said we should have further developed Elton this year. He is 197cm and has the physical characteristics to play at the top level. The mental side of things are still undeveloped and will remain so unless we pull the trigger and play him in the seniors. If they're not going towrope Chaplin, I'd drop Batchelor, put in Elton and play Flossy in the middle as a big bodied mid floating back and helping out the defence.
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We lost because our best players collectively (outside Riewoldt & Rance) had their worst games of the year.
Throw in the back 6 who outside of Houli and Rance where diabolical then you have no chance, zippo, nada, zilch
And don't get me started on our so called leaders.... We had none
Grimes can hold his head high, otherwise I agree.
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Lost cause we played our best side in a nothing game ... :whistle
Try to carry a number of duds doesn't help either (grigg / Chaplin)
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Agreed, carrying duds like lids, Cotch, Ells and Edwards really hurt us.
Stop blaming the easy targets mate. You're a broken record.
Bar a few, our stars let us down big time yesterday.
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Agreed, carrying duds like lids, Cotch, Ells and Edwards really hurt us.
Stop blaming the easy targets mate. You're a broken record.
Bar a few, our stars let us down big time yesterday.
asking them to beat norf two weeks in a row, after norf rested everyone last week, is a very big ask
our stars 'let us down' but were were disadvantaged having to play two weeks in a row as opposed to norfs stars
and norfs bottom six is much better than ours
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Agreed, carrying duds like lids, Cotch, Ells and Edwards really hurt us.
Stop blaming the easy targets mate. You're a broken record.
Bar a few, our stars let us down big time yesterday.
asking them to beat norf two weeks in a row, after norf rested everyone last week, is a very big ask
our stars 'let us down' but were were disadvantaged having to play two weeks in a row as opposed to norfs stars
and norfs bottom six is much better than ours
Disagree. Their bottom six is no better than ours. The difference is obvious - their guns performed in the game that mattered, ours didn't.
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Agreed, carrying duds like lids, Cotch, Ells and Edwards really hurt us.
Stop blaming the easy targets mate. You're a broken record.
Bar a few, our stars let us down big time yesterday.
asking them to beat norf two weeks in a row, after norf rested everyone last week, is a very big ask
our stars 'let us down' but were were disadvantaged having to play two weeks in a row as opposed to norfs stars
and norfs bottom six is much better than ours
Disagree. Their bottom six is no better than ours. The difference is obvious - their guns performed in the game that mattered, ours didn't.
maybe cause they were fresh from a week off? :whistle
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or maybe because they don't poo there pants in big games ;)
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or maybe because they don't poo there pants in big games ;)
bit of both i would think
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!2 months ago we were smashed by a team playing loose man in defence yesterday we were beaten by a team playing loose man in defence.
The definition of stupidity is to repeat the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
Can some one point out who was our loose man?
Chaplin at times
Rarely. Majority of the game it was Vlas
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!2 months ago we were smashed by a team playing loose man in defence yesterday we were beaten by a team playing loose man in defence.
The definition of stupidity is to repeat the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
Can some one point out who was our loose man?
Floss, big difference between Hanson and him and their ability to influence the contest in the air.
Sorry Tony, but that is a very very poor comparison. Vlastuin is listed as 187cm and Hansen at 197cm. You would expect Hansen to be far more influential in the air. They are totally different players. That is why I said we should have further developed Elton this year. He is 197cm and has the physical characteristics to play at the top level. The mental side of things are still undeveloped and will remain so unless we pull the trigger and play him in the seniors. If they're not going towrope Chaplin, I'd drop Batchelor, put in Elton and play Flossy in the middle as a big bodied mid floating back and helping out the defence.
Very fair comparison in the context of the game. Who cares what their height is, they were both played loose men in defense which requires you to have an influence in the air.
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usually vlastuin is required to take someone
the opposition leave chaplin as the loose cause they know hes no good
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usually vlastuin is required to take someone
the opposition leave chaplin as the loose cause they know hes no good
The opposition don't choose which player goes to them ::). Fact is Vlas was our loose for majority of the game
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usually vlastuin is required to take someone
the opposition leave chaplin as the loose cause they know hes no good
The opposition don't choose which player goes to them ::). Fact is Vlas was our loose for majority of the game
Yep and he was crap too. I worry about his disposal.
No doubt Stalin will blame Grigg for his turnovers.
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usually vlastuin is required to take someone
the opposition leave chaplin as the loose cause they know hes no good
The opposition don't choose which player goes to them ::). Fact is Vlas was our loose for majority of the game
yeah they do
in the exact way that we did not man up hansen
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usually vlastuin is required to take someone
the opposition leave chaplin as the loose cause they know hes no good
The opposition don't choose which player goes to them ::). Fact is Vlas was our loose for majority of the game
Yep and he was crap too. I worry about his disposal.
No doubt Stalin will blame Grigg for his turnovers.
rubbish vlastuin was far from the worst
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usually vlastuin is required to take someone
the opposition leave chaplin as the loose cause they know hes no good
The opposition don't choose which player goes to them ::). Fact is Vlas was our loose for majority of the game
Yep and he was crap too. I worry about his disposal.
No doubt Stalin will blame Grigg for his turnovers.
rubbish vlastuin was far from the worst
Didn't say he was our worst. I said he was crap and I know I'm not alone in that assessment.
Sadly, our captain and a number of other high profile players were crapper still.
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vlastuin wasn't crap
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Agree to disagree.
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Turning the ball over with ease, the ruck contest nearly always went to their players, the AFL treating North like they were a top four side, giving them a break as good as winning a first final and going straight to the preliminary. We're mentally soft and even if we did make the top 4, we'd go out in two finals, so what's the point. Not unhappy, just very very angry!! North deserved the win.
l agree that's exactly how it went down
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Huge fan of Vlaustin but he wasn't flash yesterday at all.
3rd year player gives him time.
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!2 months ago we were smashed by a team playing loose man in defence yesterday we were beaten by a team playing loose man in defence.
The definition of stupidity is to repeat the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
Can some one point out who was our loose man?
Floss, big difference between Hanson and him and their ability to influence the contest in the air.
Sorry Tony, but that is a very very poor comparison. Vlastuin is listed as 187cm and Hansen at 197cm. You would expect Hansen to be far more influential in the air. They are totally different players. That is why I said we should have further developed Elton this year. He is 197cm and has the physical characteristics to play at the top level. The mental side of things are still undeveloped and will remain so unless we pull the trigger and play him in the seniors. If they're not going towrope Chaplin, I'd drop Batchelor, put in Elton and play Flossy in the middle as a big bodied mid floating back and helping out the defence.
Very fair comparison in the context of the game. Who cares what their height is, they were both played loose men in defense which requires you to have an influence in the air.
exactly
Thank you
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We lost because our best players collectively (outside Riewoldt & Rance) had their worst games of the year.
Throw in the back 6 who outside of Houli and Rance where diabolical then you have no chance, zippo, nada, zilch
And don't get me started on our so called leaders.... We had none
Grimes can hold his head high, otherwise I agree.
Agree Grimes really stood up. Agree Floss did not have a good game.
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usually vlastuin is required to take someone
the opposition leave chaplin as the loose cause they know hes no good
The opposition don't choose which player goes to them ::). Fact is Vlas was our loose for majority of the game
yeah they do
in the exact way that we did not man up hansen
Did we choose Hansen to be the loose back? How silly we should of chose Nahas
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Agree to disagree.
Good idea to stop arguing. Can't call out certain players for having a poo game because they are a favourite but if you think someone like Grigg or Chaplin had a good game then you are a complete nuffer. Can't win
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I am bias
Cause I do like the big headed Dutchman
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The more I watch that not holding the ball incident in our forward pocket the more I am prepared to say......we woz robbed
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We lost because we were poo. Crap. No good. Useless. Don't blame one poor decision on the loss.
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WA so the decision goes our way...what happens next?
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WA so the decision goes our way...what happens next?
Mate the question has to be asked, WTF were we doing in that position in the first place. We should never have to rely on umpires to win us games or even get us in front.
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Don't get me wrong WA we were inspid yesterday..however it does happen in games where one wrong player decision eg Bacha houli V freo or maybe yesterdays umpiring boo boo can and does cost you a game
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That has nothing to do with having to rely on the umps. It's the fact that such a blatant free was missed that would have given us a kick to take the lead. A goal that may have inspired the team to dig in, instead a goal went the other way and the wind was taken out of our sails.
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Inspired the team to dig in.... Please. We were not in this game, the contested possessions says it all. Don't fool yourself with one decision that was wrong. Yes it was wrong but to think that could have turned the game is very silly really.
So what would have happened if we got the free and missed the goal. Would that have changed the contested possessions????
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Not good enough.
Still.
Best thing is, it wasn't a wasted year.
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Too many passengers.
Not enough conductors.
Not enough drivers.
Too much left to too few.
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You can't win finals with blokes like conca, Grigg, Chaplin, Ellis, an unfit griff.
They soooo don't have it.
Glaringly apparent when Cotch and lids are tagged out because they STILL can't shake a good one.
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That has nothing to do with having to rely on the umps. It's the fact that such a blatant free was missed that would have given us a kick to take the lead. A goal that may have inspired the team to dig in, instead a goal went the other way and the wind was taken out of our sails.
x2.
The whole point of having 3 field umpires is to remove the howlers.
Should add that the non-HTB decision came just after Jack was whacked across the face going for a mark, followed by Conca having his jumper clearly pulled away from his body when he was chasing a inside F50 loose ball. Yes, we have only ourselves to blame especially for our pathetic and soft 3rd quarter :facepalm, but the umpiring in the last quarter and especially that non-HTB decision was an utter disgrace and daylight robbery >:(. It was a game and momentum changer.
Out of interest, who was the umpire in our F50 area in the last quarter?
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That's the umpiring rant out of the way ;D.
Now onto our 'effort' :P.
We lost for the same reason we didn't make the top 4 and for the same reason we don't flog bottom sides. It's called a lack of ruthlessness and footy brains and nous due to soft schoolboy errors and momentum killing brainfades :scream.
* All day, Tiger players over-running the ball on the ground.
* All day, Tiger players missing short passes to open teammates and kicking it to Kangaroos (eg: Lids missing Grigg and hitting a Roo; Grigg missing a slipping Dusty; Conca on the run out of defence short chipping and missing a open target 20m away, etc ...).
* Second half had too many Tigers not going when it was their turn (apologies to Grimes and a few others who put their body on the line all day). We often sat off reactive to the North players attacking the footy. Result was a string of soft efforts, lame mistackles and being smashed in contested footy. Quite simply we were physically SOFT!
* The 3rd quarter itself was a soft error-a-thon :banghead. In just the first 5 mins:
- Two overcooked backward handpasses in the back half.
- Dusty and Rance's aimless kicks of a loose ball from full-back to a North player on D50.
- Chaplin playing on in defence and getting caught by Nahas.
- Ellis and McIntosh failing to kill the ball across the boundary line and being easily pushed aside.
No wonder we were on the back foot and under pressure :banghead.
Finals are scrutinised more, so these schoolboy errors stand out more, but we do them EVERY week and for lengthy periods in EVERY game and it's across most of the team :scream. Even our 'stars' seem to pull these brainfades out of nowhere :help. I would argue that our only complete four quarter effort this year was in beating Hawthorn and perhaps the Freo win at Subi where we absorbed the pressure.
1. Carlton - took 1.5 quarters to wake up.
2. Bulldogs - similar to our two finals losses at the 'G. Outworked and soft effort but lost narrowly on the scoreboard.
3. Brisbane - first half was laughably poor but the Lions are so bad that we got away with it.
4. Melbourne - see Bulldogs game but worse because it was Melbourne.
5. Geelong - another similar loss to a 'bogey' side.
6. North - enough said.
7. Coll'wood - first quarter was just insipid before we woke up.
8. Port - won without scoring in the 3rd quarter.
9. Essendon - didn't kick a goal for 25 mins in the 3rd quarter which allowed the Bombers back in the game.
10. Fremantle - first quality effort of the season.
Bye
12. West Coast - back to a similar 'finals at the 'G' performance.
13. Sydney - insipid first half followed by brilliant second half.
14. GWS - Got across the line thanks to a good last quarter after three terrible quarters.
15. Carlton - 4 goals to two first half against one of the worst Carlton sides in memory.
16. St Kilda - Went to sleep in the last quarter as the margin shrank from 52 down to just 16.
17. Fremantle - Ironically, was one of our better general play effort but lost thanks to poor goalkicking.
18. Hawthorn - best effort of the season and over four quarters.
19. Adelaide - flu may be an excuse but clearly smashed.
20. Gold Coast - the perfect example of why we are where we are. Flying start to lead by 5 goals 10 mins into the 2nd qtr and are in complete control in terms of general play against a bottom side. A 'normal' top 5 side would be feeling confident and on top of the game and on top of an ordinary opposition in a one-sided contest. Not us! We inexplicitly and without warning go into our 'brainfade, a la let's make stupid schoolboy mistakes' mode and allow the Suns to kick 3 of the last 4 goals to allow them back into the game on the scoreboard. We wake up again after half-time but the 83 point win doesn't hide the underlying problem with the team. Important to note that there's no "finals pressure" but we still go into this moronic mode without warning and can't get ourselves out of it until a quarter or half-time break.
21. Collingwood - 91 point flogging and especially a 9-goal last quarter romp was fun but it doesn't hide either the 2nd quarter pasting in general play we copped where the Maggies dominated the inside 50s (similar to North's 3rd quarter in the final).
22. Essendon - Terrible game. Only eventually put them away late 3rd/early 4th.
23. North - won against B-side.
It's a harsh assessment given we do play tough, contested and quality footy for lengthy periods of time as well and no one expects even the best teams to be on their game every week. But as a mate in a group I watch footy with says, the most frustrating and irritating players and teams are those that do the right thing 75% of the time but then gift opposition goals through moronic stuff-ups the remaining 25%.
So for the media 'experts', our schoolboy errors and physical and mental fragility in one game is classed as choking under pressure of finals. Sorry but we do these stuff-ups EVERY week, far too often each week and often under no pressure.
We won't become a top side until we eliminate most of these schoolboy errors and perform at an elite AFL standard more consistently throughout whole games across a whole season, let alone finals. This will involve further turning over our list and bringing in more skilled and tougher footballers to add better quality and depth to our playing list.
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Spot on, MT! But how do we change it? Is it a culturàl thing, leadership, concentration, or just a playing group that isn't quite up to playing first class footy?
Similarly, is the coaching group up to it either? Match day selection and match ups seem ineffective at times.
I have trouble understanding how the coaching group so often fails to motivate the players, either at the start of games or after half time. We rarely seem to hit the field with a ruthless sense of purpose.
I'm puzzled
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comes down to the cattle, simple, we don't have em
Not going to blame the coaching, we had a lot of players who spudded it up big time on the day. Some squibbed hard contests, North didn't, Some made ridiculous decisions which turned the ball over in circumstances that baffle the mind. We were baked pretty early on and did not spread, could not get free and they managed to drag the game down into a scrag fight which suited them fine when they were defending, and they out marked us cleanly when attacking, made us look like mugs.
I will add they got away with a lot of jumper holding when we tried to spread but we can't control what the umps do and have to stuffing deal with it and should of expected that poo from North anyway, especially in a final, it's no holds stuffing barred.
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This pretty well says it all;
Why Richmond lost to North Melbourne, week one of finals analysed, What You Missed On TV Last Night
an hour ago
Max LaughtonFOX SPORTS
Sunday afternoon’s loss to North Melbourne was their third straight in an elimination final and means the Tigers haven’t won a final since 2001.
Fox Footy analyst David King believes Richmond has had a flaw ever since then, and that strategy has been the cause for their horror decade and a half.
“Harassment levels of the Kangaroos forced them into decisions they wouldn’t want to make,” King told the team On The Couch.
“It comes back to planning against Richmond and this has been a flaw for the Tigers for 15 years.
“They’ve started to defend this year by retaining possession and it just doesn’t work in finals.”
King and the Couch crew discussed how Richmond’s strategy has evolved under Damien Hardwick to a point where they love to switch sides of the ground frequently.
In response, North Melbourne pushed up and manned up on the Tigers, not allowing them to chip sideways and gather uncontested marks at wider points of the ground.
Roos pushed up and manned up. Usually they like to chip sideways and get uncontested marks wide.
“The defensive structure of the Kangaroos took away the way the Tigers wanted to play,” explained Jason Dunstall.
Triple premiership Brisbane Lion Jonathan Brown compared it to how Port Adelaide performed against the Lions in the early 2000s.
Brown said the Power couldn’t get over the hump and win that elusive flag until they changed their style to a way that suits finals footy.
“Leigh Matthews used to say to us trust in our game style, it’ll work in finals. If you keep chipping it, around the pressure builds,” Brown explained.
Gerard Healy thought the contested ball numbers for Richmond’s stars told the story.
Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards, Dustin Martin and Brett Deledio all had six or fewer contested possessions in the elimination final, well below their season averages. Only Anthony Miles stood up in this measure with 15.
Brandon Ellis also found it hard to escape a hard tag from Sam Gibson, finishing with just 10 disposals.
The Couch team also looked at Dustin Martin’s impact, as he gathered possessions early but couldn’t make an impact with them.
‘Dusty’ had 21 disposals in the game but just five of them were in Richmond’s forward half, and none of them were inside their forward 50.
Other topics covered on the Monday night TV agenda:
TOP of the agenda was the first week of the finals, kicking off with Richmond’s loss to North Melbourne.
AFL 360 co-host Gerard Whateley began by putting it simply, saying “the Tigers lost because they weren’t good enough.”
His co-host Mark Robinson was most frustrated with how similar the result was to Richmond’s loss to Port Adelaide in an elimination final in 2014.
“You can’t move on with Richmond,” Robinson said.
“The most annoying thing about this game is they had 12 months after the heavy defeat last year and they played a year of solid football.
“They waited 12 months to get back to the exact same stage and they played soft football. They weren’t mentally ready.
“The players and coach have to take a level of that criticism and as a group they were found wanting again.”
He and Whateley agreed that the Tigers’ list simply isn’t good enough and requires additions in the off-season.
They pointed to Ivan Maric’s performance as simply not strong enough, with a ruckman high on the shopping list.
“Their base shouldn’t be washed away but what they have is insufficient,” argued Whateley.
Robinson agreed, saying “Maric has been fantastic but he can’t do it anymore.”
“They need to be bold and go after Adam Treloar and rip him from Collingwood. They’re in for Harley Bennell. Steve Johnson is available.
“They have to get more talent into their forward half and add to the midfield.”
It was agreed that the Tigers will likely be in a similar position in 12 months’ time and will need to finally measure up in 2016 or repercussions will be felt throughout the club.
“The burden has never been heavier on Richmond than it is now,” Whateley said.
WINNERS on Sunday North Melbourne were given plenty of credit however, producing intense pressure that’s critical in the finals.
“They didn’t give Richmond room to move the ball, that’s why there were so many hacked and hurried kicks in defence,” argued Robinson.
“Everything that Brad Scott did worked. The key match-ups all went North Melbourne’s way.”
He gave specific credit to leaders Andrew Swallow, Michael Firrito, Todd Goldstein, Jack Ziebell and Ben Cunnington.
Whateley approved of how the Roos’ free agency moves impacted on the victory, in particular with Shaun Higgins and Jarrad Waite.
“The broader endorsement for Scott is he had Higgins and Waite enhance the firepower,” he said.
“The overall question on North Mebourne is is it a better team? The answer it seems is yes.”
LINDSAY Thomas was fined for a silly incident where he appeared to kick Dylan Grimes soon after coming on as the sub.
The co-hosts were in agreement that the move was simple stupidity from the Roo.
“Let’s be honest, he’s an idiot. It’s an idiotic thing to do,” Robinson said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/why-richmond-lost-to-north-melbourne-week-one-of-finals-analysed-what-you-missed-on-tv-last-night/story-fnp04d70-1227527392109
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I think we can all agree that we are still the EGG team.
.......so nothing has really changed.
The fact that our 5 elected "leaders" including the captain were the softest eggs says more about us that any footy analysts. These guys have cemented there place in history of this club with substandard soft as pansies footy when it most counts unless they can perform in finals this will be their longstanding legacy.
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They would have been fresh if rested th week before
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Some very good talk from Mooney on SEN where it went wrong with us and the way they dealt with it at the Cats, also said what Thompson wound have done to change it. That shows me Hardwick is further away from being competent to take us further. Also how immature and selfish our players are.
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'Mental' we need some real guns.
Be ruthless richmond and let the blood run, no one expendable and get some guns into the team.
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“The burden has never been heavier on Richmond than it is now,” Whateley said.
Nope. Much rather this position than being bottom dwellers and being compared to worst teams in history
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Well, Cunnington believes North won due to Goldstein eventually getting on top in the ruck and feeding their mids.
"I felt 'Goldy' (Todd Goldstein) got his hand to the ball (at ruck contests) a bit more as the game went on.
"To Richmond's credit, they were really picking and sharking our hit-outs early so we tried to keep mixing up our hits and in the end I think we just got on top.
"It was a credit to the whole midfield group."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-16/i-thought-i-was-gone-says-cunnington-about-the-edwards-tackle
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Some very good talk from Mooney on SEN where it went wrong with us and the way they dealt with it at the Cats, also said what Thompson wound have done to change it. That shows me Hardwick is further away from being competent to take us further. Also how immature and selfish our players are.
Can’t let your skipper get beat up: Mooney
Joshua Papanikolaou
SEN
15 Sep 2015
It is unacceptable and an indictment on the Richmond playing group that captain Trent Cotchin was blanketed out of the game by a tagger, says Cameron Mooney.
He was held to just nine possessions, including just three kicks, against North Melbourne in the elimination final by Kangaroos midfielder Ben Jacobs.
“Yeah Cotchin had a poor game and he’ll have to live with that the whole summer,” said Mooney on SEN radio.
“But he’s their captain and arguably the best player so how could you allow him to be manhandled, pushed and shoved?
“There is no way in the world Geelong or Hawthorn, or if you go back to the days with Brisbane big Browny would have come through and knocked Jacobs on his backside.
“You can’t allow a person to dictate to your best player like they did on Saturday.”
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick has claimed through the season his group has significantly developed in terms of leadership on the field.
Mooney suggests that the inability for anyone to take the initiative and help their captain on the biggest of stages proves they still have work to do.
The former Geelong forward claims such a thing would never of happened within his team when the Cats were winning premierships.
“I’m so disappointed, it just showed me that they are still some distance away from being a real mature group,” he said.
“They’ve said throughout the year that they have matured but it came to the biggest game of the year and it went out the door.
“I could not believe that somebody didn’t go and put some serious pressure on Jacobs when they ran past him.
“You could just see it unfolding and they all started freezing up, they didn’t think team.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/09-15/can-t-let-your-skipper-get-beat-up-mooney
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Whilst I agree with the fact that players should protect their captain I also think that Cotchin had to pull his finger from out of his arse too and impose himself, don't let a skinny kid push you around. As far as I know your still allowed to bump and shepherd in this game, so you get fined for wrestling who gives a rats.
I couldn't think of a better opportunity to flex some muscle than when Thomas kicked Grimes, someone (including the captain) should've ripped his fat head right off his midget body. Good to see Rance came in straight away & shook him like a rag doll but I reckon a good old fashion all in melee was what we needed during a lacklustre third qtr might have woken a few of the leaders up.
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9 disposals in a final from your captain is absurd....it almost suggests he did nothing to shake the tag off.
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Miles had no protection at all yet he continued to find the ball. Hardwick should have moved Cotchin deep into the forwardline where he would have assisted with keeping the ball in the forwardline.
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All Cotchin had to do was spend 10 mins standing in the goal square
Long ball in
Isolated
Footy is an easy game
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All Cotchin had to do was spend 10 mins standing in the goal square
Long ball in
Isolated
Footy is an easy game
:thumbsup
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I have been mostly supportive of our coaching staff this year but the blunders during this final seem endless.
1.playing griff and conca
2 refusing to play either of lids,dusty or cotch (one on one)in the forward line.
3.doing nothing to change things round in the middle.
4.Doing nothing about Waite.
5.this final one was absolutely glaring to many of us and that was Nth having 2 or 3 loose players at the back of each contest ,where the ball would inevitably find its way.
6.By the way did anyone notice chocco at 3/4 time standing about 20-30metres from the huddle seemingly gesturing to the crowd?
anyway that's how it seemed to me.
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All Cotchin had to do was spend 10 mins standing in the goal square
Long ball in
Isolated
Footy is an easy game
Yep
Really weird coaching
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Mooney is right.
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All Cotchin had to do was spend 10 mins standing in the goal square
Long ball in
Isolated
Footy is an easy game
Exactly. Or have him co-tag the North tagging target and let oiur tagged guy block.
Park football 101.
But too much pride and faith, not enough intelligence
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FFS, I was saying that at the game!