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Title: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: 🏅Dooks on April 07, 2016, 11:27:42 PM
4th season first round pick. 22yo.

 Has flown under the radar. Taken before Danaher, Jacsch, Kommer

Yet is spruiked as a future captain.

Ellis is afforded less scrutiny.

Time to deliver.

Enough said.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: (•))(©™ on April 07, 2016, 11:30:46 PM
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Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2016, 11:35:08 PM
Time for his dopey coach to play him in the middle.

Least of our concerns.

End the clown stories.



Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 08, 2016, 12:45:45 AM
I'm starting to think that maybe he has already succumbed to the dreaded disease, looks like he's just isn't going to be what we all saw could've been. 


Richmond FC, ruining careers since 1983.  :clapping    :gotigers :clapping
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Yeahright on April 08, 2016, 12:57:06 AM
4th season first round pick. 22yo.

 Has flown under the radar. Taken before Danaher


Assuming you mean Daniher, he was a F/S pick. But whatever not sure why I'm even bothering
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: 🏅Dooks on April 08, 2016, 03:53:42 AM
But whatever not sure why I'm even bothering
To be honest we're not sure why either. 'Mr Value-Add' strikes again  ::)
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: 1965 on April 08, 2016, 05:44:35 AM
But whatever not sure why I'm even bothering
To be honest we're not sure why either. 'Mr Value-Add' strikes again  ::)


Pot, Kettle, Black?


 :lol
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 08, 2016, 06:41:58 AM
But whatever not sure why I'm even bothering
To be honest we're not sure why either. 'Mr Value-Add' strikes again  ::)
I think he makes a valid point about Daniher Dooks. Why mention Daniher at all? We were never going to get him as he was a F/S pick up.

I'm not too worried about Flossy. He plays his role down back. I agree he needs to be challenged more and play in the guts though.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Chuck17 on April 08, 2016, 06:47:26 AM
It's going to be a long season
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on April 08, 2016, 07:12:17 AM
It's going to be a long season

not really, season could be over by this weekend  :shh
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Go Richo 12 on April 08, 2016, 07:29:34 AM
It's going to be a long season

not really, season could be over by this weekend  :shh
It was over when Dimma tried to call off NAB 3.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: 🏅Dooks on April 08, 2016, 07:39:21 AM
It's going to be a long season

not really, season could be over by this weekend  :shh
It was over when Dimma tried to call off NAB 3.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 08, 2016, 08:06:46 AM
But whatever not sure why I'm even bothering
To be honest we're not sure why either. 'Mr Value-Add' strikes again  ::)


Pot, Kettle, Black?


 :lol

Yep, that is why your post didn't get a response.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: big tone on April 08, 2016, 09:21:12 AM
I think Vlastuin is tracking nicely.
One of the few true shinning lights as far as kids go over the last couple of seasons.
I think he is our only true option to play on Betts this weekend but I'd also like to see him get some stints in the middle this year. I think he has learnt valuable lessons as a defender but IMO he should slowly get introduced into the midfield as he is an upgrade on Townsend as that tough inside mid.
Problem is we have very few that can play his role in the back half.
Castagna is the only kid I can see on our list that is a natural small running defender.
Hopefully when Yarran is ready he can can help out there too.

McIntosh a must IMO now to play across HB.

Is like to see a backline like this at some stage during this year with Vlastuin in the midfield.

Grimes  Rance  Castgana
Yarran  Astbury  McIntosh
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Chopstix on April 08, 2016, 10:28:14 AM
Agree Big Tone - Vlossy needs to really step up and do a job on Eddie Betts tomorrow.

Love this kid but this is a big game for him I reckon.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Stalin on April 08, 2016, 10:42:38 AM
Agree Big Tone - Vlossy needs to really step up and do a job on Eddie Betts tomorrow.

Love this kid but this is a big game for him I reckon.

Which is a bit unfair

He's not a natural small defender IMHO, poor list managment

I'm a big fan of voss , we could use two of him
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Chopstix on April 08, 2016, 11:57:02 AM
Betts is not your normal small forward either. Great overhead too.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Jonesracing82 on April 08, 2016, 12:00:49 PM
4th season first round pick. 22yo.

 Has flown under the radar. Taken before Danaher, Jacsch, Kommer

Yet is spruiked as a future captain.

Ellis is afforded less scrutiny.

Time to deliver.
he's a better Player than all of these 3....
Enough said.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Chuck17 on April 08, 2016, 01:13:46 PM
Agree Big Tone - Vlossy needs to really step up and do a job on Eddie Betts tomorrow.

Love this kid but this is a big game for him I reckon.

Which is a bit unfair

He's not a natural small defender IMHO, poor list managment

I'm a big fan of voss , we could use two of him

This thread was always a gee up
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Yeahright on April 08, 2016, 03:32:18 PM
But whatever not sure why I'm even bothering
To be honest we're not sure why either. 'Mr Value-Add' strikes again  ::)
I think he makes a valid point about Daniher Dooks. Why mention Daniher at all? We were never going to get him as he was a F/S pick up.

I'm not too worried about Flossy. He plays his role down back. I agree he needs to be challenged more and play in the guts though.

 :clapping I knew most people would get it but Dooks proved why I questioned why I even bothered. Hates to be called out does Dooks.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Stalin on April 08, 2016, 03:33:08 PM
Agree Big Tone - Vlossy needs to really step up and do a job on Eddie Betts tomorrow.

Love this kid but this is a big game for him I reckon.

Which is a bit unfair

He's not a natural small defender IMHO, poor list managment

I'm a big fan of voss , we could use two of him

This thread was always a gee up

There have been some anti-Vlastuin vibes around for a while

bit silly imho
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: 🏅Dooks on April 08, 2016, 04:26:44 PM
But whatever not sure why I'm even bothering
To be honest we're not sure why either. 'Mr Value-Add' strikes again  ::)
I think he makes a valid point about Daniher Dooks. Why mention Daniher at all? We were never going to get him as he was a F/S pick up.

I'm not too worried about Flossy. He plays his role down back. I agree he needs to be challenged more and play in the guts though.

 :clapping I knew most people would get it but Dooks proved why I questioned why I even bothered. Hates to be called out does Dooks.

 :lol back to back value add

It's not just about who we could have taken but comparing who was taken where.

Daniher was rated as a first rounder as was Vlastuin, yet one of the two is shaping up to be a star whilst Vlastuin is mediocre. 

I expect a cracking game from him tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 08, 2016, 05:07:01 PM
But whatever not sure why I'm even bothering
To be honest we're not sure why either. 'Mr Value-Add' strikes again  ::)
I think he makes a valid point about Daniher Dooks. Why mention Daniher at all? We were never going to get him as he was a F/S pick up.

I'm not too worried about Flossy. He plays his role down back. I agree he needs to be challenged more and play in the guts though.

 :clapping I knew most people would get it but Dooks proved why I questioned why I even bothered. Hates to be called out does Dooks.

 :lol back to back value add

It's not just about who we could have taken but comparing who was taken where.

Daniher was rated as a first rounder as was Vlastuin, yet one of the two is shaping up to be a star whilst Vlastuin is mediocre. 

I expect a cracking game from him tomorrow.
Most experts said that Daniher would have been number 1 pick. Nobody had Vlastuin even top 5. Vlastuin is not mediocre. Don't you watch the football regularly? He had some fantastic games last year. I dare say he has had more good games than Daniher so far but that is expected because KPFs take longer to develop.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: 🏅Dooks on April 08, 2016, 05:24:14 PM
But whatever not sure why I'm even bothering
To be honest we're not sure why either. 'Mr Value-Add' strikes again  ::)
I think he makes a valid point about Daniher Dooks. Why mention Daniher at all? We were never going to get him as he was a F/S pick up.

I'm not too worried about Flossy. He plays his role down back. I agree he needs to be challenged more and play in the guts though.

 :clapping I knew most people would get it but Dooks proved why I questioned why I even bothered. Hates to be called out does Dooks.

 :lol back to back value add

It's not just about who we could have taken but comparing who was taken where.

Daniher was rated as a first rounder as was Vlastuin, yet one of the two is shaping up to be a star whilst Vlastuin is mediocre. 

I expect a cracking game from him tomorrow.
Most experts said that Daniher would have been number 1 pick. Nobody had Vlastuin even top 5. Vlastuin is not mediocre. Don't you watch the football regularly? He had some fantastic games last year. I dare say he has had more good games than Daniher so far but that is expected because KPFs take longer to develop.
Good god.  :huh

So if you had the choice between them now you'd have Vlastuin over Daniher then?
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 08, 2016, 05:31:58 PM
Firstly I don't have that choice.
Secondly, did you actually read what I wrote? I said Daniher was rated as number 1 but he was a F/S so he slid to the bombers. I also said players like him take longer to develop and so I would have expected him to come on more slowly than Vlastuin.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: 🏅Dooks on April 08, 2016, 05:36:36 PM
Firstly I don't have that choice.
Secondly, did you actually read what I wrote? I said Daniher was rated as number 1 but he was a F/S so he slid to the bombers. I also said players like him take longer to develop and so I would have expected him to come on more slowly than Vlastuin.

It's an easily answerable hypothetical.

I'll take that as a no you'd prefer Daniher unless you correct me that it's a yes you'd prefer Vlastuin. 

What's your decision?

Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Diocletian on April 08, 2016, 05:39:37 PM
I wanted Grundy at the time....
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 08, 2016, 05:49:29 PM
I wanted Grundy at the time....

Which is a direct comparison - unlike a father/son pick.....
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: (•))(©™ on April 08, 2016, 06:35:47 PM
Without any past anger toward Nick for anything, I believe it's time he stepped up.
Having said that, I agree with chucking him in the middle and allowing more for some of his natural
game to transpire. Again, it's a dimmer thing.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 08, 2016, 06:36:58 PM
Firstly I don't have that choice.
Secondly, did you actually read what I wrote? I said Daniher was rated as number 1 but he was a F/S so he slid to the bombers. I also said players like him take longer to develop and so I would have expected him to come on more slowly than Vlastuin.

It's an easily answerable hypothetical.

I'll take that as a no you'd prefer Daniher unless you correct me that it's a yes you'd prefer Vlastuin. 

What's your decision?
Daniher. Happy with Vlastuin though. Maybe our next captain.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: 🏅Dooks on April 08, 2016, 06:42:07 PM
Firstly I don't have that choice.
Secondly, did you actually read what I wrote? I said Daniher was rated as number 1 but he was a F/S so he slid to the bombers. I also said players like him take longer to develop and so I would have expected him to come on more slowly than Vlastuin.

It's an easily answerable hypothetical.

I'll take that as a no you'd prefer Daniher unless you correct me that it's a yes you'd prefer Vlastuin. 

What's your decision?
Daniher. Happy with Vlastuin though. Maybe our next captain.

 Happy but you'd trade him. And trade a future captain. Right.OK. 
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: tony_montana on April 08, 2016, 07:27:12 PM
Kids got mettle, don't doubt his courage and toughness - but Im one of the few that thinks his performances need to get better, dont think he does enough and think hes capable of a lot more.

Interesting on all the comments about unleashing him into the midfield so he can play his natural game. Is he a natural midfielder? He played HB and BP in his final tac cup season.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: big tone on April 08, 2016, 08:12:38 PM
Firstly I don't have that choice.
Secondly, did you actually read what I wrote? I said Daniher was rated as number 1 but he was a F/S so he slid to the bombers. I also said players like him take longer to develop and so I would have expected him to come on more slowly than Vlastuin.

It's an easily answerable hypothetical.

I'll take that as a no you'd prefer Daniher unless you correct me that it's a yes you'd prefer Vlastuin. 

What's your decision?
Daniher. Happy with Vlastuin though. Maybe our next captain.
If he is to be our next captain, I'd be practicing my set shots at goal if I was him or he is stuffed. Apparently that's how you judge the leadership of your in and under midfield captain.  :whistle :cheers
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Chuck17 on April 08, 2016, 08:37:47 PM
Firstly I don't have that choice.
Secondly, did you actually read what I wrote? I said Daniher was rated as number 1 but he was a F/S so he slid to the bombers. I also said players like him take longer to develop and so I would have expected him to come on more slowly than Vlastuin.

It's an easily answerable hypothetical.

I'll take that as a no you'd prefer Daniher unless you correct me that it's a yes you'd prefer Vlastuin. 

What's your decision?
Daniher. Happy with Vlastuin though. Maybe our next captain.
If he is to be our next captain, I'd be practicing my set shots at goal if I was him or he is stuffed. Apparently that's how you judge the leadership of your in and under midfield captain.  :whistle :cheers

Well said  :clapping
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 08, 2016, 08:38:41 PM
You obviously didn't understand the context of my answer. If I was choosing from the draft that year, I would have picked Daniher, if he was available. I'm not saying I'd trade Vlastuin now. He is a Richmond man now. He is not on my trade table.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: mightytiges on April 09, 2016, 12:34:18 PM
It appears Flossy is stuck in a back-pocket rather than the midfield because we have no other small options back in defence with Morris now on the outer because he isn't up to it.

Flossy actually had two brain-fades last Friday night but only the deliberate one near the end of the game was focussed on by the media. With 30 seconds to go in the 3rd quarter and with us just needing to maintain possession, he kicked across half-back straight to a Collingwood player who ran in and missed. So we went into the 3/4 time huddle five points up instead of six, and that gifted point to the Pies ended up being the final margin.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: WA Tiger on April 09, 2016, 12:53:04 PM
Stand the FFFFF up mate. TODAY!!!!
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Stalin on April 09, 2016, 02:07:36 PM
It appears Flossy is stuck in a back-pocket rather than the midfield because we have no other small options back in defence with Morris now on the outer because he isn't up to it.

Flossy actually had two brain-fades last Friday night but only the deliberate one near the end of the game was focussed on by the media. With 30 seconds to go in the 3rd quarter and with us just needing to maintain possession, he kicked across half-back straight to a Collingwood player who ran in and missed. So we went into the 3/4 time huddle five points up instead of six, and that gifted point to the Pies ended up being the final margin.

Did a lot of good things too

Like that, should of been, game-saving mark on te last line

Vlastuin is a victim of rubbish RFC list managment
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Stalin on April 09, 2016, 02:15:57 PM
Chappy too soft to pick the ball up

Paddle paddle paddle

Ffs
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: 🏅Dooks on April 09, 2016, 03:22:07 PM
4 disposals in 63 minutes of footy. There's your first rounder and future captain
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: WA Tiger on April 09, 2016, 03:23:23 PM
Yep, has learnt too much off Batchelor. Replicating him now.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: The Machine on April 09, 2016, 03:33:28 PM
4 disposals in 63 minutes of footy. There's your first rounder and future captain


I agree. Love the guy but its time he plays midfield.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: tony_montana on April 09, 2016, 03:36:47 PM
What makes people so sure he'll get it in midfield?

Doesn't strike me as a high possession player.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Yeahright on April 10, 2016, 11:19:38 PM
I wanted Grundy at the time....

Which is a direct comparison - unlike a father/son pick.....

Come on all he could pick was two duds so he had to think of a third whether it was reasonable or not
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 11, 2016, 11:20:18 AM
What makes people so sure he'll get it in midfield?

Doesn't strike me as a high possession player.
That was the knock on him when he was a junior. Just was never a high accumulater.
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Diocletian on April 11, 2016, 01:38:26 PM
Juniors schmuniors.......any coaching & fitness staff worth a pinch of shyte should easily be able develop him into an inside beast...he has all the tools.....
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on April 11, 2016, 03:00:56 PM
Kids got mettle, don't doubt his courage and toughness - but Im one of the few that thinks his performances need to get better, dont think he does enough and think hes capable of a lot more.

Interesting on all the comments about unleashing him into the midfield so he can play his natural game. Is he a natural midfielder? He played HB and BP in his final tac cup season.

He's a mid, or was for a majority of his TAC and junior career. I think he played HB for Vic metro?
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 11, 2016, 03:12:16 PM
Juniors schmuniors.......any coaching & fitness staff worth a pinch of shyte should easily be able develop him into an inside beast...he has all the tools.....
Have you considered the possibility that our coaching and fitness staff aren't worth a pinch of shyte? :snidegrin
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Stalin on April 11, 2016, 05:46:22 PM
Kids got mettle, don't doubt his courage and toughness - but Im one of the few that thinks his performances need to get better, dont think he does enough and think hes capable of a lot more.

Interesting on all the comments about unleashing him into the midfield so he can play his natural game. Is he a natural midfielder? He played HB and BP in his final tac cup season.

He's a mid, or was for a majority of his TAC and junior career. I think he played HB for Vic metro?

 :shh
Title: Re: Time for Vlastuin to show his mettle or cop it
Post by: Diocletian on April 11, 2016, 07:35:35 PM
Juniors schmuniors.......any coaching & fitness staff worth a pinch of shyte should easily be able develop him into an inside beast...he has all the tools.....
Have you considered the possibility that our coaching and fitness staff aren't worth a pinch of shyte? :snidegrin

The thought has crossed my mind, yes....