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Title: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2018, 01:01:17 PM
The next Eddie? Crows eye Tiger small forward

Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
Sep 21, 2018 9:47AM


ADELAIDE has Richmond small forward Tyson Stengle on its radar, as the out-of-contract Tiger weighs up his future.

Stengle was drafted by the Tigers as a rookie at the end of 2016 from South Australia and played two senior games last year.

However, he couldn't break into their line-up this year despite kicking 33 goals from 19 games at VFL level.

AFL.com.au understands the Crows are among the clubs who have shown interest in the 19-year-old, who will head back to Adelaide after Richmond's season to consider his decision.

The Tigers are believed to be keen to keep Stengle at the club, with the likelihood of a two-year deal to be put forward, but Stengle has put his call on hold until Richmond's finals campaign is over with the belief he is ready to play regular senior football.

Hurting that cause at Punt Road is the surplus of small forwards at coach Damien Hardwick's disposal, including star Daniel Rioli, premiership pair Jason Castagna and Dan Butler and the emergence of Jack Higgins this season.

Another lively Tigers goalkicker, Shai Bolton, is also out of contract at the end of this season.

Adelaide's leading small goalkicker Eddie Betts has booted 273 goals in 111 games since crossing to the Crows at the end of 2013, but will turn 32 later this year.

The targeting of Stengle, who is a nephew of Sydney great Michael O'Loughlin, highlights the need for another emerging small forward option to add to the club's stocks.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-21/the-next-eddie-crows-eye-tiger-small-forward
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Diocletian on September 21, 2018, 03:17:07 PM
Best decision maker on the list....cross between Caleb Daniel & Matthew Stokes.... :shh
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 21, 2018, 04:29:54 PM
costing us the game in the VFL finals has made him hungry so I hear :shh

Can play :shh :shh
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Diocletian on September 21, 2018, 04:45:06 PM
Your favourite ladyboy Brandine cost us that last final..... :shh

Stengle did have a shocking finals series this year though, probably his worst games for the club.... but was easily out best during the home & away season...and played well during last year's VFL finals IIRC.. :shh :shh
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 21, 2018, 05:21:39 PM
Had Stengle stuck that tackle at half back in the dying seconds...:shh

Has ruined everything :shh
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 02, 2018, 12:12:08 PM
Crows circling young Tigers small forward

By SEN
2 Oct 2018


SEN South Australian correspondent Tom Rehn says Adelaide are likely to pursue young Richmond livewire Tyson Stengle.

Stengle, 19, failed to play a senior game for the Tigers in 2018 and is currently out of contract.

Rehn believes the South Australian native could be headed home with the Crows looking to add another small forward to their ranks.

“The one who I’m hearing may come the other way is young Tyson Stengle, who’s played a couple of games with Richmond,” Rehn told SEN Breakfast.

“They’ve (Adelaide) really missed Charlie Cameron since he’s headed to Brisbane, I think the Crows will go after him.

“He’s a South Aussie from Woodville-West Torrens, the Crows have had their issues keeping non-South Australians here in Adelaide.

“I think he’s a player that would probably end up coming back to the Crows in the trade period starting next week.”

Taken with pick six in the 2017 Rookie Draft, Stengle has played two games for the yellow and black.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/10/01/crows-circling-young-tigers-small-forward/
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: pmac21 on October 02, 2018, 12:14:13 PM
Can you trade a rookie? Or do they just sign him as a free agent.....
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 02, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
Can you trade a rookie? Or do they just sign him as a free agent.....
Given Stengle is a second-year rookie then he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


Rookie List & Free Agency:

A rookie list player who retires is not eligible to be a free agent.

A first-year rookie not receiving a second-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.

A first-year rookie not accepting a second-year rookie contract offer is not considered a delisted player and must nominate and go through the draft.

A second-year rookie not accepting a third-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: georgies31 on October 02, 2018, 12:39:50 PM
Can you trade a rookie? Or do they just sign him as a free agent.....
Given Stengle is a second-year rookie then he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


Rookie List & Free Agency:

A rookie list player who retires is not eligible to be a free agent.

A first-year rookie not receiving a second-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.

A first-year rookie not accepting a second-year rookie contract offer is not considered a delisted player and must nominate and go through the draft.

A second-year rookie not accepting a third-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

Pies gave swans a second rd pick for Sam Murray who was on rookee list
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 02, 2018, 12:41:06 PM
Very odd we would let hom go without a yelp. After this final series we saw what it’s looks like when we lose a player or 2 via injury.

I would dump Georgie before this guy, only because He has reached his max output where I think Tyson is an unknown.

Looking like 20% of our list will be turned over this year. Seems a lot
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Diocletian on October 02, 2018, 12:42:30 PM
Can you trade a rookie? Or do they just sign him as a free agent.....
Given Stengle is a second-year rookie then he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


Rookie List & Free Agency:

A rookie list player who retires is not eligible to be a free agent.

A first-year rookie not receiving a second-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.

A first-year rookie not accepting a second-year rookie contract offer is not considered a delisted player and must nominate and go through the draft.

A second-year rookie not accepting a third-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency


So we just to offer him a contract then Adelaide will have to trade?

Kid is worth keeping. :shh
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on October 02, 2018, 12:45:01 PM
Can you trade a rookie? Or do they just sign him as a free agent.....
Given Stengle is a second-year rookie then he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


Rookie List & Free Agency:

A rookie list player who retires is not eligible to be a free agent.

A first-year rookie not receiving a second-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.

A first-year rookie not accepting a second-year rookie contract offer is not considered a delisted player and must nominate and go through the draft.

A second-year rookie not accepting a third-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency


So we just to offer him a contract then Adelaide will have to trade?
Not really as he first has to accept it....
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Tiger Tragic on October 02, 2018, 12:46:45 PM
Can you trade a rookie? Or do they just sign him as a free agent.....
Given Stengle is a second-year rookie then he becomes an unrestricted free agent.


Rookie List & Free Agency:

A rookie list player who retires is not eligible to be a free agent.

A first-year rookie not receiving a second-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.

A first-year rookie not accepting a second-year rookie contract offer is not considered a delisted player and must nominate and go through the draft.

A second-year rookie not accepting a third-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

What about a second year rookie who does not accept a senior list contract?

Seems a bit rough that he can walk to wherever he wants when a senior listed player who doesn't agree to a new contract has to go into the draft (except for RFAs and UFAs that is).
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Diocletian on October 02, 2018, 12:51:53 PM
What if we offered him a senior list contract? :shh
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 02, 2018, 07:17:34 PM
On the news they showed Stengle at our B&F tonight. So he hasn't left yet.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: The Machine on October 02, 2018, 07:57:53 PM
On the news they showed Stengle at our B&F tonight. So he hasn't left yet.


All players are in attendance tonight.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: eliminator on October 02, 2018, 09:41:00 PM
Hope he stays.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 03, 2018, 08:56:32 AM
Adelaide list manager said he has nominated the crows
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 03, 2018, 08:59:06 AM
This was a bad mistake by the tigers and one I hope doesn’t come back to bite

Did we even offer him a contract or were we too busy offering duds like Conca one
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 03, 2018, 11:13:35 AM
Adelaide list manager said he has nominated the crows

also said theyd work through that with richmond during the trade period. indicating that we'll get something in return for him.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: TFL on October 03, 2018, 11:32:57 AM
Its a real shame to see this guy leave but don't blame him

He should have been given an opportunity at senior level this year and his form certainly warranted it.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 03, 2018, 12:57:10 PM
Adelaide list manager said he has nominated the crows

also said theyd work through that with richmond during the trade period. indicating that we'll get something in return for him.
Yep. Hopefully, we can get something in return.

(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/46e1af33-13e0-4343-b2d3-f400fd9eeaa7.png)
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: camboon on October 03, 2018, 01:23:20 PM
I would have had him in before George, disappointing,will be a very good player
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Diocletian on October 03, 2018, 02:17:46 PM
Adelaide list manager said he has nominated the crows

also said theyd work through that with richmond during the trade period. indicating that we'll get something in return for him.
Yep. Hopefully, we can get something in return.

(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/46e1af33-13e0-4343-b2d3-f400fd9eeaa7.png)

I rate the kid but if Adelaide think he's going to add speed I'm afraid they're going to be sorely disappointed.... :shh

Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Slipper on October 03, 2018, 10:30:00 PM
Adelaide list manager said he has nominated the crows

also said theyd work through that with richmond during the trade period. indicating that we'll get something in return for him.
Yep. Hopefully, we can get something in return.

(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/46e1af33-13e0-4343-b2d3-f400fd9eeaa7.png)

I rate the kid but if Adelaide think he's going to add speed I'm afraid they're going to be sorely disappointed.... :shh


That assessment must be based on last year's grand final.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 08, 2018, 02:14:23 PM
Adelaide's list manager said he has had good dialogue with Blair Hartley and expects a deal will be done in the next week.

VIDEO: https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1049132704845844482
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 11, 2018, 02:35:20 PM
Adelaide Crows turn attention to Tiger Tyson Stengle

Andrew Capel,
The Advertiser
October 11, 2018


RICHMOND small forward Tyson Stengle is the next cab off the trade rank for Adelaide.

“That is a work in progress,’’ list manager Justin Reid said.

“We’re having good dialogue with (Tigers list manager) Blair Hartley and Tyson is keen and committed to get back to SA and join the Adelaide Football Club.

“We are having ongoing discussions and are quietly confident we’ll be able to get something done there.’’

Woodville-West Torrens product Stengle, 19, has played just two AFL games for Richmond because of its strong band of small forwards.

But he has class and speed and applies strong forward pressure.

Stengle’s trade value is about a fourth-round draft pick.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/tigers-small-forward-tyson-stengle-next-cab-off-the-rank-for-adelaide-crows/news-story/41902647fc5b9e6ae018753162de80ea
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Knighter on October 11, 2018, 02:54:30 PM
They can jam their 4th round pick where the sun don’t shine. It’s a pick below 45 or get stuffed
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 11, 2018, 03:35:16 PM
Tigs have truly stuffed this I feel will be the end reUlt

Gifting games to others when Stengle could have provided a similar or slightly better output.

I could be wrong but I think this guy from what  I saw can play.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Diocletian on October 11, 2018, 03:38:35 PM
You're not wrong....and he should 've played before Baker at the very least..... :shh
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: georgies31 on October 11, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
He was on fire early on the year,but went off second half tho and got injured to.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 11, 2018, 04:57:18 PM
We just gonna trade everyone who hasn't played regular senior footy of late? and for 4th rounders at best?
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Diocletian on October 11, 2018, 05:20:53 PM
Seems that way...#firesale.... :shh
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: MintOnLamb on October 12, 2018, 12:33:57 AM
Had a lot of upside and not given a chance IMHO, sad to see him go
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Dont Argue on October 12, 2018, 01:22:52 AM
You're not wrong....and he should 've played before Baker at the very least..... :shh

Stengle doesn't have speed, nor endurance. RFC value both those skill sets very highly and unfortunately it's the future of football.
As we've seen with Higgins. There were times when you said "is he explosive enough"? The answer is no but he has elite endurance and his GPS figures are through the roof. Chicken has neither. Natural football player who 10 years ago would have had a magnificent career. He will simply be caught and tackled at the higher level. The game of football is the loser in this.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Diocletian on October 12, 2018, 03:31:36 AM
He looked up to the level in his two senior appearances last year..... endurance will come eventually even if he'll never be Tom Scully..., his pace is merely average , not slow and he has attributes we don't have enough of - good foot skills, decision making, goal sense , general footy nouse, composure and forward delivery..also like his abilty to stand up in and break tackles.... :shh
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 12, 2018, 07:02:42 AM
He looked up to the level in his two senior appearances last year..... endurance will come eventually even if he'll never be Tom Scully..., his pace is merely average , not slow and he has attributes we don't have enough of - good foot skills, decision making, goal sense , general footy nouse, composure and forward delivery..also like his abilty to stand up in and break tackles.... :shh

Would you give him a 3 year contract?
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: eliminator on October 12, 2018, 07:36:41 AM
He looked up to the level in his two senior appearances last year..... endurance will come eventually even if he'll never be Tom Scully..., his pace is merely average , not slow and he has attributes we don't have enough of - good foot skills, decision making, goal sense , general footy nouse, composure and forward delivery..also like his abilty to stand up in and break tackles.... :shh

Agree. His composure was for all to see in that Port game and clearly has good goal sense. Should have been given an opportunity this year.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 13, 2018, 12:12:35 AM
Adelaide’s pursuit of Richmond small forward Tyson Stengle continues.

The clubs continue to discuss a deal but have yet to come to an agreement.

The Crows believe South Australian Stengle, who has played just two AFL games in two years on the Tigers’ rookie list but has plenty of talent, is worth about a fourth-round draft selection.

They are confident a deal will get done.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/family-affair-as-collingwood-shows-interest-in-adelaide-crows-defender-jake-kelly/news-story/377460f51b425c16a7291c04c33d5af5
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: georgies31 on October 13, 2018, 06:30:35 AM
Screw them a fourth rounder let's have a swap of picks in the second round or third round.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on October 13, 2018, 09:23:02 AM
I’m a little confused as to how this hasn’t been done already.

Either we’re playing hardball (unlikely) or there’s something in the works we have to deal with first  :shh
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: 🏅Dooks on October 13, 2018, 10:58:55 AM
I’m a little confused as to how this hasn’t been done already.

Either we’re playing hardball (unlikely) or there’s something in the works we have to deal with first  :shh

Theres the other impending trades that both clubs have which will determine if and how the Stengle deal gets done.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2018, 12:29:26 AM
TYSON STENGLE (Richmond)

No issues with the Tigers small forward getting to the Crows and joining Eddie Betts and new acquisition Shane McAdam.

A late pick will get him over the line.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/we-look-at-the-players-still-to-be-traded-in-the-final-three-days/news-story/c4a44891d3d3be19802a03b4584bdd6c

Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Gracie on October 15, 2018, 09:06:59 AM
Why not try our #17 for their #13?
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Rampsation on October 15, 2018, 09:52:58 AM
That would be a fair deal
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on October 15, 2018, 09:54:23 AM
Come off it guys. Would you downgrade a pick 13 to 17 for a fringe rookie from another club? Get serious.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: dwaino on October 15, 2018, 10:05:05 AM
Turning a rookie selection that has only played a couple senior games into a draft pick is already a win. This guy is so far down our small forward pecking order that only gets tighter with the inclusion of Lynch and I wish him all the best at the Crows.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Rampsation on October 15, 2018, 10:09:31 AM
Come off it guys. Would you downgrade a pick 13 to 17 for a fringe rookie from another club? Get serious.


We can hope. We can be delusional. We can get on the drink and get peeed. What do you care. Just get the medicare machine
ready. We're on our way.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on October 15, 2018, 10:19:13 AM
Come off it guys. Would you downgrade a pick 13 to 17 for a fringe rookie from another club? Get serious.


We can hope. We can be delusional. We can get on the drink and get peeed. What do you care. Just get the medicare machine
ready. We're on our way.
:lol
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Willy on October 15, 2018, 12:07:32 PM
Turning a rookie selection that has only played a couple senior games into a draft pick is already a win. This guy is so far down our small forward pecking order that only gets tighter with the inclusion of Lynch and I wish him all the best at the Crows.

We don't take too kindly to logic-using types around here! You done taken a wrong turn, sir!
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: dwaino on October 15, 2018, 12:33:46 PM
Turning a rookie selection that has only played a couple senior games into a draft pick is already a win. This guy is so far down our small forward pecking order that only gets tighter with the inclusion of Lynch and I wish him all the best at the Crows.

We don't take too kindly to logic-using types around here! You done taken a wrong turn, sir!

I demand 5 top 10 draft picks!  >:(
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Willy on October 15, 2018, 01:04:24 PM
Turning a rookie selection that has only played a couple senior games into a draft pick is already a win. This guy is so far down our small forward pecking order that only gets tighter with the inclusion of Lynch and I wish him all the best at the Crows.

We don't take too kindly to logic-using types around here! You done taken a wrong turn, sir!

I demand 5 top 10 draft picks!  >:(

That’s more like it, partner!
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Gracie on October 15, 2018, 01:28:20 PM
Come off it guys. Would you downgrade a pick 13 to 17 for a fringe rookie from another club? Get serious.

If you look at the points attached to pick #13 and # 17 the difference is 187. This is equivalent to a fourth round pick 56 or 57, which seems to be the mark that is being looked at. Adelaide do not have a 4th round pick.

In addition they currently hold 8, 13, 16 so a move to 8, 16, 17 hardly adversely affects their position
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on October 15, 2018, 04:45:21 PM
Come off it guys. Would you downgrade a pick 13 to 17 for a fringe rookie from another club? Get serious.

If you look at the points attached to pick #13 and # 17 the difference is 187. This is equivalent to a fourth round pick 56 or 57, which seems to be the mark that is being looked at. Adelaide do not have a 4th round pick.

In addition they currently hold 8, 13, 16 so a move to 8, 16, 17 hardly adversely affects their position
Fair points but we are also competing with them and why would they want to help us is the question as we have little bargaining power here.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2018, 06:26:21 PM
(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/e737e08e-799f-4040-9f52-9a6cfe09207b.png)
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 15, 2018, 06:37:59 PM
Come off it guys. Would you downgrade a pick 13 to 17 for a fringe rookie from another club? Get serious.


We can hope. We can be delusional. We can get on the drink and get peeed. What do you care. Just get the medicare machine
ready. We're on our way.
:lol
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: 🏅Dooks on October 15, 2018, 06:45:34 PM
Come off it guys. Would you downgrade a pick 13 to 17 for a fringe rookie from another club? Get serious.


We can hope. We can be delusional. We can get on the drink and get peeed. What do you care. Just get the medicare machine
ready. We're on our way.

POTY   :clapping
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 15, 2018, 06:58:57 PM
Come off it guys. Would you downgrade a pick 13 to 17 for a fringe rookie from another club? Get serious.

If you look at the points attached to pick #13 and # 17 the difference is 187. This is equivalent to a fourth round pick 56 or 57, which seems to be the mark that is being looked at. Adelaide do not have a 4th round pick.

In addition they currently hold 8, 13, 16 so a move to 8, 16, 17 hardly adversely affects their position

Let’s not bring reasoned logic to this topic.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: big tone on October 15, 2018, 07:10:00 PM
I get that he has only played 2 games and was a rookie- but at one stage Eddie Betts had only played 2 games and was a rookie.

You have to pay (draft pick wise) what a player might be worth- not what he is worth today.

Stengle is young and IMO could be anything if given the right opportunity which he obviously didn’t get with us as we won a premiership with 3 more senior guys in front of him. It doesn’t mean he is no good, it just means he was potentially in the wrong place at the wrong time with us.

He will end up playing a lot of footy for Adelaide and I hope he isn’t one of the trades we live to regret.
A third round pick is about right imo. Just remember heaps of kids picked before him will never even be close to playing senior footy.

Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: Chopstix on October 15, 2018, 07:19:37 PM
I get that he has only played 2 games and was a rookie- but at one stage Eddie Betts had only played 2 games and was a rookie.

You have to pay (draft pick wise) what a player might be worth- not what he is worth today.

Stengle is young and IMO could be anything if given the right opportunity which he obviously didn’t get with us as we won a premiership with 3 more senior guys in front of him. It doesn’t mean he is no good, it just means he was potentially in the wrong place at the wrong time with us.

He will end up playing a lot of footy for Adelaide and I hope he isn’t one of the trades we live to regret.
A third round pick is about right imo. Just remember heaps of kids picked before him will never even be close to playing senior footy.

Dont agree with you about him Big Tone but....Adelaide have the upper hand here.

They will get him as a delisted free agent if we dont agree to a cheap trade.
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on October 15, 2018, 07:21:01 PM
Come off it guys. Would you downgrade a pick 13 to 17 for a fringe rookie from another club? Get serious.

If you look at the points attached to pick #13 and # 17 the difference is 187. This is equivalent to a fourth round pick 56 or 57, which seems to be the mark that is being looked at. Adelaide do not have a 4th round pick.

In addition they currently hold 8, 13, 16 so a move to 8, 16, 17 hardly adversely affects their position

Let’s not bring reasoned logic to this topic.
It's poorly placed logic.

Just look at the above AFL trade posts. Adelaide actually want to move UP in the draft order not DOWN.  :rollin
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 16, 2018, 11:19:54 AM
PICK SWAP | Gold Coast has traded pick 68 to Adelaide for its 2019 4th round pick.

https://twitter.com/traderadio

Looks like the Crows just got the pick they are going to give us for Stengle (?).
Title: Re: Crows eye Tiger small forward Tyson Stengle (afl site)
Post by: one-eyed on October 16, 2018, 11:27:16 AM
With the trade period closing at 8pm on Wednesday, Adelaide is still in talks with the Tigers for small forward Stengle, who has played just two AFL games in two years.

The Crows are confident of completing a deal by the trade deadline.

“It’s still a work in progress,’’ list manager Justin Reid told The Advertiser, stressing the club’s desire to find more support - and an eventual replacement - for star veteran small goalsneak Eddie Betts, who turns 32 next month.

“We’re having good dialogue with Richmond and we’ll work through it over the next 48 hours.’’

Woodville-West Torrens product Stengle, 19, wants to return to Adelaide after failing to cement a spot in the strong Tigers line-up, which includes a host of classy small forwards led by Daniel Rioli.

Stengle — related to Betts and retired Sydney great Michael O’Loughlin — has nominated the Crows as his club of choice.

“Young Tyson has probably lacked a bit of opportunity over the last few years given the strength of Richmond’s list and their smalls,” Reid said.

“Tyson adds a bit of speed and goal sense for us and with Eddie getting a little bit older it’s great to have a South Australian who wants to come home.’’

Stengle kicked 33 goals in 19 VFL games this year.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/defender-jake-kelly-will-stay-at-crows-but-talks-continue-to-secure-stengle-from-richmond/news-story/615a83e85b9f86d951cbcc18e293efa6
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: one-eyed on October 16, 2018, 01:05:18 PM
Gone to the Crows for pick 68.
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: one-eyed on October 16, 2018, 01:07:11 PM
Confirmation:

Trade paperwork officially lodged. Richmond has traded Tyson Stengle to the Adelaide Crows for its Rd 4 selection, currently selection number 68 (on traded from the Gold Coast Suns).

https://twitter.com/AFL_House/status/1052017276323475456
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: mightytiges on October 16, 2018, 01:18:11 PM
No surprise. Again shows there's no trade value for uncontracted players this year. Effectively given away.

Draft points wise we've given away all four of Miles, Ellis, Lloyd & Stengle for effectively a third round pick at best.

Miles & Ellis = difference in third round picks next year (at most 263 points if we finish 1st & the Suns last)
Lloyd = pick 64 = 101 points.
Stengle = pick 68 = 59 points.
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Total: 423 points ~= pick 41 (best case scenario).
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: one-eyed on October 16, 2018, 01:21:17 PM
Richmond’s general manager of football Neil Balme thanked Stengle for his time at the Tigers.

"We believe Tyson has an exciting future ahead of him and offered him a new contract to stay at Richmond," Balme said.

"Whilst we are disappointed to see him leave, he has made lifelong friends at Richmond and we understand his decision to return to South Australia."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-16/stengle-tiger-no-more-as-crows-pounce
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Diocletian on October 16, 2018, 01:25:57 PM
No surprise. Again shows there's no trade value for uncontracted players this year. Effectively given away.

Draft points wise we've given away all four of Miles, Ellis, Lloyd & Stengle for effectively a third round pick at best.

Miles & Ellis = difference in third round picks next year (at most 263 points if we finish 1st & the Suns last)
Lloyd = pick 64 = 101 points.
Stengle = pick 68 = 59 points.
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Total: 423 points ~= pick 41 (best case scenario).


Sounds like Lynch really has pushed our cap to the limit and we're either going to be targeting state players or upgrading all our rookies with late picks and probably going with a 38/6 list next year even after that........ :shh
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: sdc01 on October 16, 2018, 01:26:33 PM
what a joke of a trade....the kid is only 19 FFS....a heap of ability, just needed some more time
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Diocletian on October 16, 2018, 01:32:22 PM
Agree but we didn't have much leverage - he wanted out and Adelaide actually could've just taken him for nothing... :shh
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: one-eyed on October 16, 2018, 03:30:00 PM
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Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 16, 2018, 03:31:06 PM
Have you guys seen the other trades that have been made over the past week? There’s been much more talented/proven players than what we’ve lost traded for peanuts.
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Lebowski on October 16, 2018, 03:35:10 PM
Got the smarts, got the talent, just doesnt have the leg speed we need from small fwds. Hes a classic old school, stay at home fwd pocket which we dont play.
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 16, 2018, 03:37:57 PM
what a joke of a trade....the kid is only 19 FFS....a heap of ability, just needed some more time

But he wanted to leave..

Wanted to go home

He was uncontracted...

You take what you can get or get nothing
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: sdc01 on October 16, 2018, 04:09:06 PM
fair enough....
what a joke of a trade....the kid is only 19 FFS....a heap of ability, just needed some more time

But he wanted to leave..

Wanted to go home

He was uncontracted...

You take what you can get or get nothing
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on October 16, 2018, 05:21:22 PM
I’ve got a feeling we will be sorry this bloke got away.
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: eliminator on October 16, 2018, 09:42:40 PM
agree.
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 17, 2018, 07:57:47 AM
I don’t. I’m tipping he will have good and bad games, this forum will go into meltdown when he dobs the odd goal from the deep pockets at Adelaide Oval but he’s a good ordinary player that opposition side will most likely score from as easily as they concede scores to him (which is why he’s going)
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Andyy on October 19, 2018, 09:24:35 AM
Personally I'm really surprised he never got an AFL game at RFC.

I know we have George, Butler, Rioli, Higgins etc...but with Rioli and Butler needing time out, Higgins being moved around etc, and George's form fluctuating I'm really surprised we didn't give him a shot. Baker looks a player to me, and has big kahunas to boot, but I wonder if we should have tried Stengle instead and given Baker another year to mature...
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: taztiger4 on October 19, 2018, 09:41:39 AM
Personally I'm really surprised he never got an AFL game at RFC.

I know we have George, Butler, Rioli, Higgins etc...but with Rioli and Butler needing time out, Higgins being moved around etc, and George's form fluctuating I'm really surprised we didn't give him a shot. Baker looks a player to me, and has big kahunas to boot, but I wonder if we should have tried Stengle instead and given Baker another year to mature...

he played a couple in 2017
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Andyy on October 19, 2018, 09:58:14 AM
Personally I'm really surprised he never got an AFL game at RFC.

I know we have George, Butler, Rioli, Higgins etc...but with Rioli and Butler needing time out, Higgins being moved around etc, and George's form fluctuating I'm really surprised we didn't give him a shot. Baker looks a player to me, and has big kahunas to boot, but I wonder if we should have tried Stengle instead and given Baker another year to mature...

he played a couple in 2017

Oh well, not overly memorable then, and nothing in 2018. Never really got a run at it then if that makes more sense. Would have liked to see him get a good shot this year the way players I hate (Menadue, B Ellis, C Ellis, Conca etc) always seem to...
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on October 19, 2018, 10:29:47 AM
He did kick 2 crucial goals last year v Port in a close game.

He definitely should have been given a few games at least this year.
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Go Richo 12 on October 19, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
He did kick 2 crucial goals last year v Port in a close game.

He definitely should have been given a few games at least this year.
But if the club knew he wanted to leave then why bother? Maybe that is why Baker got a game in front of him.
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 20, 2018, 07:23:45 PM
He did kick 2 crucial goals last year v Port in a close game.

He definitely should have been given a few games at least this year.

Why?
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 20, 2018, 08:43:42 PM
cos he goes alright and was in form in the vfl and he deserved a crack and he is a good bloke and he got on well with bellis and he also knew how to kick the grooviest of grubbers and that stuff...........:shh
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: Slipper on October 20, 2018, 09:07:15 PM
We won the flag, they got Stengle.

I'm comfortable.
Title: Re: Tyson Stengle traded to Adelaide for pick 68 [update]
Post by: one-eyed on March 13, 2021, 03:53:12 AM
Three strikes, you’re out: Crows cut troubled forward

The Crows have said enough is enough for young forward Tyson Stengle after three off-field indiscretions.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/adelaide-set-to-come-to-agreed-resolution-with-troubled-crow-tyson-stengle-before-seasonopener/news-story/8a59ed12ff66b8548969b0d3e9b90179