One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 24, 2017, 07:44:04 PM
-
Welcome to Tigerland, Callum.
There's our young ruck.
-
CALLUM COLEMAN-JONES
Player bio
Former club: Sturt
Age: 18
Height: 201cm
Weight: 99kg
Position: Ruckman
2017 U18 Stats
Games: 4
Goals: 1
Avg Kicks: 7.3
Avg Marks: 4.3
Avg Hballs: 9.8
Graduate of the NAB AFL Academy and a developing ruckman or tall forward who captained South Australia in the NAB AFL U18 Championships. He is a very good one-on-one player and has grown in confidence with his contested pack marking and ruck craft a feature of his play.
http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-tracker
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/colemanjones620.jpg)
-
VIDEOS:
2017 - SA vs Allies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOT-wOal5rw
2017 - SA vs North ressies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFJAUkDPUBE
-
Felt a bit better when they said he best contested mark in the U'18's....Fox Footy listed him as a forward..,, :huh
-
Tigers select Coleman-Jones
richmondfc.com.au
November 24, 2017 7:46 PM
Richmond has used its second selection, No. 20 overall, in the 2017 National Draft to recruit ruckman/key forward Callum Coleman-Jones.
Here is a summary of what Richmond fans can expect to see from Coleman-Jones, in future seasons . . .
Callum Coleman-Jones profile
13/6/1999
Height: 201cm
Weight: 99kg
Position: Ruckman/key forward
From: Sturt (SANFL)
Callum is a ruckman/key forward, who made the initial AFL Academy squad following a strong 2015 under-16 carnival representing South Australia.
In 2016, he excelled for SA at the under-18 national championships as a bottom-aged, key forward.
This year, he captained SA at the under-18 championships, where he again performed strongly, this time as the team’s leading ruckman. The highlight of his carnival was a 28-disposal game against the Allies at Adelaide Oval.
Callum has a great pair of hands which, combined with excellent aerial judgment, makes him an outstanding contested mark.
He possesses good speed for a player his size, an elite ability to be clean at ground level, has fine touch with his ruckwork, together with a strong football IQ.
We believe Callum will be a first-rate addition to our ruck and key-forward stocks, and see him as being a genuine multi-faceted player, with the capacity to be effective in both roles.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-11-24/2017-draft-pick-20
-
Hopefully he turns out to a great player like the other SA U/18 captain on our list
-
I think Callum can develop well as a ruckman. The only thing I don't like is his name is a hyphen job and that often doesn't bode well, but
Ive been told hes pretty committed to his career in footy. So welcome to young Callum.
-
I like his out on the full kick in his highlights package. :clapping
We’re going to have to exorcise the SA out of him. :rollin
-
two dads?
-
Hope he's good kick at goal. Recruiting ruckmen is so touch and go.
-
I wouldve preferred Allen with this pick, but we do need rucks on the list. Looks like a goer
-
two dads?
John and Percy
-
Very happy with this pick. Need to have a developing ruck who isn't a speculative pick. :clapping
-
Callum Coleman-Jones is looking forward to working with Richmond ruckman Toby Nankervis
Daniela Abbracciavento
Adelaide Advertiser
25 November 2017
CALLUM Coleman-Jones is stoked to start his AFL career at Richmond with premiership midfielder, Norm Smith Medallist and Brownlow winner Dustin Martin.
But it is the Tigers’ premiership ruckman Toby Nankervis that Coleman-Jones is most looking forward to meeting and going head-to-head with at training.
Richmond selected the Sturt 201cm, 98kg ruckman/forward with pick 20 at the AFL national draft on Friday night.
Speaking to the Advertiser after the Tigers called out his name, the SA under-18 captain could not believe his luck when the reigning premiers picked him.
“Being a tall bloke, getting to know Toby Nankervis is definitely something I want to do and learn his craft,” Coleman-Jones, 18, says.
“He’s (Nankervis) had a ripper year as well, so I definitely want to meet him.
“It’s pretty unreal.
“I couldn’t ask for a better team to be drafted to after they just won the premiership.
“I couldn’t be more stoked to go over to Melbourne and get started.”
Coleman-Jones might, however, ask Martin to teach him how to master the famous “fend-off”
“Wouldn’t hurt learning that from him (Martin),” Coleman-Jones said with a laugh.
Coleman-Jones stood out with SA during this year’s national carnival and although he was hampered by a knee injury, he averaged 17 disposals and 19 hit-outs.
It led to his selection in the All-Australian under-18 side.
The small tear in his left patella cut his season short and forced him to undergo minor surgery in August.
But Coleman-Jones, who watched the draft at home in Adelaide with family and friends, says the knee is fine and he is keen to get over to Punt Rd and add depth to the Tigers’ list.
“It’s been about 9-10 weeks post-operation and it wasn’t a major operation, so it’s feeling good,” Coleman-Jones said.
“I think my contested marking and versatility around the ground are my strengths.
“The family was pretty happy when my name got called out.
“They are fine with me moving away especially because it’s in Melbourne.
“It’s only a 50-minute flight from Adelaide, so I think they are pretty happy with it.”
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/callum-colemanjones-is-looking-forward-to-working-with-richmond-ruckman-toby-nankervis/news-story/49b29a957eb5ba0e861c6a992229b4e9
-
I think Callum can develop well as a ruckman. The only thing I don't like is his name is a hyphen job and that often doesn't bode well, but
Ive been told hes pretty committed to his career in footy. So welcome to young Callum.
Simples. CJ as the nickname.
Love that he's got the big bum that I like in my big fellas, like Richo and Balmey and even Nank.
Helps them hold space in a pack.
-
Pre-draft article on Coleman-Jones ...
Sturt big man Callum Coleman-Jones aiming to be a dual force
Andrew Capel,
The Advertiser
9 November 2017
CALLUM Coleman-Jones is trying to learn from the best.
When the standout teenage Sturt tall watches his beloved Port Adelaide play he zeros in on one man, All-Australian ruckman Paddy Ryder.
“He’s the player I’m trying to model my game on,’’ said the SA under-18 captain, who is a man mountain at 201cm and 98kg.
“I just love the way he goes about it, with his athleticism and the fact that he plays about 70 per cent of the game in the ruck and then goes forward and tries to hit the scoreboard.
“I’d like to be that type of big bloke who can impact the game in the ruck and up forward so I watch closely how he goes about it, his running patterns and where he does the most damage.’’
Coleman-Jones’ size, athleticism and contested-marking ability make him a certain pick in this month’s AFL draft.
Once considered a possible top-10 selection, he is now likely to slip to the second round after a mid-season knee injury not only impacted his form but ended his season prematurely.
Like SA under-18 and AFL Academy teammate Darcy Fogarty, Coleman-Jones battled knee soreness during the AFL under-18 championships and had minor surgery soon after.
“I had a small tear in my (left) patella and it hurt when I was jumping and changing direction,’’ the 18-year-old said.
“It slowly got worse during the season and slowed my movement down a little bit so I decided to have it and a bit of loose cartilage cleaned up.
“I’ve done a lot of rehab and the knee feels good now so there shouldn't be any problems moving forward.’’
While he was handicapped by the injury, Coleman-Jones still enjoyed a strong national carnival, making the All-Australian team and averaging 17 disposals and 19 hit-outs.
He showcased his prodigious talent against the Allies at Adelaide Oval with 28 disposals and five marks.
“Callum's 16th year was very good so he’s been on the radar of AFL clubs for some time,’’ SANFL high performance manager Brenton Phillips said.
“One of his greatest assets is that he is really mobile for a big man and while his contested marking is very good he can pick the ball up off the ground really well. He’s clean at ground level.
“When he starts in the AFL I think he’ll play more as a forward and be nursed into the ruck. But by the time he’s 24 or 25 he’s going to be a very good ruckman.’’
Phillips also hailed Coleman-Jones’ leadership ability, making him captain of his State team ahead of high-quality vice-captains and fellow draft certainties Fogarty from Glenelg and Andrew McPherson from the Eagles.
“Callum is a very well-rounded footballer who not only excels on the field but also off it,’’ he said.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/local-footy-sa/sanfl/sturt/sturt-big-man-callum-colemanjones-aiming-to-be-a-dual-force/news-story/0fc69e8cc9461baf2ed2dfeefeea1511
-
I'm guessing this kid grew up supporting Melbourne.....
....will be interesting tracking his progress against that of Hayes.... :shh
-
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-11-29/meet-the-201cm-tiger
ARTICLE: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-11-29/colemanjones-in-focus
-
One key explanation as to why we drafted Coleman-Jones and not Hayes.
--------------------------------------------
NEVER before has so much been expected of your No.1 ruckman.
Extensive statistical analysis on the ruck revolution began in 2002 and several key categories peaked or troughed this past season.
The best big men now absorb 76 per cent of the ruck duties and play 83 per cent of game time.
Those figures have steeply risen from 61 and 71 per cent, respectively, a decade ago, when Dean Cox and Brendon Lade were the knights of the centre circle.
But the numbers explain why dual under-18 All Australian ruckman Sam Hayes, with his suspect endurance, slipped from a potential top-10 pick all the way to No.47 in this year's draft.
Richmond's Callum Coleman-Jones (No.20) and Carlton's Tom De Koning (30) – who may end up more of a forward – were taken ahead of Hayes, in part because of their superior athleticism.
AFL clubs selected more than one specialist ruckman just 57 times in the 2017 season, a startling drop from the recorded high of 267 only nine years ago.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-06/ruck-and-role-how-the-position-has-evolved
-
Who do you think will be played in the seniors first, CCJ or Balta?
-
Ben Miller :shh
-
Ben Miller :shh
:yo
Looks the goods
-
Ben Miller :shh
:yo
Looks the goods
Of course he does. Good WA boy and all.
-
Ben Miller :shh
:yo
Looks the goods
Of course he does. Good WA boy and all.
Glad something good comes out of WA, my experience on here has been frightening and I have wondered if there is something in the water over there(Mat aside)
-
Ben Miller :shh
:yo
Looks the goods
Of course he does. Good WA boy and all.
Glad something good comes out of WA, my experience on here has been frightening and I have wondered if there is something in the water over there(Mat aside)
:)
Given I work for the Water Corporation, the State Govt. owned water utility, I can tell you it isn't that.
-
:thumbsup
-
Leppa talking about CJ:
Forward craft
“He’s probably the most improved player on our list from where he’s come from. I remember his first training session as a forward – I don’t think he even touched the ball. Now his body positioning, ability to hold out opposition and mark the ball, is excellent. And his finishing . . . he was kicking most of his set shots out on the full, but now he’s got a really good routine and he’s very diligent. So he’s had a great growth of improvement in just a short space of time."
Modified program
“He’s been on a bit of a modified program this year, which we think has really helped him. We’ve given him a game off every three weeks, just to make sure he stays on top of things. And then he can get an extra bit of weights in and conditioning and stuff like that.”
His endurance and speed
“Endurance, really good. Speed, moderate for a big guy. Where he ends up, whether it be ruck or key forward, or a combination of both, you tend to find out in their third/fourth years. But we’re really excited by his progress.”
Ruck craft
“As I said, he hits the bag really hard, and takes the ball, generally, at its highest point. It’s hard for him at times coming up against guys in the VFL like Braydon Preuss (North Melbourne) . . . seasoned campaigners that are massive and bigger versions than what he is now. So we’ve tried not to over-expose him in the ruck. But when he has gone in there, he’s done some good work.”
Potential role at senior level
“I’ve got a feeling he could, potentially, be an A-grade-type ruckman and maybe a B-grade forward. And that’s a pretty good effort to be that . . . His around-the-ground work is such a strength of his.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-08-01/coaches-corner-callum-colemanjones
-
Ben Miller :shh
:yo
Looks the goods
Of course he does. Good WA boy and all.
Glad something good comes out of WA, my experience on here has been frightening and I have wondered if there is something in the water over there(Mat aside)
Lol ...c'mon WAT was great value and Claw was the ultimate super villain.
-
PM me :shh
-
The great one still thinks we should've taken Burton over Rioli... :shh
-
The great one still thinks we should've taken Burton over Rioli... :shh
Another 'gem' from 'The Great One'
-
They are pretty excited about two dads, wonder when he will get a run
-
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2018-11-14/tigers-department-of-youth-colemanjones
-
They are pretty excited about two dads, wonder when he will get a run
If we draft Collier-Dawkins we'll have Two-Dads & Two-Mums.... :shh
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-21/i-can-see-how-its-not-typical-draft-prospects-family-tale
-
They are pretty excited about two dads, wonder when he will get a run
If we draft Collier-Dawkins we'll have Two-Dads & Two-Mums.... :shh
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-21/i-can-see-how-its-not-typical-draft-prospects-family-tale
be-ellis?
-
They are pretty excited about two dads, wonder when he will get a run
If we draft Collier-Dawkins we'll have Two-Dads & Two-Mums.... :shh
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-21/i-can-see-how-its-not-typical-draft-prospects-family-tale
be-ellis?
He said two dads, not two duds
-
Funny thing is that Bellis is not a dud. He is just too scared to take the game on and he takes short steps...
-
:shh
Get him back on the wing. I am his biggest backer but even I know he's not always super productive off half back. Inconsistent there these days. Get him back on the wing where he runs all day, breaks the lines and delivers inside 50.
-
:shh
Get him back on the wing. I am his biggest backer but even I know he's not always super productive off half back. Inconsistent there these days. Get him back on the wing where he runs all day, breaks the lines and delivers inside 50.
Agree. Bellis on one wing and McIntosh on the other. And with Houli, Short, Oleg, Naish and Menadue to run off half back, WTF do we need Bellis back there anyway?
-
:shh
Get him back on the wing. I am his biggest backer but even I know he's not always super productive off half back. Inconsistent there these days. Get him back on the wing where he runs all day, breaks the lines and delivers inside 50.
Agree. No idea why they moved him down there in the first place other than maybe thinking it would reinvigorate him after stagnating in the couple seasons prior.
-
Didn't the club say at that pre-draft function they're looking to give BEllis a run with role next year? :shh
Hopefully he can stop the Willy mids from tearing us up yet again.... :shh :shh
-
:lol
:shh
-
“I’ve loved this pre-season I feel like I have a much more comfortable understanding of the game plan, I’m loving training and I’m feeling fresh out there,” Coleman-Jones said.
“Last year, I started first-year pre-season in rehab for the first month-and-a-half, and I was just learning the ropes of it all…it took me a little while to grasp things and learn the game plan.
“I know what to expect a little more, having my first year done.”
Guided by seasoned ruckmen Ivan Maric and Toby Nankervis, Coleman-Jones has been putting his height and talent to good use as he refines his ruck craft.
“It’s coming along well…it’s a growing part of my game that I want to continue to get better at and obviously there are new rules as well which change things… I’m looking forward to it,” he said.
“My off-season program was to continue to strengthen my base and getting core base strength, and a lot of footwork, which assimilates into the ruck craft as well.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-01-24/colemanjones-poised-to-make-his-mark
-
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2019-05-23/colemanjones-set-to-debut
All the best on Saturday night to CCJ in his debut :clapping.
-
From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ... the Tigers were bold enough to use overall pick 20 (their second pick, after they snared Jack Higgins at 17) on a 200cm kid from Adelaide in the 2017 NAB AFL Draft ...
THEN ... Callum Coleman-Jones can obviously play. He's coming up against one of the game's best rucks in big Bellcho in his debut. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-24/sliding-doors-round-10
-
'We call him The Zombie': Tigers to unleash new weapon
AFL.com.au
Sarah Black
May 24, 2019 1:19PM
CALLUM Coleman-Jones may be affectionately known as "Zombie" around the club, but Richmond defender Dylan Grimes is backing his teammate to handle his debut well during Dreamtime at the 'G.
The fixture between Richmond and Essendon, now in its 15th year, has attracted an average crowd of 71,431, making Saturday night a fairly daunting prospect for the 19-year-old ruckman.
Coleman-Jones has been rushed into the side following an adductor injury to Toby Nankervis and Ivan Soldo's one-week suspension for striking.
He will be supported by fellow 19-year-old Noah Balta, coming up against Essendon veteran Tom Bellchambers and forward-ruck Shaun McKernan.
"'CJ', we call him 'The Zombie' because he seems so much older than he actually is. He's got a great head on his shoulders, he's worked incredibly hard this year," Grimes said.
"Given the depth we had at the start of the year, he knew he had to work really hard in order to get a game and be patient for his opportunity and he's certainly done that.
"He took one of the better marks I've seen at VFL level a few weeks back, so he's an excitement machine and we're looking forward to seeing what he can bring.
"He's been playing against AFL ruckman at VFL level, so he's been playing and training at that intensity and competitiveness for a long time already."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-24/we-call-him-the-zombie-tigers-to-unleash-new-weapon-coleman-jones
-
I thought it was a good first game considering the conditions.
I’ll go out on a limb and say this kids will be a long term AFL footballer.
I just like the way he moved last night and some of the little things he did.
It wouldn’t worry me the slightest if they played him in front of Soldo. But I know they won’t.
-
Needs to add about 10kgs to his frame
-
I thought it was a good first game considering the conditions.
I’ll go out on a limb and say this kids will be a long term AFL footballer.
I just like the way he moved last night and some of the little things he did.
It wouldn’t worry me the slightest if they played him in front of Soldo. But I know they won’t.
I thought considering who he was up against he did really well
Yes he got towelled up in the tap work stakes but not once did he drop his head or stop competing.
Around the ground he was super competitive
I'm the opposite though I'd bring Soldo straight back in.
Just don't think CCJ is ready for AFL just yet, especially back to back to back games.
I'd prefer to see him go back develop his craft further and bring him back in for the odd game later in the season
-
CCJ has the talent and in time if he continues to develop he will become our 1st ruck once Nank retires. He has also shown at VFL level, he can rest up forward and kick a goal or two. However, he is too slight yet for regular AFL. He needs to build up his size and strength as solid mature ruckmen can too easily push him aside in ruck contests. Last week, the Box Hill ruckman Pittonet was too big and strong for CCJ as well with Soldo promoted to the seniors.
-
CCJ has the talent and in time if he continues to develop he will become our 1st ruck once Nank retires. He has also shown at VFL level, he can rest up forward and kick a goal or two. However, he is too slight yet for regular AFL. He needs to build up his size and strength as solid mature ruckmen can too easily push him aside in ruck contests. Last week, the Box Hill ruckman Pittonet was too big and strong for CCJ as well with Soldo promoted to the seniors.
Nanks only 24. Hope CCJ isn’t content to wait till nanks retired to be no.1 ruck.....
-
Dimma's view:
“Coleman-Jones is a terrific, young lad,” Hardwick said.
“We spoke to him at the end of the game. We were really pleased with him and Noah (Balta), both second-year players, going up against a pretty experienced type of campaigner (Tom Bellchambers).
“I thought they both contributed really well.
“He’s (Coleman-Jones) going to be a really good player for us.”
Read more at: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-05-27/colemanjones-promising-debut
-
10 disposals (7 kicks, 3 hballs), 1 mark, 2 tackles, 13 hitouts, 2 FF & 1 goal today.
Does CCJ play round 1?
-
Yes
-
Yah
-
Yes for me against the blues.
-
Liked the look of: Who impressed for your club in Marsh week three?
Adam Curley
afl.com.au
10 March 2020
Callum Coleman-Jones
The athletic ruckman showed some good signs up against the more experienced Sam Jacobs, collecting 10 possessions, 14 hitouts and four inside 50s, and worked well with Ivan Soldo. Coleman-Jones kicked a skillful goal in the opening term to show off his mobility and had no issue getting his hands on the footy at centre bounces. He might give the coach something to think about with Toby Nankervis an emergency for the clash and playing VFL this weekend.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/381780/liked-the-look-of-who-impressed-for-your-club-in-marsh-week-three
-
From the AFL website article
WANTED: Big bloke, excellent leap, wins hit-outs, gets a kick
Callum Coleman-Jones (Richmond)
Now into his third year, the South Australian has managed just one AFL game (last year) and is stuck behind Ivan Soldo and Toby Nankervis. While the Tigers have been thrilled with his development and signed him to 2021, how much longer can he wait around for a genuine chance to prosper? For now, the Tigers have committed to one ruckman with forward Mabior Chol pinch-hitting. Coleman-Jones' athleticism excites other clubs and it was a big factor in the Tigers taking him at pick 20 in the 2017 NAB AFL Draft.
Full article
https://www.afl.com.au/news/477090/wanted-big-bloke-excellent-leap-wins-hit-outs-gets-a-kick
-
Lose a decade of this bloke tearing it up for a couple more years of Nankervis playing half a season, Slomo and an increasingly cooked Riewoldt ... :shh
-
His contracted tho to 2021 correct.
-
Richmond need to find a spot for him to keep his interest and give him a feel for the pace of the game
The odds are, there will be injuries
-
Thought Soldo was OK tonight. Not great but OK.
-
I'm sure he will get a go. Maybe at the expense of Chol, or maybe they rest lynch or jack to bring him in. Can't see them dropping Soldo unfortunately. Hopefully I'm wrong !!
-
Chol is developing every game. Cant drop him at the moment.
-
They might , not much time to recuperate if you have a niggle
-
Chol is developing every game. Cant drop him at the moment.
Chol was horrible last week...
And ok last night.
I personally think CCJ will be a better all round AFL footballer, so I would be playing him instead of Chol.
Just my opinion.
-
Just read on the rfc website he’s got a minor stress reaction in his foot. No moon boot required but won’t be training for the next couple of weeks.
-
Shame. Think his best chance was with Nank out
-
I wonder if the boobs were worth it? :rollin
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
-
People we're saying wasn't best 22 be handy now let the club down.
-
he aint going anywhere this year or next.
what better way to repay the club than be our number 1 ruck with nank.
-
he aint going anywhere this year or next.
what better way to repay the club than be our number 1 ruck with nank.
Yep
-
Unfortunately his stupid decision may cost him more than he first thought now Soldo is out.
Things can change pretty quickly in the AFL and come the end of October, he may regret that decision more than anything else he has ever done.
A fit CCJ definitely plays next week if it wasn’t for what happened IMO.
-
Think he was still injured anyway... :shh
-
Think he was still injured anyway... :shh
From memory I think he was really close to playing again.
Stupid, stupid boy.
-
Think he was still injured anyway... :shh
From memory I think he was really close to playing again.
Stupid, stupid boy.
He was right to play. Played the scrimmage match before his act of stupidity.
You are correct big tone in your previous post, he would playing next round and finals
-
CCJ been working very hard both in training and personal development I have been reliably advised- well done young man!!
Judging by Stack's latest Instagram post, he is also working at it in the gym in preparation for a big 2021...great stuff!
-
CCJ been working very hard both in training and personal development I have been reliably advised- well done young man!!
Judging by Stack's latest Instagram post, he is also working at it in the gym in preparation for a big 2021...great stuff!
Good news indeed. I can't wait to get back to the MCG to cheer the boys on.
-
Agreed.
Would also be nice to unfurl a couple of premiership flags
-
Judging by Stack's latest Instagram post, he is also working at it in the gym in preparation for a big 2021...great stuff!
https://www.instagram.com/stories/stackman_44/2444157937095858423/
-
I'm glad we stuck with these 2.
-
Is young Tiger ready to atone for COVID controversy?
He was in the bad books after the Gold Coast strip club saga, but is this young Tiger about to redeem himself as one of the AFL’s 2021 breakout stars?
Callum Coleman-Jones will miss the first month of next season, serving the rest of a 10-match ban for breaking the AFL’s COVID-19 protocols.
That’s a hindrance to his breakout hopes, but ruck-forward Coleman-Jones – a top-20 pick in 2017 – is otherwise coming along nicely.
There’s a logjam at his positions at Tigerland, but it will take only an injury or two for him to show what he’s got.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-every-clubs-2021-breakout-contender/news-story/07e2e5a43c5d79de7576b12df05658b7
-
Callum Coleman-Jones, who switched between the ruck and centre-half forward, has plenty of fans at Punt Road and will be given opportunities this season after his suspension from last year's COVID-19 breach ends early in the season. His run, jump and goal late was a flash of his ability.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/556494/tigers-hang-on-in-a-thriller-pies-sweat-on-injuries)
Disposals 12 ... ( 5k, 7h, 7c, 5u, 75% eff. )
Marks 4 .... ( 1 contested)
Tackles 2
Tackles in50 1
Clearances 1
Hitouts 1
Intercepts 1
Score inv. 4
Metres gained 102
Goals 1
ToG% 89
-
Richmond VFL coach Xavier Clarke said that Coleman-Jones had been impressing at the lower level and was knocking on the door of an AFL recall.
“He’s been really good, CJ,” Clarke said.
“He’s obviously been starved of a lot of footy. He’s been fantastic. He’s been playing predominantly forward in the VFL, [and] been giving Mabior Chol a chop-out in the ruck every now and then, but we’ve been really impressed with the way CJ has come along. He’s another one, how do we fit him into the side as well, so that’ll be the challenge. I’ll let Dimma [Richmond senior coach Damien Hardwick] sort that out at some point.”
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/stack-s-on-tiger-poised-to-play-in-vfl-this-week-20210412-p57ika.html)
-
Why forgotten Tiger is in rival clubs’ sights
A tall Tiger who has played just one career game is set to become hot property, with rival recruiters taking a keen interest. Find out why.
A fringe Tiger impressed in front of a bunch of rival recruiters for Richmond VFL’s, and clubs will be attempting to prise him come season’s end.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/vfl-preview-the-afl-players-to-watch-in-round-1/news-story/1091b4614f53277e5e10d232c21fc3e9
-
Dont know contract situations but i reckon clubs will be into all of Ross RCD and CCJ if we dont give em a decent run at it.
Can we afford to lose these types? JR is 32 going on 33, TL is 28 going on 29 they are the only two genuine kpf we have and CCJ is the closest thing we have to a key fwd left on the list.
Caddy is a bust as a ball winning mid and taking a kids spot playing on the wing.
Cotchin is 31, Edwards 32 Martin 29 turns 30 in June, even Lambert turns 30 later this year. The last of our better mids Prestia is 28 turns 29 in oct but with his injury history you would have questions about his longevity.
The problem here is Caddy aside those mentioned are still our best mids and will and should be given games. To my thinking the way to get games into the likes of Ross and co is to drop a few of the role players, players we would win with or without. We all know who they are.
If we are to play two ruckmen imo i think this is the correct way to go, then it should be CC-J especially with Soldo out of the way. Fmd it solves the problem of taking our KPD's out of the backline to pinch hit and it might save Pickett from a serious injury. The key is to play CC-J as a second ruck who actually spends time forward. Before people say that makes us too top heavy, well we played both Nankervis and Soldo and both i would describe as ordinary forward and dinosaurs and we did pretty well with both in the team.
I even think the key talls in defense are a worry. Balta is young and looks set for a long career but Astbury is now 30 and has only ever been a foot soldier. We don't actually have anyone on the list atm who is READY to step in and play GENUINE KPD if Balta or Astbury get hurt.
Miller and Nyuon look prospects but dont have a game to their names and Garthwaite imo is not genuine KP size.
Just an opinion but fmd we are now real close to the point where the bullet has to be bit and we get games into genuine young mids and what decent young kpp's we have.
-
Been saying this the last few weeks re: CCJ.
It means not stuffing up our back 6, and also it allows Nank to drop back into the hole which he actually does surprisingly well. I don't think TL + JR + CCJ makes us too tall. Jack is only 193 and very good at ground level anyway. Dusty, Castagna and probably Rioli the other 3 forwards.
-
Dimma was asked about CCJ in his presser today:
"We think he is an incredible player. He's just one of those guys with the structure of our side he just doesn't quite .... I shouldn't say 'fit in' ... we've just gone down a different avenue at this stage. I sat down with him this week and told him how well he is going. He's had a really good year at VFL level. We'd love to give him a game. It's just he isn't quite in the mix with the way we're playing at the moment. That's not to say that won't change going forward but he's doing all he can at his end. It's up to me to pull the trigger and get him in the side. It's a tough balance but he knows how important he is to us. But also understand he is craving an opportunity. So that will come down to it. As much as we say that, we'd love to get him into the side. And it's my job to figure out how to get that to happen".
Source: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/935361/hardwick-previews-gws
-
Tigers fighting to keep hold of ‘incredible’ talent
As Richmond’s midfield depth is tested by a spare of injuries, a young tall remains starved of opportunity — and rivals are circling.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/moneyball-latest-afl-trade-draft-and-contract-news/news-story/ab61b235c7c70f675d6916abc5172d5d
-
Dimma was asked about CCJ in his presser today:
"We think he is an incredible player. He's just one of those guys with the structure of our side he just doesn't quite .... I shouldn't say 'fit in' ... we've just gone down a different avenue at this stage. I sat down with him this week and told him how well he is going. He's had a really good year at VFL level. We'd love to give him a game. It's just he isn't quite in the mix with the way we're playing at the moment. That's not to say that won't change going forward but he's doing all he can at his end. It's up to me to pull the trigger and get him in the side. It's a tough balance but he knows how important he is to us. But also understand he is craving an opportunity. So that will come down to it. As much as we say that, we'd love to get him into the side. And it's my job to figure out how to get that to happen".
Source: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/935361/hardwick-previews-gws
That's crap last week he should have played cats took the mikkey of us in ruck with Pickett that was a bad decision.We have played that system before with success Soldo and Nank and thi year talls having a major impact in games.
-
he has got some serious potential this guy and with his contract about to end why would he stay?
what would we have to lose by playing a second ruck? Stupid decision IMO
-
Dimma was asked about CCJ in his presser today:
"We think he is an incredible player. He's just one of those guys with the structure of our side he just doesn't quite .... I shouldn't say 'fit in' ... we've just gone down a different avenue at this stage. I sat down with him this week and told him how well he is going. He's had a really good year at VFL level. We'd love to give him a game. It's just he isn't quite in the mix with the way we're playing at the moment. That's not to say that won't change going forward but he's doing all he can at his end. It's up to me to pull the trigger and get him in the side. It's a tough balance but he knows how important he is to us. But also understand he is craving an opportunity. So that will come down to it. As much as we say that, we'd love to get him into the side. And it's my job to figure out how to get that to happen".
Source: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/935361/hardwick-previews-gws
Don't like how this sounds. We cant afford to put time into these bigger guys that take time to hit their strap only to have them walk out because of lack of opportunity. And it doesn't sound like Dimma has him in his plans in the near future. I can think of a few guys that should come out of the team to give him a go but the structure change is something Dimma doesnt want to do atm. Would one small forward out and him in be too much of a speed/structure change given he would probably mostly be on when Jack, Tom or Nank are having a rest?
-
If he doesn't get games this year he is as good as gone and who could blame him?
Soldo goes down and a spot opens up for a dual ruck setup and he is overlooked.
Still don't know how good he really is though. Lots of hype...
-
Oh look.... :shh
-
Gone imo and sad part is he never got a fair crack at it.
-
Oh look.... :shh
....... :shh :shh
-
Dimma would rather kill Pickett and grind Nank into the ground than give CCJ a go. Sad really
-
Who cares really? Name the last player on our list that received limited game time on our list that went on to achieve bigger things at another club???
C.Ellis, Menadue, Moore, Mcbean, the list goes on.
I trust the clubs judgment, at this point if we can get a second round draft pick for him that’s a massive win!
-
As I said - hope the CCJ to GWS for Green rumour is true... :shh
Morgan Freeman narration: It wasn't true....in the end he went to Gold Coast with their fourth round pick for a third round pick and Will Brodie...
-
Dimma was asked about CCJ in his presser today:
"We think he is an incredible player. He's just one of those guys with the structure of our side he just doesn't quite .... I shouldn't say 'fit in' ... we've just gone down a different avenue at this stage. I sat down with him this week and told him how well he is going. He's had a really good year at VFL level. We'd love to give him a game. It's just he isn't quite in the mix with the way we're playing at the moment. That's not to say that won't change going forward but he's doing all he can at his end. It's up to me to pull the trigger and get him in the side. It's a tough balance but he knows how important he is to us. But also understand he is craving an opportunity. So that will come down to it. As much as we say that, we'd love to get him into the side. And it's my job to figure out how to get that to happen".
Source: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/935361/hardwick-previews-gws
Don't like how this sounds. We cant afford to put time into these bigger guys that take time to hit their strap only to have them walk out because of lack of opportunity. And it doesn't sound like Dimma has him in his plans in the near future. I can think of a few guys that should come out of the team to give him a go but the structure change is something Dimma doesnt want to do atm. Would one small forward out and him in be too much of a speed/structure change given he would probably mostly be on when Jack, Tom or Nank are having a rest?
Geez are you sick or something how dare you criticise the chief honcho.
We can afford to play one of the biggest dinosaurs going around in Soldo with Nankervis but we can not afford to play CC-J. i HAVE NEVER HEARD SO MUCH TRIPE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.
TL and JR are struggling against numbers and Hysterically they play Pickett in the ruck so Nankervis can get a break but we cant alleviate both those problems by bringing in CC-J. Fmd they are drinking their own bath water down their atm.
Your right why not pee one of the small fwds off the same small fwds who constantly offer nothing weeks on end.
-
Dimma was asked about CCJ in his presser today:
"We think he is an incredible player. He's just one of those guys with the structure of our side he just doesn't quite .... I shouldn't say 'fit in' ... we've just gone down a different avenue at this stage. I sat down with him this week and told him how well he is going. He's had a really good year at VFL level. We'd love to give him a game. It's just he isn't quite in the mix with the way we're playing at the moment. That's not to say that won't change going forward but he's doing all he can at his end. It's up to me to pull the trigger and get him in the side. It's a tough balance but he knows how important he is to us. But also understand he is craving an opportunity. So that will come down to it. As much as we say that, we'd love to get him into the side. And it's my job to figure out how to get that to happen".
Source: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/935361/hardwick-previews-gws
Don't like how this sounds. We cant afford to put time into these bigger guys that take time to hit their strap only to have them walk out because of lack of opportunity. And it doesn't sound like Dimma has him in his plans in the near future. I can think of a few guys that should come out of the team to give him a go but the structure change is something Dimma doesnt want to do atm. Would one small forward out and him in be too much of a speed/structure change given he would probably mostly be on when Jack, Tom or Nank are having a rest?
Geez are you sick or something how dare you criticise the chief honcho.
We can afford to play one of the biggest dinosaurs going around in Soldo with Nankervis but we can not afford to play CC-J. i HAVE NEVER HEARD SO MUCH TRIPE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.
TL and JR are struggling against numbers and Hysterically they play Pickett in the ruck so Nankervis can get a break but we cant alleviate both those problems by bringing in CC-J. Fmd they are drinking their own bath water down their atm.
Your right why not pee one of the small fwds off the same small fwds who constantly offer nothing weeks on end.
Yet again you have it wrong. I don't get to games often or even get to see the VFL team as I work most weekends and have to travel. Therefore I don't criticise selections as I have to trust that those at the club know better than me (and most other posters). In this case Dimma made a comment and I will voice my opinion on that. Sure he knows what he expects from his players but I am worried about the player leaving because lack of opportunities and commented on that. I agree with you about our small towards not producing but I would never use terms like "drinking thier on bath water" when I really don't know what selection criteria they are using.
-
Dimma was asked about CCJ in his post-match presser.
Q. Does it open the door for Callum Coleman-Jones in that second ruck role?
Hardwick:
It does. It depends on how we want to structure up. I always have these arguments with people and they keep sending me emails. There's a guy, whose name I can't remember, who sends me an email every week about Callum. But sometimes the structure doesn't work if that makes sense. He's going really well. I think he kicked 5 today and Mabs was very good as well. It's just trying to fit those guys in in the right way. Do they complement the side or do have we similar players who play a similar role. It's real delicate balancing act if that makes sense. If you bring in a tall you lose a runner. The game is a turnover game. Tonight, we had to manage clearance and we thought we could exploit them on turnover. We kicked 12 goals off turnover. That's not to say we're not going to look at that moving forward as he is playing a really good brand of footy as is Mabs.
-
Doesn’t sound like CJ would be getting a game based off that response.
Thing is, if soldo was fit would we be playing both him and nank? I think we would which is why I don’t understand the structure comment.
-
RICHMOND YOUNGSTER ON SUNS' RADAR
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
20 May 2021
THE TIGERS face a task of holding off rivals interested in young big man Callum Coleman-Jones, with Gold Coast among the clubs tracking the 21-year-old.
Coleman-Jones, who is on the cusp of a senior recall after a five-goal haul in the VFL last week, has played only one AFL game since he was drafted by the club in 2017.
He has knocked back overtures from Greater Western Sydney in the past, and has clubs searching for readymade ruckmen closely following his form this season, including the Suns.
Gold Coast's ruck depth has been hit this season with injuries, with the club looking at bolstering that department at the mid-season draft next month if the right option is available.
Despite reports, the Suns have not put forward an offer to Essendon ruckman Nick Bryan, who recently debuted and is out of contract this season.
Coleman-Jones has been playing key position at VFL level but is viewed as a ruckman-in-waiting at Punt Road, with coach Damien Hardwick last week admitting the exciting talent had deserved more senior opportunities but the Tigers hadn't wanted to adjust their talls structure.
The South Australian's one senior game came in 2019, however he played in the pre-season competition this year while serving his 10-game suspension for breaking COVID-19 protocols last year while in Queensland.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/616691/fringe-tiger-in-demand-in-form-bomber-yet-to-open-talks
-
As I said - hope the CCJ to GWS for Green rumour is true... :shh
Morgan Freeman narration: It wasn't true....in the end he went to Gold Coast with their fourth round pick for a third round pick and Will Brodie...
:shh :shh
-
Stop being a stubborn prick Dimma ffs.... >:(
-
When are club going to stop ignoring this kid? I know they've had back to back big wins but his form is commanding!
I want to see if he delivers on the big stage.
-
When are club going to stop ignoring this kid? I know they've had back to back big wins but his form is commanding!
I want to see if he delivers on the big stage.
CCJ or Chol must play throughout the remainder of the year.
-
When are club going to stop ignoring this kid? I know they've had back to back big wins but his form is commanding!
I want to see if he delivers on the big stage.
CCJ or Chol must play throughout the remainder of the year.
Nank might break down. If we don't play him we will lose him for sure.
-
When are club going to stop ignoring this kid? I know they've had back to back big wins but his form is commanding!
I want to see if he delivers on the big stage.
CCJ or Chol must play throughout the remainder of the year.
I have to say even though i have not seen him play What Sampson is giving sounds pretty appetising.
Chol i have given up on just doesnt have the ticker from what ive seen no more Vickery's please.
-
PROMISING TIGER TALL “BANGING THE DOOR DOWN” FOR AFL SELECTION
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
26 May 2021
Callum Coleman-Jones is pushing for senior selection at Richmond, according to VFL playing coach Steve Morris.
The 21-year-old ruck/forward was again in great form at state league level last weekend as the Tigers crushed Brisbane by 62 points at the Gabba.
Coleman-Jones finished with four goals (four behinds), 21 disposals, 15 hit-outs, 11 marks and five tackles in another performance worthy of a call-up.
“‘CJ’ is playing at a level above at the moment,” Morris said.
“He continues to focus on what he can control and is banging the door down for senior selection.
“His hands were again sensational on the weekend and if it weren’t for some missed opportunities in front of the big sticks, he would have finished with an even bigger bag.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/26/promising-tiger-tall-banging-the-door-down-for-afl-selection/
-
He will be playing now with lynch out. Let’s see what he can do!
-
If CCJ doesn't get a game now he never will.
-
CCJ finally gets his chance. Named in the starting 18 so he'll be playing.
-
Great news, good timing, an Adelaide boy playing Adelaide
-
Great news, good timing, an Adelaide boy playing Adelaide
Hope he plays well and stays long term.
-
Needs a block games to.
-
Needs a block games to.
Well this is his chance with Lynch to miss 5 matches.
We'll see if he's worthy of the hype!
-
He’s got a good lead , with good delivery might go ok
-
Big difference though between afl and vfl so it still won’t be as easy for him.
It’s not a bad game for him to come in considering Adelaide hasn’t got the best defenders going around.
Let’s hope he nails it and shows everyone he’s ready and does enough to demand selection every week
-
Can wait to see him, it’s been a long wait, best of luck to him
-
Dimma's comments today about CCJ:
"We're really excited to give him his opportunity," Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said.
"It's been a long time between drinks, but he's been one of the form players of the competition at the lower level."
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7274796/tiger-call-up-young-tall-for-afl-chance/?cs=14238
-
CCJ doing goalkicking practice pre-game. So he must be playing forward.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1398841958722723842
-
Too slow. Getting outmuscled easily.
I think the hype has gone to his head.
Rubbish so far.
-
dumbass ccj fan boys...exactly like last year's Ross fanboys...he is absolute crap...you all been hanging out for CCJ to play...well here he is! Enjoy the poo show
-
Apparently he’s excellent at ordering kebabs. :rollin
-
:lol :lol :lol
-
A little premature all those people saying this bloke is no good. :shh
He’s definitely lifted after his first goal. :rollin
-
dumbass ccj fan boys...exactly like last year's Ross fanboys...he is absolute crap...you all been hanging out for CCJ to play...well here he is! Enjoy the poo show
This aged well
-
Exposed in the ruck against Tex at D50 stoppages but as a forward/follower CCJ has done his job so far and is warming into the game as his confidence grew after he kicked his first goal.
-
Yep, he needs to protect the ball a bit better and use his frame but he's played 6 quarters of AFL footy.
Lets pump him up not tear him down.
-
Been brilliant CCJ
-
Lynch who. :rollin
-
Geez some premature takes here if you’ve ever seen them
-
dumbass ccj fan boys...exactly like last year's Ross fanboys...he is absolute crap...you all been hanging out for CCJ to play...well here he is! Enjoy the poo show
Apparently he’s excellent at ordering kebabs. :rollin
Boys boys boys....
-
dumbass ccj fan boys...exactly like last year's Ross fanboys...he is absolute crap...you all been hanging out for CCJ to play...well here he is! Enjoy the poo show
Lol
-
ROFL! The thing is, he will have ups and downs as he gets better. But he obviously has the potential
-
Lol, it’s good to be be proven wrong sometimes, we have all done it
-
dumbass ccj fan boys...exactly like last year's Ross fanboys...he is absolute crap...you all been hanging out for CCJ to play...well here he is! Enjoy the poo show
Apparently he’s excellent at ordering kebabs. :rollin
Boys boys boys....
:shh :rollin :gotigers
-
dumbass ccj fan boys...exactly like last year's Ross fanboys...he is absolute crap...you all been hanging out for CCJ to play...well here he is! Enjoy the poo show
Apparently he’s excellent at ordering kebabs. :rollin
Boys boys boys....
:shh :rollin :gotigers
Atleast tigeritis fronted up after he got it wrong. Where’s the other fella at?
-
Wow! Just WOW!
-
dumbass ccj fan boys...exactly like last year's Ross fanboys...he is absolute crap...you all been hanging out for CCJ to play...well here he is! Enjoy the poo show
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
-
I enjoyed it
-
Lynch who? :shh
I never doubted the kid :rollin
-
Great game for a tall forward :clapping
-
Lynch who? :shh
I never doubted the kid :rollin
Keep him & trade Lynch back to GC instead... :shh :shh
-
Good to see the second gamer was given a bit of leeway until he got the hang of it
-
Dumbarse CCJ fanboys ftw.... :shh
-
If anything this showed that Lynch has been playing lame for a while. Good on ya CCJ
-
Impressive
-
If anything this showed that Lynch has been playing lame for a while. Good on ya CCJ
Or he’s just not that good.
-
Must keep. Great performance today.
-
If anything this showed that Lynch has been playing lame for a while. Good on ya CCJ
Or he’s just not that good.
whoa whoa whoa Slick Willy is a Lynch hater... :shh
-
There will be a future where both lynch and ccj will be our focal point and tall timber in the forward line. I back lynch to bounce back because he pretty much carried us through the first half of 2019 and you can’t perform like that on pure luck and talent alone.
-
stupid rant...dont know what i was thinking.... :wallywink
-
stupid rant...dont know what i was thinking.... :wallywink
:clapping :cheers
-
Question is...what do you do when Lynch is fit? Keep him forward-ruck and drop Chol? Eek.
stupid rant...dont know what i was thinking.... :wallywink
We all have moments. At least we all got a laugh!
-
Dimma post-match talking about CCJ:
* CCJ was terrific. It's good reward for a guy who's had his ups and downs. We stick with our people, we back them in. He's put in a power of work both on and off the field. It was great reward for 'CJ' personally, but also great reward for our organisation, backing our people. We always knew he could play the game, it was just getting him into the side. Unfortunately, Tom (Lynch, PCL) going out injured has provided an opportunity for CJ to show his wares. Look I thought he was terrific tonight. He'll build on that. There's things in his game that we thought were terrific but there's also areas we believe he can get better moving forward.
* I presume we've put an offer to CCJ. I'm not too sure. You'll have to speak to Tim (Livingstone) or Blair (Hartley) during the week.
* That shot by CCJ before half-time was good. One we weren't expecting. He did kick it very well. We got a couple of goals from that pocket which was a positive for us. The players do a fair bit of effort on that part of the game. It was good reward for the good work they do.
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/948851/round-11-hardwick-post-match)
-
Impressive
Agree. Good mark on the lead.
-
Alarming number of clubs circling breakout Tiger
Rival clubs are circling promising tall Callum Coleman-Jones and a goalkicking legend has offered a solution to how the Tigers will hold onto him.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq/moneyball-all-the-latest-trade-and-contract-news/news-story/312a8159502b9f02e37bc4e29b3cb7e0
-
as good as jack was yesterday, we are kidding ourselves letting both of these blokes go whilst keeping the likes of george who is very replaceable.
goodbye george and bachar. CCJ stays on a 3 year deal on nice coin
chol for a second rounder
-
This wont go down well. Yep cannot ask for more in just game two. 4 goals and he worked hard with out the ball.
Just think there are things he needs to work on and who's to say he wont.
People will say what drugs are you on but im not 100% sold he will become a top flight key forward. Yep the bloke has just kicked 4 goals in his second game but i think he looks more suited to a ruck role.
Yep maybe i do need some drugs and just enjoy the game he played a bit more.
-
Yeah we have to temper our expectations and not put pressure on this guy to be the next Riewoldt. But god it’s good to hope though!
-
Jon Ralph on Fox Footy:
Gold Coast interested. Richmond will fight tooth and nail to keep Coleman-Jones. He is worth something substantial. Scuttlebutt is GWS offered a first round pick for CCJ last year. So what is he going to be worth if he keeps kicking goals like this?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/afl/afl-tonight/rival-clubs-circling-tigers-young-guns!803346
-
Jon Ralph said he’d spoken to Hawthorn goalkicking legend Jason Dunstall about Richmond’s predicament.
“He’s pretty brutally honest he said, ‘Look, Richmond could continue to play three tall forwards for a while and potentially could lose Callum Coleman Jones without opportunity, but he said The Tigers are definitely gonna lose one and potentially both [Chol & CCJ],’” Ralph relayed.
“’Footy is a business, they cannot keep both of them and football as anything is a business it’s a job, you need to take the best deal you can.
“Richmond have won three of the last four, how many more do we expect this group to win, staying won’t guarantee you are going to win premierships.’”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-news-2021-trade-whispers-latest-news-out-of-contract-players-free-agents-mabior-chol-zach-merrett-transfer-news/news-story/0a6f56e1cddd09eca0b7f905c0360460
-
Jon Ralph on Fox Footy:
Gold Coast interested. Richmond will fight tooth and nail to keep Coleman-Jones. He is worth something substantial. Scuttlebutt is GWS offered a first round pick for CCJ last year. So what is he going to be worth if he keeps kicking goals like this?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/afl/afl-tonight/rival-clubs-circling-tigers-young-guns!803346
Trade for green, with pick swaps or whatever.
-
Why trade, we need him, let’s keep him, the only thing is he may demand bigger $ than we are prepared to pay....and all after 1 game (this year)
-
This wont go down well. Yep cannot ask for more in just game two. 4 goals and he worked hard with out the ball.
Just think there are things he needs to work on and who's to say he wont.
People will say what drugs are you on but im not 100% sold he will become a top flight key forward. Yep the bloke has just kicked 4 goals in his second game but i think he looks more suited to a ruck role.
Yep maybe i do need some drugs and just enjoy the game he played a bit more.
Like all KP players at his age has room for improvement just like Balta or the King brothers.They hit there peake at 25 to 27 to hard to please Claw after one game.
Priority to sign him asap and we're crazy if we entertain a trade with Jack towards the end he is the perfect teacher for CCJ KP players don't grow on trees like midfielders.
-
Norf fans wanting CCJ :wallywink.
I've seen enough, North go offer Coleman-Jones lots of years at lots of money #AFLTigersCrows
Just texted similar to my north group. A decent offer. Get him in pre season draft
https://twitter.com/rickm18/status/1398881107379060745
-
We can always get him back after they fold.... :shh
-
Norf fans wanting CCJ :wallywink.
I've seen enough, North go offer Coleman-Jones lots of years at lots of money #AFLTigersCrows
Just texted similar to my north group. A decent offer. Get him in pre season draft
https://twitter.com/rickm18/status/1398881107379060745
He sa to be a must keep, we spend 3 years developing him he is a required player then we let him go??
Just doesn’t make sense to me
-
This wont go down well. Yep cannot ask for more in just game two. 4 goals and he worked hard with out the ball.
Just think there are things he needs to work on and who's to say he wont.
People will say what drugs are you on but im not 100% sold he will become a top flight key forward. Yep the bloke has just kicked 4 goals in his second game but i think he looks more suited to a ruck role.
Yep maybe i do need some drugs and just enjoy the game he played a bit more.
Like all KP players at his age has room for improvement just like Balta or the King brothers.They hit there peake at 25 to 27 to hard to please Claw after one game.
Priority to sign him asap and we're crazy if we entertain a trade with Jack towards the end he is the perfect teacher for CCJ KP players don't grow on trees like midfielders.
Totally agree. I remember Jack took time to develop and he had the benefit of Richo to teach him.
-
Would like to keep CCJ, however chances are high he along with Chol could leave for greater opportunities. Young Samson Ryan is tracking beautifully and may well take over both next year anyway. Should they leave get the best player or pick the other way.
-
Why prized trade target should stick with Tigers
Jack Watts learnt a valuable lesson in his AFL career that Callum Coleman-Jones should heed when he considers big money offers from rival clubs.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/purefooty/kfc-superfooty-tv-michael-warner-jay-clark-and-jack-watts-preview-round-12/news-story/85b2aea08cfd4dd47743cf5e4cfb3f5c
-
Like his work once the ball hits the deck for such a big man to go along with his strong aerial ability. Another very promising game :thumbsup
-
Like his work once the ball hits the deck for such a big man to go along with his strong aerial ability. Another very promising game :thumbsup
Good point here. Shame he shanked that last shot, got too close to the man on the mark imo.
Another solid game.
-
Ruckwork got better later in the game to.
-
Again looking for positives :-\.
Liking CCJ's down the line contesting. Took some crucial contested marks on the wing that turned defence into attacks. Something we lacked before he came back into the side. He also kicked a couple of goals so he's contributing and should keep his spot in the side.
-
Dimma said CJ and Lynch can play in the same side.
-
Under no circumstances we let this kid go his building nicely only 21 so much upside priority he signs.
-
Dimma said CJ and Lynch can play in the same side.
Drop Riewoldt
-
Must sign asap. Our next 10 year key forward.
-
Dimma said CJ and Lynch can play in the same side.
Drop Riewoldt
Both Lynch and Coleman-Jones can play CHF and FF with Jack playing of HFF
Allow Dusty and other mids to rotate through forward line and leave 2 permanent smalls to apply pressure such as a ........... insert here.
Surely both CCJ and Lynch can provide relief ruck at stages through the game.
We need to evolve from the dominant forward option and move ahead of the game or we'll be left behind
-
Lynch playing ruck probably resulted in his knee issue. Not one of Dimma's smartest ideas
-
Dimma said CJ and Lynch can play in the same side.
Drop Riewoldt
Lmao...he's still our best key forward by a mile..... :shh
-
This wont go down well. Yep cannot ask for more in just game two. 4 goals and he worked hard with out the ball.
Just think there are things he needs to work on and who's to say he wont.
People will say what drugs are you on but im not 100% sold he will become a top flight key forward. Yep the bloke has just kicked 4 goals in his second game but i think he looks more suited to a ruck role.
Yep maybe i do need some drugs and just enjoy the game he played a bit more.
Like all KP players at his age has room for improvement just like Balta or the King brothers.They hit there peake at 25 to 27 to hard to please Claw after one game.
Priority to sign him asap and we're crazy if we entertain a trade with Jack towards the end he is the perfect teacher for CCJ KP players don't grow on trees like midfielders.
Not having a got him georgies im just not sure he is a KPF. Could be totally wrong but he seems to lack a bit of agility a bit of leap and off the mark speed. I think these things are real important for key forwards.With some more genuine size and strength i see him more as a ruckman sort of a bit like sam Jacobs.He no doubt has a great pair of dukes and i think he would make a very good around the ground ruckman.
-
Does CJ have the tank like Cox to be an all over the ground ruckman?
-
Balmey said we're not playing CCJ in the ruck as we like him up forward with Lynch out.
-
Balmey said we're not playing CCJ in the ruck as we like him up forward with Lynch out.
100% agree with that.No one can yet explain why CCJ wasn't in the forward line with Jack in that last quarter was it poor coaching or something else I'm still baffled he was taking marks.
-
I want to see Lynch, Jack, CCJ and Nank in the same team.
I think it can work.
-
Coleman-Jones has been particularly impressive filling in for injured dual premiership star key forward Tom Lynch throughout the past three games.
He has kicked eight goals and is averaging 11.3 disposals, 8.3 contested possessions, 4.7 marks, 2.7 contested marks, 2.3 marks inside 50 and 6.0 score involvements per match.
The 22-year-old is ranked fourth in the competition for contested marks per game, seventh for goals per game and 16th for marks inside 50 per game.
“I think we’ve all been sitting back thinking how the hell can we fit this bloke in,” Balme said.
“He’s a damn good player . . . beautiful mark, competes really well.
“We probably haven’t played him in the ruck as much as we will ultimately, but that’s a bit because I think the coaches like him up forward because he is really quite dangerous, particularly with no “Lynchy” (Tom Lynch).
“He’s very exciting, I think.
“Our challenge is going to be how we fit them all in . . . the ‘bigs’ with the ‘smalls’, and make it all work, particularly if Lynchy and “Nank” (Toby Nankervis) are available soon.
“We’ve got some really good challenging decision to make, but it’s good to have them.”
Balme believes the Tigers can successfully fit Coleman-Jones, Lynch and Riewoldt all together in the line-up.
“I’m old-fashioned, I like ruckmen, I like big blokes to be out there. So, I think it can work,” he said.
“I think we understand what our system needs, and our blokes will make the right decisions around that . . .”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/959429/coleman-jones-gets-balme-s-stamp-of-approval
-
Cal Twomey and Mitch Cleary discussing CCJ:
So many takers including Gold Coast.
He'd be silly to make a decision until Lynch comes back and he sees how it goes with himself, Riewoldt and Lynch in the same side.
Signing of Harry McKay will make clubs seek out the next best forward and so they will be even more keen on Coleman-Jones.
21 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/news/632152/trade-edition-will-shai-stay-what-s-stopping-star-don-from-re-signing-
-
Priority signing for us with Jack getting on and Lynch having the yips. Couldn't possibly drop him on form. Try all 3 together!
-
Media guessing again.
Callum Coleman-Jones
Another Tiger who could be on the move, the key forward forced his way into Richmond’s best 22 in Round 11 and hasn’t looked back.
Largely benefiting from Tom Lynch’s absence, Coleman-Jones has booted eight goals from three matches. He is believed to be a figure of interest for rival clubs, particularly because of a lack of tall prospects in this year’s national draft.
It will be tough for Richmond to retain all their players, particularly someone like the 22-year old Coleman-Jones who will be tempted by a bigger contract and more money elsewhere. Could he be the next fringe Tiger to head to Gold Coast, following Oleg Markov and others?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2021-free-agents-players-with-most-at-stake-contracts-trade-targets-adam-cerra-shai-bolton-mason-cox/news-story/cd8d400535e569b1ddbba9598b4b3602
-
After a couple of years waiting for a second chance, Callum Coleman-Jones has performed well in the absence of star forward Lynch.
The 200cm 22-year-old kicked four goals against Adelaide in Round 11 - his first outing since 2019 - and has tallied eight majors and 19 marks in four games so far this season.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/30/the-players-at-your-club-who-have-taken-their-opportunity/
The question this week is can CJ play in the same team alongside Lynch and Jack?
-
CCJ has a calf according to Dimma.
Oddly, Dimma said CCJ came into the game already a bit tender with it and we thought he could get through :P. However, CCJ couldn't continue and he had to come off.
-
CCJ has a calf according to Dimma.
Oddly, Dimma said CCJ came into the game already a bit tender with it and we thought he could get through :P. However, CCJ couldn't continue and he had to come off.
Yes heard that... if that's true then his selection was foolish and wrong
Dimma also said Edwards is playing sore and battling through :gobdrop
-
CCJ has a calf according to Dimma.
Oddly, Dimma said CCJ came into the game already a bit tender with it and we thought he could get through :P. However, CCJ couldn't continue and he had to come off.
Yes heard that... if that's true then his selection was foolish and wrong
Dimma also said Edwards is playing sore and battling through :gobdrop
Stupid decision to pick him.
-
Terrible and a clear desperation selection. Must play players who can run out the game in the first instance.
-
CCJ has not made me go wow these last few weeks. Not sure if the hype can be matched by output.
Does compete well but missed quite a number of marks
-
I think CCJ will be fine. He's kicked goals. Here's played what 5 AFL games. He's a young KPF. Plenty of other concerns atm.
-
CCJ won't play due to his calf injury.
Source: AFL website.
-
He wasn't really playing anyway. Just running around like a scared baby giraffe. You could be forgiven for thinking he weighs 75kg not 105kg the way he fails so dismally to throw it around.
If only I were blessed with his size & athleticism I would smash blokes left, right & centre if I was privileged enough to wear a yellow & black jumper.
-
He wasn't really playing anyway. Just running around like a scared baby giraffe. You could be forgiven for thinking he weighs 75kg not 105kg the way he fails so dismally to throw it around.
If only I were blessed with his size & athleticism I would smash blokes left, right & centre if I was privileged enough to wear a yellow & black jumper.
Shouldn't havev played clearly mate was injured.
-
ALL THE WAY WITH CCJ
Tom Morris reports …
Foxsports
14 July 2021
Callum Coleman-Jones looms as hot property at the end of the season if he has not signed a new deal with Richmond.
Foxfooty.com.au has spoken to several clubs which said they would consider making a play for him. Collingwood, Essendon and Gold Coast are all scouring the country for a key position forward, while North Melbourne is also active in the market.
It’s understood Coleman-Jones wants to stay but is equally keen on playing regular senior football, something he has not done under Damien Hardwick this year.
The Suns in particular would make a play for the 22-year-old as they seek a partner in crime for Ben King in the forward half.
The Bombers see Coleman-Jones as a similar prospect to Peter Wright – a forward-ruck – and would prefer to bring in a genuine forward.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-brisbane-lions-salary-cap-ollie-hanrahan-geelong-callum-colemanjones-essendon-mason-cox-contract/news-story/b32853b85f58762361e03940dc4d25a0
-
need this guys signature asap.
How can we get to the end of the season with CCJ, Bolton still not signed up?
i dont think bolton is going anywhere as RC is a smart operator, but CCJ might see Chol performing and go what hope do i have.
sign him up now.
-
need this guys signature asap.
How can we get to the end of the season with CCJ, Bolton still not signed up?
i dont think bolton is going anywhere as RC is a smart operator, but CCJ might see Chol performing and go what hope do i have.
sign him up now.
Club would love to sign Bolton now but he and Ralph have put talks on hold. Can't sign him if they've pressed pause.
Will say in fairness to Ralph going by the interview he did with Robbo a few weeks back he's recommended that he re-sign ...once the season is over
-
need this guys signature asap.
How can we get to the end of the season with CCJ, Bolton still not signed up?
i dont think bolton is going anywhere as RC is a smart operator, but CCJ might see Chol performing and go what hope do i have.
sign him up now.
Club would love to sign Bolton now but he and Ralph have put talks on hold. Can't sign him if they've pressed pause.
Will say in fairness to Ralph going by the interview he did with Robbo a few weeks back he's recommended that he re-sign ...once the season is over
With Dusty out Bolts has a great chance to push his value up as he should be in the middle practically all the time
-
Bolton's the priority...CCJ...whatever....sell high I say.... :shh
-
BF podcast claiming "CCJ's gone".
36 min mark: https://www.facebook.com/BigFootyTigercast/videos/533845617850016
-
Not surprised.
Should play him the last 3 games if he's keepable. Elsewise there's no point tanking his trade value.
-
I reckon it's bs his going.
-
well if he ends up going who ever is involved in that should hand in their resignation.
Jack is too inconsistent at his age, as is Lynch and then who else have we got? Chol :lol :lol
-
As I said -sell high...but not that fussed either way really....we really need a mobile forward to replace Jack before we need another big lug who plays similar to Lynch...though always handy to have both options I guess.. :shh
-
What's he realistically worth as a trade option to the Suns or GWS. What are we likely to get in return?
-
They way I see it we trade him we're back to square one who's the ready tall to step up in seniors ?.
-
How we see his game tonight ?.
-
How we see his game tonight ?.
Not sure. Competed but floats in and out like Chol
Was good at the centre bounces
-
How we see his game tonight ?.
Not sure. Competed but floats in and out like Chol
Was good at the centre bounces
Yeah I thought he looked good in the middle, not bad with ball in hand. Sort of like Nank
-
Looked a bit more agile today... :shh
-
My mind is settled- keep CCJ and let Chol leave.
-
My mind is settled- keep CCJ and let Chol leave.
Yep
-
My mind is settled- keep CCJ and let Chol leave.
Yep
Same
-
Can't afford let him go.
-
Thought he had his best game in the ruck. Another pre season and that number 2 ruck problem might be solved.
-
https://www.zerohanger.com/tigers-young-gun-tipped-to-remain-at-punt-road-89125/
:shh
-
https://www.zerohanger.com/tigers-young-gun-tipped-to-remain-at-punt-road-89125/
:shh
Great news Dio. These blokes have a good strike rate?
-
Hopefully it happens, drafting a young ruckman always seems to be a slow burn and is very hit and miss.
Let’s hope it all works out
-
Be rapt with that can play 22 games next year have a good preseason to.
-
Good move if it happens.
Jack replacement.
-
CCJ's game today as No.1 ruck.
9 disposals (4k, 5h, 7c, 4u, 77.8% eff.)
3 marks (2 contested)
4 tackles
2 clearances (both centre clearances)
2 inside 50s
12 hitouts
175m gained
3 intercepts
2 score involvements
0 frees for
3 frees against
68% time on ground
-
Good game will be crazy to entertain a trade big upside.
-
Must keep. Move Chol on.
-
Good game. Looks capable in the middle, more than the forward line. Surprisingly agile with ball in hand.
-
Reckon he’s our x factor going into season ‘22
-
From Sam Edmund on SEN:
Callum Coleman-Jones (Richmond)
(Regarding a text suggesting he is a certainty to join North Melbourne).
“All I can say is what we hear now is, ‘We’re monitoring him’. That’s the phrase that gets thrown around from a lot of clubs.
“No cards played yet, to my knowledge, but I’m writing that down.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/01/sam-edmunds-trade-update-on-parker-hewett-narkle-and-more/
-
COLEMAN-JONES WEIGHS TIGERS OFFER
RICHMOND has offered young key forward Callum Coleman-Jones a two-year deal as the talented tall considers his future.
The out-of-contract 22-year-old has interest from clubs including Gold Coast, while the Tigers remain keen to keep him as a part of their future forward line plans.
Coleman-Jones played eight games this season, including a four-goal haul against Adelaide in round 11 in his first appearance of the year and just the second game of his AFL career. He booted 11 goals for the season and is viewed as a long-term forward option who can also be used in the ruck.
A quad injury after round 16, however, meant the Tigers didn't have many games to trial the three-pronged tall forward line with Coleman-Jones combining with premiership pair Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/673366/cerra-meets-with-clubs-young-tiger-weighs-offer-eagle-staying-put
-
He should jump at that, he hasn't done much to earn a big contract yet. If he goes let's get top returns. Norf's first pick in 2022 would do.
-
Tiger talls to make call on future
Michael Gleeson
The Age
September 11, 2021 — 1.45pm
Two Richmond key forwards and rucks could be poised to leave the club, upending the Tigers’ plans for rebuilding their premiership squad on the run.
Highly rated Callum Coleman-Jones will decide next week if he will accept a two-year offer to remain at Punt Road or pursue a move, with Gold Coast and North Melbourne leading the push for the out-of-contract player.
Coleman-Jones was drafted at pick 20, the first pick in the second round of the 2017 national draft, having played most of his junior football as a ruckman and forward. The 200-centimetre tall has spent four years at Richmond developing primarily as a forward behind Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt.
The 21-year-old has played just nine games, including eight this season, with the Tigers believing more opportunities will continue to open up in the forward line with Riewoldt entering what is likely to be in his last season next year.
This time last year Coleman-Jones and teammate Sydney Stack were suspended for 10 matches and the club fined $100,000 when the pair was involved in a fight outside a kebab shop after they had been kicked out of a strip club on the Gold Coast.
That fine had to be included in the club’s soft cap on football spending.
Complicating the picture for both players when they consider opportunities ahead at the club is that Toby Nankervis and Ivan Soldo are both expected to be fit for the start of next season.
Richmond have a strong draft hand this year, holding Geelong’s first-round, St Kilda’s second-round and Gold Coast’s third-round draft picks as well as their own first, second and third-round picks.
While Coleman-Jones could theoretically walk to North Melbourne through the pre-season draft for nothing should he choose to leave Richmond and accept the Roos’ offer, he is unlikely to pursue this option and would want a trade were he to leave.
Gold Coast appear favourites to secure him if Coleman-Jones decides to leave. The Suns also have a strong hand of draft picks and could readily do a deal with Richmond.
He will meet with his manager Michael Doughty next week to decide on his future.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-talls-to-make-call-on-future-20210909-p58qa1.html
-
"I say, Callum Coleman-Jones owes the Tigers."
Caroline Wilson believes the young Tiger needs reminding that the club stood by him last year after the hub breach, when deciding where he plays next season.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1437392105262002181
Caro:
- CCJ's manager needs to give him better advice.
- CCJ owes the Club. His kebab incident cost Richmond $100k.
-
i think Cornes is actually right for once.
we have butchered this totally if he leaves and i dont give a stuff about the pick we get in return. Jack is finished and the end is very close, and Lynch well we know what we get with him. One of those guys gets injured who do we have? George, Caddy :lol
-
Realistically what could we expect to get in return.
Gold Coast have picks 3,19,22,43,55,58.
I think he’s worth way more than 43, maybe if we bundled in one of our third round picks fir there 22 or a future second round pick.
Either or would be around the mark I would have thought?
-
Realistically what could we expect to get in return.
Gold Coast have picks 3,19,22,43,55,58.
I think he’s worth way more than 43, maybe if we bundled in one of our third round picks fir there 22 or a future second round pick.
Either or would be around the mark I would have thought?
I'd ask for 19 (21 after bids at least).
-
"I say, Callum Coleman-Jones owes the Tigers."
Caroline Wilson believes the young Tiger needs reminding that the club stood by him last year after the hub breach, when deciding where he plays next season.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1437392105262002181
Caro:
- CCJ's manager needs to give him better advice.
- CCJ owes the Club. His kebab incident cost Richmond $100k.
Agree with Caro, CCJ owes us for sticking by him after last year's kebab stuff up
And BTW Caro it cost us more than $100k. Somethings and some people don't come with a price tag :shh
-
Sam Edmund on SEN just now:
* Richmond desperately trying to keep CCJ with a two-year deal. However, the situation at Richmond will not change next year. CCJ will still be behind Riewoldt & Lynch in Richmond's forward line and Nankervis in the ruck.
* Edmund believes CCJ is more likely to leave and go to North Melbourne.
* Not too many players who have played just 9 games in 4 years think they owe their club. Edmund said he has no problem if CCJ decides to play elsewhere for greater opportunity.
-
North is the worst case scenario as they have the upper hand with their 1st pick in the pre season draft.
-
Got no problem with him leaving but walking into the PSD after everything that's happened would be a total dog act.... :thumbsdown
-
Agree but its an absolute possibility
-
RICHMOND TALL WEIGHING UP DEPARTURE TO RIVAL VICTORIAN CLUB
BY SEN
14 September 2021
Rising Richmond star Callum Coleman-Jones is weighing up his future with the club with North Melbourne the likely landing spot if he chooses to leave.
SEN Chief Reporter Sam Edmund is reporting that Coleman-Jones’ decision could be made as soon as today.
The 22-year-old has played nine career games since being selected in the 2017 National Draft, eight of which came this season.
“This morning was a very important morning for Richmond and Callum Coleman-Jones,” Edmund told SEN’s Whateley.
“The ruck-forward has been agonising over his future. Richmond has dug in and tried their best to keep him, it’s a two-year offer on the table.
“There is a feeling that he has decided not to take that offer. The big decisions are coming today on this.
“Gold Coast has been really interested and North Melbourne as well. They’re the two suitors for Callum Coleman-Jones.
“He’s had to be very patient and has played nine games in four years. Toby Nankervis is still there, Ivan Soldo comes back from injury, Jack Riewoldt has re-signed, Tom Lynch isn’t going anywhere.
“So it’s real decision time for a young, emerging player who just wants to play.”
Edmund believes the Roos are in the box seat if Coleman-Jones chooses to depart Tigerland.
“I think if he leaves Richmond it’s going to be to the Kangaroos,” he said.
“Which if that is the case, it’s an enormous coup for North to prise a player out of Richmond who they desperately want to keep. It would be a huge vote of confidence for the direction they are headed.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/14/richmond-tall-weighing-up-departure-to-rival-victorian-club/
-
We need a high 1st rounder and low 2nd rounder at a minimum.
-
If he goes to Norf we aint getting squat for him.
-
A huge vote of confidence or just more years/dollars/playing time garaunteed?
-
i think Cornes is actually right for once.
we have butchered this totally if he leaves and i dont give a stuff about the pick we get in return. Jack is finished and the end is very close, and Lynch well we know what we get with him. One of those guys gets injured who do we have? George, Caddy :lol
:thumbsup
-
i think Cornes is actually right for once.
we have butchered this totally if he leaves and i dont give a stuff about the pick we get in return. Jack is finished and the end is very close, and Lynch well we know what we get with him. One of those guys gets injured who do we have? George, Caddy :lol
:thumbsup
How have we butchered this exactly? We were coming off 3 premierships in 4 years where riewoldt, Lynch, nank, soldo were all rightfully ahead of him in the fwd/ruck positions. He probably cost himself a spot in last years flag after he got suspended and soldo went down. Then this year where the team took a backwards step he was giving more opportunities which were only ended after he was injured. Not saying it won’t be a shame to lose him and our fwd stocks seem quite short moving forward, but short of offering him more years/dollars, what do you exactly want the club to do?
-
Pick 20 would have to be it if its Norf
-
It would still give us 3 top 20 picks so we'll have to be happy with that
-
Yeah pick 20 from North is fair. Ready to play 200cm player will be better than any player they will get in the draft
-
Norf apparently have offered him..,..................wait for it...........5 year's @ $450k a year. No wonder we're no chance.
-
another big footy scoop?
-
I'll be dirty on him if he leaves.
Bit of a Higgins. Too pussy to earn his spot, especially after costing someone else their job.
If it's North they have us by the balls. Need to hope the last shred of decency in CCJ demands that RFC is compensated for his loss.
-
We're getting bananas if he goes to norf. Theyre pushing him to the psd.
-
If he goes to the psd he’ll need to go to Sth America to live the rest of his life. All 100k plus Richmomd supporters will hound him for his absolute campaigner act
-
CCJ
Callum Campaigner Judas
-
another big footy scoop?
Yeah nah BF's main Richmond snout reckons he's a "lock" to GC....so he's probably off to Norf or staying put... :shh
-
450 for 5 years doesn’t seem something too far off , I hope they keep him as he has shown enough for me to know he will be in our top 22
Big blokes always take time to develop
-
Quality talls could force out Tiger
Richmond’s Callum Coleman-Jones will make a decision on his future in the next 48 hours but looks well placed to join North Melbourne given the Tigers’ ruck strength.
Gold Coast believes he will eventually find his way to the Roos after their interest was rebuffed because of his determination to remain in Victoria.
Both South Australian-based clubs have strong ruck stocks so he was never likely to return to Adelaide.
Richmond has offered a two-year deal but admits it will play Toby Nankervis and Ivan Soldo as their rucks next year.
The Tigers are keen to keep Coleman-Jones despite interest from North Melbourne and Gold Coast.
He served an AFL Covid-related suspension early in the year and when he was not injured he played seniors in eight games of diminishing returns.
After four goals against Adelaide then two goals against each of Essendon and West Coast he kicked three goals in his last five games playing ruck-forward.
He knows Jack Riewoldt could retire at the end of 2022, but if he wants to play ruck the dependable Nankervis and Soldo will take the ruck reins next year as Soldo returns from an ACL.
It means the Roos would guarantee opportunity playing as a key tall.
Keeping Coleman-Jones at the club is a much bigger priority than retaining the inconsistent Chol, who kicked four goals against Brisbane but only three goals in nine other games.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-player-movement-and-potential-trades-in-the-afl/news-story/902e05ce0c811960e3161633e63cdff6
-
There’s no stuffen way soldo plays ahead of CCJ. If chol
Leaves, the door is wide open for ccj to step into the side. Must keep one of chol or ccj
-
If fit, Soldo absolutely plays ahead of CCJ at this stage imo.
Natural improvement in CCJ may change that, but as it stands our premiership ruckman, Soldo, is a VERY important player to our team.
-
I would like to keep him but you only have a limited time to play this game. Has served his apprenticeship and is seeking game time in the seniors. Obviously he will not play ahead of Tom or Jack hence is looking at what playing for another club looks like. We cant keep all the tall players we have unless they are satisfied with reserve grade footy- it's a good thing they are not!
Should he leave, good on him and I trust we will arrange a fair trade.
-
I really hope we can find a way to keep him. Sure he might not get 22 games next year but he is a big chance of playing in a Flag and I couldnt imagine playing as a deep forward for North would be a great experience. Thats the way I would be trying to sell it anyway.
-
If fit, Soldo absolutely plays ahead of CCJ at this stage imo.
Natural improvement in CCJ may change that, but as it stands our premiership ruckman, Soldo, is a VERY important player to our team.
I just couldn’t disagree more. Soldo has such little impact on the game and has most likely reached his ceiling especially with the knee injury whilst CCJ has much, much more to offer.
Nank no.1 ruck and CCJ fwd and 2nd ruck looks a lot better than with soldo
-
NORTH MELBOURNE TO LAND RICHMOND RUCK-FORWARD IF HE LEAVES TIGERLAND
Sam Edmund
SEN
15 September 2021
North Melbourne has won the race for Callum Coleman-Jones should he tell Richmond he wants a fresh start.
Coleman-Jones would accept a four-year contract at the Kangaroos if he parts ways with the Tigers.
Gold Coast had come hard for the Richmond ruck-forward, offering a five-year deal, but Coleman-Jones has chosen North.
Reports claimed the Kangaroos had also put a five-year offer in front of the 22-year-old Tiger, but the contract is for four.
The Tigers have fought hard to keep Coleman-Jones at Punt Road and offered him a two-year contract to stay.
But after nine games in four years – and with Toby Nankervis, Ivan Soldo, Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt all still in front of him - he is craving more opportunity.
Coleman-Jones enjoys life in Melbourne and the 201cm Tiger arguably looms as a better fit at the Roos where ruckman Todd Goldstein is 33 and four years older than Suns counterpart and co-captain Jarrod Witts.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/15/north-melbourne-to-land-richmond-ruckman-if-he-leaves-tigerland/
-
“Callum Coleman Jones, rivals believe he’ll be at North Melbourne next year on a long-term deal – probably a five-year deal on somewhere between $400,000 to $450,000, a year,” Tom Morris told AFL Tonight.
“I believe it’s going to be this long-term deal for five years. Gold Coast also offered five years, but Coleman-Jones wants to play more in the ruck.
“It’s fair to say Todd Goldstein is closer to the end than Jarrod Witts so it makes sense to go to North Melbourne if he does want to play more in the ruck.
“This will be a great win for North Melbourne. It is a bit of a blow to the Tigers, but they just couldn’t justify the length of deal or the money that Coleman-Jones clearly wanted and that North Melbourne and Gold Coast were offering.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-callum-colemanjones-north-melbourne-mabior-chol-gold-coast-dylan-stephens-collingwood/news-story/5b7fbb960c863f2f72af4ee6a1dc5d1f
-
At the end of the day look after your future, but gez he cost the club bigtime last year same scenario as Higgins doesn't want to fight for his place and walk.He played 8 games this year 2 missed by injury and 7 suspended he got plenty opportunity.
-
Good luck at Norf and the decent into mediocrity
-
CCJ gone to North according to Jon Ralph.
-----------------
"Callum Coleman Jones to play for the Roos next year. The chance to play ruck hugely exciting for him alongside Goldstein and Soldo is back for the Tigers with Nank already at Punt Road. A huge coup. Weideman not in the Roos plans."
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1438001362709606403
-
There is no way we could justify a 4-5 year deal. Agree with the club offering only 2-3 years based on what he’s shown so far.
It is unfortunate but it is what it is. Can’t really fault the guy for accepting a deal 2-3 years longer than the one we are offering. No different to all the other fringe players we’ve lost over the past 5 years, have all left for one or more of money, contract length, playing opportunity. None of them have even remotely come back to haunt us imo and hopefully it stays that way.
-
Poor player management to develop a player to a stage he can play first ruck for another club and from and get about the pick back we used to get him in the first place.
Should be given a longer contract and play ruck before Soldo imho
-
Poor player management to develop a player to a stage he can play first ruck for another club and from and get about the pick back we used to get him in the first place.
Should be given a longer contract and play ruck before Soldo imho
He wouldn’t play first ruck for north. He’d be behind Goldstein.
Also as a ruck I think soldo is a much better option. Have always seen CJ as a forward who pinch hits in the ruck rather than the other way round.
-
I wish this peace of poo all the best.
North have us over a barrel. Why would they cough up 20 when they get him for free? It looks like this scum bag doesnt give a poo if that happens either.
-
I'll keep my powder dry until it is official
But if true it is a very poor decision by the young man
People keep saying he cost a person their job after the kebab fiasco
1 person, fulltime yes
But more than one when you are talking about the part timers and match day only folks
-
So he should stay on a 2 year deal and knock back 4-5 years at North on serious coin?
This isn't suburban footy where he's leaving for a few extra hundred bucks. It is his job.
Kid can play, meet him in the middle somewhere
-
CCJ gone to North according to Jon Ralph.
-----------------
"Callum Coleman Jones to play for the Roos next year. The chance to play ruck hugely exciting for him alongside Goldstein and Soldo is back for the Tigers with Nank already at Punt Road. A huge coup. Weideman not in the Roos plans."
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1438001362709606403
What a campaigner. Hope he does a massive knee in the Pre-season
-
So he should stay on a 2 year deal and knock back 4-5 years at North on serious coin?
This isn't suburban footy where he's leaving for a few extra hundred bucks. It is his job.
Kid can play, meet him in the middle somewhere
You are assuming we aren't offering him "serious coin"
I would give him 3 years not 2 that's too short. But I wouldn't be giving him $450k a season yet
How much do you think he is worth a season??
-
Callum Twomey reckons Richmond will make one last-ditch bid to retain CCJ but ultimately he will leave to go to North Melbourne.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/677181/dawson-s-value-tigers-last-ditch-bid-giants-forward-future?videoId=677181&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1631687400001
-
CCJ gone to North according to Jon Ralph.
-----------------
"Callum Coleman Jones to play for the Roos next year. The chance to play ruck hugely exciting for him alongside Goldstein and Soldo is back for the Tigers with Nank already at Punt Road. A huge coup. Weideman not in the Roos plans."
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1438001362709606403
What a campaigner. Hope he does a massive knee in the Pre-season
stuff that is a pathetic thing to say
So he should stay on a 2 year deal and knock back 4-5 years at North on serious coin?
This isn't suburban footy where he's leaving for a few extra hundred bucks. It is his job.
Kid can play, meet him in the middle somewhere
You are assuming we aren't offering him "serious coin"
I would give him 3 years not 2 that's too short. But I wouldn't be giving him $450k a season yet
How much do you think he is worth a season??
Not over 5 years we're not. Hence why you can't blame him if he leaves
Id give him 3 years at 400k.
-
Tiger tall set to join Kangaroos ...
Richmond tall Callum Coleman-Jones has told the Tigers he wants to be traded to North Melbourne ....
Coleman-Jones informed the Tigers of his preference to move across town to Arden Street with the promise of more opportunities to play senior football and to spend more time in the ruck.
Coleman-Jones was also courted by the Gold Coast Suns but declined their offer in favour of a move to the Kangaroos. He informed all three clubs of his decision early this week.
Coleman-Jones was drafted as a ruckman from his junior football and wants to spend more time in the ruck. While Todd Goldstein will naturally remain first ruck, he is in his final season or two and North believe the arrival of support will help him potentially extend his playing career if he can alternate with Coleman-Jones in the forward line.
A move to the Gold Coast would have had an irony about it for Coleman-Jones, as it was the location of his COVID breach, where he and teammate Sydney Stack got in a fight outside a kebab shop after being kicked out of a strip club. He was suspended for 10 weeks and the club fined $100,000 for the breach last year.
The fact Coleman-Jones has chosen to leave after the Tigers were heavily punished and supported him following that incident has left the club privately angry.
The trade value for Coleman-Jones is difficult to quantify as he was pick 20 - the first pick in the second round - four years ago but has only played nine games in that time. North Melbourne presently have the first pick in the second round of this year’s draft.
The Tigers would consider that four years of time put into a player and the contract terms offered to him to move would mean he is worth a pick better than what they originally used on him. North would argue Coleman-Jones has only played nine games in four years.
While it is unlikely to be used, the Kangaroos also have the first pick in the pre-season draft, so theoretically if negotiations failed he could walk there for nothing.
Richmond had feared one of the players might leave for more opportunity but they were hopeful they would be able to keep one of the out-of-contract talls.
The duo will exit believing in large part that with Toby Nankervis coming back into the team and Ivan Soldo returning from knee surgery next year, they would be pushed down the pecking order behind the premiership ruckmen. Now the Tigers have lost the depth they had to support their ruck and tall forward stocks.
Both players were worried that with COVID uncertainty continuing there is no guarantee that yet another VFL season will not be interrupted next year and not playing regular senior AFL football may mean no regular football anywhere again next year, which comes after two years of interrupted VFL seasons.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-talls-set-to-join-kangaroos-suns-20210915-p58ryl.html
-
Honestly I don't mind if he goes, I didn't think a huge amount of him anyway just a potential but not a complete player. Let's recruit another tall fwd with an early pick who can play after jack retires.
-
Recruit a couple of key defenders and play Balta CHF.
-
Big fish, small pond.
Shows the man he is, after the crap storm he brought to the club last year. And if I remember correctly it was the small man Stack who looked to be going after that bloke in the video while this beast of a man crapped his dacks.
I'd take 20 but I doubt we'll get it with the threat of PSD. 20 with 44 going back I could live with. 38 on its own is a fail for the club but oh well they have us over a barrel.
As for CCJ...well he missed 7 games due to suspension, 2 due to injury. Played another 8 games this year which wasn't bad. Heck he might have been a premiership player if he wasn't a DH first and foremost.
F him, I say. Enjoy Tasmania.
-
Maybe we should all hold off on the sharpening of the pitch forks until this actually happens lol
-
The chicken little era is returning. Some of the dumbest and worst type of supporters belong to our club. Almost Port Adelaide level of feral behaviour
-
As far as I know no decision has been made yet either way.
-
The chicken little era is returning. Some of the dumbest and worst type of supporters belong to our club. Almost Port Adelaide level of feral behaviour
Sounds like you're thrilled for him leaving.
I think he owes the club and has done a Higgins just as he is on the cusp of more games etc.
Don't have to wish him well if we don't wanna. That's not a reflection on us any more than it is on him.
-
Dont blame either for wanting more games or wanting to play in their prefered position. Players in the past have insisted when moving that their past club get fair compensation.
Have never thought Chol or CC-J were pure forwards and i think Chol only a second ruck. CC-J if he becomes a good player it will be as a ruckman and not a forward.
We have Mate Colina and Sampson Ryan as developing ruckman and Soldo will be back to Partner Nankervis. We are not imo going to miss either a hell of a lot. What it does do is a favour to us as we may now go out and target a few genuine pure tall forwards which imo has always been a need.
-
I’d like him to stay. Agree he owes us, even a year like Dan Rioli.
Reckon he’s a better option than Soldo as he can also play forward and kick goals but he’s got to be stronger - was rag dolled a little in the ruck.
Can’t believe he’d leave now …. put in all the hard yards and leaves now?
His manager should have a word in his ear …
-
Yes he does owe us.
I think we should offer atleast a third.
If he does leave for mine he is taking the soft option and easy one.
He has shown a bit and he should back himself in to have a good preseason and keep Soldo out of the team.
-
Damian Barrett actually very kind to us today in his podcast.
He said:
* There's a history of fringe players in dynasty teams not being as good as they appear and struggling when they move to another club.
* He is in the minority but doesn't think losing both CCJ & Chol will hurt Richmond. Neither were part of our best 22.
* Harder to play well in poorer sides. Good luck to CCJ at North who have only won four games this year and to Chol at the terrible Suns.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/677266/listen-why-history-s-calling-gawn-roos-circling-this-tiger-hard
-
Damian Barrett actually very kind to us today in his podcast.
He said:
* There's a history of fringe players in dynasty teams not being as good as they appear and struggling when they move to another club.
* He is in the minority but doesn't think losing both CCJ & Chol will hurt Richmond. Neither were part of our best 22.
* Harder to play well in poorer sides. Good luck to CCJ at North who have only won four games this year and to Chol at the terrible Suns.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/677266/listen-why-history-s-calling-gawn-roos-circling-this-tiger-hard
Remember Shane Morrison. Kept out by Jonathon Brown. Yeah right!
-
Bar-rat makes some decent points.
-
His manager should have a word in his ear …
By all reports his manager has had a word and is encouraging him to go
-
His manager should have a word in his ear …
By all reports his manager has had a word and is encouraging him to go
Of course.
Commission!
-
Damian Barrett actually very kind to us today in his podcast.
He said:
* There's a history of fringe players in dynasty teams not being as good as they appear and struggling when they move to another club.
* He is in the minority but doesn't think losing both CCJ & Chol will hurt Richmond. Neither were part of our best 22.
* Harder to play well in poorer sides. Good luck to CCJ at North who have only won four games this year and to Chol at the terrible Suns.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/677266/listen-why-history-s-calling-gawn-roos-circling-this-tiger-hard
Remember Shane Morrison. Kept out by Jonathon Brown. Yeah right!
A chill went through like I was possessed by a ghost when the name Shane Morrison came up.
Poor man’s Johno Brown I recall :lol
-
This situation very much reminds me of Ben Lennon at the end of 2015. Like CCJ he struggled to break into the team (albeit we were much worse back then) and only got to play a handful of games where he managed to have the odd good game or 2 which had supporters pining for him to be selected/re-signed. After flirting with Carlton he eventually in the off-season when out of contract he finally re-signed and well 2 seasons later he was delisted and has never played AFL footy again.
Like I said we’ve lost a number of fringe players over the past 5 years and none have come back to haunt us. I’d back the club in knowing CCJs worth and offering a fair contract in terms of length and $$$ and if he still wants to go to north then good luck to him.
-
Hardwick said there was still a bit to play out in Coleman-Jones’ situation, even declaring the out-of-contract Tiger was a “required player”.
“We haven’t actually worked our way through this, but for us he’s a required player. He’s requested a trade to the Kangas, which is disappointing.
Hardwick then cheekily added: “We look forward to receiving Pick 1 coming back our way.”
Chol, 24, has played 31 games for Richmond since being selected as a rookie in late 2015, while Coleman-Jones has managed just nine matches after being taken with Pick 20 in the 2017 national draft.
“It is hard because we’ve been together on a journey,” Hardwick said.
“They just want to play. I can sit there and say ‘listen I can try and try and try’, but the reality is they want to play, every kid – and that’s the challenge (for us) being at the top for a little period of time. We’ve got some players that are capable of playing some regular AFL footy and they just don’t quite get the chance.”
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-richmond-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-mabior-chol-gold-coast-callum-colemanjones-north-melbourne-robbie-tarrant/news-story/57b3d3049e143252bba807706ab75d07).
-
I really liked Ben Lennon or at least always remained optimistic about his upside.. Obviously not on the same league as Cripps but I thought he would actually be good without being elite.
-
I really liked Ben Lennon or at least always remained optimistic about his upside.. Obviously not on the same league as Cripps but I thought he would actually be good without being elite.
Ben never handled the mental side and pressure of AFL.
Didnt have the work rate or work ethic to get to the level of fitness.
Shame as his skills were elite
-
His manager should have a word in his ear …
By all reports his manager has had a word and is encouraging him to go
Wrong word. He could be a 10 year player in an elite system or a lamb to the slaughter getting overpaid amidst jealous teammates.
-
Trade talk: ‘Filthy’ Tigers dig heels in on CCJ
Richmond will play hard ball on a trade for Callum Coleman-Jones, with rival list managers believing the Roos will have to give over pick 20 as the centrepiece of the trade.
The Roos are adamant they will keep that pick and hand over a later selection given Coleman-Jones played only nine games in four years at Richmond.
Richmond were genuinely filthy that former No.20 pick Coleman-Jones decided to move, although Damien Hardwick’s Fox Footy demand for pick one was very much tongue in cheek.
“CJ, for us he’s a required player. He has requested a trade to the Kangaroos which is disappointing but we look forward to receiving pick one coming back our way,” he joked.
North Melbourne could secure “CCJ” in the pre-season draft but players don’t want to use that avenue because it leaves their former club without fair compensation.
Jack Martin and Jackson Hately only used that avenue in recent years after trades fell through at the last minute.
The other bit of leverage the Roos have is departing free agent Robbie Tarrant.
The Tigers would normally trade for North Melbourne defender Tarrant with a late throwaway pick so it didn’t dilute their incoming free agency compensation for Mabior Chol.
That pick might only be a third-rounder but it could help the Tigers move up in the draft order.
The Roos would have to be prepared to do a trade on Tarrant instead of letting him go so it will be up to the Tigers to play nice on a trade.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-trade-contract-draft-and-coaching-news-across-the-afl/news-story/e50d0db5942ae686041a1bdca4664b72
-
CCJ was a pick 20. We have put years into him, supported him through the Kebab incident and the past year he has looked like stepping up. If Norf think pick 20 is overs they and CCJ can GAGF. If anything we should make them go out shopping for another first rounder if they don't want to give pick 1 (which I wouldn't expect from them)
-
We drafted Coleman Jones around pick 20 , developed him to a stage where he shows good potential. He’s worth pick 20 imho . I would image North would like to keep their first pick in the pre season draft so if I would suggest if it’s a fair trade ,we will get 20 and trade a late 3rd or 4th round pick back for Tarrant.
-
We won't get 20 for CCJ unless we send something back at a minimum.
He looks good but has played 9 games and North really doesn't have to be kind to us at all.
-
The clubs expects at least 20 and they should know his value better than us!
-
We won't get 20 for CCJ unless we send something back at a minimum.
He looks good but has played 9 games and North really doesn't have to be kind to us at all.
True on the North front given they have PSD pick 1. But we paid pick 20 after him playing zero games. We invested in him for 4 years. If we don't get at least pick 20 back we are being raped.
Don't discount their 2nd round plus a player. Maybe Aaron Hall (decent player but at the end of his career).
-
The clubs expects at least 20 and they should know his value better than us!
Trade period hasn't even started. It's not like Hardwick is gonna come out and say oh yeah we'll take 38 or 69 for him.
Nor is North going to offer 20 up front.
We'll say 20. They'll say 69. I'd be content with 38 because I recognise we have zero bargaining power now that CCJ has elected to leave and doesn't depend on a trade being agreed by the clubs.
-
We won't get 20 for CCJ unless we send something back at a minimum.
He looks good but has played 9 games and North really doesn't have to be kind to us at all.
True on the North front given they have PSD pick 1. But we paid pick 20 after him playing zero games. We invested in him for 4 years. If we don't get at least pick 20 back we are being raped.
Don't discount their 2nd round plus a player. Maybe Aaron Hall (decent player but at the end of his career).
Look I agree his worth is better than 38, but flat out we should be ready and lubed with this one.
Do you think they'll honestly give us 20 + Hall for CCJ? Haha. Come on mate.
Consider North's position. They need a player like CCJ. They also finished last and have picks 1, 20 and 38. They technically don't have to trade a damned thing for CCJ as he can walk to them via PSD. Are they going to offer pick 20? Heck no. They need to hit the draft or use it to bring in talent via trade for something or someone else.
A good scenario here is probably 38 unless we throw in something else but honestly if I was in charge of North I wouldn't even bother I'd just offer 69 or tell RFC to gagf. The members demand results and why would they throw away good picks when they don't have to?
-
Let’s wait and see if a good un contracted player is available for North in the pre season draft before we surrender.
-
Even suggesting Aaron Hall in some sort of deal is scary. One good season in how many? Don't want him anywhere near our Club
Club needs to play hard ball as long as needed on this one. Let the ungrateful lad, his manager and N0rt sweat on to until the last 45 minutes of the trade period
And in the interim I'd be talking to every other Club that maybe interested in CCJ
Players have far too much control during trade period IMHO. It has got worse since free agency came in
-
Even suggesting Aaron Hall in some sort of deal is scary. One good season in how many? Don't want him anywhere near our Club
Club needs to play hard all as long as needed on this one. Let the ungrateful lad, his manager and N0rt sweat on to until the last 45 minutes of the trade period
And in the interim I'd be talking to every other Club that maybe interested in CCJ
Players have far too much control during trade period IMHO. It has got worse since free agency came in
CJ would have to agree to join any other clubs. It’s not like the nba where players can be traded without their consent. So unless CJ agrees to it (which I doubt as your unlikely to find someone matching north’s offer) then no point in talking to others. I also don’t think they’re gonna be sweating anything. Worst case (for us not them) is there isn’t a trade and they get him for nothing in the PSD.
-
I’d absolutely talk to other clubs. CCJ can and should be encouraged to do the right by our club providing that alternate club can meet his needs.
Afterall, what are the Roos offering? A contract and playing time. Not much else for a broke, down on their luck hack of a club which is the reigning wooden spooner.
-
CJ would have to agree to join any other clubs. It’s not like the nba where players can be traded without their consent.
Exactly my point, it isn't like the NBA or MLB
AFL players wanted free agency but they wanted it on their terms only
If they truly want a free agency model then that model should allow clubs to trade players to whichever club they want. They only time that would not be permitted would be like in the NBA or MLB when a player qualifies to have a no trade clause in their contract
the other thing that should go are these stupid compo picks.... flick those and allow clubs to trade players where they want and you a have a fairer Free Agency system
-
Even suggesting Aaron Hall in some sort of deal is scary. One good season in how many? Don't want him anywhere near our Club
Club needs to play hard ball as long as needed on this one. Let the ungrateful lad, his manager and N0rt sweat on to until the last 45 minutes of the trade period
And in the interim I'd be talking to every other Club that maybe interested in CCJ
Players have far too much control during trade period IMHO. It has got worse since free agency came in
What's to sweat on? If we won't come to a deal he just walks and North pay nothing.
Agree with the sentiment though.
-
Im glad we have a good recruitment dept these days who know the true value of a player and don’t listen to the opinion of the media
-
Rival clubs are also of the view Richmond will drive a hard bargain in any trade with North Melbourne for Callum Coleman-Jones.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/trade-wrap-fort-on-the-radar-as-lions-hunt-big-man-20210922-p58tym.html
-
Rival clubs are also of the view Richmond will drive a hard bargain in any trade with North Melbourne for Callum Coleman-Jones.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/trade-wrap-fort-on-the-radar-as-lions-hunt-big-man-20210922-p58tym.html
Empty comments. Unless another club convinces CCJ it's worth his time to look elsewhere then we are stuffed.
Honestly though you would think there are other clubs keen. Dons, Dogs, Cats, GC, GWS. All of them should be asking the question.
-
He wants to go Norf because they're so shyte he'll be guaranteed a game every week... :shh
-
Reckon we'll get pick 20 and 40, and give them 26 or 28 - some deal along those lines.
-
Reckon we'll get pick 20 and 40, and give them 26 or 28 - some deal along those lines.
He's worth pick 20 on its own every day of the week. Ruckman are premium goods. Every other club gets or pays for them. Why can't we for a change.
-
CCJ should take note of BBB, even an ordinary player can look good in a good side
-
He should also be thinking of norf shoving BB out the door. Not a great way to treat your players. Add that to them low balling and disrespecting Tarrant.
Not sure where his heads at but he's making the wrong call.
-
He's head is where his manager wants it to be. Either trying to drive Richmond's offer up, or leaving and going to North for more opportunities.
-
He should also be thinking of norf shoving BB out the door. Not a great way to treat your players. Add that to them low balling and disrespecting Tarrant.
Not sure where his heads at but he's making the wrong call.
How are the disrespecting Tarrant? He's 32. They obviously were never going to pay him much, and I believe he has left to chase success in his twilight like Lids.
As for BB - he wanted big $$$ but the club knew he knee was dodgy and his best years behind him. Couldn't agree on a contract so they parted ways and he's not really being paid more at Dees either.
-
Jon Ralph and Sam Landsberger in the HeraldSun's live trade chat yesterday suggested that we could get pick 20 in a deal for CCJ.
That's different from the usual chatter on social media which only see us getting pick 38 or 38+Tarrant or even lose CCJ for nothing in the PSD.
-
He should also be thinking of norf shoving BB out the door. Not a great way to treat your players. Add that to them low balling and disrespecting Tarrant.
Not sure where his heads at but he's making the wrong call.
How are the disrespecting Tarrant? He's 32. They obviously were never going to pay him much, and I believe he has left to chase success in his twilight like Lids.
As for BB - he wanted big $$$ but the club knew he knee was dodgy and his best years behind him. Couldn't agree on a contract so they parted ways and he's not really being paid more at Dees either.
Offered one year at low odds, then only offered 2 when they realised another club was interested.
-
He should also be thinking of norf shoving BB out the door. Not a great way to treat your players. Add that to them low balling and disrespecting Tarrant.
Not sure where his heads at but he's making the wrong call.
How are the disrespecting Tarrant? He's 32. They obviously were never going to pay him much, and I believe he has left to chase success in his twilight like Lids.
As for BB - he wanted big $$$ but the club knew he knee was dodgy and his best years behind him. Couldn't agree on a contract so they parted ways and he's not really being paid more at Dees either.
Offered one year at low odds, then only offered 2 when they realised another club was interested.
That's just business as usual for most clubs
-
He should also be thinking of norf shoving BB out the door. Not a great way to treat your players. Add that to them low balling and disrespecting Tarrant.
Not sure where his heads at but he's making the wrong call.
How are the disrespecting Tarrant? He's 32. They obviously were never going to pay him much, and I believe he has left to chase success in his twilight like Lids.
As for BB - he wanted big $$$ but the club knew he knee was dodgy and his best years behind him. Couldn't agree on a contract so they parted ways and he's not really being paid more at Dees either.
Offered one year at low odds, then only offered 2 when they realised another club was interested.
That's just business as usual for most clubs
Not really when your rebuilding and you loose your loyal fullback and then recruit Lynch from crows makes no sense.
-
Not really when your rebuilding and you loose your loyal fullback and then recruit Lynch from crows makes no sense.
When was the last time we offered a 32yo a 2 year contract?
He left to have a go at a flag..not because he got his knickers in a knot over a 1 year deal when we were offering 2.
-
:lol
-
Not really when your rebuilding and you loose your loyal fullback and then recruit Lynch from crows makes no sense.
When was the last time we offered a 32yo a 2 year contract?
He left to have a go at a flag..not because he got his knickers in a knot over a 1 year deal when we were offering 2.
If a player is playing good footy 2 year deal is nothing at that age especially the calibre of player like Tarrant. If you think it wasn't to do with the security of the deal and $$ and yes chasing a flag to think again.
-
Not really when your rebuilding and you loose your loyal fullback and then recruit Lynch from crows makes no sense.
When was the last time we offered a 32yo a 2 year contract?
He left to have a go at a flag..not because he got his knickers in a knot over a 1 year deal when we were offering 2.
If a player is playing good footy 2 year deal is nothing at that age especially the calibre of player like Tarrant. If you think it wasn't to do with the security of the deal and $$ and yes chasing a flag to think again.
You didn't answer my question. It's very normal for every single club in the AFL essentially to be offering year by year contracts at 32+. The second year is a rival's move to get you to change team.
North upped their offer by another year too.
So how much more are we paying him than they were prepared to? I wouldn't think much at all. Our cap is tight enough and due to get tighter with Dusty and Lynch coming into their pay days.
I would generally argue the opposite of you - which is to say that any player in the twilight would probably consider a move for a chance at success. Lids for example. Lake another good one.
-
The more i put myself in the opposition shoes the more id be taking him in the psd.
The bottom line for me is he has played just 9 games in 4 years just 1 in his first three. Apart from one 4 goal game which atm is a bit of an outlier he has not done a whole heap. North are not imo taking him on performance but more on potential that may or may not come to fruition.
The main reason NM are going after him is because he is OOC and they dont have to pay thru the nose to get him.
In our situation if we really want pick 20 and we want some good compensation it will come down to us to offer something up to North for their pick 20 because as sure as all our arses point to the ground CC-J to NM is likely a free agency pick
Reckon we will have to do something like this to get #20.
CC-J 26 44 for Tarrant 20, and 69. Remember the way its going we may not even use pick 44 in the draft.
Finally to finish if they offered pick 38 id take it in a heart beat because it could help us get pick 17 out of the dogs and could even help get Collingwoods 2022 first round pick if we go down that path.
No one in the league is giving up a top 20 pick for CC-J based on what he has done to date. I also think clubs run the risk of him being a bit of both that is reasonable ruck option and reasonable fwd option but not great at either.
Also why go mad at CC-J. The reality is we have played both Riewoldt and Lynch in front of him as a fwd and rightly so. to date he is miles behind both them and the question is can he get close to them?? 4 yrs in i really have my doubts on that question. To date he is not playing in front of either.
He now has Nankervis and a returning Soldo in front of him as a ruckman and to date in this role he is so far far behind the two it aint funny.
Its in this role though that i think he has the best chance of becoming a good player.
This smells a bit like the Houli to us in the psd although Houli had done way more than CCJ.
Also the Shaun Grigg trade where we had the option of him in the psd but ended up trading Andrew Collins as a token gesture.
People are crazy if they think NM in this situation have an obligation to help us out they don't their only priority is to do the best possible thing for themselves.
-
Some folks just don't get it. North don't control this trade. CCJ and his manager are the ones who'll decide what compensation needs to be paid.
-
The more i put myself in the opposition shoes the more id be taking him in the psd.
The bottom line for me is he has played just 9 games in 4 years just 1 in his first three. Apart from one 4 goal game which atm is a bit of an outlier he has not done a whole heap. North are not imo taking him on performance but more on potential that may or may not come to fruition.
The main reason NM are going after him is because he is OOC and they dont have to pay thru the nose to get him.
In our situation if we really want pick 20 and we want some good compensation it will come down to us to offer something up to North for their pick 20 because as sure as all our arses point to the ground CC-J to NM is likely a free agency pick
Reckon we will have to do something like this to get #20.
CC-J 26 44 for Tarrant 20, and 69. Remember the way its going we may not even use pick 44 in the draft.
Finally to finish if they offered pick 38 id take it in a heart beat because it could help us get pick 17 out of the dogs and could even help get Collingwoods 2022 first round pick if we go down that path.
No one in the league is giving up a top 20 pick for CC-J based on what he has done to date. I also think clubs run the risk of him being a bit of both that is reasonable ruck option and reasonable fwd option but not great at either.
Also why go mad at CC-J. The reality is we have played both Riewoldt and Lynch in front of him as a fwd and rightly so. to date he is miles behind both them and the question is can he get close to them?? 4 yrs in i really have my doubts on that question. To date he is not playing in front of either.
He now has Nankervis and a returning Soldo in front of him as a ruckman and to date in this role he is so far far behind the two it aint funny.
Its in this role though that i think he has the best chance of becoming a good player.
This smells a bit like the Houli to us in the psd although Houli had done way more than CCJ.
Also the Shaun Grigg trade where we had the option of him in the psd but ended up trading Andrew Collins as a token gesture.
People are crazy if they think NM in this situation have an obligation to help us out they don't their only priority is to do the best possible thing for themselves.
Leading candidate for dumbest post of the year?
-
The more i put myself in the opposition shoes the more id be taking him in the psd.
The bottom line for me is he has played just 9 games in 4 years just 1 in his first three. Apart from one 4 goal game which atm is a bit of an outlier he has not done a whole heap. North are not imo taking him on performance but more on potential that may or may not come to fruition.
The main reason NM are going after him is because he is OOC and they dont have to pay thru the nose to get him.
In our situation if we really want pick 20 and we want some good compensation it will come down to us to offer something up to North for their pick 20 because as sure as all our arses point to the ground CC-J to NM is likely a free agency pick
Reckon we will have to do something like this to get #20.
CC-J 26 44 for Tarrant 20, and 69. Remember the way its going we may not even use pick 44 in the draft.
Finally to finish if they offered pick 38 id take it in a heart beat because it could help us get pick 17 out of the dogs and could even help get Collingwoods 2022 first round pick if we go down that path.
No one in the league is giving up a top 20 pick for CC-J based on what he has done to date. I also think clubs run the risk of him being a bit of both that is reasonable ruck option and reasonable fwd option but not great at either.
Also why go mad at CC-J. The reality is we have played both Riewoldt and Lynch in front of him as a fwd and rightly so. to date he is miles behind both them and the question is can he get close to them?? 4 yrs in i really have my doubts on that question. To date he is not playing in front of either.
He now has Nankervis and a returning Soldo in front of him as a ruckman and to date in this role he is so far far behind the two it aint funny.
Its in this role though that i think he has the best chance of becoming a good player.
This smells a bit like the Houli to us in the psd although Houli had done way more than CCJ.
Also the Shaun Grigg trade where we had the option of him in the psd but ended up trading Andrew Collins as a token gesture.
People are crazy if they think NM in this situation have an obligation to help us out they don't their only priority is to do the best possible thing for themselves.
Leading candidate for dumbest post of the year?
Lol some just cannot handle the truth.
I can just see it now if the roles were reversed you would be screaming we take him in the psd.
The reality is we are not going to get a whole heap for ccj regardless of how low or high people rate him.
Opposition clubs are not in the business of giving opposition clubs a leg up and neither are we.
We will take our medicine and down the track when its our turn to have a win we will grasp the opportunity with both hands its what happens.
They have pick 1, 20, 38, and 69 thats just 4 picks put yourself in their shoes your not trading out of the first three picks and fmd you are hanging onto the first two at all costs they DONT have to do anything to get CC-J THATS THE REALITY but hey you continue to bathe in ga ga land and pretend we have some sort of strong hand in all this. Talk about wishful thinking and not letting the facts get in the way of a good story.
What you need to realise is they have all the aces and have no obligation to help us in anyway.
-
Leading candidate for dumbest post of the year?
[/quote]
Knighted it is an opinion, no need to be denigrating.
-
Some folks just don't get it. North don't control this trade. CCJ and his manager are the ones who'll decide what compensation needs to be paid.
LOL it must be so great to be so deluded smelling the roses all day long.
-
Claws on the money unfortunately.
The only scenario we get anything for him is if North have a better player in mind for PSD pick which would cost them more than to get CCJ.
Or if CCJ said I don't want to go in PSD Is prefer to be traded.
I can't see anything occuring in all honesty. Maybe in good faith North will do straight swap Tarrant for CCJ to ensure we get compo for Chol.
I'd be annoyed if I was NM supporter and didn't take advantage of PSD here.
-
CCJ could still have a Tom Lynch ahead of him even if he moves to North :shh.
"I personally think playing [Adelaide's] Tom Lynch robs Callum Coleman-Jones or Charlie Comben of 22 games."
- Mitch Cleary on Lynch's potential move to North Melbourne
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1442323890097700870
-
The problem is neither CCj or his manager have come out and said he is 100% gone so there is hope yet I don't think is done by a far way unless we agree to the deal.
-
Trade Radio inferring the toys have been thrown out of the cot at Richmond. Inferring some sort of refusal to trade CCJ 😂
Richmond have told North it must be a 1st round draft pick or he won't be traded. CCJ management confirmed they do not want to go to the PSD.
Pick 20 won't get it done.
CCJ happy to go to GC (which has pick 3 on the table in return for CCJ and a later pick) if #lolNorf can't find a suitable pick for him.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/callum-coleman-jones.1226295/post-72368321
-
Trade Radio inferring the toys have been thrown out of the cot at Richmond. Inferring some sort of refusal to trade CCJ 😂
Richmond have told North it must be a 1st round draft pick or he won't be traded. CCJ management confirmed they do not want to go to the PSD.
Pick 20 won't get it done.
CCJ happy to go to GC (which has pick 3 on the table in return for CCJ and a later pick) if #lolNorf can't find a suitable pick for him.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/callum-coleman-jones.1226295/post-72368321
That would be nice haha.
But I doubt it.
-
Claws on the money unfortunately.
The only scenario we get anything for him is if North have a better player in mind for PSD pick which would cost them more than to get CCJ.
Or if CCJ said I don't want to go in PSD Is prefer to be traded.
I can't see anything occuring in all honesty. Maybe in good faith North will do straight swap Tarrant for CCJ to ensure we get compo for Chol.
I'd be annoyed if I was NM supporter and didn't take advantage of PSD here.
Claw is clueless as usual
-
Claws on the money unfortunately.
The only scenario we get anything for him is if North have a better player in mind for PSD pick which would cost them more than to get CCJ.
Or if CCJ said I don't want to go in PSD Is prefer to be traded.
I can't see anything occuring in all honesty. Maybe in good faith North will do straight swap Tarrant for CCJ to ensure we get compo for Chol.
I'd be annoyed if I was NM supporter and didn't take advantage of PSD here.
Claw is clueless as usual
As opposed to being totally deluded like your good self. Im happy to turn it into a slanging match if you want to keep on making it personal. But hey thats what happens with people who have nfi they make it personal.
Its simple you want to address what has been said and debate the two views go ahead, but you wont because that will make you look foolish. Why you worry about things like that is beyond me you look foolish all the time with the dribble that comes out of your mouth.
Its a simple truism NM have pick one in the psd if terms cannot be met and that is terms that NM can agree to they will take CCJ in the psd. Mate a 10 yr old can understand that a ten year old can comprehend who has the upper hand but apparently not some feral who goes about a debate by attacking people.
Please has anyone around here got a 10 year old i can talk to so i can get a bit common sense into this debate.
-
Claws on the money unfortunately.
The only scenario we get anything for him is if North have a better player in mind for PSD pick which would cost them more than to get CCJ.
Or if CCJ said I don't want to go in PSD Is prefer to be traded.
I can't see anything occuring in all honesty. Maybe in good faith North will do straight swap Tarrant for CCJ to ensure we get compo for Chol.
I'd be annoyed if I was NM supporter and didn't take advantage of PSD here.
Claw is clueless as usual
Mate what are you on about?
Claw is right and I've been saying the same for a few pages.
North don't owe us crap. We'd be lucky to get pick 38 since we have no bargaining power unless another club makes him an offer he is prepared to take.
-
Did I miss that CCJ and his manager do not want to go to the PSD and he is happy to go to the Gold Coast on the same conditions and money?
I hope Richmond offer him similar and commit to him as first choice ruck / forward and he stays, haven’t seen or heard anything to say he is defiantly not open to a counter offer.
Who knows how this going to work out but I bet it’s not the way we think it will
-
As usual, whatever happens will happen.
We can all debate it until we are blue in the face.
This, however is the formula:
If he stays he will be crap
If he goes he will be crap
Either way we get nothing.
Happy to be proven wrong.
-
Who's assuming he and his manager want to go to the psd ? No confirmation off that so I think hold back until there intention is clear.
-
Snip! Discuss the topic and differences in opinion without the personal insults ppl.
-
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAV43uXVgAg40h9?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1442679419005390853
-
Claws on the money unfortunately.
The only scenario we get anything for him is if North have a better player in mind for PSD pick which would cost them more than to get CCJ.
Or if CCJ said I don't want to go in PSD Is prefer to be traded.
I can't see anything occuring in all honesty. Maybe in good faith North will do straight swap Tarrant for CCJ to ensure we get compo for Chol.
I'd be annoyed if I was NM supporter and didn't take advantage of PSD here.
Claw is clueless as usual
Mate what are you on about?
Claw is right and I've been saying the same for a few pages.
North don't owe us crap. We'd be lucky to get pick 38 since we have no bargaining power unless another club makes him an offer he is prepared to take.
Last time I looked there’s a few clubs who need a ruck/forward - not just the Roos.
And, as the laws of supply and demand dictate, lack of supply will drive the price up
-
Last time I looked there’s a few clubs who need a ruck/forward - not just the Roos.
And, as the laws of supply and demand dictate, lack of supply will drive the price up
Empty comments. Unless another club convinces CCJ it's worth his time to look elsewhere then we are stuffed.
Honestly though you would think there are other clubs keen. Dons, Dogs, Cats, GC, GWS. All of them should be asking the question.
I hear the new noise about GC but for now he has told the club he wants North and nobody else to my knowledge has made him an offer that he likes.
-
Where still in September mate. It’s 3 weeks away from even getting warmed up….
-
Lol, I trying to working out why CCJ would have this great loyalty to the North Melbourne? Wouldn’t he want the best deal , the one that gets the best dollars, longest term, regular ruck spot and a chance to play finals. Like someone said there are a lot of clubs looking for ruckman and the trade 😱negotiations don’t start for weeks😱
-
Lol, I trying to working out why CCJ would have this great loyalty to the North Melbourne? Wouldn’t he want the best deal , the one that gets the best dollars, longest term, regular ruck spot and a chance to play finals. Like someone said there are a lot of clubs looking for ruckman and the trade 😱negotiations don’t start for weeks😱
Yes and for that reason he is loyal to north Melbourne. His agent didn’t only just start taking calls a couple weeks ago, they would have sounded out other clubs offers long ago and NM are giving him the best deal length and money wise.
-
And if another club gives a better offer?
-
Lol, I trying to working out why CCJ would have this great loyalty to the North Melbourne? Wouldn’t he want the best deal , the one that gets the best dollars, longest term, regular ruck spot and a chance to play finals. Like someone said there are a lot of clubs looking for ruckman and the trade 😱negotiations don’t start for weeks😱
Are you suggesting other clubs aren't asking the question until the trade period starts? You'd be a terrible list manager haha. You've clearly not paid any attention to the last 20 odd pages.
CCJ has said he either wants to stay in Melb or move back to SA. No SA club has made him an offer I believe.
North offering 4 years at around $450,000, which is already ludicrous, with ruck duties looming after Goldy retirement. Even the 401k fund GCS would be reluctant to offer that sort of money but they would have to above North to get his interest since he has basically ruled out a move to QLD or NSW.
-
Some people only read the articles that support their argument and not other articles and quotes from the club that say the opposite . To suggest that things can’t change and that a negotiation will turn out the way the media or how we think it will is interesting.
I’m suggesting other clubs will keep asking and that you are guessing how it will turn out.
The club are not saying that they will surrender and take the lowest offer but maybe we know better than the club.
-
I've made my opinion on it very clear.
Unless another VIC or SA club has a real go, or a NSW/QLD club makes a huge offer, we are over a barrel if we have to deal with North.
-
"I can't see them winning the Callum Coleman-Jones trade, with the leverage North Melbourne have got.
- Sam Edmund on Richmond
"I don't think Richmond are in a position to be playing hard ball with Callum Coleman-Jones, North Melbourne can just get him at the pre-season draft."
- Adam Cooney
https://twitter.com/traderadio
-
We will screw them in the future they know that.
-
Opinions are like AH’s , end of the day everyone has one and they are not facts.
No reason we can’t do a deal ( picks /players) with another club if all are agreeable.
If it’s only pick 38 (40+)let him walk to the PSD , and target in on their kids / better players.
-
"I can't see them winning the Callum Coleman-Jones trade, with the leverage North Melbourne have got.
- Sam Edmund on Richmond
"I don't think Richmond are in a position to be playing hard ball with Callum Coleman-Jones, North Melbourne can just get him at the pre-season draft."
- Adam Cooney
https://twitter.com/traderadio
These guys are halfwits. If norf elect to take him in the Preseason draft he can't train with them until the start of December. For a new player trying to fit in and learn the game plan its not going to work. The coach will insist he is there on Day 1.
-
When your only suitor is the bottom side then it doesn't say much for you ...
If we can trade him to another side for anything, then we should take it & run! :whistle
-
"I can't see them winning the Callum Coleman-Jones trade, with the leverage North Melbourne have got.
- Sam Edmund on Richmond
"I don't think Richmond are in a position to be playing hard ball with Callum Coleman-Jones, North Melbourne can just get him at the pre-season draft."
- Adam Cooney
https://twitter.com/traderadio
These guys are halfwits. If norf elect to take him in the Preseason draft he can't train with them until the start of December. For a new player trying to fit in and learn the game plan its not going to work. The coach will insist he is there on Day 1.
Doubt they care if he comes a few weeks early or late. It's a 4 year deal on offer.
When your only suitor is the bottom side then it doesn't say much for you ...
If we can trade him to another side for anything, then we should take it & run! :whistle
If the player is agreeable to said trade.
-
I wouldn't be at all surprised if this takes a few twists and turns before the dust settles
While I understand that N0rt can get him for free in the PSD
I'd still be sitting back and making this drag on to the last hour of the trade period....
Facilitating an early trade to appease this young bloke and his manager shouldn't be our priority... CCJ can wait, N0rt can wait and his manager can certainly wait
-
Just out of interest who is his manager?
-
Andyy.....:shh
-
Andyy.....:shh
Yep.
I don't rate him.
It's all a plot to keep Norf where they belong :D
-
I wouldn't be at all surprised if this takes a few twists and turns before the dust settles
While I understand that N0rt can get him for free in the PSD
I'd still be sitting back and making this drag on to the last hour of the trade period....
Facilitating an early trade to appease this young bloke and his manager shouldn't be our priority... CCJ can wait, N0rt can wait and his manager can certainly wait
Agree - Stuff Norf
-
Need another club to get involved late
-
Gold Coast is what we need here.
-
Free Agency: Why Tigers will play ball in CCJ trade
Initially it looked as if Richmond would play hard-ball on any deal ending with Coleman-Jones at Arden St - that has changed as compensation picks have entered the conversation.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-free-agency-2021-latest-news-and-updates/news-story/f90412e2b933d0db32827166fa4c9b19
-
More pressing for [North Melbourne] is its pursuit of Richmond big man Callum Coleman-Jones. It is hoped a trade deal can be reached with the Tigers, although that might wait until various free agency compensations are determined by the AFL.
But Kangaroos list manager, Glenn Luff said the club won’t be using its second selection, pick 20, to bring the 200cm ruck/forward to Arden Street. Instead, they hope pick No.38 will be sufficient to get the deal done.
"Something around that. That’s what history tells you gets those deals done," he said.
There is also the option of the pre-season draft, if the clubs cannot agree, but when asked whether North would consider that, Luff said, "We wouldn’t want to use that get him through the door."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/682736/roos-fielding-calls-for-top-pick-but-would-need-a-monster-offer
-
NORTH MELBOURNE CONFIRMS PLANS FOR COLEMAN-JONES
By Seb Mottram
SEN
1 October 2021
North Melbourne list manager Glenn Luff has described how the Roos will look to secure Callum Coleman-Jones from Richmond and where they plan to play the key position prospect.
The tall Tiger is highly rated in AFL circles despite playing just nine senior games and has looked to move clubs due to a lack of opportunity at Richmond, reportedly solely keen on North Melbourne.
He’s been stuck behind Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt in the forward line, while the returning Toby Nankervis and Ivan Soldo will hold down the ruck positions at the club in 2022.
Luff confirmed North Melbourne are looking to do a deal early in the trade period for the 22-year-old and that their pick 20 will likely not be used.
The Roos hold picks 1, 20, 38 and 69 in the upcoming AFL draft.
“We’ve had some early discussions with the Tigers, we’ll put something to them pretty early in the trade period I would have thought,” Luff told AFL Trade Radio’s Trade Exchange.
“What happens with Robbie Tarrant will have an effect on that, (but) we’re pretty clear in our head what it would take, there’s plenty of history in terms of rucks and ruck forwards and what they go for at that age, so we’ll put something to the Tigers early and see how we go.
“We’re keen to keep pick 20, (pick) 38 or something around that region, that’s what history tells you will get this deal done, so we’ll be looking in that area.
“We don’t want to use (the pre-season draft) to get him through the door, but we’re pretty comfortable something should get done.”
Luff also revealed the club’s plans for when Coleman-Jones walks through the doors of Arden Street.
The young Tiger was rumoured to prefer to play as a hybrid ruck, the Roos confirming they see him as Todd Goldstein's heir.
“It’s pretty clear that (senior coach David Noble) is a two-ruck coach, he loves playing the two rucks,” Luff said.
“Clearly we’ve got Todd Goldstein who’s been a great player for us for a long time, but we had to look at the long term for our ruck stocks.
“We feel Callum is more of a ruck-forward than a forward-ruck, he probably hasn’t got that opportunity at the Tigers and he was keen to get more opportunity in the ruck and we think we can provide that.
“Goldstein played a lot more forward last year and it’s clear that he can do that, in the short term they can share the ruck duties and long term we think Callum is a really good option in the ruck.”
Goldstein will turn 34 during next year’s AFL season and is certainly in the twilight of his career, meaning Coleman-Jones’ biggest competition in the future will be other Roos ruckman Tristan Xerri.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10/01/north-melbourne-confirms-plans-for-coleman-jones/
-
The rucks he mentioned what they go for a not 22 year olds and ready to play 22 games or former first round picks.
-
Or that big blokes take years to develop and he’s at at stage that Luff and Noble expect him to play first ruck for the full season next year but don’t even want to cough up cost price
-
Reckon we get 20. Happy if he goes to PSD. Not losing much really.
Be strong tigers.
-
Yep wrap in Tarrant but might have to give them pick 38
-
Reckon we get 20. Happy if he goes to PSD. Not losing much really.
Be strong tigers.
So do I. Luff sounded like a tool with no idea. Hartley will run rings around him.
-
I think it will be both a player swap and a pick swap. CCJ for Tarrant and we will go up the picking order a little.
-
Wonder if North trying to get pick 19 off the Suns is a sign they would be willing to give up pick 20 for CCJ as they would then still have an early 2nd rounder for the draft?
-
I think it will be both a player swap and a pick swap. CCJ for Tarrant and we will go up the picking order a little.
I agree with this.
Maybe CCJ + 46 for Tarrant and 39 or some crap.
-
Lol, Is that you Glen Luff
-
If Chol at age 24 is worth pick 38 then CCJ at 22 is worth more than that.
-
I think it will be both a player swap and a pick swap. CCJ for Tarrant and we will go up the picking order a little.
I agree with this.
Maybe CCJ + 46 for Tarrant and 39 or some crap.
FMD you're either
You're the fool who clearly can't see that we have minimal leverage sith a trade to North unless another club convinces him to look elsewhere.
-
I think it will be both a player swap and a pick swap. CCJ for Tarrant and we will go up the picking order a little.
I agree with this.
Maybe CCJ + 46 for Tarrant and 39 or some crap.
FMD
You're the fool who clearly can't see that we have minimal leverage sith a trade to North unless another club convinces him to look elsewhere.
I mean I did agree with your sentiment but then their footy boss pretty much said they were hoping to get it done for pick 38.
-
I think it will be both a player swap and a pick swap. CCJ for Tarrant and we will go up the picking order a little.
I agree with this.
Maybe CCJ + 46 for Tarrant and 39 or some crap.
FMD
You're the fool who clearly can't see that we have minimal leverage sith a trade to North unless another club convinces him to look elsewhere.
I mean I did agree with your sentiment but then their footy boss pretty much said they were hoping to get it done for pick 38.
If we get Tarrant and 39 for CCJ we should take it and run.
If he said that then great. Sorry, been busy all day telling my 35 nursing staff they'll be in covid units probably starting from Monday. Footy took a back seat.
-
You must joking , why would Richmonds starting position be to take pick 39 , that is Norths starting position, obviously some people have no idea how negotiations take place. Dimma was hinting at North’s 1st pick.
If you take a balanced view that won’t happen and either will pick 40 plus( after father sons and academies)
Glen Luff said the don’t want to go to the PSD and would like to wrap the negotiations early, which I would consider they have other targets for the PSD and that Luff knows the value of a 4 year developing ruck forward that was previously a pick 20.
As previously mentioned if Chol is worth pick 38 why would CCJ be worth 39
Thank goodness we have good negotiators at Richmond who who won’t listen to the noise and will aim for a fair deal
-
The difference with chol being “worth” pick 38 is that it isn’t actually a pick a club used to get him. It was gifted to us by the AFL with some mumbo jumbo free agency secret formula. That’s the beauty of free agency for clubs, you don’t have to give up anything to get the player.
-
You must joking , why would Richmonds starting position be to take pick 39 , that is Norths starting position, obviously some people have no idea how negotiations take place. Dimma was hinting at North’s 1st pick.
If you take a balanced view that won’t happen and either will pick 40 plus( after father sons and academies)
Glen Luff said the don’t want to go to the PSD and would like to wrap the negotiations early, which I would consider they have other targets for the PSD and that Luff knows the value of a 4 year developing ruck forward that was previously a pick 20.
As previously mentioned if Chol is worth pick 38 why would CCJ be worth 39
Thank goodness we have good negotiators at Richmond who who won’t listen to the noise and will aim for a fair deal
Need to hope they come to a deal then. I don't think they'll pay 20.
Maybe they'll try to trade something else in to give us but the PSD is rarely used these days for anything really so I doubt there's someone else they want and it will always be their backup to get CCJ.
Anyway time will tell.
-
You must joking , why would Richmonds starting position be to take pick 39 , that is Norths starting position, obviously some people have no idea how negotiations take place. Dimma was hinting at North’s 1st pick.
If you take a balanced view that won’t happen and either will pick 40 plus( after father sons and academies)
Glen Luff said the don’t want to go to the PSD and would like to wrap the negotiations early, which I would consider they have other targets for the PSD and that Luff knows the value of a 4 year developing ruck forward that was previously a pick 20.
As previously mentioned if Chol is worth pick 38 why would CCJ be worth 39
Thank goodness we have good negotiators at Richmond who who won’t listen to the noise and will aim for a fair deal
Thank you Camboon. This makes sense. This will most likely be like a house auction where others are cooling their jets and waiting to see lay of the land before throwing their hat in the ring.
If Mabs is worth an end of 2nd round pick, CCJ is easily worth a start of 2nd round. We obviously need more than 1 interested club but he’s credentials are there for everyone to see - an emerging ruck/forward going into his 5th year after 4 years in a system that’s delivered 3 flags in the past 4 seasons appears unlikely to attract only a first home buyer. It’s worst house, best street in Toorak!
-
I'm not were the best negotiators out there lately.
Gave Butler away way unders.
Same with Higgins.
-
Agree our negotiators weren't great
Mind you Butler and Higgins were done with the benefit of freeing up cap space I believe.
-
I'm not were the best negotiators out there lately.
Gave Butler away way unders.
Same with Higgins.
Higgins wasn't unders if I recall what was the deal.
-
I'm not were the best negotiators out there lately.
Gave Butler away way unders.
Same with Higgins.
Higgins wasn't unders if I recall what was the deal.
Pick swap of first plus a second. Should have been a first rounder only in my opinion. He's a very good player and young.
-
If norf get 19 off suns hopefully we're aiming to get their 20.
-
I'm not were the best negotiators out there lately.
Gave Butler away way unders.
Same with Higgins.
Higgins wasn't unders if I recall what was the deal.
Pick swap of first plus a second. Should have been a first rounder only in my opinion. He's a very good player and young.
Their second rounder is pick 26 and the Cats first rounder is 15.
It’s not bad.
-
I'm not were the best negotiators out there lately.
Gave Butler away way unders.
Same with Higgins.
Higgins wasn't unders if I recall what was the deal.
Pick swap of first plus a second. Should have been a first rounder only in my opinion. He's a very good player and young.
Their second rounder is pick 26 and the Cats first rounder is 15.
It’s not bad.
Is this the year we get the Cats first rounder or is that already factored in??
-
I'm not were the best negotiators out there lately.
Gave Butler away way unders.
Same with Higgins.
Higgins wasn't unders if I recall what was the deal.
Pick swap of first plus a second. Should have been a first rounder only in my opinion. He's a very good player and young.
Their second rounder is pick 26 and the Cats first rounder is 15.
It’s not bad.
Is this the year we get the Cats first rounder or is that already factored in??
We swapped first rounders with Saints, went from 21 to 17 which was on traded to Cats for their first rounder which is now 15 which will end up being 17.
-
Apparently in a better draft HRT. Was a gamble but I reckon we have broken even maybe with the cats trade. We banked on them dropping off which they didn't yet.
I think Higgins is a B grade player myself. Significant flaws but still not sure if we traded him too cheap or about right. Probably too cheap...
-
CCJ will get his trade to North this week.
Likely to get pick 40 in return.
Source: 7news.
-
I'd like us to work on a pick swap also for their 20.
20 & 40 for 26 & CCJ.
-
I'd like us to work on a pick swap also for their 20.
20 & 40 for 26 & CCJ.
Not bad. Upgrade 26 plus get the extra 3rd round pick to get Bulldogs 17 and keep 28
-
Tarrant + 40 for CCJ will do. Assuming north not likely to get much FA compo for him.
-
Let see if Richmond roll over , as you and the Media have been campaigning for
-
Let see if Richmond roll over , as you and the Media have been campaigning for
What are you on about? Only campaigner here is you, being a jerk.
I'm calling it as I see it which is clearly lost on your empty head. Unless another club tickles his fancy we have no leverage at all.
Get a life
Andy that is plain nasty and not what they s forum is about, perhaps you should take a step back and look at your comments
-
If you can show me an article where Richmond says it will roll over and take under’s then i would accept it, so far all I’ve seen is the media’s campaign to under value CCJ and it looks like you have jumped on board that North Melbourne media band wagon .
-
If you can show me an article where Richmond says it will roll over and take under’s then i would accept it, so far all I’ve seen is the media’s campaign to under value CCJ and it looks like you have jumped on board that North Melbourne media band wagon .
Camboon, I apologise for my prior comment.
I have said repeatedly that I don't see our position as strong and that we will need to accept unders unless another club gives CCJ an offer he likes. He has said he wants to go to North so we are trading an uncontacted player with the #1 PSD team. Weak position.
-
Dunno why people are getting so heated in this thread. Everyone would love for us to get the best possible pick back that we can some just think we are in a stronger battering position than others.
Everyone settle down and let’s see what happens. Fingers crossed for pick 1 :lol
-
Few angry boys in here.
Sad
-
Tom Morris reports...
North Melbourne’s initial offer for Darcy Macpherson is unlikely to be enough to pry him out of Gold Coast.
Sources believe MacPherson is still a strong chance to stay unless the Roos re-evaluate how much they are willing to pay.
Gold Coast would send Pick 19 and Macpherson to Arden Street and get some late draft selections back in return.
Armed with Pick 19 and Pick 20, Richmond hope one of those selections would then go to Punt Road for Callum Coleman-Jones.
The Tigers and Roos remain a long way apart in their negotiations for the key forward, with sources confirming Richmond are agitated at North’s tactics of luring a player on a long-term deal on good money but refusing to part with Pick 20.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-4-free-agency-trade-period-opens-news/news-story/2113809216fecb413ae18915cf381c52
-
Richmond and North Melbourne still sit a fair way apart on a deal that would see Callum Coleman-Jones walk through the doors at Arden Street.
The two clubs kicked off official negotiations as the trade period got underway, with the Tigers knocking back the first offer from the Kangaroos.
The Herald Sun is reporting that the Tigers weren't thrilled with the original offer of North Melbourne. The Kangaroos are set on keeping their pick 20, with their next selection coming at pick 38.
However, Richmond is keen on that pick 20 given that is the selection they used to recruit Coleman-Jones four years ago.
The Kangaroos hold the whip-hand in these discussions with the looming threat of walking Coleman-Jones to the pre-season draft hanging over negotiations.
https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-trade-news-richmond-push-back-on-modest-coleman-jones-offer-91958/
-
Q: I realise Richmond starting off negotiations playing hardball re CCJ and wanting pick 19/20 but surely North has the upper hand with him being able to walk to the PSD and if they don't trade Tarrant Richmond miss out on Chol comp. What do you think gets it done in the end? CCJ and a late pick for Tarrant and pick 40(ish) a fair trade? less
Max Loughton: I think any trade where the Tigers' main return for CCJ is 40 is a win to the Roos. But yes, North has the leverage.
Q: Surely pick 20 for coleman-jones max? if he's worth the big money for north he's worth the pick yeah?
Max Loughton: Well it's definitely closer to 20 than 40, but North has the leverage, so I can't see them just giving that pick up easily.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-4-free-agency-trade-period-opens-news/news-story/2113809216fecb413ae18915cf381c52
-
North, Richmond debate worth of Coleman-Jones
By Michael Gleeson
The Age
4 Oct 2021 3:15pm
North Melbourne has offered a slide of draft picks in the late rounds next year in an ambit opening bid for Richmond’s ruck forward Callum Coleman-Jones.
North has offered their third round pick next year for Coleman-Jones but want Richmond’s fourth round pick back in return in the deal for the player.
The Tigers and North are a long way apart in early discussions as Richmond wants the Roos’ pick 20 for the big man who has been offered a four-year deal to move to Arden Street.
Coleman-Jones was drafted with pick 20 four years ago.
Richmond was frustrated and disappointed at the player’s decision to leave in the first instance believing opportunities would begin to open up in the Tigers senior team next season and beyond.
They also feel the player had been well supported by the club after his COVID breach at a Gold Coast strip joint and fight outside a kebab bar along with teammate Sydney Stack cost the club $100,000 in the salary cap and saw the players suspended at length.
North holds the first pick in the pre-season draft but it is unlikely the player or his management is keen to use this avenue to move.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-live-updates-day-1-player-movement-begins-as-all-eyes-go-to-carlton-cerra-20211003-p58wvg.html
-
Let him walk for that deal.
-
Agree find it strange no comment from his manager or himself I reckon club is dirty on him.
-
Only the first day of negotiations. Plenty more to play out here.
-
Q: What will Richmond get for Jones Callum Coleman jones
Max Loughton: Real James Bond areas with your question here... something in the 20s I expect
Q: If North can get Pick 19 from GCS, I'm thinking Pick 20 & 40 for CCJ & 26 or 28 seems pretty fair. Rates CCJ around Pick 29-31. Think that would be realistic?
Max Loughton: Yeah that sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Q: CCJ and Richmond's future second rounder for 38 and North's future second rounder?
Max Loughton: Seems around the mark to me?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-4-free-agency-trade-period-opens-news/news-story/2113809216fecb413ae18915cf381c52
-
Get stuffed. I'd rather have him walk to the PSD than let Norf bend us over
-
Love the way the Swans have come out and been very firm about what they expect for Jordan Dawson and they won't be accepting pick 23.
I wish we would come out with something similar with CCJ. If we believe he's worth 20 then stand our grand.
-
Get stuffed. I'd rather have him walk to the PSD than let Norf bend us over
Agree. Let him walk to the PSD like a dog if necessary.
Pick 40 is a joke.
-
Roos make opening bid for tall Tiger
Callum Twomey & Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
4 October 2021
NORTH Melbourne has made its first move to land Richmond's Callum Coleman-Jones, offering the Tigers a future third-round pick for the tall forward.
The pick would fall around the No.40 mark in next year's NAB AFL Draft if the Roos finish around the bottom-four after their wooden spoon campaign in 2021.
The Tigers will want more for the 22-year-old key forward/ruck given their investment and belief in him however the Roos are likely to use the leverage of the pre-season draft, where they hold the first selection.
North's list manager Glenn Luff last week told Trade Radio that the Roos' pick 20 was not going to form part of the deal for Coleman-Jones
https://www.afl.com.au/news/682938/roos-make-opening-bid-for-tall-tiger-cats-knock-back-freo-s-clark-offer
-
Stuff off to Tassie Norf you impoverished dirtbags.
-
#lolnorf can GAGF’d the campaigners - they can wither on the stuffen vine when we refuse to pay them a cent in equalisation
-
Yep, tell Norf & CCJ to stuff off, cop the loss and store it in the memory bank....#bestservedcold :shh
-
(https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f44a.png) Pick 38 or nothing!
North Melbourne has upped the ante in its dealings with Richmond over Callum Coleman-Jones.
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1444931658868686851
-
He was our pick 20, we have spent 4 years developing him, in my mind we should be doing everything to keep him, in a previous post when the red veil overcame me, I said he was no good, but he is developing nicely for a big man.
Can we still keep him??
Or has the boat left the shore??
-
We need to get him to GCS if we can.
-
Walk him to the draft. Piece of poo for choosing North. Then bash him when we play them next year.
-
:clapping
Tigers rightly, playing hardball
Knew there'd be a twist and turns with this
-
A trade in good faith closer to his true value would be reasonable.
Hasn’t North got him earmarked as their first ruck as their current bloke is 35 , is he.
-
#lolnorf can GAGF’d - we’ll take Simpkin as soon as he hits FA for nothing as he won’t want to rot at that busted ass club forever
-
Geez i love the melts and the total overrating of a bloke who has done so little to date.
If people think he's worth pick 20 then get the lube out and get ready we aren't getting pick 20 for him and if i was NM id be letting us know it in no uncertain terms.
I can just hear the comments on here if the shoe was on the other foot freakin footy supporters from all clubs are among the biggest hippocrites going around.
-
Norf can have him for nothing then.
As a gesture of goodwill we should throw in a gift certificate from Bendigo Kebabs & a bottle of scotch as a going away present ... then let nature take its' course ... :wallywink
-
Geez i love the melts and the total overrating of a bloke who has done so little to date.
If people think he's worth pick 20 then get the lube out and get ready we aren't getting pick 20 for him and if i was NM id be letting us know it in no uncertain terms.
I can just hear the comments on here if the shoe was on the other foot freakin footy supporters from all clubs are among the biggest hippocrites going around.
Our supporters are loyal to our club. They want the best result. Loyalty is a great trait to have, instead of coming in here bashing our supporters maybe you should being loyal to Richmond and at the very least support the club line on this. Just saying.
-
The Roos and Tigers are ‘miles apart’ at the trade table. It seems one is likely going to have to pay ‘unders’
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
October 5th, 2021
Fox Footy pundits Leigh Montagna and David King believe Richmond will likely have to soften its trade stance with North Melbourne, which has flagged its Callum Coleman-Jones deal plans.
The Kangaroos need to find a way to acquire Tiger Callum Coleman-Jones, who’s played just nine games in four seasons at Richmond but been identified by North as the ruck successor to star veteran Todd Goldstein.
But Richmond and North hit an early roadblock on day one of the trade period, with Herald Sun reporter Jon Ralph suggesting the two clubs were “miles apart” at the trade table.
The Tigers are keen to acquire Pick 20 – the same pick the Richmond ruck was taken at in the 2017 draft – as compensation for losing Coleman-Jones, who’s been offered a long-term deal on good money at Arden St. But the Roos are unwilling to part with that draft selection, with The Age reporting North had offered a third-round pick for Coleman-Jones while asking for Richmond’s fourth round pick back.
Foxfooty.com.au reported Richmond was “agitated” at North’s push to acquire young a player on a healthy, long-term deal but be unwilling to send Pick 20 to the Tigers.
Speaking on Fox Footy’s Trading Day, Ralph pointed to several other rucks that had been traded in recent seasons for little compensation, including Toby Nankervis from Sydney to Richmond (for Pick 46) and Jarrod Witts from Collingwood to Gold Coast (Pick 44).
“They (the Tigers) think he (Coleman-Jones) is ready to blossom after a pretty solid year, but North Melbourne’s saying: ‘We just don’t think he’s worth that and we don’t think ruckmen are worth Pick 20, we’re prepared to give (Pick) 38 up,’” Ralph told Fox Footy.
“There is the potential for him to go through to the pre-season draft, North are saying: ‘We want to negotiate in good faith and that would absolutely be a Plan B.’”
Montagna said the Kangaroos “have the upper hand in this situation”, meaning Richmond was more unlikely to have its demands met.
“They (the Kangaroos) will deal in good faith and if Richmond don‘t come to the party – a bit like what happened with Jack Martin at the Gold Coast Suns – you say: ‘Worst-case scenario, we walk him through to the pre-season draft and we get him for nothing,’” Montagna told Trading Day.
“Richmond, unfortunately, will have to accept probably under what he‘s worth. But that’s all part of it when you know you’ve got the upper hand as (an) unsigned (player).”
King said he was a “huge fan” of Coleman-Jones and that he was worth Pick 20, but stressed it was a “buyers’ market”.
“The player wants to play AFL footy. He’s been at Richmond for four years, he just hasn’t been able to nail down that first ruck position, he wants ruck exposure not forward exposure,” King told Trading Day.
“I think it’ll get done for that Pick 38. Sure Richmond are not happy, but that’s the law of the jungle. They’ve won the swing a couple of times Richmond, so I think they’ve got to give one up here.
“It might be a little switch with picks that could be the sweetener.”
The Tigers are set to acquire veteran North defender Robbie Tarrant, who’ll have to be traded to the club rather than picked up as a free agent to ensure the compensation pick Richmond received for losing Mabior Chol to the Gold Coast Suns isn’t diluted.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-4-free-agency-trade-period-opens-news/news-story/2113809216fecb413ae18915cf381c52?recommendedCount=0
-
According to Tiger71 on last night's BF podcast:
* CCJ - if a trade can't be done he will stay at the Tigers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmHwhI42LwE
-
Unfortunately North have the upper hand. If we can't reach a deal he will walk. It is a real shame he wants to leave as the Club has done everything for him. Time to cut our losses.
-
According to Tiger71 on last night's BF podcast:
* CCJ - if a trade can't be done he will stay at the Tigers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmHwhI42LwE
Don't agree, unless there is a clear indication from player and manager.
He's asked for a trade and they've offered him the ruck job.
Tigers have a 3 year deal on the table which he has not agreed to. That's still plenty long enough.
He wants game time as a ruck and we cannot give him that in front of Nank and Soldo.
-
Do you think hell play ruck infront of Goldstein? Norf have sold him a pup.
-
Do you think hell play ruck infront of Goldstein? Norf have sold him a pup.
Todd is 33 yo against Nank at 27 and Soldo at 25.
-
Theyll still play Goldstein ruck CCJ wont ruck alot not for 2 years at Norf.
-
Do you think hell play ruck infront of Goldstein? Norf have sold him a pup.
My understanding is that they have offered him the ruck duties full time after Goldy retires which is soon. So he's to go there and be mentored by Goldy for a year or so in a similar role to his current one before going primary ruck.
He's a long way down the pecking order at RFC.
-
According to Tiger71 on last night's BF podcast:
* CCJ - if a trade can't be done he will stay at the Tigers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmHwhI42LwE
Also according to Tiger71:
CCJ to GC....
Chol to Bumblers....
Pickett back to WA....
Cerra a lock....
Narkle a lock....
Lapinski a lock....
B.Crouch a lock in 2019.....
B.Crouch a lock in 2020....
:shh
-
Lol - always knew that guy was a fraud
-
I wouldn't be banking on Soldo being at full form in 2022. Can take a small man up to 12 months to get back to previous form let alone a 200cm+ player
CCJ would get time in the ruck with the Tigers top side in 2022 if he really wanted to work for it.
-
I wouldn't be banking on Soldo being at full form in 2022. Can take a small man up to 12 months to get back to previous form let alone a 200cm+ player
CCJ would get time in the ruck with the Tigers top side in 2022 if he really wanted to work for it.
Soldo did his knee in Sep 2020, its over 12 months now, he will be ready to go
-
I wouldn't be banking on Soldo being at full form in 2022. Can take a small man up to 12 months to get back to previous form let alone a 200cm+ player
CCJ would get time in the ruck with the Tigers top side in 2022 if he really wanted to work for it.
Soldo did his knee in Sep 2020, its over 12 months now, he will be ready to go
Don't forget we've all disappeared down some weird vortex for 18 months. :rollin
-
The Tigers are keen to acquire Pick 20 from North Melbourne for Coleman-Jones, who’s been offered a long-term deal on good money by the Roos.
Foxfooty.com.au reported Richmond was “agitated” by North’s unwillingness to part with Pick 20 despite tabling Coleman-Jones such an attractive contract.
The 22-year-old has played just nine games across four seasons at Punt Road.
“They (the Tigers) think he (Coleman-Jones) is ready to blossom after a pretty solid year, but North Melbourne’s saying: ‘We just don’t think he’s worth that and we don’t think ruckmen are worth Pick 20, we’re prepared to give (Pick) 38 up,’” Ralph told Fox Footy.
“There is the potential for him to go through to the pre-season draft, North are saying: ‘We want to negotiate in good faith and that would absolutely be a Plan B.’”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-documentary-2021-new-doco-involving-player-agents-for-2022-after-amazon-making-their-mark-program/news-story/04a76e2e4220d63825db3c6511f7b8be?recommendedCount=0
-
It should have been CCJ’s spot to lose and Soldo to win back on form.
With injuries and Jack at 33 CCJ should have had plenty of opportunity to ruck and rest forward.
In my opinion he was better than Lynch in the games he played.
It makes you wonder how it got to the decision that he had no future at Richmond.
Somethings not quite right as i couldn’t see it happening a year or two ago.
I wonder if we gave a commitment , years and dollars if we could get him to stay.
-
It should have been CCJ’s spot to lose and Soldo to win back on form.
With injuries and Jack at 33 CCJ should have had plenty of opportunity to ruck and rest forward.
In my opinion he was better than Lynch in the games he played.
It makes you wonder how it got to the decision that he had no future at Richmond.
Somethings not quite right as i couldn’t see it happening a year or two ago.
I wonder if we gave a commitment , years and dollars if we could get him to stay.
Club has never said he has no future with us.
He has a 3 year deal on the table but no promise of regular footy in 2022.
North offering more money, more years, more senior opportunities.
Our only hope is if CCJ has morals and decides to force a better trade by considering staying at RFC (only rumours) or if another club gets his interest.
If he is intent on going to North and only North at any cost then we will take unders or lose him for diddly.
-
I understand your opinion on CCJ’s value but it’s not what I think or what the clubs saying but you are entitled to your opinion .
I don’t think you read what I said as I never mentioned that Richmond thought CCJ had no future .
If you read what I’m suggesting I’m hoping Richmond will have another crack to sign him up as I see he has a lot of potential for a 22 year old .I am aware of what he has been offered and where he is in the pecking order but we could have a rethink
-
You'd think Hawks & Cats would be all over CCJ with their ruck stocks being so poor?
-
Richmond and North Melbourne, meanwhile, have also begun discussions with the Bulldogs on a trade for Callum Coleman-Jones that would involve pick 17.
Under that scenario, the Dogs would improve their points position, Richmond would secure pick 17, and North would slide a few places in the draft.
The Tigers and North have also discussed whether Robbie Tarrant is tied into the trade for Coleman-Jones and picks. While Tarrant is a free agent and technically able to move to Richmond for nothing, his arrival as a free agent would dilute the compensation the Tigers would receive for losing their own free agent, Mabior Chol, to the Gold Coast.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/pick-17-holds-the-key-western-bulldogs-first-rounder-could-unlock-two-different-deals-20211005-p58xha.html
-
I understand your opinion on CCJ’s value but it’s not what I think or what the clubs saying but you are entitled to your opinion .
I don’t think you read what I said as I never mentioned that Richmond thought CCJ had no future .
If you read what I’m suggesting I’m hoping Richmond will have another crack to sign him up as I see he has a lot of potential for a 22 year old .I am aware of what he has been offered and where he is in the pecking order but we could have a rethink
I think he is worth pick 20-30. I just don't think we will get it if we only have North to trade with. Like I said - need another party to show interest.
Misunderstood you re: future at the club.
CCJ I'd think knows he is a wanted player, but maybe just doesn't wanna do the hard work a la Higgins. Perhaps we should be taking that into account.
-
Richmond and North Melbourne, meanwhile, have also begun discussions with the Bulldogs on a trade for Callum Coleman-Jones that would involve pick 17.
Under that scenario, the Dogs would improve their points position, Richmond would secure pick 17, and North would slide a few places in the draft.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/pick-17-holds-the-key-western-bulldogs-first-rounder-could-unlock-two-different-deals-20211005-p58xha.html
Trying to guess what this will be?
Initially, I thought they meant this: ( but we get screwed :thumbsdown )
Richmond: CCJ + 38 + 42 + 47 (1116 pts) ---> Tarrant + 17 (1025 pts)
Norf: Tarrant + 40 (429 pts) -------------> CCJ + 47 (316 pts)
Bulldogs: 17 (1025 pts) -----------------------> 38 + 40 + 42 (1289 pts)
Alternatively, I then thought this:
Richmond: CCJ + 28 + 42 + 47 (1388 pts) ------> Tarrant + 17 + 20 (1937 pts) ..... a gain of 549 pts (~pick 34)
Norf: Tarrant + 20 + 40 (1341 pts) --------> CCJ + 28 (677 pts) ..... a loss of 664 pts (~pick 29)
Bulldogs: 17 (1025 pts) -------------------------> 40 + 42 + 47 (1140 pts) ..... Dogs gain 115 extra points.
In other words, we effectively trade CCJ for Tarrant + 34.
This would leave us with picks 7, 15, 17, 20, 26 + 38 (Chol) + Tarrant.
Thoughts?
( note: If our pick 26 was used instead of pick 28 above then it would effectively become CCJ for Tarrant + 37 )
( North would then effectively be doing Tarrant + 31 for CCJ rather than Tarrant + 29 )
-
Better MT, but I don't know if that's enough points for WB to trade out their 17 to us over someone else. I'm sure there will be other clubs fielding offers for that pick so we need to offer them a sufficient points surplus. We aren't likely to use all those later picks anyway so my plan would be as below.
Losing Tarrant will apparently gain North no draft pick due to his age. Therefore his best value to them now is to add him as a sweetener to a trade with Richmond (on the assumption CCJ allegedly doesn't want to go vis PSD as we hope).
Taking Tarrant as a FA will cost us Chol compo (38) so if we can include him in a trade he gains us a value of pick 38 IMO.
CCJ for North's 40 + Tarrant (ie pick 38).
40 + 38 is the points equivalent of 21.
Then we can trade 38, 40 & 41 to WB for 17. Or throw in 47 if we don't want to use it this year with a 2022 3rd coming back our way (probz 50ish).
In: Tarrant, 17
Out: CCJ, 38, 40, 41
Draft with 7, 15, 17, 26, 28, 47
-
Better MT, but I don't know if that's enough points for WB to trade out their 17 to us over someone else. I'm sure there will be other clubs fielding offers for that pick so we need to offer them a sufficient points surplus. We aren't likely to use all those later picks anyway so my plan would be as below.
Losing Tarrant will apparently gain North no draft pick due to his age. Therefore his best value to them now is to add him as a sweetener to a trade with Richmond (on the assumption CCJ allegedly doesn't want to go vis PSD as we hope).
Taking Tarrant as a FA will cost us Chol compo (38) so if we can include him in a trade he gains us a value of pick 38 IMO.
CCJ for North's 40 + Tarrant (ie pick 38).
40 + 38 is the points equivalent of 21.
Then we can trade 38, 40 & 41 to WB for 17. Or throw in 47 if we don't want to use it this year with a 2022 3rd coming back our way (probz 50ish).
In: Tarrant, 17
Out: CCJ, 38, 40, 41
Draft with 7, 15, 17, 26, 28, 47
Then go to Crows for 2 & 23 for 7 & 15, I know they have rejected it but they may get desperate.
Leaves us with 4, 17, 23, 26, 28 & 47
Trade 28 & 47 into next year assuming we have 4 picks this year, if five picks keep 28
-
Then go to Crows for 2 & 23 for 7 & 15, I know they have rejected it but they may get desperate.
Leaves us with 4, 17, 23, 26, 28 & 47
Trade 28 & 47 into next year assuming we have 4 picks this year, if five picks keep 28
I'm no draft expert but most reports seem to indicate the top 4 is a class above so unless we have a specific target between 6-8 in the draft order that we want I think we should keep our picks.
Otherwise if we can trade into the top 4 (ie pick 2 basically) that would be great to get Callaghan but I wouldn't bother if we can't.
-
Better MT, but I don't know if that's enough points for WB to trade out their 17 to us over someone else. I'm sure there will be other clubs fielding offers for that pick so we need to offer them a sufficient points surplus. We aren't likely to use all those later picks anyway so my plan would be as below.
Losing Tarrant will apparently gain North no draft pick due to his age. Therefore his best value to them now is to add him as a sweetener to a trade with Richmond (on the assumption CCJ allegedly doesn't want to go vis PSD as we hope).
Taking Tarrant as a FA will cost us Chol compo (38) so if we can include him in a trade he gains us a value of pick 38 IMO.
CCJ for North's 40 + Tarrant (ie pick 38).
40 + 38 is the points equivalent of 21.
Then we can trade 38, 40 & 41 to WB for 17. Or throw in 47 if we don't want to use it this year with a 2022 3rd coming back our way (probz 50ish).
In: Tarrant, 17
Out: CCJ, 38, 40, 41
Draft with 7, 15, 17, 26, 28, 47
It's probably a moot point as it looks like we are unlikely to get the Dogs pick 17. But ignoring that for now, the article above said North slip back a few places in the draft while we would get pick 17 off the Dogs. That's why I didn't have two separate trades. The article suggested one trade involving us, North and the Dogs.
The Dogs are supposedly getting 1500 points via that 4-way trade with Melbourne, Adelaide & St Kilda. So to up our offer we could throw in pick 38 for the Dogs future 3rd say or a swap of future 3rds where we get North's future 3rd and North gets the Dogs future 3rd in return. Something like that.
Richmond: CCJ + 28 + 38 + 42 + 47 ------> Tarrant + 17 + 20 + Dogs' Future 3rd
Norf: Tarrant + 20 + 40 --------> CCJ + 28
Bulldogs: 17 (1025 pts) + Future 3rd --------> 38 + 40 + 42 + 47 (1606 pts) ..... Dogs gain 581 extra points
which is more than the 4-way trade offer.
This would leave us with picks 7, 15, 17, 20, 26 + Dogs' Future 3rd + Tarrant.
-
The last one is ok
Id like to see us trade out Caddy and Pickett to create salary cap space for 12 months time and to bring in a couple of picks in the 30s so we can upgrade our current picks
-
This would leave us with picks 7, 15, 17, 20, 26 + Dogs' Future 3rd + Tarrant.
Further to this based on pmac's idea of trying to move up into the top 4 of the draft:
If we could get the Dogs' pick 17 (see above) then with picks 7, 15, 17, 20, 26 plus Freo's future 3rd.
1) We could do a swap with Freo:
Rich 15 + 20
Freo 8 + future 3rd
That would leave us with picks 7, 8, 17, 26 plus Freo future 3rd + Dogs' future 3rd.
2) Then swap with GWS:
Rich 7 + 8
GWS 2 + 13
GWS will still get Mac Andrew at 7 while we get the midfielder of our choice at pick 2.
That would leave us with picks 2, 13, 17, 26 plus Freo future 3rd + Dogs' future 3rd.
3) Then offer Gold Coast this 2 for 1 first rounder trade:
Rich 13 + future 1st* (2022 draft)
GC 3
* We can offer our future 2022 first pick on the proviso next year we swap our future 2023 first rounder to regain a 2022 first rounder.
Charlie Naish is available as F/S in 2023 and if he will be as good as everyone is claiming then he could cop a bid in the first round of the 2023 draft. We then wouldn't need a 2023 first rounder as we would only need to accumulate points using later picks to match any bid on him.
4) So all up we would be left with picks 2, 3, 17, 26 plus Freo's future 3rd + Dogs' future 3rd.
We could then draft the two best midfielders we want with picks 2 & 3.
-
There’s some deluded pick swappers here… you’re kidding yourselves if you think the bulldogs will swap pick 17 for only a 100-200pt gain. It’ll be a 400-500pt gain, some people have no idea.
-
There’s some deluded pick swappers here… you’re kidding yourselves if you think the bulldogs will swap pick 17 for only a 100-200pt gain. It’ll be a 400-500pt gain, some people have no idea.
It was in the end a gain of 581 pts for pick 17 if you read the whole thing.
I also said it was a moot point as we're not getting pick 17 now anyway.
-
Guessing pick swaps is too hard. The morons at big footy have phds on pick swapping. If we cant do some simple trades to upgrade then just go the draft with what we have. We have a great draft hand already.
-
TARRANT INVOLVED IN CCJ TALKS
NORTH Melbourne and Richmond continue to workshop trade ideas for ruckman Callum Coleman-Jones and defender Robbie Tarrant, with the future of both players likely to become clearer by Friday.
AFL.com.au understands the Kangaroos' initial offer, made on Monday, included a future third-round pick but also Tarrant in exchange for Coleman-Jones and a future fourth-round selection to help the Tigers retain their compensation for losing Mabior Chol.
Richmond risks diluting the end-of-second-round compensation it received last week following Chol's move to Gold Coast, should it bring Tarrant to the club as an unrestricted free agent in the coming days.
It's understood the AFL's tiered compensation system would mean that Richmond's pick No.38, received for Chol's departure, would be pushed back around 10 selections should Tarrant arrive via free agency.
It's led to trade talks between the two sides to avoid the pick sliding back, with a number of options – the majority of which involving Tarrant in a package for Coleman-Jones – being hashed out between the two sides.
A decision on whether the Tigers plan to execute a free agency move for the 32-year-oldmust be made by 5pm AEDT on Friday, when the AFL's unrestricted free agency period closes. If not, he must move via a trade.
Tarrant has already accepted a two-year offer to move to Richmond, where he will chase a premiership under Damien Hardwick after 174 games and 14 seasons with North Melbourne.
Coleman-Jones, 22, has requested a trade to the Kangaroos after nine games across four seasons with the Tigers. He is tipped to eventually succeed the 33-year-old Todd Goldstein as the long-term No.1 ruck at Arden Street.
– Riley Beveridge
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683092/roos-tigers-consider-players-in-swap-dawson-deal-gets-really-complicated
-
if we could pick up Xerri coming back the other way as part of the trade.. is he any good?
-
if we could pick up Xerri coming back the other way as part of the trade.. is he any good?
X factor :lol :lol
-
if we could pick up Xerri coming back the other way as part of the trade.. is he any good?
He's trash. Sending him our way is a North idea/joke/middle finger.
-
Q: Any update on the CCJ negotiations?
David Zita: Still pretty far apart on both sides at the moment Blake - no one wants to go to pre-season draft so I think it'll get done, just going to take some time.
Q: Hi Ben, is there any news on what trades NM are looking for besides CCJ? Thank you. Josip.
Ben Waterworth: Hey Josip, they're working out a deal that invovles Tarrant I think as well and future picks. Still a bit to play out.
Q: Hi Ben, how do you think the North and Richmond Tarrant/CCJ deal ends up getting done? In particular what picks move?
Ben Waterworth: I think Pick 38 will exchange hands
Q: Given all of Richmond's picks this year compared to spots on their list - could North and the Tigers be negotiating the swap of a few of them this year and next as parts of the CCJ/Tarrant trade?
Ben Waterworth: Hi Billy, yeah I reckon that's all being taken into consideration.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-7-free-agency-trade-period-updates-news/news-story/1af546bf5f333eb5356eed2f629486f6
-
Callum Twomey and Nathan Schmook on the AFL website stating the obvious that the CCJ trade will happen and it is going to be reasonably straightforward (they don't mention what the class as "straightforward"). It just depends on whether Tarrant is included in the trade or not.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/683183/
-
No one seems to have any idea.
-
Some Norf fan on twitter:
As it stands the CCJ deal isn’t going through as reported. Massive last day tomorrow for @NMFCOfficial and @Richmond_FC #trade #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/SamFarfoud/status/1446048078100717569
-
Some Norf fan on twitter:
As it stands the CCJ deal isn’t going through as reported. Massive last day tomorrow for @NMFCOfficial and @Richmond_FC #trade #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/SamFarfoud/status/1446048078100717569
Trade period goes until Wednesday. What's the nuffie on about?
-
Some Norf fan on twitter:
As it stands the CCJ deal isn’t going through as reported. Massive last day tomorrow for @NMFCOfficial and @Richmond_FC #trade #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/SamFarfoud/status/1446048078100717569
Trade period goes until Wednesday. What's the nuffie on about?
Can only assume they're implying about FA, CCJ and Tarrant all being tied into together
Pretty sure FA (1st stage) ends today
-
Well I'm hearing its done.
Thanks for the heated discussion tiger fans.
Good luck next year.
Its been a whirlwind.
ccj + f4th
=
taz + f3rd.
Tigers board has the same deal from a different source.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/callum-coleman-jones-requested-trade-to-north-melbourne.1226295/post-72527046
-
About what I predicted except the F4th going back.
Assuming similar ladder finishes it's CCJ + pick 61 for Tarrant + pick 37, also preserving the value of our Chol compo.
-
All you North supporters will be ecstatic if that goes through.
If the Tarrant deal deal didn’t go through the pick was predicted to drop 10 spots which is a big deal in late picks
-
I’m hearing it’s
Cj and a future 3rd
For tarrant and a future 2nd
-
I’m hearing it’s
Cj and a future 3rd
For tarrant and a future 2nd
So pick 19 next year!
Take it and run!
-
Cooney makes up garbage but it would be funny if this occurred and North could no longer use their PSD threat regarding CCJ.
"If he's in the pre-season draft, you pick him up. He's a good player, North Melbourne need good players."
- Adam Cooney on the potential of North Melbourne selecting Jordan Dawson if he goes to the pre-season draft.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1446306381498228737
-
Q: As a richmond fan i dont mind them playing hardball a bit for coleman-jones. they aren't pushing him out the door at all and i actually rate him. way closer to pick 20 than pick 40 right max?
Max Loughton: Yeah closer to 20 than 40 in my eyes for sure. Quality young kid. Something around the 27 mark feels right
Q: Any news on CCJ to North?
Max Loughton: No progress that I'm aware of.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-for-friday-october-8-live-trade-chat-latest-news-offers-jordan-dawson/news-story/916b5b3ada3c52bc5d3c3c0050cf8811
-
It's about to go down according to AFL journos
-
Callum Coleman-Jones is set to become a North Melbourne player today with a future second round pick going Richmond’s way as well as Robbie Tarrant with other pick swaps.
https://twitter.com/InformationAfl/status/1446351915659399179
-
Tarrant, 40 & future second for CCJ, 42, 47 and future 4th
We win that.
-
North Melbourne and Richmond are set to complete a trade involving Callum Coleman-Jones and Robbie Tarrant.
North Melbourne expected to use its future second-round selection as centrepiece of the deal with other picks changing hands.
https://twitter.com/AFLtrade2trade/status/1446351092325904385
-
Good riddance you Zombie prick
-
Result! :clapping
-
Callum Coleman-Jones set to become a Kangaroo today. North Melbourne expected to use its future second-round selection as centrepiece of the deal with other picks changing hands. Robbie Tarrant expected to be a part of the trade.
@aflcomau @traderadio
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1446346854753468417
-------------------------------------
North will get CCJ, 42, 47 & a future fourth.
Richmond will get Tarrant, 40 & a future second.
@AFLcomau
https://twitter.com/RileyBev/status/1446349806461276162
-
DONE DEALS |
Richmond has traded Callum Coleman-Jones, pick 42, 47 and a future fourth round pick for Robbie Tarrant, pick 40 and a future second round pick, per @CalTwomey and @RileyBev
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBJ7lzTUYAAbwjn?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1446354408866942977
-
Great Work Blair, Clarke and Balmey, a fair trade , 40 on it own my ass :gotigers
-
CYA,
CCJ ...enjoy N0rt, getting gifted senior games with a handful wins a year..
Very good deal for us
-
The Tiger Army have long memories of those who do the dirty on the Club.
CCJ, enjoy playing in front of a man and his dog each weekend in the graveyard Sunday twilight slot.
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/3OYY/barrack-for-north-melbourne-they-said/image.jpg?w=400&c=1)
-
I knew he was no good!!! :thumbsup :thumbsup
dumbass ccj fan boys...exactly like last year's Ross fanboys...he is absolute crap...you all been hanging out for CCJ to play...well here he is! Enjoy the poo show
-
Good outcome, well done by the club. No idea how they managed it unless CCJ was determined not to go via PSD.
If we work off 2021 finishing places and factor in the saving we made on the Chol compo pick (tipped to slide 10 spots) it's effectively:
CCJ for P28
Pretty much half way between their 2nd & 3rd picks. I thought we'd have to settle for their 3rd. Never ever thought we'd get their 2nd. Meeting half way is good!
-
Now hopefully CCJ remains a C grade player. Dishes out 20 goals and 150 hitouts a year.
-
Great result you think roos be bottom 4 so early pick in twentie.
-
Norf fan reaction ...
Thank you Richmond for allowing us to get cooper Harvey next year. Great doing business with yas
Will most likely go 2nd round so we didn't really need a 2nd round pick
Sure, but that’s no reason to gift it away.
We could’ve traded that pick for a player or a future pick or a raft of later picks (like Dogs did with pick 17 this year).
Are you joking? We were so robbed
We could of done more with it next year.
https://twitter.com/JoshLFC19/status/1446368080481820676
-
So after all the unnecessary arguments on here we on balance essentially got a pick half way between what the optimists thought and what the pessimistic people thought.
-
So after all the unnecessary arguments on here we on balance essentially got a pick half way between what the optimists thought and what the pessimistic people thought.
Unless they finish last next year, then we got above and beyond anyone’s wildest expectations :lol :lol
-
So after all the unnecessary arguments on here we on balance essentially got a pick half way between what the optimists thought and what the pessimistic people thought.
Unless they finish last next year, then we got above and beyond anyone’s wildest expectations :lol :lol
In the absolute best case that they finish last (future second = 19) and we win the flag (future fourth = 72), the net points we receive is the equivalent of pick 30. So yeah right in the middle.
-
Considering what we have rolled over on before our current recruiting team, great result🥇
-
So after all the unnecessary arguments on here we on balance essentially got a pick half way between what the optimists thought and what the pessimistic people thought.
Unless they finish last next year, then we got above and beyond anyone’s wildest expectations :lol :lol
In the absolute best case that they finish last (future second = 19) and we win the flag (future fourth = 72), the net points we receive is the equivalent of pick 30. So yeah right in the middle.
No-one will give a stuff about the "points" if that happens... :shh
-
Best case scenario now:
CCJ struggles to lock down a spot behind Goldstein, Larkey and Comben. Plays 12 games, kicks about 12 goals and gets maybe 80 hitouts for the year. Criticised for eating a kebab at a VFL game when out of form. Roos finish last.
Richmond have a clear run with injury. The kids grow up, Ross, RCD and Graham all go to another level. Nank/Soldo solid all year. Lynch and Jack combine for 100+ snags. Win the premiership. Tarrant the Norm Smith medallist and all Australian FB.
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-TRpG8JWng&t=136s
:shh
-
The real proof is how good the player that we recruit turns out to be. You have better chance the higher your pick but even pick ones have been duds
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-TRpG8JWng&t=136s
:shh
Gold
-
great result it seems like.
well played.
A lot of it has to deal with north not being a dudoro.
-
A clear winning trade for Blair and his team. Good riddance tp the clown at Norf.
-
Hats off to North, to me it was a fair trade and when we have the upper hand you would expect us to do the same
-
I knew he was no good!!! :thumbsup :thumbsupdumbass ccj fan boys...exactly like last year's Ross fanboys...he is absolute crap...you all been hanging out for CCJ to play...well here he is! Enjoy the poo show
LMAO - how exactly does this trade prove you right about his ability as a player? :joker
...oh & last I checked Ross is still on the list and was among the bests in our last game...#earlycrow :shh
-
Treating the future second rounder in as pick 19 and the future fourth rounder out as pick 60 ...
https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator#19,40|42,47,60
then the trade works out as the equivalent of CCJ for Tarrant + Pick 36.
-
"A big loss for Richmond as he's a young man who has done it on the big stage" - Dal Santo
"done it on the big stage" :huh3
-
Yeah he was dancing on stage with the strippers with a kebab in hand the young fella. He got moves :shh
-
Treating the future second rounder in as pick 19 and the future fourth rounder out as pick 60 ...
https://www.draftguru.com.au/pick-value-calculator#19,40|42,47,60
then the trade works out as the equivalent of CCJ for Tarrant + Pick 36.
Tarrant + 40 for CCJ will do. Assuming north not likely to get much FA compo for him.
Pretty much on the money. Now just need to trade some crap picks for better ones.
Tarrant traded in saves us about 165 points on the Chol compo.
-
We have dead set fleeced North by getting theur future 2nd. Huge trade win for Blair Hartley. Im laughing at the Richmond supporters on big footy for wanting Blair sacked for sitting on his hands, being risk averse and nott knowing how to trade kol. Its hilarious.
-
We have dead set fleeced North by getting theur future 2nd. Huge trade win for Blair Hartley. Im laughing at the Richmond supporters on big footy for wanting Blair sacked for sitting on his hands, being risk averse and nott knowing how to trade kol. Its hilarious.
So do you think they have done the right thing by us. After all they could have just sent him to the PSD.
We constantly talk ourselves up and how we do the right thing but hey its had nothing to do with NM doing the right thing and we had a huge trade win.
No silly me we fleeced them and its all about us. Next time there is a compromise to be made with them and we have the upper hand i hope we remember. It would be good if our supporters could at least acknowledge them coming to the party and doing the right thing.
-
They cooperated but they got the player they wanted and we lost a player we wanted to keep. In the end they did it because they know if they hadnt done a fair deal we would have gone after their good young players down the track.
-
I'm really not sure about this. I have huge expectations for CCJ. I would of preferred we had of kept him if possible.
It takes years for the big guys to peak and if we look at our current players we can take some lessons. Nank cost us stuff all and had really not shown his future potential when we picked him up. This is often the way with big guys.
Did we really win out of this transaction, I'm not as sure as alot of you.
-
We have dead set fleeced North by getting theur future 2nd. Huge trade win for Blair Hartley. Im laughing at the Richmond supporters on big footy for wanting Blair sacked for sitting on his hands, being risk averse and nott knowing how to trade kol. Its hilarious.
So do you think they have done the right thing by us. After all they could have just sent him to the PSD.
We constantly talk ourselves up and how we do the right thing but hey its had nothing to do with NM doing the right thing and we had a huge trade win.
No silly me we fleeced them and its all about us. Next time there is a compromise to be made with them and we have the upper hand i hope we remember. It would be good if our supporters could at least acknowledge them coming to the party and doing the right thing.
Makes no sense your post. He was worth second round pick anyway what you think it's charity mate or something we got what he's worth we own North nothing mate.
-
I'm reaching here as well, but if I was to take a stab I'd say that CCJ told NM he wants a fair trade because he feels like he owes us one for sticking by him after kebab-gate.
North certainly didn't do it out of the kindness of their hearts. They are a rebuilding team and would have done it if it benefits their organisation in some way, be it winning their player over or keeping in the good books with other clubs etc.
-
We have dead set fleeced North by getting theur future 2nd. Huge trade win for Blair Hartley. Im laughing at the Richmond supporters on big footy for wanting Blair sacked for sitting on his hands, being risk averse and nott knowing how to trade kol. Its hilarious.
So do you think they have done the right thing by us. After all they could have just sent him to the PSD.
We constantly talk ourselves up and how we do the right thing but hey its had nothing to do with NM doing the right thing and we had a huge trade win.
No silly me we fleeced them and its all about us. Next time there is a compromise to be made with them and we have the upper hand i hope we remember. It would be good if our supporters could at least acknowledge them coming to the party and doing the right thing.
Makes no sense your post. He was worth second round pick anyway what you think it's charity mate or something we got what he's worth we own North nothing mate.
That comes down the individuals opinion on ccj as a player. You obviously rate him thats all good but plenty dont rate him. it makes a lot of sense for those people!!!!! we were very well compensated indeed. Charity sheesh with the circumstances NM were very charitable and you can't acknowledge that.
As i said all and sundry yell to the heavens how good we are to trade with but when an opponent comes to the table and does the right thing there is no acknowledgement.
The bottom line is they could have offered peanuts and we would have either had to accept it or let him go in the PSD. Instead we got a very good future second pick asmall upgrade on two picks we were unlikely to use and Tarrant across to us without affecting the Chol compensation. All this when they had the option of just taking him in the PSD.
Hmm id say selfish and entitled supporters aplenty.
-
And if they hadnt we would have gone after uniake and phillips and simpkin. They would have paid a huge price thsts why they caved in.
-
And if they hadnt we would have gone after uniake and phillips and simpkin. They would have paid a huge price thsts why they caved in.
Sheesh and you really believe that :o hilarious.
-
I’m not sure it’s a great deal - let’s remove the threat of him going to the pre season draft and assess it.
He’s a first rounder finally showing something 4 seasons in.
We’ve given up 2 picks this year and 1 next year and received 2 picks - only one is any good.
Jordan Clark is a spud and the Dockers are giving up pick 19.
Not a wait and see - guaranteed this year pick 19, played similar games as CCJ and frankly showed less.
So, the deal only works in context of getting nothing.
-
I see the potential in Colman Jones and suspect he will be a long term good player for North Melbourne
I suspect that Luff and North think so to and with Luff being a stats man knew what he is worth.
I also think North are smart enough to know they can pick up the best player that slips through to the PSD , clubs haven’t even started their list management so it will be surprising if a good player does not slip though to them
-
Not sure about this one. I hope I am wrong. Only time will tell.
-
Roos boss unpacks complex trade for Tiger, flags plans for list hole
David Zita
Fox Sports
October 21st, 2021
North Melbourne football boss Brady Rawlings says Callum Coleman-Jones wouldn’t have come to the club if it elected to force him through the pre-season draft.
Despite Richmond’s intent to keep him, Coleman-Jones nominated North Melbourne as his club of choice ahead of the trade period and got there via a trade, which saw the Roos trade out Robbie Tarrant, pick No.40 and a future second-round selection.
Speaking as part of a members forum, Rawlings said a trade was necessary given the potential repercussions of walking Coleman-Jones to the pre-season draft.
“It sounds quite simple as you can walk someone to a pre-season draft - it doesn’t quite work that way,” he said.
“We were looking to attract Callum Coleman-Jones as a player to our club and his club was really keen to retain him with a contract on the table and he was being courted heavily by the Gold Coast Suns and had a terrific offering in front of him there and he elected to come to us, that was the first piece of the puzzle.
“Once you get a player to that point, you work closely with the manager to get a trade done. If we were to get him out of line and say we’re going to walk him to the pre-season draft, a player doesn’t want that to occur to his original club and the manager probably doesn't want that to occur either.
“If we took that stance, then I don’t think Callum probably would have chosen this footy club.”
Tarrant was an unrestricted free agent, allowing him to move to Richmond without any input from North Melbourne, but the 32-year-old was eventually included in the deal for Coleman-Jones.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-north-melbourne-callum-coleman-jones-trade-preseason-draft-tom-lynch-rookie-list-plans/news-story/5198eba3188b56a3c28488df6e6b171d
-
We have dead set fleeced North by getting their future 2nd.
Norf doing us a favour so far as odds on wooden spoon favourites. 108 point flogging :lol. Thanks Roos for Pick 19 :thumbsup.
-
2 picks inside 20 to add to our youngsters at the end of the weason. A key forward and a midfielder or 2 mids? Whats peoples opinions.
-
Solid miss seem to rarely come out of a draft ready to go, maybe we need to package up and trade our picks for an existing mid??
-
If as I suspect , we will need to rebuild in the next few years. The level of the rebuild will depend on how the current young ones step up.
I would go to the draft unless the player is in the top 10 of their current team and the price is fair
-
Norf supporters dead set bleeding at the moment about this trade.
-
It’s going to be a full rebuild watching the reserves.
-
Norf doing their best today to hammer their % and hand us pick 19 :thumbsup.
ps. CCJ can't get a game with a bottom side that kicks just 2 goals in a half and disposes the ball at just 35% against another bottom 4 side lol.
-
Norf are in huge trouble as a club. Draft picks wont save them. They need the AFL to put in a new administration, a new football department, a new senior coach, and some new recruiters. Its off field thats wrecked their club. For us we thank them for pick 19. They can have it back for Uniake if tbey want lol.
-
Norf are in huge trouble as a club. Draft picks wont save them. They need the AFL to put in a new administration, a new football department, a new senior coach, and some new recruiters. Its off field thats wrecked their club. For us we thank them for pick 19. They can have it back for Uniake if tbey want lol.
Norf can't use youth as an excuse either. They're not a young team.
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1655020565456-png.1422489/)
There's a Fitzroy stench about Norf.
Round 13, 1996. Fitzroy - W1 L12, 52.6%
Round 13, 2022. Nth Melb - W1 L12, 52.3%.
The AFL have a history of merging or relocating clubs if it's what the AFL wants. The AFL would love to send Norf to Tassie.
-
Norf are in huge trouble as a club. Draft picks wont save them. They need the AFL to put in a new administration, a new football department, a new senior coach, and some new recruiters. Its off field thats wrecked their club. For us we thank them for pick 19. They can have it back for Uniake if tbey want lol.
Norf can't use youth as an excuse either. They're not a young team.
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1655020565456-png.1422489/)
There's a Fitzroy stench about Norf.
Round 13, 1996. Fitzroy - W1 L12, 52.6%
Round 13, 2022. Nth Melb - W1 L12, 52.3%.
The AFL have a history of merging or relocating clubs if it's what the AFL wants. The AFL would love to send Norf to Tassie.
Your right their starting 22 above is about the same as it is for most clubs in age.
In fairness to them as of march 21 2022 the first game of the season they had the second youngest list.
That team above was probably the oldest team they could field atm. Development or more to the point development time never gets spoken about when it comes to these things.
Imo they have a long way to go most important for them is to make sure they have very good recruiters and very good development coaches. Clearly list management needs to be better and they need a long term plan and need to stick to it.
Their list imo lacks structure and depth in the key areas.
Like us not so long ago they are relying on ruck/fwds to become very good fwds.I call em half ruck half forward not quite eithers. Just one genuine key fwd in Larkey.
If there i would be going hard for three GENUINE key forwards at varying stages of development. A more mature recruit to partner Larkey a promising kid and maybe a promising say 22yo from the state leagues if available.
Would be looking at a Genuine ruckman to develop especially with Goldstein close to retirement.Xerri is there but will need back up
Would be sifting thru The ruck/fwds CC-J, Comben and Edwards keeping the most promising and moving on the rest.
Also think they need two KPDS they have Walker at 30yr Corr at 28 and McKay at 24 yrs. there is no one else and they need blokes in development.
Out side of this the priority would be the best mids i could get my hands on. A couple of big ball winners and polished in/out mids to compliment them.
North to Tassie will never happen Tasmanians just won't embrace them. I dont think a Tassie team is too far away.
-
Poor old CCJ, goes to a rabble for the big $$$ and can't get a game.
If he had stayed loyal he'd playing AFL and forging a permanent spot
Zero sympathy for him but do send my thanks for pick number 19 :rollin
-
If we lose badly to blues and cats we could throw a game vs WCE and then hammer north to make them finish last lol
Not saying I want to but we could...
-
I think we'll win against Carlton and Geelong.
-
I think we'll win against Carlton and Geelong.
We will
-
Pick 19 says hi :thumbsup.
Thanks Eagles.
Thanks Bumblers :snidegrin
-
Spud it up today back in Norf's side. Didn't want the physical contact.
-
Spud it up today back in Norf's side. Didn't want the physical contact.
Neither Dusty in the gf according to bt
-
Spud it up today back in Norf's side. Didn't want the physical contact.
Neither Dusty in the gf according to bt
:laugh:
True but Dusty does it to cleverly win the ball not meekly cough it up to the opposition ;).
-
He was a promising trade recruit from the Tigers.
But this big man is now auditioning for his spot against an inexperienced Roo.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpSqW1hagAMGw4d?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1627112894432419840
CCJ being pushed down the pecking order at Norf once again it seems.
-
Granted I didn’t see much of him in either position but from what I did, he was a much more promising forward than ruckman. Not sure why they don’t just pair him with larkey as the 2 key forwards and give Goldstein a chop out in the ruck.
-
Poor old CCJ, goes to a rabble for the big $$$ and can't get a game.
Based on today, that isn't changing. Lucky if he touched the ball twice.
-
9 goals for the big lump in the VFL today
-
Is he on the nmfc afl listed players? Imagine getting him back via the mid season draft :shh
-
Is he on the nmfc afl listed players? Imagine getting him back via the mid season draft :shh
Yeah for another 3.5 years I think
-
Well, looks like we did well with this trade...
Sorry for the bloke, looks like a ruptured Achilles 100%.
Will be a long road back and he was playing mediocre to begin with.
-
Well, looks like we did well with this trade...
Sorry for the bloke, looks like a ruptured Achilles 100%.
Will be a long road back and he was playing mediocre to begin with.
I would say we didn't lost but certainly didn't win either. Both picks im pretty sure never used by us?
Looked harsh so hopefully he gets back.
-
Well, looks like we did well with this trade...
Sorry for the bloke, looks like a ruptured Achilles 100%.
Will be a long road back and he was playing mediocre to begin with.
I would say we didn't lost but certainly didn't win either. Both picks im pretty sure never used by us?
Looked harsh so hopefully he gets back.
Have to start by saying i THINK we at one stage had picks 9,17, 28,29, 38,42,47. I was more than happy to do nothing more other than use those picks. I think we ended up doing the following.
NM got CC-J #42, #47, and our future 4th.
We got Tarrant, #40 and NM FUTURE 2ND. we traded #40 to collingwood along with pick 38 chol compo and a future 3rd, for pick 27.
NM finished 18th in 22 so the future 2nd was first pick in the second round which was probably the pick 19 that we gave to GWS as part of the Taranto deal.
I reckon we clearly won that trade regardless of mistakes in the summation..
Personally i was hoping we would hang onto 38 and 40 along with the two 2nd rounders we had. make bids on StKilda,s acadamy kids.
If i have it wrong i apologise but if we had kept our picks instead of trading up we would have had 9, 17, 28 29, 38, 40, plus Tarrant and im sure there was another pick available there somewhere.
If we had done nothing at all we would have had i think 9,17, 28,29, 38, 42, 47.
Its worth contemplating what we may have done with those picks in those scenario's
-
Well, looks like we did well with this trade...
Sorry for the bloke, looks like a ruptured Achilles 100%.
Will be a long road back and he was playing mediocre to begin with.
I would say we didn't lost but certainly didn't win either. Both picks im pretty sure never used by us?
Looked harsh so hopefully he gets back.
Have to start by saying i THINK we at one stage had picks 9,17, 28,29, 38,42,47. I was more than happy to do nothing more other than use those picks. I think we ended up doing the following.
NM got CC-J #42, #47, and our future 4th.
We got Tarrant, #40 and NM FUTURE 2ND. we traded #40 to collingwood along with pick 38 chol compo and a future 3rd, for pick 27.
NM finished 18th in 22 so the future 2nd was first pick in the second round which was probably the pick 19 that we gave to GWS as part of the Taranto deal.
I reckon we clearly won that trade regardless of mistakes in the summation..
Personally i was hoping we would hang onto 38 and 40 along with the two 2nd rounders we had. make bids on StKilda,s acadamy kids.
If i have it wrong i apologise but if we had kept our picks instead of trading up we would have had 9, 17, 28 29, 38, 40, plus Tarrant and im sure there was another pick available there somewhere.
If we had done nothing at all we would have had i think 9,17, 28,29, 38, 42, 47.
Its worth contemplating what we may have done with those picks in those scenario's
Where are all the hindight merchants.
To be expected i suppose.