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VFL Round 3
Frankston (0-2, 15th) vs Richmond (1-1, 6th)
Saturday, 23rd April @ Frankston Oval
Start time: 2:00 PM
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8 point game
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Richmond VFL squad
B: 65. R Gale 43. T Elton 36. C Moore
HB: 51. S Darley 35. N Broad 46. J Castagna
C: 44. A Marcon 21. J Townsend 54. J Ballard
HF: 45. J Short 40. D Butler 31. O Markov
F: 41. M Chol 34. L McBean 24. B Griffiths
R: 47. I Soldo 73. T Couch 15. A Moore
Int: 25. T Chaplin, 28. T Hunt, 58. J Aarts, 74. T Kruse, 38. S Morris, 11. J Batchelor, 52. A Scott, 26. A Miles, 67. L Conca, 80. A Forato, 71. N Mellington, 7. B Lennon
23P: 64. T Silvestro
http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-118-0-0-0&sID=325269&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=43031965
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I'm heading up for this game, looking forward to seeing who will replace Hunt, Chaplin and Grigg next week.
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I'm heading up for this game, looking forward to seeing who will replace Hunt, Chaplin and Grigg next week.
Moore, Townsend and Griffiths :help
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Looking forward to seeing Jacob Ballard play
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....and showing Moore & Townsend up.... :shh
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I'm heading up for this game, looking forward to seeing who will replace Hunt, Chaplin and Grigg next week.
Me too. Going to watch McBean closely ;D
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Oh goody, I cant wait to read the report form one of the dead set experts of the game... :snidegrin :snidegrin
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Oh goody, I cant wait to read the report form one of the dead set experts of the game... :snidegrin :snidegrin
My 5 year old would post more mature stuff than that ::)
Is anyone aware of coverage (radio or streaming) for this game?
I can't make it but would be interested to see how George, McBean & Short perform.
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Look forward to your reports guys.
I think it is great that we have posters willing to go to Frankston to watch our VFL team and give their unique perspective on the performance. :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Just wondering......what if,by chance, we make the granny in the VFL? Would Etihad be able to handle the crowd?
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Oh goody, I cant wait to read the report form one of the dead set experts of the game... :snidegrin :snidegrin
Hey thanks for reminding me, you still haven't answered how much of the VFL game you watched? You seem to have formed a strong opinion about Batch's game so it'll be good to know how much of it you watched. Also, can you elaborate on how to properly kick the ball? Do you look at the ball or not? I need to know for when I watch this foreign game I have no clue about
Oh, and I never said I'll be giving a report ;)
I think it is great that we have posters willing to go to Frankston
Yeah it takes some commitment. Definitely will be leaving my valuables at home.
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Yep I will be watching this game with keen interest. Last year I watched young Ellis play a ripper.......who will it be this year?
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Just wondering......what if,by chance, we make the granny in the VFL? Would Etihad be able to handle the crowd?
Depends if it conflicts with our finals game :shh
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Any coverage of this match? Radio? Website?
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Any coverage of this match? Radio? Website?
Stay tuned for rolling coverage on oneeyed.com
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Any coverage of this match? Radio? Website?
Stay tuned for rolling coverage on oneeyed.com
Yesssss Big Loui Tufga :cheers
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Any coverage of this match? Radio? Website?
Stay tuned for rolling coverage on oneeyed.com
:cheers
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Just got to Frankston oval, Perfect conditions for footy.
Hardly a breath of wind!
Get excited!!!
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1 minute in tigers rush the ball forward goal kicked by couch.
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Strong grab by Griffiths inside 50 (second good mark) puts it straight through!
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Balls been bobbling around in our forward line for a few minutes, OOF by Frankston trying to clear the ball results in a kick in marked by soldo at the top of the square.
Finishes it off with a goal.
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Great play from Griffiths to Moore, long kick to the square great contested mark by Chol.
Kicks goal!
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:clapping
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Frankston take it into there forward line for only the 3rd time, long kick to the square for a rushed behind. Richmond dominating.
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Big contested mark on the 50 by Elton, kicks it long to the square marked by McBean!
Goals!!
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Where's Vlaustin playing? Is he in the guts?
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Short runs to far coming out of frankstons 50.
Argues with up and gives up a 50 meter penalty. Goal Frankston
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Where's Vlaustin playing? Is he in the guts?
Not playing from what I can see.
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Games slowed down heaps, great passage of play from the wing that ended up with Chol running into an open goal (2 bounces) and kicks a torp into the bay!!! (Well nearly)
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Thanks for the updates :thumbsup
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Quarter time.
Richmond dominated, Frankston only had 6 inside 50's.
rigers look very dangerous with such a tall forward line, Chol, Griffiths and McBean all have good games both inside 50 and up the ground.
Elton solid down back and Luke Conca seems to be the standout in the midfield.
If we can keep up momentum and energy we should win this by 100 points.
A good opportunity for either McBean, Griffths or Chol to kick a good bag.
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Frankston kick the first of the second quarter after a couple of errors that should have been a goal for us.
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Frankston with a point after a 50 meter penelty.
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2 Rushed behinds to the Tigers in the last 2 minutes.
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Great goal to Scott from the Tigers after some good contested work on the 50 by Griffiths and McBean.
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Frankston goal after advantage was paid from a ruck infringement inside there 50
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Exciting times for the young Tiges.
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Rushed shot at goal for Frankston results in a point, kick out comes straight back on for another rushed behind.
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Frankston really upping there game now, getting physical in most contests, Tigers not loving the contact.
A long goal from outside the 50 for another goal to Frankston.
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Exciting times for the young Tiges.
:huh
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Big grab by Chol 25 out, puts it straight through!
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Chol with 3 goals?
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Big grab again by Griffiths outside 50, plays on, kick goes long to butler in the squar, big mark runs into open goal.
Frankston responds with fast movement straight out of the square 3 kicks and a goal to them as well.
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Chol with 3 goals?
Yep :thumbsup
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Chol just missed another huge contested mark 5 v 1
Crumbed by Scott for a point, ball comes out but then straight back in for anither point.
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Frankston player smashed Lennon on the boundary, Lennon down and looks sore. Frankston player reported.
Lennon up and about but knows he's been hit.
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Late point to Frankston right on the Siren.
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Half Time....
Frankston reply upped the anti that quarter but the Tigers weathered the storm.
Marvin lifted through the midfield and was clearly our best that quarter.
McBean was quiet compared to the first but spent time on the bench.
Griffiths is huge and is marking everything.
Most of the Senior listed players are having solid games, Soldo starting to look right at home in the ruck.
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Frankston player smashed Lennon on the boundary, Lennon down and looks sore. Frankston player reported.
Lennon up and about but knows he's been hit.
Did anyone remonstrate with the offendor?
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Frankston player smashed Lennon on the boundary, Lennon down and looks sore. Frankston player reported.
Lennon up and about but knows he's been hit.
Did anyone remonstrate with the offendor?
Butler flew the flag for a moment but it wasn't that exciting.
Lennon haven't come out after Half Time.
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Richmond VFL @RichmondVFL
Dolphins turned up the heat in the second term and stifled our running game. All set for a tough and gruelling final half. #gotiges #PJVFL
>:(
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Very slow start to the quarter, both teams battling hard.
Chol just killed a guy in a tackle, he is great to watch!!
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Great team goal again by the Tigers, Griffiths, McBean and butler all involved, Scott kicks his second.
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Frankston player smashed Lennon on the boundary, Lennon down and looks sore. Frankston player reported.
Lennon up and about but knows he's been hit.
Did anyone remonstrate with the offendor?
Butler flew the flag for a moment but it wasn't that exciting.
Lennon haven't come out after Half Time.
at least someone did :thumbsup
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Chol roves beautifully off the pack, snaps from 35 touched just on the line.
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Frankston finally find some space and run the ball from defensive 50 into goal.
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Thanks Luigi, this is sensational.
Chol having an impact!
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Frankston player smashed Lennon on the boundary, Lennon down and looks sore. Frankston player reported.
Lennon up and about but knows he's been hit.
Did anyone remonstrate with the offendor?
Butler flew the flag for a moment but it wasn't that exciting.
Lennon haven't come out after Half Time.
Maybe only playing a half in case he has to play tomorrow.....
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Or structure starting to look shakey, easy transition again for Frankston, mark inside 50 but shanks the kick for a point.
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Frankston player smashed Lennon on the boundary, Lennon down and looks sore. Frankston player reported.
Lennon up and about but knows he's been hit.
Did anyone remonstrate with the offendor?
Butler flew the flag for a moment but it wasn't that exciting.
Lennon haven't come out after Half Time.
Maybe only playing a half in case he has to play tomorrow.....
Looked very sore.
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Another mark to Frankston inside 50, we can't get it past the center at the moment.
Goal from set shot 35 out.
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Chol roves beautifully off the pack, snaps from 35 touched just on the line.
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Is there anything this man can't do?? :shh
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Elton been off for 10 minutes with what looks like a hand injury, Frankston takes another mark inside 50 for a point.
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Our first inside 50 for what feels like forever.
McBean soccers off the pack for a behind.
Frankston go coast to coast from the kick in for a goal.
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We have stopped....
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Frankston again mark inside 50, long kick for a rushed point.
Elton back on
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16 AFL listed players that have gone to crap,as soon as a bunch of amateurs turn up the heat.
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Another easy mark inside 50 to Frankston, it's all going to Hell
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We just can't get it near our forward line!
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Frankston's annual win :banghead
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Siren for 3 quarter time.
We literally just stopped that quarter, just couldn't win the contested ball.
Marcon seems to have a heavy tag now, Moore is hopeless and when Elton went off the floodgates opened for Frankston.
Only positive for that quarter was Chol, he just makes things happen whenever the ball is near him! His tackling is best afield.
We really need to win the ball out of the center this quarter if we have any hope of holding our slim lead.
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Frankston straight out of the center for another mark inside 50.
Straight through from 40 meters out.
Frankston hit the front.
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Another mark inside 50 from the center bounce, Frankston shot from the boundary 46 out for a point.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol
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Poor defensive play again by Richmond!
Soccer of the ground for another goal to Frankston.
We just can't get it past the center.
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Plop plop plop
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I'm here, the Richmond way my rsole
Frankston lost 24 games in a row lmfao
Que circus tunes
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Frankston just playing with us now, another rushed behind, followed by a poo kick out which came straight back in for a goal.
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Finally some decent play by the Tigers, a chain of handballs end up with Chol who kicks straigh from 30.
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Short lived, Frankston mark inside 50 again from the center bounce.
Puts it through from 30 out slight angle.
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Can't win without superstar Morris and his leadership missing!..............................need Barry Hall to smack some of these clowns. They are clearly taking the pee!
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Games gone into lock down, very congested, no movement.
Rushed behind to us.
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We are pee weak.
Chol's only blemish, just stood there and let hi man mark the ball uncontested, went straight down there end for a goal.
Another goal to Frankston
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Point to Frankston, can't even talk about how they got it and how lucky we were it wasn't a goal.
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Massive errors now by richmonds backs, Frankston shooting for goal again from 50 for a point.
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Ffs :banghead
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Sack Hardwick for leaving at 3/4 time! ;D
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Late goal to the Tigers, it's all to late now though...
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Elton put a big late hit on a Frankston player marking, clearly frustrated.
Free to Frankston for a point.
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Another two point to Frankston...
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Quarter time.
Richmond dominated, Frankston only had 6 inside 50's.
rigers look very dangerous with such a tall forward line, Chol, Griffiths and McBean all have good games both inside 50 and up the ground.
Elton solid down back and Luke Conca seems to be the standout in the midfield.
If we can keep up momentum and energy we should win this by 100 points.
A good opportunity for either McBean, Griffths or Chol to kick a good bag.
Breeding them tough at the Punt Road Stability Centre, heck even Franga knows how to crack an egg. :lol :rollin :lol
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Scott gets his 3rd for the Tigers.
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It's the quarter that will never end!!
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It's all over.
Frankston celebrating like they just won the Grand Final.
I'll put up a full report later tonight.
Cheers
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Thanks for your effort, which is more than I can say for.........
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So at one stage we were leading 30 - 1 ......and lost .
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Getting beat by Frankston is a blight on the club & the Richmond listed players don't take their football careers serious enough. This is a serious matter for the club. l would not give any of them players a chance to play senior football until the take their football serious. Shameful to lose to a VFL club like Frankston
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Good stuff LT much appreciated
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Thanks for the report from the game Loui Tufga. greatly appreciated :thumbsup
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Yes, well done Loui. Must be painful trying to watch and enjoy the game as well as posting on here. Good on you.
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Yes, this is the last sign of the end.
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McRae kept saying the Richmond way, well gues what it doesn't work.
At least choco tells em they're peeweak
I was kinda bullish about tomorrow, not now
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so anyway wasnt mcrae supposed to be a senior coach in waiting cause he killed it at the pies.
I have news for you his rubbish. He was poo when he was at our club under wallace and not much has changed.
He was at the pies for 1 year when they won a flag and tell me how did they go from that year under his leadership? :lol
He must have mates still at the club to get his old job back.
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Who saw that commin eh ??
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Positives chol, rest of em can ggaf
I saw why McBean doesn't get a game weak as pee lazy idiot
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Who saw that commin eh ??
na not me. Thought they would smash franga by 150. Big surprise boss. Call in the illumunati to investigate.
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Thanks Loui for the effort
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Dermie once said that the sides he played for knew that when they applied physical pressure to Richmond they would always crack. Since 1980 this has been the case.
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Thanks Loui for the effort
Yes agree thanks. More effort than the team!!
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I went and had a look today too.
One thing is for sure, it doesn't matter who coaches this side they have no hope. Same stupid set ups and same stupid game plan.
The most disturbing thing about today was realizing we have absolutely no AFL listed genuine mids coming through that played today.
Too many flankers, wingmen and small forwards.
Our drafting has been putrid.
We couldn't win a centre clearance in either grade at the minute. And we cannot get the footy out of our backline, which makes winning games extremely difficult.
Setting up a small as a lose man in our backline doesn't work. We need guys that can influence the contest in the air as well as take intercept marks.
Also like in our AFL side we set up our forwardline at least one player short and no one isolated. Add that to no centre clearances and no quick rebound from our backline and it makes it almost impossible for us to kick a winning score.
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Thanks, any positives at all? Even small ones will do .
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Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Frankston 1.1 5.5 9.8 14.15 (99)
Richmond 6.0 9.4 10.7 13.8 (86)
GOALS:
Frankston: Gardiner 4 Wilson 3 Wood 3 McInnes Irving Cavarra McCartney
Richmond : Chol 4 Scott 3 Butler Conca McBean Soldo Griffiths Couch
BEST:
Frankston: Sikora Cavarra Wood McCartney McInnes Kempster
Richmond : Marcon Chol Scott Castagna Griffiths Moore
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v5/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=4138&pg=1&a=MR
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Dermie once said that the sides he played for knew that when they applied physical pressure to Richmond they would always crack. Since 1980 this has been the case.
And this is exactly what happened!
We dominated the first quarter mainly because the lack of pressure Frankston put on.
The second quarter was the exact opposite! Frankston came out and hit us hard, they were hard at the man and at the ball and because of that we just went to water. It was 100% the one thing that changed the game completely!
I also agree with what Big Tone wrote above, we just don't have any midfield depth.
In the first quarter Luke Conca was our stand out mid playing along side Moore.
At the start of the second quarter Marcon started center with Moore as well and it was his turn to shine.
After that though it all went pear shaped, Marcon copped a hard tag and couldn't shake it for the rest of the game, Conca wasn't sighted after after the first quarter and more was just plain awful all game.
Going into the last quarter we lined up with Soldo, Moore and Mellington and we just got smashed!
Soldo certainly went better than I thought, his ruck work is ok but he's mobile and can take a contested mark which are the areas I thought may be his biggest weakness.
As far as the Senior listed players go the stand out for me was Chol, should get BOG for mine.
Not only did he kick 4 goals he was a tackling machine and it just seemed like things happened when he was involved. He got up high for two huge marks that he just dropped, roved the pack 30 out from goal and snapped for a dubious touched on the line behind and probably his best passage of play was when he went to kick it forward off the half back line to have is kick smothered off the boot, somehow the ball embed back up in his arms and he took off full pace and gave off the handball and received it back again at full pace where he handed it off again. That was 4 possessions for about 50 meters gained.
The only knock I have is you could clearly see his fitness go downhill from about the 20 minute mark of the 3rd quarter. He had gave his all to that point but was pretty much rendered useless after that.
Another player of note were Griffiths, although I wouldn't say he had a ripper game it was good to see him crashing packs and taking some really good contested marks, his ruck work was also very good.
Seemed to be full of confidence today, I just wish he could show the same intent in the big league.
To be honest I didn't really notice anyone one else, Butler, Castanga and Sort all showed glimpses throughout the game but all three just kept drifting in and out, nothing more.
Actually I nearly forgot, Todd Elton was great down back, again taking some good contested marks but holding his man very well. IMO he needs to thrown into the AFL, he has size and pace and would have to be better tha Chaplin ATM.
It's all still a bit blurry, if I can think of Anthony else I'll add it later.
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Thanks, any positives at all? Even small ones will do .
Chol, Griffiths, Soldo to some extent and Elton IMO👍🏼
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McRae kept saying the Richmond way, well gues what it doesn't work.
Actually the Richmond way did work an worked quite well.
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That's the other thing I was going to mention, I've read frequently how our top up players are just not up to it and today I really understood what that meant. I've now seen it with my own eyes and seriously it's like playing 3 or 4 players short!
I honestly didn't think any of the AFL listed players had a terrible game (maybe McBean after Quarter time) but the top up players stink it up bad.
Again it's the lack of mids or quality mids that's killing us.
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Thanks, any positives at all? Even small ones will do .
Yer, anyone that thinks McBean cannot take a contested mark is wrong.. I think he took at least 6 or 7 contested marks.
McBean, Lennon and even Griff look like they are a level above the others. They just go missing for too long at this level of footy
Beers were cold and sausages were hot.
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A disappointing result today but its great to watch local footy. Firstly, Frankston have a team of very mature bodies who after the first quarter smashed us in contested possession and got their best players into the game. They have some good players just quietly :shh
Lennon - Played the first half only and was used as a high HF mostly. I wouldn't say he set the world on fire but provided a hit up target and used the ball well when he had it. Defensively looked fine but wasn't involved in the game like he should be. Needs to become our Tom Lynch but we did miss him in the second half as his absence meant the 23rd player spend more time on the ground and was found wanting. 4 out of 10
Moore - Tried hard but just couldn't get into the game and was well beaten by the Frankston mids. 2 out of 10
Griffiths - Started the game extremely well taking contested marks and setting the standards in the first quarter. Played forward and ruck throughout the day and I would say he played a good game and showed better intensity but still needs to prove he has a future. 5 out of 10
Markov - Played wing and HB and shows plenty. Marked well and is strong for his size and was using his pace and kicking skills to advantage. Copped a cork in the last but I like him. Looks and plays AFL standard. 5 out of 10
McBean - Started well with a few towering marks but faded every quarter thereafter. I will say he tried to stay involved during the game but just couldn't get himself into the contest regularly enough. He clearly has plenty of talent but overall it wasn't his best performance. 3 out of 10
Broard - I will say i haven't seen anything special in young Broad thus far and today he was poor. He needs to improve his one on one and body positioning as he always gets beaten. I think he is a good WAFL or VFL player but he just seems to have so many floors in his game. He can run but that's about it for now and I see him well behind Grimes, Menadue and Markov who play a similar position. 1 out of 10
Butler - Interesting player. He played mid and goes in hard, wins hard ball, runs on the outside, tackles and harasses but when the games was in the balance he went completely missing. Given he missed last year to injury he does show enough to suggest he could progress if he develops and wants it. 4 out of 10
Elton - I thought Elton was a positive today. He looked like he was the general down back today and left his man at the right times to impact the contest and spoiled well. Used the ball well and provided options on the spread. The games i have seen this year he definitely looks more confident and assured around the ball. Not many like him on this board but I do. 7 out of 10
Short - Played mainly HF and did spend a small amount of time on ball. Showed his skills with decision making and kicking whilst harassing the opposition constantly. I don't think he got leather poisoning but like Markov shows AFL quality with the things he does. 5 out of 10
Castagna - Looked like he ran with Cavarra early and was well beaten by a player who should be playing AFL. Played HB the last half and did provide plenty of run and carry but was overwhelmed in the end with constant ball coming his way. I do like how strong he is and he does use his pace t get out of trouble. Shows signs of being a player. FYI - his kicking looked better but still needs work IMO. 4 out of 10
C. Moore - What a great runner and has amazing pace which in time :pray could be such a weapon. Still learning and finding it hard playing against bigger bodied opponents but he does some great things at times. I really hope he works hard on his kicking because I look at his and think he could be a player in 5 years. Overall was beaten on the day. 3 out of 10
Chol - Wow! go and watch this young man play......it was a pleasure to see him completely dominate the opposition at times today. His marking is elite and he has plenty of tricks and he is so fast!
When he plays a whole game out watch out! He has so many AFL qualities he could be anything :shh 8 out of 10
Marcon - Played his heart out but was completely smashed in the middle when it counted. This might sound harsh but it looked like he was trying too hard and was selfish at times. The type of selfish play like, get out of my way I will do it all myself type of stuff. From what I saw he let himself down with not bringing other into play like he should. Again, this might be harsh but I was concerned with what i was watching. He still gets plenty of the footy and hopehe turns it around next week. 2 out of 10
Soldo - He gets better and better every time I see him play. Still raw but is taking contested marks around the ground and he likes to kick a goal. For such a young man with limited experience he is already better than Hamspon IMO. He needs to continue developing his kicking and improve his work rate but he does show promise. 6 out of 10
Townsend, Hunt, Ballard didn't play.
Our VFL listed players all had stinkers today with the likes of Gale, Darley, Kruse, Mellington, Aarts, Couch (injured) and Conca having shockers. The only VFL player to play decent was Scott.
Overall Frankston played like they wanted to prove they can play at this level and played a scrappy game of contested footy. Way too good on the day with 22 committed players playing against a more talented but less desperate group :thumbsdown
I am going again next week and will looking for a better performance across the board.
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Thanks to Loui for the running commentary, BT & the machine for the feedback on this game. :clapping
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The most disturbing thing about today was realizing we have absolutely no AFL listed genuine mids coming through that played today.
Too many flankers, wingmen and small forwards.
Our drafting has been putrid.
Mids and talls and rucks. We don't have enough coming through.
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Our depth has been a problem for a very long time and the harder this regime tries to fix the issue the worst it gets. This can only mean they don't know what they are doing or we just can't develop players once they arrive. We do seem to have this obsession with tinkering with player's natural positions and maybe this contributes to the situation.
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Thanks to Loui for the running commentary, BT & the machine for the feedback on this game. :clapping
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Who saw that commin eh ??
I did and even put a cheeky amount on Frankston quite early in the second. I set myself up on the Frankston side and got amongst the locals and the turning point for me was a Frankston player coming off very late in the 1st who said "they are being smart arses now". After quarter time Frankston came out hard.
Can't add much to what Lui, BT and Machine said :clapping except to agree with most of it.
Lennon spent a little bit of time playing loose back as well as forward. Went the mark instead of the punch at one stage which gave me the poo's. It just allows the bloke in front to be paid the mark
Chol was a jet and I'm not going to harp on it but you can see the massive difference between him and McBean is his ability (or want) to make the contest. McBean showed he does have good hands and justified those people who said he should hit more packs ;)
Not sure why we didn't play Short as a more conventional small forward. Spent a lot of time high and wide on the HF/wing and there was a few times I thought he was going to join us for a tinny.
Soldo needs some serious work on his kicking/decision making but is also coming along nicely considering where he's come from.
Thought both Moore and Elton were good down back and can see why people are hopefully of C.Moore but he does have some work to do especially body wise.
Lastly, BT I am willing to meet you half way on George ;D. His kicking is looking better whether that be by skill or better decisions so hopefully he keeps it up
Oh and Cavarra is a jet. Pretty determined to play AFL from what I hear and probably deserves to get on a list.
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Who saw that commin eh ??
I did and even put a cheeky amount on Frankston quite early in the second. I set myself up on the Frankston side and got amongst the locals and the turning point for me was a Frankston player coming off very late in the 1st who said "they are being smart arses now". After quarter time Frankston came out hard.
Can't add much to what Lui, BT and Machine said :clapping except to agree with most of it.
Lennon spent a little bit of time playing loose back as well as forward. Went the mark instead of the punch at one stage which gave me the poo's. It just allows the bloke in front to be paid the mark
Chol was a jet and I'm not going to harp on it but you can see the massive difference between him and McBean is his ability (or want) to make the contest. McBean showed he does have good hands and justified those people who said he should hit more packs ;)
Not sure why we didn't play Short as a more conventional small forward. Spent a lot of time high and wide on the HF/wing and there was a few times I thought he was going to join us for a tinny.
Soldo needs some serious work on his kicking/decision making but is also coming along nicely considering where he's come from.
Thought both Moore and Elton were good down back and can see why people are hopefully of C.Moore but he does have some work to do especially body wise.
Lastly, BT I am willing to meet you half way on George ;D. His kicking is looking better whether that be by skill or better decisions so hopefully he keeps it up
Oh and Cavarra is a jet. Pretty determined to play AFL from what I hear and probably deserves to get on a list.
George was pretty quiet yesterday unfortunately. He played like he was lost. Playing loose across HB, on the wing, and eventually down forward. I was hoping for a big day from him but he just couldn't really get involved in the game. He definitely has something though IMO.
Agreed on C. Moore, didn't do much either but there is something exciting about this kid. He has a great set of dukes and I noticed his kicking style has improved also. I couldn't see a fault with it.
I liked the look of Short too, strong body for such a little man. And he wasn't scared to get involved.
Soldo tries but I've seen better ruckman in the EFL. We are kidding ourselves if we think he will get to a level that is expected of an AFL player. We aim too low when it comes to ruckman.
No way in hell he will become as good as Maric and he at his best is only just AFL level. We need to aim higher than just guys that can compete, we need champions in the middle of the ground giving us first use of the footy.
I also thought Buttler showed a bit, didn't get heaps of it but showed he didn't poo himself in close and had some poise. He has got a few tricks also, flew high a couple of times and nearly took a couple of really nice marks. He needs to be played on the ball until he cannot run anymore, have a quick rest and then go on ball again. I'm thinking he may be a bit lazy. We need guys coming through that can come straight in and get 20 plus touches without having to to much differently than they are doing in the twos. Genuine mids! For small quick guys there are so many touches you can get without even having to be elite. We never really hand passed from a mark or free kick to a guy running past, we were to busy kicking it sideways.
Chol should be upgraded and played as a forward immediately IMO. Some guys just need to skip this reserves crap and play senior footy. This is where he will learn the most and at a quicker rate.
Overall the standard of footy yesterday wasn't great. If you didn't know it was VFL footy you would be excused if you thought it was just a decent local league game.
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Who saw that commin eh ??
I did and even put a cheeky amount on Frankston quite early in the second. I set myself up on the Frankston side and got amongst the locals and the turning point for me was a Frankston player coming off very late in the 1st who said "they are being smart arses now". After quarter time Frankston came out hard.
Can't add much to what Lui, BT and Machine said :clapping except to agree with most of it.
Lennon spent a little bit of time playing loose back as well as forward. Went the mark instead of the punch at one stage which gave me the poo's. It just allows the bloke in front to be paid the mark
Chol was a jet and I'm not going to harp on it but you can see the massive difference between him and McBean is his ability (or want) to make the contest. McBean showed he does have good hands and justified those people who said he should hit more packs ;)
Not sure why we didn't play Short as a more conventional small forward. Spent a lot of time high and wide on the HF/wing and there was a few times I thought he was going to join us for a tinny.
Soldo needs some serious work on his kicking/decision making but is also coming along nicely considering where he's come from.
Thought both Moore and Elton were good down back and can see why people are hopefully of C.Moore but he does have some work to do especially body wise.
Lastly, BT I am willing to meet you half way on George ;D. His kicking is looking better whether that be by skill or better decisions so hopefully he keeps it up
Oh and Cavarra is a jet. Pretty determined to play AFL from what I hear and probably deserves to get on a list.
George was pretty quiet yesterday unfortunately. He played like he was lost. Playing loose across HB, on the wing, and eventually down forward. I was hoping for a big day from him but he just couldn't really get involved in the game. He definitely has something though IMO.
Agreed on C. Moore, didn't do much either but there is something exciting about this kid. He has a great set of dukes and I noticed his kicking style has improved also. I couldn't see a fault with it.
I liked the look of Short too, strong body for such a little man. And he wasn't scared to get involved.
Soldo tries but I've seen better ruckman in the EFL. We are kidding ourselves if we think he will get to a level that is expected of an AFL player. We aim too low when it comes to ruckman.
No way in hell he will become as good as Maric and he at his best is only just AFL level. We need to aim higher than just guys that can compete, we need champions in the middle of the ground giving us first use of the footy.
I also thought Buttler showed a bit, didn't get heaps of it but showed he didn't poo himself in close and had some poise. He has got a few tricks also, flew high a couple of times and nearly took a couple of really nice marks. He needs to be played on the ball until he cannot run anymore, have a quick rest and then go on ball again. I'm thinking he may be a bit lazy. We need guys coming through that can come straight in and get 20 plus touches without having to to much differently than they are doing in the twos. Genuine mids! For small quick guys there are so many touches you can get without even having to be elite. We never really hand passed from a mark or free kick to a guy running past, we were to busy kicking it sideways.
Chol should be upgraded and played as a forward immediately IMO. Some guys just need to skip this reserves crap and play senior footy. This is where he will learn the most and at a quicker rate.
Overall the standard of footy yesterday wasn't great. If you didn't know it was VFL footy you would be excused if you thought it was just a decent local league game.
Bit harsh on George there I reckon, I was taking stats but he would have had it 20 times & was pretty good.
Both Moore's were pretty bad with Callum the better although he had his obligatory horrendous goal costing turnover, Andrew doent look interested.
Chol the highlight & I thought Soldo was pretty good , took 7 or 8 marks
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Who saw that commin eh ??
I did and even put a cheeky amount on Frankston quite early in the second. I set myself up on the Frankston side and got amongst the locals and the turning point for me was a Frankston player coming off very late in the 1st who said "they are being smart arses now". After quarter time Frankston came out hard.
Can't add much to what Lui, BT and Machine said :clapping except to agree with most of it.
Lennon spent a little bit of time playing loose back as well as forward. Went the mark instead of the punch at one stage which gave me the poo's. It just allows the bloke in front to be paid the mark
Chol was a jet and I'm not going to harp on it but you can see the massive difference between him and McBean is his ability (or want) to make the contest. McBean showed he does have good hands and justified those people who said he should hit more packs ;)
Not sure why we didn't play Short as a more conventional small forward. Spent a lot of time high and wide on the HF/wing and there was a few times I thought he was going to join us for a tinny.
Soldo needs some serious work on his kicking/decision making but is also coming along nicely considering where he's come from.
Thought both Moore and Elton were good down back and can see why people are hopefully of C.Moore but he does have some work to do especially body wise.
Lastly, BT I am willing to meet you half way on George ;D. His kicking is looking better whether that be by skill or better decisions so hopefully he keeps it up
Oh and Cavarra is a jet. Pretty determined to play AFL from what I hear and probably deserves to get on a list.
George was pretty quiet yesterday unfortunately. He played like he was lost. Playing loose across HB, on the wing, and eventually down forward. I was hoping for a big day from him but he just couldn't really get involved in the game. He definitely has something though IMO.
Agreed on C. Moore, didn't do much either but there is something exciting about this kid. He has a great set of dukes and I noticed his kicking style has improved also. I couldn't see a fault with it.
I liked the look of Short too, strong body for such a little man. And he wasn't scared to get involved.
Soldo tries but I've seen better ruckman in the EFL. We are kidding ourselves if we think he will get to a level that is expected of an AFL player. We aim too low when it comes to ruckman.
No way in hell he will become as good as Maric and he at his best is only just AFL level. We need to aim higher than just guys that can compete, we need champions in the middle of the ground giving us first use of the footy.
I also thought Buttler showed a bit, didn't get heaps of it but showed he didn't poo himself in close and had some poise. He has got a few tricks also, flew high a couple of times and nearly took a couple of really nice marks. He needs to be played on the ball until he cannot run anymore, have a quick rest and then go on ball again. I'm thinking he may be a bit lazy. We need guys coming through that can come straight in and get 20 plus touches without having to to much differently than they are doing in the twos. Genuine mids! For small quick guys there are so many touches you can get without even having to be elite. We never really hand passed from a mark or free kick to a guy running past, we were to busy kicking it sideways.
Chol should be upgraded and played as a forward immediately IMO. Some guys just need to skip this reserves crap and play senior footy. This is where he will learn the most and at a quicker rate.
Overall the standard of footy yesterday wasn't great. If you didn't know it was VFL footy you would be excused if you thought it was just a decent local league game.
Agree with most of your thoughts BT however after you get past the result it was a very good game of footy to watch and a big step up on local league games. I think you are being harsh on Soldo. Remember he has only played approx 20 odd games of footy and the development he has shown since last year has been dramatic. What was your take on his contested marking yesterday? IMO he has already overtaken Hampson because of his ability to take marks around the ground. His ruck work is getting better every time he plays as is his understanding of the game. He can also rest forward and kick goals. Do we need a ready to go ruck moving forward......yes we do but I am happy with developing young Soldo in the VFL for a few more years as he does show plenty of promise and could become better than his older cousin in time. C. Moore could also turn into a good player and his pace is incredible! Short is just a smart efficient player who nails kicks every time. Reminds me of Geoff Raines the way he runs and hits targets:shh
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Who saw that commin eh ??
I did and even put a cheeky amount on Frankston quite early in the second. I set myself up on the Frankston side and got amongst the locals and the turning point for me was a Frankston player coming off very late in the 1st who said "they are being smart arses now". After quarter time Frankston came out hard.
Can't add much to what Lui, BT and Machine said :clapping except to agree with most of it.
Lennon spent a little bit of time playing loose back as well as forward. Went the mark instead of the punch at one stage which gave me the poo's. It just allows the bloke in front to be paid the mark
Chol was a jet and I'm not going to harp on it but you can see the massive difference between him and McBean is his ability (or want) to make the contest. McBean showed he does have good hands and justified those people who said he should hit more packs ;)
Not sure why we didn't play Short as a more conventional small forward. Spent a lot of time high and wide on the HF/wing and there was a few times I thought he was going to join us for a tinny.
Soldo needs some serious work on his kicking/decision making but is also coming along nicely considering where he's come from.
Thought both Moore and Elton were good down back and can see why people are hopefully of C.Moore but he does have some work to do especially body wise.
Lastly, BT I am willing to meet you half way on George ;D. His kicking is looking better whether that be by skill or better decisions so hopefully he keeps it up
Oh and Cavarra is a jet. Pretty determined to play AFL from what I hear and probably deserves to get on a list.
Well done
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Who saw that commin eh ??
I did and even put a cheeky amount on Frankston quite early in the second. I set myself up on the Frankston side and got amongst the locals and the turning point for me was a Frankston player coming off very late in the 1st who said "they are being smart arses now". After quarter time Frankston came out hard.
Can't add much to what Lui, BT and Machine said :clapping except to agree with most of it.
Lennon spent a little bit of time playing loose back as well as forward. Went the mark instead of the punch at one stage which gave me the poo's. It just allows the bloke in front to be paid the mark
Chol was a jet and I'm not going to harp on it but you can see the massive difference between him and McBean is his ability (or want) to make the contest. McBean showed he does have good hands and justified those people who said he should hit more packs ;)
Not sure why we didn't play Short as a more conventional small forward. Spent a lot of time high and wide on the HF/wing and there was a few times I thought he was going to join us for a tinny.
Soldo needs some serious work on his kicking/decision making but is also coming along nicely considering where he's come from.
Thought both Moore and Elton were good down back and can see why people are hopefully of C.Moore but he does have some work to do especially body wise.
Lastly, BT I am willing to meet you half way on George ;D. His kicking is looking better whether that be by skill or better decisions so hopefully he keeps it up
Oh and Cavarra is a jet. Pretty determined to play AFL from what I hear and probably deserves to get on a list.
George was pretty quiet yesterday unfortunately. He played like he was lost. Playing loose across HB, on the wing, and eventually down forward. I was hoping for a big day from him but he just couldn't really get involved in the game. He definitely has something though IMO.
Agreed on C. Moore, didn't do much either but there is something exciting about this kid. He has a great set of dukes and I noticed his kicking style has improved also. I couldn't see a fault with it.
I liked the look of Short too, strong body for such a little man. And he wasn't scared to get involved.
Soldo tries but I've seen better ruckman in the EFL. We are kidding ourselves if we think he will get to a level that is expected of an AFL player. We aim too low when it comes to ruckman.
No way in hell he will become as good as Maric and he at his best is only just AFL level. We need to aim higher than just guys that can compete, we need champions in the middle of the ground giving us first use of the footy.
I also thought Buttler showed a bit, didn't get heaps of it but showed he didn't poo himself in close and had some poise. He has got a few tricks also, flew high a couple of times and nearly took a couple of really nice marks. He needs to be played on the ball until he cannot run anymore, have a quick rest and then go on ball again. I'm thinking he may be a bit lazy. We need guys coming through that can come straight in and get 20 plus touches without having to to much differently than they are doing in the twos. Genuine mids! For small quick guys there are so many touches you can get without even having to be elite. We never really hand passed from a mark or free kick to a guy running past, we were to busy kicking it sideways.
Chol should be upgraded and played as a forward immediately IMO. Some guys just need to skip this reserves crap and play senior footy. This is where he will learn the most and at a quicker rate.
Overall the standard of footy yesterday wasn't great. If you didn't know it was VFL footy you would be excused if you thought it was just a decent local league game.
Agree with most of your thoughts BT however after you get past the result it was a very good game of footy to watch and a big step up on local league games. I think you are being harsh on Soldo. Remember he has only played approx 20 odd games of footy and the development he has shown since last year has been dramatic. What was your take on his contested marking yesterday? IMO he has already overtaken Hampson because of his ability to take marks around the ground. His ruck work is getting better every time he plays as is his understanding of the game. He can also rest forward and kick goals. Do we need a ready to go ruck moving forward......yes we do but I am happy with developing young Soldo in the VFL for a few more years as he does show plenty of promise and could become better than his older cousin in time. C. Moore could also turn into a good player and his pace is incredible! Short is just a smart efficient player who nails kicks every time. Reminds me of Geoff Raines the way he runs and hits targets:shh
I keep hearing "he has come a long way" (Soldo) the thing is you don't get extra credits for that. His kicking makes Hampson's look like Nathan Buckley. To be honest I don't think he is even VFL standard at the minute. It's ok the try hard but if he is the next in line behind what we have in the seniors now, we are more than in trouble.
He should be playing in the next level down and we should have better in our twos so our young AFL listed guys can rove to a VFL/potentially AFL standard ruckman. And Soldo is miles away from that.
The other thing I couldn't get over was the amount of "overweight" players running around on both sides. This is suppose to be an elite comp but some guys look like they should be running around for Scoresby. The difference between the AfL listed guys and the others is to great. We should have kids playing that are still pushing to get on an AFL list, not 26 year old fatty's that may have won the best and fairest at their local club the year before.
They RFC need to take this more seriously IMO. It's not good enough for a club like the RFC with all it's resources to lose to a club like Frankston. It simply isn't good enough. I'm not saying we should be winning premierships in the twos but we should be far better than what we are.
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Sounds like Chol, Markov and C. Moore at least gave us something to look forward to. They are still kids with scope for improvement. Mabior in particular sounds like he could be anything once he gets a tank. Can't wait for that to happen. He would add so much to the senior group. :shh
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Chol gets angry face :clapping
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Who saw that commin eh ??
I did and even put a cheeky amount on Frankston quite early in the second. I set myself up on the Frankston side and got amongst the locals and the turning point for me was a Frankston player coming off very late in the 1st who said "they are being smart arses now". After quarter time Frankston came out hard.
Can't add much to what Lui, BT and Machine said :clapping except to agree with most of it.
Lennon spent a little bit of time playing loose back as well as forward. Went the mark instead of the punch at one stage which gave me the poo's. It just allows the bloke in front to be paid the mark
Chol was a jet and I'm not going to harp on it but you can see the massive difference between him and McBean is his ability (or want) to make the contest. McBean showed he does have good hands and justified those people who said he should hit more packs ;)
Not sure why we didn't play Short as a more conventional small forward. Spent a lot of time high and wide on the HF/wing and there was a few times I thought he was going to join us for a tinny.
Soldo needs some serious work on his kicking/decision making but is also coming along nicely considering where he's come from.
Thought both Moore and Elton were good down back and can see why people are hopefully of C.Moore but he does have some work to do especially body wise.
Lastly, BT I am willing to meet you half way on George ;D. His kicking is looking better whether that be by skill or better decisions so hopefully he keeps it up
Oh and Cavarra is a jet. Pretty determined to play AFL from what I hear and probably deserves to get on a list.
George was pretty quiet yesterday unfortunately. He played like he was lost. Playing loose across HB, on the wing, and eventually down forward. I was hoping for a big day from him but he just couldn't really get involved in the game. He definitely has something though IMO.
Agreed on C. Moore, didn't do much either but there is something exciting about this kid. He has a great set of dukes and I noticed his kicking style has improved also. I couldn't see a fault with it.
I liked the look of Short too, strong body for such a little man. And he wasn't scared to get involved.
Soldo tries but I've seen better ruckman in the EFL. We are kidding ourselves if we think he will get to a level that is expected of an AFL player. We aim too low when it comes to ruckman.
No way in hell he will become as good as Maric and he at his best is only just AFL level. We need to aim higher than just guys that can compete, we need champions in the middle of the ground giving us first use of the footy.
I also thought Buttler showed a bit, didn't get heaps of it but showed he didn't poo himself in close and had some poise. He has got a few tricks also, flew high a couple of times and nearly took a couple of really nice marks. He needs to be played on the ball until he cannot run anymore, have a quick rest and then go on ball again. I'm thinking he may be a bit lazy. We need guys coming through that can come straight in and get 20 plus touches without having to to much differently than they are doing in the twos. Genuine mids! For small quick guys there are so many touches you can get without even having to be elite. We never really hand passed from a mark or free kick to a guy running past, we were to busy kicking it sideways.
Chol should be upgraded and played as a forward immediately IMO. Some guys just need to skip this reserves crap and play senior footy. This is where he will learn the most and at a quicker rate.
Overall the standard of footy yesterday wasn't great. If you didn't know it was VFL footy you would be excused if you thought it was just a decent local league game.
Agree with most of your thoughts BT however after you get past the result it was a very good game of footy to watch and a big step up on local league games. I think you are being harsh on Soldo. Remember he has only played approx 20 odd games of footy and the development he has shown since last year has been dramatic. What was your take on his contested marking yesterday? IMO he has already overtaken Hampson because of his ability to take marks around the ground. His ruck work is getting better every time he plays as is his understanding of the game. He can also rest forward and kick goals. Do we need a ready to go ruck moving forward......yes we do but I am happy with developing young Soldo in the VFL for a few more years as he does show plenty of promise and could become better than his older cousin in time. C. Moore could also turn into a good player and his pace is incredible! Short is just a smart efficient player who nails kicks every time. Reminds me of Geoff Raines the way he runs and hits targets:shh
I keep hearing "he has come a long way" (Soldo) the thing is you don't get extra credits for that. His kicking makes Hampson's look like Nathan Buckley. To be honest I don't think he is even VFL standard at the minute. It's ok the try hard but if he is the next in line behind what we have in the seniors now, we are more than in trouble.
He should be playing in the next level down and we should have better in our twos so our young AFL listed guys can rove to a VFL/potentially AFL standard ruckman. And Soldo is miles away from that.
The other thing I couldn't get over was the amount of "overweight" players running around on both sides. This is suppose to be an elite comp but some guys look like they should be running around for Scoresby. The difference between the AfL listed guys and the others is to great. We should have kids playing that are still pushing to get on an AFL list, not 26 year old fatty's that may have won the best and fairest at their local club the year before.
They RFC need to take this more seriously IMO. It's not good enough for a club like the RFC with all it's resources to lose to a club like Frankston. It simply isn't good enough. I'm not saying we should be winning premierships in the twos but we should be far better than what we are.
Yes his kicking does need improvement but he can actually kick goals from set shots and hit targets around the ground. All this in only his second year of footy. Remember he is a project player and yes we need more coverage in this area next year and beyond. Patience :thumbsup
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Thanks to the update and review people
The club lucky it's got fans
Doesn't have much else
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Why can't we expect to win premierships in the twos?
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Why can't we expect to win premierships in the twos?
The doggies did ffs
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Soldo tries but I've seen better ruckman in the EFL. We are kidding ourselves if we think he will get to a level that is expected of an AFL player. We aim too low when it comes to ruckman.
No way in hell he will become as good as Maric and he at his best is only just AFL level. We need to aim higher than just guys that can compete, we need champions in the middle of the ground giving us first use of the footy.
I think we need to remember he's a category B rookie. If he plays an AFL game he's done well. So I do agree with you that we need better ruck stocks but putting the blame on him is stiff. He should be learning off a better ruckman in the two's instead of sharing the load with someone like Griffiths :lol
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Soldo tries but I've seen better ruckman in the EFL. We are kidding ourselves if we think he will get to a level that is expected of an AFL player. We aim too low when it comes to ruckman.
No way in hell he will become as good as Maric and he at his best is only just AFL level. We need to aim higher than just guys that can compete, we need champions in the middle of the ground giving us first use of the footy.
I think we need to remember he's a category B rookie. If he plays an AFL game he's done well. So I do agree with you that we need better ruck stocks but putting the blame on him is stiff. He should be learning off a better ruckman in the two's instead of sharing the load with someone like Griffiths :lol
Don't get me wrong- no blame his way. He should just be learning at a different level than our twos side. Rookie or not, if you aren't up to reserves footy, you shouldn't be playing. It's hurting the rest of the side and it's development playing a guy like this IMO. It's not right our potential midfielders have to try and learn from a guy that has played 2 years of footy.
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VFL Tigers squander lead to Dolphins
richmondfc.com.au
24 April 2016
Richmond’s VFL side surrendered a 29-point quarter-time lead on Saturday afternoon as Frankston saluted by 13 points in its first win since 2014.
The Tigers burst out of the blocks and kicked five goals in the blink of an eye and then watched its advantage whittle away in the last quarter as final scores finished 14.15 (99) to 13.8.(86) in the Dolphins favour.
Richmond clung to a five-point lead at three-quarter time as senior coach Craig McRae coolly urged on his chargers for the crucial final term.
Unfortunately, the Dolphins gained the lead in the opening minute of the last and never looked back, slamming on five-goals-to-three which had the Frankston supporters in raptures.
McRae acknowledged post-game his players simply didn’t work hard enough for long enough and structurally broke down in the second half.
“Our leaders didn’t stand-up for four quarters,” McRae said.
“Our defenders lost their shape and we couldn’t get the game played in our half.”
With the late withdrawals of Jacob Townsend and Taylor Hunt, Richmond lacked an enhanced presence at the coalface, which ultimately led to its undoing.
In a dominant midfield display, Frankston dominated Richmond in the centre square, winning the centre clearances 16–4 and generated 12 of its 14 goals between the arcs.
In stark contrast, the Tigers could only muster 1.3 to the Dolphins 6.3 from stoppages, and at times were left chasing through the midfield.
In a game of territory, the game was won and lost in the midfield and the young Tigers couldn’t get the game played in their half, and eventually, the dam wall broke.
“We started to lose clearances and when it became a game of territory and played long, we couldn’t get it in our forward half and hold it in there,” McRae said.
In a lightning opening stanza, returning Tiger tall Ben Griffiths made his presence felt with imperious strength in the air and at ground level and led his side to a 29-point lead at quarter-time.
“When we were up and about, he was the main reason,” McRae said.
Griffiths had support to his left and right as Mabior Chol and Liam McBean loomed ominously as the trio bagged four of the Tigers’ six first-term goals.
Chol slotted two in the first term and finished the day with a game-high four majors in a breakout performance for the energetic Tiger rookie.
McRae labelled Chol’s performance “his best game for the club” and hopes it’s a sign of things to come.
Tenacious Richmond on-baller Adam Marcon (32 disposals) worked tirelessly, while Jason Castagna and Sam Darley had 23 touches respectively, and provided drive off half-back.
In support of Chol, Anthony Scott bagged three goals, with McBean, Soldo, Griffiths, Conca and Butler chiming in with one.
Richmond faces a stern test against Sandringham fresh-off a 28-point Round 3 win next Saturday at Punt Road Oval from 4:30pm.
Frankston 1.1-7 5.5-35 9.8-62 14.15-99
Richmond 6.0-36 9.4-58 10.7-67 13.8-86
Frankston
Goal Kickers: N. Gardiner 4, A. Wilson 3, B. Wood 3, B. Irving, C. McCartney, B. Cavarra, A. McInnes
Best Players: M. Sikora, B. Cavarra, B. Wood, C. McCartney, A. McInnes, D. Kempster
Richmond
Goal Kickers: M. Chol 4, A. Scott 3, D. Butler, B. Griffiths, L. Conca, L. McBean, I. Soldo, T. Couch
Best Players: A. Marcon, M. Chol, A. Scott, J. Castagna, B. Griffiths, A. Moore
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-04-24/vfl-tigers-squander-lead-to-dolphins
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Soldo tries but I've seen better ruckman in the EFL. We are kidding ourselves if we think he will get to a level that is expected of an AFL player. We aim too low when it comes to ruckman.
No way in hell he will become as good as Maric and he at his best is only just AFL level. We need to aim higher than just guys that can compete, we need champions in the middle of the ground giving us first use of the footy.
I think we need to remember he's a category B rookie. If he plays an AFL game he's done well. So I do agree with you that we need better ruck stocks but putting the blame on him is stiff. He should be learning off a better ruckman in the two's instead of sharing the load with someone like Griffiths :lol
Don't get me wrong- no blame his way. He should just be learning at a different level than our twos side. Rookie or not, if you aren't up to reserves footy, you shouldn't be playing. It's hurting the rest of the side and it's development playing a guy like this IMO. It's not right our potential midfielders have to try and learn from a guy that has played 2 years of footy.
Do we have access to lower levels? When we were with Coburg we had the development team that players could play for but what about now?
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They can send category B rookies like Soldo to the suburban leagues I think....what we did with Gideon Simon...
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They can send category B rookies like Soldo to the suburban leagues I think....what we did with Gideon Simon...
Actually we did similar with Soldo didn't we? Played in the TAC or something.
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They can send category B rookies like Soldo to the suburban leagues I think....what we did with Gideon Simon...
Actually we did similar with Soldo didn't we? Played in the TAC or something.
if any of our 24 VFL players dont get selected they go back to their suburban clubs
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They can send category B rookies like Soldo to the suburban leagues I think....what we did with Gideon Simon...
Actually we did similar with Soldo didn't we? Played in the TAC or something.
if any of our 24 VFL players dont get selected they go back to their suburban clubs
That's VFL listed players yeah? What about our AFL listed players?
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Richmond’s VFL coach Craig McRae provides an exclusive summary of the AFL and VFL-listed players who featured in last Saturday’s match against Frankston.
AFL-listed
Adam Marcon
32 disposals, 20 contested possessions, seven clearances, six tackles
Continued his good form at VFL level, he was a really solid contributor for us. He had 32 disposals, he just needs to tidy up his kick and handball efficiency but his effort was really strong. He was a really good contributor on the day.
Andrew Moore
24 disposals, 12 contested possessions, six clearances, nine tackles
Returned from an AFL opportunity, he was a solid contributor without having a massive impact. His nine tackles stood out, along with his 12 contested possessions.
Jason Castagna
23 disposals, 15 uncontested possessions, 11 handball receives
Jason went back after playing forward for the last few rounds, he continues his good form. He has great athletic qualities and is covering the ground really well. He’s getting close to AFL opportunity.
Liam McBean
15 disposals, four contested marks, ten contested possessions, one goal
Liam started the game really strongly. He was a main reason why we were four or five goals up at half time. He had four contested marks; all of them inside 50, which is a good sign for him. Ten contested possessions is also a reflection of him coming at the football. He died off in the second half which was a little bit symbolic of the team.
Jayden Short
15 disposals, 10 uncontested possessions, eight handball receives
Played through the wing and didn’t have the impact of recent games. He still did a couple of nice things. We still need him to get on the end of ball movement chains off half-back.
Ivan Soldo
22 hit-outs, 15 disposals, nine contested possessions
Started the game really well in the ruck and tired as the game went on and looked quite sore in the end. Frankston dominated centre clearance which is something he needs to work on to be competitive for four quarters. He played against a really good player, Frankston’s ruckman has been around a while and has really good experience. It was a good lesson learnt and Soldo had a really good contested mark and goal early in the game.
Todd Elton
14 disposals, seven contested possessions, four marks
Played key-back and continues to have ebbs and flows in his game. He has some good moments and then some poor lapses in concentration. We’re looking for him to have a four quarter effort.
Ben Griffiths
14 disposals, eight contested possessions, 19 hit-outs, two contested marks
Returned from injury and looked really strong in the aerial contests. He was another one who impacted the game early with his contested marking and ended up with five (marks) for the game, including a really strong one (contested mark) early in the game for a goal. He played also in the ruck and had a little bit of an impact, but again we were beaten in clearance so we need a stronger performance through our rucks.
Nathan Broad
12 disposals, nine uncontested possessions, six handball receives
Played on a wing and then went to half-back, he had a really solid performance last week and tailed off this week. His tackling efficiency and intent was poor on the day which has to improve. We also need him to run and carry the footy, as we saw the previous week.
Mabior Chol
Four goals, 12 disposals, seven contested possessions, two contested marks
Played his best game for the club. He finished the game with four goals and his marking was a feature as well as his intensity around the contest was a progression from previous rounds.
Dan Butler
10 disposals, six handball receives, two tackles, one goal
Played forward, another who came in and out of the game. His tackle pressure is something we need from him and his intent, similar to Broad was poor and something he needs to work on.
Ben Lennon
Nine disposals, six contested possessions, two tackles
Started the game slowly in the first quarter, built into it nicely in the second and then unfortunately copped a head knock late in the second quarter, just before half time and didn’t return.
Oleg Markov
Nine disposals, seven uncontested possessions, five handball receives
Played at half-back for the first time in his career and looked really promising at times. His attack in the aerial contests and his run-and-carry with the ball showed he’s got something to offer down there.
Callum Moore
Eight disposals, four marks, two tackles
We were a bit disappointed in a couple of his disciplinary acts and we’ll address that during the week.
http://m.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-04-26/the-vfl-report-round-3
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Sounds like a bit more of an honest assessment for once....
Markov of half back now.....do we need to play every bloody kid there?
Hope the comments about Callum Moore don't mean they want him to "tone down his aggression".....same mistake we made with Arnot after his first year....don't have enough aggressive blokes in the side as it is....and even less that are also talented with it....
At least, from my interpretation anyway, McRae seems to realise that McBean faded because our midfield did....as tends to happen to most forwards when their midfield starts getting beaten, the supply dries up and the match is being played down the other end....
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Sounds like a bit more of an honest assessment for once....
Markov of half back now.....do we need to play every bloody kid there?
Hope the comments about Callum Moore don't mean they want him to "tone down his aggression".....same mistake we made with Arnot after his first year....don't have enough aggressive blokes in the side as it is....and even less that are also talented with it....
At least, from my interpretation anyway, McRae seems to realise that McBean faded because our midfield did....as tends to happen to most forwards when their midfield starts getting beaten, the supply dries up and the match is being played down the other end....
:snidegrin
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Sounds like a bit more of an honest assessment for once....
Markov of half back now.....do we need to play every bloody kid there?
Hope the comments about Callum Moore don't mean they want him to "tone down his aggression".....same mistake we made with Arnot after his first year....don't have enough aggressive blokes in the side as it is....and even less that are also talented with it....
At least, from my interpretation anyway, McRae seems to realise that McBean faded because our midfield did....as tends to happen to most forwards when their midfield starts getting beaten, the supply dries up and the match is being played down the other end....
C. Moore doesnt need to tone his aggression down but he does need a refresher on the rules. He gave away a 50m penalty because he simply didn't want to give the ball back to the oppo and was asked by the umpire on 4 occasions to do so.....undisciplined. The other was he played on from a kick in but failed to kick the ball to himself prior to running out of the goal square :P Both were seen from the interchange as unnecessary and momentum killers......got dragged and received a spray for the first brain fade.
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Sounds like a bit more of an honest assessment for once....
Markov of half back now.....do we need to play every bloody kid there?
Hope the comments about Callum Moore don't mean they want him to "tone down his aggression".....same mistake we made with Arnot after his first year....don't have enough aggressive blokes in the side as it is....and even less that are also talented with it....
At least, from my interpretation anyway, McRae seems to realise that McBean faded because our midfield did....as tends to happen to most forwards when their midfield starts getting beaten, the supply dries up and the match is being played down the other end....
C. Moore doesnt need to tone his aggression down but he does need a refresher on the rules. He gave away a 50m penalty because he simply didn't want to give the ball back to the oppo and was asked by the umpire on 4 occasions to do so.....undisciplined. The other was he played on from a kick in but failed to kick the ball to himself prior to running out of the goal square :P Both were seen from the interchange as unnecessary and momentum killers......got dragged and received a spray for the first brain fade.
It's funny 2 people watching the same game see it so differently. The first Moore 50, that was 10m from me at the time was because he thought it was his free kick. The umpire put his hand up the wrong way. The ump blew the whistle a few times but he thought it was for him to move the footy on quicker. A good umpire would have realized the mistake and just made him give the ball back. Nothing to do with not knowing the rules.
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Sounds like a bit more of an honest assessment for once....
Markov of half back now.....do we need to play every bloody kid there?
Hope the comments about Callum Moore don't mean they want him to "tone down his aggression".....same mistake we made with Arnot after his first year....don't have enough aggressive blokes in the side as it is....and even less that are also talented with it....
At least, from my interpretation anyway, McRae seems to realise that McBean faded because our midfield did....as tends to happen to most forwards when their midfield starts getting beaten, the supply dries up and the match is being played down the other end....
C. Moore doesnt need to tone his aggression down but he does need a refresher on the rules. He gave away a 50m penalty because he simply didn't want to give the ball back to the oppo and was asked by the umpire on 4 occasions to do so.....undisciplined. The other was he played on from a kick in but failed to kick the ball to himself prior to running out of the goal square :P Both were seen from the interchange as unnecessary and momentum killers......got dragged and received a spray for the first brain fade.
It's funny 2 people watching the same game see it so differently. The first Moore 50, that was 10m from me at the time was because he thought it was his free kick. The umpire put his hand up the wrong way. The ump blew the whistle a few times but he thought it was for him to move the footy on quicker. A good umpire would have realized the mistake and just made him give the ball back. Nothing to do with not knowing the rules.
Being kind BT as it was clear he ran too far and given the opposition made no physical contact with him what else was the umpire blowing the whistle for? The umpire clearly told him 4 times to hand the ball back.....gee even the coaches box could even hear the instruction from the ump. Take your point it about it not being about the rules but his error kicking the ball back in was a shocker and that's about rules. All that being said, I do like what he has to offer and looks exiting if he develops ;)
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Sounds like a bit more of an honest assessment for once....
Markov of half back now.....do we need to play every bloody kid there?
Hope the comments about Callum Moore don't mean they want him to "tone down his aggression".....same mistake we made with Arnot after his first year....don't have enough aggressive blokes in the side as it is....and even less that are also talented with it....
At least, from my interpretation anyway, McRae seems to realise that McBean faded because our midfield did....as tends to happen to most forwards when their midfield starts getting beaten, the supply dries up and the match is being played down the other end....
C. Moore doesnt need to tone his aggression down but he does need a refresher on the rules. He gave away a 50m penalty because he simply didn't want to give the ball back to the oppo and was asked by the umpire on 4 occasions to do so.....undisciplined. The other was he played on from a kick in but failed to kick the ball to himself prior to running out of the goal square :P Both were seen from the interchange as unnecessary and momentum killers......got dragged and received a spray for the first brain fade.
It's funny 2 people watching the same game see it so differently. The first Moore 50, that was 10m from me at the time was because he thought it was his free kick. The umpire put his hand up the wrong way. The ump blew the whistle a few times but he thought it was for him to move the footy on quicker. A good umpire would have realized the mistake and just made him give the ball back. Nothing to do with not knowing the rules.
Being kind BT as it was clear he ran too far and given the opposition made no physical contact with him what else was the umpire blowing the whistle for? The umpire clearly told him 4 times to hand the ball back.....gee even the coaches box could even hear the instruction from the ump. Take your point it about it not being about the rules but his error kicking the ball back in was a shocker and that's about rules. All that being said, I do like what he has to offer and looks exiting if he develops ;)
I know it doesn't matter but are we even talking about the same thing. The one I'm talking about was on the boundary line, backward of centre at the opposite end from the ocean, our coaches box side.
The whistle blew, the ump pointed the wrong way and Moore went and physically got the footy and returned behind the mark ready for his kick. The ump was blowing the whistle but his eyes were at where he was going to kick the footy. I'm assuming he thought the whistle was to hurry up.
I'm happy to whack blokes but this wasn't undisciplined. A bit stupid maybe but as I said the ump knew he wasn't wasting time on purpose but still gave the 50.
Anyway no big deal.
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Te maggot points te wrong way...
And gives 50 against for going over the mark...
That'd be right
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Him running it out of the kick in without kicking to himself was pee funny
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That happened in an afl game this week also