One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 12, 2016, 10:52:52 AM
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Way way early to talk about this but GWS has a number of high profile players coming out of contract next year.
Dylan Shiel, 23
Jonathon Patton, 23
Devon Smith, 23
Josh Kelly, 21
Jacob Hopper, 19
Zac Williams, 22
Adam Tomlinson, 23
Matt Kennedy, 19
Harrison Himmelberg, 20
Matt Buntine, 23
Adam Kennedy, 24
Jeremy Finlayson, 20
Steve Johnson, 33
Dawson Simpson, 27
Rookies
Sam Reid, 27
Daniel Lloyd, 24
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-12/contract-crunch-giants-face-challenge-to-resign-fantastic-five
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Get them all
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Get them all
Are you SOS? :lol
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One of Patton & Tomlinson, one of Kelly & Shiel and Stevie J. assistant coach thanks. Hooper best of the rest (actually Smith is but we have enough bloody smalls).
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Patton and Tomlinson for Dusty
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Both Patton & Tomlinson hitting their straps this year would have their managers asking for a decent pay increase.
Kelly I would think be asking for more as well and will have plenty of clubs asking about him.
Hopper & Matt Kennedy would be good targets as I highly doubt GWS will be throwing the big dollars their way just yet.
My bet is at least 3 off that list to end up at the Blues.
If I had to target 1 of them then I'd go Hopper.
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Shiel + Patton for Martin?
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Kelly will be the best player in the AFL in a few years....:shh
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Kelly will be the best player in the AFL in a few years....:shh
Could very well be but what colours will he be wearing?
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Already nominated Collingwood...his girlfriend will be Eddie's stylist on Millionaire Hot Seat...
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Damn....Tomlinson just re-signed with Great White Elephant until 2019....obviously rejected our advances (and Carlton's too...).... :shh
Hopefully they'll all start to want to come home after they've won a few flags....
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Hopper & Matt Kennedy would be good targets
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if we dont move the coach on, no one will want to come to us.
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Kelly will be the best player in the AFL in a few years....:shh
Agree
if we dont move the coach on, no one will want to come to us.
Agree
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Already nominated Collingwood...his girlfriend will be Eddie's stylist on Millionaire Hot Seat...
Obviously she believes you can actually polish a turd
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:lol
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Well we can forget Patton & Cameron for now....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/greater-western-sydney-giants/gws-giants-star-jonathon-patton-joins-jeremy-cameron-in-committing-to-the-afl-club-until-2020-20170228-gumv2h.html
...and us & 16 other clubs can probably forget about flags for a while as well........just hope the AFL hasn't forgotten about their salary cap......:whistle
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Some clubs rumoured to be willing to offer Fyfe $1.5m a season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-06/clubs-set-to-dangle-15million-carrot-to-lure-fyfe
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Some clubs rumoured to be willing to offer Fyfe $1.5m a season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-06/clubs-set-to-dangle-15million-carrot-to-lure-fyfe
Think I would prefer 2 x $750K per year players
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Some clubs rumoured to be willing to offer Fyfe $1.5m a season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-06/clubs-set-to-dangle-15million-carrot-to-lure-fyfe
Think I would prefer 2 x $750K per year players
Ain't that the truth, especially when a guy like Dangerfield is making approximately $800k/season.
Who knows maybe Fyfe might just want to come home and play for his childhood club?
If we improve this year with the likes of Nank, Caddy and Prestia coming to the side, plus Rioli, McIntosh, Butler, Castagna, C Ellis, Vlastuin and Markov all a change to make improvements, maybe we could entice Fyfe for less money and that in turn could convince Dusty to stay if he sees Fyfe coming to Tigerland.
Oh the possibilities. Gotta hope list management is in Fyfe's ear now or since three years ago or more...
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With fyfe in our side today would
We be looking at top 4 this year?
Would seem amazing that 1 player could make that much difference.
Maybe Fyfe, Gawn and the Bont in our team this year would see us with a flag?
I know it is irrelevant but I think we are possibly three key players away from being a real chance.
Any comments from the gurus?
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TOP 10 2017 FREE AGENTS
1. Nat Fyfe, Fremantle, 25 (restricted)
What's he worth? The 2015 Brownlow medallist is already extremely well paid at Fremantle – he is believed to have earned close to $1 million in 2016 – so the Dockers will likely need to offer him $1.2 million a season to stay. Opposition teams will have to up the ante to about $1.5 million a year to bring themselves into the picture. That would be a huge salary cap investment in one player but Fyfe is that good that some clubs would be prepared to roll the dice.
Stay or go? Fyfe says his recent appointment as Freo skipper won't influence his decision, but he has also said he sees his long-term future with the Dockers. The West Australian is in no rush to start talks with Freo, preferring to focus on his return to the field after two leg fractures. It's believed at least two opposition clubs have tabled unofficial long-terms offers for Fyfe, but he does not want to talk to rival teams either at this stage. As this season unfolds, Fyfe will want to see Fremantle is on track for long-term success after last year's list overhaul. But the Dockers remain in a strong position to retain their skipper given they have significant room in their salary cap coupled with the right to match any rival offer for the restricted free agent.
2. Dustin Martin, Richmond, 25 (restricted)
What's he worth? Richmond is believed to be prepared to offer Martin about $800,000 a season to stay. Opposition clubs would probably have to offer close to $1 million a year to make him consider leaving Punt Rd.
Stay or go? Martin feels at home at Richmond and is likely to repay the support the club has given him through some tough times in his career. Adelaide, Essendon and St Kilda were linked to Martin ahead of last year's trade period, and he is clearly the second-best free agency prospect this year. But we expect him to re-sign with the Tigers, most likely early in the year, especially given some rival clubs might baulk at offering $1 million a year for a player with a chequered off-field past.
3. Luke Breust, Hawthorn, 26 (restricted)
What's he worth? One of the elite small forwards in the competition, and capable of rotating through the midfield, Breust should attract a salary offer of up to $600,000 a season from the Hawks. To test his loyalty, rivals would have to come bearing deals worth about $650,000 a season.
Stay or go? Breust was repeatedly linked with a move to Gold Coast in last year's trade period as the Hawks scrambled to broker a swap for Suns midfielder Jaeger O'Meara. This year, the equation seems far simpler: Hawthorn wants to retain Breust and the 2014 All Australian wants to stay. We expect they will agree to a new deal during the season, but rival clubs will be monitoring the progress of those negotiations closely.
4. Steven Motlop, Geelong, turns 26 on March 12 (restricted)
What's he worth? Motlop is understood to earn about $600,000 a season under the two-year deal he signed after his runner-up finish in Geelong's 2015 best and fairest award. After a lacklustre 2016 season that saw the Cats unsuccessfully put him up for trade, Motlop needs to rediscover his best form in 2017 if he wants to maintain or improve his current salary with the Cats. With next year's mooted TPP increase, a rival club could try to blow Geelong out of the water with a $700,000-a-season offer.
Stay or go? After reporting for the 2016 pre-season in poor condition, Motlop returned to Geelong in far better condition this summer and has impressed with his work ethic on the training track. If the 25-year-old can help reduce the midfield load on Patrick Dangerfield and Joel Selwood this season, the Cats would be reluctant to let him go. But if he attracts rival offers big enough to trigger an early compensation pick, they could be tempted to cash in. All will depend on Motlop's 2017 form, with the midfielder and Geelong content for now to wait and see how the season unfolds.
5. Tom Rockliff, Brisbane Lions, 27 (restricted)
What's he worth? After a tumultuous 2016 season on and off the field, Rockliff fell out of favour at the Gabba to the extent the Lions put their then-captain on the table during last year's trade period. The Lions received no serious offers from rival clubs, but the 27-year-old remains an accomplished midfielder and could attract rival bids of about $700,000 a season to leave the Gabba. If the Lions ultimately move to re-sign him, they would likely hope to do so for around $650,000 a year.
Stay or go? The Victorian has responded well to a frank discussion with Chris Fagan upon the former Hawk footy manager's appointment as coach late last year, his recent appointment as vice-captain to new skipper Dayne Beams a sign he has regained any lost respect at the club. Nonetheless, the Lions and Rockliff won't rush into talks on a new deal, with both parties content to sit back and see how 2017 pans out. If the Lions have another tough season on the field, they might consider letting Rockliff go if a rival offer is large enough to net them a first-round compensation pick.
6. Jackson Trengove, Port Adelaide, 26 (restricted)
What's he worth? Amid strong interest from clubs in his home state, Victoria, the versatile big man signed an early two-year contract extension in June 2014 believed to worth about $650,000 a season. It's hard to see Port offering Trengove a significant pay rise despite his strong 2016 season, but rival clubs could tempt him with deals worth $700,000 a season or more.
Stay or go? Neither Port nor Trengove is in a hurry to begin contract negotiations just yet, but the former Calder Cannon looms as a priority re-signing for Port as a key member of its defence and a highly rated leader around the club. Trengove is happy at Alberton but could a Victorian club dangle a deal big enough to tempt: (a) him to move home; and (b) Port to accept an early compensation pick?
7. Jasper Pittard, Port Adelaide, 25 (probably restricted)
What's he worth? Pittard is already well paid under his existing three-year deal at Alberton Oval, and after becoming one of the most damaging line-breaking half-backs in the AFL in that period has a strong claim for a pay hike. Port may have to offer up to $600,000 a season to retain Pittard, but rival clubs will have to consider long-term deals worth $650,000 a year or more.
Stay or go? Pittard is happy at Port and the club sees him as a key part of its future, but both parties are content to delay talks for the moment. Of course, the longer Pittard remains unsigned the more rival interest will grow, and clubs both inside and outside Pittard's home state, Victoria, are already circling. Pittard is also lineball to fall within Port's top 25 per cent of salary earners to qualify as a restricted free agent. If he doesn't, the Power would not have the right to match any rival offers.
8. David Zaharakis, Essendon, 27 (probably restricted)
What's he worth? The midfielder struggled last season under regular tags, but his polish and run mean he will attract rival interest. The Bombers could expect to re-sign Zaharakis for about $550,000 a season, but opposition clubs could tempt him with offers of more than $600,000.
Stay or go? Despite the club's supplements saga, Essendon's recent record of re-signing required players has been outstanding. Rival clubs also see Zaharakis as an extremely loyal player who is likely to re-sign, but both he and Essendon are in no hurry to start negotiations.
9. Sam Reid, Sydney, 25 (restricted)
What's he worth? In the final season of a five-year deal believed to be worth more than $500,000 a season, Reid did not play a senior game in 2016 because of soft-tissue injuries. Nonetheless, as a key-position player who turned 25 in late December, he remains an extremely valuable commodity. His re-signing price could be close to $600,000 a season, but clubs looking to lure him away from the SCG could be prepared to offer up to $700,000 a year.
Stay or go? The Swans and Reid will wait until later in the season before commencing serious talks, with the tall's immediate focus on returning to the field and finding form. Rival clubs will closely monitor the Victorian's progress in 2017, but Reid will be hard to pry from Sydney, where he remains an important part of the Swans' structure.
10. Liam Picken, Western Bulldogs, 30 (unrestricted)
What's he worth? One of the competition's most underrated players was impossible to ignore in last year's final series, when he was one of the Bulldogs' biggest stars during their run to the premiership. As part of a star-studded Dogs' list, the quiet achiever is likely on a 'middle-class' wage of about $400,000 a season. He also turns 31 in August so any pay rise offered by the Bulldogs will be moderate. Could a team in contention try to take advantage of this by offering Picken $500,000 a year?
Stay or go? Given Picken's age, his loyalty and the Bulldogs' wide-open premiership window, the former rookie seems almost certain to re-sign.
Others to watch
Levi Casboult, Matthew Kreuzer (Carlton)
Zac Clarke, Garrick Ibbotson, Nick Suban (Fremantle)
Lachlan Hansen (North Melbourne)
Justin Westhoff (Port Adelaide)
Eric Mackenzie (West Coast)
AFL.com.au's list of 2017 free agents
Adelaide
Andy Otten
Scott Thompson
Brisbane
Claye Beams
Ryan Harwood
Tom Rockliff
Carlton
Dennis Armfield
Levi Casboult
Matthew Kreuzer
Kade Simpson
Simon White
Collingwood
Tyson Goldsack
Lachlan Keefe
Ben Sinclair
Josh Thomas
Essendon
Heath Hocking
Ben Howlett
Brent Stanton
Jobe Watson
David Zaharakis
Fremantle
Hayden Ballantyne
Zac Clarke
Nat Fyfe
Garrick Ibbotson
Michael Johnson
David Mundy
Aaron Sandilands
Nick Suban
Geelong
Josh Cowan
Tom Lonergan
Andrew Mackie
Daniel Menzel
Steven Motlop
Hawthorn
Luke Breust
Shaun Burgoyne
Taylor Duryea
Josh Gibson
Luke Hodge
Ryan Schoenmakers
Melbourne
Jake Spencer
Jack Trengove
North Melbourne
Lachlan Hansen
Scott Thompson
Port Adelaide
Jasper Pittard
Jackson Trengove
Justin Westhoff
Richmond
Dustin Martin
St Kilda
Sean Dempster
Sam Gilbert
Leigh Montagna
Nick Riewoldt
Sydney
Heath Grundy
Josh Kennedy
Jarrad McVeigh
Sam Reid
West Coast
Sam Butler
Josh Kennedy
Mark LeCras
Eric Mackenzie
Matt Priddis
Western Bulldogs
Matthew Boyd
Dale Morris
Robert Murphy
Liam Picken
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-06/youth-brigade-head-up-2017s-tasty-free-agency-list
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Fyfe is way to expensive at 1.5.
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Jackson Trengove anyone? We've been touted to be interested into him for years now, would be a good chop out for rance an an upgrade on Astbury. Thoughts?
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Fyfe, Bruest, Rockliff, Zaharakis or Kennedy are all worth throwing $$$ at.
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Jackson Trengove anyone? We've been touted to be interested into him for years now, would be a good chop out for rance an an upgrade on Astbury. Thoughts?
Worth having a crack at.
Wouldnt mind him and also player around his age who can play second tall fwd then goto the next draft for a young key fwd and back to take over the reigns in 2-3 years time.
Kennedy will be 31 next year thats the only thing.
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Fyfe, Zacharakis, Duryea.
Dont think we can fit Fyfe, Dusty, Cotch, JR and Rance in one salary cap,
Zacharakis will be a one cliub player, he stuck with the drug cheats even though he was the only one not to sitck the needle in.
Duryea is the pick of the rest in terns of age and quality IMO
the rest are old and about to be to old. Barring one, Andrew Mackie might be a good fit for us with a view of making him an assistant.
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With fyfe in our side today would
We be looking at top 4 this year?
Would seem amazing that 1 player could make that much difference.
Maybe Fyfe, Gawn and the Bont in our team this year would see us with a flag?
I know it is irrelevant but I think we are possibly three key players away from being a real chance.
Any comments from the gurus?
Well yeh that would fix the middle up but there are huge holes at either end of the ground with a need for a KPD and KPF
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reading Zacharakis's comments, I reckon he'd ripe for the picking under free agency
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Bruest & Rockliff the only 2 I would look at.
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I know it is VERY unlikely, but I wouldn't mind a tilt at J Kennedy from WCE. Although he'll be 30, he has been injury free and has at least 3 good years left in him. Coleman medalist....
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Trengrove would be a great get
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I'm suss on Trengrove.
Reckon he'd become a whipping boy with his disposal.
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reading Zacharakis's comments, I reckon he'd ripe for the picking under free agency
Correct, he'll get a lot of inquiry too, watch the Hawks swoop.
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Anyone know what our cap situation is going forward? We're paying some of Lids contract this year but that should all be cleared by next, however I know we offered big coin not just to Prestia but also to Caddy & we might end up paying a mil per season for Dusty (which is fine in my book).
I know it is VERY unlikely, but I wouldn't mind a tilt at J Kennedy from WCE. Although he'll be 30, he has been injury free and has at least 3 good years left in him. Coleman medalist....
Would think it depends on our performance this year. We need to be closing in on a tilt by the end of this year to make something like that feasible surely? I know we're desperately weak up forward at the moment, but I can think of others I'd prefer.
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Apparently Jay Clark just said on Triple M that we are heavily into Josh Schache.
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Would be a good get :clapping
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Would be incredible but can't see us getting him to Tigerland AND holding onto Dusty.
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Would be incredible but can't see us getting him to Tigerland AND holding onto Dusty.
Give em Cotchin for him and some change
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Fyfe the woman headed champ or bust
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Fyfe the woman headed champ or bust
Duck face
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-trade-free-agency-watch.1153152/page-18#post-49379161
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We're still eyeing off Kelly and/or Hopper from GWS too apparently. Doubt we'll get the former - will most likely stay but if he does leave it will probably be for North , who his old man played for -would cost two first rounders and a huge salary anyway,the latter very gettable though. Would go extra hard for Kelly though if he hasn't re-signed and we lost Martin...
Couple of young fringe players I wouldn't mind looking at if we could get them on the cheap - Wigg from Adelaide and Crocker from Collingwood. Former is a sublime kick and the latter's been likened to Martin by some, which is probably a tad hyperbolic - I see him more as potentially a better version of Caddy.
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Apparently Jay Clark just said on Triple M that we are heavily into Josh Schache.
Schache would be perfect for us and i hope we pursue this and make him a tiger next year.
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Just saw on AFL Tonight that Jake Lever's put off contract talks......yes please.....
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Just saw on AFL Tonight that Jake Lever's put off contract talks......yes please.....
He is exactly what we need.
We need a good season so a kid like this wants to come to our club.
10 year player.
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We're still eyeing off Kelly and/or Hopper from GWS too apparently. Doubt we'll get the former - will most likely stay but if he does leave it will probably be for North , who his old man played for -would cost two first rounders and a huge salary anyway,the latter very gettable though. Would go extra hard for Kelly though if he hasn't re-signed and we lost Martin...
North apparently offering Kelly 9m over 9 years to leave GWS.
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The amusing thing about that is that in 9 years, a million a year will probably be close to the standard AFL wage......
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The amusing thing about that is that in 9 years, a million a year will probably be close to the standard AFL wage......
Remember Alistair Lynch's 10 year $1m deal?
After 5-6 years his contract had to get renegotiated because he was getting paid peanuts. :lol
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Would love to get lever. Need to target key defensive players, astbury is honesty painful to watch. Deer in the headlights
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According to Jay Clark we're into Sam Reid now....
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According to Jay Clark we're into Sam Reid now....
Already nominated Collingwood because they have a better list!
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No thanks
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Would obviously prefer Schache & Lever but at least the likes of Reid & Trengove wouldn't cost us any picks....
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Would obviously prefer Schache & Lever but at least the likes of Reid & Trengove wouldn't cost us any picks....
Given our depth in small/mediums we can go tall in the draft this year and apparently there are some great developing kpp's early. I like your Trengove/Reid approach as a stop gap in the short term.
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I think Reid would complement Jack nicely.
He's been good in the Swans games I've watched this year.
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Would much rather Schache over Reid. Sam Reid won't get much better than he already is (A Vickery type 2nd tall foward). Schache well may be J Reiwoldt mk2.
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I wouldn’t be adverse to going hard for Reid and Trengrove which would significantly strengthen our KPP stocks. Then use our 2 x 1st rounders to pick up young KPP’s for the future. Tbh I think this is the smarter way to go list management wise and would prefer to go down this path
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Use picks 17 & 18 assuming we win the flag and package for a top 5 pick from Gold Coast or Brisbane then pick the best KPP player from there.
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Then trade next years first pick for Schache. Get a KF and KD
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Definitely need to go after key forwards particularly if Elton and Griffiths go by year's end.
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They're already gone.
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I've rated this guy for a while and it's a shame that Lynch is worth so much now, however I'd still be prepared to throw the sink at him.
Something ludicrous like $7-9million/6 years.
Need a KPD too. Plenty of good options. Would try to take somebody like Michael Hartley from Essendon or Kyle Hartigan from Adelaide.
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I think Reid would complement Jack nicely.
He's been good in the Swans games I've watched this year.
Reid is a crap kick for goal and is too injury prone
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I think Reid would complement Jack nicely.
He's been good in the Swans games I've watched this year.
Reid is a crap kick for goal and is too injury prone
Can he kick the ball 60m which is the panacea for all else
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What do you think it would take to get Jack Lever to Tigerland in terms of picks or players?
Melbourne boy.
He was pick 15 a few years back.
I'd think a pick about 10 to 15 and perhaps a player.
Just the type we need imo. He defends really well, agile, and also gets involved on the way out.
Thoughts?
West Coast also have some decent KPD that would be handy.
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Richmond again has a large number of players coming off contract — including Brownlow Medal fancy and restricted free agent Dustin Martin.
But the Tigers are armed with salary cap space and circling out-of-contract Brisbane Lion Josh Schache, 19.
Schache’s maiden AFL coach Justin Leppitsch returned to Punt Rd as an assistant after he was sacked by the Lions last year.
The Tigers need another key forward after parting ways with Ty Vickery (Hawthorn), Liam McBean (delisted) and growing concerns over Ben Griffiths (concussion) and Todd Elton (form).
Richmond holds two first-round picks this year — its own and Geelong’s, acquired in the Brett Deledio trade.
Source: Herald-Sun website (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-livewire-daniel-rioli-has-threeyear-deal-in-front-of-him/news-story/ff0ee8b4983d007f9fd63898e51203ce)
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Lets go for Lever and Shache.
Would not touch Reid or Trengove
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I think Reid would complement Jack nicely.
He's been good in the Swans games I've watched this year.
Reid is a crap kick for goal and is too injury prone
Can he kick the ball 60m which is the panacea for all else
Can he do it from a hospital bed?
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With the classy small forwards on the list we only need one quality tall and a resting Ruck (forward line or bench). RBR The CHF's for the last 2premiers were Ryan S and Zaine C respectively 😲 That is why I would seek a Trengove type (costs nothing) and go to the draft to address future list requirements.
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Lets go for Lever and Shache.
Would not touch Reid or Trengove
Id take one of the two (Reid or Trengove) but not both. Dont think we could carry two 'good average' kpp's as well as Astbury and potentially a developing Schache.
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Trengove's a decent enough player who can pretty much cover the entire spine and is free agent - no brainer for me....even if the season goes pear shaped from here, I still don't think we'll have a high enough pick to get Oscar Carvino...
Sam Reid if we get high enough picks to take a top rated KPF tgo develop behind him.....Schache if we don't....though at this very early stage and if the ladder doesn't change to much, I think Tom McCartin (yes, Paddy's brother) might still be available....
I also still think Xavier Rchards is worth a crack, despite being a year out of the AFL (currently playing for Sydney Uni.)Will cost nothing....will be back in his home state & might appreciate being an AFL player a bit more this time around...
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Agree with that, Trengove is a no brainer and gives us a much needed boost in KPP stocks. Reckon a fair few people were shocked Richards didnt get picked up, definitely has something to offer.
Given that we are likely to no longer have Maric, Griff and Elton beyond this year we'll need to shore up an area of our list that is light on for personnel right now let alone when we're 3 more down.
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Agree with that, Trengove is a no brainer and gives us a much needed boost in KPP stocks. Reckon a fair few people were shocked Richards didnt get picked up, definitely has something to offer.
Given that we are likely to no longer have Maric, Griff and Elton beyond this year we'll need to shore up an area of our list that is light on for personnel right now let alone when we're 3 more down.
Trengove played with Cotch at PEGS. They had a bit of chemistry going as ruck and mid. Would love to get him as he has mongrel (and can play). Something you can never have too much of....
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I've rated this guy for a while and it's a shame that Lynch is worth so much now, however I'd still be prepared to throw the sink at him.
Something ludicrous like $7-9million/6 years.
Need a KPD too. Plenty of good options. Would try to take somebody like Michael Hartley from Essendon or Kyle Hartigan from Adelaide.
Which Lynch? GC or Adel?
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In-demand Swan set for big money by year’s end: Ralph
By Justin Talent
SEN
3 May 2017
Regardless of where Sam Reid plays football in 2018, Jon Ralph believes the centre half-forward will be on a much more lucrative contract than he is currently at Sydney.
The 25-year-old, who has been blighted by a range of hamstring, calf, quad and Achilles injuries in recent years, is a restricted free agent at the end of the 2017 season.
It is believed the forward has been courted by a host of Victorian clubs seeking bolstered tall forward stocks, including Richmond, Carlton and Collingwood – where his brother, tall defender Ben Reid, applies his trade.
Despite labelling Reid a “good but not exceptional player”, the Herald Sun journalist says the demand for centre half-forwards will drive the Swan’s asking price higher than most would expect, something that could heavily impact on Sydney’s salary cap should they decide to match any offer he receives from another club.
“There’s not a lot of centre half-forwards out there who are free agents,” Ralph said on SEN’s Hungry for Sport
“I think that someone out there, whether it’s a Richmond or whether it’s a Carlton, is going to say ‘He’s a free agent, we don’t need a draft pick to get him and they’re going to pay him massively over the odds,’ so even if Sydney retain him, they’ll probably have to match that deal.
“I just think he’s going to be a very rich boy at the end of the year.”
Ralph believes Richmond in particular would be a great fit for Reid, with doubts surrounding the long-term future of Ben Griffiths due to a series of concussions in recent years.
The Tigers are also rumoured to have enquired about the future of Brisbane’s promising young forward Josh Schache and Hawthorn premiership player Jack Gunston in the past few months.
“You look at Richmond right now. They are playing Jack Riewoldt and five small (forwards),” he said.
“There are teams out there like Richmond who would be desperate for another goal kicker and Sam Reid might be that man.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/05/03/in-demand-swan-set-for-big-money-by-year-s-end-ralph/
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Schache > Reid > Gunston
Schache would be the way forward, Reid is an upgrade on Griff and won't cost us picks (but depends on the price) and Gunston to my knowledge is contracted for a few more years so would cost us picks.
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Hawks need picks or they'll be poo for 20 years.
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Hawks need picks or they'll be poo for 20 years.
So no one give them any!!!!!
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Hawks need picks or they'll be poo for 20 years.
They've been the wees and poos for 100 years! :snidegrin
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Get this kid:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-cricket-engaged-in-tug-of-war-over-cricket-australia-ceos-son-20170501-gvwvow.html
:shh
Should also be in Tim Taranto's ear as of now....Fyfe 3.0 (Bont is Fyfe 2.0)....will get homesick eventually.... :shh
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Get this kid:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-cricket-engaged-in-tug-of-war-over-cricket-australia-ceos-son-20170501-gvwvow.html
:shh
Should also be in Tim Taranto's ear as of now....Fyfe 3.0 (Bont is Fyfe 2.0)....will get homesick eventually.... :shh
:cheers
Gun, will be even better in a side like ours in years to come because he won't have to share the spotlight in that midfield
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Hawks need picks or they'll be poo for 20 years.
They've been the wees and poos for 100 years! :snidegrin
:clapping
:lol :rollin :rollin
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Josh Schache contract: How much is Brisbane Lion worth?
MARK ROBINSON,
Herald Sun
7 May 2017
BRISBANE is fighting an unknown enemy.
The Lions’ No. 2 draft pick Josh Schache will play this weekend, but has not yet decided if he will be at Brisbane beyond this year.
Opposition clubs want him.
But the Lions don’t know which clubs have offered how much because Schache’s manager David Trotter is keeping that information between himself and Schache.
It means the Lions don’t know how well their offer stacks up against those from rival clubs.
They don’t know what Richmond has put on the table. Or what Collingwood has. Or Carlton has. Or any other Victorian-based club looking for a key forward.
Their enemies are many and the arsenals are deep.
It’s understood a Tom Boyd-type deal — $6 million over six years — has not been tabled. Yet.
But if North Melbourne has upped at the ante for Giant Josh Kelly — $9 million over nine years — it’s ludicrous to think that a club wouldn’t stump up huge cash for Schache.
If they did it for Boyd, a club will certainly pull the trigger on Schache.
The Lions are worried on a couple of fronts.
Schache, originally from Seymour, is coming off consecutive poor games and, truth be known, he was lucky to keep his spot for today’s game against Sydney at the SCG.
Unlike St Kilda’s Paddy McCartin, who is also struggling at senior football level but is fully committed to the Saints, Schache is far from committed.
The Lions believe he will stay, but also believe the media-hype, pressure and offers from rival clubs have all played a role in Schache playing some average footy.
It looks like he’s playing with the weight of the world on his shoulders, or at least the weight of $5 million.
Others say Schache, a gun junior, is struggling this year to get into the rhythm of AFL football in regards to running patterns and defensive capabilities, and has lost confidence.
As an aside, and quite quickly, the discussion has left Schache and landed on his teammate Eric Hipwood.
It has been noted that Schache hasn’t delivered the “wow’’ factor yet, while Hipwood wows us weekly.
That also presents a complex situation for the Lions.
If Schache is worth, say, $500,000 a season to the Lions, then what is Hipwood worth? He’s signed until the end of 2019 and is better than Schache on every gauge.
It means his next contract will also be closer to a $1 million than not.
So, how much do the Lions offer a kid such as Schache who, up until today, had played 21 games and kicked 20 goals?
How do they measure output against potential?
How does his management do the same?
Well, they don’t have to. Other clubs will dictate the market price. If the Tigers think he is worth $4 million over five years, then that’s what he is worth.
Under no circumstances can the Lions offer $800,000 a season to their own player because this is a club digging itself out of a hole and a contract such as that would hurt their TPP and, most likely, put noses out of joint with other players.
Brisbane’s best bet is for Schache to sign a two-year deal at about $500,000 a season, allowing him to judge how the team and club are travelling and then reassess at the end of 2019.
Although the Lions say they are confident, they’re not as confident as they were at Christmas.
That Schache has not agreed to their latest contract offer and is looking at much bigger deals from rival clubs is certainly not a positive.
And if Schache desperately wanted to stay, he or his management would be talking to the club in much greater depth than they are at the moment.
The Lions are also a touch bewildered because Schache is the son of former Brisbane Bears player Laurence, and was hellbent on getting to his late dad’s club. He wear his old man’s No. 23, but it seems those emotional ties so important 18 months ago have been put on the back burner.
Of course, the Lions want him to stay. They have put two years of footy into him, they took him at No. 2 in 2015 (behind Jacob Weitering) and reckon he’s going to be a star. But if he wants to leave, the Lions will take stock.
They will want two first-round draft picks in return and if they get them, they already have Port Adelaide’s first-round pick plus their own pick, so the Lions could go to the draft with four picks under, say, No. 15. Or if they want to spread them, three first-rounders this year and two first-rounders next year.
On top of last year’s draft which landed them Hugh McCluggage, Jarrod Berry and Alex Witherden, the Lions will be stockpiling talent.
It’s tantalising, but this club also has to start winning games and keep its talent. The Lions don’t want to be known as the AFL’s Philadelphia 76ers, an NBA team which has accrued picks for finishing last, traded talent for more picks, and still lose the bulk of their games.
Intriguingly, the Lions this year will select in the draft their academy forward Connor Ballenden
He had a huge under-16 national carnival, played bottom-age under-18s last year and was OK save for five goals against Tasmania and in three academy games this year has kicked only two goals.
He will again play in the national under-18 championships. If he performs outstandingly, the loss of Schache, if it happens, won’t be so devastating.
The Lions take the picks, take the kid and soldier forward.
Again, they want to keep Schache.
Right now, he’s in a rut and maybe a couple of games in the NEAFL, where he can go back, ease the pressure, take marks and kick goals and have some fun.
It still won’t hide him from the biggest decision of his life thus far.
Stay at the Lions and be paid less or take the overs and run back to Victoria, his home state.
A Boyd or Kelly-type offer might make it virtually impossible to stay.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/brisbane/robbo-how-much-is-josh-schache-worth/news-story/96623db4bd8e8d652130777e6d5dc868
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Schache would be nice but we should be throwing the kitchen sink at Jake Lever first.
Cannot see why we couldn't get both?
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Boyd isn't worth Boyd money, Joanie Loves Schache certainly isn't. Agree I'd rather go for Lever and/or Reid & Trengove for nix, draft Tom McCartin, if we traded smartly we could probably try and get Oscar Caravino too. There's some good kids not getting games that I'd look at too like Wigg from Adelaide & Crocker from Collingwood.
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You would be out of your mind to pay two first round picks for Schache imo.
I'd prefer to go to the draft if that was the case.
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You would be out of your mind to pay two first round picks for Schache imo.
I'd prefer to go to the draft if that was the case.
Yep.....,Get Reid for zilch and go to the draft, or keep the status quo and go to the draft. How often will we have the luxury of 2 round 1 picks in future years? CHF's are overrated. Gun midfielders, who can also go forward or back are priceless.
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Gun midfielders, who can also go forward or back are priceless.
Taranto, Ben Crocker :shh
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You would be out of your mind to pay two first round picks for Schache imo.
I'd prefer to go to the draft if that was the case.
Absolutely.
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I'd give them a first and BEllis. You could throw Houli in there too! :snidegrin
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I'd give them a first and BEllis. You could throw Houli in there too! :snidegrin
You'd need to throw up a name that implies value. Vlastuin would be worth considering.
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We desperately need a CHF that can help Jack out. If Jack doesn't mark it inside 50, we don't mark it.
A guys that gives a contest is great but you need that and more to be a top side.
We must do whatever it takes to get someone in asap otherwise we will waste the star that Jack is.
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Zac Jones anybody? Out of contract, Vic lad, Swanettes salary cap tighter than a nun's proverbial.... :shh
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Mason Cox apparently "weighing up his options".... :shh
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Mason Cox apparently "weighing up his options".... :shh
Hmmm, you like big Cox Dio?
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Stockpile "international" rookie rucks and one is bound to come good :shh
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I like Zac jones. Tough
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Barrett reckons Brodie Grundy's contract talks have stalled....rather trade a first round pick for him than Schache....
Mason Cox apparently "weighing up his options".... :shh
Hmmm, you like big Cox Dio?
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Barrett reckons Brodie Grundy's contract talks have stalled....rather trade a first round pick for him than Schache....
Think he and Nank could partner up or both of them too much of a genuine ruck?
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Grundy is under-utiliised by Buckley as a forward IMO, they'd be a more than handy combo.
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Hearing Whitfield is pretty disgruntled up at GWS.... :shh
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We really need to replenish our KPP stocks, Tregrove and areid as free agents because they will cost us nothing and then go to the draft with our two first round picks and grab some tall talent.
This years draft is meant to be top end with KP players so let's make the most of it.
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I hope we trade back into the draft for even more picks...ideally another first rounder but failing that, we also don't have any second round picks this year so a couple of them would be handy whats apparently supposed be a lot shallower draft than last year...there's also the points we'll likely need for Naish who's tipped as a late second/early third at this stage but whose stocks could rise between now & then ...the rookie situation is interesting too as 4 of the 5 incl.Soldo are all tracking very well....though there's strong talk the AFL will scrap the rookie list next year in favour of one expanded list so at least we wouldn't need to create list space to use on any elevations...
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Any word on kieran Collins ? I liked the look of him in the draft, I believe the doggies got him. Don't think he's getting games. Worth a look ?
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Any word on kieran Collins ? I liked the look of him in the draft, I believe the doggies got him. Don't think he's getting games. Worth a look ?
Him AND Redpath who is losing games behind Cloke when fit. Kicked 6 on return from ACL in the VFL.
Would look at Marcus Adams too. Beast+++++
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I doubt they'd get ret rid of redpath with Cloke to retire in the next few years. Redpath is better than Cloke anyway imo. I'd give our second first round for Collins though. Basically like drafting him. Fills a need.
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Can live with us trading one first rounder but not both....though if both are outside the top 10 I wouldn't be adverse to swapping them for a top 5 pick.... :shh
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Don't think Redpath is losing games to Cloke, he's just come back from injury and Cloke hasn't even played for a few weeks. Reckon they'll go with Redpath before or with Cloke making him unattainable
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Free agency could see key Swan Sam Reid head to Victoria
afl.com.au
11 May 2017
SYDNEY spearhead Sam Reid has firmed as this year's most highly coveted free agent behind Nat Fyfe and Dustin Martin while his contract talks with the Swans remain at a preliminary stage.
Reid last month declared his desire to stay with the Swans beyond 2017, but the former Murray Bushranger has attracted strong interest in Victoria, with industry sources saying Richmond and Collingwood head his long queue of suitors.
Midfielders Fyfe and Martin are unmistakably the prized catches in this year's free agency pool, with rival clubs prepared to offer both more than a $1 million a season. Some clubs could offer considerably more than that, especially for Fyfe.
However, with key forwards in demand across the competition and a 20 per cent salary cap hike expected from this year under the forthcoming CBA, rival clubs believe Reid could command offers of up to $800,000 a season.
The 25-year-old, who is in the final year of a lucrative five-season contract, remains in ongoing dialogue with Sydney via his manager, Paul Connors, but his future appears likely to remain uncertain for some time.
Reid's restricted status gives Sydney the right to match any rival offers made in October's free agency period, but the Swans' efforts to re-sign him could be complicated by their tight salary cap and the rising market worth of out-of-contract defender Zak Jones.
After missing the entire 2016 season with calf, hamstring and Achilles tendon problems, Reid has made a welcome return to form and fitness this year.
After seven rounds, he has played every game and averaged 13.6 possessions and 5.1 marks. He is also ranked second at the Swans for goals (11), contested marks (nine) and marks inside 50 (11), and equal second for goal assists (five).
Reid is understood to be happy to focus on his football for the moment, confident that the more he plays the more he underlines his on-field value.
Richmond has had its eye on Reid for some time, and the forward could help address the club's lack of aerial support for spearhead Jack Riewoldt.
Collingwood is also determined to add a quality key forward to an attack that since Travis Cloke's departure to the Western Bulldogs at the end of last year has relied on third-year tall Darcy Moore as its focal point.
The Tigers and Magpies are also, however, among a slew of Victorian clubs circling out-of-contract Lions youngster Josh Schache, and could have to decide later this year whether he or Reid is their No.1 priority.
Reid recently spoke emphatically about wanting to play on with the Swans.
"There is no reason why I would leave. I love the lifestyle, my soon-to-be wife is from Sydney so there are plenty of reasons to stay," Reid told News Corp last month.
"I'm focusing on what is happening on the field, I'm letting my management and the club sort that out. I just want to make sure I get out there and have an impact."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-11/free-agency-could-see-key-swan-sam-reid-head-to-victoria
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am i the only person who doesn't rate this bloke at all? and for 800k. Please.
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am i the only person who doesn't rate this bloke at all? and for 800k. Please.
Average footballer.
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He's better than average but he's unreliable on a number of levels. I wonder if the Swans are trying to push his value up in the media and land themselves a Vickery compensation pick
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$800K??
Wouldn't think so although we are suppose to be paying Prestia $700 so anything is possible.
He is worth maybe $500k imo and that is stretching it.
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Probably but he's an atheltic tall who has show signs at times. People pay for those types, warranted or not
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Probably but he's an atheltic tall who has show signs at times. People pay for those types, warranted or not
Tyrone Vickery anyone?
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We have a couple of early picks this year, should get it done
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We have a couple of early picks this year, should get it done
are you suggesting we should use one of those picks for Reid?
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Reid is a free agent so no need to trade.
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Smoke em if you got em
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Collingwood have tabled an offer in the region of $700,000 per season for Brisbane forward Josh Schache.
https://twitter.com/TheAFLupdate
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Collingwood have tabled an offer in the region of $700,000 per season for Brisbane forward Josh Schache.
https://twitter.com/TheAFLupdate
Good. I reckon he has 'Jack Watts' written all over him.
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Trengove, Reid, X. Richards - draft Tom McCartin ...and Oscar Clavarino if we're lucky...
Only player I'd offer up our first rounders for is Josh Kelly & he's a midfielder...
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Jack Redpath IMO. Hopefully Cloke gets fit and keeps him out of the side so he's disgruntled.
Guy plays like a proper power forward.
Another good KPD and a midfielder or two as well...
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Collingwood have tabled an offer in the region of $700,000 per season for Brisbane forward Josh Schache.
https://twitter.com/TheAFLupdate
Good. I reckon he has 'Jack Watts' written all over him.
Yep, Corey Ellis like even, with his lack of intensity.
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Collingwood have tabled an offer in the region of $700,000 per season for Brisbane forward Josh Schache.
https://twitter.com/TheAFLupdate
Age reporting that Schache is supposedly going to be dropped the NEAFL this week
Brisbane ressies playing Giants this Saturday before the main game at Spotless. :clapping
Will be watching the kid closely ;D
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Brisbane Lions' Josh Schache set to be dropped, Lions resigned to losing him
Sam McClure
The Age
18 May 2017
Highly touted Brisbane forward Josh Schache is set to be dropped for Saturday night's clash with Adelaide, with the club believing the constant speculation surrounding his future is affecting his form.
His pending omission comes along with revelations that Richmond have met Schache's management, as the Tigers step up their pursuit of the star teenager.
The Lions are now privately resigned to losing a player they invested heavily in, taking him at pick No. 2 in a national draft held less than 18 months ago.
Fairfax Media understands that senior officials, including coach Chris Fagan and head of football David Noble, believe Schache's form has been affected by constant speculation over him returning home to Victoria.
Schache is out of contract at the end of the year and has held off negotiations with Brisbane, despite the Lions' repeated attempts to offer him a long-term deal.
The Tigers are the only club to have met specifically about Schache, with Carlton and Collingwood, who have previously been linked to him, still monitoring the situation.
GM of football talent Dan Richardson confirmed to Fairfax Media that the Tigers have made their intentions known.
"We've met with [Schache manager] David [Trotter] but we haven't met with the player directly, nor do we think that's appropriate at this time of year, but we are monitoring the situation as it unfolds," Richardson said. "There is no offer on the table."
While the Tigers and Schache's management are adamant an offer is yet to be tabled, the fact they have met about him less than halfway into the season has angered Brisbane.
If Schache does leave Brisbane at season's end, he would be the latest on a growing list of highly rated players to leave the Lions, a problem that continues to plague the embattled club.
Sam Docherty, Jared Polec and Elliott Yeo all left in the space of two days in 2013 and are now playing starring roles for their new clubs.
James Aish came fourth in the 2014 Rising Star award behind Lewis Taylor, Marcus Bontempelli and Luke McDonald and then struggled in 2015 amid talk he was considering a move to Victoria, before ultimately moving to his preferred destination of Collingwood.
Players leaving Queensland clubs – particularly Brisbane – have become such a problem that part of the new CBA negotiations included a push from the AFL that first round draft picks should be forced to spend at least three years at their initial club, instead of the current two.
Brisbane triple premiership coach Leigh Matthews recently referred to the Lions as a "pit stop club" on 3AW while watching Docherty put in another dominant display in the Blues' round seven win over Collingwood at the MCG.
The comment did not go down well at AFL headquarters, and was mentioned when league chief Gillon McLachlan flew to Queensland last week to meet the Lions and the state government over the club's proposed new facility.
McDonald Sports and Talent Management on Wednesday denied reports that Schache will be providing the Lions with a decision whether he'll stay or go during the bye period in two weeks.
Trotter will be having a one-on-one meeting with Schache during the period but a decision on the player's future is more likely to be towards the end of the season.
In his 23 AFL games, Schache has kicked 22 goals, including six this year. He's yet to kick more than two goals in a game.
He was quiet on the weekend, collecting just eight disposals and three marks against Hawthorn in a game where he failed to hit the scoreboard.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/brisbane-lions-josh-schache-set-to-be-dropped-lions-resigned-to-losing-him-20170517-gw735o.html
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Still very raw, but looks like he has some talent.
At the very least I am glad that Richmond has upset somebody, even if it's the trade period easy-beats in Brisbane.
Tired of 'politely enquiring' about a player's intentions. Just show the money and pinch them from right under their club's nose ffs.
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Hardwick said chasing the key tall, who was recruited by the Lions with pick No.2 in the 2015 NAB AFL Draft, was not his concern at this stage of the season.
"Those list management decisions I don't really take too much notice at this time of year … I just focus on what I can control," he said.
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-18/tigers-new-injury-concern-speedy-forward-butler-to-miss-gws)
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"Those list management decisions I don't really take too much notice at this time of year … I just focus on what I can control," he said.
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-18/tigers-new-injury-concern-speedy-forward-butler-to-miss-gws)
Like the last 22 seconds of a game hey dimma
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Collingwood have tabled an offer in the region of $700,000 per season for Brisbane forward Josh Schache.
https://twitter.com/TheAFLupdate
Age reporting that Schache is supposedly going to be dropped the NEAFL this week
Brisbane ressies playing Giants this Saturday before the main game at Spotless. :clapping
Will be watching the kid closely ;D
Bump.
When you get a chance WP, please let us know your thoughts on how he went :thumbsup
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Got to see most of the 2nd half
He actually kicked the winning goal
Apart from that.... ::) in the 3rd I didn't think he was playing.
Once I found him i thought he looked totally disinterested, so clearly doesn't want too be there.
I can't give a fair view of the player as such because he was barely sighted. One thing I did notice is he does move very well for a KP player. Needs to bulk up but certainly isn't slow and has a good tank. Apart from that, can't give you anything else
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Got to see most of the 2nd half
He actually kicked the winning goal
Apart from that.... ::) in the 3rd I didn't think he was playing.
Once I found him i thought he looked totally disinterested, so clearly doesn't want to be there.
I can't give a fair view of the player as such because he was barely sighted. One thing I did notice is he does move very well for a KP player. Needs to bulk up but certainly isn't slow and has a good tank. Apart from that, can't give you anything else
Cool thank you.
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We will hand over a 1st rounder that's the Richmondy way.
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Can the mods please place a moratorium on posters parroting that gay arse Will Anderson joke?
Ta.
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Got to see most of the 2nd half
He actually kicked the winning goal
Apart from that.... ::) in the 3rd I didn't think he was playing.
Once I found him i thought he looked totally disinterested, so clearly doesn't want too be there.
I can't give a fair view of the player as such because he was barely sighted. One thing I did notice is he does move very well for a KP player. Needs to bulk up but certainly isn't slow and has a good tank. Apart from that, can't give you anything else
Cheers WP
Jack Watts tested elite for agility, speed, repeat sprints and all physical attributes for a kpp. To date have seen nothing from Schache to suggest we should be giving up anything for him let alone a first rounder or 2 which has been mooted in various circles.
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He is as good as ours is what I've heard. Playing poorly because he is unhappy. Just as well as his trade value would keep going up if he is starring. :shh
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He is as good as ours is what I've heard. Playing poorly because he is unhappy. Just as well as his trade value would keep going up if he is starring. :shh
I hope you're right. He is exactly what we need. Get it done without paying overs...
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If we do get him I just hope it's not a ridiculous deal. Hasn't earned 700k a year that's for sure.
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He's Schit.
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He's Schit.
He will fit right in then.
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He's Schit.
He will fit right in then.
:lol
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Jeremy Cameron for Tigers. Any chance?
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Yes ....plus Mundy, Grundy and Karmichael Hunt....
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Jeremy Cameron for Tigers. Any chance?
Absolutely none
More chance of that ump paying the 50 to Dusty
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Steven May from GC out of contract at years end? If so, would make him a massive offer.
Forget Schache - go for Reid and May
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Jeremy Cameron for Tigers. Any chance?
Absolutely none
More chance of that ump paying the 50 to Dusty
:clapping
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He's contracted until next year but Ben Brown would be the exact type of tall forward we need.
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Got to see most of the 2nd half
He actually kicked the winning goal
Apart from that.... ::) in the 3rd I didn't think he was playing.
Once I found him i thought he looked totally disinterested, so clearly doesn't want too be there.
I can't give a fair view of the player as such because he was barely sighted. One thing I did notice is he does move very well for a KP player. Needs to bulk up but certainly isn't slow and has a good tank. Apart from that, can't give you anything else
That winning goal was one of only two kicks Schache had for the game according to Footy Classified. He had 2 kicks, 1 handball, 2 tackles & 1 goal for an entire NEAFL game. Hello first round pick :P.
Caro said he's completely devoid of confidence and doesn't want to be at Brisbane. He's very close to Leppitsch (which is why we're expected to get him) and he wasn't happy when Leppa was sacked as coach up there.
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Steven May from GC out of contract at years end? If so, would make him a massive offer.
Forget Schache - go for Reid and May
I like this idea but what's the bet we've already put all our eggs in one basket and promised Schache we'll take him? Plus it's clear the club is now more desperate for another KPF and seem the think that our KPD situation is all hunky dory.....
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In their defence our KPD is better than our KPF :help
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Only marginally....we'd be just as stuffed if not moreso, if Rance goes down as we would be if Riewoldt did....our back up is basically just Garthwaite, Batchelor & Broad....though Elton, Griffiths, Moore & Chol have all played down there at various stages.....I'd say at least three of those seven will be delisted at the end of the year and that's not counting Griffiths' possible early retirement..
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If we get May we could send Astbury forward
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If we get May we could send Astbury forward
May not be the answer FWD but I was thinking this. Would at least provide a stop gap swingman until we actually get more KPD and KPF
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If we get May we could send Astbury forward
May not be the answer FWD but I was thinking this. Would at least provide a stop gap swingman until we actually get more KPD and KPF
Harry Taylor thread. He did join us as a key forward
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Josh Schache trade rumours: Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood, granted leave by Brisbane Lions
JON RALPH and JAY CLARK
Herald Sun
25 May 2017
JOSH Schache’s manager says his mid-season rest from all football will help him recharge his batteries and is not a contract ultimatum.
The much-scrutinised key forward has returned to Victorian country town Seymour with his family and won’t play NEAFL this weekend.
The Lions NEAFL side has a bye the following week, which gives him several weeks of rest before attacking the second half of the year.
He collected only four possessions last week in the second-tier competition and looked flat and tired as his contract impasse grows.
But his manager David Trotter told the Herald Sun on Wednesday his break was consistent with the Lions’ policy with their younger players.
Last year’s top-five selection Hugh McCluggage was also rested recently given the demands of football.
The Lions have put forward a contract offer to the No.2 pick of the 2015 draft but he is content to allow the season to continue before considering his future.
Richmond has confirmed its interest in the left-footed key forward, while Carlton’s Andrew McKay said this week the club wanted to bolster its key forward stocks.
“It is more than they are giving him a rest because everyone watching him play, he looks a bit fatigued. They did it with McCluggage and they will do it with a few of their other youngsters,’’ Trotter said.
“They said is this something that will help him? His mum and brother were up on the weekend and they said why don’t you just go home with them? It is not related to his contract.”
Brisbane football boss David Noble said Schache’s break had nothing to do with his contract situation.
“It’s just a rest program. He is having a few days back home, it’s absolutely not a case of him having two weeks to make a decision on his contract, it’s nothing to do with it,” Noble told the Herald Sun.
“His form is not great, he is a bit worn out and we have to manage these young guys with their loads, so we said go home for a few days and come back next week.
“We have never had a time limit (on a decision) or anything like that. We are in constant dialogue with his manager David Trotter.”
Trotter is adamant he has never talked figures with interested parties despite reports the Tigers could offer him $700,000 a season.
Brisbane Lions legend Jonathan Brown said this week the club had to pay Schache whatever it took to retain him given the recent exodus of star talent.
But fellow triple premiership player Alastair Lynch said on Wednesday that approach only had an inflationary effect on the club’s list.
Lions chief executive Greg Swann has bemoaned the line-up of player managers requesting extra cash for their players to stay in the state.
But AFL footballer operations manager Simon Lethlean says there is no chance of a salary cap dispensation to help the Lions retain players in the state.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/brisbane/josh-schache-granted-leave-by-brisbane-but-its-not-related-to-his-contract-status-his-manager-says/news-story/bdd519dee837c465ea67a9c3dae87ab1
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sam reid injured again.
hopefully the club has better ideas than to trade for this guy.
seems a dud to me.
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SEN just said Richmond has shown interest in poaching Hawk Jack Gunston.
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Who would have thought we need another key forward
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Gunston could be handy but he's more of a 3rd tall and lightly framed.
We need to go for a gorilla kpf, pack crashing, intimidating. Whether that be draft or trade.
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Mitch Cleary speaks EXCLUSIVELY with Josh Schache on Footy Classifield tonight as rumours continue to circulate around his future.
#9FootyClassified from 9.10pm.
https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/869124593516068864
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"He hasn't been shopping me, he hasn't been doing anything wrong" - Schache on his manager.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/869162521160105984
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"He hasn't been shopping me, he hasn't been doing anything wrong" - Schache on his manager.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/869162521160105984
Schache just looked like a kid who's miserable
Didn't sound convincing about anything
Felt sorry for him, he's just a kid
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Agreed, some people can handle it better than others. Feel sorry for him. But then again I also think, you were lucky enough to get drafted mate, if you're set on leaving atleast honour the games you have left at Brisbane.
Gotta feel for Brisbane honestly. No one wants to get drafted there. I know a kid who got drafted there last year from Vic, haven't spoken to him but I bet he'll be coming home asap.
How are they meant to remain competitive when they're draftees go home after 2 years. And then the picks they get for trading him will probably also wanna go home after they are drafted.
Would all these players still want to go home if Brisbane had the success and culture of say hawthorn the last decade?
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If you grew up playing and living footy then Brisbane is the last place you want to be. There are only two sporting things Brisbane has any interest in and that's the Broncos and the Maroons. In my 20 years growing up there the only time footy got any airtime was during the three peat but that also coincided with an out of form Broncos.
The local talent is average and they will hardly give the locals a look in *ahem grumblegrumble*. The club is doomed and the sooner the AFL just accept it and consolidate their loss the better.
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It's just a boring stuffing place, Brisbane will send you into a coma it is dull as dogshit second only to Canberra and Canberra has strippers
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'It has been a little bit tough': Schache opens up
afl.com.au
30 May 2017
BRISBANE Lions young forward Josh Schache admits the constant speculation surrounding his playing future has been "tough" to handle and "blown up out of nowhere".
The 19-year-old, whose contract expires at season's end, was last week granted leave from the Lions to return to his Victorian home, however the club stressed it was unrelated to his contract status.
After being axed from the Lions' squad in round nine, Schache had next to no impact in the NEAFL clash with Greater Western Sydney that same weekend, finishing with just four disposals, two tackles, two marks and one goal.
Schache said he was going through a difficult period in his second year at the elite level.
"It has been a little bit tough. I'd be lying if it wasn't tough," Schache told Channel Nine on Monday night.
"A lot of the speculation (that has) been going through the media has been blown up out of nowhere.
"(My manager) hasn't been shopping me, he hasn't been doing anything wrong so … it's been pretty hard to believe with what the media has been saying.
"I'm enjoying my time at the Brisbane Lions, I'll work with my manager and see how things go."
Schache, who was recruited by the Lions with pick No.2 in the 2015 NAB AFL Draft, is considering a possible return to Victoria.
The 199cm goalkicker said he was appreciative of the mid-season rest.
"I'm very thankful for what the club's been able to do for me, my family and working closely with my management," Schache said.
"I couldn't say anything bad about the Brisbane Lions, they've been awesome supporting me through this time with the family and I couldn't thank them enough."
Just over a week ago, Lions coach Chris Fagan said he felt "really sorry" for Schache because his contract status had affected his on-field performance.
The Lions' coach added first-round draftees should be locked into minimum four-year deals when they are first recruited.
Currently, players sign two-year contracts when they are drafted.
"They're not really mentally mature enough at this age to make those decisions and put themselves under this sort of pressure," Fagan told radio station 3AW, before turning his attention to Schache.
"I feel really sorry for him – he's a terrific young man, he trains hard and he wants to do his best.
"Unfortunately, right at the moment, on top of all the speculation he's lost a bit of form, so hopefully it'll come back in the weeks to come."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-29/it-has-been-a-little-bit-tough-schache-opens-up
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would cost and would be hard to budge out of WA. But Tom Barass is out of the eagles team again seems atm if theres a scape goat hes it.
He would suit us down to the ground as far as key defenders go.
The tall fwd who may not cost a lot and seems to be on the outer is Jack Redpath. Hes no A grader but hes a solid footballer kicked 20 goals in 10 games in 2016 and he may not cost the earth.
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Redpath's also had three knee recos....
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This Schache kid sounds like another girlsblouse-crybaby-mummy'sboy.
No wonder Richmond are "very keen". :rollin
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If you grew up playing and living footy then Brisbane is the last place you want to be. There are only two sporting things Brisbane has any interest in and that's the Broncos and the Maroons. In my 20 years growing up there the only time footy got any airtime was during the three peat but that also coincided with an out of form Broncos.
The local talent is average and they will hardly give the locals a look in *ahem grumblegrumble*. The club is doomed and the sooner the AFL just accept it and consolidate their loss the better.
yeah true but JBrown had no issues mate nor did a few other handy Victorians going up there
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Helps when you walk into a good side
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Helps when you walk into a good side
Very true.
If you grew up playing and living footy then Brisbane is the last place you want to be. There are only two sporting things Brisbane has any interest in and that's the Broncos and the Maroons. In my 20 years growing up there the only time footy got any airtime was during the three peat but that also coincided with an out of form Broncos.
The local talent is average and they will hardly give the locals a look in *ahem grumblegrumble*. The club is doomed and the sooner the AFL just accept it and consolidate their loss the better.
Brisbane = Adelaide in shorts.
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If you grew up playing and living footy then Brisbane is the last place you want to be. There are only two sporting things Brisbane has any interest in and that's the Broncos and the Maroons. In my 20 years growing up there the only time footy got any airtime was during the three peat but that also coincided with an out of form Broncos.
The local talent is average and they will hardly give the locals a look in *ahem grumblegrumble*. The club is doomed and the sooner the AFL just accept it and consolidate their loss the better.
Schache's father player up there, and I seem to recall that when he got drafted to the Lions, he was rapt. He seemed to be one of the few who found a positive in being drafted to the Lions.
The local talent across the board might just be average, but I wouldn't mind having access to their academy year in year out. They still produce some pretty darned good footy players up there.
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If you grew up playing and living footy then Brisbane is the last place you want to be. There are only two sporting things Brisbane has any interest in and that's the Broncos and the Maroons. In my 20 years growing up there the only time footy got any airtime was during the three peat but that also coincided with an out of form Broncos.
The local talent is average and they will hardly give the locals a look in *ahem grumblegrumble*. The club is doomed and the sooner the AFL just accept it and consolidate their loss the better.
Schache's father player up there, and I seem to recall that when he got drafted to the Lions, he was rapt. He seemed to be one of the few who found a positive in being drafted to the Lions.
The local talent across the board might just be average, but I wouldn't mind having access to their academy year in year out. They still produce some pretty darned good footy players up there.
He did said that, but I don't think he is from there himself. I still maintain it's a junk joint for footy though. The locals don't care for it, in fact they vehemently oppose it and the AFL as a product is never ever going to succeed in such a hostile market. My entire time growing up there I copped "AFL" and "aerial ping pong." I went back for a funeral a couple years ago and remember listening to some knobs on their Triple M absolutely pile into our game for a good 15-20 minute. Add that to the team being rubbish for a decade and no wonder 18 year olds from interstate can'twait to leave once they get there. When I was going through there was no academy to nurture the talent but I did train a couple summers with Brisbane's rookies and other zone prospects as a junior. We were basically told if we didn't go as a zone selection to Brisbane then we were pretty much out of luck as the rest of the competition didn't rate Queensland talent which is probably a fair assessment. There have been some great players come out of there and of course not every single interstate player wants to leave, but their retention rate is always going to be worse than everyone else's for the reasons I mentioned and that's a massive blow when it's constantly first and second round picks wanting to leave.
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They shouldn't have two teams that's for damn sure....
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If you grew up playing and living footy then Brisbane is the last place you want to be. There are only two sporting things Brisbane has any interest in and that's the Broncos and the Maroons. In my 20 years growing up there the only time footy got any airtime was during the three peat but that also coincided with an out of form Broncos.
The local talent is average and they will hardly give the locals a look in *ahem grumblegrumble*. The club is doomed and the sooner the AFL just accept it and consolidate their loss the better.
Schache's father player up there, and I seem to recall that when he got drafted to the Lions, he was rapt. He seemed to be one of the few who found a positive in being drafted to the Lions.
The local talent across the board might just be average, but I wouldn't mind having access to their academy year in year out. They still produce some pretty darned good footy players up there.
He did said that, but I don't think he is from there himself. I still maintain it's a junk joint for footy though. The locals don't care for it, in fact they vehemently oppose it and the AFL as a product is never ever going to succeed in such a hostile market. My entire time growing up there I copped "AFL" and "aerial ping pong." I went back for a funeral a couple years ago and remember listening to some knobs on their Triple M absolutely pile into our game for a good 15-20 minute. Add that to the team being rubbish for a decade and no wonder 18 year olds from interstate can'twait to leave once they get there. When I was going through there was no academy to nurture the talent but I did train a couple summers with Brisbane's rookies and other zone prospects as a junior. We were basically told if we didn't go as a zone selection to Brisbane then we were pretty much out of luck as the rest of the competition didn't rate Queensland talent which is probably a fair assessment. There have been some great players come out of there and of course not every single interstate player wants to leave, but their retention rate is always going to be worse than everyone else's for the reasons I mentioned and that's a massive blow when it's constantly first and second round picks wanting to leave.
I am certainly hearing you. I have felt for a long time that the AFL's success in both QLD and NSW is directly linked to the inflated artificial success of the teams based there. When the flags and competitiveness dry up, there seems to be a lack of real/core supporter interest and drive to bring more success. Hence COLA, academies, the $$$s and everything else that those clubs have been given to make them competitive.
I am a Sandgroper, but it really riles me that a footballing state like Tassie doesn't have a team in the AFL. I understand the argument that they would struggle to host a financially viable team, but they would need a lot less support than GWS or GC have received. And they would be a fair bit more competitive without a raft of concessions as well.
Mind you, we would probably lose both Jack and Nank, so maybe in 10 years or so.
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The reason for the AFL expansion into NSW and Queensland is population numbers.
Right now roughly half of Australia's population lives in NSW and Queensland. Specifically the coast region from Wollongong to the Sunshine coast. That is 12million people.
Growth predictions are for this to double in the next 30 to 60 years.
The AFL are not aiming at converting the people who are there now. It is targeting the people who are not yet even born. Very long term strategy in play.
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They shouldn't have two teams that's for damn sure....
AGREE 100%
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There is only one uncontracted player I would go 'out on a limb' for and that is Josh Kelly from GWS. In fact the tigers should be focused on him right now. A midfield of Dusty, Cotch, Kelly and Prestia would beat anyone. As for the CHF we only need a slight upgrade on Elton to be set, so either look around the minor leagues or for those players being shunted out of good AFL sides for a bargain. We must not over reach for Schache imo. One name I'd like to put up is Tippet (Swans). Players can sometimes improve at their third club and Sydney is screaming out for salary cap relief.
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There is only one uncontracted player I would go 'out on a limb' for and that is Josh Kelly from GWS. In fact the tigers should be focused on him right now. A midfield of Dusty, Cotch, Kelly and Prestia would beat anyone. As for the CHF we only need a slight upgrade on Elton to be set, so either look around the minor leagues or for those players being shunted out of good AFL sides for a bargain. We must not over reach for Schache imo. One name I'd like to put up is Tippet (Swans). Players can sometimes improve at their third club and Sydney is screaming out for salary cap relief.
Yeah they were talking about Tippet on SEN this morning. Apparently they'd let him go and foot 25% of the bill (cap wise). He only has one more year left. Would have a look if it wasn't for much. Bring in Schache and let him play on the 3rd defender while learning from Jack. I'd be happy with that.
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There is only one uncontracted player I would go 'out on a limb' for and that is Josh Kelly from GWS. In fact the tigers should be focused on him right now. A midfield of Dusty, Cotch, Kelly and Prestia would beat anyone. As for the CHF we only need a slight upgrade on Elton to be set, so either look around the minor leagues or for those players being shunted out of good AFL sides for a bargain. We must not over reach for Schache imo. One name I'd like to put up is Tippet (Swans). Players can sometimes improve at their third club and Sydney is screaming out for salary cap relief.
Yeah they were talking about Tippet on SEN this morning. Apparently they'd let him go and foot 25% of the bill (cap wise). He only has one more year left. Would have a look if it wasn't for much. Bring in Schache and let him play on the 3rd defender while learning from Jack. I'd be happy with that.
Tippet would also accept a pay cut imo as he is on the wrong side of 30 and gets a chance to have the 'Richmond Experience'. Offer him 500k and Sydney a third rounder.
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Rumour is Miles is going to sydney.. maybe something can be worked out there.
What happens after Tippett though?
For that matter we need to start working on a succession plan for Reiwoldt and Rance, desperately need a couple of genuine big young blokes in to develop over the next few seasons. Need to do that now so there is a crossover of several seasons otherwise they wont get to learn on field from 2 of the best and we wont get a chance at competing for a flag. I hope our list managers have already thought about this and are are doing everything they can to bring in several KP prospects not just 1 in Schache.
Thats the reason why Im such a big advocate of going out and landing Reid and Trengove (at the very least 1 of them in free agency). We are light on in that department, if we can stock up on 2 that will instantaneously be best 22, that will be massive for us and give new draftees more time and less pressure to develop
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Tippet's a hack.
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In the least offensive way possible, Tippet moves and looks like a woman. Is a potato to boot too.
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The club should just go and get Jake Lever and pay him what he will be worth in a couple of years, and that's heaps. Give them Edwards and one of our first rounders.
KPD for the next 10 years.
We must keep the other first round draft pick and draft a KPF.
Then get Reid as a free agent to play forward and help Jack.
Wipe clean the list of Batchelor, Maric, Hunt, Townsend, Hampson, Morris, Griffiths, Houli and Elton
Trade out, Edwards, Conca and Miles for picks 3rd round or earlier and draft more ruckman and KPP.
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Tippet's a hack.
Agree. Also injury prone
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Tippet's a hack.
Agree. Also injury prone
According to some site experts Hampson is better than Tippett
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Tippet's a hack.
Agree. Also injury prone
According to some site experts Hampson is better than Tippett
Gee wiz :help
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Tippet's a hack.
Agree. Also injury prone
According to some site experts Hampson is better than Tippett
Of course he is, especially while he's injured and isn't playing
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There is only one uncontracted player I would go 'out on a limb' for and that is Josh Kelly from GWS. In fact the tigers should be focused on him right now. A midfield of Dusty, Cotch, Kelly and Prestia would beat anyone. As for the CHF we only need a slight upgrade on Elton to be set, so either look around the minor leagues or for those players being shunted out of good AFL sides for a bargain. We must not over reach for Schache imo. One name I'd like to put up is Tippet (Swans). Players can sometimes improve at their third club and Sydney is screaming out for salary cap relief.
The "retirement club". He's an extortionist
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Tippet probably plays less games then Griffiths and that tells yah something... Tippet has been average in a good side for years and he is ont he same page as a vickery so no thanks...
As someone said Miles future is up in the air know and he would have known that when preista come on board sydeny could use him small ground hed love that and maybe we can work on reid in a trade and swap draft picks..
lets face it there has to be a heap of people better then Elton hampson out there...
the 2nd tall also needs to be able toplay ruck and help nank out
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If Miles is actually off to Sydney then we should package him up as part of a deal for Zak Jones... :shh
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Here's the full list of this year's free agents:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-02/whos-on-the-move-every-free-agent-analysed
Jackson Trengove (Port Adelaide):
The versatile tall has increasingly played in attack this year when he hasn't been pinch-hitting in the ruck. Has attracted interest, especially in his home state, Victoria, but is already well paid at Port Adelaide, which has the right to match any rival offers given the 26-year-old's restricted status.
Sam Reid (Sydney):
The most sought-after tall in this year's free agency group, Reid has attracted feverish interest in his home state, Victoria, with Richmond and Collingwood believed to be leading the chase. Expected to attract rival offers of up to $800,000 a season, but Reid said in April he hoped to re-sign with the Swans. Sydney will also have the right to match any opposition offers given Reid's restricted status, although its efforts to re-sign the 25-year-old could be compromised by its tight salary cap and the rising market value of out-of-contract Swans defender Zak Jones.
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If Miles is actually off to Sydney then we should package him up as part of a deal for Zak Jones... :shh
Zak Jones is panels ahead of Miles. Minimum would be a first rounder
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Hence why I didn't suggest a straight swap would get it done.
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If Miles is actually off to Sydney then we should package him up as part of a deal for Zak Jones... :shh
Zak Jones is panels ahead of Miles. Minimum would be a first rounder
He is not worth a first rounder at this stage imo. Not even close.
We need to keep ours for KPP.
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If Miles is actually off to Sydney then we should package him up as part of a deal for Zak Jones... :shh
Zak Jones is panels ahead of Miles. Minimum would be a first rounder
He is not worth a first rounder at this stage imo. Not even close.
We need to keep ours for KPP.
Agree 100%.
Why would we need to get Zac Jones anyway?
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Because he's a very good player not even at his peak yet and can play inside and down back, two areas whre we need more quality & depth. :shh
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He's everything Houli isn't.
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Because he's a very good player not even at his peak yet and can play inside and down back, two areas whre we need more quality & depth. :shh
Would you give away one of our first rounders for him?
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Because he's a very good player not even at his peak yet and can play inside and down back, two areas whre we need more quality & depth. :shh
We you give away one of our first rounders for him?
That question should probably be our first 1st rounder. I get the feeling our second will be used securing Patrick Naish.
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Because he's a very good player not even at his peak yet and can play inside and down back, two areas whre we need more quality & depth. :shh
We you give away one of our first rounders for him?
That question should probably be our first 1st rounder. I get the feeling our second will be used securing Patrick Naish.
Someone will bid just to push us to use it, we seem to do it to everyone else
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Because he's a very good player not even at his peak yet and can play inside and down back, two areas whre we need more quality & depth. :shh
We you give away one of our first rounders for him?
That question should probably be our first 1st rounder. I get the feeling our second will be used securing Patrick Naish.
haven't got a 2nd rounder next draft have we ?
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Because he's a very good player not even at his peak yet and can play inside and down back, two areas whre we need more quality & depth. :shh
Would you give away one of our first rounders for him?
Yes, no, maybe...
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Please do it Chris Fagen :pray :pray
If Schache wants out, he could be banished to NEAFL
Dinny Navaratnam June 4, 2017 3:00 PM
IF YOUNG Brisbane Lions forward Josh Schache announces he wants to leave the club before the end of the season, coach Chris Fagan will "think twice" about whether the Victorian will play in the senior side again.
Schache took leave and returned home to Seymour after playing in the NEAFL a fortnight ago.
The 19-year-old will return to the club on Monday and the coach has been in contact with the key forward.
The No.2 pick in the 2015 NAB AFL Draft is out of contract at the end of the season and Fagan told Fox Footy if Schache decides he wants out, he might struggle to play in the AFL again this year.
"It's an interesting one about the continuation to play. If a guy decides he's going to leave your footy club and he's not going to help you into the future, and you're not in the finals race, you probably have to think twice about investing games into him, as opposed to another young player who's going to stay," Fagan said.
The Lions are on the bottom of the ladder, having lost nine straight matches since beating Gold Coast in round one.
Schache has struggled this season, playing six games for six goals.
Fagan said he would not be part of discussions with Schache's manager David Trotter, instead leaving it to Lions football manager David Noble. The coach was unsure when Schache would make his decision.
"I don't know what the timeframe is on that. I don't know whether the two weeks will escalate things or not," Fagan said.
Schache wanted to play for the Lions in the lead-up to being drafted because his late father Laurence played 29 games for the Brisbane Bears.
Fagan is still the Lions would retain Schache.
"I'm very hopeful that he'll stay. I think Brisbane's looked after him incredibly well. I'm not in Josh's mind and body, and he might be incredibly homesick. That's something that's very difficult to stop, if that's what's happening," Fagan said.
"I know that we've done everything as a club to help him and I know he knows that. We'll just see how it goes but I've still got a strong level of optimism that he'll stay with us."
In any case, Fagan expects to see Schache in a much better mood upon his return.
"The break here at home's done him the world of good and hopefully when he comes back tomorrow he's a happier chap than what he was when he came home. It's important to look after the wellbeing of your players and he's been under a lot of pressure," Fagan said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-04/if-schache-wants-out-fagan-may-banish-him-to-neafl
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When was the last time we used our first pick on a KPP?
Jack?
That's about 10 odd years ago.
That really doesn't make much sense does it??
It's time I'd say....
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When was the last time we used our first pick on a KPP?
Jack?
That's about 10 odd years ago.
That really doesn't make much sense does it??
It's time I'd say....
'07 we took Rance with our 2nd pick (end of first round), when we couldn't say no to Cotchin at #2.
'08 we took Vickery
'09 we took Griffiths with our 2nd pick (also end of first round) when we couldn't say no to Martin at #3.
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Vickery was supposed to be a ruckman, not a KPP.
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When was the last time we used our first pick on a KPP?
Jack?
That's about 10 odd years ago.
That really doesn't make much sense does it??
It's time I'd say....
'07 we took Rance with our 2nd pick (end of first round), when we couldn't say no to Cotchin at #2.
'08 we took Vickery
'09 we took Griffiths with our 2nd pick (also end of first round) when we couldn't say no to Martin at #3.
That stuff for the '07 draft.
Vickery was taken as a ruckman not KPP.
So with our FIRST pick we haven't picked a KPP since Jack 11 drafts ago.
Without knowing I'd say we are the only club to hold that great record.
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I don't think you should waste a first pick on a speculative KPP if a genuinely good mid is available. If we did that in the 07 draft we would have ended up getting Grant (going by the first KPP taken after our pick) instead of Cotchin.
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I don't think you should waste a first pick on a speculative KPP if a genuinely good mid is available. If we did that in the 07 draft we would have ended up getting Grant (going by the first KPP taken after our pick) instead of Cotchin.
I didn't say we needed to pick a KPP every draft with our first pick, just that we hadn't taken one since Jack.
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Any love for Billy Hartung?
Not sure if he is injured, but certainly doesn't seem to be in favour at the Hawks at the moment.
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IF YOUNG Brisbane Lions forward Josh Schache announces he wants to leave the club before the end of the season, coach Chris Fagan will "think twice" about whether the Victorian will play in the senior side again.
Schache took leave and returned home to Seymour after playing in the NEAFL a fortnight ago.
The 19-year-old will return to the club on Monday and the coach has been in contact with the key forward.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-04/if-schache-wants-out-fagan-may-banish-him-to-neafl
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I don't think you should waste a first pick on a speculative KPP if a genuinely good mid is available. If we did that in the 07 draft we would have ended up getting Grant (going by the first KPP taken after our pick) instead of Cotchin.
I didn't say we needed to pick a KPP every draft with our first pick, just that we hadn't taken one since Jack.
Tyrone
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I don't think you should waste a first pick on a speculative KPP if a genuinely good mid is available. If we did that in the 07 draft we would have ended up getting Grant (going by the first KPP taken after our pick) instead of Cotchin.
I didn't say we needed to pick a KPP every draft with our first pick, just that we hadn't taken one since Jack.
Tyrone
He was a KPP in my book by not according to some ;)
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IF YOUNG Brisbane Lions forward Josh Schache announces he wants to leave the club before the end of the season, coach Chris Fagan will "think twice" about whether the Victorian will play in the senior side again.
Schache took leave and returned home to Seymour after playing in the NEAFL a fortnight ago.
The 19-year-old will return to the club on Monday and the coach has been in contact with the key forward.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-04/if-schache-wants-out-fagan-may-banish-him-to-neafl
I agree with Fagan on this. Why would you waste your precious game time on the guy if he wants to leave? Give it to a longer term prospect.
Can't see it affecting his trade value in any way. The clubs that have convinced him to leave will stay pay the same price.
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If one of our first rounders is enough Id definitely use it to draft Schache, and use the other in the draft. No way would I want us to give away 2 x first rounders for him
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Forget Schache - go for Kelly and grab Reid or Trengove FA , X.Richards for nix then draft Will Sutherland or Tom McCartin.
FFS we only need our second forward to be an upgrade Elton, Hamspud & Griffiths & can ruck at a half serviceble level. Hell, Chol & Moore will probably at least be better than the first two a year from now.
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Forget Schache - go for Kelly and grab Reid or Trengove FA , X.Richards for nix then draft Will Sutherland or Tom McCartin.
FFS we only need our second forward to be an upgrade Elton, Hamspud & Griffiths & can ruck at a half serviceble level. Hell, Chol & Moore will probably at least be better than the first two a year from now.
You think we can get Kelly? Would require both our first rounders I'm sure, aside from cap space. I'm expecting we'll be paying Dusty 1.2 mill by this time next year.
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If North reckon they can afford both than I'm sure we could after we clear out the deadwood plus Yarran & Deledio's money on top of TPP increase...plus we'd probably front end Martin's contract & back end Kelly's..I'd give them one of this year's first rounder & next year's first ....that's what Collingwood paid for Treloar.....but he's far better than Treloar so I'd even chuck in a player like C.Ellis or even next year's second as well if they pushed the point...will be the best player in the comp. in two years and make us a genuine flag contender.... :shh
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This is what we should do in the trade period:
1st pick in year afters draft for Schache (let's not kid around he is worth a 1st rounder just due to the fact he was pick 2)
1st years pick this year to Hawks for Gunston
Keep our other first round and get the best mid available.
Round 1 Team 2018
B Grimes, Rance, Short
HB Houli, Astbury, McIntosh
C: B Ellis, D Prestia, Grigg
HF Rioli, Reiwoldt, Caddy
F Gunston, Schache, Butler
R Nankervis, Cotchin, Martin
Int: Castagna, Graham, Edwards, Vlastuin
If we can get a KPD or Ruckman in the free agency period as back up that would be great
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That's just stupid....so we'll probably do it and at least you'll be happy....
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Any love for Billy Hartung?
No :chuck
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If North reckon they can afford both than I'm sure we could after we clear out the deadwood plus Yarran & Deledio's money on top of TPP increase...plus we'd probably front end Martin's contract & back end Kelly's..I'd give them one of this year's first rounder & next year's first ....that's what Collingwood paid for Treloar.....but he's far better than Treloar so I'd even chuck in a player like C.Ellis or even next year's second as well if they pushed the point...will be the best player in the comp. in two years and make us a genuine flag contender.... :shh
Hey, I like it. A Lot. But it means we go another year without addressing our KP problem. We surely give up all our drafting capacity for next year if we get Kelly. Rance and Astbury probably only have a few years left playing the way they are, and Jack desperately needs someone forward. Schache isn't the answer for next year, but I'm confident he'll come good at some stage. To finish, I'll contradict myself one last time by saying that we ARE a young team but all our A grade talent are in their primes (and possibly past it re: Jack), so recruiting for right now makes sense....from a certain point of view.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5lcOlLXEzfA/VmZY6oHaFSI/AAAAAAAADuM/QQPrJqiwzX0/s1600/MV5BNTk1ODI3MTM5N15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTgzMTY2Mw%2540%2540._V1__SX1303_SY581_.jpg)
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Well that's why we go get Trengove & X.Richards and draft McCartin or Sutherand if availaible.....then get someone like Tom Goodwin from Coburg...
Then we have (assuming Griffiths & Hamspud both retire - though I think the latter won't)
Trengove - genuine Swingman who can also ruck
Richards - genuine Swingman
McCartin KPF or Sutherland KPF/mid
Goodwin -ruck
Chol- ruck /fwd
Moore - KPD/Swingman
Soldo- ruck
Garthwaite - KPD/Swingman
Up forward they just need to be good enough to be a decent decoy for Jack and a marking target who can bring the ball to ground .that's better than Elton & Hamspud & more competative, less injury prone than Griffiths, which shouldn't be too hard.
I'd like to see us use Astbury forward more as well. We could do this with the addition of Trengove and/or Richards, we can also get a decent KPD late - Footscray & Essendon found good ones from the state leagues. Also if we gave GWS three picks or two picks & a player for Kelly, they might chuck in a fringe player in return. :shh
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Players I like:
Lever
Matthew Kennedy
Schacke
Hopper
Kelly
Would like one or two of those if possible.
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Very clickbaity but I liked what I read about Schache:
http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/list/the-rover-surprise-suitor-joins-the-martin-and-fyfe-race-afl-australian-football-league-free-agency-nat-fyfe-dustin-martin-adelaide-crows-richmond-ti/a9tarwv27l9a11hw7pnjtg9nz/slide/3
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Schache off the market.
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Lions coup: Young star Schache signs new deal
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
June 8, 2017 3:01 PM
THE BRISBANE Lions have secured young key forward Josh Schache for a further two seasons, blindsiding Melbourne rivals who had started to circle the talented No.2 draft pick.
Schache, who was out of contract at the end of this season, has signed on until the end of 2019, declaring he wanted to repay the faith the club had put in him as a teenager.
"Having been at the Lions for a couple of years and seeing where we are headed, I’m really excited about our future," Schache told the club's website.
"I enjoy living in Brisbane and playing footy with a committed and hard working group."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-08/lions-coup-josh-schache-signs-new-deal
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The Lions are understood to have offered Schache, 19, a base contract of about $350,000, with incentives that would enable him to earn around the $500,000 mark if he played games and performed.
The contract offer was for a short-term of two or three years and was made prior to Schache returning home to Victoria — with the club’s blessing — during Brisbane’s bye last week.
It is understood that the Lions, at this stage, are not prepared to pay Schache the $600,000 or more that club great Jonathan Brown said would be necessary to secure the youngster.
Industry sources said the offer tabled by the Lions, while substantial for a player who is just 19 and who is a long way from maturity, is well short of what Schache would be expected to command from a Melbourne-based club if he left, given the market for key forwards.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/brisbane-makes-an-official-contract-offer-to-outofcontract-young-key-forward-josh-schache/news-story/1be11a37bb71361010bea50e33e7cfce
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Close thread - he has resigned with the Lions.
Just goes to show no one in the media really has any idea what is going on.
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Good....now stop fartarsing about and go for Kelly....
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in a way good, still have two first rounders in the upcoming draft with a number of good talls by all reports
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Redpath's also had three knee recos....
Dont have a problem with it did two knees before he was 21 has not had a serious leg injury until rnd 18 last yr when he did another knee.
He missed some time with a broken wrist or arm i think.
The bloke is going at 2 goals a game over the last two seasons all be it only 12 games and thats the key, he aint getting a big go at it so far this yr and thus he may be cheap.
So far this yr hes played just two games and kicked 5 goals. i like the way he plays and providing we do due diligence regarding his knees and he comes at a decent cost then id be happy to take a punt on him.
Tom Barass is the one i would go hard at super mark and super strong in the air and a genuine kpp size but hes a wa lad and it would be hard to prize him away but atm he is in and out of their team.
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Meh...think I'd even take Casboult before Redpath...reckon if we chuck enough at GWS for Kelly they might even chuck in Himmelburg as steak knives....:shh
in a way good, still have two first rounders in the upcoming draft with a number of good talls by all reports
http://footyprophet.com/class-of-2017-forwards/
Jarrod Brander sounds exciting.....wonder if Brisbane would swap both our firsts for their #1 pick? (presuming we don't go for Kelly) :shh
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pipe dreams Dio. Look at the history we aint getting big names better to plan for the draft and address our needs with some solid short term fixes that dont cost the earth.
Csboult would be an option but he aint leaving Carlton besides i think Redpath the more talented player.either one would ease a serious problem
Kelly looks a beaut player but hes just one player and the needs are many.
Would definately cost us our two first rounders and we already dont have a second rounder.
If we go hard for kelly it will mean we must find some shorter term solutions like Redpath or Casboult because we sure wont/ dont have the currency to go after A graders
Personally i would prefer we trade into a top 10 pick how we do that without giving up at least one of our first rounders i have no idea but say pick 7 somehow and going by current ladder position picks 15 and 16 would be great.
plug a few holes with cheap trades and f/as and take a longer term view. It is probably where we are truly at anyway.
How do we get into our club a quality kpf, A quality kpd and a quality mid preferably a big tough inside one.it wont happen and thats what needs to happen.
On Gws i think the days of fire sales are over they have cut their numbers back and they now have to work on a similar salary cap basis as all clubs.Yep i think that boat has sailed and we missed it. If clubs want one of their players from here on in i reckon they will have to pay the price so no i dont think players like Himmelberg will become steak knives.
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Tiges into Tippett
Swans pay 50% of his salary
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So glad the Scache deal didn't happen. Get a mature back-up cheap and go after Kelly. If that fails we go for a young tall with one of our 1st round picks. Pick up a good mid with the other and parcel up remaining points to nab Naish.
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Tiges into Tippett
Swans pay 50% of his salary
Straight swap for Miles.
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Ah no
For those who listened 😉
This was first reported on SEN last Saturday on the Gladiators of Football
3AW and Kane Cornes are 5 days late
Stop pinching others mail I say
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Tippet belongs in the first three letters of his surname....
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Tippet belongs in the first three letters of his surname....
Yep. We should only take him if Sydney are paying 80% of his salary. And even then I am not convinced he is worth it.
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Collingwood, Carlton and Richmond have a dilemma after Josh Schache re-signed with Brisbane
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
June 9, 2017
A TRIO of Victorian clubs desperate to lure a key forward will have to shift targets after the surprise signing of Brisbane’s Josh Schache.
A series of heart-to-hearts with his family and manager in Seymour convinced Schache to sign a new two-year deal with the Lions.
It was a huge boost for the 18th-placed Lions, attempting to stop a player drain and aware Victorian clubs would throw huge money at the No.2 pick of the 2015 draft.
The Lions have finished better than 10th just once in the past 13 seasons — their sole top-eight appearance in 2009.
Carlton, Collingwood and Richmond are intent on shoring up their key forward stocks and have salary cap room to burn.
They will now shift their targets to the shrinking pool of uncontracted key-position players or pivot to lure a contracted player to their clubs.
Carlton’s Levi Casboult and Sydney free agent Sam Reid head that queue, with Adelaide’s Mitch McGovern also out of contract.
Hawthorn’s Jack Gunston has been raised by commentators as a player the Hawks must consider trading to freshen their list.
But at 25 and having only last year signed a new deal, the Hawks have no interest in doing so.
Schache returned to the Lions from a two-week break having discussed his position with mother Rachel and manager David Trotter.
Despite interest from rivals the timeline for his decision had always been at the midpoint of the season.
When he got back to Brisbane on Monday he had already made up his mind to stay, with negotiations quickly completed.
“Having been at the Lions for a couple of years and seeing where we are headed, I’m really excited about our future,” said Schache.
“I enjoy living in Brisbane and playing footy with a committed and hard working group.”
The club is also hopeful of securing free agent Tom Rockliff.
Trotter, always adamant no other club had offered Schache a contract, said the commitment was not a dramatic change of heart.
“The message the whole way along was to sit down at the midpoint of the season. Going home allowed him to have a few of those conversations and he was really happy to jump on board again.”
Carlton’s Casboult told the Herald Sun last month he would only consider contract talks at the end of the year.
He was a Carlton supporter growing up but with improved accuracy this year (17.4) is a much more attractive proposition.
Sydney says it has had contract discussions with free agent Reid, with the Victorian kicking 15 goals before Thursday night.
But he has never kicked more than 31 goals in a season and had only four goals in his last six weeks before the clash against the Bulldogs.
Richmond will be desperate to lure another key tall despite its exceptional performances in a forward line built around Jack Riewoldt.
Riewoldt turns 29 in October and having lost Ty Vickery to free agency, backup Ben Griffiths has serious concussion issues and no other key forward has emerged.
St Kilda forward Patrick McCartin has only just fought his way back into the Saints forward line amid speculation he might be a trade target.
But with Nick Riewoldt battling knee issues and McCartin playing seniors he would seem less likely to want a new home.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/collingwood-carlton-and-richmond-have-a-dilemma-after-josh-schache-resigned-with-brisbane/news-story/c98a5f142b0ade22d7eb562a5cd4e2a5
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Should the Tigers recruit Tippett?
3aw
9 June 2017
Following today’s news that Josh Schache has committed to Brisbane until 2019, it leaves the Tigers empty handed.
It has been reported that Richmond were chasing the former number 2 draft pick, however after much speculation in recent weeks, Schache will stay a Lion.
Speaking on 3AW Football, Kane Cornes suggested Kurt Tippett as a possible target for Richmond.
“They desperately need a key forward,” he said.
The AFL industry is quick to forget just how good some players can be, according to Cornes.
“When he was fit and in form, he’s one of the premier ruckman in the competition who can go forward and take a mark.”
“You’re not going to pay overs for him, but I think it works.”
http://www.3aw.com.au/should-the-tigers-recruit-tippett/
From SEN & Inside Football's Brett Anderson's twitter:
"Long way until silly season, but when it comes to Kurt Tippett's future, if its not at Sydney, keep an eye on Richmond."
https://twitter.com/BAndersonSEN/status/872773104514211840
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Tippet belongs in the first three letters of his surname....
Exactly.
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Tippet belongs in the first three letters of his surname....
:clapping :clapping
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tippett is as bad as vickery in my opinion
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tippett is as bad as vickery in my opinion
Far better than Ty at his best.
Better ruck by a hectare and a better forward
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Going to be a few unhappy posters on here
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tippett is as bad as vickery in my opinion
Far better than Ty at his best.
Better ruck by a hectare and a better forward
not from what ive seen. Marginally better statistically in both those areas so on that you are right.
each to their own i guess but IMV they are both junk
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Similar players but Tippett has a small excuse. He has had a few injuries of late that have stopped him.
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Similar players but Tippett has a small excuse. He has had a few injuries of late that have stopped him.
Like Hampson?
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Ask Nank what he thinks re TIP-PIT
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If we're to capitalise on our resurgent game plan while our best players are in their prime and push for a quick flag I think we are in dire need of a genuine forward/ruck option. While I wouldn't be that pleased with Tippett I would be too upset if we got him for very little and Sydney were covering a chunk of his contract as long as we used our better trade currency to actually bring in genuine quality to improve other areas. Then I would consider the net gain rather than the individual. I just don't think there are many other realistic, ready to players to suit this position. Reid as a FA sure but just as injury prone and unreliable as Griffiths. Redpath equally injury prone and just not very good. Others have to be traded for. Really just comparing turds but it's our own fault for failing dismally in developing players for this position.
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Go easy on the bloke peoples. Not his fault he might be drafted by us. Hes a great guy off the field and apparently owns a restaurant too.
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Similar players but Tippett has a small excuse. He has had a few injuries of late that have stopped him.
Like Hampson?
Lol. Nobody is like Hampson!
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Going to be a few unhappy posters on here
Like you know anything....
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Going to be a few unhappy posters on here
Why because Mike's son has started another rumour on the wireless last weekend?
He doesn't have a great record over the last few years ;D
But it's nice to know there are at least a few people listening to the woeful show he is co-hosting on SEN on Saturday nights
:rollin :rollin
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Going to be a few unhappy posters on here
Like you know anything....
In all fairness to Jack, Caddy to North is still a possibility too.
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The only Tip-pet id want to see at Richmond
(http://www.fancypetrats.com/pet-rats-images/pet-rat-on-leash-2.jpg)
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Going to be a few unhappy posters on here
Why because Mike's son has started another rumour on the wireless last weekend?
He doesn't have a great record over the last few years ;D
But it's nice to know there are at least a few people listening to the woeful show he is co-hosting on SEN on Saturday nights
:rollin :rollin
He's a shocker.... :shh
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I think we could draft Vickery back :lol :lol :lol
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Going to be a few unhappy posters on here
Why because Mike's son has started another rumour on the wireless last weekend?
He doesn't have a great record over the last few years ;D
But it's nice to know there are at least a few people listening to the woeful show he is co-hosting on SEN on Saturday nights
:rollin :rollin
Lol
You must of been listening last Saturday night then ?
I should of given you a cherrio 😉
It's actually a great show that rates extremely well👍
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dont know why Carlton are always mentioned when it comes to young kpps man they have drafted a shedload of them over the past three seasons if most of them ultimately work out clubs will shaking that tree to try and prise the leftovers away.
Rather than target established mature talls like Tippett we should be looking at blokes who are not established arent getting a go because of others, who may not cost the earth have two or three yrs development and are in clubs with an abundance of talls.
I mean to say Brisbane fit this bill and we have an ex coach at the club who should know a bit about them.Close Gardiner Cutler even McStay come to mind.
they are valuable assets and to get one you will have to pay something decent and fair in return
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Tippet belongs in the first three letters of his surname....
Or he could come to Tigerland and be the coach's last three letters of his surname.
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Lol
You must of been listening last Saturday night then ?
I should of given you a cherrio 😉
It's actually a great show that rates extremely well👍
No I didn't and I don't because it's awful
listened once and turned off after 10 minutes.
Dont know how to break this you but I actually found out about it being on SEN via you
You posted it on here on the previous page of this thread :rollin
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Here's an idea - howzabout we get May and swing Astbury forward? :shh
Pretty sure Garthwaite can play forward too....
Trengove or Reid FA , first round tall, Goodwin, X.Richards, another KPP from the state leagues + Moore, Chol, Soldo and unfortunately Hamspud will probably still be hanging around like a bad odour for one more year.
Eazy Peazy Cheezy Peaz..... :shh
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Lol
You must of been listening last Saturday night then ?
I should of given you a cherrio 😉
It's actually a great show that rates extremely well👍
No I didn't and I don't because it's awful
listened once and turned off after 10 minutes.
Dont know how to break this you but I actually found out about it being on SEN via you
You posted it on here on the previous page of this thread :rollin
It's a free world
Don't listen
Don't bother me
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MELBOURNE is set to make a strong play to bring star Adelaide defender Jake Lever home to Victoria next season.
Lever and emerging Brisbane tall Daniel McStay (both 21) are primed for massive pay days with the Demons, Western Bulldogs and Hawthorn all seeking defensive reinforcements in this year’s trade period.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jake-lever-and-daniel-mcstay-in-sights-of-victorian-clubs-in-this-years-trade-period/news-story/41488cc02f736fd6f6dc42a55b963898
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From BF:
I'm hearing we're right into Tim O'Brien from the Hawks.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-trade-free-agency-watch-part-2.1168137/page-5#post-50785987
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I reckon if we could get Ried from Sydney as a FA to play forward, we could afford to trade our two first round picks for Lever to play back.
Surely if Lever wants to go home, 2 first rounders would be attractive to Adelaide.
So basically we get in Reid and Lever for roughly picks 16 and 18
Thoughts??
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I reckon if we could get Ried from Sydney as a FA to play forward, we could afford to trade our two first round picks for Lever to play back.
Surely if Lever wants to go home, 2 first rounders would be attractive to Adelaide.
So basically we get in Reid and Lever for roughly picks 16 and 18
Thoughts??
Not to two first rounders.We need to bank them at least one get som taleny in best available and one KP. Happy with our backline and Garwaithe developing and Moore.We need a forward .
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If we got Lever or McStay we could play Astbury forward, McStay can also play both ends - then get Richards for nix who's another swingman ...though none of that wouldn't really solve the second ruck problem like Trengove or Reid would...
Another I'd look at who I dont think has been mentioned here yet is Close from Brisbane.
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I would trade in Cotchin. Upgrade all the squibs.
Try and get Kelly. Make Rance captain.
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We're still short at least one quality mid. I rather throw everything at Kelly before hacks like Casboult, Tippet or Reid. Xavier Richards will cost nothing as will Tom Goodwin and someone like Close from Brisbane. Maybe snag Tom McCartin in the draft.(Reece McKenzie without the issues) Another pre-season into Chol, Moore & Garthwaite. Laughin'..... :shh
I would trade in Cotchin.
Because you're a fool?
Only mid who was busting his gut for the entirity of the last quarter...
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If we got Lever or McStay we could play Astbury forward, McStay can also play both ends - then get Richards for nix who's another swingman ...though none of that wouldn't really solve the second ruck problem like Trengove or Reid would...
Another I'd look at who I dont think has been mentioned here yet is Close from Brisbane.
I like this approach, but I think we leave Astbury in defence. He seems to have found his niche there. We need to find another tall KPF and a tall forward who can swing into the ruck as required. We don't need superstars, just players who can provide the contest and improve our team structure.
I certainly can't see these guys on our list at the moment, but I hope Chol and Moore prove me wrong. I think Garthwaite will be a good player for us, but only as a defender.
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We desperately need a 2nd Key Forward who can preferably pinch hit in the ruck
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The tall forwards Richmond should chase to help Jack Riewoldt and mosquito fleet
June 20, 2017
Sarah Olle
FOX SPORTS
WHILE Richmond’s mosquito fleet was the talk of the town at the beginning of the season, a string of close losses has brought not just the Tigers’ mindset, but structure, into question.
With Ben Griffiths suffering a plethora of concussions and Todd Elton dropped back to the VFL after kicking just one goal from six games, it’s clear more than ever that Jack Riewoldt needs some vertical assistance in the forward line.
On Saturday against the Swans, Riewoldt was the tallest of the starting Tiger forwards at 195cm.
Alongside him was Daniel Rioli (179cm), Dan Butler (182cm), Kane Lambert (178cm), Sam Lloyd (180cm) and Josh Caddy (186cm).
Shai Bolton (175cm) and Jason Castagna (181cm) also rotated through the forward line, while Dustin Martin (187cm) pinch hit as a medium-sized option.
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At the other end of the field, Sam Reid (196cm) and Lance Franklin (199cm) played at full forward and centre half forward, while youngsters Will Hayward (185cm) and George Hewett (187cm) performed medium tall roles, with Tom Papley (177cm) and Kieren Jack (177cm) nipping at their heels.
There was more balance in the Swans’ forward line — at least from a height perspective.
And while Richmond’s mental frailty has been blamed for the capitulation, Essendon legend Tim Watson suggested the nine-point loss was more a reflection of the Tigers’ structure.
“You need more than one marking target — you’re never going to get the job done with just one bloke like Jack Riewoldt and five smalls,” Watson said on SEN.
“Structurally and fundamentally they didn’t have the right make-up in that team.
“I really believe that they’ll go away from that game and say as good as our small forwards are, as quick as they are, as much pressure as they apply, when they get tired and we need to kick the ball long down the line and we’ve only go Jack Riewoldt there.
“The opposition know you’ve only got Jack Riewoldt there — that is not going to get the job done at the business end of the season.”
THE MISSING LINK
While Tyrone Vickery has hardly set the world on fire at Hawthorn, it’s clear Richmond is missing a player of his mould.
There are grave doubts for Griffiths’ playing future, after the 200cm forward was ruled out of football indefinitely after receiving a concussion in his return VFL match in April.
Ivan Soldo was also trialled down forward once Toby Nankervis returned from suspension in Round 9 against GWS, but only registered five disposals.
Meanwhile, Elton has only managed 10 games since being drafted at the end of 2011 and is out of contract at the end of this season.
At 198cm, Mabior Chol looms as the only realistic option to fill the void.
But Richmond coach Damien Hardwick flagged he was hesitant to blood the 20-year-old.
“We’ve probably got one inexperienced tall at the moment, Mabior Chol, who is on our rookie list,” Hardwick said on Fox Footy’s On The Couch.
“All of the other guys are unfortunately injured at this stage. It’s whether we throw the young fella in there and see if he can rise or we just got with the 22nd best player on our list at the moment and that’s probably the option we’ve chosen at this stage.
“It probably did cost us a bit on the weekend. We were looking to go down the line and we didn’t have that beacon up there.
“I think going forward longer term we certainly need to look at that position.”
TALL FORWARD TARGETS
Josh Schache may have been locked away at Brisbane until the end of 2019, but there are a number of options Richmond could look at to help boost its tall forward stocks.
Sydney’s Sam Reid will become a restricted free agent at the end of the year and at only 25 would fit the Tigers’ age profile.
Another Swan in Kurt Tippett has also been suggested as a potential trade target for Richmond, with Kane Cornes saying a deal could benefit both clubs.
Tippett is contracted until the end of 2018 and Sydney has stated he’s a required player, but if the 30-year-old finishes the season in the NEAFL a departure wouldn’t be beyond reach.
Meanwhile, it’s understood Levi Casboult will test the market at the end of the year, when the Carlton forward will become a restricted free agent.
Melbourne champion Garry Lyon told SEN Casboult could be a perfect fit at Richmond.
“I think (Richmond) might have to go searching because Ben Griffiths — I hope he comes back — but I’m concerned about the concussion stuff with him” Lyon said.
“If he doesn’t get himself up, they might have to go looking. There’s a little something that Levi Casboult could be in the frame.
“All good sides have two big keys.”
POTENTIAL TIGER TARGETS?
— Levi Casboult (Carlton)
— Sam Reid (Sydney)
— Kurt Tippett (Sydney)
— Devon Smith (GWS Giants)
— Mitch McGovern (Adelaide)
— Jack Gunston (Hawthorn)
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/talls-tigers-must-chase-to-increase-vertical-limit-the-players-richmond-could-use-to-complement-forward-line/news-story/0e955540e63a1cbb6e684001d81466fa
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-trade-free-agency-watch-part-2.1168137/page-13#post-50893986
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I would trade in Cotchin. Upgrade all the squibs.
Huh?
Aren't you the guy who wants to lift standards?
Cotchin deserves credit for all the hard work he has put into his game - as a player and a leader - in the off season.
If more followed his lead, we'd be unbeatable.
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Levi Casboult delays contract talks
Herald-Sun
22 June 2017
CARLTON spearhead Levi Casboult will delay making a decision on his future as he surges towards a career-best goal haul this season.
After signing a one-year deal on only modest money last season, Casboult’s value has increased this year after resuming his partnership with specialist goalkicking coach Saverio Rocca.
The unrestricted free agent has slotted 18 goals at 55 per cent accuracy, a sharp rise of almost 16 per cent on last year.
The Blues have indicated a strong desire to re-sign Casboult to thwart any poaching raids from rival clubs, including Richmond, but will have to wait until the end of the season.
Casboult’s manager Anthony McConville from Mac’s Sports said his client was relishing his football at Ikon Park this season, but was in no hurry to consider his future.
“He’s clearly having the best year of his career and enjoying playing an important role in a young playing group,” McConville told the Herald Sun.
“He’s really not concerned about his future at this point, because he wants his footy to speak for itself.
“Like every other year Levi has been out of contract, we will look to sort all of that out upon the completion of the season.”
While Casboult has said he is happy at Carlton, the move is certain to attract the attention of rival clubs, with Richmond in the market for another key forward.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said the lack of a second strong-bodied key forward prong hurt the Tigers in their narrow loss to Sydney Swans on Saturday.
“It probably did cost us a little bit on the weekend. I thought we were looking to go down the line and we didn’t have the beacon up there,” Hardwick said on Fox Footy.
“Longer term we certainly need to look at that position.”
The Tigers are in a strong position to find a co-pilot for Jack Riewoldt inside 50m in this year’s trade period with two first-round draft picks and salary cap room in their arsenal.
Back-up key forward Ben Griffiths remains sidelined with a concussion problem. It is unclear when he will return.
Casboult, 27, is one of the few remaining established key forwards out of contract this year along with restricted free agents Sam Reid (Sydney Swans) and Jackson Trengove (Port Adelaide).
The difference is that Casboult is an unrestricted free agent because he is not in the top-25 per cent paid players at Carlton.
It means the Blues would be unable to match any bid for the 201cm powerhouse if he decided to accept a higher offer from a rival club in October.
Casboult is widely considered one of the strongest contested marking forwards in the game despite being repeatedly outnumbered in the Carlton forward line this season.
The 84-gamer is on track to easily eclipse his career-best haul of 24 goals in a season (in 2015) with 10 regular season games remaining this season.
Casboult provided a key physical presence in attack in the upset win against Gold Coast on Saturday night, reeling in eight marks and 13 possessions.
His goal kicking radar was off, however, booting three behinds.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-forward-levi-casboult-delays-contract-talks-as-his-value-surges/news-story/33ad050df10e13ff455a84ba3ef8f3dd
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I'd have thought Trengove would be a better option by the length of the Flemington straight...
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I'm actually in favor of Levi.
Great hands, physical and coming into his prime.
Set shots still an issue I know, but we're not going to get a perfect CHF in free agency so we need to compromise.
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I wouldn't deny him as we are so desperate to fill that position, I just hope we exhaust other options first or getting him means spending bigger somewhere else. Saying he is putrid in front of goal is an understatement and we're not exactly that great in that area as it is.
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I'm actually in favor of Levi.
Great hands, physical and coming into his prime.
Set shots still an issue I know, but we're not going to get a perfect CHF in free agency so we need to compromise.
Smash packs, take a mark, hand off to one of the small forwards or drop the mark, the small forwards crumb and goal.
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http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/exclusive-richmond-offer-carlton-forward-levi-casboult-multi-million-dollar-deal-afl/1h776a1m86esk1loctqq7ngk13
According to Ricky Nixon so take with a grain of chicken salt....
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Probably realistic figures, would need to pay him more than his worth to get him to come over
Would anyone get in the ear of Liam Jones? Not saying I would but after being a dud for years he's suddenly the talk of the town and out of contract
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-24/another-head-knock-for-luckless-saint-paddy-mccartin
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Did we have a go at Petrie? Would have been a good option??
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Did we have a go at Petrie? Would have been a good option??
No and no
Only club that was interested was the one coached by his former teammate mate, think that sums it up
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Did we have a go at Petrie? Would have been a good option??
No and no
Only club that was interested was the one coached by his former teammate mate, think that sums it up
Fair enough, Casboult looked ok today, any chance?
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Do not want Casboult. His kicking style is still poo and offers nothing as a back-up Ruck.
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Did we have a go at Petrie? Would have been a good option??
No and no
Only club that was interested was the one coached by his former teammate mate, think that sums it up
Fair enough, Casboult looked ok today, any chance?
I'd take Casboult in a heartbeat. Better than any forward we have outside of Jack.
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I'd take Casboult in a heartbeat. Better than any forward we have outside of Jack.
Is take him as well
Imagine him either clunking them or bringing it to ground with our little blokes at the foot of the pack.
Makes sense
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^^ Agreed. I'd take Casboult over Reid. We're desperately lacking a 2nd tall forward - he strikes me as a great fit and would come for cheap.
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Casboult has kicked 20 goals this year . 20.10 to be exact.
His best was 24 goals in 2015 - so he's on track to beat that this year.
Compares well to Benny "my best is 14 goals in a season " Griffiths.
Benny has been around a couple years longer too .
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^^ Agreed. I'd take Casboult over Reid. We're desperately lacking a 2nd tall forward - he strikes me as a great fit and would come for cheap.
Yep. x 3
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Do not want Casboult. His kicking style is still pooe and offers nothing as a back-up Ruck.
So would you take Tippet or Reid over Levi?
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Close, May, Lever, Richards, Trengove, Himmelberg, O'Brien,Gunston..........................Reid...............................Casboult...
............................................Tippet.................
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:lol
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Do not want Casboult. His kicking style is still pooe and offers nothing as a back-up Ruck.
So would you take Tippet or Reid over Levi?
We need someone to also help out in the Ruck so no to Reid. Tippet is getting on so he is also problematic but I don't know who else at this stage. I reckon our need is a Ruck cum forward, not the other way around. Our forward game plan is based on the ball hitting the deck so the 'mozzies' can apply their trade and Nank needs back-up. If Tippet is cheap I reckon he's worth a 2 year contract. Couple him with Hammer/Chol/Soldo/Griff and we have enough options. Then go to the draft for a developing Ruck/CHF type.
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Reid can pinch hit well in the ruck, was a regular a few years back and thought he was able to hold his own.
I'd rather a 2nd tall that is a decent fwd that can give a chop out in the ruck - have had enough of lumbering rucks cum fwds to last me a lifetime
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Reid can pinch hit well in the ruck, was a regular a few years back and thought he was able to hold his own.
I'd rather a 2nd tall that is a decent fwd that can give a chop out in the ruck - have had enough of lumbering rucks cum fwds to last me a lifetime
Agree.
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Fair enough...though I'm on the other side considering all the lost picks on would-be CHF's a waste (Vickery/Griff etc).
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Reid is a capable swing man too. Swans often throw him back behind play when they need to slow a game down or get it back on their terms.
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So hopefully Soldo and Chol will come on? Blair/Hartley Picktron 2018 need to find someone.
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stuff wasting cap space & picks on any old recycled tall just because they're there...trade both our firsts for Kelly,(if we chuck enough at them they might even chuck in Himmelberg as well) get Richards for nothing, Tom Goodwin from Coburg and continue to develop Moore & Chol.... :shh
On that note: Can someone please ask "Bishop" on BF where he thinks Tom McCartin will go in the draft? AFAIK he wasn't selected for the champs so could be a steal later on.
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Ch 7 last night said Collingwood is keen on poaching Casboult from Carlton.
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What a coup. Mayne and Casboult, what a fearsome prospect.
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I would like us to see if Aliir Aliir is available. He reads the ball well so i would suggest CHF is perfect for him and can play the second ruck role. He would come to us at a good age and would not cost a fortune and i believe he can develop further.
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I would like us to see if Aliir Aliir is available. He reads the ball well so i would suggest CHF is perfect for him and can play the second ruck role. He would come to us at a good age and would not cost a fortune and i believe he can develop further.
Interesting. Haven't considered him in the fwd line but I believe he could be excellent. Would be a great get.
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I would like us to see if Aliir Aliir is available. He reads the ball well so i would suggest CHF is perfect for him and can play the second ruck role. He would come to us at a good age and would not cost a fortune and i believe he can develop further.
I wouldn't mind picking him up but I think we need someone more established in the short term.
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Apparently SEN on the weekend reckoned we are showing interest in Harry McKay of Carlton.
Profile: http://www.carltonfc.com.au/player-profile/harry-mckay
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Straight swap for Lennon
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Straight swap for Lennon
Get it done . :clapping
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McKay re-signed with Carlton a month ago and I highly doubt they'd trade out a kid with his potential in the midst of a rebuild, especially a 200cm kpf who can also play in the ruck.
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McKay re-signed with Carlton a month ago and I highly doubt they'd trade out a kid with his potential in the midst of a rebuild, especially a 200cm kpf who can also play in the ruck.
Bummer.... :(
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Don't worry fellas, he's too tall to be a good KPF anyway
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Don't worry fellas, he's too tall to be a good KPF anyway
:lol
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With May re-signing with the Suns, Vic clubs are now lining up to poach Lever from the Crows. Hutchy reckons the Dogs have offered Lever $4.5m over 4 years.
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With the cash left over from Martin who do we target ;D
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With the cash left over from Martin who do we target ;D
Its looking that way.
I would go for Kelly but I also get the feeling that deal is done and he is going to north or even blues.
Our track record of poaching stars doesn't feel me with great excitement
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Don't worry fellas, he's too tall to be a good KPF anyway
By the way it still is the norm very few blokes at 200cm have gone on to become top KPF'S but hey you keep kidding yourself it aint true.
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With the cash left over from Martin who do we target ;D
Its looking that way.
I would go for Kelly but I also get the feeling that deal is done and he is going to north or even blues.
Our track record of poaching stars doesn't feel me with great excitement
Why do you think Dusty is leaving?
It's was the same process last time, I'm not sure there will be any reason for Dusty or his manager to try something different this time.
Equally, providing we play and win a final (or 2) the odds of him resigning will shorten. If a club offers a Hail Mary deal and he takes it (who would do that?) then we get better compensation anyway
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With the cash left over from Martin who do we target ;D
Its looking that way.
I would go for Kelly but I also get the feeling that deal is done and he is going to north or even blues.
Our track record of poaching stars doesn't feel me with great excitement
Why do you think Dusty is leaving?
It's was the same process last time, I'm not sure there will be any reason for Dusty or his manager to try something different this time.
Equally, providing we play and win a final (or 2) the odds of him resigning will shorten. If a club offers a Hail Mary deal and he takes it (who would do that?) then we get better compensation anyway
Put yourself in Dustys situation - even if you are set on staying bc you love the place, why would you sign now when you are one of the favourites for the brownlow? Sure dont hold the club to ransom but if you can eek out an extra 5-700k over 5 years why wouldnt you?
Im sure he'll stay its just good business from his end, wy begrudge him what 99% of us would do in the same position?
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Glenn Johnstone @gjohnstone26
Any news on Jake Lever
Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
My mail is Richmond has made overtures
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan
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:pray
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:pray
Remember,
It's Tony Sheahan
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Tony Sheahan :lol
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:pray
Remember,
It's Tony Sheahan
Which is why prayer is needed....
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Should be targetting Hodge for an assistants role.....him & Stevie J would increase the football nouse of the playing group tenfold...
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Latest rumour doing the rounds is that Libba wants out of the kennel.... :shh
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If a club offers a Hail Mary deal and he takes it (who would do that?)
The scum, the filth and the cheats are 3 clubs that come to mind. They would do anything for Dusty.
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Latest rumour doing the rounds is that Libba wants out of the kennel.... :shh
Good player but no thanks.
Greater needs
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You reckon we're right for inside contested ball winners & clearances?
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What's Apeness from Fremantle's contract status? Hasn't been picked all year...always thought he was worth having a crack at....200cm big bodied fwd/ruck , will only be 23 next year....
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I would go hard at Libba.
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Would actually be the player we were hoping Prestia was going to be.... :shh
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Liam McBean is mentioned as one of the possible draftees from the SANFL to get a second chance at AFL.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-12/worth-a-look-sanfl-players-pushing-their-draft-case
Clubs continue to circle young Giant Jacob Hopper.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-12/numerous-clubs-circling-out-of-contract-giant-jacob-hopper
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Bring back the Beanie!!! :clapping
Hopper worth a serious look too (along with Kennedy)....though not sure GWS are all that keen on deaing with us again after Deledio.... :shh
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You reckon we're right for inside contested ball winners & clearances?
We have Miles in the twos getting 40 each week and he cannot get a game, so yes I think we have greater needs than inside mids. A tall forward might be nice. Even two...
Casboult and Reid- cost us nothing in draft picks or players.
Trade for Lever - what's he worth now do you reckon? (Picks wise)
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You reckon we're right for inside contested ball winners & clearances?
Trade for Lever - what's he worth now do you reckon? (Picks wise)
In their mind? Probably both our first rounders
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According to Mark Fine just now on SEN, we should go for ...
wait for it ....
Brisbane's Marco Paparone.
:huh3
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According to Mark Fine just now on SEN, we should go for ...
wait for it ....
Brisbane's Marco Paparone.
:huh3
:lol
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:lol :lol In a day that was pretty boring, that is some a grade comedy
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Would be looking at Close from Fitzbane before Pepperoni..... :shh
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Fyfe's off the market.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-17/fyfe-for-life-superstar-signs-monster-deal-with-dockers
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...no doubt Martin & Carr will be looking at that deal with great interest... :shh
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Robbo on SEN just said we're right into Levi Casboult.
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Yeah that'll fix our conversion problem....
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...no doubt Martin & Carr will be looking at that deal with great interest... :shh
Because Fyfe showed loyalty ?
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Yes I'm sure that's what Carr will note first & foremost...
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Robbo on SEN just said we're right into Levi Casboult.
I wouldn't believe anything this slob says but Big Bad Levi Casboult is exactly what we need.
If we dump Griffiths and Hampson, their salary along would pay for him and he plays both their rolls better than they do.
Jack would kick 30 extra goals a year with him in our side.
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Yes I'm sure that's what Carr will note first & foremost...
:lol
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Yeah that'll fix our conversion problem....
Let's listen to what Robbo says, it's gospel :thumbsup
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Was commenting on the idea, not whether or not what Slobbo said was fact...
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Lever still not signed and whisper is hes heading back to vic, should be our number 1 target.
add
Lever
Reid
Richards to this team and we'll be set to have a serious crack over the next 2-4 years
Be bold tigs
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Lever for a first rounder and send Edwards home as the sweetener
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Deal
but reckon they'll want more - edwards is worth stuff all
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Deal
but reckon they'll want more - edwards is worth stuff all
But if we get rid of too many duds it might effect the #insaneconnection
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Lever should be our priority. Him & Richards would do me. Not sold on going after any of FA KPF's this year...reckon we could trade for Close from Brisbane or Apeness from Freo without having to give up too much, Lever & Richards would allow us to send Astbury forward (and Richards can play both ends as well)....I know we need a KPF who can ruck but it looks like we'll still have Griffiths for better or worse now though I'd rather back in Moore to step up.....we also have Chol (who could be anything or nothing) & Garthwaite....in the draft I reckon McCartin's brother could possibly be a McKenzie-like steal but minus the mental issues, someone like Goodwin from the VFL would be an upgrade on Hamspud & Soldo at this stage.... don't forget also that Lynch from GC is a free agent next year too..... :shh
Still reckon we need to shake the GWS tree for another quality young mid..... Whitfield(unlikely) Hopper or Kennedy, which would be easier if they re-sign Kelly...(we keep getting linked to Devon Smith who's a gun but hardly a need)....just hope they've forgiven us over Deledio.... :shh
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Worth a look at some of the talls on the fringes at GWS:
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/player-profile/jeremy-finlayson
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/player-profile/harrison-himmelberg
:shh
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Lever should be our priority. Him & Richards would do me. Not sold on going after any of FA KPF's this year...reckon we could trade for Close from Brisbane or Apeness from Freo without having to give up too much, Lever & Richards would allow us to send Astbury forward (and Richards can play both ends as well)....I know we need a KPF who can ruck but it looks like we'll still have Griffiths for better or worse now though I'd rather back in Moore to step up.....we also have Chol (who could be anything or nothing) & Garthwaite....in the draft I reckon McCartin's brother could possibly be a McKenzie-like steal but minus the mental issues, someone like Goodwin from the VFL would be an upgrade on Hamspud & Soldo at this stage.... don't forget also that Lynch from GC is a free agent next year too..... :shh
Still reckon we need to shake the GWS tree for another quality young mid..... Whitfield(unlikely) Hopper or Kennedy, which would be easier if they re-sign Kelly...(we keep getting linked to Devon Smith who's a gun but hardly a need)....just hope they've forgiven us over Deledio.... :shh
Why wouldn't you want a player that is clearly in a sides best 10 players, and not have to give up anything for in Casboult? Everyone else we would need to trade for. FA is a free hit and Casboult would walk into our side where as most of the fringe players being mentioned may not even be better than what we have already got.
Casboult isn't a great kick but this year has shown he can improve that. And his marking is as good as anyone else in the AFL. For me it's a no brainer.
Get rid of Griffiths, Batchelor and Maric and his wage is covered and we haven't lost anything that had even been used this year.
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Don't worry the team that brought us the Yarran trade and the Prestia trade will outdo themselves again this year.
Their motto this season 'eventually we will get lucky'
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Don't worry the team that brought us the Yarran trade and the Prestia trade will outdo themselves again this year.
Their motto this season 'eventually we will get lucky'
Rubbish. The motto is "the sun will even shine on a black dog's arse once in a while"
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Why wouldn't you want a player that is clearly in a sides best 10 players, and not have to give up anything for in Casboult? Everyone else we would need to trade for. FA is a free hit and Casboult would walk into our side where as most of the fringe players being mentioned may not even be better than what we have already got.
Casboult isn't a great kick but this year has shown he can improve that. And his marking is as good as anyone else in the AFL. For me it's a no brainer.
Get rid of Griffiths, Batchelor and Maric and his wage is covered and we haven't lost anything that had even been used this year.
I agree with this line of thinking. Whether it is Casboult or a similar player, first and foremost we need instant impact from whoever we recruit as a second KPF. While I think we should be looking at younger guys in other teams, we need someone who can come in and play now. That doesn't mean we don't look to recruit a promising KPF if one is available.
But due to the age of our key players (Dusty excluded) we don't really have that luxury to recruit a kid who will return a dividend in say 2-3 years time. We are over reliant on the ability of 3 of our top 4 players (Rance, Cotchin and Riewoldt) and they are in their absolute prime age. In two years time, they will be 29, 29 and 30 years old respectively.
We have to roll the dice, but I think the big concern is that we have done this type of recruiting before and it hasn't gone well. Kent Kingsley and Paul Hudson anyone? We have clearly made the mistake previously of over-rating our list. But what is worse, over-rating your list or under-rating your list when you are a real chance to finish top 4?
The issue with Casboult is that as a free agent he will likely cost a bit of a premium. I think we will pay more than he is worth, and not sure how that will sit with the need to sign Dusty and our salary cap. The other issue is that there isn't much out there.
FWIW, I think Casboult is our best bet.
Sorry, forgot to add that Close from Brisbane being mentioned on other threads on here looks a likely type as well.
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Couple of small bits out of today's West Australian.
1. Harley Balic is looking to be traded back to Victoria. Apparently the Dockers have told him he is free to look for a new club.
2. Eric MacKenzie and Jonathan Giles are likely to be looking for new homes next season as well.
Can't see us being interested in Balic unless we think he can play midfield. Wonder if we might look at MacKenzie as a possible means of freeing up Astbury to go forward. Personally would rather see Astbury stay back, but ......
Would we look at Giles for a little ready made ruck depth?
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Nightmare scenario #1:
Out: Martin
In: Motlop & Tippett
...don't laugh, there's every chance.... :shh
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Nightmare scenario #1:
Out: Martin
In: Motlop & Tippett
...don't laugh, there's every chance.... :shh
No chance. If Dusty leaves we will match the offer and force a trade. What or who do North have that could facilitate a trade should he leave for that rabble? Still believe he stays ;)
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Nightmare scenario #1:
Out: Martin
In: Motlop & Tippett
...don't laugh, there's every chance.... :shh
No chance. If Dusty leaves we will match the offer and force a trade. What or who do North have that could facilitate a trade should he leave for that rabble? Still believe he stays ;)
What do they have? Pick 3 or 4 for starters. Plus Ben Brown. And then pick 21 or 22.
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Nightmare scenario #1:
Out: Martin
In: Motlop & Tippett
...don't laugh, there's every chance.... :shh
No chance. If Dusty leaves we will match the offer and force a trade. What or who do North have that could facilitate a trade should he leave for that rabble? Still believe he stays ;)
What do they have? Pick 3 or 4 for starters. Plus Ben Brown. And then pick 21 or 22.
Yep and we on trade 2 first round for Josh Kelly, use the 2nd rounder for naish. Take ben brown and indetify other list needs
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Nightmare scenario #1:
Out: Martin
In: Motlop & Tippett
...don't laugh, there's every chance.... :shh
No chance. If Dusty leaves we will match the offer and force a trade. What or who do North have that could facilitate a trade should he leave for that rabble? Still believe he stays ;)
What do they have? Pick 3 or 4 for starters. Plus Ben Brown. And then pick 21 or 22.
Would need to be a lot better than that for the best player in the land.
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Nightmare scenario #1:
Out: Martin
In: Motlop & Tippett
...don't laugh, there's every chance.... :shh
No chance. If Dusty leaves we will match the offer and force a trade. What or who do North have that could facilitate a trade should he leave for that rabble? Still believe he stays ;)
What do they have? Pick 3 or 4 for starters. Plus Ben Brown. And then pick 21 or 22.
Yep and we on trade 2 first round for Josh Kelly, use the 2nd rounder for naish. Take ben brown and indetify other list needs
Yesssss big mannnnnnn :clapping
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Greg Denham on SEN this morning:
Sam Reid – "Collingwood and Richmond interested and would be mad not to be."
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/03/greg-denhams-trade-whispers-update/
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Greg Denham on SEN this morning:
Sam Reid – "Collingwood and Richmond interested and would be mad not to be."
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/03/greg-denhams-trade-whispers-update/
Didn't Sydney just re-sign Reid & Zak Jones a couple of days ago?
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Greg Denham on SEN this morning:
Sam Reid – "Collingwood and Richmond interested and would be mad not to be."
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/03/greg-denhams-trade-whispers-update/
Didn't Sydney just re-sign Reid & Zak Jones a couple of days ago?
Not Reid.
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I think BJ Hartley has his eyes fixed on 30 year old Tippett probably trade our first pick on him.
He also loves to gift the Scum Cheats some prime picks for free and let's not forget the card up his sleeve in Port Adelaide. :rollin
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Spencer from Melbbourne? Honest backup for nank, bit more mobile than Hamspud and soldo
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No thanks. Hampson is better IMO.
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No he isn't.
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No he isn't.
K.
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Debatable which is the bigger turd. I'd rather stick with the one we have/know.
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I'd rather have neither and draft Goodwin from Coburg with a late pick... :shh
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Spencer from Melbbourne? Honest backup for nank, bit more mobile than Hamspud and soldo
Rather Stengle play ruck :snidegrin
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I reckon we should go and put an offer to Ben Brown, just to give North the sh**s.
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David Barrot @Barrot01:
Any word on Casboult to tigers Chicken as you are on top of your game as per usual
Ricky Nixon @rickynixontoot Aug 4
Big offer on table
Ricky Nixon @rickynixontoot Aug 4
Been saying that since Balmy went there he's there best recruit.
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot
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Another Blair Hartley special
3,years @ 500k for a dud like levi should get the job done
I expect nothing less from the BH led team
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:clapping
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Another Blair Hartley special
3,years @ 500k for a dud like levi should get the job done
I expect nothing less from the BH led team
Like Levi, hands like a steel trap, speed of our giraffe with arthritic hips, kicks like a mule with the accuracy of a Belgium suicide bomber.
What's happened to Bojo?
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:lol
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Another Blair Hartley special
3,years @ 500k for a dud like levi should get the job done
I expect nothing less from the BH led team
Would take that in a heartbeat.
Retire both Griff and Maric and his wage is well and truely covered.
The difference is he would actually play and earn his money.
Surely you can see the logic?
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you dont think its a sideways move. Replacing 2 duds for 1 dud.
no, i cant see the logic in a levi, even as bad as we are in that department.
if given a choice i would take sam reid over Levi. At least he can play back.
my opinion anyway.
fwiw i think the debate matters little as this is good as done, according to a cartlon mate has told me who is really close with one of the players.
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you dont think its a sideways move. Replacing 2 duds for 1 dud.
no, i cant see the logic in a levi, even as bad as we are in that department.
if given a choice i would take sam reid over Levi. At least he can play back.
my opinion anyway.
fwiw i think the debate matters little as this is good as done, according to a cartlon mate has told me who is really close with one of the players.
I see your point but I reckon levi has more runs on the board than both of our sduds.
Id also prefer reid, but wouldnt mind if we got levi
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After watching Casboob yesterday, I don't want him anywhere near our side let alone shelling out north of 500k for the bloke.....some of his pathetic efforts in the last quarter were truly Hamspud-like and virtually handed Essendon the match.....
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you dont think its a sideways move. Replacing 2 duds for 1 dud.
no, i cant see the logic in a levi, even as bad as we are in that department.
if given a choice i would take sam reid over Levi. At least he can play back.
my opinion anyway.
fwiw i think the debate matters little as this is good as done, according to a cartlon mate has told me who is really close with one of the players.
What if the only one we can get is casboult ? Take him or back griff and Elton
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This mindset we have is absolutely ridiculous. We should be up by 10 goals yet here we are 26 points.
This has to change
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Wrong thread, whoops
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you dont think its a sideways move. Replacing 2 duds for 1 dud.
no, i cant see the logic in a levi, even as bad as we are in that department.
if given a choice i would take sam reid over Levi. At least he can play back.
my opinion anyway.
fwiw i think the debate matters little as this is good as done, according to a cartlon mate has told me who is really close with one of the players.
What if the only one we can get is casboult ? Take him or back griff and Elton
Take Casboult. Will be 28 by the start of next year. Give him CHF/2nd ruck til the next kid puts his hand up
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you dont think its a sideways move. Replacing 2 duds for 1 dud.
no, i cant see the logic in a levi, even as bad as we are in that department.
if given a choice i would take sam reid over Levi. At least he can play back.
my opinion anyway.
fwiw i think the debate matters little as this is good as done, according to a cartlon mate has told me who is really close with one of the players.
What if the only one we can get is casboult ? Take him or back griff and Elton
Take Casboult. Will be 28 by the start of next year. Give him CHF/2nd ruck til the next kid puts his hand up
Straight swap for Hampson
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you dont think its a sideways move. Replacing 2 duds for 1 dud.
no, i cant see the logic in a levi, even as bad as we are in that department.
if given a choice i would take sam reid over Levi. At least he can play back.
my opinion anyway.
fwiw i think the debate matters little as this is good as done, according to a cartlon mate has told me who is really close with one of the players.
What if the only one we can get is casboult ? Take him or back griff and Elton
Take Casboult. Will be 28 by the start of next year. Give him CHF/2nd ruck til the next kid puts his hand up
:clapping
:cheers
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you dont think its a sideways move. Replacing 2 duds for 1 dud.
no, i cant see the logic in a levi, even as bad as we are in that department.
if given a choice i would take sam reid over Levi. At least he can play back.
my opinion anyway.
fwiw i think the debate matters little as this is good as done, according to a cartlon mate has told me who is really close with one of the players.
What if the only one we can get is casboult ? Take him or back griff and Elton
Take Casboult. Will be 28 by the start of next year. Give him CHF/2nd ruck til the next kid puts his hand up
Look out I actually agree. I think he will be the one we get tbh.
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After watching Casboob yesterday, I don't want him anywhere near our side let alone shelling out north of 500k for the bloke.....some of his pathetic efforts in the last quarter were truly Hamspud-like and virtually handed Essendon the match.....
I'd take his 30 odd goals this season as a backup ruckman.
Especially considering we average about 12 goals a game.
He wouldn't cost a pick and we would have change from Maric/Hampson and Griff for his wage.
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Would love to find 2 upgrades for Houli and Grigg.
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you dont think its a sideways move. Replacing 2 duds for 1 dud.
no, i cant see the logic in a levi, even as bad as we are in that department.
if given a choice i would take sam reid over Levi. At least he can play back.
my opinion anyway.
fwiw i think the debate matters little as this is good as done, according to a cartlon mate has told me who is really close with one of the players.
What if the only one we can get is casboult ? Take him or back griff and Elton
Welcome aboard Levi.
stuff i may lay the red carpet myself for the lad if thats the case.
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you dont think its a sideways move. Replacing 2 duds for 1 dud.
no, i cant see the logic in a levi, even as bad as we are in that department.
if given a choice i would take sam reid over Levi. At least he can play back.
my opinion anyway.
fwiw i think the debate matters little as this is good as done, according to a cartlon mate has told me who is really close with one of the players.
What if the only one we can get is casboult ? Take him or back griff and Elton
Welcome aboard Levi.
stuff i may lay the red carpet myself for the lad if thats the case.
:lol
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Not interested in Casboult got to aim better then that and wrong age bracket turning 28 next year. Rather a kid to be honest.
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Not interested in Casboult got to aim better then that and wrong age bracket turning 28 next year. Rather a kid to be honest.
We need to be taking a KPP in the first round at least. But we need to get 2 to 3 years of development into that kid. That is where Casboult would come in. Gives us immediate coverage while we develop some kids. So doesn't really matter about the age profile IMO
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Not interested in Casboult got to aim better then that and wrong age bracket turning 28 next year. Rather a kid to be honest.
We need to be taking a KPP in the first round at least. But we need to get 2 to 3 years of development into that kid. That is where Casboult would come in. Gives us immediate coverage while we develop some kids. So doesn't really matter about the age profile IMO
^^^^ agree
^^^ this
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Yep let's fix our poor conversion by bringing in a bloke who makes Castagna look reliable.....canny recruiting..... :clapping
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Greg Denham on SEN this morning:
Sam Reid – "Collingwood and Richmond interested and would be mad not to be."
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/03/greg-denhams-trade-whispers-update/
Didn't Sydney just re-sign Reid & Zak Jones a couple of days ago?
Not Reid.
He has now...so it looks like Casboob or Tipload....
Speaking of Casboob, according to Jonathan Brown (who basically said we shouldn't bother), he averages a whopping 9 disposals, 1 goal, 1 tackle, 5 hit outs & 2 contested marks per game (he conceded that last stat was not bad) .....but yeah nah that sounds like the answer to our second KPF problem and a steal at 650k he's rumoured to be asking for..... :gotigers
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I'd make a pitch for Mitch McGovern....
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McGovern & Lever :shh
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Yep let's fix our poor conversion by bringing in a bloke who makes Castagna look reliable.....canny recruiting..... :clapping
29.18 for the season. Better accuracy than most of our team, including Jack
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Yeah that's great - got the stat on the shots that didn't score at all?
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...or we might just be keeping our powder dry until next year....
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:shh
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Greg Denham on SEN this morning:
Sam Reid – "Collingwood and Richmond interested and would be mad not to be."
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/03/greg-denhams-trade-whispers-update/
Didn't Sydney just re-sign Reid & Zak Jones a couple of days ago?
Not Reid.
He has now...so it looks like Casboob or Tipload....
Speaking of Casboob, according to Jonathan Brown (who basically said we shouldn't bother), he averages a whopping 9 disposals, 1 goal, 1 tackle, 5 hit outs & 2 contested marks per game (he conceded that last stat was not bad) .....but yeah nah that sounds like the answer to our second KPF problem and a steal at 650k he's rumoured to be asking for..... :gotigers
Since when does 29 goals in 19 games equate to 1 goal a game?
29 goals for a forward/second ruckman is a pretty decent season.
What other forward/second ruckman has kicked more goals this year?
Especially ones that play in the second worst team in the comp who's main focus is defence.
Does anyone think that if we had Casboult in our side this year we wouldn't have won more games? His 1.5 goals a game say we win another 3 or 4 games purely just on stats.
He would be free in terms of draft picks and we could still use our 2 first round draft picks for other needs or young KPP's. Or even Jake Lever :shh
And 500 to 600k a year isn't too bad when you consider we pay Grigg about 400.
He is no Wayne Carey but he is big and strong, has the best hands in the game and would make a difference.
Our stars are aging and we need good solid player around now to support them.
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He offers stuff all in the ruck, is lazy -which sounds like a certain bloke you don't rate and another we just got rid of- and misses crucial shots at crucial times, so it's highly debatable whether or not he would've gotten us over the line in those matches...either way, if the rumours are true, it'll take around 650k to pry him loose from Carlton and he's just not worth that IMO....keeping draft picks is great and all but cap space is also fairly important.....hate to miss out on a chance at geniune guns like Lever & McGovern this year or Brown, Lynch or even Stringer next year because we paid overs for another mediocre stop-gap solution....
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Reid has signed on with the swans for another 4 years.
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Casboult is necessary for mine. As long as we're not paying well overs.
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Casboult is necessary for mine. As long as we're not paying well overs.
Well apparentky SEN just said its a done deal so you & large anthony may just have your way and then we all get to see our opinions & theories be practically tested next year......just hope, if true, we're not paying the ludicrous amount he's supposedly asking for ..but then, I would also hope people at the club watched his absolutely disgraceful last quarter against Essendon and at least took notes... :help
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If we get Casboult he will significantly improve us as a team.
30 goals this year. Straight kick. Top 12 contested marks and inside 50 marks this year.
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Not interested in Casboult got to aim better then that and wrong age bracket turning 28 next year. Rather a kid to be honest.
would have thought a mature kpf and a junior kpf is the go. Why do people think there is need for just one.
Wouldnt getting Casboult allow us to develop a kid, makees more sense than just drafting a kid and then hoping he can play straight away.
If we are a gebuine side getting just a kid wont fix the problems we have for next yr.Even if we are playing way above ourselves and are actually a poor team there is still a need for mature kpf rather then just pushing a kid in the deep end and hoping he swims.
Keep saying it in all areas of the list you need adequate numbers, enough quality and you need a cross section of all categories that is juniors, development, mature and vets.
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Casboult
Straight kick.
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Well with Maric going, Elton likely to go, Hampson in a wheelchair, Griff with issues and the young developing forward in the VFL, this might be a good pathway to ensure we have another CHF ready to play until overtaken. Playing further up the ground might be better for him as Jack can play deep with smalls around him. I'm ok with it.
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Well that's next year's whipping boy sorted.... :clapping
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Im not against getting levi at the right price, think he'll be handy overall but what happens if Griff stays on (which looks likely). Are we going to play both of them along with jack in the fwd line?
Also, would hate this to impact our ability to be able to offer the right $$$ to a Ben Brown or Lynch this time next year.
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Think we should be going hard at Hopper - even if Graham turns out to be as good as we're expecting or hoping, we're still at least one quality inside mid short IMO.
Best possible trade week result for me would see us net Hopper (preferably) or Kennedy, Lever, Apeness/Close, Harley Balic and/or Harrison Wigg.
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Speaking of Casboob, according to Jonathan Brown (who basically said we shouldn't bother), he averages a whopping 9 disposals, 1 goal, 1 tackle, 5 hit outs & 2 contested marks per game (he conceded that last stat was not bad) .....but yeah nah that sounds like the answer to our second KPF problem and a steal at 650k he's rumoured to be asking for..... :gotigers
To be fair, that's in a god awful team
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Chicken or egg? :shh
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Casboult
Straight kick.
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Perceptions are an interesting way of looking at things. How about some stats? from the footy live app....
Casboult - 29.18. = 61.7% Accuracy
Reiwoldt - 42.27. = 60.7% Accuracy.
Oh snap
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Chicken or egg? :shh
Fair question but I don't think you can blame one player for a whole team being awful :shh
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What are their career stats? Are out of bounds counted?
Oh crap.
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Chicken or egg? :shh
Fair question but I don't think you can blame one player for a whole team being awful :shh
Well no obviously he wouldn't be the entire reason....
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Casboult
Straight kick.
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Perceptions are an interesting way of looking at things. How about some stats? from the footy live app....
Casboult - 29.18. = 61.7% Accuracy
Reiwoldt - 42.27. = 60.7% Accuracy.
Oh snap
Talking about perceptions 4.4 is a great return on face value, but if you take out the silver platter ones, 1.4 is actually poohouse
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What are their career stats? Are out of bounds counted?
Oh crap.
Just 2017. Oh Baps.
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He is not worth $400,000-$600,000 at ALL!
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650k is apparently what he's asking.... :gotigers
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650k is apparently what he's asking.... :gotigers
At that price you could almost get Lever.... :shh
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Shouldn't we avoid dealing with the Scum Cheats on any level unless we can screw them over?
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Shouldn't we avoid dealing with the Scum Cheats on any level unless we can screw them over?
We wouldn't need to deal with them
He's a restricted free agent
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Reminds me of when the Maggots drafted Leigh Brown.....Serves a purpose...
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Reminds me of when we drafted Kent Kingsley.....
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So it's a no to Casboult from Dio..... we get it mate....
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...says the bloke who bunnies about Rioli in every other post....
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Here's the SEN article on what Waldron said yesterday morning:
Free agent forward on the move: Waldron
By SEN
8 August 2017
Carlton's free agent key forward Levi Casboult will join Richmond at at season's end according to the Brian Waldron.
The 27-year-old, who has kicked 100 goals in 91 career matches, is an unrestricted free agent and has attracted the interest of a number of clubs.
Waldron told SEN’s Hungry For Sport that the much-maligned 201cm forward will be swapping navy blue for yellow and black.
“Casboult’s done – he’s off to Richmond,” he said.
“He’s an unrestricted free agent, he’s done, he’s agreed, he’s gone.”
Recruited from the Dandenong Stingrays with pick 44 in the 2010 rookie draft, Casboult has long been considered one of the best contested marks in the competition, but has struggled with his conversion registering an accuracy rate of just 56 per cent.
Richmond has been on the lookout for a key forward partner for Jack Riewoldt following the departure of Ty Vickery to Hawthorn at the end of last season.
Sydney’s Sam Reid was another Tiger target, but he re-signed yesterday with the Swans for a further four years.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/08/free-agent-forward-on-the-move-waldron/
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Shouldn't we avoid dealing with the Scum Cheats on any level unless we can screw them over?
We wouldn't need to deal with them
He's a restricted free agent
Do you mean unrestricted?
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At least with unrestricted we don't have to pay well and truly overs to get him and we keep our trade currency to go for another need.
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Shouldn't we avoid dealing with the Scum Cheats on any level unless we can screw them over?
We wouldn't need to deal with them
He's a restricted free agent
Do you mean unrestricted?
I thought he was a restricted FA
But whatever
he is free Agent so we don't have to deal with Carlton. We table him a FA offer, he accepts. Unrestricted means we get him, unrestricted means they can match, if they do tigers can walk away ;D
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unrestricted means the Bolt can accept any offer. The current club has no right to match.
He can sign on the 1st of November and almost certainly will.
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We may as well have kept Vickery if we get Casboult.....
Can't see much difference between them other than Casboult is a better contested mark
He is very slow.
I would much rather just go to the draft this year.
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We may as well have kept Vickery if we get Casboult.....
Can't see much difference between them other than Casboult is a better contested mark
He is very slow.
I would much rather just go to the draft this year.
1 - Casboult is a significantly better player than Vickery
2 - He will cost us nothing in terms of players/picks as is a FA
3 - We received a compensation pick in the draft for losing Ty
So it's a strange statement TBH
You say if we get Levi we should have kept Ty.
The pick we got for letting Ty go was used to draft Shai Bolton.
Casboult and Bolton ill take EVERY day over Ty thanks
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We may as well have kept Vickery if we get Casboult.....
Can't see much difference between them other than Casboult is a better contested mark
He is very slow.
I would much rather just go to the draft this year.
1 - Casboult is a significantly better player than Vickery
2 - He will cost us nothing in terms of players/picks as is a FA
3 - We received a compensation pick in the draft for losing Ty
So it's a strange statement TBH
You say if we get Levi we should have kept Ty.
The pick we got for letting Ty go was used to draft Shai Bolton.
Casboult and Bolton ill take EVERY day over Ty thanks
Definately agree to disagree, If he was any good Carlton would be keeping him.
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We may as well have kept Vickery if we get Casboult.....
Can't see much difference between them other than Casboult is a better contested mark
He is very slow.
I would much rather just go to the draft this year.
1 - Casboult is a significantly better player than Vickery
2 - He will cost us nothing in terms of players/picks as is a FA
3 - We received a compensation pick in the draft for losing Ty
So it's a strange statement TBH
You say if we get Levi we should have kept Ty.
The pick we got for letting Ty go was used to draft Shai Bolton.
Casboult and Bolton ill take EVERY day over Ty thanks
Definately agree to disagree, If he was any good Carlton would be keeping him.
Carlton don't have a choice. Who would want to play for that rabble when he can choose who he wants to play for.
Casboult and Vickery totally different players. Casboult 2 contested marks a game, Vickery would be lucky to take 2 a month.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-09/sell-buy-resign-retire-what-your-club-is-planning-this-trade-period
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No prizes for guessing the Tigers' priority: re-signing Dustin Martin. North Melbourne has led the opposition raids on the Brownlow Medal favourite, trying to blow Richmond out of the water with a six-year offer worth up to $1.3 million a season. The Tigers have increased their initial offer of about $850,000 a season to about $1.1 million a year and are confident of retaining the midfield superstar. Richmond's efforts appear to have satisfied Martin amid widespread speculation he will re-sign soon. GWS midfielder Jacob Hopper is on the Tigers' radar, but if the Victorian decides to come home they will face stiff competition from Geelong, Carlton and Essendon, while Adelaide and the Brisbane Lions are also circling the 20-year-old. Richmond is also trying to find some aerial support for Jack Riewoldt in attack, with Carlton free agent Levi Casboult increasingly looming as its main target.
:pray
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Keep Martin, bring in Hoppper and Casboult, keep both FRP's would be a 9.5/10 trade period for mine.
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Hopper will likely cost a first round pick...(we might as well have just swapped Deledio for him last year...)
..and Lever will cost at least the other..... :shh
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Keep Martin, bring in Hoppper and Casboult, keep both FRP's would be a 9.5/10 trade period for mine.
Why not 10? What would make it a 10?
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Keep Martin, bring in Hoppper and Casboult, keep both FRP's would be a 9.5/10 trade period for mine.
Why not 10? What would make it a 10?
Kelly :shh
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Keep Martin, bring in Hoppper and Casboult, keep both FRP's would be a 9.5/10 trade period for mine.
Why not 10? What would make it a 10?
Not signing Casboob I presume....
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Keep Martin, bring in Hoppper and Casboult, keep both FRP's would be a 9.5/10 trade period for mine.
Why not 10? What would make it a 10?
10 leaves no room for improvement....
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:lol
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Definately agree to disagree, If he was any good Carlton would be keeping him.
Carlton want to keep him have offered him a new deal, he hasnt signed
Sounds like a similar scenario that the RFC is currently dealing with
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Levi Casboult rumours, free agent: Is he going to Richmond from Carlton?
JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
10 August 2017
LEVI Casboult has not yet agreed to a move to Richmond but is open to relocating to a club that will offer him a long-term deal.
The Blues spearhead has taken the most contested marks in footy this year and kicked an equal team-high 29 goals for Carlton.
But while he grew up a Blues fan his status as an unrestricted free agent reflects his modest wage at Carlton — he is not in the top 10 paid players.
Despite reports he had agreed in principle with the Tigers his manager Anthony McConville told the Herald Sun on Wednesday he was still considering his options.
He is intent on waiting until season’s end and is keen to maximise the terms of his most lucrative contract of his career after turning 27 last March.
Of the 36 players in the competition who have had at least 100 hit-outs (he has 137), his 29 goals are 12 more than any other player.
Port Adelaide free agent Jackson Trengove has 17 goals, Rory Lobbe 16 and Ben McEvoy 16, with his dual position status a key selling point for rivals.
It is understood Casboult would want a deal of at least three years and on finances that reflect his position as one of the few key forwards on the open market.
He has multiple suitors that include Richmond, where his marking and contested work in the forward line would help their fleet of quick crumbers.
McConville said yesterday Casboult had made no decision on his future.
“At the end of the day it’s going to be Levi’s decision as to whether he remains at Carlton,’’ he told the Herald Sun.
“My job is to facilitate what is available for him. I can assure you at this point in time there is no deal from any club that has been brokered or agreed to.
“It will remain that way until the last game and then we will see at year’s end what is available at Carlton. We will keep all our options open until the end of the year.”
If Carlton finished last and Casboult left they could receive pick 18 as free agency compensation for him given GWS does not have a first-round pick
It would not only give them some salary cap relief but another high pick to attempt to lure GWS midfielders Josh Kelly or Jacob Hopper.
Carlton could win their fifth wooden spoon in 15 this year given they are unlikely to win again — they face West Coast (away), Hawthorn and Sydney (SCG).
Brisbane has one less win but faces an injury-raved Gold Coast without Tom Lynch, Jarrod Witts and likely Gary Ablett, then Melbourne and North Melbourne (Gabba).
Fellow Sydney free agent Sam Reid, who has never kicked more than 31 goals a year, just won another lucrative four-year contract.
Casboult has kicked more goals, taken more marks and won more hit-outs than Reid in the past three seasons but would be paid far less than the Swans swingman.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-spearhead-levi-casboult-is-considering-his-options-as-an-unrestricted-free-agent/news-story/57308ac66991fa55a6d42198581251b7
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Anyone know why those cheats would get pick 18 for a dud like Levi?
stuff this system is a joke. Wasn't buddy like pick 17 compo
I'd give the hack 2 years and if not stay where you are
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Anyone know why those cheats would get pick 18 for a dud like Levi?
stuff this system is a joke. Wasn't buddy like pick 17 compo
I'd give the hack 2 years and if not stay where you are
We could end up with pick 18ish if we lost Martin and they could get a pick just after for Casboult.
Not a broken system at all.....
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Why would we deal with those mafioso mofo's again after the last fiasco? I think they were discussing this deal at the lobster cave with Mathew Guy and Madaferi
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Why would we deal with those mafioso mofo's again after the last fiasco?
We wouldn't. Its the F.A compo system.
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Anyone know why those cheats would get pick 18 for a dud like Levi?
stuff this system is a joke. Wasn't buddy like pick 17 compo
I'd give the hack 2 years and if not stay where you are
We could end up with pick 18ish if we lost Martin and they could get a pick just after for Casboult.
Not a broken system at all.....
exactly, its pathetic
stuffin cheats always come out with some descent as a result of us.
pick 17 for yarran
pick 18 for casboult.
docherty for hampson
fmd hope they enjoy the draft with another spoon
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Port Adelaide free agent Jackson Trengove has 17 goals, Rory Lobbe 16 and Ben McEvoy 16, with his dual position status a key selling point for rivals.
Should be into Trengove.....would give us coverage right down the spine...no star but arguably the best of a very ordinary bunch...
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Anyone know why those cheats would get pick 18 for a dud like Levi?
stuff this system is a joke. Wasn't buddy like pick 17 compo
I'd give the hack 2 years and if not stay where you are
We could end up with pick 18ish if we lost Martin and they could get a pick just after for Casboult.
Not a broken system at all.....
exactly, its pathetic
stuffin cheats always come out with some descent as a result of us.
pick 17 for yarran
pick 18 for casboult.
docherty for hampson
fmd hope they enjoy the draft with another spoon
Tell me how they end up with end of first round pick the same hawks got for Buddy :banghead laughable and the afl nothing short of a joke compensation so sweet for clubs who breake the rules tanking like blues and demons and the dons ending up with the first pick after scandal.
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We got great compo for Vickery
Casboult is a better player than Ty.
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Should Richmond target Levi Casboult? The case For and Against
SportingNews
10 August 2017
The rumours linking Carlton key forward Levi Casboult to Richmond are strong as the Tigers seek a player to take some of the heat off Jack Riewoldt, but is he the right man for the job?
Too old, too expensive, just not good enough?
And what about the kicking for goal?
Sporting News looks at the pros and cons of luring the big Blue to Punt Road.
Slide on to see if Levi is worth the risk …
Riewoldt needs a hand and Ben Griffiths isn’t the answer. Griffiths has shown he’s got the ability, can take a great mark and kick the ball a mile, but his attack on the ball has never been in relation to his physical size. Also his penchant for concussions makes his future a risk.
Casboult is prepared to throw his body around, smash packs and bring the ball to the ground if he isn’t marking it.
However, chances are he will take a clean grab. Levi leads the league for contested marks in 2017, an all the more impressive stat considering Carlton has the second-fewest inside 50s.
He’s a free agent so the Tigers wouldn’t need to trade, and as a late bloomer he isn’t going to cost the earth.
He’s also quite durable, missing less than three games a season in the past four years.
Casboult can take a mark, no-one denies it, but it’s what he does next that’s the problem.
He’s notoriously one of the worst set shots for goal in the league and messing up good passages of play with a crap finish can demoralise a team.
At an estimated $600K to $700K he would be taking money the Tigers would be better off using to keep genuine stars like Dustin Martin and putting aside for Rioli, Butler and Bolton’s future contracts. If they lost one of those kids because they had to pay an ageing Casboult it would be a disaster.
Levi turns 28 before next season starts, which isn’t young, and the beating his body takes will likely see him done in another four years, so where’s the long-term planning?
Richmond would be better off saving its money and investing in big kids in the draft.
The forward set-up they’ve got seems to be going just fine without a second tall – hell, they’re even winning without Jack down there!
http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/list/should-richmond-target-levi-casboult-the-case-for-and-against-afl-tigers-carlton-blues-jack-riewoldt-griffiths/pm9ep39m5zpy1pn4it3rrwojj
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Levi Casboult (Carlton)
An unrestricted free agent which means clubs like Richmond will be very keen to add a goalkicker who pinch-hits in the ruck without having to quibble over numbers or draft picks.
The Tigers or someone else would need to pay him around $600,000 and give him a three or four year deal.
But while he is limited in some capacities — he will never kick you 50 goals — he is exactly what a team like Richmond needs.
The best contested mark in the competition who can also give you 40 minutes in the ruck per game if you need it.
He wants a long-term deal and knows this is the final chance to set himself up financially.
And if Ty Vickery was worth three years and $500,000 a season at Hawthorn, Casboult is worth $600,000 a year later given the 20 per cent uptick in the TPP.
His manager denies he has locked in a deal with Richmond — which officially he isn’t allowed to anyway — but all signs point to them as the leading suitor.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/every-afl-free-agent-which-players-are-staying-leaving-and-retiring/news-story/cf6710fc6e497b3e2c0f33bc5be2f09a
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Would be an upgrade on any of Hampson, Soldo, Maric, Griffiths or Elton but FMD we're scraping the bottom of the barrel if we go after this guy.
If the Tiges finish top4 and win at least 1 finals match then they should be a choice destination for better talent than this...
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Would be an upgrade on any of Hampson, Soldo, Maric, Griffiths or Elton but FMD we're scraping the bottom of the barrel if we go after this guy.
If the Tiges finish top4 and win at least 1 finals match then they should be a choice destination for better talent than this...
That doesn't make much sense.
If he is an upgrade on those 5 Tigers, how is that scraping the bottom of the barrel?
If we get rid of those 5 and draft a few KP kids we will be in a much better position financially and in a team sense.
Love or like Casboult he would be in our best 22 and imo would do wonders for our forwardline set up.
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Is it possible to get Sicily?
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Is it possible to get Sicily?
Not sure, but there is a rumour that Jack Darling may well be available. Would we be interested in him?
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Is it possible to get Sicily?
Only via trade
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Those who don't want Casboult at Richmond will be happy.
Levi Casboult will not be at Richmond in 2018
JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
12 August 2017
RICHMOND will not offer Levi Casboult a deal next year as it considers bolstering its list with two first-round draftees instead.
The Blues free agent has been heavily linked to the Tigers, who are on record as keen pursue a second key tall.
Coach Damien Hardwick this year confirmed Richmond had pursued Brisbane’s second-year forward Josh Schache, but Casboult will not be at Richmond next year.
The club’s determination to secure Dustin Martin on a deal in excess of $1 million will stress the club’s salary cap.
It means they could end up using both their first-round picks in the draft, with Brett Deledio deal handing them Geelong’s 2017 first-round pick.
Those picks are currently 15 and 16, with the Tigers also holding an extra third-round pick.
Shaun Hampson returns to VFL football this week and the club is hopeful Ben Griffiths can overcome shoulder and concussion issues next year.
It means Casboult will have to find another bidder for his services, with the key forward keen for a lucrative long-term deal.
Brendon Bolton could not guarantee he would be at Carlton.
“We’ll see how all that unfolds, I’d like to think so, but it always the unknown,” Bolton said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/levi-casboult-will-not-be-at-richmond-in-2018/news-story/68566fe59c4073d3aca8f09ba5f4e835
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Thank stuff.
Imagine, Hampson, Yarran and Cashbolt
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This Dusty deal must be sucking the life out of our salary cap.
I reckon we would sign Casboult if we had the cash.
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No what's sucking the life out of our salary club is having duds like yarran, Hampson and Griffiths still on the payroll
Looking forward to 2018 where Hampson puts in an average year and gets a contract extension :gotigers
That article, if true, is very welcome
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No what's sucking the life out of our salary club is having duds like yarran, Hampson and Griffiths still on the payroll
Looking forward to 2018 where Hampson puts in an average year and gets a contract extension :gotigers
That article, if true, is very welcome
:clapping :thumbsup
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Great news, go to the draft
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Great news, go to the draft
we wouldnt be using a draft pick to get casboult
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na, but we would be stopping the blues from getting one. :thumbsup
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I'd rather use our first rounders to get Lever and McGovern and leave Casboult alone.
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I'd rather use our first rounders to get Lever and McGovern and leave Casboult alone.
So would I, but both our first rounders wouldn't get either of those players IMO.
Adelaide will not give them away, and there are teams who will offer them more for each of these players than we can.
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Casboult aside, we still have a problem, no apparent coverage for Jack and/or Griffiths.
I can't see us getting this coverage in the draft straight away. Young KPF will take time to develop n I don't think we have that much time.
Callum Moore? Not sure where he is at.
So where to from here? State leagues rookie?
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I'd rather use our first rounders to get Lever and McGovern and leave Casboult alone.
So we haven't got enough money for Casboult but we have for both of these two??
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I guess the question is would you rather Griffiths on the list or Casboult?
One gets knocked out every other week and the other is the number 1 contested mark in the entire AFL who has also kicked 30 odd goals as a forward/ruck.
The money would be similar but with the retirement of Maric that would make up the difference.
No one can say it's a money decision imo.
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I guess the question is would you rather Griffiths on the list or Casboult?
One gets knocked out every other week and the other is the number 1 contested mark in the entire AFL who has also kicked 30 odd goals as a forward/ruck.
The money would be similar but with the retirement of Maric that would make up the difference.
No one can say it's a money decision imo.
I think your comparison is spot on, however we would be paying Casboult around the 500-600 mark to bring him across from what I understand. A fair bit more than what Griffo would be on.
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I guess the question is would you rather Griffiths on the list or Casboult?
One gets knocked out every other week and the other is the number 1 contested mark in the entire AFL who has also kicked 30 odd goals as a forward/ruck.
The money would be similar but with the retirement of Maric that would make up the difference.
No one can say it's a money decision imo.
I think your comparison is spot on, however we would be paying Casboult around the 500-600 mark to bring him across from what I understand. A fair bit more than what Griffo would be on.
As I said, they difference would be made up with the retirement of Maric.
Casboult- $600k
Griff- $400k
Maric- $200k
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I don't agree with the article that our salary cap is tight. Sure we'll be paying Dusty as much as two players but the cap increase plus Maric, Deledio and Yarran alone would clear plenty of room and then any delistings on top. If that's the case then we can't bring anyone in at all which is garbage.
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I don't agree with the article that our salary cap is tight. Sure we'll be paying Dusty as much as two players but the cap increase plus Maric, Deledio and Yarran alone would clear plenty of room and then any delistings on top. If that's the case then we can't bring anyone in at all which is garbage.
I wouldn't know, but the club might have an eye to the future. We have some other players we need to resign and if we pay overs that might be hard.
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Looking at our apparent issue with coverage for our KPFs.......
I thought Taberner played a reasonable game for Freo today in a side that got flogged.
Reckon he would be available and might be a reasonably priced depth player for our tall forward roles. Think his papers are stamped at Freo.
Same goes for McInnes at West Coast. Has talent, just hasn't produced. Maybe a change of club might get something out of him?
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Where's our big fish? Still waiting.
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Where's our big fish? Still waiting.
Prestia ..... :lol
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So Dogs & Libba have fallen out and apparently we're all over him.... :shh
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Be worth it just to see his old man in the stands wearing a Richmond scarf....
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Be worth it just to see his old man in the stands wearing a Richmond scarf....
:clapping
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From Jon Ralph's live chat today:
Q. Jackson Trengove on the move? Back to vic?
JR: Jackson Trengove continues to say he wants to stay but when he gets dropped as he was against Collingwood its a pretty good reality check for him. Why wouldn't a club like Richmond or Carlton be keen for a player who can play forward, ruck, defence and do it well. The Tigers are adamant they won't have salary cap room for someone like that but if clubs miss on their first priorities and someone like Trengove is available will they be tempted?
Q. What key forwards are Richmond going after??
JR: They seem to feel that they don't have money to secure a star. So right now they are saying if Shaun Hampson comes back and Ben Griffiths recovers from his concussions, they can play Toby Nankervis or Griffiths as the second tall. Then they might go to the draft and recruit a couple of tall forwards with first-round picks and find a successor to Jack. That is if they can keep Dusty Martin. If he leaves all bets are off
Q. Casboult to tiges. done deal
JR: The Tigers are adamant that they aren't interested in Casboult or if they were have cooled. They were happy for me to make that public over the weekend so I don't think it's a leverage position, they just don't want him. But someone will tip into him. Maybe not at 600K.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jon-ralph-rates-value-of-free-agents-steven-motlop-levi-casboult-tom-rockliff/news-story/74cd60eddc6e6d50ca1bd5479f34d38d
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There was talk about Jack Redpath only having a one year option on his current contract at Dogs.
Surely he would be worth a chat to and seeing if he was interested in a 3 year deal?
Maybe his knees are a risk?
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So Dogs & Libba have fallen out and apparently we're all over him.... :shh
Hell yes. Would love Libba.
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Libba is only out on form if I recall. Would be more than worth the gamble if we could get him into last year's form.
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There was talk about Jack Redpath only having a one year option on his current contract at Dogs.
Surely he would be worth a chat to and seeing if he was interested in a 3 year deal?
Maybe his knees are a risk?
I'm keen and have been for 1-2 years.
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Snip :banghead
Folks you know the rules
Keep unsubstantiated runours even the cryptic the ones off the forum
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They weren't overly cryptic
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They weren't overly cryptic
Agree i was trying to be kind
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Sorry. My fault. I was trying to say it gently but still was a bit brutal.
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KB would have Jack Watts at Tigerland.
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Would a move away from Melbourne be the best thing for Jack Watts’ football? Former St Kilda chief Brian Waldron believes so.
The 26-year-old was dropped for the Demons win over the Saints on Sunday afternoon after three underwhelming performances since returning from a hamstring injury.
Watts only managed the one goal in Casey’s VFL win and is not guarantee to return for this weekend’s meeting with Brisbane.
“If I was at St Kilda, I would take Jack Watts because he gives them something that they do have,” Waldron said on SEN’s Hungry For Sport.
“I think Jack Watts has enormous talent, but I think a change would be good.
“He’s got genuine class, Jack Watts, and St Kilda haven’t got a lot of that genuine class at the top end.”
Former Richmond legend Kevin Bartlett agreed, saying that he’d gladly welcome the former No.1 draft pick to Richmond.
“I would take Jack Watts,” he said.
“He’s still got a lot of improvement in his game, but it’s the talent factor that he’s got.
The urgency in his game that people talk about – sometimes it’s there, sometimes it’s not there.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/16/a-change-would-be-good-for-out-of-favor-demon/
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If he was cheap
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I would spew if we got Watts
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KB probably wants us to swap Martin for Watts.....
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We are fast running out of options for talls to acquire.
I'd rather watts than no one as he's better than Elton but he would have to come incredibly cheap
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I'd rather the ridiculous cardboard cutout head of Watts that their stupid cheer squad hold up than the girl himself.
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I'd rather the ridiculous cardboard cutout head of Watts that their stupid cheer squad hold up than the girl himself.
x 2
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I would spew if we got Watts
What if Balmey was behind it?
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We could always get Rance to punch some aggression into him....
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I would spew if we got Watts
What if Balmey was behind it?
Schrewd :clapping
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I would spew if we got Watts
What if Balmey was behind it?
Schrewd :clapping
:lol
and if it was dimwit, sack him now the dud
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I would spew if we got Watts
What if Balmey was behind it?
Schrewd :clapping
:lol
and if it was dimwit, sack him now the dud
God damn right
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I would spew if we got Watts
What if Balmey was behind it?
Schrewd :clapping
:lol
and if it was dimwit, sack him now the dud
God damn right
We need an emoticon of someone sliding into home base
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I'm very interested in getting Watts.
Focussed, committed, loaded, looks good for her age and seems to really enjoy a contest from what I've seen.
Naomi Watts that is...............I wouldn't touch the other one for quids
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I'm very interested in getting Watts.
Focussed, committed, loaded, looks good for her age and seems to really enjoy a contest from what I've seen.
Naomi Watts that is...............I wouldn't touch the other one for quids
:lol
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Contrary to popular belief Richmond has not tabled and offer to Casboult whos stats are better than Reid's at the Swans.
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot/status/898112509650935808
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Well, someones got to pay for that! >:(
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One who has not been given any sort of go and hence has not done a lot is Fraser McInnes. 197CM 96KG Takes a strong grab and he really does compete well in the air.
He will probably get delisted with the idiot coach simpson in charge.
Would be hellcheap or nothing would not mind us having a good look at him with either a cheap trade late nd or rookie pick. if he works out great and if he didnt what do we lose.
Every time ive seen him play he has done okay.
The other tall eagle i really like is Barass but not much chance of prizing him away but i would not let that stop me from trying.
Andrews a 200cm kpd wtf eh and McStay a kpf at Brisbane, be good to prise one of them away as stated Brissie have a plethora of talls.
Would be great to get our hands on a player like Balter Naughton or Allen in the nd.
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Andrews a 200cm kpd wtf eh and McStay a kpf at Brisbane, be good to prise one of them away as stated Brissie have a plethora of talls.
Would be great to get our hands on a player like Balter Naughton or Allen in the nd.
Especially if they take their academy KP pick. What's his name again?
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Mc Govern?
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If we can somehow land McGovern or Lever I will wet myself in excitement
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Not player that we would be interested in I assume, but strong rumours in the West that Chris Masten will be looking for a new home this offseason.
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Mason Cox contract: Hawks, Tigers eye Collingwood big man
JAY CLARK,
Herald Sun
22 August 2017
COLLINGWOOD could face a fight to keep Mason Cox as rivals circle the 211cm big man.
Hawthorn and Richmond are both believed to have an interest in the American to help bolster their ruck-forward stocks.
The Magpies have offered Cox a two-year deal and are confident he will continue to develop rapidly at the club after 17 goals from 11 games last season.
But Cox, 26, is eager for more senior game time and faces a big decision on whether to pursue a No.1 ruck-forward role at another club next year.
Cox is stuck behind No. 1 ruckman Brodie Grundy, who will reclaim the spot on Saturday against Melbourne and has signed a three-year contract extension.
It means Cox will likely assess his trade options in the coming weeks as the Hawks and Tigers scour the player market for versatile talls.
The uncertainty surrounding Nathan Buckley’s position has also clouded Cox’s decision with the senior coach still in the dark about his own future beyond this season.
Cox struggled to have an impact in the early part of the season as a key forward but has shown encouraging form in the ruck during Grundy’s suspension over the past fortnight.
The former American basketballer had 43 hit-outs, eight tackles, nine possessions and six marks in their 11-point loss to Geelong on Saturday at the MCG in one of the best games of his 19-match career.
But Grundy will resume the lead ruck role this weekend and has signed a $625,000 a year contract offer to lead the Magpies’ midfield until the end of 2020.
Grundy’s deal is expected to be announced this week.
The Pies can ill-afford to lose Cox after fighting off rival interest to secure him with pick 60 in the 2015 rookie draft.
Mason Cox impressed against the Cats at the weekend. Picture: Getty Images
Collingwood was caught short in the key forward department this year and has been forced to swing Ben Reid into attack to help support Darcy Moore.
Collingwood is also expected to make a strong play for Gold Coast spearhead Tom Lynch when the prized goalkicker becomes a free agent at the end of next year.
Cox has booted eight goals from eight senior matches this season.
Richmond wants a tall forward to combine with Jack Riewoldt, who has close links to Cox through former Collingwood development guru, Craig McRae, the Tigers’ VFL coach.
Hawthorn re-signed senior ruckman Ben McEvoy, 28, last week but the club’s back-up ruck options are led by out-of-favour ex-Tiger Tyrone Vickery, knee victim Jon Ceglar and rookie Jack Fitzpatrick.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/mason-cox-weighing-up-future-with-collingwood-as-hawthorn-and-richmond-eye-big-man/news-story/7e33911aeb5d1884779e9fb17ab6b005
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Lose Martin, gain Cox & Tippett....best off-season ever.... :clapping :gotigers :clapping
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What about Ben Brown? I think he will be out of contract end of this year?
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End of next year....
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Good luck keeping him Norf
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If he goes turn all attention to Hopper.
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Let's face it, it doesn't matter who we pick up, our midfield would be very average if you take Dusty out.
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So if Dusty goes we have 1.2mil swilling around in our war chest, who should we go after? 1 or 2 good midfielders, 1 big fish (I don't know who though)??
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So if Dusty goes we have 1.2mil swilling around in our war chest, who should we go after? 1 or 2 good midfielders, 1 big fish (I don't know who though)??
Honestly who is available?
The problem is we'll be well behind the eight ball to work on anyone this year if he decides to go.
Personally I'd be going to the draft this year and work hard oh Sheil next year.
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So if Dusty goes we have 1.2mil swilling around in our war chest, who should we go after? 1 or 2 good midfielders, 1 big fish (I don't know who though)??
Honestly who is available?
The problem is we'll be well behind the eight ball to work on anyone this year if he decides to go.
Personally I'd be going to the draft this year and work hard oh Sheil next year.
^This^
If we were to have a competitive next year without Dusty and some talented kids coming through from this years draft, an a grader mid in their prime would have to consider a mill a year to come to us I woulda thought.
Or Prestia might step up ;)
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So if Dusty goes we have 1.2mil swilling around in our war chest, who should we go after? 1 or 2 good midfielders, 1 big fish (I don't know who though)??
Honestly who is available?
The problem is we'll be well behind the eight ball to work on anyone this year if he decides to go.
Personally I'd be going to the draft this year and work hard oh Sheil next year.
Is Josh Kelly still available?
He may consider a decent club rather than Naught Melb.
:cheers
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Hit the draft hard? Hmmm three picks in the late teens in a peeweak draft ...one of which we'll no doubt be forced to use on Corey Ellis Mk.II aka Patrick Naish....yeah nah......trade them for higher picks perhaps? Next year's the year to be doing all that...
or
Lynch or Brown next year...or....
..late play for Kelly...or
....Lever, two good mids...
...also rumours Footscray are looking to trade Stringer and that Libba wants out.... :shh
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....latest rumour is that we're into Rockcliff...
......not sure Leppa would be entirely on board with that... :shh
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I'd take Rockcliff no problem.
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No use getting Tom Lynch if we have a crap midfield kicking it to him.
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Gone alright wth crap midfield kicking it to him so far...
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Dopey David Schwarz reckons we're getting Schoenmakers....
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Dopey David Schwarz reckons we're getting Schoenmakers....
He's never been that good at having a long odds bet on something...
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Dopey David Schwarz reckons we're getting Schoenmakers....
This might be plausible except that we have Neil Balme on board.
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Bruce tonight said it's been reported this week that Schoenmakers may be moving to the Bulldogs.
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Dopey David Schwarz reckons we're getting Schoenmakers....
This might be plausible except that we have Neil Balme on board.
:clapping
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Dopey David Schwarz reckons we're getting Schoenmakers....
We were into him 2 or so seasons ago. I know that for a fact.
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Hes just as bad as Vickery - no thanks
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What even is he? I remember him being a Hawks whipping boy in defence and now what? An average forward? Surely we're past looking at these sorts.
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What even is he? I remember him being a Hawks whipping boy in defence and now what? An average forward? Surely we're past looking at these sorts.
I'd god damn hope........l.
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Tippet, Casbolt and Reid
Now theres a dynasty if i ever saw one :shh
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Schoenmakers is a defender, not a forward.
I wonder if we'd be too top-heavy with him in the backline, but with Rance and Grimes being so versatile it could work out.
He's not a forward's A-hole...
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-27/ive-got-no-idea-american-pies-contract-limbo
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Schoenmakers is a defender, not a forward.
But what sport does he play?
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Schoenmakers has re-signed. Thank stuff.
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American ruckman Mason Cox is set to depart Collingwood to move north to Brisbane, according to former St Kilda chief executive Brian Waldron.
Waldon also said that Brisbane youngster Josh Schache – he re-signed with the Lions mid-season – remains a player of interest for rival clubs, with the Western Bulldogs keen to lure him back to Victoria.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/29/magpie-set-to-fly-the-coop/
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Schoenmakers has re-signed. Thank stuff.
:clapping
American ruckman Mason Cox is set to depart Collingwood to move north to Brisbane, according to former St Kilda chief executive Brian Waldron.
Waldon also said that Brisbane youngster Josh Schache – he re-signed with the Lions mid-season – remains a player of interest for rival clubs, with the Western Bulldogs keen to lure him back to Victoria.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/29/magpie-set-to-fly-the-coop/
Not sure if schache is still of interest but locating a quality tall fwd is on our radar?
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Lachy Hansen?
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No
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Carlton just delisted Jaksch......
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Carlton just delisted Jaksch......
Interesting move.
Really thought he would go well at the Blues. I'm sure he had the talent to play AFL, but obviously hasn't shown it.
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Mitch McGovern ends speculation, re-signs with Crows.
https://thewest.com.au/news/albany-advertiser/mcgovern-ends-speculation-re-signs-with-crows-ng-b88583511z
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Carlton just delisted Jaksch......
Worth considering for a rookie spot?
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Not trades this year, budget is tapped out. :cheers
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What about Hansen would at least provide some cover in the short term while we developed a kid like say naughton if we took him in the nd.
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Not sure if this is always 100% reliable but:
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/903212819532791808
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Not sure if this is always 100% reliable but:
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/903212819532791808
Thank goodness.
Must be because Dusty just took all the money :eyeroll:
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Martin re-signs, Casboob not coming.....superb 24 hours... :clapping :clapping
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What about Hansen would at least provide some cover in the short term while we developed a kid like say naughton if we took him in the nd.
No thank you. The guy can't even run from his hip issues. No way!
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Not sure if this is always 100% reliable but:
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/903212819532791808
As opposed to my Dusty mail.Apology accepted
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Not sure if this is always 100% reliable but:
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/903212819532791808
As opposed to my Dusty mail.Apology accepted
Haha. I called into question the veracity of that source. I knew yours was Iron Clad :shh
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Not sure if this is always 100% reliable but:
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/903212819532791808
As opposed to my Dusty mail.Apology accepted
Haha. I called into question the veracity of that source. I knew yours was Iron Clad :shh
:lol
Didn't ever remember posting that
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So with casboult off the table. Who are we gonna try and get to fill our kpf stocks ?
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So with casboult off the table. Who are we gonna try and get to fill our kpf stocks ?
Or our KPD stocks for that matter. If anything the lack there of is just as bad as the key fwd stocks. there is literally just the two Astbury and Rance who are key position size.
If we look at Hampson as a spud, Maric gone and Soldo still a long way off and questionable, we need to address our ruck stocks as well.
Sooner or later sides will come to grips with the way we structure up what then.
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So with casboult off the table. Who are we gonna try and get to fill our kpf stocks ?
Or our KPD stocks for that matter. If anything the lack there of is just as bad as the key fwd stocks. there is literally just the two Astbury and Rance who are key position size.
If we look at Hampson as a spud, Maric gone and Soldo still a long way off and questionable, we need to address our ruck stocks as well.
Sooner or later sides will come to grips with the way we structure up what then.
Let's hope they don't work it out this year... :snidegrin
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No doubt sides have figured out how we structure up by now, but actually matching up with our smalls is the problem. On a smaller ground like Simmonds stadium its much easier. But agreed basically we are in trouble all over the ground with talls.
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No doubt sides have figured out how we structure up by now, but actually matching up with our smalls is the problem. On a smaller ground like Simmonds stadium its much easier. But agreed basically we are in trouble all over the ground with talls.
With the exception of a key forward/Ruck, Our first choice key position talls are outstanding.
Astbury, Rance out back with Grimes as a back up, Jack and Nank as forward with Nank as first choice Ruck have all been sensational this year.
I agree that there is a lack of depth and so luck with injuries is a key but this set up has delivered our best crack at a flag for over 20 years and should therefore at the very least should be acknowledged
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Garthwaite looks to be the goods. Give him another preseason or two. Even our rookie Moore looks to have a bit of X factor and has improved a lot over the year. A bit worried about Mabior but even there he has the tools and now just has to bring the application. Sure they are a long way off senior footy but they are at least there.
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Hopper just re-signed with GWS.....but Kennedy - one of the kids we bid on with our Rioli pick - still hasn't.... :shh
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What's the deal with Himmelberg? Is he out of contract? Seems to be a very good player we may be able to snaffle.
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Garthwaite looks to be the goods. Give him another preseason or two. Even our rookie Moore looks to have a bit of X factor and has improved a lot over the year. A bit worried about Mabior but even there he has the tools and now just has to bring the application. Sure they are a long way off senior footy but they are at least there.
I agree doc, reckon Moore has developed considerably this season. I like garthwaite, he's a competitive beast, as soon as he gets a bit of size he'll be a good flexible sort to have in the side.
I'm a fan of Chols X factor but man he's got to do something about his aerobic capacity. He was sucking in the big ones 15 mins in the first qtr after a couple of efforts.
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Garthwaite looks to be the goods. Give him another preseason or two. Even our rookie Moore looks to have a bit of X factor and has improved a lot over the year. A bit worried about Mabior but even there he has the tools and now just has to bring the application. Sure they are a long way off senior footy but they are at least there.
I agree doc, reckon Moore has developed considerably this season. I like garthwaite, he's a competitive beast, as soon as he gets a bit of size he'll be a good flexible sort to have in the side.
I'm a fan of Chols X factor but man he's got to do something about his aerobic capacity. He was sucking in the big ones 15 mins in the first qtr after a couple of efforts.
Gathwaite has impressed me and his kicking action has improved after rigorous practice. Chol needs another season but shows signs and Moore could be very handy as a 3rd mobile tall. All 3 are exiting as far as I'm concerned.
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I am not worried too much about Chol, can work on the tank, has the rest already coming along nicely, needed get more size to compete body on body.
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I am not worried too much about Chol, can work on the tank, has the rest already coming along nicely, needed get more size to compete body on body.
I tend to agree.
I was not really a fan but he showed me something today that may not show up on stat sheets but I thought he was pretty good....And aggressive.
Same to with Moore.
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No doubt sides have figured out how we structure up by now, but actually matching up with our smalls is the problem. On a smaller ground like Simmonds stadium its much easier. But agreed basically we are in trouble all over the ground with talls.
With the exception of a key forward/Ruck, Our first choice key position talls are outstanding.
Astbury, Rance out back with Grimes as a back up, Jack and Nank as forward with Nank as first choice Ruck have all been sensational this year.
I agree that there is a lack of depth and so luck with injuries is a key but this set up has delivered our best crack at a flag for over 20 years and should therefore at the very least should be acknowledged
:thumbsup
Yep agree with you 100%.
Yes Ivvy and Elton need to be replaced and who knows what will happen with griff, but in Garthwaite(agile 2nd or 3rd tall defender), Moore(agile tall fwd) and Chol(2nd ruck/fwd/defender) we have some exciting developing KPP's.
Its not unreasonable to suggest that if we draft 2-3 KPP's in this years draft(very likely) and trade for one this year or next, our list is close to being nicely balanced(theoretically). You'd think we were completely bereft of KPP's(apart from Jack and Rance) listening to some posters on here.
We've got some good bargaining chips 2 x first rounders this year, our first rounder next year. Id be having a serious crack at Patton and Lynch at the end of the year. Add one of those 2 and add in a couple more draftees plus Xavier Richards and I reckon we're in a fantastic position for sustained success.
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Garthwaite looks to be the goods. Give him another preseason or two. Even our rookie Moore looks to have a bit of X factor and has improved a lot over the year. A bit worried about Mabior but even there he has the tools and now just has to bring the application. Sure they are a long way off senior footy but they are at least there.
I can tell you this much Doc - the club are THAT impressed with Moore that if not for finals he would be the next cab off the rank into the senior 22 to trial on game day.
He will play early 2018. :shh
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I suppose the main problem is a second tall who can help nank in the ruck coz he will breakdown.
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Garthwaite looks to be the goods. Give him another preseason or two. Even our rookie Moore looks to have a bit of X factor and has improved a lot over the year. A bit worried about Mabior but even there he has the tools and now just has to bring the application. Sure they are a long way off senior footy but they are at least there.
I can tell you this much Doc - the club are THAT impressed with Moore that if not for finals he would be the next cab off the rank into the senior 22 to trial on game day.
He will play early 2018. :shh
Watching him yesterday I thought he was excellent.
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Anyone for Jackson Trengove?
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Garthwaite looks to be the goods. Give him another preseason or two. Even our rookie Moore looks to have a bit of X factor and has improved a lot over the year. A bit worried about Mabior but even there he has the tools and now just has to bring the application. Sure they are a long way off senior footy but they are at least there.
I can tell you this much Doc - the club are THAT impressed with Moore that if not for finals he would be the next cab off the rank into the senior 22 to trial on game day.
He will play early 2018. :shh
I agree with Doc on both players - my only question is whether they are an "in between" height to play key position - at 6ft 4 they aren't quite tall enough to play as key position players. Especially Moore who would play in a position which might require a chip out in the ruck
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6'4" is 195cm which is enough for key position. Our ruckman is only listed as 199cm.
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Claw says any taller than 196cm and they are likely to be duds. :whistle
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Thought that was 200cm
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Anyone for Jackson Trengove?
No. He's a crab for mine.
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Anyone for Jackson Trengove?
No. He's a crab for mine.
If hes a crab, he makes Griffiths look like seafood extender.
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Anyone for Jackson Trengove?
No. He's a crab for mine.
If hes a crab, he makes Griffiths look like seafood extender.
Faux crab...
More like crab stick or seafood salad mix :shh
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Whispers getting louder about Schache changing his mind & wanting out again..... :shh
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Whispers getting louder about Schache changing his mind & wanting out again..... :shh
Keep hearing that as well. Pass. We'd have to give up too much.
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Whispers getting louder about Schache changing his mind & wanting out again..... :shh
He'd be a good get if the trade could get done
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would be people be willing to give up our 2 first rounders for him?
and would brisbane accept that?
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would be people be willing to give up our 2 first rounders for him?
and would brisbane accept that?
We'd lose naish?
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Is Schache really that good?
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would be people be willing to give up our 2 first rounders for him?
and would brisbane accept that?
We'd lose naish?
Not if we got their second round pick in return. I would seriously look at this.
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would be people be willing to give up our 2 first rounders for him?
and would brisbane accept that?
absolutely id give those picks up. whats the odds of us getting someone good with them anyway
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would be people be willing to give up our 2 first rounders for him?
and would brisbane accept that?
absolutely id give those picks up. whats the odds of us getting someone good with them anyway
The odds are pretty good. Balta is in our sights ad if he hadn't had a knee recon he'd be going top 5..... :shh
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would be people be willing to give up our 2 first rounders for him?
and would brisbane accept that?
I wouldn't.
I would go to the draft and grab a couple of young KPF with those picks and get Casboult for nothing while the youngsters learn and develop.
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would be people be willing to give up our 2 first rounders for him?
and would brisbane accept that?
I wouldn't.
I would go to the draft and grab a couple of young KPF with those picks and get Casboult for nothing while the youngsters learn and develop.
Casboult re-signed with Carlton.
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would be people be willing to give up our 2 first rounders for him?
and would brisbane accept that?
I wouldn't.
I would go to the draft and grab a couple of young KPF with those picks and get Casboult for nothing while the youngsters learn and develop.
casboult just re-signed
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would be people be willing to give up our 2 first rounders for him?
and would brisbane accept that?
I wouldn't.
I would go to the draft and grab a couple of young KPF with those picks and get Casboult for nothing while the youngsters learn and develop.
You were a few seconds too late with that taz.... :shh
casboult just re-signed
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Has anyone heard if Casboult has re-signed?
Need to keep our options open.
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Not sure Dooks, have been surfing the net but can't find anything definitive
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def re-signed fellas. 2 years.
my brothers baggas so i was sure to remind him of their astute offseason signing :clapping
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Lynch could become ambassador for suns and afl help them out so he can stay.Clowns running this competition beyond believe.
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Lynch could become ambassador for suns and afl help them out so he can stay.Clowns running this competition beyond believe.
Absolute joke of a competition. They manipulate anything and everything on the run to get their desired outcome. Biggest bunch of commies since the old USSR
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:shh
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We are recording a trade update episode on the podcast tonight with a bloke who has had some good / accurate mail in the past with our trades. i'll post it here once recorded!
there will also be a bit on dusty and how it all played out. he has always had the good mail on dusty as well during all contract talks.
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Not that Tiger 71 flog again is it? Because he's rarely ever right....
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Not that Tiger 71 flog again is it? Because he's rarely ever right....
what has he got wrong?
got prestia right, hampson right, caddy right, Dusty right x 2
the only one that went pear shaped was Shiel and he still to this day believes the deal was all but done but something went wrong with the club.
for what its worth he has told me about his sources and they are pretty genuine.
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If he knew about Hampson he should have tried to stuffing stop it
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If he knew about Hampson he should have tried to stuffing stop it
:lol
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:lol
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Not that Tiger 71 flog again is it? Because he's rarely ever right....
what has he got wrong?
got prestia right, hampson right, caddy right, Dusty right x 2
the only one that went pear shaped was Shiel and he still to this day believes the deal was all but done but something went wrong with the club.
for what its worth he has told me about his sources and they are pretty genuine.
Haha most of those "scoops" were just correctly guessing 50/50 or better situations that everyone already knew about....bloke's all bluff & bluster ..... :shh
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Not that Tiger 71 flog again is it? Because he's rarely ever right....
what has he got wrong?
got prestia right, hampson right, caddy right, Dusty right x 2
the only one that went pear shaped was Shiel and he still to this day believes the deal was all but done but something went wrong with the club.
for what its worth he has told me about his sources and they are pretty genuine.
Haha yeah righteo.....who are these sources? His "mate" Chris Knights? Most of those "scoops" were correctly guessing 50/50 or better situations that everyone already knew about....all bluff & bluster ..... :shh
fair enough if thats your opinion on it all.
but reality is he has got a lot more right than most others. there has been plenty of times he has mentioned something that has then come out in the media world after he has said it.
and people do need to realise that some people actually do know people in the right places and do get access to info, not everyone makes stuff up.
granted there are a lot to do and it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes.
I fully understand people may take what he or anyone else says with a grain of salt, but i think his info is worth sharing with everyone given his record.
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If he knew about Hampson he should have tried to stuffing stop it
:lol
:lol :clapping
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Not that Tiger 71 flog again is it? Because he's rarely ever right....
what has he got wrong?
got prestia right, hampson right, caddy right, Dusty right x 2
the only one that went pear shaped was Shiel and he still to this day believes the deal was all but done but something went wrong with the club.
for what its worth he has told me about his sources and they are pretty genuine.
What went wrong with Sheil? Who stuffed it up? Was it Blair?
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Who is Tiger71?
Never seen him post on this forum.
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Who is Tiger71?
Never seen him post on this forum.
One of the hero's of BF - have to admit Dustygate 2.0 was enthralling stuff on the BF forums. People were putting their houses on whether he was staying or going ;).
Keep chiming in tigercast; don't let these grizzled old flat sticks on OER wear you down. :gotigers
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A reminder that we dont care about other forums.
Back on topic please.
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If he knew about Hampson he should have tried to stuffing stop it
Ha ha, stuffing gold
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A reminder that we dont care about other forums.
Back on topic please.
There is only one true forum
A win in a final is coming
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for anyone interested, here is the podcast we just recorded.
covers some info on the Dusty saga plus some possible trade targets for us in the off season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyqkjt5vUj4&feature=youtu.be
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...also rumours Footscray are looking to trade Stringer and that Libba wants out.... :shh
So apparently Barrett said on the Eddie Show tonight that Stringer is leaving... :shh
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and for what it is worth Tiger71 spoke about stringer leaving on the podcast a couple of hours before stevo and Barrett went with it.
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and for what it is worth Tiger71 spoke about stringer leaving on the podcast a couple of hours before stevo and Barrett went with it.
Can you ask this bloke why Sheil isn't playing in yellow and black and why the deal wasn't done.
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Wouldn't take stringer. Is cooked
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Hopefully the Martin contract will force the club to go to the draft. There are some diamonds out there. We just need to be able to uncover them. We also may find guys like Sam Hayes slipping and doing a Brodie Grundy (who was touted as top 5 before his draft). :shh
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Wouldn't take stringer. Is cooked
How so? If anything i think its the reverse, needs to be flogged on the track to get fitter and maybe then he'll realise some of his immense god given talent
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Dogs would probably command a premium for a trade on Stringer. I'm torn. I'd love to go to the draft but I'm also in the mind that some of our best players will be getting on by the time any 2017 draftees mature and our time is now.
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and for what it is worth Tiger71 spoke about stringer leaving on the podcast a couple of hours before stevo and Barrett went with it.
..and you'll also note from the quote in my post that I knew about it a fortnight ago.... :shh
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Let's put a holt on this tread until our season is over.....I laughed when story number 2 on the trade radio pod was the Hawks trying to offload Vickery.
It's awesome not giving a toss about trade week for a change.
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Pretty sure most of us are capable of dealing with more than one issue at a time... and I would hope our football department are too... :shh
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Dogs would probably command a premium for a trade on Stringer. I'm torn. I'd love to go to the draft but I'm also in the mind that some of our best players will be getting on by the time any 2017 draftees mature and our time is now.
How could they possibly command a premium? I know he's a proven jet and AA, but he's been dropped several times this year. I honestly can't see them asking for more than a first rounder and a player.
....One of ours and Lennon :shh
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Dogs would probably command a premium for a trade on Stringer. I'm torn. I'd love to go to the draft but I'm also in the mind that some of our best players will be getting on by the time any 2017 draftees mature and our time is now.
How could they possibly command a premium? I know he's a proven jet and AA, but he's been dropped several times this year. I honestly can't see them asking for more than a first rounder and a player.
....One of ours and Lennon :shh
:shh
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Let's put a holt on this tread until our season is over.....I laughed when story number 2 on the trade radio pod was the Hawks trying to offload Vickery.
It's awesome not giving a toss about trade week for a change.
No way. This the best fun online each year. Of the hundreds of rumours posted about 2 are true
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I'd take Stringer in a heartbeat.
Obviously had some issues with the coach this year and had a poor season because if it imo.
I'd give one of our first rounder for him and maybe a fringe player as steak knives.
He would kick us 40 plus goals and could go into the midfield.
What sort of coin would he be demanding? $450/500k?
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Let's put a holt on this tread until our season is over.....I laughed when story number 2 on the trade radio pod was the Hawks trying to offload Vickery.
It's awesome not giving a toss about trade week for a change.
Oh no you dont. If you dont want to give a toss then fine.
Those who want to will continue to exercise their free speech.
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I'd take Stringer in a heartbeat.
Obviously had some issues with the coach this year and had a poor season because if it imo.
I'd give one of our first rounder for him and maybe a fringe player as steak knives.
He would kick us 40 plus goals and could go into the midfield.
What sort of coin would he be demanding? $450/500k?
Jake Niall said he's on 500k and he's still contracted for next year so it would be that for the first year at least I imagine....Dogs could even pay it for the first year like we are with Deledio....
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news just before said Stringer won't be at the Dogs next year. Geelong is one of the favourites to get him.
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Could be a good pickup
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Overrated, a forward version of Bellis.
You'd all be squealing about how poo he was if he was a Tiger
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Stringer has been shocking this year. I'll cost us at least one of our first rounders plays a player.
Save our picks. Get him at free agency in 2 years time
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Didn't catch it all because it was noisy at work, but sounded like Barrett was saying on MMM that Stringer copped it from the other players at their exit meeting. He's a well known figjam and probably needs a good kick up the arse.
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Stringer has been shocking this year. I'll cost us at least one of our first rounders plays a player.
Save our picks. Get him at free agency in 2 years time
Two picks in the mid-high teens in a shallow, peeweak draft is the pefect time to either trade out or trade up...
...doubt we'll get a kid with Stringer's talent in the 14 -18 range this year.... :shh
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Stringer has been shocking this year. I'll cost us at least one of our first rounders plays a player.
Save our picks. Get him at free agency in 2 years time
Two picks in the mid-high teens in a shallow, peeweak draft is the pefect time to either trade out or trade up...
...doubt we'll get a kid with Stringer's talent in the 14 -18 range this year.... :shh
No point getting a kid with talent when he couldn't be arsed applying it. BTW, saw David Bourke delivering water to offices this week...
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Stringer has been shocking this year. I'll cost us at least one of our first rounders plays a player.
Save our picks. Get him at free agency in 2 years time
Two picks in the mid-high teens in a shallow, peeweak draft is the pefect time to either trade out or trade up...
...doubt we'll get a kid with Stringer's talent in the 14 -18 range this year.... :shh
Stringer has been shocking this year. I'll cost us at least one of our first rounders plays a player.
Save our picks. Get him at free agency in 2 years time
Two picks in the mid-high teens in a shallow, peeweak draft is the pefect time to either trade out or trade up...
...doubt we'll get a kid with Stringer's talent in the 14 -18 range this year.... :shh
No point getting a kid with talent when he couldn't be arsed applying it. BTW, saw David Bourke delivering water to offices this week...
Balta + Naish > Stringer
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Stringer has been shocking this year. I'll cost us at least one of our first rounders plays a player.
Save our picks. Get him at free agency in 2 years time
Two picks in the mid-high teens in a shallow, peeweak draft is the pefect time to either trade out or trade up...
...doubt we'll get a kid with Stringer's talent in the 14 -18 range this year.... :shh
Stringer has been shocking this year. I'll cost us at least one of our first rounders plays a player.
Save our picks. Get him at free agency in 2 years time
Two picks in the mid-high teens in a shallow, peeweak draft is the pefect time to either trade out or trade up...
...doubt we'll get a kid with Stringer's talent in the 14 -18 range this year.... :shh
No point getting a kid with talent when he couldn't be arsed applying it. BTW, saw David Bourke delivering water to offices this week...
Balta + Naish > Stringer
I agree. Not sure Balta will reach our pick. Have heard teams out of the 8 are interested.
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Stringer has been shocking this year. I'll cost us at least one of our first rounders plays a player.
Save our picks. Get him at free agency in 2 years time
Two picks in the mid-high teens in a shallow, peeweak draft is the pefect time to either trade out or trade up...
...doubt we'll get a kid with Stringer's talent in the 14 -18 range this year.... :shh
Stringer has been shocking this year. I'll cost us at least one of our first rounders plays a player.
Save our picks. Get him at free agency in 2 years time
Two picks in the mid-high teens in a shallow, peeweak draft is the pefect time to either trade out or trade up...
...doubt we'll get a kid with Stringer's talent in the 14 -18 range this year.... :shh
No point getting a kid with talent when he couldn't be arsed applying it. BTW, saw David Bourke delivering water to offices this week...
Balta + Naish > Stringer
I agree. Not sure Balta will reach our pick. Have heard teams out of the 8 are interested.
Certainly upped his currency. Im thinking pick in the early teens onwards
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Stringer has been shocking this year. I'll cost us at least one of our first rounders plays a player.
Save our picks. Get him at free agency in 2 years time
Two picks in the mid-high teens in a shallow, peeweak draft is the pefect time to either trade out or trade up...
...doubt we'll get a kid with Stringer's talent in the 14 -18 range this year.... :shh
Stringer has been shocking this year. I'll cost us at least one of our first rounders plays a player.
Save our picks. Get him at free agency in 2 years time
Two picks in the mid-high teens in a shallow, peeweak draft is the pefect time to either trade out or trade up...
...doubt we'll get a kid with Stringer's talent in the 14 -18 range this year.... :shh
No point getting a kid with talent when he couldn't be arsed applying it. BTW, saw David Bourke delivering water to offices this week...
Balta + Naish > Stringer
Yeah nah....
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RICHMOND’S qualifying final victory over Geelong on Friday would have given Tom Lynch and the Suns plenty to think about.
How must Lynch have felt watching former teammate Dion Prestia advance to a preliminary final in front of 95,000 at the MCG?
Or Josh Caddy.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/victorian-clubs-will-use-dion-prestias-final-to-lure-tom-lynch-to-melbourne/news-story/615c1bb1ab1f0cead8112a48feb27b92
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If Lynch leaves the Suns they are finished. The AFL won't let it happen.
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Tippet for Miles ... :o
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Draft pick for Miles
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Rumours the Brisbane lad key forward wants tigers
Yes please :shh
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Not Schache again
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Rumours the Brisbane lad key forward wants tigers
Yes please :shh
LMAO
You are not believing a tweet from a troll account are you?
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1885 is legit! >:(
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1885 is legit! >:(
The rumour started from the trade shouter which is a troll account.
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1885 is legit! >:(
The rumour started from the trade shouter which is a troll account.
The rumor has been around since the start of the season though
One of the journalist was promoting it
This guy or lynch and the list would look quite strong :shh
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1885 is legit! >:(
The rumour started from the trade shouter which is a troll account.
The rumour is legit from what I've heard from multiple sources. Signed with Brisbane to relieve some pressure mid season. Brisbane open to a trade if given enough. 2 first round picks and Lloyd ?
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Yes the rumour's had legs for a few weeks now from multiple sources..... :shh
Stringer to Richmond also gaining traction (unlikely we can afford both him & Schache)....though if another rumour regarding a certain very high-profile RFC player & Stringer's ex is true, I can't see it happening.... :shh
Rockcliffe to Richmond another rumour but I highly doubt it for several reasons....
Woudn't be surprised if we came in at the last minute to snatch Lever (no rumour just my gut feeling mixed with wishful thinking)
If we're one of the clubs heavily into Lynch for next year as is also strongly rumoured, I highly doubt we'd be bringing in any big names this year...
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We're definitely right into Lynch and my mail is that he wants to come to us.
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We're definitely right into Lynch and my mail is that he wants to come to us.
If thats the case I wouldnt waste time, I'd be offering up 2 x first rounders to get him this year.
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We're definitely right into Lynch and my mail is that he wants to come to us.
If thats the case I wouldnt waste time, I'd be offering up 2 x first rounders to get him this year.
From what I hear, that's exactly what we're trying to do.
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The AFL will move heaven & earth to keep him up there....they might as well just wrap GC up if he goes....could be "Lockett to Richmond" all over again.... :shh
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The AFL will move heaven & earth to keep him up there....they might as well just wrap GC up if he goes....could be "Lockett to Richmond" all over again.... :shh
My thoughts exactly. Ill enjoy the rumours but no way I see it happening.
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1885 is legit! >:(
The rumour started from the trade shouter which is a troll account.
Foxsports reporting it bo
Welcome to tiger land young man
:cheers
The AFL will move heaven & earth to keep him up there....they might as well just wrap GC up if he goes....could be "Lockett to Richmond" all over again.... :shh
There is more spotlight on them these days
Blatant cheating will be frowned upon , the PR people will go into shock
Like how they tired to get the drugs cheat off
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1885 is legit! >:(
The rumour started from the trade shouter which is a troll account.
Foxsports reporting it bo
Welcome to tiger land young man
:cheers
They probably got it off BF. :snidegrin
Look I know we were keen. But he is contracted and will demand too high a price.
Plus I don't know if he is as good as many think. The jury is definitely still out.
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Doubt we'd be getting Schache and then going for Lynch despite both being strong rumours....
Stringer and one them far more likely ...though still not very likely.....
No Stringer and only one of Schache or Lynch would be most likely IMO....
Also if next year's draft actually is the super draft in terms of depth & quality that's being widely predicted then we should be trading into it, not out of it..... :shh
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Wouldn't pay no more then a late first rd for Schache no way 2 first rounds.
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One for Stringer, one for Schache....might also need to involve players like Miles, Lennon, Lloyd, Castagna, later picks and other clubs ((Sydney rumoured to be into Miles, Carlton rumoured to be interested in Lennon & Castagna)...have also heard whispers for over a year now regarding Menadue & Footscray which would help us with Stringer....:
Weak draft , minimum top 4 finish , two low first round picks...destination club for the first time in decades.....ideal conditions to trade out.... only real stumbling block is the salary cap....:shh
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Schache's manager has just come out and said it's bollocks.
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...as managers often do..... :shh
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FWIW, I actually hope the manager's telling the truth...not sold on Schache at all and fear we'll pay massive overs in terms of both money & picks.....
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-11/lions-schache-manager-shuts-down-trade-speculation
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Mason Cox has re-signed with Collingwood for 3 years. So that media rumour that we were one of the clubs interested has been put to bed.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/american-ruckforward-mason-cox-signs-new-threeyear-deal-at-collingwood-rebuffing-interest-from-other-clubs/news-story/ed957b2c7ab2a5662f607f21df25d7de
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Reckon Josh Schache won't be at Brisbane next year. Tigers poised. Late first round pick might do the deal. Perfect for Richmond.
https://twitter.com/ClarkyHeraldSun/status/907129595278663680
"Told categorically today that Jake Stringer will not be at the Dogs next season. He wants to play at Essendon or Cats" - @cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/SportsdayRadio/status/907165989921370112
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Jack Niall jusr said on AFL Tonight that Schache's packed up all his belongings and his teammates reckon he's leaving....
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Reckon Josh Schache won't be at Brisbane next year. Tigers poised. Late first round pick might do the deal. Perfect for Richmond.
https://twitter.com/ClarkyHeraldSun/status/907129595278663680
"Told categorically today that Jake Stringer will not be at the Dogs next season. He wants to play at Essendon or Cats" - @cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/SportsdayRadio/status/907165989921370112
ya joking, thats cheap even if he turns out to be a bust
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Would much prefer Stringer out of those two....I'd say Essendon will probably get him as Geelong have no first round pick to offer...
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Brisbane teammates of No. 2 pick Josh Schache believe his future is likely to be elsewhere after packing up belongings.
Teammates of the 20-year-old are not expecting Schache to return to the Lions for the 2018 season, foxfooty.com.au understands.
Schache, who lived with teammates Corey Lyons and Alex Witherden this season, is believed to have packed up most of his belongings, leaving little in Brisbane to return to.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/brisbane-teammates-of-no-2-pick-josh-schache-believe-his-future-is-likely-to-be-elsewhere-after-packing-up-belongings/news-story/9f826ae879780a78e3cb72a9e33aba74
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But he didn't pack his bed, TV and dresser....
Unless he owns a truck, those things won't fit in his car
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Hey; if we could get Schache for a third rounder and maybe a Conca or Menadue type Id definitely do it.
I dont think we will and Id rather save the first rounder for the draft or a stronger trade.
Then again, I back our system to turn him around. Could be the perfect player for where we are at. Wouldnt be our #1 key forward for a while yet so that would help development immensely. Im sure he'd jump at us if we seriously expressed interest.
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If Lynch leaves the Suns they are finished. The AFL won't let it happen.
I agree. Tom Lynch is going to get paid a lot of money outside of the footy cap in coming seasons.
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Hey; if we could get Schache for a third rounder and maybe a Conca or Menadue type Id definitely do it.
I dont think we will and Id rather save the first rounder for the draft or a stronger trade.
Then again, I back our system to turn him around. Could be the perfect player for where we are at. Wouldnt be our #1 key forward for a while yet so that would help development immensely. Im sure he'd jump at us if we seriously expressed interest.
Ummm it will take at least one first round pick plus extra to satisfy the Lions.
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FWIW, I have heard from a pretty reasonable source (person with very good connections to a WA AFL club) that the Tigers are expected to trade for a late 2nd round pick and may have a deal in place already.
No further info, read into what you can/want.
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Hey; if we could get Schache for a third rounder and maybe a Conca or Menadue type Id definitely do it.
I dont think we will and Id rather save the first rounder for the draft or a stronger trade.
Then again, I back our system to turn him around. Could be the perfect player for where we are at. Wouldnt be our #1 key forward for a while yet so that would help development immensely. Im sure he'd jump at us if we seriously expressed interest.
Ummm it will take at least one first round pick plus extra to satisfy the Lions.
I would have thought but have been hearing a lesser pick would do it.
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news just said the Tigers have surged to be in the running for Jake Stringer, who is definitely leaving the Bulldogs.
It's now out of three clubs - Richmond, Geelong and Essendon.
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Sorry George...
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news just said the Tigers have surged to be in the running for Jake Stringer, who is definitely leaving the Bulldogs.
It's now out of three clubs - Richmond, Geelong and Essendon.
I am a conservative person by nature, and while Stringer at his best is a great player, I feel we have other needs that should be addressed before adding a cream type player to the mix.
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I'd say a 23 year old goal-kicking, premiership-winning All -Australian mobile foward & bonafide star who can also play on ball and is yet reach to his peak is exactly what we need......... :shh
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I'd say a 23 year old goal-kicking, premiership-winning All -Australian mobile foward & bonafide star who can also play on ball and is yet reach to his peak is exactly what we need......... :shh
His poor performances of late doesn't concern you at all?
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I'd say a 23 year old goal-kicking, premiership-winning All -Australian mobile foward & bonafide star who can also play on ball and is yet reach to his peak is exactly what we need......... :shh
His poor performances of late doesn't concern you at all?
If his last season were as good as his previous two, he would be unattainable ... :shh
Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news just said the Tigers have surged to be in the running for Jake Stringer, who is definitely leaving the Bulldogs.
It's now out of three clubs - Richmond, Geelong and Essendon.
I am a conservative person by nature, and while Stringer at his best is a great player, I feel we have other needs that should be addressed before adding a cream type player to the mix.
We need a key forward as much as a ruck or mid . Stringer is bit short but still pretty good option? The time try win is now and it's rare a high talent player like the dogs forward is on the table.
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I'd say a 23 year old goal-kicking, premiership-winning All -Australian mobile foward & bonafide star who can also play on ball and is yet reach to his peak is exactly what we need......... :shh
His poor performances of late doesn't concern you at all?
Nope.
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Buy low
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Not worth two of our teen picks. Need one for Balta
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The thing with Stringer for mine is that I believe we're in a fantastic place to trade for a guy like him. Aside from our two first rounders (wouldnt want to use more than one IMO) and about 3 or 4 really good standard players running around in the magoos. Sometimes you just need to take the opportunity.
One thing we havent really addressed. Cap space?
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One thing we havent really addressed. Cap space?
I guess I was trying to allude to that in my earlier post. We still have holes on this list that I'd have thought we would fill ahead of adding more cream to the cake.
I get that Stringer at his best is a quality player that anyone would want in their team. But he will cost a fair bit of cap space which, with the younger talent we have on our list, is going to be at a premium over the next few years.
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Hed demand 700, 600 if hes willing to come for unders. Still might be too much.
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Hed demand 700, 600 if hes willing to come for unders. Still might be too much.
If your being kicked out of a club with a year to run on your contract I very much doubt you'd be demanding much.
Should just be happy to get a second chance.
Stringer career is at the cross roads and could easily go either way, after being burnt by Yarran are we ready to take the same risk again?
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Hed demand 700, 600 if hes willing to come for unders. Still might be too much.
If your being kicked out of a club with a year to run on your contract I very much doubt you'd be demanding much.
Should just be happy to get a second chance.
Stringer career is at the cross roads and could easily go either way, after being burnt by Yarran are we ready to take the same risk again?
Cmon mate, who's the one being delusional?
If he ends up signing for a cent under 600 Ill go hee.
Dont forget youre Vickery types signed for as much.
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Hed demand 700, 600 if hes willing to come for unders. Still might be too much.
If your being kicked out of a club with a year to run on your contract I very much doubt you'd be demanding much.
Should just be happy to get a second chance.
Stringer career is at the cross roads and could easily go either way, after being burnt by Yarran are we ready to take the same risk again?
Cmon mate, who's the one being delusional?
If he ends up signing for a cent under 600 Ill go hee.
Dont forget youre Vickery types signed for as much.
Explain to me again how a guy who is currently on 300k a year gets sacked from his club with a year to run on his contract can demand 600k a year else where?
Who ever gets him may have to pay overs at the trade table but they certainly won't be paying that type of money for his salary.....
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Stringer will get $600k minimum.
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Hed demand 700, 600 if hes willing to come for unders. Still might be too much.
If your being kicked out of a club with a year to run on your contract I very much doubt you'd be demanding much.
Should just be happy to get a second chance.
Stringer career is at the cross roads and could easily go either way, after being burnt by Yarran are we ready to take the same risk again?
Cmon mate, who's the one being delusional?
If he ends up signing for a cent under 600 Ill go hee.
Dont forget youre Vickery types signed for as much.
I've heard Tyrone signed a lot less than that.
With afl salaries not public knowledge it's hard to say how much space we will be left. I think it more than what many reckon. :shh
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No to Stringer, we need to invest in class key forwards as jack turns 29 next year
We have an opportunity to set ourselves up well this year.
We just need to trade some players so we can accumulate points for Naish and then invest in the draft
We also need a ready made kpf to help Jack which can be gained by trading
Just my option but either way I trust in Neil Balme to not waste our resorses
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Hilarious that people don't want Stringer or think that it's more important we don't miss out on Naish.....
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No to Stringer, we need to invest in class key forwards as jack turns 29 next year
We have an opportunity to set ourselves up well this year.
We just need to trade some players so we can accumulate points for Naish and then invest in the draft
We also need a ready made kpf to help Jack which can be gained by trading
Just my option but either way I trust in Neil Balme to not waste our resorses
Stringer would be perfect for us. Still young. Quick. Very strong.
The ONLY question mark about him is his psyche make up. If he disrupts the #insaneconnection that would be catastrophic! :shh
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Actually I still think we should go after Lever and think we're massively overrating our KPD's or more specifically, our KPD depth .....Rance will likely retire at the end of his current contract....Astbury's only really had one good year (though he improved last year too) and both he and Grimes are always an injury away from being finished )....behind them we only really have the unproven Garthwaite and Chol who's still miles off it and may even be delisted this year.(though I also reckon Moore can play both ends I don't think the club has the same idea atm...would also give us the flexibilty in the short term to throw Astbury forward and even Rance ocassionally... :shh
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Hed demand 700, 600 if hes willing to come for unders. Still might be too much.
If your being kicked out of a club with a year to run on your contract I very much doubt you'd be demanding much.
Should just be happy to get a second chance.
Stringer career is at the cross roads and could easily go either way, after being burnt by Yarran are we ready to take the same risk again?
Cmon mate, who's the one being delusional?
If he ends up signing for a cent under 600 Ill go hee.
Dont forget youre Vickery types signed for as much.
I've heard Tyrone signed a lot less than that.
With afl salaries not public knowledge it's hard to say how much space we will be left. I think it more than what many reckon. :shh
Not sure who you heard it from but it was widely reported as 600. Any less and we wouldn't have got the compo.
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Actually I still think we should go after Lever and think we're massively overrating our KPD's or more specifically, our KPD depth .....Rance will likely retire at the end of his current contract....Astbury's only really had one good year (though he improved last year too) and both he and Grimes are always an injury away from being finished )....behind them we only really have the unproven Garthwaite and Chol who's still miles off it and may even be delisted this year.(though I also reckon Moore can play both ends I don't think the club has the same idea atm...would also give us the flexibilty in the short term to throw Astbury forward and even Rance ocassionally... :shh
Furthermore to this - reckon we should be enquiring about Aliir Aliir....seems to fallen out of favour at the Swanettes....
...speaking of which, I'm still firmly on the Xavier Richards bandwagon.....which at this stage probably just contains me, him, his manager & his brother Ted....
Kristian Jaksch worth a look too IMO...can pick up as a DFA though I'd prefer to just rookie him...
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Furthermore to this - reckon we should be enquiring about Aliir Aliir....seems to fallen out of favour at the Swanettes....
...speaking of which, I'm still firmly on the Xavier Richards bandwagon.....which at this stage probably just contains me, him, his manager & his brother Ted....
Kristian Jaksch worth a look too IMO...can pick up as a DFA though I'd prefer to just rookie him...
Agree with almost all of that. I don't think we'd have a chance at Lever.
Aliir Aliir would be a smart pick up.
Richards and Jaksch wouldn't cost anything so no qualms there.
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Hmmm... interesting.....
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-trade-free-agency-watch-part-2.1168137/page-160#post-52427922
...though probabably complete bullshyte.....
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From the Herald-Sun website's live trade talk today:
michael:
With Deledio and Yarran coming off the books do we think the Tigers could actually fit a Schache or even a Stringer into the equation next season? Moving out Miles and Sam Lloyd will also create a bit more room. Thoughts?
Jon Ralph:
I can't see them being able to afford a Stringer type. Schache only signed up for about 450 a year, so he's not on massive cash. I think between the lines they would like a succession plan for Jack. He is 28 and really durable - hardly ever misses games - so Schache would suit. Even speaking to Benny Gale on radio on Monday he was effusive about Schache. But they cant' have that much cash. Rough estimate JAck is on 700, Cotch something similar, Rance maybe 800 having signed up more recently, Dustin 1.18, Prestia 750. It doesn't leave a heck of a lot.
Assume Taylor Hunt, Lennon, maybe Lloyd leave. If that trio are on 750 combined and they draft three kids at 60 grand, they have 580 left over. Have they paid most of that to Dusty to resign?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-successful-offseason-is-driving-its-onfield-success-and-premiership-hopes/news-story/ea5be88375c475c5458a92e8f73bfbe1
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From the Herald-Sun website's live trade talk today:
michael:
With Deledio and Yarran coming off the books do we think the Tigers could actually fit a Schache or even a Stringer into the equation next season? Moving out Miles and Sam Lloyd will also create a bit more room. Thoughts?
Jon Ralph:
I can't see them being able to afford a Stringer type. Schache only signed up for about 450 a year, so he's not on massive cash. I think between the lines they would like a succession plan for Jack. He is 28 and really durable - hardly ever misses games - so Schache would suit. Even speaking to Benny Gale on radio on Monday he was effusive about Schache. But they cant' have that much cash. Rough estimate JAck is on 700, Cotch something similar, Rance maybe 800 having signed up more recently, Dustin 1.18, Prestia 750. It doesn't leave a heck of a lot.
Assume Taylor Hunt, Lennon, maybe Lloyd leave. If that trio are on 750 combined and they draft three kids at 60 grand, they have 580 left over. Have they paid most of that to Dusty to resign?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-successful-offseason-is-driving-its-onfield-success-and-premiership-hopes/news-story/ea5be88375c475c5458a92e8f73bfbe1
You forgot the rest of the equations ralphy you flog - front ended and backended contracts, being able to go to 105% of the cap - can work around it especially when talking about adding players of the calibre of Stringer to the list
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I don't know why people take offence when you have another opinion from there's.
It doesn't mean that you are wrong just have a different opinion
The idea with Naish is to first round pick by trading players that may want opportunities for lower medium to low picks
These would then be put together to have enough points for Naish
I don't care would we recruit but IMHO it should be players getting a regular senior game at their existing AFL team
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Rockcliff to Richmond another rumour but I highly doubt it for several reasons....
Well well well...... :shh
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tom-rockliff-weighing-up-future-at-brisbane-lions-as-victorian-clubs-circle/news-story/3a2092645cbe5dbbf2a21f8267de30ca
....still can't see him coming to us though... :shh :shh
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cheers
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Hmmm... interesting.....
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-trade-free-agency-watch-part-2.1168137/page-160#post-52427922
...though probabably complete bullshyte.....
Hey Dio can you just post what they're saying? I don't want to click onto that cruddy site
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Also, with the whole using picks to bid on a player in the draft situation. The way it's coming across is we almost definitely will have to use a first rounder on Naish (unless he slides out of the top 20 where he is predicted to go). Now, what if we traded both our first round picks and therefore had only 2nd or 3rd rounders? Can we then use them on Naish? I would have assumed so..
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Hmmm... interesting.....
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-trade-free-agency-watch-part-2.1168137/page-160#post-52427922
...though probabably complete bullshyte.....
Hey Dio can you just post what they're saying? I don't want to click onto that cruddy site
Dont be lazy.
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Hmmm... interesting.....
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-trade-free-agency-watch-part-2.1168137/page-160#post-52427922
...though probabably complete bullshyte.....
Hey Dio can you just post what they're saying? I don't want to click onto that cruddy site
Dont be lazy.
Not a case of laziness, more a case of principle. Alas...
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Also, with the whole using picks to bid on a player in the draft situation. The way it's coming across is we almost definitely will have to use a first rounder on Naish (unless he slides out of the top 20 where he is predicted to go). Now, what if we traded both our first round picks and therefore had only 2nd or 3rd rounders? Can we then use them on Naish? I would have assumed so..
We can try but it wont make up the points differential (big difference between a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder) so that means we'll go into "points debt or deficit" the following year and lose the following years first rounder.
Best bet is that no one nominates naish before our picks which is looking unlikely
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Also, with the whole using picks to bid on a player in the draft situation. The way it's coming across is we almost definitely will have to use a first rounder on Naish (unless he slides out of the top 20 where he is predicted to go). Now, what if we traded both our first round picks and therefore had only 2nd or 3rd rounders? Can we then use them on Naish? I would have assumed so..
We can try but it wont make up the points differential (big difference between a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder) so that means we'll go into "points debt or deficit" the following year and lose the following years first rounder.
Best bet is that no one nominates naish before our picks which is looking unlikely
I have heard we are trying to trade in to the second round. I presume this is to try and have a pick to get Naish.
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Also, with the whole using picks to bid on a player in the draft situation. The way it's coming across is we almost definitely will have to use a first rounder on Naish (unless he slides out of the top 20 where he is predicted to go). Now, what if we traded both our first round picks and therefore had only 2nd or 3rd rounders? Can we then use them on Naish? I would have assumed so..
We can try but it wont make up the points differential (big difference between a 1st rounder and 2nd rounder) so that means we'll go into "points debt or deficit" the following year and lose the following years first rounder.
Best bet is that no one nominates naish before our picks which is looking unlikely
I have heard we are trying to trade in to the second round. I presume this is to try and have a pick to get Naish.
Sounds like a win...
I will miss George but we have Bolton...
stringer and naish would be good replacements :shh
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Can someone explain to me why the prospect of George being traded is being talked about like its a fait accompli?
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Stringer officially on the trade table......
Give them both first rounders......
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Tigers investigate what is going on with Stringer as he has enormous ability and is suited to our new game style. A healthy and positive Stringer would be a huge addition.
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I'm not sold. Has work ethic issues, a risk which could pay off greatly. When has that worked for us
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I'd hazard a guess that he's far less of a risk than Yarran ever was and a considerably greater reward if he gets himself right.... :shh
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yeah I dunno, sounds like fewls gold to me, why they getting rid of him if he is so awesome.
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After such a long time, we eventually get the attitude right amongst the players and now we want to bring in a figjam like Stringer. Give me a rest.
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There might not be a spot for him on our list, but I see defender/run with player Declan Mountford at North has not yet been offered a new contract.
Good young player with both pace and endurance, and a very strong work ethic. I could see him developing in to a Floss type player in the next couple of years.
If we want a rebounding defender, I'd take a good look at him.
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Josh Kelly’s manager Paul Connors has told Greater Western Sydney his client will stay at the club.
On Wednesday the Giants were also buoyed by the re-signing of former No. 1 overall selection Lachie Whitfield until 2020.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/josh-kellys-manager-has-told-gws-the-star-midfielder-will-remain-with-the-giants/news-story/19a5184290d4d4fb40df3fd3348440ca
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Ugh, thats all we need. Stability at GWS...
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Ugh, thats all we need. Stability at GWS...
Funny for Nought
Now they can open their cheque book for Motlop, LMAO
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Ugh, thats all we need. Stability at GWS...
Funny for Nought
Now they can open their cheque book for Motlop, LMAO
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1518070694915232&id=1038383762883930
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Buyer beware with Stringer. Apparently has more off field issues than just attitude. Sound familiar?
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Buyer beware with Stringer. Apparently has more off field issues than just attitude. Sound familiar?
His off field are to do with the break up with his former partner and mother of his 2 kids
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Ugh, thats all we need. Stability at GWS...
Only two years
He can to tiger land after :gotigers
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Buyer beware with Stringer. Apparently has more off field issues than just attitude. Sound familiar?
His off field are to do with the break up with his former partner and mother of his 2 kids
Rumours now starting to circulate that it's more than just that, which if true, would change my mind on getting him, for now though I remain sceptical of said rumours.....Scraggers said they'll keep him if they don't get what they consider a fair offer, which I doubt they would be saying if these latest rumours were indeed true... :shh
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Buyer beware with Stringer. Apparently has more off field issues than just attitude. Sound familiar?
His off field are to do with the break up with his former partner and mother of his 2 kids
Rumours now starting to circulate that it's more than just that, which if true, would change my mind on getting him, for now though I remain sceptical of said rumours.....Scraggers said they'll keep him if they don't get what they consider a fair offer, which I doubt they would be saying if these latest rumours were indeed true... :shh
Just be careful with what you insinuate please.
From what ive been told from Doggies friends all to do with the breakup.... which he wanted i might add..nothing more
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Hmmmmm.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-14/resigned-schache-still-in-recruiters-sights
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Think I'd prefer Schache at this stage (over Stringer).
I just like the idea of a younger, more mouldable forward coming to to take the reins from Jack in a few years.
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We'll probably end up with neither.
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We dont need another problem child .
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Buyer beware with Stringer. Apparently has more off field issues than just attitude. Sound familiar?
His off field are to do with the break up with his former partner and mother of his 2 kids
Rumours now starting to circulate that it's more than just that, which if true, would change my mind on getting him, for now though I remain sceptical of said rumours.....Scraggers said they'll keep him if they don't get what they consider a fair offer, which I doubt they would be saying if these latest rumours were indeed true... :shh
PM me :shh
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How is changing from the bullfrogs to another Vic club going to improve his situation on or off the field? Looks like a quick handball hospital pass to me ala Yarran.
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Schache is better because he's 200cm. Ticks more boxes. :gotigers
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Buyer beware with Stringer. Apparently has more off field issues than just attitude. Sound familiar?
His off field are to do with the break up with his former partner and mother of his 2 kids
Rumours now starting to circulate that it's more than just that, which if true, would change my mind on getting him, for now though I remain sceptical of said rumours.....Scraggers said they'll keep him if they don't get what they consider a fair offer, which I doubt they would be saying if these latest rumours were indeed true... :shh
Just be careful with what you insinuate please.
From what ive been told from Doggies friends all to do with the breakup.... which he wanted i might add..nothing more
I didn't read one "Alleged" in any of these accusations about his private life. And I have seen any evidence to support alleged accusations.
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My queens council think we are in dangerous territory :-\
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Richmond is Schache’s most likely destination if he departs and the Tigers already hold two first-round draft selections, which will fall between picks 14-17.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/carlton-eyes-tom-rockliff-who-is-yet-to-sign-new-contract-with-brisbane-lions/news-story/9e3e03fa4d4d0dceaf6ff514b392a5b5
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Richmond is Schache’s most likely destination if he departs and the Tigers already hold two first-round draft selections, which will fall between picks 14-17.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/carlton-eyes-tom-rockliff-who-is-yet-to-sign-new-contract-with-brisbane-lions/news-story/9e3e03fa4d4d0dceaf6ff514b392a5b5
One will be pick 18
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Richmond is Schache’s most likely destination if he departs and the Tigers already hold two first-round draft selections, which will fall between picks 14-17.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/carlton-eyes-tom-rockliff-who-is-yet-to-sign-new-contract-with-brisbane-lions/news-story/9e3e03fa4d4d0dceaf6ff514b392a5b5
One will be pick 18
:cheers
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I'd give both our picks but word is it may only take one or one and a player.
We need a tall forward pretty obvious. Our stocks won't cut it. While we've had success this year with just jack, going forward nank is gonna need help with a second forward rotating
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I didn't read one "Alleged" in any of these accusations about his private life. And I have seen any evidence to support alleged accusations.
Suggest you read yesterday's HUN ::) ::)
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Richmond is Schache’s most likely destination if he departs and the Tigers already hold two first-round draft selections, which will fall between picks 14-17.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/carlton-eyes-tom-rockliff-who-is-yet-to-sign-new-contract-with-brisbane-lions/news-story/9e3e03fa4d4d0dceaf6ff514b392a5b5
One will be pick 18
Pick 17 Actually
GWS were stripped 1000 points due to the whitfield matter so their 1st round pick drops to the later rounds.
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Richmond is Schache’s most likely destination if he departs and the Tigers already hold two first-round draft selections, which will fall between picks 14-17.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/carlton-eyes-tom-rockliff-who-is-yet-to-sign-new-contract-with-brisbane-lions/news-story/9e3e03fa4d4d0dceaf6ff514b392a5b5
One will be pick 18
No 1st rd pick for GWS this year after Whitfield case so GF winner gets pick 17
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I'd give both our picks but word is it may only take one or one and a player.
We need a tall forward pretty obvious. Our stocks won't cut it. While we've had success this year with just jack, going forward nank is gonna need help with a second forward rotating
2? please. He has done sfa.
1 is enough and if they want a player they can have conca
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Richmond is Schache’s most likely destination if he departs and the Tigers already hold two first-round draft selections, which will fall between picks 14-17.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/carlton-eyes-tom-rockliff-who-is-yet-to-sign-new-contract-with-brisbane-lions/news-story/9e3e03fa4d4d0dceaf6ff514b392a5b5
One will be pick 18
Pick 17
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I think youll all find its pick 17 actually
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I heard it was pick 17.
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Can anyone confirm it is pick 17?
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Just want it clarified if its pick 17?
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Ive heard its pick 17
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Hearing rumours it'll be 18 after a 1st round compensation pick is given :shh
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Hearing rumours it'll be 18 after a 1st round compensation pick is given :shh
Kelly?
(Aware the media starting running with "he's staying" this week)
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Hearing rumours it'll be 18 after a 1st round compensation pick is given :shh
Kelly?
(Aware the media starting running with "he's staying" this week)
They're talking it up as if it is a lay down misère. Saying it's all done bar a few loose ends. Not sure why they'd be saying this if it's wrong.
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Fremantle, Richmond in the mix for out-of-contract Geelong forward Daniel Menzel
West Australian
Sunday, 17 September 2017 1:06PM
Both the Dockers and Richmond have shown interest in the out-of-contract Cat, according to Channel Seven’s chief AFL reporter Mark Stevens.
Stevens said the Cats had only offered the 26-year-old, who has kicked 40 goals in 20 appearances this season, a one-year deal.
The deal is reportedly significantly less than what he currently earns.
“Freo and the Tigers I believe are interested there,” Stevens told Gameday.
“He’s only got a one-year deal on the table (from Geelong), and he was fantastic on Friday night.
“You’d think he could be headed elsewhere.”
https://thewest.com.au/sport/fremantle-dockers/fremantle-richmond-in-the-mix-for-out-of-contract-geelong-forward-daniel-menzel-ng-b88601926z
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Yes let's pass on Stringer and grab Menzel instead.... :clapping
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Yes let's pass on Stringer and grab Menzel instead.... :clapping
Problem with getting Stringer is the $$$ involved. Do we have the cap space?
They say he is on $500k for next season
Menzel alot cheaper than that, not that I want Menzel ;D
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Yes let's pass on Stringer and grab Menzel instead.... :clapping
Lets pass on both.
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We have small forwards coming out of the wazoo, so why would we want another one.
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We have small forwards coming out of the wazoo, so why would we want another one.
Menzel is 190cm and 90kg. He is NOT a small forward.
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We have small forwards coming out of the wazoo, so why would we want another one.
Menzel is 190cm and 90kg. He is NOT a small forward.
He plays like a small forward.
It's a massive no imo.
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...his knee is also like Griffiths' head - one knock away from being finished for good...and if people are worried about Stringer's lack of defensive accountablity - well Menzel's even worse and only about half as talented...
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I'm hearing Mav Weller wants out of the Saints and the saint arn't at pains to keep him.
Could we fit him in anywhere?
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...his knee is also like Griffiths' head - one knock away from being finished for good...and if people are worried about Stringer's lack of defensive accountablity - well Menzel's even worse and only about half as talented...
Not keen on Menzel unless we'd swap out steak knives. I'd rather hold onto Menadue/Lennon types over Menzel personally.
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We have small forwards coming out of the wazoo, so why would we want another one.
Menzel is 190cm and 90kg. He is NOT a small forward.
wow - i never wouldve picked that - plays like a goal sneak
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Bontempelli is 192cm and 94kg but plays midfield. Height alone doesn't define how you play
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I have seen both Menzel and Bont take strong pack marks using their height. It's just that they don't do it regularly. :shh
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Josh Kelly has re-signed with GWS.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/18/star-giant-makes-call-on-future/
Norf miss out again :snidegrin.
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Josh Kelly has re-signed with GWS.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/18/star-giant-makes-call-on-future/
Norf miss out again :snidegrin.
More stability for them going into this week. Ugh....
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/sydney-swans-insist-kurt-tippett-aliir-aliir-are-unlikely-to-be-traded-20170917-gyjenf.html
A relief re: Tippet....Aliir would be handy though...:shh
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Bontempelli is 192cm and 94kg but plays midfield. Height alone doesn't define how you play
I know that lol Pendles is a midfielder but is also 192cm, Macca plays as a running player but is about 194cm however im not surprised by that bc they showcase that height/flexibility to play tall at various times - Menzel, however plays very much like a small fwd just very surprised hes that tall.
Just an observation :thumbsup
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I have seen both Menzel and Bont take strong pack marks using their height. It's just that they don't do it regularly. :shh
Bont does regularly, Menzel cant say I recall him ever doing it. But there you go
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I know this is probably going to upset some people (im not happy), but i have it on good authority that in the past few weeks officials from the club have spoken to Lachlan Hansen about an onfield role in 2018.
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Will replace Batchelor in the VFL....
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Will replace maric... Hampson :pray.... Elton
Hansen would be alright on minimum.
:shh
Had a few good games vs Richmond.
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Will replace maric... Hampson :pray.... Elton
Hansen would be alright on minimum.
:shh
Had a few good games vs Richmond.
We have been down this path before, nearly always after a season of something that resembles a success, and has rarely worked. Pass.
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What we did after our last prelim:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_AFL_draft
Cherry stuffing ripe..... :clapping
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Will replace Batchelor in the VFL....
I'd give Batch another couple of years. Has had a solid year and is a top bloke. :thumbsup
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I have seen both Menzel and Bont take strong pack marks using their height. It's just that they don't do it regularly. :shh
My point was that it doesn't define their playing style. They're no more capable than Danger whose 6ft 2
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Will replace Batchelor in the VFL....
I'd give Batch another couple of years. Has had a solid year and is a top bloke. :thumbsup
Agree. Seems like we will be making a few list changes this year, and if the draft is shallow, I reckon we don't need to cut deep enough to move Batch on.
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What we did after our last prelim:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_AFL_draft
Cherry stuffing ripe..... :clapping
Ah yes. The great '01 draft. Good idea it was to trade out of that one....
Rodan was okay. Marty McGrath very memorable....
Chris Hyde was good fun.
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James Kelly would've been handy.
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FREMANTLE is open to trading youngster Harley Balic to a Victorian club after the midfielder requested a trade back to his home state.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-19/docker-balic-requests-trade-back-home-to-victoria
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Miles and pick 17 for Schache and a later pick?
Miles and our third pick for Schache?
What would get the deal done to swap the players?
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Miles and pick 17 for Schache and a later pick?
Miles and our third pick for Schache?
What would get the deal done to swap the players?
Probably the former. But as Miles is out of contract he probably wont go unless he wants to.
Id maybe consider trying to get in a second round pick and hppe Naish slides a bit (we dont have a second round pick).
So (ideal world) we trade one first rounder and Miles for Schache and a third round pick.
Sam Lloyd and a Third Rounder for a second round pick.
Thoughts?
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FREMANTLE is open to trading youngster Harley Balic to a Victorian club after the midfielder requested a trade back to his home state.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-19/docker-balic-requests-trade-back-home-to-victoria
Straight swap for Conca.....
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Anybody interested in delisted Jonothan Freeman from Brisbane?
About 197/92 and talented from what I saw. Bagged 40-odd goals in the NEAFL and still about 22-23 years old...
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Prefer Close from Brisbane....
Hearing GC may put Hall on the table....IIRC he killed it in 2015 and led the Brownlow count early last year befire fading away....
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Miles and pick 17 for Schache and a later pick?
Miles and our third pick for Schache?
What would get the deal done to swap the players?
Probably the former. But as Miles is out of contract he probably wont go unless he wants to.
Id maybe consider trying to get in a second round pick and hppe Naish slides a bit (we dont have a second round pick).
So (ideal world) we trade one first rounder and Miles for Schache and a third round pick.
Sam Lloyd and a Third Rounder for a second round pick.
Thoughts?
not sure. theres an argument Brisbane will require alot for the swap as a pick 2 but then again hes shown stiff all and had issues it seems.
also one could argue Miles is worth alot and would gun it up in a permanent mid role. but he cant seem to get a game.
ao maybe its even a straight swap and we give them some sugar on top, lkke our 17 for their early 20s pick. dunno.
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Find this very hard to believe given where North's list is at and the fact their big jumpin' jew is pretty much cooked to a kosher crisp, but just read on the draft & trades board over at BF thst they'll be putting Preuss on the table....would definitely go after him if it was the case....
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Find this very hard to believe given where North's list is at and the fact their big jumpin' jew is pretty much cooked to a kosher crisp, but just read on the draft & trades board over at BF thst they'll be putting Preuss on the table....would definitely go after him if it was the case....
Correct. Hampson surely done after this year - we desperately need a backup Ruckman. However, most people don't come across to be a backup.
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Gazump the Dees and go hard at Lever... :shh
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Not going after Schache or Stringer - using both our two picks...one probably on Naish (massive overs IMO)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/26/tigers-football-boss-provides-schache-stringer-update/
Translation: We don't have the money to go after anyone decent this year, especially as we're targeting Lynch next year.... :shh
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Not going after Schache or Stringer - using both our two picks...one probably on Naish (massive overs IMO)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/26/tigers-football-boss-provides-schache-stringer-update/
Translation: We don't have the money to go after anyone decent this year, especially as we're targeting Lynch next year.... :shh
Didn't that article suggest we are interested in Stringer but no longer intersted in Schache?
Maybe we should trade into a first rounder for next year to try and secure an extra pick for Lynch :shh
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Didn't that article suggest we are interested in Stringer but no longer intersted in Schache?
Did you miss this bit?:
Richardson also confirmed reports this morning that the Tigers had shown interest in out of favour Bulldog Jake Stringer.
“We spoke to his [Stringer’s] management,” he said.
“You’re always looking at who’s available and whether or not they’re going to be the right option and fill a need on your list. We probably felt in the end that Jake’s not quite filling a specific need for us, albeit he is a very good player.
“We think with the likes of [Trent] Cotchin and Dusty [Dustin Martin] being able to play that midfield-forward role, and with a couple other young players coming through, we have that covered reasonably well
I disagree with that assesment btw.....can have never too many strong-bodied mid-forwards....and bar Martin, he's a considerable upgrade on what we do have, as a forward at least...
Maybe we should trade into a first rounder for next year to try and secure an extra pick for Lynch :shh
Lynch will be a restricted free agent - we'll only need to give up something if GC decide to match our offer and force a trade and even then, if he's determined to get to us, we'll have the upper hand. :shh
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Didn't that article suggest we are interested in Stringer but no longer intersted in Schache?
Nope.
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Go to the draft and get Naish, Balta and 2 project players at 50 & 52 and retain all others you want to retain.
Was always a fan of Lennon but he's a goner unless he signs for cheap on a 1 year deal.
Don't get rid of the players on the periphery like Miles, Short, Batchelor, Conca etc and keep them for depth as injuries will hit at some stage. Not adverse to trading 1-2 of these though to get back into round 2 or 3 of next years draft (2018)
Natural attrition will see the following go most likely
Lennon
Maric
Hunt
Morris
Elton
I think 5 list changes is enough for this year
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Naish is not worth a first rounder.
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Naish is not worth a first rounder.
I agree but qualify that with "at this stage if his development".
Take Dan Rioli. I thought he was a reach at 12 but could see that he could surpass many ahead of him with development. Naish's trajectory shows that he is improving quickly and passing guys that were well ahead of him 12 months ago.
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Go to the draft and get Naish, Balta and 2 project players at 50 & 52 and retain all others you want to retain.
Was always a fan of Lennon but he's a goner unless he signs for cheap on a 1 year deal.
Don't get rid of the players on the periphery like Miles, Short, Batchelor, Conca etc and keep them for depth as injuries will hit at some stage. Not adverse to trading 1-2 of these though to get back into round 2 or 3 of next years draft (2018)
Natural attrition will see the following go most likely
Lennon
Maric
Hunt
Morris
Elton
I think 5 list changes is enough for this year
Yazz also frees up a spot
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Naish is not worth a first rounder.
I agree but qualify that with "at this stage if his development".
Take Dan Rioli. I thought he was a reach at 12 but could see that he could surpass many ahead of him with development. Naish's trajectory shows that he is improving quickly and passing guys that were well ahead of him 12 months ago.
Not even close to Rioli's levl of talent. No desperate need for his type anyway.
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Rumour now that GWS might be looking to trade Cameron.....wonder if we'd rethink our strategy then? :shh
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Trade period preview: Who will your club target and shop around?
afl.com.au
2 October 2017
RICHMOND
Indicative draft picks: 15, 17, 50, 53, 72
Delisted: TBC
Retired: Ivan Maric and Chris Yarran
Unsigned free agents: None
What they said:
"I think our focus this year will be predominantly to retain. We have two first-round picks, and we have an opportunity, hopefully, with a father-son prospect in Patrick Naish. There are a few balls in the air there in terms of what we do, but I'd imagine at this point we are pretty comfortable retaining our picks in this year's draft." – talent manager Dan Richardson.
Whispers:
A big player in last year's trade period, the 2017 premier has been conspicuously quiet so far this year. As well as their small forward line functioned this year, the Tigers will be keen to find aerial support for Jack Riewoldt.
They were linked with Sydney free agent Sam Reid before he re-signed, with industry sources saying the Tigers' lengthy and costly efforts to re-sign Dustin Martin effectively ruined any chance they had of snaring Reid.
Richmond talent manager Dan Richardson has said the club is unlikely to pursue contracted Brisbane Lion Josh Schache, preferring to hang on to its two first-round picks in this year's draft, No.15 and No.17.
This also suggests the Tigers are unlikely to pursue other contracted forwards such as Swan Kurt Tippett and Demon Jack Watts. Could they save their pennies to go all out for Suns co-captain Tom Lynch when he becomes a free agent next year?
Richmond's outstanding season has meant solid performers such as out-of-contract pair Anthony Miles, and Jake Batchelor, and Sam Lloyd, contracted for 2018, have been starved of senior opportunities, but their outstanding VFL form won't have gone unnoticed by opposition clubs.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-01/trade-period-preview-whos-your-club-chasing
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Naish is not worth a first rounder.
Maybe not but other clubs will force a bid on him.
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Naish is not worth a first rounder.
Maybe not but other clubs will force a bid on him.
So call the bluff and let them have him.
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Where is Dio? Few posters must be having a massive party :lol
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Matt Taberna Freo looking at options interest from Vic clubs I think would be good get.
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Matt Taberna Freo looking at options interest from Vic clubs I think would be good get.
maybe a straight swap for conca?
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Matt Taberna Freo looking at options interest from Vic clubs I think would be good get.
maybe a straight swap for conca?
That would be a dream
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-02/earlypick-tiger-keen-to-stay-on-at-punt-road (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-02/earlypick-tiger-keen-to-stay-on-at-punt-road)
Change of tune from Lennon... Do people want to keep or discard?
If he keeps working hard, drops a few more kegs and improves his running capacity, I feel he still has something to offer - or someone may come along and give us a draft pick and we'll get rid of him. Might be in trouble if Moore keeps improving
Early-pick Tiger keen to stay on at Punt Road
OUT-OF-CONTRACT Richmond forward Ben Lennon won't ask to move to another club, his manager Peter Lenton says.
Lennon was drafted at No. 12 in 2013 but has lined up in just five matches over the past two seasons.
The 22-year-old has suffered his fair share of injuries, including hamstring, concussion and shoulder issues.
Lenton told NAB AFL Trade Radio on Monday Lennon was yet to be informed of his future, with the Tigers' season only having ended with last Saturday's premiership against Adelaide.
Trade period preview: Who will your club target?
"Given that the Tigers played on the weekend and the players haven't yet gone through their exit meetings with the club, Ben still sits in that position where he's uncontracted but he's not putting his hand up in any way, shape or form to leave Richmond," Lenton said.
"He's actually happy there.
"When you look at in the way the season's panned out for the Tigers, they had great consistency with players, they didn't have injuries. It could've been a whole lot different had there been one, two or three that might have found themselves in a spot of bother with injury or form, and all of a sudden Ben gets his opportunity.
"As it's worked out this year, it just hasn't panned in the right way for him, so he's clearly been frustrated given that he's so proficient at VFL level. He clearly wants the opportunity.
"With this one, we'll work out where to from here once he does have that exit interview and we find out a bit more from the footy club."
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Matt Taberna Freo looking at options interest from Vic clubs I think would be good get.
maybe a straight swap for conca?
Where do we sign? Deal!
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With all this talk of connection and love for each other how are we supposed to get rid of anyone in trade? No one wants to leave now.
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Matt Taberna Freo looking at options interest from Vic clubs I think would be good get.
maybe a straight swap for conca?
Where do we sign? Deal!
Taberner's a dud. No thanks.
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Taberner no better than Elton.
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22yo with lots of potential.
Offer him 1 year.
:thumbsup
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Naish played OK first half on Saturday and I have not seen a report of the match (and didn't watch the 2nd half). Any more info?
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Matt Taberna Freo looking at options interest from Vic clubs I think would be good get.
maybe a straight swap for conca?
Where do we sign? Deal!
Tabernacle is worse than Angus Graham. Seriously crap player stay well clear
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Taberner :lol
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Got to pass on menzel, he is spooked by his knee injuries, wont engage 100% this is why Chris Scott wants to off load.
Stear clear.
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Tabener looks like a spud to me. Would rather play Cal Moore.
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Tabener looks like a spud to me. Would rather play Cal Moore.
This. :clapping
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Richmond should ask about Hawthorns desire to keep Tim O'Brien. He is the only key forward I would want outside of Lynch. Otherwise
just go to the draft and get kids.
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Leaver gone. Rockcliff gone. Trade period in full swing.
Given what's on offer and where we are at; anyone in particular we should be going after?
Who would be your dream trade INto the club?
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Doesn't sound like there is much on offer. Would be great to pull another cheeky one like Nankervis.
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I suspect Taberner plays for a team that doesn't really know how to use him. I have seen him quite a few times at WAFL level, and he does show a bit.
The issue really is his mobility. Can't see how he would fit into our forward line. Not mobile enough IMO to consistently create a contest, and never seen any indication he can pinch hit in the ruck.
It is a shame, because in a team looking for a Hawkins type full forward, Taberner could be a reasonable player.
But I don't think that is us.
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Assuming we plan to keep using the small forward line with one tall forward who is also mobile then essentially alot of the available players would have a cross through their name. Therefore it's a case of developing what we have or drafting players with those sorts of attributes so that they can fit into the current structures, they don't have to be stars as this season has proven.
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We have another tall who will play a lot next year - Cal Moore. Super fast, great leap and contested mark and kicking has improved out of sight. Will be a great foils for Jack. A little more work on his defensive game and we have a 193 22yo key forward.
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-09-16/vfl-pf-moore-kicks-four
Looks the goods.
:cheers
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I see moore as a 3rd tall, not someone who can take over from jack. but if he puts on weight and crash packs then thats all we need !
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We may just go to the draft this year and save our pennies for the 2018 trade period with Tom Lynch already considering to walk out on the Suns in twelve months time if they have another poor season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-04/if-suns-are-getting-smashed-lynch-could-leave
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We may just go to the draft this year and save our pennies for the 2018 trade period with Tom Lynch already considering to walk out on the Suns in twelve months time if they have another poor season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-04/if-suns-are-getting-smashed-lynch-could-leave
I know Dio has disapearred but...
.... Can you imagine?
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Hope dio is still alive :shh
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Does anyone think we'd join the race for Stringer?? In football terms hes a great fit. Character, not so much (allegedly).
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Does anyone think we'd join the race for Stringer?? In football terms hes a great fit. Character, not so much (allegedly).
Nope
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Does anyone think we'd join the race for Stringer?? In football terms hes a great fit. Character, not so much (allegedly).
Nope
Ch7 reporting it's likely to be Essendon
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Have it on good authority that Lynch is keen to come to us.
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Did I hear Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight correctly?
He said, "Gaining the services of Stringer, Devon Smith and Jack Watts would make Essendon certainly a premiership favourite in 2018" :huh3 :rollin.
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Did I hear Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight correctly?
He said, "Gaining the services of Stringer, Devon Smith and Jack Watts would make Essendon certainly a premiership favourite in 2018" :huh3 :rollin.
Adding an A grader and two solid B graders puts Brisbane in a premiership window. Whats his point?
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Jack Watts, Jake Stringer & the Essendon Football Club! Oh please let it happen! :santa :lol :pray
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I have changed my opinion on our need to hunt for an experienced key forward. I felt we desperately needed to recruit another KPF this off season but now I'd rather look to the draft.
Given our success this year with only one KPF up front, and the likes of Bolton and Stengle coming through the ranks, I cannot see us playing two talls in attack next season. Just doesn't look to be room.
The dilemma we have is that in Riewoldt we have one of the best KPFs in the game, who suits our gameplan perfectly and who we need cover for. But realistically, this cover is only for if he gets injured or his form really falls away. To get a reasonable cover for Jack talent wise we are going to have to pay over the odds, and are we going to be able to find someone who will be happy biding their time at VFL level if required?
And we managed reasonably well when Jack missed a few games with that eye injury.
So I am kind of thinking that we need to try and draft a couple of taller KPF prospects who are athletic enough to reach most contests in the forward line rather than being immediate impact players. The sort that might take a little time to develop.
I am not sure who is coming through who might fit that bill, just saying....
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Hope dio is still alive :shh
*hic*....barely... :gotigers
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We may just go to the draft this year and save our pennies for the 2018 trade period with Tom Lynch already considering to walk out on the Suns in twelve months time if they have another poor season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-04/if-suns-are-getting-smashed-lynch-could-leave
There is no way we can afford Lynch this year or next
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Anyone keen on Adam Saad?
I rate him but is he better than what we have?
Could Short be just as good?
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Anyone keen on Adam Saad?
I rate him but is he better than what we have?
Could Short be just as good?
very overrated imo
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We may just go to the draft this year and save our pennies for the 2018 trade period with Tom Lynch already considering to walk out on the Suns in twelve months time if they have another poor season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-04/if-suns-are-getting-smashed-lynch-could-leave
There is no way we can afford Lynch this year or next
Why not? Maric, Hunt, Morris, Elton plus one or two of Lennon and Lloyd would free up enough space imo
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We may just go to the draft this year and save our pennies for the 2018 trade period with Tom Lynch already considering to walk out on the Suns in twelve months time if they have another poor season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-04/if-suns-are-getting-smashed-lynch-could-leave
There is no way we can afford Lynch this year or next
Why not? Maric, Hunt, Morris, Elton plus one or two of Lennon and Lloyd would free up enough space imo
id also add that Grigg, Edwards and Houli are all turning 30 next year and 31 in the year we'd look at drafting Lynch to play.
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A lot of murmurs about he's leaving end of next year. Maybe Dion got in his ear? :shh
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I have changed my opinion on our need to hunt for an experienced key forward. I felt we desperately needed to recruit another KPF this off season but now I'd rather look to the draft.
Given our success this year with only one KPF up front, and the likes of Bolton and Stengle coming through the ranks, I cannot see us playing two talls in attack next season. Just doesn't look to be room.
The dilemma we have is that in Riewoldt we have one of the best KPFs in the game, who suits our gameplan perfectly and who we need cover for. But realistically, this cover is only for if he gets injured or his form really falls away. To get a reasonable cover for Jack talent wise we are going to have to pay over the odds, and are we going to be able to find someone who will be happy biding their time at VFL level if required?
And we managed reasonably well when Jack missed a few games with that eye injury.
So I am kind of thinking that we need to try and draft a couple of taller KPF prospects who are athletic enough to reach most contests in the forward line rather than being immediate impact players. The sort that might take a little time to develop.
I am not sure who is coming through who might fit that bill, just saying....
I was really impressed by Moore in the VFL. His final series was very good. He is a good contested mark and is very quick on the ground. Hopefully he could provide a good option in the near future.
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A lot of murmurs about he's leaving end of next year. Maybe Dion got in his ear? :shh
If he is leaving next year, it won't be to us.
No way we can outbid the suns next year.
Needs to happen this year, if ever.
Cannot see it happening. Would require a huge pay cut on Lynch's part. Every chance he is looking at Dusty type money.
Probably be a premiership player, this time next year, if he did though.
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A lot of murmurs about he's leaving end of next year. Maybe Dion got in his ear? :shh
If he is leaving next year, it won't be to us.
No way we can outbid the suns next year.
Needs to happen this year, if ever.
Cannot see it happening. Would require a huge pay cut on Lynch's part. Every chance he is looking at Dusty type money.
Probably be a premiership player, this time next year, if he did though.
Probably not, but then we probably weren't going to win the flag, even 4 weeks ago.
I think there's every chance we can lure him down to us if we wants to come back to Melbourne (assuming he's a Victorian?)
Weren't we into Prestia 18 months before he was officially a Tiger?
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A lot of murmurs about he's leaving end of next year. Maybe Dion got in his ear? :shh
If he is leaving next year, it won't be to us.
No way we can outbid the suns next year.
Needs to happen this year, if ever.
Cannot see it happening. Would require a huge pay cut on Lynch's part. Every chance he is looking at Dusty type money.
Probably be a premiership player, this time next year, if he did though.
I agree with this. The AFL will jump in and offer whatever it takes financially for him to stay on next off season when the RFA offers start coming. If its going to happen we need to shock the footy world(again) and do it now.
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A lot of murmurs about he's leaving end of next year. Maybe Dion got in his ear? :shh
If he is leaving next year, it won't be to us.
No way we can outbid the suns next year.
Needs to happen this year, if ever.
Cannot see it happening. Would require a huge pay cut on Lynch's part. Every chance he is looking at Dusty type money.
Probably be a premiership player, this time next year, if he did though.
Probably not, but then we probably weren't going to win the flag, even 4 weeks ago.
I think there's every chance we can lure him down to us if we wants to come back to Melbourne (assuming he's a Victorian?)
Weren't we into Prestia 18 months before he was officially a Tiger?
100%. Prestia was coming out of contract though.
Lynch will be a restricted free agent next year. Suns get the opportunity to match what ever offer we put forth. You would imagine they could easily trump us. A number of clubs could, no doubt.
Our window is this year. We have a lot going for us.
Premiership team (still feels weird), Prestia & Caddy. Huge crowds. Two first round picks.
It's why i'm considering the idea of it at all. Requires a massive buy in on his part. We shall see.
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Apparently, the Suns will offer Tom Lynch $8 over 5 years to stay up there.
Trade Radio is saying Port's Jackson Trengove will move to the Bulldogs as a free agent on a 4-year deal.
@cleary_mitch: Jackson Trengove spotted at the Bulldogs today for his first round of photoshoots. Expect that to happen officially tomorrow
Cornes: We expect Jarman Impey to nominate Hawthorn as his preferred club of choice.
Fox Sports reporting that Devon Smith has nominated Essendon as his club of choice.
@barrettdamian: The Saints have tabled a five-year deal for Adam Tomlinson for him to leave [the Giants].
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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Lynch might be here next year.... :shh
Trengove would've been useful....
Been saying we should be into Tomlinson for two years ...was arguably GWS' best in the prelim. - genuine three line player who will only get better.... :shh
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Trengove would've been useful....
The PA one to clarify
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Yes Chucky, the same one mentioned in the post directly above mine which I was commenting on....
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Just didn't want any misunderstandings of your good judge of footy character (Lambert aside)
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Giants started to fall apart a bit now, they could end up a basket case the way they are going.
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Just didn't want any misunderstandings of your good judge of footy character (Lambert aside)
Speaking of Lamblett Jr...where's big note?
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Lynch might be here next year.... :shh
Trengove would've been useful....
Been saying we should be into Tomlinson for two years ...was arguably GWS' best in the prelim. - genuine three line player who will only get better.... :shh
You've been bullish on Lynch for a while Dio. Would love to know what you know ;)
I'd have liked Trengove (the PA one Chucky, just to clarify). I doubt we'll make any FA signings this year, however.
Would love Tomlinson, he's been on my radar for quite some time. My understanding is we won't be prying him anytime soon.
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Just didn't want any misunderstandings of your good judge of footy character (Lambert aside)
Speaking of Lamblett Jr...where's big note?
Still coming to terms with Rioli's four goals
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I can't believe we're not looking at one of Saad (Gold Coast) or Williams (GWS)
Both pacy half back flankers with kicks that look like there going to be traded for SFA....
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Williams from GWS? No thanks..
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Do we actually have any money or space to accommodate any players coming in??
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Depends if we have our sights set on someone else next year :shh
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Do we actually have any money or space to accommodate any players coming in??
Maybe not this year. Take kids this year I reckon. Naish and Balta + a few others.
Retirement and delistings the next. Think of the money tied up in - Conca, Hampson, plus possibly one or more of Grigg, Houli, Edwards (the latter 3 turning 30 in 2018 and 31 in 2019).
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Would consider giving Sam Collins delisted by Freo a chance as an easy pick-up.
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Collins was a mature age recruit right from freo?.Saad I would look at ,but problem is Short waiting off half back.
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Again - Naish is not worth a frst rounder....ffs.... >:(
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Again - Naish is not worth a frst rounder....ffs.... >:(
would replace Houli, Grigg or Edwards in 12-24 months when the first one of those retire.
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David Barrot @Barrot01
Quick question would Tigers look at Watts as that hybrid forward ruck? Or Gunstan in frame?
Ricky Nixon @rickynixontoot
They were going down that track prior to finals but now focus on developing within with great talent in VFL & draft
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot/status/916489101968269312
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What's this Baltic like? Could we look at him as a swap with Conca and Miles
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Have heard we're not interested in Balic
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What's this Baltic like? Could we look at him as a swap with Conca and Miles
Balta?
Balta is a tall utility who traditionally killed it as a key back but during this year went very well through the middle and also played well as a key tall. 194cm.
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Sorry Dooks Balic I meant from freo
Can never have enough mids especially if we lose Miles to the Hawks which looks the way.
I have no idea what he is like though, just that he wants to come home.
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What's this Baltic like? Could we look at him as a swap with Conca and Miles
Balta?
Balta is a tall utility who traditionally killed it as a key back but during this year went very well through the middle and also played well as a key tall. 194cm.
At the risk of taking this thread even more off tangent.
I noted there was a single post that Balta had played ruck in a recent game and gave Sam Hayes a flogging.
Says a lot about both players if true.
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From all reports, seems this will be a very quite period for us, not looking to trade in or out intentionally, depends on players and potential offers from other clubs.
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(http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/rabbit_in_a_hat.png)
:shh
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(http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/rabbit_in_a_hat.png)
:shh
Do tell
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No, I might get rounded up by the mob and hanged....there's a word for that... :shh
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clues?
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No, I might get rounded up by the mob and hanged....there's a word for that... :shh
PM's?
C'mon brother, pray tell!
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Sticking point is the club involved want next year's first as part of the deal..... :shh
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Tell us ullleeehhh
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If we the club pulls it off it will be a wicked sensation.... :shh
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....and everyone will say we just got lucky..... :shh :shh
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You can't do this...what a tease you are. Don't tell me it's Ablett
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No, I might get rounded up by the mob and hanged....there's a word for that... :shh
whats your sauce?
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Fyfe :shh
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....and everyone will say we just got lucky..... :shh :shh
No thanks, they can keep Vickery
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Sticking point is the club involved want next year's first as part of the deal..... :shh
Has to be Lynch.
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Sticking point is the club involved want next year's first as part of the deal..... :shh
Has to be Lynch.
He did say there was a word for it.
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Sticking point is the club involved want next year's first as part of the deal..... :shh
Has to be Lynch.
He did say there was a word for it.
Haha, didnt read it properly.
The wait begins...
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If we the club pulls it off it will be a wicked sensation.... :shh
Is it Schache ??
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/brisbane-lions-agree-trade-deal-for-homesick-josh-schache-20171008-gywhj9.html
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Adelaide, Port & Gold Coast chasing Motlop.
Freo interested in bidding for Hogan and he met with Fyfe even though he apparently has told Melbourne he doesn't want to be traded.
Stringer will decide this week which club he wants to move to. Essendon favourites ahead of Geelong.
Jack Watts was also yet to communicate a decision on his future to interested clubs over the weekend. Port keen.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-08/trade-wrap-dew-faces-tough-sell-to-motlop
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If we the club pulls it off it will be a wicked sensation.... :shh
Is it Schache ??
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/brisbane-lions-agree-trade-deal-for-homesick-josh-schache-20171008-gywhj9.html
Media reports say we met with Schache around two weeks ago and we lost interest.
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He wouldn't nominate unless he had a destination set would he?
I keep hearing we're keen, despite what weve said publicly.
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Lynch. He wants to come to us and has told the Suns to trade now or he'll walk next year.
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Lynch. He wants to come to us and has told the Suns to trade now or he'll walk next year.
Lol.
Imagine the salt from others if that's true! It would be amazing!
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Should be able to afford Lynch.
But don't think he'll leave, dew will be convincing him.
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Should be able to afford Lynch.
But don't think he'll leave, dew will be convincing him.
Im sure the Suns pulled the trigger on naming Dew to give some sense of stability going into trade period. Having said that, if Lynch states he wants to leave, Dew might be inclined to show hin the door. Coaches dont want players around that arnt 100% sure they want to be there; especially Captains.
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https://www.titusoreily.com/afl/highly-unhelpful-guide-afl-trade-period
:cheers
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Lynch. He wants to come to us and has told the Suns to trade now or he'll walk next year.
Lol.
Imagine the salt from others if that's true! It would be amazing!
As much as I'd love for this for happen, I don't think I could handle it this year. Is it possible to have too good a year? :shh
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I wonder if we will change our mind on Schache during the trade period??
The more I think about him the more I wouldn't mind picking him up
Seems like the club is gun shy about him for some reason.....
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I think the reasons pretty clear.
We had been putting work into getting him going back at least a year.
Mid-year he had taken leave to come home and I think our people had considered it was just about over the line for him to request a trade to Richmond at the end of the year.
Suddenly he changes his mind and decides to ink a new contract with Brisbane for two more years.
Our response to that would have been WTF.
At the very least it makes Brisbane's hand a lot stronger in negotiations.
Now it comes out that the Lions and he are willing for a trade. WTF again.
We are in the position of "once bitten, twice shy".
Particularly the actions of his manager.
Would you trust the player, and more particularly his manager, given the process?
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I was thinking along the lines of his mental state of mind the main stumbling block?
I guess it's all connected
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sounds like he doesnt know what he wants. No wonder the club pulled the pin straight after the meeting with him
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No, I might get rounded up by the mob and hanged....there's a word for that... :shh
Motlopped? Stringered? Vickeried? Schachied?
Lynched
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Not saying I'd do it but throwing this out there as something similar was mentioned on SEN just now:
Richmond: picks 15 & 17 ---> picks 10 & 27
Melbourne: picks 10 & 27 ---> Jake Lever
Adelaide: Jake Lever ---> picks 15 & 17.
We get a top 10 pick + no club in the top 9 will bid for Naish according to Brett Anderson so we pick up Patrick at 27.
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Rubbish deal. :thumbsdown
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Yep dunno if that is the way i would want to get into the second round
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Not saying I'd do it but throwing this out there as something similar was mentioned on SEN just now:
Richmond: picks 15 & 17 ---> picks 10 & 27
Melbourne: picks 10 & 27 ---> Jake Lever
Adelaide: Jake Lever ---> picks 15 & 17.
We get a top 10 pick + no club in the top 9 will bid for Naish according to Brett Anderson so we pick up Patrick at 27.
Well we get a pick 5 picks higher and we will probably have to use 17 on Naish (some club will force us too) anyway so it certainly is something to think about.
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Bulldogs want pick 11 for Stringer but apparently this is what Essendon wants do according to Matty Lloyd:
Essendon: picks 11 & 28 ----> Stringer, Devon Smith, Saad.
Gold Coast: Saad & pick 19 ----> pick 11
GWS: Devon Smith ------> pick 28
Bulldogs: Stringer ------------> pick 19
Source: Trade Radio twitter.
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No wonder no one wants to deal with Essendon :lol
Does trade week usually start this "early" in the year or is it just because we've hung around a lot longer than usual :lol
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The info coming out of the club is that we will not match any first round pick if there is a bit for Naish.
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It only seems early because our season hasn't gone beyond early September for 35 years ;D.
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Ben Lennon & tigers first pick for Schache sound fair enough?
Foxsports' @maxlaughton - Yeah, that would be fair.
Sam Lloyd looking like leaving any suitors?
@maxlaughton - Not that I've seen
Hey max, any Richmond news?
@maxlaughton - No, sorry
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/2017-afl-trade-period-all-the-news-from-every-player-and-every-club/news-story/6bdbf7d7b2a1fed8f83f40a13d3ca8e8
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Bulldogs want pick 11 for Stringer but apparently this is what Essendon wants do according to Matty Lloyd:
Essendon: picks 11 & 28 ----> Stringer, Devon Smith, Saad.
Gold Coast: Saad & pick 19 ----> pick 11
GWS: Devon Smith ------> pick 28
Bulldogs: Stringer ------------> pick 19
Source: Trade Radio twitter.
#LOLPinCushions.
The Count is a tool
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The info coming out of the club is that we will not match any first round pick if there is a bit for Naish.
Good,
I dont mind naish but would rather use both our first rounders on talls.
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It only seems early because our season hasn't gone beyond early September for 35 years ;D.
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Ben Lennon & tigers first pick for Schache sound fair enough?
Foxsports' @maxlaughton - Yeah, that would be fair.
Sam Lloyd looking like leaving any suitors?
@maxlaughton - Not that I've seen
Hey max, any Richmond news?
@maxlaughton - No, sorry
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/2017-afl-trade-period-all-the-news-from-every-player-and-every-club/news-story/6bdbf7d7b2a1fed8f83f40a13d3ca8e8
Schache's worth has dropped enormously - would not do that
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Is there any way we could get Cameron??
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It only seems early because our season hasn't gone beyond early September for 35 years ;D.
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Ben Lennon & tigers first pick for Schache sound fair enough?
Foxsports' @maxlaughton - Yeah, that would be fair.
Sam Lloyd looking like leaving any suitors?
@maxlaughton - Not that I've seen
Hey max, any Richmond news?
@maxlaughton - No, sorry
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/2017-afl-trade-period-all-the-news-from-every-player-and-every-club/news-story/6bdbf7d7b2a1fed8f83f40a13d3ca8e8
Schache's worth has dropped enormously - would not do that
We're not going after Schache......much bigger fish to fry.... :shh
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Miles for schache anyone?
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It only seems early because our season hasn't gone beyond early September for 35 years ;D.
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Ben Lennon & tigers first pick for Schache sound fair enough?
Foxsports' @maxlaughton - Yeah, that would be fair.
Sam Lloyd looking like leaving any suitors?
@maxlaughton - Not that I've seen
Hey max, any Richmond news?
@maxlaughton - No, sorry
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/2017-afl-trade-period-all-the-news-from-every-player-and-every-club/news-story/6bdbf7d7b2a1fed8f83f40a13d3ca8e8
Schache's worth has dropped enormously - would not do that
We're not going after Schache......much bigger fish to fry.... :shh
TL?
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It only seems early because our season hasn't gone beyond early September for 35 years ;D .
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Ben Lennon & tigers first pick for Schache sound fair enough?
Foxsports' @maxlaughton - Yeah, that would be fair.
Sam Lloyd looking like leaving any suitors?
@maxlaughton - Not that I've seen
Hey max, any Richmond news?
@maxlaughton - No, sorry
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/2017-afl-trade-period-all-the-news-from-every-player-and-every-club/news-story/6bdbf7d7b2a1fed8f83f40a13d3ca8e8 (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/2017-afl-trade-period-all-the-news-from-every-player-and-every-club/news-story/6bdbf7d7b2a1fed8f83f40a13d3ca8e8)
Schache's worth has dropped enormously - would not do that
We're not going after Schache......much bigger fish to fry.... :shh
TL?
Tony Lockett?
:lol
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Miles for schache anyone?
You missed off the first round draft pick
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I wonder if we will change our mind on Schache during the trade period??
The more I think about him the more I wouldn't mind picking him up
Seems like the club is gun shy about him for some reason.....
I don't think it is just us that are gun shy.
Not sure what the issue is, but when clubs are fighting for Jack Watts ahead of a former No.2 pick young KPF, there has to be issues there.
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I think by the sounds of it Schache might be a bit of a mummy's boy and a crybaby.
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Bulldogs want pick 11 for Stringer but apparently this is what Essendon wants do according to Matty Lloyd:
Essendon: picks 11 & 28 ----> Stringer, Devon Smith, Saad.
Gold Coast: Saad & pick 19 ----> pick 11
GWS: Devon Smith ------> pick 28
Bulldogs: Stringer ------------> pick 19
Source: Trade Radio twitter.
Smith for 28. :lol :lol :lol :lol
Good luck schmucks.
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Miles for schache anyone?
You missed off the first round draft pick
That sounds fair. Schache and the Lions 1st round pick for our pick 15 :rollin
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Bulldogs want pick 11 for Stringer but apparently this is what Essendon wants do according to Matty Lloyd:
Essendon: picks 11 & 28 ----> Stringer, Devon Smith, Saad.
Gold Coast: Saad & pick 19 ----> pick 11
GWS: Devon Smith ------> pick 28
Bulldogs: Stringer ------------> pick 19
Source: Trade Radio twitter.
Smith for 28. :lol :lol :lol :lol
Good luck schmucks.
as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, just another year of Essendon fanboys overrating the value of their players and picks.
stuffing hilarious
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Essendon, where the line between bigfooty and reality is blurred.
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Miles to GC
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When is Lynch coming?
I'm getting bored. :snidegrin
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Trade whispers saying that we're considering trading our two picks in the teens for the Saints pick 7.
Could it be part of the Lynch move? :shh
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Miles to GC
Nothing I can find on it. I'm hearing North, Hawthorn frontrunners.
Looks likely he's gawn.
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@ Dio
https://twitter.com/HungryForSport/status/917529487901786112
:shh :shh
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Miles to GC
Nothing I can find on it. I'm hearing North, Hawthorn frontrunners.
Looks likely he's gawn.
AFL trade talk twitter.
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Trade whispers saying that we're considering trading our two picks in the teens for the Saints pick 7.
We would need a 2nd/3rd rounder coming back our way as well to have enough draft points to pick up Naish if another club bid's for him. St Kilda's next pick is their 3rd round #43.
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Twitter all a flutter suggesting Lynch to the Pies :rollin
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Twitter all a flutter suggesting Lynch to the Pies :rollin
If that Dee's trade of pick 10 for our 15 & 17 went ahead,
COULD we arrange something like 10 + Miles + Next years 1st rounder for Lynch?
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We can't afford Tom Lynch. Period.
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We can't afford Tom Lynch. Period.
One can only assume you manage the books for us, being that emphatic?
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Logically we cannot afford 2 x 1 million plus players.
Just being pragmatic.
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Maric $200k
Hunt $250k
Morris $250k
Elton $150k
Trade one or two of Miles, Lennon, Lloyd who would all be on roughly 250-350k
and I think Im being ultra conservative with those guesstimates.
It can be done.
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Maric $200k
Hunt $250k
Morris $250k
Elton $150k
Trade one or two of Miles, Lennon, Lloyd who would all be on roughly 250-350k
and I think Im being ultra conservative with those guesstimates.
It can be done.
Deledio (Guessing) we're covering 350k, Yarran 500ish?
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I think youre right about Lids we're paying something, Yarran pretty sure we did a deal regarding the payout and we're paying(or paid) the equivalent of 100k for this season.
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Definitely were covering something from Lids.
The point on Yarran, perhaps we did strike a deal, but at the start of the season we must have at least had the 500k of space for Yarran. Perhaps more.
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yep didnt think of that :thumbsup
Its settled - it can be done - GET IT DONE!
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Logically we cannot afford 2 x 1 million plus players.
Just being pragmatic.
With front-ending & back-loading they wouldn't both be getting a million at the same time.... :shh
Would also suggest considering it was 500k short of North's offer, Martin's 1.1 million was budgeted for..... :shh :shh
Yarran & Deledio's money will be freed up....plus Hamspud's at the end of next year... :shh :shh :shh
...Rance will likely retire at the end of his current contract.... :shh :shh :shh :shh
...Cotchin's & Riewoldt's next contracts, if they both continue on, will probably be for less and won't be long ones..... :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
...salary cap increases next year.... :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
..salary cap will likely increase again towards the end of Lynch's contract..... :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
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Righto, I'm sold. Get it done tigers.
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Deledio (Guessing) we're covering 350k, Yarran 500ish?
I think it was reported that Deledio's contract was worth close to 800K when he signed it a few years ago.
We traded to GWS and paid part of his salary to get that 2017 first rounder.
Think it suited both clubs and I wouldn't be surprised to think we paid at least half of his wage.
Yarran was signed on a 3 year contract.
He was seen at the time to be our "big fish" and was going to transform our backline.
Wouldn't be surprised if he was on north of 600K.
He retired with two years still to go and so I think we may have only paid half his remainder.
That's close to a million for two players not playing for us this year.
Of course all the figures in the press are journo's guesses so treat them with a heavy dose of salt.
Interesting to note that Rockliff is reported to be going to Port on $650K a year as a free agent.
Makes reports that he resigned with Lions for 2017 on a figure of $800K hard to believe.
Would have liked Rocky last year but now he's too expensive and too old for us.
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Get Lynch
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Maric $200k
Hunt $250k
Morris $250k
Elton $150k
Trade one or two of Miles, Lennon, Lloyd who would all be on roughly 250-350k
and I think Im being ultra conservative with those guesstimates.
It can be done.
Elton was on $150k ??? :huh
Woweee!
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Interesting to note that Rockliff is reported to be going to Port on $650K a year as a free agent.
Makes reports that he resigned with Lions for 2017 on a figure of $800K hard to believe.
Would have liked Rocky last year but now he's too expensive and too old for us.
Sorry to correct you but Rockliff was already contracted for 2017 it was the final year of his current contract
His manager tried to get them to do an extension mid 2016 chasing around $800k a year after Dan Rich re-signed on similar
But Lions wouldn't do an extension.
Then his manager tried to shop him around via trade last year to get him a long term deal anywhere
No takers; so he stayed at Brissie for 2017. Had a good year and finally got a long term deal with good coin
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...Rance will likely retire at the end of his current contract.... :shh :shh :shh :shh
:nope :nope :nope :nope
...salary cap increases next year.... :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
yep and nearly of the existing contracts have a trigger clause in them to cover the CBA increases over the next 5 years
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Rance will reitre...he nearly retired at the end of the last contract....even more likely now he's won a flag........ :shh
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Lynch in play?
Also on SEN this morning, noted former list manager Chris Pelchen claimed that Gold Coast skipper Tom Lynch is in play.
“We’ve heard the rumour and innuendo, obviously the clubs involved, whether it be with Tom Lynch or others who have got key players, they don’t want to lose them," he told the SEN breakfast show.
“Certainly I have heard discussions around two or three clubs are speaking with him right now.”
Pelchen said the situation was similar to Hawthorn's successful courting of Shaun Burgoyne, which took place over a couple of years before he finally made the move at the end of 2009.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/trade/trade-talk
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Interesting article.
http://www.footyology.com.au/the-trades-day-3-some-food-for-tiger-thought/
Would we entertain Castagna for Schache? Id expect some sort of exchange for picks would occur as well.
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Interesting article.
http://www.footyology.com.au/the-trades-day-3-some-food-for-tiger-thought/
Would we entertain Castagna for Schache? Id expect some sort of exchange for picks would occur as well.
Yes. Because Stengle and Bolton will be better, and soon.
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Lol just read the article. Says about as much.
Stengle apparently looks the goods even more than Bolton, and that's saying something about whetting the appetite!
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Clarkeson from Freo another Ruck?
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Clarkeson from Freo another Ruck?
Maybe a few years ago. Very injure prone. Obviously comes cheap, although there are a few clubs interested.
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Logically we cannot afford 2 x 1 million plus players.
Just being pragmatic.
What if Cotch, Rance and Riewoldt were all front loaded?
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How would Ben Brown look in RFC colours, there seems to be an issue about his resigning??
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How would Ben Brown look in RFC colours, there seems to be an issue about his resigning??
Hi signed weeks ago?
Was livid we didn't take him. Watched him all year on foxtel before he was drafted and knew he'd be a steal but I figured as a ruck not a forward haha
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How would Ben Brown look in RFC colours, there seems to be an issue about his resigning??
Just signed for 2
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Two trades completed so far today - Lever to the Dees & Smith to the Bombers.
Essendon: gain Devon Smith, pick 24
GWS: gain pick 11
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-12/dev-off-to-the-dons-as-giants-secure-top-pick
Melbourne: gain Jake Lever, pick 35, Adelaide's future third round pick.
Adelaide: gain pick 10, Melbourne's future first round pick, Melbourne's future fourth round pick.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-12/done-deal-demons-pull-off-lever-trade
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I know everyones claiming the Dees payed overs but I think theyve done well there. Lever could be the next Rance. They already have enough young talent, dont need early picks at thia stage.
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I reckon its overs but we will see in time
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I know everyones claiming the Dees payed overs but I think theyve done well there. Lever could be the next Rance. They already have enough young talent, dont need early picks at thia stage.
Imagine if Roosy kept pick 2 instead of trading it for Tyson and 9. :lol
Dees are the gift that keeps giving.
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At the risk of doing a Claw, Lever looks like a third man up defender and do you really want to pay that much for him? Still young and if he can lock down the 1st string KPF he'd be worth it.
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So hare Essendon weren't prepared to give up 11 for Stringer but did for Smith? How are they going to get both Stringer & Saad now?
I would've paid both firsts for Lever....kid's tracking well ahead of Rance at the same age....plus if he played for us he wouldn't have to play against Townsend.... :shh
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At the risk of doing a Claw, Lever looks like a third man up defender
Claw ,and nearly everyone else for that matter, said the same about Rance.... :shh
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At the risk of doing a Claw, Lever looks like a third man up defender
Claw ,and nearly everyone else for that matter, said the same about Rance.... :shh
Hence why I said "at the risk of doing a Claw". Only issue is Claw still says it :shh
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:lol
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I know everyones claiming the Dees payed overs but I think theyve done well there. Lever could be the next Rance. They already have enough young talent, dont need early picks at thia stage.
Imagine if Roosy kept pick 2 instead of trading it for Tyson and 9. :lol
Dees are the gift that keeps giving.
Ah they woulda picked Aish or something.
Lol, what a disaster. Salem is decent enough I suppose.
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At the risk of doing a Claw, Lever looks like a third man up defender
Claw ,and nearly everyone else for that matter, said the same about Rance.... :shh
They also said it about Jack as a 3rd tall forward....
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Just saw that Adelaide is shopping around Harrison Wigg.....was keen on him in his draft year, when he was regarded as the best kick in that draft....eventually went two picks after Usain Menadue....
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Some worryingly increasing chatter about us being in the frame for Watts......:facepalm :help
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Meh, Id take Watts. We've been in desperate need of a whipping boy since Vickery left.
We've had to resort to potting blokes like "Butter" Grimes.
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Melbourne want an early second and luckily we don’t have one.
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So hare Essendon weren't prepared to give up 11 for Stringer but did for Smith? How are they going to get both Stringer & Saad now?
I think they are still on drugs, just now they are a more psychological kind.
Only way I can see it happening is if they cough up future picks.
Regarding Stringer, they seem to be trying to wait out the Bulldogs in the belief that they will get desperate and move him on for anything. High risk high reward strategy. But I can see another club swooping in.
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Melbourne want an early second and luckily we don’t have one.
No, but we have two firsts and until we go back to back, I am always worried the Tigers of Old are waiting just around the corner.
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So hare Essendon weren't prepared to give up 11 for Stringer but did for Smith? How are they going to get both Stringer & Saad now?
I think they are still on drugs, just now they are a more psychological kind.
Only way I can see it happening is if they cough up future picks.
Regarding Stringer, they seem to be trying to wait out the Bulldogs in the belief that they will get desperate and move him on for anything. High risk high reward strategy. But I can see another club swooping in.
and given that Stringer is open to going to other clubs - its a very real possibility - hell I could see us using one of our first rounders on him
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A little birdie told me the Essendon players were not keen on Stringer after meeting him.
Maybe that is why they didn't use 11 on him. :shh
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We won't get him, doesn't fit our needs
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Melbourne want an early second and luckily we don’t have one.
I'm sure Richmond won't mind giving them a first instead
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Melbourne want an early second and luckily we don’t have one.
I'm sure Richmond won't mind giving them a first instead
That's a turkey slappin' >:(
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@Barrot01 - could the tigers go to WB and say here is pick 17 for Stringer if a deal can’t be done with ESS get back to us?
Ricky Nixon - Of course but Richmond dont need $600 or $700 in their cap they wont go for Stringer bc of cost $$$$.
@Barrot01 - Fair enough, it will be interesting if tigers play any part in trades as they will have money from lids, yarran and Marie going.
Ricky Nixon - The have no money and have 5-8 contracts to sort with players who played out of their skins this year.
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot
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Yeah, word is Castagna and Townsend are getting 500k each....
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pee off lloyd
TIGERS TO HELP DONS LAND STRINGER?
COULD Richmond be a surprise player in helping Essendon land Jake Stringer?
The Tigers are largely staying away from the AFL Trade Period this year but former Bombers champion Matthew Lloyd said they could be called upon by other clubs.
Essendon does not have a top-20 pick to trade the Western Bulldogs for Stringer, after giving away Pick 11 as part of the Devon Smith trade yesterday.
Richmond currently has Pick 15 - which it received from Geelong as part of the Brett Deledio trade last year - as well as Pick 17.
Lloyd said Pick 15 could be traded in return for Essendon’s two second-round picks – picks 24 and 29 – in a win-win for both clubs.
“It also helps Richmond with their positioning for points, getting (Patrick) Naish through the door,” Lloyd said on AFL Trade Radio.
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pee off lloyd
TIGERS TO HELP DONS LAND STRINGER?
COULD Richmond be a surprise player in helping Essendon land Jake Stringer?
The Tigers are largely staying away from the AFL Trade Period this year but former Bombers champion Matthew Lloyd said they could be called upon by other clubs.
Essendon does not have a top-20 pick to trade the Western Bulldogs for Stringer, after giving away Pick 11 as part of the Devon Smith trade yesterday.
Richmond currently has Pick 15 - which it received from Geelong as part of the Brett Deledio trade last year - as well as Pick 17.
Lloyd said Pick 15 could be traded in return for Essendon’s two second-round picks – picks 24 and 29 – in a win-win for both clubs.
“It also helps Richmond with their positioning for points, getting (Patrick) Naish through the door,” Lloyd said on AFL Trade Radio.
Honestly, why would we help Essendon get Stringer? Especially when they have been described as very difficult to deal with in trade weeks gone past?
Anyway, should we wish to help them i would trade pick 17 this year for their future 1st round draft pick in a draft that many has said is much stronger.
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The club has a player eyed off for pick 15.
They are also waiting until the last moment when clubs get desperate to see if they can do something with 17. :shh
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The club has a player eyed off for pick 15.
They are also waiting until the last moment when clubs get desperate to see if they can do something with 17. :shh
pm pleez :pray
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Me too please Doc.
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No secrets boys as Balme told everyone at the club not to leak anything or there will be hell to pay!
All I know is that the club realises a few players always slide unexpectedly and there are a few that they will be happy to pounce on at 15 e.g.. Balta, Bonar, Hayes, Brander......
They have learn't from past history that a lot of deals happen at the eleventh hour, just like Caddy. They are happy to wait before they pull the trigger as some players value plummet as their club is desperate to move them on.
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Jack is 30 at the end of next year and we’ve really got nobody coming through, surely we’d still entertain Schache late if his price fell?
I’m assuming too that we’re holding off re-signing some players to keep some cap space in the case we need to trade in.
Matthew Lloyd can get stuffed too. I wouldn’t even pee on Essendon if they were burning.
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Jack is 30 at the end of next year and we’ve really got nobody coming through, surely we’d still entertain Schache late if his price fell?
I’m assuming too that we’re holding off re-signing some players to keep some cap space in the case we need to trade in.
Matthew Lloyd can get stuffed too. I wouldn’t even pee on Essendon if they were burning.
Read my post above... :shh
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Time to start a ‘Welcome to Tigerland, Josh Schache’ thread.
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Time to start a ‘Welcome to Tigerland, Josh Schache’ thread.
:lol
Not quite!
Seriously, they are on a fishing expedition. If they can land a decent sized fish by using cheap bait and tackle, they'll take it. If not, they'll go to the draft.
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Jack is 30 at the end of next year and we’ve really got nobody coming through, surely we’d still entertain Schache late if his price fell?
I’m assuming too that we’re holding off re-signing some players to keep some cap space in the case we need to trade in.
Matthew Lloyd can get stuffed too. I wouldn’t even pee on Essendon if they were burning.
Read my post above... :shh
I was replying to you >:(
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I keep hearing more and more that Schache is still very much in play. Honestly, if we could get him for pick 17, Id just about pull the trigger.
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I keep hearing more and more that Schache is still very much in play. Honestly, if we could get him for pick 17, Id just about pull the trigger.
The club may feel the same way but Brisbane are probably wanting more at this stage. That may be a reason the club is playing a waiting game.
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Lloyd said Pick 15 could be traded in return for Essendon’s two second-round picks – picks 24 and 29 – in a win-win for both clubs.
“It also helps Richmond with their positioning for points, getting (Patrick) Naish through the door,” Lloyd said on AFL Trade Radio.
As I've mentioned before, I haven't followed this draft however usually I think I'd take that deal considering we also have another early pick (although I'd demand to use 17 because stuff Essendon). But then all the evaluations on this draft are that it is very weak and doesn't bat very deep.
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I keep hearing more and more that Schache is still very much in play. Honestly, if we could get him for pick 17, Id just about pull the trigger.
The club may feel the same way but Brisbane are probably wanting more at this stage. That may be a reason the club is playing a waiting game.
Touche.
I keep hearing 2nd rounder touted as his current value is all.
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Time to start a ‘Welcome to Tigerland, Josh Schache’ thread.
:lol
Not quite!
Seriously, they are on a fishing expedition. If they can land a decent sized fish by using cheap bait and tackle, they'll take it. If not, they'll go to the draft.
So you're saying shache needs to tackle better ?
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Time to start a ‘Welcome to Tigerland, Josh Schache’ thread.
:lol
Not quite!
Seriously, they are on a fishing expedition. If they can land a decent sized fish by using cheap bait and tackle, they'll take it. If not, they'll go to the draft.
So you're saying shache needs to tackle better ?
Would have helped enhance his value! That is for sure!
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Lloyd said Pick 15 could be traded in return for Essendon’s two second-round picks – picks 24 and 29 – in a win-win for both clubs.
“It also helps Richmond with their positioning for points, getting (Patrick) Naish through the door,” Lloyd said on AFL Trade Radio.
As I've mentioned before, I haven't followed this draft however usually I think I'd take that deal considering we also have another early pick (although I'd demand to use 17 because stuff Essendon). But then all the evaluations on this draft are that it is very weak and doesn't bat very deep.
On the HUN website
Tigers wont be helping the bumbling bombers :rollin
No deal Matty :thumbsup
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I keep hearing more and more that Schache is still very much in play. Honestly, if we could get him for pick 17, Id just about pull the trigger.
Would take him but not for a 1st rounder. 3rd rounder and a player like Miles or LLoyd
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No secrets boys as Balme told everyone at the club not to leak anything or there will be hell to pay!
All I know is that the club realises a few players always slide unexpectedly and there are a few that they will be happy to pounce on at 15 e.g.. Balta, Bonar, Hayes, Brander......
They have learn't from past history that a lot of deals happen at the eleventh hour, just like Caddy. They are happy to wait before they pull the trigger as some players value plummet as their club is desperate to move them on.
>:(
I don't like it......but I will have to respect it
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Lloyd said Pick 15 could be traded in return for Essendon’s two second-round picks – picks 24 and 29 – in a win-win for both clubs.
“It also helps Richmond with their positioning for points, getting (Patrick) Naish through the door,” Lloyd said on AFL Trade Radio.
As I've mentioned before, I haven't followed this draft however usually I think I'd take that deal considering we also have another early pick (although I'd demand to use 17 because stuff Essendon). But then all the evaluations on this draft are that it is very weak and doesn't bat very deep.
On the HUN website
Tigers wont be helping the bumbling bombers :rollin
No deal Matty :thumbsup
Essendon - once a deluded football club, always a deluded football club :lol.
Geelong have also considered something similar apparently.
Richmond: pick 15 + Lloyd or late pick ---> picks 19 (Motlop compo), 21
Geelong: picks 19, 21 ------> pick 15 + Lloyd or late pick -----> ontrade pick 15 for Stringer.
Richmond rebuffs Essendon on three-way deal involving Bulldog Jake Stringer, draft pick
Jay Clark,
Herald Sun
13 October 2017
RICHMOND is sitting out of a three-way deal which could help solve the impasse for exiled Western Bulldog Jake Stringer.
The Tigers have picks 15 and 17 in this year’s draft which they are holding, in part, to claim father-son midfielder Patrick Naish.
Essendon asked whether the Tigers would trade pick 15 (worth 1112 draft value index points) for the Bombers’ picks 24 and 29 (total 1438).
Richmond won’t help Essendon secure Jake Stringer from the Western Bulldogs. Picture: Michael Klein
The draft value index points could be evened out even more by adding Richmond’s pick 51 (worth 249 points) to the deal, if necessary.
The deal could be a massive help for Essendon because they could offer pick No.15 on to the Bulldogs in return for Stringer.
Recently, respected manager Scott Lucas said he thought pick No.15 would be a fair trade for Stringer.
But the Tigers have indicated they aren’t interested in that deal and want to keep their two top-20 picks for Naish and another highly-rated player.
It leaves the Bombers and Bulldogs looking for another way to secure the Stringer deal before Thursday’s trade deadline.
The Bulldogs wanted pick No.11 for Stringer but Essendon has already swapped it to Greater Western Sydney for Devon Smith.
Geelong could send a similar request to Punt Rd to advance the Cats’ position for Stringer as part of an even sweeter points boost for the Tigers.
The Cats already have pick No.21 and could secure pick No.19 as first-round free agency compensation for Steve Motlop if he moves to Adelaide or Port Adelaide.
Geelong could bundle those two selections together (worth 1793 points) in exchange for Richmond’s pick No.15 and a later pick, or midfield-forward Sam Lloyd.
The Cats have been identified as a potential new home for Lloyd if the Cats lose Motlop and fellow goal kicker Daniel Menzel.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/richmond-rebuffs-essendon-on-threeway-deal-involving-bulldog-jake-stringer-draft-pick/news-story/29de2091f516c5be55c58473e23697f5
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I keep hearing more and more that Schache is still very much in play. Honestly, if we could get him for pick 17, Id just about pull the trigger.
The club may feel the same way but Brisbane are probably wanting more at this stage. That may be a reason the club is playing a waiting game.
I don’t think any club will trump that offer. Sounds like he’s ours if we want him and that will probably be the price.
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I keep hearing more and more that Schache is still very much in play. Honestly, if we could get him for pick 17, Id just about pull the trigger.
The club may feel the same way but Brisbane are probably wanting more at this stage. That may be a reason the club is playing a waiting game.
I don’t think any club will trump that offer. Sounds like he’s ours if we want him and that will probably be the price.
I'd sit it out then, or engineer a deal involving a player rather than an early pick. There really doesn't seem to be much interest for Schache.
Maybe get a third party involved like Geelong, who apparently are interested in Lloyd.
Lloyd to the Cats
Cats send a pick (No.21) the Lions
Tigers get Schache.
I realise that might look a little unbalanced, so there might be other picks involved. Or maybe they get Gold Coast in somehow as part of the Ablett deal.
Just trying to present the bones of a possible deal.
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Confirmed: Hayden Crozier is a Bulldog. Dockers get pick 40 & 82 in exchange for Crozier & future 4th round pick.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-13/dogs-nab-talented-dockers-utility-hayden-crozier
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Port Adelaide wins commitment from Steve Motlop despite bigger offer from Adelaide. Motlop signs 4 year deal with Port Adelaide pending Geelong matching (which they won’t). Looks like being pick 35 compo pick for Motlop for the Cats.
Brisbane has offered the Crows pick 19 for Adelaide's Charlie Cameron.
Giant Nathan Wilson expected to become a Docker.
GWS tough nut Matthew Kennedy has nominated Carlton as his club of choice but Callum Twomey said on NAB AFL Trade Radio it is being delayed because the Blues want to give up No.39, whereas the Giants want something closer to No.20. Carlton don't have a second-round selection after trading it last year as part of the deal that saw Zach Tuohy land at Geelong.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/trade/trade-talk
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The blues not budging from pick 39. Kid went pick 13.
Sos the new Essendon. Hope he blunders this trade and Kennedy is a key cog in a gws flag.
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Tigers hold their ground with prime draft pick pair
Richmond will keep an open mind on involving its two first-round picks – No.15 and No.17 – in pick swaps but says taking them into next month's NAB AFL Draft is the most likely scenario.
After an active 2016 Trade Period that netted eventual premiership players Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy and Toby Nankervis, the Tigers have been quiet since trading opened on Monday.
Clubs – including Essendon – have made inquiries about snaring one of Richmond's first-round selections for two later picks, but list manager Dan Richardson said they were yet to be tempted.
"We're comfortable with that position, but you should never have a closed mind to anything in footy," Richardson told AFL.com.au.
"We'll have an open mind if clubs are keen to talk to us about those picks.
"But that said, we're comfortable if we end up retaining them, which is the more likely scenario."
Why do clubs think Richmond's picks are gettable?
Father-son prospect Patrick Naish is the reason clubs are approaching the Tigers.
Essendon's offer of picks No.24 and No.29 in exchange for Richmond's No.15 would have left the Tigers with more points to pay for Naish and given the Bombers a suitable pick to land Jake Stringer.
But knowing when a rival bid will come for the father-son prospect is the critical element.
By rejecting Essendon's offer, it can be assumed Richmond is not certain a bid will come for Naish before its two picks and it will be able to pay for him with later selections.
Richardson kept his cards close to his chest on Naish, the son of Chris Naish, who played 143 games for Richmond between 1990-97 before adding 18 games for Port Adelaide.
"We'll have out own rating of the draft and the draft order. Where we think Patrick sits, we won't disclose where that is."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-13/trade-wrap-port-roll-the-dice-on-motlop
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Geelong have also considered something similar apparently.
Richmond: pick 15 + Lloyd or late pick ---> picks 19 (Motlop compo), 21
Now that I would consider but would need "late pick" defined...
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Port Adelaide wins commitment from Steve Motlop despite bigger offer from Adelaide.
I await Tex's response :lol :lol
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Port Adelaide wins commitment from Steve Motlop despite bigger offer from Adelaide.
I await Tex's response :lol :lol
He’s still in the middle of the MCG doing his power ranger stance.
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Port Adelaide wins commitment from Steve Motlop despite bigger offer from Adelaide.
I await Tex's response :lol :lol
He’s still in the middle of the MCG doing his power ranger stance.
:lol pink power ranger
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Geelong have also considered something similar apparently.
Richmond: pick 15 + Lloyd or late pick ---> picks 19 (Motlop compo), 21
Now that I would consider but would need "late pick" defined...
From the outset sounds decent enough, would give us 17, 19 and 21. Not bad for the team that just won the flag.
I just get the feeling we have someone in mind at 15 and 17 gets used for Schache.
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http://aflworld360.com/magpies-tigers-hawks-bulldogs-chase-contract-sun/
Lynch's best mate.... :shh
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Port Adelaide wins commitment from Steve Motlop despite bigger offer from Adelaide.
I await Tex's response :lol :lol
He’s still in the middle of the MCG doing his power ranger stance.
Explains why he was missing during the game, he didn't know it started
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So apparently Geelong are getting pick 19 as compo for Motlop.....which is the same as what we would've received for Martin had he left...
...yeah the system's not dodgy at all..... :whistle
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So apparently Geelong are getting pick 19 as compo for Motlop.....which is the same as what we would've received for Martin had he left...
...yeah the system's not dodgy at all..... :whistle
Latest reports say it'll more likely be a second rounder - pick 35.
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/steven-motlop-to-port-adelaide-power-confirm-signing-of-geelong-restricted-free-agent/news-story/aefbc2d2658173c5c056249ba714d231
https://twitter.com/JakeNiallFOX/status/919062510371614720
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/steven-motlop-to-port-adelaide-power-confirm-signing-of-geelong-restricted-free-agent/news-story/aefbc2d2658173c5c056249ba714d231
https://twitter.com/JakeNiallFOX/status/919062510371614720
I stand corrected.
Wow! Port signing Motlop on a 4-year deal at $500 p.a. :o. That'll take him to 30+ years of age. No wonder he jumped ship.
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So apparently Geelong are getting pick 19 as compo for Motlop.....which is the same as what we would've received for Martin had he left...
...yeah the system's not dodgy at all..... :whistle
Shifty Sheehan is Geelong supporter and decides compo. Cheating prick as it's a ridiculous decision
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No stuffing way that should be an end 1st round compo pick.
Given we don't have a pick between 17 and 52 it has no impact on us but still BS
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Tom Lamb anyone?
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/west-coast-forward-tom-lamb-could-find-a-new-home
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No thanks
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...and that was the only time dwaino suggested we have Lamb....
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Wow! Port signing Motlop on a 4-year deal at $500 p.a. :o. That'll take him to 30+ years of age. No wonder he jumped ship.
Has Chris Mayne MKII written all over it.
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...and that was the only time dwaino suggested we have Lamb....
Haha. I’m not up to speed with all the young/fringe players at other clubs. Just saw the article, he is a forward and only 20 and hardly played a game and thought I’d ask if anyone knew better ;D
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So we give Dusty an extra 500k a year and according to everyone in the media we have no cap space or room to bring in anyone.
Port add a mill - are almost certain to be adding 1.5 mill if Watts comes across - and no one bats an eyelid. Theyre not paying peanuts for Gray, Hartlett, Ryder, Boak and Dixon. How the eff are they fitting these contracts into their cap?
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Plenty of delisted talls I would be prepared to give a shot, especially given the amount of years we've given Griffiths.
Jonathan Freeman - develop
Sam Collins - develop
Lachlan Hansen - depth tall
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Plenty of delisted talls I would be prepared to give a shot, especially given the amount of years we've given Griffiths.
Jonathan Freeman - develop
Sam Collins - develop
Lachlan Hansen - depth tall
ok youve bloody lost it with Hansen....Geez Geez man 😠
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Sam Collins is a reasonable player.
But I think Batch is better, so he'd be a bit down the pecking order.
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Clubs are expecting a flurry of pick swaps late in the trade period. While deals involving players require them to consent to a proposed move, straight pick swaps can be done far more quickly. Clubs says pick swaps would already have been agreed to in principle and, provided some of those picks haven't been used in subsequent deals, can be ratified before Thursday's deadline.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-15/trade-wrap-charlie-deal-no-closer
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I wonder if we could swap one or both of our first rounders for a first round pick next year?
I think the club knows other clubs will try and bend us over with Naish so we need to maximise what these picks are worth
If we don't have any they cant shaft us
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Schache talk will not go away.
The more I think about it, the more I think we should do it as long as the price is right. Cheap highly regarded KPF's dont grow on trees. Strong relationship with Leppa, we have a strong culture at the club, I think he can shine. IMV we can afford to take a punt with this one
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Schache talk will not go away.
The more I think about it, the more I think we should do it as long as the price is right. Cheap highly regarded KPF's dont grow on trees. Strong relationship with Leppa, we have a strong culture at the club, I think he can shine. IMV we can afford to take a punt with this one
Where are you hearing this? Just curious as Dan Rich. said he aren't interested....
I think we should take him as well now.
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ESSENDON has secured the second of its three trade targets after sending a future second-round pick to Gold Coast in exchange for speedy half-back Adam Saad.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-16/done-deal-speedy-sun-off-to-the-bombers
Fremantle’s Lachie Weller has asked for a trade to the Gold Coast Suns,
https://twitter.com/AFLcomau
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Schache talk will not go away.
The more I think about it, the more I think we should do it as long as the price is right. Cheap highly regarded KPF's dont grow on trees. Strong relationship with Leppa, we have a strong culture at the club, I think he can shine. IMV we can afford to take a punt with this one
Where are you hearing this? Just curious as Dan Rich. said he aren't interested....
Lying is the 2nd language in football.
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Conca to freo for Balic has been talked about and close.While pick 17 and Miles to lions for Josh.We need a pick for points for Naish.
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Can someone go and get our trade team out of the pub, sober them up, and tell them trade week closes on Thursday!
Clearly been on the pee for 2 weeks straight now
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‘The Real Deal’ tonight REVEAL; both Ricky Nixon & I [Tony Sheahan] believe @melbournefc star Jesse Hogan and the @freodockers are working on a trade.
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan/status/919839470144299009
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Schache talk will not go away.
The more I think about it, the more I think we should do it as long as the price is right. Cheap highly regarded KPF's dont grow on trees. Strong relationship with Leppa, we have a strong culture at the club, I think he can shine. IMV we can afford to take a punt with this one
Where are you hearing this? Just curious as Dan Rich. said he aren't interested....
I think we should take him as well now.
Ricky Nixon's mail tonight is Miles + a good pick (#17) to Brisbane for Schache.
He compares Schache to Gunston. Adelaide said Gunston was no good and traded him. Gunston goes to Hawthorn and plays in a forward line alongside by Roughead, Cyril Rioli and co. and stars in premiership wins. At Richmond, Schache would get the sixth best defender and be able to peel off into space with Jack Riewoldt attracting the opposition defence's main attention.
https://www.facebook.com/SportingNewsAU/videos/1667852266582351/
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I'd do that deal for sure.
It's a weak draft and Shache has big upside. I reckon he will emerge with our #insaneconnection.
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I am just not convinced on Schache.
Doesn't look like any other club is very interested. There has to be a reason.
Would rather go to the draft and try and snare a KPF from there. We don't need a superstar, just a footy smart kid who is athletic enough to make a contest and who we can develop over the longer term.
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I'd do that deal for sure.
It's a weak draft and Shache has big upside. I reckon he will emerge with our #insaneconnection.
I's want a pick coming back the other way
Pick 20 would be nice ;D
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what would people think about cutting Essendons lunch and throwing pick 15 at Stringer?
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crickets so far....................did Blair and Dan take the year off this year?
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what would people think about cutting Essendons lunch and throwing pick 15 at Stringer?
Same as I thought when Footscray first put him up....get him...bloke's a bonafide matchwinner....him & Martin would wreak havoc for years to come...
...two late first rounders in a pee week draft and a father-son we'd probably have a better chance of getting if we didn't have those two picks.....ffs use the stuffers to get Stringer & Kennedy....or Schache of you like....( I don't but whatever)...
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Agree id have a crack at Stringer too, what a line up that would be!!
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It seems as though we will be passengers this year lie a few other clubs out there.
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what would people think about cutting Essendons lunch and throwing pick 15 at Stringer?
I would cut Effendon's lunch just purely for the fun of it! Provided Stringer's issues are only above the shoulders (& fixable), I'd go for it! :santa
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It seems as though we will be passengers this year lie a few other clubs out there.
I reckon there's a view amongst the average punter that if you don't bring in 2-3 A graders for mid grade picks you've had a failed/quiet trade period. Just reckon a lot of clubs position for certain years and stack themselves for that. Look at our 15. Dismal, got 1 trade done which was a bust. But we positioned beautifully for '16 and it ended up winning us a flag (amongst other things).
Perhaps we're setting up for a big '18 trade period??
We don't really NEED anything from this trade period. Would be nice if we can snag Schache for unders but other than that, what did we need to do?
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what would people think about cutting Essendons lunch and throwing pick 15 at Stringer?
Same as I thought when Footscray first put him up....get him...bloke's a bonafide matchwinner....him & Martin would wreak havoc for years to come...
...two late first rounders in a pee week draft and a father-son we'd probably have a better chance of getting if we didn't have those two picks.....ffs use the stuffers to get Stringer & Kennedy....or Schache of you like....( I don't but whatever)...
I'm not sure how but I wonder if salary cap issues prevent our ability to pay these blokes which is the real reason why we are going to draft kids
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It seems as though we will be passengers this year lie a few other clubs out there.
I reckon there's a view amongst the average punter that if you don't bring in 2-3 A graders for mid grade picks you've had a failed/quiet trade period. Just reckon a lot of clubs position for certain years and stack themselves for that. Look at our 15. Dismal, got 1 trade done which was a bust. But we positioned beautifully for '16 and it ended up winning us a flag (amongst other things).
Perhaps we're setting up for a big '18 trade period??
We don't really NEED anything from this trade period. Would be nice if we can snag Schache for unders but other than that, what did we need to do?
Very true
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http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/port-adelaide/contracted-melbourne-forward-jack-watts-confirms-his-move-to-port-adelaide/news-story/826325d96974cc7c27daf9a7315e835e
I think they would be better off getting Butcher back
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i must have missed the memo when motlop and watts suddenly become superstars.
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i must have missed the memo when motlop and watts suddenly become superstars.
not superstars but they will add hardness around the contest
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i must have missed the memo when motlop and watts suddenly become superstars.
not superstars but they will add hardness around the contest
:lol
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i must have missed the memo when motlop and watts suddenly become superstars.
not superstars but they will add hardness around the contest
im not exactly sure if you're taking the pee. Cant be sure these days.
Please confirm
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Only Port and Essendon have really gone for any players and they are players to strengthen weak spots on their lists and that's why they didn't have to fight anyone for them and why they have gone cheap.
This is a lame trade period. Looks like most teams are backing their own lists in and will hit the draft for next season.
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Port's Brendon Ah Chee off to West Coast. Eagles give 2018 3rd round pick and receive one of Port's 2018 4th round picks.
https://twitter.com/Lee_Gaskin1
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St Kilda considering trading pick 8 for multiple picks. With Us?
Bains: We've had discussions about turning pick 8 into multiple picks further back the draft. But they haven't developed too far
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/920039889076232193
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what would people think about cutting Essendons lunch and throwing pick 15 at Stringer?
I'd do that.
And I'd sent pick 17 to Brisbane for Schache.
Trade Miles + Lloyd for hopefully mid-late 2nd round picks and use the points to grab Naish.
See if we can draft a young ruckman wit a late one.
Pick up talls like Collins (develop KPD), Freeman (develop KPF) and Hansen (KPD - DEPTH ONLY NOOBS)
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Why would the Premiers pick up other clubs discard, can't get a game with their current club
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The Lions are less confident about Schache securing a fresh start, with minimal interest from rival clubs.
"There's a couple that are probably still putting their toe in the water," Noble said.
"We haven't had anyone that has legitimately come to us in the last 24 hours and said, 'Can we do a deal for Josh?'
"Something may happen today, but we're not too sure where that's going to sit.
"Clubs need to get organised, they need to do medicals, they need to do interviews with players, so the timeframe is starting to shorten.
"If he stays, he stays."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-17/time-running-out-for-schache-as-cameron-stalemate-continues
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BRISBANE forward Josh Schache has reassured the Lions he will return to play for them next season if a trade to a Melbourne-based team can’t be struck.
Schache’s hopes of moving home to Victoria hinge on Richmond reviving the long-held interest in him or 11th-hour bids from Carlton, Hawthorn or Western Bulldogs.
The Lions remain hopeful a deal will still be completed, but they may have to accept a late first-round or second-round pick in return for the second-year goalkicker.
Schache’s manager, David Trotter, said there was no ill-feeling towards Brisbane and that his client would certainly honour his contract.
“All parties are working hard on getting a deal done and certainly Josh is very hopeful of playing in Melbourne next year,” Trotter said.
“If that doesn’t happen he will be happy to see out his contract in Brisbane next year.”
The Tigers were the most keen on Schache throughout the season but their interest cooled significantly, in-line with Schache’s form, in the second half of the year.
Richmond is now adamant it will take its two first-round picks to the national draft, in part, to claim father-son midfielder Patrick Naish.
Collingwood, Essendon, St Kilda and North Melbourne have all ruled themselves out of the race for the Seymour product.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/brisbane/josh-schache-will-play-for-brisbane-if-trade-to-melbournebased-team-cant-be-struck/news-story/9d89b6bc3c026cab376abdda885733ae
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The chances of homesick Brisbane Lions spearhead Josh Schache being traded home to Victoria now seem slim, with the Western Bulldogs unlikely to pursue their interest in 2015's No.2 draft pick.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-17/trade-wrap-gibbs-the-key-to-cameron-deal
Ricky Nixon tonight saying a first round pick for Schache is still required to get a deal done.
https://www.facebook.com/SportingNewsAU/videos/1668907666476811/
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What a top bloke, if no one else wants him he will stay.
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What a top bloke, if no one else wants him he will stay.
:lol
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Why would the Premiers pick up other clubs discard, can't get a game with their current club
Have been confusing Sam Collins with Kieran Collins, the latter is the one I wanted to draft lol
My bad
As for the rest of your question, Freeman I thought showed plenty of promise previously and has continued to kick goals in the NEAFL - about 40 this year. I think he has more upside than the likes of Griffiths. I attribute his lack of games and development to Brisbane's apparent poor culture and record with draftees. I wonder if he'd do better at Richmond.
As for Hansen, I am concerned still about our KPP depth. Hansen as played back and forward, and been probably better than Astbury as a defender (bar 2017) and as good or better than any other key forward we've had (bar Jack) in more or less the same time frame - which isn't saying a lot since the next best thing was Vickery. He had a mature body, 150+ games of AFL experience, is free to recruit, cheap to keep on our list, and has another 1-3 years in him. So I see him as serviceable depth in case Jack, Rance or Astbury go down.
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Port's Brendon Ah Chee off to West Coast. Eagles give 2018 3rd round pick and receive one of Port's 2018 4th round picks.
https://twitter.com/Lee_Gaskin1
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St Kilda considering trading pick 8 for multiple picks. With Us?
Bains: We've had discussions about turning pick 8 into multiple picks further back the draft. But they haven't developed too far
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/920039889076232193
Brendan's wife's surname is Bunker. He should hyphenate it
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Any interest in Jono O'Rourke?
Very injury prone, but highly rated as a junior.
Can't say I have seen very much of him.
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Any interest in Jono O'Rourke?
Very injury prone, but highly rated as a junior.
Can't say I have seen very much of him.
Dud. Tambo Jnr
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the club must have a tall in mind. Perhaps another nankervis type
They could but I doubt they would go into 2018 with Griffiths as a back up forward again.
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the club must have a tall in mind. Perhaps another nankervis type
They could but I doubt they would go into 2018 with Griffiths as a back up forward again.
Mumford :shh
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the club must have a tall in mind. Perhaps another nankervis type
They could but I doubt they would go into 2018 with Griffiths as a back up forward again.
Honestly would be shocked and disappointed for another year if we retain Griffiths.
Time to let go...
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the club must have a tall in mind. Perhaps another nankervis type
They could but I doubt they would go into 2018 with Griffiths as a back up forward again.
Honestly would be shocked and disappointed for another year if we retain Griffiths.
Time to let go...
Get ready to be shocked and dissaponted!
He's still got another season to run on his contract ;) :shh
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How about this deal?
Castagna to the Crows
Cameron to the Lions
Pick 18 to Tigers
Crows need a ready made replacement
We load up on first round draft picks
Use our plethora of small forwards to trade in the draft.
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Don't think we're getting pick 18 for Castagna. Or 36 for that matter.
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the club must have a tall in mind. Perhaps another nankervis type
They could but I doubt they would go into 2018 with Griffiths as a back up forward again.
Honestly would be shocked and disappointed for another year if we retain Griffiths.
Time to let go...
Get ready to be shocked and dissaponted!
He's still got another season to run on his contract ;) :shh
Thats good we need a back up in case Jack goes down, not sure what we will do if jack is out for two weeks though.
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Only Port and Essendon have really gone for any players and they are players to strengthen weak spots on their lists and that's why they didn't have to fight anyone for them and why they have gone cheap.
This is a lame trade period. Looks like most teams are backing their own lists in and will hit the draft for next season.
nah watch what happens from here and in particilar from lunchtime today til lunchtime tomorrow.
apparently the trade holding up others is the Stringer trade. once this is done other clubs second priorities will fall into place and trades will get done. so it is claimed anyway.
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Only Port and Essendon have really gone for any players and they are players to strengthen weak spots on their lists and that's why they didn't have to fight anyone for them and why they have gone cheap.
This is a lame trade period. Looks like most teams are backing their own lists in and will hit the draft for next season.
nah watch what happens from here and in particilar from lunchtime today til lunchtime tomorrow.
apparently the trade holding up others is the Stringer trade. once this is done other clubs second priorities will fall into place and trades will get done. so it is claimed anyway.
Always trotted out as an excuse and complete BS. 90% of possible trades under discussion right now have no link at all to the Stringer trade
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someone needs to be held accountable
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i must have missed the memo when motlop and watts suddenly become superstars.
not superstars but they will add hardness around the contest
Almost missed the sarcasm there :lol
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Only Port and Essendon have really gone for any players and they are players to strengthen weak spots on their lists and that's why they didn't have to fight anyone for them and why they have gone cheap.
This is a lame trade period. Looks like most teams are backing their own lists in and will hit the draft for next season.
nah watch what happens from here and in particilar from lunchtime today til lunchtime tomorrow.
apparently the trade holding up others is the Stringer trade. once this is done other clubs second priorities will fall into place and trades will get done. so it is claimed anyway.
Always trotted out as an excuse and complete BS. 90% of possible trades under discussion right now have no link at all to the Stringer trade
I heard its a deliberate ploy to spite you. If I was in your shoes and had to cop this year after year I wouldn't take it either. Get angry son :pillowfight
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Harley Balic has been secured by Melbourne on a one-year contract after the club sent pick No.66 to Fremantle.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-18/homesick-docker-harley-balic-gets-trade-wish-and-joins-dees
Harrison Wigg has been traded to Gold Coast in a deal that will see Adelaide get pick No.39 in this year's NAB AFL Draft.
The Crows have sent Wigg, pick No.54 and a future fourth-round selection to the Suns in exchange for pick No.39.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-18/suns-pounce-to-trade-for-versatile-crow-wigg
"We understand the Blues initiated a call to the Crows to begin Bryce Gibbs discussions".
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/920481135573925888
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TheGas: Why are Tigers sitting on their hands cos they won the flag surely they can find a way to improve list?
Ricky Nixon: Not sitting in hands when half our VFL team is better than 50% of those traded.
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot/status/920455111133900800
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Harley Balic has been secured by Melbourne on a one-year contract after the club sent pick No.66 to Fremantle.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-18/homesick-docker-harley-balic-gets-trade-wish-and-joins-dees
Harrison Wigg has been traded to Gold Coast in a deal that will see Adelaide get pick No.39 in this year's NAB AFL Draft.
The Crows have sent Wigg, pick No.54 and a future fourth-round selection to the Suns in exchange for pick No.39.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-18/suns-pounce-to-trade-for-versatile-crow-wigg
Geez...liked both these kids and they each went for a song....
EDIT: Actually only Balic went for a song.....probably overs for Wigg....
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If Carlton get pick 10 AND a first rounder next year in a very deep draft for an over-the-hill 29 next year Gibbs, Im going to stuffing spew. Apparently the deal didnt get done cause they wanted MORE!?
Lids might not be 2ce the player Gibbs is, but hes a bonafied match-winner.
This trade period is truly stuffed.
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Lids a match winner?
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Don't think we're getting pick 18 for Castagna. Or 36 for that matter.
And yet somehow Adelaide can trade Harry Wig for pick 39.
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If Carlton get pick 10 AND a first rounder next year in a very deep draft for an over-the-hill 29 next year Gibbs, Im going to stuffing spew. Apparently the deal didnt get done cause they wanted MORE!?
Lids might not be 2ce the player Gibbs is, but hes a bonafied match-winner.
This trade period is truly stuffed.
They're squabbling over later picks according to Ch 7 news tonight.
ps. I did laugh when Tom Browne said Adelaide not getting Gibbs this time last year cost them a flag. Yeah, because Gibbs is the epitome of pressure footy :pillowfight.
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On Schache:
Ricky Nixon reckons if Schache does get traded (which may not be so), it'll be a last minute 1:59pm deal tomorrow to Richmond.
Mark Stevens on Ch 7 however reckons it is the Bulldogs who are the likely destination if Schache is traded and Lin Jong's name has been thrown up as going up to Brisbane.
Throw in also that it's claimed Schache's manager has told clubs that his client won't be moving to their club unless $380k p.a. is on offer.
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ps. I did laugh when Tom Browne said Adelaide not getting Gibbs this time last year cost them a flag. Yeah, because Gibbs is the epitome of pressure footy :pillowfight.
On what I saw of the Crows in the Grand Final, I reckon Gibbs would be their toughest, hardest, most desperate player if he joined them.
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I can't believe Adelaide are giving Carlton a free hit like this. 2 first rounders is insane
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Yep, but it shows how desperate the Crows are doesn't it.
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Desperate or just dumb
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All of the above :lol
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Desperate or just dumb
I think Adelaide are playing it very smart.
Watch them get another first round pick for Cameron tomorrow giving them 5 first round picks for the next two drafts.
They get rid of two for Gibbs and Carltons second round pick next year and they still have one pick this year and potentially 3 picks in the top 25 for next years super draft which is touted to carry a head of good SA kids.
Not bad for a team who played in a GF this year....
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Desperate or just dumb
I think Adelaide are playing it very smart.
Watch them get another first round pick for Cameron tomorrow giving them 5 first round picks for the next two drafts.
They get rid of two for Gibbs and Carltons second round pick next year and they still have one pick this year and potentially 3 picks in the top 25 for next years super draft which is touted to carry a head of good SA kids.
Not bad for a team who played in a GF this year....
While losing 2 of their best 6 players, yeah genius
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On Schache:
Throw in also that it's claimed Schache's manager has told clubs that his client won't be moving to their club unless $380k p.a. is on offer.
If thats true then stuff him. You dont come across to a premiership side and demand overs. Half the blokes wearing medals are on less than that. I was still hoping we might snag this kid; remember hearing about him as a jr, but thats a joke.
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On Schache:
Throw in also that it's claimed Schache's manager has told clubs that his client won't be moving to their club unless $380k p.a. is on offer.
You dont come across to a premiership side and demand overs. Half the blokes and one topless sheila wearing medals are on less than that.
efa
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I can't believe Adelaide are giving Carlton a free hit like this. 2 first rounders is insane
SOS will just use the picks on some GWS NEAFL players anyway
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LOCK IT IN: Bryce Gibbs is an Adelaide Crows player
CROWS GET: Gibbs, 77, 2018 (rd2), 2018 (rd3)
BLUES GET: 10, 16, 73, 2018 (rd2)
https://twitter.com/traderadio
Confirmed here: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-19/gibbs-joins-crows-in-blockbuster-trade
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I just cannot believe it. Wow.
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Blues got away with a major heist there.
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Adelaide acting like a 13 year old and Dad just gave them a 50. Wasted their Lever payout. Dumb.
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SEN saying Bulldogs and Essendon are the two clubs going for Schache now. Dogs want to Lin Jong to be part of the trade but Jong doesn't want to go to Brisbane at this late notice. The Bombers want a 3-way trade: Schache to them; Francis to Adelaide; Cameron to Brisbane.
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Bombers loading up. They will do well if they get Smith, Saad, Stringer & Schache (the 4 S's)
Crows absolutely shafted re Gibbs deal.
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Desperate or just dumb
I think Adelaide are playing it very smart.
Watch them get another first round pick for Cameron tomorrow giving them 5 first round picks for the next two drafts.
They get rid of two for Gibbs and Carltons second round pick next year and they still have one pick this year and potentially 3 picks in the top 25 for next years super draft which is touted to carry a head of good SA kids.
Not bad for a team who played in a GF this year....
While losing 2 of their best 6 players, yeah genius
To be fair Cameron had one good game for the year, hardly an essential cog in there side and you'd have to say they were paid overs for Lever so it's not as if they pushed him out the door.
As it turns out Cameron is not a fine deal yet so as it stands they've lost Lever and there first round pick this year for Gibbs and 3 picks in the top 25 of next years super draft.
As I said, they've played it pretty smart IMO.....
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Here comes the pick swapping ...
Trade Paperwork Lodged:
WCoast trade R3 (50) and 2018 Rd 1 to GC Suns for Rd 2 (21), Rd2 (26), Rd 2 (37) and 2018 Rd2.
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
The Suns could now use that future first rounder to get Weller.
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Stringer deal done plus a few other lower profile trades.
Essendon get Stringer.
Bulldogs gets picks 25 & 30.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-19/stringer-finally-becomes-a-bomber
Freo get Nathan Wilson and the Giants' pick 71
GWS get pick 57 along with a 2018 future round two pick.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-19/dockers-finally-land-giant-target-wilson
CARLTON has traded pick No.95 away to land out-of-favour Port Adelaide ruckman Matthew Lobbe. [They took on his full current contract as well.]
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-19/contracted-power-ruckman-lobs-at-blues-lobbe
St Kilda get Port Adelaide backman Logan Austin + Port's 2018 fourth-round pick.
Port get the Saints' 2018 third-round selection.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-19/port-adelaides-austin-powers-off-to-saints
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SEN saying Richmond and Geelong have entered the 'contract zone'. They are assuming a trade of picks.
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SEN saying Richmond and Geelong have entered the 'contract zone'. They are assuming a trade of picks.
Here it is:
Richmond gain pick 53.
Geelong gain our 2018 future third rounder.
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane/status/920834554536984576
Apparently we are searching for more points to draft F/S Naish.
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Carlton trade On-Traded Rd1 (16) and Rd3 (40) to WBull for Rd2 (28), On-Traded Rd2 (30) and 2018 Future Rd2.
North Melbourne trade Sam Gibson to the Adelaide Crows for its Rd 5 selection (currently number 91).
Sydney trade Sam Murray, rd4 (currently 70) and its 2018 Future Rd3 to Collingwood for its 2018 Future Rd2.
Port Adelaide trade Aaron Young to GC Suns for its On-Traded (from Adelaide Crows) 2018 Round Four Selection.
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
SEN saying the Charlie Cameron deal to Brisbane has fallen over and he'll remain at Adelaide.
Everyone is still waiting on Ablett and Hodge deals.
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We've made a trade
Swapped picls with Geelong :rollin
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We've made a trade
Swapped picls with Geelong :rollin
The points we have from 52,53 and 55 gives us enough points to pick Naish if he is selected from 23 upwards.
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GWS Giants trade Matt Kennedy to Carlton for its On-Traded Rd2 selection (currently 28).
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
Ablett and Hodge deals done according to SEN.
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Yeah assuming that was the case (re: Naish points). Shame we don't get Schache, ah well.
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Hawthorn trade Luke Hodge and Rd3 (44) to Bris Lions for Rd3 (43) and Rd 5 (75).
Geelong trade Darcy Lang and 2018 Rd4 pick to Carlton for rd4 (58) and its 2018 Rd4 pick.
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
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We've made a trade
Swapped picls with Geelong :rollin
The points we have from 52,53 and 55 gives us enough points to pick Naish if he is selected from 23 upwards.
Clearly, we have two other kids in mind for our picks 15 & 17.
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GC Suns trade Gary Ablett, Rd2 (24) and 2018 Rd4 to Geelong for End rd1 compo (19) and 2018 Rd2.
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
20 mins to go.
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So much for SEN saying the Cameron deal fell over ::).
Adelaide trade Charlie Cameron to Bris Lions for its Rd1 pick (12).
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane/status/920842664785854464
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Lachie Weller will get done for pick 2.
Not sure if straight swap, but pick 2 will be involved, I'm reliably told
https://twitter.com/Nick_Bowen
Essendon's list manager just said on SEN they have no interest in Schache, while Aaron Francis will remain a Bomber.
Sam Landsberger from the Herald-Sun says the Bulldogs are still in discussion with Brisbane over Schache.
10 mins to go.
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Port Adelaide trade Rd 2 (34) on-traded and 2018 Rd4 On-Traded to StK for 2018 Rd2, Rd 4 (59) and Rd 4 (63).
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
2 mins to go.
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Gold Coast gain Lachie Weller for pick 2 + Brandon Matera to Freo.
https://twitter.com/MattThompson
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schache to bulldogs
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Fremantle trade Lachie Weller and its On-Traded Rd3 Selection (41) to GC Suns its Rd1 pick (2).
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
Bulldogs swap picks 25 and 40 for Josh Schache,
https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger
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Gold Coast gain Lachie Weller for pick 2 + Brandon Matera to Freo.
https://twitter.com/MattThompson
stuffing hell. Seriously?
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Gold Coast gain Lachie Weller for pick 2 + Brandon Matera to Freo.
https://twitter.com/MattThompson
stuffing hell. Seriously?
Massive overs is an understatement but any half-decent player who actually wants to go there is like gold (no pun intended) for them...same reason Brisbane gave up 12 for Cameron... :shh
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schache to bulldogs
They think they can make every Post a winner..... :shh
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Linked to the Weller deal:
GC Suns trade Brandon Matera to Fremantle for its 2018 Future Round Three Selection.
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Bris Lions trade J Schache to WBulldogs for on-traded rd 2 (25) and on-traded rd3 (40).
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
SEN saying some pick swaps still to come through the system.
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We've made another trade/swap of picks.
Richmond swap picks 15 & 52 for Brisbane's picks 20 & 25.
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
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We've made another trade/swap of picks.
Richmond swap picks 15 & 52 for Brisbane's picks 20 & 25.
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
So we now have picks 17, 20, 25, 53, 55, ...
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stupid.... seriously - stuff Naish..... :thumbsdown
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oh ffs you are kidding me
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All so we can get an overrated outside skinny flanker....Wallace & Miller would be proud.... :clapping
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so why the stuff didn't we just keep 15 and use that on him if we needed to. What is the strategy here, we don't want to trade for players and cunningly we trade away our best pick on top of that. This better be good. >:(
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20 and 25 for 17 is good business. At best we’ll have 3 picks inside the top 25 at worst we’ll have 2 and Naish. Better than just using 15 or 17 on naish
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We've made another trade/swap of picks.
Richmond swap picks 15 & 52 for Brisbane's picks 20 & 25.
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
So we now have picks 17, 20, 25, 53, 55, ...
You can see why they did it as it gives them greater flexibility given they obviously rate Naish.
If he was picked before 15 we would have to give up 15 and only have 17 and then 50something. Now we give up 17 and have picks 20, 25, 53,55 if he is picked before our pick. Also if he is not picked before 17 we have a huge number of options. Im not saying it is the correct call as I only know what I have read here about Naish but you can see why they have done it.
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so why the stuff didn't we just keep 15 and use that on him if we needed to. What is the strategy here, we don't want to trade for players and cunningly we trade away our best pick on top of that. This better be good. >:(
Must've got word there will be an ealy bid on Naish so now we can match that bid with 17 and still have two picks in the top 30 with20 & 25 instead of our next pick after him only being 52 I'd say .....
...which would be at odds with all the talk that we weren't going to match if there was a bid on him before ether of our firsts....
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20 and 25 for 17 is good business.
In a strong, deep draft maybe - in a weak, shallow draft and for the sake of a skinny flanker, I beg to differ...
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so why the stuff didn't we just keep 15 and use that on him if we needed to. What is the strategy here, we don't want to trade for players and cunningly we trade away our best pick on top of that. This better be good. >:(
Must've got word there will be an ealy bid on Naish so now we can match that bid with 17 and still have two picks in the top 30 with20 & 25 instead of our next pick after him only being 52 I'd say .....
...which would be at odds with all the talk that we weren't going to match if there was a bid on him before ether of our firsts....
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20 and 25 for 17 is good business.
In a strong, deep draft maybe - in a weak, shallow draft and for the sake of a skinny flanker, I beg to differ...
Is that you Claw ;D
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Our dynasty has been undermined already....next flag 2054..... :thumbsdown
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15 is worth 1112 points
52 is worth 246 points
In return we get
20 is worth 912 points
25 is worth 756 points
We made out like bandits and probably think who we want will still be available at a later pick
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NAISH Must be really poo if this joints anything to go by
never seen him play so i wouldnt know, but surely cant be that bad
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Can I suggest we wait for the draft before passing judgement. I am not sure as to what the clubs in front of us want (prior to 17) but I think Naish will most likely will get through to pick 20. I would consider Oscar Allen to be a really good fit for our forward line needs, competitive mark (yes not 200cm) but is a pressure beast and would really compliment Jack and the amigos. (Just my opinion guys, but I think moving 15 to 20+25 is a smart move).
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NAISH Must be really poo if this joints anything to go by
never seen him play so i wouldnt know, but surely cant be that bad
A quicker version of Corey Ellis, which essentially makes him a poor man's Menadue....
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FINAL TRADE
Port trade two separate on-traded 2018 Future Rd3 picks to NMelb for rd3 (46) and 2018 Future rd3.
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
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Great to see some negativity coming back to this forum, all this back slapping about winning the premiership was starting to make things a bit boring. :thumbsup
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Getting Lynch next year should help ease the pain.... :shh
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If they get naish for 25 when he woulda gone pick 13ish, and we only drop 2 spots in the draft, its probably an okay trade. Perhaps they feel their pick 15 target will slide anyway.
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can i just say i dont give a flying stuff who they pick up this year.
next year perhaps but this year im happy to sit back, put the feet up, continue to give poo to all other supporters i know throughout the summer, whilst i try and drink that great/rude draught beer
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I want more flags damn it......got the taste now.... (https://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_bounce.gif)
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Wonder if we have our eye on any DFA's? A few talls out there.... Spencer, Jacksh, Keefe, Griffin.......Hansen...........Clarke......
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Anyone else disappointing we didn't end up with Schache?
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You have to remember to if we have to match a bid with 17 pick 20 will come down a few spots because of remaining points if not we gain 3 picks in top 25 instead of 2 we had,one for Naish that is smart trading.I trust Balme our trade period worked well last year.
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Anyone else disappointing we didn't end up with Schache?
Schache - not really, Stringer - yes....
....and although not that annoyed about it... considering Melbourne only gave up pick 66 for Balic, also thought we could've offered one of our a picks in the 50's (and maybe Conca too) for him...
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So many clubs turned of Schache for a reason him and his management handling was poor we got burned with Yarran to.
Miles is good depth and may improve to.Go go the draft get two talls I'm happy.
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Pretty sure we turned off Schache cause his manager did a few things that really pee'd us off. Signing a contract mid year and then asking for 400k did the trick.
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Why clubs traded picks but not players
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
October 19, 2017 3:33 PM
THE FINAL day flurry of trades also included some deals that only involved draft picks without any players involved.
Here is our understanding of why those deals went down, as clubs eye extra points for this year's draft and next year's intake with father-son and academy picks coming through.
The trade
The Brisbane Lions receive a first-round draft selection (No.15 at the time of trade) and third-round draft selection (No.52 at the time of trade).
Richmond receives a second-round draft selection (No.20 at the time of trade) and on-traded second-round draft selection (No.25 at the time of trade).
Why?
This is likely to revolve around the prospects both clubs have available at this year's draft. By trading back their first pick, the Tigers now have No.17, 20 and 25 at their disposal – and a bid for father-son Patrick Naish seems likely to fall in that range. By moving up, the Lions could get their picks in before a bid comes for academy tall Connor Ballenden, meaning they can just use later selections to match that bid.
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The trade
Geelong receives a future third-round draft selection.
Richmond receives a third-round draft selection (No.53 at the time of trade).
Why?
The father-sons have to come into the clubs' thinking in this deal. Richmond has Naish – a wiry but talented midfielder from the Northern Knights – coming through this season and he could attract a top-20 bid. The Cats have Oscar Brownless, the son of Billy, eligible to join as a father-son pick next year.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-19/swap-central-why-clubs-traded-picks-but-not-players
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Tigers boost 2017 draft options
richmondfc.com.au
October 19, 2017 3:16 PM
Richmond completed two deals on the final day of the AFL’s 2017 trade period, both involving an exchange of picks with other league clubs in the upcoming national draft.
The Tigers received two second-round picks from Brisbane – No. 20 and No. 25 – in return for their first pick, No. 15, and a third-round selection, No. 52.
And the Club sent its 2018 third-round pick to Geelong in return for the Cats’ third-round selection this year, No. 53.
Richmond now has picks 17, 20, 25, 53, 55, 74, 92 and 110 in the 2017 national draft, which will take place on Friday, November 24 in Sydney.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-10-19/tigers-boost-2017-draft-options
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Anyone else disappointing we didn't end up with Schache?
No
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.Go go the draft get two talls I'm happy.
Will there be any decent talls left in the 20's?
I'm hoping we can at least grab Tom McCartin and I've heard he's on our radar, not sure he's worth a second rounder at this stage but he may not be there at 53 either....
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You have to remember to if we have to match a bid with 17 pick 20 will come down a few spots because of remaining points if not we gain 3 picks in top 25 instead of 2 we had,one for Naish that is smart trading.I trust Balme our trade period worked well last year.
Yes :clapping good results for mine :thumbsup
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Every year we hear it's a weak draft there is always sliders to.
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Our blueprint is currently more based around role players so finding a need and filling that need with a player who excels at a particular role. Other clubs may have different philosophies and look more for all round players. It essentially means that we may pick players more out of leftfield because they are specific to our needs and without being worldbeaters we can get them lower down in the draft, if a more credentialed player slides then even better.
The only time we do need the higher picks is when we have a need within our elite core of players which at the moment we don't.
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Strange trade period.
Schache and Stringer going for peanuts.
Cameron, Gibbs and Weller going for serious overs.
Would have liked RFC to take a shot at Stringer or Schache, but maybe they've met with them and decided they aren't the right people...
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Getting Lynch next year should help ease the pain.... :shh
As opposed to this year which you implied was a strong chance ;D
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So, in a nut shell. We have traded Deledio out for picks 20 and 25? After Lids's last three seasons i think that is a good trade. In the mean time it freed up a spot for Caddy. Looking over the trading periods of 2016/17 and our subsequent drafting then i think we have done very well.
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good trade, let's see how it all comes out in the national draft
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Getting Lynch next year should help ease the pain.... :shh
As opposed to this year which implied was a strong chance ;D
He was until -as I stated- GC decided they wanted next year's first as well as this year's....:shh
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Getting Lynch next year should help ease the pain.... :shh
As opposed to this year which implied was a strong chance ;D
He was until -as I stated- GC decided they wanted next year's first as well as this year's....:shh
GC were never going to trade him this year, new coach wouldnt allow it ;)
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Trust me, they were open to it.....they know they're up against it to keep him beyond next year - even if the AFL step in and offer him an "ambassador role"....... :shh
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Anyone for this guy in next years draft? Wow!!!!!!!!!
https://youtu.be/UAZXQxB0Uis
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Not unless we go from premiers to wooden spooners in one year, the AFL finds us "not guilty" of tanking like they did Melbourne and GC don't match our offer to Lynch.....
...or one of WC or more likely Freo finish last and Bolton has a breakout year then decides to go home and not walk into the PSD.... :shh
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You have to remember to if we have to match a bid with 17 pick 20 will come down a few spots because of remaining points if not we gain 3 picks in top 25 instead of 2 we had,one for Naish that is smart trading.I trust Balme our trade period worked well last year.
Yes :clapping good results for mine :thumbsup
yep. 3 picks of which youd expect at least 2 to make it as quality players to suit our needs. plus we held onto Miles which, may not seem like much but for me its a win for 2018.
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Anyone for this guy in next years draft? Wow!!!!!!!!!
https://youtu.be/UAZXQxB0Uis
Geez... :gobdrop
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That kid will be drafted to Brisbane or Gold Coast , then go back to SA in 2-4 years...Adelaide and Port licking their lips... :shh
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Dusty MkII right there, ready made superstar
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Simon black with speed
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Anyone for this guy in next years draft? Wow!!!!!!!!!
https://youtu.be/UAZXQxB0Uis
Only if we win the spoon. Amazing talent.
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Trade period verdict: How did your club fare?
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
19 October 2017
RICHMOND
In: Picks 20, 25, 53
Out: Picks 15, 52, 2018 third-round pick
Win: An improved hand at the draft for the premiers
Lose: Not much
2017 draft picks: 17, 20, 25, 53, 55, 74, 92, 110
What couldn't they get done? Keeping Anthony Miles was the club's preference after he explored opportunities. The Tigers didn't actively search for any other deals.
Nathan Schmook's verdict: The premiers were committed to taking a strong hand to the draft while positioning themselves strategically to cover a bid for father-son prospect Patrick Naish. On that score they have delivered, making sure they can use at least two picks in the top 25, keeping another to use on Naish if required. Ruled themselves out of the race for Schache early, which may have been a missed opportunity.
Rating: 7/10
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-19/trade-period-analysis-how-did-your-club-fare
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Anyone else disappointing we didn't end up with Schache?
Nah.
No one was really interested in him. Has to be a reason, not sure what it is......
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Anyone for this guy in next years draft? Wow!!!!!!!!!
https://youtu.be/UAZXQxB0Uis
Surely he's going to be one of the top picks? He's a beauty.
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The only problem I have is that we are pretty much backing in the talls we have to step up. Nankervis needs help and it ain't coming from Hampson, nor soldo anytime soon. So that leaves us with Griffiths
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Expert recruiter and list guru GARY BUCKENARA rates your club’s trade period.
RICHMOND
IN: Pick 20, pick 25, pick 53
OUT: Pick 15, pick 52, 2018 third-round pick
DRAFT PICKS: 17, 20, 25, 53, 55, 74, 92
GARY BUCKENARA SAYS: Not big players this year after securing Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy and Toby Nankervis last year but the Tigers have improved their draft position so that gets them a tick from me. No doubt pick Nos. 20 and 25 will be critical in securing father-son prospect Patrick Naish, who will more-than-likely attract a bid from a rival club in the first-round of November’s national draft. I was surprised Richmond didn’t pursue Josh Schache because another tall is a list need but bearing in mind the draft points equation for Naish, it makes sense. Schache would have cost them a pick or a couple of picks (or even a good player), which could have affected their ability to draft Naish.
GRADE: B
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/expert-recruiter-and-list-guru-gary-buckenara-rates-your-clubs-afl-trade-period/news-story/c8417bfda0c674c7d1e0b41e0a8adc77
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From Barrett's 'sliding doors' column:
RICHMOND
IF ......... you win a flag with a heap of more-than-handy fringe players who either didn't want to leave or have stayed on the list after failing to get adequate outside offers ...
THEN .... there's nothing wrong with not landing a big fish.
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ps. Barrett reckons Geelong only got pick 19 for Motlop because the AFL knew it would then get the Ablett trade done and they wanted to give their struggling expansion club Gold Coast another first round pick.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-20/sliding-doors-trade-period-the-washup
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Richmond lands three picks inside 25 after swap of picks to help secure father-son Patrick Naish
MICHAEL WARNER,
Herald Sun
October 20, 2017 9:00am
A SAVVY swap of picks has handed Richmond three draft selections inside 25 and extra points to land father-son prospect Patrick Naish.
The Tigers traded picks 15 and 52 for Brisbane’s 20 and 25 and sent next year’s third-round pick to Geelong in return for the Cats’ third-round selection this year (53).
“To have three picks inside the first 25 is a strong position and we feel a better outcome,” Richmond football talent manager Dan Richardson said.
“After the first 15 or so picks we think it’s a relatively even group of players up until about pick 30.”
Depending on interest from rival clubs, the Tigers could secure Naish as well as three draftees with picks 17, 20 and 25.
The Western Bulldogs loom as Richmond’s biggest concern in the race for Naish, a skilled outside midfielder from the Northern Knights.
Richardson said the Tigers did not seriously entertain trading for established players this year.
Midfielder Anthony Miles and mid-forward Sam Lloyd attracted some interest but are staying at Punt Rd.
Richmond’s hand at next month’s draft in Sydney is 17, 20, 25, 53, 55 and 74.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-lands-three-picks-inside-25-after-swap-of-picks-to-help-secure-fatherson-patrick-naish/news-story/a76ab646f7d1cb3c8af6f0605fbed947
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Not quite sure how you declare Miles is staying when he hasn't signed a new contract :huh3
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Think it's a pretty safe/obvious bet isn't it? Plus hasn't been out in the open there was a one year offer and Miles was happy to take it but wanted to look around first? Think his manager said as such
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Think it's a pretty safe/obvious bet isn't it? Plus hasn't been out in the open there was a one year offer and Miles was happy to take it but wanted to look around first? Think his manager said as such
Not necessarily
Doesn't have to sign anything and can still leave
A club could have said to his manager we want him at our club but don't want to give up anything (eg draft picks)
Get him through to the preseason draft and we will take him and it wont cost us anything
Until pen is put to paper he is still a chance to leave
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From Barrett's 'sliding doors' column:
RICHMOND
IF ......... you win a flag with a heap of more-than-handy fringe players who either didn't want to leave or have stayed on the list after failing to get adequate outside offers ...
THEN .... there's nothing wrong with not landing a big fish.
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ps. Barrett reckons Geelong only got pick 19 for Motlop because the AFL knew it would then get the Ablett trade done and they wanted to give their struggling expansion club Gold Coast another first round pick.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-20/sliding-doors-trade-period-the-washup
Not just that actually, By the AFL getting Gaz to the Cats they can now set up Lynch as an AFL ambassador and pay him a nice sum to keep him there.
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Think it's a pretty safe/obvious bet isn't it? Plus hasn't been out in the open there was a one year offer and Miles was happy to take it but wanted to look around first? Think his manager said as such
Not necessarily
Doesn't have to sign anything and can still leave
A club could have said to his manager we want him at our club but don't want to give up anything (eg draft picks)
Get him through to the preseason draft and we will take him and it wont cost us anything
Until pen is put to paper he is still a chance to leave
Very unlikely - These days the player and manager want a fair outcome for the club they are leaving and hence insist on a trade. Miles just wasn't high enough priority for another club to offer what we considered fair value.
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I'd almost guarantee he'll end up in the pre season draft with a 2-3 year offer
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Think it's a pretty safe/obvious bet isn't it? Plus hasn't been out in the open there was a one year offer and Miles was happy to take it but wanted to look around first? Think his manager said as such
Doesn't have to sign anything and can still leave
Until pen is put to paper he is still a chance to leave
Well duh but with the commentary from club and manager I think the safe bet is he will stay...
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Think it's a pretty safe/obvious bet isn't it? Plus hasn't been out in the open there was a one year offer and Miles was happy to take it but wanted to look around first? Think his manager said as such
Doesn't have to sign anything and can still leave
Until pen is put to paper he is still a chance to leave
Well duh but with the commentary from club and manager I think the safe bet is he will stay...
Really?
Thats why the HUN today is running a story today that the club "hope he stays loyal"
Also on Ch7 new laet night suggest a number of clubs are interested in him and no guarantee he will re-sign
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FWIW I heard that he is staying.... :shh (not my usual reliable source).
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Was lucky enough to meet Kane Lambert today at a friends baby shower (I can post a pick if you need proof)
Told me miles will be at the club next year and we are making a big play for a player next year he wouldn’t eleaborate who
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-trade-free-agency-and-list-management-watch-part-3.1179007/page-275#post-53170549
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That would be Tom Lynch.
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Nah it's JON
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That would be Tom Lynch.
He'll nominate Collingwood. They have the better list....
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That would be Tom Lynch.
He'll nominate Collingwood. They have the better list....
:lol
Touche
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AFL trade evaluation: Richmond
RealSport
by Jarrod Febbraio
Oct 29, 2017
Trade movements
To keep it short and sweet, the Tigers did nothing. A few late swaps of draft picks means that Richmond are looking quite good in terms of the upcoming draft, but in terms of players, there was barely any noise coming out of Tigerland. Maybe their list manager is still recovering from their grand final heroics, but can you blame them?
So what did Richmond actually do?
IN: Picks 20, 25, 53
OUT: Picks 15, 52, 2018 third round draft pick.
These late deals mean a great opportunity to improve their list at the draft, with three picks in the top 25. In terms of what they lost, they really lost nothing. Pick 15 may prove to unlock a 200 game player, but with three early picks, surely Richmond can get this right.
2017 draft order
Richmond have 17, 20, 25, 53, 55, 74, 92, 110 in the 2017 draft.
Three picks in the top 25 is a great return for a team who just won the grand final. For Tiger fans, it may seem good news to see Anthony Miles not leave the club, as he was the only player who was in talks to leave. Miles will accept the one year deal offered to him by the club, and Tiger fans will still feel that there could be a spot for him in the team. A near injury free season for Richmond meant the ball magnet struggled to find a spot in the 22, but next year could be very different.
In terms of players who were in talks to get to Richmond, there was not many. Josh Schache was probably the only player in this category, however Richmond seemed to lose interest quite early in the trade window.
Delistings
Richmond have also parted ways with some of their players who were out of favour and some who just weren’t good enough.
Taylor Hunt
Hunt became the scapegoat in his three years at Richmond, but his performances did not do him many favours. His poor kicking and bad decision making led to his delisting, and it is highly unlikely that he will end up at another AFL club.
Ben Lennon
Just 21 games in four seasons is not something that meets the eye if you are a recruiter, however Ben Lennon did show signs in these games that there is something to work with. Lennon’s biggest downfall was his clear intention to leave the club at the end last season, which led him to become out of favour at Tigerland. I think another club may take a chance with Lennon through the rookie draft. He was not offered a new contract by the Tigers.
Todd Elton
They say big men take a while to develop, but it may seem that Richmond didn’t give Elton the chance to develop. Coming out during the week and expressing that Elton thought he was about to enter his ‘prime’, there may be room for him on another list. Strong VFL form throughout the year shows that he may be at AFL standard.
Jake Batchelor
Jake Batchelor was a solid player for Richmond and at one point was a key member of the side. However, his bad disposal was the reason he was not offered a new contract by Richmond. He finished this season as the experienced head at the back of Richmond’s VFL team, but there may be a chance for him on another list.
Steven Morris
Morris was somewhat of a cult hero at Richmond and somebody they loved having around the club. His hardness at the footy was what all fans loved to see, even if he didn’t get much of the footy. He has been delisted by the Tigers, but has been offered a full time contract at Richmond VFL. Probably a good result for both parties.
Final Word and rating
Richmond clearly didn’t set the world alight, however they lost nobody and they gained picks that are better than what they originally had. Richmond also got rid of the players who simply were not good enough, leaving space for young new talent to come in. My only worry for the Tigers is the fact they brought in nobody where they could use another forward. They are the hunted now and teams will do their best to work out their every tactic. They say you must improve every season, we will see if Richmond have done enough to fit this mold. A positive window nonetheless.
Rating: B-
https://realsport101.com/news/sports/aussie-rules/afl-trade-evaluation-richmond/
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Todd Elton
They say big men take a while to develop, but it may seem that Richmond didn’t give Elton the chance to develop. Coming out during the week and expressing that Elton thought he was about to enter his ‘prime’, there may be room for him on another list. Strong VFL form throughout the year shows that he may be at AFL standard.
LOL. Didn't give him enough time to develop? Please. Strong VFL form? Please.
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Trent McKenzie anyone?
Worth a crack as delisted free agent?
Could be very damaging if he can regain his form.
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Trent McKenzie was one of the ones I really liked at the Suns early on. Thought he was a ripper and don’t know why he faded away. Great kick but not sure what else anymore. Doesn’t say much when you get delisted by the Suns.
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Trent McKenzie was one of the ones I really liked at the Suns early on. Thought he was a ripper and don’t know why he faded away. Great kick but not sure what else anymore. Doesn’t say much when you get delisted by the Suns.
Agree. I read somewhere here that he's good mates with Tom Lynch. From memory that comment was followed by a :shh so Dio can confirm that ;D
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Would take McKenzie alot of upside
Delisted FA starts tomorrow
Interesting times ahead
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I don't want to downplay the idea, but where would we see McKenzie fitting in to our team?
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CHF kicking 60m bombs all day :thumbsup
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Apart from kicking, can Mckenzie do anything else? Looked good early on, but once sides picked up he was the release player he got shut down pretty quick and didnt seem to be able to get through that
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CHF kicking 60m bombs all day :thumbsup
We already have one thanks
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Isn’t he best mates with LYNCH?
That is a enough in itself to get him down for 2 years, if he comes good bonus!!
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People bang on about our dearth of KPF's & rucks but our KPD depth is virtually non-existent....at the moment it's basically only Garthwaite & Chol......and drafting the likes of Balta or Carravino isn't going to change that uness they're another Jacob Weitering....which is why one or two out of of Collins, McKenzie & Beasely would be handy... :shh