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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: mightytiges on December 26, 2015, 05:14:51 PM
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Just prior to Christmas, the Kiwis voted on a new flag design (see left one) which will go up against their current flag (on the right) in a referendum held in March, 2016.
(https://www.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/CBB-1904-govt.nz-750x202-Ref-Two.jpg)
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11559764&ref=NZH_Tw
Whether it gets up or not, good on those over there, including their conservative PM, for wanting a uniquely identifiable NZ flag rather than the old colonial/dominion one dominated by a foreign country's flag in the canton. Imagine trying to have a similar flag debate here :help.
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Good on them for having the courage.
It's probably insensitive to say this (well, I note this is titled 'controversial topic) but at the last referendum in 1999 re the Republic I said we'd need the majority of the pre-baby boomers to kick the bucket to tip the balance on these sorts of issues.
And compared to then I think we are a much more mature and confident country.
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yeah it was all the old idiots responsible for the cronulla riots.
good luck getting this mob to consider changing the flag to anything else at all
(http://i0.wp.com/www.boudist.com/images/bdo-07-189.JPG?resize=500%2C750)
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Good on them for having the courage.
It's probably insensitive to say this (well, I note this is titled 'controversial topic) but at the last referendum in 1999 re the Republic I said we'd need the majority of the pre-baby boomers to kick the bucket to tip the balance on these sorts of issues.
And compared to then I think we are a much more mature and confident country.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
I love the naivety of the young and starry-eyed.
And FWIW you will find strong support for a republic among the old and senile baby-boomers - we have far better memories of the deathly crimes committed against our best young people by the arrogant English warlords that used our parents and grandparents as cannon fodder than any of you young "mature and confident" worldly know-it-alls.
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Have to agree Smokey
Also, the referendum we had on becoming a republic was always doomed to fail, not because IMHO people didn't want to be a republic.
But because the model (option) was not what the majority wanted. It was a flawed model put forward by the then PM (a staunch monarchist) that was a an insult to the public.
If the model included the public having the right to elect the President, we would be a republic today, not a doubt in my mind.
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Yep. "The more mature and confident" country has/had nothing to do with it - it's all relevant to the wording of the options. :thumbsup
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Personally I'm a fan of the Union Jack, it's own history, and the history we inherit by carrying it. It's where we as a country have come from and an identity I would personally not like to forfeit.
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Good on them for having the courage.
It's probably insensitive to say this (well, I note this is titled 'controversial topic) but at the last referendum in 1999 re the Republic I said we'd need the majority of the pre-baby boomers to kick the bucket to tip the balance on these sorts of issues.
And compared to then I think we are a much more mature and confident country.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
I love the naivety of the young and starry-eyed.
And FWIW you will find strong support for a republic among the old and senile baby-boomers - we have far better memories of the deathly crimes committed against our best young people by the arrogant English warlords that used our parents and grandparents as cannon fodder than any of you young "mature and confident" worldly know-it-alls.
Thanks for calling me young Smokey :thumbsup
Just to reiterate, I said pre-baby boomer (I.e. born pre 1945) is where the monarchy support is.
But yes, the generations after the baby boomers will (and are) driving new ways of thinking. Those aged 55 to 70 have largely had there chance to drive change (and done so for better and worse).
But we are comparatively more worldly, better educated and travelled than your lot were when you were our age.
And as you are beginning contemplate whether you should try your first seniors meal, we're shaping and changing the world, which is as scary to the baby boomers as it is and was to Australians a generation older than you ;)
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Personally I'm a fan of the Union Jack, it's own history, and the history we inherit by carrying it. It's where we as a country have come from and an identity I would personally not like to forfeit.
But Australia has long had its own history and identity separate from that of the UK. We're all not Anglos :whistle. As an Australian-born with mixed ancestries but who sees himself as Australian and only Australian, the Union Jack means nothing to me other than it's a flag of a foreign country.
Furthermore, it's modern historical revisionism to claim the Union Jack is on our flag for "heritage" reasons (I know this is now taught in schools :facepalm but it doesn't make it any less baseless and simply untrue). The Union Jack is there because it had to be when the flag was first created. No non-British ensign design would've been allowed to win the 1901 flag competition. Our current flag is simply a blue British ensign with stars added as local symbols (i.e. 'defaced') as was required within the British Empire back then. Britain was our superior and we were subservient to Britain, which is what the Union Jack in the canton represents (a standard rule in vexillology). All colonies/dominions of the British Empire were required to have one of these 'defaced' British ensign flags (mainly to identify where merchant ships came from). Canada, India, South Africa, NZ, Kenya, etc ... (a quarter of the land mass of the Earth) all had a 'defaced' British ensign flag too but virtually all have since changed their flag to one of their own.
In 2015, the British Empire is no more and long gone and Australia has, over the past 114 years, systematically separated itself from Britian (the 1986 Australia Act officially made the UK a foreign country to us). We are no longer ruled over by a foreign country, so the Union Jack should go from our flag's canton and from our flag full stop.
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Who is it we (Australia) owe a trillion dollars to?
http://barnabyisright.com/resources-articles/who-owns-our-debt/
You don't get rules by war , you get rules economically
Who owns that 73% foreign debt...
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Who is it we (Australia) owe a trillion dollars to?
http://barnabyisright.com/resources-articles/who-owns-our-debt/
You don't get rules by war , you get rules economically
Who owns that 73% foreign debt...
cares
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Mt cares in his last part about ownership of Australia
Australia owes a trillion dollars to someone... 'All other'
WGAF what's on the flag
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Personally I'm a fan of the Union Jack, it's own history, and the history we inherit by carrying it. It's where we as a country have come from and an identity I would personally not like to forfeit.
But Australia has long had its own history and identity separate from that of the UK. We're all not Anglos :whistle. As an Australian-born with mixed ancestries but who sees himself as Australian and only Australian, the Union Jack means nothing to me other than it's a flag of a foreign country.
Furthermore, it's modern historical revisionism to claim the Union Jack is on our flag for "heritage" reasons (I know this is now taught in schools :facepalm but it doesn't make it any less baseless and simply untrue). The Union Jack is there because it had to be when the flag was first created. No non-British ensign design would've been allowed to win the 1901 flag competition. Our current flag is simply a blue British ensign with stars added as local symbols (i.e. 'defaced') as was required within the British Empire back then. Britain was our superior and we were subservient to Britain, which is what the Union Jack in the canton represents (a standard rule in vexillology). All colonies/dominions of the British Empire were required to have one of these 'defaced' British ensign flags (mainly to identify where merchant ships came from). Canada, India, South Africa, NZ, Kenya, etc ... (a quarter of the land mass of the Earth) all had a 'defaced' British ensign flag too but virtually all have since changed their flag to one of their own.
In 2015, the British Empire is no more and long gone and Australia has, over the past 114 years, systematically separated itself from Britian (the 1986 Australia Act officially made the UK a foreign country to us). We are no longer ruled over by a foreign country, so the Union Jack should go from our flag's canton and from our flag full stop.
Blood has been spilled and victories have been won for that flag. There will be no tradition if it is just thrown out every generation or two. If the flag is changed I'm sure in another 50 years we will raise the question again because it doesn't mean anything to so many of us that haven't seen it fly for anything meaningful. Take the anthem for example. The majority who want it changed are those who remember singing God Save Our Queen at school. Then there are those of us who have known nothing more than Advance Australia Fair and consider the thought of changing it sacrilege. Sure I'm Anglo (actually more Saxon than Anglo but still) and I couldn't really give a stuff what ethnicity someone has descended from, what Australia considers the UK as or what any other country has done, to me it is a very important part of where this country has come from.
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Another myth I'm sorry. "Blood has been spilled and victories have been won for that flag" is just factually incorrect.
from http://www.ausflag.com.au/red_ensign.asp
Our opponents in this debate like to rewrite history and pretend that our current national flag - the blue Australian ensign - has been our national flag forever and that people have "fought and died" for it. This is one of their prime arguments against change, and they use it very emotively. They ignore the Red Ensign, despite its overwhelming use in Australia and overseas during the first half of the 20th century.
There are many problems with this argument. The first is that the blue ensign became Australia′s national flag only in 1954. Prior to that date, its use by ordinary citizens was strongly and actively discouraged. The blue flag was not some glorious and romantic flag of the people, but an instrument of Government, much like the Coat of Arms.
This meant that the public didn′t officially have a flag to fly other than the Union Jack, which is what many people did. In this official vacuum, if anyone wanted a more Australian symbol they used the red ensign as a de-facto Civil Flag. It was not strictly correct, but it happened at every level of the community, including the Armed Services.
The second problem with this argument is that members of the Armed Services in Australia never "fought and died" for a flag anyway. They fought and died for our country - a subtle but important difference.
The third problem is that there is a wealth of pictorial evidence which proves that the red ensign was the flag which both the public and members of the Armed Services overwhelmingly related to and "adopted" as Australia′s de-facto national flag prior to 1954. This period of course includes both World War I and World War II.
and from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_White_Ensign
The Australian White Ensign (also known as the Australian Naval Ensign or the Royal Australian Navy Ensign) is a naval ensign used by ships of the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) from 1967 onwards. From the formation of the RAN until 1967, Australian warships used the British White Ensign as their ensign. However, this led to situations where Australian vessels were mistaken for British ships, and when Australia became involved in the Vietnam War, the RAN was effectively fighting under the flag of another, uninvolved nation.
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Thanks for the link and clarification that wars have been fought, the country has been represented by and international competitions have been won with that flag since '54 :cheers
You need to also re-read my post in regards to the anthem for the subjective nature of my opinion and why I think that way.
Military ensigns are often different for every nation too, doofus.
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Thanks for the link and clarification that wars have been fought, the country has been represented by and international competitions have been won with that flag since '54 :cheers
You need to also re-read my post in regards to the anthem for the subjective nature of my opinion and why I think that way.
Military ensigns are often different for every nation too, doofus.
You said "Blood has been spilled and victories have been won for that flag."
And now it's about " international competitions"
Wrong again, it is the green and gold that represents Australia not the blue ensign.
:cheers.
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Give it up grandad, I said victories mostly in reference to sporting achievements as we haven't really won anything by storming beaches. It was a generalisation, sorry for not copy and pasting my opinion and being precise about it. Put your glasses back on if you've never seen the flag flown at a competition :lol
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Give it up grandad, I said victories mostly in reference to sporting achievements as we haven't really won anything by storming beaches. It was a generalisation, sorry for not copy and pasting my opinion and being precise about it. Put your glasses back on if you've never seen the flag flown at a competition :lol
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No problems I will accept your backtracking.
Personally I'm a fan of the Union Jack, it's own history, and the history we inherit by carrying it. It's where we as a country have come from and an identity I would personally not like to forfeit.
More people that have come from other countries than from the country with the Union Jack.
Fact (Hi Jackstar).
and the Union Jack is actually three flags combined.
Maybe our new flag should combine all the flags that represent where our people have come from not just those from Great Britain.
Or maybe something entirely new.
:cheers
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Thoughts?
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJ2h9MTibNq8e_xCP6J2XAh-eTYaWKw7CjI2lIc_UdM71HmAwyY6425dg8)
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Thoughts?
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJ2h9MTibNq8e_xCP6J2XAh-eTYaWKw7CjI2lIc_UdM71HmAwyY6425dg8)
Make the green black and the blue ochre (desert sand colour) and I'm with you.
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Personally I'm a fan of the Union Jack, it's own history, and the history we inherit by carrying it. It's where we as a country have come from and an identity I would personally not like to forfeit.
But Australia has long had its own history and identity separate from that of the UK. We're all not Anglos :whistle. As an Australian-born with mixed ancestries but who sees himself as Australian and only Australian, the Union Jack means nothing to me other than it's a flag of a foreign country.
Furthermore, it's modern historical revisionism to claim the Union Jack is on our flag for "heritage" reasons (I know this is now taught in schools :facepalm but it doesn't make it any less baseless and simply untrue). The Union Jack is there because it had to be when the flag was first created. No non-British ensign design would've been allowed to win the 1901 flag competition. Our current flag is simply a blue British ensign with stars added as local symbols (i.e. 'defaced') as was required within the British Empire back then. Britain was our superior and we were subservient to Britain, which is what the Union Jack in the canton represents (a standard rule in vexillology). All colonies/dominions of the British Empire were required to have one of these 'defaced' British ensign flags (mainly to identify where merchant ships came from). Canada, India, South Africa, NZ, Kenya, etc ... (a quarter of the land mass of the Earth) all had a 'defaced' British ensign flag too but virtually all have since changed their flag to one of their own.
In 2015, the British Empire is no more and long gone and Australia has, over the past 114 years, systematically separated itself from Britian (the 1986 Australia Act officially made the UK a foreign country to us). We are no longer ruled over by a foreign country, so the Union Jack should go from our flag's canton and from our flag full stop.
Blood has been spilled and victories have been won for that flag. There will be no tradition if it is just thrown out every generation or two. If the flag is changed I'm sure in another 50 years we will raise the question again because it doesn't mean anything to so many of us that haven't seen it fly for anything meaningful. Take the anthem for example. The majority who want it changed are those who remember singing God Save Our Queen at school. Then there are those of us who have known nothing more than Advance Australia Fair and consider the thought of changing it sacrilege. Sure I'm Anglo (actually more Saxon than Anglo but still) and I couldn't really give a stuff what ethnicity someone has descended from, what Australia considers the UK as or what any other country has done, to me it is a very important part of where this country has come from.
:thumbsup
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Thoughts?
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJ2h9MTibNq8e_xCP6J2XAh-eTYaWKw7CjI2lIc_UdM71HmAwyY6425dg8)
Make the green black and the blue ochre (desert sand colour) and I'm with you.
Really? What does black, yellow and red(ish) represent other than the colours of the aboriginal flag? Shouldn't we pick a set of colours which best represents a unified Australia rather than a single group?
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Thoughts?
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJ2h9MTibNq8e_xCP6J2XAh-eTYaWKw7CjI2lIc_UdM71HmAwyY6425dg8)
Make the green black and the blue ochre (desert sand colour) and I'm with you.
It will look like the kangaroo has diarrhoea and is spraying a runny crap
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I'd vote for a good design incorporating a kangaroo and the southern cross over that with an English flag on it any day of the week.
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Green and gold is crap.
South Africa,Brazil......etc
Imo, a kangaroo is a low iq representation of a floundering nation.
Australia could learn from NZ AND ITS ACCEPTANCE AND ACKNOWLEDEMENT of their indigenous history.
Oz must replace the rubbish stars in the top left corner with
with the aboriginal flag.
Get it right
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The only flags I care about are Richmond flags. All others are stupid & gay.
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then arn't you just ignoring another part of our history?
To me if the flag is to somehow represent the aborigines, then should it also still incorporate the union jack, after all they are both parts of this countries history?
Personally, I want the Union Jack gone, and the flag design should represent what we are, or what we aspire to, not what we have been.
I'd actually liked the idea of a sprig of wattle with the southern cross, but now it seems the kiwis have beaten us to the punch with that concept.
It's a shame the eureka stockade flag is so heavily associated with the BLF, as that flag and actions associated with it started the ball rolling to Australians being able to vote on our leaders rather than have them appointed by the mother country.
what colors could we use that no one else does?
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Haha BLF...remember my mate being chased out of a building site on the way to school because he went in and asked if he could have a free Norm....
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I think replacing the stars with blowflies would be appropriate
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Adam Goodes head over a rainbow....
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I think replacing the stars with blowflies would be appropriate
could be onto something there.
Replace the federation star with a thunderbox and you end with something like this
(http://i.imgur.com/CWuHsOu.png)
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I think replacing the stars with blowflies would be appropriate
could be onto something there.
Replace the federation star with a thunderbox and you end with something like this
(http://i.imgur.com/CWuHsOu.png)
Good work Penny your talents are wasted on the boguns here
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Complete overhaul needed.
As it stands, it basically says we are British.
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I think replacing the stars with blowflies would be appropriate
could be onto something there.
Replace the federation star with a thunderbox and you end with something like this
(http://i.imgur.com/CWuHsOu.png)
Can't say it's not an improvement
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How about this one?
(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr05/24/22/enhanced-buzz-17809-1390621501-10.jpg)
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How about this one?
(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr05/24/22/enhanced-buzz-17809-1390621501-10.jpg)
Better than current but it's a bit simple
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so is canada's, but it is instantly recognisable
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Yeah would be a great flag.....if we ever merge with Jamaica...
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How about this one?
(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr05/24/22/enhanced-buzz-17809-1390621501-10.jpg)
See what you mean.
Maybe change the black to ochre?
:cheers
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Yeah would be a great flag.....if we ever merge with Jamaica...
heres the jamacian flag
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Flag_of_Jamaica.svg/300px-Flag_of_Jamaica.svg.png)
what colors could we use that no other country does?
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Would like to see our Coat of Arms on our flag instead of the Union Jack
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Yeah would be a great flag.....if we ever merge with Jamaica...
heres the jamacian flag
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Flag_of_Jamaica.svg/300px-Flag_of_Jamaica.svg.png)
what colors could we use that no other country does?
Leave out the green & one of the yellow bars ... that should do it! ;D
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Saw a picture of ancestor at the boar war with a big f I elephant gun or something
Feeling eerily patriotic.
Oi. Oi. Oi.
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Green and gold is crap.
South Africa,Brazil......etc
Imo, a kangaroo is a low iq representation of a floundering nation.
Australia could learn from NZ AND ITS ACCEPTANCE AND ACKNOWLEDEMENT of their indigenous history.
Oz must replace the rubbish stars in the top left corner with
with the aboriginal flag.
Get it right
Absolutely agree with this.
Need to incorporate the entire indigenous flag, or at least the colours.
And our famous green and gold.
I would also REALLY like to change our national anthem. I find our current one boring, just kinda drones on.
'I Am Australian' is a great song, fun to sing along to, uplifting, acknowledges our British/convict roots as well as our indigenous population.
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Who is it we (Australia) owe a trillion dollars to?
http://barnabyisright.com/resources-articles/who-owns-our-debt/
You don't get rules by war , you get rules economically
Who owns that 73% foreign debt...
cares
Yes, why worry about who we owe a trillion dollars to
When there are the big questions at play like what colours should we paint the stupid flag
Remarkable
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Personally I'm a fan of the Union Jack, it's own history, and the history we inherit by carrying it. It's where we as a country have come from and an identity I would personally not like to forfeit.
But Australia has long had its own history and identity separate from that of the UK. We're all not Anglos :whistle. As an Australian-born with mixed ancestries but who sees himself as Australian and only Australian, the Union Jack means nothing to me other than it's a flag of a foreign country.
Furthermore, it's modern historical revisionism to claim the Union Jack is on our flag for "heritage" reasons (I know this is now taught in schools :facepalm but it doesn't make it any less baseless and simply untrue). The Union Jack is there because it had to be when the flag was first created. No non-British ensign design would've been allowed to win the 1901 flag competition. Our current flag is simply a blue British ensign with stars added as local symbols (i.e. 'defaced') as was required within the British Empire back then. Britain was our superior and we were subservient to Britain, which is what the Union Jack in the canton represents (a standard rule in vexillology). All colonies/dominions of the British Empire were required to have one of these 'defaced' British ensign flags (mainly to identify where merchant ships came from). Canada, India, South Africa, NZ, Kenya, etc ... (a quarter of the land mass of the Earth) all had a 'defaced' British ensign flag too but virtually all have since changed their flag to one of their own.
In 2015, the British Empire is no more and long gone and Australia has, over the past 114 years, systematically separated itself from Britian (the 1986 Australia Act officially made the UK a foreign country to us). We are no longer ruled over by a foreign country, so the Union Jack should go from our flag's canton and from our flag full stop.
Blood has been spilled and victories have been won for that flag. There will be no tradition if it is just thrown out every generation or two. If the flag is changed I'm sure in another 50 years we will raise the question again because it doesn't mean anything to so many of us that haven't seen it fly for anything meaningful. Take the anthem for example. The majority who want it changed are those who remember singing God Save Our Queen at school. Then there are those of us who have known nothing more than Advance Australia Fair and consider the thought of changing it sacrilege. Sure I'm Anglo (actually more Saxon than Anglo but still) and I couldn't really give a stuff what ethnicity someone has descended from, what Australia considers the UK as or what any other country has done, to me it is a very important part of where this country has come from.
Traditions are changed and new ones created all the time. Old ones become irrelevant and newer relevant ones come into existence in their place. It use to be tradition to forbid sport being played on Anzac Day or to work on a Sunday. The tradition of the annual Boxing Day Test at the 'G only began in 1980, whereas the tradition of the Australia Day test at the Adelaide Oval has gone by the wayside with the A-League taking its place to create a new Aussie Soccer tradition. As you mentioned dwaino, we've changed our national anthem to our own unique Australian one, despite blood being spilled and victories won under 'God Save the King/Queen' for 80 years (make that almost 200 years if you include our colonial history as well).
A nation evolves, changes and progresses. It takes and incorporates ideas and institutions inherited from older as well as contemporary civilisations and then adds its own ideas, hence creating and developing its own unique identity and culture over time.
Britain's history is itself a perfect illustration of this process. It traces ideas and institutions right back to Roman times where they inherited written language in Latin script, the rule of law that underpins weatern society, cities including London, York and Bath, roads and other key infrastructure, Christianity, art, architecture, maths and science from antiquity, etc. The modern roots of the British people come from Germanic barbarian migrations and French (Norman) conquest/influences from which the English language, culture, government & executive evolved. The Renaissance from continental Europe (mainly Italy) brought with it a rebirth of science which enabled the development of much improved ship-building and navigating technology for exploration and conquest of distant lands beyond the local seas that would become the British Empire. Yet, despite coming from all this foreign heritage and tradition over millenia, there's no S.P.Q.R., no old Germanic, no Norman-French, nor any other flag in the canton of the Union Jack for "heritage" reasons. Instead, from these inherited sources, Britain and its people evolved into a nation with its own unique sense of identity, culture, nationhood and their own independent flag.
Australia and us Australians have gone through the same nationhood evolutionary process incorporating inherited, borrowed and our very own ideas:
* After the Eureka stockade, near-universal male suffrage and the secret ballot was introduced in Victoria (and before the UK did).
* Female suffrage in Australia also pre-dates that of the UK.
* Upon Federation - the Senate, state upper houses and the name of the federal lower house borrowed ideas and names from the USA. We're a federated state unlike the UK.
* The hellfire of Gallipoli and the massive death and casualty toll of WWI from carnage and disease/illness gave birth to a separate Australian identity. My dad's side of the family certainly switched from being monarchists to republicans thanks to WWI (a great uncle died in the war).
* It took until 1930 to gain our own Aussie governor-general despite opposition and disapproval from King George V and the British parliament.
* It took until 1942 post-Federation before we were no longer answerable to the British parliament via the Statute of Westminster.
* In WWII, the USA came to our military aid when Britain didn't/couldn't/wouldn't.
* In 1966, the introduction of decimal currency meant a switch to the American terminology of dollars and cents which replaced the old pound, shilling and pence.
* It took until 1967 before indigenous Australians were recognised as citizens in their own country.
* In the late 1960s, for the first time, Britain didn't fight alongside us in a major conflict (Vietnam).
* It took until 1972 until the White Australia policy was fully abolished.
* It took until 1984 before we had our own unique national anthem.
* It took until 1986 before the Act of Australia separated our legal processes totally from the UK and as a consequence the UK became a foreign country under Australian law.
* Demographically, we have changed significantly over the past century. The majority of Aussies now no longer come from the UK. All of us make Australia what it is today.
From all this unique Australian history has grown our very own unique sense of identity, culture and nationhood.
And there's two final pieces of our evolutionary process to go:
(i) having our own Aussie head of state.
(ii) having our own flag which no longer (and wrongly) says we're still a subordinate colony/dominion of some other country in the 21st century.
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How about this one?
(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr05/24/22/enhanced-buzz-17809-1390621501-10.jpg)
See what you mean.
Maybe change the black to ochre?
:cheers
I would go for blue. Not only would it symbolize evolution over revolution but it would combine Australia's traditional heraldic colours of blue and gold with our national colours of green and gold.
The tri-colour works well too as an overview of Australia's history. Blue (British colonial history), Yellow (from the indigenous flag representing 40,000 years of indigenous history) and Green (post-Federation history to the present).
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/newflagausotherrev.png)
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Looks good to me. :thumbsup
Are there any other countries with the same colours?
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Looks good to me. :thumbsup
Are there any other countries with the same colours?
Brazil
(http://flagpedia.net/data/flags/ultra/br.png)
Gabon
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Flag_of_Gabon.svg/1280px-Flag_of_Gabon.svg.png)
Rwanda
(http://flagpedia.net/data/flags/ultra/rw.png)
Solomon Islands
(http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/flags/countrys/zzzflags/sollarge.gif)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
(http://shop.flagshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/f/l/flag-world-st-vincent-grenadines.gif)
Christmas Island (which is an Australian terrority) has an unofficial flag with blue, gold and green.
(http://www.ausflag.com.au/assets/images/ci.gif)
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So there are almost no colour combinations that don't already exist.
I still think that the red desert colour may be the one colour that will set any new flag apart from the rest of the world.
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So there are almost no colour combinations that don't already exist.
I still think that the red desert colour may be the one colour that will set any new flag apart from the rest of the world.
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It'll still look red from a distance and many African countries have red, yellow and green. It's pretty hard to find unique colours with 200+ countries in the world. We currently share blue, white and red with a stack of countries.
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Here's a new Aussie flag survey ...
Let the people choose
Welcome and thank you for taking part in this flag survey!
Australia has never had a truly democratic process to choose a national flag. The 1901 competition for a flag of government — not national flag — required a British element and British approval. The winning design, the Blue Ensign, became the national flag only in 1954 when the Queen assented to Prime Minister Robert Menzies’ Flags Act. The people were not involved.
A national conversation on the Australian flag and a democratic vote is long overdue but this is also notoriously difficult. Proponents for various flags tend to have one favourite which they cling to and this hurts the effort for a broad change the flag movement.
The New Zealand flag referendum has taken a sensible approach worth adopting. A flag panel was set up to select four credible flags. After a groundswell of support for a fifth design, it was added to the group. The preliminary referendum ran from 20 November – 11 December 2015. The winning design, the Silver Fern, will be pitted against the current New Zealand flag in a second referendum in March 2016.
The advantage of this system is that it allows a credible alternative to be democratically chosen. With infinite flag variations, it is almost impossible for one flag to gain adequate momentum. By offering four and then letting the people choose a favourite, critical mass can be reached. Supporters of the losing designs would be encouraged to vote for the winner.
In the same spirit, here are six credible alternatives to the current Australian flag. Even if you would prefer to keep the current flag, you are encouraged to express your opinion on these designs. Voting will remain open until 26 January 2016. Please feel free to share this survey widely.
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Six Flags for Australia
1. The Eureka Flag
The Eureka flag is an iconic Australian symbol associated with the Diggers who fought at the Eureka Stockade. The advantage of this flag is that it has a revolutionary history going back to 1854. It is the first flag to be called “the Australian Flag” and it was flown as an act of rebellion against unjust mining taxes. The original flag is kept at the Museum of Australian Democracy in Ballarat.
A possible disadvantage is that the flag has been appropriated by many groups; unions, communists, white nationalists, and most recently, the Reclaim Australia movement. Some may say it has too much ideological baggage but it is certainly an powerful flag with an indisputable place in Australian history.
2. Southern Horizon
The Southern Horizon flag was designed by Brett Moxey and offers a simple but instantly recognisable design. It maintains the Federation Star and the Southern Cross — the two most popular elements of the Blue Ensign. The national colours of green and gold are represented in a wave. This not only makes the flag unique but also represents the hills and plains and Australia’s beaches. Significantly, the Federation Star is in the top left signifying that the people and our democratic system, not the British, are the ultimate source of power in this nation.
3. Reconciliation Flag
The Reconciliation Flag was designed by ANU academic, Dr John Blaxland. The flag is deliberately complex. The argument here is that a new flag should be embedded with meaning. It should be unique and show the world who we are as a people. The traditional Aboriginal colours of red, yellow, and black acknowledge our first peoples. The seven point star represents Federation. It is comprised of 250 small yellow dots, representing the distinct indigenous cultures that occupied this land. The red, white and blue indicate our British institutions. The Southern Cross is green and gold, like the Wattle.
4. Sporting Flag
Ausflag, an independent lobby group for a new national flag, designed a Sporting Flag in 2013.The immediate aim was to give Australian sports fans a patriotic flag to wave, especially during the Ashes and other competitions against England or Great Britain. The flag is another credible alternative to the national flag. The strength of this design is its simplicity, something schoolchildren could draw. It is apolitical with no ideological baggage of the left or right. It represents multicultural Australia, rather than privileging British heritage.
5. Golden Wattle
The Golden Wattle is Australia’s official floral emblem and Wattle Day is celebrated on 1 September every year. President of the Wattle Day Association, Terry Fewtrell, argues that the wattle links us to the earliest human occupation of this continent. Indigenous Australians have used wattle for thousands of years as a season marker, as a source of food and the raw material for hunting and sound instruments. The wattle emblem is made up of smaller spherical flowers. Each flower is arranged in a circle to create the Commonwealth Star in the centre. The individual flowers arranged as one, suggest the idea of diversity, and the unity of our nation.
6. Southern Cross
The 1991 Ausflag competition winner was a simple blue flag with a white southern cross. Academic, Russell Kennedy has modified the design to include yellow stars, linking it to the Aboriginal flag. The blue is retained as a link to the current Australian flag and Torres Strait Island flag. Blue and yellow were also the original colours of the Australian coat of arms. This flag has a strong, recognisable and symmetrical design which can be supported by a genuine unifying claim that people have lived under the Southern Cross in Australia for between 40,000 and 70,000 years.
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Complete the flag survey here: https://qtrial2015az1.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_6zBM4qRsPH4HN1r
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Eureka :shh
REname the country melbourne victory fc too
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A flag design called the 'Southern Horizon' is the most popular choice out of six alternative designs, in a survey of 8140 people organised by Western Sydney University.
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Australians want a new national flag - but not too different from the existing one, it seems.
Revealing the results on Australia Day, Dr Jones said 31 per cent of respondents voted for Southern Horizon, followed by the Reconciliation Flag, which attracted 28 per cent of the vote.
The survey found 64 per cent of respondents believed the Australian flag should change, compared with 36 per cent who believed it should remain the same.
The Eureka Flag came third, with 15 per cent of the vote, however many people rejected the design for its "negative association with unions and extreme right-wing groups", Dr Jones said.
The Golden Wattle flag, the Sporting Flag, and the Southern Cross flag were the least popular.
The most common responses when asked what elements should be in a new Australian flag were: "simplicity", "Southern Cross", and "green and gold".
Most participants who favoured a new flag suggested they would support any design that did not have a Union Jack, even if it was not their favourite, Dr Jones said.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/southern-horizon-favoured-for-australias-new-national-flag-survey-shows-20160126-gmdzwz.html
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Extreme right wing grouos wrap te current flag around da face ffs
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Who is it we (Australia) owe a trillion dollars to?
http://barnabyisright.com/resources-articles/who-owns-our-debt/
You don't get rules by war , you get rules economically
Who owns that 73% foreign debt...
cares
Incoming deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce
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www.theage.com.au/world/new-zealand-flag-referendum-kiwis-vote-to-keep-current-flag-20160324-gnqpm7.html
...if the supposedly far more "progressive" kiwis rejected a new flag, then fat chance of one getting up over here anytime soon....
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Turnbull reckons we won't ever change the flag.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-says-the-australian-flag-is-unlikely-to-ever-change-20180126-h0oote.html
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, once a campaigner for a new Australian flag, says it unlikely to ever shift from the current design.
Mr Turnbull predicted the flag, which was first flown in 1901, would be flying over Parliament House "long after all of us have shuffled off the stage of history" and said younger people regarded it as an Australian symbol without focusing on the Union Jack in the upper left corner.
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GOOD
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Turnbull reckons we won't ever change the flag.
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-says-the-australian-flag-is-unlikely-to-ever-change-20180126-h0oote.html
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, once a campaigner for a new Australian flag, says it unlikely to ever shift from the current design.
Mr Turnbull predicted the flag, which was first flown in 1901, would be flying over Parliament House "long after all of us have shuffled off the stage of history" and said younger people regarded it as an Australian symbol without focusing on the Union Jack in the upper left corner.
Says the puppet PM who has sold out on virtually everything he once stood for so his conservative backbench doesn't knife him out of the Lodge and put Abbott back in :whistle.
The current flag is a 'defaced' British ensign flag. A bit hard not to focus on the Union Jack unless you're totally clueless as to why it's there in the canton :wallywink. Then again this current 'debate' about Jan 26 has shown up how many people are totally clueless about Australian history. Especially those that abuse you for pointing out our nation actually began on Jan 1, 1901 :help. We had the leader of those far-right idiots post on twitter that today was the anniversary of when Australia was discovered (yeah you're a real patriot, moron :lol) and of course the other day we had Cook's statue splashed/vandalised with pink paint :facepalm followed by the Herald-Sun online claiming Cook was responsible for the first settlement at Sydney Cove :facepalm. Ummm .... Cook had nothing to do with Jan 26, 1778. He was killed 9 years earlier and even if we stick with the (false) old school 'discovery' of Australia version, he did so in April 1770 (sighted land on the 19th and landed at Botany Bay on the 29th).