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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 04, 2016, 04:20:29 AM
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RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Brisbane Lions: Daniel Rich
Collingwood: Nathan Brown , Steele Sidebottom
Melbourne: Jack Grimes, Jack Watts
Richmond: Ty Vickery
St Kilda: Sean Dempster
UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Adelaide: Ricky Henderson, Scott Thompson, Nathan van Berlo
Brisbane Lions: Daniel Merrett
Carlton: Dennis Armfield, Kade Simpson
Collingwood: Jarryd Blair, Brent Macaffer, Dane Swan, Alan Toovey
Essendon: Courtenay Dempsey, Heath Hocking, Cale Hooker, David Myers, Tayte Pears, Brent Stanton
Fremantle: Zac Clarke, Matt de Boer, Chris Mayne, Matthew Pavlich, Clancee Pearce, Aaron Sandilands
Geelong: Jimmy Bartel, Corey Enright, Tom Lonergan
Hawthorn: Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Brendan Whitecross
Melbourne: Neville Jetta, Jake Spencer
North Melbourne: Michael Firrito, Brent Harvey, Drew Petrie, Lindsay Thomas
Port Adelaide: Paul Stewart
St Kilda: Sam Fisher, Leigh Montagna, Nick Riewoldt
Sydney: Kieren Jack, Ted Richards
West Coast: Mitch Brown, Sam Butler, Patrick McGinnity, Will Schofield
Western Bulldogs: Matthew Boyd, Will Minson, Dale Morris, Robert Murphy
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/big-names-head-afls-free-agency-list-for-2016-20160302-gn9560.html
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Need to sign Vickery now. I thought Rich had signed for the Lions??
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Need to sign Vickery now. I thought Rich had signed for the Lions??
Do you mean as of today?
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Need to sign Vickery now. I thought Rich had signed for the Lions??
Do you mean as of today?
Well later today, after the Diaz/McGreggor fight... :snidegrin
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Need to sign Vickery now. I thought Rich had signed for the Lions??
Do you mean as of today?
Well later today, after the Diaz/McGreggor fight... :snidegrin
OK Cool
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Vickery would look good in blue and red.
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Well they do need a replacement for Hogan
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TV aint going anywhere, you l know that. Benny Gale reiterated it awhile back and it'll just be a formality signing him. Who else would pick him up and for what?
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Talls/KPP's get overs.....look at spuds like Stanley & Dawes.....hell, look at Hamspud.....reckon Vickery would actually attract fairly decent offers....
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Analysis: Clubs swoop early to limit free agency risk
AFL.com.au
March 4, 2016
THIS year's free agency pool is drying up at a rapid rate.
Already it has lost much of its star power, with prospective 2016 free agents such as Dan Hannebery, Jack Riewoldt, Scott Pendlebury and Todd Goldstein all re-signing last year.
Worse still for cashed-up suitors, remaining free agents Daniel Rich and Steele Sidebottom are expected to join them shortly.
With the AFL releasing its official free agency list on Thursday, AFL.com.au takes a look at the players still up for grabs and who might be on the move.
Richmond
Tyrone Vickery (restricted)
AFL.com.au says: The Tigers released the 2016 free agency pressure valve last year when they re-signed Jack Riewoldt and Shane Edwards to long-term deals. Vickery's ability to rotate between attack and the ruck makes him an attractive commodity for opposition clubs, with the 25-year-old understood to be in no rush to decide his future.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-03/analysis-clubs-swoop-early-to-limit-free-agency-risk
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Updated list of other clubs' free agents:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-27/update-free-agency-watch
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Ty Vickery
RICHMOND
Restricted The 25-year-old's ability to rotate between attack and the ruck makes him an attractive commodity for opposition clubs, especially after his solid start to 2016. He is understood to be in no rush to decide his future, but rival clubs expect he'll stay at Punt Road.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-27/update-free-agency-watch
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Flick the Vick.
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Trade him and his old man in an old fashioned 2 for 1 deal
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Trade Ty for a real KPF and his old man for Rhonda Rhousey
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Couldnt care less for him
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Womens team?
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Begin talks with Freo ASAP, a desperate Lyon may just be tempted. Take whatever we can get and 'make off like a thief in the night'. Chol (and hopefully McBean) will go straight past him next year in any event.
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Begin talks with Freo ASAP, a desperate Lyon may just be tempted. Take whatever we can get and 'make off like a thief in the night'. Chol (and hopefully McBean) will go straight past him next year in any event.
Like the sound of this, but realistically he can leave for nothing and we'd be stupid AF to match any offer made by any club.
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If he's half a forward and half a ruckman do you think we could get a real KPF or ruckman for him?
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If he's half a forward and half a ruckman do you think we could get a real KPF or ruckman for him?
:pray
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If we do lose Vickery what would we get as compensation? First round pick immediately after our first round pick?
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If we do lose Vickery what would we get as compensation? First round pick immediately after our first round pick?
Depends on what the contract he is offered is.....
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If we do lose Vickery what would we get as compensation? First round pick immediately after our first round pick?
Depends on what the contract he is offered is.....
Id guess he would need to be offered around thr 500 mark if he was to leave, which would put it at end of first round. Wouldnt be the worst result in a rebuild
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seriously hope he gets snapped up by another club, dont care if we even get a 3rd or 4th rounder. Just FHO and Griff too
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seriously hope he gets snapped up by another club, dont care if we even get a 3rd or 4th rounder. Just FHO and Griff too
Has to be worth a box of crispy cremes at least. A bit ironic anyway some cremes for a creme puff lol.
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this year is the last year of compo picks
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Tyrone Vickery trade: Richmond is considering matching Hawthorn’s free agent offer to force a trade
Jake Niall
Foxsports
15 September 2016
RICHMOND is considering matching a free agent offer for Tyrone Vickery, in a move that could force Hawthorn to trade for the forward.
The Tigers have indicated to third parties that they would match an offer for Vickery if that offer does not provide the club with adequate compensation in the draft.
Hawthorn has reportedly made Vickery a three year offer. Under the usual pattern of free agency, Vickery’s current club would simply let him leave and accept whatever draft pick his contract earns.
But the Tigers, clearly, recognise that if Hawthorn hands Vickery a modest contract then the compensation pick will be in the later rounds of the draft. Carlton did not receive any compensation for Jarrad Waite, who joined North Melbourne on a two year deal at end of 2014.
The Tigers can match any offer because Vickery is a restricted free agent — which places him in the top 25 per cent for player payments at Richmond. Vickery is understood to have been paid more than $400,000 this year.
Richmond does not have an offer on the table for Vickery, who is overseas.
If the Tigers aren’t bluffing and they do match a Vickery offer, this could force the Hawks to give up a draft pick for the tall forward, in what could be a small complication to Hawthorn’s plans to land Gold Coast midfielder Jaeger O’Meara and Sydney’s Tom Mitchell.
Technically no club has formally matched a free agent offer, although the Adelaide Crows effectively did so by telling Geelong that they would match the six year offer for Patrick Dangerfield — a move that compelled the Cats to trade for the superstar, rather than picking him up for nothing.
For the Cats, the advantage of trading for Dangerfield was that it enabled them to acquire the superstar on a highly affordable contract — close to $850,000 per season — and they did not have to increase their offer to an astronomical level that Adelaide wouldn’t match.
Vickery has had an indifferent 2016 and ended the season in the VFL, as the Tigers trialled younger players. He has shown considerable ability in the past, however, and is a proven goalkicker. He booted 36 goals in 2011 and 31 goals in 15 games in 2015.
Hawthorn confirmed earlier this week that O’Meara has requested a trade to the Hawks.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-is-considering-matching-hawthorns-free-agent-offer-for-tyrone-vickery-to-force-a-trade/news-story/c2825a5bf80032344307ae64a8fc66cf
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Well I would think that goes without saying to be honest, as much as some will be :banghead.
If the Hawks offered him 300's then I'd expect we'd get next to nothing, but if it was 500 plus we'd be looking at a second rounder.
Purely speculation but I would think the Hawks would offer him around about the same amount that he was on with us and this is the point where it gets a little interesting. Would 400's be enough to secure us a 2nd rounder.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but, ultimately, whilst we know the criteria for allocation of compensation picks but we won't know what its actual worth is - that's for the AFL to decide?
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Absolute joke if true! Just stuff him off, I dont care what we get, he's worth jack poo to us and anything we get is a bonus.
The formula is apparently largely to do with what percentage of afl players the contract $$$ will fall into
for example - if its in the top 10% of paid players then that = 1st rounder (top 5% early 1st rounder)
top 20-25% early 2nd rounder
top 35-40% late 2nd rounder etc etc
Plus you add the special afl commission sauce and walla Bobs your uncle. Seriously, no-one can be sure, they seem to change the goalposts whenever it suits their agenda
BTW have it on good authority Ty has been on between $400-450k
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Ladies and gentlemen, light your torches and tape your knuckles.....
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Absolute joke if true! Just stuff him off, I dont care what we get, he's worth jack poo to us and anything we get is a bonus.
The formula is apparently largely to do with what percentage of afl players the contract $$$ will fall into
for example - if its in the top 10% of paid players then that = 1st rounder (top 5% early 1st rounder)
top 20-25% early 2nd rounder
top 35-40% late 2nd rounder etc etc
Plus you add the special afl commission sauce and walla Bobs your uncle. Seriously, no-one can be sure, they seem to change the goalposts whenever it suits their agenda
BTW have it on good authority Ty has been on between $400-450k
Haha classic TM!
Yeah there's a number of things they also use to weigh it up. Top 10 BnF finishes, initial draft pick # & the contract size (I think?) they sign also affect the comp pick.
Personally, I'd rather him stay on than receive a third rounder. I know I'm in a minority of people with that view.
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Whats wrong with saying we'll play hard ball if we don't like the compo. Sounds like good policy to me.
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LMAO at this stuffn club bidding on their own.
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If we are only going to get a third rounder for him, I can see why the club would want more. He was a number 8 pick. We've invested a lot of time and gifted games to him. It is a little insulting getting that compensation. As long as we trade him, I don't care. Maybe North or West Coast may want him or Hawthorn may give up a player to get him. However, we shouldn't give him away for nothing too. Hopefully we can get reasonable compensation for him.
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No doubt West Coast fans would welcome Vickery with open arms....
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No doubt West Coast fans would welcome Vickery with open arms....
Well done . You picked up my little joke! :clapping :lol
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No doubt West Coast fans would welcome Vickery with open arms....
:lol :lol
Freo fans would ... Ross is a huge fan
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Have no issue with this. I would prefer we get rid of the bigger spud in Griffiths than someone who can actually kick goals.
31 goals last year v Griffiths output. New coach after Rd 12 who actually has a clue and he might turn the corner.
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Whats wrong with saying we'll play hard ball if we don't like the compo. Sounds like good policy to me.
Because the Hawks will most likely walk away. They want him for nothing. O'Meara is their priorty now not Tyrone. So we match, the Hawks walk and we are stuck with him. .that isn't smart
I can't believe we'd be so stupid...
Oh wait...yes I can
Quicker Monday rolls around the better ;D
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Whats wrong with saying we'll play hard ball if we don't like the compo. Sounds like good policy to me.
Because the Hawks will most likely walk away. They want him for nothing. O'Meara is their priorty now not Tyrone. So we match, the Hawks walk and we are stuck with him. .that isn't smart
I can't believe we'd be so stupid...
Oh wait...yes I can
Quicker Monday rolls around the better ;D
Second time I have heard a comment on Monday?
Is that because of Balme? or something else I maybe missing?
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Whats wrong with saying we'll play hard ball if we don't like the compo. Sounds like good policy to me.
Because the Hawks will most likely walk away. They want him for nothing. O'Meara is their priorty now not Tyrone. So we match, the Hawks walk and we are stuck with him. .that isn't smart
I can't believe we'd be so stupid...
Oh wait...yes I can
Quicker Monday rolls around the better ;D
No point throwing stuff away for free when there is value in it still. TV despite all the crap we have piled on him, does have some value.
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Whats wrong with saying we'll play hard ball if we don't like the compo. Sounds like good policy to me.
Because the Hawks will most likely walk away. They want him for nothing. O'Meara is their priorty now not Tyrone. So we match, the Hawks walk and we are stuck with him. .that isn't smart
I can't believe we'd be so stupid...
Oh wait...yes I can
Quicker Monday rolls around the better ;D
No point throwing stuff away for free when there is value in it still. TV despite all the crap we have piled on him, does have some value.
What?
A turd is only worth what an idiot will pay.
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lol :snidegrin
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indeed ;D
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Whats wrong with saying we'll play hard ball if we don't like the compo. Sounds like good policy to me.
Because the Hawks will most likely walk away. They want him for nothing. O'Meara is their priorty now not Tyrone. So we match, the Hawks walk and we are stuck with him. .that isn't smart
I can't believe we'd be so stupid...
Oh wait...yes I can
Quicker Monday rolls around the better ;D
No point throwing stuff away for free when there is value in it still. TV despite all the crap we have piled on him, does have some value.
Was your dirty beak out
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Whats wrong with saying we'll play hard ball if we don't like the compo. Sounds like good policy to me.
Because the Hawks will most likely walk away. They want him for nothing. O'Meara is their priorty now not Tyrone. So we match, the Hawks walk and we are stuck with him. .that isn't smart
I can't believe we'd be so stupid...
Oh wait...yes I can
Quicker Monday rolls around the better ;D
No point throwing stuff away for free when there is value in it still. TV despite all the crap we have piled on him, does have some value.
(http://www.timeoutabudhabi.com/images/content/59632/2015_moneyfilms_3_base.jpg)
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Nothing should be free, the bastard owes us a pick, I hope we get one back for him.
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The best things in life are free
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Whats wrong with saying we'll play hard ball if we don't like the compo. Sounds like good policy to me.
Because the Hawks will most likely walk away. They want him for nothing. O'Meara is their priorty now not Tyrone. So we match, the Hawks walk and we are stuck with him. .that isn't smart
I can't believe we'd be so stupid...
Oh wait...yes I can
Quicker Monday rolls around the better ;D
Second time I have heard a comment on Monday?
Is that because of Balme? or something else I maybe missing?
Yes Balme starts at the RFC on Monday
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Matching the offer is smart if the compensation pick is going to be below par.
It also doesn't automatically mean the Hawks will walk away from the deal.
There's a few handy players on their list I'd gladly swap him for if they need to make some room in their salary cap.
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Matching the offer is smart if the compensation pick is going to be below par.
It also doesn't automatically mean the Hawks will walk away from the deal.
There's a few handy players on their list I'd gladly swap him for if they need to make some room in their salary cap.
None of them would fix in with our backwards / sideways spuds ;D
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The stupid thing about this is there is worse on our list than TV. A decent coach will turn him into a serviceable forward IMO.
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What or who would we trade him for?
We have no idea what the offer is from Hawks. RFC's list management will obviously know what the offer is, can likely determine what our compensation pick will be (if any) and make a decision from there. Once Vickery and Hawthorn agree to terms they will both want to get the deal done because by the time that happens you know they are both very keen on the move. I think Hawthorn will come to the table if we force a trade.
Hopefully it's a second round pick and we don't need to...
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Would take a fourth round, at least there is no expectations
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Vickory might decline Hawthorn now if he decides he wants to go to a winning culture.
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Pea heart. Get him OUT of the club
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I will throw something out there.
Just a guess and not my thoughts on TV's value to the club but Richmond may be thinking!
1)He should not go to Hawthorn for little, he is a Ruckman / forward who has lost his confidence because he is the whipping boy- ruck/ forwards with 100 games who are still young are rare and valuable and they don't play their best football until they are over 25
2)If Hawthorn pay him little on a short term contract Richmond will receive little value for a previous pick 8 with 100 plus games experience
3)It would better to contract him and either trade him or improve him
4 ) Pay up Hawthorn or we keep him even if it means playing him in the reserves for the year.
WE are onto you GREAME WRIGHT
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Except he is older than 25 (27 next year) and played more than 100 games. And he keeps getting worse and worse.
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Maybe we should inflict him on Hawthorn for free after all
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I'm leaning to make krusty stay fkw?
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Keep him or get something decent, we are weak as pee when it comes to trading or standing our ground.....all other clubs know it, time to change.
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So he is 26 , he will be 28 the year following next year
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So 27 next year?
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And 29 two years after the year after the next next next year, or 25 last year . But unless you want to talk in deceit like a real estate agent he is 26 .
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Don't think he will be staying if he didn't attend the b&f unless his away.
let's hope it's not another Waite compo situation.
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My mail is that he has already agreed to go to Hawthorn (very good source). He is not planning on remaining at RFC. Hawks want him to play the David Hale role.
Time to play hard ball with a trade if they really want him and our compo sucks from the AFL.
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And 29 two years after the year after the next next next year, or 25 last year . But unless you want to talk in deceit like a real estate agent he is 26 .
Oh. Let me correct you.
You suggested he 25 or younger. I said he turns 27 next year.
He is 26.
One statement is factual and it isnt yours.
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My mail is that he has already agreed to go to Hawthorn (very good source). He is not planning on remaining at RFC. Hawks want him to play the David Hale role.
Time to play hard ball with a trade if they really want him and our compo sucks from the AFL.
Y&B probably a dumb question but do we find out what the Afl is going to give us before we decide if we want to match or not?
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My mail is that he has already agreed to go to Hawthorn (very good source). He is not planning on remaining at RFC. Hawks want him to play the David Hale role.
Time to play hard ball with a trade if they really want him and our compo sucks from the AFL.
Y&B probably a dumb question but do we find out what the Afl is going to give us before we decide if we want to match or not?
After but they have a fair idea before. AFL has final say.....
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He is 26 now, 25 last year and 27 next year lol you may be majoring on the minor !
Maybe you missed the real point in my message as all others who have posted seem to have got the point!
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Straight swap for Breust.
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Don't think he will be staying if he didn't attend the b&f unless his away.
let's hope it's not another Waite compo situation.
He is away
Went to the USA to support his wife at the US Open, club was aware and OK'd his non attendance
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Straight swap for Breust.
Bruest to the GC to get the O'Meara deal done
Read with interest in this morning's HUN that Jnr Ablett wants the Suns to trade in experience for the blokes who want to leave
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I would think that telling the player before a major final he will be shipped off as part of a trade would affect his performance...
Breust certainly played like he knew......
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Hawks not alone in Vickery chase
KATE SALEMME
Herald Sun
October 3, 2016
RICHMOND forward Tyrone Vickery is attracting “additional interest” to that of Hawthorn as he weighs up his playing future.
Vickery, a restricted free agent, has been linked to a move to the Hawks for some time and considered likely to land at Waverley but his manager Scott Lucas says a deal isn’t over the line.
While Lucas admits it has been no secret Vickery has been exploring possible interest from rival clubs, no decision has been made.
“It’s something we’ve worked through with him for quite a period of time and we’ll strongly explore those options for him,” he said.
“Papers have been very specific (with Hawthorn), I think it’s more broad than that right at this stage in terms of interest for him. So we’ll work through that.
“There is additional interest there.”
Vickery did not attend Richmond’s best and fairest but Lucas told Trade Radio that was not an indication he had already decided to leave Punt Rd.
The much maligned Tiger was cleared to head off on an overseas holiday as soon as his team’s season ended so he could see his wife, Australian tennis player Arina Rodionova who was in the US for the US Open.
“He’s still weighing up the options,” Lucas said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tyrone-vickery-attracting-interest-from-other-rival-clubs-not-just-hawthorn-his-manager-says/news-story/421f0f780321c61b11bb4c056cc8925a
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Vickery did not attend Richmond’s best and fairest but Lucas told Trade Radio that was not an indication he had already decided to leave Punt Rd.
So he has class. ;D
Trade him
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North has offered $100k more but my sources say that he already has a handshake agreement with Hawthorn.
Ps Cloke has already signed with the dogs. Told people I know at the MCG on Saturday.
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Sorry since when does a player dictate where he goes. stuff hawthorn
Deal with who gives us the best deal
Vickery can shove his hand up dimwits date.
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Sorry since when does a player dictate where he goes. stuff hawthorn
Deal with who gives us the best deal
Vickery can shove his hand up dimwits date.
He gets a say because he's a restricted FA. ::)
Hawthorn offer him a deal, he accepts and we dont match he goes we get compo
If we match, then we will still probably have to deal with Hawthorn
And other clubs have been interested sonce mid season. This isn't a massive piece of news that there's more than one club interested..
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I get that Willy but north offer and we tell him accept it or we match Hawks
stuff Vickery
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I get that Willy but north offer and we tell him accept it or we match it
stuff Vickery
Club cant tell him to accept it
Against the rules
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Get Caro to report it then
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Get Caro to report it then
:lol
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Lmao.
We have no players or coaches. Hahahaha
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha
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as an restricted FA he still has to accept the best offer put before him by opposition clubs according to the rules
I saw it on fat cat and friends
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Freo and West Coast sure to enter the race now Lobb and Hogsn have resigned.
West Coast desperate for a ruckman after Nick Nat and Lycett both down with knee injuries. How funny would it be if Cox was his midfield coach!
Vickery would be like 'remember that time I knocked u out well it'll happen again if u drag me'
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I get that Willy but north offer and we tell him accept it or we match it
stuff Vickery
Club cant tell him to accept it
Against the rules
Times likes this you think isn't it Intersting melbourne got fined half a million for not tanking
Fluid afl rules.
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If Ty was staying, the Club wouldn't be promoting his FA options on the RFC website.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-10-04/vickery-weighs-up-free-agency-options
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If Ty was staying, the Club wouldn't be promoting his FA options on the RFC website.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-10-04/vickery-weighs-up-free-agency-options
Or maybe becoming more open with members supporters fans
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Hey the more he gets the better pick we get. Keep bidding clubs keep bidding.
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Imagine both Vickery and Ben Brown running around in the same forward Line.
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His not the player Richmond need cause you can't build a powerful team around a player like him. Tigers & the coaches got it all wrong. He needs to go. Richmond need a new Ruckman & 2 Forwards to build a team around. Selfish & Lazy are not the players to build around.
Bye Bye Vickery's. Trade Rewoldt to St-Kilda also
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Would be interested to see how he goes playing for a team whose coach can actually get the best effort out of him. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he does quite well.
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Would be interested to see how he goes playing for a team whose coach can actually get the best effort out of him. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he does quite well.
Talent has never been the issue, if he worked hard he'd be a good player, probably a very good player. I have no problems if he goes elsewhere and becomes a gun - at richmond he is in a comfort zone and will never become better than the plateau he hit about 5 years ago.
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His not the player Richmond need cause you can't build a powerful team around a player like him. Tigers & the coaches got it all wrong. He needs to go. Richmond need a new Ruckman & 2 Forwards to build a team around. Selfish & Lazy are not the players to build around.
Bye Bye Vickery's. Trade Rewoldt to St-Kilda also
Trade Jack :snidegrin please :help
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Deal done going to the Hawks, his missus as a ball boy
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Deal done going to the Hawks, his missus as a ball boy
3 year deal... pick 25 to 37 in return ffs
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Vickery agrees to terms with Hawks
SAM EDMUND
Herald Sun
October 6, 2016
TY VICKERY could become a Hawthorn player as early as Friday, with the Richmond forward agreeing to a three-year deal.
The restricted free agent had attracted interest from an interstate and Melbourne-based club, but is determined to get to the Hawks after a positive meeting with coach Alastair Clarkson.
Vickery’s departure will net the Tigers either a second-round pick (currently No.25) or end of second round (No.37) pick as compensation, depending on his new contract with Hawthorn.
As it stands, Richmond doesn’t have a second-round selection after trading it last year to Gold Coast as part of the Tigers’ manouvering to secure Chris Yarran from Carlton.
But under free agency rules, Richmond’s compensation pick for Vickery could come after what its second round pick would have been — No.24.
If Richmond matched Hawthorn’s three-year deal for Vickery, he would have to either stay at Punt Rd or take his chances of getting to Hawthorn in the draft.
The much-maligned big man, the No.8 pick in the 2008 national draft, simply feels he has reached the end of the line at Punt Rd after a turbulent 2016 season.
Hawthorn has told Vickery that while he needs to work on his weaknesses, the side can also play to his strengths.
It is understood Vickery will spend more time in the ruck under Clarkson and divide his time between midfield and the forward line.
The 26-year-old was dropped twice this year and overlooked by coach Damien Hardwick in the final fortnight for fringe key position pair Todd Elton and Callum Moore.
Hardwick had maintained Vickery was “firmly in my best 25”.
“He’s a really important player to our footy club ... make no mistake,” Hardwick said after the Round 22 loss to St Kilda.
Hawthorn, who have become masters at recruiting established rival talent in recent years, weren’t as efficient up forward in the wake of David Hale’s retirement, Jarryd Roughead’s absence and the late-season knee injury to Jonathon Ceglar further highlighted the need for another versatile big man.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tyrone-vickery-has-agreed-to-join-hawthorn-on-a-threeyear-deal/news-story/d86902fa68149a288034dcb23a6669f7
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Think hawthorn will get much more out of him purely by putting him in the ruck.
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Need to use the compensation pick wisely.
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love how they already class Elton and moore fringe players hahahaha... Wonder if Richmond played hard ball and asked for a ready made player swap like hartung, siciliy
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Pick 37. Nice
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pick 37 would be crap we took him at what 8 or 9 has delivered nothing for us time the tigers rolled up there sleeves play hardball and get something in return or something like a early second round pick like 20
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I would be happy to give a pick away just so i dont have to see the montage of falling over and marking invisible balls situations
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Second round pick is probably above his market value. Take it and run.
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Second round pick is probably above his market value. Take it and run.
As much fun as it is bagging Tyrone:
- he's kicked more afl goals than most people in his age group, "soft" goals are still worth six points
- more than one club want him
Should get something better FFs - look at Stanley to Geelong who's a gimp
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His a lot better than Stanley and anyone who thinks differently has NFI, which dimwit is one of those so I expect a pick 30 odd
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Lmao damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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Lmao damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Pick 37
Lmao, indeed
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Second round pick is probably above his market value. Take it and run.
As much fun as it is bagging Tyrone:
- he's kicked more afl goals than most people in his age group, "soft" goals are still worth six points
- more than one club want him
Should get something better FFs - look at Stanley to Geelong who's a gimp
He's a tall forward who is handy in the ruck. There arn't many of those at AFL level.
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Freo would take him
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Lmao damned if they do, damned if they don't.
You have to laugh don't you, during the season its Vickery bashing to the hilt and then at trade season he is suddenly a different player worthy of value
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Lmao damned if they do, damned if they don't.
You have to laugh don't you, during the season its Vickery bashing to the hilt and then at trade season he is suddenly a different player worthy of value
haha yep - ill take pick 37 and run
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Lmao damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Pretty much
And it will be a pick between 24 and 37
More likely 24- 30
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24-30 would be a good result.
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I smile every time I open this thread ;D
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Second round pick is probably above his market value. Take it and run.
As much fun as it is bagging Tyrone:
- he's kicked more afl goals than most people in his age group, "soft" goals are still worth six points
- more than one club want him
Should get something better FFs - look at Stanley to Geelong who's a gimp
He's a tall forward who is handy in the ruck. There arn't many of those at AFL level.
He's not a tall forward's A-hole.
Nor a ruck's A-hole.
He plays C-grade football in both positions. Could have been B-grade in both if he tried harder.
If we get pick 25 then take it and run. I would still be satisfied with pick 37 to be honest...
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Second round pick is probably above his market value. Take it and run.
As much fun as it is bagging Tyrone:
- he's kicked more afl goals than most people in his age group, "soft" goals are still worth six points
- more than one club want him
Should get something better FFs - look at Stanley to Geelong who's a gimp
He's a tall forward who is handy in the ruck. There arn't many of those at AFL level.
He's not a tall forward's A-hole.
Nor a ruck's A-hole.
He plays C-grade football in both positions. Could have been B-grade in both if he tried harder.
If we get pick 25 then take it and run. I would still be satisfied with pick 37 to be honest...
How many players drafted 2008 onwards - have kicked as many goals as Vickery?
Not many.
He is a fwds a-hole
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Gee we get some tall drazos at Richmond. We had the full body cramp Albatross and 'Ghost Balls' Vickery doing his acid flashbacks and candle in the wind impersonations. We have the Hammer, who actually might be the real life zoolander, mastering the tap to the opposition. Who we missing?
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He is an out and out bum and people are complaining about getting a second rounder for him. If they offered a packet of Krispy Kremes id take em.
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Take a second rounder and run Richmond!
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He is an out and out bum and people are complaining about getting a second rounder for him. If they offered a packet of Krispy Kremes id take em.
I do have to laugh at people who ritualistically pot the club and list managers for horrible decisions and then make comments like "he ain't worth anything - take what you can get".
He's worth something in the current player market. So why should Richmond not play hardball and get as much compensation as possible?
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He is an out and out bum and people are complaining about getting a second rounder for him. If they offered a packet of Krispy Kremes id take em.
I do have to laugh at people who ritualistically pot the club and list managers for horrible decisions and then make comments like "he ain't worth anything - take what you can get".
He's worth something in the current player market. So why should Richmond not play hardball and get as much compensation as possible?
It's a Richmond-emo- Stockholm syndrome thing
Everyone is terrible.
The sky is falling
Get 3rd rounders for lids Tyrone miles Lennon and run
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Vickers is a stopgap for the dorkers while they reassess their list. They went as far as they can, now they are going to have to develop and build. He might kick on, but they will have to see the wizard of Oz to install heart, courage and a brain, and convince him to stop wearing Dorothy's magic high heals so he stops falling over.
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convince him to stop wearing Dorothy's magic high heals so he stops falling over.
:lol :lol :lol
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:pray cmon cmon cmon :pray
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Vickers is a stopgap for the dorkers while they reassess their list. They went as far as they can, now they are going to have to develop and build. He might kick on, but they will have to see the wizard of Oz to install heart, courage and a brain, and convince him to stop wearing Dorothy's magic high heals so he stops falling over.
:lol :lol :thatsgold
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Looking forward to seeing vickery line up against rance next year
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THE TY VICKERY SITUATION
2 hours ago
It looks like Vickery will be on his way to Hawthorn as a restricted free agent, which means the Tigers can force him to stay if they match the offer that the Hawks make. That situation looks unlikely though.
The Richmond forward has long been a maligned player but has that been fair? Let's take a look at some of his numbers.
GOALS
2016: 26 (from 17 games)
2015: 31 (from 15 games)
2014: 23 (from 12 games)
In the past three years, the former No. 8 selection has booted 80 goals from 44 games. Hardly outstanding but certainly nothing to be sneezed at, especially considering how poor the Tigers were this season.
http://www.afl.com.au/trade/trade-talk
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So craptacularly average and only because he got fed the odd goal. Pfft, I will swallow my tears my only fond memory of him knocking out Cox, it could very well have been the only time he showed any spark of passion in that android brain of his. I suppose he also gave me a moment of joyous laughter when he went for a mark and did the 'downward facing dog' yoga position while the bloke behind him completed the mark...oh then there was the ghost ball marking incident poor bastard lol.
Ironically, he is a good set shot and the dorkers have the blokes to get the ball to him a bit cleaner so he might be a bit more effective with them. He is still a lazy bum.
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So craptacularly average and only because he got fed the odd goal. Pfft, I will swallow my tears my only fond memory of him knocking out Cox, it could very well have been the only time he showed any spark of passion in that android brain of his. I suppose he also gave me a moment of joyous laughter when he went for a mark and did the 'downward facing dog' yoga position while the bloke behind him completed the mark...oh then there was the ghost ball marking incident poor bastard lol.
:clapping
The best thing is when he does these things at the hawks we can laugh without the embarrassment
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So craptacularly average and only because he got fed the odd goal. Pfft, I will swallow my tears my only fond memory of him knocking out Cox, it could very well have been the only time he showed any spark of passion in that android brain of his. I suppose he also gave me a moment of joyous laughter when he went for a mark and did the 'downward facing dog' yoga position while the bloke behind him completed the mark...oh then there was the ghost ball marking incident poor bastard lol.
Ironically, he is a good set shot and the dorkers have the blokes to get the ball to him a bit cleaner so he might be a bit more effective with them. He is still a lazy bum.
Above average in so much he has kicked more goals than almost everyone around his age bracket
All forwards get "fed" the ball especially full forwards
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See I knew I could start getting people to root for Vickery
#savesideshow
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Saying he's worth more than #37 doesn't equate to rooting for him hooters
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Match the bid Tigers.
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No - take the pick & run.....
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2 year offer.
stuff hawthorn and stuff Vickery
Match it and let's trade
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2 year offer.
stuff hawthorn and stuff Vickery
Match it and let's trade
First up we will get better than pick 37
More like 25-30
Second and more importantly, who says matching & trying trade will get you anything better than what the comp will be
Don't match, let him go, take pick 25 (which is what is right now) and move on
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I thought the pick is determined by length of offer and size? Could be wrong
Wasn't that the reason why blues got SFA for Waite?
I am positive we can better than a pick 30
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A pick between 24 & 37 could be very useful in a trade or still get us an Atley, Scharenberg, Powell-Pepper, Paholke or Hayward....Willy Rioli even.... :shh
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A pick between 24 & 37 could be very useful in a trade or still get us an Atley, Scharenberg, Powell-Pepper, Paholke or Hayward....Willy Rioli even.... :shh
Willy Baby
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2 year offer.
stuff hawthorn and stuff Vickery
Match it and let's trade
First up we will get better than pick 37
More like 25-30
Second and more importantly, who says matching & trying trade will get you anything better than what the comp will be
Don't match, let him go, take pick 25 (which is what is right now) and move on
Where does it say it's 25?
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2 year offer.
stuff hawthorn and stuff Vickery
Match it and let's trade
First up we will get better than pick 37
More like 25-30
Second and more importantly, who says matching & trying trade will get you anything better than what the comp will be
Don't match, let him go, take pick 25 (which is what is right now) and move on
Where does it say it's 25?
Its due to (what would be) our 2nd pick being pick 25. The afl allocates pick compensation relative to the FA signing. So it can be First Round (pick 7), End of First round (pick 20), Second Round (pick 26), End of Second round (Pick 39) etc.
Due to the size of the contract, Vickery's current pay packet and other things like draft pick used and top 10 BnF finishes most people expect the compo pick to be Second Round, which is pick 26 at this stage.
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I thought the pick is determined by length of offer and size? Could be wrong
Wasn't that the reason why blues got SFA for Waite?
I am positive we can better than a pick 30
I'm still spewin we got nothing for matt white
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At 26 I'd say his goneski but at 30 or beyond I would roll the dice.
I mean Clarke and hackson will most likely stuff the pick up anyway so nothing to lose really
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Eff him off lads. Be clinical and ruthless
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2 year offer.
stuff hawthorn and stuff Vickery
Match it and let's trade
First up we will get better than pick 37
More like 25-30
Second and more importantly, who says matching & trying trade will get you anything better than what the comp will be
Don't match, let him go, take pick 25 (which is what is right now) and move on
Where does it say it's 25?
Its due to (what would be) our 2nd pick being pick 25. The afl allocates pick compensation relative to the FA signing. So it can be First Round (pick 7), End of First round (pick 20), Second Round (pick 26), End of Second round (Pick 39) etc.
Due to the size of the contract, Vickery's current pay packet and other things like draft pick used and top 10 BnF finishes most people expect the compo pick to be Second Round, which is pick 26 at this stage.
I'd say it's more a 3rd rounder considering it's only 2 years
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Above average in so much he has kicked more goals than almost everyone around his age bracket
All forwards get "fed" the ball especially full forwards
Watts kicked more goals than him this year :lol
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Above average in so much he has kicked more goals than almost everyone around his age bracket
All forwards get "fed" the ball especially full forwards
Watts kicked more goals than him this year :lol
The same Watts that went 7 picks higher than him?
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root for Vickery
rooting for him
Seppos...
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Above average in so much he has kicked more goals than almost everyone around his age bracket
All forwards get "fed" the ball especially full forwards
Watts kicked more goals than him this year :lol
The same Watts that went 7 picks higher than him?
Well, that makes it all ok then.....
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Above average in so much he has kicked more goals than almost everyone around his age bracket
All forwards get "fed" the ball especially full forwards
Watts kicked more goals than him this year :lol
The same Watts that went 7 picks higher than him?
The same Watts that no one has rated for 8 years. I guess in turn we shouldn't care how many more people Vickery kicked goals than because chances are, he went higher than them so it doesn't count
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Eff him off lads. Be clinical and ruthless
Not disputing that at all but given its a 2 year contract it's more likely to be late 30's. Ruthless IMO would be say FU we are matching and let's deal with north
Be honest what are the chances any club let alone us has of landing someone descent with a late 30 pick
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Above average in so much he has kicked more goals than almost everyone around his age bracket
All forwards get "fed" the ball especially full forwards
Watts kicked more goals than him this year :lol
The same Watts that went 7 picks higher than him?
The same Watts that no one has rated for 8 years. I guess in turn we shouldn't care how many more people Vickery kicked goals than because chances are, he went higher than them so it doesn't count
Oh man! That really does take the stuffing cake. How are the Watts apologists (and they're bloody everywhere) that suddenly justify his pick coz he's played one "decent" season? What's the measure of a decent season you ask? Kicking more goals than Vickery in his worst season since 2010 when Richmond went 8-14 of course. God love you blokes!
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Above average in so much he has kicked more goals than almost everyone around his age bracket
All forwards get "fed" the ball especially full forwards
Watts kicked more goals than him this year :lol
The same Watts that went 7 picks higher than him?
:shh
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Other thing to consider is if we match and then try and trade and we can't then we are stuck with him for 2 more years
Pretty sure, most on here want him goneski :whistle
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I want dimwit and that piggy sue gone first, but putting that aside.
Vickery has to bypass trade week, ND and PSD before he stays with us
This correct willy? If so its not gonna happen so let's match and start growing some balls for once
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I want dimwit and that piggy sue gone first, but putting that aside.
Vickery has to bypass trade week, ND and PSD before he stays with us
This correct willy? If so its not gonna happen so let's match and start growing some balls for once
If we dont do a trade
Then he stays
He is a restricted FA, means if we match only way he goes is via trade.
No trade he stays. Under FA rules we match we are required to keep on the same terms in the Hawks offer
That's my understanding
Ch7 news are saying he will speaking to them in tonight's news
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Bet he doesn't go anywhere :damnpc
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Hawks only want him because he is free. To get anything better than 25-30 they would have to give us their first pick. :rollin
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Vickery interviewed on Ch 7 news:
* Mark Stevens said it's not quite a done deal. Tigers have until Monday to match the deal. Richmond waiting for what compensation they receive from the AFL.
* Ty said he was "excited at the opportunity for a fresh start". He said he needed fresh start at a "positive environment" like Hawthorn where he could "achieve his best football".
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Not sure William. Think if we can't trade he can nominate for the draft and put a price on his head?
Dwaino this is a business and Hawks want him and it seems need him, so they will give us what we want.
This assumes they match which they should if it's a Waite type of scenario.
Scenario is simple. Don't match and accept 26 etc or tell them all to Get F and try grab a better pick than 40. Their second pick is around 33.
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They don't want him that bad. Half their talls are missing for the 2017 season and he is free coverage. Waite was an unrestricted free agent, this is different. I know you aren't the brightest crayon in the box but 25-30 is better than 33.
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Yes if that's what it is pal. A 2 year offer well I'm not so sure but you seem to know what the Hawks want
:lol
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Hawthorn Recruiting and List Manager Graham Wright said:
“Ty is keen to come to the Hawks and we are hopeful that we have provided him with a deal that will see this come to fruition.
““His ability to play both ruck and forward is an extremely valuable asset, making him a fantastic addition to our list.
“At 26 years of age Ty has plenty of football left to play and we look forward to seeing what he can produce at the Hawks.”
Richmond Football Club have until Monday to match the two year deal offered by the Hawks.
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2016-10-07/hawks-lodge-paperwork-to-land-vickery
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If Richmond want to be serious under new regime [i.e. Balme], must match Vickery 2yr offer at Hawks. Then cause headaches for all of JOM/Mitchell/Vickery.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
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Hawthorn will pull out if we match.
lol at vickery needing a positive environment. Get rid of half step and you'll get your positive environment
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He's so fkd up, he can't even go to another club on his own. :gotigers
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Above average in so much he has kicked more goals than almost everyone around his age bracket
All forwards get "fed" the ball especially full forwards
Watts kicked more goals than him this year :lol
The same Watts that went 7 picks higher than him?
The same Watts that no one has rated for 8 years. I guess in turn we shouldn't care how many more people Vickery kicked goals than because chances are, he went higher than them so it doesn't count
Oh man! That really does take the stuffing cake. How are the Watts apologists (and they're bloody everywhere) that suddenly justify his pick coz he's played one "decent" season? What's the measure of a decent season you ask? Kicking more goals than Vickery in his worst season since 2010 when Richmond went 8-14 of course. God love you blokes!
Can you quote where I said anything that justifies your nonsensical rambling? Purely pointed out that Watts kicked more than Vickery (which is funny), to which you rebutted that Watts was a higher pick which somehow justifying Vickerys average return. A normal person would see that I was potting both of them but you keep on believing that I'm saying how good Watts was this year if you like :wallywink
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So TV is already expecting his new team mates to be the difference & to make it all happen for him? :wallywink
So just how warm & fuzzy do you think Clarkson is going to be when you walk in there expecting your team mates to make it happen for you? That positive environment is going to go Arctic very quickly if you have the wrong attitude, Ty ...
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500k a season is the offer - probably enough for a second rounder
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Not sure William. Think if we can't trade he can nominate for the draft and put a price on his head?
Dwaino this is a business and Hawks want him and it seems need him, so they will give us what we want.
This assumes they match which they should if it's a Waite type of scenario.
Scenario is simple. Don't match and accept 26 etc or tell them all to Get F and try grab a better pick than 40. Their second pick is around 33.
You could be right Angus about the PSD.
Another reason not to match, at least we get something, if he neds up in the PSD we get nothing and I can just imagine the rants on here about how we stuffed again
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Above average in so much he has kicked more goals than almost everyone around his age bracket
All forwards get "fed" the ball especially full forwards
Watts kicked more goals than him this year :lol
The same Watts that went 7 picks higher than him?
The same Watts that no one has rated for 8 years. I guess in turn we shouldn't care how many more people Vickery kicked goals than because chances are, he went higher than them so it doesn't count
Oh man! That really does take the stuffing cake. How are the Watts apologists (and they're bloody everywhere) that suddenly justify his pick coz he's played one "decent" season? What's the measure of a decent season you ask? Kicking more goals than Vickery in his worst season since 2010 when Richmond went 8-14 of course. God love you blokes!
Can you quote where I said anything that justifies your nonsensical rambling? Purely pointed out that Watts kicked more than Vickery (which is funny), to which you rebutted that Watts was a higher pick which somehow justifying Vickerys average return. A normal person would see that I was potting both of them but you keep on believing that I'm saying how good Watts was this year if you like :wallywink
Vickery has kicked more afl goals than watts
Vickery in a poor year avg 1.5 vs watts good year average 1.7 hardly a staggering difference
In the same draft pool in which watts was pick 1.
U attempting to prove something like pick 40 is good deal for Vickery "take it an run" were a the reality is it's a pee poor deal
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Watts is still one of the best wastes of pick number one barring ours Stalin, what are you trying to stuffing prove that our lower pick dud is better than their higher pick dud? The prick didn't fire a shot! He should be in his prime and he is a stuffing first class drastic. And who said we are getting 37? pure speculation.
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Watts is still one of the best wastes of pick number one barring ours Stalin, what are you trying to stuffing prove that our lower pick dud is better than their higher pick dud? The prick didn't fire a shot! He should be in his prime and he is a stuffing first class drastic. And who said we are getting 37? pure speculation.
It's fashionable to bag watts but he's not as bad as made out
Would be richmonds best tall by light years after rance/jack, not that that's saying much
In tryin to prove on facts (afl goals kicked by players aroun tyrone age group) and last trades te speculation of getting a mid draft pick for Vickery is rubbish
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Not sure William. Think if we can't trade he can nominate for the draft and put a price on his head?
Dwaino this is a business and Hawks want him and it seems need him, so they will give us what we want.
This assumes they match which they should if it's a Waite type of scenario.
Scenario is simple. Don't match and accept 26 etc or tell them all to Get F and try grab a better pick than 40. Their second pick is around 33.
You could be right Anhpgus about the PSD.
Another reason not to match, at least we get something, if he neds up in the PSD we get nothing and I can just imagine the rants on here about how we stuffed again
Yep true but he won't last. Come on be serious here it's the Hawks who most likely have a tight cap vrs 15 other teams
Won't happen Hawks will trade IMO
Of course this is all a mute point if we get a mid 20 pick which if the 500k is correct might be our offer
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Fashionable...it is spelled ..factual.
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Fashionable...it is spelled ..factual.
Seems to do alright againast Richmond eh
As comrade YR points puts watts had an ok year
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I hope Big Ty goes to the Hawks and has a blinder.
The way our game plan and forward set up has been it's been nearly impossible for our forwards.
Halfwit is the problem, not Ty. Which also means the Board is the problem.
I'd tell the club to go and get f$&ked too. They are pathetic at the moment and it's only getting worse. Signing Maric this week is the most ridiculous thing this club has done for some time.
Never before have players wanted to leave our club even when we were down the bottom, but at the moment we have about 4 or 5 that cannot get away quick enough.
Something stinks at Punt Road!
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Here here BT. Whilst I don't agree with you re: Maric (mainly due to Hampson being our only ruck and we have no real leaders) your post is as close to the mark as I've read lately
Club is seriously stuffed at the minute.
J Steele nominates Stkilda most likely for a second round. :gotigers
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I hope Big Ty goes to the Hawks and has a blinder.
The way our game plan and forward set up has been it's been nearly impossible for our forwards.
Halfwit is the problem, not Ty. Which also means the Board is the problem.
I'd tell the club to go and get f$&ked too. They are pathetic at the moment and it's only getting worse. Signing Maric this week is the most ridiculous thing this has none for some time.
Never before have players wanted to leave our club we when we were down the bottom, but at the moment we have about 4 or 5 that cannot get away quick enough.
Something stinks at Punt Road!
100% correct!
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I hope Big Ty goes to the Hawks and has a blinder.
The way our game plan and forward set up has been it's been nearly impossible for our forwards.
Halfwit is the problem, not Ty. Which also means the Board is the problem.
I'd tell the club to go and get f$&ked too. They are pathetic at the moment and it's only getting worse. Signing Maric this week is the most ridiculous thing this has none for some time.
Never before have players wanted to leave our club we when we were down the bottom, but at the moment we have about 4 or 5 that cannot get away quick enough.
Something stinks at Punt Road!
Great Post! :clapping
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I hope Big Ty goes to the Hawks and has a blinder.
The way our game plan and forward set up has been it's been nearly impossible for our forwards.
Halfwit is the problem, not Ty. Which also means the Board is the problem.
I'd tell the club to go and get f$&ked too. They are pathetic at the moment and it's only getting worse. Signing Maric this week is the most ridiculous thing this has none for some time.
Never before have players wanted to leave our club we when we were down the bottom, but at the moment we have about 4 or 5 that cannot get away quick enough.
Something stinks at Punt Road!
He won't have a blinder because he is soft and lazy
The best thing that could happen to him is that he is made to look half decent because of the Hawks midfield and hard work to make a lazy footballer who hangs out the back Look good
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Will do well at hawks
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Watts is still one of the best wastes of pick number one barring ours Stalin, what are you trying to stuffing prove that our lower pick dud is better than their higher pick dud? The prick didn't fire a shot! He should be in his prime and he is a stuffing first class drastic. And who said we are getting 37? pure speculation.
:clapping
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I was hoping for pick 20 but 25 is ok I guess
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Could we match and talk to gold Coast for Prestia
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Could we match and talk to gold Coast for Prestia
What? :huh
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They would need to add some steak knives back our way.
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Could we match and talk to gold Coast for Prestia
What? :huh
Tdy is saying match the hawks deal which keeps Ty at Richmond and then trade him to GC for Prestia.
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Could we match and talk to gold Coast for Prestia
What? :huh
Tdy is saying match the hawks deal which keeps Ty at Richmond and then trade him to GC for Prestia.
FMD like that will happen
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Richmond are reportedly considering matching Hawthorn's offer to Ty Vickery.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLTRDON/
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FMD just pee the poonce off
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Could we match and talk to gold Coast for Prestia
What? :huh
Tdy is saying match the hawks deal which keeps Ty at Richmond and then trade him to GC for Prestia.
FMD like that will happen
No chance
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Vickery has kicked more afl goals than watts
Vickery in a poor year avg 1.5 vs watts good year average 1.7 hardly a staggering difference
In the same draft pool in which watts was pick 1.
U attempting to prove something like pick 40 is good deal for Vickery "take it an run" were a the reality is it's a pee poor deal
Let me sum it up for you again, much like I had to for dougeytheacademicwhocan'tevencomprehend which just like you, thought his draft position somehow justifies something
Purely pointed out that Watts kicked more than Vickery (which is funny). A normal person would see that I was potting both of them but you keep on believing that I'm saying how good Watts was this year if you like :wallywink
FWIW Watts spent a lot of time midfield and backline unlike the cherry picker Vickery. Oh but also, I'd want a pick in the 20's for him at least.
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That's nice dear
Vickery played ruck too.
You continue to focus on last season instead of wanting to view the career as a whole.
A pick one in the same draft pool should be worth more and yet he's marginally better.
The original discussion is in regard to vickery a worth not jack watts
I'll sum up in this format it might help you:
- Stanley is rubbish ; worth pick 19
- watts is rubbish ; worth pick ?
- Vickery is rubbish : worth pick ?
I dislike Tyrone and his father as much as anyone else. However the job of the full forward I to poach goals.
Richmond will mess this up like everything else morons
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FMD just pee the poonce off
Chuck with the voice of reason :clapping
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That's nice dear
Vickery played ruck too.
You continue to focus on last season instead of wanting to view the career as a whole.
A pick one in the same draft pool should be worth more and yet he's marginally better.
The original discussion is in regard to vickery a worth not jack watts
I'll sum up in this format it might help you:
- Stanley is rubbish ; worth pick 19
- watts is rubbish ; worth pick ?
- Vickery is rubbish : worth pick ?
I dislike Tyrone and his father as much as anyone else. However the job of the full forward I to poach goals.
Richmond will mess this up like everything else morons
I don't dislike Vickery or his father, I don't know them, they are probably very nice people, and great fun at parties, completely beside the point. The issue is if he can deliver what we need him to and atm it is most probably not. He will get us a pick, he is a whipping boy here now so the ol Tambling syndrome has probably infected his mind, hard to cure.
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Dislike, as in dislike Tyrone as a footballer and his father as a fitness coach or whatever he does
Nothing persona, I am sure they are super loverly people
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Cause RFC have a history of drafting politically correct, stable, super nice characters in lieu of people that are good at football
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FMD just pee the poonce off
Yep he's a lazy peahearted player that will never amount to anything at richmond so stuff him off.
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FMD just pee the poonce off
Yep he's a lazy peahearted player that will never amount to anything at richmond so stuff him off.
Don't whinge when he kicks 70 goals from history's best kicking team giving him lace out
And pick 37 is another demented loser
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lol I see your point bents but unlike some, I dont fear a player going elsewhere and doing well. You cant be ruled by fear of the what if in these situations. The fact is with us under the current setup he will never amount to much, so best for us and him that he moves on.
I think everyone agrees Ty has obvious talent but with us he doesnt want to play ruck and our coaches dont want him to be a ruckman (FFS we had andrew Moore rucking in a game when Hampson was down whilst Vickery sat on his lazy arse in the fwd line!). pick 25 is solid, pick 37 fair for someone that limited
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Exactly. He has been poo for us. Why retain him or even expect an unusually good compensation pick when he's been poo? Take what we can (25-37) and pick up a good youngster. So what if he becomes the next John Coleman at the hawks? He's not going to be that at Richmond. We need to improve our side and not worry about other sides. Him staying won't improve us too.
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Take what you can get? How about strive to get a better deal?
Y&B a pick mid 20's is one they should accept so I have no arguments there. What are the chances of a team successfully picking up a descent player at high 30's, let alone the RFC. 25% RFC 15%??
Risk worth taking IMO so Vickery and his old man who may have some pull still there should be told to FO and let's match.
Don't talk to me about players not giving there all either as the whole club is full of them starting with Griffiths Conca and Edwards
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Take what you can get? How about strive to get a better deal?
Y&B a pick mid 20's is one they should accept so I have no arguments there. What are the chances of a team successfully picking up a descent player at high 30's, let alone the RFC. 25% RFC 15%??
Risk worth taking IMO so Vickery and his old man who may have some pull still there should be told to FO and let's match.
Don't talk to me about players not giving there all either as the whole club is full of them starting with Griffiths Conca and Edwards
I think we are saying the same thing but in a different way. Of course we should strive to get the best deal. However, we play a dangerous game if we match the offer from Hawthorn. They may just say keep him. They can't afford to pay him more probably because they are making room for Mitchell. Who will they off load for him? They won't give us their first choice. Their second will be worse than our compensation pick or close to it.
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That's nice dear
Vickery played ruck too.
You continue to focus on last season instead of wanting to view the career as a whole.
A pick one in the same draft pool should be worth more and yet he's marginally better.
The original discussion is in regard to vickery a worth not jack watts
I'll sum up in this format it might help you:
- Stanley is rubbish ; worth pick 19
- watts is rubbish ; worth pick ?
- Vickery is rubbish : worth pick ?
I dislike Tyrone and his father as much as anyone else. However the job of the full forward I to poach goals.
Richmond will mess this up like everything else morons
Melbourne shopped Watts last year and nobody wanted him, Stanley wasn't a free agent so Geelong had no choice but to trade ....the biggest mistake is that we waited until Vickery was a free agent to pee him off...and we're already set to repeat the mistake with Griffiths before Vickery's even out the door... :gotigers
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Exactly. He has been poo for us. Why retain him or even expect an unusually good compensation pick when he's been poo? Take what we can (25-37) and pick up a good youngster. So what if he becomes the next John Coleman at the hawks? He's not going to be that at Richmond. We need to improve our side and not worry about other sides. Him staying won't improve us too.
:clapping
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Tm, not fearful. Expect and wish him to do well at a proper club.
It's that I think 37 is closer to getting bent over than what it is to fair.
More so given the current market where I expect a freo would kill for a Vickery type
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Tm, not fearful. Expect and wish him to do well at a proper club.
It's that I think 37 is closer to getting bent over than what it is to fair.
More so given the current market where I expect a freo would kill for a Vickery type
He is a RFA. He doesn't go where he doesn't want to go.
FFS, the guy was too lazy to run from full forward to the centre. Do you think he'd agree to cross the country to WA?
In the end, take the best we can and seek other pastures....
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We still talking about Vickery or Griffiths y&b
#justsaying
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We still talking about Vickery or Griffiths y&b
#justsaying
Vickery.
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Point of reference for the "take it an run" mentality.
Looked over the previous 10 drafts for forwards/big men that were picked after pick 25.
The following players I would consider better/have more currency than Vickery:
Jack Gunston (29th Pick)
Kurt Tippet (32nd Pick)
Todd Goldstein (37th Pick)
Tim Membrey (midsized forward) (pick 46, 2012)
Sam Reid (pick 38) and Chris Dawes (pick 28) were also of note, I would consider as having currency.
Other players of note:
Hawkins (FS at pick 41), Taylor Walker (NSWCP at pick 70ish),
Jack Darling (did not include in list above as he was hidden from draft by WCE, picked at 26)
That's every single forward/big man from every draft for the previous 10 years that has been taken after pick 25.
By that measure, his value is at the VERY LEAST pick 25.
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and theres a very real possibility that we'll get pick 25ish. He was in top 25% paid players at richmond and now hes being paid 500k per season, very strong chance its a second rounder (but never say never with the afl)
btw dougey, every single one of those guys is heaps better player than Vickery and justifiably are worth more than what he is at the trade table - yes even dawes
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Update.
We're not going to match.
https://www.facebook.com/RFCSP/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf
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Update.
We're not going to match.
https://www.facebook.com/RFCSP/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf
Must be 26. :pray
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and theres a very real possibility that we'll get pick 25ish. He was in top 25% paid players at richmond and now hes being paid 500k per season, very strong chance its a second rounder (but never say never with the afl)
btw dougey, every single one of those guys is heaps better player than Vickery and justifiably are worth more than what he is at the trade table - yes even dawes
Have to disagree with Dawes there mate :rollin. I think Dawes might even be on the trade table this year.
My point was exactly that though. Only 4 big forward players have been taken after pick 25 that I would consider better/more accomplished from 10 years of drafts. Just 4 in 10 years!
To qualify my position, I'm reasonably happy with the 25 for Vickery, just think we've convinced ourselves he's rubbish when he actually has currency.
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Dawes is a very smart fwd - underrated imo, unfortunately for him just hasnt been able to get his body right for a few years now, but ill concede given that its been several years since he put a full season together, his value is probably shot.
I see what you're saying mate, but we dont need to use that pick to draft a tall, plenty of good mids going in the 20's and 30's. Currency or not, we wouldnt get a top 20 pick for him on any given day, 25 is a decent return for the 4-5 possession a game player he has become this year. 37 may be a bit rough on us, but meh Im so over our club atm that really whether we get pick 25 or 37 its not like its going to make or break our tilt at a flag lol
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Dawes gives a neat little handpass out the back sans Pia.
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Tyrone Vickery Hawthorn, AFL Trade news rumours 2016: Free agent will leave Richmond
Jake Niall
Foxsports
9 October 2016
RICHMOND will not match Hawthorn’s two-year offer to Tyrone Vickery, with the Tigers set to receive more than adequate compensation.
Vickery has accepted a two-year offer worth around $1 million - higher than expected - which means the Tigers should receive a decent draft pick for him.
Industry sources suggested that on the basis of the $500,000 per year deal Richmond would likely receive either a second-round pick (currently no. 26) or end of second round (currently 38).
The Tigers had threatened to match the Hawthorn offer if it did not bring a satisfactory draft pick.
But Hawthorn’s offer has turned out to be significant, clearing the way for Richmond to proceed without forcing Hawthorn into a trade.
Vickery is a restricted free agent which means he has been paid in the top 25 per cent at Richmond even though he fell out of favour with the selectors during 2016.
He would have been paid an estimated $400,000 per year at Richmond but his dip in form might have resulted in him being offered less money.
While the Hawks have paid heavily for Vickery in dollar terms, securing him without a trade means they can pursue their main objectives of Jaeger O’Meara and Sydney’s Tom Mitchell.
The Hawks see Vickery as a replacement for forward ruck David Hale who retired at the end of 2015 and hasn’t been replaced in their structure.
Vickery, 26, has played 119 games for 158 goals after he was drafted at picked no. 8 in the 2008 draft.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/ty-vickery-to-join-hawthorn-richmond-wont-match-bid-for-free-agent/news-story/4a12c636d8869161d3988bb0f8948c09?from=public_rss
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That's nice dear
Vickery played ruck too.
You continue to focus on last season instead of wanting to view the career as a whole.
A pick one in the same draft pool should be worth more and yet he's marginally better.
The original discussion is in regard to vickery a worth not jack watts
I'll sum up in this format it might help you:
- Stanley is rubbish ; worth pick 19
- watts is rubbish ; worth pick ?
- Vickery is rubbish : worth pick ?
I dislike Tyrone and his father as much as anyone else. However the job of the full forward I to poach goals.
Richmond will mess this up like everything else morons
I'll sum it up for you
1. Jack Watts kicked more goals than Vickery and it's stuffing funny, no matter how you spin it
2. Franklin is a gun = pick 19
Waite better than Vickery = no compensation
Dal santo = pick 25
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That's nice dear
Vickery played ruck too.
You continue to focus on last season instead of wanting to view the career as a whole.
A pick one in the same draft pool should be worth more and yet he's marginally better.
The original discussion is in regard to vickery a worth not jack watts
I'll sum up in this format it might help you:
- Stanley is rubbish ; worth pick 19
- watts is rubbish ; worth pick ?
- Vickery is rubbish : worth pick ?
I dislike Tyrone and his father as much as anyone else. However the job of the full forward I to poach goals.
Richmond will mess this up like everything else morons
I'll sum it up for you
1. Jack Watts kicked more goals than Vickery and it's stuffing funny, no matter how you spin it
2. Franklin is a gun = pick 19
Waite better than Vickery = no compensation
Dal santo = pick 25
Again, I'm totally confused by your angle. Why did you decide to compare Watts to Vickery? Watts was chosen ahead of Vickery and so should be performing better. Or is your point that Watts was a dud #1 pick?
If so you'd be a hypocrite if you potted any draft choices Richmond made who were outperformed by subsequent draft picks. (et. al Tambing/Franklin, Conca/Caddy, Heppell, Prestia)
So again, why Watts?
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Again, I'm totally confused by your angle. Why did you decide to compare Watts to Vickery? Watts was chosen ahead of Vickery and so should be performing better. Or is your point that Watts was a dud #1 pick?
If so you'd be a hypocrite if you potted any draft choices Richmond made who were outperformed by subsequent draft picks. (et. al Tambing/Franklin, Conca/Caddy, Heppell, Prestia)
So again, why Watts?
There's no angle, no spin, no agenda and I don't understand why you don't get it. I've dumbed it down for you as much as I can but I'll try one more time. Someone said he's kicked more goals than most in his draft year (which is true) and it reminded me Watts kicked more than him this year. I find that funny. Simple.
If you're still struggling to understand, stop reading because the following will probably confuse you as it's moving onto a different point.
I find it ironic that you use "earlier draft pick" as an excuse though. First you ramble on implying Watts is a dud who cares what he did this year it doesn't justify his draft position but then turn around and say he should be performing better because he was pick 1. Do we not hope pick 6 this year is the best of the lot (if we keep it) or do we hope it's the 6th best because eh, we took them behind five other blokes.
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Didn't we give up pick 28 for a certain uncoordinated ruckman that most likely would have been free if we waited for him to be delisted by his former club?
Didn't we also just trade out last years pick 19 to the same cheating scum club for a player with some serious issues?
Let's trade Sideshow to Richmond and we'd be sure to get pick 6 for the dud. Winners again! :rollin
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Pick 26.
Well done tiggies! :cheers :gotigers
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Pick 26.
Well done tiggies! :cheers :gotigers
Im happy :clapping
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26 > 37
:shh
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Good result.
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i think we all agree that's not bad.
Now FO hackson dont go near the draft you incompetent old fool.
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pick 26 good job boys know give that to the GC for prista and im even more happier.. Good bye good bye and a lot would say TF ur gone
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So we have a result for the KPF challange "Griffiths vs Vickery"
The winner is Griffiths who will become a better footballer cause Vickery couldn't make a stand & fight for his position. This proves how weak he really was.
Goodbye Ty. Enjoy playing in the reserves at Hawthorn cause that is where you belong.
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26 sucked in Hawks lol
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26 sucked in Hawks lol
The hawks for him for 'free'
Or so is my understanding
Not really as they have to put up with him on their list
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Is this what a premiership feels like?
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Is this what a premiership feels like?
Dunno but it feels good
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Is this what a premiership feels like?
Dunno but it feels good
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/142/feelsgood.jpg)
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So glad he's gone now, another victim of tigeritis
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So glad he's gone now, another victim of tigeritis
Victim of himself. Redbull racing :snidegrin
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Look forward to Ty getting his couple of senior games per year against us and kicking a fair few waiting out the back
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Look forward to Ty getting his couple of senior games per year against us and kicking a fair few waiting out the back
Won't happen. Hawks forward line is far superior than our gift a game club. Roughy is training again & has the ok. He will be in the forward line Vickery will be Boxing Hill :snidegrin
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Roughie might be in trouble.
Hawks tall fwds average
Tyrone will star , brad ottens mk2
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yeah...ok..or they could be all slapping their foreheads while he does downward facing dog in marking comps
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Roughie might be in trouble.
Hawks tall fwds average
Tyrone will star , brad ottens mk2
If you put Vickery anywhere in any mold as Ottens you are off your meds. Ottens was a champion we let go
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Vickery doesn't need to be a champion just do his role in one for the better sides in histriy
Mainly led, catch, kick straight. Sometimes ruck
Chances are it'll work fine ...
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Vickery doesn't need to be a champion just do his role in one for the better sides in histriy
Mainly led, catch, kick straight. Sometimes ruck
Chances are it'll work fine ...
Vickery has never worked well in forward line with any good players around him. Contests the mark against Rewoldt. Only good game l ever seen him play well was against the Mudpies last season when he put himself in the right places & that was because he was lazy & never run with the play & was left on his own. That stuff is not shown on tv you have to be at the game to see it. :snidegrin Hawks move the ball too quick for him unless he leads early when the ball is in the back line like at West Coast game :lol
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Vickery doesn't need to be a champion just do his role in one for the better sides in histriy
Mainly led, catch, kick straight. Sometimes ruck
Chances are it'll work fine ...
Vickery has never worked well in forward line with any good players around him. Contests the mark against Rewoldt. Only good game l ever seen him play well was against the Mudpies last season when he put himself in the right places & that was because he was lazy & never run with the play & was left on his own. That stuff is not shown on tv you have to be at the game to see it. :snidegrin Hawks move the ball too quick for him unless he leads early when the ball is in the back line like at West Coast game :lol
The hawks guys all play small: rioli, gunston , hodge , smith, burst
Will be focal point and kick bags ;)
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He was a dud at 22 & l thought he would come good & his now 26 & has not dominated his position & he never will.
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Vickery doesn't need to be a champion just do his role in one for the better sides in histriy
Mainly led, catch, kick straight. Sometimes ruck
Chances are it'll work fine ...
one out of four isn't a complete loss then huh? Underwhelming. Does not win ball. The few rare times he did it was like a big surprise and I nearly fell out my chair hoping it that the penny had dropped...but no...it is just that, sometimes the sun will shine even on a dogs arse
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Gunston will be wondering where his next cheapie is coming from, now that Ty is standing in the goalsquare ... :huh
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Vickery doesn't need to be a champion just do his role in one for the better sides in histriy
Mainly led, catch, kick straight. Sometimes ruck
Chances are it'll work fine ...
yes sounds so easy..
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Vickery doesn't need to be a champion just do his role in one for the better sides in histriy
Mainly led, catch, kick straight. Sometimes ruck
Chances are it'll work fine ...
And chase, and not do a Geez impersonation at the top of the goal square when someone ignores him, take an occasional contested mark when competing against against an undersized backman.
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Just hope we don't waste the draft pick.
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Tyrone Vickery officially joins Hawthorn, Richmond don’t match free agency offer
Herald Sun
10 October 2016 1 hr ago
TYRONE Vickery will play for Hawthorn next year following Richmond’s decision not to match the Hawks’ free agency offer.
Hawthorn offered Vickery a two-year deal on Friday.
Vickery’s departure will net the Tigers pick 26 in the national draft.
“Ty’s a terrific person, and has given our Club great service in his eight seasons at Richmond,” Richmond’s General Manager – Football Talent, Dan Richardson said.
“We accept the free agency system has provided Ty with this opportunity, and we understand his desire to seek a fresh start at a new Club to continue his football career.
“The Club wishes both Ty, and his wife, Arina all the best for the future, and they’re always welcome at Richmond.”
Vickery was drafted by the Tigers in 2008. He has played 119 games for Richmond and kicked 158 goals.
Hawthorn recruiting and list manager Graham Wright said the club was excited to have Vickery at the club.
“His ability to play both ruck and forward will be an extremely valuable asset making him a fantastic addition to our list.
“At 26 years of age Ty has plenty of football left to play and we look forward to seeing what he can produce at the Hawks.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tyrone-vickery-officially-joins-hawthorn-richmond-dont-match-free-agency-offer/news-story/90a29ddf33720b4ad8575190f7dda937
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Will probably go on to success like Ottens did at the Cats...
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26th justifies throwing away pick 6 :scream
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Will probably go on to success like Ottens did at the Cats...
Go and support them then
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Will probably go on to success like Ottens did at the Cats...
Go and support them then
WTF has that got to do with my comment? Just being your usual self again.
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Most likely stay how he is now in that he can do a few good things in game but will frustrate the supporters. Cant see him change that much at his age which is a shame. I watched his age group during the under 18 carnival and he was a stand out! Just doesn't want it enough IMO. See ya!
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Can't wait for him to kick 5 in a game and have a few people come out of the woodwork with the told you's etc. only for him to vanish into the abyss again until he gets suspended or marks another invisible ball
“The Club wishes both Ty, and his wife, Arina all the best for the future, and they’re always welcome at Richmond.”
Laying the ground work for when he fails at Hawthorn and we bring him back :shh
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Pick 26!?
Run boys ruuuuun
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:clapping :clapping :cheers :cheers :birthday :snidegrin
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Pick 26
Win for us
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Damo has some news around the Vickery-Hawthorn deal and questions being asked by rival clubs.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
Anyone here what Barrett said?
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Damo has some news around the Vickery-Hawthorn deal and questions being asked by rival clubs.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
Anyone here what Barrett said?
He was queering if some sneaky business occurred. Clubs thought he was offered a 3 year $400K deal but just put in a 2 year $500K deal to get the compo. However it was all legit because the Hawks learn't we would match their initial deal so they changed the offer so they wouldn't have to trade.
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QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THE VICKERY DEAL?
Damian Barrett on NAB AFL Trade Radio said some clubs are concerned about the Tyrone Vickery deal.
On Monday, the Hawks put out a press release to say Vickery had arrived on a three-year deal. Within seconds, that had been corrected to say it was a two-year deal.
Damo says there are murmurings about that contract from other footy clubs. He has heard some clubs believe it was a two-year, $500k deal to allow Richmond to receive a second-round compensation pick.
If the Hawks had officially put forth a three-year, $400k, RIchmond would likely have matched and forced the Hawks to trade for him.
http://www.afl.com.au/trade/trade-talk
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My question is how is 2-year @ $500 going to receive a better compo than 3 year @ $400? I'd assume 3 year @ $400 would be better?
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My question is how is 2-year @ $500 going to receive a better compo than 3 year @ $400? I'd assume 3 year @ $400 would be better?
I honestly thought there was no formula and the AFL just rapes or blows off whoever they feel like.
IE pick 19 for Buddy because hawthorn is strong and pick 2 or whatever for Scully just to cup Melbourne's balls some more. Clearly contract size had SFA to do with it.
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Barrett making poo up as usual stuffing ponce, I would love to get his head and Bolts head and smash em together a few times
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My question is how is 2-year @ $500 going to receive a better compo than 3 year @ $400? I'd assume 3 year @ $400 would be better?
I honestly thought there was no formula and the AFL just rapes or blows off whoever they feel like.
IE pick 19 for Buddy because hawthorn is strong and pick 2 or whatever for Scully just to cup Melbourne's balls some more. Clearly contract size had SFA to do with it.
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My question is how is 2-year @ $500 going to receive a better compo than 3 year @ $400? I'd assume 3 year @ $400 would be better?
I honestly thought there was no formula and the AFL just rapes or blows off whoever they feel like.
IE pick 19 for Buddy because hawthorn is strong and pick 2 or whatever for Scully just to cup Melbourne's balls some more. Clearly contract size had SFA to do with it.
I think that was to do with both clubs getting the highest possible compensation but because Hawks are good and Melb are poo it made it unfair. Still, I agree with you
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Barrett making poo up as usual stuffing ponce, I would love to get his head and Bolts head and smash em together a few times
Can u throw Andy Maher in and make t a decent kicking
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Barrett making poo up as usual stuffing ponce, I would love to get his head and Bolts head and smash em together a few times
Can u throw Andy Maher in and make t a decent kicking
Yeah that prick is a snivelling little ponce. The type of bloke that would run and hide among women and children during a fiasco
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Barrett making poo up as usual stuffing ponce, I would love to get his head and Bolts head and smash em together a few times
Can u throw Andy Maher in and make t a decent kicking
Yeah that prick is a snivelling little ponce. The type of bloke that would run and hide among women and children during a fiasco
Billy Zanes mate
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Barrett making poo up as usual stuffing ponce, I would love to get his head and Bolts head and smash em together a few times
Can u throw Andy Maher in and make t a decent kicking
Yeah that prick is a snivelling little ponce. The type of bloke that would run and hide among women and children during a fiasco
Yes.
"Please .... You don't have to do this"
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Barrett making poo up as usual stuffing ponce, I would love to get his head and Bolts head and smash em together a few times
Can u throw Andy Maher in and make t a decent kicking
Yeah that prick is a snivelling little ponce. The type of bloke that would run and hide among women and children during a fiasco
The type of bloke that when the orders are given the night before to go over the top of the trenches, he carries on to the extent that you need to bayonet the prick for a few moments of peace and quiet
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Barrett making poo up as usual stuffing ponce, I would love to get his head and Bolts head and smash em together a few times
Can u throw Andy Maher in and make t a decent kicking
You have a deal Ox
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Barrett making poo up as usual stuffing ponce, I would love to get his head and Bolts head and smash em together a few times
Can u throw Andy Maher in and make t a decent kicking
You have a deal Ox
Ah cmon you blokes
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Barrett making poo up as usual stuffing ponce, I would love to get his head and Bolts head and smash em together a few times
Can u throw Andy Maher in and make t a decent kicking
You have a deal Ox
Ah cmon you blokes
Haha
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QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THE VICKERY DEAL?
Damian Barrett on NAB AFL Trade Radio said some clubs are concerned about the Tyrone Vickery deal.
On Monday, the Hawks put out a press release to say Vickery had arrived on a three-year deal. Within seconds, that had been corrected to say it was a two-year deal.
Damo says there are murmurings about that contract from other footy clubs. He has heard some clubs believe it was a two-year, $500k deal to allow Richmond to receive a second-round compensation pick.
If the Hawks had officially put forth a three-year, $400k, RIchmond would likely have matched and forced the Hawks to trade for him.
http://www.afl.com.au/trade/trade-talk
It's a very interesting point actually
You might find one isn't particularly happy with the other at the moment
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QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THE VICKERY DEAL?
Damian Barrett on NAB AFL Trade Radio said some clubs are concerned about the Tyrone Vickery deal.
On Monday, the Hawks put out a press release to say Vickery had arrived on a three-year deal. Within seconds, that had been corrected to say it was a two-year deal.
Damo says there are murmurings about that contract from other footy clubs. He has heard some clubs believe it was a two-year, $500k deal to allow Richmond to receive a second-round compensation pick.
If the Hawks had officially put forth a three-year, $400k, RIchmond would likely have matched and forced the Hawks to trade for him.
http://www.afl.com.au/trade/trade-talk
It's a very interesting point actually
You might find one isn't particularly happy with the other at the moment
FACT?
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QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THE VICKERY DEAL?
Damian Barrett on NAB AFL Trade Radio said some clubs are concerned about the Tyrone Vickery deal.
On Monday, the Hawks put out a press release to say Vickery had arrived on a three-year deal. Within seconds, that had been corrected to say it was a two-year deal.
Damo says there are murmurings about that contract from other footy clubs. He has heard some clubs believe it was a two-year, $500k deal to allow Richmond to receive a second-round compensation pick.
If the Hawks had officially put forth a three-year, $400k, RIchmond would likely have matched and forced the Hawks to trade for him.
http://www.afl.com.au/trade/trade-talk
It's a very interesting point actually
You might find one isn't particularly happy with the other at the moment
Who cares
The deal is done we did well out of it
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QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THE VICKERY DEAL?
Damian Barrett on NAB AFL Trade Radio said some clubs are concerned about the Tyrone Vickery deal.
On Monday, the Hawks put out a press release to say Vickery had arrived on a three-year deal. Within seconds, that had been corrected to say it was a two-year deal.
Damo says there are murmurings about that contract from other footy clubs. He has heard some clubs believe it was a two-year, $500k deal to allow Richmond to receive a second-round compensation pick.
If the Hawks had officially put forth a three-year, $400k, RIchmond would likely have matched and forced the Hawks to trade for him.
http://www.afl.com.au/trade/trade-talk
It's a very interesting point actually
You might find one isn't particularly happy with the other at the moment
I doubt it.
We have the right to match bids for RFA. If they realised they had to up the ante significantly or we would have retained him, that's just part of the wheeling and dealing.
Did they expect us just to give him away for nothing?
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Interesting re pick 26, is this set in stone or could it drift out depending on other club trade/dealing?
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Interesting re pick 26, is this set in stone or could it drift out depending on other club trade/dealing?
I think it drifts out if other teams obtain free agency compensation before it.
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Interesting re pick 26, is this set in stone or could it drift out depending on other club trade/dealing?
I think it drifts out if other teams obtain free agency compensation before it.
that's what I reckon, so it could go out 5 or 6 spots worst case scenario or does it have to remain in the second round selection (eg if it was on the cusp)
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It always remains immediately after our second (the one we traded last year). Even if it moves due to compo picks coming in earlier it will always be a second round pick.
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It always remains immediately after our second (the one we traded last year). Even if it moves due to compo picks coming in earlier it will always be a second round pick.
Yeah but the second round and the place the pick falls would still move. Hence 26 could become 30 or 32
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I said that.
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I said that.
Roger.
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Still makes me smile every time I see this thread ;D
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AFL quizzes Hawthorn for a second time over Vickery deal
AFL.com.au
17 October 2017
HAWTHORN has been quizzed by the AFL for a second time about the circumstances behind free agent Ty Vickery's move to Waverley amid opposition disquiet about how the Hawks' offer was structured.
Any club that makes a free agency or trade offer is routinely questioned about the terms of the deal when it lodges it with the AFL.
The Hawks lodged a two-year deal for Vickery believed to be worth about $1 million a week ago, but were called into League headquarters again on Monday morning when AFL officials questioned them once more about the mechanics of the Vickery deal.
Despite earlier speculation Richmond might match a Hawthorn offer to the restricted free agent, the Tigers let Vickery pass to the Hawks without any fight after being advised the spearhead's lucrative new deal would earn them a second-round compensation pick (currently No.27).
Rival clubs have privately expressed concerns about whether the Vickery deal was structured to ensure the spearhead got to Waverley and Richmond was compensated with an attractive pick.
The Hawks were linked to Vickery late in the 2016 season and industry sources initially believed they were considering tabling a three-year offer that was expected to earn Richmond an end-of-second or third-round pick.
When announcing Vickery's signing, Hawthorn published a statement on social media saying the 26-year-old had accepted a three-year deal, but quickly replaced it with an updated version that referred to a two-year deal.
An AFL spokesman said Monday's meeting was "part of our routine sign-off of all free agency moves and finalising of all trades".
Clubs contacted by AFL.com.au on Monday said they had only been required to discuss the details of free agency deals with the AFL at one meeting, which occurred when they lodged the official paperwork.
Vickery played 119 games and kicked 158 goals in eight seasons with Richmond after being recruited with pick No.8 in the 2008 NAB AFL Draft.
Richmond and Hawthorn have been contacted for comment.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-17/afl-quizzes-hawthorn-for-a-second-time-over-vickery-deal
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Vickery's first interview as a Hawk:
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/video/2016-10-17/vickery-visits-waverley-excited-to-get-amongst-it
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I'm impressed and rapt we pulled a dirty move on this contract.
If we told Hawks we would match their offer unless they restructured it to bump our compo pick to the second round that's a great move.
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I'm impressed and rapt we pulled a dirty move on this contract.
If we told Hawks we would match their offer unless they restructured it to bump our compo pick to the second round that's a great move.
A bit unstable and non PC for my liking
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Mitch and Lewis were very excited about the recruitment of TV
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Vickery's first interview as a Hawk:
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/video/2016-10-17/vickery-visits-waverley-excited-to-get-amongst-it
one eyed can you not post video links of this bloke
FK Him i say
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View from the Outer
Talk here about footy stuff not related to the Tigers. AFL, VFL, etc...
:shh
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View from the Outer
Talk here about footy stuff not related to the Tigers. AFL, VFL, etc...
:shh
fk him. Does he play for richmond? No
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He does not
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Controversy continues to surround Vickery's Hawks contract
By Sporting News
23 October 2016
Controversy continues to surround the new contract of Tyrone Vickery at the Hawks, according to prominent footy writer, Damian Barrett.
Upon getting Vickery, Hawthorn released a club statement announcing they had signed the 26-year-old on a three-year deal, however almost immediately redressed that by announcing the deal was in fact over two seasons.
Speaking on Triple M on Sunday morning, Barrett announced that he believed other clubs are suspicious of the deal Vickery has penned with the Hawks.
There are suggestions that the Hawks and Tigers have come to an agreement surrounding the free agent, in order for Richmond to receive a higher compensation pick for Vickery’s departure from the club.
“Even the dealing… around getting Tyrone Vickery in as a free agent — there was controversy around that,” Barrett said.
“The clubs aren’t buying the release that he had a two-year contract from Hawthorn: they believe it’s a three-year contract on less money than the half a million dollars it will be under a two-year deal.
“What it did by making it two years was allow him to pass as a Richmond player into a Hawthorn club… that allowed Richmond to get a second-round compensation.”
The suggestion being made is that some deal has been struck in order to deliver a win-win situation for both clubs away from the spotlight of the AFL and other clubs.
“In offering a two-year deal at, say, $500,000 for each of those two years, it’s a million dollar offer which Richmond wasn’t going to match,” Barrett said.
“I’ll be really keen to see what happens to Tyrone Vickery at the end of 2018, because there’s basically 16 other footy clubs that believe it’s a three-year deal.
“That was being investigated by the AFL early in the week, and (we’re) yet to see an answer on that.”
http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/controversy-continues-to-surround-vickerys-hawks-contract/gl2z92nns9601asz7m0c48cy2
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Is it any surprise half the AFL fraternity want to smash this campaigner head in!
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Here we go ... poor little Whoreforn had to tell fibs to the AFL & the football world because big bad nasty Richmond threatened to take away their new toy if they didn't! ::)
Poor dears ... the way we dragged their angelic name through the mud with our bullying ways is just too ghastly to comprehend! We should feel sorry for them & buy them a new toy to make up for it .... ::) Maybe we should let them usurp our recruiting zone again ... they seem to like doing that!
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I don't understand why or how this is controversial?
Anytime there is compensation involved, clubs are going to try and take advantage of the system. As far as I see it, Hawthorn did nothing wrong.
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I don't understand why or how this is controversial?
Anytime there is compensation involved, clubs are going to try and take advantage of the system. As far as I see it, Hawthorn did nothing wrong.
Yep.
So they changed the contract so we wouldn't match it. What's wrong with that?
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Barrett the stuffing encephalic headed stuff wit desperately scrounging for dirt on us
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“In offering a two-year deal at, say, $500,000 for each of those two years, it’s a million dollar offer which Richmond wasn’t going to match,” Barrett said.
On this point, I still don't understand how 2 years on $500k (i.e. million dollars) is better than 3 years on even $400k ($1.2m) which is what was reported the other day
I'm not sure but I assume every free agent contract would have to go through the AFL to work out compensation? So wouldn't the AFL have seen it was a two year deal (if true)?
Who cares we got what we wanted
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I don't understand why any of this crap matters?
Hawks offer Vickery $1.2million/3 years
Tigers do the maths and realise they will get round 3 compo
Tigers discuss with Hawks that it's in their best interest to match the offer/instigate a trade
Hawks and Tigers likely both agree to change Vickery's contract, they keep trade currency, we get a better pick, both teams win
Don't see what the issue is personally... It's collusion but is there anything that says you can't negotiate on these grounds? Free agency is so now I don't know how the legalities work...
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The O’Meara bungle adds to what some clubs have already labelled the “dodgiest” trade period yet.
It began with Hawthorn publishing a statement declaring free agent Tyrone Vickery had accepted a three-year deal, only for that to be deleted and quickly replaced with a statement saying it was two years.
Sources close to Vickery told the Herald Sun before the deal was done he was expecting to stay at Waverley for at least three years.
The Hawks were routinely quizzed by the AFL and rivals wondered whether Vickery’s contract was structured to help Richmond land a better compensation pick.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-admits-to-making-a-mistake-in-the-massive-trade-which-sent-jaeger-omeara-to-hawthorn/news-story/e5b34107a511d81bcae89b09cf81669e
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Can anyone post the full article?
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Mark Williams doubts Vickery's aerobic fitness
Foxsports
25 January 2017
Former Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams, who spent four years at the Tigers, said Vickery was a “wonderful team man” who had great hands inside forward 50 and an accurate set-shot for goal.
But Williams added that Vickery’s biggest issue was his aerobic fitness — a factor that could hinder Vickery’s impact, should the Hawks wish to use him more frequently in the ruck due to the absence of injured ruckman Jon Ceglar.
"When it comes to running around the ground, that’s where Ty struggles. His aerobic running ability is the No. 1 thing that holds him back,” Williams told SEN.
“John Vickery, his dad, who’s an ex-player at Collingwood and a fitness guru — you’d imagine he’s been working on that for a long, long time.
“I’m thinking that Ty tries really, really hard ... Typically people can improve their aerobic fitness a lot better than their speed. Ty has, but he’s certainly not elite — and that’s probably his downside.”
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/ty-vickery-being-groomed-to-fill-hole-left-vacant-by-david-hale-at-hawthorn/news-story/1f8b5d31ad71bb91e55f5ac00be0ecf4
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Nothing a bit of hard work on the track won't fix imo. At Richmond we conceded it and accepted it "well he'll never have a tank" was our reasoning... at the hawks he'll get a clip around the ear, be forced to work harder and what's the bet he starts rucking more frequently?
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Williams also said Vickery was a good mark when playing forward...please, for his size he is possibly the worst in the AFL.
Move on Williams and thank god we have with both of you :whistle
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Poor endurance. Poor mark. Poor tackler. No defensive pressure in fws line. Avoids body contact at centre bounces.... lazy.....
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Poor endurance. Poor mark. Poor tackler. No defensive pressure in fws line. Avoids body contact at centre bounces.... lazy.....
and that my friend, is a definite starter for the RFC 22.
Hardwick created the benchmark.
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Poor endurance. Poor mark. Poor tackler. No defensive pressure in fws line. Avoids body contact at centre bounces.... lazy.....
But otherwise a champion player!
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Poor endurance. Poor mark. Poor tackler. No defensive pressure in fws line. Avoids body contact at centre bounces.... lazy.....
and that my friend, is a definite starter for the RFC 22.
Hardwick created the benchmark.
Port Adelaides motto - 'we exist to win premierships'
Hardwicks motto - 'Awwwww cmon guys.....look, let me tell the supporters we really need to try to make the finals this year. Now we won't promise to try, but at least we'll try to try....and that's important to us. now get Behind MY Richmond as we rack up as many cheap and pointless possessions as we can, kick to pockets and And if I don't seen my favourites corralling their hearts out, mark my words they'll be given a stern somewhat of a suggestion to do so next game'.
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Hawks midfield didn't work anywhere near hard enough to make Vickery look good.
Cmon Mitchell, Jaeger et al work harder FFS
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12 disp, 10 hitouts, 5 tackles, 2 FF, 2 FA, 2 behinds ..... Hardly the stats of a "rejuvenated" footballer.
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12 disp, 10 hitouts, 5 tackles, 2 FF, 2 FA, 2 behinds ..... Hardly the stats of a "rejuvenated" footballer.
Stacks up pretty well against our Big Benny Griffiths.
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12 disp, 10 hitouts, 5 tackles, 2 FF, 2 FA, 2 behinds ..... Hardly the stats of a "rejuvenated" footballer.
Stacks up pretty well against our Big Benny Griffiths.
Both are poo
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He's a credit to both our recruiting and development departments. :rollin
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12 disp, 10 hitouts, 5 tackles, 2 FF, 2 FA, 2 behinds ..... Hardly the stats of a "rejuvenated" footballer.
Stacks up pretty well against our Big Benny Griffiths.
Not defending Griffs but Vickery is on more $$$. Lingy gave Ty most disappointing player of the night. Like TV did playing with us, he missed two set shots at goal at key moments.
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Hawks have made him better when you consider that he's always missed his set shots to the right when he played for us - last night he missed eight and left :thumbsup
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Watching ty last night, biggest arm waver on the field. Every single contest he didn't win or gain possession he would wave his arms and give up on the contest. Most infuriating player to watch.
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Watching ty last night, biggest arm waver on the field. Every single contest he didn't win or gain possession he would wave his arms and give up on the contest. Most infuriating player to watch.
Maybe he is giving the MCC a chop out and trying to scare away the birds
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Most infuriating player to watch.
Not anymore...he's fun to watch now...
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I'd be more worried about Griff than an ex player of ours playing in a side that has dominated the competition for the last decade.
Most are glad to see him gone but I bet he is probably more happy to be out of the most unsuccessful club in the last 35 years.
I wish him luck just like I do Lids at GWS.
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Difference between the two is Lids had a crack
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I never wish hawthorn luck
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Thought maybe that Clarkson would wave his magic wand and TV would be a world beater but as they say in the classics you can't polish a turd.
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Thought maybe that Clarkson would wave his magic wand and TV would be a world beater but as they say in the classics you can't polish a turd.
How many goals will Griff and TV kick this year?
My money is on TV to kick more.
So if TV is a turd, what does that make Griff?
I'm not a massive fan of TV but he is miles ahead of our dud Griffiths.
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Thought maybe that Clarkson would wave his magic wand and TV would be a world beater but as they say in the classics you can't polish a turd.
How many goals will Griff and TV kick this year?
My money is on TV to kick more.
So if TV is a turd, what does that make Griff?
I'm not a massive fan of TV but he is miles ahead of our dud Griffiths.
Come on mate we stuffing get it, you don't like Griff and you rate Vickery higher. To bad that has nothing to stuffing do with what everyone else is talking about. Not sure if you know, but you can talk about one player without having to compare them with someone else every chance you get.
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12 disp, 10 hitouts, 5 tackles, 2 FF, 2 FA, 2 behinds ..... Hardly the stats of a "rejuvenated" footballer.
And the first (and only to this stage) player to get done for the new third man up rule. How predictable :lol
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Thought maybe that Clarkson would wave his magic wand and TV would be a world beater but as they say in the classics you can't polish a turd.
How many goals will Griff and TV kick this year?
My money is on TV to kick more.
So if TV is a turd, what does that make Griff?
I'm not a massive fan of TV but he is miles ahead of our dud Griffiths.
Miles ahead of getting a cheap goal out the back I will give that to Ty
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Thought maybe that Clarkson would wave his magic wand and TV would be a world beater but as they say in the classics you can't polish a turd.
How many goals will Griff and TV kick this year?
My money is on TV to kick more.
So if TV is a turd, what does that make Griff?
I'm not a massive fan of TV but he is miles ahead of our dud Griffiths.
Come on mate we stuffing get it, you don't like Griff and you rate Vickery higher. To bad that has nothing to stuffing do with what everyone else is talking about. Not sure if you know, but you can talk about one player without having to compare them with someone else every chance you get.
I'll compare whoever I like as many times as I like.
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Vickery doesn't need to be a champion just do his role in one for the better sides in histriy
Mainly led, catch, kick straight. Sometimes ruck
Chances are it'll work fine ...
Or maybe it won't
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Bit premature there
Hawks are a mess. All tyrones fault?
He'd get a game at tiger land. Light years ahead of elton
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No Tyrone
No Hawks 😂😂😂
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Played his typical game today. That's three in a row this year.
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12 disp, 10 hitouts, 5 tackles, 2 FF, 2 FA, 2 behinds ..... Hardly the stats of a "rejuvenated" footballer.
And the first (and only to this stage) player to get done for the new third man up rule. How predictable :lol
5 tackles?
More than his entire career at Richmond.
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12 disp, 10 hitouts, 5 tackles, 2 FF, 2 FA, 2 behinds ..... Hardly the stats of a "rejuvenated" footballer.
And the first (and only to this stage) player to get done for the new third man up rule. How predictable :lol
5 tackles?
More than his entire career at Richmond.
How many effective? Zero. Same diff
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Pooman
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Saying that he would still get a game for us is not exactly high praise, given our KP stocks.
Watching him play for the Dawks has really opened my eyes as to what a certified potato he is.
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Saying that he would still get a game for us is not exactly high praise, given our KP stocks.
Watching him play for the Dawks has really opened my eyes as to what a certified potato he is.
Depends how you look at it.
We are 3-0 and he'd walk into our b22
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Saying that he would still get a game for us is not exactly high praise, given our KP stocks.
Watching him play for the Dawks has really opened my eyes as to what a certified potato he is.
Depends how you look at it.
We are 3-0 and he'd walk into our b22
Don't think so, I reckon the reason he left was that the writing was on the wall
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Second round pick is probably above his market value. Take it and run.
As much fun as it is bagging Tyrone:
- he's kicked more afl goals than most people in his age group, "soft" goals are still worth six points
- more than one club want him
Should get something better FFs - look at Stanley to Geelong who's a gimp
He's a tall forward who is handy in the ruck. There arn't many of those at AFL level.
He's not a tall forward's A-hole.
Nor a ruck's A-hole.
He plays C-grade football in both positions. Could have been B-grade in both if he tried harder.
If we get pick 25 then take it and run. I would still be satisfied with pick 37 to be honest...
How many players drafted 2008 onwards - have kicked as many goals as Vickery?
Not many.
He is a fwds a-hole
Oh I didn't realize you were pumping his tyres up when the deal was done
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Sounds like Facts by that knowledgable commentator. Not tire pumping.
Disagreeing with the "Not a footballers / fwd hole" hyperbole Is a reasonable position. In contrast with the fat Internet heros with the tantrums
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Saying that he would still get a game for us is not exactly high praise, given our KP stocks.
Watching him play for the Dawks has really opened my eyes as to what a certified potato he is.
Depends how you look at it.
We are 3-0 and he'd walk into our b22
Don't think so, I reckon the reason he left was that the writing was on the wall
I reckon he's smart enough to work out elton was rubbish, griff is always broken an there ain't much else on the list.
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Now the Dawk supporters get to enjoy the antics of Sideshow Bob. :lol
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Was once a promising young footballer - now the Hawthorn system has ruined his career.
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Greg Denham SEN this morning described Vickery as the worst player in the AFL.
:lol
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We are 3-0 and he'd walk into our b22
And we'd be infinitely worse off bc of that.
Even struggling for a second big man we are so much better off without this 6ft 5 witches hat
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Greg Denham SEN this morning described Vickery as the worst player in the AFL.
:lol
Where does he have toddy in his rankings
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Denham wouldn't even know who Elton is....
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Bit premature there
Hawks are a mess. All tyrones fault?
He'd get a game at tiger land. Light years ahead of elton
Yeahright, Bents
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I was on the I hate vickery train well before it was fashionable.
Yet Tyrone being a potato doesn't make chol, toddy, elton, Moore, any better at football.
Nor does it stop Griff getting ko'ed all the time
Denham wouldn't even know who Elton is....
Yer So it's more "worst player in the afl - that's established and I've heard of "
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Yes Bents, that is correct.
BTW - weren't you a Chol fanboy last year? Didn't you keep calling for Halfstep to play him, McBean & Moore ahead of Vickery, Griffiths & Hamspud?
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Bottom line is we had seen enough of Vickery and he is a proven dud
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Champion Data rates Vickery as "poor" or "below average" in several key statistical areas as both a ruckman and forward in his underwhelming three games as a Hawk.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-12/ty-vickery-failing-to-fly-as-a-new-hawk
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I dont need stats to tell me the bleeding obvious
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Mark Williams, the premiership coach, rates Vickery as a strong contested mark.
Obvious why I am not a premiership coach as I reckon that is one of Ty's main weaknesses
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Mark Williams, the premiership coach, rates Vickery as a strong contested mark.
Obvious why I am not a premiership coach as I reckon that is one of Ty's main weaknesses
Choco was probably referring to the strong marks Vickery's face was leaving on the ball
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:lol
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Saying that he would still get a game for us is not exactly high praise, given our KP stocks.
Watching him play for the Dawks has really opened my eyes as to what a certified potato he is.
Depends how you look at it.
We are 3-0 and he'd walk into our b22
We are 3-0 and grigg is a lock in our best 22
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Anyone have the low down on why the great man isn't playing in the Dawks team this week
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Anyone have the low down on why the great man isn't playing in the Dawks team this week
Back tightness.
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From carrying Richmond for the past 5 seasons
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Anyone have the low down on why the great man isn't playing in the Dawks team this week
Pea heart. Cant get a game for a winless side that is bottom of the ladder with a % of half an aggot
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Thanks, no wonder the Dawks could only kick a few goals without him
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Thanks, no wonder the Dawks could only kick a few goals without him
Tragedy, if
Ty had played Hawks would have won easily😂
Just goes to show what a waste of time it was keeping him all that time. (All due respect) and we should have offloaded him years ago.
Good list management on his trade/release
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Thanks, no wonder the Dawks could only kick a few goals without him
Id say 'your welcome' but since 2pm ive had a temperature of 39.5, four bouts of the runs and a massive headache.
Seriously i could spray through the eye of a needle
Wheres this 'Doc' guy? I need some advice #struggling
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Thanks, no wonder the Dawks could only kick a few goals without him
Id say 'your welcome' but since 2pm ive had a temperature of 39.5, four bouts of the runs and a massive headache.
Seriously i could spray through the eye of a needle
Wheres this 'Doc' guy? I need some advice #struggling
:lol :lol :lol :shh
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What a cancer this bloke was . Good riddance.
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Thanks, no wonder the Dawks could only kick a few goals without him
Id say 'your welcome' but since 2pm ive had a temperature of 39.5, four bouts of the runs and a massive headache.
Seriously i could spray through the eye of a needle
Wheres this 'Dioc' guy? I need some advice #struggling
EFA. He's the one that's got more experience with that stuff.
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Yes Dooks, YBB wouldn't know as most of his shyte comes out the other end....
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Yes Dooks, YBB wouldn't know as most of his shyte comes out the other end....
touche. :lol
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He's no longer at the rfc.
Move on, ladies .
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:lol
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Yes Dooks, YBB wouldn't know as most of his shyte comes out the other end....
I thought it was from google searches?
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Yes Dooks, YBB wouldn't know as most of his shyte comes out the other end....
I thought it was from google searches?
That is your level of knowledge, not mine.
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every time i need to cheer up i look at this thread fmd they actually got a second rounder for this peaheart.
I wonder if anyone will offer Griffiths 500k a yr and more than one yr. One can only hope.
Looks to me we need to move on both Griffiths and Elton come seasons end. I will be wrapt if somehow we miraculously got something for them.
Any serious club would definately be looking to cut Griffiths, Elton, Hampson and Maric.It doesnt leave much in terms of talls on the list.
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He's no longer at the rfc.
Move on, ladies .
A tad ironic that post
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http://www.3aw.com.au/news/matthew-richardson-says-online-attacks-on-tyrone-vickery-have-gone-too-far-20170419-gvo3dq.html
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http://www.3aw.com.au/news/matthew-richardson-says-online-attacks-on-tyrone-vickery-have-gone-too-far-20170419-gvo3dq.html
Obviously read my poll :shh
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I have little sympathy for Vickery...
Just a lazy footballer.
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Layzee boy cant handle public criticism but is content to play rubbish football for 500k pa?
Precious much?
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TIGERS DEFEND VICKERY
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin has leapt to the defence of former teammate Ty Vickery.
The Tiger-turned-Hawk has copped a social media barrage after Hawthorn's winless start to the season and after being a late withdrawal with injury before Monday's loss to Geelong.
However, Cotchin and Tigers great Matthew Richardson said Vickery's treatment had gone too far.
"The reality is, Ty is a fantastic person, he's been given another opportunity at another football club, granted they haven't won a game yet," Cotchin said.
"I don't think you can rest results on one individual. That's the beauty of our team game, it's 22 that need to come together and perform on game day and even during the week.
"He's a great person, he obviously wants to perform at his best. It's not like he's sitting there trying not to perform.
"The way I look at it is everyone's entitled to an opinion, and everyone has one. Just like armpits, some stink, some don't."
Earlier, Richardson said social media could have a significant impact on players and slammed the abuse aimed at the key forward.
"He's gone to a new club, he's injured, he'd love to be out there trying to show his wares in the forward line (but) Hawthorn are hardly playing great footy," he said on 3AW.
"I mean, Jack Gunston's struggling to get a kick in the forward line.
"I just reckon the memes about Vickery at the moment are too harsh and I don't think people realise the effect that can have on the individual."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia/news-story/b5d2b64851e74eefbe278c354fc34467
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He is a bit stiff
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He's just not that good. I wish him luck but we aren't missing him on the field.
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I thought one of the reasons he left was due to an exasperation that he was the scapegoat for our team performances.
Sometimes, ain't life a bitch?
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I thought one of the reasons he left was due to an exasperation that he was the scapegoat for our team performances.
Sometimes, ain't life a bitch?
:shh
:lol :lol :lol
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Good footballers work hard and compete.
Funny how the Richmond players are supporting him. Not much from Hawthorn...
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Good footballers work hard and compete.
Funny how the Richmond players are supporting him. Not much from Hawthorn...
Great point.
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People really need to get a life. Good on Cotch and others for sticking fat with their mate.
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I feel sympathy for Ty. Doesn't deserve the attention he is getting.
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maybe cotch's wife can jump on social media and have her say.
FFS grow a pair. who cares about bloody memes. Is ty upset?
plenty other footballers have copped far worse.
if your a footballer and your in the public then be prepared for these things. If you don't like it or thinks its unfair then dont do the job
Maybe we should get richard lounder on social media to have a cry about how he perceived and spoken about as the worst first pick in the history of the vfl/afl
stay out of it and move on geez
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maybe cotch's wife can jump on social media and have her say.
FFS grow a pair. who cares about bloody memes. Is ty upset?
plenty other footballers have copped far worse.
if your a footballer and your in the public then be prepared for these things. If you don't like it or thinks its unfair then dont do the job
Maybe we should get richard lounder on social media to have a cry about how he perceived and spoken about as the worst first pick in the history of the vfl/afl
stay out of it and move on geez
Exactly :clapping
Are the rest of you lot done with your collective wailing and mourning?
Mourning that a rubbish footy player on half a million a year with a public profile who plays rubbish and doesnt want to be made accountable (despite the public profile) or talked about, is the true victims of societal injustice.
What a travesty of humanity!!!
And yes i know he didnt play last week and no i dont care.
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People really need to get a life. Good on Cotch and others for sticking fat with their mate.
:clapping :clapping
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The worlds gone soft
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The worlds gone soft
You're darn right.
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The worlds gone soft
Depends on your perspective - everyone's entitled to an opinion aren't they? Seems a. It soft to get hysterical because a couple of footballers are backing their mate.
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The worlds gone soft
Depends on your perspective - everyone's entitled to an opinion aren't they? Seems a. It soft to get hysterical because a couple of footballers are backing their mate.
Nobody would have thought it needed defending back in the day.
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The worlds gone soft
Depends on your perspective - everyone's entitled to an opinion aren't they? Seems a. It soft to get hysterical because a couple of footballers are backing their mate.
It's a question of need.
Real mates in a pre-soft world would know they would make their mate look like a goose if they did such a thing
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It is a different world. Social media pervades lives and can literally ruin individuals and families. Vickery isn't soft and BTW he hasn't complained. In the past you would snot anyone who knocked your mate and then your mate would finish the job. How, pray tell, can you do that when the cowards are anonymous internet trolls? All people can do now is respond in kind just as Cotch did.
Vickery did the right thing by leaving. He extended his career by a year at least and we picked up a gun in Shia Bolton.
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kicked 4 box hill his level
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Out of all drafting debacles FJ has blessed us with, Sideshow makes 2008 one of the worst drafting years in the clubs history.
Let's give ol' "Betamax" a contract extension for his excellent services to the club. :clapping :rollin :clapping
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Good footballers work hard and compete.
Funny how the Richmond players are supporting him. Not much from Hawthorn...
Have you ever thought he might be a decent bloke outside footy ?
Have been to his restaurant at Tooronga Village ( Fat Monkey ) and he isn't a bad bloke
Not his fault he got drafted where he did
Tried his best at Punt Rd but found wanting
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Yeah na soft. If it doesn't bother him then the others should stfu and ignore it. Cotch can't ignore things like that and nor can his mrs.
If it was plough it wouldn't even get a mention and that bloke has copped worse and still is.
Hampson, Dale Thomas..ditto
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Good footballers work hard and compete.
Funny how the Richmond players are supporting him. Not much from Hawthorn...
Have you ever thought he might be a decent bloke outside footy ?
Have been to his restaurant at Tooronga Village ( Fat Monkey ) and he isn't a bad bloke
Not his fault he got drafted where he did
Tried his best at Punt Rd but found wanting
Not sure why you picked this comment out of all of them to bring up that he's a nice guy
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Who gives a poo if any of them are nice blokes.
When it comes to the players they damn well had better be able to play consistently well at the level or they can pee off.
Im probably lucky and being 3k kilometres away dont have the emotional attachement to players that others do.
On Vickery he played soft is soft and has a pea heart when it comes to footy.
Yep he may well be a good bloke but when it comes to footy i dont give a poo, all i want is bloke who can get along in a team and play damn good footy.
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Who gives a poo if any of them are nice blokes.
When it comes to the players they damn well had better be able to play consistently well at the level or they can pee off.
Im probably lucky and being 3k kilometres away dont have the emotional attachement to players that others do.
On Vickery he played soft is soft and has a pea heart when it comes to footy.
Yep he may well be a good bloke but when it comes to footy i dont give a poo, all i want is bloke who can get along in a team and play damn good footy.
Batch is your man then Clawski. Lets get around him :clapping
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/hawthorn/alastair-clarkson-says-hawks-had-to-pick-jack-fitzpatrick-ahead-of-ty-vickery/news-story/28a56b42599eb3db886914da1ff75ed7
Asked this morning what Vickery needed to do to regain his spot, Clarkson said: “He was really close to coming in this week, to be fair.
“He’s kicked goals at VFL level and he has averaged three a week for the last three games, he has acquitted himself well.
“But on this occasion ‘Fitzy’ had put together six or seven great games of footy that meant we had to reward the better player of the bigger fellows in the last few weeks.
“Ty is playing well and he will get his chance at some point in time, I’m sure. It’s not that he is doing anything particularly wrong, it’s just that Fitzy deserves his chance on form.”
Or interpreted for truth "stuff he is poo"
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If only we had the balls to look past the goals like Clarko obviously has
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Vickery dropped again by the Hawks.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-08/round-12-teams-revealed
Meanwhile, Bolton (pick 26) is in our senior side.
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Vickery dropped again by the Hawks.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-08/round-12-teams-revealed
Meanwhile, Bolton (pick 26) is in our senior side.
Yeah but vickery's a great guy who owns a restaurant. So it evens out.
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You gotta read the TV thread on big footy listening to the Whorethorn losers bitch n moan about TV. It's hilarious. We rogered em big time with that trade.
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You gotta read the TV thread on big footy listening to the Whorethorn losers bitch n moan about TV. It's hilarious. We rogered em big time with that trade.
Vickery left as a free agent not in any trade.
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Regardless they got shafted
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Hawthorn really showing that no matter how good you think you are, you are only a few bad decisions away from mediocrity.
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Hawthorn really showing that no matter how good you think you are, you are only a few bad decisions away from mediocrity.
Tywrong Pickery
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I want some of the gear Gary is on
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/port-adelaide/gary-buckenara-analyses-port-adelaides-list-after-the-2017-season/news-story/52b01e209c8d6b929eed613277592728
I think the Power needs ruck back-up in the form of a genuine forward-ruck, rather than someone who plays predominantly as a ruckman so it can keep All-Australian Ryder in the No. 1 role.
Lobbe is a ruckman and can’t really play forward so that’s why he hasn’t been getting a game.
I’d be looking around at other clubs and try to tempt an experienced player who could fill that role. The trouble is, they are very hard to find. Failing that, a player of that type would be a priority in the draft this year.
If Hawthorn wants to trade out Ty Vickery after one disappointing year on the list, he would be the type of player I’m thinking of, especially if Watts doesn’t want to go to Port.