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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 28, 2016, 10:11:03 PM
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Saints closer to flag than Tigers: Waldron
Joshua Papanikolaou
SEN
28 Jun 2016
Brian Waldron believes that by making a bold move and trading multiple senior players in recent years St Kilda is now far closer to winning a premiership than Richmond.
After two heartbreaking Grand Final losses the Saints started to drop down the ladder and decided to cash in some of their quality veterans for draft picks.
“We need to take you to task too, on the 8th of June you said St Kilda is going nowhere,” said Waldron on SEN radio to the great Kevin Bartlett.
“Well I don’t agree with you and that’s okay, I think Richmond are treading water and St Kilda now I would argue that they are far closer to a premiership than Richmond.
“Because they took the hard step a number of years ago and bottomed out and have built on a base – whereas Richmond hasn’t bottomed out and I’d say St Kilda are certainly closer now.
“Richmond have only had a team capable of finishing ninth, eighth, seventh or sixth and losing a final.”
Bartlett stood by his comments on the Saints and insisted no team should ever consider trading away its best players to go for a complete rebuild.
“That was a conversation we had about people wanting to give up their best players to draft players,” he responded.
“I said would St Kilda be any worse off if they had Goddard and Dal Santo still playing for them? Would they still be better off? That’s what I said.
“At the moment they’re hoping they’ve got some light at the end of the tunnel but I still don’t believe that you give up your best players.
“People were talking about Richmond should give up Deledio or give away Jack Riewoldt.
“St Kilda may have recruited better than Richmond, picked better players at the draft, they may have we don’t know.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/afl/06-16/saints-closer-to-flag-than-tigers-waldron#QJ4RjDepok2OBuki.97
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Yep
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It is sad to say that St Kilda have :banghead
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They have gone past us
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Ask yourself what tigers players would not get a Game for Saint kilda
And you've found most of your problem
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People can say what they like. The saints MAY have gone past us but that is an opinion only. There is no guarantee that this will be like that for a long time. FA moves and trades can transform a list quickly.
Richmond needs to be brave.
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Nah, Whoreforn is just across the road from Richmond while St Kilda is in Seaford these days! We're miles closer! ;D
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We only passed them for two years.
They've been a better club consistently for years.
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After what he did at Melb Storm, I am not at all interested in Brian Waldron's opinion on anything
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People can say what they like. The saints MAY have gone past us but that is an opinion only. There is no guarantee that this will be like that for a long time. FA moves and trades can transform a list quickly.
Richmond needs to be brave.
Agree. By making the necessary changes at the club and by recruiting well our position could improve significantly. Action needs to taken now.
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After what he did at Melb Storm, I am not at all interested in Brian Waldron's opinion on anything
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Waldron usedo be involved at RFC circa 1989
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I think it is fair to say they have better kids than us coming through. They did make some tough calls on experienced players and it looks like they recruited well.
Is definitely consider trading Lids if we could get a top 5 pick in return.
The key to it all though is recruiting well and with FJ in charge the chances are not great. So move the prick on!!
We must IMO trade or delist guys that are taking us no further and draft as many kids as possible. We need heaps of onballers and KPP. NO MORE FLANKERS OR POCKET PLAYERS.
And of course Hurley is a must. And he is free.
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Lol trading lids isn't going to help much
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We wernt smart enought to pick up the right players in the first place, whats going to change now?
Reckon we have the nucleus to pick up the pieces and that begins with the staff around the onfield stuff.
Desperate need for fresh ideas.
No need to go from scratch with the playing list, elsewhere well!
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They have gone past us
Some just accept it :snidegrin
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How did Saint keep nick
And still go past us ?
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They got rid of big boy, goddud, dal santo and ray
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They got rid of big boy, goddud, dal santo and ray
Goodard and Dal left as free agents
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how hard can it be to go past a middling side?
People seem to paint it or think we were a very good side at some stage and that is just not right.
If you stop evolving and are only middling it does not take long before everyone goes past you.
We have remained stagnant since the end of 2012 the 6 or 7 who regularly carry the side are now being swamped.
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1 good win & they are on the Premiership path... they are likely to fall flat against GCS this week!
before this week they had been on the receiving end of some beltings....
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1 good win & they are on the Premiership path... they are likely to fall flat against GCS this week!
before this week they had been on the receiving end of some beltings....
Sounds familiar..
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After what he did at Melb Storm, I am not at all interested in Brian Waldron's opinion on anything
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Waldron usedo be involved at RFC circa 1989
Yes he was involved in recruiting
Then went to the Saints as CEO
Then onto the Storm where he implemented their salry rorting program
He has no credibility after that.
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That's a very black and white approach
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The storm did win 3 premiership with him in charge. So he has a clue about what it takes to win it's just he is a crook like half the AFL clubs. Weagles drugs, Essendrug, Carlscums salary rorts. The list is long and mostly can't be named due to legal reasons.
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They got rid of big boy, goddud, dal santo and ray
Goodard and Dal left as free agents
They still got compensated pick 13 for Goddard and pick 25 for Dal Santo.
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Lol trading lids isn't going to help much
You don't think if we got a top 5 pick for an aging Lids and drafted a Buddy/Judd/Dusty type it wouldn't help much?
I get you like Lids but he isn't going to be around forever. We could potentially get a 10/12 year player with a pick in the top 5.
Add that to our first pick for being pathetic this year and we have 2 top 10 picks.
And add that to getting Hurley for nothing and we changed our side dramatically and they will all be around with our current crop of stars to eventually contend.
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They got rid of big boy, goddud, dal santo and ray
Goodard and Dal left as free agents
They still got compensated pick 13 for Goddard and pick 25 for Dal Santo.
That's right, and they wasted pick 13 on Tom Lee.
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How did Saint keep nick
And still go past us ?
They didn't extend a career of one of the biggest duds to ever coach our club, along with one of the worst recruiters of all time
That's how
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Lol trading lids isn't going to help much
You don't think if we got a top 5 pick for an aging Lids and drafted a Buddy/Judd/Dusty type it wouldn't help much?
I get you like Lids but he isn't going to be around forever. We could potentially get a 10/12 year player with a pick in the top 5.
Add that to our first pick for being pathetic this year and we have 2 top 10 picks.
And add that to getting Hurley for nothing and we changed our side dramatically and they will all be around with our current crop of stars to eventually contend.
Due to the lids havin the body of a a spartan god, almost breaking the games record for most games in a row, being quite good at the game, other factors too. I can see him playing for a few more years. Even goin to a higher level, in a better team
If deledio was at a Geelong/hawthorn/Sydney i think tey play him in a pocket and he'd kick (even more) ass
It's apparently not a fantastic draft. I am not sure if tere is a buddy or judd in there. And less confident of us finding it.
Have a talk to Penny about the stats on landing a 100 game player let alone a superstar
I understand te argument lids is our only old player with any value hence he needs I be traded. I just don't agree with it. I am in favor of topping up not rebuilding. The rebuild was Sposed to start in 2004 FFs wen lids was 17. We are now discussing him retiring.
Gws have 400 first rounders playing in the reserves. Other clubs like saints have bitten the bullet and starting again. Trading lids isn't going to make us catch up. Would rather build around him Just my 2c, I don't like my judgement is clouded by liking him. Just what is more probable tigers winning a flag (lol). Lids and Hurley > some 17 year old nobody an Hurley
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if lids wanted out then you get what you can and move on, but trading him with the unlikely premise of drafting a Judd, Buddy or Martin is stretching it a bit.
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Lids hasn't been able to complete a pre-season for the last two years. I get the feeling that his body is starting to slow down.
I think we would be mad not to take a top 5 even top 10 pick if the offer was there.
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Rance 27
Jack 28
Why not go the whole Hogg and get rid of them too? By using the exact same thought process - best move for th long term future of the club.
Further more, I know people don't like lods playing back cause he is good at kicking goals, creatin them and these types of things. However he's a good defender. The idea of the following settin up play and "repelling attacks" while letting go of lids is a bit vomit inducing. Hunt. Bachelor. Morris. Houli. Chaplin....
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"I am closer to shagging Kate moss than than the tigers are to winning a flag" would of been a more interesting and more accurate. The saints are still hopeless imho
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Saints just had their back sides handed to them by GC. They are no shoe in for the finals next year so while I understand his strategy it's not necessarily one that always works. Look at Sydney they never tank and they compete in finals every year.
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saints have considerably better tall stocks imo - dont know much about their defence but they do have the coca cola kid to come back into the side
so their spine looks good for the future
KPF's - McCartin & Bruce, Membrey a handy 3rd tall
Rucks - Hickey and Longer (Hickey looks to be developing into a gun
KPD's - Carlisle and Goddard
Whats our spine look like?
Rance and jack 2 of the best in the league but after that we're screwed... Thats why its so important for us to land Hurley and to go after a big strong KPF like Patton. Still leaves us horribly deficient in the ruck but one step at a time. Hopefully Vickery and griff can land us some decent draft picks in the second or 3rd round and maybe we can bundle up a few and land a big talent from GWS or GC?
I havent gone into the smalls talent vs ours, but why bother - when you look at our tall vs theirs its quite alarming - but thats what happens when you give spuds like Vickery and Griff 7-8 years or whatever it is - what a monumental waste of time that has been. We can still salvage something and bounce back much quicker than in years gone by bc we at least have a strong core from which to build around this time and our A graders all have time on their side (except maybe for deledio)
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Talk on the radio today that McCartin might just have had to many concussions and he'll be out for the season and maybe for life .
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Talk on the radio today that McCartin might just have had to many concussions and he'll be out for the season and maybe for life .
He's got diabetes or something too
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Bump ;)
Saints closer to flag than Tigers: Waldron
Joshua Papanikolaou
SEN
28 Jun 2016
Brian Waldron believes that by making a bold move and trading multiple senior players in recent years St Kilda is now far closer to winning a premiership than Richmond.
After two heartbreaking Grand Final losses the Saints started to drop down the ladder and decided to cash in some of their quality veterans for draft picks.
“We need to take you to task too, on the 8th of June you said St Kilda is going nowhere,” said Waldron on SEN radio to the great Kevin Bartlett.
“Well I don’t agree with you and that’s okay, I think Richmond are treading water and St Kilda now I would argue that they are far closer to a premiership than Richmond.
“Because they took the hard step a number of years ago and bottomed out and have built on a base – whereas Richmond hasn’t bottomed out and I’d say St Kilda are certainly closer now.
“Richmond have only had a team capable of finishing ninth, eighth, seventh or sixth and losing a final.”
Bartlett stood by his comments on the Saints and insisted no team should ever consider trading away its best players to go for a complete rebuild.
“That was a conversation we had about people wanting to give up their best players to draft players,” he responded.
“I said would St Kilda be any worse off if they had Goddard and Dal Santo still playing for them? Would they still be better off? That’s what I said.
“At the moment they’re hoping they’ve got some light at the end of the tunnel but I still don’t believe that you give up your best players.
“People were talking about Richmond should give up Deledio or give away Jack Riewoldt.
“St Kilda may have recruited better than Richmond, picked better players at the draft, they may have we don’t know.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/afl/06-16/saints-closer-to-flag-than-tigers-waldron#QJ4RjDepok2OBuki.97
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Isn't it sweet to take little trips down memory lane and see what people were saying about us even at the start of the season.
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We wernt smart enought to pick up the right players in the first place, whats going to change now?
Reckon we have the nucleus to pick up the pieces and that begins with the staff around the onfield stuff.
Desperate need for fresh ideas.
No need to go from scratch with the playing list, elsewhere well!
Who's a clever sausage then
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Great bump
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Bump ;D.
We've won twice as many flags in the past 3 years than St Kilda has in their entire history :wallywink.
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Great bump
Great bump and where’s Waldron now?
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Great bump
Great bump and where’s Waldron now?
Shares in a paper bag making company perhaps?
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Great bump
Great bump and where’s Waldron now?
Shares in a paper bag making company perhaps?
Carlton then?
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Bump ;D.
We've won twice as many flags in the past 3 years than St Kilda has in their entire history :wallywink.
Bump.
Make that now three times as many flags in the past 4 years than St Kilda has in their entire history ;D.
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Nice bump cyclops