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Title: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on November 25, 2016, 08:40:38 PM
Welcome Jack  :)
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Post by: one-eyed on November 25, 2016, 08:42:12 PM
Jack Graham

(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/2016-GRAHAM-Jack.jpg)


Player bio

Former club:   North Adelaide
Age:   -
Height:   183cm
Weight:   83kg
Position:   Midfielder

2016 U18 Stats
Games:   4
Goals:   -
Avg Kicks:   13.5
Avg Marks:   3
Avg Hballs:   11.5

Graham was rewarded for a consistent NAB AFL Under-18s carnival by being named the Larke medallist at this year's championships as the leading player in division one. He averaged 25 disposals, five clearances and five tackles across the carnival. The hard-at-it and robust midfielder is a reliable player. You can count on him to attack the ball hard and get it going his side's way with his long kicking and hard running.

http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-tracker
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Post by: WilliamPowell on November 25, 2016, 08:43:06 PM
I think the talking heads just mentioned that Graham won something during the u18 carnival

And said good late pick

We havent asked for extra time for either of our picks thus far suggest we are grabbing the ones we thought would be at our picks
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on November 25, 2016, 08:43:19 PM
Play him at half back, ease him into the game like an old man into a hot bath
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Post by: wayne on November 25, 2016, 08:44:14 PM
Steal.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerMonk on November 25, 2016, 08:44:28 PM
North Adelaide player with a good build
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on November 25, 2016, 08:46:16 PM
Glad we took an inside mid ....hope he goes better than the last bloke we had with that surname...
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Post by: TigerLand on November 25, 2016, 08:48:44 PM
Absolute STEEEEEEEEEEEAL!!! Hows he gone to 53????

Larke Medalist!

Been 16 years since a Larke Medalist wasn't in top 7 picks... and he feel through to 53...... and to us lol.... Wow. Great get.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerMonk on November 25, 2016, 08:51:14 PM
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/18ac6459645f4d41b3a198d7fcdbca60?width=1024)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerLand on November 25, 2016, 08:51:51 PM
This kid already walks into out top 10 players.

Lol. Pick 53.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerMonk on November 25, 2016, 08:53:01 PM
South Australian captain l'm very happy with the picks this year
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Post by: tony_montana on November 25, 2016, 08:53:32 PM
Fox had him rated around pick 23/24.

Anyone have any idea why he slid so much?

We called his name out pretty quickly straight after west coasts pick and there was a bit of back slapping going on, they definitely looked chuffed we got him
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 25, 2016, 08:53:48 PM
 :clapping
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Post by: wayne on November 25, 2016, 08:54:45 PM
Glad we took an inside mid ....hope he goes better than the last bloke we had with that surname...

Can he do a full body cramp like Gus?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerMonk on November 25, 2016, 08:55:31 PM
Fox had him rated around pick 23/24.

Anyone have any idea why he slid so much?

We called his name out pretty quickly straight after west coasts pick and there was a bit of back slapping going on, they definitely looked chuffed we got him

Possible early year injury
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Penelope on November 25, 2016, 08:56:10 PM
if it seems too good to be true......

whats the knock on this bloke?
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Post by: dwaino on November 25, 2016, 08:57:32 PM
Never that knowledgable on the drafts outside the well known top 10-20 and admit I knew nothing about this bloke. Why did he slide so much? Seems like a steal but surely there are question marks for every club to pass him at least once.

The old man just messaged me saying apparently Graham had a quad injury. Is that all?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerMonk on November 25, 2016, 08:58:55 PM
Building a extremely strong midfield. l hope they take a taller player to replace Riewoldt down the track like next year  :snidegrin
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Post by: TigerMonk on November 25, 2016, 09:02:58 PM
Never that knowledgable on the drafts outside the well known top 10-20 and admit I knew nothing about this bloke. Why did he slide so much? Seems like a steal but surely there are question marks for every club to pass him at least once.

The old man just messaged me saying apparently Graham had a quad injury. Is that all?

Yes he was injured early on but no-one cares he was outstanding in the carnival.  He was S.A. captain & won the medal so he has leadership skills & his a cracking kick like that Dew used to be. It's obvious clubs have just missed this player probably eye's on Little Willie maybe who Eagles took
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Post by: Penelope on November 25, 2016, 09:04:23 PM
id say its obvious those clubs know something we dont
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Post by: Loui Tufga on November 25, 2016, 09:09:03 PM
He can't kick.
Has a real up and under style Grigg like.
Can certainly get the ball but what he does with it is a worry.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: dwaino on November 25, 2016, 09:10:17 PM
He can't kick.
Has a real up and under style Grigg like.
Can certainly get the ball but what he does with it is a worry.

So more like Tucky?
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Post by: Raoul Duke on November 25, 2016, 09:10:28 PM
He can't kick.
Has a real up and under style Grigg like.
Can certainly get the ball but what he does with it is a worry.
Reckon thats a pretty good description Loui.
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on November 25, 2016, 09:11:26 PM
if it seems too good to be true......

whats the knock on this bloke?

Richmond drafted him?
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Post by: tony_montana on November 25, 2016, 09:12:45 PM
Ando had him at pick38 in his phantom draft

 https://www.sen.com.au/news/2016/11/14/top-50-prospects-for-2016-afl-draft-26-50/    (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2016/11/14/top-50-prospects-for-2016-afl-draft-26-50/)

Ht: 180.3cm | Wt: 81.1kg | Inside Midfielder | North Adelaide

A strong-bodied midfielder, the 2016 Larke Medallist is an intriguing prospect. is a good two-way worker and spreads well enough from the contest. He positions himself well at stoppages and helps to organise teammates, which demonstrates his leadership qualities. In some ways he got by at times thanks to his size and physicality at under 18 level, but due to injuries (which are a worry), wasn’t able to play any league football this year with the Roosters. His dad Jeff played with West Torrens and Woodville in the late 1980s and early 90s.

Strengths: tenacity, work-rate, ball winning.

Needs to improve: kicking, injuries.

Injuries: Quad in 2015. Quad in August – didn't test at combine.

Combine test results: Repeat Sprint – N/A. 20m Sprint – N/A. Agility – N/A. Beep Test – N/A. 3km TT – N/A.

Draft range: 20-40.

What they say: “A hard working midfielder who pushes himself to the contest throughout a game and is relentless in pursuit of the ball. Played reserves for us this year but has played a senior game despite the injury.” – North Adelaide football development manager Neil Sanders.
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Post by: TigerLand on November 25, 2016, 09:15:24 PM
Lenny Hayes.
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Post by: tony_montana on November 25, 2016, 09:17:00 PM
Shifter Sheehan had him going at pick 16

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-11-18/shifter-sheehans-draft-top-40  (http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-11-18/shifter-sheehans-draft-top-40)

16. Jack Graham
Tea Tree Gully/North Adelaide (South Australia)
25/2/1998 Height: 180cm Weight: 81kg

Strong-bodied and hard-working midfielder/forward who wins contested ball and uses it well by hand and foot. Captained South Australia and was awarded his team's Most Valuable Player, as well as winning the Larke Medal (Division One Best and Fairest). Member of the NAB AFL Academy.


Emma Quayle didn't have him in her top 30
And buck ears didn't have him in his top 50.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Penelope on November 25, 2016, 09:22:26 PM
there has to be something besides his kicking?

geez he looks to have good hands and awareness in traffic
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Post by: The Machine on November 25, 2016, 09:25:15 PM
Will add to our midfield and wins his own pill. Kicking is not a weapon but it is fine as he mainly an in and under player. Good get!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: dwaino on November 25, 2016, 09:25:29 PM
He is a man child. Anyone checked his birth certificate?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: tony_montana on November 25, 2016, 09:29:41 PM
He can't kick.
Has a real up and under style Grigg like.
Can certainly get the ball but what he does with it is a worry.

Saw his highlights, don't think he kicks like Grigg tbh, certainly seems to blaze away a fair bit but there is penetration in his long kicks unlike Griggs 9 irons.

Love his attack on the ball and the way he hits the packs and ball at full pace. Looks explosive out of traffic too. Strong boy

Champion data had him as the second most metres gained in the championship and equal most possessions.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on November 25, 2016, 09:33:45 PM
I'll take a tough inside ball winner kicking up & unders over a soft outside squib kicking them....in other words I'll take another Shane Tuck over another Shaun Grigg...
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Owl on November 25, 2016, 10:26:49 PM
Replacement for Yaz or Concs on the long term injury list
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Post by: Penelope on November 25, 2016, 10:30:17 PM
 :ROTFL
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Post by: Diocletian on November 25, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
Replacement for Yaz or Concs on the long term injury list

Yeah but a lot cheaper...
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Post by: Yeahright on November 26, 2016, 12:16:56 AM
id say its obvious those clubs know something we dont

Mental health :shh :lol

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Yeahright on November 26, 2016, 12:18:36 AM
He can't kick.
Has a real up and under style Grigg like.
Can certainly get the ball but what he does with it is a worry.

Saw his highlights, don't think he kicks like Grigg tbh

Watch Griggs highlights and even he doesn't look like he kicks like Grigg
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Post by: one-eyed on November 26, 2016, 03:17:46 AM
VIDEOS:

Jack Graham v VC (2016 Under 18 Championships):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrAM0GU2d5g

Jack Graham SA U18 v SA U20:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZOgiezPMkc

McDonald's SA U18 captain Jack Graham (31) v WA, June 2016:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzykilUka-A

McDonald's SA U18 captain Jack Graham (31) v Vic Metro, June 2016:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRo5NlUkiew
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on November 26, 2016, 03:24:48 AM
PICS:

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(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2016/06/24/450442.jpg) (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2016/06/24/450965.jpg)
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2016/06/24/450601.jpg) (http://nnimgt-a.akamaihd.net/transform/v1/crop/frm/w9qsSAVumVxqyCiyw3G2iR/d5cccc3c-7a7c-4796-83a7-d51c84f75541.jpg/r0_65_1280_785_w1200_h678_fmax.jpg)
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2016/06/23/449972.jpg) (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2016/06/23/449974.jpg)
(http://nnimgt-a.akamaihd.net/transform/v1/crop/frm/w9qsSAVumVxqyCiyw3G2iR/a8816dc4-b80f-41ed-9c98-79ffdc5e0c3c.jpg/r0_56_1280_776_w1200_h678_fmax.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmGhw9vXEAIIsjn.jpg)
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on November 26, 2016, 03:50:49 AM
Jack Graham
North Adelaide (SANFL), 181cm, 81kg

VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-11-25/2016-draft-pick-53-jack-graham-jrz

A big-bodied inside midfielder, Graham has the physical attributes to step straight into an AFL midfield group in 2017 and have an immediate impact.

His manic workrate and appetite for the contest will hold him in good stead, as it did during the under-18 national championships, where he walked away with the Larke Medal, as the standout player in the competition, averaging 25 disposals per game throughout the carnival.

While he lacks some overall polish, he more than compensates through his relentless attack on the football, competitiveness, and presence around the stoppages.

Graham’s repeat running ability enables him to have an impact, both inside and outside the contest.

He has leadership qualities written all over him, and will be one to watch in season 2017.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-11-25/pick-56
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Post by: one-eyed on November 26, 2016, 04:21:31 AM
Pre-draft news articles:

SA captain Jack Graham chasing the respect his Larke Medal deserves

ANDREW CAPEL,
The Advertiser
November 11, 2016 6:30pm



JACK Graham feels disrespected and “confused’’.

SA’s first Larke Medallist since 2002 and just the state’s fourth ever, Graham has read the early national draft predictions and is disappointed that most don’t view him as a top-20 pick this year.

This is despite the Larke Medal — awarded to the best division one player at the AFL under-18 championships — traditionally making its winner a sky-high selection.

Since 2005, the Larke Medallist has eight times been drafted with either the first or second pick. Examples include Carlton captain Marc Murphy, Melbourne pair Jack Watts and Christian Petracca and Giants duo Stephen Coniglio and Lachie Whitfield.

“It is a bit confusing and I guess you do question whether you are good enough,’’ said North Adelaide’s Graham, who captained SA at this year’s championships and earned All-Australian selection.

“I’ve done some research on where Larke Medallists have been drafted before and seeing that and then where I’ve been rated has been a bit disappointing.

“But I try not to think about it too much because my goal is just to get on an AFL list, whether it’s at pick one or pick 100.’’

SA high performance manager Brenton Phillips also is at a loss to understand why Graham doesn’t appear to be on clubs’ radar as a high-end pick.

He likens the 18-year-old big-bodied midfielder, the son of former West Torrens and Woodville-West Torrens utility Jeff Graham, who played 77 games between 1987-92, to four-times Hawthorn premiership star Luke Hodge.

Phillips is convinced natural leader Graham will have a stellar AFL career.

“He’s a Luke Hodge-type, a really hard, inside, contested-ball winner who probably spreads a bit harder than Hodge,’’ Phillips said.

“He’s a terrific competitor who once the ball is bounced imposes himself on the contest and just finds a way to get the footy.’’
Strong ... Jack Graham gets his handball away dor South Australia against Vic Country. Picture: Mark Stewart

The knock on Graham, it appears, is that he already is physically well developed at 183cm and 83kg and might not be able to bully men as he has players of his own age group.

But the same was said of just-retired Fremantle champion Matthew Pavlich when he was coming through the under-age ranks at Woodville-West Torrens.

Both Adelaide and Port Adelaide infamously overlooked Pavlich when he was draft-eligible as a 17-year-old in 1998 before he was grabbed by the Dockers at pick four the following year.

He went on to become a champion, setting club records in games (353) and goals (700) for Fremantle.

Graham also has had some durability issues and missed the AFL draft combine with a strained quad muscle.

“Given he’s already got that big body I guess some AFL clubs are uncertain how he will translate to the AFL,’’ said Phillips.

“But he’ll be fine. He’s a competitor, a great young man and he’ll find a way to compete at that level, don’t worry about that.’’

Graham, who this year became the first Croweater to win the Larke Medal since West Adelaide’s Byron Schammer in 2002 — Schammer was selected by the Dockers at pick 13 in that year’s draft — also was voted as SA’s MVP, illustrating his leadership values in a side that finished second.

Physically he is ready to step straight into AFL ranks next year.

“It’s just made me more hungry; I want to prove a few people wrong,’’ Graham said of not getting the recognition his medal should dictate.

He has cut his teeth as an inside midfielder but has worked hard on his outside game and two-way running to become a more complete player.

“I like winning the hard ball but I’ve improved my running and outside game a lot so that I feel comfortable to also play at halfback and on the wing,’’ he said.

“You have to be versatile in modern footy and I think I’ve got to the stage now where I can play in various positions.’’

FLYING HIGH


Since 2005 the winner of the Larke Medal has been drafted inside the top-four nine times, including four No. 1 selections and four No. 2 picks, illustrating the value placed on a dominant championships campaign.

Year    Player    Team    Draft No.    Club
2005    Marc Murphy    Vic Metro    1    Carlton
2006    Tom Hawkins    Vic Metro    41*    Geelong
2007    Cale Morton    14.0    4    Melbourne
2008    Jack Watts    Vic Metro    1    Melbourne
2009 **    David Swallow    WA    1    Gold Coast
   Andrew Hooper    Vic Country    35#    W. Bulldogs
2010    Harley Bennell    WA    2    Gold Coast
2011    Stephen Coniglio    WA    2    GWS
2012    Lachie Whitfield    Vic Country    1    GWS
2013    Dom Sheed    WA    11    West Coast
2014    Christian Petracca    Vic Metro    2    Melbourne
2015    Josh Schache    Vic Country    2    Brisbane
2016    Jack Graham    SA    ?    

** Joint winners

* Father-son pick

# Rookie draft

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/sport/sa-captain-jack-graham-chasing-the-respect-his-larke-medal-deserves/news-story/804a262fed1f3cfabcbff20ad9c355a2
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Post by: one-eyed on November 26, 2016, 04:25:50 AM
Champion Data’s top 12 SA draft prospects

1. Jack Graham, midfielder (North Adelaide).

Champion says:
“An elite ballwinner, averaged 25 disposals at the national championships — the equal most of any player. Has an even balance in ball winning ability, averaging 11 contested possessions and 15 uncontested possessions.’’

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/plenty-of-midrange-talent-but-sa-might-not-have-a-top20-draft-pick-for-the-first-time-in-15-years/news-story/dd647a89da43ffaa4567b4a19a2b9feb

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MAGNIFICENT SEVEN

SA’s top 2016 AFL draft prospects


Jack Graham

North Adelaide

Midfielder, 18, 182cm, 86kg

AFL Academy squad member

Brenton Phillips: “A tough inside midfielder who is a bit of a bull. He goes really hard and attacks the contest and the player with the ball with ferocity. When he wins the footy he is able to use it pretty well too.’’

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/local-footy-sa/sanfl/jarman-and-scharenberg-headline-sas-next-crop-of-stars/news-story/06c2408eec26d3d3c9d085b7bc9cb245
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on November 26, 2016, 04:33:42 AM
From a Crows fan on BF:

Graham is a beast when he is top dog in the side. He loves to be the leader and plays like it. But when he's not, we'll he really struggles to step it up with better players around him. His SANFL reserves form was less than inspiring and never truly destroyed SANFL under 18's like he should. His champs were truly big for him and I strongly believe he relished that leadership because it's one of his strengths. Takes him to the next level. He's certainly got the strength and muscle to play next year but aside from being great at the contest, he's not well skilled not much of an athlete. Bit of a plodder in a sense. Tough as nails though.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/winners-and-losers.1153048/page-3#post-47931755
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Post by: Diocletian on November 26, 2016, 05:04:36 AM
(https://proxy.bigfooty.com/forum/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.gettyimages.com%2Fphotos%2Fmark-graham-happy-about-being-picked-up-by-richmond-20th-november-picture-id539527159&hash=5c2c5ac2a3760233d173fe20a682b3bc)

18 going on 38...
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: tony_montana on November 26, 2016, 07:15:59 AM
He can't kick.
Has a real up and under style Grigg like.
Can certainly get the ball but what he does with it is a worry.

Saw his highlights, don't think he kicks like Grigg tbh

Watch Griggs highlights and even he doesn't look like he kicks like Grigg

If grigg passed the ball to me when you wrote this post, I'd still be waiting for it to reach me now.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: dwaino on November 26, 2016, 08:43:28 AM
 E
He can't kick.
Has a real up and under style Grigg like.
Can certainly get the ball but what he does with it is a worry.

Saw his highlights, don't think he kicks like Grigg tbh

Watch Griggs highlights and even he doesn't look like he kicks like Grigg

If grigg passed the ball to me when you wrote this post, I'd still be waiting for it to reach me now.

 :lol



The more I read about this one the better it is. A lot of clubs would say it about their late picks but he really is a steal at 53. Great physique already and no reason why he can't play a handful of games next year.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on November 26, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
I like the fact he has a football pedigree in the way he plays. Also love the kick in the guts he took personally that a Larke medallist went so low
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on November 26, 2016, 01:33:20 PM
As I said - even he did kick like Grigg, better from an in and under player than an outside (one-way) runner....

(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/05/31/1226377/886017-shane-tuck.jpg)

 :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Willy on November 26, 2016, 01:34:02 PM
Really happy with this pick.
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 26, 2016, 02:10:46 PM
Really happy with this pick.
Yep. Has mental strength too.  :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Owl on November 26, 2016, 03:55:44 PM
agreed, good pick for 53, will want to stick it up em and we will want to watch while he does it.  Beast in the making.
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Post by: Ruanaidh on November 27, 2016, 07:54:51 AM
Solid pick
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Owl on November 27, 2016, 08:28:59 AM
really happy with this prick
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on November 27, 2016, 08:39:26 AM
Get the feeling he wont be the complete package but for pick 53 WGAF.

And if he keeps guys like Conca and friends out of the side on merit then its a plus.
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Post by: eliminator on November 27, 2016, 03:48:40 PM
happy with this selection. Good luck to him.
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Post by: tony_montana on November 27, 2016, 05:20:35 PM
really happy with this prick

prick or pick?  ;D
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Post by: one-eyed on November 27, 2016, 09:29:20 PM
New Tiger Jack Graham joins Rooster teammate Oleg Markov at Richmond

Matt Turner,
The Advertiser
November 27, 2016


DINNER is on Oleg Markov when Jack Graham reunites with his former North Adelaide teammate at Richmond.

Graham was tipped to be a top-30 selection at Friday night’s AFL National Draft but the inside midfielder was forced to wait anxiously until the Tigers selected him with pick 53.

A short time later, close friend and ex-Rooster Markov congratulated him via text.

“Oleg said ‘Monday, dinner’s on me’,” Graham, 18, says.

“I’m pretty stoked to get to see him again.

“We were pretty close, he’s a great bloke and I’m sure he’ll take me under his wing.

“(Tigers captain) Trent Cotchin also sent me a message, saying ‘welcome to Tigerland’.

“Straight away all the boys have made me feel welcome and it’s a great feeling.”

This past season Graham became the first Croweater in 14 years to win the Larke Medal for the best division one player at the national under-18 titles.

The SA captain averaged 25.3 disposals during the championships and was named in the under-18 all-Australian team.

He was linked to Brisbane’s mid-20s selections in the lead-up to the draft and Essendon spoke with him on Friday.

But the Lions and Bombers overlooked him, leaving the Tigers to pounce.

For a while, Graham thought he might have to wait until Monday’s rookie draft to find an AFL home.

“You never know really with the draft,” he says.

“I was getting a bit nervous but I’m over the moon that Richmond picked me up.

“At the end of the day, we all start out on the same line.”

Graham — the son of former West Torrens player Jeff Graham — watched the draft at home in Greenwith with friends and family.

He says his heart sank a little bit when his name was called.

“I couldn’t believe it — the dream kind of came true,” he says.

“Mum was like all mums, over the moon and jumping for joy.

“Dad gave me the old handshake and hug, and just said ‘congratulations’.”

Graham was stunned to be one of just four homegrown Croweaters taken on Friday.

The others were Roosters teammate Will Hayward (Sydney), Woodville-West Torrens defender Brennan Cox (Fremantle) and Sturt basketball convert Lewis Young (Western Bulldogs).

“Some of the talent we had at the national champs was great and I’m surprised some of the other boys didn’t get picked up,” he says.

“I thought there was going to be a lot more than four.”

Graham, who stands 183cm and 83kg, will head to Melbourne on Sunday.

He says being selected later in the draft will motivate him during his first AFL pre-season.

“You just want to go out there and put your best foot forward,” he says.

“I’m looking forward to getting to know the boys and making sure I get their respect.”

(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a000e466bc25e0a457ffcee9740d3a22?width=650)
Jack Graham, drafted to Richmond, with his mum Sue, sister Keeley (10) and dad Jeff.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/new-tiger-jack-graham-joins-rooster-teammate-oleg-markov-at-richmond/news-story/c5ebba82905deda7923abf0b1d5a06c4
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Post by: Yeahright on November 27, 2016, 10:37:37 PM
really happy with this prick

prick or pick?  ;D

Hopefully both* :shh

*On field that is. We can't have someone not signing a good autograph
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Post by: Sticky Fingers on November 27, 2016, 11:23:58 PM
The more I read about this kid, the more I wonder if we have drafted some coverage for Dusty in the event we lose him to free agency.

Apparently at least one WA club didn't rate him as highly as the media did because of a belief he shone at the U18 champs on the back of his ability to impose himself physically on games which he is unlikely to be able to do at AFL level.

I have no doubt he is a good pick at 53. But I have a feeling he is more likely to be Anthony Banik than Dusty Martin.
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Post by: dwaino on November 27, 2016, 11:32:02 PM
New Tiger Jack Graham joins Rooster teammate Oleg Markov at Richmond

Matt Turner,
The Advertiser
November 27, 2016


DINNER is on Oleg Markov when Jack Graham reunites with his former North Adelaide teammate at Richmond.

Graham was tipped to be a top-30 selection at Friday night’s AFL National Draft but the inside midfielder was forced to wait anxiously until the Tigers selected him with pick 53.

A short time later, close friend and ex-Rooster Markov congratulated him via text.

“Oleg said ‘Monday, dinner’s on me’,” Graham, 18, says.

“I’m pretty stoked to get to see him again.

“We were pretty close, he’s a great bloke and I’m sure he’ll take me under his wing.

“(Tigers captain) Trent Cotchin also sent me a message, saying ‘welcome to Tigerland’.

“Straight away all the boys have made me feel welcome and it’s a great feeling.”

This past season Graham became the first Croweater in 14 years to win the Larke Medal for the best division one player at the national under-18 titles.

The SA captain averaged 25.3 disposals during the championships and was named in the under-18 all-Australian team.

He was linked to Brisbane’s mid-20s selections in the lead-up to the draft and Essendon spoke with him on Friday.

But the Lions and Bombers overlooked him, leaving the Tigers to pounce.

For a while, Graham thought he might have to wait until Monday’s rookie draft to find an AFL home.

“You never know really with the draft,” he says.

“I was getting a bit nervous but I’m over the moon that Richmond picked me up.

“At the end of the day, we all start out on the same line.”

Graham — the son of former West Torrens player Jeff Graham — watched the draft at home in Greenwith with friends and family.

He says his heart sank a little bit when his name was called.

“I couldn’t believe it — the dream kind of came true,” he says.

“Mum was like all mums, over the moon and jumping for joy.

“Dad gave me the old handshake and hug, and just said ‘congratulations’.”

Graham was stunned to be one of just four homegrown Croweaters taken on Friday.

The others were Roosters teammate Will Hayward (Sydney), Woodville-West Torrens defender Brennan Cox (Fremantle) and Sturt basketball convert Lewis Young (Western Bulldogs).

“Some of the talent we had at the national champs was great and I’m surprised some of the other boys didn’t get picked up,” he says.

“I thought there was going to be a lot more than four.”

Graham, who stands 183cm and 83kg, will head to Melbourne on Sunday.

He says being selected later in the draft will motivate him during his first AFL pre-season.

“You just want to go out there and put your best foot forward,” he says.

“I’m looking forward to getting to know the boys and making sure I get their respect.”

(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a000e466bc25e0a457ffcee9740d3a22?width=650)
Jack Graham, drafted to Richmond, with his mum Sue, sister Keeley (10) and dad Jeff.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/new-tiger-jack-graham-joins-rooster-teammate-oleg-markov-at-richmond/news-story/c5ebba82905deda7923abf0b1d5a06c4

Is that his son on the right?
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Post by: the claw on November 28, 2016, 12:24:37 AM
E
He can't kick.
Has a real up and under style Grigg like.
Can certainly get the ball but what he does with it is a worry.

Saw his highlights, don't think he kicks like Grigg tbh

Watch Griggs highlights and even he doesn't look like he kicks like Grigg

If grigg passed the ball to me when you wrote this post, I'd still be waiting for it to reach me now.

 :lol



The more I read about this one the better it is. A lot of clubs would say it about their late picks but he really is a steal at 53. Great physique already and no reason why he can't play a handful of games next year.
Reckon there were others just like him still there but hey when you only have three nd picks and only one is inside the top 50 you are gunna miss out.
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Post by: FlashGordon on November 28, 2016, 09:12:45 AM
For the pick we had, we had to take the risk.  Left quad tear then a right quad tear. But he produced on a llimted prep so if we can manage his injuries, might be a diamond in the rough. Problem with that is that if has anything going for him, the coach will run him into the ground and burn him out like he has a few already.
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Post by: one-eyed on November 28, 2016, 02:55:20 PM
Glowing comparison for new SA Tiger

afl.com.au
28 November 2016


South Australian high performance manager Brenton Phillips sees strong similarities between Richmond’s second pick in the 2016 AFL National Draft Jack Graham and one of the greats of the game’s modern era.

Phillips, who coached the SA side in the 2016 under-18 national championships, where the big-bodied, young North Adelaide midfielder was a standout, winning the Larke Medal for being the best player at the carnival, and gaining All-Australian selection, likens him to Hawthorn’s four-time premiership champion Luke Hodge.

“He’s a Luke Hodge-type, a really hard, inside, contested-ball winner, who probably spreads a bit harder than Hodge,” Phillips said.

“He’s a terrific competitor who, once the ball is bounced, imposes himself on the contest and just finds a way to get the footy . . .

“Jack has outstanding work ethic and consistency, along with a good mix of contested ball and outside creativity.

“His general game sense and endurance are impressive.

“While his pace is okay, he compensates for any issues in this area with his ball-reading ability and leadership.”

Although Graham has encountered problems with a quad injury that forced him to miss the AFL draft combine at the end of the 2016 season, Phillips isn’t the slightest bit concerned about the 18-year-old’s future prospects at the game’s highest level with Richmond.

“Given he’s already got that big body, I guess some AFL clubs were uncertain how he would translate to the AFL,” Phillips said.

“But he’ll be fine. He’s a competitor, a great young man, and he’ll find a way to compete at that level, don’t worry about that.”

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-11-28/glowing-comparison-for-new-sa-tiger-
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Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2016, 04:05:12 PM

Croweater's I've spoken to reckon he's more like Ricciuto....anyway, don't let Halfstep see the Hodge comparison - he'll send him straight to half back...
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 28, 2016, 04:16:34 PM

Croweater's I've spoken to reckon he's more like Ricciuto....anyway, don't let Halfstep see the Hodge comparison - he'll send him straight to half back...
Oh look...we need a Luke Hodge type off half back....
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Post by: Yeahright on November 28, 2016, 05:35:16 PM

Croweater's I've spoken to reckon he's more like Ricciuto....anyway, don't let Halfstep see the Hodge comparison - he'll send him straight to half back...
Oh look...we need a Luke Hodge type off half back....

I thought that's why Vlas was back there? Can always do with two I guess
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Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2016, 08:38:48 PM
Before everyone get's too excited, the two previous Larke medalists drafted by us were Kayne Pettifer & Paddy Steinfort...  :shh
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Post by: Owl on November 28, 2016, 09:37:21 PM
3rd times a charm oh crusher of dreams.
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 28, 2016, 09:37:42 PM
Before everyone get's too excited, the two previous Larke medalists drafted by us were Kayne Pettifer & Paddy Steinfort...  :shh
Where they captains of their state?
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Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2016, 09:40:59 PM
Spiritual leaders.... :shh
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Post by: Owl on November 28, 2016, 09:42:41 PM
does he fit the go home profile?
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 28, 2016, 09:45:52 PM
Spiritual leaders.... :shh
:lol
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Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2016, 09:47:42 PM
does he fit the go home profile?


Yes -  which is why we should only draft Vic Metro players henceforth from next year...
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Post by: Owl on November 28, 2016, 10:21:37 PM
We could just smash a bottle over his head and dump him in Frankston on the weekends I think they speak the same language as crow eaters
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Post by: FlashGordon on November 29, 2016, 10:17:19 AM

Croweater's I've spoken to reckon he's more like Ricciuto....anyway, don't let Halfstep see the Hodge comparison - he'll send him straight to half back...

I have heard that he is a cross  between Ricciuto, Jarman with a touch of Nigel Smart
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Post by: Yeahright on November 29, 2016, 04:12:51 PM

Croweater's I've spoken to reckon he's more like Ricciuto....anyway, don't let Halfstep see the Hodge comparison - he'll send him straight to half back...

I have heard that he is a cross  between Ricciuto, Jarman with a touch of Nigel Smart

And Brownlow medal superstars Judd, Ablett and Cotchin. Whoa :shh
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 29, 2016, 04:14:09 PM
Better put money on him for the 2017 Brownlow. Imagine the odds you'd get! :shh
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Post by: Sticky Fingers on November 29, 2016, 10:37:44 PM

Croweater's I've spoken to reckon he's more like Ricciuto....anyway, don't let Halfstep see the Hodge comparison - he'll send him straight to half back...

I have heard that he is a cross  between Ricciuto, Jarman with a touch of Nigel Smart

Nigel Smart

Now there is an oxymoron if ever I have heard one.
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Post by: one-eyed on November 30, 2016, 02:38:29 AM
Jack Graham at RFC training:

(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2016/11/28/480235.jpg) (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2016/11/28/480234.jpg)
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2016/11/28/480231.jpg) (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2016/11/28/480226.jpg)
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http://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202016%20Training%20-%20Richmond%20281116&image_id=480221
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Post by: WA Tiger on November 30, 2016, 02:43:09 AM
Play him round one, down back of course
 
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 30, 2016, 01:12:24 PM
 :clapping
Thanks OE.
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Post by: Yeahright on November 30, 2016, 07:06:42 PM
Upgrade on Lambert
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Post by: one-eyed on December 04, 2016, 05:31:35 PM
Jack Graham profile

afldraftcentral.com.au

Inside Midfielder | North Adelaide/South Australia
25/02/1998 | 183cm | 83kg

Player Comparison: Anthony Miles


Snapshot:


The 2016 Larke Medalist has impressed a lot this year with his ball winning and his clearance work. Hailing from North Adelaide, Jack Graham enjoyed a great year in 2015. Last year he played consistent football in the SANFL Reserves which led to him finishing runner up in the Reserves best and fairest for North Adelaide, as well as playing some League football later in the year.

For South Australia Under 18s, he played to a high level and gave us a glimpse of what he can do. This year he has become one of the best clearance midfielders in the draft class and put himself up many draft boards.

For North Adelaide this year, Jack Graham split his time between the Reserves and the Under 18s. For both teams he impressed with his willingness to do the tough stuff in the midfield. He was regularly the leading disposal-getter on the ground and provided lots of grunt which was unrivaled in the league.

But it is his National Under 18 Championships campaign which he impressed the most. Alongside AFL Academy teammate Jonty Scharenberg,  Graham was one of the best midfielders during the carnival. He won plenty of his own footy during the carnival and was the standout clearance midfielder. He averaged 25 disposals, five clearances and four tackles leading to him winning the division one best and fairest.   

Jack Graham is your old style midfielder who wins the clearances, tackles hard and takes the game forward.

Statistics:

(https://afldraftcentral.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-07-at-6.42.34-PM.png)


Strengths:


    Clearance work
    Work rate
    Contested ball winning
    Accumulation
    Tackling


Graham’s greatest strength at this stage is his clearance work. In stoppages he is unstoppable with ball in hand as he reads the taps to perfection and gets great position in stoppages. He pushes off his opponents superbly in stoppages and get momentum when taking the ball so he is hard to tackle. Graham’s clearance work allows him to take the ball forward unlike most inside midfielders in the draft.

Another strength Graham has is his contested ball winning. He exploits his large frame with his ability to win the ball under pressure. He averaged 11 contested possessions which put him in the top few players in this category. This ability to win his own footy makes him more consistent and reliable then other players as he doesn’t rely on any other player to do the dirty work.

An underrated skill Graham has his work rate. He is one of the hardest working midfielders in the draft. He is one of the best follow up players and makes it to nearly every contest. This makes him a hard player to match up on as you know you will have to work hard to keep up. Players who have work ethic like he does, are valuable assets as they are always consistent in their output.

Tackling is another crucial part of his game. He loves to chase and lay bone crunching tackles on opposition players. In stoppages, Graham makes sure he makes the defensive efforts as well as trying to win clearances for his team. This makes him an intimidating player to say the least as they know Graham will crunch anyone with the ball in their hands.

Graham is also a known accumulator. He is close to the biggest accumulator in the draft crop and it is not hard to see why. Jack’s combined ability to win clearances, gather the contested ball and spread from the contest make him a very balanced midfielder who can find the footy around the ground. Add his high work rate into the calculation and you have yourself a midfielder who has the ball on a string week in, week out.

Improvements:

    Kicking
    Scoreboard impact
    Endurance


Jack Graham’s biggest improvement as he comes into the AFL season is his kicking. His field kicking is quite poor as he has an inconsistent ball drop. This makes him not as damaging as other midfielders as he can cut the opposition up with ball in hand. This will tough to improve as he has kicked like this his whole career.

Graham also does not have the scoreboard impact other midfielder have. This is disappointing as midfielders who can kick goals are now invaluable in the game. This is something I would like to see him develop at AFL level as this will take his game to a whole new level.

Graham also has question marks on his endurance. He does not have the best endurance which is now critical to the AFL as the interchange rotation rules has changed over the last few years. This will improve rapidly under an AFL program but might take a few years for it to be at the level which is required for an AFL standard midfielder.

Highlights: https://youtu.be/jrAM0GU2d5g

Summary:

A player who came to mind when thinking of a comparison for Jack Graham is Anthony Miles. The Richmond ball winner is has similar strengths as they have great work ethics and thrive on the tough stuff in the midfield. Miles’ kicking, like Graham’s is not outstanding, but has improved from where it was at in the juniors which Graham should try to emulate.

Graham looks likely to go anywhere in the second and third rounds of the draft.  Players like Graham will attract the interest of lots of clubs but the most likely candidates include Gold Coast, Hawthorn and Richmond who all need big bodied young midfielders.

Graham is the type of player who will win the contested ball, win clearances and tackle hard in the midfield consistently. This holds Graham in great stead as he looks likely to have a long career at AFL level as players who can win their own football are invaluable.

https://afldraftcentral.com.au/player/jack-graham/
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Post by: one-eyed on December 12, 2016, 02:39:50 PM
Graham ready to go

richmondfc.com.au
12 December 2016


Richmond’s newly-appointed Recruiting Manager Matthew Clarke has outlined the reasons why the Tigers’ second 2016 National Draft selection Jack Graham can have an instant impact in the AFL competition. 

Graham, a talented inside midfielder from SANFL club North Adelaide, was taken by Richmond at pick 53 overall in the Draft, much to the delight of the Tigers, who had been closely tracking his progress for a couple of years.

“Jack’s got a mature body . . . The knock on him might have been, has he got a lot (of growth) left in his body?  He’s probably not going to grow much taller or get much bigger – but he doesn’t need to,” Clarke said on the Club’s official podcast ‘Talking Tigers’.

“The thing about Jack is his ability to transition-run defensively, as a midfielder, was as good as we’ve seen in a long, long time.

“A lot of the boys at junior level tend to just go chasing the ‘pill’ and get it forward and kick a goal.  But Jack’s ability to stick his head down, turn the other way and run back, was as good as we’d seen in this draft pool.

“And his GPS numbers were off the clock, compared to most other boys in the group.

“So we’re really excited to have him.

“He was State (SA) under-18 captain this year and has impressive leadership qualities.

“One of our guys that works over there (in Adelaide), said they hadn’t seen one of the SA (under-18) captains like him in the last 10 years . . .

“He’s one of those guys that grabbed the players after the coach had spoken to them just to say, ‘Okay boys, this is what we’re doing, so let’s get on board’.”

Clarke is convinced Graham possesses the necessary attributes to play a decent chunk of senior football with Richmond in season 2017.

“I think because of his running ability to keep him in the game,” Clarke said.

“And Jack’s a super competitor.  He tackles fiercely, he crashes in, he forces turnover, contested ball.

“If you win contested ball, can tackle and can run, you give yourself a chance to play at the elite level.”

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-12-12/graham-ready-to-go
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Post by: MintOnLamb on December 12, 2016, 03:49:53 PM
Certainly ticks a lot of boxes
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on December 12, 2016, 04:58:57 PM
Very unRichmondlike pick... :rollin
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Post by: Andyy on December 12, 2016, 11:49:56 PM
Still have to wonder why he slipped to 53...
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Post by: Loui Tufga on December 13, 2016, 12:19:02 AM
Still have to wonder why he slipped to 53...

His kicking....
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Post by: Diocletian on December 13, 2016, 12:56:08 AM
Still better than Pepper-Powell's... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Owl on December 13, 2016, 08:20:35 AM
Peter pooper pecker was alright, will be a beast but I reckon this bloke will be too.  Same knock that was on our bloke being a man child would be on Powell... 
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Post by: mat073 on December 13, 2016, 01:01:44 PM
Looks ready made ....but also thought the same about Matthew Arnott.
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Post by: one-eyed on March 23, 2017, 06:05:53 PM
Richmond’s second pick in last year’s AFL National Draft, strongly-built, inside midfielder, Jack Graham, will be placed on the Club’s long-term injury list after injuring his ankle at training earlier this week.

Scans revealed the 19-year-old had sustained a small fracture in his left ankle.

He is expected to be sidelined for eight weeks with the Club currently in the process of lodging the paperwork today (Thursday, March 23).

Graham, who captained South Australia in last year’s under-18 national championships, won the Larke Medal as best player throughout the series, and gained All-Australian selection, had only recently recovered from a hamstring injury that had restricted his pre-season preparation with the Tigers.

He will join ruckman Shaun Hampson (back complaint) on Richmond’s long-term injury list.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-03-23/setback-for-talented-tiger-cub
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Post by: Ruanaidh on March 23, 2017, 06:20:28 PM
Richmond’s second pick in last year’s AFL National Draft, strongly-built, inside midfielder, Jack Graham, will be placed on the Club’s long-term injury list after injuring his ankle at training earlier this week.

Scans revealed the 19-year-old had sustained a small fracture in his left ankle.

He is expected to be sidelined for eight weeks with the Club currently in the process of lodging the paperwork today (Thursday, March 23).

Graham, who captained South Australia in last year’s under-18 national championships, won the Larke Medal as best player throughout the series, and gained All-Australian selection, had only recently recovered from a hamstring injury that had restricted his pre-season preparation with the Tigers.

He will join ruckman Shaun Hampson (back complaint) on Richmond’s long-term injury list.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-03-23/setback-for-talented-tiger-cub
bad luck for the kid. Upgrade Stengle.
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Post by: tony_montana on March 23, 2017, 09:26:47 PM
Bad luck was really looking fwd to seeing this wrecking ball in action - may be a blessing in disguise to give his soft tissue injuries extra time to heal
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on March 24, 2017, 07:10:16 PM
Bad luck, but time to give somebody else a genuine opportunity.

KPP positions are weak AF at the moment. Moore or Chol?
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Post by: MintOnLamb on March 26, 2017, 12:41:13 AM
How long is a long term injury in Jacks case?
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Post by: tony_montana on March 26, 2017, 08:49:53 AM
8-10, should be playing vfl by the break or just before
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Post by: Yeahright on March 26, 2017, 09:40:45 PM
Bugger. Excited to see what this kid has to offer
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mat073 on July 30, 2017, 02:10:28 PM
Play him !!!

33 disposals today .
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 30, 2017, 04:00:30 PM
I'm
Sure he won't get a game for 3 years because he isn't a defensive runner like Miles...
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Post by: yandb on July 30, 2017, 04:28:32 PM
I'm
Sure he won't get a game for 3 years because he isn't a defensive runner like Miles...

More likely he wont get a game because his kicking will embarrass Prestia.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Yeahright on July 30, 2017, 08:59:26 PM
I'm
Sure he won't get a game for 3 years because he isn't a defensive runner like Miles...

I know you're taking the mickey but he is actually a very effective two way runner!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: taztiger4 on July 31, 2017, 07:38:47 AM
Balmy said at the pre game on the GC that Dimma loves him & will get a game soon
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 31, 2017, 01:37:21 PM
Is the No Frills Powell-Pepper. :shh



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Post by: Gracie on August 03, 2017, 09:42:09 AM
Jack Graham will be announced in the 25 tonight. Remains to be seen if he gets into the 22.
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Post by: WilliamPowell on August 03, 2017, 11:51:07 AM
Jack Graham will be announced in the 25 tonight. Remains to be seen if he gets into the 22.

Yep heard Dimma on SEN this morning about 7.45am announce this
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on August 03, 2017, 11:53:41 AM
Get around him  :clapping
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Post by: wayne on August 03, 2017, 12:14:10 PM
He'll be like a new recruit  :shh
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Post by: Simonator on August 03, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
Graham and miles ? I still don't think he's ready. How many full vfl games has he played ?
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Post by: one-eyed on August 03, 2017, 02:10:13 PM
Richmond youngster Jack Graham set for AFL debut ahead of this weekend's clash with Hawthorn

August 3, 2017 11:27am
Riley Beveridge
FOX SPORTS


RICHMOND could unveil its fifth debutant of the season in Sunday’s clash with Hawthorn — and the young AFL hopeful already has the all important backing of Mrs Hardwick.

Big-bodied youngster Jack Graham will be in Richmond’s extended 25-man squad when the teams are released on Thursday, having earned his place on the back of strong VFL form.

The 19-year-old won 28 disposals and laid seven tackles as Richmond’s VFL side defeated North Ballarat on Sunday and will now vie for a place in the senior team as it looks to retain its spot inside the top four against Hawthorn with weekend.

Graham captained South Australia’s under 18s national champions side in 2016, winning the Larke Medal for the carnival’s best player having averaged 25 disposals and six clearances per game. He was later recruited to the Tigers with Pick 53 in the national draft.

“He’s in the squad at the moment,” Hardwick told SEN Breakfast.

“I’m not sure if I’m allowed to give out that information, but he’s in the 25.

“He had a terrific game at VFL level last week and I’ve been really excited about him for a little while.

“When he does debut, whether that’s this week or not — we’re not quite sure at this stage — he’ll be a really good player for us.”

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And, importantly for both Graham and Hardwick, the youngster already has the full and crucial support of Mrs Hardwick.

“I’m just staring into the lovely Mrs Hardwick’s eyes right now,” Hardwick laughed.

“She’s a big Jack Graham fan as well. He’s hard and tough and he’s certainly a Richmond player. We like him and we’re lucky he was still available with the draft pick we got him with.”

Should Graham be named to play this weekend, he will become Richmond’s fifth debutant of a successful season for the Tigers.

Dan Butler, Ivan Soldo, Shai Bolton and Tyson Stengle have also been blooded at AFL level, while three more — Josh Caddy, Toby Nankervis and Dion Prestia — have made club debuts.

According to Hardwick, those youngsters coming through the system has re-energised the club and helped Richmond surge to its impressive 12-6 record on the season.

“It’s really excited as a coach and as a club overall,” Hardwick said.

“Every coach and every club in the AFL loves to see a new player come into the system and see what they can produce.

“They’re never quite ready, but it’s always a great experience for those guys to come in and play and to get a glimpse of what’s required at AFL level.

“It’s such a hard game these days and the jump from VFL to AFL is quite significant, but it’s really exciting to see those players come in.

“We’ve debuted three or four of those guys this year, with the possibility of a couple more going forward, so it’s an exciting time.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-youngster-jack-graham-set-for-afl-debut-ahead-of-this-weekends-clash-with-hawthorn/news-story/295f5ff5cb1e6ce21d50c8c068a7979d
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Post by: one-eyed on August 04, 2017, 06:23:17 PM
Meanwhile, South Australian tough nut Jack Graham will wait a little longer before making his debut.
 
"We're really excited by what this kid brings. He's a good transitional runner, finds the ball really easily, tough and hardened type player and the type of player we want wearing the Richmond jumper," Hardwick said.
 
"Whether he gets a game, probably less likely than more likely at this stage but you never know."
 
Hamstring and ankle issues have been problems for Graham since he was drafted at No. 53 last season but his recent VFL form has impressed.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-04/late-mail-live-whispers-and-breaking-team-news
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Post by: one-eyed on August 17, 2017, 03:51:27 AM
Talented, young midfielder Jack Graham is presenting a compelling case to make his senior debut with Richmond at the business end of the season.

Graham, who was the Tigers’ second pick (No. 53 overall) in the 2016 AFL National Draft, has put together a string of impressive performances at VFL level following an injury-interrupted start to his first season at the Club.

The big-bodied, 19-year-old broke his ankle early this year and was sidelined for about three months.

Since returning to the playing field midway through this season, however, Graham has had a significant impact in Richmond’s VFL side.

He’s showcased his ball-winning ability, hardness at the contest, composure under pressure and two-way running capacity.

With Richmond needing to make at least one change for Sunday’s penultimate home-and-away round clash of season 2017 with Fremantle at Domain Stadium, because of midfielder Josh Caddy’s hamstring injury, Graham’s name is bound to bob up in discussions around the Tigers’ selection table this week.

Graham’s 2017 VFL match statistics

Round 9 v Geelong, Punt Road (half a game): Nine disposals, three clearances, two tackles.

Round 10 v Northern Blues, Punt Road (70 percent game time): 16 disposals, three marks, two tackles.

Round 11 v Essendon, Windy Hill (first full game): 17 disposals, six clearances, eight tackles.

Round 12 v Casey, Holm Park: 22 disposals, six clearances, six tackles.

Round 13 v Werribee, Frankston Oval: 21 disposals, 14 contested possessions, eight clearances, six tackles.

Round 14 v Collingwood, Punt Road: Sidelined with a sprained ankle.

Round 15 v North Ballarat, Eureka Stadium: 33 disposals, 15 contested possessions, nine inside-50s, five marks.

Round 16: Bye

Round 17 v Geelong, Simonds Stadium: 22 disposals, 14 contested possessions, six clearances, nine tackles.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-08-16/grahams-strong-push-for-senior-selection
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Post by: Diocletian on August 17, 2017, 03:47:58 PM
Won't make it unless we tell him to drop his bulk muscle, tone down his aggression and develop him in the forward pocket like we did with Arnot....
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Post by: (•))(©™ on August 17, 2017, 03:54:55 PM
How many other first name, first names is there in the list?

Dustin Martin
Anthony Miles.
Alex Rance
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Post by: Tigeritis™©® on August 17, 2017, 04:34:26 PM
Bachar Houli :rollin
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Post by: one-eyed on August 18, 2017, 05:17:26 PM
Good luck in your senior debut, Jack  :thumbsup.



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Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on August 18, 2017, 06:32:10 PM
Very exciting!
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on August 18, 2017, 06:38:00 PM
Good on him  :clapping
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Post by: Rodgerramjet on August 18, 2017, 06:43:58 PM
I like his body size, big strong body. Other players need to strengthen up like him, Butler, rioli, castagna and Corey Ellis for starters need to have big off seasons in the gym.
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Post by: Diocletian on August 18, 2017, 07:41:09 PM
The smalls just need more core sttrength and maybe bigger arms....

...at this stage CEllis looks like Robbie Flower without the courage or work ethic...
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Post by: big tone on August 18, 2017, 07:48:12 PM
In all fairness Rioli's body changed massively over the past preseason.
And George is a good sized kid.
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Post by: Slipper on August 18, 2017, 09:27:56 PM
Good luck on your debut Jack!

Dusty who?
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Post by: mat073 on August 18, 2017, 11:06:36 PM
So excited . Good luck JG !!!
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Post by: big tone on August 19, 2017, 08:35:47 AM
I can't think of a debut I've been more excited about for some time.

He looks to have all the attributes to become a very good AFL player for us.

Good luck to the kid.  :gotigers
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on August 19, 2017, 10:15:25 AM
I can't think of a debut I've been more excited about for some time.

He looks to have all the attributes to become a very good AFL player for us.

Good luck to the kid.  :gotigers

Exactly.
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Post by: Diocletian on August 20, 2017, 04:02:31 PM
Looks a bit like a male version of Marc Murphy..... :shh
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Post by: Slipper on August 20, 2017, 04:04:04 PM
Looks a bit like a male version of Marc Murphy..... :shh

:lol
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Post by: mightytiges on August 20, 2017, 07:36:18 PM
Not massive possession numbers (13) but I'd be happy with also 84% efficiency, 3 clearances (2 cc), 4 inside 50s, 11 tackles  :o, a goal assist and a goal on debut.

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Post by: dwaino on August 20, 2017, 07:37:32 PM
11 tackles is the big thing for me for a first gamer.
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on August 20, 2017, 07:37:53 PM
Not massive possession numbers (13) but I'd be happy with also 84% efficiency, 3 clearances (2 cc), 4 inside 50s, 11 tackles  :o, a goal assist and a goal on debut.

Best 22
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Post by: Diocletian on August 20, 2017, 07:42:23 PM
pfft....20 less possessions than his last VFL game.....dud delist....
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Post by: Lozza on August 20, 2017, 07:43:04 PM
All class, the possessions will come, make 11 tackles each week and he makes a massive difference.
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 20, 2017, 08:32:22 PM
The kick inside 50 to Dusty was all class
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Post by: 1885 on August 20, 2017, 08:35:37 PM
 :bow
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on August 20, 2017, 09:22:36 PM
Great debut as it wasn't flashy and did the hard yakka but still showed class. :clapping
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Post by: Yeahright on August 20, 2017, 09:25:15 PM
Guy was spent in the first 5 minutes but he still continued to run hard both ways and tackle. Couldn't ask for more from a first gamer with no pre season and a number of injuries throughout the year :clapping :clapping
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Post by: 1885 on August 21, 2017, 09:33:07 AM
Guy was spent in the first 5 minutes but he still continued to run hard both ways and tackle. Couldn't ask for more from a first gamer with no pre season and a number of injuries throughout the year :clapping :clapping

His 4th quarter was good

 :thumbsup
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Post by: one-eyed on August 21, 2017, 09:19:20 PM
Talented, tough, young midfielder Jack Graham had the equal most tackles by an AFL player on debut in Richmond’s big win against Fremantle at Domain Stadium yesterday.

Graham, with 11 tackles, joined Collingwood’s Rupert Wills, who set the debutant tackling record late last season.

Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-08-21/graham-tackles-record
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Post by: one-eyed on August 30, 2017, 03:53:13 AM
Tigers youngster tipped to shine in September

afl.com.au
29 August 2017


FIRST-YEAR Richmond midfielder Jack Graham has been tipped to play an important role in the Tigers' finals campaign after overcoming a serious ankle injury and making the most of his late-season debut.

Alongside Jacob Townsend, Graham shapes as a fairytale story for the Tigers this September after impressive performances in rounds 22 and 23 that should be enough to secure his finals spot. 

It has been a rapid rise for the 19-year-old, who spent the first three months of the season on the long-term injury list recovering from a fractured ankle and the next nine weeks in the VFL.

Graham said he didn't expect to find himself in line to play finals with the Tigers this season, and he was proud of the way he had bounced back in the second half of the season.

"I'm just thrilled to be playing in the AFL," Graham told AFL.com.au.

"I've had a pretty rough year with injury, so I'm pretty proud of myself to get the body right and maybe be a chance to play a final.

"I obviously don't know what's going to happen in the next couple of weeks, but I'll get my body right and put my hand up to play in that opening final.

"I can't wait … it'll be a proud moment."

After being named as a senior emergency in rounds 20 and 21, Graham played the final two home and away matches as a hard-tackling midfielder, making a seamless transition to the top level.

In a team that bases its game-plan around defensive pressure and forcing turnovers, he has been a natural fit in the midfield, laying 18 tackles in two games.

"Pressure is in everyone's game. We've focused on tackling, pressure, forcing them to stuff it up and then we'll swoop," Graham said.

"The whole year as a team our focus has been our pressure and you see that lift in finals."

As one of eight Tigers who faced St Kilda in round 23 without finals experience, Graham said he would speak to captain Trent Cotchin to get a sense of what to expect.

His under-18s coach with South Australia, Brenton Phillips, expected the big-bodied onballer draw on his strengths in finals, encouraging the Tigers to "throw him in there and let him go".

"He likes contested ball and he's not afraid to get in and mix it up with anybody," Phillips told AFL.com.au.   

"His ability to tackle strongly at AFL level, and to come in and do it straight away, it shows he enjoys that environment.

"It's exactly the way he plays – contested footy, high pressure, competitive, at the contest all the time. He does everything you like to see from your midfielders."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-29/tigers-youngster-graham-tipped-to-shine-in-september
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 30, 2017, 07:09:43 AM
Think we have a live one here. His composure most impressive for his age.
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Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 09, 2017, 01:54:52 AM
9 possessions 8 contested.

And he's a tackling machine.
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Post by: tony_montana on September 09, 2017, 02:11:02 AM
He had 8 tackles 20 mins into the 2nd qtr, kid is a fridge, saw him taking danger at some stoppages and putting some strong bodywork on. Ran out of puff in the 2nd half but man this kid is a beast
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Post by: dwaino on September 09, 2017, 02:12:59 AM
Reckon he's a keeper.
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Post by: JP Tiger on September 09, 2017, 02:21:37 AM
I am massively impressed with Jack!  Looks so comfortable at the top level after playing a whole 3 games.  More than just a keeper - here's a champion in the making!     :clapping
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Post by: Simonator on September 09, 2017, 02:28:32 AM
Immense exposure and hopefully it pays off
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Post by: 1885 on September 09, 2017, 02:29:09 AM
Ze terminator

 :cheers
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Post by: Andyy on September 09, 2017, 03:34:36 AM
3 games, 27 tackles. I like it.
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Post by: The Machine on September 09, 2017, 07:53:41 AM
Reckon he's a keeper.


OMG yes!
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 09, 2017, 07:57:57 AM
Future captain
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on September 09, 2017, 08:04:26 AM
Really proud of the young man  :gotigers
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Post by: big tone on September 09, 2017, 08:30:40 AM
As most know I dislike players like Houli, BEllis and Grigg as I think they are scared little girls most of the time and this kid Jack Graham is why.

He comes in and just has a crack, and just does what he needs to do as an AFL footballer.
He is far from anything flashy, hasn't really got numbers yet but the kid just does the team things and what we as Tigers supporters want to see.

3 games 27 tackles.  :cheers

Outstanding!!
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Post by: sabartooth on September 09, 2017, 08:47:38 AM
He did some real strong work around stoppages last night. Really like his low key attitude.
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on September 09, 2017, 09:06:48 AM
I read somewhere he had 23 pressure acts which was third highest on the ground (and at the extreme end of elite for afl level).

Hard at it, speed and endurance.

Not bad for an 18 year old with what, 5 games to his name.
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Post by: dwaino on September 09, 2017, 10:25:36 AM
Three games. His third game was a QF against Geelong in front of 95k where he bullied opposition midfielders. That's definitely some credits in the bank.
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Post by: Yeahright on September 09, 2017, 11:42:58 AM
He had 8 tackles 20 mins into the 2nd qtr, kid is a fridge, saw him taking danger at some stoppages and putting some strong bodywork on. Ran out of puff in the 2nd half but man this kid is a beast

Not disagreeing he ran out of puff but it was super impressive that he still ran hard BOTH ways right until the end. That tackle on Smith was a beauty though, dropped him line a sack of poo
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Post by: Owl on September 09, 2017, 11:49:38 AM
What pick did we take him with?  We got him cheap didn't we coz he was injured? 
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 09, 2017, 11:51:12 AM
What pick did we take him with?  We got him cheap didn't we coz he was injured?
Pick 53 and he won the Larke medal for best player in the TAC championships. Was captain of SA.

Future leader of the RFC.
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Post by: Yeahright on September 09, 2017, 11:52:04 AM
What pick did we take him with?  We got him cheap didn't we coz he was injured?

50's iirc. Definitely a later pick. People also thought he wouldn't produce at AFL level. Words to the effect "the kid is already a developed big body so has limited potential"
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Post by: Owl on September 09, 2017, 11:53:57 AM
Makes it all the sweeter.  I read he is a take charge sort of bloke too so he is win win.
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Post by: tony_montana on September 09, 2017, 12:12:48 PM
He had 8 tackles 20 mins into the 2nd qtr, kid is a fridge, saw him taking danger at some stoppages and putting some strong bodywork on. Ran out of puff in the 2nd half but man this kid is a beast

Not disagreeing he ran out of puff but it was super impressive that he still ran hard BOTH ways right until the end. That tackle on Smith was a beauty though, dropped him line a sack of poo

Yep That's what I love about him
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Post by: Yeahright on September 10, 2017, 04:39:15 PM
He had 8 tackles 20 mins into the 2nd qtr, kid is a fridge, saw him taking danger at some stoppages and putting some strong bodywork on. Ran out of puff in the 2nd half but man this kid is a beast

Not disagreeing he ran out of puff but it was super impressive that he still ran hard BOTH ways right until the end. That tackle on Smith was a beauty though, dropped him line a sack of poo

Yep That's what I love about him

So my response wasn't full of poo in this instance. Mmm only thing I notice is the fact we agreed. Don't like people disagreeing with you it seems
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 10, 2017, 04:43:51 PM
Suddenly we have a team full of leaders.

Cotch, Jack and Tross. Even Dusty leading by example.

Dion and Caddy a level down but still good in that area.

Floss and Graham being the newer generation of leaders.

No wonder our team can withstand challenges now.  :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Post by: Diocletian on September 10, 2017, 04:47:07 PM
Tackling machine....still like to see him get more of the pill....not asking for 20 plus at this staget but another half dozen or so a game would be handy.....generally uses it well when he des get it...
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Post by: tony_montana on September 10, 2017, 05:05:23 PM
He had 8 tackles 20 mins into the 2nd qtr, kid is a fridge, saw him taking danger at some stoppages and putting some strong bodywork on. Ran out of puff in the 2nd half but man this kid is a beast

Not disagreeing he ran out of puff but it was super impressive that he still ran hard BOTH ways right until the end. That tackle on Smith was a beauty though, dropped him line a sack of poo

Yep That's what I love about him

So my response wasn't full of poo in this instance. Mmm only thing I notice is the fact we agreed. Don't like people disagreeing with you it seems

It wasnt, surprising ey?

Well of course I dont like people disagreeing with me, who does?  :lol  no need to be so precious, you dish out your fair share, but seems you dont like it coming your way
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Post by: georgies31 on September 23, 2017, 10:49:44 PM
What people think of his game ?.
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Post by: Gracie on September 23, 2017, 11:42:14 PM
A 19 year old playing his fourth game in front of 95000 in a prelim no less played well for 64% game time.

Invaluable experience for when he has 100+ to his name.
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Post by: TigerLand on September 23, 2017, 11:57:08 PM
Gun
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Post by: Yeahright on September 24, 2017, 04:15:02 PM
Does just enough. It's his defensive running that keeps him in
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on September 24, 2017, 04:50:41 PM
was in everything early. needs to build consistency across 4 quarters but i do believe we have at minimum a very good and solid 200 gamer. 
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Post by: Rodgerramjet on September 25, 2017, 07:58:09 AM
This kids pure gold.
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 25, 2017, 09:36:57 AM
Future captain if he can keep fit
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Post by: Andyy on September 25, 2017, 10:53:56 AM
Future captain if he can keep fit

Vlastuin to have a stint first!
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Post by: Yeahright on September 25, 2017, 11:21:27 AM
was in everything early.

This is what gives me a bit more hope in the lad. Fourth AFL game, next to no pre season, little continuity in his training until recently so it's to be expected he'll drop during games. But he continues to pressure blokes :clapping
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Post by: 1885 on September 25, 2017, 12:11:35 PM
Kick long

 :shh
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Post by: dwaino on September 25, 2017, 12:37:16 PM
What a time to start your AFL career.
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 25, 2017, 03:22:45 PM
Graham's pressure around the ball was outstanding again. He also got involved in more transitions from the back line so is really finding his feet now in AFL.
14 possessions @76.3%, 5 tackles and had the lowest game time in the team 64% :shh
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Post by: one-eyed on September 29, 2017, 02:23:41 AM
Croweater Jack Graham’s amazing ride from draft day slider to youngest player in the grand final

Andrew Capel
News Corp
29 September 2017


HE WAS the draft day slider who once had a Dustin Martin haircut and will be the youngest player in Saturday’s AFL grand final going into battle against the side he grew up supporting.

Welcome to the complicated world of tenacious Tiger Jack Graham.

The former SA under-18 captain has fought back from serious injury and the shock and disappointment of having the second-biggest draft fall in a decade by a Larke Medallist — awarded to the best division one player at the AFL under-18 championships — to realise a childhood dream in just his fifth AFL game.

“To play in an AFL grand final is a dream come true,’’ said Graham, 19, who grew up barracking for the Crows and modelling his game on their star midfielder Rory Sloane.

“To be in this position now, I do have to pinch myself.’’

Powerfully-built onballer Graham, a product of SANFL club North Adelaide, slipped to No. 53 at last year’s national draft after eight of the previous 10 Larke Medallists had been selected in the top four. Only West Coast’s Dom Sheed (No. 11 in 2013) and former Western Bulldog Andrew Hooper (No. 35 at the 2009 rookie draft) fell outside the top four.

But Graham — renowned as a natural leader of men and powerful midfield force — kept waiting and waiting until Richmond finally called his name.

Ten months later he will be playing in the biggest game on the AFL calendar.

“It was pretty frustrating and a bit disappointing at the time but you just never know with the draft,’’ Graham told The Advertiser.

“One of my best mates Jonty Scharenberg (from Glenelg) was unfortunate to not get drafted at all so you never know what might happen. In the end I was just lucky enough to get drafted and when you get to a club it doesn't matter what pick you are, you just have to try to make the most of the opportunity you have been given.

“My draft number never gets mentioned at Richmond. I'm just a Richmond player who is motivated to help our team get a result each week.’’

Graham — the son of former West Torrens and Woodville-West Torrens utility Jeff Graham — took until round 22 against Fremantle to make his AFL debut after missing three months at the start of the season following a training mishap when he broke his ankle in a tackle by teammate Ben Griffiths.

“It was a pretty scary start to my (AFL) career,’’ he said.

STRONG VFL form was rewarded with an AFL debut against the Dockers in Perth five weeks ago and Graham hasn’t looked back, playing four consecutive games, including two finals, and failing to taste defeat. He has averaged 13.5 disposals and a whopping eight tackles, using his strong 180cm, 83kg physique to great effect.

“Damien (coach Damien Hardwick) has told me just to play my role and be the competitive beast that I got drafted as,’’ Graham said. “He wants me to be physical, to focus on my defence, my workrate and two-way running and understand that my offence will eventually come from that.’’

Graham described pressure as Richmond’s “one-wood’’ and the key to its stunning rise from 13th to a first grand final in 35 years. And he said he “pinches’’ himself when he is in the same centre square line-up as the club’s two Brownlow Medallists — Martin and captain Trent Cotchin.

“It’s pretty unreal because three-to-four years ago me and a couple of mates went to get ‘Dusty’ haircuts — the side of our heads shaved — because we liked him so much,’’ Graham said. “Now to be playing in the same side is a bit surreal, along with Trent because he’s such a great captain on and off the field.’’

GRAHAM’S parents, Jeff and Sue, arrived in Melbourne for the big game midweek while his grandparents, Trevor and Jan, and sister Keeley, 11, drove together yesterday.

“To have Jack play in a grand final in his first season in the AFL is unbelievable,’’ Trevor said.

“We’ll obviously all be supporting Jack but we're Crows supporters from way back so we’ll win either way.’’

As for trying to deny the club he grew up supporting a third premiership, Graham described the situation as “crazy’’.

“I’ve got a few messages from friends telling me they are not sure who they should barrack for — the Crows or me,’’ he said.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond/croweater-jack-grahams-amazing-ride-from-draft-day-slider-to-youngest-player-in-the-grand-final/news-story/1249b4bddc8abcfb7656f678b9f87da0
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on September 29, 2017, 06:49:28 AM
what an awesome bloke.

and just quietly, it wouldnt take too much for me to turn for him  :shh
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Post by: big tone on September 29, 2017, 06:51:54 AM
poo parents....

Your son plays for the Tigers, you are Richmond supporters now.
stuff the Crows!  :lol
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Post by: Owl on September 29, 2017, 11:08:27 AM
haha what a dilemma
I was surprised when he fell so low in the picks, think the knock was he had matured too early
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 29, 2017, 01:05:28 PM
what an awesome bloke.

and just quietly, it wouldnt take too much for me to turn for him  :shh
Not an issue at all with us Dooks.
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Post by: Owl on September 29, 2017, 02:35:03 PM
what an awesome bloke.

and just quietly, it wouldnt take too much for me to turn for him  :shh
I am gonna stick with women Dooks, speaking of which, where is my stuffing sandwich?
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Post by: RedanTiger on September 29, 2017, 03:00:03 PM
I remember a few weeks ago he kicked a pass from midfield to a leading player.
It went about 25 metres, didn't get over head height and hit his teammate on the chest on the lead.

I sat there with my mouth open in shock.
Nobody can make a pass like that.

Waiting for more.
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Post by: camboon on September 30, 2017, 09:35:40 PM
Didn't want to be known for just tackling , well he's not now after kicking clutch goals in the GF
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Post by: dwaino on September 30, 2017, 09:53:44 PM
Going to be a beast.
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Post by: TigerLand on October 01, 2017, 01:04:58 AM
Love this bloke
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Post by: Simonator on October 01, 2017, 01:23:00 AM
What a legend
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Post by: hyperlite on October 01, 2017, 01:31:28 AM
Rock solid... future leader of this club
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Post by: JP Tiger on October 01, 2017, 01:34:17 AM
Love the future!  Well done Jack, legend!       :gotigers
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Post by: Andyy on October 01, 2017, 03:00:00 AM
Cotch, then Vlastuin, then Graham.

Talk about composure this kid had balls of steel...
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Post by: TigerLand on October 01, 2017, 03:00:45 AM
Have already turned for Graham..
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Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2017, 05:06:05 AM
1. This Tiger cub was born for finals

South Australian youngster Jack Graham etched his name into premiership folklore with the performance of his life. In just his fifth career game for Richmond, the 19-year-old and youngest player on the ground booted three goals and did a superb job in limiting Crows star Rory Sloane's influence in the second half. In another life, Graham could have been playing for the Crows. They could have taken Graham – the captain of SA's Under-18s team last year – with the 44th pick of the 2016 draft. Instead, they passed and the Tigers pounced on Graham with pick No.53. They're extremely glad they did.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-30/ten-things-we-learned-2017-grand-final-adelaide-v-richmond
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on October 01, 2017, 08:39:35 AM
WOW  :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 01, 2017, 10:03:02 AM
There probably is but whose going to remember?
16 touches, 3 goals, 9 contested, 5 clearances, 24 pressure acts (most for us) and went to Sloane when he started to dominate in the 2nd q and shut him down.
Incredible game.
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Post by: (•))(©™ on October 01, 2017, 10:15:21 AM
Wait until the women's game gets up and running.
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on October 01, 2017, 10:27:00 AM
Top 3 for mine.
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Post by: tony_montana on October 01, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
absolutely pantsed sloane when he went onto him
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on October 01, 2017, 12:19:27 PM
Will be captain when Cotch hangs up the boots. Bookmark it. :shh
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Post by: eliminator on October 01, 2017, 02:30:58 PM
Kicking for goal was critical and was a major reason we won.
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Post by: Eat_em_Alive on October 01, 2017, 02:34:13 PM
Will be captain when Cotch hangs up the boots. Bookmark it. :shh

Maybe, I still think Vlaustin is a suitable candidate down back.

But at least it looks like we have options years down the track.
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 01, 2017, 02:56:59 PM
Will be captain when Cotch hangs up the boots. Bookmark it. :shh

Oi!
That's my call  ;D
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Post by: Go Richo 12 on October 01, 2017, 03:18:12 PM
 Vlastuin ^^
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Post by: Yeahright on October 01, 2017, 09:37:49 PM
Gun :clapping
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Post by: RedanTiger on October 03, 2017, 01:38:46 PM
Great to see Cotch recruit him to carry the cup into the rooms after the game.
Smart, smart move.

Same with Dusty calling ALL the players in to sing the song.
Smart, smart move. 
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Post by: wayne on October 03, 2017, 04:07:34 PM
Got him at $26 for the Rising Star. After the GF, he's now $11.
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Post by: Owl on October 03, 2017, 08:00:57 PM
Surprised we aren't being investigated for one of the greatest heists in history nabbing this bloke at pick ..53? I think.  Bloke is cooler than James stuffing Dean under pressure and just swans in for a lazy 3 goal premiership in our drought breaker...stuff I hope he doesn't get all nostalgic to go back home ...
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Post by: Diocletian on October 05, 2017, 03:03:33 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/04/09/34E8605E00000578-0-image-a-27_1465027558361.jpg)

 :clapping :gotigers :clapping
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Post by: one-eyed on October 08, 2017, 05:20:54 AM
How Jack Graham went from overweight draft hopeful to premiership star

Tom Morris
FOX SPORTS


TWO-TIME Brownlow Medallist and chairman of the Norm Smith Medal committee Chris Judd adjudged Jack Graham to be the third best player on the field on Saturday.

This would be a ringing endorsement for anyone, let alone a 19-year-old playing just his fifth AFL match.

Graham booted three goals — having kicked just two in his career before Saturday — among 16 touches.

Drafted with Pick 53 in last year’s national draft, Graham has been made to work for this moment.

Selected for the AFL’s academy tour of the USA in January 2016, the South Australian on-baller turned heads for all the wrong reasons initially.

Brad Johnson was on that trip and remembers the teenager vividly. But then again, how could he miss him?

”He was not in tune of where he should have been,” Johnson said on Fox Footy.

“He got some stern messages and Michael Ablett of the AFL academy gave them to him. It switched him on. Then he went into his draft year, got himself right and dominated for South Australia. Now you see why. The talent comes through.”

That’s an overview what transpired, for more specific context foxfooty.com.au contacted AFL national talent football manager Ablett to articulate his version of events.

“Jack’s a fantastic person but he just came on the trip overweight and out of shape,” Ablett said from the MCG just minutes after Richmond’s triumph.

“I’m a keen boxing man so I thought I’d take him for a boxing session while the other boys were starting training. I asked him what was going on. He said: ‘I’ll be honest with you. I ate too much poo over Christmas.’

“I just told him that he had to change and enough was enough. I said ‘you need to start working your arse off’. He needed to pull his head in and get his poo together.

“All credit to Jack. He’s a fantastic person and I couldn’t be prouder. He’s the leading goalkicker in a Grand Final. I never would have thought that would be the case.”

In 1997. Aaron Keating played in a premiership in his third game. A week later he repeated the dose for Norwood in the SANFL decider.

But by the time Adelaide won its next flag 12 months later, the ruckman’s career was over with six matches and a flag under his belt.

In 2003, Richard Hadley played in Brisbane’s third straight premiership in just his fourth game at the end of his third year on the club’s list. He would go on to register 66 matches for the Lions and then Carlton.

And on Saturday Graham’s fifth match was a Grand Final and Dermott Brereton, who himself played his first two matches in finals, was full of praise for the former South Australian captain.

“The thing I loved about the young man was anything that came his way, he ate up,” Brereton said on Fox Footy.

“You can see that the boy says ‘give it to me, no problem.’ If he can mark the ball, there is not going to be much between him and say a Luke Parker when he has his game fully together.

Jonathan Brown, who like Brereton won several flags in his early years playing AFL (three flags in his first four years), was equally bullish about Graham’s future prospects.

“He looks rough and tough and up for the fight,” Brown said.

“There is no doubt about it. Rory Sloane had obviously got off the chain early and the call came out from Damien Hardwick that Jack had to go to Sloane to nullify him. Well nullify him he did.

“His skinfolds will going back north now!”

Dual Tigers premiership player Rex Hunt was in Richmond’s rooms post-match and embraced Graham, who was still 20 years away from being born when Hunt played his last game.

Indeed it’s entirely feasible that Graham has seen more of Hunt fishing than he has of him kicking a football.

This is Graham’s account of his encounter with Hunt.

“Rex just said, ‘unbelievable’,” Graham said.

“He said we’ve given them some enjoyment and something to look forward to. He’s an amazing man. He said: ‘you didn’t have a surname and now you’re a life member of Richmond.’”

Not bad for a kid who was considered unfit and overweight just months before he was drafted.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-2017-how-jack-graham-went-from-overweight-draft-hopeful-to-premiership-star/news-story/990f6a9a31c1c55c955f6d4fe4622c8a?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+com%2FlQuXy+%28Fox+Sports%29
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Post by: one-eyed on October 12, 2017, 02:26:10 PM
U18 SA coach Brenton Phillips on Richmond's Jack Graham: "Once he got his body under control & in that elite environment, the rest is history"

https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/918304225108508672
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Post by: MintOnLamb on November 15, 2017, 10:13:11 AM
Just re reading the Premiership Record for the 321st time

Interesting nerd stat about Jack Graham
2017
5 games 2017, 5 games total, 5 games this club, 5 goals 2017, 5 goals total

hmmmm

Also
Tyson Stengle
2017
2 games 2017, 2 games total, 2 games this club, 2 goals 2017, 2 goals total

These would be unusual stats IMHO
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Post by: Diocletian on November 15, 2017, 01:38:46 PM
Andrew Krakouer, 102 games & 102 goals for Richmond.

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Post by: MintOnLamb on November 15, 2017, 04:04:10 PM
Andrew Krakouer, 102 games & 102 goals for Richmond.
Nice pick up
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on November 16, 2017, 07:23:40 AM
Dooks - No games, No goals.

They are in good company  :gotigers
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Post by: Yeahright on November 16, 2017, 02:26:05 PM
Yeahright - 2 games 2 goals :shh
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 16, 2017, 06:26:18 PM
Yeahright - 2 games 2 goals :shh
I'm afraid quoits doesn't count.  :santa
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Post by: Gracie on November 17, 2017, 09:36:39 AM
Yeahright - 2 games 2 goals :shh

Hello Trevor Wilson
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Post by: Yeahright on November 17, 2017, 04:05:02 PM
Yeahright - 2 games 2 goals :shh
I'm afraid quoits doesn't count.  :santa

It's pronounced coitus
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on November 18, 2017, 12:49:05 PM
Come to think of it, Yeahright you do have a bit of a Russell Coight about ya
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Post by: Yeahright on November 20, 2017, 03:03:00 PM
Come to think of it, Yeahright you do have a bit of a Russell Coight about ya

If you're trying to get in my pants you're definitely heading in the right direction
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Post by: Darth Tiger on November 21, 2017, 11:06:39 AM
It gets better if you are a Tigers fan giving it to the Crows supporters as they had 2 possible opportunities to draft Graham and choose;

Selection No.44 – Myles Poholke
Hamish Ogilvie says: "Myles is a big, strong midfielder with some power. He's good in the air, very clean ball take, which is the thing we like about him."

Selection No.51 – Elliott Himmelberg
Hamish Ogilvie says: "Elliott's been injured, so he's missed a bit of footy this year, but we really liked his start to the season. He played back in the Allies, but we think he's probably forward with maybe a bit of forward-ruck, because he's maybe 197cm-plus now, so he's grown."
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Post by: taztiger4 on November 21, 2017, 07:35:48 PM
It gets better if you are a Tigers fan giving it to the Crows supporters as they had 2 possible opportunities to draft Graham and choose;

Selection No.44 – Myles Poholke
Hamish Ogilvie says: "Myles is a big, strong midfielder with some power. He's good in the air, very clean ball take, which is the thing we like about him."

Selection No.51 – Elliott Himmelberg
Hamish Ogilvie says: "Elliott's been injured, so he's missed a bit of footy this year, but we really liked his start to the season. He played back in the Allies, but we think he's probably forward with maybe a bit of forward-ruck, because he's maybe 197cm-plus now, so he's grown."


Hindsight Draft

Selection No.53 – Jack Graham
Hamish Ogilvie says: "faaarrrrkkkk"
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Post by: 🏅Dooks on November 21, 2017, 09:37:16 PM
Come to think of it, Yeahright you do have a bit of a Russell Coight about ya

If you're trying to get in my pants you're definitely heading in the right direction

Well im hardly a prude.
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Post by: one-eyed on November 24, 2017, 10:52:45 AM
It gets better if you are a Tigers fan giving it to the Crows supporters as they had 2 possible opportunities to draft Graham and choose;

Selection No.44 – Myles Poholke
Hamish Ogilvie says: "Myles is a big, strong midfielder with some power. He's good in the air, very clean ball take, which is the thing we like about him."

Selection No.51 – Elliott Himmelberg
Hamish Ogilvie says: "Elliott's been injured, so he's missed a bit of footy this year, but we really liked his start to the season. He played back in the Allies, but we think he's probably forward with maybe a bit of forward-ruck, because he's maybe 197cm-plus now, so he's grown."


Hindsight Draft

Selection No.53 – Jack Graham
Hamish Ogilvie says: "faaarrrrkkkk"

Credit to our recruiter Matt Clarke on getting this one spot on  :clapping.

------------------------------

Post-draft, then newly-appointed Richmond Recruiting Manager Matthew Clarke outlined the reasons why Graham could have an instant impact in the AFL competition.

“Jack’s got a mature body . . . The knock on him might have been, has he got a lot (of growth) left in his body? He’s probably not going to grow much taller or get much bigger – but he doesn’t need to,” Clarke said.

“The thing about Jack is his ability to transition-run defensively, as a midfielder, was as good as we’ve seen in a long, long time.

“A lot of the boys at junior level tend to just go chasing the ‘pill’ and get it forward and kick a goal. But Jack’s ability to stick his head down, turn the other way and run back, was as good as we’d seen in this draft pool. And his GPS numbers were off the clock compared to most other boys in the group.

“So we’re really excited to have him.

“He was State (SA) under-18 captain this year and has impressive leadership qualities.

“One of our guys that works over there (in Adelaide), said they hadn’t seen one of the SA (under-18) captains like him in the last 10 years . . .

“He’s one of those guys that grabbed the players after the coach had spoken to them just to say, ‘Okay boys, this is what we’re doing, so let’s get on board’.”

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-11-24/from-the-draft-to-the-cup-jack-graham
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Post by: one-eyed on December 27, 2017, 06:58:00 PM
Jack Graham stat:

Games: 5

Premierships: 1

Average MCG crowd: (356,611/4) = 89,152.

https://twitter.com/rfcswallace/status/945553642882351104
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Post by: one-eyed on January 14, 2018, 04:55:26 AM
A 19 year old who averages 7 tackles per game  :o on top of kicking 3 goals in the GF :thumbsup.


AFL rankings

No. 1 among rising stars for clearances per game

No. 1 among rising stars for tackles per game

No. 4 among rising stars for centre clearances per game

No. 6 among rising stars for contested possessions per game

No. 6 among rising stars for goals per game

No. 6 among rising stars for tackles per game

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-01-13/premiership-tigers-key-numbers-jack-graham
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Post by: dwaino on January 14, 2018, 12:41:08 PM
Surely the Crows will come sniffing. Should we be looking to lock him away early? Possibly a future captain.
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Post by: Rampsation on January 14, 2018, 01:55:28 PM
Surely the Crows will come sniffing. Should we be looking to lock him away early? Possibly a future captain.

3 year deal should be on the table. He is a very good kid and he does show major leadership ability.
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Post by: one-eyed on February 26, 2018, 03:47:05 AM
Graham turned 20 yesterday  :birthday. Still doesn't know what a loss is  ;D.
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on February 26, 2018, 08:36:00 AM
Epitomises the "new" Richmond. Hard and uncompromising.
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Post by: MintOnLamb on February 26, 2018, 04:42:23 PM
Is he eligible for the rising Start in 2018?
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Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on February 26, 2018, 04:55:22 PM
Yes.
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Post by: one-eyed on March 08, 2018, 01:38:36 PM
(https://im.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-1-853fe5525b.gif)
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Post by: Yeahright on March 10, 2018, 11:37:11 AM
Gun
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Post by: Slipper on March 11, 2018, 07:42:04 PM
Is he eligible for the rising Start in 2018?

Yes, and most bookies have him as favourite.
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Post by: one-eyed on March 18, 2018, 05:23:09 AM
Jack Graham wants to repay Tigers the favour

Peter Ryan
Fairfax media
18 March 2018


On a Sunday afternoon in August, Jack Graham ran out for Richmond to make his AFL debut on Subiaco Oval.

Just 41 days later the hirsute 20-year-old stood on the premiership dais at the MCG.

He had played in five AFL games for five wins, laying 35 tackles.

His best performance came on grand final day in front of 100,021 people when he kicked three goals in the Tigers' drought-breaking win, shut down Adelaide star Rory Sloane, and earned a vote in the Norm Smith Medal.

He was the youngest player since Essendon's Mark Mercuri (who beat Graham by one day) to kick three goals in a premiership victory.

"It was my day, kinda," Graham says.

"You have your days and you don't. I was lucky enough to have mine then."

Only 19 players in the game's history have become a premiership player after fewer games, while Graham was the youngest person to win a flag since Hawthorn superstar Cyril Rioli did in his 25th game in 2008.

Only former Tiger Cameron Clayton, who became a life member at the Tigers this season – as did Graham after Richmond's board decided all premiership players would automatically qualify – can better Graham's record, playing in eight straight wins from debut to flag in 1974.

Clayton was a 17-year-old but he spent most of the two finals on the bench, only coming on in the last quarter of the 1974 grand final.

Graham's more experienced teammates have not missed the chance to remind him during the off-season how lucky he has been to experience a premiership before he turned 20.

"They sure do wind me up but they love it at the same time," Graham says.

A conversation he had with long-suffering teammate Shane Edwards after the qualifying final win over Geelong sticks in his mind.

Edwards told Graham it had taken him 11 years and 205 games to experience a win over the Cats.

By contrast, Graham was enjoying that feeling after just three games.

Graham acknowledges his good fortune, too, with a combination of humility and raw enthusiasm.

"It is still pretty crazy and pretty surreal," Graham says.

He did have to show a certain amount of resilience to even be in the hunt when the chance came. This time last year Graham could not have seemed further from a premiership, having tumbled to pick 53 in the 2016 national draft despite captaining South Australia in the AFL's under-18 championships and winning the MVP.

After initial hamstring issues, he was in rehab nursing a broken ankle suffered at training when now-retired forward Ben Griffiths tackled him.

Despite reassurance from the skipper Trent Cotchin that the injury would not affect Graham's chances of making a career in the game, he naturally worried that it would stop him from showing everyone what he had.

Lucky was not a word he was using to describe how he was feeling.

"At first I was thinking, 'Oh, God'," Graham says.

It was not until round 13 that he made his VFL debut and round 22 before he made his AFL debut.

He took each game as it came, believing the coaches when they said he was good enough to be there. And as each week passed he celebrated the fact he was living an impossible dream.

Not once did he worry about whether he would lose his spot, his attitude heading into the preliminary final signalling his humility rather than his confidence.

"I was thinking if I get dropped, fair enough. I've only played three games," Graham says.

Now, just days away from starting his second season, his intentions to carve out a long career are clear.

"I've ticked the first box and that was a full pre-season," Graham said. "It has been a great start in my journey but the journey has only really begun."

That journey will see him play against Carlton for the first time, potentially in front of more than 90,000 people for the fourth time already in his short career.

If the Tigers win he will become the first Richmond player since Richard Tambling to play in six wins in his first six games, a feat Tambling achieved in 2005.

But such things are not on the down-to-earth Graham's mind as he looks to cement his spot in the line-up.

The boy from Tea Tree Gully remains as determined, competitive and humble as he has always been, remembering the values his parents Jeff and Sue instilled in him.

"Dad always told me to be humble and to be who you are," Graham said.

He will forever be a Richmond premiership player, just the 12th man in the past 50 years to win a flag within his first 10 games.

He is also presumably the first life member of a club to still be eligible to win the AFL Rising Star.

But whether he becomes the 200-game player every draft hopeful dreams of becoming will remain a function of hard work.

He also wants to taste premiership glory again.

"I'm obviously honoured to be a life member at Richmond but I have got a lot to give back too, having been given [the honour] so quickly. I want to be known as a life member that played 150 games and gave back to the club," Graham said.

Early premierships since 1968:
Jack Graham, Richmond 2017: Brent Renouf, Hawthorn 2008: Richard Hadley, Brisbane Lions 2003: Shannon Motlop, North Melbourne 1999: Ben Marsh, Adelaide 1998: Aaron Keating, Adelaide 1997: Greg Madigan, Hawthorn 1989: Stephen McCann, North Melbourne 1977: Rodney Eade, Hawthorn 1976: Peter Murnane, Hawthorn 1976: Cameron Clayton, Richmond 1973: Neil Chandler, Carlton 1968

http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers/jack-graham-wants-to-repay-tigers-the-favour-20180317-p4z4v6.html
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Post by: mightytiges on March 23, 2018, 03:02:31 AM
Just a lazy 13 tackles  :o.
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Post by: Simonator on March 23, 2018, 06:51:56 AM
Did a couple good things. One play comes to mind, beating opponents and pin pointing a pass into the 50 in the 4th
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Post by: Gracie on March 23, 2018, 09:31:48 AM
That tackle in the last where he held on by his fingertips and brought the taller scum player to the ground. We took the ball forward and goaled. Impressive stuff.
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Post by: wayne on March 23, 2018, 12:09:23 PM
That tackle in the last where he held on by his fingertips and brought the taller scum player to the ground. We took the ball forward and goaled. Impressive stuff.

Cripps, no-one got near him all night, but Jack hung on for dear life and we got a goal.
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Post by: Gracie on March 23, 2018, 01:46:56 PM
That tackle in the last where he held on by his fingertips and brought the taller scum player to the ground. We took the ball forward and goaled. Impressive stuff.

Cripps, no-one got near him all night, but Jack hung on for dear life and we got a goal.

Yes that is the one. Martin's running goal was the result. It is no 1 on the Jeep top 5 moments from last night. You just see the end result of the tackle with Cripps sprawled out on the ground and Graham moving towards the ball.
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Post by: The Machine on March 23, 2018, 07:35:42 PM
Good player.....bloody good :clapping
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Post by: one-eyed on March 26, 2018, 11:33:04 AM
Talented, tough, Tiger cub Jack Graham picked up where he left off late last season, producing a powerful, pressure-packed performance in last Thursday night’s opening round victory over Carlton at the MCG.

Graham, in just his sixth game of AFL football, applied a game-high 13 tackles and recorded a whopping 101 pressure points throughout the match.

Graham’s value to the Tigers’ team, notwithstanding his inexperience, was further highlighted when he was moved on to Patrick Cripps in a bid to quell the considerable influence that the Blues’ star midfielder was exerting. And, just like in last year’s Grand Final, when swung on to his childhood football idol Rory Sloane, Graham did the job admirably.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-03-26/grahams-great-grunt-work
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Post by: 1965 on March 26, 2018, 11:56:38 AM

Graham’s value to the Tigers’ team, notwithstanding his inexperience, was further highlighted when he was moved on to Patrick Cripps in a bid to quell the considerable influence that the Blues’ star midfielder was exerting. And, just like in last year’s Grand Final, when swung on to his childhood football idol Rory Sloane, Graham did the job admirably.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-03-26/grahams-great-grunt-work (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-03-26/grahams-great-grunt-work)


Can anybody confirm this?
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Post by: Loui Tufga on March 26, 2018, 01:46:45 PM

Graham’s value to the Tigers’ team, notwithstanding his inexperience, was further highlighted when he was moved on to Patrick Cripps in a bid to quell the considerable influence that the Blues’ star midfielder was exerting. And, just like in last year’s Grand Final, when swung on to his childhood football idol Rory Sloane, Graham did the job admirably.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-03-26/grahams-great-grunt-work (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-03-26/grahams-great-grunt-work)


Can anybody confirm this?

He mentions it himself in one of the recent documentary’s getting about.
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Post by: 1965 on March 26, 2018, 02:27:28 PM

Graham’s value to the Tigers’ team, notwithstanding his inexperience, was further highlighted when he was moved on to Patrick Cripps in a bid to quell the considerable influence that the Blues’ star midfielder was exerting. And, just like in last year’s Grand Final, when swung on to his childhood football idol Rory Sloane, Graham did the job admirably.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-03-26/grahams-great-grunt-work (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-03-26/grahams-great-grunt-work)


Can anybody confirm this?

He mentions it himself in one of the recent documentary’s getting about.

Sorry I meant the job he did on Cripps last Thursday
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Post by: Chuck17 on March 26, 2018, 02:53:28 PM

Graham’s value to the Tigers’ team, notwithstanding his inexperience, was further highlighted when he was moved on to Patrick Cripps in a bid to quell the considerable influence that the Blues’ star midfielder was exerting. And, just like in last year’s Grand Final, when swung on to his childhood football idol Rory Sloane, Graham did the job admirably.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-03-26/grahams-great-grunt-work (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-03-26/grahams-great-grunt-work)


Can anybody confirm this?

He mentions it himself in one of the recent documentary’s getting about.

Sorry I meant the job he did on Cripps last Thursday

Can't say i noticed it, thought cripps was best on ground consistently in all four quarters
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 15, 2018, 10:13:25 AM
Rubbish.
Kid is a gun. Was better yesterday.
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Post by: Slipper on April 15, 2018, 10:37:41 PM
Rubbish.
Kid is a gun. Was better yesterday.

:shh

We want people to keep underrating him.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 16, 2018, 04:22:28 PM
Offered one match. He hardly hurt him....
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Rampsation on May 06, 2018, 04:05:25 PM
Much better today. Well done to him and hopefully he can continue to improve on his game.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on May 06, 2018, 05:42:36 PM
Much better today. Well done to him and hopefully he can continue to improve on his game.
:thumbsup
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on May 07, 2018, 11:45:35 AM
Easily his best game since the GF. Honestly thought he was lucky to come straight back in after that suspension but proved his worth and then some yesterday.

Carn The Fridge!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: dwaino on May 07, 2018, 12:41:33 PM
After hearing him speak on MMM a week or two ago I understand why he’s earmarked for leadership. I guess some players you just have to back in to find form.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on May 13, 2018, 09:35:32 PM
When is he getting a Rising star nomination? He's not dominating but putting together better footy than half those nominated so far
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on May 13, 2018, 09:50:28 PM
When is he getting a Rising star nomination? He's not dominating but putting together better footy than half those nominated so far
Ineligible unfortunately (due to the suspension). Probably deserved a nom after the GF I woulda thought 😉
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 16, 2018, 03:20:45 AM
Richmond's Jack Graham is ranked fourth overall by average, but tops the ladder for an individual performance; in the Tigers' opening-round win over Carlton, the 20-year-old racked up 105.6 points.

He's the only player to have cleared 100 points this season.

Top 10 pressure players of 2018

Rank   Player    Average per game
1. Devon Smith   72.2
2. Dayne Zorko   65.9
3. Clayton Oliver    63.0
4. Tim Taranto    63.0
5. Jack Graham    62.4
6. Hugh Greenwood    61.2
7. Liam Shiels    60.8
8. Brad Ebert    60.4
9. Corey Maynard    60.0
10. Brad Scheer    59.6


Champion Data measure four levels of pressure players can apply; corralling, chasing, closing and physical.

Each level is worth a certain amount of points, which is worked out by how much harder it is for the opposition to record an effective disposal from that pressure, compared to when they are under no pressure.

Corralling, when the player guards a space so an opponent is limited with his run and where he can go, is worth 1.2 points.

Chasing a player from behind and gaining ground is worth 1.5 points.

Closing a player down from in front or to the side of his disposal is worth 2.25 points.

And, physical pressure – when a player gets a hand to a player while he is disposing of the ball – is worth 3.75 points.

Therefore, it's possible for a player to record a high number of pressure acts but accumulate a low number of points, if the acts aren't specifically closing or physical.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-15/how-a-new-don-became-the-leagues-pressure-king
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on June 17, 2018, 06:42:44 PM
Jack Graham is a bull, 41 pressure acts, 13 tackles.

https://twitter.com/bryaan_lyy/status/1008260825839104000
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Willy on June 17, 2018, 06:45:20 PM
Huge effort.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Slipper on June 17, 2018, 06:49:45 PM
I love his composure.

Developing nicely as an inside mid as opposed to a run with player. Showed some great poise going through packs today in the opposite direction to the general flow of play.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Chuck17 on June 17, 2018, 08:07:37 PM
Thank god he was back in the guts for that game
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Post by: The Machine on June 17, 2018, 08:33:03 PM
Top game and loved how he shaped up to duckwood late in the game :thumbsup
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on June 17, 2018, 10:06:26 PM
Jack Graham is a bull, 41 pressure acts, 13 tackles.

https://twitter.com/bryaan_lyy/status/1008260825839104000

The week off seemed to help
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Post by: one-eyed on August 13, 2018, 11:34:41 AM
Graham had 19 disposals, seven score involvements and a game-high 60 pressure points.

“You can see why Jack Graham’s such an important player to us,” Hardwick said.

“His pressure points are high, his ability to pressure the ball is really good, and he makes players around him better.”

Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-08-12/graham-back-in-strong-style

Touchwood the shoulder remains okay for the rest of the season :pray.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: big tone on August 13, 2018, 11:47:04 AM
He just does everything right.
Puts his head over the ball and his tackles stick.
But when it his turn to use the footy, he just does the simple things really well.

What a great pick up this kid is for our club.

Just a no fuss champion kid.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Dont Argue on August 13, 2018, 01:33:45 PM
He just does everything right.
Puts his head over the ball and his tackles stick.
But when it his turn to use the footy, he just does the simple things really well.

What a great pick up this kid is for our club.

Just a no fuss champion kid.

Can only get better. Exciting.
Unfortunately needs a shoulder reco at seasons end but said he should be right for round 1 next year.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on August 13, 2018, 01:37:24 PM
I know I say it about once a month but thank GOD we didn't get Treloar.

We got Rioli, Prestia, Caddy & Graham for what we would have given up for him.

Thanks for passing on us Trelol!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 25, 2018, 07:38:35 PM
Graham's 3 goals in the first quarter:

VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2018-08-25/r23-grahams-threegoal-first-quarter
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Owl on August 25, 2018, 08:42:27 PM
Future captain for mine.  Inspirational. 
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Post by: Gracie on August 25, 2018, 10:36:30 PM
The 3rd goal was a beauty. Graham had a hand in the early part and then handballed forward. Then runs forward and after Rioli ducked and weaved Graham gets the ball back and goals.

Lovely work.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 13, 2018, 03:02:03 PM
13 of Graham's 22 games have been played in front of 50k+ crowds and 9 of those were 70k+.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-09-13/grahams-crowdpleasing-record
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 13, 2018, 03:34:00 PM
This fellow is an absolute bull. Smart youngster that used his bulk and strength to put the wobbles in the opposition.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 13, 2018, 04:00:23 PM
This fellow is an absolute bull. Smart youngster that used his bulk and strength to put the wobbles in the opposition.
Some of his tackling last week was brutal. Love it!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 19, 2018, 04:39:21 AM
The ridiculous numbers behind Richmond premiership hero Jack Graham’s first 22 games

September 19, 2018
Josh Gabelich
FOX SPORTS


JACK Graham’s timing has been impeccable.

While Jack Riewoldt had to navigate through the dark times at Punt Road, the South Australian has arrived at the best possible time.

He made his debut in Round 22 last season before unforgettably winning the last five games of the year, including all the qualifying final, the preliminary final and the grand final.

Fast forward nearly 12 months and the 20-year-old has lost only twice in his first 22 games — never at the MCG.

Then there is the amount of people who have watched him play.

Graham has already played in front of more than 90,000 people five times, including last year’s decider in front of just over 100,000.

Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury became the first player in the history of the game to play in front of 60,000 or more on 100 occasions last Saturday night.

Graham’s first 22 games have been attended by an average crowd of 61,635 people, even more than Jack Higgins who has played in front of an average of 55,577 people across his first 19 games.

It has been a whirlwind start for a player who wasn’t taken until Pick 53 in the 2016 National Draft and barely completed any of his maiden pre-season at Tigerland.

“It is pretty crazy. A couple of my mates threw some stats about that,” Graham told AFL Tonight ahead of Richmond’s blockbuster preliminary final clash against Collingwood on Friday night.

“I’m just enjoying my time at Richmond and I’m really excited about the next couple of weeks ahead. We just want that success again and that ultimate feeling.

“It is still crazy what happened (last year). I feel a bit more in the team this year playing a fair few games. I’m really experiencing what the AFL life is about.”

While Graham has enjoyed a fairytale start to his AFL career, not everything has gone completely to script.

The big-bodied midfielder-forward looked like he could be done for the year when he dislocated his shoulder against Adelaide in Round 16.

But he returned after a month and will go under the knife when Richmond’s season comes to a close, whenever that is.

“I’m hoping there’s two games left and then I’ll have surgery at the end of the year,” Graham said.

“100 per cent, I thought my season could be done now, I could potentially have had surgery that weekend. But the physio team said there’s a chance for me to get back and obviously I took that.

“We’re in a good position now and looking forward to the next couple of weeks. It is strong, but anything could really happen; an awkward fall could pop it back out. It is not really going to be at its full strength until I have surgery.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-ridiculous-numbers-behind-richmond-premiership-hero-jack-grahams-first-22-games/news-story/84d3c084a5f0bbde9e637105ea406301
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on November 19, 2018, 09:46:10 PM
Also facing a slow start to pre-season is midfielder Jack Graham, who had his shoulder reconstructed after the Grand Final.

Graham was running, as expected, on Monday with the rest of the first-to-four-year players but won't engage in any contact work until the New Year.

Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-19/tiger-tom-hits-the-track-early-with-new-teammates)
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Post by: one-eyed on January 29, 2019, 01:12:31 AM
Graham nears return to full training

Grace Kalac,
AFL Media
Jan 27, 2019


Jack Graham is “roaring to get back into it” as he eyes a return to full training within the next two weeks.

The 20-year-old’s shoulder recovery is tracking well, after he dislocated it in round 16 and delayed reconstruction until after finals in October.   

“The shoulder’s coming along nicely, a week or two and I’ll be back into the full drills which is good, at the moment just some light contact,” Graham said.

“I can look forward to 2019 without that popping out hopefully, just building up the strength again and I can’t wait to get back out in full training with the boys.”

The time off contact work earlier in the pre-season gave the hard-tackler the opportunity to build his base fitness which will undoubtedly prove handy come round one.

And the Tiger is confident he has "come back in good shape" after strong results in Richmond's pre-season time trials.

"Being out of training, I've been working on my craft so when I'm back into it I'm ready to go," Graham said.

It was a unique off-season for Graham, who enjoyed an eye-opening field trip to Sumatra to learn about Tigers of a different variety.

Through the Club’s conservation partner WWF-Australia, Graham, joined by fellow Tiger Nick Vlastuin, trekked the Sumatran jungle with the WWF’s Tiger Protection Unit in aid of the endangered Sumatran tigers.

“It’s a different world over there,” Graham said.

“It was a great trip learning so much about the Tigers and also ourselves and the culture over there.”

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-01-27/graham-nears-return-to-full-training
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on March 22, 2019, 10:56:22 PM
Only round 1 but including the JLT games, Graham seems to be loving the free licence to hunt and win his own the footy. Just like Higgins, we need him to step up this year in the midfield. So far so good.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2019, 01:14:17 PM
Trade to back to SA while he's still worth something... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mat073 on April 07, 2019, 03:12:28 PM
That dropped mark  :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2019, 03:43:39 PM
Whether it's here or elsewhere, wouldn't be surprised to see him end up a Josh Caddy type forward - big bodied, aggressive, physical player, a low possession player and a bit too slow to be a regular midfielder but has shown he can kick a goal...and despite yesterday's Tom Derickx impersonation, can take a grab... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on April 07, 2019, 05:29:47 PM
Bloke isn't in good form but it's a bit rough blaming a guy whose played what 20 games?

I'd like to see some of our more experienced players having a go... kids like this need leaders by example.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: DCrane on April 07, 2019, 07:35:32 PM
Graham is becoming a one dimensional player, a tackler, and if he's not doing that very well then there's not much left in the cupboard. I'd like to see him step up and win a bit of footy while the likes of Dusty are getting tagged but it's not happening. There is a problem with his kicking which is 90% mental and the other half physical. I know he is young but he is touted as having leadership qualities, well here is his chance.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on April 07, 2019, 08:03:20 PM
Graham is becoming a one dimensional player, a tackler, and if he's not doing that very well then there's not much left in the cupboard. I'd like to see him step up and win a bit of footy while the likes of Dusty are getting tagged but it's not happening. There is a problem with his kicking which is 90% mental and the other half physical. I know he is young but he is touted as having leadership qualities, well here is his chance.
Did much more in round 1. Still a kid.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on April 07, 2019, 08:09:56 PM
There is a problem with his kicking which is 90% mental and the other half physical.

That’s a lot of % LOL
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on July 27, 2019, 12:44:50 AM
13 tackles tonight - second highest number ever recorded for a Richmond player.

Touch is a lot better now and finding more of the footy too.

When’s he’s playing like this he’s a very important player for us.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerLand on July 27, 2019, 01:15:18 AM
Was brilliant tonight.

Jack Graham that is.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on July 27, 2019, 01:32:59 AM
He was more damaging tonight. I like him this way. Very good/keep
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 27, 2019, 05:56:32 AM
13 tackles tonight - second highest number ever recorded for a Richmond player.

Touch is a lot better now and finding more of the footy too.

When’s he’s playing like this he’s a very important player for us.

A decent chunk of them on Steelo Wool Sidebottom
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Post by: Slipper on July 27, 2019, 09:25:10 AM
This from the AFL feed of the game

"Jack Graham has had a game-high 105 pressure points for Richmond, 54 more than the next individual player. Graham was also involved in a match-high 42 pressure acts, 17 more than the next highest individual player on the ground.

That sounds like some game!
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Post by: Diocletian on July 27, 2019, 03:56:23 PM
https://imgur.com/VE4qkpN

 :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on July 27, 2019, 04:55:13 PM
Lifted, more possessions and pressure acts, good game
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Post by: Simonator on July 27, 2019, 06:24:22 PM
That tackle on a much bigger player in Grundy makes me feel like Bruce watching rioli
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 07, 2019, 01:52:15 AM
No. 2 for total pressure acts and tackles at Richmond

“He’s relentless at the ball and relentless at the player with the ball and his tackling is very good too. He’s a valuable asset around our midfield.”

Adding offence to his game in 2019

“He certainly has (added offence to his game). Particularly in (Round 20 against Melbourne), being able to kick two goals... He was very clean in this game and he’s certainly improved that aspect of his game across the course of the year and it just seems to be getting better and better, so hopefully he continues to improve.”

Read more: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-08-06/coaches-corner-jack-graham
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Willy on August 07, 2019, 08:22:34 AM
https://imgur.com/VE4qkpN

 :shh

Nice.

Been impressed with his last month or so.

Definitely lifted.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 11, 2019, 09:37:16 PM
From Robbo's "Likes" column:

3. Jack Graham


Nothing like inspiring a teammate in his milestone game with a best-on-ground performance. Shane Edwards was outstanding in his 250th game. Jack Graham was better — and it was welcomed on the eve of the finals. He kicked four goals to double his season’s tally, but kicking goals is not his forte. In many ways Graham is the heartbeat of effort at Tigerland. His 14 tackles against the Blues follow his 6, 13, 6, 7, 9, 11 and 9 tackles in recent games.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/mark-robinson-reveals-his-likes-and-dislikes-for-round-21/news-story/f225d37dd510a273fc1457298b927aad
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on August 11, 2019, 09:53:16 PM
Eating humble pie. Gun!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Slipper on August 11, 2019, 10:11:55 PM
From Robbo's "Likes" column:

3. Jack Graham


Nothing like inspiring a teammate in his milestone game with a best-on-ground performance. Shane Edwards was outstanding in his 250th game. Jack Graham was better — and it was welcomed on the eve of the finals. He kicked four goals to double his season’s tally, but kicking goals is not his forte. In many ways Graham is the heartbeat of effort at Tigerland. His 14 tackles against the Blues follow his 6, 13, 6, 7, 9, 11 and 9 tackles in recent games.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/mark-robinson-reveals-his-likes-and-dislikes-for-round-21/news-story/f225d37dd510a273fc1457298b927aad

Goal kicking not his forte????

He doesn't get many chances I'd say, but he makes them count. Not many players with more composure in front of goal than him.

Dumb comment by Slobbo.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Slipper on August 11, 2019, 10:19:37 PM
To me, there is a key reason why Graham looked like he played a dominant game today.

Had 22 disposals, with 19 of them being kicks. Perfect wet weather footy.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Lozza on August 11, 2019, 10:29:54 PM
To me, there is a key reason why Graham looked like he played a dominant game today.

Had 22 disposals, with 19 of them being kicks. Perfect wet weather footy.
It begs the question why so many of his teammates didn't play the same way. So frustrating watching us commit horrid turnovers from over possessing the ball in wet conditions.

The other annoying part of our game was.lack of smalls behind marking contests, would have thought on a wet day that's where you need to have at least one small every time.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on August 11, 2019, 11:47:27 PM
We're the best wet weather team in the comp because we can handball in the tricky stuff. We don't win because of the old fashioned "get it forward" mantra, we win because we're slicker than the rest in those conditions.

Carlton did their best to play it on their terms but couldn't contain it all day.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 11, 2019, 11:48:29 PM
From Robbo's "Likes" column:

3. Jack Graham


Nothing like inspiring a teammate in his milestone game with a best-on-ground performance. Shane Edwards was outstanding in his 250th game. Jack Graham was better — and it was welcomed on the eve of the finals. He kicked four goals to double his season’s tally, but kicking goals is not his forte. In many ways Graham is the heartbeat of effort at Tigerland. His 14 tackles against the Blues follow his 6, 13, 6, 7, 9, 11 and 9 tackles in recent games.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/mark-robinson-reveals-his-likes-and-dislikes-for-round-21/news-story/f225d37dd510a273fc1457298b927aad

Goal kicking not his forte????

He doesn't get many chances I'd say, but he makes them count. Not many players with more composure in front of goal than him.

Dumb comment by Slobbo.

Maybe Jabba meant he doesn't score many goals

Who knows what he means with his rubbish articles
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: eliminator on August 12, 2019, 07:05:20 AM
His attack on the football and strength at contests was outstanding. Played the conditions perfectly. Well done to him.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 12, 2019, 08:27:04 AM
Only player ever recorded to have 14 tackles and 4 goals
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on August 12, 2019, 08:53:32 AM
Only player ever recorded to have 14 tackles and 4 goals
Great stat
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 12, 2019, 09:08:32 AM
Peaking at the right time

Weren't some calling for his trading?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on August 12, 2019, 10:58:12 AM
Peaking at the right time

Weren't some calling for his trading?

Yes me. Hence the humble pie post.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 12, 2019, 11:04:57 AM
Peaking at the right time

Weren't some calling for his trading?

Yes me. Hence the humble pie post.

Better humble pie then denial pie  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on August 12, 2019, 11:14:06 AM
Peaking at the right time

Weren't some calling for his trading?

Yes me. Hence the humble pie post.

Better humble pie then denial pie  :thumbsup

True, however he was nowhere near as effective earlier this year - in fact he was appropriately dropped. Has lifted his game and I suppose got his shoulder confidence back!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Tragic on August 12, 2019, 11:17:20 AM
Goal kicking not his forte????

He doesn't get many chances I'd say, but he makes them count. Not many players with more composure in front of goal than him.

Dumb comment by Slobbo.

Agree, he's one of the best players at slotting goals, on the run or set shots.  Could Robbo remember him slotting 3 goals calmly in the 17 GF?  Probably not, he would have killed a few too many brain cells to remember that
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on August 12, 2019, 02:33:52 PM
Slobbo would've been under the table by quarter time at the GF... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 12, 2019, 03:41:40 PM
Here’s what Graham achieved in his role through the midfield and drifting forward . . .

• Most goals (four).
• Most goal assists (three).
• Most score involvements (nine).
• Most tackles (14).
• Most tackles inside 50 (four).
• Most kicks (19).
• Most inside-50s (eight).
• Most metres gained (594).

In 12 games at senior level for Richmond this season, Graham is averaging 18.4 disposals, 8.1 tackles, 4.9 score involvements, 3.9 inside-50s and 288.2 metres gained. He’s also kicked a total of eight goals – six of them in his past two outings.

Read more at: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-08-12/crackerjack
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on August 12, 2019, 07:51:13 PM
Agree with the comments about him playing wet weather footy the correct way

Far too many clever taps and groovy grubbers yesterday....:shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: big tone on August 12, 2019, 10:49:28 PM
Now there’s the way to cement a finals spot.

I would love the Bolton’s and Baker’s to do the same this week.

You make it hard for the coaches to drop you if you are playing well.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Owl on August 13, 2019, 05:13:57 PM
Agree with the comments about him playing wet weather footy the correct way

Far too many clever taps and groovy grubbers yesterday....:shh
LOL
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on September 20, 2019, 10:38:26 PM
One of the gutsiest individual efforts. Imagine playing most of the game with a busted shoulder including still tackling. Graham is tough as nails.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Buddysucks on September 20, 2019, 10:48:30 PM
Gutsy as hell, hope he can get to the GF.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Owl on September 20, 2019, 10:56:09 PM
Jack the Cyborg Graham
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 20, 2019, 11:10:56 PM
Poor kid's year is done.

He won't/shouldn't play next week.

Need to bring in a hard body to replace him!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Owl on September 20, 2019, 11:16:38 PM
Yeah, shoulders suck,  Poor bugger, he has been part of our success and will miss out on the pay off.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Slipper on September 21, 2019, 12:15:13 AM
Future Captain no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on September 21, 2019, 12:41:18 AM
Looks like he is going to miss on the big one  :(. It's these situations you wish we were like Soccer where the whole squad receives a premiership/championship medal. Graham playing through the pain has helped us into the Granny. He deserves a medal if we go on and win it now.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 21, 2019, 01:16:30 AM
Looks like he is going to miss on the big one  :(. It's these situations you wish we were like Soccer where the whole squad receives a premiership/championship medal. Graham playing through the pain has helped us into the Granny. He deserves a medal if we go on and win it now.

+1. Should set a minimum number of games quota to get a medal like in soccer. Although even with that the clubs generally apply for dispensations to get the players who hadn’t met the quota a medal anyway.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on September 21, 2019, 01:37:46 AM
Further embedded himself into footy folklore... :shh

..and next week it will still be Jack....Jack Ross that is... :shh :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 21, 2019, 02:46:27 AM
Build him a statue  :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Rampsation on September 21, 2019, 03:38:11 AM
Just a brilliant effort. He is a brilliant young bloke and his effort in playing out the last 3 quarters will be the stuff of legend.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2019, 05:43:35 AM
Jack Graham – 4

Was in the wars early when he dislocated his right shoulder in the first quarter. Showed plenty of courage to return to the game in the second half and ensured the Tigers didn't go two players down after Nathan Broad was ruled out with concussion.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/every-tiger-rated-from-the-preliminary-final
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Post by: Rampsation on September 21, 2019, 08:36:09 AM
I would give him 10.

If he doesnt continue to play we are one rotation down for 3/4s and basically up the creek without a paddle.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: eliminator on September 21, 2019, 09:02:51 AM
Hopefully won't miss will depend on scans. Incredibly brave effort.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 21, 2019, 09:05:56 AM
Courage shpuld be his middle name
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 21, 2019, 11:03:29 AM
Absolute legendary status achieved after that effort!   :bow
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Rampsation on September 21, 2019, 11:36:12 AM
He is just an outstanding young bloke and clearly with the likes of Nick Vlastuin a future Richmond Captain.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on September 21, 2019, 11:55:52 AM
If he is is going to play long time, I hope they invest in some surgery so his shoulders don't keep poping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2019, 03:22:52 PM
Looks like he is going to miss on the big one  :(. It's these situations you wish we were like Soccer where the whole squad receives a premiership/championship medal. Graham playing through the pain has helped us into the Granny. He deserves a medal if we go on and win it now.

+1. Should set a minimum number of games quota to get a medal like in soccer. Although even with that the clubs generally apply for dispensations to get the players who hadn’t met the quota a medal anyway.

It's time for the AFL to hand out premiership medals for all contributors

Matt Walsh
ESPN
21 September 2019


Australian basketball legend Andrew Gaze is the first to admit that his 1999 NBA championship ring has a funny story attached to it.

"Insurance", he described himself, as the star-studded San Antonio Spurs squad he was a part of featured headline acts Tim Duncan, David Robinson and current Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr.

Gaze didn't see a minute of action during the 1999 NBA Finals and was actually inactive throughout the Spurs' entire playoff run. But he was still crucial to San Antonio's success and was rightly awarded a championship ring.

But while there's a distinct culture of team success in other codes in other countries, the AFL's policy on handing out premiership medallions is far stricter: you must be part of the 22 to take the field on Grand Final day to make the cut.

Famously, then-Western Bulldogs skipper Bob Murphy missed out on an elusive medal in 2016 when he was cruelly struck down by a ruptured ACL in Round 3. Had he played basketball for San Antonio in 1999, for instance, he would have been given a ring. But because he played footy for the Dogs, he received nothing.

Richmond's Friday night preliminary final win over Geelong once again gave us reason to consider that the AFL should also fittingly reward all those who contributed to premiership glory - not just those present on the biggest day of the year.

Late in the first quarter of the Tigers' 19-point victory, Jack Graham suffered a gruesome dislocated shoulder - one which had him in such pain that he couldn't stand up straight in the aftermath. He ran straight down the race, so out of it that he inadvertently exited the ground through Geelong's interchange gates instead of his own.

Miraculously, Graham managed to return in the second and was vital in allowing the Tigers extra rotations. He also contributed a handful of tackles and three touches in a tense final term.

Richmond coach Damien Hardwick swelled with pride when talking about Graham in his post-match press conference, but admitted his place in Richmond's final 22 for the last Saturday in September was far from a guarantee, after reports surfaced his shoulder popped out a further three times in the change rooms after the match.

"Jack Graham, we would have packed him at half time [if we could]," Hardwick said. "Where it ends up with Jack, I don't know ... but that effort was simply incredible."

It's not only Graham who is in grave danger of missing out on the ultimate success, teammate and fellow 2017 premiership player Nathan Broad was concussed in an ugly double blow which resulted in him having to be helped from the ground. He didn't return.

In an effort to spoil a ball heading for dangerous Cats forward Gryan Miers, Broad leapt for the ball and his head was unintentionally collected by a teammate's hip and then again by an errant knee.

Broad, who has been a crucial piece of Richmond's surge up the ladder in 2019 may be another to miss the Grand Final. Throughout the home-and-away season we saw players held back a week after copping hits nowhere near as significant as what Broad felt.

The Tigers, naturally, will do their utmost to ensure Broad has every opportunity to run onto the MCG on Saturday afternoon, but if the club and the AFL are serious about treating head knocks and concussion with the respect it deserves, Broad shouldn't suit up.

Harsh? Perhaps. In line with the treatment of concussion that we've seen so far in 2019? Absolutely.

But Broad has played 23 games for the Tigers in 2019, and Graham 16. Others likely to miss out if the Tigers win are Sydney Stack (17 games), Mabior Chol (nine), Ryan Garthwaite (seven) and Jack Ross (seven).

It's fair to say they've made pivotal contributions to Richmond's on-field fortunes this year, and would be wholly deserving of a premiership medallion - should the Tigers come away with a win on Saturday afternoon.

To argue against that would be cruel, but as it stands the AFL is only minting 22 premiership medallions. Meaning if Broad, Graham, or anyone else succumbs to injury or omission, they'll miss out on the ultimate prize and a place in history.

https://africa.espn.com/afl/story/_/id/27658666/afl-hand-premiership-medals-all-contributors
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on September 21, 2019, 03:33:09 PM
Richo just said on Ch 7 that Graham's shoulder may have popped out 4 times last night  :P.

After every heavy collision he must have gone off and got it put back in again then came back on. That's freakishly tough.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 21, 2019, 04:21:17 PM
Someone said he was second for pressure points and tackling for the team. This after dislocating his shoulder in the first quarter.... :gobdrop
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on September 21, 2019, 04:32:06 PM
What a machine. I think he'll getup for the granny
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 21, 2019, 04:59:35 PM
He 100% cannot play.

Total liability, especially if his shoulder even came out for a second time let alone a third or fourth.

Once it's done your arm is cooked, no strength with the arm above your head or away from your side.

Sorry Jack, love your spirit and appreciate the commitment, but there is no way in hell you should be playing if you can't guarantee your tackles will stick and the shoulder will hold up.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 21, 2019, 05:35:14 PM
Proved his worth last night. Tough as dogs nuts, future leader. Not a champion talent but a champion heart. Don't know if that makes sense but it does to me...:shh

Thanks for your commitment Jack
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2019, 05:54:18 PM
Graham on Ch 7 just said he will do everything to play. Get it strapped up and have some painkillers.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 21, 2019, 07:44:03 PM
Proved his worth last night. Tough as dogs nuts, future leader. Not a champion talent but a champion heart. Don't know if that makes sense but it does to me...:shh

Thanks for your commitment Jack

Makes sense

Scary I know but I get it
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2019, 09:38:26 PM
Richmond midfielder, Jack Graham dislocated his right shoulder in last night’s preliminary final win over Geelong. 

Following scans today, and after consultation with the Club’s medical team, Graham will undertake some rehabilitation and strengthening work this week in a bid to play in Saturday’s AFL Grand Final. 

The Club will make a decision on his availability later in the week.

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-09-21/graham-broad-medical-update



Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 23, 2019, 11:26:26 PM
"[Graham is] much the same as the last couple of days, he seems in pretty good spirits," Cotchin said.

"His shoulder probably isn't as bad as they expected, but it'll just be one of those ones they need to make sure he's fine to play on Saturday."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-23/tough-tiger-still-a-fighting-chance-to-play-in-grand-final
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 24, 2019, 01:41:14 PM
Graham at training this morning.

Giving himself every opportunity 👊 #gotiges

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFMQtm6VUAA9Jq1?format=jpg&name=small) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFMQtkoU0AA3HAX?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 24, 2019, 01:59:00 PM
But can he throw his arm out to the side and lay a tackle on a bloke running past? I severely doubt it!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on September 24, 2019, 02:33:38 PM
Needs to pass the "Francis Bourke test" at the final training session...:shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 24, 2019, 02:40:32 PM
Needs to pass the "Francis Bourke test" at the final training session...:shh
Graham to go on and coach three flags?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on September 24, 2019, 02:42:33 PM
Needs to pass the "Francis Bourke test" at the final training session...:shh
Graham to go on and coach three flags?

As long as none of them are at Collingwood then sure, why not.... :shh :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Gracie on September 24, 2019, 03:20:09 PM
But can he throw his arm out to the side and lay a tackle on a bloke running past? I severely doubt it!

Laid more tackles against Geelong after injuring his shoulder than 15 of his teammates made for the whole game
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: pmac21 on September 24, 2019, 03:46:02 PM
Jack has been ruled out the Grand Final.  His legacy will be forever indebted to Tigerland for his effort last week
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on September 24, 2019, 03:48:28 PM
Jack has been ruled out the Grand Final.  His legacy will be forever indebted to Tigerland for his effort last week

 :cheers :clapping
Here here
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 24, 2019, 03:59:47 PM
Damn
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: lamington on September 24, 2019, 04:17:26 PM
Oh man that is the pits. I’m generally against Willy nilly rule changes afl hq make every year but if we do win the flag graham and stack not getting medals is severely sad
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: 1965 on September 24, 2019, 04:20:24 PM
He has another 10 years ahead of him playing for the Tigers. Hopefully he will get several more shots at a flag.

 :cheers
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Loui Tufga on September 24, 2019, 04:33:48 PM
Gutted for him :(
But as they say, what doesn’t kill you can only make you stronger!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Owl on September 24, 2019, 07:36:17 PM
bloody shame, he is a big part of why we are there
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 25, 2019, 01:24:24 AM
"We’re so proud of Jack for playing on after he was injured on Friday night, he is the ultimate team man," Richmond general manager of football Neil Balme said.

"He has tried his hardest to be available to play this Saturday, and we commend him for that, but there’s a high probability that he will re-injure himself in Saturday’s game, which has influenced our decision.

"While he may not be out there on Saturday, his contribution to the team this season has been invaluable."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-24/confirmed-tigers-rule-injured-midfielder-out-of-grand-final
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on November 12, 2019, 04:00:05 PM
Who needs a contract? Your club's most intriguing unsigned player for 2020

AFL.com.au
Marc McGowan
Nov 12, 2019


RICHMOND

Jack Graham (out of contract)

Graham wasted little time making an impact at Tigerland, winning a premiership and almost a Norm Smith Medal in his fifth AFL game in 2017. The South Australian's had down patches since, including time in the VFL, but his 22-disposal, four-goal game against Carlton highlighted his strong second half of this year. A badly timed shoulder re-dislocation cost him playing in the Grand Final.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-11/who-needs-a-contract-your-clubs-most-intriguing-unsigned-player-for-2020
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on December 07, 2019, 04:19:13 AM
‘It was hard to watch’: Tough Tiger’s Grand Final pain

Rebecca Williams
Herald Sun
December 7, 2019


Tiger Jack Graham has opened up on his Grand Final heartache, declaring it will drive him in his recovery from shoulder surgery as he aims to get back to the big stage with the premiers next year.

The heartbreaking tale of Richmond’s finals campaign, Graham also revealed the special moment he shared with the man who replaced him in the Grand Final team and went on to become one of the great premiership stories.

Graham missed out on the chance to win a second premiership medallion after he was ruled out of the Grand Final against Greater Western Sydney after dislocating his shoulder in the team’s preliminary final win over Geelong.

The 21-year-old injured his shoulder in the first quarter of the preliminary final, but bravely played out the match with the joint heavily strapped.

Graham admitted the last few months has been challenging as he came to terms with what he had missed out on.

“It was pretty tough,” Graham said of missing out on the premiership win.

“Deep down, I knew that I wasn’t going to play once the doc told me he hadn’t really sent anyone out on the ground the following week with a dislocated shoulder.

“I knew deep down that I was probably not going to play, so just trying to take all that in and digest it was pretty hard.

“During the week I kind of accepted that I wasn’t playing and got around the boys and tried to soak it all in, but on game day sitting in the stands knowing that I should be out there playing was pretty hard to watch.”

Graham’s injury misfortune opened the door for the Tigers to name 27-year-old mid-season recruit Marlion Pickett for his AFL debut in the Grand Final.

Pickett went on to deliver an eye-catching AFL entrance in the Grand Final, finishing third in the voting for the Norm Smith Medal with his 22 disposals and one goal.

Graham said he couldn’t have been happier for Pickett and told of how they shared a celebratory moment in the rooms together after the premiership win.

“I couldn’t be any more rapt for Marlion because he is such a great player and … it is just amazing how it all worked out and for his journey and for him to experience that,” Graham said.

“For him to celebrate with the boys after one game is crazy and he is going to be a great player for us (next) year and I’m really looking forward to what he can do because we’ve already seen what he can do in one game in front of the biggest crowd.

“We shared a moment and just thought ‘How good is this?’. I was lucky enough to do it (win 2017 premiership) in my fifth game, he did it in his first game … it’s a great story.”

After his off-season shoulder surgery – his second in as many years – Graham is back on light duties at pre-season training, but will not be able to resume contact work until mid-January.

Having experienced the ultimate football heartache, Graham said he was more driven than ever for his pre-season campaign.

“I’m really motivated. It’s a bit hard being in rehab … but I’m just doing everything I can to maintain my fitness and get ready for 2020,” the preliminary final hero said.

“Even though (2017) was only my fifth game … that feeling you definitely want it and that’s why we all play footy is to win premierships with the team.

“It was definitely hard watching but I’m just rapt for the football club and rapt for the boys to experience that feeling.”

Graham said he hoped to be fit for the start of the pre-season competition.

“I will aim to be back for the first JLT and speaking with the physios, that’s definitely on the cards, but we’ve just got to see how it goes once we ramp up the contact work,” he said.

“It’s tracking nicely, obviously still pretty sore and I don’t have much movement of range. I’m back at about 80 per cent speed running so I can still get a few more k’s in my legs, but obviously all the contact stuff and running will be the middle of January to early Feb away.”

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jack-graham-opens-up-on-the-heartache-of-missing-richmonds-2019-premiership/news-story/12f28e80a552316d4014b1eaaef56e54
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on December 08, 2019, 04:28:05 AM
We would unlikely have made it to the big dance and become premiers again without Graham's gutsy heroics playing 3/4ers of the Prelim with a busted shoulder. I still reckon there should be premiership medals for squad players who play a big part in the team getting to a GF but can't play.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on December 08, 2019, 10:42:29 AM
Maybe players who contribute to the finals series, or those who play X amount of games throughout the year
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Post by: one-eyed on April 15, 2020, 02:34:36 PM
Taking over Richmond_FC's Instagram today... Jack Graham that is! 🤠 📲

Tune in to see what he gets up to over in Koongawa, SA: https://www.instagram.com/richmond_fc/?igshid=187hvwhd3iere (https://www.instagram.com/richmond_fc/?igshid=187hvwhd3iere)

 
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on April 30, 2020, 07:53:42 PM
Richmond youngster Jack Graham has opened up on the despair of missing last year's premiership. But with footy on hiatus, the midfielder is working overtime on the farm to make sure history doesn't repeat. @bradeningram #9News

Watch here: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1255782018933293057

Graham said he felt worse on Grand Final day not being out there than being told by Dimma midweek that he wasn't playing due to the dislocated shoulder. Celebrating with the boys in the week afterwards helped him though.

He's currently chasing sheep around on a farm in SA. That's helping his sprint training  ;D.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on June 19, 2020, 01:58:44 PM
Graham still looks like he is playing with only one good wing. It's affecting his ability to stick tackles (mind you he had plenty of mates last night). His tackling stats are significantly down on last year's.
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Post by: Francois Jackson on June 19, 2020, 05:19:52 PM
is he too slow for us now, if he aint doing the hard stuff? Look i dont know but gee the saints will beat us next week if we go in with the same old slow players.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on June 19, 2020, 07:28:13 PM
is he too slow for us now, if he aint doing the hard stuff? Look i dont know but gee the saints will beat us next week if we go in with the same old slow players.

I don't think so. We know we can win with these players it's not like all of a sudden it just doesn't work. Just have to get back to the effort and pressure we saw last year and all of a sudden every player looks great.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on June 20, 2020, 05:00:01 PM
His no winger tho guys only midfield or tagging job for a start.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on July 13, 2020, 05:02:35 AM
Graham thrived in the wet conditions, finishing the match with 16 disposals, including a game-high seven inside-50s, game-high six score involvements, four marks, an equal-game high six tackles and 404 metres gained.

Full article: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/742384/graham-steps-up
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on July 13, 2020, 07:45:09 PM
Best game for a while and looked to be running across the ground which was pleasing.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on July 19, 2020, 03:42:13 PM
In good form at the moment. Love the way he has taken the Cotchin on field role with both hands. As always, covers the ground well and hits in hard. I am most happy he has improved his kicking and decision making :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on July 19, 2020, 03:50:15 PM
Playing in his natural role to.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on July 19, 2020, 04:36:21 PM
Still think he’s favouring his injured shoulder at times during the game. Anyone else seeing that?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on July 19, 2020, 07:51:42 PM
Still think he’s favouring his injured shoulder at times during the game. Anyone else seeing that?

Yes.

Doesn't hang his arm out and grab blokes like he used to. They can just run past that arm and he won't tackle.

To be honest I've done my own shoulder twice and I'm not surprised. It really never is the same. You learn to modify your life to suit it...
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 18, 2020, 02:54:56 AM
How did we all see Graham's return to the side?

16 disposals (6k, 10h, 11c, 7u, 69% eff.)
2 marks
3 clearances
8 tackles
2 inside 50s
3 intercepts
183 metres gained
1 score involvement
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on August 18, 2020, 06:05:25 AM
A bit meh for me
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: MintOnLamb on August 18, 2020, 07:09:50 AM
So 8 tackles meh?
Good for mine
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Rampsation on August 18, 2020, 08:09:06 AM
I think he played his role well. 16disp and 8 tackles is a good day at the office. His tackling is a feature.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 18, 2020, 10:04:31 AM
def keeps his spot. Played a nice game last night.

if only some others would adopt the same tackling pressure. The one handed brigade we are building needs to stop.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Gracie on August 18, 2020, 01:29:14 PM
Led the pressure acts as well

Good game. A few others were worse than him. Played without any strapping to either shoulder so that is a good sign.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on August 18, 2020, 04:28:39 PM
Based on his previous form, excellent game
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 23, 2020, 11:42:21 AM
best game for the year.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: tdy on August 23, 2020, 12:06:40 PM
Seems a real leadership type to me but I'm not in the inner circle.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 23, 2020, 01:25:50 PM
best game for the year.
Definitely.

23 disposals (9k, 14h, 9c, 14u, 91% eff.)
2 marks
2 tackles
4 clearances
2 centre clearances
2 intercepts
5 inside 50s
225 metres gained
10 score involvements
3 goal assists
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on August 27, 2020, 10:49:05 PM
Backed up his game from the dons one that's what we need was so good.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Fluffy Tiger on August 27, 2020, 10:53:30 PM
Was great tonight. Apologies he don't get votes from me.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: eliminator on August 28, 2020, 07:37:04 AM
His tackling is elite. His tackle on Nic Nat was brilliant. Great passage of play for first goal set up by his attack on the football. Played a really good game.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on August 28, 2020, 10:53:44 AM
His tackling is elite. His tackle on Nic Nat was brilliant. Great passage of play for first goal set up by his attack on the football. Played a really good game.

Omg yes. Talk about David and Goliath
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on August 28, 2020, 05:10:35 PM
Let’s face it this kid has shown since his first game that when it’s a big game he’s switched on and busts a nut. He has the runs on the board over his very short career. Not blessed with speed or sublime skill but he epitomises what this club is all about since we changed our culture.  :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on August 28, 2020, 05:44:00 PM
Let’s face it this kid has shown since his first game that when it’s a big game he’s switched on and busts a nut. He has the runs on the board over his very short career. Not blessed with speed or sublime skill but he epitomises what this club is all about since we changed our culture.  :clapping


Skills are not that bad- could be the best set shot in the team :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on August 28, 2020, 08:22:11 PM
Let’s face it this kid has shown since his first game that when it’s a big game he’s switched on and busts a nut. He has the runs on the board over his very short career. Not blessed with speed or sublime skill but he epitomises what this club is all about since we changed our culture.  :clapping


Skills are not that bad- could be the best set shot in the team :shh

Absolutely. Ice cool under pressure in front of goal.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on August 28, 2020, 10:33:31 PM
A few errant handballs and hack kicks here and there but good game overall... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 03, 2020, 12:27:13 AM
Another very good game. He’s a dead eye from set shots.

Still think he’s favouring that shoulder every now and then though.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 03, 2020, 01:56:08 AM
Graham's game last night:

18 disposals (12k, 6h, 10c, 9h, 66.7% eff.)
2 marks
2 clearances (1 centre)
2 tackles
4 inside 50s
395 metres gained
2 intercepts
6 score involvements
1 goal assist
1 goal
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Rampsation on September 03, 2020, 10:05:19 AM
Another very decent performance from Jack.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on September 03, 2020, 12:31:07 PM
Good game but his lack of pace still concerns me, moreso when Nank, Soldo & Higgins are also playing... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on September 03, 2020, 01:00:22 PM
Havent been a huge fan but his last few games have been good. He looks to be moving a lot more freely and attacking the baller a lot harder. Maybe finally over his shoulder injury
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Post by: pmac21 on September 03, 2020, 01:57:46 PM
Sign him up.  Would hate to see him in another jumper.  Future captain.
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Post by: Rampsation on September 03, 2020, 02:33:40 PM
The richmond imbeciles on big footy want to trade him out for a packet of twisties lol.
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Post by: Diocletian on September 03, 2020, 02:56:23 PM
The same mouthbreathers who think we're getting Josh Kelly & Patrick Cripps next year and that Kellie Underwood's a good commentator... :shh

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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 03, 2020, 03:05:43 PM
The same mouthbreathers who think we're getting Josh Kelly & Patrick Cripps next year and that Kellie Underwood's a good commentator... :shh

I would take Kellie Underwood over Eddie McFlog, Bruce and BT.
It is a low watermark but these blokes are unlistenable.
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Post by: Diocletian on September 03, 2020, 03:15:30 PM
Actually think McChins a very good play-by-play commentator..it's just all the crap he goes on with in between calling the action... :shh

Best commentator by a mile is Speed. :shh :shh
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Post by: Damo on September 03, 2020, 03:15:44 PM
Kellie Underwood is the worst commentator of any sport in the world bar none

She’s horrendous
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Post by: Diocletian on September 03, 2020, 03:24:25 PM
Not the worst but close...she's a very good presenter on Fox Footy - on The Back Page & Offsiders however, she's quite the annoying p.c. scold... :shh
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Post by: Damo on September 03, 2020, 03:34:07 PM
I mean as a match day commentator
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Post by: Diocletian on September 03, 2020, 03:41:18 PM
Does Daisy Piercing-Voice's boundary comments count?   :shh

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 03, 2020, 03:41:28 PM
Kellie Underwood is the worst commentator of any sport in the world bar none

She’s horrendous

You prefer Eddie McGuire and Bruce?  ::)
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Post by: Diocletian on September 03, 2020, 03:43:51 PM
Eddie strictly as a play-by-play commentator easily.... :shh

...and at least Bruce was good once....(although he was always slightly annoying) :shh :shh
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Post by: Diocletian on September 03, 2020, 03:54:04 PM
Either way ...I think most would agree that with each passing season the premature loss of Clinton Grybas grows ever larger.... :shh
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Post by: big tone on September 03, 2020, 04:15:44 PM
Kellie Underwood is the worst commentator of any sport in the world bar none

She’s horrendous
Yep have to agree, she is putrid.

I was close to turning the volume down.
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Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 03, 2020, 05:06:54 PM
Tries to hard for magical quotes

"Riewoldt has springs in his knees...as he soars into the Gold Coast sky". FMD you can't escape poo commentators. Give me Jim Brayshaw calling the action solo over the rest of these clowns.
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Post by: WilliamPowell on September 03, 2020, 05:52:51 PM

Best commentator by a mile is Speed. :shh :shh

Certainly one of the best. Best NRL caller by a very long way

I like Jason Bennett, pity ch7 doesn't use him more.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 03, 2020, 09:13:48 PM
Eddie strictly as a play-by-play commentator easily.... :shh

...and at least Bruce was good once....(although he was always slightly annoying) :shh :shh

Eddie screams at the game, it’s nauseating to listen.
Bruce .... I’m not sure, has senility well and truly set in. I can barely make out what he’s trying to say at times.
I agree on Grybus. He was very good. Commentating has become like Hollywood acting. Once you have that contract, the network is stuck with you.
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Post by: Rampsation on September 03, 2020, 09:21:26 PM
Either way ...I think most would agree that with each passing season the premature loss of Clinton Grybas grows ever larger.... :shh

Not a truer word said about sports commentary in Australia. Clinton Grybas was a gun and clearly on his way to being regarded the best commentator in the nation.
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Post by: Damo on September 03, 2020, 11:12:15 PM
Kellie Underwood is the worst commentator of any sport in the world bar none

She’s horrendous

You prefer Eddie McGuire and Bruce?  ::)


WITHOUT DOUBT !!
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Post by: Francois Jackson on September 04, 2020, 06:45:06 AM
I don’t want to see Graham leave this club. What he has brought to the table this last month has gone a long way to us winning some of these games

Sign him now
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Post by: WilliamPowell on September 04, 2020, 06:48:27 AM
I don’t want to see Graham leave this club. What he has brought to the table this last month has gone a long way to us winning some of these games

Sign him now

Not sure they can, not because they don't want to but because HQ & THE AFLPA are negotiating around revising the current CBA around list sizes and salary cap

Think a lot of clubs need that detail to some deals
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 04, 2020, 08:14:24 AM
Kellie Underwood is the worst commentator of any sport in the world bar none

She’s horrendous

You prefer Eddie McGuire and Bruce?  ::)

 :chuck

WITHOUT DOUBT !!
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Post by: lamington on September 04, 2020, 08:38:46 AM
Re: commentators.

For me James brayshaw on triple M is by far my favourite. Going nuts with the nicknames and the emotion he puts in.

On TV Denis commeti. He had the agility to called the game with no delay (unlike Basil) and had some absolute pearler one liners without trying too hard.

Least favourite would be Anthony Hudson and Robert walls by a country mile
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Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 04, 2020, 09:50:37 AM
Huddo is probably the best behind JB. Cometti was good for a long time but was a borderline meme towards the end. He & Bruce...Geez. Funnily enough I don't mind Bruce if he's just calling the play, it's just too many "specials", rhetorical questions and terrible views when he actually tries to make observations. Great caller for athletics though
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 04, 2020, 11:19:52 AM
I don’t want to see Graham leave this club. What he has brought to the table this last month has gone a long way to us winning some of these games

Sign him now

Not sure they can, not because they don't want to but because HQ & THE AFLPA are negotiating around revising the current CBA around list sizes and salary cap

Think a lot of clubs need that detail to some deals

well after todays developments i think there may be a spot for Graham .

if the reports are true, i would make it a priority to trade CCJ to crows for a future pick and Stack to Freo.



Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 11, 2020, 03:16:25 PM
Graham's 50th game tonight :clapping

2017    5 games
2018  18    "
2019  16    "
2020  11*  "
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Total   50* games

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jack_Graham.html

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Graham has also been the #1 pressure player in the AFL over our last two games (Rounds 14 & 15)

Round 14 vs West Coast

16 possessions
1 goal
80.4 pressure points
37 pressure acts
3 tackles
30% tackle efficiency
86 mins time on ground

Round 15 vs Fremantle

18 possessions
1 goal
45.0 pressure points
21 pressure acts
2 tackles
66.7% tackling efficiency
78 mins time on ground


Overall, Graham is 6th in the AFL across the season averaging 51.3 pressure points from his 10 games.

Source: AFL Record: Round 17, 2020 (https://issuu.com/lifestyle1-media/docs/afl_record_-_round_17__2020/1?ff).
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Rampsation on September 11, 2020, 05:00:42 PM
Well done to Fridge. A quality young bloke from all reports.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Chuck17 on September 11, 2020, 10:45:44 PM
Good first half

Died a bit in the second half tho
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 11, 2020, 10:53:57 PM
This sort of player is the type you don’t trade. Has a heart of gold Like a workhorse doesn’t stop.
Epitomises our team and song.

I wouldn’t ever trade him.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 11, 2020, 11:03:09 PM
This sort of player is the type you don’t trade. Has a heart of gold Like a workhorse doesn’t stop.
Epitomises our team and song.

I wouldn’t ever trade him.

Nailed on best 22 when he isn’t playing one armed like he was at the start of the year.
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Post by: one-eyed on September 19, 2020, 09:43:22 PM
Graham finding more of the ball and having more impact as we head into the finals.

21 disposals (10k, 11h, 10c, 11u, 52.4% eff.)
8 tackles (1 in50 tackle)
3 clearances
3 intercepts
4 inside 50s
368m gained
5 score involvements
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 19, 2020, 09:56:09 PM
Has been awesome last 4-6 weeks. Resign ASAP!
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Post by: WilliamPowell on September 19, 2020, 10:30:03 PM
Has been awesome last 4-6 weeks. Resign ASAP!

I hope you mean re-sign

Don't want him resigning  :cheers
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 19, 2020, 11:39:47 PM
Has been awesome last 4-6 weeks. Resign ASAP!

I hope you mean re-sign

Don't want him resigning  :cheers

 :lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Rampsation on September 20, 2020, 05:56:13 AM
Posters on big footy want to trade him for a packet of chips. The lunacy on that site is something to behold.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 20, 2020, 07:38:01 AM
Posters on big footy want to trade him for a packet of chips. The lunacy on that site is something to behold.

I tell my Mum (who always thinks the world is going to end) to stop watching the 6pm news because it isn’t good for her mental health.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 20, 2020, 01:55:06 PM
Jack Riewoldt on 3aw was asked, "If he could choose any Tiger mid to pass him the ball on the lead who would it be? Jack replied Graham was his favourite (followed by Cotch). Graham pulls up on his kick which off-puts opposition defenders when Jack-R leads. 
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Post by: georgies31 on September 20, 2020, 04:24:59 PM
Has improved since coming back all aspects super important.Does the hard and tough stuff.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 20, 2020, 04:41:51 PM
I for one would be devastated if he were traded because I see him as a probable future captain.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on September 20, 2020, 06:11:09 PM
All depends what we got in return...not as if he's one of our untouchables... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2020, 04:56:42 AM
"Jack Graham adds a different dynamic to our midfield, he’s a gut-running pressure player and he’s putting his stamp on the game." - Jack Riewoldt on 3aw.


Graham had 29 pressure acts by the way against the Crows. 8 more than the next best (Nank & Ross on 21).
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Post by: one-eyed on September 22, 2020, 02:32:38 AM
Pressure Players - Top 5 since Round 9:

1. Jack Graham
2. Clayton Oliver
3. Tom Rockliff
4. Hugh Greenwood
5. Jed Anderson

Source: Fox Footy.
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Post by: Francois Jackson on September 22, 2020, 09:59:45 AM
must keep, that is all i know

will take over Cotch very soon.

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Post by: lamington on September 22, 2020, 01:26:09 PM
His heroics in the prelim against Geelong speaks volumes of Graham. I know his form had been a bit patchy but for me he has significant runs on the board for how he went about it against Geelong and let’s not forget his 3 goal haul against Adelaide
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Post by: Diocletian on September 25, 2020, 03:42:23 PM
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1309361223465541633

 :shh
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Post by: The Machine on September 25, 2020, 03:48:59 PM
 :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 25, 2020, 04:01:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1309361223465541633

 :shh

Well done Willy

You tipped this  :clapping :clapping :clapping

And having spoken to Jack on numerous occasions in the last few years it is absolutely no surprise  :thumbsup
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Post by: Willy on September 25, 2020, 04:04:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1309361223465541633

 :shh

Well done Willy

You tipped this  :clapping :clapping :clapping


Thanks skip. Means a lot.
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Post by: Rampsation on September 25, 2020, 06:53:44 PM
Great result for the young man. And well deserved.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 25, 2020, 09:33:12 PM
Excellent.

Any guesses on the coin? I don't think he's a big $$$ player. $1.5kk over 4 years?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 25, 2020, 10:23:05 PM
PREMIERSHIP TIGER REJECTS INTEREST FROM THREE CLUBS

Richmond midfielder Jack Graham has reportedly signed a new deal to remain at Punt Road, despite interest from three rival sides.

The 22-year-old will be linked to the Tigers for up to four more years, according to multiple reports.

Graham was “giving serious consideration” to joining Carlton, according to SEN, where he would’ve massively helped Patrick Cripps as another big-bodied midfielder.

Adelaide and Essendon were also linked to the out-of-contract Tiger, who played out the 2019 preliminary final win with a shoulder injury and missed the next week’s flag victory - though he played in the 2017 triumph.

The South Australian has played 51 games at Richmond.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trades-2020-trade-whispers-news-rumours-jack-graham-richmond-carlton-jake-carlisle-st-kilda-ruckmen/news-story/2eecd76b5031816a0e8dc2136337f10d

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Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 26, 2020, 10:10:08 AM
Great news. I love what this bloke brings to our team.  :clapping :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: taztiger4 on September 26, 2020, 11:47:36 AM
confirmed, 3 years is good

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/818994/graham-signs-on
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Rampsation on September 26, 2020, 01:31:08 PM
Hes a good speaker. Confident. Answers well. Good future captaincy material IMHO.
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Post by: one-eyed on September 27, 2020, 05:37:37 AM
“The club’s in a great spot, an exciting future ahead and I’m rapt to be here for another three years,” Jack Graham said.

“Since coming in in 2017 - it was a pretty good year to come in - obviously we won the flag and I was lucky enough to be a part of that. Then I’ve had some ups and downs, a couple of shoulder injuries, which didn’t help, but here I am now ready to go again leading into finals.

“It’s just going to be an exciting time, I’m really looking forward to it, along with the next three years of my future at Richmond.

“I love the club for the culture, the boys, and obviously footy is the most important thing, but all the things off-field that I enjoy.

“It’s a great place to be, we have so much fun, and I can’t picture myself being anywhere else.”

Richmond list boss Blair Hartley said Graham's signature was an important fillip for the club.

"Jack has been a fantastic player for us since arriving from South Australia and is an important part of our future," he said.

"We look forward to seeing Jack continue to play football the Richmond way and hope he is able to help contribute towards more team success."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/511057/flag-tiger-knocks-back-suitors-to-remain-at-punt-road
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Post by: georgies31 on September 27, 2020, 08:42:56 AM
“I love the club for the culture, the boys, and obviously footy is the most important thing, but all the things off-field that I enjoy.

“It’s a great place to be, we have so much fun, and I can’t picture myself being anywhere else.”

The best part  :clapping.
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Post by: mightytiges on September 30, 2020, 02:51:01 PM
Graham deserves to play in another flag win. His 3-goal heroics in his 5th game went along way to us winning in 2017 and most of all his self-less courage in last year's Prelim got us to the big dance and another flag which he missed out on.
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Post by: 1965 on September 30, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
 :thumbsup
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Post by: one-eyed on October 03, 2020, 03:45:30 AM
Jack Graham

Had 16 touches but also laid 9 tackles, the most of any player on the ground. Richmond’s pressure game is paramount to their success and Graham brought his best in that regard.

Rating: 8

Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-brisbane-lions-second-qualifying-final-reviews-stats-tigers-best-and-worst-players/news-story/156df1b76297836ac1f12af8237ff86c)
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Post by: WilliamPowell on October 03, 2020, 10:15:00 AM
Was our best last night

IMHO
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Post by: Tigeritis™©® on October 03, 2020, 10:31:12 AM
Was our best last night

IMHO
Agreed. The only player to really stand up and played our pressure game. The rest should be ashamed of their efforts in that regard.

Finals isn’t the time to skimp on pressure because it’s an absolute necessity to winning them.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 10, 2020, 05:12:04 AM
Jack Graham

The big bodied midfielder did a lot of his work outside of the contest, using it effectively well moving forward .

Rating: 3

Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-st-kilda-second-semi-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/afdeaa6b7f13cced41d21c91e03b900e)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on October 10, 2020, 10:32:35 AM
Very underrated goes unnoticed.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on October 10, 2020, 01:51:26 PM
Played well but man if he was just half a yard quicker.... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 17, 2020, 06:13:50 AM
Jack Graham

The most pressure acts of any Tiger and showed why the club made sure to keep him around. In wet conditions his use wasn’t as good as it could be, which led to six turnovers.

Rating: 7

Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-port-adelaide-first-preliminary-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/5a240d072bb6873234eb176397899eaf)
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Post by: one-eyed on October 18, 2020, 04:19:17 PM
Luckless Tiger Jack Graham gets second shot at AFL premiership after missing 2019 through injury

The West Australian
Sun, 18 October 2020


Richmond’s Jack Graham says he felt pure relief when the final siren went against Port Adelaide and he finished the match uninjured.

Graham was the Tigers’ hard luck story of 2019.

He injured his shoulder in the first quarter of the preliminary final win against Geelong and bravely returned to the field.

But the damage sustained meant he missed the team’s success against GWS a week later.

Now one year on, Graham has a shot at winning his second premiership.

“Yeah it was a bit of a relief when the siren’s gone and I was all in one piece compared to last year,” he said on the Sunday Footy Show.

“We knew it was going to be tough travelling over to Adelaide with the Port fans.

“It’s an amazing experience and the atmosphere over there is huge.

“It was good to get the reward on Friday night.”

While 2020 has been a tough year for many, Graham has plenty of reasons to smile.

The midfielder turned his back on rival interest to remain at Tigerland, reportedly for another four years.

Speaking about his contract negotiations, Graham said he never wanted to leave Punt Road.

“I never really had any intentions to leave,” he said.

“We’ve obviously got managers and that’s what managers are for.

“Once a deal was there and we were able to get it done, I was really keen to stay at Richmond and they obviously showed faith in me in selecting me.”

https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/luckless-tiger-jack-graham-gets-second-shot-at-afl-premiership-after-missing-2019-through-injury-ng-b881696340z
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on October 18, 2020, 06:08:03 PM
He gas gone up another level and become such important player for us.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on October 21, 2020, 02:52:55 PM
Footy doesn't always work this way but if there's someone who deserves another premiership medal it's Graham after he missed out last year courageously putting the team first in the Geelong Prelim playing on with a busted shoulder.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 25, 2020, 06:28:37 AM
Jack Graham – 6
Made up for lost time after missing last year's decider with a busted shoulder. Threw his body around with abandon and was strong in the contest with 17 touches. Was occasionally found in defence, perhaps filling the Nick Vlastuin role.

Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/521174/tigers-player-ratings-no-passengers-on-the-tiger-train)

Jack Graham
Really lifted when the game got hot and started to really turn in the Tigers favour. Graham put his head over the ball and got it moving to goal. After missing out in 2019, there’s no doubting the youngster deserved to be part of the win.

Rating: 6

Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-2020-richmond-vs-geelong-dustin-martin-player-ratings-tigers-stats-best-and-worst-players-afl-finals-gabba/news-story/2c23bd9c6b85150e3f828938dc9c0006)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on December 07, 2020, 01:47:35 PM
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/840274/bargain-basement-premiership-tiger-s-beginning-jack-graham

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on January 10, 2021, 04:50:45 AM
Even during preseason, working on the mental side of the game in terms of preparation and coping with the pressures of professional footy is one of the keys to our success.

Video: https://www.instagram.com/stories/jackgraham_1/2482404547164061388/?hl=en

Here is what Graham is holding in the above clip: https://theinnergamejournals.com/

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on March 06, 2021, 03:38:24 AM
Graham had 11 score involvements last night to go along with his 26 possies in the midfield.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on March 07, 2021, 01:24:38 AM
Graham had 11 score involvements last night to go along with his 26 possies in the midfield.
Looks to have trimmed down and seems to have gained a yard of pace too.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on March 07, 2021, 03:09:15 AM
If he's gained a yard a yard of pace then everyone else must've gained two... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on March 19, 2021, 07:32:02 AM
Dimma talking about Graham post-game:

Graham is a transitional mid. The game comes to him now. It's a transitional game now. If you can't run then you can't play. It's as simple as that. You look at the way he runs on tape he is an incredible athlete that runs from contest to contest. I think he got it 27 times tonight. A lot of contested ball. The game suits him now. Guys like Kane Lambert and Dion Prestia likewise. We're lucky our recruiting staff recruited these types of players as they are going to be very valuable. You look at Sam Walsh tonight. The game comes to him as well. Had 30 and covered the ground well. Incredible!
 
Graham was good last week in the practice match as well even with Cotchin alongside him. Now that game is structured longer, Jack gets better as the game goes along. He's an incredible aerobic beast and he just runs. He gut runs as long as I've seen. We show our guys vision of him all the time. He's been a very good player for us over a number of years but his best footy is certainly in front of him.


33 disposals ( 22k, 11h, 8c, 26u, 78.8% )
5 marks
3 tackles
5 clearances ( 2 centre clearances )
11 inside 50s
2 intercepts
836 metres gained
7 score involvements
1 goal assist
76% game time
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Loui Tufga on March 19, 2021, 07:54:54 AM
Thought he was excellent last night, let’s hope he can keep it going all season.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 19, 2021, 09:03:30 AM
great game

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on March 19, 2021, 11:53:15 AM
BEAST ! Graham, Ross, Bolton our next top tier mids. Good to see some great signs.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on March 19, 2021, 07:56:39 PM
Took it to another level.

Running has improved dramatically.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on March 19, 2021, 09:12:45 PM
Thought he was excellent last night, let’s hope he can keep it going all season.

He will- the fittest he has been and changes yo the rules is in his wheelhouse!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 19, 2021, 09:31:48 PM
Amazing what a full pre-season and having full movement and confidence in the shoulder will do
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: pmac21 on March 19, 2021, 10:17:54 PM
Wish he had of kicked that running goal in the last.  Loved his game.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on March 19, 2021, 10:31:10 PM
Carlton did have a real dip at recruiting him, they might be really disappointed at the moment- so sad
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Post by: Tigeritis™©® on March 19, 2021, 10:38:37 PM
One of my favourites and I’m glad he stayed with us.

I think he’s gained an extra step of speed too despite what Dio thinks :rollin
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Post by: the claw on March 20, 2021, 11:01:36 AM
had him top three for us this game.
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Post by: one-eyed on March 23, 2021, 05:02:06 AM
JACK GRAHAM v Carl:

33 disposals (career-high was 24)
836m gained (career-high was 594)
26 pressure acts

The only other players to post 30/800/25 in an AFL game:

Gary Ablett Jr (2012)
Nat Fyfe (2015)

https://twitter.com/_tigertime/status/1373930997696323585
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Post by: one-eyed on March 26, 2021, 03:49:49 PM
From Barrett's latest 'Sliding Doors' column:

IF ... Dusty, Cotch, Riewoldt, Prestia, Grimes, Lynch and Edwards usually attract the headlines ...

THEN ... Jack Graham is about to join them. Great finals series in 2020, a blistering start to 2021.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/569108/sliding-doors
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Post by: Gracie on March 26, 2021, 11:53:36 PM
 Can some one explain to Barrett what the term sliding doors
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Post by: one-eyed on March 28, 2021, 11:43:08 AM
The 'incredible aerobic beast' who's proving his doubters wrong

Jack Graham had his doubters as an under-age star but two flags later, he's proven some recruiters wrong


By Riley Beveridge
afl.com.au
28 March 2021


"IF YOU can't run, you can't play."

In his glowing praise of Jack Graham's career-best performance in last Thursday night's season-opening victory over Carlton, that line from Richmond coach Damien Hardwick might have stuck with a few AFL recruiters.

It certainly stuck with Graham.

The game is evolving to suit players like the tireless 23-year-old. The running machines that can go all day, from contest to contest, and impact through their aerobic capacity and their ability to constantly compete.

Hardwick's praise of Graham's endless endurance might have been one of the first times the youngster's work ethic has been highlighted publicly. But, internally, his running patterns are frequently used by the Tigers in team meetings as a means of setting the benchmark for the entire squad.

But yet, the dual premiership star – who was cruelly denied the opportunity to become a triple premiership player by a shoulder injury sustained in the 2019 preliminary final – hasn't always been known for his running.

Now seemingly one of the steals of the 2016 NAB AFL Draft, Graham slipped all the way to Richmond at pick No.53, having been told by several clubs that his endurance base wasn't up to scratch for an AFL footballer.

It stung Graham, who knew his aerobic capacity was his biggest strength. It was even more difficult to take given it had come after a junior season in which he had captained South Australia during the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, where he won the Larke Medal as the carnival's best player.

But it was also feedback that has since fuelled his rapid rise at Punt Road. Graham became a premiership player after just five AFL games, won a second flag after 55, and has played in 11 finals in 56 career matches.

And last Thursday night, he showed he had more gears to fly through in the years ahead. He won a career-high 33 disposals against Carlton, racked up a career-high 836m gained, produced a career-high 11 inside-50s, and had a career-high 19 handball receives.

All with that criticism still ringing in his ears.

"I think I've always had it," Graham told AFL.com.au.

"The recruiters grabbed me at the wrong time. I was coming off a torn quad and I couldn't really do anything at the Combine, with the testings there.

"I think they judged me too early, whereas I always thought I could run. Being able to show that to everyone now, it's pleasing."

Graham concedes that despite feeling as fit as ever he may have suffered from a touch of cramp at three-quarter time on Thursday night, as the effects of a return to 20-minute quarters began to catch up with him.

But, remarkably, he still had 13 disposals in the final term alone to muster his most productive quarter when it mattered most. It was yet more evidence of his outstanding endurance base.

"At half-time and especially at three-quarter time, I just couldn't believe that I had another quarter to go. But everyone was feeling it," Graham said.

"To be honest I was just thinking, 'gee, my legs are sore and I'm starting to cramp and I've still got another quarter to go'. As much as I knew I'd had a bit of the ball, I just had to refocus and try to get through that last quarter."

Graham's ability to finish the match so strongly wasn't just validation of his own belief in his fitness base, it was also further evidence of Richmond's willingness to see qualities within draft prospects that other clubs might miss.

Now, Graham is flourishing on the back of the trust placed in him by the Tigers. He has been allowed to play to his strengths, with the club hopeful it will subsequently see him improve even further this season to become one of its most important players in the quest for a fourth flag in five years.

"He's a transition mid, the game comes to him now," Hardwick said of Graham.

"It's a transition game … that's as simple as it is. You look at the way he runs and if you watch the tape, he's an incredible athlete that goes from contest to contest.

"The way the game is structured now because it's longer, he gets better as the game goes on. He's an incredible aerobic beast and he can just run. He gut-runs as hard as I've ever seen."

Hardwick's next line might have pricked the ears among rival recruiters just as much.

"You would've noticed that the opposition mob tonight were heavily into him, as were a number of other sides," the Richmond coach smiled.

Indeed, Carlton had made a significant push to sway the out-of-contract Graham to swap Punt Road with Ikon Park during last year's Trade Period. Essendon and Adelaide had also unsuccessfully attempted to prise the youngster away from the Tigers.

The Crows were perhaps the most inviting destination, had Graham chosen to leave, given they had the lure of tempting the young midfielder with a return to his home state of South Australia.

But Graham instead opted to pledge his future to Richmond, signing a three-year deal on the eve of the club's finals campaign to ensure he would remain with the Tigers for his best years.

"I was never really too close to leaving," Graham said.

"It's your manager's job to put your name out there and to see what interest there is. There was obviously talk about other clubs, but I always wanted to stay at Richmond and I kind of always knew that I was going to end up staying at Richmond.

"It was more just about having a listen to see what other clubs have to say about me and how they valued me.

"But I was rapt that there was a deal done, especially leading into finals. Being able to put that aside and just play footy, I was rapt. I'm super excited to be here for the next three years."

The talk of Graham potentially heading elsewhere had reached a crescendo when he was dropped from Richmond's best team ahead of a round nine clash with the Western Bulldogs last year.

Having been shifted to a wing, Graham hadn't won more than 16 disposals in a game for the entire season and was told he needed to see more of the ball to reclaim his place in the side.

He would ultimately miss three matches, before going back to basics. Unsurprisingly, it was his work ethic that saw him recalled and what helped him string together 10 consecutive games on his way to a second flag in the back-half of the season.

"I knew I was out of form," Graham said.

"The midfield that we've got with Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Dion Prestia, Kane Lambert, Shane Edwards and those guys … it's a solid midfield.

"I knew that I had to work hard and the one thing that I've probably got over those blokes is my fitness. I knew if I could bring that, as well as playing my role, there might be a position there for me."

The result was premiership success, something that had cruelly eluded Graham in 2019.

Having been a mainstay in Richmond's team for much of that year, Graham dislocated his shoulder in the first quarter of the side's preliminary final victory over Geelong. He played through the pain barrier, finishing the match valiantly, but wasn't able to recover for the Grand Final the following week.

After tasting the ultimate glory in 2017, Graham's preliminary final efforts in finishing the contest with a severely damaged shoulder were credited by Hardwick as "a massive, positive … chapter in our history" and as an achievement that was "simply incredible".

But not playing still left its scars, fuelling the gutsy North Adelaide product with added motivation to return to the game's biggest stage last season.

"As much as I felt involved in 2019, I still wasn't in the 22," Graham said.

"That did hurt. At the same time, with 2020 going on, it was just such a weird year. Being out of the side was obviously disappointing, so I wanted to work hard to get back in. It's crazy how it all unfolded, with the year we had.

"It was so much better to be a part of that premiership, having missed out the previous year. Especially to play with two of my best mates, Liam Baker and Jayden Short. As rapt as I was for them in 2019, I wasn't a part of it.

"Last year, getting to celebrate that with those two blokes, it was pretty special."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/569089/jack-graham-feature
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Post by: one-eyed on March 29, 2021, 06:52:33 PM
Charges Laid:

Jack Graham, Richmond, has been charged with a first offence of making Careless Contact with an Umpire (Hayden Gavine) during the first quarter of the Round Two match between Hawthorn and Richmond, played at the MCG on Sunday March 28.

In summary, he can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
 
Based on available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Contact with an Umpire. The incident was classified as a $1500 sanction as a first offence. The player can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/573893/match-review-giant-banned-for-fyfe-ko-tiger-charged-for-ump-contact
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Post by: Chuck17 on April 15, 2021, 09:40:24 PM
Big game from the unit
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Post by: Buddysucks on April 15, 2021, 10:12:36 PM
12 tackles and 3 goals. Say no more!
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Post by: Tiger Khosh on April 16, 2021, 12:30:00 AM
Massive. Needs to produce games like this and round 1 more consistently.
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Post by: Andyy on April 16, 2021, 06:17:04 AM
Excellent game aside from that moment when he sort of fell over going for a run on his own.

Not a ton of ball but very damaging. 12 tackles, say no more. And ice back in his veins in front of the big sticks.
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Post by: one-eyed on April 16, 2021, 03:26:49 PM
"HE'S AN EXCELLENT LEADER": YOUNG TIGER HAILED AS A FUTURE CAPTAIN

Lachlan Geleit
SEN
16 April 2021


Tim Watson believes Jack Graham could be a future captain of the Richmond Football Club.

Graham, 23, is already a two-time premiership player and has started the 2021 season in fine form as an inside midfielder that can be dangerous around goal.

The North Adelaide product was one of the Tigers’ best in their 86-point thrashing of St Kilda on Thursday night with three goals, 17 disposals and 12 tackles.

“He (Graham) is a very, very good player,” Watson said on SEN Breakfast.

“He’s an excellent leader as well, it’s a very strong possibility that one day he will be the captain there at Richmond, I think.”

Following Watson’s statement, Graham was asked by Garry Lyon if he saw himself as a future leader of the football club.

“I haven’t thought too much about it, I do like to think I’ve got some leadership qualities,” Graham responded.

“At the moment at Richmond there’s so much leadership floating around with Cotch (Trent Cotchin), Shane Edwards, (Jack) Riewoldt, Grimesy (Dylan Grimes), (Kane) Lambert … the list goes on.

“I’m just happy to sit back and just learn off these guys.”

Despite his strong start to the season, Graham said he was simply focusing on his own performance before he’d think about leading the group.

“You never really know (if your spot in the 22 is safe), we’ve still got Dion Prestia and Nick Vlaustin to come back in and they’re really important players for us," he said.

“As long as I can just keep working hard and trying to cement my spot.

“I’m not 100 per cent committed on it yet being cemented, but I’m almost there I reckon.”

Graham knocked back rival offers to sign a three-year contract extension with Richmond last September.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/15/hes-an-excellent-leader-young-tiger-hailed-as-a-future-captain/
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Post by: Diocletian on April 16, 2021, 05:16:42 PM
Coaches might love his gut running but his two best games this year by some margin were round one when he attended most of the centre bounces and last night when he mainly played forward... :shh
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Post by: 1965 on April 16, 2021, 06:43:00 PM
Coaches might love his gut running but his two best games this year by some margin were round one when he attended most of the centre bounces and last night when he mainly played forward... :shh
And??
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Post by: Diocletian on April 17, 2021, 12:45:50 AM
And what?
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Post by: mightytiges on April 17, 2021, 02:10:03 AM
Coaches might love his gut running but his two best games this year by some margin were round one when he attended most of the centre bounces and last night when he mainly played forward... :shh
It wasn't just the 3 goals he kicked either. Graham had a forward pressure rating of 50. The AFL average is 30.

Btw, Gerard Healy on Fox Footy reckons Dimma is experimenting at the moment for later on in the season and Graham playing forward was one of these 'experiments'.
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Post by: the claw on April 20, 2021, 05:33:52 PM
Graham, Lambert, Edwards Bolton playing forward is nothing new. When there, they all give more than Rioli.
Yep im like  a dog with a bone on this, we dont need to play three specialist small fwds when those four are in the team.

We need to get some games into our young mids. Enough of the small fwds and small defenders the roles are already well and truly covered.
You would think with Prestia gone one of our premier c/p players and goood clearance player we would be attempting to get as many games as possible into a similar type.
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Post by: one-eyed on April 30, 2021, 07:24:27 AM
Graham is the leading pressure act player in the comp.

https://www.instagram.com/p/COOx1AcNaph/
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Post by: pmac21 on April 30, 2021, 12:33:35 PM
He's a barometer for us, normally when he plays well so do we.
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Post by: Willy on April 30, 2021, 12:35:48 PM
He's a barometer for us, normally when he plays well so do we.

Agree.
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Post by: lamington on April 30, 2021, 09:55:58 PM
How good is this man finding the big sticks
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Post by: Rampsation on April 30, 2021, 10:24:41 PM
Another very good game tonight
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Post by: MintOnLamb on April 30, 2021, 10:41:47 PM
Solid
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Post by: Andyy on April 30, 2021, 11:17:44 PM
Good game. Finds time in congestion
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Post by: Tiger Khosh on April 30, 2021, 11:43:56 PM
Riewoldt said recently that his fav player to lead to is jack graham and you can see why. Give him the ball in space and he’ll hit our forwards up lace out.
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Post by: Diocletian on May 16, 2021, 03:42:54 PM
Did some good things at crucial times but was quite fumbly though usually manged to recover...main concern with him is his lack of pace, particularly when we don't have the ball ........seems to be even slower this year...really is quite noticeable... :shh
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Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on May 16, 2021, 03:56:55 PM
He is Usain Bolt compared to 2018 or so. Was a stuffing turtle back then
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Post by: Diocletian on May 16, 2021, 04:02:28 PM
Not compared to 2020 though.... :shh :shh
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Post by: Tiger Khosh on May 16, 2021, 04:35:32 PM
I think you place way too much emphasis on speed. Not every player is going to be quick. It’s just about getting the right balance in the midfield and around the ground. If we just needed speed we would have retained the likes of menadue.
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Post by: Diocletian on May 16, 2021, 04:47:45 PM
Yeah I would've thought there's a fairly obvious difference being concerned to about some players being slow as treacle and expecting them all to be lightning quick.. :shh
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Post by: Tiger Khosh on May 16, 2021, 05:04:47 PM
There’s are a fair few guns around where speed isnt in their arsenal. Like I said all about getting the right midfield balance.
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Post by: one-eyed on May 17, 2021, 02:43:42 PM
Richmond Tigers: Jack Graham

... the CEO of the Jack Graham fan club is giving him another wrap.

Playing an inside grunt role, he had 23 touches (ten contested), eight score involvements, seven tackles and three clearances, took three marks and used the football beautifully at 78 per cent efficiency. Give the man the respect he deserves.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/05/17/your-clubs-underrated-performer-round-9/
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Post by: one-eyed on May 19, 2021, 05:52:12 AM
If we win this Friday night, it will be the 50th time Graham has played in a win from just 65 games.

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jack_Graham.html
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Post by: one-eyed on May 19, 2021, 06:10:07 PM
Jack Graham on RSN Breakfast Club this morning:

Listen here: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=828976
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Post by: one-eyed on June 06, 2021, 04:46:35 PM
[Jack] Graham seems to me, to be the king of the little things. Whether it is standing up in a tackle just long enough to dish off to a teammate in a meaningful way, or holding onto a tackle with everything he has to impact the disposal of an opponent… he just does so many things right. And when the Tigers need someone to take the heat and stand up under pressure, he never, ever shirks the issue.

If you want to see where things changed in the last quarter, sure you could look to the blokes I mentioned above – Dusty, Bolton, etc… or you could drill down a little and find the gem known as Jack Graham.

He had five tackles in the last quarter as the Tigers raised the pressure. Five big tackles. He only had three disposals, but that’s not what the little things are about. Things like tackles, shepherds, dishing off to a teammate who kicks a goal – they’re the things Jack Graham brings to the table, and they’re the little things that his club would adore seeing him do.

Snippet from: https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2021/2021/06/06/richmond-v-essendon-dreamtime-good-bad-and-ugly-released1/
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Post by: one-eyed on June 06, 2021, 05:09:52 PM
OMG! Actual praise from Kane Cornes towards Richmond and its players :o.

He said Graham would be one of those making claims for the most improved player in the competition this year and that Jack has stood up in our midfield in the absence of Cotch, Prestia and Lambert.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/627095/-he-looked-like-leigh-matthews-one-of-the-stories-of-the-year
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Post by: one-eyed on June 06, 2021, 08:42:32 PM
THE KEY TIGER "IN LINE FOR THE MOST IMPROVED PLAYER IN THE COMPETITION"

By Lachlan Geleit
SEN
6 June 2021


Kane Cornes thinks Richmond midfielder Jack Graham has improved considerably in 2021.

Graham already has two premierships to his name, but Cornes thinks he’s gone to another level in his fifth season at senior level due to an increased role.

The 23-year-old was on of Richmond’s best in their 39-point win over Essendon on Saturday night, kicking two goals and picking up 22 disposals at 95% efficiency.

Graham’s form has steadily built across the first-half of the season, with his game taking a leap as he averages career highs in disposals, goals, marks and inside 50s in 2021.

“I think he (Graham) is in line for the most improved player in the competition,” Cornes said on AFL.com.au’s The Round So Far.

“He’s such a good finisher and goes under the radar.

“He’s struggled at times over the journey to be a first-choice player, he’s also had some injuries.”

Cornes believes injuries to key Tiger ball-winners has allowed Graham to flourish with increased responsibility, now viewing him as one of Richmond’s “most important” midfielders.

“But this year, he’s been one of their most important midfielders with (Shane) Edwards, (Trent) Cotchin and (Dion) Prestia missing,” Cornes said.

“He was terrific again (against Essendon), Jack Graham.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/06/the-key-tiger-in-line-for-the-most-improved-player-in-the-competition/
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Post by: one-eyed on June 07, 2021, 06:46:57 PM
Just after the halfway mark of the home-and-away season, Graham is averaging 18.5 disposals, 3.8 inside-50s, 5.4 score involvements, 6.0 tackles and 279.7 metres gained per match.

He is ranked fourth in the competition for total tackles and 18th for tackles inside 50.

Full article: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/954187/graham-stepping-up-strongly
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Post by: Tigeritis™©® on July 02, 2021, 08:39:49 AM
Probably the worst game he has ever played for the club.

Only10 pressure acts. He’s normally our clear leader every week by a country mile in this stat.

Its clear 4 finals series and a game style built on pressure has finally taken its toll physically and mentally.

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Post by: TigerLand on July 02, 2021, 10:07:30 AM
Graham played forward for a heap of the night was doing my head in.
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Post by: mightytiges on July 17, 2021, 05:22:41 AM
Graham really is a barometer for our side. When he has a big game, we win.

Clutch goal too in the last to snuff out any Brisbane comeback and seal the game  :clapping.
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Post by: Andyy on July 17, 2021, 09:23:19 AM
He was awesome

Him and Nank for captain
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Post by: Diocletian on August 01, 2021, 08:09:00 PM
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Post by: The Machine on August 01, 2021, 08:12:19 PM
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Hardwick is kidding himself playing Graham as a HFF player. He is a mid! terrible coaching from him today :banghead
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Post by: WilliamPowell on August 01, 2021, 08:15:23 PM
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Hardwick is kidding himself playing Graham as a HFF player. He is a mid! terrible coaching from him today :banghead

Beat me to it

Being wasted in the HF line

Needed him the guts
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Post by: The Machine on August 01, 2021, 08:20:06 PM
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Hardwick is kidding himself playing Graham as a HFF player. He is a mid! terrible coaching from him today :banghead

Beat me to it

Being wasted in the HF line

Needed him the guts


I can tell you it is frustrating him as well :shh
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Post by: Diocletian on August 01, 2021, 08:25:36 PM
Turning Sam Mitchell into Mathew Arnott... :banghead


This year proving Hardwick's only ever been as good as his assistants... #halfstep :shh :shh
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Post by: Damo on August 01, 2021, 11:41:54 PM
Caracella
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Post by: mightytiges on August 07, 2021, 08:17:44 PM
Our barometer. When Graham gets a stack of it we normally win  :thumbsup.

Massive numbers tonight both offensively and defensively playing more on the outside.

36 disposals
8 marks
8 tackles
1 centre clearance
7 inside 50s
472m gained
10 score involvements
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Post by: WilliamPowell on August 07, 2021, 08:43:31 PM
BOG by a long way

Amazing what happens when he's played on the ball rather than being hidden away in the forward line
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Post by: Andyy on August 07, 2021, 09:49:19 PM
What a beast.

I know he can jag a goal but fmd he lives in the middle from now on.
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Post by: Diocletian on August 07, 2021, 09:53:33 PM
BOG by a long way

Amazing what happens when he's played on the ball rather than being hidden away in the forward line

Well fancy that.... ::) :shh
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Post by: The Machine on August 07, 2021, 10:15:11 PM
BOG by a long way

Amazing what happens when he's played on the ball rather than being hidden away in the forward line


^^this
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Post by: eliminator on August 08, 2021, 03:59:12 PM
BOG by a long way

Amazing what happens when he's played on the ball rather than being hidden away in the forward line

agree.
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Post by: tdy on August 08, 2021, 05:54:32 PM
I reckon the forward line thing was to create forward pressure and he has kicked goals under pressure before, ala 2017 GF?
But yeah he''s a mid and future captain material IMHO.
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Post by: Diocletian on August 08, 2021, 06:55:48 PM
In 2017 we had Butler, Castagna & Rioli all firing on all cylinders with Townsend popping up at the end to play the 5 games of his life which coincided with Graham's first 5 games... :shh
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Post by: the claw on August 09, 2021, 07:16:28 PM
Hmm he had a great game but we are missing something here. we got smashed at clearances and Jack had just one for the entire game and he only won four contested possesions. Just asking are the disposals over shadowing things here.
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 09, 2021, 07:53:16 PM
Hmm he had a great game but we are missing something here. we got smashed at clearances and Jack had just one for the entire game and he only won four contested possesions. Just asking are the disposals over shadowing things here.

Agreed. It wasn’t a huge game for winning the pill but he does use it well.
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Post by: WilliamPowell on August 09, 2021, 09:05:15 PM
Hmm he had a great game but we are missing something here. we got smashed at clearances and Jack had just one for the entire game and he only won four contested possesions. Just asking are the disposals over shadowing things here.

Depends on which stat's you focus on

You again quote stat's but no mention of the fact had 10 tackles for the match

10 out of 53

Maybe that's his role as opposed to the clearances
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 09, 2021, 10:28:12 PM
We need clearances - looking tonight’s game, centre clearances that go deep inside the Dees f50 are making life super easy for spuds like Ben Brown to take marks.
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Post by: the claw on August 13, 2021, 09:34:13 PM
Hmm he had a great game but we are missing something here. we got smashed at clearances and Jack had just one for the entire game and he only won four contested possesions. Just asking are the disposals over shadowing things here.

Depends on which stat's you focus on

You again quote stat's but no mention of the fact had 10 tackles for the match

10 out of 53

Maybe that's his role as opposed to the clearances

Cmon WP Im not having a go at him in fact i said he had a very good game. The simple fact that clearances and players capable of first winning the ball and then standing up  in a tackle and dishing off is killing us. It has been an achilles heel for years. Jacks game did nothing to help in this,

This is not a knock but i think if he plays for us because of his attributes he should play more inside and yes for an inside player tackling is a big part of the role. But what about the other parts of the role.

The other thing with big tackling stats is the need to ask is he second to the ball too often. Not saying thts the case but its something worth thinking about.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on August 13, 2021, 09:38:46 PM
Having a great night eh Moppey? :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 15, 2021, 04:23:34 AM
Jack Graham, Richmond, has been charged with a second offence of making Careless Contact with an Umpire, during the third quarter of the Round 22 match between the GWS GIANTS and Richmond, played at Marvel Stadium on Friday, August 13, 2021.

In summary, he can accept a $1500 sanction with an early plea.

Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Careless Contact with an Umpire. The incident was classified as a $2500 sanction as a second offence. The player can accept a $1500 sanction with an early plea.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/664074/match-review-dual-flag-tiger-charged-for-umpire-contact
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 24, 2021, 02:43:00 PM
https://www.afl.com.au/video/670239/-he-s-done-a-nathan-brown-tiger-needs-to-check-the-scores
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 07, 2021, 09:08:34 PM
Lyon & Watson on SEN agreeing that Jack Graham missed the 2017 Premiership. Goodness me.

https://twitter.com/MiltMonster/status/1446011760415227907

lol.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on November 12, 2021, 08:33:50 PM
Question off twitter:

I am going to play devil’s advocate here.

Is Jack Graham improving enough as a player to be permanently in the 22, let alone captain?

I think he has all the attributes for both but I’m still slightly nervous.

https://twitter.com/ForeverYellowa1/status/1458955156721070080
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: MintOnLamb on November 12, 2021, 09:22:03 PM
Question off twitter:

I am going to play devil’s advocate here.

Is Jack Graham improving enough as a player to be permanently in the 22, let alone captain?

I think he has all the attributes for both but I’m still slightly nervous.

https://twitter.com/ForeverYellowa1/status/1458955156721070080
OER, I am far from an expert but I believe he is in our top 10
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on February 07, 2022, 04:03:47 PM
Jack Graham – Deck of DT 2022

Over the last couple years, Jack Graham has promised the world and delivered an atlas but I feel 2022 is the year of opportunity for the Tigers’ young gun.

by The Keeper League
dreamteamtalk.com
February 7, 2022


Name: Jack Graham
Team: Richmond
Position: MID/FWD
Price: $657,000
Bye round: 12
2021 average: 78.4
2021 games played: 22
Predicted average: 90+
Draft range: Top 10 forwards

Over the last couple years, Jack Graham has promised the world and delivered an atlas but I feel 2022 is the year of opportunity for the Tigers’ young gun.

Why should I pick him?

You get the feeling that there is a genuine changing of the guard occurring at Tigerland this year and Jack Graham is at the forefront of the new movement.

Bachar Houli retired last year, Shane Edwards and Trent Cotchin are likely to be in the final year of their careers, Jack Riewoldt is 33, Dustin Martin will be 31 this year and even Dion Prestia is 29.

Graham has been patient and bided his time playing his role in multiple premiership winning sides but with some of these older guys slowing down, we are about to see a rejuvenation of that Tigers line-up. Graham himself has also been flagged as a future captain and is a player who should be able to cash in on this newfound responsibility.

If you look at the Tigers depth chart, apart from Shai Bolton, there are no young midfielders who look likely to make an immediate impact in the middle. Yes, there are guys like Jack Ross, Thomson Dow and Riley Collier-Dawkins but they are not quite at the level of a player like Graham.

Throughout his career, Graham has had stints in the midfield but for most of it he’s been used on the wing due his elite running ability or up forward (hence the status this year).

Graham averaged 78.4 last year and was playing a variety of roles for the Tigers. If you look at his last 3 games, he averaged 99.3 and the main reason for that increase was that he was getting more time in the midfield and attending more centre bounces.

He attended more centre bounces in his last three games than he did for the rest of the year. Throughout the season he averaged around 26% CBA’s but in the last three games he averaged 56%. This end of season trend really excites me as maybe the Tigers have realised that they really need to start getting some new blood in the centre square mix.

While more time in the centre square can often equate to more disposals, I think the upside in scoring for Graham can come from more opportunities to tackle. Graham is one of the top 20 tacklers in the competition, averaging 5.5 tackles a game and with greater exposure to more stoppages in the midfield, these tackle numbers could easily rise by a couple a game.

The other thing I love about Jack Graham is his ceiling. Twice in his career he’s registered scores of 146 and on his day can win you a game off his own back.

With more responsibility and opportunity in the centre square, I believe he can easily average around 95 this season.

Why shouldn’t I pick him?

We all know that Richmond players historically aren’t great fantasy scorers. Last year their leading scorer was Jayden Short who only averaged 93.4. But will we see a change in their game plan this year as guys like Riewoldt, Cotchin and Edwards enter the twilight of their career? They’ve relied on a lot of the same guys for many years and could we see a more free flowing fantasy friendly game style? Time will tell but that’s probably the only concern for me this year regarding Jack Graham.

For those playing keeper leagues, I think he is more than likely to lose forward status next year after a big year in the midfield. However, this would not deter me from drafting or trading for Graham in a keeper league as I believe he’s good enough to be held as a midfielder only in the future.

Deck of DT Rating

KING

Graham is a must have in Fantasy Classic and single season drafts as I genuinely believe he can be a Top 10 Forward this year. He looks set to be a main cog in the new Richmond midfield and with greater responsibility, we will see some big fantasy numbers.

https://dreamteamtalk.com/2022/02/07/jack-graham-deck-of-dt-2022/comment-page-1/
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on February 07, 2022, 06:49:53 PM
Imo hes just an average player a solid citizen if you like.
Doesnt get the pill enough doesnt get contested ball or win enough clearances to go with the tackles. The better inside mids are good in all these areas.
I think he tackles so much because he is too slow and hes just average in the others because he just is not that good to date.

As a fwd well hes hardly a goal kicker with just 32 in 77 games and managed more than one goal a game on 7 occasions.
Just needs to get better if we want a damaging consistent mid.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on February 07, 2022, 08:56:29 PM
Just saw he was the new captain, congratulations Jack, an honour
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on February 07, 2022, 09:44:48 PM
Just saw he was the new captain, congratulations Jack, an honour

Where? Nothing on RFC website,  on social media

There would be a presser to announce it

 :huh3
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on February 07, 2022, 09:56:55 PM
I saw it on a Foxtel release on Facebook
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Tragic on February 08, 2022, 12:19:48 AM
I saw it on a Foxtel release on Facebook

Someone a bit too handy with photoshop.  Move on, nothing to see here yet
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on February 08, 2022, 02:21:57 AM
I saw it on a Foxtel release on Facebook

Someone a bit too handy with photoshop.  Move on, nothing to see here yet
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FK-2BIdaQAMQr3R?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on February 08, 2022, 10:17:06 AM
Although Jack Graham is my choice as Captain until it is announced by the Club with full presser and there will be full presser to announce our new Captain then I'm not convinced (sorry)

Interestingly nothing on the Foxfooty, twitter feed or from their main reporter (who I don't rate BTW) Tom Morris
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on February 10, 2022, 03:09:34 PM
Interesting today, Graham (who wasn't playing) came onto the ground during the scratch match after a goal was kicked to instruct. Saw him pointing out things to Short lined up on a wing. Say Jack will be in the leadership group this year if he isn't named captain.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on February 19, 2022, 02:32:49 PM
Jack Graham ... ran laps as he deals with a hamstring injury that has interrupted the 23-year-old’s pre-season.

“Jack has had a little bit of a frustrating pre-season,” McQualter said. “He has had a couple of injuries but he is really building up a base now and hopefully we see him progress into the main group in the next couple of weeks.”

Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/adductor-injury-keeps-dustin-martin-out-of-tigers-intra-club-20220219-p59xwa.html)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on March 02, 2022, 07:33:16 AM
A frustrating pre-season has put the brakes on Tiger Jack Graham's round one hopes. The midfielder has been plagued by injury, as Richmond digs in to get back to its best. #7AFL #7NEWS

(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/Graham7news01032022.png) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1498567970972307458)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1498567970972307458
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on March 02, 2022, 08:09:51 AM
What's wrong with Graham?

So Lambert is a likely non-starter, Graham now also, and Prestia possibly?

Eek come on guys.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on March 02, 2022, 08:25:39 AM
What's wrong with Graham?
Graham said in that 7news report (above link) that it's a hammy picked up on the preseason camp.

The reporter said Graham will be eased back into the main group this week.

I was told it's a back related hammy which is why it's taken a long time to get over it.


Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on April 06, 2022, 09:33:38 AM
Haven’t seen too much said about jack.
The pressure is on him to lead our new midfield. He really needs to start performing at a higher level for us to compete with other midfields and especially the dogs this week.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on April 06, 2022, 12:05:46 PM
Painfully slow....him, Nankoldo, Lynch, Aarts, Cotch, Jack (and arguably Edwards nowadays too)  all on ground at same time.... :help


...and as for his alleged "top speed"(lmao)...well it would need to be at Usain Blot levels with the head start he gives everyone...  :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Willy on April 06, 2022, 01:30:55 PM
He's an honest soldier who needs midfield guns around him.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: eliminator on April 06, 2022, 05:31:55 PM
Would like him to play up forward. He can tackle, apply pressure and win contested possession.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2022, 12:21:26 AM
Sounds like the kind of player we need on ball....oh wait.. :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on April 07, 2022, 12:32:35 AM
He played a bit forward last year and was ordinary. Needs to be playing midfield averaging 20 odd, especially with Chimp declining. Think Slick Willy is spot on tho..:shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on April 07, 2022, 09:07:22 AM
People may call me out , but his tradeable for me to one of the SA clubs.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Gracie on April 07, 2022, 09:19:23 AM
People may call me out , but his tradeable for me to one of the SA clubs.

It is an option we could look at. Would mean that we are in full rebuild mode if we did take that option.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2022, 03:29:04 PM
People may call me out , but his tradeable for me to one of the SA clubs.

(https://c.tenor.com/tMT1R_dfec4AAAAC/yes-chad.gif)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on April 07, 2022, 03:34:09 PM
People may call me out , but his tradeable for me to one of the SA clubs.

It is an option we could look at. Would mean that we are in full rebuild mode if we did take that option.
Not really. Early doors 2022 and last year suggest he's not exactly crucial to us. If there's a good option on the table you'd have to look at it, especially if what we get contributes right away
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on April 17, 2022, 12:49:51 AM
Having a hard time trying to see the point of this bloke atm...just looks like a some random plodder making up the numbers....if Soldo was only 5'10 he'd be Jack Graham... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on April 17, 2022, 06:54:45 AM
Having a hard time trying to see the point of this bloke atm...just looks like a some random plodder making up the numbers....if Soldo was only 5'10 he'd be Jack Graham... :shh

Cept Soldo can kick
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on April 17, 2022, 07:16:49 AM
I’ve seen Statues move faster than spud Graham
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: MintOnLamb on April 17, 2022, 07:29:03 AM
All you negative posters are very unkind
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on April 17, 2022, 09:11:45 AM
Been saying for a while is like pedestrian like in games and one to put on tradetable.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Rampsation on April 17, 2022, 09:54:27 AM
I have also come around to the trading view. We are rebuilding lets see what Adelaide or Port are prepared to offer up. A 2nd rounder from Port or Adelaide seems fair.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on May 07, 2022, 07:48:31 PM
Huge numbers today. When Graham has a strong game we usually win.

30 disposals (15k, 15h, 10c, 20u, 60% eff.)
7 marks
6 tackles
5 clearances (2 centre clearances)
9 inside 50s
2 intercepts
485 metres gained
4 score involvements
82% time on ground

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: lamington on May 07, 2022, 08:55:37 PM
The guy played with one arm and was still laying tackles harder than anyone else in the team in 2019. That shows ticker and for me is enough character to me that he is off the trade table. He will never Be elite like Cotchin or Martin but I think he is a great midfielder and what I like about him is he’s a pretty good shot on goal when he has a run at it.

I think people expecting him to have 30+ possessions & 2+ goals every week are deluded considering we got him in the 3rd round from memory? My expectations of him is that he is kinda like true Liam Sheils of our team. Important for culture, hard tackling and for the most part a good ball user when he does have it in hand.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on May 07, 2022, 09:10:07 PM
The guy played with one arm and was still laying tackles harder than anyone else in the team in 2019. That shows ticker and for me is enough character to me that he is off the trade table. He will never Be elite like Cotchin or Martin but I think he is a great midfielder and what I like about him is he’s a pretty good shot on goal when he has a run at it.

I think people expecting him to have 30+ possessions & 2+ goals every week are deluded considering we got him in the 3rd round from memory? My expectations of him is that he is kinda like true Liam Sheils of our team. Important for culture, hard tackling and for the most part a good ball user when he does have it in hand.
Great post Lamington.  :clapping

People forget quickly that he practically got us over the line in that final knowing that his shoulder was cactus continued to smash contests and tackled hard until the final siren and let’s not forget his 2017 gf demolition of Sloane. He’s done more for our success than any minor perceived deficiency.

He is a clubman type and hard at the contest, consistently has the most tackles and pressure acts to allow blokes like Bolton to shine. He is a good user and works his arse off all game with hard running both offensively and defensively.

He has his deficiencies one being that he’s slow off the mark but once he’s going he’s a hard player to stop considering his size and strength and he doesn’t stop working from start to finish. He’s a four quarter machine.

BOG with Lynch today.

PS. I’m glad you said Liam Shiel and not Dylan Shiel because the latter is the softest player I’ve seen for the amount of money spent.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: crackertiger on May 07, 2022, 09:25:37 PM
Good game but I still think he has fitness improvements to come from his interrupted preseason. He looked very tired in the last quarter.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on May 07, 2022, 09:28:14 PM
Yes good game but needs to be the standard. He really needs to step up consistently
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Rampsation on May 07, 2022, 09:56:01 PM
For a guy who got picked at 53 or something hes been exceptional for us overall.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on June 17, 2022, 05:16:40 PM
Jack Graham vs Carlton:
19 disposals (11 contested), 10 (!) tackles, 3 clearences, 2 goal assists, 6 score involvements, 9 inside-50's, 2 tackles inside f-50, FOURTY ONE pressure acts.
really, really good

https://twitter.com/shaimaxeyguy/status/1537601162249404417
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on June 17, 2022, 05:56:45 PM
Has been great lately. One of our better kicks going inside 50 too.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Gracie on June 17, 2022, 07:23:38 PM
That long kick to Lynch's advantage was a thing of beauty
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on June 17, 2022, 09:49:38 PM
29 tackles in his last 3 games.

Add 41 pressure acts last night.

What a machine. Taken it to a new level this year.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 18, 2022, 09:59:10 AM
29 tackles in his last 3 games.

Add 41 pressure acts last night.

What a machine. Taken it to a new level this year.

Interesting

Previous page, just 6 weeks ago people wanted him traded  ;D
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on June 18, 2022, 10:05:27 AM
Haven’t seen too much said about jack.
The pressure is on him to lead our new midfield. He really needs to start performing at a higher level for us to compete with other midfields and especially the dogs this week.

And hasn’t he stepped up
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on June 18, 2022, 01:33:30 PM
Personally i dont see a hell of a lot of difference in his game. Still think he has high tackle numbers because he is second to the ball most of the time.

Im happy for him to play as long as he is making a contribution on the inside with contested ball and he wins a few clearances for us.
His pace continues to be a big concern

he is where he needs to be at as a minimum imo.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 18, 2022, 02:29:43 PM
Personally i dont see a hell of a lot of difference in his game. Still think he has high tackle numbers because he is second to the ball most of the time.

Im happy for him to play as long as he is making a contribution on the inside with contested ball and he wins a few clearances for us.
His pace continues to be a big concern

he is where he needs to be at as a minimum imo.


Of course
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on June 18, 2022, 04:21:57 PM
First picked in my opinion. Heart and soul type player that leaves nothing but his all. Our game and the Richmond way is built on pressure and creating turnover and this guy brings it more than anyone in the team.

Always plays great in finals too shows how important a player he is. He is built for finals.

I won’t ever forget his efforts to get us over the line in 2019 Prelim.

He is just getting better.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 18, 2022, 05:37:11 PM
First picked in my opinion. Heart and soul type player that leaves nothing but his all. Our game and the Richmond way is built on pressure and creating turnover and this guy brings it more than anyone in the team.

Always plays great in finals too shows how important a player he is. He is built for finals.

I won’t ever forget his efforts to get us over the line in 2019 Prelim.

He is just getting better.


 :clapping :clapping :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on June 18, 2022, 05:41:26 PM
Personally i dont see a hell of a lot of difference in his game. Still think he has high tackle numbers because he is second to the ball most of the time.

Im happy for him to play as long as he is making a contribution on the inside with contested ball and he wins a few clearances for us.
His pace continues to be a big concern

he is where he needs to be at as a minimum imo.

Not gifted with elite pace but he has a good tank and gut runs all day.

Still happy with 10 tackles even if he's later to the ball at least he's getting his man to compensate.

And a great pass to Lynch, mintttt

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on June 18, 2022, 05:51:31 PM
Personally i dont see a hell of a lot of difference in his game. Still think he has high tackle numbers because he is second to the ball most of the time.

Im happy for him to play as long as he is making a contribution on the inside with contested ball and he wins a few clearances for us.
His pace continues to be a big concern

he is where he needs to be at as a minimum imo.

Not gifted with elite pace but he has a good tank and gut runs all day.

Still happy with 10 tackles even if he's later to the ball at least he's getting his man to compensate.

And a great pass to Lynch, mintttt


Think you are underestimating his pace. When going he is fast :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on June 19, 2022, 12:33:53 PM
The man that never plays a bad game. How about this kick inside 50 from Jack Graham 😍

Champion data records a stat known as pressure points. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2 points.

Most pressure points on the ground last night:
1 - J Graham 102 (this number is ELITE)
2 - S Walsh 61
3 - D Prestia 60

41/46 players finished under 50 pressure points.

Graham recorded 41 pressure acts last night.

Pressure acts in AFL games for Richmond (since 2012):
44 - Jack Graham
43 -
42 - Jack Graham
41 - Jack Graham x2, Trent Cotchin
40 - Trent Cotchin
39 - Jack Graham x4
38 - Jack Graham x2
37 - Jack Graham x2
36 - Jack Graham x2

This stat via @jaidenpopowski 👑
#afl 🎥 Fox Footy/Ch7


https://www.instagram.com/p/Ce41tCyholz/?hl=en
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on June 19, 2022, 12:42:00 PM
Yeah but if he wasn’t so slow and second to the ball would he even need all those pressure acts……. :lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on June 19, 2022, 12:54:44 PM
When fresh, he has top level speed. Most of the game, and due to his gut running throughout, he doesn't have that top level speed left in the tank. Far from slow :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Willy on June 19, 2022, 03:27:53 PM
I think he’s slow off the mark but quick once he gets going.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on June 20, 2022, 12:06:40 AM
I think he’s slow off the mark but quick once he gets going.
Spot on. He’s like a Mac truck slow take off but try stopping him when he’s got full momentum.  :rollin
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: lamington on June 20, 2022, 11:28:18 AM
I think people overemphasise how important down the line running is. Quick decision making can also make a player appear fast as well.

Think of the speedsters we used to have (eg. Menadue) and they couldn’t influence the game at all. Of course there’s a limit (like Ivan Maric when we played him on one knee) but good tackling pressure, the ability to actually lay a tackle and good decision making for me is more important than pure speed
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on June 20, 2022, 01:45:44 PM
Yeah but if he wasn’t so slow and second to the ball would he even need all those pressure acts……. :lol

You don't know how close to the truth you are.
 his stats mostly correlate that.

Whats the minimum standard. Well a mid  with plenty of midfield time  needs to get 20  disposals minimum to pass muster.
88 games in he has 21 games where he has 20 plus disposals.

Most occasions when his numbers are below 20 disposals his tackle numbers are 9 or more. mostly when his disposal numbers are 20 plus his tackle numbers drop this clearly suggests far too often he is not getting first hands on the ball and is forced to tackle.
Thats all good he is always competing and supporters love him for it but 41 pressure acts means what exactly.

His uncontested ball compared to contested ball is  way lobsided and his clearance numbers are very poor.
I understand when he is beaten to the ball which is too often he lays tackles no one is knocking his work rate but i would prefer he won more ball and to do that he has to get his hands on it first.
Finally if people dont think he is slow well all i can suggest is  you look a tad closer.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on June 20, 2022, 03:02:02 PM
Will say it again, when you're a running machine like Jack, you can't show your top end speed as much as others can due to their reduced kilometers per game. When fresh, he does have top end speed which he had displayed multiple times :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on June 20, 2022, 03:05:42 PM
In 2020, Jack was clocked: Jack Graham, 34.2 km/h v Adelaide, round 18. Faster than:
Oleg Markov, 33.9 km/h v Essendon, round 13
Noah Balta, 33.9 km/h v Geelong, round 17
Marlion Pickett, 33.4 km/h v Geelong, round 17

Not bad for a snail... :lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Broadsword on June 20, 2022, 03:21:36 PM
Yeah but if he wasn’t so slow and second to the ball would he even need all those pressure acts……. :lol
Whats the minimum standard. Well a mid  with plenty of midfield time  needs to get 20  disposals minimum to pass muster.

This is an arbitrary axiom. Did you choose 20 because it's a multiple of 10?

In the 2020 Preliminary Final against Port, one of our greatest ever wins (imo), only Dustin Martin had more than 20 disposals (21, 1 tackle), so I guess the midfield was terrible that day.

I don't accept your axiom so I don't accept the argument that follows from it.

Yeah but if he wasn’t so slow and second to the ball would he even need all those pressure acts……. :lol
Finally if people dont think he is slow well all i can suggest is  you look a tad closer.

"If you don't agree with me I suggest you agree with me."
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on June 20, 2022, 05:39:40 PM
In 2020, Jack was clocked: Jack Graham, 34.2 km/h v Adelaide, round 18. Faster than:
Oleg Markov, 33.9 km/h v Essendon, round 13
Noah Balta, 33.9 km/h v Geelong, round 17
Marlion Pickett, 33.4 km/h v Geelong, round 17

Not bad for a snail... :lol

Absolutely irrelevant stat and not what Claw is referring to.
I find it hard enough to agree with Claw, without having to try and explain for him. But here goes.

I like to use a greyhound race as an example. The first 1 second is so crucial. The fastest dog is quite often not the dog that wins, because of this first couple of metres.

Machine, if you think Jack Graham is quick at the contest, then you have no idea. He is SLOW the first few metres. Just because he has high top end speed, it doesn't help him at clearances, which is what Claw is referring to.

I truly don't see how this is hard to understand. He's a locomotive that takes time to build up to high end speed.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on June 20, 2022, 05:50:34 PM
In 2020, Jack was clocked: Jack Graham, 34.2 km/h v Adelaide, round 18. Faster than:
Oleg Markov, 33.9 km/h v Essendon, round 13
Noah Balta, 33.9 km/h v Geelong, round 17
Marlion Pickett, 33.4 km/h v Geelong, round 17

Not bad for a snail... :lol

Absolutely irrelevant stat and not what Claw is referring to.
I find it hard enough to agree with Claw, without having to try and explain for him. But here goes.

I like to use a greyhound race as an example. The first 1 second is so crucial. The fastest dog is quite often not the dog that wins, because of this first couple of metres.

Machine, if you think Jack Graham is quick at the contest, then you have no idea. He is SLOW the first few metres. Just because he has high top end speed, it doesn't help him at clearances, which is what Claw is referring to.

I truly don't see how this is hard to understand. He's a locomotive that takes time to build up to high end speed.


Then we agree to disagree and, yes, i have an idea :wallywink
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on June 20, 2022, 07:27:23 PM
Clearly you don’t have an idea  :wallywink :wallywink

It isn’t that hard to comprehend what’s being said .. but the logic is proving too much for you on this occasion
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on June 20, 2022, 08:18:55 PM
Ok I’ll bite. Logic is Graham spends most of his time as a high HF with time as a mid. The reason why his tackle numbers are high is due to he plays as a defensive mid. That means defending first to allow other to play offensive. The other reason is due to his running ability. The only greyhound as you call it, in our team is Bolton. Are you saying all others are locomotives? Probably not, just Graham…..
And yes, the data is relevant as it’s been said many times he is slow. The data doesn’t lie on this occasion  :wallywink
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Yeahright on June 20, 2022, 11:26:19 PM
I think the issue is you are being too literal with the word “slow”. Most (maybe not all) are referring to purely his acceleration but you keep referring to his top speed. Both of which are important. I do agree with your point about him being a defensive mid. His stats will obviously reflect that but Claw won’t with his 20 disposal requirement for mids
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on July 03, 2022, 05:41:51 PM
Hands down the worst game he’s ever played

Couldn’t buy a tackle and they were going through his fingers like money goes through my pockets.

Also he was consistently caught as well when normally he’s able to shake the tackle but nothing was working for him today.

Still one of my favourite players though.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 14, 2022, 04:17:47 PM
Graham subbed off with a foot injury. How bad?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 14, 2022, 04:53:11 PM
Graham subbed off with a foot injury. How bad?

Looked like an ankle based on where the ice was placed? If that’s a syndesmosis you’d think that’s season done.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 14, 2022, 07:13:09 PM
Graham subbed off with a foot injury. How bad?

Looked like an ankle based on where the ice was placed? If that’s a syndesmosis you’d think that’s season done.

Just watched dimmas presser where he did say it was a foot rather than ankle. Just sounds like it’s a niggle he’s been carrying rather than anything he did today. Might miss next week because it’s pretty much a dead rubber but would expect he’d be named for first week of finals.

Form wise think he’s been pretty down the last month (maybe due to the foot niggle) so the extra week will do him good.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on August 15, 2022, 08:48:41 PM
I think the issue is you are being too literal with the word “slow”. Most (maybe not all) are referring to purely his acceleration but you keep referring to his top speed. Both of which are important. I do agree with your point about him being a defensive mid. His stats will obviously reflect that but Claw won’t with his 20 disposal requirement for mids

Fmd a defensive mid my arse.Sheesh the way its going every bloody mid we have will be described as defensive to justify players poor form.

Oh by the way lets be bloody honest just for once here, if Graham is not slow then there is not a slow player in the comp.

Fmd i could put up with his lack of pace if he actually won contested ball and a few more clearances per game but it rarely happens.

LOLOLOLOL IVE HEARD IT ALL DEFENSIVE MID USED AGAIN TO DEFEND A PLAYER WHO JUST DOESNT GET ENOUGH BALL WHERE WE NEED HIM TO GET IT.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on August 16, 2022, 10:33:57 PM
In 2020, Jack was clocked: Jack Graham, 34.2 km/h v Adelaide, round 18. Faster than:
Oleg Markov, 33.9 km/h v Essendon, round 13
Noah Balta, 33.9 km/h v Geelong, round 17
Marlion Pickett, 33.4 km/h v Geelong, round 17

Not bad for a snail... :lol

Absolutely irrelevant stat and not what Claw is referring to.
I find it hard enough to agree with Claw, without having to try and explain for him. But here goes.

I like to use a greyhound race as an example. The first 1 second is so crucial. The fastest dog is quite often not the dog that wins, because of this first couple of metres.

Machine, if you think Jack Graham is quick at the contest, then you have no idea. He is SLOW the first few metres. Just because he has high top end speed, it doesn't help him at clearances, which is what Claw is referring to.

I truly don't see how this is hard to understand. He's a locomotive that takes time to build up to high end speed.


Then we agree to disagree and, yes, i have an idea :wallywink
Na with all respect id say you have the blinkers on. Thats okay at some time or other we all have em on.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on August 16, 2022, 10:45:25 PM
Let's be real he's an honest plodder.

Decent kick, lays a tackle etc. Will never accumulate a lot of ball. Slow off the mark.

If he ends up being similar to Dylan Shiels, not winning a lot of ball but doing enough to contribute, laying plenty of tackles, all with a smile on his dial then that's probably enough whilst we have legitimate stars beside him.

I can see Sonsie going past him next year.

I think his delivery to F50 is good.

One thing I always hate about him is he seems so slow running with the ball and I always hold my breath thinking he's going to get run down from behind.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 16, 2022, 11:29:43 PM
Let's be real he's an honest plodder.

Decent kick, lays a tackle etc. Will never accumulate a lot of ball. Slow off the mark.

If he ends up being similar to Dylan Shiels, not winning a lot of ball but doing enough to contribute, laying plenty of tackles, all with a smile on his dial then that's probably enough whilst we have legitimate stars beside him.

I can see Sonsie going past him next year.

I think his delivery to F50 is good.

One thing I always hate about him is he seems so slow running with the ball and I always hold my breath thinking he's going to get run down from behind.

I think he’s better than a decent kick. I remember an interview Riewoldt did a couple seasons back and he said if he could pick one player to deliver the ball to him on a lead it would be graham. Also very reliable set shot kick.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on August 16, 2022, 11:44:47 PM
Let's be real he's an honest plodder.

Decent kick, lays a tackle etc. Will never accumulate a lot of ball. Slow off the mark.

If he ends up being similar to Dylan Shiels, not winning a lot of ball but doing enough to contribute, laying plenty of tackles, all with a smile on his dial then that's probably enough whilst we have legitimate stars beside him.

I can see Sonsie going past him next year.

I think his delivery to F50 is good.

One thing I always hate about him is he seems so slow running with the ball and I always hold my breath thinking he's going to get run down from behind.

I think he’s better than a decent kick. I remember an interview Riewoldt did a couple seasons back and he said if he could pick one player to deliver the ball to him on a lead it would be graham. Also very reliable set shot kick.

Yeah I guess that's what I mean when I say decent. Not our best but 4/5 stars haha
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Yeahright on August 17, 2022, 01:09:47 AM
I think the issue is you are being too literal with the word “slow”. Most (maybe not all) are referring to purely his acceleration but you keep referring to his top speed. Both of which are important. I do agree with your point about him being a defensive mid. His stats will obviously reflect that but Claw won’t with his 20 disposal requirement for mids

Fmd a defensive mid my arse.Sheesh the way its going every bloody mid we have will be described as defensive to justify players poor form.



Yeah alright chief, lets all just pretend a player like Martin is just as defensive as someone as Graham.

I also never said he wasn’t slow, because I reckon he is. After that your post just read as Waa waa waa
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 23, 2022, 06:10:04 AM
Jack Graham has had turf toe all year and in dealing with that over-compensated and the outside of his foot became sore. Scans showed he had a stress reaction or hot spot and he was put in a boot. He has come out of the boot now and will start running later this week and is “firming” to be available as well.

Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-time-tom-lynch-and-dustin-martin-likely-starts-for-tigers-cut-throat-final-20220822-p5bbu0.html).
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on August 23, 2022, 06:30:46 AM
Great outcome. So only player we will be missing is grimes, with an underdone dusty to be available
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 24, 2022, 07:06:52 PM
Graham in a moon boot but hasn't ruled himself out of playing against the Lions.

"Just a bit of bone stress on the actual foot. I've had turf toe since round 9 this year. So been allowing for that has caused other things to happen." - Graham.

Go to 1:24 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1562362651354988544

(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/GrahamMoonBoot24082022.png)



Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 24, 2022, 07:44:07 PM
Problem is that he’s slow as treacle fit
This won’t speed him up any
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 24, 2022, 08:05:49 PM
Given they said he was out of the boot and now hes back in it you’d think he’s unlikely for the lions game.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on August 24, 2022, 09:14:28 PM
Problem is that he’s slow as treacle fit
This won’t speed him up any

Lol what he's out faster player clocked the highest speed


 :snidegrin
 ::)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 24, 2022, 09:18:57 PM
Problem is that he’s slow as treacle fit
This won’t speed him up any

Lol what he's out faster player clocked the highest speed


 :snidegrin
 ::)

Yep ..  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 20, 2022, 10:24:57 PM
Port Adelaide think Jack Graham might be gettable. They missed out on Josh Dunkley so they are looking for a similar player.

Source: Caro on Footy Classified.


Edit: Last 10 seconds of this clip: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1572201034977607683
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 21, 2022, 12:21:55 AM
Port Adelaide think Jack Graham might be gettable. They missed out on Josh Dunkley so they are looking for a similar player.

Source: Caro on Footy Classified.


Edit: Last 10 seconds of this clip: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1572201034977607683

Well they have picks 8, 53 & 56. He's not worth pick 8 but he's worth more than 53 + 56 combined.

Wonder if they're prepared to table a player as part of the deal. I know some fans here rate Georgiades. Kid was dropped at the end of the year and is a Vic kid.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2022, 04:18:13 AM
Port Adelaide think Jack Graham might be gettable. They missed out on Josh Dunkley so they are looking for a similar player.

Source: Caro on Footy Classified.


Edit: Last 10 seconds of this clip: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1572201034977607683

Well they have picks 8, 53 & 56. He's not worth pick 8 but he's worth more than 53 + 56 combined.

Wonder if they're prepared to table a player as part of the deal. I know some fans here rate Georgiades. Kid was dropped at the end of the year and is a Vic kid.
Port's compo for Karl Amon?

[wishful thinking] Todd Marshall? [/wishful thinking]  ;D
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on September 21, 2022, 05:44:36 AM
Port Adelaide think Jack Graham might be gettable. They missed out on Josh Dunkley so they are looking for a similar player.

Source: Caro on Footy Classified.


Edit: Last 10 seconds of this clip: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1572201034977607683

Well they have picks 8, 53 & 56. He's not worth pick 8 but he's worth more than 53 + 56 combined.

Wonder if they're prepared to table a player as part of the deal. I know some fans here rate Georgiades. Kid was dropped at the end of the year and is a Vic kid.

Nope from Perth
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 21, 2022, 06:04:29 AM
Port Adelaide think Jack Graham might be gettable. They missed out on Josh Dunkley so they are looking for a similar player.

Source: Caro on Footy Classified.


Edit: Last 10 seconds of this clip: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1572201034977607683

Well they have picks 8, 53 & 56. He's not worth pick 8 but he's worth more than 53 + 56 combined.

Wonder if they're prepared to table a player as part of the deal. I know some fans here rate Georgiades. Kid was dropped at the end of the year and is a Vic kid.

Nope from Perth

Yeah thought that was the case. Rumour he may be eagles bound as part of the Rioli trade.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: pmac21 on September 21, 2022, 07:07:56 AM
Wouldn't think he's gettable at all. 
Move on.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on September 21, 2022, 07:53:14 AM
Sam Hayes apparently wants to explore options to come back to Victoria.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on September 21, 2022, 08:36:01 AM
Wouldn't think he's gettable at all. 
Move on.

We are open to offers
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 21, 2022, 09:08:33 AM
Wouldn't think he's gettable at all. 
Move on.

We are open to offers

Every one of our players is gettable

People need to wake up and realise this .. always comes down to what a team offers

Not one player is off the table if a crazy offer comes along
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 21, 2022, 09:11:11 AM
Port Adelaide think Jack Graham might be gettable. They missed out on Josh Dunkley so they are looking for a similar player.

Source: Caro on Footy Classified.


Edit: Last 10 seconds of this clip: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1572201034977607683

Well they have picks 8, 53 & 56. He's not worth pick 8 but he's worth more than 53 + 56 combined.

Wonder if they're prepared to table a player as part of the deal. I know some fans here rate Georgiades. Kid was dropped at the end of the year and is a Vic kid.

Nope from Perth

Yeah thought that was the case. Rumour he may be eagles bound as part of the Rioli trade.

Yeah read that wrong - his dad played for Dogs
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 21, 2022, 09:43:25 AM

Every one of our players is gettable

People need to wake up and realise this .. always comes down to what a team offers

Not one player is off the table if a crazy offer comes along

While I understand your point Damo

I reckon that one of the issues we face around trades is the culture the Club has built. The bond between the players at our Club is massive so (and I'm sure others have mentioned this in other threads) trading becomes a bit of a juggling act if you like.

What impact will trading Player A have on the overall fabric of the Club, the playeing group? Some players I would think are not gettable simply because of what they bring to the place.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TFL on September 21, 2022, 09:53:54 AM

Every one of our players is gettable

People need to wake up and realise this .. always comes down to what a team offers

Not one player is off the table if a crazy offer comes along

While I understand your point Damo

I reckon that one of the issues we face around trades is the culture the Club has built. The bond between the players at our Club is massive so (and I'm sure others have mentioned this in other threads) trading becomes a bit of a juggling act if you like.

What impact will trading Player A have on the overall fabric of the Club, the playeing group? Some players I would think are not gettable simply because of what they bring to the place.

Totally agree WP

Said this same thing to a couple of mates today.

Dont reckon Fridge would be a huge loss player wise, but the impact to the unity of the player group if he was traded would be huge.

Unless of ofcourse he expressed interest in leaving which i don't believe he has.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on September 21, 2022, 12:51:54 PM
Players move clubs in all sports around the world for whatever reasons if club can't handle it culture wise etc there in the wrong game it's part of busy simple as that you make hard calls not like us in past half hearted.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 21, 2022, 12:56:21 PM
I know he's well liked but if he's convinced to move by either RFC or another club we will be fine and hopefully compensated accordingly.

I don't see a big role for him if we land Taranto, Hopper, Sonsie coming through. Need someone with a bit more zip.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2022, 01:08:29 PM
Callum Twomey on the AFL website's live trade desk just now:


- Something has to give to get Taranto and Hopper.

- Graham is one who could fall out. He is looking for more midfield time.

- Other clubs are aware he is gettable and will look to him as an experience midfield option.

- People linking him to Port Adelaide. Amongst the group of players Port are looking at.

https://www.facebook.com/AFL/videos/817991242729372
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2022, 01:14:52 PM
MIDFIELDER OPEN TO A TRADE OUT OF RICHMOND

BY SAM EDMUND
SEN
21 September 2022


Jack Graham is open to a trade out of Richmond if a rival club tables the right offer.

The imminent arrival of GWS pair Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto has been the catalyst for as many as five rival clubs to express their interest in Graham.

Graham, 24, has one more year to run on a contract and is far more likely to stay at Punt Road as the Tigers look to strengthen their midfield rather than tread water in that position.

But Graham spent large portions of games this year on a half-forward flank despite the Tigers’ skinny midfield and is said to be gettable if another club puts its cards on the table with an attractive offer.

Richmond would surely dig in to hold a player who is considered a captaincy candidate in the future.

The South Australian has won two premierships at Richmond (2017 and 2020) and was runner-up in last year’s Jack Dyer Medal.

Graham in 2020 signed a three-year contract to stay in yellow and black after weighing up interest from the likes of Carlton and Adelaide.

The Crows’ crosstown rivals Port Adelaide remain in the market for an established onballer after missing out on Josh Dunkley.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/20/midfielder-open-to-a-trade-out-of-richmond/
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2022, 01:30:47 PM
Sam Edmund also said.

* 5 Clubs [not named] have expressed interest.

* Far more likely to stay at Punt Rd. Tigers looking to strengthen their midfield than not tread water.

* Graham did spend large potions of the year on a half-forward flank despite Richmond having a skinny midfield.

* Is said to be gettable if an attractive offer is put on the table.

* Richmond will surely dig in to hold him and they see him as future captain candidate. He is contracted until 2023.

* Who knows. Perhaps the high pick they get for Graham opens the door for Hopper.

* Unlikely to happen but the door is ajar.

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1044143
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2022, 01:31:03 PM
Tiger71 on BF:

Quote from: Tiger71
Clubs have enquired, we are not shopping Graham out as he is a required player. Has nothing to do with Tarranto and Hopper more to do that he has one year left of his contract.

When was the last time we lost a required starting 22 player.?

BigFooty (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-5.1289189/post-76746077).
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Willy on September 21, 2022, 01:35:33 PM
I know he's well liked but if he's convinced to move by either RFC or another club we will be fine and hopefully compensated accordingly.

I don't see a big role for him if we land Taranto, Hopper, Sonsie coming through. Need someone with a bit more zip.

Exactly. No need to get overly sentimental about this.

If he cant get a game next year because Hopper & TT come in (which is probable) then he might request a trade at the end of next year anyway.


Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TFL on September 21, 2022, 01:47:37 PM
Yeah totally agree his loss wont hurt us on field.

The club just need to manage it well so there's no impact on the group, I'm confident that they can do this too.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on September 21, 2022, 02:46:51 PM
Sam Edmund also said.

* 5 Clubs [not named] have expressed interest.

* Far more likely to stay at Punt Rd. Tigers looking to strengthen their midfield than not tread water.

* Graham did spend large potions of the year on a half-forward flank despite Richmond having a skinny midfield.

* Is said to be gettable if an attractive offer is put on the table.

* Richmond will surely dig in to hold him and they see him as future captain candidate. He is contracted until 2023.

* Who knows. Perhaps the high pick they get for Graham opens the door for Hopper.

* Unlikely to happen but the door is ajar.

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1044143

Any coincidence that Edmund reports the same thing the morning after Caro mentions something on TV?  Same thing happened after Caro mentioned we were into Taranto and Hopper

He has no friggen idea.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on September 21, 2022, 03:44:05 PM
Balmey "100%" going to Adelaide.
Dusty to Sydney.
Buddy to Brisbane.

Got to love this time of the year. The media just make things up more than usual because they need a 'story' to justify their existence ::). No doubt clubs enquire about players at other clubs as that's part of doing their due diligence but that doesn't mean a player is leaving :facepalm. "Open to a trade" is a footy journo's convenient 50/50 bet each way get out clause. If it doesn't happen then they can say they didn't say the player was going ::).
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 21, 2022, 05:05:05 PM
If Jack is open to leaving then he and the club should explore what the offers are and then make an informed decision as to what suits all parties. This isn’t the club pushing the player out, this is the player potentially looking at other opportunities where pay, contract length, playing position and game time may be better than what he can foresee at Richmond. So I can’t see how this would impact club culture.

I like jack and he’s had some big big moments in crucial finals games but when I think of the two he’s boys coming in and what our best 22 will look like, I do think he will be on the periphery based on last seasons output. Although to be fair I don’t know how badly his turf toe affected his game.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: wayne on September 21, 2022, 05:08:51 PM
Struggle to get midfield time? Lambert and Edwards gone, Cotch has a year left and has dodgy hammies, that's 3 spots that need to be filled.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on September 21, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
Struggle to get midfield time? Lambert and Edwards gone, Cotch has a year left and has dodgy hammies, that's 3 spots that need to be filled.

Not to mention dusty moving into more of a forward role too. Also Prestia being very unreliable. Plenty of room for Graham but he may have to adapt
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on September 21, 2022, 05:58:28 PM
Sonsie and Ross slot in to.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 21, 2022, 06:04:22 PM
Struggle to get midfield time? Lambert and Edwards gone, Cotch has a year left and has dodgy hammies, that's 3 spots that need to be filled.

Not to mention dusty moving into more of a forward role too. Also Prestia being very unreliable. Plenty of room for Graham but he may have to adapt

Lambert, Edwards and Dusty got very little midfield time this season so I don’t think they’re retirements/repositioning free up much time as it stands then you add the 2 giants boys and you can see where the perception of lack of midfield time comes from.

I don’t think jacks actual role this season and maybe the majority of his time with us has been as a pure inside mid. Seems like he plays that linking high half forward role linking our midfield with our forward line. That isn’t to say that role won’t change moving forward though as I’d imagine there’d be a bit of rejigging and altering of our game plan this off season.

Personally I wouldn’t trade him unless jack was the one pushing for the move and in that case we’d need to be fairly compensated by whatever club he nominates. He is by all accounts a great clubman and very professional so worst case he fails to establish himself in the team next season and looks to move then when out of contract. Would be 7 years at the club by then and a free agent I think. Free agent compo if he’s offered anything around 500k a year for 4 or more years would be an end of second rounder which isn’t too far off what you’d imagine we’d get for him in a trade this season.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2022, 06:55:25 PM
Adelaide one of clubs in contention for Jack Graham. #AFLTrade #AFL #TradePeriod

https://twitter.com/Jono_Tel/status/1572406387271168000
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on September 21, 2022, 08:00:14 PM
So- Fridge has 2 years plus a trigger for a third year. Yes- he wants to play as a mid who rests forward and with the pending arrivals of Tim and Jacob, he rightly has asked where he sits. Word is he is likely to stay but has clubs crawling all over him. My feel from what I know is he will stay but I am worried :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on September 21, 2022, 08:09:43 PM
Was runner up in the B and F last year but was injured this year
A needed player imo
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 21, 2022, 08:50:29 PM
So- Fridge has 2 years plus a trigger for a third year. Yes- he wants to play as a mid who rests forward and with the pending arrivals of Tim and Jacob, he rightly has asked where he sits. Word is he is likely to stay but has clubs crawling all over him. My feel from what I know is he will stay but I am worried :shh

👆👆👆👆 this

Same as me.

Can I add from what I know of the bloke he will want to stay. He is incredibly loyal, loves the Club and loves living in Melbourne.

I see him our best 22 easily. If he wasn't injured he would have played the EF

But.....

As I said IMHO the club is in an awkward spot when it comes to trades simply because of what they've built over the last 5 or so years.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 21, 2022, 08:56:41 PM
So- Fridge has 2 years plus a trigger for a third year. Yes- he wants to play as a mid who rests forward and with the pending arrivals of Tim and Jacob, he rightly has asked where he sits. Word is he is likely to stay but has clubs crawling all over him. My feel from what I know is he will stay but I am worried :shh

👆👆👆👆 this

Same as me.

Can I add from what I know of the bloke he will want to stay. He is incredibly loyal, loves the Club and loves living in Melbourne.

I see him our best 22 easily. If he wasn't injured he would have played the EF

But.....

As I said IMHO the club is in an awkward spot when it comes to trades simply because of what they've built over the last 5 or so years.

2 years + a trigger for an additional 1 as in an offer by us for an extension or as an offer by another club. If it’s an offer by another club it’s not a very appealing one to move clubs for - can’t see him leaving for an offer like that.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on September 21, 2022, 08:57:51 PM
So- Fridge has 2 years plus a trigger for a third year. Yes- he wants to play as a mid who rests forward and with the pending arrivals of Tim and Jacob, he rightly has asked where he sits. Word is he is likely to stay but has clubs crawling all over him. My feel from what I know is he will stay but I am worried :shh

👆👆👆👆 this

Same as me.

Can I add from what I know of the bloke he will want to stay. He is incredibly loyal, loves the Club and loves living in Melbourne.

I see him our best 22 easily. If he wasn't injured he would have played the EF

But.....

As I said IMHO the club is in an awkward spot when it comes to trades simply because of what they've built over the last 5 or so years.


And his partner is settled in Melbourne and yes, loves the club and players.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Buddysucks on September 21, 2022, 09:39:13 PM
He is a heart and soul type player for us. I’d hate to see him traded.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 21, 2022, 09:58:29 PM
The club must keep him.

No trades involving him at all.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: torch on September 21, 2022, 10:19:57 PM
If GWS are wanting a top 10 pick for Hopper because he has finished in B&F top 3 twice and in AA top 40.

Graham, 2 x Premiership player, Runner Up in B&F, if he wants to go, nothing less than a Top 10 pick for Graham.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: lamington on September 22, 2022, 12:08:13 AM
I would argue bringing in Taranto and hopper makes him an even more required player. Someone has to do defensive grunt work and be an enforcer when you have silk like Taranto and Bolton in the middle. That’s what Graham brings. Also as others have noted is we aren’t going to play cotchin and prestia for 22 games so there is definitely midfield spots available
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 22, 2022, 01:17:09 AM
Not arguing Graham isn’t a required player but Taranto and hopper are far from one way runners. Taranto in particular ranks elite for pressure acts (not too far off grahams avg) and above avg for tackles (equal with grahams avg). If you go by his b&f year of 2019 his defensive numbers are even greater.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 22, 2022, 07:49:58 AM
I think the reaction is frankly a little over the top. Feels a bit desperate and reminds me of us in the early 2000’s where we thought trading players like Ben Holland would be apocalyptic.
He’s a good player, not great. He’s important but dispensable for the right offer.
While it would be a shame to lose him, particularly as he is an age which is under represented and would unbalance  our list, the right offer would be the right call to trade.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on September 22, 2022, 01:55:38 PM
Everybody is replaceable, but when assessing a players worth there are other things to be considered  like  leadership and team sacrifice  . We lost a few leaders with Edwards  and Lambert going and would miss Graham’s leadership more then ever on and off the field if he went . A bloke who plays injured and play a defensive role has certainly brought in.
If he went , you would want a lot, but should be encouraged to stay
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 23, 2022, 06:29:39 PM
Crows, Power named as interested clubs in race for Richmond’s Jack Graham

"Both clubs are doing their due diligence when it comes to Jack Graham," 9 News Adelaide's Josh Money reported.

"Nine News understands that it would take a really strong offer to lure him away from Richmond, especially given he still has a year to run on his deal.

"It is thought though that with the Tigers recruiting Giants midfielders Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper that Graham is certainly gettable.

"But the go-home factor isn't necessarily at play here. Graham has recently bought a farm in Victoria and he's very settled in Melbourne.

"Now the former SA captain has long been linked to the Crows, who are once again asking the question, while Port Adelaide sees him as an alternative to Bulldog Josh Dunkley, who they have just missed out on."

https://www.zerohanger.com/crows-power-named-as-interested-clubs-in-race-for-richmonds-jack-graham-afl-trade-news-127951/
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 23, 2022, 06:47:09 PM
RIEWOLDT KEEN FOR “CAPTAIN MATERIAL” GRAHAM TO STAY AT TIGERS

By Vas Shipp
SEN
23 September 2022


Jack Riewoldt has thrown his support behind Richmond teammate Jack Graham following the revelation that the 24-year-old is open to a trade from Punt Road this off-season.

Speaking on SEN Tassie, Riewoldt was glowing in his praise of Graham, who finished second in the club Best and Fairest a season ago.

“I would be absolutely flat (if Graham is traded) because he is a great person, and a player that we firmly believe could be a real good leader, possibly captain material,” he said.

The two-time premiership player was forced to play a mainly half-forward role this season and with the potential arrival of Giants duo Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto this trade period, that area of the ground will only be further crowded.

“I firmly believe that Jack Graham is going to be a very good player for us going forward. One of the things that (Graham) has got, he can play anywhere; half-forward, wing, he can play inside, it’s just finding the right balance of that inside mids, along with Dion Prestia,” Riewoldt said.

“Shai Bolton is probably in the same spot, how much midfield time do you give him compared with forward time, Dustin (Martin) as well.

“We’ve got to try and figure it all out, but ultimately they’re all great team players so they will do what they need to do, but you still need to try and find some inside mid time for a lot of those players.”

Multiple rival clubs have reportedly sought out the services of Graham, who has one year remaining on the three-year deal he penned with the Tigers in late 2020.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/22/riewoldt-keen-for-captain-material-graham-to-stay-at-tigers/
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: torch on September 24, 2022, 01:27:59 PM
Jack Graham isn’t serious is he?

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on September 24, 2022, 02:13:29 PM
Jack Graham isn’t serious is he?
Graham hasn't said anything. There's no quotes from him. It's all media speculation from the same footy journos who said Dusty was going to Sydney and Buddy was heading to Brisbane.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on September 24, 2022, 02:23:45 PM
Jack Graham isn’t serious is he?


I would say 70% chance of staying.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 24, 2022, 03:02:50 PM
Jack Graham isn’t serious is he?


I would say 70% chance of staying.

I'd say 85% myself
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 24, 2022, 03:11:43 PM
I'd say 92.3407%

This comes from a great source
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerLand on September 24, 2022, 09:03:03 PM
Graham isn't going anywhere.

A mixture of ensuring his worth for contract talks and media looking for a story.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Broadsword on September 25, 2022, 04:31:50 PM
I'd say 92.3407%

This comes from a great source
I have no idea where you got the fourth decimal from--that's just absurd. 92.341% in my book.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 25, 2022, 05:34:41 PM
I'd say 92.3407%

This comes from a great source
I have no idea where you got the fourth decimal from--that's just absurd. 92.341% in my book.
That's how secret and informative my source is, and this is the number I was given.  :lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on September 26, 2022, 04:39:22 AM
Graham will be traded. Bookmark it
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: crackertiger on September 26, 2022, 07:17:47 AM
Yep gone..
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on September 26, 2022, 07:25:47 AM
Honestly if we're afraid to loose Graham we a in a world of pain if we can't cover his loss and so called leadership.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 26, 2022, 11:20:05 AM
Absolutely tradeable. Struggling to be best 22 IMO although he did show good signs the past 18m and we're going to lose mids in Kane, Shedda, Cotch etc
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 26, 2022, 03:31:31 PM
"If he can see four years of opportunities at another club, versus potentially being on the fringe at Richmond, then you've got to have a look at it."

- @JoshJenkins24 on Jack Graham potentially leaving the Tigers.

https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1574183258647994368
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerLand on September 26, 2022, 06:55:09 PM
Josh Jenkins lol

Not interested in this mugs thoughts after Graham absolutely floored his team. Probably still has Camp nightmares of Jack Graham that is.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on September 26, 2022, 10:14:58 PM
I know he's well liked but if he's convinced to move by either RFC or another club we will be fine and hopefully compensated accordingly.

I don't see a big role for him if we land Taranto, Hopper, Sonsie coming through. Need someone with a bit more zip.

Exactly. No need to get overly sentimental about this.

If he cant get a game next year because Hopper & TT come in (which is probable) then he might request a trade at the end of next year anyway.

Hmm this. No way he will get a game in front of those two especially if were looking at contested ball and clearances.

What we are likely to do is play him in a role that others have far better attributes to perform, make no mistake this is exactly what Hardwick has done with a lot of players and already has with Graham,why well the only plausible answers are  for no other reason than  he is well liked and is a premiership player.

Its a simple question what role do people want to see Graham playing in. For me its as an inside mid who gets first hands on the ball and gets it out to others. Trouble with that is he has not done a hell of a lot to date as an inside mid.

With Cotch and Dusty going around again with our best mid in Prestia, the X factor of Bolton sheesh i hate that saying X factor,With both Taranto and Hopper that has to be just about the best 6 mids going around. Throw in game time for Sonsie They have kept Ross as mids they would all be in front of Graham imo.

So as a slow player who should be playing inside and winning lots of contested ball there is not a spot so lets look on the out side.
He should not get a gig in front of Pickett McIntosh Ralphsmith who is tracking well and we have used good picks on two real good movers in Banks and Browne.

Personally if we can get a top 25 pick for him id be using it on an explosive big bodied say 187cm plus ball winner.If the pick fails so be it but its these types who can take games by the scruff of the neck ffs just look at Dusty his size and power make him impossible  to stop. Cripps is another a different beast but its there for all to see.You can reel em off but if you only take a small number of this type then most likely you could scratch around for a decade and not get a good un.

 I think over the last 6 or so years we have targeted just two potential big inside players thru the ND. Ross has not been the answer and it seems RC-D has not been as well but keep digging keep going to the well sooner or later we will get a real good un.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 27, 2022, 09:05:31 AM
I know he's well liked but if he's convinced to move by either RFC or another club we will be fine and hopefully compensated accordingly.

I don't see a big role for him if we land Taranto, Hopper, Sonsie coming through. Need someone with a bit more zip.

Exactly. No need to get overly sentimental about this.

If he cant get a game next year because Hopper & TT come in (which is probable) then he might request a trade at the end of next year anyway.

Hmm this. No way he will get a game in front of those two especially if were looking at contested ball and clearances.

What we are likely to do is play him in a role that others have far better attributes to perform, make no mistake this is exactly what Hardwick has done with a lot of players and already has with Graham,why well the only plausible answers are  for no other reason than  he is well liked and is a premiership player.

Its a simple question what role do people want to see Graham playing in. For me its as an inside mid who gets first hands on the ball and gets it out to others. Trouble with that is he has not done a hell of a lot to date as an inside mid.

With Cotch and Dusty going around again with our best mid in Prestia, the X factor of Bolton sheesh i hate that saying X factor,With both Taranto and Hopper that has to be just about the best 6 mids going around. Throw in game time for Sonsie They have kept Ross as mids they would all be in front of Graham imo.

So as a slow player who should be playing inside and winning lots of contested ball there is not a spot so lets look on the out side.
He should not get a gig in front of Pickett McIntosh Ralphsmith who is tracking well and we have used good picks on two real good movers in Banks and Browne.

Personally if we can get a top 25 pick for him id be using it on an explosive big bodied say 187cm plus ball winner.If the pick fails so be it but its these types who can take games by the scruff of the neck ffs just look at Dusty his size and power make him impossible  to stop. Cripps is another a different beast but its there for all to see.You can reel em off but if you only take a small number of this type then most likely you could scratch around for a decade and not get a good un.

 I think over the last 6 or so years we have targeted just two potential big inside players thru the ND. Ross has not been the answer and it seems RC-D has not been as well but keep digging keep going to the well sooner or later we will get a real good un.

Agree with a lot of this
I’d definitely have him ahead of Ross however

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 27, 2022, 02:51:11 PM
Port Adelaide's football manager Chris Davies says Graham is among the South Australian-born players of interest to his club.

"We have got interest in South Australian players who might be interested in coming home, definitely," Davies told Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio on Tuesday.

"Jack is obviously a good player. I am not sure where his situation is at with Richmond.

"But any player who ... is from South Australia and wants to come back, we have got to take an interest in them."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/852100/power-eye-flag-tiger-want-first-round-compo-for-amon

--------------------------------------

Jack Graham (Richmond)

Is the club [Port Adelaide] interested in the Richmond midfielder?


“We’ve got interest in South Australian players who might be interested in coming home, definitely,” he said.

“Jack is obviously a good player, I’m not sure where his situation is at with Richmond. Any player who is from South Australia who potentially wants to come back, we’ve got to take an interest in them.

“There’s too many players that leave South Australia to go back to their home states and for that matter for every club, teams who lose players because they want to go to different states.

“We need to make sure that we’ve got an interest in players who are wanting to come home at any point in time.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/26/port-adelaide-provides-the-latest-on-rioli-graham-pickett-georgiades-grundy/
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on September 28, 2022, 01:49:48 PM
Looks gone

https://twitter.com/EmmaHendo9/status/1574951504058159105?t=8cZmhCGfhrNwEG4cFuMk6A&s=19
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 28, 2022, 01:54:14 PM
Looks gone

https://twitter.com/EmmaHendo9/status/1574951504058159105?t=8cZmhCGfhrNwEG4cFuMk6A&s=19

 :huh3

Why? because he's gone home to spend some time with his family and got stopped at the airport for a comment?

Lot to play out here
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 28, 2022, 02:16:09 PM
Looks gone

https://twitter.com/EmmaHendo9/status/1574951504058159105?t=8cZmhCGfhrNwEG4cFuMk6A&s=19

If we get overs at the trade table , FANTASTIC
If we get unders , then it’s stuffed

All comes down to value
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 28, 2022, 02:48:37 PM
"It's my understanding they have a strong interest in Jack Graham now."

@RileyBev on @PAFC interest in Jack Graham.

https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1574942717552971776
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 28, 2022, 02:52:53 PM
Looks gone

https://twitter.com/EmmaHendo9/status/1574951504058159105?t=8cZmhCGfhrNwEG4cFuMk6A&s=19

 :huh3

Why? because he's gone home to spend some time with his family and got stopped at the airport for a comment?

Lot to play out here
I wasn't aware Ken Hinkley was related to him.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on September 28, 2022, 03:08:07 PM
Looks gone

https://twitter.com/EmmaHendo9/status/1574951504058159105?t=8cZmhCGfhrNwEG4cFuMk6A&s=19

If we get overs at the trade table , FANTASTIC
If we get unders , then it’s stuffed

All comes down to value


Jack is having a short stay back home before returning for a few player weddings.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 28, 2022, 03:15:50 PM
Looks gone

https://twitter.com/EmmaHendo9/status/1574951504058159105?t=8cZmhCGfhrNwEG4cFuMk6A&s=19

If we get overs at the trade table , FANTASTIC
If we get unders , then it’s stuffed

All comes down to value


Jack is having a short stay back home before returning for a few player weddings.

Stick with exactly what I said

Why he’s there changes nothing for me

If he goes he goes , if he stays he stays

All comes down to getting adequate value
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 28, 2022, 03:17:56 PM
After claiming he was only in town to see family & wouldn’t be touring any clubs, Jack Graham has just met with Ken Hinkley at Power HQ before leaving alongside Ryan Burton.
More on @9NewsAdel @FootyonNine

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fdt0cN3aAAAMmWI?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fdt0cN2aIAE7xv3?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/EmmaHendo9/status/1574980535650512896
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on September 28, 2022, 03:18:52 PM
Looks gone

https://twitter.com/EmmaHendo9/status/1574951504058159105?t=8cZmhCGfhrNwEG4cFuMk6A&s=19

If we get overs at the trade table , FANTASTIC
If we get unders , then it’s stuffed

All comes down to value


Jack is having a short stay back home before returning for a few player weddings.

Stick with exactly what I said

Why he’s there changes nothing for me

If he goes he goes , if he stays he stays

All comes down to getting adequate value


Toured PA today sadly. Personally, if he leaves it’s a blow to us. Much loved teammate.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 28, 2022, 03:20:11 PM
I enjoy it when people pretend they know what a bloke is up to and end up with egg on their face. It's classic
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 28, 2022, 03:20:55 PM
I enjoy it when people pretend they know what a bloke is up to and end up with egg on their face. It's classic

 :lol :lol :lol

Yep
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 28, 2022, 03:21:24 PM
JUST IN: Richmond premiership star Jack Graham has met with Power coach Ken Hinkley and football boss Chris Davies at Alberton. The in-demand Tiger said he was visiting family as he jetted into Adelaide. Details in 7NEWS Adelaide at 4pm and 6pm

WATCH VISION HERE: https://twitter.com/7NewsAdelaide/status/1574985102794182656
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 28, 2022, 03:27:50 PM
Looks gone

https://twitter.com/EmmaHendo9/status/1574951504058159105?t=8cZmhCGfhrNwEG4cFuMk6A&s=19

If we get overs at the trade table , FANTASTIC
If we get unders , then it’s stuffed

All comes down to value


Jack is having a short stay back home before returning for a few player weddings.

Stick with exactly what I said

Why he’s there changes nothing for me

If he goes he goes , if he stays he stays

All comes down to getting adequate value


Correct

Very few of our players are legitimately untradeable
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on September 28, 2022, 03:30:58 PM
Graham will be traded. Bookmark it

Bump

The Ch7 cameras aren’t there by accident. They been tipped off.  It’s called conditioning Ports bogan supporters that it’s happening
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on September 28, 2022, 03:39:12 PM
Will wait and see. After Dusty, touring opposition facilities doesn't always mean a player is 100% going but it doesn't look good.

If Graham is going then I'd suspect we'll get their Amon compo if it's a first rounder (more likely end of first round). It wouldn't surprise me if we try and ask for Georgiades as we need young key forwards with Riewoldt likely retiring in 12 months time.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on September 28, 2022, 03:42:50 PM
Would be disappointed to see him go. Is still required IMO and is a tiger man
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 28, 2022, 03:48:06 PM
Will wait and see. After Dusty, touring opposition facilities doesn't always mean a player is 100% going but it doesn't look good.

If Graham is going then I'd suspect we'll get their Amon compo if it's a first rounder (more likely end of first round). It wouldn't surprise me if we try and ask for Georgiades as we need young key forwards with Riewoldt likely retiring in 12 months time.

Looks good if we get adequate value
If we get bent over , agree , doesn’t look good
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on September 28, 2022, 04:02:09 PM
Looks gone

https://twitter.com/EmmaHendo9/status/1574951504058159105?t=8cZmhCGfhrNwEG4cFuMk6A&s=19

 :huh3

Why? because he's gone home to spend some time with his family and got stopped at the airport for a comment?

Lot to play out here

Mate catchup on the news has met Port so a matter of working out a deal now.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: lamington on September 28, 2022, 04:10:43 PM
I remember being super bummed with Lids and Anthony miles being dumped and didn’t think they were great trades. I have eaten my hat since.

I do think he has a place on the team but with the premiership medals he might just want to pad bank or start a new challenge.

I rate him super highly and playing with 1 arm against geelong in the prelim will always be how I remember him.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 28, 2022, 04:25:24 PM
Richmond premiership player Jack Graham has met with Port Adelaide coach Ken Hinkley and football boss Chris Davies as speculation around a potential move escalates.

After originally telling media he had no plans to meet with the Power - and that he was only in Adelaide to meet family - the in-demand Tiger was caught on camera at Alberton Oval with the club’s heavy-hitters.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1575005980659589120/wL8QLbLM?format=jpg&name=small)

https://7news.com.au/sport/afl-trades/flag-tiger-caught-on-camera-with-ken-hinkley-after-telling-media-he-had-no-plans-to-meet-clubs-c-8382936
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on September 28, 2022, 04:47:06 PM
Is that jumper designed to conceal all the brown paper bags? Looks like it’s 3 sizes too big
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 28, 2022, 04:50:57 PM
I enjoy it when people pretend they know what a bloke is up to and end up with egg on their face. It's classic

Directed at me clearly

think it's called trolling and baiting

but anyway.......

Was only going by what I was told by someone first thing this morning who was at the B&F last night


Toured PA today sadly. Personally, if he leaves it’s a blow to us. Much loved teammate.

Agree
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 28, 2022, 05:10:26 PM

Directed at me clearly


I thought differently
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 28, 2022, 05:20:59 PM
Don’t mind him touring port. Like I said he’s entitled to do his due diligence before making a decision. If he decides he wants to go back to SA then fair play to him, it will be up to port to come up with a trade that satisfies the club. Although knowing us we won’t make it to difficult for a departing player to leave.

Will be sad to see him go and would prefer to keep him but atleast purely from a playing perspective I do think he’d be in the 18-26 player range so getting a first rounder for him wouldn’t be a bad result. Is a tad injury prone too, even if he doesn’t miss a huge amount of games always seems to be playing through some sort of injury.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 28, 2022, 06:51:55 PM
I was at a sportsman’s night last week with a Tiger player, he said it was pretty much Jack's decision to look into a trade.

https://twitter.com/1974keg/status/1574995887121584128
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 28, 2022, 06:54:41 PM
CONTRACT QUIRK IN PORT'S TIGER CHASE

PORT Adelaide met with Jack Graham on Wednesday, as the club solidified its growing interest in the contracted Richmond midfielder ahead of next week's Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period.

Graham signed a three-year deal with the Tigers in 2020, but it's understood he has an easily reachable trigger for next season that in reality would ensure his future at Punt Road until at least the end of the 2024 campaign.

The dual premiership player would become a free agent at the conclusion of that 2024 season, therefore is likely to only consider a long-term deal from a rival club if he is to waive his free agency rights with Richmond.

Graham flew into his home state of South Australia on Wednesday morning and toured Port Adelaide's Alberton facilities, as well as meeting with key Power officials including coach Ken Hinkley and football boss Chris Davies.

It's understood the Tigers were aware of the meeting and do not wish to lose Graham, though the club is expected to add to its midfield depth through the arrival of talented Giants duo Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper.

Graham has played 97 games for Richmond and featured in both its 2017 and 2020 premiership wins. However, he missed the side's 2019 flag victory after injuring his shoulder in the preliminary final.

Port Adelaide is heading into a trade period where it is expected to land West Coast small forward Junior Rioli and delisted Geelong youngster Francis Evans. It currently has picks No.8, 53 and 56 at the NAB AFL Draft.

– Riley Beveridge

https://www.afl.com.au/news/852285/contract-quirk-for-flag-tiger-swan-on-verge-of-new-deal-giant-in-limbo
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 28, 2022, 07:05:10 PM
Tom Browne on 7news tonight:

"Now Tiger Jack Graham visited Port Adelaide today. The reason is Taranto and Hopper have created a salary squeeze ... a good one ... at Punt Rd. Even Tom Lynch has agreed to shuffle his payments around."

Go to 0:55 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1575045355422781440

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9news had Jack Graham's full response to the media on arriving at Adelaide airport:

Go to 1:00 min mark: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1575045667667542017
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on September 28, 2022, 07:55:45 PM
I enjoy it when people pretend they know what a bloke is up to and end up with egg on their face. It's classic


No egg. A lot can happen within 24 hours and my pretending isn’t pretending…not sure why you would take a pot shot :thumbsdown
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 28, 2022, 08:35:00 PM
9news Adelaide's report:

https://twitter.com/9NewsAdel/status/1575052739704508418

Graham drove off with Ryan Burton who he apparently played junior footy with at North Adelaide.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 28, 2022, 08:36:42 PM
Is this a fair trade if Jack Graham departs Tigerland?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fdu2jpmaUAEDYPg?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1575053224704618496
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 28, 2022, 08:49:34 PM
Always rated the 7AFL Twitter page.

Hopefully we can get the Tarrant and hopper deals done first so that gws can’t ask for anything we get from port if jack does decide to leave.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 28, 2022, 08:59:49 PM
That 7afl tweet has certainly set off opposition fans  :snidegrin.

Quote from: BB
Geez that’s overs, Graham just a battler let’s not forget that, most of the tigers list are, they just play a system well !! Simples
Quote from: tonyegg
Maybe  a 3rd rounder
Quote from: Bill Hartwig
Why is every trade suggested by this mob heavily weighted in favour of Victorian clubs.
Zero credibility.
Jack Graham's worth at this stage of his career is no more than a second rounder. Full stop.
Quote from: J.Em
Current Ben Graham is worth more. Absolute joke of a tweet
Quote from: Usual AFLFantasy Player
Quote from: Gary
How would Port get Rankine if they're giving Richmond pick 8??
Because Crom is getting rankine
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1575053224704618496
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 28, 2022, 09:02:23 PM
What's best for Jack Graham? (The Late Trade) - Day 3 (28/09/22)

Damian Barrett, Stephen Silvagni and Matt Rendell discuss where Jack Graham sits with the potential arrivals of both Tim Tarranto and Jacob Hopper.

Listen here: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1046792
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on September 28, 2022, 09:29:15 PM
Is this a fair trade if Jack Graham departs Tigerland?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fdu2jpmaUAEDYPg?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1575053224704618496
Whether this is realistic or not, it shows how the trade period can make these things fluid from a Club perspective as well as Jack's.

If Port are putting their pick 8 on the table and that would satisfy GWS regarding Taranto and Hopper then the Club will have to consider it even if they don't really want to offload Graham.

Richmond:  Out -> 12, 19, Graham.
                 In <- Taranto, Hopper & Port's future 2nd.

                 Leaves us with pick 30 this year so we're still in the draft while next year we'll have a first (which we've kept) plus two 2nd rounders.

GWS:   Out -> Taranto & Hopper.
           In <- Picks 8, 12.

Port:    Out -> Pick 8, future 2nd.
           In <- Graham & pick 19.


Similarly, Jack today could be just doing his due diligence just in case Port throw him an offer that's too good to refuse. If he gets offered a deal that's 5-7 years long and worth significantly more money, then he will have to consider it.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 28, 2022, 09:38:53 PM
Not sure pick 8 would be on the table from Port.

Surely they will need that to get Rankine?  :-\
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 28, 2022, 09:48:38 PM
Not sure pick 8 would be on the table from Port.

Surely they will need that to get Rankine?  :-\

Rankine going to the crows.

Port have pick 8, Amon compo (expected to be end of 1st even though it’s the same offer bellis got and we were compensated with an end of second….) and some picks in the 50s.

Ontop of jack, willie rioli has also nominated them so they’ll need to get creative to get both those deals done. Prob will need to dip into their 2023 draft hand.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: wayne on September 28, 2022, 09:49:05 PM
Not sure pick 8 would be on the table from Port.

Surely they will need that to get Rankine?  :-\

Crows are getting Rankine I thought.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 28, 2022, 09:55:36 PM
Not sure pick 8 would be on the table from Port.

Surely they will need that to get Rankine?  :-\

Crows are getting Rankine I thought.
oops you're right

Sorry
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 28, 2022, 11:08:30 PM
Is this a fair trade if Jack Graham departs Tigerland?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fdu2jpmaUAEDYPg?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1575053224704618496


Port won't do that lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 29, 2022, 02:53:08 AM

Directed at me clearly


I thought differently
correct. There was another poster who changed their tune within about 15 minutes of their previous post   :lol

Not everything is about making fun of you, WP.  :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on September 29, 2022, 07:21:57 AM

Directed at me clearly


I thought differently
correct. There was another poster who changed their tune within about 15 minutes of their previous post   :lol

Not everything is about making fun of you, WP.  :shh


Directed at me…
He went home to see family and will be back to attend some player weddings, Broad and George. This is correct. Whilst there he toured Port sadly. This is not changing their tune, this is factual  :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 29, 2022, 09:13:32 AM
Massive loss IMV if true. 6 months ago he was touted as our captain. It’s offset if Hopper delivers. I’m sure Taranto will, but hopper I’m not sure given his injury, and our unprofessionalism in this area of late.

Could also have something to do with getting a sniff in next years predicted bumper draft. This year is poor so the experts tell us.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 29, 2022, 01:30:24 PM
Jack Graham (Richmond)

“I think he’s realised it’s a pretty brutal business, this. In comes Jacob Hopper, in comes Tim Taranto, the grass is greener, he’s got to go I think,” Matthew Lloyd told AFL Trade Radio.

“You’ve got Dion Prestia, even Jack Ross … Trent Cotchin plays ahead of him this year, I don’t think he plays VFL this year.

“The battle for him is with Shai Bolton, Dustin Martin didn’t play a lot of footy this year – it’s a tough midfield to break into.

“Whereas Port Adelaide misses out on Josh Dunkley … (Graham’s) got a two-year deal, they’ll probably give him another two years on top of that and he can really set himself.

“If he wants to go home to his family, I think it’s a good move to go.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/28/the-12-players-who-the-grass-may-be-greener-for-at-a-new-afl-club-in-2023/
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 29, 2022, 01:33:48 PM
Josh Jenkins isn't a fan of the Power's pursuit of Jack Graham.

Watch here: https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1575297810164916225
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 29, 2022, 02:15:49 PM
Losing Jack Graham could come back to haunt Tigers

Is the Tigers willingness to let the midfielder walk a mistake for them?

Benjamin Millard
zerohanger.com
September 29, 2022


Richmond star midfielder Jack Graham is looking more likely by the day to make the switch from Punt Road back home to South Australia during free agency period.

The 24-year-old yesterday met with Ken Hinkley and had a tour of Port Adelaide's Alberton training ground, all but confirming reports he is seriously considering a move back home to Adelaide.

Graham has been earmarked as a future Richmond captain by the Tiger faithful and punters alike, with his quality and hard-nosed character seeing him be a core part of all of the club's premiership successes.

However, it's the pursuit of Giants star pairing Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper that is leaving Graham with the conundrum of either sticking it out and battling for places at Punt Road or switching to Ken Hinkley's Power and becoming a core part of their engine room.

Speaking on Hanger TV, Jake Benoiton has weighed in on the situation, agreeing that letting Graham go could be a move Damien Hardwick lives to regret.

"They are getting in two very, very good players but I just can't imagine letting Jack Graham go would be for the betterment of the football club in any capacity," Benoiton said.

"I think he's a superstar, he's a very, very good player and he's touted as a future captain.

"We see the likes of Trent Cotchin, Toby Nankervis and Dylan Grimes - there is a special kind of character in those three and Jack Graham fits that mould terrifically.

"Bringing in two players on seven-year deals on likely north of $700k only to get rid of Jack Graham who has been a part of your most successful era almost ever, it seems like a brave move but it's not one that I'm on board with."

After playing 20 games throughout the home-and-away season, Graham was not selected for the club's elimination final loss to the Lions as a result of a nagging foot injury that saw him sit out Round 23.

The star mid burst onto the scene in Richmond's triumphant 2017 Grand Final win, booting three goals in the big dance at just 19 years of age.

Since then, he has effectively kept his spot in the side, however, the impending arrival of Taranto and Hopper will almost certainly change that.

Should Graham somehow stay, he will be battling with veterans Dion Prestia and Trent Cotchin for a spot in the side's 22, with the latter of those likely being the one he beats out to as a result of 2023 likely being his final year of AFL football.

The 24-year-old still has a year to go on his contract, meaning that the Power will have to throw in something to entice Blair Hartley and his list management team despite the Tigers having to likely clear out salary cap space to make room for their incomings.

All will be revealed over trade period, however there is no question that Tiger fans will be sad to see Graham walk should he return home.

https://www.zerohanger.com/losing-jack-graham-could-come-back-to-haunt-tigers-afl-trade-news-128208/
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 29, 2022, 02:54:52 PM
I’m not following the logic of him leaving unless it’s an offer can can’t refuse.
- He’s under contract
- Why trade in 2 mids and lose another?
- We don’t need the cap space
- He might struggle for a prime spot in midfield next year but then Cotchin retires so club over individual? He’s always been team first why change now?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 29, 2022, 04:15:42 PM
I’m not following the logic of him leaving unless it’s an offer can can’t refuse.
- He’s under contract
- Why trade in 2 mids and lose another?
- We don’t need the cap space
- He might struggle for a prime spot in midfield next year but then Cotchin retires so club over individual? He’s always been team first why change now?

Although I don't *want* him to leave

Contracts don't matter much these days
Both Taranto and Hopper are upgrades
Cap space is nice, allows us to re-negotiation Lynch, Dusty, pay Bolton, chase a KPF etc
Agree re: Cotch retirement and also add Prestia's dodgy hammies etc
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 29, 2022, 04:23:29 PM
Anyone that refers to Graham as a “superstar” has no idea and isn’t worth listening to

In saying that , he’s a very good B grader and clubmen

It all comes down to value .. if we don’t get adequate, then it’s great if he stays

If we get a great offer, Ooroo
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 29, 2022, 04:39:51 PM
I think this idea of us having cap space is a bit of a furphy

Granted he's not the most reliable source but Tom Brown on Ch7 news last night said there was a "good cap squeeze" going on at Punt Road and rhat even Lynch had agreed to spread out his $$$ ofr next season to bring in Tarranto and Hopper

While I agree he is not a superstar player he is certainly a superstar person. A natural born leader and one of the most popular members of the playing group.

And as I've said a few times the Club needs to be very careful with what they do. We've built something very special and sometimes it isn't solely about the on field but what off field and what impact a player has on the fabric of a club.

It will be what it will be

But IMHO it will be a huge loss if he goes
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 29, 2022, 04:46:45 PM

Directed at me clearly


I thought differently
correct. There was another poster who changed their tune within about 15 minutes of their previous post   :lol

Not everything is about making fun of you, WP.  :shh


Directed at me…
He went home to see family and will be back to attend some player weddings, Broad and George. This is correct. Whilst there he toured Port sadly. This is not changing their tune, this is factual  :shh

There was literally 7 minutes between your first post quoting Damo where you said he's just over there to see family and will return to Melbourne (no poo, he lives here) and your 2nd post to Damo where you say "he toured PA sadly" after it was made public that he'd met with Hinkley.

He wasn't just there to see family. He is meeting with another football club. A couple of you indicated with certainty this wasn't the case. Just admit you were wrong
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 29, 2022, 04:51:14 PM
Anyone that refers to Graham as a “superstar” has no idea and isn’t worth listening to

In saying that , he’s a very good B grader and clubmen

It all comes down to value .. if we don’t get adequate, then it’s great if he stays

If we get a great offer, Ooroo
you're one of the only people not swept up in the emotion of him being a fantastic bloke.

Very solid player. Very happy to have him at the club, also very happy to see a trade if we get something good in return. He's a contracted player so we have the upper hand and don't have to settle for a mediocre offer. It's a good position
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 29, 2022, 05:20:23 PM
Anyone that refers to Graham as a “superstar” has no idea and isn’t worth listening to

In saying that , he’s a very good B grader and clubmen

It all comes down to value .. if we don’t get adequate, then it’s great if he stays

If we get a great offer, Ooroo
you're one of the only people not swept up in the emotion of him being a fantastic bloke.

Very solid player. Very happy to have him at the club, also very happy to see a trade if we get something good in return. He's a contracted player so we have the upper hand and don't have to settle for a mediocre offer. It's a good position

Agree with what you are saying 10000%
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on September 29, 2022, 07:10:15 PM
Not every one needs to be a superstar in a champion team, but as in Graham’s case need to play your role well . A bonus was giving your all and leading by example . I wouldn’t  let him go unless Port pay overs as we still need his abilities .
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 29, 2022, 07:14:55 PM
Assuming it wouldn’t make its way to GWS as part of the hopper/Taranto deals, would people be satisfied if port gave up pick 8 for graham and our pick 19? Ideally it would be our pick 30 instead but don’t think port do that.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: pmac21 on September 29, 2022, 08:02:02 PM
Assuming it wouldn’t make its way to GWS as part of the hopper/Taranto deals, would people be satisfied if port gave up pick 8 for graham and our pick 19? Ideally it would be our pick 30 instead but don’t think port do that.

A pick upgrade is not enough for him.  2x premiership player at 24.  Gut runner.  He's not that far behind Taranto in quality. 
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 29, 2022, 08:19:45 PM
Assuming it wouldn’t make its way to GWS as part of the hopper/Taranto deals, would people be satisfied if port gave up pick 8 for graham and our pick 19? Ideally it would be our pick 30 instead but don’t think port do that.

A pick upgrade is not enough for him.  2x premiership player at 24.  Gut runner.  He's not that far behind Taranto in quality.

I disagree that he’s not far off taranto in terms of quality. Taranto is an out and out gun imo and graham is a very good role player (albeit an important role for us). Taranto pretty much matches jack in the defensive side of things including pressure rating and tackles while being far superior in clearances and contested possessions.

While I’m proud of all the multiple time premiership players that we have, I don’t think it holds the same weight for everyone at the trade table in terms of bringing up their value as significantly as some suggest. For example the much maligned Castagna was a 3 time premiership player at age 24.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 29, 2022, 10:36:51 PM
I think this idea of us having cap space is a bit of a furphy

Granted he's not the most reliable source but Tom Brown on Ch7 news last night said there was a "good cap squeeze" going on at Punt Road and rhat even Lynch had agreed to spread out his $$$ ofr next season to bring in Tarranto and Hopper

While I agree he is not a superstar player he is certainly a superstar person. A natural born leader and one of the most popular members of the playing group.

And as I've said a few times the Club needs to be very careful with what they do. We've built something very special and sometimes it isn't solely about the on field but what off field and what impact a player has on the fabric of a club.

It will be what it will be

But IMHO it will be a huge loss if he goes

We’ve finished 12th and 7th. It was special. Let’s not get caught up in something that happened that was 2 years ago. It quickly becomes
5 years ago then all of a sudden we’re Essendon.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Willy on September 29, 2022, 10:48:18 PM
I think this idea of us having cap space is a bit of a furphy

Granted he's not the most reliable source but Tom Brown on Ch7 news last night said there was a "good cap squeeze" going on at Punt Road and rhat even Lynch had agreed to spread out his $$$ ofr next season to bring in Tarranto and Hopper

While I agree he is not a superstar player he is certainly a superstar person. A natural born leader and one of the most popular members of the playing group.

And as I've said a few times the Club needs to be very careful with what they do. We've built something very special and sometimes it isn't solely about the on field but what off field and what impact a player has on the fabric of a club.

It will be what it will be

But IMHO it will be a huge loss if he goes

We’ve finished 12th and 7th. It was special. Let’s not get caught up in something that happened that was 2 years ago. It quickly becomes
5 years ago then all of a sudden we’re Essendon.

Bang on.

There was nothing special about us over the last two years.

I like that the club is being agreesive in trying to improve the list.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Fluffy Tiger on September 29, 2022, 11:38:18 PM
People on here raved on about the "culture" of the club when we were losing but over the last few years the world hardly ever gets used. Some players are key to a clubs culture and even though I have no inside information I would think Graham is one of those. It's imperative to keep the bond of the playing group close and trading these sorts of guys doesn't help that. Look at what other clubs have copied from us over the last few years, game plan and tightness of the playing group and you can see it's such an important part of success. My vote is to try and keep him if possible. Hope we can do that.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 30, 2022, 07:25:07 AM
I agree Fluff but I’d have Hopper and Taranto over Graham purely on football impact. I also don’t see how Hartley would be planning to gain those two and lose Graham so keeping him should be in our plans - both list and cap.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 30, 2022, 08:44:05 AM
People on here raved on about the "culture" of the club when we were losing but over the last few years the world hardly ever gets used. Some players are key to a clubs culture and even though I have no inside information I would think Graham is one of those. It's imperative to keep the bond of the playing group close and trading these sorts of guys doesn't help that. Look at what other clubs have copied from us over the last few years, game plan and tightness of the playing group and you can see it's such an important part of success. My vote is to try and keep him if possible. Hope we can do that.

Exactly the point I have been trying to make but clearly haven't as well as this post

HRT, just on your comment shout having Taranto & Hopper over Graham. Understand your point but wouldn't you want a Graham over a Ross, Castagna, Dow?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 30, 2022, 08:59:16 AM
A lot of these comments are assuming the club is pushing out the door to clear cap space rather than jack himself looking at other clubs for more midfield opportunity/long term contract/greater pay.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 30, 2022, 09:10:41 AM
A lot of these comments are assuming the club is pushing out the door to clear cap space rather than jack himself looking at other clubs for more midfield opportunity/long term contract/greater pay.
Yep, it's odd. Jack is a realist and he hasn't exactly hidden the fact he wouldn't mind going home one day. He's just been overlooked for an Elimination Final due to being sore yet was still an emergency. Next year we'll have Dusty back playing regularly and 2 midfielders who are clearly better footballers coming on board.

I'm sure he's weighing up a bigger role, potential of a good contract and a return to SA. Same way the club will weigh up whether it's worth facilitating a trade.

Whatever happens, it's not going to shatter the club
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on September 30, 2022, 09:15:29 AM
Say it again if our club can't replace a Jack Graham we're in a world of trouble simple as that. You bring in 2 very good quality players something has to give club needs to be aggressive or we will fall behind the pack.Taranto and Hooper lead Graham in the 2 most important stat's tackling and clearances.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on September 30, 2022, 09:24:05 AM
People on here raved on about the "culture" of the club when we were losing but over the last few years the world hardly ever gets used. Some players are key to a clubs culture and even though I have no inside information I would think Graham is one of those. It's imperative to keep the bond of the playing group close and trading these sorts of guys doesn't help that. Look at what other clubs have copied from us over the last few years, game plan and tightness of the playing group and you can see it's such an important part of success. My vote is to try and keep him if possible. Hope we can do that.

Exactly the point I have been trying to make but clearly haven't as well as this post

HRT, just on your comment shout having Taranto & Hopper over Graham. Understand your point but wouldn't you want a Graham over a Ross, Castagna, Dow?

Taranto and Hopper have Graham in there pockets let's not kid ourselves here. I don't believe his a future captain at our club I don't think his best 22 if things work out for us.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 30, 2022, 09:28:55 AM
People on here raved on about the "culture" of the club when we were losing but over the last few years the world hardly ever gets used. Some players are key to a clubs culture and even though I have no inside information I would think Graham is one of those. It's imperative to keep the bond of the playing group close and trading these sorts of guys doesn't help that. Look at what other clubs have copied from us over the last few years, game plan and tightness of the playing group and you can see it's such an important part of success. My vote is to try and keep him if possible. Hope we can do that.

Exactly the point I have been trying to make but clearly haven't as well as this post

HRT, just on your comment shout having Taranto & Hopper over Graham. Understand your point but wouldn't you want a Graham over a Ross, Castagna, Dow?

He is a much better players than all you mentioned. But Castagna is a forward who wasn't in the side at the end of the year. Ross is still relatively young and the jury is out, but his last 2 games against top opposition were good. Dow is a kid and I have my doubts but I don't understand your point. I suppose you could say he would be somewhat in competition with Dow/Ross for a spot but I can easily see all of them missing out on a game. If I had to pick one to play in a GF it'd be Graham but I'm pretty bloody stoked with what our midfield is going to have next season, with or without Jack.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on September 30, 2022, 09:38:13 AM
People on here raved on about the "culture" of the club when we were losing but over the last few years the world hardly ever gets used. Some players are key to a clubs culture and even though I have no inside information I would think Graham is one of those. It's imperative to keep the bond of the playing group close and trading these sorts of guys doesn't help that. Look at what other clubs have copied from us over the last few years, game plan and tightness of the playing group and you can see it's such an important part of success. My vote is to try and keep him if possible. Hope we can do that.

Exactly the point I have been trying to make but clearly haven't as well as this post

HRT, just on your comment shout having Taranto & Hopper over Graham. Understand your point but wouldn't you want a Graham over a Ross, Castagna, Dow?

He is a much better players than all you mentioned. But Castagna is a forward who wasn't in the side at the end of the year. Ross is still relatively young and the jury is out, but his last 2 games against top opposition were good. Dow is a kid and I have my doubts but I don't understand your point. I suppose you could say he would be somewhat in competition with Dow/Ross for a spot but I can easily see all of them missing out on a game. If I had to pick one to play in a GF it'd be Graham but I'm pretty bloody stoked with what our midfield is going to have next season, with or without Jack.

Damned right on your last sentence there.

Cotch
Prestia
Taranto
Hopper
Bolton
Dusty
Sonsie

Graham maybe just forced out unfortunately.

After 97 games though I think it's optimistic for some to think he has another level to go to.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on September 30, 2022, 10:37:58 AM
People on here raved on about the "culture" of the club when we were losing but over the last few years the world hardly ever gets used. Some players are key to a clubs culture and even though I have no inside information I would think Graham is one of those. It's imperative to keep the bond of the playing group close and trading these sorts of guys doesn't help that. Look at what other clubs have copied from us over the last few years, game plan and tightness of the playing group and you can see it's such an important part of success. My vote is to try and keep him if possible. Hope we can do that.

Exactly the point I have been trying to make but clearly haven't as well as this post

HRT, just on your comment shout having Taranto & Hopper over Graham. Understand your point but wouldn't you want a Graham over a Ross, Castagna, Dow?
Castagna is a three times premiership plyer and clearly a much liked player of the whole group but ther would be no comment about the culture with him if he should get the arse.

I don't get how many times does it have to be said just because you have a premiership it does not neccesarily make you a better player fmd there are so so many instances riddled thru the history of the game where some pretty average players have won a flag or more and played 100 plus games.

As for the culture it was built and continues to be driven by the many oler players we now have at the club. Losing a few popular players wont chabge that.

I think the way F/A and the way players are changing clubs regularly goes it will have little bearing on the so called culture players won't be upset at Graham wanting out or being offered up for trade that is how the system works today.

We have all watched JG and we all think our versions of JG  are the right versions  based on what we see. That leaves just one other avenue and thats the stats and boy we have a decent body of work to judge him by almost 100 games.

The stats in anyones language are saying average player who is miles behind others and in particular the two lads we are going to bring in.
I think Jack knows the writing is on the wall and he will not get a game in the midfield for us. Nor will others Ross Dow etc not unless we are ruined by injury  and that makes all of em nothing but depth players.

Anyway 97 games in and Mr Graham goes at

16.6 DISPOSALS that has to be below average for a mid.
0.4 Goals yep hes a good kick for goal but he is hardly prolific.
5.6 Tackles Thats pretty good but a lot of inside bulls are around this not getting a heap of ball and his pace says to me this will always be high.
1.8 Clearances sheesh no wonder we are after blokes like Taranto and Hopper.
6.1 Contested possesions again an are we needed to fix hence the arrival of Hopper and Taranto.

I/50 Are okay G/A Ordinary what else lacks pace but has a good kick  bottom line is what are we losing here an okay player who is also a good club man. it is not going to rip the heart out of us.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on September 30, 2022, 01:19:24 PM
Port received a second rounder (pick 27) as compo for Amon.

That's not going to appease us for Graham if Jack wants to leave.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 30, 2022, 01:22:07 PM

As for the culture it was built and continues to be driven by the many oler players we now have at the club. Losing a few popular players wont chabge that.


Yes, but there are players coming through, the next level of leaders that are and will drive the culture going forward.

Jack Graham is one of those players. Surely the fact that senior players speak of him as a future Captain sort of gives the hint

It is a real shame this year that the Club never announced the future leaders group ... they said they would they never did have no idea why but think you would find one Jack graham would be in that group

Yep, it's odd. Jack is a realist and he hasn't exactly hidden the fact he wouldn't mind going home one day. He's just been overlooked for an Elimination Final due to being sore yet was still an emergency. Next year we'll have Dusty back playing regularly and 2 midfielders who are clearly better footballers coming on board.

I'm sure he's weighing up a bigger role, potential of a good contract and a return to SA. Same way the club will weigh up whether it's worth facilitating a trade.

Whatever happens, it's not going to shatter the club

Interesting you say "he hasn't exactly hidden the fact he wouldn't mind going home one day". Don't recall ever reading or hearing him say that. So would love to know where that "fact" came from :huh

What I'm interested in is what happens if he turns around and says "I'm staying, I don't want to leave"? How will those who clearly want him either gone or have no issue with him going feel them? Will he rise to the top of "whipping boy" rankings?

As I've said I think it would be a mistake for the Club to trade him on a number of levels. But I've also said what will be, will be.

Interesting times ahead
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 30, 2022, 01:44:31 PM
You seem to be taking this a bit personally WP for whatever reason. I may be forgetting a post or 2 but I can’t really remember anyone posting anything that suggests they want him gone, just that if he does leave they wouldn’t really have a problem with it. Don’t see why him choosing to stay will change anyones opinion of him. He’s 24 years old and entering the prime of his career so if the expectations of him become a tad higher and the judgements a bit more critical then that’s pretty normal I’d say.

I’m one of those people who have said that I don’t mind if he leaves. Prefer him to stay however if it’s jacks desire to leave and we receive a good and fair trade offer then I’d be ok to do that deal. This is all assuming the club isn’t pushing him out which we don’t have any evidence that they are. I personally would find it hard to believe that the club would be the ones pushing especially if they rate him so highly on and off the field as has been discussed.

Now if it is jacks wish to be traded then I would think holding onto a player who wants to play elsewhere would be worse off culturally then the loss of a player as well regarded as jack is.

Also think this ‘future captain’ talk is being overplayed. If the players wanted him captain they would have voted for him to be so at the start of last season rather than grimes/nank. He was 24 at the start of the season so almost a perfect age to be captain - cotch was 22 when he got the role.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 30, 2022, 07:12:33 PM
People on here raved on about the "culture" of the club when we were losing but over the last few years the world hardly ever gets used. Some players are key to a clubs culture and even though I have no inside information I would think Graham is one of those. It's imperative to keep the bond of the playing group close and trading these sorts of guys doesn't help that. Look at what other clubs have copied from us over the last few years, game plan and tightness of the playing group and you can see it's such an important part of success. My vote is to try and keep him if possible. Hope we can do that.

Exactly the point I have been trying to make but clearly haven't as well as this post

HRT, just on your comment shout having Taranto & Hopper over Graham. Understand your point but wouldn't you want a Graham over a Ross, Castagna, Dow?
Yes which is why I am saying I don’t see Hartley wanting Hopper and Taranto without Graham. We want them as an incremental improvement without losing what we already have there.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on October 01, 2022, 08:16:42 AM
https://www.afl.com.au/news/852894
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 01, 2022, 08:27:17 AM
Well there you go. Hardly seems the club were shopping him and we are all happy to retain him

Bedwetters can calm down now
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 01, 2022, 09:03:57 AM
 :lol

It’s  been a long time coming but an apology to WP may be forthcoming,

Great news especially as your more likely to get a dud with the pick, as we have in recent years, that port would have given us.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 01, 2022, 09:10:39 AM
What a guy! Look forward to what he can produce next year.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2022, 09:27:23 AM
Chutney  :bow

Good to see that there is still loyalty in footy. And alot in this case can be put down to 2 things.

1/ our Club's culture, the bond between our playing group

2/ the quality of the bloke himself

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Gigantor on October 01, 2022, 09:28:55 AM
I’ve just finished reading the “Neil Balme” book and in it he spends some time discussing the effect on the Richmond playing group and the whole club in fact had , the transfer of the whale Roberts to south Melbourne as he was the heart and soul of the place. Now I have no idea if Graham goes or stays but knowing Balmy is still there and probably remembering back to those days , he might have had a part to play in this
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on October 01, 2022, 10:20:52 AM
Glad he's staying and I hope his pre -injury standard in 2022 can become his minimum in 2023, or better yet go to another level, although at his age with 97 games I suspect this is likely to be his peak output unless he does a Jarryd Lyons.

Good on ya Fridge.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on October 01, 2022, 10:53:13 AM
Well there you go. Hardly seems the club were shopping him and we are all happy to retain him

Bedwetters can calm down now

Yep .. the drama queens can chill

And now he’s decided to stay , I’ll ask a question of the panic merchants

If he requested a move to Port , and we honour that request, how on earth would that be impacting on our culture

It’s complete rubbish

It should be the opposite .. we’ve shown we will honour players requests and don’t play hardball

All I wanted was fair value if he left .. somehow that’s frowned upon

People get far too attached to the players .. like Claw said (yep, can’t believe I’m going there), would there be the same mass hysteria if it was Castagna? Not a chance in the world

Graham may be the most fantastic bloke that ever set foot inside Punt Rd , and that might be enough to stretch his value from the B grader he is , to possibly that of a B+

If we received the value of a B+, I would have taken it and ran

The truth is , he will need injuries to get a game .. between Cotchin/Prestia/Hopper, I’m sure the opportunities will come due to injury .. but barring that I can’t see him being best 22, and if he is, it’s by the skin of his teeth

Yet you would think he was a top 5 player with all the panic
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: yandb on October 01, 2022, 11:38:17 AM
Glad he is staying :cheers
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 01, 2022, 12:04:52 PM
Damo I don’t think he’ll only be getting games due to injury. I think the first half of the season especially there will be a fair bit of ins and outs from week to week while the coaching group try to settle on a 22 that provides the best balance with the 2 giants boys coming in. It’s all about balance and finding players to play a role within the overall game plan. It may end up being that jack is important in providing that balance.

Anyway you may be right be the end of the season but I wouldn’t be shocked in the slightest if he lined up in round 1.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on October 01, 2022, 12:47:53 PM
TK , you might be right
He MIGHT sneak into the 20, 21, 22 zone
He wouldn’t be picked ahead of
Prestia
Taranto
Cotchin
Hopper
Martin
Bolton

Won’t be picked on a wing
Won’t be picked as a forward

Can’t see how he’s possibly starting 18

Time will tell .. just my opinion
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Broadsword on October 01, 2022, 12:50:10 PM
Glad he' staying. I will have a beer to celebrate. Love Graham  :rollin  :cheers
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on October 01, 2022, 01:00:33 PM
Will rotate off the bench , our best tagger and covers injuries, happy days
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Broadsword on October 01, 2022, 01:04:00 PM
He's also a Boston Bruin--my team--so this is doubly good news.  :cheers
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on October 01, 2022, 01:16:25 PM
Good that he stayed was never going to be a disaster if he left.

In some ways if he decided to go it would have been good for us in the sense that we will be offering up plenty of picks for Taranto and Hopper and this may well have been a good way to get back into the draft with a decent pick.

Have always been concerned when we don't utilise decent picks in the draft each year. This draft has been touted as a very good one.

The other question of where does he play and in front of who in whatever role remains.

He is not in front of Taranto, Hopper, Prestia Martin, Bolton  Cotchin and Sonsie imo.

Imo he is just too slow to play an outside role and should not get a hb flank or wing role in front of Pickett, McIntosh, Ralphsmith and the other two kids in Brown and Banks.

He should not imo get a game in front of M Rioli and Cumberland as small fwds and on top of that with the midfield depth he is in a contest with Martin and Bolton as well who will definately spend a lot of time forward.

Does he play from the bench? debateable.
Imo Miller or Soldo will play preferably Miller who offers far better flexability and genuine cover if a tall goes down in a game. He  is tracking in the right direction and really should be played as part of long term view

That leaves Cotchin Sonsie, Baker all mids to round out the bench..Thats who i envision he will be in competition with for a spot along with Short and Ross.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 01, 2022, 02:15:52 PM
Not sure where you heard this years draft being touted as a very good one. From what I’ve read it’s being classed as a weaker one with next years draft looming as very strong. However I feel like that’s the narrative every year so who the hell knows anymore.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 01, 2022, 02:18:51 PM
TK , you might be right
He MIGHT sneak into the 20, 21, 22 zone
He wouldn’t be picked ahead of
Prestia
Taranto
Cotchin
Hopper
Martin
Bolton

Won’t be picked on a wing
Won’t be picked as a forward

Can’t see how he’s possibly starting 18

Time will tell .. just my opinion

Yeah if I were to pick my best 22 right now including the 2 giants boys, I must admit I would have graham as 23rd man. But like I said coaches need to find the right balance. We all know what jacks strengths are and if the coaches think we need influx of that, then he’ll come right in.

Also if the past couple years are anything to go by, even if you just rely on injuries to other players to get a spot in the team, your likely to still play 15+ games.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on October 01, 2022, 02:32:14 PM
TK , you might be right
He MIGHT sneak into the 20, 21, 22 zone
He wouldn’t be picked ahead of
Prestia
Taranto
Cotchin
Hopper
Martin
Bolton

Won’t be picked on a wing
Won’t be picked as a forward

Can’t see how he’s possibly starting 18

Time will tell .. just my opinion

Agreed however Prestia and Cotch are certainties to miss games next year.
Dusty likely playing forward more.
Bolton able to play hybrid.
Graham behind them all but likely to get enough midfield time.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Broadsword on October 01, 2022, 03:04:10 PM
Not only will players not play every game, but they won't play every minute of the games they play. That is, it's better to think in terms of midfield ROTATIONS than starting positions on a team sheet. If he can help out with the rotations, that's his spot in the team.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on October 01, 2022, 03:08:51 PM
That article says he rejected a trade to Port doesn't say his staying.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on October 01, 2022, 03:29:22 PM
That article says he rejected a trade to Port doesn't say his staying.

Wonder if the Crows swooped in with a bigger deal?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on October 01, 2022, 03:33:40 PM
The media must be gutted they were wrong again about Richmond :snidegrin.

Good stuff, Jack. The whole point of bringing in two mids was to expand our midfield depth and rotations which we lacked this year. There's also talk of the AFL bringing in five on the bench next year, so there will likely be an extra spot for another mid in our 23.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2022, 06:26:52 PM
That article says he rejected a trade to Port doesn't say his staying.

That's the spirit









 :sarcasm2
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 01, 2022, 06:42:49 PM
You can cut the Chutney crap at this point I reckon, WP.

You and others said he was just in SA to see family. He met with another club and decided it wasn't for him. Fact is he did meet with Hinkley and some of you said that was never on the table.. :shh in his heart it probably never was, but he did his due diligence. Nothing wrong with that and good luck to him in 2023.

Agree with everything Damo said about him battling for midfield time. However, can easily see Dimma throwing him on a flank despite not being suited to the position....:shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 01, 2022, 09:06:38 PM
I reckon port missed out on Dunkley, saw that we were bringing in Taranto and hopper and thought they could lure graham back to SA as he may be squeezed out of the side. They called his manager who passed on the info onto jack and they decided it wouldn’t hurt to tour their training facilities and hear what they had to say. Jack was either unimpressed by their presentation/offer and/or never really considered leaving Richmond and therefore gave port a thanks but no thanks.

No Richmond pushing him out the door or jack actively pursuing a move elsewhere. No harm no foul.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2022, 11:06:02 PM
You can cut the Chutney crap at this point I reckon, WP.


 :help

What are you on about?

Chutney deserves kudos when Chut is on the money.

I am not Chutney if that's what you are suggesting
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on October 01, 2022, 11:10:40 PM
That article says he rejected a trade to Port doesn't say his staying.

That's the spirit









 :sarcasm2

Mate the fact is he met with Port while you suggested no he was there for family and nothing in that article says he decided to stay at Punt Rd all it mentioned he doesn't want to go to Port.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 02, 2022, 04:07:11 AM
^

Thats exactly what I meant by cut the Chutney poo. You were wrong. Your source was wrong if they said he never considered meeting another club.

Don't turn this into people wanting Jack to leave vs people just being open to the idea of getting something decent for him of that's how the cookie was going to crumble
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on October 02, 2022, 08:08:10 AM
Still maintain he may be gone by the end of trade period.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: skiddymcghee on October 02, 2022, 10:38:07 AM
So that would leave Adelaide..... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 02, 2022, 10:51:43 AM
^

Thats exactly what I meant by cut the Chutney poo. You were wrong. Your source was wrong if they said he never considered meeting another club.

Don't turn this into people wanting Jack to leave vs people just being open to the idea of getting something decent for him of that's how the cookie was going to crumble

Calm down

FYI I don't post what Chutney tells me 99% of the time these days.

And from today it will be 100%.

Thanks

 :thumbsup

PS: you are correct there are those who were open to him being traded like you and Damo. That's your view and that's fine

There are those like me who believed it was a mistake for the club to even consider trading him (which they clearly were/are). Again my view / opinion and I'm allowed last time I checked still allowed to have one

Then there are clearly people on the forum who would like him gone as the don't rate him. Again their view

So I'm not ot quite sure why asking a question about how people will feel if he ends ups staying is such a bid deal?

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on October 02, 2022, 11:23:30 AM
This is a team with players who have roles that have no bearing on where Graham should play. No mids are in contention for their spot or roles.
The players and their roles he is up against  are in capitals.


B:   Vlastuin - Tarrant - Grimes/Gibcus
HB; Broad - Balta - Rioli/Banks/Brown/Stack/Mansell 

That pretty much rules him out of the backline.These blokes will be picked as designated defenders or in Banks and Browns case possibly a wing. Clearly the kpp's and talls are not a role he can play and the rest have attributes that he doesn't for the running roles coming out shutdown roles .

C: Pickett - HOPPER - McIntosh/Banks/Brown/Ralphsmith. As stated he is not in front of Hopper' the outside options are far better and have the needed attributes for the roles.
R: Nankervis TARANTO - PRESTIA. Clearly he is not in contention for ruck and Taranto and Prestia are miles in front of him.

HF: BOLTON - Riewoldt - Cumberland. Well Bolton is a part of midfield rotations and a far better player in both fwd and mid roles. Cumberland simply put is a better fwd option. Clearly he cannot play JR role.
FF: MARTIN - Lynch - M Rioli. Dusty as a rotation same as Bolton. Lynchy kpf and Rioli is a designated specialist sml fwd. he is not getting any of their roles nor is he a better option for them.

Miller - COTCHIN - SONSIE - BAKER. Miller as the needed second ruck and third tall fwd option who can offer cover down back as well.
the three mids are your  midfield rotations all are in front of Graham.
Players i have not named who play midfield SHORT, ROSS, RCD who are also in contention for a midfield role.
We can only play so many mids because the specialist roles have to be filled.

Just my opinion but when you take out the specialist roles ie kpp tall fwd/def, running players ie wing hb etc specialist fwd there are only so many midfield spots left including ROTATIONS and he does not get into the 22.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on October 02, 2022, 01:08:10 PM
List clogger now - should Trealor him if he can’t find a club himself
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on October 02, 2022, 01:15:35 PM


PS: you are correct there are those who were open to him being traded like you and Damo. That's your view and that's fine


I’m open to every single player on the list being traded if we get overs

Obviously players like Cotch and JR aren’t relevant before everyone goes crazy .. due to age we would get a half eaten packet of twisties and it’s not worth entertaining

I’d instantly trade Dusty, Lynch, Prestia etc etc if the trade was for the betterment of the team

Does that mean I want any gone , no it doesn’t

With Jack Graham, I , like Claw and multiple others, don’t think he’s best 22. He will play due to injuries and provides great depth as a solid B grader

Of course someone like that is tradable for the right deal .. talks of valuing as a pick 8 were borderline wacko , but by the same token I wouldn’t give him away either

I’m more than happy for him to stay ..

People need to remember trades such as the Judd trade from WC to Carlton .. Worked out ok for the Eagles lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on October 02, 2022, 01:25:25 PM


PS: you are correct there are those who were open to him being traded like you and Damo. That's your view and that's fine


I’m open to every single player on the list being traded if we get overs

Obviously players like Cotch and JR aren’t relevant before everyone goes crazy .. due to age we would get a half eaten packet of twisties and it’s not worth entertaining

I’d instantly trade Dusty, Lynch, Prestia etc etc if the trade was for the betterment of the team

Does that mean I want any gone , no it doesn’t

With Jack Graham, I , like Claw and multiple others, don’t think he’s best 22. He will play due to injuries and provides great depth as a solid B grader

Of course someone like that is tradable for the right deal .. talks of valuing as a pick 8 were borderline wacko , but by the same token I wouldn’t give him away either

I’m more than happy for him to stay ..

People need to remember trades such as the Judd trade from WC to Carlton .. Worked out ok for the Eagles lol

 :clapping

What would you say if Crows offered their P23?

Any interest in Fischer McAsey or whatever his name is?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 02, 2022, 01:50:55 PM
Still maintain he may be gone by the end of trade period.

Page  86 of today's HUN says:

"Richmond hard nut Jack Graham will stay with the Tigers after knocking back interest from Port Adelaide.

Newscorp has confirmed Graham, who toured Port's facilities this week, has told Tiger officials he is locked in for 2023. Graham , 24 is expected to trigger a clause in his contract to take him through to the end of 2024, when he will qualify for free agency.

Graham is a key cog in Richmond's midfield plans, following the arrivals of GWS stars Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto. "
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on October 02, 2022, 01:54:59 PM
Still maintain he may be gone by the end of trade period.

Page  86 of today's HUN says:

"Richmond hard nut Jack Graham will stay with the Tigers after knocking back interest from Port Adelaide.

Newscorp has confirmed Graham, who toured Port's facilities this week, has told Tiger officials he is locked in for 2023. Graham , 24 is expected to trigger a clause in his contract to take him through to the end of 2024, when he will qualify for free agency.

Graham is a key cog in Richmond's midfield plans, following the arrivals of GWS stars Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto. "

Doesn’t seem very accurate

Starting with “arrivals”

Seems very premature
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 02, 2022, 02:22:21 PM
Still maintain he may be gone by the end of trade period.

Page  86 of today's HUN says:

"Richmond hard nut Jack Graham will stay with the Tigers after knocking back interest from Port Adelaide.

Newscorp has confirmed Graham, who toured Port's facilities this week, has told Tiger officials he is locked in for 2023. Graham , 24 is expected to trigger a clause in his contract to take him through to the end of 2024, when he will qualify for free agency.

Graham is a key cog in Richmond's midfield plans, following the arrivals of GWS stars Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto. "

Doesn’t seem very accurate

Starting with “arrivals”

Seems very premature

 ;D

HUN always good for chuckle Damo  ;)

And to compare...

The Age (backpage) says
Headline is

"Port's Tiger hunt fail as Graham stays."

First 2 paragraphs says:

"Richmond midfielder Jack Graham appears set to remain a Tiger next season, hav9ng rejected an offer to join Port Adelaide.

Graham......has since told the Tigers he will not head to Alberton.

Industry source now expect Graham....to be a Tiger next season and remain u till the end of 2024"

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on October 02, 2022, 02:51:21 PM
Damn it! Hoping to see him move on
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 03, 2022, 08:47:59 AM
It seems hard to land this one as I think most are more or less on the same page. To summarise:-

*We all would prefer to have him on our list - 24 yo with 100 games.
*If the right offer came along, most would most likely be open to it
*It’s highly unlikely he’s going to be a first string midfielder with Hopper and Taranto in the team
*He will still be part of our 22 and an important support to our core mids
*He’s not the most versatile player but plays important roles for team
*Is fantastic for team culture/ethos/etc etc
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 03, 2022, 01:55:24 PM
Has Adam Cooney been on another planet over the past 72 hours? :facepalm

How do you trade a player who isn't going anywhere?  ::)

--------------------------------------

Adam Cooney is BACK at the Mega Trade helm!

A nice tasty three-way deal to get things started!


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https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1576718771141906432
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 03, 2022, 02:12:52 PM
Conspiracy theory:

Matt Rendell on SEN reckons Port dumped Graham once they heard Horne-Francis was on the market.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: pmac21 on October 03, 2022, 03:58:08 PM
Conspiracy theory:

Matt Rendell on SEN reckons Port dumped Graham once they heard Horne-Francis was on the market.

I'd say 100% on the money.  First time I've ever agreed with him. 
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 03, 2022, 04:47:13 PM
Conspiracy theory:

Matt Rendell on SEN reckons Port dumped Graham once they heard Horne-Francis was on the market.

I'd say 100% on the money.  First time I've ever agreed with him.

LOL

Kane Cornes said a similar thing just after 9am this morning.

But he said Graham said no to Port once he knew Port's priority was JHF

Kane also said if Port get JHF then it will be the biggest trade in the Club's history or something like that  ;D
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 03, 2022, 06:36:45 PM
HOW PORT’S INTEREST IN HORNE-FRANCIS SPOOKED GRAHAM OUT OF TRADE REQUEST

By Seb Mottram
SEN
3 October 2022


SEN Chief Sports Reporter Sam Edmund believes Jack Graham’s mooted trade to Port Adelaide was destabilised by Jason Horne-Francis’ timeline and was the reason behind the Tiger’s decision to stay.

With Giants duo Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper nominating Richmond in trade requests, 24-year-old Graham – who was unable to consistently break into the Tigers’ best midfield in 2022 – reportedly considered a trade away from Tigerland.

Port Adelaide was noticeably at least one midfielder short in 2022, and as Edmund explains, a trade to the Power made sense for both player and club.

“(Port Adelaide) desperately wanted another midfielder in. They went for Josh Dunkley, they missed, and then they went for Jack Graham,” Edmund told AFL Trade Radio’s Trade Afternoons.

“Now Jack Graham is contracted for another couple of years at Richmond. From what I’ve been told he wasn’t desperate to leave, it was simply that if another suitor came with an offer appealing enough… he would consider it.

“With Taranto and Hopper coming in, (Graham) wants that guaranteed midfield time, from South Australia, so Port Adelaide reach out.”

Graham was captured by TV cameras landing in Adelaide on Wednesday and touring Port Adelaide’s facilities which is understood to have unsettled the Tiger.

Edmund says Graham was given certainty by Port Adelaide that he was a priority, but the Power’s understanding Horne-Francis would request a trade upset the Graham trade.

Graham is reported to have informed Richmond he was staying at the club on Friday, two days before the news broke that Horne-Francis has requested a trade.

“The way these conversations work out… the player like that is reluctant to put their head above water and expose themselves as potentially wanting to move unless they’re given as much assurance as they possibly can (from the club), ‘we’ll get this deal done, we’re committed to you, you are a priority’. Jack Graham had all these assurances,” Edmund continued.

“They get over there, the cameras are waiting at the airport, the cameras are at the ground, he's filmed walking with Ken Hinkley, the cat is well and truly out of the bag. The meeting goes very well, the tour goes very well, there’s a pick earmarked, a second rounder, it looks like it’s going to get done.

“Then the Jack Graham camp perhaps grow a little bit suspicious, the Port camp have gone a little bit quiet… (Port say) ‘we might not be able to get the deal done’.

“Then it becomes clear (on Sunday night)... that Jason Horne-Francis is on the hook.

“It’s a ruthless business, isn’t it?”

Port GM of football Chris Davies insinuated the media attention wasn't appreciated by Graham and admitted the Horne-Francis trade was more of a priority.

When asked who initiated the trade on AFL Trade Radio’s Trade Afternoons Davies replied: “I think it’s fair to suggest the media around Jack making the decision to stay at Richmond was the right decision for him and ultimately probably the right decision for us considering we need to keep the draft capital that we have in order to prioritise Jason Horne-Francis coming to the club.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/03/how-ports-interest-in-horne-francis-spooked-graham-out-of-trade-request/
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on October 03, 2022, 10:58:27 PM
Im one who has held his fire on JH-F but he is a player i have always thought over hyped. There is just something nagging away at me about him.
Most likely will have to eat my words but i don't think he is the player most think he is.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 04, 2022, 01:57:21 AM
Conspiracy theory:

Matt Rendell on SEN reckons Port dumped Graham once they heard Horne-Francis was on the market.

I'd say 100% on the money.  First time I've ever agreed with him.

Ports football manager said on trade radio that Jack turned them down not the other way around.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 04, 2022, 02:19:43 PM
"I wouldn't close the door completely on Jack Graham leaving Richmond just yet." - Sam Edmund

https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1577136121678467072

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 04, 2022, 02:49:20 PM
UPDATE - HOW PORT’S INTEREST IN HORNE-FRANCIS SPOOKED GRAHAM OUT OF TRADE REQUEST

Stephen Silvagni has added to the understanding that Port Adelaide was the party to move away from the deal for Tiger Jack Graham, furthering Sam Edmund’s report.

Edmund reported on Monday that after learning of Jason Horne-Francis’ interest in returning to Port Adelaide and subsequent doubts if a trade would occur, Graham pulled the plug on a potential trade and informed Richmond he would stay at Tigerland, which was reported on Saturday.

Silvagni accepts the Power had to do what’s best for their club but the former Blues list manager believes Graham’s management should be “bitterly disappointed” with their call to have Graham tour Port Adelaide.

The 24-year-old Tiger was captured by TV cameras touring Alberton, putting his interest in the club on the record.

“My understanding is that he was a priority for them, but that changed tack, which I can understand from a football club’s point of view,” Silvagni told AFL Trade Radio’s The Late Trade.

“If I’m a management group I’d be bitterly disappointed knowing that I put my player through that situation and all of a sudden he’s keen to get there and all of a sudden they’ve changed tact.

“That happens because the football club has got to do the best thing for the club.”

Former Collingwood recruiter Matt Rendell shared a similar sentiment.

Speaking later on The Late Trade, Rendell said: “They (Port) speak to him (Horne-Francis) last week and they speak to Jack Graham. My belief is they told Jack Graham they were also speaking to Horne-Francis, and Jack Graham must have gone, ‘ah, I better go back to Richmond’.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/03/how-ports-interest-in-horne-francis-spooked-graham-out-of-trade-request/
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 05, 2022, 02:04:41 AM
John Doe late mail before he signs off
1. J Bowes set to publicly state intention to move to Geelong as first reported here over two weeks ago
2. J Graham told by Tiger they want his money out
3. Eagle after Georgiadis or Marshall for Rioli
4. Sava to Pear now close #AFLTrade

https://twitter.com/ontheinner/status/1577278516827410432
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Gigantor on October 05, 2022, 07:49:17 AM
That is a very odd way to phrase something . They want his money out? So that means jack too? Or is he separate from his money?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerLand on October 05, 2022, 08:21:52 PM
John Doe works for one of the player managers. His mIl is very good.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 06, 2022, 11:47:13 AM
Sam Edmund just now:

Graham was dumped by Port Adelaide. Not the other way around.

Graham had agreed to a trade and contract details with Port.

Still could be traded if another club was interested and came up with the appropriate deal but there isn't. Adelaide unlikely as clubs don't like to revisit a player after being told they prefer another club (Graham preferred Port).
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 06, 2022, 12:13:23 PM
You’d think after putting this onto the port footy boss and being told multiple times that it was jack who turned down port sammy would give up this story but I guess not.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on October 06, 2022, 12:59:34 PM
Sam Edmund just now:

Graham was dumped by Port Adelaide. Not the other way around.

Graham had agreed to a trade and contract details with Port.

Still could be traded if another club was interested and came up with the appropriate deal but there isn't. Adelaide unlikely as clubs don't like to revisit a player after being told they prefer another club (Graham preferred Port).

Port just confirming they are a bunch of campaigners.  Who the f would want to go to them now if thats how they treat players?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on October 06, 2022, 02:23:48 PM
Sam Edmund just now:

Graham was dumped by Port Adelaide. Not the other way around.

Graham had agreed to a trade and contract details with Port.

Still could be traded if another club was interested and came up with the appropriate deal but there isn't. Adelaide unlikely as clubs don't like to revisit a player after being told they prefer another club (Graham preferred Port).

Bollocks.

Crows would still be keen for sloppy seconds. Any club would be to improve their list.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 06, 2022, 02:37:51 PM
So we have 3 journos saying Graham said no to Port (Ralph & Clark from the HUN and Prierk from the Age) and one Edmund who is saying  Port said no to Graham

Don't think the odds are somehow in Sammy Edmund's favour

Oki doki then  ::)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerLand on October 06, 2022, 04:19:01 PM
Sam is a muppet. Not relevant at all.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on October 06, 2022, 10:49:48 PM
would have been happy to get Taranto,Hopper keep 31 and get 27 for Graham. A bit of the best of both worlds two gun mids in!!!!  two pretty decent picks, STOP AND THINK PEOPLE we have  Sonsie at 28 and a few years ago Bolton at 29. If they are good at their jobs you will benefit from any draft.

Besides Sonsie 28, Bolton 29 and we now have 30 good things come in three's don't they.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 06, 2022, 11:29:58 PM
I’d rather keep him and go full tilt for the flag next season with a list that bats 26-30 deep. At the end of next season we’ll likely see jack, cotch and Tarrant retire. If as some people believe he will struggle to maintain a spot in our 22 next season then we can always revisit a trade at the end of next. I just don’t see his value at the trade table being significantly less next year than it is now. Most will agree he’s worth an early-mid second rounder and I don’t see that changing next year.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 10, 2022, 04:46:27 PM
"Jack's a quality young man, but haven't gone into too much thought there. Izak was the focus for what we want to achieve, I know he's contracted at Richmond so I think that is where it will sit."

- Adelaide list manager Justin Reid on Jack Graham

https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1579343477376421889
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on October 12, 2022, 12:14:35 AM
Reckon Graham was looking at a chance to play more midfield time by moving. Players are not stupid and i reckon Jack could see the writing on the wall with Hopper and Taranto coming along with Sonsie looking every bit a good thing. Just think for his own sake he should have bit the bullet and made the move.

At the end of the day its not about how nice you are if everyone is nice its about the pecking order and how high you are rated.

As it pans out happy to have a great clubman and solid player stay at the club but he is going to struggle to get a game unless injuries hit us.
Imo he Ross Baker and Short are all now going to be in a dog fight to even get a game. Yes i know people will laugh at that assertion so be it.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 12, 2022, 01:16:10 PM
Blair Hartley on Trade Radio said Graham did explore his options and looked around because he wants more midfield time, but he was never really going to move. Jack is keen to work hard.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 12, 2022, 03:08:57 PM
A selection squeeze could be on at the Tigs

Richmond's significant boost to its midfield through the acquisition of both Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto could leave Jack Graham fighting for opportunities after choosing to stay.

But Tigers' list boss Blair Hartley said the role played by the 24-year-old was a valuable one.   

"Jack at his best has shown that he can play as a midfielder, as a high work-rate, high pressure midfielder who causes turnover and gut runs both ways," Hartley said.

"There's always a position on the ground for those sorts of guys.

"The position in the midfield is up for grabs and he's got to put his best foot forward, which he's spoken about pretty openly with us."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/856737/trade-talk-live-o-meara-call-imminent-tigers-thrilled-to-keep-soldo
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on October 12, 2022, 06:37:35 PM
Graham should have been Trealor'd - not a best 22 player anymore and has some value to get back into the draft
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 12, 2022, 10:39:54 PM
Richmond GM Blair Hartley said the club supported Graham in his decision to look at a move, before deciding to remain with the Tigers.

"Jack’s contracted with us for next year. He sees two midfielders come in and he's looking for more midfield time himself and he's well within his rights to look around,” Hartley said on Wednesday night.

"We supported him in that, but we made it clear we wanted him to stay. Like all things during this period, these discussions do take place.

"We’re rapt to have Jack back with us; he’s a Richmond man. I spoke to Jack throughout the whole thing."

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1236826/richmond-thrilled-to-retain-flag-duo
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on October 13, 2022, 10:22:18 AM
Wake up, call for me. he needs to do more and add more strings to his game.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 13, 2022, 01:27:52 PM
I’d say Hartley has nailed it.
FWIW, I am thinking and hoping that the expansion of the bench means we go deeper with our rotations and on that basis Jack Graham is super important to that structure. Even moreso if we finally bite the bullet and start shadowing oppo gun mids. Our lack of defence on Lachie Neale was flat out embarrassing at times. Joe Daniher didn’t win them the game, it was Dimma in the coaches box by not applying a clamp on him. Jack Graham was doing that in GF’s in 2017, I’m sure he can get back to that.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: pmac21 on October 13, 2022, 01:32:38 PM
Injury free I would back him into having a good year and being a senior regular. 
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Broadsword on October 13, 2022, 01:35:11 PM
From what I can gather, Graham has the ability to impact more contests than any other Richmond player because of his running capacity. It's his one wood. Once he gets back to full fitness we'll see him playing to his strengths again. Taking away his endurance and stamina is like taking away Rioli's speed.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 13, 2022, 07:35:52 PM
Barrett said St Kilda attempted to get Graham after it fell through with Port. Graham immediately said no  :lol.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/856855/listen-trade-period-s-big-winners-ex-hawk-s-level-of-hurt-
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on October 13, 2022, 09:19:46 PM
Barrett said St Kilda attempted to get Graham after it fell through with Port. Graham immediately said no  :lol.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/856855/listen-trade-period-s-big-winners-ex-hawk-s-level-of-hurt-

Lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on October 14, 2022, 02:31:39 PM
From Barrett's Sliding Doors column:

(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2020/11/17/8a4c2df0-2497-41a0-85ac-8cab8feed48a/richmond.jpg?width=952)

IF ...
Jacob Hopper was given a seven-season deal to come to the Tigers ...

THEN ...
I can only wonder what Jack Graham truly thinks of that. Very similar exposed form.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/856856/if-the-best-grand-final-player-gets-the-norm-smith-medal-then
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerLand on October 14, 2022, 04:23:03 PM
As much as I love Graham I disagree with that 100%.

Hopper was nearly All Aus.

Jack has been in and out of our team at various points.

Have to say when Graham is at his best his best is probably equal to Hopper. But his consistency and probably body health lacks a bit.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on October 14, 2022, 05:18:16 PM
Hopper is streets ahead of Graham.

Graham also got a 4 year deal last time (3 + trigger) so it's not like he's living week to week.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 14, 2022, 06:00:40 PM
I'm the last person to defend Barrett

But read what he wrote. He chose his words very carefully

He said "exposed form" not career form.

Very sneaky of Mr  Barrett
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 14, 2022, 06:28:54 PM
I don’t know what ‘exposed form’ means but anyway you look at it I don’t think graham and hoppers careers to date are comparable. If you nitpick their top 5-10 games or look at career avg hopper will come out comfortably ahead. You could argue that jack has sacrificed his own personal game for team success and that the giants mostly played as a group of individuals.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on October 15, 2022, 01:29:30 AM
Sheesh no wonder the media have credability problems. Comparing Graham and Hopper is laughable.
FFS Jack Graham has not done a whole heap to warrant such adulation.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on October 15, 2022, 09:56:08 AM
I'm not convinced either should have been traded.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: 1965 on October 15, 2022, 11:29:00 AM
I'm not convinced either he should of Ben traded.

Pardon.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on October 15, 2022, 11:52:48 AM
Graham, has played some very good games but lacks  consistency , he might have been playing injured and lacking the fitness that is his main weapon.
He can be in our best if he gets it right
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on October 15, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
Solid b grader
Not best 22

But there is always injuries and he’s a fantastic next man up and sits in the 24-28 range of the list

Just my opinion
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on October 15, 2022, 12:32:07 PM
Solid b grader
Not best 22

But there is always injuries and he’s a fantastic next man up and sits in the 24-28 range of the list

Just my opinion


My goodness- finished 2nd in the B&F in 2021 and played this year with a toe issue which hampered his running ability. Best 22 player everyday of the week :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on October 15, 2022, 02:18:45 PM
Solid b grader
Not best 22

But there is always injuries and he’s a fantastic next man up and sits in the 24-28 range of the list

Just my opinion


My goodness- finished 2nd in the B&F in 2021 and played this year with a toe issue which hampered his running ability. Best 22 player everyday of the week :shh

He most definitely isn’t best 22 “every day of the week” in my opinion .. so you can spare me the my goodness

Deadset , you are either Jack Graham or his best mate .. oh hang on you can’t be , I forgot the Adelaide trip you told us all about and was wrong about

Side note , last 6 “best 22” sides posted in that thread have the following -

Graham as emergency or out of side x 4
Graham on bench x 1
Graham on bench if extended to 5 x 1

So yeah , go somewhere else for a my goodness and apologise for my assessment of 24-28 on the list , which most clearly agree with
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on October 15, 2022, 02:54:19 PM
Solid b grader
Not best 22

But there is always injuries and he’s a fantastic next man up and sits in the 24-28 range of the list

Just my opinion


My goodness- finished 2nd in the B&F in 2021 and played this year with a toe issue which hampered his running ability. Best 22 player everyday of the week :shh

He most definitely isn’t best 22 “every day of the week” in my opinion .. so you can spare me the my goodness

Deadset , you are either Jack Graham or his best mate .. oh hang on you can’t be , I forgot the Adelaide trip you told us all about and was wrong about

Side note , last 6 “best 22” sides posted in that thread have the following -

Graham as emergency or out of side x 4
Graham on bench x 1
Graham on bench if extended to 5 x 1

So yeah , go somewhere else for a my goodness and apologise for my assessment of 24-28 on the list , which most clearly agree with


Damo just for you....my goodness!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on October 15, 2022, 03:17:01 PM
His inside game is miles behind Hopper we went after Hopper and Taranto for a reason.

Reckon just about everyone agrees Jack is a solid player but he is now definately behind 7 other mids the same can be said for Baker and Short.
Imo the three are behind Cotchin, Martin, Prestia, Bolton, Hopper, Taranto and while its early days Sonsie looks a real beaut who has to be played and brings something different to the three mentioned.

The bottom line is you cannot field a team of mids there are specialist positions that just have to be filled and because of that some favorites will struggle to get a game.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 15, 2022, 03:42:10 PM
Solid b grader
Not best 22

But there is always injuries and he’s a fantastic next man up and sits in the 24-28 range of the list

Just my opinion


My goodness- finished 2nd in the B&F in 2021 and played this year with a toe issue which hampered his running ability. Best 22 player everyday of the week :shh

He most definitely isn’t best 22 “every day of the week” in my opinion .. so you can spare me the my goodness

Deadset , you are either Jack Graham or his best mate .. oh hang on you can’t be , I forgot the Adelaide trip you told us all about and was wrong about

Side note , last 6 “best 22” sides posted in that thread have the following -

Graham as emergency or out of side x 4
Graham on bench x 1
Graham on bench if extended to 5 x 1

So yeah , go somewhere else for a my goodness and apologise for my assessment of 24-28 on the list , which most clearly agree with


Damo just for you....my goodness!
aren't you the bloke that pulled out a speed gun and clocked Graham running at 37ks per hour to prove he's not slow

My goodness
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on October 15, 2022, 03:53:45 PM
Solid b grader
Not best 22

But there is always injuries and he’s a fantastic next man up and sits in the 24-28 range of the list

Just my opinion


My goodness- finished 2nd in the B&F in 2021 and played this year with a toe issue which hampered his running ability. Best 22 player everyday of the week :shh

He most definitely isn’t best 22 “every day of the week” in my opinion .. so you can spare me the my goodness

Deadset , you are either Jack Graham or his best mate .. oh hang on you can’t be , I forgot the Adelaide trip you told us all about and was wrong about

Side note , last 6 “best 22” sides posted in that thread have the following -

Graham as emergency or out of side x 4
Graham on bench x 1
Graham on bench if extended to 5 x 1

So yeah , go somewhere else for a my goodness and apologise for my assessment of 24-28 on the list , which most clearly agree with


Damo just for you....my goodness!
aren't you the bloke that pulled out a speed gun and clocked Graham running at 37ks per hour to prove he's not slow

My goodness


Yes- I am the bloke who confirmed his top end speed is elite which is supported by data. Yep- that's me :thumbsup
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on October 15, 2022, 03:54:45 PM
Solid b grader
Not best 22

But there is always injuries and he’s a fantastic next man up and sits in the 24-28 range of the list

Just my opinion


My goodness- finished 2nd in the B&F in 2021 and played this year with a toe issue which hampered his running ability. Best 22 player everyday of the week :shh

He most definitely isn’t best 22 “every day of the week” in my opinion .. so you can spare me the my goodness

Deadset , you are either Jack Graham or his best mate .. oh hang on you can’t be , I forgot the Adelaide trip you told us all about and was wrong about

Side note , last 6 “best 22” sides posted in that thread have the following -

Graham as emergency or out of side x 4
Graham on bench x 1
Graham on bench if extended to 5 x 1

So yeah , go somewhere else for a my goodness and apologise for my assessment of 24-28 on the list , which most clearly agree with


Damo just for you....my goodness!
aren't you the bloke that pulled out a speed gun and clocked Graham running at 37ks per hour to prove he's not slow

My goodness

 :snidegrin :snidegrin :snidegrin

Yep
His acceleration and burst speed are slow as treacle
The guy is a gut runner with high speed when rolling

Something Machine could never get his head around
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: lamington on October 17, 2022, 12:27:13 PM
I rate Graham and hope he can find his way back in the team. The comments of Graham is a b grader and hopper’s career is miles ahead is laughable.

Hopper could only dream of kicking 3 goals in a GF and being as influential as he was in 2017 and 2019 campaigns. I’ll keep coming back to this and won’t stop flogging it because it’s a show of character which you can’t put a price on. He played with one arm against Geelong and still was laying tackles and left nothing in the tank to get the team over the line. All gws boys can learn a thing from Graham in regards to being a team player.

Where I do agree is hopper is miles ahead is contested ball and actually getting his hands on the ball. But Graham has shown that when he does get his hands on it he is a good user as also a pretty decent kick at goal as well.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on October 17, 2022, 01:00:52 PM
Wow
Didn’t realise being called a solid B grader was an insult

Seriously , you realise they aren’t all A graders don’t you ??

As for the Hopper v Graham comparisons .. there’s a reason the club went so hard after Hopper .. he’s a better player , end of story

And as for my opinion of Graham, I can’t see how me saying he falls in the 24-28 bracket is some massive insult on the guy , I rate him as a good tough honest footballer .. he was CLEARLY available during trade period , that can’t be denied … did we necessarily want to offload? I’m not saying that , but he was available .. clubs obviously didn’t come hard for him like they would have if he was better than a B grader

If Graham was an A grader then there would have been more interest
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on October 17, 2022, 01:13:42 PM
Graham should have been traded.  He'll be worth stuff all next year after spending most of the year in the VFL.

St Kilda came for him at the end of the trade period and we didn't respond.   Bloody hopeless
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: lamington on October 17, 2022, 01:20:20 PM
Oh my rant was directed at any particular post but more so my feelings on him as a clubman and that I’m quite enamoured by what he has done for the club.

Re: st kilda, I heard the story that it was Graham himself who declined to join that cultural sess pool.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 17, 2022, 01:36:18 PM
Graham should have been traded.  He'll be worth stuff all next year after spending most of the year in the VFL.

St Kilda came for him at the end of the trade period and we didn't respond.   Bloody hopeless

What was the great offer you think we were getting for graham this year that is going to drop so much next season? By all accounts we were going to get a mid second rounder. That isn’t going to change significantly if he wants to leave again next season. Bobby hill went for a second rounder and he missed half the season.

Graham will play plenty next season. Even for those (me included) who don’t think he’s a walk up start in the 22/23, he’s pretty much the next in line if injuries/form force others out which will undoubtably occur.
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Post by: Damo on October 17, 2022, 01:38:48 PM
Graham should have been traded.  He'll be worth stuff all next year after spending most of the year in the VFL.

St Kilda came for him at the end of the trade period and we didn't respond.   Bloody hopeless

What was the great offer you think we were getting for graham this year that is going to drop so much next season? By all accounts we were going to get a mid second rounder. That isn’t going to change significantly if he wants to leave again next season. Bobby hill went for a second rounder and he missed half the season.

Graham will play plenty next season. Even for those (me included) who don’t think he’s a walk up start in the 22/23, he’s pretty much the next in line if injuries/form force others out which will undoubtably occur.

Agree with this
He will get plenty of opportunities

There will obviously be injuries .. he provides great depth .. fantastic 24-28 bloke , in fact is one of the better depth players in the competition

We run VERY VERY deep next year .. good spot to be in
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Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 17, 2022, 03:12:16 PM
It feels like I'm  in 2003 where you can't have a realistic view of a player because you're going to upset some coterie member that fawns over good blokes.

No one has insulted Jack Graham this entire time and almost everyone acknowledges he's a decent footballer.
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Post by: Damo on October 17, 2022, 11:46:58 PM
It feels like I'm  in 2003 where you can't have a realistic view of a player because you're going to upset some coterie member that fawns over good blokes.

No one has insulted Jack Graham this entire time and almost everyone acknowledges he's a decent footballer.

Truth
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Post by: Broadsword on October 18, 2022, 12:59:58 AM
All we had back then was the passion to fawn over the odd good player. Those were dark days. Ever so dark.
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Post by: Willy on October 18, 2022, 01:05:22 PM
"I dont want to put too much pressure on the kid but i think Cleve Hughes could be the next Richo, or possibly better....  :shh !"


 :lol
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 18, 2022, 10:48:05 PM
Wow
Didn’t realise being called a solid B grader was an insult

Seriously , you realise they aren’t all A graders don’t you ??

As for the Hopper v Graham comparisons .. there’s a reason the club went so hard after Hopper .. he’s a better player , end of story

And as for my opinion of Graham, I can’t see how me saying he falls in the 24-28 bracket is some massive insult on the guy , I rate him as a good tough honest footballer .. he was CLEARLY available during trade period , that can’t be denied … did we necessarily want to offload? I’m not saying that , but he was available .. clubs obviously didn’t come hard for him like they would have if he was better than a B grader

If Graham was an A grader then there would have been more interest

I agree with this entire post with the exception of his rating as a 24-28 player. That kinda implies the starting 22 are all A graders which they are not.
I think he can play as role but the reality is that it will be as a back up mid who still has the potential to step up another level. If we chose the have a run with mid, he would be perfect.
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Post by: the claw on October 18, 2022, 11:16:34 PM
If he is a 24 to 28 player then he will most likely play in the two's in an on ball role along side Soldo and Ross.
From there he will have to force a mid  out of the seniors by playing well. Just like the expectations on all the kids.
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Post by: one-eyed on November 17, 2022, 08:41:52 PM
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Post by: the claw on November 20, 2022, 12:04:49 PM
Wow
Didn’t realise being called a solid B grader was an insult

Seriously , you realise they aren’t all A graders don’t you ??

As for the Hopper v Graham comparisons .. there’s a reason the club went so hard after Hopper .. he’s a better player , end of story

And as for my opinion of Graham, I can’t see how me saying he falls in the 24-28 bracket is some massive insult on the guy , I rate him as a good tough honest footballer .. he was CLEARLY available during trade period , that can’t be denied … did we necessarily want to offload? I’m not saying that , but he was available .. clubs obviously didn’t come hard for him like they would have if he was better than a B grader

If Graham was an A grader then there would have been more interest

I agree with this entire post with the exception of his rating as a 24-28 player. That kinda implies the starting 22 are all A graders which they are not.
I think he can play as role but the reality is that it will be as a back up mid who still has the potential to step up another level. If we chose the have a run with mid, he would be perfect.

not sure how you think him not being best 22 implies the starting 22 are all A graders.

We dont have a lot of A graders what we have is players who perform a role well within the team.

For me its simple who is he a better mid than.
Who is he a better fwd than
Who is he a better defender than.

When we answer those questions honestly then yes he is outside our best 22.

Reckon just about everyone would agree he is a mid or he can be played fwd.

Atm every day of the week Martin, Cotchin, Prestia, Bolton, Hopper, Taranto and Sonsie are better options or in Sonsies case a more likely option. You then imo have Baker, Short, Ross and Graham as other midfield options.

He is in just as big a fight for a fwd line spot with  Cumberland, M Rioli established forwards and Bolton, Martin and Taranto rotating thru there.

His trouble is while he is a very solid player he is behind  players who currently perform his role better.
You know i know we all know There are not 22 roles and spots for him there are limited roles and spots that he can perform.

While i think we have a very good midfield group im still concerned with the actual overall numbers. We currently cannot mirror what we do in the seniors with seconds players. I think we are light on for three mids and a still need two or three tall  fwds as priorities.
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Post by: camboon on November 20, 2022, 12:17:54 PM
I see him as a gut running forward flank, similar to the role ( yes role player) that Lambert played, he has a big engine and  has enough speed  when on the move. He will defiantly have to fight for a spot and who knows with improvement , injuries and form he may be a first 22 player
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Post by: Andyy on November 20, 2022, 01:45:36 PM
Wow
Didn’t realise being called a solid B grader was an insult

Seriously , you realise they aren’t all A graders don’t you ??

As for the Hopper v Graham comparisons .. there’s a reason the club went so hard after Hopper .. he’s a better player , end of story

And as for my opinion of Graham, I can’t see how me saying he falls in the 24-28 bracket is some massive insult on the guy , I rate him as a good tough honest footballer .. he was CLEARLY available during trade period , that can’t be denied … did we necessarily want to offload? I’m not saying that , but he was available .. clubs obviously didn’t come hard for him like they would have if he was better than a B grader

If Graham was an A grader then there would have been more interest

I agree with this entire post with the exception of his rating as a 24-28 player. That kinda implies the starting 22 are all A graders which they are not.
I think he can play as role but the reality is that it will be as a back up mid who still has the potential to step up another level. If we chose the have a run with mid, he would be perfect.

Nah lots of B graders ahead of him purely due to positional needs.

If they increase bench to 5 I think he's best 23 or close enough.

Don't see us playing Soldo if Nank is fit and we have Balta + Miller in the side to relieve the ruck. Of course that's provided all of Gibcus, Tarrant, Grimes, Broad, Balta are playing in the backline.

I think Miller should be forward/ruck relief and Balta back/ruck relief.
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Post by: one-eyed on February 20, 2023, 02:41:21 PM
How Dimma's 'dad' joke broke ice after Graham's Power trip

Damien Hardwick and Jack Graham quickly broke the ice after the Tiger met with Port Adelaide last year

By Riley Beveridge
afl.com.au
20 February 2023


LUCKILY for Damien Hardwick and Jack Graham, they had a decent icebreaker.

Graham endured a whirlwind 48 hours last October, when the dual Richmond premiership player was spotted arriving in South Australia and touring Port Adelaide's facilities as interest grew in his future during the Trade Period.

Still contracted at Punt Road, essentially for the next two seasons thanks to an easily reachable clause in the deal he signed back in 2020, Graham's visit to Alberton came amid a period when the Tigers were closing on moves for midfield pair Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper from Greater Western Sydney.

Graham's meeting with senior Port Adelaide officials came on the Wednesday afternoon. But by the Friday night, as revealed by AFL.com.au, Graham had informed the Power that he wished to stay in the yellow and black and wouldn't be seeking a trade.

Such a high-profile situation, coming within a time of year when the spotlight is brighter than ever and nerves are frayed across the entire football industry, could have otherwise led to some awkwardness upon his return. In this case, though, the opposite was true.

"We did have a really good laugh actually," Hardwick told AFL.com.au.

"Jack said at the airport that he was going to visit his parents and then he got caught at Port Adelaide. I said, 'I didn't know Ken was your dad!' We did have a laugh. He's a stellar guy and we're glad he stayed, because he's such an important player to us."

Graham's interest in pursuing the potential of a move to Port Adelaide, despite being contracted through to 2024, was indicative of the modern market where more players are hitting the trade table than ever before.

Richmond itself claimed Hopper last October, despite the midfielder still having one season to run on his contract with Greater Western Sydney.

According to Hardwick, clubs and players are becoming more understanding of that type of situation.

"I love Jack and our footy club loves Jack. But if Jack wants to have an opportunity to look somewhere else, we understand that. That's the nature of the game. We will never hold that against our players," the Tigers coach said.

"If our players feel they've got a better opportunity to play at another club, or in a position that they want to play, then we won't stand in their way. Certainly, there has to be adequate compensation coming back the other way. Jack is a very, very good player. But we were up front and honest. We had the conversation."

The addition of Taranto and Hopper will enable Richmond to become more flexible with how it divides its midfield minutes in season 2023, with Graham one of a number of players facing the prospect of less time in the engine room.

But the Tigers don't anticipate Graham's onball numbers being squeezed significantly due to their busy Trade Period, with Hardwick of the belief that the 24-year-old will remain an integral part of the club's midfield future.

"(His role) won't change too much," Hardwick said.

"He's really good value going through the midfield, but he's also good value across half-forward as well. He's a really important transitional piece for us that we feel can help us in a number of areas of our game, both offensively and defensively. His role won't change drastically. But he certainly will add to our talent pool as well."

Taranto and Hopper's arrival will mean a new role for former captain Trent Cotchin this season, though. Having signed a one-year deal late last year to extend his time at Punt Road into a 16th season, the 32-year-old has been training as a forward this summer.

Cotchin is likely to still enjoy short spurts through the midfield, but Richmond believes he will add another exciting element to an attack that already features key-position threats like Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt, as well as dynamic options such as Dustin Martin and Shai Bolton.

"Trent's playing forward. But he came back from injury in the back-end of last year, probably for the last six or seven weeks, and he played a similar role. It's not going to be too dissimilar to what he's already done," Hardwick said.

"What we found was that he played an incredible brand of footy when he came back and played that role. You'll go and have a look at his numbers and they were quite impressive. From an impact point of view, we really enjoyed the aspect that he brought in that part of the game.

"We'll explore that a little bit more, then it obviously allows us to put more players through the middle of the ground. Jayden Short took a really big step forward, Jack Graham will come through the midfield, then we've got young developing Tyler Sonsie as well.

"We're really excited about it. What we have to do is continually evolve as a side and make sure we've got the right pieces in the right roles. That's our challenge as a coaching group moving forward."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/875465/how-dimma-s-dad-joke-broke-ice-after-graham-s-power-trip
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on March 16, 2023, 10:44:39 PM
Didn’t think he was best 22 and certainly not so without any match sim during preseason, but thought he was one of our better players today. Other than his poor kicks inside 50 but he had plentyyyyy of company in that regard.
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Post by: Willy on March 16, 2023, 10:45:17 PM
Our best tackler by a mile.

Deserves his spot.
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Post by: FooffooValve on March 16, 2023, 10:47:57 PM
Close to BOG for us tonight.
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Post by: the claw on March 16, 2023, 10:54:17 PM
Absolutely as slow as treacle and thats why he has to tackle so much always late to the contest.

Yes he sure had some good moments but really.

Lol at Ross being the sub as well when we have so many bigger mids now what was the reasoning.

Still too many below par players skill wise and we continue to play favorites in roles at the detriment of better players in those roles. Why?  for no other reason they are the coaches long term favorites.

How the hell did Short get a game and from what i can gather how has he avoided criticism again.
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Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on March 16, 2023, 10:54:28 PM
Disposal will hopefully improve with more match fitness but his tackling and intensity were great
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on March 16, 2023, 11:59:53 PM
Looked gassed but fought and tackled well
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Broadsword on March 17, 2023, 12:05:12 AM
Most time on ground of all mids from both teams. 88%. Runs all day. He has a serious tank.
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Post by: WilliamPowell on March 17, 2023, 12:06:12 AM
Absolutely as slow as treacle and thats why he has to tackle so much always late to the contest.


Yes I thought his chase down of Saad highlighted how slow he is.

It was like treacle versus honey if we are being honest
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Post by: Damo on March 17, 2023, 12:12:52 AM
Absolutely as slow as treacle and thats why he has to tackle so much always late to the contest.


Yes I thought his chase down of Saad highlighted how slow he is.

It was like treacle versus honey if we are being honest

Rubbish
He is slow

The run down was the angle , not from making ground
At one stage McGovern ran past Graham like he was a statue

He’s got no burst pace , zero

Big heart though , I’ll give him that .. dude is a warrior
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Post by: TigerLand on March 17, 2023, 12:23:04 AM
I'm not bothered by his pace. Love him in the side
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Post by: Tigeritis™©® on March 17, 2023, 01:31:23 AM
I'm not bothered by his pace. Love him in the side
x2
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Post by: one-eyed on March 17, 2023, 03:49:17 AM
Graham's numbers last night:

20 disposals (11k, 9h, 9c, 11u, 70% eff.)
1 mark
9 tackles (1 F50 tackle)
2 clearances
5 inside 50s
4 intercepts
283 metres gained
5 score involvements
2 behinds
3 frees for
2 frees against
88% time on ground
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Post by: one-eyed on March 18, 2023, 08:13:15 PM
Of Graham's 9 tackles, five of them came in the last term.

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It was Graham at his pressure-packed best, much to the delight of his coach Damien Hardwick, who commended him on his efforts over the course of the four quarters.

“I thought Jack was terrific,” Hardwick said in his post-match press conference.

“He could have played in our VFL (practice match) last week and the week previous, but we thought we’d get some more training into him.

“I thought he was great tonight with his pressure.

“He probably left a couple of goals on the table that he would normally kick, but with match practice that will come.”

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1284548/graham-brings-the-heat-on-opening-night
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on March 19, 2023, 10:45:04 AM
Agreed. A much better version of a small/medium forward who applies pressure
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Post by: WilliamPowell on March 19, 2023, 01:24:15 PM
Agreed. A much better version of a small/medium forward who applies pressure

Makes the Mansell selection all the more puzzling.

Graham also looked likely to kick a goal or two.

With Graham playing the defensive pressure forward role as well as he did then it should allow Cumberland to come in
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Post by: Tigeritis™©® on March 19, 2023, 07:48:48 PM
Graham is almost certainly the first players name I would put on the team sheet every week.

Just a heart an soul player. I am so glad he stayed with us and didn’t go back to Adelaide.
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Post by: one-eyed on March 28, 2023, 05:56:47 AM
100 games for Fridge on Friday night  :clapping.


2017     5 ..... 3 goals in the GF and the flag in his 5th game.
2018   18
2019   16 ..... sacrificed himself playing with a busted shoulder in the Prelim so we could make the Granny and take the flag.
2020   16 ..... top 5 disposal getter for us and equal most contested possies in the 2020 GF.
2021   22
2022   20
2023     3*
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Total   100 games

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jack_Graham.html
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on March 28, 2023, 07:25:04 AM
Very important player so far this season!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mat073 on March 28, 2023, 10:49:40 AM
Go Fridge !!!!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on March 28, 2023, 12:12:49 PM
Big drop off in out put from last week imo. Thought last week good but just servicable this week.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on March 28, 2023, 07:46:05 PM
One of my favourite players. Wish him all the best against the Filth this Friday night.  :gotigers
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Post by: WilliamPowell on March 28, 2023, 08:13:56 PM
Big drop off in out put from last week imo. Thought last week good but just servicable this week.

Having watched the replay I can see how you would come to that conclusion. Especially looking at the stats

Having been at the game and watched it live I would say your review is wrong but I will not go down the path of explaining why because you will just say I'm wrong etc
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on March 29, 2023, 08:58:20 AM
I will Willy.
Craw, you are wrong.
He has and will be a revelation in this role.
Pressure forward who will kick goals - bookmark him for 30 goals this year and a key reason for us keeping the ball locked inside 50.

Craw doesn’t have to admit his wrr wrr wrr wrr wrong to get it wrong!
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Post by: the claw on March 29, 2023, 09:54:23 AM
Can only go by what i see. Then go to the stats to confirm or deny.

In what world is going from 9 tackles to 4 not a drop off.  Goal kicker eh well well just one in two games so far. Not really enough to drop off.
First week he gets a decent amount of ball then drops off by 25% the next. Gets 9 contested balls week 1 and then 5 the next thats a drop off.
He even had a couple of clearances week 1 for a big fat zero this week. 5 I/50's down to 2
I dont have to be at the ground to see he dropped off a cliff and this has always been the complaint with him, does enough one week then goes weeks not doing enough you can sum his career up by it.

Pressure fwd lmao.
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Post by: WilliamPowell on March 29, 2023, 10:43:17 AM
Can only go by what i see. Then go to the stats to confirm or deny.

In what world is going from 9 tackles to 4 not a drop off.  Goal kicker eh well well just one in two games so far. Not really enough to drop off.
First week he gets a decent amount of ball then drops off by 25% the next. Gets 9 contested balls week 1 and then 5 the next thats a drop off.
He even had a couple of clearances week 1 for a big fat zero this week. 5 I/50's down to 2
I dont have to be at the ground to see he dropped off a cliff and this has always been the complaint with him, does enough one week then goes weeks not doing enough you can sum his career up by it.

Pressure fwd lmao.

Thanks, I rest my case

Sorry mate but as always it is only about what YOU see and then you use the stats to back that up. You never, ever give any credence to what others see

I was at the game and going by what I saw he was good. His 2 way gut running was a stand out.

I could go on about players having a role that ends up not being about their stats (see MRJ) but you will go on about that being crap and the 3 time premiership coach has no idea
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Post by: the claw on March 29, 2023, 08:24:51 PM
Can only go by what i see. Then go to the stats to confirm or deny.

In what world is going from 9 tackles to 4 not a drop off.  Goal kicker eh well well just one in two games so far. Not really enough to drop off.
First week he gets a decent amount of ball then drops off by 25% the next. Gets 9 contested balls week 1 and then 5 the next thats a drop off.
He even had a couple of clearances week 1 for a big fat zero this week. 5 I/50's down to 2
I dont have to be at the ground to see he dropped off a cliff and this has always been the complaint with him, does enough one week then goes weeks not doing enough you can sum his career up by it.

Pressure fwd lmao.

Thanks, I rest my case

Sorry mate but as always it is only about what YOU see and then you use the stats to back that up. You never, ever give any credence to what others see

I was at the game and going by what I saw he was good. His 2 way gut running was a stand out.

I could go on about players having a role that ends up not being about their stats (see MRJ) but you will go on about that being crap and the 3 time premiership coach has no idea

As i said in what world is going from good stats to poor stats in just about every area not a drop off.

Yeah your fortunate to bein melbourne and see em live. Big freakin deal. I too see my share of games live.

It never ceases to amaze me the excuses people make for our players.
There is so sos much more to the game than just hard running both ways.The way you carry on and some others you would not know it.

Graham as a small pressure fwd i have heard it all. Just another example of a mature favorite taking games away from highly skilled quick natural fwds. FMD its a production line first Cotchin then Dusty now Graham yet alone Bolton playing there as well.

Theres no room for the kids the oldies are all playing in their roles.
Ryan will be next he too will be blamed for whatever the new bug bear is.

And please dont sit there on your high perch and tell me Hardwick has been a proponent of playing kids and ffs don't tell me he has not got plenty wrong along the way.
Gunna say till the cows come home. He cannot see what is hitting him in the face and thats his blind stupid backing of mature players because he has got too close to em. A fool can see he needs to be looking to regenerate with some kids and not keep going to the vet well.

People do realise to play Ryan you have to give up something, when the stuff are we ever going to get games into young tall fwds?
Only get serious about when Lynch and Riewoldt are retired. when are we going to get a few at least to the point they can compete if Lynch or Riewoldt get hurt. To get em there you have to pay the price. Oh i know lets play Graham there and not play Ryan or Cumberland or whoever you can see it coming  a mile away or something similar.

Thats enough anyway Dont whine at me if you fail to see the obvious weather at the ground or not.

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Post by: one-eyed on March 30, 2023, 02:22:03 PM
RFC website's tribute to Graham playing his 100th.

Article: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1294474/ton-up-for-graham

Video of career highlights so far: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1294766/jack-graham-100-games
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Broadsword on March 30, 2023, 04:39:09 PM
FFS FMD SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!!!

2017
2019
2020
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on March 30, 2023, 07:41:15 PM
Congratulation Fridge! A Richmond man and an amazing person :cheers
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Post by: one-eyed on March 30, 2023, 08:56:26 PM
Fairytale start, Port dalliance and a new role: Richmond’s ‘fridge’ on his road to game 100

By Peter Ryan
The Age
March 30, 2023


Last season was frustrating for Jack Graham. He carried a turf toe injury until round 22 when it flared, forcing him to miss the last two games, including the elimination final loss to Brisbane.

Soon after it became clear that tough midfielders Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto were joining the Tigers.

When Port Adelaide rang to see if Graham might be interested in considering a return to his home state, he contemplated the idea. His manager Marty Pask told Tigers list manager Blair Hartley, who informed the coach Damien Hardwick and Tim Livingstone. All three were fine with Graham looking at the option.

He told people he was returning to South Australia to visit his family but was soon spotted visiting Port Adelaide, and the prospect of Graham leaving Punt Road became news. Hardwick joked with him on the phone that he didn’t know Port Adelaide coach Ken Hinkley was his dad.

That made Graham laugh and there was no issue when he returned to the Tigers’ fold as Port turned their eyes to Jason Horne-Francis.

The footballing dalliance was no surprise. Essendon had also courted Graham at the end of 2020. He stayed then too, a Richmond man.

“It is what it is. It’s part of the game and at the end of the day, people want to play AFL and not just play AFL but play it to a standard and play it well. These things happen,” Graham said.

On Friday night Graham plays his 100th game for the Tigers having found a new role as a mid-forward, drawing on his running power and determination to stick at a task for the team’s benefit.

Insiders say he has grit, a trait that became evident to recruiters in his under-18 year when he went head-to-head at one stage with Port Adelaide bull Sam Powell-Pepper and neither yielded, the sound of crunching bumps reaching the sidelines.

To Graham, that is football.

“It comes down to being desperate, like not letting my man have an easy touch, to my second and third efforts and never, never give up,” Graham said.

“That sometimes might mean I am second to the ball with a lot of tackles, but I just want to do everything I can to help the team and if that’s me applying pressure, that’s what I’ll do.”

Ironically, given that Graham became renowned for his tackling, it was the difficulty of shifting him in a tackle that led former teammate Alex Rance to label him “the fridge” soon after Graham arrived at the Tigers.

He averages 5.6 tackles a game but is working to broaden his game beyond that.

“Naturally, all my defence stuff will be there, I’ll give 110 per cent. But if I can work on my craft of ground balls, being clean, first gives, reading the actual game a lot better.” Graham said. “That’s when I can really take my game to the next level.”

He is a valuable Tiger, respected at Punt Road for his unassuming leadership. He is more likely to make a quiet phone call to check in on a teammate needing a hand than stand in front of the group demanding standards. And he has plenty of experience to draw on now.

After just five games Graham had already played in front of 392,608 spectators, won a premiership, earned a Norm Smith Medal vote and was a life member at Richmond.

He won his spot late in 2017 when he dominated a full-press drill at training ahead of the second-last game of the season and Hardwick walked off the track determined to play him.

The ride of his then short football life ran uninterrupted as he kicked two of his three goals and shut down Adelaide playmaker Rory Sloane in the second half of the grand final.

It was a strange turn of events for the former Crows fan, who had copied a teammate’s haircut while at school a couple of years before joining him at Richmond.

“I got a ‘Dusty’ haircut in year 10 or year 11, short on the side, big out the back and the point at the front. I don’t think Mum and Dad were too happy with it,” Graham laughed.

The enormity of what he achieved did not really sink in until he found himself ruled out of the 2019 decider after dislocating his shoulder in the preliminary final, opening the way for Marlion Pickett’s fairytale debut.

But Graham doesn’t sugarcoat the mixed emotions he felt having to sit in the stands and watch his teammates destroy the Giants.

“I hated hearing all the stories of 2019 because I played the majority of the year and as much as the boys and the coaches supported me and I felt part of the win but, you know, you’re not really,” Graham said.

His bravery in staying on the ground with a dislocated shoulder was lauded but people who knew him best around the club knew missing out would burn.

It made 2020 his greatest triumph, reinventing his game while in Queensland to make sure he was part of the Tigers’ premiership triumph.

“I always look back at 2020 because I made up for missing out on 2019. That one was the one that meant the most,” Graham said.

Now he’s hoping to slot into a pattern of a premiership every three years as he remains a key part of a rejigged Richmond. A 100-game Tiger, with not only a life membership but joining Graeme Landy and Jeff Hogg’s names on the locker reserved for No.34. A Richmond man.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/fairytale-start-port-dalliance-and-a-new-role-richmond-s-fridge-on-his-road-to-game-100-20230329-p5cw7q.html
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on April 01, 2023, 12:15:52 AM
Any one want to talk about his game tonight!! Yep did not think so. Mr ordinary gets away scott free again.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on April 01, 2023, 12:18:24 AM
He's a plodder and although I like his effort and endeavour he really should be losing his spot to Sonsie.
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Post by: WilliamPowell on April 01, 2023, 12:30:44 AM
Poor game by Jack. But he wasn't alone. All our mids were poor

Interesting they out him in the midfield for big chunks last night which then robbed us of pressure in our F50
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Post by: camboon on April 01, 2023, 09:22:11 AM
He is inconsistent , seems to turn up sometimes
As an inside mid you would a thought the conditions would suit him last night
As a forward , if Sonsie plays well with pressure and tackling in the 2’s he is probably a better choice as a forward as he can kick goals
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Post by: one-eyed on April 06, 2023, 05:13:31 PM
FLAG TIGER TO TRIGGER ANOTHER YEAR

RICHMOND midfielder Jack Graham is set to trigger an extension in his contract this weekend that will tie the two-time premiership Tiger to Punt Road for a further season.

Graham signed a three-year deal with Richmond in 2020, though the contract had a clause for a fourth season that he will trigger if selected for Saturday's clash with the Western Bulldogs.

It will have Graham at the Tigers until at least 2024, when he is due to hit free agency, and will provide another intriguing dimension to the tough onballer's future after a series of rival raids in recent years.

Graham turned down significant interest from Carlton and Essendon to remain at Richmond in 2020, then toured Port Adelaide during last year's Trade Period but elected to stay at Punt Road.

Despite initial concerns over Graham's place in Richmond's midfield following the off-season arrival of both Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper from Greater Western Sydney, the South Australian has featured in all three AFL games so far this year. – Riley Beveridge

https://www.afl.com.au/news/897015/tiger-to-trigger-extension-another-father-son-dog-crow-close-to-deal
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on April 08, 2023, 07:44:44 PM
Crucial loss at half-time doing a hammy. Missed his bigger body at ground level and we couldn't pull off a tall like Samson when the rain came.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: crackertiger on April 08, 2023, 08:06:28 PM
Why play Ryan in these conditions. Deadset dumb.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on April 08, 2023, 08:12:21 PM
Big loss
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Post by: one-eyed on April 08, 2023, 09:39:31 PM
Here's the vision of Graham pinging his hammy (8 mins left Q2):

https://www.afl.com.au/video/899295/luckless-tiger-subbed-out-with-hamstring-injury
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on April 08, 2023, 11:13:05 PM
Looks minor, 3 weeks
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on April 09, 2023, 12:19:34 AM
Why play Ryan in these conditions. Deadset dumb.
Yet the dogs were willing to play Naughton JUH and Lobbe, with English rucking.
Hope we don't throw the baby out with the bath water and persevere. And yes it would be nice to get him into a game in the dry.

Maybe its time to throw a player like Bradtke in the deep end for a few games.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on May 06, 2023, 05:57:05 PM
This probably sounds nuts as he only had 12 possies today but as the game went along it felt like our link up play was so much better with Graham back in the team. We seem to generate goals when he was involved in a chain of possession on transition.
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Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 06, 2023, 05:59:44 PM
This probably sounds nuts as he only had 12 possies today but as the game went along it felt like our link up play was so much better with Graham back in the team. We seem to generate goals when he was involved in a chain of possession on transition.
I agree, I was surprised to see his stats, seemed to more involved than 12 possies
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on May 06, 2023, 06:33:14 PM
Should be captain. He is the glue that binds the team.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 06, 2023, 07:51:05 PM
This probably sounds nuts as he only had 12 possies today but as the game went along it felt like our link up play was so much better with Graham back in the team. We seem to generate goals when he was involved in a chain of possession on transition.
Look at the Clarke goal and 2 of the Prestia goals

It was Graham's attack on the footy, getting the ball out that got us those goals

Today's game is a perfect example why stats don't tell the real story
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Post by: The Machine on May 06, 2023, 07:53:12 PM
This probably sounds nuts as he only had 12 possies today but as the game went along it felt like our link up play was so much better with Graham back in the team. We seem to generate goals when he was involved in a chain of possession on transition.
Look at the Clarke goal and 2 of the Prestia goals

It was Graham's attack on the footy, getting the ball put that got us those goals

Today's gamecis a perfect example why stats don't tell the real story


 :cheers
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on May 07, 2023, 04:28:11 PM
This probably sounds nuts as he only had 12 possies today but as the game went along it felt like our link up play was so much better with Graham back in the team. We seem to generate goals when he was involved in a chain of possession on transition.
Look at the Clarke goal and 2 of the Prestia goals

It was Graham's attack on the footy, getting the ball out that got us those goals

Today's game is a perfect example why stats don't tell the real story
:thumbsup
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on May 08, 2023, 10:17:33 PM
Lol yep he did his share of nice things but im laughing at how low the bar is set.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on May 12, 2023, 11:18:22 PM
It was Graham's attack on the footy, getting the ball out that got us those goals

Today's game is a perfect example why stats don't tell the real story
Ditto this week too. It will again go unnoticed on the stats sheet, but Graham was terrific again tonight doing the selfless hard stuff. 
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerLand on May 12, 2023, 11:31:29 PM
Agree love him he has impact almost similar to Cyril Rioli but completely different styles. Doesn't get a heap of it but just impacts in important ways.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on May 12, 2023, 11:46:08 PM
Gee we've missed this guy, have to echo that sentiment
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Willy on May 13, 2023, 12:35:24 AM
Heart and soul player.

Gives his all every week.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 14, 2023, 08:52:11 PM
It was Graham's attack on the footy, getting the ball out that got us those goals

Today's game is a perfect example why stats don't tell the real story
Ditto this week too. It will again go unnoticed on the stats sheet, but Graham was terrific again tonight doing the selfless hard stuff.

Yep, Richo mentioned it during the game

While someone LOL the bar supposedly being set low

Facts are without those acts, then we miss out crucial goals....
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on May 19, 2023, 07:51:36 AM
Has been building nicely. Watching last games replay, he is our best player at hitting targets inside 50. He just lowers the eyes ( some times at the very last second and pulls the kick ) and finds people. So refreshing to watch compared to the bomb it long
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on May 29, 2023, 07:42:58 PM
What no one is talking about: Graham down on form

Andrew Slevison
SEN
29 May 2023


Jack Graham’s form has been well below his best in recent weeks.

The usually hard-tackling Tiger played 83 per cent of game time against the Power to finish with just three kicks, 11 touches total, one contested possession and one tackle.

He was quiet in his return from injury against West Coast in Round 8 (12 touches, three tackles), was so-so in the win against Geelong in Round 9 (17 disposals, three tackles) and was ok against Essendon last weekend (17 disposals and two tackles).

Graham is playing a tricky role as a high half-forward where you can get caught between play often, but the Tigers need much more from players like him if they are to pick off some wins this season.

His average of 14.5 disposals is his lowest since 2018 and his tackle average of 3.2 is far inferior to any other season.

Source: SEN (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/29/overreactions-positives-negatives-and-undroppables-for-all-18-afl-teams-in-11/).
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on May 29, 2023, 08:05:18 PM
Yup was very poor yesterday. If I thought we’d be a chance for 5+ changes then I’d say he’d be in trouble.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on May 30, 2023, 12:49:07 AM
One would expect The Machine has already reached out to Slevison for this brutal assessment
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on May 30, 2023, 04:59:40 PM
Yep the bar is set low.
But hey he does the odd thing well and thats good enough.
You have to go back to rnd one to find a game at an overall acceptable level imho.But hey for most a few tackles here and there and the odd lowering of the eyes is enough.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Gigantor on May 30, 2023, 05:53:52 PM
I wonder what Port saw in jack Graham
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on May 30, 2023, 06:00:19 PM
I wonder what Port saw in jack Graham
nothing once JHF was available.... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerLand on June 10, 2023, 11:35:01 PM
Sorry MT I'm being lazy and can't find Jack Graham thread.

But a huge shoutout to fridge thought he was excellent tonight. Robbed of a good tackle too.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 10, 2023, 11:51:00 PM
Mentioned his last qtr in particular in the game thread

Thought he was outstanding

But I'm sure some still won't hesitate in criticising  :shh

Oh and some of his stats

21 disposals
90% efficiency
6 score involvements
2 goal assists
4 tackles
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerLand on June 11, 2023, 12:00:15 AM
Was enormous I thought, 21 surprised me felt like more but I'd guess the vast majority of that was forward third of the ground and part of a number of scoring chains.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on June 11, 2023, 12:52:02 AM
He was due and still runs slower than my grandmother
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on June 11, 2023, 10:32:40 AM
Sensational game last night full of gut running :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: crackertiger on June 11, 2023, 10:37:17 AM
That sling tackle was staged by the opposition player. Disgraceful. You could see the look on Graham's face.

Graham does look a little slow lately.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on June 11, 2023, 01:20:01 PM
Was holding the ball before it was a sling. Simple. The interpretation of holding the ball simply encourages the player with ball to hang onto it for longer.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 07, 2023, 01:08:05 AM
To all those who keep calling for Graham to be traded asked delisted dropped whatever. Saying he is too slow , bla bla bla... Have absolutely no idea how important he is and vital for our team. He may appear slow but he isn't !! What is he , a machine that just keeps going and going and going. Is hard as and a leader. He never gets the credit he deserves and many forget quickly all he has done.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 07, 2023, 01:13:44 AM
LMAO - he was shyte for the majority of the game. :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 07, 2023, 01:23:29 AM
LMAO - he was shyte for the majority of the game. :shh
You are blind and have no idea what he does and what his role is. Ask the club what they think about him and his game.
Seriously open your eyes
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on July 07, 2023, 01:35:57 AM
I don’t mind graham, I’m also not overly fussed about his speed, not all players are blessed with speed and acceleration and there’s been plenty of great players who didn’t have that in their arsenal.

I’m saying all that I thought he was very poor for 3 quarters before coming alive in the last and banging in 2 clutch goals. Would have had him out of the side next week at 3 qtr time but redeemed himself in the last.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: JP Tiger on July 07, 2023, 03:32:44 PM
I liked the good old days when a player kicks two goals in the last quarter of a tight match we'd get around him & pat him on the back!  "Thanks for winning the game for us Jack!" we'd say.       
Now, alas, we sit back in our lounge chairs & post smack on the internet about the guy who got us over the line ... all because he hasn't won 5 Brownlows yet or broken any land speed records this week. 

Thanks Jack, I hope you upset people every week!        :gotigers
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: eliminator on July 07, 2023, 06:03:25 PM
Thought his disposal very good.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on July 07, 2023, 06:29:49 PM
Thought his disposal very good.

Suggest you watch a replay and look at his disposal first three quarters

Diabolical
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 07, 2023, 06:56:31 PM
I liked the good old days when a player kicks two goals in the last quarter of a tight match we'd get around him & pat him on the back!  "Thanks for winning the game for us Jack!" we'd say.       
Now, alas, we sit back in our lounge chairs & post smack on the internet about the guy who got us over the line ... all because he hasn't won 5 Brownlows yet or broken any land speed records this week. 

Thanks Jack, I hope you upset people every week!        :gotigers
:cheers :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on July 07, 2023, 09:13:05 PM
He is a very good player who plays his role as directed weekly.  :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: rogerd3 on July 07, 2023, 09:37:58 PM
Don’t be mung beans.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on July 07, 2023, 09:50:45 PM
He is a very good player who plays his role as directed weekly.  :clapping
  :clapping :clapping
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Post by: Damo on July 07, 2023, 10:16:54 PM
He is a very good player who plays his role as directed weekly.  :clapping
  :clapping :clapping

 :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 08, 2023, 12:07:39 AM
How much do we think he’s improved since the 2017 GF?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 08, 2023, 12:18:52 AM
Remains his best game - and by some margin.  :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 08, 2023, 10:10:10 AM
Thought his disposal very good.

Suggest you watch a replay and look at his disposal first three quarters

Diabolical

In fairness so was most of the teams disposal in the first 2-3 quarters... ;D

Across the match his disposal efficiency % is better than Taranto and on par with Hoppers  :rollin

I don't pay much attention to stats but was interested this week and last week to discuss eff% numbers because our disposal overall was diabolical over 6.5 of the last 8vquarters of footy we've played

I'll watch the replay sometime over the weekend but from my vantage point in the Ponsford stand I thought he was good.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on July 08, 2023, 10:23:05 AM
Thought his disposal very good.

Suggest you watch a replay and look at his disposal first three quarters

Diabolical

In fairness so was most of the teams disposal in the first 2-3 quarters... ;D

Across the match his disposal efficiency % is better than Taranto and on par with Hoppers  :rollin

I don't pay much attention to stats but was interested this week and last week to discuss eff% numbers because our disposal overall was diabolical over 6.5 of the last 8vquarters of footy we've played

I'll watch the replay sometime over the weekend but from my vantage point in the Ponsford stand I thought he was good.

He’s had 12 disposals in the first three quarters for five CLANGERS

Every time he touched it was heart in mouth

Will be interested in your views after watching the replay and concentrating on it

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 08, 2023, 01:22:40 PM
Yep some his kicks coming out of defence were diabolical, then there was that shocking attempt on goal from 20 out that went low and flat and straight into the group of Sydney defenders all standing in the way.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on July 08, 2023, 01:37:42 PM
And then he kicked an important goal from 55m and don't forget the match winning goal, but hey, let's keep bagging him ::)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 08, 2023, 01:45:51 PM
And then I kicked an important goal from 55m and don't forget the match winning goal, but hey,  keep bagging me ::)

 :bow
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on July 08, 2023, 01:57:27 PM
And then I kicked an important goal from 55m and don't forget the match winning goal, but hey,  keep bagging me ::)

 :bow

Well I did so just keeping my bagging in perspective :shh
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Post by: FooffooValve on July 08, 2023, 03:18:33 PM
Yep some his kicks coming out of defence were diabolical, then there was that shocking attempt on goal from 20 out that went low and flat and straight into the group of Sydney defenders all standing in the way.

I went back and looked at the full replay. He missed that snap (should have done better) and had one dodgy kick out of defence when he had more time, but nobody up field gave him a great option. He also had a long 50m kick out of the back pocket which Sydney marked, but that happens about 50 times a game these days, so not beating him up for that. Coughed up a free on the wing but at least was trying to keep the ball moving.  And one left foot under pressure kick out of back half stoppage which was ridiculously called as insufficient intent. After half time, the thing I noticed was that he was very clean below his knees (very underrated on a wet night) made pretty much every possession count, tackled with real bruising intent,  then kicked two last quarter goals (one absolute ripper) and tried his guts out around the ground with pressure, tackles and will. You would also notice that he was in the game deep forward and deep in defence - hard two way running which shows up on the tracker pretty much every week.

If that's a diabolical game then I'll take diabolical every week thanks.
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Post by: Damo on July 08, 2023, 04:01:31 PM
And then I kicked an important goal from 55m and don't forget the match winning goal, but hey,  keep bagging me ::)

 :bow

Well I did so just keeping my bagging in perspective :shh

Being honest Machine, I didn’t have you in the best 8 (being kind)
Even taking into account the goals you kicked in the last
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Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 08, 2023, 04:13:48 PM
Yep some his kicks coming out of defence were diabolical, then there was that shocking attempt on goal from 20 out that went low and flat and straight into the group of Sydney defenders all standing in the way.

I went back and looked at the full replay. He missed that snap (should have done better) and had one dodgy kick out of defence when he had more time, but nobody up field gave him a great option. He also had a long 50m kick out of the back pocket which Sydney marked, but that happens about 50 times a game these days, so not beating him up for that. Coughed up a free on the wing but at least was trying to keep the ball moving.  And one left foot under pressure kick out of back half stoppage which was ridiculously called as insufficient intent. After half time, the thing I noticed was that he was very clean below his knees (very underrated on a wet night) made pretty much every possession count, tackled with real bruising intent,  then kicked two last quarter goals (one absolute ripper) and tried his guts out around the ground with pressure, tackles and will. You would also notice that he was in the game deep forward and deep in defence - hard two way running which shows up on the tracker pretty much every week.

If that's a diabolical game then I'll take diabolical every week thanks.
:clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: MintOnLamb on July 09, 2023, 12:13:47 PM
No matter what people comment about Jack, I would rather he play for RFC than anyone else
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 09, 2023, 12:50:20 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 09, 2023, 01:11:30 PM
He’s very much a role player - run with and negative in nature.
A good option up forward as he can still win the ball while applying pressure.

I was expecting him to be a dominant contested beast in the guise of Ollie Wines in that first year or two.

He’s looking more and more like Sam Powell-Pepper without the offensive flair.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 09, 2023, 01:31:49 PM

He’s had 12 disposals in the first three quarters for five CLANGERS

Every time he touched it was heart in mouth

Will be interested in your views after watching the replay and concentrating on it

Watched the replay yesterday arvo.

My view hasn't changed. Think FooffooValve has highlighted what I saw on the night and on the replay.

Yep he had a couple of ordinary kicks. But so to did a few others who haven't had their disposal referred to as "diabolical" (Dan Rioli in particular says hi  ;D)

I hope folks are not suggesting the kick in the 3rd that the umpire called "insufficient intent" is a clanger? With MRJ less than 2 metres away it shouldn't have been a free.

I noticed on Thursday night he played HF, in the middle, on the wing and also headed down back. This "role" is what he's been doing since we had a change in coach. Not one role but multiple of roles. But no one seems to acknowledge that.

When it's all said and done he kicked 2 super important goals that helped in keeping our season alive and surely he deserves some credit no matter how begrudgingly from some for that  :huh

We all have players we love to whack, I know I'm guilty of it. I've done it with Ross over time and most recently Young but I always try to give credit when it is due.

Guess what I m suggesting is sometimes we need to take the blinkers off and acknowledge that these players have done OK even if it's through gritted teeth and even causes us pain  ;)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 09, 2023, 01:46:54 PM
The point is the usual suspect suspects are carrying on like it was great game from go to woe and he was in the bests , rather than a good last quarter after a serviceable third quarter and a poor first half. :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on July 09, 2023, 01:54:22 PM
The point is the usual suspect suspects are carrying on like it was great game from go to woe and he was in the bests , rather than a good last quarter after a serviceable third quarter and a poor first half. :shh


Yeah he was not great in the first 1.5 quarters, however as the game went on he was a very important player. His running power was evident and his 2 goals being the icing on a solid outing. His year to date disposal efficiency is a handy 77.6 which has him in the top bracket. 
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Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 09, 2023, 02:30:58 PM
Omg the whole team was crap in the first 1.5 qtrs.. seriously.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on July 09, 2023, 04:02:26 PM
Jack Graham is without a shadow of a doubt an irreplaceable player. There’s no one that could play a similar role and impact on games more than he does, no one. Same thing with Kmac.

The sooner people realise that you can’t upgrade on players the better.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on July 09, 2023, 04:22:28 PM
Jack Graham is without a shadow of a doubt an irreplaceable player. There’s no one that could play a similar role and impact on games more than he does, no one. Same thing with Kmac.

The sooner people realise that you can’t upgrade on players the better.

Unless you aren’t one of the chosen ones
Eg Noah Cumberland
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on July 09, 2023, 04:41:52 PM
This thread is beginning to mirror the Cumberland thread.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 09, 2023, 05:08:00 PM
This thread is beginning to mirror the Cumberland thread.

Sadly it is
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on July 09, 2023, 05:52:07 PM
Jack Graham is without a shadow of a doubt an irreplaceable player. There’s no one that could play a similar role and impact on games more than he does, no one. Same thing with Kmac.

The sooner people realise that you can’t upgrade on players the better.

Unless you aren’t one of the chosen ones
Eg Noah Cumberland


Cumberland holds his future in his hands. Simple! Play the way he is instructed, be a team player and harden the hell up and he might have a chance :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on July 09, 2023, 06:22:10 PM
Jack Graham is without a shadow of a doubt an irreplaceable player. There’s no one that could play a similar role and impact on games more than he does, no one. Same thing with Kmac.

The sooner people realise that you can’t upgrade on players the better.

Unless you aren’t one of the chosen ones
Eg Noah Cumberland


Cumberland holds his future in his hands. Simple! Play the way he is instructed, be a team player and harden the hell up and he might have a chance :shh

Thanks for the heads up Jack
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Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on July 09, 2023, 06:40:09 PM
Jack Graham is without a shadow of a doubt an irreplaceable player. There’s no one that could play a similar role and impact on games more than he does, no one. Same thing with Kmac.

The sooner people realise that you can’t upgrade on players the better.

Unless you aren’t one of the chosen ones
Eg Noah Cumberland


Cumberland holds his future in his hands. Simple! Play the way he is instructed, be a team player and harden the hell up and he might have a chance :shh
  :clapping :cheers :clapping

 :gotigers
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 09, 2023, 07:16:33 PM
Jack Graham will forever be part of Richmond folklore....just like Jacob Townsend.... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 09, 2023, 08:26:26 PM
Such comedians here
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 09, 2023, 10:25:38 PM
Jack Graham is without a shadow of a doubt an irreplaceable player. There’s no one that could play a similar role and impact on games more than he does, no one. Same thing with Kmac.

The sooner people realise that you can’t upgrade on players the better.

Unless you aren’t one of the chosen ones
Eg Noah Cumberland

He is not that good.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on July 09, 2023, 10:32:59 PM
He needs to back up through see this to ofter one good game then missing in action.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on July 11, 2023, 10:25:04 AM
three almost invisible quarters apart from the clangers and then a couple of goals in the last and all is forgiven.

Its because blokes like Graham and others  were so poor that we nearly lost the game. its because of them the game was in the balance until the las few minutes but hey thats all forgotten. In fact if we had lost id say the commentary from a few would be vastly different.

That was not a good game in anyones language he kept trying to his credit and had his couple of moments credit for that.
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Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 11, 2023, 11:22:51 AM
three almost invisible quarters apart from the clangers and then a couple of goals in the last and all is forgiven.

Its because blokes like Graham and others  were so poor that we nearly lost the game. its because of them the game was in the balance until the las few minutes but hey thats all forgotten. In fact if we had lost id say the commentary from a few would be vastly different.

That was not a good game in anyones language he kept trying to his credit and had his couple of moments credit for that.

Omg , you're actually being serious , but your post is just pure minchiate
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on July 11, 2023, 09:05:58 PM
three almost invisible quarters apart from the clangers and then a couple of goals in the last and all is forgiven.

Its because blokes like Graham and others  were so poor that we nearly lost the game. its because of them the game was in the balance until the las few minutes but hey thats all forgotten. In fact if we had lost id say the commentary from a few would be vastly different.

That was not a good game in anyones language he kept trying to his credit and had his couple of moments credit for that.

Omg , you're actually being serious , but your post is just pure minchiate

Omg once an imbecile always an imbecile even if you have changed names and moved to Sicily. And ffs mate we are Australians try to at least act like one even if your elsewhere.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on July 11, 2023, 09:10:54 PM
Ok just two questions and it will be good to see who can be honest.

1/ Was his first three Quarters bloody ordinary.
2/ Did kicking two goals late save his game.

That is it in a nut shell. No bagging no talking him up but his game overall.

Only a fool would argue his first three quarters were poor. But hey it seems theres plenty of them around.
That leaves the obvious question. was two goals enough to save his game and make it a good game.

This will be interesting.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on July 11, 2023, 09:42:31 PM
The bloke had 19 possessions 4 tackles and played a lock down role, and we won the game , all facts lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on July 11, 2023, 09:52:02 PM
The bloke had 19 possessions 4 tackles and played a lock down role, and we won the game , all facts lol

LMFAO. He had what ? 19 disposals well fmd i bet you counted every single one frantically.
So your going to sit there and tell all and sundry he had a great game especially the first three quarters.
Im gob smacked at just how much supporters manage to kid themselves. Thank god for good old doses of delusion it makes my day when it is so openly on display.

Cmon tell me what did you like about his first three quarters after all your here defending them.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on July 11, 2023, 09:54:09 PM
The bloke had 19 possessions 4 tackles and played a lock down role, and we won the game , all facts lol
you are being serious arent ya, defending those first three quarters. Obviously being honest and unbiased is not one of your forte's.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 11, 2023, 10:16:47 PM
We wouldn't have needed those two goals in the first place if blokes like Graham weren't playing like crap for most of the game. He needed to redeem himself. :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on July 11, 2023, 10:19:33 PM
Bet you weren’t at the game, how about reading the AFL website player stats before you dribble your vitriol against most of our players,

Haters have got to hate🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on July 11, 2023, 11:06:40 PM
Ok just two questions and it will be good to see who can be honest.

1/ Was his first three Quarters bloody ordinary.
2/ Did kicking two goals late save his game.

That is it in a nut shell. No bagging no talking him up but his game overall.

Only a fool would argue his first three quarters were poor. But hey it seems theres plenty of them around.
That leaves the obvious question. was two goals enough to save his game and make it a good game.

This will be interesting.

Yes his first 3 quarters were ordinary.

And yes his two goals (and full 4th quarter) saved his game.

When the game was there to be won he stood up. You might even say his lift was one of the reasons we got over the line.

He's a B-C grade player and is paid accordingly. Need a dozen of these in any team.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on July 12, 2023, 12:09:47 AM
Ok just two questions and it will be good to see who can be honest.

1/ Was his first three Quarters bloody ordinary.
2/ Did kicking two goals late save his game.

That is it in a nut shell. No bagging no talking him up but his game overall.

Only a fool would argue his first three quarters were poor. But hey it seems theres plenty of them around.
That leaves the obvious question. was two goals enough to save his game and make it a good game.

This will be interesting.

Yes his first 3 quarters were ordinary.

And yes his two goals (and full 4th quarter) saved his game.

When the game was there to be won he stood up. You might even say his lift was one of the reasons we got over the line.

He's a B-C grade player and is paid accordingly. Need a dozen of these in any team.


Yesssssssss

Andy the voice of reason finally

He’s a B-C guy .. IMO falls into the 20-28 area of the list

What annoys me is the rose coloured glasses from so many .. you would think he was a top 5-10 bloke the way some carry on

Yes he has a big heart .. yes he tries hard .. yes a great bloke and teammate .. yes he is a heart and soul type .. yes he tackles hard (often second to the ball) .. great trier

But

Slow as treacle
Average skills at best

Those two points is why he falls into the B-C range

But some can’t see it

The geniuses who call him a running machine .. he isn’t a winger .. he is an inside mid where burst speed is crucial, and he has none .. if he was a winger like a McIntosh, then being a “running machine” would be relevant .. and before any quote his “top speed”, completely irrelevant when you are a locomotive and take 10 metres to get rolling

I actually like Graham as a 20-28 bloke .. it’s the dreamers that frustrate me

For the sake of it
I will list 15 players I have ahead of him in no particular order that I believe are clear cut ahead of Graham

Dusty
Bolton
Taranto
Prestia
Lynch
Cotchin (yep, even now)
Baker
Vlastuin
Dan Rioli
Short
Balta
Hopper
Nank
Broad
Grimes

Don’t think anyone can argue with those 15

Then there is more I personally have ahead of him

McIntosh 
Pickett
Gibcus (I know it’s been a season lost)
Riewoldt (yep, even now)

Then we are at the 20-28 section and where I have him

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 12, 2023, 01:06:31 AM
Ross if he hasn't gone past him now as well has at least shown he has a higher ceiling..... :shh

Graham is an inside mid who can't win his own ball and lacks to tricks required to compensate for his lack of pace so he basically plays as some sort of defensive mid-cum- half forward hybrid type and  like a link man who mainly plays in and around the corridor instead of out on the flanks or the midfield equivalent of a decoy forward...in fact it's almost as if we invented an entirely new position just to accomodate him in the side... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on July 12, 2023, 07:52:09 AM
Ross if he hasn't gone past him now as well has at least shown he has a higher ceiling..... :shh

Graham is an inside mid who can't win his own ball and lacks to tricks required to compensate for his lack of pace so he basically plays as some sort of defensive mid-cum- half forward hybrid type and  like a link man who mainly plays in and around the corridor instead of out on the flanks or the midfield equivalent of a decoy forward...in fact it's almost as if we invented an entirely new position just to accomodate him in the side... :shh

I have Ross ahead as well
In the 20-28 section
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on July 12, 2023, 07:53:52 AM
Ok just two questions and it will be good to see who can be honest.

1/ Was his first three Quarters bloody ordinary.
2/ Did kicking two goals late save his game.

That is it in a nut shell. No bagging no talking him up but his game overall.

Only a fool would argue his first three quarters were poor. But hey it seems theres plenty of them around.
That leaves the obvious question. was two goals enough to save his game and make it a good game.

This will be interesting.

Yes his first 3 quarters were ordinary.

And yes his two goals (and full 4th quarter) saved his game.

When the game was there to be won he stood up. You might even say his lift was one of the reasons we got over the line.

He's a B-C grade player and is paid accordingly. Need a dozen of these in any team.


Yesssssssss

Andy the voice of reason finally

He’s a B-C guy .. IMO falls into the 20-28 area of the list

What annoys me is the rose coloured glasses from so many .. you would think he was a top 5-10 bloke the way some carry on

Yes he has a big heart .. yes he tries hard .. yes a great bloke and teammate .. yes he is a heart and soul type .. yes he tackles hard (often second to the ball) .. great trier

But

Slow as treacle
Average skills at best

Those two points is why he falls into the B-C range

But some can’t see it

The geniuses who call him a running machine .. he isn’t a winger .. he is an inside mid where burst speed is crucial, and he has none .. if he was a winger like a McIntosh, then being a “running machine” would be relevant .. and before any quote his “top speed”, completely irrelevant when you are a locomotive and take 10 metres to get rolling

I actually like Graham as a 20-28 bloke .. it’s the dreamers that frustrate me

For the sake of it
I will list 15 players I have ahead of him in no particular order that I believe are clear cut ahead of Graham

Dusty
Bolton
Taranto
Prestia
Lynch
Cotchin (yep, even now)
Baker
Vlastuin
Dan Rioli
Short
Balta
Hopper
Nank
Broad
Grimes

Don’t think anyone can argue with those 15

Then there is more I personally have ahead of him

McIntosh 
Pickett
Gibcus (I know it’s been a season lost)
Riewoldt (yep, even now)

Then we are at the 20-28 section and where I have him



Yep.

I thought he would be on the fringe with Taranto and Hopper coming into the club.

I genuinely think he's got a stable spot because of injuries.

If we had more blokes on the park he would be out. Can only play so many blokes like this.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on July 12, 2023, 09:16:18 AM
Ok just two questions and it will be good to see who can be honest.

1/ Was his first three Quarters bloody ordinary.
2/ Did kicking two goals late save his game.

That is it in a nut shell. No bagging no talking him up but his game overall.

Only a fool would argue his first three quarters were poor. But hey it seems theres plenty of them around.
That leaves the obvious question. was two goals enough to save his game and make it a good game.

This will be interesting.

Yes his first 3 quarters were ordinary.

And yes his two goals (and full 4th quarter) saved his game.

When the game was there to be won he stood up. You might even say his lift was one of the reasons we got over the line.

He's a B-C grade player and is paid accordingly. Need a dozen of these in any team.

Thank you as with most of your posts honesty and reason i wonder if you too will now cop the anger and vitriol because you werent positive enough for the flower sniffers.
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Post by: WilliamPowell on July 12, 2023, 10:27:14 AM
..

Thank you as with most of your posts honesty and reason i wonder if you too will now cop the anger and vitriol because you werent positive enough for the flower sniffers.

He wont cop any anger because as you said he gives his honest opinion with reasons and more importantly doesn't find the need to include insults and name calling t posters who don't agree.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 12, 2023, 10:37:02 AM

Yep.

I thought he would be on the fringe with Taranto and Hopper coming into the club.

I genuinely think he's got a stable spot because of injuries.

If we had more blokes on the park he would be out. Can only play so many blokes like this.

While understand your points Andyy I can't agree.

Why?

As part of my Membership we get extra benefits like pre-match briefings by the coaches and a mid season review. these are great because we get the explanations as to why players are playing in certain positions, what their roles are within the team structure and what the game plan is. They are a real eye opener

So based on what I've learnt from those I'd say he is lock in for our best 22

**and NO, I will not post about what we get told. I pay for the privilege of those benefits and we are asked not repeat
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on July 12, 2023, 10:45:24 AM
He's been dropped before. Is his role this season now too important and no one else on the list can play it? That's not meant to be a snarky shot at you either, WP.

Just reckon there are a few too many blokes who play a 'role' and tend to play some absolute shockers or can't get a kick. Sometimes maybe they're nullifying which may explain a lack of disposals, but in a side that is 11th or something I reckon it's near on time to look at a way to get us back to the top 4. That may mean a change of personnel or different roles for players.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on July 12, 2023, 10:50:56 AM
Ok just two questions and it will be good to see who can be honest.

1/ Was his first three Quarters bloody ordinary.
2/ Did kicking two goals late save his game.

That is it in a nut shell. No bagging no talking him up but his game overall.

Only a fool would argue his first three quarters were poor. But hey it seems theres plenty of them around.
That leaves the obvious question. was two goals enough to save his game and make it a good game.

This will be interesting.

Yes his first 3 quarters were ordinary.

And yes his two goals (and full 4th quarter) saved his game.

When the game was there to be won he stood up. You might even say his lift was one of the reasons we got over the line.

He's a B-C grade player and is paid accordingly. Need a dozen of these in any team.


Yesssssssss

Andy the voice of reason finally

He’s a B-C guy .. IMO falls into the 20-28 area of the list

What annoys me is the rose coloured glasses from so many .. you would think he was a top 5-10 bloke the way some carry on

Yes he has a big heart .. yes he tries hard .. yes a great bloke and teammate .. yes he is a heart and soul type .. yes he tackles hard (often second to the ball) .. great trier

But

Slow as treacle
Average skills at best

Those two points is why he falls into the B-C range

But some can’t see it

The geniuses who call him a running machine .. he isn’t a winger .. he is an inside mid where burst speed is crucial, and he has none .. if he was a winger like a McIntosh, then being a “running machine” would be relevant .. and before any quote his “top speed”, completely irrelevant when you are a locomotive and take 10 metres to get rolling

I actually like Graham as a 20-28 bloke .. it’s the dreamers that frustrate me

For the sake of it
I will list 15 players I have ahead of him in no particular order that I believe are clear cut ahead of Graham

Dusty
Bolton
Taranto
Prestia
Lynch
Cotchin (yep, even now)
Baker
Vlastuin
Dan Rioli
Short
Balta
Hopper
Nank
Broad
Grimes

Don’t think anyone can argue with those 15

Then there is more I personally have ahead of him

McIntosh 
Pickett
Gibcus (I know it’s been a season lost)
Riewoldt (yep, even now)

Then we are at the 20-28 section and where I have him

Great post

It's the delusion his supporters have that poo me. No one has a personal issue with Jack Graham, from all reports he's a nice fella.

Call him slow? Well hang on, I personally clocked him running at 37.6ks per hour at training.... :shh
Don't think he had enough of the footy? You don't know his role  :shh  :shh
Used it poorly and it's back up by statistics? Ner ner everyone had a bad game  :shh :shh  :shh
You reckon he should be upgraded on or not in our best 22 at full strength? Cumberland isn't a team player  :shh :shh :shh  :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on July 12, 2023, 11:34:13 AM

Yep.

I thought he would be on the fringe with Taranto and Hopper coming into the club.

I genuinely think he's got a stable spot because of injuries.

If we had more blokes on the park he would be out. Can only play so many blokes like this.

While understand your points Andyy I can't agree.

Why?

As part of my Membership we get extra benefits like pre-match briefings by the coaches and a mid season review. these are great because we get the explanations as to why players are playing in certain positions, what their roles are within the team structure and what the game plan is. They are a real eye opener

So based on what I've learnt from those I'd say he is lock in for our best 22

**and NO, I will not post about what we get told. I pay for the privilege of those benefits and we are asked not repeat

Appreciate your input as always.

If Gibcus, Short and Lynch were available I wonder if Graham's spot would be in jeopardy.

Also think we should be playing Bauer forward given our need for KPF development so based on positions/roles I would consider him over Graham.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 12, 2023, 11:39:44 AM
He's been dropped before. Is his role this season now too important and no one else on the list can play it? That's not meant to be a snarky shot at you either, WP.

Just reckon there are a few too many blokes who play a 'role' and tend to play some absolute shockers or can't get a kick. Sometimes maybe they're nullifying which may explain a lack of disposals, but in a side that is 11th or something I reckon it's near on time to look at a way to get us back to the top 4. That may mean a change of personnel or different roles for players.

Get your point AT but whether we agree or not and as you say for some blokes it isn't about possessions

Will confess it leaves me scratching my head at times too

But when we were winning flags for some blokes it wasn't about possessions then either
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on July 12, 2023, 11:43:29 AM

Yep.

I thought he would be on the fringe with Taranto and Hopper coming into the club.

I genuinely think he's got a stable spot because of injuries.

If we had more blokes on the park he would be out. Can only play so many blokes like this.

While understand your points Andyy I can't agree.

Why?

As part of my Membership we get extra benefits like pre-match briefings by the coaches and a mid season review. these are great because we get the explanations as to why players are playing in certain positions, what their roles are within the team structure and what the game plan is. They are a real eye opener

So based on what I've learnt from those I'd say he is lock in for our best 22

**and NO, I will not post about what we get told. I pay for the privilege of those benefits and we are asked not repeat

Appreciate your input as always.

If Gibcus, Short and Lynch were available I wonder if Graham's spot would be in jeopardy.

Also think we should be playing Bauer forward given our need for KPF development so based on positions/roles I would consider him over Graham.

I don’t think he’s only got a stable spot because of injuries. The only players who you would consider best 22/23 on our injury list atm are really short, lynch, Gibcus and maybe Tarrant. That’s 1 half back flanker and 3 key position players who even if they were healthy wouldn’t come in at the expense of graham. Maybe you could argue lynch could as he’d need to take someone’s spot in the fwd line and I very much doubt it would be jacks.

Coaches clearly like what he brings to the table as much as a lot of us (myself included) don’t always agree with. At the start of the season I had him as 23rd man so agree he’s probably in that 18-24, don’t think I’d go as far as 28 lol.
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Post by: WilliamPowell on July 12, 2023, 11:50:52 AM

Great post

It's the delusion his supporters have that poo me. No one has a personal issue with Jack Graham, from all reports he's a nice fella.

Call him slow? Well hang on, I personally clocked him running at 37.6ks per hour at training.... :shh
Don't think he had enough of the footy? You don't know his role  :shh  :shh
Used it poorly and it's back up by statistics? Ner ner everyone had a bad game  :shh :shh  :shh
You reckon he should be upgraded on or not in our best 22 at full strength? Cumberland isn't a team player  :shh :shh :shh  :shh

This is a very good post and I reckon you've hit a proverbial nail with it

I've been wondering if some of the comments have been more to do with folks being frustrated with people's view on said player than the players actual performance at times.  :huh

Reason I say this is because (and last week was a perfect example) it seems that it doesn't matter what a player does sometimes they are getting pummeled for their performance no matter what and that seems to fire people up to try and get a response out of the those who either see the good (only) or see both good and bad.

Noah Cumberland is another one who has faced the same during the course of the season...

The recent posts by both Damo and Andyy have been excellent, clear reasoning with thier opinion. quality posting right there! No insults

As I said in my reply to Andyy I don't necessarily agree with his view but respect it

And BTW AT, you are correct Jack Graham is very nice bloke, spoke to him and a number of others at last night's PLayer Sponsors dinner ;D
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on July 12, 2023, 11:56:54 AM
I don’t think he’s only got a stable spot because of injuries. The only players who you would consider best 22/23 on our injury list atm are really short, lynch, Gibcus and maybe Tarrant. That’s 1 half back flanker and 3 key position players who even if they were healthy wouldn’t come in at the expense of graham.

Coaches clearly like what he brings to the table as much as a lot of us (myself included) don’t always agree with. At the start of the season I had him as 23rd man so agree he’s probably in that 18-24, don’t think I’d go as far as 28 lol.


Don't get me wrong - I like what he brings as well, just think he doesn't have as many tools or as high a ceiling as some other players of similar role.

With KPP's injured we have seen some movements such as Pickett moving to the forward line as a marking target, which hasn't been effective, but it's evidence that our injuries (and subsequently returns) don't only impact the direct position of the injured player in question - hence the return of players like Lynch and Gibcus should put pressure on a player like Graham for example.

If we had a completely healthy list without significant form issues my 22 would look something like this:

Grimes Balta Gibcus
Rioli Vlastuin Broad
Pickett Cotchin KMac
Ross Lynch Dusty
Mansell Riewoldt Bolton

Nank Taranto Hopper

IC Prestia, Short, Baker, Ryan

Sub/just outside B22: Young, Clarke, Cumberland, Graham, Miller, M Rioli


Plenty of players able to rotate through the middle or swaps positions. It shows we are really struggling for small forward quality.

Question for you - out of that B22, who do you think Graham is an automatic selection over, considering quality and role/position?

For me this places him somewhere in the 23-26 range currently.
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Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 12, 2023, 12:13:20 PM
It is almost like KMac and Pickett are invisible.
I don’t think either are doing enough to warrant a spot in the starting 18 (or 22).
The reality of our starting line up is that Jack and Cotchin will go out at seasons end and Tom Lynch will come in.
Unless we trade for it, the likelihood is that Gibcus swings into our forward line.

Jack Graham fits nicely as a pressure forward - providing he is fit. He looks bigger and slower now when compared to start of year.
If he can regain that mobility from start of year, he’s a good option up forward and then a pinch hit midfielder
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on July 12, 2023, 12:15:20 PM
I don’t think he’s only got a stable spot because of injuries. The only players who you would consider best 22/23 on our injury list atm are really short, lynch, Gibcus and maybe Tarrant. That’s 1 half back flanker and 3 key position players who even if they were healthy wouldn’t come in at the expense of graham.

Coaches clearly like what he brings to the table as much as a lot of us (myself included) don’t always agree with. At the start of the season I had him as 23rd man so agree he’s probably in that 18-24, don’t think I’d go as far as 28 lol.


Don't get me wrong - I like what he brings as well, just think he doesn't have as many tools or as high a ceiling as some other players of similar role.

With KPP's injured we have seen some movements such as Pickett moving to the forward line as a marking target, which hasn't been effective, but it's evidence that our injuries (and subsequently returns) don't only impact the direct position of the injured player in question - hence the return of players like Lynch and Gibcus should put pressure on a player like Graham for example.

If we had a completely healthy list without significant form issues my 22 would look something like this:

Grimes Balta Gibcus
Rioli Vlastuin Broad
Pickett Cotchin KMac
Ross Lynch Dusty
Mansell Riewoldt Bolton

Nank Taranto Hopper

IC Prestia, Short, Baker, Ryan

Sub/just outside B22: Young, Clarke, Cumberland, Graham, Miller, M Rioli


Plenty of players able to rotate through the middle or swaps positions. It shows we are really struggling for small forward quality.

Question for you - out of that B22, who do you think Graham is an automatic selection over, considering quality and role/position?

For me this places him somewhere in the 23-26 range currently.

I wouldn’t have him as an ‘automatic’ selection over anyone you’ve listed however I would say I’d prefer him over Pickett in a forward role. Marlion as a fwd hasn’t been working (clutch goal against gws aside) and with kmac and Ross probably occupying the wing spots, I’d have graham in and pickett out.

As an aside I’d also have MRJ in before mansell, neither are contributing much offensively but think juniors pace/pressure/tackling is above mansells. Would also have Miller in ahead of Ryan. I think at this stage of his career if Ryan isn’t no.1 ruck he’s not contributing much as a fwd or tall marking target down the ground. Since nank takes 90% of ruck contests and we just need someone to give him a chop out, I prefer Miller as you can ‘plug and play’ him anywhere on the ground as needed.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: FooffooValve on July 12, 2023, 12:35:03 PM
Ross wouldn't be in as a half forward in my book.

With Graham, nobody is arguing that he's in our top 10 or even 20 players in terms of raw talent, but his selection boils down to more than kicks, clangers, tackles, marks and handballs. It's just a matter of what you value more - hard two-way transition runners (eg KMac and Graham) who give you a chance of outnumbering at more contests, or blokes that can't run as well but might pick up a few more possessions. In the modern game, some coaches prefer the hard runners over others, some prefer the possession gatherers - just depends on your game plan.

What isn't in dispute is that Graham is consistently in the top 3-5 runners on the ground, in terms of speed transitions, repeat sprints and distance covered. If you don't like that sort of stuff, then he's not for you. Fair enough!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 12, 2023, 01:07:57 PM
Except one noticeable thing in our losses and even some wins post-20 is how often we're outnumbered around the ball and the contest. :shh

Also particularly annoying is how often there's only opposition players around a pack getting easy uncontested possessions from the spillages. :banghead
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: lamington on July 12, 2023, 01:40:59 PM
For me it’s more about team balance and that’s where value can fluctuate. On pure talent yes Damo your list stacks up perfectly. If we play geelong or Sydney who prefer to move through the corridor I’d rather have Graham on the team.

Against Collingwood which can burn us on the outside and has Steele Sidebottom who we never tag I’d go with someone with a bit more zip.

I don’t think it’s a bad thing hopper and Taranto squeezed him out in a sense. But I don’t think he is as rubbish as some fans make him out to be. He also doesn’t poo himself in front of goal which is a rare trait in our team right now
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 12, 2023, 02:03:50 PM
Except one noticeable thing in our losses and even some wins post-20 is how often we're outnumbered around the ball and the contest. :shh

Also particularly annoying is how often there's only opposition players around a pack getting easy uncontested possessions from the spillages. :banghead
So is that the players fault or coaching !!!! We've always played that way with an extra behind the ball not at the contest
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 12, 2023, 02:20:09 PM
Didn't say that was Graham's fault but if you're going to argue that runners like him & KMac are there to get from contest to contest and provide an outnumber then that suggests it's not happening to the level required - also playing an extra behind the ball doesn't excuse  constantly not having anyone in position ready to rove a pack or clean up a spillage... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: FooffooValve on July 12, 2023, 05:20:56 PM
Didn't say that was Graham's fault but if you're going to argue that runners like him & KMac are there to get from contest to contest and provide an outnumber then that suggests it's not happening to the level required - also playing an extra behind the ball doesn't excuse  constantly not having anyone in position ready to rove a pack or clean up a spillage... :shh

For the record, Graham didn't play in rounds 5,6 and 7 - three bad losses where we scored 78, 78 and 48 points and lost by an average 28 points across the 3 games, including a terrible loss to GC where we looked outnumbered in just about every contest. Not sure of statistically significant, but there's some facts.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 12, 2023, 05:26:59 PM
Didn't say that was Graham's fault but if you're going to argue that runners like him & KMac are there to get from contest to contest and provide an outnumber then that suggests it's not happening to the level required - also playing an extra behind the ball doesn't excuse  constantly not having anyone in position ready to rove a pack or clean up a spillage... :shh
Well there's no need to stress , these things are all things you will fix when you take over as coach next year.. history will be set, you'll be the first undefeated coach in history. Really looking forward to you taking over
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 12, 2023, 06:33:54 PM
Didn't say that was Graham's fault but if you're going to argue that runners like him & KMac are there to get from contest to contest and provide an outnumber then that suggests it's not happening to the level required - also playing an extra behind the ball doesn't excuse  constantly not having anyone in position ready to rove a pack or clean up a spillage... :shh

For the record, Graham didn't play in rounds 5,6 and 7 - three bad losses where we scored 78, 78 and 48 points and lost by an average 28 points across the 3 games, including a terrible loss to GC where we looked outnumbered in just about every contest. Not sure of statistically significant, but there's some facts.

Didn't realise we've only had three losses this year - clearly the absence of Jack de Castella was the difference. :shh


Well there's no need to stress , these things are all things you will fix when you take over as coach next year.. history will be set, you'll be the first undefeated coach in history. Really looking forward to you taking over

Well the club just couldn't continue being coached from Sicily via Skype.... :shh :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 12, 2023, 06:43:21 PM
Didn't say that was Graham's fault but if you're going to argue that runners like him & KMac are there to get from contest to contest and provide an outnumber then that suggests it's not happening to the level required - also playing an extra behind the ball doesn't excuse  constantly not having anyone in position ready to rove a pack or clean up a spillage... :shh

For the record, Graham didn't play in rounds 5,6 and 7 - three bad losses where we scored 78, 78 and 48 points and lost by an average 28 points across the 3 games, including a terrible loss to GC where we looked outnumbered in just about every contest. Not sure of statistically significant, but there's some facts.

Didn't realise we've only had three losses this year - clearly the absence of Jack de Castella was the difference. :shh


Well there's no need to stress , these things are all things you will fix when you take over as coach next year.. history will be set, you'll be the first undefeated coach in history. Really looking forward to you taking over

Well the club just couldn't continue being coached from Sicily via Skype.... :shh :shh
Coaching is not my gig, I have zero tolerance for stupidity
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 12, 2023, 07:07:43 PM
Well then I just don't know how you can live with yourself... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on July 12, 2023, 07:10:40 PM
Guys get back to the thread topic!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: FooffooValve on July 12, 2023, 10:26:20 PM

Didn't realise we've only had three losses this year - clearly the absence of Jack de Castella was the difference. :shh


You know, sarcasm doesn't really advance your argument.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 13, 2023, 12:53:22 PM

Didn't realise we've only had three losses this year - clearly the absence of Jack de Castella was the difference. :shh


You know, sarcasm doesn't really advance your argument.

It does. :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on July 22, 2023, 05:18:28 PM
Without starting another debate about how good of a player he is.

I thought he was one of our best today  :clapping
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: mightytiges on July 22, 2023, 05:24:52 PM
Graham was a battering ram in the last. Played an important part in our win.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: FooffooValve on July 22, 2023, 05:27:11 PM
Ran his guts out as usual.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Fluffy Tiger on July 22, 2023, 05:36:58 PM
Without starting another debate about how good of a player he is.

I thought he was one of our best today  :clapping
He and McIntosh proved they are important to our side. Don't get the constant call to drop these guys.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 22, 2023, 06:39:50 PM
I thought KMac went missing when they got hold of us in that 2nd q. Was in nomans land when they were scoring heavily.
That’s the reason people want him dropped.
Came good in that second half but I’d rather have a younger player in his role and learning it - who knows, it might be an upgrade.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on July 22, 2023, 08:51:06 PM
Graham had a game high 10 score involvements and our most clearances, equal most inside 50s, total tackles and tackles inside F50. Plus 10 contested possies, 3 goal assists and a goal himself.

21 disposals (15k, 6h, 10c, 12u, 81% eff.)
3 marks
8 tackles (4 F50 tackles)
5 clearances
5 inside 50s
419 metres gained
4 intercepts
10 score involvements
3 goal assists
1 goal
1 behind
87% time on ground
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 22, 2023, 09:09:20 PM
Was excellent today, all game
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on July 22, 2023, 10:19:48 PM
Great game playing a tough role as a forward
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 23, 2023, 02:26:30 AM
Very underrated and undervalued player here. Too many supporters don't see how important he is ..and how good he is
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hart4Jack on July 23, 2023, 11:32:22 AM
Very underrated and undervalued player here. Too many supporters don't see how important he is ..and how good he is

Very true
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on July 23, 2023, 11:34:49 AM
Graham had a game high 10 score involvements and our most clearances, equal most inside 50s, total tackles and tackles inside F50. Plus 10 contested possies, 3 goal assists and a goal himself.

21 disposals (15k, 6h, 10c, 12u, 81% eff.) 15.o
3 marks  2.1
8 tackles (4 F50 tackles) 3.2
5 clearances 1.0
5 inside 50s 2.6 
419 metres gained ??
4 intercepts ??
10 score involvements ??
3 goal assists 0.5
1 goal 0.5
1 behind 0.2
87% time on ground ?


the numbers on the end are what he has averaged in the other games he has played this year.
Only conclusion you can come to is that this last game was game out of the box and not the norm.
I would say if he played to that level most of the time rather than every now and then no one would be complaining.
Its there for all to see why people complain.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Gigantor on July 23, 2023, 01:18:01 PM
Over a few years now RFC has valued players not on sheer numbers ie disposals etc , but on other not as easilly measurable parts of the game , I think this shift was crucial in us winning all those flags.
I remember  a day playing Collingwood where they smashed us in disposals marks etc etc we won by almost 40 points if my memory serves me well
In fact we used take great delight in the phenomena and laugh our heads off at opposition supporters saying no lamenting we dominated disposals , handballs , marks etc yet we lost
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on July 23, 2023, 02:37:07 PM
No doubt we were not a side that relied on blokes racking up huge individual stats, plenty of guys contributed in other ways without getting a lot of the footy. They still do at times.

I find it interesting how poor disposals numbers or a lack of goals etc is a good reason to say Jack Ross, Noah Cumberland and a few others should be dropped if they have a low stats game. However, if it's a certain few blokes they are just "playing their role".

For the record, Jacky boy was good yesterday.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 23, 2023, 02:38:50 PM
His 1 in 6 - let's see how he goes next week against a top 4 side... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on July 23, 2023, 04:56:42 PM
Should be captain instead of Nankervis.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on July 23, 2023, 05:07:43 PM
Oh dear
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 23, 2023, 06:08:49 PM
Should be captain instead of Nankervis.

 :joker
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on July 23, 2023, 06:20:37 PM
 :biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on July 23, 2023, 07:46:56 PM
:biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh

Surely they are taking the pee

No one could be that stupid to actually mean it
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on July 24, 2023, 10:31:24 AM
Over a few years now RFC has valued players not on sheer numbers ie disposals etc , but on other not as easilly measurable parts of the game , I think this shift was crucial in us winning all those flags.
I remember  a day playing Collingwood where they smashed us in disposals marks etc etc we won by almost 40 points if my memory serves me well
In fact we used take great delight in the phenomena and laugh our heads off at opposition supporters saying no lamenting we dominated disposals , handballs , marks etc yet we lost

The stats say it all.hard to be a part of a debate where everyone including me is congratulating him on a good game at a level he should be at everyweek given his age and experience.But when that drops away to a much lower level and people complain about his games which at times are very ordinary its down to his role a lot of two bob each way with some.

A simple question what would  people and in the particular the club want most games like saturdays or the indifferent form we get most weeks.
Its funny without being in the inner sanctum people are always talking about player roles every time a player has a bad game its his role there is never a poor game.
I think the club have got supporters suckered into this kind of thinking.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on July 30, 2023, 10:40:46 PM
Butchered the ball the whole game especially inside 50.  :banghead
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on July 30, 2023, 10:59:35 PM
Butchered the ball the whole game especially inside 50.  :banghead

Bit harsh

He got 6 coaches votes last week
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on July 30, 2023, 11:26:30 PM
I've been very supportive of fridge all year, but he was shocking. Worst game I've seen him play
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on July 30, 2023, 11:33:39 PM
Its what us detractors complain about. Far too many poor  games mixed in with a few games like last week.  if people could just be honest with themselves last week was what he needs to bring every week.

He will have a poor game  again next week and the week after and the oh hes playing his role excuse will be trotted out like it is when any of our players have bad games.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on August 04, 2023, 10:56:49 PM
This bloke stank it up tonight. Wasn't alone but geez he was poor
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 05, 2023, 12:33:51 AM
This bloke stank it up tonight. Wasn't alone but geez he was poor

He got coaches votes two weeks ago
Take it easy Andyy
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on August 05, 2023, 12:45:26 AM
Slow, fumbles and is useless - dud delist
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on August 05, 2023, 12:47:25 AM
This bloke stank it up tonight. Wasn't alone but geez he was poor

He got coaches votes two weeks ago
Take it easy Andyy

Got more coaches votes than he's had possessions since. :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on August 05, 2023, 02:19:13 AM
Pathetic effort. Should have stood up given 2 senior mids were out.

A battler who won’t take us forward and is keeping a kid from getting a game
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: wayne on August 05, 2023, 07:13:01 AM
Hopefully Dimma loves him that much he will offer something crazy for him
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: camboon on August 05, 2023, 10:21:11 AM
Very inconsistent , missed his opportunity to stand up , no excuses unless he was injured
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 05, 2023, 10:22:21 AM
Pathetic effort. Should have stood up given 2 senior mids were out.

A battler who won’t take us forward and is keeping a kid from getting a game

Bit hard to stand up in the middle when they had him playing HFF for the so much of the game

But agree he had a shocker.

Actually it's hard to find any one who didn't have a shocker
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on August 05, 2023, 10:40:08 AM
Ross and Banks were the only highlights for me. The rest had stinkers.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on August 05, 2023, 10:44:20 AM
And Coulthard showed glimpses of what he can deliver. A small positive.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 05, 2023, 12:33:33 PM
Ross and Banks were the only highlights for me. The rest had stinkers.

We needed more from you
That’s for sure
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on August 05, 2023, 02:44:56 PM
His tradeable fullstop.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 05, 2023, 04:00:20 PM
His tradeable fullstop.

Would get stuff all for him

The saddest part , he tries so hard and gets the most from himself .. and clearly a loved clubman

Problem is he is a slow plodder with average skills

I’d keep him if he’s getting paid minimal .. can’t all be champions with a salary cap in place


Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 05, 2023, 04:01:27 PM
His tradeable fullstop.

Would get stuff all for him

The saddest part , he tries so hard and gets the most from himself .. and clearly a loved clubman

Problem is he is a slow plodder with average skills

I’d keep him if he’s getting paid minimal .. can’t all be champions with a salary cap in place

Yep.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on August 05, 2023, 04:25:52 PM
How many forget how important he was during our successful years and during finals games .
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on August 05, 2023, 05:07:45 PM
So was George - that was then this is now. :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 05, 2023, 05:52:11 PM
So was George - that was then this is now. :shh

Townsend was also pretty important in 2017

Oh how they forget
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on August 06, 2023, 09:18:21 PM
Will this week be a good week for him. Or will the mediocrity continue. Me thinks its a bit early for him to have a good game so the expectation is more mediocrity.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on August 10, 2023, 11:42:31 AM
Okay who would agree that Jack Graham because of limitations should play primarily as an inside mid.I think most would agree with that.

Every now and then he has popped up and kicked a goal here and a goal there but again i think most would agree he is not a fwd.
Simply put he is not a defender too many limitations.

To play imo he must play as an inside mid and be good at what all that implies. For me there are way too many better small inside mids at other clubs so we need an upgrade if we are to compete.

Most clubs will go with one or two small inside mids and then surround them with bigger mids.
I looked at similar sized mids 183cm and under who play mostly inside or win plenty of contested ball and clearances with good disposal and tackle numbers.These to me are the prerequisites to play inside.

When doing this exercise it becomes clear we need an upgrade on Jack Graham. I would go even further and say with Prestia and Bolton as mids we do not need another small inside mid who is just very average in the role. we need to surround those two with bigger mids like most sides do.

If we are to play another small  mid he must have a very good outside game to go with it which Graham does not.

We really should be looking to trade him and we should be proactive in trying to find the next Prestia.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on August 13, 2023, 07:33:16 PM
How'd you go today Machine Man? Were you even out there? Think I might've seen someone trailing ten metres behind the Saints ball carriers a few times and losing ground- just assumed it was you... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on August 13, 2023, 07:38:36 PM
Quote from: Diocletianlink=topic=25589.msg755770#msg755770 date=1691919196
How'd you go today Machine Man? Were you even out there? Think I might've seen someone trailing ten metres behind the Saints ball carriers a few times and losing ground- just assumed it was you... :shh


What a sad piece of crap you are. You seriously require professional treatment as you’re not right in the brain, that is if you have a brain. You’re not funny you’re embarrassing yourself whilst looking for recognition. Must be sad being you.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on August 13, 2023, 07:45:10 PM
I'm having a ball - much like your opponents do most weeks.... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on August 13, 2023, 07:50:04 PM
Needs to be dropped badly
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on August 13, 2023, 07:56:35 PM
 :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on August 13, 2023, 08:02:44 PM
Thats three shizen games in a row since his last decent game and then you have to go back forever to find a good game before that.

Posters lose all credability when they cannot for a second bring themselves to criticise a favorite player even for a second.

Cmon Machine just be truthful.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 13, 2023, 08:09:49 PM
If machine or anyone thinks Graham isnt finished or at least in the short term needs to be dropped then they are delusional. I would be worried if machine is employed by the club and feels that Graham provides anything these days on a consistent basis.







Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on August 13, 2023, 08:13:18 PM
Fridge like 20 others tonight had their pants pulled. Next!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on August 13, 2023, 08:14:28 PM
Said it last year his tradeable wakeup  :banghead
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on August 13, 2023, 08:38:49 PM
Fridge like 20 others tonight had their pants pulled. Next!
Love how others playing poorly justifies not dropping Graham in your book.

Plays poo footy pretty often but hey so do others do who cares right
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 13, 2023, 09:51:27 PM
We've been very lenient with regard to some of the posts in this thread, probably way too lenient

So I am only going to say this once. There has been and continues to be alot of clear baiting and trolling in this thread. It stops tonight.

Disagree with another poster no issue but the constant sniping and baits stop now. Stick to the topic and debate it on its merits

 :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 13, 2023, 09:52:34 PM
Going backwards quickly. A worry given he should be coming into his peak years.
Reckon his best years were 3 or 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 13, 2023, 10:21:16 PM
Going backwards quickly. A worry given he should be coming into his peak years.
Reckon his best years were 3 or 4 years ago.

Yep
Just a very average foot soldier
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 13, 2023, 10:36:37 PM
Only positive from Jack's game today was along with Taranto and Nank was that they led our tackle count.

The 3 of them had 7 each.

That between them they made up 37.5% of our total tackles sums up where our attack on the contest sits

Apart from the 7 tackles he was poor
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 13, 2023, 10:50:12 PM
Only positive from Jack's game today was along with Taranto and Nank was that they led our tackle count.

The 3 of them had 7 each.

That between them they made up 37.5% of our total tackles sums up where our attack on the contest sits

Apart from the 7 tackles he was poor

At one stage he had 4 tackles and 4 possessions

This happens because he runs like he’s stuck on a treadmill .. he is second to the ball constantly .. not his fault he’s slow

Now before Machine starts to defend his high speed

The problem is he's a locomotive .. he takes time to get rolling , and that’s not ideal in a sport like AFL
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on August 13, 2023, 10:54:28 PM
I must admit I’ve been a huge fan of Graham but he has been very poor lately. Even his tackling has been poor compared to what we saw in the past.
Too many broken tackles nowadays.

It’s a shame that even our best tacklers are struggling to land effective tackles that kill possession and create turnovers.  It just doesn’t happen now. It’s frustrating to see how much the standards have fallen off nowadays  :help
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 13, 2023, 11:09:37 PM
Not specific to the graham debate, but I don’t buy into the fact that some players tackling numbers are inflated because they are slow and second to the ball. There are plenty of slow players who aren’t high volume tacklers and there are plenty speedy players that are.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 14, 2023, 07:23:16 AM
Reminder 👇👇👇👇👇

We've been very lenient with regard to some of the posts in this thread, probably way too lenient

So I am only going to say this once. There has been and continues to be alot of clear baiting and trolling in this thread. It stops tonight.

Disagree with another poster no issue but the constant sniping and baits stop now. Stick to the topic and debate it on its merits

 :banghead :banghead

What I've just edited and removed is exactly what I was referring too. Stick to the topic, keep the baiting of other posters out of the discussion

Can we make it any clearer
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on August 14, 2023, 09:31:25 AM
I’m just not sure where his best position is… you’d think inside mid but I just don’t know if he has the speed and power to compete against the likes of Oliver, Cripps, Petracca, Neale, the list goes on.
Might be a sign it’s worth looking at a trade
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Willy on August 14, 2023, 09:31:57 AM
Trade bait for mine.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 14, 2023, 09:49:58 AM
Trade bait for mine.

Would we get anything for him ?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on August 14, 2023, 10:46:18 AM
Reminder 👇👇👇👇👇

We've been very lenient with regard to some of the posts in this thread, probably way too lenient

So I am only going to say this once. There has been and continues to be alot of clear baiting and trolling in this thread. It stops tonight.

Disagree with another poster no issue but the constant sniping and baits stop now. Stick to the topic and debate it on its merits

 :banghead :banghead

What I've just edited and removed is exactly what I was referring too. Stick to the topic, keep the baiting of other posters out of the discussion

Can we make it any clearer

LMAO -didn't even mention another poster in the post you removed -dunno how merely questioning Graham's alleged top speed is "baiting" just because it might trigger certain people. - yet you've still left at least one abusive post towards me up. (not that I care because I thought it was hilarious but  at least show some consistency or get a new job as an AFL umpire.)   :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Willy on August 14, 2023, 10:53:07 AM
Trade bait for mine.

Would we get anything for him ?

Not sure. Dangle the bait out and see.

Our midfield is too slow and Hopper and TT are locked in on long deals with big money.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 14, 2023, 10:58:29 AM
Trade bait for mine.

Would we get anything for him ?

Not sure. Dangle the bait out and see.

Our midfield is too slow and Hopper and TT are locked in on long deals with big money.

Agree
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on August 14, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
Apart from his two premiership medals and finals performances, I'd imagine his work ethic and much vaunted leadership qualities would be the main thing that would attract any potential suitors. :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: lamington on August 14, 2023, 11:46:23 AM
I think age and time is catching up with him. I’m still a massive fan of him and think his poor output is a byproduct of our poorly executed game plan (whatever that is).

His positive traits for mine is he normally sticks his tackles and when delivering ball inside 50 or lining up for goal he usually kicks it to our advantage. But he can’t get the pill nearly enough these days. I don’t know if he could be used like a Jacob Townsend like defensive forward as last roll of the dice or we just bite the bullet and say with 6-6-6 and the stand rule the game has moved passed him.

I love this guy to bits and I’ll salute his 2019 PF and 2017 goal haul forever
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 14, 2023, 03:53:16 PM
I think age and time is catching up with him. I’m still a massive fan of him and think his poor output is a byproduct of our poorly executed game plan (whatever that is).

His positive traits for mine is he normally sticks his tackles and when delivering ball inside 50 or lining up for goal he usually kicks it to our advantage. But he can’t get the pill nearly enough these days. I don’t know if he could be used like a Jacob Townsend like defensive forward as last roll of the dice or we just bite the bullet and say with 6-6-6 and the stand rule the game has moved passed him.

I love this guy to bits and I’ll salute his 2019 PF and 2017 goal haul forever

Age and time catching up with him ?
He is 25yo, what absolute BS

The 2017 and 2019 parts I agree a million percent
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: FooffooValve on August 14, 2023, 04:13:52 PM
He'll be better next year if he can get a full preseason in. He's missed a fair chunk of the past two preseasons IIRC, a bad hammy and this year the toe. He's one of our hardest workers but has let himself down this year with poor kicking.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on August 15, 2023, 11:01:12 PM
He is a liability as a mid and he certainly isn't a fwd.Yet we play him in these roles.

Not many say it but our midfield stocks are dire and Graham is a part of the problem.

Our best 5 mids by some margin after retirements.
Vets
Martin 32 187/87 still playing good footy but alas even he is not the player he once was.Yet we are are still heavily reliant on him.
Prestia 32 175/84 Im gunna be real  kind and say his season was servicable. Truth is he is in serious decline. One more year will probably see him out.

Prime
Hopper 27  187/87 a very servicable inside mid but needs pace around him and a injury free run at it imo.
Taranto 26 188/87 Another big inside mid and currently our best mid.
Bolton 25  175/77 Our x factor mid only behind Tarranto and is also our best small fwd.

Mature
Graham 26 181/82  very ordinary mid. We also play him elsewhere often
Short 28 178/78 not a mids a hole. we play him elsewhere often for good reason.
Baker 26 173/72 hate to bag this guy so i won't, but i will say he is just average as a mid. Also he plays other roles often.
Ross 23 187/85 should not put him here because we just dont play him as a contested mid but a winger. Reckon he would be okay in the role.

Juniors
Sonsie 20 181/?? God knows whats going on with him. Cant get a game in front of the 4 above as a mid spells trouble.
Green 20 179/76 have not seen much but what i have seen have grave doubts. Also we call him a mid but was more a defender.
Dow 22  183/83 Cannot get a game in front of non mids.
Campbell 19  182/74 actually like this kid but he is a fwd first who can go thru the midfield.

That is imo dire. Take the two 32 year olds out and there is just three good consistent mids. Also the lack of bigger taller mids is mindboggling, only Ross outside of  dusty and the two in the prime bracket at 187cm can be called a big mid and he plays wing. No big mid younger than 23 or 26 if you exclude Ross.It just does not make sense. The numbers are also a big concern.

Playing Jack Graham does nothing to alleviate any of the midfield problems we have going fwd imo.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: lamington on August 16, 2023, 12:52:42 AM
I think age and time is catching up with him. I’m still a massive fan of him and think his poor output is a byproduct of our poorly executed game plan (whatever that is).

His positive traits for mine is he normally sticks his tackles and when delivering ball inside 50 or lining up for goal he usually kicks it to our advantage. But he can’t get the pill nearly enough these days. I don’t know if he could be used like a Jacob Townsend like defensive forward as last roll of the dice or we just bite the bullet and say with 6-6-6 and the stand rule the game has moved passed him.

I love this guy to bits and I’ll salute his 2019 PF and 2017 goal haul forever

Age and time catching up with him ?
He is 25yo, what absolute BS

The 2017 and 2019 parts I agree a million percent

I forget he’s like Cunnington and just looked old even when he was 18! My bad. Ok he should still be running games out. But then not everyone’s body is built to play into their 30s. Out of context example but Dan hannerbury for example? Peaked really early then body broke down fast
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on August 17, 2023, 09:43:23 PM
Not specific to the graham debate, but I don’t buy into the fact that some players tackling numbers are inflated because they are slow and second to the ball. There are plenty of slow players who aren’t high volume tacklers and there are plenty speedy players that are.

In Grahams case its true though. Its simple he is regularly second to the ball !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 27, 2023, 09:26:22 PM
'Looking forward to next year, we want to be playing September footy' - Graham.

WATCH HERE: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1417639/looking-forward-to-next-year-we-want-to-be-playing-september-footy-graham
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on August 27, 2023, 11:03:38 PM
I'm sure Port or the Swans will be.... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 28, 2023, 07:23:35 AM
Hope so Dio. He played his role in our flag years, but now he is just a really average passenger.

I've had enough of him. He can take HRS and Pickett with him as well.


Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: georgies31 on August 28, 2023, 09:19:14 AM
First hard call to make trade.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: MintOnLamb on August 28, 2023, 09:20:44 AM
I think you guys are missing what his role is.
He is a keeper for me
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on August 28, 2023, 10:08:22 AM
I think you guys are missing what his role is.
He is a keeper for me

Resident good guy?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on August 28, 2023, 08:54:08 PM
I think you guys are missing what his role is.
He is a keeper for me
Yeah well tell us exactly what his role is. While your at it tell us what his attributes are for the role.

You could pluck just about any good player out of the vfl to perform a singular role.  Ie sml fwd for nothing more than fwd pressure.
The reality is you really have to be aiming for much more than that.You want a small fwd who has a goal sense, is QUICK, applies pressure and hurts when he gets the ball in  hand. Why are we not aiming for more than just a singular role player.

Not many here would argue he either plays fwd  or he plays midfield. Again what are the outstanding attributes that would suggest he can dominate in either role or for that matter CONSISTENTLY PLAY WELL. AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU NEED MORE THAN JUST ONE GOOD ATTRIBUTE.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: TigerLand on August 28, 2023, 09:39:28 PM
I'll always love Jack Graham that is. But unfortunately this part of the rebuild he's in that mould where you have to make a call and lose an asset to acquire an asset.

I'd explore grade options for Graham and get into the draft. He's a good player and heart on sleeve type. Can never forget his 2019 prelim heroics. But ultimately isn't a player I'd be looking to keep for next phase. He'd get a decent 2 rounder I believe. Could swap Jack and our 2nd which would be a decent pick for a late 1st rounder.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on August 29, 2023, 07:40:00 AM
He's an average player and hasn't really improved much beyond his first season or two.

Trade if we can get anything valuable for him.

Doesn't mean I don't appreciate his service.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on August 29, 2023, 12:25:19 PM
Well said boys.

Great fella and a good contributor to our success in 17-20. Next year is 2024 though and he's had a few lean years.

Time to move him on. Badly
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: MintOnLamb on August 29, 2023, 01:27:29 PM
I think you guys are missing what his role is.
He is a keeper for me
Yeah well tell us exactly what his role is. While your at it tell us what his attributes are for the role.

You could pluck just about any good player out of the vfl to perform a singular role.  Ie sml fwd for nothing more than fwd pressure.
The reality is you really have to be aiming for much more than that.You want a small fwd who has a goal sense, is QUICK, applies pressure and hurts when he gets the ball in  hand. Why are we not aiming for more than just a singular role player.

Not many here would argue he either plays fwd  or he plays midfield. Again what are the outstanding attributes that would suggest he can dominate in either role or for that matter CONSISTENTLY PLAY WELL. AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU NEED MORE THAN JUST ONE GOOD ATTRIBUTE.
OK Claw, I’ll give it a crack, my observations on Jack is that he is tough, does not shirk a contest, is accountable, has good tackling stats and skills, performs well under pressure, is pretty good on his one per enters and reads the game well.
He may not get a game at other clubs but his experience and our injuries, plus waiting on the new batch of players coming through I think, means that we will be needing him next year.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 30, 2023, 04:51:50 PM
The time to trade him and get value was last season. This post season, it will be our 3rd rounder for insert mediocre team here’s 2nd rounder.
At best.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on August 30, 2023, 09:39:20 PM
Jack Graham to GCS as a part of a deal to get their first round pick.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on September 03, 2023, 12:36:30 AM
Congratulations to Jack & Jordy! (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f970.svg) (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f48d.svg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5ANNbbbMAALIKz?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1697871589147357515
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 03, 2023, 09:16:23 AM
Congrats Machine
Done well mate
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on September 03, 2023, 01:49:58 PM
Congrats Machine
Done well mate


Makes it even harder to understand why he spends so much time here... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 03, 2023, 05:43:03 PM
Congrats Machine
Done well mate

This just isn’t funny. It is embarrassing.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 03, 2023, 06:42:01 PM
Congrats Machine
Done well mate

This just isn’t funny. It is embarrassing.
we are as confused as you are in regards to AFL players frequenting forums
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 03, 2023, 08:03:21 PM
Congrats Machine
Done well mate

This just isn’t funny. It is embarrassing.
we are as confused as you are in regards to AFL players frequenting forums

 :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 03, 2023, 09:13:09 PM
It is a childish and embarrassing joke. Amusing yourselves and noone else. Cringy stuff lads. I am genuinely amazed you are still posting it.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 03, 2023, 09:28:53 PM
Jack Graham to GCS as a part of a deal to get their first round pick.

Where do I sign?

Il take pick 20 for him.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on September 03, 2023, 10:16:57 PM
Jack Graham to GCS as a part of a deal to get their first round pick.

Where do I sign?

Il take pick 20 for him.

He would be good steak knives. To get their first we only need a pile of late picks to offer them for their first.They will desperately be wanting to trade their first rounder for picks to get acadamy picks across the line.
I mention him at GCS because he was a Hardwick favorite he could help us get back into the early part of the draft.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 04, 2023, 11:41:26 AM
It is a childish and embarrassing joke. Amusing yourselves and noone else. Cringy stuff lads. I am genuinely amazed you are still posting it.

You’ll survive
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 04, 2023, 11:46:24 AM
It is a childish and embarrassing joke. Amusing yourselves and noone else. Cringy stuff lads. I am genuinely amazed you are still posting it.

You’ll survive

 :lol
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 04, 2023, 08:49:24 PM
It is a childish and embarrassing joke. Amusing yourselves and noone else. Cringy stuff lads. I am genuinely amazed you are still posting it.

You’ll survive

I don’t really care. It’s just so awkward how unfunny it is. You can’t unsee it.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: 1965 on September 05, 2023, 02:24:46 AM
It is a childish and embarrassing joke. Amusing yourselves and noone else. Cringy stuff lads. I am genuinely amazed you are still posting it.

You’ll survive

I don’t really care. It’s just so awkward how unfunny it is. You can’t unsee it.
Not awkward just sad.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 05, 2023, 05:43:12 AM
The joke must go?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 05, 2023, 06:33:52 AM
It is a childish and embarrassing joke. Amusing yourselves and noone else. Cringy stuff lads. I am genuinely amazed you are still posting it.

You’ll survive

I don’t really care. It’s just so awkward how unfunny it is. You can’t unsee it.
Not awkward just sad.

 :lol

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on September 05, 2023, 01:17:24 PM
The joke must go?

Must Go #IStandwithTheMachine :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 05, 2023, 01:31:51 PM
The joke must go?

Must Go #IStandwithTheMachine :shh

#DioStandsWithFridge
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on September 05, 2023, 01:34:37 PM
The joke must go?

Must Go #IStandwithTheMachine :shh

#DioStandsWithFridge

#FridgeyDidge :shh :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on September 05, 2023, 04:42:53 PM

Not awkward just sad.

Sorry to have upset you

I understand it's hard realising what's happening outside of football

You will be ok in time

#SneezyMustGo #OorooAlbo
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on December 19, 2023, 07:21:38 PM
Word is, "that is" is having a ripper pre season #GoTiges

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBrUEOnbUAAW14L?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Jonesracing82/status/1736933777920942173
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on December 19, 2023, 08:44:41 PM
Hopefully the magical pace gods have blessed Machine with a quicker first two steps

Otherwise, meh

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: MintOnLamb on December 19, 2023, 09:13:29 PM
Hopefully the magical pace gods have blessed Machine with a quicker first two steps

Otherwise, meh
How’s your off season training going Damo?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on December 19, 2023, 11:46:53 PM
Hopefully the magical pace gods have blessed Machine with a quicker first two steps

Otherwise, meh
How’s your off season training going Damo?

Going great mate
Sitting in the Philippines enjoying an icy cold San Mig while watching FoxFooty on IPTV

At the age of 44 and about 44kg above my best playing weight .. but don’t stress, nothing a solid pre season won’t fix
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: MintOnLamb on December 20, 2023, 06:58:25 AM
Hopefully the magical pace gods have blessed Machine with a quicker first two steps

Otherwise, meh
How’s your off season training going Damo?

Going great mate
Sitting in the Philippines enjoying an icy cold San Mig while watching FoxFooty on IPTV

At the age of 44 and about 44kg above my best playing weight .. but don’t stress, nothing a solid pre season won’t fix
Well done😃
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on January 23, 2024, 10:47:01 PM
'Built a strong platform over the pre-season' - Graham

Jack Graham speaks with media at Richmond's open training session at Holm Park Reserve.

Click on pic/link to watch:
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2024/01/23/39ab3410-1554-4ae3-a6bf-b302d19fe299/kjhkkwx8.jpg?width=1240) (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1482761/built-a-strong-platform-over-the-pre-season-graham)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1482761/built-a-strong-platform-over-the-pre-season-graham

--------

Meanwhile Graham is enjoying one of his most consistent pre-seasons in recent times after a run of injury-hampered summers, and said everyone at the club was thrilled with the "good vibe" new coach Adem Yze had brought.

The former Melbourne assistant coach was appointed as the permanent successor to triple premiership coach Damien Hardwick in September and had already brought about some welcome change at Tigerland.

"The club's in a really good spot, and 'Ooze' (Yze) has come in and brought a really good vibe and everyone's up and about," he said.

"'Ziebs' (assistant coach Jack Ziebell) and 'Newy' (assistant coach Chris Newman) as well, just the fresh faces and new terminology, the boys are really learning and hooking into it and once we continue to build and show it out on the field, it's going to be exciting."

Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/1073599/richmond-tigers-spearhead-tom-lynch-takes-another-step-on-road-to-recovery)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on February 25, 2024, 04:56:05 PM
26 today, @jackmgraham_ that is!

Happy birthday, Fridge 🎂 :birthday

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHIhrpAaEAAdsuw?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1761507443832746215

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on February 25, 2024, 09:30:28 PM
Is he training the house down?

Putting on lots of muscle?

Best preseason in years?

Setting new PBs?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: lamington on February 26, 2024, 11:41:45 PM
He came 3rd in our 2km time trial if I recall correctly?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on February 27, 2024, 07:47:13 AM
Spud.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: MintOnLamb on February 27, 2024, 06:20:34 PM
Spud.

… ? you?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Knighter on February 27, 2024, 07:43:48 PM
Spud.

… ? you?

Have you watched him play.  Fumbles when he does get the ball and is always jogging along 5m behind his opponent whilst he runs around doing what he likes.   
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 27, 2024, 09:12:39 PM
Spud and finished. Be lucky to play 5 games this year

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: MintOnLamb on February 27, 2024, 09:13:51 PM
Spud.

… ? you?

Have you watched him play.  Fumbles when he does get the ball and is always jogging along 5m behind his opponent whilst he runs around doing what he likes.
Will take that on board, let’s see
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on February 27, 2024, 09:28:25 PM
injured in the last minute....

(https://media1.tenor.com/m/nwoJ4BS0XHYAAAAC/oh-no-anyway.gif)
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Simonator on February 27, 2024, 09:49:47 PM
Have seen enough of Jack Graham
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on February 28, 2024, 09:11:23 PM
Graham injury update

Scans have confirmed that midfielder Jack Graham suffered a moderate quad strain in the final stages of last night’s Charity Shield match.

By Richmond Media
7 hrs ago

Scans have confirmed that midfielder Jack Graham suffered a moderate quad strain in the final stages of last night’s Charity Shield match at Ikon Park.

The injury will rule Graham out for the next 3-5 weeks


https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1497103/graham-injury-update
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on February 28, 2024, 09:26:13 PM
Should have traded him when he had currency
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: the claw on February 29, 2024, 09:06:24 PM
Not being nasty but in many ways a blessing in disguise. Trouble is i have little faith they will bring in a junior who has pace and good ball use.
Nope we have so many slow plodders like him they will just replace him with an underwhelming role player who has been there probably too long.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on February 29, 2024, 09:22:21 PM
Should have traded him when he had currency

When do we ever do that?  :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on March 28, 2024, 12:21:28 AM
FLAG TIGER TO DELAY TALKS

– Riley Beveridge
afl.com.au
27 March 2024


RICHMOND midfielder Jack Graham is prepared to wait through the season before kickstarting talks on his next contract, as the club's dual premiership player weighs up his free agency decision.

The South Australian, who won flags at the Tigers in 2017 and 2020, has missed the start of the season with a quad injury but remains one of the League's most high-profile free agents this year.

Graham toured Port Adelaide's facilities when he was still under contract with Richmond back in October 2022, but opted to remain at Punt Road and then hit a trigger in his deal early last season that took him through to free agency.

But with the Tigers expected to undergo a transition in their list profile under new coach Adem Yze, both the player and the club have agreed to hold off talks over his next contract until later in the campaign.

"He's a quality player and at the moment, we're just going to see how it all unfolds," Graham's manager Marty Pask from Kapital Sports Group told AFL.com.au's trade and draft show Gettable last week.

"Richmond's in an interesting position, with the list and where they're at. They've got a couple of older guys and they're starting to play some youth as well.

"We've obviously met and agreed just to take a breath and look at how the season starts for everybody, then we'll kick the tyres a little bit more on that in the next little while."

Despite the decision to delay talks around Graham's future into the season, Pask said there remained an understanding from both parties regarding his situation.

"It's the preparedness now for club and player to actually not panic and just say, 'Hey it is your free agency year so how do we attack this and what does it look like?'" Pask said.

"I've done deals with [Richmond list manager] Blair Hartley for a very long time, so there's certainly nothing there that's untoward or anything that should surprise anyone, other than we're looking at this as his free agency year.

"Where is Richmond at? What do they want to do? And what does Jack Graham want to do and where is he at? Both parties talk through that."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1095383/inside-trading-irish-cat-re-signs-swan-in-talks-giant-decision-looms
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on March 28, 2024, 12:48:22 AM
Who cares

Ooroo
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on March 28, 2024, 12:52:40 AM
ta ta.... :wave
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on March 28, 2024, 01:00:53 AM
ta ta.... :wave

Yep
Eff off back home
Which is exactly what he wants to do
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 28, 2024, 05:55:08 AM
Hasn't wanted to be here for years.

Served us in our flag years, but is a serious list clogger now.

See ya
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on March 28, 2024, 07:27:38 AM
Thanks and bye.

Would take a R2
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on March 28, 2024, 10:13:35 AM
Hasn't wanted to be here for years.

Served us in our flag years, but is a serious list clogger now.

See ya
Has he told you this personally has he?
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: FooffooValve on March 28, 2024, 10:31:22 AM
Have always been a Fridge fan - he's exactly the kind of player that premiership teams need: dedicated role player that happily sacrifices possessions, personal glory etc etc for the good of his teammates. And he has a fantastic tank which has kept him in the side for years. He's been absolutely crucial to our defensive running patterns and structure for a long time.

On the flip side, if he comes back from injury and has a good year, then I'd look at a trade. But not if he has an injury-riddled bad year. I'd hold then for one more year until his trade value bounces. No point trading premiership role players for peanuts.

Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on March 28, 2024, 01:45:11 PM
Played some decent footy as a young bloke being supported by superstars. Now that they're gone, it's caught him out.

Will always respect him for his efforts in his early years, especially the prelim in 2019 but it is time to go.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on March 28, 2024, 02:17:03 PM
Thanks and bye.

Would take a R2

R2 would be us making out like bandits

Would DEFINITELY take that
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Andyy on March 28, 2024, 02:18:54 PM
7 years in the system as a midfielder and has never managed to average 20 touches for a year.

Have always liked the way he goes about it but obviously the gap between his best and his normal is far too great.

Reminds me of Conca a bit. Nice bloke, bit of skill, but largely average at everything with no great talent in anything specific.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on March 28, 2024, 07:17:47 PM
Maybe he is playing the role required.. we have never been a high possession team for years. Every player has his role.Dimma praised fridge many many times for for what role he played. One thing is for sure , he is our only player that knows how to tackle!
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on March 28, 2024, 08:08:33 PM
Needs to be able catch blokes to tackle them....btw how well have we gone over the last three seasons with blokes like Graham "playing their roles"? :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: The Machine on March 28, 2024, 08:55:17 PM
Quote from: Diocletianlink=topic=25589.msg766253#msg766253 date=1711616913
Needs to be able catch blokes to tackle them....btw how well have we gone over the last three seasons with blokes like Graham "playing their roles"? :shh


Not great but it worked to win 3 flags  :snidegrin
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on March 28, 2024, 09:31:36 PM
Needs to be able catch blokes to tackle them....btw how well have we gone over the last three seasons with blokes like Graham "playing their roles"? :shh


When sprinting, he looks like he is running in a sumo suit
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on March 28, 2024, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Diocletianlink=topic=25589.msg766253#msg766253 date=1711616913
Needs to be able catch blokes to tackle them....btw how well have we gone over the last three seasons with blokes like Graham "playing their roles"? :shh


Not great but it worked to win 3 flags  :snidegrin

Cool story bro ...should try and coax George out of retirement while we're at it..... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on March 28, 2024, 10:35:10 PM
Have always been a Fridge fan - he's exactly the kind of player that premiership teams need: dedicated role player that happily sacrifices possessions, personal glory etc etc for the good of his teammates. And he has a fantastic tank which has kept him in the side for years. He's been absolutely crucial to our defensive running patterns and structure for a long time.

On the flip side, if he comes back from injury and has a good year, then I'd look at a trade. But not if he has an injury-riddled bad year. I'd hold then for one more year until his trade value bounces. No point trading premiership role players for peanuts.

He’s out of contract at seasons end.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on March 28, 2024, 11:04:02 PM
Jack isn't as slow as many of you exaggerate that he is, and you all seem to forget how important he was . Amazing how you all target him yet say nothing about Grimes. He has been pathetic for 3 year now.
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on March 28, 2024, 11:09:15 PM
Jack isn't as slow as many of you exaggerate that he is, and you all seem to forget how important he was .

LMAO - The Machine hack your account? Bloke's slower than an Andrew Tate fan.... :shh

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Amazing how you all target him yet say nothing about Grimes. He has been pathetic for 3 year now.

Wtf are you on about? Grimes has been copping plenty of criticism if not for 3 years for at least the last 12 months... :shh :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on March 28, 2024, 11:40:41 PM
Jack isn't as slow as many of you exaggerate that he is, and you all seem to forget how important he was .

LMAO - The Machine hack your account? Bloke's slower than an Andrew Tate fan.... :shh

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Amazing how you all target him yet say nothing about Grimes. He has been pathetic for 3 year now.

Wtf are you on about? Grimes has been copping plenty of criticism if not for 3 years for at least the last 12 months... :shh :shh

So many assumptions, says more about you than me. Maybe Jack rejected you, you're just very bitter about it. Sounds about right to me
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Diocletian on March 29, 2024, 12:01:34 AM
Yes - told me he prefers Italians because they put out.... :shh
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Damo on March 29, 2024, 02:12:53 AM
Not great but it worked to win 3 flags  :snidegrin

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Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on March 29, 2024, 07:32:17 AM
Yes - told me he prefers Italians because they put out.... :shh

Must have good taste then
Title: Re: Jack Graham that is [merged]
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on March 29, 2024, 08:12:30 AM
Not great but it worked to win 3 flags  :snidegrin

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But he was vital in the other one