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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Rampsation on October 17, 2018, 08:33:03 PM
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Well that's it gents. All over. How did we rate this trade period. for me 7/10 coz we got lynch.
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We got our big fish (the biggest of them all) and still have 2 picks before Hawks and Collingwood have their first. Good effort, we just need some midfield depth.
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Matty Lloyd had us as one of the three winners of the trade period along with Freo and his Bombers.
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His losers were Sydney, Bulldogs and of course Gold Coast.
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Well that's it gents. All over. How did we rate this trade period. for me 7/10 coz we got lynch.
Yep, 7 out of 10 is what I would go with also. Didn't/Couldn't do anything IN wise in the trade period but beating Collingwood and Hawthorn to gain Lynch as a free agent was a great get. In hindsight, we probably should have moved on a couple of Conca, Lloyd, Miles, C.Ellis or Stengle this time last year after winning the flag when they may have had greater trade value (eg: future 2018 2nd/3rd round picks which we could use now). Having said that, would we have still finished top with less depth which appealed to Lynch who wanted to move to a club in a(nother) premiership window.
We got our big fish (the biggest of them all) and still have 2 picks before Hawks and Collingwood have their first. Good effort, we just need some midfield depth.
Agree wayne. Mostly mids (especially a few inside hard bodied ballwinners). Add a spare ready-made ruckman and that would be near perfect.
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Trade Period verdict: How did your club fare?
Nick Bowen
afl.com.au
18 Oct 2018
RICHMOND
In: Tom Lynch, picks 64, 68, 2019 third-round pick
Out: Reece Conca, Corey Ellis, Sam Lloyd, Anthony Miles, Tyson Stengle, 2019 third-round pick
Win: When he's firing, one of the best key forwards in the game
Lose: Depth – injuries weren't a problem in 2018 but they better not be in 2019
2018 draft picks: 17, 37, 64, 68, 74, 92
What couldn't they get done?
After putting all their eggs in the Tom Lynch basket, the Tigers didn't have cap room to chase anyone else. Signing the star spearhead also meant they had to wave goodbye to a raft of depth players – Reece Conca, Sam Lloyd, Tyson Stengle, Anthony Miles and Corey Ellis – which could hurt them next season.
Verdict:
In beating Collingwood and Hawthorn to Tom Lynch's signature, the Tigers picked up this year's best free agent. The 2016 All Australian spearhead has been restricted by injury over the past two seasons but if he can get back to his best, he and Jack Riewoldt will form the most dangerous one-two punch in the competition. Fears Lynch's addition could ruin the small forward-line formula the Tigers have used so effectively over the past two years also appear unfounded given Lynch's ability to roam up the ground if required. It's far more likely he will make Richmond an even more potent and versatile outfit.
Rating: 8.5/10
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-17/trade-period-verdict-how-did-your-club-fare
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Got the bloke we really wanted (targeted)
Got rid of a couple of fringe players
And Clubs can still exchange picks up until mid November
All good :thumbsup
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Couldn't go any less than an 8/10. Still think we landed the biggest fish on the market and payed the least amount for him relative to your Shiels/Hogans/Beams/Neales etc. That's elite, and being overlooked IMO.
If we got another solid B grader in, a Scully or Crouch (Parker ;)) Then would have been a big fat 10.
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Yep all seems good, I gave it a 7, I guess we wanted to get someone for nothing but at the end of the day other clubs were shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.
Collingwood seems to have done well and I can't imagine how they got Beams, their salary cap must be stretched to the last cent with Treloar commanding big $, De Goey, Moore would be wanting an increase etc.
In the main draft, well we don't have a lot of early choices but in the AFL Communist Regime of all clubs needing to be the same who would expect it?
I am sure we are targetting some good ready made talent and a few VFL players will get an opportunity to step up.
Excited about Balta, Baker, Garthwaite, Coleman Jones, Chol, Mrakov, Moore so lets see what pans out.
I think the leadership qualities of Tom Lynch may also be an added surprise for the club. Not only have we drafted a top player but also a top person.
As a matter of interest what happened to our GWS pick for Lids from last year?...
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Reviewing 2018 we won 18 games and were strong in so many areas. Had a shocker in the Pre Lim. Off day or have we been found out?
We have kept all the players who won those 18 games and kept the top 20 from our best and fairest.
We still have the best defence. We have a strong midfield. We now have Lynch who has a strong mark and is mobile. He will compliment Jack. This should increase our scoring potential.
Kept pick 17, which should bring in a good midfielder. Plenty of midfield options around that pick and into the mid 20s. Even at 37 we should get a player.
Looking forward to Graham and Higgins steady improvement as they get more games experience. Interested to see Markov, Bolton and Balta improve.
And we still have depth. Lynch comes into the pre lim 22 pushing one out and then there is Menadue, Ellis and if we select correctly pick 17 draftee.
Overall we have improve our already strong position. Rating 8 out of 10 with potential to increase that to 9 if we draft well.
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We got the biggest fish in the pond. Just need to jag a few role players to help out in the midfield.
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I'm concerned about our midfield. I think we are one or two quality players short.
Collingwood made our mids look second rate in the prelim (just an off day? I'm not so sure) and then they went and added Beams, while we offloaded the bulk of our depth.
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we aimed to get the biggest fish in lynch we got him we got rid off deadwood that have been around for a while and only really play due to injuries not if they perform and are entitled to get games on there ability.
our back 6 is the best in the league rance,ash,grimes,nick,short,bacha... mids we can rotate a number of players - dusty.cotch.lambert.edwards.graham.dion and if ellis gets right can go through thereso that's strong and then the front half bang which will make it happen come on jack and tom massive 2 then caddy.dan x2.george Higgins we are good place at moment.
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I don't think Miles/CEllis/Lloyd are stars by any means but - "deadwood that have been around for a while and only really play due to injuries not if they perform and are entitled to get games on there ability"
....That is ridiculous. Every one of those boys, especially Lloyd & Miles, earned just about every senior game they ever received. Snipper had games where he got 50+ in the 2's FFS.
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Definitely not deadwood. Great clubmen.
One thing though is that we knew their ceiling when it came to abilities. Getting new youth in is exciting as some may have much higher ceilings in the longer term but we lose the experience initially.
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- Miles played 1 game this year and 5 the year before. Did not even get selected against essendon when majority of our midfield (cotch, prestia, lambert) were out. Whether you agree with his limited selections or not, his departure will have little to no impact on our afl team.
- Stengle played 0 games this year and 2 the year before. Had all of castagna, butler, rioli, higgins, bolton and baker ahead of him for a spot as a small fwd. Again, his departure will have little to no impact on our afl team.
The biggest loss will be that of conca, lloyd and Cellis. No matter what we think of their ability, the coaches had conca in our best 22 and lloyd and Cellis as the first 2 options to come in when injuries/form issues hit.
This in my opinion is where we may struggle if we are hit with injuries in the midfield next year as there are no obvious replacements for those 3 in our vfl team. While we have depth (although raw) in the key position areas in Balta, Garthwaite, Coleman Jones, Chol, Miller, Moore and Soldo and also have markov, menadue and Bellis to push for spots on the half back flank and wing, we really dont currently have anyone to cover our inside mids which is where the priority needs to be come draft day.
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Cellis and Lloyd really never played as inside mids in the seniors, so we don't lose anything with them leaving. Miles is the inside mid we had but never got much of a go.
I think getting a few new players in the draft and another mature type won't hurt us as much as many are thinking.
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Lynch makes it a win.
The removal of Miles, C Ellis, Lloyd and Stengle I have no real problems with losing.
As has been said their ceiling is fairly evident.
My problem is that we have a problem or two to solve as evidenced by our loss to the Magpies.
We need a competent second ruck, a couple of big-bodied mids and maybe a bit more height in the backline to cope with the tall forwards like Cox and the resting rucks.
We could have got Roughead which would have covered two of those problems (second ruck, extra big back).
Obviously when the Western Bulldogs said they were interested in LLoyd they would have offered Roughead as a swap.
We decided NOT to engage with that and only got pick 64 instead while Roughead went for pick 75 from Collingwood.
Either we decided he was not good enough, we had it covered or it wasn't a problem. It will be interesting to see if we use one of the young rucks and/or Chol next year.
IMO the chance to pick up Roughead was a perfect fit for us on a two year contract till we see what Soldo, CCJ and Chol can do. The same with Preuss.
The problem of mids is one that we could not solve due to the high costs involved with any of the options, either pick-wise or more often salary.
From reports Scrimshaw and Brodie were on HUGE contracts till 2020 (reported to be $400K). That knocks out those players from our POV. Scrimshaw has played 4 and Brodie 11.
Gaining Lynch will solve a problem we have had for a few years but we have not fixed problems exposed by the finals loss.
A big gamble by the list committee for next year.
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I seriously doubt Scrimshaw was on 400k
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I seriously doubt Scrimshaw was on 400k
Setterfield was.
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I seriously doubt Scrimshaw was on 400k
Setterfield was.
In all seriousness, how in the hell is that possible? A second year player, did he sign a new contract at any point? I can't remember if he did. The AFL should take the keys off the current management up there if that's the case. What an absolutely stinking disgrace.
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I seriously doubt Scrimshaw was on 400k
Setterfield was.
In all seriousness, how in the hell is that possible? A second year player, did he sign a new contract at any point? I can't remember if he did. The AFL should take the keys off the current management up there if that's the case. What an absolutely stinking disgrace.
Easy. Both GWS & GC have been paying their young talent overs so they stay. Been well reported this trade period that GC despite being putrid are close the TPP because they've sign a number of first year and 2nd year players to extensi9ns to hang onto to them
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Fail because we did not get another Ruckman. Unless by miracle we find one in the draft. The rule changes will make a good Ruckman more important then ever.
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I'm concerned about our midfield. I think we are one or two quality players short.
Collingwood made our mids look second rate in the prelim (just an off day? I'm not so sure) and then they went and added Beams, while we offloaded the bulk of our depth.
exactly this. Theres big guys in our midfield on big coin. Matchwinner coin. Prestia Cotchin Martin. i understand Martin was carrying most of the year but at this level its premiership or bust.
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The Herald-Sun have us an "A".
RICHMOND
IN: Picks No.64, 68, Tom Lynch, Gold Coast’s future third-round pick
OUT: Reece Conca, Corey Ellis, Anthony Miles, Sam Lloyd, Tyson Stengle, future third-round pick
DRAFT PICKS: 17, 37, 64, 68, 74, 92
*The Tigers were granted a compensation pick at the end of the second round for losing unrestricted free agent Reece Conca to Fremantle, but that was forfeit when Tom Lynch was signed from the Gold Coast.
MICHAEL WARNER SAYS: The Tigers bagged the biggest elephant on the opening day of action (superstar Gold Coast Suns free agent Tom Lynch) and had zero room left in the cap to make a play for any others. A host of handy fringe players shifted out in search of greater opportunity but the premiership window remains wide open at Punt Rd.
GRADE: A
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/winners-and-loser-every-clubs-trade-period-rated-by-herald-sun-experts/news-story/f0abdac869b5c3db605d8529295a69d3
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A record number of five players departed Richmond during the AFL’s 2018 trade/free agency period.
The previous largest amount of player departures occurred in 1997, when Richmond traded four to rival league clubs – Jamie Tape and Bradley Smith to Collingwood, Chris Bond to Fremantle and Chris Naish to Port Adelaide.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-10-18/tigers-player-parting-record
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How much do our List managers / recruiters / what ever you call them get paid? I am sure I could of given away 5 players for nothing at half the cost.
Yes I know they were only depth players and it seems this year that they were not worth much but we havent addressed our needs and that is what they get paid for.
I am sure I saw a few backup rucks getting traded. Didn't we have any way to address that need?
Yep we got the big fish and I think that is great but it's not fixing the couple of holes we all can see.
No decent second ruck.
No extra big midfielder
Lost the depth that was punching for places weekly and thus putting pressure on the guys playing to perform.
Fail for me.
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You do realise there's still a draft to come and also that players have to be paid within the cap and blokes need to be retained next year as well?
Pick 17 could still get us good a ready to go young mid, we should easily be able to find mature state leaguers who'll replicate CEllis, Miles & Lloyd's VFL numbers..or even DFA's like Barlow or Weller if need be.....just as we shouldn't have much trouble finding a ruckman who's better than Hamspud -who barely played in the last two years anyway-and who is an upgrade on Soldo...if not, well I expect big things from Chol, CCJ w/ useful relief from ther likes of Balta, Moore & Miller.... stop panicking.... :shh
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You do realise there's still a draft to come and also that players have to be paid within the cap and blokes need to be retained next year as well?
Pick 17 could still get us good a ready to go young mid, we should easily be able to find mature state leaguers who'll replicate CEllis, Miles & Lloyd's VFL numbers..or even DFA's like Barlow or Weller if need be.....just as we shouldn't have much trouble finding a ruckman who's better than Hamspud -who barely played in the last two years anyway-and who is an upgrade on Soldo...if not, well I expect big things from Chol, CCJ w/ useful relief from ther likes of Balta, Moore & Miller.... stop panicking.... :shh
Leaving alot to 'hope'. Smart clubs dont do that. They make things happen.
Smart fans know this.
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You do realise there's still a draft to come and also that players have to be paid within the cap and blokes need to be retained next year as well?
Pick 17 could still get us good a ready to go young mid, we should easily be able to find mature state leaguers who'll replicate CEllis, Miles & Lloyd's VFL numbers..or even DFA's like Barlow or Weller if need be.....just as we shouldn't have much trouble finding a ruckman who's better than Hamspud -who barely played in the last two years anyway-and who is an upgrade on Soldo...if not, well I expect big things from Chol, CCJ w/ useful relief from ther likes of Balta, Moore & Miller.... stop panicking.... :shh
Barlow has signed with Werribee
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We couldn't afford anyone else without trading out more players on higher salaries. I would rather keep our core 25 which we have done whilst adding the best tall forward available (a need) then go to the draft and top up the 18 year old's in a strong draft. First 2 picks will be good players and go Zac Clarke with a later pick for ruck back up.
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I'm happy.
Obviously Miles and C Ellis were unofficially part of the Lynch deal, so it's hard to be upset about the picks we got them them. Fact is that if Lynch is on $6.5million for 7 years or so then we're DEFINIELY paying him less than someone else would have, including GCS, so we have unloaded depth players to get the forward we've been wanting for years and the best on the market for years. Big win here.
Stengle to Adel for a late pick...nothing to complain about here. Guy had potential yes, but never played AFL, so we can hardly feel ripped off here.
Lloyd to WB for a late pick...didn't they have something like pick 47? I think we could have asked for a better pick for Lloyd, but largely I think we owed it to him to let him go and play some games elsewhere. He's been a sensational clubman and if you look at any B&F or Charlie footage etc it's clear that the team is extremely fond of him. Probably a big part of the club culture behind the doors. Deserves a shot elsewhere.
So really...can't complain too much. I'm glad to see the back of Conca and C Ellis. Feel good about Miles and Lloyd getting another shot at some games. Feel nothing for Stengle. Just annoyed we couldn't trade out B Ellis and de-list Menadue...
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You do realise there's still a draft to come and also that players have to be paid within the cap and blokes need to be retained next year as well?
Pick 17 could still get us good a ready to go young mid, we should easily be able to find mature state leaguers who'll replicate CEllis, Miles & Lloyd's VFL numbers..or even DFA's like Barlow or Weller if need be.....just as we shouldn't have much trouble finding a ruckman who's better than Hamspud -who barely played in the last two years anyway-and who is an upgrade on Soldo...if not, well I expect big things from Chol, CCJ w/ useful relief from ther likes of Balta, Moore & Miller.... stop panicking.... :shh
Barlow has signed with Werribee
He can still change his mind if an AFL club comes callng - lke thar Downey(?) kid that signed with our VFL side then took up was drafted by Gold Coast a a couple of years back..... :shh
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You do realise there's still a draft to come and also that players have to be paid within the cap and blokes need to be retained next year as well?
Pick 17 could still get us good a ready to go young mid, we should easily be able to find mature state leaguers who'll replicate CEllis, Miles & Lloyd's VFL numbers..or even DFA's like Barlow or Weller if need be.....just as we shouldn't have much trouble finding a ruckman who's better than Hamspud -who barely played in the last two years anyway-and who is an upgrade on Soldo...if not, well I expect big things from Chol, CCJ w/ useful relief from ther likes of Balta, Moore & Miller.... stop panicking.... :shh
Barlow has signed with Werribee
He can still change his mind if an AFL club comes callng - lke thar Downey(?) kid that signed with our VFL side then took up was drafted by Gold Coast a a couple of years back..... :shh
Yep, Tyrone Downie
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
RICHMOND
IF ... you ask us which team won Trade Period ...
THEN ... this one did. By the length of Winx's second Cox Plate victory.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-19/sliding-doors-trade-period-week-two
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Finished early
Tigers' work was done well before the trade period, targeting Tom Lynch and getting their man. The prelim final showed up our lack of talls and Lynch is a gun tall forward. The players going out were not best 22 and the Tigers are developing their youth, so this will create opportunity the way it did for Dan Butler and Jason Castagna in 2017.
- Tony De Glas, Sinnamon Park Qld
Smart and ruthless
Got the best player available and managed to move along players that aren't going to play a role in our next flag, but moved them on to other opportunities. Smart and ruthless at the same time.
- Des Hutchinson, Hamilton Hill WA
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-20/your-2018-trade-verdicts-hawthornwestern-bulldogs
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Finished early
Tigers' work was done well before the trade period, targeting Tom Lynch and getting their man. The prelim final showed up our lack of talls and Lynch is a gun tall forward. The players going out were not best 22 and the Tigers are developing their youth, so this will create opportunity the way it did for Dan Butler and Jason Castagna in 2017.
- Tony De Glas, Sinnamon Park Qld
Smart and ruthless
Got the best player available and managed to move along players that aren't going to play a role in our next flag, but moved them on to other opportunities. Smart and ruthless at the same time.
- Des Hutchinson, Hamilton Hill WA
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-20/your-2018-trade-verdicts-hawthornwestern-bulldogs
Moving along players that are not “best 22” is hardly ruthless.
All those players wanted out due to lack of opportunity. That is not being ruthless, not even close.
Hawthorn on the other hand..... do it every year
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GARY BUCKENARA SAYS: The Tigers weren’t big players but got the biggest name of free agency — Tom Lynch. He and Jack Riewoldt will form a really dangerous partnership that will cause headaches for coaches across the competition. He’s a huge pick-up. Depth players Conca, Miles, Lloyd and Stengle have left but the addition of Lynch far outweighs their loss. Richmond has improved its list.
GRADE: A
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/expert-recruiter-and-list-guru-gary-buckenara-rates-every-clubs-afl-trade-and-free-agency-period/news-story/f6afd1f69194d51d9f88e16cd95f1fd5
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I have now heard that Scully's injury is much worse than described. Probably good that we didn't bite. :shh
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I have now heard that Scully's injury is much worse than described. Probably good that we didn't bite. :shh
details or dont post speculation and innuendo
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I have now heard that Scully's injury is much worse than described. Probably good that we didn't bite. :shh
details or dont post speculation and innuendo
What sort of details do you want? It's not speculation. It's fact. I think it's obvious as a former number one pick and gut running machine went for a packet of chips.... :shh
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I have now heard that Scully's injury is much worse than described. Probably good that we didn't bite. :shh
details or dont post speculation and innuendo
Who died and left you in charge?
:wallywink
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Plough's Trade Grades - Richmond
By SEN
23 Oct 2018
Terry Wallace has run the rule over every club and their dealings during the NAB AFL Trade Period.
AFL Hall of Famer Plough, aka The List Manager, has given a school-style rating to each of the 18 clubs as well as his assessment ahead of the 2019 AFL season.
How did your club perform in October, according to Plough?
Richmond
IN
Tom Lynch
Pick 64
Pick 68
2019 3rd-round pick
OUT
Reece Conca
Corey Ellis
Sam Lloyd
Anthony Miles
Tyson Stengle
2019 3rd-round pick
Plough's Trade Grade
A
Plough's assessment
"Picked up the best player available in this trade and free agency period and only lost fringe players."
Club reaction
"Tom (Lynch) is clearly a talented footballer, but he also has great leadership qualities and a strong work ethic. I, like many of our fans, look forward to seeing Tom in yellow and black." – Neil Balme, GM of Football.
2018 draft picks
17, 37, 64, 68, 74, 92
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/3Qyd6L7XpYyyGCyIIwgYcI/6b2d2b207516ce186928b589396acbb8/Plough_s_Trade_Grades.png)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/10/22/ploughs-trade-grades-richmond/
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I have now heard that Scully's injury is much worse than described. Probably good that we didn't bite. :shh
details or dont post speculation and innuendo
Who died and left you in charge?
:wallywink
:lol
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I felt we should have tried to get a pick in the 40s and drop our 2 picks in the 60s 7/10 for me
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Saving a few moves for draft night.... :shh