One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 22, 2018, 08:46:38 PM
-
Welcome to Tigerland, Riley.
:)
-
Riley Collier-Dawkins (VIC)
Height, Weight: 193cm, 88kg
Summary Profile: First possession winner who gathers the ball on the move and bursts out of stoppages. Possesses rare speed, agility, skills and clean hands for someone his height.
http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/25341581/afl-draft-chris-doerre-knightmare-final-full-phantom-draft
An inside midfielder virtually as tall as Jack Riewoldt :o.
-
I'm excited about this pick. Great young guy with huge upside.
-
Unbelievable that he slid to us!
-
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/f0be8efca8fa50d864e30dc65fd79527?width=320)
(https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/Samples/639604-tlslargelandscape.jpg)
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/riley-collierdawkins-of-oakleigh-runs-during-the-tac-cup-elimination-picture-id1029525622)
-
VIDEOS:
'The brute': Get to know Riley Collier-Dawkins | Tomorrow's Heroes ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0oo5Wl8iI0
2018 AFL Draft Prospects: Riley Collier-Dawkins | Zero Hanger
https://www.zerohanger.com/2018-afl-draft-prospects-riley-collier-dawkins-24464/
The story behind draft hopeful Riley Collier-Dawkins - AFL Players
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/draft-hopeful-riley-collier-dawkins-and-the-two-women-who-shaped-him/
-
Unbelievable that he slid to us!
The power of prayer ..... :shh
-
How thus game has changed in my lifetime. I am 193cm and was a ruckman. Now the midfielders are that. Amazing change.
-
Lol. Matt Clarke's laser pointer was always hovering around Collier-Dawkins the other night.... :shh
-
Lol. Matt Clarke's laser pointer was always hovering around Collier-Dawkins the other night.... :shh
You were 100% spot on with your info Doc. Well done. And hopefully the hyphen can become a big game player
for the tigers.
-
Unbelievable that he slid to us!
Can't believe he did...very happy with this selection :clapping
-
Matt Clarke on SEN said Dimma doesn't put a ceiling on our first year draftees. If they are good enough to play then they'll play. We are going to work on RCD's running but that shouldn't take long.
So expect him to play next year :thumbsup.
Clarke also said we were pleased he was still around as other clubs before us were interested. Although that's the standard recruiter's response.
-
Richmond has used its first selection (No. 20 overall) in the 2018 national draft to recruit Oakleigh Chargers inside midfielder Riley Collier-Dawkins.
Here is a summary of what Richmond fans can expect to see from Collier-Dawkins on-field...
Club: Oakleigh Chargers
State: Victoria
Height: 190cm
Weight: 91kg
A late developer, who has grown rapidly over the past 12 months. Is now a big, powerful, inside midfielder. Had a consistent 2018 season with the Oakleigh Chargers, averaging 18 possessions per match, with 50 percent of them from contested situations. Performed extremely well in the TAC Cup finals series, helping Oakleigh make the grand final. His power and clearance work stood out in those highly-contested games.
A contested-ball specialist, who hunts the ball well at stoppages. Once he takes possession, he uses his size and strength to release the ball, or power out with speed. Has penetration in his kicking and good marking ability.
Riley will be a wonderful addition to our midfield mix. He brings a unique skill-set with his size and power, and we believe there is a huge amount of improvement remaining in his game.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-11-22/2018-draft-first-round-pick
-
Growth spurt propels Charger up AFL draft
By Jason Phelan
The Age
20 November 2018 — 3:54pm
The draft stocks of Oakleigh Chargers midfielder Riley Collier-Dawkins have shot up along with his height over the past 12 months.
The on-baller has grown eight centimetres to 192cm and has drawn comparisons to midfield tall timber such as Patrick Cripps and Marcus Bontempelli.
The growth spurt has given him the size to play a key role up forward and has elevated him into first-round deliberations.
"I have grown a fair bit and I've had to make adaptations in my game," Collier- Dawkins said.
"I've gone from that medium-type mid to a tall midfielder, almost key position size, so there have been a few things to learn there.
"I do see myself as my own player but I do look at other [similarly-sized] players and what they're good at.
"Like [Nat] Fyfe's really good in the air and [Cripps] is really clean and [Bontempelli's] disposal and versatility is something that I try to mirror in my game."
Such an intense period of growth has presented challenges as a player and in every day life for Collier-Dawkins, who joked he's had to refresh his wardrobe a few times.
What it also does is increase his upside in the eyes of AFL clubs hoping to snag the next Fyfe, Cripps or Bontempelli.
"Those boys [who have a late growth spurt] can end up great below their knees because they've spent most of their career picking the ball up at ground level," AFL talent chief Kevin Sheehan said.
"So I think it adds to their skill set ... it's a massive plus.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/growth-spurt-propels-charger-up-afl-draft-20181120-p50h7e.html
-
193 cm midfielder yes please :rollin
-
Riley Collier-Dawkins wants to ‘repay the faith’ to whatever club drafts him
November 20, 2018
Matt Balmer
FOX SPORTS
Riley Collier-Dawkins says he is willing to “repay the faith” in the club that drafts him in Thursday’s national draft, regardless of what state the team is from.
With only five selections in the first round being from Victorian clubs, the odds are in favour for the Oakleigh Chargers prospect to move interstate.
But the 18-year-old isn’t fussed about having to potentially pack his bags and hop on a plane to join an AFL club.
“I’ve prepared for it the best as I can (moving interstate),” Collier-Dawkins told reporters on Tuesday.
“I’m well aware there’s good chance I’m going to go interstate, I’m just looking forward to wherever I go and attack it like a bull at a gate.”
With clubs such as GWS, Geelong and Adelaide considering the 191cm midfielder, Collier-Dawkins is none the wiser as to who will call out his name.
“No I don’t (know who will draft me),”
“I’m just going to find out like everyone else and I’m just going to be stoked wherever I go.
“I don’t get much choice, but anyone who puts the faith in me, I’m going to repay the faith to them.”
The ‘go home factor’ is one of the AFL’s new buzzwords since the introduction of the two expansion clubs in Gold Coast and Western Sydney, with star players such as Jake Lever and Tom Lynch returning to familiar surroundings in Victoria.
But Collier-Dawkins explained he had known from a young age that it was a distinct possibility he could be leaving Victoria. in order to get a chance at playing an AFL game.
“I guess the go home factor is for some people,” he said.
“I sort of see myself as I’ve wanted to do this all my life. If I’ve got to move interstate you know to fulfil my dream then that’s what I’ve got to do.
“They (the club) are putting all this faith into me and putting a lot of resources into drafting me, so I want to repay that faith in me out on the field for them.
The 191cm midfielder told foxfooty.com.au at October’s draft combine of his rapid growth spurt, having been about 178cm as an Under 16 — and declared he was still growing due to continuing growing pains leading to some “bad pain and sore knees.”
With just two days until his name is called out by an AFL club, Collier-Dawkins has completed all his last minute meetings with clubs and will spend some much needed time on the couch, resting ahead of what will be one of the biggest days of his life.
“I probably won’t sleep (on Wednesday night), probably toss and turn in bed. (I) just can’t wait to get there, but I’ll try and get some sleep.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2018-riley-collierdawkins-wants-to-repay-the-faith-to-whatever-club-drafts-him/news-story/34be016fbe15d5f020bd5d83d01a8dd2
-
Here's RCD already in a Tiger guernsey :thumbsup:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsmcL6gU8AA-LJp.jpg)
Receiving his guernsey from Balmey:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsmS24gU0AA3xrl.jpg)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC
-
VIDEOS from the draft night:
A message for the Tiger Army
Video: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1065551310827601920
Congrats from Dimma
Video: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1065556144263843840
Welcome to our Yellow and Black family:
Video: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1065567094954057728
-
(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/65b324aa-722c-4886-a55e-335b94f32601.png)
-
LMAO Thats the Kid I walked past doing an interview at the Tan on Tuesday, I was like wtf is going on here :rollin
-
Didn’t know much at all about anyone this draft. This guy is one of the only ones I knew of and was under the impression he would go before our pick. Once he fills out he sounds exactly like what we need.
-
Does anybody know what school he went to?
:thumbsup
-
Does anybody know what school he went to?
:thumbsup
Salesian
-
A monster mid. Like it a lot.
-
New Tiger makes two mums proud
Sam Landsberger,
Herald Sun
23 Nov 2018
A beaming Damien Hardwick interrupted the interview.
“Bit nervous?” Hardwick asked No.20 draft pick Riley Collier-Dawkins.
“Oh yeah. The heart rate was fluctuating, up and down,” Collier-Dawkins replied.
“Ours was a bit the same,” Hardwick said with a smile.
“Congratulations, mate, well done. Feel free to come (to training) tomorrow, or come Monday.”
And with that Collier-Dawkins was a Tiger, hands placed on hips of a Richmond jumper and a smile stretching the cheeks of his face.
Metres away stood Collier-Dawkins’ two mums, Chris Dawkins and Jacinta Collier.
“It means a lot to them,” Collier-Dawkins said of his female parents.
“This shows you can come from different backgrounds and upbringings and still achieve whatever you want.
“As long as you apply yourself correctly, you can do anything. It’s been the norm for me. I haven’t experienced anything else. It’s just been routine really.”
The Tigers have secured a 191cm midfielder in Collier-Dawkins — “and I think I’ve got a couple of centimetres left in me” — who was not expected to last to their pick.
Like Western Bulldog superstar Marcus Bontempelli and Carlton co-captain Patrick Cripps, there won’t be many midfielders Collier-Dawkins can’t look in the eye.
He averaged 18 disposals in this year’s TAC Cup and 12 disposals for Vic Metro, but half of his touches were contested possessions and clubs love his big frame.
And so Richmond list chief Blair Hartley took a crew of Tigers to Collier-Dawkins’ Chadstone home on Tuesday for a last-minute interview.
It was the final tick in the box, according to recruiting chief Matthew Clarke.
“He’s a big powerful boy, isn’t he?” Clarke said.
“We had some blokes rated around our pick and Riley was a little bit higher than that, so it was good that he got through.”
Collier-Dawkins left that interview thinking his future probably lay elsewhere.
“It was a real casual conversation. They just gave my parents an overview of what happens if they take me and I presumed in my own mind I’d go a bit earlier,” he said.
The Tigers rated Collier-Dawkins higher than No.20 and were strongly linked to Liam Stocker, who was picked up by Carlton the selection earlier after a bold trade with Adelaide.
As for Chris and Jacinta?
“They’re absolutely rapt (I’m staying) at home,” Collier-Dawkins said.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-draftee-riley-collierdawkins-makes-two-mums-proud/news-story/e72a1fca3da412b1a0897d7fbee95560
-
Buckenara:
I had Richmond recruit Riley Collier-Dawkins ranked as the 15th-best player in this draft but he slipped through to selection 20 for the Tigers, who will be thrilled with that pick.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-draft-2018-gary-buckenara-names-his-top-50-draft-prospects/news-story/fed0b035e5482fd13b98537578ea559a
-
Thoughts of BF posters Knightmare & Snoop Dog who have done draft summaries for years.
Knightmare's pre-draft summary of RCD:
9. Riley Collier-Dawkins (VIC)
Best position: Inside midfield
Height, weight: 193cm, 88kg
Recruited from: Oakleigh Chargers
Projected draft range: 9-19
Plays like: Marcus Bontempelli
Rationale: First possession winner at stoppages with a burst of speed and clean skills. Rises on the back of re-evaluation of upside and the sense that once he grows into his body, having grown 7cm over the past 12 months.
October Ranking: 16
Strengths:
Impact per possession
Wins first possession at stoppages on the move
Contested ball winning
Clean at ground level
Distribution by hand
Kicking
Vision
Decision making in traffic
Acceleration
Agility
Evasiveness in traffic
Overhead marking
Contested marking
Capable through midfield or up forward
Upside
Weaknesses:
Production
Consistency
Quiet when not around the ball at stoppages
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2018-afl-draft-almanac.1188131/
----------------------------------------------------------------
Snoop Dog's summary:
# 13
Riley Collier-Dawkins / Oakleigh Chargers / 191cm
So hard to pick where he goes. On talent he is higher than here but he has some question marks around him that I suspect may cause recruiters to question where to place him. Some might go yep we got Cripps wrong and thought he wasn’t a great runner so not making same mistake with Riley. Others might look at consistency. Who knows. What I know is at his best he is a top 10 talent in the pool. His work around stoppages is very good. He is clean, he extracts and he gives to advantage. He can play on the outside and some of his ball use against the best at Champs was very good. Can also play forward so he gives scope.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/snoop-dog-2018-mock-draft.1208884/
-
Really like the way he talks about growing up with two mums. Just seems like a really nice, level-headed kid.
-
I am happy he is weighing in at 88kgs and not some beanpole.
-
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2018/11/22/640011.jpg)
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2018/11/22/640013.jpg)
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2018/11/22/640010.jpg)
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202018%20Media%20-%20NAB%20AFL%20Draft
-
Bring on Fyfe MK II!!!!!!
-
I think he needs to strengthen up so maybe he is 12 months away from playing. Nevertheless he has the physical attributes to become a good player. Needs to work hard in the gym and especially on his running and his endurance. Needs to work really hard this preseason to start getting a good base.
-
So did this young man go to training this morning or did he make the mistake of taking the monday option. Does anyone know?
-
I think he needs to strengthen up so maybe he is 12 months away from playing. Nevertheless he has the physical attributes to become a good player. Needs to work hard in the gym and especially on his running and his endurance. Needs to work really hard this preseason to start getting a good base.
Grew a lot this year apparently. Was under 6 foot at the start of year 12.
-
Collier-Dawkins needs to develop but slid further down the order than many expected.
"He's a big boy. Our coach loves the big, strong powerful midfielders," Clarke said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-23/richmond-draft-news
-
Pleased with this pick we got it right as far as type of mid goes. I have to admit i was hoping for Ely Smith at 20 I just like his power and speed reminds be just a little od Dusty in that regard.
-
My uncle is a teacher at this guy's school. Apparently a top bloke. Lots of upside - tall, quick and strong.
Thought he might be drafted to Tiges and is worried he wont get midfield time due to current stars haha.
-
Pleased with this pick we got it right as far as type of mid goes. I have to admit i was hoping for Ely Smith at 20 I just like his power and speed reminds be just a little od Dusty in that regard.
Ross will ease your pain :whistle
-
Pleased with this pick we got it right as far as type of mid goes. I have to admit i was hoping for Ely Smith at 20 I just like his power and speed reminds be just a little od Dusty in that regard.
Ross will ease your pain :whistle
He actually looks like Dusty too!
-
Richmond’s recruiting manager Matthew Clarke provides a summary of the new players the Tigers picked up in the 2018 AFL national and rookie drafts . . .
Riley Collier-Dawkins, pick 20 overall, national draft
“He’s a big boy, he’s got some good speed, good power, can win his own footy, win clearance, power out. We think he’s got a lot of upside . . . he hasn’t had a lot of time in the pathway. He’s got some work to do with his running, and he knows that. We think he can make significant improvement quickly . . . Really excited to have him. As much as we’ve got some smaller guys that are pretty good players, someone of that size, that can go into the centre bounce and have an effect at clearance, is really important for us. So he adds to a really good mix with Dustin (Martin) and Trent (Cotchin) and ‘Cads’ (Josh Caddy), who’ll probably go through there as well at some point (in season 2019) . . . He’s a bubbly sort of personality, raised in a great family. Fits the mix really well from what character type we look for. So we’re really excited about what he can offer . . . We had a number of boys rating around that pick (No. 20) and Riley rated quite highly. You never want to be one of those guys that says, ‘Oh, gee, I couldn’t believe he was there at our pick’, but we probably had him rated a little bit higher than that. So we’re really excited to get him where we did.”
(https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Richmond/Images/_R164426.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-11-24/draftees-dissection
-
The 1% chance that became Richmond reality for Collier-Dawkins
By SEN
27 Nov 2018
Richmond draftee Riley Collier-Dawkins admits he was not expecting to end up at Richmond.
The Oakleigh Chargers midfielder was snapped up by the Tigers with Pick 20 in the first round of the 2018 NAB AFL Draft on Thursday night.
Tipped by many draft experts to be taken earlier in proceedings, Collier-Dawkins similarly felt Richmond’s first pick may have been too late for him.
“I had a bit of an inkling that I was going to go a bit earlier, but to slide into Richmond is just ideal, it’s perfect,” he said on Roar Vision.
In a bid to ease his mind, Collier-Dawkins wrote down a percentage chance of him ending up at each AFL club with the Tigers coming in at just 1%, further adding to his surprise.
“It was one per cent actually. I tried to do it to ease my mind but I think it did quite the opposite, it made me a bit more paranoid,” he added.
“I didn’t really think it was going to happen but I’m just stoked.”
Collier-Dawkins, who rates his contested ball-winning ability as his greatest attribute, says he is simply looking to earn the respect of his new Tiger teammates now the draft is out of the way.
“(Richmond’s list) is pretty star-studded, I’m pretty keen to learn off them and earn my stripes,” he said.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/11/26/the-1-chance-that-became-richmond-reality-for-collier-dawkins/
-
Does anyone think we would have taken Stocker had he been available over RCD?
-
Does anyone think we would have taken Stocker had he been available over RCD?
Absolutely
-
Does anyone think we would have taken Stocker had he been available over RCD?
Absolutely
Wrong.
Read the article on the AFL website. Not interested. Would have taken Hill
-
Does anyone think we would have taken Stocker had he been available over RCD?
Absolutely
Wrong.
Read the article on the AFL website. Not interested. Would have taken Hill
I've heard both versions, I'm wondering which one is closest to the truth - if anyone in the know does?
Would be super sweet if we weren't even going to take him and then Carlton finish bottom next year, Adelaide top 4.
-
collier dawkins was ranked ahead of stocker by the club.
-
collier dawkins was ranked ahead of stocker by the club.
Excellent :clapping
-
It must have been a close call between RCD and Ely Smith?
-
It must have been a close call between RCD and Ely Smith?
No. Ely was considered as a 30-50 ranked player because of some deficiencies in his game.
-
It must have been a close call between RCD and Ely Smith?
No. Ely was considered as a 30-50 ranked player because of some deficiencies in his game.
correct, we thought he was around the mark at our 2nd pick
-
It must have been a close call between RCD and Ely Smith?
No. Ely was considered as a 30-50 ranked player because of some deficiencies in his game.
Like sooking if he was drafted interstate
-
Their top draftee Riley Collier-Dawkins also impressed in some of the earlier running drills.
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2018/12/03/641500.jpg)
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-12-03/change-is-as-good-as-a-holiday-cotch-on-forward-line)
-
Tigers' top draft pick an instant hit on Gold Coast
Michael Whiting
AFL Media
Jan 24, 2019
It hasn't taken long for Riley Collier-Dawkins to impress his Richmond teammates, with defender Nick Vlastuin heaping praise on the teenage draftee.
As the Tigers near the end of their five-day training camp on the Gold Coast, Vlastuin said the No.20 pick from last year's NAB AFL Draft had turned heads with his training form.
When asked who he expected to make an impact following the departure of Reece Conca and depth players such as Anthony Miles and Corey Ellis, Vlastuin was definitive.
"I've been impressed with Riley Collier-Dawkins and 'Rossy' (No.42 draft pick Jack Ross)," he said.
"We had a little match-sim on Monday and Collier-Dawkins was probably best-on."
(https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Richmond/Images/241rileyl.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-01-24/tigers-top-draft-pick-an-instant-hit-on-gold-coast-camp
-
Is 193cm and still growing. Looking like he might be a special player in couple of years with the injury Gods being kind to him. :pray
-
RCD seems to be receiving universal praise from fans and the media alike after today's intra-club and considered a possible round 1 debutant.
(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/a1089961-38e9-4b93-9d08-677ec59a6d73.png)
-
Would be fantastic if RC-D, Ross and Balta all made their debuts rnd 1.
Way it would go
Ross for Conca
RC-D FOR Grigg
Balta for Lynch
and if Caddy misses Moore for Caddy.
Thats just too much to hope for praying at least one of them gets a gig.
-
Weller will come in for Caddy.... :shh
-
Well, well, Weller
-
RCD on his first hitout:
“It was pretty quick, and very heavily contested but it was a great hit-out,” he said.
“Surprisingly enough, I didn’t have many nerves, I was just really excited to get out there, and just a great experience and I’m very glad I did it.
“(My focus was) just to play my role, making sure I work offensively just as hard as I work defensively, and that was something I put a lot of emphasis on out there.”
“(The biggest challenge was) not being the biggest out there,” he said.
“There’s some pretty big bodies out there and they’re smashing and crashing in the pack, so that was pretty challenging and something I had to adapt to pretty quick.”
“I’ve certainly got a lot fitter and a lot bigger over my time at the Tigers, it’s been a really good pre-season, hopefully I can carry some of that form into the main season,” he said.
“Everyone aspires to play (senior football), but if I can ply my craft through the VFL that’s something I’ll do, just making sure I get better each time,” he said.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-03-05/first-hitout-leaves-collierdawkins-eager-for-more
-
KID ONLY HAD 40% GAME TIME AND SHOWED PLENTY WHEN ON THE GROUND.
They probably won't play him rnd 1 but i would. He Ross and Balta all did more than enough to be considered for rnd 1.
Hope they have a good look at Stack in jlt2.
-
KID ONLY HAD 40% GAME TIME AND SHOWED PLENTY WHEN ON THE GROUND.
They probably won't play him rnd 1 but i would. He Ross and Balta all did more than enough to be considered for rnd 1.
Hope they have a good look at Stack in jlt2.
reckon he will play the VFL practice game this Sat , he only played a half last Saturday
-
Hope they have a good look at Stack in jlt2.
Have to disagree
JLT 2 - you have to field the side you are looking to play round 1.
Stack is no chance to play round 1 IMHO
-
I'd bring Stack in for Martin.... :shh
-
I'd bring Stack in for Martin.... :shh
god help us :shh
-
kids as ready as any of our smalls gotta be in our best interests to have a look at what he can offer in jlt2.
-
I'd bring Stack in for Martin.... :shh
god help us :shh
Sorry, didn't realise the JLT meant so much.... :shh
-
Would be fantastic if RC-D, Ross and Balta all made their debuts rnd 1.
Way it would go
Ross for Conca
RC-D FOR Grigg
Balta for Lynch
and if Caddy misses Moore for Caddy.
Thats just too much to hope for praying at least one of them gets a gig.
In the real world is this a chance for round 1
Ross for Conca
RC-D FOR Grigg
Balta for Lynch
?
I would hope so.
IMSVHO, selectors lost the plot last year esp in the prelim.
Let's hope they show some flair and imagination this year where good performances are rewarded and poor performances shown the VFL option.
-
I'd bring Stack in for Martin.... :shh
god help us :shh
Sorry, didn't realise the JLT meant so much.... :shh
my point was SS only played a 1/2 in VFL practice game so highly unlikely to then play JLT2 :shh :shh
-
Hope he starts finding the pill more than 11 times in the Magoos.....needs to be fast tracked - kind of mid we're desperate for.... :shh
-
RCD's two goals on the run today:
3rd qtr: https://twitter.com/7VFL/status/1175652842951962625
4th qtr: https://twitter.com/7VFL/status/1175658058061475841
-
Was excellent today especially the last half
Will be a player
-
Yup one of our best
-
:shh
-
RCD's two goals on the run today:
3rd qtr: https://twitter.com/7VFL/status/1175652842951962625
4th qtr: https://twitter.com/7VFL/status/1175658058061475841
He runs his fair measure before kicking those goals!
-
Fix that ball drop and he's going to be the real deal.
One of the best tacklers for an 18 year old I've seen.
-
gee what a corker, the future is looking good !
-
You can definately see a starting centra square of CCJ, RCD, Ross & Stack plus Turner & Naish om the wings at AFL level
-
This is the benefit of just playing him week in week out in the center in the VFL. Might take him another 12 months but the forecast is looking good.
Fantastic we can (finally) develop these kids properly
-
gee what a corker, the future is looking good !
To think we may have another 2 first rounders to come in this draft if bellis leaves for GC
Future looks great indeed
-
gee what a corker, the future is looking good !
To think we may have another 2 first rounders to come in this draft if bellis leaves for GC
Future looks great indeed
If we nail them, which I'm confident we will.
I want KPP depth, with Rance and Jack getting on a bit.
Inside mids are always a good idea too.
Oddly I feel like we have rucks covered reasonably well, between Soldo, Nank, CCJ, Chol and Balta.
RCD will be a gun. First time I saw him was vs Essendon in the VFL final and I thought gee he has a go, just needs to shed his puppy fat over the summer and maybe shave his head!
-
At the mid year review, Dimma said he will be special. Fyfe like is actually what he said.... :shh
-
At the mid year review, Dimma said he will be special. Fyfe like is actually what he said.... :shh
Can't wait to unleash him next year. Could be the rising star!
-
Still has a way to go but arguably put the slight but lingering concerns about him to rest yesterday... :shh
-
RICHMOND
Riley Collier-Dawkins – Pick 20
It is a tough side to break into at Tiger Land. And despite showing plenty of positive signs in the VFL, Riley Collier-Dawkins was unable to get a crack at senior level in 2019. There is a lot to build on for the big bodied midfielder though. Collier-Dawkins was a consistent contributor in the VFL, being named in the Tigers’ best players in seven of his 20 matches. In the Grand Final win over Williamstown, he finished with 15 disposals and two vital goals.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/where-is-your-clubs-first-draft-selection-from-2018-at-in-their-development/news-story/b716019e9da1633d7332fc01f711279c
-
https://imgur.com/XygkmwL
-
Richmond development coach Sam Lonergan says he's excited to see what Riley Collier-Dawkins can produce in 2020 with a year in the system now under his belt.
While Lonergan has been impressed by the "fantastic mix" of second-year players on the Tigers' list, he said Collier-Dawkins had been a standout on the Gold Coast pre-season camp.
"(He's) flying at the moment, I’ve been really impressed with the way he's attacked the pre-season," Lonergan said.
"His body is in great shape. He's improved on last year, he finished the year strong and he's launched into the start of this season in really good shape."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/558121/tiger-cubs-fit-and-firing
-
Good to hear that RCD is flying and training the house down. Im expecting big things in 2020 from the hyphen.
-
Now weighs 94kgs after a big preseason. Everyone at the club is excited by the lebel of improvement his shown over this preseason. Expect him to play a lot of games in 2020 as a big inside mid at 191cm and 94kgs.
-
Has he built on his tank tho? Was covered in puppy fat last year
-
'Dangerfield-esque': Dimma excited after Tiger cub stacks on 7kg
By Riley Beveridge
afl.com.au
20 Feb 2020
REIGNING premier Richmond could be bolstered by the addition of another giant inside midfield bull this season, with first-round draft pick Riley Collier-Dawkins putting on seven kilograms this summer in a bid to earn a place in the side's starting midfield.
Collier-Dawkins now weighs 94kgs and stands at 191cm, with the Tigers confident he will take further strides after a promising development season in the VFL last year.
Claimed with pick No.20 in the 2018 NAB AFL Draft, Collier-Dawkins impressed throughout 20 VFL appearances last season to average 14.3 disposals, 8.3 contested possessions, 5.1 tackles and 3.7 clearances per game.
His improvement late last year and across pre-season has caught the attention of Richmond coach Damien Hardwick, who can see similarities between the talented 20-year-old and one of the game's premier players.
"Riley has put on about 6-7kgs as a big-bodied midfielder," Hardwick told AFL.com.au.
"It's funny, Trent (Cotchin) was talking about him the other day because he can grab hold of Trent and push him out of the way. It's hard to do that.
"He's had a great pre-season. He looks like the player we thought he could be. He's still got a little bit of work to do. He was a little bit late to mature, so he is going to take some time, but he can do some things that are Paddy Dangerfield-esque.
He's very, very powerful in and out of stoppage. Those sorts of players are pretty special.
- Damien Hardwick on Riley Collier-Dawkins
"He's going to take a little bit of time to get where we need to go, but the great thing about him is that he's improved again over the course of the off-season. It's exciting for us and for Riley himself."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/374296/-dangerfield-esque-dimma-excited-after-tiger-cub-stacks-on-7kg
-
The Richmond midfielder who could be a “big, big mover” this year
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
20 Feb 2020
Richmond’s midfield could bat even deeper in 2020 with the presence of talented youngster Riley Collier-Dawkins.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick told AFL.com.au this week that the 20-year-old had put on around 7kgs as he eyes a spot in the midfield of the reigning premiers.
Collier-Dawkins has bulked up after his debut season with the club, which saw him impress at VFL level in a premiership year, and his off-season work is creating plenty of excitement.
Melbourne great Garry Lyon expects the no.20 draft pick to slot straight into a prominent midfield position where he could replace departed two-time flag winner Brandon Ellis on a wing.
“Mark my words,” Lyon said on SEN Breakfast.
“You talk about Ellis leaving, this bloke steps in. This kid in the (VFL) finals was just so exciting.
“I don’t know this to be true but if he has grown and he’s 191 (cm) and he’s put 7 kegs (kilos) onto his frame, put Riley Collier-Dawkins down as one of the big, big movers.”
Additionally, Fox Footy’s Tom Morris reported from Richmond’s intra-club scratch match at Punt Road that Collier-Dawkins “looks seriously good”.
AFL Media's Mitch Cleary was also on hand to see the Tigers play and described the Waverley Blues and Oakleigh Chargers product as “prolific in midfield” alongside fellow promising youngster Jack Ross.
Collier-Dawkins will be in action for the Tigers in their Marsh Community Series opener against Collingwood in Wangaratta on Sunday, March 1.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/02/20/the-richmond-midfielder-who-could-be-a-big-big-mover-this-year/
-
'I spat the dummy': Summer of reflection helps 'reinvent' untried Tiger
By Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
1 March 2020
RILEY Collier-Dawkins used to keep a whiteboard in his room where he'd list goals, both short- and long-term, while on his journey to an AFL club.
Making the Oakleigh Chargers list. Tick. Hold his spot in the team. Tick.
Make the Vic Metro squad. Play well. Get drafted. Tick, tick, tick.
So, when he didn't make his AFL debut last year after being recruited as a big-bodied midfielder by Richmond at pick No.20 overall in the 2018 NAB AFL Draft, the absence of a tick next to that goal was glaring.
Especially when 15 of the 19 players drafted before him, and four of the next nine after him, debuted in their first season in the system.
"I did expect to play," Collier-Dawkins told AFL.com.au this week.
"I think most players when they get drafted imagine themselves playing.
"I definitely set high internal expectations for myself and I thought I was almost there a few times.
"The bad thing was I was thinking that because I didn't reach my goal, the rest I had were unreachable."
His frustrations peaked after round 12.
The 20-year-old was named emergency for the fifth time, without playing.
The following week, he wasn't on the team sheet at all.
He went back to the VFL, hurt that his debut had seemed so close and had now drifted to what he perceived as even further away.
"I probably drained myself thinking about it," he said.
"I took it pretty tough, more than I should have. I wasn't seeking advice on how to cope with it and I made it so much worse than it was.
"I sort of spat the dummy internally. I just thought it wasn't going to happen."
His mindset allowed complacency to sneak into his preparation.
If he was playing in the VFL, he'd arrive at the club 15 minutes before training, and had little interest in doing all the little things that players do to get the fittest version of themselves on the field.
"I'd get changed, do the meeting, and sort of go through the motions of it all," he said.
"I was doing myself a disservice. I knew I wasn't getting the best out of myself.
"People can warn you about how you'll feel when you have a form slump but you don't understand until you've been through it.
"Being so close had got the better of me … in hindsight, I should have reached out a little bit more."
But as the season wore on and spring approached, he started to find the light again.
Training got better. He worked with Trent Cotchin and Dustin Martin, who he claims "inspire excellence" in those around them.
He still didn't debut, but his two goals in the Tigers' VFL premiership win was his best game for the season.
"It was a turning point. One of the reasons was because I had a pretty good idea I wasn't going to play in the AFL Grand Final," he said.
"I was playing without fear of stuffing up. I played on instinct, and that's the approach I'm going to take this year."
While his teammates spread far and wide to celebrate the pair of premierships, Collier-Dawkins stayed close to home.
He wanted help his parents, Jacinta and Chris, move houses, and was keen to keep things simple with low-key catch-ups with friends.
He also wanted to start pre-season training in the best shape possible, which led to a strict eating regime that saw him strip six kilos from his frame.
A typical day started with an egg white omelette, and ended with a small steak and Caesar salad, with very little in between and very few carbohydrates.
For a teenager who two years ago went through such a growth spurt he wasn't immune to 2am drive-through takeaway pilgrimages, it was a tough way to shed what he called "puppy fat".
"It was more self-reflection than anything, what I could do better to give myself the best chance of attacking this year and playing senior footy," he said.
"It probably was a bit unreasonable, but I had to chop and change. The whole philosophy was right, I just had to get some science and logic behind it all."
When pre-season started, comments were made about Collier-Dawkin's trimmed frame, which looked even leaner without the mass of hair and required headband he wore late in the season.
Then, it was all about building him back up again – the right way.
He replaced the weight with a combination of muscle and fat, which took time to adjust to after he became a running machine in the off-season.
While he isn't as mobile as he was at his lightest, he's developed a power in his running that shaved 15 seconds off his 3km time trial result over summer.
"Last year, there were times where getting from contest to contest was just so tough," he said.
"I honestly feel just reinvented.
"I just feel so fit and it's not the ceiling yet but it's amazing to look where I was a year ago to where I am now, it's pretty surreal."
As for his mindset, he knows now that if things get tough again this year, he won't carry the burden on his own.
He's determined to approach each VFL game he plays as if it's an AFL one, although he's excited by the opportunity to break into Richmond's best 22, with the field to shift following Brandon Ellis' departure.
And he's not going to look at his AFL debut as the be-all and end-all, which is where he came undone in 2019.
"I've binned the whiteboard," he said.
"I've got some anchors I go back to, some words, some photos and quotes on a little cork board … it's just a much more level-headed approach.
"I've got to make sure I'm doing everything right, that I'm doing my vision, my stretching, getting my body right so that I can let myself do what I do best out there and if I do, that's awesome and I've earned it.
"I'm just going to focus on what I can do and if that means I play round one that's awesome, if it's round two or three, so be it.
"Although at the time I was disappointed and unsettled that I wasn't playing, I think I'll be a better player now because of it."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/379682/-i-spat-the-dummy-summer-of-reflection-helps-reinvent-untried-tiger
-
If yesterday's effort was anything to go by, you've still got a fair wait in front of you son......:shh
-
RCD was ordinary yesterday.
-
Can’t find the footy.
-
RCD has shaved off the locks.
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2020/05/25/748362.jpg)
-
If this kid can’t get a game in these circumstances I don’t know if he ever will.
If he does let’s hope we see some of what we saw in the vfl premiership win. Let’s hope the opportunity comes and shows us what he’s made of.
-
Is there a knock on this kid or what?
Filling out a bit? No endurance?
If he's a dud I get it, otherwise I want to see him have a go.
-
Early days he wasn't getting near it...now he gets it but can't get rid of it...so I guess that's progress...hopefully just a slow burner....has all the attributes, just needs to start putting them together.... :shh
-
Looked the goods at the end of last year and my uncle teaches at his school, said he's a ripper kid as well.
Hope it's slow burn!
Glad to have Cotch back but we really need some big bodies in that midfield.
-
TALENTED TIGER “VERY, VERY CLOSE” TO SENIOR DEBUT
BY SEN 18 HOURS AGO
Richmond youngster Riley Collier-Dawkins has had to bide his time since arriving at Punt Road.
Selected with the 20th overall pick in the 2018 draft, Collier-Dawkins honed his skills in the VFL last season as the Tigers claimed a second AFL premiership in three years.
But with the reigning premiers set to play four games in 18 days and coaches likely to rotate their players, 20-year-old Collier-Dawkins could make his senior debut in the coming weeks.
“He’s in the broader squad this week and he’s very, very close (to debuting),” Richmond spearhead Jack Riewoldt told SEN’s Tiger Time.
“He’s a big young lad that I suppose is that modern prototype of a midfielder.
“He’s just going to take some time, but I’ve got no doubt with this sort of fixturing over the next three weeks, plus the games to come after that, that Riley will get his chance.
“He’s got some very good qualities. He’s going to be a very good bull for us going forward.
“Exciting times, plenty of new faces to see over the next three weeks.”
Richmond take on the sixth-placed Western Bulldogs at Metricon Stadium on Wednesday night.
A win would move the ninth-placed Tigers into the top eight.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/07/29/talented-tiger-very-very-close-to-senior-debut/
-
TALENTED TIGER “VERY, VERY CLOSE” TO SENIOR DEBUT
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/y620gCI4TPgTm/source.gif)
-
Obviously isn’t ticking the boxes the coaching staff want.
Maybe he’s another C.Ellis although Ellis was able to play 6 games in his debut year and 11 in his second season.
It doesn’t look like it’s going to happen for him this year as opportunities will diminish once all our senior players return.
Shame I was keen to see him play.
-
From Xavier Clarke coaches corner
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/793905/coaches-corner-clarke-on-development?videoId=793905&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1597207084001
“played two of the scratch matches, the weekend was probably a good one for him. Played a little bit forward actually, trying to balance everyone in their positions (combined team with other clubs) a different look as a forward but then going on ball, I thought he had a really good impact around that part of the game. We know he is a big bodied midfielder for us and we want to see him crash packs and then win the ball and he’s been able to do that in patches but he’s been playing ok footy at the moment Riley and he will continue to develop in that space.”
I’m not sure that sounded like a huge note of confidence in his output to date.
Sound like he doesn’t find the ball enough or impact enough.
-
Still learning to play our way. Exceptionally difficult circumstances being a young player learning a certain style with essentially no reserve competition. No rush for him this year... next year should present opportunities.
-
RCD praised in the Zoom meeting tonight. Been best on ground in the past 3 Ressie games.
-
Hes unlucky. Deserves a game.
-
Hopefully primed for 2021
-
We do like surprises come finals.
-
Emergency's just re-signed for two years.... :shh
EDIT: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/828449/
-
Emergency's just re-signed for two years.... :shh
EDIT: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/828449/
Maybe he gets a game this week :shh :rollin
-
Next up is RCD who just turned 21 yesterday.
What are your expectations for Riley this year and what would be a good season for him?
Career stats:
Yet to make his AFL debut
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-richmond-tigers--riley-collier-dawkins
VFL:
2019: https://websites.sportstg.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=202921518&client=1-118-150491-518179-26138786
2020: No VFL season due to covid.
-
Will defintely debut
How many games? Depends on when he debuts. But once he gets in will be given a run of games to begin with and if hos form warrants it he will stay.
Reckon he will pay 10-12 games
-
Hope he gets some games. Also gets a fair go ( not 1 game then dropped)
There is a lot of expectation on him, good luck to the young man.
-
Will defintely debut
How many games? Depends on when he debuts. But once he gets in will be given a run of games to begin with and if hos form warrants it he will stay.
Reckon he will pay 10-12 games
If he plays 10-12 games then I would consider him well on his way.
-
I see another flop coming (think Lennon, C Ellis etc), but hope I am very wrong.
Hard team to break into and he hasn't really got close yet.
-
No expectations with him. But really HOPE he makes the grade. Would love to have a 190cm plus explosive inside mid in the team. Imo it is the one type we lack apart from Dusty and Dusty turns thirty this yr be good to get games into a similar type.
From what i can gather the knocks he had as a junior still plague his game so no the expectations are low would have liked us to target another big inside player at the last nd.
-
Latest pic of RCD:
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2021/02/05/6e622bbf-abbc-4e87-b0fd-f5bea2455fd5/Ahmed-Fahour-Brendon-Gale-3669.jpg?height=600&width=780)
-
"(Riley Collier-Dawkins) has had a fantastic pre-season. We always knew Riley was going to take a bit of time. He's very explosive, he's very powerful, his fitness base has really improved, and he has matured. That's the hard thing about drafting 18 year olds, you're drafting a player that you look forward and hope they progress into the player they and you want to be. I think he is going to be a very good player for us." - Hardwick on SEN today.
-
Dimma says RCD has lost his 'puppy fat'. He's gone from 93-95kg down to 88kg.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/553017/who-are-the-next-breed-of-richmond-stars-?videoId=553017&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1614283200001
-
Riley Collier-Dawkins featured for the Tigers in the second half after an impressive pre-season and picked up eight touches in his first outing for the Tigers, impressing with his work at stoppages and catching the eye with a final-quarter blind turn.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/556494/tigers-hang-on-in-a-thriller-pies-sweat-on-injuries)
Disposals 8 ... ( 3k, 5h, 2c, 7u, 37.5% eff.)
Marks 1
Tackles 1
Clearances 0
Inside 50s 2
Metres gained 105
Score inv. 1
ToG% 39
-
Finished 3rd for pressure acts with 19 from 39% game time.
https://twitter.com/P_T_Ager/status/1368681652013068288
-
Is that impressive around stoppages?
No clearances and 1 tackle in 39% game time?
Got some ball, no.problem, not overly efficient though.
Hope he has a good year but he'll have to do more than that.
-
I had high expectations. But they have waned.
How many opportunities does this kid need?
It looks as though RCD doesn’t have what the selection committee want. I’d suspect both mums would be seriously concerned he continuously gets overlooked for newer players.
I mean Prestia out and Martyn comes in ahead of him. Obviously isn’t demanding selection.
I still want to see him play so I can see for myself but I’ve almost lost all hope for him now.
Who watches the VFL. What’s missing from his game?
-
At this rate Parker Cotchin will debut before him....... :shh
-
Agreed. Meatball out, Cotchin finishing the game on ice...you'd think this is his chance. Guess he's not up to it...
-
Agreed. Meatball out, Cotchin finishing the game on ice...you'd think this is his chance. Guess he's not up to it...
"Guess he's not up to it", really?
Or maybe this week when looking at the opposition the decision was the players coming in are what we need to beat Port; so there isn't a role for him this week? Or maybe it's taken a while to get over the concussion and he hasn't recaptured the form he showed prior to be KO'd...
Ross is in for Prestia.... he plays the same sort of role . It is like for like size and style wise Think it was pretty clear from Dimma's presser that the only reason Cotch is playing is because of the 2 senior outs (Prestia & KMac). Martyn is an inside player like Cotchin... again like for like.
Houli comes in for Eggmolesse-Smith ... like for like... also frees up Edwards
Caddy goes and Mansell comes in. With his pace and running ability he can take on the running wingman role or rebounding HB role if we need to free up someone else.
Naish was supposedly one of our best last week and he didn't get a gig either...
Dimma has said a number of times (this year & in previous years) they always expected RCD to take longer to develop but they believe he will be a good player... have to say after 3 flags in 4 years I'll back the Club in on Riley
I feel for the kid. He doesn't get picked and he's supposedly "not up to it", isn't taking his "opportunities" or demanding selection. They play him (and they will) and he doesn't get 30 odd touches and a rising star nomination and you'd almost guarantee he will get lambasted.... :-\
-
Sheesh, have I hit a nerve?
The idea that they'll play Cotchin because Prestia and KMac are out is concerning. It makes me wonder if he's not right to go 100%. Is it worth risking him this early in the year?
What role will RCD play? I was under the impression it's inside mid. With Prestia out and Cotchin either sore or tight (risking a soft tissue here) I think it's not a bad idea to play someone else like Ross or RCD. Or Martyn for that matter. But why Martyn or Ross over RCD? Is RCD not ready enough and those two are?
Mansell should be playing backline somewhere, not wing.
Egg out for Houl, no brainer.
Caddy you'd think will be replaced by either Pickett or Edwards on a wing. But yes you do wonder why with a wing position or two up for grabs we aren't trying someone like Naish or Ralph. At least with Naish we've seen him play and many have doubts. Hopefully misplaced doubts.
For RCD though... How many quality players have you seen that were drafted but not debuted within their first two years? It's a little concerning for me. I hope you're right and he needs time or his chance hasn't come yet, but given how often he's been emergency, how great his pre-season apparently was, how close he was to debut last year with shorter quarters...surely it makes you wonder if he's just not ticking the boxes?
-
have downgraded expectations to zero
-
Sheesh, have I hit a nerve?
Nope just posting an opinion....
The idea that they'll play Cotchin because Prestia and KMac are out is concerning. It makes me wonder if he's not right to go 100%. Is it worth risking him this early in the year?
Did you not listen to Dimma's presser on Wednesday? He said:
"In theory we had three six-day breaks, so ideally we probably thought and spoke about management of one of those games - but obviously with Dion going out, plans changed pretty quickly.
Pretty clear that with Dion Prestia out they changed their thinking on resting Cotchin. Why? I don't know, not saying I agree with it but that's what they've done...
For RCD though... How many quality players have you seen that were drafted but not debuted within their first two years? It's a little concerning for me. I hope you're right and he needs time or his chance hasn't come yet, but given how often he's been emergency, how great his pre-season apparently was, how close he was to debut last year with shorter quarters...surely it makes you wonder if he's just not ticking the boxes?
And how many top end draft picks have we seen play immediately (too soon) and they are gone within 4 years?
We did that in the past and thankfully we don't do it now because we don't need to
CCJ has been on the list longer than RCD and has played 1 game. I don't see the same concerns about him not getting games. Miller's been on the list for 3 years, no games. Naish 3 years for 3 games... Way I see it there is now a very clear plan around our players being developed and it is a good thing
As I said I will back the coaches in regarding the kids development. If they think he's not ready or there isn't a role for him this week or next week then so be it.
-
Re: Cotch. I'm not talking about resting him in general. He finished last game on ice. I hope he isn't tight in the hammies again before flying to SA. If they decided not to rest him then that's fine but if they're choosing to risk him because Prestia is out that would be concerning.
As for the rest, sure plenty of high picks haven't made it. Is that because they were played too soon? Happy to assess case by case but I think if a bloke is good enough they'll make it, early debut or not. See Dusty and Cotch.
CCJ would likely have played last year and maybe this year if not for his suspension. I'm still not convinced on him tho.
Miller I don't think will make it. Naish I'm thinking 2:1 won't make it.
-
People should keep the faith on RCD, CCJ and Miller.
-
I’ve got the feeling RCD might be alittle too soft for the big leagues
I haven’t seen him play but match committee decisions makes me think he’s possibly to Kleenex at this stage - possibly a tad scared and wimpish.
Am I wrong?
-
RCD must be confused watching martyn thinking how do these blokes get games ahead of me. Granted he couldn’t play but dimma wouldn’t have played him anyway
Martyn was very disappointing and cost us momentum. It was like playing with 2 less men.
-
You're all wrong.
He's the same as CCJ (200cm) and Miller (198cm) in that he just needs time to develop his huge frame.
-
His debut if he ever makes one couldn't be much worse than Martyn's was... :shh
-
Who on here watched the vfl games?
Is he a better player than Martyn?
-
Yes Naish
-
Naish would've completely gone to water in a high pressure game like tonight's.... :shh
-
I was actually asking about RCD.
-
Wasn't answering you but now to answer you- on pure natural talent & sheer potential RCD is comfortably better than Martyn...but you know what say about "potential"... :shh :shh
-
Wasn't answering you but now to answer you- on pure natural talent & sheer potential RCD is comfortably better than Martyn...but you know what say about "potential"... :shh :shh
Is he soft? Does he take the short step? Is he scared of contact? Can he tackle?
-
From what I've seen so far ..albeit like most people, mainly in 2019 and by general consensus.....no, no, no & yes... :shh
-
Adam Kingsley pre-game (on Riley Collier-Dawkins): He's really close, it just comes down to the midfield mix. Martyn covers the ground better than RCD at the moment. We're looking for a more running type (at the moment).
https://twitter.com/AFLNation/status/1380451105042145282
-
Dawkins can burst from a pack. Martyn is slow. Id try RCD in the team instead.
-
I do watch the VFL games. You don't notice Martyn as much in my opinion. Dawkins breaks lines inside 50. As does Naish. Think we would have be better playing one of those two. Last week Naish dominated the game. Should have played.
-
THE RICHMOND SELECTION CALL WHICH "CONCERNED" JUSTIN LEPPITSCH
BY SEN
11 April 2021
Riley Collier-Dawkins was Richmond’s top pick in the 2018 draft, but has still yet to make his debut for the club.
Will Martin and Rhyan Mansell – who only joined the club in February – were handed club debuts over Collier-Dawkins this week, raising plenty of questions why two newer players on the list were selected ahead of someone that is entering his third season on Richmond's list.
Justin Leppitsch, who was an assistant coach at Richmond between 2016 and 2020, conceded that he was “concerned” Will Martyn was preferred to Collier-Dawkins, but offered an explanation into the selection call.
“I was a bit concerned that someone like Will Martyn had gone past (Collier-Dawkins),” he said on SEN’s Crunch Time.
“(Rhyan) Mansell played as a half back so that’s different, but Martyn probably hasn’t been a name (you'd have making his debut so soon) so you could probably ask the question there and could be concerned.
“Listening to (assistant coach) Adam Kingsley (on AFL Nation) last night, they wanted someone that could spread a bit more (from stoppages). He felt that Riley’s inside work was elite, but they wanted someone that could get from contest to contest.
“Maybe that’s the feedback Riley is getting and it’s not as dark as we think.”
Collier-Dawkins will continue to press his claim for senior selection, with Richmond’s VFL side to open their 2021 campaign against Sandringham at Punt Road next weekend.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/10/the-richmond-selection-call-which-concerned-justin-leppitsch/
-
In hindsight we could’ve done with a someone with elite “inside work”.
We were smashed in that area all night.
-
Still wish Leppa would shut his gob but he's only saying what we're all thinking.
-
Midfielder Riley Collier-Dawkins, a first-round draftee in 2018, is still yet to make his AFL debut despite Hardwick long suggesting he was close to playing.
Richmond VFL coach Xavier Clarke said the youngster, along with Hugo Ralphsmith, were both in the frame to play in the AFL soon.
“They are close - probably Riley Collier-Dawkins has been the most talked about,” Clarke said.
“Riley’s been playing great footy, he really just needs his opportunity, almost to a point that ‘when do we just put him in and play him?’ He’s not too far away. He’s continued playing pretty good footy in the VFL. He did get a heavy tag a couple of weeks ago in a practice match.
“He needs to work his way through that but he’s a great kid. He’s changed his body shape - he’s still a very strong boy but he’s lost a bit of the puppy fat.
“He is close. He is our next big mid that we need to get into the side at some point.”
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/stack-s-on-tiger-poised-to-play-in-vfl-this-week-20210412-p57ika.html)
-
The expectations is OTT.
God forbid if disappoints in his first senior appointment, some around these parts will tear him to shreds. :whistle
-
As long as less than half his possessions are turnovers and he only gets caught htb twice.... :shh
-
Still wish Leppa would shut his gob but he's only saying what we're all thinking.
We had Jack Ross but chose to play him in McIntosh's role for most of the match.
-
Will debut on Friday night. Congrats RCD!
-
Good luck with it mate.
Low expectations but I hope he cleans them up I'm there with Ross and it heralds the coming of two genuine inside mids.
-
Collier-Dawkins to debut against Bulldogs
By Richmond Media - 1 hr ago
They say good things come to those who wait.
In his third year as a Richmond player, midfielder Riley Collier-Dawkins will make his long-awaited senior league debut against the Western Bulldogs at the MCG on Friday night.
The Tigers' No. 20 selection in the 2018 NAB AFL Draft, Collier-Dawkins was one of Richmond's best players in their opening round VFL win against Sandringham a fortnight ago collecting 30 disposals, eight tackles, six clearances and 10 handball receives.
Collier-Dawkins will be Richmond's third debutant so far during the 2021 season, following Rhyan Mansell and Will Martyn (both in Round 4 against Port Adelaide).
In confirming the news on Wednesday morning, Richmond senior coach Damien Hardwick said he was looking forward to blooding the 21-year-old at AFL-level after honing his craft since arriving at Tigerland.
"We always knew when we drafted him that it was going to be a bit of a slow burn and he's had to work on some things in his game," Hardwick said.
"He's incredible around the ball, (but) he has had to work on his off-ball positioning and understanding how to go about getting that off-ball offensively.
"He has worked incredibly hard on that and we've started to see some real dividends this year, and even at the back end of last year.
"It's going to be a well-earned debut from our point of view and we're really excited to see what he can offer."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/922563/collier-dawkins-to-debut-against-bulldogs
:clapping :clapping :clapping
-
Excited to see him play!
-
Just give him a go, don’t expect anything, a give him a string of games
-
Minimum return of 30 & 4 or delist... :shh
-
Minimum return of 30 & 4 or delist... :shh
30m gained from 4 handballs? Haha
Yes we need to give him a few games and back him in.
-
Finalmente! :cheers
All the best kid :clapping
-
Wish him all the best. Going to be a very tough game to debut in.
-
All the best RCD, trial by fire!!!!!
-
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0NY8umVoAIKJ_u?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0NY8umVIAE1Y7Z?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1388050920517238786
-
Well done
-
Very happy with him. He was excellent for a first gamer.
-
Solid debut. Well done!
-
Solid game. Nothing spectacular but that wasn’t expected tonight.
Will be much better for the run. Keeps his place for next week.
-
Good game, and justifies the noise about him needing to play at the top level for his development. Looks like he will make a player and the VFL will only stunt his growth imo. More games for him and Mansell.
-
As most knew he would not be out of place.
-
Looks like he’ll be a very good inside mid. Does he lack a little pace, he got his hands on it a few times as it spilled out of the pack, albeit only by half a step and he couldn’t capitalise.
-
Solid debut. Liked his attack on the ball and the man. Equal third most clearances for the game. Hopefully continues to build from this.
-
Looks better and bigger with some talent around him, was good
-
Did well.
First contest and applies a terrific tackle and gets rewarded with a free
Was our leading tackler in the 1st qtr and that is a great sign :clapping
-
“I thought it (RCD's debut) was really good . . . He had 11 contested possessions and that’s the thing in his game we love,” Hardwick said.
“He had a couple of really crucial centre-bounce clearances that he won.
“He’s hard and tough, and he’s only going to get better for the experience.
“It’s funny, some players are okay at the lower level (VFL), but then, when they get picked to play AFL level, they become better. And I think he’s one of those guys.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/924367/collier-dawkins-impresses-on-debut
-
“I thought it (RCD's debut) was really good . . . He had 11 contested possessions and that’s the thing in his game we love,” Hardwick said.
“He had a couple of really crucial centre-bounce clearances that he won.
“He’s hard and tough, and he’s only going to get better for the experience.
“It’s funny, some players are okay at the lower level (VFL), but then, when they get picked to play AFL level, they become better. And I think he’s one of those guys.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/924367/collier-dawkins-impresses-on-debut
Great minds think alike Dimma
-
“I thought it (RCD's debut) was really good . . . He had 11 contested possessions and that’s the thing in his game we love,” Hardwick said.
“He had a couple of really crucial centre-bounce clearances that he won.
“He’s hard and tough, and he’s only going to get better for the experience.
“It’s funny, some players are okay at the lower level (VFL), but then, when they get picked to play AFL level, they become better. And I think he’s one of those guys.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/924367/collier-dawkins-impresses-on-debut
Great minds think alike Dimma
he is literally the opposite of Menadue.
-
:lol
-
Impressive...never had any doubts (:santa).... has to be given a decent block of matches....exactly the type we need... :shh
...oh and Short - let the first gamer take the stuffing shot you selfish stat-padding flog.... :thumbsdown
-
Another player who can play a role, I was concerned when selected but stood up against good opposition
-
Dimma said RCD keeps his spot in the side.
'Riley will play. We were really impressed with how he went about it. Had 11 contested possessions on the night. We always knew he would be a better player at AFL level. He's just got to build on that. There's things he needs to work on but he also has a number of strengths we like. Just needs to work on bringing those again'.
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/928211/hardwick-previews-geelong)
-
What I liked about RCD's debut is he was able to stand up in tackles. He wasn't easily bumped off the ball as most young players are.
-
What I liked about RCD's debut is he was able to stand up in tackles. He wasn't easily bumped off the ball as most young players are.
He kept getting to the contest and have an affect on play. Was still going late in the game and was streaming forward with the ball when the final siren went.
Can play. Now to get games into him.
-
Richmond debuted Riley Collier-Dawkins and immediately threw him in at 70 per cent of their centre bounces.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/05/carltons-on-ball-conundrum-continues/
-
Saw he had 14 disposals last night. Didnt see the gane myself was he any good?
-
I actually thought so yeah, for a 2nd game was no worse than any other mid bar Bolton.
-
Agree thought he was good, like the team average second half
Needs to stay in, he’s going toe to toe with big names
-
I liked how he was willing to take it on a couple of times but if kicking inside fifty he must kick to the advantage of the forwards and not just bomb it in.
Like everyone else he went missing in the third with donuts he may have been on the bench for most of it I can’t remember now.
-
On a night when the majority went either missing, didn't show up at all or just had a stinker I thought he was OK
Did a couple really good things in the last when 9thers had given up
-
RCD had 63% TOG. 14 disposals 2 marks 6 tackles and 1 clearance
At least he is showing he has talents. Work in progress. Get game time into now
-
Agree thought he was good, like the team average second half
Needs to stay in, he’s going toe to toe with big names
Imagine how much easier it will be for him with some inside grunt like Prestia and Cotchin in the team helping him. That also goes for Dusty they are being overwhelmed atm.
-
RCD's game last night :clapping:
18 disposals ( 12k, 6h, 9c, 8u, eff. 55.6% )
1 mark
7 tackles
4 clearances
3 centre clearances
4 inside 50s
405 metres gained
2 intercepts
5 score involvements
1 goal assist
2 goals
80% time on ground.
-
Fantastic OE
He is a beauty
-
Those two goals were critical.
Well done young lad.
-
The kid got pose and a few tricks working in nicely.
-
Excellent. Coming along well.
Playing AFL level has done him the world of good - as I am proud to say I said it would!
-
Absolutely no surprise with how he is going.
Needed time, we gave him time and we are seeing the results
Said in the "expectation" thread that once he gets in he will stay in ;D
-
Though he started slow but did some really good inside work. I like how he’s gaining some real confidence and looks like he wants to take on the opposition.
I agree with other posters that he will definitely get better once the senior players come back to help.
-
Kid can play.... :shh
-
Matthew Lloyd talking about RCD on the AFL website:
"When you're made to wait you're a better player when you come in. At other clubs Collier-Dawkins would've already been playing for 12 months but he's been made to wait because of star-studded midfield and he was wonderful. He kicked goals, he lowered his eyes inside 50. Just the way he lowered his eyes there [to Castagna in the 3rd qtr] is a sign of a mature player who has played VFL a lot and been made to wait and he'll be a better player for it."
https://www.afl.com.au/video/616158/hawks-all-over-the-place-clarko-succession-plan-pies-horror-stat
-
RCD in his interview on the ABC on Sunday basically said the same thing- that he appreciated when you made to wait you are better player when you come in.
-
Clearly still needs to work on a few things but under the circumstances don't reckon he would've lost any fans tonight... :shh
-
He’s a keeper along with Balta, Bolton, Baker and possibly Ralphsmith. After that, our under 24’s look like they’re limited
-
He’s a keeper along with Balta, Bolton, Baker and possibly Ralphsmith. After that, our under 24’s look like they’re limited
Jack Graham?
Also plenty of unknowns , eg Dow
Stack is 10000% a keeper if they can keep him behaving
-
He’s a keeper along with Balta, Bolton, Baker and possibly Ralphsmith. After that, our under 24’s look like they’re limited
I mostly agree but I want to see if MRJ, Coleman Jones and Miller can add to the list.
-
Of all our kids Collier Dawkins seems most capable of becoming a very good AFL player. His breakaway from a contest ability gives him a big chance in making it at AFL level.
-
If Cumberland is over his knee then he might surprise you.
Also not writing Martyn off just yet. Just needs to get use to the speed in AFL
-
Martyn is too slow for AFL. Just like Corey Ellis.
-
...also has no awareness and can't handball for shyte .. :shh
....and Cumberland's kicking makes Pickett look like Buckley.... :shh :shh
-
He’s a keeper along with Balta, Bolton, Baker and possibly Ralphsmith. After that, our under 24’s look like they’re limited
Jack Graham?
Also plenty of unknowns , eg Dow
Stack is 10000% a keeper if they can keep him behaving
Jack Graham is a solid second string mid
-
Good to see we haven't pushed RCD out of the middle with our senior mids back in the side. He's made a couple of blues but all up having a decent game so far in the guts.
-
Good to see we haven't pushed RCD out of the middle with our senior mids back in the side. He's made a couple of blues but all up having a decent game so far in the guts.
Agree
Been very good
-
I’m sorry young man for the lack of faith .. you will make the grade .. so impressed at your work at the stoppages
-
Clean hands, composure, great vision and skill. Puts his head over it. Impressive
-
I’m sorry young man for the lack of faith .. you will make the grade .. so impressed at your work at the stoppages
:clapping
Onya Damo, easy to think it but kudos for saying it
-
Terrible turnover in the last but otherwise good!
-
A couple of bad turnovers actually...but yeah.... :shh
-
I'm a fan of RCD he just send like a footballer.
-
A couple of bad turnovers actually...but yeah.... :shh
Our best player up to halftime but then had a mare in the 2nd half
-
I want what you were smoking during the match Knighter.
RCD was poor in the first half better in the second half.
-
I want what you were smoking during the match Knighter.
RCD was poor in the first half better in the second half.
One could say the same to you, was definitely better in the first half, went completely missing in the third and showed up again in the last.
He still looks lazy once the ball leaves his area, looks very reluctant to tackle.
-
Only had a single tackle today but previous weeks recorded 5, 6, 7 & 3. Defs isn’t reluctant to tackle.
-
Once he develops a tank and some core strength he'll be unstoppsble...his field kicking will probably always be hit & miss..but that's how it is for the vast majority of on-ballers... :shh
-
What is the news on RCD, staying ? Going?
I think he has shown some good things, would like to keep, I think he has a big upside.
Thoughts??
-
Keep
-
I'd hate to watch him play against us, so keep thanks ... :cheers
Has potential to be Bont-like, will take time but has that sort of talent.
-
well he's here for at least another year... :shh
-
What is the news on RCD, staying ? Going?
I think he has shown some good things, would like to keep, I think he has a big upside.
Thoughts??
Contracted and staying
-
Just needs to get in the gym. Will be a good player for us.
-
Just needs to get in the gym. Will be a good player for us.
I think his tank needs work.
He's the kind of player you'd have subbed off a few years ago. Runs flat in the 3rd
-
And yet we seem to be trading for Narkle this upcoming trade period whose tank is poorer than RCD"s go figure?
-
Mmm Dusty had that problem early in his career😀
-
Mmm Dusty had that problem early in his career😀
Me too 😂😂
-
And in the middle and at the end of my career 😀
-
RCD's stats today:
19 disposals (10k, 9h, 8c, 11u, 73.7% eff.)
3 marks
1 tackle
5 clearances (4 centre clearances)
3 inside 50s
256m gained.
1 intercept
2 score involvements
64% time on ground.
19 disposals playing just two thirds of the game is decent. His best return in his short career so far.
-
His stats are decent but I barely noticed him.
-
Good early. Tired late. Has ‘it’, but needs a few pre-seasons to get body right and enable consistency
-
Tools are there , but needs to work on fitness run out games.
-
When I see new players I like to see a glimpse of some non negotiable traits
- a footy brain (footy basics as a minimum)
- not a scaredy-cat (ie. not soft)
- poise with ball in hand (ie. doesn't panic under pressure)
- skill by foot
I’m not convinced RCD ticks many of these - if any maybe the first one
-
Was good considering there wasn’t a lot of experience in the midfield to back him up
-
Need to get games into him....should never have been dropped....clearly a confidence player..... :shh
-
Need to get games into him....should never have been dropped....clearly a confidence player..... :shh
Agree
:o
Bookmark it ;D
-
This bloke is a great kick. Good hands too.
Not saying he is Dusty potential but I would consider resting him in the forward line. Or see how he goes as a mid-fwd who rotates mid.
-
Sensational game. So good to see the youth given the chance to play from the middle. Was this the first time this year we won the centre clearances?
-
impressive kid, liked his game.
will make it in the big time.
-
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1009103/2021-jdm-bill-cosgrove-harry-jenkins-best-first-year-player-award
-
RCD averaged 14.7 disposals, 6.3 contested possessions, 3.3 clearances, 2.1 centre clearances, 3.6 tackles and 209.7 metres gained per match.
Among the competition’s rising star contenders, Collier-Dawkins was ranked No. 1 for centre clearances per game and No. 3 for total clearances per game.
And he capped off the promising start to his AFL career by winning Richmond’s Cosgrove-Jenkins best first year player award.
The Tigers’ national recruiting manager Matthew Clarke believes there is a huge upside to Collier-Dawkins.
“I think we always thought that it would take a little bit longer with Riley, just given his training history, as well as the programs and the understanding of footy in elite pathways,” Clarke said on the AFL.com.au ‘Road to the Draft’ podcast.
“When he got his chance this year, he played a couple of ripping games . . .
“Against the Giants at Marvel (Stadium) he kicked a couple of goals and really kept us in the game early.
“He’s scratching the surface . . . He’s starting to work out how big and physical he could be.
“A good sign is when he’d go back from AFL level to some VFL footy and he’d look dominant at times.
“It looks like he really belongs there (at AFL level), rather than being that bit-part midfielder . . .
“I think the sky’s the limit for Riley.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1014045/slow-burn-tiger-cub-set-to-fire
-
After his long-awaited debut, Riley Collier-Dawkins made the most of his opportunities (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f44a.png)
Watch: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1441215253518315528
-
Every club’s breakout star
Ben Cotton and David Zita
Fox Sports
October 22nd, 2021
RICHMOND
Riley Collier-Dawkins
Trent Cotchin‘s decision to stand down as captain won’t impact his immediate playing role, but it’s yet another reminder the fulcrum of the Tigers’ premiership-winning midfield is closer to the end than he is the start. Riley Collier-Dawkins was one of the names who emerged in 2021 and finally got some senior game time. A couple of others in Mabior Chol and Callum Coleman-Jones have now left the club - ’RCD’ is now the man of the future for Richmond. He is someone who‘ll need to step into the void left by Cotchin when the premiership skipper eventually retires. No one is expecting him to have the impact Cotchin has had, but he is primed to launch into the senior side and become an impressive midfielder in his own right. We could see him take considerable steps towards that in 2022.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2022-every-afl-clubs-breakout-star-for-2022-predicted-breakout-players-most-improved-analysis/news-story/c67c8219d116b3f6d75632a7812e4e22
-
Good signs today from RCD. His endurance seems to have really improved. He was leading or at least amongst the leaders in the shuttle runs today. Apparently, the Club sees him as a mid in the Cotch role.
-
Riley needs opportunity. He'll be ok. Hopefully the supporters give him a chance. We cant afford to burn our 1st round draft selections.
-
It was only the first day of preseason training and there wasn't a trial match but still based on what RCD showed today it was very promising Ramps. I know the couple of fellow Tiger supporters I had a chat to while watching training were also excited by what they saw from Riley today.
We can't rely on Cotch and our other vets, as much as they have been champions, to carry the bulk of the workload in the guts. We need our younger mids to step up next year and spend more gametime in the midfield and become our main ballwinners. RCD with an improved fitness and endurance base looks like he may be one of them :pray.
-
Pumping a young player up based on training is cliche at this time of the year but the one that looks to have made a quantum leap since coming back to preseason training is RCD. He's a big boy now but his running ability has improved as well. In one of the drills he had two opponents trying to bring him down while in another he did this side-step :o to avoid another opponent in traffic. Seems to be Steve Morris' pet project too as he's doing extra work after main training with Riley. Expect to see him to play a Dusty-type role: ballwinning mid plus time in the forward line.
-
Pumping a young player up based on training is cliche at this time of the year but the one that looks to have made a quantum leap since coming back to preseason training is RCD. He's a big boy now but his running ability has improved as well. In one of the drills he had two opponents trying to bring him down while in another he did this side-step :o to avoid another opponent in traffic. Seems to be Steve Morris' pet project too as he's doing extra work after main training with Riley. Expect to see him to play a Dusty-type role: ballwinning mid plus time in the forward line.
Love this :clapping
-
RCD a Smokey for the Brownlow…??…??
-
RCD a Smokey for the Brownlow…??…??
:lol
A Dangerfield type in 2022 but unlike Danger he can hit a target that's not in row G of the stands :shh.
-
Predicting the 10 breakout players of 2022
Which emerging youngster will you be keeping an eye on next year?
By Mitch Keating
zerohanger.com
13 December 2021
Riley Collier-Dawkins
Collier-Dawkins has been a project player for the Tigers, having waited in the wings until his third season before making his AFL debut in 2021.
The 21-year-old's patience paid off however, amassing strong numbers around the centre of the ground as a promising two-way onballer and showing his place as an heir to the Tigers' midfield.
Now entering his fourth year, Collier-Dawkins is sure to have his sights set on securing his place higher up on Damien Hardwick's midfield pecking order, with the likes of Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards and Kane Lambert soon to be stepping aside for the next wave.
https://www.zerohanger.com/predicting-the-10-breakout-players-of-2022-95669/
-
Here's a different viewpoint on RCD:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL_yYvOaMAAjVOZ?format=png&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/GrantLPollerd/status/1495180318906937347
-
Sooo...he's not that good then?
Should be played forward imo.
-
That tweet fits in with what I've heard. The coaching staff see RCD replacing Cotch in his role. Leave it to others to be the transitional mids (eg: Prestia & Lambert).
-
Pardon my ignorance but why wouldn’t the coaches want someone as big as RCD to smash packs like Fyfe or pre injury Cripps?
-
Coaches' Corner: Summer Snippets - Riley Collier-Dawkins
Richmond assistant coach, Andrew McQaulter, provides an update on the development of Riley Collier-Dawkins:
WATCH HERE: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1064019/coaches-corner-summer-snippets-riley-collier-dawkins?videoId=1064019&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1645414461001
-
A bust and a dud Delist!
If I was still slightly hopeful for him, after watching today I’ve lost all hope. Rubbish selection in hindsight.
Or our development is severely lacking like it did in the dark years.
Hopefully the club seeks to reinvest in recruiting and development so we don’t waste our time with players that just don’t have it.
For those that dislike Aarts they should watch this kid and Aarts doesn’t look half bad in comparison.
-
Will Martyn and Sampson Ryan are worse
-
Will Martyn and Sampson Ryan are worse
I never said he was the worse player.
What I am saying is that he isn’t going to be the midfield hope we expected.
Unless he all of a sudden becomes a better player.
-
He's a bust and we all know it. As a mid. I'd still like to see him played forward.
Very few players spend 3 years in the seconds and come good.
Heck even Jack Higgins showed more in his debut year.
-
Will Martyn and Sampson Ryan are worse
I never said he was the worse player.
What I am saying is that he isn’t going to be the midfield hope we expected.
Unless he all of a sudden becomes a better player.
You said hes a dud and should be delisted Martyn and Ryan should go first.
-
Will Martyn and Sampson Ryan are worse
I never said he was the worse player.
What I am saying is that he isn’t going to be the midfield hope we expected.
Unless he all of a sudden becomes a better player.
You said hes a dud and should be delisted Martyn and Ryan should go first.
Fair enough and your probably right but hasn’t RCD been there for longer than the other two?
-
RCD 21 disposals with 4 or 5 clearances and some tackles
Thats ok compared to some others.
-
From what I saw today he is way off maybe it was just a bad day from him but he was very poor.
You’ll say others were poorer but I wasn’t watching anyone else to be honest although Sonsie and Mansell did look lively and interested all game and probably Cumberland too but not many else.
Anyway I was just watching RCD to be honest and wanted to see if he is as good as everyone is saying but I still can’t see it.
I truely hope he proves me completely wrong and I look stupid again as I have many times before because we really need him to step up.
-
From what I saw today he is way off maybe it was just a bad day from him but he was very poor.
You’ll say others were poorer but I wasn’t watching anyone else to be honest although Sonsie and Mansell did look lively and interested all game and probably Cumberland too but not many else.
Anyway I was just watching RCD to be honest and wanted to see if he is as good as everyone is saying but I still can’t see it.
I truely hope he proves me completely wrong and I look stupid again as I have many times before because we really need him to step up.
I see not much with Cumberland. He could prove me wrong but in my books it's see ya later at the end of the year.
-
From what I saw today he is way off maybe it was just a bad day from him but he was very poor.
You’ll say others were poorer but I wasn’t watching anyone else to be honest although Sonsie and Mansell did look lively and interested all game and probably Cumberland too but not many else.
Anyway I was just watching RCD to be honest and wanted to see if he is as good as everyone is saying but I still can’t see it.
I truely hope he proves me completely wrong and I look stupid again as I have many times before because we really need him to step up.
I see not much with Cumberland. He could prove me wrong but in my books it's see ya later at the end of the year.
I'd give him 3 games in the ones starting next week. What exactly are Aarts, Castagna and Baker doing to prevent us from giving some kids a go.
-
True. He is worse than Ross so let’s not even bother with him.
Ross is a gun and anyone in the vfl is not in his league.
-
At least he doesn’t give up and tackles which in better than the majority
-
RCD has always come into seniors and placed twice as good as in VFL. May be an attitude thing. Buy the kid has more talent than most in our midfield we need to invest heavily in RCD
-
RCD has always come into seniors and placed twice as good as in VFL. May be an attitude thing. Buy the kid has more talent than most in our midfield we need to invest heavily in RCD
Agree
As I posted in the changes for next week thread
Would actually bring in RCD as well. His development is about him taking over the Cotchin role. That's what they want from him but Dimma said they can't play in the same side. Seriously, what the? Best way for the kid to learn that role is to play with Cotchin.
Cotchin had another below par game... time to give the replacement games.
He needs to play seniors.
-
No one can tell me he shouldn't be getting a game instead of Arts ,Ross and George they have had there chances.
-
RCD has always come into seniors and placed twice as good as in VFL. May be an attitude thing. Buy the kid has more talent than most in our midfield we need to invest heavily in RCD
Agree
As I posted in the changes for next week thread
Would actually bring in RCD as well. His development is about him taking over the Cotchin role. That's what they want from him but Dimma said they can't play in the same side. Seriously, what the? Best way for the kid to learn that role is to play with Cotchin.
Cotchin had another below par game... time to give the replacement games.
He needs to play seniors.
Totally agree play alongside Cotchin and learn from him. Very very odd by Dimma and Footy department. Isn't that the theory of keeping a Cotchin on to help kids develop in same side.
-
No one can tell me he shouldn't be getting a game instead of Arts ,Ross and George they have had there chances.
Hugely agree, he must have run over Peggy’s Chihuahua??
-
No one can tell me he shouldn't be getting a game instead of Arts ,Ross and George they have had there chances.
First of all they don’t play in the same position as RCD so it’s not the best comparison of players.
Maybe it’s because he can’t do what they are asking him to do at the required level even playing in the VFL where it’s normally pretty easy to dominate if your any good.
Dow and even Sonsie have already showing they are ahead of him at VFL level and have deserved the call ahead of him.
Time and again we’ve seen in the past players that dominate at vfl but can’t transition to AFL at all and they are a bust. Unfortunately he doesn’t dominate at vfl either so that’s a concern considering his size but the coaches continue to overlook him for selection.
Some players just don’t have it even at VFL level and you’d expect they’d not be able to transition to AFL either considering the jump.
Hopefully he can turn it around because we need better mids especially big bodied ones.
-
not making excuses here but id say it will be very hard for any of our kids to shine in the vfl given the lack of structure and the overall age lack of experienced players around them.
Just a comment like a lot im concerned but when you look at his 9 games and are even handed then its been pretty decent imo.
First and formost look at his game percentage in 5 of the 9 games he has played just 58% to 64% game time. The most is 80% the rest are very low 70%.
The game he played 80% game time he managed 18 disposals 9 of them contested. Laid 7 tackles and won 4 clearances. Kicked 2 goals and had 4 i50 with 1 g/a.
His averages for the 9 games remembering he getting limited time is 14.7 DISPOSALS, 6.3 CONTESTED AND 3.5 TACKLES.
iN THESE GAME HE HAS AT TIMES SHOWN REAL PROMISE.
Sorry caps are now off his last game with just 64% game time amounted to
19 disposals
9 contested possesions
1 tackle
5 clearances
3 inside 50
No way in the world am i writing him off just yet and i feel he should be played in the seniors for now.
-
Sometimes there are players that don’t have a massive impact at VFL level but at the higher level do well.
I got a feeling RCD is one of them, we have nothing to lose giving him a 4-6 week crack at it
-
Sometimes there are players that don’t have a massive impact at VFL level but at the higher level do well.
I got a feeling RCD is one of them, we have nothing to lose giving him a 4-6 week crack at it
This
I’ve always felt like he belonged when playing at AFL level
-
Sometimes there are players that don’t have a massive impact at VFL level but at the higher level do well.
I got a feeling RCD is one of them, we have nothing to lose giving him a 4-6 week crack at it
Agree
-
Some very good points.
Think the knock was on his tank?
I thought he looked the goods at AFL level, and steel in front of goal.
If he doesn't have a big tank then I don't see why he can't rotate forward for a rest at his height!!!
-
Some of our supporters are going after him for no good reason. He hasnt had a chance with a decent run of games and the sad part is when we should have given him games when the likes of cotchin edwards lambert were guring on all cylinders he didnt get a go. Now theyll bring him in, when alk the senior guys are basically done for and our supporters will can him for not being a saviour. We have killed some of our kids so the likes of Castagna and co. Can have their games. Its been disgraceful imho the management of our kids in development.
-
If he got the same opportunities as Dimma has given his pets like Ross, Aarts, McIntosh, Castagna and Graham he'd be a lock in the senior team
-
Sometimes there are players that don’t have a massive impact at VFL level but at the higher level do well.
I got a feeling RCD is one of them, we have nothing to lose giving him a 4-6 week crack at it
Agree
Very Interesting. Any examples anyone can think of this very strange rare phenomenon?
-
Some of our supporters are going after him for no good reason. He hasnt had a chance with a decent run of games and the sad part is when we should have given him games when the likes of cotchin edwards lambert were guring on all cylinders he didnt get a go. Now theyll bring him in, when all the senior guys are basically done for and our supporters will can him for not being a saviour. We have killed some of our kids so the likes of Castagna and co. Can have their games. Its been disgraceful imho the management of our kids in development.
he clearly is not banging the door down or doing enough at VFL level to be given games ahead of Dow or Ross. If the coaches think he has done what’s asked of him and proven himself they will promote him. Dimma has never not given youngsters opportunities when warranted as we’ve seen in the past with Graham, D.Rioli, Townsend, Naish, Menedue, Markov, Gibcus. Stack etc.
And players that weren’t so young but deserved a gig ie. Lambert Caddy etc.
I agree though that since Covid the club has tightened the purse strings so much that development looks as though it’s gone backwards and resembling the Terry Wallace era.
The club needs to reinvest in the footy department especially recruiting and development
-
He has class and poise but to be honest he's not the hardest worker going about and lacks intensity at times. I like his good attributes but I liked Ben Lennon's too
-
My understanding is he has struggled after Covid and had a bad rib injury. He will be fine.. However, I do feel it's time to play these kids regardless as many of our seniors have simply checked out. We love them but a few of them should have just retired instead of taking the money while their efforts are off the AFL mark. I find it unfair when people question this kids work rate when serious questions need to be asked of many of our senior players on Sunday as it was in the last quarter against Carlton. The signs were clear last year but the interrupted preseason became the excuse...
-
i think we give them an out as they delivered us 3 flags and a lot of joy. Well thats my view anyway.
Your point is sound.
Everyone talks about dusty's injury this that, but check out the games prior to that. He was average in plenty of them. If im being serious i knew after we got smashed in round 3 against the swans we were shot.
The biggest mistake the club made was not target ready made mids. I strongly believe had they of done that we may have come close this year or last.
we have nothing in that middle age bracket and we needed to find some to have any chance. RCD is no worse than playing half a dozen players who dont want to be there. Fact.
-
Not sure what Jack Ross has done to deserve all the defending.We don't want him on the outside kicking the ball we want him to get inside, hit opponents with tackles win some bloody clearances and win plenty of contested ball, things he just has not delivered in and the excuses for him are wearing thin.
We need a big inside player and 31 games in Ross does not appear to be the answer. RCD may not be either but give him the opportunity to show what he can do as a mid with good game time, not the paltry 50 - 60 percent game time he constantly gets.
Show some faith in the kids who are yet to be given a proper opportunity its time to find out one way or the other.
Not sure if people are serious when they say we have to be better inside and then defend Ross and Graham and insist we should not even have a look at RCD.Laughably they are alright with these two on the outside.
WE ARE BEING BELTED INSIDE AND WE JUST CANNOT KEEP ON DOING THE SAME THINGS WITH THE SAME PEOPLE IN THE SAME ROLES WEEK IN WEEK OUT. Ross and Graham are giving us very little here and the onus falls back onto the old ones to keep the side competetive and they clearly cannot carry the load anymore especially week in week out.
-
Who defends Jack Ross? Stop talking crap Claw.
He is the worst player I have seen since Jarrad Oakleigh-Nichols.
He should be delisted tomorrow, but he won’t be. What I find laughable is the club ran veterans into the ground as they expected Ross to deliver the goods on the inside or outside. Dow has shown more in a few games in his inside game than Ross.
-
Perhaps we have ran our senior mids into the ground that's a fair point.
-
I really believe we have. I can’t remember who it was but someone had mentioned this and they were 100% right.
We needed cotch to be number 4 by now not number 1 as he was last week against the gws.
Who fills the gaps between 1-4. This is our issue both in age and in quality. We blew our chance for another tilt with this group so now let’s play the kids.
How can we expect to win flags when our vfl is so bad. Successful
Teams have a successful vfl team. Blues Casey currently on top. When we won our flags so were we. Ditto box hill hawks.
Our era is over let’s work on the next one.
-
To be fair injuries and circumstance to the likes of dusty Prestia and lambert are playing a huge role in our demise. Should we be so reliant on dusty Prestia and lambert ? Probably not but that’s another discussion. I would think this year we start to see how our future midfield is going to look. RCD, sonsie, Bolton, Dow maybe ross if he can turn it around.
Gotta be in the market for a big fish midfielder this off season. Tom green come on down !
-
Totally agree. I fear losses like the one to St Kilda are going to become the norm unless we start the rebuilding process. We need to give the younger players on the list opportunities now and the chance to develop. If we don't we are going to face dark times pretty soon.
-
Who defends Jack Ross? Stop talking crap Claw.
He is the worst player I have seen since Jarrad Oakleigh-Nichols.
He should be delisted tomorrow, but he won’t be. What I find laughable is the club ran veterans into the ground as they expected Ross to deliver the goods on the inside or outside. Dow has shown more in a few games in his inside game than Ross.
Sorry FJ was not really targeting posters here was having a go more at people on B/F many of whom think he is going great guns and go to extraoridinary lengths to defend badly under performing players.
-
To be fair injuries and circumstance to the likes of dusty Prestia and lambert are playing a huge role in our demise. Should we be so reliant on dusty Prestia and lambert ? Probably not but that’s another discussion. I would think this year we start to see how our future midfield is going to look. RCD, sonsie, Bolton, Dow maybe ross if he can turn it around.
Gotta be in the market for a big fish midfielder this off season. Tom green come on down !
I agree injuries dont help especially to our two best clearance and contested ball players. Agree again the reliance on the two has been huge.
The gaps in the list are easy to see they are easy to see in all clubs lists. imo we have ignored them to a large degree.
Key fwds big ball winning mids quality inside out mids, to a lesser degree of urgency key defenders and goal kicking small/med/tall fwds.
For me the last draft was the back breaker in these areas. We did very little to address the most glaring ones.
How fortunate that Sonsie actually slipped all the way to us clearly he was not on their radar until he fell into their lap.
One big problem we have, ignoring this years crop which just makes the problem bigger anyway, is the disconnect between games played from the 21 and unders juniors, flowing thru to the 22 to 24 age group development players, to the mature players 24 to 28yrs and the vets 29plus.Failing to get games into the blokes who have been there now for 2 to 5 years just exacerbates this.
RCD falls into this area of concern.
Also the quality and small number of players in the 25 to 28 group mature players in their prime is a huge worry.
We have just 9 players in this group amongst them Aarts, Parker, Castagna, McIntosh who lets be honest you could take or leave em imo they are players we need to upgrade on even if its a small upgrade on each of them.
It only leaves broady at 28yrs, Nankervis, Vlastuin ,Soldo who imo is servicable but wanting in areas. And Short who is servicable but purely outside and i would lump him with the other 4 in the fact that we could look for an upgrade find someone a bit more rounded.
Now that the older heads are struggling this is really the group that should be stepping up and leading the way. Imo only Broad and nank have come to the party and Vlastuin has been injured. Imo this group is small in number and with too many ordinary players is not going to lead us to another flag. here lies one of the real problems.
While winning games made it difficult to play the younger group i dont think we did it well enough. We persevered with players who were obvious candidates for upgrade and it is biting us.
Now that we are sure we won't win the flag and are indeed in decline there are no more excuses to not start playing younger options. It has become super important to start the changing of the guard. Its become super important to close that games played gap from the juniors development players to the rest
We were always a very good team at winning the ball back getting it fwd and locking it in. Have long held the belief of how much better would we have been if we didnt have to win it back so much and how much easier for us it would have been. Lots of things have transpired now that makes hands on ball first paramount and we have never been right up there in this. Losing Prestia is a blow but we really should of had players available to cover the inside role other than Ross who imo may not make it and Collier-Dawkins.That is one shallow basket.
The other criticism is even well before 2017 our succession planning has not been great in key areas. this is really coming home to roost after a successful period.
I actually believe the thinking has been rather than take the bigger punt on bigger players that take longer to develop anyway, we take the safer punt on small player who will develop a hell of a lot quicker and is more likely to offer something especially early. Imo this is what we have done with RCD and continue to do, we have found reasons not to play him which has allowed Hardwick to stick with a pile of ordinary players. Its now laughable that we continue to play Aarts in particular rather than give RCD a decent block of games with decent game time to try and address inside issues.
Why play a bigger bloke who offers little when you can play a small who will give something and compete. Nothing wrong with that at all especially if the bigger blokes have shown they are not up to it.
Thats what we did in 2017 none of the tall fwds we had were ready or good enough not that we had many so went with players like Townsend Caddy Rioli Castagna and Butler with just Jack.
It was never going to be sustainable hence we got Lynch but from 2017 did we even look at a GENUINE tall fwd only Balta and even then we hedged our bets imo. Before Balta you had to go all the way back to 2014 to find a key forward we actually took in the nd that was McKenzie with pick 77 thats some investment in key forwards not.
Imo we failed to a large degree to develop or even take bigger players across all parts of the ground with decent picks imo. Putting too few eggs in too few baskets. I think RCD and Ross are evidence of this they took the two in 2018 the only two big mids we have drafted for yrs and said to themselves we now have it covered and put the que in the rack.
-
I think if we didn’t have Dusty we would have gone full rebuild from this year onwards. The losses have been disappointing but I don’t overly begrudge the club for trying one last roll of the dice with the premiership crop.
At the end of the day the flags make everything worth it. I know Collingwood or gws or even Scott eta Geelong fans would rather net the flags then be making the 8 but not capping off with a flag
-
Probably not relevant but a glimpse at a player that suggests we stay a little bit patient.
That player is Will Brodie. Reason i bring him up is i thought him a good junior and a player we could do with in his draft year.
After 5 seasons at GCS even I gave up the ghost.
A new environment a lot of faith shown in him and all of a sudden it seems he has turned it around.That surmise could be wrong it could just be a purple patch so to speak.
This year 4 games in the 189/89 mid in Brodie has gone at the following.
Disposals 27.0, kicks 11.5, HB 15.5, C/P 14.75, ED 17.2, DE 69.3, clearances 6.25, Tackles 5.5, SI 5.2, i50 4.0. TOG 70.5.
Thats a pretty decent turn around and im just wondering maybe we can hope for similar from RCD. Maybe it will take nothing more than showing a bit of faith and giving him a decent crack at it.
Anyway just a bit of a warning that some do indeed take a fair bit longer to come on. Not sold on RCD by any margin but heres hoping.
-
RCD is in.
-
Let’s go. 4 games atleast. Let’s get a look at our future midfield
-
I’m an RCD fan, gets the pill, uses it well, kicks goals from 50 and now it would seem can defend a stoppage. This kid might be something special if they give him a decent crack at it.
-
I’m an RCD fan, gets the pill, uses it well, kicks goals from 50 and now it would seem can defend a stoppage. This kid might be something special if they give him a decent crack at it.
HRT, have you got rocks in your head?? :lol :lol
It is obvious he is the future, he should play the rest of the year IMVHO,
But he won’t get to play because he is not favoured for some reason.
It’s a mystery. :banghead
-
So why we brought him in not to play in the guts :banghead was moving all over the joint puzzling.
-
Hmm for me the friendship is over. On that game i think we need to cut our losses. At some point along the line all players have to grasp their opportunity and tonight instead of taking the bull by the horns and at least contributing he was a passenger again. Just looked so far off it and its time to move on.
-
Would give him one more game to redeem himself but I dont see him making it.
-
Would give him one more game to redeem himself but I dont see him making it.
At least play his as a mid :whistle
-
Geez give the kid a block of games before you drop him. All the people saying to play the kids and then wanting to drop him after one game :huh
-
Played against best team in comp. Let's see him vs Eagles or a North to see what he's like when given an opportunity.
-
Agree with last 3 posts. The least we can do
-
When a midfield player struggles to win possessions consistently in the VFL it’s gonna be very tough in the AFL level. One reasonable game in the VFL in 5 isn’t good enough for a midfielder especially one who has been in the system for 3 years.
IMO, he hadn’t earned an AFL game. I personally would’ve liked to see him string a few good games in the VFL before giving him a game but what do I know
But let’s just play the kids and gift them games and teach them nothing like we used to do for 37 years. :rollin
-
Was almost invisible tonight.I want them to give him a go but gee he would want to improve on tonight.
-
When a midfield player struggles to win possessions consistently in the VFL it’s gonna be very tough in the AFL level. One reasonable game in the VFL in 5 isn’t good enough for a midfielder especially one who has been in the system for 3 years.
IMO, he hadn’t earned an AFL game. I personally would’ve liked to see him string a few good games in the VFL before giving him a game but what do I know
But let’s just play the kids and gift them games and teach them nothing like we used to do for 37 years. :rollin
What’s the alternative ? Play edwards ? We’ve got to look forward. Give them a trial and if it’s no good then we know.
-
There were several significantly more experienced players who performed worse than RCD tonight. But sure let’s drop the kid after a single game (against the best team in the competition mind you).
-
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH GIVE UP
-
It's his 4th year....
-
When a midfield player struggles to win possessions consistently in the VFL it’s gonna be very tough in the AFL level. One reasonable game in the VFL in 5 isn’t good enough for a midfielder especially one who has been in the system for 3 years.
IMO, he hadn’t earned an AFL game. I personally would’ve liked to see him string a few good games in the VFL before giving him a game but what do I know
But let’s just play the kids and gift them games and teach them nothing like we used to do for 37 years. :rollin
What’s the alternative ? Play edwards ? We’ve got to look forward. Give them a trial and if it’s no good then we know.
Don’t play players in the senior team that don’t deserve the jumper.
Our older players may be getting on but they’ve paid their dues and bled for the club and given us three premiership cups.
Gift games to youngsters that haven’t proven their value by busting their arse in the 2’s and your teaching them it’s ok to be ordinary but your going to be promoted anyway.
That sort of rubbish breeds bad culture and we all know what bad culture got us.
We should never accept mediocrity and demand excellence from our newbies. It’s shouldn’t be easy to wear the great Richmond jumper.
Our recruiters and list managers have dropped the ball and by the looks of our vfl team our development has also suffered.
-
We won’t have much choice but to play a couple of kids who are not ready and don’t deserve a promotion throughout the year as we may be going to lose half a dozen players next year, if the kids don’t show enough they will be moved on. The choice is to blood some kids with senior support or have half a dozen kids in the seniors who have player none or 1 or 2 games next year.
-
His is an inside mid
Buy let's play him wing, HF, HB anywhere but in the middle :banghead
Play the kids people scream
Drop him after 1 game they scream
Not sure what it is proper want
Want to pot anyone at the minute pot our coaches, fitness people, senior players and our on field leaders. They've been there the entire 6 rounds and they the ones letting us down
-
Lol , wow we lost to a side who is undefeated and reigning premiers by a bit over 3 goals. We put enough pressure on to partly force 22 points and were leading a couple of times in the game.
The loss leads to some to continue their campaign to replace their favourite scape goat which maybe warranted but generally not.
Can’t wait for us to lose by 10 goals to a bottom side .
-
When a midfield player struggles to win possessions consistently in the VFL it’s gonna be very tough in the AFL level. One reasonable game in the VFL in 5 isn’t good enough for a midfielder especially one who has been in the system for 3 years.
IMO, he hadn’t earned an AFL game. I personally would’ve liked to see him string a few good games in the VFL before giving him a game but what do I know
But let’s just play the kids and gift them games and teach them nothing like we used to do for 37 years. :rollin
What’s the alternative ? Play edwards ? We’ve got to look forward. Give them a trial and if it’s no good then we know.
Don’t play players in the senior team that don’t deserve the jumper.
Our older players may be getting on but they’ve paid their dues and bled for the club and given us three premiership cups.
Gift games to youngsters that haven’t proven their value by busting their arse in the 2’s and your teaching them it’s ok to be ordinary but your going to be promoted anyway.
That sort of rubbish breeds bad culture and we all know what bad culture got us.
We should never accept mediocrity and demand excellence from our newbies. It’s shouldn’t be easy to wear the great Richmond jumper.
Our recruiters and list managers have dropped the ball and by the looks of our vfl team our development has also suffered.
keep saying it but continually picking blokes who underperform is also gifting games.Its okay keep playing badly we won't drop you your a favorite.
Much harder for the kids to shine in the two's there is a wide acknowledment that there are few mature players and the structure is poor.
-
When a midfield player struggles to win possessions consistently in the VFL it’s gonna be very tough in the AFL level. One reasonable game in the VFL in 5 isn’t good enough for a midfielder especially one who has been in the system for 3 years.
IMO, he hadn’t earned an AFL game. I personally would’ve liked to see him string a few good games in the VFL before giving him a game but what do I know
But let’s just play the kids and gift them games and teach them nothing like we used to do for 37 years. :rollin
What’s the alternative ? Play edwards ? We’ve got to look forward. Give them a trial and if it’s no good then we know.
Don’t play players in the senior team that don’t deserve the jumper.
Our older players may be getting on but they’ve paid their dues and bled for the club and given us three premiership cups.
Gift games to youngsters that haven’t proven their value by busting their arse in the 2’s and your teaching them it’s ok to be ordinary but your going to be promoted anyway.
That sort of rubbish breeds bad culture and we all know what bad culture got us.
We should never accept mediocrity and demand excellence from our newbies. It’s shouldn’t be easy to wear the great Richmond jumper.
Our recruiters and list managers have dropped the ball and by the looks of our vfl team our development has also suffered.
keep saying it but continually picking blokes who underperform is also gifting games.Its okay keep playing badly we won't drop you your a favorite.
Much harder for the kids to shine in the two's there is a wide acknowledment that there are few mature players and the structure is poor.
rubbish! What a load of crap.
If the kids work hard they can succeed. We need to stop being soft with these kids and demand more consistency. If not we’ll be back a middling team thinking 9th is a successful season. :rollin
-
Set up to fail unfortunately. He deserves a chance - it's no easy task coming into the side after yonks and facing Petracca, Oliver, Harmes, Dunstan...much bigger bodies and experience. Its a bit different to s VFL midfield. See how he goes in the next month.
-
Set up to fail unfortunately. He deserves a chance - it's no easy task coming into the side after yonks and facing Petracca, Oliver, Harmes, Dunstan...much bigger bodies and experience. Its a bit different to s VFL midfield. See how he goes in the next month.
Unfortunately he also struggles against VFL mids most weeks and only very occasionally comes out on top.
-
Agree ,put it down to a learning experience as to play him against the Leagues best and expect him to dominate would be unrealistic
-
Definitely needs time. Agree needs to be played as an inside mid. To expect him to outplay vastly more experienced midfielders like Oliver is unrealistic. Oliver is at the peak of his career.
-
His is an inside mid
Buy let's play him wing, HF, HB anywhere but in the middle :banghead
Play the kids people scream
Drop him after 1 game they scream
Not sure what it is proper want
Want to pot anyone at the minute pot our coaches, fitness people, senior players and our on field leaders. They've been there the entire 6 rounds and they the ones letting us down
but you say Mcintosh is fine because of the role he plays for the coaches, yet those same coaches are at fault for RCDs development?
Thats a bit of a conundrum for you I reckon... :shh
-
but you say Mcintosh is fine because of the role he plays for the coaches, yet those same coaches are at fault for RCDs development?
Thats a bit of a conundrum for you I reckon... :shh
Actually think the conundrum is on you
You've just just further my highlighted my point! Thanks for bringing it up :bow
McIntosh has a role, a role that the coaches spent a helluva lot of development time into him to play. And guess what? They get him to play that position/role week after week
They have spent 4 years now developing RCD to play as inside mid. The Senior 3 time premiership coach has even said publicly that the plan is for him to take over the Cotchin role. So when he's selected is he not played in that role?
-
No, it's still on you.
Either you have confidence in the coaches to develop players or you don't. And Mcintosh is a fine example of your judgement not always being the best regardless of RCD... :shh
-
RCD is coming along nicely.
We need to peresevere with home, he did some nice things v melbourne.
McIntosh is a superb athlete and fulfills his role.
-
When a midfield player struggles to win possessions consistently in the VFL it’s gonna be very tough in the AFL level. One reasonable game in the VFL in 5 isn’t good enough for a midfielder especially one who has been in the system for 3 years.
IMO, he hadn’t earned an AFL game. I personally would’ve liked to see him string a few good games in the VFL before giving him a game but what do I know
But let’s just play the kids and gift them games and teach them nothing like we used to do for 37 years. :rollin
What’s the alternative ? Play edwards ? We’ve got to look forward. Give them a trial and if it’s no good then we know.
Don’t play players in the senior team that don’t deserve the jumper.
Our older players may be getting on but they’ve paid their dues and bled for the club and given us three premiership cups.
Gift games to youngsters that haven’t proven their value by busting their arse in the 2’s and your teaching them it’s ok to be ordinary but your going to be promoted anyway.
That sort of rubbish breeds bad culture and we all know what bad culture got us.
We should never accept mediocrity and demand excellence from our newbies. It’s shouldn’t be easy to wear the great Richmond jumper.
Our recruiters and list managers have dropped the ball and by the looks of our vfl team our development has also suffered.
keep saying it but continually picking blokes who underperform is also gifting games.Its okay keep playing badly we won't drop you your a favorite.
Much harder for the kids to shine in the two's there is a wide acknowledment that there are few mature players and the structure is poor.
rubbish! What a load of crap.
If the kids work hard they can succeed. We need to stop being soft with these kids and demand more consistency. If not we’ll be back a middling team thinking 9th is a successful season. :rollin
So picking underperforming horrible skilled players week after week is not gifting games. What a load of crap and well done way to ignore it because it doesnt fit with your narrative.
Its a fact the two,s have very few mature players it mostly a side of 22 and unders. Its also a fact there is little structure.
Despite that some of the kids have performed well and should be getting games instead of us putting up with passengers week after week or putting up with blokes whose skills are clearly not up to it.Whats that saying the epitimy of madness is to do the same thing over and over.
-
Play him next block of 3 games let's see what his got either he makes it or it's a bust by years end.
-
Not writing him off but he was shaky and fumbly all night against the Dees.
Maybe a run of games at senior level will help this.
If not - cant see him staying on the list regardless of what post Cotchin plans they might have.
-
He is just a kid who should be playing a support role to the experienced players whilst he learns the trade.
To expect the kids to be stars straight away is unrealistic unless they are too 5 picks. If we don’t start introducing some kids into the side and giving them a run , we will end up putting all the kids in at once without the bigger experienced players to support them and be like GWS in the early days or go out an recruit a whole lot of rejects and end up like the 30 years of being in no mans land.
No panic , but sensible rotations are required.
-
When a midfield player struggles to win possessions consistently in the VFL it’s gonna be very tough in the AFL level. One reasonable game in the VFL in 5 isn’t good enough for a midfielder especially one who has been in the system for 3 years.
IMO, he hadn’t earned an AFL game. I personally would’ve liked to see him string a few good games in the VFL before giving him a game but what do I know
But let’s just play the kids and gift them games and teach them nothing like we used to do for 37 years. :rollin
What’s the alternative ? Play edwards ? We’ve got to look forward. Give them a trial and if it’s no good then we know.
Don’t play players in the senior team that don’t deserve the jumper.
Our older players may be getting on but they’ve paid their dues and bled for the club and given us three premiership cups.
Gift games to youngsters that haven’t proven their value by busting their arse in the 2’s and your teaching them it’s ok to be ordinary but your going to be promoted anyway.
That sort of rubbish breeds bad culture and we all know what bad culture got us.
We should never accept mediocrity and demand excellence from our newbies. It’s shouldn’t be easy to wear the great Richmond jumper.
Our recruiters and list managers have dropped the ball and by the looks of our vfl team our development has also suffered.
keep saying it but continually picking blokes who underperform is also gifting games.Its okay keep playing badly we won't drop you your a favorite.
Much harder for the kids to shine in the two's there is a wide acknowledment that there are few mature players and the structure is poor.
rubbish! What a load of crap.
If the kids work hard they can succeed. We need to stop being soft with these kids and demand more consistency. If not we’ll be back a middling team thinking 9th is a successful season. :rollin
So picking underperforming horrible skilled players week after week is not gifting games. What a load of crap and well done way to ignore it because it doesnt fit with your narrative.
Its a fact the two,s have very few mature players it mostly a side of 22 and unders. Its also a fact there is little structure.
Despite that some of the kids have performed well and should be getting games instead of us putting up with passengers week after week or putting up with blokes whose skills are clearly not up to it.Whats that saying the epitimy of madness is to do the same thing over and over.
You are correct when you say our VFL had very few mature players yes I agree but the structure is still based on the “Richmond way” despite the lack of execution for 4 quarter considering the age demographic.
Some kids are performing well and deserve a spot ie. Mansell, Gibcus but others I feel need to get consistency in performance to keep high standards and foster good culture ie. RCD, Sonsie, Clarke, Browne etc.
Of those seemingly underperforming “passengers” in the Senior team, well I agree but only with those players who haven’t done the hard yards and have premiership medals ie. Ross, Aarts, Tarrant and any other newbie (exactly the players who have been dropped at times this year)
The reason is to not make it easy for these players who will hopefully replace the elder statesmen in due coarse but if the club makes it too easy for them to earn a senior recall then it’s doing nothing but fostering mediocrity like we experienced for many years prior to our current success.
The underperforming elder statesman ie. Edwards, Castagna (as much as I don’t like him), Baker etc. have all done the hard yards and deserve some leniency (which inevitably won’t last forever).
Unfortunately Riewoldt, Lynch and Balta is all we have as forward options because we don’t have anyone coming through to replace them.
I would however persist with Miller ahead of Tarrant considering the latter has no history with us either and Miller has done reasonably well at both levels and deserves games unlike Tarrant.
As you have rightly pointed out ad nauseam, that our team management has been poor and something must be done to rectify the age and experience demographic.
I agree with your points but I don’t agree that the promotion of youngsters should be done to the detriment of good culture. Bad culture is a disease that is very very hard to rectify
And everything should be done to keep fostering a good culture that has been established especially in relation to our recent success and the careers of our greats coming to the end.
-
RCD's second game back. What did we think of his game last night?
16 disposals (5k, 11h, 7c, 9u, 68.8% eff.)
2 marks
4 tackles
5 clearances (2 centre clearances)
1 inside 50
1 intercept
134 metres gained
2 score involvements
1 goal assist
82% time on ground
-
Nowhere near enough to keep Cotch and Dusty out.
-
Leave him in the team. We need to build his confidence.
-
Nowhere near enough to keep Cotch and Dusty out.
:thumbsdown :thumbsdown :thumbsdown
-
Leave him in the team. We need to build his confidence.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
-
Did some good things. Hopefully holds his place.
-
They've given Ross multiple chance this season
Need to give him a run of games even as the sub
-
Correct
-
Played a team game, did the 1% things well . Great to learning experience for him and the other young guys tonight under the leadership of some of the older blokes
-
Still very young.
A keeper
Needs a few games in a row, without fear of failure!
-
He was given that last year 6 games in a row, he played 9 games last year averaging 14 disposals 3 of which were clangers.
At some stage we need to try him as a medium forward because he has no natural ball sense that midfielders have.
-
And Cotchin averaged 16 disposals in his first season of which I’m sure a few of them would have been clangers.
-
And Cotchin averaged 16 disposals in his first season of which I’m sure a few of them would have been clangers.
RCD in his 4th year tho
-
True but was his first year playing at AFL level. Wasn’t saying it to compare him to cotch, just an example not to write off someone with low disposal counts after 10 games.
-
I know, but 18yo cotch with 0 years in the AFL system
Vs
21yo RCD with 3 whole years in the AFL system
I'd expect more from RCD based off that, but then we need to remember cotch was pick 2 and RCD was 20. Worlds apart there.
-
They play different positions but I want to reman optimistic with rcd and the comparison I like to make is luke hodge. It took him 3 full seasons before finding his feet at AFL level.
I have hawthorn supporter friends and they were all screaming to delist/trade hodge in the first 3 seasons. I’m hoping RCD is a similar slow burn
-
Unsure on RCD - uses the ball well, is strong, but just doesnt find the ball enough yet. Even at VFL level.
Others eg Sonsie and Clarke, may go past him pretty quickly.
Will be interesting.
-
yep he seems to lack that innate ability to find the footy which is hard to teach.
-
Unsure on RCD - uses the ball well, is strong, but just doesnt find the ball enough yet. Even at VFL level.
Others eg Sonsie and Clarke, may go past him pretty quickly.
Will be interesting.
Hodge had a high footy IQ and a lethal left foot so already had AFL traits, just had to get the tank right.
RCD has the tank now (14.2 kms covered in Perth game) but what are his AFL traits?
-
RCD had the most centre bounce attendances for us against the Eagles.
Richmond – Riley Collier-Dawkins 27, Jayden Short 23, Dion Prestia 20, Toby Nankervis 20, Shai Bolton 17, Ivan Soldo 17, Jack Ross 8, Jack Graham 7, Shane Edwards 6, Sydney Stack 3.
http://supercoachtalk.com/cbas-and-kick-ins-rd-7
-
Dimma today said RCD played his best game for us last week. So it doesn't sound like he will be dropped.
-
Dimma today said RCD played his best game for us last week. So it doesn't sound like he will be dropped.
Really? Low metres gained, low number of kicks....could it be he possibly played role he was given. You know inside mid getting the ball out to others (like Short) to kick it long inside 50?
-
Dimma today said RCD played his best game for us last week. So it doesn't sound like he will be dropped.
Really? Low metres gained, low number of kicks....could it be he possibly played role he was given. You know inside mid getting the ball out to others (like Short) to kick it long inside 50?
I agree wonders will never cease. He was one i at least tried to keep an eye on and thought he did okay.
The only concern i continue to have is the good inside mids manage to get a whole pile of ball, It has not really happened with Riley.
-
He did a really bump in the third quarter against the Eagles.
-
Dimma today said RCD played his best game for us last week. So it doesn't sound like he will be dropped.
Really? Low metres gained, low number of kicks....could it be he possibly played role he was given. You know inside mid getting the ball out to others (like Short) to kick it long inside 50?
RCD had the most centre bounce attendees of any Richmond player (27)
Does anyone know the stat on how many of the 19 centre clearances he helped orchestrate by feeding the ball to the clearance players ie. Short, Bolton, Prestia, Edwards?
It would be a useful stat like ruck taps to advantage.
-
RCD had the most centre bounce attendances for us against the Eagles.
Richmond – Riley Collier-Dawkins 27, Jayden Short 23, Dion Prestia 20, Toby Nankervis 20, Shai Bolton 17, Ivan Soldo 17, Jack Ross 8, Jack Graham 7, Shane Edwards 6, Sydney Stack 3.
http://supercoachtalk.com/cbas-and-kick-ins-rd-7
Hmm he attended 27 times if that is the case he had just 2 cc and 3 sc for the game the week before didnt register a clearance.
Combined with low disposal numbers 10 the week before and 16 last week with good game time and i can understand why people are asking questions.
It is time for him to show he belongsbut imo that needs to happen with a solid block of games with good game time in the right role.
-
Bust. Move on.
-
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/screenshot_20220920_115823-jpg.1513320/)
https://www.instagram.com/stories/rileycollierdawkins/2931111610128726250/?hl=en
-
Well this is a good start to the off season. Hard work does not come naturally to RCD.
-
Well this is a good start to the off season. Hard work does not come naturally to RCD.
It may not come naturally but it doesn't mean he doesn't work hard.
-
Probably better arguing his work rate to a VFL coach.
Funnily enough, did go over his stats at AFL level recently. Did get a decent amount of ball for the time he was on the ground.
Gotta be real though, he's got very little hope of breaking into our midfield next year. He'd be gone surely?
-
Well this is a good start to the off season. Hard work does not come naturally to RCD.
It may not come naturally but it doesn't mean he doesn't work hard.
He is not working hard enough WP. I know this to be true.
-
He is not working hard enough WP. I know this to be true.
Fair enough The Machine I'll take your word for it
But that's not what I've been told
-
He is not working hard enough WP. I know this to be true.
Fair enough The Machine I'll take your word for it
But that's not what I've been told
Nevertheless, if he retains a list spot he will need to work harder than never before. An interesting watch.
-
He is not working hard enough WP. I know this to be true.
Fair enough The Machine I'll take your word for it
But that's not what I've been told
Nevertheless, if he retains a list spot he will need to work harder than never before. An interesting watch.
I think he will be traded
IMHO it is in his best interests to be traded
-
He is not working hard enough WP. I know this to be true.
Fair enough The Machine I'll take your word for it
But that's not what I've been told
Nevertheless, if he retains a list spot he will need to work harder than never before. An interesting watch.
I think he will be traded
IMHO it is in his best interests to be traded
Will be lucky to get a half eaten packet of twisties sadly
That’s our fault for not playing him more often
-
Will be lucky to get a half eaten packet of twisties sadly
That’s our fault for not playing him more often
Few clubs are interested.
Reckon if he's not part of the Hopper/Tarranto trades then you're looking at a late 2nd rounder
-
Could not see us getting a pick better than 60 odd for him to be honest. Surprised anyone would trade for him given we never play him.
-
Will be lucky to get a half eaten packet of twisties sadly
That’s our fault for not playing him more often
Few clubs are interested.
Reckon if he's not part of the Hopper/Tarranto trades then you're looking at a late 2nd rounder
Late 2nd???
WOW 😮
Take that and RUN
-
He earnt a spot, something doesn’t stack up , so suspect there more to the story
-
According to some, having gay parents means he doesn’t respect males in positions of authority. Seems to make sense. ::)
-
According to some, having gay parents means he doesn’t respect males in positions of authority. Seems to make sense. ::)
Very strange awkward post
-
According to some, having gay parents means he doesn’t respect males in positions of authority. Seems to make sense. ::)
Very strange awkward post
That’s what was posted.
-
Yeah I posted it and I stand by it. I said it was a possibility not a fact so don’t misconstrue it.
-
Yeah I posted it and I stand by it. I said it was a possibility not a fact so don’t misconstrue it.
That’s why I say “according to some” - implies an opinion.
-
Garry Lyon also threw up former Tiger Riley Collier-Dawkins as one who deserves another chance.
After being drafted in 2018, Collier-Dawkins took more than two years to break into the Tigers' side before playing nine games in 2021.
But the midfielder managed just two appearances in 2022, and the writing was on the wall when Richmond recruited Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper in the trade period.
“Riley Collier-Dawkins is a player that I’ve liked and did like when he’s in his VFL time,” Lyon added.
“They flirted with him in the middle of the ground and played him and they would say they gave him an opportunity, we know how deep they are with Taranto and Hopper coming into the side.
“I think he would be someone who might be worth at least a pre-season to see if he can slot in or not.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/18/cornes-and-lyon-name-the-delisted-free-agents-who-could-get-another-shot/
-
Riley Collier-Dawkins (Richmond)
Collier-Dawkins was taken with pick No.20 in the 2018 draft, but simply couldn’t get regular game time at senior level, with just two games in 2022 after nine in 2021. He’s a tall midfielder and at 22 years of age could take some time to fill out and hit his full potential. He has attracted some interest from rival clubs. It’s hard to know whether that interest will result in a list spot given we’ve seen so little from him in a side whose midfield depth wasn’t that great prior to bringing in Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-delisted-free-agents-who-deserve-second-chance-trade-period-afl-draft-veterans-on-market-analysis/news-story/521e3dc2d7e0ea1db6323a55b82eeb99
-
Delisted free agency has begun today, with footballers around the country hoping to learn if they'll be given a second chance in the AFL. After being dumped from the Tigers, Riley Collier-Dawkins is determined to prove his knockers wrong.
@cleary_mitch @7AFL #7NEWS
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1588077270249353216
-
Delisted free agency has begun today, with footballers around the country hoping to learn if they'll be given a second chance in the AFL. After being dumped from the Tigers, Riley Collier-Dawkins is determined to prove his knockers wrong.
@cleary_mitch @7AFL #7NEWS
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1588077270249353216
Why didn’t he put on that muscle 3 years ago??
-
Probably his dismissive nature toward heterosexual men who coach the team ::)
-
I actually think he'll get picked up.
Shame we didn't play him more and persist. Beautiful kicking action. Feel like he'd have made a good medium half forward like Caddy.
-
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgrH-7_VEAAWY4K?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1588301840512212993
-------------------------------------------------------------
DELISTED TIGER HAS RENEWED HOPE FOR AFL LIFELINE AFTER PRELIMINARY INTEREST
By Seb Mottram
SEN
4 November 2022
Riley Collier-Dawkins remains a chance to find a new AFL home, with the delisted Richmond midfielder receiving interest from a “fair few clubs”.
The former first-round pick barely got going in his four years at the Tigers, managing 11 games and just two in 2022.
With the club’s acquisition of ex-GWS duo Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper, there was no room for the 22-year-old on Richmond’s list when he was among four delistings.
But speaking to 7 News, Collier-Dawkins says he’s packed on several kilograms and is keen to continue his AFL journey.
“I’ve got a desire to play at the best level and see how good I can be, I’m taking every measure and every day is an opportunity to get better,” he stated.
“I certainly have felt and got some evidence to take out of it (Richmond career) that I can do it and know what it takes to get there… I’ve got a lot of speed and power and I think that’s something in the modern game that separates the good teams from the best teams.”
After being taken with pick 20 in the 2018 National Draft, Collier-Dawkins' best performance in the black and yellow came in Round 23, 2021 when collecting 19 disposals, five clearances, three inside 50s and three marks playing a hard-running role in the midfield.
Collier-Dawkins played nine games that campaign to suggest he wasn’t far away from breaking into the best 22 on a permanent basis.
But 2021 draftee Tyler Sonsie featured in the Tigers’ last seven games of 2022, while Jack Ross was also preferred to Collier-Dawkins as a depth option.
However, Collier-Dawkins is hoping his runs on the board hold him in good stead for a new contract elsewhere.
“There’s preliminary discussions with a fair few clubs which has given me a lot of hope, but until something’s official obviously you never know… I'm just going to be ready no matter what,” he added.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/11/04/delisted-tiger-has-renewed-hope-for-afl-lifeline-after-preliminary-interest/
-
The issue for RCD if he wants to play full-time in any side's midfield is his tank and his ability to consistently find the ball from week to week. Being a former top 20 pick and turning 23 early next year, he will probably be given a second chance.
-
Yep unfortunately he has no work rate and spectates too much. Even an old junior coach of Riley said to me recently that he had been following Riley but knew he wouldn't make it after watching him play a few games earlier in the year.
"Quote "He has all the skills needed but just wouldn't gut run to the next contest"
Very sad and frustrating. Hopefully for his own sake this delisting might be a good wake up call for Riley before he gets another AFL chance. It is however disappointing that we were unable to correct his lazy attitude. I guess that's exactly why he got delisted.
-
I’m not as sure as you guys that he’ll get another chance. Had a very good 6 or so weeks in the vfl where he was finally able to perform consistently at a high level but as I’ve said before there are many players who do that week in week out.
-
BROWNLOW MEDALLIST EXPECTS DELISTED TIGER TO GET SECOND CHANCE
By Lachlan Geleit
SEN
10 November 2022
Riley Collier-Dawkins will hope to receive an AFL lifeline in 2023 after being delisted by Richmond.
The 22-year-old played 11 games for the Tigers after being taken as a first-round selection in the 2018 National Draft, failing to ever lock down a spot in the senior team.
While Collier-Dawkins never made a big impact at Punt Road, AFL Media’s Cal Twomey thinks his strong pedigree could see him earn an opportunity elsewhere as a “train-on prospect”.
“He was a first-round pick from the super draft in 2018, he just hasn’t been able to get going,” Twomey said on SEN Sportsday.
“I think it was the landing of (Tim) Taranto and (Jacob) Hopper in that midfield that squeezed him out.
“I think there’s something there to work with, I think clubs will have a look at it.
“For me, he’s more likely to be a pre-season train-on prospect, and we’ll see a bit of that.
“Players will come and get an opportunity with clubs in December and over January to prove their worth through that time for clubs to use a rookie spot on you.”
Brownlow Medallist Gerard Healy was also bullish about Collier-Dawkins’ future, expecting a rival club to take a punt on the midfielder given what he showed in his short time at Tigerland.
“He’s had some good moves,” Healy said.
“He looks to me like he should be playing on a list, he looks to me like there’s a dead-set career ahead of him.
“We don’t know the inside and why he hasn’t nailed it just yet, but if you’re a first-rounder and you’ve got the athleticism he has, surely someone takes a punt on him.”
While Collier-Dawkins made just two senior appearances last season, he impressed in the VFL averaging 21.1 disposals and 5.4 tackles from 16 games.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/11/09/brownlow-medallist-expects-delisted-tiger-to-get-second-chance/
-
Former Richmond midfielder Riley Collier-Dawkins has flocked to South Australia to continue his football career, joining SANFL side Woodville-West Torrens.
https://www.zerohanger.com/unlucky-ex-tiger-riley-collier-dawkins-joins-sanfl-side-woodville-west-torrens-news-130441/
-
So he’s not getting picked up?
-
So he’s not getting picked up?
Guess not.
Maybe gearing up for MSD chances.
-
So he’s not getting picked up?
Read the article
Only going to WWT if he doesn't get picked up