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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 07, 2017, 05:48:12 PM
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Currently as the ladder stands, we hold picks 15, 16, 50, 53, 68, 86, ...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-07/afl-indicative-draft-order-june-2017
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Currently as the ladder stands, we hold picks 15, 16, 50, 68, 86, ...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-07/afl-indicative-draft-order-june-2017
we also have 53, from GWS as part of Lids deal
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Currently as the ladder stands, we hold picks 15, 16, 50, 68, 86, ...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-07/afl-indicative-draft-order-june-2017
we also have 53, from GWS as part of Lids deal
Cheers, taz. OP corrected.
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Does anyone think our later picks are exchangeable of a second rounder to get Naish? Probably wishful thinking.
Might have to trade out to get one.
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I don't know the details but apparently clubs can go into a points deficit to get f/s & academy picks...
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I don't know the details but apparently clubs can go into a points deficit to get f/s & academy picks...
Might be the way to go out of necessity. Then again why not clear out some deadwood and get some picks. Two birds one stone.
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Yes that's what we should do,
Anyway, posted this in another thread but it fits here as well:
http://footyprophet.com/class-of-2017-forwards/
Jarrod Brander sounds exciting.....wonder if Brisbane would swap both our firsts for their #1 pick? (presuming we don't go for Kelly) :shh
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Yes that's what we should do,
Anyway, posted this in another thread but it fits here as well:
http://footyprophet.com/class-of-2017-forwards/
Jarrod Brander sounds exciting.....wonder if Brisbane would swap both our firsts for their #1 pick? (presuming we don't go for Kelly) :shh
In 2009 Sydney offered (from memory) pick 6 and 14 for our pick 3 coz they wanted Martin. FWIW. And we said no.
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Coleman-Jones or Balta might be more realistic targets as kpp
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Go to the draft with our two first round picks simple as that one KP and one best available.Target a free agency KP or a fringe on the outer.
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Does anyone think our later picks are exchangeable of a second rounder to get Naish? Probably wishful thinking.
Might have to trade out to get one.
The combined value of picks 50 and 53 at the moment do not even equal the lowest second round pick.
If Naish goes first round we are going to have to use one of our first round picks or trade out someone for a high second round pick. Or try and use 2018 picks to get back into the second round.
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I don't know the details but apparently clubs can go into a points deficit to get f/s & academy picks...
The AFL changed the rules and you can only use the same number of picks as you have spots left open on your list, They also allowed you to go into deficit the next year if you don't have sufficient value in picks in the current year. However going into deficit will affect your draft picks in the next year.
For example the two third rounders we have now have a combined value of approximately 490 and with the allowance for the 20% discount we have about 610 points to go towards Naish.
If we trade our first two picks away and Naish gets a bid at around pick 18 this has a point value of 985. We would still be 375 points short. We then have to use our fourth round pick value, which at this point is pick # 69 and has 49 points attached. So still 326 points short and will carry over to next year.
This 326 would come off the value of what ever our 2018 first round pick is dropping it back into the second round. Or we can trade out our 2018 first round and then our second round pick will be affected by the 326 carry over dropping it back potentially to the 4th round.
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well...stuff that idea then.....cheers....
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Being 4th on the ladder, we currently hold first round picks 15 & 16.
Callum Twomey's Phantom Form Guide - July edition
afl.com.au
6 July 2017
IT'S THAT time of the year again. The NAB AFL Under-18 Championships are over, which means we're ready to order the top group of prospects in this year's draft pool.
This is AFL.com.au's first Phantom Form Guide for 2017, where we rank the best 25 players available to clubs at this year's draft.
Just as a reminder, this is purely a ranking and does not take into account the selections held by clubs or academy and father-son prospects.
It is also not a mock draft. It is simply a list of the best players from our view. The Phantom Form Guide will be updated monthly in the lead-up to November's draft.
1. Cameron Rayner Half-forward/midfielder, Ht 187cm, Wt 88kg, DOB 21/10/1999 Western Jets/Vic Metro
2. Luke Davies-Uniacke Midfielder, Ht 187cm, Wt 85kg, DOB 8/6/1999 Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
3. Adam Cerra Midfielder, Ht 186cm, Wt 85kg, DOB 7/10/1999 Eastern Ranges/Vic Country
4. Darcy Fogarty Half-forward/midfielder, Ht 192cm, Wt 92kg, DOB 25/9/1999 Glenelg/South Australia
5. Will Sutherland Key forward, Ht 195cm, Wt 90kg, DOB 27/10/1999 Scotch College/Vic Metro
6. Jarrod Brander Key defender/key forward, Ht 194cm, Wt 89kg, DOB 11/2/1999 Bendigo Pioneers/Allies
7. Jaidyn Stephenson Half-forward, Ht 189cm, Wt 76kg, DOB 15/1/1999 Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
8. Jack Higgins Small forward/midfielder, Ht 178cm, Wt 76kg, DOB 19/3/1999 Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
9. Lochie O'Brien Midfielder, Ht 184cm, Wt 75kg, DOB 18/9/1999 Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
10. Sam Hayes Ruckman/key forward, Ht 203cm, Wt 93kg, DOB 9/6/1999 Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
11. Paddy Dow Midfielder, Ht 184cm, Wt 78kg, DOB 16/10/1999 Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
12. Hunter Clark Half-back/midfielder, Ht 186cm, Wt 79kg, DOB 26/3/1999 Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
13. Connor Ballenden Key forward, Ht 199cm, Wt 95kg, DOB 29/3/1999 Brisbane Lions academy/Allies
14. Patrick Naish Midfielder, Ht 183cm, Wt 73kg, DOB 15/1/1999 Northern Knights/Vic Metro
Naish gives the top end of the draft genuine dash. The wingman loves to tuck the ball under his arm and go for a run, and then use his penetrating right-foot kicking to spot up a target. It is the combination of these two facets of his game – the drive and the disposal – that set him apart. One of Naish's best games of the carnival came at what may well become his AFL home, Punt Road Oval, where he gathered 24 disposals and kicked two goals. The Richmond father-son prospect (his dad Chris played 143 games for the Tigers) loves a goal and regularly hits the scoreboard.
15. Joel Garner Half-back/midfielder, Ht 183cm, Wt 81kg, DOB 21/5/1999 Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
16. Nick Coffield Midfielder/half-back, Ht 190cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 23/10/1999 Northern Knights/Vic Metro
17. Jack Petruccelle Half-back/half-forward, Ht 184cm, Wt 73kg, DOB 12/4/1999 Northern Knights/Vic Metro
18. Charlie Constable Midfielder, Ht 190cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 23/10/1999 Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
19. Oscar Allen Key forward, Ht 191cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 19/3/1999 West Perth/Western Australia
20. Aaron Naughton Key defender, Ht 194cm, Wt 84kg, DOB 30/11/1999 Peel Thunder/Western Australia
21. Lachlan Fogarty Midfielder, Ht 179cm, Wt 75kg, DOB 1/4/1999 Western Jets/Vic Metro
22. Andrew Brayshaw Midfielder, Ht 183cm, Wt 80kg, DOB 8/11/1999 Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
23. Callum Coleman-Jones Ruckman/key forward, Ht 201cm, Wt 98kg, DOB 13/6/1999 Sturt/South Australia
24. Noah Balta Key defender, Ht 194cm, Wt 92kg, DOB 23/10/1999 Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
25. Matthew Ling Midfielder, Ht 182cm, Wt 74kg, DOB 21/4/1999 Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-06/callum-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-july-edition
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Would anyone consider trading both picks for say pick 10 to get Sam Hayes.
Kpf gotta be on top of the list.
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Fox Footy's Top 20:
1. Rayner
2. Higgins
3. Davies-Uniacke
4. D.Fogarty
5. Sutherland
6. Cerra
7. Brander
8. Stephenson
9. Coffield
10. Dow
11. Naish
12. Constable
13. Hayes
14. Allen
15. Ballenden
16. Garner
17. Brayshaw
18. Naughton
19. James Worpel Midfield, Ht 185cm, Wt 84kg Geelong/Vic Country
20. Balta
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2017-draft-board-power-rankings-top-20-prospects-after-2017-under-18-national-carnival/news-story/6a6f4c20556830f0162232c775e2ac33
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Draft analysis: Who's hot? Who needs to lift?
afl.com.au
7 July 2017
THE END of the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships gives us a chance to take stock of where things sit with this year's draft pool. Here are a few key questions surrounding the 2017 crop.
How's it shaping up?
It is set to be a draft dominated early by midfielders and smaller types, with a few taller prospects thrown in as first-round picks. Recruiters have different takes on the strength of this year's pool, but it's probably fair to say of the top class, more players have dropped back than jumped up across the year.
Some scouts are enthused about the quality of the depth available even if the first round may not at this stage appear as strong as some previous years. Already some are talking about next year's group as being more exciting, and on impressions so far it is looking strong. But the grass is always greener in that respect.
The likes of Adam Cerra, Cam Rayner, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Paddy Dow, Jack Higgins and Patrick Naish are among the leading midfielders for 2017, while Jarrod Brander, Darcy Fogarty, Sam Hayes and Will Sutherland, should he choose footy over cricket, headline the talls available.
Who enhanced their stocks?
There were plenty to push up the board through the championships. Right at the pointy end, Rayner couldn't have done much more. He started the carnival rated one of the leading prospects and lived up to that, kicking 12 goals and powering through the midfield.
Higgins and Naish were equally as impressive, while Nick Coffield and Charlie Constable were other Vic Metro midfielders to lift their stocks. Smalls Dylan Moore and Gryan Miers used their aerobic base and goal sense to show their traits, while midfielders Zac Bailey, Brayden Ainsworth, Trent Mynott, Ryley Stoddart and Adelaide father-son prospect Jackson Edwards were others to go well.
Of the taller draft hopefuls, nobody increased their standing more than West Australian Oscar Allen, who claimed the Larke Medal after a consistent carnival as his side's leading forward. Allen works hard, is a good mark and converts his chances. Teammate Aaron Naughton, a key defender who was named WA's MVP, also pushed his name into top-20 considerations.
Harrison Petty was reliable as a key defender for South Australia, and Jordan Houlahan's leap and marking strength makes him an eye-catcher who could jump up the rankings in the last part of the year. Ben Paton was the best performed over-ager, having been overlooked last year, to be a consistent rebounder for Vic Country.
Who has more to show?
Connor Ballenden has had an inconsistent season so far, but found some of his best form behind the ball in the final two Allies games. Hopefully he can take that into the back half of the year with the Brisbane Lions NEAFL side.
Noah Balta and Jack Petruccelle are exciting prospects with real AFL qualities, particularly in their athleticism. However, they were quiet through the national carnival and will return to the TAC Cup keen to show their wares.
Fogarty remains a likely early pick, and is still probably the first South Australian selected. But the powerful 192cm forward couldn't get going in the championships, and ended the carnival in the backline.
Was anyone missing?
Andrew McPherson remains one of South Australia's best players but didn't feature at all throughout the carnival as he dealt with a nagging quad injury. It's a shame, as he's a hard-working, no fuss prospect who can be deployed in a number of positions, including the midfield and across half back. His endurance base is a key trait.
Noah Answerth is another who didn't play at all. Answerth fractured his back in the second round of the TAC Cup this year playing for the Oakleigh Chargers, but would have been eligible to feature for Vic Metro. His size, athleticism and traits as an attacking half-back mean he might still get a shot despite the serious season-ending injury.
Charlie Spargo played the first round for the Allies but had shoulder surgery after that which will rule him out for the rest of the season, while Andrew Brayshaw returned from some soft-tissue issues in the middle of the carnival for Vic Metro. His two games were promising and he could push into the top-20 as things go on.
How are the academy and father-son academy kids going?
Ballenden started the year as a possible No.1 pick in the eyes of recruiters, but isn't at that point now. He probably sits later in the first round. Tall backman Jack Payne has emerged as a possible Lions academy pick after a solid under-18 academy series.
The Giants don't have any top-end academy picks coming through for the first time in three years, but Jack Powell, Nick Shipley, Nathan Richards and Tom Highmore may get a look in later on. James Bell and zippy forward Jack Hardman appear the best shots for the Swans academy, while ruckman Brayden Crossley, tied to Gold Coast's academy, showed his aggressive streak in a good carnival for the Allies.
Naish tops the father-son group. The Tigers prospect has had a fantastic season and could attract a top-10 bid, such is his run and carry and elite kicking skills. The Crows will continue to monitor Edwards and he has pushed his name into second-round contention, while Tyler Brown, the son of Collingwood great Gavin, has been improving in form at TAC Cup level for the Eastern Ranges. He has plenty of upside.
And No.1… Who is it?
Rayner has the edge at this point. His capacity to impact games in many ways makes him a special talent, and he's lifted at every level this season. It's been the type of year that No.1 picks produce.
Davies-Uniacke is right in the conversation as well. He has plenty of traits that will see him in the top handful of most clubs' draft boards: he's tough, competitive, has a turn of pace, is a big body and has a better engine than Rayner.
Cerra isn't far off, if Brander can continue his form from the final game of the carnival then he could be a show, while Sutherland could tempt some if he goes and blitzes at TAC Cup level from here. But Rayner is best placed as it stands.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-07/draft-analysis-whos-moving-up-who-needs-to-lift-no1
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Anyone know much about Ryley Stoddart or Trent Mynott? Both boys from the Eastern Ranges
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As of the end of Round 16, we currently have picks 13, 16, 48, 52, 66, 84, ...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-11/indicative-draft-order-your-clubs-picks-after-r16
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Can't we use a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks to get Naish?
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Can't we use a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks to get Naish?
If the points add up - yep
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Can't we use a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks to get Naish?
If the points add up - yep
You could but would roughly need 4-6 picks depending on where that are.
Picks above 72 don't hold any points value. The start of the 3rd round pick (37) is roughlr worth 450 points but it goes down hill pretty quick from there.
Start of 4th round is only worth 50 points
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Can't we use a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks to get Naish?
If the points add up - yep
You could but would roughly need 4-6 picks depending on where that are.
Picks above 72 don't hold any points value. The start of the 3rd round pick (37) is roughlr worth 450 points but it goes down hill pretty quick from there.
Start of 4th round is only worth 50 points
If we trade out some players for picks this is the way to go. Miles could get us good return value if we decide to move him on.
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AFL draft 2017, best prospects order, list, date, top 10, prospects, bolters, sliders — Draft Watch
July 12, 2017 11:14am
Ben Waterworth
FOX SPORTS
WITH the AFL Under 18 national championships concluding last week, it’s time to take a deep breath and assess the state of play ahead of the draft.
Prior to the carnival, there was no clear, Jacob Weitering-style Pick 1 standout. That all had changed by tournament’s end.
Several other bolters enhanced their prospects, while a couple may have slid down a few draft boards.
And Richmond and Adelaide fans would be thrilled with their father-son prospects.
Plus we list the first 20 indicative picks (after Round 16) for November’s national draft, which will be held on Sydney on Friday 24 November.
Welcome to AFL Draft Watch, with all numbers courtesy of Champion Data.
THE PICK 1 RACE
Prior to the champs, there was no clear first-pick standout. Then Cameron Rayner kicked 12 goals from four games and averaged 11 contested possessions per outing to surge into Pick 1 favouritism. The Dustin Martin comparisons won’t stop — and rightly so, as his explosiveness, goalkicking nous and ball-winning ability is reminiscent of the star Tiger.
The other on-baller in contention is Luke Davies-Uniacke, who — unlike Rayner but like most of his Vic Country teammates — didn’t have a consistent carnival. The Dandenong Stingray began with a powerful, dominant display against the Allies, finishing with 34 disposals, 10 marks, five inside 50s and four clearances. But besides an excellent first half against Vic Metro, he struggled to assert his authority in the remaining three games. Word is he may have been carrying an injury throughout the tournament.
Jarrod Brander, who’s no longer attached to the GWS Academy due to a re-zoning in March, bookended his campaign superbly and proved why he’s one of the best utilities in this year’s draft class. Against Vic Country, Brander starred down back with 20 disposals, nine rebound 50s and four marks. Then in his side’s thrilling upset win over the Allies, Brander turned the heads of all on-lookers with a massive game up forward, kicking three goals from 16 disposals and nine marks.
THE BOLTERS
Oscar Allen had produced impressive games in the WAFL Colts, but to star on the national stage would’ve pleased on-lookers greatly. Allen won the Larke Medal as the best player of the championships and was named All-Australian full-forward after booting an impressive 11 goals. A hybrid forward at 191cm, Allen now looms as his state’s best prospect ahead of November’s national draft.
The other WA product to enhance his prospects was co-captain Aaron Naughton. The 194cm key backman was the champs’ No. 1 ranked key defender heading into WA’s final game before finishing his campaign in fine style against Vic Country, taking 10 marks from 17 disposals.
A Vic Metro trio also took giant steps. Utility Nick Coffield and ball magnet Charlie Constable are both now in first-round contention after averaging 24 and 27 disposals respectively in the carnival, while captain Joel Garner starred across half-back, racking up more intercept possessions than any other player throughout the champs.
And as the season has progressed, Country’s Paddy Dow has continued to rise up draft boards right around the country. He finished with impressive carnival numbers: 19 disposals, 12.2 contested possessions and 5.2 clearances.
THE SLIDERS
Some believe he’s still in Pick 1 contention due to his size and immense talent, but Darcy Fogarty’s 2017 carnival was well below his best. While the South Australian carried a knee injury during the champs, he wasn’t able to produce a standout four-quarter performance. Should still go in the top 10 though.
Lions Academy prospect Connor Ballenden, however, is probably out of top 10 contention at this stage. The 199cm, 95kg big man had a patchy start to his carnival up forward before pushing into the backline to have an influence as tall intercepting defender. Ballenden is still likely to be bid on in the first round — a bid the Lions are near certain to match — but at one stage earlier this season he was in top-five contention.
It’s certainly not panic stations for Vic Country pair Lochie O’Brien and Hunter Clark, but both would’ve been disappointed with their respective champs campaigns. O’Brien, an outside midfielder with a lovely left-foot kick, missed the first game with a knee injury then played one and a half good matches. Like O’Brien, Clark is still a potential first-rounder, but averaged just 15.3 disposals across the four games.
THE SURPRISE PACKETS
Northern Territory midfielder Zac Bailey was arguably the surprise packet of the champs and was recognised with All-Australian selection. He led the Allies to victory over Vic Metro and averaged 17.3 touches per game in what turned into a consistent campaign.
Harrison Petty and Charlie Ballard were among South Australia’s best players. Petty won his state’s MVP award and All-Australian honours as a reliable tall intercept defender, while Ballard excelled as a tall wingman to average 18 disposals per game. Teammate Stefan Giro kicked five goals and averaged 23.8 disposals to throw his name in the mix.
WA top-ager Brayden Ainsworth, who moved from Esperance to Subiaco at the start of the year to give an AFL career another crack, was his state’s most consistent midfielder during the champs, averaging 24 disposals, 12.8 contested possessions, 6.5 clearances and 4.3 tackles.
POSSIBLE BARGAINS
On paper, Jack Higgins should be in Pick 1 contention. But a lack of height (178cm) plus questions over his improvement ceiling mean he could be in middle to late first-round contention. Should that come to fruition in November, whichever club picks Higgins up will have an absolute bargain, after he booted six goals and averaged more ranking points and disposals than any other player throughout the champs — all while kicking the ball at 74 per cent efficiency. There’s a lot of now-Sun Ben Ainsworth about him, but he wins more of the footy.
Also keep an eye on Andrew Brayshaw — the brother of Demon Angus Brayshaw. The Sandringham Dragon cracked into the Metro side for the final two games of the carnival and was among his side’s best on both occasions, racking up 20 and 22 touches respectively. A natural ball-winner with great pace and a long kick, Brayshaw looms as a late first-round, early second-round steal.
Vic Country co-captain and MVP James Worpel will likely be taken in the second round at the earliest, but he plays AFL footy in 2018. He has a ready-made frame and a knack for winning the footy, while his outside game has improved significantly over the past 12 months.
Top-ager Ben Paton carried his excellent TAC Cup form into the carnival and thrived, winning All-Australian honours after showing off his pinpoint kicking skills and excellent intercept ability. Metro midfielder Dylan Moore racked up huge numbers across the champs, averaging 23 disposals, 11.2 contested possessions and three clearances.
And there’s a lot to like about Brent Daniels. A small forward who can also push up the ground, the Geelong Falcon kicked six goals from his four champs games.
THE FATHER-SON HOPEFULS
Both Richmond and Adelaide fans will be thrilled with their potential father-son picks for this year’s draft.
Patrick Naish, the son of former Tiger Chris Naish, is not just the best father-son prospect of 2017, he’s arguably in top-10 contention. An explosive runner with a booming right boot, Naish was one of Vic Metro’s most consistent performers, booting three goals and averaging 21.8 touches from his four games. Expect an early bid on Naish — and definitely expect Richmond to match it.
Crows fans would’ve been pleased with Jackson Edwards’ very consistent carnival for South Australia. Edwards, the son of Adelaide champion Tyson Edwards, was his state’s most reliable midfielder, finishing with impressive disposal counts in all four games: 23 (Western Australia), 22 (Allies), 21 (Vic Metro) then finishing a team-high 30 (Vic Country). Doesn’t have the same class, but there’s a lot of Simon Black about how Edwards moves around a footy field.
DON’T FORGET THE INJURED
It was a shame we only saw Charlie Spargo play once for the Allies after picking up a season-ending shoulder injury. But Spargo, a ball-winning, goalkicking pocket rocket, has already proven over the past 18 months that he has AFL attributes and the talent to have an impact at the top level. First or second-round pick still.
South Australian vice-captain Andrew McPherson wasn’t able to play a game for his state due to a quad injury, but the no-fuss running half-back is still worthy of at least second-round selection, potentially earlier.
A huge blow over the weekend for emerging SA interceptor Lachie Pascoe, who ruptured his ACL playing for Norwood on the weekend and will miss the rest of the season.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-watch-bolters-sliders-and-steals-in-draft-state-of-play/news-story/f179ba0e25081598177760caa2d02524
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Can't we use a bunch of 3rd and 4th round picks to get Naish?
you HAVE to use your next pick, you can then use later picks to get the points value
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These "experts" are surely all extracting the urine out of Richmond...no way this kid's worth a first rounder.....looks mediocre & soft...have more than enough of that already...
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These "experts" are surely all extracting the urine out of Richmond...no way this kid's worth a first rounder.....looks mediocre & soft...have more than enough of that already...
I think in most instances they think he's outside the top 10 but then they look at Richmonds history of top 10 picks in Conca, Oakley-Nicholls and Tambling and they just know we can't resist taking him in the top 10
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Plough's top 20 post-U18 Champs:
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https://twitter.com/FutureStarsTV/status/886524151632084992
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Will Sutherland has chosen cricket and so is not in the draft.....
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Will Sutherland has chosen cricket and so is not in the draft.....
Only pushes Naish up the order :banghead
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weren't they saying they were more pumped about this crop than last years crop when last years crop were coming through? stuff they talk so much utter garbage, they change their tune more than a Bhangara music festival
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Will Sutherland has chosen cricket and so is not in the draft.....
Unless we were planning on trading our two first round picks for a top five pick - means stuff all to us....
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weren't they saying they were more pumped about this crop than last years crop when last years crop were coming through? stuff they talk so much utter garbage, they change their tune more than a Bhangara music festival
yep, they all but flopped em out for a group circle twang when talking about this years crop last year
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2018 is the superdraft. :shh
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Top shelf loaded…but cupboard bare below
By Brett Anderson
SEN
This year’s draft class lacks the depth of the 2016 edition — and potentially that of 2018 — but it still has quality at the top end.
In keeping with an even and unpredictable AFL season, how I rank the prospects right now [post U18 Champs] is quite different to how I projected them leading into the year.
Reminder: This is purely my rankings, not a mock draft – that will come in November.
17. Patrick NAISH – Northern Knights
DOB: 15/1/99 | Ht: 180.2cm | Wt: 69.1kg
Naish looms as Richmond’s best father-son prospect in many years, probably since David Bourke in the early 2000s. He is a bubbly outside midfielder who can also play at half back and break the lines, or across half forward where his nose for goal is akin to that shown by his dad, Chris, during his days at Tigerland.
He has booted a couple of big bags of goals for Ivanhoe in the AGS competition. He is a penetrating kick but at times can be a bit too adventurous with his decisions leading to bad turnovers.
His contested ball winning is a work in progress, but should improve with added body size and strength, but he needs to be a more committed tackler once he gets to the next level.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/07/09/2017-big-board-1-0-or-top-shelf-loaded-but-cupboard-bare-below/
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Best f/s since Twiggy Bourke eh? Can't wait.... :clapping :gotigers :clapping
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Best f/s since Twiggy Bourke eh? Can't wait.... :clapping :gotigers :clapping
Ah yes. David "Mr Glass" Bourke could jump higher than Cazaly, but would break on the way down.
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David Bourke :birthday
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Bourke was in 1994
Bowden 1995
Who edits this poo
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Tipping this kid will be a Reece McKenzie-like steal....but minus the companion black dog, so better.... :shh
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-watch-paddy-mccartins-brother-impresses-early-jack-higgins-footy-dedication/news-story/076519ed494944022ce3442b11f91502
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Reckon it's worth looking at Jonty Scharenberg & Sam Walker as a couple of late picks/rookies....both were u'18 AA's overlooked in last year's draft after being widely tipped as top 30 picks....
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Reckon it's worth looking at Jonty Scharenberg & Sam Walker as a couple of late picks/rookies....both were u'18 AA's overlooked in last year's draft after being widely tipped as top 30 picks....
Scharenberg missing out was a weird one. I can sort of accept that he didn't get picked up in the National Draft, but was amazed at the time that he didn't get selected as a rookie pick.
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Naish now a top 10 pick according to Callum Twomey.
1. Rayner
3. Davies-Uniacke
3. Cerra
4. Dow
5. Brander
6. Stephenson
7. D.Fogarty
8. Higgins
9. Hayes
10. Naish
POS: Midfielder, Ht 183cm, Wt 73kg, DOB 15/1/1999
From Northern Knights/Vic Metro
July ranking: 14
The likely Richmond father-son pick has had a terrific season that saw him selected in the NAB AFL Under-18 All Australian side after the national championships. The son of former Tiger Chris is a light-bodied midfielder who has shown a penchant for pushing forward and kicking goals. He's a long and driving kick, and has a genuine goal-sense to his game that makes him a dangerous player. Will need to add some size, but his development this year has been promising and he loves to take things on.
11. Coffield
12. Naughton
13. Brayshaw
14. Clark
15. O'Brien
16. Constable
17. Allen
18. Ballenden
19. Balta
20. Garner
21. Petruccelle
22. L.Fogarty
23. Murphy
24. Moore
25. Spargo
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-17/callum-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-august-edition
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If Naish is top 10 then it really is a peeweak draft....
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Brett Anderson was saying yesterday he'd be shocked if Richmond had to give up one of there draft picks for him.
Anderson has him going between 25 and 30.
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Joel Garner sounds a likely type. Anyone know much about him other than what is on the AFL website?
Sounds like he would be around at one of our first round picks, and sounds like he might be a Houli replacement going forward.
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And there are lots of jokes about Joel Garner.... :whistle
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Naish now a top 10 pick according to Callum Twomey.
1. Rayner
3. Davies-Uniacke
3. Cerra
4. Dow
5. Brander
6. Stephenson
7. D.Fogarty
8. Higgins
9. Hayes
10. Naish
POS: Midfielder, Ht 183cm, Wt 73kg, DOB 15/1/1999
From Northern Knights/Vic Metro
July ranking: 14
The likely Richmond father-son pick has had a terrific season that saw him selected in the NAB AFL Under-18 All Australian side after the national championships. The son of former Tiger Chris is a light-bodied midfielder who has shown a penchant for pushing forward and kicking goals. He's a long and driving kick, and has a genuine goal-sense to his game that makes him a dangerous player. Will need to add some size, but his development this year has been promising and he loves to take things on.
11. Coffield
12. Naughton
13. Brayshaw
14. Clark
15. O'Brien
16. Constable
17. Allen
18. Ballenden
19. Balta
20. Garner
21. Petruccelle
22. L.Fogarty
23. Murphy
24. Moore
25. Spargo
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-17/callum-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-august-edition
Brander(195) & Hayes (203) sound decent. :huh
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Can someone please explain how this works.
can we keep the 2 first rounders and then select this guy with later picks?
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Can someone please explain how this works.
can we keep the 2 first rounders and then select this guy with later picks?
We'll have to give up a first rounder if someone puts in a bid after our first pick.
Say we have pick 16, if someone bids any higher than that for him we have to give up pick 16 if we want him.
If no one bids on him in the first round then we can get him with points from accumulated later picks.
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Can someone please explain how this works.
can we keep the 2 first rounders and then select this guy with later picks?
We'll have to give up a first rounder if someone puts in a bid after our first pick.
Say we have pick 16, if someone bids any higher than that for him we have to give up pick 16 if we want him.
If no one bids on him in the first round then we can get him with points from accumulated later picks.
Dont you mean if someone puts in a bid before our first pick?
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Can someone please explain how this works.
can we keep the 2 first rounders and then select this guy with later picks?
We'll have to give up a first rounder if someone puts in a bid after our first pick.
Say we have pick 16, if someone bids any higher than that for him we have to give up pick 16 if we want him.
If no one bids on him in the first round then we can get him with points from accumulated later picks.
Dont you mean if someone puts in a bid before our first pick?
Yep sorry :-[
Prior to our first pick :thumbsup
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Swans win carries silver lining for Tigers
afl.com.au
12 September 2017
A SYDNEY victory on Friday night against Geelong will carry a silver lining for Richmond supporters.
A Cats loss would move the Tigers up one spot in the first round of the 2017 NAB AFL Draft, from 15th to 14th as Richmond secured Geelong's first pick when it was on-traded to the Tigers last year from Greater Western Sydney to secure Brett Deledio.
That would give the Tigers an extra 49 draft bidding points to use on potential father-son selection Patrick Naish, who is likely to attract a bid within the top 20 selections at the November draft.
It might not seem much but it could help the Tigers secure Naish and retain the second pick if another club bids for the father-son prospect before Richmond's first selection.
Even if the second pick was pushed back after the bidding process, the points may leave the Tigers a valuable spot higher in the draft order in the second round.
Although Tiger fans might prefer to see the Swans eliminated from the premiership race, given their potential to be a tough match-up if they happen to face them in a Grand Final, Richmond supporters could at least find solace in the elevated draft position.
The Tigers will also benefit marginally from a Giants loss to West Coast with its current pick No.50 potentially moving up to pick No.49 depending on semi-final results.
Richmond did not have a top 20 pick last season but has developed a list good enough to make this season's preliminary final.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-12/swans-win-to-carry-a-silver-lining-for-tigers
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Not worth two of our teen picks (stringer). Need one for Balta
Is Bolta good enough for top 20?? :huh
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Not worth two of our teen picks (stringer). Need one for Balta
Is Bolta good enough for top 20?? :huh
Coming off knee reco and would probably have been top 10 if he hadn't been injured IIRC.... :shh
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Charlie Ballard is a Tiger supporter.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/east-hills/sport/sturt-under18-player-charlie-ballard-is-one-of-sas-top-afl-draft-picks/news-story/90ac44ad0522c6166182cef9f53c72ff
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So was Nat Fyfe
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Naish-Balta-tengrove
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Charlie Ballard is a Tiger supporter.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/east-hills/sport/sturt-under18-player-charlie-ballard-is-one-of-sas-top-afl-draft-picks/news-story/90ac44ad0522c6166182cef9f53c72ff
Draft him
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So was Nat Fyfe
Yep, sure was.
I know his father, who is also a big Tigers fan, and I tried to get his dad to get Nat to leave Freo and go to the Tigers.
But I said he would have to take a sizeable pay cut.
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So was Nat Fyfe
Yep, sure was.
I know his father, who is also a big Tigers fan, and I tried to get his dad to get Nat to leave Freo and go to the Tigers.
But I said he would have to take a sizeable pay cut.
At least you tried
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Callum Twomey's phantom pick 1-15 draft on Trade Radio today:
Pick 1 - Cam Rayner (Brisbane Lions)
Pick 2 - Luke Davies-Uniacke (Gold Coast)
Pick 3 - Paddy Dow (Carlton)
Pick 4 - Adam Cerra (North Melbourne)
Pick 5 - Aaron Naughton (Freo)
Pick 6 - Jarrod Brander (Pies)
Pick 7 - Andrew Brayshaw (Saints)
Pick 8 - Jaidyn Stephenson (Saints)
Pick 9 - Nick Coffield (Dogs)
Pick 10 - Darcy Fogarty (Crows)
Pick 11 - Jack Higgins (GWS)
Pick 12 - Hunter Clark (Brisbane)
Pick 13 - Oscar Allen (WCE)
Pick 14 - Charlie Constable (SYD)
Pick 15 - Sam Hayes (RICH)
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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Callum Twomey's phantom pick 1-15 draft on Trade Radio today:
Pick 1 - Cam Rayner (Brisbane Lions)
Pick 2 - Luke Davies-Uniacke (Gold Coast)
Pick 3 - Paddy Dow (Carlton)
Pick 4 - Adam Cerra (North Melbourne)
Pick 5 - Aaron Naughton (Freo)
Pick 6 - Jarrod Brander (Pies)
Pick 7 - Andrew Brayshaw (Saints)
Pick 8 - Jaidyn Stephenson (Saints)
Pick 9 - Nick Coffield (Dogs)
Pick 10 - Darcy Fogarty (Crows)
Pick 11 - Jack Higgins (GWS)
Pick 12 - Hunter Clark (Brisbane)
Pick 13 - Oscar Allen (WCE)
Pick 14 - Charlie Constable (SYD)
Pick 15 - Sam Hayes (RICH)
https://twitter.com/traderadio
If Hayes slipped to 15 we'd be lucky. Best ruck in the pool and can genuinely play fwd. 203cm.
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Commandment #1: Thou shalt not use thy first round pick(s) on ye men of ruck.
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Balta and Bonar available for us at that point! Gee I hope it goes that way..... :pray
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I'll be amazed if Allen goes that high, unless someone thinks he can play midfield.
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If Hayes slipped to 15 we'd be lucky. Best ruck in the pool and can genuinely play fwd. 203cm.
Mmmm I was excited until you used these in the same breath
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No early nomination for Patrick Naish in that mock.
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We will select 3 very good players with our first three picks. Plenty of quality in the top 30. Well done to our team securing these picks coming off a premiership year :cheers
And Naish will be a solid player :shh
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Totally agree not many premiership teams have 3 picks in top 25.Great work.
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well you can throw Cal's phantom crap out the window , what we looking at for pick 17? Naish? haha
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Gary Buckenara rates Naish at 7.
He has Noah Balta at our pick 17 and Andrew Brayshaw (brother of Angus) at our pick 20.
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Top 30 AFL draft prospects, players for 2017 draft: Gary Buckenara’s list
GARY BUCKENARA,
Herald Sun
20 October 2017
WITH the the trade period now finished, every club knows exactly what draft picks it holds ahead of November's national draft.
So what better time to take a look at the top 30 players in this year’s pool from former Hawthorn recruiter Gary Buckenara.
Buckenara has tracked these players and their improvements as draft time approaches, including at the U18 championships.
READ GARY BUCKENARA’S TOP 30 DRAFT PROSPECTS BELOW
1. DARCY FOGARTY
Half-forward/midfielder, 192cm, 92kg, Glenelg/South Australia
Buckenara says: Darcy has been restricted by some injury problems this year and he just couldn’t get going in the U18 championships for South Australia. He was used in different roles during the championships and we saw a glimpse of his talent when he was played in defence in the final clash against Vic Country. Fogarty is a tough, physical and imposing type when up and going. He’s a great mark and a damaging kick and is big enough to play as a leading target in attack and I believe he has a huge upside and for a club in need of a future third tall forward or possibly a defender. I’ve got him rated as No.1 because he’s so flexible in that he can play forward but also play a role down back, similar to what Jack Gunston has done in the second half of this season. I don’t think he’ll go No.1 but I would put him there because I think he’s a class player and will be a star.
Plays like: Stronger Jack Gunston and Jake Stringer
Clubs suited: Brisbane, Carlton, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Gold Coast, Fremantle/ All clubs would be interested
2. CAMERON RAYNER
Half-forward/midfielder, 187cm, 88kg, Western Jets/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: The powerful midfielder/half-forward reminds me of watching a young Dustin Martin. Rayner ticks a lot of boxes — he’s a long and penetrating kick on both feet, has a leap to take grabs in the air, is dangerous in attack, quick off the mark and at U18 level he is strong at stoppages. He showed all of those traits and more through the national carnival, having a brilliant few weeks for Vic Metro and his dominant five-goal haul against South Australia in Round 4 showcased his ability inside 50, while his 23-disposal and six-clearance effort against WA highlighted his midfield capacity. There’s a lot to like about Rayner and I am sure as he gets used to playing against the bigger and stronger bodies at AFL level he could become an elite player.
Plays like: Dustin Martin
Clubs suited: Brisbane, Carlton, North Melbourne, Hawthorn, Gold Coast/ All clubs would be interested
3. LUKE DAVIES-UNIACKE
Midfielder, 187cm, 85kg, Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
Buckenara says: Luke is a tough, composed and hard-working midfielder and he was outstanding when he steered Vic Country to a win over the Allies with 34 disposals and 10 marks during the championships. Despite not having quite the same impact thereafter, recruiters are well aware of his talents. Davies-Uniacke is the right size for a modern midfielder and I really like that he’s so competitive, a good kick and has a turn of speed — his breakaway goal from a centre clearance against Vic Metro in Round 3 of the carnival showed everyone his talent. He is a prospect I can see playing some AFL football in 2018 and with luck, I’m sure he will have a good career.
Plays like: Modern-day tall midfielder similar to Nat Fyfe
Clubs suited: Brisbane, Carlton, North Melbourne, Gold Coast/All clubs would be interested
4. JACK HIGGINS
Small forward/midfielder, 178cm, 76kg, Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: Higgins showed he is a ‘real footballer’ during the carnival and across the TAC Cup year. He is a determined, dedicated and professional and his game against Western Australia, where he finished with 30 disposals (including 22 in the first half), seven clearances and two goals demonstrated he is more than just a clever and dangerous small forward — he can also go into the midfield and be damaging because he’s such a tenacious player. Higgins is a very clever kick on both feet, has adequate speed, uses his body well in marking contests and loves a goal. Pound for pound there aren’t too many better players in this draft — something good usually happens when he has the ball.
Plays like: Jeff Garlett, Liam Picken
Clubs suited: Brisbane, Carlton, North Melbourne, Fremantle, West Coast, Geelong
5. SAM HAYES
Ruckman/key forward, 203cm, 93kg, Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: The Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro big man is one of the best ruck/forwards in this year’s crop. Sam didn’t have the greatest carnival but his clever tap work was on display and he has proven at under-18 level this season he is more than a ruckman. Hayes can push forward and kick goals — he booted six for the Ranges in one game playing as a permanent forward. He does need to improve his fitness but has plenty of upside and these types of players are so hard to find so a club won’t have any hesitation in pouncing on him with an early pick because his values will be huge.
Plays like: David Hale, Max Gawn
Clubs suited: Brisbane, Carlton, North Melbourne, Gold Coast, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Geelong/All clubs would be interested
6. ADAM CERRA
Midfielder, 186cm, 85kg, Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: Cerra didn’t dominate at this year’s U18 carnival but he is a midfielder that is classy by foot, has a big engine, makes good decisions with ball in hand and wins the ball at stoppages. He also doesn’t appear panicked when under pressure, which is an important trait AFL clubs are looking for in players. A knee injury limited Cerra last season but he has had a year of consistent performances in 2017, which makes him one of the leading midfielders up for grabs in this year’s draft. He is a powerful player.
Plays like: Patrick Dangerfield
Clubs suited: Brisbane, Carlton, North Melbourne, Gold Coast, Fremantle, Essendon/All clubs would be interested
7. PATRICK NAISH (Father-son opportunity for Richmond)
Midfielder, 183cm, 73kg, Northern Knights/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: Naish gives the top end of the draft some genuine pace and he loves to tuck the ball under his arm and take them on and with his penetrating right-foot kicking, is a combination that will be attractive to all clubs. The Richmond father-son prospect (his dad Chris Naish played 143 games for the Tigers) would be a great fit for them and when a quality father-son pick comes along it is dangerous to overlook them, especially if they end up at another club and become a star. A first-round bid will come for Naish and I have no doubt Richmond will match it. He has really developed and impressed this year.
Plays like: Jordan De Goey
Clubs suited: Richmond — the Tigers won’t let another club draft him
8. JARROD BRANDER
Key defender/key forward, 194cm, 89kg, Bendigo Pioneers/Allies
Buckenara says: The 194cm Brander appears better placed as a key forward than a key defender at this stage despite spending most of his carnival down back with the Allies. But when he was moved forward in the final game he really stood out, playing an outstanding game in which he kicked three goals from 16 disposals and nine marks. He is one of the leading taller types in the 2017 draft — he has been a bit inconsistent so far this year but as I often say, potential key position players are always harder to find so clubs must take him when they’re available. Brander is a good mark, a long right-foot kick and is capable of influencing a game at either end of the ground.
Plays like: Josh Bruce
Clubs suited: Collingwood, North Melbourne, Carlton, Fremantle/All clubs would be interested
9. LOCHIE O’BRIEN
Midfielder, 184cm, 75kg, Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
Buckenara says: O’Brien is an elite runner and brilliant kick and as a rebound defender or outside midfielder he is a potentially very damaging player of the future. He sets up the play and makes things happen because he breaks the lines and isn’t afraid of taking on the opposition. A knee injury ruled him out of the Vic Country’s first game but he impressed after that, showing his ball-winning ability, particularly against Western Australia.
Plays like: Isaac Smith
Clubs suited: St Kilda, North Melbourne, Brisbane, Carlton, Fremantle, Collingwood, Essendon/All clubs would be interested
10. JAIDYN STEPHENSON
Half forward, 189cm, 76kg, Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: A high half forward, Stephenson has been around the TAC Cup scene with the Eastern Ranges for three seasons now. He impressed during the U18 carnival, with five goals from 28 disposals against South Australia his best outing when he played on the wing and was able to find space, link up with teammates and most importantly, hit the scoreboard. Stephenson is wiry but is a very good mark because he has a big leap but he’s also dangerous when the ball hits the ground. He also has the ability to manufacture something from nothing. He would be an ideal high half forward that could also push into the midfield.
Plays like: Jack Riewoldt
Clubs suited: Collingwood, Fremantle, Carlton, St Kilda, Sydney, Port Adelaide/All clubs would be interested
11. NICK COFFIELD
Midfielder/half back, 190cm, 83kg, Northern Knights/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: Coffield’s combination of speed and size makes him a very attractive player. The Northern Knights captain has played his best football across half back this year but he can also move into the midfield and push forward to kick a goal, which he did for Vic Metro against Western Australia in Round 2 of the national carnival. He is quick and agile and was one of the best afield in Metro’s final game when he had 29 disposals and seven marks against the Allies.
Plays like: Grant Birchall
Clubs suited: North Melbourne, Hawthorn, Fremantle, Collingwood, Western Bulldogs, Brisbane/ All clubs would be interested
12. AARON NAUGHTON
Key defender, 194cm, 84kg, Peel Thunder/Western Australia
Buckenara says: Naughton had a really good carnival as he led Western Australia’s defence through and more than that, he was one of their most reliable players. Most impressively he was able to shut down his opponents as a genuine key position defender, while also offering serviceable rebound. The 194cm prospect will have plenty of admirers because his ability to read the play is outstanding and can be the type of player to back himself and take marks from opposition kicks.
Plays like: Steven May/Brian Lake
Clubs suited: Collingwood, North Melbourne, Fremantle, West Coast, Brisbane, Sydney/All clubs would be interested
13. CHARLIE CONSTABLE
Midfielder, 190cm, 83kg, Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: At 190cm Constable is the modern-day midfield prototype. His height gives him an advantage over other players and he uses that to his advantage with his marking around the ground. He also uses his size well at stoppages and is generally a smart footballer who reads the game well. Constable missed Vic Metro selection in its first game of the carnival but he featured prominently in its final three games.
Plays like: Nat Fyfe
Clubs suited: Carlton, Brisbane, North Melbourne, Essendon, St Kilda, Port Adelaide, Richmond, Fremantle/All clubs would be interested
14. LACHLAN FOGARTY
Midfielder, 179cm, 75kg, Western Jets/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: An injury delayed Fogarty’s start to the championships but when he returned with 23 disposals, 12 tackles and two goals against Vic Country in round three it was a quick reminder of his talent. Fogarty is a good kick, is extremely hard working and keeps himself involved in the game with his tackling and work ethic. No relation to Darcy Fogarty.
Plays like: Kieren Jack
Clubs suited: Gold Coast, West Coast, Brisbane, Carlton, North Melbourne/All clubs would be interested
15. PADDY DOW
Midfielder, 184cm, 78kg, Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
Buckenara says: Dow has plenty of natural talent with a genuine turn of speed and good goal sense but he combines that with a strong work ethic. He’s a midfielder with lots of attributes and he had a reasonably consistent carnival for Vic Country without being brilliant. He has a bit of x-factor and is a player to keep an eye on.
Plays like: Patrick Dangerfield
Clubs suited: Adelaide, Brisbane, Carlton, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Gold Coast/All clubs would be interested
16. HUNTER CLARK
Half back/midfielder, 186cm, 79kg, Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
Buckenara says: From the Dandenong Stingrays, Clark is a very fierce competitor and while he can go unnoticed at times, he is prepared to put his body on the line for the good of his team. After playing as a half back in recent seasons, Clark has spent more time through the midfield this season and shown he can win the ball and get it going his side’s way. Clark can kick on both feet and is also a fierce tackler. I am sure he is the type of player that all coaches would love and one thing is for certain, he will definitely make the best of any opportunity given to him to play at the AFL level.
Plays like: Jarryn Geary
Clubs suited: West Coast, Sydney, Gold Coast, Essendon, North Melbourne, Melbourne, Carlton, St Kilda/All clubs would be interested
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17. NOAH BALTA
Key defender, 194cm, 92kg, Calder Cannons/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: Balta is an exciting prospect at this stage of his development because he can come in and show something that really catches the eye, whether it be a booming long kick, an athletic grab or some nice movement for a player his size. He doesn’t have the consistency yet but there’s huge upside there to work with for a club willing to develop him and be patient. He can play as a key defender but as a bit of a project player, who knows where he might end up because he is so raw but I’m sure clubs will see his potential.
Plays like: Alex Rance or a more athletic Brian Lake
Clubs suited: Collingwood, Fremantle, West Coast, Western Bulldogs, North Melbourne, Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong/All clubs would be interested
18. JOEL GARNER
Half back/midfielder, 183cm, 81kg, Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: From the Eastern Ranges, Garner is a nice left-footer who enjoyed an excellent carnival where he played the best football of his season so far. Settling into a position across half back, the Vic Metro captain was a general in defence and he competed well in the air and gave good rebound with his precise skills. I think he is one of the safer picks in this draft and although others have more potential to be elite players, I think with some luck, Garner will have a long AFL career. While he might not be a top five player on a list, he will definitely be a best 22 player — one of the first picked every week — who plays his role consistently week in, week out. All clubs need those dependable types.
Plays like: Grant Birchall
Clubs suited: Western Bulldogs, Brisbane, Collingwood, Gold Coast, Carlton
19. CONNOR BALLANDEN
Key forward/ruckman, 199cm, 95kg, Brisbane Lions Academy/Allies
Buckenara says: A Brisbane Lions Academy prospect, Ballanden can play both up forward and in the ruck. He has a lot going for him — he’s a terrific long and accurate kick and is a very good contested mark. At 95kgs he has a strong body already and could play senior footy next year. I’m sure the Lions will match any bid that comes for Ballanden and add to their already impressive young key position stocks. He’ll be too hard to ignore.
Plays like: Tom Boyd
Clubs suited: Brisbane Lions
20. ANDREW BRAYSHAW
Midfielder, 183cm, 80kg, Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: The younger brother of Melbourne midfielder Angus Brayshaw, Andrew is almost a clone as he looks and plays exactly like his brother. Brayshaw has great balance, runs hard and is a smart footballer who rarely makes poor decisions with ball in hand. He missed the early part of the U18 championships with an injury but returned with 20 disposals through the midfield for Vic Metro in its win over South Australia.
Plays like: Angus Brayshaw
Clubs suited: Carlton, North Melbourne, West Coast, Melbourne, Adelaide, Essendon
21. OSCAR ALLEN
Key forward, 191cm, 83kg, West Perth/Western Australia
Buckenara says: Allen was one of the most consistent players of the championships, which saw him win the Larke Medal as the best player after booting 11 goals in four games. He’s a nice kick for goal, has a good pair of hands and makes the most of his chances. He’s a good size and appears suited to the modern half forward role because he has a big engine and can run all day. I expect he’ll be a standout at the draft combine.
Plays like: Jake Stringer and Jack Darling
Clubs suited: Collingwood, Richmond, Fremantle, North Melbourne, West Coast, Port Adelaide, Gold Coast/All clubs would be interested
22. JAMES WORPEL
Midfielder, 185cm, 84kg, Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
Buckenara says: All year Worpel has been a very good player and got better and better with every game he’s played. He is a very competitive player and recruiters will love his hardness and work ethic. He has good pace, wins the ball both on the inside and outside and uses it OK by foot. I feel his ranking has risen in recent weeks. Looks a nice prospect.
Plays like: Joel Selwood
Clubs suited: Essendon, Geelong, Gold Coast, West Coast, Adelaide, Brisbane, Carlton
23. HARRISON PETTY
Key Defender, 194cm, 82kg, Norwood/South Australia
Buckenara says: Petty is a bit of a smoky but at 194cm he will end up being a key position player and clubs looking to bolster their stocks will definitely look at him. He reads the ball really well in flight and has good game sense and positioning as a defender. Don’t be surprised if a club in desperate need of key position players takes him earlier.
Plays like: Reads the play like Brian Lake and Jeremy McGovern
Clubs suited: Collingwood, Fremantle, North Melbourne, Sydney, Port Adelaide, Western Bulldogs/All clubs will be interested
24. GRYAN MIERS
Small forward/midfielder, 178cm, 72kg, Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
Buckenara says: Miles is just a real footballer in that he’s a smart opportunist that works hard and has some genuine speed to be a dangerous small forward that pressures the defence to lock in the ball. He also has scope to play midfield and because of his footy smarts, clubs will like the ball in his hands. Forward pressure is critical in the modern game and any club looking for a clever small forward will spend plenty of time looking at Miles.
Plays like: Luke Dahlhaus
Clubs suited: Brisbane, West Coast, North Melbourne, Fremantle, Geelong
25. JACKSON EDWARDS (father-son opportunity for Adelaide)
Midfielder, 185cm, 77kg, Glenelg/South Australia
Buckenara says: The son of Adelaide champion Tyson Edwards, I expect Jackson will become the Crows’ second ever father-son selection after Ben Jarman was recruited to the club as a rookie last year. He players differently to his father, however, despite also being a midfielder. He has good skills and he makes good decisions because he is composed with the footy in hand. The Crows won’t let him slip through their fingers. He has really come on this year.
Plays like: Jordan De Goey
Clubs suited: Adelaide
26. TOM DE KONING
Key forward/ruckman, 200cm, 93kg, Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country
Buckenara says: De Koning is a genuine key position forward/ruckman. While he still has a lot to learn and is a bit inconsistent at the moment, his potential won’t be lost on clubs looking to bank this type of player for the future. At 200cm he is a beautiful left foot kick and should develop into a powerful tall forward that can help out in the ruck. Has a bit of x-factor about him.
Plays like: Hamish McIntosh
Clubs suited: Richmond, Collingwood, Carlton, Hawthorn, Fremantle, Essendon/All clubs will be interested
27. MATTHEW LING
Midfielder, 182cm, 74kg, Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
Buckenara says: Ling is a quick outside midfielder who likes to take on his opponents when he gets the ball and while that can get him into trouble at times, clubs will love that run and carry creative side. His pace really makes him stand out and despite being a flashy type, he has been a consistent contributor for the Falcons this year. I think he has AFL traits — good kicking, decision-making and line-breaking ability — that once harnessed and developed, he could become a damaging player.
Plays like: James Parsons
Clubs suited: Geelong, Melbourne, St Kilda, Carlton, GWS, Sydney, North Melbourne
28. CALLUM COLEMAN-JONES
Ruckman/key forward, 201cm, 98kg, Sturt/South Australia
Buckenara says: Another ruck/key forward prospect in this year’s pool, clubs needing that type of player will look closely at Coleman-Jones. He is a good mark and has showed he can clunk it in contested situations, which is pivotal for a player of his size and has worked hard on his kicking. He played a great game during the U18’s carnival when he gathered 28 disposals and had 15 hit-outs that had a huge impact for South Australia against the Allies in Round 2. Will he be a ruckman at AFL level or more of a key forward? My gut feel is key forward who can go into the ruck once he improves his endurance.
Plays like: A taller Toby Nankervis
Clubs suited: Hawthorn, GWS, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Richmond, Geelong, Adelaide, Gold Coast/All clubs will be interested
29. JACK PETRUCCELLE
Half back/half forward, 184cm, 73kg, Northern Knights/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: Petruccelle is one of the most exciting prospects in this draft because of his potential. A former basketballer who took up footy in his mid-teens, he is a bit raw at the moment in terms of his footy knowledge but has some special traits clubs will love. He runs 20 metres over 2.82 seconds and that speed, plus his athleticism is certain to see him be the star of the draft combine. Petruccelle loves to take the game on from half back and half forward when he plays there — he tries to make things happen and can do that because he’s powerful and has great breakaway speed. He needs to find more of the football, tidy up his kicking and get more involved in games consistently because there are times he struggles to get into the action, which was the case during the championships. But when he kicked five goals for the Knights earlier this year, that showed exactly what he’s capable of with development in an AFL system. There is big upside.
Plays like: Nakia Cockatoo
Clubs suited: All clubs
30. BRENT DANIELS
Small forward, 173cm, 70kg, Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
Buckenara says: Daniels is a very exciting and clever small forward that causes the opposition headaches with his football smarts and goal sense. He also puts a lot of pressure on the opposition by getting in their space. While he is very small at 173cm, I’m sure there is a niche for players of this size and ability because he is a natural footballer who has a lot to offer.
Plays like: Caleb Daniel and Hayden Ballantyne
Clubs suited: Brisbane, West Coast, Carlton, North Melbourne, Fremantle, Geelong
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/recruiter-gary-buckenara-names-his-top-30-draft-prospects-for-2017-afl-draft/news-story/195a8609ff40acb6e2277a69f0e27117
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I doubt we would take him and Naish (going on the belief in the media that Naish is now a lock for us), but I really think looking at his highlights that Joel Garner is going to be a really good AFL player.
He reminds me a bit of Guy McKenna. Just a smooth mover with good skills who gets the job done.
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Related to Taylor(?) from north?
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?West Indian cricketer?
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Your top pick: Who will your club draft first?
afl.com.au
21 October 2017
RICHMOND
Pick 17: The Tigers will be hoping a bid for father-son Patrick Naish comes after their first selection, which would allow them to grab another top-end player before matching a bid on the running midfielder. West Australian key forward Oscar Allen is a chance to still be available when the premiers enter the draft and they are searching to add more height to their group of youngsters. Allen is a hard leading forward with a good work ethic who averaged nearly three goals a game in WA's under-18 carnival.
Around the mark: Sam Hayes, Patrick Naish, Aiden Bonar
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-21/your-top-pick-who-will-your-club-draft-first
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After the success of recruiting Nathan Broad as a more mature age draftee (out of the WAFL), it'll be interesting to see if we do something similar this year.
Liam Ryan kicked 73 goals for Subiaco this year as a 20 (now 21) year old:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-22/highflying-wafl-star-liam-ryan-ready-to-take-next-leap-to-afl
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After the success of recruiting Nathan Broad as a more mature age draftee (out of the WAFL), it'll be interesting to see if we do something similar this year.
Liam Ryan kicked 73 goals for Subiaco this year as a 20 (now 21) year old:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-22/highflying-wafl-star-liam-ryan-ready-to-take-next-leap-to-afl
Claw will have the low down..... :shh
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After the success of recruiting Nathan Broad as a more mature age draftee (out of the WAFL), it'll be interesting to see if we do something similar this year.
Liam Ryan kicked 73 goals for Subiaco this year as a 20 (now 21) year old:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-22/highflying-wafl-star-liam-ryan-ready-to-take-next-leap-to-afl
Claw will have the low down..... :shh
? Has he appeared from under his rock?
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Nah he’s upset we won the flag and is busy doing list assessments for West Coast
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:lol
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After the success of recruiting Nathan Broad as a more mature age draftee (out of the WAFL), it'll be interesting to see if we do something similar this year.
Liam Ryan kicked 73 goals for Subiaco this year as a 20 (now 21) year old:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-22/highflying-wafl-star-liam-ryan-ready-to-take-next-leap-to-afl
Claw will have the low down..... :shh
? Has he appeared from under his rock?
only at low tide
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After the success of recruiting Nathan Broad as a more mature age draftee (out of the WAFL), it'll be interesting to see if we do something similar this year.
Liam Ryan kicked 73 goals for Subiaco this year as a 20 (now 21) year old:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-22/highflying-wafl-star-liam-ryan-ready-to-take-next-leap-to-afl
There is another one called Tim Kelly who would be a good pick. Another aboriginal boy with blistering pace. Would go well at Richmond.
I think Kelly is only 22 or 23 and would be super choice especially if he is still there in the 50s.
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Shane Nelson , Tom Goodwin, Jake Spencer, Kristian Jacksh, Hugh Beasley, Sam Walker, Jonty Scharenburg, Liam Ryan, & Daniel Coffeild all worth a look as late picks/rookies. :shh
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Getting Jonty would be a very smart move by the club. One of Graham's best mates would ensure that he would more likely reject overtures from SA clubs to return.....
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This article on the AFL website says we've kept a close eye on East Perth ruckman Scott Jones (204cm, 112kg).
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The 112kg colossus averaged 31 hit-outs and 12 disposals as the No.1 big man in Jonathan Giles' absence, and went toe-to-toe with Freo-listed behemoths Jonathon Griffin and Sean Darcy in just his fourth League game.
By the time Giles was dropped back to WAFL level in round nine, Jones had established himself.
Despite having to get used to playing second fiddle [due to East Perth being West Coast's WAFL alignment club], he chalked up 15 appearances – averaging 20 hit-outs and booting nine goals – and pushed his name back into draft conversations.
Jones earned an invite to the WA draft combine after his strong campaign, and clocked a personal best 20m sprint (3.02 seconds) before pushing to his limits with a 20.2 run in the newly-introduced Yo-Yo endurance test.
It was a gut-busting effort, but to compete at the next level in the modern game, Jones knows he needs to shed some bulk without compromising his greatest asset, his power.
"Ideally I'd slim down and speed up a bit. Keep my strength but be able to match it with the more mobile ruckmen," he said.
Several clubs are interested in him, with Sydney and Richmond keeping a close eye on his testing.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-23/who-wants-a-ready-made-204cm-112kg-ruck
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Any interest here in Nick Coffield?
Our recruiters seem to like these types.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/Tomorrows-Heroes-Nick-Coffield.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-23/tomorrows-heroes-the-drafts-mr-reliable
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Any interest here in Nick Coffield?
Our recruiters seem to like these types.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/Tomorrows-Heroes-Nick-Coffield.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-23/tomorrows-heroes-the-drafts-mr-reliable
Will be gone by pick 17 you would think...
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The draft board on Fox Sports has Naish, Balta & Bonnar in Tiger colours with their pick selections noting that this is just an indicative order not what they think will happen
I would be happy with those 3.
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AFL draft 2017: Brisbane Lions top of draft points ladder, Essendon last
Al Paton,
Herald Sun
23 october 2017
ESSENDON might have won the trade period, but it has also collected an unusual wooden spoon.
The Bombers have just 371 draft points, miles behind the AFL-leading Brisbane Lions who have more than 6000 points up their sleeve heading into next month’s national draft.
The points are a clear indication of the strength of every club’s draft hand when all their picks are added together.
The AFL introduced the draft points index in 2015 as a way to value selections which clubs use to pay for father-son and academy selections on draft night (for example, if a club ahead of Richmond in this year’s draft order bids for Patrick Naish, the Tigers can match the bid and claim Naish, but have to pay for moving up the order in draft points — minus a 20 per cent discount). It’s also a weigh of measuring who wins in trade deals.
Pick one is worth 3000 points, pick 10 is worth 1395 points, pick 50 is 273 points and pick 73 is worth nine points — every pick after that is worth zero.
Draft points ladder
Club Draft points
1. Brisbane Lions 6134
2. Fremantle 5045
3. Carlton 4267
4. St Kilda 4204
5. West Coast 3935
6. Richmond 3133
7. GWS Giants 2981
8. North Melbourne 2950
9. Melbourne 2730
10. Collingwood 2584
11. Western Bulldogs 2536
12. Geelong 2341
13. Sydney 1983
14. Gold Coast 1853
15. Adelaide 1714
16. Port Adelaide 1011
17. Hawthorn 437
18. Essendon 371
Taken literally, a player taken at pick one is six times as good as a player who goes at pick 36 (502 points) and about 100 times better than pick 71 (29 points), which of course is not always entirely accurate.
But it does reveal some big take-outs from the post-season:
— Essendon will pay the price on draft night for giving away its two highest draft picks for Jake Stringer and Devon Smith. The Bombers’ first selection is pick 48, worth only 302 points.
— Hawthorn is still paying for parting with most of its draft picks this year to get its hands on Jaeger O’Meara and Tom Mitchell last year. After also handing over pick 33 for Jarman Impey, it has only two picks with a points value: 43 (378 points) and 68 (59 points)
— Fremantle won the trade period when draft points are factored in. As well as snaring Nathan Wilson and Brandon Matera, the Dockers kept their own pick 5 (1878 points) and added pick 2 (2517 points) in a swap for Lachie Weller
Brendon Goddard will be hoping Essendon recruiters can find some gems late in the draft.
— Carlton was smart, too, bringing in three players and keeping two top-10 draft picks
— North Melbourne fans might be scratching their heads after the Roos failed to add to their list or improve their draft position, despite being in full rebound mode. How are they behind Richmond and the Giants?
— The Tigers are in a very strong position after winning the flag, with a late pick swap with the Lions — plus the future pick they got for Brett Deledio last year — helping them move up 12 places from a ‘natural’ draft order.
— West Coast has five picks inside the top 40 but just one in the top 20 resulting in a healthy but not outstanding draft points ranking. Word is they have some mature-age WAFL players on the radar who could be picked up in the second or third round.
Of course, draft points on their own aren’t worth anything. Now it’s up to recruiters to make them count.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-have-6134-draft-points-essendon-just-371-after-afl-trade-period/news-story/46a0a378d63da9e399f90b6991849838
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The draft board on Fox Sports has Naish, Balta & Bonnar in Tiger colours with their pick selections noting that this is just an indicative order not what they think will happen
I would be happy with those 3.
Yeah, they look alright. Lot of potential.
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Another bloke we should be seriously considering as a DFA is Sam Collins....after Rance, Grimes & Astbury, our KPD depth is virtually non-existent....basically just a couple of raw kids...Beasley & Collins would be a good cheap fix and allow us to be more flexible (and patient) with Garthwaite & Chol...especially we also pick up Balta in the draft...:shh
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Brett Anderson on SEN just after midday:
* Brett Anderson says it's still an open question whether another club will bid for Naish before our pick 17. The Bulldogs may show some interest. He believes Naish will slide past our first pick.
At 17:
Sam Hayes - forward/ruck.
Oscar Allen might go before then but he'll be a good fit if he's still around.
Believes we will go a combo of Naish plus a tall with our early picks.
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Fitzbane just delisted Close....worth a look as a dfa or rookie.... :shh
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With 3 picks in the top 25, it'll be interesting to see if we take the punt on Aiden Bonar if he's still available:
His performances at the Combine and late in the year have rocketed Bonar into first-round calculations. It would be a surprise to see him still on the board into the 20s now, and there are also whispers he could sneak into the first dozen.
It will still be something of a punt to use an early pick on Bonar, but he's one who could really pay off. He's one of the most intriguing players in the pool but the mystery lies in his talent: who has seen enough to grab him and back him in?
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/Tomorrows-Heroes-05-Aiden-Bonar_infographic.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-27/tomorrows-heroes-elite-talent-with-massive-upside
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240 prospects profiles complete ahead of print day on Monday for @InsideFooty's 2017 #AFLDraft Guide.
Who will your club take?
Out 6th Nov.
https://twitter.com/BAndersonSEN/status/923836888238080000
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Potential draftee Ben Paton is a Tiger supporter.
The other dream being a Richmond premiership, which he witnessed last month just hours after racking up 21 disposals on the same MCG turf for Team Harvey in the Under 18s All-Stars clash — the curtain-raiser for the Tigers-Crows Grand Final.
For Paton, who models his game on ex-Tiger Brett Deledio — “I looked up to Lids ... until he moved” — September 30, 2017 was a fairly memorable day.
“The household was very up and about. I’ve been brainwashed by them,” Paton says.
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/8354aecf2d34033c2b33f9718d5bbbb8)
BEN PATON
Clubs: Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
Position: Medium Defender
Size: 185cm, 78kg
Draft Range: 30-50
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2017-careerchanging-switch-to-defence-keeps-ben-patons-afl-career-alive/news-story/932e70c1d663b959285e1ff51fa08b76
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We should almost draft Paton on that comment about Lids.
Unfortunately, from the description of the type of player he is, he'd be a fair way down the pecking order at the moment. Can't see it happening.
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I'd still pass on Naish if he's bid on before 20 at least...especially if Brayshaw's still on the board.... :shh
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For Paton, who models his game on ex-Tiger Brett Deledio
So he goes missing in big games?
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For Paton, who models his game on ex-Tiger Brett Deledio
So he goes missing in big games?
Nope. Misses most of the year with injury. :lol
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For Paton, who models his game on ex-Tiger Brett Deledio
So he goes missing in big games?
or doesnt give autograph to kids?
Just on that i never saw lids or heard he did that outside of OER, but funnily enough i met a random old lady at the club merch store a few weeks ago who said exactly the same thing to me. She said he ran away from her niece or something like that and hid behind a wall laughing or something.
She came straight out and said it to me when his name was brought up.
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probably thought he would just sign a few relo's items and not anyone elses because he was such a big shot and let them sell them for big moola. Now that he is a failed trade on, it ain't worth jack poo. Now his sig at tigerland is about as popular as a prick flavored lolly pop.
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I'd still pass on Naish if he's bid on before 20 at least...especially if Brayshaw's still on the board.... :shh
You talking about Andrew?...surely will be gone by then. Seriously talented and reminds me of Trent.
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probably thought he would just sign a few relo's items and not anyone elses because he was such a big shot and let them sell them for big moola. Now that he is a failed trade on, it ain't worth jack poo. Now his sig at tigerland is about as popular as a prick flavored lolly pop.
Thats a tad harsh....plenty of people are into that flavour
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love is love. wait, what about if it belonged to Barnaby Joyce?
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Depends if you're into hats i guess ;D
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Callum Twomey's latest phantom draft guide:
He has Naish at 13.
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Cal Twomey's Phantom form guide: October edition
afl.com.au
30 October 2017
WITH all eyes now firmly on the NAB AFL Draft, it is time for another update of the Phantom Form Guide.
AFL.com.au has ranked the best 25 players in the draft pool, not taking into account where they might actually get drafted or where bids may come for father-son or academy prospects. It is not a mock draft.
There will be one more update of the Phantom Form Guide ahead of next month's draft, which will be held at Sydney Showgrounds on November 24.
1. Cameron Rayner
2. Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Paddy Dow
4. Adam Cerra
5. Jaidyn Stephenson
6. Andrew Brayshaw
7. Darcy Fogarty
8. Jack Higgins
9. Hunter Clark
10. Nick Coffield
11. Jarrod Brander
12. Aaron Naughton
13. Patrick Naish
POS: Midfielder, Ht 183cm, Wt 73kg, DOB 15/1/1999
From Northern Knights/Vic Metro
September ranking: 12
Naish looks likely to become a Tiger next month as the leading father-son pick in this year's draft. His dad Chris played 143 games with the club as a small goalkicker, and it's clear his smarts around the big sticks has carried on in Naish, who loves a goal when he floats forward from the midfield/wing. Naish is lightly bodied and an outside player at this stage, but he uses the ball well and breaks the lines with his kicking, running and dashing nature. It's a rare trait in this year's pool.
14. Sam Hayes
15. Charlie Constable
16. Lochie O'Brien
17. Ed Richards
18. Oscar Allen
19. Aiden Bonar
20. Connor Ballenden
21. Matthew Ling
22. Nathan Murphy
23. Noah Balta
24. Lachlan Fogarty
25. Zac Bailey
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-30/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-october-edition
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Hunter Clark is another potential draftee who is a Tiger supporter.
AS a passionate Richmond supporter, Hunter Clark was in footy heaven as he sat in the MCG stands on grand final day last month.
He reckoned seeing the Tigers claim their first premiership in 37 years was about as good as it gets.
Clark says he has no idea where the draft will take him, but admits he’d be pretty chuffed if he ended up at the Tigers.
“I don’t know if I will but it would be pretty awesome for me and my family if I did. Anything can happen I guess.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/localfooty/mount-martha-junior-football-club-product-hunter-clark-chases-big-league-dream/news-story/9ea7e87c612c97f9b9bef4feef328cff
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Gee would love to get Hunter Clark, will be long gone though.
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Any interest here in 194cm South Australian defender Harrison Petty? Talk he'll go in the top 25 which is of course around our first 3 picks.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-01/petty-to-cash-in-on-need-for-key-backs
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http://www.footyology.com.au/footyologys-draft-rankings-no-17-charlie-constable/
Rohan connolly has this guy at 17. He's a tall ball magnet mid with endurance but is slow.
He sounds really good to me endurance is coming back into it.
But speed speed speed. Hmm
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http://www.footyology.com.au/footyologys-draft-rankings-no-17-charlie-constable/
Rohan connolly has this guy at 17. He's a tall ball magnet mid with endurance but is slow.
He sounds really good to me endurance is coming back into it.
But speed speed speed. Hmm
He is also apparently a Tigers supporter.
Lack of speed would be a major concern, but maybe could play a Caddy type role in the team?
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Bonar & Balta would be a top result.... :shh
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Any interest here in 194cm South Australian defender Harrison Petty? Talk he'll go in the top 25 which is of course around our first 3 picks.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-01/petty-to-cash-in-on-need-for-key-backs
Is he a tiger fan?
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Any interest here in 194cm South Australian defender Harrison Petty? Talk he'll go in the top 25 which is of course around our first 3 picks.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-01/petty-to-cash-in-on-need-for-key-backs
Is he a tiger fan?
Aren't they all these days :)
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Tonight we are going live again for another podcast.
it is our DRAFT SPECIAL featuring two of the best in the business, AFL Draft Centrals, Bishop and Pie 4 Life
Join us live at 7:30pm Melbourne time as we discuss:
* Both Bishop and Pie 4 Life will provide their top 20 player rankings for this years draft
* Both will be selecting 5 players each (including 1 smokey that might be a hidden gem) to give a in depth review about that have impressed them this year
* Both will throw out some names they think might slide down the draft order this year
* We will go through a Mock draft for the first round selections
* Patrick Naish talk
* Finish off with answering some listeners questions, which you can submit in the chat client while listening online!
You can tune in tonight LIVE at 7:30pm (approx) by clicking on the below link at around 7:30pm
https://www.spreaker.com/user/bigfooty.com
If you cant tune in to the live episode don't stress, i will post the edited version up afterwards like normal.
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The draft position of Victorian ruckman Sam Hayes will be one of the most interesting aspects when names are called later this month.
Despite being a back-to-back All Australian, it is unlikely Hayes will find a spot in the top 10 on draft night, with clubs reluctant to use early picks on ruckmen.
Tim English was drafted with pick No.19 last year despite being an extremely talented ruckman, and a similar draft position looms for Hayes.
Richmond could look at Hayes with one of its first three picks – No.17, 20 and 25 – but he is not a guarantee to fit in the first round.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-06/draft-movers-dragons-mates-continue-to-rise
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clubs reluctant to use early picks on ruckmen.
...and rightly so....
Richmond could look at Hayes with one of its first three picks – No.17, 20 and 25 –
:facepalm >:( :thumbsdown
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Inside Football's massive draft guide edition is out today.
(https://images.contentful.com/u8w3l566ay8a/5EWVCWQPAsMWuO2UUuI2Ig/be441b2058b0c9ed35141422a0a40cbb/if-nov-2017.jpg)
What is featured this month…
17-Page Draft Guide
We profile over 200 prospects who took part in the AFL draft combines – and throw in the odd ‘smokey’ from the state leagues whose names could be called out on draft night, November 24.
Twenty Good Men
Led by former Port Adelaide, Hawthorn and St Kilda recruiter and list manager Chris Pelchen, Pro Scout International has been tracking and ranking this year’s youngsters ahead of the AFL National Draft. It reveals the predicted top 20.
A question of character
When it comes to successful recruiting, talent spotting is only half of the job. Recruiters increasingly want to select players they consider to be made of the right stuff – to have leadership qualities and resilience. An interview with the family is not necessarily to discover more about the son, but to assess the family dynamics. As Nathan Burke explains, this has become a crucial aspect of the decision-making of AFL clubs.
What price a top 10 pick?
Recruitment, it’s often been said, is an inexact science, and even in the age of media saturation and instant communication this holds true. Despite the resources poured into talent and identification programs, recruiting comes with no guarantees.
Drafting ruckmen? That’s a stretch!
Despite dire predictions, the game has always found a place for its tallest citizens, albeit with growing requirements on fitness and general skills. But recent trends have consequences for recruiters and young ruckmen in the national draft like Sam Hayes.
WAFL | Best of the west
The three mature-aged recruits who can step straight into AFL senior teams.
SANFL | Slim pickings in South
Glenelg youngster the standout in a shallow pool of SA draft prospects.
NEAFL | Northern exposure
The NEAFL is poised to provide a number of mature-aged and academy prospects to the AFL drafts.
All this and more in the November issue of Inside Football magazine.
ON SALE 6 NOVEMBER at your local newsagent, Woolworths, Coles, 7-Eleven, Caltex and Coles Express for just $6.95.
https://www.sen.com.au/inside-football/
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clubs reluctant to use early picks on ruckmen.
...and rightly so....
Richmond could look at Hayes with one of its first three picks – No.17, 20 and 25 –
:facepalm >:( :thumbsdown
SEN says Freo are keen on Hayes.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/11/05/top-five-prospect-not-fazed-by-possible-move-west
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Chris Pelchen, in the latest Inside Football draft guide, has us taking Hayes and Balta with picks 17 & 20. I'm presuming he thinks Naish will last to pick 25.
1. Bris - Luke Davies-Uniacke
2. Freo - Paddy Dow
3. Carl - Cameron Rayner
4. North - Jaidyn Stephenson
5. Freo - Adam Cerra
6. Coll - Aaron Naughton
7. St.K - Andrew Brayshaw
8. St.K - Aiden Bonar
9. Dogs - Nick Coffield
10. Carl - Darcy Fogarty
11. GWS - Jarrod Brander
12. Adel - Hunter Clark
13. WCE - Oscar Allen
14. Syd - Nathan Murphy
15. Bris - Charlie Constable
16. Dogs - Jack Higgins
17. Richmond - Sam Hayes
A dual Under 18 All-Australian, Hayes is more of a marking forward than a ruckman at this stage. His imposing size and desire for the front position makes him a hard match-up; he is a "one-grab" mark and reliable set-shot-kick. Hayes is still learning the ruck craft in terms of his positioning, changing the angles and follow-up and needs to build core strength. This will come, as will the ruck nuances, because he has the tools and is a smart footballer. His ability to cover the ground commands attention. His Nationals GPS data was below standard, while his 2km time trial of 8.20 minutes at the Draft Combine has done him no favours. However, the bottom line is that Hayes has enormous upside. The club that drafts him will simply need patience.
18. Bris - Lochie O'Brien
19. GC - Sam Taylor
20. Richmond - Noah Balta
Balta divides the recruiting fraternity. His athleticism and explosiveness is rare for a player of his size and he has the physique to play Round 1 next year. Conversely, his lack of game sense means that the difference between his best and worst is considerable. Balta's ability to perform the freakish is uncanny, whether it be taking a screamer in the goalsquare, displaying cat-like agility to pounce on the loose ball or bursting away from opponents. Due to his inconsistency, Balta's coaches would often rotate him through a number of positions in an attempt to get more involved. During the Nationals he played mostly as a lockdown key defender. In this respect some parallels can be drawn between himself and a young and raw Alex Rance, who took time to find his feet.
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Let's hope he's only half right.... :shh
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No thanks on Hayes, really hope we don’t draft him
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Apparently the word is that Matthew Clarke loves him..... :help
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8.20 for 2k is a disgrace. Average blokes run faster km's over marathons.
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On Monday night i had a podcast with 2 of the guys from AFL Draft Central to talk about the upcoming draft.
they gave their top 20 players rankings, an in depth review on 10 players (5 each) and finished off with a mock draft of the 1st round and some Patrick Naish talk at the end.
you can check it out here:
https://www.spreaker.com/user/bigfooty.com
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8.20 for 2k is a disgrace. Average blokes run faster km's over marathons.
wow thats terrible. Have heard that his aerobic capacity is so far off and is what has put a lot of clubs off - that confirms it. stuff that we had to put up with Vickery for how many years, do not want another turd sitting in the pocket calling for the 60 metre bomb over the top
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Hayes was interviewed on the SEN breakfast show either last Friday or Monday this week
Can't remember the day ;D
Anyways....FWIW
He admitted his combine trials results and his overall season stats weren't great and they were things he needed to work on. Said being in a AFL system is what he needs to improve these things
Also mentioned something about not taking up footy as his main sporting focus until his mid teens.
The main area he is supposed to good at for a big bloke is "below the knees"
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The main area he is supposed to good at for a big bloke is "below the knees"
So is Joel Garner..... :whistle
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Calling Hayes another Vickery is kind....looks more like another Hamspud....
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The main area he is supposed to good at for a big bloke is "below the knees"
So is Joel Garner..... :whistle
That's because his balls drop below his knees :o
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Are we interested in any delisted players does anyone know?
In the other drafts I mean rookie etc
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Twomey on the AFL website only sees us considering Hayes at pick 25. Brander would need to be taken at 17 if we wanted him.
http://www.afl.com.au/draft/road-to-the-draft
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8.20 for 2k is a disgrace. Average blokes run faster km's over marathons.
Mmmm interested to know what you mean by "average blokes" :lol
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Foxsports saying we're interested in East Perth ruckman Scott Jones.
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Scott Jones (East Perth)
Age: 22
Position: Ruckman
2017 WAFL Numbers: Booted 9 goals and averaged 11 disposals, 20 hit-outs and 74 Champion Data ranking points from 15 games.
IF an AFL club needs a ready-made ruckman, Jones — a 205cm, 109kg monster — is the man. After suffering a broken leg in his draft year, Jones plied his trade in East Perth’s reserves for three years before finally breaking into the Eagles’ WAFL-aligned senior side this year. Jones then took his impressive form into the WA state combine, registering a personal best 20m sprint time (3.02 seconds) before recording 20.2 in the yo-yo test. Three clubs have reportedly shown interest in Jones, with Fremantle particularly keen along with Sydney and Richmond.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-matureage-wafl-stars-that-afl-clubs-should-consider-at-the-2017-national-and-rookie-drafts/news-story/cee26703cdbf8a2c49974da375f15477
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Derrick Smith (Richmond VFL)
Age: 19
Position: General defender
2017 VFL Numbers: Averaged 14 disposals, at 74 per cent kicking efficiency and 4 marks from 5 games.
WHILE his numbers aren’t as impressive as others, the 186cm defender is certainly on the Tigers’ radar following five VFL games for the club this year as their 23rd man. Foxfooty.com.au reported in September that Richmond is almost certain to pick him up in the rookie draft, but the club might be willing to consider parting ways with a late selection in the national draft if required. A Bendigo Pioneer, Smith is lightly built but still has time to fill out his frame so he can compete physically with bigger bodies.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-matureage-vfl-stars-that-afl-clubs-should-consider-at-the-2017-national-and-rookie-drafts/news-story/0d3d29eafd0874d643d1974bc26b25a8
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The AFL website's 'Draft Machine' with profiles and video of every potential draftee plus what draft range they are expected to go in the draft.
http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine
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Foxsports saying we're interested in East Perth ruckman Scott Jones.
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Scott Jones (East Perth)
Age: 22
Position: Ruckman
2017 WAFL Numbers: Booted 9 goals and averaged 11 disposals, 20 hit-outs and 74 Champion Data ranking points from 15 games.
IF an AFL club needs a ready-made ruckman, Jones — a 205cm, 109kg monster — is the man. After suffering a broken leg in his draft year, Jones plied his trade in East Perth’s reserves for three years before finally breaking into the Eagles’ WAFL-aligned senior side this year. Jones then took his impressive form into the WA state combine, registering a personal best 20m sprint time (3.02 seconds) before recording 20.2 in the yo-yo test. Three clubs have reportedly shown interest in Jones, with Fremantle particularly keen along with Sydney and Richmond.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-matureage-wafl-stars-that-afl-clubs-should-consider-at-the-2017-national-and-rookie-drafts/news-story/cee26703cdbf8a2c49974da375f15477
Is this an admission that Soldo and Chol aren't going to make it? I think we know what Hampson is capable of.
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I thought Chol was a tall forward rather than a ruck.
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We seem to be developing Chol as a defender now.....
I think we know what Hampson is capable of.
stuff all in large heaps?
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Confirmed today that we will have 5 picks in the draft - 17, 20, 25, 53 & 55.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/2017-official-afl-national-draft-order/news-story/9ff7af783cbf0f3264323452d97e48a6
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Confirmed today that we will have 5 picks in the draft - 17, 20, 25, 53 & 55.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/2017-official-afl-national-draft-order/news-story/9ff7af783cbf0f3264323452d97e48a6
5 makes sense as we presently have 35 on main list & 3 Rookies
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Brander is one of the kids some in the media link to us:
Tomorrow's Heroes: Clubs get free swing at tall
afl.com.au
11 November 2017
IT HAS been an interesting 12 months for Jarrod Brander. The key position prospect has been long been seen as a likely early draft pick for this year, and until about this time last season, he looked headed to Greater Western Sydney.
Brander had been in the club's academy since he was 12, but as the AFL begun to consider realigning the Giants' vast zone, the teenager's place within it became a big point of conjecture.
In the end, the AFL restructured the Giants' academy region, and Brander was excluded from it. Suddenly, one of the leading key position players in the pool was available to the whole pool.
Brander had an up and down season, playing at both ends of the field, sometimes even within the same quarter. Despite not being eligible to join the Giants as an academy selection, he did feature in their academy series side earlier in the year before playing for the Allies in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships.
Why they should pick him:
Brander is a good overhead mark who has the ability to have a commanding influence on a game. We saw that most prominently when he played for the Allies against Vic Metro, steering his side to a surprise win with three goals. That day at Simonds Stadium he played with presence, leapt at the ball confidently, and was agile around the ground.
He's also able to play as an intercept marking defender, and has shown the ability to read the play well and get into the right spots to cut off forward forays and get the ball going his team's way.
The Query:
Consistency has evaded Brander at times, making him difficult to assess throughout his draft season. That can happen for young talls coming through the draft.
Where clubs think Brander plays his best football might also impact where they view him in the draft. He hasn't been able to completely lock himself into one spot, and although that could also be seen as an advantage, some recruiters may have preferred he had settled into one spot and dominated there.
Plays Like:
There's a bit of Lachie Henderson to Brander in the way he can play comfortably at both ends of the ground and hold down the fort, like Henderson does for the Cats.
Draft Range:
He seems likely to be one of the first talls drafted. That could see him taken anywhere between pick No.5 and the latter parts of the first round.
Bottom Line:
Brander has plenty of the tools you want in a key position prospect, and if a club is looking for a tall he has to be in their thinking early in the piece.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Tomorrows%20Heroes%2015%20Jarrod%20Brander.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-11/tomorrows-heroes-clubs-get-free-swing-at-tall
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Confirmed today that we will have 5 picks in the draft - 17, 20, 25, 53 & 55.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/2017-official-afl-national-draft-order/news-story/9ff7af783cbf0f3264323452d97e48a6
One of them will go on Naish so it's the other 4 that matter. This draft will prove our new recruiting head. If we get more games from those 50+ picks than the 3 picks near 20 hmmm. Pressure is on.
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Don't like the look of Hayes in any vision and would steer clear unless he gets to pick 54. For some supposed to be a great mark there weren't many contested marks in there.
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Foxsports saying we're interested in East Perth ruckman Scott Jones.
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Scott Jones (East Perth)
Age: 22
Position: Ruckman
2017 WAFL Numbers: Booted 9 goals and averaged 11 disposals, 20 hit-outs and 74 Champion Data ranking points from 15 games.
IF an AFL club needs a ready-made ruckman, Jones — a 205cm, 109kg monster — is the man. After suffering a broken leg in his draft year, Jones plied his trade in East Perth’s reserves for three years before finally breaking into the Eagles’ WAFL-aligned senior side this year. Jones then took his impressive form into the WA state combine, registering a personal best 20m sprint time (3.02 seconds) before recording 20.2 in the yo-yo test. Three clubs have reportedly shown interest in Jones, with Fremantle particularly keen along with Sydney and Richmond.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-matureage-wafl-stars-that-afl-clubs-should-consider-at-the-2017-national-and-rookie-drafts/news-story/cee26703cdbf8a2c49974da375f15477
Not really surprised we'd be interested in this bloke. Haven't seen him play, but looks like the type of immediate back-up we might need for Nank given we didn't trade anyone in.
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Don't like the look of Hayes in any vision and would steer clear unless he gets to pick 54. For some supposed to be a great mark there weren't many contested marks in there.
Agree. Hard to judge from tape (Oakley-Nicholls anyone?) but didn't really do a huge amount in the footage to justify an early pick. I read in the inside footy that the team that picks him is going to need patience.
If we are looking at an X factor type ruckman, I'd rather we bide our time and look at a prospect like Redhead from East Perth as a late pick or rookie pick. Great athlete for his size (listed at around 203cm), very quick. Awkward kicking style, but still manages to kick goals fairly regularly.
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Knightmare's November phantom draft The first three rounds
Christopher Doerre
ESPN AFL Draft Expert
14 November 2017
Christopher Doerre has been writing phantom drafts and draft profiles since 2009, and also has a longstanding passion for list management. He continues to develop his knowledge as he observes new trends and opportunities within the AFL Draft and recruiting landscape. He can be found at junior games most weekends through the football season, casting his eye over the next generation of AFL stars. He also spends time watching match vision, analysing stats and talking to industry sources to ensure he can offer the most insightful draft analysis.
With the football season and AFL trade period over, clubs now know what picks they'll be taking to the national draft in Sydney on November 24.
But which club will pick what player, and when?
ESPN's AFL draft expert Christopher Doerre -- aka Knightmare -- may have the answers.
As well as attending live games during the season, Doerre pores through match vision, analyses the stats and talks to industry sources to ensure he can offer the most insightful analysis.
His phantom draft is only for the first three rounds of the draft, and will be updated and extended several times ahead of the event itself.
17 Richmond - Noah Balta
Height, Weight: 195cm, 95kg
Summary Profile: Freakishly athletic key position player. Breaks the lines, possesses rare clearness at ground level, and is a strong mark who will take front position in the marking contest.
20 Richmond - Sam Hayes
Height, Weight: 203cm, 93kg
Summary Profile: Talented ruckman who is just as capable as a strong-marking key forward. Under-18 All-Australian the past two seasons.
25 Richmond - Patrick Naish
Height, Weight: 181cm, 69kg
Summary Profile: Eligible for Richmond as a father-son selection. Naish adds outside run and class through the midfield and up forward.
53 Richmond - Brayden Ainsworth
Height, Weight: 184cm, 79kg
Summary Profile: Overage midfielder who moves effectively through traffic and possesses strong contested ball-winning capabilities.
55 Richmond - Ben Paton
Height, Weight: 186cm, 78kg
Summary Profile: Overage defender with pace and clean skills. Capable rebounder, interceptor and stopper with a ready-to-go game.
http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/21381638/knightmare-november-phantom-draft-first-three-rounds
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All goes a bit pear shaped after 17.... (K)nightmare draft indeed...
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Coudln't be upset with Balta at #17 - a free hit at 20 and Naish at 25.
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Balta
Brander
Allen
Naish
we party :birthday
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Probably be gone but I'd take Bonar over Brander......would even toss him up with Balta...... :shh
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2017 AFL Draft Club Preview: Richmond
footyprophet.com
14 November 2017
LIST BREAKDOWN BY POSITION:
Key Def Gen Def Mid Mid/Fwd Gen Fwd Key Fwd Ruck Total
3 8 9 4 8 3 3 38
Average Age: 25
Players In: Nil
Players Out: Nil
Retired/Delisted: Steven Morris, Taylor Hunt, Todd Elton, Ivan Maric, Chris Yarran, Ben Lennon, Jake Batchelor
Draft Picks: 17, 20, 25, 53, 55
WHAT THEY GOT/LOST:
Nothing. Zilcho. Doughnuts. The Tigers managed to go through the trade and free agency period unscathed, but also failed to bring in any outside talent to bolster their list.
Oh, there was one thing they did get though: the 2017 premiership cup (for those who aren’t following ‘Daily Updates of Who the Reigning Premiers Are on Facebook), and this is probably why they didn’t feel the need to add anything. Likewise, it meant no one wanted to leave the club after such success.
Richmond did well to retain Anthony Miles and Sam Lloyd, who pretty much brought their own footy throughout the entire VFL season. I find it somewhat staggering that a club like Gold Coast didn’t make a big play for Miles – who played just the five AFL games in 2017 – because he is too good to be running around in the magoos.
Speaking of ‘nothing’, some supporters would have this amount of care for some of the players thrown on the scrapheap. Ben Lennon was probably the most surprising of those delisted, but ultimately the former first rounder has failed to live up to his lofty potential since arriving at Tigerland.
WHAT THEY NEED:
It is ironic that Damien Hardwick’s neglect of what many thought they needed was a catalyst for the club’s 11th flag. The disregard of the traditional ‘two talls, four smalls’ in the forward line meant Richmond were able to become one of the best pressure sides in the competition, swarming on opposition defences with their mosquito fleet.
Hardwick’s plan to run with a 22-man small forward line paid handsome dividends, after the short trial of Todd Elton at centre-half forward didn’t go so well. However, as we saw with the Bulldogs in 2017, team’s start to figure you out pretty quickly, and I see a tall forward as a must for the Tiges.
Another thing the yellow and black should look at is another ruckman. With Ivan Maric’s retirement and Shaun Hampson’s unreliable body, it leaves Toby Nankervis and Ivan Soldo as Richmond’s ruckman. While Soldo did an admirable job when he came in to gave Nank a chop-out, an injury to Nank the Tank could spell danger. Shaun Grigg proved to be a secret weapon as a backup ruck, but I doubt he’d be an adequate #1 ruck…
Richmond could also look to get another tall defender, with the two pillars in Rance and Astbury currently on their list along with 2016 draftee Ryan Garthwaite who is emerging nicely. A classy outside midfielder would be another nice addition, and the Tiges appear to have one in the bag.
ON THE RADAR:
The Tigers played their hand well at the trade table to snare picks 20 and 25 for pick 15, giving them three picks within the first 25 (17, 20 and 25)
Ultimately, Richmond’s draft night depends on where a bid comes for father-son prospect Patrick Naish. Many have Naish pencilled in around the 12-25 bracket, but clubs do tend to be more caring when it comes to F/S bids, so I expect a bid for Naish to come after Richmond’s first pick at 17. Here is that classy outside midfielder I was talking about. Naish is just that; possessing a damaging kick and pace to boot. He also has a knack for hitting the scoreboard more often than not, and while he is still fairly raw, he should get opportunities at senior level in 2018. There is a fair possibility a bid won’t fall within the top 25, meaning Richmond could get three top 25 selections as well as the talented Knight.
If he is still available, the obvious suitor for their first selection at pick 17 is Western Australian tall Oscar Allen. While he is probably only tall enough to be a 3rd tall at senior level, Allen excels on the lead, where he can beat his opponents and take the ball at its highest point at pace – a commodity Richmond could certainly use. Allen showed he can compete amongst the best in the pool, being awarded the Larke Medal as the best player in the National Championships for WA, and even made his WAFL debut during the season.
Another possibility for either of these two picks (in the event Naish is bidded on before 25, meaning Richmond will have to use one of their selections as well as re-shuffling others) is filling their ruck stocks. There is word Eastern Ranges ruckman Sam Hayes will slide due to club’s reluctance to pick a ruck early. Hayes is the standout ruckman in the pool and has shown he can kick goals while forward. The two-time All Australian’s tapwork is exceptional and he is very capable following up on the ground winning his own footy. The knock is his endurance – finishing second last in the 2km time trial – but if Richmond are able to snag him with either of their picks in the 20’s, he’ll be a steal.
Tall swingman Jarrod Brander also has the potential to slide and the Tigers will be laughing if he is still there at pick 17. Brander – who was in the top 5 conversation at the beginning of the season – has played some good footy both up forward and down back in 2017, but inconsistency has seen his draft stocks fall somewhat. In saying that, it is unlikely he will still be there at Richmond’s first selection.
If Richmond opt to go the best available, they may have a look at outside midfielder/defender Lochie O’Brien. Similar to his Bendigo teammate Brander, O’Brien’s has drifted on draft boards, but there is no doubting his talent – he oozes class. Athletic tall Noah Balta is another they could consider, who is probably best suited in defence. Balta is one who could be anything at AFL level.
Richmond managed to pull off a steal with Jack Graham at pick 53 last year, so it will be interesting to see what they can do with picks 53 and 55 this year (if they aren’t used to match Naish bids). They have also expressed interest in mature age recruit Derrick Smith from their Next Generation Academy, who is likely to join the Tigers via the Rookie Draft.
http://footyprophet.com/2017-afl-draft-club-preview-richmond/
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Callum Twomey & Michael Ablett on the AFL website's latest podcast have us taking Naish, Constable & Hayes with our first 3 picks.
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On this week's episode:
AFL Academies manager Michael Ablett joins the show
The guys go through a top-30 mock draft based on club needs
Who do they think the Lions should take at No.1? What about the Saints with their two top-10 selections?
Where should bids come for Patrick Naish and Connor Ballenden? The guys predict where the father-son and academy prospects should fit in
Their mock Top 30 draft
1. Bris - Cam Rayner
2. Freo - Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Carl - Paddy Dow
4. North - Andrew Brayshaw
5. Freo - Jaidyn Stephenson
6. Coll - Darcy Fogarty
7. St.K - Adam Cerra
8. St.K - Hunter Clark
9. Dogs - Nick Coffield
10. Carl - Aiden Bonar
11. GWS - Ed Richards
12. Adel - Jarrod Brander
13. WCE - Oscar Allen
14. Syd - Aaron Naughton
15. Bris - Nathan Murphy
16. Rich - Patrick Naish [Dogs bid on Naish here which we match with our pick 17 to move up one spot]
17. Dogs - Lachie Fogarty
18. Bris - Jack Higgins
19. GC - Jack Petruccelle
20. Rich - Charlie Constable - gives Richmond the versatility. He's 190cm and All-Australian. Fantastic in the one-on-one contest.
Also showed in the TAC Cup Grand Final that he can go forward and kick and goal as well. That was under
duress too because he was hurt from the past couple of weeks. Came in underdone after looking unlikely to
get up for the game and his first half was really solid. He'd give the Tigers a few different options and
a different look. Would be a nice fit for the Tiges and a different player to Naish. A mix in the dynamics
with the two kids they bring in at these spots in the draft.
21. WCE - Lochie O'Brien
22. Geel - Sam Taylor
23. North - Charlie Spargo
24. Bris - Connor Ballenden [Geelong bid here and Brisbane match it to move up to this pick]
25. Geel - Tom McCartin
26. Rich - Sam Hayes - with the quality of Richmond's list they can take a risk here on a tall. Hayes is a dual All-Australian which is
remarkable coming in as a 17-18 year old. He's 203cm but let's get one thing straight, you are drafting a young
tall forward. A Peter Wright type at the minute. Whether he develops his tank and goes into the midfield you would
hope so, but if he doesn't you've got a big forward who is elite. Got really long arms and can clunk a ball. He's
shown his ability to be a very difficult match-up up forward. At the mid-point of the season after the U18 Champs
people had him going in the top 10-15 and some clubs even top 5. His running is definitely an issue. Not much
improvement from the start of the season to the end. It's this issue that will make Hayes available at this point
of the draft.
27. WCE - Matt Ling
28. GWS - Gryan Miers
29. GWS - Zac Bailey
30. Melb - Callum Coleman-Jones
http://www.afl.com.au/draft/road-to-the-draft
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McCartin at 25 and Balta not even in the top 30...yeah righteo....
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Don't reckon we'd take Hayes if we match an early bid for Naish (which we shouldn't if the bid comes before 17 or 20)
Missing a trick not developing Chol in the ruck....same mistake we made with McBean.... :shh
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26. Rich - Sam Hayes - He's 203cm but let's get one thing straight, you are drafting a young
tall forward.
No thanks, we know from our resident expert he won't make it
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JAKE Riccardi has emerged as a draft bolter in recent weeks after being invited to private testing by at least two AFL clubs.
Riccardi, who featured at centre half-forward and centre half-back for Calder Cannons in the TAC Cup, led St Bernard’s to a breakthrough Herald Sun Shield win this year.
The 193cm utility booted three goals in the shield final in wet conditions, leaving a lasting impression on Geelong at Simonds Stadium.
The Cats are among the clubs who have shown interest in the 18-year-old, who looms as a possible rookie draft selection.
“A few clubs have taken him and done individual testing so it will be interesting to see how they rated him,” Cannons talent manager Ian Kyte said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/localfooty/calder-cannons-utility-jake-riccardi-emerges-as-draft-prospect-after-attracting-afl-interest-in-recent-weeks/news-story/525219fb2caa75c51d523059373a0c8a
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https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-matthew-day-chooses-football-after-basketball-chose-him-20171112-gzjuxg.html
Day, who finished school last year, has spent this year off the field obtaining a double diploma in sports leadership and sports development through Swinburne University. The program is also run in part by Richmond Football Club, and he's spent time in classes at the Tigers' Punt Road base. "We brought them the premiership this year!" he jokes.
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Callum Twomey's latest phantom draft guide:
He has F/S Naish at 13.
At our picks, he has Bonar at 17; Murphy at 20; and Ballard at 25.
He's also linked us to Brander (12), O'Brien (15), Allen (16), Hayes (19) and Miers (29).
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Cal Twomey's Phantom form guide: November edition
afl.com.au
17 November 2017
AFTER all those games, all that athletic testing and all of the club interviews, we are finally a week away from the NAB AFL Draft.
It is crunch time for recruiters to finalise their lists of prospects, and the same applies to us at AFL.com.au as we reveal our final Phantom Form Guide for 2017.
This is our rating of the best 30 players in this year's pool. It is not a mock draft or necessarily an indication of where the players will get selected or where bids may come for father-son or academy players.
1. Cameron Rayner
2. Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Paddy Dow
4. Adam Cerra
5. Jaidyn Stephenson
6. Andrew Brayshaw
7. Darcy Fogarty
8. Jack Higgins
9. Hunter Clark
10. Aaron Naughton (+2)
11. Nick Coffield (-1)
12. Jarrod Brander (-1) ... The Giants will take a look at No.11, but he could get through to the Brisbane Lions'
and Richmond's picks later in the first round.
13. Patrick Naish
POS: Midfielder, Ht 183cm, Wt 73kg, DOB 15/1/1999
From Northern Knights/Vic Metro
October ranking: 13
The Richmond father-son prospect had an excellent season as a developing midfielder with great run and carry and drive from the wing. Naish is relatively lightly framed and plays best on the outside, but his ability to make ground for his side, as well as his penetrating and precise kicking, gives him genuine tricks. Made the under-18 All Australian side after a strong carnival for Vic Metro and can comfortably be used across half-forward having proved his craft around goal.
Where does he go? The Tigers will be hopeful a bid doesn't come for Naish until after their third pick (No.25 overall) and that's possible. Western Bulldogs (No.16), Geelong (No.22 and 24) and North Melbourne (No.23) are the biggest threats.
14. Ed Richards (+3)
15. Lochie O'Brien (+1) ... Carlton at No.10 is a slim chance if things fall a certain way.
After that, Richmond and West Coast will have a look later on in the piece.
16. Oscar Allen (+2) ... He's in the mix for the Giants at No.11, and West Coast would look at No.13 as well.
The Tigers and Gold Coast will also have a look at Allen later on in the top 20 if still available.
17. Aiden Bonar (+2)
18. Charlie Constable (-3)
19. Sam Hayes (-5) .... Looks set to drop down the draft board as clubs shy away from ruckmen with early picks.
Richmond will be a chance, perhaps with No.25,
as might the Giants with their pair of second-round selections.
It wouldn't shock if Hayes is still on the board after pick 30.
20. Nathan Murphy (+2) ... Murphy has been invited to the draft so is in some clubs' thoughts as an early pick.
The Pies have watched plenty of him throughout the year and he's in the mix for No.6.
Sydney, Richmond and the Bulldogs could also look at Murphy in the teens.
21. Matthew Ling
22. Lachlan Fogarty (+2)
23. Zac Bailey (+2)
24. Charlie Spargo (into top 25)
25. Charlie Ballard (into top 25) ... Most expect Ballard gets called somewhere in the second round.
Richmond will consider with its second-round picks,
while St Kilda, Melbourne and Geelong have also been linked as possible destinations.
26. Jordan Houlahan
27. Connor Ballenden (-7)
28. Jack Petruccelle
29. Gryan Miers .... Depending on whether the Giants go small or tall at No.11, they could look at Miers with their second-round selections.
Richmond is considered a chance, while Geelong and West Coast will also be in the mix.
30. Ryley Stoddart
Balta has dropped out of the top 30.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-17/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-november-edition
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Please format.
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Brett Anderson:
Poor times in 2km for Rayner, Fogarty & Constable. But put a Sherrin out there and they are different beasts. Placing too greater emphasis on athleticism rather than footy IQ is dangerous - IQ wins you more games than not. #AFLDraft
Jesse Caldera:
Brett. Constable failing is brilliant. Tigers can grab him with pick 17, or 20. Brilliant.
Brett Anderson:
Massive Tigers fan too.
https://twitter.com/BAndersonSEN/status/931458897344204800
Please format.
Click on link ;).
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Brett Anderson:
Poor times in 2km for Rayner, Fogarty & Constable. But put a Sherrin out there and they are different beasts. Placing too greater emphasis on athleticism rather than footy IQ is dangerous - IQ wins you more games than not. #AFLDraft
How Jack Graham fell into our lap at pick 53. Clubs before last year's draft thought he wasn't athletic enough for AFL and as a 'man-child' had no improvement left in him. He proved them wrong on Grand Final day :thumbsup.
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Jarrod Brander's draft position up in the air. The key forward/defender was seen as a likely top-10 pick but now seems likely to be available late in the first round. Richmond would be a chance given list and their picks.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/932113190070075392
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Club-by-club draft guide – part two
Daniel Cherny
The Age
19 November 2017
RICHMOND
Draft picks: 17, 20, 25, 53, 55
DEPTH CHART
KEY DEFENDERS: Alex Rance, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes, Ryan Garthwaite
SMALL/MEDIUM DEFENDERS: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Brandon Ellis, Nathan Broad, Kamdyn McIntosh, Oleg Markov, Jayden Short, Reece Conca
MIDFIELDERS: Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Dion Prestia, Kane Lambert, Shane Edwards, Josh Caddy, Shaun Grigg, Jack Graham, Anthony Miles, Corey Ellis, Connor Menadue
KEY FORWARDS: Jack Riewoldt, Ben Griffiths, Callum Moore, Mabior Chol
SMALL/MEDIUM FORWARDS: Daniel Rioli, Dan Butler, Jacob Townsend, Jason Castagna, Shai Bolton, Sam Lloyd, Tyson Stengle, Nathan Drummond
RUCKS: Toby Nankervis, Shaun Hampson, Ivan Soldo
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For a club that has just won the premiership with a relatively young list, Richmond are in a remarkably good position at this draft. They have three picks in the top 25, as well as priority access to father-son prospect Patrick Naish.
The son of Chris Naish is a speedy midfielder and talk in recent days suggests a bid may only come mid-way through the second round of the draft, which would be a terrific result for the Tigers as it could effectively mean four picks inside the top 30.
It's set to become football folklore that Richmond won the flag with a mosquito fleet, and it's hard to predict whether the game is heading the way of smaller sides or if the Tigers' 2017 was just a highly-effective fad.
In any case, it's hard to imagine the Tigers not trying to get a bit more height on their list, and they look right in the mix to nab ruckman Sam Hayes with one of their early picks.
The sliding Jarrod Brander could be available and, if he is, the former Giants academy player looks a risk worth taking.
It's also believed the Tigers had an eye on South Australian tall Harrison Petty, who shifted from the forward line to defence this year.
Richmond's picks are also in the expected range of tall midfielder Charlie Constable, who would add something different to the midfield mix.
Richmond also have bidding rights on next-generation academy player Derek Smith, who appeared a handful of times for the Tigers' VFL side this year.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/trading-and-drafting/afl-draft-2017-club-by-club-guide-part-two-20171118-gzo2he.html
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The local rag in Perth says that we are considering Will Powell from Claremont.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-draft-thread.1165218/page-81#post-53465726
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The local rag in Perth says that we are considering Will Powell from Claremont.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-draft-thread.1165218/page-81#post-53465726
Didn't see the article, but wouldn't be surprised. A few clubs are reportedly keen on him.
A big knock on him however. Lacks focus on his football. Apparently spends too much time on the net running a Richmond fan website.
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LOL
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:lol
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The local rag in Perth says that we are considering Will Powell from Claremont.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-draft-thread.1165218/page-81#post-53465726
Didn't see the article, but wouldn't be surprised. A few clubs are reportedly keen on him.
A big knock on him however. Lacks focus on his football. Apparently spends too much time on the net running a Richmond fan website.
Hopefully he plays better than he moderates :shh :shh :shh
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Won't make a good coach post-playing career....plays favourites too much..... :shh
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Brett Anderson has us taking the following players in his mock draft out today:
17 Jarrod Brander Bendigo Tall
20 Zac Bailey - Norwood Mid
25 Callum Coleman Jones WA Ruck
27 Patrick Naish F/S Mid
78 Flynn Appelby GWV Rebels Defender (towelled up Kayle Kirby in the VFL late in the year)
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That would be.....disappointing....
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A tall, a ruck and Naish as a cheap F/S would be a good idea IMO
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If we're going to waste a top 30 pick on a ruck at least waste it on Hayes....
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In order I would think best value would be:
Higgins
Brander
Hayes
Naish (assuming no bid comes which I think it will)
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Brett Anderson has us taking the following players in his mock draft out today:
17 Jarrod Brander Bendigo Tall
20 Zac Bailey - Norwood Mid
25 Callum Coleman Jones WA Ruck
27 Patrick Naish F/S Mid
78 Flynn Appelby GWV Rebels Defender (towelled up Kayle Kirby in the VFL late in the year)
Here's the link to his mock draft:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/11/20/brett-andersons-2017-afl-mock-draft/
If you told Richmond at the start of the year that they'd be picking this deep in the first round and Brander would still be available, they would have been more shocked than if you told them they'd win the flag. The Tigers are confident that a big on Patrick Naish will come after their third pick (25) and are on the hunt for talls.
Who else? Nathan Murphy, Sam Hayes
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The Tigers could secure sliding swingman Jarrod Brander at pick 17 on Friday night.
Top-five prospect Jaidyn Stephenson might also be available as clubs reassess his heart condition.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/richmond-could-secure-fatherson-patrick-naish-outside-its-top-three-draft-picks/news-story/9111bbfaa400548255a7beb52bee7762
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Gary Buckenara's Top 50: Picks 26-50
26. Ryley Stoddart
27. Nathan Murphy
28. Ed Richards
29. Charlie Ballard
30. James Worpel
31. Jordan Houlahan
32. Jackson Edwards
33. Dylan Moore
34. Zac Baley
35. Liam Ryan
36. Jack Petruccelle
37. Sam Taylor
38. Jackson Ross
39. Charlie Spargo
40. Ben Paton
41. Brent Daniels
42. Callum Coleman-Jones
43. Tom De Koning
44. Tim Kelly
45. Oscar Clavarino
46. Will Walker
47. Brayden Ainsworth
48. Hayden Schloithe
49. Andrew McPherson
50. Toby Wooller
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2017-top-50-picks-by-gary-buckenara/news-story/ac71e83c9b107d83fc354745b724a49c
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Charlie Constable's AFL website profile and draft preview:
Draft range: Looks likely to be taken later in the first round or in the early stages of the second round.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Tomorrows-Heroes-18-Charlie-Constable-.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-21/tomorrows-heroes-clearance-king-with-scope-to-grow
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If our targets a gone wouldn't be against getting him looks class.
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Hopefully has a bit of const....able in him.... :shh
At the very least, he should provide the grog squad with a goldmine of humourous chants...especially if we also get Bonar.... :clapping
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some clubs rated him a top 5 prospect all year and have cooled slightly bc his combine running results were poor.
If hes available, Id be happy for us to take him with one of our first 3 picks
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Gary Buckenara's full draft Top 50:
He has Naish at 14 and the likes Naughton, Brayshaw & Allen amongst others still available at our first pick at 17.
1. Cameron Rayner
2. Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Adam Cerra
4. Paddy Dow
5. Darcy Fogarty
6. Sam Hayes
7. Nick Coffield
8. Jaidyn Stephenson
9. Jack Higgins
10. Jarrod Brander
11. Charlie Constable
12. Hunter Clark
13. Lochie O'Brien
14. Patrick Naish
Midfielder, 183cm, 73kg, Northern Knights/Vic Metro
Buckenara says: I would be very surprised if a bid doesn’t come for Richmond father-son prospect Naish (his dad Chris Naish played 143 games for the Tigers) in the first round of this draft. Naish gives the top end of the draft some genuine pace and he loves to tuck the ball under his arm and take them on and with his penetrating right-foot kicking, which is a combination that will be attractive to all clubs. He also makes good decisions with the ball. I have no doubt Richmond will match any bid that comes. He’s a nice player and will fit in well at the Tigers.
Plays like: Jordan De Goey
15. Noah Balta
16. Lachlan Fogarty
17. Aaron Naughton
18. Andrew Brayshaw
19. Gryan Miers
20. Matthew Ling
21. Aiden Bonar
22. Harrison Petty
23. Oscar Allen
24. Joel Garner
25. Connor Ballenden
26. Ryley Stoddart
27. Nathan Murphy
28. Ed Richards
29. Charlie Ballard
30. James Worpel
31. Jordan Houlahan
32. Jackson Edwards
33. Dylan Moore
34. Zac Baley
35. Liam Ryan
36. Jack Petruccelle
37. Sam Taylor
38. Jackson Ross
39. Charlie Spargo
40. Ben Paton
41. Brent Daniels
42. Callum Coleman-Jones
43. Tom De Koning
44. Tim Kelly
45. Oscar Clavarino
46. Will Walker
47. Brayden Ainsworth
48. Hayden Schloithe
49. Andrew McPherson
50. Toby Wooller
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2017-top-50-picks-by-gary-buckenara/news-story/ac71e83c9b107d83fc354745b724a49c
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Either clubs are holding their cards a lot closer to their chest this year and able to control leaks or this draft is the widest open one ever and no one truly has a clue who will go where. Usually two days before the draft, the likes of Twomey, Anderson and Landsberger (Emma Quayle is no longer in the media) have a fair idea of the order of top half-dozen at least.
Ramps, Landsberger reckons Stephenson will either go to the Pies at 6 or drop down a fair way. I wouldn't mind Allen too but I think he'll be gone before pick 17.
Hopefully, all this uncertainty works in our favour and it's a good year for the reigning premiers to have 3 picks b/w 17-25 to grab those that unexpectedly fall through.
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Kevin Sheehan’s top 40 draft prospects (in alphabetical order) and draft preditions:
Oscar Allen, Zac Bailey, Connor Ballenden (Brisbane Lions academy), Noah Balta, Aiden Bonar, Jarrod Brander, Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra, Hunter Clark, Oscar Clavarino, Nick Coffield, Callum Coleman-Jones, Charlie Constable, Brayden Crossley (Gold Coast Suns academy), Luke Davies-Uniacke, Hugh Dixon, Paddy Dow, Darcy Fogarty, Lachlan Fogarty, Joel Garner, Sam Hayes, Jack Higgins, Jordan Houlahan, Matthew Ling, Gryan Miers, Dylan Moore, Nathan Murphy, Patrick Naish (Richmond father-son), Aaron Naughton, Lochie O’Brien, Ben Paton, Harrison Petty, Cameron Rayner, Ed Richards, Nick Shipley, Charlie Spargo, Jaidyn Stephenson, Sam Taylor, Toby Wooller, James Worpel.
The bolters: Ed Richards and Aiden Bonar
Richards, the grandson of Ron Richards and the great nephew of Lou Richards, is an exciting half-back with a beautiful left-foot kick that has soared into first-round calculations after an exciting end to the 2017 TAC Cup season. As the name suggests, he’s a mad Collingwood fan, but he definitely won’t be available still at Pick 38 (the Magpies’ second pick) as he’s been linked closely with the GWS Giants at Pick 11. Bonar has overcome great injury adversity — he’s already undergone two knee reconstructions as a teenager — to push into top 10 contention, thanks to a stunning draft combine campaign. A mobile forward at 190cm, Bonar could go anywhere between Picks 8 and 14.
The sliders: Jarrod Brander and Charlie Constable
At the start of the season, Brander loomed as potential Pick 1. Now he could slide as far into the second round, despite being the definition of a football swingman. Brander declared last month he’d love to go to a “big club”, so Richmond — which could do with more talls — at Pick 17 or 20 might be a perfect fit. Constable soared into top 10 calculations after a dominant carnival for Vic Metro, but some clubs have concerns over his aerobic capacity. A big-bodied midfielder blessed with goalkicking ability and a knack for accumulating the ball, Constable could go as early as Pick 15 with the Swans or deep into the second round.
The smokies: Zac Bailey and Charlie Ballard
As the Northern Territory’s best prospect, Bailey could sneak into the first round. He impressed with his line-breaking and accumulating skills, especially in contested situations, for the Allies at the national champs. Another champs bolter was Ballard — a tall wingman at 195cm from South Australia that has genuinely caught the eyes of club recruiters as the season has progressed. He played in both of Sturt’s Under 18 and Reserves premiership teams in the SANFL, but played different roles — one on the wing and the other up forward — in both games.
Mature-age recruits: Liam Ryan and Tim Kelly
The best mature-age prospects this year are from the WAFL — and whoever picks up Kelly and Ryan will have two gun prospects. Kelly, 23, is a goalkicking midfielder that wins ample contested ball and admits he’s better prepared for an AFL career now than what he was five years ago when he was draft eligible. Ryan, 21, has the most exciting highlights reel of any draft prospect this year, with his speed, high-marking ability and goalkicking stunning WAFL onlookers. An excitement machine in every sense of the term, Ryan won the Bernie Naylor medal for most WAFL goals in a season with 71 — the most since 2010.
HOW WILL THE FIRST ROUND PAN OUT?
THAT all depends on which player the Brisbane Lions select with Pick 1.
The race for Pick 1 is still wide open, with up to four players in line to be selected by the Lions. Western Jets gun Cameron Rayner, who has drawn comparisons to Dustin Martin and Christian Petracca, is a strong chance to be taken first, but Sandringham’s Andrew Brayshaw has bolted into contention thanks to a strong back-end to the year. Bendigo’s Paddy Dow and Dandenong’s Luke Davies-Uniacke are the other two players in the mix.
Foxfooty.com.au is predicting that the Lions will take Rayner with Pick 1, but Fremantle is unlikely to take Brayshaw at Pick 2. Instead, the Dockers will probably opt for Davies-Uniacke, with Carlton then picking Dow at the third selection.
North Melbourne had been linked heavily to Jaidyn Stephenson at Pick 4, but Eastern Ranges teammate Adam Cerra might leapfrog him here after Stephenson’s heart condition came to light. The Dockers’ fifth selection will be fascinating. They may opt for Brayshaw second-time round or Stephenson, but WA local Aaron Naughton might also be a chance.
From Pick 6 onwards, it gets a little murky. Collingwood has shown interest in Naughton, but SA’s Darcy Fogarty is also a chance. St Kilda has Picks 7 and 8 and will take the best available players, so don’t expect Brayshaw and Stephenson to be left hanging by Pick 8.
Northern Knights gun Nick Coffieldis a mad Western Bulldogs fan and could well get through to their selection at Pick 9, while Carlton is set to pick Darcy Fogarty at Pick 10 should he still be available.
Players who could make up the rest of the first round include Oakleigh duo Jack Higgins and Ed Richards — the grandson of Collingwood great Ron Richards — Dandenong pair Hunter Clark and Aiden Bonar, Bendigo’s Lochie O’Brien, Western Jets’ Lachie Fogarty, Sandringham’s Charlie Constable. Should he be available at Pick 13, WA local Oscar Allen is likely to be taken by the West Coast Eagles.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2017-times-predictions-and-picks-in-your-ultimate-guide-to-the-national-afl-draft/news-story/76c4676dd8855e2dd90983ad5c168d90
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How Richmond's premiership win has put a new breed of player in vogue
November 22, 2017
Riley Beveridge
FOX SPORTS
ROSS Lyon coined the phrase: “Trends are your friends.”
And, indeed, AFL recruiters are appearing to catch on.
Just months after a game plan crafted around unrelenting forward pressure helped Richmond to a flag, clubs around the country are buying into draft prospects who will cause endless nightmares for opposition defenders.
Gone are the days where teams with early draft picks will search — and often reach — for the country’s best junior key-position talent, replaced by an urgency for youngsters who will chase and harass opponents inside 50.
With it goes the potential of so-called ‘undersized’ players slipping down the order, as was the case just three years ago when the 167cm Caleb Daniel fell to Pick 46 in the national draft.
That was despite Daniel being Champion Data’s highest-ranked player at that season’s Under 18s National Championships.
Instead, in Friday’s national draft, as many as six players 179cm or under could be recruited inside the top 25 selections — an unprecedented occurrence, but a sign of the changing times within the AFL.
Last year, there were only two players in that height bracket chosen within the top 25 picks. The year prior? Three. The year before that, in Daniel’s draft year? Just one.
Mosquito fleets — like the one featuring Daniel Rioli, Dan Butler and Jason Castagna at Richmond this season — are in vogue. And recruiters are understandably keen to replicate such a style at their own club.
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With such high demand for those players, taller and less mobile prospects are slipping down the order — almost a reverse scenario to what has been the case at almost every draft over the last decade.
Sam Hayes (203cm), Connor Ballenden (199cm) and Jarrod Brander (194cm) were once touted as top 10 picks. But Brander now looks more likely to be considered late in the first round, while Hayes and Ballenden are a chance of slipping outside the top 30 altogether.
It’s an indication of exactly where the game is going — and perhaps what it takes to win premierships.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2017-how-richmonds-premiership-win-has-put-a-new-breed-of-player-in-vogue/news-story/8ef4e978533b3c2edda1e9db1fef2fcf
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Toomey has us taking Stephenson, Brander, Hayes, Naish plus one other.
That would be a terrific result for us.
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Toomey has us taking Stephenson, Brander, Hayes, Naish plus one other.
That would be a terrific result for us.
Would be sensational! Brander is a must and Stephenson is pure excitement. Naish will also be a Tiger :clapping
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Toomey has us taking Stephenson, Brander, Hayes, Naish plus one other.
That would be a terrific result for us.
With Stephenson, Brander and Naish I would be happy to also take the risk on Hayes, even though I expect him to end up like Vickery
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Callum Twomey's 2017 Phantom Draft
afl.com.au
23 November 2017
WELL, this has been a hard one.
The time has come for AFL.com.au's Phantom Draft top 30, but it has not been easy at all this year. The players at the top end are so even that clubs are still spending the last 48 hours leading up to draft night deciding on their plans.
Piecing things together, particularly without a lock at No.1, has made the 2017 crop a unique one.
With things still in flux, we will have the Late Mail Phantom Draft through on Thursday night with all the latest whispers ahead of the NAB AFL Draft in Sydney on Friday night.
1. Bris - Cameron Rayner
2. Freo - Luke Davies-Uniacke
3. Carl - Paddy Dow
4. North - Darcy Fogarty
5. Freo - Andrew Brayshaw
6. Coll - Adam Cerra
7. St.K - Hunter Clark
8. St.K - Nick Coffield
9. Dogs - Aaron Naughton
10. Carl - Ed Richards
11. GWS - Jack Higgins
12. Adel - Aiden Bonar
13. WCE - Oscar Allen
14. Syd - Lochie O'Brien
15. Bris - Lachie Fogarty
16. Dogs - Nathan Murphy
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/17_2017phantomdraft_v2.jpg)
JAIDYN STEPHENSON
POS: Half-forward
Ht 189cm Wt 76kg DOB 15/1/1999
From Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
Stephenson's heart condition that was uncovered at the recent NAB AFL Draft Combine has concerned some clubs enough that he could be available to the premiers when nobody could have imagined that two months ago. The Tigers still have to make a call at that point, but Stephenson is a unique prospect, with a different set of skills and if cleared by Richmond medicos would be a draft bonus for the premiers. He is quick and sharp and nimble, he has a good leap, and he loves to dash away with the ball. He'll start his career in the forward line and is capable of kicking bags when given some space.
If not him? The Tigers have three picks within nine selections so have a few in their mix, but could jump for Charlie Ballard here, or go with Jarrod Brander. There's a chance Jack Higgins is also still on the board.
18. Bris - Zac Bailey
19. GC - Charlie Ballard
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/20_2017phantomdraft_v2.jpg)
JARROD BRANDER
POS: Key defender/key forward
Ht 194cm Wt 89kg DOB 11/2/1999
From Bendigo Pioneers/Allies
Richmond has put more work into Brander since it became clear the key swingman might be available at their pick. The Tigers won the premiership without too much support for Jack Riewoldt in attack from the talls department, but Brander could play a marking role there as well as in defence. He started the season tipped as a possible No.1 pick but inconsistency has seen him drop a bit further back down the order. At this spot he would be difficult to pass up.
If not him? Could the Tigers look for another small forward after their premiership success? Brent Daniels might appeal in this range. As may Gryan Miers. If Charlie Ballard is here the Tigers would have a think, while West Australian key defender Sam Taylor would offer some back-up if they don't go with Brander.
21. WCE - Ryley Stoddart
22. Geel - Sam Taylor
23. North - Matthew Ling
24. Geel - Brent Daniels
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/25_Phantom%20Draft%20Flat2017.jpg)
SAM HAYES
POS: Ruckman/key forward
Ht 203cm Wt 93kg DOB 9/6/1999
From Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
The back-to-back All Australian has been sliding down the draft order since an underwhelming run at the Draft Combine, which made some clubs believe he would take a long time to be ready to ruck at AFL level. That means some are now viewing him as a tall forward who can pinch-hit in the ruck rather than the other way around. The Tigers, at their third pick and fresh from a flag, could grab him and give him time to develop because he certainly has some excellent traits to his game and plenty to work with.
If not him? Callum Coleman-Jones is another tall prospect who could be selected in this draft range for clubs searching to add to their big man stocks.
26. WCE - Callum Coleman-Jones
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/27_Phantom%20Draft%20Flat2017.jpg)
(Matching Greater Western Sydney's bid)
PATRICK NAISH
POS: Midfielder
Ht 183cm Wt 73kg DOB 15/1/1999
From Northern Knights/Vic Metro
It was a magnificent season for Naish, with the developing outside midfielder playing great footy for the Northern Knights at TAC Cup level and also for Vic Metro at the under-18 championships where he was named an All Australian. Naish is a runner and a kicker: he will give a team great mileage because he likes to take things on and then use his quality right-foot disposal to size up targets. He also kicks goals, and has shown a capacity to do that on a regular basis. The son of former Tigers forward Chris Naish, the 18-year-old has spent time at Punt Road as part of the club's father-son academy program and is bright, bubbly and entertaining company.
If not him? This would be the perfect scenario for the Tigers, to get Naish after they have already use their first three picks. The main dangers for a bid before this stage are North at No.23 and Geelong at 22 or 24. If a bid comes here, Richmond will match it as fast as possible and bring in their first father-son since 2003.
28. GWS - Harrison Petty
29. GWS - Jack Pettrucelle
30. Melb - Oscar Baker
Who will your club target later in the draft?
A number of players have been linked to clubs after the first 30 selections. AFL.com.au has found some of the possible options available for picks after the early stages of the draft.
We have listed every draft choice assigned by the AFL, and also predicted how many each club is expected to use with a total of approximately 77 selections.
Unlike the Phantom Draft top 30, where the draft order has changed according to a possible father-son bid, for the below selections we have kept the order as it will start according to the AFL.
It will change across the night as bids come and are matched.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/RICH-2.jpg)
Draft picks: 17, 20, 25, 53, 55 (likely to use five selections)
The perfect result for the Tigers would be for them to secure three players, and then have to match a bid for Patrick Naish by using points from their fourth and fifth selections. In that case their fifth and final pick could be slightly pushed back a bit further until later in the draft. Depending on what they grab with their earlier picks, they could look for a smaller type in the mould of Dylan Moore, who had a very consistent season, or they could try to pick a tall like Hayden McLean, who finished the year in better form and works hard in attack. The Tigers have access to Derek Smith Jr, who played in their VFL side at stages this season, as a Next Generation Academy prospect but a rookie consideration seems more likely than the national draft.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-22/callum-twomeys-2017-phantom-draft
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Q. Stevenson to the Tigers at 17? I wasn't sure who you barracked for before now Cam.. but I think I do now!
Twomey: Haha I don’t barrack for them and even they might not take him.
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Roksman:
All year people telling him that Naish is nowhere near Top 15, calls people out for it.... Now follows what everyone has been saying. Classic Cal. I'd be shocked if he attended 5 junior games all year.
Twomey: No, you’ve mistaken it. All year I’ve rated him there and still do. What is with Richmond supporters getting angry about someone rating their father son player highly? How can an opinion on a player’s talent be wrong? It’s so bizarre.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/with_replies
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We have no recycled players training with us:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2017-lifelines-players-training-with-afl-clubs-and-hoping-to-be-signed/news-story/688edbd5b9af19557c1d72551524d596
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CLUBS will make a $400,000 decision every time it selects a player in Friday night’s national draft in Sydney.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-clubs-make-approximately-400000-decisions-with-it-selects-a-player-in-the-draft/news-story/5fa49512b154dd626081d008c4957ef7
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From Callum Twomey's live draft chat:
Q. Is there still a chance a club will bid on Patrick Naish before Richmond’s first selection - pick 17?
Cal Twomey: Don't think so. Geelong and North the main concerns for the Tigers I'd imagine in the 17-25 bracket.
Q. Stephenson looks the slider - which Clubs have ruled him out? Loks perfect for the Swans, are they interested?
Cal Twomey: A few I've spoken to won't be going with Jaidyn, which is disappointing for him. But Collingwood has an interest at No.6, while the Saints have done plenty of work too. Think the Swans at No.14 will have a very hard look at him, then the Tigers and Cats are other chances.
Q. How confident are you that Stephenson will fall to the Tigers and that we'd take him?
Cal Twomey: He is the mystery of the draft so he's very hard to place. Think clubs who are interested are still doing their due diligence.
Q. Where does Higgins end up? Looks a gem
Cal Twomey: Anywhere from the Giant at 11 to the Eagles at 21 I reckon. Most clubs inside that bracket will have a good look at him. If he got to the Tigers I think they should grab him.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-23/chat-with-the-draft-guru-live-from-1pm-aedt
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@__Daniel__16: If Richmond snag ie Stephenson and Brander, do they go kpp or Chook ?
@BAndersonSEN: Ruck/fwd.
@BAndersonSEN: If Stephenson gets past St Kilda, then Sydney is the next possible landing spot. If not there, he may well get into 20s. Cats a show in the 20s. #AFLDraft
@HumanMeatball3: Do you really not see Richmond taking him?
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@BAndersonSEN: Undecided.
@ddinardo17: Surely the Tigers go for him with 2 more picks coming soon after
@BAndersonSEN: Possibly. But its a complicated case.
@paulmynott: Absolutely nothing wrong with the kid. Biggest load of rubbish i have heard. The club that doesnt take him will regret it. #justsaying
@paulmynott: Its pretty annoying reading all this about Jaidyn. A quality young man and the best talent in the draft IMO. Has had medical clearance.
@brettenlund: Spot on mate! I agree completely too. Clubs will regret it down the track if they pass him up #willbeagenuinesuperstar
@BAndersonSEN: I hope so Paul. Good luck for the young fella tomorrow night!
https://twitter.com/BAndersonSEN/with_replies
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Collingwood & Richmond still weighing up position on Jaidyn Stephenson
November 23, 2017 6:47pm
Jake Niall
FOX SPORTS
LITTLE more than 24 hours from the national draft, Collingwood and Richmond are still weighing up their position on one of the most talented players in the pool — Eastern Ranges forward/midfielder Jaidyn Stephenson.
The Magpies and Tigers were understood to be still awaiting medical clearance to select Stephenson, who has a heart condition that has seen some clubs rule him out of selection in the first round — a stance that the Stephenson camp feel is alarmist and not justified.
The Tigers, indeed, have been considering whether they can pick Stephenson, in part because they think there is a chance that the speedster will slide down to Pick 17 — the premiers’ first of three picks inside the top 25.
But West Coast and Sydney are believed to have cleared Stephenson medically with both interested in drafting him. The Eagles have Pick 13, which would give them first shot before the Swans at Pick 14.
A number of clubs with picks in the first 20 have ruled out selecting Stephenson, including Carlton, while St Kilda is also considered unlikely to pick him at either Pick 7 or 8 and GWS is keen on other players at Pick 11.
With Brisbane certain to nominate forward Cameron Rayner at Pick 1, Carlton locked in on midfielder Paddy Dow at Pick 3 and poised midfielder Adam Cerra increasingly likely to be picked at either Pick 2 (Fremantle) or Pick 4 (North Melbourne), Collingwood appears to be the only club in the top dozen still considering Stephenson with their first selection at Pick 6.
There was a small chance that Andrew Brayshaw would fall through to Collingwood at Pick 6, but sources suggested on Thursday that he was still most likely to be picked inside the top five, meaning Collingwood’s call on Stephenson shapes as the biggest question mark on the first round of the draft.
North Melbourne is interested in both Cerra and South Australian utility Darcy Fogarty at Pick 4, along with Luke Davies-Uniacke, and are believed to rate both ahead of Brayshaw, whose father Mark is an ex-North player and board member.
The most likely scenario, however, has Cerra going to Fremantle at 2 and Dow to Carlton at 3, with Davies-Uniacke and Brayshaw rounding out the top five. The Dockers have Stephenson on their draft board, but are likely to look elsewhere inside the top five.
Stephenson’s heart condition — first detected at a routine draft screening — has prompted a risk-averse reaction from several clubs and his selection shapes as perhaps the biggest question of the draft. Some within clubs note that this condition — however potentially serious — has never been evident in his distinguished Under 18s career.
The Saints are believed to be looking seriously at running defender Nick Coffield and midfielder Hunter Clark at Picks 7 and 8, while the Western Bulldogs are favoured to select West Australian key defender Aaron Naughton at Pick 9.
In an outcome that would annoy Collingwood people, archrival Carlton is a serious chance to draft Oakleigh’s quick defender Ed Richards, the grandson of Magpie legend Ron Richards and grand nephew of Collingwood and media giant Lou Richards, at Pick 10, with Lochie O’Brien also in the mix for the Blues.
Athletic forward Aiden Bonar, who will not be picked by Carlton, is a major chance to be taken by GWS at Pick 11, assuming he is not picked by the Saints. GWS also likes Richards.
The Lions like Lachie Fogarty, a small forward, and could well choose him at Pick 15.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2017-collingwood-richmond-still-weighing-up-position-on-jaidyn-stephenson/news-story/a068c67f9f725e090eb8ef0e94555bbe
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Twomey's "late mail" has us taking
Nathan Murphy at 17,
Brander at 20,
Hayes at 25
Naish at 27 (after GWS's bid).
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Cal Twomey's late mail: Top five shake-up
afl.com.au
November 23, 2017 6:50 PM
ALL EYES will be on Fremantle's No.2 pick at Friday night's NAB AFL Draft, with midfielder Adam Cerra looming as a possible surprise selection.
The Dockers have been strongly linked to Dandenong Stingrays midfielder Luke Davies-Uniacke and he could still land there at the prized spot.
However, Cerra has been all the late rage as the top end takes shape and the Dockers work out their best combination of players with their two top-five selections.
With the Lions expected to take Victorian Cam Rayner at pick No.1, if the Dockers grab Cerra at No.2, Carlton would then be forced to choose between midfield jets Paddy Dow and Davies-Uniacke at No.3.
The Blues have long been linked to Dow, which would leave North to grab Davies-Uniacke and bolster its midfield.
Despite its interest in South Australian Darcy Fogarty, North Melbourne appears more likely to select one of midfield duo Davies-Uniacke or Cerra with its No.4 choice.
Freo's decision at No.2 will significantly shape how the rest of the top 10 plays out, in what has been described by recruiters as the most open and difficult draft to predict in memory.
Collingwood continues to be linked to Fogarty at its No.6 choice, but another player the Magpies are considering is Jaidyn Stephenson, whose place in the draft order has been difficult to ascertain after the teenager's heart condition came to light for clubs at last month's NAB AFL Draft Combine.
The Magpies were one of the clubs who were part of extra medical assessments on Stephenson last week, while St Kilda has also done extensive work on the exciting half-forward/midfielder. Collingwood is still waiting on medical clearances before weighing up whether to draft the high-marking and speedy player.
If neither of those clubs grab Stephenson, West Coast will strongly consider him at pick No.13, while Sydney could also be a chance at No.14.
Richmond is also considering its decision with Stephenson and whether it will pounce on him should he be available at its one of its three top-25 choices. Few would have expected that Stephenson could reach the club.
Geelong has also emerged as a possible home for the Eastern Ranges product, with Stephenson seen as being a good chance to head to the Cats if he's available at their picks (No.22 and 24 overall).
The news of Stephenson's condition has seen clubs contact the League for extra information and testing, and thrown his draft position into a spin just a day out from names being called.
Carlton could have to make the call between Lochie O'Brien and Ed Richards at No.10, which would then likely have an impact on the Giants (No.11) and Adelaide (No.12) selections with a group of players in both the mix for both clubs. Aiden Bonar is a strong chance to head to GWS or Adelaide.
Tom McCartin, the younger brother of St Kilda's Paddy, has been linked to North's second choice at No.23, while small forward Jack Higgins could land at the Western Bulldogs or Richmond.
LATE MAIL TOP 30
Pick 1 – Brisbane Lions – Cameron Rayner
Pick 2 – Fremantle – Adam Cerra
Pick 3 – Carlton – Paddy Dow
Pick 4 – North Melbourne – Luke Davies-Uniacke
Pick 5 – Fremantle – Andrew Brayshaw
Pick 6 – Collingwood – Darcy Fogarty
Pick 7 – St Kilda – Hunter Clark
Pick 8 – St Kilda – Nick Coffield
Pick 9 – Western Bulldogs – Aaron Naughton
Pick 10 – Carlton – Lochie O'Brien
Pick 11 – Greater Western Sydney – Aiden Bonar
Pick 12 – Adelaide – Ed Richards
Pick 13 – West Coast – Jaidyn Stephenson
Pick 14 – Sydney – Oscar Allen
Pick 15 – Brisbane Lions – Lachie Fogarty
Pick 16 – Western Bulldogs – Jack Higgins
Pick 17 – Richmond – Nathan Murphy
Pick 18 – Brisbane Lions – Zac Bailey
Pick 19 – Gold Coast – Charlie Ballard
Pick 20 – Richmond – Jarrod Brander
Pick 21 – West Coast – Ryley Stoddart
Pick 22 – Geelong – Sam Taylor
Pick 23 – North Melbourne – Tom McCartin
Pick 24 – Geelong – Brent Daniels
Pick 25 – Richmond – Sam Hayes
Pick 26 – West Coast – Callum Coleman-Jones
Pick 27 – Richmond (matching GWS bid) – Patrick Naish
Pick 28 – Greater Western Sydney – Harrison Petty
Pick 29 – Greater Western Sydney – Jack Petruccelle
Pick 30 – Melbourne – Matt Ling
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-23/cal-twomeys-late-mail-topfive-draft-bolter
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Don't mind Murphy, Great mitts, ballsy contested marks, good kick, looks really good all round.
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Don't mind Murphy, Great mitts, ballsy contested marks, good kick, looks really good all round.
Yep agree
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Q. Where does Higgins end up? Looks a gem
Cal Twomey: Anywhere from the Giant at 11 to the Eagles at 21 I reckon. Most clubs inside that bracket will have a good look at him. If he got to the Tigers I think they should grab him.
I get he is a good player, but does anyone think we would grab another small forward so high in the draft?
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From Brett Anderson's twitter:
@Sinbadf4w: if the tigers end up with all of stephenson/brander/hayes or coleman jones + naish do you think thats enough to keep there flag window open long term?
@BAndersonSEN: Will be doing cartwheels.
@Sinbadf4w: chances stephenson gets through to 17?
@BAndersonSEN: Might do. Might not. On talent he's top 5 comfortably.
@Sinbadf4w: yeah agree hoping for a miracle would be a big boost if richmond land him a premiership and a top 5 talent for 17 also with 3 decent picks and naish as a father son can afford a punt on his heart issue
https://twitter.com/BAndersonSEN/status/933661173420929024
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Sam Landsberger from the Herald-Sun has us Brander at 17 and Ballard at 20 in his phantom draft.
He also has Stephenson linked to the Eagles at 13 in a separate article as well.
ps. Brett Anderson's late word is Ballard going to the Dogs at 16.
1. Bris - Rayner
2. Freo - Cerra
3. Carl - Dow
4. North - Davis-Uniacke
5. Freo - Brayshaw
6. Coll - Darcy Fogarty
7. St.K - Clark
8. St.K - Coffield
9. Dogs - Naughton
10. Carl - Edwards
11. GWS - Higgins
12. Adel - Bonar
13. WCE - Stephenson
14. Sydney - Lachlan Fogarty
15. Bris - Allen
16. Dogs - Murphy
17. RICHMOND: JARROD BRANDER (Bendigo Pioneers)
194cm swingman
The Tigers started the year looking at Josh Schache and should instead get Brander, who began the year a No.1 prospect and is still heavily rated at Punt Rd. Richmond targeting talls and Brander the ideal result.
THE TWIST: Have the Tigers’ medical team cleared Jaidyn Stephenson? If so he would be irresistible, although they probably still take Brander.
18. Bris - O'Brien
19. GC - Powell
20. RICHMOND: CHARLIE BALLARD (Sturt)
195cm midfielder
Late developer who has grown 20m in the past year and played as a rangy wingman. Bolter who has come from nowhere as 195cm midfielders are hard to find.
THE TWIST: Has a bid come for Patrick Naish? Landing a second top-20 talent before securing their classy father-son would be a splendid result for the premiers.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/sam-landsberger-predicts-the-first-20-picks-at-the-afl-draft-who-will-your-club-pick/news-story/6d354abf1290b7802b09a939e213b2f1
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Late developer who has grown 20m in the past year
Wow, that is impressive :lol
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Q. Where does Higgins end up? Looks a gem
Cal Twomey: Anywhere from the Giant at 11 to the Eagles at 21 I reckon. Most clubs inside that bracket will have a good look at him. If he got to the Tigers I think they should grab him.
I get he is a good player, but does anyone think we would grab another small forward so high in the draft?
I'd be surprised with us going for another small forward with Rioli, Butler, Georgie, Stengle and Bolton already on our list and all still young.
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It seems the draft journos all agree on Brander ending up with us with one of our 3 early picks. They're still guessing about the other two. It depends on whether Stephenson falls through to us and if we're happy with his medical clearance.
Late developer who has grown 20m in the past year
Wow, that is impressive :lol
:lol
He must have Inspector Gadget arms and legs. Our mids would just have to kick it to the top of the goalposts for him to mark uncontested ;D.
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Foxsports article on Sam Hayes.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2017-sam-hayes-rapid-rise-from-uncoordinated-foal-to-best-ruck-prospect/news-story/39b8281e652eafaa55942f27ffc1d97a
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Don't mind Murphy, Great mitts, ballsy contested marks, good kick, looks really good all round.
And one of the youngest players in the draft.
Looks a very likely prospect. Would be a good get.
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Pick 17: Stephenson
Pick 20: Brander
Pick 25: Balta
Pick 26-29: Naish
:clapping
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AFL Draft 2017: Jarrod Brander keen to land to Richmond
Al Paton,
Herald Sun
24 November 2017 3:00pm
THE best key forward in the draft says it would be “awesome” if his name is read out by Richmond tonight.
Jarrod Brander was touted as a possible No.1 pick 12 months ago but has slipped down the rankings this year and is a chance to still be available at pick 17, the first of the Tigers’ three selections inside the top 25.
Brander stands 195cm and played forward and back for the Allies at this year’s under-18 championships.
“That would be awesome,” he said this morning of the prospect of being recruited by Richmond.
“They came up and I had a good chat to them lately and it would be awesome if it got to there, but I’d be happy to go anywhere.
“I have played up both of the grounds a lot this year but I think I’m more of a natural forward and hopefully that’s where I end up playing.”
The Tigers’ lack of a second key forward to support Jack Riewoldt this year was well documented but a young key defender could be even higher on the priority list given the lack of depth behind Alex Rance (28) and the injury-prone Dylan Grimes and David Astbury.
Brander is from Wentworth, half an hour from the NSW-Victoria border, and was originally zoned to GWS but became available to any team earlier this year after a fight led by Victorian clubs.
“There was a fair bit in the media about it but it didn’t bother me too much,” he said.
“I was just waiting for a decision, it took a fair while but when it came I just accepted it and moved on.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jarrod-brander-excited-by-the-prospect-of-heading-to-richmond/news-story/42da2adcd7bf4590522fed284643d1cf
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Now they want to come.
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Don't regret it: Ranges coach warns recruiters about Stephenson
Marc McGowan
afl.com.au
November 24, 2017
THE COACH of the TAC Cup's most-wanted list has warned AFL recruiters to overlook match-winner Jaidyn Stephenson at their peril.
Club officials are still frantically pouring over Stephenson's medical results after becoming aware of a heart irregularity at the NAB AFL Draft Combine in October.
Stephenson may slide into the late teens after once being considered a top-five selection, with premier Richmond doing its due diligence in the chance he is available at pick 17.
But Bewick said the drama about Stephenson's health was a gross overreaction and that the forward-midfielder had X-factor and could "win a game off his own boot".
AFL.com.au understands Stephenson's family has a history of the heart condition and played high-level sport without an issue.
"I'd suggest the clubs passing him up will regret it in three or four years' time when they see him running around," the dual Essendon premiership star told AFL.com.au.
"Jaidyn's not showing any sign of anything.
"He's one of our hardest workers on the track and he plays a very explosive game, so if it was going to be a problem then we would have seen it and it would have affected his footy."
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The draft's other potential slider, two-time under-18 All Australian ruckman Sam Hayes, is also a Ranges star.
The biggest criticism of Hayes targets his endurance and intensified with his poor testing at the NAB AFL Draft Combine, but Bewick said it was just the usual "pick on the big fella" mentality.
"Sam's twice All Australian; he's very raw and naïve about everything, but his upside is enormous," the eighth-year coach said.
"People are stuck on the fact he has no tank, but he's 18 years old and 203cm. That's something he can work on once he's in the system.
"I can see him in five, six years' time being one of the best big men in the competition."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-24/dont-regret-it-ranges-coach-warns-afl-recruiters
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Now they want to come.
Yeah, interesting isn't it.
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Draft about to start.
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live broadcast?
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SEN is doing live coverage.
Draft tracker on the AFL website here: http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-tracker
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1. Bris - Cam Rayner
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Feels good to hear Gill congratulate the Tigers on winning the flag before the start of the draft by the way :thumbsup.
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2. Freo - Andrew Brayshaw
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3. Carl - Paddy Dow
Poor kid :snidegrin.
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4. North - Luke Davies-Uniacke
Another poor sod.
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5. Freo - Adam Cerra
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Next up the Pies. Let's see if they pass on Stephenson or not.
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Good to see the interstate clubs picking Victorian kids.
:thumbsup
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And they have.
6. Coll - Jaidyn Stephenson
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7. St.K - Hunter Clark
Tiger supporter too.
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8. St.K - Nick Coffield
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7. St.K - Hunter Clark
Tiger supporter too.
Needs a haircut
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9. Bulldogs - Aaron Naughton
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10. Carl - Lochie O'Brien
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11. GWS - Aiden Bonar
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Darcy Fogarty is still on the board.
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And he's gone.
12. Adel - Darcy Fogarty
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Brander gone :-\.
13. WCE - Jarrod Brander
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14. Syd - Matthew Ling
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15. Bris - Zac Bailey
Oscar Allen still on the board.
Now will the Dogs bid?
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16. Bulldogs - Ed Richards
No bid :thumbsup
We're next.
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Jack Higgins....another small forward LOL
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Our theory must be to starve the competition of all the small fast forwards lol
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Sack our recruiters ,what are they thinking
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Bizarre
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I mean, welcome and all but they must wanna move someone on ....
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17. Rich - Jack Higgins
End of First Round.
18. Bris - Brandon Starevich
19. GC - Will Powell
We're next again.
20. Rich - Callum Coleman-Jones
21. WCE - Oscar Allen
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far crying out loud Nathan Murphy is still there...
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22. Geel - Lachlan Fogarty
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23. North - Will Walker
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far crying out loud Nathan Murphy is still there...
One more to go and we can still grab him.
We may go for Hayes though if we're after a KPP.
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24. Geel - Tim Kelly
We're next.
We can grab Naish post-25 :thumbsup
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25. Rich - Noah Balta
26. WCE - Liam Ryan
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I like Balta but I would of liked someone like Murphy in there as well...surprised,
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27. GWS - Brent Daniels
28. GWS - Sam Taylor
No bid there.
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29. Melb - Charlie Spargo
30. Carl - Tom De Koning
Nathan Murphy still available.
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31. Melb - Bailey Fritsch
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32. WCE - Brayden Ainsworth
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33. Syd - Tom McCartin
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34. St Kilda has bid for Naish.
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haha wankers
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No more picks now ??.
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We've matched the bid. Paddy is a Tiger.
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No more picks now ??.
We would've used one of our 50ish picks to get Naish.
So the other gets pushed back. Not sure where for the minute.
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I am not sure why, but I feel really underwhelmed with our draft at the minute.
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No more picks now ??.
We would've used one of our 50ish picks to get Naish.
So the other gets pushed back. Not sure where for the minute.
I just checked. It's now pick 64.
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35. Oscar Clavarino
36. Geel - Charlie Constable
37. Harrison Petty
End of Round 2
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I am not sure why, but I feel really underwhelmed with our draft at the minute.
Dont be Higgins was rated in top 10 and Balta has a huge upside
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I am not sure why, but I feel really underwhelmed with our draft at the minute.
Dont be Higgins was rated in top 10 and Balta has a huge upside
I'll trust our recruiters. We did just win a flag after all.
I guess I just fell for the Brander hype.
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38. WCE - Jack Petruccelle
39. Coll - Nathan Murphy
40. Adel - Andrew McPherson
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I am not sure why, but I feel really underwhelmed with our draft at the minute.
Dont be Higgins was rated in top 10 and Balta has a huge upside
I'll trust our recruiters. We did just win a flag after all.
I guess I just fell for the Brander hype.
Well he went before our first pick so not much we could do about that....
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41. Bris - Toby Wooller
42. GC - Charlie Ballard ..... one linked to us by the journos.
43. Bris - Connor Ballenden ... Freo bid and matched by the Lions.
44. Freo - Hugh Dixon
45. Haw - James Worpel
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Hayes gone.
46. St.K - Ben Paton
47. Port - Sam Hayes
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48. Melb - Oskar Baker
49. Ess - Jordan Houlahan
50. Coll - Tyler Brown (F/S) .. matched Port's bid.
51. Port - Kane Farrell
52. GC - Brayden Crossley (Academy)
53. Syd - Ryley Stoddart
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Are we likely to use pick 64?
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Are we likely to use pick 64?
They said before the draft we'd use 5 picks. So pick 64 would be our last.
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Hope we grab Joel Garner then.
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54. Bris - Jack Payne (Academy)
55. GC - Connor Nutting (Academy)
End of Round 3.
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56. GWS - Zac Giles Langdon
57. Geel - Gryan Miers
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Garner gone.
58. Port - Jack Patmore
59. Freo - Mitchell Crowden
60. Port - Joel Garner
61. Port - Dom Barry
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Our next pick has dropped to 63.
So we're after North.
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62. North - Kyron Hayden
We're next.
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That's it for us.
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Bummer
The Bombers grabbed this year's Kane Lambert in Matt Guelfi.
Suspect that we might have rookied him if we had the chance.
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Coleman-Jones or Balta might be more realistic targets as kpp
Bump ;)
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Our theory must be to starve the competition of all the small fast forwards lol
Like Diamonds 😉.
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The local rag in Perth says that we are considering Will Powell from Claremont.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2017-draft-thread.1165218/page-81#post-53465726
Our interest in this guy was so strong that GC didn't want to take the chance and took him earlier than they wanted/expected to.
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Like a few others on here I was a bit upset at taking Higgins, (a 178cm, 77kg small forward) with our first pick but got over it when I looked at our full group.
Before the draft we were said to be looking at Balta, Hayes, Taylor, Naish and maybe another tall in Brander if lucky.
Brander went early so he was off the board.
Higgins (179cm. 77kg) we grabbed at 17. We can assume that the recruiters made the call he was the best available. Pelchen, in the Inside Footy article, had him to the Bullies at 16.
Reading more about him he seems to be an upgrade on Castagna, Butler and Lloyd in terms of goal-kicking and tackling.
Coleman-Jones (201cm, 99kg) was our pick at 20. If you look at this pick as the ruck/forward choice then you have to say he was viewed as the better pick than Hayes, who went late at 47. Was an AFL Academy member.
Balta (195cm, 95kg) came at 25 as expected and hoped. Can play either end and has even taken a turn in the ruck with the only worry being his constistency. Think Griffith?
Naish (181cm, 69kg) came later than expected at 34 and that meant we could afford another pick.
Miller (196cm, 93kg) was our final pick at 64. A KPD who can pinch hit in the ruck from country WA.
Compared to what we hoped for pre-draft, that covers all the needs plus gives us another, highly rated small forward.
Of course the answer will come in the future but that group satisfies me ATM.
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You can never have enough good players on the list.
If we can up grade players then that is all good. We then have good players to get additional draft picks.
By the way Castagna can up grade himself just by getting clean possession instead of fumbling so often.
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/934940963339870208
How small is Higgins' head...?.....Miller's neck is bigger.....
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Most developed thighs out of the lot, bet he stands up well in a tackle
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Collingwood have a real knack for drafting players that look like they would support them.
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Both them & Essendon are joint ladder leaders in that regard.....
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Haven’t seen the heads that Essendon drafted but saw they had at least one typical Essendon name. That Stephenson bloke though. Definite Collingwood head on him and his name “Jaidyn” is a Frankston-esque special.
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All Essendon heads....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/essendon-excited-by-draft-haul-after-snaring-pizza-delivery-man-fruitpicker-and-electrician/news-story/92a8085b190c6db7ef5493d25b3a8fc2
Zerk-Thatcher has a name that screams Melbourne supporter as much as Essendon supporter but has a 100% Essendon supporter's after school/uni/weekend/ just left school job..... :shh
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We demand the return of Zerk !
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