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2018 free agents
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
6 September 2017
GOLD Coast's Tom Lynch, Rory Sloane, Max Gawn and Jeremy McGovern headline 2018's list of prospective free agents.
The AFL won't release its official 2018 free agency list until early next year, but AFL.com.au has compiled its own preliminary list (see below).
Of the players under 30, the midfield group includes Sloane, Andrew Gaff, Luke Dahlhaus, Tom Liberatore and Mitch Wallis, while the key-position group includes Lynch, McGovern, Tom McDonald, Ben Reid and Dylan Grimes.
Elite defenders Brodie Smith, Nick Smith and Neville Jetta are also on the list, along with ruckmen Gawn, Tom Nicholls, Tom Bellchambers and Scott Lycett.
The 2018 free agency group will also expand to include any players with seven years' experience or more who sign one-year deals later this year.
RICHMOND
Reece Conca
Ben Griffiths
Shaun Grigg
Dylan Grimes
Bachar Houli
Dylan Grimes has established himself as one of the Tigers' most valuable players and should be a priority re-signing for the club before his three-year deal expires at the end of next year. He would attract interest with his ability to play on both tall and small opponents. Bachar Houli, 29, has also underlined his value in 2017 but can probably expect rolling one-year extensions from here. Likewise Shaun Grigg, who signed one-year extensions for both 2017 and 2018 and has performed. Reece Conca's interrupted year has him outside the 22 and clubs could look at the defender once he is a free agent. Ben Griffiths has suffered significant injuries in 2017 – expect the Tigers to stick with the key forward while also targeting young players in that position.
See the full list for every club here: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-06/2018-free-agents-lynch-gaff-headline-monster-list
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OMG its like xmas, someone take them all but Grimes plsssssss
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Somehow I don't see any of those announcements being Footy Show exclusives.....
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OMG its like xmas, someone take them all but Grimes plsssssss
:cheers
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We will give em to anyone for free......except Optimus
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I don't get the negativity toward Conca.
I thought he showed a fair bit this year before he got injured again.
I understand he is injury prone, but if he does get a decent preseason under his belt next year, I reckon he will be a handy player.
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...is exactly what his supporters have been saying every stuffing year for the last five.....
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I don't get the negativity toward Conca.
I thought he showed a fair bit this year before he got injured again.
I understand he is injury prone, but if he does get a decent preseason under his belt next year, I reckon he will be a handy player.
Agree with your point slipper but there are too many that have moved passed him now.
Grimes, Vlastuin, Markov, Short, Cellis, McIntosh, Broad. Even Menadue probably gets a game ahead of him; and most of these guys arn't even established and hardened senior playersI was really hoping he might just slide into his early season form straight away but it hasn't happened. Time to move on.
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...is exactly what his supporters have been saying every stuffing year for the last five.....
I get the frustration.
I am just trying to be pragmatic. I thought his form earlier this year was good and he was playing well.
Then he gets injured again.
Fit an healthy I reckon he is in our best 22. IMO, Conca staying on our list depends on injury, not his ability. If the club thinks that he can't get over his injury issues then yeah, time to say goodbye.
But injury isn't his fault, which is why I don't understand why people are so negative about him.
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I thought he was ok too Slipper
But so was Short , and he got dropped . Broad hasn't done much wrong either since coming into the team .
Vlastuin is playing down back after early season experimentation and is looking like a boss.
Unfortunately Concas spot was his to lose and his body has really let him down .
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I don't get the negativity toward Conca.
I thought he showed a fair bit this year before he got injured again.
I understand he is injury prone, but if he does get a decent preseason under his belt next year, I reckon he will be a handy player.
If you dont get it Ill fill you in.
Ask the club and the swans what value they put on conca.
For the Nankervis trade we offered Conca and they rejected it. We then offered pick 47 and the trade was done.
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His currency may of been higher after round 5 but now it's back to steak knife levels .
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I don't get the negativity toward Conca.
I thought he showed a fair bit this year before he got injured again.
I understand he is injury prone, but if he does get a decent preseason under his belt next year, I reckon he will be a handy player.
If you dont get it Ill fill you in.
Ask the club and the swans what value they put on conca.
For the Nankervis trade we offered Conca and they rejected it. We then offered pick 47 and the trade was done.
Thats it in a nutshell.
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The other thing is he's always injured. Hes 26 next year and only played 86 games.
His injuries arent likely to get any better with age.
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Conca's disposal is disgraceful, that's what lets him down, not his body.
Pick 6- nailed it :lol
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If you dont get it Ill fill you in.
Ask the club and the swans what value they put on conca.
For the Nankervis trade we offered Conca and they rejected it. We then offered pick 47 and the trade was done.
Thanks for that.
An interesting analogy, but I don't think I'd bother asking either the club or the Swans what Conca was worth. Given that they agreed that Nankervis was only worth pick 47 you'd have to question the ability of either club to rate talent on this example.
I'll reiterate my point on Conca. I think he has the ability to be a handy player. Injuries have prevented him showing us what he can do, certainly in recent years. He has certainly had less chance to show us what he could do at AFL level than some of the other players on our list who have been given lots of games over a number of seasons and been found wanting at this level.
So while I get the idea that we would let Conca go if we feel he is injury prone, or if other players have gone past him, I am not sure why people are negative toward him. Richmond made him a pick 6, he didn't.
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An interesting analogy, but I don't think I'd bother asking either the club or the Swans what Conca was worth. Given that they agreed that Nankervis was only worth pick 47 you'd have to question the ability of either club to rate talent on this example.
Swans had an excess of rucks and RFC deserve praise for getting such a pick up at a good price, don't think they under rated his talent at all, if RFC gave a better pick would that mean they rated him more?.
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I don't get the negativity toward Conca.
I thought he showed a fair bit this year before he got injured again.
I understand he is injury prone, but if he does get a decent preseason under his belt next year, I reckon he will be a handy player.
Agree with your point slipper but there are too many that have moved passed him now.
Grimes, Vlastuin, Markov, Short, Cellis, McIntosh, Broad. Even Menadue probably gets a game ahead of him; and most of these guys arn't even established and hardened senior playersI was really hoping he might just slide into his early season form straight away but it hasn't happened. Time to move on.
How have Markov, Short, Cellis, or Broad moved past him.Look i want him gons as much as the next bloke but those blokes output is not better than Conca,s.Fmd id play him in front of Houli and Bellis out of the backline as well you know he will at least wear some contact.
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An interesting analogy, but I don't think I'd bother asking either the club or the Swans what Conca was worth. Given that they agreed that Nankervis was only worth pick 47 you'd have to question the ability of either club to rate talent on this example.
Swans had an excess of rucks and RFC deserve praise for getting such a pick up at a good price, don't think they under rated his talent at all, if RFC gave a better pick would that mean they rated him more?.
I was being a bit of a smartarse with my comment.
Yeah, you would think that Richmond did really well, and maybe we did know what we were doing. The art of the deal is to maximise the value you get.
But Mike Shanahan (ex- Denver Broncos head coach) always used to say that if you were so smart and knew all about the talent of a player you were chasing, why would you low ball and possibly miss out on them.
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AFL.com.au's preliminary 2018 free agency list
Richmond
Reece Conca
Ben Griffiths
Shaun Grigg
Dylan Grimes
Bachar Houli
Adelaide
Richard Douglas
David Mackay
Andy Otten
Rory Sloane
Brodie Smith
Brisbane Lions
Rohan Bewick
Ryan Lester
Carlton
Marc Murphy
Kade Simpson
Collingwood
Jarryd Blair
Alex Fasolo
Tyson Goldsack
Ben Reid
Josh Thomas
Essendon
Tom Bellchambers
Fremantle
Hayden Ballantyne
Michael Johnson
David Mundy
Aaron Sandilands
Geelong
Cameron Guthrie
George Horlin-Smith
Harry Taylor
Gold Coast
Jarrod Harbrow
Tom Lynch
Tom Nicholls
Hawthorn
Shaun Burgoyne
Taylor Duryea
Paul Puopolo
Ryan Schoenmakers
Brendan Whitecross
Melbourne
Max Gawn
Neville Jetta
Tom McDonald
North Melbourne
Shaun Atley
Andrew Swallow
Lindsay Thomas
Scott Thompson
Sam Wright
Port Adelaide
Justin Westhoff
St Kilda
Sam Gilbert
Swans
Heath Grundy
Jarrad McVeigh
Nick Smith
West Coast
Andrew Gaff
Shannon Hurn
Mark LeCras
Scott Lycett
Eric Mackenzie
Jeremy McGovern
Western Bulldogs
Luke Dahlhaus
Tom Liberatore
Dale Morris
Jordan Roughead
Mitch Wallis
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-20/golden-age-of-free-agency-looming-for-2018
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Sloane, Murphey, Mundy, Lynch, Gawn, Thompson, Gaff, Mckenzie, McGovern :shh
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Grimes the only untouchable of ours
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sign Grimesy up asap
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Grimes would never leave, loves it too much at Tigerland
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A couple of changes at other clubs.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-29/bumper-free-agency-crop-looming-in-2018
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Restricted Free Agent
BACHAR HOULI (Richmond)
One of a number of Tigers who are waiting on contract talks, with Richmond seemingly keeping their options open to keep money for Tom Lynch.
The man who starred in last year’s Grand Final is still in excellent form at only 30 so eventually should win another one-year deal.
Unrestricted Free Agents
REECE CONCA (Richmond)
Conca played three, six and six games respectively in the past three years. Finally he has overcome his injury hoodoo, playing every game and moving into the midfield as hard-tackling presence.
Like many others at Richmond his contract talks are yet to kick off, but after years of rumours about interest from WA clubs, he seems a Tiger through and through.
No reason why he won’t get another deal given he is only 26 in August.
SHAUN GRIGG (Richmond)
Into his eighth season at Richmond, the Tigers premiership ruckman (sort of) is yet to kickstart contract talks but he has only just turned 30.
Remains an underrated part of the Tigers’ makeup as a goalkicking mid who can tag or back up Toby Nankervis. Should play on.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/good-form-of-afls-older-free-agents-means-they-might-all-play-on-in-2019-writes-jon-ralph/news-story/85a674f24f145bb9aa105f382cbd55a1
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One year for Houli, pee off the other two..... :shh
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Really wonder if we can keep both Houli & Grigg
Reason being both are 30.
Sadly in this business you have to keep turning over the list
We have to make minimum of 3 changes; which should be easy but I reckon we need to make at least 5 to ensure we keep bringing in the kids
Also, we have to make calls on 2 rookies = do we upgrade or flick....
Interesting times ahead
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Conca will sign for 2-3 years :shh
Do we have to upgrade now, WP? I thought the AFL was making changes to lists in 2019 in that there will be no rookie list. Everyone on the senior list. Or maybe I am remembering wrong
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Send Grigg up to GWS to reunite with Lids :shh
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Conca will sign for 2-3 years :shh
2-3 years for a fringe player with dodgy hammys.....ok then..... :shh
Do we have to upgrade now, WP? I thought the AFL was making changes to lists in 2019 in that there will be no rookie list. Everyone on the senior list. Or maybe I am remembering wrong
That's what I heard.... :shh :shh
Send Grigg up to GWS to reunite with Lids :shh
:shh :shh :shh
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Conca will sign for 2-3 years :shh
2-3 years for a fringe player with dodgy hammys.....ok then..... :shh
Not a fringe player in Dimma's eyes. Never once been omitted for anything other than injury/suspension. :shh
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Rates him higher than BEllis then..... :shh
Still too injury prone to be giving multiple year deals to....he's not a kid anymore...will be overtaken by younger, better players soon...probably before the finals..... :shh
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Rates him higher than BEllis then..... :shh
Still too injury prone to be giving multiple year deals to....he's not a kid anymore...will be overtaken by younger, better players soon...probably before the finals..... :shh
:pray
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Rates him higher than BEllis then..... :shh
:nope
Bellis has served his punishment. He will be more diligent in his recovery from this point forward :shh
Still too injury prone to be giving multiple year deals to....he's not a kid anymore...will be overtaken by younger, better players soon...probably before the finals..... :shh
I agree. But Dimma doesn't. What Dimma wants Dimma gets, and he wants Conca to remain at Tigerland for some time to come :shh
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Really wonder if we can keep both Houli & Grigg
Reason being both are 30.
Sadly in this business you have to keep turning over the list
We have to make minimum of 3 changes; which should be easy but I reckon we need to make at least 5 to ensure we keep bringing in the kids
Also, we have to make calls on 2 rookies = do we upgrade or flick....
Interesting times ahead
Out of contract: Bolton, Conca, Drummond, C.Ellis, Garthwaite, Griffiths (retired), Grigg, Hampson, Houli, Lloyd, Markov, Menadue, Miles, Short, Soldo, Townsend.
Rookies:
Mabior Chol - third year in 2018.
Callum Moore - third year in 2018.
Tyson Stengle - second year in 2018.
Liam Baker - first year in 2018
Derek Eggmolesse-Smith - first year in 2018.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=27081.msg616429#msg616429
Something like this, WP?
Out:
Griffiths (retired)
Hampson (retire)
Miles (trade - late 3rd round pick?)
Drummond (delist/trade)
Grigg? (retire)
In:
Lynch (free agent)
1st round draft pick
2nd round draft pick
3rd round draft pick (from Miles trade)
4th round draft pick (use to draft a state league player in his early 20s whose a late developer).
'Rookies' abolished by AFL and move onto one extended senior list (?).
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Something like this, WP?
Out:
Griffiths (retired)
Hampson (retire)
Miles (trade - late 3rd round pick?)
Drummond (delist/trade)
Grigg? (retire)
In:
Lynch (free agent)
1st round draft pick
2nd round draft pick
3rd round draft pick (from Miles trade)
4th round draft pick (use to draft a state league player in his early 20s whose a late developer).
'Rookies' abolished by AFL and move onto one extended senior list (?).
Yep along those lines.
But I still think you have to make a call on the current "rookies" even if they are going to be abolish the rookie list. Eggmolesse-Smith is an interesting one in that he is one of those special listed rookies (category a or b or whatever it is). How does the possible abolishment of the rookie list impact on him?
As I said interesting times ahard
That is do / should the current crop automatically be kept? I think in the case of Baker & Stengle yes, but not sure on Choi or Moore.
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3 years is enough to determine if they'll make it. Chol is a tall and may not play firsts but if they keep him you would have to assume they think he'll make it. Anybody seen him play of late?l
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3 years is enough to determine if they'll make it. Chol is a tall and may not play firsts but if they keep him you would have to assume they think he'll make it. Anybody seen him play of late?l
Watched him in the VFL recently. He has come a long way. Playing some good footy. Having said that, he still has a bit to go to be a permanent senior player. Wouldn't mind him playing a few in the seniors as this may fast track his development and then slip him back into the VFL.
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Club said Chol was a long term prospect when they drafted him......starting to track nicely but still needs to work on positioning & general footy nouse and also clean up his ball handling....ruck/forward is his future IMO... :shh
Regardless of how he goes on the weekend, Moore stays for mine....tall quick blokes who chase, tackle, can take contested marks & play in all three lines plus help out in the ruck are always handy to have around....field kicking is serviceable, there's a few blokes in the seniors far worse...set shot kicking is iffy to say the least but still not quite the John Butcher level some are claiming.....though IMO he stands are far better chance if the club sees him as a utility moreso than just a forward.......:shh
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Something like this, WP?
Out:
Griffiths (retired)
Hampson (retire)
Miles (trade - late 3rd round pick?)
Drummond (delist/trade)
Grigg? (retire)
In:
Lynch (free agent)
1st round draft pick
2nd round draft pick
3rd round draft pick (from Miles trade)
4th round draft pick (use to draft a state league player in his early 20s whose a late developer).
'Rookies' abolished by AFL and move onto one extended senior list (?).
Yep along those lines.
But I still think you have to make a call on the current "rookies" even if they are going to be abolish the rookie list. Eggmolesse-Smith is an interesting one in that he is one of those special listed rookies (category a or b or whatever it is). How does the possible abolishment of the rookie list impact on him?
I'm not sure but I assume the way he was recruited remains in place (via the category B rule) but he will be listed just like any other player.
As I said interesting times ahard
That is do / should the current crop automatically be kept? I think in the case of Baker & Stengle yes, but not sure on Choi or Moore.
Moore getting a senior game now may be part of the process to see whether he will make it.
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Club said Chol was a long term prospect when they drafted him......starting to track nicely but still needs to work on positioning & general footy nouse and also clean up his ball handling....ruck/forward is his future IMO... :shh
Regardless of how he goes on the weekend, Moore stays for mine....tall quick blokes who chase, tackle, can take contested marks & play in all three lines plus help out in the ruck are always handy to have around....field kicking is serviceable, there's a few blokes in the seniors far worse...set shot kicking is iffy to say the least but still not quite the John Butcher level some are claiming.....though IMO he stands are far better chance if the club sees him as a utility moreso than just a forward.......:shh
Agree with that
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From the AFL website
Reece Conca (Unrestricted free agent)
Has enjoyed his best season since 2014 after finally enjoying some continuity, with a leg injury he suffered against Sydney in round 15 turning out to be far less serious than first feared. The 26-year-old West Australian has bypassed opportunities to leave Punt Road in the past, and is likely to remain loyal again. However, a new deal could be delayed as Richmond prioritises signing Gold Coast's Tom Lynch and other targets.
Shaun Grigg (Unrestricted free agent)
Another Tiger whose future is unlikely to be resolved until after the season, Grigg looks well placed to continue in 2019. At 30, the wingman is still one of Richmond's most effective linkmen with his penetrating left foot.
Bachar Houli (Restricted free agent)
The 30-year-old has opened contract talks with the Tigers and the early indications are positive he will get a new deal for 2019. Has endured an injury-plagued season but his rebound off half-back remains a vital cog in the Richmond machine.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/trade/free-agency