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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 24, 2018, 08:11:47 PM
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Ben Griffiths, Hammer time no more, Drummond, Cellis
Miles, Lloyd possible trades
Bolton? Soldo? Moore Conca???
Thoughts now the dust is settling?
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Yarran
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Griffiths
Hamspud
Miles
C Ellis
Drummond
Stengle
Chol
My thoughts on who will be delisted or requesting a trade.
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Stengel and Chol will be on our list next season, pretty confident.
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Stengel and Chol will be on our list next season, pretty confident.
Stengle thinking about leaving for the Crows and I've been advised Chols future is not secure ATM.
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Griffiths
Hamspud
Miles
C Ellis
Drummond
Stengle
Chol
Conca
My thoughts on who will be delisted or requesting a trade.
EFA
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My view - remembering we must delist minimum of 3
Hampson (retire)
Griffiths (retire)
Drummond (delist)
Miles (trade)
C Ellis (trade)
Menadue (trade)
Stengle (trade)
Also think with Lynch coming - Moore and Choi lucky to survive (if they do)
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Yarran
He hasn't played 1 bad game for RFC, great return on 600k a year. How many years has he got to go?
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Yarran
He hasn't played 1 bad game for RFC, great return on 600k a year. How many years has he got to go?
You’re right, he can hold his head up high.
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Trade all of the following:
B Ellis
C Ellis
Conca
And the following decent players/good blokes purely because we're stuffing up their careers since they can't get a game over the likes of garbage like Ellis's/Menadue/Conca
S Lloyd
Miles
I honestly don't even care what we get. 2nd round picks is great, otherwise just take a steak knife or two for things we need - like a better backup ruckman than Soldo FFS.
De-list:
Menadue (pee weak POS, gone backwards)
Dummond (made out of paper, get rid of him this isn't a stuffing charity)
Chol (sorry but he's poo, you just can't teach some people to play this game, they have it or they don't)
Also open-minded about 1-2 of the following being traded:
Bolton
Stengle
Castagna
Butler
And I am open-minded about trading:
Broad (purely because I think Garthwaite has more upside)
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Seems everyone's turned on Chol on the back of his poor final which was his first match in a couple of months - was tracking nicely before his injury,... :shh
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What we know so far:
Gone
Griffiths (retired)
Hampson (retired)
Miles (to be traded to the Gold Coast)
C.Ellis (to be traded to the Gold Coast)
Possibly gone
Drummond (likely to be delisted due to injury)
Conca (3 year deal offered by Fremantle)
B.Ellis (rumour: has toured North Melbourne & offered 4-year deal)
Stengle (3 year deal offered by Adelaide)
Linked to other clubs
Lloyd (Dogs interested apparently but word is he wants to stay)
Townsend (Suns rumouredly interested according to the media but I'd doubt we'd want to cut the list too deeply if others above go)
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What's the situation regarding Menadue? At this rate we won't need to delist anyone.... :shh
Need some players left to delist and.some to trade in 2019...Grigg & Houli should go.......wouldn't be surprised if we offer up at least one of our mosquito fleet (who isn't named Rioli) next year too.....:shh :shh
....and the year after we're going to have to match a bid for Junior....and probably Dwyer as well.... EDIT: and Xavier Naish.....:shh :shh :shh
EDIT II : Think Naish might be next year....
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How did Junior go this year?
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What we know so far:
Gone
Griffiths (retired)
Hampson (retired)
Miles (to be traded to the Gold Coast)
C.Ellis (to be traded to the Gold Coast)
Possibly gone
Drummond (likely to be delisted due to injury)
Conca (3 year deal offered by Fremantle)
B.Ellis (rumour: has toured North Melbourne & offered 4-year deal)
Stengle (3 year deal offered by Adelaide)
Linked to other clubs
Lloyd (Dogs interested apparently but word is he wants to stay)
Townsend (Suns rumouredly interested according to the media but I'd doubt we'd want to cut the list too deeply if others above go)
8-10 list changes is alot for a team that finished top
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Forgot to add I wouldn't be surprised if the right offer was made e.g. late 1st rounder or early 2md rounder for BEliis the club would take it ;D
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If North are offering 600k they would have to offer that I would have thought.
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My thoughts
Outs-
Bellis- traded for a second round pick if possible
Conca- traded for anything
Miles- traded for third round pick
Cellis- wants out so trade for a third round pick
Drummond- delisted
Hampson- retired
Griffiths- retired
Players I don’t think will make it and I would think about trading either this year or next if an offer came up
Moore
Bolton
Manadue
So a minimum of 7 out the door with Lynch coming in, leaves 6 spots for kids in a good draft who we will only have to pay minimum wage to for a couple of years.
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Find it pretty crazy that people are wanting to trade Bolton. Loads of talent, whether he makes it or not is yet to be seen but to write him off after his first 2 seasons and less than 10 senior games seems very harsh.
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clearly changes will be made and there is no issue in making changes to continually bring in good players and off load the ones that have been on the list long enough and who have showed nothing,
TRADE- MENADUE, C ELLIS, CONCA,MILES
DELIST- DRUMMOND,MOORE,CHOL,HAMPSON GRIFFITHS (RETIRED)
We bring in lynch and another mid with draft picks we will still be top 4 for the following couple of years we clearly need someone to support Nank in the ruck so hopefully lynch can do some of that work as we all saw friday night grigg got killed
GO U TIGERS
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we clearly need someone to support Nank in the ruck so hopefully lynch can do some of that work as we all saw friday night grigg got killed
GO U TIGERS
Interesting to watch Footy Classified last night about Richmond.
Thought it was reasonable and covered everything we've talked about here. Lynch changes the forward just by arriving, second ruck woes, midfield losses of contested and clearances etc.
Was interesting later on when they were talking about other clubs and they mentioned Preuss going to Melbourne.
Judd and Hutchy were both dismayed "Why would you go to another club to get more games and go to Melboourne where you're behind Gawn". They just shook their heads.
Judd said he could go to Richmond and be "number one" ruck.
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Find it pretty crazy that people are wanting to trade Bolton. Loads of talent, whether he makes it or not is yet to be seen but to write him off after his first 2 seasons and less than 10 senior games seems very harsh.
I think the knock on Bolton is that he is not a team player, doesn't like the role he has been assigned in games, its all me,me,me.
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Find it pretty crazy that people are wanting to trade Bolton. Loads of talent, whether he makes it or not is yet to be seen but to write him off after his first 2 seasons and less than 10 senior games seems very harsh.
I think the knock on Bolton is that he is not a team player, doesn't like the role he has been assigned in games, its all me,me,me.
He’s still 19 years old. At that same age butler hadn’t even debuted and George would have had 2 maybe 3 games under his belt.
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Lloyd staying on with the Tigers in 19. :clapping
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Read that on an Instagram post but haven't seen anything official...
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Would be disappointed if Stengle goes.
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Prepare to be disppointed.... :shh
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Prepare to be disppointed.... :shh
Yes - Stengle will leave whilst Bolton will be staying.
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So were does Stengle fit into this list? I have not seen much of the VFL team this year
Rioli
Butler
Castagna
Stengle
Bolton
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So were does Stengle fit into this list? I have not seen much of the VFL team this year
Rioli
Butler
Castagna
Stengle
Bolton
+ Rioli Jnr
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So were does Stengle fit into this list? I have not seen much of the VFL team this year
Rioli
Butler
Castagna
Stengle
Bolton
+ Rioli Jnr
:shh
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Prepare to be disppointed.... :shh
Should have played at least a game in the seniors this years. Showed good form throughout year and was not rewarded.
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would rather get rid of the Chestnut out of that lot.
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Find it pretty crazy that people are wanting to trade Bolton. Loads of talent, whether he makes it or not is yet to be seen but to write him off after his first 2 seasons and less than 10 senior games seems very harsh.
Whose spot would you give to him and why?
He might one day be a poor mans Shane Edwards but atm he’s a long, long way off that standard
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Better than George IMHO
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Find it pretty crazy that people are wanting to trade Bolton. Loads of talent, whether he makes it or not is yet to be seen but to write him off after his first 2 seasons and less than 10 senior games seems very harsh.
Whose spot would you give to him and why?
He might one day be a poor mans Shane Edwards but atm he’s a long, long way off that standard
He doesn’t have to take anyone’s spot he’s already got his spot on the list. I’m not saying he needs to be best 22, I also found him underwhelming when he played this year which I have also found Rioli/George/butler at times but what keeps them in the side is their tackling and fwd line pressure off the ball which is something Bolton has to work on.
What I’m saying is why are people so keen to trade him after only 2 seasons and less than 10 games when we can all see how talented he is? Sign him up for a couple more years and see how he develops then make another call after that. Isn’t the only player to struggle for game time at the beginning of his career especially considering his size and weight in a team that just won the premiership.
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Find it pretty crazy that people are wanting to trade Bolton. Loads of talent, whether he makes it or not is yet to be seen but to write him off after his first 2 seasons and less than 10 senior games seems very harsh.
Whose spot would you give to him and why?
He might one day be a poor mans Shane Edwards but atm he’s a long, long way off that standard
He doesn’t have to take anyone’s spot he’s already got his spot on the list. I’m not saying he needs to be best 22, I also found him underwhelming when he played this year which I have also found Rioli/George/butler at times but what keeps them in the side is their tackling and fwd line pressure off the ball which is something Bolton has to work on.
What I’m saying is why are people so keen to trade him after only 2 seasons and less than 10 games when we can all see how talented he is? Sign him up for a couple more years and see how he develops then make another call after that. Isn’t the only player to struggle for game time at the beginning of his career especially considering his size and weight in a team that just won the premiership.
At some point, he needs to be a part of the 18. My question is whose spot that would be - doesn’t have to be round 1 but there’s no point defending him. If you can’t articulate where he’s playing then your argument isn’t very strong....
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Seen enough of Shai
Don’t want to see anymore
Don’t think the kid actually gets the concept of team sport
No doubt has the ability to win the ball but his finishing off is questionable
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I’m all for unloading Conca but we have zero midfield depth as it is. I’m skeptical the Crouch thing has anything in it at all but I hope we’ve got a plan for bolstering our midfield.
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I hoping the Crouch thing has nothing in it - spends more time in rehab than Prestia. :shh
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Seen enough of Shai
Don’t want to see anymore
Don’t think the kid actually gets the concept of team sport
No doubt has the ability to win the ball but his finishing off is questionable
Come off it. The guy was the youngest on the list till this year's intake. The fact he can win the ball is important. He has played about 10 games and you've seen enough? One thing he isn't is a small forward. Put him on a wing and let him run through the centre just as he did as a junior and in his best games in the VFL and you'll see a vastly different player. To do that at AFL level he needs to build his tank and be a Brad Hill type. On that point he has a long way to go, but in terms of talent he has more than many of the plodders on our list.
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its amazing that after a prelim loss you look at our mids and think gee it is pretty light on.
I think we are only one short and that mid must have speed. Outside of dusty who has speed? Cotch/prestia/lambo negative.
Lose dusty to an injury in 2019 and its see you later finals.
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Seen enough of Shai
Don’t want to see anymore
Don’t think the kid actually gets the concept of team sport
No doubt has the ability to win the ball but his finishing off is questionable
Come off it. The guy was the youngest on the list till this year's intake. The fact he can win the ball is important. He has played about 10 games and you've seen enough? One thing he isn't is a small forward. Put him on a wing and let him run through the centre just as he did as a junior and in his best games in the VFL and you'll see a vastly different player. To do that at AFL level he needs to build his tank and be a Brad Hill type. On that point he has a long way to go, but in terms of talent he has more than many of the plodders on our list.
You have obviously never been part of an eagle eye recruiting expert team
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its amazing that after a prelim loss you look at our mids and think gee it is pretty light on.
I think we are only one short and that mid must have speed. Outside of dusty who has speed? Cotch/prestia/lambo negative.
Lose dusty to an injury in 2019 and its see you later finals.
We're at least three short IMO....Cotchin, Martin & Prestia are our A-Graders and Prestia can't be relied upon to play a full season....the rest are either kids, c-graders or duds and half of them won't be here next year.... :shh
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Seen enough of Shai
Don’t want to see anymore
Don’t think the kid actually gets the concept of team sport
No doubt has the ability to win the ball but his finishing off is questionable
Come off it. The guy was the youngest on the list till this year's intake. The fact he can win the ball is important. He has played about 10 games and you've seen enough? One thing he isn't is a small forward. Put him on a wing and let him run through the centre just as he did as a junior and in his best games in the VFL and you'll see a vastly different player. To do that at AFL level he needs to build his tank and be a Brad Hill type. On that point he has a long way to go, but in terms of talent he has more than many of the plodders on our list.
Yep . Watched training most of year so know what he is capable of and isn’t capable of
If guys like Higgins from day 1 can impact a club . While hold onto others who can not grasp the opportunity
I always reflect back to GWS game and his kick 35m out
Also watched him “ turn his toes up “ when things got too hard at VFL level
No from me
Would suggest Stengle and Baker are better players
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:facepalm
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SNIP
:banghead :banghead
Enough with baiting and petty insults
Stick to the topic and debate that without the personal attacks
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TBH I would also rather keep Stengle ahead of Bolton if it came down to a choice between the two..... :shh
:santa
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Higgins was touted a top 5 pick and slid. He was more ready than Bolton for AFL. If Bolton can have a big preseason then I expect him to improve quite a bit. So what if he missed a goal from 40m out. He won't be the last to do that.
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TBH I would also rather keep Stengle ahead of Bolton if it came down to a choice between the two..... :shh
:santa
Keep them both and trade out George :shh
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:shh
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Seen enough of Shai
Don’t want to see anymore
Don’t think the kid actually gets the concept of team sport
No doubt has the ability to win the ball but his finishing off is questionable
Come off it. The guy was the youngest on the list till this year's intake. The fact he can win the ball is important. He has played about 10 games and you've seen enough? One thing he isn't is a small forward. Put him on a wing and let him run through the centre just as he did as a junior and in his best games in the VFL and you'll see a vastly different player. To do that at AFL level he needs to build his tank and be a Brad Hill type. On that point he has a long way to go, but in terms of talent he has more than many of the plodders on our list.
Brad Hill type??
Brad Hill has elite speed and endurance, Shai has neither of those things. In fact other than taking the occasional screamer, he really doesn’t have much AFL qualities IMO.
The thing I see most from a small sample size is he doesn’t work hard enough. That can obviously change but realistically it shouldn’t have to as he has had 2 years to work that out.
I’d trade him if we could get a pick under 30.
Draft genuine, good sized midfielders, no more Menadue, Bolton, Drummond types.
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You must watch a different game to me. In the VFL, prior to his injury, he was slicing up opposition teams with his pace. In fact, I will go further and say that one of the main reasons the VFL team finished so poorly is that they missed Shai badly. Injuring his knee robbed them of his X factor.
Endurance is his problem not his speed.
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Pretty sure Shai has elite speed.
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You must watch a different game to me. In the VFL, prior to his injury, he was slicing up opposition teams with his pace. In fact, I will go further and say that one of the main reasons the VFL team finished so poorly is that they missed Shai badly. Injuring his knee robbed them of his X factor.
Endurance is his problem not his speed.
Fair points Doc.
But for me his biggest issue is the defensive side to his game. It is basically non existent. And when appears it consists of average 1st efforts with no 2nd, 3rd efforts. That's not acceptable in today's AFL
He certainly isn't the first kid and won't be the last to struggle with the defensive side of the game but in the games I've seen so far he is a very long way off getting this part of the game up to speed and that's a worry
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He’s pace doesn’t stand out when he plays senior football for us
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He’s pace doesn’t stand out when he plays senior football for us
I agree. Players like Higgins are the exception not the rule. Youngsters don't usually walk straight into senior football. He just needs time to adapt to the game at a higher level. Also, he's not a small forward.
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Sha$ is prone to do the Goolagong.
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This pretty much sums up my thoughts....the accompanying video backs it up....
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/29-shai-bolton.1152945/page-87#post-58183946
:shh
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This pretty much sums up my thoughts....the accompanying video backs it up....
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/29-shai-bolton.1152945/page-87#post-58183946
:shh
I don’t think he can play halfback as he is just to light but after watching that vid, I’d definitely give him a go as a wingman. The main thing is he needs to work harder and put on a bit more muscle. Let’s hope the penny has dropped after not getting much of an opportunity this year.
Worth another crack...
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We did this with Corey Ellis too. We play guys out of position when they come into the seniors. Shai needs to play mid/wing but gets placed in a forward pocket every time he is put into the seniors. Corey was played in the guts at VFL level only to be put off a HBF once he got into the seniors. We need to develop guys strengths while at the same time nurturing their weaknesses. The reason why they were drafted is that the recruiters noted their strengths and what those strengths could do to help our senior team.
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Bit hard for anyone to get a crack on the wing when Kane Lambert & Shaun Grigg have never and will never be moved/dropped. BEllis was moved from the wing to HB in the last 2 years, CEllis gets played HB in the ones, Bolton gets thrown into the pocket in the ones, Hampson played as a ruckman when he was actually an outstanding winger etc. Their best bet is getting a bit of wing/hb action off the pine
We'll see how the Grigga & a few certain others are fairing next year and if the coaches still refuse to give others a go...:shh
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Brandon dear, your humour is not that great. Hampson is goneski anyway.
Are you staying or going?
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Expert doc...Told 2 clubs I'm not interested right now, get a cackle out of nuffies thinking I'm a sure thing to never play for the RFC again. Didn't play finals cos Dimma was saving me for the GF. :shh
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It’s just a shame all of these boys couldn’t bring home the vfl premiership before our reserves get a sort of reset.
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Hopefully the additions of Houli, Grigg & Castagna will help our VFL side improve next year.... :shh
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We did this with Corey Ellis too. We play guys out of position when they come into the seniors. Shai needs to play mid/wing but gets placed in a forward pocket every time he is put into the seniors. Corey was played in the guts at VFL level only to be put off a HBF once he got into the seniors. We need to develop guys strengths while at the same time nurturing their weaknesses. The reason why they were drafted is that the recruiters noted their strengths and what those strengths could do to help our senior team.
Agree with Shai on the wing - hopefully he builds his tank and can get some more game time up the ground. I did see him play on the wing at times in the vfl and he looked good. Needs to work on 2 way running though
As for CEllis - the club was worried about Miles lack of speed to spread from the contest, cEllis is even slower hence why he wasnt played there. They tried him elsewhere bc he had better footskills and vision than Miles so hoped he could fit in elsewhere on the periphery. in the end not good enough and wont play much football at GC either
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Club were not only concerned with CEllis's speed but his ability to win contested possession. Hence an enormous amount of work was put into him at the VFL level regarding this.
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What we know so far [updated 2/10/18 ]:
Gone
Griffiths (retired)
Hampson (retired)
Miles (to be traded to the Gold Coast)
C.Ellis (to be traded to the Gold Coast)
Lloyd (to be traded to the Bulldogs)
Possibly gone
Drummond (likely to be delisted due to injury)
Conca (3 year deal offered by Fremantle)
Stengle (3 year deal offered by Adelaide)
Townsend (possibly heading to either Gold Coast or St Kilda)
In the rumour mill
B.Ellis
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That’s a fair bit of turnover, surely a few of those players are retained.
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The only one I'd keep is Stengle (and I'd probably add Menadue to that list in his place) - the rest are all expendable and easily replaced or upgraded on.......... :shh
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Not saying they arnt but 10 or even 11 if you throw in Menadue seems like too much. With lynch coming in we’d still need to draft/trade in 10 players to replace them.
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Not saying they arnt but 10 or even 11 if you throw in Menadue seems like too much. With lynch coming in we’d still need to draft/trade in 10 players to replace them.
I think it will be 7 maybe 8 in total
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Not saying they arnt but 10 or even 11 if you throw in Menadue seems like too much. With lynch coming in we’d still need to draft/trade in 10 players to replace them.
Griffiths
Hampson
Conca
Cellis
Stengle
Miles
Lloyd
Menadue?
Townsend ?
Bellis?
When you line them up like that it’s a fair list, but most aren’t best 22.
Townsend and Stengle are the one ones that we probably need as back up. Bellis isn’t as bad as people make out.
The rest tata
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What we know so far [updated 3/10/18 ]:
Gone
Griffiths (retired)
Hampson (retired)
Miles (to be traded to the Gold Coast)
C.Ellis (to be traded to the Gold Coast)
Lloyd (to be traded to the Bulldogs)
Conca (4 year deal offered by Fremantle)
Stengle (wants to go to Adelaide)
Possibly gone
Drummond (likely to be delisted due to injury)
In the rumour mill
Townsend (his manager denied media rumours)
B.Ellis
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7-8 outs from the senior list would/should be about it.
In:
Lynch (FA)
Traded player (or two) in?
Draftee - 1st round pick
Draftee - 2nd round pick
Draftee - 2nd round pick (from GCS)
Draftee - 3rd round pick (from GCS)
Moore (upgraded to senior list)
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With the removal of the rookie list, does the senior list expand?
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They're not removing the rookie list as there is still a rookie draft scheduled for this year, think the change is that they will no longer will need to be elevated to play in the seniors so they'll all be elligable to play every match but they'll still be "rookies' in terms of all the other rules that apply to rookies.... :shh
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They're not removing the rookie list as there is still a rookie draft scheduled for this year, think the change is that they will no longer will need to be elevated to play in the seniors so they'll all be elligable to play every match but they'll still be "rookies' in terms of all the other rules that apply to rookies.... :shh
Thanks for that Dio.
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Yeah I'm not 100% certain...if anyone knows any different, feel free to correct me....:shh
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......:shh
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could it be that drummond survives given the 7 players that are leaving?
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could it be that drummond survives given the 7 players that are leaving?
Only if we are worried our medical staff will have nothing to do
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:shh
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Who survives the Lynch squeeze?
Alistair Paton
Herald-Sun
4 Oct 2018
RICHMOND will be one of the most active clubs of the trade period, but most of the traffic will be heading out of Punt Rd.
And Tiger fans shouldn't be getting their hopes up about securing a cache of high draft picks in return.
"Tom Lynch, I think, will be the only currently-listed player at another club who is coming in," Herald Sun reporter Michael Warner said on today's episode of Trade TV.
"But look at the list of who's going out – Reece Conca's going to Fremantle on a four-year deal, that's done. They won't get compensation for that because of the Lynch situation, so he goes for free."
Warner said the Tigers could expect picks in the "40s, 50s and 60s" for Corey Ellis and Anthony Miles, who have both been linked to Gold Coast.
"Tyson Stengle, you're talking about pick 50 there, and Sam Lloyd, he's about a fourth-rounder as well. So they're not going to get any high-end draft picks."
Warner said Jacob Townsend was still a chance to stay at Richmond despite reported interest from the Suns and St Kilda, and he expected Brandon Ellis to be at Punt Rd in 2019.
"Dimma loves Brandon Ellis and unless someone comes with a massive offer, I think he stays."
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/super-rankings/trade-daily-live-rolling-trade-news-from-around-australia-for-thursday-october-4-2018/live-coverage/5c583281e3ba38d53b3caa591fbb0929
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Micky Warner, you gonna credit me as your source pal?
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Nick Dal Santo on Richmond trading depth players:
"I wouldn't be overly concerned if you were worried about midfield depth at the Tigers just yet. I think there's enough coming through and who know's where these other guys could end up"
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1048012955386691584
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What we know so far [updated end of Monday, 8/10/18 ]:
Gone
Griffiths (retired)
Hampson (retired)
Conca (free agent to Fremantle)
Miles (traded to the Gold Coast)
C.Ellis (traded to the Gold Coast)
Almost gone
Lloyd (to be traded to the Bulldogs)
Stengle (to be traded to Adelaide)
Possibly gone
Drummond (possibly to be delisted due to injury)
In the trade rumour mill but club is happy to keep
B.Ellis
Townsend
Chol
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RICHMOND
Unsigned: Mabior Chol, Nathan Drummond, Derek Eggmolesse-Smith, Sam Lloyd, Ivan Soldo, Tyson Stengle, Jacob Townsend
The Tigers, who won the free agency race for key forward Tom Lynch, already traded Anthony Miles and Corey Ellis to Gold Coast. They are also set to offload wantaway pair Sam Lloyd (Western Bulldogs) and Tyson Stengle (Adelaide) in the coming days. Townsend's AFL dream likely rests with Richmond after St Kilda denied being interested in the premiership-winning forward, while Soldo should be back as one of few ruckmen on the list.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-10/unsigned-your-clubs-outofcontract-players
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Keep Chol & The Egg man, delist Drummond & Soldo. :shh
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I doubt we will delist many if any. We're just going to trade out 5 retire 2 and maybe Drummond delist. Looks like the easiest year for Dimma ever to have to make cuts.
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Keep Chol & The Egg man, delist Drummond & Soldo. :shh
I'll probably get shouted down for potting a guy who was severely restricted by injury during the entire season but the Eggman looked beyond putrid in the games he was involved in at the end of the year. Couldn't tackle his grandmother and ran to all the wrong places. If he makes it, I'll eat my beanie.
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He looked like a raw kid who'd been in rehab all year and didn't want to get injured again....deserves at least one hopefully uninterrupted season before we make a call - still a virtually free player that doesn't even take up a real list spot.... :shh
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What we know so far [updated 16/10/18 ]:
Gone
Griffiths (retired)
Hampson (retired)
Conca (free agent to Fremantle)
Miles (traded to the Gold Coast)
C.Ellis (traded to the Gold Coast)
Lloyd (traded to the Bulldogs)
Stengle (traded to Adelaide)
Out of contract
Drummond (possibly to be delisted due to injury)
Soldo
Townsend (Club is happy to keep)
In the trade rumour mill but club is happy to keep
B.Ellis
Chol
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Surely some fool club will take BEllis offf our hands for a decent pick....hell if we're to believe AT we should be fighting them off..... :shh
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(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/207c1c5c-3cdc-492b-b6b4-6b7bae5092be.png)
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Keep Chol & The Egg man, delist Drummond & Soldo. :shh
I'll probably get shouted down for potting a guy who was severely restricted by injury during the entire season but the Eggman looked beyond putrid in the games he was involved in at the end of the year. Couldn't tackle his grandmother and ran to all the wrong places. If he makes it, I'll eat my beanie.
agree, he's way off
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Surely some fool club will take BEllis offf our hands for a decent pick....hell if we're to believe AT we should be fighting them off..... :shh
Sadly no-one's knocking the door down :rollin
Wish they were but it appears there's no one.... maybe clubs aren't as silly as we think they are :snidegrin
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Can't trade someone not interested in leaving anyway...:shh 2 clubs enquired about him to his manager and were told no. Dimma wouldn't let him go cheaply anyway
The BEllis is here for 2019. Buckle up boys because I reckon the Brownlow is within reach
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What we know so far:
Gone
Griffiths (retired)
Hampson (retired)
Conca (free agent to Fremantle)
Miles (traded to the Gold Coast)
C.Ellis (traded to the Gold Coast)
Lloyd (traded to the Bulldogs)
Stengle (traded to Adelaide)
So that's 6 senior spots and one rookie out.
Lynch coming in plus Moore being elevated means we currently have 4 less senior spots than what we did. So it looks like we'll use 4 National draft picks and pick up a couple of rookies.
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Soldo and Chol
Anyone got any idea what happens here ?
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One would have to go?
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One would have to go?
How I read it is
*Soldo would need to be offered a contract
* Chol. . Still a rookie .cant be re rookied. So needs a contract
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id be saying see yah to drummond and chol I reckon ivan will be offered a 1 year deal I reckon
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id be saying see yah to drummond and chol I reckon ivan will be offered a 1 year deal I reckon
Funny, but I'd like to keep Chol. He was a long term project by the club and it would seem strange to delist him half way through that project. His leap and athleticism keep making him a worthwhile work in progress IMHO.
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id be saying see yah to drummond and chol I reckon ivan will be offered a 1 year deal I reckon
Funny, but I'd like to keep Chol. He was a long term project by the club and it would seem strange to delist him half way through that project. His leap and athleticism keep making him a worthwhile work in progress IMHO.
Would keep Chol over lumbering lump Soldo every day of the week....has way more upside.... :shh
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... :shh :shh
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Chol has been a rookie for past 3 years
I don’t think he can be rookied any longer ?
If stays . Needs to be added to senior list
Hasn’t played since 2016
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Reckon we'll be upgrading all our rookies this year....which is really only Baker & Chol now.... :shh
EDIT: Not counting Egg-Smith who is a Category B rookie
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I’d be getting rid of Soldo and upgrading him with Zac Clark.
I would also get rid of Drummond and replace him with Mitch Grigg.
Already our list is better.
Keep Chol on a one year contract like we have done with Moore and Menadue.
With hopefully Grigg, Houli and Bellis being depth next year we can get some young guys to step up.
Markov, Bolta and Bolton are my big hopefuls to improve and push those deadwood out.
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Reckon we'll be upgrading all our rookies this year....which is really only Baker & Chol now.... :shh
EDIT: Not counting Egg-Smith who is a Category B rookie
Baker already has
Got an extra year
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Reckon we'll be upgrading all our rookies this year....which is really only Baker & Chol now.... :shh
EDIT: Not counting Egg-Smith who is a Category B rookie
Baker already has
Got an extra year
when was that ?
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Reckon we'll be upgrading all our rookies this year....which is really only Baker & Chol now.... :shh
EDIT: Not counting Egg-Smith who is a Category B rookie
Baker already has
Got an extra year
when was that ?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-17/rookie-set-to-pen-new-deal-at-tigerland
dont know if it was ever officially announced by the club though
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Soldo and Chol
Anyone got any idea what happens here ?
I just don’t think we can afford to have both these blokes developing on our list now. Would rather one go and we chase an established ruckman but that horse has bolted this year.
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Soldo and Chol
Anyone got any idea what happens here ?
I just don’t think we can afford to have both these blokes developing on our list now. Would rather one go and we chase an established ruckman but that horse has bolted this year.
Would rather both of them than Buckets Clarke.
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Would rather an actual bucket than Clarke.... :shh
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Would rather a bucket with a hole in it rather than Clarke
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Would rather a bucket with a hole in it rather than Clarke
Dear Liza, dear Liza
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UPDATE: Your club's out-of-contract players
Marc McGowan
afl.com.au
Oct 19, 2018 2:28PM
RICHMOND
Unsigned: Mabior Chol, Nathan Drummond, Derek Eggmolesse-Smith, Jacob Townsend
The Tigers lost or cleared out fringe talents Reece Conca (Fremantle), Sam Lloyd (Western Bulldogs), Anthony Miles and Corey Ellis (both Gold Coast) and Tyson Stengle (Adelaide) in the exchange period.
That leaves them with four more decisions to make, including premiership player Townsend's future.
Chol has served a maximum three years on the rookie list, so needs to be upgraded or delisted and re-rookied.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-10/unsigned-your-clubs-outofcontract-players
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Soldo and Chol
Anyone got any idea what happens here ?
I just don’t think we can afford to have both these blokes developing on our list now. Would rather one go and we chase an established ruckman but that horse has bolted this year.
Would rather both of them than Buckets Clarke.
Zac’s worth another crack. Body is healthy again
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clarke has shown something before. First few years if i can recall.
Soldo Hampson have never shown anything
They may be all the same, but i would give clarke a crack for sure
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Zac Clarke's shown even less than Hamspud who at least kicked 4 goals against us once,,,,,stuff me drunk we finally just got rid of King of Spuds and now people want to replsace him with his heir apparent....:facepalm
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Zac Clarke's shown even less than Hamspud who at least kicked 4 goals against us once,,,,,stuff me drunk we finally just got rid of King of Spuds and now people want to replsace him with his heir apparent....:facepalm
Soldo makes Clarke look like Max Gawn.
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Zac Clarke's shown even less than Hamspud who at least kicked 4 goals against us once,,,,,stuff me drunk we finally just got rid of King of Spuds and now people want to replsace him with his heir apparent....:facepalm
Zac Clarke was by far the best ruckman in the WAFL all year, absolutely dominated.
Maybe the WAFL is his level or just maybe a year off an AFL list has put a rocket up him :shh
Either way he’d be a huge upgrade on Soldo as a back up.
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Zac Clarke was by far the best ruckman in the WAFL all year, absolutely dominated.
Maybe the WAFL is his level or just maybe a year off an AFL list has put a rocket up him :shh
The WAFL is his level. I don't see him cutting the mustard at AFL level. He is a reasonable ruckman for sure, but has little else in his repertoire. Monsters the WAFL because of his size, where a lot of the other ruckmen give him 5-10cm and 10-15kgs. Not capable of playing forward, and doesn't offer much around the ground.
Not a competitor like Nank either.
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Zac Clarke's shown even less than Hamspud who at least kicked 4 goals against us once,,,,,stuff me drunk we finally just got rid of King of Spuds and now people want to replsace him with his heir apparent....:facepalm
I get the angst now. I was mixing him up with the Geelong Zac who I thought we were talking about
and who had shown a fair bit
Now I recall the unco freo Clarke. Pass
Surely there’s a local tall option. Ffs If a yank can pick up the role in a year surely we can find someone somewhere
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Smith has the ability , but lacks motivation, must run and tackle if you want to make it in today's game
Might be better to develop what we have
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Smith has the ability , but lacks motivation, must run and tackle if you want to make it in today's game
Might be better to develop what we have
Zac Smith is a dud. Zac Clarke has raw but unfulfilled talent due to poor development
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If Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls was 6 '8 he'd be Zac Clarke... :shh
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Towner re-signed. :gotigers
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Why would we want Clarke anyway? he'll be 29 by March next year and what's said here he isn't a star (far from it) I think I'd rather give games to our younger developing rucks
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Why would we want Clarke anyway? he'll be 29 by March next year and what's said here he isn't a star (far from it) I think I'd rather give games to our younger developing rucks
we need a whipping boy.... :shh
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No we don't, we still have BEllis..... :shh
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....Okay, we need more whipping boys....:shh :shh
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Freo just delisted Bellis' best mate Tom Sheridan...... :shh :shh :shh
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Get him.. :shh :shh :shh :shh
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Clarke, Freeman, Sheridan, both Goddards....load up.... :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
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Smith has the ability , but lacks motivation, must run and tackle if you want to make it in today's game
Might be better to develop what we have
Zac Smith is a dud. Zac Clarke has raw but unfulfilled talent due to poor development
He'll be 29 by round one next year...,,if a bloke is still a "raw but unfulfilled talent" on the cusp of 30 , I'd suggest odds are that they're simply just crap and there never was much talent to be fulfilled.... :shh
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Hearing Chol will be delisted and re-rookied if no-one else takes him.... :shh
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Unless any team is looking at rounding out their political correctness quota then he wont be going anywhere
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He's from QLD so Brisbane or GC might be tempted.....they mainly want blokes who won't leave... :shh
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The Age reckons Chol will get chopped and re rookied
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Is there an echo in here? :lol
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Anyone hearing Chol will get chopped?
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yes, and likely re-rookied....:shh
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yes, and likely re-rookied....:shh
has he been re-rookied?
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:shh
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The Age reckons Chol will get chopped and re rookied
That sounds pretty painful!
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I actually heard Chop was getting Cholled and recookied but what the stuff would I know my hearing is going
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I actually heard Chop was getting Cholled and recookied but what the stuff would I know my hearing is going
i heard Chookie was getting Re-Rolled and Choaded.
Obviously the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
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I heard Cho Cho is a no go,
and the truth takes it up the middle.
Probably Chinese whispers.
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Ok heres the latest.
Apparently someone Chinese is getting their whiskers chopped, way down in Kokomo.
Do we have any site members who are professional barbers or hairdressers who can shed some light?
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Would Lim Jong be considered a big fish?
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Would Lim Jong be considered a big fish?
Sushi?
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d-day tomorrow.... :shh
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just stuffing whoa man...like, whoa............:shh
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Whats the big hold up Richmond. Just announce what you are doing. This is not reality TV show with ads......
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:shh
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Liba still not resigned....
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Liba still not resigned....
No, re-signs today (was always going too)
Heard it on SEN driving home and it's also on the AFL website and twitter
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Liba still not resigned....
No, re-signs today (was always going too)
Heard it on SEN driving home and it's also on the AFL website and twitter
Yup my mistake. Scrolled right past it on the way to reading he was still unsigned.
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What we know so far [updated 31/10/18 ]:
Gone
Griffiths (retired)
Hampson (retired)
Conca (free agent to Fremantle)
Miles (traded to the Gold Coast)
C.Ellis (traded to the Gold Coast)
Lloyd (traded to the Bulldogs)
Stengle (traded to Adelaide)
Drummond (delisted)
Gone but may come back as rookies?
Townsend (delisted but Club has said will pick him up as a rookie if another club doesn't grab him)
Chol (delisted but Club has said it is weighing up its options with Mabior)
Out of contract
Soldo
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So that mean Ivan "I can't jump puddles" Soldo could still be gone? :pray
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I actually thought Soldo got a 2 year deal when he got upgraded?
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Im sure Soldo is contracted. Not surprised with Chol as the news I got was the club is concerned how often he drifts in and out of games... mostly out. He might get selected as a rookie if we don't have any other options.
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Im sure Soldo is contracted. Not surprised with Chol as the news I got was the club is concerned how often he drifts in and out of games... mostly out. He might get selected as a rookie if we don't have any other options.
..and yet he was being seriously considered for senior selection before he got injured..... :shh
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Im sure Soldo is contracted. Not surprised with Chol as the news I got was the club is concerned how often he drifts in and out of games... mostly out. He might get selected as a rookie if we don't have any other options.
..and yet he was being seriously considered for senior selection before he got injured..... :shh
And your point being?
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Don’t get your backing of Chol Dio I mean granted he’s still young but vickery and Griffiths were both clearly better players and everyone was glad to see the back of them.
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Im sure Soldo is contracted. Not surprised with Chol as the news I got was the club is concerned how often he drifts in and out of games... mostly out. He might get selected as a rookie if we don't have any other options.
..and yet he was being seriously considered for senior selection before he got injured..... :shh
And your point being?
That it's odd that after a two month injury and just one game back he's suddenly gone from being deemed worthy of consideration for a senior call up to having serious delist-worthy flaws.... :shh
Don’t get your backing of Chol Dio I mean granted he’s still young but vickery and Griffiths were both clearly better players and everyone was glad to see the back of them.
Vickery & Griffiths were high picks who were both on our list for eight years, Chol's a project player who's been here three years....the more relevent comparison is to Soldo who I think he has a far higher ceiling than....and don't forget he only started played footy in his teens, in a non-AFL state, so he's coming from as nearly far back as Soldo...now I'm not saying he will eventually make it but to me he's the type of ruck we need and the type that is the future...mobile, athletic, spring-heeled ....and to be honest I think he has the tools to and I've seen glimpses to suggest that while he may have not have as much natural footy talent, he certainly eventually could at least ruck at a higher standard than anything we ever saw from Vickery & Griffiths at AFL level (FWIW I think Vickery was developed poorly as a ruck and Griffiths just wasn't a natural one and lacked the aggression) though that wouldn't be too hard...I also think we're far better equipped to get the best out of egnimatic/laconic KPPs now than we were when Vickery & Griffiths were still on the list..... :shh :shh
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Agree on Chol. Worth persisting with I reckon.
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So has Chol been chopped or cholled?
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Agree on Chol. Worth persisting with I reckon.
Still an option the club will look at as a rookie.
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Chol has so many amazing athletic gifts for a tall bloke, I reckon if he can just get it all organised in his head he could be amazing. The injuries must of been too much though. Ah well, another wasted tall for us.
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So has Chol been chopped or cholled?
People on the forum are chrolling mabior