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AFL Round 9
West Coast vs RICHMOND
Sunday, 20th May, 2:40 PM WST (4:40pm EST) @ Optus Stadium.
The bookies (CrownBet) have us slight favourites:
West Coast $2.00
Richmond $1.80
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2018/9/wce-v-rich
Any OERites heading over to Perth for this one?
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I'm in Galway (Ireland) so probably won't make it.
😁
But thanks in advance for the updates.
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https://thewest.com.au/sport/west-coast-eagles/eagles-to-host-tigers-in-match-of-the-year-bc-5784200972001
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Deja vu to last season, we get smashed by Adelaide and then have a number of close losses. WC will be hard to beat over there as we are showing signs of a tired side. We then have games against the Saints and Bombers which on current form we win. Before the bye we have Port and the Cats, being premiers and the hunted we seem to have one mini grand final after another, feel we are quite vulnerable at the moment so could easily lose 3 of the next 5.
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Can't see this being a close game. We either rise to the challenge of top of the table clash and blow them away (ala 2017 finals form) or the trip, rabid crowd and a team that has been up for a while could mean we struggle (ala Adelaide Oval in 2017).
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Can't bloody wait :gotigers
I'm in Galway (Ireland) so probably won't make it.
No one cares
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It doesn't matter what happens on Sunday ......we all know West Coast couldn't beat us when and where it counts .
I say rest Dusty and Nank .
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Can't bloody wait :gotigers
I'm in Galway (Ireland) so probably won't make it.
No one cares
At least we know now why he hasn't been spamming the politics threads with links to Age & Guardian articles about the budget that no-one will read ... :shh
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https://thewest.com.au/sport/west-coast-eagles/eagles-to-host-tigers-in-match-of-the-year-bc-5784200972001
Yep, the West Australian media are pumping this up as bigger than their local derby.
If this isn’t the biggest home-and-away game at the new stadium this year, then one or both of the WA clubs are in for big seasons. West Coast look headed that way anyway.
This is first versus second. The Eagles have won their past seven after a round-one loss to Sydney, the Tigers have won their past six after a round-two loss to Adelaide in Adelaide.
If they beat reigning premiers Richmond in a mouth-watering round-nine clash at Optus Stadium on Sunday, the sky is the limit for Adam Simpson’s side.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/mark-duffield/mark-duffield-beat-the-tigers-and-it-is-well-and-truly-on-at-west-coast-ng-b88834771z
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The AFL website is tipping the Eagles to beat us.
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Match preview: West Coast v Richmond
Travis King
afl.com.au
May 14, 2018
SUMMARY
The Eagles are making a mockery of gloomy pre-season predictions and if Adam Simpson's men aren't already considered serious contenders in 2018 they have another opportunity to prove it when reigning premier Richmond comes to town for a blockbuster top-of-the-table clash. West Coast comfortably accounted for the Giants in another valuable road win last round, and returns to the club's Optus Stadium fortress searching for eight consecutive victories for the first time since 2005. West Coast will be bolstered by Nic Naitanui's return from suspension and could regain Jeremy McGovern (calf). In-form forward Jack Darling (22 goals), Josh Kennedy (15) and Mark LeCras (15) pose a threat to the Tigers, but Richmond's small and quick forward line – ranked No.1 for scoring - will worry the Eagles. Superstar Dustin Martin is coming off just 16 touches thanks to Ben Jacobs' close-checking in Richmond's tense sixth-straight win over North Melbourne but he torched West Coast last season and how the Eagles counter the Brownlow medallist will be a major talking point.
WHERE AND WHEN: Optus Stadium, Sunday, May 20, 2.40pm AWST
LAST FIVE TIMES
R3, 2017, Richmond 11.10 (76) d West Coast 8.17 (65) at the MCG
R4, 2016, West Coast 18.17 (125) d Richmond 9.3 (57) at Subiaco Oval
R12, 2015, West Coast 13.12 (90) d Richmond 10.10 (70) at the MCG
R18, 2014, Richmond 8.11 (59) d West Coast 6.6 (42) at Subiaco Oval
R10, 2013, Richmond 16.7 (103) d West Coast 8.14 (62) at Subiaco Oval
THE SIX POINTS
1. Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin dominated in round three last season at the MCG, racking up 40 disposals, 33 of which were kicks, nine inside 50s, 15 clearances and two goals.
2. This will be a contest between the AFL's highest scoring sides. Richmond is averaging 102 points, while West Coast is narrowly behind at 99 points per game.
3. How the Tigers transfer their pressure game to fast-paced Optus Stadium will be intriguing to watch. Richmond is conceding only 68 points this year (AFL No.1), while West Coast is coughing up a goal extra per game (AFL No.5).
4. West Coast's round one loss to Sydney is the only time an interstate side has won at Optus Stadium. However, Richmond’s recent record in Perth is impressive, winning on five of the last six trips west.
5. Richmond's rampant final quarters (+129 points this season) have been well-publicised but the Tigers are also the League's best first quarter team (+82). The Eagles have owned second terms, up by an AFL-high 129 points across the first eight rounds.
6. Reigning West Coast club champion Elliot Yeo has climbed to a career-high 45th in the Schick AFL Player Ratings – rising 35 spots this season – and could be handed the tough job keeping an eye on the game's No.1 player Martin.
IT'S A BIG WEEK FOR …
There are tantalising match-ups all over the ground but the AFL's best key defender Alex Rance and sidekick David Astbury have massive jobs ahead clamping down on star Eagles forwards Jack Darling and Josh Kennedy this Sunday.
PREDICTION: West Coast by seven points
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-14/match-preview-west-coast-v-richmond
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-14/eagles-pumped-for-awesome-tiger-challenge
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Can't bloody wait :gotigers
I'm in Galway (Ireland) so probably won't make it.
No one cares
At least we know now why he hasn't been spamming the politics threads with links to Age & Guardian articles about the budget that no-one will read ... :shh
:snidegrin :shh :snidegrin
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Biggest game between both clubs since the Weagles joined in '87
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The trouble is they will have 21 players on the ground, sorry, 18 players and 3 umpires
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Can't believe the bookies have us as favs for this.
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Bring in fresh legs and pace and we will win by 6+ goals
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Bring in fresh legs and pace and we will win by 6+ goals
:thumbsup
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Hope we win this . Since last September I have been your classic insufferable Richmond supporter who has made many enemies in my hometown of Perth . People are waiting for us to fail .
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Gonna be a ripper match and it will certainly see exactly where we're at.
I think it will come down to the wire and I have a good feeling that we will prevail.
:gotigers :thumbsup
You guys are already heroes, now enjoy the ride (somethin like that anyway, don't know what movie it's from, but love it).
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The Tigers will travel to Perth on Saturday and are scheduled to train at Optus Stadium that afternoon, after a three-week ban on teams training at the new ground.
Stadium management said this week the reduced load on the surface had allowed it to improve after criticism of its hardness in the opening month of the season.
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-15/flag-hero-pencils-in-vfl-return-on-saturday#/)
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Hope we win this . Since last September I have been your classic insufferable Richmond supporter who has made many enemies in my hometown of Perth . People are waiting for us to fail .
Spit in their pizzas! :rollin
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The hype surrounding Sunday's blockbuster could result in a new record crowd for an AFL match in WA.
The current record stands at 56,521 for the round-six western derby, which was a Fremantle home game.
The capacity of Optus Stadium is around 60,000.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/05/15/14/34/richmond-still-the-team-to-beat-jakovich
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Hope we win this . Since last September I have been your classic insufferable Richmond supporter who has made many enemies in my hometown of Perth . People are waiting for us to fail .
Spit in their pizzas! :rollin
:lol :lol :lol....my shop is more in Docker territory.
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Hope we win this . Since last September I have been your classic insufferable Richmond supporter who has made many enemies in my hometown of Perth . People are waiting for us to fail .
Spit in their pizzas! :rollin
:lol :lol :lol....my shop is more in Docker territory.
Well, spit in them twice.
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The hype surrounding Sunday's blockbuster could result in a new record crowd for an AFL match in WA.
The current record stands at 56,521 for the round-six western derby, which was a Fremantle home game.
The capacity of Optus Stadium is around 60,000.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/05/15/14/34/richmond-still-the-team-to-beat-jakovich
No tickets left for visiting members or general public
:gobdrop
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The hype surrounding Sunday's blockbuster could result in a new record crowd for an AFL match in WA.
The current record stands at 56,521 for the round-six western derby, which was a Fremantle home game.
The capacity of Optus Stadium is around 60,000.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2018/05/15/14/34/richmond-still-the-team-to-beat-jakovich
No tickets left for visiting members or general public
:gobdrop
You'll have to watch the return of Brando on your TV mate
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You'll have to watch the return of Brando on your TV mate
Dont think the VFL is on the TV this week :huh3
Besides I'll be in Perth. I've got tickets ;D
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You'll have to watch the return of Brando on your TV mate
Dont think the VFL is on the TV this week :huh3
Besides I'll be in Perth. I've got tickets ;D
see ya there
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The boys are really sore too....... :shh
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What about?
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You'll have to watch the return of Brando on your TV mate
Dont think the VFL is on the TV this week :huh3
Besides I'll be in Perth. I've got tickets ;D
;D
Enjoy the return in person then :thumbsup
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Nank, Castagna & Broad in serious doubt according to AFL site
Prestia also will miss again
Grigg ready to return
Soldo whould hold his own against Nic Nat and a great opportunity for him should he come in.
I am comfortable we can cover these players and I would definitely rest them if they aren't 100% fit.
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Rsather bring in Chol...Sold's ruckwork & general football has improved immensely but he's still a slow lumbering lump around the ground and he's comp;etely ineffective when he goes forward (albeit an upgrade on Hamspud)..NicNat will slaughter whoever we put up against him anyway.... :shh
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Rsather bring in Chol...Sold's ruckwork & general football has improved immensely but he's still a slow lumbering lump around the ground and he's comp;etely ineffective when he goes forward (albeit an upgrade on Hamspud)..NicNat will slaughter whoever we put up against him anyway.... :shh
I like this idea immensely :thumbsup
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Rsather bring in Chol...Sold's ruckwork & general football has improved immensely but he's still a slow lumbering lump around the ground and he's comp;etely ineffective when he goes forward (albeit an upgrade on Hamspud)..NicNat will slaughter whoever we put up against him anyway.... :shh
Soldo has improved around the ground to and can take a grab and kick a goal.Any ruckman comes against Nick Nat will struggle around the ground it's about the support around him that counts.Chol is not a full-time ruckman either.
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Chol will too easily get pushed off the ball, particularly at boundary throw ins. I think Soldo can hold his own around the ground due to his sheer size and I'm hoping he jumps into Nic Nat at the centre bounces to neutralise the ball up or make him sore.
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Don't really care about the ruck contests- overrated, we lose them most weeks anyway and they'd be lost even if Nank was playing- Soldo is a throwback - too cumbersome around the ground, ruckmen don't actually play on each other in general play that much these days and at least Chol has agility, decent pace for his size and can also play as a genuine forward.... :shh
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The Eagles are boasting about them being able to double-teaming us in the ruck.
West Coast ruckman Nic Naitanui says he and cohort Scott Lycett will double-team Richmond’s Toby Nankervis and “work him over” in Sunday’s top-of-the-table blockbuster at Optus Stadium.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/nic-naitanui/west-coasts-nic-naitanui-scott-lycett-plan-to-work-over-richmond-ruckman-toby-nankervis-ng-b88838022z
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The footy media are tipping the Eagles because they believe the Eagles' talls (Kennedy, Darling & Naitanui) will win the game in air.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Tigers-You-Have-A-Big-Problem-AFL.jpg)
http://afl.com.au
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Don't really care about the ruck contests- overrated, we lose them most weeks anyway and they'd be lost even if Nank was playing- Soldo is a throwback - too cumbersome around the ground, ruckmen don't actually play on each other in general play that much these days and at least Chol has agility, decent pace for his size and can also play as a genuine forward.... :shh
Can Soldo tag Natanui??
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Don't really care about the ruck contests- overrated, we lose them most weeks anyway and they'd be lost even if Nank was playing- Soldo is a throwback - too cumbersome around the ground, ruckmen don't actually play on each other in general play that much these days and at least Chol has agility, decent pace for his size and can also play as a genuine forward.... :shh
Can Soldo tag Natanui??
Not unless he suddenly became incredibly fit and athletic overnight.
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Don't really care about the ruck contests- overrated, we lose them most weeks anyway and they'd be lost even if Nank was playing- Soldo is a throwback - too cumbersome around the ground, ruckmen don't actually play on each other in general play that much these days and at least Chol has agility, decent pace for his size and can also play as a genuine forward.... :shh
Can Soldo tag Natanui??
Not unless he suddenly became incredibly fit and athletic overnight.
And developed an increase level of footy smarts
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The footy media are tipping the Eagles because they believe the Eagles' talls (Kennedy, Darling & Naitanui) will win the game in air.
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Tigers-You-Have-A-Big-Problem-AFL.jpg)
http://afl.com.au
They don't realise we have the best defence in the league and teams have tryed in thr past and failed.I know eagles forward line might be better then roos but last week they tryed to do the same.
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Don't really care about the ruck contests- overrated, we lose them most weeks anyway and they'd be lost even if Nank was playing- Soldo is a throwback - too cumbersome around the ground, ruckmen don't actually play on each other in general play that much these days and at least Chol has agility, decent pace for his size and can also play as a genuine forward.... :shh
Can Soldo tag Natanui??
You don't need to tag a bloke who barely gets the pill- he just needs to be a body to crash into Nic Nat at stoppages
Not unless he suddenly became incredibly fit and athletic overnight.
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Don't really care about the ruck contests- overrated, we lose them most weeks anyway and they'd be lost even if Nank was playing- Soldo is a throwback - too cumbersome around the ground, ruckmen don't actually play on each other in general play that much these days and at least Chol has agility, decent pace for his size and can also play as a genuine forward.... :shh
Can Soldo tag Natanui??
You don't need to tag a bloke who barely gets the pill- he just needs to be a body to crash into Nic Nat at stoppages
Not unless he suddenly became incredibly fit and athletic overnight.
Lift your quote game, Mr Roar :shh
If all you need to do against Nic Nat is crash into him at stoppages then why are we concerned about him? The man is the best leaping ruckman of his generation. Maybe any generation. Can jump over anyone and has every ruck in the league covered in terms of leg speed and his ability to spread from the contest.
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Nic Nats most dominate strength is hit outs to advantage. Particularly to Shuey who isn’t playing. He averages 10 touches at 66%.
So while he is cat like and spectacular, he doesn’t do it that much.
He averages 32 hit outs with those to advantage at roughly a third which is dangerously high.
He’s other weapon is tackling which is ferocious but I’m not sure we can do much about that.
We can nullify his presence in the ruck
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Especially this week following his 1 week suspension as much as he said publicly he wont change his tackling style i think he might still have it in the back of his mind so might not be at his ferocious best
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Optus Stadium training update
Great news for Richmond fans in or travelling to Perth! The Club has been able to work with Optus Stadium and have made the necessary arrangements to ensure we can open our training session to our loyal WA based fans. The Club thanks Stadium Management for their cooperation and support and we look forward to seeing our fans as we experience the exciting new stadium facilities for the first time.
Fans should note that parking is extremely limited in the area and public transport does not run on non-match days, therefore please plan your journey accordingly. Fans should also note that there will be no merchandise outlets or food/drink vendors open on the day.
Saturday, 19 May 2018
Optus Stadium, Perth, WA
Approx 3.45pm (local time)
Entry via Gate D.
Limited parking is available in the Optus Stadium Bus Station (accessible via Roger MacKay Drive).
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-05-18/optus-stadium-training-update
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What Bay has been allocated to RFC supporters? Anyone know
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What Bay has been allocated to RFC supporters? Anyone know
Urinals 4 and five and cubicles 2 and 3 in the toilet block down near the north entrance. :snidegrin
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What Bay has been allocated to RFC supporters? Anyone know
Urinals 4 and five and cubicles 2 and 3 in the toilet block down near the north entrance. :snidegrin
Working beautifully today doc. Well done on the toilet humor
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The vibe over here in Perth is massive . Like state of origin in the 80s .
The pre game lift out in the West Australian today reads - is this a sneak preview of the grand final ???. Picture of Cotch and Darling .
Dusty and Yeo on the back page .
Docker supporters all jumping on the tiger train . Wonderful time to be alive .
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The vibe over here in Perth is massive . Like state of origin in the 80s .
The pre game lift out in the West Australian today reads - is this a sneak preview of the grand final ???. Picture of Cotch and Darling . Dusty and Yeo on the back page .
Sounds like the Eagles are worried about the hype because they've sent out the coach today to try to talk it down.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-18/grand-final-preview-thats-absolutely-ridiculous-simpson
Compare that to us and Dimma going about our normal business unfussed and unfazed.
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Thankfully no Deboy umpiring us this week.
The Umps will be:
5. Leigh Haussen
7. Jeff Dalgleish
8. Brett Rosebury
http://aflua.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Round-9-2018.pdf
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Damian Barrett reckons we are going to get flogged ::).
(https://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2018/05/498138_573970a5b7964247ab16ed93542f5436.jpeg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-18/sliding-doors-round-nine
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Gez for a premiership side I tell you media writing us off big time and rest of afl community.Just the way we like it.Eagles a cocky bunch to you thing they won the flag last year.You can bet the boys will be pumped and prove them.
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Gez for a premiership side I tell you media writing us off big time and rest of afl community.Just the way we like it.Eagles a cocky bunch to you thing they won the flag last year.You can bet the boys will be pumped and prove them.
Agreed.
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It’s like Richmond is Rocky Balboa going to fight the giant Drago (West Coke Eagles), with all their steroid enhancements ready for action in their home town......
......we all know who won. :shh
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Back page of the West Australian.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ddg7xkOVAAEhfh1.jpg)
https://twitter.com/KiwiTiger12/status/997613064395542528
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But wait there's more.
Who would've thought, the Perth media are tipping the Eagles to win :wallywink.
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Richmond and West Coast battle a test of winning formula
Mark Duffield
West Australian
19 May 2018
In the AFL, as in physics, every elite action will eventually create an equal and opposite reaction.
The dominance of a great offensive team will eventually lead to the creation of a great defensive one and vice versa.
So tomorrow’s blockbuster between top side Richmond and second-placed home team West Coast at Optus Stadium is not just a test of 1 v 2, it is also a test of two very different theories on what produces a winning formula.
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When Richmond snared the 2017 flag, they did it with one key forward — Jack Riewoldt — and an army of small, quick tacklers.
Riewoldt, 193cm and one of the great contested marks in the competition, was not so much a marking target as a means of bringing the ball to the ground.
In his weekly appearance on Fox Footy, Riewoldt recently said he got more joy from a great contest than a great mark these days.
We would like to strap him into a lie detector to test that claim, but you get the point. The Tigers are small, quick and the best tackle-pressure team in the AFL. A loose ball hitting the ground is a nightmare for a side trying to defend them.
They are small on ball as well. Unless they depart from their tried and true formula to play back-up ruckman Ivan Soldo, Toby Nankervis will take on Nic Naitanui and Scott Lycett virtually on his own.
Teams often copy reigning premiers, which made people nervous about the future of ruckmen and tall forwards.
West Coast represent the reaction to Richmond’s action and are proof that you make the most of what you have got, rather than follow successful trends.
The Eagles will play two ruckmen against the Tigers and two marking forwards — Jack Darling and Josh Kennedy.
And just as Richmond’s ability to win with an army of crumbers and a midfielder playing second ruck was a key to their 2017 success, West Coast’s ruck ascendancy and the form of their tall forwards — Darling in particular — have been key to their strong start to the season.
Here are the key questions for coaches Adam Simpson and Damien Hardwick leading into tomorrow’s mouth-watering contest:
Question one: Does Simpson tag Dustin Martin and if so, who gets the job?
He has four options: Don’t tag at all or use one or more of Mark Hutchings, Jack Redden or Elliot Yeo.
Don’t be surprised if it is no one to start with. Simpson’s track record has been to see how the game is playing out before committing to a tag. In the round six western derby it took a monster Nat Fyfe first quarter to get Simpson to send Yeo to him.
It may also be that he has a different player in mind for Martin depending on where he is. Either Redden or Hutchings if he is midfield, but Yeo to take him if he goes forward.
North Melbourne’s Ben Jacobs successfully tagged Martin midfield for three quarters last Sunday, often playing him from behind to make it harder for Martin to “don’t-argue” him away. But Martin had an impact and a role in two vital goals when sent forward in the last term.
Fyfe went forward late in the derby, but Yeo was able to halve almost every contest. Simpson later observed there was no player in the AFL he would rather have to go with a player like Fyfe forward than Yeo.
Martin is different to Fyfe, more ground level than aerial, but Simpson would be happiest if Yeo is with him when he is forward.
Question two: Does Hardwick hold his nerve and play one ruckman or does Soldo have to play?
The second ruckman was named in the extended squad, but that is almost standard procedure for all clubs to guard against late injury or illness. On one hand, playing the second big man would be a departure from Richmond’s method, and no club has greater belief in its method than the Tigers right now.
On the other hand, no other club can throw two genuine ruckmen at you like West Coast. One of them, Naitanui, is a superstar who has declared the Eagles will set themselves to work Nankervis over. The other, Lycett, is no slouch and is in career-best form.
Recent evidence says taking one ruckman in against West Coast, even a good one, is risky.
Fremantle’s Aaron Sandilands won more hit-outs than any player on the ground in round six, but Naitanui and Lycett won the hit-outs 52-34 and the Eagles won the clearances 44-31. Port Adelaide’s Paddy Ryder was outgunned 56-26 in the air and the Power were dominated 45-31 around stoppages in round seven.
Finally, these are the two top teams this year for a reason, but equally they call it home-ground advantage for a reason. The Eagles have been beaten just once at Optus Stadium this year, and that was a credible performance given the stunning eight-goal haul from Sydney champion Lance Franklin.
Richmond have won their last 11 matches at the MCG and their last 12 in Victoria. But they have lost two of their past three on the road — against Geelong last year and against Adelaide by 36 points in round two this year.
So we can be as intrigued as we like about how this game will be played, but where it will be played is just as likely to be the decisive factor in the outcome.
My verdict: West Coast by 15 points
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-and-west-coast-battle-a-test-of-winning-formula-ng-b88840563z
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I don't know why we particularly care that people are tipping WCE to beat us. They're in great form and 2nd only to us by %. Had some great wins and are playing us in their home state on a ground we've never played on.
It should be a ripping game.
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I Didnt know the AFL give out Premiership Cups in May lol. Hardwick will have us firing when it counts.
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I Didnt know the AFL give out Premiership Cups in May lol. Hardwick will have us firing when it counts.
Adam Simpson is unimpressed by Premiership talk at this stage of the season for any team.
Reckon he'd rather keep a lid on things. Seen him a couple of times in the media during the week and I don't think he likes the hysteria.
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REECE CONCA WILL BE BEST ON GROUND
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Big danger game for us for sure. Could easily get done like in Adelaide.
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Pics and videos from training at Optus Stadium:
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/997756214980182017
A warm welcome from the Tiger Army of WA 🐯💛
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/997758941860802560
When you get @DustinMartin4’s signature 😆✍️
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/997774278958317568
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/west-coast-eagles-v-richmond-optus-stadium.1194162/page-31#post-55797128
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West Coast Eagles captain Shannon Hurn shuns any talk of premiership tilt.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/west-coast-eagles/west-coast-eagles-captain-shannon-hurn-shuns-any-talk-of-premiership-tilt-ng-b88841028z
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The Tigers clung to favouritism for the heavyweight bout yesterday, with the reigning premiers returning $1.87 and the Eagles $1.94 as the teams prepare to put their winning streaks on the line.
However money continues to come for the home side and TABtouch’s David Shortte predicted the teams could be locked at $1.90 each come bouncedown.
Currently fifth in premiership betting at $8.50, West Coast are expected to jump to equal second favourites for the flag at $7 if they win. Richmond are clear $3.75 premiership favourites with TABtouch.
Richmond premiership ruckman Toby Nankervis has shaken off a wrist problem and will lead the ruck against Nic Naitanui and Scott Lycett.
Travelling emergency Shaun Grigg joined a 23-man squad for a light session in front of several hundred local Tigers fans at Optus Stadium late yesterday, where Nankervis trained freely.
It will be the first 1v2 showdown staged in Perth since West Coast upset Fremantle in the 42nd western derby at Subiaco Oval in round 20, 2015.
About 60,000 tickets have been sold and the Eagles believe there is a strong chance the crowd will beat the round six derby attendance of 56,521, which would set a new record for a WA football match. Today’s forecast is sunny with a top of 25C.
Richmond’s 22 includes 18 players from last year’s premiership triumph, while the Eagles welcome back Naitanui from suspension as well as Jeremy McGovern, Dom Sheed and Lewis Jetta from injury.
Hurn predicted the contested ball battle and the ability to be efficient in front of goal would be the decisive factors.
“I don’t think either side potentially will have any dominance in any area,” Hurn said.
“But it will just be making the most of your opportunities.”
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Bit hard to win over there with the umpiring unless they have had a recent policy change
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Bit hard to win over there with the umpiring unless they have had a recent policy change
So true
Doubt there has been a policy change. Will let you know ;D
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This is the closest a home and away game can feel like a grand final .Pumped !!!!
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This is the closest a home and away game can feel like a grand final .Pumped !!!!
We are counting on you to get us over the line Matty. :cheers
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Isn't claw in WA? :snidegrin
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This is the closest a home and away game can feel like a grand final .Pumped !!!!
Matty do yourself a favour and come and watch a real “Grand Final like” home and away game at the home of footy in front of a Tiger crowd.
That crap you will have to put up with today (crowd wise) is nothing like what it felt like last September.
It’s only a short (ish) flight away buddy.
Richmond v Collingwood home game on a Saturday afternoon at The G in 69 days would be a good start if the Pies can keep up their current form.
Plenty of time to organise someone to cover the shop.
:gotigers
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Five key questions: Eagles v Tigers
Travis King
afl.com.au
May 20, 2018
TOP SPOT will be at stake when the AFL's form teams West Coast and Richmond clash in an Optus Stadium blockbuster to close out round nine.
The Tigers head west brimming with confidence after a six-game winning streak, which has cemented the reigning premiers' standing as the team to beat in 2018.
But the Eagles have put together a seven-match unbeaten run and, against all expectations, are being touted as a premiership threat.
Can West Coast prove its flag credentials, or will Richmond deliver a reality check?
AFL.com.au has delved into the five key questions ahead of Sunday's showdown.
Is West Coast the real deal?
If the Eagles knock over Richmond it will be difficult to deny Adam Simpson's outfit is a genuine contender. The Eagles have answered every challenge since going down to the Swans in round one, defeating finals hopefuls Geelong, Port Adelaide and Greater Western Sydney along the way. There is obviously a long way to go in 2018, but West Coast boasts arguably the AFL's greatest home ground advantage, a potent forward line (AFL No.2 points for), experienced defence (No.5 points against) and dominant ruck combination (No.1 hit-outs). There is a youthful vibrancy about the new-look West Coast and, like Richmond before them, the second tier Eagles are playing roles to perfection to support their stars in a system that is stacking up so far.
Will the Eagles tag Dusty?
Ben Jacobs proved the Richmond superstar can be handcuffed last round, limiting Martin to just 16 touches as North Melbourne pushed the Tigers all the way in a 10-point loss at Etihad Stadium. Jacobs is probably the best tagger in the game, but the Eagles do have run-with specialist Mark Hutchings up their sleeve. Whether Hutchings has the power to go with the Brownlow medallist, especially when he pushes forward, is questionable, with Martin six centimetres taller and six kilograms heavier. Elliot Yeo shapes as the perfect match-up around clearances or one-out inside 50, and has done the job before keeping an eye on the AFL's elite, including Patrick Dangerfield and Nat Fyfe. Could Hutchings be better suited to a role on Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin after his stellar 37-disposal, one-goal game?
Should Alex Rance go to Jack Darling?
Damien Hardwick has some tough decisions to make. Darling is clearly the Eagles' in-form forward, showing hands of steel (AFL No.1 contested marks) and finishing off his work (third for goals with 22), but dual Coleman medallist Josh Kennedy (15 goals) is due for a big game and looms large as a match-winner. Lock-down defender David Astbury often goes to the opposition's most dangerous forward, leaving Rance to back himself to balance attack and defence in a supporting role, but which Eagle should Astbury pick up? At 195cm, he is also the tallest of Richmond's three key defenders, including Dylan Grimes, so Astbury might be needed when Scott Lycett and Nic Naitanui rest forward. How much impact the Eagles talls have will be pivotal to the outcome.
Will Richmond be exposed in the ruck?
Despite speculation he could be sidelined by a sore wrist, Richmond has named Toby Nankervis for the toughest ruck task in football against West Coast's tag-team Nic Naitanui and Scott Lycett. The Eagles' combo has ignited a workmanlike midfield, and West Coast has boosted its clearance and contested ball numbers, while the Eagles are back dominating the territory battle. Interestingly, the Tigers haven't picked makeshift ruckman Shaun Grigg, so duties relieving in-form Nankervis could fall to Josh Caddy. Naitanui promised he and Lycett would try to work over whoever they face and, assuming Nankervis plays, the Richmond big man has a mammoth job ahead quelling their influence on the game.
Can the Tigers perform out of their MCG comfort zone?
Richmond has won a club record 13-straight games at the home of football and would take some beating at the 'G come finals, but Hardwick's men looked vulnerable at Etihad Stadium last Sunday and their only loss for the season was a six-goal defeat on the road to Adelaide in round two. The way Richmond (AFL No.1 for fewest points against) defends its wide home ground with frantic pressure and surges the ball forward at pace (AFL No.1 scoring) should be transferrable to the similarly-sized Optus Stadium, but the Tigers will be walking into as hostile an environment as they will encounter all year. No interstate team has won in Perth since round one, although Richmond had success at Subiaco Oval in recent years, winning five of the last six games.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-20/five-key-questions-eagles-v-tigers
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Mick Malthouse unpacks the match-ups that will decide West Coast vs. Richmond
MICK MALTHOUSE,
Herald Sun
May 20, 2018
THEY come from opposite sides of the country and their game plans are an extreme contrast, but Richmond and West Coast are the current kings of the AFL jungle.
And I don’t see that changing.
My pre-season predictions had Richmond finishing the home-and-away season outside the top four, but still with a chance of a second consecutive premiership.
For West Coast, I thought the absence of Brownlow medallists Matt Priddis and Sam Mitchell would be too greatly felt. With the added uncertainty of how Nic Naitanui and Josh Kennedy returned from injury, I saw the Eagles missing the final eight in a rebuilding year.
I am happy to have been proven wrong on both counts.
Richmond has maintained its intensity and is perhaps playing even better football than last year, while West Coast displayed unified talent when it totally dismantled GWS last week.
Not much has changed for the Tigers since their premiership triumph. There have been few injuries, their game structure is virtually unaltered, and their hunger is ferocious. They have several superstars who are prepared to share the workload, and in this, there is a self-belief within the team in one another’s ability to impact the game.
The biggest change for the Eagles this season is their ability to win on the road. Several key players who had been found wanting in previous years when travelling have matured greatly. Jack Darling is one — he was outstanding last week. And Kennedy is getting better with every game back from injury.
The surprise packet is Mark LeCras, who at 32 I thought was on the cusp of being done, but is excelling.
Without three stars last week — Naitanui (unnecessarily suspended), Jeremy McGovern and Luke Shuey (both injured,) Tom Barrass, Scott Lycett and Jack Redden all stood up brilliantly.
The contrasting game plans will be intriguing.
Richmond is a totally different prospect compared to the Giants.
There’ll be no slow plays entering Richmond’s forward line. The Tigers move the ball deep and quick, with a lot of room to move inside the 50m arc.
Though small, Richmond’s forward line generates enormous pressure on the opposition backs, so Shannon Hurn will need to lead well. He is capable of that.
West Coast’s discipline has been its making this year. The Eagles’ forwards generally hold their ground and their backs don’t get sucked up into the play.
This should deny the Tigers an open forward line.
Toby Nankervis’s best-on-ground performance against in-form Magpie Brodie Grundy in Round 6 was one of the best ruck displays you’ll see. On Sunday the giant Tiger against Naitanui will be worth the admission price on its own.
Alex Rance and David Astbury on Kennedy and Darling, Barrass on Jack Riewoldt — the match-up potential of this clash is incredible.
But, as we all know, it’s the midfield battle that is most likely to determine the outcome.
Will Dustin Martin have two quiet games in a row? I doubt it.
Trent Cotchin, Nankervis and Kane Lambert are a match for any midfield against Andrew Gaff (an unbelievable supplier to his forwards), Naitanui and Redden. It will be a battle within a battle.
It is a test for West Coast against the reigning premier and a wonderful opportunity to find out where it needs to tinker its game plan — if at all — to get better.
How will young players Tom Cole, Willie Rioli and Jake Waterman handle the Tigers’ heat?
There is no such test for Richmond. It is already aware of exactly where it stands in the competition. On current form it will finish first or second, with the chance to play two MCG finals to progress to the Grand Final. I know that’s jumping the gun a bit, but that’s how much better the Tigers are playing than 16 other teams.
The Eagles should also be eyeing off two home finals. If they win today, then we’ll have found Richmond’s equal.
We’ve seen some tight contests this year, but whether they lived up to the billing of a great game is debatable. Today’s game will be spectacular.
It is only early days — Round 9 — but already there is a considerable divide in the league. Whoever wins this game will be footy’s monarch and it will be damn hard for anyone to catch them.
Clash of the titans
Stat Richmond West Coast
Points for 102.8 (ranked No.1) 99.6 (ranked No.2)
Points against 68.8 (No.1) 74.4 (No.5)
Score per inside-50 49% (No.1) 47.1% (No.3)
Opp score per inside-50 37.8% (No.2) 41.6% (No.5)
Points differential turnovers +32.9 (No.1) +20.5 (No.2)
Points differential stoppages +1.5 (No.9) +7.0 (No.1)
Source: CHAMPION DATA
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/mick-malthouse-unpacks-the-matchups-that-will-decide-west-coast-vs-richmond/news-story/a7ab1064094c318a30d069d3f8da545e
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This is the closest a home and away game can feel like a grand final .Pumped !!!!
We are counting on you to get us over the line Matty. :cheers
Challenge accepted :gotigers
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This is the closest a home and away game can feel like a grand final .Pumped !!!!
We are counting on you to get us over the line Matty. :cheers
Challenge accepted :gotigers
Matty, you can wave to all of the Eagle fans good-bye as they leave en masse at the 20 min of the last quarter as the Tiges head to victory :wave ;D.
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I want us to win but the main thing today is no injuries (touchwood) as we have bigger fish to fry at the end of the season knowing if we remain top 2 we won't have to play them over there again and if they play us again it will be at the 'G.
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This is the closest a home and away game can feel like a grand final .Pumped !!!!
We are counting on you to get us over the line Matty. :cheers
Challenge accepted :gotigers
Matty, you can wave to all of the Eagle fans good-bye as they leave en masse at the 20 min of the last quarter as the Tiges head to victory :wave ;D.
Just like 2013/14 and every Docker match I attend .
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Disgusting how Rioli got a free run at that crumb.
Also, close the stuffing roof
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If Castagna gives away another free kick doing that Jeremy Howe bs I'd delist him on the spot. Pull your head in
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Straight down the end for another WC goal.
Pull your head in
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Just bombing it long. If we continue that we have no hope
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Sam Lloyd making some atrocious decisions
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Best leg at the club Mr Short :shh
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Inside 50 the same but the eagles are just doing it better than us with their kicks.
We’ve had some terrible decisions when kicking this game.
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Riewoldt needed to kick that one he got from Dusty lace out
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Why is Grigg playing??
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Momentum killer. Get Grigg off Ffs
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watching it on my phone, but can hear a lot of cheers when we kick a goal. Good to hear our WA supporters getting behind the boys
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Not making enough of our chances here
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Cotc misses a sitter. Castagna goes round the corner from basically straight in front. All over them but not converting
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OLE OLE OLE Jack :gotigers
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Thank gawd for Mr Reevolt
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Georgie! :gotigers
We're back! Scores level. 44 all.
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These fans are a bunch of nuffies :lol
Scores level
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Inside 50s this qtr: 23 - 3
Poor kick Georgie.
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Well done Tiges. Top comeback :clapping.
Half-time
Richmond 2.3 6.8-44
West Coast 6.1 7.2-44
Goal: Riewoldt 2, Castagna, Caddy, Edwards, Short.
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Eagle fans sooking because they haven't had their usual 20 free kicks more than the opposition ::).
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Eagle fans sooking because they haven't had their usual 20 free kicks more than the opposition ::).
Boooooooooooooooo booooooooooooooo
bunch of nuffies mate.
Get the Cotch up and going in the 2nd half and we'll take it up these blokes some more :gotigers
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14 shots to 9.
Cmon Tiges, tighten it up!
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What the heck are all the idiots booing at? When Castagna kicked the goal Riewoldt actually kicked the footy so it couldn’t of been incorrect disposal. :wallywink
Do they even understand the basic rules?
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Richmond won the territory battle in the second term. It won the time in forward half differential by 10 minutes and 28 seconds, recording 73 disposals in this zone, 60 more than the Eagles.
The Tigers have sourced their last two goals from clearances. They lead this count 10-9 this quarter.
Team stats:
Disposals: 164 - 167 ( contested: 70 - 68 )
Clearances: 20 - 18 ( centre: 9 - 5; stoppages 11 - 13 )
Inside 50s: 36 - 17 ( marks in50: 6 - 7 )
Tackles: 28 - 28
Hitouts: 16 - 27
Frees: 9 - 7
Individual possies:
Dusty 16
Edwards 11
Lambert 11
Grigg 10
Lloyd 10
Nank 9
Rance 9
Macca 9
Caddy 8
Jack 8
Cotch 8
Floss 7
Houli 7
Graham 7
Castagna 6
Short 6
Grimes 5
Butler 5
Conca 5
Towner 4
Astbury 2
Broad 1
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2018/9/wce-v-rich
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I thought Edwards was outstanding that quarter. As was Martin. :clapping
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Jack Riewoldt finished the second quarter with four score involvements, a quarter-high, including two goals and one goal assist.
West Coast was unable to retain possession in the second quarter. After recording 48 effective kicks and 28 uncontested marks in the first quarter, it recorded just 23 effective kicks and second uncontested marks in the second.
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2018/9/wce-v-rich
Pressure pressure pressure!
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what a game. Looks like they threw the kitchen sink at us and we have adjusted a lot better. Need to get those goal opportunities though. Be sweet to take this one home.
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Can I just say they are feral here
Not sure it's safe being a Tiger right at the minute
Edwards brilliant that qtr.
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I thought Edwards was outstanding that quarter. As was Martin. :clapping
Jack too. Senior players/leaders stood up.
We'd be feeling pretty good to have stayed with them till half-time. Do we now have the legs like in previous games this year to keep going and take control? Big first 10 mins after half-time coming up. Need to take our chances in front of goal.
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Maybe their big blokes are too used to just plodding around and taking easy marks rather than having to have to run like dogs all game, hoping they are gonna die in the arse fast in the second half and we blow em away.
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Grrr! Ordinary defending Tiges.
44 - 50
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3 HTBs against us in one minute.
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Make it 4 HTBs.
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Switch on Tiges.
44 - 56
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As I said big first 10 mins and we've come out after half-time asleep :banghead.
44 - 62
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Pathetic start to 3rd.
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No pressure. They are just transitioning with ease.
Butler inside 50 to Conca. Dragged down but no 50 ::).
Goal! :gotigers
Understatement to say we needed that!
Rich 7.8-50
WC 10.3-63
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Geez that sook for a free for any and everything ::).
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We are making so many stupid errors and fumbling
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They can't miss today :banghead.
50 - 70
Frees: 0 - 5 this qtr :whistle
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Fore up boys
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5 HTBs against us this qtr.
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We are falling down forward of centre. Can't find a target and turning it over and they are just rebounding at will.
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Freaking turnovers forward of centre :banghead.
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is it just me or are they getting a few free kicks in front of goal for some soft poo
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We're gone. Too many players down.
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Oh well, we had to drop one sooner or later.
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too big for us by the looks
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Our kicking into forward 50 has been atrocious.
DONT BLOODY KICK THE FOOTY TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THE DEFENDER
It ain’t rocket science. My pet hate. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Worst quarter we've played for 18 months. Thought we'd runawsy with it. Will be a blow out.
Once again ball movement inside 50 a disgrace
Hardwick no answers.
Martin is clearly injured. Needs a rest.
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oh look another free kick in front of goal and a fifty
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Feed him with lefts and rights, Edwards
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We’ve given up.
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Hate losing
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The damage is being down in the midfield and across our HF line. Beaten badly both with and without the footy. Hard for our defenders when the ball is continually coming down under no pressure.
Frees this qtr: 8 - 1 plus two 50m penalites that resulted in goals.
Pathetic! Our worst quarter since the St Kilda game at Etihad. Came out not switched on while they've been on full cylinders. Even their shanks have found targets.
Jack gets one against the run of play.
Rich 8.8-56
WC 14.5-89
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Broad having a shocker.
Gossling cheering for the Eagles and laughing at our mistakes ::).
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Short gets 50. Goal :gotigers
Rich 9.8-62
WC 14.5-89
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3 qtr we switched off been our issue this year.Not kicking straight to.First half they kick 6 goals to 1 behind we missed alot.Need to keep it simple to.
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Not putting score board pressure on in the 2nd quarter is going to cost us.
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3/4 time
Richmond 2.3 6.8 9.8-62
West Coast 6.1 7.2 14.6-90
Goals: Riewoldt 3, Short 2, Caddy, Edwards, Castagna, Conca.
Pathetic quarter, Tiges! Soft!
Hard to see it happening (more likely the Eagles will kick away :P) but this would be one of our greatest wins if we can come back from here.
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Think we're a bit too far back now.
Days like this Tom Lynch across CHF would be handy
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Broad having a shocker.
Gossling cheering for the Eagles and laughing at our mistakes ::).
Many playing poorly. Is Grigg playing?
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Broad having a shocker.
Gossling cheering for the Eagles and laughing at our mistakes ::).
Many playing poorly. Is Grigg playing?
I saw the ball 100m in the air at one point. I assume it was Grigga who kicked it
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Butler needs a rest.
Elliot Yep = Smart arse
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Unfortunately no forward line other than Jack. Butler unsighted, Geogie not much better and flying for marks when he should stay down. Lloyd not up to it and Towno not getting involved. They have simple supremacy in the air and have the easy out everytime under pressure. Would be one of our greatest wins if we can threaten them in the last.
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Yep. Most Tiges having poor games.
Dimma will be doing his nut in the huddle. One thing to be beaten but to lose so meekly won't be tolerated.
Yeo and McGovern killed us that qtr.
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Play another tall might be an idea. Ruck issue killed us today
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Unfortunately no forward line other than Jack. Butler unsighted, Geogie not much better and flying for marks when he should stay down. Lloyd not up to it and Towno not getting involved. They have simple supremacy in the air and have the easy out everytime under pressure. Would be one of our greatest wins if we can threaten them in the last.
Exactly. Great post Lozza. And our decision making and kicking into F50 hasn’t helped either.
Buttler has done nothing except waste an opportunity. Terrible game today.
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They haven't missed today. Having a day out in front of the sticks while we blew chances in the second quarter.
Conceded the first. Look gone now.
62 - 96
Shut up Gossling :chuck.
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Another to them.
62 - 102
Smashed in the guts since half-time. Losing clearances been an issue this year when Prestia has been out.
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I'll give it to us. When we lose, we lose big.
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all you have to do in a tackle is fall forward and draw an in the back for frees in front of goal, easy
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GG Tiges. It was fun while it lasted.
Ahh mediocrity, my old friend.
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Towner snaps a point.
63 - 108
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we look blown, looks like Harlem Globe Trotters playing the local primary school
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Gotta go the knuckle now
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Few bloke's need a rest
Butler
Townsend
Nank
Martin
Broad
Should have rested a few today for next couple of weeks before the bye
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Few bloke's need a rest
Butler
Townsend
Nank
Martin
Broad
Should have rested a few today for next couple of weeks before the bye
Dusty one of the only lads having a real dip trying to make poo happen. Not much support today
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I'll give it to us. When we lose, we lose big.
Yep :(.
We make every dumb mistake in the book when it goes wrong :P. Beaten to the footy and beaten on the outside. We look tired and slow. Having said that they are having a day out. They can't do anything wrong.
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Bad loss today but we live to fight another day. St Kilda flogged us late last year and then we won the flag. What today has shown is that we need to go back and reset on the season. There are some players who shouldn't be in this side, maybe it would be a good idea to eventually go back to the 22 who won the flag last year and make changes as necessary from that point.
At least the pressure of being premiership favorites will go off us and on to the eagles, Hardwick, Caracella and co have a few months to work their magic. I think we would beat the Eagles at the MCG in September.
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Towner torpedo and Jack marks. 4 goals to him.
Rich 10.9-69
WC 18.7-115
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Jack is having a great game despite it all, must have a sore back
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Eagles have been awesome today. There kicking has been first class. They’ve done to us what we normally do and that is harass and tackle hard. We had no easy kicks out there today and it shows.
Nic Nat is a machine. Too good today. Our midfield (besides the second term) has had their pants pulled down and our defence suffered terribly because of it.
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Our defence has nothing against their forward line and nothing for Nic Nat. They are fast and bigger gonna be hard to beat this year
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Dont understand the point of Grigg not contesting the ruck, may as well give them a goal at the bounce.
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You know there's an issue when your ruckmam doesn't even jump for the contest.
This selection policy can't continue. It's ridiculous
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We got away with last year and up till now. You cant do it against Naitanui but maybe it still works against other teams. You cant throw the baby out with the bath water here based on 1 loss.
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All we need know to top this off is a major injury
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We can't afford to have our mids and HFs having a shocker against sides with big forwards. In our two losses Jenkins kicked 5 and today Darling has 6. North tried it last week too but our mids did their job and we kept Ben Brown quiet.
Georgie misses.
70 - 122
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Nank again finds Jack. Miss.
71 - 122
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Our defence has been disorganised and crap. Often they're not doing the simple things like just keeping their direct opponent in check. Even champions have off days so it's not the end of the world but when you can make Darling look like Tony Lockett, something is wrong.
Personally I think Rance needs to know when to go back to his 2015 or even 2016 playing style. i.e. defend first before being the play maker. its frustrating to see an the WCE forwards take so many easy marks inside their F50
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not very often we concede 120+ points.
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Well we now hold the largest crowd for an AFL game in Perth. 57,616.
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Cotch head knock?
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Any of the young talls showing anything in the two's?
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Sums up our day. They can't miss while we have. Shot is OOTF.
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Our defence has been disorganised and crap. Often they're not doing the simple things like just keeping their direct opponent in check. Even champions have off days so it's not the end of the world but when you can make Darling look like Tony Lockett, something is wrong.
Personally I think Rance needs to know when to go back to his 2015 or even 2016 playing style. i.e. defend first before being the play maker. its frustrating to see an the WCE forwards take so many easy marks inside their F50
I agree with this Rance hasn't been great this year.Gets beaten in so many one on ones for my liking.
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Any of the young talls showing anything in the two's?
Chol has improved significantly but not sure if he's ready for AFL. Moore can mark it but his goalkicking is ordinary of late.
WA commentators bagging our forward line set-up and comparing it to Freo's ::).
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Goal to Houli.
Rich 11.11-77
WC 19.9-123
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Jack marks it again. Played well in a badly beaten side. 5 goals to him.
Rich 12.11-83
WC 19.9-123
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can garthwaite come in for Broad?
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Well this stat confirms today is our worst effort since the St Kilda loss.
Richmond has been outscored by 47 points from intercepts, its worst result since Round 16, 2017.
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2018/9/wce-v-rich
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Second halve we switched off.Our midfield didn't do it's job pressure snd tackling etc so much easy ball in defence,but defence was poor to.
Dimma kept faith in a few for me Lloyd is a vfl footballer and Grigg shouldn't have come straight in.I think we could have did better at the selection table bringing Soldo to help Nank and Menadue for more pace.Dimma needs to add a string to our game plan getting to predictable.Teams aren't zoning off us now going to the ball carrier.Still a few talls short to.
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can garthwaite come in for Broad?
Garth is a KPP whereas Broad is 3rd/4th defender who plays on the opposition's more mobile linking tall who runs up to the wing and back (eg: Wood, Crows' Lynch).
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Astbury been smashed today. First time for a while
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Defence hasn't been great this year,but midfield didn't help.
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can garthwaite come in for Broad?
Garth is a KPP whereas Broad is 3rd/4th defender who plays on the opposition's more mobile linking tall who runs up to the wing and back (eg: Wood, Crows' Lynch).
thanks for the clarification. They're both 192 so I thought maybe Garth had the legspeed to do what Broad does.
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Butler passes it to Jack instead of going to goal and the siren goes before Jack can mark.
6.3 to 13.8 after half time :help. They won the pill and were too slick on the outside. We were woeful.
Final Score
Richmond 2.3 6.8 9.8 12.11-83
West Coast 6.1 7.2 14.5 20.10-139
Goals: Riewoldt 5, Short 2, Caddy, Edwards, Castagna, Conca, Houli.
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Reset work on our weakness simple as that plenty upside.Tho need to change a few things and tweak them now Dimma to counter teams.
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Defence hasn't been great this year,but midfield didn't help.
Blame is on our mids and HFs. Very soft today. Aside from the second qtr, there was no intensity nor tackling pressure. No defender can stop lace out deliveries into space under no pressure.
Hopefully today is a kick up the backside. Don't bring that intensity and tackling pressure over 4 qtrs against any side let alone a top side on their home deck then we'll get beaten.
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There’s no reason to panic. Play this game at the G and it’s a different ball game too.
The eagles played an excellent game and didn’t allow any midfield dominance. Many of our boys were strangled and we had no answer for Nic Nat at all.
I think we need a break and recharge the batteries. Maybe the match committee could’ve done better with selection when playing so many games during the Anzac period.
Defence hasn't been great this year,but midfield didn't help.
Blame is on our mids and HFs. Very soft today. Aside from the second qtr, there was no intensity nor tackling pressure. No defender can stop lace out deliveries into space under no pressure.
Hopefully today is a kick up the backside. Don't bring that intensity and tackling pressure over 4 qtrs against any side let alone a top side on their home deck then we'll get beaten.
Agree George. But our defence also has an off night.
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Game's passed Grigg by
Stengle, Baker in fur in for Butler & Lloyd
Need another tall - Moore /Chol in for Townsend
Menadue or Markov in for McIntosh
Comfirmed: Conca still a dud, replace with Prestia
Other than that:
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And George should not have played as he is clearly injured with a knee...
Astbury like many got toweled up big time!!
Move on to next week and bounce back with a few changes...would try a second ruck or key next week along with a small change with the smalls in the forward line.
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I'm sorry but Nank was hopeless against their rucks. Needs help...
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We have been up as a team for some time. This had to happen eventually, happened against Crows and then again against the Saints last season. We rebounded bigger and better from both experiences.
Agree we need some fresh legs with Butler needing a rest and Lloyd just not quite up to the speed of our game. Maybe even Georgie needs a break as he didnt look fit to me. The Saints will be no easy beats and neither will the Bombers the following week so need to take both games very seriously.
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Not an excuse for the loss as we got smashed but for the record we received just one free kick after half-time (to the Eagles 14).
1st: 6 - 3
2nd: 3 - 4
3rd: 1 - 8
4th: 0 - 6
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Did we turn our toes up today.
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Townsend did a good job I thought, Hurn largely ineffective
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All credit to the Eagles but we were due for a flat one. Need to bounce back real strong next week
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Eagles great today but geez on most occasions the ball bounced their way plus they couldnt miss a shot at goal. Even their miss kicks were finding their man, thought our day was summed up in the last seconds when Butler could have strolled in and kicked the goal but passed to Jack as the siren went.
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Feed him with lefts and rights, Edwards
It was a fearful blow wasn’t it
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Townsend did a good job I thought, Hurn largely ineffective
I agree but we need another tall and he's the obvious choice to make way without affecting the structure or gameplan too much. :shh
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Not an excuse for the loss as we got smashed but for the record we received just one free kick after half-time (to the Eagles 14).
1st: 6 - 3
2nd: 3 - 4
3rd: 1 - 8
4th: 0 - 6
Laughable really.
Any Western Australian who says the GF should not be at the MCG only needs to look at these consistent imbalances to see why it neess ti be played at an impartial venue.
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conca and his 8 iron need permanent replacing. i didnt like castagnas game either. grigg was garbage. Lloyd needs to gtfo
it wouldnt hurt to try a few newbies over the next fortnight. send a message to the group.
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Not an excuse for the loss as we got smashed but for the record we received just one free kick after half-time (to the Eagles 14).
1st: 6 - 3
2nd: 3 - 4
3rd: 1 - 8
4th: 0 - 6
Laughable really.
Any Western Australian who says the GF should not be at the MCG only needs to look at these consistent imbalances to see why it neess ti be played at an impartial venue.
most times i would agree, but watching the last half i would say a lot of those free kicks were holding the ball and were there.
They wanted it and attached us like no other team has for a very long time.
That is 2 interstate games now we havent given a yelp.
Its a shame in a way we dont have a difficult opponent next week. We will smash stkilda.
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I know a number of our players have credits in the bank because we won the flag
But.....
Outside of Vlastuin & Short the rest of the back 6 were deplorable.
Rance- poor,
Astbury completed towelled up.
Houli - see he turned up in the fianl quarter.
Broad tried hard but when those around him are terrible, he's lost
Butler - can't defend him tonight, shocking.
Lloyd - showed today why he's a depth player only. Horrible
See people are bagging Nank. I thought he was great, yes he got beaten but gee he kept having a dip. Can't say that about alot of his team mates
Fuming with Cotchin who outside of having a shocker, to give away that 50 metre penalty when they had the momentum and gift them sofest of goals was disgraceful.
I could go on but cantbe stuffed, just want to get home
Said earlier they are feral over here. Struth that's being kind
And how we can only get 1 free kick in a half of footy simply doesnt make sense
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Not an excuse for the loss as we got smashed but for the record we received just one free kick after half-time (to the Eagles 14).
1st: 6 - 3
2nd: 3 - 4
3rd: 1 - 8
4th: 0 - 6
Laughable really.
Any Western Australian who says the GF should not be at the MCG only needs to look at these consistent imbalances to see why it neess ti be played at an impartial venue.
most times i would agree, but watching the last half i would say a lot of those free kicks were holding the ball and were there.
They wanted it and attached us like no other team has for a very long time.
That is 2 interstate games now we havent given a yelp.
Its a shame in a way we dont have a difficult opponent next week. We will smash stkilda.
It's more about the free kicks you don't get, that's the imbalance
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The Eagles fans are fairly carrying on over here about towelling us up and being on top of the ladder.
Good luck to them, I think they might get a rude shock towards the business end of the season. They have a pretty soft draw IMO.
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I know a number of our players have credits in the bank because we won the flag
But.....
Outside of Vlastuin & Short the rest of the back 6 were deplorable.
Rance- poor,
Astbury completed towelled up.
Houli - see he turned up in the fianl quarter.
Broad tried hard but when those around him are terrible, he's lost
Butler - can't defend him tonight, shocking.
Lloyd - showed today why he's a depth player only. Horrible
See people are bagging Nank. I thought he was great, yes he got beaten but gee he kept having a dip. Can't say that about alot of his team mates
Fuming with Cotchin who outside of having a shocker, to give away that 50 metre penalty when they had the momentum and gift them sofest of goals was disgraceful.
I could go on but cantbe stuffed, just want to get home
Said earlier they are feral over here. Struth that's being kind
And how we can only get 1 free kick in a half of footy simply doesnt make sense
Has that even happened before? Would have bet the house on us losing the free kick differential but 1 free in the second half is ludicrous.
Cotchins miss in the second quarter also a momentum killer, should have nailed that one.
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true, but which ones should we have got? I kind of gave up watching all passages of play in that third and was talking to family.
Perhaps jack should have got one, but in that third they were brutal and deserved everything they got IMO.
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true, but which ones should we have got? I kind of gave up watching all passages of play in that third and was talking to family.
Perhaps jack should have got one, but in that third they were brutal and deserved everything they got IMO.
Agree that we were outplayed and in a lot of cases second to the ball but there were a few holding frees that i think they missed which WC received for very similar offences.
The thing is that even when we have dished out similar dominance over other teams we still on most occasions have lost the free kick count, as i understand we sit bottom of the free kick differential ladder so we must be doing something horribly wrong.
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conca and his 8 iron need permanent replacing. i didnt like castagnas game either. grigg was garbage. Lloyd needs to gtfo
it wouldnt hurt to try a few newbies over the next fortnight. send a message to the group.
Grigg needs to retire now before it becomes even more embarrassing
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Havent seen our defence smashed like that for a long time. Astbury had his pants pulled down by Darling. Hardwick’s refusal to admit the blleeeding obvious cost us the game. The Coaches box had a stinker starting with Griggs last minute inclusion
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We made Robbo's 'dislikes' column:
4. RICHMOND
Maybe they were ripe for the picking, and West Coast may have built it up internally as a final in May, but it was the dismantling of Richmond which was of major concern. The Tigers conceded 130 points, were murdered on the turnover, they were unable stop West Coast’s ball movement from the back half to the front but actually had more inside 50s, 56-44. Richmond was the benchmark, that’s how powerful the Eagles were.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-round-9s-highlights-and-lowlights/news-story/e75090761e53900bb260d174e1307f60
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Defence was very very poor. Unorganised and just made poor decisions on marking, switches and coming off their man - darlings check side from the boundary which he completely messed up and fell in the lap of 2 eagles players unmarked 15 metres out directly in front come to mind. We actually had more inside 50 entries but the ease which they were scoring was crazy especially first and third quarters. The second quarter we absolutely dominated a lot more than in any of the other three quarters that the eagles won the difference being we only won the quarter by around 20 points whereas the eagles were able to put it on the scoreboard.
Think people are getting a fair bit carried away with the ruck was dominated stuff. We drew centre clearances and won stoppage clearances and I thought nank competed very well as usual. The area I thought Nic Nat was great in was his pressure, tackling and contested ball which I hardly think bringing in a second tall is going to counter. We have great depth in the vfl, drop players who are in poor form at the minute (I cannot understand how butler hasn’t been dropped yet) and bring in those who have earned their chance.
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Havent seen our defence smashed like that for a long time. Astbury had his pants pulled down by Darling. Hardwick’s refusal to admit the blleeeding obvious cost us the game. The Coaches box had a stinker starting with Griggs last minute inclusion
Add to that the selection committee to could have done alot better a few have been poor and should be dropped.Agree when the game changed the coaches box had no counter or plan b.Need to mix things up and tweak our game plan at times.
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The coaches call on our players to lift when down on key pressure stats. They also rely on our leaders to be proactive and drive the team.
The second quarter we dominated but didn’t really capitalise from our dominance. So the third quarter thecoaches would have expected to keep pressing and possibly the west coast would also break as others have.
The difference is that when WC upped the ante we had nothing. Our midfield was smashed and when they won the ball were pressured. WC were clean with the footy and there was no real pressure on them so they could kick it lace out most times. Their forward line was very organised and our defence couldn’t stop them.
It was a bad day at the office. A couple of changes, some fresh legs from keen vfl players that have been banging down the door (ie. Miles) and we should be right after bye.
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I see our midfield to many of them one paced players similar.That's for me were Menadue fits in this side.It's about time we develop Chol or Moore in our forward line give us another dimension we got till rd 22 to do it.
For me we a carrying are few passengers in our side shouldn't be the case as there is guys in our vfl performing Dimma having a bit to much faith.Towner,Conca,Macca,Lloyd and even Grigg and Butler to many.
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Changes need to be made. Lloyd, Conca, Grigg cant be in the side together because they are slow. Butler has been disgraceful the past two weeks and he needs a spell in the twos.
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Good reality check.
Can't win them all, the 2nd quarter was us at our best, the guys couldn't keep it up though.
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Defence was very very poor.
Rance running at Sheed, then just takes off away from goals and lets Sheed waltz in to 50???
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Our defenders have got to stop trying to intercept so much. Rance is the biggest culprit here. Whats happening is they are constantly off balance against quality ball movement which is resulting in easy marks by the opposition or infringing and giving away dumb frees in defensive 50. Need to tone it down a touch and find the right balance between defending the man and coming off to support.
I know it sounds stupid given how well we're travelling but I have noticed how many easy goals we concede is disproportionate to our overall goals conceded.
Probably a loss we needed to have to reiterate that as good as we are, we cant rest on our laurels and need to keep striving to get better, otherwise sides will catch us
Lloyd, Conca, Butler and Grigg were terrible. Not sure if we'll drop all of them, actually you could bet we wont as thats not our way.
Hopefully Prestia is back very soon, I think Menadue, Markov, Miles and wombat deserve a run sooner rather than later.
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Got in this mornign at 5.30
Just got up and watching the replay
The TV doesnt show how panicky our defence was in the for the 1st quarter
They were lost, disorganised and pointing fingers
And just on the stadium, it's very good but it isn't the MCG
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Changes need to be made. Lloyd, Conca, Grigg cant be in the side together because they are slow. Butler has been disgraceful the past two weeks and he needs a spell in the twos.
Bottom 6 looks exposed at quality opposition.
The defence had a shocker as a back 6 unit
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Not the end of the world, cannot beat them all and can't always be at your best.
We will bounce back next week.
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Third quarters this year continue to be a problem. Need to bounce back hard after this loss.
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Third quarters this year continue to be a problem. Need to bounce back hard after this loss.
This is a myth
our third quarters are still better than most in the competition.
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Melbourne, Collingwood, Freo, North and now West Coast have all pulled our pants down in third quarters. Whatever we are doing at half time isn't working.
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Momentum switches, big stuffing deal. As long as you win the game it doesn't matter.
Do people think we are the only team in the competition who wants to win games?
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Third quarters this year continue to be a problem. Need to bounce back hard after this loss.
This is a myth
our third quarters are still better than most in the competition.
Disagree. Third quarter against Freo poor, third quarter against North average and lost the game against the Eagles in the third quarter. Comparing our third quarters to other sides' third quarters is problematic and does not address the issue.
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Went to the game, a great stadium but TBH, i found the atmosphere underwhelming.
Observations of the game:-
Our bottom 6 struggling to contribute in big time games. Towner concerns me greatly along with Butler. They seem to have lost their mojo.
Castagna was also ineffective but overall has had the better season.
Jack showed what a champion he was but we needed him to kick all those set shots.
It’s a ground that seems to suit KPF’s - 30 odd marks inside 50 was a very high number.
Grigg’s misses were momentum killers, especially in that first q.
The back 6 were HORRIBLE.
Their mids dominated but I’d say the disorganised way our back 6 played contributed to the leaking of goals. There was nothing amazing at their forward entries and their key forwards simply weren’t put under enough pressure.
For the first time, it looked like each of them were waiting for the other to step up.
Rance looked crook, Astbury had an absolute mare and Grimes wasn’t much better.
I thought Dusty and the Nank had a real crack in the midfield but were overwhelmed by the quality and depth in their midfield.
Watching Grigg, Caddy and even Dusty in the ruck was bordering on embarrassing yesterday.
That tactic won’t work and was actively exploited by the Eagles.
So, outplayed, out coached, out selected and generally taught a lesson in preparation for the game.
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Coaches votes (Hardwick & Simpson)
WEST COAST v RICHMOND
10 Jack Darling (WCE)
8 Elliot Yeo (WCE)
5 Jack Riewoldt (Rich)
3 Jeremy McGovern (WCE)
3 Nic Naitanui (WCE)
1 Andrew Gaff (WCE)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-21/aflca-votes-round-nine-eagle-soars-to-second
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Went to the game, a great stadium but TBH, i found the atmosphere underwhelming.
Doesn't surprise me - all looks a bit sterile and contrived on television. :shh
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Rance copped an absolute hiding reminiscent of when Cloke took him apart in 2013.
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Needed to at the very least to revert to some good old fashioned one on one footy and try to disrupt their short kicking out of defence. :shh
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“They [Eagles] were always going to beat Richmond because it was their grand final,” Walls told AFL Tonight.
Source: PerthNow websiteurl] (https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/west-coast-eagles/robert-walls-latest-blunder-involving-ladder-leading-west-coast-ng-b88842845z)
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#weareeveryonesgrandfinal
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Was anyone on OER at the Sandy pub watching the game?
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Grigg going in the ruck against Nantanui was silly.This was a game horses for courses and we needed a couple of talls.Can't expect last seasons game plan to stack up again without fine tuning it.
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Grigg going in the ruck against Nantanui was silly.This was a game horses for courses and we needed a couple of talls.Can't expect last seasons game plan to stack up again without fine tuning it.
Do the talls actually have to have an impact or is the fact they are tall is enough?
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Grigg going in the ruck against Nantanui was silly.This was a game horses for courses and we needed a couple of talls.Can't expect last seasons game plan to stack up again without fine tuning it.
Do the talls actually have to have an impact or is the fact they are tall is enough?
Is it too late to redraft Todd Elton?
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Grigg going in the ruck against Nantanui was silly.This was a game horses for courses and we needed a couple of talls.Can't expect last seasons game plan to stack up again without fine tuning it.
Do the talls actually have to have an impact or is the fact they are tall is enough?
You don't know that until you play them and give them a go I guess.
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Grigg going in the ruck against Nantanui was silly.This was a game horses for courses and we needed a couple of talls.Can't expect last seasons game plan to stack up again without fine tuning it.
Do the talls actually have to have an impact or is the fact they are tall is enough?
Is it too late to redraft Todd Elton?
Or the bean stalk?
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If Reece McKenzie is taking his meds.... :shh
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Wat about clean knees Hughes
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Grigg going in the ruck against Nantanui was silly.This was a game horses for courses and we needed a couple of talls.Can't expect last seasons game plan to stack up again without fine tuning it.
Do the talls actually have to have an impact or is the fact they are tall is enough?
Is it too late to redraft Todd Elton?
Or the bean stalk?
Dioc has many bean stalks these days. As long as they're competing for a spot with Bellis, they've all got him covered apparently :shh
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Bellis only got a gig in the GF because we needed Menadue for the sprint..... :shh
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:shh ;)
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Thinking more about the Eagles loss, ignoring the fact we were terrible aside from the 2nd qtr, there were at least some pros for later on in the season:
1. The premiership isn't decided in May and not in Perth (provided you avoid a PF there). You want to be peaking in August/September not now. The Eagles are flying now especially at home. Have they peaked too early? Remember we were 5-4 at this time last year after 4 straight losses (including 3 narrow ones).
2. The Eagles have shown their cards against us. We have shown a capacity in the past 18 months that we learn a lot from our losses and find countermeasures next time around to turn around the result. We won all 5 return meetings last year to sides we first up lost to.
3. Prestia was/is a big loss from our midfield. He's very underrated. Not only for his ballwinning ability inside but he frees up Cotch & Dusty. Hopefully he is back up and running when it matters :pray (Same goes for Rioli's class up forward :pray ).
4. We (wrongly) carried too many sore/underdone bodies last week. We've looked tired in the second half the past two weeks. The bye heading into the finals should have everyone as fresh as can be for September. It's doubtful also we'll have the same 22 running around as we continue to sort out our best 22 for 2018 (more than likely different from 2017).
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Can add as a positive as well despite playing below par we were not thrashed and if we had been more accurate in the second quarter could have gone into the half time break ahead.
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Can add as a positive as well despite playing below par we were not thrashed and if we had been more accurate in the second quarter could have gone into the half time break ahead.
True but we did get comprehensively smashed in the guts and across HF after half-time. Coughing up 13 goals in a half to only our 6 is a beating :P.
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Can add as a positive as well despite playing below par we were not thrashed and if we had been more accurate in the second quarter could have gone into the half time break ahead.
True but we did get comprehensively smashed in the guts and across HF after half-time. Coughing up 13 goals in a half to only our 6 is a beating :P.
47 points is a bit of a thrashing in most books