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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 24, 2017, 08:52:07 PM
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Welcome to Tigerland, Ben.
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BEN MILLER
Player bio
Former club: Subiaco
Age: 18
Height: 196cm
Weight: 93kg
Position: Ruckman
2017 U18 Stats
Games: 4
Goals: 1
Avg Kicks: 2.3
Avg Marks: 2
Avg Hballs: 8.5
Developing ruckman or tall forward with good agility and clean hands. Played consistently well for Western Australia in the NAB AFL U18 Championships, dominating the hit-outs. His Draft Combine time of 2.91 seconds for 20m was extremely impressive for a tall.
http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-tracker
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SEN saying he's 200cm?
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Great late pick for us.
This guy has a kick that has to be seen to be believed. He thumps them long and they travel through the air pretty quick.
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Rapt with this pick great pick up.
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Apparently now 200cm. Good pick up
Is this rampsters boy?
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Super Pick. A great Athlete could be anything. Just a great late pick. Just over the moon with this.
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Great late pick for us.
This guy has a kick that has to be seen to be believed. He thumps them long and they travel through the air pretty quick.
:lol
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Apparently now 200cm. Good pick up
Is this rampsters boy?
Yeah I liked Miller but I also liked Kruegar. You win some you lose some but seriously happy with our picks this year.
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Huge upside this kid.
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WAT was a fan til he realised he didnt vote extreme right of centre.
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Well he's on our list so welcome
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Miller rounds out draft crop
richmondfc.com.au
24 November 2017
Richmond selected tall utility Ben Miller from Kalgoorlie, WA with their final pick of the 2017 AFL Draft, pick no. 63 overall.
Here is a summary of what Richmond fans can expect to see from Miller...
Ben Miller profile
Date of birth:
Height: 196cm
Weight: 93kg
Position: Tall utility
From: Subiaco (WAFL)
Ben, who is from Kalgoorlie, first displayed his playing talent as a key back for Western Australia in the 2015 under-16 carnival.
During the 2016 season, he played a few games at colts level with Subiaco, as a bottom-age player. This year, he again commuted from Kalgoorlie to play colts footy.
His form was impressive enough in 2017 for him to represent WA at the under-18 national championships, and he played all four games as a ruckman/forward.
Ben is an elite athlete, who was ranked in the top two at the AFL post-season Combine for both speed and agility.
Those attributes are evident in his football, along with an exceptional vertical leap, which enables him to successfully compete as a ruckman against taller opponents.
He also is an excellent penetrating kick and can be extremely damaging with ball in hand.
We feel Ben is still in the early stages of his football development and that he has huge scope for improvement in an AFL environment, considering what he has been able to achieve to this point, while being based in a remote location.
He’s a big, powerful kid, who has the speed, athleticism and skill to develop as a key-position player at either end of the ground.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-11-24/2017-draft-pick-63
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Does he give hands out the back like our old boy Miller? If so we have an absolute gem :clapping
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VIDEOS:
Ben Miller - Deppro Draft Watch: Future Stars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4J67CCjL1Q
Draft Pick 63, Ben Miller: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-11-24/rolandweeks12
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Ben Miller profile
AFLdraftcentral.com.au
DRAFT ANALYSIS: "An athletic ruck and key position player with great speed and agility who just needs to build his endurance and work on his consistency"
Height 196.2cm
Weight 92.6kg
Current Team Subiaco, Western Australia
Birthday August 31, 1999
OVERVIEW
Ben Miller’s size and movement at the National Under 18 Championships attracted recruiters’ eyes and then blew them away with some mind-bogging times at the National Combine. For a 196cm and 93kg key position player and ruck, Miller suddenly caught the attention of AFL supporters when he ran a 2.91 second 20m sprint and 8.10 second agility test. For any player they are elite numbers, but for a player of his size, it truly is a remarkable feat. Along with his speed and agility, Miller has a penetrating kick which he uses to great effect. He does still need to build his endurance and work on his consistency, but with the raw tools he has at his disposal, Miller is expected to find a home late in the draft or in the rookie draft.
STRENGTHS
Speed
Agility
Versatile
Vertical leap
Penetrating kick
Miller’s athleticism is more than just impressive, it is downright defying genetics. Most rucks and key position players who can run and jump like Miller are often beanpoles and while he can add more strength to his frame, he is already a very handy 93kg. He is lightning quick, super agile and has a great vertical leap which makes him a potential ruck prospect as well. His vertical leap testing was solid without being outstanding at the National Combine, but his speed and agility were the highlights of the testing. It threw his name up among AFL supporters wanting to know more about this tall, athletic prospect.
His versatility is a great strength to have, potentially settling down as a key position forward and pinch hitting in the ruck, he has also shown his ability to play back if required and while he has not spent as much time in that elite program as some others having lived in remote Western Australia at Kalgoorlie, he has certainly raised eyebrows this year. Miller also has a penetrating kick which when playing forward can help him kick goals from outside 50, or when down back, break through opposition zones.
IMPROVEMENTS
Consistency
Endurance
The two areas in which Miller can improve are his endurance and consistency. These two areas go hand-in-hand as once Miller develops his endurance, he will improve his consistency week-to-week. Miller ran a 20.6 yo-yo test at the National Combine so in the bottom quarter of participants. He has not had as much time as others developing with the state team and subsequently with Subiaco, so endurance will be a focus heading to an AFL club. Once he is able to build his tank a bit further, he can become a bit of an enigma because of his unique strengths as an athletic tall.
DRAFT PROJECTION: Late pick/rookie
SUMMARY
Ben Miller is expected to be plucked late or in the rookie draft with my prediction late in the National Draft. He has athletic traits which are too good to ignore and while his endurance and consistency need improving, they are areas in which he can do so with a full pre-season under his belt at an AFL club. His penetrating kick will be another weapon that clubs will take notice of and expect him to settle as a key position forward early on, with his ability to pinch-hit in the ruck. If a club decides they would like an athletic key position defender, then Miller is more than capable of filling that void too.
Read more for Miller's U18 WA & Subiaco colts stats: https://www.afldraftcentral.com.au/player/ben-miller/
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Have a look at his last highlight in the video on the RFC website.
Playing as a defender. Long penetrating kick from about 20m in front of goal out to team mate in the open on the back flank/defensive wing.
This guy is a bit of a project, but I don't think it will take him long to settle into being an AFL level player.
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Have a look at his last highlight in the video on the RFC website.
Playing as a defender. Long penetrating kick from about 20m in front of goal out to team mate in the open on the back flank/defensive wing.
This guy is a bit of a project, but I don't think it will take him long to settle into being an AFL level player.
That was a beautiful kick.
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To read his reviews he's the next Buddy. So why did he go so late? There must be something. Maybe he's hopeless with body on body contests? Another Griffs big guy big kick big mark just not in a pack.
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To read his reviews he's the next Buddy. So why did he go so late? There must be something. Maybe he's hopeless with body on body contests? Another Griffs big guy big kick big mark just not in a pack.
Have you seen the highlights on the RFC website? Couple of your concerns are addressed there. Takes a few contested marks, one body on body effort. I know it is only underage footy, but he does do those types of things.
The big knock on him at the moment is that he has poor endurance. But the main reason I think he slid to us is that I think clubs were very wary of drafting ruckman/forward type players, takes Hayes for instance.
I don't think Miller will be a superstar, but he is athletic enough (great agility) to be a good role player/backup in our team.
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Pre-draft article on Miller:
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AFL Draft Profile: Ben Miller
Lenny Fogliani
footyprophet.com
27 October 2017
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Club: Western Australia/Subiaco/Railways (Kalgoorlie)
Height: 196cm
Weight: 98kg
Position: Ruckman
Draft Range: 2nd to 3rd round selection
IN SHORT
Determined
– Travelled to Perth from Kalgoorlie on a weekly basis to play football
Explosive Athlete
– Ranked elite in the Goalkicking test, the Agility test and the 20m sprint
Round 1 Starter
– Played senior football since the age of 15, holding him in good stead
AFL U18 CHAMPIONSHIPS STATISTICS
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2017 WAFL COLTS STATISTICS
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ABOUT
The budding Kalgoorlie star is one of the most explosive key position prospects in this year’s AFL Draft.
He started playing senior football at the age of 15 for his Kalgoorlie team, Railways FC – a club that has produced many outstanding football players, including Dean Kemp, Steve Marsh and Jim Gosnell.
He first came across recruiters’ minds when he was selected in the WA State U16s Academy in 2015. He further enhanced his reputation when he made his debut for the Subiaco Colts in round one of the 2016 season, against Peel Thunder, when he won a game-high 19 possessions. He played a further three games for the Lions and averaged 18 hit-outs, including a dominant 36-hitout performance against East Perth in round 11.
But 2017 was when he left his mark on recruiters’ minds. By the first six rounds of the competition, Miller was sitting fourth in the WAFL Colts Coaches Award after dominant outings against Perth in round 2 (16 possessions, 30 hit-outs, 4 marks, 4 tackles, 2 inside 50s and a goal), West Perth in round 3 (11 possessions, 29 hit-outs, 2 tackles, 2 inside 50s and a goal), and Claremont in round 6 (17 possessions, 17 hit-outs, 4 marks, 3 inside 50s, 2 tackles and 2 goals).
Because of his sublime performances, he was selected in the WA U18s State Academy and he did not disappoint. In the four games, he won the most hit-outs for WA (72), laid the fourth most tackles (16), won the fifth most clearances (8 ), ranked seventh for contested possessions (22), and was in the top twelve for total possessions (42).
His best game came against Vic Metro in round two, when he accumulated 15 possessions (seven contested), won a game-high 28 hit-outs, laid five tackles, won three clearances and kicked a goal. His direct opponents Tristan Xerri and Sam Hayes could only register 26 possessions, 25 hit-outs and a goal between them, such was their inability to negate Miller’s influence.
He also produced solid outings against the Allies (11 possessions – eight contested – 12 hit-outs, five tackles, four inside 50s, three marks, and three clearances), and Vic Country (12 possessions, 18 hit-outs, four tackles, three marks and two clearances).
In his comeback game for the Subiaco Colts in Naidoc Round, he was clearly best afield against Perth with 18 possessions, 44 hit-outs, seven marks, three inside 50s, two tackles and a goal.
He only played another two games for the Lions, against Swan Districts in round 20 (13 possessions and five marks – playing as a key defender) and East Perth in round 23 (16 possessions, 20 hit-outs, two marks, two inside 50s and a goal), as he had to juggle his school commitments back home in Kalgoorlie.
For our interview with Ben, click here (http://footyprophet.com/subiaco-tall-ben-miller-determined-succeed-despite-travel/).
WHY PICK HIM?
For a player of 196 centimetres, Miller is explosive, agile, clean and consistent – traits that make him such a tantalising prospect.
At the AFL National Combine, he came first in the Goalkicking test (30/30), the Agility test (8.10 seconds), and came third in the 20-metre sprint (2.91 seconds).
At this year’s AFL National U18 Championships, Miller recorded 72 hit-outs, the third most by any ruckman in the competition, just behind Allies’ Brayden Crossley (83 hit-outs), and South Australia’s Callum Coleman-Jones (78). While he only played nine games in the WAFL Colts, he recorded the ninth most hit-outs (192 at an average of 21 per game), largely due to his imposing nature.
Miller has also been playing senior football since the age of 15 for his Kalgoorlie team, Railways FC, hence he is ready to match it with the ruckmen in the AFL from round one.
THE QUESTION MARKS?
His big question mark is his size. He only stands at 196 centimetres, while most true ruckmen at AFL level are over 200cm. To combat this, Miller has some awesome athletic traits. He has also demonstrated his versatility by playing as a key forward, and as a key defender for Subiaco throughout 2017.
THE WRAP
For any clubs looking out for a key position prospect, and it would be hard to imagine any clubs that aren’t Miller is well worth looking at.
Because he has been playing senior football since the age of 15, Miller could slot into a club’s best 22 after a strong pre-season such is his maturity, ability and determination.
For his size, he boasts explosive athleticism and beautiful skills, making him a tantalising prospect at this year’s Draft.
http://footyprophet.com/afl-draft-profile-ben-miller/
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Country footy gives Kalgoorlie’s Ben Miller good grounding ahead of AFL draft
Shayne Hope
West Australian
6 October 2017
Teenage draft prospect Ben Miller hopes the rough-and-tumble nature of senior country football has given him a solid grounding for the step up to AFL level, if he is selected in next month’s national draft.
Miller split his time between the ruck and forward line during four games for WA at this year’s national under-18 championships, impressing scouts with his consistency, agility and clean hands.
The product of Subiaco’s country zone, originally from Kalgoorlie club Railways, also attracted attention with his imposing figure.
Miller put a strong case to talent scouts at the national draft combine in Melbourne this week as one of just four players to produce an unblemished score of 30 out of 30 in the goal-kicking test.
South Australian Jordan Houlahan and Victorian duo Angus Schumacher and Jackson Ross were the others.
Miller was also a top performer in the agility test and 20m sprint.
He shared the agility test honours with Victorian Kane Farrell by completing the course in 8.10sec., and ran 2.91sec. over 20m to finish marginally behind overall leader Victorian Jack Petruccelle (2.87).
He checked into the draft combine at 196cm and 98kg after growing about 3cm in the past five months.
“I’d like to hope I’m still growing. It would be good,” Miller said.
“I’m hoping to get a little bit bigger, but if I don’t, it’s no biggy.
“I’m at a pretty good size now.”
Miller played nine colts games for Subiaco this season, travelling to Perth from Kalgoorlie while coping with his Year 12 studies.
He was introduced to senior football in the Goldfields as a 15-year-old.
“It was a good experience to play against bigger bodies,” Miller said.
“The coach called me up and asked if I wanted to play league, and I was like, ‘yeah, absolutely’.
“I was nervous as before the game but the adrenaline kicked in.
“It was our derby round and we got the win against Kangas.
“I played in the ruck and they had some massive boys.
“They were very strong.”
Miller spent time in the WA under-18 set-up under the tutelage of West Coast premiership ruckman Mark Seaby, who aided the youngster’s ruck craft and game sense.
“He took the bigger boys and worked with me non-stop at training,” Miller said.
“He helped me with how to position myself on the oval and how to use my body against opponents in different situations, as well as where to hit the ball and follow-ups.”
Miller got a small taste of the big time when he featured in the under-18 All-Stars match on grand final day. It was the first time he had been to the MCG.
“It was so good to play on the G,” Miller said.
“The boys stuck around to watch the grand final.
“It was just ridiculous. I don’t know how the players do it with all the fans screaming and yelling, but obviously that’s the level you’ve got to get to and keep composed.
“It was a wicked atmosphere.”
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/country-footy-gives-kalgoorlies-ben-miller-good-grounding-ahead-of-afl-draft-ng-b88620565z
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AFL Draft 2017: WA’s fly-in, fly-out prospect Ben Miller ready to take chance
Braden Quartermaine,
PerthNow
19 November 2017
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YOU’VE heard of fly-in, fly-out workers. Now meet WA’s FIFO footballer.
It’s been a case of planes, trains and automobiles for Kalgoorlie teenager Ben Miller this season, as he’s successfully juggled his Year 12 commitments in his hometown with playing footy in Perth.
The talented key position prospect has lost count of the number of times he’s travelled to Perth for training sessions and games, as he combined playing for the Subiaco colts and WA’s under-18 team with league footy in the Goldfields for Railways.
All the effort will be worth it if Miller realises his dream of being drafted into the AFL in either Friday’s national draft or the rookie draft to follow.
Unsure how the footy season would pan out, the 18-year-old opted to remain at school in Kalgoorlie rather than move to Perth.
He ended up spending a six-week stint in the city as he impressed, playing every game for WA in the under-18 championships before earning an invitation to the national draft combine.
Subiaco Football Club became a temporary classroom for the versatile tall during the middle part of the season.
“The option was there to move down to Perth, but I felt like I’m already half-way through my schooling, I may as well stick out the other half and not just put half of it to waste,” Miller said.
“They just sent through everything I needed via a school app and I just sat in the Subiaco office with one of the development coaches in there, Michael Farmer. I did schoolwork throughout the day and then trained in the afternoon.”
Miller was thrilled with what he has achieved this season to jump on to the draft radar but said he wasn’t putting any pressure on himself. “To be honest I’m probably pretty chilled out about it. But as the day gets closer, I’ll probably get a bit more nervous,” he said.
“You obviously don’t want to get ahead of yourself.”
The athletic big man shone at last month’s draft combine, excelling in the agility test, the 20m sprint and the goal-kicking test.
Miller has spent much of his time rucking, but at 196cm looms as a key position option at either end of the ground at the next level.
“I’d like to think I’m still growing. It’s probably not the biggest size to be a ruckman at AFL level but I’m pretty comfortable with the size I’m at now,” he said.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl-draft/afl-draft-2017-was-fly-in-fly-out-prospect-ben-miller-ready-to-take-chance-ng-b88662332z
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Ben Miller has the attributes to be a Full Forward. He is quick, big size for a full forward, and big enough weight wise. Runs well,
from the highlights he's a good lead to mark player, he runs at the footy with intent and is also a good contested mark. I have
really high hopes for him.
Looking at our draft and placing specific positions on players, Miller for a Full Forward spot, which would mean Jack Riewoldt could
hold down CHF and continue to roam around like he already does, Noah Balta to be developed as Key Defender, Callum Coleman-Jones
to be developed as Ruck/Forward, Naish and Higgins well they will find themselves hanging around as midfielders and wings etc.
If Miller comes good for us it would be the best result for us. We need a key forward to takeover from Jack at some point.
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Could play half forward too from the reviews. I still don't get quote why he went so low. It may be as has been said his endurance which lead to his low possession tallies.
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Reading the reviews and watching the highlights, there has to be a catch as to why he went so low? The only blemish they say is he is small for a ruckman in the afl, but there is conjecture that he is in fact 200cm now? Regardless he looks an exciting prospect, he bloody looks like a jet midfielder bursting away from packs in those highlights
Sounds like the perfect prototype of a fwd/relief ruck for nankervis.
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To read his reviews he's the next Buddy. So why did he go so late? There must be something. Maybe he's hopeless with body on body contests? Another Griffs big guy big kick big mark just not in a pack.
Hipwood is the next Buddy..... :shh
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2.91 in the agility test is moving for a 196cm lad
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Everyone raved about McBean's agilty for his size too when we first drafted him...... :shh
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2.91 in the agility test is moving for a 196cm lad
The 2.91 was the 20m sprint which is in the top echelon for his size. His agility of 8.10sec is incredibly nimble for that size too, even more impressive than his straight line speed.
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Everyone raved about McBean's agilty for his size too when we first drafted him...... :shh
Maybe bc he was about 65kg. Not sure McBean was that quick anyhow.
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Everyone raved about McBean's agilty for his size too when we first drafted him...... :shh
Maybe bc he was about 65kg. Not sure McBean was that quick anyhow.
Wasn't slow either and was actually around 85kg when we drafted him.....
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Tigers draft ‘elite’ Miller
The West Australian
Neil Watkinson
27 November 2017
Ben Miller starts pre-season football training this morning with AFL premiers Richmond at the club’s Punt Road base in central Melbourne.
There was no time to waste after the Tigers selected the Kalgoorlie-Boulder 18-year-old with pick No.63 of the AFL National Draft on Friday last week.
Club officials were immediately on the phone to Miller, and they told the Railways Football Club and Subiaco ruckman-forward he was booked on a flight to Melbourne yesterday.
Miller watched the draft at his Lamington home with several other family members and his girlfriend, Finlay McMillan.
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Railways’ Ben Miller in action against Boulder last season.Picture: Louise White / Kalgoorlie Miner
When the Kalgoorlie Miner visited them on Friday night, there was still a feeling among everyone of “is this really happening?”.
The man of the moment said: “Words can’t really describe how I feel right now.”
He said he was delighted Richmond had picked him.
“They are a great club,” he said.
“I can’t wait.”
Miller paid tribute to the support his mother, Leanne, and father, David, had given him.
“Dad taught me how to kick the football,” he said.
Mr Miller said his son’s AFL selection had left him “over the moon”.
Mrs Miller simply said she was “thrilled to bits”.
Miller’s brother Jacob, who plays for WAFL club Subiaco, said the family had realised the AFL dream could become a reality when Miller was selected to play for the WA team at this year’s under-18 National Championships.
Jacob said this put his brother among the top young players in the State, and in a position to catch the eye of recruiters.
Jacob said his brother was a “raw talent”.
“He can burst through the ceiling, but he will need to put the hard work in,” he said.
Richmond said in its website article on Miller that the 196cm, 93kg tall utility was an “elite athlete”.
“We feel Ben is still in the early stages of his football development and that he has huge scope for improvement in an AFL environment, considering what he has been able to achieve to this point, while being based in a remote location,” the club said.
“He’s a big, powerful kid, who has the speed, athleticism and skill to develop as a key-position player at either end of the ground.”
Miller played football in Kalgoorlie-Boulder for Railways, and said they had made a huge contribution to his success. He played in this year’s Railways Football Club premiership team in Goldfields Football League, and made some appearances for Subiaco’s colts team this year. He was one of two Goldfields-Esperance players to be drafted, with West Coast selecting Esperance midfielder Brayden Ainsworth with pick No.32.
Ainsworth, a product of Ports Football Club, played alongside Jacob Miller in Subiaco’s premiership-winning reserves team this year. Subiaco said on its website that Miller and Ainsworth were beneficiaries of the club’s commitment to its regional zone.
“Miller from Kalgoorlie and Ainsworth from Esperance each developed strongly across the past two seasons,” the club said.
“Miller and Ainsworth had been highly regarded at their respective towns, having played senior football as teenagers and each collecting a number of local awards.”
https://thewest.com.au/news/kalgoorlie-miner/tigers-draft-elite-miller-ng-b88671755z
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2017-12-01/meet-our-new-kalgoorlie-recruit
His playing attributes
“My strengths would probably be to create a contest down back because I’ve got a good, running vertical leap on me . . . And then just pace off the backline . . . be able to break through the lines, open up the game a bit more, and propel from the backline.”
Pressure associated with the pre-draft testing
“Doing it a few times in-a-row, you got used to the nerves . . . I set a few goals for myself and tried to reach them or even better them. And I did.”
How he fared during season 2017
“I played a fair few games in Kalgoorlie, where I’m from. And I played a fair few games at Subiaco (in the WAFL) as well. So there was a lot of travel each way trying to play games every weekend . . . By car it’s a seven-hour trip to Perth. So we’d come down on a Friday, then we’d play Saturday, and get back on a Sunday.”
Playing role model
“I like to think I play a little bit like Jarryd Roughead (Hawthorn’s captain) . . . just the way how he’s so versatile around the ground and can go forward, maybe pinch-hit in the ruck every now and then, and could also play down back.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-12-01/ben-miller-in-focus
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Subiaco colts coach Beau Wardman provided a good insight into Miller’s growth as a player and his potential.
“Ben’s development throughout 2017 has been huge,” Wardman said.
“He’s extremely dedicated, managing travel commitments with living in Kalgoorlie and often training in isolation.
“Ben has great athleticism for a big man, and he gave great service to his teammates through his improved ruckwork.
“He also showed he has the ability to turn a game, with his goal sense and overhead marking.
“Ben is a really impressive kid. He’s a confident, young man with great character and care for his peers.
“His willingness to learn, and then implement, is why he has been so successful this year, and only better things are on the horizon for him.”
Subiaco talent manager Michael Farmer was similarly positive about Miller’s football prospects.
“Ben showed great commitment this year with his commute from Kalgoorlie to Perth for training and games,” Farmer said.
“For his age and size, we think Ben is an elite prospect for the next level, who can really grow into a premier big man.
“Great skills and great athleticism for his size, he has the tools to make an impact at the next level.
“He is a tough, strong presence in the ruck, and presents well when forward. And his second, third and fourth efforts are outstanding for a big man.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-12-01/miller-a-gold-prospect
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Just like the sound of this guy. Sounds like he could be a player in the right environment. Might pass a few already at the club....
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Miller at RFC training ...
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https://twitter.com/CameronEGrimes/status/938693790361051136
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Get him on the peptides asap lol
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Anyone know how Ben is travelling Training wise? It would be good to get an update on how all our draftees are handling training.
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Anyone know how Ben is travelling Training wise? It would be good to get an update on how all our draftees are handling training.
Wouldn't be surprised if they are all training the house down
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Anyone know how Ben is travelling Training wise? It would be good to get an update on how all our draftees are handling training.
Bump.
Just wondering if anyone knows if he played on the weekend and if so, how he went.
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Heard he "showed good signs" but not much detail beyond that.
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Heard he "showed good signs" but not much detail beyond that.
Thanks for that. I hadn't heard anything, so wasn't even sure if he had played.
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Anyone know how Ben is travelling Training wise? It would be good to get an update on how all our draftees are handling training.
Wouldn't be surprised if they are all training the house down
I heard a rumor to such effect, much house was trained down
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Miller playing for VFL flag
West Australian
1 Sept 2018
Kalgoorlie-Boulder’s Ben Miller has a strong chance of becoming a VFL premiership player in his first season with Richmond.
Miller’s Tigers finished the 21-round VFL qualifying series as minor premiers, with last Saturday’s eight-goal victory against Frankston Dolphins taking them past the Casey Demons to the top of the ladder on percentage.
Miller, who played in a back pocket during the Frankston match, is likely to feature in the Tigers’ finals campaign, which will take place at the same time the club goes in search of back-to-back AFL premierships.
The VFL flag quest starts this Saturday night with a qualifying final against Williamstown. The Tigers will face stiff competition from Williamstown, who finished fourth but defeated them by seven goals in round 19. Third-placed Geelong also triumphed against Richmond in round 18.
Miller, a 2017 Railways Football Club premiership player in the Goldfields Football League, is being developed into a defender, and Richmond’s VFL website reports have lauded his steady improvement as the season has progressed.
In his assessment of players during the previous match against Williamstown, Richmond’s VFL back line and development coach Ryan Ferguson said of Miller: “(He) stood firm down back, competed well in the air and neutralised a lot of aerial contests.”
A separate report on the match said Miller was “nigh impassable down back”. “Miller’s confidence has risen steadily as the weeks have ticked on and has spiked in the last two weeks,” the report said. “The budding defender was one of the Tigers’ best on a tough day down at Geelong last week, and bettered that performance against a barrage of Williamstown attacking forays.”
Richmond selected Miller with pick No.63 in last year’s AFL National Draft.
https://thewest.com.au/news/kalgoorlie-miner/miller-playing-for-vfl-flag-ng-b88943891z
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2018-11-16/tigers-department-of-youth-miller
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Deserves an opportunity imho. Looking back a couple of us were pretty happy on draft night when we got him.
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As I have said elsewhere, the sun is setting on Astbury's career and I think it's fair to say that the sun shone on his career very kindly given that he always had Rance and Grimes around to work with.
Time to start a changing of the guard.
Balta settled.
Grimes is about to turn 30 and realistically you have to wonder how long he will continue to play at such a high level (you could argue he might already be started to decline).
You'd want Miller to learn from the best we have as well. Get him some games with Grimes for the next 18 months IMO!
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I think Rance should come down to work with our defenders. We could use him as a consultant.
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Selection bombshell as Richmond set to blood debutant
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is expected to turn to his fifth debutant for the season on Thursday night.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/afl-teams-all-the-ins-and-outs-for-round-16/news-story/360254a1716a73dbe1f8bc7d5a4b8ee0
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Selection bombshell as Richmond set to blood debutant
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is expected to turn to his fifth debutant for the season on Thursday night.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/afl-teams-all-the-ins-and-outs-for-round-16/news-story/360254a1716a73dbe1f8bc7d5a4b8ee0
If true, he deserve his opportunity. Has developed in the last 12 months which is credit to him.
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Selection bombshell as Richmond set to blood debutant
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is expected to turn to his fifth debutant for the season on Thursday night.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/afl-teams-all-the-ins-and-outs-for-round-16/news-story/360254a1716a73dbe1f8bc7d5a4b8ee0
Here's the full article:
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is expected to turn to his fifth debutant for the season on Thursday night. But who is it? Early Mail for round 16.
Richmond thinks it has found another diamond in the rough, with key defender Ben Miller in the frame to bolster the backline against Gold Coast on Thursday night.
Fresh injuries to Noah Balta (ankle) and Nathan Broad (ankle) have the West Australian in line to become the club’s sixth debutant this season. Carlton, Gold Coast and Melbourne have blooded just one player each in 2021.
David Astbury is still no certainty to return from a grumbly Achilles and so the Tigers might have to piece together a makeshift backline to combat Suns targets Ben King and Josh Corbett.
But Miller’s sparkling VFL form has had him under discussion at match committee for some time and if he gets the nod it will not be a Steven Bradbury-type debut.
It can be revealed that the Kalgoorlie prospect was firmly in the mix to crack coach Damien Hardwick‘s best 22 long before last weekend’s double blow to Balta and Broad.
Tigers VFL coach Xavier Clarke told News Corp that Miller had come of age this season.
“Benny Miller is one not a lot of people hear about,” Clarke said earlier this month.
“His game has improved dramatically from the end of last year to this year as that key back.
“It’s getting to the point now where we’re talking about him at match committee. Can he play at the level?
“Whereas two years ago he had a little bit more work to do.”
Miller was then named in Richmond’s extended squad against West Coast and enjoyed a career-best VFL game against Sandringham on Saturday.
The 198cm defender collected 119 ranking points, which was easily his best from 42 VFL matches.
Miller racked up six intercept marks, eight intercept possessions, 10 spoils and five tackles in a dominant display.
“The growth in his game is the ability to be able to play on talls, but also smaller medium-sized forwards,” Clarke said.
“He has the ability one-on-one against the bigger boys.”
Under talent boss Blair Hartley and recruiters Matthew Clarke, Francis Jackson and Richard Taylor the Tigers pieced together their premiership backline almost exclusively through the draft’s dumpster.
Liam Baker and Jayden Short were rookie revelations while Broad was taken at pick No.67 and Dylan Grimes in the pre-season draft.
Miller was secured with pick No.63 in 2017 and has since been demoted to the rookie list. Those at Tigerland are quietly confident they might have found another one in Miller.
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Surprise!
We waited until we had no choice and all the pressure will be on him now. Should have a handful of games under his belt already.
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Hopefully he is brought in.
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False alarm.
Unless Miller is named as the sub he isn't debuting. Even if he is the sub then he may not play anyway.
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Ridiculous
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Very surprised and disappointed he wasn't picked.
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Poor decision not to bring him in. Form warranted selection.
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Poor decision not to bring him in. Form warranted selection.
And structure, and development for future, and basically everything.
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Don't agree we need experienced body's now especially in defence with Broad and Balta down we need wins to not rocket science Dave comes in.
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They should've both been picked... :shh
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I do not have an issue with Astbury coming in. What I have an issue with not giving experience to a player whose form at VFL level justifies selection. Given Broad and Balta are out there is nothing to say Miller and Astbury couldn't both be brought in. It would free up Grimes which would help the defence overall.
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Delist pee him off can't play oh wait has he even been seen yet.
No one can defend the selections or non selections that have happened this year. The way we are going about things is like the old days we are drinking our own bath water and we have to learn what succession planning is all about.
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He most definitely needs to play a chunk of games and this was the perfect time for this to happen. The old champion Astbury is not our future. Was too slow now and gives away way too many frees to compensate for his lack of movement/pace. We are not playing for the cup this year so make the hard decisions Dimma!!
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As mentioned by Jobba in the 'changes' thread, Miller will make his debut on Saturday.
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said Miller had improved as a player every year he had been at the Club.
“I can not imagine there are too many players that have walked through the doors and worked as hard to get an opportunity,” he said.
“It is so exciting to see what he can do, (it is) four years in the making.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1003896
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Great to see from what Dikma saying he aren’t getting delisted they got hopes for him.
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My hopes are low.
He couldn't get a game when Astbury went down, nor Balta + Broad together.
They selected Garth ahead of him ffs.
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Got injured at the wrong time. Would have played weeks ago if he was fit :shh
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Really excited to see what Miller brings to the table at senior level.
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Got injured at the wrong time. Would have played weeks ago if he was fit :shh
Yep, spot on
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9R-oNFVcAMtf16?format=jpg&name=large)
6 disposal (4k, 2h, 4c, 3u, 83.3% eff.)
2 marks
0 tackles
4 intercepts
115m gained
3 score involvements
1 free for
0 frees against
93% time on ground.
How did we all see Miller's debut game?
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I thought he was good. Won his one on contests from what i saw. Played maturely isnt a panic merchant. I think he replaces Dave Astbury going forward.
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Garthwaite loses contest, gets thrown around. Miller didn’t look like that today.
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Reminds a lot of early days Grimes. Did rent do much offensively but doesn’t get beaten defensively. Liked him a lot. Something to build on
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Will get better offensively , will also be better for his first run
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I'd keep him for now...will need improve beyond merely being "better than Garthwaite" though.... :shh
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I thought he was good. Won his one on contests from what i saw. Played maturely isnt a panic merchant. I think he replaces Dave Astbury going forward.
Yep :clapping
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Played well and competed hard, albeit against a young forward line too.
I'd keep him for a year and GIVE HIM GAMES.
Still think we did ourselves a disservice not playing him when Dave went down early this year.
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Could be the stopper we need. Let Grimes or Vlas be the free / intercept defender we’ve missed all year.
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Miller has come a long way in his development. Has grown into a man and now uses his big frame to advantage. Would be very happy to see him progress next year and beyond. Has been a long time since we had a defender standing 198 who can match it with the towering tall forwards. Would be so good if he and or Biggie become the support to Balta :pray
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1007831/big-ben-grasps-his-opportunity
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Ben Miller has committed to Richmond for the 2022 season.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1023293
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Good decision. Hope he plays 8 to 12 games this coming season and cements a place for the future.
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Agree it is a good decision. They need to get games into him. Hopefully he is in side in Round one.
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Yep agree he will only get better playing afl now not vfl.
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If balta, grimes, broad, vlas and Tarrant are all fit round 1 then miller isn’t playing unless they move balta fwd.
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If balta, grimes, broad, vlas and Tarrant are all fit round 1 then miller isn’t playing unless they move balta fwd.
True, and I would like to see Balta trialled elsewhere.
If we are going to keep Miller he should be getting games while Grimes and Tarrant are there to support and mentor him.
Balta could be a forward, wing, ruck relief, swingman, pretty much anything.
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If balta, grimes, broad, vlas and Tarrant are all fit round 1 then miller isn’t playing unless they move balta fwd.
True, and I would like to see Balta trialled elsewhere.
If we are going to keep Miller he should be getting games while Grimes and Tarrant are there to support and mentor him.
Balta could be a forward, wing, ruck relief, swingman, pretty much anything.
Grimes nearly 31 and Tarrant nearly 33. We should expect they need to manage their bodies throughout 2022 so I reckon plenty of opportunities for Miller
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Whilst i have doubts im pleased we have kept him. I would still like to find a way to get Bazzo on the list but i cannot see us reaching for him with pick 17?. Reckon pick 27 will be too late.
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The best Christmas present; Oliver Tawhirau Miller.
Congratulations, Ben & Finlay! (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f476.png) (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f49b.png)
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1474627131879542784
:)
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Congrats to Ben and his partner.
Let me be the first one to say, just need him to play 99 more games.
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If balta, grimes, broad, vlas and Tarrant are all fit round 1 then miller isn’t playing unless they move balta fwd.
True, and I would like to see Balta trialled elsewhere.
If we are going to keep Miller he should be getting games while Grimes and Tarrant are there to support and mentor him.
Balta could be a forward, wing, ruck relief, swingman, pretty much anything.
Chuck Gibcus into the equation moving forward and it's going to be interesting to see how all of them eventually fit into the team. Obviously Tarrant will only play for perhaps 2 years tops (?). That still leaves one of Balta, Miller or Gibcus needing to switch to the other end of the ground as we won't be able to play all 3 as key defenders. As you said Andyy, Balta may become the one to swing forward (once Jack retires) or play as a 2nd ruck.
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We’ll most likely lose Grimes and Tarrant by 2024 so I wonder if we don’t leave Balta, Miller and Gibcus as our backline.
It’s a similar structure to 2017 when we had Astbury, Rance and Grimes.
My feeling is that Gibcus intercept marking will really substitute nicely for what Grimes currently brings with Miller’s size replacing Astbury/Tarrant and Balta being the anchor defender.
I worry that we won’t be able to replace Houli - he’s ability to elevate in big games will be missed.
I also worry about Shorty, reckon he was a shadow of his 2019/2020 season in 2021.
Hopefully he’s back on track this year.
Finally, I hope Flossy is over his concussion and knee injuries - he’s ability to play back and be sent forward is a point of difference.
If there’s one guy in defence who I’d switch up into the forward line it’s him.
He’s a lovely mark and a beautiful kick for goal.
Think an improved version of what Caddy did in 2017-18 but with an elevated defensive mindset.
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Miller, Balta, Gibcus
Short, Vlastuin, Rioli/Mansell
Looks OK to me.
Move Baker to the forward line/midfield. Even consider short on a wing.
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Miller, Balta, Gibcus
Short, Vlastuin, Rioli/Mansell
Looks OK to me.
Move Baker to the forward line/midfield. Even consider short on a wing.
In theroy it's great but there is 2 players there with 1 games between them. I would love if it works but can't see it.
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looking two or three years ahead it needs to be all three of Gibcus, Miller, and Balta. If its not it means we are yet to have replacements in the system.
The real trick is to get the likes of Gibcus Miller even Nyuon to 30 or more games over the next three seasons so they have games behind them when Tarrant Grimes retires.
Heres a sliding door moment all three of Nyuon Gibcus and Miller become very reliable solid players for us that then frees Balta up to play Key forward.
Taking Brown and Banks where we did in the draft suggests to me they will be the future medium backs for the club.
We are NOT always going to be contending so in three years time our back half could look like this
Vlastuin - Miller - Gibcus
Banks - Nyuon/Balta - Brown
This year my back 6 depending on how well Miller develops would go
Stack - Miller - Grimes
Broad - Tarrant - Vlastuin.
That would free up Balta to play as a key forward making just three on the entire list giving immediate depth and cover and also giving us a likely long term replacement for Jack. Of course that is all speculation and depends on Miller stepping up in his fourth year.
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Coaches' Corner: Summer Snippets - Ben Miller
Richmond assistant coach, Adam Kingsley, provides an update on the development of Ben Miller.
WATCH HERE: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1061605/coaches-corner-summer-snippets-ben-miller?videoId=1061605&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1645315200001
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Miller has some very goods attributes so it is good to hear that he will be given the opportunity to stake his claim to a defensive spot this year
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Did his job needs games like what he offers.
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Did his job needs games like what he offers.
Agree
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Was impressed with him today.
Well done Ben 👏
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Has matured and the results are evident :clapping
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Was excellent. We've found a player here. Will be walk up start soon.
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Was impressed with him today.
Well done Ben 👏
Ben Dover and take a bow.
Great game
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Played well but will unfortunately lose his spot to Grimes... :shh
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Apart from losing a couple of one v ones thought he was servicable.
I still think the answer to getting games into both him and Gibcus is sliding Broad up to the wing.
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I think he was pretty fortunate they didn't try to isolate Hogan but the kid did alright when he was in the contest
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Im a fan. His 3rd quarter where he had 2 bad contests were his only blemishes for mine and one of those he was bumped out of the contest by Hogan and the 2nd he just misjudged the flight of the footy. Other than that he did well. We should all remember GWS only kicked 10 goals. Our whole defence was very good.
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Like what I'm seeing with him along with Gibcus and Biggie could be our spine for the next decade.
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Ben Miller was terrific tonight. Excellent for a 3rd gamer. Won his contests. Looking like a long term player.
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Not sure why garthwaite got games ahead of him. Looks very sound defensively and importantly comfortable with the ball in hand.
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Good signs. Could be a player.
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Looked great.
Biggie won't be getting games ahead of this guy.
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Looked great.
Biggie won't be getting games ahead of this guy.
Agree 100%
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Absolutely lock for post Grimes and Tarrant era. Challenge will be ensuring his development and worth is high for next 2 years. Feel like he's too good to waste at VFL.
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Looked great.
Biggie won't be getting games ahead of this guy.
Agree 100%
Miller finally starting to look a likely type..but Biggie will be even better.... :shh
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Looked great.
Biggie won't be getting games ahead of this guy.
Agree 100%
Miller finally starting to look a likely type..but Biggie will be even better.... :shh
Maybe but at the moment Miller is showing the composure of a long term player and Biggie seems a little way off still.
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Looked great.
Biggie won't be getting games ahead of this guy.
Agree 100%
Miller finally starting to look a likely type..but Biggie will be even better.... :shh
Might be room for both of them eventually but I watched most of the VFL match yesterday and wasn't too convinced with Biggie. Hopefully he comes good in the next 2 years before Tarrant retires or breaks down.
Backline of Gibcus, Miller and Biggie could work. Still have youthful smalls in Short, Rioli, Mansell. Vlastuin and Broad still around.
Probably just Grimes and Tarrant moving on in that timeframe you'd think.
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Surely we won't be dropping Miller even when Grimes gets back or Vlastuin as well.
keep on harping on it but we need to find a way to get the games into both Miller and Gibcus as talls, and Mansell and the only way for that to happen is rejigging the back line to allow it.
Still think the best and obvious move would be to just roll Broad up to a wing, that would mean dropping McIntosh or starting him on the bench.
Maybe it would be time to revisit Vlastuin as a mid we just don't have any big bodied ones like him if he played there.We need to play Mansell or run the risk of him looking for a game with another team.
Miller Gibcus and Mansell are the future and imo all three need to be getting games.
Back half at some stage has to go like this.
B: Mansell - Tarrant - Grimes who plays small/med and is still one of our best players covering smaller types.
HB:Rioli - Miller - Gibcus
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Agree on Miller and Gibcus but its going to depend on matchups as we are looking a bit top heavy at times.
Soldo currently paying in the VFL for example.
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Agree on Miller and Gibcus but its going to depend on matchups as we are looking a bit top heavy at times.
Soldo currently paying in the VFL for example.
Rance and later Balta , Astbury grimes Broad is exactly the same structure as Tarrant, Miller Grimes Gibcus.
To allow that same structure we simply roll Broad up to a wing thus getting games into the two young talls who don't look out of place.
Broad or McIntosh its a no brainer Broad every day of the week even on a wing.
What it means is a preparedness to make the odd shuffle to accomodate the kids and for once making a hard call on an average but favorite player something that they have been found wanting in imo.
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Mansell's kicking has to improve a lot if he is part of our future.
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Mansell's kicking has to improve a lot if he is part of our future.
Agree...atm he looks to be one of those classic "good ordinary" honest type players that we get on the cheap, makes a good early impression, initially outperforms a few more fancied players & higher picks so everyone tends to overrate before they get found out and either come back to the field or fade away... :shh
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Miller back for his first game since Round 5 replacing Gibcus who's ill.
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Good in.
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Good for Gibcus to rest anyway
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Millers been hard done by. Hes done beautifully in the twos. Id roll Vlastuin into a midfield role and Miller plays in defence.
Miller has done 1 or 2 things in VFL games that I actually loved seeing.
Running from the back of the square at centre bounces at full pelt, he scattered the opposition mids, on one occasion he got the footy ran through everyone to just outside 50 and long bombed it post high for a goal. He is a weapon at 197cm runs like the wind and kicks it easy over50 or 60 metres we need to find a way to use him. That midfield stuff was terrific but what we need to know is can he do it at AFL level and can he do it more often.
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Millers been hard done by. Hes done beautifully in the twos. Id roll Vlastuin into a midfield role and Miller plays in defence.
Miller has done 1 or 2 things in VFL games that I actually loved seeing.
Running from the back of the square at centre bounces at full pelt, he scattered the opposition mids, on one occasion he got the footy ran through everyone to just outside 50 and long bombed it post high for a goal. He is a weapon at 197cm runs like the wind and kicks it easy over50 or 60 metres we need to find a way to use him. That midfield stuff was terrific but what we need to know is can he do it at AFL level and can he do it more often.
We’ve tried this before. Vlas is a defender through and through.
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Yeah but we should try again.
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Has sublime kicking skills.
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Millers been hard done by. Hes done beautifully in the twos. Id roll Vlastuin into a midfield role and Miller plays in defence.
Miller has done 1 or 2 things in VFL games that I actually loved seeing.
Running from the back of the square at centre bounces at full pelt, he scattered the opposition mids, on one occasion he got the footy ran through everyone to just outside 50 and long bombed it post high for a goal. He is a weapon at 197cm runs like the wind and kicks it easy over50 or 60 metres we need to find a way to use him. That midfield stuff was terrific but what we need to know is can he do it at AFL level and can he do it more often.
We’ve tried this before. Vlas is a defender through and through.
Yep. Great defender, very average mid
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What did we think of Miller's return to the seniors?
9 disposals (6k, 3h, 3c, 4u, 100% eff.)
3 marks
2 tackles
6 intercepts
240 metres gained
1 score involvement
94% time on ground
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Thought he was servicable really needs continuity imo.
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Thought he was good 👍
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Did well,
He and Tarrant held the bsckline together at times
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A keeper.
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Thought he was solid.
Apparently Biggie is superior so with Balta and Gibcus there too it sounds like we are set for a decade or more.
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I thought he was ok. Should have played on Chol from the first bounce.
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AFL website saying Miller has a groin injury? I heard second hand that he was take off due to cramping?
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Probably just to get MR on. Will be fine haha.
Nice tackle
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AFL website saying Miller has a groin injury? I heard second hand that he was take off due to cramping?
On Twitter they are saying RFc bench said groin, Dimma in his presser said cramping and calf
Don't need to be Einstein to know what happened
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‘He couldn’t move’: Tigers explain sub call as contentious rule sparks debate amid thrilling finish
David Zita
Fox Sports
July 22nd, 2022 11:57 pm
Richmond defender Nathan Broad says Ben Miller was subbed out with “full body cramps” in the final quarter of Friday night’s draw with Fremantle at Marvel Stadium.
Miller - a key defender - was subbed off for small forward Maurice Rioli Jr midway through the final term but Miller’s ailment wasn’t immediately clear to viewers, with some sceptical of the move.
Speaking to foxfooty.com.au post-game, Broad provided insight on the youngster’s issue.
“Benny Miller had the full body cramps. He just couldn’t move,” he said.
“He could not move. He genuinely could not move. His whole body had shut down.
“He went off and then I thought Grimesy (Dylan Grimes) had pinged his hammy but he said it was just his glute, a little knock, so he’ll be right.”
Broad said young teammate Thomson Dow also suffered from the same issue “a couple of years ago”.
In his post-match press conference, Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said: “I think he had calf ... and was cramping quite significantly towards the end, but I think he tightened up in his calf as well.”
“Might be OK, I’m not too sure, I haven’t gotten a response yet.”
Herald Sun reporter Jon Ralph told Fox Footy that Miller was subbed off with a “groin injury”, while Matthew Richardson told channel seven Miller “was having his groins worked on earlier”.
“There’s always going to be suspicion around these changes because they seem so tactical in terms of the timing of it ... it’s why you’d love the AFL to make a decision cut and dried, they either miss the next week or they can be subbed whenever they want because there’s always suspicion about it.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/he-couldnt-move-tigers-explain-sub-call-as-contentious-rule-sparks-debate-amid-thrilling-finish/news-story/90a2a2fe5681e85e2a6aa191b6c03730
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Why was he subbed Soldo should have come off.
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Theyre saying he was cramping or had an ankle. Truth is it was a strategic mistake. Nank or soldo shoukd of come off. Hardwicks not coaching well at the moment.
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Theyre saying he was cramping or had an ankle. Truth is it was a strategic mistake. Nank or soldo shoukd of come off. Hardwicks not coaching well at the moment.
Midway through the last you could see him struggling to move and keep defending. Played well nevertheless. Strange move to play Nank as a key forward, and you could tell he was a fish out of water.
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With the medical sub you don't get to choose which player to take off. Its not a tactical opportunity, its a necessity. Miller had to come off & what choice was there?
Suggesting that we cheat the sub rule is ... well ... you reap what you sow ...
Ch7 were trying to raise suspicion that we pulled a tactical move by subbing Miller, so watch this space. Now that trial by media is in progress expect the AFL to weigh up the case & then go with the Ch7 'evidence' of Miller sitting on the bench with no ice packs on.
I really feel that Maurice should be in the 22 every week & never be the medical sub.
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Think he has been more than servicable and for me its an indictment that we have been so loath to play him.
The more games he gets the better for them he will become.
Dunno about others but going by comments here some think Soldo was poor. I thought he was good especially first half and given there still is no Lynch i thought they actually got the structure right by playing Nankervis mostly fwd.
At the very least Nank was always going to drag a key defender away from Noah and Jack.
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Should never have got Tarrant and fixtured Miller into best 22.
Tarrant has been great last month mind you, but crap list decision with where our needs are at with our depth.
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I actually think the numbers for key defenders are spot on. I also think getting Tarrant a smart and astute move. I just wish we did a similar thing with a key fwd and took a kid in the draft mirroring what we did with Tarrant and Gibcus.
People need to remember Astbury had just retired Garthwaite was delisted and neither Tarrant or Gibcus were at the club.
We took Tarrant in trade period before the nd and did not know if a kpd would be available to us.
On top of this neither Miller or Nyuon had shown much and people were talking of delisting and Grimes was 30 and now 31 and imo is not really a kpd..
Tarrant will retire at the end of next year and so could grimes id like us to look at another kpd before that happens.
Kpd on the list
Tarrant 33yo 196/96
Balta 22yo 194/100. With a dearth of key forwards and i realise people don't like the idea but he may be a longer term fwd.
Miller 22yo 198/96. Only really this has he shown he should be persevered with.
Nyuon 21yo 197/93 Not sure if he will make it personally have my doubts.
Gibcus 19yo 196/87. Have to remember while drafted as a KPD he is not a kpd atm. It will take a couple of more seasons to get the size and Strength to properly play the role.That is a young group and take Tarrant out it is inexperienced.
In a years time the numbers will be spot on when Tarrant retires. Because of question marks over Nyuon thats why id like us to target another kpd.
Tall defenders
Grimes 31yo 193/91. While capable of playing kp he is really the third tall or utility capable of playing smaller.
Broad 29yo 192/87 if there is no one else we could throw him in as a kp not ideal. Like grimes is more suited to play on like sized and smaller fwds.
Would not mind having a similar type and size as these two developing in the system.
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Miller been solid. Ahead of biggie and an absolute keeper IMO
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Tarrant is now settled, knows our game and is teaching the kids in the backline . He is a good pick up and is earning his money.
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I actually think the numbers for key defenders are spot on. I also think getting Tarrant a smart and astute move. I just wish we did a similar thing with a key fwd and took a kid in the draft mirroring what we did with Tarrant and Gibcus.
People need to remember Astbury had just retired Garthwaite was delisted and neither Tarrant or Gibcus were at the club.
We took Tarrant in trade period before the nd and did not know if a kpd would be available to us.
On top of this neither Miller or Nyuon had shown much and people were talking of delisting and Grimes was 30 and now 31 and imo is not really a kpd..
Tarrant will retire at the end of next year and so could grimes id like us to look at another kpd before that happens.
Kpd on the list
Tarrant 33yo 196/96
Balta 22yo 194/100. With a dearth of key forwards and i realise people don't like the idea but he may be a longer term fwd.
Miller 22yo 198/96. Only really this has he shown he should be persevered with.
Nyuon 21yo 197/93 Not sure if he will make it personally have my doubts.
Gibcus 19yo 196/87. Have to remember while drafted as a KPD he is not a kpd atm. It will take a couple of more seasons to get the size and Strength to properly play the role.That is a young group and take Tarrant out it is inexperienced.
In a years time the numbers will be spot on when Tarrant retires. Because of question marks over Nyuon thats why id like us to target another kpd.
Tall defenders
Grimes 31yo 193/91. While capable of playing kp he is really the third tall or utility capable of playing smaller.
Broad 29yo 192/87 if there is no one else we could throw him in as a kp not ideal. Like grimes is more suited to play on like sized and smaller fwds.
Would not mind having a similar type and size as these two developing in the system.
Absolutely agree in theory however when saying up how full our cap was and looking at KPF vs KPD stocks we are way down on KPF vs KPD. We really only could have afforded one FA top up players and IMO our greater need was a KPF like a Ben Brown type to support Lynch and Jack. Ideally we did both as you said but I'm sure our cap played a part in it, and the fact they saw Balta as a swing type. I understand it but would have preferred the latter.
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Are clubs taking the mickey with the sub rule? Why the AFL needs to bin it now:
Maurice Rioli Jr gave the Tigers a spark when he was subbed on late, but how serious was Ben Miller’s injury?
Why the AFL needs to bin the rule.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYaQDSLagAAR38w?format=jpg&name=small)
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-round-19-we-name-our-likes-and-dislikes-in-this-weekends-edition-of-the-early-tackle/news-story/baf327f3f8473a0e13d2840d97e4d64f
Anyone else notice this only being a talking point when we sub a player but none of the others get a mention? This rule was always going to be manipulated & should be scrapped!
https://twitter.com/Jonesracing82/status/1551087321185153025
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The whinging is pathetic. All teams do it.
Simple fix - player subbed misses 1 game.
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The whinging is pathetic. All teams do it.
Simple fix - player subbed misses 1 game.
No the simple fix is bet rid of it
Originally it was supposed to be a concussion sub, then the AFL in typical AFL fashion changed it to appease Clubs and the AFLPA and now we have the nonsense we have now
Get rid of it, then there is no way it can be manipulated
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The whinging is pathetic. All teams do it.
Simple fix - player subbed misses 1 game.
No the simple fix is bet rid of it
Originally it was supposed to be a concussion sub, then the AFL in typical AFL fashion changed it to appease Clubs and the AFLPA and now we have the nonsense we have now
Get rid of it, then there is no way it can be manipulated
Absolutely agree with this. More garbage from the AFL.
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The whinging is pathetic. All teams do it.
Simple fix - player subbed misses 1 game.
No the simple fix is bet rid of it
Originally it was supposed to be a concussion sub, then the AFL in typical AFL fashion changed it to appease Clubs and the AFLPA and now we have the nonsense we have now
Get rid of it, then there is no way it can be manipulated
I don't mind how it's fixed, either way works for me.
Scrap or miss a game, as long as it's equal for all and then there's no complaining about who used it correctly or not.
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The whole interchange & sub rules are actually the problem! Teams will always argue there should be more interchange players - from 2 to 3, then to 4 & so on all the way up to 20. Then the sub player was only for replacing concussed players, the poor sub has now become another interchange player! The whole thing is a rort, a rubbish arms race that benefits nobody! The only way out is to reset & start from scratch ...
I give teams 2 interchange players & 1 sub who can only be used to replace an injured player who is out of the game & automatically misses next week too. Cap interchanges at 4 per quarter. Injuries will happen - suck it up!
If teams run out of legs then they might have to stop the forward presses with zoning & endlessly running up & down the ground. Some smart team might actually rest players on the ground, deep in the forward half or even deep in defence. Teams might actually retain a structure with forwards, defenders & a small number of followers who have 4 interchanges between them per quarter to spread the load. Players can only be so fit, but players & coaches can be smarter & not trigger another arms race.
It is coaches who cause this, maybe coaches can fix it!
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Personally think we keep it. Can't have clubs avoiding concussion protocols to avoid being disadvantaged also Port with Butters. That was ridiculous.
Some adjustments I'd make. If a team makes a medical sub. The opposition are allowed to sub a player out for any reason. This should avoid any advantage a medical sub gives regardless whether it legit reason or not.
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The whole interchange & sub rules are actually the problem! Teams will always argue there should be more interchange players - from 2 to 3, then to 4 & so on all the way up to 20. Then the sub player was only for replacing concussed players, the poor sub has now become another interchange player! The whole thing is a rort, a rubbish arms race that benefits nobody! The only way out is to reset & start from scratch ...
I give teams 2 interchange players & 1 sub who can only be used to replace an injured player who is out of the game & automatically misses next week too. Cap interchanges at 4 per quarter. Injuries will happen - suck it up!
If teams run out of legs then they might have to stop the forward presses with zoning & endlessly running up & down the ground. Some smart team might actually rest players on the ground, deep in the forward half or even deep in defence. Teams might actually retain a structure with forwards, defenders & a small number of followers who have 4 interchanges between them per quarter to spread the load. Players can only be so fit, but players & coaches can be smarter & not trigger another arms race.
It is coaches who cause this, maybe coaches can fix it!
Agree with this 100%.
16 interchanges per game only would get it back to 90s footy.
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The whole interchange & sub rules are actually the problem! Teams will always argue there should be more interchange players - from 2 to 3, then to 4 & so on all the way up to 20. Then the sub player was only for replacing concussed players, the poor sub has now become another interchange player! The whole thing is a rort, a rubbish arms race that benefits nobody! The only way out is to reset & start from scratch ...
I give teams 2 interchange players & 1 sub who can only be used to replace an injured player who is out of the game & automatically misses next week too. Cap interchanges at 4 per quarter. Injuries will happen - suck it up!
If teams run out of legs then they might have to stop the forward presses with zoning & endlessly running up & down the ground. Some smart team might actually rest players on the ground, deep in the forward half or even deep in defence. Teams might actually retain a structure with forwards, defenders & a small number of followers who have 4 interchanges between them per quarter to spread the load. Players can only be so fit, but players & coaches can be smarter & not trigger another arms race.
It is coaches who cause this, maybe coaches can fix it!
Agree with this 100%.
16 interchanges per game only would get it back to 90s footy.
Yeah, I know its only a half way measure, with some good & some bad but I was tempted to say 4 reserves (pre-interchange days) & that would be it, but I think player welfare needs to be considered. I don't want to see a bloke roll an ankle but can't come off to get it checked so he hobbles around in the goal square until quarter time.
I think give clubs 16 interchanges for the game, but let them decide when they use them rather than a set number per quarter. Resting a player in a pocket & banking an interchange for the last quarter could be interesting!
The main point was low interchange numbers that stop the merry-go-round from the bench & tire players out naturally to stop the flooding & zoning.
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If a bloke is knocked out with 5-10min to go in the game then what?
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If a bloke is knocked out with 5-10min to go in the game then what?
That's what the sub is for, if he's already on then you go with one interchange player for 10 minutes ...
I have seen sides play out games one short (17 on the field) & still win. Injuries happen ... suck it up ...
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The whole interchange & sub rules are actually the problem! Teams will always argue there should be more interchange players - from 2 to 3, then to 4 & so on all the way up to 20. Then the sub player was only for replacing concussed players, the poor sub has now become another interchange player! The whole thing is a rort, a rubbish arms race that benefits nobody! The only way out is to reset & start from scratch ...
I give teams 2 interchange players & 1 sub who can only be used to replace an injured player who is out of the game & automatically misses next week too. Cap interchanges at 4 per quarter. Injuries will happen - suck it up!
If teams run out of legs then they might have to stop the forward presses with zoning & endlessly running up & down the ground. Some smart team might actually rest players on the ground, deep in the forward half or even deep in defence. Teams might actually retain a structure with forwards, defenders & a small number of followers who have 4 interchanges between them per quarter to spread the load. Players can only be so fit, but players & coaches can be smarter & not trigger another arms race.
It is coaches who cause this, maybe coaches can fix it!
Agree with this 100%.
16 interchanges per game only would get it back to 90s footy.
Yeah, I know its only a half way measure, with some good & some bad but I was tempted to say 4 reserves (pre-interchange days) & that would be it, but I think player welfare needs to be considered. I don't want to see a bloke roll an ankle but can't come off to get it checked so he hobbles around in the goal square until quarter time.
I think give clubs 16 interchanges for the game, but let them decide when they use them rather than a set number per quarter. Resting a player in a pocket & banking an interchange for the last quarter could be interesting!
The main point was low interchange numbers that stop the merry-go-round from the bench & tire players out naturally to stop the flooding & zoning.
Exactly. You don't want to see all 36 players in one half of the ground anymore. Let's see a FF and FB line up on each other all game like they used to. The only way to do it is as you describe--obliterate interchange numbers so it's simply not possible for players to cover the ground, then they have to tether themselves to a position on the ground.
Unlimited interchanges works in ice hockey because the arena is so small and the game is so fluid that the concept of positions on the ice is barely relevant, so you want the players going out at high intensity for 60-120 seconds at a time. If you suddenly stopped interchanges in NHL the ice would still be a mess of players. But in AFL you can make the game look aesthetically pleasing by limiting interchanges and spreading the players out around the ground.
I prefer this solution to another i have heard--eliminating wingers so there are only 16 players on the ground. Limiting interchanges basically just reverts the game 25 years by force without undermining anything fundamental about the game.
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Get the latest @pilothealth1 Medical Update on Tom Lynch, Dustin Martin, Jack Ross and Samson Ryan ahead of Round 20.
Ben Miller not mentioned…
Thats odd considering he had cramps as well as a calf, groin and hamstring injury.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1551822267713064960
Other clubs have players subbed out returning the following week yet the media only sooks about us ::).
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If a bloke is knocked out with 5-10min to go in the game then what?
That's what the sub is for, if he's already on then you go with one interchange player for 10 minutes ...
I have seen sides play out games one short (17 on the field) & still win. Injuries happen ... suck it up ...
Thought you were suggesting no sub + only 16 interchanges. So what if a bloke is concussed or injured and there's no interchanges left? Let them make one more or play a man down?
Same thing, teams will fake it to make one more sub or interchange etc
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Personally think we keep it. Can't have clubs avoiding concussion protocols to avoid being disadvantaged also Port with Butters. That was ridiculous.
Some adjustments I'd make. If a team makes a medical sub. The opposition are allowed to sub a player out for any reason. This should avoid any advantage a medical sub gives regardless whether it legit reason or not.
So a bloke tears a hammy off the bone and the opposition gets a free sub? Doesn’t stack up.
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Personally think we keep it. Can't have clubs avoiding concussion protocols to avoid being disadvantaged also Port with Butters. That was ridiculous.
Some adjustments I'd make. If a team makes a medical sub. The opposition are allowed to sub a player out for any reason. This should avoid any advantage a medical sub gives regardless whether it legit reason or not.
So a bloke tears a hammy off the bone and the opposition gets a free sub? Doesn’t stack up.
It's not a free sub. If an team has a player who gets injured and is allowed to come off for fresh legged sub (Miller for Rioli), I think it's only fair that then triggers the opposition to be allowed to use their sub for any reason to balance out the advantage the injured club gets. They don't have to use it and save it for a genuine injury, or concussion or they can choose to not use it and wait for an injury to occur.
I mean thats the core of the issue with Rioli and Miller is that regardless of Miller being injured or not we had a fresh speedy player come on in dying stages. Now its up for debate whether it was a grey area or not but I think we'd all agree it was advantageous to us. Cut the grey area and have a rule that would allow us to use our sub cause Freo had already used theirs and got Coyler on which, fresh legs was advantageous for them at the time.
I think it would be fairer to unlock the sub
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Very simple
If someone is subbed off they shouldn’t be available for selection the following week
Not that this would deter shenanigans in a GF .. but during the season it might
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Very simple
If someone is subbed off they shouldn’t be available for selection the following week
Not that this would deter shenanigans in a GF .. but during the season it might
Don't like it - what if you're subbed off in a prelim because of a bad migraine? Sorry mate, you're perfectly fine, but you miss the GF.
Just make the sub activatable at any time for any reason, and once one team activates a sub, the other team can also. Of course that leads to tactical selections, but that's not bad IMO.
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Just get rid of the sub altogether. If a player can’t take any further part in the game and a team is left down 1 rotation then that’s unfortunate but that’s footy. It wasn’t a problem for decades and now with more rotations allowed and players fitter than ever I don’t see the need for it.
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Just to get this thread back on track our club should be sugning Ben to a 2yr or 3yr deal. I think hes getting better with games played. I wouldnt risk losing a 197cm key back whose 22yo. Theyre bloody hard to find.
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Just to get this thread back on track our club should be sugning Ben to a 2yr or 3yr deal. I think hes getting better with games played. I wouldnt risk losing a 197cm key back whose 22yo. Theyre bloody hard to find.
Ben is currently on the rookie list & has been since November 2020
I agree , need to keep
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With all the retirements they should put him on the main list with a new contract.
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Absolutely, he looks very promising and will only develop with senior games.
We should have Gibgus spend the pre-season learn the forward structures so he can be a swing man too, plenty of comparisons to Peter Knights.
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Richmond subs used 2022
Prestia subbed R1 missed next 2
Dow subbed R2 played next week
Grimes subbed R3 missed next 3
R4 no sub used
Ralphsmith subbed R5 missed next 3
Dow subbed R6 missed next week
Prestia subbed R7 missed next week
R8 no sub used
Balta subbed R9 missed next 2
Lambert subbed R10 missed next week
R11 no sub used
R13 no sub used
R14 Balta subbed missed next 3
R15 Prestia subbed missed next week
R16 Martin subbed hasn't played since
R17 Lynch subbed hasn't played since
R18 Gibcus subbed played VFL next week
R19 Miller subbed ???? for R20
So Thomson Dow & Gibcus are the only 2 Richmond players who was subbed out of a game that played the following week, yet Richmond are the ones that are being branded as cheats and bending the rules to advantage.
https://twitter.com/P_T_Ager/status/1552167143289933824
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The AFL has cleared the air on one of footy's most controversial issues from round 19. Live now is @_AMcCormack7 with all the details. #7AFL #7NEWS
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1552216524706181120
Brad Scott to @7NewsMelbourne on Tiger Ben Miller being available for this week after he was subbed:
“AFL Chief Medical officer has reviewed with Richmond’s club doctor and is comfortable with his explanation and clinical diagnosis.”
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1552228487909363713
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Dimma was asked about Miller today:
"Not too sure [he will play] yet. He did a little bit of a run through on Tuesday. He'll be limited in some aspects today. So we'll have to wait and see how that goes. What I will say though ... we find it quite challenging at stages that a medical practitioner is challenged with respect to the sub. Ben had an incident in the first quarter; he had pain management before the game; he had pain management during the game; and the fact of the matter is we make the decision that either Ben can try and push on and possibly end up missing two weeks or we can get Ben off. So our personal decision is we prefer that player to play the next following week. I don't know why it became a bit of a Richmond thing but the fact of the matter is there's lots of players that got subbed off last week that will possibly play this week. So from our point of view it's a non issue."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1182987/hardwick-previews-brisbane
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I’m really liking this second ruck role for Miller. Competing well in the ruck contest and good when the ball hits the deck. Can also move into defence or the forward line (although yikes at that set shot) should the game dictate it or we cop an injury to one of our kps.
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He shanked it. Normally a very good kick.
Looking very versatile. No reason to play a guy like Grimes if we win some finals.
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Yeah he's normally a great kick at goal. Versatile and aerobic moves well always been that.
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Two year extension signed!
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1194621/i-m-really-happy-to-be-here-miller
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“Ben has been with us for five years and put in a lot of hard work in that time,” Hartley said.
“He has shown he can play a variety of roles- down back, in the ruck and he has spent some time forward as well.
“This extension is a great reward for his effort and we look forward to that continuing.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1194596/emerging-trio-sign-richmond-extensions
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So does this extension mean he’s off the rookie list now? Not sure how it works.
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I'm liking Miller gives us so much flexibility.
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Don’t think he’s come up against a top-tier ruckman yet but I haven’t really seen him get constantly beaten. More than holding his own and as Georgies says give us so much flexibility as he can play at either end.
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Versatile!
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I dont think its fair to judge him on whether hes come up againt a top tier ruck. Hes job is to be competitive against the 2nd rucks and help out wherever he can.
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Agree Ramps. Playing a very important role.
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Has good ruck knowledge and leap which is pleasing. Due to being mobile, he provides a contest straight after ball ups. Love his progression :clapping
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Wonder if he could replace jack.
Have gibcus, Balta down back. Tarrant and Grimes for another year still.
Wonder if Knighter still thinks Biggie is better or has a higher ceiling?
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Two year extension signed!
Has done well to get the extension. Imo without a doubt still has to find another couple of gears.
I scratch my head and wonder where he would be if given more opportunity. It also has me wonder why we drafted a kid who played forward and ruck and we insisted on turning him into a backman when we have lacked tall fwds.
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Super Pick. A great Athlete could be anything. Just a great late pick. Just over the moon with this.
Going beautifully.
I only posted this so I could say I told you so lol ;D
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Super Pick. A great Athlete could be anything. Just a great late pick. Just over the moon with this.
Going beautifully.
I only posted this so I could say I told you so lol ;D
I'm coming around. Might be bumping this myself in 6-12 months!
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Going through the all the cubs in their finals debut last night.
Thought's on Miller's game?
He spent less the half the game on the ground. Only Prestia (injured) and sub Edwards spent more time on the pine.
8 disposals (3k, 5h, 7c, 1u, 62.5% eff.)
3 marks (all contested)
4 tackles (2 in50 tackles)
2 clearances (both centre clearances)
1 inside 50
14 hitouts
1 intercept
5 metres gained
1 score involvement
46% time on ground
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Thought his tap work was better than Nanks
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Agree he should have played more game time.
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No surprise that reason we got 3 goals up in the 3rd coincided when young Ben went in the ruck
Put Nank to shame with he centre ruck work
Spent far too much time on the pine
A very good young footballer is Ben Miller
One of the positives of 2022
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46. Ben Miller
Played mainly in defence but also had stints in the ruck. Overall limited time on the ground, but had 14 hit-outs and three contested marks.
Foxsports rating: 5
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-finals-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-brisbane-lions-second-elimination-final-highlights-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/7fc45960b9d79ca09461c1ff3de0ff76
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Reckon if they have the will we have found our second ruck third tall fwd.
Looks good in the ruck and has some real good attributes to play the third tall fwd role. Just needs to keep on getting better and hopefully gets real good in one of the roles.
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Reckon if they have the will we have found our second ruck third tall fwd.
Looks good in the ruck and has some real good attributes to play the third tall fwd role. Just needs to keep on getting better and hopefully gets real good in one of the roles.
Agree claw. As I said in the nankervis thread, barring one or two ruckman in the league, ruck is the most overrated position in the team. Imo Miller has shown he is more than capable of playing that second ruck role and provides great versatility to play back/forward depending on what each game dictates.
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Ben also tying the knot :).
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Love is in the air at Tigerland!
Congrats, Ben & Finlay (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f48d.png) (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f970.png)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkUWxBBUEAAeOxO?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1604713880785014784
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Congratulations Ben!
Jeepers his Mrs is tall isn't she? Will have tall kiddos!
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Ruckmen.
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Congratulations Ben!
Jeepers his Mrs is tall isn't she? Will have tall kiddos!
Yes Andy. Yes!
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Cool as a cucumber. :clapping
Should be playing every week.
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Cool as a cucumber. :clapping
Should be playing every week.
I agree just don’t know what position
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Cool as a cucumber. :clapping
Should be playing every week.
I agree just don’t know what position
Maybe that’s the beauty of him?
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Cool as a cucumber. :clapping
Should be playing every week.
I agree just don’t know what position
Maybe that’s the beauty of him?
Honestly...wing.
Tall, can mark, deceptively fast.
Can swing back or forward.
Ruck backup.
If he has some development in him he could be a Kmart Blicavs sort.
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Gun utility. :shh
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Outstanding game
Could be the making of him :clapping
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Wonderful game
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Bontmiller
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The Undroppable: Ben Miller
Ben Miller has been in and out of the team for much of the season so far.
The 23-year-old came into the team for the Saints game to replace Marlion Pickett and more than held his own with his most positive showing of 2023.
He performed well in the wet, kicking two goals from 12 disposals along with eight hit-outs, six score involvements, four tackles and two clearances.
With Samson Ryan injuring his ankle, there is a spot for Miller to hold onto for at least the next few weeks following the bye.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/19/overreactions-positives-negatives-and-undroppables-for-all-18-afl-teams-in-14/
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Bontmiller
I have said this a couple of times now. He should train as a mid this coming preseason. Cannot hurt as he has great skills and hits targets.. A big Mid/Ruckman that could be a real weapon...
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Anyone who's closely watched some of his follow work in the ruck and at stoppages can see he has some genuine onball ability. :shh
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Excellent game from Miller.
Has shown again his value as, well a utility.
Just wish we would play him in the one role for awhile.
With Ryan Developing as a ruckman i still maintain the best value to us with no Gibcus or Tarrant and Young stinking it up is Ben to play Kpd, a role he showed heaps in not all that long ago..
Failing that why not just play him as the second kpf and allow Ryan to continue his development as the second ruck.
Only one criticism of him and that is he is not clunking enough strong marks. Thats not just this week hard for anyone to take marks after half time but so far his career. Get that part right and who knows.
If i remember correctly he played up in kalgoorlie as a fwd against men before going to subiaco. We took him i think on the back of his athleticism and pace.
That pace means hard to handle on a lead as a fwd or great closing speed to spoil as a defender.
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This guy got a confidence issue or something?
Great mark and check side for goal then stuffed up by passing to Cotch instead of nailing an easier shot.
Would like to see him just take more shots.
His pace and athleticism are great weapons. Have said it before but I reckon he could be an upgrade on the wing if he has the tank.
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This guy got a confidence issue or something?
Great mark and check side for goal then stuffed up by passing to Cotch instead of nailing an easier shot.
Would like to see him just take more shots.
His pace and athleticism are great weapons. Have said it before but I reckon he could be an upgrade on the wing if he has the tank.
Cotchin called for it. Miller should have ignored him.
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Have backed him in s a kpd for a long while even enjoyed the odd game as second ruck/fwd.
Know he has some great attributes for game as well but.
There is something seriously lacking in Bens game and weather hes being played out of position or not im getting to the point where i think we need to cut our losses.
Hardly gets involved in games you see him pop up now and again he is not getting the pill enough and worst of all for a kpp he is not having any impact in the air and lacks aggression.We play him fwd and im wondering if he has kicked more than 10 goals and thats not just this year thats his career.
Really think it is time to just play Bauer who is a superb mark as a fwd and i think we are making a mistake in not playing Ryan for the rest of the year alongside nankervis.
Yep i think its just about time to cut our losses with big Ben.6 yrs and almost 24 and still offering very little despite good opportunities in recent years. Not a standard afl ruck or fwd at the very best just a player who can fill in in those roles.
Still think if he is any chance he needs to be played as a kpd.
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Have backed him in s a kpd for a long while even enjoyed the odd game as second ruck/fwd.
Know he has some great attributes for game as well but.
There is something seriously lacking in Bens game and weather hes being played out of position or not im getting to the point where i think we need to cut our losses.
Hardly gets involved in games you see him pop up now and again he is not getting the pill enough and worst of all for a kpp he is not having any impact in the air and lacks aggression.We play him fwd and im wondering if he has kicked more than 10 goals and thats not just this year thats his career.
Really think it is time to just play Bauer who is a superb mark as a fwd and i think we are making a mistake in not playing Ryan for the rest of the year alongside nankervis.
Yep i think its just about time to cut our losses with big Ben.6 yrs and almost 24 and still offering very little despite good opportunities in recent years. Not a standard afl ruck or fwd at the very best just a player who can fill in in those roles.
Still think if he is any chance he needs to be played as a kpd.
Decent ruck chop out.
Looks capable at times in the F50 but you're right not producing enough.
Reckon they should try him on the wing before the end of the year.
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Miller has been upgraded to the senior list.
He'd been on our rookie list for three years, so he had to be upgraded.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1057418/up-to-12-clubs-set-to-upgrade-rookies-ahead-of-draft-robbie-fox-mason-wood-nathan-murray
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Official.
Promoted rookies: Adelaide (Murray), Brisbane (Michael), Carlton (Cottrell), Collingwood (Johnson & Markov), Essendon (Baldwin), Freo (Banfield & Treacy), GC (Oea), Hawthorn (Newcombe), Melbourne (Turner), Richmond (Miller), St Kilda (Wood & Stocker), Sydney (Fox), Dogs (Scott).
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1724937897256878485
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Cmon Ben you now have another chance to show you belong make chb your own.
Take some angry pills before the game. Find the intensity that is needed. There is a position there for the taking just take it.
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Good luck Ben, have a rhg
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Great game by Big Ben i thought. Spoiled and used his body in the contest’s really well. More of that thanks :shh
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Did just as well as Young in fact he looked a heap better than Young with ball in hand.
If im going to criticise its the same bug bear he needs more intensity.
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Great game by Big Ben i thought. Spoiled and used his body in the contest’s really well. More of that thanks :shh
Miller beat Dixon fairly comfortably. It was Marshall and Finlayson that put us to the sword today……pricks.
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Similarly with Young, he’s no world beater, but can absolutely hold a spot in our backline as we’re going through the rebuild.
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Has poise and skill.
Should be persisted with. I still think he's always been a better option that young. I don't know why he was overlooked for Young in the first place.
More versatile a player too which is very handy if things don't go to plan elsewhere.
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He’s faster, stronger and more skilled than young.
Young’s prob the better 1v1 defender though
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I like Miller’s run. But I think it was 2022 there was a stat where % wise young wins a lot of 1vs1
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im going with the crowd has more tools than young and is going all right atm.
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Has poise and skill.
Should be persisted with. I still think he's always been a better option that young. I don't know why he was overlooked for Young in the first place.
More versatile a player too which is very handy if things don't go to plan elsewhere.
Completely different players and not to be compared. Both have a role to play
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I've always liked Miller. Hope he gets a proper long term crack at it.
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Didn't like seeing him slip over but a lot of players seemed to be today which was odd.
I like him plenty
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Has poise and skill.
Should be persisted with. I still think he's always been a better option that young. I don't know why he was overlooked for Young in the first place.
More versatile a player too which is very handy if things don't go to plan elsewhere.
Completely different players and not to be compared. Both have a role to play
If I was picking a team and I needed a KPD and I had a choice for either one I would choose Miller every single time. Young was getting games ahead of Miller as a key defender on so many occasions. I personally think Miller has better skill and much more versatility than Young so if I was choosing I'd default to Miller every time. The selection committee didn't think the same thing as they were giving Young preference in that position.
So that's why I was comparing them both.
I do agree we could use them both in the team.
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Has poise and skill.
Should be persisted with. I still think he's always been a better option that young. I don't know why he was overlooked for Young in the first place.
More versatile a player too which is very handy if things don't go to plan elsewhere.
Completely different players and not to be compared. Both have a role to play
If I was picking a team and I needed a KPD and I had a choice for either one I would choose Miller every single time. Young was getting games ahead of Miller as a key defender on so many occasions. I personally think Miller has better skill and much more versatility than Young so if I was choosing I'd default to Miller every time. The selection committee didn't think the same thing as they were giving Young preference in that position.
So that's why I was comparing them both.
I do agree we could use them both in the team.
Don't underestimate Young, was hardly beaten last season. His kicking has improved out of site and hardly gets beaten in one on one contests
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Young's a poor man's Thursty.... :shh
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Enjoying seeing Ben grow in confidence as each game passes :clapping
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MOST IMPROVED PLAYER: Ben Miller
Ben Miller has been thrown around a bit in his career to date, spending time in defence, in the forward line and as a relief ruckman.
Last year he did all three at different stages across his 13 appearances, often used as a bit-part player to fill a void.
That has somewhat been the case again in 2024 with Miller stepping in to replace the injured Josh Gibcus as a key defender.
Adem Yze broke glass in case of emergency and has not yet been let down by the 24-year-old who has shown he can be a dependable backman in a rebuilding team.
Miller is averaging career highs in disposals (12.7), marks (5.3) and rebound 50s (4), has chimed in with two intercept marks per game and leads the Tigers for spoils with 24 which ranks 12th in the league.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/04/10/your-afl-clubs-most-improved-player-so-far-in-2024-and-biggest-surprise/
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19 disposals (14 kicks) 100% efficiency :clapping
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How was his actual defending though - you know his primary role?nI mean compared to Young he looked like Rance ...but still....... :shh
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19 disposals (14 kicks) 100% efficiency :clapping
For the time he was on Waterman he was ineffective, gave away frees.
The disposals mean very little TBBH.
Yes he's improved but he was like the majority of his team mates poor
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He was a shocker. Absolutely hopeless.
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The entire backline was under pressure once the dam wall burst in the second quarter.
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How was his actual defending though - you know his primary role?nI mean compared to Young he looked like Rance ...but still....... :shh
I thought he was serviceable and still was able to remain calm amidst the chaos of having the ball coming inside the defensive 50 especially in the third qtr when it came in 19 times compared to our 3.
We were unable to take territory in the second half, only having 34% of this time spent in our forward half, as well as having 26 fewer inside 50s.
On top of this he had 7 interceptions.
If there is no pressure up the field on the ball carrier and the opposition is just allowed to send the ball in lace out to their forwards, even the greatest defenders and defensive structures will struggle to stop it (ie. 2018 prelim final) :shh
Without him down there it would have been massively worse than it was.
Miller doesn't panic and he makes good decisions majority of the time which is great because his skills are very good.
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He was a shocker. Absolutely hopeless.
How?
What could have he done differently?
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Thought he was reasonable , with WC mids having a birthday against our kids it’s no wonder they were giving silver service
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How was his actual defending though - you know his primary role?nI mean compared to Young he looked like Rance ...but still....... :shh
This. Lots of times it seemed he should have gone in the air but didnt. Thought his one v one work left a fair bit to be desired.
Tylar Young well he is just above vfl standard and should only be playing when injuries occur which we have.
Totally unimpressed with Kossie Just does not take marks. maybe its last chance saloon and we try him down back while the options are so limited could he be any worse than Young there.
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Reckon the big difference between them and us is they have stayed active with trades and not just targeted older players.
They have somehow managed while finishing high on the ladder managed to stay in national drafts.
Think the Max Holmes draft. They identified a talent and traded for the pick to get him ours by the way. When was the last time we did that.
Bowes Henry Bruhn not talking about what quality they are Geelong traded em in and at an age where they were still young.
They have in common the fact they were highly rated juniors and early draft picks in their original draft.
In the last 3 or 4 years they have managed to draft or trade for 7 players who were originally top 20 picks and they were all taken aged 20 or less with the exception of Bowes who was 24 at the time of trade.
Add to that they still found the picks to draft a high quality player like Cameron who was i think 27 at the time of drafting at the end of 2020..
Once success started i reckon even subconciously we stopped planning for the future to a large degree. It was all good we would drag every last drop of blood out of the group we had, and just ignore real needs. Needs that if addressed would have enabled us to stay up or at worst have a reasonable amount of the pieces of the puzzle in place for succession.