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Title: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: one-eyed on November 26, 2018, 01:20:01 AM
How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?

INS:

Free Agency

Tom Lynch: Key Forward, 199 cm, 99 kg, Gold Coast.

Pre-season supplemental selection

Maverick Weller: Midfield/Forward, 182 cm, 87 kg, St Kilda.

National Draft

20. Riley Collier-Dawkins: Midfielder, 190cm, 91kg, Oakleigh Chargers.

43. Jack Ross: Midfielder, 186cm, 85kg, Oakleigh Chargers.

58. Fraser Turner: Midfielder, 186cm, 77kg, Clarence.

62. Luke English: Midfielder, 183cm, 80kg, Perth.

Rookie Draft

16. Jake Aarts: Forward, 180cm, 76kg, Richmond VFL.

32. Jacob Townsend: Re-listed.

45. Mabior Chol: Re-listed.

Pre-season supplemental selection

Sydney Stack: Utility, 179cm, 72kg, Perth.

Future picks

2019 round three draft selection from Gold Coast (via Miles-Ellis trade)
2019 round four draft selection from Geelong via National draft

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OUTS:

Our 2019 round three draft selection to Gold Coast (via Miles-Ellis trade)
Anthony Miles (trade to Suns)
Corey Ellis (trade to Suns)
Reece Conca (trade to Freo)
Tyson Stengle (trade to Crows)
Sam Lloyd (trade to Dogs)
Nathan Drummond (delisted)
Ben Griffiths (retired)
Shaun Hampson (retired)
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: one-eyed on November 26, 2018, 01:29:14 AM
Buckenara says:
The Tigers weren’t big players but have got a really nice player in Riley Collier-Dawkins at pick No.20. He slipped slightly down the draft order but should be a really good pick-up and can definitely play some senior footy next year. He’s the modern-day midfield prototype as he’s both tall and has some size about him at 190cm and 91kg, and can go forward to be a dangerous target and kick goals. Jack Ross is a midfielder who had a fairly consistent season with Oakleigh and excels at stoppages, while Fraser Turner and Luke English are outside players with elite endurance who win plenty of the ball. Those three are development players, so Richmond fans might have to wait a little while to see what they can produce at AFL level.

Buckenara’s verdict:
Richmond has drafted a bit of this and a bit of that, which reflects the balanced nature of the club’s list at the moment. It was a surprise to not see them draft a ruckman out of one of the state leagues to add depth behind Toby Nankervis.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/recruiter-gary-buckenara-analyses-every-clubs-2018-draft-haul/news-story/e5b98ed38bc8c4b14a487db6e789a400

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GILBERT GARDINER SAYS: Got an absolute gem in Riley Collier-Dawkins and the scariest part - for the rest of the competition - is the tall and explosive midfielder likened to Marcus Bontempelli and Patrick Cripps hasn’t stopped growing yet.

Big-bodied midfielder Jack Ross is ready to go, while running machine Fraser Turner is sure to keep Tigers wingmen Brandon Ellis and Kamdyn McIntosh honest.

Hard-working inside midfielder English, who won the 2017 Jack Clarke Medal as the best player in the WAFL colts as a bottom-ager, has been compared to Brownlow Medallist Matt Priddis.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/we-analyse-every-clubs-draft-picks-and-which-players-are-ready-to-step-up-for-round-1-2019/news-story/c2e46bb9b5b2bc1245496ae41ea47964
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 26, 2018, 08:16:50 AM
From limited picks, I think we've done as well as I could have hoped although one extra ruck is the glaring omission.

The players we have drafted cover those we lost and I think have bigger upside.

If we can get Stack and sort him out, that would be the icing on the cake and could set us up for midfield depth for years to come.

Matt Clarke's signature is starting to show a distinct difference to Jackson's. There seems to be more flair and better research into the players than there was before. He does have far better resources though at his disposal.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Rampsation on November 26, 2018, 09:02:53 AM
What happened to Harry Dear. I remember him in last seasons pre season he was pretty good. I thought we should give him a chance in terms of a second ruck.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: the claw on November 26, 2018, 10:47:15 AM
over the moon with the type of  players we took and considering the picks we had did well.

We  needed mids and we took them and most pleasing is we took mids with size about them or will develop into a good size.

The only disappointing thing about the whole trade draft period was our inability to get some more picks higher in this draft. Sometimes that is not in our control as it takes two to deal.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on November 26, 2018, 10:50:13 AM
over the moon with the type of  players we took and considering the picks we had did well.

We  needed mids and we took them and most pleasing is we took mids with size about them or will develop into a good size.

The only disappointing thing about the whole trade draft period was our inability to get some more picks higher in this draft. Sometimes that is not in our control as it takes two to deal.

 :clapping
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 26, 2018, 11:11:41 AM
over the moon with the type of  players we took and considering the picks we had did well.

We  needed mids and we took them and most pleasing is we took mids with size about them or will develop into a good size.

The only disappointing thing about the whole trade draft period was our inability to get some more picks higher in this draft. Sometimes that is not in our control as it takes two to deal.
:gobdrop
 :clapping
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on November 26, 2018, 11:30:48 AM
Bojangleburg has hacked into his account
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Diocletian on November 26, 2018, 06:09:59 PM
Believe it or not claw's walking on air.... :dancing

 :shh
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 26, 2018, 07:37:29 PM
Believe it or not claw's walking on air.... :dancing

 :shh
He's certainly not America's Australia's greatest hero..... :shh
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: one-eyed on November 28, 2018, 03:18:28 PM
Chris Doerre
ESPN
28 Nov 2018


Solid effort

Richmond


Securing Riley Collier-Dawkins was arguably the bargain get of the first round, as Richmond has acquired a 192cm ball-winning midfielder who bursts away from stoppages and possesses clean skills. In addition, the Tigers also selected Jack Ross, who is an impressive contested ball winner with clean skills.

Fraser Turner was one of the Allies' most productive during the Under-18 Championships, while Luke English built a reputation for racking up the ball in the WAFL Colts through the midfield. Jake Aarts as a mature age prospects is a forward pressure specialist.

Grade: B+

http://africa.espn.com/afl/story/_/id/25356894/afl-draft-2018-chris-doerre-winners-losers
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: georgies31 on November 28, 2018, 04:22:31 PM
Addressed what we needed to inside midfielders and a nice runner to in Turner.English could suprise I reckon.Maybe a backup ruck was needed.Even if we get Stack still one spot available correct guys.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on November 28, 2018, 06:05:22 PM
Addressed what we needed to inside midfielders and a nice runner to in Turner.English could suprise I reckon.Maybe a backup ruck was needed.Even if we get Stack still one spot available correct guys.

Based on what dios been saying, stack would take our last spot as we’ve also already committed to taking Weller.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Diocletian on November 28, 2018, 10:05:38 PM
Correct- Stack will take the final list spot if we draft him, will give us 38 senior listed players 6  rookie listed players - Baker, Townsend, Chol, Aarts, Weller & Stack ( Cat B rookie Eggmayonnaise not included ) :shh
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: the claw on December 02, 2018, 09:39:05 PM
if we had taken an Ian Hill type with our first pick id have been very cranky.
This draft was so deep for all sorts we have a plethora of, The  Ian Hills types we have plenty of  and it really was the draft to ignore best available, ( that is if the club thought Hill best available)  to a degree and address real needs because of how even this draft was around our pick 20.

We took the player with potentially the best upside who met our greatest need despite him obviously not being the best performed or most consistent junior available.But if he makes it he will meet our greatest need.

Personally my heart was set on Ely Smith i dunno he just looks like a super power athlete and yep he too had not had the performance runs on the board imo.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: RedanTiger on December 02, 2018, 11:02:20 PM
If we're including trades then I would have preferred to trade in Roughead for Lloyd as it would have given us both the tall defender and second ruck I think we need.
But the money may have been the deciding factor.

The draft was good with the only alternative being I would have taken Fort (204cm, 99kg) as the ruck rather than Turner.
But the recruiters may have not thought he was much chop.

The rookie was a worry.
I would have taken Sweet (202, 107) rather than Aarts who I don't rate as an AFL player.
Maybe again, they don't rate him.

It is a problem when we seemingly don't rate Roughhead but Collingwood do.
Same with Fort and Geelong.
Same with Sweet and Footscray.

IMO our need is greater than all those other clubs but we chose to go with either nothing (the Lloyd pick), an light winger and an ordinary VFL forward flanker.
Funnily ehough I do rate what I've seen of English.
 

Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on December 02, 2018, 11:07:32 PM
If we're including trades then I would have preferred to trade in Roughead for Lloyd as it would have given us both the tall defender and second ruck I think we need.
But the money may have been the deciding factor.

The draft was good with the only alternative being I would have taken Fort (204cm, 99kg) as the ruck rather than Turner.
But the recruiters may have not thought he was much chop.

The rookie was a worry.
I would have taken Sweet (202, 107) rather than Aarts who I don't rate as an AFL player.
Maybe again, they don't rate him.

It is a problem when we seemingly don't rate Roughhead but Collingwood do.
Same with Fort and Geelong.
Same with Sweet and Footscray.

IMO our need is greater than all those other clubs but we chose to go with either nothing (the Lloyd pick), an light winger and an ordinary VFL forward flanker.
Funnily ehough I do rate what I've seen of English.
Turner is one of the youngest players drafted. How can you rate him now? He is an endurance beast and will be an elite runner for years to come. We are short in that area too as Grigg, our current link man, is coming to the end of his career.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Slipper on December 02, 2018, 11:27:41 PM
Rightly or wrongly, the club obviously feels comfortable enough with our ruck stocks.

We had plenty of opportunities to address our apparent lack of ruck depth and didn't. Indeed, we still can but look like getting Stack instead.

I personally think that Stack is a bit of a luxury. I posted else where that on talent alone, I think he is a better prosect than Hill, and I thought he would be drafted higher than the pick 40+ he was slated to go at. In the end, he slipped through the draft altogether. People have mentioned off field baggage, and he does have some, but so does Hill so to get Stack after the draft if it happens is a good get.

But realistically, I don't really see the need Stack fits. With Tom Lynch now in our forward line, I feel we might have drafted a kid or two who could play across HFF and deliver the ball well inside 50, like a Sheds with better footskills. It is a bit of a niche role, but there were/are still a couple of kids who could fill the role really well.

I personally would like to have a look at Tyron Smallwood. He has fantastic foot skills, great goal sense, a great footy brain and is a very hard player for his size. Like Shane Edwards, he also has great vision and if you look at highlights of various WA u/18 players, he is often involved in the play when he is not the subject of the footage. Injuries cruelled his chances this year, most notably a broken jaw which costs him a few U/18 games, so he is an under the radar type with a lot of upside.

Jordan Clark will be a good player for the Cats, but he is close to being AFL level ready. I reckon Smallwood has more potential to improve than Clark does. A couple of years on an AFL list and you'd have a very good player in Smallwood I suspect.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Diocletian on December 03, 2018, 02:37:44 AM
I see English & Ross as being our Nathan Jones & Patrick Cripps at best and improved versions of Jackson & Tuck at worst... :shh
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: one-eyed on July 09, 2019, 11:06:57 AM
The Herald-Sun's view 6 months on.

RATE THE 2018 TRADE PERIOD- RICHMOND

Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
9 July 2019


Score: 8/10

A club that had only won the premiership a year previous was able to secure the best free agent out there and for only about a million bucks a year.

Tom Lynch has been a riotous success if you consider he has come off a PCL injury, playing every game and having several huge games.

The critics have come for him but consider what he will do in the next five seasons when fully fit.

Even though he is only approaching full fitness, his worst games have still included a couple of telling moments in a team that has missed Jack Riewoldt.

The Tigers moved on the likes of Sam Lloyd, Anthony Miles and Corey Ellis, forcing themselves to find some depth. Instead of playing those guys when the injuries hit they have unearthed the likes of Sydney Stack, Noah Balta and Ivan Soldo.

The Tigers also have high hopes for Riley Collier-Dawkins (pick 20) and have seen the potential in bash-and-crash midfielder Jack Ross, who is only out of the side because of injury.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-hq-check-out-all-the-big-list-calls-facing-richmond-this-offseason/news-story/ab818dcf97b0081731bd796c3f798eab
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on July 09, 2019, 01:57:41 PM
I was certainly wrong in thinking we'd need the likes of Conca, Miles and C Ellis as depth. The kids we've brought in have shown plenty and proven the above mentioned were barely more than list cloggers.

I was right in thinking we needed depth.

For mine (so far):

Trades
Lynch - tick

Draft
RCD - Still developing physically, so not going to give a mark. Started off looking very solid but has fallen badly out of form since the early season - which makes perfect sense with an underdeveloped body 2/3 through through a season.
Ross - tick.
English - tick

Rookie
Aarts - cross. Probably not going to make it.

Pre-Season supp
Stack - Huge tick (may be the greatest recruitment story in the clubs history)
Weller - Cross. Cost next to nothing so not too much harm done but has shown nothing that we didn't already suspect.

8/10 seems to stand for mine.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Diocletian on July 09, 2019, 02:00:21 PM
Agree with most of that but I wouldn't give English a tick just yet - and what about Turner?  Big tick for me....:shh
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on July 09, 2019, 02:52:16 PM
Agree with most of that but I wouldn't give English a tick just yet - and what about Turner?  Big tick for me....:shh
My mistake.

Turner - tick.

Re: English, from the glimpses I have seen he seems to have enough to potentially make it. Which, as a fourth round draft selection meets a pass mark for mine. May be suffering the same developmental issues as RCD. He is still 18.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: The Machine on July 09, 2019, 02:53:36 PM
Agree with most of that but I wouldn't give English a tick just yet - and what about Turner?  Big tick for me....:shh
My mistake.

Turner - tick.

Re: English, from the glimpses I have seen he seems to have enough to potentially make it. Which, as a fourth round draft selection meets a pass mark for mine. May be suffering the same developmental issues as RCD. He is still 18.


English has been injured for most of the year. Has time at this stage.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: lamington on July 09, 2019, 09:52:27 PM
I gave a 9/10 at the start of the year purely based on the Lynch Trade. I would change it to a 10 if I could purely from the new found success of Ross and Stack
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: Slipper on July 09, 2019, 10:30:29 PM
I gave a 9/10 at the start of the year purely based on the Lynch Trade. I would change it to a 10 if I could purely from the new found success of Ross and Stack

It is off the charts if RCD makes it into that mix.
Title: Re: How did we all rate our 2018 recruiting effort?
Post by: big tone on July 09, 2019, 11:50:27 PM
10 out of 10 for me.

It’s not often you draft an out and out A grader. And Sydney Stack is that and more.
In fact probably not since 2012 when we drafted Vlastuin.

Obviously add that to the Lynch pick up and we killed it.

The others are just a bonus IMO.