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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 07, 2018, 04:59:29 PM
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We're now set to meet the loser of West Coast/Collingwood or the winner of Sydney/GWS in the Prelim.
Who would you like us to face?
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At this stage GWS preliminary sounds great and I can’t seeing it being much different to last year. :gotigers
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Wouldn’t mind GWS, reckon we have their measure, but it will be pies
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Recond we would go best against Sydney at the G.
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Wouldn’t mind GWS, reckon we have their measure, but it will be pies
Gee really? We were pretty bloody ordinary when we played them but they did roll us. They're getting to full strength now too. I'd be wanting to avoid them.
Most comfortable playing Sydney at the G TBH
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West Coast
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Wouldn’t mind GWS, reckon we have their measure, but it will be pies
Gee really? We were pretty bloody ordinary when we played them but they did roll us. They're getting to full strength now too. I'd be wanting to avoid them.
Most comfortable playing Sydney at the G TBH
Yeah really. They fell over the line against us on their dung heap after getting a head start. We played poorly but still should’ve won that comfortably. On the G they won’t get within 7-8 goals of us
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I know we can't play them till the GF (knock on wood) but Melbourne are my biggest concern. Proving my suspicions tonight.
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I know we can't play them till the GF (knock on wood) but Melbourne are my biggest concern. Proving my suspicions tonight.
I think our main challenger is emerging tonight.
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Don't care
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I know we can't play them till the GF (knock on wood) but Melbourne are my biggest concern. Proving my suspicions tonight.
I think our main challenger is emerging tonight.
We'll see ...umpires & a slow opponent past their prime making them look good and they're still blowing a few chances to finish them off... :shh
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I think we will get GWS in the prelim and West Coast in the GF.
Tickets will be easier to get if this happens.
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Sydney
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West Coast
I'd like that
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Was it me or did Melb play pretty poorly?
I have a feeling we would demolish them.
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I know we can't play them till the GF (knock on wood) but Melbourne are my biggest concern. Proving my suspicions tonight.
I think our main challenger is emerging tonight.
We'll see ...umpires & a slow opponent past their prime making them look good and they're still blowing a few chances to finish them off... :shh
I went a bit early..
they were pretty ordinary after the fast start. They also leave a lot of space for sides to break them down, if a slow side like Geelong can Create that many opportunities, we’d slice through them with ease
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Was it me or did Melb play pretty poorly?
I have a feeling we would demolish them.
They have no killer instinct. They have one trick and that’s inside football. They gave Geelong so many chances but Geelong just stank it up and had zero urgency. Yet any time Geelong turned it on briefly Melbourne fell apart. No one poo the bed under pressure like the Dees
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Was it me or did Melb play pretty poorly?
I have a feeling we would demolish them.
yep they arent much chop. I think their leaders lost them the game tonight rather than melbourne won it
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Richmond........ Daylight.......... Everyone else.
It doesn't matter who we play - we are a class above.
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Presuming our Prelim will be on a Friday night, then our opponent will be coming off a six day break.
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Saturday, September 15
Second semi-final
Loser of second qualifying final (West Coast v Collingwood) v winner of second elimination final (Sydney v Greater Western Sydney), with venue and time TBC
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-07/who-plays-who-in-week-two-of-finals
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Ok. I changed my mind. After seeing the swans play today and Geelong last night I wouldn’t mind playing either of those two especially the swans. :rollin
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Pies it’ll be. Can’t see gws beating the pies at the G next week, would love it if they did though.
Danger game, they are stuffing manic and we will have to be on to beat them.
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Pies it’ll be. Can’t see gws beating the pies at the G next week, would love it if they did though.
Danger game, they are stuffing manic and we will have to be on to beat them.
GWS have class to win, Pies have underdone players on return trip from Perth
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Next week will be Collingwoods grand final.
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Next week will be Collingwoods grand final.
I think tonight might have been. Reckon they will get belted by GWS myself.
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Pies it’ll be. Can’t see gws beating the pies at the G next week, would love it if they did though.
Danger game, they are stuffing manic and we will have to be on to beat them.
GWS have class to win, Pies have underdone players on return trip from Perth
GWS won't have their best player.... :shh
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-07/who-plays-who-in-week-two-of-finals
So who do we want now that the choice is down to just two?
Collingwood?
GWS?
Don't care?
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Rumour has it that our Prelim Final will now be on the Saturday rather than Friday as per usual for the team that finished on top of the ladder because the AFL doesn't want GWS or Collingwood playing us off a six day break.
While Dimma and our players will play anywhere anytime, why should we lose our advantage for finishing on top to placate teams that finished below us and why should the Eagles/Melb/Hawks get an extra day over us to prepare for the GF?
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Moving of the goalposts again by the AFL if true, is there a precedent or is this the first ever talk of something like this?
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Looks like it will be the pies.
They were manic but very fumbly.
2015 dogs finihed 13th, won the flag 2016
2016 Tigers finished 13th, won the flag 2017
2017 pies finished 13th, ...twilight zone??..
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Looks like it will be the pies.
They were manic but very fumbly.
2015 dogs finihed 13th, won the flag 2016
2016 Tigers finished 13th, won the flag 2017
2017 pies finished 13th, ...twilight zone??..
Dogs finished 6th in ‘15 but I see what you were trying to do here.
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Looks like it will be the pies.
They were manic but very fumbly.
2015 dogs finihed 13th, won the flag 2016
2016 Tigers finished 13th, won the flag 2017
2017 pies finished 13th, ...twilight zone??..
Dogs finished 6th in ‘15 but I see what you were trying to do here.
Thanks, now it won't happen, phew!
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Take the bias away
It makes sense to have West Coast Preliminary on a Friday Night . The team opposing west Coast wins , allows them to get back to home state next day
Ours can be the same as last year , twilight against GWS would be nice
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Take the bias away
It makes sense to have West Coast Preliminary on a Friday Night . The team opposing west Coast wins , allows them to get back to home state next day
Ours can be the same as last year , twilight against GWS would be nice
Actually agree with you Jack.
No issue when it is to be honest.
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GWS - I want Collingwood out
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agree cub though pies will win and win easily if greene and/or kelly miss
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Pies Rich blockbuster, most free kicks for vs most free kicks against.
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Pies Rich blockbuster, most free kicks for vs most free kicks against.
I get really nervous at that, especially if they pack an all star cast umpiring outfit.
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Take the bias away
It makes sense to have West Coast Preliminary on a Friday Night . The team opposing west Coast wins , allows them to get back to home state next day
Ours can be the same as last year , twilight against GWS would be nice
Actually agree with you Jack.
No issue when it is to be honest.
So we finish on top 2 games and percentage clear and you want to give away any advantage we earned?
Where does it say it’s meant to be fair? You finish on top and you get some advantages.
Not only that you want to give pertentially a team that finished 5th (4 games behind us) an extra day to prepare for a grand final if they win the prelim?
Would you still not have a problem if we weren’t as good as we are?
I know it probably won’t make much difference but that is not the point!
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Pies Rich blockbuster, most free kicks for vs most free kicks against.
Not funny at all - The umpires love them, I could lose my mind :shh
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It’s Friday Night
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Might as well give us this now 🏆
AFL done Tiges huge favour
Let’s hope Pies/GWS is a bruising affair
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Take the bias away
It makes sense to have West Coast Preliminary on a Friday Night . The team opposing west Coast wins , allows them to get back to home state next day
Ours can be the same as last year , twilight against GWS would be nice
Actually agree with you Jack.
No issue when it is to be honest.
So we finish on top 2 games and percentage clear and you want to give away any advantage we earned?
Where does it say it’s meant to be fair? You finish on top and you get some advantages.
Not only that you want to give pertentially a team that finished 5th (4 games behind us) an extra day to prepare for a grand final if they win the prelim?
Would you still not have a problem if we weren’t as good as we are?
I know it probably won’t make much difference but that is not the point!
exactly BT
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-09-08/richmond-to-host-friday-night-preliminary-final
Confirmed Friday night
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-09-08/richmond-to-host-friday-night-preliminary-final
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Our Damn right Friday night, the rest can go and get stuffed :clapping
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Was it me or did Melb play pretty poorly?
I have a feeling we would demolish them.
Don't discount Hawthorn against them... Have a sneaky feeling Hawks will get them.
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Take the bias away
It makes sense to have West Coast Preliminary on a Friday Night . The team opposing west Coast wins , allows them to get back to home state next day
Ours can be the same as last year , twilight against GWS would be nice
Actually agree with you Jack.
No issue when it is to be honest.
So we finish on top 2 games and percentage clear and you want to give away any advantage we earned?
Where does it say it’s meant to be fair? You finish on top and you get some advantages.
Not only that you want to give pertentially a team that finished 5th (4 games behind us) an extra day to prepare for a grand final if they win the prelim?
Would you still not have a problem if we weren’t as good as we are?
I know it probably won’t make much difference but that is not the point!
No I wouldn't care.
Dont care who we play, when we play and where we play. Makes no difference.
Not interested in looking for excuses, we are not Geelong. We are Richmond!
We get screwed week in week, have all season (ump department says how ya doin😉) so it makes, should not make one iota of diiference
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Might as well give us this now 🏆
AFL done Tiges huge favour
Let’s hope Pies/GWS is a bruising affair
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:lol
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Don't care either way. It'll be a tough encounter but if we bring our best high pressure all-ground team footy then we'll beat either of them.
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that's pretty funny but I do like the passion that space cadet shows :D
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Take the bias away
It makes sense to have West Coast Preliminary on a Friday Night . The team opposing west Coast wins , allows them to get back to home state next day
Ours can be the same as last year , twilight against GWS would be nice
Actually agree with you Jack.
No issue when it is to be honest.
So we finish on top 2 games and percentage clear and you want to give away any advantage we earned?
Where does it say it’s meant to be fair? You finish on top and you get some advantages.
Not only that you want to give pertentially a team that finished 5th (4 games behind us) an extra day to prepare for a grand final if they win the prelim?
Would you still not have a problem if we weren’t as good as we are?
I know it probably won’t make much difference but that is not the point!
No I wouldn't care.
Dont care who we play, when we play and where we play. Makes no difference.
Not interested in looking for excuses, we are not Geelong. We are Richmond!
We get screwed week in week, have all season (ump department says how ya doin😉) so it makes, should not make one iota of diiference
I thought the point of 23 home and away rounds was to determine who plays in the finals, where they are played and even when they are played.
What’s the point of it all otherwise?
Saying you don’t care where we play is a stretch too imo.
Anyway the AFL obviously see it like most do.
Friday night it is with the extra days rest.
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Take the bias away
It makes sense to have West Coast Preliminary on a Friday Night . The team opposing west Coast wins , allows them to get back to home state next day
Ours can be the same as last year , twilight against GWS would be nice
Actually agree with you Jack.
No issue when it is to be honest.
So we finish on top 2 games and percentage clear and you want to give away any advantage we earned?
Where does it say it’s meant to be fair? You finish on top and you get some advantages.
Not only that you want to give pertentially a team that finished 5th (4 games behind us) an extra day to prepare for a grand final if they win the prelim?
Would you still not have a problem if we weren’t as good as we are?
I know it probably won’t make much difference but that is not the point!
No I wouldn't care.
Dont care who we play, when we play and where we play. Makes no difference.
Not interested in looking for excuses, we are not Geelong. We are Richmond!
We get screwed week in week, have all season (ump department says how ya doin😉) so it makes, should not make one iota of diiference
I thought the point of 23 home and away game was to determine who plays in the finals, where they are played and even when they are played.
What’s the point of it all otherwise?
Saying you don’t care where we play is a stretch too imo.
Anyway the AFL obviously see it like most do.
Friday night it is with the extra days rest.
not being a pedant but we only play 22 home and away games
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That should have been “23 home and away rounds”
Thanks for the pick up. That sentence makes so much more sense now. :rollin
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I thought the point of 23 home and away rounds was to determine who plays in the finals, where they are played and even when they are played.
What’s the point of it all otherwise?
Saying you don’t care where we play is a stretch too imo.
Anyway the AFL obviously see it like most do.
Friday night it is with the extra days rest.
We finished top 4 that guaranteed us a double chance and a minimum 2 home finals - we got those, that's IMHO the most important thing to take out the H&A season
As to what day and what time they are scheduled I really don't care.
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I thought the point of 23 home and away rounds was to determine who plays in the finals, where they are played and even when they are played.
What’s the point of it all otherwise?
Saying you don’t care where we play is a stretch too imo.
Anyway the AFL obviously see it like most do.
Friday night it is with the extra days rest.
We finished top 4 that guaranteed us a double chance and a minimum 2 home finals - we got those, that's IMHO the most important thing to take out the H&A season
As to what day and what time they are scheduled I really don't care.
pretty sure you did when it was scheduled on a thursday
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I thought the point of 23 home and away rounds was to determine who plays in the finals, where they are played and even when they are played.
What’s the point of it all otherwise?
Saying you don’t care where we play is a stretch too imo.
Anyway the AFL obviously see it like most do.
Friday night it is with the extra days rest.
We finished top 4 that guaranteed us a double chance and a minimum 2 home finals - we got those, that's IMHO the most important thing to take out the H&A season
As to what day and what time they are scheduled I really don't care.
Didn’t you in another thread say it was “a joke” we had to play on Thursday night?
That hardly suggests you don’t really care when our finals are scheduled??
Can you explain what you mean because I’m confused??
I agree with the rest you said about the double chance and the home finals, but earning top spot gets you more than just the 2 most important things. An extra day to prepare for a GF is pretty important too IMO.
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Didn’t you in another thread say it was “a joke” we had to play on Thursday night?
That hardly suggests you don’t really care when our finals are scheduled??
Can you explain what you mean because I’m confused??
I agree with the rest you said about the double chance and the home finals, but earning top spot gets you more than just the 2 most important things. An extra day to prepare for a GF is pretty important too IMO.
Yes I did because I am deadset against ANY games on Thursday night football. Not just finals but any games on Thursday nights.
Thursday night games are a disgrace. The are not good for families, not good for people who have to front up for work the next day. It is a TV rating money grab and not in the best interest of fans
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fair enough
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Didn’t you in another thread say it was “a joke” we had to play on Thursday night?
That hardly suggests you don’t really care when our finals are scheduled??
Can you explain what you mean because I’m confused??
I agree with the rest you said about the double chance and the home finals, but earning top spot gets you more than just the 2 most important things. An extra day to prepare for a GF is pretty important too IMO.
Yes I did because I am deadset against ANY games on Thursday night football. Not just finals but any games on Thursday nights.
Thursday night games are a disgrace. The are not good for families, not good for people who have to front up for work the next day. It is a TV rating money grab and not in the best interest of fans
A hell of a lot of people work on Saturdays too WP, so are Friday night games out too?
But I think you are missing my point, which is, why give away any advantage we have earned by finishing top of the ladder, 2 games clear by potentially giving a side that finished below us on the ladder an extra day to prepare??
I’m gathering in terms of you not working on Saturday or Sunday makes it easy either way what day you go to the footy but it’s more about getting every little thing in our favour if we do happen to get into a GF.
Anyway we are playing on the Friday night so it doesn’t really matter. :thumbsup
But I’m tipping the RFC would have had something to say about it if it wasn’t that way.
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The Herald-Sun is running with how unfair it is to Collingwood :nopity
THE winner of this week’s blockbuster semi-final between Collingwood and GWS will receive only a six day break before taking on the Tigers in a preliminary final.
For the Magpies, that would cap off a horror finals schedule, with the club already handed a seven-day break on the back of a trip to Perth.
Hawthorn, who finished one spot lower than the Magpies, will enjoy an eight day break before taking on Melbourne on Friday.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-finals-fixture-check-out-the-finals-schedule-for-weeks-two-and-three/news-story/662531b0d15068a1c4419153f6147d05
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SIX-DAY BREAK BEFORE A PRELIMINARY FINAL - 2000-2018
SEASON CLUB OPP OPP BREAK VENUE RESULT
2012 Coll Syd 13 days ANZ L26
2016 Syd Geel 14 days MCG W37
2018 Coll/GWS Rich 15 days MCG ?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-09/fixture-made-even-tougher-for-tiger-opponents
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Might as well give us this now 🏆
AFL done Tiges huge favour
Let’s hope Pies/GWS is a bruising affair
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:lol
Right on cue. Eddie isn't happy :sleep.
Eddie McGuire has called on the AFL to change its fixture for the preliminary finals after saying the League had "cocked up" its scheduling.
"Correct me if we were wrong, but didn’t we just get told the reason we had a Thursday [night] set-up was to ensure that every team would get a seven-day break?" McGuire said on Triple M on Monday morning.
"It's mitigated by the fact that in doing so they wanted to make sure the top team in Richmond quite rightfully gets an extra day [off]. But you can't change horses mid-stream, because it doesn't make any sense. If that was the case then Collingwood should have played West Coast on Thursday or Friday night.
"We know they couldn't do it on Thursday night because it was a school day so that's fair enough, but a Friday night game starting at six o'clock over there which is what happens every other Friday night you play in Perth, would've worked out.
"You can't make a rule on the one week and then change it going into the preliminary finals. They have completely cocked this up, the AFL."
The AFL's fixture manager Travis Auld defended the move, saying the League had prioritised the Tigers given they finished on top of the ladder at the end of the home and away season.
"There's a couple of principles we adopt and the first one is the minor premier, should they win the first week, they earnt the right to the first preliminary final on the Friday night," Auld said.
McGuire said West Coast, and the winner of the semi-final between Melbourne and Hawthorn, would be disadvantaged by the decision to play the Eagles' preliminary final on Saturday night.
"It's just wrong. You guys have got this one wrong. If you flip the preliminary finals, everybody gets a seven-day break. And the teams coming back from Western Australia can come back on the Friday night on the red eye [flight] if they want or come back on the Saturday morning," McGuire said in a heated exchange with Auld.
"You've landed on the wrong spot. You've got two weeks to change it. Why don't you have another meeting this morning and have another look. It won't happen? Why, because the fixture's been so good all year? How about we fix the fixture for the finals and make it even for everyone to have ago at winning the flag.
"For god's sake mate, you're going to disadvantage three teams going into a Grand Final for no reason."
Auld said the AFL would not be changing its fixture, adding it was in discussions with partner airline Virgin Australia to ensure Hawthorn or Melbourne would be able to fly back to Victoria on Saturday after the preliminary final against West Coast.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-10/afl-cocked-up-finals-fixture-says-mcguire
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"It's mitigated by the fact that in doing so they wanted to make sure the top team in Richmond quite rightfully gets an extra day [off]. But you can't change horses mid-stream, because it doesn't make any sense. If that was the case then Collingwood should have played West Coast on Thursday or Friday night.
"We know they couldn't do it on Thursday night because it was a school day so that's fair enough, but a Friday night game starting at six o'clock over there which is what happens every other Friday night you play in Perth, would've worked out.
In fairness to Eddie, he has a point here. The Eagles/Pies game should have been on the Friday night. They usually have the Qualifying finals before the Elimination finals. Mind you though if the Pies had won their QF or finished on top of the ladder themselves then Eddie wouldn't be complaining.
If you flip the preliminary finals, everybody gets a seven-day break.
But that would disadvantage Richmond who earned the few advantages of finishing top on the ladder.
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Ed kept factoring the flight home for the prelim, except if both Richmond and Eagles win then that would mean the Eagles have the extra night recovery so we're being looked after as a best-case-scenario. He is being presumptuous. If he didn't have a horse in the race he wouldn't be so fired up. He should be just be thinking about this week first.
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You want a break win your match next time sookin Eddie, or finish 1st or 2nd, and I don't mean on the umpire's free kick ladder.
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AFL has confirmed today we're playing our Prelim on the Friday night :thumbsup.
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https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1039387406699360256
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By the way, Brendon Gale was asked about the Prelim fixtur last night and he said it would be against usual practice if we as the top side didn't play the first Prelim Final on the Friday night just as Adelaide did last year.
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Now the date has been confirmed, I've merged both Prelim threads.
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Just checked and in the past 10 years the team which finished minor premiers have always played on the Friday night prelim regardless of whether they win their qualifying final or not. The only exception being 2012 where Sydney and you guessed it Collingwood who finished 3rd and 4th played on the Friday night. Although that setup meant Collingwood played in the prelim off a 6 day break while Adelaide had an 8 day break in the other prelim against hawthorn so not sure whether that proves a point either way......
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And the reason the top side playes the prelim on the Friday night is because if they win they get the longest break before the GF.
Why should a team that finished lower get the longer break before the GF?
I just don’t get how this is even a question
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I hope they belt the snot out of each other, especially Toby Greene
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Sheez I'd love for pies to beat GWS this week! Not for ticketing obviously, but I think Collinwood are no good! Easy run and have beaten up on no one! I always said they would go in str8 sets because they are coming up against quality sides! Weagles were terrible on the weekend and still were a 5 goal better side, Freo the game before almost got over the line! Granted injuries play a part but I'd almost be locking in a GF spot if we play Collingwood.
GWS on the other hand, if a good outfit comes to play and especially after beating Pies at the G it could be a hard task.
Bring on the PIES!! PLEASE!!
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Its interesting isnt it. id say you are probably right, though the small chance at losing to the pies and delivering them a chance at a flag doesnt sit well with me and the anxiety will slowly creep in.
I have been pretty relaxed all year no matter who we play
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I would love RFC VS GWS again and maybe this time Deledio can wish congrats to Cotchin and Co and watch the grand final
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The AFL has got its wish. Good luck getting a ticket.
Friday, September 21
First preliminary final
Richmond v Collingwood at the MCG, 7.50pm
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-15/who-plays-who-in-week-three-of-the-finals
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First time we've met them in a final since the 1980 Grand Final :thumbsup.
First time we've met them in a Prelim Final since 1973 when Royce Hart came off the bench at half-time and we came from 6 goals down to win and then went on to win the flag :thumbsup.
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Brandon Ellis a certainty to play now. No match up for The Broad Sword :shh
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Brandon Ellis a certainty to play now. No match up for The Broad Sword :shh
Broad could play on a number of their forwards. DeGoey, Mihocek, Stephenson. Reckon he plays
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From Ticketek Website:
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When do tickets go on sale?
2018 AFL Finals Series - Week 3
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Brandon Ellis a certainty to play now. No match up for The Broad Sword :shh
Broad could play on a number of their forwards. DeGoey, Mihocek, Stephenson. Reckon he plays
Agree, pmac. Broad plays on either Mihocek, Stephenson or even Mayne. Depends on who the Pies play as their high forward that leads up to the wing.
Grimes or Floss gets DeGoey.
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After watching both games this weekend and the games lat weekend Melbourne is the team that that worries me the most.
As a Tiger for over half a century I have learned never to be over confident. Best chance for us is West Coast in the GF.
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Brandon Ellis a certainty to play now. No match up for The Broad Sword :shh
Broads a much better matchup on their medium quick fwds.
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The hardest match-ups are in our forward line. The Pies have similar types around 6'2" who don't match-up on our quicker small forwards. We can exploit the Pie defenders with our pace and forward pressure.
B: Dylan Grimes David Astbury Alex Rance
F: Jordan De Goey Mason Cox Jaidyn Stephenson
HB: Jayden Short Nathan Broad Nick Vlastuin
HF: Will Hoskin-Elliott Brody Mihocek Josh Thomas
C: Kane Lambert Trent Cotchin Kamdyn McIntosh
C: Adam Treloar Scott Pendlebury Tom Phillips
Foll: Toby Nankervis Dion Prestia Jack Graham
Foll: Brodie Grundy Taylor Adams Steele Sidebottom
HF: Josh Caddy Jack Riewoldt Shane Edwards
HB: Jeremy Howe Tyson Goldsack Jack Crisp
F: Daniel Rioli Dustin Martin Jason Castagna
B: Brayden Maynard Tom Langdon James Aish
I/C: Bachar Houli, Jack Higgins, Reece Conca, Shaun Grigg
I/C: Chris Mayne, Travis Varcoe, Levi Greenwood, Brayden Sier
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yeah bux nice try mate. "Ooh yeah i think its tough on the tigers just waiting around for their opponents"
uum we did the same build up last year einstein.
Hope we whipe the floor with these smug pricks
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Brandon Ellis a certainty to play now. No match up for The Broad Sword :shh
Broad could play on a number of their forwards. DeGoey, Mihocek, Stephenson. Reckon he plays
Stephenson the only one I'd even consider playing him on. DeGoey would kick 8 on him dude.
Grimes/DeGoey
Vlas/Mihocek
Astbury/Cox
Rance to play off Mayne and take intercept marks all night long.
Can't afford to carry someone like Broad who'll likely struggle on a dry night against a decent opponent and also rack up less than 5 kicks. Need another runner. This time last year I'd have full confidence in Broady...not right now :shh
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If the ‘G was big enough, they’d get 150,000 on Friday night.
Mark Robinson,
Herald Sun
16 September 2018
TALK about colossal.
It’s Richmond versus Collingwood on Friday night in the preliminary final and for the next six days all of Melbourne, and all of Victoria, will froth with anticipation and more than likely frustration.
The hunt for tickets will be as furious as Charlie searching for the golden ticket from the friends of Willy Wonka.
Ticket prices will soar as scalpers, thought to be outlawed, multiply the price.
Brothers of friends who are daughters of the bootstudder at both Richmond and Collingwood will be asked for favours.
Fans will beg, borrow and steal — and no pun intended in the face of a million jokes — to get themselves to the MCG.
There will be tears and ecstasy as fans celebrate and commiserate, and fingers crossed Ticketek doesn’t blow a gasket.
When these two teams last met in a big final — the 1980 Grand Final which was attended by 113,461 fans — the teams probably had 5000 members.
Today, it’s 100,000 for Richmond and 80,000 for Collingwood.
If the ‘G was big enough, they’d get 150,000 on Friday night.
For all their history fuelled by suburban hatred across 120 years, they have only played nine finals matches with Richmond winning six and losing three.
Collingwood president Eddie McGuire was thrilled. “We’re going Tiger hunting,’’ he said in the rooms.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/collingwood-and-richmonds-preliminary-final-would-draw-150000-writes-mark-robinson/news-story/45e2037759789fff47039c38ddd084d6
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yeah bux nice try mate. "Ooh yeah i think its tough on the tigers just waiting around for their opponents"
uum we did the same build up last year einstein.
Hope we whipe the floor with these smug pricks
'Tigers are beatable': Pies' best can match the best, says Bucks
By Daniel Cherny
The Age
16 September 2018
Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley has declared Richmond are beatable ahead of Friday night’s preliminary final between the clubs.
The Magpies booked their place in the penultimate weekend of the season with a 10-point win over Greater Western Sydney on Saturday night.
Attention has quickly turned to Friday night’s meeting of the traditional rivals, a clash likely to draw more than 95,000 to the MCG.
The Tigers finished two games clear on top of the ladder this year, and haven’t lost at the ‘G since midway through last season, but Buckley insisted the reigning premiers could be toppled.
“They’ve been the best team in the comp since a month or two months leading into the finals series last year,” Buckley said.
“And they’ve finished top in the home and away this year. Everyone’s waiting for them to fall over, they’re not going to fall over. They’ve got to be beaten. We believe they can be beaten. We believe our best footy will stack up, but talking about it and doing it are two different things.
Buckley also played down the potential impact of a six-day break between games for the Pies, compared to Richmond, who will enter the match off a 15-day break.
“They might be a bit dusty,” Buckley pondered.
“Too long without playing. Who knows? I mean you can write it up however you want. But we know what our break is, we’re looking forward to the challenge. They know what their break is, they’re looking forward to the challenge, and whoever wins gets an extra day of preparation for the granny.”
He also suggested the Pies didn’t run themselves into exhaustion against the Giants.
“We didn’t have to run our guts out necessarily. We still had to work hard, but I think we were relatively efficient in what we did.
“What you do is you recover them, and you give them the chance to get over the game. And you handle it the same way you handle it in home and away.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-are-beatable-pies-best-can-match-the-best-says-bucks-20180915-p5041g.html
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Will be huge, once again hope the umpires don't affect the result.
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Got to make Howe accountable to not let him chop out everything last game Towner did it not to sure now.
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Brandon Ellis a certainty to play now. No match up for The Broad Sword :shh
Broad could play on a number of their forwards. DeGoey, Mihocek, Stephenson. Reckon he plays
Stephenson the only one I'd even consider playing him on. DeGoey would kick 8 on him dude.
Grimes/DeGoey
Vlas/Mihocek
Astbury/Cox
Rance to play off Mayne and take intercept marks all night long.
Can't afford to carry someone like Broad who'll likely struggle on a dry night against a decent opponent and also rack up less than 5 kicks. Need another runner. This time last year I'd have full confidence in Broady...not right now :shh
Ulterior motive :shh
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We have to tag Sidebottom imo.
We cannot let him just rack up kicks across our half forwardlne.
Our backline will do the job on their forwards, and Nank, Cotch, Martin and Lambert will do what they always do, but we need our pressure forwards to not let them have easy exits from our forwardline like the last couple of games the Pies have played.
We should realistically take care of them fairly easy if we play well but I must admit I’m nervous about this game. I think whoever wins it, wins it all.
🤞 it’s us.
And unless their is an injury to one of our backs, we are spared watching Bellis again this year.
Thank stuff!
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Will Ticketek handle 180k people trying to buy approx 55k tickets survive or will we witness a system meltdown again?
Whatever the outcome good luck everyone in trying to get tickets
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I would bring in Butler for this game. He will be champing at the bit. His pace is needed and he should play IMHO.
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Can't wait to read every article mentioning Collingwoods injuries.
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Can't wait to read every article mentioning Collingwoods injuries.
Or six day break.
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Or how a review saved Buckley and installed new assistents while he changed the club’s attitude and game plan to a way that has never been done.
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And unless their is an injury to one of our backs, we are spared watching Bellis again this year.
Thank stuff!
There*
:thumbsup
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Or how a review saved Buckley and installed new assistents while he changed the club’s attitude and game plan to a way that has never been done.
This
:lol
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AFL preliminary final preview: Richmond v Collingwood
Peter Ryan
The Age
16 Sep 2018
Richmond and Collingwood represent the best example of football's latest iteration, both teams saying goodbye to possession football and hello to quick ball movement and chaotic entries inside 50.
It may not be pretty but that won't matter because few clashes have been as anticipated as this one between two clubs with the most fanatic supporters in the competition.
They have not played a final since the 1980 decider and would have been long odds to play each other in a preliminary final this century at the end of 2016, let alone just two years later.
An upset win by the Magpies would be comparable to Carlton's memorable victory over Essendon in the 1999 preliminary final and deny the Tigers the chance to become back-to-back premiers for the first time since 1973-74.
Collingwood's path to the preliminary final has followed a similar track to the one the Tigers took in 2017 with an under-siege coach keeping his job after a club wide review and then taking the team from 13th into third spot.
Unlike the Tigers who have remained free of injury for most of the past two seasons, the Magpies have kept coming despite suffering injury after injury, losing a tight qualifying final to the Eagles before bouncing back against the Giants.
As a result Richmond have maintained flag favouritism for most of the season while the Magpies' flag chances have been repeatedly written off.
But that will mean little to the hordes of supporters following the result as Collingwood has sensed all season they are closing in on the Tigers.
HISTORY LESSON
Richmond have beaten Collingwood twice this season and have not lost to them in their past four encounters.
On both occasions in 2018, the Magpies have remained in the contest until three-quarter time before being blown away in the final quarter.
But the Magpies took confidence from their most recent match as they were in touch at the final break before any hope of keeping pace was ruined when defenders Jeremy Howe and Matt Scharenberg were both lost to injury.
In that game Collingwood won contested possession and out-tackled the Tigers but they were not good enough to match Richmond over four quarters. The Tigers had an even contribution with every player collecting between 11 and 22 disposals.
It won't mean much to anyone but the fans, but Collingwood has not beaten Richmond in a final since 1937.
X-FACTOR
Richmond have Dusty Martin, who sparked their qualifying final victory, but they also have brilliant livewire forwards Jack Higgins and Dan Rioli.
Martin can expect Levi Greenwood to run with him but the reigning Brownlow medallist only needs a couple of moments to turn the game Richmond's way.
Higgins is a smart footballer who plays beyond his years, his audacious goal against the Magpies in round 19 one of the year's highlights, while Collingwood don't have an obvious match up for Rioli.
Jordan De Goey is Collingwood's obvious X-factor in front of goal but Brodie Grundy has a chance to expose Toby Nankervis and deny Richmond the forward 50 entries they need to prevail.
TACTICS
Get the ball forward, quickly and without care, so the opposition have to defend under pressure in dangerous positions.
Lack of finesse is a Tiger trademark and the Magpies have improved by adopting a similar game that prioritises territory over perfect ball movement.
Both teams like to bring the ball to ground in their front half and fight to build pressure and create repeat entries inside 50.
The Tigers are the best team at scoring from turnovers by a long way and are incredibly efficient too but the Magpies have built their game on defending hard before racing the ball up the ground to rob the opposition of time to reset their defence.
Both have small forward lines that compete in the air but are frightening when the ball hits the ground and if you are not clean with the ball they will swarm all over you and run hard forward.
PREDICTION
It would be folly to tip against Richmond based on their form in finals, at the MCG and their recent wins against Collingwood.
However Collingwood have a similar blend of experience and explosive, precocious youth and a game style to worry the Tigers.
As always the midfield battle will be critical as both teams depend on gaining territory.
Richmond's Toby Nankervis leads Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Shane Edwards and Kane Lambert into battle but the Magpies should win contested ball with Grundy, Scott Pendlebury, Steele Sidebottom, Adam Treloar and Taylor Adams as well credentialled.
Richmond have a star forward in Jack Riewoldt that the Magpies lack while only Howe sits on a par with Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes, David Astbury and Nick Vlastuin when defenders are mentioned.
Richmond by 24 points.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/preliminary-final-preview-richmond-v-collingwood-20180913-p503na.html
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Will Ticketek handle 180k people trying to buy approx 55k tickets survive or will we witness a system meltdown again?
Whatever the outcome good luck everyone in trying to get tickets
Is there any limitations? Any tiger member can try and get a ticket? First in best dressed?
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Finals frequently asked questions
Tickets to Richmond's preliminary final will go on-sale as per the following...
One ticket per member barcode
Ticket on-sale
Club Members – 9am, Monday September 17
General Public – 2pm, Monday September 17
AFL Members – 9am, Tuesday September 18
Website: www.ticketek.com.au
General Phone: 132 849
Find a Ticketek Agency, click here (http://click.tmclient.ticketmaster.com/?qs=9ee9de8e89df43f6682456dfb4ec809cae3b9e8dfc24ee8d092abce698b4a3c4cc899cd5e5c98ecbc2e8b6d2d9da8903bc6c84c03f89d778e963393b342f7a7b)
For Wheelchair and Accessible Seating: 1300 665 915
Tickets cannot be purchased through the Richmond Football Club.
How are tickets sold?
Tickets will be sold on a first in, next best available basis and will be subject to availability.
You will be able to purchase based on your preferred price category for the first three weeks of finals. However due to the demand for tickets, all ticket agents are advised to sell ‘next best available’ to make the allocation process fast and convenient for purchasers.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/finals/finals-faq
ummmm are tickets sales for members, from 9am to 1pm or 9am to 11am?
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Will Ticketek handle 180k people trying to buy approx 55k tickets survive or will we witness a system meltdown again?
Whatever the outcome good luck everyone in trying to get tickets
Is there any limitations? Any tiger member can try and get a ticket? First in best dressed?
Yep first in best dressed between 9am and 1pm
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Good point in the age article about our 4 a grade defenders plus you can throw in short and houli. The pies won't get scoring shots as easily as last night
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Yesterday against Giants pies had space and did as they pleased.I seen a bit of pressure and tackling from giants in there forward 50 and pies were under pressure.Got to bring the heat from our forwsrd 50 and through the midfield pressure and tackling and hit them hard and cut there space.Have to make Howe accountable to.
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I would bring in Butler for this game. He will be champing at the bit. His pace is needed and he should play IMHO.
Yep I would drop Conca and bring in Butler.
Conca adds very little that others in the side cannot cover.
If Conca plays, what is his roll?
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Yesterday against Giants pies had space and did as they pleased.I seen a bit of pressure and tackling from giants in there forward 50 and pies were under pressure.Got to bring the heat from our forwsrd 50 and through the midfield pressure and tackling and hit them hard and cut there space.Have to make Howe accountable to.
There was atleast 10-15min when the giants actually brought some pressure in the second quarter and the Pies basically stopped dead in their tracks whilst the giants piled on four unanswered goals. The giants just couldn’t sustain that level of pressure for any longer than that.
I’m expecting a major embarrassment and a fizzer Preliminary Final after a massive build up this week. They won’t know what hit them.
We do what we do and the Colliwobbles will be sorry they made it this far. :rollin
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I would bring in Butler for this game. He will be champing at the bit. His pace is needed and he should play IMHO.
Yep I would drop Conca and bring in Butler.
Conca adds very little that others in the side cannot cover.
If Conca plays, what is his roll?
Big call on Butler, you may be right, and i was of the same opinion, but Conca scores highly in pressure acts SIB and somehow is a team barometer.
I think there will be no changes barring injury.
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I would bring in Butler for this game. He will be champing at the bit. His pace is needed and he should play IMHO.
Yep I would drop Conca and bring in Butler.
Conca adds very little that others in the side cannot cover.
If Conca plays, what is his roll?
Big call on Butler, you may be right, and i was of the same opinion, but Conca scores highly in pressure acts SIB and somehow is a team barometer.
I think there will be no changes barring injury.
Yup he was third for tackles and second for pressure against hawks so can’t see conca being dropped. Higgins and kmac were the other 2 I thought might have lost their spot for finals if butler were to come back but they were both fantastic in the qualifying final. Butler would be an awesome inclusion but I just don’t know who would be dropped for him.
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Conca has never, ever been dropped. Ever :shh
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Conca has never, ever been dropped. Ever :shh
Neither had Bellis until he had.
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I would bring in Butler for this game. He will be champing at the bit. His pace is needed and he should play IMHO.
Yep I would drop Conca and bring in Butler.
Conca adds very little that others in the side cannot cover.
If Conca plays, what is his roll?
Could be tagging Sidebottom.He gives our midfielders a chop out to and also when they push forward can go in the guts.
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Well a 150,000 seat stadium would’ve been bloody useful for next week!! #JustSayin
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnIlvKCU8AEmlBf.jpg)
https://twitter.com/VFLPark/status/1040935962958749697
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Well a 150,000 seat stadium would’ve been bloody useful for next week!! #JustSayin
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnIlvKCU8AEmlBf.jpg)
https://twitter.com/VFLPark/status/1040935962958749697
But what happens next year when we crack 200k members, going for the 3peat? :shh
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/nathan-buckley-s-message-to-collingwood-players-after-gws-win-20180916-p50445.html
Well done for stating the obvious that anyone is beatable wankers.
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Conca has never, ever been dropped. Ever :shh
Neither had Bellis until he had.
Both are playing Friday night :shh
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But what happens next year when we crack 200k members, going for the 3peat? :shh
Same thing that happens today - close to 70k miss out
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Anyone got tickets yet? I've been in the queue for an hour...
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I got tickets M14 row T. Took me 5 minutes.
Good luck
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Anyone got tickets yet? I've been in the queue for an hour...
Got 4, but went in a three pronged attack with my mates. I didn't get anywhere personally.
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Anyone got tickets yet? I've been in the queue for an hour...
Logged on at 8.27 am and finally got tickets at 9.20am
Ticketek = bloody pathetic :banghead
But seats in the Ponsford
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I got tickets M14 row T. Took me 5 minutes.
Good luck
When did you jump in the queue?
I'm too scared to go hang out my washing lol
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Ridiculous, I've been waiting for 1h20m :(
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Had a good experience this time. Logged in at 8:30 with 5 tabs open. Had tickets by 9:03am
4 tickets Level 2. Category 1.
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Got 1x in Q53-2, Cat 5, and 1x M standing room.
Terrible system :(
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Was on 3 devices - Laptop, iPhone, iPad at 8:50 ...
Got through at 9:05 on iPad and got 3 x L1 tickets by 9:08am
:thumbsup :gotigers
Could it be the order of membership you put in?
I have 3 Maurice Rioli memberships - 2 Gold and a Bronze?
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Had a good experience this time. Logged in at 8:30 with 5 tabs open. Had tickets by 9:03am
4 tickets Level 2. Category 1.
Same!
we’re your memberships all Gold?
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Had a good experience this time. Logged in at 8:30 with 5 tabs open. Had tickets by 9:03am
4 tickets Level 2. Category 1.
Same!
we’re your memberships all Gold?
No, 2 gold only
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Logged on browser on Iphone got in queue 855 - entered barcodes waited till 9
hit enter selected 2 x Cat 7 - cause happy for standing as a saver (MCC - Ill get seats at 12 hopefully)
ended up getting M3 row U too good to be true - All done by 0903 ish
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Had a good experience this time. Logged in at 8:30 with 5 tabs open. Had tickets by 9:03am
4 tickets Level 2. Category 1.
Same!
we’re your memberships all Gold?
No, 2 gold only
so in order did you put the 2 golds first then other 2 next. 1 transaction.
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Tony Jones on 3aw just said both clubs' members have bought all the public tickets so the public sale at 2pm(?) has been cancelled.
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Logged on browser on Iphone got in queue 855 - entered barcodes waited till 9
hit enter selected 2 x Cat 7 - cause happy for standing as a saver (MCC - Ill get seats at 12 hopefully)
ended up getting M3 row U too good to be true - All done by 0903 ish
Queue 855??? a number?
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M36
Glad to just get in
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AFL @AFL twitter:
Tickets for the Richmond v Collingwood Preliminary Final at the MCG on Friday are now exhausted. The general public on-sale scheduled for 2pm today will no longer go ahead.
If further tickets become available as a result of unused Club or AFL allocations they will be released via Ticketek at 2pm AEST, Thursday September 20. Tickets will be strictly limited and subject to availability.
https://twitter.com/AFL
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Logged on browser on Iphone got in queue 855 - entered barcodes waited till 9
hit enter selected 2 x Cat 7 - cause happy for standing as a saver (MCC - Ill get seats at 12 hopefully)
ended up getting M3 row U too good to be true - All done by 0903 ish
Queue 855??? a number?
AM
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Got tickets but geez it's a poo sandwich.
Ticketek treat people with contempt.
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The MCG website says the expected attendance is 97,000.
http://www.mcg.org.au/whats-on/events-calendar/2018/september/afl-preliminary-final-richmond-v-collingwood
Depends on how many unused Club or AFL allocations get sold on Thursday and how many MCC members show up whether it gets boosted up to 100k.
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Richmond vs Collingwood ticketek problem: Preliminary final fans stranded, how to get tickets
September 17, 2018 11:06am
FOX SPORTS
AFL fans have vented their frustration on social media after experiencing some problems securing tickets to the blockbuster preliminary final between Richmond and Collingwood on Monday morning.
The two powerhouse clubs having a combined membership of almost 180,000, and some fans tweeted that they had problems on the Ticketek website.
Ticketek told foxsports.com.au that the website has transacted well throughout the morning. And some fans reported a smooth experience in securing tickets for the blockbuster.
A large number of fans opted to queue outside outlets in order to avoid disappointment.
But for many, lining up simply wasn’t an option — meaning Richmond and Collingwood fans had to face the 9am ticket sale frenzy.
Twenty minutes before tickets were released, Ticketek released their “helpful tips” to avoid disappointment.
They included to “keep trying” until a price category was exhausted, while also ensuring to only use “one browser or device”.
Some customers claimed they still had some issues, with Ticketek suggesting to several frustrated fans to try securing a different number of tickets, or tickets in a different category.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/pray-for-ticketek-website-leaves-tigers-magpies-fans-disappointed-again/news-story/2c378e25bc7af329d9847ab5688e1e3b
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The MCG website says the expected attendance is 97,000.
http://www.mcg.org.au/whats-on/events-calendar/2018/september/afl-preliminary-final-richmond-v-collingwood
Depends on how many unused Club or AFL allocations get sold on Thursday and how many MCC members show up whether it gets boosted up to 100k.
From what Ive heard today
Club members exhausted, mcc exhausted, no general admission available and AFL members go on sale tomorrow.
Should be a packed house from all accounts
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The AFL website is tipping us to win by 5 goals.
Mega-preview: First preliminary final, Richmond v Collingwood
Marc McGowan
afl.com.au
Sep 17, 2018 2:32PM
SUMMARY
Friday night's blockbuster preliminary final between Richmond and Collingwood is 38 years in the making. The two powerhouses haven't met in the post-season since the Tigers hammered the Pies by 81 points in the 1980 Grand Final, and this one is set to nudge a six-figure crowd. For all of Collingwood's defiance of its lengthy injury list, it must defeat the reigning premier to have any hope of winning a first flag in eight years. The midfield battle will be titanic – Martin, Cotchin, Prestia and Lambert v Pendlebury, Treloar, Sidebottom and Adams – but can the Pies withstand Richmond's famed pressure to kick a winning score?
WHERE AND WHEN: MCG, Friday, September 21, 7.50pm AEST
WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR?
Round six: Richmond 16.17 (113) d Collingwood 10.10 (70) at the MCG
Nathan Buckley's Magpies led at stages throughout each of the first three quarters, and as late as the 22-minute mark of the third term, but never by more than four points. The Tigers took an 11-point edge into the fourth quarter and kicked three goals in the next nine minutes to jump out to a 30-point lead that was never seriously challenged.
Round 19: Richmond 16.9 (105) d Collingwood 12.5 (77) at the MCG
There were many similarities in this one to the clubs' earlier season clash, with the Pies near enough for much of the day and still within four points at three-quarter time. But the Tigers put paid to the Magpies' challenge with the opening five goals of the last term. Dustin Martin and Jack Riewoldt each kicked three goals and David Astbury was excellent down back.
LAST FIVE TIMES
R19, 2018, Richmond 16.9 (105) d Collingwood 12.5 (77) at the MCG
R6, 2018, Richmond 16.17 (113) d Collingwood 10.10 (70) at the MCG
R2, 2017, Richmond 14.15 (99) d Collingwood 11.14 (80) at the MCG
R20, 2016, Richmond 14.8 (92) d Collingwood 11.11 (77) at the MCG
R2, 2016, Collingwood 13.9 (87) d Richmond 12.14 (86) at the MCG
WHAT TO WATCH FOR
Richmond
1. Dylan Grimes looms as the man to stop Magpie match-winner Jordan De Goey. Grimes is tall enough to defend key forwards, but also quick enough to man smaller opponents. De Goey is somewhere in between those two things and this could be Grimes' biggest challenge in 2018.
2. The Tigers aren't traditionally a strong contested ball side, but there's no reason they can't be, especially when it is a priority against Collingwood. Greater Western Sydney's best period last Saturday night came when it briefly wrested control from the Pies in clearances and contested possessions.
3. Richmond rarely tags through the midfield, but Damien Hardwick has an ideal option in Dion Prestia if he wants not only to curb one of the Magpies' Fab Four (Scott Pendlebury, Adam Treloar, Steele Sidebottom and Taylor Adams), but also hurt them the other way.
Collingwood
1. Levi Greenwood is the popular choice to tag Dustin Martin and has been playing in defence, so may follow the 2017 Brownlow medallist everywhere he goes. But could the Pies instead opt for Tom Langdon or Tyson Goldsack to go to Martin when he sneaks into attack?
2. Richmond kicks 47 per cent of its goals from general play, as opposed to set shots, and the Pies allow their opposition to score 39 per cent of goals that way (ranked fifth-best in the AFL). Collingwood's pressure and fall-of-the-ball work will need to be sharp.
3. David Astbury was an unlikely thorn in the Pies' side in the clubs' round 19 meeting. He kept Mason Cox to two goals and helped himself to 21 disposals, seven marks and five rebound 50s. Cox will have to be more defensively diligent this time around.
THE SIX POINTS
1. The final quarter was the difference between the sides in both games this season. In round six, Richmond led by 11 points at three-quarter time before kicking eight goals to three. Then in round 19, the Tigers' advantage was just four points at the final change, only for them to boot five goals to one.
2. There is a huge contrast in styles between the teams. Collingwood is the highest-ranked disposal team this season, with an average of 401.2, while Richmond's 367.7 per game ranks 14th.
3. The Tigers are placed second for goals per game this season with 14.1, and the Magpies' 13.3 ranks third. Richmond is second for inside 50s and the Magpies third, while the Tigers are second for marks inside 50, but Collingwood is mid-table at equal eighth.
4. Richmond and Collingwood have met in 16 finals, with the black and yellow army winning nine games to seven, including the last six since 1969.
5. The Tigers are aiming for their fifth consecutive post-season win, something they haven't achieved since 1973-75. If they win, it will be back-to-back Grand Final appearances for the first time since 1973-74. Collingwood last made the Grand Final in 2011.
6. The ruck battle could go a long way to deciding this match. Magpie Brodie Grundy is the top-ranked ruckman at No.5 overall in the Schick AFL Player Ratings, while Tiger Toby Nankervis is only 63rd.
WHAT THE COACHES SAY
Damien Hardwick: "I thought they were the best side we've played this year, with their pressure and their ability to hunt around the contest. We knew it was going to be a fight coming in and that was certainly what we got for close to three quarters. It was very much a grind for those three quarters and then we managed to get the game a little bit more on our own terms." – after the round six victory over Collingwood.
Nathan Buckley: "They've been the best team since the last one to two months before last year's finals and they finished top this year. Everyone's waiting for them to fall over, but they're not going to fall over. They have to be beaten. We believe they can be beaten and our best footy will stack up, but talking about it and doing it are two separate things." – after beating the Giants on Saturday night.
IT'S A BIG WEEK FOR …
Nathan Buckley doesn't task his players with a tag on an opponent too often, but it's not every week you come up against reigning Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin. Levi Greenwood will almost certainly get the job on Martin again, but can you trust him to do it through the middle as well as when Dusty plays out of the goal square?
PREDICTION: Richmond by 32 points
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-17/megapreview-first-preliminary-final-richmond-v-collingwood
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Preliminary Final preview: Richmond vs Collingwood
Mick McGuane
Herald-Sun
17 September 2018
COLLINGWOOD premiership hero MICK McGUANE dissects Friday night’s preliminary final between the Pies and Tigers and pinpoints where the match will be won and lost.
WHAT TO EXPECT
RICHMOND
An urgent and fresh team. The Tigers know they will be hunted and physically challenged from the get-go, but rest assured they will be prepared for an ambush. Damien Hardwickhas his side playing to a system that is difficult to conquer. They have mastered the “turnover game”, thanks to a highly organised system with COMPLETE buy-in from the players. The Tigers are ranked No. 1 for creating turnovers. They are busy and alert around the contest, and set up the ground to challenge opposition ball use. They cover exits and take away opposition leading lanes, due to trust and connectivity. The key add-on is what they do post-turnover. Richmond is ranked No. 1 for percentage of score from turnovers and points from turnovers. Now that’s a team bound for a Grand Final.
COLLINGWOOD
A high volume game … the Pies just know how to win the footy. They love the contest and work the other side of the ball as their pressure indicates. Because of Brodie Grundy’s influence, Collingwood is a very good clearance team, and this could challenge the Tigers. This also offers up a conundrum for Nathan Buckley. Does he add to this strength by rolling up a half-forward as an extra around stoppages and bank on chaining the ball out by hands and running at the Tigers defence before they launch a deep entry? Or do they keep six forwards at home in front of the ball, in case they panic kick out of a stoppage, so they don’t kick to an outnumber. That cannot happen as it would allow the Tigers to get their turnover game rolling.
RICHMOND
THE KEY
Back their system. The Tigers won’t alter their game style. Why should they? You will see a team that will look to kick long, handball often to involve their teammates, but more importantly to gain metres with their handball and get after the loose-ball at ground level. Sounds simple, doesn’t it! It’s predictable and they are predictable to each other. Now that’s a TEAM. They are a high-territory side. Room for improvement comes in their contested possessions. They are ranked 15th this year but when the stakes increase, don’t be surprised if we see a shift in this area. Don’t forget the Tigers were +30 in last year’s Grand Final. THEY CAN DO IT.
THE THEME
Believe in the brand. It stands up. Win the territory battle and get the game played on their terms in their forward half of the ground. This sums up the Tigers in a nutshell. When they get that right, it provides the opportunity to set up their defensive structure. They know if this happens it stifles opposition ball movement. In Round 19, which is relevant as it wasn’t too long ago, Collingwood appeared spooked as they looked to go forward but had nowhere to go. The Pies had 42 opportunities to move the ball from D50 to I50, and they could only do it three times. That’s 7%, well below the AFL average of 20%. Extraordinary! Defence before attack — not a bad philosophy in a big game.
THE CHALLENGE
Keep Collingwood’s playmakers in check. The Magpies are a high volume team and some of their players are more than capable of getting a lot of the footy. This was the case in Round 19 when Collingwood had five players with 22+ disposals. Richmond had zero. Steele Sidebottom had 38, Scott Pendlebury 37, Tom Phillips 33, Taylor Adams 30 and Brodie Grundy 23. The saving grace for the Tigers was that some key Magpies butchered the ball. Sidebottom went at 35% by foot, Pendlebury 40% and Adams 42%. Those players are better than that. It won’t happen again. With the addition of Adam Treloar, who is another accumulator, the challenge for the Tigers is to dry up the Pies’ ball winners. They can’t rely on them to poorly execute. If the Collingwood stars have those numbers again, coupled with better ball use, Richmond’s defensive structure will be seriously challenged.
COLLINGWOOD
THE KEY
Get the game played in their own half of the ground. You CANNOT lose the territory game against the Tigers and expect to win. If you do, your conversion on goal must be through the roof. Collingwood will back themselves in and around the stoppages to win enough clearances. It is what happens post-clearance that holds the key. Effective ball use and decision-making is critical when going forward. Both must hold up to challenge Richmond’s team defence. Collingwood like to flick the ball around by hand as evidenced by handballing more against Richmond in both games this year — more than in any other match in 2018. In Round 19, they had 200 handballs but gained -20 metres. It was Richmond’s system that challenged Collingwood, NOT its PRESSURE. It’s a bit like saying our first kick after chaining out through hands MUST hit a teammate. It eases the pressure and puts it back on the opposition. Getting field position is critical.
THE THEME
Low-ball entries. Everyone applauds Richmond’s back six — and rightfully so. The Tigers help each other out extremely well. Since Round 20, Richmond ranks 18th for ground-ball differential in their defensive 50 (backs versus opposition forwards). The problem is that across the season Collingwood ranks 18th for ground-ball differential in their forward 50 (forwards versus opposition backs). In Round 19, the Pies broke even in this area, which is a positive, and it gives an intention as to where they want the ball to be — on the ground. Do grubby goals ring a bell? Collingwood must keep high-ball entries to a minimum due to the aerial strength of Alex Rance, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes and Nick Vlastuin.
THE CHALLENGE
Composure with the ball. Without it, the Pies don’t stand a chance. Collingwood will get ample opportunity to challenge the Tigers when in offence. The best players see the game unfold before it does. That’s why Pendlebury and Sidebottom are so important in this game. They must not only win their own ball but be given the ball at EVERY opportunity. Lazy kicks out of defensive 50 (for example, a few Jeremy Howe ones against GWS) will be punished against a team like Richmond. The Pies will get at least 75 to 80 opportunities to transition the ball from their back half of the ground to their forward 50. It will come back to their poise, composure, decision-making, and execution of the ball if they are to challenge Richmond’s defensive set up. If that fails, it’s season over.
MAGNET BOARD
IF I WERE RICHMOND … I would entertain using Alex Rance as the deepest defender in every instance. David Astbury will go to Mason Cox, but as we know, the Magpies will rotate Cox, Jordan De Goey, Jaidyn Stephenson, Will Hoskin-Elliott and Brody Mihocek as their deepest forward during stages of the game. I’d still keep Rance deep, regardless. When Cox goes to the square, Astbury can hand over to Rance, and he can go to Mihocek. It’s imperative to back your best defenders in a variety of roles and the Tigers are best suited with Rance deep. That allows Vlastuin, Grimes, Bachar Houli, Jayden Short and Nathan Broad to maintain their defensive structure. Damien Hardwick gave a hint after the win over the Hawks that Brandon Ellis is still a chance to come back into the team, but I would be leaving the side unchanged.
IF I WERE COLLINGWOOD … I would seriously entertain bringing in Darcy Moore to play on Jack Riewoldt, which in turn would force my hand in omitting Chris Mayne. That’s tough, I know, but you have to make hard calls to win finals. James Aish would then take over Mayne’s role between the arcs. That would allow Tyson Goldsack to play on Josh Caddy and free Jeremy Howe up to be the intercept player to win the ball back in the air. I would eyeball Levi Greenwood and challenge him to play on Richmond’s most influential player, Dustin Martin. Dusty MUST be stopped when on ball at centre bounce and his possessions between the arcs MUST be minimised. He is too creative to let roam unattended. The challenge for Greenwood is when Martin plays as the deepest forward. In Round 19, Greenwood tagged Martin for 51 minutes and kept him to 6 disposals. That’s a massive win. The problem was when Martin pushed forward, he kicked 2 goals.
PREDICTION: Richmond by 22
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/mick-mcguane-previews-the-blockbuster-final-between-collingwood-and-richmond/news-story/72c605cacef2b226bee991582f24d7a5
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According to the bookies (Nathan Brown on SEN), the money is coming in for the Tigers win.
Richmond in to $1.37
Coll'wood out to $3.10
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Missed out on tickets after waiting an hour :-\
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Missed out on tickets after waiting an hour :-\
Hopefully you get grandfinal tickets instead.
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I logged in on my computer at 8:50am and was greeted with the "please be patient ... you are in the queue".
At 9:03am, still in the queue so decided to try on my phone as well. And bingo, straight in. Entered barcodes x3 and got tickets in M5.
9:06am and I'm done. Look at computer and still in the queue. I had been told by someone that phone works better than computer, maybe it's true.
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there is no method to this broken system. Its luck of the draw
I was logging on my phone from 830-920 and then at 920 after i was about to give up receptionist called to say she was through on a computer and grabbed 2 for me.
Its a shambles lets be honest
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Hamspud late in for farewell match
Filth by a point
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It's officially a sell-out.
Tickets in the AFL Reserve for the Richmond v Collingwood Preliminary Final at the MCG on Friday are sold out.
No further tickets will be released for sale.
Only members with a Ticketek issued ticket will have entry into the venue.
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1041839057016213504
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-18/gone-in-30-minutes-tigerspies-clash-a-sellout
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https://twitter.com/FootyClassified
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Word going around that we have avoided Razor Ray. He's apparently umpiring the Eagles/Demons Prelim.
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Does he like WCE at all? If so, enjoy that prick, Demon fans....
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Tom Browne on Ch 7 news just confirmed Razor Ray has got the Eagles/Demons prelim and not ours.
Then added Razor could get the GF :gobdrop.
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I logged in on my computer at 8:50am and was greeted with the "please be patient ... you are in the queue".
At 9:03am, still in the queue so decided to try on my phone as well. And bingo, straight in. Entered barcodes x3 and got tickets in M5.
9:06am and I'm done. Look at computer and still in the queue. I had been told by someone that phone works better than computer, maybe it's true.
I did device at 8:50 which I was told was the best way in. Got tix at 9:40. It’s random but phone is better
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Got a spare $90k for a ticket? ;D
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Hoping to secure two tickets for Friday night's preliminary final?
Well, all you need is an extra $90,000.
Ticket prices continue to soar on eBay, sparking questions over the legitimacy of the sales, with some suspecting "troll bidders" were behind heavily inflated prices.
It comes as resales of AFL footy finals tickets are being pulled from eBay and classified site Gumtree as authorities launch almost 100 investigations into ticket scalping.
One theory circulating on Twitter is that the tickets are being put online by fake bidders to "clog up" listings put up by scalpers.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/want-two-tickets-to-the-pies-v-tigers-clash-that-ll-be-90k-20180918-p504jr.html
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Buckley has said Darcy Moore isn't fit to play.
Source: SEN.
So it sounds like the Pies will go in unchanged.
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The Richmond v Collingwood Preliminary Final at the MCG on Friday is sold out.
No further tickets will be released for sale.
https://twitter.com/AFL
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Can the Pies go four quarters against the Tigers?
ESPN
19 Sep 2018
Twice this year, Collingwood have gone toe-to-toe with Richmond for three quarters before fading in the final stanza. Back in Round 6, the Tigers led by 11 points at the last break before an eight-goal-to-three avalanche buried the Pies' challenge. Round 19 was even tighter, with the Tigers up by just four points at the final change before booting five goals to one to run out (semi) convincing winners.
It's a pattern that has unfolded regularly at the MCG this season, with multiple teams (Carlton in Round 1, Melbourne in Round 5, St Kilda in Round 10, Geelong in Round 13, Sydney in Round 15, Adelaide in Round 16, Geelong in Round 20, Essendon in Round 22 and the Bulldogs in Round 23) getting within striking distance of the Tigers at three-quarter time before a final-term Richmond surge.
What confidence this Tigers outfit must have when it comes to finding a way to win when a game is there to be won. Collingwood, though, will enter this monster prelim with some degree of confidence too, with both of their losses to Richmond this year coming after the Pies lost key players during the contest, hindering their rotations.
If the injury gods finally smile at them on Friday night, they might be a decent shot of shocking the reigning premiers.
http://kwese.espn.com/afl/story/_/id/24694829/afl-finals-w2w4-preliminary-collingwood-magpies-pies-four-quarter-question
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Pies embrace the hype, Tigers fenced in
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
Sep 19, 2018 5:15PM
THE WEDNESDAY training sessions of Collingwood and Richmond couldn't have been more contrasting, with one club embracing all the hype associated with a preliminary final and the other going through their paces behind closed gates.
Around 1000 people crowded at the Holden Centre to watch the Magpies run through their main training session, with fans jamming the space around the fence and creating long lines for coffee, food and merchandise.
It was a long session with all eyes on Darcy Moore and Ben Reid as they unsuccessfully pressed for selection, and Jordan De Goey and Brayden Sier as they shook off the lingering effects of minor sore spots.
The wind was cool but the sun shone on Pies' fans who, starved of finals action since 2013, treated the occasion like it was Grand Final week given there are no guarantees of progression beyond Friday night.
Across Olympic Boulevard and the train line, the scene couldn't have been different at the Tigers, with a temporary cyclone fence surrounding the ground to minimise the foot traffic through the players' carpark.
The main session was held without their supporters, as they've done for most of the season, with their brief captain's run on Thursday their designated "open session" for the week.
Dustin Martin was convincing in the 15 minutes the media were allowed to watch with all 22 players from their qualifying final win over Hawthorn on the track; Kane Lambert and Daniel Rioli – who were also treated for minor ailments last week – included.
Richmond supporters will have to wait until Friday night for their big finals party with the club to run a "fan zone" at Punt Road from 5pm with live music, mascots, face painting, food trucks and kids' activities before a march to the MCG behind drummers to precede the big clash.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-19/pies-embrace-the-hype-tigers-fenced-in
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Tigers up for the Magpie challenge
AFL media
19 Sep 2018
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is fully aware of the extent of the task that will confront his team in Friday night’s blockbuster preliminary final against Collingwood at the MCG.
Hardwick, however, believes the Tigers are well equipped to successfully deal with whatever the Magpies throw at them.
“Collingwood have been in terrific form . . . they’re a good side,” Hardwick said.
“We’re under no illusions that the game itself is going to throw a set of challenges to us, as coaches and as players.
“We’ve played them twice (this season), we’ve got a good understanding of how they play, but we’ve got to play our best to beat them.
“They had a couple of injuries in those games. We look at our KPI indicators and they were very strong in both those games . . .
“We’re both very much system-based sides. We’re really confident that our system versus their system stands up. And they’ll be the same with ours.
“These are brutal games, prelims, and we’re looking forward to the challenge.”
Hardwick has dismissed any concerns about the Tigers carrying a hefty weight of expectation into the match, as the 2017 premiers and 2018 minor premiers.
“The expectation can weigh you down if you acknowledge it. We don’t, we just go about and do what we do,” Hardwick said.
“We’re very process-orientated here and we’ve got a good understanding of what makes us play our best football.
“If you start worrying about the outcome, you’re not going to get the result you’re after.
“So we just worry about what we can control, we stay in the moment, and we get the job done.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-09-19/tigers-up-for-the-magpie-challenge
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Let's get ready to rumble: Joffa and Trout prepare to lead Magpie and Tigers to battle
Tom Cowie
The Age
20 Sep 2018
For now, Joffa and Trout sound more like coaches giving a pre-match press conference rather than the impassioned generals of Collingwood and Richmond's rabid cheer squads.
"Calm" and "relaxed" are not the expected responses when the superfans are asked about their nerves before this week's do-or-die preliminary final between the Magpies and Tigers — the clubs' first finals match-up since 1980.
But come 7.50pm on Friday night, when Joffa and Trout are stationed 200 metres apart in the Punt Road and Ponsford Stand ends, that tranquillity will vanish as 100,000 screaming fans erupt to urge on their team to a grand final.
"Isn't it great to see two powerhouse Victorian clubs in a prelim? It can't get any bigger," says Joffa Corfe, the fan best known for donning a gold jacket in the stands when Collingwood is certain for victory.
"The noise will be massive, you've got two lots of supporters that will be very passionate and very proud. This is the last roll of the dice."
All the pressure is on the hot favourites Richmond to make another grand final, Joffa says, which has contributed to his sense of calm in the lead-up.
"We all know all know Richmond is the heavyweight of the comp but funny things have happened," he says.
"How would it be if we knock off Goliath? It will just go ape droppings if that happens."
Trout Beattie, who will be among the throng of yellow and black behind the goals, says he is feeling more relaxed than he was last year when Richmond was on its drought-breaking run for the flag.
But there's still something special about playing Collingwood in such a big game. The streets in the neighbouring suburbs will be buzzing before and after the game, he says.
"There's more at stake here than the win, there's bragging rights all through summer," he says.
"You've got the biggest club and the second biggest club all squeezed into a stadium that's not big enough. You'll feel the atmosphere, it's just incredible in finals."
For the record, Trout means Richmond when he is talking about the AFL's biggest club. A sign of arrogance, perhaps? Or just the confidence that comes from winning a fairytale premiership?
"I've got a lot of respect for Collingwood, you've got a massive club that's been the benchmark," he says.
"But they've been pipped off by the top tier by us now."
As for Joffa's famous gold jacket, Trout says he hopes it's been "dry-cleaned and pressed but stays in the bag so he has to take it home". He's predicting Richmond to win by 17 points.
In response, Joffa says the jacket will be off to the dry cleaners next week after a 27-point Collingwood victory: "I've booked it in."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/let-s-get-ready-to-rumble-joffa-and-trout-prepare-to-lead-magpie-and-tigers-to-battle-20180919-p504px.html
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Tigers wary of Pies’ noise
3BA
20 Sep 2018
HAVING done it all in the past 12 months, Richmond is readying themselves to climb their last AFL mountain in their preliminary final against Collingwood.
An army of opposition support.
Damien Hardwick’s side roared to last year’s flag off the back of ferocious fandom from the Tiger Army.
Richmond defeated Geelong, GWS Giants and Adelaide at the MCG, the venue where they’ve now won 22 times in a row.
Each time, they’ve been loudest.
On Friday night at the MCG, it might not be the case.
The Tigers’ only equal for support awaits in Collingwood, giving Richmond a new adversary – one that veteran Shane Edwards is eagerly anticipating.
“It’s going to be a tough challenge. We haven’t faced a 50-50 crowd in finals,” he said.
“(Crowd support) is huge. They keep the momentum going and they give you that little bit of adrenaline you might not have had.
“It’s an even home ground kind of game.
“We’ve just got to make sure we focus on our process, we don’t think about anything else … we have to stick to our structure and that’s it.”
Richmond and Collingwood have been competing with various levels of viciousness for more than 100 years and meet in September for the first time since the 1980 grand final.
There’s no shortage of historic motivators that the team could drawn upon but Edwards said the Tigers hadn’t chosen to go down that route in preparing for the preliminary final.
He said Hardwick had kept the focus firmly on systems and game plans.
“It’s who sticks to their structure the longest and who keeps the intensity up for the longest,” Edwards said.
“They can be stronger in some areas but whoever is stronger for the longest amount of time will win.
The All Australian said the great edge his side boasts is the trophy at Punt Road.
“It’d be hard not to look back on last year,” he said.
“It’s an advantage we have over Collingwood, that we were there last year.
“Last year we didn’t really know what to expect.
“This year we can reflect back on some of the evidence that we had last year.
“The feelings, the butterflies are there.
“We know what the moment is going to be like.”
https://www.3ba.com.au/news/afl-news/81412-tigers-wary-of-pies-noise
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Where can Collingwood Magpies gain an advantage over Richmond Tigers?
By SEN
20 Sep 2018
Daisy Pearce has wondered where Collingwood will gain an advantage over Richmond in tomorrow night’s Preliminary Final.
“Even when you look at what has been a real weapon for Collingwood, their midfield, the dominance they’ve been able to have with Brodie Grundy as almost an extra midfielder at times,” she told SEN’s Whateley.
“Even if they get on top in that area, Richmond are so often happy to concede clearances then they win the ball back off you and punish you off turnover.
“It’s a matter of can they control it and be really effective going forward so they don’t turn the ball over.
“Their pressure game has been the other good thing about Collingwood’s season, speed and harassment, you look at that, and you think how long can they keep it up against the team that has done that the best over the last couple of years.
“Where does the advantage come from for the Pies is my question?”
AFL legend Malcolm Blight says Collingwood needs to perform at a level which is “four goals better” than Richmond to win tomorrow night’s Preliminary Final.
“They are playing an exciting brand of footy,” Blight said of the Magpies on SEN’s Whateley.
“They’re going to have to play at their super best.
“Collingwood, this sounds silly, but they’re going to have to play four goals better (than Richmond).”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/09/20/where-can-collingwood-gain-an-advantage-over-richmond/
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Shane Edwards denied Richmond headed into the game feeling as though they’re unbeatable and he was unsure if too much could be taken from the two meetings between the clubs this year, which the Tigers won.
“We go in with the feeling of if we do every single thing right, then they still might be able to beat us because you can’t stop some things,” Edwards said.
“But at the same time we just need to play at a standard that can put us in good stead come later in the game.
“They’re a familiar team given we’ve played them twice, they’ve been really competitive games, but they’ve improved a lot since then and we’ve improved in some areas as well so it’s going to be a new challenge coming up against them this time.”
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/we-have-the-advantage-over-collingwood-edwards-20180920-p504zr.html
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We need to start well and not turn up half asleep. At least match them on the scoreboard in the first quarter as the Pies like to burst from the blocks playing on at all costs as they did last week against the Giants. If we pressure them from the start then we can force and pick off turnovers.
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Heath Shaw predicts Tigers to eat cold Pies
David Polkinghorne
The Age
21 Sep 2018
Heath Shaw was on the wrong side of a Dustin Martin masterclass, which is why he predicts the Pies will turn cold on Friday night.
The former Collingwood defender saw first hand exactly what Martin was capable of in last year's AFL preliminary when the Richmond superstar kicked three goals in a 36-point victory over the GWS Giants.
He's expecting the Tigers will again progress to the grand final, this time beating the Magpies at the MCG on Friday.
When asked if his old club could win their first premiership since he played in their 2010 triumph, a cheeky Shaw laughed: "No, I hope not."
"Richmond have been flying, they've been the best team all year, and Collingwood the surprise packet of the year," Shaw said.
"You never know on the day, but I think Richmond have that edge. They've been so consistent throughout the year and Collingwood have had back-to-back six-day breaks and travelling.
"No doubt they'll have some guys who are a bit sore and eventually it gets a hold of you."
With Martin set to play after getting over a cork he suffered in Richmond's victory over Hawthorn two weeks ago, Shaw thought that was bad news for the Magpies.
The reigning Brownlow Medallist kicked three straight goals on either side of three-quarter-time, including one on Shaw, to take the game away from the Giants.
It's a memory that's still with Shaw a year later.
"I've been front and centre of him putting on a show against us in the prelim, so he's a valuable player, probably the best player in the league," he said.
"So dangerous in the midfield or playing forward. Whoever matches up on him he needs help. It can't just be one person that's going to do the job on him.
"It'll take a team effort if the Pies are going to get over the line and if you nullify him a little bit then it goes a long way towards actually winning."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/shaw-predicts-tigers-to-eat-cold-pies-20180920-p504ze.html
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Player Ratings: Richmond v Collingwood
Dinny Navaratnam
afl.com.au
Sep 21, 2018
THE BLOCKBUSTER preliminary final clash between Richmond and Collingwood will feature more of the top-100 players in the competition than any other game in this finals series so far.
Looking at the Schick AFL Player Ratings, which are compiled by Champion Data and consider an individual's past 40 matches over a rolling two-year period to assess performance, 16 of those who run on to the MCG on Friday night will be ranked in the top 90.
To put that into context, next best on the list is the qualifying final that saw the Tigers beat Hawthorn, with 15 in the top 100.
Richmond will be led by the AFL's No.1 player in Dustin Martin, while the Magpies will hope their ruckman Brodie Grundy, who is ranked fifth, can dominate Toby Nankervis (No.63).
GAME RANKING (OVERALL RANKING) TEAM PLAYER
1 (1) RICH Dustin Martin
2 (5) COLL Brodie Grundy
3 (13) COLL Scott Pendlebury
4 (18) RICH Shane Edwards
5 (19) COLL Adam Treloar
6 (27) COLL Steele Sidebottom
7 (40) RICH Jack Riewoldt
8 (41) RICH Trent Cotchin
9 (44) COLL Taylor Adams
10 (45) RICH Kane Lambert
11 (49) COLL Jack Crisp
12 (55) COLL Jeremy Howe
13 (56) RICH Alex Rance
14 (63) RICH Toby Nankervis
15 (80) COLL Tom Phillips
16 (87) RICH Josh Caddy
17 (104) RICH Dion Prestia
18 (113) COLL Jordan De Goey
19 (134) COLL Josh Thomas
20 (139) COLL Will Hoskin-Elliott
21 (160) RICH Nick Vlastuin
22 (180) RICH Jayden Short
23 (197) RICH Dan Butler
24 (202) COLL Brayden Maynard
25 (212) COLL Tom Langdon
26 (223) RICH Brandon Ellis
27 (226) RICH Dylan Grimes
28 (232) RICH Daniel Rioli
29 (245) RICH Bachar Houli
30 (253) RICH Shaun Grigg
31 (282) RICH Kamdyn McIntosh
32 (288) COLL Mason Cox
33 (292) RICH David Astbury
34 (312) COLL Travis Varcoe
35 (344) RICH Jason Castagna
36 (351) COLL Tyson Goldsack
37 (365) RICH Jack Graham
38 (367) COLL Jaidyn Stephenson
39 (388) COLL Levi Greenwood
40 (389) RICH Jack Higgins
41 (390) RICH Nathan Broad
42 (406) RICH Reece Conca
43 (417) COLL Chris Mayne
44 (446) COLL James Aish
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-21/player-ratings-richmond-v-collingwood
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We stick to our systems and game plan what we do best we win this.Hawks game pressure from forward 50 into midfield harassing the ball carriers and us running hard both ways.Take our chances when we dominate in our 50 and look up for the right options not play into Howe(make him accountable) hands if Jack is not on.
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All based on stats.
Howe ahead of Rance :lol
Crisp ahead of Vlaustin :lol
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-21/why-the-magpies-dont-need-to-fear-the-tigers
Got love how these articles never mention how we were missing players too in both H/A matches or that in round 19 the Pies kicked 11.1 in the first 3 qtrs to keep themselves in the game on the scoreboard until we ran away with it in the last.
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The key match-ups for Tigers v Magpies
Ben Guthrie
afl.com.au
Sep 21, 2018 2:30PM
RICHMOND heads into Friday night's preliminary final against Collingwood with plenty going its way.
There's the Tigers' dominant MCG record, the week's rest after a strong qualifying final win over Hawthorn and the fact they have been the standout team across 2018 and as a result are the red-hot favourites to win back-to-back premierships.
Standing in Richmond's way are the Magpies, who had to travel to Perth before digging in for a gritty win over Greater Western Sydney in last week's semi-final.
A crowd of close to 100,000 people is expected to turn up for a gigantic battle between two of the AFL's most passionate supporter bases.
KEY MATCH-UPS
Dylan Grimes v Jordan De Goey
Desperately unlucky not to be an All Australian this season, Grimes is Richmond's most trusted defender to match up on the opposition's most dynamic forward. Fresh off a three-goal haul against the Giants, Jordan De Goey is that player for the Magpies. Grimes has underrated closing speed and the discipline to fulfil the defensive role. De Goey is often stationed as Collingwood's deepest forward where his teammates push up the ground and try to isolate him one-out. If Grimes can keep De Goey – who has kicked 41 goals for the season – in check it will go a long way to a Richmond victory.
Toby Nankervis v Brodie Grundy
The challenge is set for Nankervis against one of the best ruckmen in the competition. Grundy's strength as a big man is his ability to cover the ground and act as an extra midfielder when the ball hits the deck. The Magpies ruckman has averaged 18 disposals and 43 hit-outs per game across the finals series. Nankervis must nullify Grundy's influence, particularly when he pushes forward. But Nankervis shouldn't just put all his energy into stopping Grundy, he plays his best football when he drifts forward and gets on the end of the play. He can set the tone with his aggression around the ball.
Jack Riewoldt v Tyson Goldsack
Goldsack's comeback from a torn ACL in the pre-season has been one of the most inspiring stories of this year. After match-ups on Josh Kennedy and Jeremy Cameron, Goldsack is set for another tough assignment, this time on Jack Riewoldt. Both players are of similar height and weight, and for once this finals series Goldsack won't be playing as the outsized defender. Still Riewoldt is just as dangerous on the ground as he is in the air and he has shown consistently this year that he has a way of bringing his teammates in to the game.
How the Tigers can win…
Richmond has been the best side in the competition all season for a reason. Their constant and unrelenting pressure, where they force the opposition into making mistakes, and then capitalising on those turnovers, is central to their success. No other team in the AFL does this part of the game as well as Richmond, with their small forwards Jack Higgins, Daniel Rioli and Jason Castagna leading the way in this area. They have a settled back six with Alex Rance controlling and commanding the defence and the most imposing and dynamic player in the AFL – Dustin Martin. Martin's fitness will be a talking point, but it may see him spend more time forward than in the midfield which could work in the Tigers' favour. A slightly hobbled Martin is still a dangerous proposition for any opposition.
How the Magpies can win…
Collingwood proved when the teams met in round 19 that it has the personnel and game style to unnerve and cause the demise of the Tigers. The Magpies' midfield is their greatest strength, with Brodie Grundy leading a midfield brigade that bats as deep as any team left in the finals series alongside Steele Sidebottom, Scott Pendlebury, Adam Treloar and Taylor Adams. Similar to Richmond, Collingwood has multiple avenues to goal with four players kicking more than 30 goals for the season – Jordan De Goey (41 goals), Will Hoskin-Elliott (41), Josh Thomas (38) and Jaidyn Stephenson (35). If the Pies keep grinding away and ensure the Tigers don't hold a significant advantage early in the game, they have the midfield depth and firepower to win when it counts.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-21/the-key-matchups-for-tigers-v-magpies
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Is this Hardwick’s message to Tigers tonight?
By SEN
21 Sep 2018
Former Richmond coach Terry Wallace thinks Damien Hardwick will be stressing a fast start for his Tigers in tonight’s Preliminary Final.
While Richmond enters the game as favourites, Wallace has warned weird things can happen if Collingwood is allowed to snatch an early lead.
“I think the main thing for them, it’s business as usual, but they got to get into their game as quickly as what they possibly can and get their mechanisms working as tightly as what they possibly can,” Wallace told The Match Committee.
“I thought the big question surrounding them was just basically not giving Collingwood a start and then trying to round them in.
“It’s a dangerous thing when you do that in a Preliminary Final.
“What starts happening is it becomes a mental game, if you give someone a start, and you start to tighten up in your ability.
“It’s just making sure all their mechanisms that they have in place are there right from the start.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/09/20/is-this-hardwick's-message-to-tigers-tonight/
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MCC members queuing to get in. #gotiges
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https://twitter.com/ZA1967/status/1043035648314097664
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Broady out warming up.
Now on Astbury watch....
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AFL @AFL 37 minutes ago
It’s a beautiful Melbourne night for a preliminary final 🙌
#AFLTigersPies #AFLFinals
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https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1043041059738021889
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Broady out warming up.
Now on Astbury watch....
Both playing, TK :thumbsup.
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Keep us updated guys during match always follow games on here one eyed and mighty tigers do a great job.Thanks. :gotigers
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Keep us updated guys during match always follow games on here one eyed and mighty tigers do a great job.Thanks. :gotigers
:thumbsup
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Great play by Rioli and Cotch.
Need to kick those Jack.
1 - 0
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Poor kicks inside 50 hurting us.
Sheds missed an open Caddy :scream.
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Pressure good.
Rioli banana from 40 misses.
2 - 0
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Nank marks the clearing Pie kick on the wing. Inside to Cotch. Goes long. Ball-up. Graham snap to the goalsquare is rushed.
3 - 0
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They go coast to coast and goal :banghead.
3 - 6
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Can we bend down and pick up the ball. Too many fresh airy soccer kicks.
3 - 7
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Need to settle. Making silly mistakes.
Houli handpass to Short who turned his back. Turnover gifts them a goal.
3 - 13
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Good tackle by Georgie on Langdon. Turnover and jack marks 35 out. Goal :gotigers
We needed that one. Hopefully that settles the nerves.
Rich 1.3-9
Coll 2.1-13
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Grundy thumps it straight to the boundary but it's not called deliberate ::).
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What’s with everyone falling over.?
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Lambert slips on the new turf on the wing. Turnover. Thankfully they miss.
9 - 14
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What’s with everyone falling over.?
Bits of new turf apparently.
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We're bombing it forward too much and they are hurting us on the rebound from HB.
9 - 20
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How many mistackles?
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Need to look up before we go in 50 playing into there hands look at the options not just bomb it.Shorty needs to cut out the nerves to.
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He dropped the damn ball :banghead
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Geez we're playing poorly. Losing so many contests in the air. Mihocek outmarking against 2 Tigers (Astbury & Short).
9 - 26
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Got a bad feeling about this
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Making every mistake in the book.
How many times have we overran the ball.
Very reactive.
9 - 32
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Uh oh! They look cooked.
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Those imbeciles who were slipping all over the joint arse over tit need their arses kicked
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We're rattled. Two schoolboy kicks that go out of bounds :banghead.
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Reckon it will be a blow out
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Old Richmond back in force geez, just disinterested
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Dimma will blast the crap out of them after that. Soft!
Quarter time
Richmond 1.3-9
Coll'wood 5.2-32
Goal: Riewoldt.
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Uh oh! They look cooked.
us or them.?
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Just giving them a sniff before we suffocate the life out of them :)
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Uh oh! They look cooked.
us or them.?
Us we look crap.
They look good and every bounce is going their way.
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No pressure or tackling get back to basics mate to many passengers.
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Must turn it around from here. Whatever it is....
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We are losing on every line. Every one on one.
They’re outmuscling.
They’re outmarking.
They’re out running.
Out kicking.
Out possessing.
We are done.
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Where do we start with what needs fixing?
Getting smashed in the guts. Grundy & Cox controlling the taps. Our mids reactive, second to the ball and overrunning it when we it comes to us.
Breaking down at HF. Too many bombs and we're not bringing it down to ground level to force pressure and get repeat entries. The Pies are burning us off HB.
Defence under pressure with the easy the ball is coming into the Pies forward line. We're not slowing them down.
Basics, basics, basics. Need to get back to them. The Pies are working harder together and cleaner while we're disorganised and butchering it.
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They are beating us at our own game.
It’s a smashing at the moment.
I’m here and it’s worse than you think.
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We’re done team. Sorry!
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Loose again across HB. Sidebottom and Pendlebury doing as they please.
We're making Cox look like Carey. 4 marks already.
9 - 38
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Can we actually play in front? Always second to the ball.
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:-\
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Someone chop Cox arms off
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No appetite for the contest one of the leaders needs to stand up and make statement.
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That summed us up tonight so far. Jack and Grimes both flying for the same mark and spoiling each other.
Another goal to them.
9 - 46
Pathetic. They've turned up to play and we haven't.
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Tonight will be a belting, how disappointing. Though I rbh I dont actually feel surprised
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Great run down tackle by Georgie. Will that wake us up?
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Pies to good were second to everything no run,no pressure or tackling out marking us out smarting us playing as a team.No exuses.
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Who the hell is on Cox :banghead
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Terrible defending once again. No one standing in front of Cox's space.
9 - 51
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No cohesion whatsoever at all.To many passengers today.
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R u kidding? He fell over
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We actually go forward and Jack marks 55 out. Just falls short. Ball-up. Repeat stoppages. Then we give a free kick away and they clear :banghead
Sums us up.
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They finally make a mistake. Turnover. Us on the rebound. Floss with the set shot from 45. Misses.
10 - 51
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Rushed point.
11 - 51
We get it back but the kick inside 50 is lazy and goes straight to a Pie :scream.
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That was 15?
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No cohesion or teamwork can't even execute basics pressure and tackling.All ball watching.
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Well, looks like the mudlarks are in the granny at our expense and it is gonna hurt
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Fumble fumble fumble.
11 - 58
We put up a fight for the last 5 mins but didn't goal. Then we kick it OOTF on the wing and they go forward once and goal :banghead.
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All over :'(
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Yep, it's all over. This is how 1972 GF must have felt like :P.
11 - 64
Well, looks like the mudlarks are in the granny at our expense and it is gonna hurt
And they'll win it if they play like this :chuck.
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Well, looks like the mudlarks are in the granny at our expense and it is gonna hurt
So this is the blowout
Tomorrow will be the close one in 25c heat then the winner travels back to melb.
I'll call it early now, tonight's winner takes the flag and we missed a goldennopportunity
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This is disgusting
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Point to us. Off hands.
Then Lambert's snap misses too.
And then he hits the post.
14 - 64
We're missing why they can't miss.
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Andy Maher on SEN today mentioned a rumour that the flu had gone through some of the Richmond group. But only Astbury was mentioned publicly.
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What is alarming not one of our leaders is standing up either.
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Finally.
McIntosh to the top of the square. And Higgins marks. Goal!
Rich 2.8-20
Coll 10.4-64
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Fantastic Jack Higgins.
GET UP AND ABOUT BOYS FFS
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Lambert loves a short step
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Pies starting to tire at the end there and we started to wake up, take a monumental effort for us to claw that back
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Game was over in 1st quarter. We havent showed up. Really disappointed but that is sport i suppose.
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Half-time
Richmond 1.3 2.8-20
Coll'wood 5.2 10.4-64
Goals: Riewoldt, Higgins.
Only thing to hang out hat on is we couldn't play much worse and 44 pts was the margin at half-time of the 1970 GF from which Collingwood choked from :-\.
I can't see it happening and it's more likely game over :'( but it's going to take an effort of 1973 proportions to comeback from here.
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Send Georgie into the middle & tell him to tackle everything! Roll the dice time.
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How can the whole team be so bloody flat? Conca needs to go, Grigg is finished too. Please. I think Conca is our finals jinx
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Agree roll the dice now make a few moves
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What is alarming not one of our leaders is standing up either.
Cotch tried at various stages of the second qtr but no one went with him.
Dusty has been unsighted. Surprised he's had as many as 10 touches.
Jack beaten.
Rance beaten.
Edwards unsighted too.
Hard to find a Tiger who is winning his position. Smashed all over the park.
It's incredible we've only had 4 less scoring shots. Feels like 20 less. It doesn't matter though when we miss our shots :scream.
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They need to apply some pressure for a start, or the margin will double
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First 10 mins is the key. If you were Collingwood you'd be trying to end it for good straight after half-time with a couple of quick goals. However, if we can get the first two then let's see what happens and if we can get some momentum.
The head though says the game is gone. The heart is left hoping for a miracle. Only one team has come back from 44 pts down at half-time in a final and that was 44 years ago.
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How can the whole team be so bloody flat?
Didn't mentally turn up. 5% off (at least).
Not hungry enough.
Even the Flu?
:(
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What is alarming not one of our leaders is standing up either.
Cotch tried at various stages of the second qtr but no one went with him.
Dusty has been unsighted. Surprised he's had as many as 10 touches.
Jack beaten.
Rance beaten.
Edwards unsighted too.
Hard to find a Tiger who is winning his position. Smashed all over the park.
It's incredible we've only had 4 less scoring shots. Feels like 20 less. It doesn't matter though when we miss our shots :scream.
Yeah spot on mate.To many passengers today.Like we always say lets play simple footy this half for a change and hit the score board.
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Better start
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Nank to Georgie out of the centre. Hits up Jack 40 out.
Needs to kick this.
Goal! :gotigers
Rich 3.8-26
Coll 10.4-64
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Playing volleyball in the middle doesn't work, boys. Just gifting them easy clearances.
They miss.
26 - 65
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Haven't seen Rance play this poorly since he first started as a key defender and had 6 kicked on him every week
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And that's why we're getting smashed. No answer for Cox. He's marking everything. And we're allowing the ball going over the back in marking contests which gifts them goals :banghead.
Grimes moved on to DeGoey.
26 - 72
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they just get free kicks every time you touch em, we never get paid them
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Make the move tho what there waiting for simple as that get Grimes on him.
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Seriously Astbury shoud have just stayed home
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Nice moves in traffic by Sheds and Jack marks 35 out.
Again needs to kick this. And he does. Goal! :gotigers
Rich 4.8-32
Coll 11.6.72
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Our midfield has been pathetic cant even chase or tackle or win a ball.
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Steady now don't give them a cheap one.
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U DISGRACE UMPIRES prick DOG MUT
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SHUT THE stuff UP BRUCE WE GET IT, YOU'RE IN LOVE AND WANT THE D
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What! I thought Dusty marked it
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Houli from 50 but sprays it. Off hands point.
33 - 72
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Astbury...why is he out there?
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Astbury clearly isn't right.
Gifts them a goal.
33 - 78
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Astbury obviously not right. Why play him. Disgrace
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Poor by our coaching should have not played simple as that.
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People knew he was in a torrid state and yet they still play him.. should have made the move they were thinking about
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Worse game this year
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Tonight shows why we want Lynch.
Too Jack conscious as our other forward options at ground level are shut down.
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The fact we didn't tag side bottom is poor coaching
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how about marking it reece?
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they're gonna over turn that in 10 seconds
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Houli goal :gotigers
Rich 5.9-39
Coll 12.6-78
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Good someone’s injured
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Dusty to jack 40 out. Goal :gotigers
4 to Jack.
Rich 6.9-45
Coll 12.7-78
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JACKY BOY
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Just need 6 more goals
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come on...,
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Cotch out of the middle. Goes long, off hands but Higgins can't get his boot to it.
Review.Point.
46 - 79
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Lets see some passion and fight come on :gotigers.
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Poor kick Cotch when he was clear and had Jack & Caddy against one.
3/4 time
Richmond 1.3 2.8 6.10-46
Coll'wood 5.2 10.4 12.7-79
Goals: Riewoldt 4, Houli, Higgins.
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Astbury forward now.
:shh
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I reckon that bye did us no good
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We put half a effort there that qtr and still coughed up cheap goals,but looked better.
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We have missed Bellis!
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Lets see some passion and fight come on :gotigers.
At least there was some fight that quarter.
Question will be where was this fight and team effort in the first half. Everyone knew the Pies try to get off to a flyer at the start of games.
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We have missed Bellis!
Yep. Was oh so close to playing. Needed another runner
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gee im feelin salty atm, just peeed we let it blow out.
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Jack you are a legend of this club.
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Great contested mark Jack :clapping.
30 out. Obviously needs to kick it. Goal! :gotigers
Jack has 5.
Rich 7.10-52
Coll 12.7-79
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Bring it home boys!
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Another goal or 2, some pressure and big hits, and the pies will poo em
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ASBUTRY stuff OFF
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How many times has Astbury slipped over tonight.
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Lambert then drops a sitter 45 out.
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kANE lambert...u are a pussy mate
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Get lambert and astbury off
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Pay that
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Basic stuff can't do honestly got to take our chances.Pressure and tackling. :gotigers
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Step up Dustin. You've been poohouse
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Free to Higgins 20 out. Goal! :gotigers
Rich 8.10-58
Coll 12.7-79
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Another goal or 2, some pressure and big hits, and the pies will poo em
:shh
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Grigg....moron
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Come on guys we finish 4 quarters well.
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Cox bailing them out.
I hate it when he marks it. not just because it's bad for us, but because Bruce starts to masturbate
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stuffit
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That;s it.
58 - 85
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Conca ! USELESS
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and its over...
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i haven't felt this stuffing flat since that 30 year period where we sucked horse balls
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58 - 91
Terrible defending at the defensive stoppage once again.
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Embarrassing loss, never really in it
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Honestly have momentum and then give it away. Dimma hasn't coached well today matchups,a few players not fit to slow to make moves.
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prestia cant even get off the mark properly
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amazing how some stuffing collingwood player can get rid of a ball with both his hands held apart and not be pinged...astounding
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bumped off of the kick and its called deliberate
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Disappointing because its a premiership thrown away gor nothing. Last year Adelaide were the best side in it for most of the year and we came over the top. This year we were the best side but we threw a flag away. Its a real shame.
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oh hi dustin youre still playing
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Conca...useless!
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Rance hss been crap all year one one his a liability for me.Should never started on De Goey.
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houli and broad there....
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Dusty's "corkie" hampered him badly tonight. Has hardly kicked all night.
Tonight is a lesson you risk playing injured & sick players. Dusty & Astbury cleary not right.
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Lambert given up.
Should retire
:D
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Our blokes put the cue in the rack pretty quick didn't they
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Disappointing because its a premiership thrown away gor nothing. Last year Adelaide were the best side in it for most of the year and we came over the top. This year we were the best side but we threw a flag away. Its a real shame.
Yep, a season wasted. One bad game has cost us the flag.
The weird thing is if we lost it last year as underdogs then won it this year as favourite it wouldn't feel so bad.
Throwing it away to Collingwood makes it all the more worst.
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Our blokes put the cue in the rack pretty quick didn't they
We were taking risks 5 goals down setting up forward of the ball at stoppages. If we didn't 50/50 it or win the clearance then we get burned. That's what has happened since they got their first goal of the last. No point losing by 3-4 goals in a knockout final. Go for the win means risking being pumped in the last 10 mins.
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Disappointing because its a premiership thrown away gor nothing. Last year Adelaide were the best side in it for most of the year and we came over the top. This year we were the best side but we threw a flag away. Its a real shame.
Yep, a season wasted. One bad game has cost us the flag.
The weird thing is if we lost it last year as underdogs then won it this year as favourite it wouldn't feel so bad.
Throwing it away to Collingwood makes it all the more worst.
Wouldn't say flag eagles or dees would smash as next week on that form.
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In the light of day, the question will be asked who was on Sidebottom? Every time he got the ball he wasn't in cooee of a Tiger opponent. He's their best user of the pill. He's had almost 40 touches under no pressure.
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One side was a lot hungrier
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In the light of day, the question will be asked who was on Sidebottom? Every time he got the ball he wasn't in cooee of a Tiger opponent. He's their best user of the pill. He's had almost 40 touches under no pressure.
The funny thing about that was today I was told that we wouldn't bother tagging him and he would run rampant and that dusty would do nothing. And sure enough we did nothing about sidebottom.
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Disappointing because its a premiership thrown away gor nothing. Last year Adelaide were the best side in it for most of the year and we came over the top. This year we were the best side but we threw a flag away. Its a real shame.
Yep, a season wasted. One bad game has cost us the flag.
The weird thing is if we lost it last year as underdogs then won it this year as favourite it wouldn't feel so bad.
Throwing it away to Collingwood makes it all the more worst.
Wouldn't say flag eagles or dees would smash as next week on that form.
Prelim are in some ways harder to win than Grand Finals when you're overwhelming favourites. Just ask Essendon 1999. The mental pressure of the fear of losing and throwing away a successful H/A season (plus key players not being right) got to us once we started to fall behind on the scoreboard. We played tense and reactive whereas the Pies played with freedom and growing confidence.
If we had won tonight we would've won next week IMHO. The pressure valve would've been released. Tonight was our worst performance on the 'G in years. Actually that streak probably played its part too. Just another mental burden.
Sadly, we've got to now sit back and watch the Pies win their 16th flag next week :chuck. The Eagles have to come here while it's going to be hard for even MCG tenants Melbourne to back up after a trip to Perth.
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As I said earlier tonight's winner will win the flag. Wasted opportunity
Good on the boys for playing a great season unfortunately it wssnr meant to be.
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Lost the game in the Ruck I thought. Nank was smashed.
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Our response is really important now. In the past there has been retribution. Thankfully Neil Balme is running the show and that is unlikely. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. We have Lynch coming. We need to get a ruckman to help Nankervis and maybe another inside mid.
In terms of getting rid of players, I have to say, I don't want to see wholesale change, but we also have to be honest with ourselves,
I don't think Conca has ever done anything in a final, Jayden Short does nice things but is he a big game player as well? Today Butler should have played and I called for it early in the week, Collingwood has good pace around the ground, and we shouldn't take players into finals who have the flu like Astbury. For mine a big part of the loss was achieved at selection but also, our first half as a defending champion was disgraceful. How we didn't turn up to play was beyond me.
So today is disappointing. I should be asleep because I have dialysis at 6.30 am tomorrow but Im shattered so I know I cant sleep
anyway. Spent the last hour cleaning the house just to do something.
But lets not forget, we will finish 3rd, it wasn't so long ago that if people had told us we'd finish third we probably be really happy.
Now we finish 3rd and we are disappointed and shattered. Weve come a long way as a club. Lets not go back to the bad old
days with bad decisions being made based on one loss.
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Dimma didn't have his best day today
Selection table don't take unfit players in finals no matter how important.
Matchups Grimes was the man for De Goery not Rance to slow to make change.What happen with 3 rd man up chopping out Cox.
No one tagging Sidebottom come on honestly everything from pies comes from him.
To slow in first half to react and slow game down.
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Didn’t come to play today. As simple as that. Apart from jack and cotch I don’t think any player can say they even had an ok game. Defense did not handle Cox well at all, where was the player guarding the space in front of him that could come in from the side to spoil? Absolutely horrible.
Collingwood came to play, they were getting all the bounces and deservedly so because they were harder at it and always had more numbers at the fall of the ball.
No changes at the selection table would have stopped what happened tonight - was an absolute destruction job in the first half.
All we can do now is pray that the eagles or at the very least Melbourne can knock them off next week.
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Well said Ramps.
Dimma didn't have his best day today
Selection table don't take unfit players in finals no matter how important.
Matchups Grimes was the man for De Goery not Rance to slow to make change.What happen with 3 rd man up chopping out Cox.
No one tagging Sidebottom come on honestly everything from pies comes from him.
To slow in first half to react and slow game down.
Spot on, georgies. Can't argue with any of that.
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Watching them looked like us this time last year. We weren't that hungry.
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They played our game plan better than us. Have been trying to copy us all year and now do it better than us. Their front 6 is better than ours.
Did we take unfit players into the game ????
Sure looked lkke it. With the players we have pushing up from the 2's this should never happen.
Did we go into the game over confident? ????
Sure looked lkke it.
Shattered but sort of thought it was coming.
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You know its 11.10 and its been a disappointing night. When a player is no longer around, maybe in my imagination or maybe others
as well, they become better than what they really were, I thought watching Cox tonight, that if we had a big 200cm guy running with him and standing 10 metres in front of him that maybe we could have curtailed him. Cue Ben Griffiths, maybe Ben wouldn't have done
anything, who knows its just a hypothetical I suppose. Losing finals isn't easy to take, but its a what if … we need to find a big mobile
200+cm guy to help Nank.
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I still maintain that we should have persistent with Moore up forward and showed tonight Cox half a player made a difference to.
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It was so predictable to me after the first 15 min and how poor the night was going to turn out.
Where was the pressure , in the first half no forward pressure.
Unless they had flu, it was embarrassing in the first half.
I can Take a Breath now but I was ashamed of some of our efforts.
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They kicked 9.6 from stoppages tonight. The Grigg/Nank combination officially died tonight. Lynch will help I guess, but is he a ruckman? Not sure. Get CCJ into the gym right now, or try to find a more mobile tall in the draft/trade. And let's consider sending a tagger to someone occasionally eh?
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I don't think we should be ashamed to be honest. We came into this season as defending champions. We have put up a really
professional premiership defence. Tonight wasn't our night, but at least we aren't like the bulldogs who went back into obscurity
after winning a flag. We gave it a real shot, we played poorly tonight but that happens. I hope our club looks positively on the
year but also uses the defeat as real motivation to take back what should have been ours. Its up to the players now. We can
win the flag next year if we behave properly as a club going forward.
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How as a coaching group do you allow a guy to pick up 41 touches in a prelim final??
Stubbornness IMO.
Sidebottom was allowed to run around without an opponent all night. You probably can’t see it on tv but he sat free off the back of the stoppage and just did what he liked.
Can anyone think why this would be allowed to happen?
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How as a coaching group do you allow a guy to pick up 41 touches in a prelim final??
Stubbornness IMO.
Sidebottom was allowed to run around without an opponent all night. You probably can’t see it on tv but he sat free off the back of the stoppage and just did what he liked.
Can anyone think why this would be allowed to happen?
Needed a player like B Ellis to provide a run with role :shh
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How as a coaching group do you allow a guy to pick up 41 touches in a prelim final??
Stubbornness IMO.
Sidebottom was allowed to run around without an opponent all night. You probably can’t see it on tv but he sat free off the back of the stoppage and just did what he liked.
Can anyone think why this would be allowed to happen?
Needed a player like B Ellis to provide a run with role :shh
Hope we FHO too.
Softest player at the club and that’s saying something when Houli’s on the list.
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#carracella #successionplan :shh
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When you play Russian Roulette with clearances eventually you're going cop the loaded chamber..... :shh
...and continuing to select Conca only added a second bullet.... :shh :shh
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How as a coaching group do you allow a guy to pick up 41 touches in a prelim final??
Stubbornness IMO.
Sidebottom was allowed to run around without an opponent all night. You probably can’t see it on tv but he sat free off the back of the stoppage and just did what he liked.
Can anyone think why this would be allowed to happen?
Think it is just stubborness be honest.Everything comes from him for pies.Why we didn't go man on man in that first half to.
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Can't wait to hear Big Tone defend his boys Grigg & Conca :shh
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Tonight is definitely one of those nights I think miles would have done better than conca
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Tonight is definitely one of those nights I think miles would have done better than conca
Royce Vardy would have too
Not a like for like replacement at all. BEllis/Menadue are the 2 who would come in if they decided Conca wasn't up to it
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Can't wait to hear Big Tone defend his boys Grigg & Conca :shh
Get a clue mate...
Cannot stand Grigg or Conca..... or Bellis or Houli.
Happy for you to troll through my posts of any of those duds.
I reckon your mate has been gift his last game for the Tigers too....Just what I’m hearing :shh
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:pray
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If Grigg is anything more than depth next year Hardwick is not serious.... :shh
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Short seems to be getting off scott free around here.........was badly exposed tonight.....putrid....been ordinary in both finals..... :shh
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If Grigg is anything more than depth next year Hardwick is not serious.... :shh
Went a bit early in the contract extensions of Grigg and Houli IMO.
Surely Bolta takes Griggs spot next year.
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Short seems to be getting off scott free around here.........was badly exposed tonight.....putrid....been ordinary in both finals..... :shh
Agree not acountable defence wise big time and panic merchant in finals wasn't slone tho.
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No point signalling out players for criticism when all bar a couple were horrible.
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Every Tiger rated from the preliminary final
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
Sep 22, 2018
Jack Riewoldt – 9
In Jack style, gave everything he had when the Tigers lacked in so many areas. Locked in a tough battle with Tyson Goldsack, overcame a slow start to kick three of his five goals in the third quarter when the Tigers desperately needed something to happen. Winded himself in a marking contest before booting his fifth at the start of the fourth and didn't do much after that, but had been their most dangerous marking forward for the best part of the game.
Trent Cotchin – 8
Was the Tigers' leading possession winner at half-time and their main hope at the clearances. Tried his heart out and ended with 25 disposals, 11 contested, and won a whopping 10 clearances, but simply had too much to do on his own. Also won't want to be reminded of the moment he was used as Mason Cox's stepladder for the big Pie's second-term screamer.
Dylan Grimes – 7
Had plenty to do in defence given the Pies' bevy of dangerous goal-kickers, the fact Astbury was at half rat-power, and the way the Tigers like to try and leave Alex Rance free whenever possible. Played on a range of players from Brody Mihocek to Travis Varcoe to Jordan De Goey and didn't stop trying despite being treated briefly for an issue with his eye in the second quarter.
Dion Prestia – 7
Had 24 touches, second to Cotchin for the Tigers, and won four clearances and laid five tackles. But, also had eight turnovers and didn't move the ball with his usual precision. Applied the pressure when needed and wasn't afraid to get in and under, but wasn't always clean when he needed to be.
Shane Edwards - 6
Tried hard in the first half, spending some time in attack. Brought the pressure, dragged teammates into scoring opportunities and drove the ball inside 50, but didn't make a consistent impact.
Jack Higgins – 6
Playing with taping on the outside of his left knee, the first-year forward tried valiantly to lift the spirits of the team when he marked and goaled with seconds left before half-time. But, it wasn't as important as the straight kick he drove through seven minutes into the fourth that chopped the margin to 21 points. Wearing his heart on his sleeve, was one of the more visibly upset players on the final siren.
Bachar Houli – 6
Got the ball moving off half-back, as he characteristically does, and snuck forward to kick a third-quarter goal to give the Tigers a glimmer of hope. Had 22 touches, four inside 50s and four rebounds but made a few mistakes.
Alex Rance – 6
Had 20 touches and 10 intercepts, which wasn't really indicative of how he went. Tried a few different things to get going after starting deep against Jordan De Goey; switched opponents and broke off to play loose, but it wasn't the usual sort of Alex Rance game that sets the Tigers up from the last line of defence. It was tough with Astbury under the weather and the Pies possessing a number of midfield winners, and Rance didn't stop trying.
Nick Vlastuin – 6
Tried hard and got involved at both ends of the ground with five rebounds and four score involvements. Had 10 intercept possessions and was relatively clean with his disposal to be one of their more solid contributors.
Reece Conca – 5
Did a bit of everything, off half-back and through the midfield. Brought good pressure and laid five tackles on his way to 18 touches. Finishes the season somewhat reborn as a player after finally getting a consistent chance to prove his worth at AFL level, but his future at Punt Road remains uncertain with Fremantle circling the West Australian.
Shaun Grigg - 5
Did OK for 15 disposals although didn't really catch the eye. Had four inside 50s and, as usual, spent time on the wing and also in the ruck, although no Tiger was any match for the in-form All Australian Brodie Grundy.
Kane Lambert – 5
Came off a bit after his impressive return from an ankle injury in the first final. Had 19 disposals but wasn't quite the inside supporting act to Cotchin he was against Hawthorn. Was nursed through training leading into semi-final weekend, but was declared fit this week.
Kamdyn McIntosh – 5
It was a less prolific night for the wingman after he kicked three goals against Hawthorn. Spent time opposed to Steele Sidebottom in the first quarter, but largely played against Tom Phillips in a pretty even fight. Set up Higgins for a late second quarter goal they desperately needed and ended with 15 disposals and four rebounds.
Daniel Rioli – 5
Lit up the MCG early when he streaked through the middle with two possessions to set up Riewoldt's first shot at goal and brought his usual pizzazz to the contest with four inside 50s and plenty of pressure. However, just one of his five tackles was in the attacking arc. Got dragged down by James Aish in the third quarter, which was a boon for the Pies and sent their supporters into a frenzy. Didn't kick a goal for just the fourth time this season.
David Astbury – 4
Battled a virus late in the week that required hospitalisation for rehydration. Lined up against Mason Cox, who ended up being one of the Pies' best, but it wasn't always Astbury's fault. Had a spell up forward in the fourth and forced Nathan Buckley to shuffle the troops, but looked lethargic and out of sorts, touching the ball 12 times for the night.
Nathan Broad – 4
Has been quiet in his last three games and the trend continued, although he touched the ball 10 times, the most possessions he's had since round 21. Spent time against Travis Varcoe and Jaidyn Stephenson and had three rebounds as he worked to plug holes in the Tigers' back half.
Jack Graham – 4
Another quiet final from the usually prolific tackler and handy goal-kicker. Went to Scott Pendlebury for a period but only had eight disposals and also failed to score, however was second in pressure acts for the Tigers.
Dustin Martin – 4
Played in possession of the most talked about knee/leg/corked thigh in the country with late suggestion he was treated right up to the game just to get over the line. Drew Levi Greenwood in the midfield and Jeremy Howe when he went deep, which was often. Played 91 minutes of a possible 120 and simply didn't look himself as he hobbled to 19 disposals without his usual explosiveness and level of intimidation.
Josh Caddy – 3
Didn't provide the spark he offered in the first final when he kicked two goals. Went missing early on with just two touches in the opening term, despite spending more time in the midfield than usual. Had five to half-time and ended with 11 in his quietest game for a while.
Toby Nankervis – 3
Started well, notably out-marking Grundy when the Pies were attempting to repel from defence after a point early in the first quarter, but that was where it ended with Grundy having the run of play all over the ground after that. Did win the first clearance of the second half that contributed to Jack Riewoldt's opening goal, but it's fair to say he lowered his colours against the All-Australian big man.
Jayden Short – 3
Somewhat worked his way into the game after a quiet start but didn't possess his usual punch off half-back. Had 18 disposals but eight of them were turnovers, which indicated the pressure of the occasion may have gotten to the usually clean defender. Did spot Lambert out on the flank early in the third to instigate the switch and push the Tigers forward, but just didn't have enough of those moments.
Jason Castagna – 2
Didn't fire early, failing to touch the ball in the first quarter. Laid what ordinarily would have been a motivating tackle on Steele Sidebottom seven minutes into the second after the Pies exploded out of the blocks and was involved in Jack Riewoldt's goal to open the third, but didn't do a great deal else.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-21/every-tiger-rated-from-the-preliminary-final
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One player not getting enough criticism is Rance hasn't been the same since that diving incident been poor since then.
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Very generous with a lot of those player scores.
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Those scores would i guess be some of the lowest for the season. Unfortunate it happened at the prelim but we often criticised the media for focussing on how badly the opposition played when we beat them rather than us only allowing them to play that well. Now the shoe is on the other foot, we played as well as the Pies allowed us to play, their pressure and setups made us play un-Richmond like and for that you have to say well done to them.
Its a hard pill to swallow but sooner or later we were going to get beaten at the G, leading up to the finals we were far from convincing and even against the Hawks there were some worrying moments but our class got us through in the end.
Next season we do it all again with the nucleus of a very good side that will challenge the best teams and take us on another joyous ride on the Tigers train.
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Well said Lozza. The signs were definitely there.
Def better to not finish first I believe. 5 yrs in a row now that team hasn’t won the big dance
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Just far tooo many MIA last night
Count on one hand those who fired a shot
The others missing
Don't want to single out players but one in particular i expected more and he was deplorable and that was Caddy.
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Very generous with a lot of those player scores.
Agree wayne
Incredibly generous :huh3
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Beating pies twice without a few gun players gave a false illusion, but in reality they probably could have beaten us had they have had a full list.
I think we went away from the jovial relaxed set up of last year, and they couldn’t deal with the pressure in the end
Signs were there for the last 2 months and I think going out in Straight sets in the vfl was a big loss.
Outgunned and outplayed and no one can be happy with that ending, as it may never come around again for a long time.
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Can't wait to hear Big Tone defend his boys Grigg & Conca :shh
Get a clue mate...
Cannot stand Grigg or Conca..... or Bellis or Houli.
Happy for you to troll through my posts of any of those duds.
I reckon your mate has been gift his last game for the Tigers too....Just what I’m hearing :shh
Gift his last game for what? What does that mean?
If you're talking about Brandon, yes both Brisbane & GC are interested but he's staying put. Still doing work on his house here and is a required player
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Caddy was the biggest disappointment for me. Great year but no where to be seen last night.
Short wet the bed a few times.
Bacher has played better finals too.
Dusty was obviously injured.
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Can't wait to hear Big Tone defend his boys Grigg & Conca :shh
Get a clue mate...
Cannot stand Grigg or Conca..... or Bellis or Houli.
Happy for you to troll through my posts of any of those duds.
I reckon your mate has been gift his last game for the Tigers too....Just what I’m hearing :shh
Gift his last game for what? What does that mean?
If you're talking about Brandon, yes both Brisbane & GC are interested but he's staying put. Still doing work on his house here and is a required player
Tell him to enjoy the VFL then. :lol
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Beating pies twice without a few gun players gave a false illusion, but in reality they probably could have beaten us had they have had a full list.
I think we went away from the jovial relaxed set up of last year, and they couldn’t deal with the pressure in the end
Signs were there for the last 2 months and I think going out in Straight sets in the vfl was a big loss.
Outgunned and outplayed and no one can be happy with that ending, as it may never come around again for a long time.
Fair comment. We didn't go into the finals with any great momentum. It was only a matter of time when we would get beaten at the MCG. Collingwood completely outplayed us. Martin was clearly injured. Went in with wrong team selection. Butler should have been brought in. Next season need to focus on developing our younger players.
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Caddy was mugged whenever he went near the ball, but yeah he was still crap. Jack Riewoldt was the only one who handled the pressure
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Caddy was mugged whenever he went near the ball, but yeah he was still crap. Jack Riewoldt was the only one who handled the pressure
Credit to pies mate has to be given.Baffling tho after last season experience in big games.
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Hope that Astbury coughed over any Magpie he was near.
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I know you can cherry pick isolated incidents from a game on TV but Nathan Brown showed a fair few 50/50 contests just from the first 10 mins of Friday night's loss that would embarrass a few of our players and summed up our night:
* Contest for the loose ball at HF and while we fumble (and cop an unlucky ricochet), Pendlebury gathers cleanly and turns out of traffic. Collingwood clear and go forward in space.
* A spill from a stoppage on the members wing towards the boundary side and Caddy makes a half-hearted attempt to chase after the footy allowing the Pies to gather easily and go forward.
* Edwards leads Sier to the ball at CHB but is easily pushed off the ball by Sier. Collingwood go inside 50.
* A loose footy at HF with Castagna closer to it than Adams but Adams comes charging in harder and wins it off a hesitant George. Collingwood clear and go forward in space.
When you see all these lame attempts at 50/50 contests in a short timeframe and early in the game, it's an indictment on where our heads were at collectively and that Collingwood were simply far more desperate, harder, hungrier and wanted it more on the night. A harsh lesson that no matter how good you are you can't drop off in doing the basics otherwise you'll pay big time as we did.
ps. Of course, Barrett could help himself to rub it in this morning: Richmond's season was a total failure; there's no guarantee they'll get back to challenging top 2 again; Neil Balme is a "liar" (re: Dusty).
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* A loose footy at HF with Castagna closer to it than Adams but Adams coming charging in harder and wins it off a hestitant George. Collingwood clear and go forward in space.
Not just Castagna but I have been noticing this all season and has been in the back of my mind a lot. Last year we were hungrier, this year that hunger wasn't there. I still remember round one where Butler briefly pulled up to let a ball hit the ground before attacking it. My dad and I looked at each other and said that wouldn't have happened last September. Team selection aside, that hunger IMO was the difference on Friday night and hopefully it's a bit of fuel for the guys next season.
Can't speak for anyone else but I admit I didn't get as excited about the wins this season or was as upset about the losses and I often wondered if some players felt the same way after what we had done last year.
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Watched the replay
Wish I hadn't
Players I thought were bad were worse
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Go West Coast, the Crimowoods are already rubbing it in.
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What led to Richmond being unable to "handle the moment"?
By Nic Negrepontis
SEN
23 Sep 2018
AFL Hall of Famer Terry Wallace said he had a feeling Collingwood could upset Richmond before the game.
Friday night’s Preliminary Final presented Richmond their first predicament of being outright favourites in a final – without the safety net of a double chance – in a very, very long time.
Wallace said he felt it was up to Collingwood to exploit that, and they most certainly did.
“I had a friend in the crowd and I said your one chance is to jump a side that’s only played one game in 26 days and spook them because the dynamic of the Richmond Football Club has never been the hot favourite in a final and been put under pressure and known what that was like to deal with,” Wallace told the AFL Nation pregame show.
“I thought the only way that Collingwood had a chance was to see what would happen if they were put under that pressure and they didn’t handle the moment at all.
“That’s taking zero away from Collingwood who took it right up to them and put them under so much pressure, but I’ve never seen the Richmond side make so many mistakes, fumble the ball so much and just did not handle the moment.
“They didn’t handle the physical pressure that Collingwood put on them, but I don’t think they handled the moment of that dynamic either.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/09/22/what-led-to-richmond-being-unable-to-handle-the-moment/
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Club needs to bunker down.
Get the player/players required to evolve.
How will the game look with the changes next year.
Still burning inside, this will pass.
I believe the discussions were still had at 2am into Saturday Morning.
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ROBBO - WHAT I DON’T LIKE
Herald-Sun
24 Sep 2018
1. RICHMOND’S KICKING
The quick scrub kick forward has worked for the Tigers for almost two seasons, but the problem on Friday night, among many, was Richmond didn’t get any benefit. The team recorded a kicking efficiency of just 52 per cent. The list of errant kickers makes for horrible reading; Dion Prestia (25 per cent efficiency), Kane Lambert (30), Josh Caddy (33), Jack Graham (33), Jayden Short (43) and Trent Cotchin (50). Collingwood’s efficiency was 69 per cent which meant it controlled the outside game. The Pies won uncontested possessions by 61 and took 49 more marks than Richmond.
2. MARTIN AND ASTBURY
Dustin Martin (corkie) looked battle-weary and Astbury (ill) lacked his usual the calmness and awareness and lost Cox too many times. The hand over against Martin worked a treat. In the middle, he played on Greenwood who kept him to just seven disposals and when he was deep forward Howe gave up just five. Astbury declared himself available and simply had a ‘mare’. That happens and clearly he wasn’t alone as the following highlights.
3. MAYBE DENIS PAGAN WAS RIGHT
In early September, premiership coach Pagan said he held fears the Tigers might have got ahead of themselves. “I think the Tigers have had a long while to think about premierships,” Pagan said. “I’m sure their players would have been thinking about premierships probably from about four or five weeks ago when no other side in the competition had the opportunity to think about it. It’s going to be exciting to see what Damien (Hardwick) does to get their minds on the job and play in the present and not get involved in the future.” The Tigers won the first final against Hawthorn and capitulated against the Magpies after their week off. “I know people will say I’m a silly old fool for talking like this but on the Saturdays off I used to say to our guys ‘the side isn’t finalised, bring your mouthguards, it’s going to be on for young and old’. I think the players thrived on competition.’’ For whatever reason, the Tigers didn’t have their customary edge. Maybe Denis was right.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/super-rankings/mark-robinson-looks-at-the-highlights-and-lowlights-from-preliminary-final-week/news-story/b21db5a0e0a317b04e0f4a5519ad6281
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ROBBO - WHAT I DON’T LIKE
Herald-Sun
24 Sep 2018
1. RICHMOND’S KICKING
The quick scrub kick forward
Hey, Bloke, it's called a groovy grubber.. :shh
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Have heard
On top of dusty and astbury:
Prestia played with 4 broken/cracked ribs
Conca and Lamberts' ankles were stuffed
We had 4 players playing with the flu'
Can anyone confirm that?
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ROBBO - WHAT I DON’T LIKE
Herald-Sun
24 Sep 2018
1. RICHMOND’S KICKING
The quick scrub kick forward
Hey, Bloke, it's called a groovy grubber.. :shh
Correct, it's an official stat..... :shh :shh
Have heard
On top of dusty and astbury:
Prestia played with 4 broken/cracked ribs
Conca and Lamberts' ankles were stuffed
We had 4 players playing with the flu'
Can anyone confirm that?
#tigeshaveinjuries..... :shh :whistle
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I don't care about the flu and gastro and injured players, you just don't play them, stiff poo if you aren't fit, you just don't play, simple. If we were doomed, we should of at least given a few up and comers a run at a final to taste it. People will just walk to other clubs if they keep getting looked over while injured players can still get selected before them.
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Have heard
On top of dusty and astbury:
Prestia played with 4 broken/cracked ribs
Conca and Lamberts' ankles were stuffed
We had 4 players playing with the flu'
Can anyone confirm that?
Have heard this from a number of different sources in the last 24 hours including a players Gf.
Not an excuse, but it explains a lot.
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it explains poor management or a load of bs
lambert not fit-butler plays
prestia not fit miles plays
dusty plays regardless
garth plays instead of astbury
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Have heard
On top of dusty and astbury:
Prestia played with 4 broken/cracked ribs
Conca and Lamberts' ankles were stuffed
We had 4 players playing with the flu'
Can anyone confirm that?
Have heard this from a number of different sources in the last 24 hours including a players Gf.
Not an excuse, but it explains a lot.
Apart from Assberry, No flu, my mail was....... they had a collective shocker. Players still stunned on Sunday
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Have'nt read a paper, watched any footy shows.. No SEN Dont even know stats from the game, gutted and cant wait until this week is done (Pray the Eagles can save my summer)
BUT that was definately not us out there, Dont get me wrong the other team outplayed and outRchmonded us, I just feel :chuck
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Have'nt read a paper, watched any footy shows.. No SEN Dont even know stats from the game, gutted and cant wait until this week is done (Pray the Eagles can save my summer)
BUT that was definately not us out there, Dont get me wrong the other team outplayed and outRchmonded us, I just feel :chuck
Same here. Apart from the Brownlow and comments on this forum, have essentially cut off all footy shows, radio and articles. Will be cheering on the mighty eagles on Saturday though.
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It's starting like Chinese whispers now lol the conspiracy.I reckon as a whole the club had a shocker.Players didn't rock up to play wither over confident or thought it was just going to happen.The match committee picking players unfit for a final and that's something you never do.Add to that poor matchups and game day coaching was poor to.
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Have'nt read a paper, watched any footy shows.. No SEN Dont even know stats from the game, gutted and cant wait until this week is done (Pray the Eagles can save my summer)
BUT that was definately not us out there, Dont get me wrong the other team outplayed and outRchmonded us, I just feel :chuck
Same here. Apart from the Brownlow and comments on this forum, have essentially cut off all footy shows, radio and articles. Will be cheering on the mighty eagles on Saturday though.
I don't feel sick, I just feel shattered about the way we went about it.
I am also glad that I am not the only one that has felt this way about football this last week.
I have a luncheon tomorrow with a fair line up and I am considering puling the pin! I don't want to hear it!!
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it just goes to show how hard it is winning a flag.
No injuries throughout the year, best team and when it counted we were found wanting or took it too easy. Not sure the real reason we lost, but i have my doubts they were switched on.
be grateful you saw one i reckon. Those who missed out may never get another chance again
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I haven't sought out any footy news either. Have only heard snippets on the radio while at work but for the most part I've switched off. Don't care about the grand final at all, the missus wrote her car off last weekend so we'll be out car shopping instead. Winning it all last year makes it easier for me. It was sort of a closure.
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Those avoiding the footy shows may have missed a bit.
Footy Classified last night was excellent I thought in talking about us.
Mostly just what most have been saying here.
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it just goes to show how hard it is winning a flag.
No injuries throughout the year, best team and when it counted we were found wanting or took it too easy. Not sure the real reason we lost, but i have my doubts they were switched on.
be grateful you saw one i reckon. Those who missed out may never get another chance again
Fair comment. I hope we have another chance in the foreseeable future.
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One thing the Prelim highlighted though, we often lost momentum in our games this season for a quarter or maybe more. Do it in the finals and you’re cooked.
There is no one reason why we lost though, many factors were at play:
Playing suspect players
Two byes
The opposition played our style better
Missing early shots on goal
Getting hammered in the ruck
Tactical errors etc all played a part in our loss
We still lost less games than any other club this year, Jack Higgins is a hit, many expected a hangover and there wasn’t, we finally had the courage to drop BEllis, I will take a very small measure of solace from all that.
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One thing the Prelim highlighted though, we often lost momentum in our games this season for a quarter or maybe more. Do it in the finals and you’re cooked.
There is no one reason why we lost though, many factors were at play:
Playing suspect players
Two byes
The opposition played our style better
Missing early shots on goal
Getting hammered in the ruck
Tactical errors etc all played a part in our loss
We still lost less games than any other club this year, Jack Higgins is a hit, many expected a hangover and there wasn’t, we finally had the courage to drop BEllis, I will take a very small measure of solace from all that.
I take courage too but then Conca's re-insertment cancels that out.
Seriously, the guy cant kick and is lazy attacking the open contested ball.
Just waiting for the next brain snap when he belts a bloke in the back of the head again and then it might be to the 2nds permanently. better still, trade to freo pls.
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the conca decision to play in the prelim was a mistake. In fact to play him ahead of bellis was a nil all draw IMO.
Both are poo but bellis at least has delivered when it counted. Both should be shoved out the state quicker than all of us come saturday 6pm
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the conca decision to play in the prelim was a mistake. In fact to play him ahead of bellis was a nil all draw IMO.
Both are poo but bellis at least has delivered when it counted. Both should be shoved out the state quicker than all of us come saturday 6pm
youd think we'd learn. from memory Conca and Grffiths bought in for the North finals loss in 2015.
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the conca decision to play in the prelim was a mistake. In fact to play him ahead of bellis was a nil all draw IMO.
Both are poo but bellis at least has delivered when it counted. Both should be shoved out the state quicker than all of us come saturday 6pm
youd think we'd learn. from memory Conca and Grffiths bought in for the North finals loss in 2015.
those who are calling for bellis head may need to watch the GF from 2017 again and then watch the 2015 finals loss.
As i have said both are pretty crap for our game, but one has delivered when it mattered most, and one is a stuffin disgrace who should never be allowed to step on punt road again
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It's true, Bellis was good all through the final series and the Granny. Conca is a chronic fuckup
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I think our coaching should of come unde heat more from last Friday they had a shocker from A to Z.
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I think our coaching should of come unde heat more from last Friday they had a shocker from A to Z.
Lets face it our last couple of months of the season was far from awe inspiring, all were waiting to see if we could flick the switch in the finals. We got lucky meeting Hawks who basically were the equivalent of a 8th or 9th position team if the draw was uncompromised.
The prelim result was a combination of injuries, poor form, matchup issues and a red hot Pies team who could not put a foot wrong. Our level of performance from finals last season no doubt would have beaten Pies but we just didnt have the same momentum we had last year and paid the ultimate price.
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I think our coaching should of come unde heat more from last Friday they had a shocker from A to Z.
Lets face it our last couple of months of the season was far from awe inspiring, all were waiting to see if we could flick the switch in the finals. We got lucky meeting Hawks who basically were the equivalent of a 8th or 9th position team if the draw was uncompromised.
The prelim result was a combination of injuries, poor form, matchup issues and a red hot Pies team who could not put a foot wrong. Our level of performance from finals last season no doubt would have beaten Pies but we just didnt have the same momentum we had last year and paid the ultimate price.
All fair points.
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I think our coaching should of come unde heat more from last Friday they had a shocker from A to Z.
Lets face it our last couple of months of the season was far from awe inspiring, all were waiting to see if we could flick the switch in the finals. We got lucky meeting Hawks who basically were the equivalent of a 8th or 9th position team if the draw was uncompromised.
The prelim result was a combination of injuries, poor form, matchup issues and a red hot Pies team who could not put a foot wrong. Our level of performance from finals last season no doubt would have beaten Pies but we just didnt have the same momentum we had last year and paid the ultimate price.
Good Summary. Would also add team selection
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Cotch and Grimesy were on the "That's Good For Footy" show last week after the Prelim Final loss.
Cotch was asked straight up at the start of the show about the "elephant in room"- What went wrong?
Cotch compared the Prelim to the Round 16 St Kilda game of 2017 where everything went wrong for us and right for the opposition. Disappointing and frustrating for such a performance to occur in such an important match as a Prelim. The players are feeling just as frustrated (as our supporters).
Cotch also wouldn't use injury as an excuse. Said Dusty would admit himself he didn't have his best game like most of us. Jokingly called Dusty "soft" over that one corky when Dyl would cop 5-6 corkies each and every week.
Finally, Cotch added that while we'll make additions to and subtractions from our list and make other tweaks, we won't be changing our structures. We got back to within 21 points at one stage early in the last quarter which totally flattered us. That shows our structures still held up.
WATCH IT HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBvoST4zGSY
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I think our coaching should of come unde heat more from last Friday they had a shocker from A to Z.
Lets face it our last couple of months of the season was far from awe inspiring, all were waiting to see if we could flick the switch in the finals. We got lucky meeting Hawks who basically were the equivalent of a 8th or 9th position team if the draw was uncompromised.
The prelim result was a combination of injuries, poor form, matchup issues and a red hot Pies team who could not put a foot wrong. Our level of performance from finals last season no doubt would have beaten Pies but we just didnt have the same momentum we had last year and paid the ultimate price.
True. Hopefully we work out and learn from what went wrong in the last 6 weeks or so of the season at both AFL & VFL levels.
ps. Hopefully Dimma learns the next time we play Collingwood:
(i) The Pies try to blitz sides in the first 40 mins. If you can keep within a couple of goals of them you'll run then down in the second half. We however panicked and fell totally apart structurally which resulted in us coughing up 6 goals in the 10 mins either side of quarter time. That was the game.
(ii) Whoever plays on DeGoey plays him from in front not behind. It takes away his space to lead into. It was bad enough he had Rance on him instead of Grimes but even so Rance should have been instructed to play in front. No coincidence that McGovern took that game saving mark because he played DeGoey from in front. It also showed how DeGoey is unaccountable when played in this way. Runs hard forward but won't work back defensively.
(iii) With Grimes on DeGoey, Rance can float in front of Cox or initiate early body contact to spoil Cox.
(iv) Tag Sidebottom: 41 disposals against us down to just 14 in the GF.
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Rance has been below average on the 1 vs 1 all year. I don't know if it's form or lingering injuries but he has been outmarked a lot this year. He is a champion and I'd back him to rise up again. At his best I would say he could easily beat Cox in a 50/50 marking contest without a 3rd man like Astbury or broad floating in
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Rance has been below average on the 1 vs 1 all year. I don't know if it's form or lingering injuries but he has been outmarked a lot this year. He is a champion and I'd back him to rise up again. At his best I would say he could easily beat Cox in a 50/50 marking contest without a 3rd man like Astbury or broad floating in
No1 is beating Cox when he is allowed an acre of space to lead into. From memory he might have taken a couple of pack marks but his goals came from marks on the lead. Couldnt believe how bad we were set up inside D50 against the pies.
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Rance has been below average on the 1 vs 1 all year. I don't know if it's form or lingering injuries but he has been outmarked a lot this year. He is a champion and I'd back him to rise up again. At his best I would say he could easily beat Cox in a 50/50 marking contest without a 3rd man like Astbury or broad floating in
Rance gets beaten just like every other player that’s played the game. He is a star but he is human!
To say he has been “below avarage” 1 vs 1 this year is BS.
Below average is Tyson Goldsack not Alex Rance.
If it wasn’t for Alex Rance we would be in all sorts.
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Rance has been below average on the 1 vs 1 all year. I don't know if it's form or lingering injuries but he has been outmarked a lot this year. He is a champion and I'd back him to rise up again. At his best I would say he could easily beat Cox in a 50/50 marking contest without a 3rd man like Astbury or broad floating in
Rance gets beaten just like every other player that’s played the game. He is a star but he is human!
To say he has been “below avarage” 1 vs 1 this year is BS.
Below average is Tyson Goldsack not Alex Rance.
If it wasn’t for Alex Rance we would be in all sorts.
I guess I could have worded that better. I meant below average on his previous years. Like say in the 2017 GF he was stopping everything coming his way and looked like winning the norm Smith at half time.
I love Rance just as much as everyone on this forum. But I do believe this is one of his leaner years (from his standards) and his placing in the Jack Dyer medal reflects that
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Agreed. He was well below his best this year.
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Who wasn’t? You could put half the team in the same category IMO.
Cotch, Dusty, Lambert, Rance etc
Perhaps if we had players like Nank guarding the space he was supposed to and grimes started on de goey this wouldn’t even be mentioned. Rance has had a good year but like many saved his worst for the end
poo happens
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Rance was huge this year.
Some have short memories.
A disappointing prelim maybe but an outstanding year.
I guess if some think Rance was below average, Dusty must have been too.
We lost 4 games this year before the finals, if it wasn’t Rance and Dusty carrying us I would like to know who it was that stepped up from last year to take the slack??
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exactly BT, well said.
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Yep, perfect.
Astbury’s sickness totally stuffed our match ups for the night which is why Degoey and Cox got off the leash at times.
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Barrett in his 'Sliding Doors' column:
Richmond
IF ... there's one thing we can't work out right now ...
THEN ... it is this: was Richmond's bad loss in the prelim final A) reflective of their 2018 standing? or B) simply a really bad night at the office? Leaning slightly towards 'A'. But Lynch coming in fixes that for 2019.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-05/sliding-doors-trade-period
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Barrett in his 'Sliding Doors' column:
Richmond
IF ... there's one thing we can't work out right now ...
THEN ... it is this: was Richmond's bad loss in the prelim final A) reflective of their 2018 standing? or B) simply a really bad night at the office? Leaning slightly towards 'A'. But Lynch coming in fixes that for 2019.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-05/sliding-doors-trade-period
LOL. Stuff off Barrot. You have embarrassed yourself to no end in the past 72 hours.
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yup because finishing 2 games clear on top and blitzing through the qualifying final before losing the prelim reflects more on the season rather that 1 game...........
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yup because finishing 2 games clear on top and blitzing through the qualifying final before losing the prelim reflects more on the season rather that 1 game...........
Exstuffingactly
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Breaking news, Barrett opens his mouth and poo falls out
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No; he literally defecated from his mouth...
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No; he literally defecated from his mouth...
The guy’s a lolnorf muppet. Why is Tom Browne telling us that Gaff is staying? Purple won’t comment on Lolnorfs inability to land anyone of genuine quality to their club. The one guy they have landed wanted to stay at Port but Hinkley conceded the money was too good to retain him. Says a lot about Polec but speaks volumes about lolnorfs reputation as a destination club
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Steele Sidebottom at Collingwood's B&F:
“I don’t know where I heard it, maybe Eddie spoke about the Tigers calling themelves an army, but I think we’re the only army out there.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/every-afl-club-bestandfairest-result-for-the-2018-season/news-story/5eee54898cf62571cdac04fc9e037ce2
Obsessed much :lol.
Here have a tissue, Steele :wallywink.
(https://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2018/09/565522_82d7c39802a36510c0918b9044f13457.jpeg)
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Chokers. I will always cherish the moment that player burst into tears as he got tackled in front of the Weagles goals just before the siren. BAHAHAHAHAHAHA