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Richmond makes opening offer to gun on-baller Dustin Martin
February 28, 2017 5:08pm
Jake Niall
@jakeniallfox
Source: FOX SPORTS
RICHMOND has offered gun midfielder and free agent Dustin Martin a significant long-term contract, believed to be worth close to $800,000 a season.
The contract offer has the Tigers well-placed to retain the explosive Martin, who is understood to have been offered a deal of at least four years.
As a restricted free agent, Martin can field offers from other clubs this year, but the Tigers have acted swiftly to prevent any auction — and the distraction of a prolonged impasse — by making a strong offer for the highly talented Martin, who, at 25, is entering his prime years.
Outside of Fremantle champion and skipper Nat Fyfe, Martin is the highest profile free agent in the AFL in 2017.
Martin is the only elite player at Richmond who is coming out of contract this year. The Tigers have key forward Jack Riewoldt signed until the end of 2019 and their premier defender Alex Rance signed a four-year deal in 2015 that also has him secured until the end of 2019.
The Tigers have been impressed with the development of Martin, whom the club has carefully nurtured and protected, in the knowledge that he has had off-field concerns — to the point that he has been considered for a spot in the leadership group.
Lately, Martin has been dealing with the issue of his father Shane’s deportation to New Zealand, with Dustin making a plea to allow his father to return to Australia during a television interview on Channel 9 last week.
Martin finished third in the Brownlow Medal last season and has become a far more valued player than he was when he came out of contract in 2013 — he found it difficult to find another club willing to take him on at the asking price — before he re-signed with the Tigers.
Trent Cotchin is set to retain the captaincy at Tigerland, while Riewoldt is likely to be brought back into the club’s leadership group when the club completes the process of electing its on-field leaders.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-makes-opening-offer-to-gun-onballer-dustin-martin/news-story/df0b0285036113363a7197096749929f
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 reckons Dusty will wait until the end of the season before saying yes or no.
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I reckon he has already bought his one way ticket to NZ
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Gone.... :shh
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I reckon he has already bought his one way ticket to NZ
Na, he has joined the army.
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I reckon he has already bought his one way ticket to NZ
Na, he has joined the army.
And a bikie gang. :shh
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I reckon he has already bought his one way ticket to NZ
Na, he has joined the army.
And a bikie gang. :shh
:lol
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Goneski.
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I reckon he has already bought his one way ticket to NZ
Na, he has joined the army.
And a bikie gang. :shh
:lol
In NZ
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I think he stays :cheers
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I reckon he has already bought his one way ticket to NZ
Na, he has joined the army.
And a bikie gang. :shh
:lol
In NZ
:bow The winner. A military bikie gang in NZ. Bloody obvious now! :clapping
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Not sure.
If it were me I'd just like to play for a team with direction, and I feel like we've been sitting in the same place for 3 seasons until this off season wee finally made changes but everyone below us has passed us now.
I just hope he stays
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800 seems fair, what compensation do we get if he goes?
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800 seems fair, what compensation do we get if he goes?
None as he is joining the Maori army
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If he is going, he will head for Freo for 3.4 mill a year for 5 years.
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If he is going, he will head for Freo for 3.4 mill a year for 5 years.
Which is under Richmond's offer.
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If he is going, he will head for Freo for 3.4 mill a year for 5 years.
Which is under Richmond's offer.
interesting, you are obviously a mathematician
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If he is going, he will head for Freo for 3.4 mill a year for 5 years.
Which is under Richmond's offer.
interesting, you are obviously a mathematician
Oh ok, so it is 3.4m A YEAR over 5 years? Not 3.4 million over 5 years?
interesting, you are obviously a comedian
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If he is going, he will head for Freo for 3.4 mill a year for 5 years.
Which is under Richmond's offer.
interesting, you are obviously a mathematician
Oh ok, so it is 3.4m A YEAR over 5 years? Not 3.4 million over 5 years?
interesting, you are obviously a comedian
obviously
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If he is going, he will head for Freo for 3.4 mill a year for 5 years.
Which is under Richmond's offer.
interesting, you are obviously a mathematician
Oh ok, so it is 3.4m A YEAR over 5 years? Not 3.4 million over 5 years?
interesting, you are obviously a comedian
obviously
Serious question, do you think if Dusty leaves that he is going to Freo for $3.4m a season?
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800 seems fair, what compensation do we get if he goes?
Depends on how he leaves. If we don't match the offer he signs with another club we'd get a pick compensation (likely mid-early first round).
If we DO match the offer we have to trade with the club he wants to go to - probably for something close to what we'd get as a pick compensation.
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800 seems fair, what compensation do we get if he goes?
Depends on how he leaves. If we don't match the offer he signs with another club we'd get a pick compensation (likely mid-early first round).
If we DO match the offer we have to trade with the club he wants to go to - probably for something close to what we'd get as a pick compensation.
If we don't match it will be a pick after our first pick in the draft. If we match his offer and trade we would be mad to not ask for a similar early first rounder plus another decent pick or player
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Martin for Kelly from GWS...get it done .....
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If he is going, he will head for Freo for 3.4 mill a year for 5 years.
Why do you think Freo. I would assume if he changes clubs he'll remain in Victoria... maybe Sydney
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If he is going, he will head for Freo for 3.4 mill a year for 5 years.
:lol
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If he is going, he will head for Freo for 3.4 mill a year for 5 years.
Why do you think Freo. I would assume if he changes clubs he'll remain in Victoria... maybe Sydney
For 17 million bucks, I'd do it.
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If he is going, he will head for Freo for 3.4 mill a year for 5 years.
Why do you think Freo. I would assume if he changes clubs he'll remain in Victoria... maybe Sydney
right now Freo will throw squillions to anyone to get them across just so they feel like we do with getting Prestia
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If we get outbid at 800 grand we should get a bloody good compo. pick..... :shh
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If he is going, he will head for Freo for 3.4 mill a year for 5 years.
Why do you think Freo. I would assume if he changes clubs he'll remain in Victoria... maybe Sydney
right now Freo will throw squillions to anyone to get them across just so they feel like we do with getting Prestia
3.4 mill a year aint right Flash. Would put him as the highest paid player by at least 2.2 mill per year
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DUSTY DEAL - IS IT REAL?
Hoping Dustin Martin will re-sign soon? Don't get your hopes up, Tiger fans.
That's the message from Tim Watson, who says he has good mail that Martin wants to hold off on talks about a new contract - despite reports that Richmond has tabled an offer worth about $800,000 a year.
"My information on that is that he will not sign until the end of the year. Forget about there being a signature anywhere for six months," Watson said on SEN.
"It’s not an unreasonable thing to do, to just wait and see how this season unfolds for him at Richmond."
But co-host Anthony Hudson says he is backing Martin to put pen to paper "within six weeks."
Watch this space.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia/news-story/f8294d43a5da57d5385629486a7cd0c3
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Why the hell would he sign on until he knew it was worth sticking around?
Club going backwards on-field. Lids saw the light...
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The Tigers continue to work away on Dustin Martin’s contract, with the free agent still emphatic he will wait until year’s end to consider their offer.
Whether they can break down that will with a contract big enough to tempt him remains to be seen.
But a strong start to the season would clearly help negotiations given Martin is seen to be desperate to win premierships in coming years.
The Tigers’ decision to trade Brett Deledio and the retirement of Chris Yarran will save the Tigers cash they can use with Martin’s deal.
Richmond is still paying a chunk of Deledio’s contract at GWS but have an extra first-round pick in this year’s draft through that trade.
Coach Damien Hardwick said last week the club was doing a “truckload” of work to keep Martin.
“Three years ago clubs would’ve probably seen it as a distraction but I think players are that professional now,” Hardwick said.
“Dustin is the ultimate professional, he’ll go about his business, he plays some really good footy, he trains hard.
“Whatever happens in the modern era we’re in, happens.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/daniel-rioli-ready-to-sign-a-new-deal-to-remain-at-richmond/news-story/62b5de087c225fe06ababc3c40270df1
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Just pee him off. Not worth the hassle off field and his manager is a stuffen oxygen thief.
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.....But a strong start to the season would clearly help negotiations given Martin is seen to be desperate to win premierships in coming years.
If he is so desperate to win premierships then the best club to go to is GWS
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.....But a strong start to the season would clearly help negotiations given Martin is seen to be desperate to win premierships in coming years.
If he is so desperate to win premierships then the best club to go to is GWS
Honestly, what footballer would not be desperate for a premiership?
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.....But a strong start to the season would clearly help negotiations given Martin is seen to be desperate to win premierships in coming years.
If he is so desperate to win premierships then the best club to go to is GWS
Honestly, what footballer would not be desperate for a premiership?
Half the plodders in our team who just want their paycheck and a spot in some teams best 22. Ellis, Griffiths, Houli, Hampson et al
No hunger. No desire.
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Ty's advice for Dusty: Don't rush your decision
Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
March 2, 2017
NEW HAWK Ty Vickery would love to play alongside former Richmond teammate Dustin Martin again, but says the free agent shouldn't rush a decision on his future.
In just a few short months Vickery has learnt what it's like to switch clubs, providing him with a unique perspective on Martin's big decision.
Martin is out of contract at season's end and he will qualify a restricted free agent.
Last October, Vickery used free agency to secure a move from Richmond to Hawthorn.
The 26-year-old has joined star recruits Jaeger O'Meara and Tom Mitchell in a refreshed Hawthorn line up.
And while the Hawks have runs on the board when it comes to luring top talent, securing Martin could be their greatest coup yet.
"I'd love to play with him again obviously," Vickery told AFL.com.au.
By Vickery's own admission, his move was a mutual parting of ways, but the Tigers are desperate to keep Martin.
"He doesn't need to rush into a decision, he's got 8-10 months until his contract expires," Vickery said.
"I'm sure he's got a lot of good people around him advising him and he'll make the right decision."
Vickery, whose own future was the subject of numerous headlines throughout 2016, says a player facing the prospect of a move has to block out the noise.
"There'll be a lot of media speculation the longer it goes, but the reality is that doesn't really mean anything," he said.
"He's just such a talented midfielder and forward and a really good kid.
"Wherever he goes, or (if he stays), he's going to do well.
"He's a really good teammate and Richmond are really lucky to have him, and they know that."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-02/tys-advice-for-dusty-dont-rush-your-decision
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The standard report by an ex-tiger. Should be filed in the Gus I am going to kill it now that I am traning hard with the Crows file
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Get stuffed Ty
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There has never been a free agent as restricted as Ty ... ::)
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nah he was a 'limited' free agent. Limited value.
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Hardwick working hard to keep Dusty off free agency table
AFL.com.au
March 5, 2017
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick hopes creating an environment at Punt Road Oval where Dustin Martin can reach his full potential will be enough to convince the star midfielder to stay.
But the coach concedes he doesn't know how or when the club champion's latest round of contract negotiations will end as he enters 2017 as one of the game's hottest free agents.
"My job is to be there for Dustin and make sure he can be the best player he can be," Hardwick told AFL.com.au.
"How it ends, I'm not too sure, but in saying that I'd like to think our footy club has been a great place for Dustin to be.
"The environment we're in lends itself to free agency and that's the way it is, but I think the relationship our football club has with Dustin is very strong."
Martin signed his last contract – a two-year extension – in February 2015, but his 2013 negotiations dragged into September, weeks before that deal expired.
Richmond's negotiations with Martin's manager, Ralph Carr, are being led by list manager Dan Richardson and football chief Neil Balme.
Hardwick said he was not receiving rolling updates on the talks and did not need to set a deadline for his midfielder to declare his intentions.
"You always want to get a fair indication where things are at with all players," he said.
"(But) take Dustin out of the equation from a list management point of view, it's a bit fluid in a way.
"It'll happen when it happens. It's not something I continually worry about every night."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-05/damien-hardwick-on-dustin-martins-contract
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Was very touchy when asked about it today by the media.
Choco getting involved as well.
Shouldn't have fired choco is my thoughts.
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Was very touchy when asked about it today by the media.
Yep but until he signs he's going to be asked about every time he does a presser
Goes with the territory.
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Agree and so he should be asked
However, every time he behaves like today, the momentum will build with the questioning and innuendo
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He needs to adopt a pat answer to these questions a bit like that bloke in the States, "Beast Mode"
A possible response could be "at this stage, I have no answer to that question" and just keep repeating this line for every question asked on the subject. If nothing else could be entertaining.
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Dustin Martin bounces out of press conference after contract questions
Andrew Tate
The Age
8 March 2017
Dustin Martin joined his former coach Mark Williams at the MCG on Wednesday to launch a new football that doesn't have a pointy end - which is pretty much how the pair left questions regarding the Tigers' ongoing contract discussions.
Williams' is promoting his new "precision" Sherrin and has enlisted Martin to demonstrate the new rounded-end ball, but bounced any questions that related to whether he'd be kicking on at Richmond beyond 2017.
"We used it [the ball] last year and the year before at the footy club and you know even the experienced players it helped them out and it's going to be really good for all age groups I think," Martin said at Wednesday's launch, offering the time-honoured response to questions about the thrilling season to come. "Yeah, I can't wait, obviously we have one more game to go, but yeah looking for the real stuff to start."
Rounded ball in hand, the media then got to the point - would he be re-signing at Richmond?
"Well that's just between [my manager] Ralph [Carr] and the club to sort out, but I'm here to talk about the Sherrin today," said Martin as the experienced Williams offered the coaching equivalent of "look, over there".
"The fact is he's playing really well ... Dustin for the four years that I worked with him continually wanted to lift the bar. He's come seventh and he's third [in the Brownlow], welI I'm not sure, mathematics would say something good so get on him."
So what are Martin's goals in 2017?
"Just to play consistent good footy and improve, like every year trying to improve."
And can he concentrate with contract talk hanging over his future at Punt Road.
"He's not talking about contracts," said Williams with more urgency, as a media minder offered an out for Martin and he duly took it.
"Thanks guys," Martin kindly offered, and exited stage left.
The last word, as always, went to Williams, who would know better than most that the Tigers are relying on Martin to shore up a club that has not won a premiership since 1980.
"I'm sure Dustin will make the right decision and he's very much a loyal man," Williams said. "So he loves Richmond, he loves the players there and in time he will make the right decision."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers/dustin-martin-bounces-out-of-press-conference-after-contract-questions-20170307-gut4a6.html
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Good on Choco for the chop-out.
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It's hard getting paid to be there and cop questions you'd expect to get...
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Dusty tweeted this tonight:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6ZGgm-U8AECafA.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/dustinmartin4?lang=en
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Contract circus not in Dusty’s interests
MARK ROBINSON,
Herald Sun
March 9, 2017
DUSTIN Martin attended his first media gig in 12 months on Wednesday.
It was to be a Sherrin promotion at the MCG, but it largely became another Dusty Martin episode.
He walked away from the cameras and microphones after questions were asked about his contract.
It wasn’t Martin’s fault he walked off because that was how he reacted in an uncomfortable situation.
The issue is he shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
Martin doesn’t like being the centre of attention. And, truth be known, he’s not confident putting himself out there so he can be judged on how he speaks and what he says.
Martin is an amazing contradiction.
He knows his way around a footy ground like Usain Bolt knows his way around the 200m. Instinct and talent kicks in and, in those 120 minutes, he’s explosive and supremely confident, if not arrogant.
But off the field, and in front of cameras or in front of those he doesn’t know, he’s a little boy lost.
Dustin Martin refused to answer questions about his contract. Picture: Michael Klein
Certainly, his manager Ralph Carr shouldn’t have allowed Martin to be at the Sherrin promotion while contract talks are continuing and, it has to be noted, this was not a Richmond promotion.
There were concerns.
What started as a favour by Martin to Mark Williams, his long-time mentor, became an event.
Carr and a media representative from Richmond attended and having Williams front and square ensured Martin would feel comfortable.
In fact, when the questioning became a touch repetitious, it was Williams who hijacked the microphone and you could be excused for thinking, at that time, Martin was a 12-year-old and not a 25-year-old adult.
Then Martin walked off.
One of the jobs for player managers, surely, is to act in the best interests of their client.
This wasn’t one of those cases.
The last time Martin was coming out of contract, Carr took Martin to Greater Western Sydney to meet the coaches and put on a hard hat.
Five minutes after he arrived, the Giants knew Martin wasn’t going to GWS and that his heart was at Richmond.
It was embarrassing for Martin and Carr and a touch so for GWS who took him on a tour of unfinished grandstands.
A week later, Martin re-signed with the Tigers.
Carr has a curious way of handling contract negotiations.
In September last year it was reported Adelaide, St Kilda and Essendon were into Martin for a million large per year.
Carr didn’t dispel the story.
That same night the Saints contacted the Herald Sun and denied any interest in Martin and the Crows were even more emphatic.
“He is not part of our recruiting and list management discussions,” list management Justin Reid said.
“To suggest otherwise is incorrect.”
Story dead.
Fast forward and Martin’s management, presumably Carr, has said all contract talks with the Tigers are off until the end of the year.
That’s OK if you’re Nathan Fyfe and Patrick Dangerfield who are media savvy and slick on their feet when asked about their futures.
When Martin was asked — for the first time — he said it’s between Carr and the club and, moments later, he departed.
Martin is a buck five to re-sign with the Tigers.
In many ways, this football club has been his security blanket since he was drafted as an unworldly 17-year-old.
The Tigers have moulded, supported, guided and even laid down the law over various personal stuff throughout his career and just recently offered him $800,000 a year for what could be for five years.
It would be astounding if Martin departed because another club offered $900,000 per year.
That he would uproot himself and his precious comfortableness for an entirely new environment and an extra 50K after tax.
The question needs to be asked: Is this circus really in the best interests of Dusty?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/contract-circus-is-not-in-dustin-martins-best-interests-write-mark-robinson/news-story/54ed71b1d68a02d0862f1390ee38ca79
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Dusty tweeted this tonight:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6ZGgm-U8AECafA.jpg:large
https://twitter.com/dustinmartin4?lang=en
Call me cynical, but I don't think Dusty "tweeted" (read wrote) that. Dusty hasn't been on Tweeter for months
Looks like another example of good ole' Ralph. Why? because it brings Ralph into the conversation, Ralph shouldn't be mentioned, it's not about him. >:(
Yep I am cynical and didn't trust Carr at all
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Sick of it already - Lets face it nothing is gunna happen until the season is over so may as well move on.....Wont happen
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Fat Robbo.
What a poofta. :snidegrin
He gets paid for this ? ^^
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‘It’s definitely a form of bullying’
Herald Sun
9 March 2017
DUSTIN Martin’s mentor Mark Williams has jumped to the Tiger’s defence.
Williams, a former Port Adelaide premiership coach and Richmond development coach, said the media’s treatment of Martin was “definitely a form of bullying”.
“He can speak as well as anyone, he just doesn’t dance to the beat of the mainstream media. If you ask things he’s not interested he’s just not going to comply, that’s just the way he is,” Williams said on SEN.
Martin made a rare media appearance yesterday to promote a new Sherrin footy but left early when reporters asked the free agent about his contract talks.
“When they asked him what his future was he politely said, ‘I’m not going to talk about that, I’m going to talk about the ball’. They persisted again and persisted again and politely he walked off.
“It’s easy to say Ralph (Carr, Martin’s manager) or I have stitched him up, but that really underestimates Dustin.
“It’s an insult to suggest he can’t take questions — he can do it as well as anyone else — but just because he doesn’t dance to their tune they (the media) ostracise him. It’s definitely a form of bullying, no doubt.”
Asked his own thoughts about whether Martin would re-sign with the Tigers, Williams said he trusted the star midfielder to make the best decision.
“His thoughts are he’s really happy to be able to say I’m just letting it go until the end of the year. If he says that, you just let it go.
“To question him every week, ‘What’s happening with your contract?’, it’s just a joke.
“If you look at his form over the past two years, he’s (finished) third in the Brownlow, he’s All-Australian and won the best-and-fairest ... because Dustin is what he is and he is his own man people treat him differently to the other stars of the game.
“He’s a very shy sort of person and he gets to a point where he’s just ‘leave me alone’.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/mark-williams-says-media-treatment-of-dustin-martin-is-unfair/news-story/42465e1da908f95f6752259799869ad5
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Definitely bullying those white rag people need to get onto this
They owe Dusty one anyway
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Balme: News surrounding Dusty’s presser all noise
By Justin Talent
SEN
9 March 2017
Richmond General Manager of Football Neil Balme has quashed speculation surrounding Dustin Martin following the star’s press conference meeting a sudden end on Wednesday after refusing to answer questions about his future.
The 2016 Tigers best and fairest winner was a guest at a media conference yesterday to launch Sherrin’s new football design, but refused to talk about his current contract negotiations with Richmond despite multiple questions being fielded to him on the topic.
Martin is a restricted free agent at the end of the season, and has reportedly put talks with the club on hold until the end of the season despite the Tigers already offering the 25-year-old a lucrative four-year contract to stay at Punt Road.
This latest reluctance to speak about his future has fuelled intense speculation about his future, all of which Balme says is overblown.
“We talked to him and said that they’re going to ask you about your contract but you don’t have to discuss it if you don’t want to,” he said on SEN’s The Run Home.
“He said ‘Well I’ll just tell them that my agent and the club are looking after it,’ which is exactly what he did, but then all the noise out of it is that he storms off, he won’t answer the questions or didn’t handle the questions. He did (handle them) quite easily.
“He was asked three times (about his contract) and at that stage the Sherrin girl gave him the nod to come off.
“He hung around for about 20 minutes (afterwards) and signed autographs and all the things he should have done, but it looks like he’s been canned for not being able to answer the question and went off in a huff, which is simply not so.”
The Tigers footy manager says that the club are in no rush to finalise terms with the midfielder after confirming they had submitted a contract offer to him, stating that they are comfortable with Martin pushing talks until the end of the season should he want that.
“We’ve made him a terrific offer and he can take as long as he likes to consider it as far as we’re concerned, as long as he plays good footy in 2017,” Balme said.
“We’ve got confidence that he’ll be a Tiger long-term and I’m pretty sure he thinks the same way.
“He’s an exceptional player with us and we want to do the long-term deal with him… (Martin and manager Ralph Carr) have got every right to take as much time as they like to consider it.
“We’re not that concerned about it but unfortunately there’s so much noise about it because it is a big story.”
Balme also says that the club’s relationship with Carr has never been better.
“There has been nothing but professional and constructive conversations between us and Ralph Carr as to what is going on,” he said.
“(The relationship is) very strong. It’s been fine.
“We know where (Martin) fits in the market, we’re pretty confident that he genuinely wants to be a Tiger and he loves the place. We don’t have any problems.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/03/09/balme-news-surrounding-dusty-s-presser-all-noise/
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Dusty tweeted this tonight:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6ZGgm-U8AECafA.jpg:large
https://twitter.com/dustinmartin4?lang=en
Call me cynical, but I don't think Dusty "tweeted" (read wrote) that. Dusty hasn't been on Tweeter for months
Looks like another example of good ole' Ralph. Why? because it brings Ralph into the conversation, Ralph shouldn't be mentioned, it's not about him. >:(
Yep I am cynical and didn't trust Carr at all
100% agree. Dusty didn't actually pen that. Hardly cynical, blind freddy can see that wasn't him ;)
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Dustin Martin walks out on press conference, Richmond, contract talks, AFL, Julian De Stoop
March 10, 2017
Julian de Stoop
FOX SPORTS
COMMENT: OFF the top, to suggest the media ‘hijacked’ Dustin Martin’s appearance at the launch of a new Sherrin football is nonsense.
And before I explain what happened, let’s make one thing clear: Dustin Martin didn’t storm out of his media conference.
This is how it went down.
Sherrin, alongside former Port Adelaide coach and Richmond development coach Mark Williams, launched a new football aimed to help players at all levels at the MCG on Wednesday morning.
Before the media conference at 9am, there was a meet and greet from 7.30am where journalists spoke to Williams and representatives from Sherrin about the concept behind this new football. Martin, his manager Ralph Carr and Richmond media manager Jaimee Damon were also in attendance.
Williams and Martin had trialled the football last year.
After the meet and greet, Martin and Williams alongside Adam Cooney, Bombers No. 1 pick Andy McGrath and Carlton AFLW captain Lauren Arnell headed onto the hallowed turf to trial the new footy.
From there, the media spoke with Arnell about the footy and some questions about the Blues AFLW team.
Following Arnell, Williams and Martin fronted the media.
Clearly Martin’s future at Richmond was going to be addressed, but before then both he and Williams were asked several questions about the new football.
Then it was time to address the elephant in the room.
Martin, which is his right, rarely does media appearances. Therefore, journalists in attendance wouldn’t be doing their job if they didn’t ask the Richmond star about his future.
Martin is out of contract at season’s end and has indicated through his management that he is prepared to wait until then to discuss a new deal. Alongside Nat Fyfe and Gary Ablett, his future beyond 2017 will be one of the big talking points of the season.
Nat Edwards from AFL Media kicked things off by asking: “Dustin, there’s been plenty of speculation about your contract, are you able to give us a bit of an update?”
Martin replied: “That’s between my manager Ralph (Carr) and the footy club to sort out. I’m just here to talk about the Sherrin.”
Now as journalists, we would be derelict in our duty if we didn’t ask a follow-up question, which Kiara Parker from 3AW did.
“Do you think contract talks could prove to be a distraction?” Parker asked.
Martin, again, flat batted the question: “As I said, I’m not here to talk about contracts.”
That’s when Williams chimed in and, like he did when he was at Richmond, played the role of father figure.
From there, Williams was asked whether he believed Martin would re-sign.
Part-way through Williams’ answer, Martin was given the opportunity — via the Tigers’ media representative — to step away, which he duly took.
It wasn’t a storm-off. He simply walked away and spent more time mingling.
I believe all parties handled themselves respectfully. The journalists asked what needed to be asked, Martin answered them respectively and, as his right, Williams went into bat for someone he is very close too.
Yes there are some journalists that would have continued to push Martin, but knowing the ones that were there yesterday, they may have asked one more of Martin if he hadn’t have slid away.
On SEN Breakfast on Thursday morning, both Williams — in a follow-up interview — and host Hamish McLachlan claimed the media ‘hijacked’ the event.
As I stated at the top, that’s rubbish.
Media can’t be dictated to by the talent. We need to be able to ask the questions that are newsworthy and the talent can answer those questions however they want. In return, we need to respect the approach they take.
Williams is a shrewd operator. He would have known by having Martin there at the launch of the new Sherrin that there was a far bigger chance of getting more media to attend.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/why-media-didnt-hijack-dustin-martins-press-conference-writes-julian-de-stoop/news-story/0897882759b509a98151b827246c35d3
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Dustin Martin is a genuine guy who’s just misunderstood, writes Mark Williams
MARK WILLIAMS,
Herald Sun
March 10, 2017
EVERY morning before a Richmond home game I meet Dustin Martin at the same Elwood cafe.
Each time, after breakfast, we end up on the street outside playing kick-to-kick with the footy-mad owner. It sounds crazy, but it’s true.
It also doesn’t sound like the sort of guy who would “storm off” or “run away” does it?
That’s because it isn’t and that’s because Dustin doesn’t.
What we’ve seen this week is symptomatic of Dustin’s career. It’s a sensationalist portrayal of what really happened and again he’s been put in a box and people judge him by that.
Dustin, on his day off, gave his time to do me a favour at the launch of my new Sherrin Precision football at the MCG.
He was anxious about the media asking him about his contract because he just doesn’t want to talk about it.
I know the media are trying to do their job, but I’m not sure what they’re trying to find because he’s not going to sign or make a decision in the next minute or the next month, so why bother?
I first met Dustin Martin five years ago. He was late and a little out of shape at Richmond’s first training session after the Christmas break.
Back then he was certainly at the crossroads. He could have gone off the tracks and this blossoming footy career we’re now witnessing would never have happened.
There were serious discussions as to whether this guy was going to make it. Was he the real thing or would he just be another young player to never reach his potential?
It’s hard to imagine how a 52-year-old bloke would be equipped to look after a young bloke who’s a bit of a tearaway, albeit with enormous talent, but that’s what Damien Hardwick and the club wanted.
Would we connect? Pretty quickly we knew it wasn’t simply a manufactured relationship, but one based on respect, communication and trust.
Like all good relationships, they come with time. It’s not a 9-5 job — it’s about showing you care and trying to understand the person.
I think the number one thing was to invite him into my home where I’ve got five kids and we all sit around the dinner table with my wife, Pauline, cooking meals.
The kids knew he was an important player, but because they’d grown up around football they just treated him like one of their brothers.
They would spend hours playing pool, table tennis, darts and even quoits because Dustin’s into everything.
He just loves being part of a group and not being by himself. I still think he needs to work on his pool game, but he’s got me at table tennis.
We’d go ten pin bowling. Imagine Dustin bowling with a group of people and all of them hanging it on each other over the score and my kids trying to put him off and him laughing.
You look at the tattoos and the hair and people judge by the cover, but you need to dig a bit deeper to find the real him.
My darling little daughter Isabelle adores him and is always hugging him. Dustin promises one day he’s going to get a little butterfly tattoo, but she’s monitoring his ink and she can’t see any butterflies. He says one day.
Dustin has come around to our house once a week for the last four years. He does go AWOL, if you like, over the off-season and I’m continually texting him while he’s away.
That can be tough because he’s probably lost or broken 10 phones in my time knowing him. He has a bit of trouble with that.
All we need to do is check in with each other to know he’s OK. I don’t try to box him in with too many rules, but he likes knowing that someone is actively interested in his welfare.
That Japanese restaurant incident at the end of 2015 was just so unfortunate. I’m a person who doesn’t smoke or drink and if I stand up for Dustin it’s because I believe in him.
He’s not a saint and he makes some bad decisions like everyone else. Over the years I’ve seen countless people drink and get into situations they wouldn’t want to.
Dustin would agree it wasn’t perfect him, but he is an understanding, quiet and shy person who doesn’t confront people at all.
My family and I have a special relationship with him, along with his mum, Kathy, his aunties and his dad, Shane.
His dad calls me from New Zealand and talks to me about how he’s going. His dad just wants the best for him and is always so proud of him and really misses going to watch him because he was always there.
When you’re a footballer, you’re on the ground and there’s 100,000 there, but you’re actually only playing for two or three special people every time. You know where they sit, you might glance at them and you’re trying to make them proud and that’s what Dustin does.
Some players you look at and think ‘yeah, he’s lucky to play AFL’. Dustin’s form isn’t based on luck.
Most people would assume otherwise with his casual demeanour and all those tatts, but he spends hours and hours working on his game. If he can’t do something someone else can, he works ferociously on it.
We’ve been working on his future after football, too. He’s come a long way with his keynote speaking and he has a presentation with videos and photos about his journey and making choices in life.
He presents at Cauldfield Grammar and TAC Cup teams and the students and players love him.
He’s doing his Certificate IV in business with a view to getting into the transport industry and it’s thrilling to see someone who didn’t finish high school want to go back and study and put himself to the test.
Dustin is terrific guy who’s very much misunderstood. He doesn’t really care about changing it, though, he is what he is and only those close to him know that.
He allows me and my family to understand him. Being in his inner sanctum is a wonderful thing.
He had an upbringing where he had to work for everything. He played footy at an early age against men, left school early and been thrown into work early.
It’s easy to assume you won’t become a champion player with that background, but against all odds he’s survived and flourished.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-is-a-genuine-guy-whos-just-misunderstood-writes-mark-williams/news-story/c20b6fa0ac59d984f5724c34449e8200
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Dusty tweeted this tonight:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6ZGgm-U8AECafA.jpg:large
https://twitter.com/dustinmartin4?lang=en
Call me cynical, but I don't think Dusty "tweeted" (read wrote) that. Dusty hasn't been on Tweeter for months
Looks like another example of good ole' Ralph. Why? because it brings Ralph into the conversation, Ralph shouldn't be mentioned, it's not about him. >:(
Yep I am cynical and didn't trust Carr at all
100% agree. Dusty didn't actually pen that. Hardly cynical, blind freddy can see that wasn't him ;)
Based on what exactly?
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Dusty tweeted this tonight:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6ZGgm-U8AECafA.jpg:large
https://twitter.com/dustinmartin4?lang=en
Call me cynical, but I don't think Dusty "tweeted" (read wrote) that. Dusty hasn't been on Tweeter for months
Looks like another example of good ole' Ralph. Why? because it brings Ralph into the conversation, Ralph shouldn't be mentioned, it's not about him. >:(
Yep I am cynical and didn't trust Carr at all
100% agree. Dusty didn't actually pen that. Hardly cynical, blind freddy can see that wasn't him ;)
Based on what exactly?
Read it
Outside of Dusty not being on twitter since Nov last year, just read it.
Just the words used, the perfect grammar
And simple because Ralph is mentioned
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Perfectly reasonable points to be cynical about it. But to claim "blind freddy can see that wasn't him", especially from someone who presumably hasn't even talked to him down a dark alley, is hilarious
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Barrett tonight said North Melbourne are the latest club wanting Dusty.
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'Shy guy's' contract won't become side show: Cotchin
Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
March 17, 2017 7:29 AM
DUSTIN Martin's contract negotiations won't become a sideshow if Trent Cotchin has anything to do with it.
As Cotchin waits to be ratified as Richmond captain for a fifth season, he and his teammates are bracing themselves for a year of questions about the club's biggest star.
Martin becomes a restricted free agent at the end of this season and, through his agent Ralph Carr has made it clear he has no intention of deciding on his future until the final siren sounds on 2017.
However, unlike Patrick Dangerfield in the past, and even Nat Fyfe in the present, Martin isn't going to be the one constantly peppered with questions.
That's because he stays out of the media, perhaps more than any other high-profile player in the game.
"Well he's a footballer, he's not a media personality, and that's his job," Cotchin said on Thursday.
"He's a shy guy, he has a lot of things that are important to him but he doesn't need to share them in front of cameras and that's the way he feels."
Cotchin is confident Martin's future won't become a distraction to Richmond's quest to return to the finals after a disappointing 2016.
" I don't think it'll be a side show," Cotchin said.
"He's had a fantastic pre-season and I'm really looking forward to seeing what sort of footy he produces."
Cotchin, who is a close mate of Martin, even taking him in for a time as a housemate, believes the 25-year-old cops a bad rap in the media.
"I think they're very critical of him given some of his misdemeanors in the past, but I think if people knew the real Dusty they'd have different opinion of him," Cotchin said.
However, "the real Dusty" will likely remain a mystery to fans because of the extreme lengths his minders take to help keep him from talking publicly.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-17/martin-contract-news-wont-become-a-sideshow-says-cotchin
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good response from Cotch, the problem is that it will only make the media more determined to make it into a circus.
Dust is an easy target for them and they will be like dogs with a bone.
I would much rather see them put the same energy and commitment in their questioning of Hardwick and his performance, but that would take a bit more resilience and bottle, so they will stick with stirring the Dusty pot
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Barrett tonight said North Melbourne are the latest club wanting Dusty.
Wishful thinking for your Roos, Barrett ::). Yep, Dusty is going to move to another club on the downward spiral onfield and playing in front of a man and his dog :lol.
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There is no more Sideshow at Richmond :rollin
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From Prez Peggy O'Neal:
What are we doing to ensure Dustin Martin doesn’t leave?
We obviously want Dustin to remain a Richmond player and remain confident that that will be the case long-term. The communication lines between the Club and Dustin’s management remain open but there is no time line on when something will be agreed.
Of course, we would prefer to have Dustin's contract settled sooner rather than later but, equally, we need to respect Dustin and his management’s right to work through what is an important decision - and that is not uncommon in the modern football environment.
Importantly, Dustin has indicated that is very happy at the Club and working hard to get the best out of himself this season.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-03-20/from-the-president-excitement-for-2017
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Give the man 1.25mil a year and throw in a few trophy wives to clinche.
Give him. Anything.
Can't let him go
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Makes me
Laugh hearing Adelaide and he saints publicly state they have no interest in dusty whatsoever. Bit of an insult hope he sticks it right up them and has an even better season.
In the Absolute elite bracket of the comp
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Loved his game tonight TM
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Buddy deal coming up. :shh
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I'm so glad we can match any offer.
Hopefully it's something like 5-6 years for $1-1.2million/year. I could live with that...
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Rex Hunt says Richmond must resist offering Dustin Martin whatever he wants
3AW
March 24, 2017 - 2:27PM
Rex Hunt says Richmond must not offer Dustin Martin an open cheque book to remain with the club.
Hunt, who played in two premierships with the Tigers, said Richmond should only keep Martin for the right reasons.
He said loyalty must come before money.
Martin simply dominated the season opener against Carlton, collecting 33 disposals, four goals and all-but-certainly three Brownlow votes in the Tigers' 43-point win.
Speaking on 3AW's new Footy Nightline program, Hunt rejected suggestions the Tigers had to offer Martin whatever he wanted.
"I don't think money can buy this man," Hunt said.
"One thing money can't buy is loyalty and a real feeling for a club."
http://www.3aw.com.au/news/rex-hunt-says-richmond-must-resist-offering-dustin-martin-whatever-he-wants-20170324-gv5rry.html
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Hardly reliable sources but Carey and Watson on Talking Footy were saying according to the "people they've spoken to" Dusty won't be making a decision until the end of the year. Carey added he knows clubs that are offering Dusty more than Richmond and he thinks Dusty will do a Dangerfield.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/talkingfooty/status/846283236384751616
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Would be typical Richmond like to lose the best player we have had for 40 years, whilst keeping a bunch of duds off and off the field.
He is worth over 800 every day at Richmond and if they can't see that well I hope he leaves.
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I want Dusty to stay just as much as anyone....but
Adelaide with Danger in 2015 - 13 wins
Adelaide without Danger in 2016 - 16 wins
Just saying ...
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Would be typical Richmond like to lose the best player we have had for 40 years, whilst keeping a bunch of duds off and off the field.
He is worth over 800 every day at Richmond and if they can't see that well I hope he leaves.
They know he is worth more than that. They won't go and offer what they are willing to pay him straight up.
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Does anyone have that gif of George clicking his fi gets and saying "It's a negotiation Jerry" when he stuffed up the deal with NBC?
That'll be Dan with Benny
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We are in a win win situation with this. If he stays he stays. Great.
If he goes there is 2 more first rounders in a very strong draft. My son is playing TAC CUP at the moment and there are some absolute guns in the top 15 or 20 plus Naish outside of those 4 would be incredible.
Almost worth calling his bluff.
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Wtf is Carey talking about ? Dangerfield went home regardless of money.
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Carey added he knows clubs that are offering Dusty more than Richmond and he thinks Dusty will do a Dangerfield.
They are contradicting statements aren't they? Danger didn't leave for more money
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Riewoldt ‘confident’ on Dusty’s future
Anna Harrington,
FOX SPORTS
March 29, 2017
TIGERS star Jack Riewoldt says he’s “confident” gun midfielder Dustin Martin will sign on with Richmond.
Martin is out of contract at the end of the season and is a restricted free agent.
But Riewoldt said he expected to see his teammate in yellow and black for years to come, despite the midfielder putting contract talks on hold.
“I certainly think it’s (the contract speculation) certainly not going to affect Dustin and the way he plays,” Riewoldt said on Fox Footy’s AFL 360.
“I’m confident that Dustin will stay.
“I’m confident he’s going to play some excellent footy for us this year and that the club’s going in the right direction and that he’ll see that as well.
“I’m uncomfortable talking about money because I have nothing to do with Dustin’s contract and I feel uncomfortable talking about other people’s finances.”
Melbourne’s Jordan Lewis said there should be less pressure on Martin to re-sign before the end of the season.
“Any player should have the right to see out his contract then renegotiate,” Lewis said.
“I don’t understand why they have to sign before then. It’s a player’s right, he’s contracted until the end of the year.”
Martin delivered a star performance against the Blues first-up, booting four goals while dominating through the midfield.
But Riewoldt said he was happiest to see the selfless side of his teammate.
“The one thing that I’m extremely proud of with Dusty, is his ability to bring his teammates into the game,” he said.
“I’ve got no doubt that he knew that it was Dan Butler’s first goal when he could’ve run into an open goal and kicked the goal himself. He went out of his way to give Dan the ball.
“My greatest memory of Dustin through his career is I watched him pick his teammates up off the ground 21 times in one corner.
“It just shows the player he is, he is a genuine star of the competition but ... the little things and the things that make him a great teammate, are never lost on him.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jack-riewoldt-says-hes-confident-inform-dustin-martin-will-sign-on-again-at-richmond/news-story/f52c6f348c6a8e9872b9ffbfbdf49569
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Give me a tinfoil hat and call me smasha, but I'm finding it all a bit "interesting" how many in the media are suddenly talking up Martin's value ,with comments even naming his price as north of seven figures - now, I could be wrong but this seems unprecedented and I can't immediately recall them doing the same -i.e, flat out stating they're worth a million plus- regardng other high profile out of contract players such as Dangerfield, Franklin , GAJ, Judd etc...and I certainly haven't heard them saying it with regards to Fyfe who is in the same situation as Martin right now and based on career achievement should easilt be worth as much if not more than Martin.
Could it be that it's because of the club he plays for or are they doing the biddng of his notably dodgy manager? :shh :whistle
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Give me a tinfoil hat and call me smasha, but I'm finding it all a bit "interesting" how many in the media are suddenly talking up Martin's value ,with comments even naming his price as north of seven figures - now, I could be wrong but this seems unprecedented and I can't immediately recall them doing the same -i.e, flat out stating they're worth a million plus- regardng other high profile out of contract players such as Dangerfield, Franklin , GAJ, Judd etc...and I certainly haven't heard them saying it with regards to Fyfe who is in the same situation as Martin right now and based on career achievement should easilt be worth as much if not more than Martin.
Could it be that it's because of the club he plays for or are they doing the biddng of his notably dodgy manager? :shh :whistle
reports in the media on Fyfe are that Freo most likely to go to $1m a season for Fyfe and for any Victorian club to be in the market they would need to stump up around $1.4million a season
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A contented Dusty as a Tiger post-match (including shiner).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8KaSRpVoAATgcK.jpg)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/847409342273867780
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Not from a good source tbh but hearing there COULD (only slight chance) be something worse going on than just a shiner. Very very sore lad who might have to get it further assessed...
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Broken cheek bone is the word.......
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Was a dirty hit behind play from what I saw?
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Thought it was from the head clash with Aish?
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Must have seen better than me. Hope so. They were bear hugging him all night, was total BS no frees were called for it. Daylight robbery.
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Thought it was from the head clash with Aish?
Yep they showed it on the Ch7 pre game show tonight
Also Said he will play next week
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Let's hope so, but I've heard that before
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin was effusive about Martin’s increased maturity.
“There is a perception of him and he had got tattoos and he can look like an angry bugger, but any time I do an appearance people ask what he is like,’’ Cotchin told SEN.
“He can come across as shy, but he is more giving and open to having a conversation and he is one of the first guys I would ask to look after my two kids if there was ever a time I needed one of the boys to look after them.”
Cotchin, adamant all pre-season Martin will re-sign, said the club had already proved past contract issues had not derailed them.
“I don’t think he is the sort of personality where it affects the way he plays,” Cotchin said. “I would like to think we are mentally resilient enough to deal with anything going on.
“There was Rancey’s situation a few years back and other teams have been through it and it hasn’t affected their performance so I don’t think it will affect ours.
“We are looking forward to him playing amazing footy and at some stage be it sooner rather than later or if it does have to be at the end of the season, hopefully he signs on and hopefully it’s for a long period of time.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-expected-to-play-west-coast-despite-being-assessed-for-cheekbone-injury/news-story/9d30ef4d2d14fbc67355018d9f279ef8
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Not from a good source tbh but hearing there COULD (only slight chance) be something worse going on than just a shiner. Very very sore lad who might have to get it further assessed...
Should have believed in my source and shared the whole shebang, turns out he was spot on :shh
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/eddie-mcguire-is-ready-for-afl-players-to-declare-intention-to-leave-their-club-inseason/news-story/a5235fa20534a58edf2d36c9fcb8b912
This article doesn't mention Dusty once but the Herald-Sun can't help themselves including pics of Dusty ::).
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Personally I think it would be a good thing.
Robbo made a good point on 360 > the NRL manages these things so much better and respectfully.
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Dustin Martin contract talks, Richmond, Trent Cotchin
April 7, 2017
Ben Waterworth
FOX SPORTS
The super talented Martin, out of contract at season’s end, looms as one of the big player movement stories of the season, with the star Tiger eligible to become a restricted free agent.
Fox Sports reported in February that Richmond had made Martin a significant long-term contract, believed to be worth close to $800,000 a season.
Cotchin told Fox Sports News that he had been intentional in discussing Martin’s future with the Richmond best and fairest winner in recent times.
The skipper added that he had “full confidence” Martin would remain a Tiger beyond 2017.
“I’m not just Dustin’s captain, I’d like to think he’s one of my best mates. Given that’s the situation, you always talk about it. There’s jokes in the change rooms, there’s serious conversations about where he’s at,” Cotchin told AFL Tonight.
“The reality is he says exactly what he says to me as to what he says to the media. He doesn’t have a lot to say when it’s something that’s a little bit awkward, but his management will deal with it, the club have got fantastic people in place and I have full confidence that he’ll be a Richmond footballer next year.”
Cotchin refuted suggestions that there was a risk taking Martin away from Richmond — the club that has put so much time and resources into him — to a different club environment.
Cotchin added that Martin was in the best off-field shape of his life.
“The way he’s matured throughout his whole career, but realistically the last three or four years — you see a change of the consistency in the performance, but the way he’s living his life off-field is as good as it’s ever been,” Cotchin said.
“I’m really proud that I’ve had a tiny little bit to do with that, along with so many people, whether that be inside out four walls or outside of them.
“To have your dad in another country and not be allowed to come back into the country is challenging for any kid ... it’s sad, but the way he’s handled it and dealt with it has been outstanding.”
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/trent-cotchin-has-full-confidence-dustin-martin-will-resign-with-richmond/news-story/234fd93fd5b61ddaafe38912f993a0dc
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Damien Hardwick at arms length on Dustin Martin future
The Age / AAP
12 April 2017
Every weekend, Dustin Martin's performances seem to increase his wage demands for 2018, but Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is relaxed about the midfielder's future.
Martin, 25, has powered the Tigers to a perfect start to the season with an extraordinary output in three games.
No AFL player has gathered more kicks, while his clearance, inside 50 and goal assist numbers are elite.
Eight goals also have Martin on track for a top-10 finish in the Coleman Medal.
So it's little wonder that attention is focused on the dollars Martin might command in his next pay deal, given he is unsigned from next season.
Another coach might stress about the issue, but Hardwick has given the matter over to football chiefs Dan Richardson and Neil Balme to thrash out a deal with Martin's manager, Ralph Carr.
"Dan and Neil and Ralph are working weekly to make sure we get the best result for our footy club," Hardwick said on Wednesday.
"We're happy with where it's at.
"Dustin has been terrific for us and our footy club has been terrific for Dustin also.
"He's a great guy. He's really grown up as a person and a lot of that has really come down to our football club, the support of his father and the support of his manager.
"As long as he keeps playing great football that for me is the number one thing."
The unresolved pay talks stoush between the league and the players' association means that clubs don't have certainty on their future wage structures.
Hardwick admitted the conflict impacted the club but, again, he's happy to be hands-off on the issue.
"I leave that area up to Dan and Neil and Blair Hartley, our list management team in theory to get the contracts signed," he said.
"I just worry about getting the best out of my 42, 43 players."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers/damien-hardwick-at-arms-length-on-dustin-martin-future-20170412-gvjcf3.html
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I still think we are in a win win situation here. If he stays that's awesome but if he holds us to ransom then get the 2 first round draft picks and use those 4 picks to bring in 4 youngsters in the top 20.
We all though losing Lids & Vickery was going to send us down the ladder but this shows that you can lose a great player and still come out on top
However, I believe he will stay.
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Losing Martin will be a considerably bigger loss than Deledio, who was starting to be perpetually injured and past his prime and Vickery who was a lazy dud.
I'd try and gazump North for Kelly if he left. Will be the best player in the comp.
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I still think we are in a win win situation here. If he stays that's awesome but if he holds us to ransom then get the 2 first round draft picks and use those 4 picks to bring in 4 youngsters in the top 20.
We all though losing Lids & Vickery was going to send us down the ladder but this shows that you can lose a great player and still come out on top
However, I believe he will stay.
If we were to lose him and I hope we dont - 4 top 20 picks and Fyfe thanks
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I still think we are in a win win situation here. If he stays that's awesome but if he holds us to ransom then get the 2 first round draft picks and use those 4 picks to bring in 4 youngsters in the top 20.
We all though losing Lids & Vickery was going to send us down the ladder but this shows that you can lose a great player and still come out on top
However, I believe he will stay.
I understand your point and agree to an extent, but we've got a guy at the peak of his powers and arguably the best player in the comp at this moment. 2 first rounders strikes me as unders, but that's what we would receive as a trade. If he left as a free agent we'd only get 1 compensation pick (first round) after our own first round pick. If we finished 6th(ish) we would likely receive something like pick 13 as compensation (before academy F/S picks). Hardly seems fair.
I don't think we're doing anything wrong here, I think he'll stay. Just gotta ride out the season and ignore the fanfare.
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I still think we are in a win win situation here. If he stays that's awesome but if he holds us to ransom then get the 2 first round draft picks and use those 4 picks to bring in 4 youngsters in the top 20.
We all though losing Lids & Vickery was going to send us down the ladder but this shows that you can lose a great player and still come out on top
However, I believe he will stay.
If we were to lose him and I hope we dont - 4 top 20 picks and Fyfe thanks
If Fyfe was to come to Richmond I'd imagine playing with Martin would be a greater selling point than merely just replacing him.
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Imagine what you'd have to give up to get Dusty, given that RFC can match any offer tabled to him.
A lot of teams might be put off by that.
Personally I'd be asking for two first round picks plus change - maybe 2nd round picks also.
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I just think that the rest FA factor makes it a confusion situation. If we match and offer (thus forcing a trade), I can't see him leaving. This doesn't appear to me to be a P.Dangerfield type situation where Dangerfield asked to leave his club at the peak of his powers. I think this is just about getting his money's worth. So he either stays with us for slight unders or at top market price - or we don't up our offer and he decides to leave - which means compensation (a likely mid first round pick).
We might, with all that extra cap space just unload a whopping deal for Fyfe and try and get a like-for-like, but I can't actually envisage a scenario where we get a trade deal of picks etc.
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I wonder how much is in the bank. Personally I'd be throwing the sink at Fyfe and telling Dusty to stick around and play alongside him.
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I still think we are in a win win situation here. If he stays that's awesome but if he holds us to ransom then get the 2 first round draft picks and use those 4 picks to bring in 4 youngsters in the top 20.
We all though losing Lids & Vickery was going to send us down the ladder but this shows that you can lose a great player and still come out on top
However, I believe he will stay.
If we were to lose him and I hope we dont - 4 top 20 picks and Fyfe thanks
If Fyfe was to come to Richmond I'd imagine playing with Martin would be a greater selling point than merely just replacing him.
No doubt, would be incredible if we pulled it off but cant see it happening due to budget constraints
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Its simple we just match whatever - If another club can afford it we can. Lose Dusty and Ill just about give up!
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Dusty is Danger's equal, so show him the money
Wayne Carey
The Age
13 April 2017
After three rounds, Dustin Martin sits comfortably alongside Patrick Dangerfield as the most explosive weapon in the game.
While Danger bursts through packs with power and speed, Martin does it with sheer force.
This time last year I wrote about Dusty maturing right before our eyes, both as a person and as a footballer, but in 2017 he's taken his game to a whole new level. That's despite the heavy scrutiny that comes with being out of contract.
Many will remember his last round of talks, when Martin looked elsewhere and came back with his tail between his legs. But now the tide has turned.
The challenges he's faced on his football journey have been well documented and Richmond has certainly supported him.
But while the Tigers would rightly consider themselves a big part of Dusty's development, it's time for them to pay him what he's worth.
That figure is growing by the week, but right now I have no doubt it is at least $1 million a season.
Martin finished runner-up in the Tigers best and fairest in 2015 before winning it last year, and if he maintains his form he'll not only take home back-to-back Jack Dyer Medals, but might also claim the Brownlow.
Already he probably has nine votes. At worst seven or eight.
Last year Martin kicked nine goals for the entire season. This year he's booted eight in just three matches after being unleashed in the Tigers forward line.
While Dusty became something of an accumulator towards the end of last year, he's since proven to be one of the most damaging players forward of centre.
One on one he's almost unbeatable and Richmond coach Damien Hardwick deserves credit for having the courage to play him inside 50 for longer periods.
The addition of Dion Prestia and Josh Caddy has allowed the Tigers to be more flexible, while the likes of Daniel Rioli, Dan Butler and Jason Castagna have also played a vital role in keeping the ball locked in that dangerous area being patrolled by the number four.
But that's not to say Martin isn't still having a massive impact in the midfield.
His stoppage work on the weekend was incredible, and at one stage he had as many clearances as the entire West Coast team combined. He'd finish with 15 in total, on a day that was all about gaining metres.
Martin is on track to smash the existing record, averaging 741 metres gained per match.
It will be fascinating to see if he can maintain those standards over the next 14-15 weeks, particularly if he remains unsigned.
The longer it drags on, the more likely it generally seems a player is leaving. There are many factors Dustin and his management will be grappling with and while footballers should never make a decision on money alone, this will be the contract that sets up him for life.
At 25, and 26 before season's end, he's at the peak of his powers. A four to five year deal will take Martin into his 30s and clearly then you have much less bargaining power. It means this is most definitely 'the one'.
But at the same time, Richmond winning games will probably be a far bigger carrot than an extra $100-200,000 in the bank.
While someone like Joel Selwood has played finals just about his entire career, for footballers, generally, there are more downs than ups.
Therefore, does Dusty really want to go chasing more money at a club that might be a long way from contention?
Gary Ablett would never have thought his time at the Gold Coast would end up like it has, even if he has been set up financially.
I think he truly believed the Suns could impact the competition in years three, four and five, but in football there are no guarantees.
Ultimately the club is bigger than any individual and most teams will generally think they're owed something by the players they've drafted and developed.
But in today's world of free agency, things have changed. Footy is a business now, and we regularly have champion players being told to move clubs or retire. In turn loyalty is perhaps not what it once was. At the end of the day, your time in the game is short.
While Dustin Martin is yet to deliver Richmond a premiership, I think he owes them nothing. And if they want to keep him in yellow and black, it's time he's paid as the superstar he has become.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-tigers-should-pay-dustin-martin-like-the-superstar-he-has-become-20170413-gvk4b9.html
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Hutchy just said there's some breaking news about Dusty coming up on Footy Classified.
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Tigers claimed they hadn't increased the 5-year $800k offer to Dusty.
Caro says Richmond will now bump that offer up to a million per year.
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He's probably worth it.
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Jayden short gave me some breaking news a week or two ago. Adamant that dusty has already told club he will be continuing on with us... even said that he reckons has signed. But I doubt that.
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Dusty is going anywhere
The only thing Hutchy broke tonight was wind
Rubbish show
Most of the them are
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Hutchy just said there's some breaking news about Dusty coming up on Footy Classified.
One of the best non story's of the year
Told us nothing
But clearly stated the bleeding obvious
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Dusty's price rising with no new deal in sight
Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
May 3, 2017 10:44 AM
RICHMOND insists conversations with Dustin Martin's manager, Ralph Carr, are still taking place regularly, but concede an in-season contract extension for the star midfielder looks increasingly unlikely.
Martin's price tag continues to rise and there's no sign of a new deal on the horizon.
"It's very unlikely that it would be signed before the end of the season as that's the decision we made six weeks ago," Carr told AFL.com.au on Wednesday.
Martin's salary expectations are on the up after the Tigers' surprise 5-1 start to the season.
He's continuing to show potential suitors just how durable he is, brushing off calls to wear a helmet after suffering a fractured cheekbone in round two.
Then in recent weeks the midfielder has powered through groin soreness.
Contract speculation hasn't hampered his form, with Martin averaging 28.5 disposals, 4.2 tackles and a career-high 6.8 clearances a game.
Richmond continues to do everything it can to show its love for the 25-year-old.
With his father Shane barred from returning to Australia, the club has allowed Martin to take leave to visit him in New Zealand.
Martin becomes a restricted free agent in October.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-03/dustys-price-rising-with-no-new-deal-in-sight
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If I was Dusty's manager I would point out to Richmond that if you are willing to pay $700k for a midget who cant kick or run out a match out then Dusty would be worth $1.4 million.
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If I was Dusty's manager I would point out to Richmond that if you are willing to pay $700k for a midget who cant kick or run out a match out then Dusty would be worth $1.4 million.
So effectively you are saying Dusty is valued the same as two midgets who cant kick?
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"A reliable source telling us that Dusty has or is very close to signing on with the club. Expected to be announced within the next week."
https://twitter.com/themightytigers/status/862186518361669633
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Well if nothing else at least we now know what "potsclub" looks like and that his name is Dwayne....
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Well if nothing else at least we now know what "potsclub" looks like and that his name is Dwayne....
Hopefully when fellow tiger supporters see me, we can have a good yarn a beer. Especially you Dio, few disagreements but that's the beauty of opinion.
Should stay on topic but, the disagreement on membership, the newborn was a member straight away lol and I thought of you!
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Media has been relatively quiet regarding Dustys contract- Im assuming its a sign he's not leaving tigerland.
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Well if nothing else at least we now know what "potsclub" looks like and that his name is Dwayne....
Hopefully when fellow tiger supporters see me, we can have a good yarn a beer. Especially you Dio, few disagreements but that's the beauty of opinion.
Should stay on topic but, the disagreement on membership, the newborn was a member straight away lol and I thought of you!
I'm glad you learnt your lesson...I'll assume you named the lad after me....(https://imgfast.net/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/925640149.gif)
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Jake Niall said on AFL Tonight that North Hobart are going after Martin & Kelly and reckon they can get both.....(https://imgfast.net/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/336561073.gif)
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/3osxYBPmd1qjMrnsk0/giphy.gif)
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Dustin Martin contract, Josh Kelly contract, North Melbourne trade period plan to sign Tiger and Giant to $1 million per year deals
May 12, 2017
Jake Niall@jakeniall
FOX SPORTS
While North has made a nine-year offer of close to $9 million to Kelly, the Kangaroos are also among the bidders for Martin, who is a restricted free agent and whose management has suggested that contract talks would be on hold until the end of the season.
Normally a club would not be in a position to make simultaneous bids for players who would likely command around $1 million per season, but the Kangaroos — as a result of the sudden loss of veterans and with a number of other older players exiting soon — have the scope to land both Kelly and a player such as Martin.
Richmond remains confident of securing Martin, having already offered him a significant five-year deal that could potentially be revised upwards from the $800,000-plus per year it has put to his management.
While clubs bid for various players recognising that they might only land one, North knew it could not proceed with a pursuit of the Richmond star without having enough room to fit both Martin and Kelly.
North’s chances of securing Kelly, who is weighing up his future, are considered far better than its prospects of persuading Martin to leave Punt Road for Arden Street.
Kelly, as a Victorian, would be moving home if he left Greater Western Sydney and his father Phil played for North in the 1980s.
Martin has been happy with Richmond and in the unlikely event that he moved, the industry view is that it would be almost entirely a financial decision.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/north-melbourne-believes-it-has-space-to-sign-josh-kelly-dustin-martin-on-1-million-per-year-deals/news-story/5d993acd1557452c3f1dab896eae3834
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:lol lolnorf
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For Mason Wood and their first round pick? :shh
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For Mason Wood and their first round pick? :shh
If he wants to leave, I'd do that in a heartbeat..
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For Mason Wood and their first round pick? :shh
If he wants to leave, I'd do that in a heartbeat..
Yuk
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wonder what dusty is thinking now after another reminder of how this club will never win a flag in his lifetime as a footballer?
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wonder what dusty is thinking now after another reminder of how this club will never win a flag in his lifetime as a footballer?
Says a die-hard supporter of the very same club ... :wallywink
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wonder what dusty is thinking now after another reminder of how this club will never win a flag in his lifetime as a footballer?
Says a former die-hard supporter of the very same club ... :wallywink
efa knob jockey :gotigers
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wonder what dusty is thinking now after another reminder of how this club will never win a flag in his lifetime as a footballer?
Hopefully he is thinking of ways to stop a pee easy clearance from happening in the dying seconds of a game.
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wonder what dusty is thinking now after another reminder of how this club will never win a flag in his lifetime as a footballer?
Says a former die-hard supporter of the very same club ... :wallywink
efa knob jockey :gotigers
Good to hear, it's about time you left! Watch the door on your way out ...
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wonder what dusty is thinking now after another reminder of how this club will never win a flag in his lifetime as a footballer?
Says a former die-hard supporter of the very same club ... :wallywink
efa knob jockey :gotigers
Good to hear, it's about time you left! Watch the door on your way out ...
I am sure we won't be lucky enough to be spared
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wonder what dusty is thinking now after another reminder of how this club will never win a flag in his lifetime as a footballer?
Hopefully he is thinking of ways to stop a pee easy clearance from happening in the dying seconds of a game.
Who was forward of the ball and why?
It was his man no doubt about that but let's not forget about the previous 3 quarters shall we
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wonder what dusty is thinking now after another reminder of how this club will never win a flag in his lifetime as a footballer?
Says a former die-hard supporter of the very same club ... :wallywink
efa knob jockey :gotigers
Good to hear, it's about time you left! Watch the door on your way out ...
Happy Mother's Day :thumbsup
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Dusty has let fire on twitter about what Caro said on Footy Classified tonight.
Caro said Dusty's manager Ralph Carr has been shopping Dusty around to all other clubs asking what are they offering. She added that that doesn't mean Dusty is leaving Richmond but that's what his manager is doing.
https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/864098571896762378
Dusty then fired back on twitter with this:
"more fake news on TV tonight on me & my manager by a footy journo …real fake news…no idea"
https://twitter.com/DustinMartin4/status/864096033369767936
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Fake Tweet.
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It's widely believed the club leaks info to Caro....hope Martin & Carr don't put two and two together and think they put her up to it...
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Dusty has let fire on twitter about what Caro said on Footy Classified tonight.
Caro said Dusty's manager Ralph Carr has been shopping Dusty around to all other clubs asking what are they offering. She added that that doesn't mean Dusty is leaving Richmond but that's what his manager is doing.
https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/864098571896762378
Dusty then fired back on twitter with this:
"more fake news on TV tonight on me & my manager by a footy journo …real fake news…no idea"
https://twitter.com/DustinMartin4/status/864096033369767936
Dusty sounds like a natural president. He should go into politics.
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But he's not an eff wit
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Any player manager worth his salt would be assessing his client's value in the open market place so a fair contract can be negotiated with the club of his client's choice.
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For Mason Wood and their first round pick? :shh
If he wants to leave, I'd do that in a heartbeat..
Yuk
What, would you rather persist with Elton? Or are you on the Griff wagon now? :lol
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For Mason Wood and their first round pick? :shh
If he wants to leave, I'd do that in a heartbeat..
Yuk
What, would you rather persist with Elton? Or are you on the Griff wagon now? :lol
I'd rather keep Dusty and watch Griff bump into things, yes.
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But he's not an eff wit
Yeah but the merkin certainly is......so by extension Dusty is if he continues to support him
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Mentor Mark Williams says there is ‘no chance’ Richmond star Dustin Martin would move to Adelaide
Andrew Capel,
The Advertiser
17 May 2017
DUSTIN Martin’s mentor says there is “no chance’’ the gamebreaking Richmond midfielder will join Adelaide next season.
Port Adelaide premiership coach and former Tigers assistant Mark Williams, who has been Victorian Martin’s closest confidant, says he would advise the much-sought-after star not to consider any offers from the Crows or Power.
Brownlow Medal fancy Martin is out of contract at the end of the season and considering his future amid reports he could be offered as much as $1 million a year to change clubs.
“I remember talking to (former West Coast and Richmond champion) Benny Cousins. . . at a time when he was out of contract and that maybe he would (move to SA),’’ Williams said.
“I said, ‘listen, Ben - there is no chance you could survive in Adelaide’. And I’m saying to Dusty there is no chance he could survive there, either.
“The fishbowl that Adelaide is and the amount of media that want to talk about you, everyone knows what you are doing every minute of the day - that’s not for Dusty.”
“There is no chance (he will go to Adelaide).’’
Williams’ comments on Channel Nine’s Footy SA come after former St Kilda and North Melbourne onballer Nick Dal Santo last week suggested the Crows should go after the powerful Martin to boost a questionable midfield and help form a “dream team’’ pairing like Geelong’s Joel Selwood and Patrick Dangerfield.
“If Dustin Martin was going to go to any club you say yes please, how much? His price is getting more each week the way he is playing,” Dal Santo told The Advertiser.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/mentor-mark-williams-says-there-is-no-chance-richmond-star-dustin-martin-would-move-to-adelaide/news-story/02c4b14e80ac4be161109baafa3c49fc
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Caroline Wilson: I'd suggest Dustin doesn't know...
3aw
May 16, 2017 - 7:52PM
3AW Football's Caroline Wilson has responded to Dustin Martin's deleted "fake news" tweet by suggesting the Richmond star is being kept in the dark.
Caro on Footy Classified on Monday said Martin's manager Ralph Carr had been contacting opposition clubs about making an offer for the powerful midfielder.
In response, Martin tweeted: "More fake news on TV tonight on me and my manager by a footy journo … real fake news … no idea," Martin wrote, before deleting it.
On 3AW Sportsday tonight, Dwayne Russell asked Caro for her thoughts on the tweet.
"I'm impressed Dustin is all over Donald Trump, that's terrific," she said, referring to the "fake news" comment.
"And I would suggest that maybe Dustin is not even aware of what his manager is doing sometimes."
http://www.3aw.com.au/news/caroline-wilson-id-suggest-dustin-doesnt-know-20170516-gw6cgi.html
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It's Barrett I know but he said on Triple M tonight that Dusty is not as connected to Richmond as people believe and that he is still bitter about the last contract negotiations. He said that everyone he talks to in football says Dusty is seriously considering offers from Nort and Saints.
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It's Barrett I know but he said on Triple M tonight that Dusty is not as connected to Richmond as people believe and that he is still bitter about the last contract negotiations. He said that everyone he talks to in football says Dusty is seriously considering offers from Nort and Saints.u
Barrett is militantly anti Richmond and Pro north. I wouldnt worry one bit
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It's Barrett I know but he said on Triple M tonight that Dusty is not as connected to Richmond as people believe and that he is still bitter about the last contract negotiations. He said that everyone he talks to in football says Dusty is seriously considering offers from Nort and Saints.u
Barrett is militantly anti Richmond and Pro north. I wouldnt worry one bit
Yeah I know and I think he is just stubbornly sticking to his guns even though he knows he might be wrong.
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It's Barrett I know but he said on Triple M tonight that Dusty is not as connected to Richmond as people believe and that he is still bitter about the last contract negotiations. He said that everyone he talks to in football says Dusty is seriously considering offers from Nort and Saints.u
Barrett is militantly anti Richmond and Pro north. I wouldnt worry one bit
Yeah I know and I think he is just stubbornly sticking to his guns even though he knows he might be wrong.
Well we would at least match the offer so they will need to pay overs if they can.
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It's Barrett I know but he said on Triple M tonight that Dusty is not as connected to Richmond as people believe and that he is still bitter about the last contract negotiations. He said that everyone he talks to in football says Dusty is seriously considering offers from Nort and Saints.
Another journo also stated that the Saints had ruled out Dusty and we're going for Fyfe. No clue
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It's Barrett I know but he said on Triple M tonight that Dusty is not as connected to Richmond as people believe and that he is still bitter about the last contract negotiations. He said that everyone he talks to in football says Dusty is seriously considering offers from Nort and Saints.
Hmm
I think "bin boy" I has got his contract re-signings a tad muddled
Dusty's last contract negotiation 2 seasons ago was done very quickly with very little fanfare..
It was the one 4 odd seasons ago that was the issue....
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Hardwick also played down reports this week that star free agent Dustin Martin was being "shopped around" to rival clubs by manager Ralph Carr.
"We’re happy with where it's at at the moment … we love Dustin and Dustin loves us," he said.
"Where that takes us we'll find out at some stage.
"His manager has been doing some really good work with Dustin and with us, so we're quite happy with where it's at."
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-18/tigers-new-injury-concern-speedy-forward-butler-to-miss-gws)
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Tom Browne on Ch 7 news just now said Dusty and his manager met with Richmond today. Word from Richmond is there's no change on Dusty's contract status. Browne added there's lots for them to talk about including $$$.
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People need to start preparing.... :shh
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People need to start preparing.... :shh
That's right, preparing to have Dusty around for a long time yet!!
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People need to start preparing.... :shh
it starting to look that way. The only positive that may come if he goes that idiots like dimwit, peggy sue and benny should walk out with him.
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From President Peggy O'Neal's column today:
Where are things at with Dustin Martin and why hasn’t he signed? Is he being shopped around?
We have been quite clear that we are comfortable with Dustin and his management taking the time they need to make a decision on his future. The dealings throughout this process have been professional on both sides and the communications between the Club and his manager Ralph Carr have been constructive.
Free agency rules have changed the football landscape enormously. As a result, there is always significant speculation around player movement, particularly high-profile players. It is something that we have to get used to as uncomfortable as that can be.
We have repeatedly said that we want Dustin to be a part of our Club long-term and that is the outcome we are working towards. We remain confident that will be the case but, equally, we haven’t put any deadline on reaching an agreement.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-05-19/from-the-president-may-19-2017
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The Age has put a pic of Dusty in an article about St Kilda having free spots on their list for two $800k worth players.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stars-in-their-sights-st-kilda-have-salarycap-space-to-sign-two-players-on-800000-each-20170520-gw9b1r.html
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Hey Dusty- if you want the big bucks how about at least kicking set shots from inside 50 directly in front and not having ones from outside 50 smothered?
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Think his heads squarely up his ass ATM
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He's last 4 games have been really poor.Its affected him no doubt about that.They want the big bucks ,but sorry performances have been poor of late,kicking at times,and no defencive pressure.
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He's last 4 games have been really poor.Its affected him no doubt about that.They want the big bucks ,but sorry performances have been poor of late,kicking at times,and no defencive pressure.
His performance have not been poor. Perhaps they have been below his best but they have not been poor.
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His performances were Richo-like....i.e. the reason we were even in the games in the first place but also the reason we ultimately didn't win them... :shh
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He's last 4 games have been really poor.Its affected him no doubt about that.They want the big bucks ,but sorry performances have been poor of late,kicking at times,and no defencive pressure.
His performance have not been poor. Perhaps they have been below his best but they have not been poor.
Sorry for the money his chasing they have been.How many games he doesn't do the team things and defend and man up and miss easy set shots or kicking not up to scratch.
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He's last 4 games have been really poor.Its affected him no doubt about that.They want the big bucks ,but sorry performances have been poor of late,kicking at times,and no defencive pressure.
His performance have not been poor. Perhaps they have been below his best but they have not been poor.
Sorry for the money his chasing they have been.How many games he doesn't do the team things and defend and man up and miss easy set shots or kicking not up to scratch.
I think Dio is closer to the mark on his assessment of Dusty's last few games.
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Doesn't want to chase
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Dusty and Rance are our best.
Get the deal done.
Anyone who thinks he is not up to snuff has no idea.
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MARTIN: 'IT'S A GREAT CLUB'
Herald-Sun
24 May 2017
RICHMOND midfielder Dustin Martin says the club has been a great support to him as he continues to deal with his father Shane being banned from Australia but he is in no rush to sign a new contract.
Shane Martin was booted back to his native New Zealand in March last year over his involvement with the Rebels outlaw motorcycle gang — one of the most high-profile victims of the Federal Government’s anti-bikie blitz.
In a video chat with close friend and Brownlow medallist Dane Swan for mobile phone app ‘Footy Live’, Martin said the Tigers had been incredibly supportive in allowing him to cross the Tasman for regular visits.
“It’s a great club and I’ve got a lot of close mates there and (I’m) really enjoying it,” Martin said.
“I probably went back (to New Zealand) three or four times last year. Obviously the old man’s stuck over there so he’s not having much fun so I get over there when I can. The club’s been great. I’ve been over there once (this year), that was probably a month or so ago for the weekend, and I’ll go over for the bye as well.”
Out-of-contract at the end of the season, Martin said he had enjoyed helping the Tigers to a few wins over the opening months of their campaign but would leave contract talks until the end of the year.
“It’s a unique position to be in, free agency,” Martin said.
“I’m happy the way I’m going at the moment and we’ll deal with that at the end of the season.”
It was reported on Monday that North Melbourne’s board has ticked off a six-year contract offer worth more than $1 million a season to lure the 25-year-old to Arden Street.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia/news-story/74f8d3813ce59ea391e014903698f140
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Jake Niall just said on AFL Tonight that Essendon are into him now as well....
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About time we took him to a bar on chapel st, plenty of grog, journos and chopsticks😂
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I wonder if this isn't just a tactic from all the other clubs to drive his price up (and thus forcing us to lose cap space).
I doubt anyone is willing to trade for him, but poach an A 'grader for a mill a year without having to give anything up is = great list management.
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Not concerned at all.
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I wonder if this isn't just a tactic from all the other clubs to drive his price up (and thus forcing us to lose cap space).
I doubt anyone is willing to trade for him, but poach an A 'grader for a mill a year without having to give anything up is = great list management.
We started at $800K for our opening offer. I doubt that $1 million dollars is too damaging to us. I assume the club has been prepared for this. It is one of the reasons why we haven't made a play for Fyfe.
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I wonder if this isn't just a tactic from all the other clubs to drive his price up (and thus forcing us to lose cap space).
I doubt anyone is willing to trade for him, but poach an A 'grader for a mill a year without having to give anything up is = great list management.
We started at $800K for our opening offer. I doubt that $1 million dollars is too damaging to us. I assume the club has been prepared for this. It is one of the reasons why we haven't made a play for Fyfe.
Ah yes but what happens when the Dons offer $1.2?
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Not concerned at all.
Ditto
;D
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I wonder if this isn't just a tactic from all the other clubs to drive his price up (and thus forcing us to lose cap space).
I doubt anyone is willing to trade for him, but poach an A 'grader for a mill a year without having to give anything up is = great list management.
We started at $800K for our opening offer. I doubt that $1 million dollars is too damaging to us. I assume the club has been prepared for this. It is one of the reasons why we haven't made a play for Fyfe.
Ah yes but what happens when the Dons offer $1.2?
Will they though? Will he accept a move for $100k after tax when he'll already be the highest paid player at Richmond where all his mates are? I doubt it.
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I wonder if this isn't just a tactic from all the other clubs to drive his price up (and thus forcing us to lose cap space).
I doubt anyone is willing to trade for him, but poach an A 'grader for a mill a year without having to give anything up is = great list management.
We started at $800K for our opening offer. I doubt that $1 million dollars is too damaging to us. I assume the club has been prepared for this. It is one of the reasons why we haven't made a play for Fyfe.
Ah yes but what happens when the Dons offer $1.2?
Will they though? Will he accept a move for $100k after tax when he'll already be the highest paid player at Richmond where all his mates are? I doubt it.
I'd say probably not (moving for 1.2k) but that's still a gamble. Watch the Richmond faithful have a meltdown if he does go for an extra 100k.
And really, my point is that for every "offer" that gets thrown at him by other clubs it still drives the price up further and we have to come up with something close enough to it to be reasonable.
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Not concerned at all.
Ditto
;D
Didn't you two blokes say Lids was staying?
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Not concerned at all.
Ditto
;D
Didn't you two blokes say Lids was staying?
During trade time or during his last contract negotiation?
With contract talks always knew he'd stay
During last year's trade period, initially believed he would stay because he said he was staying because he being contracted he had to agree. But as soon as he said he wanted out, knew he was goneskis
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Not concerned at all.
Ditto
;D
Didn't you two blokes say Lids was staying?
During trade time or during his last contract negotiation?
With contract talks always knew he'd stay
During last year's trade period, initially believed he would stay because he said he was staying because he being contracted he had to agree. But as soon as he said he wanted out, knew he was goneskis
How confident are you that Dusty stays?
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How confident are you that Dusty stays?
Right now Very
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He ain't going anywhere
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How confident are you that Dusty stays?
Right now Very
What if we miss finals?
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What if we miss finals?
My personal view is I don't think that actually missing the finals would have any bearing on it
But what missing finals the may lead to; I think will have a massive bearing
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A certain someone perhaps :shh
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Whilst appearing in a video for @Sportsmate, Dustin Martin has claimed reports linking him with a move away from Punt Road are "bulls___".
Martin explained: "the journos like to make up stories, and this is just another one to their list."
You can watch Martin's video with @swandane for @Sportsmate via the link: https://www.facebook.com/AFLLive/videos/1763311203696262/
Dusty to North Melbourne? Dusty to Essendon? We're sick of fake news and Dustin Martin is too... All in Part 2 of Straight Shootin' with Dane Swan.
Check out the full episode with Dustin Martin here: https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/id306930083?mt=8
https://twitter.com/AFLTrade/status/867586808263057408
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Not concerned at all.
Ditto
;D
Didn't you two blokes say Lids was staying?
I did. I had constant discussions with a person who knows things and he was saying Lids wanted to stay until late and GWS were all over Edwards. Things change i guess :-\
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^^ Which means however smugly confident we are of someone staying, there's always a chance they'll go^^
(Albeit Lids went with the blessing of the club).
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Not concerned at all.
Ditto
;D
Didn't you two blokes say Lids was staying?
I did. I had constant discussions with a person who knows things and he was saying Lids wanted to stay until late and GWS were all over Edwards. Things change i guess :-\
Well, I certainly hope you're right this time around :thumbsup
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If Dusty is only holding off until the end of the year to back himself in to deliver and get a better deal then he's being smart. He will get another 3 Brownlow votes tonight.
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Club and Dusty just waiting for confirmation of how much the salary cap will increase by under the new CBA before finalising the deal.
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Shaun Grigg makes massive call on Dustin Martin s future at Tigers
7Sport
May 28, 2017, 1:58 pm
Shaun Grigg was asked to rate Dustin Martin's chances of staying at Richmond out of 10, and his answer might worry some Tigers fans.
Martin is one of the biggest names among the players who become eligible for free agency at the end of the 2017 campaign.
He's been linked to Essendon and North Melbourne in recent weeks, and when asked about his teammate on AFL Game Day on Sunday, Grigg wasn't 100% certain Martin would stay.
"Last year I would have said Deledio was 10 out of 10 to stay so I’ve got no idea," Grigg said.
Grigg (centre) and Martin (R). Image: Getty
"I’m hopeful, I really want him to so I’ll say about an 8."
North are poised to offer Martin a long-term deal believed to be worth at least $1 million a year, Fairfax Media reports.
The deal would be expected to last until at least 2022 for the 25-year-old goal-kicking midfielder, who has previously told Richmond he will not make a decision on his future until the end of the current season.
Richmond have offered Martin a five-year deal believed to also be worth $1 million per season.
Richmond's football boss Neil Balme said the club was in constant contact with Martin's agent and was not aware of specific offers from rival clubs.
"We accept that this is the way it is and we completely understand it's Dustin's right to consider his future," Balme told Fairfax.
A best-afield performance from Martin helped Richmond to a pulsating 15-point win over Essendon in the AFL's Dreamtime at the 'G clash on Saturday night.
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/a/35672328/shaun-grigg-makes-massive-call-on-dustin-martins-future-at-tigers/#page1
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Damien Hardwick says “no foundation” to rumour of massive $1.6 million offer for Dustin Martin
Gilbert Gardiner,
Herald Sun
1 June 2017
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick is not worried about the protracted contract talks with Dustin Martin, and rubbished the $1.6m figure being bandied around for the rock star midfielder.
Martin has been linked with several clubs including North Melbourne and Essendon, with most speculation claiming the Bombers are prepared to shell out $1.6m a season for Tigers matchwinner.
“1.6 yeah, makes me wish I was Dusty. It’d be nice,” Hardwick said.
“It is what it is, it’s the age that we’re in, the figures get bandied around.
“No one is any more aware than us, those figures are easy to say. Whether it’s true or not, I don’t know.
“It’s easy for an SEN commentator to say, but there is no foundation to that basis.
“We’re not too worried about it, we know where it is, once we know more you’ll know more.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/damien-hardwick-says-no-foundation-to-rumour-of-massive-16-million-offer-for-dustin-martin/news-story/67818339dbced83e0c8504ffa4784296
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Richmond success should keep Martin at Tigerland
June 5, 2017 7:38pm
Max Laughton
FOX SPORTS
Martin has been linked to a number of clubs, including North Melbourne and Essendon on as much as $1.6 million per season, as the restricted free agent plays some of the best footy of his career.
But Swan — who has spent plenty of time with Martin outside of footy — believes the star is driven by on-field success, and that the Tigers are close to achieving that.
“He’s in a very good spot, he loves Richmond and he’s playing some incredible footy there,” Swan told Fox Sports News’ AFL Tonight.
“And I think Richmond is just on the verge of some success which they haven’t had for a long time. Speaking to Dusty, I know that’s something that drives him, not just the big contract which he’s gonna get no matter what but playing finals.
“There’s light at the end of the tunnel with Richmond ... and I think that’s going to go a long way to helping him stay there.”
Martin, who finished third in the Brownlow Medal last season, has arguably been even better this season. He is currently a close second to last year’s winner Patrick Dangerfield in most betting markets for the award.
The recently retired Swan revealed that Martin has been participating in extra training sessions to keep himself ahead of the rest of the league.
He also praised Richmond for allowing Martin to travel to New Zealand to visit his dad during the club’s bye week.
“I’m sure he’ll do the right thing, he’s been doing extra sessions, boxing once or twice a week to keep himself fit and ahead of the rest of the pack,” Swan said.
“So I’m sure he’ll be doing whatever he can over there to get himself right for in two weeks’ time with whoever they play.”
Swan joked that Martin’s bye week exploits wouldn’t be quite the same as what the pair have gotten up to in previous times away from footy.
“Yeah, times have changed a little bit. There’s a lot more camera phones these days so you can’t get away with what you could,” he said.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dane-swan-says-richmonds-success-this-season-will-go-a-long-way-towards-keeping-dustin-martin-at-tigerland/news-story/bdfaff131cb3c3cb37885a86b7a8c3c6
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If this is the case then I really hope we are not seeing yet another false dawn.
We have some real weaknesses in our list that need to be addressed before I think we will see sustained success.
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Tigers want Dusty to make a call soon
afl.com.au
17 June 2017
RICHMOND will seek an answer from superstar Dustin Martin about his future in the next few weeks.
Martin, 25, will be a restricted free agent at the end of the season and has expressed his desire to put off contract talks until the end of the season.
Tigers CEO Brendon Gale told ABC Radio on Saturday the club wanted an indication from Martin and his manager Ralph Carr about what the powerful midfielder would do.
"We're probably approaching that time where we'd like to get a sense of where their heads are at because we do have to plan (our) salary cap and other players, so I guess we're approaching that point," Gale said.
"They’ve (Martin and Carr) indicated they’d like to hold off until the end of the year and that’s sort of where it’s at."
Along with Greater Western Sydney onballer Josh Kelly and Fremantle captain Nat Fyfe, Martin is among the highly sought-after out-of-contract players in the game.
Gale pointed out Richmond held an advantage over other clubs in the bid for Martin.
"He's a restricted free agent … so we've always got the right to match any offer," Gale said.
"We do have that in the background but I'm fairly confident it won't come to that."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-17/tigers-want-dustin-martin-to-make-a-call-soon
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Looked injured today for mine.
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Looked injured today for mine.
Unquestionably. Lacked is normal explosiveness around the clearances.
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So on one hand Benny says the club wants a decision to they can plan
And a few paragraphs later says he's a restricted and we can match any bid
A slight contradiction right there me thinks ::)
But no surprise
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Martin has said all season that he wants to wait until the end of the season, and we have said we are happy to do so.
Now we are asking for an indication of where he is heading.
In light of our oft repeated line that we are comfortable with things and that the dialogue is still open between the camps, this doesn't make much sense.
Dusty would be plain crazy to reveal his hand until the player pay negotiations are finalised.
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Martin has said all season that he wants to wait until the end of the season, and we have said we are happy to do so.
Now we are asking for an indication of where he is heading.
In light of our oft repeated line that we are comfortable with things and that the dialogue is still open between the camps, this doesn't make much sense.
Dusty would be plain crazy to reveal his hand until the player pay negotiations are finalised.
Not Benny's best interview
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Martin has said all season that he wants to wait until the end of the season, and we have said we are happy to do so.
Now we are asking for an indication of where he is heading.
In light of our oft repeated line that we are comfortable with things and that the dialogue is still open between the camps, this doesn't make much sense.
Dusty would be plain crazy to reveal his hand until the player pay negotiations are finalised.
Not Benny's best interview
Must admit I didn't actually hear it, only read what has been reported.
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So in my hand Benny says the club wants a decision to they can plan
And a few paragraphs later says he's a restricted and we can match any bid
A slight contradiction right there me thinks ::)
But no surprise
Wonder if the left hand knows what the right hand is doing.
Different tone to the interview on 360 the other night.
Perhaps dialogue has been shut down, Ralph has a lot on his plate touring with Elvis ATM
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Surely Halfstep will finaly get the arse if Martin bails...
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Surely Halfstep will finaly get the arse if Martin bails...
he should and most of us can see it, but when you are lead by peggy sue and fail i would say an extension is more likely.
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Surely Halfstep will finaly get the arse if Martin bails...
he should and most of us can see it, but when you are lead by peggy sue and fail i would say an extension is more likely.
Martin will definitely bail if Hardwick gets the flick,
Rock and hard place applies here
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Ch 7 news is claiming Dusty's manager Ralph Carr has spoken to two opposition clubs this weekend.
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Surely Halfstep will finaly get the arse if Martin bails...
he should and most of us can see it, but when you are lead by peggy sue and fail i would say an extension is more likely.
Martin will definitely bail if Hardwick gets the flick,
Rock and hard place applies here
Very concerning.
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Surely Halfstep will finaly get the arse if Martin bails...
he should and most of us can see it, but when you are lead by peggy sue and fail i would say an extension is more likely.
Martin will definitely bail if Hardwick gets the flick,
Rock and hard place applies here
Very concerning.
Should have added it's my opinion only
Just an opinion
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Looks like the groin is hampering him...
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Tigers are feeling the heat on Martin's future
Mick Stirling
sportingnews.com.au
19 June 2017
The powers that be at Richmond are starting to get nervous as Dustin Martin’s future remains in limbo.
Reports have emerged that Martin’s manager Ralph Carr talked to representatives from two other Victorian clubs last week, while it is also rumoured Brisbane coach Chris Fagan shared a coffee with the superstar Tiger recently.
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale suggested the club would like to settle matters sooner rather than later, but that wasn’t happening.
“We’d like to get a sense of where their (Martin and Carr’s) heads are at because we do have to plan (our) salary cap and other players,” Gale told ABC radio on the weekend.
“He’s a restricted free agent … so we’ve always got the right to match any offer … but I’m fairly confident it won’t come to that.”
Channel Seven football reporter Mark Stevens said Martin’s manager had been busy shopping his client around.
“I can confirm that Carr met with two clubs in the past two days,” Stevens said on Seven’s AFL Game Day.
“One on Friday and one on Saturday, so a lot of work going on behind the scenes with Dustin Martin, as you’d expect.”
Tiger fans may want to read the reports differently and think that Carr could be talking to clubs about one of his other clients, such as talented GWS defender Nick Haynes who may be interested in a return home to Victoria.
It doesn’t hurt to think positively.
http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/tigers-are-feeling-the-heat-on-martins-future-richmond-afl-dustin-dusty-contract-gale/1edd15dsoaofi14k5qa410rw96
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Michael McGuane @MickMCG34
Dustin Martin will stay @Richmond_FC super confident he won't be going anywhere.
10:22 PM - 19 Jun 2017
https://twitter.com/MickMCG34
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Matthew Lloyd: "If Martin wants to stay in Melbourne, there's not too many teams you would want to leave Richmond to go to"
https://twitter.com/SportsdayRadio
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This should help get the ball rolling.
AFL set to announce new collective bargaining agreement with players ahead of Hall of Fame
AAP
June 19, 2017 11:35pm
THE AFL is set to announce its long-awaited collective bargaining agreement with the players before the annual Hall Of Fame ceremony.
The Herald Sun reported last month the league had reached a six-year deal with the AFLPA with an announcement expected ahead of the Tuesday night dinner in Adelaide.
The most striking feature of the new CBA should be a whopping 20 per cent increase this year, meaning major pay increases for some players.
It would also mean several clubs will have much more money in their war chests to pursue star players who are about to come out off contract.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-set-to-announce-new-collective-bargaining-agreement-with-players-ahead-of-hall-of-fame/news-story/7d18f080e1e209a87d9c1c707c2090fc
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Has he signed on the dotted line yet.
The CBA all done, it was actually weeks ago :shh.
Typically the gestapo where waiting for the perfect time to announce it.
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Richmond would be silly not to match any free agency offer for Dustin Martin
Jon Ralph,
Herald Sun
21 June 2017
RICHMOND has already taken on free agency’s arcane loopholes and won by trading Brett Deledio at the top of his value.
Clubs reluctantly accepted the player body’s demand for more player movement but the smarter ones are prospering.
Now the Tigers can help their case with Dustin Martin by stating they will matching his restricted free agency no matter what cost.
To date no one has yet officially matched a free agency bid and yet the cannier clubs have played the market well.
Adelaide effectively did just that by forcing Geelong into a trade for Patrick Dangerfield with threat of matching and reaped picks 9, 28 and Dean Gore rather than a late first-round pick.
Richmond happily accepted the Giants’ first and third-round selections in 2017 when Deledio wanted out, aware he was a free agent this year anyway.
Just as Paul Roos had predicted after studying American free agency, clubs aware they could lose free agents would trade them 12 months before.
Just imagine what kind of free agency compensation they would have got this year for Deledio.
A banged up midfielder turning 31 in the first month of the season with a body that keeps breaking down.
So big tick for the Tigers.
Now the Martin situation confronts them, with no one really knowing exactly what he might do.
He has absolutely no reason to leave — he has a deal of over $1 million a year in front of him, his club is well placed for success, he is content at the club.
But pushing the message that under free agency rights they would match any bid might make their hand even stronger.
Brendon Gale has already inferred it, saying on Saturday: “He’s a restricted free agent. So we’ve always got the right to match any sort of offer. I guess we do have that in the background.”
Under free agency rights if a player’s restricted free agency bid is matched, they can either stay, nominate for the draft or the clubs can broker a trade.
If Martin departed the Tigers would receive a pick after their first round selection.
It is currently pick 13, so receiving pick 14 for Martin would follow a long line of clubs being shafted with inadequate compensation.
Pick 14 is the same number Adelaide refused to accept as compensation for Dangerfield.
If Martin had a bid from a club like North Melbourne or Essendon matched, there is some chance he would still stay at the Tigers.
Ryan O’Keefe and Bryce Gibbs before him looked to be traded then sucked it up and immediately put in excellent seasons when they remained.
The option of going into the draft wouldn’t appeal at all to Martin given Brisbane are expected to have the No.1 pick in the pre-season and national drafts.
So the only other option is those clubs being forced into trading for Martin.
Richmond could immediately ask for something like North Melbourne’s first pick (currently No.3) and Mason Wood, or Essendon’s first pick (11) and a marking forward.
All of those permutations are a long way down the track.
But at least it would plant the seed to Martin that departing would be far from swanning out the door to a new location.
Hawthorn couldn’t hope to match Lance Franklin’s Sydney offer given their tight salary cap.
But Richmond will have new CBA dollars and will no longer be paying $300,000 of Deledio’s wage to GWS.
It isn’t paying for departing players Chris Yarran or Tyrone Vickery and could match crazy money even if it only led to an immediate trade.
The worst outcome from matching is a superior trade to pick No.14 and the downside is basically nothing.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/jon-ralph/richmond-would-be-silly-not-to-match-any-free-agency-offer-for-dustin-martin/news-story/d7d27bb7db01fb3cfb796e970a564131
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Hardwick said Martin's ongoing contract situation was not an issue for the club, with the Richmond coach putting no pressure on his star midfielder to re-sign.
"We've sort of known all along that Dusty and his management are determined to make their decision in due course," Hardwick said.
"So it doesn't affect me one way or the other, all I do is prepare Dustin to play his best possible footy."
"I'm prepared to wait as long as it takes for Dusty to make his decision, that's his right as a player and I respect that."
Source: The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-rebukes-danny-frawley-over-mental-disintegration-claim-20170621-gwvfq9.html)
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Where's he going to go?
Saints? Bigger basket case than us
Norf? Spare me
Freo? Yeah right
If he wants money/success, Richmond are the best combination right now and ironically would be one of the leading contenders if he was at another club right now
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I still maintain it wouldn't be the worst thing if he left but we matched the offer and forced a trade.
I would love to go into this years draft with 4 first round draft picks. There are some good mid's in there.
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Given the increase in the salary cap I can't see us doing anything other than matching any offer and forcing a trade. That rules several clubs out already. I'm not worried anyway. I'm pretty confident he'll re-sign and everyone else can say how over rated he is and that they never wanted him anyway.
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Another day and another media article linking Dusty to a different club :sleep. According to this one, Hawthorn will be making a big play for Dusty.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/gary-buckenara-says-hawthorn-could-be-the-quiet-sleeper-in-the-race-for-dustin-martin/news-story/7ba82c163afb7b24bcc2b99f1301d4de
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Clubs can do what they want but if an offer is put to Dusty and we match it what would a club like Hawthorn have to offer us....= nothing!
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Clubs can do what they want but if an offer is put to Dusty and we match it what would a club like Hawthorn have to offer us....= nothing!
A KPF that can pinch hit in the ruck?
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Freo? Yeah right
Not sure mate, wouldn't think so though
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Clubs can do what they want but if an offer is put to Dusty and we match it what would a club like Hawthorn have to offer us....= nothing!
A KPF that can pinch hit in the ruck?
Well that'd be a hickory, dickory shock, that trade would be a lock, when the clock strikes 2 he'd do his poo and we'd dump him off at the next block
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:lol
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And as for the multi-million dollar question the footy world wants answered, Carr insists there's "nothing to report" on Martin's negotiations, but believes he's helped the 25-year-old learn to live in the spotlight.
"I would like to think that we have played a role in helping him become a professional on, and off the field," he says.
"Dustin is a remarkable player and person."
RALPH CARR'S VIEWS
On player movement:
I think we'll see more of this in the future. I would like to think that the AFL will put something in place to benefit the club who has developed the player to the point of reaching free agency. It would be great for players to be able to stay at their existing clubs, and not suffer financially.
On a manager's role:
I think that the contract is a small part of the bigger picture. As player managers, we need to understand the person, the family, and ambition. These are far more important things to address in getting a better performance from our clients.
On standing firm at the negotiating table:
I always try and remove myself from the emotion and try and be a realist about the market value of a client.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-23/another-tiger-joins-ralph-carrs-famous-stable
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"I would like to think that we have played a role in helping him become a professional on, and off the field," he says.
This from the Merkin, I'm assuming when he means "WE" the RFC have done a hell of a job in this process also.
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Dusty today reminded the Club how important he is to the team.
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Dusty now leading the AFL Coaches Association Award:
AFLCA LEADERBOARD
63 Dustin Martin (Rich)
62 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
57 Elliot Yeo (WC)
56 Joel Selwood (Geel)
53 Rory Sloane (Adel)
50 Gary Ablett (GC)
48 Zach Merrett (Ess)
48 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
46 Clayton Oliver (Melb)
43 Josh Kennedy (Syd)
43 Alex Rance (Rich)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-26/aflca-votes-round-14-superstars-surge-to-the-top
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Tigers mad if they let Dusty walk
Jesper Fjeldstad,
The Advertiser
July 1, 2017
FORMER Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams will play a central role as Tigers superstar Dustin Martin decides on his future.
Williams, 58, now coaches amateur side Ajax in Melbourne and serves as the director of coaching and development for Maccabi Victoria, an organisation that develops more than 4000 athletes across several sports.
But he remains close to Martin, whom he was assigned to mentor in his four seasons as a development coach at Punt Road, and is part of the inner circle that is constantly pestered about the All-Australian’s future.
He also maintains contact with Martin’s father Shane, who lives in New Zealand after being deported for his links to the Rebels motorcycle club.
Put bluntly, Williams — Port Adelaide’s only AFL premiership coach — agreed with the widespread notion that Richmond would be mad to let him go.
“Dustin’s going great,” Williams said. “I was talking to his dad the other day, over in New Zealand.
“We keep in contact and compare notes about what he’s up to and what he might be doing in the future. It’s all good.
“They would be (mad to let him go), there’s no doubt about it.
“He’s outstanding as far as his durability and consistency.
“Those two things are always paramount when you’re looking at contracts. He still delivers in performance, one week after the other.”
Martin has reportedly been heavily courted by North Melbourne, who is understood to be ready to part with more than $1 million a season over a long-term deal for the 26-year-old.
There have also been unconfirmed whispers that both Adelaide and Essendon have shown some interest.
But the Crows and the Bombers have denied chasing Martin or tabling an offer.
Last month, Martin tweeted out reports surrounding a bidding war over his future as “fake news”, only to later withdraw the tweet.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/former-power-afl-premiership-coach-mark-williams-says-richmond-mad-if-they-let-dustin-martin-go/news-story/35ba61feb1ac5084fb8563846294a1c5
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Ch 7 news last night said Richmond has upped the length of Dusty's new contract offer to 6 years.
They also said the length of any new contract is as much as important to Dusty as the money.
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$900,00-$1,200,000 for 6 years fair?
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$900,00-$1,200,000 for 6 years fair?
i think 1.2 for the next five years. He's worth every cent.
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At least a million p.a over 6 years. Worth every cent.
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Salaries will inevitably rise. Getting him for 1 mill a year for six would be a fantastic deal.
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Every time we win and he plays well , this thread reappears.
Just for some equality, when he had down weeks, there doesn't seem to be any articles dropping his price.
Could only wish salaries worked like that for non sportsmans in the real world.
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Pay him whatever it takes....
Simple
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If he continues in this vein he'll become one of Richmonds best ever players. He is just awesome. Speed, enormous strength, amazing foot skills.
Just give him $1.2 million for 6 years and get him to sign. Just do it.
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Pay him whatever it takes....
Simple
Agree.
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Martin is the match winner you wait your whole life to see. He proved it against Port on the weekend.
Just pay him and sign him for the next 10 years. He can "do a Lethal" and play the last 4 years as a forward and will kick 40+ goals per season
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Pay him whatever it takes....
Simple
Agree.
Blank cheque
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What about 600K pa and we pay his tattooist?
This would equate to abt 1.5mill pa
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6 years, $7 million.
Get it done Tigers...
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6 years, $7 million.
Get it done Tigers...
Sounds about right, however I don't think this will get the deal done, will be closer to 8 mill for 5 yrs hopefully 6 yrs methinks
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6 years, $7 million.
Get it done Tigers...
Sounds about right, however I don't think this will get the deal done, will be closer to 8 mill for 5 yrs hopefully 6 yrs methinks
Actually, given the recent EBA that's probably on point ;)
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And the award for most ridiculous media story :facepalm goes to ...
Jake King arrest will cast a cloud over Dustin Martin deals
The Rover
sportingnews.com.au
6 July 2017
The arrests yesterday of former Richmond players Jake King and Ty Vickery is having an immediate effect on one of the biggest stories in football – Dustin Martin’s playing future.
King in particular is good friends with Martin, and both share a worrying connection to outlaw motorcycle gangs.
Add to that Martin’s father Shane, who has been banned entry into the country, and warning bells are ringing loud in recruiting departments around the land.
What may have been a bit of marketable colour in Dusty’s private life has suddenly become a very real, culture-destroying concern that already has clubs reassessing trade strategies.
Not surprisingly no-one’s going on record, but the suggestion was made on Wednesday night that Nat Fyfe’s phone is going to be running hot as clubs turn to a “trouble-free superstar option”.
I suppose it comes down to whether you want a player loved by his teammates or loved by the police.
Personally I’m not so sure the choice is clear.
http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/jake-king-arrest-will-cast-a-cloud-over-dustin-martin-deals-afl-richmond-tigers-ty-vickery-dusty-shane/15jvk7rdqxwwt16bxnju7qeqy0
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What a rubbish, and frankly disgusting piece of gutter journalism.
I guess one crime begets a footballer who we are told looks like a crim.
I'm stuffing appalled.
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Oh my god, sinking to new lows.
That is a disgusting article.
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Well I thought it was a superb article and sincerely hope the entire football world take note.... :shh
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And the award for most ridiculous media story :facepalm goes to ...
Jake King arrest will cast a cloud over Dustin Martin deals
The Rover
sportingnews.com.au
6 July 2017
The arrests yesterday of former Richmond players Jake King and Ty Vickery is having an immediate effect on one of the biggest stories in football – Dustin Martin’s playing future.
King in particular is good friends with Martin, and both share a worrying connection to outlaw motorcycle gangs.
Add to that Martin’s father Shane, who has been banned entry into the country, and warning bells are ringing loud in recruiting departments around the land.
What may have been a bit of marketable colour in Dusty’s private life has suddenly become a very real, culture-destroying concern that already has clubs reassessing trade strategies.
Not surprisingly no-one’s going on record, but the suggestion was made on Wednesday night that Nat Fyfe’s phone is going to be running hot as clubs turn to a “trouble-free superstar option”.
I suppose it comes down to whether you want a player loved by his teammates or loved by the police.
Personally I’m not so sure the choice is clear.
http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/jake-king-arrest-will-cast-a-cloud-over-dustin-martin-deals-afl-richmond-tigers-ty-vickery-dusty-shane/15jvk7rdqxwwt16bxnju7qeqy0
Wow who organised this little gem to unsettle would be suitors... :clapping
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According to Hutchy, Barrett will have "some big news" about Dusty on the Footy Show tonight.
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According to Hutchy, Barrett will have "some big news" about Dusty on the Footy Show tonight.
Okay here it is:
Barrett reckons Dusty isn't re-signing because his manager Ralph Carr is still angry about what happened with Richmond in 2013 (leading to the GWS visit and all that). Carr "fell out" with the Richmond hierarchy. However, when GWS and all other clubs pulled out, Dusty had to re-sign with Richmond for lesser money than what was originally offered by the Tigers (we took our original offer off the table during the 2013 negotiations). Dusty re-signed in 2015 but did so knowing he'll be a free agent in 2017. Carr is directly involved in the current negotiations and according to Barrett, Carr has a long memory and is still angry with the RFC.
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Anyone got Jake King's number?
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According to Hutchy, Barrett will have "some big news" about Dusty on the Footy Show tonight.
Okay here it is:
Barrett reckons Dusty isn't re-signing because his manager Ralph Carr is still angry about what happened with Richmond in 2013 (leading to the GWS visit and all that). Carr "fell out" with the Richmond hierarchy. However, when GWS and all other clubs pulled out, Dusty had to re-sign with Richmond for lesser money than what was originally offered by the Tigers (we took our original offer off the table during the 2013 negotiations). Dusty re-signed in 2015 but did so knowing he'll be a free agent in 2017. Carr is directly involved in the current negotiations and according to Barrett, Carr has a long memory and is still angry with the RFC.
Here's the clip of Barrett's segment about Dusty:
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFLFootyShow/status/882923577195995136
@barrettdamian has reported that Martin is holding Richmond at bay because that is what the club did to him four years ago. #9AFLFootyShow
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According to Hutchy, Barrett will have "some big news" about Dusty on the Footy Show tonight.
Okay here it is:
Barrett reckons Dusty isn't re-signing because his manager Ralph Carr is still angry about what happened with Richmond in 2013 (leading to the GWS visit and all that). Carr "fell out" with the Richmond hierarchy. However, when GWS and all other clubs pulled out, Dusty had to re-sign with Richmond for lesser money than what was originally offered by the Tigers (we took our original offer off the table during the 2013 negotiations). Dusty re-signed in 2015 but did so knowing he'll be a free agent in 2017. Carr is directly involved in the current negotiations and according to Barrett, Carr has a long memory and is still angry with the RFC.
What a pathetic story. How this guy gets paid to write and or say this crap is beyond belief. None story and attention seeking from this flog. I have no doubt Dusty will sign on and remain a Tiger.
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That is what you call scraping the bottom of the barrel. What a dumbfuck
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And they wonder why people don't watch this stupid show anymore
SO which is it exactly?
Ralph's angry or Dusty's angry :rollin :rollin
Maybe Bin Boy's the one who's angry ;D
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Barrett is a leper.
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Well I thought it was a superb article and sincerely hope the entire football world take note.... :shh
Yep, Dusty should be happy we're even considering re-signing him and take a pay cut. $600,000 p.a seems fair?
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Where's there's smoke...
It's a real concern how this is playing out IMO
We have a few clubs with bigger cheques than us
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Where's there's smoke...
It's a real concern how this is playing out IMO
We have a few clubs with bigger cheques than us
They have to make formal offers and we can match them if we want. How do you know their cheque books are bigger?
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Where's there's smoke...
It's a real concern how this is playing out IMO
We have a few clubs with bigger cheques than us
They have to make formal offers and we can match them if we want. How do you know their cheque books are bigger?
Come on. I doubt we would match a grandfather offer, nor be in a position to do so
North, Bombers, Saints haven't got bigger cheque books?
If Kelly leaves as I suspect he will who knows what GWS will throw at Martin.
All the talk is that he is staying, but im not so sure with what's been floating around lately
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Where's there's smoke...
It's a real concern how this is playing out IMO
We have a few clubs with bigger cheques than us
(http://www.signblitz.com.au/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/PIX-BIG-CHEQUE-e1419807696758.jpg)
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And on SEN Balmey's just gone whackety, whack, whack at Barrert over his "crap" from last night's footy show :clapping
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Sounds like utter BS anyway.
Watch Dusty every time we kick a goal or win a game.
Angry? The bloke looks happy as Larry.
I'm still convinced he will stay, and any contract offered to him can be matched, and to be honest it's worth matching basically any offer made to him. Ball is in our court and I suspect he will do the right thing by re-signing with the Tiges.
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Where's there's smoke...
It's a real concern how this is playing out IMO
We have a few clubs with bigger cheques than us
It's a lie, don't be so gull a bull
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Where's there's smoke...
It's a real concern how this is playing out IMO
We have a few clubs with bigger cheques than us
It's a lie, don't be so gull a bull gullible :cheers
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Pretty sure HRT just wrote it like that for effect.
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Lol 65 probably hasn't seen Waynes World, too busy watching communist propaganda films on the ol' 8mm :shh
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And on SEN Balmey's just gone whackety, whack, whack at Barrert over his "crap" from last night's footy show :clapping
Here's the audio of what Balmey said :clapping.
AUDIO: https://audioboom.com/posts/6083427-neil-balme-responds-to-damien-barrett-on-hungry-for-sport
"Doesn’t he talk some crap?” Balme slams Dusty report
By SEN
7 July 2017
Richmond football boss Neil Balme has launched a scathing attack after Damian Barrett last night reported that resentment from Dustin Martin’s contract talks in 2013 is behind the current protracted negotiation.
“Richmond effectively pulled its initial offer for Dustin Martin and as such re-tabled an offer with less financial component to it, so he stayed at Richmond for less money, but the anger stayed with Carr and his management,” Barrett said on Channel 9's The Footy Show.
“(They) re-contracted in 2015, but with the knowledge that he would be a free agent at the end of this season.”
“The clubs that are now pitching for Dustin Martin’s services are saying to us that this time around clearly in their eyes with Ralph Carr having the clear whip hand in these negotiations, unlike last time, that’s to them is the reason the protracted negotiations have been the way they are and there is a very long memory at play here.”
This morning, Balme slammed Barrett’s report telling SEN’s Hungry For Sport that it's “meaningless rubbish”.
“It’s just one more cross against his name. Doesn’t he talk some crap?” he said.
“He’s reporting what he thinks he wants to know – he’s making half of that crap up.
“They have to say something to make themselves meaningful – and I get it – but it’s just horrible…its meaningless rubbish.
“He’s writing a drama novel.
“Unfortunately he’s in a terrible position because they (Channel 9) make him the news breaker – and I actually get on well with him as a bloke, but as a news breaker (I’m) not that happy.”
Balme said that while he understands the interest in Martin’s future, Richmond will not be playing it out publically.
“Everyone wants it all to be public, it’s between us and the player and that’s what it was with Gary (Ablett).
“It simply comes down to where he (Dustin) wants to play, it’s as simple as that so he’ll make that decision.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/07/07/doesn-t-he-talk-some-crap-balme-slams-dusty-report/
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I love balmey
fun fact - That germ Barret has been 'blacklisted' by collingwood and the bulldogs
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Dustin Martin contract: Why doesn’t he just sign the deal at Richmond? Matthew Lloyd
MATTHEW LLOYD,
Herald Sun
7 July 2017
IT’S hard to understand why the most in-form player in the game, Dustin Martin, and his manager, Ralph Carr, will not discuss his contract with Richmond until the end of the season.
Martin employs Carr to get him the best possible deal, so I do not begrudge him holding out on Richmond while Martin puts together a career-best season.
But why put talks off until year’s end?
Martin has an offer in front of him worth $1 million a season for six years with the Richmond Football Club. It is there for him to sign any day he chooses.
Martin could have another five best on grounds and win the Brownlow Medal, but that offer from Richmond wouldn’t change much at all. You can only pay one player so much in your salary cap and Richmond would be derelict in its duty if it paid him any more than that.
North Melbourne or another club may be willing to pay him $1.25 million per season but when you put the two deals side-by-side, the extra money he receives will be insignificant in comparison to the cult figure status he has at Richmond as well as the relationships he has formed with his coach Damien Hardwick and teammates during eight years at Tigerland.
Martin has been brilliant for Richmond, but Richmond has been even better for Martin.
Trent Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt and Alex Rance not only form the leadership group of the Richmond Football Club, but they are also the face and spokesmen for the playing group.
In an area of game that is forever growing, Martin has been shielded from the media because he has never felt comfortable or wanted to do it and having three champions at the club alongside him, it hasn’t hurt the club.
Take the offer at North Melbourne and it would be a different story.
What price do you put on that if you were another club? Martin is never going to come in and be the captain like Chris Judd was at Carlton or sell the club like Patrick Dangerfield does at Geelong. That must be taken into account when making an offer to a player that would receive the biggest contract in your club’s history.
This is Martin’s biggest payday and it will be life changing. It should set him up for the rest of his life so it’s not a decision he would be taking lightly along with his manager and family, but unless he is seriously considering leaving, which would surprise me, I wonder why this needs to be dragged out like this.
Martin plays at the MCG in front of more than 50,000 adoring fans on almost a weekly basis. He is part of a top-four side bound for finals. His team was the fourth-youngest to take the field last weekend and has plenty of scope for growth. He is surrounded by superstars who ease his off-field pressure.
Oh, I also forgot to mention that he will pocket more than $1 million a year to be in that environment. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side of the fence, which is why waiting until possibly October (if the Tigers make it all the way to the Grand Final) is too big a distraction.
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale said a number of weeks ago that the club would like an answer from Martin and his management sooner rather than later. But that is not going to happen.
Richmond wouldn’t want to upset the apple cart right now by demanding an answer, but it may suggest to Ralph Carr that they would like to know by September 1 so this allows it time to decide if it will match offers from other clubs or turn its attention to raising the stakes in luring the Giants’ Josh Kelly as Martin’s replacement.
Martin is a super player and at 26 is at the peak of his powers. Martin is ranked No.1 at Richmond for disposals, clearances, inside 50s, contested possessions, metres gained and score involvements in 2017.
Martin’s contract status isn’t affecting his form or Richmond’s yet and I say yet as that could change.
Everyone in football knows that Martin and Richmond are the perfect fit for each other.
Nobody wants to see the charade that Carr took Martin on a number of years ago when he was out of contract and toured Greater Western Sydney’s facilities when both the Giants and Tigers knew very early on that Martin never intended to play there.
The sooner Martin signs with Richmond the better.
It would be a wonderful outcome for the Tigers and an even better one for Martin.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/matthew-lloyd-questions-why-dustin-martin-continues-to-delay-contract-talks-with-richmond/news-story/5970223b73865dcc234b0c918b40e57f
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Neil Balme on Dustin Martin re-signing
7Sport
July 7, 2017, 5:57 pm
Richmond football boss Neil Balme has urged Dustin Martin not to follow in Gary Ablett’s footsteps.
Tiger star Martin is believed to be weighing up three offers from rival clubs, who are champing at the bit to snap him up once he becomes a free agent at the end of the 2017 season.
Ablett is one of Geelong's favourite sons, playing 192 games for the Cats before taking up a big-money deal with Gold Coast.
It was hoped that Ablett's presence would translate into on-field success for the Suns, but the move has backfired somewhat and Ablett requested a trade back to the Cats last year.
The request was denied and Ablett was believed to be on the outer with numerous teammates at the time.
Speaking on Channel 7's Front Bar on Thursday night, Balme used Ablett as an example of why Martin should re-sign with Richmond.
"You look at Gary Ablett, he played his 300th game in front of about 100 people the other night," Balme said.
"Should you have stayed at Geelong or should you have taken the dough?"
North Melbourne have reportedly offered Martin a long-term deal believed to be worth at least $1 million a year.
The deal would be expected to last until at least 2022 for the 25-year-old goal-kicking midfielder, who has previously told Richmond he will not make a decision on his future until the end of the current season.
Richmond have offered Martin a five-year deal believed to also be worth $1 million per season.
Balme previously said the club was in constant contact with Martin's agent and was not aware of specific offers from rival clubs.
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/a/36301355/neil-balme-on-dustin-martin-re-signing-gary-ablett-geelong-cats/#page1
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Lol 65 probably hasn't seen Waynes World, too busy watching communist propaganda films on the ol' 8mm :shh
Two things
1. WTF is "Waynes World"?
2. I have an old 8mm projector in the cupboard. An old Eumig Mark 8.
:thumbsup
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:lol
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Lol 65 probably hasn't seen Waynes World, too busy watching communist propaganda films on the ol' 8mm :shh
Two things
1. WTF is "Waynes World"?
2. I have an old 8mm projector in the cupboard. An old Eumig Mark 8.
:thumbsup
I thought you would have had a top of the line Model 414 PD Bell & Howell Zoomatic Director Series Camera with Varamat 9 to 27mm F1.8 lens and leather carrying case. I lent mine to a guy called Zapruder who went to Dallas in 1963 and nonchalantly used it..... ;D
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Oh no..."Luke" has the hot sauce.....
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/390689/)
:shh
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Hmm looks like he has seen a fair bit of hot sauce
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Lol 65 probably hasn't seen Waynes World, too busy watching communist propaganda films on the ol' 8mm :shh
Two things
1. WTF is "Waynes World"?
2. I have an old 8mm projector in the cupboard. An old Eumig Mark 8.
:thumbsup
Wayne Campbell was the central character in Waynes world
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Oh no..."Luke" has the hot sauce.....
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/390689/)
:shh
I can believe this, Looks like Luke and Dusty share the same barber
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Shouldn't his price go down after Saturday night?
Every time he fires it's supposedly going up
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Shouldn't his price go down after Saturday night?
Every time he fires it's supposedly going up
Yep $200k less after that performance :whistle
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Lol 65 probably hasn't seen Waynes World, too busy watching communist propaganda films on the ol' 8mm :shh
Two things
1. WTF is "Waynes World"?
2. I have an old 8mm projector in the cupboard. An old Eumig Mark 8.
:thumbsup
Surely you've seen Bugs Bunny? Bugs vs the Raging Bull, all time classic with one of his finest endings...
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Make sure we match the offer and get 2 first rounders plus a player. Saints have 2 first rounders don't they??
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Ralph Carr hits out at The Footy Show after claims he’s holding out on new Richmond deal
Michael Warner,
Herald Sun
July 11, 2017
DUSTIN Martin’s manager has hit out at claims he is holding out on a deal with Richmond because of bitterness over a previous contract.
Ralph Carr said the claim aired on The Footy Show last Thursday night was “ridiculous”.
“I’ve been a manager for 25 years — do you really think I would let emotion get in the way of such an important deal?” Carr told the Herald Sun from Los Angeles.
“It’s just not true and Richmond Football Club knows it’s not true. Neil Balme has clarified that.”
Martin, 26, becomes eligible for free agency at the end of this season.
Carr said talks with the Tigers were continuing in good faith.
Richmond’s long-term, $1 million-a-season offer to Martin is already the biggest tabled in the club’s history.
Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale conceded two weeks ago that the time was “probably approaching” for Martin and his management to give the club an indication.
“We’re probably approaching that time where we’d like to get a sense of where their heads are at,” Gale told ABC radio.
“We do have to plan and we’ve got the salary cap and other players, so I guess we’re approaching that point.”
Up to six clubs including Essendon, North Melbourne and St Kilda have been linked to the 2016 Jack Dyer Medallist.
But Gale said Martin’s status as a restricted free agent meant the Tigers would have the option of matching a rival offer.
“The other thing is — he’s a restricted free agent,” Gale said.
“So we’ve always got the right to match any sort of offer. I guess we do have that in the background.
“But I’m fairly confident it won’t come to that. It’s not an ideal scenario and it’s probably uncomfortable for our fans who obviously love the guy.
“But all I can say is that I’m very confident in the people looking after it and I’m very confident in our position. I’m sure it will be resolved in due course.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/ralph-carr-hits-out-at-the-footy-show-after-claims-hes-holding-out-on-new-richmond-deal/news-story/beb5263adb584496bd56df9cf70d4814
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Josh McCabe @JoshMcCabe91
Anything on Dusty and Rockliff Tony ?
Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
Rockliff is back in favour. Dusty to stay a Tiger
.....
daz singer @thedazsinger12
What will dusty do?
Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
Staying at Punt rd.
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan
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Of course he will stay just need to find another 500k to wrap up the deal :lol
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Dustin Martin contract: Richmond chief Brendon Gale confident star free agent will stay at Punt Road
Ben Broad,
Herald Sun
13 July 2017 1:00pm
RICHMOND chief Brendon Gale is confident of retaining star free agent Dustin Martin, saying the Tigers have a “really strong, compelling offer” for their midfield bull.
Gale, the former Tigers forward who led the AFL Players Association before returning to an off-field role at Punt Road, said it was in Martin’s rights to explore his worth on the open market.
But he believes the Tigers star will still be in yellow and black in 2018.
“I am (confident),” Gale told the Talking Footy podcast.
“I mean there’s obviously a hysteria surrounding Dusty, he’s a guy that attracts enormous (attention) ... there’s huge curiosity in Dustin the person, the footballer, so it goes with the territory.
“One thing that’s important is it doesn’t affect the kid. He just stays in the moment and it doesn’t impact us because we understand this is how the market works these days.
“He’s got every right to go and see where he sits, and plus we reckon we’ve got a really strong, compelling offer for him — and that’s not just money, that’s everything.
“We love Dustin, he’s really important to us (and) not just for his football but as a person and as a leader too.
“He’s really grown and he should take credit for that and we look forward to him continuing with us into the future.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-chief-brendon-gale-confident-dustin-martin-will-stay-a-tiger/news-story/9f247a6eaf7dd26562c28cce991f6932
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Grimes confident Dusty will stay
Jonno Nash and Charlie Happell
ESPN
17 July 2017
Richmond defender Dylan Grimes is confident out-of-contract superstar Dustin Martin will re-sign, as the Tigers march to September glory.
Martin is a free agent in career-best form being lured by multiple clubs on lucrative, multi-year deals.
But Grimes is adamant the 26-year-old Brownlow Medal favourite will reaffirm his commitment to Punt Rd.
"I've been confident from the start that Dusty wasn't going to go anywhere," Grimes told ESPN.
"I think a lot of it's been external hype. It's not something that's talked about from a playing group. We worry about what we can control.
"Dusty is an absolute star of the competition, so I'm looking forward to playing with him next year."
As the hysteria surrounding Martin's future swells, Grimes said the hoopla has had little impact on the playing group.
"We've invested a hell of a lot in our game-day culture where we can control what we can control. It doesn't really come up in conversation in the locker rooms at all or around the club," he said.
"We've had such great management from a list management perspective, that our list is in a great spot and Dusty will be a part of that going forward."
http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/20084752/front-centre-dylan-grimes-confident-dustin-martin-stay-richmond
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Interesting to see if the Fyfe signing has any impact on the Dusty negotiations. Hes been offered 1.3m a season, reckon thats about what Dusty is worth. Unfortunately it means with one less A grader on the market his price may go up.
Strikes me as positive when players start publically stating theyre confident a player will resign. More substance to it than when managers/coaches/presidents/ceos say it IMO.
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" It doesn't really come up in conversation in the locker rooms at all or around the club," he said.
Funny, I'm sure we've been told different...
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Numbers being bandied around have Norf in front of the Tigers by $500k. That gap would get the deal done allegedly....
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the non commital of martin at this stage oif the season would suggest that is pretty close to being correct.
The fact that the eba has been signed off and yet martin has put off talks is a concern
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I get the feeling that Dusty is also putting off contract talks until he knows what the future holds for the coach.
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North Melbourne targets Dustin Martin and Josh Kelly, Will Dustin Martin stay at Richmond? How much is Josh Kelly worth?
Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
20 July 2017 8:00pm
NORTH Melbourne’s board has ticked off on the game’s most audacious recruiting raid — a stunning double play for superstars Dustin Martin and Josh Kelly.
The Herald Sun estimates the combined value of the deals is in excess of the $15 million mark and has confirmed the Kangaroos have enough salary cap space to poach both out-of-contract midfielders.
The Roos would sign Kelly and Martin on long-term deals each worth more than $1 million a season to accelerate the club’s push for a fifth premiership.
North has not disputed reports of a nine-year offer for Giants star and childhood Kangaroos fan Kelly while six years is closer to the mark for Tiger Martin.
It’s understood the club has spent considerable time devising a strategy to land both players in October. Factors include:
ARRIVING as a package would allow Martin and Kelly to share the spotlight.
EXISTING links to Arden St (Kelly’s father Phil played 61 games for North and Martin is a friend of defender Marley Williams).
IMMEDIATE impact on a team which has lost five games by less than a goal.
THE prospect of an influx of father-son and academy prospects eligible to join the following year.
Kangaroos head of football Cameron Joyce on Thursday refused to comment on a dual bid for the stars.
“What I will say is that we were decisive last year in making sure we explored every option and nothing has changed,” Joyce told the Herald Sun.
“We will explore every single option available to us … and we will make sure any prospective move ties in directly with our strategic goal of winning our fifth premiership.”
If the Kangaroos pulled off the Martin-Kelly coup they could then load up with four gun kids at next year’s draft.
They have priority access to father-sons Nick Blakey (son of John), Bailey Scott (son of Robert) and Joel Crocker (son of Darren) plus top indigenous talent Tarryn Thomas through their Tasmanian academy.
Blakey and Scott are also eligible at other clubs.
Reversing North’s five tight losses this season would lift coach Brad Scott’s young side to within one win of the top four.
Scott has privately lamented the need for a game-breaking megastar.
The Kangas would not have to trade for Martin, but Richmond could thwart his potential move by matching a godfather offer for the restricted free agent.
The Tigers have tabled Martin the richest offer in Punt Rd history, but the Brownlow fancy is yet to sign their six-year contract.
If the Roos remain 17th they could begin negotiations for Kelly by offering GWS the No. 2 draft pick.
Retired Kangaroo Nick Dal Santo said Martin and Kelly were top-five midfielders who would give North an “absolute dynamic” look.
“My move there went as smooth as it could’ve gone in regards to being welcomed into a new football club,” Dal Santo said.
“And I think they have equal opportunity. Resources, equipment, facilities — I always felt that I had everything I ever wanted or needed.”
The Roos attempted to trade into the 2012 mini-draft to secure 17-year-old Kelly, rating him above Jesse Hogan and Jack Martin.
But Gold Coast (Martin) and Melbourne (Hogan) satisfied the Giants with earlier selections.
North holds the third-best percentage by a four-win team in VFL-AFL history after Round 17, highlighting its competitiveness.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/north-melbourne-is-hoping-to-secure-both-dustin-martin-and-josh-kelly-this-offseason/news-story/56df3adb0e8994d1eebbee64afd19b32
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I get the feeling that Dusty is also putting off contract talks until he knows what the future holds for the coach.
U see i reckon he doesn't give a flying fk about dimwit
Dimwit is safe for this year so that reason is null and void. I think it's about the way we finish the year but moreso about the other vrs other ones.
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It's about the $
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North Melbourne targets Dustin Martin and Josh Kelly, Will Dustin Martin stay at Richmond? How much is Josh Kelly worth?
Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
20 July 2017 8:00pm
NORTH Melbourne’s board has ticked off on the game’s most audacious recruiting raid — a stunning double play for superstars Dustin Martin and Josh Kelly.
The Herald Sun estimates the combined value of the deals is in excess of the $15 million mark and has confirmed the Kangaroos have enough salary cap space to poach both out-of-contract midfielders.
The Roos would sign Kelly and Martin on long-term deals each worth more than $1 million a season to accelerate the club’s push for a fifth premiership.
North has not disputed reports of a nine-year offer for Giants star and childhood Kangaroos fan Kelly while six years is closer to the mark for Tiger Martin.
It’s understood the club has spent considerable time devising a strategy to land both players in October. Factors include:
ARRIVING as a package would allow Martin and Kelly to share the spotlight.
EXISTING links to Arden St (Kelly’s father Phil played 61 games for North and Martin is a friend of defender Marley Williams).
IMMEDIATE impact on a team which has lost five games by less than a goal.
THE prospect of an influx of father-son and academy prospects eligible to join the following year.
Kangaroos head of football Cameron Joyce on Thursday refused to comment on a dual bid for the stars.
“What I will say is that we were decisive last year in making sure we explored every option and nothing has changed,” Joyce told the Herald Sun.
“We will explore every single option available to us … and we will make sure any prospective move ties in directly with our strategic goal of winning our fifth premiership.”
If the Kangaroos pulled off the Martin-Kelly coup they could then load up with four gun kids at next year’s draft.
They have priority access to father-sons Nick Blakey (son of John), Bailey Scott (son of Robert) and Joel Crocker (son of Darren) plus top indigenous talent Tarryn Thomas through their Tasmanian academy.
Blakey and Scott are also eligible at other clubs.
Reversing North’s five tight losses this season would lift coach Brad Scott’s young side to within one win of the top four.
Scott has privately lamented the need for a game-breaking megastar.
The Kangas would not have to trade for Martin, but Richmond could thwart his potential move by matching a godfather offer for the restricted free agent.
The Tigers have tabled Martin the richest offer in Punt Rd history, but the Brownlow fancy is yet to sign their six-year contract.
If the Roos remain 17th they could begin negotiations for Kelly by offering GWS the No. 2 draft pick.
Retired Kangaroo Nick Dal Santo said Martin and Kelly were top-five midfielders who would give North an “absolute dynamic” look.
“My move there went as smooth as it could’ve gone in regards to being welcomed into a new football club,” Dal Santo said.
“And I think they have equal opportunity. Resources, equipment, facilities — I always felt that I had everything I ever wanted or needed.”
The Roos attempted to trade into the 2012 mini-draft to secure 17-year-old Kelly, rating him above Jesse Hogan and Jack Martin.
But Gold Coast (Martin) and Melbourne (Hogan) satisfied the Giants with earlier selections.
North holds the third-best percentage by a four-win team in VFL-AFL history after Round 17, highlighting its competitiveness.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/north-melbourne-is-hoping-to-secure-both-dustin-martin-and-josh-kelly-this-offseason/news-story/56df3adb0e8994d1eebbee64afd19b32
Honestly this is all just guess work.
just a nice headline for a slow news week in football.
This dill wouldn't have a clue unless he is intimately involved in negotiations and confidential negotiations at that.
I fronted him on it in a tweet and still no reply.
It's all just click bait and coming from a journo from the Hun, such a well respected piece of rag. :banghead :banghead
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I get the feeling that Dusty is also putting off contract talks until he knows what the future holds for the coach.
U see i reckon he doesn't give a flying fk about dimwit
Dimwit is safe for this year so that reason is null and void. I think it's about the way we finish the year but moreso about the other vrs other ones.
Yeah but Dimwit is not safe for next year and I reckon that his security of tenure is also linked to how we finish off this year.
On one hand people are saying he wants us to finish off well and on the other people say it is money. Norts offer is placed as an example of this and yet they are arguably further away than us.
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North Melbourne targets Dustin Martin and Josh Kelly, Will Dustin Martin stay at Richmond? How much is Josh Kelly worth?
Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
20 July 2017 8:00pm
NORTH Melbourne’s board has ticked off on the game’s most audacious recruiting raid — a stunning double play for superstars Dustin Martin and Josh Kelly.
The Herald Sun estimates the combined value of the deals is in excess of the $15 million mark and has confirmed the Kangaroos have enough salary cap space to poach both out-of-contract midfielders.
The Roos would sign Kelly and Martin on long-term deals each worth more than $1 million a season to accelerate the club’s push for a fifth premiership.
North has not disputed reports of a nine-year offer for Giants star and childhood Kangaroos fan Kelly while six years is closer to the mark for Tiger Martin.
It’s understood the club has spent considerable time devising a strategy to land both players in October. Factors include:
ARRIVING as a package would allow Martin and Kelly to share the spotlight.
EXISTING links to Arden St (Kelly’s father Phil played 61 games for North and Martin is a friend of defender Marley Williams).
IMMEDIATE impact on a team which has lost five games by less than a goal.
THE prospect of an influx of father-son and academy prospects eligible to join the following year.
Kangaroos head of football Cameron Joyce on Thursday refused to comment on a dual bid for the stars.
“What I will say is that we were decisive last year in making sure we explored every option and nothing has changed,” Joyce told the Herald Sun.
“We will explore every single option available to us … and we will make sure any prospective move ties in directly with our strategic goal of winning our fifth premiership.”
If the Kangaroos pulled off the Martin-Kelly coup they could then load up with four gun kids at next year’s draft.
They have priority access to father-sons Nick Blakey (son of John), Bailey Scott (son of Robert) and Joel Crocker (son of Darren) plus top indigenous talent Tarryn Thomas through their Tasmanian academy.
Blakey and Scott are also eligible at other clubs.
Reversing North’s five tight losses this season would lift coach Brad Scott’s young side to within one win of the top four.
Scott has privately lamented the need for a game-breaking megastar.
The Kangas would not have to trade for Martin, but Richmond could thwart his potential move by matching a godfather offer for the restricted free agent.
The Tigers have tabled Martin the richest offer in Punt Rd history, but the Brownlow fancy is yet to sign their six-year contract.
If the Roos remain 17th they could begin negotiations for Kelly by offering GWS the No. 2 draft pick.
Retired Kangaroo Nick Dal Santo said Martin and Kelly were top-five midfielders who would give North an “absolute dynamic” look.
“My move there went as smooth as it could’ve gone in regards to being welcomed into a new football club,” Dal Santo said.
“And I think they have equal opportunity. Resources, equipment, facilities — I always felt that I had everything I ever wanted or needed.”
The Roos attempted to trade into the 2012 mini-draft to secure 17-year-old Kelly, rating him above Jesse Hogan and Jack Martin.
But Gold Coast (Martin) and Melbourne (Hogan) satisfied the Giants with earlier selections.
North holds the third-best percentage by a four-win team in VFL-AFL history after Round 17, highlighting its competitiveness.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/north-melbourne-is-hoping-to-secure-both-dustin-martin-and-josh-kelly-this-offseason/news-story/56df3adb0e8994d1eebbee64afd19b32
Honestly this is all just guess work.
just a nice headline for a slow news week in football.
This dill wouldn't have a clue unless he is intimately involved in negotiations and confidential negotiations at that.
I fronted him on it in a tweet and still no reply.
It's all just click bait and coming from a journo from the Hun, such a well respected piece of rag. :banghead :banghead
I can't speak for Kelly but can categorically say that the Dusty play is well and truly on point. It's a pretty compelling offer. What surprises me is that it appears our offer is $850k odd. I'd have thought he's worth more than that. Tigers have mentioned best deal in their history but have conveniently omitted that Rance and Cotchin were offered contracts that had TPP increases included that mean at the time they were lower than Dusty's but are now higher
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I can't speak for Kelly but can categorically say that the Dusty play is well and truly on point. It's a pretty compelling offer. What surprises me is that it appears our offer is $850k odd. I'd have thought he's worth more than that. Tigers have mentioned best deal in their history but have conveniently omitted that Rance and Cotchin were offered contracts that had TPP increases included that mean at the time they were lower than Dusty's but are now higher
Any amount depends on which report you want to believe
Media have said (both HUN, Age & TV news) the initial offer was around $850k, but an amended offer has been put forward by the Tigers of reported around $1-$1.2 mil which would make him our highest paid player....
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I get the feeling that Dusty is also putting off contract talks until he knows what the future holds for the coach.
U see i reckon he doesn't give a flying fk about dimwit
Dimwit is safe for this year so that reason is null and void. I think it's about the way we finish the year but moreso about the other vrs other ones.
Yeah but Dimwit is not safe for next year and I reckon that his security of tenure is also linked to how we finish off this year.
On one hand people are saying he wants us to finish off well and on the other people say it is money. Norts offer is placed as an example of this and yet they are arguably further away than us.
Is b Scott safe? No
Dimwit ? No
Are any club chasing better placed than us? No
Which is why my guess it's more $$ than anything else. Our offer must be pretty poo compared the others.,
We haven't allowed for clubs like essendon either so who knows what they have up their sleeve.
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What are people's thoughts on this Hypothetical - if another team made a 'God offer' at say 1.5 million (which I think is overs) would we be a better side to match it and keep him, or spend That on two young 2 existing/potential A grader types?
For eg. Clayton Oliver, Seb Ross, Isaac Heeney, Lever, Zac Williams, Jarrod Witts, (contracts Unknown, used as examples of talent and value),
And we'd get a first round pick at compensation and cut an additional two players from the poo end of the list.
Either way, point is if we lose dusty (it doesn't necessarily make us a much worse team. There's a chance it may make us better in the longer run.
I guess it would depend on which players we would be able two lure and draft.
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What are people's thoughts on this Hypothetical - if another team made a 'God offer' at say 1.5 million (which I think is overs) would we be a better side to match it and keep him, or spend That on two young 2 existing/potential A grader types?
For eg. Clayton Oliver, Seb Ross, Isaac Heeney, Lever, Zac Williams, Jarrod Witts, (contracts Unknown, used as examples of talent and value),
And we'd get a first round pick at compensation and cut an additional two players from the poo end of the list.
Either way, point is if we lose dusty (it doesn't necessarily make us a much worse team. There's a chance it may make us better in the longer run.
I guess it would depend on which players we would be able two lure and draft.
Have you seen our recruitment department recently? :lol
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I get the feeling that Dusty is also putting off contract talks until he knows what the future holds for the coach.
U see i reckon he doesn't give a flying fk about dimwit
Dimwit is safe for this year so that reason is null and void. I think it's about the way we finish the year but moreso about the other vrs other ones.
Yeah but Dimwit is not safe for next year and I reckon that his security of tenure is also linked to how we finish off this year.
On one hand people are saying he wants us to finish off well and on the other people say it is money. Norts offer is placed as an example of this and yet they are arguably further away than us.
Is b Scott safe? No
Dimwit ? No
Are any club chasing better placed than us? No
Which is why my guess it's more $$ than anything else. Our offer must be pretty pooe compared the others.,
We haven't allowed for clubs like essendon either so who knows what they have up their sleeve.
You are right but not many people are factoring in that Dusty might actually think the world of Dimma. Dimma gone= Dusty gone?
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What are people's thoughts on this Hypothetical - if another team made a 'God offer' at say 1.5 million (which I think is overs) would we be a better side to match it and keep him, or spend That on two young 2 existing/potential A grader types?
For eg. Clayton Oliver, Seb Ross, Isaac Heeney, Lever, Zac Williams, Jarrod Witts, (contracts Unknown, used as examples of talent and value),
And we'd get a first round pick at compensation and cut an additional two players from the poo end of the list.
Either way, point is if we lose dusty (it doesn't necessarily make us a much worse team. There's a chance it may make us better in the longer run.
I guess it would depend on which players we would be able two lure and draft.
Have you seen our recruitment department recently? :lol
This^^
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What are people's thoughts on this Hypothetical - if another team made a 'God offer' at say 1.5 million (which I think is overs) would we be a better side to match it and keep him, or spend That on two young 2 existing/potential A grader types?
For eg. Clayton Oliver, Seb Ross, Isaac Heeney, Lever, Zac Williams, Jarrod Witts, (contracts Unknown, used as examples of talent and value),
And we'd get a first round pick at compensation and cut an additional two players from the poo end of the list.
Either way, point is if we lose dusty (it doesn't necessarily make us a much worse team. There's a chance it may make us better in the longer run.
I guess it would depend on which players we would be able two lure and draft.
Have you seen our recruitment department recently? :lol
This^^
Yeah I know. But money talks.
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KB's Take | Martin won’t leave Richmond
By Kevin Bartlett
SEN
21 July 2017
Why would Dustin Martin or Josh Kelly want to leave their clubs and join North Melbourne?
The Herald Sun tells us the Kangaroos are cashed up with 15 million bucks to throw at the two midfield stars with long term contracts.
Martin won’t leave Richmond.
He will get a great deal from the club and a few extra dollars won’t prize out a happy player and all reports are that he loves being a Tiger player.
For Martin is comfortable at the club and is held in high regard and respected by fellow players, coaches and staff.
And Richmond looks like playing finals this year and into the future.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/07/20/kbs-take-or-martin-won-t-leave-richmond/
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Balme: I’m very dismissive of Dusty rumours
By SEN
21 July 2017
Richmond head of football Neil Balme has dismissed a newspaper report that a cashed-up North Melbourne is set to lure Dustin Martin.
Today's Herald Sun backpage states that the Kangaroos board has endorsed a recruiting raid to land Martin and GWS star Josh Kelly.
But Balme took the story with a grain of salt.
“I’m very dismissive of it, yes," he told SEN's Hungry for Sport.
"I don’t take anything that’s written like that seriously at all because it’s not even a real story it’s just a heap of stuff that’s been said 20 times and we’re just saying it one more time.
"I’m not speaking about that at all because it’s nobody else’s business at all. Just let two boys play footy and stop talking about it."
Balme went on to say free agency provides newspapers with endless copy.
“Unfortunately the AFL have decided let’s do free agency so that we can give people like these papers something to write so that we can stay in it, it doesn’t have to be meaningful we just want to be in the paper," he said.
“From a club point of view it’s really difficult to deal with, it’s a pain in the butt to tell you the truth and it’s not that progressive and it’s not that helpful.
"We all understand players move and they should be allowed to."
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/07/21/balme-i-m-very-dismissive-of-dusty-rumours/
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Fyfe deal is $1.4mill a season - Martin is in that category - the market has spoken.
If we want him it will need to be in this vicinity.
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Richmond Tigers up contract offer to Dustin Martin to $6 million over six years
Jon Pierik
The Age
25 July 2017 7:00pm
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin stands to earn more than $6 million over the next six years as part of a revised offer from the Tigers in a year he could become the first uncontracted man this century to win the Brownlow Medal.
Martin's manager Ralph Carr, having this week returned from overseas, reiterated on Tuesday his client would not make a decision until the end of the season, meaning it could be late September before this is done.
"Nothing has changed," Carr said.
The Tigers' initial offer was $800,000 a season over five years but market conditions and an increase in the salary cap as part of a new collective bargaining agreement have played a role in the club increasing its bid. It's understood Martin is on about $650,000 this year.
That Fremantle skipper Nat Fyfe has signed a six-year deal understood to be worth up to $1.2 million a season has also reinforced to the Tigers the market value of their restricted free agent.
Fyfe, the 2015 Brownlow medallist, is a match-winner and the face of the Dockers, meaning he ticks all the boxes in terms of generating revenue for the club. While Martin does few public promotional appearances or press conferences, he too, is an on-field match winner and a major marketing tool for the Tigers. His presence at a club function quickly turns it into a sell-out event.
The Tigers are in fourth spot on the ladder and, should they remain there come the end of the home-and-away season, are guaranteed of at least two finals. Should they win one and at least advance into a preliminary final, the Tigers may have to wait until grand-final week to know their fate.
Martin, 26, is almost certain to be named as an All Australian and is also one of the favourites to claim the sport's highest individual honour – the Brownlow Medal. It could make for an awkward presentation should he win and remain uncontracted. It's rare for a Brownlow medallist to be uncontracted, certainly one seriously considering a shift of clubs. Martin finished third in last year's count.
Both the club and Carr have not ruled out Martin remaining unsigned until the end of the season. The Tigers are comfortable to wait for Martin to make a call, particularly as public speculation has not impacted on his performances. The Tigers remain confident he will remain at Punt Road.
Aside from the long-term offer from North Melbourne of $1 million a year, and speculation of Essendon's interest, the Tigers have no knowledge of any other offer for Martin. It's understood Carr has not told the club of any other offer.
If there was a larger offer from another club, the Tigers are likely to point out to Martin that he could recoup that money over the long-term from sponsorships by remaining at Punt Road.
Players agents argue there is little point in a star player leaving his club if there is a financial difference of less than $200,000 a year, for there are tax issues to take into consideration.
Martin is said to be more than happy with the Tigers, with Jack Riewoldt declaring his teammate was "loving" life at Punt Road. The Tigers also check in on Martin through his father Shane, who has been forced to live in his native New Zealand over his involvement with the Rebels outlaw motorcycle gang.
Martin is on track to claim successive Jack Dyer medals, although skipper Trent Cotchin is also having his best season.
He and his management had wanted to assess where the Tigers were at this year in terms of their list development, for the midfield bull has yet to experience a winning final since he was taken with the third overall selection in the 2009 national draft. A deep finals run would help to provide clarity.
That Martin is a restricted free agent means the Tigers could become the first club to match any rival offer – a point not lost on Tigers chief Brendon Gale.
"He's a restricted free agent. So we've always got the right to match any sort of offer. I guess we do have that in the background," he said last month.
If the Tigers match any offer, Martin would then have to stay, head to the draft or seek a trade.
While the Tigers remain confident he will remain, should they not match a bloated rival offer, they would suddenly have more room in their salary cap to pursue another star. They would also receive a pick immediately after their first-round draft selection as part of free-agency compensation, although this is likely to be in the mid teens.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-tigers-up-contract-offer-to-dustin-martin-to-6-million-over-six-years-20170725-gxihau.html
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I said cook the man some eggs!
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Dustin "Bionic" Martin, the Six Million Dollar Man, has a bit of a ring to it.
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Brustin Brartin
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Brustin Brartin
:clapping Bro Bricho Brelve
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I met a bloke who had become friends with dusty the last few years. Said the departure of his dad has really shaken him up and is pretty lost. Footy is all he's got. He said a year ago he had talked about going to gc but reckons he'll stay at the tigers now.
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No reason to put it off until seasons end unless a grandfather offer is brewing
If Fyfe is worth 1.2 and Pronca 750-8 then dusty is worth 1.3 plus
This is the rfc though
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Reckon there would be performance bonuses in that to sweeten it up. Still confident he'll stay but is just (rightfully) holding out for the best deal.
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Jake Niall said on AFL Tonight last night that one issue holding things up is that the CBA pay rise wasn't written into his last contract and now he wants it added onto his salary for this year but the club won't give it to him unless he re-signs.
I thought the new CBA didn't come into effect until next year though?
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Jake Niall said on AFL Tonight last night that one issue holding things up is that the CBA pay rise wasn't written into his last contract and now he wants it added onto his salary for this year but the club won't give it to him unless he re-signs.
I thought the new CBA didn't come into effect until next year though?
So whose fault was that his manager's ??
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Honestly think Martin is worth more than that.
Would be offering $7million for as many years tbh...
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Imagine Martin delivering to Buddy on the small SCG. :thumbsdown
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Jake Niall said on AFL Tonight last night that one issue holding things up is that the CBA pay rise wasn't written into his last contract and now he wants it added onto his salary for this year but the club won't give it to him unless he re-signs.
I thought the new CBA didn't come into effect until next year though?
it became effective from this year. If, that is true then we are in a powerful position. 20% on $650k is another $135k which is effectively money another club could not offer. So it makes our overall offer stronger without compromising the existing future deal. It'd be perfect if we had another $300-400k in spare salary to dish out in addition to this years exisiting contract.
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-20/players-get-20-per-cent-pay-rise-in-new-cba
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Could Dustin Martin land at the Giants or Swans?
Michael Di Lonardo
SportingNews.com.au
July 26, 2017
It's the most sought after signature in the competition right now and two new contenders have entered the race to secure Dustin Martin - the Swans and Giants.
Essendon great Tim Watson revealed the two Sydney clubs are a genuine chance of luring the Brownlow Medal favourite because of the lifestyle change they can offer.
“I keep hearing that there is an attraction that he has towards a side north of the border,” Watson told SEN.
“There is someone up there that might suit him and his personality. Money is always the attraction. Both those Sydney teams are on the cusp of success.”
Former Melbourne skipper Garry Lyon believes the Swans could find room in their salary cap to squeeze him in, despite having a number of wealthy contracts on their books.
“Tippet goes, Kieren Jack retires, Jarrad McVeigh retires,” he said.
“Midfield spots and wages open up. The teams you don’t hear about in these discussions are the ones you fear.”
Essendon has thrown it's hat in the ring to acquire Martin, while North Melbourne remain in the hunt.
The Age reported Richmond have upped the ante to keep their superstar with a $6 million six-year offer.
http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/dustin-martin-sydney-swans-gws-giants-richmond-tigers-contract-million-afl/10za9g010cpzs1hz2hxl1bmq0x
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I don't see how $6m over 6 years gets the deal done, especially if Fyfe is on $1.4, if that is true then Dusty could command $1.5m with mad vultures like Nth Melb circling around.
If he gives Richmond a loyalty discount then maybe we could get away with $5.5m/4yr or if we are lucky $6.5m/5yr
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I said cook the man some eggs!
:lol :clapping
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Dustin Martin contract, future at Richmond, Justin Leppitsch says he hasn’t shown signs he’s leaving
July 27, 2017 10:35am
by Brayden May
FOX SPORTS
RICHMOND assistant coach Justin Leppitsch believes star midfielder Dustin Martin hasn’t displayed any behaviour to suggest he will depart the club.
Fairfax Media earlier this week reported the Tigers have offered Martin a deal worth six million dollars over six years as they attempt to fend off interest of rival clubs.
Speaking on SEN Breakfast, former Brisbane coach Leppitsch says the 26-year-old has not acted in a similar way to Lions players who left the club during his three-year tenure.
“It’s not like he’s displaying distant behaviour, which I’ve seen quite a bit of with players wanting to go,” Leppitsch said.
“In my time at Brisbane I’ve seen a lot of the behaviours that attaches to that.
“He hasn’t shown any of those signs, in fact, he’s more entrenched in the team emotionally than ever.
“It would be a surprise (if he left) but we live in a world of not just emotion, but money and other things that drive players.
“But Dusty is so much part of the furniture it would feel strange if he actually left.”
And Leppitsch says the club’s coaching staff would be able to tell if a player was not invested into the team’s cause.
“We know relationships well and we know when they are and aren’t working and someone might be being distant and maybe not giving everything they’ve got,” he said.
“We all sense what those little things are and that’s when alarm bells start to ring. Whether it be a player used to turn up and do extras a lot more than they used to or they are less engaged in meetings than they used to be.
“All those little things you start to pick up on and think the person is starting to disengage a little.
“None of that has been there with Dusty, if anything it’s gone the opposite, so emotionally he’s invested in us and let’s hope that’s the reason he stays as much as any.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-assistant-justin-leppitsch-says-dustin-martin-hasnt-shown-any-signs-hes-leaving-the-tigers/news-story/f89a2d44ed8fda9b9900c6c6970ea19f
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it's looking more likely as time moves on that Dusty is on the move.
If he does what would be your minimum expectation of a return??
I would take nothing less 2 first rounders (top 5 this year and one next year) and a 2nd rounder for next year or player.
No way we would accept end of first round compensation only....
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it's looking more likely as time moves on that Dusty is on the move.
If he does what would be your minimum expectation of a return??
I would take nothing less 2 first rounders (top 5 this year and one next year) and a 2nd rounder for next year or player.
No way we would accept end of first round compensation only....
If he leaves it won't be via trade. If he signs on with another team and we don't match the offer, the likely compensation would be a first round pick after our own first pick. So right now would be pick #14.
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Martin leaves we'll go hard for Kelly and then/or Lynch (GC) next year. :shh
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it's looking more likely as time moves on that Dusty is on the move.
If he does what would be your minimum expectation of a return??
I would take nothing less 2 first rounders (top 5 this year and one next year) and a 2nd rounder for next year or player.
No way we would accept end of first round compensation only....
If he leaves it won't be via trade. If he signs on with another team and we don't match the offer, the likely compensation would be a first round pick after our own first pick. So right now would be pick #14.
This.
And it would be nice as part of the deal if he did a Dangerfield type move and got the destination club to throw in their first pick.
If it was GWS, for example, based on current ladder pos wed end up with:-
15, 16, 17, 18
Dont hold your breath though :-[
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I'd think if dusty wanted to leave he'd do the right thing by the rfc and request a trade
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Don't forget we can always match the offer.
If he leaves, we are getting something in return, have no fear.
Something tells me he will stay though. I don't think he will want to move out of his comfort zone. Bloke looks very happy.
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it's looking more likely as time moves on that Dusty is on the move.
If he does what would be your minimum expectation of a return??
I would take nothing less 2 first rounders (top 5 this year and one next year) and a 2nd rounder for next year or player.
No way we would accept end of first round compensation only....
If he leaves it won't be via trade.
Not necessarily because we still have the threat of matching the offer up our sleeve.
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Of course we'll threaten to match , only a fool of a club wouldn.....oh wait....
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Dusty deal is done "in principle".
Some fine details will be worked out.
Bookmark it. ;D
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Dusty deal is done "in principle".
Some fine details will be worked out.
Bookmark it. ;D
Consider it very much bookmarked...
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Dusty deal is done "in principle".
Some fine details will be worked out.
Bookmark it. ;D
Mmm what club?
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Dusty deal is done "in principle".
Some fine details will be worked out.
Bookmark it. ;D
Its catching on :snidegrin
bookmark it
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stuff off Turd....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-gold-coast-suns-must-target-dustin-martin-this-offseason-writes-james-hird/news-story/bf969566ba6ee7b0a989d8aa3913fc94
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stuff off Turd....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-gold-coast-suns-must-target-dustin-martin-this-offseason-writes-james-hird/news-story/bf969566ba6ee7b0a989d8aa3913fc94
#whateverittakes, eh James? ::)
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It's too late Jimmy
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Dusty deal is done "in principle".
Some fine details will be worked out.
Bookmark it. ;D
I hope this is true, because I am starting to feel pessimistic about Dusty going to North.
They are tanking like crazy and could well finish bottom. Certainly bottom two I think.
If Dusty accepts their deal and we match it, he doesn't have to take it. He can decide to walk into the preseason draft, where the Kangaroos will lie in wait.
As a minimum, I think Dusty is going to cost us whatever North are offering him.
We are over a barrel here if Dusty and his Manager decide to play it that way.
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Slipper, just remember that the 20% increase in the eba starts THIS season. We can use this years cap tha will effectively top up the future deal.
Other clubs can't do that. #whiphand
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Slipper, just remember that the 20% increase in the eba starts THIS season. We can use this years cap tha will effectively top up the future deal.
Other clubs can't do that. #whiphand
I was unaware of that HRT.
I just hope then that the only sticking point is money.
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Balme told us last week that Dusty is 100% staying....
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Balme told us last week that Dusty is 100% staying....
Kiss of death
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Balme told us last week that Dusty is 100% staying....
Kiss of death
Maybe....maybe not.
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It's a done deal lads. :thumbsup
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Makes sense, load it up this year baby
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The Merkin at the North game yesterday apparently.
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The Merkin at the North game yesterday apparently.
Sorry roger but who?
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His manager
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Righto
I doubt that as it was in tassy, unless he had other clients playing
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Righto
I doubt that as it was in tassy, unless he had other clients playing
He only has 3 players.
Dusty, Shai Bolton & 1 GWS player
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Tom Browne on Talking Footy just before:
* Another club approached Ralph Carr recently and offered $900-$1m for Dusty. They were told $1.2-1.3m would get the business done.
* Dusty is motivated by money and his dad's still upset about Richmond low balling Dusty last time.
* Essendon & Sydney out. No longer interested.
* North lead the race.
* Tigers will have to pay him more than a million p.a. if they want to try and keep Dusty.
Watson claimed he spoke to Ralph Carr earlier in the year and he was adamant then that no decision on Dusty's future would be made until the end of the season. BT replied that many players and their managers say this and they showed a graph of 10 star players since 2010 who stated the same thing and then left their club. Watson said this was different as Carr told him he's been instructed by Dusty to delay any decision until the end of the season. BT said he has no idea where Dusty is going or staying but Dusty would now be certain in his mind about where he wants to be in 2018.
Carey added that Dusty leaving Richmond would be the biggest mistake he could make for his footy career.
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His motivated by what happens with dimwit. Lmfao
Always was and always is about the coin
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Tom Browne on Talking Footy just before:
* Another club approached Ralph Carr recently and offered $900-$1m for Dusty. They were told $1.2-1.3m would get the business done.
* Dusty is motivated by money and his dad's still upset about Richmond low balling Dusty last time.
* Essendon & Sydney out. No longer interested.
* North lead the race.
* Tigers will have to pay him more than a million p.a. if they want to try and keep Dusty.
Watson claimed he spoke to Ralph Carr earlier in the year and he was adamant then that no decision on Dusty's future would be made until the end of the season. BT replied that many players and their managers say this and they showed a graph of 10 star players since 2010 who stated the same thing and then left their club. Watson said this was different as Carr told him he's been instructed by Dusty to delay any decision until the end of the season. BT said he has no idea where Dusty is going or staying but Dusty would now be certain in his mind about where he wants to be in 2018.
Carey added that Dusty leaving Richmond would be the biggest mistake he could make for his footy career.
More holes in Tom Brownes report than Swiss cheese.
All the gossip queens haven't a clue what's going on so it's about trying to join dots together.
People need to revisit the Dane Swan interview.
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Who is Tom Browne?
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Wasn't Dustys last contract done with the minimum of fuss .
It was the time before which became a fiasco.
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Did Richmond lowball or did Dusty's manager get called out on a bluff and stuff the deal up for his client.
To hold Richmond accountable for that fiasco would be a morons grudge....
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Media ::)
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Wasn't Dustys last contract done with the minimum of fuss .
It was the time before which became a fiasco.
Correct
Did Richmond lowball or did Dusty's manager get called out on a bluff and stuff the deal up for his client.
The latter
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People need to be prepared for the worst..... :shh
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People need to be prepared for the worst..... :shh
Bookmark it?
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Martin will sign and it will be announced before finals.
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People need to be prepared for the worst..... :shh
Bookmark it?
No just be prepared....
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Martin will sign and it will be announced before finals.
Bookmark it?
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The dude talked the talk and has walked the walk.
Backed himself in and will win the Brownlow
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As long as we force a trade we cannot lose
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https://twitter.com/BrissieLiveNews/status/892296141697564672
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https://twitter.com/BrissieLiveNews/status/892296141697564672
Do you read anything into that if it is true?
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Also reiterated that Carr was in fact in Tassie this weekend. Ominous?
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Why would he announce he's leaving the club at the beginning of a finals series?
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Imagine going into a final series and Martin announces that he is leaving.
Great for team morale.
What a load of bollocks from Carr.
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He will stay because Cotch let's him hold his baby.
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Why would he announce he's leaving the club at the beginning of a finals series?
exactly :shh
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#insanetupee
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Imagine going into a final series and Martin announces that he is leaving.
Great for team morale.
What a load of bollocks from Carr.
Could only happen to Richmond, followed by him bringing home the Charlie.
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Why would he announce he's leaving the club at the beginning of a finals series?
I guess that is what I am reading into it HRT.
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He is staying relax just people and stop the insults. Its just posturing...
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#insanetupee
:lol
I really think it's a ferret myself ;D
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https://twitter.com/BrissieLiveNews/status/892296141697564672
Do you read anything into that if it is true?
If Dusty is re-signing just before the finals then you'd think that means he's staying. Having said that the end of the season is when our season is finished so Dusty may wait until after the finals.
Richmond Tiger Dustin Martin's contract decision likely before finals, says Ralph Carr
Jon Pierik
The Age
2 August 2017
The intrigue over Dustin Martin's future continues, with his manager suggesting the star Richmond midfielder will make a call on his future by the start of the finals.
Fairfax Media reported last week that the Tigers had upped their offer to the Brownlow Medal favourite to six years and up to $1.2 million a season – although that might still not be enough to retain him.
Martin and his manager Ralph Carr had said they would wait until the end of the season to make a call but, with no indication that he will stay, and recent rumblings that he will leave, the final month of the home-and-away campaign will be a nervous one at Punt Road.
Martin would also have the option of delaying his call until after the Tigers' finals campaign is over. This could be a deep run, and potentially leave the awkward situation of Martin winning the Brownlow yet not being able to say where he will play next season.
However, Carr told Fairfax Media that a decision would likely be made in the break between round 23 and the start of the finals.
"It's in Dustin's court. I am sure at the right time he will say to me: 'Right, we are ready, let's review it'. But he always said at the end of the season. I dare say that's at the end of the home-and-away season, I would think," he said.
"Nothing has changed. As I said last time, Dustin said he would deal with it at the end of the year. I am really just honouring his request. At the moment we are doing just what we should be doing as a manager, that is seeing it through as per Dustin's request."
However, that would potentially be an awkward situation if he was to announce he was leaving just as the Tigers were hoping for a breakthrough finals campaign. If he was to stay, his signature would be a major boost heading into September.
"You would like to do well in the finals but I am just thrilled for Richmond – it's great to be in the top four. The Tigers' supporters have been waiting for this for a long time," Carr said.
There have been industry rumblings in the past week that Carr had indicated Martin was disappointed with the Tigers' offer and was on the cusp of leaving.
The Tigers are aware of North Melbourne's lucrative, long-term offer, and St Kilda would also have the capacity to pay about $1.5 million a season. Former Essendon coach James Hird wrote over the weekend that the AFL should help to orchestrate a move to Gold Coast.
Melbourne great Garry Lyon said on Footy Classified that "the talk of the last week or so is that financials are going to be pretty important otherwise why would you not sign".
But Carr said he had not discussed Martin's thinking publicly.
"I haven't spoken to a soul about Dustin, not a soul. If someone is going around saying that, it's the usual crap that is going on, with this sort of stuff," he said.
Asked if he was happy with the Tigers' offer, or whether they needed to do more, Carr replied: "I can't talk about any of that. I would be disrespecting Richmond in this particular case."
Should Martin win the Brownlow, he is likely to already have had a bonus clause written into his contract, which could automatically lift the Tigers' offer even further.
On the Kangaroos' offer, it was a similar response. "Not only would I be disrespecting the clubs, I would be disrespecting Dustin," Carr said.
Carr was in Hobart on Saturday and watched a rebuilding North Melbourne, at their surrogate home ground, topple Melbourne. The Roos are after not only a midfield gun but someone who can be a major marketing weapon. All Carr would say about the trip was: "I was just having a look around – watching a good game of footy."
Martin has been handed two fines already this season for on-field misdemeanours and another would mean he was ineligible to win the sport's highest individual honour.
He has handled the speculation on his future with aplomb. The Tigers remain confident he will re-sign and hope to sell him on the prospect that he stands to make up any extra money a rival club may offer by remaining a Tiger and cashing in on the off-field benefits that come from being associated with a big club.
Martin had also wanted to assess where the Tigers were in terms of their list this year. That they shape as finishing in the top four should be a more than encouraging sign for both parties.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-tiger-dustin-martins-contract-decision-likely-before-finals-says-ralph-carr-20170801-gxmu4m.html
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Either Martin has said OK I'm staying I don't care what happens from here and Carr has slipped.
Or
Smoke screen to make us believe.
I honestly believe this was sorted out ages ago, loves the club, loves his mates, loves the coach and more importantly insanely in love with Cotch.
Can't wait for him to be bull mode this week to cement our spot in finals.
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when you really think about it.
If he hasn't declared his hand by the date the best manager in the business has just suggested, then i would say his gone IMO.
For a player to head into a finals series and not have this sorted means only one thing. We will know either way by this date.
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For mine its a hold out for best cash option, with a strong preference to stay. I think he will.
If you were him you wouldnt sign now til after the brownlow.
Still a couple of chapters to go.
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For mine its a hold out for best cash option, with a strong preference to stay. I think he will.
If you were him you wouldnt sign now til after the brownlow.
Still a couple of chapters to go.
you would think a brownlow would make no difference on the timing of his decision, as there would be an incentive clause placed on his contract should he win.
There's talk that Nought are now focusing all their energy on martin and not kelly.
if i had to move to a club like north well 200k p/y wouldnt cut it, as he would make it back with sponsorship deals and lets face it they are a basket case who will play a lot of games in tassy.
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One part of me is wary that merkin was down at tassie - to me its as though hes scoping out the facilities and gameday experience to report back to martin which sends off some alarm bells - BUT i just cant see him moving to Nort, surely not
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If dusty were to leave I think he would move interstate. Doesn't like all the media associated with football in Melbourne as we know.
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For mine its a hold out for best cash option, with a strong preference to stay. I think he will.
If you were him you wouldnt sign now til after the brownlow.
Still a couple of chapters to go.
you would think a brownlow would make no difference on the timing of his decision, as there would be an incentive clause placed on his contract should he win.
There's talk that Nought are now focusing all their energy on martin and not kelly.
if i had to move to a club like north well 200k p/y wouldnt cut it, as he would make it back with sponsorship deals and lets face it they are a basket case who will play a lot of games in tassy.
A recently annointed brownlow medalist will negotiate a better contract
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I'd be stuffed if Dusty hasn't already made up his mind.
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He's the Melbourne ruckman.... :shh
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He's the Melbourne ruckman.... :shh
Tom McDONEald?
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He's the Melbourne ruckman.... :shh
That will pee me off to the Max.
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Caller into Sen saying Carr was spotted walking into Waverly park this morning.
Only problem with that so called fact was he said he was a tall bloke, and Carr looks like a midget
Does anyone know how we force a club to trade? Is it only when we match the offer?
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Yep, match the offer and force the trade - i think with Danger, adelaide and geelong there was goodwill involved that theyd get it done that way beforehand - basically adelaide said we respect you want to go back home but we feel we deserve more than the compensation we will receive so we're going to force a trade - we wont be unreasonable, just want more than we'll get. Danger accepted that and so did Geelong
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Yep, match the offer and force the trade - i think with Danger, adelaide and geelong there was goodwill involved that theyd get it done that way beforehand - basically adelaide said we respect you want to go back home but we feel we deserve more than the compensation we will receive so we're going to force a trade - we wont be unreasonable, just want more than we'll get. Danger accepted that and so did Geelong
This
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:thumbsup thanks boys.
then you can safely say he wont be getting to a club like hawthorn, pies or geelong, with the former selling the farm to get that o'meara and as a result have no picks to give.
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Caller into Sen saying Carr was spotted walking into Waverly park this morning.
Only problem with that so called fact was he said he was a tall bloke, and Carr looks like a midget
Does anyone know how we force a club to trade? Is it only when we match the offer?
Ever notice that the rumors on Dustys alleged destination club starts the week we play that same team?
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Caller into Sen saying Carr was spotted walking into Waverly park this morning.
Only problem with that so called fact was he said he was a tall bloke, and Carr looks like a midget
Does anyone know how we force a club to trade? Is it only when we match the offer?
Ever notice that the rumors on Dustys alleged destination club starts the week we play that same team?
I just reckon the Merkin is more or less playing the same card as he did in '13. Attempting to give us the perception that there's connections with North/Saints/Hawthorn.
He's a prickly one that guy, no wonder we hate dealing with him.
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Not sure what to believe.All I will say this the club has done alot for him off the field to grow as a person,settle down and been very supportive. I think he wouldn't be were he is without Richmond .If his manager is shopping him for the highest $$$ well that will be bit disappointing and he can leave as far as I'm concerned we shouldn't be held by a player on our knees.The club is bigger then one player like we seen when Ablett left the cats.For me like it or not we need to be switched on these last 4 games the situation is becoming a nuisance especially his manager.
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After reading Barrett today, I think he'll stay, Merkin just wants to make sure he gets Martin as much as he can from Richmond.
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Caller into Sen saying Carr was spotted walking into Waverly park this morning.
Only problem with that so called fact was he said he was a tall bloke, and Carr looks like a midget
Does anyone know how we force a club to trade? Is it only when we match the offer?
Ever notice that the rumors on Dustys alleged destination club starts the week we play that same team?
yes true that and if you heard that twit on the radio i would think its fake news.
what did he look like? uum he was tall. LMFAO turn it up.
hey dooks what happens in contracts say if the tigers dont accept an offer from a club dusty nominates? Do we have to suck it up and deal like the crows?
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Caller into Sen saying Carr was spotted walking into Waverly park this morning.
Only problem with that so called fact was he said he was a tall bloke, and Carr looks like a midget
Does anyone know how we force a club to trade? Is it only when we match the offer?
Ever notice that the rumors on Dustys alleged destination club starts the week we play that same team?
yes true that and if you heard that twit on the radio i would think its fake news.
what did he look like? uum he was tall. LMFAO turn it up.
hey dooks what happens in contracts say if the tigers dont accept an offer from a club dusty nominates? Do we have to suck it up and deal like the crows?
I think....
If we don't match the offer from a club that Dusty nominates then he goes to that club, ala Tyrone Vickery.
If we match it and Dusty does not accept that offer then i think we are forced to trade or Dusty takes pot luck in the draft.
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Dusty now open to highest bidder?
By SEN
3 August 2017
Richmond star Dustin Martin is open to the highest bidder, according to SEN regular Greg Denham.
As Martin’s contract saga rolls into Round 20, Denham, who earlier this year was confident the star playmaker would remain at Tigerland and hinted a deal could be done prior to the season getting underway, believes the goalposts have changed.
“If someone offers so much money that it’s getting beyond ridiculous for Richmond to pay that money, then I think he might leave,” he told Hungry for Sport.
"I never thought he would leave Richmond, but it's now highest bidder."
It’s been rumoured North Melbourne’s offer is in the vicinity of $1.5 million per season and far superior to the six-year $1.2 million a season offer from Richmond.
The Australian journalist has suggested Hawthorn might be a new player in the market for the 26-year-old.
With Luke Hodge announcing his retirement, and Josh Gibson expected to do likewise, in addition to the 20 per cent increase in salary cap, the Hawks could have enough funds at their disposal to make a play for the Brownlow Medal favourite.
“I wouldn’t be surprised if Hawthorn has a massive interest in Dustin Martin,” Denham said.
“There was a massive rumour last week it was Sydney but they’ve absolutely denied it on all fronts because they don’t have the money.”
If Martin does depart Richmond – which is shaping as more likely than less likely with every passing week – he could become the first player to leave a club a season after winning the Brownlow Medal.
In the wake of Patrick Dangerfield’s suspension, the key midfielder is a raging favourite to win this year’s award.
No out of contract player has ever won a Brownlow Medal.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/03/dusty-now-open-to-highest-bidder/
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BARRETT: Waiting game will make Dusty a rich man
Damian Barrett
afl.com.au
3 August 2017
IN AN industry paranoid of outsiders and ultra-protective of its own set ways, the entry of a man like Ralph Carr causes mayhem.
Clubs fear dealing with him. Many don’t trust him. Fellow player managers are at the least bemused, and most are angered, by the tactics he employs in striving for what he believes is the best deal for his client.
Carr is a relatively recent AFL blow-in and he does not care for others’ thoughts.
He has forged a successful, albeit highly controversial, path through the entertainment industry. Jon Stevens, Kate Ceberano, Tina Arena, Cosentino, Richard Wilkins, even Pseudo Echo, and many others, have all been represented by Carr. Some remain in love with his work, others in extreme dislike, even hate.
In his AFL pursuits, Carr is not beholden to the protocols of those with large numbers of players on their books. He doesn’t have to worry about the need-to-stay-sweet-with-the-clubs politics which can consume and sometimes influence the actions of those outfits.
With only three AFL players on his talent books, he is about 300 players short of the TLA-Stride monster.
As the 2017 season unwinds on its most peculiar and unpredictable path, Carr is emerging as one of the most significant storylines.
His management of the AFL’s most intriguing and arguably biggest name, Dustin Martin, has not been copybook, and his hold-off tactics with Martin’s contract have frustrated everyone associated with Richmond, the club at which Martin started his career in 2010.
In an ideal world for the Tigers, Martin would have re-signed months ago. Many people are still pleading with Carr to tell Martin to re-sign before the finals start next month.
But the people who are critical of him are choosing to forget that in playing this hold-off game, Carr has managed, no matter what happens from here, to secure for Martin a deal that will be at least $1.5 million, and quite possibly $2.5 million, over five years more lucrative than it would have been had he bowed to outside pressure and dealt with the matter six months ago.
In compiling this article, several people who know Carr, the AFL and entertainment system, and Carr himself, were approached.
Many, clearly, didn’t like anything about him or his ways. The word “cowboy” was raised twice. Some simply laughed at the mention of his name, others said he was too keen to make himself the story in order to promote himself and his business.
A theme was his skill set in the entertainment industry not being at all translatable to AFL business, because of the individual versus team philosophy.
One person spoken to said he would never operate the way Carr had with Martin in holding out on the Tigers and openly seeking outside offers and presentations, but conceded that if his organisation, like Carr’s, had only three players on the books and not multiple players at most clubs, that it too would not feel compelled to play the keep-sweet-in-the-big-picture game with clubs.
Martin came to be under Carr’s control when Robbie D’Orazio, then working for Carr, drew on the trust Richmond players Dan Jackson and Luke McGuane had in him and managed to convince Martin to leave his original group.
D’Orazio has since left Carr’s business. Martin stayed with Carr. In 2013, when Martin was out of contract, Carr shopped the ultra-talented midfielder around. Upon knowing this, the Tigers pulled their initial offer, but ultimately re-contracted Martin, and then did so again at the end of 2015.
Despite denials from the Tigers and Carr, it is fact that the drawn-out nature of this current Martin situation can be traced back to that action by the Tigers in 2013. As to what percentage it has driven the overall situation, only Carr would know. But it has been a factor.
The last time Carr played this contractual hold-off game was in 2012, when Collingwood’s Travis Cloke was being courted by rivals, most particularly Fremantle.
The Magpies were adamant they would be offering only a four-year extension, not the five which Carr demanded. When the po-ker game arrived at the day where cards needed to be revealed, Cloke got a five-year offer to stay with the Magpies.
No matter what happens from here, Martin, via his own on-field brilliance and Paddy Dangerfield’s suspension, is a near-certainty to win the 2017 Brownlow Medal.
No one has ever had greater career and financial leverage in the AFL than Martin right now.
It is a situation that has been reached from an individual-over-team outlook from Carr.
Martin, given his clear investment in Carr to act in such a way all year, is not only OK with it, but has clearly thrived on it.
No need to judge either person adversely. It’s business, without restriction.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-03/barrett-waiting-game-will-make-dusty-a-rich-man
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He has forged a successful, albeit highly controversial, path through the entertainment industry. Jon Stevens, Kate Ceberano, Tina Arena, Cosentino, Richard Wilkins, even Pseudo Echo, and many others, have all been represented by Carr.
Surprised he took on Martin, who wasn't even born in the 80's let alone peaked in that decade...
Martin came to be under Carr’s control when Robbie D’Orazio, then working for Carr, drew on the trust Richmond players Dan Jackson and Luke McGuane had in him and managed to convince Martin to leave his original group.
Thanks Hackson & McGoof.... >:(
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These journos are going to look like fools when it is announced Martin is staying at Richmond next week.
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Caller into Sen saying Carr was spotted walking into Waverly park this morning.
Only problem with that so called fact was he said he was a tall bloke, and Carr looks like a midget
Does anyone know how we force a club to trade? Is it only when we match the offer?
Ever notice that the rumors on Dustys alleged destination club starts the week we play that same team?
yes true that and if you heard that twit on the radio i would think its fake news.
what did he look like? uum he was tall. LMFAO turn it up.
hey dooks what happens in contracts say if the tigers dont accept an offer from a club dusty nominates? Do we have to suck it up and deal like the crows?
I think....
If we don't match the offer from a club that Dusty nominates then he goes to that club, ala Tyrone Vickery.
If we match it and Dusty does not accept that offer then i think we are forced to trade or Dusty takes pot luck in the draft.
Yep sounds right
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Now 3AW saying Martin was seen down at Waverly this arvo....which I'm sure he was 3 days before we play them....
...however can confirm this is what he was doing just last night...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m8Ij4qAzdg
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Good to see a bit of personality from the boys instead of the robot crap we are fed in mainstream media
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North Melbourne is cashed up enough to lure both Dustin Martin and Josh Kelly to the Kangaroos
August 4, 2017
by Lachlan Ballingall,
Media Academy columnist
FOX SPORTS
THEY are the most talked about footballers in the AFL at this moment, but it has not impacted the form of either Greater Western Sydney’s Josh Kelly or Richmond’s Dustin Martin.
When you have millions and millions of dollars linked to your name for the upcoming season, one could accept a drop in form, but these two have relished it.
They’ve both taken their games to levels that we have not seen before. Different types of footballers, but both elite at what they do.
North Melbourne seem to be the most talked about club when it comes to both these superstar footballers and the reasons are obvious. The delisting of the four veterans last year has left the Roos with an incredible amount of money and room left in the salary cap.
Before going any further, there’s no guarantees either of these players will be at Arden Street next season, but many simply refuse to believe that the Kangaroos have a genuine chance of acquiring their services.
Many feel North don’t have the pulling power to get one or both these stars, but here’s why they have reason to be optimistic.
Josh Kelly
This man no doubt is a huge chance to join North for the 2018 season. The latest offer seems to be around the $7.5 million mark over five years, according to David King.
It is a huge amount of money for a 22-year-old, but is he worth it? Absolutely.
Kelly has everything you want in a midfielder. He is well beyond his years and has only got better with every dollar added by the media speculation.
His ball use on the outside, his ability to win a contested ball and his tackling pressure is why a number of Victorian clubs are circling around the talented youngster.
The Roos have the advantage of acquiring the services of Kelly for a number of reasons. The obvious one being the money offered. You just cannot turn down that amount at his age. The chances of him earning a salary like that outside of football are borderline impossible.
He’s obviously more chance of winning a premiership at Greater Western Sydney, but it would be difficult for one to turn down that amount of money. If he were to sign for the Roos, no one can accuse him of chasing money. He has an opportunity to set himself up for life and that is difficult to turn down.
Also, many people who commentate on the topic seem to forget he was actually a Roos supporter growing up. His father, Phil Kelly, played for the Roos. There is certainly family history within the club.
This is a deal that looks like it very well could happen and that no doubt will excite the North faithful. Obviously the only issue with this deal is the Kangaroos will have to give something away as Kelly would not be a free agent.
Dustin Martin
Acquiring Martin is a much trickier task for anyone chasing him. He seems to really enjoy playing at the Tigers and it’s not hard to see why.
They love him down at Punt Road and he’s given the Tiger faithful plenty to cheer about over the years.
This deal is slightly different to the Kelly one in the sense that Martin is very much in his career best form. Kelly still has plenty of growing to do as a player, but getting Martin now, you very much are getting him at a time where he will be at his best.
Also, Martin is a restricted free agent which means the Tigers are limited in what they can do.
It’s been reported that Richmond can offer him around the $6 million mark over six years, according to Jon Pierik and Caroline Wilson. It’s still a very good offer, but the Roos can no doubt better it.
Martin, like Kelly, has an opportunity to set himself up for life after football. One does feel the decision is slightly more difficult for Martin compared to Kelly. He has no real ties to the football club, but money certainly can talk.
Martin’s agent, Ralph Carr, was spotted in Hobart on the weekend at North Melbourne versus Melbourne. No one knows exactly what was taking place, but it’s interesting without a question of a doubt.
Also, if Kelly were to come and Martin followed, who knows what the Roos could achieve. There’s no denying they would improve Brad Scott’s list dramatically and perhaps propel them towards a top four finish in the future.
Being 16th on the ladder wouldn’t excite either player too much, but they also need to put it into perspective. The Roos have lost a number of games under a goal and if they had won those, who knows, perhaps they would be eyeing off a spot in the top eight.
The point is they aren’t as far off as some think. It’s a tough decision for both players, but North know both would be considering their offer, even if most in the public refuse to believe it.
From the outside, Kelly seems like he will join, but Martin is still up in the air.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/media-academy/north-melbourne-is-cashed-up-enough-to-lure-both-dustin-martin-and-josh-kelly-to-the-kangaroos/news-story/4946dd73b0bc595b37ce19a14ea15397
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 6 minutes ago
Dustin Martin signature on new deal imminent to stay with @Richmond_FC
7 years, $1.2 million a season & the CBA increase on current deal
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan/status/893381211845910528
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In before first "If Tony Sheahan said it then he's definitely leaving" comment...
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 6 minutes ago
Dustin Martin signature on new deal imminent to stay with @Richmond_FC
7 years, $1.2 million a season & the CBA increase on current deal
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan/status/893381211845910528
Sam McClure and a few others also backed it up on twitter but Mark Stevens now saying on ch.7 that the reports are "off the mark".....
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Put me out of my misery
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Put me out of my misery
You don't need to be miserable.
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7 years! He should be massively inked up by then
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 6 minutes ago
Dustin Martin signature on new deal imminent to stay with @Richmond_FC
7 years, $1.2 million a season & the CBA increase on current deal
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan/status/893381211845910528
Sam McClure and a few others also backed it up on twitter but Mark Stevens now saying on ch.7 that the reports are "off the mark".....
Here's Mark Stevens' Ch 7 report:
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/893393738172518400
Tony Sheahan is sticking to his claim on twitter:
Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 5 hours ago
I'm comfortable with my tweet
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan/status/893395312835833856
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Caro has more or less backed the TS tweets. She understands its about 1.1 for 6 or 7.
http://www.3aw.com.au/caroline-wilsons-declaration-about-dustin-martin/
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Does this mean Gale took a pay cut
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Does this mean Gale took a pay cut
Exackery
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HUN tweeting about it now :sleep
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Info regarding Dusty's possible contract is starting to sound a little like strategic leaking to me.
Any info about what sort of a deal he might or might not sign with us gives all the other clubs an insight into what it might take to grab him.
I have a nasty feeling that we are going to get hit with an 11th hour contract demand.
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Info regarding Dusty's possible contract is starting to sound a little like strategic leaking to me.
Any info about what sort of a deal he might or might not sign with us gives all the other clubs an insight into what it might take to grab him.
I have a nasty feeling that we are going to get hit with an 11th hour contract demand.
Or it just means he has signed and it will be announced shortly.
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Info regarding Dusty's possible contract is starting to sound a little like strategic leaking to me.
Any info about what sort of a deal he might or might not sign with us gives all the other clubs an insight into what it might take to grab him.
I have a nasty feeling that we are going to get hit with an 11th hour contract demand.
Or it just means he has signed and it will be announced shortly.
Given the way Ralph Carr has handled this, I can't see that being the case.
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Dustin Martin contract future: Richmond closing in on deal for Martin to remain a Tiger
Herald Sun
6 August 2017
RICHMOND is believed to be closing in on a multimillion-dollar deal to secure its star midfielder Dustin Martin.
There has been speculation the Tigers have offered the raging Brownlow Medal favourite a six or seven-year contract, worth between $1.1 to $1.2 million per season.
Martin’s manager Ralph Carr has consistently said a deal won’t be finalised until the end of the season, and he reaffirmed that yesterday, saying there was “nothing to report”.
Martin, 26, was this week backed into odds-on favourite to win football’s highest individual honour after his most obvious rival Patrick Dangerfield was suspended for a match.
If Martin re-signed with the Tigers it would sink an audacious bid by North Melbourne to lure him to Arden St.
The Kangaroos are believed to have tabled a six-year offer worth more than $6 million to Martin’s management.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has remained confident this year that Martin’s eight-year tenure at Punt Rd would be extended.
“He has been in the system for eight years not and he is a guy who has improved every year. It’s a credit to him and the work he does,” Hardwick said last month.
“He takes care of himself, I would love to say I have had a massive contribution to it, but he’s just a bloody good player.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/is-dustin-martin-poised-to-resign-with-richmond/news-story/79f52d3cc596cab9bb6568af448455a4
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7's GameDay this morning:
* Dusty's manager Ralph Carr was seen again watching North play last night linking Dusty to North.
* Speculation today that Dusty met with North's leadership group over the past week or so.
* Those close to the scene at Richmond remain confident Dusty will stay even though others in the camp say there's still some way to go.
* For what it's worth, Fev reckons 10/10 that Dusty will stay at Richmond. He claimed Dusty wanted another year and that's been sorted.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/7aflgameday/status/894006545238728704
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Maybe Ralph actually supports North?
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Maybe Ralph's next tupee will be made of Goldstein's back hair.
:shh
#insaneconnection #trybeforeyoubuy
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Wonder if Carr is overplaying his habd a bit here. Im sure RFC get it, they're seriously considering Norths deal.
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Maybe Ralph's next tupee will be made of Goldstein's back hair.
:shh
#insaneconnection #trybeforeyoubuy
:lol
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Maybe Ralph's next tupee will be made of Goldstein's back hair.
:shh
#insaneconnection #trybeforeyoubuy
In that case would be a skullcap at best ;D
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Farewell hug?
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Farewell hug?
Still 7 weeks left for us, plenty of time for goodbyes... :shh
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Farewell hug?
Still 7 weeks left for us, plenty of time for goodbyes... :shh
:clapping
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Maybe Ralph actually supports North?
Carlton actually
Was on the board at Carlton one upon a time
Didn't last long
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Is that a new tattoo on his arm? $$$$$$
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I love a good reach around
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Denham says it could happen as early as today.
Tony Sheahan says that Carr and Dusty are in a cafe right now.
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Denham says it could happen as early as today.
Tony Sheahan says that Carr and Dusty are in a cafe right now.
And the Merkin has a seat at the table, with its own place mat.
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Dusty's coffee date sets tongues wagging
afl.com.au
7 August 20017
AFTER another weekend of speculation about Dustin Martin's contract, the Richmond superstar caught up with his agent Ralph Carr on Monday morning.
Contacted by AFL.com.au, Carr trotted out his standard 'nothing to report' line, but clearly things are bubbling along.
The pair was spotted meeting at a South Yarra café on Monday morning.
It follows a weekend in which long-term contracts have been floated, figures of $1.2 million a season have been bandied about, and then more radio buzz of an imminent announcement on Monday.
Martin, a restricted free-agent at season's end, had indicated he wouldn't decide on his future until the Tigers' campaign was over.
However, the goal posts appeared to change last week, when Carr went public saying a decision could be made before the end of the home and away season.
Asked if things were looking more positive in relation to Martin after Sunday's win over Hawthorn, coach Damien Hardwick shrugged his shoulders and grinned, but then said the negotiations were being handled by others.
Whatever the case, everything is pointing to a new deal soon, which would eliminate a massive distraction as the Tigers prepare to embark on a potentially historic finals series from within the top four.
The 26-year-old has had a stellar season for the Tigers, kicking 26 goals, averaging 3.6 tackles a game and being tipped as a Brownlow favourite by many.
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Ralph Carr and Dustin Martin spotted at a South Yarra cafe on Monday morning.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-07/dustys-coffee-date-sets-tongues-wagging
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FFS.....
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The Merkin is looking a bit untidy. No wonder Dusty can't look him in the eye!
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wtf is that rug on his bonce? It looks like a chewed up toilet mat. rug head.
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The Merkin is looking a little Prince like this morning...
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Dead?
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As if there would be an announcement before the home season ended, heading into finals, that he's leaving ;D
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wtf is that rug on his bonce? It looks like a chewed up toilet mat. rug head.
Fully dyed pet ferret
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The way he took writing royalties from Tina Arena's music publishing, claiming he co-wrote the songs.
That's the mentality
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The meeting this morning suggests they're weighing up whether to pull the trigger and sign now and be done or stick to the original plan and wait it out.
Negatives: he hasnt signed, contrary to speculation.
Positives: He wants to stay.
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The meeting this morning suggests they're weighing up whether to pull the trigger and sign now and be done or stick to the original plan and wait it out.
Negatives: he hasnt signed, contrary to speculation.
Positives: He wants to stay.
I am not convinced that such an important meeting would be held in a public place. Oh hang on, it is Ralph Carr.
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The Merkin is looking a little Prince like this morning...
:lol
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The way he took writing royalties from Tina Arena's music publishing, claiming he co-wrote the songs.
That's the mentality
Was he mates with Rolf Harris?
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Tom Browne on Ch 7's Talking Footy last night with the latest on Dusty's contract talks (spoke to Ralph Carr and our Prez Peggy O'Neal):
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/talkingfooty/status/894496561052303360
* We've upped our offer to 7 years and a million plus per season.
* Carr rang Browne last night to reinterate that he should get an answer by the H/A part of the season. Not going to derail Richmond's season.
* North are resigned to the knowledge that Dusty will be staying at Richmond.
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"I'm certain he'll stay" - Caro has no doubt in her mind that Dustin Martin will be in the yellow and black next year.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/894530480850128897
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Peggy O'Neal today on Dustin Martin: "We're all hopeful and hope we get some good news very soon."
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/894521449687392257
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Nought . Lmfao
Honestly how much should money really matter if it meant playing a sport you love in front of 50 fans vrs 50k plus every week
They were never a threat it was more the sydney clubs or a hawthorn
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N0rt! :lol
Have a look at their list, no-one deserves over $250k, they could pay Martin $3m a season and still have cap space.
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Nought . Lmfao
Honestly how much should money really matter if it meant playing a sport you love in front of 50 fans vrs 50k plus every week
They were never a threat it was more the sydney clubs or a hawthorn
Gary Ablett took the $.
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Nought . Lmfao
Honestly how much should money really matter if it meant playing a sport you love in front of 50 fans vrs 50k plus every week
They were never a threat it was more the sydney clubs or a hawthorn
Gary Ablett took the $.
700k vrs 1.7 whatever the afl gave him is a bit different, plus ablett had a flag
besides id rather play for gold coast than the gypsy kings. At least you get sun up there
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Nought . Lmfao
Honestly how much should money really matter if it meant playing a sport you love in front of 50 fans vrs 50k plus every week
They were never a threat it was more the sydney clubs or a hawthorn
Gary Ablett took the $.
700k vrs 1.7 whatever the afl gave him is a bit different, plus ablett had a flag
besides id rather play for gold coast than the gypsy kings. At least you get sun up there
And you can get away from the AFL fish bowl.
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N0rt! :lol
Have a look at their list, no-one deserves over $250k, they could pay Martin $3m a season and still have cap space.
Ben Brown could be anything in a good side and worth a squillion
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Be nice if we are still in the running to get Brown or Lynch next year instead of having a good chunk of the money & cap space required tied up in the likes of Levi Casboob.... :shh
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Mark Stevens on Ch7 news tonight said that the Dusty Camp has again reiterated that nothing will happen before the end of the season
Now Steveo didn't say if that was the H&A season or the end of the entire season
Whatever :sleep
all getting a bit farcical now on so many levels
Whatever
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F U Merkin if that is true!
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F U Merkin if that is true!
I know I will cop whacks for this and people know my views about the Merkin
But Dusty could end this circus now...end of the day it is HIS decision, not the Merkin's
Media keeps waffling on about Dusty being his own man, well then be "your own man", end the circus, tell the Merkin I'm signing, give me a bloody pen and that dead thing our scone is a disgrace
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That's BS.
Dusty wont have even read the contract and is doing what he is told.
The merkin idiot is believing the rubbish about what a great job he is doing and pushing for more. The guy is a first class stuff wit that gives a poo about no one but himself. Just ask Tina
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That's BS.
Dusty wont have even read the contract and is doing what he is told.
The merkin idiot is believing the rubbish about what a great job he is doing and pushing for more. The guy is a first class stuff wit that gives a pooe about no one but himself. Just ask Tina
Dusty is an adult, not a kid
Merkin is employed by him not the other way around. Merkin does what Dusty says
Well that's how it should work
But you seem to be saying that Dusty is incapable of standing up to a bloke with a dead ferret on his scone
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That's BS.
Dusty wont have even read the contract and is doing what he is told.
The merkin idiot is believing the rubbish about what a great job he is doing and pushing for more. The guy is a first class stuff wit that gives a pooe about no one but himself. Just ask Tina
Dusty is an adult, not a kid
Merkin is employed by him not the other way around. Merkin does what Dusty says
Well that's how it should work
But you seem to be saying that Dusty is incapable of standing up to a bloke with a dead ferret on his scone
Spot on, I think old Dustmeister likes a show.
With Ferret top ring leader.
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It's not a dead ferret.
I swear I saw it move the other day when he sat in N49 at the G.
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It's not a dead ferret.
I swear I saw it move the other day when he sat in N49 at the G.
I only thought it was dead because it looks like it's been dyed jet black
And surely that would kill the poor defenseless creature :thumbsup
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Maybe the club is involved in this?
Let's face it, we are on the cusp of finishing the season in a very strong position to launch an assault on the premiership.
What better news to be able to roll out as a motivator than Dusty resigning with the club, especially if we have an unexpected loss along the way which might shake the confidence of players and or supporters.
If I was Dimma I'd like an ace up my sleeve.
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Watson lauds Ralph Carr for Dusty management
By Justin Talent
SEN
8 August 2017
Former Essendon skipper Tim Watson has praised Dustin Martin’s manager Ralph Carr for the way he has handled the star Tiger’s long-drawn out contract talks this year, believing he has got the best deal for his client and his club.
SEN news breaker Sam McClure believes that terms between Martin and Richmond have been agreed to, with only a signature on paper the barrier to the 26-year-old committing to the Tigers long-term.
The reported seven-year deal is touted to be worth at least $1.2 million per season, news which Watson called great for both player and club.
While Carr has attracted disapproval from Richmond supporters in particular for reportedly shopping Martin around to rival clubs, Watson says his guidance in advising the midfielder to wait as long as possible before signing a new deal was wise.
He believes Martin’s exceptional 2017 season, one that is likely to see him win the Brownlow Medal this year, has forced the Tigers to up the ante on their contract offer.
“I know Ralph Carr attracts a lot of criticism from people, but you would have to say that if your job as a manager is to get the best deal you possibly can for your player and it ends up being a seven year, 1.2 to 1.3 million dollar contract, then he has done an unbelievable job for Dustin Martin,” Watson said on SEN Breakfast.
“Had Dustin Martin’s form gone off in some way, then you would say OK, the handling of this has been incorrect, but he knows his client. His client has responded beautifully, magnificently.
“In fact, had he signed him at the beginning of the year, he might have got an offer of $800,000 or $900,000 a year over five or six years. Now he is going to get significantly more and larger contract because of the way he has gone about it.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/08/watson-lauds-ralph-carr-for-dusty-management/
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Dusty wont have even read the contract and is doing what he is told.
If true then that is still Dustys fault. End of the day it's his signature and his choice
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Edstar @eddie1007
Just a question from a naive punter. If a deal is so imminent with Dusty, why so much push to keep it under wraps until EoS?
Ricky Nixon @rickynixontoot
1000 reasons they might hav even sign others first, the deal might invoice 3rd parties, balance btw salary cap & Asa allowance on & on etc
Edstar @eddie1007
Well that'd be fair enough if he waits until after BL night. Reports were he'd sign at the end of H&A season.
Ricky Nixon @rickynixontoot Aug 8
He's not out of contract until Oct 31st what's the rush + media will go berserk he's focus is Finals not fans
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot/with_replies
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Dusty wants a seven year contract from Richmond as talks heat up
Jake Niall
FOX SPORTS
August 10, 2017 6:06pm
DUSTIN Martin has asked Richmond for a seven-year contract, which would see the superstar bound to the club until the end until the end of 2024.
The Tigers have increased their offer to Martin to more than a million dollars a season, but the length of tenure appears to be the main sticking point, with Martin’s management understood to have recently pushed for a seven-year term.
The Tigers have indicated a willingness to offer Martin six years and more than a million dollars, having raised their initial offer from more than $800,000 and at least four years.
While there has been speculation in AFL club circles of an imminent signing by the Brownlow Medal favourite, Martin’s manager Ralph Carr reiterated on Thursday that Martin would not make a decision until the end of the season.
“It’s going to happen at the end of the year,’’ said Carr, who would not comment on the length of Richmond’s offer or those from other clubs.
If the Tigers granted Martin – a restricted free agent – his request for a seven year deal, he would turn 33 midway through the last year of the contract.
Martin would still be considerably younger than Lance Franklin will be when his record-breaking nine year deal expires in 2022. Franklin will turn 35 in January of that season.
North Melbourne is a confirmed bidder for Martin, having offered him a long-term deal which could be significantly increased in the event that Greater Western Sydney’s Josh Kelly decides to spurn North’s massive nine year offer of close to $10m and stay with the Giants.
The Sydney teams have ruled themselves out of the bidding for Martin, while Hawthorn and Essendon, too, have decided not to pursue the superstar. Collingwood’s salary cap and positional needs make it highly unlikely to chase Martin, while Carlton and St Kilda have other priorities – including Kelly.
Martin is a short-priced favourite for the Brownlow Medal and leads a number of media awards. He has risen in stature to be rank – according to most experts - alongside Patrick Dangerfield and Franklin as the game’s best player.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dustin-martin-asking-for-seven-years-on-new-contract-at-richmond-as-talks-heat-up/news-story/a807a4c41ecbbfb22828de5de62f635b
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We've kept players 1/10th the level of Dusty longer than what he's asking for so why not chuck on an extra year
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Geez alfuckinmighty......seriously, if we lost him over that then everyone invovled should be sacked on the spot....
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Just do it
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stuff give him 10 :cheers
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I was told today, Dusty has wanted to make the announcement but Carr has disallowed it.
Martin apparently made hwis displeasure clear to Carr by way of an employment ultimatum.
Source -Port MELBOURNE.
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Well Mick Molloy reckons Dusty is about to or has already re-signed*.
* Source: A mate of Dusty's mechanic who claims Dusty told his mechanic that he's getting a new Jeep next year.
;D
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Well Mick Molloy reckons Dusty is about to or has already re-signed*.
* Source: A mate of Dusty's mechanic who claims Dusty told his mechanic that he's getting a new Jeep next year.
;D
That would make sense then.
Expect Carr to get the arse after this.
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Sorry.
U were being facetious
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I was told today, Dusty has wanted to make the announcement but Carr has disallowed it.
Martin apparently made hwis displeasure clear to Carr by way of an employment ultimatum.
Source -Port MELBOURNE.
He wants it announced on the eve of the finals in that rubbish celebration of football week
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I was told today, Dusty has wanted to make the announcement but Carr has disallowed it.
Martin apparently made hwis displeasure clear to Carr by way of an employment ultimatum.
Source -Port MELBOURNE.
He wants it announced on the eve of the finals in that rubbish celebration of football week
and Carr is saying no.
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I'm still wondering if the club is playing a role in determining the timing of any announcement.
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The Merkin wants the ex missus to serenade Dusty as he signs in front of the media throng.
:thumbsup
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I was told today, Dusty has wanted to make the announcement but Carr has disallowed it.
Martin apparently made hwis displeasure clear to Carr by way of an employment ultimatum.
Source -Port MELBOURNE.
He wants it announced on the eve of the finals in that rubbish celebration of football week
and Carr is saying no.
No i meant Carr does, Dusty wants it over and done with now
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I was told today, Dusty has wanted to make the announcement but Carr has disallowed it.
Martin apparently made hwis displeasure clear to Carr by way of an employment ultimatum.
Source -Port MELBOURNE.
He wants it announced on the eve of the finals in that rubbish celebration of football week
and Carr is saying no.
It's called saving face. And he isn't even Asian
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Barrett on the Footy Show:
Contract talks have now moved to discussing Dusty's post-footy time and setting him up post-retirement. Richmond has sold hard to Dusty about the marketability of being a one club player and Dusty has bought into it. Involves a 3rd party deal around working with other Richmond players in programs at schools and with schoolkids. It's all above board. We've now reached a point where a 6-7 year deal is poised to be signed in the coming weeks.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/AFLFootyShow/status/895618795959500800
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Funny reading the North boards during this whole contract saga.
First it was .....do not want . Dusty is a spud of the highest order who cant perform in finals . Would prefer Fyfe .
Then after round 1 , when Dusty started the season on fire - they changed their tune pretty quick.
Then there was an assumption that the deal was as good as done . They were calling him their Dusty .
There's going to be a lot of disappointed folk over there .
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Funny reading the North boards during this whole contract saga.
First it was .....do not want . Dusty is a spud of the highest order who cant perform in finals . Would prefer Fyfe .
Then after round 1 , when Dusty started the season on fire - they changed their tune pretty quick.
Then there was an assumption that the deal was as good as done . They were calling him their Dusty .
There's going to be a lot of disappointed folk over there .
After he re-signs they will be saying how he's overrated and they never wanted him anyway.
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Wonder if their fans will be making Go Dusty signs next year?
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Funny reading the North boards during this whole contract saga.
First it was .....do not want . Dusty is a spud of the highest order who cant perform in finals . Would prefer Fyfe .
Then after round 1 , when Dusty started the season on fire - they changed their tune pretty quick.
Then there was an assumption that the deal was as good as done . They were calling him their Dusty .
There's going to be a lot of disappointed folk over there .
After he re-signs they will be saying how he's overrated and they never wanted him anyway.
They'll be happy they made us pay "overs". Even though it was less than they offered Dusty ;)
They're a club full of pullers
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Wonder if their fans will be making Go Dusty signs next year?
You know north fans are complete biatches to the rest of the comp when they make signs pleading for other clubs gun players.
Submissive and Weak. Its embarrassing.
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If Dusty wants 7 years.
No problem.
7 years $8 million.
Would offer that in a heartbeat.
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If Dusty wants 7 years.
No problem.
7 years $8 million.
Would offer that in a heartbeat.
Yeah I think that is good for both parties
One club champion for 1.14 a season is good for him and probably not overs from the clubs point of view but honestly who knows what the actually figure will be.
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Funny reading the North boards during this whole contract saga.
First it was .....do not want . Dusty is a spud of the highest order who cant perform in finals . Would prefer Fyfe .
Then after round 1 , when Dusty started the season on fire - they changed their tune pretty quick.
Then there was an assumption that the deal was as good as done . They were calling him their Dusty .
There's going to be a lot of disappointed folk over there .
After he re-signs they will be saying how he's overrated and they never wanted him anyway.
:thumbsup
Which doesn't make them that different to a lot of Tigers' supporters
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Ralph Carr's latest to Ch 7 news:
'No decision has been made. To reiterate, no decision will be made until the end of the season. Dustin hasn't indicated if that's the end of the H/A season or after the finals.'
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Starting to get me concerned again. If, after 2 weeks straight of the reports more-or-less being "he's going to stay", why hold back the decision?
Methinks this tale has one or two more twists left in it....
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Guys, its been done. He's staying.
Put it to the back of your minds and enjoy the season.
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Guys, its been done. He's staying.
Put it to the back of your minds and enjoy the season.
Yep, remember where you heard it first. Right here on page 23 of this thread :thumbsup
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The reason its the end of the H/A season is because there are still clubs in play to make the 8, to cut a long story short keep your eye on ESSENDON. There still in play.
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Guys, its been done. He's staying.
Put it to the back of your minds and enjoy the season.
Yep, remember where you heard it first. Right here on page 23 of this thread :thumbsup
True.
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Dusty is aware of rival offers: Choco
By SEN
14 August 2017
Former Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams has revealed he is aware of the monumental financial offers in-demand Tiger is receiving from other clubs.
Martin is out of contract and has been linked to the likes of North Melbourne, Essendon, and GWS. His former colleague, Williams, says the Brownlow Medal favourite knows the multi-million contract offers are out there.
“Dusty is working it through, I know huge offers are out there from other clubs, and I'm 100 percent aware of that,” he said on SEN Afternoons.
“It makes it really difficult when teams are offering millions more than what other teams are offering. He is still in there and Richmond is still a big chance.”
The Tigers are sitting inside the top-four and have been tipped by some pundits as legitimate flag chances, and Williams believes this will be a factor in Martin’s decision.
“Winning is very paramount in any player’s mind,” he said.
“Being part of a winning premiership, when you sleep at night at the end of your career, you feel satisfied. It doesn’t matter how many friends you got, if you’ve been in a winning team, that’s the number one.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/14/choco-aware-of-rival-offers-for-Dusty/
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Dusty is aware of rival offers: Choco
By SEN
14 August 2017
Former Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams has revealed he is aware of the monumental financial offers in-demand Tiger is receiving from other clubs.
Martin is out of contract and has been linked to the likes of North Melbourne, Essendon, and GWS. His former colleague, Williams, says the Brownlow Medal favourite knows the multi-million contract offers are out there.
“Dusty is working it through, I know huge offers are out there from other clubs, and I'm 100 percent aware of that,” he said on SEN Afternoons.
“It makes it really difficult when teams are offering millions more than what other teams are offering. He is still in there and Richmond is still a big chance.”
The Tigers are sitting inside the top-four and have been tipped by some pundits as legitimate flag chances, and Williams believes this will be a factor in Martin’s decision.
“Winning is very paramount in any player’s mind,” he said.
“Being part of a winning premiership, when you sleep at night at the end of your career, you feel satisfied. It doesn’t matter how many friends you got, if you’ve been in a winning team, that’s the number one.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/14/choco-aware-of-rival-offers-for-Dusty/
Breaking news: out of contract star receiving big offers from other clubs.
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Breaking news: out of contract star receiving big offers from other clubs.
And he knows about them. That's torn it
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I've heard his manager has knocked back the offer from N0ught Melbourne as they will find it difficult to process 1.3 Million dollars worth of food stamps a year..
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I've heard his manager has knocked back the offer from N0ught Melbourne as they will find it difficult to process 1.3 Million dollars worth of food stamps a year..
:clapping
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Dusty hasn't signed due to a hold-up & North Melbourne fc
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan/status/898334571443363840
Surely not Hold the bus hold the bus has North put a Tiger in the Tank
Correct it gets to a point where thats the better deal + u know if someone is taking up $1.5M they aint winning a premiership soon
Didn't say that said North have put a new big offer in front of a Richmond player
Any club that pays an individual player in access of $1.5M is just thumbing their noses at up and coming stats & capt at Club
Trouble is Dan at this time of year Clubs put this stuff out there sometimes just to make their supporters have belief they are trying
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot
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Info regarding Dusty's possible contract is starting to sound a little like strategic leaking to me.
Any info about what sort of a deal he might or might not sign with us gives all the other clubs an insight into what it might take to grab him.
I have a nasty feeling that we are going to get hit with an 11th hour contract demand.
Looks like it is 11th hour time :(
I am feeling done with this. No player is bigger than the club. Maybe we should just move on.
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Gone....
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Info regarding Dusty's possible contract is starting to sound a little like strategic leaking to me.
Any info about what sort of a deal he might or might not sign with us gives all the other clubs an insight into what it might take to grab him.
I have a nasty feeling that we are going to get hit with an 11th hour contract demand.
Looks like it is 11th hour time :(
I am feeling done with this. No player is bigger than the club. Maybe we should just move on.
I hope we are also planning for the worst and we are in the AFL's ear about better compo than a pick in the teens for a probable brownlow medallist and a guy going to be maybe the highest paid player in the league. Scully/Ablett type compo.
Then we go after Kelly
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so how can North afford him? Does Dusty really want to play in front of much smaller crowds?
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Info regarding Dusty's possible contract is starting to sound a little like strategic leaking to me.
Any info about what sort of a deal he might or might not sign with us gives all the other clubs an insight into what it might take to grab him.
I have a nasty feeling that we are going to get hit with an 11th hour contract demand.
Looks like it is 11th hour time :(
I am feeling done with this. No player is bigger than the club. Maybe we should just move on.
I hope we are also planning for the worst and we are in the AFL's ear about better compo than a pick in the teens for a probable brownlow medallist and a guy going to be maybe the highest paid player in the league. Scully/Ablett type compo.
Then we go after Kelly
not sure it works like that.
isnt it free agency compo or draft picks, not both?
i feel if its via a trade nought wouldnt part with their first round pick 3 for martin leaving us high and dry.
compo would be after our first you would think which is pooe.
as for going after kelly, we couldnt land a hooker down in stkilda let alone someone like that.
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Gone....
i think we will know after the game against the saints.
no signature in that week off then his gone.
there is no way he would announce it during finals, and highly unlikely he would announce it after the GF as he will be with swan in ibiza
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If they come ninth, I'd leave too
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Info regarding Dusty's possible contract is starting to sound a little like strategic leaking to me.
Any info about what sort of a deal he might or might not sign with us gives all the other clubs an insight into what it might take to grab him.
I have a nasty feeling that we are going to get hit with an 11th hour contract demand.
Looks like it is 11th hour time :(
I am feeling done with this. No player is bigger than the club. Maybe we should just move on.
I hope we are also planning for the worst and we are in the AFL's ear about better compo than a pick in the teens for a probable brownlow medallist and a guy going to be maybe the highest paid player in the league. Scully/Ablett type compo.
Then we go after Kelly
not sure it works like that.
isnt it free agency compo or draft picks, not both?
i feel if its via a trade nought wouldnt part with their first round pick 3 for martin leaving us high and dry.
compo would be after our first you would think which is pooe.
as for going after kelly, we couldnt land a hooker down in stkilda let alone someone like that.
I mean we could end up with pick ~16 compo for losing Martin. We should request better compo from the AFL for losing one of the leagues top 5 players. Melbourne and Geelong got 2 picks for losing Scully and Ablett.
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I wonder if Brad Snott leaving for the Suns would change anything?
Why go to a basketcase club with no coach?
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got it wayne. That scully deal is one of the reasons i cant stand melbourne, the james frawley compo is another. They did pick up toumpas with one of the pics though. LMFAO
the afl and their fraudalent competion can get stuffed
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After losing to Geelong and having a coach come out and blame the Umpiring, I see. O reason why Dusty would want to stay.
Wait and see where we finish.
That'll be all he needs.
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Gone....
i think we will know after the game against the saints.
no signature in that week off then his gone.
there is no way he would announce it during finals, and highly unlikely he would announce it after the GF as he will be with swan in ibiza
Yep
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Lever, Hopper, Kennedy, draft Brander :shh
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They did pick up toumpas with one of the pics though. LMFAO
Who was it that wanted us to get him via a trade? :lol
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/4-dustin-martin-part-2.1174217/page-26#post-51977719
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/4-dustin-martin-part-2.1174217/page-26#post-51977719
No source link to any of those quotes. It's not from Barrett's twitter account. Sounds like a hoax.
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I for one think he will stay.
I sure as hell want him to, so here's hopin :thumbsup
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Over to you Dusty.
Today's game looked like a lot of fun.
Of course, you could get a few more dollars playing at North,..........
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Another 3 votes again today imo.
If we lose him we may as well shut the doors.
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Whatever Dusty's doing right now, just keep doing it. Was scintillating today.
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Saving his best Richmond games for last..... :shh
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Saving his best Richmond games for last..... :shh
Do you really think he is going?
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I don't. :shh
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Can never tell if Dios being a horrible troll or is just a little.to excited about giving us shyte news....
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We can always match opposition offers, and I for one would be happy for RFC to match basically anything thrown at Dusty or at least bleed another team dry of talent and picks.
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We can always match opposition offers, and I for one would be happy for RFC to match basically anything thrown at Dusty or at least bleed another team dry of talent and picks.
This is what we should do if he leaves. I think he stays.
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If we match an offer, at what cost do we draw the line?
If another club offers him $1.5 million per season, do we match that?
Because at that price, he is going to be on close to double what anyone else on out list is getting.
I agree with a number of experts around the place saying that if you want to win a flag, you cannot pay one player so much of your cap.
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If we match an offer, at what cost do we draw the line?
If another club offers him $1.5 million per season, do we match that?
Because at that price, he is going to be on close to double what anyone else on out list is getting.
I agree with a number of experts around the place saying that if you want to win a flag, you cannot pay one player so much of your cap.
Yes but by matching the offer we are merely trying to force a trade that suits as opposed to keeping
him.
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If we match an offer, at what cost do we draw the line?
If another club offers him $1.5 million per season, do we match that?
Because at that price, he is going to be on close to double what anyone else on out list is getting.
I agree with a number of experts around the place saying that if you want to win a flag, you cannot pay one player so much of your cap.
How much are we paying: Hampson, Maric, Grigg, Houli, Morris? Fancy losing dusty due to not wanting to paying an extra couple 100k and keeping these muppets around :rollin
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If we match an offer, at what cost do we draw the line?
If another club offers him $1.5 million per season, do we match that?
Because at that price, he is going to be on close to double what anyone else on out list is getting.
I agree with a number of experts around the place saying that if you want to win a flag, you cannot pay one player so much of your cap.
How much are we paying: Hampson, Maric, Grigg, Houli, Morris? Fancy losing dusty due to not wanting to paying an extra couple 100k and keeping these muppets around :rollin
Maric's retiring so his wage or lack of it does not come into the equation
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If we match an offer, at what cost do we draw the line?
If another club offers him $1.5 million per season, do we match that?
Because at that price, he is going to be on close to double what anyone else on out list is getting.
I agree with a number of experts around the place saying that if you want to win a flag, you cannot pay one player so much of your cap.
How much are we paying: Hampson, Maric, Grigg, Houli, Morris? Fancy losing dusty due to not wanting to paying an extra couple 100k and keeping these muppets around :rollin
Maric's retiring so his wage or lack of it does not come into the equation
It comes into question because it's more money for the dusty-fund. Assuming he's on more than what a new min wage draftee would be. It would be incredible to divert these types on funds on c graders and not give dusty the big dollars
Yarren and Deledio also come off the books end of this season, I hope. There should be plenty of cap space. There isn't an abundance of great players. Still no finals won since the cold war :santa
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GWS optimism on Josh Kelly is bad news for Richmond
Greg Denham
The Australian
21 August 2017
Greater Western Sydney’s increased optimism over the past week that superstar Josh Kelly will stay with them for the next two years spells big problems for Richmond’s bid to retain Brownlow Medal favourite Dustin Martin.
There appears to have been a big turnaround in Martin’s situation, with the Tigers losing the confidence that they had the upper hand in recontracting the free agent.
After beating West Coast at Spotless Stadium on the back of a clear best-on-ground performance from Kelly, GWS coach Leon Cameron reiterated his confidence that the midfielder wanted to stay with the Giants until the end of 2019. Despite the constant distraction of Kelly’s immediate future — with North Melbourne, St Kilda and Carlton all after him — the uncontracted 22-year-old has maintained his focus and has hardly missed a beat this season.
On Saturday the left-footer gathered a club record 43 possessions and eight clearances in the 21-point win. Enormous courage can be added to his CV after being crunched when he collided with West Coast’s Josh Kennedy approaching time on in the final quarter.
How did he respond after being bandaged up on the bench? Unbelievably, under pressure, he delivered a brilliant right-foot pass to Shane Mumford, who kicked truly for goal, before Kelly booted the final goal of the match himself.
Kelly’s contract status beyond has been a talking point all year, and Cameron said his focus had been undiminished despite the speculation. “He’s had a huge year and that’s why we value him so much,” the coach said. “We understand where he’s at in terms of the contract.
“He’s wanted by us, and I have no doubt he wants to stay at our footy club. On the back of those sorts of performances you understand why other clubs are looking at him because he is a pretty good, god damn player. He wants to win for our footy club and he had a massive game.”
There is no doubt Kelly and the Giants have appreciated the return from injury in recent weeks of big-bodied on-ballers Stephen Coniglio and Jacob Hopper.
Importantly for the league’s newest club, it’s thought in Sydney’s west that if Kelly stays, so will his mate Hopper, who is also out of contract and has attracted the most attention from Carlton and Geelong.
But it is the Tigers who are starting to get nervous because North Melbourne are believed to be on the verge of increasing their offer to Martin if they miss luring Kelly — the second of their two-pronged priority recruiting strategy. With both Richmond and North Melbourne already having offered Martin six-year deals of more than $1 million annually, as exclusively reported in The Australian in May, the Kangaroos are now preparing to negotiate their deal out to seven years as well as a pay increase to almost $1.5m a year.
The Australian believes North Melbourne officials, possibly including coach Brad Scott, are preparing as early as this weekend, to fly to New Zealand to speak to Martin’s father Shane.
Martin’s future appears to have changed significantly over the past fortnight, as the Tigers were very confident they had almost closed the deal for Martin to play out his career at Punt Road. Right now, that no longer appears so.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/gws-optimism-on-josh-kelly-is-bad-news-for-richmond/news-story/50a07ef86098311f3588a76f202a0454
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If we match an offer, at what cost do we draw the line?
If another club offers him $1.5 million per season, do we match that?
Because at that price, he is going to be on close to double what anyone else on out list is getting.
I agree with a number of experts around the place saying that if you want to win a flag, you cannot pay one player so much of your cap.
Yes but by matching the offer we are merely trying to force a trade that suits as opposed to keeping
him.
What do you think we would get if we were to force a trade. Looking at his body language I reckon he is gone.
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If we match an offer, at what cost do we draw the line?
If another club offers him $1.5 million per season, do we match that?
Because at that price, he is going to be on close to double what anyone else on out list is getting.
I agree with a number of experts around the place saying that if you want to win a flag, you cannot pay one player so much of your cap.
Yes but by matching the offer we are merely trying to force a trade that suits as opposed to keeping
him.
What do you think we would get if we were to force a trade. Looking at his body language I reckon he is gone.
Cashbolt.
Bookmark it.
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Denham: Dusty’s “dramatic” North swing
By SEN
21 August 2017
Greg Denham believes Richmond are losing a grip on in-demand superstar Dustin Martin, as North Melbourne remerge as a prime contender to secure his services.
Denham reported in The Australian today that the Tigers are “losing the confidence that they had the upper hand in recontracting the free agent [Martin].” With Josh Kelly showing more interest to remain a GWS Giant, Denham is reporting North’s offer is gaining urgency, as "North Melbourne officials, possibly, including coach Brad Scott, are preparing as early as this weekend, to fly to New Zealand to speak to Martin’s father Shane."
Speaking on SEN’s Hungry For Sport, Denham reiterated his report.
“There was a big dramatic change from Richmond swinging back to North in the last week,” he said.
“Something really significant has happened over the last week or two. I think Richmond was feeling quite confident that they had the deal done. All of a sudden, off the table, I’m not sure whether North got wind of what is now coming through GWS where Josh Kelly, after what Leon Cameron said, must be giving an indication to the Giants that he will stay for the next two years and not leave.
“To be honest, North are so desperate, they were after both players, but they need a least one to rejuvenate and they’re obviously going to put all their eggs in the Martin basket. It seems to be whatever it takes.
“At the start of the year, we had Martin around a four-year deal at about $850,000 to stay at Richmond. The four-years has now gone to six or seven, the 850 has gone to $1.2-1.5 million, which will make Dusty the highest paid player in the AFL.
“You can just see North’s bid is absolutely massive and they’re leaving no stone unturned. Whether they go to New Zealand, the money, the length of contract, they’re leaving nothing to chance.”
Tigers’ legend Kevin Bartlett believes his former club needs to take advantage of Martin’s talent while they have it, stating “Richmond fans will be devastated if Martin packs his bags, the only thing that could sooth the heartache would be if he leaves as a premiership player.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/21/denham-dusty-s-dramatic-north-swing/
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not looking good. Gee if you cant keep a talent like that from going to nought, what hope do you have of gaining the services of a lever.
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Forget that.
Carlton.
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not looking good. Gee if you cant keep a talent like that from going to nought, what hope do you have of gaining the services of a lever.
Would've thought that would significantly increase those chances
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You dont think it would thwart players wanting to come if they see a player like him leaving to play for a basket case like nought.
Destination club and all that.
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If we match an offer, at what cost do we draw the line?
If another club offers him $1.5 million per season, do we match that?
Because at that price, he is going to be on close to double what anyone else on out list is getting.
I agree with a number of experts around the place saying that if you want to win a flag, you cannot pay one player so much of your cap.
How much are we paying: Hampson, Maric, Grigg, Houli, Morris? Fancy losing dusty due to not wanting to paying an extra couple 100k and keeping these muppets around :rollin
Maric's retiring so his wage or lack of it does not come into the equation
It comes into question because it's more money for the dusty-fund. Assuming he's on more than what a new min wage draftee would be. It would be incredible to divert these types on funds on c graders and not give dusty the big dollars
Maric's wage is already available to go into the Dusty fund as he is retiring.
I think you need to edit your original post and take him out of the muppet group
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Denham: Dusty’s “dramatic” North swing
By SEN
21 August 2017
Greg Denham believes Richmond are losing a grip on in-demand superstar Dustin Martin, as North Melbourne remerge as a prime contender to secure his services.
Denham reported in The Australian today that the Tigers are “losing the confidence that they had the upper hand in recontracting the free agent [Martin].” With Josh Kelly showing more interest to remain a GWS Giant, Denham is reporting North’s offer is gaining urgency, as "North Melbourne officials, possibly, including coach Brad Scott, are preparing as early as this weekend, to fly to New Zealand to speak to Martin’s father Shane."
Speaking on SEN’s Hungry For Sport, Denham reiterated his report.
“There was a big dramatic change from Richmond swinging back to North in the last week,” he said.
“Something really significant has happened over the last week or two. I think Richmond was feeling quite confident that they had the deal done. All of a sudden, off the table, I’m not sure whether North got wind of what is now coming through GWS where Josh Kelly, after what Leon Cameron said, must be giving an indication to the Giants that he will stay for the next two years and not leave.
“To be honest, North are so desperate, they were after both players, but they need a least one to rejuvenate and they’re obviously going to put all their eggs in the Martin basket. It seems to be whatever it takes.
“At the start of the year, we had Martin around a four-year deal at about $850,000 to stay at Richmond. The four-years has now gone to six or seven, the 850 has gone to $1.2-1.5 million, which will make Dusty the highest paid player in the AFL.
“You can just see North’s bid is absolutely massive and they’re leaving no stone unturned. Whether they go to New Zealand, the money, the length of contract, they’re leaving nothing to chance.”
Tigers’ legend Kevin Bartlett believes his former club needs to take advantage of Martin’s talent while they have it, stating “Richmond fans will be devastated if Martin packs his bags, the only thing that could sooth the heartache would be if he leaves as a premiership player.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/21/denham-dusty-s-dramatic-north-swing/
Denham has no idea :thumbsup
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Reeks of desperation from north. Going to ask daddy lol. How old is Dustin again? There becomes a point where he becomes a mercenary. North will find themselves like Sydney, but without the talent, where they're going to need to start unloading players due to salary cap restraints. Worst case is we hit this year's draft with 3 first round picks and a poo load of cap space next year.
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Worst case scenario is Dusty leaves and we get pick 17ish as compo.
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Which would be one of our three picks in the first round. North will probably flop against the Lions. Then not only do they get the first pick but it removes our leverage in being able to match any RFA offer they make to force a trade when he could just walk to them in the PSD anyway.
The compo pick we get under the current system will suck but to be honest it's the fairest to the other clubs. That's my opinion on FA compensation anyway. I feel the same way when we get bumped down the draft order because a player wants to move to another club that has nothing to do with us. The draft should be sacrosanct.
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I forgot about that dwaino re: pre season draft
no doubt put your money on the lions this week :thumbsup
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:thumbsup
I still think we're in the box seat. If they're off to chat with his daddy then they're still clearly trying to woo him. If he wanted to go there or was just about the money then that meeting wouldn't be required. They've lost out on Kelly and are getting desperate by pulling all stops and his manager is doing a fantastic job milking us for the most he can.
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LOL North are nothing more than a stalking horse.
They are going to realise before long that the Merkin has been playing them that whole way along and be mighty pee'd off.
Problem is we are going to pay a lot more than we wanted to as a result.
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Which would be one of our three picks in the first round. North will probably flop against the Lions. Then not only do they get the first pick but it removes our leverage in being able to match any RFA offer they make to force a trade when he could just walk to them in the PSD anyway.
The compo pick we get under the current system will suck but to be honest it's the fairest to the other clubs. That's my opinion on FA compensation anyway. I feel the same way when we get bumped down the draft order because a player wants to move to another club that has nothing to do with us. The draft should be sacrosanct.
If we match a RFA doesn't he have to stay?
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It's hard to match high offers when Benny Gale decides his own annual salary
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If we match a RFA doesn't he have to stay?
Yep or he can requeat a trade, in that case say a big hello pick 1 or 2.
If Dusty was to accept N0rt's offer then it would IMHO show its simply about the $$$, if that ends up being the a
case then you let him wouldn't you :huh3
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If we match a RFA doesn't he have to stay?
Yep or he can requeat a trade, in that case say a big hello pick 1 or 2.
If Dusty was to accept N0rt's offer then it would IMHO show its simply about the $$$, if that ends up being the a
case then you let him wouldn't you :huh3
Unfortunately he is proving to be a non-team player off-field and not that bright. Its a real shame as he displays the opposite on field
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If we match a RFA doesn't he have to stay?
Yep or he can requeat a trade, in that case say a big hello pick 1 or 2.
If Dusty was to accept N0rt's offer then it would IMHO show its simply about the $$$, if that ends up being the a
case then you let him wouldn't you :huh3
Unfortunately he is proving to be a non-team player off-field and not that bright. Its a real shame as he displays the opposite on field
based on what? bc he wont re-sign?
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Which would be one of our three picks in the first round. North will probably flop against the Lions. Then not only do they get the first pick but it removes our leverage in being able to match any RFA offer they make to force a trade when he could just walk to them in the PSD anyway.
The compo pick we get under the current system will suck but to be honest it's the fairest to the other clubs. That's my opinion on FA compensation anyway. I feel the same way when we get bumped down the draft order because a player wants to move to another club that has nothing to do with us. The draft should be sacrosanct.
If we match a RFA doesn't he have to stay?
Good question. I thought he could still turn down the match and walk. Didn't Dangerfield say he would happily give Melbourne one season if Geelong and Adelaide couldn't work out a deal and he went PSD? I know that was a trade and technically the RFA offer didn't go through because Adelaide already said they would match. Would love to actually know now that if we match then it is in fact binding.
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Common guys. If we match and he still wants to go he is in the same position any uncontracted player is. The team wanting him has to come up with adequate trade or he goes into the draft with a price on his head. Because North will finish last, they will have a free hit on him but will need to use their first pick as I think the PSD is not the only an option any more. A bit like Luke Ball to Collingwood I think.
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Common guys. If we match and he still wants to go he is in the same position any uncontracted player is. The team wanting him has to come up with adequate trade or he goes into the draft with a price on his head. Because North will finish last, they will have a free hit on him but will need to use their first pick as I think the PSD is not the only an option any more. A bit like Luke Ball to Collingwood I think.
The hatred towards Dusty from our side would be significant if it went down like that. People would hold that grudge for 60 years.
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North don't need him to win a flag - they need him because they can't survive a proper 4-6 year rebuild...
...Essendon on the other hand..... :shh
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Whilst I am glad we are playing finals I wouldn't mind the H&A season going a bit longer for the hysteria to build up
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Has stopped waving his finger at our cheer squad after kicking goals in the last few weeks........ :shh
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Has stopped waving his finger at our cheer squad after kicking goals in the last few weeks........ :shh
Proof of Dusty leaving if ever I saw it .
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Has stopped waving his finger at our cheer squad after kicking goals in the last few weeks........ :shh
Proof of Dusty leaving if ever I saw it .
or didn't see it as the case may be.
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Can we trade Dusty before his contract technically expires on 31 October?
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If he goes its not all doom and gloom:-
Third pick in the first round
2 x 750k to throw at players from other clubs
He'll rot at North for the next 5 years and retire without a flag
North will be cashless.
And thats if we dont engineer a deal for Norths pick 1 or 2.
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I honestly don't think Dusty will walk to any club without seeing RFC properly compensated.
If Richmond wants to match an offer but Dusty wants to go I think he will request a trade.
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If he goes its not all doom and gloom:-
Third pick in the first round
2 x 750k to throw at players from other clubs
He'll rot at North for the next 5 years and retire without a flag
North will be cashless.
And thats if we dont engineer a deal for Norths pick 1 or 2.
Have I got this right? North lose this week and we are screwed. That will give them the number one pick and he can end up there without having to be traded. So if Dusty wants to go then there is no point matching the offer as we get nothing.
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If he goes its not all doom and gloom:-
Third pick in the first round
2 x 750k to throw at players from other clubs
He'll rot at North for the next 5 years and retire without a flag
North will be cashless.
And thats if we dont engineer a deal for Norths pick 1 or 2.
Have I got this right? North lose this week and we are screwed. That will give them the number one pick and he can end up there without having to be traded. So if Dusty wants to go then there is no point matching the offer as we get nothing.
Why does the Kangaroos losing make ANY difference? It's free agency, not the December draft???
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It only makes a difference if Dusty wants to go there and a deal can't be done. He can then nominate for the draft as an uncontracted player.
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If he goes its not all doom and gloom:-
Third pick in the first round
2 x 750k to throw at players from other clubs
He'll rot at North for the next 5 years and retire without a flag
North will be cashless.
And thats if we dont engineer a deal for Norths pick 1 or 2.
Have I got this right? North lose this week and we are screwed. That will give them the number one pick and he can end up there without having to be traded. So if Dusty wants to go then there is no point matching the offer as we get nothing.
Why does the Kangaroos losing make ANY difference? It's free agency, not the December draft???
Because it gives them the first pick which they can use to take Dusty if a deal can't be done.
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It only makes a difference if Dusty wants to go there and a deal can't be done. He can then nominate for the draft as an uncontracted player.
Which is more likely to be the case., as they will offer us their second round pick not pick 1 leaving us with the option of getting bent over via the psd or accepting the compo pick of a mid teen pick.
they will have us over a barrel when they finish last.
lions @ 1.50 is as sure a bet as anything you will ever see.
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North are a decoy.
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If Dusty leaves he's a mercenary.
Club has gone above and beyond ever since they recruited him . He was invited into the Presidents family home early days - the club supported him throughout the chopstix fiasco . They have been supportive with regards to his dad .
The only issue I can think of was they did sack his best mate who was a friggen trouble maker.
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North are a decoy.
And?
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North are in decay.
EFA
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FIRST ON 7:
Dustin Martin to make a call on his future next week, after meeting with his father in NZ.
@Stevo7AFL has the details. #7News
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/899546551072178177
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And just on North and Denham's article this morning, Brad Scott denied three weeks ago that he was booked to travel to NZ around or after round 23.
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North are in decay.
EFA
North are decay
of faeces...
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Is Martin going to leave?
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hes staying guys
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hes staying guys
How do you know?
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hes staying guys
How do you know?
someone I trust that knows someone.
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Is Martin going to leave?
Who knows
And with this circus I seriuosly am bordering on not caring...
From just about done, to another Ralph stunt which Dusty and his old man have allowed
Over it TBBH
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Is Martin going to leave?
Who knows
And with this circus I seriuosly am bordering on not caring...
From just about done, to another Ralph stunt which Dusty and his old man have allowed
Over it TBBH
I respect a manager doing the best for his client, but Ralph is an entertainment manager. It's not the first time he has done this and imo it's highly distracting for the club. Did I read here he is Bolton's manager too? Would prefer it for the club to avoid dealing with him ever again.
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Is Martin going to leave?
Who knows
And with this circus I seriuosly am bordering on not caring...
From just about done, to another Ralph stunt which Dusty and his old man have allowed
Over it TBBH
I respect a manager doing the best for his client, but Ralph is an entertainment manager. It's not the first time he has done this and imo it's highly distracting for the club. Did I read here he is Bolton's manager too? Would prefer it for the club to avoid dealing with him ever again.
Think he is shai boltons manger too :shh
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Is Martin going to leave?
Who knows
And with this circus I seriuosly am bordering on not caring...
From just about done, to another Ralph stunt which Dusty and his old man have allowed
Over it TBBH
I respect a manager doing the best for his client, but Ralph is an entertainment manager. It's not the first time he has done this and imo it's highly distracting for the club. Did I read here he is Bolton's manager too? Would prefer it for the club to avoid dealing with him ever again.
Yep he is Bolton's manager as well. So next year should be another circus from Carr Entertainment
Get the idea of him doing the best for his client but that doesn't seem to be his mantra ever.
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I'm not a fan of Carr by any means. But in this case he has got it right, holding out on negotiations has added truckloads to Dusty's value. It's been a long time since a player has had the club over a barrel like this. Good on him. There is no way that the club will let him go, there are no amount of Peggy/Benny roadshows that could explain why we lost our best player.
*Any offer by North should only be considered at around 50% of face value, as that is about how much chance they have of being able to pay it, unless they reinstate the pokies or move to Tasmania.
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Trade Bolton to Freo for Balic (if we can somehow work Apeness into the deal, even better)....will be heading home end of next year anyway..... :shh
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Dustin Martin to Kangaroos: $2 million contract, Josh Kelly out, Brad Scott to New Zealand to meet Martin’s father Shane.
Michael Randall,
Herald Sun
22 August 2017
BE afraid, Richmond. Be very afraid. Josh Kelly appears increasingly likely to stay at GWS and that leaves North Melbourne with plenty of dough to throw at Dustin Martin.
The SuperFooty Podcast discuss the biggest fish in the AFL — Josh Kelly and Dustin Martin — and Mick Warner believes the GWS star is out of the picture for North Melbourne, leaving the Kangaroos with a giant $2 million war chest to throw at players including Martin.
“Josh Kelly is definitely out of the race to go (to North Melbourne), maybe anywhere, it sounds like he’s going to stay at the Giants, which means that North Melbourne have suddenly got $2 million,” Mick said.
“Why wouldn’t they just throw it at Dustin Martin and then why wouldn’t he look at that money?”
An annual wage of up to $1.5 million has been touted for the Brownlow Medal favourite.
Anthony Hudson said he suspected Martin would say, but believed he would be looking closely at the big offers.
Josh Kelly appears increasingly likely to stay at GWS. Picture: Phil Hillyard
Reports this morning suggesting North were preparing to fly Brad Scott to New Zealand to meet with Martin’s father Shane were this morning dismissed as totally “laughable” by the club.
Warner said he was in communication with the Kangaroos this morning and he says the club has dismissed the reports in The Australian that officials were to sit down with Shane this week in a bid to persuade Dusty to sign with the club.
Speculation remains rife over Martin’s future, with a number of clubs lining up to bid for the in-demand Tiger.
The Roos were hoping to lure both Martin and Kelly to the club this off-season.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/north-melbourne-could-have-up-to-2-million-to-throw-at-dustin-martin/news-story/b378bda3b0b2f64db5fad8b51bbe8cab
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The desperation is bordering pathetic.
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If he goes he goes
As long as we receive decent compo
The idea of 1.5ml over 7 years is crazy and if that's required, then cya.
If he leaves over money then he's a pathetic mercenary, our offer is massive. If he shows loyalty, then great. It's up to Dusty now.
The excuse used was that we needed to show success, we can finish top 4 and he's considering the 18th side. This doesn't make sense to me. If he wants to play for a minnow in front of 17 members, then good luck to him.
In saying all that, I think he will stay
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Forget N0rf for a moment
Essendon has also been touted as a likely suitor although they have remained tight lipped.On a number of occasions now including last night on Talking Footy and again this morning on SEN Tim Watson has praised the way Ralph Carr has handled this negotiation.
What makes me take notice of Tim's comments more than anyone's is that there was almost a smugness about them.
Maybe I'm reading into something that's not there but if the Bombers and Norf were both offering more than the Tigers you would choose the bombers over Norf if it was soley about the $$$
Thoughts?
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Forget N0rf for a moment
Essendon has also been touted as a likely suitor although they have remained tight lipped.On a number of occasions now including last night on Talking Footy and again this morning on SEN Tim Watson has praised the way Ralph Carr has handled this negotiation.
What makes me take notice of Tim's comments more than anyone's is that there was almost a smugness about them.
Maybe I'm reading into something that's not there but if the Bombers and Norf were both offering more than the Tigers you would choose the bombers over Norf if it was soley about the $$$
Thoughts?
I agree that Tim Watson's comments on this are interesting, but.....
I can't see the Bombers getting him unless they are more focussed on the now than the future. They have some pretty good players on that list that are going to want to get paid. In a year or two Joe Daniher is going to be looking at some serious coin for starters.
I am firmly in the camp that says if you pay a player this much money, you don't have a lot left for the rest of the talent you have and it will compromise your ability to win a premiership in the future.
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As much as I love Dusty the team is more important than the individual. Did the Hawks go bad after Buddy left? How about Geelong and Ablett? Crows and Danger? We've even done better after Ty left :rollin
Seriously enough is enough. Be prepared to let him go.
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Just speculating that for North to offer 7x 1.5m then Dusty has at the very least has told them he wants to stay at Richmond.
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Just speculating that for North to offer 7x 1.5m then Dusty has at the very least has told them he wants to stay at Richmond.
Maybe, but it doesn't mean much. Ralph Carr will be telling Richmond that Dusty is seriously considering North's offer, that Essendon are interested, etc. etc
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For the record Id love for Dusty to stay but.... if he decides to leave for more money then good luck to him. Simple
The club has been extremely supportive of Dustin throughout his development as a player and Individual and I'm sure he would not want to bend us over if he was moving on.
Having said that its always the quiet clubs to look out for like Hawthorn etc.
You could build the team around a player like Dusty and they are proven at putting together great lists that achieve results.
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The other thing that is peeing me off is that North are a financial basket case and are propped up by the AFL equalisation fund. Shouldn't the AFL step in an tell North that an offer like that is financially irresponsible and to pull their head in, or are they complicit in this?
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The hysteria here is unbelievable.
All these so called reports are unsubstantiated. The club has made a firm offer to Dusty and Carr. It is more than reasonable. I have heard he has accepted them in principle. Some fine detail needed still to be sorted.
Dusty loves the club. If he goes back on his agreement then he is a mug but I don't see that happening.
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Of course we all want Dusty to stay, but the player is never bigger than the club.
I have total confidence in the club to have a cut off point.
All the clubs that have lost big stars have been fine and so will we
Franklin
Ablett
Dangerfield
Plenty throughout the history of the game
:gotigers
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The hysteria here is unbelievable.
All these so called reports are unsubstantiated. The club has made a firm offer to Dusty and Carr. It is more than reasonable. I have heard he has accepted them in principle. Some fine detail needed still to be sorted.
Dusty loves the club. If he goes back on his agreement then he is a mug but I don't see that happening.
There's really not much hysteria in here, just discussing what is being posted in the media.
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With north constantly upping their offers to now ridiculous levels that tells me he is staying and North are doing anything to pry him out.
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With the media saying north is constantly upping their offers to now ridiculous levels that tells me he is staying and North are doing anything to pry him out.
amended (in red above)
:thumbsup
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K
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Is Martin going to leave?
Who knows
And with this circus I seriuosly am bordering on not caring...
From just about done, to another Ralph stunt which Dusty and his old man have allowed
Over it TBBH
Personally if Dustin the man had the gonads he would have dealt with 'this months ago.
The Merkin is well known throughout the industry for running roughshod on many a deal.
So the club will be informed going into a finals campaign does it withhold the info from the media and players..I'm sure it will be announced. Or leaked that's how Carr operates.
The whole thing has turned into a 3 ring circus, Merkin, Dustin now Damir Martin, the only operator that has shown to be professional is the club...
Personally 7 years 1.5m we send him on his way, even 7 years 1.2m is a bit OTT.
You can sense a little bit the tide will turn in regards to how the news is received when does announce see ya...if that were the case.
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Actually David Schwartz made a very valid point yesterday using G Ablett Jnr as example
Ablett Jnr chased the $$$ and it's not been a great footy result for him. Yes he has is millions to count but thats all. He's missed out on alot of footy enjoyment and has spent the last 18 months sooking about wanting to come home
Went on to say if it's about the $$$ then do an Ablett and leave, if it's about team and personal sucess (read winning flags) then you stay
It really isn't a hard choice
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Nervous nellies need to relax.
Dusty is going nowhere
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Nervous nellies need to relax.
Dusty is going nowhere
If it's for too much coin, hope he goes
It's all relevant
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Tony Sheahan reporting on twitter that Dusty could end up a Swan and Tippett may come to Tigerland.
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Tear the joint down if that happens.
I would consider swapping Dusty for Heeney and Parker. Otherwise Sydney can FO
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Tony Sheahan reporting on twitter that Dusty could end up a Swan and Tippett may come to Tigerland.
:lol :lol :lol
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https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot/status/899841247824625664
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https://twitter.com/tonysheahan/status/899821450902683648
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Maybe a few were right about his character after all should he do a judd and leave. Interesting
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Norf deal up to $10m over 7 years :shh
Allegedly ;D
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what nonsense just stop it really
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:lol
The media know they've only got another 5-7 days to milk this for all it's worth so it's a peeing contest to see who can make up the most crap and get the most mileage out of it.
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Nervous nellies need to relax.
Dusty is going nowhere
Hope you are right but I expect that North isn't the only player. ;D
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Wouldn't be surprised if Hawthorn or Sydney crept under the radar and Bang.
However wouldn't be surprised if he stayed either.
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Out: Martin, Bolton, Carr, Miles, Lennon, Menadue, first round picks
In: Stringer, Kelly or Hopper & Kennedy, Lever, Balic, Apeness, Trengrove
I could live with that..... :shh
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This is more about getting his Dad back to the country, my friends.
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:lol
The media know they've only got another 5-7 days to milk this for all it's worth so it's a peeing contest to see who can make up the most crap and get the most mileage out of it.
Dusty is the best click bait around.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Hawthorn or Sydney crept under the radar and Bang.
However wouldn't be surprised if he stayed either.
:lol
Haha. Talk about sitting on the fence and having an each way bet! :clapping
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Wouldn't be surprised if Hawthorn or Sydney crept under the radar and Bang.
However wouldn't be surprised if he stayed either.
:lol
Haha. Talk about sitting on the fence and having an each way bet! :clapping
Whats your prediction/prognosis Doc?
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Latest media thought bubble = Dusty plays better at North's home ground :facepalm.
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DUSTIN Martin plays better footy at Etihad Stadium, a fact that's set to have North Melbourne fans salivating as negotiations on his future heat up.
With speculation swirling that the out-of-contract Richmond superstar is weighing up a seven-year $10.5million offer from the Etihad tenants, analysis of statistics shows Martin is potentially more at home in Docklands.
Also up for Martin's consideration, an $8.4million deal on the table from MCG-housed Tigers.
The 26-year-old has played 25 matches at Etihad compared to 100 at the 'G, but in almost every major category he dominates at the roof-covered stadium.
He averages more touches (contested and uncontested), more scoring contributions and more metres gained on the Kangaroos' home turf as opposed to the Tigers' home ground.
He's even polled a whopping 18 Brownlow Medal votes at Docklands compared with 47 votes in four times as many games at the MCG.
Martin is expected to travel to New Zealand to spend time discussing his future with his father after Richmond's round 23 clash with St Kilda.
Making the trip all the more intriguing, his manager Ralph Carr is expected to join him.
Martin's dad Shane was deported by the Australian government to his native New Zealand over alleged bikie links.
Richmond has granted Martin leave from the club several times to visit his father.
Docklands Dusty: MCG v Etihad Stadium
MCG ETIHAD STADIUM
Matches 100 25
AFL Player Ratings 13.3 16.3
Disposals 24.8 26.2
Contested possessions 9.3 9.9
Uncontested possessions 15.5 16.3
Goals 1.0 (104) 1.2 (31)
Score assists 1.1 (106) 1.4 (34)
Tackles 3.1 3.1
Metres gained 426 467
Source: Champion Data
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-22/docklands-dusty-the-stats-favouring-the-roos
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https://twitter.com/tonysheahan/status/899897825110118400
https://twitter.com/tonysheahan/status/899901912459300865
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Richmond can’t match North Dusty offer says McClure
By Justin Talent
SEN
22 August 2017
SEN news breaker Sam McClure believes Richmond will not be able to exercise its right to match any incoming offer for Dustin Martin should he decide to accept North Melbourne’s reported mega deal for the Tigers star.
McClure reports that North Melbourne’s rumoured seven year, $1.5 million a season offer to Martin is just over $300,000 a year higher than Richmond’s current tabled offer over the same period of time.
With the on-baller apparently set to travel with his manager Ralph Carr to discuss his future with his father in New Zealand in the bye week between Round 23 and the finals, The Age journalist believes that while Richmond could have the capacity to increase their offer, they simply don’t have the salary cap space to add over $2.1 million to Martin’s contract over the next seven years.
“It is fair to say that there is no way they can reach $1.5 million times seven,” McClure said on SEN Breakfast.
He added that Martin’s post-football options should mean that the money involved is more important than it would be for other players.
“Dusty, unlike some other players like say a (Luke) Hodge or a (Nick) Riewoldt who are retiring this year, is unlikely to go into the media or coaching, so that extra money is significant,” said McClure.
Tim Watson agreed, believing the current big money contracts the Tigers have for skipper Trent Cotchin, spearhead Jack Riewoldt, star defender Alex Rance and midfielder Dion Prestia heavily limit their wiggle room in negotiations.
“They have probably gone as long and as far as they can,” he said.
“Richmond have got Rance, Riewoldt, Cotchin and Prestia probably under reasonably big contracts. There’s not much wiggle room left there.”
Garry Lyon believes the situation is simple depending on what Martin wants from the rest of his AFL career.
“If he wants to make a financial decision, then he won’t be at Richmond. If it’s purely on the dollars, then he won’t be at Richmond,” he said.
“If there are other things that are more important, then he would (stay at the Tigers).”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/22/richmond-can-t-match-north-dusty-offer-says-mcclure/
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Mario from Doncaster: Hilarious Richmond fan takes aim at North Melbourne’s pursuit of Dustin Martin
August 22, 2017
FOX SPORTS
MARIO from Doncaster is back.
But this time, the fanatical Richmond fan doesn’t have the Tigers in his sights.
Instead, on Monday night, he came focused on the Kangaroos and their pursuit of Dustin Martin.
The regular caller to SEN’s The Run Home has previously compared the demise of his beloved Richmond to the death of JFK, as well as to Mel Gibson’s 2006 film ‘Apocalyto’.
This time, he’s hilariously taken aim at North Melbourne.
“When that Old Kent Road of a club North Melbourne gets uppity about Dusty, it’s time to pull out the baseball bat,” Mario said.
“Last week we heard about the ‘Demons Cheese Platter’. At the petrol station, we’re bringing out the ‘North Hunger Pack’.
“It consists of one frozen sausage roll from IGA, one non-refrigerated, no-name Cola from IGA and a packet of dog chews.
“Five cents from that goes to the North players’ off-season trip to Phillip Island, where Jack Ziebell is going to be photographed with a penguin.”
As is his tradition, Mario then hung up.
His call was abruptly over and the hosts of The Run Home — and us — were left in stitches.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/mario-from-doncaster-hilarious-richmond-fan-takes-aim-at-kangaroos-pursuit-of-dustin-martin/news-story/e3f63634482c3ba42263b9f5514316de
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:lol
:shh
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Mario is a beauty
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Mario is a Melbourne member and does not support Richmond.
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Mario is a Melbourne member and does not support Richmond.
Have heard this from a few sources. Didnt he prove it (being a Richmond supoorter) last year?
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Mario is a Melbourne member and does not support Richmond.
Doesn't dilute his funniness
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Will Dustin sign with us?
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Will Dustin sign with us?
Nobody knows with any real certainty, i don't even think Dustin knows himself right at this moment, but if it drags on into the finals then i think we can kiss his arse goodbye and then i would chase Hopper and Kennedy both.
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RICHMOND will be armed with three first-round draft picks and a recruiting warchest if raging Brownlow Medal favourite Dustin Martin accepts North Melbourne’s godfather offer.
The Herald Sun understands the Tigers will not match the Kangaroos’ contract, believed to be more than $10 million over seven seasons, for their restricted free agent.
On Tuesday, the AFL confirmed the maximum compensation the Tigers could receive for Martin would be a first-round pick tied to their ladder finish.
Rival list chiefs suggested the Tigers could then bank the cash saved on Martin and spend 12 months plotting a raid for Gold Coast superstar Tom Lynch.
The Suns’ co-captain becomes a restricted free agent next year and his retention could make or break the struggling franchise.
Landing Lynch, from Sorrento, would also ease the pressure on Jack Riewoldt, who will turn 31 in 2019.
Tom Lynch has been labelled the game’s best player by former players.
Lynch, 24, was labelled the game’s No.1 player by Jonathan Brown and Dermott Brereton and could command the largest contract in the game’s history when his Gold Coast deal expires.
Richmond’s desire to lure a power forward was laid bare when the club confirmed its interest in No.2 draft pick Josh Schache.
Schache, 20, re-signed with the Brisbane Lions in June.
Richmond already owns Geelong’s first-round pick, which was received for losing Brett Deledio to GWS last October.
Based on current ladder order, losing Martin would deliver the Tigers picks 15 (their own selection), 16 (Martin compensation) and 17 (Geelong’s selection).
They have not boasted such a strong draft hand since activating five top-20 picks — led by Deledio at No.1 — in 2004.
One of their early selections would likely be used to match an expected first-round bid for father-son gun Patrick Naish.
The Kangaroos’ desperation to land a big fish has seen them up their offer for Martin as hope of trading for Greater Western Sydney’s Josh Kelly starts to wane.
The Herald Sun recently revealed the cashed-up Kangas had enough salary cap space and board approval to poach both midfielders.
The Tigers are not prepared to sell the farm to keep Martin given Riewoldt, Brownlow Medallist Trent Cotchin, Alex Rance and prized recruit Dion Prestia are also on wealthy deals.
Martin and manager Ralph Carr will travel to New Zealand during the pre-finals bye to visit Martin’s father in a meeting expected to be pivotal to the explosive midfielder’s decision.
List expert Gary Buckenara recently said the Roos had to blow Richmond’s offer away by about $400,000 per season to lure Martin.
That discrepancy now seems a real prospect given the Tigers’ final offer is in the vicinity of $1.1 million per season.
“They need to do something pretty big … and get a big deal done for their own credibility,” Buckenara said.
Kangas legend Wayne Carey said his former club’s unprecedented offer for Martin would hamper future list decisions.
“They’d be neglecting their duty. That is too much money for one individual to come to that club,” Carey said on Channel 7.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-will-be-armed-with-draft-and-free-agency-warchest-if-dustin-martin-joins-north-melbourne/news-story/d13a13ee92a7f42a8541f12d2efb5e66
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certainly armed with a war chest with pick 17 :birthday
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Rival list chiefs suggested the Tigers could then bank the cash saved on Martin and spend 12 months plotting a raid for Gold Coast superstar Tom Lynch.
If 'raiding' other teams' lists with massive contract offers is what the future for the AFL is, I am going to become disenfranchised pretty quickly.
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Didn't Geelong get 2 1st round picks for Ablett who was on a similar deal?
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That was under a different system that was only put in place temporarily to specifically accomodate for the new expansion teams and was before free agency.
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Dustin Martin contract: Richmond star worth every dollar, writes Jon Ralph
JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
23 August 2017
IF you writing a $10 million cheque, you don’t want it to bounce.
This week Richmond’s wasted investment in Chris Yarran has resurfaced at the same time as they are weighing the risks of a Dustin Martin mega-deal.
Should the Tigers match a rival bid at any cost, or is there a breaking point at which Martin’s price becomes overblown?
Time will tell, but paying most 26-year-olds more than $1.2 million over seven years borders on insanity.
Not Dustin Martin.
Martin is about to show his limitations as a marketing figure, set to win every AFL end-of-year award on offer and unlikely to provide a series of riveting interviews.
Already Richmond and media organisations are this week starting to work through how they tackle that challenge, given Martin is the most reluctant of interviewees.
But on every score so far Martin is worth whatever money anyone wants to throw at him.
Few players have provided the bang for buck Martin has, the durability, the star power, the membership draw, the consistent matchwinning performances.
There is a strong argument to say that Martin has been among the four most consistent players in the AFL these past eight seasons.
He’s clearly not the greatest — September heroics play a part in that judgment.
Yet if you were considering the risk-reward proposition of signing him on a seven-year deal of $8.4 million or above, he ticks every box.
In those eight seasons he has played 174 of a possible 178 games, rested by the club once in his first year and forced to serve a two-week internal suspension in 2012.
He also missed Round 22, 2014 with a minor hamstring injury that was as much of a freshener as anything else.
That’s it.
He doesn’t get suspended (touch wood), doesn’t get injured, just plays to a ridiculously high standard each week.
Only 26 in June, a seven-year deal would see him hitting 33 at the end of his contract.
By that stage you can imagine him playing exclusively as a small forward in the mould of Leigh Matthews, kicking his 40 goals a year as a matchwinner.
Martin remains one of the top handful of one-on-one players in the forward 50, likely to be the smaller version of Alastair Lynch ageing gracefully despite a long-term deal.
Aside from 2012’s 10th placed Jack Dyer finish, he has never been out of the top four in seven completed seasons, about to win his second in succession.
He is in the conversation as the most consistent, which is remarkable in itself given his career is only eight years old.
Ahead of him a trio of 29-year-olds have put together some of the most awesome best-and-fairest results you would ever want to consider.
Scott Pendlebury has finished first (five times) or second in every Copeland Trophy since 2010 and might have been leading this year’s until a Round 17 finger injury.
Sydney’s Josh Kennedy hasn’t finished outside the top three since 2010 and will almost certainly win the Bob Skilton Medal again.
And Joel Selwood has finished top three in every Carji Greeves Medal since 2010 except for a sixth-placing in 2011, where he missed six games.
Only the Tigers know whether they have spare salary cap room if they can match an offer that hovers closer to $1.5 million.
As a firebrand teenager no one knew how he would turn out, but you would bet the house on him to remain a power for seven seasons to come.
BEST & FAIREST FINISHES
DUSTIN MARTIN (Richmond)
2010: 4th
2011: 3rd
2012: 10th
2013: 2nd
2014: 3rd
2015: 2nd
2016: 1st
2017: Likely 1st
JOSH KENNEDY (Sydney)
2010: 3rd
2011: 2nd
2012: 1st
2013: 3rd
2014: 2nd
2015: 1st
2016: 1st
2017: Likely 1st
JOEL SELWOOD (Geelong)
2010: 1st
2011: 6th (Missed 5 games)
2012: 2nd
2013: 1st
2014: 1st
2015: 3rd
2016: 2nd
2017: Will miss too many games
SCOTT PENDLEBURY (Collingwood)
2010: 2nd
2011: 1st
2012: 2nd
2013: 1st
2014: 1st
2015: 1st
2016: 1st
2017: Will miss too many games
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/jon-ralph/dustin-martin-is-worth-every-dollar-clubs-throw-at-him-writes-jon-ralph/news-story/d70ac6b0bba70ea4672aea2f4bdbc120
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Gez a first round pick tied to our ladder position for the best player in the competition last 2 seasons how do these clowns make the rules in that circus.Make Roos trade for him there first round pick and a gun player.
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I think what we are going to witness here is a big win for Ralph Carr, he will be a big winner no matter which way this deal goes because a deal of this magnitude will give him credibility in player circles, I can see his stable increasing in size with this deal albeit he screwed us in money, time and adequate preperation and ground work to set up an acceptable replacement/s for Dustins departure.
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Didn't Geelong get 2 1st round picks for Ablett who was on a similar deal?
If indeed he does leave you have to just smirk.
First Brownlow medalist to leave after just winning?
First one to leave to a club who finishes last, giving us zero pull
Average draft which our recruiting gurus normally screw up
So Richmond
Gez a first round pick tied to our ladder position for the best player in the competition last 2 seasons how do these clowns make the rules in that circus.Make Roos trade for him there first round pick and a gun player.
We are going to get royally screwed if he walks. They won't trade pick 1/2 thus leaving us with a second rounder (19)
Can't see them offer next years first as he can walk for free.
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I really hope Dustin stays. If it was me I would offer him a very lucrative contract. He is worth every cent. It is definitely worth investing in such a player not only for on field success but for off field success.
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I really hope Dustin stays. If it was me I would offer him a very lucrative contract. He is worth every cent. It is definitely worth investing in such a player not only for on field success but for off field success.
Gee I would have thought a $1.1-$1.2 million a season for 6-7 years is a pretty lucrative contract offer
That's what the RFC have reportedly offer, certainly biggest offer by the club ever
So he's got a more than decent offer; if he choses not to accept it then it was never about the club, his mates or team success it was just about the $$. And her gets a new nickname - Gordon as in Gordon Geeko = "Greed is Good" ;D
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We all want him to stay but matching other clubs offers may not be in our best interests.
Let's say it takes 1.4 over 7 years. Crazy talk but that will be the rate North or simeone will offer.
From then on Dusty has a huge ball and chain around his neck.
He will be expected to perform, much like a dancing monkey, for the next 7 years, and when he doesn't, the critics will come hard and fast.
Pressure will build and he may go back to the dark side to console himself.
OR
He may go on to become a truly great player of the game and we will be lauded for backing him, or booed for letting him go.
What result would all this hype and money have on the fabric of the team he plays for next season?
Only time will tell.
I think a fair question to ask is
"What would you do if you were Dustin Martin?"
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Ralph Carr has Benny Gale upside by the ankle on the Punt Rd grandstand laughing maniacally while trying to shake some
Loose change out of his trousers...
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I really hope Dustin stays. If it was me I would offer him a very lucrative contract. He is worth every cent. It is definitely worth investing in such a player not only for on field success but for off field success.
Gee I would have thought a $1.1-$1.2 million a season for 6-7 years is a pretty lucrative contract offer
That's what the RFC have reportedly offer, certainly biggest offer by the club ever
So he's got a more than decent offer; if he choses not to accept it then it was never about the club, his mates or team success it was just about the $$. And her gets a new nickname - Gordon as in Gordon Geeko = "Greed is Good" ;D
Exactly.
The thing that gets me is this
An extra 2 mil is like an extra 1. Wouldn't he make that money back in marketing playing for us?
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I really hope Dustin stays. If it was me I would offer him a very lucrative contract. He is worth every cent. It is definitely worth investing in such a player not only for on field success but for off field success.
Gee I would have thought a $1.1-$1.2 million a season for 6-7 years is a pretty lucrative contract offer
That's what the RFC have reportedly offer, certainly biggest offer by the club ever
So he's got a more than decent offer; if he choses not to accept it then it was never about the club, his mates or team success it was just about the $$. And her gets a new nickname - Gordon as in Gordon Geeko = "Greed is Good" ;D
Correct me if I am wrong but the club has not announced officially what it has offered Dustin to stay. Therefore caution needs to be exercised when raising figures. Furthermore we are not privy to the contract negotiations and therefore to speculate on a player's motive in accepting or rejecting an offer is a dangerous practice. To draw inferences about a player's motive whilst not being privy to the positions of the parties as outlined in the contract negotiations is unfair. There are many factors at play here.
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Not just the money but 7 years is a long time too. That puts him at 34? He may start seriously start tapering off at 30 or begin breaking down like Lids. I would prefer 5 or maybe 6 with triggers. I assume it would be somewhat front loaded to take these things into account but these figures mentioned for the length of 7 years are dangerous.
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His deal will open the floodgates and soon become the norm for the top players....Bontempelli, Kelly...and by the time gun kids like McGrath, Burton, Curnow, Hipwood, Petracca & Powell-Pepper are at their peak no-one will bat an eyelid at these kind of offers....
You'd hope we have a contigency plan because he's not leaving us with much time to do anything else.....
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Not just the money but 7 years is a long time too. That puts him at 34? He may start seriously start tapering off at 30 or begin breaking down like Lids. I would prefer 5 or maybe 6 with triggers. I assume it would be somewhat front loaded to take these things into account but these figures mentioned for the length of 7 years are dangerous.
We're not getting away from anything less 6 years with a trigger of an extra year and $1.2m per year....
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“Dustin Martin stays on $1.2m a year at Richmond,” Jon Ralph predicted on SEN's Hungry For Sport.
“When he put off his contract in October he said, ‘I want success, I want to see if Richmond is successful.’
“I think they’ve held up their end of the bargain.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/23/ralphys-bombshell-trade-predictions/
Former North Melbourne and St Kilda midfielder Nick Dal Santo says the potential $1.5 million a year deal offered by his former club to Richmond star Dustin Martin has almost hit the tipping point of too much money.
“There has to be a tipping point at some stage where paying one player that volume of money, and break it down into a percentage, 12 percent of your TPP that therefore you can’t pay other players,” Dal Santo said on SEN Breakfast.
“If I was honest I would look at Brad Scott and Cameron Joyce (football chief) and say fantastic, to a certain point, a certain value.
“Ben Brown is out of contract and deserves more money, but okay then we lose Ben Brown because he can’t get paid, modestly to what Dusty is, but what he deserves.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/22/dusty-deal-good-to-a-point-says-ex-roo/
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Breaking news
Honest to god, the most important thing to hi is his dad and I've heard on good authority
He's going to do a Jarryd Hayne and give the All bluks a shot.
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I don't know what is happening and what his deal is for delaying apart from that is what he said he was going to do.
We all know we haven't been able to land a big fish in recent times, but one thing the club has been real good at is keeping it's playing group. I still am very confident he is staying.
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Breaking news
Honest to god, the most important thing to hi is his dad and I've heard on good authority
He's going to do a Jarryd Hayne and give the All bluks a shot.
get off the ice pipe
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Breaking news
Honest to god, the most important thing to hi is his dad and I've heard on good authority
He's going to do a Jarryd Hayne and give the All bluks a shot.
Is you on Crack?
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Ricky Nixon @rickynixontoot 4 hours ago
"Every1 needs to take a deep breath on D Martin his Agent Ralph Carr has been OS for a month just back he needs to make sure he's thorough"
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot
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I thought I seen posted a pic of the Merkin and Dusty at a cafe not too long ago?
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Ricky Nixon @rickynixontoot 4 hours ago
"Every1 needs to take a deep breath on D Martin his Agent Ralph Carr has been OS for a month just back he needs to make sure he's thorough"
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot
I'll say one thing about Twitter. In 10 years time no one will be able to speak decent English. How anyone understands this stuff is beyond me.
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I thought I seen posted a pic of the Merkin and Dusty at a cafe not too long ago?
that was 3-4 weeks ago
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Is Butler and Lambert have re-signed is this a clue that Dustin's deal may be locked in?? Surely with the size of the deal other would have to wait??
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Is Butler and Lambert have re-signed is this a clue that Dustin's deal may be locked in?? Surely with the size of the deal other would have to wait??
Maybe for higher earners but not for these two.
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Richmond has reached its limit on Dustin Martin and it shouldn't and can't do any more for him
August 24, 2017
Jake Niall
FOX SPORTS
THE Richmond Football Club has bent over backwards to accommodate Dustin Martin and if the Tigers bend any further they will contort themselves into a position where something breaks.
They have reached the point where there is little more they can do to satisfy “Dusty.’’ They are in his hands, and now can only hope that he accepts what is already a monstrous offer, believed to be an average of close to $1.1m over seven years.
The Tigers, once confident about retaining Martin, have become fatalistic.
They cannot pay Martin the $1.5m over seven years that North Melbourne is said to be preparing to offer — terms that we assume to be subject to Giant Josh Kelly spurning North’s nine year, $10m offer.
They must prepare contingency plans for losing Martin, while remaining hopeful that he has the good sense to accept a deal that would make him easily Richmond’s highest paid player and one of the top few in the competition.
North, who will vie for the wooden spoon on Saturday, will not contend for the premiership for quite a while. The Roos in are phase one of a rebuild. Their pitch, thus, is largely about money.
I doubt that the presence of Marley Williams, Martin’s close friend, will be as compelling to the Martin camp as the prospect of earning an additional $2.5m-$3m over seven years.
Richmond has paid plenty to Alex Rance, Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt and paid a premium to lure Dion Prestia from the Gold Coast.
If Martin signs, then the wage bill for that quintet will approach or surpass $4m annually.
The Tigers still have a few holes in their playing list, which have been covered for by clever coaching this year.
They could do with another key forward to support Riewoldt, and still have a class deficit in the midfield compared with GWS and Sydney.
Richmond’s accommodation of Martin has involved more than simply increasing the size and length of the contract.
The Tigers have encouraged Martin to regularly visit his deported father Shane during this year, and have steadfastly stated that Martin is entitled to wait and exercise his rights as an uncontracted player.
When it appeared obvious that Gary Ablett was leaving Geelong, his coach Mark Thompson found it difficult to contain his irritation and gave Gazza a few clips in public.
The Tigers, conversely, have never expressed any misgivings about Martin or his management during this season-long saga, despite the vexed dealings that the Tigers had with his manager, Ralph Carr, in the past.
Nor, from what one can gather, have they fallen for the cheap trick of getting team mates to put the pressure on Dusty to stay — a practice that can backfire in this era of free agency and the empowered player.
Careful not to inflame the Martin camp, the Tigers have muttered under their breath about the AFL’s free agency system — which would see them receive only Pick 16 on current ladder positions — rather than denigrating the Brownlow Medal favourite.
Martin and his management have stuck firmly to their position that they would not make a call until the end of the season.
This is not what the Tigers wanted, but like speech that one disagrees with, they have defended his right to do so.
Soon, Martin will have to decide what motivates him.
If he wants to maximise his earnings, then it’s almost certain he’ll be gone and you will soon hear the sound of number 4s being untimely ripped from Richmond jumpers across suburban Melbourne.
If his current team mates, winning finals in the short-term and sticking with a club that reared and protected him matters most, then he will stay.
Richmond, though, has no further choices to make. It has given enough ground and can only wait and hope.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-has-reached-its-limit-on-dustin-martin-and-it-shouldnt-and-cant-do-any-more-for-him/news-story/5f2c94a1c2708eb63871893c0fac04da
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Just let him go. Get into the market while you still can and go for a couple of GWS players. Hopper is friends with Butler which might help. If we can get 2 quality kids for Martins replacement, we'll be alright.
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St Kilda would be loving this, we've had article after article about dusty this week and they've had sfa press in the lead up to ruis last game. I smell an upset after being pumped up...
Oh look credit to the opposition, they came to play today...
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I had a dream that I punched the Merkin in the head for holding our club to ransome all year.
Not sure why the helll our club hasn't bagged the crap out of him publicly for what he's done
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I had a dream that I punched the Merkin in the head for holding our club to ransome all year.
Not sure why the helll our club hasn't bagged the crap out of him publicly for what he's done
Because if they did Dusty would definitely be gone.
But this isn't all the Merkin's fault, Dusty is part of this circus. He has the final say, he has control here. To think or suggest otherwise is ridiculous
So please as I said before Dusty is 25 years old, he can end this now. Ultimately it is HIS decision not Carr's, not his Dad's but HIS.
Have felt all year he would stay but based on the circus this has now become; especially the last fortnigh now I am not so sure.
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I agree would like this cleared up by now or finals.Dragged on to long and taking away from our fantastic season.Surely made a decision now.
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I had a dream that I punched the Merkin in the head for holding our club to ransome all year.
Not sure why the helll our club hasn't bagged the crap out of him publicly for what he's done
Because if they did Dusty would definitely be gone.
But this isn't all the Merkin's fault, Dusty is part of this circus. He has the final say, he has control here. To think or suggest otherwise is ridiculous
So please as I said before Dusty is 25 years old, he can end this now. Ultimately it is HIS decision not Carr's, not his Dad's but HIS.
Have felt all year he would stay but based on the circus this has now become; especially the last fortnigh now I am not so sure.
How is this NOW a circus?
They've been consistent about an announcement, Carr hinted that there might be an announcement at the end of the H&A season.
The only change in the past 2 weeks is that Norf have stumped up more cash and probably leaked it to put some media heat on Richmond.
That's isn't the fault of player or manager.
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the prestia and yarran effect starting to bite.
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the prestia and yarran effect starting to bite.
Wouldn't think the Yarran effect would make too much of a difference. That would be off in a year and they could back end a 7 year contract slightly to compensate for that.
Imagine losing Dusty because of Prestia. My goodness.
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the prestia and yarran effect starting to bite.
Wouldn't think the Yarran effect would make too much of a difference. That would be off in a year and they could back end a 7 year contract slightly to compensate for that.
Imagine losing Dusty because of Prestia. My goodness.
back end means more tax doesnt it? So not sure players would go for that.
prestia deal though @750k. lol
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I had a dream that I punched the Merkin in the head for holding our club to ransome all year.
Not sure why the helll our club hasn't bagged the crap out of him publicly for what he's done
Because if they did Dusty would definitely be gone.
But this isn't all the Merkin's fault, Dusty is part of this circus. He has the final say, he has control here. To think or suggest otherwise is ridiculous
So please as I said before Dusty is 25 years old, he can end this now. Ultimately it is HIS decision not Carr's, not his Dad's but HIS.
Have felt all year he would stay but based on the circus this has now become; especially the last fortnigh now I am not so sure.
How is this NOW a circus?
They've been consistent about an announcement, Carr hinted that there might be an announcement at the end of the H&A season.
The only change in the past 2 weeks is that Norf have stumped up more cash and probably leaked it to put some media heat on Richmond.
That's isn't the fault of player or manager.
This is a circus pure and simple. I don't think that should be taken as a pot shot at anyone, it is what it is. Every half assed journo is jumping in to it, every other footy fan has heard something about him staying, going, becoming an All Black etc.
Dusty's team have often stated that they will make a decision at the end of the season. We all know that. But that doesn't mean this hasn't become a circus.
Is that Dusty or Carr's fault. Hard to know for sure because who knows where the misinformation coming out in the media is coming from, although I think it was predictable it would degenerate to what it is as the end of the season drew closer, and I do personally think that was part of the plan in working out a new contract. It will be interesting to see if this has repercussions in the future as I can't see many clubs wanting this to happen again. I can't recall this level of hysteria around Ablett, Franklin or Dangerfield's decisions.
I take WPs point though. This is a circus, and the only person who can stop it is Dusty when he announces his decision.
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I had a dream that I punched the Merkin in the head for holding our club to ransome all year.
Not sure why the helll our club hasn't bagged the crap out of him publicly for what he's done
Because if they did Dusty would definitely be gone.
But this isn't all the Merkin's fault, Dusty is part of this circus. He has the final say, he has control here. To think or suggest otherwise is ridiculous
So please as I said before Dusty is 25 years old, he can end this now. Ultimately it is HIS decision not Carr's, not his Dad's but HIS.
Have felt all year he would stay but based on the circus this has now become; especially the last fortnigh now I am not so sure.
The only circus Ive seen is the media beatup - carr is only doing the right thing by his client, dont think he or Dusty have done anything untoward. If Dusty had of signed earlier in the year he'd be getting nowhere near the deal he's going to land now - like him or hate him, he's done a tidy bit of business here
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I had a dream that I punched the Merkin in the head for holding our club to ransome all year.
Not sure why the helll our club hasn't bagged the crap out of him publicly for what he's done
Because if they did Dusty would definitely be gone.
But this isn't all the Merkin's fault, Dusty is part of this circus. He has the final say, he has control here. To think or suggest otherwise is ridiculous
So please as I said before Dusty is 25 years old, he can end this now. Ultimately it is HIS decision not Carr's, not his Dad's but HIS.
Have felt all year he would stay but based on the circus this has now become; especially the last fortnigh now I am not so sure.
The only circus Ive seen is the media beatup - carr is only doing the right thing by his client, dont think he or Dusty have done anything untoward. If Dusty had of signed earlier in the year he'd be getting nowhere near the deal he's going to land now - like him or hate him, he's done a tidy bit of business here
Pee off Ralph your not welcome here.
Your going to make your client Rich but hated. You are also about to derail an entire teams season because your a selfish x:;@! Don't see that as looking after anyone but yourself
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https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot/status/900470245999099904
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https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot/status/900470245999099904
True but in this case I think its genuine.
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Dusty's a Cidiot too. Make no mistake.
You people are ridiculous, pandering to him.
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How is this NOW a circus?
They've been consistent about an announcement, Carr hinted that there might be an announcement at the end of the H&A season.
The only change in the past 2 weeks is that Norf have stumped up more cash and probably leaked it to put some media heat on Richmond.
That's isn't the fault of player or manager.
This is NOW a circus because all parties with the lesser contributor being the RFC (and there is certainly some irony there based on past efforts) have made it one.
yes the media are carrying on like fox terrier looking for a marrow bone that is bigger than them but....
The Dusty camp has contributed in a massive way in the last month
So much the "speculation" has come from information being "leaked" to the media. Don't you think it's a little strange that the deal was almost done and dusted (no pun intended) up until a few weeks ago? This wasn't just the media getting into another frenzy, trying out do one another this was driven by one of the parties and it wasn't the club.
The only major change in that time was Danger gets suspended and Dusty becomes outright favourite for the Brownlow. Low and behold what happens next? Another delay. T
Then we have good old Ralph come out and say we won't derail the Tigers final campaign so a decision will likely be after the H&A season? What the? We don't want to derail but there will likely be decision between the H&A season and the 1st week of the finals. Yep no derailing there ::)
Then we find out from the media on Monday that Dusty and Ralph are heading to NZ to next week to see Dad & decide. Now how did the media find about that little gem? The RFC? Nope, from Carr ... again no derailment
Then the final piece of the circus comes with the "news" in the last few days that N0rt have upped their offer... again
Yes Carr has to the right thing by his client but that also includes advising on things other than $$$$. Ralph got the bloke his million a season so what more do they want? If they haven't worked out by now what's best long term then they never will
It's a circus and one that with finals so close should end so we can actually enjoy them rather discussing whether someone stays or walks out
Again, ultimately the final decision is Dusty's and he can end this now and he is refusing for whatever reason not too.
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Would be ironic to lose our best player in three decades to a club we effectively subsidise...in a roundabout way they'd be paying Martin with our money...as they take advantage of the capitalism of free agency within the socialism of AFL equalisation....:clapping
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I had a dream that I punched the Merkin in the head for holding our club to ransome all year.
Not sure why the helll our club hasn't bagged the crap out of him publicly for what he's done
Because if they did Dusty would definitely be gone.
But this isn't all the Merkin's fault, Dusty is part of this circus. He has the final say, he has control here. To think or suggest otherwise is ridiculous
So please as I said before Dusty is 25 years old, he can end this now. Ultimately it is HIS decision not Carr's, not his Dad's but HIS.
Have felt all year he would stay but based on the circus this has now become; especially the last fortnigh now I am not so sure.
The only circus Ive seen is the media beatup - carr is only doing the right thing by his client, dont think he or Dusty have done anything untoward. If Dusty had of signed earlier in the year he'd be getting nowhere near the deal he's going to land now - like him or hate him, he's done a tidy bit of business here
Pee off Ralph your not welcome here.
Your going to make your client Rich but hated. You are also about to derail an entire teams season because your a selfish x:;@! Don't see that as looking after anyone but yourself
Yeah im Ralph Carr you stuffing moron
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I don't think I can ever think of a scenario as ludicrous as a player who:
-Is about a win a brownlow medal.
-Has been offered over a million dollars a year over a lengthy period.
-Playing in a young team that is (likely) going to finish top 4 and potentially give the premiership a shake
-From a team with a brownlow medalist, duel Colman medalist and 4x (lets be honest, its a lock this year) AA backman (and arguably one of the greatest of all time)
-Could potentially deliver one of the great clubs a premiership after a 30 year absence of ANY tangible success
in order to go LEAVE for a club that:
- Finished bottom of the ladder
- Is at the start of a rebuild
- Is unsure that their coach will be there next season.
- Unlikely to have any success in the medium term.
Have I got that right?
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He wont go to n0rf, forget them.
Cant see why he wont stay with us but if he did leave it would be to st kilda or essendon etc
Personally over it and completely agree with WP. This whole thing has the ability to derail our finals campaign and i personally think it will.
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He wont go to n0rf, forget them.
Cant see why he wont stay with us but if he did leave it would be to st kilda or essendon etc
Personally over it and completely agree with WP. This whole thing has the ability to derail our finals campaign and i personally think it will.
I'm over it too. Not because I can't hack the speculation but because I'd rather focus on the finals. Happy if we don't want to pay more than our alleged offer.
A champion team beats a team of champions.
His call.
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The Club should make the decision for him. Just say sorry mate, we can't afford to play this game any longer, you're off to North, good luck, enjoy your money and thanks for the memories.
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North keep upping their offer and Dusty keeps telling them to pee off.
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North keep upping their offer and Dusty keeps telling them to pee off.
How do you know?
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North keep upping their offer and Dusty keeps telling them to pee off.
cos they are desperate as they missed Kelly and are throwing ridiculous cash at one player
How do you know?
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North keep upping their offer and Dusty keeps telling them to pee off.
cos they are desperate as they missed Kelly and are throwing ridiculous cash at one player
How do you know?
So Dusty will take it?
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If it turns out that one Dustin Martin re commits to the RFC He wouldn't want his form to drop off.
1.1 / 1.2 million a year and he flatlines after this year, there will be a lynch mob down at Punt Rd, people have long memories.
I'm leaning to saying see ya later, get the pick/s stash the cash and lure a Tom Lynch.
Martin can have his coin at Norf and wallow in mediocrity.
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Dustin Martin contract: $2.8m gap between Richmond and North Melbourne offers, Gary Buckenara urges Tigers to find money
JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
25 August 2017
RICHMOND has been urged to up its offer to Dustin Martin, with the superstar free agent staring in the face of a $2.8 million salary sacrifice to stay at Punt Road.
The Tigers’ best offer is $1.1 million over seven years — $400,000 a year short of the staggering $1.5 million a season offered by North Melbourne.
The Kangaroos’ offer is the biggest in the game’s history, eclipsing mega deals for Gary Ablett, Lance Franklin, Tom Scully and Tom Boyd.
Martin, 26, will sit down with father Shane in New Zealand next week to make the biggest decision of his eight-year football career.
Richmond will not be able to get near that $1.5m offer given wage commitments to high earners Trent Cotchin, Alex Rance, Jack Riewoldt and Dion Prestia
But like Riewoldt and Cotchin before him, he might stay if the Tigers are able to show they have come some way to bridging that gap.
The North Melbourne offer is almost double the $825,000 a season Martin was initially offered by the Tigers at the start of this season.
Veteran list managers Chris Pelchen and Gary Buckenara yesterday told the Herald Sun the Tigers would have some cap wiggle room.
The salary cap will climb to $12.6 million next year, with over $1 million in marketing allowances through the additional services agreement.
Buckenara said Martin also had to decide if he was prepared to be tagged and physically targeted every week as a North Melbourne player.
Hawthorn and St Kilda list builder Pelchen said under the new CBA there was “scope” for a team in finals contention to pay in excess of $1.1 million to a “franchise player”.
“It is risk versus return. In the case of someone like Dusty who could be the difference, it wouldn’t surprise me if they extend their offer,’’ he said.
“With the increase in the CBA there is the chance that a club like that will have some scope.”
“If you look at Riewoldt, Rance and Cotchin as their highest paid player, they still don’t have a $1m player yet.
“If he is considered a franchise player, in such circumstances you have to pay above the market rate. The effect is that it limits your mid-range players. Instead of having players in the B grade range, you have a couple of C graders.”
Former Hawthorn recruiting boss Buckenara, forced to let go of Lance Franklin under a $10 million, nine-year deal, believes the Tigers could sell an increased offer to their fans.
“If they lose him at the moment they are going to take a big hit. As a club they need to be seen to be doing their very best to keep him.
“Maybe they can go another $50,000 or $100,000 a year as a goodwill gesture. They could say it is the highest offer ever in the history of our football club.
“Then they can say they have done their best. If the members don’t think they have done their best and he leaves they might pull the joint down.”
Buckenara says it is an impossible decision for Martin given the attractions of both offers.
“He can say an extra three million dollars over seven years, what will that do for me?’’ Buckenara said.
“I have got a small window of opportunity in my life and that will buy me a few more investment properties, set me up for the rest of my life.
“But he seems quite happy at Richmond and if he goes to North who are a struggling side, which player is every club going to target?
“At Richmond he has Cotchin and other players around him, but that weighs into the decision.
“Will you enjoy it getting smashed from pillar to post week in and week out, getting very little support around you?”
“Or is there another club we don’t know about yet?”
'It's ridiculous money'
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-face-28m-gap-on-north-melbournes-huge-dustin-martin-contract-offer/news-story/9b8a8734762061522f7b267e890242a9
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I heard that the magpies had Dusty in their new blueprint at the last board meeting. :shh :whistle
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Dusty’s decision: Take North’s money or win a flag with Richmond
Josh Mitchell
theRoar.com.au
25 August 2017
If Dustin Martin wants a premiership medallion, then he either needs to drag the Tigers over the line this year, when they shouldn’t win the flag, or re-sign.
Rumours this week have suggested North Melbourne are now offering Martin $10.5 million over seven years – $1.5 million per season, for what will likely take him to the end of his career.
When Martin first announced that he wanted to put off negotiations over his contract to the end of the season, I laughed as the media and fans kept telling Richmond to up their offer and pay the man.
His deferment had little to do with money and everything to do with Richmond’s trajectory after a poor 2016, and three first-round finals eliminations in the years prior to that.
That’s still what a lot of it’s about. However, North have now gone to obscene measures to try and present a ‘Godfather’ offer to Martin – one that he can’t refuse.
There are a number of questions though, that come with taking the Kangaroos up on their offer.
Firstly, there’s North’s current position. They’re battling it out for the wooden spoon this weekend against Brisbane, and they’re not going to be competing for a premiership in the next few seasons.
Richmond will be. 2017 is premature, but give them another consistent tall in the forward 50, and another year or two of development into the current list, and they’ll be in the mix for the next five or so years.
Second is North’s list management. If they’re spending over ten per cent of the salary cap on Martin, that’s a lot less available to pay the other 43 players on their list. Wayne Carey was right this week, when he said the amount North is offering Martin is too much to one player. It’s putting all your eggs in one basket.
Right now, Martin is Richmond’s version of Michael Jordan – great, great player, but Jordan’s greatness was assisted by those around him. So it is with Dusty – can North’s support network provide him the same as he’s getting at Richmond? Can they generate the chemistry that exists between Trent Cotchin and Martin? Do they all balance one another neatly?
Third is Dusty himself. For a media-shy personality, he hasn’t exactly been the type to avoid headlines throughout his career. Richmond have bent over backwards to help him through some of his struggles, and he’s a part of the family at Punt Road.
Does he get the same support when he’s the $10 million man at Arden Street?
Four years ago, part of the decision for clubs to not take Martin was that they knew he was at home at Richmond and didn’t have the passion to go elsewhere. From what I’ve seen of North – particularly toward the end of last year – their administration doesn’t have the same supportive attitude toward their players that the Tigers have provided Martin over the first half of his career.
If Martin takes the big bucks on offer from North Melbourne, in seven years’ time, he’ll sit exactly where Gary Ablett sits right now – having tried and tried to carry an entire team on his shoulders, and wondering whether chasing the money was the right call.
As a final thought, Richmond supporters, don’t think it’s the end of the world if he does take the money.
Martin’s defection would be on par with Lance Franklin or Patrick Dangerfield – but neither Adelaide nor Hawthorn went backwards from the previous season after losing two of the biggest names in the league.
AFL is a team sport, and as good as one player can be, individuals don’t win flags.
If North Melbourne want to learn that lesson the hard way, then let them.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/08/25/dustys-decision-take-norths-money-win-flag-richmond/
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AFL: Dustin Martin visited North Melbourne players while weighing up $10m offer from North Melbourne
By Paul Zalunardo
Channel 9: Wide World Of Sports
25 August 2017
Brownlow Medal favourite Dustin Martin is still weighing up arguably the greatest decision an Australian-based sportsperson has ever had to make.
News that the Richmond star has a $10million deal offer from the North Melbourne Kangaroos still on the table leaves him with more than just the Tigers’ final campaign to worry about.
AFL Footy Show reporter Damian Barrett said the scenario for Martin was a simple one. He can stay with Richmond on a deal worth an estimated $8million over seven years, or head to the Roos for an additional $2m over the same period.
''Richmond can’t match the offer, they are going to be probably $2m short over that seven-year period in what they can pitch, so it comes down to Martin wanting to stay for less or go for the money,’’ Barrett said on Thursday night’s AFL Footy Show program.
A sign of how seriously Martin is considering North’s offer is that he met with key members of the Roos six weeks ago to get a gauge on the club. North captain Jack Ziebell and key defender Robbie Tarrant were reportedly part of the group charges with winning over the New Zealand-born star.
''We now know that North are very serious about it and are not dying wondering,’’ Barrett said.
With his playing future, the AFL finals and a the likelihood of a Brownlow Medal to keep Martin occupied over the next six weeks, the amount of attention that follows him is sure to grow.
http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/08/25/06/31/richmond-tigers-star-dustin-martin-weighs-up-10m-dollar-offer
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KB's Take | The world will keep spinning if Dusty leaves Richmond
By Kevin Bartlett
SEN
25 August 2017
It wouldn’t worry me if Dustin Martin walked away from the Richmond Football Club.
And I’ve always thought that Martin would stay at Richmond.
He would stay because CEO Brendan Gale and director of football Neil Balme would make an offer that was fair and reasonable for the talent of Dustin Martin.
For they are outstanding administrators and they would be honest and upfront with Martin with their best offer.
And the club would be confident it has created an environment and support and development for Martin to enjoy his footy and get the best out of himself.’
If Martin moves because it’s all about money and only money then good luck to him.
He’s a professional footballer with a short career so it would be a business decision.
If he walks out the door the Tigers should shake him by the hand, thank him for his career at Punt Road and shut the book and start looking for the next great player.
For footy clubs are bigger than any individual, great names like Ian Stewart, Billy Barrot, Ron Barassi, Patrick Dangerfield, Buddy Franklin and a host of others have all packed their bags in the past and moved on and the world didn’t stop spinning.
If Martin does walk out of Punt Road the club can look supporters in the eye and say we did our best.
I’m KB, that’s my take.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/24/kbs-take-or-the-world-will-keep-spinning-if-dusty-leaves-richmond/
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Pay someone too much and you'll fail: Balme
By SEN
25 August 2017
Richmond football manager Neil Balme says overpaying players sets a club up to fail.
It’s been reported North Melbourne has pushed every chip in to lure Dustin Martin with a seven-year deal at $1.5 million a season. The deal is said to be significantly more than Richmond is willing to pay the Brownlow Medal favourite.
“We want to pay everyone as much as we possibly can but you can’t pay anyone too much and you can’t pay anyone too little,” Balme told SEN’s Hungry for Sport.
“You’ve got to keep working to make sure everyone gets a fair crack at it because that’s what building a team is about. That’s what builds trust from the players to the club and the club to the players. That’s when teams do their best.
“But if you get it wrong and pay someone too much, or pay people too little, then you’ll fail.”
Despite suggestions Martin was on the verge of re-signing at Tigerland some weeks ago, no signature has been forthcoming. Given rival clubs have not pulled out of the race suggests they believe the star playmaker is still very much on the market.
Balme would not be drawn on whether the Tigers most recent offer was final, but intimated no individual was bigger than the club.
“You take things into account, just as you take the rest of the club into account,” he said.
“Every decision will be made for all of our club and all of our players.
“We preach fairness and commitment, everyone in supporting each other and we demand great performance from each other and accept weaknesses…all of that happens but it can only happen if it happens everywhere, from the pay scale to the game to whatever it is.”
The long time footy boss also questioned the logic and wisdom of free agency.
“If Dustin chooses to go somewhere else because the AFL has introduced free agency then so be it,” he said.
“We said at the outset that free agency was going to be very inflationary and its going to give the guy who is getting a bucket load of dough a bucket load more.
“I don’t understand the logic of that because where are the players going to go if they are not getting more money. Their not going to go and play rugby...it makes no sense to me.
“The lesser players are getting less which doesn’t make any sense to me either because that first notion of team first and buying in and every player is as important as the next one when the ball is at their feet is diminished when these inflationary things happen.”
Richmond is looking to lock away top four when it tackles St Kilda at the MCG on Sunday.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/25/pay-someone-too-much-and-youll-fail-balme/
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thats right balme so explain to us all how you signed off on prestia getting 750k and how the club paid a drug addict like yarran getting 3 years for doing sfa.
As for martin. For once KB is right. Enjoy your time at the bottom fella
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After hearing Balmey this morning I have become convinced that Dusty is leaving. We used to hear from him,"we are comfortable with Dusty making up his mind at the end of the year" now we are hearing him bag free agency and preaching fairness.
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After hearing Balmey this morning I have become convinced that Dusty is leaving. We used to hear from him,"we are comfortable with Dusty making up his mind at the end of the year" now we are hearing him bag free agency and preaching fairness.
Yep thought the same thing.
His gone IMO but what gets me is it will be for pick 19 compo. :banghead :banghead
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I'm scared you guys! :'(
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Maybe I am ready too much into it - but Dusty looked flat when he was being interviewed after the game . He didn't sound like a guy staying .
He's going to take the ridiculous North Melbourne god father offer .
Adelaide survived Danger leaving
Geelong survived Gazza leaving
West Coast nose dived after Judd left - but was playing prelims 3 seasons after .
We will be ok .
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This why I am beyond caring anymore
There are 2 very clear choices at play here, to suggest otherwise is foolish IMO
My view up until 4 weeks ago has always been he would stay. My gut feel now is he is going (want to be wrong but gut says he's going)
We (the club) kept our end of the bargain, marked improvement this year, no possibility the coach (who he supposedly loves) would be sacked, his team mates (again who he supposedly loves) not pressuring him etc. The club over the journey has gone above and beyond in helping and more to the point protecting this bloke from anything and everything
But 3-4 weeks ago it seems everything changed and changed dramatically. And now we have this.... I call it a circus... call it whatever you want
Will say it again 2 clear choices
If it's about success, being at a club that's has done so much for you, being with you mates (who've you referred to as "your brothers"), loyalty while at the same earning over a million bucks then you stay
If it's about just the $$$ then you go
Over to you Dusty
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Maybe I am ready too much into it - but Dusty looked flat when he was being interviewed after the game . He didn't sound like a guy staying .
To be honest I don't ever remember him being interviewed and being any other way. Never seems overly animated after games generally and maybe in this particular case he is well aware that a 100+ win against Freo means absolutely nothing and assume his teammates are mature enough to understand that too.
My take on all this talk of him leaving is yes the money is great but just creeping into his head for a second would an introverted type character such as Dusty want to go through all the processes in developing comradery with new teammates and coaches plus the extra pressure of essentially being the highest paid player in the comp and needing to deliver week in week out plus of course the extra appearances and commitments in relation to new club sponsors etc. I believe he would try to avoid this if he possibly can.
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This why I am beyond caring anymore
There are 2 very clear choices at play here, to suggest otherwise is foolish IMO
My view up until 4 weeks ago has always been he would stay. My gut feel now is he is going (want to be wrong but gut says he's going)
We (the club) kept our end of the bargain, marked improvement this year, no possibility the coach (who he supposedly loves) wouldn't be sacked, his team mates (again who he supposedly loves) not pressuring him etc. The club over the journey has gone above and beyond in helping and more to the point protecting this bloke from anything and everything
But 3-4 weeks it seems everything changed and changed dramatically. And now we have this.... I call it a circus... call it whatever you want
Will say it again 2 clear choices
If it's about success, being at a club that's has done so much for you, being with you mates (who've you referred to as "your brothers"), loyalty while at the same earning over a million bucks then you stay
If it's about just the $$$ then you go
Over to you Dusty
I'm the same, WP. No one can accuse the club of not doing enough. By the sounds of it the club has met his every demand in terms of on field improvement and the coach isn't going anywhere. He will be our highest paid player and the second or third highest paid in the competition should he stay. To offer any more would be irresponsible. Should he decide to chase the money by going to the wooden spooners then imo he is a hypocrite.
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Same - If he does go god I hope Norf rot in the lower reaches of hell for all eternity but moreso while Dusty is there.
The figures thrown around are ludicrous and I just wonder how a minnow such as Norf has this money?
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Still think we should seek to force a trade and get Pick 1 and a player (Sam Durdin) for him.
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Still think we should seek to force a trade and get Pick 1 and a player (Sam Durdin) for him.
Can't match $1.5m
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Still think we should seek to force a trade and get Pick 1 and a player (Sam Durdin) for him.
Can't match $1.5m
= Compo pick AKA screwed
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Still think we should seek to force a trade and get Pick 1 and a player (Sam Durdin) for him.
Can't match $1.5m
Even if we could match they would still tell us to get stuffed and take him with Pick 1 in the PSD.
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Still think we should seek to force a trade and get Pick 1 and a player (Sam Durdin) for him.
Can't match $1.5m
Even if we could match they would still tell us to get stuffed and take him with Pick 1 in the PSD.
Think the PSD is a red herring, we match we keep, we don't he leaves under free agency. Not sure how PSD is even a factor.
Anyways, I think we will find that this will all be revealed soon. Not sure how well the man himself is coping now - this latest burst of new news is starting to having an impact.
Am quite sure Norf is the only serious option and not his preferred option so let's see what happens
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Still think we should seek to force a trade and get Pick 1 and a player (Sam Durdin) for him.
Can't match $1.5m
Don't match 1.5
The offer is the offer
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KB's Take | The world will keep spinning if Dusty leaves Richmond
By Kevin Bartlett
SEN
25 August 2017
It wouldn’t worry me if Dustin Martin walked away from the Richmond Football Club.
And I’ve always thought that Martin would stay at Richmond.
He would stay because CEO Brendan Gale and director of football Neil Balme would make an offer that was fair and reasonable for the talent of Dustin Martin.
For they are outstanding administrators and they would be honest and upfront with Martin with their best offer.
And the club would be confident it has created an environment and support and development for Martin to enjoy his footy and get the best out of himself.’
If Martin moves because it’s all about money and only money then good luck to him.
He’s a professional footballer with a short career so it would be a business decision.
If he walks out the door the Tigers should shake him by the hand, thank him for his career at Punt Road and shut the book and start looking for the next great player.
For footy clubs are bigger than any individual, great names like Ian Stewart, Billy Barrot, Ron Barassi, Patrick Dangerfield, Buddy Franklin and a host of others have all packed their bags in the past and moved on and the world didn’t stop spinning.
If Martin does walk out of Punt Road the club can look supporters in the eye and say we did our best.
I’m KB, that’s my take.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/24/kbs-take-or-the-world-will-keep-spinning-if-dusty-leaves-richmond/
ANOTHER stupid old fool that got Dusty wrong before, bitter about what is going on!
The message has been the same the entire year and that's the decision will be made at the end of the season.... not the end of the season but if we are in the finals that may change because it doesn't suit everyone else.
As much as I want Dusty to stay he is entitled to go wherever he likes if the money is to good to refuse. Loyalty in footy is long gone- just asks Jimmy Bartel who desperately wanted one more year after getting paid unders his entire career, only to be told no by the Geelong FC. And that is fact.
I'm more than happy to give Dusty the benefit of the doubt before trying to be a big hero and slag him off because let's be totally honest, no one really knows what is going on.
The only thing that has changed in the last month is crap the media want us to hear and read.
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KB's Take | The world will keep spinning if Dusty leaves Richmond
By Kevin Bartlett
SEN
25 August 2017
It wouldn’t worry me if Dustin Martin walked away from the Richmond Football Club.
And I’ve always thought that Martin would stay at Richmond.
He would stay because CEO Brendan Gale and director of football Neil Balme would make an offer that was fair and reasonable for the talent of Dustin Martin.
For they are outstanding administrators and they would be honest and upfront with Martin with their best offer.
And the club would be confident it has created an environment and support and development for Martin to enjoy his footy and get the best out of himself.’
If Martin moves because it’s all about money and only money then good luck to him.
He’s a professional footballer with a short career so it would be a business decision.
If he walks out the door the Tigers should shake him by the hand, thank him for his career at Punt Road and shut the book and start looking for the next great player.
For footy clubs are bigger than any individual, great names like Ian Stewart, Billy Barrot, Ron Barassi, Patrick Dangerfield, Buddy Franklin and a host of others have all packed their bags in the past and moved on and the world didn’t stop spinning.
If Martin does walk out of Punt Road the club can look supporters in the eye and say we did our best.
I’m KB, that’s my take.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/24/kbs-take-or-the-world-will-keep-spinning-if-dusty-leaves-richmond/
ANOTHER stupid old fool that got Dusty wrong before, bitter about what is going on!
The message has been the same the entire year and that's the decision will be made at the end of the season.... not the end of the season but if we are in the finals that may change because it doesn't suit everyone else.
As much as I want Dusty to stay he is entitled to go wherever he likes if the money is to good to refuse. Loyalty in footy is long gone- just asks Jimmy Bartel who desperately wanted one more year after getting paid unders his entire career, only to be told no by the Geelong FC. And that is fact.
I'm more than happy to give Dusty the benefit of the doubt before trying to be a big hero and slag him off because let's be totally honest, no one really knows what is going on.
The only thing that has changed in the last month is crap the media want us to hear and read.
Thats about the best thing you have ever posted on here
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KB's Take | The world will keep spinning if Dusty leaves Richmond
By Kevin Bartlett
SEN
25 August 2017
It wouldn’t worry me if Dustin Martin walked away from the Richmond Football Club.
And I’ve always thought that Martin would stay at Richmond.
He would stay because CEO Brendan Gale and director of football Neil Balme would make an offer that was fair and reasonable for the talent of Dustin Martin.
For they are outstanding administrators and they would be honest and upfront with Martin with their best offer.
And the club would be confident it has created an environment and support and development for Martin to enjoy his footy and get the best out of himself.’
If Martin moves because it’s all about money and only money then good luck to him.
He’s a professional footballer with a short career so it would be a business decision.
If he walks out the door the Tigers should shake him by the hand, thank him for his career at Punt Road and shut the book and start looking for the next great player.
For footy clubs are bigger than any individual, great names like Ian Stewart, Billy Barrot, Ron Barassi, Patrick Dangerfield, Buddy Franklin and a host of others have all packed their bags in the past and moved on and the world didn’t stop spinning.
If Martin does walk out of Punt Road the club can look supporters in the eye and say we did our best.
I’m KB, that’s my take.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/24/kbs-take-or-the-world-will-keep-spinning-if-dusty-leaves-richmond/
ANOTHER stupid old fool that got Dusty wrong before, bitter about what is going on!
The message has been the same the entire year and that's the decision will be made at the end of the season.... not the end of the season but if we are in the finals that may change because it doesn't suit everyone else.
As much as I want Dusty to stay he is entitled to go wherever he likes if the money is to good to refuse. Loyalty in footy is long gone- just asks Jimmy Bartel who desperately wanted one more year after getting paid unders his entire career, only to be told no by the Geelong FC. And that is fact.
I'm more than happy to give Dusty the benefit of the doubt before trying to be a big hero and slag him off because let's be totally honest, no one really knows what is going on.
The only thing that has changed in the last month is crap the media want us to hear and read.
What part of KB's article was wrong?
He seems to have a similar stance to you "it's his right to chase more money if he wants to"
Who here is being a hero and slagging Dusty off?
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Tigers OK on Martin's AFL stand-off
SBS
25 August 2017
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says players - including star Tiger Dustin Martin - meeting with other clubs is part and parcel of the AFL industry.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick maintains he's relaxed and comfortable about Dustin Martin's future as the Tigers gear up for a finals campaign without the signature of the AFL star.
Martin, the clear Brownlow Medal favourite, is out of contract at year's end and has attracted interest from rival clubs.
A News Corp report suggests North Melbourne are prepared to offer Martin the biggest deal in the history of the sport - worth $1.5 million each year until 2024.
It's claimed Martin has met with Kangaroos staff and officials, and captain Jack Ziebell, to hear their lucrative pitch.
Hardwick's view is simple.
So what?
The Tigers coach says he supports free agency and he supports Martin exploring his options.
"I think we're all big boys these days. We've got a fair understanding that this happens all the time," he said on Friday.
"North aren't the first to do it and we've certainly done it a number of times.
"We, like other clubs, will entertain players and they'll entertain ours.
"It's part and parcel of our industry at the moment so if you're not in it, you're not involved."
Without the ability to match North Melbourne's mega-money offer, Richmond are relying on the bonds formed over eight years being worth more.
Martin's first game as a Tiger, back in 2010, was also Hardwick's first as the side's coach.
"I love the kid. I've loved him the first day he came into the club and I continue to love him regardless of what happens here," Hardwick said.
"He's been a fantastic player for me. All I'm looking forward to him doing is playing his best footy. He's done that thus far and it's going to continue."
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/08/25/tigers-ok-martins-afl-stand
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Dusty's Roos chat 'part and parcel' of AFL: Hardwick
afl.com.au
25 August 2015
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick accepts superstar Tiger Dustin Martin's meeting last month with North Melbourne is part of the new AFL world, but wishes it was not.
The Martin contract saga continues to dominate headlines as Richmond prepares to lock in a top-four berth on Sunday against St Kilda at the MCG.
AFL.com.au's Damian Barrett revealed on Channel 9's The Footy Show on Thursday night that Martin met "about six weeks ago" with key Kangaroos, including Jack Ziebell and Robbie Tarrant.
"I think we're all big boys these days, and I think we've got a fair understanding this thing happens all the time," Hardwick said.
"It's not often it makes its way into the media, (but) that's how it is. North aren't the first to do it – we've certainly done it a number of times – but is it something that probably as AFL clubs we'd lean to? Probably not.
"But it's part and parcel of our industry at the moment and so if you're not in it, you're not involved. We've got to make sure that we, like other clubs, will entertain players and they'll entertain our players – that's the nature of the land, and that's the way it goes."
North is one of the frontrunners for the Brownlow Medal favourite's services if he leaves Tigerland.
The Roos are reportedly willing to part with $1.5 million a season for seven years, or $10.5 million in total, to lure him. Richmond's best offer could come up $2.8 million short over the duration of the deal.
Martin's high-profile manager Ralph Carr hinted his client could make an announcement on his playing future as early as the pre-finals bye week. But that would likely be only if he was staying at Punt Rd.
"I really enjoy the free agency aspect. I think players, after they've been here a period of time, deserve that right, and I'm here to support Dustin one way or the other," Hardwick said.
"I love the kid, I've loved him the first day he came into the club and I'll continue to love him regardless of what happens here.
"He's been a fantastic player for me. All I'm really looking forward to him doing, and he's done on a weekly basis, is playing his best footy for me … (that is) going to continue, I'm sure."
Hardwick said the constant speculation about Martin was not distracting him or his biggest star, who is heading to New Zealand next week to see his father.
"That's outside noise. We understand it, it's reported on all the time, but it doesn't affect me one way or the other (and) it doesn't affect Dustin one way or the other," he said.
"As soon as he crosses that white line – look out."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-25/dustys-roos-meeting-part-and-parcel-of-afl-hardwick
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From Tony Sheahen's twitter page:
"Latest oil is Dusty wants to stay a Tiger, his Dad wants to listen to North Melbourne"
I wonder if Old Man Dusty is earning a quid or relying on young bloke Dusty to provide for him?
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From Tony Sheahen's twitter page:
"Latest oil is Dusty wants to stay a Tiger, his Dad wants to listen to North Melbourne"
I wonder if Old Man Dusty is earning a quid or relying on young bloke Dusty to provide for him?
Sums up a lot of my suspicions.
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:lol. Latest oil is it tony?
This from the flog that started this weeks feeding frenzy in the media
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It makes sense for Dustin Martin to stay at Tigerland
Caroline Wilson
The Age
26 August 2017
It would be so easy to declare on the eve of Richmond's last home-and-away game that Dustin Martin would be crazy to leave the Tigers.
That, of course, is the prevailing view across the football landscape.
And it is an opinion that is as pragmatic as it is romantic. Because not only will Richmond's seven-year, $1.1 million contract offer make the 26-year-old Martin a very rich man should he remain with a big and potentially successful outfit, but the individual sponsorship deals he will command as a one-club player can — with astute management — secure his future.
There is no hotter player in the AFL than the enigmatic and publicly reticent Martin, explosive on the field and largely silent off it.
There is no hotter story in football than this extraordinary waiting game as the Tigers aim for a top-four position with their reigning club champion and short-priced Brownlow Medal favourite refusing to commit beyond next month.
You can only imagine the airport media circus in the coming days when Martin, joined by his eccentric manager Ralph Carr, head together to New Zealand to visit the champion player's exiled father Shane – father and son are expected to appear soon in an exclusively sold television interview.
Richmond remain unsure whether the Shane Martin visit will bring a decision on his son's future but what appears certain is that the Tigers' offer is their final offer.
Although the Martin camp may rightly question why his club cannot match the latest massive bid from the Kangaroos, most observers are questioning how a rebuilding North Melbourne can justify plunging so much money into one player.
This is an intriguing and dramatic play by North and should it fail, the repercussions seem almost too drastic to hang on just one player.
Even the coach, who must surely have spoken to Martin by now, and his future at the club, are tied to Dusty's choice.
Again it would be easy to break up the difference between the two bids – reportedly $2.8 million over a seven-year period — and mitigate that difference with the tax, the agent's fees, the pressure that would accompany Martin as the franchise player at a smaller club, along with the familiarity he currently enjoys at Richmond. Not to mention the external money that will come his way anyway should he win the Brownlow.
And the external view is that the Tigers have been as good for Martin over the journey as he has been for them. And for a cautionary tale, look no further than the sorry situation being played out between the Gold Coast and Gary Ablett.
It is not fair to compare the Suns and and their ongoing teething problems with North — which very recently played successive preliminary finals — but what is comparable is that Ablett went for the money, an offer he could not refuse, and now he is unhappy and desperately wants to break his contract and come home — and has for more than a year.
Former list manager Gary Buckenara told News Limited this week that Richmond could sell yet another revised Martin offer to its fans.
Interestingly, Martin reportedly indicated during the pre-season that he was waiting to see if the Tigers were heading in the right direction before making a decision.
What is now clear is that it has become about the money. So, alternatively, should Martin reject the Tigers for a godfather offer and no other reason, then supporters would hardly turn on the club.
Richmond, who hold a plan B, would rightly sell Martin's potential departure as a commercial decision and publicly wish him well.
The Tigers, too, would cut their losses, secure in the knowledge they could go no further. And should that happen, both parties are to be congratulated on how they have handled this contractual stand-off. A stand-off which could drag through September, although the club hopes will end with a new deal before the finals.
Even if the view prevails that Martin owes the club for its role in managing his welfare, it is also true that he has come of age as a champion this season.
Neil Balme and Daniel Richardson have played it as well as they possibly could. And the club has made finals.
And Carr, despite being a figure of some derision in an industry which remains suspicious of outsiders, has certainly done a brilliant job for his client in holding out. So, despite the dread in the hearts and minds of Richmond supporters, everyone has played their role, whatever you think of Martin's waiting game.
And as obvious as it seems to football romantics and pragmatists that Tigerland is surely Martin's home, only the player himself knows just how far he has come and therefore how important to his future well-being this massive pay day could prove. That is a view that will most likely be reinforced by his father.
Because no one but Martin has walked through his life in his shoes.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/it-makes-sense-for-dustin-martin-to-stay-at-tigerland-20170825-gy4l7z.html
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Spot on Caro. I'm glad that the clubs offer is final stuff him. The club has done everything right here and it's only ever been about the coin. The idea that was speculated on here that he was was tied to Hardwick's future was laughable.
I'm more curious about what our plan b is? Maybe it's better than plan a
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There is no plan B for this year. That's a Richmond plant designed to spook player and manager
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There is no plan B for this year. That's a Richmond plant designed to spook player and manager
Sounds like its the same ethos even on game day
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From Tony Sheahen's twitter page:
"Latest oil is Dusty wants to stay a Tiger, his Dad wants to listen to North Melbourne"
I wonder if Old Man Dusty is earning a quid or relying on young bloke Dusty to provide for him?
Sums up a lot of my suspicions.
So Dusty wants to stay ::)
If that's the case there is no need for Dad to listen to anything else
Only person he should be listening to is his son
And as for his son, stand up and tell your Dad & moronic manager that YOU have DECIDED and end this circus now
What a crock
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I'm still of the opinion that Dusty is a man of his word.
He said he won't make an announcement till the end of the season. I'm not sure why everybody is now expecting/wanting him to make one before the end of the season.
Still quietly confident although the last hail Mary form North has probably worried me a little for the first time.
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There is no plan B for this year. That's a Richmond plant designed to spook player and manager
Possibly.
I heard a rumour that we are looking at a GWS player, but not Kelly. I assume it might be Hopper, but apparently Whitfield might also be available.
Who knows. But with Balme in the fold, I feel confident that we will have some recovery plan in place.
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I'm still of the opinion that Dusty is a man of his word.
He said he won't make an announcement till the end of the season. I'm not sure why everybody is now expecting/wanting him to make one before the end of the season.
Still quietly confident although the last hail Mary form North has probably worried me a little for the first time.
Sorry Doc, but I just don't buy it that he hasn't made up his mind. Visiting his father to confer with him? What a wank, haven't they heard of telephones. I reckon this is all about screwing which ever club he is playing at for as money as possible so Ralphy can be an attractive option for other players to have as a manager.
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I'm still of the opinion that Dusty is a man of his word.
He said he won't make an announcement till the end of the season. I'm not sure why everybody is now expecting/wanting him to make one before the end of the season.
Still quietly confident although the last hail Mary form North has probably worried me a little for the first time.
Sorry Doc, but I just don't buy it that he hasn't made up his mind. Visiting his father to confer with him? What a wank, haven't they heard of telephones. I reckon this is all about screwing which ever club he is playing at for as money as possible so Ralphy can be an attractive option for other players to have as a manager.
Dusty always visits his father when there is a bye. Has he actually told anyone that he is going to see him to discuss his contract? I haven't heard anything form the man himself.
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I'm still of the opinion that Dusty is a man of his word.
He said he won't make an announcement till the end of the season. I'm not sure why everybody is now expecting/wanting him to make one before the end of the season.
Still quietly confident although the last hail Mary form North has probably worried me a little for the first time.
Sorry Doc, but I just don't buy it that he hasn't made up his mind. Visiting his father to confer with him? What a wank, haven't they heard of telephones. I reckon this is all about screwing which ever club he is playing at for as money as possible so Ralphy can be an attractive option for other players to have as a manager.
Dusty always visits his father when there is a bye. Has he actually told anyone that he is going to see him to discuss his contract? I haven't heard anything form the man himself.
That's a good point but I believe in the theory of when there's smoke, there's fire. It's just a matter of how big the fire is.
The other thing is the clubs language around this has changed significantly from "we are comfortable with this" to " I love him and always will regardless of what decision he makes" or words to that affect.
In my opinion he is gone and everyone bar the general public knows about it. Hope I am wrong.
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Thats a great point ^.
Hardwicks press conference yesterday smacked of that sentiment.
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I was reading the Twitter comments from Ricky Nixon. I must profess to finding it difficult to follow these types of conversation.
But it seemed that there might have been a suggestion, obviously unsubstantiated, that North had withdrawn their offer.
So to be honest, I am totally confused, but I am in the camp that says I wish the circus would end and we can just get on with things.
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I'm still of the opinion that Dusty is a man of his word.
He said he won't make an announcement till the end of the season. I'm not sure why everybody is now expecting/wanting him to make one before the end of the season.
Still quietly confident although the last hail Mary form North has probably worried me a little for the first time.
Sorry Doc, but I just don't buy it that he hasn't made up his mind. Visiting his father to confer with him? What a wank, haven't they heard of telephones. I reckon this is all about screwing which ever club he is playing at for as money as possible so Ralphy can be an attractive option for other players to have as a manager.
Dusty always visits his father when there is a bye. Has he actually told anyone that he is going to see him to discuss his contract? I haven't heard anything form the man himself.
Thats exactly right, and as i mentioned earlier, you dont have to be a rocket scientist to know Dusty is going to new zealand to see his dad during the break which has been on the cards since he went back to NZ ::) then the media add a bit of sauce to it claiming hes going to get his dads opinion on it and bang, the frenzy is on. A lot of people in here have been played by the media
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Starting to wonder if this is or will impact on the playing group.
Reckon if he is staying will announce before finals, give the group a big lift too.
If not the exact opposite :(
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Thats exactly right, and as i mentioned earlier, you dont have to be a rocket scientist to know Dusty is going to new zealand to see his dad during the break which has been on the cards since he went back to NZ ::) then the media add a bit of sauce to it claiming hes going to get his dads opinion on it and bang, the frenzy is on. He was always going to announce it next week, a lot of people in here have been played by the media
"Always going to announce it next week"? I thought they orginally said the end of the season. Last time I checked our season doesn't end tomorrow, so why announce anything next week?
And if he decides to take the money and run do you think announcing it next week which is what you are suggesting is going to happen is the right thing to do by the RFC a week out from finals?
As i said yes media are in a frenzy over this but this frenzy has also been created and feed by Dusty's team (read the Merkin) that as they say is a fact.
I will ask again who do people think told CH7 that Dusty was heading to NZ next week? It wasn't the club. It wasnt Dusty. So that doesnt exactly leave a plethora of options.
I hope he stays, i really do but just can't seeing it happening now. Lack of action by the one person who can end it is speaking louder than any words
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Someone called his old man 'Damir' which I think is pretty apt.
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Thats exactly right, and as i mentioned earlier, you dont have to be a rocket scientist to know Dusty is going to new zealand to see his dad during the break which has been on the cards since he went back to NZ ::) then the media add a bit of sauce to it claiming hes going to get his dads opinion on it and bang, the frenzy is on. He was always going to announce it next week, a lot of people in here have been played by the media
"Always going to announce it next week"? I thought they orginally said the end of the season. Last time I checked our season doesn't end tomorrow, so why announce anything next week?
And if he decides to take the money and run do you think announcing it next week which is what you are suggesting is going to happen is the right thing to do by the RFC a week out from finals?
As i said yes media are in a frenzy over this but this frenzy has also been created and feed by Dusty's team (read the Merkin) that as they say is a fact.
I will ask again who do people think told CH7 that Dusty was heading to NZ next week? It wasn't the club. It wasnt Dusty. So that doesnt exactly leave a plethora of options.
I hope he stays, i really do but just can't seeing it happening now. Lack of action by the one person who can end it is speaking louder than any words
I edited my post at 1:43, interesting... the reason I edited it was for the very reason you posted nevertheless.. I have been told 3 weeks ago that the deal was done and it would be announced at the end of the H&A season ie next week. If it's not announced next week then we all know he's gone and I'll wear it if I'm wrong.
I will ask again, is it really that hard to work out that he was going to NZ next week? Did the merkin have to leak it? You don't think there are journalists out there that could've worked it out, hell, we're not in the game and knew he goes to see his dad in NZ at every opportunity which includes bye weeks... so not sure why you think a massive piece of dirty work has been committed here by the merkin, think there is a bit of an overreaction going on
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http://imgur.com/a/lYlOC
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I tend to agree with the DOC and TM on this subject. Be surprised if he leaves.
Question...
If anyone here were a player from the midfield group at Richmond what would be your position or how would you feel if you knew he'd stay for 1.5 m / season?
Would you be happy or peeed off or would you be ok knowing if he's in the team it's your best chance at a premiership but also know that your next contract will be less if he stays for that amount of money and not less?
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Brownlow Medal favourite Dustin Martin will spend time next week in New Zealand visiting his father during the bye week. It's expected he will discuss whether to remain a Tiger or accept the riches on offer elsewhere once the season is done.
Should he accept the Tigers' seven-year offer worth about $8 million, he could announce that as early as next week, as his manager Ralph Carr told Fairfax Media. However, North Melbourne has tabled a $10 million deal, with the Roos desperate to land either the Tigers' star or Greater Western Sydney's Josh Kelly.
Martin will return in time to Punt Rd to rejoin full training before the opening week of the finals.
Former Richmond assistant coach David King said should Martin leave the Tigers would have "their whole build ripped out".
King said Martin was "entitled to make as much money as he likes, because they are only in it for an average of seven years" but said it would be "destroying" for a club.
Source: The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/danny-frawley-questions-whether-richmonds-forward-structure-can-handle-finals-pressure-20170826-gy4rwp.html)
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Dustin Martin could make decision on his future this week after flying to New Zealand
STEPHEN DRILL,
Herald Sun
27 August 2017
RICHMOND is under pressure to increase its offer to Dustin Martin, with the gun midfielder to decide his football future as early as Monday.
The Sunday Herald Sun has confirmed that Martin will arrive in New Zealand on Monday.
He will meet his father Shane in Auckland where they will discuss his contract deal along with manager Ralph Carr.
Martin has been made aware he only has one chance to sign a deal that could set him up for a lifetime and must maximise his payday.
“The ball is in Richmond’s court,” a source said.
It’s understood no decision has been made yet and Martin will be choosing between a $1.5m deal at North Melbourne or $1.1 million a year at Richmond, which it has refused to increase.
Both deals are over seven years so Martin would have to give up $2.8 million to stay with the Tigers.
It’s possible a decision could be announced this week, which would likely keep him at Richmond.
A delay until after the finals likely means Martin will be wearing blue and white stripes next year.
But despite the threat of Martin leaving, a club insider who asked not to be named said he was confident Martin would stay.
“The bigger picture will come into play and the dollars and cents of the two contracts won’t matter,” the insider said.
“If he’s a Brownlow Medallist at Richmond he’ll make a quarter of that up this year — 20 years into the future that’s going to be worth so much more.”
Dustin’s father Shane has been forced to watch all his son’s games on TV after he was deported because of his alleged links to the Rebels motorcycle club.
Richmond legend Francis Bourke said that Martin had every right to make the best choice possible for himself.
He said that Richmond’s best chance of keeping Martin was to play good football.
“As far as I’m concerned, I hope he stays. You would argue that your instincts would be sated by being in a successful organisation,” he said.
Bourke who was in Richmond’s 1967 premiership, which was the first flag since World War Two, said this crop of Tigers were on the verge of something special.
“They’ve got a chance to put themselves in a unique position. That’s what football is all about,” he said.
Martin will line up in a must win match for the Tigers against St Kilda on Sunday at the MCG.
If Richmond wins it would seal a top-four berth and a double chance in the finals.
Richmond cheersquad chairman Gerard Egan said that while he desperately wanted Martin to stay on, he hoped the gun would do “whatever made him happy.”
“It’s a lot of money North are offering. But Richmond has more to offer,” he said.
“We play at the MCG in front of 60,000 people on a regular basis, we’re not selling games to Tasmania and playing in front of 15,000 regularly,” he said.
“If North pay Dusty $1.5m a year what’s that do to the rest of the playing list. Dusty can do so much, but if there’s nothing around him. You can’t do it all by yourself.”
Richmond declined to comment.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-could-make-decision-on-his-future-this-week-after-flying-to-new-zealand/news-story/4b35b081e52a82114bde38329236bb21
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From Tony Sheahen's twitter page:
"Latest oil is Dusty wants to stay a Tiger, his Dad wants to listen to North Melbourne"
I wonder if Old Man Dusty is earning a quid or relying on young bloke Dusty to provide for him?
Sums up a lot of my suspicions.
So Dusty wants to stay ::)
If that's the case there is no need for Dad to listen to anything else
Only person he should be listening to is his son
And as for his son, stand up and tell your Dad & moronic manager that YOU have DECIDED and end this circus now
What a crock
Is the old man a bit like Damir Dokic or Tomics old man.
Seems like it.
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From Tony Sheahen's twitter page:
"Latest oil is Dusty wants to stay a Tiger, his Dad wants to listen to North Melbourne"
I wonder if Old Man Dusty is earning a quid or relying on young bloke Dusty to provide for him?
Sums up a lot of my suspicions.
So Dusty wants to stay ::)
If that's the case there is no need for Dad to listen to anything else
Only person he should be listening to is his son
And as for his son, stand up and tell your Dad & moronic manager that YOU have DECIDED and end this circus now
What a crock
Is the old man a bit like Damir Dokic or Tomics old man.
Seems like it.
Or maybe he is just like any father worth his salt who wants to make sure that his son has all the information on which to base a decision which will greatly affect his future.
I am not convinced that Dusty's old man has anything but the best intentions for his son when decision time comes.
If I was in Dusty's position and asked my father for his advice, the first thing he would tell me is to make sure I had all the facts before I considered anything.
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From Tony Sheahen's twitter page:
"Latest oil is Dusty wants to stay a Tiger, his Dad wants to listen to North Melbourne"
I wonder if Old Man Dusty is earning a quid or relying on young bloke Dusty to provide for him?
Sums up a lot of my suspicions.
So Dusty wants to stay ::)
If that's the case there is no need for Dad to listen to anything else
Only person he should be listening to is his son
And as for his son, stand up and tell your Dad & moronic manager that YOU have DECIDED and end this circus now
What a crock
Is the old man a bit like Damir Dokic or Tomics old man.
Seems like it.
Or maybe he is just like any father worth his salt who wants to make sure that his son has all the information on which to base a decision which will greatly affect his future.
I am not convinced that Dusty's old man has anything but the best intentions for his son when decision time comes.
If I was in Dusty's position and asked my father for his advice, the first thing he would tell me is to make sure I had all the facts before I considered anything.
Well said Slipper.
As a parent you only have your child's best interest at heart, so if it is true that Dusty is going across to have a chat to his dad about it, good on him. I'm tipping his old man is the only person in this world that is thinking about his son wholly with this decision.
But to be totally honest I think Dusty is just going over to see his old man, the rest is all just media poo.
And I think it says a lot about Dusty as a person that he loves and cares for his dad like he obviously does. There are a lot of kids Dusty's age that couldn't give a poo about anything or anyone.
Dusty will make the right decision for Dusty and as much as that might haunt us all I'm happy with that.
The kid has been nothing but an absolute star for this club and he deserves everything he can get from footy as it doesn't last long.
In saying all that I think 100% he will stay a Tiger.
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Great post BT :clapping
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Fun Fact for Dusty and his dad to consider.
#Norf are a minnow club and are know as the gypsy club of the AFL.
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Fun Fact for Dusty and his dad to consider.
#Norf are a minnow club and are know as the gypsy club of the AFL.
Fun fact...
I hate North more than most but the facts are they have won two premierships in the last 20 years and we haven't won one for 37.
And wasn't it North that beat us in our last finals game?
We may have 70K members but that doesn't make us anything more than just a well supported club. We have been the minnows on field in my lifetime.
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Taking off my Yellow & Black glasses and draining my blood for a second.
We are the laughing stock of the comp the last 40 years - Time to change all that!
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Fun Fact for Dusty and his dad to consider.
#Norf are a minnow club and are know as the gypsy club of the AFL.
Fun Fact #2
Norf will be playing 8 home games in Tasmania when the deal with Hawks expires in a few years
Fun Fact #3
There is audio of Dusty describing playing in Tassie as 5h1te
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Caro has echoed my sentiments, which are that leaving for $2-2.5 million over 7 years is silly.
He will lose 45% of it to tax, and after paying manager commissions etc will probably see half of it at best. It's a lot of money to us, but honestly what's $150,000/year extra to a guy making a 7-figure salary? Is he going to leave his mates and become the next Gary Ablett playing for a dogsh!t club for those peanuts? I don't think so.
And I also genuinely don't believe either Carr or Shane are pushing him to take the money at North. I think they want Dusty to be happy but also extract as much money as possible from RFC. I don't think they want him to take the highest offer and end up unhappy.
They have no reason to make a decision now. Dusty is playing great football and I think they are drawing it out as long as possible to see if RFC might up their offer to say $9 million for 7 years.
Would be shattered if he left, thrilled if he stays. But if he leaves I think he will request a trade so that RFC is compensated for his loss. I don't think he's a money-hungry dog that would screw the club and his friends over.
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Talking to parents of a RFC player at the VFL just now and they said that none of the players have any idea as to what Dusty's decision is.
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I am actually starting to feel a little more confident he will stay.
No idea why, just the old gut feel. Could also be cholera.......
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Heard a whisper that he'll announce he's signing with us on Tuesday.
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Just on this, do you think our playing group will perform better knowing he has signed or if he stays unsigned..
I get the feeling that if he signs there will be a collective mental sigh of relief that hes staying..
I would hate to think any comfort would slip back in when we are so close
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Stevo over there reporting every minute of every day for 7.
FFS hate that smug dick.
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Stevo over there reporting every minute of every day for 7.
FFS hate that smug dick.
same
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Dustin Martin contract in Auckland with Shane Martin: Richmond deal
Herald Sun
28 August 2017
DUSTIN Martin has arrived in Auckland for contract talks with his father Shane and his manager Ralph Carr.
Yesterday the Sunday Herald Sun confirmed Martin would depart Melbourne after Richmond’s game against St Kilda to talk over his options.
The pressure is on Richmond to increase its offer with Martin understood to be choosing between a $1.5m deal at North Melbourne or $1.1 million a year at Tigers.
Both deals are over seven years so Martin would have to give up $2.8 million to stay with the Tigers.
It’s possible a decision could be announced this week, which would likely keep him at Richmond.
Throughout the season, Richmond has allowed Martin the time to visit his father who was deported for his links to the Rebels motorcycle gang.
He was flown to New Zealand by the Government in April, 2016, after Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said he failed to meet the minimum character requirements to remain in Australia.
Any delay on a decision until after the finals likely means Martin will be wearing blue and white stripes next year.
But despite the threat of Martin leaving, a club insider who asked not to be named said he was confident Martin would stay.
“The bigger picture will come into play and the dollars and cents of the two contracts won’t matter,” the insider said.
“If he’s a Brownlow Medallist at Richmond he’ll make a quarter of that up this year — 20 years into the future that’s going to be worth so much more.”
Dustin’s father Shane has been forced to watch all his son’s games on TV after he was deported because of his alleged links to the Rebels motorcycle club.
Richmond legend Francis Bourke said that Martin had every right to make the best choice possible for himself.
He said that Richmond’s best chance of keeping Martin was to play good football.
“As far as I’m concerned, I hope he stays. You would argue that your instincts would be sated by being in a successful organisation,” he said.
Bourke who was in Richmond’s 1967 premiership, which was the first flag since World War Two, said this crop of Tigers were on the verge of something special.
“They’ve got a chance to put themselves in a unique position. That’s what football is all about,” he said.
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/5a3850e385136f70d4bab023076af8ec?width=650)
Dustin Martin arrives at Auckland Airport with his manager today
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-arrives-in-new-zealand-to-discuss-future-plans-with-father-shane/news-story/0ac4ce5724db77ad264defc961c2211e
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blobbo finally talking some sense. I am pretty confident he wont be going to go to the gypsy kings.
Mark Robinson said Martin had to decide what he wanted from his football career, but believed he owed the club.
“Does he spend eight years building to this very point where Richmond have got a double chance and they’re having a home final (in front of) 90,000 (at the) MCG?” Robbo said.
“Or does he go to North Melbourne for an extra $2.8 million over seven years and then start another five-six year build?
“What that football club has done for him — and I know he’s given back a lot in the way he’s performed, especially this year and last year — but what that football club has done for him, you can’t put a monetary value on that.
“And if you want to, I’d say ‘righto, it’s worth $2.8 million’.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/superfooty-podcast-how-dustin-martins-decision-could-impact-richmonds-finals-series/news-story/5cfd5cefb6ff65d91ffc38ffdc545cd7
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If Martin stays with us I will be absolutely amazed.
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It's been reported that he is meeting with the North leadership group over there. That can't be good if true.
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The chopstick affair was 50 odd pages of drivel on OER, and nothing came of that.
It would be hard to turn down 2.8 nett 1.4 over 7 years and all said and done one club players, brownlows its all dribble, when you stop playing it is over, club loyalty means nothing these days.
The simple fact is pay up RFC or Dusty will go.
I would.
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Gawn.
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The chopstick affair was 50 odd pages of drivel on OER, and nothing came of that.
The last contract renewal for Dusty would have rivalled that plus there were people breaking down over him leaving
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It's been reported that he is meeting with the North leadership group over there. That can't be good if true.
heard that also. If true he is just about gone isnt he?
if he can deliver a flag on the way out all good, if not stuff the mercenary and hope they bury his head in the turf next year.
I still cant imagine that happening. I mean who is going to meet andrew swallow? please
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Ralph prepping Dusty for the meeting with Ziebel and Scott:
"Now Dusty, for gods sake when they ask you who you look up to DONT mention anyone at the RFC, that really cost us last time"
"Right you are Merk"
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B.S "So, Dusty, who would you say you look to for guidance in a football sense"
D.M " Well err... probably um... Dan Connors, Tyrone Vickery"
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Can we still force a trade even though we cannot/will not match the offer
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Hopefully he leaves then this forum can return to its former glory :shh
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Can we still force a trade even though we cannot/will not match the offer
If it was Martins condition of joining the roos and the roos agreed, then yes, it could be a Dangerfield type scenario. But given Dusty's manager i give that about a 10% chance of hapoening.
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Can we still force a trade even though we cannot/will not match the offer
If it was Martins condition of joining the roos and the roos agreed, then yes, it could be a Dangerfield type scenario. But given Dusty's manager i give that about a 1.0% chance of hapoening.
EFA
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Can we still force a trade even though we cannot/will not match the offer
If it was Martins condition of joining the roos and the roos agreed, then yes, it could be a Dangerfield type scenario. But given Dusty's manager i give that about a 0.0000001% chance of happening.
EFA
EFA
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Dustin Martin contract: Richmond greats, fans say show Dusty the money
PETER ROLFE
Herald Sun
29 August 2017
RICHMOND royalty and Tiger tragics have urged club chiefs to show Dustin Martin the money as the race to re-sign the Brownlow Medal favourite hits fever pitch.
Martin spent Monday holed up in a high-rise luxury hotel in Auckland with his dad, Shane Martin, and his manager, Ralph Carr, as calls from Richmond fans grew for the club to match a rival offer from North Melbourne.
Martin flew to New Zealand to meet his dad and weigh up his future, with discussions continuing late last night as fans and Richmond greats called on the Tigers to find the funds to keep him at Punt Rd.
North Melbourne has put a $1.5 million-a-year, seven-year deal on the table.
Richmond is under enormous pressure to match the pot of gold that would make him the richest player in the AFL.
Richmond cheer squad president Gerard Egan said it was difficult to place a price on success. “It’s big money in today’s terms but towards the end of the contract, it might not be,’’ he said.
Richmond great Dale Weightman had a “confident feeling’’ Martin would re-sign.
“Whatever he gets, he’s worth every bit of it,’’ he said.
Supporters, former players and industry experts alike say the Brownlow Medal favourite could be worth even more than what he has been offered as he propels Richmond toward its first flag since 1980.
Five-time Richmond premiership player Francis Bourke said Martin’s form warranted a pay rise but hoped the star’s decision was not all about cash.
“Given the salary cap is being extended, amounts that might have previously been seen as large can subsequently be seen as worth it or even good value in the long run,’’ he said. “Dusty’s services would warrant a premium and justifiably. I hope other things other than money come into consideration.’’
Under the current offers, Martin would be forced to choose between a $1.5 million deal at the Kangaroos or $1.1 million a year at Tigerland, both over seven years.
That would mean Martin would have to give up $2.8 million to stay with the Tigers where his legacy could be aided by a likely Brownlow Medal and premiership.
AFL player agent Peter Jess said Richmond and the Roos would both make returns on their investment on and off-the field through merchandise, membership and image rights.
“If you look at it purely as a value proposition, at $1.5 million in my view he’s a cheap buy,’’ he said.
Martin arrived in Auckland about 12.30pm local time, strolling through the airport wearing headphones before being met by his dad and being whisked away.
It is understood discussions continued last night after dinner with Martin’s team hopeful Richmond would increase its offer before the start of the finals series.
But Martin’s New Zealand trip will be a whirlwind visit: he is due to attend the All Australian event in Melbourne tomorrow.
The midfielder was yesterday named in the All-Australian squad, installed a raging $1.12 Brownlow favourite with the TAB and was best-on-ground in Sunday’s win against St Kilda.
Tigers legend Kevin Bartlett said the club should make him a “fair and reasonable’’ offer but prepared to say goodbye if he wanted more.
“If it’s just about money and other clubs keep offering more ... at some stage, you’ve got to shake his hand and wish him all the best,’’ he said.
Dual Richmond premiership player David Cloke said opposition clubs had to offer “extraordinary money’’ to lure stars and Martin had every right to cash in at the peak of his powers.
“It’s a business these days so he’s got to treat it that way,’’ he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/richmond-greats-fans-urge-club-chiefs-to-show-dustin-martin-the-money/news-story/b841283949b9d0439e1fcbef14119e88
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http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/list/the-rover-richmonds-plan-b-should-dusty-fall-through-afl-australian-football-league-dustin-martin-josh-kelly-richmond-tigers/q0pxvtlhopbi1aa75xp4hej8z/slide/1
:shh
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Can we still force a trade even though we cannot/will not match the offer
If it was Martins condition of joining the roos and the roos agreed, then yes, it could be a Dangerfield type scenario. But given Dusty's manager i give that about a 0.0000001% chance of happening.
EFA
EFA
This
The club has plans in place
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http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/list/the-rover-richmonds-plan-b-should-dusty-fall-through-afl-australian-football-league-dustin-martin-josh-kelly-richmond-tigers/q0pxvtlhopbi1aa75xp4hej8z/slide/1
:shh
Like it a lot.
Re Rolfe's article: Couldn't disagree more. How can the club seriously pursue a flag (assuming we don't win it this year) if all other other champions have more or less taken unders to keep the list together and then one guy holds out for the max the club can afford. Doesn't fit for mine. If he doesn't want to take the 1.1 a year with us, think he's gotta go elsewhere.
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Love the bloke and gives all etc, but if true he is meeting another club during our finals campaign bit unprofessional poor management simple as that, very poor look and imagine playing group.
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http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/list/the-rover-richmonds-plan-b-should-dusty-fall-through-afl-australian-football-league-dustin-martin-josh-kelly-richmond-tigers/q0pxvtlhopbi1aa75xp4hej8z/slide/1
:shh
Why not have both??
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It's been reported that he is meeting with the North leadership group over there. That can't be good if true.
Its been reported but do we know if its true or just another piece of Media rubbish they make up. I mean how do we even know what the exact offers are, one person reports that its $1.5 million with North and then everybody reports it as a fact. Is there anywhere that somebody from North , Dusty or his manager has confirmed that deal? (I will be gladly be corrected) The only thing we do know for sure that its 7 years as the manager confirmed that yesterday.
My contempt for the media passes my hatred for Collingwood and that's saying something
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Just makes you wonder how the AFL allows them to pay a player 1.5 mill a season.This is a club that gets handouts $$$$ year after year roos for how long or else they would be gone and continue to be on life support. That is poor management from both parties.
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Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin insists he isn't worried as Dustin Martin considers his future
LAUREN WOOD,
Herald Sun
29 August 2017
RICHMOND skipper Trent Cotchin isn’t spooked by his close friend Dustin Martin’s New Zealand jaunt.
Martin, 26, is currently in Auckland with his manager Ralph Carr to visit his father, Shane, and to consider his playing future.
But Cotchin — who considers the star midfielder one of his closest friends — has maintained that he is not rattled by the fact that Martin remains uncommitted, or that he has travelled abroad to consider his options.
“I’m not worried,” Cotchin told the Herald Sun.
“It is what it is. As I’ve said in media, to him, and to others ... the reality is that he’s a contracted player until October at the Richmond footy club.
“I’m just enjoying being part of his show this year. It’s been an impressive one to watch and I’m really proud of the way he’s been so resilient with so much being spoken about, but also his ability to do the work that he does behind closed doors and then come out and perform on weekends.”
Martin today firmed to be the shortest-priced Brownlow Medal favourite ever, coming in from $1.20 to $1.12 with TAB following Sunday’s electric performance against St Kilda.
He has maintained all year that he would consider his contract at season’s end.
Martin’s final quarter goal against St Kilda on Sunday as the Tigers romped to a 44-point victory raised the Tiger faithful to a new level, and even Cotchin said he has been impressed by his friend’s ability to produce the sublime this season.
“The last quarter (on Sunday), in the first five minutes — there was a number of guys that did amazing things,” he said.
“But the cream does rise to the top and there’s been plenty of cream (from Dustin) this year.”
Richmond has offered the star — who will become a restricted free agent at the end of the season — a seven-year deal in the vicinity of $1.1 million per season, while North Melbourne has reportedly brought a seven-year, $1.5 million per year deal to the table.
Martin is expected to return to Melbourne before tomorrow night’s All-Australian team announcement function.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-skipper-trent-cotchin-insists-he-isnt-worried-as-dustin-martin-considers-his-future/news-story/442f053072ec03c9a3c6eb80258d4bc9
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Just makes you wonder how the AFL allows them to pay a player 1.5 mill a season.This is a club that gets handouts $$$$ year after year roos for how long or else they would be gone and continue to be on life support. That is poor management from both parties.
Easily, all clubs have a salary cap and must pay a minimum % of it. Who a club gives it to is of no concern to the AFL and TBH nor it should be
Further to that the AFL is funding the 2018 increase in salary cap for all clubs via their yearly AFL dividend payment
So as I said = easily
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Just makes you wonder how the AFL allows them to pay a player 1.5 mill a season.This is a club that gets handouts $$$$ year after year roos for how long or else they would be gone and continue to be on life support. That is poor management from both parties.
The AFL has in part created this problem. They insist each club spend a minimum % of their TPP.
North has opened up salary cap space with the retirement of several high paid players over the last two years and on top of this the TPP is increasing by about $2million.
North have an accounting problem.
They do not have enough or any players that deserve mega $ contracts. So their first plan was to get Kelly and Martin to the club on big contracts. Since Kelly has said no then they have doubled down on Martin.
Given the accounting problem they have now I expect the contract is heavily front ended with the first year or two in excess of $2million. Martin's contact $s would then progressively decrease over the 7 year contract and North would be planning for some of their kids to step up and be paid higher $ contracts.
It is this heavily front ended part that has Martin in two minds. Richmond would not be able to match these terms.
Just my take on it.
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This is friggen torturous. The only lowlight in a marvelous season.
Im mentally preparing myself for bad news . There was a rumor on BF that there will be a exclusive announcement on the footy show this Thursday- and that Dusty was staying . Smells like BS - not Dustys style.
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This is friggen torturous. The only lowlight in a marvelous season.
Im mentally preparing myself for bad news . There was a rumor on BF that there will be a exclusive announcement on the footy show this Thursday- and that Dusty was staying . Smells like BS - not Dustys style.
Why can't we just have a season without some sort of drama or controvery ?
If this does get announced on the footy show then this truly is/was a circus and was always designed to be one.
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So Dusty wants to stay and has to get around the od fella, Huh.
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This is friggen torturous. The only lowlight in a marvelous season.
Im mentally preparing myself for bad news . There was a rumor on BF that there will be a exclusive announcement on the footy show this Thursday- and that Dusty was staying . Smells like BS - not Dustys style.
Why can't we just have a season without some sort of drama or controvery ?
If this does get announced on the footy show then this truly is/was a circus and was always designed to be one.
Wouldn't be surprised
I'm sure I read in one of the many articles over the weekend that he's supposedly signed to do some sort of exclusive TV deal
Was it in Caro's article or Jon Ralph's? Can't remember and can't be stuffed looking
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Dusty deal is done.
Bookmark it. ;D
:shh
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Dusty deal is done.
Bookmark it. ;D
:shh
I check that bookmark frequently. :rollin
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-to-north-28-8-17-dm-in-nz-to-speak-with-his-father-about-10-5m-7y-offer-from-nm.1160008/page-339
Bottom of this page appears positive.
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Hate to tell ya but......
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Tim Watson reporting on Channel 7 that Dusty is on his way home and 2 new clubs have emerged in the hunt for dusty...
Coming up soon.
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Tim Watson reporting on Channel 7 that Dusty is on his way home and 2 new clubs have emerged in the hunt for dusty...
Coming up soon.
Syd and St Kilda and Hawthoen an Geeling and ......
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http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/list/the-rover-richmonds-plan-b-should-dusty-fall-through-afl-australian-football-league-dustin-martin-josh-kelly-richmond-tigers/q0pxvtlhopbi1aa75xp4hej8z/slide/1
:shh
I'd rather have Dusty......
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Tim Watson reporting on Channel 7 that Dusty is on his way home and 2 new clubs have emerged in the hunt for dusty...
Coming up soon.
Syd and St Kilda and Hawthoen an Geeling and ......
Ive always thought Sydney have been inquiring about his services and slipped under the radar, st Kilda has been mentioned before.
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This bloke is all over the place like mad woman's poo but....
https://twitter.com/tonysheahan/status/902431472287588352
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Dusty deal is done.
Bookmark it. ;D
:shh
Dusty is re-signing?
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What would you all tell YOUR son to do ?
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What would you all tell YOUR son to do ?
To be honest, whatever makes you happy.
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What would you all tell YOUR son to do ?
If I were Shane Martin I would be pretty thankful the club president put a roof over his sons head and welcomed him into his family. 9
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Well twitter is all flutter :lol
Dusty back in Melbourne
From Tom Browne:
#breaking ralph carr has just told @7NewsMelbourne Dustin martin will make a decision by the end of the week.He 'hopes' they'll announce it
7:54 PM - 29 Aug 2017
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/902469447025278976
Tom Browne also tweeted that Dusty was picked up from the airport by some of Shane Martin's "friends"
"Dusty had a bit of hired help too in the security department. I'd suggest his dad's mates! All very orderly. Valuable commodity!"
7:57 PM - 29 Aug 2017
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/902470205476970496
from Jon Ralph:
Nine won't confirm/deny if Dusty's going on Footy Show in a paid interview. Pre-finals interview could only be good for RFC but we will see
8:03 PM - 29 Aug 2017
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/902471881126625280
Mike's son Tony telling tiger fans to sleep easy
As I said it is all flutter :lol
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Dustin seen strolling into Punt Rd this evening after his flight home.
Everyone seen popping bottles. :shh
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Dustin seen strolling into Punt Rd this evening after his flight home.
Everyone seen popping bottles. :shh
excellent
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You Liddle Pissa
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You're welcome
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Everyone has had good mail. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Everyone has had good mail. I'll believe it when I see it.
Sorry to be a pessimist, but I agree.
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Dustin seen strolling into Punt Rd this evening after his flight home.
Everyone seen popping bottles. :shh
Really?
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Everyone has had good mail. I'll believe it when I see it.
Sorry to be a pessimist, but I agree.
No need for pessimism
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Everyone has had good mail. I'll believe it when I see it.
Sorry to be a pessimist, but I agree.
No need for pessimism
God I hope your mail is good HRT.
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Everyone has had good mail. I'll believe it when I see it.
No need to doubt me, I rarely talk it up on here, was finalised in principle 3 weeks ago.
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Don't mean to say anybody or their mail is poo, but been hearing so much "good mail is staying/gone :shh"
That's why I'm not believing anything until I see it, whatever it is.
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Everyone has had good mail. I'll believe it when I see it.
No need to doubt me, I rarely talk it up on here, was finalised in principle 3 weeks ago.
:thumbsup
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Sounds like he is re-signing ...
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Latest mail is ....
North have offered Martin their entire salary cap for the next 25 seasons.
Dusty still not going .
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Everyone has had good mail. I'll believe it when I see it.
No need to doubt me, I rarely talk it up on here, was finalised in principle 3 weeks ago.
Sounds like we have the same mail :thumbsup
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I don't know what we have more of here doctors or postmen
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I don't know what we have more of here doctors or postmen
Maybe they are obstetricians as they are then doctors AND do the deliveries.
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I don't know what we have more of here doctors or postmen
x 3
Club has been quiet about it since that mail had been delivered, also in most press conferences and interviews with key stake holders they have been very confident.
Your mail and put 2 and 2 together and you have a good read on things.
If you don't, well you must be blind freddy.
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Everyone has had good mail. I'll believe it when I see it.
No need to doubt me, I rarely talk it up on here, was finalised in principle 3 weeks ago.
Sounds like we have the same mail :thumbsup
I got told the same 3-4 weeks ago (when did we play GC? it was around then)
But approx 3 days to a week later after that I got told things changed
Hence why I've been referring to it as a circus.... ;D
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Everyone has had good mail. I'll believe it when I see it.
No need to doubt me, I rarely talk it up on here, was finalised in principle 3 weeks ago.
Sounds like we have the same mail :thumbsup
I got told the same 3-4 weeks ago (when did we play GC? it was around then)
But approx 3 days to a week later after that I got told things changed
Hence why I've been referring to it as a circus.... ;D
Same. My source was very confident a few weeks ago but less certain last week.
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Everyone has had good mail. I'll believe it when I see it.
No need to doubt me, I rarely talk it up on here, was finalised in principle 3 weeks ago.
Sounds like we have the same mail :thumbsup
I got told the same 3-4 weeks ago (when did we play GC? it was around then)
But approx 3 days to a week later after that I got told things changed
Hence why I've been referring to it as a circus.... ;D
Hence. Lol
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Is Dustin Martin staying at Richmond? Contract news, North Melbourne offer
Jay Clark,
Herald Sun
30 August 2017
DUSTIN Martin is back in Melbourne after his much-publicised trip to New Zealand where he and his manager Ralph Carr visited Martin’s father Shane to discuss his future.
Weighing up monster seven-year offers from the Tigers and North Melbourne, there is speculation that the Kangaroos’offer to the restricted free agent is worth $2.8 million more than what Richmond have tabled.
Carr has suggested an announcement will be made by the end of the week, with rumours circulating Martin will confirm his plans on the Footy Show on Thursday night.
As speculation continues, Jay Clark answers the burning questions:
What does it mean for Richmond if he stays?
It’s massive. If Martin stays it helps keep the Tigers in the premiership frame for the next few years at least or for as long as Trent Cotchin, Alex Rance and Jack Riewoldt are all in the primes of their careers.
Martin is clearly among the best three players in the competition and his impact in the forward half of the ground is immense because he kicks goals, breaks lines and sets up opponents.
While he is there, the Tigers are a chance in any game.
What does it mean if he leaves?
Richmond’s strategy on Martin has been excellent all along. The offer started at about $700,000 a year and is now up around $1.1 million a year. Richmond can’t offer Martin more than that without hampering the team in other areas.
The Tigers would be extremely silly to offer him more than $1.1 million and they won’t. He could go to North for more money ($1.5 million a year) but do the Roos have the player depth to go all the way relying so heavily on Martin?
Doubt it.
If he does go, the Tigers need not go all-out this year to replace him immediately. The more considered decision may be to use his money front-end some contracts this year and create some significant cap room for 12 months time when they can have a big go at Tom Lynch (Gold Coast) or GWS star Lachie Whitfield when they come out of contract at the end of 2018.
Compensation for Richmond also includes draft pick No. 17.
What about North if they miss out on Martin?
It’s a full-on rebuild that will ensure they remain in the lower part of the ladder for the next two or three years.
Look to trade Todd Goldstein and get as many top-20 picks as they can for another shot at a top four spot from 2020 onwards. Hard yards until then.
It sounds like Josh Kelly is also staying at the Giants for another two years.
They need elite youth.
Could another club swoop in?
No. Dusty won’t consider going interstate and that’s obvious. It’s Richmond or North, they’re his options.
Is Martin worth the money?
He is worth $1.1 million to Richmond and not more.
The Tigers are being responsible here. If they pay him more they are a chance to lose other important players. They know that and are offering Martin a fair and reasonable pile of cash.
If he stays at Punt Rd, he will have potential to earn a stack of dough on the side with marketing and business ventures. If he’s smart about it.
Dustin Martin arrives back from New Zealand at Tullamarine International.
Is football now just about money?
No. Football is about winning premierships and enjoying fulfilling careers on and off the field. Money is a factor but on the whole players are very loyal and turn down more lucrative offers more regularly than is made public. Martin’s management has done a good job getting two great offers on the table for Martin. Ralph Carr won’t be popular with the Tiger fans but he’s achieved his goal, on face value. Martin’s form has been sublime all year. Now he’s getting a handsome amount to stay or go.
Why has the saga dragged on so long?
In a nutshell, it’s so Martin can get the best deal possible. The strategy has worked, albeit making Richmond very nervous at times.
Martin won’t give a damn about the public speculation. If anything it might have helped him achieve career-best form.
The fact that Richmond’s initial offer of $700,000 has steadily increased, will have added a significant amount of conversation and subsequently time. Pair that with other clubs joining the race, there’s been a fair amount of back-and-forth.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martins-contract-saga-what-happens-if-he-stays-at-richmond-what-happens-if-he-joins-north/news-story/58f6894a1ba2ccd2fe0424d6d4693a05
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Everyone seems to be convinced he's going to announce his decision on The Footy Show....what's the bet he's just on to collect the Lou Richards Medal and doesn't announce anything?
...also pretty sure the club announces these things, not the player or it least not the player by himself and outside the club surrounds......too many gullible liitle gen y wannabe seppo stuffheads who think it's like the NBA...
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Cotchin still in the dark over Dusty's future
afl.com.au
30 August 2017
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin remains in the dark about whether superstar midfielder Dustin Martin will re-sign with the Tigers after catching up with his teammate on Wednesday afternoon.
Martin returned from a visit to New Zealand on Tuesday night amid speculation he would reveal his decision in a paid prime-time television interview this week.
But Cotchin said the 26-year-old, who is set to be named All Australian for the second year running on Wednesday night, had not divulged his decision to him when the pair caught up in Melbourne suburb Southbank.
"No news for me, it was just a regular catch-up as we usually do," Cotchin said.
"He's back from New Zealand, I was in the area and he lives not too far away and we thought we'd get a coffee.
"It's hard to say (what he'll do). What I do know is he's contracted until October and we have an opportunity to do something special this year.
"I've enjoyed watching him play and being alongside him for the year."
Coach Damien Hardwick will meet with Martin for the first time since he returned from New Zealand tomorrow when players return to Punt Road Oval after a short break.
He said the Tigers had not put any pressure on Martin to return from New Zealand with a decision as he weighs up a more lucrative offer from North Melbourne.
"We didn't have the conversation as a footy club about that. As far as we were concerned it was a young man going to visit his father. That's all," the coach said.
"We didn't put any pressure on the decision, one way or the other, we've just let it run its course.
"We stated early on that we were happy with the way it was playing out, as were (manager) Ralph (Carr) and Dustin … we haven't put any pressure on."
Hardwick hoped the prospect of success in September would factor in Martin's decision, as well as the Tiger Army's standing ovation for the powerful midfielder last Sunday against St Kilda.
The coach said he was comfortable with the way contract negotiations had been handled by player manager Carr, who joined Martin in New Zealand as he visited his father Shane.
The prospect of Martin re-signing on the eve of the finals was exciting but not something that would alter the Tigers' preparations for a premiership assault that starts next Friday night against Geelong.
"Dustin has been fantastic for us for eight years and he'll continue to be fantastic for us as long as we go in this finals series," Hardwick said.
"If he signs, great. If he chooses not to, we deal with it and we move on.
"The fact of the matter is we've got a game to win next Friday night and that's purely our focus at the moment."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-30/cotchin-still-in-the-dark-over-dustys-future
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NORTH Melbourne is remaining tight-lipped on whether Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has indicated if he will accept its multimillion-dollar deal or remain at Punt Rd.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-30/north-stays-tightlipped-on-dusty-verdict
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Everyone seems to be convinced he's going to announce his decision on The Footy Show....what's the bet he's just on to collect the Lou Richards Medal and doesn't announce anything?
...also pretty sure the club announces these things, not the player or it least not the player by himself and outside the club surrounds......too many gullible liitle gen y wannabe seppo stuffheads who think it's like the NBA...
Won't happen on the Footy show, I can't see that at all.
This "meeting with Cotch" has me a little concerned. What would they wanna catch up about that they wouldn't already speak about at the club?
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I smell total BS with regards to that Cotchin article.
Of course he knows .
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The language they are using isn't convincing
"If he signs, great, if he doesn't we will move on"
"I've had a great year with him and we still have something special to achieve this year"
Absolute doomsday.... I won't survive this..
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I smell total BS with regards to that Cotchin article.
Of course he knows .
Yes, and so does North Melbourne and Richmond.
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(https://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2017/08/409371_69d5e76a1f3b89533d0771ecaca7faeb.JPG)
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Hmm....
Did you get that from bigfooty forums?
Edit; just checked and Lids was on this years.
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FWIW Gerard Healy just announced on 3AW that Martin had signed with Richmond at 1.25 mill p.a. but an official announcement would be made in the next 2 days
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Hmm....
Did you get that from bigfooty forums?
Edit; just checked and Lids was on this years.
Printed this year at a two for the price of one/Cuck admin discount.
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Dustin Martin contract saga close to end as an announcement is expected this week
MARK ROBINSON, JON RALPH, GLENN McFARLANE and LAUREN WOOD,
Herald Sun
August 30, 2017 7:45pm
TIGERS legend Ian Stewart has urged Dustin Martin to play for love rather than money as his contract circus draws to a close.
A final Skype session with father Shane on Wednesday night could finally pave the way for Martin to accept Richmond’s $7.7 million deal
Stewart implored Martin to stay at Richmond, stating: “It’s a lot easier to play for somebody who cares about you, than play for money”.
The Martin camp remains determined to announce his position by the end of the week after stretching Richmond’s patience.
That could see Martin announcing he will stay at Richmond as early as Thursday ahead of next Friday’s qualifying final against Geelong.
Martin on Wednesday met captain Trent Cotchin for coffee, was to be handed his second All-Australian trophy and squeezed in a Skype session.
But while he will have to sacrifice $2.8m to stay at Richmond, he is also aware of the potential for premiership success at Richmond.
The Martin camp maintains club other than North Melbourne are pursuing 26-year-old but it’s understood Sydney is not among them.
Triple Brownlow Medallist Stewart, who won his third medal at Richmond after moving from St Kilda, said on Wednesday Martin should remain at Punt Rd.
He said Martin would one day realise there was so much more to football than money.
“I’d like to see him stay at Richmond. He’s been good to them and they’ve been good to him,’’ he told the Herald Sun.
“He’s got a home. It’s a lot easier to play for somebody who cares about you, than play for money.
“When you look around, those faces who care about the club and care about you, they inspire you.
“The dollars don’t inspire you. You can’t play for money week in, week out. You can play for money occasionally, like when it’s the last game of the year and you need a new contract.’’
A Footy Show announcement with Eddie McGuire on Thursday night has not been confirmed but remains a live option.
Martin was expected to discuss his position with his father one more time on Skype either before or after the All-Australian awards.
The star free agent is aware that while a $10.5m North Melbourne offer is financially superior, there is more to his career than money.
He is aware that if he left he would also need to be comfortable in his workplace for the next seven years and at a club where he can thrive.
Cotchin and Martin met in a coffee shop across the road from Fox Footy before a Tigers press conference.
The Tigers skipper was guarded about the conversation with Martin, insisting it was simply a catch-up between mates on a day off.
He said he had “no news” about when his teammate would reveal his decision for 2018 and beyond.
“It was just a regular catch-up as we normally do,” he said. “He’s back from New Zealand, I was in the area, he lives not too far away and we got a coffee.
“It’s not a distraction ... I have been really proud of not only the way Dusty has handled himself, but also our playing group, our football club, the way they have managed it throughout this season.”
Richmond co-vice-captain Alex Rance had no update to offer on his teammate’s contract saga at the All-Australian awards, but joked that Wednesday night wouldn’t be the first time he would offer a quiet word to his fellow Tiger.
“I’ve been having a quiet word to him all year,” he laughed.
“Who wouldn’t want to have Dusty (on their team)?.”
Martin walked the red carpet alongside his teammate, but — as expected — bypassed waiting media at the Palais Theatre in St Kilda.
Rance credited Martin and the likes of also-uncontracted Crow Jake Lever in their ability to shrug off speculation and commentary about their futures to deliver top-level football.
“I think that’s the way the game’s going — it’s a very professional market and guys know what they’ve got to do to get themselves up,” Rance said.
“All the contractual stuff is outside noise.”
North Melbourne coach Brad Scott, re-signed until 2020 today, said he would not be distracted by whether Martin might come to the Roos.
“I don’t allow myself to think about those things. We’ve got people who are in charge of that side of the business,” he said.
Stewart is friends with Martin’s uncle and has spoken to Martin several times.
Asked if he had spoken to Martin about his $10 million contract offer: “No, he’s never asked me.
“I admire what he’s done and from where he’s grown, I admire him tremendously.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-contract-saga-close-to-end-as-an-announcement-is-expected-this-week/news-story/5559a5bf9d1ca0f937a9b50abc027bc0
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FWIW Gerard Healy just announced on 3AW that Martin had signed with Richmond at 1.25 mill p.a. but an official announcement would be made in the next 2 days
Really? Healy? Before he was at AA night?
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How about this......the deal was agreed to 3 weeks ago. The Club have paid the Merkin for the media show that has been on for the last 3 weeks fully knowing the media frenzy it generates. Free advertising for all our sponsors and not to mention the media saturation the club is enjoying leading up to the finals.....
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1. Fact he was staying 2 weeks a go
2. He got 2 offers too good not to give proper and serious consideration to
3. He has a final to play
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot/status/902769947180494848
Q. its possible club know & have thier own time they want to announce it if he is staying
No i think whats happened it in NZ all the facts where put to Shane & Dustin Martin by Ralph Carr and now Ralph will be ticking of boxes
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot/status/902838866788286464
Q. Is Hardwick and Cotchin telling Porkies that they don't know what is going on with Dusty?
Not porkies probably in same situation as me and that is what we know is not for the public to know until Dustin or Agent advise all parties
https://twitter.com/rickynixontoot/status/902835407259176960
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FWIW Gerard Healy just announced on 3AW that Martin had signed with Richmond at 1.25 mill p.a. but an official announcement would be made in the next 2 days
Really? Healy? Before he was at AA night?
https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/sportsday/id982902922?mt=2
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Dustin Martin circus threatening to roll out of control
Caroline Wilson
The Age
31 August 2017
The near certainty that Dustin Martin will remain at Richmond must surely become a formality this week before the circus that came to town rolls out of control.
Even allowing for Martin's unusual family circumstances and the symbiotic relationship with his maverick manager Ralph Carr, the turn of events as Richmond head towards a tantalising finals series is starting to look a little crazy.
The trip to New Zealand to see his father Shane was a given because of the pre-finals bye and no one was surprised that the media would glean the 26-year-old champion's flight details. And it was highly predictable that new last-minute interest from other clubs would publicly emerge.
But the men-in-black bodyguards and the man in the cap directing traffic from behind took the Martin saga to a new level. Surely even Carr would feel a little uncomfortable that coach Damien Hardwick and captain Trent Cotchin on Wednesday opened the Tigers' finals account in public terms and the only sound bites that made the news involved "The Decision".
Much has been made of how well Martin and the Tigers have handled his contractual stand-off. He is again wearing an All-Australian blazer, has never played better and is the hotter-than-hot Brownlow favourite. He has been mighty. And Richmond officials have demonstrated the patience of Jobe as Martin has tested the market.
Reluctant to speak privately let alone publicly for fear of influencing Martin's choice, one can only imagine how tough it has been at times to stay silent.
But it doesn't seem right that this story should punctuate the finals as it has the season. And Carr's indication that a decision would be made by the end of the week suggests it won't. The Martin camp would surely not make an announcement he was leaving Richmond on the eve of the finals.
Heavy speculation that the camp has sold his exclusive post-decision interview has escalated over recent days but at Channel Nine The Footy Show bosses late on Wednesday insisted they had no knowledge of such a deal. Surely in any event Martin would let his teammates know first.
Richmond football chief Neil Balme has publicly slammed the AFL during the season blaming head office for giving the green light to free agency and therefore setting up situations such as this one. You could also say this strange new bye has created opportunities for off-field sideshows like this Martin situation.
In the case of free agency it is true the clubs opposed it and were given no say in its introduction, only input into the accompanying procedures. The commission ticked it off without any meaningful consultation with its clubs.
But each individual case has set its own examples. Phil Davis told the truth and made Greater Western Sydney look foolish. Balme strode into Adelaide with his former colleagues Chris Scott, Joel Selwood and Jimmy Bartel to interview the soon-to-be out-of-contract Travis Boak and Boak ultimately stayed and was one pivotal cog in the about-turn for Port Adelaide. Gary Ablett went for money and opportunity and seems to have regretted it.
Patrick Dangerfield, like Martin, performed outstandingly for Adelaide in his final season and confided to his football boss before the finals he was leaving for lifestyle reasons. Lance Franklin's manager made it clear to Hawthorn that the champion would most likely leave and the pragmatic Hawks withdrew their new contract offer late in the season – winning the premiership along the way.
But nothing at Richmond suggests this will be Martin's final season and even though the money is massive from North and coach Brad Scott has recommitted you cannot imagine him or his leadership group that met Martin could have sold a future any brighter than the one that beckons at Tigerland. And the Tigers have sold a vision that money cannot buy but will prove ultimately profitable at the end of the day.
Despite commentary to the contrary, you wouldn't begrudge Martin should he negotiate a media deal to discuss his decision. But if he is staying at Richmond – and we predict he will – he must end the speculation before the weekend.
Richmond and Martin have travelled different roads but are now on a trajectory. And even allowing for his brilliance in 2017 and his significant role in his club's success it would be wrong to create a detour now, let alone an obstacle, given how far the club and its star player have come.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-martin-circus-threatening-to-roll-out-of-control-20170830-gy7imu.html
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This must be another porkie but is there a Press Conference today at 10:20am?
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Happening tonight
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Happening tonight
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Great article but it's only the media driving this frenzy which Caro is a part of. If they gave it a rest we would all be happy.
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Will it be on The Footy Show? :huh Hmmmm.
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Happening tonight
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Great article but it's only the media driving this frenzy which Caro is a part of. If they gave it a rest we would all be happy.
Hmm. She chimes when req. - she is a journo and head of theage football, aside from her strong connection to Richmond. I wouldn't say she's been a part of it. You didn't see her flying over to NZ for a 7 second interview...
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Great article but it's only the media driving this frenzy which Caro is a part of. If they gave it a rest we would all be happy.
Hmm. She chimes when req. - she is a journo and head of theage football, aside from her strong connection to Richmond. I wouldn't say she's been a part of it. You didn't see her flying over to NZ for a 7 second interview...
Agree. Caro didnt orchestrate the "security" at the airport tuesday night (bit of flop that was for Ralphy). She didnt follow him to NZ. She wasnt at the airport waiting for him to step through customs.
She's written 2 pieces about him in the last 3 weeks.
Good piece this one and Saturday's one by Caro
Made alot of sense
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Tony Sheahan on twitter has gone with "Dusty not on Footy Show tonight".
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan/status/903091693762748416
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Martin and Richmond officials meeting as we speak. Carr present, Hardwick, several others. #AFL #whispers
Channel 9 social media team are on standby. Footy Show lined up for the exclusive interview. Damian Barrett on standby. It's close #AFL
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper
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Probably the meeting with Norf did it. Imagine walking around that poohole of underfunded rubbish & thinking that's the only other option?
https://twitter.com/Crankie82/status/903075999557992448
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Martin and Richmond officials meeting as we speak. Carr present, Hardwick, several others. #AFL #whispers
Channel 9 social media team are on standby. Footy Show lined up for the exclusive interview. Damian Barrett on standby. It's close #AFL
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper
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Probably the meeting with Norf did it. Imagine walking around that poohole of underfunded rubbish & thinking that's the only other option?
https://twitter.com/Crankie82/status/903075999557992448
:snidegrin
Does that mean he is re-signing or leaving?
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Martin and Richmond officials meeting as we speak. Carr present, Hardwick, several others. #AFL #whispers
Channel 9 social media team are on standby. Footy Show lined up for the exclusive interview. Damian Barrett on standby. It's close #AFL
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper
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Probably the meeting with Norf did it. Imagine walking around that poohole of underfunded rubbish & thinking that's the only other option?
https://twitter.com/Crankie82/status/903075999557992448
:snidegrin
Does that mean he is re-signing or leaving?
No one knows until it is decided by a televised game of paper, scissors, rock.
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Yeh ok ;D
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https://twitter.com/tonysheahan/status/903119574882590720
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Tony Sheahan tweeting that Dusty won't appear (footy show), but announcement soon...
Mind you that was hour and a half ago... ::)
Who knows...
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Lol - and now saying has recorded interview to say he's staying :thumbsup
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Oh the drama (insert fainting emoji)
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Done deal according to SEN.
Brian Waldron ( who would never lie about salaries ;D) reckons it's 7 years by 1.3m.
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Done deal according to SEN.
Brian Waldron ( who would never lie about salaries ;D) reckons it's 7 years by 1.3m.
Then it about $1.15m for 7 years
He hasn't got much right lately has Brian :rollin
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If Fyfe is getting 6.5 million over six years - I believe the alleged offer to Dusty is fair enough.
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Done deal according to SEN.
Brian Waldron ( who would never lie about salaries ;D) reckons it's 7 years by 1.3m.
Then it about $1.15m for 7 years
He hasn't got much right lately has Brian :rollin
Pretty sure Waldron's problem isn't overstating player salaries......
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Damn...wanted Kelly....
so did I but not at the expense of a player that will always be better than him..
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Damn I'd decided to save that gag for when it was actually confirmed....
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Done deal according to SEN.
Brian Waldron ( who would never lie about salaries ;D) reckons it's 7 years by 1.3m.
Then it about $1.15m for 7 years
He hasn't got much right lately has Brian :rollin
Pretty sure Waldron's problem isn't overstating player salaries......
:lol :lol :lol
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Why is he not training....
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Why is he not training....
Strained his biceps picking up the cash. :shh
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Done deal according to SEN.
Brian Waldron ( who would never lie about salaries ;D) reckons it's 7 years by 1.3m.
Waldron: Dusty deal done
By SEN
31 August 2017
Dustin Martin has made a decision on his future, according to Brian Waldron.
The former St Kilda chief executive is reporting the Brownlow Medal favourite has re-signed with Richmond for 1.3 million dollars over seven years. It is expected he will make the news official on The Footy Show tonight.
Martin had been offered a big money offer from North Melbourne. He was in New Zealand earlier this week discussing his contract options with his father, Shane, and manager Ralph Carr.
“All Richmond fans would be thrilled,” two-time premiership player David King told SEN’s The Run Home.
“They wouldn’t care what the figures are, the cap is the cap. If they’re under that, fantastic. Now is their time.”
Martin averaged 30.3 disposals, 537.8 metres gained, 14.2 contested possessions, 8.7 score involvements and 6.6 clearances throughout the home-and-away season. He was named in the 2017 All-Australian team.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/31/waldron-dusty-deal-done/
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Stay with Richmond, Dusty. It's the right call
Wayne Carey
The Age
31 August 2017
As much as Dustin Martin would look great in a North Melbourne guernsey next year, staying with Richmond is the right call.
Not just for Martin, but also for the Roos who have already made the most important decision in their recent history by re-signing Brad Scott.
If Scott had been let go, or left for Gold Coast, I would have had big concerns about the immediate future of the club.
An untried coach with a young list could mean a long time in the footy wilderness, but with Scott at the helm until 2020 Roos fans should sleep safe in the knowledge they can rebound before too long.
They might not have the top-end talent of the Tigers, but we've seen at Punt Road how quickly things can change if you have the right people at the club and back youth.
Damien Hardwick added Toby Nankervis, Josh Caddy, and Dion Prestia in the trade period, made a few tweaks to the club's game plan and unleashed his little men inside 50.
While North's aggressive recruiting strategy is to be admired, it doesn't necessarily guarantee success will come that much sooner.
Of course, Martin would be a fantastic addition to any midfield, not least for the Roos given they lack that sort of explosive power around the ball.
But signing him up at $1.5 million a season over seven years might not be the right move for the club long term, given how restrictive that could be for future recruiting.
The most consistent premiership sides in recent years have had much more conservative pay models.
Think Hawthorn and Geelong, who wouldn't be paying anyone more than $1 million.
While the Cats recruited a genuine star in Patrick Dangerfield, that wasn't about the money and he could have commanded much more elsewhere.
Sydney were also one of those teams before they signed Kurt Tippett and Lance Franklin.
While they're a decent chance of winning the flag this season, that move is yet to pay off and the Swans have had to sacrifice players such as Shane Mumford and Tom Mitchell.
Given how many senior players have departed Arden Street during the past 12 months, the Roos would certainly have a war chest.
You do have to spend your money on someone, so I don't begrudge them being proactive.
As for Martin, the difference in the offers he's received from North Melbourne and Richmond might work out to be very minor once his career is over.
On the surface, an extra $2 million over seven years is a lot of money. Martin would almost be earning the average wage for an AFL player on top of the $1.2 million per year the Tigers have on the table.
But as my colleague Caroline Wilson wrote only a few days ago, retiring as a one-club player can pay off financially in a big way, especially if you add a Brownlow Medal and even a premiership on top.
If Martin moved to North after winning the Brownlow his marketing capacity would be severely diminished. What Tigers fan would want to invest in someone who no longer plays for them?
Martin has a savvy manager in Ralph Carr who could easily turn a Brownlow into an extra $100,000 or even $200,000 through promotional material – if he stayed. Add a flag, and that price skyrockets even further.
The other thing that Martin has no doubt taken into account is just how difficult it can be to move clubs.
No matter how good or how experienced you are, walking in the doors of a new footy club can feel like your first day of high school.
You have to start again building relationships and forging trust, and for someone who seems more introverted like Martin that would be hard.
In Richmond, he has a club that has shown him enormous faith, which he has repaid on the field over the past few years.
The people at Tigerland know his habits and idiosyncrasies, and they know his family situation well, given Martin has been granted leave on a number of occasions.
I'm sure North would be just as accommodating, but at Punt Road those plans are already in place. It's comfortable for him.
With $1.5 million a year hanging over your head, the pressure of expectation can also be a tough burden to carry.
As the main man in a young side, Martin would come in for much more attention. At the moment, he has great allies around the ball like Trent Cotchin, Prestia and others.
As if that's not enough, the Tigers also have an opportunity that few other teams possess.
Having finished in the top four they'll be playing in front of crowds of 80,000-plus for at least the next fortnight and possibly longer if they can reach that final week in September.
They have a genuine shot at the premiership this year, and you can't put a price on success.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/wayne-carey-stay-with-richmond-dusty-its-the-right-call-20170831-gy83qg.html
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Tigers would normally like more control of the Dusty announcement. At this stage they are so sick of the whole ordeal they just want it done.
Dusty was to speak to dad at 2pm again. Some talk of raised offers, extra CBA increase in 2017 contract. Expect it to be done today.
If Dusty could complete an Aussie Ninja Warrior course on the Footy Show plus announce his new deal it would be a real ratings sensation.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun
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Hurry up and make it official!
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Yep so we can all :cheers :bow :bow :pray :clapping
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It's done boys and girls.
Ink's just drying on the paper.
:gotigers
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Yes :snidegrin
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Hopefully we still have enough wiggle room left to be active in trades.
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UPDATE: Richmond fans can start to rejoice because Dustin Martin is a Tiger for life. @TomBrowne7 #7News
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/903177860583538688
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:gotigers :cheers :cheers :bow :bow
Now that is sorted time to smash Geelong next week
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From the media reports we have still been upping the money even today. Don't trust the media but I really hope we haven't sold the farm for the next 7 years on 1 player.
It's over to you Dusty to perform like a $1.3 million dollar player for 7 years. Having said that I think He has this year so are glad he is staying. Now the circus can finish and we can look forward to beating the Cats next week.
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Hope the players aren't feeling as exhausted over this as I am.
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From the media reports we have still been upping the money even today. Don't trust the media but I really hope we haven't sold the farm for the next 7 years on 1 player.
It's over to you Dusty to perform like a $1.3 million dollar player for 7 years. Having said that I think He has this year so are glad he is staying. Now the circus can finish and we can look forward to beating the Cats next week.
Let's not forget he played for unders the past few years
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Happening tonight
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Yes :snidegrin
Haha, well played. I wonder if you actually knew all those weeks ago or if it was just a good guess. Ill assume the former :cheers
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Woohoo! Now let's celebrate by tearing Geelong apart! :gotigers
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You blokes should check out the BF Dusty to North thread. Some bloke had a meltdown and owes money to other posters that he made bets with. And hes signing off for life. :snidegrin
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You blokes should check out the BF Dusty to North thread. Some bloke had a meltdown and owes money to other posters that he made bets with. And hes signing off for life. :snidegrin
Got a link?
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You blokes should check out the BF Dusty to North thread. Some bloke had a meltdown and owes money to other posters that he made bets with. And hes signing off for life. :snidegrin
Got a link?
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-to-north-31-8-dm-signed-at-rfc-for-1-3m-7yrs.1160008/page-396
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Darn it I was hoping it would go for a bit longer, it's quite amusing to see the toys go flying
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UPDATE: Richmond fans can start to rejoice because Dustin Martin is a Tiger for life. @TomBrowne7 #7News
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/903177860583538688
:thumbsup
Hope this is correct.
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You blokes should check out the BF Dusty to North thread. Some bloke had a meltdown and owes money to other posters that he made bets with. And hes signing off for life. :snidegrin
Ah Phillyroo.
Entertaining poster on BF.
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Up yours Norf.
Lets see which opposition player the fans prostitute their dignity to now.
Loose like a wizards sleeve
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North say they are out of the race for Dusty.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Dustys-Signature-Move-AFL-v1.jpg)
The Dusty mega-deal: Roos out of Martin race
afl.com.au
31 August 2017
RICHMOND appears to have finally secured the signature of superstar midfielder Dustin Martin, with the Brownlow Medal favourite set to commit to the club for the next seven years in the richest deal in the club's history.
AFL.com.au was told by North Melbourne on Thursday it was out of the race for Martin's signature.
Martin flew to New Zealand this week to visit his father Shane as a final step in deciding whether to stay with Richmond or cross to the Kangaroos on a more lucrative deal.
The 26-year-old was weighing up a seven-year deal worth around $1.1m a season with the Tigers, or the Kangaroos' offer for $1.5m a year over the same duration.
But on Thursday the Tigers were reported to have upped that offer to $1.3 million a season.
Martin's blockbuster signing ends one of the long-running sagas of the 2017 season that started when the midfielder announced through his management in January he would not be deciding on his future until the end of the season.
A restricted free agent, Martin made it known he wanted to spend the season considering his options, and his manager Ralph Carr has stood firm in not finalising any deal until now.
Martin has put the raging speculation on his future to the side to produce a career-best season that should see him rewarded with a second consecutive Jack Dyer Medal as the Tigers' club champion.
He is also the shortest priced Brownlow Medal favourite in history after main rival Patrick Dangerfield was ruled ineligible, and he leads most main media awards.
The 25-year-old's contract negotiations have been handled this season by his manager Carr and the Tigers' list manager Dan Richardson and football boss Neil Balme.
For more than seven months the group has remained tight-lipped on the state of those negotiations as clubs – most notably North Melbourne – were linked to the explosive midfielder.
Speculation about his future reached fever pitch this week as he flew to New Zealand before returning for Wednesday night's All Australian dinner, where he was tight-lipped.
North Melbourne was an aggressive bidder for both Martin and GWS midfielder Josh Kelly, and the club was reportedly in a position to offer Martin approximately $2m more than the Tigers over the course of seven years.
But Martin spurned that offer to stay at Punt Road Oval in a deal that is likely to see him finish his career with the club that drafted him with pick No.3 in the 2009 NAB AFL Draft.
He has produced a magnificent season that has seen him win 40 possessions in a game twice and average career-high inside 50s (6.2), clearances (6.5) and contested possessions (14.2).
With every starring performance this season his value has grown, forcing Richmond to improve its offer as rivals circled.
Ultimately, however, Martin to remain loyal to the Tigers, who have worked overtime to facilitate regular trips to New Zealand for Martin to visit his deported father.
As coach Damien Hardwick said at the start of the season: "Dustin’s been a great player for the Richmond footy club and the Richmond footy club’s been great for Dustin".
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-31/the-dusty-deal
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Dustin Martin accepts Richmond contract offer, will stay at Punt Rd for next seven years
Glenn McFarlane,
Herald Sun
31 August 2017
15 minutes ago
FOOTBALL’S hottest property is off the market after raging Brownlow Medal favourite Dustin Martin last night agreed to an $8 million deal to stay at Punt Rd.
Martin has sacrificed around $3 million to stay a Tiger for life after ending year-long speculation about his future.
His management late today told North Melbourne he was staying with Richmond, turning his back on a deal worth almost $11 million to join the Kangaroos.
North’s uber offer was the richest in AFL history, outstripping the $10m that levered Lance Franklin out of Hawthorn and into Sydney colours.
The new seven-year deal ties him to Punt Rd until the end of 2024.
The Tigers fought back against the massive North Melbourne play with late financial sweeteners.
Suggestions yesterday of a deal worth $1.3 million a year were off the mark, according to sources.
Martin made the decision after visiting his father in New Zealand this week. Shane Martin has been banned from Australia because of his alleged bikie links despite never being charged.
It’s understood that Shane was worried about his son and wanted to get him the best possible deal because AFL careers are so short.
Martin has been in blistering form this year despite his prolonged contract talks.
It is understood Richmond’s initial offer was around $800,000 so his manager Ralph Carr has done an excellent job increasing his client’s payday.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-accepts-richmond-contract-offer-will-stay-at-punt-rd-for-next-seven-years/news-story/c6dd20b5c4786ce89a81512eb6bb3a95
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Peggy O'Neal just announced to a room full of women that Dustin Martin is staying at Richmond. Everyone cheered.
https://twitter.com/TeganMH/status/903185031820042240
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Dustin Martin to stay at Richmond until 2024
Caroline Wilson
The Age
31 August 2017
Dustin Martin has finally committed to Richmond with an eve-of-finals agreement which has tied him to the club until 2024.
The 26-year-old Brownlow favourite met a Tigers contingent led by chief executive Brendon Gale late on Thursday at the Hawthorn home of his manager Ralph Carr. Football lieutenant Daniel Richardson joined Gale at the pivotal meeting.
In a scenario reflective of a week dominated by the very public question mark over Martin's future, television broadcast vans were parked outside Carr's house as the meeting took place.
The Kangaroos, who had made a board-led mammoth offer to Martin, had been cautiously optimistic that the star player would come to North but that optimism began to wane on Wednesday before the All-Australian function where Martin received his second successive national blazer.
The North Melbourne view was that Martin's exiled bikie father Shane had been keen for him to cross to the Kangaroos. But a conversation between father and son on Wednesday is understood to have seen Martin communicate that he planned to remain at Richmond.
By late Thursday the Kangaroos were certain Martin would remain at Richmond. Despite reports to the contrary the Martin camp were not considering any other genuine offers in recent weeks. Suggestions that St Kilda had entered the negotiation with a late bid have been denied by the Saints who last met Carr before the start of the 2017 season.
Richmond had insisted their improved offer of a seven-year deal worth an annual $1.1 million was its final bid and that the club would have farewelled Martin with its blessing had he rejected it for North's potential contract estimated at closer to $1.5 million a year over seven years.
The latter bid would have seen Martin by some stretch the AFL's highest paid player. As it is the Tigers will face some challenges in controlling their total player payments over the coming years should their current team continue to flourish.
All-Australian captain Alex Rance signed a four-year deal with Richmond in 2015 which has tied him to the club until the end of 2019. Skipper Trent Cotchin's five-year extension signed at the end of 2014 secured him until 2020. Jack Riewoldt, the club's other key leader, is contracted until the end of 2019.
Given Martin's decision to stay with his club he joined at the start of the 2010 season the club has accepted his management's decision to attempt to negotiate a media contract to announce the new deal.
Martin's first game as a long-term committed Tiger comes with the club's return to the finals and its first top four finish since 2001 will be marked next Friday night in the qualifying final against Geelong in front of an anticipated crowd of more than 95,000.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-martin-set-to-stay-at-richmond-20170831-gy8f0m.html?btis
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Old scar face and myself told you guys not to worry.
He was never really going to go anywhere else. Carr was just putting things out there to maximise the price the tiggies were willing to pay.
A tiger for life. :clapping :clapping :clapping
:gotigers
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Brilliant news. Praise must given to the club for the way it handled the situation. Martin also deserves enormous praise. He chose loyalty over enormous money and with the ridiculous speculation over his playing future he has managed to conduct himself in a very professional manner and perform at an outstanding level. I hope that he becomes one of the club greats.
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Old scar face and myself told you guys not to worry.
He was never really going to go anywhere else. Carr was just putting things out there to maximise the price the tiggies were willing to pay.
A tiger for life. :clapping :clapping :clapping
:gotigers
Go to page 23 - that's where you heard it first.
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Well, Dusty kept his word about not making a decision until the end of the H/A season ;D.
Best thing is we won't have put up with going through this Dusty contract saga again with Ralph Carr.
Up yours Norf.
Norf have had a bad week.
1) Bottom 4 finish.
2) Missed out on the No.1 draft pick.
3) Missed out on poaching Dusty.
4) Likely to miss out now on Kelly as well.
5) Now have to go through a full rebuild.
6) Brad Scott remains their coach until 2020.
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Dusty interview on the Footy Show now saying he's staying a Tiger :thumbsup.
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Norf have had a bad week.
6) Brad Scott remains their coach until 2020.
:lol
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Wonderful news.
Off to the loo with a rag.
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So good :cheers
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Dusty's interview with Eddie and Sam:
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFLFootyShow/status/903206980453408768
"It's a massive relief to be honest, I'm sick of people talking about it" - Dusty opens up after re-signing with Richmond.
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They also had Dusty's dad Shane on over in NZ:
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFLFootyShow/status/903208344864694273
"Love you son, and I'm very proud" - An emotional Shane Martin has spoken of how proud he is of his son Dustin. #9AFLFootyShow
Then Ralph Carr who said Dusty was going last Wednesday until he went over to NZ and sat down with is dad to discuss everything with all the facts on the table. They all agreed that Richmond was the best place for Dusty to be.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFLFootyShow/status/903208351999201280
Last but not least ...... a very happy and relieved Dimma
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFLFootyShow/status/903209700140843009
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Left at the altar
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LCbSoe-oEvo/hqdefault.jpg)
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Then Ralph Carr who said Dusty was going last Wednesday until he went over to NZ and sat down with is dad to discuss everything with all the facts on the table. They all agreed that Richmond was the best place for Dusty to be.
Good old Ralphy
Admited that a week ago Dusty was goneskis
Then went on to say "Richmond was the best place for US to be" :chuck
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Dusty's interview with Eddie and Sam:
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFLFootyShow/status/903206980453408768
"It's a massive relief to be honest, I'm sick of people talking about it" - Dusty opens up after re-signing with Richmond.
I thought Dusty spoke very well.
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Banned from big footy I'm so devastated
My god north are a joke
Can't wait until we play them next year".....
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As premiers
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The Footy Show Dustin Martin interview: Richmond deal, who is Dustin Martin’s manager, Ralph Carr, Dustin Martin father Shane Martin
Al Paton and Mick Randall,
Herald Sun
31 August 2017
DUSTIN Martin’s manager Ralph Carr has revealed the Richmond star had initially decided to leave the club for North Melbourne, before loyalty prevailed.
Appearing on The Footy Show tonight, Martin said he had wrestled the decision for months.
Carr, who has driven a hard bargain with his star disciple, said Martin was out the door at Punt Rd at one point.
“This time last week he was going — well, that was the talk,” Carr said.
“But you know, I mean, once we weighed everything up and really talked it through in New Zealand and looked at it correctly and Dustin looked at everything, we realised that Richmond was where we wanted to be.
“Dusty gave up over $2 million to stay.”
Martin said he met with North Melbourne coach Brad Scott and the Kangaroos leadership group “a couple of times” — and that driving to the meetings “I felt like I was cheating on my girlfriend”.
“I certainly thought about it (the Kangaroos’ offer),” he said.
“It was a stressful year ... I was wrestling with myself.”
Martin said he decided to accept Richmond’s $8 million contract offer while in New Zealand early this week.
Dustin Martin describes why he refused the money
“We flew over to see Dad, got a hotel room, bunked up in there and just put it all out on the table and had lengthy conversations and spoke about what I wanted and what would be best for my future. Within an hour or two we had a decision.
“There were plenty of conversations but in the end Richmond’s home to me.
“The Richmond Football Club has been great to me and we’re on an incredible journey together, and I’ve just got such great relationships at that football club.
“This is my dream. Hopefully we can win the flag.”
Martin said Richmond’s army of supporters played a role in his decision.
“After I kicked a goal (last weekend) they were going crazy and I just thought, ‘How good is this?’.”
He paid tribute to Carr, saying “if I didn’t have him I’d probably p--- it all up against the wall”.
Martin’s father Shane said the family environment at Richmond helped make up his son’s mind.
“He’s a very humble, shy kid. The Richmond Football Club’s been amazing for him, especially Trent Cotchin. I can’t thank him enough.”
Martin Sr said he was hopeful a High Court decision next week would allow him to return to Australia to watch his son play for the Tigers.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said the news was “Christmas come early,”
“It’s very exciting for our footy club, great news for Dustin and more importantly it’s outstanding news for our fans.
“It’s every players’ right to look at free agency ... it’s really testament to the guy he is to give up $2 million to stay with his mates and the club that he loves. We just hope we can repay him by playing good football in September.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-appears-on-the-footy-show-to-talk-tiger-deal-manager-ralph-carr-and-father-shane-martin-give-their-takes/news-story/7eb571ad243b35e02a155f295c0ccd4e
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Then Ralph Carr who said Dusty was going last Wednesday until he went over to NZ and sat down with is dad to discuss everything with all the facts on the table. They all agreed that Richmond was the best place for Dusty to be.
Good old Ralphy
Admited that a week ago Dusty was goneskis
Then went on to say "Richmond was the best place for US to be" :chuck
That bloke looks like he's in love with his own shadow. Haven't ever heard a manager before state how much money they actually turned down to stay at a club.
I also again realised why I haven't watched the footy show for many years.
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https://www.facebook.com/TheFirstReserve/videos/480258055663351/
Not bad!
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stuffn ralph Carr is a big poofta poo talking dog.
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Then Ralph Carr who said Dusty was going last Wednesday until he went over to NZ and sat down with is dad to discuss everything with all the facts on the table. They all agreed that Richmond was the best place for Dusty to be.
Good old Ralphy
Admited that a week ago Dusty was goneskis
Then went on to say "Richmond was the best place for US to be" :chuck
"Us" talk about ride the on the coat tails of someone.
The Merkin is a piece of work.
Looking forward to $hai Boltons contract renewal.
At least he got DM some coin for his old mans high court costs.
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https://www.facebook.com/TheFirstReserve/videos/480258055663351/
Not bad!
Yep :thumbsup
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Carr has no choice but to play the line that Dusty was going to leave as it's his justification for the circus we witnessed. Plenty of ducks and drake's but ultimately you have a player who I believe wanted to stay where he was from day one.
Just Dusty's character convinced me that he wouldn't want to go through the settling in period with a new club, would have been quite a traumatic exercise for him rather than just getting on with business with the Tigers.
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They also had Dusty's dad Shane on over in NZ:
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFLFootyShow/status/903208344864694273
"Love you son, and I'm very proud" - An emotional Shane Martin has spoken of how proud he is of his son Dustin. #9AFLFootyShow
Then Ralph Carr who said Dusty was going last Wednesday until he went over to NZ and sat down with is dad to discuss everything with all the facts on the table. They all agreed that Richmond was the best place for Dusty to be.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFLFootyShow/status/903208351999201280
Last but not least ...... a very happy and relieved Dimma
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFLFootyShow/status/903209700140843009
cook the man some eggs.....
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Legend
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Dustin Martin signs biggest contract of his career, and all thanks to Ralph Carr
SAM EDMUND,
Herald Sun
August 31, 2017
HOW’S your sense of deja vu, Collingwood fans?
Five years after an out of contract Travis Cloke took Collingwood on a year-long will he-or-won’t he rollercoaster, Dustin Martin strapped Richmond onto the same ride.
In both instances it was the biggest payday in the player’s career, yet in both instances the rival offers were bigger and better.
In both instances club legends begged for the restricted free agent to re-sign.
And in both cases there was a bloke named Ralph Carr.
Contract stand-offs for Carr are par for the course. This is not a crack at Carr; it’s closer to the opposite.
As one Carr client said this week: “You want him on your team cause s--- gets done. That’s the best thing about him.
“Out of anyone I’ve ever seen, he is the best at talking people around. It’s the art of Ralph. He is the best convincer out there when it comes to changing minds, changing attitudes and changing perceptions.”
Richmond’s offer for Martin earlier this year sat at $825,000 a year for four years.
By late August it was seven years at $1.1 million a year and the biggest offer in Tigers history.
The influential onballer is on around $635,000 this season.
The Pies in early 2012 offered Cloke a four-year deal at $700,000.
By September that year he was signing a five-year contract worth around $800,000 a season, with the last year incentive-based and ultimately not fulfilled.
A passionate Carlton supporter and former board member, Carr launched RCM Sport in 2012 as an offshoot to Ralph Carr Management.
“It’s dealing with clients I see as brands”, he said.
The man who managed — and married — Chains singer Tina Arena, has had the Richmond and Collingwood board in chains as they desperately try to keep their marquee men.
The manager to the stars — literally — deals with singers more often than footballers.
In 2017 Carr’s AFL stable contains Martin and young teammate Shai Bolton and GWS’ Nick Haynes.
Where the AFL’s more prominent managers may need to keep the waters calm for other clients, Carr has no such concerns.
Where other managers who push hard for the best deal for one player may affect a teammate of similar ability also in their stable, Carr doesn’t need to worry.
Put simply, he doesn’t need to make friends. Just get the best deal.
We’ve been here before with Martin and Richmond contracts anyway. Who can forget the hard hats and the GWS facility tour in 2013?
Former player manager Ricky Nixon, who handled Martin’s previous Tigers contract, was one of many at the time to question Carr’s handling of the situation.
“How could you take your client to Sydney for a meeting without a written offer on the table?” Nixon said.
But Carr doesn’t do uniform.
If football is volatile, entertainment is like fire walking. In an industry where stars and their managers can be a case of early ripe, early rotten, Carr has been a 25-year constant.
We’re not sure when Nick Haynes is out of contract. But when he is, God help the Giants.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/dustin-martin-set-to-sign-biggest-contract-of-his-career-and-all-thanks-to-ralph-carr/news-story/e444a7e52ef30160de98deed231c4599
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“We are absolutely delighted that Dustin has committed to a long-term deal with the Club,” Richmond general manager – football talent Dan Richardson said.
“As we have said consistently, in the modern football landscape players and their management are entitled to explore their options. Our fans will be thrilled that after undertaking that process, Dustin has decided he wants to be at Richmond Football Club and a part of our future.
“Despite the constant media speculation, negotiations have always been conducted with transparency and in good faith.
“Dustin has played some outstanding football this season. His focus has always been on the team and that will again be the case as we head into the finals’ series.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-08-31/martin-a-tiger-for-life
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Now put him up for trade for two top five draft picks.
:thumbsup
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Haha
The club has played this well and so has Carr, but fmd what a tiprat he is. We this we that.
stuffin McGuire asking about chopsticks again. :banghead
Be nice if that bloke dissapeared again.
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Just wondering why Caro is trying to do a hatchet job on Shane Martin.
The North Melbourne view was that Martin's exiled bikie father Shane had been keen for him to cross to the Kangaroos. But a conversation between father and son on Wednesday is understood to have seen Martin communicate that he planned to remain at Richmond.
It was obvious from the interviews that Shane really valued Richmond (particularly Trent Cotchin) and the stability they gave Dusty.
In the other interview while playing pool it was obvious that Ralph was really peeved about the foregone $2 mill.
Shane valued stability, mateship and comfort above all.
Ralph only cared about the money. He was pushing for the North deal (last week) until Shane got involved this week.
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Caro is saying that it was North Melbourne's view that Shane was keen for Dusty to go to the Roos.
You can read that a lot of ways, but really, she has said it was North's view, not anyone else's. Wouldn't be the first time that a footy club got it completely wrong.
I got the impression that Shane Martin just wanted his son to have all the facts and info before making a decision. Which is totally understandable. North could have easily construed this to mean that Shane wanted him to go to North.
Now a moot point, thank goodness.
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Hopefully we still have enough wiggle room left to be active in trades.
Nope.
Add Dusty's $1.2m to Prestia's $650k and Caddy's $450k and there's not a lot left.
I am glad we have no cap room to make stupid offers to the free agents mentioned here like, Tippett, Casboult and Crameri.
The List Manager ::) will now have to look hard at the underused young keys at other clubs (and probably keep Griffith).
Players like Himmelberg who is number four in line after Cameron, Patton and Lobbe.
Stewart from last year is a perfect example, taken with a pick in the 70's.
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Well I think you do have to factor in the CBA 20% payment increase that occurred mid year. It means that the contract, and lets be conservative and assume he's getting paid the utmost reported (1.3 - 1.1 being reported as varying amounts) is on net values less than your Franklins/Abbletts.
Prestia is on more than 650 apparently, Caddy on more than 450.
I think if they're clever and know how to move the sums around we should have the room to go for players that can play important roles for us in future trade periods, but I'd say we won't be reeling in a "big fish" for another 10 years or so.
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We have the cattle bar a key forward so go to the draft for the next few years
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Well I think you do have to factor in the CBA 20% payment increase that occurred mid year. It means that the contract, and lets be conservative and assume he's getting paid the utmost reported (1.3 - 1.1 being reported as varying amounts) is on net values less than your Franklins/Abbletts.
Prestia is on more than 650 apparently, Caddy on more than 450.
I think if they're clever and know how to move the sums around we should have the room to go for players that can play important roles for us in future trade periods, but I'd say we won't be reeling in a "big fish" for another 10 years or so.
So once again Theyve misjudged the list
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Misjudged the list ......you've seen the ladder right ??
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Im just relieved.
A week ago I was convinced he was gone .
I've never watched a brownlow night and seen a Richmond recipient......to have him stolen would tarnish a wonderful experience.
Dusty is a superstar.
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Haha
stuffin McGuire asking about chopsticks again. :banghead
Be nice if that bloke dissapeared again.
Maybe Dusty should have countered by asking McGuire about his King Kong comments again?
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Misjudged the list ......you've seen the ladder right ??
What about in 2018-2022
I'm also relieved about Dusty
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1.2 is cheap.
FFS Carlton paid Kouta $1 million in 1999!!!!!
Once in a generation player now safe in our grasp. We can afford to drop one spud from the senior list and play with 39.
Well done RFC. :clapping
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'I could have made the announcement nude': Gale
afl.com.au
1 September 2017
RICHMOND boss Brendon Gale concedes the television announcement of the multi-million dollar re-signing of star Dustin Martin was far from ideal but flagged it as the way of the future.
The Tigers missed the opportunity to release one of the biggest news stories in the club's history, having to hand control to Martin and his manager Ralph Carr, who sold it to Channel Nine's The Footy Show for a reported $50,000.
It was shades of NBA star LeBron James, who announced his deal with Miami Heat via a live television special titled 'The Decision'.
Gale said the Tigers would have preferred to make the announcement themselves.
"It certainly wasn't our preference," Gale said.
"The most important thing about this footy club is our members and we would much prefer that we had given our members the opportunity to hear first."
With Martin reportedly giving up as much as $2 million dollars in choosing the Tigers over a mega-deal offered by North Melbourne, Gale said he couldn't deny him the television pay-off.
"I'm not going to begrudge Dustin - he's turned his back on a lot of money which is incredible, so to do a paid exclusive interview and get a bit of earn, I'm comfortable with that and I'm sure our fans are comfortable too," he said.
"I could have made the announcement nude and our fans wouldn't care."
Gale said the way the news was released was something that clubs may have to get used to.
"Clubs do tend to want to control everything but perhaps it's the way of future, that the nature of our business is increasingly an entertainment business.
Despite the massive deal Gale didn't think Martin, who has always been reticent about the spotlight and the media, would become a spokesman for the club.
"I wouldn't expect much change in the way he goes about things; for us the high payoff is the way he goes about things on the footy field," Gale said.
"He's extraordinarily popular but that comes through his on-field deeds."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-01/i-could-have-made-the-announcement-nude
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Balmey let rip at free agency this morning:
“It’s a crock of rubbish”
By SEN
1 September 2017
Richmond football manager Neil Balme has delivered a passionate whack to the AFL’s free agency system.
While Balme was pleased with Dustin Martin re-signing with Richmond for seven years, calling it “fantastic” and “wonderful,” he isn’t happy with the process the Brownlow Medal favourite had to go through.
“I think free agency is a crock of rubbish, it doesn’t help footy at all and it doesn’t help anyone,” Balme told SEN’s Hungry For Sport.
“I hate how everyone is so keen on coming up with rubbish which is nothing like what really happening. The more you have things like free agency, where the AFL advertises in March, all these players are free agents, lets get some pathetic media on everyone, it puts enormous pressure on clubs and players.
“It’s very low level, rubbish media coverage which I think is awful.”
However, Balme did acknowledge Martin’s choice to explore other options, as he met with North Melbourne, who offered him a 1.5 million dollar deal.
“We need to go through the process and Dusty is well within his rights to do exactly what he has done, which we have always said,” he said.
“There is no doubt he wanted to stay at his club like most people do. When you get that heap of money thrown at you, you have to consider it and we are very empathetic to that. Fortunately, we have been able to find enough to satisfy him.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/01/it-s-a-crock-of-rubbish/
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And finally a reminder on which club sells papers :whistle.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DImbRFAVoAE2HIY.jpg)
https://twitter.com/taraceebee/status/903424281698222080
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I think Ralph Carr had a lot more to do with Dusty staying with us in the end than what a few people think. I think Ralph in the end bought him home.
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Then Ralph Carr who said Dusty was going last Wednesday until he went over to NZ and sat down with is dad to discuss everything with all the facts on the table. They all agreed that Richmond was the best place for Dusty to be.
Good old Ralphy
Admited that a week ago Dusty was goneskis
Then went on to say "Richmond was the best place for US to be" :chuck
That bloke looks like he's in love with his own shadow. Haven't ever heard a manager before state how much money they actually turned down to stay at a club.
Ralph Carr reminds me of Bebe from Frasier.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8V3hWHUtDunENYGHlp3AVD6NQ-zXdIpo0Ozu6AL0rI9lrT-LF)
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Im just relieved.
A week ago I was convinced he was gone .
I've never watched a brownlow night and seen a Richmond recipient......to have him stolen would tarnish a wonderful experience.
Dusty is a superstar.
The kids and I are looking forward to that as well.
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“It’s very low level, rubbish media coverage which I think is awful.”
Nailed it there
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I think Ralph Carr had a lot more to do with Dusty staying with us in the end than what a few people think. I think Ralph in the end bought him home.
Errr nope.
Not the merkin...
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Gale rubbished claims the Tigers had been forced to increase their offer to Martin in recent weeks. Senior Tigers officials also rejected claims on Friday that Martin would pocket $1.3 million a year. It's understood Martin will pocket no more than $1.2 million a year.
Gale would not disclose if there were trigger clauses in Martin's contract, particularly in the latter years, to help safeguard the club should Martin struggle for form or have a serious injury and not return as the player he once was – as was the case with Dale Thomas after he crossed from Collingwood to Carlton.
Young Tiger Dan Butler revealed 30 players – including Martin – had gathered at Cotchin's house to watch Martin's pre-recorded announcement.
"He left the room when it was on. All of us watched it. We were pretty rapt he signed," Butler said.
"It's obviously a massive boost for us. It's really good to get it out of the way and know that he is committed to us."
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-insists-dustin-martin-contract-wont-clog-salary-cap-20170901-gy8mla.html
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“After I kicked a goal (last weekend) they were going crazy and I just thought, ‘How good is this?’.”
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Wonder if norf have scouts out tonight or tomorrow for the state of origin women's game to see if they can offer someone there 15 million and still get knocked back....lmfao
Spewin I'm banned from Big Stupidville
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I'm sure he'd have weighed up an offer from Woodville-West Torrens had the money been right.
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Ralph Carr: "But Dusty, it's $2m more at North?"
Dusty:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIoVV9HVoAUwYd0.jpg)
https://twitter.com/bmaher_/status/903558152292929536
;D
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:lol
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Gerard Whateley claimed on ABC radio today that the Football Show knew of the decision prior to the club. He alleges that the club only knew of the decision on Thursday afternoon.
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Dusty knew several weeks ago what he was doing, and where he was going to finish his career. That was when the inside word reached my ears, so he may have known months ago. What is most likely and fairly obvious is getting Richmond to pay him more by just poking around other clubs. Smart Manager :thumbsup
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Dustin Martin neck tattoo, New Zealand heritage, Richmond $8 million contract
GLENN McFARLANE,
Herald Sun
2 September 2017
RICHMOND’S $8 million man Dustin Martin has spoken passionately about the powerful family significance behind his neck tattoos, saying he has no regrets about getting them.
Martin, now 26, and one of the most recognised footballers in the country, was only 18 and just starting to make his mark at Punt Rd when he chose to get his neck tattoos.
But he says they still mean so much to him now, and will forever.
“It’s a funny place to get your second tattoos on your neck, (but) that is just (about) my family heritage, so it means a lot to me,” Martin told The Footy Show in footage that didn’t make it to air last Thursday night.
“Obviously my dad (Shane) is from New Zealand. They (the tattoos) are bloodlines from my dad’s great grandmother’s tribe and the other side is like a family gathering place.”
He has the Maori words “Ngati Maru”, which refers to the family’s North Island tribe, and also “Matai Whetu”, which refers to a meeting place, on his neck.
“When you are young, you don’t think too much before you go and do it, but I don’t regret it,” he said.
Martin said he still hoped to get a premiership tattoo on his body at some stage in the future, if the Tigers can break their flag drought that stretches back to 1980.
Martin, who is reticent to do media, will be part of The Footy Show next year after doing an interview with the program this week, announcing his new $8-million-plus seven-year deal to stay with the Tigers.
Footy Show host Eddie McGuire said Martin reminded him of past football greats such as Darren Millane, Dane Swan and Dermott Brereton, who grew up in tough areas, but who have embraced the game and have been embraced back.
He hopes the show can give viewers a look into the real Dustin Martin into the future.
“We have done a long-term deal with Dustin,” McGuire said. “There is a lot more to get out of Dustin ... he will get more confident in the interviews down the track.”
“(He) is a kid from the wrong side of the tracks who has had some blow-ups along the way but maybe he is getting himself together and he plays bloody good football.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-says-his-neck-tattoos-link-him-to-his-familys-new-zealand-heritage/news-story/73f7381f3cbe7a35eb038f9952b9435b
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“We have done a long-term deal with Dustin,” McGuire said. “There is a lot more to get out of Dustin ... he will get more confident in the interviews down the track.”
typical of mcgurie that stuffin dictator
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Dustin Martin’s manager Ralph Carr wants the AFL to introduce loyalty clause in contracts for free agents
JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
September 2, 2017
RALPH Carr has praised Dustin Martin’s mental strength to withstand six months of intense contract scrutiny and emerge as the season’s best player.
Manager Carr said he had no regrets about the protracted nature of the talks, saying free agency was a “necessary evil”.
He emerged as the master tactician, eventually securing his client nearly $500,000 a season more than Richmond’s initial offer.
He called on the AFL to consider a loyalty discount for star free agents to help them stay one-club players.
The AFL has rolled its veterans’ allowance into the salary cap this year, but Carr fears it will be increasingly difficult for clubs to hold onto stars.
The Tigers increased their offer to more than $1.2 million per season, a figure near Nat Fyfe’s new free agency deal.
Carr pledged to do everything in his power to ensure Richmond gets full value for Martin’s seven-year deal.
He said Martin, 26, had stayed strong since January, when the Herald Sun revealed he would defer talks until the end of the season.
“It is pretty amazing. It was long and protracted and I feel sorry for the supporters. I was getting a lot of emails and I responded to every one, saying please be patient,” Carr said.
“He is pretty tough in that area. I am thrilled with the decision and my priority is to do whatever I can to help them get the best out of Dusty.
“I have been doing this for 25 years and some negotiations take a minute and other ones take years.
“There is not one formula for players or artists — it is all individualised, there are different negotiations for different talent.
“We are at a point where it is fair to Richmond and fair to Dusty. We didn’t want to rip Richmond off and, as I said to Trent Cotchin last night, I want Richmond to win a flag.”
The Tigers now have five players on significant wages — Alex Rance, Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt and Dion Prestia.
The club has no other stars to re-sign and has locked away its best players long-term.
Riewoldt, Rance, Daniel Rioli and Shane Edwards are signed until 2019, Cotchin is safe until 2020 and Prestia is locked away until 2021.
The veterans’ rule once saw half the wage of loyal servants excluded from the salary cap, before that was cut to $115,000.
Under new CBA changes the veterans are now inside the cap, giving no help to clubs trying to retain long-serving stars.
Carr said AFL clubs were being left exposed to rivals trying to rip established talent away with monster offers.
“You need to have free agency, but they have got to alter it,” he said.
“I have been an advocate of that for a number of years, a loyalty clause where if you have been at a club since its inception there should be some advantage to the club to pay extra money without being disadvantaged in the cap.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martins-manager-ralph-carr-wants-the-afl-to-introduce-a-loyalty-clause/news-story/a3b6a4cc0a23e99177ab7346937e8212
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Gerard Whateley claimed on ABC radio today that the Football Show knew of the decision prior to the club. He alleges that the club only knew of the decision on Thursday afternoon.
Deal was done Monday night.
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Gerard Whateley claimed on ABC radio today that the Football Show knew of the decision prior to the club. He alleges that the club only knew of the decision on Thursday afternoon.
Deal was done Monday night.
Which one?
Sig not on contract until Thursday arvo
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it was long and protracted and I feel sorry for the supporters. I was getting a lot of emails and I responded to every one, saying please be patient,” Carr said.
What a load of crap
You don't and didn't give a rats about the supporters
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That article was almost like an advertorial for the Merkin.
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Gerard Whateley claimed on ABC radio today that the Football Show knew of the decision prior to the club. He alleges that the club only knew of the decision on Thursday afternoon.
Deal was done Monday night.
To be fair to everyone, HRT was the first one to genuinely call that he would stay, earlier in the year.
I know that may upset a few of the more verbose posters with their seemingly charlatan-like sources, but suck it up.
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Gerard Whateley claimed on ABC radio today that the Football Show knew of the decision prior to the club. He alleges that the club only knew of the decision on Thursday afternoon.
Deal was done Monday night.
Which one?
Sig not on contract until Thursday arvo
The club knew his final intentions on Monday night. I'm not sure if they had the paperwork but they had the commitment of the player.
I posted Tuesday on p 53 once this was confirmed
It's disappointing that the so called journalist Whatfley said this and makes me wonder if he's trying to unsettle us ahead of playing his football team this week
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Gerard Whateley claimed on ABC radio today that the Football Show knew of the decision prior to the club. He alleges that the club only knew of the decision on Thursday afternoon.
I think there might be something in this.
I did find it a bit starange that there was a rumour about the decision was going to happen on the footy show a good week or even two weeks before it did.
I personally think Dusty was never really even considering leaving, his manager just did his job and got the best deal he could from the RFC.
I'm not saying when the final North offer came up he didn't consider it but I think he was always staying.
And I think the trip to NZ was always going to happen and it was beaten up to be he was going over there to discuss it wth the old man. I'm 99% sure that decision was made before he boarded that plane.
Gerard Whateley is a skinny little whimp but out of all journos he is one of the more trusted professional ones. His sidekick on 360 is the total opposite to that.
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Who gives a stuff.
Moving on...
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it was long and protracted and I feel sorry for the supporters. I was getting a lot of emails and I responded to every one, saying please be patient,” Carr said.
What a load of crap
You don't and didn't give a rats about the supporters
The AFL's issue as well.
The problem is, the supporters are so loyal and they know they can keep screwing us over and we will keep coming back and daring to dream.
The AFL is on thin ice with me. I am getting sick of being used. If Dusty had left, I was highly likely to drop my Richmond membership and just become a supporter, rather than a member. Not that hard a decision given I live interstate and get very little for my membership.
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it was long and protracted and I feel sorry for the supporters. I was getting a lot of emails and I responded to every one, saying please be patient,” Carr said.
What a load of crap
You don't and didn't give a rats about the supporters
The AFL's issue as well.
The problem is, the supporters are so loyal and they know they can keep screwing us over and we will keep coming back and daring to dream.
The AFL is on thin ice with me. I am getting sick of being used. If Dusty had left, I was highly likely to drop my Richmond membership and just become a supporter, rather than a member. Not that hard a decision given I live interstate and get very little for my membership.
Ask not what your club can do for you but what you can do for your club
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:lol
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From a North supporter of course....
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/4-dustin-martin-contract-talk-7-more-years.1174217/page-371#post-52240140
...good to see them taking it well...
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Weve got Claw, by the looks of it theyve got Dringle....
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From a North supporter of course....
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/4-dustin-martin-contract-talk-7-more-years.1174217/page-371#post-52240140
...good to see them taking it well...
I reckon it is great that the majority of North fans want to see an interstate team win it, because that is what they will be in about 5 years time.
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Sheahan's "problem" with Dusty Footy Show announcement
By SEN
4 September 2017
Former Herald Sun chief football writer Mike Sheahan has admitted he was not a fan of Dustin Martin broadcasting his decision to stay at Richmond via The Footy Show.
He said while the Tigers were accepting of Martin making his announcement in a paid interview, they were far from comfortable with the situation.
“I didn’t view the club any different, they were in a very awkward situation. I didn’t like it at all when the announcement was made on The Footy Show,” Sheahan said on SEN Breakfast.
“It’s a Richmond announcement, and I think they’ve articulated that.
“The problem they had was that because Dusty was seen to have conceded so many hundreds of thousands of dollars, then when he said I can get, I’m thinking 40 or 50k back by Channel Nine, they rolled over, but they didn’t do it with any degree of comfort.
“It seemed that the television station made the call, rather than the footy club.”
Tim Watson said while the TV interview may have been the only way to solidify Martin’s signature, he believed it made Richmond look like a small club, and made the individual look bigger than the club.
“They had to bend over so far to get this deal done,” he said.
“It makes the club look small doesn’t it? I understand why they did it, and probably it was the only thing they could do under the circumstances to make sure that deal went through, but it makes it look like an individual is bigger than the club.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/04/sheahans-problem-with-dusty-footy-show-announcement/
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"I could have made the announcement nude and our fans wouldn't care."
Look, I'm going to have to disagree there...
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I was highly likely to drop my Richmond membership and just become a supporter, rather than a member.
Careful, you might rile up some people on this forum
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I was highly likely to drop my Richmond membership and just become a supporter, rather than a member.
Careful, you might rile up some people on this forum
I hate being negative, but I am seriously fed up with the AFL.
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I was highly likely to drop my Richmond membership and just become a supporter, rather than a member.
Careful, you might rile up some people on this forum
I hate being negative, but I am seriously fed up with the AFL.
And here is why
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-could-pay-forward-tom-lynch-for-ambassadorial-role-should-he-resign-at-gold-coast-beyond-2018/news-story/0ee762b5031aeaaa682fb5b6da5fac8f
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Stuffen AFL are a bunch of crooks
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Choco reveals “intimate” knowledge of Dusty situation
By SEN
4 September 2017
Former Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams has revealed how much he knew about Dustin Martin’s contractual situation.
Martin re-signed with the Tigers on a seven-year deal reportedly worth $1.3 million last week, and the 2004 premiership coach has explained how involved he was in the process.
Williams also delve deep into how the picture painted of Martin’s Dad, Shane, during the contract negotiations was an inaccurate one.
“Every now and again, I got a random phone call from someone at Richmond,” Williams told SEN Afternoons.
“They wanted to know what was happening with Dusty. Dustin and I talked about it. I spoke about three-or-four times with his Dad.
“All the supporters were putting Shane into a bit of a box, saying he just wants Dusty for money, but they’re completely wrong. Shane was always about looking after Dustin and what the best thing was for him. I had an intimate knowledge of exactly what was going on.
“It was good to talk through a father’s concern about what’s best for Dustin. What it means to be a one-club player, how difficult it would be to go to another club.”
Williams also described how Martin, the 2017 Brownlow Medal favourite, held all the bargaining power over the Tigers, something that hadn’t happened in previous deals.
“Dustin and I had been through a couple other contractual discussions with Richmond prior to this one, where Richmond held the whip handle,” he said.
“In the end, I told Dusty, don’t worry, sign this one and just wait for the next one. He delivered and then he held the whip handle.
“The management with [manager] Ralph [Carr]…Dusty has been so happy to work with him, they said here is the number, Richmond you deliver this number, and we will sign. That’s what happened.”
North Melbourne was one of the favourites to secure Martin’s services, attempting to lure him to Arden Street with a monstrous $1.5 million deal. The Roos have also shown heavy interest in out of contract GWS superstar Josh Kelly, and Williams told Martin to seek confirmation the Giant midfielder would join him at North.
“I said to him, if you go to this other club, you better know other people are coming,” he said.
“You don’t want to be jumping and nobody else comes. If it were North, you’d want to know Josh Kelly is coming as well. When you’re seen as the savior, it adds a massive amount of pressure.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/04/choco-reveals-intimate-knowledge-of-dusty-situation/
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Caro on Footy Classified last night disputed Ralph Carr's claim that Dusty was going to North a week before he went to NZ and his re-signing with Richmond. She reckons Dusty wanted to stay at Richmond and was only considering North's offer as part of doing his due diligence.
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The more I hear or read of "chocco" the more I realise how detrimental he was to us being a successful team. Poor decision to hire him and a good decision was to show him the door and get someone who actually could teach the kids skill properly and not just with megalomaniacal personal anecdotes.
This guy is in love with his own shadow.
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Dustin Martin is worth every penny
Friday night's match needed a hero, and 'Dusty' knew it. He began asserting himself on the game late in the third quarter but he really got rolling at the start of the fourth. Every time he touched the ball he did something purposeful and the Cats had no answer for him. His highlight came when he fended off both Mitch Duncan and Tom Stewart 60m from goal before launching a bomb to Shaun Grigg in the goalsquare. It was the goal that broke the Cats' back and the Tigers went on a five-goal run. Martin's finals appearances have netted him 19, 29 and 21 possessions, but he has flourished as a superstar of the competition since his last September appearance. He had 28 with nine inside 50s and six clearances and will carry the Tigers on his shoulders through this month.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-08/five-things-we-learned-from-geelong-v-richmond
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Do I dare point out it wasn't until Guthrie (the man tagging him) went off injured?
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The one-on-one Dustin Martin moment that helped to erase 16 years of pain for the Tigers
GLENN McFARLANE,
Herald Sun
September 10, 2017
IT WAS the one-on-one Dustin Martin moment that helped end 16 years of finals heartache for the Tigers.
Richmond was leading by seven points with about 30 seconds left in the third quarter when a clearing kick brought about a desperate contest between Martin and Geelong’s Tom Stewart.
They both flew for the ball and for a fleeting moment it seemed as if Stewart had the drop on the footy before he overran it slightly. Then Martin pounced. The Brownlow Medal favourite gathered, pushed off Stewart’s chest in typical fashion and burst down the outer wing in a race against the clock.
Teammate Jack Riewoldt knew it was coming in his direction long before the Stewart fendoff.
“He (Martin) is a big-time player and big-time players step up at the important moments,” Riewoldt said. “Tom Stewart is a handy player in one-on-ones. He probably had a few moments with Dusty down in Geelong (in Round 21). But I knew (Martin) would win it.”
So, too, did Dion Prestia, who found himself loose in attack with no one around him, knowing the Martin steamtrain down the wing was bringing the ball closer by the ticking second.
“I just backed him to win the one-on-one,” Prestia said, sensing the opportunity that was coming. “I was about 30 metres out when Dusty got it and I just ran towards the goal square.”
Martin was motoring along the wing at 25.9km/h, according to Champion Data’s new Super Tracker measurement. It was his maximum speed for the quarter, which by then was more than 30 minutes long.
Martin’s kick into half-forward came with 20 seconds left, but his drop punt didn’t have its usual penetration. The ball bounced in front of Zach Tuohy and Riewoldt, and the Richmond forward read the bounce perfectly, took possession and turned towards goal without knowing what was in front of him, even though he knew Lachie Henderson was bearing down on him from behind.
“It came out to me ... I didn’t know Dion was there,” Riewoldt said. “I just turned and rolled and he was in the right spot. He (Prestia) must have worked hard to get there.”
As Riewoldt wheeled around to take his kick, the crowd realised there was a Richmond player all alone at the top of the goalsquare. Prestia knew once Riewoldt won his contest with Tuohy that the ball was coming to him, even though he wasn’t sure how much time was left on the clock.
“I just kind of backed them (Martin and Riewoldt) in to win the ball,” Prestia said. “Maybe I was cheating a bit, or maybe I was being smart, but we’ve been good at winning the one-on-ones this year. That’s where we have improved.”
By the time he marked Riewoldt’s kick at the top of the square, there were only 15 seconds left in the term. Mitch Duncan gave chase, but there was never going to be a Heath Shaw 2010 moment. Prestia dribbled the ball through from point blank range to put his team 13 points in front.
The roar reverberated around the ground like it used to when the “Tigers of Old” dominated the MCG more than a generation ago.
Richmond’s players headed back to the middle for the last 10 seconds of the term, then strode with purpose to the three-quarter-time huddle emboldened by what had just occurred, and sensing there was more to come.
It was a massive lift for a club haunted by failed finals appearances and a lack of September action this century.
Chief executive Brendon Gale, who played in Richmond’s last finals win in 2001, knew what a team-inspiring moment it had been and the raucous Richmond faithful vindicated that.
President Peggy O’Neal, who 12 months ago shoved aside a flawed reform group called “Focus on Football” with the same purpose and power as a Dustin Martin “Don’t Argue”, smiled at Martin’s moment and the team-first attitude that followed.
She explained: “A Geelong supporter in front of me turned around (after the recently re-signed $8 million-plus Tiger’s extraordinary passage) and said: ‘I think you’ve made a very good investment.’ And I said, ‘Tonight it is paying off’.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/the-oneonone-dustin-martin-moment-that-helped-to-erase-16-years-of-pain-for-the-tigers/news-story/a8365a6b8c0de917e8139ae8e0628e61
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From The Age tonight...
As reported exclusively for OER, deal done on the Monday night (reported on the Tues morning - day later ;D) and a little more stumped up to satisfy Ralph and co.....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-balme--the-inside-story-of-how-richmond-resigned-dustin-martin-20170911-gyfcoh.html
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ralphy must have been so peeed that balmey got involved and stopped him from getting another 100k.
I still recall that "we are happy he signed" comment or whatever it was.
flog
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Edit: HRT :cheers.
Tiger Balme - the inside story of how Richmond re-signed Dustin Martin
12 September 2017
By Caroline Wilson
The Age
Richmond football boss Neil Balme flew to New Zealand to visit Dustin Martin's father Shane on the eve of the Tiger star's crucial family meeting which ultimately sealed his decision to remain at the club.
Determined to communicate 'father to father' Richmond's long-term commitment to the 26-year-old champion, Balme missed the Tigers' final home-and-away clash at the MCG against St Kilda in a bid to meet Shane Martin face to face for the first time.
The dramatic Dustin Martin contract saga officially ended on The Footy Show three nights later but by close of business Monday night Richmond's inner sanctum knew that the player in his own mind had committed to stay. Apart from wanting to see his father the purpose of the visit was to communicate to Shane Martin the desire to remain a Tiger despite the extra estimated $1.8 million on offer from the Kangaroos.
Balme's secret New Zealand mission - the club approved the trip the night before the St Kilda game without the knowledge of Martin's manager Ralph Carr - did not turn out according to plan. But the internal view at Tigerland is that the extra lengths the club was prepared to go to to was not lost on the high profile restricted free agent as he weighed up a significantly richer offer from North Melbourne.
Shane Martin would not meet Balme telling him he had a pre-arranged engagement to meet friends to watch the Floyd Mayweather-Conor McGregor fight.
Balme had contacted him unannounced upon landing in New Zealand so instead the pair exchanged text messages in which Balme reportedly delivered the message he had hoped to spell out in person. Dustin Martin, who flew to New Zealand with Ralph Carr the following day, was understood to have been disappointed that Balme and his father never actually managed to meet.
The club had been keen on several occasions from the start of the season for Balme and/or his football lieutenant Daniel Richardson to make the trip but had been discouraged by Carr from doing so. In the end Balme decided he could not allow the pivotal family meeting to go ahead without attempting to tell Shane Martin how much Richmond cared for his son as a person as well as a champion footballer.
Very few at the club were told the true reason for Balme's absence at the MCG on August 27 where Martin was putting in yet another best afield performance to help secure his club a top four spot. Balme remained in New Zealand until early Monday, offering to attend the meeting involving the Martin father and son along with Carr. But he was discouraged from doing so.
Instead, after flying home to Melbourne, he spoke to Shane Martin over the telephone and was able to satisfy the Martin camp's request for a slight amendment to the Richmond offer which would favour the player. The club also readily agreed to the camp's request to sell the story to Channel Nine.
While it went against traditional team values the view was that Martin had pledged his loyalty to Richmond ahead of significantly more money elsewhere and therefore had every right to commercially handle the announcement. By Wednesday night's All-Australian team announcement the strong message buzzing around Melbourne's Palais Theatre was that Martin would be staying at Richmond.
North officials, confident over the previous weekend, believed he was lost to the club. But still those in on the deal remained silent determined to honour the agreement with the Martin camp and allow Carr to oversee the announcement the following night.
After fulfilling his The Footy Show commitments Martin joined his teammates at the home of his captain and close friend Trent Cotchin where the TV was on Channel Nine although he reportedly left the room while his interview was televised. In football terms Martin celebrated his decision with a memorable performance at the MCG in Richmond's emphatic qualifying final win over Geelong.
Days earlier Shane Martin learned that he would remain exiled from Australia after the Federal Government pushed through an amendment to the immigration act. The elder Martin, who has denied being involved in criminal activity, will therefore miss the forthcoming preliminary final and the Brownlow Medal count where his son is the favourite and is expected to bring teammate Sam Lloyd as his plus one.
But Balme, who on Monday refused to discuss with Fairfax Media his New Zealand mission, is understood to remain determined to meet the father of his champion player whether or not he remains in exile. With Shane Martin's blessing he has undertaken to make the trip after Richmond's September campaign is complete.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-balme--the-inside-story-of-how-richmond-resigned-dustin-martin-20170911-gyfcoh.html