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Title: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 18, 2016, 06:33:41 PM
Emmett Dunne to join Richmond board

richmondfc.com.au 
August 18, 2016 5:25 PM

Former Richmond premiership player Emmett Dunne will join the Club’s board from September, filling a casual vacancy created by the retirement of long-serving director John Matthies.

The Club’s nomination committee – chaired by Kerry Ryan - recommended Dunne’s appointment to the board and that appointment was approved this week.

Dunne, who played 115 games for the Tigers between 1976 and 1983, was a member of Richmond’s 1980 Premiership side. He returned to coach the reserves side from 1988 – 1992 and also served as ruck coach under Allan Jeans and John Northey from 1993 to 1995.

Dunne has served as a member of the AFL tribunal since 1997 but will now step down from that role.

Professionally, Dunne served 39 years with the Victoria Police eventually being promoted to the rank of Assistant Commissioner in 2009. In the 2011 Australia Day honours he was awarded the Australian Police Medal (APM). He retired from the Victoria Police in 2015.

“We are delighted to have Emmett join the board. He brings a wealth of experience on many levels - not only as a result of his long association with elite and grass roots football - but through his distinguished career with the Victoria Police,” Richmond president Peggy O’Neal said.

“He brings a particularly strong skill set in areas such as ethical leadership, culture and capability, integrity and security – areas of paramount importance in the modern game.”

Full article
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-08-18/emmett-dunne-to-join-richmond-board
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: 🏅Dooks on August 18, 2016, 06:51:04 PM
Dont rock the boat Emmett.

Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 18, 2016, 06:59:17 PM
Dont rock the boat Emmett.

You have a problem with Emmett joining the board?

I thought we didn't have enough footy nous on the board

Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on August 18, 2016, 07:00:36 PM
Good move.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: 🏅Dooks on August 18, 2016, 07:02:04 PM
Dont rock the boat Emmett.

You have a problem with Emmett joining the board?

I thought we didn't have enough footy nous on the board

Excuse me?

I said dont rock the boat - that is after all what the board and club are about.

Providing he doesnt, he'll get along with the rest of them fine.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on August 18, 2016, 07:03:04 PM
He's fantastic! ;D
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Diocletian on August 18, 2016, 07:06:05 PM
No doubt he gave all the right anwsers.... :shh
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: RedanTiger on August 18, 2016, 07:34:39 PM
No doubt he gave all the right anwsers.... :shh

Considering he used to head the Nomination Committee I don't think there's much chance he'll rock the boat or not know the answers.
He probably wrote most of the questions.

Good to see that Kerry Ryan is still head of the committee, considering she (and O'Neal) are up for re-election this year.

The original rules were that you could not sit on that committee in your re-election year. That seems to have now been changed so you can only sit till the end of October, then stand against those people that went before the committee in the election in December.

Continuing the long tradition at Richmond, we have a long term director retiring months short of the AGM so one of the insiders can be appointed without election.

So Dunne is now a director. APPOINTED. 
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: (•))(©™ on August 18, 2016, 07:41:03 PM
So PEGGY reckons his experience as a lifetime cop is going to be a wealth of experience to the club, how?  :lol

stuffn Americans.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: (•))(©™ on August 18, 2016, 07:41:57 PM
Besieds, they already have enough football experience with Benny and freeze, she reckons.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: RedanTiger on August 18, 2016, 07:46:15 PM
I really appreciated this section.
“He brings a particularly strong skill set in areas such as ethical leadership, culture and capability, integrity and security – areas of paramount importance in the modern game.”

Wonder why they didn't mention he was the original chair of the Nomination Committee.
Must admit I thought of Emmett when Caro wrote the piece on Russo using information from the Purana taskforce, but presumed it was McKenzie.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 18, 2016, 08:34:38 PM
Dont rock the boat Emmett.

You have a problem with Emmett joining the board?

I thought we didn't have enough footy nous on the board

I do. What is he going to bring?
Is he going to present what needs to be done to solve some of the issues we currently face?
Or is it jobs for the boys
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: one-eyed on August 18, 2016, 09:12:11 PM
Dunne said he was thrilled to be given the opportunity to give back to the Club that has been such a great part of his life.

“In many ways I grew up at Richmond having arrived at the Club as a player at such a young age. I look forward to working collectively with the rest of the Board and management and making a positive contribution to the Club,” Dunne said.

John Matthies served 12 years as a director of the Club.

“On behalf of our members, I would like to thank John for his service as a director. He is a life member of the Richmond Football Club as well as a member of the Jack’s Club coterie. He has made a significant contribution over a long period of time and we look forward to seeing him at the football into the future,” O’Neal said.

O’Neal said Dunne’s appointment continued the Club’s considered approach to succession planning and brings to four, the number of new directors appointed in the past three years.

“As I have said consistently, succession planning is fundamental to any well-governed organisation and it is of great importance to this board,” she said.

“This appointment has been under consideration since John informed the Club he would be retiring a number of months back.”

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-tigers-announce-board-change-emmett-dunne-to-replace-john-matthies-20160818-gqvyfe.html
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-08-18/emmett-dunne-to-join-richmond-board
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Harry on August 18, 2016, 09:49:34 PM
Dont rock the boat Emmett.

You have a problem with Emmett joining the board?

I thought we didn't have enough footy nous on the board

You happy with the members having no say, again?
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 18, 2016, 10:08:23 PM
No doubt he gave all the right anwsers.... :shh

It's all good though, he was elected right? Surely

Just looking on the net for his vision for the club. Email it over when you find it please

Cheers

Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Harry on August 18, 2016, 10:14:46 PM
No doubt he gave all the right anwsers.... :shh

It's all good though, he was elected right? Surely

Just looking on the net for his vision for the club. Email it over when you find it please

Cheers

been looking for the past hour.  Nutin

Back door job when we weren't looking it seems.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 18, 2016, 10:16:58 PM
Dont rock the boat Emmett.

You have a problem with Emmett joining the board?

I thought we didn't have enough footy nous on the board

You happy with the members having no say, again?

Under the constitution there is nothing under handed with the appointment. Board is allowed to replace a director who quits. Really wish people would take the time to understand how the constitution is structured and works but again that's another discussion for another time

How he was selected is another issue.

We are due an election later in the year for those directors whose terms are up if there are more candidates than vacancies

I hope we get that opportunity and  that and the "pub crew" are prepared to do this rather than reported method of them not wanting to face an election and wanting some sort pf transition to get on the board. Because we don't get a say under that scenario. Though it appears thats ok if it gets certain folks on the board

But back to this appointment as per the constitution we the members get no say on this, thats how it works and more to the point when it comes to someone quiting the board during their tenure has always worked
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Harry on August 18, 2016, 10:24:45 PM
Which directors terms are up?  Did Mathies retire or was his term up?  if his term was up why didn't they wait and let the members elect?  what's stopping those who's term is due to come up from retiring so they can sneak someone in before election.  how is this different to the pub crew transition?  how are the candidates determined - do they need to be screened by Peggy and her people?  seems we are fed chicken pellets.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 18, 2016, 10:33:53 PM
Who's directors terms are up?  Did Mathies retire or was his term up?  what's stopping those who's term is due to come up from retiring so they can sneak someone in before election.  how is this different to the pub crew transition?  how are the candidates determined - do they need to be screened by Peggy and her people?  seems we are fed chicken pellets.

Mathies retired, hence why the board can fill his position for the remainder of his term

O'Neal and Ryan are up for election this year.

I am not sure who of the board appointed directors terms expire this year

All candidates who nominate for a postion on the board are asked to present to the "Nominations Committee". If you remember last year Joe Russo refused to do that

I raised the pub crew scenario because it appears for some poeple how those people get on the board is OK

but how anyone else gets on is some sort of underhanded jobs for the boys appointment

In this case like or not, the board has followed the constitution in the Dunne appointment. There is nothong underhanded in the actually way it has happened

What IMHO needs to be better explained is how he was chosen.

Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Harry on August 18, 2016, 10:44:34 PM
IMO all new appointments should go to the members.  this needs to change.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: RedanTiger on August 18, 2016, 10:48:42 PM
Which directors terms are up?  Did Mathies retire or was his term up?  if his term was up why didn't they wait and let the members elect?  what's stopping those who's term is due to come up from retiring so they can sneak someone in before election.  how is this different to the pub crew transition?  how are the candidates determined - do they need to be screened by Peggy and her people?  seems we are fed chicken pellets.

Posted this on another site.
Further to my problem with APPOINTMENTS to the board rather than standing as alternate candidates to be elected is this:
Dalton APPOINTED to the board on 9 November 2004 to cover casual vacancy.
O'Neal APPOINTED to the board on 12 November 2005 to cover casual vacancy.
Free APPOINTED to the board in June 2008 to cover Miller vacancy.
Chadwick APPOINTED to the board on 16 December 2009 to cover Mithen vacancy.
Speed APPOINTED to the board in October 2011 to cover Cameron vacancy.
Walsh APPOINTED to the board in October 2011 to cover Lord vacancy.
Ryan APPOINTED to the board on 18 October 2013 to cover March vacancy.
O'Rourke APPOINTED to the board on 16 October 2015 to cover Walsh vacancy.

The thing that jumps out is that all but Free were appointed shortly before an AGM where the matter could be properly voted on by the members.
In view of full disclosure, O'Shannassy and Matthies were initially ELECTED to the board in the 2004 EGM spill after joining the Casey ticket while it would appear Rob Dalton also was re-elected at that EGM.

O'Shannassey must be feeling lonely.
He's the only one elected to the board and that was in the 2004 spill.

"how are the candidates determined?"
As it says in the presser from the club, Dunne was approved by the Nomination Committee. This was the committee where Dunne was the inaugural chairman.
It is now chaired by Kerry Ryan and has she, O'Neal, Dalton and an outside person (Ben Crowe) as members.

While Peggy O'Neal, who is up for re-election this year, has indicated she plans to stand for another term another long-time director, John Mathies, is expected to step aside after 12 years.

It has also emerged that the Richmond board nominations committee, whom Russo refused to meet when he challenged for the board last year, has changed its regulatory structure.

When established, the committee consisted of three external consultants and one club director. Now the committee includes three current directors - O'Neal, Rob Dalton and Kerry Ryan - along with former Gemba director and the co-founder of Unscripted.com Ben Crowe.

Under the committee rules, O'Neal and Ryan who are up for re-election this year, must both step down from the committee at the end of October.

Further to the changes to the structure, the committee originally had the following rules:
"The Club Board member on the Committee cannot fill the role as Chairperson.  An existing Club director cannot serve on the Committee if their elected term expires in that year."
The current chair is Ryan with O'Neal as a member. Both are up for re-election this year.
Since Matthies was elected (yep he was the other one elected) in 2004 I would say he was due for re-election. ie 12 years = four terms.

Dunno how this works with the board having the right to appoint one of the three directors up for re-election.

Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: DCrane on August 18, 2016, 11:11:00 PM
Good points that you make Redan. The members now have no say in the constitution of the board.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: (•))(©™ on August 18, 2016, 11:13:11 PM
Been on the tribunal panel. Lol.

Who recommended the old number 5 ?

Bringing nothing and jobs for mates as someone already said.

What a poohole.

A board of lawyers, accountants and lagging cops
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: froars on August 18, 2016, 11:17:29 PM
He might bring a few of our princesses into line - Jack facing up to Emmett lol
I'm sure the kids around Richmond back in the day still get shivers up their spine at the mention his name  ;)

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3765334.htm


Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: 🏅Dooks on August 19, 2016, 12:30:18 AM
A far right undemocratically elected board, running a far left social justice warrior haven.

Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Yeahright on August 19, 2016, 12:39:34 AM
I hear he wants to be a lawyer so he agreed to doing it to save money on going to uni
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 19, 2016, 06:39:37 AM
Which directors terms are up?  Did Mathies retire or was his term up?  if his term was up why didn't they wait and let the members elect?  what's stopping those who's term is due to come up from retiring so they can sneak someone in before election.  how is this different to the pub crew transition?  how are the candidates determined - do they need to be screened by Peggy and her people?  seems we are fed chicken pellets.

Posted this on another site.
Further to my problem with APPOINTMENTS to the board rather than standing as alternate candidates to be elected is this:
Dalton APPOINTED to the board on 9 November 2004 to cover casual vacancy.
O'Neal APPOINTED to the board on 12 November 2005 to cover casual vacancy.
Free APPOINTED to the board in June 2008 to cover Miller vacancy.
Chadwick APPOINTED to the board on 16 December 2009 to cover Mithen vacancy.
Speed APPOINTED to the board in October 2011 to cover Cameron vacancy.
Walsh APPOINTED to the board in October 2011 to cover Lord vacancy.
Ryan APPOINTED to the board on 18 October 2013 to cover March vacancy.
O'Rourke APPOINTED to the board on 16 October 2015 to cover Walsh vacancy.

The thing that jumps out is that all but Free were appointed shortly before an AGM where the matter could be properly voted on by the members.
In view of full disclosure, O'Shannassy and Matthies were initially ELECTED to the board in the 2004 EGM spill after joining the Casey ticket while it would appear Rob Dalton also was re-elected at that EGM.

O'Shannassey must be feeling lonely.
He's the only one elected to the board and that was in the 2004 spill.

"how are the candidates determined?"
As it says in the presser from the club, Dunne was approved by the Nomination Committee. This was the committee where Dunne was the inaugural chairman.
It is now chaired by Kerry Ryan and has she, O'Neal, Dalton and an outside person (Ben Crowe) as members.

While Peggy O'Neal, who is up for re-election this year, has indicated she plans to stand for another term another long-time director, John Mathies, is expected to step aside after 12 years.

It has also emerged that the Richmond board nominations committee, whom Russo refused to meet when he challenged for the board last year, has changed its regulatory structure.

When established, the committee consisted of three external consultants and one club director. Now the committee includes three current directors - O'Neal, Rob Dalton and Kerry Ryan - along with former Gemba director and the co-founder of Unscripted.com Ben Crowe.

Under the committee rules, O'Neal and Ryan who are up for re-election this year, must both step down from the committee at the end of October.

Further to the changes to the structure, the committee originally had the following rules:
"The Club Board member on the Committee cannot fill the role as Chairperson.  An existing Club director cannot serve on the Committee if their elected term expires in that year."
The current chair is Ryan with O'Neal as a member. Both are up for re-election this year.
Since Matthies was elected (yep he was the other one elected) in 2004 I would say he was due for re-election. ie 12 years = four terms.

Dunno how this works with the board having the right to appoint one of the three directors up for re-election.

Sorry but some of that info is incorrect

Both O'Shannassy and Chadwick are currently elected board members. Both faced the members last year and were elected. So to say they were not elected is incorrect. Yes how they first got on was via appointment but currently both are fully elected board members

And if you want to go down a completely technically correct path every other directors outside of O'Rourke & Ryan are "elected" because they have served their terms, faced re-election and have been returned unopposed because there no other candidates to force an actual election. Yes it's a technicality but it is to the terms the constitution the facts of their collective tenures

I get the point you are making but to say no one on the board outside of O'Shannassy has been duly elected to the board is not correct IMHO
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Harry on August 19, 2016, 08:46:31 AM
The problem WP is that once they're in it's pretty hard to get them out.  They are screened and selected by the current board members and then when their term is up they play the stability card and heaven forbid any member would want to rock the stable boat.  Would imagine (and I think someone here mentioned it) it's quite intimidating going against the grain at the AGM.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: RedanTiger on August 19, 2016, 09:33:36 AM
Sorry but some of that info is incorrect

Both O'Shannassy and Chadwick are currently elected board members. Both faced the members last year and were elected. So to say they were not elected is incorrect. Yes how they first got on was via appointment but currently both are fully elected board members

And if you want to go down a completely technically correct path every other directors outside of O'Rourke & Ryan are "elected" because they have served their terms, faced re-election and have been returned unopposed because there no other candidates to force an actual election. Yes it's a technicality but it is to the terms the constitution the facts of their collective tenures

I get the point you are making but to say no one on the board outside of O'Shannassy has been duly elected to the board is not correct IMHO

Depends on how you interpret the phrase "elected to the board".
You say in your post that "they have served their terms, faced re-election".
Your point is that the directors were RE-ELECTED to the board after they were initially APPOINTED to the board.
The very same point I made which you claim was incorrect.
In any election there is a huge advantage to incumbency. You ignore this.

There is also the minor point that these directors as you say "served their terms" but in many of the cases as referred to in my previous post these terms were only the monthly remains of the directors they replaced. For example Dunne will replace Matthies from September till the AGM in December and face RE-ELECTION in December, the 3 months remaining of a 3 year term.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 19, 2016, 11:56:10 AM
The problem WP is that once they're in it's pretty hard to get them out. 

That's why the vote on constitutional changes a few years back was so important and people's failure to exercise their right to vote is now biting us.

One of the other charges was allowing the board to appoint directors. Was always going to create a "jobs for the boys/girls" scenario

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They are screened and selected by the current board members and then when their term is up they play the stability card and heaven forbid any member would want to rock the stable boat.  Would imagine (and I think someone here mentioned it) it's quite intimidating going against the grain at the AGM.

Sorry but the last bit I can't accept Harry.

Firstly elections for the board are not held at the AGM they held prior to the AGM any voting is anonymous so where is the intimidation factor?

Also, if you want to nominate and getting grilled by a committee is going to put you off something you truly believe (that is your intentions are for all the right reasons) then perhaps your no cut out for the gig anyway. The committee can't stop anyone from nominating so if someone wants to do it they can.

Finally as Russo proved last year if you nominate you don't have to go through interview process so if you for whatever reason you don't want to face them you don't. So I don't see how where you get this intimidation factor from to be honest
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 19, 2016, 12:12:29 PM

Depends on how you interpret the phrase "elected to the board".

Agree

Quote

You say in your post that "they have served their terms, faced re-election".
Your point is that the directors were RE-ELECTED to the board after they were initially APPOINTED to the board.
The very same point I made which you claim was incorrect.
In any election there is a huge advantage to incumbency. You ignore this.

Also agree with your comment on incumbency. That is the nature of things especially at footy clubs

But my view is and this is obviously where we don't agree is this:

You are correct regarding how they first got on the board. That is not in dispute as it is very much fact. But once that initial term is over then any term after that IMESHO is they become "elected" or "re-elected" directors and that was my point

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There is also the minor point that these directors as you say "served their terms" but in many of the cases as referred to in my previous post these terms were only the monthly remains of the directors they replaced. For example Dunne will replace Matthies from September till the AGM in December and face RE-ELECTION in December, the 3 months remaining of a 3 year term.

Yep and if the pub crew have the courage to nominate rather than wanting to just get on the board via some brokered deal then we will all get a say

And hopefully this time unlike previous occasions people will actually bother to vote, rather than sook that they never get a say
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Harry on August 19, 2016, 12:37:05 PM
Was referring to voting against the constitution changes put forward at the AGM.  No doubt this was changed to give more power to the incumbents. As members we need to change this as we need more say in the goings on at our club. 
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 19, 2016, 01:31:52 PM
Was referring to voting against the constitution changes put forward at the AGM.  No doubt this was changed to give more power to the incumbents. As members we need to change this as we need more say in the goings on at our club.

Ok gotcha

But still think no matter how supposedly intimidated people felt /feel to use that as excuse not to vote is wrong.

 Seriously what can the club do if everyone puts their collective hands to say No? Nothing

And again my view but the last vote on constitutional changes and the result had absolutely nothing to do with intimidation but everythomg to do wth complacency and not caring enough to vote
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: (•))(©™ on August 19, 2016, 01:41:49 PM
U know what Willy,
 I love YA but you're too by the book.

Sometimes you just Gotta say "stuff this and stuff them"
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Harry on August 19, 2016, 02:56:31 PM
Sorry WP, I was probably at the black sea in my speedos at the time so you're probably right I didn’t give a stuff.  The board probably realised they could pull a swifty for their own advantage and no one would care enough to oppose it.  "Hey we did everything above board, what ya complaining about" lol.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Owl on August 19, 2016, 04:35:38 PM
Harry Bolsakinass in his stuffing speedo's there's a picture to keep you bastards up screaming at night
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Harry on August 19, 2016, 05:00:14 PM
Enjoy the mental image owl, it's on me.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: 1980 on August 19, 2016, 07:34:12 PM
Dunne is a good appointment. Premiership player, successful career. Everything Tiny Free is not.

But Peggy's quote on his appointment speaks volumes to me.....

"He brings a particularly strong skill set in areas such as ethical leadership, culture and capability, integrity and security"

She and Gale have destroyed the culture of this footy club. We will never be successful until we go back to being ruthless and hated. Its what bred success at our club. We were haters and everyone hated us. Hopefully Dunne remembers that because that other interfering prick Michael Green sure as hell has. 
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Harry on August 19, 2016, 09:10:22 PM

“He brings a particularly strong skill set in areas such as ethical leadership, culture and capability, integrity and security – areas of paramount importance in the modern game.”


Missed this the first time round. 

Is she referring to ball security?
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: Diocletian on August 20, 2016, 11:53:18 AM
32 years later and he's still the best ruckman at the club.
Title: Re: Emmett Dunne to Join RFC Board
Post by: TigerMonk on August 20, 2016, 07:13:19 PM
Used to smash us at the Tribunal &  now his going to smash the brick walls from inside. BACKWARDS  :banghead