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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 🏅Dooks on April 21, 2016, 06:45:03 PM
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Why? Not in the right rfc clique?
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Won't do reach arounds.
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Probably hits his targets by foot.
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5 goals at VFL- send in the others
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his rubbish- we got grigg to fill the void
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It's because Tyrone destroyed the eagles last week.....
WAIT!!!!!!!
:help
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Hasn't kicked his 30 goals in 3 weeks yet.... :shh
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Hasn't kicked his 30 goals in 3 weeks yet.... :shh
And hasn't honed his defensive game like Tyrone.......
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Mr Bean, Sideshow Bob, The GirlGriff, Hamspud, Elton Struggled, Charlie Chaplin......
Our recruiting and development in all its glory right there. :clapping
......:help
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his rubbish- we got grigg to fill the void
what does the contents of his rubbish bin have to do with anything?
are you rat boy?
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Mr Bean, Sideshow Bob, The GirlGriff, Hamspud, Elton Struggled, Charlie Chaplin......
Our recruiting and development in all its glory right there. :clapping
......:help
I cut the Bean and Elton a bit of slack. They see their counterparts in the seniors spud it up and continue to get selected. It would be quite deflating as a player trying to break into the senior team. Why would you bust a gut when no one notices?
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Cmon. It's all good, the clubs great, brilliant selections. Totally warranted that all the players not performing are left in. Club is in great shape.... :lol
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This guy badly needs to learn to ruck and body on body work. We need a ruck and it'd give him games.
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I would have thought Macrae's summary of his last 2 games sort of gave it away myself :rollin
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I would have thought Macrae's summary of his last 2 games sort of gave it away myself :rollin
What did he say WP?
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I would have thought Macrae's summary of his last 2 games sort of gave it away myself :rollin
What did he say WP?
Liam McBean
Five goals, 17 disposals, eight marks, two contested marks
Liam’s best game this season and we’re really pleased that he’s coming at the ball instead of waiting for the ball to come to him. His work-rate really increased this week.
http://m.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-04-19/the-vfl-report-round-2
Liam McBean
Two goals, five disposals, three contested possessions
He’s struggling a little bit with his form, we’re really asking him to get to more contests. He started the game on fire, with two goals against the breeze which really set us up for the day, but struggled to have an impact for the rest of the day.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-04-12/the-vfl-report-round-1
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Danke....But, it doesn't alter the fact that he is held to higher standards than the 'skipping girl'....
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We shouldn't even be needing him is the truth.
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Stability
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Elton management over his carrer has too been Crap
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Soft weak doesn't chase won't hit packs, saw it all myself. If you're all pinning your hopes on him God help us!
The whole development bar a handful should be offloaded and start again, seriously couldn't Ne any worse :banghead
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Had only 4 disposals on the weekend.
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Guess what. Chaplin had 8 the week before
How many goal kicking medals has Chappy won?
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His fault the park footballers and recycled hacks that constitute our VFL midfield can't win the ball.....apparently up to a 200cm forward to run into the middle and win the ball himself.....21 year-old has to triple 26 year-old Vickery's work rate & defensive pressure in order to displace him....(maybe he should just phone the police as that's technically the only way you can triple zero....)
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Soft weak doesn't chase won't hit packs, saw it all myself. If you're all pinning your hopes on him God help us!
The whole development bar a handful should be offloaded and start again, seriously couldn't Ne any worse :banghead
Thought you were talking about Vickery then saw the title of the thread.
So what is there to lose if we drop Vickery and give McBean a few games.Simple answer is absolutely nothing in fact there is a lot to be gained if McBean plays well at the level.
I still think this bloke should have been developed as a kpd.
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Soft weak doesn't chase won't hit packs, saw it all myself. If you're all pinning your hopes on him God help us!
The whole development bar a handful should be offloaded and start again, seriously couldn't Ne any worse :banghead
Thought you were talking about Vickery then saw the title of the thread.
So what is there to lose if we drop Vickery and give McBean a few games.Simple answer is absolutely nothing in fact there is a lot to be gained if McBean plays well at the level.
I still think this bloke should have been developed as a kpd.
Play him in the fwd line and give him a real go for a block of 6 games.
If no good, sayonara
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Soft weak doesn't chase won't hit packs, saw it all myself. If you're all pinning your hopes on him God help us!
The whole development bar a handful should be offloaded and start again, seriously couldn't Ne any worse :banghead
Thought you were talking about Vickery then saw the title of the thread.
So what is there to lose if we drop Vickery and give McBean a few games.Simple answer is absolutely nothing in fact there is a lot to be gained if McBean plays well at the level.
I still think this bloke should have been developed as a kpd.
After seeing McBean live several time this year and previous, he doesn't deserve the opportunity. His work rate is behind Vickery & Griffiths believe or not. In saying that, he should be afforded senior games so we can truly make an assessment on his future. He could turn out to be a player that thrives in the seniors but has mixed form in the lower level. We simply don't know.......
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Soft weak doesn't chase won't hit packs, saw it all myself. If you're all pinning your hopes on him God help us!
The whole development bar a handful should be offloaded and start again, seriously couldn't Ne any worse :banghead
Thought you were talking about Vickery then saw the title of the thread.
So what is there to lose if we drop Vickery and give McBean a few games.Simple answer is absolutely nothing in fact there is a lot to be gained if McBean plays well at the level.
I still think this bloke should have been developed as a kpd.
After seeing McBean live several time this year and previous, he doesn't deserve the opportunity. His work rate is behind Vickery & Griffiths believe or not. In saying that, he should be afforded senior games so we can truly make an assessment on his future. He could turn out to be a player that thrives in the seniors but has mixed form in the lower level. We simply don't know.......
Richmond are equal 2nd last in the coaches 7th year
McBean deserves a chance on the amount of goals he's kicked since he was drafted
Not on his work rate this season
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Anyone who gives Morris Grigg and Hamspud a fair run at it, should also offer McBean the same opportunities
I've seen McBean do more than those 3 have on 1 game.
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I know McBean is a forward
Yet id rather him play in defence for the senior side
Than forward in a crap Vfl team
More so astbury should not be dropped when Chaplin is still being selected / rance is suspended / grimes is hurt
Disgraceful
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I know McBean is a forward
Yet id rather him play in defence for the senior side
Than forward in a crap Vfl team
More so astbury should not be dropped when Chaplin is still being selected / rance is suspended / grimes is hurt
Disgraceful
What is disgraceful is a club aiming for top 4 with such shallow kpd stocks.Only at richmond would this happen.
Personally i dont know why McBean was automatically pencilled in as a fwd. Or why he has not been tried in defence. I will say it again it was as a kpd in his last junior year that got him recruited in the first place. With Griffiths and Vickery the exact same type of player and perform the exact roles who are both getting games in front of him surely common sense said we at the least have a look at what he can do down back given the shotage of kpds.The stupidity never ends.
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It's ongoing
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It's ongoing
And it's everywhere.
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It's like gas warfare in WW1
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Just farted.
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I know McBean is a forward
Yet id rather him play in defence for the senior side
Than forward in a crap Vfl team
More so astbury should not be dropped when Chaplin is still being selected / rance is suspended / grimes is hurt
Disgraceful
What is disgraceful is a club aiming for top 4 with such shallow kpd stocks.Only at richmond would this happen.
Personally i dont know why McBean was automatically pencilled in as a fwd. Or why he has not been tried in defence. I will say it again it was as a kpd in his last junior year that got him recruited in the first place. With Griffiths and Vickery the exact same type of player and perform the exact roles who are both getting games in front of him surely common sense said we at the least have a look at what he can do down back given the shotage of kpds.The stupidity never ends.
people bang on about his lack of contested marking
seems to me to have many attributes for a key defender
if was playing behind the ball, his lack of work rate wouldnt be an issue as itd be kicked to him a lot
chaplin is a amazingly bad option
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I hope I'm wrong but I've got no expectations for McBean. I suspect he is another dud pickup and another one of FJ special picks.
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83.
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Yeah let's just keep playing Mr. Twelve point turnaround, Ty "bludgin' out the back" Vickery and give Big Lump Benny the great non-contributer another 57 chances to prove he's useless instead.
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Yeah let's just keep playing Mr. Twelve point turnaround, Ty "bludgin' out the back" Vickery and give Big Lump Benny the great non-contributer another 57 chances to prove he's useless instead.
But he can kick 60 meters
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I hope I'm wrong but I've got no expectations for McBean. I suspect he is another dud pickup and another one of FJ special picks.
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83.
probably - the frustrating thing is we dont know bc hes not even given a chance to see if hes got the goods or not
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Hawthorn supporter on BF reckons he heard on Triple M yesterday that he's apparently asked his manager to start talking to other clubs.
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Hawthorn supporter on BF reckons he heard on Triple M yesterday that he's apparently asked his manager to start talking to other clubs.
He started after Round 1
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In the grand scheme of the universe
At least Chaplin is getting game time
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Hawthorn supporter on BF reckons he heard on Triple M yesterday that he's apparently asked his manager to start talking to other clubs.
He started after Round 1
Dont blame him, i hope he becomes a superstar at another club.
Our treatment of him has been disgraceful.
Same for Lennon.
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Hawthorn supporter on BF reckons he heard on Triple M yesterday that he's apparently asked his manager to start talking to other clubs.
He started after Round 1
Dont blame him, i hope he becomes a superstar at another club.
Our treatment of him has been disgraceful.
Same for Lennon.
+1
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Trade value right now is as high as it'll go. Perfect time to offload him :clapping
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Yeah and then we can hang on to perennial bludgers Vickery & Griffiths who are older and have no improvement left in them - with the added bonus of the latter also being injury prone. :clapping
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Nah bugger them too
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What would we get for Bean ya reckon?
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What would we get for Bean ya reckon?
Possible 3rd rounder
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What would we get for Bean ya reckon?
Possible 3rd rounder
Late 3rd rounder at best
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What would we get for Bean ya reckon?
Possible 3rd rounder
Late 3rd rounder at best
That's all we'll get from the Hawks anyway…. :shh
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2nd rounder
Bidding war would erupt
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What would we get for Bean ya reckon?
Possible 3rd rounder
Late 3rd rounder at best
That's all we'll get from the Hawks anyway…. :shh
Hawks, they delisted Grimley so why would they want Beany ?
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What would we get for Bean ya reckon?
Possible 3rd rounder
Late 3rd rounder at best
That's all we'll get from the Hawks anyway…. :shh
Hawks, they delisted Grimley so why would they want Beany ?
Would kick a few goals at box hill
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I know a selector/talent scout from a top club and the hot goss on Liam:
Hawthorn, west coast, bulldogs and geelong all want him... suffer RFC you idiots.
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Gee why would all those top clubs want a bloke who's clearly been overtaken by a first year rookie listed player from Sudan? :whistle
By comparison, wonder which clubs want Griffiiths or Vickery? :shh
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Time will tell D man
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What were the defensive pressure stats today?
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Could Bean have done what Griff did tonight?
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Could griff and McBean play in same 22 ?
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Could griff and McBean play in same 22 ?
Actually was thinking the same as I posted. Yes and Vickery is the one on the gun.
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Could griff and McBean play in same 22 ?
Actually was thinking the same as I posted. Yes and Vickery is the one on the gun.
Were you at yesterdays game were you? What are you basing this selection on??? :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle
:sarcasm2
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Could griff and McBean play in same 22 ?
Actually was thinking the same as I posted. Yes and Vickery is the one on the gun.
McBean plays a similar role to Vickery. Reckon he and Griff works structurally at least.
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Well done to c Moore playing well
I wonder if he has another five years ahead of him getting screwed at the selection table
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Could griff and McBean play in same 22 ?
Actually was thinking the same as I posted. Yes and Vickery is the one on the gun.
McBean plays a similar role to Vickery. Reckon he and Griff works structurally at least.
McBean played ruck and key defender in the tac cup
And did well
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"Although McBean went goalless for the night, his ability to continually provide a target and his work rate between the arcs was exceptional as he finished with 16 disposals, ten marks and three inside 50s"
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=24426.45
Putting it out there again, seems to be doing all the right things.
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Those performances will get him a game, not his 3 goal non efforts he usually puts in. But nah he's doing all the right things :lol
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3 goal non-effort perfectly describes Vickery's game on Saturday Night.....which followed on from his zero goal non-effort that kept him in the side.....
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3 goal non-effort perfectly describes Vickery's game on Saturday Night.....which followed on from his zero goal non-effort that kept him in the side.....
Vickery Upside is that if he performs we may get something for him
If we keep Vickery upside is 0, downside massive
McBean upside is that he is virtually unknown by our selectors, I think he is far more versatile than Vickery
If we play McBean upside huge
If we don't play him he will go at the end of this year and we will never know what he is capable of until he is picked up by Sydney/Geelong/NorthFreao etc etc
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Circus fc
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3 goal non-effort perfectly describes Vickery's game on Saturday Night.....which followed on from his zero goal non-effort that kept him in the side.....
Don't why people want to bring Vickery into it every time McBean's laziness is mentioned. Just because Vickery is lazy it doesn't justify McBean also being lazy.
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i suspect that to those people it does
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i suspect that to those people it does
You'd suspect that but surely you wonder why?
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Only on weekends
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i suspect that to those people it does
You'd suspect that but surely you wonder why?
i try not to.
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3 goal non-effort perfectly describes Vickery's game on Saturday Night.....which followed on from his zero goal non-effort that kept him in the side.....
Don't why people want to bring Vickery into it every time McBean's laziness is mentioned. Just because Vickery is lazy it doesn't justify McBean also being lazy.
One's supposedly "lazy" at 21, the other is still lazy at 26....
One has been a benchmark kpf in his league for three years running and has at least three top clubs interested in him, the other is an also-ran, rated by no-one in his league and derided by many in football circles......
One relies on delivery from park footballers on chopped up mud heaps, the other often gets it served up on a platter by the likes of Deledio, Cotchin, Martin on bowling greens against the second or third defender...
One is expected to kick 5 goals, lay half a dozen tackles and run a half marathon for at least 3 weeks running to even be considered for selection, (pretty much confirmed by people within the club), the other can play like absolute crap and take a nap in the forward 50 for a month and still retain his spot...
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3 goal non-effort perfectly describes Vickery's game on Saturday Night.....which followed on from his zero goal non-effort that kept him in the side.....
Don't why people want to bring Vickery into it every time McBean's laziness is mentioned. Just because Vickery is lazy it doesn't justify McBean also being lazy.
One's supposedly "lazy" at 21, the other is still lazy at 26....
One has been a benchmark kpf in his league for three years running and has at least three top clubs interested in him, the other is an also-ran, rated by no-one in his league and derided by many in football circles......
One relies on delivery from park footballers on chopped up mud heaps, the other often gets it served up on a platter by the likes of Deledio, Cotchin, Martin on bowling greens against the second or third defender...
One is expected to kick 5 goals, lay half a dozen tackles and run a half marathon for at least 3 weeks running to even be considered for selection, (pretty much confirmed by people within the club), the other can play like absolute crap and take a nap in the forward 50 for a month and still retain his spot...
But he isn't one of Hardwick's "superstars"…….. :banghead
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3 goal non-effort perfectly describes Vickery's game on Saturday Night.....which followed on from his zero goal non-effort that kept him in the side.....
Don't why people want to bring Vickery into it every time McBean's laziness is mentioned. Just because Vickery is lazy it doesn't justify McBean also being lazy.
One's supposedly "lazy" at 21, the other is still lazy at 26....
One has been a benchmark kpf in his league for three years running and has at least three top clubs interested in him, the other is an also-ran, rated by no-one in his league and derided by many in football circles......
One relies on delivery from park footballers on chopped up mud heaps, the other often gets it served up on a platter by the likes of Deledio, Cotchin, Martin on bowling greens against the second or third defender...
One is expected to kick 5 goals, lay half a dozen tackles and run a half marathon for at least 3 weeks running to even be considered for selection, (pretty much confirmed by people within the club), the other can play like absolute crap and take a nap in the forward 50 for a month and still retain his spot...
So McBean has been told he's lazy yet he hasn't improved on it but cool, let's bring him in and be stuck with another KPF who's stuffing lazy but never gets dropped for 4 years
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3 goal non-effort perfectly describes Vickery's game on Saturday Night.....which followed on from his zero goal non-effort that kept him in the side.....
Don't why people want to bring Vickery into it every time McBean's laziness is mentioned. Just because Vickery is lazy it doesn't justify McBean also being lazy.
One's supposedly "lazy" at 21, the other is still lazy at 26....
One has been a benchmark kpf in his league for three years running and has at least three top clubs interested in him, the other is an also-ran, rated by no-one in his league and derided by many in football circles......
One relies on delivery from park footballers on chopped up mud heaps, the other often gets it served up on a platter by the likes of Deledio, Cotchin, Martin on bowling greens against the second or third defender...
One is expected to kick 5 goals, lay half a dozen tackles and run a half marathon for at least 3 weeks running to even be considered for selection, (pretty much confirmed by people within the club), the other can play like absolute crap and take a nap in the forward 50 for a month and still retain his spot...
So McBean has been told he's lazy yet he hasn't improved on it but cool, let's bring him in and be stuck with another KPF who's stuffing lazy but never gets dropped for 4 years
He will been very non lazy at hawthorn or Sydney
I'm sure they will thank Dimma for teachin McBean hardwork
Meanwhile we will get another year of Tyrone cracking it cause his team mate didn't kick it 70 Meters to him and Chaplin pointing frantically.
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Hawthorn, Footscray, West Coast & Geelong are all interested in McBean......more than who are interested in Vickery - who's a restricted free agent.....wonder why? :whistle
3 goal non-effort perfectly describes Vickery's game on Saturday Night.....which followed on from his zero goal non-effort that kept him in the side.....
Don't why people want to bring Vickery into it every time McBean's laziness is mentioned. Just because Vickery is lazy it doesn't justify McBean also being lazy.
One's supposedly "lazy" at 21, the other is still lazy at 26....
One has been a benchmark kpf in his league for three years running and has at least three top clubs interested in him, the other is an also-ran, rated by no-one in his league and derided by many in football circles......
One relies on delivery from park footballers on chopped up mud heaps, the other often gets it served up on a platter by the likes of Deledio, Cotchin, Martin on bowling greens against the second or third defender...
One is expected to kick 5 goals, lay half a dozen tackles and run a half marathon for at least 3 weeks running to even be considered for selection, (pretty much confirmed by people within the club), the other can play like absolute crap and take a nap in the forward 50 for a month and still retain his spot...
So McBean has been told he's lazy yet he hasn't improved on it but cool, let's bring him in and be stuck with another KPF who's stuffing lazy but never gets dropped for 4 years
We already know what Vickery's going to serve up at AFL level and it's highly unlikely to improve. I've heard many differing views on McBean's two senior appearances, yet I haven't heard anyone say he bludged...might've looked lost early in the first match but it wasn't because he was having a smoko .... he certainly didn't hide with Dustin Fletcher on his arse in the second match...players can lift their work rate on the bigger stage with better players around them....and as someone who watched nearly all of his matches in his first three seasons, I've still seen him put more effort into games on more occasions in those three seasons than I've seen from Vickery at any level in eight seasons.
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My point is, you can argue all day who's lazier but the fact you have to defend someones lazy performance by saying Vickery is just as lazy/lazier pretty much sums up why neither should get a game.
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why not just give him a go? We've seen all there is to see from sideshow, give mcbean a run and lets see if hes got what it takes
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why not just give him a go? We've seen all there is to see from sideshow, give mcbean a run and lets see if hes got what it takes
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/998486f7d0065711c3d2e7ce3069eb84?width=700)
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My point is, you can argue all day who's lazier but the fact you have to defend someones lazy performance by saying Vickery is just as lazy/lazier pretty much sums up why neither should get a game.
I personally think the laziness has been massively exaggerated, though I haven't been able to watch any VFL so far this year, particularly for a KPF in a bottom 4 side, whose midfield is pathetic and the ball is never in his half for long periods -yet still over three years no forward in the VFL has kicked more goals than him. I've seen enough of him to tell me he has what it takes to play AFL and I think he'll be a far better player than Vickery & Griffiths (not hard I know) in fact I think he already is better than Vickery.... and considering McBean is the only other KPF currently available for senior selection who else replaces Vickery? Or should we continue to just reward Vickery by default? Could play Lennon I guess, but he's still out with concussion and Half-Step's in love with the three-tall set-up anyway.
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cept we currently are mainly using a two tall forward setup.
The distinct impression I get is that some of you are prepared to overlook bad traits as long as the player in question has natural talent.
Yet funnily enough, vickery has talent but lets himself down with work rate and intensity, which means he never gets the best of himself so the talent is wasted.
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No its not that - we all know Ty has a lot of natural talent
Some people simply feel there are clear double standards going on which is unfair, its simple as that.
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so what message does it send if you're telling a player he needs to improve his workrate and then you reward him with a senior selection despite not improving on that?
on one hand people spew on vickery because he is lazy and plays without intensity, yet scream blue murder because he isnt being replaced with a bloke, who from many accounts this season, has exactly the same issue.
we just end up with the same poo in a different bucket.
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so what message does it send if you're telling a player he needs to improve his workrate and then you reward him with a senior selection despite not improving on that?
on one hand people spew on vickery because he is lazy and plays without intensity, yet scream blue murder because he isnt being replaced with a bloke, who from many accounts this season, has exactly the same issue.
we just end up with the same poo in a different bucket.
Difficult situation as we reward Tyrone too. Yet he is surrounded by better players.
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cept we currently are mainly using a two tall forward setup.
Set-up was he wrong term.I meant playing three tall forwards in the side on top of the specialist ruck, though we usually have a three tall forward line when they're all on the ground at once with Hamspud.
The distinct impression I get is that some of you are prepared to overlook bad traits as long as the player in question has natural talent.
Yet funnily enough, vickery has talent but lets himself down with work rate and intensity, which means he never gets the best of himself so the talent is wasted.
As I said, I think McBean's bad traits are overstated. We should at least be having a look at him.
I don't think Vickery is a particularly talented or natural forward, he's real talent in my eyes is on -ball and that's when he plays his best football (see the Sydney match last year) - great in traffic for his size and demonstrates an agilty we rarely see from him up forward, like a classic see ball get ball mid who plays better when doesn't have to think or worry about his positioning or almost like Stynes minus the ruck work....unfortunately he's pee poor ruckman and it's probably not feasible to play him purely as a 200cm midfielder or even on the wing like Richo as lacks the freakish aerobic capacity that Richo had.
The only other way would to be play him in the ruck, concede the hit outs and try and shark the opposition hit outs....it's often said it's easier to rove when you know your either going to win all the hit -outs or lose them all, it's when it's 50-50 that's it's hardest.....at the very least, it would give us more agilty and "pace" around the ground with Vickery, Griffiths, Riewoldt & McBean than Vickery, Griffiths, Riewoldt & Hamspud.
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We overthink Ty, I'm not sure he's that good.
It's almost like that episode of Seinfeld where Kramer is accidentally asked to a meeting and ends up "working" for the company.
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so what message does it send if you're telling a player he needs to improve his workrate and then you reward him with a senior selection despite not improving on that?
on one hand people spew on vickery because he is lazy and plays without intensity, yet scream blue murder because he isnt being replaced with a bloke, who from many accounts this season, has exactly the same issue.
we just end up with the same poo in a different bucket.
probably the same message being sent to Ty? wh is it ok for him to be rewarded for 7 years? asking for 5-6 weeks is not asking too much imo
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Bad habits are already instilled in Ty. I also think despite him being lazy he adds a bit of structure and although he's no where good enough of a mark for a KPF (he probably is actually - just doesn't try it enough) he at least is still a threat to take one. Not sure McBean is to be honest, and I don't think he's athleticism will let him kick as many goals in the AFL as he gets away with in the VFL
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maybe, but we'll never know if we dont try it