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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: The Mole on December 07, 2015, 03:47:09 PM
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stories popping up on FB that Dusty might have been a naughty boy over the weekend :wallywink
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delist
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stories popping up on FB that Dusty might have been a naughty boy over the weekend :wallywink
Do you work for the HUN or CH7? ;D
They are Both are making it sound like he's committed an act of treason or something
Anyways... Form the highly reputable HUN
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UPDATE: @Richmond_FC will release statement about Dustin Martin incident this afternoon trib.al/1qouCIc
And this
JUST IN: Dustin Martin involved in drunken altercation at Chapel St restaurant trib.al/XLsGECD #Melbourne
And this from CH 7
EXCLUSIVE: A woman tells of her terror after footballer Dustin Martin threatened to stab her in a city restaurant.
Unfortunately, the HUN articles are subscriber only so I can't post those
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Peed in a mail box
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From The Age
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Richmond star Dustin Martin apologises for drunken restaurant incident
Date December 7, 2015 - 3:55PM
Michael Gleeson
Sports Writer for The Age
Richmond's Dustin Martin was told to leave a Chapel St restaurant on Saturday night after being drunk and offensive to other diners.
A female customer at the restaurant called the club on Monday to complain about the behaviour of the senior player who was drunk and offensive to her and others at the restaurant.
The Tigers player, who has been punished by the club in the past for drunken incidents, was asked by management of Mr Miyagi Japanese restaurant to leave after he upset customers with his behaviour,
Sober and contrite on Monday, Martin called the female customer who complained about him and apologised to her for his behaviour.
A club spokesman said Martin's behaviour was clearly unacceptable, he had apologised to the woman in question as well as the managers and owners of the restaurant.
"He had been drinking and was clearly disruptive to other diners and a female patron," the club spokesman confirmed.
"He has subsequently called her and apologised ... his behaviour was not good enough."
The club was yet to say what, if any, further action they might take against the player as they had only just determined what had occurred.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-star-dustin-martin-pologises-for-drunken-restaurant-incident-20151207-glhfdp.html#ixzz3tbmVjOMn
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Trade him for anything we can get
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Not condoning what he did, totally the opposite he was a moron
But can someone explain to me why this woman if she was so aggrieved by what happened didn't call the cops on the night?
Why has she waited until this morning to call the club and go the the media (in this case Ch7)?
I really don't get it
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threatened to stab? like when Angus Graham slapped a girl in a club? whatever lol
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Trade him for anything we can get
Send a message, we can't tolerate this. Delisted
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No shortage of morons at chapel at
Make and female
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I blame Caro
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WGAF. Very boring waiting for the season to start.
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WGAF. Very boring waiting for the season to start.
Violence against women is an issue, I would hope it doesn't bore you mate !
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And this from CH 7
EXCLUSIVE: A woman tells of her terror after footballer Dustin Martin threatened to stab her in a city restaurant.
With a chopstick
I kid you not
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:lol part of me hopes that is true :lol
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(http://jeremymangerchine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/mr-miyagi-resized-600.png)
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And this from CH 7
EXCLUSIVE: A woman tells of her terror after footballer Dustin Martin threatened to stab her in a city restaurant.
With a chopstick
I kid you not
:snidegrin
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WGAF. Very boring waiting for the season to start.
Violence against women is an issue, I would hope it doesn't bore you mate !
Did I miss something?
He was violent towards a woman ?
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Just a lagging dog with a bone to pick.
Feminist.
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And this from CH 7
EXCLUSIVE: A woman tells of her terror after footballer Dustin Martin threatened to stab her in a city restaurant.
With a chopstick
I kid you not
(Soy) Source?
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I don't think you trust
In my self-righteous suicide
I cry when angels deserve to die
In my self-righteous suicide
I cry when angels deserve to die
Father, father, father, father
Father, into your hands I commend my spirit
Father, into your hands
Why have you forsaken me?
In your eyes forsaken me
In your thoughts forsaken me
In your heart forsaken me, oh
Trust in my self-righteous suicide
I cry when angels deserve to die
In my self-righteous suicide
I cry when angels deserve to
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#Opportunistic # FauxIdealism #idiot
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# itsAllAboutUs
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The media were just fanging for this :lol
So Ralphy, what have we got for tomorrows HUN?
Hartung wins hawks time trial... wait a woman was annoyed by a drunk male.
So what Ralphy, that happens all the time.
Did I mention the male was Dusty Martin!!
What a SCOOP!!
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If he did what has been reported then hope the leadership group comes down on him like a tonne of bricks. Completely unacceptable
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The female customer, a producer who works at Channel 7, said she was threatened with a chopstick.
Lmao
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3aw's Sam McClure:
"There is a massive difference between being "asked to leave" a restaurant and "threatening to stab someone". Something's not right here."
"Revelations from Caroline Wilson that the woman at the centre of the Dusty saga was a channel 7 employee who was pressured to go public."
https://twitter.com/sam_mcclure/
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TV producers are wankers. Male or Female.
stuff her.
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Unfortunately, all AFL footballers represent their club when socialising. As such they need to be on their best behaviour. This behaviour is unacceptable for anyone at any stage but becomes newsworthy when a footballer or other well known identity is involved.
The only good part of all of this is that it happened in the off season and he will not be paying the price with suspension from H&A games. Just hope he learns from this and doesn't repeat the same mistake.
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Dustin Martin in drunken altercation at Chapel St restaurant
JON KAILA
Herald Sun
an hour ago
RICHMOND ace Dustin Martin threatened to stab a young woman in the eye and slammed his hand against a wall behind her head in a drunken restaurant outburst.
The Tigers star today apologised to his victim over the vicious Saturday night attack at Chapel St’s trendy Mr Miyagi restaurant and bar.
Witnesses to the explosion said a menacing Martin had told the petrified woman “I’ll f***ing stab you’’, while holding a chopstick above her eye, after she asked him to calm down.
Dozens of incredulous diners watched as Martin then slammed his open palm into the wall behind her head.
Seconds later, the restaurant manager, a second man and the hostess escorted the regular out of the venue, apologising to other patrons for his behaviour.
It is understood an official complaint was made to the club this morning, with senior representatives pledging to investigate the incident.
At about lunchtime, Martin is understood to have apologised to the 30-year-old victim, accepting responsibility for threatening and intimidating her, conceding he “had too much to drink’’.
Witnesses said the Tigers player was clearly “very intoxicated’’ prior to the incident at about 10pm on Saturday.
“He had been sat in the corner of the bar having shot after shot,’’ one witness said.
After he began disturbing diners the young woman then beckoned Martin over to her table and suggested that given his profile, he should consider quietening down, a witness said.
“Then he erupted,’’ one onlooker said.
The incident happened at trendy Chapel St restaurant and bar Mr Miyagi.
“He wasn’t shouting but he was very aggressive. He was snarling and swearing.’’
The terrified woman begged “go away, please go away’’, according to diners.
Then he raised the chopstick and finally banged the wall next to her head, prompting the manager and staff to drag him out.
“It is not acceptable for a man to threaten a woman like that,’’ one onlooker said.
“The club needs to act, and so do the AFL, if they are serious about tackling violence against women.’’
A co-owner of Mr Miyagi’s, who would not give his name, initially denied anything had happened before later admitting: “something went down.”
“He (Martin) was here with a mate, just sitting at the bar,” he said after consulting with other co-owners.
“An incident happened, some words were said, something went down and I think the manager went over and he was told it was probably best to leave, or I think he knew he should, and he walked out.”
He denied anything happened with a chopstick or a wall being hit.
“He comes in here often. He’s a nice guy.”
The club put out at statement late today:
“Richmond Football Club is aware of an incident at a Melbourne restaurant involving Dustin Martin.
“Martin has admitted he had been drinking before arriving at the restaurant.
“He has subsequently called a female patron to apologise and that apology has been accepted.
“Martin has also apologised to restaurant management.
“The Club leaders will talk to Dustin and consider what action to take later in the week.”
Martin was quoted in the club statement as saying: “Regrettably, I was intoxicated and that in itself is completely unacceptable.
“I do however take responsibility for my behaviour and I am deeply embarrassed.”
“If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened then that is totally inappropriate.”
Martin took a trip to Las Vegas at the end of the AFL season, posting happy snaps on Instagram with Collingwood champion Dane Swan.
In 2012 Martin was suspended for two weeks by the club and banned from socialising with former teammate Daniel Conners after the pair slept through a training session.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/dustin-martin-in-drunken-altercation-at-chapel-st-restaurant/news-story/56f92229cabcae3a33288c5748d683c2
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"After he began disturbing diners the young woman then beckoned Martin over to her table and suggested that given his profile, he should consider quietening down, a witness said..."The terrified woman begged “go away, please go away’’
Eff me
ch7 producer was trying to avoid trouble......by demanding a drunk person come to her table and telling him to shut up
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Ch 7 "Producer" :snidegrin
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Condescending cow.
Mind your own business
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And this from CH 7
EXCLUSIVE: A woman tells of her terror after footballer Dustin Martin threatened to stab her in a city restaurant.
With a chopstick
I kid you not
Well it's a "chop" stick
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Called him over to her table.
The all-knowing TV producer.
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I believe this is a serious issue. Chopstick related crime has been on the increase in Asia recently, it was only a matter of time before it reared it's ugly head in Australia.
http://shanghaiist.com/2014/04/15/man-stabs-taiwanese-shop-owner-in-neck-150-times.php
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-chopstick-idUSHKG33247020070705
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Sounds to me like he was stitched up, set up to draw out an action on his part. Even if true the way he handled it was completely inappropriate.
You need to be smarter than this Dustin or just don't drink.
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The woman is a Ch7 employee?
Dusty was a moron not disputing that for a minute
But CH7 seriously :facepalm
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# itsAllAboutUs
Dusty
Baoltelli
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I believe this is a serious issue. Chopstick related crime has been on the increase in Asia recently, it was only a matter of time before it reared it's ugly head in Australia.
http://shanghaiist.com/2014/04/15/man-stabs-taiwanese-shop-owner-in-neck-150-times.php
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-chopstick-idUSHKG33247020070705
:lol
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Make him sit in the stands round 1 ....can't put up with that crap.
Would never happen to Lids , Cotch , Jack or Rance.
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Let's not get silly
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Dustin Martin apologises after restaurant altercation
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
December 7, 2015
RICHMOND'S leaders will meet with "a deeply embarrassed" Dustin Martin this week to decide if the midfielder will be sanctioned for disruptive behaviour that saw him ejected from a Melbourne restaurant on Saturday night.
A female patron of Windsor eatery Mr Miyagi has accused the 24-year-old of threatening to stab her in the face with a chopstick after she told him to settle down.
Martin, who is known to lead a vibrant social life and has been sanctioned before for off-field exploits, was drinking at the restaurant's bar when he became unruly.
He had also been drinking before arriving and had attended the Stereosonic music festival earlier in the day.
Martin was eventually asked to leave Mr Miyagi after the altercation with the female customer, who Channel Seven identified only as "Tracey" on Monday night.
She said she had noticed a "rather inebriated" Martin drinking shots at the bar and going "in and out of the bathroom".
After telling him to reel in his boisterous behaviour, she said the midfielder became aggressive.
"He reacted extremely angrily and was very agitated, he began swearing at me and standing over me physically. It was extremely intimidating," she told Channel Seven.
"He physically stood over me and held a chopstick above my head and threatened to stab me in the face with the chopstick.
"He said, 'Are you going to dob on me?' and I said, 'Well, I will be calling the club on Monday', to which he reacted by slamming his hand next to my head into the wall, which at that point was obviously extremely terrifying."
The Tigers said on Monday afternoon Martin's apology to the woman had since been accepted.
"Regrettably, I was intoxicated and that in itself is completely unacceptable," Martin said.
"I do however take responsibility for my behaviour and I am deeply embarrassed.
"If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened then that is totally inappropriate."
Martin, who started summer training late last month after a long off-season spent largely with Collingwood midfielder Dane Swan, will now face the club's leaders over the indiscretion.
It was in the middle of 2012 Martin was suspended for two weeks after missing training in an incident that saw former Tiger Daniel Connors – who had a list of prior off-field issues to his name - sacked.
The two players allegedly consumed sleeping tablets the night before and slept through their alarm.
Martin was fined in August this year for making a lewd gesture to the Collingwood cheer squad during the Tigers' win over the Magpies in round 21.
He had previously been fined for making a handcuffs signal in the Tigers' 2013 elimination final loss to Carlton.
The explosive midfielder was runner up to Alex Rance in the Tigers' best and fairest this season after averaging 26 disposals and kicking 24 goals across every game.
It was the third-straight season in which he finished in the top-three of the Jack Dyer medal count..
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-07/dustin-martin-apologises-after-restaurant-altercation
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Caro on 3aw ...
AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/boos/3914048-caroline-wilson-with-the-latest-on-chapel-street-incident-involving-dustin-martin
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Dustin Martin 'deeply embarrassed' by incident on Chapel Street
3aw
December 7, 2015 - 9:36PM
Fresh details have emerged about an incident involving an apparently "blind drunk" Dustin Martin at a Chapel Street restaurant on Saturday night.
The Richmond ace has been accused of threatening to stab a woman with a chopstick.
Martin apologised on Monday for his actions.
But Caroline Wilson revealed on Sports Today the woman in question was a Channel 7 employee and "wasn't all that happy" the story went public.
"She didn't particularly want to go public but was put under pressure, that's what I'm told," Wilson revealed on 3AW.
"That doesn't mean it's not true.
"I've got no reason to disbelieve her, Richmond has no reason to disbelieve her.
"Clearly, if she decides to take the matter further - which she had not been planning to do - then Dustin could be in trouble with the police.
"You can't threaten to stab someone, even if it's a chopstick.
"He (Martin) was absolutely blind drunk and apparently doesn't remember a huge amount of what happened."
http://www.3aw.com.au/news/dustin-martin-deeply-embarrassed-by-incident-on-chapel-street-20151207-glhmj1.html
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Unconfirmed reports about there being another Richmond player involved too.
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Chris Yarran come on downnnnnnn!!!
jks.
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The Herald-Sun website has some video ....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/video/id-xxOTdkeToTIha6IhuAqkNI__7xfnHiv1/Is-this-Dustin-Martin-being-told-to-leave-a-restaurant? (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/video/id-xxOTdkeToTIha6IhuAqkNI__7xfnHiv1/Is-this-Dustin-Martin-being-told-to-leave-a-restaurant?)
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Sounds like he didn't handle the drink too well. Threatening a woman physically is totally unacceptable by anyone.
I expect the club's leaders will collect as much info as they can and send a strong message here.
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probably mistook her for a dim sim
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Ch 7 news report tonight about Dusty including the woman being interviewed:
VIDEO: https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/video/watch/30298088/1207_1800_vic_dustin/#page1 (https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/video/watch/30298088/1207_1800_vic_dustin/#page1)
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Why is this now seemingly becoming a bigger story than Lewis Taylor doing ten grand worth of criminal damage the other week?
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Sounds like he didn't handle the drink too well. Threatening a woman physically is totally unacceptable by anyone.
I expect the club's leaders will collect as much info as they can and send a strong message here.
How do you know what she said
To mr dusty?
Unacceptable is a strong word
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In all seriousness sounds like he was obviously being boisterous and no excuse to threaten a woman.
Her, instead of being a polite lady, sinks to his level "obviously knowing who he is' and decides to play the chick with a dick, where she could of just discreetly complained to the establishment and had him removed.
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If she stabbed him ceaser style... Would that be a valid excuse? To play devils ado
While I have the highest respect for the fairer sex
We must be carful when taking in absolutes or ultra feminist
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If she thought that Dusty was uncontrollably wild & a bit too hot to handle its a good thing she didn't try the Wasabi! ;D
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I wonder which club she supports. She should accept his apology, build a bridge, and get over it.
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"She said she had noticed a "rather inebriated" Martin drinking shots at the bar and going "in and out of the bathroom".
After telling him to reel in his boisterous behaviour, she said the midfielder became aggressive.
"He reacted extremely angrily and was very agitated, he began swearing at me and standing over me physically. It was extremely intimidating"
This is basically the quote which exposes the person in question.
I have zero trust in someone who speaks in this way.
She wants a story which Dusty has facilitated.
People in the "community" as they call it can be cretins.
Here's Proof
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I saw her walking from the hips down on the channel seven news.
She wouldn't allow her face to be shown.
She has a fat arse too.
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What a cow ...
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Not excusing what dusty did as its unacceptable.
Correct me if I'm wrong, these are the key aspects of the channel 7 producers involvement.
1) Beckoned a blind drunk guy to her table and told him to shut up because people know who he is.
2) Expected a likelihood that said blind drunk guy to react normally and courteously.
3) dusty threatened her. Was mortified when Dusty did not react in the expected way.
4) however, did not go to the police.
5) waited days before contacting the club to complain.
6) had her arm twisted into going public.
7) but wishes to remain anonymous.
There's a lot of questionable judgement and decisions being made.
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Who made this woman god, in charge of telling others to " to reel in his boisterous behaviour? Is she captiAn planet
What would have rather him done at a bar, play chess?
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Then he grabbed two chopsticks and stuck them in his mouth , pretending to be a walrus
:lol :lol
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Not excusing what dusty did as its unacceptable.
Correct me if I'm wrong, these are the key aspects of the channel 7 producers involvement.
1) Beckoned a blind drunk guy to her table and told him to shut up because people know who he is.
2) Expected a likelihood that said blind drunk guy to react normally and courteously.
3) dusty threatened her. Was mortified when Dusty did not react in the expected way.
4) however, did not go to the police.
5) waited days before contacting the club to complain.
6) had her arm twisted into going public.
7) but wishes to remain anonymous.
There's a lot of questionable judgement and decisions being made.
Pretty sure the club and players would be thinking what a shame the pisshead didn't listen to her.
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Three shots in an hour. What an animal. Good thing she had a go
Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun
If the sun don't come
You get a tan from standing in the English rain
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the walrus, goo goo g' joob goo goo goo g' joob
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She looked as though she had wolfed down a couple of hundred dimmies herself.
Lucky for her it wasn't a joe blow she faced down.
She should be nominated for the Darwin Awards.
This Melbourne microcosm is truly pitiful.
You can go anywhere on any given day and see someone behaving in an average manner.
The only difference is that most people tend to ignore it.
You would think DM was being accused of a terrorist act of aggression the way the media are carrying on.
Maybe she asked for his number and he knocked her back?😂
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Yes this female may well have said something to him but regardless of what was said, his response was totally inappropriate.
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Stitched up beautifully.
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Let's see Peggy sue spearhead a big suspension for dusty
Woman's rights and all that
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The RCGG membership seems to have increased over the last few days.
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The RCGG membership seems to have increased over the last few days.
Can you elaborate Germaine Greer ?
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Yes this female may well have said something to him but regardless of what was said, his response was totally inappropriate.
Agree
Have said a couple of times he was complete moron and his actions were disgusting
After having time to consider it all
Taking out how it all came to being in the public domain which is I think is dubious at best the fact is he, while drunk threatened someone; gender is not the issue. The issue is he threatened someone. So based on that...
I believe he needs to be punished and it needs to be a decent punishment, slap over a the wrist and a token fine isn't enough. Understand under the CBA maximum he can be fined is $5k what a farcical situation that is
Anyway IMESHO he should cop a suspension of the entire preseason comp and a minimum of 5 weeks of the main season, the $5k fine is obvious but I'd be telling him it's in his best interest to donate a large chunk of change to White Ribbon. I'd also get him to spend some time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message
Just my take
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Might have to delist him too
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I cannot understand how suspending him from playing is good. The club and its supporters end up being punished.
I would be much happier to see him lose 5 weeks of match payments but forced to play for nothing instead. Of course, current AFLPA rules prohibit this which is ludicrous.
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The sliver lining.................the merkin will be spewing as market price has just dropped
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How many games did Milne an daw miss
Wp ?
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Give Martin a 12-month ban, says Barlett
AAP
December 8, 2015 11:03 AM
RICHMOND legend Kevin Bartlett wants the club to throw the book at Dustin Martin, calling on the Tigers star to be banned for a year.
Martin has apologised after a woman accused him of threatening to stab her in the face with a chopstick.
The Richmond midfielder admits he was drunk at the time of the Saturday night incident.
He was eventually asked to leave the Mr Miyagi restaurant on Chapel St in South Yarra.
The Tigers issued a statement on Monday afternoon after the woman, identified only as Tracy, had contacted the club earlier that day.
Bartlett, who played 403 games for the Tigers and later coached the club, said Richmond's response was pathetic.
Tigers football manager Dan Richardson also separately called the incident a hiccup.
"Not one word that violence against women is totally unacceptable - and this is at an AFL club that has the first and only female president (Peggy O'Neal)," Bartlett said on SEN.
Richmond said in the statement that Martin would meet with club leaders later this week to decide what happens next.
But Bartlett said it needed a stronger and more urgent response from the Tigers in what shapes as a serious test of their leadership.
"This is not player No.42 on the club list - this is arguably their best player," Bartlett said.
He also noted that the AFL and its clubs strongly supported the campaign to end violence against women.
"It's hard to imagine a more serious allegation.
"A 12-month suspension and a $50,000 donation to an appropriate women's organisation seems a realistic and fair conclusion for the club, the AFL and the image of the game."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-08/give-martin-a-12month-ban-says-barlett
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Here's the audio of KB this morning ...
AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/boos/3917379-kb-and-greg-talk-dustin-martin
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KB's take: Suspend Martin for 12 months
Kevin Bartlett | 08 Dec 2015, 09:27AM
Richmond’s club statement yesterday involving Dustin Martin’s apology for threatening a woman in a public place was pathetic.
There were the usual regrets from the player. The apology and embarrassment from Martin and the comment that the club leaders will talk to Martin to consider action later in the week.
Not one word that violence against women is totally unacceptable. And this is at an AFL club that has the first and only female President. This allegation of this incident of threatening a woman to stab chopsticks in her eye as well threatening to kill her needed a more urgent and stronger response from Richmond.
This incident will test Richmond’s President Peggy O’Neil, CEO Brendon Gale, the Tigers coaching panel and the club’s board on which notable administrators such as Mal Speed sit on.
For this is not player number 42 on the club list, this is arguably their best player.
The AFL and clubs are strong against family violence and support for women with their respect and responsibility policies.
It’s hard to imagine a more serious allegation. A 12 month suspension and a $50,000 donation to an appropriate women’s organisation seems a realistic and fair conclusion for the club, the AFL and the image of the game.
I’m KB, that’s my take
Read more at http://www.sen.com.au/news/12-15/kbs-take-suspend-martin-for-12-months#Ew9vKOzfC4RKyFyH.99
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How many games did Milne an daw miss
Wp ?
Milne missed at least 3 for memory
So what's your point
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Can I add the clubs "response" to this has been shocking
No wonder we getting whacked from pillar to post
Nothing on the website, no from the club frosting the media
Where are you RFC?
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Can I add the clubs "response" to this has been shocking
No wonder we getting whacked from pillar to post
Nothing on the website, no from the club frosting the media
Where are you RFC?
They are a FOOTBALL club
What would you have them do?
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How many games did Milne an daw miss
Wp ?
Those 2 Hawks have been swept under the rug quietly too :shh
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How many games did Milne an daw miss
Wp ?
Milne missed at least 3 for memory
So what's your point
Did anyone get banned for 12 months when Saint Nick and friends set a midget on fire?
Why not?
Cause it wasn't a female midget?
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stuff her. Stupid bitch deserved it.
You idiots are pathetic.
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stuff her. Stupid bitch deserved it.
You idiots are pathetic.
:cheers
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stuff her. Stupid bitch deserved it.
You idiots are pathetic.
That's a bit rich Ox. I don't think anyone deserves what has been alleged.
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Agree, the response from the club has been really dissapointing, even if they are waiting for the dust to settle and get all the facts.
I think KB's take is obviously hyperbole, but it should be a hefty penalty, 6 weeks imo. He needs to learn a life lesson here, not just something trivial so the club can say they wacked him and we all sweep it under the carpet.
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Football clubs are the ones which teach life lessons are they?
I thought they were focused on football. And left the life lessons to the authorities of the state or church
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Football clubs are the ones which teach life lessons are they?
I thought they were focused on football. And left the life lessons to the authorities of the state or church
Absolutely yes they do. Even at a local footy club, there is a tremendous ethos on people achieving life goals outside of football.
As for church, not even 50% of young people in Australia regularly attend it. Can you really hold church as a better alternative to moulding young men than a football club?
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They are a FOOTBALL club
What would you have them do?
That you have to ask I think sums up your stance on this I suppose
If you think going around threatening people is OK, then that's your choice
But it isn't and to try and justify the clubs lack of action by comparing this to what other clubs have done or not done is a cop out
2 wrongs don't make a right
Someone should have faced the media by now rather than allowing all and sundry to crucify not only the player involved but our club as well
Football clubs are the ones which teach life lessons are they?
I thought they were focused on football. And left the life lessons to the authorities of the state or church
Hate to break this to you but yeah one of the many places you learn life lessons is the workplace, just like we all did at school, like we do at home
And we are talking about his workplace and they have a responsibility here
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Football clubs are the ones which teach life lessons are they?
I thought they were focused on football. And left the life lessons to the authorities of the state or church
Absolutely yes they do. Even at a local footy club, there is a tremendous ethos on people achieving life goals outside of football.
As for church, not even 50% of young people in Australia regularly attend it. Can you really hold church as a better alternative to moulding young men than a football club?
I couldn't give a flyin rats toss bag
I want a flag
Not a god dam team of role models they are crap at the sport in question
Come back to me when they win one flag then you can do all the PC crap you wish
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Football clubs are the ones which teach life lessons are they?
I thought they were focused on football. And left the life lessons to the authorities of the state or church
Absolutely yes they do. Even at a local footy club, there is a tremendous ethos on people achieving life goals outside of football.
As for church, not even 50% of young people in Australia regularly attend it. Can you really hold church as a better alternative to moulding young men than a football club?
I couldn't give a flyin rats toss bag
I want a flag
Not a god dam team of role models they are crap at the sport in question
Come back to me when they win one flag then you can do all the PC crap you wish
And you think I don't want a flag?
What kind a pathetic justification for Martin's supposed actions is that?
I want it so I don't give a poo about anyone else's wellbeing.
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KB is dillusional, Dusty deserves nothing of the sort. She should be minding her own business, and if she was that offended she should have gone to the police not wait for some anti richmond mate of hers to insist she report it.
Bents is 100% right this is an issue only because it was a female. If it was a man it would be a very different story, bit like the young lass who pushed the cop aye!!!
Imagine if dusty did that :shh
Nothing story but to appease the usuals, give him a few weeks off and a 20k fine. To quote bents we are here to win a flag not get involved with this media driven 1 year rubbish.
BTW what did didak cop for that christopher hudson incident?
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Taking Crocker over Markov would've handy...closest in the draft to Martin.... :shh
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This thread is losing the plot.
6 week ban? 12 month ban?
Seriously.......
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Martin was quoted in the club statement as saying: “Regrettably, I was intoxicated and that in itself is completely unacceptable.
“I do however take responsibility for my behaviour and I am deeply embarrassed.”
“If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened then that is totally inappropriate.”
HAHAHA if they're going to fake quote him at least make it believable.
Not sure he deserves much of a suspension really. I would think threatening someone, although bad, is a lot better than actually doing something. What happened after Clarkson attacked a fan? All this extra attention because the person was a female and because its Dustin Martin
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Clarko snotted a bloke
Rosie batty is kotcha with that
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Okay, he are finally some responses from senior Club officials ...
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Club manager Dan Richardson said Martin would be counselled over his alleged behaviour.
“This was an issue involving alcohol on the weekend, but that’s not to say it’s an ongoing issue,” Mr Richardson said.
“This issue on the weekend is certainly something that we’ll talk to Dustin about and work through that and go from there.”
The Tiger’s leadership group will also discuss whether any further disciplinary action is required.
[http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/12/07/17/11/richmond-afl-player-dustin-martin-apologises-after-altercation-woman-melbourne-restaurant#Tm7hVtVAuz0rodJc.99
“This is certainly a bit of a hiccup, something that he’s not happy about and neither are we,” said Tigers football manager Daniel Richardson.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/08/afl-player-dustin-martin-regrets-threat-to-stab-woman-in-face-with-chopstick
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RICHMOND CEO Brendon Gale says Dustin Martin “acted like a goose” when he threatened to kill a woman while drunk at a Melbourne restaurant at the weekend.
Speaking at a Women in Leadership Summit this morning, Gale said Martin had made a “very serious mistake” when he threatened to kill a young woman and stab her in the eye with chopsticks at a Chapel St restaurant on Saturday night.
Gale is a Male Champion of Change, one of a number of high-profile and influential men helping to advance gender equality in Victoria.
He said the incident created an opportunity for the club to say what was considered acceptable behaviour towards women.
Gale would not comment further on the issue to the Herald Sun following the panel discussion, but said the club would release a statement about Martin later today.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/dustin-martin-in-drunken-altercation-at-chapel-st-restaurant/news-story/56f92229cabcae3a33288c5748d683c2
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Football clubs are the ones which teach life lessons are they?
I thought they were focused on football. And left the life lessons to the authorities of the state or church
Absolutely yes they do. Even at a local footy club, there is a tremendous ethos on people achieving life goals outside of football.
As for church, not even 50% of young people in Australia regularly attend it. Can you really hold church as a better alternative to moulding young men than a football club?
I couldn't give a flyin rats toss bag
I want a flag
Not a god dam team of role models they are crap at the sport in question
Come back to me when they win one flag then you can do all the PC crap you wish
And you think I don't want a flag?
What kind a pathetic justification for Martin's supposed actions is that?
I want it so I don't give a poo about anyone else's wellbeing.
I've never justified anyone hitting or threatening women. In fact I'm rather against it
I merely say let the police do the policing. Or let life lessons be taught by bubbas large black willie
If a football club been rubbish for te best part of half a century - radical idea - perhaps they should stick to footy instead of Gandhi impersonations
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stuff her.
Good on him.
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Martin was quoted in the club statement as saying: “Regrettably, I was intoxicated and that in itself is completely unacceptable.
“I do however take responsibility for my behaviour and I am deeply embarrassed.”
“If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened then that is totally inappropriate.”
HAHAHA if they're going to fake quote him at least make it believable.
Not sure he deserves much of a suspension really. I would think threatening someone, although bad, is a lot better than actually doing something. What happened after Clarkson attacked a fan? All this extra attention because the person was a female and because its Dustin Martin
thank you
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By the way, what was the outcome of the charges laid against the lady who 'actually' assaulted someone (a cop no less) on Melbourne cup day?
(http://cdn.arn.com.au/media/6750038/melbourne-cup.jpg)
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:lol :lol according to a few on here she copped her right whack.
Now dooks swap dustys face with this descent looking bird and tell me what the outcome will be. Cop laughing again?
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Football clubs are the ones which teach life lessons are they?
I thought they were focused on football. And left the life lessons to the authorities of the state or church
Absolutely yes they do. Even at a local footy club, there is a tremendous ethos on people achieving life goals outside of football.
As for church, not even 50% of young people in Australia regularly attend it. Can you really hold church as a better alternative to moulding young men than a football club?
I couldn't give a flyin rats toss bag
I want a flag
Not a god dam team of role models they are crap at the sport in question
Come back to me when they win one flag then you can do all the PC crap you wish
And you think I don't want a flag?
What kind a pathetic justification for Martin's supposed actions is that?
I want it so I don't give a poo about anyone else's wellbeing.
I've never justified anyone hitting or threatening women. In fact I'm rather against it
I merely say let the police do the policing. Or let life lessons be taught by bubbas large black willie
Stalin, you really are getting out of hand with comments like that. Have you ever been molested or raped or know of people that have? I certainly have met them and they are seriously scarred for life. You cannot make comments like that and be taken seriously as a concerned human being.
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All the ADAM goodes supporters are in on this one.
Wankers. Lol
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I've never justified anyone hitting or threatening women. In fact I'm rather against it
I merely say let the police do the policing. Or let life lessons be taught by bubbas large black willie
Stalin, you really are getting out of hand with comments like that. Have you ever been molested or raped or know of people that have? I certainly have met them and they are seriously scarred for life. You cannot make comments like that and be taken seriously as a concerned human being.
Get over yourself.
All the ADAM goodes supporters are in on this one.
Wankers. Lol
Identity politics.
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Stupid big noting bitch should have kept her mouth shut
Only thing dusty has done is abuse a chop stick.
Wankers.
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Football clubs are the ones which teach life lessons are they?
I thought they were focused on football. And left the life lessons to the authorities of the state or church
Absolutely yes they do. Even at a local footy club, there is a tremendous ethos on people achieving life goals outside of football.
As for church, not even 50% of young people in Australia regularly attend it. Can you really hold church as a better alternative to moulding young men than a football club?
I couldn't give a flyin rats toss bag
I want a flag
Not a god dam team of role models they are crap at the sport in question
Come back to me when they win one flag then you can do all the PC crap you wish
And you think I don't want a flag?
What kind a pathetic justification for Martin's supposed actions is that?
I want it so I don't give a poo about anyone else's wellbeing.
I've never justified anyone hitting or threatening women. In fact I'm rather against it
I merely say let the police do the policing. Or let life lessons be taught by bubbas large black willie
Stalin, you really are getting out of hand with comments like that. Have you ever been molested or raped or know of people that have? I certainly have met them and they are seriously scarred for life. You cannot make comments like that and be taken seriously as a concerned human being.
Na but I watched te last bit of that monty python film...
What I was getting at, poor wording aside
Is that life lessons are taught in places like prisons. Not afl football clubs
It's very noble half you lot would like our club to be at the forefront of societies issues. After we win a flag , feel free to engage in as much MumboJumbo as u wish
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stuffen weak dogs.
Unless he stabbed her or touched her - stuff OFF
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Have you ever been molested or raped or know of people that have? I certainly have met them and they are seriously scarred for life.
Really, you've met all of them? Not everyone is as scarred by this sort of stuff as you're trying to make out.
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Some perspective
Hawthorn players get caught in a rape scandal, gets swept under the rug.
Jake Carlise snorts cocaine and films it, gets a slap on the wrist.
Luke Hodge, hawthorn 'captain', drives under the influence, gets a slap on the wrist.
Dusty hits the wall next to a woman's face, media want a 12 month ban.
Logic.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/336506069793055/?fref=nf
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:lol :lol according to a few on here she copped her right whack.
Now dooks swap dustys face with this descent looking bird and tell me what the outcome will be. Cop laughing again?
We both know the answer to that!
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Have you ever been molested or raped or know of people that have? I certainly have met them and they are seriously scarred for life.
Really, you've met all of them? Not everyone is as scarred by this sort of stuff as you're trying to make out.
Where did I say I met ALL of them? Are you an expert on the mental trauma associated with rape or molestation? I very much doubt it. And even if only 10% are (and the number is much much greater than that), should we not care about these people and their anguish? Seriously?
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WGAF
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My question is did he punch the wall or "threaten" her, while he was pretending to be a walrus with te aid of chop sticks in ones mouth
If so... :shh
That would of been top banter and a giggle had by all :cheers
(Google 'chopstick walrus' (
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* in the voice of a walrus , of course
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Dusty should play the race card and quickly follow with the depression card
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And then say he is gay
Depressed homosexual minority
Media would go nuts
#stability
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Have you ever been molested or raped or know of people that have? I certainly have met them and they are seriously scarred for life.
Really, you've met all of them? Not everyone is as scarred by this sort of stuff as you're trying to make out.
Where did I say I met ALL of them? Are you an expert on the mental trauma associated with rape or molestation? I very much doubt it. And even if only 10% are (and the number is much much greater than that), should we not care about these people and their anguish? Seriously?
Where did I say I was an expert? Don't you think everyone would react differently and I'd put all my money on me knowing about it more than you.
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Have you ever been molested or raped or know of people that have? I certainly have met them and they are seriously scarred for life.
Really, you've met all of them? Not everyone is as scarred by this sort of stuff as you're trying to make out.
Where did I say I met ALL of them? Are you an expert on the mental trauma associated with rape or molestation? I very much doubt it. And even if only 10% are (and the number is much much greater than that), should we not care about these people and their anguish? Seriously?
Where did I say I was an expert? Don't you think everyone would react differently and I'd put all my money on me knowing about it more than you.
I'm not sure if your comprehension level is adequate enough to have a discussion. I ASKED if you were an expert. I never stated you were. You on the other hand queried me by saying "Really, you've met all of them?", when I never ever indicated I had. I just said I have met people that have experienced this type of mental trauma. And you'd lose all of your money because you obviously show no empathy towards these people. If you were someone who actually worked in the area, you would display empathy. And if you worked in the area and showed this level of empathy, I'd be very sorry for your patients.
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Dusty should play the race card
But then we would have to boo him.
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Or not boo him
Confusing huh
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I will admit my view on what should happen to Dustin has obviously changed in the last 24 hours
Yesterday I was just incredibly peeved at how the media had gone about getting this story. I am still very peeved about it
But I will admit I lost sight of the real issue here and that was a person was threatened by a footballer (sadly one of ours) behaving badly and this cannot go unpunished or just be ignored. This is serious. the fact that it is a woman shouldn't be relevant, what if it was child looking for an autograph? Or an elderly man? Would peolpe view it differently? We shouldn't, what he did was disgraceful
A few posts back Angus said "If it was a man it would be a very different story" and you know what he's probably right.
Who's to say it wouldn't have ended up in brawl outside the restaurant where the outcome could have been a lot worse ... answer is we don't know. And I for one am glad in a macabre sort of way we don't know
How would people feel if it was their partner who came home and told you that this had happened to them. Don't think there is too many of us who would say you should have minded your own business, laughed it off or said you deserved it "bitch".
Domestic violence and violence against women whether we wish to admit it or not is is a massive problem in society today. Just like violence against children is, just like violence against animals is... we (soceity) have a problem and we need to do something about it.
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Finally from the Club
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Tigers 'incredibly disappointed' in Martin's actions
AAP December 8, 2015 3:59 PM
RICHMOND has belatedly taken a much stronger public stance after star Dustin Martin allegedly threatened a woman in a drunken incident.
Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale said in a statement that the Saturday night incident was very serious and it demands a thorough investigation.
He said Richmond is incredibly disappointed in Martin, who has apologised to the woman.
Earlier on Tuesday, club legend Kevin Bartlett demanded that Richmond ban Martin for 12 months and he make a $50,000 donation to an appropriate charity.
On Monday, Tigers football manager Dan Richardson had called the incident a hiccup.
Richmond is working with the AFL in investigating the matter and the club will make an announcement by the end of the week on what action they will take against Martin.
"This is a very serious matter that requires a thorough investigation and we are working with the AFL to ensure we have all the facts before us," Gale said.
"I want to be clear that any threat of physical violence against a woman - or any member of the public for that matter - is completely unacceptable.
"Dustin is disappointed in his behaviour and we are incredibly disappointed in Dustin."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-08/tigers-incredibly-disappointed-in-martins-actions
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(Ed: don't think the Club's inaction have helped Dusty in anyway, shape or form)
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I will admit my view on what should happen to Dustin has obviously changed in the last 24 hours
Yesterday I was just incredibly peeved at how the media had gone about getting this story. I am still very peeved about it
But I will admit I lost sight of the real issue here and that was a person was threatened by a footballer (sadly one of ours) behaving badly and this cannot go unpunished or just be ignored. This is serious. the fact that it is a woman shouldn't be relevant, what if it was child looking for an autograph? Or an elderly man? Would peolpe view it differently? We shouldn't, what he did was disgraceful
A few posts back Angus said "If it was a man it would be a very different story" and you know what he's probably right.
Who's to say it wouldn't have ended up in brawl outside the restaurant where the outcome could have been a lot worse ... answer is we don't know. And I for one am glad in a macabre sort of way we don't know
How would people feel if it was their partner who came home and told you that this had happened to them. Don't think there is too many of us who would say you should have minded your own business, laughed it off or said you deserved it "bitch".
Domestic violence and violence against women whether we wish to admit it or not is is a massive problem in society today. Just like violence against children is, just like violence against animals is... we (soceity) have a problem and we need to do something about it.
So dusty is the scapegoat for 100s thousands years of violence against ladies...
Seems a bit rough no?
Let's go over the facts again from what I read in a tired state
- he never touch her
- she had a go a him, for drinkin three shots in one hour... Wtf
:whistle
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:lol
Looking orward to the PC brigade on that one
I'm just gunna call you racist now :wallywink
Why are aboriginals better than Maoris?
#ANZAC
#stability
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Look forward to their progressive pageantry
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Question is, what worse- to do it during a game or to do it in a social environment.
I say, Game.
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Dusty is gone now, with the femmo,twit president that resides currently.
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Come on dudes, I love Dusty too but you can't defend what he did. Getting blind and threatening a chick in public was incredibly stuffing stupid and he deserves to get punished.
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Come on dudes, I love Dusty too but you can't defend what he did. Getting blind and threatening a chick in public was incredibly stuffing stupid and he deserves to get punished.
Media manhunt aside, I agree with this sentiment.
He's an important player though. So lets do what Hawthorn did to Hodge and just make him pay some fine to a charity where somebody will honestly benefit from his idiocy. Need him to play round 1.
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Come on dudes, I love Dusty too but you can't defend what he did. Getting blind and threatening a chick in public was incredibly stuffing stupid and he deserves to get punished.
what does he deserve, willyb?
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Come on dudes, I love Dusty too but you can't defend what he did. Getting blind and threatening a chick in public was incredibly stuffing stupid and he deserves to get punished.
what does he deserve, willyb?
Couple of games off would be right I reckon.
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stories popping up on FB that Dusty might have been a naughty boy over the weekend :wallywink
Do you work for the HUN or CH7? ;D
They are Both are making it sound like he's committed an act of treason or something
Anyways... Form the highly reputable HUN
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UPDATE: @Richmond_FC will release statement about Dustin Martin incident this afternoon trib.al/1qouCIc
And this
JUST IN: Dustin Martin involved in drunken altercation at Chapel St restaurant trib.al/XLsGECD #Melbourne
And this from CH 7
EXCLUSIVE: A woman tells of her terror after footballer Dustin Martin threatened to stab her in a city restaurant.
Unfortunately, the HUN articles are subscriber only so I can't post those
Yeah buddy I was making it all up
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Come on dudes, I love Dusty too but you can't defend what he did. Getting blind and threatening a chick in public was incredibly stuffing stupid and he deserves to get punished.
what does he deserve, willyb?
Couple of games off would be right I reckon.
Agree - should be plenty of time to have a good hard look at himself while he sits out the NAB challenge, avoiding injury to atone for his sins......
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AFL Players' Association board member and North Melbourne veteran Drew Petrie on Tuesday afternoon said a year-long suspension would be too "dramatic", and that education for Martin should be as high a priority as any punishment meted out.
Petrie said while Bartlett was entitled to his opinion, a 12-month ban "sounds a little bit dramatic to me".
"I'm sure there will be some education involved, which I think will resonate more with the player involved than just kicking him out the door for 12 months," Petrie said.
The North Melbourne veteran also said Richmond should be left to work out an appropriate penalty without the input of other parties. "I think it's best left to them and their capable administration to handle it," he said. "I don't think it's really up to players and other clubs to be making too much comment on what's going on."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ban-tigers-star-dustin-martin-for-12-months-urges-richmond-legend-kevin-bartlett-20151207-glhy7l.html
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THE AFL and Richmond’s integrity team have requested to interview the young woman who Dustin Martin threatened to stab with chopsticks at a Melbourne restaurant at the weekend.
The interviews were expected to go ahead this afternoon before the club makes a decision on any sanctions against Martin later this week.
It is understood the Tigers have also held a high-level meeting over the incident.
“This is a very serious matter that requires a thorough investigation and we are working with the AFL to ensure we have all the facts before us,” Richmond CEO Brendon Gale said in a statement this afternoon.
“I want to be clear that any threat of physical violence against a woman – or any member of the public for that matter - is completely unacceptable.
“Dustin is disappointed in his behaviour and we are incredibly disappointed in Dustin.”
It comes after Gale this morning said Martin “acted like a goose” when he threatened to kill the woman while drunk at Chapel St’s trendy Mr Miyagi eaterie and bar on Saturday night.
Speaking at a Women in Leadership Summit this morning, Gale said Martin had made a “very serious mistake” when he made the violent threat.
Gale is a Male Champion of Change, one of a number of high-profile and influential men helping to advance gender equality in Victoria.
He said the incident created an opportunity for the club to say what was considered acceptable behaviour towards women.
Gale would not comment further on the issue to the Herald Sun following the panel discussion.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/dustin-martin-in-drunken-altercation-at-chapel-st-restaurant/news-story/56f92229cabcae3a33288c5748d683c2
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As per usual every one condemns the actions of the high profile person whilst believing anything that comes out of the mouth of a nobody.
Since when does impersonating a walrus using chop sticks become such a bad thing that some one feels they need to interfere with his night out?
She knew he was a player and sounds as if she took extra notice of what he did.
I just love the part where she refers to him going to the toilet, seriously WTF?
Would she rather him take a poo at the bar?
Ox's comparison sums up just how PC mad this country has become is sadly spot on.
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Come on dudes, I love Dusty too but you can't defend what he did. Getting blind and threatening a chick in public was incredibly stuffing stupid and he deserves to get punished.
what does he deserve, willyb?
Couple of games off would be right I reckon.
With pay
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If she wants to press charges, go for it
If not - stfu afl.
stuffn rubbish competition it is now. These idiot'a think they're bigger than the law.
The woman was there sucking pee (as all TV producers and execs do) and had had enough herself to call dusty to her table as tho she were some type of royalty.
Mund your own business or go to the cops, who can't do anything because he didn't actually do anything, especially considering both parties were in a pee house.
Dusty is a idiot but that's all he's guilty of.
He should have done a spear dance instead.
Untouchable
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WP is domestic violence any bigger than drunk/drug driving or hanging out with murderers. How many weeks did hodgy cop?
You know i will try raise my kids to not approach drunk people, its that simple. Go walk down swanston street you see plenty like dusty and if people just minded their own business all will be good. Guys like this are everywhere but not many with a name called dustin martin. Come back to me when its proven he did touch her, otherwise his just another idiot who had too much to drink.
Now that good 2 shoes cotchin and peggy sue is involved who knows what his going to cop.
Dusty pushing a cop would have been treated just like this if it happened today, so lose the gender card FFS some of you lot.
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Spot on Brackets. Lot of politically correct, hypocritical bull5hyt being flung at Dusty at present. Still say the chick had no place or right to interfere or intervene and her actions helped escalate it. If she was so concerned about Dusty's welfare and behaviour it was her responsibility to go the the restaurant management, not become a lone crusader saving the dining world. And before all you precious types get up in arms - I don't for 1 second condone or excuse his behaviour but she has an element of culpability that is being overlooked in the clamour to be seen taking the high moral ground.
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Lol
The afl asked the woman how long he should be suspended for and what she thought he should have to do.
What a stuffn joke of a competition.
Stupid bitch
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Lol
The afl asked the woman how long he should be suspended for and what she thought he should have to do.
What a stuffn joke of a competition.
Stupid bitch
i dont believe it. Actually i do. AFL is a big stuffin joke
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She was annoyed by martins loudness and is a TV journo producer.
By her very nature she would have known that by acting the way she did, she was provoking a situation.
That's how tv works.
Go stuff urself bitch.
U knew exactly what you were doing and knew what was going to happen n
Too gutless to be honest. Have to pretend she tried to be a noble citizen.
Yeh right,,because that's waht TV producers are. Hahahahahaha
stuff off mole
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Lol
The afl asked the woman how long he should be suspended for and what she thought he should have to do.
What a stuffn joke of a competition.
Stupid bitch
i dont believe it. Actually i do. AFL is a big stuffin joke
Well that's what was reported by HER network, who are absolutely loving it.
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WP is domestic violence any bigger than drunk/drug driving or hanging out with murderers. How many weeks did hodgy cop?
You know i will try raise my kids to not approach drunk people, its that simple. Go walk down swanston street you see plenty like dusty and if people just minded their own business all will be good. Guys like this are everywhere but not many with a name called dustin martin. Come back to me when its proven he did touch her, otherwise his just another idiot who had too much to drink.
Now that good 2 shoes cotchin and peggy sue is involved who knows what his going to cop.
Dusty pushing a cop would have been treated just like this if it happened today, so lose the gender card FFS some of you lot.
Bizarre post.
Are you saying that it's OK for one of our players to be acting like a peed loony on Swantson St?
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i did say idiots like this are everywhere who drink too much. This woman feels she has to tell us when he went for a bog, suggests she was worried about him more than the people she was with.
You go up to someone who is drunk or on drugs your asking for trouble.
as for getting peeed in a public place well we have all been young once. I have never drunk and driven over the limit though. Whats worse?
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Ch 7 news tonight showed some brief vision of this AFL meeting which looked like it was at a cafe.
They also said:
* Dusty is looking at a length suspension.
* The woman prefers a punishment for Dusty based more around dealing with anger management and alcohol abuse.
* The RFC has admitted that Dusty has an alcohol problem.
* The AFL plans to interview Dusty before handing down a decision.
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The afl asked the woman how long he should be suspended for and what she thought he should have to do.
Yes and no
Ch7 reporting she was asked by the AFL investigator if he should cop a 12 month suspension and she said NO
Please don't disregard that
The report also said she said that alcohol and anger management would do him more good
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Dusty is gone now, with the femmo,twit president that resides currently.
Would suggest that the President is probably his most important allie at the moment
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So what suspension is Lewis Taylor looking at? Out of sight, out of mind up in Brisbane? Is playing for them considered punishment enough?
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Ch 7 news tonight showed some brief vision of this AFL meeting which looked like it was at a cafe.
They also said:
* Dusty is looking at a length suspension.
* The woman prefers a punishment for Dusty based more around dealing with anger management and alcohol abuse.
* The RFC has admitted that Dusty has an alcohol problem.
* The AFL plans to interview Dusty before handing down a decision.
They also said Dusty's Dad (who's furious) has flown to Melb today and has also apologised for what happened
Having met his Dad a number of times, no surprise with any of that
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The afl asked the woman how long he should be suspended for and what she thought he should have to do.
Yes and no
Ch7 reporting she was asked by the AFL investigator if he should cop a 12 month suspension and she said NO
Please don't disregard that
The report also said she said that alcohol and anger management would do him more good
Whaddya mean yes and no.
That's what happened
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Why the stuff r they asking her what she thinks?
Wtf is that poo?!
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lol this is hilarious
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Dusty is gone now, with the femmo,twit president that resides currently.
Would suggest that the President is probably his most important allie at the moment
Not from a males perspective
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Next time someone peees me of, Willy P, ask me how long I want them suspended for....
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what a wank
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Ch 7 news tonight showed some brief vision of this AFL meeting which looked like it was at a cafe.
They also said:
* Dusty is looking at a length suspension.
* The woman prefers a punishment for Dusty based more around dealing with anger management and alcohol abuse.
* The RFC has admitted that Dusty has an alcohol problem.
* The AFL plans to interview Dusty before handing down a decision.
They also said Dusty's Dad (who's furious) has flown to Melb today and has also apologised for what happened
Having met his Dad a number of times, no surprise with any of that
Is Jillian Mcfukstick gonna ask him how long he should suspend dusty for too?
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what a wank
Ain't it
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If dusty misses games that's absolutely stuffed. Agreed with anger and alcohol management coz clearly it'd do him good... But to miss games is just stupid. Nothing happened to hodge when he got caught drink driving ? Carlisle gets banned for 2 games
Or something for doing illegal drugs and releasing it to the world himself...
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KB is a fucktard, 12 moths??? wtf is going on in todays world?
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Because the cops caught hodge, not the afl. Lol
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KB is a stufftard, 12 moths??? wtf is going on in todays world?
Possiblly a childhood memory....
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Spot on Brackets. Lot of politically correct, hypocritical bull5hyt being flung at Dusty at present. Still say the chick had no place or right to interfere or intervene and her actions helped escalate it. If she was so concerned about Dusty's welfare and behaviour it was her responsibility to go the the restaurant management, not become a lone crusader saving the dining world. And before all you precious types get up in arms - I don't for 1 second condone or excuse his behaviour but she has an element of culpability that is being overlooked in the clamour to be seen taking the high moral ground.
Agree
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Ch 7 news tonight showed some brief vision of this AFL meeting which looked like it was at a cafe.
They also said:
* Dusty is looking at a length suspension.
* The woman prefers a punishment for Dusty based more around dealing with anger management and alcohol abuse.
* The RFC has admitted that Dusty has an alcohol problem.
* The AFL plans to interview Dusty before handing down a decision.
They also said Dusty's Dad (who's furious) has flown to Melb today and has also apologised for what happened
Having met his Dad a number of times, no surprise with any of that
Is Jillian Mcstuffstick gonna ask him how long he should suspend dusty for too?
Will be a panel consisting of the the woman in question, Peggy Sue, Rose Batty, Clementine Ford and -representing the "male" point of view - Peter Fitzsimons...
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Dusty is gone now, with the femmo,twit president that resides currently.
Would suggest that the President is probably his most important allie at the moment
Straw poll. Would Peggy have Dusty's back?
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why is the woman on the stuffn panel?
Wtf is this ..,.?
Anyone?
Someone?
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Dusty should get his lawyers onto it because it a stuffn kangaroo court
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The longer this drags on, the more batshit crazy it's getting
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Dusty is gone now, with the femmo,twit president that resides currently.
Would suggest that the President is probably his most important allie at the moment
Straw poll. Would Peggy have Dusty's back?
The thing with the feminism side is, feminism comes first.
Go the sisterhood!!!!
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Pc fucing mad world - stupid bitch knew she was gunna cause trouble.
Dusty should of walked away, but seriously what actually happened a few words fmd this is bull poo.
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If the club and the afl had any stuffn balls they'd have told her to go to the cops and then come see them.
Instead they use Martin as a poster boy as abuse against women, so they look Pc.
Then.....they have the mole sit on the disciplinary panel.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Come one people
Three shots in one hour
ANIMAL
Lock him up and throw away te key
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no mention at all on ABC news tonight
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What are they talking about the war in Syria or something?
Bastards
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I hope someone is looking after Dusty. He'd be pretty vulnerable at this point.
His stupidity should never have led to this amount of scrutiny.
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I hope someone is looking after Dusty. He'd be pretty vulnerable at this point.
His stupidity should never have led to this amount of scrutiny.
Agreed
I hope next time he impersonates a goat or elephant
Using cutlery
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Sounds like Dusty would have been better off just having a Lamar Odom night out.
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Call your lawyer,son.
Call him now.......
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I hope someone is looking after Dusty. He'd be pretty vulnerable at this point.
His stupidity should never have led to this amount of scrutiny.
Agreed
I hope next time he impersonates a goat or elephant
Using cutlery
He's being bullied.
I don't like it.
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What are they talking about the war in Syria or something?
Bastards
hahahaha
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Next time someone peees me of, Willy P, ask me how long I want them suspended for....
I will - promise ;D
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I hope someone is looking after Dusty. He'd be pretty vulnerable at this point.
His stupidity should never have led to this amount of scrutiny.
Reckon that's why his Dad has come to Melb
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Dusty knows she's just a idiot femmo cow..
He's not vulnerable. Lol. I like the Angle tho :snidegrin
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2012 - Dusty is suspended by the club for missing training . His mate Conners is sacked .
2013 - Dusty goes gangsta and gives the " jail bird " sign after kicking a goal in the elimination final.
2015 - gives the Collingwood cheer squad the "bird" after kicking a goal ( deserves a high five in my opinion )
2015 - threatens a woman with chop sticks.
FFS Dusty - time to grow up .
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Dusty is gone now, with the femmo,twit president that resides currently.
Would suggest that the President is probably his most important allie at the moment
:lol on what basis do you draw that?
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Dusty is gone now, with the femmo,twit president that resides currently.
Would suggest that the President is probably his most important allie at the moment
:lol on what basis do you draw that?
Think about it, it isn't that hard to work out
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ive thought about it and his only ally is dimwit due to his job security, and perhaps Gale with his afl connections
Peggy Sue i wouldnt trust her to do the right thing being a femmo and all.
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She's an enemy.
She's a woman ;)
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ive thought about it and his only ally is dimwit due to his job security, and perhaps Gale with his afl connections
Peggy Sue i wouldnt trust her to do the right thing being a femmo and all.
You really should take your sexist glasses off for a minute, put your obvious disdain for the woman to one side (even though you haven't got a clue what sort of person she is) think about the position she holds and try and tie it back to the situation and think about it
It isn't that hard, really it isnt
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Diners can breath a sigh of relief now this infamous sushi tyrant has been brought to justice by the brave intervention of, lets call her, Jane Doe, who fortunately also happened to be from Channel 7 and was able to ensure we got the full scoop broadcast directly to our eager eyes and ears, but ever so reluctantly (cough...bs..cough). All perfectly timed with the current media storm on domestic violence / violence against women, white ribbon day. Stitched up tighter than a space suit. You can call me Billy Hunt but don't call me Silly...
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Peggy's actually not that bad. Speed should be president but that's not her fault.
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Diners can breath a sigh of relief now this infamous sushi tyrant has been brought to justice by the brave intervention of, lets call her, Jane Doe, who fortunately also happened to be from Channel 7 and was able to ensure we got the full scoop broadcast directly to our eager eyes and ears, but ever so reluctantly (cough...bs..cough). All perfectly timed with the current media storm on domestic violence / violence against women, white ribbon day. Stitched up tighter than a space suit. You can call me Billy Hunt but don't call me Silly...
:cheers :clapping
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Lmao at dusty having to do anger management when SHE was the one who got angry before and after the fact.
Stupid fat cow.
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Diners can breath a sigh of relief now this infamous sushi tyrant has been brought to justice by the brave intervention of, lets call her, Jane Doe, who fortunately also happened to be from Channel 7 and was able to ensure we got the full scoop broadcast directly to our eager eyes and ears, but ever so reluctantly (cough...bs..cough). All perfectly timed with the current media storm on domestic violence / violence against women, white ribbon day. Stitched up tighter than a space suit. You can call me Billy Hunt but don't call me Silly...
^^
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Eff me, what a load of rubbish.
Can't a bloke have a sip and tell a fat mouth pig to eff off anymore?
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Eff me, what a load of rubbish.
Can't a bloke have a sip and tell a fat mouth pig to eff off anymore?
Not if she's a jorno slag digging for a story
Stop the press
Dusty drinks three shots in 60 mins animal
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Anyone suggesting Dusty miss games for this is a lunatic. Big fine for breaking team rules for drinking and a fair bit of charity work is more than enough for this absolute rubbish.
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Diners can breath a sigh of relief now this infamous sushi tyrant has been brought to justice by the brave intervention of, lets call her, Jane Doe, who fortunately also happened to be from Channel 7 and was able to ensure we got the full scoop broadcast directly to our eager eyes and ears, but ever so reluctantly (cough...bs..cough). All perfectly timed with the current media storm on domestic violence / violence against women, white ribbon day. Stitched up tighter than a space suit. You can call me Billy Hunt but don't call me Silly...
:cheers
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Anyone suggesting Dusty miss games for this is a lunatic. Big fine for breaking team rules for drinking and a fair bit of charity work is more than enough for this absolute rubbish.
I love Kb
But he's old and scared of the world
Nfi
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Fellow posters, this woman must be the fxxxxing social police of our fair state alo g with Patrick FH Smith.
Every time she goes out i expect her to challenge anyone who swears or behaves badly in her vicinity be they a rock star, footy player or a common man.
She could be the puritanic super hero and wear her g string on the outside of her brown bulging slacks
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There's a number of elements to all this which are truly bizaar.
God knows where this is heading. By the end of the week, who knows what the hell will be going on.
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I'm glad the club is looking to do a full investigation of the facts and base their decision on that.
Plenty seem to be quite content to be judge, jury and executioner of both sides regardless of understanding what unfolded.
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Dustin Martin faces grilling from AFL before sanction over drunken outburst at Chapel St restaurant Mr Miyagi
Jon Kaila
Herald Sun
9 December 2015
RICHMOND footballer Dustin Martin posed for a photo clutching a chopstick he used minutes later to threaten to stab a woman in the eye.
The AFL and his club are considering banning the troubled Tiger for a year over his drunken outburst at Chapel St restaurant Mr Miyagi.
Integrity officers have acknowledged the Tiger has an “alcohol issue’’, which could prevent him playing.
The Richmond midfielder faces a grilling from AFL integrity unit senior investigator Gerard Ryan, a former counter-terrorism detective, ahead of a sanction being decided by his club and the league.
Diners at the Windsor eatery have told the Herald Sun the Tiger was in “space land’’ when he posed for the chopstick snap at 9.42pm on Saturday.
He went on to use the utensil to intimidate a 30-year-old female at about 10pm.
In other developments:
THE VICTIM yesterday met with the AFL and a Richmond integrity officer at Half Moon Hotel in Brighton, at the request of the league;
INVESTIGATORS asked whether she believed a one-year ban would be appropriate;
OFFICERS said they were considering whether an “alcohol issue’’ would prevent him playing in the immediate term;
THE WOMAN requested Martin not be banned, but be ordered to undertake counselling, and;
RICHMOND chief Brendon Gale’s response that Martin was a “goose’’ was slammed as inappropriate.
The 24-year-old player — who was drinking at music festival Stereosonic before heading to Mr Miyagi — erupted after the young woman asked him to stop disturbing diners.
Martin held the chopstick above her eye before he slammed his open palm into the wall behind her head, witnesses said.
Mr Gale issued a statement saying: “This is a very serious matter that requires a thorough investigation and we are working with the AFL to ensure we have all the facts before us.”
But Mr Gale came under fire earlier for describing Martin as acting “like a goose’’ to a Women in Leadership Summit, while club football manager Daniel Richardson described the attack as “a bit of a hiccup’’.
The Herald Sun also understands the AFL is considering revamping its processes for handling such issues, amid concerns the victim had no support from the league until today, despite the issue emerging 24 hours earlier.
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Dustin Martin posing with a patron while holding a chopstick at Mr Miyagi. Picture: Supplied
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/dustin-martin-faces-grilling-from-afl-before-sanction-over-drunken-outburst-at-chapel-st-restaurant-mr-miyagi/news-story/0da5e903c5f8302f5ec0524036163a81
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Dustin Martin’s pattern of self-destructive behaviour must be stopped by Richmond
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
December 9, 2015
RICHMOND can sack Dustin Martin for his foul-mouthed and intimidating behaviour — and another success-starved club will instantly recruit him in 2017.
The club can throw the book at him with a 15-week suspension and just hope the penny finally drops.
But if it doesn’t examine the root cause of Martin’s latest controversy it can never hope to improve a consistent pattern of worrying, self-destructive behaviour.
The Tigers and the AFL’s integrity team will spend the next 24 hours interviewing Martin and his victim to ensure every fact is on the table.
Then the club’s hierarchy will sit down and work through a penalty that at a guess might be 6-10 weeks and some community service involving respect for women.
The whole of Australia will be watching Richmond’s response given the much-deserved focus on violent and threatening behaviour towards women.
That punishment will take its course and almost certainly ensure Martin misses early-season games against Carlton, Collingwood, Adelaide and West Coast.
What Martin needs to work out himself is whether he actually wants to sacrifice all his vices and partying to play AFL football.
Because he can’t do both.
Being paid upwards of $500,000 a season to play AFL football is a privilege, not a right.
It is a privilege that means he shouldn’t have been seen anywhere near the Stereosonic music festival in the first week of December.
And it is a privilege that means he might need to reassess the company he keeps.
If he can’t do that, he will eventually lose the right to play AFL football — whether it is Richmond or the AFL that acts.
Right now the perception from the public is that Martin is off the rails and living an out-of-control lifestyle.
All at Richmond attest that Martin is quiet and polite around the club, so what turns him into a raging fool threatening to stab someone in the face, even with a chopstick?
It might be that Martin himself has to admit to the Tigers that his lifestyle issues are an issue he needs help to rectify.
He is seen to have relished the bad boy tag given his dramatic tattoos and brooding, affected air.
Yet as White Ribbon Campaigner Phil Cleary said yesterday, Martin’s reputation is now at rock bottom.
Cleary’s sister was murdered by her ex-partner in 1987 and he has spent his life advocating greater awareness of family violence.
“The discussion about family violence has never been deeper or wider than it is now after a long campaign,’’ he told the Herald Sun.
“Then we get a prominent footballer behaving in a way towards a woman that is terrifying. It is an act of cowardice.
“It is just so cowardly. Every time a man does something he blames it on the woman, or blames it on alcohol or a substance.
“The truth is 60 women a year are murdered in Australia. Thousands more are bashed in what is a crisis in terms of violence against women.
“Then we have Dustin Martin behaving in a way that all these other bad men have who have been condemned from the prime minister down.
“You could sack him, but what would be more significant is Richmond doing something extraordinary in educating the footy community about why we find violence against women cowardly.”
Richmond’s initial response to Martin’s altercation looked awfully flimsy, and yet it was only when the victim herself spoke that the brutal impact was rammed home.
A menacing, powerfully-built footballer standing over her and swearing and abusing her while his mates tries to drag him off.
“He physically stood over me, held a chopstick above my head and threatened to stab me in the face with a chopstick. It was obviously extremely terrifying,” she said.
Richmond has an absolute obligation to make this a moment in time for the AFL community to stand up to violence against women.
If it impacts their finals aspirations, so be it.
Martin’s talent has seen so many overlook so many issues, but finally it is time to hold him to account.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martins-pattern-of-selfdestructive-behaviour-must-be-stopped-by-richmond/news-story/b5b6070b97a3b652e8b6a08a43cf9a60
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Lmaoooooo
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Was wondering when Coburg Cleary would pop his head up - his cup runneth over with a Richmond player being involved as well...
What should be written off as a laughably hyperbolic & hysterical article will be taken seriously by the people that matter.
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"the chopstick snap"......what a farce :banghead
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Tiger troubles: Dustin Martin's rap sheet
Ronny Lerner
Sports reporter at The Age
December 9, 2015
Dustin Martin is in trouble again after his chopstick stab threat levelled at a woman in a Melbourne restaurant last Saturday night.
The star Richmond 24-year-old has been in hot water before.
August 27, 2015
Fined $2000 for delivering a "two-finger salute" to Collingwood fans the previous weekend during Richmond's 91-point demolition of the Magpies.
September 18, 2014
Suspended from driving for two months and fined $750 for driving while suspended. The initial suspension was imposed for running a red light in 2013.
September 11, 2013
Hit with a $2000 suspended fine by the AFL for making a handcuffs gesture after kicking a goal during Richmond's elimination final loss to Carlton.
July 4, 2012
Suspended for two weeks by Richmond for sleeping in the previous morning and failing to attend a training session. Martin admitted he had taken sleeping tablets combined with alcohol the night before the training session.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-troubles-dustin-martins-rap-sheet-20151208-gli2ps.html
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Victim's account will shape Richmond Tigers star Dustin Martin's punishment
Caroline Wilson
The Age
December 9, 2015
Richmond's perceived failure to read the room on the day Dustin Martin's violent threat to a woman became public has emerged as one of many complexities in the troubled world in which the explosive young footballer has been known to live.
The woman, a Channel Seven producer who does not want to be named, was interviewed late on Tuesday by the Tigers' integrity officer Steve Wyatt, in a meeting held in conjunction with AFL investigators.
It will be her version of events that holds the key to Martin's ultimate penalty.
Martin will not escape punishment but the strong view of the club, backed by the AFL, is that whether the woman felt in physical danger or was the victim of an obnoxious and verbally vicious drunk will shape the severity of his punishment.
Neither alternative is palatable, but if she felt at risk of physical harm this should be a matter for the police, and Martin should be charged.
If not, the Tigers face a difficult call on how best to penalise their problem child, who they insist has not previously shown signs of violence and who the club has managed to steer through some difficult times with notable success.
In an ideal world Richmond would come down heavily on Martin this week, issuing a long-term suspension of four to six weeks, similar to what Geelong and its leadership group inflicted in 2007 upon Steve Johnson.
In the same year Stevie J emerged with a Norm Smith Medal around his neck.
But this is not an ideal world. In fact, Martin's world is far from ideal, and for the Tigers he remains a week-to-week proposition. Or in the case of summer seasons past, at times a day-to-day proposition.
The entanglements of Martin's lifestyle, upbringing, emotional wellbeing and sometimes dreadful social habits have always combined to see Richmond steer away from punishment.
The focus has been on keeping the player on an even keel. The key, according to the club, has been to maintain routine and regularity in his life. Never mind that Martin still struggles sometimes to behave; that his end-of-season trips with the likes of Dane Swan become journeys other players are told to stay away from (when it became known that Collingwood's Marley Williams planned to join the pair this year on a leg of their US holiday, concerned Magpie people contacted the club); that some of the company he keeps is genuinely troubling.
While there has been no suggestion other substances were involved in Saturday night's incident, Martin certainly faces scrutiny from the AFL's new, tougher drug-testing regime.
The criticism surrounding the Tigers' initial response was overstated and in some cases unfair.
It was Martin's connections that reportedly saw the Channel Seven producer initially back away from telling her story in public. That she feared for her safety. The club's view was she had accepted Martin's apology and spoke publicly only after some pressure from network bosses.
The network's view was the Tigers attempted to downplay the situation through the original wording of their press statement – a move that saw the victim change her mind. Both sides deny the other's version of events.
So the responses of Richmond's executives, from Brendon Gale down, have been queried. Gale, a male sporting champion of change, spoke on Tuesday of his abhorrence of violence towards women, but there has been a view he should have spoken immediately after the story became public.
Football boss Daniel Richardson's use of the word hiccup was attacked when referring to this latest Martin transgression.
So Martin has challenged his club all over again. The Richmond view is club bosses can do or say nothing truly of substance until they have all the facts. In the end, though, however deep his troubles and however low his tolerance for alcohol, Martin must be held accountable.
There can be specialised treatment of different souls at football clubs, but not leniency in a case such as this. And if Martin is found to have intimidated the woman to the point she felt at risk of a violent attack, then this is a matter for the police and not simply the AFL.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victims-account-will-shape-richmond-tigers-star-dustin-martins-punishment-20151208-glipay.html
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Hahahahahaha cleary well FMD. Can we get Rosie Batie's opinion in for good measure.
The media and others, are running with the gender card and for that they can shove it up their date. Said it before il say it again if it was a bloke this would be laughed at, just like the old copper was laughing at the races.
Remember that :thumbsup
It was a mistake he admits he was an idiot and you move on with a small punishment of a few weeks
To turn this into a violence against woman circus is a joke IMO. Can someone anyone explain how this has received more air time than the hodgy incident??
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Ok this is just ridiculous now. Copping it worse than if he were caught taking drugs on camera, drink driving or committing destruction of property. If it's a matter for the police then why did she not go there instead of waiting a couple days to make a story out of it? It's clearly a stitch up. Stuff me.
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Lol Caro,
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I'm glad the club is looking to do a full investigation of the facts and base their decision on that.
Plenty seem to be quite content to be judge, jury and executioner of both sides regardless of understanding what unfolded.
Agree
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This is targetting players unfairly, reading his supposed "rap sheet" you would think he was the mastermind behind the twin towers.
The press will not be happy until they hound some poor player into committing suicide.
Dusty, not an ideal incident, but we are all susceptible to the demon alcohol, he has apologised, lets move on please.
RFC should stand by Dusty in this instance and tell the AFL to GFThemselves
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RFC should stand by Dusty in this instance and tell the AFL to GFThemselves
Good luck with that , we will bend over and accept whatever the afl wants.
Weak on and off the field
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RFC should stand by Dusty in this instance and tell the AFL to GFThemselves
Good luck with that , we will bend over and accept whatever the afl wants.
Weak on and off the field
Agree, but that would make a REAL news story
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Nathan Bock
assaulted girlfriend in public
threw a glass of beer in her face
was escorted from the premises
caused $2500 property damage
was charged & put on a good behaviour bond
AFL-sanctioned punishment: one match + $5K fine
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So any afl player is in reality an indentured slave of the AFL throughout their whole playing career, 24/7, 365 days pa.
Its a bloody big ask to have @800 fit young blokes running around the country with not one blemish against any of their names at the threat of "bringing the game into disrepute"
The Boak judgement puts Dustys blip down to a slap on the hand
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sweet so just to update
Alan Didak
Hodgy
Bock
chick who pushed a cop
anyone else who copped a slap on the wrist or a year out?
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Victim's account will shape Richmond Tigers star Dustin Martin's punishment
Caroline Wilson
The Age
December 9, 2015
Neither alternative is palatable, but if she felt at risk of physical harm this should be a matter for the police, and Martin should be charged.
. And if Martin is found to have intimidated the woman to the point she felt at risk of a violent attack, then this is a matter for the police and not simply the AFL.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victims-account-will-shape-richmond-tigers-star-dustin-martins-punishment-20151208-glipay.html
And if the police think that there are no charges to face, what then?
If the police got involved and charged every drunk person who threatened but never hurt anybody, our courts would have at least a 10 year waiting period.
Let the guy do community service for the nest 3 months. Let him front up and serve soup to the homeless. Let him attend AA meetings or something similar, because if alcohol and violence where his issues, how is missing a few games of football going to educate him?
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Beat up or not, the club has no choice but to come down very hard.
He's an idiot. We've spoilt him. Essentially letting him cook himself til the wee hours every week and he does this dumb poo. You can't drantically threaten a woman in public in this day and age.
Honestly, he deserves a massive punishment.
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Let the guy do community service for the nest 3 months. Let him front up and serve soup to the homeless. Let him attend AA meetings or something similar, because if alcohol and violence where his issues, how is missing a few games of football going to educate him?
Re the community service side of things (which I strongly agree with BTW) the White Ribbon Organisation is the one should do the work work with. Would open his eyes to what is going on the world. Have had a bit to do with them myself (albiet a number of years ago) but spend some time with them, see what they do and maybe just maybe the pneey will drop
As for missing games of football - my take on that and I don't expect people to agree but take away the most important thing in the world to him for a period of time and he may just learn that if he continues with his stupid off field behaviour then he will lose his career and all the privileges that go with it
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Yes he did the wrong thing, yes he shouldn't have done it, no we don't condone it but..
I really think some people are trying to use him as the face for violence against women and because he is high profile, we have a bad habit of doing this in our country!
Talks of banning him for a year and fining him $50,000 is completely ludicrous, this sort of punishment doesn't even exist in the courts!
People need to settle down a bit and think and look at this incident for what it really is and then apply the appropriate punishment.
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Let the guy do community service for the nest 3 months. Let him front up and serve soup to the homeless. Let him attend AA meetings or something similar, because if alcohol and violence where his issues, how is missing a few games of football going to educate him?
Re the community service side of things (which I strongly agree with BTW) the White Ribbon Organisation is the one should do the work work with. Would open his eyes to what is going on the world. Have had a bit to do with them myself (albiet a number of years ago) but spend some time with them, see what they do and maybe just maybe the pneey will drop
As for missing games of football - my take on that and I don't expect people to agree but take away the most important thing in the world to him for a period of time and he may just learn that if he continues with his stupid off field behaviour then he will lose his career and all the privileges that go with it
your right most wont agree with this but define "period of time"? Most will agree if its anywhere between 2 and 4 but beyond that is a complete and utter farce, compared to what has previously been given to other footballers
YBB has nailed it!
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Beat up or not, the club has no choice but to come down very hard.
He's an idiot. We've spoilt him. Essentially letting him cook himself til the wee hours every week and he does this dumb poo. You can't drantically threaten a woman in public in this day and age.
Honestly, he deserves a massive punishment.
So punish the club
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Beat up or not, the club has no choice but to come down very hard.
He's an idiot. We've spoilt him. Essentially letting him cook himself til the wee hours every week and he does this dumb poo. You can't drantically threaten a woman in public in this day and age.
Honestly, he deserves a massive punishment.
So punish the club
Why are you so intent on criticizing everyone except for the bloke who has stuffed up massively? (a bloke who has been looked after very stuffing well by his employer mind you)
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Sandown races today
Race 5 Number 6
Omen bet of the year and D Oliver on board to kick him home
"The Walrus"
LOL
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"Sticks and stones
may break my bones,
but names will never hurt me."
ChopSTICKS. Very very bad.
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Nathan Bock
assaulted girlfriend in public
threw a glass of beer in her face
was escorted from the premises
caused $2500 property damage
was charged & put on a good behaviour bond
AFL-sanctioned punishment: one match + $5K fine
Yeah but dusty out Chop sticks in his mouth and impersonated a walrus
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Violence against women ain't this.
Get some perspective,mofos..
Dusty- CALL YOUR LAWYER
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Just wanting to establish a
Point of reality amidst the media frenzy that has enveloped Dustin Martin.
Firstly, let's examine violence against women and afl players. I Immediately think of Stephen Milne and Leigh Montagna. Both were permitted to play on amidst allegations of sex crimes agains a woman.
Now. All u femmos. Personally, I hate your views and opportunistic approach to dismantling men, considering it stems from your own shortcomings, self pity and anger towards a specific issue.
As for the female producer from channel seven who lagged Dusty, let me ask this.
Being a TV, journo type producer (lol) it's her job to provoke bull poo and that's just what she has done. Calling a loud drunk over to ones table and then talking down to them is only ever going to end one way.
She's a drinker.
All her co workers are drinkers. That's the TV industry.
She knew that.
They were strangers.
Wtf did the manipulative cow expect? I'll tell you. ...she expected exactly what she got.
Now, due to the insipid, licking nature of the AFL, she has been included in a disciplinary committee and even asked if she felt a 12 month suspension for Martin was acceptable.
Yep. They asked her.
She "suggested" a lesser penalty. She "suggested" some counselling.
Yes again. The AFL, in their attempt to be the number one code in the country are now allowing members of the public to dictate punishments to players. It seems they'll do anything to put distance between being a corrupt, drug and rapist filled league and this heavy social issue of "violence against women", so keen in fact they are willing to stretch truths to suit they're agenda but hey, nothing has changed there.
Dustin Martin is guilty - guilty of DAD - idiotness against idiots...after all,
Water and people find their own levels.
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Is this producer really on the dusty discipline committitee...
Lol Richmond you weak dogs
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wow. That post wont last on here as its 100% accurate with the current state of play.
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wow. That post wont last on here as its 100% accurate with the current state of play.
No it's not.
It's presumptuous and melodramatic to the extreme.
Basically it says Dusty shouldn't be punished because feminists and channel 7 suck.
Bottom line is Dusty behaved in an unacceptable way and needs to be reprimanded.
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wow. That post wont last on here as its 100% accurate with the current state of play.
No it's not.
It's presumptuous and melodramatic to the extreme.
Basically it says Dusty shouldn't be punished because feminists and channel 7 suck.
Bottom line is Dusty behaved in an unacceptable way and needs to be reprimanded.
But bock can GLASS his misses no worries mate
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wow. That post wont last on here as its 100% accurate with the current state of play.
No it's not.
It's presumptuous and melodramatic to the extreme.
Basically it says Dusty shouldn't be punished because feminists and channel 7 suck.
Bottom line is Dusty behaved in an unacceptable way and needs to be reprimanded.
Sorry.
It's totally correct.
You're just a femmo
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Lol at anyone who thinks Dusty's actions were wrong being called a "femmo".
Just shows how out of touch you are Ox.
Oh and the "Steven Milne was a pig and he got to play" argument is going to help Dusty. For starters, they were only allegations. Dusty has already admitted guilt. Obvious difference.
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Cyclops I'm not allowed to use te word slag?
:o
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wow. That post wont last on here as its 100% accurate with the current state of play.
No it's not.
It's presumptuous and melodramatic to the extreme.
Basically it says Dusty shouldn't be punished because feminists and channel 7 suck.
Bottom line is Dusty behaved in an unacceptable way and needs to be reprimanded.
Melodrama? Lol.
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Lol at anyone who thinks Dusty's actions were wrong being called a "femmo".
Just shows how out of touch you are Ox.
Oh and the "Steven Milne was a pig and he got to play" argument is going to help Dusty. For starters, they were only allegations. Dusty has already admitted guilt. Obvious difference.
Presumptuous of u to infer I think he should escape punishment.
A fine is all he deserves.
I want to win games.
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Lol at anyone who thinks Dusty's actions were wrong being called a "femmo".
Just shows how out of touch you are Ox.
Oh and the "Steven Milne was a pig and he got to play" argument is going to help Dusty. For starters, they were only allegations. Dusty has already admitted guilt. Obvious difference.
You might wanna e carful how you word things
"Only rape allegations" will not please te hairy arm posse
You might find yourself in hot water big willie
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wow. That post wont last on here as its 100% accurate with the current state of play.
No it's not.
It's presumptuous and melodramatic to the extreme.
Basically it says Dusty shouldn't be punished because feminists and channel 7 suck.
Bottom line is Dusty behaved in an unacceptable way and needs to be reprimanded.
Sorry.
It's totally correct.
You're just a femmo
Maybe, but you're an old wacko who thinks he knows a lot about how the world should work, but actually knows very little and has rightfully been banished to the margins of society.
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wow. That post wont last on here as its 100% accurate with the current state of play.
No it's not.
It's presumptuous and melodramatic to the extreme.
Basically it says Dusty shouldn't be punished because feminists and channel 7 suck.
Bottom line is Dusty behaved in an unacceptable way and needs to be reprimanded.
Sorry.
It's totally correct.
You're just a femmo
Maybe, but you're an old wacko who thinks he knows a lot about how the world should work, but actually knows very little and has rightfully been banished to the margins of society.
You gunna do a spear dance r something?
Who is doing this society banishing? The same folk that claim ones racist fr booing a footy player perhaps?
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wow. That post wont last on here as its 100% accurate with the current state of play.
No it's not.
It's presumptuous and melodramatic to the extreme.
Basically it says Dusty shouldn't be punished because feminists and channel 7 suck.
Bottom line is Dusty behaved in an unacceptable way and needs to be reprimanded.
Sorry.
It's totally correct.
You're just a femmo
Maybe, but you're an old wacko who thinks he knows a lot about how the world should work, but actually knows very little and has rightfully been banished to the margins of society.
R u a woman?
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In Willys world, I've been banished to an imaginary pocket in time....and she thinks I'm out of touch. Xx
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In Willys world, I've been banished to an imaginary pocket in time....and she thinks I'm out of touch. Xx
Hang in there Napoleon
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Calls me presumptuous. Lol. What a stupid cow
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wow. That post wont last on here as its 100% accurate with the current state of play.
No it's not.
It's presumptuous and melodramatic to the extreme.
Basically it says Dusty shouldn't be punished because feminists and channel 7 suck.
Bottom line is Dusty behaved in an unacceptable way and needs to be reprimanded.
Sorry.
It's totally correct.
You're just a femmo
Maybe, but you're an old wacko who thinks he knows a lot about how the world should work, but actually knows very little and has rightfully been banished to the margins of society.
R u a woman?
No I'm a "femo" and that lady who dusty abused is a "stupid b" and everyone else who isn't a white male from the 70's like your fishing buddies is an idiot.
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Again, presumptions....and again, wrong. Lol
Ps - u r a femmo. A social media one
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Thinks I'm a white boy
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"Fishing buddies"
Yeeees big willie :clapping
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Calls me presumptuous. Lol. What a stupid cow
That's how kids react when someone disagrees with them.
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Who is this women?
I assume we are allowed to know - if she's sitting at the head if a Richmond / dusty suspension white ribbon day committitee
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Calls me presumptuous. Lol. What a stupid cow
That's how kids react when someone disagrees with them.
Actually, this is how-
"No it's not.
It's presumptuous and melodramatic to the extreme.
Basically it says Dusty shouldn't be punished because feminists and channel 7 suck. "
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You've offered nothing, big Willyhead, other than ideals.
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Lay debater.
Lazy person
When did u last have a job?
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:lol
You do make me laugh. I'm actually at work right now thanks babe. I'll text you later. Hang tight.
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Head of diversity at a big human resources firm :shh
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Receptionist at Legal Aid, Cranbourne :snidegrin
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:lol
Not either of those.
It's probably not a job a tough realist like yourself would respect though.
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Our fishing buddies wouldn't think so either
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnLl0OMuDX0
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Calm down peoples
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Everybody love everybody ...
I am the walrus
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:lol
Not either of those.
It's probably not a job a tough realist like yourself would respect though.
By your own presumptuous admission, of course.
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One of Oxx's racist fishing buddies....
(http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Who-Are-the-Australian-Aborigines-2.jpg)
Booooooo!!!
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stuffn booooooooooooooooooooo !!!
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She doesn't want to be named
She is quite happy to sit on the punish dusty committee
:lol
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I enjoy racist fishing....we leave the whiting alone and only go after jewfish.......
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Well I must say, this has been a thoroughly entertaining read for the morning. I'm very surprised the thought police haven't come in with the choppity chop.
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What will be the next chapter in the Dusty saga ? Next year will it be running away ( on foot ) from a booze bus ?
Every morning , during this boring off season I get on OER hoping not to see a disturbing headline involving Dusty .
Congrats boy , you have delivered in spades this time. ::)
So is this the final chance ????
One more indiscretion and Dusty is gone ???
It breaks my heart because Dusty is a once in a generation type of footballer . We are so lucky to have someone of his skill at Tigerland .
I just fear that he is going to $&@$ it all up .
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I enjoy racist fishing....we leave the whiting alone and only go after jewfish.......
So where so you stand on Red Emperors, Great Whites, Yellow Bellies, European Carp, English Redfin (confusing choice), African Lungfish, Blackfish, Chinoook Salmon and the list goes on..............? So much opportunity to explore one's inner racist. And do you boo those fish you can't catch? ;D
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:lol
Not either of those.
It's probably not a job a tough realist like yourself would respect though.
By your own presumptuous admission, of course.
Yes we femo cows are prone to presumption, particularly when we're hell bent on "dismantling" a poor innocent male.
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:lol
Not either of those.
It's probably not a job a tough realist like yourself would respect though.
By your own presumptuous admission, of course.
Yes we femo cows are prone to presumption, particularly when we're hell bent on "dismantling" a poor innocent male.
Something something it's only rape allegations something
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It will be more interesting to see how the Police punish their own after the recent allegations about female abuse and sexism in the force.....
But that will no doubt be overshadowed by the Dustin Martin incident.
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The royal commission against child abuse people breathing a sigh of relief
The flash light squarely on the animal that is the Maori
Three shots in an hour
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It will be more interesting to see how the Police punish their own after the recent allegations about female abuse and sexism in the force.....
But that will no doubt be overshadowed by the Dustin Martin incident.
At least the australian military is above this sort of thing ...
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It will be more interesting to see how the Police punish their own after the recent allegations about female abuse and sexism in the force.....
But that will no doubt be overshadowed by the Dustin Martin incident.
:thumbsup
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First game next year everyone of our mighty tiger army wears a walrus mask to game 1?? :lol
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First game next year everyone of our mighty tiger army wears a walrus mask to game 1?? :lol
Chopstick Tifo
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What will be the next chapter in the Dusty saga ? Next year will it be running away ( on foot ) from a booze bus ?
Every morning , during this boring off season I get on OER hoping not to see a disturbing headline involving Dusty .
Congrats boy , you have delivered in spades this time. ::)
So is this the final chance ????
One more indiscretion and Dusty is gone ???
It breaks my heart because Dusty is a once in a generation type of footballer . We are so lucky to have someone of his skill at Tigerland .
I just fear that he is going to $&@$ it all up .
His horrible track record:
Missed a training run with Connors
Made a jail signal after kicking a goal
Gave Collingwood fans the finger after kicking a goal
Had a day on the pee and pretended to be a walrus
Woweee what a naughty boy. Let's delist him so he goes on to play in premierships at Hawthorn
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What will be the next chapter in the Dusty saga ? Next year will it be running away ( on foot ) from a booze bus ?
Every morning , during this boring off season I get on OER hoping not to see a disturbing headline involving Dusty .
Congrats boy , you have delivered in spades this time. ::)
So is this the final chance ????
One more indiscretion and Dusty is gone ???
It breaks my heart because Dusty is a once in a generation type of footballer . We are so lucky to have someone of his skill at Tigerland .
I just fear that he is going to $&@$ it all up .
last chance. :lol yeah because he screwed up big time previously with the 2 finger salute or missing a training session.
Minor indiscretions i mean FFS didnt richo give the bird. He hasnt done much wrong in my eyes apart from this occasion acting like a drunk which a fine, community service and a 2 week penalty will fix.
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What is a jail sign ?
What's wrong with giving the bird to pies slags ?
How many afl players have ever missed a training?
You are a funny bunch
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Stalin, you are the slowest person I have ever come across. Learn to pick up on sarcasm bro.
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Stalin, you are the slowest person I have ever come across. Learn to pick up on sarcasm bro.
My inbred chum,
I was referring to the original post in regards to those things,
Not the above
---->. Matthew
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Maori witch hunt. :shh
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Stalin, you are the slowest person I have ever come across. Learn to pick up on sarcasm bro.
My inbred chum,
I was referring to the original post in regards to those things,
Not the above
---->. Matthew
you're myy bro but damn are u dumb. love ya though
grigg is great
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Everybody love everybody ...
I am the walrus
The walrus is a horse at Sandown
Too many walrus'
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My inbred chum,
:lol
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Stalin, you are the slowest person I have ever come across. Learn to pick up on sarcasm bro.
My inbred chum,
I was referring to the original post in regards to those things,
Not the above
---->. Matthew
you're myy bro but damn are u dumb. love ya though
grigg is great
Doesn't really matter losing dusty for 12 months
Griggy will step up
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:lol
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What will be the next chapter in the Dusty saga ? Next year will it be running away ( on foot ) from a booze bus ?
Every morning , during this boring off season I get on OER hoping not to see a disturbing headline involving Dusty .
Congrats boy , you have delivered in spades this time. ::)
So is this the final chance ????
One more indiscretion and Dusty is gone ???
It breaks my heart because Dusty is a once in a generation type of footballer . We are so lucky to have someone of his skill at Tigerland .
I just fear that he is going to $&@$ it all up .
Calm down please.
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(http://www.tdogmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Helen-Lovejoy.jpg)
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:lol
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I hope this chopstick fiasco is just the tip of the riceberg
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:lol :lol :lol
Nice one.
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To go back on topic, KB's sugesstion of a season ban is redic'.
However, unlike some on here, i do think it was a serious incident and I reckon Dusty knows that.
Call me a fembot, but I think Dusty missing the first few games of the season would be a fair outcome and would send the right message.
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Why does it matter? She got what she deserved and I'm not referring to the apology. Blokes pretending to be a walrus and has to put up with some nosy bitch telling him to pull his head in.
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First game next year everyone of our mighty tiger army wears a walrus mask to game
1?? :lol
Everybody, just bring a chopstick And wave it in the air...like he did.
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Idiots. If I read one more post about punishing one of our own I'll spew up. Is this a save the world forum or a Richmond forum.
He made a mistake. If it was any random Joe nothing would happen.
Hodge drinks and drives. Nothing.
Liam Jurrah stabbing assault. Nothing
Michael Hurley kicks a cabbie. 3 weeks.
Taylor Adams, breaks some guys jaw. 1 week.
Think Martin's mistake is nowhere in the ball park of those mistakes.
For stuff sake get a grip you idiots.
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Well spoken, Pope.
Check this..
Luke Hodge - captain of the club gets caught drink driving (no suspension, $450 fine)
Michael Hurley - gets extremely intoxicated, tries to evade cab fare, kicks the cab driver in the groin and punches him after being approached for not paying the fare (NAB challenge & 3 weeks, no fine)
Taylor Adams - pleads guilty to affray and recklessly causing injury where one man ends up with a broken jaw (1 week, $3,347 fine)
Liam Jurrah - charged with a machete attack causing serious head injuries to a man (no suspension or fine - Melbourne said they would "stand by Jurrah")
Alan Didak - has a car ride with an accused murderer who starts firing shots out of his window, continues to drink with bikies at a club house after in Campbellfield (no suspension or fine)
Nathan Bock - assaulted girlfriend in public and caused property damage (1 week, $5,000 fine)
Daniel Kerr - charged twice with assault in 2007 (no suspension or fine)
Steve Johnson - is caught speeding almost 80km over the speed limit (no suspension or fine - Geelong officials dismiss it as a "brain spasm")
Jeff Farmer - pleaded guilty to assaulting his partner by hitting her several times in the head (no suspension, $2,000 fine)
Ben Cousins & Michael Gardner - questioned by police over telephone calls they allegedly received in Melbourne that were made following a brawl and shooting at a Perth nightclub. Police believed they had conversations with at least one of the two men charged with disposing of the gun after the brawl (no suspension or fine)
Collin Sylvia - allegedly assaulted his girlfriend and threatened to kill a passerby who intervened. It is believed he was intoxicated at the time (no suspension or fine - Melbourne say they're "disappointed Collin didn't advise us of the matter")
Simon Goodwin - assaulted a photographer before threatening to "f***ing kill" him after running amok at an Adelaide pub at 11am (no suspension or fine - Adelaide call it a "learning experience")
Brodie Holland - was charged with assaulting two women out the front of a Melbourne nightclub ($2,500 fine, no suspension - Collingwood "disappointed")
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Unfkn cocksuckers, RFC and AFL.
No wonder the club is full of little babies - that's what u get surrounded by PC scaredy cats m
They make me sick.
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There's Jake Carlisle too, 2 wks for snorting a mystery power substance in America.
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I wonder why we haven't won anything in nearly half a century as I'm reading our own supporters and legend of club wanting to ban our best player for this..
Why bother..
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protect our own
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so if I get this so far, we re lead to believe this woman was in such grave danger that the police haven't bothered to pursue pressing charges ::)
Don't worry they would if they believed there was a case, :shh
I still have t peeled myself from the ceiling , and don't get me started on that stuffen restaurant , they'll be little more than a sushi bar once they lose their liquor license for a gross breach of their responsibilities :banghead
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I've been asking Dustin to call his lawyer for pages, now....
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If the cops aren't involved , prob no need . I'd highly doubt that there would be charges as the chances of a conviction would be unlikely , more likely drunk and disorderly or public nuisance
If you believe some of the knobs out there, he should be on charges of attempted murder :lol
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Big Benny needs to make a stand for his player and Club and stop sucking up to the AFL where he missed the main gig.
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Well spoken, Pope.
Check this..
Luke Hodge - captain of the club gets caught drink driving (no suspension, $450 fine)
Michael Hurley - gets extremely intoxicated, tries to evade cab fare, kicks the cab driver in the groin and punches him after being approached for not paying the fare (NAB challenge & 3 weeks, no fine)
Taylor Adams - pleads guilty to affray and recklessly causing injury where one man ends up with a broken jaw (1 week, $3,347 fine)
Well spoken, Pope.
Check this..
Luke Hodge - captain of the club gets caught drink driving (no suspension, $450 fine)
Michael Hurley - gets extremely intoxicated, tries to evade cab fare, kicks the cab driver in the groin and punches him after being approached for not paying the fare (NAB challenge & 3 weeks, no fine)
Taylor Adams - pleads guilty to affray and recklessly causing injury where one man ends up with a broken jaw (1 week, $3,347 fine)
Liam Jurrah - charged with a machete attack causing serious head injuries to a man (no suspension or fine - Melbourne said they would "stand by Jurrah")
Alan Didak - has a car ride with an accused murderer who starts firing shots out of his window, continues to drink with bikies at a club house after in Campbellfield (no suspension or fine)
Nathan Bock - assaulted girlfriend in public and caused property damage (1 week, $5,000 fine)
Daniel Kerr - charged twice with assault in 2007 (no suspension or fine)
Steve Johnson - is caught speeding almost 80km over the speed limit (no suspension or fine - Geelong officials dismiss it as a "brain spasm")
Jeff Farmer - pleaded guilty to assaulting his partner by hitting her several times in the head (no suspension, $2,000 fine)
Ben Cousins & Michael Gardner - questioned by police over telephone calls they allegedly received in Melbourne that were made following a brawl and shooting at a Perth nightclub. Police believed they had conversations with at least one of the two men charged with disposing of the gun after the brawl (no suspension or fine)
Collin Sylvia - allegedly assaulted his girlfriend and threatened to kill a passerby who intervened. It is believed he was intoxicated at the time (no suspension or fine - Melbourne say they're "disappointed Collin didn't advise us of the matter")
Simon Goodwin - assaulted a photographer before threatening to "f***ing kill" him after running amok at an Adelaide pub at 11am (no suspension or fine - Adelaide call it a "learning experience")
Brodie Holland - was charged with assaulting two women out the front of a Melbourne nightclub ($2,500 fine, no suspension - Collingwood "disappointed")
- charged with a machete attack causing serious head injuries to a man (no suspension or fine - Melbourne said they would "stand by Jurrah")
Alan Didak - has a car ride with an accused murderer who starts firing shots out of his window, continues to drink with bikies at a club house after in Campbellfield (no suspension or fine)
Nathan Bock - assaulted girlfriend in public and caused property damage (1 week, $5,000 fine)
Daniel Kerr - charged twice with assault in 2007 (no suspension or fine)
Steve Johnson - is caught speeding almost 80km over the speed limit (no suspension or fine - Geelong officials dismiss it as a "brain spasm")
Jeff Farmer - pleaded guilty to assaulting his partner by hitting her several times in the head (no suspension, $2,000 fine)
Ben Cousins & Michael Gardner - questioned by police over telephone calls they allegedly received in Melbourne that were made following a brawl and shooting at a Perth nightclub. Police believed they had conversations with at least one of the two men charged with disposing of the gun after the brawl (no suspension or fine)
Collin Sylvia - allegedly assaulted his girlfriend and threatened to kill a passerby who intervened. It is believed he was intoxicated at the time (no suspension or fine - Melbourne say they're "disappointed Collin didn't advise us of the matter")
Simon Goodwin - assaulted a photographer before threatening to "f***ing kill" him after running amok at an Adelaide pub at 11am (no suspension or fine - Adelaide call it a "learning experience")
Brodie Holland - was charged with assaulting two women out the front of a Melbourne nightclub ($2,500 fine, no suspension - Collingwood "disappointed")
well there you go aye. John Ralph the tosser or caro fail to mention that in their stories
KB is just after ratings and it worked, but the club's response is who interested in although we all know where its heading given how FOS they are all.
Only dimsim can save dusty now as IMO he couldnt give a stuff about this and just wants him to play round 1
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Big Benny needs to make a stand for his player and Club and stop sucking up to the AFL where he missed the main gig.
Benny is a feminist tho.
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Adrian Bayley is entitled to legal aid to get some convictions quashed. Bugger me.
Seems convicted murderers have more rights than the lets say a drunk footballer. :-\
Dusty is a moron but if the ponies aren't involved why the circus?
He should not have said what he said nor should anyone for that matter but I digress.......
This is no longer gladitorial sport but political correctness gone mad.
One day one of these footy players will commit suicide from all this unnecessary and over the top attention. Who will be responsible?
Time for Benny and the club to stand by their man and not throw him under the bus for the sake of appeasing the media circus.
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Well spoken, Pope.
Check this..
Luke Hodge - captain of the club gets caught drink driving (no suspension, $450 fine)
Michael Hurley - gets extremely intoxicated, tries to evade cab fare, kicks the cab driver in the groin and punches him after being approached for not paying the fare (NAB challenge & 3 weeks, no fine)
Taylor Adams - pleads guilty to affray and recklessly causing injury where one man ends up with a broken jaw (1 week, $3,347 fine)
Liam Jurrah - charged with a machete attack causing serious head injuries to a man (no suspension or fine - Melbourne said they would "stand by Jurrah")
Alan Didak - has a car ride with an accused murderer who starts firing shots out of his window, continues to drink with bikies at a club house after in Campbellfield (no suspension or fine)
Nathan Bock - assaulted girlfriend in public and caused property damage (1 week, $5,000 fine)
Daniel Kerr - charged twice with assault in 2007 (no suspension or fine)
Steve Johnson - is caught speeding almost 80km over the speed limit (no suspension or fine - Geelong officials dismiss it as a "brain spasm")
Jeff Farmer - pleaded guilty to assaulting his partner by hitting her several times in the head (no suspension, $2,000 fine)
Ben Cousins & Michael Gardner - questioned by police over telephone calls they allegedly received in Melbourne that were made following a brawl and shooting at a Perth nightclub. Police believed they had conversations with at least one of the two men charged with disposing of the gun after the brawl (no suspension or fine)
Collin Sylvia - allegedly assaulted his girlfriend and threatened to kill a passerby who intervened. It is believed he was intoxicated at the time (no suspension or fine - Melbourne say they're "disappointed Collin didn't advise us of the matter")
Simon Goodwin - assaulted a photographer before threatening to "f***ing kill" him after running amok at an Adelaide pub at 11am (no suspension or fine - Adelaide call it a "learning experience")
Brodie Holland - was charged with assaulting two women out the front of a Melbourne nightclub ($2,500 fine, no suspension - Collingwood "disappointed")
And there is the hypocritical truth of the politically correct, sycophantic, do-gooding, people that live in glass houses who are oh so vocal in damning Dusty to the gallows. Maybe he shouldn't have tatts hey?
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Big Benny needs to make a stand for his player and Club and stop sucking up to the AFL where he missed the main gig.
There is the real truth in all of this.
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Adrian Bayley is entitled to legal aid to get some convictions quashed. Bugger me.
Seems convicted murderers have more rights than the lets say a drunk footballer. :-\
Dusty is a moron but if the ponies aren't involved why the circus?
He should not have said what he said nor should anyone for that matter but I digress.......
This is no longer gladitorial sport but political correctness gone mad.
One day one of these footy players will commit suicide from all this unnecessary and over the top attention. Who will be responsible?
Time for Benny and the club to stand by their man and not throw him under the bus for the sake of appeasing the media circus.
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Absolutely Benny gale needs to make a stand , an extended time out would be an injustice. This is not a case of violence against woman , there was no physical harm. There was no assault, thankfully the situation stopped short of that.
this is a disagreement with an inebriated person that escalated .
Putting himself in this situation needs to be dealt with. Given that he has no priors with this kinda aggressive behavior , it was completely out of character. Don't let the tats fool u, he s never ever been booked for striking , a two week spell with 4 week suspended would be about right
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RFC
Gutless fairy flogs
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Adrian Bayley is entitled to legal aid to get some convictions quashed. Bugger me.
Seems convicted murderers have more rights than the lets say a drunk footballer. :-\
Dusty is a moron but if the ponies aren't involved why the circus?
He should not have said what he said nor should anyone for that matter but I digress.......
This is no longer gladitorial sport but political correctness gone mad.
One day one of these footy players will commit suicide from all this unnecessary and over the top attention. Who will be responsible?
Time for Benny and the club to stand by their man and not throw him under the bus for the sake of appeasing the media circus.
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X3 underlined. Said it before and many ridiculed me, the media are judge, jury and executioner. Same when it comes to coaches. I'm sick to death of the constant poo that is AFL these days. It seems all that is talked about is everything other the game and how they can all stuff it up is the focus.
I don't think I will be following it in another 5 years, that's how bad it's getting.
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I would have felt the time was when it happened
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Well spoken, Pope.
Check this..
Luke Hodge - captain of the club gets caught drink driving (no suspension, $450 fine)
Michael Hurley - gets extremely intoxicated, tries to evade cab fare, kicks the cab driver in the groin and punches him after being approached for not paying the fare (NAB challenge & 3 weeks, no fine)
Taylor Adams - pleads guilty to affray and recklessly causing injury where one man ends up with a broken jaw (1 week, $3,347 fine)
Liam Jurrah - charged with a machete attack causing serious head injuries to a man (no suspension or fine - Melbourne said they would "stand by Jurrah")
Alan Didak - has a car ride with an accused murderer who starts firing shots out of his window, continues to drink with bikies at a club house after in Campbellfield (no suspension or fine)
Nathan Bock - assaulted girlfriend in public and caused property damage (1 week, $5,000 fine)
Daniel Kerr - charged twice with assault in 2007 (no suspension or fine)
Steve Johnson - is caught speeding almost 80km over the speed limit (no suspension or fine - Geelong officials dismiss it as a "brain spasm")
Jeff Farmer - pleaded guilty to assaulting his partner by hitting her several times in the head (no suspension, $2,000 fine)
Ben Cousins & Michael Gardner - questioned by police over telephone calls they allegedly received in Melbourne that were made following a brawl and shooting at a Perth nightclub. Police believed they had conversations with at least one of the two men charged with disposing of the gun after the brawl (no suspension or fine)
Collin Sylvia - allegedly assaulted his girlfriend and threatened to kill a passerby who intervened. It is believed he was intoxicated at the time (no suspension or fine - Melbourne say they're "disappointed Collin didn't advise us of the matter")
Simon Goodwin - assaulted a photographer before threatening to "f***ing kill" him after running amok at an Adelaide pub at 11am (no suspension or fine - Adelaide call it a "learning experience")
Brodie Holland - was charged with assaulting two women out the front of a Melbourne nightclub ($2,500 fine, no suspension - Collingwood "disappointed")
What a bunch of stuffing hypocrites, I want to stab KB and Ralphy in the head with some chopsticks
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stuffn afl have got too much clout and I stuffn hate it.
Their kangaroo courts take precedent over the stuffn justice system.
The woman should be charged with entrapment.
The afl with conspiring wih a cow to pervert the course of justice in a kangaroo court
that recently made idiots of themselves with the handling of illegal drug use.
If the club had any balls they'd say "press charges or stuff off"
Weak dogs they are
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Dusty’s talents will rescue him again
WHEN it comes to Richmond punishing Dustin Martin for his behaviour towards a woman at a Melbourne restaurant, the potency of the player becomes a key issue.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-decision-could-hurt-richmonds-2016-flag-aspirations/news-story/7b77e2f14a344df6e09a33a2daacd0fb
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Dustin Martin summoned before Richmond leadership group as he awaits punishment
JON RALPH
Herald Sun
December 10, 2015
DUSTIN Martin was summoned before the Richmond leadership group on Wednesday as the club’s investigation dragged into a third day.
The Tigers and the AFL’s integrity department will now sift through the evidence before Richmond hands down its punishment as early as today.
The club is determined not to rule on Martin’s abusive behaviour until it has a full version of his behaviour on Saturday.
That includes his conduct at the Stereosonic music concert and the exact version of events from all parties at Mr Miyagi on Saturday night.
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale continues to consult with the AFL but the Tigers are adamant they will control Martin’s future.
Martin spent the day at the club and trained with the Richmond squad but is certain to be suspended for a period of home-and-away games by the Tigers.
A woman has alleged he stood over her and verbally abused her, threatening to stab her with a chopstick from the restaurant.
Martin has told friends he drunk only alcohol during the day but clearly lost control of his drinking after downing a number of shots.
The previous night he had dined with close friends and told them he was enjoying his football more than ever.
But after a Saturday morning run he again ignited controversy when he threatened to stab a woman in the face with a chopstick.
He yelled at her: ‘Don’t tell me how to live my life’ and ‘I’ll f------ kill you’,” before being pulled away by close friends.
Martin seems destined for a lengthy suspension even if the woman refuses to press charges against the Tigers’ star midfielder.
The Tigers have repeatedly counselled and educated Martin about his professionalism and social habits and had hoped they were turning a corner.
Now they are aware the football world wants them to hand Martin a meaningful sanction that does not demean efforts to minimise violence against women.
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale is one of the foundation members of the Male Champions of Change group which tackles gender inequity in sport.
The mantra of that group is: ‘We need more decent, powerful men to step up beside women in building a gender equal world”.
Gale made it clear this week the Tigers had a duty to set a message about how clubs responded in situations involving threats to women.
The Tigers have been roundly criticised for their initial response to the incident, including football boss Dan Richardson’s response that the incident was a “hiccup”.
The club’s defence is that he was asked if Martin had a drinking problem and said he didn’t apart from the latest “hiccup”.
Martin is contracted to Richmond for two more seasons, with Richmond adamant it must change his behaviour as well as punish him for the incident.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-summoned-before-richmond-leadership-group-as-he-awaits-punishment/news-story/297f10c120de270dcea5be33325bcf33
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The club is dealing with it well IMO. Collating all the information before making any decision and not bowing to social/media pressure.
I will support any decision they make knowing that they have thoroughly investigated the incident. Deal in facts not speculation.
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With brackets, press charges or fo
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Bc of the circumstances with us "championing" the cause against womens violence, unfortunately I think he will cop a whopping suspension for this.
Absolute BS
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Yep BS but I still think its a 50/50 proposition TM. I think dimsim has different ideas than a lengthy suspension
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If they suspend him, burn ur memberships on the grounds thatthe club won't even look after its own
And don't got I any games.
stuff this club and Benny gale.
He's a total stuffn Poofter now.
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A long suspension wouldn't be effective in my opinion and could possibly have the opposite effect; increasing a mistrust/mislike of women.
I think it should be volunteering in a womens shelter, 1 afternoon a week for the season at the county court women's victim sittings. Help him understand that his actions were inappropriate and why they were.
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stuff off.
He didn't do anything that deserves that poo.
He qpologised so she should just stuff off
Move on U POOFTER PC wankers m
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Jon Ralph on SEN said he's heard nothing yet out of Richmond. Nothing public from Gill yet either.
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Poofters
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Jon Ralph on SEN said he's heard nothing yet out of Richmond. Nothing public from Gill yet either.
Haven't heard much about the Hawks players facing investigation either. (sweep)
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Yeah the more this goes on the more I think an overreaction is on the cards. I'm over it, no damage was done, he didn't do anything physical and he didn't hurt anyone. he was peeed, it was pee talk and you know what if she commented on his life then maybe she shouldn't have done that.
I'm not condoning his behavior but the lynch mob needs to back off. If he is suspended its just crap.
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Jon Ralph on SEN said he's heard nothing yet out of Richmond. Nothing public from Gill yet either.
Haven't heard much about the Hawks players facing investigation either. (sweep)
They have the right of privacy
As does this slag jorno cow
Everyone bar dusty. Funny that
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Benny wants to be ceo of the afl.
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If Benny was the PM, would you vote for him again?
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Ftr, wasn't even newsworthy in Sydney
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If Benny was the PM, would you vote for him again?
Only if he pledged $100 million dollars to the RFC! ;D
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A long suspension wouldn't be effective in my opinion and could possibly have the opposite effect; increasing a mistrust/mislike of women.
I think it should be volunteering in a womens shelter, 1 afternoon a week for the season at the county court women's victim sittings. Help him understand that his actions were inappropriate and why they were.
LOL, WTF? (or any other appropriate acronym)
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I think that would just develop his anger.
Once a week with any bitch is enough to do it.
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Lawyer up dusty
Sue everyone
Preferably an African America top orator
- race card (!!!)
- gay card
- minorities card
- discrimination
- depression (!!!)
- anger / drink issues
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Bullying via sociopathic media
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HS says he could face charges because the women has explicitly said he threatened to stab her. and a witness says they heard "I'll stuffen kill you"
:lol
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The joke that just keeps giving
Seriously FO
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Good.
Now - CALL YOUR FRKN LAWYER, SON!!!!!!
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With brackets, press charges or fo
You may get your wish
HUN is currently reporting that Dusty maybe charged by police
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Chopstick threat: Will Martin be charged?
DUSTIN Martin is facing potential criminal charges over his threats to stab a young woman with a chopstick in a Chapel St restaurant. The Herald Sun understands that Richmond and AFL integrity investigators who today took a formal statement....
NB: it's a "subscriber only story" so the above is all I have access to
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-facing-potential-criminal-charges-over-threatening-to-stab-woman-with-chopstick/news-story/31817ebc35d7092b13722e01b03e3875&memtype=anonymous
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With brackets, press charges or fo
You may get your wish
HUN is currently reporting that Dusty maybe charged by police
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Chopstick threat: Will Martin be charged?
DUSTIN Martin is facing potential criminal charges over his threats to stab a young woman with a chopstick in a Chapel St restaurant. The Herald Sun understands that Richmond and AFL integrity investigators who today took a formal statement....
NB: it's a "subscriber only story" so the above is all I have access to
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-facing-potential-criminal-charges-over-threatening-to-stab-woman-with-chopstick/news-story/31817ebc35d7092b13722e01b03e3875&memtype=anonymous
He faces up to 10 years imprisonment if there are charges pressed. That is no joke.
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lol. he will not go near prison. and 10 years for a chopstick threat :lol
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A long suspension wouldn't be effective in my opinion and could possibly have the opposite effect; increasing a mistrust/mislike of women.
I reckon that horse has probably already bolted.
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'Potential'
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DUSTIN Martin is facing potential criminal charges over his threats to stab a young woman with a chopstick in a Chapel St restaurant.
The Herald Sun understands that Richmond and AFL integrity investigators who today took a formal statement from the woman are now likely to recommend that the case be referred to the police, given the seriousness of the claims.
The woman is understood to have given the detailed statement to the AFL during a four-hour meeting at its Docklands HQ over the incident at the restaurant Mr Miyagi on Saturday night.
Sources close to the investigation have told the Herald Sun that further interviews are expected to be conducted today and tomorrow, before the league and club make a judgment on whether to keep the case in-house or whether it needs to be referred for a criminal probe.
But given the woman has been very explicit that Richmond star Martin threatened to stab her, it is believed it will most likely be referred to police.
Sources say the offence carries a maximum jail term of 10 years, though it is not expected Martin would get that if he was convicted.
In a vicious attack in front of dozens of diners, Martin is claimed to have raised a chopstick above the 30-year-old woman’s eye and threatened to stab her with it before slamming his open palm against a wall above her head.
The Tigers star had been drinking at all day music festival Stereosonic before heading to the venue with a friend.
He was seen drinking shots of sake before picking up chopsticks and disturbing other diners in the packed eaterie.
When he put the chopsticks in his mouth and pretended to be a walrus, the woman beckoned him over, told him diners knew who he was and that he should calm down.
Witnesses said Martin erupted with rage.
“Martin said: ‘Don’t tell me how to live my life, you’re gonna dob on me, are you?”’ according to one witness.
”He threatened ‘I’ll f------ kill you’,’’ one witness said.
Martin was eventually pulled away from the woman by his friend and the venue manager.
The victim complained to Richmond on Monday morning and in the afternoon Martin called her to apologise, saying he had “too much drink’’.
Richmond and the AFL have been probing the incident since.
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She's a real piece of work, this idiot.
Charlotte Dawsons mate.
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The age has confirmed the whole investigation will now be a taken over by Vic Police.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/richmond-footballer-dustin-martin-to-be-investigated-by-police-20151210-glkjbt.html
Does this mean the club will now hold back until any charges and convictions are recorded?
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A long suspension wouldn't be effective in my opinion and could possibly have the opposite effect; increasing a mistrust/mislike of women.
I reckon that horse has probably already bolted.
Spot on especially nosey ones like this channel 7 mole looking for her 5 seconds of fame for her network
Get stuffed
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And LMAO at the club and the afl having jurisdiction over it the decision.
Lmao at femmo dogs at channel seven pushing for charges.
Martin said: ‘Don’t tell me how to live my life, you’re gonna dob on me, are you?”’ according to one witnes :cheers :clapping
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At least will be investigated properly. If Dustin cops a whack so be it & his stupidity will cost our club enormously.
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The age has confirmed the whole investigation will now be a taken over by Vic Police.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/richmond-footballer-dustin-martin-to-be-investigated-by-police-20151210-glkjbt.html
Does this mean the club will now hold back until any charges and convictions are recorded?
They have to...otherwise, Dusty can sue them as well as the afl
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Come on fellas. It's not about whether you lot think it's a big deal or not, it's that the present day AFL machine will freakin jump up and down about it. Luke it or lump it, the club is a part of that PC world and it has no choice but to come down hard on him. If it fails to, the implications with sponsorships etc. would me massive. It's not the 60's or country footy. Image is critical.
The person I am most disappointed with in all of this is Dusty himself. Seriously, the club gives him plenty of rope to play up and carry on like a pork chop on weekends. All he had to do was not threaten to stab a chick in public. Dumb stuffer.
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"When he put the chopsticks in his mouth and pretended to be a walrus, the woman beckoned him over, told him diners knew who he was and that he should calm down."
The height of a man...pretending to be a walrus....what on earth is wrong with him. Hang on, that sounds pretty funny. WTF would she take objection to that?
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On the grounds that it's not her job to do that, Dusty can counter sue the restaurant.
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The idiot beckons him to her table and he obliges, only to be spoken to in a authoritive, condescending manner.
stuff her.
Mole
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Speaking at a Women in Leadership Summit this morning, Gale said Martin had made a “very serious mistake” when he made the violent threat.
Gale is a Male Champion of Change, one of a number of high-profile and influential men helping to advance gender equality in Victoria.
He said the incident created an opportunity for the club to say what was considered acceptable behaviour towards women.
Benny Femmo
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/dustin-martin-in-drunken-altercation-at-chapel-st-restaurant/news-story/56f92229cabcae3a33288c5748d683c2
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Why did the police wait 72 hours to get involved?
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Because the afl said
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/young-lion-lewis-taylor-admits-car-yard-vandalism-spree-causing-10k-damage/news-story/f54a783dab4e22203752677ad3260db0
Whilst we are on the topic of behaviour - Lewis Taylor escapes conviction for $10,000 vandalism spree
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Seriously let's look at waht these pricks are doing/not doing.
In house meetings decide the matter is to be referred to police.
Defendant has already apologised to cow therefore no threat of danger exists.
It's simply about a case of verbal abuse.
Gee, the coppers are gonna have a hard time with this one.
Interesting, that if it goes to court and I hope it does, Martin will not be able to receive a fair trial,
Ironically due to all the media and sensationalism generated by the cow and her employer.
CALL YOUR stuffn LAWYER BOY. THEY HAVE stuffED THIS UP A BEAUTY. LOL
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When he put the chopsticks in his mouth and pretended to be a walrus, the woman beckoned him over, told him diners knew who he was and that he should calm down.
Lol I thought that would have been the case
Mind your own business, don't beckon the walrus to you , moron-slag
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I know who you are mr martin
Please stop drinking sake and pretending to be an aquatic animal
Think about my asian dining experience
No doubt goes to the footy and asks people to keep it down
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Come on fellas. It's not about whether you lot think it's a big deal or not, it's that the present day AFL machine will freakin jump up and down about it. Luke it or lump it, the club is a part of that PC world and it has no choice but to come down hard on him. If it fails to, the implications with sponsorships etc. would me massive. It's not the 60's or country footy. Image is critical.
The person I am most disappointed with in all of this is Dusty himself. Seriously, the club gives him plenty of rope to play up and carry on like a pork chop on weekends. All he had to do was not threaten to stab a chick in public. Dumb stuffer.
Unless you win a few flags then you can have alleged rape cases covered up and your names kept on the down low...
Or you bottle your misses
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I know who you are mr martin
Please stop drinking sake and pretending to be an aquatic animal
Think about my asian dining experience
No doubt goes to the footy and asks people to keep it down
"Ma'am - You forgot,to give us homework!!!"
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"When he put the chopsticks in his mouth and pretended to be a walrus, the woman beckoned him over, told him diners knew who he was and that he should calm down."
The height of a man...pretending to be a walrus....what on earth is wrong with him. Hang on, that sounds pretty funny. WTF would she take objection to that?
If you google chopstick walrus you will see it is indeed pretty funny
This slag having a go at him for drinking thee shots in a hour wtf.
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she should be charged with stalking
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Inciting a riotous act
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she should be charged with stalking
RSPCA should get involved too
Stuffin with a walrus
ten years in the click sounds about right
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In court, I would profile her as a confident, at times belligerent employee of the ch seven network
who clearly has control issues (show posts from her social media pages, likes etc),
drawing attention to both Martin' size comparatively speaking and her lazy demeanour that led her to beckon Martin to her area.
"Why couldn't you have gone to him if you were so concerned because Imo, gesturing someone, a loud drunken patron at that, across a crowded room suggests you quite enjoyed the attention both current and ensuing!"
No further questions your Honor .......
Then I'd come back and finish her off
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The age has confirmed the whole investigation will now be a taken over by Vic Police.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/richmond-footballer-dustin-martin-to-be-investigated-by-police-20151210-glkjbt.html
Does this mean the club will now hold back until any charges and convictions are recorded?
Ch 7 news said the AFL has suspended its own investigation given the police investigation takes precedence. They also said the woman when asked said she knows of no police investigation.
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Stupid pricks.
Should have gone to the cops straight away.
Cops " did he touch you?"
Cow -no
Cops - Has he apologised?
Cow -yes
Cops -Dod you fee threatened ?
Cow -yes
Cops - but he's apologised now.Do you still fell threatened?
Cow - no.
Cops - do u wish to press charges for verbal abuse?
Cow - no
Cops - Good. stuff off.
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And the faceless coward will forever be remembered for being a lagging dog, idiot of a thing.
Amen.
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"When he put the chopsticks in his mouth and pretended to be a walrus, the woman beckoned him over, told him diners knew who he was and that he should calm down."
The height of a man...pretending to be a walrus....what on earth is wrong with him. Hang on, that sounds pretty funny. WTF would she take objection to that?
If you google chopstick walrus you will see it is indeed pretty funny
This slag having a go at him for drinking thee shots in a hour wtf.
There are a whole heap of offenders on this tumblr page: https://www.tumblr.com/search/chopstick%20walrus
I think we have uncovered a criminal organisation of which Dusty is a members. These bad asses could put ISIS out of business.
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If just like to point out (I may be old, but
Three shots in an hour, for chapel st, is ...
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If just like to point out (I may be old, but
Three shots in an hour, for chapel st, is ...
not responsible servicing of alcohol.
stuff the stupid pricks hope he sues their sorry arse.
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In court this cow needs to be made to made accountable for her role in events.
Beckoned him over...like a queen lol
What type of sideway sloppy joe, does that?
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I think RFC have played this hand by not accepting the AFL bs sanction, they have sought an independent party to arbitrate, THE LAW, plenty of free legal advice on hand , being a cleanskin with NO record and outstanding character references, any decent lawyer will be able to build a sound defence :police:
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and we all know, you don't have to apologise twice.
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If just like to point out (I may be old, but
Three shots in an hour, for chapel st, is ...
not responsible servicing of alcohol.
stuff the stupid pricks hope he sues their sorry arse.
Attack is best defence tey say ...
Sue everyone
His manager knows some dudes
Footy clubs should Rally around their own like the Anzacs
Just worry about te four walls etc
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i think this illustrates whats wrong with society. Drunk guy(been happening since day dot) gets confronted by a nosey bitch who was clearly watching his movements
then goes back to employer channel 7 who then kindly asks the lass to report it to gain publicity for the network.
Phil Clearly, Batty, then all jump on board the publicity train against violence toward woman. Bock never had tatts, jurrah was an abo and holland was a pretty boy so all bodes well for martin to cop it in his arse.
FO
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The Biggest issue here is, the way in which these femmo cows have a couple of shots and look for trouble, your Honor
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At least will be investigated properly. If Dustin cops a whack so be it & his stupidity will cost our club enormously.
Predictable comment from a long time Dusty hater.
Why are Victoria Police investigating an incident that no one has made a complaint about? What a waste of resources, and the Victoria Police have been complaining loudly and for a long time about lack of resources.
The cops just want to have their moment on the stage of the big Melbourne theatre production named AFL.
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At least will be investigated properly. If Dustin cops a whack so be it & his stupidity will cost our club enormously.
Predictable comment from a long time Dusty hater.
Why are Victoria Police investigating an incident that no one has made a complaint about? What a waste of resources, and the Victoria Police have been complaining loudly and for a long time about lack of resources.
The cops just want to have their moment on the stage of the big Melbourne theatre production named AFL.
You don't think what he did was stupid?
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He needs a good beating to pull him into line
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Chick isn't even a local - a bloody cockroach! Adds another layer of suspicion to her actions/motives.
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Op teams will be in his face about it in 2016.
He's made things tougher for himself.
See how he handles it.
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If the story is true, he might have handled himself better sure.
No one was harmed.
No one was touched.
Exactly how many other incidents in pubs, where no one was harmed, no one was touched, and no one complained, have the Victoria Police investigated lately?
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Chick isn't even a local - a bloody cockroach! Adds another layer of suspicion to her actions/motives.
? what she on the news this "channel 7 presenter"
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How do we know she lied? Why would the AFL hand it over to the Police ad of tonight?
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Richmond footballer Dustin Martin to be investigated by police
Tammy Mills, Caroline Wilson and Rania Spooner
The Age
December 10, 2015 - 6:34PM
Victoria Police are now investigating Richmond footballer Dustin Martin over allegations he threatened to stab a woman with chopsticks at a Melbourne restaurant.
Four days after the allegations were aired by News Corp, then by Channel Seven — the organisation the woman works for — police confirmed to Fairfax Media that they have taken over the investigation.
Victoria Police said in a statement that they are probing reports a woman was threatened by a man at a Chapel Street restaurant about 9.42pm on Saturday.
"The incident was not initially reported to police," a spokeswoman said.
"However, police are now aware of the incident and have identified the victim is a woman from Sydney. The investigation remains ongoing, therefore no further comment will be provided."
The Tigers star, who was reportedly intoxicated after spending the day at Stereosonic music festival, was dining at Windsor restaurant Mr Miyagi on Saturday night.
He allegedly became angry after the 30-year-old woman told him to calm down.
She claimed Martin raised the chopsticks above her eye and threatened to stab her before he slammed his palm against a wall above her head.
"He reacted extremely angrily, very very agitated, began swearing at me, standing over me physically, it was extremely intimidating," the Sydney woman, identified as "Tracey", told Channel Seven.
It is believed the woman first complained to the Richmond Football Club before AFL integrity investigators became involved.
Fairfax Media understands a number of independent witnesses interviewed by the AFL and Richmond prompted the league to refer the matter to police with the view that the matter was better investigated by the state's law enforcers.
It is believed that several witnesses who saw Martin confront the woman have played down what has been reported as a vicious and threatening verbal attack.
Unwilling to take any action against Martin until all the facts had been fully uncovered, the view of Richmond integrity officer Steve Wyatt and Brett Clothier's AFL team was that the prudent option was to place the matter in the hands of police.
Both the AFL and the Tigers refused to comment on Thursday night on the new witness statements but those statements have reportedly placed Martin's behaviour, while still unacceptable, in a more favourable light.
Martin has apologised to the woman.
He said in a statement released by the club late on Monday afternoon: "Regrettably, I was intoxicated and that, in itself, is completely unacceptable.
"I do, however, take responsibility for my behaviour and I am deeply embarrassed.
"If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened, then that is totally inappropriate."
Fairfax Media has been told by sources close to the investigation that closed circuit television footage could not be recovered from the restaurant. The restaurant could not be reached for comment on Thursday.
The head of the AFL Players Association Paul Marsh said earlier on Thursday the group would help Martin through the allegations.
Speaking on the steps of State Parliament to launch the "not on our watch" campaign against violence, Marsh was asked if Martin should receive a tough punishment to send a message that this type of behaviour was unacceptable.
"That issue is still under investigation," Marsh said.
"There is no excuse for violence. In saying that, if we have a player in a situation like Dustin has been alleged of, we will still help and support him. It is about changing behaviours long term."
Anyone with information is urged to call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or submit a report to www.crimestoppersvic.com.
With Richard Willingham
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/richmond-footballer-dustin-martin-to-be-investigated-by-police-20151210-glkjbt.html
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What a crock
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Good let them take over and everyone else f off
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Sounds to me (which doesn't mean much) like the club know that what journos and social media are saying is a bit extreme and they've handed it to the police to try and shut the SJWs up. If there are no charges then they'll slap him on the wrist and punish accordingly.
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The ambush/stitch up on ch 7 won't help the prosecution case :shh
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where the hell is mightytiges view on this? Gone missing like RFCO
MT any comments?
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i think this illustrates whats wrong with society. Drunk guy(been happening since day dot) gets confronted by a nosey bitch who was clearly watching his movements
then goes back to employer channel 7 who then kindly asks the lass to report it to gain publicity for the network.
Phil Clearly, Batty, then all jump on board the publicity train against violence toward woman. Bock never had tatts, jurrah was an abo and holland was a pretty boy so all bodes well for martin to cop it in his arse.
FO
:clapping Yep, this is on point.
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que sera sera what ever will be will be. The futures not ours to see que sera sera.
Funny thread. People slashing their wrists about something they have no control over. No comment here im just gunna sit back and enjoy the blood letting.
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que sera sera what ever will be will be. The futures not ours to see que sera sera.
Funny thread. People slashing their wrists about something they have no control over. No comment here im just gunna sit back and enjoy the blood letting.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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que sera sera what ever will be will be. The futures not ours to see que sera sera.
Funny thread. People slashing their wrists about something they have no control over. No comment here im just gunna sit back and enjoy the blood letting.
hmmm. Always knew you were a werido, but didnt know the extent of it.
Also, what about all your "ffs" and ":banghead :banghead" over the years? Where you "slashing your wrists" then?
Or do you have control over list management at the club?
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que sera sera what ever will be will be. The futures not ours to see que sera sera.
Funny thread. People slashing their wrists about something they have no control over. No comment here im just gunna sit back and enjoy the blood letting.
hmmm. Always knew you were a werido, but didnt know the extent of it.
Also, what about all your "ffs" and ":banghead :banghead" over the years? Where you "slashing your wrists" then?
Or do you have control over list management at the club?
he used to
he's greg miller
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We appreciate this is an emotive topic and that people are angry for various reasons
We've let a lot go on this thread. And please don't insult my intelligence but suggesting we haven't.
But please can we stick to commenting on the "facts" that are currently available and in the public domain
Keep rumours and innuendo of this forum.
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i'm running with, ' Hypotheticals '
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it's a pretty funny thread :snidegrin
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i'm running with, ' Hypotheticals '
Some people clearly aren't and that's my issue
it's a pretty funny thread :snidegrin
Staggering yes, funny can't say I share your humour on this one darls
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Dustin Martin to continue training with Richmond while Police investigate Chapel St incident
Michael Warner
Herald Sun
December 10, 2015 8:00pm
DUSTIN Martin will continue to train with Richmond until Victoria Police completes its investigation into last Saturday night’s Chapel St restaurant incident.
Martin will travel to Queensland with his Tigers teammates for next week’s pre-season camp in Palm Cove.
All parties believe it would be unfair to impose a penalty on the star midfielder until the police investigation has concluded.
AFL integrity unit investigators took a formal statement from the woman at the centre of the allegations on Thursday before deciding to refer the matter to police.
The Channel 7 staffer alleges Martin, 24, threatened to stab her with a chopstick at the Mr Miyagi eatery in St Kilda at about 9.42pm on Saturday.
She will give her version of events to police on Friday.
The AFL Players’ Association said on Thursday it would “help and support” Martin through the investigation.
Asked on Thursday whether Martin should be slapped with a heavy penalty to send a strong message to the community, AFLPA chief Paul Marsh said: “That issue is still under investigation. There is no excuse for violence.
“In saying that, if we have a player in a situation like Dustin has been alleged of, we will still help and support him. It is about changing behaviours long term.”
Marsh and star Geelong recruit Patrick Dangerfield on Thursday took part in an anti-violence rally on the steps of State Parliament.
“What’s been reported is really disappointing — Dustin’s actions are really disappointing,” Dangerfield said.
“Richmond have put that across in a media release, obviously. But at the moment, it’s still very much being investigated. So until we know all the facts, we can’t really hang someone out to dry.”
Fallen footy star Brendan Fevola warned Martin was at a major crossroad in his life.
“It’s not about footy now, it’s about the club finding something with counselling especially on violence against women, but not just that,” Fevola told SEN.
“There’s got to be something else going on — I know Dusty so it’s hard for me to talk about it a little bit, but there’s an underlining problem with him and he needs to address that.
“I didn’t realise what was happening with me until I opened up about things and then you’ve got to source help.
“The only one that can help Dusty is him and he needs to help himself.
“My footy career ended because of misdemeanours off the field and it doesn’t matter how good of a player you are, and he’s a good player.
“If I had my head on my shoulders when I was playing footy I’d probably still be playing.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-to-continue-training-with-richmond-while-police-investigate-chapel-st-incident/news-story/e637398ba108b707c36c31012416a9cc
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What a crock
Overall, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
Chopsticks should never have been dragged through the mud like this.
I'm taking a pair to bed with the missus to try and repair their reputation ;D
Hope I don't spill the chop suey on the bedsheets :snidegrin
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it's a pretty funny thread :snidegrin
#standbydusty.
The thing is x what would we say if it was say a Conca who did it.
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we'd say the same thing, just wouldn't have the same level of care because conca has a fat gut
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Probably just a troll...but anyway.....
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-94#post-42284910
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-94#post-42285133
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Come on fellas. It's not about whether you lot think it's a big deal or not, it's that the present day AFL machine will freakin jump up and down about it. Luke it or lump it, the club is a part of that PC world and it has no choice but to come down hard on him. If it fails to, the implications with sponsorships etc. would me massive. It's not the 60's or country footy. Image is critical.
The person I am most disappointed with in all of this is Dusty himself. Seriously, the club gives him plenty of rope to play up and carry on like a pork chop on weekends. All he had to do was not threaten to stab a chick in public. Dumb stuffer.
Honestly everyone can get stuffed. Go support someone else. Absolutely pathetic Richmond support on this thread. All in the name of being politically correct.. stuff me.
Take a trip on the Werribee train line, this happens every... single... day and is recorded.. nothing is done about it. 'Kill Yourself' is the latest 'fad' on social media. Look up any weird YouTube clip, its all over it. In this case just add chopsticks. Police are now involved, what a load of rubbish. A drunken death threat. Please.
Rosie Batty case and point, goes to police to report multiple child abuse examples. Nothing is done. Yet the media want to run with this story day after day. You are all fools. Shame on you all for supporting the punishment of this. Politically correct yes it's the wrong thing, well good on you for being politically correct. Anyone taken a step back to give a stuff about Dustin Martin? Anyone want to think of why he acts the way he does, why he has a drinking problem? How is he feeling? Don't tell me the woman is traumatised. Don't you dare tell me that.
Simply put this is another AFL footy player who has made a mistake being hung drawn and quartered by the media. Not just any AFL player but a very fragile one. A seriously fragile one. When Dusty commits suicide next week over all of this will you give a stuff? Who will be accountable when this happens? You idiots for wanting him hung drawn and quartered and the rest of the media I'll be pointing at. Get a grip.
Is Channel 7 out there in King Street pressing charges against people who abuse others physically or verbally every single night? No. Get stuffed. Are they at schools pressing charges against bullies who tell teenagers to 'kill themselves' and mentally disintegrate low self esteem kids? No. What a load of rubbish this all is. Why not? Because its a story, 70k members are automatically locked into interest and we have idiots on here that have fuelled it. Well done.
I stand by Dusty, made a mistake, get him counselling and actually fix the issue that has been ongoing for a long time instead of calling for his head and bloody jail time for Gods sake. RFC need to take responsibility in this. They've allowed Dusty to live an extravagant life and in all honesty has slightly worked but anyone could have seen that it was a huge risk. Just as it would have been to ban him from this lifestyle completely, he'd possibly have given the game away by now. Who knows. RFC can't was their hands of this.
But yeah Willy and the rest of you cotton wool fools, lets sack him, lets hung him out to dry, sack Jack Riewoldt too for running away from media, sack them all. Lets enjoy another 30 years of absolute horse pee. At least at the end of the day we can all pat ourselves on the back for being 'politically correct'...
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Have you ever been molested or raped or know of people that have? I certainly have met them and they are seriously scarred for life.
Really, you've met all of them? Not everyone is as scarred by this sort of stuff as you're trying to make out.
Where did I say I met ALL of them? Are you an expert on the mental trauma associated with rape or molestation? I very much doubt it. And even if only 10% are (and the number is much much greater than that), should we not care about these people and their anguish? Seriously?
Where did I say I was an expert? Don't you think everyone would react differently and I'd put all my money on me knowing about it more than you.
I'm not sure if your comprehension level is adequate enough to have a discussion. I ASKED if you were an expert. I never stated you were. You on the other hand queried me by saying "Really, you've met all of them?", when I never ever indicated I had. I just said I have met people that have experienced this type of mental trauma. And you'd lose all of your money because you obviously show no empathy towards these people. If you were someone who actually worked in the area, you would display empathy. And if you worked in the area and showed this level of empathy, I'd be very sorry for your patients.
Are you thick? I gave the exact same response to your question as you gave to mine yet you question my comprehension?
Get off your high horse, not everything has to do with doctors and patients. I'm sure someone who has had real life experience with it would have a much better understanding than some PCA. Also, just because I said not everyone is scarred by it like you were inferring does not mean I have no empathy for them. You were trying to belittle Stalin by implying at least the majority of rape victims would take offence to what he wrote because he made a reference to prison rape. Fact is not many would.
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I'd suggest going to prison and being raped by fellow inmates is a fate many victims of sexual assault hope will befall their attackers.
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Another Big Footy munchkin with a supposed scoop...although this time it's one of ours....
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-99#post-42286228
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-100#post-42286437
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-100#post-42286441
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-100#post-42286446
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-100#post-42286453
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-101#post-42286458
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-seeing-red-after-drunken-punchup-20151209-glk0dr.html
Don't worry ladies, no women were sworn at or traumatised so put your white ribbons away...nothing to see here.... :shh
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Bump
There's a number of elements to all this which are truly bizaar.
God knows where this is heading. By the end of the week, who knows what the hell will be going on.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-seeing-red-after-drunken-punchup-20151209-glk0dr.html
Don't worry ladies, no women were sworn at or traumatised so put your white ribbons away...nothing to see here.... :shh
There inlies the biggest problem most have with this stupid thing. Dusty would have been better off knocking a bloke out in that restaurant than yelling at some self righteous producer
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-100#post-42286437
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-100#post-42286441
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-100#post-42286446
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-100#post-42286453
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-101#post-42286458
The police can only investigate this matter if the complainant makes a statement to the Police. If she has then Dustin will be interviewed by the police. I hope for the club and Dustin's sake she has not made a statement to the police.
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Another Big Footy munchkin with a supposed scoop...although this time it's one of ours....
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-99#post-42286228
Thanks for all the research mate! :thumbsup
The snapchat footage, ambiguous though it may be, didn't show anything that appeared imposing or overly intimidating whatsoever.
Unfortunately, its likely a lot of this first hand evidence won't come out in the wash. If he technically threatened and stood over her then that's all that counts, even if she did incite it.
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At least will be investigated properly. If Dustin cops a whack so be it & his stupidity will cost our club enormously.
Predictable comment from a long time Dusty hater.
Why are Victoria Police investigating an incident that no one has made a complaint about? What a waste of resources, and the Victoria Police have been complaining loudly and for a long time about lack of resources.
The cops just want to have their moment on the stage of the big Melbourne theatre production named AFL.
I don't hate Martin but I do think he's an idiot for putting our club in this predicament whatever the outcome of this investigation.
Might surprise you but so does his employer.
That said I am very pleased that the police are investigating because it will get to the bottom of the issue and put to bed the media scrutiny that has been out of control without all the facts at hand.
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Triple M reporting this morning along the lines of what Diocletian posted that witnesses are coming forward with eyewitness statements contrary to the woman's and in support of Dusty.
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Triple M reporting this morning along the lines of what Diocletian posted that witnesses are coming forward with eyewitness statements contrary to the woman's and in support of Dusty.
:clapping
I'm not sure what the outcome of this situation will be but it's clear to me that there is more to this story than what the media are reporting. I honestly feel like Dustin could have been targeted and the media and public alike have hung him out to dry because of his reputation and appearance.
Also dissapointed in the PC Wankers on here who have been so quick to torch our own with knowing all the facts.
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If this is the case then she should be charged with defamation.
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I always thought that you were deemed innocent until proven guilty.
Patrick Smith and KB busily handing out 1 year suspensions and 50K fines
effing flog sticks.
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Triple M reporting this morning along the lines of what Diocletian posted that witnesses are coming forward with eyewitness statements contrary to the woman's and in support of Dusty.
:clapping
I'm not sure what the outcome of this situation will be but it's clear to me that there is more to this story than what the media are reporting. I honestly feel like Dustin could have been targeted and the media and public alike have hung him out to dry because of his reputation and appearance.
Also dissapointed in the PC Wankers on here who have been so quick to torch our own with knowing all the facts.
X2 very happy this has now been referred to Vic pol.
KB and Smith can go ead, sensationalist wankers
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Why is th front page of the Hun 'sayonara dusty'
I've grown used to the Muslim-hate propaganda rubbish that loo paper crap dishes out on a daily basis
The anti dusty propaganda crap is a new one
Bizarre vendetta. Good thing they didn't publish a story on the 150000 children that die from preventable causes since chopstickgate. Wouldn't want to dabble in the realm of news
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Triple M reporting this morning along the lines of what Diocletian posted that witnesses are coming forward with eyewitness statements contrary to the woman's and in support of Dusty.
Funny I thought Caro wrote exactly the same yesterday when the Age reported the AFL had handed the case over the Police
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So a Carlton player has actually physically assaulted someone,,,,,,,,,punishment?
Hmmmm .....let's see .... Um
Apologise to teammates...sounds fair!
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Honestly everyone can get stuffed. Go support someone else. Absolutely pathetic Richmond support on this thread. All in the name of being politically correct.. stuff me.
Why because people dare to suggest his behaviour was stupid? I will the let the investigation take its course to see to what degree the "allegations" are proved to be correct.
There is no disputing the fact he was out drunk; so drunk he's admitted he can't actually remembered what happened and he was involved in something. What exactly? Hopefully in the next few days we will have some idea
But he should be punished for being an idiot....
Should he be sacked? No; have never said that
But if it was a player that wasn't popular many on here would be calling for that players head.
If it was a player from another club, the majority on here would be tearing shreads off said opposition player, their club and demanding they be suspended
Look at the examples of players that Ox posted other day. eveything single one them highlight the obivous and that was the lack of action by the AFL and their respective clubs wasn't good enough - I am not disputing that for a minute
Take a trip on the Werribee train line, this happens every... single... day and is recorded.. nothing is done about it.
And you know this how exactly? Stupid comment
Rosie Batty case and point, goes to police to report multiple child abuse examples. Nothing is done. Yet the media want to run with this story day after day.
And have you ever thought why? Answer's obvious I would have thought. Actually you've answered it yourself - because nothing was done, the system failed and an innocent kid got basehd with a cricket bat by his father...do you have any idea how common this sort of stuff is
Have you ever sat across a table from someone nursing a black eye because their partner while plastered used them as a punching bag because they had; had a bad day?
Guess what I have
That's why this is such an issue now because it isn't get swept under the carpet as much these days.
The one thing IMHO the media gets wrong is the focus, they appear to keep most of the focus on violence against women but it should be violence full stop. The shouldn't forget the children, the elderly or the men that get abused by their partners as well
You are all fools. Shame on you all for supporting the punishment of this. Politically correct yes it's the wrong thing, well good on you for being politically correct.
Sorry I am not a fool. And no I am not "politcally correct". What I am is anti violence agaisnt anyone, gender is not and will never relevant. And violence includes the verbal and it includes the physical.
I've whacked the media for the way this all came about and I've said it is was disgraceful.
Anyone taken a step back to give a stuff about Dustin Martin? Anyone want to think of why he acts the way he does, why he has a drinking problem? How is he feeling?
Yeahh actually i have that's why I was pleased to hear his Dad had flown down to Melb straight away.
Dusty is a good bloke when he doesn't get on the turps. But at 24 he needs to grow up and I don't think I am on the only person who'd be saying this
If he has a problem with the grog then he has to want to help himself, the club, you, me or anyone else can't do it for him. all we can do is support him and I'd do that no question
Don't tell me the woman is traumatised. Don't you dare tell me that.
Guess what I am not going to tell you that. I whacked her on day one when I asked why if she was so disgusted, upset with what took place she didn't go to the cops then. My concern isn't for her it is for our footy club
I stand by Dusty, made a mistake, get him counselling and actually fix the issue that has been ongoing for a long time instead of calling for his head and bloody jail time for Gods sake. RFC need to take responsibility in this. They've allowed Dusty to live an extravagant life and in all honesty has slightly worked but anyone could have seen that it was a huge risk. Just as it would have been to ban him from this lifestyle completely, he'd possibly have given the game away by now. Who knows. RFC can't was their hands of this.
Yes the Club need to take responsility for some of this but you miss a very important point and that is at 24 Dusty needs to start taking some responsibility for his actions. Get his priorities right.... he's allowed to go out have a good time. But going out and getting smashed when you are only back and getting into pre-season isn't exactly smart
You say (or I think what you meant was) the club can't wash their hands of this; well either can Dusty.
But yeah Willy and the rest of you cotton wool fools, lets sack him, lets hung him out to dry, sack Jack Riewoldt too for running away from media, sack them all. Lets enjoy another 30 years of absolute horse pee. At least at the end of the day we can all pat ourselves on the back for being 'politically correct'...
I have not seen one post from Willy saying he should be sacked, just like I haven't suggested it. For memory I can only remember seeing one post advocating sacking. I don't think saying he did the wrong thing and should be punished for it is hanging him out to dry. I reckon it is calling him out for what he did and thats an incredibly moronic thing.
Will repeat if it was number of other players on our list in this suituation you and so many others would want them out the door; so please don't get selective with applying standards.
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They are a FOOTBALL club
What would you have them do?
That you have to ask I think sums up your stance on this I suppose
If you think going around threatening people is OK, then that's your choice
But it isn't and to try and justify the clubs lack of action by comparing this to what other clubs have done or not done is a cop out
2 wrongs don't make a right
Someone should have faced the media by now rather than allowing all and sundry to crucify not only the player involved but our club as well
Football clubs are the ones which teach life lessons are they?
I thought they were focused on football. And left the life lessons to the authorities of the state or church
Hate to break this to you but yeah one of the many places you learn life lessons is the workplace, just like we all did at school, like we do at home
And we are talking about his workplace and they have a responsibility here
Don't impose your beliefs on others. One works to get paid. Whatever your parents taught you on top of that is lovely but let's not go nuts
I heard about a man who work place was to shoot Africans as a contractor. (Legally . What life lessons did he lean in the workplace?
Another in an abattoir. I'm sure he's stoked or eh life lessons he gets taught daily
How about your average joe stacking boxes for Safeway? Life lessons galore, no doubt. Tim tam afficinado
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Honestly everyone can get stuffed. Go support someone else. Absolutely pathetic Richmond support on this thread. All in the name of being politically correct.. stuff me.
Why because people dare to suggest his behaviour was stupid? I will the let the investigation take its course to see to what degree the "allegations" are proved to be correct.
There is no disputing the fact he was out drunk; so drunk he's admitted he can't actually remembered what happened and he was involved in something. What exactly? Hopefully in the next few days we will have some idea
But he should be punished for being an idiot....
Should he be sacked? No; have never said that
But if it was a player that wasn't popular many on here would be calling for that players head.
If it was a player from another club, the majority on here would be tearing shreads off said opposition player, their club and demanding they be suspended
Look at the examples of players that Ox posted other day. eveything single one them highlight the obivous and that was the lack of action by the AFL and their respective clubs wasn't good enough - I am not disputing that for a minute
Take a trip on the Werribee train line, this happens every... single... day and is recorded.. nothing is done about it.
And you know this how exactly? Stupid comment
Rosie Batty case and point, goes to police to report multiple child abuse examples. Nothing is done. Yet the media want to run with this story day after day.
And have you ever thought why? Answer's obvious I would have thought. Actually you've answered it yourself - because nothing was done, the system failed and an innocent kid got basehd with a cricket bat by his father...do you have any idea how common this sort of stuff is
Have you ever sat across a table from someone nursing a black eye because their partner while plastered used them as a punching bag because they had; had a bad day?
Guess what I have
That's why this is such an issue now because it isn't get swept under the carpet as much these days.
The one thing IMHO the media gets wrong is the focus, they appear to keep most of the focus on violence against women but it should be violence full stop. The shouldn't forget the children, the elderly or the men that get abused by their partners as well
You are all fools. Shame on you all for supporting the punishment of this. Politically correct yes it's the wrong thing, well good on you for being politically correct.
Sorry I am not a fool. And no I am not "politcally correct". What I am is anti violence agaisnt anyone, gender is not and will never relevant. And violence includes the verbal and it includes the physical.
I've whacked the media for the way this all came about and I've said it is was disgraceful.
Anyone taken a step back to give a stuff about Dustin Martin? Anyone want to think of why he acts the way he does, why he has a drinking problem? How is he feeling?
Yeahh actually i have that's why I was pleased to hear his Dad had flown down to Melb straight away.
Dusty is a good bloke when he doesn't get on the turps. But at 24 he needs to grow up and I don't think I am on the only person who'd be saying this
If he has a problem with the grog then he has to want to help himself, the club, you, me or anyone else can't do it for him. all we can do is support him and I'd do that no question
Don't tell me the woman is traumatised. Don't you dare tell me that.
Guess what I am not going to tell you that. I whacked her on day one when I asked why if she was so disgusted, upset with what took place she didn't go to the cops then. My concern isn't for her it is for our footy club
I stand by Dusty, made a mistake, get him counselling and actually fix the issue that has been ongoing for a long time instead of calling for his head and bloody jail time for Gods sake. RFC need to take responsibility in this. They've allowed Dusty to live an extravagant life and in all honesty has slightly worked but anyone could have seen that it was a huge risk. Just as it would have been to ban him from this lifestyle completely, he'd possibly have given the game away by now. Who knows. RFC can't was their hands of this.
Yes the Club need to take responsility for some of this but you miss a very important point and that is at 24 Dusty needs to start taking some responsibility for his actions. Get his priorities right.... he's allowed to go out have a good time. But going out and getting smashed when you are only back and getting into pre-season isn't exactly smart
You say (or I think what you meant was) the club can't wash their hands of this; well either can Dusty.
But yeah Willy and the rest of you cotton wool fools, lets sack him, lets hung him out to dry, sack Jack Riewoldt too for running away from media, sack them all. Lets enjoy another 30 years of absolute horse pee. At least at the end of the day we can all pat ourselves on the back for being 'politically correct'...
I have not seen one post from Willy saying he should be sacked, just like I haven't suggested it. For memory I can only remember seeing one post advocating sacking. I don't think saying he did the wrong thing and should be punished for it is hanging him out to dry. I reckon it is calling him out for what he did and thats an incredibly moronic thing.
Will repeat if it was number of other players on our list in this suituation you and so many others would want them out the door; so please don't get selective with applying standards.
When was the last time you were on a train in a lower socio economic area?
Hang around dandy station for a while and see how long in takes to get threatened
Your moral crusade is quite touching but let's keep in mind , as far as I know dusty not smashed anyone with a cricket bat. You are flying off an a non relevant tangent. He's a bloke that didn touch a lady. As much as you'd like it to be symbolic of societies long standing issues.
For mine the footy club can worry about footy and the police can worry about police things. They are people not superheros. As flawed and you or I.as has been pontes out there are dozens or worst acts, by fellow afl people that seemingly go very lightly punished
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If it was dud player, I wouldn't give a fk.
However, I'd still think she was a lagging cow who was looking for attention and the player deserved
better.
If u can't see she is a troublemaking who're bag cow idiot, WP........
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If this is the case then she should be charged with defamation.
RSA too
The place should get done
How dare they continue to serve the customer fine Japanese spirts when he's on the verge I acting like a walrus
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Chopsticks have feelings too, guys.
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Just heard dusty is a partner in the joint.
If true lmao
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Just heard dusty is a partner in the joint.
If true lmao
Oh boy
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Why because people dare to suggest his behaviour was stupid? I will the let the investigation take its course to see to what degree the "allegations" are proved to be correct.
WP with the Police investigating the matter it will simply be a matter of whether they have sufficient evidence to lay charge/s against Dustin. Whether the allegations are made out is a matter for a Court to decide. If Dustin's memory of the incident has been affected by his alcohol consumption then it calls into question the reliability of his evidence and makes it harder to attack the reliability of the complainant's evidence. I hope for Dustin's sake witnesses come forward to corroborate that he did not behave in the way alleged. It would be wise for Dustin to not make any statements about the matter to the media and if interviewed by the Police to consider exercising his right to silence. Some very serious criminal offences could be laid if the police pursue this matter including but not limited to threat to inflict a serious injury.
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Honestly everyone can get stuffed. Go support someone else. Absolutely pathetic Richmond support on this thread. All in the name of being politically correct.. stuff me.
Why because people dare to suggest his behaviour was stupid? I will the let the investigation take its course to see to what degree the "allegations" are proved to be correct.
There is no disputing the fact he was out drunk; so drunk he's admitted he can't actually remembered what happened and he was involved in something. What exactly? Hopefully in the next few days we will have some idea
But he should be punished for being an idiot....
Should he be sacked? No; have never said that
But if it was a player that wasn't popular many on here would be calling for that players head.
If it was a player from another club, the majority on here would be tearing shreads off said opposition player, their club and demanding they be suspended
Look at the examples of players that Ox posted other day. eveything single one them highlight the obivous and that was the lack of action by the AFL and their respective clubs wasn't good enough - I am not disputing that for a minute
Take a trip on the Werribee train line, this happens every... single... day and is recorded.. nothing is done about it.
And you know this how exactly? Stupid comment
Rosie Batty case and point, goes to police to report multiple child abuse examples. Nothing is done. Yet the media want to run with this story day after day.
And have you ever thought why? Answer's obvious I would have thought. Actually you've answered it yourself - because nothing was done, the system failed and an innocent kid got basehd with a cricket bat by his father...do you have any idea how common this sort of stuff is
Have you ever sat across a table from someone nursing a black eye because their partner while plastered used them as a punching bag because they had; had a bad day?
Guess what I have
That's why this is such an issue now because it isn't get swept under the carpet as much these days.
The one thing IMHO the media gets wrong is the focus, they appear to keep most of the focus on violence against women but it should be violence full stop. The shouldn't forget the children, the elderly or the men that get abused by their partners as well
You are all fools. Shame on you all for supporting the punishment of this. Politically correct yes it's the wrong thing, well good on you for being politically correct.
Sorry I am not a fool. And no I am not "politcally correct". What I am is anti violence agaisnt anyone, gender is not and will never relevant. And violence includes the verbal and it includes the physical.
I've whacked the media for the way this all came about and I've said it is was disgraceful.
Anyone taken a step back to give a stuff about Dustin Martin? Anyone want to think of why he acts the way he does, why he has a drinking problem? How is he feeling?
Yeahh actually i have that's why I was pleased to hear his Dad had flown down to Melb straight away.
Dusty is a good bloke when he doesn't get on the turps. But at 24 he needs to grow up and I don't think I am on the only person who'd be saying this
If he has a problem with the grog then he has to want to help himself, the club, you, me or anyone else can't do it for him. all we can do is support him and I'd do that no question
Don't tell me the woman is traumatised. Don't you dare tell me that.
Guess what I am not going to tell you that. I whacked her on day one when I asked why if she was so disgusted, upset with what took place she didn't go to the cops then. My concern isn't for her it is for our footy club
I stand by Dusty, made a mistake, get him counselling and actually fix the issue that has been ongoing for a long time instead of calling for his head and bloody jail time for Gods sake. RFC need to take responsibility in this. They've allowed Dusty to live an extravagant life and in all honesty has slightly worked but anyone could have seen that it was a huge risk. Just as it would have been to ban him from this lifestyle completely, he'd possibly have given the game away by now. Who knows. RFC can't was their hands of this.
Yes the Club need to take responsility for some of this but you miss a very important point and that is at 24 Dusty needs to start taking some responsibility for his actions. Get his priorities right.... he's allowed to go out have a good time. But going out and getting smashed when you are only back and getting into pre-season isn't exactly smart
You say (or I think what you meant was) the club can't wash their hands of this; well either can Dusty.
But yeah Willy and the rest of you cotton wool fools, lets sack him, lets hung him out to dry, sack Jack Riewoldt too for running away from media, sack them all. Lets enjoy another 30 years of absolute horse pee. At least at the end of the day we can all pat ourselves on the back for being 'politically correct'...
I have not seen one post from Willy saying he should be sacked, just like I haven't suggested it. For memory I can only remember seeing one post advocating sacking. I don't think saying he did the wrong thing and should be punished for it is hanging him out to dry. I reckon it is calling him out for what he did and thats an incredibly moronic thing.
Will repeat if it was number of other players on our list in this suituation you and so many others would want them out the door; so please don't get selective with applying standards.
Now here is where I get genuinely upset. Violence happens to men and women every day all over the world. NO violence was committed in this case. The threat of violence is a claim. We haven't been told if this was a verbal threat or a perceived threat due to body language or if it even happened. We know sweet FA and so we cannot judge. This little campaign that is running at the moment is all well and good but I would still like to point out that it does not give anyone the right to paint all men with the one brush use one case to judge another. Each case is a separate issue. The media are also prone to being total poos when it comes to setting people up and trying to get a rise out of them, take "today tonight" or the other idiot versions as an example where you have these bastards provoking every half wit, unfortunate, or anyone without the social graces to defend themselves without lashing out. It is their stock in trade. They dine out on sensationalism. The other issue is that at Dustin's age, if he was violent to Women, a pattern would of emerged long before this. This is just cynical opportunism. Why would she pick a fight and then complain about the conflict? It is bewildering.
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They can charge him with murder and it wouldn't stick,
Just as none of the 'serious criminal of offences" won't.
Lmao at media mentioning the maximum sentence of ten years
BEFORE a charge has been made.
F k. N wanketes.
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Now here is where I get genuinely upset. Violence happens to men and women every day all over the world. NO violence was committed in this case. The threat of violence is a claim. We haven't been told if this was a verbal threat or a perceived threat due to body language or if it even happened. We know sweet FA and so we cannot judge. This little campaign that is running at the moment is all well and good but I would still like to point out that it does not give anyone the right to paint all men with the one brush use one case to judge another. Each case is a separate issue. The media are also prone to being total poos when it comes to setting people up and trying to get a rise out of them, take "today tonight" or the other idiot versions as an example where you have these bastards provoking every half wit, unfortunate, or anyone without the social graces to defend themselves without lashing out. It is their stock in trade. They dine out on sensationalism. The other issue is that at Dustin's age, if he was violent to Women, a pattern would of emerged long before this. This is just cynical opportunism. Why would she pick a fight and then complain about the conflict? It is bewildering.
While understand your angst and the points you raise Owl
Couple of points if I may
Firstly, you said "Violence happens to men and women every day all over the world" and I absolutely agree with you and more importantly I am glad you said men & women, because this effects both genders... this seems to get lost far too much
Secondly, verbally lashing out at someone is a form of violence/abuse. Granted it is not physical but it is a form of violence none the less. I get that many people will say no it isn't but violence doesn't have to be physical. Clearly you and alot of folks on this forum don't see it that way and that's your choice
Although there appears to be conflicting reports surfacing now the cops are involved as to what was said, what were the physical actions were (if any) there doesn't appear to be any dispute at this time that he verbally abused the woman. Now we can argue, go around in circles to a degree and have our views on whether the woman deserved it or not but I don't think right now as it stands anyone is suggesting he didn't do that.. maybe I'm reading that wrong...
I posted the other day and the silence was deafening to be honest but I asked the following
"How would people feel if it was their partner, parents, kids who came home and told you that this had happened to them. Don't think there is too many of us who would say you should have minded your own business, laughed it off or said you deserved it "bitch"."
I get that I am in the minority here but I still think his actions on the night were stupid
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Please.
I will raise my kids not to approach anyone who is drunk especially on a saturday night. I will then ask they dont watch their every move then feel you need to say something.
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When was the last time you were on a train in a lower socio economic area?
I take it your are referring to my comment about Werribee station?
I live out that way so I am well aware of the problems, what goes on.
Actually had a family member involved in an incident a couple of weeks ago but I wont go into the details as I am sure people will just say as she & her son weren't physically harmed it's nothing and they probably deserved it. She reported it to the cops by the way
My "Stupid comment" was in relation the bit I've got highlighted in bold
"Take a trip on the Werribee train line, this happens every... single... day and is recorded.. nothing is done about it."
Your moral crusade is quite touching but let's keep in mind , as far as I know dusty not smashed anyone with a cricket bat. You are flying off an a non relevant tangent. He's a bloke that didn touch a lady. As much as you'd like it to be symbolic of societies long standing issues.
My moral crusade? Please.... I don't think believing that treating people with respect and not advocating violence is a moral crusade. I didn't bring up Rosie Battie - others have. I was responding to that. Why did Pope bring her into his post? Using your logic Pope was "flying off on a non relevant tangent". Unless of course "non relevant tangents" don't apply if one is defending and praising Dusty's behaviour
For mine the footy club can worry about footy and the police can worry about police things. They are people not superheros. As flawed and you or I.as has been pontes out there are dozens or worst acts, by fellow afl people that seemingly go very lightly punished
And I said(if you bothered to actually read what I wrote) that I believe that the actions taken against other players (you know ox's long list) highlights how badly and poorly the AFL & their Clubs handled those situations. They got off lightly
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Violence indeed happens to both genders.
The most common is male violence against other men.
Interestingly i was told the other day that the highest rate of domestic violence was female against female. I didnt believe it but i found studies which have indicated this.
http://www.advocate.com/crime/2014/09/04/2-studies-prove-domestic-violence-lgbt-issue
Point being, as humans a certain proportion of the population are poo people irrespective of gender and other categories. It's an issue which crosses all parts of society.
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Please.
I will raise my kids not to approach anyone who is drunk especially on a saturday night. I will then ask they dont watch their every move then feel you need to say something.
gee how comforting...
So if your wife came home after a night out with some friends and told you some drunken yobo had been carrying on like a goose and she asked them to keep it down and they came over abused her, threatened her you'd tell her she should have minded her own business and she deserved it?
Or if your someone from your family was the train home and some drug head just out of the blue picked them out and started abusing and threatening them for no reason and they told you about it would you say they deserve that too?
Violence indeed happens to both genders.
The most common is male violence against other men.
Interestingly i was told the other day that the highest rate of domestic violence was female against female. I didnt believe it but i found studies which have indicated this.
http://www.advocate.com/crime/2014/09/04/2-studies-prove-domestic-violence-lgbt-issue
Point being, as humans a certain proportion of the population are poo people irrespective of gender and other categories. It's an issue which crosses all parts of society.
Good point Dooks, I heard about those numbers myself. Can say I wasn't surprised by the male on male stat but the female against female did surprise me
Your last sentence nails it for mine
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"Secondly, verbally lashing out at someone is a form of violence/abuse. Granted it is not physical but it is a form of violence none the less. I get that many people will say no it isn't but violence doesn't have to be physical. Clearly you and alot of folks on this forum don't see it that way and that's your choice "
The MCG is home to how many acts of violence per week, then?
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Martin was forced into a confrontation with a moron.
He said the wrong thing because he's a idiot.
She's a bitch and she can go stuff herself
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Players need to have their lawyers in the crowd so they can allege they were subjected to verbal violence.
That's what we need.
The world will be so cool then.
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Now here is where I get genuinely upset. Violence happens to men and women every day all over the world. NO violence was committed in this case. The threat of violence is a claim. We haven't been told if this was a verbal threat or a perceived threat due to body language or if it even happened. We know sweet FA and so we cannot judge. This little campaign that is running at the moment is all well and good but I would still like to point out that it does not give anyone the right to paint all men with the one brush use one case to judge another. Each case is a separate issue. The media are also prone to being total poos when it comes to setting people up and trying to get a rise out of them, take "today tonight" or the other idiot versions as an example where you have these bastards provoking every half wit, unfortunate, or anyone without the social graces to defend themselves without lashing out. It is their stock in trade. They dine out on sensationalism. The other issue is that at Dustin's age, if he was violent to Women, a pattern would of emerged long before this. This is just cynical opportunism. Why would she pick a fight and then complain about the conflict? It is bewildering.
While understand your angst and the points you raise Owl
Couple of points if I may
Firstly, you said "Violence happens to men and women every day all over the world" and I absolutely agree with you and more importantly I am glad you said men & women, because this effects both genders... this seems to get lost far too much
Secondly, verbally lashing out at someone is a form of violence/abuse. Granted it is not physical but it is a form of violence none the less. I get that many people will say no it isn't but violence doesn't have to be physical. Clearly you and alot of folks on this forum don't see it that way and that's your choice
Although there appears to be conflicting reports surfacing now the cops are involved as to what was said, what were the physical actions were (if any) there doesn't appear to be any dispute at this time that he verbally abused the woman. Now we can argue, go around in circles to a degree and have our views on whether the woman deserved it or not but I don't think right now as it stands anyone is suggesting he didn't do that.. maybe I'm reading that wrong...
I posted the other day and the silence was deafening to be honest but I asked the following
"How would people feel if it was their partner, parents, kids who came home and told you that this had happened to them. Don't think there is too many of us who would say you should have minded your own business, laughed it off or said you deserved it "bitch"."
I get that I am in the minority here but I still think his actions on the night were stupid
of course they were stupid
Big difference between stupid and criminal
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Wow Dusty been doing a bit of drinking & some mental abusing :snidegrin Doubt the cops will charge him, Maybe give him a little advice. Fine by the club & that be done & dusted ;D Be stupid to suspend him in any way or form as their has been alot worse happen in the AFL & nothing was done. My Advise is ;D If you are loaded & loaded in the pockets. Their will be plenty keeping a eye on you to make a few quick bucks on your mistakes & a few moments of media glory. Don't go out when your drunk if your a star. :snidegrin :santa
:gotigers
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"How would people feel if it was their partner, parents, kids who came home and told you that this had happened to them. Don't think there is too many of us who would say you should have minded your own business, laughed it off or said you deserved it "bitch"."
I get that I am in the minority here but I still think his actions on the night were stupid
TBH if my daughters came home and told me they asked a drunk man to be quiet I would have told them that that was a very stupid thing to do. Drunk people do not understand reason. There is no point confronting them as long as you have a choice not to. If a drunk person is disturbing you at your gathering then alert management and let them deal with the issue. If they refuse to do anything, my advice would be to leave. People who are drunk or are on drugs often do not know what they are doing. If my daughters did what that Ch7 producer did, I'd be horrified and upset with their stupidity. Imagine if this person was your usual unknown, you would never be able to do anything about it and you just don't know what they were really capable of. And that's the truth.
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"How would people feel if it was their partner, parents, kids who came home and told you that this had happened to them. Don't think there is too many of us who would say you should have minded your own business, laughed it off or said you deserved it "bitch"."
I get that I am in the minority here but I still think his actions on the night were stupid
TBH if my daughters came home and told me they asked a drunk man to be quiet I would have told them that that was a very stupid thing to do. Drunk people do not understand reason. There is no point confronting them as long as you have a choice not to. If a drunk person is disturbing you at your gathering then alert management and let them deal with the issue. If they refuse to do anything, my advice would be to leave. People who are drunk or are on drugs often do not know what they are doing. If my daughters did what that Ch7 producer did, I'd be horrified and upset with their stupidity. Imagine if this person was your usual unknown, you would never be able to do anything about it and you just don't know what they were really capable of. And that's the truth.
Too right. Never confront a drug or alcohol affected person. That is when violence erupts. Don't come near me when l'm drinking :santa
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Come on fellas. It's not about whether you lot think it's a big deal or not, it's that the present day AFL machine will freakin jump up and down about it. Luke it or lump it, the club is a part of that PC world and it has no choice but to come down hard on him. If it fails to, the implications with sponsorships etc. would me massive. It's not the 60's or country footy. Image is critical.
The person I am most disappointed with in all of this is Dusty himself. Seriously, the club gives him plenty of rope to play up and carry on like a pork chop on weekends. All he had to do was not threaten to stab a chick in public. Dumb stuffer.
Honestly everyone can get stuffed. Go support someone else. Absolutely pathetic Richmond support on this thread. All in the name of being politically correct.. stuff me.
Take a trip on the Werribee train line, this happens every... single... day and is recorded.. nothing is done about it. 'Kill Yourself' is the latest 'fad' on social media. Look up any weird YouTube clip, its all over it. In this case just add chopsticks. Police are now involved, what a load of rubbish. A drunken death threat. Please.
Rosie Batty case and point, goes to police to report multiple child abuse examples. Nothing is done. Yet the media want to run with this story day after day. You are all fools. Shame on you all for supporting the punishment of this. Politically correct yes it's the wrong thing, well good on you for being politically correct. Anyone taken a step back to give a stuff about Dustin Martin? Anyone want to think of why he acts the way he does, why he has a drinking problem? How is he feeling? Don't tell me the woman is traumatised. Don't you dare tell me that.
Simply put this is another AFL footy player who has made a mistake being hung drawn and quartered by the media. Not just any AFL player but a very fragile one. A seriously fragile one. When Dusty commits suicide next week over all of this will you give a stuff? Who will be accountable when this happens? You idiots for wanting him hung drawn and quartered and the rest of the media I'll be pointing at. Get a grip.
Is Channel 7 out there in King Street pressing charges against people who abuse others physically or verbally every single night? No. Get stuffed. Are they at schools pressing charges against bullies who tell teenagers to 'kill themselves' and mentally disintegrate low self esteem kids? No. What a load of rubbish this all is. Why not? Because its a story, 70k members are automatically locked into interest and we have idiots on here that have fuelled it. Well done.
I stand by Dusty, made a mistake, get him counselling and actually fix the issue that has been ongoing for a long time instead of calling for his head and bloody jail time for Gods sake. RFC need to take responsibility in this. They've allowed Dusty to live an extravagant life and in all honesty has slightly worked but anyone could have seen that it was a huge risk. Just as it would have been to ban him from this lifestyle completely, he'd possibly have given the game away by now. Who knows. RFC can't was their hands of this.
But yeah Willy and the rest of you cotton wool fools, lets sack him, lets hung him out to dry, sack Jack Riewoldt too for running away from media, sack them all. Lets enjoy another 30 years of absolute horse pee. At least at the end of the day we can all pat ourselves on the back for being 'politically correct'...
You need to calm yourself, mate. You've gone off your dial. Bringing up suicide? You are more hysterical than the media.
Not once did I suggest that we should sack Dusty. In fact, I said KB's suggestion was rediculous so wtf are you talking about exactly?
I just said that if he did what is alleged, then it was stupid and will need to be punished by the club. I took Dusty's apology to be an admission of guilt. But it seems there's a chance that this lady exaggerated things so we'll wait and see what comes up. Hopefully when all the facts are there, it doesn't look so bad and he'll just cop a fine.
I think there should be consequences for our players' mistakes, just like with anyone, but any suggestion that I'm out to drag Dusty through the mud is just bloody stupid.
He is one of my fave players. I love the bastard and want him to play which is why I was disappointed that he put himself in this situation.
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It's clearly Dustin's mothers fault
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Anyone read Rita P's article in the HS claiming the afl and richmond have been protecting Dusty, and have sold the victim out?
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You mean this hysterical dribble....
NO matter how strongly the AFL promotes itself as a standard bearer of decency and virtue, when it comes to the crunch the league invariably chooses brand protection over integrity.
The league has again demonstrated just how hopelessly out of step it is with community standards in its handling of the Dustin Martin saga.
The Richmond star’s threats of violence against a terrified woman have been well documented, what has not been reported until now is the lengths the Richmond Football Club and AFL House went to in order to manage the victim known as Tracey.
On Monday morning after Tracey first reported that she’d been threatened with being stabbed with a chopstick, it seems that Richmond’s primary concern was not the victim but damage control.
According to sources close to investigation, Richmond club was keen to contain the story, fearful that the allegation would leak to the media.
The club ordered Martin to phone the victim personally and apologise, one could hypothesise in the hopes that would shut her up.
[IMG]
According to one source a Richmond officer said to the victim “there must be a better way to deal with it than through the media”.
The club then briefed an accommodating journalist only too happy to reveal not only the name of Tracey’s employer but also her specific role within that organisation.
To identify a victim of violence in such a manner is beyond the pale. It not only needlessly traumatises them but is likely to dissuade other victims from coming forward.
One would have hoped we moved past the ugly old days when victims were intimidated into withdrawing complaints or blamed for the aggressor’s actions with a compliant media happy to spin a story to protect ‘the game’.
Once the case was in the public domain and it was clear that more significant action would be required the victim was visited on her own turf, by a seemingly empathetic integrity officer from the AFL along with a representative from Richmond.
But at that meeting, the victim was given the impression the offence was not viewed as a criminal one.
Then when they presented to the victim her statement from the meeting it is understood she was very unhappy about several “falsifications” that played down the extent of her terror and the seriousness of Martin’s actions.
One AFL officer has since been accused by those close to the victim of essentially monstering her; lambasting her for leaking and talking to the media and repeatedly questioning her evidence saying there were contrary views about how far away Martin stood while he threatened to stab her and what he said.
They insisted that she come to AFL House to give a statement.
At that meeting the AFL representatives were said to be rude.
Tracey was questioned about whether she was sure she wanted to proceed with her claim that Martin threatened to stab her with a chopstick, and warned that if she did they would have to refer it to police and it could potentially end his career.
She was also warned that he could be charged with offences carrying jail time of 10 years. They then reiterated the warnings, giving the victim the impression that they wanted her to water down her complaint.
At no point was the victim encouraged to bring someone with her for support or legal advice.
When the AFL eventually referred the matter to police they did not bother to advise Tracey that they had done so.
On social media an AFL staffer used his private twitter account to release the information instead of the AFL’ s official account which has more than 500,000 followers.
But the most shameful conduct, apart from Martin’s alleged explosion of violence, was to come on Thursday evening when the AFL actively briefed the media against the victim once the case was out of its hands.
One of the investigators who had been the most aggressive towards her told her “we’ve washed our hands of this’’.
How is it that these investigators, who are well credentialed former police officers on significant salaries, could be so ham-fisted in their handling of the case?
An integrity officer is charged with protecting the integrity of the investigation but their primary concern appears to have been to protect the image of the game.
At best the handling of this matter has been incompetent, at worst it has been malicious in intimidating a traumatised victim.
The investigators’ insistence that the offences were minor coupled with pressure exerted on the victim to water down her allegation, with claims that it could land Martin in jail, are utterly unscrupulous.
As soon as the allegations were made why wasn’t it determined that it was a criminal matter that should be immediately referred to police?
Why did the league and the club spend four days needlessly distressing the victim and potentially contaminating the case before they eventually referred it to police?
The police’s performance on this issue, has been almost as woeful.
Why could they not have put in a call to the AFL at the outset, when it was surely clear a potential criminal offence had been committed.
Why did it need the Herald Sun to yesterday point out in its newspaper editorial that police could open an investigation despite not receiving a formal complaint?
It was only after that editorial, and after the Herald Sun online revealed the victim had belatedly been advised that threatening to stab or kill is a criminal offence, that the police got involved.
Also, Richmond being allowed to investigate the matter alongside the AFL, who would later assess if the club acted appropriately, is reminiscent of the ASADA fiasco and shows the AFL has learnt little from that saga.
The AFL may pride itself on being a leading light in changing community attitudes towards women but though it talks a good game about respect and responsibility it fails to live up to even the lowest of expectations.
The culture of cover ups and intimidation has seen the league sell out a victim of violence in a vain attempt to protect the brand.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/dustin-martin-saga-richmond-afl-house-protect-star-sells-out-victim-of-violence/news-story/93ee2cf3f8465de7af8563e12ca21493&memtype=anonymous
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3AW. Elliot has spoken with the producer
He is going to discuss that conversation shortly. More of the same I bet...
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Now I am going to go whack here
I still think Dusty did a moronic thing
But he media have today stooped to anew level of gutter journalism
The HUN article Dio posted, the tripe in the Age from John Silvestor is simply shameful, pathetic and totally over the top. Talk about prejudicing a persons case.
Suggest the media Let the cops do their job rather than ranting like lunatics on Ice.
Let the cops decide what to do with this case
And if that means he gets charged, he gets charged, if if means there is no case here then fine move on.
But this media grandstanding and trying to score points off the back of this gutter journalism at of the highest order
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Rita has been writing moron stuff for some time
IMHO
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TBH if my daughters came home and told me they asked a drunk man to be quiet I would have told them that that was a very stupid thing to do. Drunk people do not understand reason. There is no point confronting them as long as you have a choice not to. If a drunk person is disturbing you at your gathering then alert management and let them deal with the issue. If they refuse to do anything, my advice would be to leave. People who are drunk or are on drugs often do not know what they are doing. If my daughters did what that Ch7 producer did, I'd be horrified and upset with their stupidity. Imagine if this person was your usual unknown, you would never be able to do anything about it and you just don't know what they were really capable of. And that's the truth.
Thanks for your honesty
Just hope you wouldn't tell they deserved it. Because they don't, no one does.
And what if they didn't say anything and just copped it for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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You mean this hysterical dribble....
NO matter how strongly the AFL promotes itself as a standard bearer of decency and virtue, when it comes to the crunch the league invariably chooses brand protection over integrity.
The league has again demonstrated just how hopelessly out of step it is with community standards in its handling of the Dustin Martin saga.
The Richmond star’s threats of violence against a terrified woman have been well documented, what has not been reported until now is the lengths the Richmond Football Club and AFL House went to in order to manage the victim known as Tracey.
On Monday morning after Tracey first reported that she’d been threatened with being stabbed with a chopstick, it seems that Richmond’s primary concern was not the victim but damage control.
According to sources close to investigation, Richmond club was keen to contain the story, fearful that the allegation would leak to the media.
The club ordered Martin to phone the victim personally and apologise, one could hypothesise in the hopes that would shut her up.
[IMG]
According to one source a Richmond officer said to the victim “there must be a better way to deal with it than through the media”.
The club then briefed an accommodating journalist only too happy to reveal not only the name of Tracey’s employer but also her specific role within that organisation.
To identify a victim of violence in such a manner is beyond the pale. It not only needlessly traumatises them but is likely to dissuade other victims from coming forward.
One would have hoped we moved past the ugly old days when victims were intimidated into withdrawing complaints or blamed for the aggressor’s actions with a compliant media happy to spin a story to protect ‘the game’.
Once the case was in the public domain and it was clear that more significant action would be required the victim was visited on her own turf, by a seemingly empathetic integrity officer from the AFL along with a representative from Richmond.
But at that meeting, the victim was given the impression the offence was not viewed as a criminal one.
Then when they presented to the victim her statement from the meeting it is understood she was very unhappy about several “falsifications” that played down the extent of her terror and the seriousness of Martin’s actions.
One AFL officer has since been accused by those close to the victim of essentially monstering her; lambasting her for leaking and talking to the media and repeatedly questioning her evidence saying there were contrary views about how far away Martin stood while he threatened to stab her and what he said.
They insisted that she come to AFL House to give a statement.
At that meeting the AFL representatives were said to be rude.
Tracey was questioned about whether she was sure she wanted to proceed with her claim that Martin threatened to stab her with a chopstick, and warned that if she did they would have to refer it to police and it could potentially end his career.
She was also warned that he could be charged with offences carrying jail time of 10 years. They then reiterated the warnings, giving the victim the impression that they wanted her to water down her complaint.
At no point was the victim encouraged to bring someone with her for support or legal advice.
When the AFL eventually referred the matter to police they did not bother to advise Tracey that they had done so.
On social media an AFL staffer used his private twitter account to release the information instead of the AFL’ s official account which has more than 500,000 followers.
But the most shameful conduct, apart from Martin’s alleged explosion of violence, was to come on Thursday evening when the AFL actively briefed the media against the victim once the case was out of its hands.
One of the investigators who had been the most aggressive towards her told her “we’ve washed our hands of this’’.
How is it that these investigators, who are well credentialed former police officers on significant salaries, could be so ham-fisted in their handling of the case?
An integrity officer is charged with protecting the integrity of the investigation but their primary concern appears to have been to protect the image of the game.
At best the handling of this matter has been incompetent, at worst it has been malicious in intimidating a traumatised victim.
The investigators’ insistence that the offences were minor coupled with pressure exerted on the victim to water down her allegation, with claims that it could land Martin in jail, are utterly unscrupulous.
As soon as the allegations were made why wasn’t it determined that it was a criminal matter that should be immediately referred to police?
Why did the league and the club spend four days needlessly distressing the victim and potentially contaminating the case before they eventually referred it to police?
The police’s performance on this issue, has been almost as woeful.
Why could they not have put in a call to the AFL at the outset, when it was surely clear a potential criminal offence had been committed.
Why did it need the Herald Sun to yesterday point out in its newspaper editorial that police could open an investigation despite not receiving a formal complaint?
It was only after that editorial, and after the Herald Sun online revealed the victim had belatedly been advised that threatening to stab or kill is a criminal offence, that the police got involved.
Also, Richmond being allowed to investigate the matter alongside the AFL, who would later assess if the club acted appropriately, is reminiscent of the ASADA fiasco and shows the AFL has learnt little from that saga.
The AFL may pride itself on being a leading light in changing community attitudes towards women but though it talks a good game about respect and responsibility it fails to live up to even the lowest of expectations.
The culture of cover ups and intimidation has seen the league sell out a victim of violence in a vain attempt to protect the brand.
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Reckon she's missed the point. who instigated the police investigation? There'd be a reason for that and I'm tipping it's not what these media parasites are hoping for
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At the end of the day, Dustin has only got himself to blame.
If Dustin didn't have any understanding of how his actions could impact the larger supporter group and football community then he certainly will have now.
This is the reality that a lot of young footballers don't actually get, they don't actually get that they can have such a large-scale impact on the community of course with the backing of media hysteria.
Good luck to him, he is going to need it. The press are after blood, the club is probably too scared to act, not that they can probably do very much anyway, but still.
I think involving the police was very good idea I think by doing that it will actually stabilise the scene to some extent there will be some goading by press towards the Richmond football club to smash Dustin I think they need to judge the evidence on its merit and act accordingly.
He might get eight weeks
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Here is an idea
If a bloke is enjoying his sushi , acting like a chopstick walrus
Perhaps advise your great granma / sister / daughter
Not too call him over , like an arrogant cow
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TBH if my daughters came home and told me they asked a drunk man to be quiet I would have told them that that was a very stupid thing to do. Drunk people do not understand reason. There is no point confronting them as long as you have a choice not to. If a drunk person is disturbing you at your gathering then alert management and let them deal with the issue. If they refuse to do anything, my advice would be to leave. People who are drunk or are on drugs often do not know what they are doing. If my daughters did what that Ch7 producer did, I'd be horrified and upset with their stupidity. Imagine if this person was your usual unknown, you would never be able to do anything about it and you just don't know what they were really capable of. And that's the truth.
Thanks for your honesty
Just hope you wouldn't tell they deserved it. Because they don't, no one does.
And what if they didn't say anything and just copped it for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Of course nobody deserves this behavior from drunken sods. However, one must be street wise and avoid confrontation at all costs. Even when you can easily defend yourself, you are always taught to avoid confrontation if possible. There are no winners when you get into a fight. Just injured human beings.
And it's worse if you have instigated the confrontation by telling someone to shut up.
Of course, it is very different if you are just an innocent bystander. I would be mortified if my daughters were threatened and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I would then ask for the police to step in.
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Now I am going to go whack here
I still think Dusty did a moronic thing
But he media have today stooped to anew level of gutter journalism
The HUN article Dio posted, the tripe in the Age from John Silvestor is simply shameful, pathetic and totally over the top. Talk about prejudicing a persons case.
Suggest the media Let the cops do their job rather than ranting like lunatics on Ice.
Let the cops decide what to do with this case
And if that means he gets charged, he gets charged, if if means there is no case here then fine move on.
But this media grandstanding and trying to score points off the back of this gutter journalism at of the highest order
For mine the article from Rita represents a new low in the reporting of this case. The usual 'out' when journos get it wrong is 'oh, but it's an opinion piece'.
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Think Rita needs to cook him some eggs and stfu!
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TBH if my daughters came home and told me they asked a drunk man to be quiet I would have told them that that was a very stupid thing to do. Drunk people do not understand reason. There is no point confronting them as long as you have a choice not to. If a drunk person is disturbing you at your gathering then alert management and let them deal with the issue. If they refuse to do anything, my advice would be to leave. People who are drunk or are on drugs often do not know what they are doing. If my daughters did what that Ch7 producer did, I'd be horrified and upset with their stupidity. Imagine if this person was your usual unknown, you would never be able to do anything about it and you just don't know what they were really capable of. And that's the truth.
Thanks for your honesty
Just hope you wouldn't tell they deserved it. Because they don't, no one does.
And what if they didn't say anything and just copped it for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
and what if your auntie had balls? She'd be your uncle, right?
FFS! what ifs??!!
What about being able to identify dangerous situations and being able to avoid them, rather than inflame them. It is one of lifes basic skills for self presevation, but more and more, and in particular with women, it actaully being encouraged to do the exact opposite.
If someone I knew and cared for had done what this thing had, i would be pointing out that what she did was akin to grabbing a tiger by the tale and was not the smartest course of action. Hailing a drunk person to your side like the queen of sheeba and then chastising them is not ever going to be included in "how to placidly deal with drunks 101"
It would however be right near the top of "how to pick a fight with a drunk on the sly 101"
It has nothing to do with saying she deserved it, but her actions greatly influenced the situation, and if there is any substance to these eye witness accounts, much more so than her original statements led us all to believe.
...and why you would throw;
And what if they didn't say anything and just copped it for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
into the conversation? It is truly bewildering, as that is then a completely different scenario, and is clearly not the case here. It seems , like the media, you have an agenda to pursue and are willing to throw out red herrings and furthies to keep the barrow rolling in the direction you want.
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You mean this hysterical dribble....
NO matter how strongly the AFL promotes itself as a standard bearer of decency and virtue, when it comes to the crunch the league invariably chooses brand protection over integrity.
The league has again demonstrated just how hopelessly out of step it is with community standards in its handling of the Dustin Martin saga.
The Richmond star’s threats of violence against a terrified woman have been well documented, what has not been reported until now is the lengths the Richmond Football Club and AFL House went to in order to manage the victim known as Tracey.
On Monday morning after Tracey first reported that she’d been threatened with being stabbed with a chopstick, it seems that Richmond’s primary concern was not the victim but damage control.
According to sources close to investigation, Richmond club was keen to contain the story, fearful that the allegation would leak to the media.
The club ordered Martin to phone the victim personally and apologise, one could hypothesise in the hopes that would shut her up.
[IMG]
According to one source a Richmond officer said to the victim “there must be a better way to deal with it than through the media”.
The club then briefed an accommodating journalist only too happy to reveal not only the name of Tracey’s employer but also her specific role within that organisation.
To identify a victim of violence in such a manner is beyond the pale. It not only needlessly traumatises them but is likely to dissuade other victims from coming forward.
One would have hoped we moved past the ugly old days when victims were intimidated into withdrawing complaints or blamed for the aggressor’s actions with a compliant media happy to spin a story to protect ‘the game’.
Once the case was in the public domain and it was clear that more significant action would be required the victim was visited on her own turf, by a seemingly empathetic integrity officer from the AFL along with a representative from Richmond.
But at that meeting, the victim was given the impression the offence was not viewed as a criminal one.
Then when they presented to the victim her statement from the meeting it is understood she was very unhappy about several “falsifications” that played down the extent of her terror and the seriousness of Martin’s actions.
One AFL officer has since been accused by those close to the victim of essentially monstering her; lambasting her for leaking and talking to the media and repeatedly questioning her evidence saying there were contrary views about how far away Martin stood while he threatened to stab her and what he said.
They insisted that she come to AFL House to give a statement.
At that meeting the AFL representatives were said to be rude.
Tracey was questioned about whether she was sure she wanted to proceed with her claim that Martin threatened to stab her with a chopstick, and warned that if she did they would have to refer it to police and it could potentially end his career.
She was also warned that he could be charged with offences carrying jail time of 10 years. They then reiterated the warnings, giving the victim the impression that they wanted her to water down her complaint.
At no point was the victim encouraged to bring someone with her for support or legal advice.
When the AFL eventually referred the matter to police they did not bother to advise Tracey that they had done so.
On social media an AFL staffer used his private twitter account to release the information instead of the AFL’ s official account which has more than 500,000 followers.
But the most shameful conduct, apart from Martin’s alleged explosion of violence, was to come on Thursday evening when the AFL actively briefed the media against the victim once the case was out of its hands.
One of the investigators who had been the most aggressive towards her told her “we’ve washed our hands of this’’.
How is it that these investigators, who are well credentialed former police officers on significant salaries, could be so ham-fisted in their handling of the case?
An integrity officer is charged with protecting the integrity of the investigation but their primary concern appears to have been to protect the image of the game.
At best the handling of this matter has been incompetent, at worst it has been malicious in intimidating a traumatised victim.
The investigators’ insistence that the offences were minor coupled with pressure exerted on the victim to water down her allegation, with claims that it could land Martin in jail, are utterly unscrupulous.
As soon as the allegations were made why wasn’t it determined that it was a criminal matter that should be immediately referred to police?
Why did the league and the club spend four days needlessly distressing the victim and potentially contaminating the case before they eventually referred it to police?
The police’s performance on this issue, has been almost as woeful.
Why could they not have put in a call to the AFL at the outset, when it was surely clear a potential criminal offence had been committed.
Why did it need the Herald Sun to yesterday point out in its newspaper editorial that police could open an investigation despite not receiving a formal complaint?
It was only after that editorial, and after the Herald Sun online revealed the victim had belatedly been advised that threatening to stab or kill is a criminal offence, that the police got involved.
Also, Richmond being allowed to investigate the matter alongside the AFL, who would later assess if the club acted appropriately, is reminiscent of the ASADA fiasco and shows the AFL has learnt little from that saga.
The AFL may pride itself on being a leading light in changing community attitudes towards women but though it talks a good game about respect and responsibility it fails to live up to even the lowest of expectations.
The culture of cover ups and intimidation has seen the league sell out a victim of violence in a vain attempt to protect the brand.
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well well rita, guilty as charged hey? you may be late onto the scene but you are definitely leading pitchfork wielding mob here
no wonder you think there is something wrong with this;
According to one source a Richmond officer said to the victim “there must be a better way to deal with it than through the media”.
because that is suggesting then you shouldn't be sinking to such lows. That trial by media is not the best course of action. Geez what does that do to your view of your own self importance?
regardless of what you and your fellow media scum think, it is not your role to pass judgement on people until all the facts are known.
This is exactly why RFC have put this into the hands of the police, to avoid trial by media.
get over your self inflated worth and STF up!
Are you going to apologise if the police find that you mate Tracy actually caused a situation by her actions and Martin has no case to answer?
I bet not because that would require integrity and you clearly have none, Zero. Zilch!
what will be even funnier is if they decide there is a case to answer, but the DPP conclude that the plethora of such articles have prejudiced the case and it would be thrown out of court for such.
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Judge dread
Rita, Caro, other assorted media flogs
I AM THE LAW
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and what if your auntie had balls? She'd be your uncle, right?
FFS! what ifs??!!
What? Lost me
What about being able to identify dangerous situations and being able to avoid them, rather than inflame them. It is one of lifes basic skills for self presevation, but more and more, and in particular with women, it actaully being encouraged to do the exact opposite.
If someone I knew and cared for had done what this thing had, i would be pointing out that what she did was akin to grabbing a tiger by the tale and was not the smartest course of action. Hailing a drunk person to your side like the queen of sheeba and then chastising them is not ever going to be included in "how to placidly deal with drunks 101"
It would however be right near the top of "how to pick a fight with a drunk on the sly 101"
It has nothing to do with saying she deserved it, but her actions greatly influenced the situation, and if there is any substance to these eye witness accounts, much more so than her original statements led us all to believe.
Yes Her actions may have influenced the situation, actually there is a case to say they may inflamed the situation but it still doesn't justify what Dusty did; it doesn't make it right. And that has been one of of my points all along
And BTW a number people on here have said that she deserved what happened it is all her fault because she approached him.
...and why you would throw;
And what if they didn't say anything and just copped it for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
into the conversation? It is truly bewildering, as that is then a completely different scenario, and is clearly not the case here. It seems , like the media, you have an agenda to pursue and are willing to throw out red herrings and furthies to keep the barrow rolling in the direction you want.
Why? Because reading through this thread it would appear that it wouldn't matter what the scenario, it would be the person at the end of the verbal barrage who's to blame rather than person dishing it out. Was hoping to get a clear indication that wasn't the case
I have no agenda here. I am and have always been a great supporter of Dusty on this forum. Remember the contract saga when so many wanted him out of the club, I didn't, supported him. Backed him into stay. I am a huge supporter of his, always have been, always will be.
But he not perfect....
So just because I refuse to not hold him blameless here doesn't mean I don't support him or means I have some hidden agenda. Contrary to what a number of people have posted He is not blameless in this whole mess
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Only really one question for Rita and it's a question I asked on day 1
And that is ...
If the "victim" was so distraught, anger, scared, terrified then why didn't she go to the cops herself. Why did she wait until work on Monday?
But as Penelope has already pointed out, we may have to thank Rita of this ends up in court as a criminal case, she's done a fantastic job of prejudicing this case :shh
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I'll play devils advocate here and say this. Why is her approaching Martin instead of the cops/management a bad thing? Maybe she had genuinely good intentions of giving him a heads up to pull his head in so someone else didn't end up going to the cops/managment and smearing his name. It was stupid no doubt seeing as Martin was drunk, but surely Martin has to be man enough to think "damn, maybe I am being a bit over the top" and just tone him self down. If he did that chances are no one would of heard a bleep out of this.
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Wtf
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I'll play devils advocate here and say this. Why is her approaching Martin instead of the cops/management a bad thing? Maybe she had genuinely good intentions of giving him a heads up to pull his head in so someone else didn't end up going to the cops/managment and smearing his name.
Because her actions are not consistent with someone having genuinely good intentions. If she did, she would have gone up to Dusty instead of beckoning him to her table. And if she did, you can't comprehend that she wouldn't have applied Dealing With Drunks 101 and that is to not get involved but let those with the skills, training and position deal with it. And if she did then the apology that she accepted on Monday morning should have been the end of it, not the beginning.
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Pity for these media leaches they're efforts to find some form have proved fruitless.
His behavior was completely out of character
So did she feel genuinely threatened or was this a golden opportunity to exploit her role at ch 7 and a produce a headline for the 600 news
The fact that ch 7 got the exclusive and it wasn't even reported to the cops says plenty , not too mention the conflicting reports of the exchange
All we can ask is justice
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Because everybody feels threatened when someone "famous" says they're goig to stab you with a chopstick in front of a full restaurant of patrons....because that kind of thing happens all the time.
She had her femmo ego bruised and is now being a femmo idiot about it.
That's all.
Dusty is a idiot but the longer this drags on, the more she looks like a bigger one.
#HairyMuffs
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He's apologised.
What's this idiots problem.
Dog cow rat idiot
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Because she was expecting the RFC would rollover and accept a massive penalty, if DM had form like say Darren Millane who used to bash pub patrons for kicks , then sure, throw him to the wolves.
That he s never been in this kinda strife before, and the incident stopped short of an assault , this has gone out of control with the media lynch mob after DM coz he has neck tattoos and his dad's a bikie. No other explanation
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Your best post of 2015 BJ.
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Because she was expecting the RFC would rollover and accept a massive penalty, if DM had form like say Darren Millane who used to bash pub patrons for kicks , then sure, throw him to the wolves.
That he s never been in this kinda strife before, and the incident stopped short of an assault , this has gone out of control with the media lynch mob after DM coz he has neck tattoos and his dad's a bikie. No other explanation
X2. Who is his Dad with?
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Mongrel Mob
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Mongrel Mob
Surely he's not that tasteless.
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Because she was expecting the RFC would rollover and accept a massive penalty, if DM had form like say Darren Millane who used to bash pub patrons for kicks , then sure, throw him to the wolves.
That he s never been in this kinda strife before, and the incident stopped short of an assault , this has gone out of control with the media lynch mob after DM coz he has neck tattoos and his dad's a bikie. No other explanation
X2. Who is his Dad with?
S of A for Rebels NSW , used to be good Maltese club , not anymore
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Please.
I will raise my kids not to approach anyone who is drunk especially on a saturday night. I will then ask they dont watch their every move then feel you need to say something.
gee how comforting...
So if your wife came home after a night out with some friends and told you some drunken yobo had been carrying on like a goose and she asked them to keep it down and they came over abused her, threatened her you'd tell her she should have minded her own business and she deserved it?
Or if your someone from your family was the train home and some drug head just out of the blue picked them out and started abusing and threatening them for no reason and they told you about it would you say they deserve that too?
re: my wife 100% she wouldnt even dare approach a drunk man so there is no point even discussing it. She is not stupid you see.
Well actually now that we are telling stories an ice addict approached my car at a set of lights he was crossing. Tried to open the door whilst swearing at my window, then as my car drove off he punched the door leaving damage. Front seat empty kids in the back
The thing is i dont blame the addict, i blame the car in front of me who felt he needed to provoke him by saying something to him while he was crossing. Guess who he thought was abusing him? Me. I assume because he was that high.
All this would not have happened if the dumb idiot in front of me hadn't opened his stupid mouth, then the gutless stuff didnt hang around and assist instead drove off.
Whilst your friend may have not been doing anything and didnt deserve it, a lot of times people create these issues when all they need to do is STFU, walk away or call someone who is more trained to deal with these situation.
As each day drags on the more this girl can get stuffed and go back to Sydney with Caitlin Jenner.
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A good lawyer will pick the eyes through the bs. I'm sure RFC know that
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Because she was expecting the RFC would rollover and accept a massive penalty, if DM had form like say Darren Millane who used to bash pub patrons for kicks , then sure, throw him to the wolves.
That he s never been in this kinda strife before, and the incident stopped short of an assault , this has gone out of control with the media lynch mob after DM coz he has neck tattoos and his dad's a bikie. No other explanation
X2. Who is his Dad with?
S of A for Rebels NSW , used to be good Maltese club , not anymore
Really didn't know that
Who cares
Met him few times, great bloke to chat to. :thumbsup
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Mongrel Mob
Surely he's not that tasteless.
No joke cuz I vouched for him eh....
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Because she was expecting the RFC would rollover and accept a massive penalty, if DM had form like say Darren Millane who used to bash pub patrons for kicks , then sure, throw him to the wolves.
That he s never been in this kinda strife before, and the incident stopped short of an assault , this has gone out of control with the media lynch mob after DM coz he has neck tattoos and his dad's a bikie. No other explanation
X2. Who is his Dad with?
S of A for Rebels NSW , used to be good Maltese club , not anymore
Really didn't know that
Who cares
Met him few times, great bloke to chat to. :thumbsup
Me either that's why I asked, very surprised........yes it is still a great club :shh :thumbsup
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and what if your auntie had balls? She'd be your uncle, right?
FFS! what ifs??!!
What? Lost me
What about being able to identify dangerous situations and being able to avoid them, rather than inflame them. It is one of lifes basic skills for self presevation, but more and more, and in particular with women, it actaully being encouraged to do the exact opposite.
If someone I knew and cared for had done what this thing had, i would be pointing out that what she did was akin to grabbing a tiger by the tale and was not the smartest course of action. Hailing a drunk person to your side like the queen of sheeba and then chastising them is not ever going to be included in "how to placidly deal with drunks 101"
It would however be right near the top of "how to pick a fight with a drunk on the sly 101"
It has nothing to do with saying she deserved it, but her actions greatly influenced the situation, and if there is any substance to these eye witness accounts, much more so than her original statements led us all to believe.
Yes Her actions may have influenced the situation, actually there is a case to say they may inflamed the situation but it still doesn't justify what Dusty did; it doesn't make it right. And that has been one of of my points all along
And BTW a number people on here have said that she deserved what happened it is all her fault because she approached him.
...and why you would throw;
And what if they didn't say anything and just copped it for being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
into the conversation? It is truly bewildering, as that is then a completely different scenario, and is clearly not the case here. It seems , like the media, you have an agenda to pursue and are willing to throw out red herrings and furthies to keep the barrow rolling in the direction you want.
Why? Because reading through this thread it would appear that it wouldn't matter what the scenario, it would be the person at the end of the verbal barrage who's to blame rather than person dishing it out. Was hoping to get a clear indication that wasn't the case
I have no agenda here. I am and have always been a great supporter of Dusty on this forum. Remember the contract saga when so many wanted him out of the club, I didn't, supported him. Backed him into stay. I am a huge supporter of his, always have been, always will be.
But he not perfect....
So just because I refuse to not hold him blameless here doesn't mean I don't support him or means I have some hidden agenda. Contrary to what a number of people have posted He is not blameless in this whole mess
all that comment does is muddy the waters, even more. this Tracy thing was not just an innocent bystander, she has to take responsibility for her actions too, just as dusty does.
Nor is it a case of her actions may have inflamed the situation, it is a case of they did. It is how much so is the unknown. It could also be argued that her actions created the situation, as it is highly unlikely Martin would have given her a second glance if she had taken a different course of action. A mate of mine reckons that for most multi car accidents it takes 2 acts of stupidity, and that applies perfectly here.
if we are to believe some of these eye witness accounts then she is either about as dumb to the ways of the world as you can get, or she set set out deliberately antagonise him.
and I'll tell you one thing, male or female, if you deliberately set out to antagonise drunks, then someone where along the line you will experience a violent reaction.
That is not any attempt to justify such a response, just an understanding of the way things work. Just because people believe in how things should be, that doesn't change the reality of how things are.
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Because she was expecting the RFC would rollover and accept a massive penalty, if DM had form like say Darren Millane who used to bash pub patrons for kicks , then sure, throw him to the wolves.
That he s never been in this kinda strife before, and the incident stopped short of an assault , this has gone out of control with the media lynch mob after DM coz he has neck tattoos and his dad's a bikie. No other explanation
X2. Who is his Dad with?
S of A for Rebels NSW , used to be good Maltese club , not anymore
Really didn't know that
Who cares
Met him few times, great bloke to chat to. :thumbsup
Yes Shane is a good bloke , times ar e a changing though , there's still a few Abela's & Abdullahas & Vella's etc but being overrun by others
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all that comment does is muddy the waters, even more. this Tracy thing was not just an innocent bystander, she has to take responsibility for her actions too, just as dusty does.
Nor is it a case of her actions may have inflamed the situation, it is a case of they did. It is how much so is the unknown. It could also be argued that her actions created the situation, as it is highly unlikely Martin would have given her a second glance if she had taken a different course of action. A mate of mine reckons that for most multi car accidents it takes 2 acts of stupidity, and that applies perfectly here.
if we are to believe some of these eye witness accounts then she is either about as dumb to the ways of the world as you can get, or she set set out deliberately antagonise him.
and I'll tell you one thing, male or female, if you deliberately set out to antagonise drunks, then someone where along the line you will experience a violent reaction.
That is not any attempt to justify such a response, just an understanding of the way things work. Just because people believe in how things should be, that doesn't change the reality of how things are.
Get your point
and without wanting to sound condescending that is a very good post, explains a different view point really well, no rhetoric :thumbsup
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I'll play devils advocate here and say this. Why is her approaching Martin instead of the cops/management a bad thing? Maybe she had genuinely good intentions of giving him a heads up to pull his head in so someone else didn't end up going to the cops/managment and smearing his name. It was stupid no doubt seeing as Martin was drunk, but surely Martin has to be man enough to think "damn, maybe I am being a bit over the top" and just tone him self down. If he did that chances are no one would of heard a bleep out of this.
.... Cause the cops are not going to 'approach' mr martin ... For being a chopstick walrus ... In the diner he part owns?
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Yes Shane is a good bloke , times ar e a changing though , there's still a few Abela's & Abdullahas & Vella's etc but being overrun by others
Agree about Shane, really good bloke. Scary to look at though, those face Tatts :rollin
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Because she was expecting the RFC would rollover and accept a massive penalty, if DM had form like say Darren Millane who used to bash pub patrons for kicks , then sure, throw him to the wolves.
That he s never been in this kinda strife before, and the incident stopped short of an assault , this has gone out of control with the media lynch mob after DM coz he has neck tattoos and his dad's a bikie. No other explanation
X2. Who is his Dad with?
S of A for Rebels NSW , used to be good Maltese club , not anymore
Really didn't know that
Who cares
Met him few times, great bloke to chat to. :thumbsup
Yes Shane is a good bloke , times ar e a changing though , there's still a few Abela's & Abdullahas & Vella's etc but being overrun by others
It's still staunch. ;). Don't believe the press.
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Then the LORD said to Dusty, “Where is Abel your old man?” He said, “I do not know; am I my father's keeper?”
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TBH if my daughters came home and told me they asked a drunk man to be quiet I would have told them that that was a very stupid thing to do. Drunk people do not understand reason. There is no point confronting them as long as you have a choice not to. If a drunk person is disturbing you at your gathering then alert management and let them deal with the issue. If they refuse to do anything, my advice would be to leave. People who are drunk or are on drugs often do not know what they are doing. If my daughters did what that Ch7 producer did, I'd be horrified and upset with their stupidity. Imagine if this person was your usual unknown, you would never be able to do anything about it and you just don't know what they were really capable of. And that's the truth.
Imma call you out on that one, I think that's rubbish. You'd support your daughters to the absolute fullest, regardless of the circumstances, like many are calling for the club to do with dusty.
Just one quick point. Whilst I agree with the people needing street smarts, assessing situations, destressing scenarios and avoiding dangerous ones, isn't it a poor reflection on society that the drunk trouble maker walks away not realising the danger he's put everyone in by getting him/herserf that innibriated, whilst the bystanders are the ones who have to diffuse all the potential dangers. The perpetrator doesn't feel any negative effects other than a filthy hangover and a wry grin whilst the retelling of the previous nights events are exposed; the rest of us have to put up with the status quo simply because its the smarter way to do things.
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Who's Imma?
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TBH if my daughters came home and told me they asked a drunk man to be quiet I would have told them that that was a very stupid thing to do. Drunk people do not understand reason. There is no point confronting them as long as you have a choice not to. If a drunk person is disturbing you at your gathering then alert management and let them deal with the issue. If they refuse to do anything, my advice would be to leave. People who are drunk or are on drugs often do not know what they are doing. If my daughters did what that Ch7 producer did, I'd be horrified and upset with their stupidity. Imagine if this person was your usual unknown, you would never be able to do anything about it and you just don't know what they were really capable of. And that's the truth.
Imma call you out on that one, I think that's rubbish. You'd support your daughters to the absolute fullest, regardless of the circumstances, like many are calling for the club to do with dusty.
Just one quick point. Whilst I agree with the people needing street smarts, assessing situations, destressing scenarios and avoiding dangerous ones, isn't it a poor reflection on society that the drunk trouble maker walks away not realising the danger he's put everyone in by getting him/herserf that innibriated, whilst the bystanders are the ones who have to diffuse all the potential dangers. The perpetrator doesn't feel any negative effects other than a filthy hangover and a wry grin whilst the retelling of the previous nights events are exposed; the rest of us have to put up with the status quo simply because its the smarter way to do things.
FFS, that is a ridiculous post!!!!!
How can you call what I would do rubbish? You don't know me. You don't know how I think and behave around my daughters. You forget that in this situation nobody got hurt or even touched!!! So even though I would support them in a way, I would tell them they they have learn't nothing that I have taught them over the years. You do not discipline someone else especially if they are drunk. You are only going to cause trouble for yourself.
And you are dead wong about the rest of your post. I already suggested other ways of dealing with the problem that do not put yourself in danger. The drunk person doesn't have to walk away unpunished. Get the restaurant management to handle the drunk. If he is more of an issue, call the police. He won't have a wry smile then.
Please don't try to pretend you know what I would really do. I was asked what I would do and I answered it honestly. I don't need you to call it rubbish. It may not be that you would do, but certainly it is what I would do in the exact same circumstances.
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TBH if my daughters came home and told me they asked a drunk man to be quiet I would have told them that that was a very stupid thing to do. Drunk people do not understand reason. There is no point confronting them as long as you have a choice not to. If a drunk person is disturbing you at your gathering then alert management and let them deal with the issue. If they refuse to do anything, my advice would be to leave. People who are drunk or are on drugs often do not know what they are doing. If my daughters did what that Ch7 producer did, I'd be horrified and upset with their stupidity. Imagine if this person was your usual unknown, you would never be able to do anything about it and you just don't know what they were really capable of. And that's the truth.
Imma call you out on that one, I think that's rubbish. You'd support your daughters to the absolute fullest, regardless of the circumstances, like many are calling for the club to do with dusty.
Just one quick point. Whilst I agree with the people needing street smarts, assessing situations, destressing scenarios and avoiding dangerous ones, isn't it a poor reflection on society that the drunk trouble maker walks away not realising the danger he's put everyone in by getting him/herserf that innibriated, whilst the bystanders are the ones who have to diffuse all the potential dangers. The perpetrator doesn't feel any negative effects other than a filthy hangover and a wry grin whilst the retelling of the previous nights events are exposed; the rest of us have to put up with the status quo simply because its the smarter way to do things.
FFS, that is a ridiculous post!!!!!
How can you call what I would do rubbish? You don't know me. You don't know how I think and behave around my daughters. You forget that in this situation nobody got hurt or even touched!!! So even though I would support them in a way, I would tell them they they have learn't nothing that I have taught them over the years. You do not discipline someone else especially if they are drunk. You are only going to cause trouble for yourself.
And you are dead wong about the rest of your post. I already suggested other ways of dealing with the problem that do not put yourself in danger. The drunk person doesn't have to walk away unpunished. Get the restaurant management to handle the drunk. If he is more of an issue, call the police. He won't have a wry smile then.
Please don't try to pretend you know what I would really do. I was asked what I would do and I answered it honestly. I don't need you to call it rubbish. It may not be that you would do, but certainly it is what I would do in the exact same circumstances.
Fair call, I don't know you, I don't know how you go about setting your own personal value sets which you pass on to your kids. But to hold your own daughters accountable for some louts drunken antics seems harsh and unfair to me, which is exactly my point. Why is everyone else at fault because some drongo can't handle his pee and has become volatile?
I'm not having a crack at dusty, or the RFC or siding with the media's reaction. All I'm saying is beneath all the "PC" political correctness etc, there is a valid point, which not one person here has addressed. The perpetrators of such occurences are beligerantly defended regardless of their actions and the general public are expected to tiptoe around these hotheads because its the safer, smarter option. Its a bulldust philosophy and it does us no credit to defend it.
Ah well, boys will be boys ::)
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We addressed it by saying he's a idiot.
He's been judged.
He's apologised.
We know he didn't really mean that he was going to stab her or kill her,
So stop crying.
She's a idiot.
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TBH if my daughters came home and told me they asked a drunk man to be quiet I would have told them that that was a very stupid thing to do. Drunk people do not understand reason. There is no point confronting them as long as you have a choice not to. If a drunk person is disturbing you at your gathering then alert management and let them deal with the issue. If they refuse to do anything, my advice would be to leave. People who are drunk or are on drugs often do not know what they are doing. If my daughters did what that Ch7 producer did, I'd be horrified and upset with their stupidity. Imagine if this person was your usual unknown, you would never be able to do anything about it and you just don't know what they were really capable of. And that's the truth.
Imma call you out on that one, I think that's rubbish. You'd support your daughters to the absolute fullest, regardless of the circumstances, like many are calling for the club to do with dusty.
Just one quick point. Whilst I agree with the people needing street smarts, assessing situations, destressing scenarios and avoiding dangerous ones, isn't it a poor reflection on society that the drunk trouble maker walks away not realising the danger he's put everyone in by getting him/herserf that innibriated, whilst the bystanders are the ones who have to diffuse all the potential dangers. The perpetrator doesn't feel any negative effects other than a filthy hangover and a wry grin whilst the retelling of the previous nights events are exposed; the rest of us have to put up with the status quo simply because its the smarter way to do things.
If she is goin to save the souls of chapel st on a night out why is he pickin on dusty and not the ice addict losing an argument with his reflection on the rebel sport window?
Hundreds of options and she calls over the celebrity doing the walrus
How coincidental ...
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We addressed it by saying he's a idiot.
He's been judged.
He's apologised.
We know he didn't really mean that he was going to stab her or kill her,
So stop crying.
She's a idiot.
Was the all australian of the year really trying to kill the women and children on te opposition cheer squad?
What's worst an imagery spear or a real chop stick?
#MaoriWarDance
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We addressed it by saying he's a idiot.
He's been judged.
He's apologised.
We know he didn't really mean that he was going to stab her or kill her,
So stop crying.
She's a idiot.
No one can dispute this post
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We addressed it by saying he's a idiot.
He's been judged.
He's apologised.
We know he didn't really mean that he was going to stab her or kill her,
So stop crying.
She's a idiot.
No one can dispute this post
I agree brother, that's not really my point. I'm speaking more in general terms.
I just feel we're at risk of becoming essendon with the #standbyhird bulldust, which in one swift stroke brought that club to its knees. They'll be the next carlton for the next 10 years because of a lot of cantankerous nuffters not seeing the big picture.
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But hird was guilty
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Woman who alleges Dustin Martin threatened her says AFL ‘leaned’ on her to change evidence
Jon Kaila and Lauren Wood
Herald Sun
December 12, 2015
THE woman who claims Dustin Martin threatened to stab her with a chopstick has launched a withering attack on the AFL over its handling of the case.
The 30-year-old claims that the league “leaned’’ on her to water down evidence that Martin threatened “I’ll f***ing stab you’’ in Chapel St’s Mr Miyagi restaurant on Saturday night.
One AFL officer then gloated to her “we’ve washed our hands of this’’ once the investigation was handed over to the police yesterday, the shaken victim — a Channel Seven staffer — has confided to friends.
“It has been incredibly stressful,’’ she has told a friend.
“The investigation has been seriously flawed. The AFL needs to overhaul their process so the focus is on a victim’s welfare and not the branding of the league.’’
One friend said the woman was particularly devastated that the league had “actively sought to discredit her story’’ after police took charge last night, telling journalists that other diners had downplayed the incident.
On her first day of interviews with the AFL, friends said the woman had been told by integrity investigators the club viewed her as a credible witness and did not dispute her claims.
But by the third day they were questioning her version of events.
“I felt heavily leaned on to water down how threatened and intimidated I felt on the night,’’ she told a friend.
In her final interview with the AFL — a four-hour session — she said officers repeatedly questioned whether she wanted to proceed with her claim that Martin threatened to stab her with a chopstick, warning then they would have to refer it to police and it could end his career.
The Herald Sun can reveal two other people who have backed up her story are being contacted by police, who are working though the entire reservation list for the night.
Detectives from Stonnington Crime Investigation Unit today visited the restaurant, where CCTV is understood to have captured Martin’s arrival, but not the incident.
It comes despite a senior staffer at the restaurant, which allowed Martin to jump the queue and down several shots despite reports he was in “space land’’, had told the Herald Sun earlier this week that none of its CCTV cameras were operating.
CCTV is understood to have caught Martin arriving at the restaurant. Picture Norm Oorloff
Richmond has also come under fire, with one source close to the victim claiming that on Monday morning, when she first complained, an officer said “there must be a better way to deal with it than through the media’’.
The victim has also revealed in her first interview with league and Richmond integrity officers, she was given the impression the offence was not viewed as a criminal one.
But when they presented their version of her statement back to her, it was littered with “falsifications’’ playing down the extent of her terror and Martin’s menace.
One AFL officer has since been accused by those close to the victim of “monstering’’ her.
Richmond president Peggy O’Neal today said the club was “concerned” for Martin who will travel to Queensland for a pre-season training camp with his Tigers teammates on Sunday.
“We’re concerned about Dustin and, of course, we’re disappointed with any kind of behaviour like that, but again, we don’t know all the facts and that’s what this investigation will show,” O’Neal said.
Anyone with information on the incident is encouraged to call the Crime Stoppers line 1800 333000 .
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/woman-who-alleges-dustin-martin-threatened-her-says-afl-leaned-on-her-to-change-evidence/news-story/ea3a418d536b7b4282a482b7ecb0a0fe
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Tale of troubled Tiger Dustin
Herald-Sun
12 December 2015
IF his off-field life can often be described as chaotic, the same can never be applied to Dustin Martin’s AFL journey, where even before being drafted in 2009 he declared he was “born to play AFL”.
Payview link: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/a-star-on-field-dustin-martins-life-off-the-ground-is-not-so-professional/news-story/1d8f1b2199ce5de4c9b2f1dcf8724b46
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Wow Herald Sun
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Meanwhile, in Sydney, in a completely unelated attack, a woman has been stabbed to death with a chopstick....by her husband.
What an idiot this cow is.
She looks like a femmo idiot in this article - and she is.
Just a trouble making, dollar chasing cunnova thing.
If it was my daughter, I'd blame her mother.
Piece of poo.
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Richmond FC: a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental walrus environment
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Meanwhile, in Sydney, in a completely unelated attack, a woman has been stabbed to death with a chopstick....by her husband.
What an idiot this cow is.
She looks like a femmo idiot in this article - and she is.
Just a trouble making, dollar chasing cunnova thing.
If it was my daughter, I'd blame her mother.
Piece of poo.
Exactly.
Like I said just illustrates what's wrong with some people in society chasing the dollars and gender equality
Congrats to the cow and to channel 7. You have had your 5 seconds now FO.
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Another day another half a Hun of bollocks loo paper
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This whole thing is giving me the runs
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Looks like she is out for his blood
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But hird was guilty
And Hird never admitted guilt
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*Woman is at restaurant and beckons a drunk over to her table to tell him to calm down.
*Drunk unsuspectingly obliges and is met with authoritative belligerence.
*Drunk reacts verbally.No physical contact is made.
*Woman makes official complaint to employer of drunk. (Victim)
(Would you bother if her worked at Coles)
*Woman then launches verbal attack on employer via willing media outlets
Claiming, "The investigation has been seriously flawed." (victim)
*Woman advises AFL by saying - "The AFL need to overhaul their process so the focus is on a victim’s welfare and not the branding of the league.’’
(she certainly has recognised herself as a Victim)
*Woman accuses AFL and RFC of falsifying legal statements.
(Victim)
*Woman continues to elaborate on the 5 seconds in Question -
“I felt heavily leaned on to water down how threatened and intimidated I felt on the night,’’ she told a friend
(Victim)
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TBH if my daughters came home and told me they asked a drunk man to be quiet I would have told them that that was a very stupid thing to do. Drunk people do not understand reason. There is no point confronting them as long as you have a choice not to. If a drunk person is disturbing you at your gathering then alert management and let them deal with the issue. If they refuse to do anything, my advice would be to leave. People who are drunk or are on drugs often do not know what they are doing. If my daughters did what that Ch7 producer did, I'd be horrified and upset with their stupidity. Imagine if this person was your usual unknown, you would never be able to do anything about it and you just don't know what they were really capable of. And that's the truth.
Imma call you out on that one, I think that's rubbish. You'd support your daughters to the absolute fullest, regardless of the circumstances, like many are calling for the club to do with dusty.
Just one quick point. Whilst I agree with the people needing street smarts, assessing situations, destressing scenarios and avoiding dangerous ones, isn't it a poor reflection on society that the drunk trouble maker walks away not realising the danger he's put everyone in by getting him/herserf that innibriated, whilst the bystanders are the ones who have to diffuse all the potential dangers. The perpetrator doesn't feel any negative effects other than a filthy hangover and a wry grin whilst the retelling of the previous nights events are exposed; the rest of us have to put up with the status quo simply because its the smarter way to do things.
wow. that is your most ridiculous post ever, which is saying something, from start to finish.
Nah, dusty is not feeling any repercussions at all. :wallywink
perhaps start thinking things through rather than just spouting any garbage that fits in your ideology?
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This is just such a joke now.
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You forgot the bit where she threatened to exploit her role in the media and expose his behavior on the 600 news
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WP, appreciate your thoughts but we may have to agree to disagree. If this was your own son would you be supporting a 10 year jail term? If it was murder would you support having your own son suffer capital punishment?
Surely not. Punishment in no way fits the crime, nor does missing any games of AFL and have the club suffer, the fans suffer and the sport. Far too long the media have dictated terms. Never disputing he made a mistake and needs some consequence but I'm not interested in throwing him under a bus like a lot on here. He's one of our own and I don't apologise for supporting him and thinking of his welfare before the welfare of the supposed victim. As I said, the media are against him, there is enough support for the hanging of Dusty it's OK for some RFC supporters to do the opposite. If Dusty commits suicide over this absolute nonsense, who will feel guilty, the media the supporters? Ironic the term 'support'. It's only a matter of time till a sports figure does this, it's not sensationalising anything.
Rose Batty case is an awful one, it was pathetically handled. But you missed my point. On one hand we have serious cases being pushed aside and 'bail' been given to offenders yet the whole country is up in arms about 4 drunken words. What about the little folk who do it 100 times as tough as this 'victim'. Where are the media for these people, the real issues? Why on earth are we supporting Dusty punishment who will end up being an absolute poster lamb to the slaughter against this enormous and disgusting issue of violence against woman. I'm all for doing everything we can to stop this, all for it. But in no way am I supporting Dusty being thrown under a bus to help it's cause over a drunken grumble. Sorry that is not right. If he physically did something, spat, pulled hair or clothing or anything physical well that'd be a different story.
What Dusty has allegedly said, happens all the time, it's not about whether it should be accepted whether it's on Chapel, King or Flinders St or the train lines. Nor do I condone it, I'm just not at all interested in having our best player be thrown under a bus as a scapegoat to make a point that this behaviour is wrong. Dusty is a human being and his well being, as well as the womans, is what is important not the pathetic attempt to make a scapegoat and point. Annoyingly, it seems some supporters have missed the mark IMO.
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Yeah
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Final thoughts WP,
Ask yourself how different the media scourge would be if Dusty actually whacked this woman. At first you think, it would be chaos. People would be asking for season bans, maybe life bans, police would be involved, the woman would be interviewed and be kept anonymous, there would potentially be a picture of Dusty in the back of a divvy van if charged...
Then think, how different is that to what is happening now?
The media would have looooved Dusty to have laid a hand on the 'victim' it would have been the story for the entire off season. Yet they are still treating it as such. I refuse to be a Richmond supporter who feeds this. Thats my point. You may say you aren't either and others as well but it reads like you are. I've read we want Dusty to 'learn his lessons' and 4-6 weeks missing football is adaquete punishment etc.
We must be accountable for our behaviour but we also need to factor in consequences and purpose. How will taking football away from Dusty help the situation at all? You can ban him from going out and drinking but it won't fix the problem. He'll drink by himself. Missing games of footy is pointless and irrelevant punishment.
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I posted the other day and the silence was deafening to be honest but I asked the following
"How would people feel if it was their partner, parents, kids who came home and told you that this had happened to them. Don't think there is too many of us who would say you should have minded your own business, laughed it off or said you deserved it "bitch"."
I get that I am in the minority here but I still think his actions on the night were stupid
In all honesty,
If it were I, a daughter, wife, sister anyone I would be thinking 'Thankfully I'm still here to complain about how poorly some people treat others'
I'd also be highlighting that you steer clear of intoxicated people and let authorities handle their behaviour. We are told at the MCG that any abusive language is to be texted to authorities. Properly handled. Never approach a drunken Collingwood supporter when 10 goals down.
If I'm at a restaurant and someone is being offensive, loud or whatever it isn't rocket science to go to the security guards and say 'Hey this guy has had to much to drink and needs to be removed otherwise we are leaving'.
Common sense.
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When was the last time you were on a train in a lower socio economic area?
I take it your are referring to my comment about Werribee station?
I live out that way so I am well aware of the problems, what goes on.
Actually had a family member involved in an incident a couple of weeks ago but I wont go into the details as I am sure people will just say as she & her son weren't physically harmed it's nothing and they probably deserved it. She reported it to the cops by the way
My "Stupid comment" was in relation the bit I've got highlighted in bold
"Take a trip on the Werribee train line, this happens every... single... day and is recorded.. nothing is done about it."
Your moral crusade is quite touching but let's keep in mind , as far as I know dusty not smashed anyone with a cricket bat. You are flying off an a non relevant tangent. He's a bloke that didn touch a lady. As much as you'd like it to be symbolic of societies long standing issues.
My moral crusade? Please.... I don't think believing that treating people with respect and not advocating violence is a moral crusade. I didn't bring up Rosie Battie - others have. I was responding to that. Why did Pope bring her into his post? Using your logic Pope was "flying off on a non relevant tangent". Unless of course "non relevant tangents" don't apply if one is defending and praising Dusty's behaviour
For mine the footy club can worry about footy and the police can worry about police things. They are people not superheros. As flawed and you or I.as has been pontes out there are dozens or worst acts, by fellow afl people that seemingly go very lightly punished
And I said(if you bothered to actually read what I wrote) that I believe that the actions taken against other players (you know ox's long list) highlights how badly and poorly the AFL & their Clubs handled those situations. They got off lightly
'Nothing is done about it'
It's not a stupid comment WP when you compare it to what is being done about it in the media to Dusty's situation.
Can't deny plenty is being done about the Dusty case. Yet to the numerous occasions that happen on public transport from sexiest, to intimidation to racism nothing is done/mentioned what so ever.
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Only really one question for Rita and it's a question I asked on day 1
And that is ...
If the "victim" was so distraught, anger, scared, terrified then why didn't she go to the cops herself. Why did she wait until work on Monday?
But as Penelope has already pointed out, we may have to thank Rita of this ends up in court as a criminal case, she's done a fantastic job of prejudicing this case :shh
What makes me sick is the 'Violence against Women' brand has been labelled on Dusty. This will stay with him forever. Even if it comes out the woman has lied. You google AFL - Violence against woman and Dusty images will pop up.
I find this awful, based on the fact that the abuse was verbal and drunkenly baseless.
In no way do I condone what Dusty did, no way to I accept violence or abuse - physical or verbal but Dusty is being treated so unfairly and can never be undone.
Stephen Milne case and point, regardless of whether he was guilty or not will always be seen as the 'AFL rapist case'. I'm saddened to think this will be Dusty's label for the rest of his career and it's a heavy label for something I personally has been blown out of the water.
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I'll play devils advocate here and say this. Why is her approaching Martin instead of the cops/management a bad thing? Maybe she had genuinely good intentions of giving him a heads up to pull his head in so someone else didn't end up going to the cops/managment and smearing his name. It was stupid no doubt seeing as Martin was drunk, but surely Martin has to be man enough to think "damn, maybe I am being a bit over the top" and just tone him self down. If he did that chances are no one would of heard a bleep out of this.
Stupid behaviour. Even if it was Mother Teresa bringing up a bottle of water, would anyone in their right mind after 3 shots go. 'Thank you'?
How can you expect a 24 year old, littered with tattoos, to take it well?
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I'll play devils advocate here and say this. Why is her approaching Martin instead of the cops/management a bad thing? Maybe she had genuinely good intentions of giving him a heads up to pull his head in so someone else didn't end up going to the cops/managment and smearing his name. It was stupid no doubt seeing as Martin was drunk, but surely Martin has to be man enough to think "damn, maybe I am being a bit over the top" and just tone him self down. If he did that chances are no one would of heard a bleep out of this.
Stupid behaviour. Even if it was Mother Teresa bringing up a bottle of water, would anyone in their right mind after 3 shots go. 'Thank you'?
How can you expect a 24 year old, littered with tattoos, to take it well?
Oh good, its ok eveybody the real culprit has been idenitifed we can all relax and go about our business. It was the tattoos's!!!
OMFG!!!!!! :banghead :banghead :banghead
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What?
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What?
WTF does the comment "littered with Tattoos" imply?
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Disadvantaged lower class background
Working class hero
Blue collar
Salt of the earth, type
#walrus
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TBH if my daughters came home and told me they asked a drunk man to be quiet I would have told them that that was a very stupid thing to do. Drunk people do not understand reason. There is no point confronting them as long as you have a choice not to. If a drunk person is disturbing you at your gathering then alert management and let them deal with the issue. If they refuse to do anything, my advice would be to leave. People who are drunk or are on drugs often do not know what they are doing. If my daughters did what that Ch7 producer did, I'd be horrified and upset with their stupidity. Imagine if this person was your usual unknown, you would never be able to do anything about it and you just don't know what they were really capable of. And that's the truth.
Imma call you out on that one, I think that's rubbish. You'd support your daughters to the absolute fullest, regardless of the circumstances, like many are calling for the club to do with dusty.
Just one quick point. Whilst I agree with the people needing street smarts, assessing situations, destressing scenarios and avoiding dangerous ones, isn't it a poor reflection on society that the drunk trouble maker walks away not realising the danger he's put everyone in by getting him/herserf that innibriated, whilst the bystanders are the ones who have to diffuse all the potential dangers. The perpetrator doesn't feel any negative effects other than a filthy hangover and a wry grin whilst the retelling of the previous nights events are exposed; the rest of us have to put up with the status quo simply because its the smarter way to do things.
wow. that is your most ridiculous post ever, which is saying something, from start to finish.
Nah, dusty is not feeling any repercussions at all. :wallywink
perhaps start thinking things through rather than just spouting any garbage that fits in your ideology?
Sorry Petunia but I think you missed the mark there. It was more of a general statement about drunks but he was basically saying IF this lady didn't call him out he could of got away without any repercussions. He never said Dusty wasn't feeling any repercussions.
Now whether she should have done it herself or let management/police know is a different story
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I'll play devils advocate here and say this. Why is her approaching Martin instead of the cops/management a bad thing? Maybe she had genuinely good intentions of giving him a heads up to pull his head in so someone else didn't end up going to the cops/managment and smearing his name. It was stupid no doubt seeing as Martin was drunk, but surely Martin has to be man enough to think "damn, maybe I am being a bit over the top" and just tone him self down. If he did that chances are no one would of heard a bleep out of this.
Stupid behaviour. Even if it was Mother Teresa bringing up a bottle of water, would anyone in their right mind after 3 shots go. 'Thank you'?
How can you expect a 24 year old, littered with tattoos, to take it well?
Stupid yes and she should have handled it different IMO. But people are hanging her out to dry and maybe, just maybe, she actually had the best of intentions for Dusty.
But nah #standbydusty #shesanidiotcow #hashtags
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I'll play devils advocate here and say this. Why is her approaching Martin instead of the cops/management a bad thing? Maybe she had genuinely good intentions of giving him a heads up to pull his head in so someone else didn't end up going to the cops/managment and smearing his name. It was stupid no doubt seeing as Martin was drunk, but surely Martin has to be man enough to think "damn, maybe I am being a bit over the top" and just tone him self down. If he did that chances are no one would of heard a bleep out of this.
Stupid behaviour. Even if it was Mother Teresa bringing up a bottle of water, would anyone in their right mind after 3 shots go. 'Thank you'?
How can you expect a 24 year old, littered with tattoos, to take it well?
Stupid yes and she should have handled it different IMO. But people are hanging her out to dry and maybe, just maybe, she actually had the best of intentions for Dusty.
But nah #standbydusty #shesanidiotcow #hashtags
she your mrs or something? had the best interests for dusty?
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She's my daughter.
I don't know whether she did but it's funny seeing the backlash she's copped because Dusty was an idiot. Both are stupid and deserve a whack. Maybe next time the bloke she tells off will do it
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Give her my best
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The story so far :
*Woman is at restaurant and beckons a drunk over to her table to tell him to calm down.
*Drunk unsuspectingly obliges and is met with authoritative belligerence.
*Drunk reacts verbally.No physical contact is made.
*Woman makes official complaint to employer of drunk. (Victim)
(Would you bother if her worked at Coles)
*Woman then launches verbal attack on employer via willing media outlets
Claiming, "The investigation has been seriously flawed." (victim)
*Woman advises AFL by saying - "The AFL need to overhaul their process so the focus is on a victim’s welfare and not the branding of the league.’’
(she certainly has recognised herself as a Victim)
*Woman accuses AFL and RFC of falsifying legal statements.
(Victim)
*Woman continues to elaborate on the 5 seconds in Question -
“I felt heavily leaned on to water down how threatened and intimidated I felt on the night,’’ she told a friend
(Victim)
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Obviously his actions were stupid. Never the less his punishment should be alcohol and anger management councelling and maybe a donation. It's got nothing to do with football, it's about him as a person. That's it. Should be over there, but no, the media have articles day after day calling for his head. It's ridiculous
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Obviously his actions were stupid. Never the less his punishment should be alcohol and anger management councelling and maybe a donation. It's got nothing to do with football, it's about him as a person. That's it. Should be over there, but no, the media have articles day after day calling for his head. It's ridiculous
Agree with that. I actually think a football ban sends the wrong message for him to develop as person. All it does is keep the (media) wolves at bay to suspend him from football.
However, I'm pretty filthy with him for allowing himself to be intoxicated in a public scenario, so a club sanction of some sort is necessary. Not good enough. :thumbsdown
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Its December.
He's in his early twenties.
He can get blotto for all I care.
We don't stuffn own these kids.
We're merely spectators.
Ps. stuff her
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I guess that's where we fundamentally disagree then. A representative of my football club being drunk in public doesn't sit well with me. Especially one of our high-profile (and rather ostentatious) players.
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Reality is, it's not your football club.
That's just a conditioned response on your behalf.
They give not a stuff about you nor I.
They don't ask us for our say on anything.
They just market the stuff out of everything, take our money and never experience success,so we should all enjoy the cast of losers for what and who they are.
Grab the popcorn,!
The game is finished.
Go Storm!!
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Female vultures, picking over the carcass of of dead game.
Typical.
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Can someone explain how this trouble maker has managed to keep her identity secret? How is this even possible
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And yet she's head of the dusty disciplinary committee ...
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Bitch! should've tripped with the chopstick and planted it!
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Can someone explain how this trouble maker has managed to keep her identity secret? How is this even possible
Yeah I'm surprised , will come out soon enough, I reckon
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Tale of troubled Tiger Dustin
Herald-Sun
12 December 2015
IF his off-field life can often be described as chaotic, the same can never be applied to Dustin Martin’s AFL journey, where even before being drafted in 2009 he declared he was “born to play AFL”.
Payview link: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/a-star-on-field-dustin-martins-life-off-the-ground-is-not-so-professional/news-story/1d8f1b2199ce5de4c9b2f1dcf8724b46
Here's the full article:
A star on field, Dustin Martin's life off the ground is not so professional
"IF his off-field life can often be described as chaotic, the same can never be applied to Dustin Martin’s AFL journey, where even before being drafted in 2009 he declared he was “born to play AFL”.
It was a comment that belied a quiet and normally respectful nature, one widely at odds with allegedly threatening a patron with menace, his weapon of choice being a chopstick, in a trendy Melbourne eatery.
That he was correct in his assessment he was born for the AFL was fortuitous given his departure from Castlemaine High School at the end of year 9 suggested a career in academia was unlikely.
But don’t assume he is dumb like one AFL club did in the rigorous pre-draft interviews that sometimes delve into areas that have little or no relevance to whether a young man can succeed in the big time.
He was actually asked “are you dumb?” in a challenging and potentially hurtful moment for a teenager.
Far from being offended by the accusation of potential stupidity, Martin thought the question “fair enough”.
Indeed, he has been on the record in his rare interviews as saying he regrets leaving school so early and is at times embarrassed by it.
A scholar he may not be but there is a brain and it does tick over, although his natural shyness, decision to acquire neck tattoos by age 20 and preference for holiday destinations such as Las Vegas suggest someone who lives very much for the moment.
What happens on his annual end-of-season overseas jaunts with his like-minded Collingwood buddy, Dane Swan, stays on the trip.
Although when travelling to Vegas it’s safe to assume they don’t acquaint themselves historically with the 1855 travels of William Bringhurst and his 29 Mormon missionaries who travelled from Utah to settle in the Las Vegas Valley.
If looking for historical guidance Martin and Swan presumably lean more towards the work of Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky, who helped establish the ca-sino gambling strips that define Vegas.
Certainly, the 24-year-old likes to have a good time, like any young man his age.
But having a good time crossed over into something much darker and more unpredictable in a trendy Windsor restaurant last Saturday night.
Martin spent Friday evening having dinner with close friends and playing with flatmate, former Richmond bad boy, Daniel Connors’ children.
The pair have continued to share digs even though Connors was sacked and Martin suspended for two weeks by Richmond Football Club in 2012 over a prescription drugs issue. The pair had missed a Tuesday training session after taking sleeping pills.
Martin rose early the next day and went for a 3km run before joining up with a group of friends at music festival Stereosonic, which started at noon, at Melbourne Showgrounds.
He was in a relaxed and mischievous mood, having a few drinks and willingly posing up for selfies with fans and sticking his tongue out at the camera in one taken at 1.20pm.
Late afternoon, he was still posing up for pictures but his playful antics were subdued and he could barely muster a smile.
Just before 8.30pm — still sporting his Stereosonic wristband — he turned up with a mate at trendy Mr Miyagi’s restaurant and bar in Chapel St.
A queue snaked outside the restaurant on to the footpath as it did most nights of the week. The food and atmosphere is popular among diners hankering for a taste of the Miyagi Fried Chicken or a roast duck roti wrap.
The two joined the queue where one person said Martin was stumbling on his feet and slurring his words.
“He was extremely erratic and all over the place,” the diner said.
“He wasn’t aggressive at that stage but you could see he wasn’t right — you could see it in his eyes, he was slurring his words and just in space land, not with it at all.”
It wasn’t long before a Miyagi staff member appeared, greeted Martin with a handshake and ushered the two inside.
“They seemed to know each other, and he went straight in, past the queue,” another diner said.
The pair propped at the bar, at the far end of the restaurant, drinking shots of sake — Martin having three in one hour, according to a patron inside. He was seen heading to the bathroom several times in that period.
Another diner said Martin kept bumping into customers as he struggled to keep steady on his feet.
He bought shots of sake for two women having dinner, after repeatedly nudging into them.
Martin started getting rowdy and messing around with a set of chopsticks. It was a difficult spectacle to ignore.
One diner said he began approaching diners, hitting the tables with the chopsticks as though he were playing the drums.
Red-eyed and seemingly only just functioning, he posed for his last selfie of the night at 9.42 — still clutching one of the wooden chopsticks in his right hand. Minutes later, he stuck two chopsticks in his mouth and pretended to be a walrus — with matching sound effects.
Some grinned through gritted teeth then looked away as he moved on to other unsuspecting diners.
Others were not so impressed.
One, a 30-year-old Sydney woman, beckoned him over to her table, immediately behind the bar where he had been drinking. It was 10pm.
She politely pointed out that he was a recognisable face — people knew who he was — and perhaps it was best for him to calm down.
The victim alleges Martin towered over her seat, held a chopstick above her eye and threatened to stab her in the face with it.
“You’re gonna dob on me, are you?” he erupted. “Don’t tell me how to live my life. I’ll f------ kill you’.” He then slammed his open palm into a wall just above her head.
“It was extremely intimidating,” the woman said.
Other diners said Martin exploded with rage.
“He was very aggressive, snarling and swearing,” one said.
Witnesses described Martin’s friend trying to pull him away from the table before a manager stepped in.
They grabbed his arm and led him from the premises, still abusing the woman.
A co-owner of Mr Miyagi’s, who would not give his name, initially denied anything had happened before later admitting: “Something went down.”
“He was here with a mate, just sitting at the bar,” he said after consulting with other co-owners.
“An incident happened, some words were said, something went down and I think the manager went over and he was told it was probably best to leave, or I think he knew he should, and he walked out.”
He denied anything happened with a chopstick or that a wall was hit.
Martin was a regular at the trendy venue and was “a nice guy”.
Mr Miyagi’s bar and restaurant has gone above and beyond its liquor licence requirements by having CCTV cameras — both inside and out — installed.
However, not a single camera was working on the night.
“They’re being upgraded and none of them are working,” the co-owner said.
“They stopped working 10 or 12 days ago. We are getting new ones next week, on the 16th.
“If it happened a week earlier, or a week later, it would have all been on there.”
Martin has apologised to the woman involved and blamed “too much drink” for what happened — not that he can remember any of it.
No matter the outcome of investigations into the incident, there is no denying Martin’s football talent. Some commentators predict it is his on-field behaviour that may save his career.
His progression through junior footy ranks was largely unspectacular until his breakout 2009 season with both the Bendigo Pioneers and Victorian U18 Metro team at the National Championships.
Martin’s coach for Vic Metro was Robert Hyde, highly respected for his work with the Calder Cannons and a former defender with Collingwood won the 1976 Copeland Trophy before knee injuries ruined his career.
“Dustin Martin just came out of the blue in that season. Because he hadn’t been through the system like some of the other boys he hadn’t formed a lot of relationships and his nature was one where he just wanted to play footy, someone who never said much and kept to himself,” said Hyde.
“But he was a good enough kid, no drama. He just came in and did what he was asked to do and never complained. A nice enough young man. He would just sit in the group and plod along until he got his chance to play footy and then he was explosive.
“When you first looked at his body shape he was a bit solid around here and there but he just kept finding the footy.
“I actually thought he might struggle when he went to AFL level because he just used to push off blokes but he does exactly the same thing now. He’s just like a big bull. He puts the old mitt out and off they (his opponents) go.”
In an injury-interrupted career Hyde played with and against a pair of footballers in Sam Kekovich and Tim Watson who he believes Martin resembles: “He has that burst of power that Sam Kekovich and Tim Watson had. But Tim used to sometimes jump over them whereas Dustin just runs through them, an AFL version of All Black legend Jonah Lomu.
“At 187cm he is the same height as Kekovich and a bit taller than Watson (185cm) while he is 5-6kg lighter at 89-90kg. But the increased running in today’s game would mean those two would have to lose weight to adapt.
“Because of his background, Dustin didn’t have a huge tank so we rotated him heavily through the midfield and occasionally forward.
“Like David Rodan he had that sideways step that caused havoc for his opponents. He was a power athlete who was hard to tackle.”
He was all those things in 2009 and remains them today in an on-field career that had progressed to a point where many rate him Richmond’s most lethal weapon. He continues to play the game with brute force yet he plays it largely in a fair fashion.
He has never been rubbed out, his hiccups coming via fines for a two-fingered salute to Collingwood fans in August this year and a handcuff gesture to Carlton supporters in 2013.
Indeed his only suspension came via the club in 2012 when he and then housemate Daniel Connors missed training after sleeping in, resulting in two matches out for Martin and Connors being sacked.
It’s interesting to revisit his draft year and ask a current AFL recruiting person would they have taken Martin both then and now: “He was clearly really, really talented even if there were alarm bells there. Would we have taken him at the time? Probably, although the landscape has changed in six years. And it depends where your club is at.
“You talk through the risk management and if you take him then you bank on your culture to get him through. But if you have a player or players on your list who could be problems, then you mightn’t tempt fate.”
Martin is contracted to Richmond until the end of 2017 although his latest transgression will surely see the Tigers tempted should the right deal come their way in Trade Week next October.
But would they receive full market value?
Martin is now in the same category as Harley Bennell found himself this year after a series of stuff-ups.
The Gold Coast took Bennell with Pick 2 and then five years later, after he proved he could seriously play, got Picks 16 and 35 from Fremantle while giving up 22.
That isn’t great reward for a super talent but that’s what happens when you acquire baggage. It will be the same with Martin should Richmond decide to roll the dice.
That would be a massive call from the Tigers given the extensive work they have put into trying to help Martin become a responsible citizen.
Former President Gary March and his wife Beverley remain both friends and mentors of Martin, although March preferred not to comment this week other than to say his family “support Dustin 100 per cent”.
The Martin believers, such as March and Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams, will continue to support a young man who can be easy to like.
Whether Richmond displays the same belief and patience will be determined by how Martin responds to his latest and most public accusation.
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Chop or stick? The Dustin Martin mess
Jake Niall
The Age
13 December 2015
The Dustin Martin case has turned into a nightmare on Punt Road and Harbour Boulevard because, for various reasons, the police were not involved from the outset.
Regardless of what happens to Martin in the police investigation, there should be – and probably will be – some fallout for the AFL, which needs to rethink how its integrity unit operates. The Martin mess poses the question of when the AFL should wade knee-deep into an allegation, when it should dip the toe into a murky matter and when it should just let a nasty ball go through to Adam Gilchrist.
The choice is not always easy. Complaints will be made, like this one, when the alleged victim doesn't want police involved. In today's world, they cannot be ignored.
But for the AFL to avoid getting caught out means letting balls go and dead batting others and leaving them to police, however imperfect the consequences.
Where should the integrity unit jump in? If the matter has a direct impact on the competition – such as doping and gambling offences – then the AFL can be more proactive and play some shots. Tanking or the Bulldogs-Talia investigation are likewise appropriate matters for the AFL.
An accusation that a footballer has threatened to kill a woman with a chopstick at a restaurant, clearly, belongs in police hands. Had this happened immediately after the allegations were aired, then Richmond and the league wouldn't have found themselves in a pickle. Unfortunately, the woman made her initial complaint to Richmond.
One way to understand better what has gone awry with Martin is to compare this episode with the Majak Daw rape case, in which Daw was investigated, charged and ultimately found not guilty of three counts of raping a girl seven years earlier.
North Melbourne first learnt that Daw might be charged when a journalist phoned the player and asked him if he knew he was under investigation. Daw informed the club, which made two important calls. One was to support the player, pending the outcome of the investigation and any charges. Daw would be treated as innocent until proven guilty. The other call was to do nothing. Daw wasn't disciplined, or hauled before the leadership group. In part, this was because the incident had occurred seven years earlier, two weeks or so after his 16th birthday (the complainant was 15 at the time).
Daw went to court, stood trial and on December 2 – a few days before Martin's mishap – he was cleared by the County Court.
North Melbourne handled the Daw incident deftly, because there was a period of about two weeks between the club learning about the investigation and the charges being laid. They spoke to Daw, but their legal advice was that they should not delve into the matter because, if they did discover certain facts, they could be called to give evidence.
But North's road map was clearer, their position easier to navigate since the complainant went to police, not the club. The underlying problem in the Martin case is that there is a huge gulf between the severity of the allegation – threatening to kill, by a drunken, physically intimidating footballer – and the initial course of action the woman chose, which was to phone the club and seek some (non-criminal) form of redress.
It is entirely understandable that the woman concerned would not want the police involved. Inevitably, a person making serious allegations will be questioned, their credibility probed and, due to the passion of supporters and media interest, abused on social media. There isn't much upside to taking the allegation to police, except that you will be dealing with an investigation without a vested interest in an outcome.
That the woman also happened to be a Channel Seven employee was another complication. In airing the allegation on her employer's nightly news bulletin, she raised the stakes. If she had said Martin was drunken and offensive, but not threatening violence, then the story might have died. Richmond could have disciplined Martin internally, everyone could have moved on.
Martin did issue an apology, which ultimately hasn't sufficed. From what has been reported, the woman is aggrieved by the AFL's investigation, and feels she was being steered towards lenient treatment of Martin. She thinks she's been steered and smeared, perhaps, after Martin was named and shamed. Whatever the truth, it is undeniable that, in the court of public opinion, most people will be inclined to favour a 30-year-old woman over a footballer with Dusty's rugged countenance.
But this doesn't shape as a typical "he said, she said" story because Martin was drunk and his recollections of the incident are suitably dusty. Moreover, the alleged chopstick pointing took place in a relatively public place.
You would think there were enough onlookers to hear and see what happened. Yet on Saturday, a number of facts were still in dispute. CCTV footage would be handy here.
Richmond cannot take action on Martin until the police have done their business. If he's charged, they'll have to respect that process, too – as North did with Daw – and let him play on, pending the verdict.
In a sense, Richmond is off the hook for a while, because the ball has been taken away and handed to the police. The club can only wait and hope and recommend a QC to Dusty.
So the case could well drag on. We might not have neat and tidy outcomes either – Martin could be cleared, and the woman might still be filthy and seeking redress.
For the AFL and the clubs, this should be moment to redefine when, where and how the game should deal with delicate allegations, particularly those that are on the edge of criminal conduct (threatening to kill is more serious). They also need a clearer guide for handling an allegation when the complainant doesn't want to make trouble for herself/himself.
Brand protection is always a factor, unfortunately. All organisations are self-serving and will act in their own perceived self interest.
An enlightened sporting body, though, recognises that any attempt to "protect the brand" that misfires will cause far greater carnage to the brand. Surely the AFL understands that now.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/chop-or-stick-the-dustin-martin-mess-20151212-glm4cn.html
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It's time for the AFL to walk the talk, says White Ribbon
Larissa Nicholson
The Age
13 December 2015
AFL players charged with violence against women should be stood down from playing or training until the matter is resolved, White Ribbon Australia says.
Chief executive Libby Davies made it clear she could not comment on individual players or cases, but speaking in general terms she said the AFL still had a way to go to demonstrate consistency on these matters, regardless of the quality of the player.
She said any example of men using domineering or controlling behaviour against women needed to be addressed quickly.
"It's up to the AFL to demonstrate they're walking the talk," she said. "Clubs and the AFL must make a decisive stance of zero tolerance of violence against women."
Richmond star Dustin Martin has been in the spotlight this week, after allegations he stood over a woman and threatened to stab her in the eye at Japanese restaurant Mr Miyagi last Saturday night.
After investigating, the AFL announced on Thursday it would refer the matter to Victoria Police.
Their delay in doing so became the subject of some criticism, with questions raised over what authority the league had to examine the case.
Martin trained as usual with his teammates on Friday.
North Melbourne player Majak Daw was recently found not guilty of rape charges after having played and trained with the club while he waited for his court case to begin.
He was de-listed at the end of the 2015 season and the club picked him up again in the 2016 pre-season rookie draft.
When asked about whether the AFL would consider standing down players who faced charges of violence against women, a league spokesman said he could not comment.
He said although Davies was not speaking about any particular case, any view the AFL offered at this time would be judged in relation to Martin.
"There is a current matter that is being investigated by the police, due to its serious nature," he said.
"The AFL doesn't believe it is appropriate to be commenting around this issue while the police go through their investigation to determine what has occurred."
Davies said some clubs had been much more proactive than others in educating their players and staff about violence against women. She said within the AFL the Western Bulldogs was a leader in this area.
She said sporting clubs were a microcosm of society and they could play a significant role in mitigating men's violence against women and preventing it from happening.
"The men in sporting codes are heroes to many young men across Australia," she said.
Davies said players needed to live up to what was expected of them as role models.
"It's a big ask, but it goes along with the territory," she said.
Davies said most footballers managed to behave appropriately towards women, but it was still an issue which came up time and again.
She said when a woman made a complaint or raised an issue regarding a man's violent or threatening behaviour, it must be treated with the seriousness it deserved, especially given how difficult it could be to come forward.
This included dealing with the matter quickly, she said.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/its-time-for-the-afl-to-walk-the-talk-says-white-ribbon-20151212-glm25a.html
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Chaotic of field life :rollin
What 20 year old hasn't gone to see live music and written themselves off?
No one here has ever slept in?
I didn't even bother reading the above crap.
Queue circus music.....
Such nonsense :banghead
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This is a witch hunt
and imv Dustin was targeted from the onset
The media is unrelenting here and no one has come in to bat for the kid yet
By the time anything is done it will be too late the public have already been convinced of a verdict with fair trial
Even listening to Dangerfield comments last week as if affirming the allegations were accurate and correct before any findings...#corruptafl
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There it is..
The WP's of this world would be happy now
White ribbon has had their say. Bless..
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This is a witch hunt
and imv Dustin was targeted from the onset
The media is unrelenting here and no one has come in to bat for the kid yet
By the time anything is done it will be too late the public have already been convinced of a verdict with fair trial
Even listening to Dangerfield comments last week as if affirming the allegations were accurate and correct before any findings...#corruptafl
And when you have a supposed RFC legend like KB handing out a 12 month ban up front what hope is there
Selfish little twit
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This is a witch hunt
and imv Dustin was targeted from the onset
The media is unrelenting here and no one has come in to bat for the kid yet
By the time anything is done it will be too late the public have already been convinced of a verdict with fair trial
Even listening to Dangerfield comments last week as if affirming the allegations were accurate and correct before any findings...#corruptafl
And when you have a supposed RFC legend like KB handing out a 12 month ban up front what hope is there
Selfish little twit
I think it has been pretty poor form from the journos who are meant to be Tigers people too.
If the police lay no charges then it would be sweet revenge for Dusty to sue everyone for defamation.
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This is a witch hunt
and imv Dustin was targeted from the onset
The media is unrelenting here and no one has come in to bat for the kid yet
By the time anything is done it will be too late the public have already been convinced of a verdict with fair trial
Even listening to Dangerfield comments last week as if affirming the allegations were accurate and correct before any findings...#corruptafl
refresh my memory mate was bock playing at the crows with danger?
sit down danger you flog and worry about your own backyard champ
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I think Blue Ribbon would chirp in and state that it is much healthier that Martin remain involved with the club during the investigation for his own personal mental well-being.
Pretty unfair to claim guilt before innocence; though it is often standard practice for people to be suspended/stood down with pay whilst investigations go on; removing a player from the club environment isn't healthy just like removing an employee from the work environment has been proven to be dangerous for the individual during an investigation process such as this.
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How many women get bashed, proper messed up in Australia per day?
1000?
10000?
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How many women get bashed, proper messed up in Australia per day?
1000?
10000?
Whats that got to do with the price of fish?
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No weeks long news story on any of these violent perpetrators. Funny that.
Only the neck tattoo, minority, son of a biker being grilled for not laying a finger on this slag
And Aaron shall place lots upon the two he goats: one lot "For the Lord," and the other lot, "For Azazel. (for absolute removal)"
— Leviticus, Leviticus 16:8
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No weeks long news story on any of these violent perpetrators. Funny that.
Only the neck tattoo, minority, son of a biker being grilled for not laying a finger on this slag
And Aaron shall place lots upon the two he goats: one lot "For the Lord," and the other lot, "For Azazel. (for absolute removal)"
— Leviticus, Leviticus 16:8
brodie holland and bock just wouldnt get the same publicity aye?
scum bags
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This is a witch hunt
and imv Dustin was targeted from the onset
The media is unrelenting here and no one has come in to bat for the kid yet
By the time anything is done it will be too late the public have already been convinced of a verdict with fair trial
Even listening to Dangerfield comments last week as if affirming the allegations were accurate and correct before any findings...#corruptafl
And when you have a supposed RFC legend like KB handing out a 12 month ban up front what hope is there
Selfish little twit
KB can get stuffed and pee off back into exile.
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By the same token we can't automatically dismiss what she has said either. Don't like how it was handled. The insults getting hucked on her on here are just proving their cause and are over the top. To play devils advocate, I have seen plenty of cocky blokes go to water without a punch being thrown when confronted so I have no difficulty believing that she might of felt genuinely frightened if he did threaten her. If it was my missus or nieces and they were threatened, I would of run a bar stool over the back of his head. Anyway, I think everyone should calm the stuff down and let it run it's course. None of us were there.
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I don't get the Analogy
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stuff off white ribbon opportunists.
Here's one for YA - so many women get bashed because they're stuffn idiots.
Deal with it
It's time for the AFL to walk the talk, says White Ribbon
Larissa Nicholson
The Age
13 December 2015
AFL players charged with violence against women should be stood down from playing or training until the matter is resolved, White Ribbon Australia says.
Chief executive Libby Davies made it clear she could not comment on individual players or cases, but speaking in general terms she said the AFL still had a way to go to demonstrate consistency on these matters, regardless of the quality of the player.
She said any example of men using domineering or controlling behaviour against women needed to be addressed quickly.
"It's up to the AFL to demonstrate they're walking the talk," she said. "Clubs and the AFL must make a decisive stance of zero tolerance of violence against women."
Richmond star Dustin Martin has been in the spotlight this week, after allegations he stood over a woman and threatened to stab her in the eye at Japanese restaurant Mr Miyagi last Saturday night.
After investigating, the AFL announced on Thursday it would refer the matter to Victoria Police.
Their delay in doing so became the subject of some criticism, with questions raised over what authority the league had to examine the case.
Martin trained as usual with his teammates on Friday.
North Melbourne player Majak Daw was recently found not guilty of rape charges after having played and trained with the club while he waited for his court case to begin.
He was de-listed at the end of the 2015 season and the club picked him up again in the 2016 pre-season rookie draft.
When asked about whether the AFL would consider standing down players who faced charges of violence against women, a league spokesman said he could not comment.
He said although Davies was not speaking about any particular case, any view the AFL offered at this time would be judged in relation to Martin.
"There is a current matter that is being investigated by the police, due to its serious nature," he said.
"The AFL doesn't believe it is appropriate to be commenting around this issue while the police go through their investigation to determine what has occurred."
Davies said some clubs had been much more proactive than others in educating their players and staff about violence against women. She said within the AFL the Western Bulldogs was a leader in this area.
She said sporting clubs were a microcosm of society and they could play a significant role in mitigating men's violence against women and preventing it from happening.
"The men in sporting codes are heroes to many young men across Australia," she said.
Davies said players needed to live up to what was expected of them as role models.
"It's a big ask, but it goes along with the territory," she said.
Davies said most footballers managed to behave appropriately towards women, but it was still an issue which came up time and again.
She said when a woman made a complaint or raised an issue regarding a man's violent or threatening behaviour, it must be treated with the seriousness it deserved, especially given how difficult it could be to come forward.
This included dealing with the matter quickly, she said.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/its-time-for-the-afl-to-walk-the-talk-says-white-ribbon-20151212-glm25a.html
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* lol
I do not subscribe to the above view point
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There it is..
The WP's of this world would be happy now
White ribbon has had their say. Bless..
There it is again Angus either twisting what I've said, putting words in my mouth or making an assumption as to what I think.
Yes I support the work of White Ribbon, they do good work; exceptionally good work
Now having read the article again, they are suggesting that a person charged, should be stood down from playing and training, not those being investigated.
Do I agree with that?
Actually Angus no I don't, don't believe it is workable once it becomes a criminal matter it becomes a different ball game if you like. Once The legal system takes over we need to respect that. And as a result an footballer must be afforded the same rights as any other person in society. What White Ribbon is suggesting clearly goes against that principle so I don't agree with it
So again please don't assume to know what I think or my opinion because you are usually a long way off the mark
Although I stand by what I said about dusty being a moron and saying he should be punished for his behaviour, now it is in the hands of the police the Club & AFL are right in not doing anything. They can't as Jake Niall says in his article.
Actually Jake Niall's article is are ally good one, if people bothered to actually read it for what it is rather than prejudging it. Think he nails a number of things
IMV if the RFC & AFL had acted swiftly, issued a penalty rather than making stupid statements and worrying about protecting their collective "brands" this whole thing would have been over in 24-48 hours. But no they didn't, the showed again their main focus is brand protection and look where it's got us.
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By the same token we can't automatically dismiss what she has said either. Don't like how it was handled. The insults getting hucked on her on here are just proving their cause and are over the top. To play devils advocate, I have seen plenty of cocky blokes go to water without a punch being thrown when confronted so I have no difficulty believing that she might of felt genuinely frightened if he did threaten her. If it was my missus or nieces and they were threatened, I would of run a bar stool over the back of his head. Anyway, I think everyone should calm the stuff down and let it run it's course. None of us were there.
Good post Owl, very wise indeed :thumbsup
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G'day Bruce.
Hello Bruce.
Is your name Bruce?
We will call you Bruce to stop confusion
This ere, is the wattle
The emblem of our 'land
You can a stick it in a bott'e
Or 'old it in yet hand
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Anyone know the progress of this stuffen investigation :huh
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Latest word has Martin apparently considering quitting football for Rugby Union - New Zealand seriously looking at him for their seven-a-side Olympic squad. Don't blame him really.....
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* lol
I do not subscribe to the above view point
Either do I but its true.
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Latest word has Martin apparently considering quitting football for Rugby Union - New Zealand seriously looking at him for their seven-a-side Olympic squad. Don't blame him really.....
At last a real alternative, go for it Dusty, get the f away from this fish bowl media circus/AFL wankathon
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Latest word has Martin apparently considering quitting football for Rugby Union - New Zealand seriously looking at him for their seven-a-side Olympic squad. Don't blame him really.....
Wouldn't blame him if true, the character assassination has been appalling.
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What?
WTF does the comment "littered with Tattoos" imply?
God forbid guys have tattoo's. Worse still, imagine if he had visible piercings?
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What?
WTF does the comment "littered with Tattoos" imply?
God forbid guys have tattoo's. Worse still, imagine if he had visible piercings?
Mine are only visible if you dack me
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Latest word has Martin apparently considering quitting football for Rugby Union - New Zealand seriously looking at him for their seven-a-side Olympic squad. Don't blame him really.....
Wouldn't blame him if true, the character assassination has been appalling.
Absolutely pathetic if true, with an attitude like that he'd last 2 minutes in any all blacks side. I don't agree with how he's being treated but that's the media. HTFU
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:lol
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If some bs mammoth penalty like 12+ was imposed , wouldn't surprise me. Doubt it would be his first choice, gotta remember this guy is an introvert ,extremely shy, breaking new Ground wouldn't be high on his agenda
I'm backing the best legal eagles in the business will help hose this down that we can limit the penalty to 2-3 for being out on the pee and out of control
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Latest word has Martin apparently considering quitting football for Rugby Union - New Zealand seriously looking at him for their seven-a-side Olympic squad. Don't blame him really.....
Wouldn't blame him if true, the character assassination has been appalling.
Absolutely pathetic if true, with an attitude like that he'd last 2 minutes in any all blacks side. I don't agree with how he's being treated but that's the media. HTFU
Kidding yourself tough guy
no one needs to put up with that poo, not to that extent
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Ch 7 news tried to interview Dusty at the airport on the way to flying up to Cairns for the training camp. The reporter asked, "What do you think the appropriate punishment should be?", to which Dusty replied, "Don't know".
They also said Dusty could be facing "threat to kill" and "threat with a weapon" charges which both carry jail terms.
Going by the report, nothing will be determined over the next week while Dusty and the rest of the team are training up in Cairns. In Ch 7's words - "the only heat Martin will be feeling this week is the heat of North Queensland".
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King threatened to Kill someone...but that was a male.....it doesn't matter if u threaten a male
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No undue delay in Dustin Martin probe, AFL says
Nat Edwards
afl.com.au
December 13, 2015 2:07 PM
THE AFL has denied it took too long to ask police to investigate allegations that Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin threatened a woman with chopsticks.
The alleged incident occurred last Saturday at a restaurant on Chapel Street, Windsor.
The League's integrity unit was made aware of the allegation last weekend and launched its own probe into the incident, before referring it to police five days later.
AFL general manager of clubs and operations, Travis Auld, defended the League's decision not to involve the authorities immediately.
Dusty trains as police begin investigation of allegations
"We acted on it as soon as we were made aware of it," Auld said on Sunday.
"These things do take some time. It's really important that we have a due process in place and that each of the parties get an opportunity to be heard.
"That can take a number of days. In this case, three to four days isn't a significant time for an issue like this, and now it's in the right hands."
The woman has alleged Martin threatened to stab her in the face with chopsticks before slamming his hand against a wall behind her head.
Martin has telephoned the victim to apologise, admitting he was drunk at the time of the incident.
The AFL will wait for the police investigation to be completed before issuing any sanctions of its own against Martin.
"We won't prejudge where this will end up," Auld said.
"But what I will say if there has been violence against a female or threats made against a female, the AFL will act really strongly against that."
The League is unclear on when Victoria Police will complete their investigation.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-13/no-undue-delay-in-dustin-martin-probe-afl-says
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(http://s15.postimg.org/atjrbmi3v/image.jpg)
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Any damage to the wall?
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Or his hand? I doubt he slammed the wall behind her head and can't wait for the independent accounts to hit the media
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What?
WTF does the comment "littered with Tattoos" imply?
God forbid guys have tattoo's. Worse still, imagine if he had visible piercings?
Mine are only visible if you dack me
All hail Prince Albert
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Threat with a weapon... Lol
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To the Herald Sun and The Age web editors- it has been at least 5 hours since either of you have published a Dusty opinion piece. I want more uninformed articles and I want them now!
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Should we run a book on what he gets?
Crucifixion 200:1 (It is christmas after all ;) )
Beheading by Daesh Jihadi nutter 100:1
2 years hard labor no parole 50:1
Banishment to Brisbane Lions to improve their wins. 25:1 (Hmm thats pretty high odds, the AFL might actually manufacture this)
2 Weeks suspension 1.50:1
A fine and a sorry interview 1.25:1 (Why am I always reminded of that comedy show sports start apology interviews)
Other 1.02:1
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I heard it was a Chapstick
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Latest word has Martin apparently considering quitting football for Rugby Union - New Zealand seriously looking at him for their seven-a-side Olympic squad. Don't blame him really.....
Wouldn't blame him if true, the character assassination has been appalling.
Absolutely pathetic if true, with an attitude like that he'd last 2 minutes in any all blacks side. I don't agree with how he's being treated but that's the media. HTFU
Kidding yourself tough guy
no one needs to put up with that poo, not to that extent
No one needs to but in modern sport it commonly happens.
It's at the high end but I'd argue any high profile sportsman makes a blue and the media are right onto it.
If he reckons it's bad here, NZ is 10 times worse.
In fact, I'd argue it's worse in the 2 team States SA & WA.
His behaviour - like it or not - would attract the same scrutiny in any code for any club.
Leaving won't make the problem go away.
It's not about being a tough guy, right or wrong - that's how it works in modern, professional sport.
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By the same token we can't automatically dismiss what she has said either. Don't like how it was handled. The insults getting hucked on her on here are just proving their cause and are over the top. To play devils advocate, I have seen plenty of cocky blokes go to water without a punch being thrown when confronted so I have no difficulty believing that she might of felt genuinely frightened if he did threaten her. If it was my missus or nieces and they were threatened, I would of run a bar stool over the back of his head. Anyway, I think everyone should calm the stuff down and let it run it's course. None of us were there.
Pointless post. What does it matter how any average Joe acted.
The media have started a witch hunt. There is enough devils advocates writing news articles. Any danger of showing supporting a player of our own? Pathetic.
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By the same token we can't automatically dismiss what she has said either. Don't like how it was handled. The insults getting hucked on her on here are just proving their cause and are over the top. To play devils advocate, I have seen plenty of cocky blokes go to water without a punch being thrown when confronted so I have no difficulty believing that she might of felt genuinely frightened if he did threaten her. If it was my missus or nieces and they were threatened, I would of run a bar stool over the back of his head. Anyway, I think everyone should calm the stuff down and let it run it's course. None of us were there.
Good post Owl, very wise indeed :thumbsup
Very wise? You have to be kidding me? Running a bar stool over the back of someones head 'Very wise indeed'? That is as a stupid comment as I've ever heard.
Yet you want to hang a bloke for getting drunk and making a stupid comment but glorify barbaric retaliation. FFS....
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Threats to kill....
Can we bring up Kevin Sheedy's throat slicing from years ago. Where was the investigation and media circus then? Any charges? Has he served his 10 year jail sentence yet?
Idiots.
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Since Dusty is part Maori he probably called it a Chupstuck. Duvustated ... just duvustated ... :P
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I don't usually get involved in these sort of topics because I'm definitely a little old school when it comes to some things.
I must admit I don't think what Dusty did is nearly as bad as some are making out. And to hear a club legend like KB saying what he has makes me sick.
If he had of just told the bird to "stuff off and mind her own business" would we still be hearing what we have or is it because he threatened to stab her?
I know it's not great but does anyone really think that's what Dusty meant? To actually stab her??
It was just a drunk idiot reacting to a girl that was sticking her nose in where she new it would get a reaction. Tell the waiter, tell the manager but if you want to confront a drunk guy be ready for what might come back. Male or female...
Dusty has said he was sorry to the young lady, the club should make him pay a fine to a charity and we should move on.
The world is going mad if they think he should get much more than that IMO.
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From the Legal Aid website:
Violent behaviour
Violent behaviour is any behaviour that causes another person any injury to the body that interferes with a person’s health or comfort, or that places them in fear of being injured. The injury only has to be slight – it can include pain or bruising.
Violent behaviour is an offence and can carry very serious penalties.
If you are charged with an offence relating to violent behaviour get legal advice quickly.
You don’t have to make physical contact with someone to be charged with a violence-related offence. Placing a person in fear that you will be violent towards them can also be an offence, including:
* threatening to harm someone
* being physically intimidating, such as standing over someone.
It does not matter whether you intend to harm the other person or not, as long as you intend them to believe that you will.
Charges
If you commit a violent act, the crime you’re charged with will depend on:
* the injuries suffered by the victim
* what you meant to happen (your intention)
* what you should have realised would happen as a result of your actions.
Common charges relating to violent behaviour include:
* assault, including sexual assault, unlawful assault and common assault
* affray (a violent disturbance of the peace)
* causing injury or serious injury
* homicide, including manslaughter and murder
* aggravated burglary
* robbery (theft with violence or the threat of violence)
* threats to kill
* threats to inflict serous injury.
Which court hears the charges depends on how serious the charge is. The Supreme Court hears cases where someone has died as a result of a violent act.
Penalties
Penalties for committing acts of violence include fines, imprisonment, diversion programs (https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/find-legal-answers/going-to-court-for-criminal-charge/possible-outcomes-for-criminal-offences/diversion-programs), penalties that you serve in the community, such as community corrections orders (https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/find-legal-answers/going-to-court-for-criminal-charge/possible-outcomes-for-criminal-offences/community-corrections-orders)or intensive correction orders, and paying compensation to your victim/s.
If the victim withdraws their complaint will the police drop the charges against me?
Not necessarily. The police will listen to your victim’s reasons for withdrawing the complaint against you, but once charges are laid it’s up to the police to decide whether they should be dropped. Police will usually decide based on whether there is enough evidence without your co-operation. Get legal advice.
What will the court take into account when deciding the penalty for my charge?
The court looks at a number of factors, including:
* what you intended or what you should have realised would happen as a result of your actions
* your police record, if you have one
* the severity of any injuries sustained
* whether you plead guilty
* whether you are remorseful (sorry) about what you did
* if you have a problem with violence, such as a history of family violence, whether you’ve been to any counselling to help you manage your violent behaviour.
Penalties for violent acts range from fines to community-based orders to imprisonment.
https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/find-legal-answers/criminal-offences/violent-behaviour
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Legal aid.
LMAO
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By the same token we can't automatically dismiss what she has said either. Don't like how it was handled. The insults getting hucked on her on here are just proving their cause and are over the top. To play devils advocate, I have seen plenty of cocky blokes go to water without a punch being thrown when confronted so I have no difficulty believing that she might of felt genuinely frightened if he did threaten her. If it was my missus or nieces and they were threatened, I would of run a bar stool over the back of his head. Anyway, I think everyone should calm the stuff down and let it run it's course. None of us were there.
Good post Owl, very wise indeed :thumbsup
Very wise? You have to be kidding me? Running a bar stool over the back of someones head 'Very wise indeed'? That is as a stupid comment as I've ever heard.
Yet you want to hang a bloke for getting drunk and making a stupid comment but glorify barbaric retaliation. FFS....
lol have a sook ya poonce. I don't like how she handled everything but I would smash your stuffing face in if you threatened my missus or called her a slag, hard to understand? I take it you would just stand there and wet your pants or gush because it was Dusty, maybe buy him a beer?
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U all talk poo.
If it was ur mrs, you'd be embarrassed because she made a idiot herself just like this one did.
"I'd bash someone if they did it to my daughters or wife "
Lmaooooooooo
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By the same token we can't automatically dismiss what she has said either. Don't like how it was handled. The insults getting hucked on her on here are just proving their cause and are over the top. To play devils advocate, I have seen plenty of cocky blokes go to water without a punch being thrown when confronted so I have no difficulty believing that she might of felt genuinely frightened if he did threaten her. If it was my missus or nieces and they were threatened, I would of run a bar stool over the back of his head. Anyway, I think everyone should calm the stuff down and let it run it's course. None of us were there.
Good post Owl, very wise indeed :thumbsup
Very wise? You have to be kidding me? Running a bar stool over the back of someones head 'Very wise indeed'? That is as a stupid comment as I've ever heard.
Yet you want to hang a bloke for getting drunk and making a stupid comment but glorify barbaric retaliation. FFS....
lol have a sook ya poonce. I don't like how she handled everything but I would smash your stuffing face in if you threatened my missus or called her a slag, hard to understand? I take it you would just stand there and wet your pants or gush because it was Dusty, maybe buy him a beer?
If your misses called me over , and interrupted my sushi / aquatic animal act. To rant its crap;
If tell you to put your slag wife/granma/daughter back on its leash. Come at me big boy
Somehow I reckon you talk big but would poo yourself if dusty had a go at ya runty ass
#dontargue
#walrus
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What's wrong with the Hun? Run out of crap to write?
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U all talk poo.
If it was ur mrs, you'd be embarrassed because she made a idiot herself just like this one did.
"I'd bash someone if they did it to my daughters or wife "
Lmaooooooooo
look at the person your with not at a drunk guy, and especially dont call him over to your table to read him the riot act.
#watchedhimgointothetoilet :birthday :birthday
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If I had a scrag who did that, I'd tell him to slap the idiot and then go have a line with him
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:lol
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I don't usually get involved in these sort of topics because I'm definitely a little old school when it comes to some things.
I must admit I don't think what Dusty did is nearly as bad as some are making out. And to hear a club legend like KB saying what he has makes me sick.
If he had of just told the bird to "stuff off and mind her own business" would we still be hearing what we have or is it because he threatened to stab her?
I know it's not great but does anyone really think that's what Dusty meant? To actually stab her??
It was just a drunk idiot reacting to a girl that was sticking her nose in where she new it would get a reaction. Tell the waiter, tell the manager but if you want to confront a drunk guy be ready for what might come back. Male or female...
Dusty has said he was sorry to the young lady, the club should make him pay a fine to a charity and we should move on.
The world is going mad if they think he should get much more than that IMO.
Yep just spot on in my book BT. No issue with gender, no scapegoating. He stuffed up, apologised, his drinking needs to be addressed and can help the cause for violence against woman or anyone by being doing some good community service to raise awareness. A few papers have been sold over this, now it's time to ensure the well being of both beings and simply move on. Regardless whether someone was intimidated or threatened is Dusty a threat to this woman now? No. Move on.
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It was a Chapstick.
Some perspective please....
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By the same token we can't automatically dismiss what she has said either. Don't like how it was handled. The insults getting hucked on her on here are just proving their cause and are over the top. To play devils advocate, I have seen plenty of cocky blokes go to water without a punch being thrown when confronted so I have no difficulty believing that she might of felt genuinely frightened if he did threaten her. If it was my missus or nieces and they were threatened, I would of run a bar stool over the back of his head. Anyway, I think everyone should calm the stuff down and let it run it's course. None of us were there.
Good post Owl, very wise indeed :thumbsup
Very wise? You have to be kidding me? Running a bar stool over the back of someones head 'Very wise indeed'? That is as a stupid comment as I've ever heard.
Yet you want to hang a bloke for getting drunk and making a stupid comment but glorify barbaric retaliation. FFS....
lol have a sook ya poonce. I don't like how she handled everything but I would smash your stuffing face in if you threatened my missus or called her a slag, hard to understand? I take it you would just stand there and wet your pants or gush because it was Dusty, maybe buy him a beer?
If your misses called me over , and interrupted my sushi / aquatic animal act. To rant its crap;
If tell you to put your slag wife/granma/daughter back on its leash. Come at me big boy
Somehow I reckon you talk big but would poo yourself if dusty had a go at ya runty ass
#dontargue
#walrus
stuffing twelve year olds both you and ox
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and your big man thatd deck dusty in a sushi diner :clapping
do you take your white glove to challenge people to duels on a night on the town>
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:pillowfight
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and your big man thatd deck dusty in a sushi diner :clapping
do you take your white glove to challenge people to duels on a night on the town>
when did they change your meds to the tuff talks?
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Calm down everyone.
Nobody is running a chair over anybody. Not on my watch.
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Ive been reading a lot of feminism - equally and all that jazz
if owls misses starts acting rude in public does that give him a right to go around snotting people? I think not
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and your big man thatd deck dusty in a sushi diner :clapping
do you take your white glove to challenge people to duels on a night on the town>
Oh look the emaciated little druggie poonce is squaring up to me! Please stop peoples poet, you are tearing me apart. Do yourself a favor and sit the stuff down junior burger, you are embarrassing us all.
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and your big man thatd deck dusty in a sushi diner :clapping
do you take your white glove to challenge people to duels on a night on the town>
Oh look the emaciated little druggie poonce is squaring up to me! Please stop peoples poet, you are tearing me apart. Do yourself a favor and sit the stuff down junior burger, you are embarrassing us all.
:clapping
that was beautiful Shakespear'
'peoples poet' is a bit much
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And for the record if he threatened my missus, I would give it my best shot, yes
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and your big man thatd deck dusty in a sushi diner :clapping
do you take your white glove to challenge people to duels on a night on the town>
Oh look the emaciated little druggie poonce is squaring up to me! Please stop peoples poet, you are tearing me apart. Do yourself a favor and sit the stuff down junior burger, you are embarrassing us all.
:clapping
that was beautiful Shakespear'
'peoples poet' is a bit much
I stole it
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leave the spear shaking to Adam or there will a demarcation issue
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And for the record if he threatened my missus, I would give it my best shot, yes
good on you Rambo - however maybe you should pull her in line and tell her to stop watching how many times he goes for a slash / a line before embarking on your suicide mission
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This is a Hoot
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It is a change from the hysteria at least. I thought it was a cave full of stuffing banshees when I checked in earlier
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Let's leave it at that please people.
Back on topic.
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And for the record if he threatened my missus, I would give it my best shot, yes
Does he mean, he'd
A - pick a fight with Martin
B - Just belt him
C - Grab a chapstick and slam it onto a wall
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That would be sillier than what Dusty did.
Picking a fight to defend the Honor of a cow slag (. The ch 7 employee )
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Dunno us 12 year olds better go discuss with our fishing buddies , translate tese vile threats
Ten year in the old bill
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By the way, what was the outcome of the charges laid against the lady who 'actually' assaulted someone (a cop no less) on Melbourne cup day?
(http://cdn.arn.com.au/media/6750038/melbourne-cup.jpg)
Just on Ch7 news she has been charged with assault and wilful damage
Faces court in Feb 2016
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well blow me down with a feather who would have thought. The wankers in blue finally got their hand off it, or they have been reading OER.
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Ch 7 news tried to interview Dusty at the airport on the way to flying up to Cairns for the training camp. The reporter asked, "What do you think the appropriate punishment should be?", to which Dusty replied, "Don't know".
They also said Dusty could be facing "threat to kill" and "threat with a weapon" charges which both carry jail terms.
Going by the report, nothing will be determined over the next week while Dusty and the rest of the team are training up in Cairns. In Ch 7's words - "the only heat Martin will be feeling this week is the heat of North Queensland".
They going to throw every drunk who ever threatened another person in jail?
Give us a break.
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By the same token we can't automatically dismiss what she has said either. Don't like how it was handled. The insults getting hucked on her on here are just proving their cause and are over the top. To play devils advocate, I have seen plenty of cocky blokes go to water without a punch being thrown when confronted so I have no difficulty believing that she might of felt genuinely frightened if he did threaten her. If it was my missus or nieces and they were threatened, I would of run a bar stool over the back of his head. Anyway, I think everyone should calm the stuff down and let it run it's course. None of us were there.
Good post Owl, very wise indeed :thumbsup
Very wise? You have to be kidding me? Running a bar stool over the back of someones head 'Very wise indeed'? That is as a stupid comment as I've ever heard.
Yet you want to hang a bloke for getting drunk and making a stupid comment but glorify barbaric retaliation. FFS....
lol have a sook ya poonce. I don't like how she handled everything but I would smash your stuffing face in if you threatened my missus or called her a slag, hard to understand? I take it you would just stand there and wet your pants or gush because it was Dusty, maybe buy him a beer?
Very wise. Very wise indeed.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Will also add, the Manhatten yesterday when an all in brawl broke out between patrons after the McGregor v Aldo fight. Was chaos..
All parties walked away before the cops showed up. Video footage here
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/patrons-at-ringwoods-manhattan-hotel-in-wild-brawl-after-conor-mcgregor-wins-ufc-194/news-story/b30b775a580f36c4804daeb00737081f
Entertaining. Police were late to the scene. No charges laid. Nothing will be done about this ofcourse. Plus this happens quite a bit. Yet we have a pack of idiots on here, in the media and in society that wants to lock Dustin Martin up for 10 years over a drunken rumble.
If you look close enough I think Owl is in there somewhere...
For anyone who is looking for my point, this is actual assault. Yet nothing is done or deal is made. Yet we've all had to put up with the media circus, scathing attacks from club legends and some idiot posters over a drunken slur.
Right or wrong, get some perspective of the worlds problems.
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Better footage of the brawl here.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/30357948/wild-bar-brawl-breaks-out-in-melbourne-after-mcgregor-v-aldo-ufc-title-fight/?cmp=fb
Police were late to scene. Apparently were tied up trying to piece together the Dustin Martin terrorist attack in a sushi bar.
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Police were late to scene. Apparently were tied up trying to piece together the Dustin Martin terrorist attack in a sushi bar.
#chopsticksofmassdestruction
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Where is the brawl footage? all I saw was some funniest home videos of clowns slapping at each other and darting away like startled fish, the odd gutless hyena sneak going a distracted target....
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Will also add, the Manhatten yesterday when an all in brawl broke out between patrons after the McGregor v Aldo fight. Was chaos..
All parties walked away before the cops showed up. Video footage here
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/patrons-at-ringwoods-manhattan-hotel-in-wild-brawl-after-conor-mcgregor-wins-ufc-194/news-story/b30b775a580f36c4804daeb00737081f
Entertaining. Police were late to the scene. No charges laid. Nothing will be done about this ofcourse. Plus this happens quite a bit. Yet we have a pack of idiots on here, in the media and in society that wants to lock Dustin Martin up for 10 years over a drunken rumble.
If you look close enough I think Owl is in there somewhere...
For anyone who is looking for my point, this is actual assault. Yet nothing is done or deal is made. Yet we've all had to put up with the media circus, scathing attacks from club legends and some idiot posters over a drunken slur.
Right or wrong, get some perspective of the worlds problems.
Ramble, not rumble
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Dustin Martin case gives AFL perfect chance to launch violence against women round
David Polkinghorne
The Age
15 December 2015
The cousin of alleged murder victim Tara Costigan says alcohol is only an excuse for violence against women and believes the AFL should be making more noise about the issue in the wake of allegations against Richmond star Dustin Martin.
It comes on the back of White Ribbon Australia's call for any AFL player charged with violence against women to be stood down from playing or training.
Nathan Costigan and his family gathered on Sunday for the christening of Tara's daughter Ayla, which was a "gut-wrenching experience to watch a little girl get baptised without her mum".
Tara's murder case against Marcus Rappel, where Rappel was accused of killing her with an axe in February, was still before the courts.
The Tuggeranong Hawks coach said one thing jumped out about the coverage of the Martin case, which the AFL referred to police after investigating allegations the Richmond midfielder had threatened a woman with a chopstick in a Melbourne restaurant last Saturday week.
Costigan said there were repeated references that Martin had been drinking at a music festival before the incident, but he said alcohol was irrelevant when it came to violence against women.
He said using alcohol as an excuse simply covered over the real reasons.
"One thing that I've learnt, and the Domestic Violence Crisis Service will back me up until the cows come home, is [alcohol] doesn't trigger it – it's already there," Costigan told Fairfax Media.
"That's just an out because that has nothing to do with it and I used to be someone that thought that ... I've found out the last 12 months it's totally not true.
"Don't just jump straight to grog and drugs and everything else because that just covers the real problem ... the problem lies within," he said.
Costigan was unsure about what punishment the AFL should impose if Martin was found to have threatened the woman.
Richmond legend Kevin Bartlett suggested a 12-month ban from the AFL, while Costigan thought community service, which included talking to people about violence against women, was an alternative.
But Costigan did think it provided the perfect opportunity to be vocal about the issue.
It's not the only case involving violence against women the AFL has been involved in.
Fremantle Dockers fan Cody Yarran received an eight-month jail term two weeks ago, after he was found guilty of striking a woman at an AFL match in September.
Costigan felt the off-season provided the AFL with the perfect platform to be vocal about a problem felt right across Australia.
He called for the AFL to introduce a themed round to raise awareness about domestic violence and violence against women in September and still felt that was a good idea.
"Why not take the opportunity – the second incident in three months – to really perk it up," Costigan said.
"At the moment domestic violence has a massive following. I think they'd be getting on a very big horse ... and by the time the season starts people would be right behind it."
Canberra's Thoroughbred Park hosted the Tara Costigan Foundation race day on Sunday, helping to raise money and awareness for Tara's Angels – personal caseworkers to help victims rehabilitate.
White Ribbon is a male-led campaign to end men's violence against women.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-martin-case-gives-afl-perfect-chance-to-launch-violence-against-women-round-20151213-glmcyf.html
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Dust-up exposes double standards
“BUSINESS as usual for Dusty”. Last Friday’s afl.com.au headline tells us everything we need to know about society’s attitude towards violence against women. The message is clear. Disgraced Richmond player Dustin Martin is allowed to keep training as usual while allegations of violence against him are being investigated by the AFL and the police."
Paywall: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/susie-obrien/dustin-martin-row-exposes-double-standards-on-attitudes-to-violence/news-story/ffc3881ea2f2dbcf70f2dfee689837cd
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There it is..again
This is becoming a farce. White ribbon has entered the race as the board obviously see a big chance to line their pockets further for their "not for profit" organisation
Jeff Kennett, Rosie Batty, and George Pell to speak soon about this tragedy
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Is violence against women bigger than violence against men ? That's sexist.. What happened to gender equality ? I'm going to start an organisation .. Gender equality - but only when they want it.
This whole thing stinks of the Adam Goodes saga. Everyone in the media proving they aren't sexist and really stand for violence against women to not be tolerated, just as they stood for 'racism' to not be tolerated. Bunch of scared manipulated rats with no courage to publish the truth.
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Women who cop violence usually provoked some muthfukka. Lol
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Why blame society when you can blame dusty?
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White ribbon tosser 1: but he apparently did not touch her?
White ribbon tosser 2: yes, but he got tramp stamps and is a famous minority
Homosapians hae been battering females fi tens thousand years. It's a bit complex isn't it. Let pin it on dusty
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That article by David Polkinghorne made me laugh.
Alcohol has nothing to do with violence and/or is no excuse for violence.
This guy must live in a bubble.
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He must have missed the Darwin prison musical on sbs last week too
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Is violence against women bigger than violence against men ? That's sexist.. What happened to gender equality ? I'm going to start an organisation .. Gender equality - but only when they want it.
This whole thing stinks of the Adam Goodes saga. Everyone in the media proving they aren't sexist and really stand for violence against women to not be tolerated, just as they stood for 'racism' to not be tolerated. Bunch of scared manipulated rats with no courage to publish the truth.
Seriously? You think there's an issue of violence against men FROM WOMEN? I'm sure there is SOME, but let's not kid ourselves... violence against women is far more significant of an issue than violence against men, and even more damning is that violence against men is mostly performed by other men - not women.
The VAST majority of domestic violence is inflicted on females by their male counterparts.
http://www.domesticviolence.com.au/pages/domestic-violence-statistics.php
I'm all for equality myself, but there is a huge issue that needs to be addressed when it comes to the attitude of men towards women.
Gender equality is one thing. Don't confuse it with 'gender sameness'. Men are far more prone to violent acts than women. It's hormonal...
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Is violence against women bigger than violence against men ? That's sexist.. What happened to gender equality ? I'm going to start an organisation .. Gender equality - but only when they want it.
This whole thing stinks of the Adam Goodes saga. Everyone in the media proving they aren't sexist and really stand for violence against women to not be tolerated, just as they stood for 'racism' to not be tolerated. Bunch of scared manipulated rats with no courage to publish the truth.
Seriously? You think there's an issue of violence against men FROM WOMEN? I'm sure there is SOME, but let's not kid ourselves... violence against women is far more significant of an issue than violence against men, and even more damning is that violence against men is mostly performed by other men - not women.
The VAST majority of domestic violence is inflicted on females by their male counterparts.
http://www.domesticviolence.com.au/pages/domestic-violence-statistics.php
I'm all for equality myself, but there is a huge issue that needs to be addressed when it comes to the attitude of men towards women.
Gender equality is one thing. Don't confuse it with 'gender sameness'. Men are far more prone to violent acts than women. It's hormonal...
No. But why does it matter about the stuffen gender ? That's what peees me off. No ones stopping women learning self defence... Going to the gym.. Getting beefed up. What if it was ronda rousey that he threatened ? He may have a broken nose instead... Women only want equality when it suits them.
And before someone says ' oh they shouldn't have to learn self defence or gain muscle ' well that's the world we live in, for males included. I know when I was a kid I got taught how to defend myself.
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I'd like to make a mockumentary about PC fksicks and show the similarities between catholic brainwashing rubbish and PC rubbish.
Follow some around for a month and watch how their opportunistic minds work.
That would be the end of them :lol
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Is violence against women bigger than violence against men ? That's sexist.. What happened to gender equality ? I'm going to start an organisation .. Gender equality - but only when they want it.
This whole thing stinks of the Adam Goodes saga. Everyone in the media proving they aren't sexist and really stand for violence against women to not be tolerated, just as they stood for 'racism' to not be tolerated. Bunch of scared manipulated rats with no courage to publish the truth.
Seriously? You think there's an issue of violence against men FROM WOMEN? I'm sure there is SOME, but let's not kid ourselves... violence against women is far more significant of an issue than violence against men, and even more damning is that violence against men is mostly performed by other men - not women.
The VAST majority of domestic violence is inflicted on females by their male counterparts.
http://www.domesticviolence.com.au/pages/domestic-violence-statistics.php
I'm all for equality myself, but there is a huge issue that needs to be addressed when it comes to the attitude of men towards women.
Gender equality is one thing. Don't confuse it with 'gender sameness'. Men are far more prone to violent acts than women. It's hormonal...
No. But why does it matter about the stuffen gender ? That's what peees me off. No ones stopping women learning self defence... Going to the gym.. Getting beefed up. What if it was ronda rousey that he threatened ? He may have a broken nose instead... Women only want equality when it suits them.
And before someone says ' oh they shouldn't have to learn self defence or gain muscle ' well that's the world we live in, for males included. I know when I was a kid I got taught how to defend myself.
It sounds like you don't blame men for violence against women, nor Dusty for this incident with the woman in question?
What you're doing is victim-shaming.
Women, on average, possess 40% of the upper body strength of men. Therefore a woman learning to defend herself from the violence of a man isn't a simple thing, nor should it ever be necessary (but certainly encouraged IMO). They shouldn't have to go to the gym to get stronger and learn martial arts so that they can feel safe around men, and to suggest such a thing is truly misogynistic!
If if you truly think that we live in a society where the onus is on women to prevent violence from men then society itself needs to change on a larger scale. It is NEVER acceptable and it is NEVER the victim's fault that they have been subjected to violence.
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As the last part of my posts suggests, violence in general is a part of the world we live in. Men and women should learn self defence because it's likely they'll encounter some violence in their life. Upper body strength has nothing to do with it if taught correctly, but let's not get into that. I 100% agree dusty was in the wrong with what he did. BUT all this BS just because she's a woman just does my head in. Would it be news if the person was a man ? Women have all the rights and all the opportunities to learn self defence.. Educated themselves about socially dangerous situations and so forth as men. It's almost is if this woman is saying ' I'm a woman I should be treated above men'
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Yes but women also have 90% more mouthing off capacity to compensate for their lack of upper body strength.
It's the way God balanced it out that makes people angry :rollin
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Bump
Interestingly i was told the other day that the highest rate of domestic violence was female against female. I didnt believe it but i found studies which have indicated this.
http://www.advocate.com/crime/2014/09/04/2-studies-prove-domestic-violence-lgbt-issue
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yeah thought id seen something along those lines recently.
Interestingly, none of the cases where men have been punched from behind and died havn't received the same attention as this.
I suppose to many of these commentators, a man's life is not that important to them?
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If they act like blokes talk like blokes then they should expect to be treated like blokes.But thats not the agenda they want. Equality to them is to emasculate us and make us be like them. They think they can be aggressive and think they can say what they like with impunity, im sorry girls in a blokes world it dont work like that.
So much for gender equality eh. They need to realise equality comes at a price.
Most of my mates wont tolerate poo from anyone, get in their face and they will smack you one.Most blokes understand this and accept it.Act like a stuff wit get put in your place. Its time the little ladies understood what equality means in some things.
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As the last part of my posts suggests, violence in general is a part of the world we live in. Men and women should learn self defence because it's likely they'll encounter some violence in their life. Upper body strength has nothing to do with it if taught correctly, but let's not get into that. I 100% agree dusty was in the wrong with what he did. BUT all this BS just because she's a woman just does my head in. Would it be news if the person was a man ? Women have all the rights and all the opportunities to learn self defence.. Educated themselves about socially dangerous situations and so forth as men. It's almost is if this woman is saying ' I'm a woman I should be treated above men'
Some times our gov bombs kids too for poos and giggles
Better talk about dusty and kardaashian instead better news
#chopstickwalrus
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As the last part of my posts suggests, violence in general is a part of the world we live in. Men and women should learn self defence because it's likely they'll encounter some violence in their life. Upper body strength has nothing to do with it if taught correctly, but let's not get into that. I 100% agree dusty was in the wrong with what he did. BUT all this BS just because she's a woman just does my head in. Would it be news if the person was a man ? Women have all the rights and all the opportunities to learn self defence.. Educated themselves about socially dangerous situations and so forth as men. It's almost is if this woman is saying ' I'm a woman I should be treated above men'
No no no its not. We are controlled by the doo gooder brigade and violence does not exist for them and If it doesnt exist for them it doesnt exist for us. Chill out Simo we are all gunna be okay the do gooders tell us so and thats despite man kind just going thru its most violent century in history..We have become sophisticated dont you know lol
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Is violence against women bigger than violence against men ? That's sexist.. What happened to gender equality ? I'm going to start an organisation .. Gender equality - but only when they want it.
This whole thing stinks of the Adam Goodes saga. Everyone in the media proving they aren't sexist and really stand for violence against women to not be tolerated, just as they stood for 'racism' to not be tolerated. Bunch of scared manipulated rats with no courage to publish the truth.
Seriously? You think there's an issue of violence against men FROM WOMEN? I'm sure there is SOME, but let's not kid ourselves... violence against women is far more significant of an issue than violence against men, and even more damning is that violence against men is mostly performed by other men - not women.
The VAST majority of domestic violence is inflicted on females by their male counterparts.
http://www.domesticviolence.com.au/pages/domestic-violence-statistics.php
I'm all for equality myself, but there is a huge issue that needs to be addressed when it comes to the attitude of men towards women.
Gender equality is one thing. Don't confuse it with 'gender sameness'. Men are far more prone to violent acts than women. It's hormonal...
No. But why does it matter about the stuffen gender ? That's what peees me off. No ones stopping women learning self defence... Going to the gym.. Getting beefed up. What if it was ronda rousey that he threatened ? He may have a broken nose instead... Women only want equality when it suits them.
And before someone says ' oh they shouldn't have to learn self defence or gain muscle ' well that's the world we live in, for males included. I know when I was a kid I got taught how to defend myself.
It sounds like you don't blame men for violence against women, nor Dusty for this incident with the woman in question?
What you're doing is victim-shaming.
Women, on average, possess 40% of the upper body strength of men. Therefore a woman learning to defend herself from the violence of a man isn't a simple thing, nor should it ever be necessary (but certainly encouraged IMO). They shouldn't have to go to the gym to get stronger and learn martial arts so that they can feel safe around men, and to suggest such a thing is truly misogynistic!
If if you truly think that we live in a society where the onus is on women to prevent violence from men then society itself needs to change on a larger scale. It is NEVER acceptable and it is NEVER the victim's fault that they have been subjected to violence.
What violence did dusty inflict in the victim,,,such terror that she felt compelled to call her employer 5 days earlier than the police learnt of it , to ensure they had an exclusive headline story for the 600 news . ::)
Give me a break, this is blatant opportunism and these demands that DM be punished short of any charges being made, seriously what kinda civil rights abuse is that . :o
I've felt flatter than a Peking duck since this story broke and the HS aren't helping
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Only a stuffn idiot would want him punished for this.
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Second hand info however, I'm a lead to believe that the terrified victim followed the heated exchange with a nice desert , tiramisu or sticky date pudding.
Ansolutely terrified, Actions speak louder than words ::)
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Sugar.
The last refuge of a scoundrel....
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Do we all really think it bothers Dusty that much?
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Limp :rollin
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Has the Maori called his lawyer yet?
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Ah stuff it lets just hang him for awhile dont let him die though. then lets draw him freakin painful that and bound to end ya life. Then for good measure to appease those sensitive do gooders , lets quarter him and send a segement to each part of the country just to let those who dont conform know we mean business.
To those of us who think its all going to the dogs. You better get off your fat lazy arses and at least voice your disapproval . It wont be long before you wont even be able to fart out loud.
IN THE AGE OF EQUALITY THERE IS JUST ONE PRINCIPAL.
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TigerArmy Facebook page has posts with rumours that the bird called Dusty an 'effing' maggot and insulted his Dad.
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Excellent!!
Bwahahhaaa
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AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/boos/3947066-susie-o-brien-on-the-run-home
O’Brien: Business isn’t as usual for Dusty
John Takemura
SEN
15 Dec 2015, 05:51PM
The seriousness of Dustin Martin’s alleged indiscretions mean it shouldn’t be ‘business as usual’ for the Richmond star, says Susie O’Brien.
In her article for today’s Herald Sun she suggests such headlines explain everything we need to know about society’s attitude towards violence against women.
“We’ve heard Brendon Gale talking about extremely serious behaviour and yet he’s training in Queensland,” fumed O’Brien on SEN Radio.
“I don’t think it should be business as usual, because we know that something happened and we’re still working out exactly what.
“Something happened for him to apologise, enough happened for him to make a public statement about it."
She says that while everyone has the right to innocence, allowing Martin to go on the Tigers pre-season camp to the Gold Coast sends a terrible message.
“Obviously it’s innocent until proven guilty but we know something happened, we know that he’s not completely innocent because he’s come out and admitted it,” said O’Brien.
“There’s footage of him being escorted out of that restaurant, there are numerous witnesses. It’s not like nothing happened and what worries me is everybody’s acting like nothing at all happened.
“He’s allowed to go about his business while this investigation is happening elsewhere, he should be suspended and I think that Richmond should already be setting out some of the penalties that may apply.
“I think that it sends entirely the wrong message for them to be ‘business as usual’ for Dusty, our mate Dusty while something this serious has happened.”
O’Brien also hit out at the AFL for the way they have investigated the case, suggesting they wanted it to suit themselves.
“I think that people did genuinely feel that there was a bit of a sense they were trying to keep it in house and only three or four days later did they go to the police,” she said.
“Clearly if you have allegations of this serious nature, I think there’s a general feeling that the police should’ve been brought in earlier.
“There’s also some allegations from the woman ‘Tracey’ that the AFL leaned on her and put pressure on her to water down her claims and some of the stuff that she’s come out saying is very concerning.
“The AFL can’t investigate itself and they may need to go elsewhere at that point someone from outside their organisation to look at what transpired, in terms of the way she was treated.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/12-15/o-brien-business-isn-t-as-usual-for-dusty#0sOCTLIJYIPmLqu5.97
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According to Herald-Sun journo Mick Warner on 3aw:
"I would not be surprised if the police found no evidence and dusty will play round 1".
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-144#post-42336571
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No Susie O'brien what isn't a good look is you and your wanker mates demanding punishment and denying him due process. If he is found to have no case to answer you can't shove the poo back in the donky so how do you un punish him?
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Why the hell is the AFL, Richmond and Dusty being accused of not going to the police quick enough? That's the victim's responsibility. Richmond have handled this superbly IMO. Waits to gather evidence themselves before going early, refers to police probably confident in no case to answer, and when the police don't press charges they will come out and say that the process has been enough of a punishment and they'll make him answer internally in a way that doesn't impact footy.
Hope he also sues the HS for defamation. The way they have gone after him has been pathetic.
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TigerArmy Facebook page has posts with rumours that the bird called Dusty an 'effing' maggot and insulted his Dad.
Loved to know how she did that seeing his Dad wasn't there :lol
That's the problem with rumours :rollin
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TigerArmy Facebook page has posts with rumours that the bird called Dusty an 'effing' maggot and insulted his Dad.
Loved to know how she did that seeing his Dad wasn't there :lol
That's the problem with rumours :rollin
His father doesn't have to be there to be insulted
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TigerArmy Facebook page has posts with rumours that the bird called Dusty an 'effing' maggot and insulted his Dad.
Loved to know how she did that seeing his Dad wasn't there :lol
That's the problem with rumours :rollin
I think you can insult a persons parent without their presence WP. The insult is directed towards their son/daughter.
Anyway it is all rumour and scuttlebutt which is exactly what has been forgotten here.
The only thing we know for certain here is that Dusty was drunk and their was a confrontation. Dusty has apologised for that. The rest is unsubstantiated and Dusty has not been formally charged yet. What happened to the presumption of innocence here? Why should he be punished when there are others in the AFL who have been accused of far worse crimes that are still unnamed and continue to train at Hawthorn? Why isn't the media demanding that they step down until their investigation is finished?
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I refuse to believe a Facebook rumor until I see it corroborated on Big Footy.
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According to Herald-Sun journo Mick Warner on 3aw:
"I would not be surprised if the police found no evidence and dusty will play round 1".
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-144#post-42336571
GOOD!!!!! :thumbsup
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No Susie O'brien what isn't a good look is you and your wanker mates demanding punishment and denying him due process. If he is found to have no case to answer you can't shove the poo back in the donky so how do you un punish him?
But why worry about the The Westminster system;
democratic parliamentary government model, assumption of innocence and all that when we have the bat Shyte media a white ribbon?
Long live Rosie batty our lord and saviour
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Long live Rosie batty our lord and saviour
Have no idea why you and others keeps bringing up Rosie Batty, she hasn't made on comment on this case
She doesn't run White Ribbon, she didn't establish it so why the need to whack her
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Long live Rosie batty our lord and saviour
Have no idea why you and others keeps bringing up Rosie Batty, she hasn't made on comment on this case
She doesn't run White Ribbon, she didn't establish it so why the need to whack her
Because he is actually Andrew Bolt?
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Yeah I share identical belief system to the South African...
Good try
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With every passing day, this "woman" looks like a bigger idiot
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the media beat up is sickening.
the only thing he is currently guilty of is being drunk in a public place & being that pre season is underway that may be outside team rules....
ppl calling for punishment now simply want blood, it's still under investigation by the police... James Hird was never stood down pending an investigation & that case was before the Courts (fair further along than this case is atm) & he was & still is by law not guilty until proven otherwise!
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the media beat up is sickening.
the only thing he is currently guilty of is being drunk in a public place & being that pre season is underway that may be outside team rules....
ppl calling for punishment now simply want blood, it's still under investigation by the police... James Hird was never stood down pending an investigation & that case was before the Courts (fair further along than this case is atm) & he was & still is by law not guilty until proven otherwise!
Huge difference with the Hird scenario, his court case was a civil matter not a criminal one
But I get your point
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Wait till a kid is born with three heads
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You been out tom-catting again Bents?
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Na but pay some attention to the drug cheating saga
See when the deformed kids start popping out from the wives of the 34
#redacted
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AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/boos/3947066-susie-o-brien-on-the-run-home
O’Brien: Business isn’t as usual for Dusty
John Takemura
SEN
15 Dec 2015, 05:51PM
The seriousness of Dustin Martin’s alleged indiscretions mean it shouldn’t be ‘business as usual’ for the Richmond star, says Susie O’Brien.
In her article for today’s Herald Sun she suggests such headlines explain everything we need to know about society’s attitude towards violence against women.
“We’ve heard Brendon Gale talking about extremely serious behaviour and yet he’s training in Queensland,” fumed O’Brien on SEN Radio.
“I don’t think it should be business as usual, because we know that something happened and we’re still working out exactly what.
“Something happened for him to apologise, enough happened for him to make a public statement about it."
She says that while everyone has the right to innocence, allowing Martin to go on the Tigers pre-season camp to the Gold Coast sends a terrible message.
“Obviously it’s innocent until proven guilty but we know something happened, we know that he’s not completely innocent because he’s come out and admitted it,” said O’Brien.
“There’s footage of him being escorted out of that restaurant, there are numerous witnesses. It’s not like nothing happened and what worries me is everybody’s acting like nothing at all happened.
“He’s allowed to go about his business while this investigation is happening elsewhere, he should be suspended and I think that Richmond should already be setting out some of the penalties that may apply.
“I think that it sends entirely the wrong message for them to be ‘business as usual’ for Dusty, our mate Dusty while something this serious has happened.”
O’Brien also hit out at the AFL for the way they have investigated the case, suggesting they wanted it to suit themselves.
“I think that people did genuinely feel that there was a bit of a sense they were trying to keep it in house and only three or four days later did they go to the police,” she said.
“Clearly if you have allegations of this serious nature, I think there’s a general feeling that the police should’ve been brought in earlier.
“There’s also some allegations from the woman ‘Tracey’ that the AFL leaned on her and put pressure on her to water down her claims and some of the stuff that she’s come out saying is very concerning.
“The AFL can’t investigate itself and they may need to go elsewhere at that point someone from outside their organisation to look at what transpired, in terms of the way she was treated.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/12-15/o-brien-business-isn-t-as-usual-for-dusty#0sOCTLIJYIPmLqu5.97
This stupid bitch is having a go at Richmond and the afl about business as usual which is a stuffing headline her stupid paper came up with. The average mug punter understands the headline is often very different to the actual article, wtf is she writing a whole indignant piece on a stuffing headline?
This is about as low as it gets for journalism, wow I cannot believe this bitch gets airtime on sen now as well
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Journalist is a moron
Saying sorry is PR 101
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the media beat up is sickening.
the only thing he is currently guilty of is being drunk in a public place & being that pre season is underway that may be outside team rules....
ppl calling for punishment now simply want blood, it's still under investigation by the police... James Hird was never stood down pending an investigation & that case was before the Courts (fair further along than this case is atm) & he was & still is by law not guilty until proven otherwise!
Huge difference with the Hird scenario, his court case was a civil matter not a criminal one
But I get your point
all true but an investigation is an investigation.
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What kind of bigot would impose sanctions short of any charges being laid , that kinda civil rights abuse was alive and well in the 50s
She's a stone cold ........
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Like cattle ...
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Swimmers doing journalism. Lmao
Swimmers doing social commentary, period.
Lmao
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Lmao at White ribbon, femmo cows and PC poofs
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Dog with a bone :nopity
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Martin could learn from women's AFL league: Kennelly
Friday, December 18, 2015
Source: SportsFan
Author: Daron Jacks
Tadhg Kennelly gets excited about the future of female footy and the positive impact it's going to have on the game
Sydney premiership player Tadhg Kennelly says the introduction of a women’s AFL league will showcase and teach AFL players how to behave towards females.
Kennelly took a particular swipe at Richmond star Dustin Martin, who is under police investigation for threatening to stab a female diner with a chopstick at a restaurant.
“It helps Dustin Martin realise things that he shouldn’t be doing,” Kennelly said.
“And (to) realise the impact that females are having on people’s lives and the impact that, yes, you can be an ambassador for White Ribbon – and that’s just an ambassador’s role – but you actually see the day-to-day impact of what they’re doing in the game.”
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/martin-could-learn-from-womens-afl-league-kennelly/tabid/91/newsid/183273/default.aspx?cid=SF_LOWDOWN_AFL_article_martincouldlearnfromwomensaflleaguekennelly_181215
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Martin could learn from women's AFL league: Kennelly
“And (to) realise the impact that females are having on people’s lives and the impact that, yes, you can be an ambassador for White Ribbon – and that’s just an ambassador’s role – but you actually see the day-to-day impact of what they’re doing in the game.”
Yeh, Righto idiot.
After a dollar. TK?
stuff off back to Ireland and start a women's Gaelic comp and stfu.
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but you actually see the day-to-day impact of what they’re doing in the game.”
Should say this -
but you actually see the day-to-day impact of what they’re doing TO the game.”
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Back on the boat Irishman
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This is gunna be hilarious when no charges are laid :rollin
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Now, surely this isn't the same Tadgh Kennelly who, at age 25, dacked a teammate in front of 400 minors at a Catholic Girls School???
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/prank-backfires/2006/02/10/1139465822765.html
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Now, surely this isn't the same Tadgh Kennelly who, at age 25, dacked a teammate in front of 400 minors at a Catholic Girls School???
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/prank-backfires/2006/02/10/1139465822765.html
Nice.
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Now, surely this isn't the same Tadgh Kennelly who, at age 25, dacked a teammate in front of 400 minors at a Catholic Girls School???
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/prank-backfires/2006/02/10/1139465822765.html
yessssssssssssssss Dookster :clapping
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X3
Stick to being the token idiot
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it's token 'feckin eeejit'. Have you never seen Father Ted?
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it's token 'feckin eeejit'. Have you never seen Father Ted?
Feck off, cup!
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Hasn't inspector Morse wrapped up this case yet.
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DRINK! GIRLS!
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Ted: ...OK, one last time. These are small... but the ones out there are far away. Small... far away... ah forget it!
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"They say it's as big as four cats, and has a retractable leg so it can leap up at you better, and it lights up at night and it's got four ears, two are for listening and the other two are kind of back up ears, and it's claws are as big as cups and for some reason it's got a tremendous fear of stamps. Mrs Doyle was telling me it's got magnets on it's tail, so if you're made of metal it can attach itself to you, and instead of a head it's got four arses"
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stuffn coppers solve murders within 48 hours and they can't work out
this one.
What a corrupt country.
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:lol
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the media beat up is sickening.
the only thing he is currently guilty of is being drunk in a public place & being that pre season is underway that may be outside team rules....
ppl calling for punishment now simply want blood, it's still under investigation by the police... James Hird was never stood down pending an investigation & that case was before the Courts (fair further along than this case is atm) & he was & still is by law not guilty until proven otherwise!
Huge difference with the Hird scenario, his court case was a civil matter not a criminal one
But I get your point
A huge difference as in 1 is an investigation into a drug lab injecting regime involving 20+ young men with illegal and dangerous substances
and the other
a drunken verbal comment?
Why the lack of support behind our club and player WP? Seem all you have done is play devils advocate. I'm all up for protecting woman against violence but it is clear as day that the media and public figures are using Dusty as a scapegoat for the cause. Bleedingly obvious. I'm not interested in throwing him under a bus from an obvious mistake.
Where was this hysteria when Jurrah belted his Mrs with a metal pole?
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I have a question/a hypothetical if you will. Perhaps the posters on this site would feel free to engage.
The evidence is so damning and clear cut against Martin as presented by the mainstream media. So we are led to believe. So why would it be taking such a duration of time to press any charges if it's so straight forward? Is this normal?
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I have a question/a hypothetical if you will. Perhaps the posters on this site would feel free to engage.
The evidence is so damning and clear cut against Martin as presented by the mainstream media. So we are led to believe. So why would it be taking such a duration of time to press any charges if it's so straight forward? Is this normal?
Maybe because the coppers are too busy solving real crimes like murders, assaults and robberies and will get to the lesser crimes like walrus imitation and chopsticks wielding a bit later?
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'Channel,seven have stfu.
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Drunken comment to a rude slappr
Vs
Banned ped horse juice, could cause cancer deformed kids ...
#standbymaori
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A huge difference as in 1 is an investigation into a drug lab injecting regime involving 20+ young men with illegal and dangerous substances
and the other
a drunken verbal comment?
"illegal" substances? There was no investigation into "illegal" substances. It was an investigation into "banned" substances under a sporting drug code. Again there is a massive difference right there. Hird was never investigated for taking banned substances because under the WADA code he couldn't be, as a coach taking a banned substance isn't an offence. Is that parto fo the code right? Absolutely not but they are the rules. Hird wasn't stood down because the EFC didn't have the guts to do it.
His pointless legal action was not a criminal matter, he wasn't on trial; it was a civil one so right or wrong; like it or not it not even remotely close to this "chopstick" gate
Where was this hysteria when Jurrah belted his Mrs with a metal pole?
Last time I checked Jurrah ended up in jail for that "effort" as well as other acts of violence against women.. so not the best example I wouldn't have thought
Why the lack of support behind our club and player WP? Seem all you have done is play devils advocate.
I support Dusty, but I am not going to sit here and say he didn't do a completely stupid, idiotic, moronic thing. I am not going to sit here a say he is the sole victim here because he isn't. 3-4 weeks into pre-season he goes out and gets himself so smashed he can't remember what he did or didn't do, that's not smart, that's stupid
He deserves to punished for being a an idiot. Do I believe he should cop 12 months, 15 games? No but he needs to cop some sort of whack.
If it was a player that people on here can't stand or a bloke in our bottom 10 and folks want out of the club I doubt the support would be there. The posts would be "sack him"
Forgive me for not excusing his behaviour simply because he is one of best players. In this situation all players should be treated the same..
As for "our" club. The Club has handled this abysmally.
It should have been over and done with after 72 hours but no; not our club. Oh way!
If "our" club had of come out, whacked said player, punished him with the obligatory fine (max $5k per the CBA), banned him from the pre-season comp and a H&A games, this would have been over so quickly. No cops, no media lynching, no hysteria. But no the good 'ole Tigers had Dan Richardson be flippant, Benny Gale say nothing for days when normally you can't shut him up... and where are we now???
talk about stupidity 101
So yeah I am peeved with the Club, they have let Dusty down and they've let the members down (again) by handling it in such a way that they put our club in a position where it is getting whacked over and over.
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Drugs na for use on humans, being used on humans doesn't sound too legal to me
With possible side affects including cancer and retarted babies
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Cleared by police.
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RICHMOND’S Dustin Martin will not face any police action for threatening to stab a woman with a chopstick.
The Herald Sun understands Martin has been told police will no longer pursue the criminal matter after the woman involved decided not to make a statement.
The woman said she wanted to protect herself from being identified at any potential future court hearing.
But she said the AFL and Richmond should now press ahead with their inquiry which she has co-operated with.
She said the league needed to take a tough stand against men who behaved aggressively towards women.
Martin has apologised to the woman over the incident at Chapel St’s trendy Mr Miyagi earlier this month.
A Victoria Police statement said: “Detectives from Stonnington Criminal Investigation Unit have conducted an extensive investigation after reports a woman was threatened by a man at a Chapel Street restaurant in Windsor on 5 December.”
“After reviewing CCTV footage and speaking to all parties involved, including numerous independent witnesses at the restaurant on the night, investigators determined that no criminal offence took place.
“Police take all reports of violence towards women seriously and investigate all complaints thoroughly.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/police-will-not-take-action-against-richmonds-dustin-martin-over-threats-against-woman/news-story/0bd9906c04ffd8e60721016415f5fdf2
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No police action against Richmond’s Dustin Martin over chopstick threat
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RICHMOND’S Dustin Martin will not face any police action for threatening to stab a woman with a chopstick.
The Herald Sun understands Martin has been told police will no longer pursue the criminal matter after the woman involved decided not to make a statement.
The woman said she wanted to protect herself from being identified at any potential future court hearing.
But she said the AFL and Richmond should now press ahead with their inquiry which she has co-operated with.
She said the league needed to take a tough stand against men who behaved aggressively towards women.
Martin has apologised to the woman over the incident at Chapel St’s trendy Mr Miyagi earlier this month.
A Victoria Police statement said: “Detectives from Stonnington Criminal Investigation Unit have conducted an extensive investigation after reports a woman was threatened by a man at a Chapel Street restaurant in Windsor on 5 December.”
“After reviewing CCTV footage and speaking to all parties involved, including numerous independent witnesses at the restaurant on the night, investigators determined that no criminal offence took place.
“Police take all reports of violence towards women seriously and investigate all complaints thoroughly.”
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BREAKING: Richmond's Dustin Martin avoids police action over chopstick threat. trib.al/SZNw42K
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Ch7 just reported it as well
Ch7 also said the RFC & AFL are now "free" to hand Martin punishment for his behaviour
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Im tippin the nab cup off no real season punishment
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Im tippin the nab cup off no real season punishment
Disagree
With the AFL involved, reckon he will miss a H&A game
They will come over the top like they did in the Carlisle punishment
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My take reading between the lines.
So police interview independent witnesses and don't proceed. No case to answer.
The Hun ( which is part of the same organisation as the woman making the complaint works for) reports that the woman decides not to make a statement. Why? Because her statement, if the same as her previous statements, would be at odds with all the witnesses, therefore opening her up for criminal charges against her for perjury. As it stand Dusty may now have a case for defamation.
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Why would we punish him if he hasn't broken any law?
Threatening to kill someone is breaking the law. So the police must have found he didn't actually do that.
defamation anybody?
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Hahahahahahaha classic. WP you still thinks he deserves a punishment?? :thumbsup
Never read anything that those fools in Rita and O'brien write in future. Ooh and That Irish bloke :lol
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My take reading between the lines.
So police interview independent witnesses and don't proceed. No case to answer.
The Hun ( which is part of the same organisation as the woman making the complaint works for) reports that the woman decides not to make a statement. Why? Because her statement, if the same as her previous statements, would be at odds with all the witnesses, therefore opening her up for criminal charges against her for perjury. As it stand Dusty may now have a case for defamation.
Perjury is lying to court, she would have no criminal case to answer for if she was found to be making the whole thing up. She may be vulnerable for defamation, but most likely it would br Ch7 or the Hun that Dusty would ultimately take $$ from.
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The media treatment of Dustin and the whole incident has been absolutely disgraceful.
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Im tippin the nab cup off no real season punishment
Disagree
With the AFL involved, reckon he will miss a H&A game
They will come over the top like they did in the Carlisle punishment
He should get an apology.Thats about it.
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Hahahahahahaha classic. WP you still thinks he deserves a punishment?? :thumbsup
Yeah, I do for being an idiot absolutely
Getting totally tanked, so tanked he can't remember what he did and behaving like moron in a public place 3 weeks into preseason was stupid so yeah he deserves a whack for that. Any other player would cop a punishment
And like it or not he will cop one :thumbsup
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Interesting that the alleged victims language of what went down has changed from very specific threats to a more general 'behaved aggressively'.
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Interesting that the alleged victims language of what went down has changed from very specific threats to a more general 'behaved aggressively'.
Most interesting is the fact she wouldn't speak to the cops
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Nice to get the police side of things wrapped up before xmas.
Time for Dusty to get his slap on the wrist and move on .
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The police and the afl should say what really happened otherwise people will walk around carrying chopsticks
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No sushi for a week
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From Twitter
@SamLandsberger
No word on whether Martin will be punished yet. Tigers will wait for AFL to complete its investigation before dealing with Dusty.
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The law says nothing happened.
What is the afl going to do - say something did?
What are they, the stuffn illuminati ?
Lol.
Sue the mole if not for just putting her name out there.
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My take reading between the lines.
So police interview independent witnesses and don't proceed. No case to answer.
The Hun ( which is part of the same organisation as the woman making the complaint works for) reports that the woman decides not to make a statement. Why? Because her statement, if the same as her previous statements, would be at odds with all the witnesses, therefore opening her up for criminal charges against her for perjury. As it stand Dusty may now have a case for defamation.
Perjury is lying to court, she would have no criminal case to answer for if she was found to be making the whole thing up. She may be vulnerable for defamation, but most likely it would br Ch7 or the Hun that Dusty would ultimately take $$ from.
SUMMARY OFFENCES ACT 1966 - SECT 53
Making false reports to police etc.
S. 53(1) amended by Nos 9554 s. 2(2)(Sch. 2 item 341), 9642 s. 2(1), 8/1998
s. 5(1), 43/2011 s. 52(1), 37/2014 s. 10(Sch. item 160.18).
(1) Any person who falsely and with knowledge of the falsity of the report voluntarily reports or causes to be reported to any police officer or to a protective services officer that an act has been done or an event has occurred, which act or event as so reported is such as calls for an investigation by a police officer or a protective services officer shall be guilty of an offence.
Penalty: 120 penalty units or imprisonment for 1 year.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/soa1966189/s53.html
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And WP, as if he doesn't remember.
That's just sound legal advice.
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My take reading between the lines.
So police interview independent witnesses and don't proceed. No case to answer.
The Hun ( which is part of the same organisation as the woman making the complaint works for) reports that the woman decides not to make a statement. Why? Because her statement, if the same as her previous statements, would be at odds with all the witnesses, therefore opening her up for criminal charges against her for perjury. As it stand Dusty may now have a case for defamation.
Perjury is lying to court, she would have no criminal case to answer for if she was found to be making the whole thing up. She may be vulnerable for defamation, but most likely it would br Ch7 or the Hun that Dusty would ultimately take $$ from.
SUMMARY OFFENCES ACT 1966 - SECT 53
Making false reports to police etc.
S. 53(1) amended by Nos 9554 s. 2(2)(Sch. 2 item 341), 9642 s. 2(1), 8/1998
s. 5(1), 43/2011 s. 52(1), 37/2014 s. 10(Sch. item 160.18).
(1) Any person who falsely and with knowledge of the falsity of the report voluntarily reports or causes to be reported to any police officer or to a protective services officer that an act has been done or an event has occurred, which act or event as so reported is such as calls for an investigation by a police officer or a protective services officer shall be guilty of an offence.
Penalty: 120 penalty units or imprisonment for 1 year.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/soa1966189/s53.html
Which is why she didn't report to coppers
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The law didn't say nothing happened, the woman didn't make a statement. Or dropped charges or some bs like that.
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They pretty much DID
A Victoria Police statement said: “Detectives from Stonnington Criminal Investigation Unit have conducted an extensive investigation after reports a woman was threatened by a man at a Chapel Street restaurant in Windsor on 5 December.”
“After reviewing CCTV footage and speaking to all parties involved, including numerous independent witnesses at the restaurant on the night, investigators determined that no criminal offence took place.
“Police take all reports of violence towards women seriously and investigate all complaints thoroughly
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The law didn't say nothing happened, the woman didn't make a statement. Or dropped charges or some bs like that.
Incorrect. The law did not state 'insufficient evidence'. It found nothing happened to break the law based on witness statements and cctv.
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https://au.linkedin.com/in/alexander-garipoli-6a169453 (https://au.linkedin.com/in/alexander-garipoli-6a169453)
This guy has something to do with it.
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My take reading between the lines.
So police interview independent witnesses and don't proceed. No case to answer.
The Hun ( which is part of the same organisation as the woman making the complaint works for) reports that the woman decides not to make a statement. Why? Because her statement, if the same as her previous statements, would be at odds with all the witnesses, therefore opening her up for criminal charges against her for perjury. As it stand Dusty may now have a case for defamation.
Perjury is lying to court, she would have no criminal case to answer for if she was found to be making the whole thing up. She may be vulnerable for defamation, but most likely it would br Ch7 or the Hun that Dusty would ultimately take $$ from.
SUMMARY OFFENCES ACT 1966 - SECT 53
Making false reports to police etc.
S. 53(1) amended by Nos 9554 s. 2(2)(Sch. 2 item 341), 9642 s. 2(1), 8/1998
s. 5(1), 43/2011 s. 52(1), 37/2014 s. 10(Sch. item 160.18).
(1) Any person who falsely and with knowledge of the falsity of the report voluntarily reports or causes to be reported to any police officer or to a protective services officer that an act has been done or an event has occurred, which act or event as so reported is such as calls for an investigation by a police officer or a protective services officer shall be guilty of an offence.
Penalty: 120 penalty units or imprisonment for 1 year.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/soa1966189/s53.html
And as no statement was made, she has no possibility of criminal charges.
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My take reading between the lines.
So police interview independent witnesses and don't proceed. No case to answer.
The Hun ( which is part of the same organisation as the woman making the complaint works for) reports that the woman decides not to make a statement. Why? Because her statement, if the same as her previous statements, would be at odds with all the witnesses, therefore opening her up for criminal charges against her for perjury. As it stand Dusty may now have a case for defamation.
Perjury is lying to court, she would have no criminal case to answer for if she was found to be making the whole thing up. She may be vulnerable for defamation, but most likely it would br Ch7 or the Hun that Dusty would ultimately take $$ from.
SUMMARY OFFENCES ACT 1966 - SECT 53
Making false reports to police etc.
S. 53(1) amended by Nos 9554 s. 2(2)(Sch. 2 item 341), 9642 s. 2(1), 8/1998
s. 5(1), 43/2011 s. 52(1), 37/2014 s. 10(Sch. item 160.18).
(1) Any person who falsely and with knowledge of the falsity of the report voluntarily reports or causes to be reported to any police officer or to a protective services officer that an act has been done or an event has occurred, which act or event as so reported is such as calls for an investigation by a police officer or a protective services officer shall be guilty of an offence.
Penalty: 120 penalty units or imprisonment for 1 year.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/soa1966189/s53.html
Thanks Penny. Was just going to post the same. In any case it is perjury if used in court.
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My take reading between the lines.
So police interview independent witnesses and don't proceed. No case to answer.
The Hun ( which is part of the same organisation as the woman making the complaint works for) reports that the woman decides not to make a statement. Why? Because her statement, if the same as her previous statements, would be at odds with all the witnesses, therefore opening her up for criminal charges against her for perjury. As it stand Dusty may now have a case for defamation.
Perjury is lying to court, she would have no criminal case to answer for if she was found to be making the whole thing up. She may be vulnerable for defamation, but most likely it would br Ch7 or the Hun that Dusty would ultimately take $$ from.
SUMMARY OFFENCES ACT 1966 - SECT 53
Making false reports to police etc.
S. 53(1) amended by Nos 9554 s. 2(2)(Sch. 2 item 341), 9642 s. 2(1), 8/1998
s. 5(1), 43/2011 s. 52(1), 37/2014 s. 10(Sch. item 160.18).
(1) Any person who falsely and with knowledge of the falsity of the report voluntarily reports or causes to be reported to any police officer or to a protective services officer that an act has been done or an event has occurred, which act or event as so reported is such as calls for an investigation by a police officer or a protective services officer shall be guilty of an offence.
Penalty: 120 penalty units or imprisonment for 1 year.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/soa1966189/s53.html
Thanks Penny. Was just going to post the same. In any case it is perjury if used in court.
Its not mate. Perjury is directly lying under oath to a court. A prosecutor may simply ask "are you willing to have your statement shown to the court" in which case, yes she could be convicted of perjury.
But as the current events that:
Martin was in the restaurant,
The unnamed woman was in the restaurant
There was an altercation between the two
She couldn't possibly be found guilty of making a false statement anyway.
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I was taking the pee out of the herald sun statement. Refuse to accept they were wrong
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Why would we punish him if he hasn't broken any law?
Threatening to kill someone is breaking the law. So the police must have found he didn't actually do that.
defamation anybody?
Bringing the game into disrepute :lol
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The media treatment of Dustin and the whole incident has been absolutely disgraceful.
Should of had a spear and done a war dance at kids.
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If he was a black woman they would have shot the cow
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Nothing should happen to him and that's that.
Its done, see you round round 1 Dusty, he will be there. :thumbsup
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Check my original posts thoughts on this, wherever they were. Said it right from the start and got attacked.
The original and the only #chopsticks ..... Now sue the bitch!
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#defamation.
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U weren't Robinson Crusoe, cub ::)
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Im tippin the nab cup off no real season punishment
Disagree
With the AFL involved, reckon he will miss a H&A game
They will come over the top like they did in the Carlisle punishment
No charges ... Wtf ?
rubbish!
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The law says nothing happened.
What is the afl going to do - say something did?
What are they, the stuffn illuminati ?
Lol.
Sue the mole if not for just putting her name out there.
This,,, just catching up!
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U weren't Robinson Crusoe, cub ::)
I know mate, but got attacked pretty aggressively at the start by some, not necessarily here :scream
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U weren't Robinson Crusoe, cub ::)
I know mate, but got attacked pretty aggressively at the start by some, not necessarily here :scream
Not being über pc is a hang able offence.
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Wilson
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So how does it all work Wp?
Gettin fined plus half a million for not breaking laws?
Like the dees not tanking eh
Fine Essendon $610K over safety breaches, court told
AFL.com.au
22 December 2015
WORKSAFE Victoria has asked a magistrate to fine Essendon more than $610,000 for risking its players' health and failing to provide a safe workplace during the ill-fated 2012 supplements program.
The club will be sentenced on January 28 after formally admitting to two charges of breaching the Occupational Health and Safety Act.
The court was told that two key figures at the club ignored clear protocols and sidestepped medical staff in their bid to give the team a competitive edge.
Representatives for the Bombers on Tuesday admitted in the Melbourne Magistrates' Court that players were not provided with a safe work environment despite policies and protocols put in place to protect them.
WorkSafe said Essendon, at the end of 2011 and in 2012, gave players supplements without taking necessary steps to reduce potential health risks.
After the club finished eighth in 2011 fitness boss Dean Robinson came on board to implement the new program, bringing sports scientist Stephen Dank with him.
They began a supplements program, injecting players with vitamins, amino acids and peptides, the court has been told.
Senior players and club doctor Bruce Reid raised concerns over this in January 2012, so Robinson wrote a policy giving Dr Reid the power to approve or deny the use of any substances administered to players.
Under the policy, Robinson and Dank were to provide Dr Reid with the scientific and common name of substances, clinical findings about side effects or documents guaranteeing they did not breach ASADA or WADA guidelines.
They gave him "mountains of paperwork" but it contained only information on some of the substances.
Other substances were given off-site without Dr Reid's approval.
Prosecutor Ross Ray, QC, said poor record keeping meant it was almost impossible to know what each player was given, but it is believed they had some form of Thymosin and Tribulus Forte.
"Dank and Robinson administered these substances to players without approval from the medical team," Ray told the court.
Players were ordered not to talk about the program.
Barrister Gary Livermore, acting on behalf of Essendon, conceded Dank and Robinson didn't get approval from Dr Reid for at least two of the supplements.
Ray said the club should be fined $305,350 for each of the two charges they face - the maximum monetary penalty available to the magistrate.
Essendon is also awaiting the findings of a Court of Arbitration for Sport hearing into an appeal by WADA over the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal's verdict that 34 former and current players were not guilty of doping offences during the supplements program.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-22/fine-essendon-610k-over-safety-breaches-court-told
A huge difference as in 1 is an investigation into a drug lab injecting regime involving 20+ young men with illegal and dangerous substances
and the other
a drunken verbal comment?
"illegal" substances? There was no investigation into "illegal" substances. It was an investigation into "banned" substances under a sporting drug code. Again there is a massive difference right there. Hird was never investigated for taking banned substances because under the WADA code he couldn't be, as a coach taking a banned substance isn't an offence. Is that parto fo the code right? Absolutely not but they are the rules. Hird wasn't stood down because the EFC didn't have the guts to do it.
His pointless legal action was not a criminal matter, he wasn't on trial; it was a civil one so right or wrong; like it or not it not even remotely close to this "chopstick" gate
Where was this hysteria when Jurrah belted his Mrs with a metal pole?
Last time I checked Jurrah ended up in jail for that "effort" as well as other acts of violence against women.. so not the best example I wouldn't have thought
Why the lack of support behind our club and player WP? Seem all you have done is play devils advocate.
I support Dusty, but I am not going to sit here and say he didn't do a completely stupid, idiotic, moronic thing. I am not going to sit here a say he is the sole victim here because he isn't. 3-4 weeks into pre-season he goes out and gets himself so smashed he can't remember what he did or didn't do, that's not smart, that's stupid
He deserves to punished for being a an idiot. Do I believe he should cop 12 months, 15 games? No but he needs to cop some sort of whack.
If it was a player that people on here can't stand or a bloke in our bottom 10 and folks want out of the club I doubt the support would be there. The posts would be "sack him"
Forgive me for not excusing his behaviour simply because he is one of best players. In this situation all players should be treated the same..
As for "our" club. The Club has handled this abysmally.
It should have been over and done with after 72 hours but no; not our club. Oh way!
If "our" club had of come out, whacked said player, punished him with the obligatory fine (max $5k per the CBA), banned him from the pre-season comp and a H&A games, this would have been over so quickly. No cops, no media lynching, no hysteria. But no the good 'ole Tigers had Dan Richardson be flippant, Benny Gale say nothing for days when normally you can't shut him up... and where are we now???
talk about stupidity 101
So yeah I am peeved with the Club, they have let Dusty down and they've let the members down (again) by handling it in such a way that they put our club in a position where it is getting whacked over and over.
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Robbo on twitter:
Martin "case" crazy. Woman happy talk to media but not to police.
Police clearly didn't find witnesses to support claims. Meanwhile Martin slaughtered. Meanwhile she throws grenades and then ducks for cover.
If police can't find a case to answer, then how can the AFL? The AFL surely can't find DM guilty. My guess is Martin won't miss a game.
no I don't [believe police interviews are easy] but if you are going to talk to media and say you're life was threatened then surely you talk to the police
Woman said Martin threaten to kill her. Police didn't find a witness to that. Martin slaughtered by media grandstanders with their opinions.
He was a bloody idiot to get involved in something, as I said, but he was crucified bc of a media interview she won't repeat to police.
No it doesn't [diminish the fact he was a goose to get peeed and carry on like that]. He was a goose. But he wasn't labelled a goose. It was said he threatened to stab her in the face.
Not at all [that violence against women is fine if public figure]. It's putrid. but she should have spoken to the police ...
Dustin Martin is a lot of things but I'd argue he is not a thug. No history with violence that I know.
https://twitter.com/Robbo_heraldsun/with_replies
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And Rita Panahi ...
How can anyone blame her for not making a formal complaint after what she's endured from pathetic fanboys?
AFL's ugly underbelly & culture of bullying triumphs again. They love the moral grandstanding...but don't deliver when it counts.
The truth is if she was my sister I'd tell her to desist for her own sake. Sadly, that's the current reality.
https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/with_replies
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The AFL was advised by Vic Police tonight detectives had concluded an investigation involving current Richmond FC player Dustin Martin.
Vic police told AFL after reviewing CCTV footage & speaking to all parties,investigators determined that no criminal offence took place.
AFL acknowledges Vic Police investigation and will now determine if any action is required under the AFL's Rules around player conduct.
https://twitter.com/AFL_House
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A broken clock is right twice ...
Well done Robbo you fat bastard
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Dan Connors also on twitter tonight ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CW0ZXhOUAAEjkrW.png)
https://twitter.com/Danconnors19
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Wtf is she talking about????
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And Rita Panahi ...
How can anyone blame her for not making a formal complaint after what she's endured from pathetic fanboys?
AFL's ugly underbelly & culture of bullying triumphs again. They love the moral grandstanding...but don't deliver when it counts.
The truth is if she was my sister I'd tell her to desist for her own sake. Sadly, that's the current reality.
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Watch all the biatches double their efforts now :rollin fo
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"illegal" substances? There was no investigation into "illegal" substances. It was an investigation into "banned" substances under a sporting drug code.
I think you're getting hung up on the vocab here. We call a high tackle illegal tackle which is a banned tackle. A banned substance is an illegal substance according to a set of rules. Hird broke rules. Has Dusty? Police investigation dropped. Enough said really.
Last time I checked Jurrah ended up in jail for that "effort" as well as other acts of violence against women.. so not the best example I wouldn't have thought
My point was the comparison of media hysteria not the punishment. Where was the witch hunt for Jurrah like there has been for Dusty? I'm sure we all agree a baseball swing to the 'mush' via a metal poll is more serious than a drunken threat. Media pick and choose. I don't apologise for supporting a Richmond player. Even if it was worse, innocent until proven guilty.
I support Dusty, but I am not going to sit here and say he didn't do a completely stupid, idiotic, moronic thing.
He deserves to punished for being a an idiot. Do I believe he should cop 12 months, 15 games? No but he needs to cop some sort of whack.
If it was a player that people on here can't stand or a bloke in our bottom 10 and folks want out of the club I doubt the support would be there. The posts would be "sack him"
Forgive me for not excusing his behaviour simply because he is one of best players. In this situation all players should be treated the same..
I 100% would be supporting any player, family member or friend if they were in the same situation. The label of 'Woman Abuser' is full on. This is Dusty's label now. Disgustingly. No priors, no history of violence or aggression yet he will have to put up with this now. As Robbo said, he was a goose but incorrectly was never labelled as a goose but a 'abuser of woman'. That is a seriously ugly brush.
He should be punished for drinking. That is the only thing he should be punished for. If police can't find anything of value why should the club listen to some idiot who is happy to throw stones and can't back it up. Was confident enough to approach Dusty to tell him to pull his head in but to 'traumatised' to talk to police. Please.
Innocent till proven guilty. Dusty will be forever tarnished for this. Not fair at all.
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“After reviewing CCTV footage and speaking to all parties involved, including numerous independent witnesses at the restaurant on the night, investigators determined that no criminal offence took place.
“Police take all reports of violence towards women seriously and investigate all complaints thoroughly.”
This suggests that no verbal threat to the woman's life was at all made. None of her colleagues could back it up? No bar staff? No security. This is all horse poo.
What about the damages to Dusty and his name. Fragile bloke could quit the game and cost himself millions of dollars.
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Deal done for a bit of charity perhaps?
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Im tippin the nab cup off no real season punishment
Disagree
With the AFL involved, reckon he will miss a H&A game
They will come over the top like they did in the Carlisle punishment
Whats he technically done wrong? The situation as it stands is that the woman has claimed he was violent towards her. No witnesses has backed this up. On what grounds can he be punished?
What is stopping me from making a claim that Luke Hodge was violent towards me and having no1 back it up and calling for punishment? Jumping at shadows WP.
Aside from being drunk, supposedly and asked to leave a restaurant. How does that equal punishment to miss a H&A game. AFL didn't come over the top when Luke Hodge drank and drove?
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No,deals..
Entrapment by channel seven producer
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The media treatment of Dustin and the whole incident has been absolutely disgraceful.
Correct.
Innocent till proven guilty. I won't be satisfied till every idiot in the country apologises to Dusty personally for their moronic opinions and idiotic punishment sentences.
Investigation has taken place, no abuse or threat has been backed up. Like that or not anyone suggesting punishment with the tarnished brush 'violence against woman' is an absolute fool.
Fine him for drinking or breaking club rules. Anything else is a huge overreaction and has an agenda to save the world against female violence. Whilst a serious agenda, absolutely pathetic and disgusting making Dusty a scape goat for it.
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The law says nothing happened.
What is the afl going to do - say something did?
What are they, the stuffn illuminati ?
Lol.
Sue the mole if not for just putting her name out there.
Illumanati. Crisp from you Ox. Enjoyed that.
Merry XMas Tiger fans. PC idiots and Channel 7 can get stuffed. I'm off to buy some sushi!
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game set match, we can return to normal viewing thank stuff for that. Let em beat on their purple tamborines with rage, I just want to watch a game of footy ffs.
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My take reading between the lines.
So police interview independent witnesses and don't proceed. No case to answer.
The Hun ( which is part of the same organisation as the woman making the complaint works for) reports that the woman decides not to make a statement. Why? Because her statement, if the same as her previous statements, would be at odds with all the witnesses, therefore opening her up for criminal charges against her for perjury. As it stand Dusty may now have a case for defamation.
Perjury is lying to court, she would have no criminal case to answer for if she was found to be making the whole thing up. She may be vulnerable for defamation, but most likely it would br Ch7 or the Hun that Dusty would ultimately take $$ from.
SUMMARY OFFENCES ACT 1966 - SECT 53
Making false reports to police etc.
S. 53(1) amended by Nos 9554 s. 2(2)(Sch. 2 item 341), 9642 s. 2(1), 8/1998
s. 5(1), 43/2011 s. 52(1), 37/2014 s. 10(Sch. item 160.18).
(1) Any person who falsely and with knowledge of the falsity of the report voluntarily reports or causes to be reported to any police officer or to a protective services officer that an act has been done or an event has occurred, which act or event as so reported is such as calls for an investigation by a police officer or a protective services officer shall be guilty of an offence.
Penalty: 120 penalty units or imprisonment for 1 year.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/soa1966189/s53.html
And as no statement was made, she has no possibility of criminal charges.
I think you should read, and comprehend the law as quoted. It does not say making a statement, it clearly says that if something is falsely reported to the police that causes an investigation.
not that anything will eventuate in this case, but the law does allow for it to happen.
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No police action against Richmond’s Dustin Martin over altercation with woman
Mark Buttler and Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
December 23, 2015 [/i]
RICHMOND’S Dustin Martin still faces action from the AFL and his club despite police clearing him over his drunken altercation with a woman.
The woman claimed Martin had threatened to stab her with a chopstick, but police told the midfielder they had determined “no criminal offence took place”.
The woman had decided not to make a statement to police for fear of being identified in any potential future court proceedings.
But the woman said the AFL and Richmond should now press on with their inquiry, with which she has co-operated.
She said that the league needed to take a tough stand against men who behaved aggressively towards women.
“He’s done the wrong thing and should still face punishment from the AFL,” she said.
“They need to take a stand against violence towards women. And that I hope the AFL learn from this and change their procedures so that other victims can feel confident in making reports and be able to trust that the processes in place has genuine care for the welfare of the person making a complaint.”
Police reviewed CCTV footage and spoke to several witnesses. Picture: Steward McLean
Martin has apologised to the woman over the incident at Chapel St’s trendy Mr Miyagi on December 5.
Victoria Police said it took all reports of violence towards women seriously and investigated complaints thoroughly.
A Victoria Police statement said: “Detectives from Stonnington Criminal Investigation Unit have conducted an extensive investigation after reports a woman was threatened by a man at a Chapel Street restaurant in Windsor on 5 December.”
“After reviewing CCTV footage and speaking to all parties involved, including numerous independent witnesses at the restaurant on the night, investigators determined that no criminal offence took place.
“Police take all reports of violence towards women seriously and investigate all complaints thoroughly.”
Richmond and the AFL had put any potential sanctions against Martin on hold until after the police investigation.
Richmond said Martin, 24, must wait for the AFL to finish its investigation before learning of any sanction, which could include a hefty suspension.
“I imagine they’ll talk to police now that the police have wound it up and then they’ll come back to us. Until such time we’ve got nothing to comment on,” a spokesman said.
Martin’s manager declined to comment.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/police-will-not-take-action-against-richmonds-dustin-martin-over-threats-against-woman/news-story/0bd9906c04ffd8e60721016415f5fdf2#load-story-comments
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What a disgraceful HSun article, the police investigated extensively and concluded no criminal offence took place!!!
They didn't mention anything along the lines of not being able to determine if a criminal offence took place or anything even close to relating to not enough evidence ie: complainant didn't offer a statement! They clearly said "no criminal offence took place"
So B1 and B2 from the HSun, report the facts and stop trying to hang the bloke for being found by the law not to have committed a criminal offence.
It's sickening the way these media flogs carry on in an attempt to get their man.
No case to answer other than being drunk during preseason, if that constitutes an offence against team rules then the leadership group can punish him accordingly, otherwise all you blood thirsty grandstanding media flogs can STFU and go and enjoy Xmas on your own!!!
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And yet my dear Rita she is not worried enough of the fanbois to mess with her being head of the afl dictator discipline dusty committiee.
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Give Martin a 12-month ban, says Barlett
AAP
December 8, 2015 11:03 AM
RICHMOND legend Kevin Bartlett wants the club to throw the book at Dustin Martin, calling on the Tigers star to be banned for a year.
Martin has apologised after a woman accused him of threatening to stab her in the face with a chopstick.
The Richmond midfielder admits he was drunk at the time of the Saturday night incident.
He was eventually asked to leave the Mr Miyagi restaurant on Chapel St in South Yarra.
The Tigers issued a statement on Monday afternoon after the woman, identified only as Tracy, had contacted the club earlier that day.
Bartlett, who played 403 games for the Tigers and later coached the club, said Richmond's response was pathetic.
Tigers football manager Dan Richardson also separately called the incident a hiccup.
"Not one word that violence against women is totally unacceptable - and this is at an AFL club that has the first and only female president (Peggy O'Neal)," Bartlett said on SEN.
Richmond said in the statement that Martin would meet with club leaders later this week to decide what happens next.
But Bartlett said it needed a stronger and more urgent response from the Tigers in what shapes as a serious test of their leadership.
"This is not player No.42 on the club list - this is arguably their best player," Bartlett said.
He also noted that the AFL and its clubs strongly supported the campaign to end violence against women.
"It's hard to imagine a more serious allegation.
"A 12-month suspension and a $50,000 donation to an appropriate women's organisation seems a realistic and fair conclusion for the club, the AFL and the image of the game."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-08/give-martin-a-12month-ban-says-barlett
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A banned substance is an illegal substance according to a set of rules. Hird broke rules. Has Dusty? Police investigation dropped. Enough said really.
Hird is a coach, he didn't break any rules under the WADA code. Morally & ethically he broke many but under the WADA code he hasn't broken any rules because (a) he can take what he likes and (b) he didn't administer any of the banned substances
He should be punished for drinking. That is the only thing he should be punished for.
Wow we actually agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been saying that all along his should be punished for being a drunken moron and he will be
How harsh that penalty ends up being is in the hands of the AFL unfortunately
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Why is it in the hands of the AFL, surely they will let Us determine the punishment ?
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With respect Wp
Your world view is truly bizarre
Works safe have just stung the drug cheats the better part of 3/4 million dollars and you refuse to batter an eye lid, rather choosing to led the witch hunt against our poor minority
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Why is it in the hands of the AFL, surely they will let Us determine the punishment ?
This.
If the AFL were not guilty of the Essendon drug saga through WADA and Work Care because the club is responsible, then the club (RFC) is responsible for dishing out a penalty to its employee for being drunk. Cannot have it both ways.
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A banned substance is an illegal substance according to a set of rules. Hird broke rules. Has Dusty? Police investigation dropped. Enough said really.
Hird is a coach, he didn't break any rules under the WADA code. Morally & ethically he broke many but under the WADA code he hasn't broken any rules because (a) he can take what he likes and (b) he didn't administer any of the banned substances
He should be punished for drinking. That is the only thing he should be punished for.
Wow we actually agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been saying that all along his should be punished for being a drunken moron and he will be
How harsh that penalty ends up being is in the hands of the AFL unfortunately
Wow
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With respect Wp
Your world view is truly bizarre
Works safe have just stung the drug cheats the better part of 3/4 million dollars and you refuse to batter an eye lid, rather choosing to led the witch hunt against our poor minority
I very much aware of the Worksafe case but with respect to you, Worksafe are not going after Hird they are prosecuting the Essendon Football Club, you know the company.
They are not punishing individuals. there is a massive difference.
Furthermore, I suggest you actually read things and get your facts straight before you post foolish statements. the EFC are yet to receive any penalty from Worksafe. The QC representing Worksafe have recommended that the EFC be fined $610k but as yet they haven't been fined...
"WORKSAFE Victoria has asked a magistrate to fine Essendon more than $610,000 for risking its players' health and failing to provide a safe workplace during the ill-fated 2012 supplements program.
The club will be sentenced on January 28 after formally admitting to two charges of breaching the Occupational Health and Safety Act.
The court was told that two key figures at the club ignored clear protocols and sidestepped medical staff in their bid to give the team a competitive edge.
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From: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-22/fine-essendon-610k-over-safety-breaches-court-told
This fixation people have with comparing the Dusty saga with Hird is to use your words "truly bizarre". It's like comparing an orange (Dusty) with watermelon (Hird) they are not even remotely similar. TBBH what Hird did but not actually doing anything is far worse than what Dusty has done but that doesn't mean Dusty shouldn't be punished
As for leading a witch hunt "against our poor minority", please give me a break. What "poor minority" exactly?
Just because I refuse to excuse his stupid loutish behaviour doesn't mean I am leading a witch hunt. You want to pat him on the head and say he is completely innocent in all of this then perhaps it is your "world view" that "is truly bizarre".
I can guarantee that if it was any of your "whipping boys" who had done what Dusty did you would have them hung, drawn & quartered within 3 minutes (if that) of it hitting the news services and then for good measure you would have demanded that they be sacked without any investigation.
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Lol
Ok replace hird with jobe Watson
bizarre, I tell thee
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Why is it in the hands of the AFL, surely they will let Us determine the punishment ?
This.
If the AFL were not guilty of the Essendon drug saga through WADA and Work Care because the club is responsible, then the club (RFC) is responsible for dishing out a penalty to its employee for being drunk. Cannot have it both ways.
But if the AFL deem whatever punishment the RFC dish out as not being harsh enough, they can come over the top just like they did in the Carlisle case
And in this case I have no doubt that is what will happen
Not saying it is right, actually it isn't but the RFC did itself no favours with how poorly they handle this in the beginning
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Lol
Ok replace hird with jobe Watson
bizarre, I tell thee
Now you dish up an orange and an apple
Give me 2 oranges
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I think WP has been smashing the eggnog a few days early this year.
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The idiot was passed. Stiff poo.
What do u want - a little licker like ellis or Bowden.
stuff those turkeys.
Just plain sissy.
Good Onya dusty.
Keep being urself.
Who gives a stuff.
Ur got enough to buy a house and stuff off when ur contract ends.
Good on you son.
Don't give a thought to these idiots that follow the game.
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Lol
Ok replace hird with jobe Watson
bizarre, I tell thee
Now you dish up an orange and an apple
Give me 2 oranges
Maybe bocks misses went to the fruit shop
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Dustin Martin chopstick incident, Matthew Lloyd says Richmond should still punish star
Sarah Olle
FOX SPORTS
December 23, 2015 1:13pm
MATTHEW Lloyd says Richmond should still come down hard on Dustin Martin, despite the police dropping their criminal investigation into his alleged chopstick incident.
The former Essendon champion said Martin’s behaviour warranted much more than a slap on the wrist, particularly given his high profile.
“Dustin Martin has got to understand that when you’re a six-year player and you’re on half a million dollars, you’ve been around long enough not to be carrying around in restaurants and getting to the stage that you’re that drunk that you’re threatening women,” Lloyd told 3AW.
“That’s unacceptable behaviour.
“I think he does deserve to have the game taken away from him for a number of weeks and be told in no uncertain terms by his coach and the players that it’s not going to be tolerated and that if anything happens again he’ll be banned for 10-12 weeks.
“Slamming down shots in December when you’ve just finished a big break as an AFL footballer, that’s just not the standards you expect.”
Lloyd said while Martin had made a “good fist” of his career thus far, he could learn from the experience of once-troubled former Cat Steve Johnson.
Lloyd’s brother Brad was Johnson’s player manager when he was handed a monstrous eight-week ban by the Cats, whose patience had grown thin with the troubled young star.
Geelong wanted to teach Johnson a lesson and it was a lesson he heeded.
Lloyd said the same approach could be successful with Martin.
“If it has been a slow build to something like this then they should hit him harder,” Lloyd said.
“But if it’s out of the blue then I think a couple of weeks or four weeks would be enough.”
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/dustin-martin-chopstick-incident-matthew-lloyd-says-richmond-should-still-punish-star/story-e6frf3e3-1227686775872
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I think WP has been smashing the eggnog a few days early this year.
I wish
No eggnog until tomorrow night
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Lloyd is a seevag
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This
Is
True
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Lloyd lol.
In all honesty though, it's refreshing to get a media article that is actually balanced and on par with the issue. Smashing shots in December isn't great. I'm sure we can all agree on that.
Just hope the club focus the ban on breaking team rules and not paint Dusty with the 'violence to women' agenda brush.
I don't like the idea of banning a player that hurts the team and supporters. But if it turns Dusty from an A Grade into a top 5 player in competetion maybe we will all appreciate a big whack.
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i would much rather they punish conca for being out of shape before they start with dusty.
His done nothing wrong that we all havent done (get drunk). Guilty of being drunk- well big bloody deal? Anything else is pure dribble. I would argue the temazy episode was worse as it affected the team (training day). i think we can all agree now this womans femmo poo can just FO yeah as his not guilty
Dusty for round 1 and Conca can miss a month.
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i would much rather they punish conca for being out of shape before they start with dusty.
His done nothing wrong that we all havent done (get drunk). Guilty of being drunk- well big bloody deal? Anything else is pure dribble. I would argue the temazy episode was worse as it affected the team (training day). i think we can all agree now this womans femmo poo can just FO yeah as his not guilty
Dusty for round 1 and Conca can miss a month.
Ok let's get serious.
If conca is not on the pee his weight gain is from a serious food-binge complex. There is seriously something podgy here beyond the realm of athletic normality.
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Tommy would be rolling in his grave.....
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Well played Richmond. Well played.
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stuff is this poo still going on, can someone PM me when its over please?
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How many pages will this topic reach.
Who heard SEN last night saying DM has a history of bad behaviour.
FM, what a disgrace, let's just move on.
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From Big Footy....make of it what you will....
Here's one for you guys and girls -
"Justin Koschitzke in his live radio slot on Gippsland radio quoted APA legal sources on record that she approached Martin 6-8 times before the incident with the first couple of approaches being of the flirty nature that were firmly knocked back and then badgering him numerous times before the actual incident (whatever that was) and finally as she left the restaurant dropping her card on the duty managers table and saying something along the lines of 'we will make some money out of this'.
The radio station replayed kosi's statement numerous times over the next few days and were obviously happy with the sources credentials."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-180#post-42419867
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Has conca piled on the rolls?
Can someone link me to a pic of the most overpaid cake smasher in the comp?!
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From Big Footy....make of it what you will....
Here's one for you guys and girls -
"Justin Koschitzke in his live radio slot on Gippsland radio quoted APA legal sources on record that she approached Martin 6-8 times before the incident with the first couple of approaches being of the flirty nature that were firmly knocked back and then badgering him numerous times before the actual incident (whatever that was) and finally as she left the restaurant dropping her card on the duty managers table and saying something along the lines of 'we will make some money out of this'.
The radio station replayed kosi's statement numerous times over the next few days and were obviously happy with the sources credentials."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dusty-incident-chopstickgate-no-more-mod-warnings-for-opposition-posters.1119123/page-180#post-42419867
I was told this story from people who know what went on that night. Disgusting behavior from that lady and i say that lightly.
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i would much rather they punish conca for being out of shape before they start with dusty.
His done nothing wrong that we all havent done (get drunk). Guilty of being drunk- well big bloody deal? Anything else is pure dribble. I would argue the temazy episode was worse as it affected the team (training day). i think we can all agree now this womans femmo poo can just FO yeah as his not guilty
Dusty for round 1 and Conca can miss a month.
Conca is in ripping shape so lets move on to someone else shall we :whistle
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From Big Footy....make of it what you will....
Here's one for you guys and girls -
"Justin Koschitzke in his live radio slot on Gippsland radio quoted APA legal sources on record that she approached Martin 6-8 times before the incident with the first couple of approaches being of the flirty nature that were firmly knocked back and then badgering him numerous times before the actual incident (whatever that was) and finally as she left the restaurant dropping her card on the duty managers table and saying something along the lines of 'we will make some money out of this'.
The radio station replayed kosi's statement numerous times over the next few days and were obviously happy with the sources credentials."
Not commenting on your post but it has always seemed a bit strange to me from the outset.
I haven't bothered to read all the fine details but as I understand it, what happened was that they were both in the restaurant in separate groups. Dusty was a drunk, loud and verbally obnoxious (swearing etc). At some stage the women has personally interrupted Dusty and got Dusty to come to where she is sitting and complained about his behaviour, particularly in relation to his public profile. He has gone off the handle and threatened to stab her with the chopsticks in his hand and hit his hand into a wall near her head.
Why would you interrupt a drunk, loud and abusive co-patron at a venue to summon him to you to complain about his behaviour?
Now this person is in the media and is a producer which tends to suggest that she is at least more socially experienced than the norm. I used to do security (bouncer) in my younger days and there is no way I would summon a drunken, obnoxious co-patron over to my table to criticise his manners. At the very least you complain -discreetly- to the staff or management or if they won't do anything to solve the problem you leave.
Now I am going to show my own bias here but I have never - NEVER EVER - met a media producer who I liked. They are the true bottom feeding leeches of the media with no morals and seem to have only an obsession to get THE STORY, regardless of the cost or damage caused by their actions.
As an aside, one of the moments I hold dearest in my heart is the sight of Madonna - all 5 foot nothing of her - ripping strips off two US TV producers backstage in Sydney during the "Girlie Tour". The same two producers who the night before had conned me into driving them around Sydney refusing to leave the car while they looked to socialise. Everyone else backstage was hiding from the action but I took advantage of it to walk past and savour every blistering insult she heaped on the scum. Such sweet revenge to look at their faces when the power boot was hugely on the other foot.
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Has conca piled on the rolls?
Can someone link me to a pic of the most overpaid cake smasher in the comp?!
Looked good in the pics from Cairns. Not sure what people are on about......
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A Christmas cautionary tale: Judge not lest ye be judged
David Ward
TheRoar.com.au
25 December 2015
How to punish Richmond footballer Dustin Martin? That question has exercised a few good minds over the past two weeks, and more than a few other kinds as well.
The consensus among the golfing classes was that the punishment had to be swift and severe, as though further deliberation was tantamount to a failure of resolve, or a betrayal of women. Send a message, they chorused. Let it ring out like an air raid siren over Sheffield.
The advice from Victoria Police on Tuesday that no charges would result from Martin’s drunken confrontation with a woman earlier this month is unlikely to cut much ice with the law enforcement specialists in the football punditry. That the details of the incident were at best sketchy and unconfirmed did little to dampen their punitive ardour the first time around, after all.
And it’s still beyond dispute that Martin’s conduct and generally inebriated state fell some way short of the missionary standards required of today’s AFL footballer, especially when venturing into the built-up areas where normal citizens congregate. So it’s hardly surprising that the same experts are urging the same maximum wrath.
Former Geelong premiership player Cam Mooney said on Wednesday that if Martin had been a lower-ranked player on Richmond’s list he’d have been sent packing long ago – hardly an original observation. Mooney’s recommendation? Get rid of him.
Maybe it is as simple as coming down hard, sending a strong message, drawing a line in the sand and dealing in other such vague and powerful figures of speech. But more likely it isn’t.
The vexations of formal punishment are as old as organised society, which is possibly why some guiding principles have evolved along the way. One of them is proportionality, and that’s a problem for AFL boss Gillon McLachlan and his integrity unit, who will likely have the final say in any sanction.
Why? Because the one thing you should never expect in anything concerning AFL football is a sense of proportion. The one thing you should always expect, on the other hand, is the exact opposite.
Most of the hanging judges are former AFL players now working in the media, or veteran sports journalists now operating in the capacity of opinion-leaders. By and large, they are males of a certain age for whom sport is a consuming lifetime passion and the durable scourge of violence against women a fairly recent preoccupation.
Like most late-arrivers, they’re in a rush to make up for lost time.
Former Melbourne star David “The Ox” Schwarz was adamant about the options facing the Tigers, or rather the lack of them. “This is going to be the end for Dustin Martin at Richmond, or it’s condoning violence against women,” Schwarz said on SEN radio on the Tuesday after the incident.
The Ox may not the best person to be offering advice on how to deal with errant footballers, given the gambling addiction that shadowed the contours of his own playing career, and the patience it demanded of his long-suffering club.
God knows where he’d be now had the Dees cut him loose at the height of his vice-riddled “challenges”. He mightn’t be the celebrated advocate for responsible gambling with the day job at a sports radio station where gambling ads run on a continuous loop, and Sexyland vouchers are snapped up by lucky competition winners.
Schwarz’s hard line was a sharp u-turn from the ‘I kid you not, chopsticks!’ chortlefest he and his co-jock Mark Allen had run with the previous afternoon, when they’d reported the breaking news. Of course, by then they had some catching up to do.
Earlier in the day their SEN colleague, Kevin Bartlett, had called for Martin to be suspended for 12 months and made to pay $50,000 to an appropriate women’s cause.
Bartlett is arguably Richmond’s greatest player since the war, and unarguably its greatest booster in the media. His punchy daily editorials (“I’m Kevin Bartlett. That’s my take”) are mostly designed to provoke a response from listeners rather than withstand scrutiny. But on that Tuesday KB was in deadly earnest.
Enough is enough, he fumed. How much more educating do these players need? Grizzled doyens of the print era and KB regulars, Patrick Smith and Greg Denham, departed from their customary roles as cartoon contrarians to register their furious agreement.
The SEN phone poll was running overwhelmingly with KB too. No matter that the facts of whatever happened were still unclear. I expect this is why Barrie Cassidy says capital punishment should never be put to a popular vote.
Jon Ralph, the fresh-faced veteran of every media platform in modern sport, was worried the Players Association might exercise some sort of veto if it deemed the penalty excessive, as though it were a permanent member of the Security Council. (It isn’t and it can’t.) Ralph wanted a lengthy ban but not a year.
It’s interesting that Caroline Wilson, the chief football writer at Fairfax Media, regarded a four-match suspension as both severe and appropriate. Wilson is no fan of Martin and no soft touch in the punitive stakes, to say the least.
Enquiring of people (all-too) familiar with Martin’s disorderly present ways as well as his unstable backstory, she was told he had no history of violent behaviour, even if his life skills and social habits still left plenty of room for improvement.
Bartlett wants football clubs to stop throwing good money after bad. It’s always the same, he said. The true cost of all the attention spent on a high-maintenance few was the neglect of the majority who toe the line, he said. “And you know what? They always let you down in the end, the trouble-makers.”
Few can match KB for football experience, so his observations of that world count. The more general perversity of human behaviour is sometimes beyond the insight of football people, however. And not only football people. We’re told Martin had an upbringing (or “formative profile”) that virtually predicted difficulty in the tran-sition to adult responsibilities – as for that matter did Schwarz, by his own account.
But plenty of kids come from a long a way back and don’t get the support, guidance and second (third, fourth) chances available to those lucky enough to be on an AFL list. Some difference in taxable incomes, too.
Dusty will want to outgrow his attraction to outlaw chic pretty quick or he’ll lose the option. Patience can’t last forever. A 12-month moratorium on the tatts wouldn’t hurt his cause, either.
Still, 24 doesn’t seem that old to me to be closing the file on him. Maybe a few of us are slow to change the bad habits we prefer not to dwell on.
It was football’s failure to honour its commitments to the social good that rankled most with Bartlett. Wasn’t Rosie Batty made Australian of the Year for shining a light on family violence, he asked?
Isn’t Richmond the only AFL club with a female president (Peggy O’Neil)? Hasn’t McLachlan refused to attend Carbine Club lunches until it scraps its odious all-male policy? Isn’t Tiger CEO Brendan Gale a member of Male Champions for Change? What about Respect and Responsibility? Doesn’t football have a responsibility to do more than pretend to respect (a) women and (b) community sentiment?
Of course it does. If AFL football wants to regard itself as a hallowed institution, a force for good in the community, its response will have to reflect the community’s proper contempt for certain behaviours. The social momentum for overdue change must have its effect.
But the punishment has to be about more than the ‘optics’, to use a word McLachlan is apparently fond of. It has to fit the offence. You can’t punish person for the sins of others, in addition to his own.
For Mooney, KB and The Ox the punishment would be the same whether the behaviour was a criminal offence, a modest misdemeanour or whatever Dusty did.
And beyond a few seconds of grainy vision and a few scraps of information in heavy circulation, they don’t know. If that’s not the reflex of ignoramuses, nothing is.
Football may also have to acknowledge the limits to its expertise in social policy – restaurants and nightclubs are not the primary site of family violence, after all. If you want to make an example of someone for a larger cause, you need to make sure you pick the right example.
McLachlan and his retinue of advisers should be less concerned about sending a message and more concerned about getting it right.
How to punish Dusty Martin? Not sure. But I know whose counsel I wouldn’t be seeking.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/12/25/a-christmas-cautionary-tale-judge-not-lest-ye-be-judged/
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These articles and this issue is largely designed to manipulate minds and outcomes
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One of the better AFL articles I've read in quite some time. Really balanced, put a lot of the lynch mob in perspective. Caro as usual comes out looking really good.
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The news
... and this issue is largely designed to manipulate minds and outcomes
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Don't let this slag get away with it.
She's a producer for 7 Today, Sydney.
Professional entrapment.
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These articles and this issue is largely designed to manipulate minds and outcomes
Par for the course for news in general Big Man
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Dustin Martin to know penalty over Chapel St chopstick incident by end of the week
MICHAEL WARNER
Herald Sun
28 December 2015 7:00pm
A VERDICT on Dustin Martin’s penalty over the Chapel St chopstick incident could be handed down by the end of this week.
AFL and Richmond officials spoke on Monday and are expected to quickly adjudicate on Martin’s punishment.
Victoria Police released a statement last week declaring that “no criminal offence took place” between Martin and his alleged victim at the Mr Miyagi restaurant on December 5.
Despite calls from the likes of club legend Kevin Bartlett for Martin to be rubbed out of the game for 12 months, the star midfielder could yet line up for the Tigers in their season-opener against Carlton and instead receive a hefty fine.
Martin, 24, has already apologised for his drunken altercation with the woman at the Prahran restaurant after attending the Stereosonic music festival.
The AFL handed the case to police on December 10 after independent witnesses contacted the league and downplayed the woman’s version of events.
She alleged Martin threatened to stab her with a chopstick, but decided not to make a statement to police.
On ruling out criminal charges a Victoria Police statement said: “After reviewing CCTV footage and speaking to all parties involved, including numerous independent witnesses at the restaurant on the night, investigators determined that no criminal offence took place.
“Police take all reports of violence towards women seriously and investigate all complaints thoroughly.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-to-know-penalty-over-chapel-st-chopstick-incident-by-end-of-the-week/news-story/c3543e45c628c6f19cfd5a1ab1a6d571
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Isn't she wonderful.....
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Model citizen
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'nuff said, done and dustyed
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With respect Wp
Your world view is truly bizarre
Works safe have just stung the drug cheats the better part of 3/4 million dollars and you refuse to batter an eye lid, rather choosing to led the witch hunt against our poor minority
I very much aware of the Worksafe case but with respect to you, Worksafe are not going after Hird they are prosecuting the Essendon Football Club, you know the company.
They are not punishing individuals. there is a massive difference.
Furthermore, I suggest you actually read things and get your facts straight before you post foolish statements. the EFC are yet to receive any penalty from Worksafe. The QC representing Worksafe have recommended that the EFC be fined $610k but as yet they haven't been fined...
"WORKSAFE Victoria has asked a magistrate to fine Essendon more than $610,000 for risking its players' health and failing to provide a safe workplace during the ill-fated 2012 supplements program.
The club will be sentenced on January 28 after formally admitting to two charges of breaching the Occupational Health and Safety Act.
The court was told that two key figures at the club ignored clear protocols and sidestepped medical staff in their bid to give the team a competitive edge.
"
From: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-22/fine-essendon-610k-over-safety-breaches-court-told
This fixation people have with comparing the Dusty saga with Hird is to use your words "truly bizarre". It's like comparing an orange (Dusty) with watermelon (Hird) they are not even remotely similar. TBBH what Hird did but not actually doing anything is far worse than what Dusty has done but that doesn't mean Dusty shouldn't be punished
As for leading a witch hunt "against our poor minority", please give me a break. What "poor minority" exactly?
Just because I refuse to excuse his stupid loutish behaviour doesn't mean I am leading a witch hunt. You want to pat him on the head and say he is completely innocent in all of this then perhaps it is your "world view" that "is truly bizarre".
I can guarantee that if it was any of your "whipping boys" who had done what Dusty did you would have them hung, drawn & quartered within 3 minutes (if that) of it hitting the news services and then for good measure you would have demanded that they be sacked without any investigation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/31/cnn-14-women-have-made-claims-of-sexual-abuse-against-bill-clinton/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
CNN political contributor Errol Louis went off-script Thursday morning when he reported out loud one of the truths the DC Media has spent decades covering up: that a total of 14 women have accused former President Bill Clinton of some form of sexual abuse, from rape to groping to harassment.
“After what we’ve seen with Bill Cosby and with old accusations,” Louis said, “There are about 14 women who could be said to have made claims at one time or another” against Bill Clinton.
Proving she hasn’t done her homework on one of the biggest stories of the day, an astonished Alisyn Camerota chimed in, “Is that right? Fourteen.”
#chopstick walrus
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No action on Richmond’s Dustin Martin until AFL concludes report on woman’s chopstick claim
Peter Rolfe
Herald Sun
January 2, 2016
DUSTIN Martin will not be sanctioned by the Tigers until the AFL finalises its report into allegations that he threatened to stab a woman in the eye with chopsticks.
Richmond said it was unlikely he would be sanctioned at least until players return to training on Monday.
“We’re waiting for the AFL to complete their report. There’s no timeline on when that will be done,” Richmond’s Jaimee Damon said.
A verdict had been expected this week.
The AFL and Richmond officials discussed potential action at a meeting on Monday.
Martin, 24, apologised after his actions at the trendy Mr Miyagi restaurant on Chapel St on Saturday December 5.
He had been partying at music festival Stereosonic at the Melbourne Showgrounds before the incident.
The AFL’s integrity unit interviewed the woman before it passed on details to police.
Victoria Police interviewed the woman, but have not pressed charges.
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale, who labelled the star midfielder “a goose” at a women’s leadership forum last month, has been under pressure to act against Martin.
Martin, who finished second in the club’s best and fairest this year, has played 131 games for the Tigers since his debut in 2010.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/no-action-on-richmonds-dustin-martin-until-afl-concludes-report-on-womans-chopstick-claim/news-
story/863082c97177021d7cf211e1f8d96377
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For perspective
Google bill Clinton and the 'p' word
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For perspective
Google bill Clinton and the 'p' word
What's the p word?
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pedo
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and that is relevant to martin how?
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Shows that te media works in interesting ways
Old bill made the front page of the Hun zero times vs dustys weeks
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:lol. Only you can drag the Illumunati into a Dustin Martin chop stick discussion.
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You love that word aye
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You love that word aye
:birthday
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Here's the AFL Players' code of conduct for those interested.
AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE
PLAYERS’ CODE OF CONDUCT
1 Introduction
1.1 Commitment and consultation
The AFLPA represents AFL Players participating in the AFL Football competition organised by the AFL. The AFLPA and its members are committed to promoting the positive image of AFL Players and their professional and proper conduct. With these aims in mind, the AFL and the AFLPA, in consultation with each AFL Club, have agreed to formulate this Code of Conduct (“the Code”) for AFL Players.
1.2 Purpose
The Code seeks to promote and strengthen the good reputation of Australian Rules Football, the AFL Competition, the AFL, AFL Clubs and AFL Players by establishing standards of performance and behaviour for AFL footballers. In addition, it seeks to deter conduct which could have an adverse affect on the standing and reputation of the game, the AFL, AFLPA and all participants.
An AFL Player is entitled to have his privacy including that of his family and friends respected and the Code is not intended to apply to activities engaged in by a Player of a private nature, which may include activities with family, friends and/or other AFL Players.
1.3 CBA and Player Contracts
This Code is intended to clarify the duties and obligations set out in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (“the CBA”) and the Standard Playing Contract (“the
Contract”) binding the AFL, AFL Clubs, the AFLPA and AFL Players. However, it is not intended that this Code supplant the CBA or the Contract. Where inconsistencies appear between this Code and the CBA or Contract, the latter two shall prevail to the extent of such inconsistency.
1.4 Discipline
In addition to breaching this Code, misconduct by an AFL Player may give rise to actions against the AFL Player under or pursuant to any one or more of the following:
(i) civil and/or criminal laws;
(ii) the AFL Rules (which deals with “conduct unbecoming” and an AFL Player could be deregistered); and
(iii) the Contract (where the Contract may be terminated for misconduct).
4. Public and Related Responsibilities
4.1 Public conduct
AFL Players must, at all times and while in public, behave in a manner which upholds and promotes the highest standards of integrity and dignity. AFL Players must not behave in any way so as to bring AFL Football, the AFL, AFL Clubs or the AFLPA into disrepute. Public behaviour includes, without limitation, behaviour during travel to or from Matches, participation in authorised Matches (including overseas Matches), AFL or AFL Club excursions, Functions (see Clause 4.2), Promotional events (see Clause 4.3) and other public venues where the AFL Player is participating in authorised activities.
Breach: Forfeiture of up to $5,000
8. Discipline
8.1 Purpose
This section aims to ensure that the principles and standards set out in this Code are adhered to by all parties, particularly AFL Players.
8.2 Disciplinary measures
The particular disciplinary measure which an AFL Club chooses to impose on the relevant AFL Player must be consistent with and in accordance with the provisions of this Code. Such measures may include (without limitation) the imposition of forfeitures or suspension from AFL Matches and training.
8.3 Forfeitures
The maximum allowable amount that an AFL Club may withhold from amounts which are due to the relevant AFL Player for breach of this Code are specified in this Code.
The amounts that may be forfeited by an AFL Player are not cumulative. That is, a single act by an AFL Player may breach several clauses of this Code, but the forfeiture of monetary amounts must be no more than the highest single, applicable maximum.
An AFL Club may, in appropriate circumstances, require an AFL Player to do the following (without limitation) in lieu of a monetary forfeiture as prescribed by this Code:
(i) attend a promotional event or Club activity,
(ii) provide a community service,
(iii) attend a football clinic, and/or
(iv) attend or perform any other similar event or activity as agreed between the AFL Player and the AFL Club.
8.4 Withholding of amounts due to an AFL Player
Where an AFL Player breaches this Code in a manner which amounts to non-performance of the obligations under his Contract, the relevant AFL Club shall be entitled to withhold from any amount due to the AFL Player the amount applicable to the breach as provided in this Code.
8.5 Relevant considerations
When imposing a disciplinary measure, an AFL Club may, amongst other things, take the following matters into account:
• the seriousness of the breach;
• the extent to which the AFL Player’s breach brings the AFL or the relevant AFL Club into disrepute;
• whether the offence has been repeated by the relevant AFL Player; and
• the income of the relevant AFL Player
9. Monetary Forfeitures
Where an AFL Player forfeits monetary amounts for breach of this Code, the amount of the monetary forfeiture shall be distributed as follows:
• 50 per cent to be retained by the relevant AFL Club;
• 50 per cent to be paid to a registered charity nominated by the AFLPA.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/get_file.cgi?id=190252
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Tl;dr
Your summary based on this?
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Sections 1.2 and 4.1 are important - will be very interesting to see how they are interpreted and applied:
1.2 Purpose
The Code seeks to promote and strengthen the good reputation of Australian Rules Football, the AFL Competition, the AFL, AFL Clubs and AFL Players by establishing standards of performance and behaviour for AFL footballers. In addition, it seeks to deter conduct which could have an adverse affect on the standing and reputation of the game, the AFL, AFLPA and all participants.
An AFL Player is entitled to have his privacy including that of his family and friends respected and the Code is not intended to apply to activities engaged in by a Player of a private nature, which may include activities with family, friends and/or other AFL Players.
4.1 Public conduct
AFL Players must, at all times and while in public, behave in a manner which upholds and promotes the highest standards of integrity and dignity. AFL Players must not behave in any way so as to bring AFL Football, the AFL, AFL Clubs or the AFLPA into disrepute. Public behaviour includes, without limitation, behaviour during travel to or from Matches, participation in authorised Matches (including overseas Matches), AFL or AFL Club excursions, Functions (see Clause 4.2), Promotional events (see Clause 4.3) and other public venues where the AFL Player is participating in authorised activities.
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*if you are a hawthorn player
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*if you are a hawthorn player
Rita Panahi likes this.
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*if you are a hawthorn player
Rita Panahi likes this.
:witch
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Dustin Martin to know penalty over Chapel St chopstick incident by end of the week
MICHAEL WARNER
Herald Sun
28 December 2015 7:00pm
A VERDICT on Dustin Martin’s penalty over the Chapel St chopstick incident could be handed down by the end of this week.
AFL and Richmond officials spoke on Monday and are expected to quickly adjudicate on Martin’s punishment.
Victoria Police released a statement last week declaring that “no criminal offence took place” between Martin and his alleged victim at the Mr Miyagi restaurant on December 5.
Despite calls from the likes of club legend Kevin Bartlett for Martin to be rubbed out of the game for 12 months, the star midfielder could yet line up for the Tigers in their season-opener against Carlton and instead receive a hefty fine.
Martin, 24, has already apologised for his drunken altercation with the woman at the Prahran restaurant after attending the Stereosonic music festival.
The AFL handed the case to police on December 10 after independent witnesses contacted the league and downplayed the woman’s version of events.
She alleged Martin threatened to stab her with a chopstick, but decided not to make a statement to police.
On ruling out criminal charges a Victoria Police statement said: “After reviewing CCTV footage and speaking to all parties involved, including numerous independent witnesses at the restaurant on the night, investigators determined that no criminal offence took place.
“Police take all reports of violence towards women seriously and investigate all complaints thoroughly.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-to-know-penalty-over-chapel-st-chopstick-incident-by-end-of-the-week/news-story/c3543e45c628c6f19cfd5a1ab1a6d571
Good news.
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White ribbon made a statement about chris Gayle yet?
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Where is Rita on the Gayle incident?
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WP any thoughts on Gayle?
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I think Gayle was trying to be charming but came across like a sleeze bag.
Epic fail.
Dustin Hoffman did it to Jana Wendt in the late 80s and no one got hysterical
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I think Gayle was trying to be charming but came across like a sleeze bag.
Epic fail.
Dustin Hoffman did it to Jana Wendt in the late 80s and no one got hysterical
I agree, I think he was just trying to be cheeky but it came off looking really rank. I think he didn't get the immediate reaction he was hoping for and then just kept going.
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I think Gayle was trying to be charming but came across like a sleeze bag.
Epic fail.
Dustin Hoffman did it to Jana Wendt in the late 80s and no one got hysterical
and there have been plenty of similar, if not 'worse' incidents during interviews.
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Doesn't one have the right to be a bit rank or a sleaze bag in a democracy ?
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If it was George Clooney, she would have gushed in her pants
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2876994/Nuala-Hafner-chats-hunky-tattooed-beachgoer-mid-weather-report-gets-knocked-back.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2876994/Nuala-Hafner-chats-hunky-tattooed-beachgoer-mid-weather-report-gets-knocked-back.html)
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If it was George Clooney, she would have gushed in her pants
the thought crossed my mind, though it was richard gere not clooney.
what has this country become seriously. Same page as the bloke who killed his kids at port lincoln.
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I think James Sutherland made an excellent point in his press conference today - it was a place of work - not a night club . Enough said.
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It's 20/20.
It's a stuffn circus.
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Lol.
A nightclub is a place of work.
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Lol.
A nightclub is a place of work.
That it is. He's spent too much time dealing with hookers in that nightclub too.
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I think James Sutherland made an excellent point in his press conference today - it was a place of work - not a night club . Enough said.
Crap point actually. How many times have you heard an actor/host chatting up the other person on any of the tabloid TV morning shows? Happens all the time, has been happening for ever, is a natural reaction between testosterone charged young males and females, and is a blight on our 'evolution' as a human race that we now view such interactions as inappropriate. Workplace? Give me a break. In any workplace if a person makes a comment to another suggesting further social contact then you have the opportunity and right to say "no thanks". If it doesn't end there then it crosses the line to harassment - a completely different beast. Anyone think Gayle harassed the journo? Or maybe just made a public fool of himself trotting out his best lines only to have them knocked back.
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Smokey, does it matter?
Either way, it was cringeworthy stuff, the time of thing I might have tried when I was 15 years old.
Excruciating to watch, that is all.
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Anyone seen that interview with rampage Jackson from UFC dry humping the interviewer ??? Makes this look pathetic
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Smokey, does it matter?
Either way, it was cringeworthy stuff, the time of thing I might have tried when I was 15 years old.
Excruciating to watch, that is all.
It does matter when the born to rule classes (left wing feminazi media-based beanlickers) take their privileged elevator to the higher moral ground based on their insular, unnatural and unsustainable view of the world and ram it down our throats in a propaganda drive that would have done Goebbels proud. It was cringeworthy to watch because he made a dick of himself, nothing more than the public embarrassment that his ego couldn't drive the agenda he was looking for and his target proved herself a moral and intellectual superior with her excellent responses. Normal, natural and been around since Adam and Eve but let's allow ourselves to be told how to think, say and do by those who are superior in all things hey. F&*^ing lemmings.
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http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/sunrise-weather-woman-nuala-hafner-attempts-to-chat-up-hunky-mystery-man-live-on-air/story-fni0cvc9-1227158961013
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Smokey, does it matter?
Either way, it was cringeworthy stuff, the time of thing I might have tried when I was 15 years old.
Excruciating to watch, that is all.
If it made you cringe, harden the stuff up.
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Smokey, does it matter?
Either way, it was cringeworthy stuff, the time of thing I might have tried when I was 15 years old.
Excruciating to watch, that is all.
If it made you cringe, harden the stuff up.
Obviously not Greek! ;D
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Smokey, does it matter?
Either way, it was cringeworthy stuff, the time of thing I might have tried when I was 15 years old.
Excruciating to watch, that is all.
If it made you cringe, harden the stuff up.
Gayle should of asked her in Greek
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Smokey, does it matter?
Either way, it was cringeworthy stuff, the time of thing I might have tried when I was 15 years old.
Excruciating to watch, that is all.
It does matter when the born to rule classes (left wing feminazi media-based beanlickers) take their privileged elevator to the higher moral ground based on their insular, unnatural and unsustainable view of the world and ram it down our throats in a propaganda drive that would have done Goebbels proud. It was cringeworthy to watch because he made a dick of himself, nothing more than the public embarrassment that his ego couldn't drive the agenda he was looking for and his target proved herself a moral and intellectual superior with her excellent responses. Normal, natural and been around since Adam and Eve but let's allow ourselves to be told how to think, say and do by those who are superior in all things hey. F&*^ing lemmings.
The whole thing is another massive overreaction.
If it happened in a bar, his mates would've peed themselves at him and she would've rolled her eyes and kept drinking.
Its just another example of a media beat up by journalists who are too lazy to find something more meaningful to write or express an opinion.
And we are enabling it by getting all wound up about it.
It's a classic troll by the Kings of it, the media
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Why is it ok to talk to a lady working in a night club like that?
But not a TV women? Baby
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Smokey, does it matter?
Either way, it was cringeworthy stuff, the time of thing I might have tried when I was 15 years old.
Excruciating to watch, that is all.
It does matter when the born to rule classes (left wing feminazi media-based beanlickers) take their privileged elevator to the higher moral ground based on their insular, unnatural and unsustainable view of the world and ram it down our throats in a propaganda drive that would have done Goebbels proud. It was cringeworthy to watch because he made a dick of himself, nothing more than the public embarrassment that his ego couldn't drive the agenda he was looking for and his target proved herself a moral and intellectual superior with her excellent responses. Normal, natural and been around since Adam and Eve but let's allow ourselves to be told how to think, say and do by those who are superior in all things hey. F&*^ing lemmings.
The whole thing is another massive overreaction.
If it happened in a bar, his mates would've peed themselves at him and she would've rolled her eyes and kept drinking.
Its just another example of a media beat up by journalists who are too lazy to find something more meaningful to write or express an opinion.
And we are enabling it by getting all wound up about it.
It's a classic troll by the Kings of it, the media
Or she'd go to his hotel for a drink
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/04/08/2E17972200000578-3301636-image-a-1_1446624681604.jpg)
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The whole thing is another massive overreaction.
If it happened in a bar, his mates would've peed themselves at him and she would've rolled her eyes and kept drinking.
Its just another example of a media beat up by journalists who are too lazy to find something more meaningful to write or express an opinion.
And we are enabling it by getting all wound up about it.
It's a classic troll by the Kings of it, the media
Is that exactly the point though? I find an on air professional interview a decidedly different setting to a bar or club, and that's why people are pointing out the inappropriateness.
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The whole thing is another massive overreaction.
If it happened in a bar, his mates would've peed themselves at him and she would've rolled her eyes and kept drinking.
Its just another example of a media beat up by journalists who are too lazy to find something more meaningful to write or express an opinion.
And we are enabling it by getting all wound up about it.
It's a classic troll by the Kings of it, the media
Is that exactly the point though? I find an on air professional interview a decidedly different setting to a bar or club, and that's why people are pointing out the inappropriateness.
Why is it ok to say to a bar employee ?
This is an odd strand of Feminism where TV related women are on a higher level
On the level of inappropriate things in aust. Or the world how high would you rate it? My ice addicted friend luke thinks it's somewhat an over reaction
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The Australian woman, who was working around the West Indies team in Sydney, has detailed the incident to Fairfax Media. In the course of her work she entered the team dressing room to get a sandwich as she hadn't eaten all day, thinking the players were on the field training.
:lol
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/chris-gayle-exposed-himself-to-me-woman/ar-AAgn9WS?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=LENDHP
"You put yourself in an office environment in Australia, and there's no way that's going to fly. Put yourself back in that deserted change room and it's somehow OK for a career professional to be subjected to sexual jokes and demeaning advances."
in the office you wouldn't walk into the mens changing room like an entitled git to get a sandwich cause you are a bit pekish
are you not allowed to ask women "would you like to get a drink after" in an office environment?
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Smokey, does it matter?
Either way, it was cringeworthy stuff, the time of thing I might have tried when I was 15 years old.
Excruciating to watch, that is all.
It does matter when the born to rule classes (left wing feminazi media-based beanlickers) take their privileged elevator to the higher moral ground based on their insular, unnatural and unsustainable view of the world and ram it down our throats in a propaganda drive that would have done Goebbels proud. It was cringeworthy to watch because he made a dick of himself, nothing more than the public embarrassment that his ego couldn't drive the agenda he was looking for and his target proved herself a moral and intellectual superior with her excellent responses. Normal, natural and been around since Adam and Eve but let's allow ourselves to be told how to think, say and do by those who are superior in all things hey. F&*^ing lemmings.
The whole thing is another massive overreaction.
If it happened in a bar, his mates would've peed themselves at him and she would've rolled her eyes and kept drinking.
Its just another example of a media beat up by journalists who are too lazy to find something more meaningful to write or express an opinion.
And we are enabling it by getting all wound up about it.
It's a classic troll by the Kings of it, the media
Spot on.
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The whole thing is another massive overreaction.
If it happened in a bar, his mates would've peed themselves at him and she would've rolled her eyes and kept drinking.
Its just another example of a media beat up by journalists who are too lazy to find something more meaningful to write or express an opinion.
And we are enabling it by getting all wound up about it.
It's a classic troll by the Kings of it, the media
Is that exactly the point though? I find an on air professional interview a decidedly different setting to a bar or club, and that's why people are pointing out the inappropriateness.
I'm not argueing if it's inappropriate or not -I don't really care because in context it's a non issue.
As Smokey said, Mel proved on the night she is more than capable of fighting her own battles.
Its a massive overreaction spiked by a bored media.
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The whole thing is another massive overreaction.
If it happened in a bar, his mates would've peed themselves at him and she would've rolled her eyes and kept drinking.
Its just another example of a media beat up by journalists who are too lazy to find something more meaningful to write or express an opinion.
And we are enabling it by getting all wound up about it.
It's a classic troll by the Kings of it, the media
Is that exactly the point though? I find an on air professional interview a decidedly different setting to a bar or club, and that's why people are pointing out the inappropriateness.
I'm not argueing if it's inappropriate or not -I don't really care because in context it's a non issue.
As Smokey said, Mel proved on the night she is more than capable of fighting her own battles.
Its a massive overreaction spiked by a bored media.
Fighting a battle is different to lagging after the fact and recruiting other cows to give an otherwise nothing event, faux merit.
It's hiw these idiots operate.
stuffn dogs
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Bottom line is she failed as a journalist operating in real time.
Dropped the catch.
Had to make something out of it because she looked like the unprofessional she is as it stood.
At least this way some of the heat is deflected.
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I think the whole world has gone crazy.
Women are allowed to flirt with men, men are allowed to flirt with women, if the woman is conducive to advances from that male, if not then the male is a sexual deviant inappropriate miscreant, for me, I steer clear of contacting any female, handshake and that is it, I do notice that women touch me on the arms all the time and in reality if a male did that to a woman then all hell breaks loose. Pathetic
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* unless if she works in a nightclub
Then you can apparently do as you please
Unlike the upper class female in te TV industry
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These new rules are greAt
I though the peak was you are racist if you boo a footballer, yet it keeps getting better
Lol at the entitled chick goin to WI change rooms and crackin it the WI were changing
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* unless if she works in a nightclub
Then you can apparently do as you please
Unlike the upper class female in te TV industry
Exactly, For mine I am very nervous about RFC and AFL actions against Dusty.
My prediction...The AFL will step in impose some penalty and RFC will bend over and take it.
Whereas the RFC should tell the AFL that RFC has taken appropriate steps to address the situation.
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Apparently trending:-
https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/StandByGayle?src=hash
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* unless if she works in a nightclub
Then you can apparently do as you please
Unlike the upper class female in te TV industry
If you're referring to my post, that wasn't my point buddy.
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Simon katich said something similar big man
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Fairfax published an article about an unnamed woman accusing Gayle of flashing her more than a year ago (which has only just surfaced now, strangely enough!!). Gayle isn't lying down on this and has taken on the very PC Fairfax with a defamation suit.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/domestic-cricket/chris-gayle-to-take-legal-action-over-reports-of-indecent-exposure/story-fn5k3es5-1227700570507
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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1bc0ff5088aa70dd4a19e7dc3323f771/tumblr_mtoy3hWXtZ1snk779o4_250.gif)
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(http://s2.postimg.org/k5lxw9utl/image.jpg)
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What a shambles. Are the same dumb women going to insist that serena and co play 5 sets to get paid the same as well.
na
Give these woman an inch and they will turn everything into a gender equality issue. FO
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What a shambles. Are the same dumb women going to insist that serena and co play 5 sets to get paid the same as well.
na
Give these woman an inch and they will turn everything into a gender equality issue. FO
Please no- 3 sets is more than enough!
Ladies tennis is horrid!...and has been for a long time now....
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What a shambles. Are the same dumb women going to insist that serena and co play 5 sets to get paid the same as well.
na
Give these woman an inch and they will turn everything into a gender equality issue. FO
Can I use this point, please?
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What a shambles. Are the same dumb women going to insist that serena and co play 5 sets to get paid the same as well.
na
Give these woman an inch and they will turn everything into a gender equality issue. FO
Please no- 3 sets is more than enough!
Ladies tennis is horrid!...and has been for a long time now....
What female sport isn't ?
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Jello wrestling
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What a shambles. Are the same dumb women going to insist that serena and co play 5 sets to get paid the same as well.
na
Give these woman an inch and they will turn everything into a gender equality issue. FO
Please no- 3 sets is more than enough!
Ladies tennis is horrid!...and has been for a long time now....
I believe if they can do a job man does then they deserve to get paid the same. In most sports they don't let's be honest, but the usual women will tell you they do.
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What a shambles. Are the same dumb women going to insist that serena and co play 5 sets to get paid the same as well.
na
Give these woman an inch and they will turn everything into a gender equality issue. FO
Can I use this point, please?
They are making it worse for themselves and driving a futher wedge. AFL footy has changed because of woman IMO. It's all about money and woman bring in a lot of it for them. Wouldn't be surprised if a Caitlin Jenner debuts in the future, and the female stuffs will be lauding it as the greatest day in living history.
In the real world there are a very smart females but it's these special group that really make me sick. This number is growing by the day
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They're pretending they have the right to speak on behalf of all women.
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stop thinking male and female and start thinking human being..would I want my child,friend,relative irrespective of gender subjected to some of this stuff and the answer for me is a resounding NO
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How about, just think....journalist.
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One of the issues which appears to becoming apparent is the overwhelming and increasing extent that this game is being used as a delivery system for societal agendas. More so than traditional means. Maybe that's OK but maybe it in itself should be discussed.
Societal agendas are a sign of a healthy democracy and are fine, providing everybody can have a healthy, balanced, rational and logical discussion on the issues. Alot of the time the right outcomes are teased out. Im all for equality and fairness as are most people.
Two things are game changers in 2015 and 2016 about the way this is achieved. The increasing imbalance in mainstream media to the point that they come across as one way, aggressive crusades effects the integrity of the debate and agenda for many many normal, responsible and well educated people, and, there is a growing trend that those pushing the agenda refuse to listen, discuss or debate the issues. In effect there is no debate. No discussion. It appears to be an interesting world we are entering.
If you want to get people on board, you need to engage with them not at them.
At the end of the day Aussie rules itself is just a game and most people (women and men irrespective of race colour, creed etc) just want to watch their team. I hope the game itself doesn't suffocate in the process of what's occurring.
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Unfortunatly it is the loud minority that try and embarass the realists into silence
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Might get time served the way this is drawing out
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Liver of blaspheming Jew;
Gall of goat, and slips of yew
Sliver'd in the moon's eclipse;
Nose of Turk, and Tartar's lips;
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One of the issues which appears to becoming apparent is the overwhelming and increasing extent that this game is being used as a delivery system for societal agendas. More so than traditional means. Maybe that's OK but maybe it in itself should be discussed.
Societal agendas are a sign of a healthy democracy and are fine, providing everybody can have a healthy, balanced, rational and logical discussion on the issues. Alot of the time the right outcomes are teased out. Im all for equality and fairness as are most people.
Two things are game changers in 2015 and 2016 about the way this is achieved. The increasing imbalance in mainstream media to the point that they come across as one way, aggressive crusades effects the integrity of the debate and agenda for many many normal, responsible and well educated people, and, there is a growing trend that those pushing the agenda refuse to listen, discuss or debate the issues. In effect there is no debate. No discussion. It appears to be an interesting world we are entering.
If you want to get people on board, you need to engage with them not at them.
At the end of the day Aussie rules itself is just a game and most people (women and men irrespective of race colour, creed etc) just want to watch their team. I hope the game itself doesn't suffocate in the process of what's occurring.
:cheers
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I'd just like to add,
stuff AUSSIE rules.
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Mark Robinson on twitter:
@Robbo_heraldsun - People wanting a heavy penalty for Dustin Martin will be, I suspect, very disappointed with the outcome ...
@jraptor88 - You've been soft on this one Robbo compared to Gayle
@Robbo_heraldsun - not soft. just heard differing accounts of what happened. It will all be revealed soon enough.
https://twitter.com/Robbo_heraldsun/with_replies
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Wouldn't be at all surprise if chopstick gate will conslcude tomorrow
Sneak it out while everyone is talking about WADA gate :snidegrin
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The irony being your world view on the two subjects
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34 past and present player banned for the entire 2016 season...whoa.... :o :o
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Yeah
But
Dusty was being a walrus
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Make the announcement tiges!
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Make the announcement tiges!
That should read "make the announcement AFL" - they will determine his fate
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Caro saying Dusty won't be suspended
Her sources saying he didn't threaten to stab her with a chopstick or hit the wall. He did abuse her but don't threaten her with a chopstick.
She reckons he will cop a fine and probably a preseason suspension but not H&A games
Announcement Thursday or Friday
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From Twitter
@FootyClassified
"Dustin Martin is unlikely to be suspended by the @AFL." - Caro. #FootyClassified
"Some of the allegations made against Dustin Martin are completely untrue." - Caro. #FootyClassified
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Looking forward the to full public apologies that will no doubt be forthcoming from Ch.7, "Tracey", Rita Panahi etc..... :whistle
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Looking forward the to full public apologies that will no doubt be forthcoming from Ch.7, "Tracey", Rita Panahi etc..... :whistle
Sue the lot of them Dusty and start with KB.
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lol did anyone else see how matthew lloyd was during that segment of the show??
i remember him coming out early and making alot of calls for martin to be punished and suspended etc...
brings a smile to my face :lol
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His management should be suing for defamation
@ch 7
@ch 7 Sydney
@Ch 7 producers of "Sunrise"
@Sucker , feminist journalists
@Insipid male journalists who rallied the cause.
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lol did anyone else see how matthew lloyd was during that segment of the show??
i remember him coming out early and making alot of calls for martin to be punished and suspended etc...
brings a smile to my face :lol
lol this guy
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lol did anyone else see how matthew lloyd was during that segment of the show??
i remember him coming out early and making alot of calls for martin to be punished and suspended etc...
brings a smile to my face :lol
Magic :clapping
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Mcveigh
Mathew
Watson
What a hird of half wits
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Mcveigh
Mathew
Watson
What a hird of half wits
The bastion of truth those three :lol
#mcvitamins
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"It was mcvitamin C
Nothing to see here.
Move along pls folks"
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Black ban that idiot KB too
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From Twitter
@FootyClassified
"Dustin Martin is unlikely to be suspended by the @AFL." - Caro. #FootyClassified
"Some of the allegations made against Dustin Martin are completely untrue." - Caro. #FootyClassified
aaah music to my ears, but of course most of us knew it was all rubbish didnt we
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As for that piece of faeces Patrick Smith "Melbournes Moral Policeman" he needs to make a massive apology
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Tbf he was on the money in regard to the drug cheats
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Tbf he was on the money in regard to the drug cheats
Along with every other journo
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Tbf he was on the money in regard to the drug cheats
Along with every other journo
incorrect
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Black ban that idiot KB too
Should be taken off the site banner. Poll to decide after Dusty is confirmed as being innocent
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Anyone who doubted Martin should stuff OFF too.
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Black ban that idiot KB too
x2
calling for a fellow tiger to be banned for 12 months for an action that never happened
stuff of KB.
:chuck
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It would be good to stuff Newman the stuff off there as stuffing well
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I'm a big KB fan.
He was the greatest that I saw in the yandb BUT
He needs to apologise for his senile, politically driven outburst.
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What's ironic is, all the PC wankas want equality but are the first to judge a book by its cover.
Typical assholes
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmonds-dustin-martin-to-avoid-major-punishment-20160113-gm4uy9.html
Looks positive.
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What's ironic is, all the PC wankas want equality but are the first to judge a book by its cover.
Typical holes
They prefer to be called 'Social Justice Warriors'
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Dustin Martin looks set to escape a match ban for his chopsticks controversy
Sam Edmund
Herald Sun
January 14, 2016
DUSTIN Martin will almost certainly escape a match ban as the AFL investigation into Chopstickgate appears set to clear him of a serious offence.
The Herald Sun has learned league investigators were unable to substantiate allegations that Martin threatened a woman with a chopstick at a Japanese restaurant last month.
Victoria Police already found the midfielder had no case to answer after reviewing CCTV footage and speaking to numerous witnesses.
It was likely Martin would instead be fined for being intoxicated in a public place and asked to leave Windsor eatery Mr Miyagi.
But he was expected to face Carlton in Richmond’s season-opener on March 24.
The AFL was expected to end to the saga with an announcement on Friday.
Martin reportedly arrived at the restaurant drunk after spending the day at the Stereosonic music festival.
He said in a statement released by the club: “Regrettably, I was intoxicated and that, in itself, is completely unacceptable.
Dustin Martin is expected to face Carlton in Round 1. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
“I do, however, take responsibility for my behaviour and I am deeply embarrassed.
“If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened, then that is totally inappropriate.”
Richmond took Martin with pick No.3 in the 2009 national draft, telling the Herald Sun he was “born to play AFL”.
But for all the headaches he has given to the opposition on the field, he also has given the Tigers a few with his wayward lifestyle.
In 2012 he was suspended for two weeks for failing to attend training along with close friend Daniel Connors, who was sacked for the indiscretion.
Martin twice has been fined by the AFL for handcuff and “two-finger salute” goal celebrations, while in 2014 he was suspended from driving for two months for driving while suspended.
Martin was named in the All-Australian squad in 2014 and last year, but failed to make the final teams.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-looks-set-to-escape-a-match-ban-for-his-chop-sticks-controversy/news-story/44603b7df7118355d203ddc30f17635e
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The statement he couldn't articulate if he tried. Love it.
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Richmond's Dustin Martin to avoid major punishment
Jon Pierik and Caroline Wilson
The Age
January 14, 2016
Richmond's Dustin Martin looks certain to line up in round one against Carlton after being cleared of any serious wrong-doing by an AFL investigation.
Martin was accused of threatening of a woman with a chopstick at a Japanese restaurant last month but Victoria Police found he had no case to answer while completing its investigation.
Fairfax Media understands that initial allegations aimed at Martin could also not be substantiated by AFL investigators. The league's review was completed last week.
Dustin Martin will train as usual until the investigation into his alleged misbehaviour is completed.
AFL counsel Andrew Dillon is expected to put an end to the saga by Friday after consultation with the Tigers.
Martin could still face a fine or a pre-season penalty but will not miss home-and-away games, as first suggested.
Both the club and the AFL have deliberately delayed announcing the findings due to the timing of the Court of Arbitration for Sport's verdict against the 34 Essendon players.
Martin was reportedly intoxicated after spending the day at the Stereosonic music festival and had been dining at Windsor restaurant Mr Miyagi when he allegedly became angry after the 30-year-old Sydney woman told him to calm down.
He later said in a statement released by the club: "Regrettably, I was intoxicated and that, in itself, is completely unacceptable.
"I do, however, take responsibility for my behaviour and I am deeply embarrassed.
"If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened, then that is totally inappropriate."
Martin also apologised to the woman.
Victoria Police released a statement three days before Christmas, revealing that "after reviewing CCTV footage and speaking to all parties involved, including numerous independent witnesses at the restaurant on the night, investigators determined that no criminal offence took place".
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmonds-dustin-martin-to-avoid-major-punishment-20160113-gm4uy9.html
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The Club has issued a statement
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-01-14/club-statement-dustin-martin
No case to answer can be found. Just a suspended fine for the drinking.
Good statement by Gale and the club.
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“Nonetheless, the Club is disappointed that Dustin was intoxicated on the night. When challenged by the complainant for being disruptive, he was argumentative and used obscene language.
Why is she challenging people on chapel st for being disruptive Wp?
Boooo
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She's a idiot.
She should be charged.
Stay on it, lads.
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That lady is a disgrace.
And so are the media (and all you) who swallowed and pushed her story without understanding the full context.
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“Nonetheless, the Club is disappointed that Dustin was intoxicated on the night. When challenged by the complainant for being disruptive, he was argumentative and used obscene language.
Why is she challenging people on chapel st for being disruptive Wp?
Boooo
What are you on about ?
The Club has issued a statement
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-01-14/club-statement-dustin-martin
No case to answer can be found. Just a suspended fine for the drinking.
Good statement by Gale and the club.
I will be interested to see what the club does the next time one of our players is drunk in public. Will the be so generous in the punishment? They've set the stnadard so I hope they consistently apply this to every player on the list
And before people start in on me for having an opinion that's not popular
I have been very very consistent on this issue from day 1 and so people are clear I'll go through it all again
- Dusty deserved to be punished for being a moron. 4 weeks into pre-season training to be so drunk that he can't remember what he said or did is not acceptable. IMHO He is very lucky with what he's been dealt as it is a soft penalty. As I posted above I hope the club is consistent in any future punishment they dish out for similar incidents if they occur. Onus is on the club now to ensure they treat all players the same, doubt they will be but hey thats the RFC for you
- The woman who made the allegations - I have said from day 1- why if she was so traumatised, so in fear of safety did she not call the cops on the spot, get the restaurant to kick him out? Why did she wait over 48 hours to do anything (ring the club and tell her employer Ch7)? That was pathetic on her part. The fact she refused to give the cops a statement speaks volumes about her I would have thought
- I welcomed the Police getting involved. Glad they did because the accusations were serious. They have found that on the issue of the threats with chopsticks - no case.
- I made it very clear that if the accusations were found to be true then Dusty had to cop a whack. I stand by that I don't care who you are, what your lot in life is behaviour like that is simply not acceptable from anyone towards anyone, gender, race, nationality has no bearing
- I never once said he should be sacked or suspended for 12 months, said he should be punished for being a moron
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Did I not hit ""POST"'correctly last time...??.
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Ox, mate you know the rules
You've posted stuff that is currently ;) unsubstantiated so it's been removed
But I do agree with this bit
"Women's libber's should go after cows like this. Imo they do as much damage as misogynists"
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This woman should not be allowed to have children
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This woman should not be allowed to have children
I'm guessing...she won't. :snidegrin
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Ox, mate you know the rules
You've posted stuff that is currently ;) unsubstantiated so it's been removed
But I do agree with this bit
"Women's libber's should go after cows like this. Imo they do as much damage as misogynists"
I'd gladly take on any legal issues that would stem from such
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I'd gladly take on any legal issues that would stem from such
That's very nice of you but no
For now it stays off the forum :thumbsup
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Club is too scared to come out and tell people what was discovered during the investigation, in case they offend more whit ribboner's
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I'd gladly take on any legal issues that would stem from such
That's very nice of you but no
For now it stays of the forum :thumbsup
That's what i did....made it "of" the forum :cheers
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So does anyone know the name of this woman and if so, can it be posted mods?
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Drunken misandrist
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So does anyone know the name of this woman and if so, can it be posted mods?
It is not in the public domain
So no is can not be posted under any circumstances
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So does anyone know the name of this woman and if so, can it be posted mods?
It is not in the public domain
So no is can not be posted under any circumstances
What about under "other circumstances"?
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My website is a public domain.
Can I post poo there first and then here?
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Why isn't richmond/Dustin suing her ?
She's a criminal
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What a waste of $, resources, time and energy by so many.
A effing disgrace. Dusty was posted around as an abuser of women. This can't stop here. She needs to be hung drawn and quatered as does Channel 7. If this isn't defamation then what is?
Shes made up a lie that she was given a death threat. Went very very public with it. The story turned into a national snowball.
How is this not defamation?
Defamation—also calumny, vilification, and traducement—is the communication of a false statement that harms the reputation of an individual person, business, product, group, government, religion, or nation.
Channel 7 can't get away with this?
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Where's WP and that Dougy Bollinger fella??
Gone missing it seems
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Came here to post the same thing, Pope. C7 and Herald Sun went after Dusty personally for a good couple weeks there. Turns out it was all BS beside being a bit of a dill while drunk. Defamation case for sure.
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Where's WP and that Dougy Bollinger fella??
Gone missing it seems
As always when you attempt to whack me you are horribly wrong Angus
Actually take the time to read recent posts and you'll find my comments/opinion
Certainly not in hiding -cheap shot from the cheap seats Angus
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Believe Benny Gale has been on 3AW Sports Tonight
From Twitter
@3AW Sports tonight
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale is on the line.
"You just can't jump to conclusions, particularly hysterical ones."
Gale: "The allegations of a threat to stab hasn't been substantiated."
Gale: "In light of the distress and damage to Dustin's reputation, we think a suspended sanction is appropriate."
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Believe Benny Gale has been on 3AW Sports Tonight
From Twitter
@3AW Sports tonight
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale is on the line.
"You just can't jump to conclusions, particularly hysterical ones."
Gale: "The allegations of a threat to stab hasn't been substantiated."
Gale: "In light of the distress and damage to Dustin's reputation, we think a suspended sanction is appropriate."
In light of Dusty's damage reputation any danger of going after the idiots who constantly sort out to gain public interest via stories no matter who is in the way.
AFLPA should stop worrying about the drug cheats and look to protect a guy who has been absolutely pasted in the media for something that turns out to be an absolute lie.
Dusty apologised to a lying pig, wonder if she'll apologise for making up lies.
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My website is a public domain.
Can I post poo there first and then here?
I would've thought you could post a link
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Believe Benny Gale has been on 3AW Sports Tonight
From Twitter
@3AW Sports tonight
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale is on the line.
"You just can't jump to conclusions, particularly hysterical ones."
Gale: "The allegations of a threat to stab hasn't been substantiated."
Gale: "In light of the distress and damage to Dustin's reputation, we think a suspended sanction is appropriate."
In light of Dusty's damage reputation any danger of going after the idiots who constantly sort out to gain public interest via stories no matter who is in the way.
AFLPA should stop worrying about the drug cheats and look to protect a guy who has been absolutely pasted in the media for something that turns out to be an absolute lie.
Dusty apologised to a lying pig, wonder if she'll apologise for making up lies.
His crime is having an alcoholic drink
In a liberal democracy
Were it is quite legal
What a bastard
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Believe Benny Gale has been on 3AW Sports Tonight
From Twitter
@3AW Sports tonight
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale is on the line.
"You just can't jump to conclusions, particularly hysterical ones."
Gale: "The allegations of a threat to stab hasn't been substantiated."
Gale: "In light of the distress and damage to Dustin's reputation, we think a suspended sanction is appropriate."
In light of Dusty's damage reputation any danger of going after the idiots who constantly sort out to gain public interest via stories no matter who is in the way.
AFLPA should stop worrying about the drug cheats and look to protect a guy who has been absolutely pasted in the media for something that turns out to be an absolute lie.
Dusty apologised to a lying pig, wonder if she'll apologise for making up lies.
His crime is having an alcoholic drink
In a liberal democracy
Were it is quite legal
What a bastard
Yeah but we are talking about the 2010's. Your legal rights end where others 'feelings' begin.
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The enlightenment greater thinkers would of been utterly stoked
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Media jumped gun on Dusty claim: Rohan Connolly
Joshua Papanikolaou
SEN
14 Jan 2016
Given the latest development in the story Rohan Connolly suggests that many media figures have been caught out assuming Martin was guilty of the allegations against him.
"There might be a few lessons here for some people in the media too, because i think this is one case where people shot out of the blocks pretty early," said Connolly on SEN radio.
"Why did the people who reported it automatically assume that the things they were told actually happened - I mean KB is the obvious one, he called for a 12-month suspension and that in retrospect is very wide of the mark.
"But at least KB is in a way connected, I'd raise more issues with certain commentators in the media who saw fit to completely shoot their mouths off and hang, draw and quarter him.
"Well, it's fairly comprehensive statement you often expect statements in these cases to be pretty short and sweet - but I guess they've appreciated how much interest there has been in the case."
Club chief executive Brendon Gale made the following statement regarding the issue:
“An allegation of threat to inflict serious injury was recently made against Dustin Martin.
“The Club’s position throughout has been to establish exactly what happened in relation to these serious allegations so we could properly determine a course of action.
“The Club has also been mindful of the complainant, and the nature of her allegation, and endeavoured to be supportive whenever she has been in contact with the Club.
“The Club welcomed the fact the matter was referred to Victoria Police. It was only right that claims of this nature were thoroughly scrutinised and the facts established.
“Ultimately, after a thorough investigation, the Victoria Police concluded no criminal offence took place.
“An AFL investigation also concluded that there was no evidence to support or corroborate the allegation.
"As a result, the Club will not sanction Dustin Martin in relation to this allegation as no threat to harm occurred.
“Nonetheless, the Club is disappointed that Dustin was intoxicated on the night. When challenged by the complainant for being disruptive, he was argumentative and used obscene language.
“He has acknowledged this and has apologised for any offence or distress his behaviour caused. His apology was accepted by the complainant.
“As a professional athlete Dustin enjoys a privileged lifestyle. With professionalism comes responsibility and we expect much better from our players and all personnel.
“As a result, Dustin will have a suspended sanction of $5000 imposed for a breach of the Player Code of Conduct.
“The allegations of threat to harm aired on Channel 7, and subsequently reported widely across the media, have been extremely distressing and damaging for Dustin, and of great concern to the Richmond Football Club.
“Richmond Football Club finds any threat of violence against women totally unacceptable and condemns such behaviour in the strongest possible terms.
“However, as with every other member of the community, Dustin was entitled to the presumption of innocence until this very serious allegation was fully investigated.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/01-16/media-jumped-gun-on-dusty-claim-connolly#A78vRxfdygriWZY1.99
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However, as with every other member of the community, Dustin was entitled to the presumption of innocence until this very serious allegation was fully investigated.
:whistle
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Glad this saga is finally over.
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Great result.
I'll put my hand up and say I was too quick to jump on Dusty. I took his early apology to be an omission of guilt and I was pooey with him for putting himself in a position where he may miss games.
i got it wrong.
In contrast, I think B Gale handled it superbly and deserves a lot of credit.
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Great result.
I'll put my hand up and say I was too quick to jump on Dusty. I took his early apology to be an omission of guilt and I was pooey with him for putting himself in a position where he may miss games.
i got it wrong.
In contrast, I think B Gale handled it superbly and deserves a lot of credit.
Yeah i thought it was a bit unfair Wilbur, but thumbs up for being honest and saying you went too early. Lesser men would have gone (and do go) thread silent.
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Great result.
I'll put my hand up and say I was too quick to jump on Dusty. I took his early apology to be an omission of guilt and I was pooey with him for putting himself in a position where he may miss games.
i got it wrong.
In contrast, I think B Gale handled it superbly and deserves a lot of credit.
It just shows you're a bad person when you judge Dusty based on looks mate
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The woman at the centre of the incident at a Windsor Japanese restaurant told the Herald Sun: “I am pleased to see they have treated my concerns seriously and launched this review.”
She added it had been a very distressing period which had included death threats from Richmond supporters.
“I wish Dustin all the best for the season,” she said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-looks-set-to-escape-a-match-ban-for-his-chop-sticks-controversy/news-story/44603b7df7118355d203ddc30f17635e
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Martin incident forces review of AFL's respect and responsibility policy
AFL.com.au
January 15, 2016
THE AFL will review the way it deals with allegations of intimidating, threatening or violent behaviour towards women in the wake of the Dustin Martin incident.
CEO Gillon McLachlan said the organisation wanted to ensure the processes in place were appropriate when allegations such as the one made in December against the Richmond midfielder occurred.
Martin was accused of physically intimidating and threatening a woman in a St Kilda restaurant while drunk but both a police and an AFL investigation failed to find evidence to support the allegation.
On Thursday, he was handed a suspended $5000 fine by Richmond.
The club said it issued the fine because of Martin's unprofessional behaviour and intoxication.
McLachlan said it was timely to review the way the AFL handled such reports and when they referred a matter to police.
"We need to make sure we feel that at every instance, women feel comfortable coming forward [and] that our processes for handling it and when we refer to police and how we deal with it [are suitable]," McLachlan said.
"This incident has given us the opportunity to review that."
Victorian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commissioner Kate Jenkins will oversee a review of relevant AFL policies and process, including the AFL respect and responsibility policy introduced in 2005.
"The AFL takes any allegation of intimidation or threats or violence against women incredibly seriously," McLachlan said.
The AFL was criticised for not immediately referring the woman's complaint to police although McLachlan said on Thursday the matter was referred within 24 hours.
"If we think there is a serious allegation, I think we clearly need to go to the police," McLachlan said.
He said the industry needed to continually learn and improve the way such matters were handled.
"We encourage anyone who feels they have been intimidated or threatened to come forward at all times,” he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-14/martin-incident-forces-review-on-afls-respect-and-responsibility-policy
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Believe Benny Gale has been on 3AW Sports Tonight
From Twitter
@3AW Sports tonight
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale is on the line.
"You just can't jump to conclusions, particularly hysterical ones."
Gale: "The allegations of a threat to stab hasn't been substantiated."
Gale: "In light of the distress and damage to Dustin's reputation, we think a suspended sanction is appropriate."
Here's the audio of Benny Gale's 3aw interview talking about Dusty:
AUDIO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-01-15/gale-on-martin
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The woman at the centre of the incident at a Windsor Japanese restaurant told the Herald Sun: “I am pleased to see they have treated my concerns seriously and launched this review.”
She added it had been a very distressing period which had included death threats from Richmond supporters.
“I wish Dustin all the best for the season,” she said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-looks-set-to-escape-a-match-ban-for-his-chop-sticks-controversy/news-story/44603b7df7118355d203ddc30f17635e
More alleged threats hey?
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;D
It wasn't me, I swear to god but LOFL anyway.
What a penny pinching cow.
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Martin incident forces review of AFL's respect and responsibility policy
AFL.com.au
January 15, 2016
THE AFL will review the way it deals with allegations of intimidating, threatening or violent behaviour towards women in the wake of the Dustin Martin incident.
CEO Gillon McLachlan said the organisation wanted to ensure the processes in place were appropriate when allegations such as the one made in December against the Richmond midfielder occurred.
Martin was accused of physically intimidating and threatening a woman in a St Kilda restaurant while drunk but both a police and an AFL investigation failed to find evidence to support the allegation.
On Thursday, he was handed a suspended $5000 fine by Richmond.
The club said it issued the fine because of Martin's unprofessional behaviour and intoxication.
McLachlan said it was timely to review the way the AFL handled such reports and when they referred a matter to police.
"We need to make sure we feel that at every instance, women feel comfortable coming forward [and] that our processes for handling it and when we refer to police and how we deal with it [are suitable]," McLachlan said.
"This incident has given us the opportunity to review that."
Victorian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commissioner Kate Jenkins will oversee a review of relevant AFL policies and process, including the AFL respect and responsibility policy introduced in 2005.
"The AFL takes any allegation of intimidation or threats or violence against women incredibly seriously," McLachlan said.
The AFL was criticised for not immediately referring the woman's complaint to police although McLachlan said on Thursday the matter was referred within 24 hours.
"If we think there is a serious allegation, I think we clearly need to go to the police," McLachlan said.
He said the industry needed to continually learn and improve the way such matters were handled.
"We encourage anyone who feels they have been intimidated or threatened to come forward at all times,” he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-14/martin-incident-forces-review-on-afls-respect-and-responsibility-policy
Seriously go and get stuffed you arse licking, corporate criminal dogs
(http://s2.postimg.org/942vme4dl/image.jpg)
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What a penny pinching cow.
A penny for your thoughts lol
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The woman at the centre of the incident at a Windsor Japanese restaurant told the Herald Sun: “I am pleased to see they have treated my concerns seriously and launched this review.”
She added it had been a very distressing period which had included death threats from Richmond supporters.
“I wish Dustin all the best for the season,” she said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-looks-set-to-escape-a-match-ban-for-his-chop-sticks-controversy/news-story/44603b7df7118355d203ddc30f17635e
Death threats from RFC supporters, ::)likely BS too :whistle
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How do you make death threats toward somene who's identity you don't know??
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It's genius!
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Why does the club HAVE to say
Richmond Football Club finds any threat of violence against women totally unacceptable and condemns such behaviour in the strongest possible terms.
It's total nonsense.
To appease some people in some crappy little groups?
LMAO
Go stuff yourselves, I say.
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Richmond Football Club finds any threat of false violence against any man totally unacceptable and condemns such behaviour in the strongest possible terms.
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It's one thing to respect women, RFC but to show fear is pathetic.
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Martin incident forces review of AFL's respect and responsibility policy
AFL.com.au
January 15, 2016
THE AFL will review the way it deals with allegations of intimidating, threatening or violent behaviour towards women in the wake of the Dustin Martin incident.
CEO Gillon McLachlan said the organisation wanted to ensure the processes in place were appropriate when allegations such as the one made in December against the Richmond midfielder occurred.
Martin was accused of physically intimidating and threatening a woman in a St Kilda restaurant while drunk but both a police and an AFL investigation failed to find evidence to support the allegation.
On Thursday, he was handed a suspended $5000 fine by Richmond.
The club said it issued the fine because of Martin's unprofessional behaviour and intoxication.
McLachlan said it was timely to review the way the AFL handled such reports and when they referred a matter to police.
"We need to make sure we feel that at every instance, women feel comfortable coming forward [and] that our processes for handling it and when we refer to police and how we deal with it [are suitable]," McLachlan said.
"This incident has given us the opportunity to review that."
Victorian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commissioner Kate Jenkins will oversee a review of relevant AFL policies and process, including the AFL respect and responsibility policy introduced in 2005.
"The AFL takes any allegation of intimidation or threats or violence against women incredibly seriously," McLachlan said.
The AFL was criticised for not immediately referring the woman's complaint to police although McLachlan said on Thursday the matter was referred within 24 hours.
"If we think there is a serious allegation, I think we clearly need to go to the police," McLachlan said.
He said the industry needed to continually learn and improve the way such matters were handled.
"We encourage anyone who feels they have been intimidated or threatened to come forward at all times,” he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-14/martin-incident-forces-review-on-afls-respect-and-responsibility-policy
Meanwhile the hawthorn sex case has gone quiet
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Why does the club HAVE to say
Richmond Football Club finds any threat of violence against women totally unacceptable and condemns such behaviour in the strongest possible terms.
It's total nonsense.
To appease some people in some pooty little groups?
LMAO
Go stuff yourselves, I say.
Do Richmond football club also have to say they are not found of the Australian military bombing innocent babies in the Middle East?
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The woman at the centre of the incident at a Windsor Japanese restaurant told the Herald Sun: “I am pleased to see they have treated my concerns seriously and launched this review.”
She added it had been a very distressing period which had included death threats from Richmond supporters.
“I wish Dustin all the best for the season,” she said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-looks-set-to-escape-a-match-ban-for-his-chop-sticks-controversy/news-story/44603b7df7118355d203ddc30f17635e
Death threats from RFC supporters, ::)likely BS too :whistle
Fear, bullpoot and agendas. No wonder this lady chose the media as a career path.
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Should we investigate those too?
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Does this lady know that the phrase 'go stuff yourself' isn't a death threat?
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How do you make death threats toward somene who's identity you don't know??
good point
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Does this lady know that the phrase 'go stuff yourself' isn't a death threat?
:lol
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Bartlett has whacked us.
Ban him from the club imo
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...and Rhett is backing up his old man on twitter and over at Big Footy....they can both stuff off.....
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Interesting.Many of us here champion the freedom of the press and at the other times we want its blood.
For mine I would always opt for a free and unhindered press that sometimes does get things wrong
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There is a line, it was clearly crossed
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Agreed. She stepped over the mark
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Bartlett has whacked us.
Ban him from the club imo
What did she say?
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Interesting.Many of us here champion the freedom of the press and at the other times we want its blood.
For mine I would always opt for a free and unhindered press that sometimes does get things wrong
Do you really think the press has been 'free' in its reporting on this? Quite the opposite. Agenda driven by the weakest reporters and social commentators.
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Notice how they've just abandoned ship now...
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Notice how they've just abandoned ship now...
The lady in your avatar is quite attractive and seems both friendly and dignified.
Why do I think there's a twist....
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Because you're intuitive
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Dining partner of woman describes ‘tense’ dinner exchange with Dustin Martin
Jon Kaila
Herald Sun
January 19, 2016
THE dining partner of a woman who claimed Richmond ace Dustin Martin threatened her with a chopstick in a Melbourne restaurant, has spoken publicly for the first time.
The man, who has given statements to police and the AFL, said the 60-second exchange was “tense” and the “adrenaline was flowing”.
He described Tiger star Martin gesticulating wildly as he spoke with the chopstick in his hand, at times coming close to her face.
“The chopstick was in his hand and he was talking with his hands,” said the man, who wished to stay anonymous.
“It came close to her face. She was sitting down in a small amount of space. She was leaning back, to avoid it (the chopstick).”
He added: “I don’t know if it was deliberate but I understand how it was perceived to be threatening.”
His partner told AFL investigators Martin had said: “I’ll f---ing stab you.’’
Her companion said he did not hear those words, but did not believe the woman was fabricating her story and it could have occurred, given the context.
The man told the Herald Sun: “He (Martin) said, ‘Are you going to f---ing dob me in?’, and she replied: ‘Yes, I’ll be calling them (the club)’.
“He then slapped the wall out of frustration. I don’t think it was targeted at her, but it was just near her head.”
He said he also did not hear Martin make a threat to kill at Mr Miyagi restaurant in Chapel St on December 5 — as one other witness reported.
Victoria Police determined no criminal offence took place after the woman declined to make a statement, as it is understood she did not wish to be dragged into a public court case.
Both Richmond and the AFL last week added there was “no evidence’’ to support the allegation Martin threatened the complainant.
AFL Integrity officers on Thursday said Martin had no case to answer.
The club fined him $5000 but then suspended the penalty, saying the damage to his reputation was punishment enough.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/dining-partner-of-woman-describes-tense-dinner-exchange-with-dustin-martin/news-story/d2aa4e296d1c8c58f9c8ba0ba1121cc4
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Lmao
What a pack of turncoats.
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So the partner sitting next to the woman heard differently to the woman
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Interesting.Many of us here champion the freedom of the press and at the other times we want its blood.
For mine I would always opt for a free and unhindered press that sometimes does get things wrong
Do you really think the press has been 'free' in its reporting on this? Quite the opposite. Agenda driven by the weakest reporters and social commentators.
Ignorance is bliss...
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I've just named my new greyhound Chopstick Walrus in support of dusty and this farce
Joke
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"gesticulating wildly "
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Now Lloyd is getting involved say Martin still needs to be punished.
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Now Lloyd is getting involved say Martin still needs to be punished.
the opinions of those who are irrelevant should be ignored
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Now Lloyd is getting involved say Martin still needs to be punished.
Stopped crying and come out of his bedroom has little Matty
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Now Lloyd is getting involved say Martin still needs to be punished.
Deflecting the press from his drug cheating mates. Someone should ask Matty if Jobe should hand in his Brownlow
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Now Lloyd is getting involved say Martin still needs to be punished.
Unsubstantiated lagging is the Essendon way
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Essendon are like that kid in school who kills the class pet, but lags on other classmates for littering
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Saint Lloyd
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AFL failed community over Dustin Martin affair
RITA PANAHI
Herald Sun
January 21, 2016
AUSTRALIA’S pre-eminent sporting organisation portrays itself as a community leader in promoting respect and responsibility towards women but the reality is different.
Far from being at the top of the moral totem pole, the AFL has shown its desire to protect the brand trumps all else.
A woman who crossed paths with an aggressive, inebriated star footballer was browbeaten, belittled and maligned for standing up for herself.
It wasn’t long before the well-oiled AFL spin machine changed the narrative and cast the complainant as an unreliable troublemaker and the drunken lout as the victim. It’d almost be funny if it wasn’t despicable.
It’s clear that the staff at AFL House are slow on the uptake; fresh from their disastrous mishandling of the Essendon saga, where they attempted to manipulate the process and outcome, they have again committed a senseless act of self-harm through what appears to be a combination of arrogance, ineptitude and a need to micromanage “the message”.
The Dustin Martin issue could have been over with when the on-baller called the woman he terrified at a Melbourne restaurant, who we will call Tracey, and unequivocally apologised for his aggressive behaviour.
That apology was accepted, as was a reassurance from Martin that he would never again engage in such conduct.
Richmond could have imposed an appropriate sanction such as a fine, suspension and/or counselling and closed the matter to the satisfaction of all parties.
Instead, the club chose to brief against the victim, revealing her identity to sections of the media. Shortly afterwards the AFL joined in with the “integrity unit” taking charge of the investigation.
A football journalist all but divulged the woman’s name on Melbourne radio: her employer, job title and the specific nature of her work were shared with the audience. It wasn’t long before the death threats started.
Tracey was forced to close her social media platforms, but that hasn’t stopped thousands of disgusting attacks against her character on football forums as well as Twitter and Facebook.
What possible reason could there be for revealing the identity of a victim other than to intimidate and discourage other victims from coming forward?
It’s little wonder that Tracey now says she would tell other victims not to make a complaint to the AFL.
There’s been a great deal of scuttlebutt and spin during this episode but here are some facts:
Tracey has not deviated from her story and far from her account being “disproved”, it has been backed up by her dinner companion as well as independent witnesses the Herald Sun spoke to in the days after the event — but the AFL says it has other witnesses that cast doubt on the accounts.
The “threat to kill” claim did not come from Tracey, but was attributed to a diner at a nearby table.
But Tracey says she was threatened with being stabbed with a chopstick and she certainly felt threatened, particularly when Martin cornered her and slapped the wall behind her head.
On more than one occasion Tracey felt pressured to water down her statement. She was presented with an altered statement to sign that played down the events of the evening.
Tracey made it clear to Richmond and the AFL that she did not want to make a police complaint as that would ultimately reveal her identity and expose her to more abuse.
When the AFL did refer the matter to police, Tracey said an integrity officer told her, “we have washed our hands of you”, before adding that a police investigation would “buy the AFL a year”.
Without a statement from Tracey, the police investigation went nowhere as there was little chance of a successful prosecution.
There was no CCTV footage of the incident as the cameras covering that area were not functioning, according to the restaurant owners. The CCTV footage of Martin being escorted out of the premises did not show the clash preceding his eviction.
The AFL and Richmond briefed against Tracey while undertaking an “independent” investigation of the incident, revealing what appears to be an absence of sincerity and integrity.
The AFL’s record of vindictiveness speaks for itself, from pressuring radio station SEN 1116 to sack Grant Thomas (which the AFL denied) to pulling the accreditation of sports writers who deviate from the AFL script.
It’s not just a boys’ club with backward notions about women; it is an insular clique — and it can’t afford that insularity when the footy world already has a tendency to be out of step with community standards; take the sickening article published after former player Nick Stevens was convicted of bashing his former partner.
The piece, which has since been removed from The Age’s website, quoted footy officials and former teammates praising Stevens.
This is, after all, a world in which convicted woman basher Ricky Nixon thrived until he was brought undone by a teenager.
While AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan and Richmond CEO Brendon Gale were worrying about the “distress and harm” to Martin’s reputation, nobody bothered to check on the victim, who has not only been needlessly retraumatised but also cast as a fantasist.
The co-ordinated message by footy officials and eager sections of the media referring to supposed evidence contradicting the victim’s account has been accepted, but neither Richmond nor the AFL can tell us precisely what that contradictory evidence is.
Possibly because, like the AFL’s integrity, it does not exist.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/afl-has-failed-the-community-over-richmond-footballer-dustin-martin/news-story/124f077eeecbe4c58f0f09dd7c2654ad#load-story-comments
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Cool story but an offense needs to take place.
As the story says, the "threat to kill" claim didn't come from her, just a select witness to go with C7's or HSUN's narrative. She didn't want to go to the police but it ended up in the police hands anyway and the outcome would not have changed. That should be the end of the story.
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If the story was substantiated then there might be some merit in the article. She makes some good points but is dragging Dustin Martin on the basis of rumour and innuendo.
She is failing to recognise the possibility that AFL players can also be targeted by the public and this story now become on balance of probability because the lady didn't want to press charges.
Dusty has the right to "innocence until proven guilty" Rita and if that lady doesn't want to follow through then no one has the right to suspend an employee on the basis of unsubstantiated allegations.
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Just a pathetic arse covering, weasel article full of lies, half-truths and tenuous, irrelevent points by a noted professional troll who doesn't possess the character to apologize or admit she was wrong.
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Does anyone actually read Rita's articles anyway?
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Only when they're re-posted on footy forums....
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Only when they're re-posted on footy forums....
Even then I refrain.
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Just proven herself another stupid, whinging cow with a press pass.
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Only when they're re-posted on footy forums....
Even then I refrain.
Well that's interesting because if I recall at the start of this whole fiasco and up until Martin was cleared, you and her were basically on the same side of the debate.
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AFL failed community over Dustin Martin affair
RITA PANAHI
Herald Sun
January 21, 2016
AUSTRALIA’S pre-eminent sporting organisation portrays itself as a community leader in promoting respect and responsibility towards women but the reality is different.
Far from being at the top of the moral totem pole, the AFL has shown its desire to protect the brand trumps all else.
A woman who crossed paths with an aggressive, inebriated star footballer was browbeaten, belittled and maligned for standing up for herself.
It wasn’t long before the well-oiled AFL spin machine changed the narrative and cast the complainant as an unreliable troublemaker and the drunken lout as the victim. It’d almost be funny if it wasn’t despicable.
It’s clear that the staff at AFL House are slow on the uptake; fresh from their disastrous mishandling of the Essendon saga, where they attempted to manipulate the process and outcome, they have again committed a senseless act of self-harm through what appears to be a combination of arrogance, ineptitude and a need to micromanage “the message”.
The Dustin Martin issue could have been over with when the on-baller called the woman he terrified at a Melbourne restaurant, who we will call Tracey, and unequivocally apologised for his aggressive behaviour.
That apology was accepted, as was a reassurance from Martin that he would never again engage in such conduct.
Richmond could have imposed an appropriate sanction such as a fine, suspension and/or counselling and closed the matter to the satisfaction of all parties.
Instead, the club chose to brief against the victim, revealing her identity to sections of the media. Shortly afterwards the AFL joined in with the “integrity unit” taking charge of the investigation.
A football journalist all but divulged the woman’s name on Melbourne radio: her employer, job title and the specific nature of her work were shared with the audience. It wasn’t long before the death threats started.
Tracey was forced to close her social media platforms, but that hasn’t stopped thousands of disgusting attacks against her character on football forums as well as Twitter and Facebook.
What possible reason could there be for revealing the identity of a victim other than to intimidate and discourage other victims from coming forward?
It’s little wonder that Tracey now says she would tell other victims not to make a complaint to the AFL.
There’s been a great deal of scuttlebutt and spin during this episode but here are some facts:
Tracey has not deviated from her story and far from her account being “disproved”, it has been backed up by her dinner companion as well as independent witnesses the Herald Sun spoke to in the days after the event — but the AFL says it has other witnesses that cast doubt on the accounts.
The “threat to kill” claim did not come from Tracey, but was attributed to a diner at a nearby table.
But Tracey says she was threatened with being stabbed with a chopstick and she certainly felt threatened, particularly when Martin cornered her and slapped the wall behind her head.
On more than one occasion Tracey felt pressured to water down her statement. She was presented with an altered statement to sign that played down the events of the evening.
Tracey made it clear to Richmond and the AFL that she did not want to make a police complaint as that would ultimately reveal her identity and expose her to more abuse.
When the AFL did refer the matter to police, Tracey said an integrity officer told her, “we have washed our hands of you”, before adding that a police investigation would “buy the AFL a year”.
Without a statement from Tracey, the police investigation went nowhere as there was little chance of a successful prosecution.
There was no CCTV footage of the incident as the cameras covering that area were not functioning, according to the restaurant owners. The CCTV footage of Martin being escorted out of the premises did not show the clash preceding his eviction.
The AFL and Richmond briefed against Tracey while undertaking an “independent” investigation of the incident, revealing what appears to be an absence of sincerity and integrity.
The AFL’s record of vindictiveness speaks for itself, from pressuring radio station SEN 1116 to sack Grant Thomas (which the AFL denied) to pulling the accreditation of sports writers who deviate from the AFL script.
It’s not just a boys’ club with backward notions about women; it is an insular clique — and it can’t afford that insularity when the footy world already has a tendency to be out of step with community standards; take the sickening article published after former player Nick Stevens was convicted of bashing his former partner.
The piece, which has since been removed from The Age’s website, quoted footy officials and former teammates praising Stevens.
This is, after all, a world in which convicted woman basher Ricky Nixon thrived until he was brought undone by a teenager.
While AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan and Richmond CEO Brendon Gale were worrying about the “distress and harm” to Martin’s reputation, nobody bothered to check on the victim, who has not only been needlessly retraumatised but also cast as a fantasist.
The co-ordinated message by footy officials and eager sections of the media referring to supposed evidence contradicting the victim’s account has been accepted, but neither Richmond nor the AFL can tell us precisely what that contradictory evidence is.
Possibly because, like the AFL’s integrity, it does not exist.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/afl-has-failed-the-community-over-richmond-footballer-dustin-martin/news-story/124f077eeecbe4c58f0f09dd7c2654ad#load-story-comments
For gods same woman , just leave us alone
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Does anyone actually read Rita's articles anyway?
Sometimes.
Sometimes read the Andrew bolt ones too
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The integrity of the conversation/debate was lost when Rita wrote her first piece.
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These so called women, will just make themselves terminally ill with their constant misandrist agenda.
Id hate to stuff one.
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;D
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Only when they're re-posted on footy forums....
Even then I refrain.
Well that's interesting because if I recall at the start of this whole fiasco and up until Martin was cleared, you and her were basically on the same side of the debate.
Fascinating isn't it?
Still, I think I'lll continue to ignore her articles.
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Was she this scathing of the AFL and her beloved whorethorn players that escaped an alleged rape claim? Are they still guilty? Is this just another AFL cover up?
Such a fake.
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Apparently, the 3aw rumour file on Friday claimed that the relationship between Richmond and the Herald-Sun has soured thanks to the Hun's reporting of the chopstick incident.
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Oh boy.
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Isn't this over yet, I'm still waiting on the PM.. :whistle
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Apparently, the 3aw rumour file on Friday claimed that the relationship between Richmond and the Herald-Sun has soured thanks to the Hun's reporting of the chopstick incident.
Well that's about as insipid a rebuttal as you'd expect from the RFC.
God forbid they take legal action on behalf of one of their own.
Weak idiots.
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I am not so certain you can take legal action on behalf of someone?
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They do everything else for him
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I am not so certain you can take legal action on behalf of someone?
Rookie semantics
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BYW -Who actually asked him to leave the restaurant, if anyone?
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BYW -Who actually asked him to leave the restaurant, if anyone?
The lady in question thought he was the valet parking attendant
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Run jack run stuffing heraldsun, not reading Rita so I'm not the only one.
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BYW -Who actually asked him to leave the restaurant, if anyone?
Restaurant management I believe
I am not so certain you can take legal action on behalf of someone?
Correct
They do everything else for him
Agaon absolutely correct ;D
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Headline should have read,
"Martin taken from restaurant after woman stalked him"
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and lol
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'Scrag harasses tigers onballer', interrupts walrus impersonation'
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They do everything else for him
Fair point
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I am not so certain you can take legal action on behalf of someone?
Rookie semantics
Predictable response.
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Which is worse, Martins supposed actions, or Andy Murray screaming the f bomb repeatedly in a televised public forum?
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possible different outcome ide say
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possible different outcome ide say
Both damage their respective codes, one is publc and frowned upon, one is public, untelevised and reported on
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'Scrag harasses tigers onballer', interrupts walrus impersonation'
:thumbsup :rollin
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Mitchell Peace making the " chopstick " incident look quite tame .
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What's the white ribbon equivalent for canines?
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What's the white ribbon equivalent for canines?
The RSPCA who are actually investigating and may go the police with animal cruelty case
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Abc news claims he pretended to have axe with said dog
Was the dog offended?
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Storm in a dogs hole.
Another sensationalist view as portrayed by media with dysfunctional genitalia.
He was making a joke. A sight gag if u will.
He was never going to root the dog.
stuffn imbeciles
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What's the white ribbon equivalent for canines?
The RSPCA who are actually investigating and may go the police with animal cruelty case
Well, there must be a woman running it now
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Storm in a dogs hole.
Another sensationalist view as portrayed by media with dysfunctional genitalia.
He was making a joke. A sight gag if u will.
He was never going to root the dog.
stuffn imbeciles
Well said mate
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What's the white ribbon equivalent for canines?
The RSPCA who are actually investigating and may go the police with animal cruelty case
Was the dog offended that it was being led on?
Pretty ruff treatment
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Apparently it was like a dog with a bone
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#RubberBoneSociety
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http://www.sen.com.au/news/01-16/robbo-there-s-hair-on-this-dusty-story#OKiYO9KQyPD68DC8.97
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http://www.sen.com.au/news/01-16/robbo-there-s-hair-on-this-dusty-story#OKiYO9KQyPD68DC8.97
Here's the audio of Robbo and full article:
AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/boos/4116499-mark-robinson-on-the-run-home
Robbo: There’s hair on this Dusty story
Joshua Papanikolaou
28 Jan 2016, 06:45PM
The incident between a drunken Dustin Martin and a woman at a restaurant late last year is far from what it appears on the surface, according to Mark Robinson.
He revealed that the lady who alleged the Richmond midfielder threatened her life with a chopstick on Chapel Street gave her details to a member of staff after the incident.
“There’s a bit of hair on this story and I think Dustin Martin got slaughtered by everyone and female columnists around the country,” said Robinson on SEN radio.
“The story has turned out not to be the story that was originally reported – I agree he was drunk, being an idiot and aggressive – but there’s a fine line between having an argument with a person and being threatening to them.”
After details were initially released of the alleged attack and Martin apologised for his behaviour public opinion had the 24-year-old guilty, with a hefty penalty expected.
The club was criticised heavily for not taking the issue seriously enough from the beginning, but after the police cleared Martin of any wrongdoing the perception of what actually happened started to change.
Support for the woman decreased when she declined to make an official statement to police and the information given to the AFL was seemingly different to the initial claim.
“Do you know that she handed her business card to a female waitress after the incident and said, ‘if anymore celebrities come here give me a buzz’ – why would she do that?” said Robinson.
“I’ve heard that very, very strongly that she had to go on air and felt (from Channel 7) that she had to tell her story.
“Well, her story hasn’t quite stood up to what those early accusations were.”
The chief football writer for the Herald Sun had his doubts about the allegations before Martin was cleared by the police and then by an AFL investigation.
“I thought he got slaughtered over this and I haven’t heard too many apologies since,” he said.
“Richmond and Dustin Martin just want it to go away and he is extremely angry, he really is.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/01-16/robbo-there-s-hair-on-this-dusty-story#vzx3cKBIiUPDxYBT.97
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Robbo! :bow It's about time! Welcome to the world of journalism! :clapping
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hahahahahaha celebrities
WP apology accepted.
Thanks for coming
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WP apology accepted.
Thanks for coming
What are you on about?
And aplogy for what?
Dont owe you or anyone an apology
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Don't tell me...
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Btw here is my card... Call me wp
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Midfield star Dustin Martin found himself in the headlines for all the wrong reasons over the off-season, accused of threatening a woman in a Chapel Street restaurant.
He was later cleared by Victoria Police, but received a suspended sanction from the club for being intoxicated in a public place.
Gale said Martin was “distressed” by the saga.
“I think Dustin understands in some way he contributed to the situation by being drunk in a public place,” he said.
“I think he’s been very distressed by the way it’s been presented. He understands that he’s a person of interest to the public and that people have a fascination with him and how he looks. I think he understands that, but it’s certainly been a very distressing period for him. He’s certainly through it and he’s moved on.”
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/brendon-gale-says-richmond-wont-rush-to-extend-coach-damien-hardwicks-contract/news-story/ee3bf8b73da8d15e4101952a095939e4)
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Martin 'distressed' by investigation into drunken incident: Gale
AFL.com.au
February 1, 2016
RICHMOND star Dustin Martin was "distressed" throughout the AFL's investigation into claims he threatened a woman with a chopstick, CEO Brendon Gale says.
An AFL probe found there was no evidence to support the allegation that an intoxicated Martin threatened at a Japanese restaurant in Melbourne in December.
"I think Dustin understands he in someway contributed to the situation by being drunk in a public place, but I think he's been very distressed by the way it (the incident) has been presented," Gale told SEN on Monday.
"He understands he is a person of interest to the public, people have a fascination with him and how he looks and whether that's right or wrong I don't know.
"It's been a very distressing period for him but he's certainly through it and moved on."
The AFL enquiry followed a police investigation that found no criminal offence took place.
The star Tiger was handed a suspended $5000 fine by the club for unprofessional behaviour and intoxication.
Gale said Richmond considered launching legal action against some news outlets, including Channel Seven, for the way they portrayed Martin and the incident, but ultimately decided against it.
"We were disappointed in the way the broader story was presented; the way it was suggested Dusty could barely stand up or speak or he was acting like a lunatic or he was going to the toilets every five minutes," Gale said.
"All these things presented a story that made an outcome more likely – we were disappointed with that.
"Dustin did have a few drinks and he did act like a dill – we've addressed that and hopefully he'll move on from it."
The incident took place at a Windsor restaurant after a drunken Martin had spent the day with revellers at the Stereosonic music festival.
A 30-year-old Sydney woman made a complaint to the Tigers, after which Martin expressed regret for his behaviour in a club statement, and apologised to the woman.
"Regrettably, I was intoxicated and that, in itself, is completely unacceptable," Martin said in the statement last month.
"I do, however, take responsibility for my behaviour and I am deeply embarrassed. If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened, then that is totally inappropriate."
Martin will be free to play for Richmond when its NAB Challenge campaign kicks off against Fremantle at Mandurah on February 19.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-01/martin-distressed-by-investigation-into-drunken-incident-gale
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Sue the cow for loss of form due to stress inflicted by means of false testimony and media saturation.
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Can I ask, has her identity come out yet and if so can she be named?
I ask for the sake of sober discussion, measured debate and fairness to all parties.
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If she gave her card to the waitress then I imagine so
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Mods, some direction please
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Can I ask, has her identity come out yet and if so can she be named?
I ask for the sake of sober discussion, measured debate and fairness to all parties.
The Ch 7 producer's identity hasn't been made public, so no, she can't be named on the forum.
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Hasn't been made pulic by who?
Channel 7?💰💰💰
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Unless the waitress on on the pay then we can just blame her.
Say Dooks picked her up one night and she just "gave it up" so to speak.
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Hasn't been made pulic by who?
Channel 7?💰💰💰
It hasn't been made public by any mainstream media outlet or the police.
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But it's been leaked...your Honor :snidegrin
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I've made it public several times.
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We need the people that explain who is racist for booin which footballer, to give us direction
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She's allowed to name RIchmond fans as allegedly making death threats, but.......
This is rubbish
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AFL's Dustin Martin said sorry, so why does the victim feel betrayed?
John Silvester
The Age
February 6, 2016
An investigation into an incident involving the Richmond ace went awry, with media magnifying the pain.[/i]
My father was a policeman who believed passionately in the rule of law. And this meant if anyone tried to interfere in the process he would become extremely cross and they would become extremely sad.
Many years ago a senior VFL figure strayed over the line when Fred was investigating a potential crime involving the football industry. The official, used to getting his own way, suggested how the case should be handled. This was a mistake.
As I was told by another source Fred (then a chief inspector) looked over his glasses and threatened to arrest a particular umpire who failed to pay sufficient free kicks to Hawthorn's Leigh Matthews the previous weekend adding, "Because if you want to do my job I will do yours."
End of conversation.
But the world has changed and senior police, like opening batsmen, are determined to build partnerships. This, in most cases, is a good thing.
Take banks for example. There were armed robberies at branches virtually every day until a massive investment in security made bank robbers nearly extinct. (This process was accelerated by the armed robbery squad, which took to shooting a few as well).
Which brings us to the AFL – a sporting body that has become much more. While other industries suffer cyclic reverses the AFL just seems to get bigger and richer. This has led some in the football world to have a somewhat inflated view of their role in the wider community.
The only area they haven't explored is space travel – although it wouldn't surprise if they decided to launch satellites to beam Cyril Rioli highlights into Outer Mongolia. (Mongolians, after all, love a good blind turn – have you seen their roads?).
Which brings us in a roundabout way to Richmond's Dustin Martin and the ugly incident with a female diner at a Windsor Japanese restaurant two months ago.
The woman, who is in the television news business, suggested that Dusty should calm down as he was behaving like a drunken prat.
The exact nature of what happened is unclear. She says Martin confronted her, waved a chopstick near her face and uttered threatening words.
He allegedly slammed his open hand against the wall near her head when she said she would complain to the club.
"I certainly did feel threatened physically and did feel in serious danger of physical harm," she would later tell stern-faced AFL investigators.
What is not in dispute is that she was frightened and he was out of control.
Now Dusty is an easy target. A footballer with neck tattoos who could pass for a bikie, he has overcome a challenging background to successfully harness his vast talent.
The victim (and she is a victim in more ways than one) did complain to Richmond and within hours Martin rang to apologise.
According to her Martin was contrite and sincere.
"He listened, he acknowledged how I felt and he was authentic. He knows he made a mistake and he has not shied away from that. As far as I was concerned after that phone call and apology the matter was over," she said.
The woman, who works for Channel Seven, gave a TV interview about the incident that went to air that night.
Martin did the wrong thing but tried to make it right. But there were others who should have known better who managed to make it much worse.
When the story grew legs the AFL launched an investigation and this is where it gets murky with conflicts aplenty. There was the desire to find the truth but at the same time there was a vested interest in protecting the welfare of the player and to look after the image of the game.
The woman was interviewed by AFL and Richmond investigators who later produced a document of her account that looks remarkably like a police statement – which is not surprising as they are ex-cops.
But the draft statement included a few strange paragraphs such as: "Whilst he genuinely frightened me, I do not consider this so much to be a 'violence against women issue' but an alcohol issue." And, "I don't personally want him to miss playing as I think that football is probably the only thing he has."
This is curious. Surely the statement should have been restricted to her recollections of the event rather than speculation on motives and preferred punishment. Or was this about brand protection rather than fact gathering?
During her dealings with some officials she felt pressured to downplay the event and says she was told details of Martin's private life that were, frankly, none of her business. So those who were trying to protect Martin, actually betrayed him. At one point she says an official remarked, "He could go to jail and lose his job."
"I was the one made to feel guilty," she says.
Eventually the matter was handed to police (she learnt on social media of the decision) but the case was already compromised. The victim, who had been subjected to online abuse, would not co-operate and while witnesses confirmed the ugly incident they did not hear the threatening words she claimed the footballer uttered.
So Martin, clearly chastened by what happened, is free to play footy. One report suggested he was "shattered" by how he was perceived. So he became the victim while in some eyes the victim became the villain.
She's left wishing she remained silent. While she was not touched by Martin she feels bruised by the AFL.
"Having known what I've experienced would I ever have reported it? Absolutely not. Why have I been subjected to what has felt like a criminal investigation by a sporting body for simply having the courage to report inappropriate behaviour?
"I was utterly dismayed to learn of the blatant backgrounding to journalists by the AFL in an attempt to discredit me" – to the point where it was just a case of "a drunk kid being silly".
"It quickly became clear that my welfare was not a priority. This is about protecting the image of a lucrative business for the AFL."
On the back of the Martin probe AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan asked Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commissioner Kate Jenkins to review the league's Respect and Responsibility Policy and related matters.
(The commission long ago found that a prove, prosecute and punish policy such as the one used by the AFL simply doesn't work).
McLachlan is sincere in trying to change the culture and his decision to seek an outside review is the right one.
Jenkins completed a major review into sexual harassment and gender bias in the Victoria Police and recommended widespread changes. The review was commissioned by then chief commissioner Ken Lay, who has joined the Essendon Football Club board.
So Gill, here is a tip. Why don't you pinch him to join the AFL commission? He has worked tirelessly in the domestic violence area, has pushed gender reform and is an expert on process and unbiased investigations.
Which means I am telling the AFL how to do its job – which is exactly what they tried to do to my old man.
When it comes to football a large percentage of people simply lose their collective minds and no doubt some will see this as an attack on Martin.
It is not. He did the wrong thing and apologised. There is no reason to hang him out to dry.
But there will be those on (anti) social media who will have smoke coming out of their keyboards.
Indeed I feel sorry for our football writers, many of whom are subject to mindless abuse via the world wide web.
The exception is our recruiting and talent guru Emma Quayle. One fan wrote online he wanted to marry her because "she is really pretty and we could talk footy all day".
Now that is love.
We at The Age and Fairfax Media are told to engage with readers and embrace all channels of communication but personally I think the only tweet of any value comes from a canary down a coalmine.
Now it is not only the new media where people go a little nuts on footy as the mainstream can also lose its way.
Such as the case of a couple of Collingwood players who took sexually explicit selfies that were offered to the media.
Let's make this clear. The players may have been dumb but they didn't act illegally. (One was nude except for a pair of socks. Was this some strange foot fe-tish or was the floor cold? We shall never know).
From all reports the photos were sent to women consensually.
Those women appear to have provided them to Woman's Day on the proviso their identities are protected – although no doubt their names would have appeared on the once-respectable publication's chequebook.
Anonymity in the media should be used for whistleblowers, not gold diggers.
So the woman who complained about Martin is put through the wringer while those who profited from the Collingwood pictures are protected. Ain't life grand?
The two men are in relationships that may or may not be now under strain by this outrageous breach of privacy.
The publication gleefully announced its scoop with the cover blurb, "New AFL Crisis! Players Caught in Nude Photo Scandal! The pics that will break their partners' hearts."
What a pathetic way to make a living.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/afls-dustin-martin-said-sorry-so-why-does-the-victim-feel-betrayed-20160204-gmlbrd.html
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How can a persons identity possibly be kept private, I don't understand why our mods need to do this, not a crack at OER but all forums in general. I don't understand how this can be policed at all. What law is this? How is it different to someone naming her to a mate on the train and 20 passengers hear it?
Secondly, she named Dustin Martin. Publicly, if Dustin Martin knew her name, can he name her in public? Or can he be charged?
How is it consistent that she holds the right to not be named but she is legally allowed to publicly name Dustin?
It makes no sense that 1 party can name the other publicly yet can be exempt by all media to name her.
Not that I really care, but I just don't see any consistency with some supposed privacy law.
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I'm flabbergasted
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Who is the real victim?
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Who is the real victim?
Me for having to read 70 odd pages of chicken littles posts
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Media owe Dustin Martin an apology: Andy Maher
Justin Talent
SEN
23 Mar 2016, 05:09PM
Richmond star Dustin Martin’s unfair treatment after his drunken incident in a Chapel Street restaurant last December is something the media industry needs to apologise for, says Andy Maher.
The host of SEN Afternoons says the media’s behaviour in the wake of the incident, which led many notable figures including Tigers legend Kevin Bartlett to call for large fines and season-long suspensions, did not take into account Martin’s position at all and instead assumed guilt before any details were released.
The Richmond midfielder was eventually cleared of any wrong doing after Victoria Police investigated the incident.
“I reckon we should, as an industry offer Dustin Martin an apology because at the core of this is an individual who we don’t take into account at all,” Maher said.
“The immediate assumption is that Dustin Martin has done something wrong so let’s tear him to pieces.
“Now that the details and the facts of the matter certainly bring us a whole lot closer to the truth which is not the position that a lot of people took to begin with, I think he probably does deserve an apology.”
The Age footy writer Rohan Connolly agreed with Maher, however said that he believes the current “immediate” state of the media makes it likely a similar situation will happen again.
“What we should learn is not to jump too quickly. Will we learn that? Sadly I doubt it,” he said.
“We all know the media is an immediate industry now more than ever with the internet and Twitter and social media and that race to be first, breaking news is at a premium like I’ve never seen in my whole career.
“Plus you’ve got that coupled with a decrease in resources, the various checks and balances that apply to journalism are removed. There’s not as much of a safety net.
Connolly also believes the Martin story in particular only gained a lot of attention due to it occurring in the AFL off-season.
“Had it happened in May or June or July, I think there would have been less of a furore because there’s a heap of footy news around and the news cycle changes so quickly now, within 24 hours something is forgotten,” he said.
“What was a massive story that lasted over a week in December gets done and dusted within 24 hours in the middle of the season.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/afl/03-16/media-owe-dustin-martin-an-apology-andy-maher#ue3rGYlPIzRXwIpi.97
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stuff off dog.
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Sorry to stalk your posts again Ox.
I find Andy Maher quite balanced in his views both on his show and in this article. He is one of only a few on radio who express an opinion and is willing to concede and acknowledge the opinions of others. I also think he is spot on in this article. He has stuck up for the players, criticized his own profession as well as KB. And you tell him ,"stuff off dog"?
Is that because he didn't come out sooner and say this?
Or was it directed at Rohan Connelly?
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God knows
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ask him then.
Hey, Claude.......
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:lol