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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 🏅Dooks on February 25, 2017, 11:41:15 AM
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Assuming everyone is fit.
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I don't know if Nank is good or whether we are so used to having crap rucks stocks that he looks better than he actually is. Either way my vote is Nank.
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Unfit Nank, Cooked Maric > fit Hamspud...
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They will play two ruckman this year due to the rule changes
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They will play two ruckman this year due to the rule changes
Thats not what this thread is about.
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Hampson still is, like it or not, don't get all excited after one pre season game...
Nank will obviously take the no.1 mantle IF he progresses well enough and EARNS the spot. Until then its Hampson!
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Honestly it didn't even take the whole practice game to see the bleeding obvious.
One quarter max and that was it.
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They will play two ruckman this year due to the rule changes
Thats not what this thread is about.
They will both share the role
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Nank showed more in one game than any of our big man showed last year. The game has gone past just a tap ruckman.
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They will play two ruckman this year due to the rule changes
Thats not what this thread is about.
They will both share the role
Please stay on topic.
Your question is irrelevant.
We play two ruckmen and who plays more game time or who plays more time in the middle will depend on the opposition.
:cheers
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Nank showed more in one game than any of our big man showed last year. The game has gone past just a tap ruckman.
Couldn't agree more it was heartening to watch Nank tap and then physically follow through rather than resting with his hands on his knees
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Nank showed more in one game than any of our big man showed last year. The game has gone past just a tap ruckman.
Couldn't agree more it was heartening to watch Nank tap and then physically follow through rather than resting with his hands on his knees
He rests his hands on his knees as he doubles as a speccy bag
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Nankervis easily yes based on way praccy game
He plays with aggression, something sadly lacking last season.
Was also happy with Maric's game, nice to have some footy smarts in the middle. Also had some leap back
If they intending to play 2 ruckman, and everyone is fit. Then IMO you play Nankervis and Maric
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Nankervis easily yes based on way praccy game
He plays with aggression, something sadly lacking last season.
Was also happy with Maric's game, nice to have some footy smarts in the middle. Also had some leap back
If they intending to play 2 ruckman, and everyone is fit. Then IMO you play Nankervis and Maric
Now WP, you cannot be serious. Every year you go on about players earning their spot, particularly at this time of the year. Nank has had one practice game and Maric was completely shot last year, the game he came back for was an embarrassment to himself. So how do you pick him over Hampson, really? Be consistent at the very least.
Nank and Hampson yes, provided Hampson can get fit before round one, but Maric, this early, based on......... really?
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but Hampson, at all, based on .....really?
being "the best option" in a year when your competition was a paper mache man, a bloke who no aerobic capacity and old man plagued by injury is hardly earning your spot, now, is it?
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Nankervis easily yes based on way praccy game
He plays with aggression, something sadly lacking last season.
Was also happy with Maric's game, nice to have some footy smarts in the middle. Also had some leap back
If they intending to play 2 ruckman, and everyone is fit. Then IMO you play Nankervis and Maric
Now WP, you cannot be serious. Every year you go on about players earning their spot, particularly at this time of the year. Nank has had one practice game and Maric was completely shot last year, the game he came back for was an embarrassment to himself. So how do you pick him over Hampson, really? Be consistent at the very least.
Nank and Hampson yes, provided Hampson can get fit before round one, but Maric, this early, based on......... really?
Turn it up :facepalm Hampson is an absolute liability and weve been saying it for eons..
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Hampson still is, like it or not, don't get all excited after one pre season game...
Nank will obviously take the no.1 mantle IF he progresses well enough and EARNS the spot. Until then its Hampson!
Hampson hasn't progressed well enough in 10 years at senior level to earn a mantle of even being a back up ruckman so what gives him any entitlement to being a number 1 ruckman at any AFL club let alone Richmond. :huh
Big Ivvy, AA nominated, 3rd B&F - as WP clearly posted, his issue has been one of fitness, not capability. Hampson is the opposite.
Nank is a bloke you just play given his age and obvious development potential.
Hampson is simply a dead weight, the flotsam jetsam in a competition that subsidises mediocrity by having 4 too many clubs in its make up.
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Now WP, you cannot be serious. Every year you go on about players earning their spot, particularly at this time of the year. Nank has had one practice game and Maric was completely shot last year, the game he came back for was an embarrassment to himself. So how do you pick him over Hampson, really? Be consistent at the very least.
Nank and Hampson yes, provided Hampson can get fit before round one, but Maric, this early, based on......... really?
Nankervis has mongrel, Maric has footy smarts.
On Friday evening if Maric didn't jump he easily nullified the Adel ruckman with good body positioning and footy smarts.
Nankervis in one pre season game showed more aggression and imposed more on a contest than Hampson. He crashed packs, he chased, hell he even tackled and took more than one contested mark
There is old saying "built like Tarzan plays like Jane". People whack Griffiths, and in the past Vickery for this. Hampson is the same. He is a reasonable tap ruckman (no where near elite) bur for his size he doesn't impose himself. Yes he was reasonable last season but what other options did we have?
And on that alone I'd have the other 2 if fit ahead of him every time
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Teams that have played us in the past relish the chance because we play bruise free footy. Nank the tank changes this with his aggression and competitiveness. Add big bodies like Caddy and Prestia and suddenly the opposition have a contest on their hands when it comes to physicality.
Hampson provides zero mongrel. He may be useful in nullifying the super tall guys from other teams but that's about it.
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Now WP, you cannot be serious. Every year you go on about players earning their spot, particularly at this time of the year. Nank has had one practice game and Maric was completely shot last year, the game he came back for was an embarrassment to himself. So how do you pick him over Hampson, really? Be consistent at the very least.
Nank and Hampson yes, provided Hampson can get fit before round one, but Maric, this early, based on......... really?
Nankervis has mongrel, Maric has footy smarts.
On Friday evening if Maric didn't jump he easily nullified the Adel ruckman with good body positioning and footy smarts.
Nankervis in one pre season game showed more aggression and imposed more on a contest than Hampson. He crashed packs, he chased, hell he even tackled and took more than one contested mark
There is old saying "built like Tarzan plays like Jane". People whack Griffiths, and in the past Vickery for this. Hampson is the same. He is a reasonable tap ruckman (no where near elite) bur for his size he doesn't impose himself. Yes he was reasonable last season but what other options did we have?
And on that alone I'd have the other 2 if fit ahead of him every time
So have they earned their spot for round 1? Already???
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Now WP, you cannot be serious. Every year you go on about players earning their spot, particularly at this time of the year. Nank has had one practice game and Maric was completely shot last year, the game he came back for was an embarrassment to himself. So how do you pick him over Hampson, really? Be consistent at the very least.
Nank and Hampson yes, provided Hampson can get fit before round one, but Maric, this early, based on......... really?
Nankervis has mongrel, Maric has footy smarts.
On Friday evening if Maric didn't jump he easily nullified the Adel ruckman with good body positioning and footy smarts.
Nankervis in one pre season game showed more aggression and imposed more on a contest than Hampson. He crashed packs, he chased, hell he even tackled and took more than one contested mark
There is old saying "built like Tarzan plays like Jane". People whack Griffiths, and in the past Vickery for this. Hampson is the same. He is a reasonable tap ruckman (no where near elite) bur for his size he doesn't impose himself. Yes he was reasonable last season but what other options did we have?
And on that alone I'd have the other 2 if fit ahead of him every time
So have they earned their spot for round 1? Already???
:facepalm Effing yes.
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Now WP, you cannot be serious. Every year you go on about players earning their spot, particularly at this time of the year. Nank has had one practice game and Maric was completely shot last year, the game he came back for was an embarrassment to himself. So how do you pick him over Hampson, really? Be consistent at the very least.
Nank and Hampson yes, provided Hampson can get fit before round one, but Maric, this early, based on......... really?
Nankervis has mongrel, Maric has footy smarts.
On Friday evening if Maric didn't jump he easily nullified the Adel ruckman with good body positioning and footy smarts.
Nankervis in one pre season game showed more aggression and imposed more on a contest than Hampson. He crashed packs, he chased, hell he even tackled and took more than one contested mark
There is old saying "built like Tarzan plays like Jane". People whack Griffiths, and in the past Vickery for this. Hampson is the same. He is a reasonable tap ruckman (no where near elite) bur for his size he doesn't impose himself. Yes he was reasonable last season but what other options did we have?
And on that alone I'd have the other 2 if fit ahead of him every time
So have they earned their spot for round 1? Already???
:facepalm Effing yes.
After one practice game... :lol :lol :lol.!
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Will be interesting to see if Hampson plays in the next pre-season game. Lets hope he does, it would be nice to have 3 ruckmen competing for a spot come round one instead of having to play only what we have.
I still don't think Maric should line up though.
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Nankervis took more than one contested mark
Took 3 (+1 called push in the back). Twice as many as Hampsons season average that somehow holds him in position for no.1 ruckman :lol.
On another note, it was nice to see some taps go directly to our own players not the opposition.
On another-nother note, I don't think we will be played 2 genuine ruckman this year. Not sure what rule changes would make that seem like a good idea and if I hear the 3rd man up rule then I'll berate you like the idiot you are
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If he is aggressive, mobile, takes a mark and can ruck decent he is our number 1.
Have to consider playing him with or without Hampson, but can't afford not to play him.
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If he can stand upright he is our number 1
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If he can stand upright he is our number 1
What if we propped Hampson up with one of these?
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/0RIeyGLOdbWLoueccd53ZRaY3DRQI8kpWNtbtzhbRM5eZBHzkrMdP_IJf25i-9RxTVFhg0bMWVCN5FYMLjROdpFUf5Ov1fb36NCNbxK_ULVmaETABxFkeAP6xWy3zez0hCqkUHXeHcbtZYWz8QmiDhBr4Sov2uSch9a5ZED1hAjnC-wgWvqEgUNoL28s84DmkNEgRmj1=w300-h300-nc)
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If he can stand upright he is our number 1
What if we propped Hampson up with one of these?
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/0RIeyGLOdbWLoueccd53ZRaY3DRQI8kpWNtbtzhbRM5eZBHzkrMdP_IJf25i-9RxTVFhg0bMWVCN5FYMLjROdpFUf5Ov1fb36NCNbxK_ULVmaETABxFkeAP6xWy3zez0hCqkUHXeHcbtZYWz8QmiDhBr4Sov2uSch9a5ZED1hAjnC-wgWvqEgUNoL28s84DmkNEgRmj1=w300-h300-nc)
He would probably enjoy that.
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3. Richmond's ruck dilemma
The Tigers were trounced in the ruck, the Lions dominating the hit-outs 53 to 20. Stefan Martin had 52 hit-outs alone. Toby Nankervis was handy around the ground with 11 disposals, but was often untidy with his disposal. Richmond persisted with using the undersized Shaun Grigg in contests in its forward line (despite the presence of Todd Elton), virtually conceding the hit-out and relying on its players to read Martin's tap. It was used with little success, and the Tigers will be sweating on the fitness of Ben Griffiths after his concussion two weeks ago.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-16/five-talking-points-brisbane-lions-v-richmond
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Says how little hit outs matter. Rucks are bulllocking machines these days that can take a pack mark and impose their bulk.
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Honestly would like to see Hampson as main ruck and Nankervis forward/ruck relief.
Maybe 3Q ruck Hampson and 1Q forward, reverse for Nank.
Obviously depending on who we're playing.
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Honestly would like to see Hampson as main ruck and Nankervis forward/ruck relief.
Maybe 3Q ruck Hampson and 1Q forward, reverse for Nank.
Obviously depending on who we're playing.
Agree
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Right now Hampson is on the LTI list so WHY are you even talking about him?
I say Nankervis is our number 1 ruck by a mile but he needs help by someone who can do more than just tap the ball. I say Soldo to help him or even Chol but the latter needs more physical development.
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I'd rather not see Hampson again in our seniors. Is occasionally decent as a tap ruckman and can float in for the occasional mark but occasionally good efforts don't win games. He's just not good enough to play AFL at a consistently acceptable standard.
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Honestly would like to see Hampson as main ruck and Nankervis forward/ruck relief.
Maybe 3Q ruck Hampson and 1Q forward, reverse for Nank.
Obviously depending on who we're playing.
Agree
Lol you two are fried fillets
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Hammer back running 👍
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Nothing like a good troll is there
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Hammer back running 👍
You rate all of our duds.
I find it hard to take you seriously.
Fair enough you like Grigg or Houli or Hunt or even BEllis and Hampson but to like them all seems a bit weird.
Anyway knock yourself out. 👍
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👍👍 :thumbsup
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Honestly would like to see Hampson as main ruck and Nankervis forward/ruck relief.
Maybe 3Q ruck Hampson and 1Q forward, reverse for Nank.
Obviously depending on who we're playing.
Amazing ,we finally get a good ruck and posters want to ship him out.
Champion Data has him elite this year. Around 39% HOTA, lots of disposals, intercept marks (I think no 1 in AFL) clearances and disposals.
And you want to replace that with Hampson FMD!!
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Honestly would like to see Hampson as main ruck and Nankervis forward/ruck relief.
Maybe 3Q ruck Hampson and 1Q forward, reverse for Nank.
Obviously depending on who we're playing.
Amazing ,we finally get a good ruck and posters want to ship him out.
Champion Data has him elite this year. Around 39% HOTA, lots of disposals, intercept marks (I think no 1 in AFL) clearances and disposals.
And you want to replace that with Hampson FMD!!
Some people enjoy wallowing in the mire
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Nope, can just see that clearly Nank is less effective vs premier rucks. Will lower his colours to taller blokes or ones who can jump.
Like I said, depending on the opposition, would be interested to see them both in the side and how it works.
Consider Nank in the F50? Is an excellent mark and kick. Otherwise we'll keep fooling around with Griffiths and Elton no doubt...
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You're forgetting one crucial detail - Hamspud is complete shyte and can't actually play football....
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Let's go back to winning a few taps (which hardly go to advantage) and conceding a position on the field with a player who hardly kicks goals, lays tackles or takes marks around the ground and stands there with his hands on his hips. Brilliant :clapping
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Nope, can just see that clearly Nank is less effective vs premier rucks. Will lower his colours to taller blokes or ones who can jump.
Like I said, depending on the opposition, would be interested to see them both in the side and how it works.
Consider Nank in the F50? Is an excellent mark and kick. Otherwise we'll keep fooling around with Griffiths and Elton no doubt...
Wow.
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Well what about Soldo main ruck with Nanks relieving/roaming CHF?
Comments?
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Let's go back to winning a few taps (which hardly go to advantage) and conceding a position on the field with a player who hardly kicks goals, lays tackles or takes marks around the ground and stands there with his hands on his hips. Brilliant :clapping
Sounds like your man Griff you so desperately want back in the side. Brilliant :wallywink
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Let's go back to winning a few taps (which hardly go to advantage) and conceding a position on the field with a player who hardly kicks goals, lays tackles or takes marks around the ground and stands there with his hands on his hips. Brilliant :clapping
Sounds like your man Griff you so desperately want back in the side. Brilliant :wallywink
I'd take a number of players before Griff and Elton but you'd have to be a complete stuffwit to think any of Chol, Moore or Soldo is going to get a game before them two. So I guess you probably believe it, ey? Oh well, you keep believing whatever it is you want to twist that conversation into. Enjoy having Elton not contributing in the ruck or the forward line :wallywink
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Griffiths is the second coming of Paul Salmon compared to Hamspud...
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Griffiths is the second coming of Paul Salmon compared to Hamspud...
Haven't you been listening to Big Note? It's Elton or nada. If you disagree then you must think Griff is a superstar and want him straight back in the team
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Nankervis has been huge. People talk up Ordinary efforts like Caddy's as the reason why Martin and Cotchin have got better. The main reason is this big fella straight after a ruck contest his follow up work has been huge.
Still not sold that he can play fwd he can drift fwd as a ruckman and kick the odd goal.His gretest asset to us is virtually as another big inside mid.
On Elton and Griffiths both should be given the flick.Though I am happy for them to give Elton a few more opportunities he has not had many over the yrs would rather see if the 6 gamer can improve instead of the what 70 gamer.
I still argue why not Chol he showed a fair bit of promise in the off season game he got and i believe he has done okay in the ressies as well.
We are winning games atm playing Griffiths and Elton has not cost us too much so why not Chol as well.
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Grigg
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Griffiths is the second coming of Paul Salmon compared to Hamspud...
Haven't you been listening to Big Note? It's Elton or nada. If you disagree then you must think Griff is a superstar and want him straight back in the team
Grow up mate.... You sound stupid.
Just enjoy the Tigers and stop being such a massive flog. :wallywink
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Big Nank laid seven tackles, I usually have to wait a season for our ruckman to get that many
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haha yeah
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Loved his chase where he showed some serious leg speed and then laid 2 big tackles to lock it up, what a play.. and let's not forget he's only played about 20 games!!!
Love the tank
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I'm sure his stats would have him in the upper echelon of Ruckmen so far this season. Such a relief to have him.
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Loving Nankers. Not the prettiest player going around but just love when he pops up when you don't expect it, taking a mark in defence, crashing a pack, laying a tackle etc.
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If we could find a taller ruck, Nank would be great at CHF.
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If we could find a taller ruck, Nank would be great at CHF.
Soldo :thumbsup
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If we could find a taller ruck, Nank would be great at CHF.
Soldo :thumbsup
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Nope for mine as a CHF, definitely keep him in the ruck where he adds so much
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Hampson is still a better tap ruckman.
Nankervis is still on honeymoon at the club.
By round 15 he'll be on par or ball park with Ty Esler or Robert Schaefer.
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Hampson is still a better tap ruckman.
Nankervis is still on honeymoon at the club.
By round 15 he'll be on par or ball park with Ty Esler or Robert Schaefer.
:lol
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Finally have a decent ruckman so the obvious decision is to now move him to CHF :lol
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Finally have a decent ruckman so the obvious decision is to now move him to CHF :lol
It makes perfect sense doesn't it