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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 30, 2019, 12:43:23 PM
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Very early days and the ladder will change significantly by the end of the season but we currently have picks 11, 29, 42 (tied to Gold Coast), 65, 72 (tied to Geelong) & 83.
Essendon & Collingwood have no first round picks while Adelaide is so far winning on their swap of 1st rounders with Carlton.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-30/indicative-draft-order-crows-early-winners-giants-eye-top10-pick
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Midway of the year and the ladder will change but our picks currently are 13, 31, 38, 67, 72 & 85.
Having the Suns' 3rd rounder after doing a swap is working out well for us. We jump from 49 up to 38.
Meanwhile, Carlton have effectively traded picks 1 & 19 for Stocker & pick 11 lol.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-06-04/indicative-draft-order-after-round-11
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Meanwhile, Carlton have effectively traded picks 1 & 19 for Stocker & pick 11 lol.
Do you reckon this will mean the end of the Buddy/Tambling cracks?
Somehow I doubt it.
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Really hope we try and trade for lower picks... :shh
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We've spoken to Elijah Taylor (U18 WA). He is a Tiger supporter and also a former teammate of Stack.
Excitement machine revved up for finale
Jordan McArdle
West Australian
3 July 2019
Elijah Taylor is excited at the opportunity to strut his stuff on Marvel Stadium today as WA chase the national under-18 title against Vic Country.
The Perth forward has been one of WA’s stars at the carnival, booting six majors in three matches, including a three-goal performance against the Allies, to help his State to a 2-1 record.
The Black Swans’ hopes of knocking off the unbeaten Vic Country and winning the carnival for the first time in a decade received a massive boost when ruckman Luke Jackson was cleared to play.
The former basketballer, who is averaging 37 hit-outs, 13 disposals and four clearances to be in All-Australian contention, has recovered from a head knock sustained against the Allies.
“It’ll be pretty exciting, especially with what’s at stake,” Taylor said.
“Suma (coach Peter Sumich) told us at training how much the game means, but we’re trying not to get too ahead of ourselves, we just want to go out there and have fun.”
Taylor said Sumich wasn’t afraid to tell players where they had to improve, and his strict standards had driven the group.
As for the West Coast great’s best piece of advice?
“He told me just to take the game on and show my flair,” Taylor said.
Taylor has spoken with five interstate clubs — Richmond, St Kilda, Adelaide, Greater Western Sydney and Carlton.
The 18-year-old, who barracks for the Tigers and stays in touch with former Perth teammate Sydney Stack, admits his first interview with an AFL recruiter was “nerve-racking”.
“After that you kind of get used to it, getting more experience in getting interviewed and getting used to the questions,” Taylor said.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/excitement-machine-elijah-taylor-revved-up-for-national-under-18-finale-ng-b881247741z
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So handy young players still available in the teens around our would-be pick if the draft panned out this way.
Cal Twomey's 2019 Phantom Form Guide: Post U18 Champs
AFL.com.au
Callum Twomey
Jul 5, 2019
1. Rowell
2. Anderson
3. Serong
4. Young
5. Ash
6. Green
7. Kemp
8. McAsey
9. Stephens
10. Flanders
11. Worrell
12. Henry
13. Gould
14. Robertson
15. Taylor
16. Williams
17. Macginness
18. Mead
19. Taheny
20. Weightman
21. Jackson
22. Dow
23. Jones
24. De Koning
25. Day
Full summaries here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-05/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-form-guide-july
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Some of the highlights of Taylor's carnival were apparently very impressive. Shows moments of utter brilliance, and according to Sumich will really benefit from getting into the AFL system to build consistency in his game.
I really rate what Sumich says. Last year he reckoned Stack was the best WA prospect and we have seen how that turned out.
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This year and next year's first for GC's first....chuck in Menadud for a token late pick.... :shh
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The WA young gun with star dust in his blood
AFL.com.au
Callum Twomey
Jul 9, 2019
TIM KELLY is his mum's second cousin. The Kickett brothers – Dale and Derek – are on his dad's side of the family, while Nicky Winmar and Paddy Ryder are also in his bloodlines.
On family links alone, Elijah Taylor looks a first-round pick at this year's NAB AFL Draft.
He might be anyway. Taylor proved himself to be one of the most exciting prospects in this year's draft crop at the under-18 championships, pushing himself into top-20 contention.
He played every game for Western Australia, helped it claim the title and was named an All Australian at the end of the carnival.
"I've been a little bit surprised. In the games I played I did pretty well, so I'm just trying to get more consistency in my game," Taylor told AFL.com.au.
The 185cm forward combines a number of skills to have a bag full of tricks. He has a high natural leap, is strong overhead and is dangerous around goal. He booted six for the carnival, including three against the Allies.
"I didn't play last year and didn't play state under-16s, so I didn't know what to expect," Taylor said.
"Playing in the first game was pretty good, in the first five minutes I got a mark and a goal and it was a good start to the championships."
Without gathering huge numbers, Taylor showed flashes of his ability across the championships, including daring runs and even a double blind turn that dumbfounded South Australian players in WA's second game.
"I just had one glimpse and saw there was three players there. I'm pretty aware of what's around me when I get the ball, so I didn’t really have many options. I just took the game on and it worked out," the 18-year-old said.
Taylor wants to build on what he has shown so far. He is aiming to feature at senior level in Perth's WAFL side, and wants to add some reliability to his game, making his best games more common and rounded.
He has received some advice from his footballing family members on how to do that, occasionally speaking to Geelong star Kelly about his progress.
"I've had a few messages with him here and there, and he's said to just keep going," Taylor said.
"I try not to think about it all too much but when I do it is pretty exciting. For now I'm just focused on my footy," he said.
(https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Galleries/Matches/2019/AFL%202019%20U18%20Championships%20-%20Vic%20Country%20v%20Western%20Australia/690287_ll.jpg)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-09/the-wa-young-gun-with-star-dust-in-his-blood
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Sounds an exciting prospect and if he's best available at first pick then fair enough...would prefer an inside mid then a kpd befure a medium forward though...unless he can also run through the middle..... :shh
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Heard that if the AFL give GC a priority pick at the start of round one it'll be on the condition that they have to trade it......we should be all over that.... :shh :shh
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Menadue & Butler.....:shh :shh :shh
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Heard that if the AFL give GC a priority pick at the start of round one it'll be on the condition that they have to trade it......we should be all over that.... :shh :shh
Unite the Weller brothers :shh
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If the draft were held today we'd have picks 13, 31, 37, 67, 72, 85.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-10/indicative-draft-order-suns-hold-top-pick
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The Giants are poised to secure gun youngster Tom Green from their academy at this year's draft.
Green, the grandson of four-time Richmond premiership winner Michael Green, is a big-bodied midfielder in the vein of Carlton's Patrick Cripps.
The Canberra product has been touted as a potential top-five pick after starring at this year's national under-18 championships for the Allies.
If a rival club was to bid for Green at No.5, based on current ladder positions the Giants would have to use picks 10 (which they received from Essendon as part of the Dylan Shiel deal) and 14. The leftover points from the latter pick would see them slide down to 17.
Despite his family ties to the Tigers, Green is open minded about where he ends up next year.
"The Giants have been very, very good to me through the academy," Green said.
"Where I'd like to play is whoever wants me. If it's the Giants that'd be awesome, if another club wants me I just want to play where I'm wanted."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-to-make-changes-to-academy-draft-rules-20190710-p525yi.html
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What's happened with the well known Grandfather - grandson rule? :rollin
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Its a shame. He should be at Richmond.
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Too bad for us talent in the Green family obviously skipped a generation.... :shh
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Good attitude.
I wish him well where ever goes.
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HIGHLY rated draft prospect Brodie Kemp looks set for a year on the sidelines after suffering a serious knee injury on the weekend.
The Bendigo Pioneers talent was playing at school level for Geelong Grammar when he went down with the injury, which has been confirmed as a tear to his anterior cruciate ligament.
Kemp, who shaped as a possible top-10 pick before the injury, is likely to have surgery in coming days.
Kemp, who stands at 193cm, spent most of the early part of the season playing as a tall defender, but moved into the midfield for Vic Country and performed well with 27 disposals and five clearances against South Australia.
Then, in Country's final clash with Western Australia, he shifted forward and booted two late goals from 17 touches and was a marking threat in attack.
His versatility and upside had him pegged as a likely first-round pick and recruiters still believe he will fit into that category despite the injury setback.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-23/top10-draft-prospect-facing-12-months-out-after-acl-tear
It's a risk but we're probably a club in a position to pick such a kid and allow him the 12 months to recover and have him right for 2021.
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Id like us to try and do a deal with GWS to get Green to Richmond. Trading on draft night may help in that regard.
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Can't see them giving up Green but they could either could give us decent player or one of their two first rounders for our two second round picks because it's highly likely they'll have to match an early bid for Green and they'll probably want to keep their first round picks or at least the lowest one or something like that...:shh
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Its a travesty if Green cant get to Richmond.
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bastardo's
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Blame his old man for being crap at footy.... :shh
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I'll spew if Tom Roach & David Bourke have sons who are guns.... >:(
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A team should only be allowed one player per colour!
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Racist...
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Racist...
:lol
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Buckenara’s top draft prospects for 2019
Gary Buckenara,
Herald Sun
1 August 2019
With just one month left of the AFL season for 10 clubs, our attention now starts to turn to the draft.
The 2019 Under-18 national championships have been played and won (by Western Australia), as the best talent on offer in this year’s draft showcased their talent. There were some tight results during the carnival, which reflected the even spread of talent across the teams to represent the Allies, South Australia, Vic Country, Vic Metro and WA.
That brings us to the strength of this year’s draft and what type of players fans can expect their clubs to recruit for the future.
The talent pool is even, especially after the top 5-10, but this should be a reasonably deep draft. While it’s fairly light on for ruckmen and key-position players, clubs keen to bolster their midfield stocks with all types will be very happy with the depth of talent emerging. There are also some nice skilled outside runners coming through in addition to clever forwards.
There are also quite a few sons of former players eligible to be drafted, but not all qualify under father-son rules.
Noah Anderson, son of former Hawk and Saint Dean Anderson, is the best of the lot but unfortunately for Hawthorn and St Kilda, isn’t eligible to be taken under father-son rules given his father played 83 games for the Hawks and just 67 for the Saints.
Over the next few months I will continue to track the progress of the 2019 draft class as they finish their seasons before turning attention to the testing at the draft combine, which will play a role in the final order of my top 50 prospects.
For now, here are the players who were the standouts during the U18 championships and are currently in the mix to be taken in the top 30 at the draft in November — including the top-10 performers at the carnival listed in order.
PLEASE NOTE: Gary Buckenara’s top-10 players listed below are his top-10 from the U18 championships, not his top-10 draft order.
BUCKENARA’S TOP-10 PERFORMERS
1. MATTHEW ROWELL
178cm, 74kg, midfielder, Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers
Rowell has starred on the big stage over the past 12 months. Last year he almost got Vic Metro over the line in the U18 championship decider against South Australia, he was named best afield in the TAC Cup Grand Final in a losing team, won the medal the following week for the standout player in the NAB AFL All-Stars game on Grand Final day, and in April was judged best on ground in the Australian U18 team’s win over Casey Demons. Rowell is a tough, explosive midfielder who excels at the stoppages and imposes himself on games. It’s no wonder he’s seen as one of the leading contenders to be the No.1 pick this year and his performances at the championships only cemented his position as a very early selection — most likely No.1 — in 2019.
2. NOAH ANDERSON
188cm, 86kg, midfielder, Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers
The son of my former premiership teammate Dean Anderson, Noah shows enormous talent and had excellent start to the year when he averaged 32 disposals and nearly three goals in the opening three rounds of the NAB U18s. He’s a tall midfielder with a very strong endurance base and is good overhead. Noah also regularly kicks goals as a midfielder, be it on the run from long range, a mark on the lead or a snap around his body. At this stage, he’s the player I’d take with the No.1 draft pick, but a lot can change as the season plays out.
3. HAYDEN YOUNG
188cm, 82kg defender, Vic Country/Dandenong Stingrays
Young looked every bit the early pick at the MCG against VFL side Casey when he gathered 17 disposals and took six marks in a polished performance. He has at times played in the midfield this year but looks most comfortable and is more damaging across halfback, where his vision, poise and precise kicking stands out. Young, whose brother Lachie plays for the Bulldogs, is a good size and is considered a leader within his group.
4. CALEB SERONG
178cm, 83kg, forward/midfielder, Vic Country/Gippsland Power
Vic Country’s co-captain at the carnival surely stood out to AFL recruiters with his impressive and consistent performances as a powerful small forward/midfielder who can influence games in a number of ways. The talented cricketer is sharp at ground level, neat by foot and is able to set-up teammates with his clever ball use. He’s also very clever around goal where he uses his uncanny goal sense, and when he has time in the midfield, his burst of speed is really exciting. I’m sure he’ll be an in-demand player in this year’s draft.
5. DYLAN STEPHENS
183cm, 69kg, midfielder, South Australia/Norwood
A big engine coupled with pace and a precise left foot will make Stephens one of the most talented and sought-after midfielders in this year’s draft. Stephens, who grew up in country Victoria before moving to South Australia for school, has already played for Norwood at senior level in the SANFL this season, while his U18 carnival form was consistent. He does look like a very nice midfielder-in-the-making, with his attributes to find plenty of admirers amongst AFL recruiters. He should be a top-30 selection.
6. LACHLAN ASH
186cm, 80kg, defender, Vic Country/Murray Bushrangers
Ash brings real speed to this year’s draft. He’s an exciting line-breaker off halfback who likes to put the ball under his arm and take the game on, but the best part is he doesn’t just and run blindly — he’s composed with the ball. Ash has played senior footy at country level and won a country premiership with Shepparton last year and he finished second in the Murray Bushrangers’ best-and-fairest as an underage player.
7. SAM FLANDERS
182cm, 81kg, forward/midfielder, Vic Country/Gippsland Power
Sam has a strong body already and has showcased his best football as a forward who can also have a run in the midfield. His early-season form saw him average 23 disposals, five tackles and a goal at U18s level and he’s capable of doing some eye-catching things like taking big marks and kicking freakish goals or being very clean to pluck the ball off a pack. I suspect he could get himself much fitter and getting into a full-time AFL environment will see him improve sharply.
8. WILL GOULD
191cm, 98kg, defender, South Australia/Glenelg
Gould was one of only three bottom-aged players selected for last year’s U18 All-Australian team after his impressive carnival for South Australia. He’s stepped up to play well at SANFL level, where his mature frame and booming kick is a feature of his game. He reads the game well and provides excellent rebound, which has been likened to West Coast skipper Shannon Hurn given his powerful style. He will certainly have many admirers with what he brings to the table and I’m sure he’ll be busy come the draft combine, fielding questions from many clubs.
9. FISCHER McASEY
195cm, 86kg, defender, Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons
A promising defender, McAsey was solid throughout the U18 championships playing as a key defender, where he did some of his best work in the air, taking many intercept and contested marks. He has certainly been noticed and I’m sure, given the need for key defenders, McAsey will be very high on the key-position talent flow lists at clubs. He can really elevate himself by finishing off the year well and performing well in the draft combine.
10. LIAM HENRY
179cm, 67kg, forward, Western Australia/Claremont
Fremantle will get first access to Henry as a member of the club’s Next Generation Academy. The lightly framed indigenous teenager is a lively small forward who kicked four goals from 24 disposals for Claremont’s colts’ side early this year in an exciting display. A minor knee injury has halted some of his progress, but I believe Henry is exactly the type of player Fremantle needs for its future to create chaos up forward as Michael Walters and Brandon Matera bring other attributes as higher half-forwards. A top-20 bid is not out of the question if Henry continues at his current rate of development given his blistering speed and delightful skills.
BUCKENARA’S 20 STANDOUTS
TRENT BIANCO
178, 70kg, defender/midfielder, Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers
Bianco performed really well during the carnival and what is most impressive about him is his ball use as a rebounding defender. It is a long-held opinion of mine that players who can kick the ball well hold very strong appeal to recruiters in this day and age. He’s put himself on the radar with his performances for Vic Metro and if his final part of the season goes well and can impress at the combine, then I am sure Bianco will have many suitors at this year’s draft.
NICK BRYAN
202cm, 87kg, ruck/forward, Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers
Bryan has emerged quickly as one of the best ruck prospects in this year’s draft and was selected in the Australian U18s team to face VFL side Casey. Although lightly framed, his strengths are that he’s so mobile that he virtually plays as an extra midfielder around the ground, has good skills and reads the play very well, while he can also provide a marking option up forward. Clubs will look at him as a developing ruck/forward.
CHARLIE COMBEN
199cm, 82kg, ruck/forward, Vic Country/Gippsland Power
A bit of a project player as a developing ruckman/forward who has shown some glimpses of talent very similar to a young Harry McKay during his time at Gippsland Power. We always want to see more of his good moments but at present Comben is still raw and developing. Talls always take a bit of time to grow in their frames but he showed some of what he can produce during the U18 carnival. Comben has traits that recruiters will like given his athleticism for his size, so I’m sure he’ll be given an opportunity at the draft this year, but how early remains to be seen. I suspect he’ll be a top-30 pick.
WILL DAY
187cm, 70kg, defender/midfielder, South Australia/West Adelaide
A tall rebound defender/outside midfielder, Day has a light body but it doesn’t stop him from being a fierce competitor. He has good athleticism and run of halfback and was a good consistent performer for South Australia, who often set his team up with very good running patterns to link up some attacking moves.
SAM DE KONING
200cm, 85kg, defender/forward/ruck, Vic Country/Dandenong Stingrays
The brother of Carlton’s Tom De Koning, Sam is much like his older sibling in that he’ll take time to fully develop and make his mark at AFL level. At 200cm, De Koning can play key position at both ends of the ground and can be used in the ruck, with his versatility set to appeal strongly for clubs looking to bolster their tall stocks. He’s very athletic but is still raw. He played as a key defender in the U18 nationals and looked good.
THOMSON DOW
182cm, 72kg, midfielder, Vic Country/Bendigo Pioneers
The younger brother of Carlton’s Paddy Dow, Thomson has caught the eye of recruiters this year. He’s different to Paddy in that he plays a little bit taller and occasionally drifts forward to be a target. Thomson is lightly framed but agile, has a good burst of speed, and started the season in strong form for Bendigo, so he looks like a nice prospect. It will take him some time to build up his light body, but he brings some nice attributes to the table.
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TOM GREEN
188cm, 85kg, midfielder, Allies/GWS Academy
Green starred for the Allies in the U18 nationals, showing his ball-winning ability through the midfield. The Giants academy prospect shapes as a possible top-10 selection due to his status as a big and strong inside midfielder who can bullock through traffic like Patrick Cripps and set-up the game from the midfield. He lost quite a bit of weight over the pre-season and has improved his endurance this season, which has led to improved and more consistent numbers this year. Another nice player in the making for GWS.
HARRISON JONES
194cm, 75kg, forward, Vic Metro/Calder Cannons
Jones has elevated himself into draft calculations with his strong performance as a key forward during the carnival. He is light at present at just 76kg but I feel he’s capable of putting on good size and clubs will identify him as a developing project player who has a good work ethic. He leads up well to the ball carrier, has a good pair of hands, is agile and looks comfortable in front of goal. There’s a lot to like about Jones and given these types of players are always hard to find, I expect there will be many clubs tracking him at the Cannons for the remainder of the season. He could be a top-30 pick.
BRODIE KEMP
192cm, 82kg, utility, Vic Country/Bendigo Pioneers
Unfortunately Brodie ruptured his ACL in a school game, which could see him drift out to a late first or second-round selection. Clubs like Gold Coast, St Kilda and Carlton would find it hard to lose 12 months of development from a top draft pick, whereas the likes of Richmond, Collingwood and Geelong would be able to support a player of Kemp’s talent because their needs are less urgent right now, so he could be a bargain/bonus pick up for a club willing to be patient. Kemp is athletic, moves well for size and his overall ability means he can play in most positions on the ground — he’s been used as a marking forward, as a tall midfielder who can extract the ball and also across halfback where his vision stands out. Kemp hasn’t been a huge ball-winner, but his performances at the carnival would have pleased recruiters given he was able to find far more of the footy. He has plenty of upside and may have been a top-10 selection if not for his serious knee injury.
FINN MAGINNESS
187cm, 80kg, midfielder, Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons
The son of my two-time Hawthorn premiership teammate Scott Maginness, Finn has enjoyed a really strong start to this season and had a very good carnival where his consistent performances should push him into contention to be a first-round selection. He’s a tall and athletic midfielder who uses his size to good effect, makes good decision and uses the ball well (better than dad did, sorry Scotty!). I’m sure the Hawks will be happy to have him.
JACKSON MEAD
184cm, 83kg, midfielder, South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens
The son of Port Adelaide’s inaugural best-and-fairest winner Darren Mead, Jackson is a midfielder/utility type. His national championship form would have pleased the Port Adelaide recruiters, who will have first option to draft him as a father-son. His composure and decision-making are his best traits, while he needs to tidy up his foot skills to reduce the number of targets he misses.
DEVEN ROBERTSON
182cm, 80kg, midfielder/defender, Western Australia/Perth
Robertson played all four of WA’s games last year as a bottom-ager and has continued his development through the midfield this season where he’s improved his athleticism, which allows him to get to more contests. He captained WA’s under-16 side and was named its MVP at that championships, and this year completed the double by claiming those two titles again at U18 level. He’s the nephew of former West Coast skipper Darren Glass — some really good pedigree.
JAY RANTALL
184cm, 82kg, midfielder/defender, Vic Country/GWV Rebels
Rantall was a consistent performer during the carnival. One of his best traits is his strong work ethic, which was definitely on show and recruiters would have also liked his no-nonsense style, where his trademark is his ability to just get the job done. He looks to be a real professional with the way he goes about his football and as a player who had a strong carnival, his finish to the season for GWV will be important, as will be his ability to cope with some expectation at the draft combine. I’m sure, however, we’ll see the same diligence from Rantall and he won’t be one to get ahead of himself.
JEREMY SHARP
187cm, 79kg, midfielder/defender, Western Australia/East Fremantle
A slick prospect who performed well last year to be one of his state’s leading draft hopefuls, Sharp was named an U18 All-Australian last season and was then a standout in the NAB All-Stars game on Grand Final day across halfback. Sharp has good skills and dash and made his senior WAFL debut for East Fremantle in Round 1 this season. He will be monitored closely at WAFL level for the rest of the season — playing at a senior level will be really good for his development and clubs will be interested in how he fares.
HARRY SCHOENBERG
180cm, 78kg, midfielder, South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens
Playing as a midfielder with occasional stints across half-forward, Schoenberg shows some terrific traits that recruiters like to see — competitiveness, decision-making and skill. In particular, his ability to compete inside, win the ball and then feed it to the outside runners is very good. His U18 nationals form was very good as he was one of South Australia’s shinning lights, which would have elevated his stock enormously to be one of the players heading up the charts with a rocket. Schoenberg looks to be a very nice player for the future and I’m sure clubs will have him fairly high on their talent flow lists.
CAMERON TAHENY
185cm, 80kg, forward, South Australia/Norwood
Taheny is an exciting and dangerous forward who can produce something from nothing. He’s already played at senior level for Norwood in the SANFL and performed well, booting five goals from three games despite some injury niggles with his knee and quad. Taheny has really good speed and a nice leap and will be monitored closely by recruiters for the remainder of the year. Let’s hope he can get over those niggles so we can see his full talent as I suspect he might be a really good prospect when fully fit.
ELIJAH TAYLOR
185cm, 75kg, forward/midfielder, Western Australia/Perth
Taylor is an extremely talented footballer who can hopefully fulfil his true potential as his speed, skills and football nous is there for all to see. At present, he tends to play in bursts and can drop out of games when he gets close attention from his defender. He doesn’t need much space to be dangerous and he can quickly impact a game. If he can work hard on his fitness, I see him as a very dangerous forward/midfielder because he has real brilliance and reflexes combined with pace, skill and football nous. Can he make the most of his talent?
CODY WEIGHTMAN
177cm, 73kg, defender, Vic Country/Dandenong Stingrays
The speedy small forward continues to impress following good early form for Dandenong Stingrays by topping the goalkicking in his four U18 national games. He finished with nine goals and has pushed himself up the rankings as a small forward with good pace — the type of player that has really come to the fore at AFL level in recent years, so there should be strong interest in him. How high up the pecking order he goes will depend on his form and testing at the combine.
DYLAN WILLIAMS
185cm, 79kg, utility, Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers
Williams showed his talent last year for the Chargers when he booted 14 goals in the finals series as an underage player. His marking is a real strength, while he’s clean at ground level, is clever near goal and is a lovely left-foot kick. He can also be used across halfback, where his reading of the play comes to the fore, while he has the ability to occasionally have a run through the midfield. Williams will often find a way to impact a game as he has genuine X-factor and ability. He looks a very nice prospect as a utility and potential ‘Mr Fix It’.
JOSH WORRELL
195cm, 74kg, defender, Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons
The way Worrell is able to float into marking contests in the back half and make an impact in the air should bode well for his prospects as a third tall defender at AFL level. His leap, agility and his versatility should appeal to clubs, particularly given there’s a lack of taller types at the top end of this year’s draft. Worrell has been tried in the ruck at school level this year but is most comfortable setting things up in the backline. He’s a player that clubs will follow for the rest of the year and will be interested in his testing and interviews.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gary-buckenara-names-his-top-30-performers-from-under18-championships-ahead-of-2019-draft/news-story/567998a10b2499bbaa0aa3c8f0790a9a
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Cody Weightman article on the AFL website
His rise has led to one regular question this year: is he related to Richmond great Dale 'The Flea' Weightman?
"I'm not, I don't think so. We haven't really tested the theory, but I don't think there's anything in it," he said.
"I said to one club 'I'm not, but I claim it sometimes, it depends who I'm talking to'. It's pretty much the first question I get asked. We're pretty matchable I guess."
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"The draft is certainly at the top of my bucket list," Weightman told AFL.com.au.
He's known that for a long time. When he was 12, he enlisted the help of long-time running coach Bohdan Babijczuk with a focus on injury prevention but also to build his speed and technique.
There he met Jack Higgins, who was two years older but on his trajectory to the AFL. The pair became close friends, and Weightman still talks weekly to the young Richmond midfielder.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-01/selling-cows-wish-chips-and-the-tiger-mentoring-top-draft-prospect
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Cal Twomey's latest phantom draft. We currently have pick 15 as our first selection.
Cal Twomey's 2019 Phantom Form Guide: August update
AFL.com.au
Callum Twomey
Aug 8, 2019
1. Rowell
2. Anderson
3. Serong
4. Young
5. Green (+1)
6. Ash (-1)
7. Kemp
8. McAsey
9. Robertson (+5)
10. Flanders
11. Worrell
12. Henry
13. D.Stephens (-4)
14. Jackson (+7)
15. Gould (-1)
16. Weightman (+4)
17. Macginness
18. Mead
19. De Koning (+5)
20. Taheny (-1)
21. Taylor (-6)
22. Rivers (new)
23. Williams (-7)
24. Jones (-1)
25. Day
26. Bianco (new)
27. C.Stephens (new)
28. Smith (new)
29. Schoenberg (new)
30. Bergman (new)
Out of previous list: Dow
Full summaries here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-08/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-form-guide-august-update
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The Giants will be hoping their aim to move up the draft is more successful than last year, when clubs inside the top-10 were reluctant to trade out of that area given the quality of the pool.
This year's draft is more even, with perhaps fewer obvious standards compared to 2018, which Caruso said was a factor in discussions.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-19/giants-plot-move-up-the-draft-order-for-academy-jet-but-will-they-get-there-
It appears a handy year to have two late first round picks (assuming we get one for Ellis leaving).
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Weight and height wise Will Gould looks ready to go.
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Weight and height wise Will Gould looks ready to go.
Maybe even a bit too heavy for a kid that age. Might need to trim up and strip off the puppy fat, same as RCD.
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De Koning :shh
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Cal Twomey's latest phantom draft. We currently have pick 18 as our first selection.
Cal Twomey's 2019 Phantom Form Guide: September update
AFL.com.au
Callum Twomey
Sep 20, 2019
1. Rowell
2. Anderson
3. Serong
4. Young
5. Green
6. Flanders (+4)
7. Ash (-1)
8. Kemp (-1)
9. McAsey (-1)
10. D.Stephens (+3)
11. Robertson (-2)
12. Weightman (+4)
13. Worrell (-2)
14. Jackson
15. Henry (-3)
16. Macginness (+1)
17. Gould (-2)
18. Day (+7)
19. Mead (-1)
20. Bianco (+6)
21. Bergman (+9)
22. De Koning (-3)
22. Rivers (-1)
24. Taheny (-4)
25. Sharp (new)
26. Williams (-3)
27. Schoenberg (+2)
28. C.Stephens (-1)
29. Taylor (-8)
30. Jones (-6)
Out of previous lists: Dow, Smith
Full summaries here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-form-guide-september-update
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Im still on the Gould bandwagon for our first pick then Brodie Kemp with the Ellis comp.
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Im still on the Gould bandwagon for our first pick then Brodie Kemp with the Ellis comp.
Your boy Ramps did well in the SANFL GF today. The SA clubs though will now have Gould on their radar in the middle of the first round of the draft.
HIGHLY rated South Australian prospect Will Gould will enter the AFL as a SANFL premiership player after helping Glenelg snap its 33-year drought.
The 18-year-old had a strong game in defence as the Tigers defeated Port Adelaide by 28 points in the Grand Final.
Gould wasn't afraid to throw his 191cm, 98kg frame around in the Glenelg backline while also picking up 18 disposals.
It's easy to see why Gould is projected to be a first-round selection in November's NAB AFL Draft.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-22/top-sa-draft-prospect-shines-in-glenelg-denies-port-in-sanfl-gf
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from what I knowand I could be wrong Gould was Captain of South Australia in the carnival and weve had a lot of success with these types from Vlastuin who skippered his team to Jack Graham who led SA. Gould is big at 98kgs but a decent preseason and he will lose 5 or 6kgs of puppy fat. Also when a club is getting a late first round pick its important to get a player who could play a lot of games rather than just a speculative selection.
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CCJ also captained SA IIRC... :shh
No chance of getting Kemp with our current picks, reckon Gould will be gone by our pick too unless we trade up....(and I wouldn't bother unless it's to get Rowell or Anderson and we'll be well back in that field)...De Koning on the other hand should still be there... :shh
Hope we're looking at Riccardi from Weribee with a later pick -I'd even use one of the two late 30's picks on him....still need a specialist KPF to back up & develop behind Lynch and Riewoldt.. :shh
My tip for the potential KPP steal of the draft is still Ben Kelly.... :shh
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By Sam Landsberger
Herald-Sun
24 Sep 2019
The rivalry between Richmond and Greater Western Sydney might be in its infancy, but it’s about to heat up – both off the field and at the draft.
Saturday’s Grand Final will pit brothers Dave Matthews (Giants chief executive) and Simon Matthews (Tigers GM of marketing and communication) against each other.
“I just hope he (Simon) goes home in tears next week,” the jubilant Giants boss said after Saturday’s preliminary final.
Either way, GWS is set to have the last laugh when it drafts midfield jet Tom Green through its talent academy in November, who is related to Richmond royalty.
Tom – rated by recruiters as a top-10 draft pick – is the grandson of Michael Green, who starred in the 1967, 69, 73-74 flags and made the Tigers’ team of century.
Tom’s father Richard played Under-19s for the Tigers, but the teenager qualifies for the GWS academy because the family lives in Canberra.
And there are three younger brothers who could also wind up getting drafted into the orange army in future years.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-for-tuesday-24-september-2019/live-coverage/30b1dd2e3765b6a49e37d5b1219a333c
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arseholes. that should be motivation enough to kick the poo out of em
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Looks like it may be easier for us this trade period to score (a) decent future pick(s) to have the draft points ready next year for Maurice jnr.
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Twomey said he expects to see a number of clubs offering up draft picks for next year in trades, but due to a lack of clarity around the draft, clubs would be reluctant to accept them.
As well as being a weaker class compared to this year’s, the 2020 National Draft could be the most compromised since the expansion teams entered the competition.
“The Next Generation Academy is really coming to fruition; a lot of father-sons are available next year as well as the northern academy.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/10/03/2020-draft-could-be-compromised-twomey/
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Looks like it may be easier for us this trade period to score (a) decent future pick(s) to have the draft points ready next year for Maurice jnr.
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Twomey said he expects to see a number of clubs offering up draft picks for next year in trades, but due to a lack of clarity around the draft, clubs would be reluctant to accept them.
As well as being a weaker class compared to this year’s, the 2020 National Draft could be the most compromised since the expansion teams entered the competition.
“The Next Generation Academy is really coming to fruition; a lot of father-sons are available next year as well as the northern academy.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/10/03/2020-draft-could-be-compromised-twomey/
we wont need many points for MRJ
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We now have picks 19, 38, 39, 40, 74, 76, 94 ...
Interesting to see what we do with the 3 late second rounders?
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We should bundle 2 of them up with pick 19 and Butler for St Kilda's pick 6 and 58
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its a pretty even draft after the top 2 so im happy for the club to take our top 4 picks to the draft.
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We should bundle 2 of them up with pick 19 and Butler for St Kilda's pick 6 and 58
Like it
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38 39 & 40 worth the equivalent of something like 12.
Trade them to someone looking for academy or father son points.
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We should bundle 2 of them up with pick 19 and Butler for St Kilda's pick 6 and 58
Lol. Saints are using pick 6 for Hill. Slight fact you're ignoring.
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We should bundle 2 of them up with pick 19 and Butler for St Kilda's pick 6 and 58
Lol. Saints are using pick 6 for Hill. Slight fact you're ignoring.
And how dumb are they to do that? No wonder they only have one flag.
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GWS is the one we need to target.
Get pick 12 for 38, 39 and 40.
They may have to do a Sydney and trade out 18, use later picks on Green, then trade that pick back in after their selection.
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Do you think we might trade out of this draft? Not totally, but at least our 1st rounder for a future 1st round pick?
I’d have thought a few clubs might be interested in securing our first rounder to use in other trades (Sydney or West Coast for example), and a second first rounder next year looks appealing.
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Keep 19.
Try and trade 38, 39 and 40 GWS for 12.
Go to the draft with 12 and 19 if possible otherwise just keep our picks and take our 4 picks inside 40.
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GWS is the one we need to target.
Get pick 12 for 38, 39 and 40.
They may have to do a Sydney and trade out 18, use later picks on Green, then trade that pick back in after their selection.
So we trade 38,39,40 for GWS 12 and 18
Then two days later trade back 18 for 101
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GWS is the one we need to target.
Get pick 12 for 38, 39 and 40.
They may have to do a Sydney and trade out 18, use later picks on Green, then trade that pick back in after their selection.
So we trade 38,39,40 for GWS 12 and 18
Then two days later trade back 18 for 101
Yep, as soon as they get Green, live trade 18 back.
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Looks like it may be easier for us this trade period to score (a) decent future pick(s) to have the draft points ready next year for Maurice jnr.
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The word is Maurice Junior is a long way behind and could be at best a rookie pick
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Not questioning anyone here, but where are people hearing the downward trends on MRJr from?
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Noah Anderson is a Tigers supporter apparently. Shame there isn't a club-supporter rule this year ;D.
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Noah Anderson is a Tigers supporter apparently. Shame there isn't a club-supporter rule this year ;D.
Or most years for that matter.
I know we’d lose Dusty but Fyfe, Bont, De Goey would be a handy midfield.
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Noah Anderson is a Tigers supporter apparently. Shame there isn't a club-supporter rule this year ;D.
If there was the AFL would have changed it as soon as they realised who we might get. #AFLpolicyontherun
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The Herald-Sun's current top 20 draftees:
1. Matthew Rowell ..... (midfielder), DOB: 1/7/01, H: 178cm, W: 74kg, Club: Oakleigh Chargers/Boroondara Hawks/Carey Grammar
2. Noah Anderson ...... (midfielder), DOB: 17/2/01, H: 188cm, W: 86kg, Club: Oakleigh Chargers/Boroondara Hawks/Carey Grammar
3. Caleb Serong ...... (mid/forward), DOB: 9/2/01, H: 178cm, W: 83kg, Club: Gippsland Power/Warragul/Geelong Grammar
4. Hayden Young .......... (defender), DOB: 11/4/01, H: 188cm, W: 82kg, Club: Dandenong Stingrays/Somerville/Mornington SC
5. Tom Green (GWS Acad.) ... (mid), DOB: 23/1/01, H: 188cm, W: 85kg, Club: Marist/GWS Giants
6. Sam Flanders ...... (forward/mid), DOB: 24/7/01, H: 182cm, W: 81kg, Club: Gippsland Power/Moe/Lowanna College
7. Lachlan Ash ............. (Half-back), DOB: 21/6/01, H: 186cm, W: 80kg, Club: Murray Bushrangers/Shepparton/Notre Dame College
8. Dylan Stephens .... (Outside mid), DOB: 8/1/01, H: 183cm, W: 69kg, Club: Norwood
9. Luke Jackson ........... (Ruckman), DOB: 29/9/01, H: 198cm, W: 94kg, Club: East Fremantle/Bullcreek/Leeming
10. Will Gould .............. (half-back), DOB: 14/1/01, H: 191cm, W: 98kg, Club: Glenelg
11. Will Day ................. (defender), DOB: 5/6/01, H: 187cm, W: 70kg, Club: West Adelaide/Sacred Heart
12. Brodie Kemp ...... (mid/forward), DOB: 1/5/01, H: 192cm, W: 82kg, Club: Bendigo Pioneers/Echuca/Geelong Grammar
13. Deven Robertson .. (mid/defend), DOB: 30/6/01, H: 182cm, W: 80kg, Club: Perth/Aquinas College
14. Fischer McAsey ... (key defender), DOB: 8/3/01, H: 195cm, W: 86kg, Club: Sandringham Dragons/East Brighton/Caulfield Grammar
15. Cody Weightman . (small forward), DOB: 15/1/01, H: 177cm, W: 73kg, Club: Dandenong Stingrays/Beaconsfield/Haileybury College
16. Elijah Taylor ......... (mid/forward), DOB: 1/5/01, H: 185cm, W: 75kg, Club: Perth/Thornlie
17. Jackson Mead (Port F/S) .... (mid), DOB: 30/9/01, H: 184cm, W: 83kg, Club: Eagles/Henley HS
18. Sam De Koning ........... (KP/ruck), DOB: 26/2/01, H: 200cm, W: 85kg, Club: Dandenong Stingrays/Mornington
19. Josh Worrell ......... (key defender), DOB: 11/4/01, H: 195cm, W: 74kg, Club: Sandringham Dragons/Bentleigh/Haileybury College
20. Liam Henry (Freo NGA) .. (small fwd), DOB: 28/8/01, H: 179cm W: 67kg, Club: Claremont/Geez Church Grammar School
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-national-draft-2019-the-top-20-prospects/news-story/b4329c5a945b330cdb6c8f5cebe321a8
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Tom Green still wearing his Richmond jumper according to Wayne Campbell on SEN just now.
Future free agent ;D.
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gws should do the right thing and trade him to us on draft night for 19 and 38 lol
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High chance our three picks in the 40's -which is what they'll be come draft night-and the Butler pick will all be bundled up for lower pick(s)...maybe even our first pick as well... :shh
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Could try to trade 19 + 38 + 39 to GWS for pick 6 (Green).
Go to draft with picks 41 + 56.
Use 75 + 77 + 95 to elevate 3 choice rookies.
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Could try to trade 19 + 38 + 39 to GWS for pick 6 (Green).
Go to draft with picks 41 + 56.
Use 75 + 77 + 95 to elevate 3 choice rookies.
Could that be done?
Say Green hasn't been bid on by pick 5, GWS live trade us 6 for 19,38 and 39 as long as we bid on Green. They match, we get the next pick.
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that hodge was a crazy Richmond supporter as a kid? The stories of Fyfe retelling how he would perform more poo in front of other recruiters but then go all out to try and impress RFC make me laugh but also sad at the same time
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that hodge was a crazy Richmond supporter as a kid? The stories of Fyfe retelling how he would perform more poo in front of other recruiters but then go all out to try and impress RFC make me laugh but also sad at the same time
Green is a huge tiger.
But we can cross a line through him. GWS are desperate to get him, that's why they traded up in the draft.
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We can package all our picks up to pick 56 for pick 6. Giants get Green when someone bids on him and we get a top pick. Win, win.
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We can package all our picks up to pick 56 for pick 6. Giants get Green when someone bids on him and we get a top pick. Win, win.
I like it.
I can only imagine Kane Cornes' meltdown if we pulled it off.
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that hodge was a crazy Richmond supporter as a kid? The stories of Fyfe retelling how he would perform more poo in front of other recruiters but then go all out to try and impress RFC make me laugh but also sad at the same time
Green is a huge tiger.
But we can cross a line through him. GWS are desperate to get him, that's why they traded up in the draft.
They were going to get him regardless. They wanted to move up in the draft so that they can get a first round pick before him without having to match any bids beforehand. They were saying that they’re even trying to move that pick 6 even higher up to be certain.
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Consesus is that it's Anderson, Rowell then daylight then the talent is fairly even up tp 30 so I'd rather try and get one in the teens and another in the 20's if we could...we could chuck in futures as well...next year's draft apparently even weaker(of course they often turn out different in hindsight) and we'll probably have to use picks for not just MJ* but a couple of promising academy kids (Baxter , Dwyer, Agog) as well anyway..we can always find later picks for pints next year.. :shh
*I realise he's not setting the world on fire atm but neither did Willie until he was about 20...pedigree alone will raise his value and I can't see all 17 clubs just letting him fall to us for a nothing pick.... :shh :shh
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Could try to trade 19 + 38 + 39 to GWS for pick 6 (Green).
Go to draft with picks 41 + 56.
Use 75 + 77 + 95 to elevate 3 choice rookies.
Could that be done?
Say Green hasn't been bid on by pick 5, GWS live trade us 6 for 19,38 and 39 as long as we bid on Green. They match, we get the next pick.
GWS would not want us to bid on Green at 6. The longer it takes a club to make a bid on him the less they have to pay in points.
But that can still work. We would need to have a player we want that high up instead of at 19. And that we were only going to use a couple of draft picks on kids.
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Jay Kennedy Harris and Fletcher Roberts not bad pick ups if get delisted.
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Jay Kennedy Harris and Fletcher Roberts not bad pick ups if get delisted.
Would take Roberts for KPD depth, despite poor form lately and out of favour etc.
Premiership player so has experience on the big stage, albeit with an irrelevant club...
As much as Grimes has been amazing, Rance is coming back and Astbury keeps surprising me... well if Rance doesn't thrive or he and Grimes go down then we are up the pooter and probably trying out Balta or Miller as KPD's...eek.
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Do we need any recycled players just now. Depth in kids is good. Rather just keep bringing in kids for now and then look at any gaps in a few years. Taking Weller didn't really work out any better than if we had of taken a kid.
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Do we need any recycled players just now. Depth in kids is good. Rather just keep bringing in kids for now and then look at any gaps in a few years. Taking Weller didn't really work out any better than if we had of taken a kid.
Weller was playing as a forward too much. His biggest strength was always in laying a tackle, but even then he was never an established mid.
Personally I don't think we have good KPP depth. We have Lynch + Riewoldt as forwards, that's it. Backline is Rance (30), Grimes (going on 29) and Astbury (going on 29), after that it's Garthwaite.
Not saying we need to recycle players and try to force them into our best 22 as such, but if blokes like Roberts and Buzza can be had on a rookie contract as depth then I would consider it.
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If one of our forwards goes down I'd rather put in a guy like CCJ or Chol...... :shh
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Good point.
Don't think Balta is the go for KPF. Hoping he goes wing :D
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Would definitely look at Fletcher Roberts.... :shh
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I agree that we need more GENUINE key position depth/kids coming through.
Garthwaite is putrid IMO and will not make it. He is more of a 3rd tall defender except he isn’t that agile or good on the ground like you need to be- see Broad as a good example.... and Grimes and Vlastuin are just freaks that can play anywhere and on anyone.
I know Garthwaite is young and I hope someone brings this post up in a couple of years when he is tearing it up, but I cannot see it. Not even a little bit.
Draft some KPP’s this draft and develop them the Richmond way.
Other than that our list is in an incredible position.
Edited to remove clear bait and abuse
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I agree that we need more GENUINE key position depth/kids coming through.
Garthwaite is putrid IMO and will not make it. He is more of a 3rd tall defender except he isn’t that agile or good on the ground like you need to be- see Broad as a good example.... and Grimes and Vlastuin are just freaks that can play anywhere and on anyone.
I know Garthwaite is young and I hope someone brings this post up in a couple of years when he is tearing it up, but I cannot see it. Not even a little bit.
Draft some KPP’s this draft and develop them the Richmond way.
Other than that our list is in an incredible position.
Edited to remove clear bait and abuse
He was emergency for the GF club rates him he was playing catchup from no preseason and thrown in the deep when we had injuries with other players around him also out who support the back 6.His was very good in the vfl.
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I agree that we need more GENUINE key position depth/kids coming through.
Garthwaite is putrid IMO and will not make it. He is more of a 3rd tall defender except he isn’t that agile or good on the ground like you need to be- see Broad as a good example.... and Grimes and Vlastuin are just freaks that can play anywhere and on anyone.
I know Garthwaite is young and I hope someone brings this post up in a couple of years when he is tearing it up, but I cannot see it. Not even a little bit.
Draft some KPP’s this draft and develop them the Richmond way.
Other than that our list is in an incredible position.
Edited to remove clear bait and abuse
He was emergency for the GF club rates him he was playing catchup from no preseason and thrown in the deep when we had injuries with other players around him also out who support the back 6.His was very good in the vfl.
So you think he will make it at AFL level?
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I agree that we need more GENUINE key position depth/kids coming through.
Garthwaite is putrid IMO and will not make it. He is more of a 3rd tall defender except he isn’t that agile or good on the ground like you need to be- see Broad as a good example.... and Grimes and Vlastuin are just freaks that can play anywhere and on anyone.
I know Garthwaite is young and I hope someone brings this post up in a couple of years when he is tearing it up, but I cannot see it. Not even a little bit.
Draft some KPP’s this draft and develop them the Richmond way.
Other than that our list is in an incredible position.
Edited to remove clear bait and abuse
He was emergency for the GF club rates him he was playing catchup from no preseason and thrown in the deep when we had injuries with other players around him also out who support the back 6.His was very good in the vfl.
So you think he will make it at AFL level?
I think he will.A bit more size and more marking instead of punching and gets involved a bit more just not to be a stopper fullback.
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We need a small forward to replace butler.
Someone who can kick straight.
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Lowson & Smallwood - delist Aarts. :shh
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We need a small forward to replace butler.
Someone who can kick straight.
Georgie, Bolton, Rioli, Higgins, Stack, Edwards, Aarts and even Baker can as a small forward.
Plus we have Junior Rioli next year....
Yeah let’s draft another small forward this year.
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We need a small forward to replace butler.
Someone who can kick straight.
Georgie, Bolton, Rioli, Higgins, Stack, Edwards, Aarts and even Baker can as a small forward.
Plus we have Junior Rioli next year....
Yeah let’s draft another small forward this year.
George cant kick straight, Bolton and Rioli yes, Higgins coming off brain surgery, Stack should play at hbf where he did brilliantly, Edwards plays mostly midfield these days, Aartz hasnt played a game, Baker found a niche in defence.
We need another small forward. Elijah Taylor would be great to put pressure on those currently in the side.
Edited quote.
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For the love of God no more small players please
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We need mids and a tall back and forward back up first
Junior is coming next year and most of our smalls are young
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Reports Im reading are not that great on Jnr atm.
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Reports Im reading are not that great on Jnr atm.
Spoke to the club about him. They feel he’s extremely talented but it’s his dedication that most concerns them.... :shh
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Same reason Willie didn't get drafted until he was 22 and why Dean was never fully fit... :shh :shh
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Maurice jnr not listed in the Allies academy hub which forms the core of U18s team next year.
Word is he's meant to be playing for the Oakleigh Chargers in 2020.
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Your club's first pick: Which young guns will be in the mix?
AFL.com.au
Callum Twomey
Oct 20, 2019
RICHMOND
Pick 19: Two flags in three years means the Tigers aren't short in any areas. Again they'll wait and see what gets through to their spot at the end of the first round. South Australian half-back Will Day has plenty of admirers and clubs have liked his development this season. Day has plenty of growth to come physically, but he can set the play up off half-back, he can shut down opponents, and intercept in the air.
(https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Galleries/Features/2019/AFL%202019%20Media%20-%20AFL%20Draft%20Combine/722430_lp.jpg)
Will Day. Source: AFL Photos
Around the mark: Miles Bergman, Trent Rivers, Sam De Koning
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-19/your-clubs-first-pick-which-young-guns-will-be-in-the-mix
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Day looks like another Menadud....pass... :shh
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He looks like he's 11 years old.
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Middle name is "Hopefullybecomeamanone"... :shh
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.....:shh :shh
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Haven't seen any U18s this year but like the sound of Gould or Jeremy Sharp at 19.
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This mock draft has WA's U18 captain and Larke medallist Deven Robertson falling to our first pick.
AFL Phantom Draft 2019: An early top 30
Josh Elliott Editor
theRoar.com.au
21 October 2019
The trade period is now officially in the rear-view mirror and the next big event on the calendar is the 2019 AFL Draft.
The big night may be more than a month away, but it’s not too early to start wondering who will go where. Here’s my early go at a top 30 2019 Phantom Draft.
Pick 1 – Gold Coast Suns – Matt Rowell
178cm, 74kg
Rowell stamped a legacy on the under-18 competition this year, responding to a 2018 grand final loss where he was best on ground with a 2019 grand final win where he was, again, best on ground.
It’s the midfielder’s ability to make things happen on the football field and rise to the occasion that has made him a future AFL star, possible club captain, and undoubtedly the No.1 pick.
Rowell averaged more than 30 disposals and eight tackles per game in the NAB League this year, and was top ten at the draft combine in the Yoyo test.
Pick 2 – Gold Coast Suns – Noah Anderson
188cm, 86kg
The other serious contender to be the first player picked in the draft, Anderson may ultimately prove to have a higher scope than Rowell given his bigger frame and ability to go forward. A clear-cut top two selection.
Anderson showed his forward ability with an average of two goals per game in the NAB League this year, while also averaging 28 disposals.
Pick 3 – Melbourne Demons – Hayden Young
188cm, 82kg
For all the talk of evenness in the draft beyond the first two picks, Young is the obvious first choice for Melbourne here.
He is probably the best kick in the draft or close to, No.1 at the draft combine for agility, and a great size at 188cm.
Pick 4 – Adelaide Crows – Sam Flanders
182cm, 81kg
Flanders has risen up the board quickly in the last few weeks due to outstanding form in the NAB League finals, and a prominent performance in the draft combine.
A creative half-forward, Flanders boasted the third-best running vertical jump, and was top ten both for agility and in the Yoyo test.
Pick 5 – GWS Giants – Tom Green (matching bid from Sydney)
188cm, 85kg
As Josh P Kennedy’s star fades the Swans will have their eye on a big-bodied mid to succeed him, and GWS academy prospect Tom Green would be a perfect fit – they should make a bid if he’s still on the board.
Expect GWS to match the bid when it comes, but also expect them to try to upgrade this selection to one that comes before the bid if they can.
Pick 6 – Sydney Swans – Lachie Ash
186cm, 80kg
Sydney have taken a few shots at recruiting a half back in recent years with none of them really landing just yet. Ash, well known for his speed out of defence, could be their perfect option.
Pick 7 – Fremantle Dockers – Caleb Serong
179cm, 82kg
Hard to ignore if he lasts this long in the draft, Serong was one of the standout players of the national championships as an inside mid who is also dangerous around half-forward.
Pick 8 – Melbourne Demons – Cody Weightman
177cm, 73kg
A high-flying small forward who was in the top ten for both standing and running vertical jump, Weightman averaged 1.3 goals per game in the NAB League this year.
This would be the earliest we’ve seen a specialist small forward picked in some time, but the Dees appear to have a specific target at this pick, and he could be it.
Pick 9 – Hawthorn Hawks – Finn Maginness (Matching bid from Carlton)
187cm, 80kg
Maginness’ stocks have risen sharply following a prominent display at the draft combine where he showed off elite speed and endurance, running a 5:51 2km time trial.
This suggested there’s an almost unheralded athletic edge to his game, where he has primarily to this point been seen as a big-bodied midfielder.
While he needs to work on making use of those traits on the football field, it suggests he has massive scope at the next level, and could come into calculations for an early bid.
The Blues are always looking for more midfield support for Patrick Cripps, and may roll the dice here. Hawthorn could face an agonising decision to match if it costs them their pick 11.
Pick 10 – Carlton Blues – Brodie Kemp
193cm, 82kg
Kemp’s season ended early due to an ACL injury, but before that he showed serious star potential as a tall utility who can play anywhere on the ground, but might have his greatest impact as a midfielder.
Pick 11 – Fremantle Dockers – Dylan Stephens
182cm, 70kg
Although Fremantle were able to gain Blake Acres and James Aish as replacement wingers for the loss of Brad Hill and Ed Langdon, it still makes sense for them to take a blue-chip hard-running midfielder in Stephens here.
Pick 12 – Fremantle Dockers – Liam Henry (matching bid from Port Adelaide)
180cm, 67kg
One of the most outstanding small forwards in the pool, Henry is tied to Fremantle via their Next Generation Academy but will attract a bid around this area of the draft.
The Dockers will be praying it comes after their second pick.
Pick 13 – Port Adelaide Power – Will Gould
191cm, 98kg
It’s a difficult choice for Port to make here as by dropping two spots down the order in their Dougal Howard trade with St Kilda, they may risk missing out on getting one of best second-tier prospects after Anderson and Rowell.
There isn’t really a player here who clearly addresses a Port Adelaide need, but local boy Will Gould could appeal. At 191cm he could play third tall, or as a big halfback, thanks to his booming kick.
Pick 14 – Western Bulldogs – Fisher McAsey
195cm, 86kg
The Dogs made significant effort to address their key position shortcomings in the trade period by adding Alex Keath and Josh Bruce, but could also have an opportunity to add to those stocks in the draft.
McAsey is the best genuine key position player in the draft, a tall defender who has also shown the ability to go forward.
Pick 15 – Geelong Cats – Luke Jackson
198cm, 94kg
After missing out in their pursuit of Todd Goldstein, Geelong decided not to chase after another ruck option in the AFL trade period (though they did sign a pinch-hitter in Josh Jenkins).
They could target a ruck here in the draft instead. Jackson is the clear best option in the mix this year. While a little undersized for a ruck, he can play like an extra midfielder.
Pick 16 – Gold Coast Suns – Trent Bianco
178cm, 67kg
A small midfielder or halfback, Bianco is light-bodied but has a real ability to rack up touches and use the ball well. He was top five in the NAB League for average kicks this year.
Pick 17 – Brisbane Lions – Jeremy Sharp
187cm, 79kg
A two-time under-18 All Australian, Sharp hasn’t always been a big ball-winner but has shown an ability to move the ball out of defence or along the wing.
He showed off an impressive athletic profile at the draft combine, putting in a 6:12 2km time trial and finishing top 10 in both the 20m sprint and the Yoyo test.
Pick 18 – Geelong Cats – Josh Worrell
195cm, 74kg
Although still intending to have a crack at the flag next year, Geelong can use their bevy of picks in 2019 to get an early start on rebuilding, and going tall makes sense for that.
Worrell’s season ended early because of a shoulder reconstruction, but the key defender has shown enough to be a top 20 pick. He could also play forward.
Pick 19 – Port Adelaide – Dylan Williams
185cm, 79kg
With Chad Wingard 12 months gone from the club and Robbie Gray nearing retirement, Port Adelaide would love some more goalkicking power inside forward 50.
Williams provides that. He struggled through a back injury at times this year but still kicked 16 goals from the seven NAB League games he did manage to play in 2019.
Pick 20 – Richmond Tigers – Deven Robertson
182cm, 80kg
One who could easily go a lot earlier, Robertson was the 2019 Larke Medallist as the best player at the under-18 championships, and captained Western Australia to the title.
An inside midfielder, there are some concerns about Robertson’s kicking, which is why he could slide. The Tigers would do well to snap him up as they have other sliders Jack Higgins and Riley Collier-Dawkins in the last two years.
(https://cdn4.theroar.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Deven-Robertson-tall.jpg)
Deven Robertson (Photo by Michael Dodge/AFL Photos via Getty Images )
Pick 21 – Gold Coast Suns – Cameron Taheny
185cm, 80kg
Though he’s not had the dominant year he would have linked, Taheny played senior footy at SANFL this year and showed an ability to kick goals at that level.
Could be a good addition to the Suns’ forward line, and one who might have immediate impact in 2019.
Pick 22 – Brisbane Lions – Miles Bergman
186cm, 75kg
Bergman has a lot of promise but hasn’t really managed to put together all of his best traits just yet. When he does he could be a really damaging player.
Pick 23 – Adelaide Crows – Sam De Koning
200cm, 85kg
The Crows are obviously planning for the future, and getting a two-metre key defender option onto the books in Sam De Koning would be a good start to that.
Pick 24 – Geelong Cats – Trent Rivers
188cm, 85kg
Rivers is a tall midfielder who tested in the top five for agility at the draft combine. He has also shown an ability to play at halfback.
Pick 25 – Sydney Swans – Cooper Stephens
188cm, 83kg
We had Sydney bid on a big inside midfielder earlier without success, but they could pick up a great one here in Stephens. He missed most of the year with a broken leg but had shown great promise before then.
Top two in the Yoyo test at the draft combine showed that his ball-winning ability is backed up by great endurance.
Pick 26 – North Melbourne Kangaroos – Will Day
187cm, 70kg
The Roos could use some fresh faces coming out of the backline and if Day is still on the board at this point, the classy defender makes a lot of sense for North Melbourne.
Pick 27 – North Melbourne Kangaoors – Brock Smith
188cm, 81kg
Smith captained Gippsland Power in the NAB League this year, showing good defensive ability but also cracking the top ten for average rebound 50s.
Pick 28 – Port Adelaide Power – Jackson Mead (matching bid from Adelaide)
184cm, 83kg
Port’s father-son prospect will attract a bid somewhere in the 20s, though the Power wouldn’t mind if he slid just a little bit further than this.
Pick 29 – Adelaide Crows – Elijah Taylor
185cm, 75kg
Although the Crows picked up a number of small forward options this time last year, a more medium-sized choice like Talyor could still appeal. Top two for agility at the draft combine.
Pick 30 – Hawthorn Hawks – Harrison Jones
194cm, 75kg
Jones, a tall forward, hasn’t dominated on the field just yet, but his strong draft combine performance – finishing top 10 in the 20m sprint, running vertical jump and Yoyo test – suggests he’s worth taking a chance on.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/10/21/afl-phantom-draft-2019-an-early-top-30/
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Prefer De Koning to yet another barely 6 ft mid..... :shh
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We have enough WA boys to keep them here too. Club seems to hold interstate players well these days.
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We are apparently interested in Adam Carafa.
Our Northern Knights love affair continues..... :shh
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Only with a later pick I would hope.... :shh :shh
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Yes with one of the later picks
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Phew...thought FJ must've been put back in charge of things there for a minute....... :help
Anyone know if we plan on getting involved in any live pick trading on draft night? :shh
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I reckon we still need a big bodied midfielder.
Fyfe went 20 in the draft after we picked up “BigGirlsBlouse” Griffiths at pick 19.
We didn’t learn any lesson from that disaster because only a few years later we passed on Patrick Cripps believing “LazyArse” Lennon was of superior quality at pick 12.
I know we didn’t need them to win two premierships but my point is that it is possible to snare a potential future champion if you don’t pass on that type of midfielder
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Anyone know if we plan on getting involved in any live pick trading on draft night? :shh
*bump* :shh :shh
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I think we need to have a better first pick to try and get someone like Dylan Stephens from Norwood. how we do it I don't know but getting closer to a top 10 pick could be important. Will Gould at 106kgs has lost me as a supporter. You cant be 6'2 and weigh in at 106kgs. Its outrageous. Dylan Stephens is my most wanted player for the Tigers at the Draft.
Adam Carafa and Hugo Ralphsmith I expect to be selected with our later picks if available.
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BF Carlton poster C42yadoor- one of the more reliable sources there - says us, Port & Dogs like Trent Rivers .. :shh
Like to know what the knock on Ben Kelly is - 200cm, lightning quick KPD/ruck that no-one anywhere is talking about.. :shh :shh
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how do we get a pick around 10 or a pick inside 15.
Really like Kemp and it will take a top 10 pick. Also like the look of McAsey and he could be there somewhere between 10 and 15.
The other one i like whos a good sized mid and hes also had injuries Cooper Stevens.
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how do we get a pick around 10 or a pick inside 15.
Really like Kemp and it will take a top 10 pick. Also like the look of McAsey and he could be there somewhere between 10 and 15.
The other one i like whos a good sized mid and hes also had injuries Cooper Stevens.
Need to trade picks 19 + 38 + 56 (1,607 points) to the likes of:
Melbourne - pick 8 (1,551)
Carlton - pick 9 (1,469)
Fremantle - pick 10 (1,395)
Or maybe 19 + 39 + 41 (1,806) could get it done. Fremantle has pick 7 also (1,644).
Then go to the draft with 3 picks.
Have to hope that they need the points for bidding etc, which isn't too likely I should think.
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Just another pick in the early twenties would probably do , maybe target Freo's pick 22 -as that would likely give us a shot at both De Koning & Rivers/Stephens.....- of course if the AFL hadn't completely shafted us over the Ellis compo we wouldn't need to worry... >:( we could also chuck in future picks if required but reckon we'll hang on to them as there could be up to three academy kids (definitely Baxter, probably Dwyer & possibly Agog) as well as MJ next year that we might need to match bids for ... :shh
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Why would you trade down if you don't have reason to.
You would have to pay over the odds like Carlton did last year
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Why would you trade down if you don't have reason to.
You would have to pay over the odds like Carlton did last year
put Stocker aside, Carlton did swap 1 1st rounder for 2
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A top 3 player has a very good chance of playing 200 games, pick 20 not so good,
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Cal Twomey's latest phantom draft from a week ago. He has Bianco at our pick 19.
Talk on SEN yesterday had Melbourne looking at taking Jackson at pick 3.
Cal Twomey's 2019 Phantom Form Guide: October update
AFL.com.au
Callum Twomey
Oct 24, 2019
1. Rowell
2. Anderson
3. Green (+2)
4. Serong (-1)
5. Young (-1)
6. Flanders
7. Ash
8. Kemp
9. Robertson (+2)
10. McAsey (-1)
11. D.Stephens (-1)
12. Weightman
13. Worrell
14. Jackson
15. Macginness (+1)
16. Henry (-1)
17. Bergman (+4)
18. Day
19. Bianco (+1)
20. Gould (-3)
21. Mead (-2) .... Port's F/S.
22. De Koning
23. C.Stephens (+5)
24. Rivers (-2)
25. Sharp
26. Jones (+4)
27. Williams (-1)
28. Dow (re-entered)
29. Taylor
30. Ralphsmith (new)
Out of previous lists: Schoenberg, Smith, Taheny.
Full summaries here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-23/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-form-guide-october-update
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how do we get a pick around 10 or a pick inside 15.
Really like Kemp and it will take a top 10 pick. Also like the look of McAsey and he could be there somewhere between 10 and 15.
The other one i like whos a good sized mid and hes also had injuries Cooper Stevens.
Need to trade picks 19 + 38 + 56 (1,607 points) to the likes of:
Melbourne - pick 8 (1,551)
Carlton - pick 9 (1,469)
Fremantle - pick 10 (1,395)
Or maybe 19 + 39 + 41 (1,806) could get it done. Fremantle has pick 7 also (1,644).
Then go to the draft with 3 picks.
Have to hope that they need the points for bidding etc, which isn't too likely I should think.
The only club with a top 10 pick I see being willing to trade out is GWS (pick 6) if they can't convince Melbourne nor Adelaide to swap in their attempt to get Green before any bids (Swans are likely to bid for him at 5). If the Giants are going to have to use most of their draft points to match a bid which prevents them from taking another kid they are interested in then they might as well trade out for the points and try to gain something else in return they can use later on in the draft or next year.
It's hard for us though as we have a weaker set of picks to offer as a swap compared to other clubs after being screwed over by not getting that end of 1st rounder for Ellis ::). For instance, Freo could offer GWS picks 10 & 22 as a swap for picks 6 & 40. That would give Freo picks 6 and 7 to use on other kids before needing to match a bid for their NGA prospect Liam Henry; while GWS use 10 + later picks to match any bid on Green and would still have pick 22 to use on another top kid.
We will probably be restricted to using picks 38, 39 & 41 to move up the second round via a swap.
Eg via Hawthorn:
Rich get 30 & 54 ( = 849 pts )
Haw get 39 & 41 ( = 858 pts )
Leaves us with picks 19, 30, 38, 54, 56, 75, ....
Or via North say (less realistic):
Rich get 27 & 47 ( = 1019 pts )
Norf get 39, 41 & 56 ( = 1052 pts )
Leaves us with picks 19, 27, 38, 47, 75, ...
We have 33 senior listed players and 6 rookies. So it depends if we are planning to use either 5 picks in the National draft or use only 4 and keep a spot spare for any possible future Stack or Pickett.
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What advantage do Hawthorn and North get in those scenarios? Why would they agree to swap?
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I reckon dealing with hawthorn is our best bet.
What are our picks 38, 39, 41 and 56 worth in points?
Is it possible we swap those picks for Hawthorns first. We then pick Maginness Hawthorn matches with our picks we gave them and then we take the next pick.hawthorn then take all there other selections. Wr go to the draft with say 11 and 19.
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I reckon dealing with hawthorn is our best bet.
What are our picks 38, 39, 41 and 56 worth in points?
Is it possible we swap those picks for Hawthorns first. We then pick Maginness Hawthorn matches with our picks we gave them and then we take the next pick.hawthorn then take all there other selections. Wr go to the draft with say 11 and 19.
Those 4 picks total 1517points. Pick 11 is 1329. So we would probably want their pick #63 as well. Those two total 1441
It doesn't favour Hawthorn to get us to agree to pick Maginness at 11. They would want him to slide down so it costs less in matching points. It would only favour Hawthorn if a bid came in the top 10. With the 20% discount they get then they might only have to use 3 of the 4 picks we gave them and they would have then effectly moved their pick 63 up the order to 56 or 41
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KYSIAH PICKETT
Few draftees can challenge Kysiah Pickett for incredible AFL bloodlines ... Another one of Kysiah’s uncles is Richmond premiership player Marlion Pickett. ...
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/find-out-which-draft-hopefuls-have-family-links-in-the-afl-world/news-story/a3a643f4fa47ad6f5d7c7e44ea0fdcb3
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Come across this.
If Gws can't get a deal done for pick 3.
We will offer picks 38/39 & next year's 1st for pick 6.(38 on Green)
Apparently we're very keen on Trent Rivers or Devon Robertson.
Rapt it happened.We keep 19.
6/19/41/56.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-draft-targets-part-ii.1230261/post-63547104
GWS to get Green combine 38+39+40+59+60 = 1644 points.
Equivalent to pick 4 = 2034-20% = 1627 points.
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Come across this.
If Gws can't get a deal done for pick 3.
We will offer picks 38/39 & next year's 1st for pick 6.(38 on Green)
Apparently we're very keen on Trent Rivers or Devon Robertson.
Rapt it happened.We keep 19.
6/19/41/56.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-draft-targets-part-ii.1230261/post-63547104
GWS to get Green combine 38+39+40+59+60 = 1644 points.
Equivalent to pick 4 = 2034-20% = 1627 points.
We would effectively move next year's pick 18 to a top 10 pick this year for a cost of a couple of end of second round picks. Works for me. Then need to get a good mid to take over main mid duties in 3/4 years time at #6(#7)
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Can't see GWS doing that, especially with us. :shh
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Any one of:
Rivers;
Stephens;
Robertson;
Sharp; or
Taylor
will do with our first.
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Taylor has a lot of X factor....... :shh
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Taylor doesn't really fill any urgent need but also the sort of raw pure talent we like to target with earlier picks these days ala Bolton, Balta, RCD...most likely of the names to be still available if we don't trade up...will be between him and De Koning I reckon...still the latter for me though.... :shh
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What advantage do Hawthorn and North get in those scenarios? Why would they agree to swap?
The North one is less realistic as I said but the Hawthorn one was actually mentioned by a Hawk supporter on their forum. With Finn Maguiness as their father-son, they would be interested in having a bunch of 3 picks around 40 like we currently have. They would end up with picks 11, 39, 41, 42, 63 after such a swap. With picks 11 + 63 including the 20% discount they effective have points equivalent to pick 5 which should cover any bid on Maguiness if it comes. That swap then enables them to draft another 3 kids inside the top 42 (early 3rd round) of an even midrange draft.
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What advantage do Hawthorn and North get in those scenarios? Why would they agree to swap?
The North one is less realistic as I said but the Hawthorn one was actually mentioned by a Hawk supporter on their forum. With Finn Maguiness as their father-son, they would be interested in having a bunch of 3 picks around 40 like we currently have. They would end up with picks 11, 39, 41, 42, 63 after such a swap. With picks 11 + 63 including the 20% discount they effective have points equivalent to pick 5 which should cover any bid on Maguiness if it comes. That swap then enables them to draft another 3 kids inside the top 42 (early 3rd round) of an even midrange draft.
But a club has to use their picks in order to match a bid. Or at least that is what I think. So they would need to use up all of pick 11 point value then use pick 39.
A bid at #5 has value of 1878 and Hawthorn have to match 80% of that or 1502. Pick 11 has 1329 points so it loses all of its value and drops to last spot in the order. Hawthorn then have to find 173 points from their next pick, which would be #39. Value of 39 is 446 less the 173 leaves 273 points on that pick and therefore the 39 drops down the order and slots in at pick #50
if they keep pick 30 then the 173 points off pick 30 value of 629 leaves 456 and then pick 30 drops down to slot in at pick 39. So Hawthorn do not need to trade at all. They already cover a pick 5 bid and they gain every pick the player drops down the order.
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Come across this.
If Gws can't get a deal done for pick 3.
We will offer picks 38/39 & next year's 1st for pick 6.(38 on Green)
Apparently we're very keen on Trent Rivers or Devon Robertson.
Rapt it happened.We keep 19.
6/19/41/56.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-draft-targets-part-ii.1230261/post-63547104
GWS to get Green combine 38+39+40+59+60 = 1644 points.
Equivalent to pick 4 = 2034-20% = 1627 points.
We would effectively move next year's pick 18 to a top 10 pick this year for a cost of a couple of end of second round picks. Works for me. Then need to get a good mid to take over main mid duties in 3/4 years time at #6(#7)
A great deal for us especially if we have a free agent in mind next year.
However, I don't see GWS doing it when other clubs can offer them better picks. For instance, Freo can offer picks 10 & 22 which then allows GWS to use 10 + later picks on Green and still have another high-ish pick (22) in this year's stronger draft which is probably rated a better pick in terms of the quality of kids available than our late first rounder in next year's weaker draft (assuming we play finals in 2020).
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As I said, thanks the BEllis gyp, we probably need to be realistic and just try to get another pick in the 20's...the general consensus seems to be that after Rowell, Anderson, Greene, Kemp and maybe one two others, you can pretty much chuck a blanket over the rest of the top 30... :shh
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What advantage do Hawthorn and North get in those scenarios? Why would they agree to swap?
The North one is less realistic as I said but the Hawthorn one was actually mentioned by a Hawk supporter on their forum. With Finn Maguiness as their father-son, they would be interested in having a bunch of 3 picks around 40 like we currently have. They would end up with picks 11, 39, 41, 42, 63 after such a swap. With picks 11 + 63 including the 20% discount they effective have points equivalent to pick 5 which should cover any bid on Maguiness if it comes. That swap then enables them to draft another 3 kids inside the top 42 (early 3rd round) of an even midrange draft.
But a club has to use their picks in order to match a bid. Or at least that is what I think. So they would need to use up all of pick 11 point value then use pick 39.
A bid at #5 has value of 1878 and Hawthorn have to match 80% of that or 1502. Pick 11 has 1329 points so it loses all of its value and drops to last spot in the order. Hawthorn then have to find 173 points from their next pick, which would be #39. Value of 39 is 446 less the 173 leaves 273 points on that pick and therefore the 39 drops down the order and slots in at pick #50
if they keep pick 30 then the 173 points off pick 30 value of 629 leaves 456 and then pick 30 drops down to slot in at pick 39. So Hawthorn do not need to trade at all. They already cover a pick 5 bid and they gain every pick the player drops down the order.
You're right about the order ( me <- doh! ).
Even so, Hawthorn don't lose from that swap. It's a couple spots either way here and there.
Under the first scenario (swap), they would be left with Maguiness then picks 41, 42, 50, 63.
Under the second scenario (no swap), they would have Maguiness then picks 39, 42, 54, 63.
The swap is a fair one as denoted by the points being fairly even.
If we offered them 38 & 39 instead for 30 & 54 (worse points wise for us) then they would be in front as effectively their pick 54 would move up the draft to 49 while everything else remains the same.
Under the first scenario (swap), they would be left with Maguiness then picks 39, 42, 49, 63.
Under the second scenario (no swap), they would have Maguiness then picks 39, 42, 54, 63.
If we swapped 38 & 39 then we'd be left with picks 19, 30, 41, 54, 56, ...
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That can work. The key would be where Hawthorn expects a bid to come. Under 11 they don't need to trade really
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An article on one of the kids we've been linked to: Trent Rivers.
Class of 2019: Why this top-30 prospect spent his pre-season on the couch
AFL.com.au
Callum Twomey
Nov 6, 2019
(https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/rivers041119.jpg)
Trent Rivers in action during the 2km time trial at the 2019 NAB AFL Draft Combine. All pictures: AFL Photos.
A PRE-SEASON spent on the couch watching the cricket and barely eating forced Trent Rivers to reassess his aims for his draft campaign.
But after winning under-18 All Australian honours for his performances for Western Australia, and then finishing the season in excellent form for East Fremantle, Rivers shapes as a possible top-30 draft choice this month.
That seemed a long way off when Rivers was bedridden over summer, as the teenager dealt with a serious case of glandular fever and tonsillitis.
It left Rivers, an attacking and powerful defender who can play in the midfield as a bigger body, with little time to prepare for his crunch under-18 season.
"I was diagnosed in very late December and I was only walking laps in late February. I started running and doing full training at the start of March, and I was playing my first scratch match in the middle of March," he told AFL.com.au.
"I didn't even think I was going to be playing footy until round five, but I played in round one and started with a good game."
As his West Australian teammates gathered for training camps over the pre-season, Rivers was stuck inside at home, getting more concerned by the day that his chance to impress clubs was fading.
"I did think that, but I had a really good group of doctors around me and they were holding me back and making sure I was taking it step by step and doing it in the correct procedure," he said.
"I wasn't able to play footy and I wasn't able to participate in the camps we had in the December and January period, so I was a bit worried about what recruiters would look at and see. I think they'd all understand that it was pretty serious."
Rivers wasted no time upon return from illness, gathering 26 disposals in the East Fremantle colts' round one clash with Claremont.
The 188cm prospect continued at the same pace before being a standout for his state at the national carnival, averaging 22 disposals at 77 per cent efficiency in a long-kicking, dashing role in defence.
Rivers works hard to penetrate with his run and disposal, and has also been used at stages in the midfield, where he sees himself potentially playing in the future if he can improve his endurance.
That's where he played late in East Fremantle's end to its under-18 season, including in the final round, when he picked up 30 touches and kicked two goals in a best-afield display.
Rivers knows the likelihood lies with his name being called by a club outside of Western Australia, but is prepared for that transition.
"It's been pretty exciting talking to [all the clubs] and getting an insight into how they see me as a footballer and as a person," he said.
"Being only two clubs in WA if you're going to set yourself to be in this position you’ve got to get used to the thought of not being at home and being at home in Queensland or Victoria or wherever it may be. I've got my head around that. I am going to see where it takes me."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-06/class-of-2019-trent-rivers
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Callum Twomey and Riley Beveridge from their latest draft podcast:
Link here: [go to 31:30 mark]: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-06/listen-what-will-the-cats-do-at-the-draft-plus-inside-the-tim-kelly-trade
Twitter Question: What key forward will Richmond take at pick 19?
* Not a lot of key forwards out there (in this draft).
* Worrall not a key forward. Himself and the recruiters see him as a key back.
* Harrison Jones is one (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro, 25/2/2001, 196cm, 78kg).
* Believes we won't necessarily pick a key forward or tall at 19 as we're pretty well covered for talls with CCJ, Balta & Lynch.
* If we're desperate for one then Emerson Jeka could be a later selection. A bit of a mystery where he will go in the draft. Some clubs are fans (Western Jets/Vic Metro, 18/9/2001, 197cm, 89kg).
* Cooper Stephens maybe around 19 (midfielder, Vic Country/Geelong Falcons, 17/1/01, 188cm, 83kg).
* Hugo Ralphsmith has been linked to Richmond (midfielder, Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro, 9/11/01, 188cm, 75kg).
* Will Day also likely to be around that pick (half back, South Australia/West Adelaide, 5/6/01, 189cm, 76kg).
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Taylor has a lot of X factor....... :shh
Elijah Taylor had been well liked by our recruiters for months. I can see him being our first pick.
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Get set for draft night drama: Why clubs are holding fire on pick swaps.
... we are unlikely to see clubs doing major pick swaps before the draft starts on November 27, because some will want to wait and know for certain where a bid has come for Academy or father-son choices before committing to a deal.
Clubs are expected to have 'in case of emergency' deals ready to go, though, as would likely be the case in this hypothetical.
However, some clubs are reluctant to do deals on the night, saying they would prefer to have their trades already done before the draft and to not have to make the calls during the helter-skelter nature of the event.
The bid situation has other clubs watching on with interest. Like Gold Coast, others such as Brisbane (picks 16 and 21) and Geelong (picks 14 and 17) are looking to move up the table by packaging selections.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-07/get-set-for-draft-night-drama-why-clubs-are-holding-fire-on-pick-swaps
We would be another one of those clubs watching on with interest if the AFL didn't screw us over on the Ellis compo ::).
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From Foxsports' Live AFL Draft chat with Matt Balmer today:
Q. Who do you think Richmond will look at with its first pick ?
A. Pick 19 isn't really an easy one. Guys like Miles Bergman, Will Day and Trent Rivers could suit. I reckon they'll look for a wingman/half back with some speed.
Q. Who do you think Richmond may be targeting at pick 20? Thanks 😀
A. Trent Rivers and Hugo Ralphsmith would be two I think they might look at
Q. Will Richmond look to bundle their numerous picks around Pick 40 to try and trade up the draft?
A. I don't think they will look to be too creative. Pickett and Stack show they don't need to get up the draft to pull in stars!
Q. Matt, How deep is this draft? Around about what pick/s does it open up to be a needs basis? How does it compare to 2018/2017/
A. No draft class will get close to the superdraft 2.0 in 2018. I think the first round is similar to 2017 in some ways. I reckon after about Pick 30 it really opens up. Some clubs think there's a group of 8-9 then a drop.
Q. Matt, How deep is the draft? At around what pick does it become a needs basis or a lottery?
A. I'd say after Pick 30. There will be plenty of hits and misses after that.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2019-live-chat-draft-order-top-draft-prospects-matt-rowell-luke-jackson-hayden-young/news-story/5294290e0f34919b0f46ab1809fca840
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Club really should've gone harder at the AFL over the BEliis compo farce publicly and also singled out that agenda-driven piece of shyte flog Barrett with his conflict of interest as an AFL employee ...club should blackball the scumbag... >:(
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Here's Will Day -one the kids tipped to go at our first:
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Impressive piece of play but he still reminds me of Menadud & Fiora, who both used to do stuff like that in juniors as well...:shh
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That’s :lol
2 seconds of vision and he is already a dud!
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Here's Will Day -one the kids tipped to go at our first:
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Impressive piece of play but he still reminds me of Menadud & Fiora, who both used to do stuff like that in juniors as well...:shh
Similar move to that magical moment when Pickett spun in the middle of the G :shh does Pickett remind you of those players :lol
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Read we were linked to Jeremy Sharp at some point. Love the look of Devon Robertson but will be gone at our pick
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That’s :lol
2 seconds of vision and he is already a dud!
Pretty clear I wasn't judging him on that vision... (hint: keywords were "impressive" and "still")... :shh
Similar move to that magical moment when Pickett spun in the middle of the G :shh does Pickett remind you of those players :lol
Yeah almost identical and of course that was all Pickett did in the GF and of course the AFL GF is just like junior footy...and of course I must also comparing them both to the likes of Conca as well...... :shh :shh
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Read we were linked to Jeremy Sharp at some point. Love the look of Devon Robertson but will be gone at our pick
Heard it's out of Rivers, Day, De Koning, Stephens, Sharp, Taylor & Pickett in pretty much that order.... :shh
Not sure we'll take De Koning now...also heard that people expecting us to prioritise our KPD depth in the draft might be a tad disappointed....hope it's wrong.. :shh :shh
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A guide on who may be available with our bunch of picks in the late 30s/early 40s if we hold onto them.
AFL draft power rankings 26-50: Hidden gems your club can get for a bargain
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2019-draft-rankings-power-rankings-draft-board-top-10-prospects-matt-balmer-draft-prospects/news-story/8446ef0ed7548c98bf6fbd2496413441
38. Harry SCHOENBERG
Clubs: Woodville-West Torrens/South Australia
Position: Inside Midfielder
Size: 182cm, 83kg
Bio: Twelve months ago, Schoenberg was a relatively unknown prospect, seemingly unlikely to be drafted. But fast forward to 2019, the midfielder put up a case in the Under 18 Championships to ensure his name is likely to be called out on draft night. The 18-year-old won the MVP award for South Australia after averaging 27 disposals and six clearances in the carnival. His numbers were also impressive at SANFL Reserves and U18s level for the Eagles. He is a strong clearance player and uses his strength at the stoppages to get the ball going forward.
39. Cooper SHARMAN
Clubs: Oakleigh Chargers
Position: General Forward
Size: 192cm, 79kg
Bio: When AFL clubs begun trekking out to Balwyn in the Eastern Football League, Sharman’s name was always going to arise as a potential draft bolter. The 192cm forward is one of the better set-shot kickers in the draft pool and is mobile around the ground. After being cut from the GWS Academy in the past, Sharman has continued to develop as a 19-year-old and impressed at NAB League level when given the opportunity.
41. Nick BRYAN
Clubs: Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Position: Ruck
Size: 202cm, 87kg
Bio: A lack of consistency across 2019 will hold Bryan back from being a first-round selection, but the 202cm tall remains one of the premier rucks in this year’s draft pool. His ruck work and mobility around the ground makes him appeal to AFL clubs, with his speed and work at ground level meaning he can play up forward if needed. He is far from the finished product, with clubs hoping to develop Bryan over coming years.
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TheRoar's phanton draft has us taking Will Day with our first pick.
https://www.theroar.com.au/afl/afl-phantom-draft/
Pick 21 – Richmond Tigers – Will Day
189cm, 76kg
The Tigers can afford to pick someone who needs a bit of development, and Will Day is exactly that. A great user of the ball, he’s tall but very skinny. Could be elite if he builds up his size.
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https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/will-day/
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will day reminds me of cale Morton.
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Nothing like Morton. Morton was scared of the dark
Those in the know compare him to Andrew Mackie
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TheRoar's phanton draft has us taking Will Day with our first pick.
https://www.theroar.com.au/afl/afl-phantom-draft/
Pick 21 – Richmond Tigers – Will Day
189cm, 76kg
The Tigers can afford to pick someone who needs a bit of development, and Will Day is exactly that. A great user of the ball, he’s tall but very skinny. Could be elite if he builds up his size.
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1573257701038-png.776687/)
https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/will-day/
Too light, pass
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Grandson of a gun’s draft stocks rising quickly
Matt Turner
The Advertiser
9 Nov 2019
Will Day is the grandson of a West Adelaide great, a Gold Coast supporter, the cousin of a Suns player, a former baseballer – and has shot up AFL draft calculations.
Day, whose grandpa is SA Football Hall of Famer and 1971 Hawthorn premiership player Robert Day, and cousin is Sam Day, shapes as a possible top-20 pick later this month after a stellar year across half-back for West, Sacred Heart College and the SA under-18s.
Among Day’s best attributes are his skills on both sides of his body, honed from an early age with his grandpa at a park in Novar Gardens.
Robert, now 75, does not miss one of Day’s games, even flying to Melbourne to watch him during the national under-18 championships.
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West Adelaide half-back flanker Will Day looms as a top-20 pick in this year’s AFL National Draft. Picture: Dean Martin
“When I was real young I heard he was a good footballer then as I got older, I’d hear some of the stories … and research a bit,” Day, 18, says of his grandpa, a three-time best and fairest, former captain and Team of the Centuries member at West.
“From a real young age he’d get me to kick on my left and handball on my left, and always talk about getting the edge over your opponents.
“At the age of nine or 10 we started that and by the age of 12 I was able to kick on my left like it was my right.”
Being two-sided has long been in Day’s kitbag but plenty has changed in his world over the past 18 months.
He was 180cm and playing with Glenelg’s juniors early last year, only to shoot up 9cm and switch to West midway through last season.
Last summer he was a shortstop for Glenelg Baseball Club and member of the state under-18 team in that sport.
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Will Day (second-left) with Sacred Heart teammate Beau McRae and Rostrevor duo Cameron Taheny and Stefan Lanzoni ahead of their college intercol. Picture: Matt Turner
But the reality of being on the cusp of an AFL career began to hit him last year when he played in the SANFL futures game before the state league grand final and he quit baseball at the end of last season.
“It popped in my mind to follow that (baseball) but in the end it was always footy that was going to be number one,” he says.
This past season, Day averaged 26 disposals in four under-18 games for the Bloods and also played three reserves matches once school footy with Sacred Heart finished.
He showcased not only his kicking but footy IQ, ability to read the play and athleticism, helping him jump up phantom drafts.
“I have a few mates who’ll tag me in them on social media and I’ll have a quick read but I don’t dive into them too much,” he says.
“It’s pretty flattering to see yourself go up a bit but I’m not fussed what number I go, as long as I’m picked up by an AFL club.”
Day has turned to Sam, 27, for advice in the lead-up to the draft.
When Sam joined the Suns via pick three at the 2010 national draft, Day switched allegiances from Carlton to Gold Coast.
“He’s just said to don’t worry about it too much, just get the nerves out and have a good time,” Day says.
Along with picks one and two, Gold Coast has the 15th and 20th selections – a part of the draft where Day may hear his name called.
“Looking at their list, they’ve got a lot of young talent … so it’d be exciting if I got the chance to go up there,” he says.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/west-adelaide-halfback-flanker-will-day-cousin-of-gold-coasts-sam-day-and-grandson-of-robert-day-looms-as-a-top20-pick-at-afl-national-draft/news-story/14d87d2ce2d3c822ad1b476d975494ce
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Looks classy day.
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Gold Coast supporter with a cousin already playing there - given their issues with player retention and with 4 picks in the top 20 you'd think they'd take him for sure.. :shh
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Put him on steroid and wait for the 4 year ban to end. Then he should be right to go hahaha
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Nat Fyfe was 74kg when drafted. I would be happy to give him the time required should our guys believe he is best available. We have time to develop kids :shh
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Yeah let's give him 5 years.....the only real question is if he's quick enough to win the GF sprint... :shh :shh
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Will Day barracks for Gold Coast. We should let him go there. Pass for me.
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Will Day barracks for Gold Coast. We should let him go there. Pass for me.
Perfect. Once he's developed he comes down to us from our Northern Development Team. ;D
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Reckon they'll take him at pick 15 if he's still there, especially if they think he won't last to 20.... :shh
Will Day barracks for Gold Coast. We should let him go there. Pass for me.
Perfect. Once he's developed he comes down to us from our Northern Development Team. ;D
Why would he leave the club he barracks for? He's not Matty White...... :shh :shh
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Will Day barracks for Gold Coast. We should let him go there. Pass for me.
Perfect. Once he's developed he comes down to us from our Northern Development Team. ;D
Can GWS be one too? ;D
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gws-academy-member-tom-green-in-the-sights-of-melbourne-adelaide-and-sydney/news-story/ba7021b101848dae53400371080e1e56
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Top 25 draft prospects: Future AFL stars headline class of 2019
November 11, 2019
Matt Balmer
FOX SPORTS
The 2019 draft pool might be lacking the eliteness of last year’s ‘super draft’.
But there is no doubting there are a number classy prospects who will reach the lofty heights of AFL and become future stars – some of whom have been tracked by recruiting personnel since they represented their state at Under 12 level.
1. Matt ROWELL
2. Noah ANDERSON
3. Hayden YOUNG
4. Caleb SERONG
5. Tom GREEN
6. Lachie ASH
7. Sam FLANDERS
8. Brodie KEMP
9. Luke JACKSON
10. Dylan STEPHENS
11. Fischer MCASEY
12. Liam HENRY
13. Deven ROBERTSON
14. Will DAY
15. JOSH WORRELL
16. Trent RIVERS
17. Finn MAGINNESS
18. Miles BERGMAN
19. Cody WEIGHTMAN
20. Dylan WILLIAMS
21. Will GOULD
22. Trent BIANCO
23. Elijah TAYLOR
24. Cooper STEPHENS
25. Cameron TAHENY
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2019-power-rankings-draft-board-top-25-prospects-matt-balmer-matt-rowell-afl-draft-order/news-story/b9b9277a0d37ea9300a4b943a06c372c
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The AFL website says we're interested in Bianco.
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Bianco never really hit a flat patch throughout 2019. Early in the year he picked up 42 disposals for the Chargers, and then at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships he was shifted to half-back for Vic Metro.
He averaged 18 disposals in four games and grew into the carnival, using his brilliant vision to set up the game from the back half. After the carnival he returned to lead the Chargers, finishing the season averaging 27 disposals and as the skipper of their premiership team.
"I like to get up and down the ground and use my running as a strength," he said.
"I was always a midfielder growing up. The last few years I've played down back, but I'd much rather be up around the ball. That's where I prefer to play for sure, it's where I think I can impact more and help the team."
It's where Bianco shone in the Chargers' finals series – a relatively hard task in itself, given some of the company he kept throughout the year.
Playing in the same team – and midfield – as likely top-two picks Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson means it is easy to go a little unnoticed. Bianco made sure that didn't happen in the final month of his season though.
He started his campaign with 24 disposals and a goal in the qualifying final, before 27 touches and five inside 50s in the preliminary final.
Bianco gets a kick away during the NAB League qualifying final against Gippsland Power. Picture: AFL Photos
Then, in the Grand Final win over the Eastern Ranges, Bianco gathered 29 disposals and 10 marks to lead his side to a premiership win, a year after he played in Oakleigh's Grand Final loss to Dandenong.
"It's an honour to captain such a talented and good group. It was an unreal feeling when that siren went and everyone got together. It was such a relief in potentially our last game of junior footy. To hold up that cup was special," he said.
Bianco's ball use throughout the finals stood out, using both his preferred right foot and non-preferred left to spot targets, open up space, deliver to teammates and make things happen. The 178cm prospect only needs a look, or a flash in the corner of his eye, to make the right call with the ball in his hands.
It's why the likes of Richmond, Gold Coast, Port Adelaide and Geelong have all been linked to Bianco in the first 20 picks on draft night.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-10/class-of-2019-trent-bianco
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The 178cm prospect
Pass... :shh
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From reading, I like the sound/size of:
Harry Schoenberg (inside mid)
Jake Riccardi (KPF)
Emerson Jeka (KPD)
Fraser Phillips (med FWD)
Sam Philp (inside mid)
Darcy Chirgwin (inside mid)
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For me we need KP kids coming through.
Probably more so a defender but definitely both.
At present Garthwaite is about it for KPD and I don’t think he is any good.
Is there any decent KP kids at our first pick?
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Isnt this draft light on for talls?
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For me we need KP kids coming through.
Probably more so a defender but definitely both.
At present Garthwaite is about it for KPD and I don’t think he is any good.
Is there any decent KP kids at our first pick?
Possibly Will Gould at 19. Only 192cm tall but quite a unit at 106kg. Would need to trim down big time.
Of the blokes I mentioned I reckon Harry Schoenberg could be gone by our first pick anyway.
Elsewise, drafting on a need/depth basis:
Jake Riccardi (KPF) is listed at 194/96. Pick 38.
Emerson Jeka (KPD) is listed at 198/90. Pick 39.
Sam Philp (In Mid) is listed at 186/79 or Fraser Phillips (Mid FWD) is listed at 187/72. Pick 41.
Darcy Chirgwin (In Mid) is listed at 191/80. Pick 56 if he slips that far.
Picks 75, 77 and 95 are probably for rookie elevations you'd think.
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Nothing about us but this article looks at who may go before our first pick and to which club. It gives us an idea of which kids will be stillavailable at our pick.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-11/state-of-play-how-the-first-round-of-the-draft-is-shaping-up
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Some more vision of Will Day from SA U18 v Vic Country:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpH6kCBGWJw
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Why aren't we interested in Tom Green son of Michael 4 times Richmond premiership player? He has to be a good father son option and a replacement for Cotch when he retires
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Why aren't we interested in Tom Green son of Michael 4 times Richmond premiership player? He has to be a good father son option and a replacement for Cotch when he retires
He is Grandson not Son & part of GWS Academy
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We probably are but he belings to GWS academy. We dont have the picks for them to trade. Our best shot is to get him in 2 or 3 years.
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Curses he sounds a good prospect.
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Our best bet is hope Melbourne bids on Green at 3 then the Giants trade down the order where we might be able to step into pick 6. We would have to give up next years first and this years first plus probably more using our 3rd rounders. Not sure how that actually works with points. At pick 6 I would take Devon Robertson or Brodie Kemp
Can someone tell me if this is actually a live possibility or tell me I'm dreamin
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With MJ , Dwyer & Baxter (Academy) all due I can't see us trading next year's first or any of next year's picks that that matter, probably need every one of them plus a few more via trades, in fact I could even see us trading some of this year's picks for next year's,...forget about trading for any pick lower than our current first rounder, we simply don't have the currency (thanks again AFL and your little purple parrot)...as I've said, our most realistic option is trading for another pick in the 20's or low 30's and even that looks highly unlikely at this stage... :shh
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For me we need KP kids coming through.
Probably more so a defender but definitely both.
At present Garthwaite is about it for KPD and I don’t think he is any good.
Is there any decent KP kids at our first pick?
Possibly Will Gould at 19. Only 192cm tall but quite a unit at 106kg. Would need to trim down big time.
Of the blokes I mentioned I reckon Harry Schoenberg could be gone by our first pick anyway.
Elsewise, drafting on a need/depth basis:
Jake Riccardi (KPF) is listed at 194/96. Pick 38.
Emerson Jeka (KPD) is listed at 198/90. Pick 39.
Sam Philp (In Mid) is listed at 186/79 or Fraser Phillips (Mid FWD) is listed at 187/72. Pick 41.
Darcy Chirgwin (In Mid) is listed at 191/80. Pick 56 if he slips that far.
Picks 75, 77 and 95 are probably for rookie elevations you'd think.
For me I can cop if a KPD isn’t 195cm and up, but they just need to be quick, decent in the air, have a decent jump on him, but most importantly agile enough to compete when the ball hits the ground.
Grimes is the perfect prototype IMO. He can compete with anyone in the AFL.
Hawthorn through their purple patch had smaller types of defenders but all were like I have described.
So in saying all that, is there any defenders in the draft at any pick that have those qualities? But maybe just on the smaller/lighter size for a KPD?
KPF are a completely a different kettle of fish IMO.
Much harder to pick a KPF from the draft.
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Mock Draft on Cal Toomeys Podcast again has taking Wil Day at 21.
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The same Cal Twomey who had Naish in the top 10? :shh
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Will post later tonight or tomorrow the clubs thoughts...... :shh
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Who we getting Doc?
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Will post later tonight or tomorrow the clubs thoughts...... :shh
Are there any plans for live pick trading? Targeting any KPPs? :shh :shh
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Anyone rate Jay Rantall and Sam Philp for our 38, 39, 41 picks.
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Will post later tonight or tomorrow the clubs thoughts...... :shh
Are there any plans for live pick trading? Targeting any KPPs? :shh :shh
The answer is, of course.
Also I have decided no to post the club's preferences in case the information is leaked by anyone who even just visits the website. I trust the posters here that have been long term followers of OER, so if anyone wants to know how the club ranks the first 27 players, please PM me. I have copied the post I was going to put up and will just paste it in the reply to the PM.
:cheers
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Cooper Stephens update: Tiges have indeed talked to him (as expected) and he would be ecstatic to get there. He supports the Hawks.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-draft-targets-part-ii.1230261/post-63635217
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Also I have decided no to post the club's preferences in case the information is leaked by anyone who even just visits the website. I trust the posters here that have been long term followers of OER, so if anyone wants to know how the club ranks the first 27 players, please PM me. I have copied the post I was going to put up and will just paste it in the reply to the PM.
:cheers
PM please, YaBB :).
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PM please Yabb?
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Sorry if I've sent the same reply multiple times as I have had several requests and it's hard doing the replies on my phone! ;D
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Hopefully you got my P.M request YABB?
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I'd like to thank whoever told the club that I've sent PMs with information about the draft. They have contacted me and despite me thinking I was being discreet, they have decided to review my membership for next year. They will also most likely never present such information to members again.
I will not be posting on this website again.
I wish you all the best for the future.
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I'd like to thank whoever told the club that I've sent PMs with information about the draft. They have contacted me and despite me thinking I was being discreet, they have decided to review my membership for next year. They will also most likely never present such information to members again.
I will not be posting on this website again.
I wish you all the best for the future.
Honestly have a bloke who helps out and share good information and gets shafted :banghead pull your heads in.
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Why would someone do something like that. The person who put in Doc.. you are a scumbag who just cost all the rest with your stupidity and youve probably just cost Doc his membership.
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I'd like to thank whoever told the club that I've sent PMs with information about the draft. They have contacted me and despite me thinking I was being discreet, they have decided to review my membership for next year. They will also most likely never present such information to members again.
I will not be posting on this website again.
I wish you all the best for the future.
Some of us live interstate and overseas and can’t get this info.
We’re as passionate and loyal as anyone else in the Tiger Army and respect that it is confidential and not for discussion.
It was not posted on a public forum and has not been leaked. No different than some bloke telling his mates down the pub afterwards.
The person who dobbed on him is a lowlife prick.
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I'd like to thank whoever told the club that I've sent PMs with information about the draft. They have contacted me and despite me thinking I was being discreet, they have decided to review my membership for next year. They will also most likely never present such information to members again.
I will not be posting on this website again.
I wish you all the best for the future.
Wondering whether the club monitors the website and found out this way? Not sure what is to be gained for someone to contact the club?
If someone did they should be deeply ashamed and fess up and apologies like a man
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The Docs post shows that someone contacted the club and put him in. Just a disgrace. Asking him for a PM and then ringing the club. Last year Doc gave some of us real info and we all kept ouf mouths shut. This year someone who probably wanted to suck up to the club put him in. Whoever you are in here you are a dead set prick and a half.
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Obviously the lagging dog was someone who knows who YBB is in real life otherwise how else would the club know it was him? :shh
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I'd like to thank whoever told the club that I've sent PMs with information about the draft. They have contacted me and despite me thinking I was being discreet, they have decided to review my membership for next year. They will also most likely never present such information to members again.
I will not be posting on this website again.
I wish you all the best for the future.
This is incredibly disappointing behaviour by the forum poster(s) who have done this to YABB.
While we have had our differences, I’ve always respected his views on this forum and felt he has been very generous sharing information about the club for those who are hungry for inside intel.
I can’t imagine how shattering this must be for YABB to have the club send this message and also the embarrassment of being contacted in this way.
What we have together and in common is the love of this football club.
This forum should be a brotherhood and loyalties should never be compromised.
The fact this has happened says more about the integrity of the poster who has dobbed in YABB and I hope they are feeling pretty bloody small right now.
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Hopefully the people who run this site have some contacts within the club and we can find out who the dog is and they can be banned for life from this forum.
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The forum is open to guests to read. So not necessarily an OERite, especially a regular, may have been involved. Someone lurking who didn't receive the PM could have wrongly thought the PM was full of specific details which it wasn't.
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Champion Data's mock draft has Trent Rivers ranked at pick 19.
Top 30 AFL young guns revealed — and there’s a shock at No. 2
19. TRENT RIVERS
Clubs: East Fremantle/Western Australia
Position: Medium Defender/Balanced Midfielder
Size: 188cm, 83kg
Plays like: Shaun Burgoyne
Champion Data says: Rivers was one of the best performed general defenders at the 2019 NAB AFL Under 18 Championships, ranking in the top three players for disposals, uncontested possessions, marks and intercept possessions. He was the No. 1 ranked defender in the WAFL Colts collecting 100 ranking points in all nine of his games.
foxfooty.com.au says: A consistent season has kept Rivers’ name in first-round contention. His versatility across halfback and in the midfield means he will be snapped up early.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-mock-draft-2019-champion-data-rankings-pick-1-prospects-matt-rowell-tom-green-noah-anderson/news-story/e8b5be824b0695bda92ce6a7869dd570
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/champion-datas-top-30-prospects-for-the-2019-national-draft/news-story/33346148f17a3a44e6f80473c461e25a
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Injured midfielder Cooper Stephens could be snapped up by Richmond with Pick 19, with the Tigers also interested in Hugo Ralphsmith and Will Day.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2019-whispers-rumours-state-of-play-draft-order-picks-selections-potential-draftees/news-story/319374c382228d1db7624d9cc9b79625
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Geez would be handy if Kemp slid all the way down to our first... :shh
De Koning & one of C.Stephens or Rivers would be a dream result.. will somehow probably need to somehow get another pick between 21 & 31... :shh :shh
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Geez would be handy if Kemp slid all the way down to our first... :shh
De Koning & one of C.Stephens or Rivers would be a dream result.. will somehow probably need to somehow get another pick between 21 & 31... :shh :shh
We should have it until the afl shafted us and that Clown working for the afl pushed the agenda they don't deserve it yet hear bugger all last couple years with other clubs no comment how a 2 time premiership player is worth pick 41 and Yolman played lucky 20 games worth 4 or 5 picks later.
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The draft profile page on AFL.com is absolutely pathetic. Why even bother putting up this half hearted effort...embarrassing :banghead
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Here's the link: https://www.afl.com.au/draft/prospects
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Will Gould looks handy, any opinion?
Played all year for Glenelg, 191cm, 98 kgs, state captain, quality
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Didnt he balloon out to 107kgs. I was a fan but his weight was as far as I know out of control.
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https://twitter.com/MattBalmer7/status/1196246153441902592
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The AFL website is saying Brodie Kemp could be this year's slider.
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The highly rated tall who could be this year's slider
AFL.com.au
Callum Twomey
Nov 18, 2019
BRODIE Kemp is under no illusions. As the highly touted prospect who suffered a major injury just months ago, he knows his place in this year's NAB AFL Draft is hard to predict.
Kemp knows that it could impact where his name is called, and by which club. He's also aware that as much as his ambition is to return next year and be ready to play at the top level, clubs might not agree.
The versatile Bendigo Pioneers product shapes as one of the most interesting names to follow in next week's first round on Wednesday night.
He is among the group of players invited to attend the draft at Marvel Stadium, with Carlton, Melbourne and Hawthorn among the clubs linked to him, but even he admits his knee reconstruction in July has left his spot uncertain.
"I like to try to be pragmatic and think it hasn't affected too much. I'll obviously slide a little bit and that's all part of the recruiting side of things but the good thing is it didn't affect too much," he told AFL.com.au.
"With my knee it makes it a little bit harder to estimate where I might go considering I'm not sure what clubs are willing to not play me next year, and what clubs are."
Clubs will also have different views on where Kemp will play long-term. Some see him mainly as a key defender who, at 193cm, can intercept marks and set up the play.
Others think he can pinch-hit as a forward, while some scouts think the midfield is where his future lies, a view Kemp shares given his height and strength around the stoppages. Clubs saw that at the mid-year under-18 championships, where Kemp starred for Vic Country averaging 20 disposals.
He's glad he was able to show his qualities at national level.
"The good thing was I was able to play the first half of the season and then definitely the most important block of games was the championships. I was lucky enough and grateful to play those games," he said.
"From then I was really happy with my performance. Doing my knee was the worst case scenario, but the best case scenario was when it happened and I only missed a couple of games after that. It was disappointing and obviously I really wanted to keep playing footy."
Kemp sustained his injury playing for school side Geelong Grammar, after his right knee buckled when he went to avoid a tackle.
It was a straight anterior cruciate ligament tear without any further damage, leading to optimism he will be ready to play again in the middle of next year.
Kemp is targeting a return, but realises clubs assessing him may be a little more cautious, particularly if they use a top-10 choice on him.
"In my mind I am. That's the goal, that at the 10-month mark I can get back in May or June. That's my goal but I think for a club it's an investment, it's not a 12-month investment," he said.
"I'd think they'd be conservative and not want to play me next year in the AFL but some could give me an opportunity. I think they'll be a bit conservative and rightfully so as well.
"But the year after that I'll definitely be back and play a few more games without any knee injuries."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-18/class-of-2019-brodie-kemp
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Surely we grab him if he's still on the board at our first... a mix of Cripps,The Bont, Stringer & a footy smart version of Balta... :shh
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Foxsports looking at some of the kids that may go outside the first round:
Darcy CHIRGWIN
Clubs: Sandringham Dragons/Vic Country
Position: Inside Midfielder
Size: 191cm, 80kg
Teams that may suit: Essendon, Richmond and Sydney
Bio: A broken leg meant the first half of Chirgwin’s season was virtually a write-off. But he soon returned to the Sandringham Dragons, following a school football stint at Melbourne Grammar, averaging 24.7 disposals and 7.9 tackles in the final seven matches. His clearance work is good, with the athletic 191cm midfielder also showing his ability in his bottom-age year to play on the outside. Chirgwin provides plenty of upside for a club who calls his name out.
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a68acf242e22c2b3332f6683866db649?width=700)
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2019-draft-prospects-hidden-gems-bargains-value-picks-draft-order/news-story/dffcef27b57e4b509e91fd6f3913326a
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ESPN's latest phantom draft has us getting:
21. Richmond: Cooper Stephens (VIC)
Height, Weight: 188cm/83kg
Profile: Strong ball-winning midfielder who distributes effectively by hand and bursts out of stoppages at speed. Has not played since Round 3 due to a fractured fibula.
38. Richmond: Mitch O'Neill (TAS)
Height, Weight: 176cm/72kg
Profile: Touted a potential first round selection at the beginning of the season, O'Neill has struggled with injury for much of the year. O'Neill is an outside midfielder who is a polished ball user and moves well.
39. Richmond: Darcy Cassar (VIC)
Height, Weight: 184cm/82kg
Profile: Midfielder with the versatility to play forward or back. Cassar does his best work on the outside and possesses good skills.
41. Richmond: Cooper Sharman (VIC)
Height, Weight: 192cm/79kg
Profile: Goalkicking forward who doesn't need much of the ball to hit the scoreboard heavily. One of the best readers of the ball in flight in the draft, strong overhead and clean at ground level.
56. Richmond: Ryan Byrnes (VIC)
Height, Weight: 182cm/84kg
Profile: Consistent ball winner through the midfield. Not only wins the contested ball but combined that with pace and damaging ball use.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/28095715/updated-afl-phantom-draft-first-three-rounds
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ESPN's latest phantom draft has us getting:
21. Richmond: Cooper Stephens (VIC)
Height, Weight: 188cm/83kg
Profile: Strong ball-winning midfielder who distributes effectively by hand and bursts out of stoppages at speed. Has not played since Round 3 due to a fractured fibula.
38. Richmond: Mitch O'Neill (TAS)
Height, Weight: 176cm/72kg
Profile: Touted a potential first round selection at the beginning of the season, O'Neill has struggled with injury for much of the year. O'Neill is an outside midfielder who is a polished ball user and moves well.
39. Richmond: Darcy Cassar (VIC)
Height, Weight: 184cm/82kg
Profile: Midfielder with the versatility to play forward or back. Cassar does his best work on the outside and possesses good skills.
41. Richmond: Cooper Sharman (VIC)
Height, Weight: 192cm/79kg
Profile: Goalkicking forward who doesn't need much of the ball to hit the scoreboard heavily. One of the best readers of the ball in flight in the draft, strong overhead and clean at ground level.
56. Richmond: Ryan Byrnes (VIC)
Height, Weight: 182cm/84kg
Profile: Consistent ball winner through the midfield. Not only wins the contested ball but combined that with pace and damaging ball use.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/28095715/updated-afl-phantom-draft-first-three-rounds
2 Coopers, surely not !!
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Still maintain we have a decent hand of picks 19 38 39 and 41 for a side that won a flag considering we got screwed with Ellis compo.Will be sliders and a even draft after top 15 or so.Get some good players with 38 39 and 41.
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Rumours out of Hawthorn is they are willing swap their pick 30 for our future 2nd rounder.
The reason below is why they want our future pick.
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HAWTHORN is looking to bolster its draft hand by trying to attain another first-round pick – but there's a snag.
AFL.com.au understands the Hawks are prepared to trade their future first-round pick for 2020 in a deal to land a second first-round pick for this year.
The club already holds pick 11 – which is its earliest selection at the draft since 2006 – but is believed to be on the lookout to double-up at the top end.
However, it faces a battle to land the selection because, under AFL rules, to trade out a future first-round selection it must retain its other picks in that draft.
The Hawks traded their 2020 second-round selection during the exchange period, so would need to replace that to be allowed to move their future first-round pick.
The intention to find another first-round pick nonetheless signals that the Hawks don't forecast a bid on father-son Finn Maginness to come until, at the earliest, late in the first round and potentially early in the second round next week.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-19/hawthorn-facing-draft-snag-as-it-looks-to-trade-future-firstround-pick
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Depends on how highly we rate MJ, Darcy & Baxter.... :shh
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HUN reporting that GC are still open to trading picks 1 & 2....personally I don't think they will but I'd be chucking everything from this year & next at them - can always trade for picks next year if need be....#dynasty :shh
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Any interest here in Harry Schoenberg?
He says he's spoken to most clubs so I'd presume one would be us.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/missing-sa-academy-selection-the-best-thing-to-happen-to-eagles-ballmagnet-harry-schoenberg/news-story/3ee072c0c6e55d877f23b281c08e1f57
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The Giants have got their wish and have moved up to pick 4.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-19/giants-to-give-up-two-firstround-picks-for-no4
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Why would any team help the Giants get stronger. Adelaide desperate?
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Ryan Byrnes looks like a solid late pick.
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Because it’s a very good deal for Adelaide too.....
moved down a couple spots in the draft and bagged another first rounder.
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It may be pick 25 or latter after the F/S picks
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Rumours out of Hawthorn is they are willing swap their pick 30 for our future 2nd rounder.
The reason below is why they want our future pick.
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HAWTHORN is looking to bolster its draft hand by trying to attain another first-round pick – but there's a snag.
AFL.com.au understands the Hawks are prepared to trade their future first-round pick for 2020 in a deal to land a second first-round pick for this year.
The club already holds pick 11 – which is its earliest selection at the draft since 2006 – but is believed to be on the lookout to double-up at the top end.
However, it faces a battle to land the selection because, under AFL rules, to trade out a future first-round selection it must retain its other picks in that draft.
The Hawks traded their 2020 second-round selection during the exchange period, so would need to replace that to be allowed to move their future first-round pick.
The intention to find another first-round pick nonetheless signals that the Hawks don't forecast a bid on father-son Finn Maginness to come until, at the earliest, late in the first round and potentially early in the second round next week.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-19/hawthorn-facing-draft-snag-as-it-looks-to-trade-future-firstround-pick
m
this seems to begetting some traction. 5 picks inside 40 for a premiership side would be a fair effort. Our recuiters would be having a party with those selections.
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Buckenara: What your club needs in the draft
Gary Buckenara,
Herald Sun
20 November 2019
Does your team need inside midfielders? Skilled outside runners? Key position players?
Respected recruiter Gary Buckenara reveals what your club’s draft strategy should be heading into the draft next Wednesday and Thursday nights.
RICHMOND
The Tigers will have four picks inside the top 41, which is very handy for a team that has just won its second premiership in three years. This is a midfielders’ draft so expect the Tigers to add some players with pace and who use the ball well, while they might look for a nice rebound defender, given Bachar Houli is nearing the end of his career, Oleg Markov hasn’t quite come on and Connor Menadue has been delisted. I’d also look at an experienced ruckman from a state league to add ruck depth.
Draft picks: 19, 38, 39, 41, 56, 75, 77, 95
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/gary-buckenara/recruiter-gary-buckenara-reveals-types-of-players-every-club-should-be-targeting-in-2019-draft/news-story/78cc9eca09a44a69a88b835afc216cea
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Twomey's latest phantom draft claims we're interested in Day, Bianco, Rivers, Rantall, Ralphsmith & Scheonberg.
18. Will Day:
Geelong, Gold Coast, Richmond and Port Adelaide are all in the mix to take Day in the top 20. He has a lot of fans.
19. Trent Bianco:
Is likely to fit into the back-end of the first round or very early in the second. Geelong, Richmond and Port Adelaide all interested in Bianco.
23. Trent Rivers:
The Queensland clubs are both looking at Rivers with their picks at the start of the second round. Gold Coast and Brisbane are possible homes for the West Australian, as is Richmond, who met with him last week and could look at Rivers at pick 19.
25. Jay Rantall
Richmond has shown some interest, and pick No.19 would be the start of his draft range. Brisbane, Geelong and Sydney are all options in the 20s, too.
31. Hugo Ralphsmith
Ralphsmith is a chance to get through to the end of the second round, where Richmond could swoop. North Melbourne is also a chance with its pair of picks in the 20s.
33. Harry Schoenberg
Adelaide has been linked to Schoenberg with its pick 28, and he sits in that part of the draft. Sydney, Richmond and Geelong are others who could look at Schoenberg.
35. Brock Smith
Smith's spoken to every club throughout the year but his draft spot is unclear. He's likely to be selected somewhere after pick 35.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-20/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-form-guide-november-update
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Cal Twomey's 2019 Phantom Form Guide: November update
AFL.com.au
Callum Twomey
Nov 20, 2019
1. Rowell
2. Anderson
3. Green ... GWS Academy
4. Serong
5. Young
6. Flanders
7. Ash
8. Kemp
9. Robertson
10. McAsey
11. Jackson (+3)
12. D.Stephens (-1)
13. Weightman (-1)
14. Henry (+2)
15. Worrell (-2)
16. Macginness (-1) ... Hawks' F/S
17. Bergman
18. Day
19. Bianco
20. Gould
21. Mead .... Port's F/S.
22. De Koning
23. Rivers (+1)
24. C.Stephens (-1)
25. Rantall (new)
26. Jones
27. Sharp (-2)
28. Williams (-1)
29. Taylor
30. Pickett (new)
31. Ralphsmith (-1)
32. Comben (new)
33. Schoenberg (re-entered. Formerly inside top 30)
34. Dow (-6)
35. B.Smith (re-entered. Formerly inside top 30)
Out of previous lists: Taheny.
Full summaries here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-20/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-form-guide-november-update
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Callum Twomey and Kevin's 'Shifter' Sheehan's top 30 mock draft. They had Will Day going to us.
AUDIO link: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-13/listen-top-30-mock-draft-who-cats-should-target-to-replace-selwood
Richmond Pick 20:
Twomey said he liked Bianco as he is a very Richmond player but he was taken by Sheehan for Port the pick before ours.
So Twomey went for Day which he said is another very Richmond player. Won't expect him to play seniors much next year as he is slight but there's no rush as Richmond has the time to develop him. Very talented. HB who can run, reads the play well, provides that rebound and drive, but can also stop a player as he did to Taheny late in the season at local SANFL level. Footy brain/IQ is top of the charts.
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I have watched the tapes on the AFL website and made my decision. I like the look of Gould at 19. Well built, played seniors already. Looks like a nice kick.
Don't like the look of Cooper Stephens based on the tape.
Wil Day looks solid enough too so would be happy with him.
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I have watched the tapes on the AFL website and made my decision. I like the look of Gould at 19. Well built, played seniors already. Looks like a nice kick.
Don't like the look of Cooper Stephens based on the tape.
Wil Day looks solid enough too so would be happy with him.
Agree on C Stephens may turn out good but there will be better players available at our pick. I liked Gould byt his weight is a problem. Needs to get down to 87-88kgs.
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I have watched the tapes on the AFL website and made my decision. I like the look of Gould at 19. Well built, played seniors already. Looks like a nice kick.
Don't like the look of Cooper Stephens based on the tape.
Wil Day looks solid enough too so would be happy with him.
Agree on C Stephens may turn out good but there will be better players available at our pick. I liked Gould byt his weight is a problem. Needs to get down to 87-88kgs.
Surely at an AFL environment you would have to be fit and a decent weight, unless you have a work ethic issue.
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Rumours out of Hawthorn is they are willing swap their pick 30 for our future 2nd rounder.
The reason below is why they want our future pick.
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HAWTHORN is looking to bolster its draft hand by trying to attain another first-round pick – but there's a snag.
AFL.com.au understands the Hawks are prepared to trade their future first-round pick for 2020 in a deal to land a second first-round pick for this year.
The club already holds pick 11 – which is its earliest selection at the draft since 2006 – but is believed to be on the lookout to double-up at the top end.
However, it faces a battle to land the selection because, under AFL rules, to trade out a future first-round selection it must retain its other picks in that draft.
The Hawks traded their 2020 second-round selection during the exchange period, so would need to replace that to be allowed to move their future first-round pick.
The intention to find another first-round pick nonetheless signals that the Hawks don't forecast a bid on father-son Finn Maginness to come until, at the earliest, late in the first round and potentially early in the second round next week.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-19/hawthorn-facing-draft-snag-as-it-looks-to-trade-future-firstround-pick
m
this seems to begetting some traction. 5 picks inside 40 for a premiership side would be a fair effort. Our recuiters would be having a party with those selections.
Norf got in first...
https://twitter.com/MattBalmer7/status/1197018157514276864
:shh
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Oh well. We do need to Improve
Our picks but maybe there is no appetite within the club to chase these types of deals.
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FFS stuff the draft when does the season start.
:cheers
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Season will be a complete failure if we can't back up the flag with the draft flag as well... :shh
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:shh :shh
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Oh well. We do need to Improve
Our picks but maybe there is no appetite within the club to chase these types of deals.
Trading oir 2020 2nd round pick means we cannot trade our 2020 first round pick.
Maybe we have a bigger plan or sitting back waitimg for live trading on draft night
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This gives an idea on who may still be available at our pick.
Interestingly, they think Melbourne will trade away pick 9.
Phantom draft: How the early picks will fall
Sam Landsberger and Jay Clark
Herald Sun
21 November 2019
Gold Coast 1. Matt Rowell (Oakleigh Chargers, 180cm midfielder)
Gold Coast 2. Noah Anderson (Oakleigh Chargers, 191cm midfield-forward)
Melbourne 3. Luke Jackson (East Fremantle, 199cm ruckman)
GWS 4. Lachie Ash (Murray Bushrangers, 186cm halfback)
GWS 5. Tom Green* (GWS academy, 191cm midfielder)
Sydney 6. Sam Flanders (Gippsland Power, 182cm midfielder)
Adelaide 7. Fischer McAsey (Sandringham Dragons, 197cm defender)
Fremantle 8. Hayden Young (Dandenong Stingrays, 188cm halfback)
Melbourne 9. Demons will trade this pick to another club
Carlton 10. Caleb Serong (Gippsland Power, 179cm midfield-forward)
Fremantle 11. Deven Robertson (Perth, 184cm midfielder)
Hawthorn 12. Brodie Kemp (Bendigo Pioneers, 193cm defender)
Port Adelaide 13. Dylan Stephens (Norwood, 183cm midfielder)
Western Bulldogs 14. Miles Bergman (Sandringham Dragons, 189cm utility)
*GWS matches Sydney’s bid for Green, pushing the order back one
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-considering-trading-pick-8-to-land-three-top-prospects-in-next-weeks-afl-draft/news-story/efc635c787e5f19fae30aab8f6fa5daf
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Oh well. We do need to Improve
Our picks but maybe there is no appetite within the club to chase these types of deals.
Trading oir 2020 2nd round pick means we cannot trade our 2020 first round pick.
Maybe we have a bigger plan or sitting back waitimg for live trading on draft night
Now that GWS are likely to not get a bid on Green until after their new pick 4 then effectively their pick 40 will be wiped out. So we will effectivelly have 3 picks in a row 38, 39 plus 40 (41 moved up one). Not as a great as having two late first rounders (thanks AFL ::) ) but it will still allow us a decent opportunity for live trading as you say Gracie. Especially with some clubs having very few picks in the top 50.
It depends on who many picks we will use this draft. We currently have 33 senior listed players so it's either 4 or 5. If we're only going to use 4 then it doesn't matter if we trade away later picks cheaply to try and push up the draft order or for future picks to put towards MRJ & our Academy kids available next year.
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-21/pick-swap-pies-hand-over-future-secondrounder-to-lions-get-two-back
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Draft Central @DraftCentralAus
In the final edition of the Final Siren Podcast prior to the 2019 AFL National Draft, Draft Central's Peter Williams, Michael Alvaro and Ed Pascoe take the role of recruiter for six teams each and try and pinpoint talent throughout the first three rounds of the draft.
AUDIO: https://anchor.fm/finalsirenpodcast/episodes/2019-Final-Siren-Podcast-Phantom-Draft-e93puo
https://twitter.com/DraftCentralAus/status/1197273413674504194
They have us taking:
21/22: Bid for Maguinness then take Cooper Stephens (https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/cooper-stephens-2/)
41: Karl Finlay (https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/karl-finlay/)
42: Hugo Ralphsmith (https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/hugo-ralphsmith/)
43: Harry Scheonberg
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Fremantle receive picks 8 (Melb), 49 (Adel).
Melbourne receive picks 10 (Freo), 28 (Adel) & Carlton's future fourth-round selection (via Adel on-traded from Freo).
Adelaide receive pick 22 (Freo) & Collingwood's future-third round selection (via Freo).
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-21/freo-moves-up-to-no8-after-swaps-with-dees-crows
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A fair few clubs can't trade their future first rounder. So we still have that up our sleeve.
Richmond: Free to trade any future selection as they currently hold a full allotment of 2020 picks.
Carlton, Essendon, Fremantle, Gold Coast, GWS, Melbourne, Port, St Kilda, Sydney, Eagles & Dogs can't trade their future first round pick.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2019-future-picks-2020-draft-indicative-draft-order/news-story/9d34c5ddb8cc52e6b8b52310da7979dd
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2019 AFL Draft Preview: Richmond Tigers
Aussie Rules Draft Central
by Michael Alvaro
21 November 2019
THERE is seldom much any reigning premier needs to improve on, let alone this Richmond side after a redemptive 2019 campaign. Topping up depth for the future will likely be the go for the Tigers, with long-term replacements for some of their older premiership heroes perhaps on the agenda. They are set to come in at the end of the first round, and could be ripe for the picking in terms of live trades given their lack of a pressing need.
CURRENT PICKS: 19, 38, 39, 41, 56, 75, 77, 95
NOMINATED ACADEMY/FATHER-SONS: Nil.
LIST NEEDS:
Future squad depth
FIRST PICK OPTIONS:
Pick 19 throws up a few interesting options for the Tigers, with hardened and consistent products often favoured at Tigerland. Geelong Falcons co-captain Cooper Stephens looms as a prospect who would be fresh in the mind of recruiters after a solid national combine showing having missed most of the year through injury, with the inside midfielder a classy future replacement for the likes of Trent Cotchin. Larke Medallist Deven Roberston is another arguably more similar to the Cotchin mould but will likely be off the board at that stage, while Jay Rantall would be a good option if he bolts up the order. Will Gould is a player who loves the tough stuff and would be able to develop his athletic base while trying to break into the ones, while Trent Bianco is a very different half-back with elite kicking skills and leadership who could grow into the role of Bachar Houli.
LIVE TRADE OPTIONS:
Live trading may well come to Richmond more than the Tigers actively seek it out, but their package of picks 38, 39, and 41 could be used to move up into the late-20s if a slider is still on the board. Their hand of five picks past the 40-mark would also typically be a target of clubs looking to cover academy bids, but given the draft is not overly compromised at the top-end, that may not be so much of a query.
REMAINING CROP:
The Tigers can bring in some real midfield and outside class should they hold on to picks 38, 39, and 41, with Sandringham trio Hugo Ralphsmith, Jack Mahony, and Darcy Chirgwin around the mark, while Daniel Mott, Darcy Cassar, Sam Philp and Harry Schoenberg could also fall their way. All of them provide ball-finding ability, have good scope for the future, and have their own points of difference – which suits Richmonds current position. Elsewhere, a player like Louis Butler could be packaged with a Dragons teammate slightly later on, while the Tigers’ last few picks are anyone’s guess, with mature agers potentially coming into the fold.
https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/2019/11/21/2019-afl-draft-preview-richmond-tigers/
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Callum Twomey @CalTwomey
Essentially, across different trades, Melbourne moved its future 1st-round pick into this year’s top-10.
Other clubs are now trying to do the same. Hawthorn, Collingwood, Essendon, Richmond all linked as clubs who would swap future 1sts for currents. The snag: not many buyers.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1197441554220085249
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And for a mock draft that's completely different ...
John from Lystics AFL @LysticsAFL
"Live Trading Mock Draft Special with Draft Central - Rounds 1 & 2" New podcast ep has just gone up: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=479217
https://twitter.com/LysticsAFL/status/1197452235837452288
For Richmond they say:
First we trade away picks 21 & 41 to North for 29 & 32.
Then we trade pick 39 & our future 2nd round pick for Sydney's 27 & 44.
Leaves us with picks 27, 29, 32, 38, 44 and no second rounder for next year.
As actual selection they have:
Pick 27 - Dylan Williams
Pick 29 - Nick Bryant
Pick 32 - Dyson Hilder
:huh3
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Not many aspiring AFL draftees can say – or have ever said – they’ve made the Under 18 All-Australian team twice, been part of a national carnival championship team, captained a state side, played a full year of SANFL league footy and won a SANFL league premiership medallion.
But Will Gould can.
A gun South Australian defensive prospect who was described by state coach Tony Bamford as a “boy in a man’s body”, Gould (192cm, 100kg) already has one of the great footy CVs – and that’s at the age of 18, well before he’s walked through the door of any AFL club.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2019-will-gould-height-and-weight-glenelg-lucindale-sanfl-premiership-drought/news-story/b9f1659b47536151f5be24654e418743
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Not many aspiring AFL draftees can say – or have ever said – they’ve made the Under 18 All-Australian team twice, been part of a national carnival championship team, captained a state side, played a full year of SANFL league footy and won a SANFL league premiership medallion.
But Will Gould can.
A gun South Australian defensive prospect who was described by state coach Tony Bamford as a “boy in a man’s body”, Gould (192cm, 100kg) already has one of the great footy CVs – and that’s at the age of 18, well before he’s walked through the door of any AFL club.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2019-will-gould-height-and-weight-glenelg-lucindale-sanfl-premiership-drought/news-story/b9f1659b47536151f5be24654e418743
He is being underrated in my opinion and be a great pick at 19 for us.
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Yep, I want him at 19.
And I want Ricardi, Jeka and Chirgwin too
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Yep, I want him at 19.
And I want Ricardi, Jeka and Chirgwin too
So with the mock trades above landing us 27, 29, 32, 38 and 44 those guys will all be available. Gould maybe at 27 at a pinch
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Will Gould needs to lose 10-12kgs. Maybe he can do it. I was a fan but when he got to 106kgs now supposedly down to 100kgs he lost my support. If we pick him Ill be ok with it but he has to lose weight.
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Today up until 2pm was the cut-off for clubs to trade picks before the draft. So it's now down to what happens on both draft nights.
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Will Gould needs to lose 10-12kgs. Maybe he can do it. I was a fan but when he got to 106kgs now supposedly down to 100kgs he lost my support. If we pick him Ill be ok with it but he has to lose weight.
Will end up forward - another Cummings/Whitnall type....not sure that's suited to the modern game.. :shh
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Looks like the Dogs will take Cody Weightman at pick 13.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/draft-prospect-cody-weightman-tours-whitten-oval/news-story/3146cbae2bbb1cf8622e176cfa6d3e52
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An article on Jay Rantall who is one of the kids we're interested in.
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South Warrnambool's Jay Rantall ready for 2019 AFL draft
Justine McCullagh-Beasy
Warrnambool Standard
November 22, 2019
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SEEKING SUCCESS NOT SPOTLIGHT: AFL draft contender Jay Rantall is considered a well-rounded teenager, according to those who watched him grow up. Picture: Anthony Brady
AN experienced educator who has watched one of his students prosper into an AFL draft prospect believes the teenager is one out of the box.
Warrnambool College teacher Robert Dart expects the club which takes a punt on South Warrnambool midfielder Jay Rantall to reap the rewards.
Dart, who has worked at the school for 14 years, first came across Rantall six years ago when he started year seven.
He has watched a shy kid evolve into an Australian junior basketballer, draft bolter and model student.
Rantall asked mad Geelong fan Dart to be a referee for AFL clubs ringing around to find out more about the inside midfielder with ball-winning ability and huge aerobic capacity.
Dart, who does not have a football background, said Rantall was "quite exceptional" and boasted traits which separated him from the athlete stereotypes.
"I was talking to one club and they said 'you know you don't have to sugarcoat everything?'," he told The Standard.
"And I said 'I'm actually not. If you're looking for criticisms there are none, I'd have to dig quite deep, this kid is quite exceptional'.
"Now I am on the front-foot and say 'it's going to sound like I am over-the-top positive but this is who he is and who he has decided to be'."
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Rantall has built the right to big-note. His achievements are long and varied.
He represented Australia at the basketball under 17 world cup in Argentina in 2018.
He then swapped his basketball jersey for football guernseys and collected many, playing for South Warrnambool, Greater Western Victoria Rebels and Vic Country, in a whirlwind 2019.
The Rebels crowned him their best and fairest, the NAB League picked him in its team of the year and at the draft combine he set a 2km time-trial record.
But Rantall is not one to boast. Humility is a character trait.
"He has a great sense of humour and he's friendly but he's not one to draw attention to himself," Dart said.
"He's hugely appreciative of any time or effort you make for him or put into him.
"You go up and congratulate him face-to-face and he thanks you and is so grateful for the recognition but if I was to say that at the house assembly in front of 200 kids he'd hate that."
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BIG STAGE: Jay Rantall played for Vic Country at the AFL under 18 national championships. Picture: Morgan Hancock
Dart said Rantall's ability and want to juggle sport and school also set him apart.
The 18-year-old made a concerted effort to complete VCE to the best of his ability, sitting exams for English, further maths, outdoor education, PE and biology.
"He is such a hard worker and he's recognised that his academics were important as part of becoming a high-level athlete and in terms of developing that sense of character," Dart said.
"He's put a lot of work in. He hasn't just focused on his footy and let school go. It's almost like it's more important because if he can balance both it shows he is the better athlete because he can do school first and keep everything in check."
Rantall, who paid tribute to Warrnambool College's Sporting Pathway Program, said his parents Tim and Lia instilled the importance of school-sport balance.
"I put as much effort into my schooling as my footy," he told The Standard.
"You never know what could happen with an AFL career, even if you were able to achieve greatness it's 10 or 15 years max so you need a plan B or an afterlife so I definitely put a lot of pride and work into my VCE studies."
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BUSY YEAR: South Warrnambool footballer Jay Rantall juggled football and VCE in 2019. Picture: Mark Witte
Sport has played a significant role in Rantall's life from an early age.
And it was always a juggling act between football and basketball.
Basketball took priority for a period, taking him to the international level as a dangerous shooting guard.
He suited up for his Big V home club Warrnambool Seahawks when Australian commitments permitted last year.
Seahawks coach Tim Gainey knew Rantall was something special.
"He is probably the best shooter we've had in Warrnambool for a while but he practices it," he said.
"He is a competitor, so there was no doubt in my mind he was going to be successful at something.
"He hates losing, even if it's a sprint or a shooting drill.
"He is actually really quiet but from a training stand point once he starts he's hard at it.
"He would pass out before he stops. He always wanted to improve in whatever he did.
"If he missed a few shots the next day he'd shoot over 100 shots because he wasn't happy with himself. He always wants to get better."
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FLASHBACK: Jay Rantall played Big V basketball for Warrnambool Seahawks in 2018.
Even now, on the eve of the draft, Rantall is working to improve.
He followed his mum Lia to Rudy's Boxing in October and the decision has paid dividends.
"I go to a few sessions with her. I had to catch up to her, she was quite good," Rantall said.
He first jumped in Rodney 'Rudy' Ryan's boxing ring prior to the draft combine, desperate to present at the fitness testing in peak condition.
"My legs were so sore because the season had just finished," Rantall said.
"I'd never really done boxing before but 'Rude' is great and really looks after me and a few footy players who go down there.
"It's good to have a real cardio session that doesn't really affect the legs. It's always good to go down there for 45 minutes to an hour and let Rude just dominate you for that session.
"It's something that after combine I loved so much that I wanted to implement into my pre, pre-season program. I am trying to get down there two or three times a week."
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AUSSIE PRIDE: Jay Rantall wore the green and gold for Australia as a junior basketballer. Picture: Morgan Hancock
The combine, where he broke the 2km time-trial record and was equal-second in the tough yo-yo endurance test, was the finale to a breakout season for Rantall.
"I don't think there was a set point where I picked footy over basketball," he said.
"There was a point in the pre-season where I just wanted to do a lot of work and put time and effort into my running and it would just benefit whatever I chose.
"I like to set some individual goals and that really helped motivate me throughout the year and then the opportunities came.
"I got more and more in love with footy. I love footy."
The turning point was in late 2018 when he was picked to make his Hampden league senior debut for South Warrnambool.
"I remember the only thing I didn't want it to be was raining and it was raining," Rantall said.
"It was pretty cool because I always missed a lot of footy during the years (because of basketball) and I reckon it was the first or second time I'd played on the Reid and the Reid Oval in Warrnambool is hyped up to be the best ground or the ground you want to play on at the end of the year."
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THROWBACK: A young Jay Rantall, then 13, pictured in 2015 ahead of a basketball tournament. Picture: Rob Gunstone
Greater Western Victoria Rebels liked what they saw.
The 184-centimetre midfielder earned a spot on their 2019 list and averaged 25 disposals and seven tackles in 12 matches.
"I think my first four or five games I couldn't run out a game without cramping," he recalled.
"It took me a while to get my legs back and figure out what sort of foods and whatnot were going to stop me cramping.
"You definitely run a lot more than you do in a basketball game."
Rantall has remained grounded despite his meteoric rise.
"I guess I am very thankful. It all happened pretty quickly but I know I've put the hard work in," he said.
"I have had a lot of support and help along the way. It was a very humbling experience to do some of the stuff I wanted to do."
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HOME CLUB: South Warrnambool has played a big role in Jay Rantall's life. Picture: Rob Gunstone
The teenager's journey has come as no surprise to Dart and Gainey.
"One of the things that makes him exceptional is that he isn't drawn to the spotlight," Dart said.
"He is an awesome, positive role model for younger students as well as younger athletes and we hope he goes really well in the draft because he's earned it."
Gainey expects Rantall to be a coach's dream.
"He just takes everything on board and remembers it and he applies it," he said.
"He has come out of nowhere this year, coming from not even on the draft board to breaking records.
"That just shows how hard he works."
The AFL is now within reach but Rantall will carry memories from his junior career - four premierships with South Warrnambool and squad titles with Warrnambool Seahawks - with him for life.
"He has a really good friendship group," Dart said.
"His friendship group are friends with him because he is Jay not because he's Jay the athlete or Jay the FIBA world cup basketballer."
Or soon-to-be Jay the AFL footballer.
https://www.standard.net.au/story/6493682/get-to-know-the-quite-exceptional-draft-bolter/?cs=10266
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Callum Twomey said Rantall is bolting up the order and could be selected by Richmond in the 1st round.
Apparently interviewed very well.
https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=481931
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Id be happy with a variety but if it goes like this
for Richmond
Jay Rantall
Sam De Koning
Hugo Ralphsmith
Elijah Taylor
Then we would have done really well.
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Rantall definitely looks a Richmond pick in terms of footy type and character.
Ignoring trading picks on the night, I'm not sure De Koning or Taylor will be still around at our 38-39-40 picks.
I'm getting the feeling we'll sit back and watch how the first round goes. If the kids we rate more highly are going earlier than expected then we'll look to trade up our picks. If not, then we'll happily take whoever is best available at 19 and then sit back and repeat the strategy on the second night. There's a whole host of clubs who can't trade future picks so we've got more flexibility to do a live trade. There may even be another club in desperation to grab a certain kid that fills a need that offers a trade too good to refuse. We don't have that pressure on us as our list is well-balanced so we can select purely on what's best available and we also have our full quota of future picks.
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‘The best high-performance athlete I’ve seen’
Dan Batten
Herald Sun
23 Nov 2019
At the beginning of the year Jay Rantall’s chances of landing on an AFL list were up in the air.
The former Australian junior basketballer had spent several seasons with the Greater Western Victoria Rebels, but commitments with the national team took up the majority of his time.
The endurance machine had been a member of the Australian Institute of Sports under-18 basketball team, but opted to go all-in with footy in 2019.
“He’s certainly an endurance beast and he loves the hard work,” Rebels talent manager Paul Partington said.
“He’s got very good vision and very good game sense so a lot of basketball traits come into his game, but he’s got some grunt about him as well.”
Trading the basketball for the Sherrin has seen the midfielder thrive, taking out the Rebels best and fairest award and representing Vic Metro in the National Championships in just his first year of full time footy.
Rantall registered well rounded numbers across the season, averaging 25 touches, 6.5 tackles and just under a goal a game in the NAB League.
But it was the AFL Draft Combine where Rantall put his name up in lights. The midfielder clocked a staggering time of 5:50 across 2km – blitzing the previous combine record by 14 seconds – and finished equal first in the yo-yo test, reaching level 21.8.
Partington, who has had front row seats to his development, expects Rantall’s rapid rise to continue.
“He’s had an outstanding year for someone who hasn’t played much footy over the last five years,” Partington explained.
“The players he’s competing against; they’ve probably been playing full time footy for six or seven months before he’s even started footy, so I think there’s great scope for him to improve.
“You look at other players who have gone on to play AFL footy, endurance players, and Jay’s beaten their records by 14 seconds. It certainly shows he has elite endurance which AFL clubs really look at into the draft.”
That endurance base and his improvement has come through sheer hard work. Rantall is a natural competitor who strives for perfection in all walks of life, with Partington saying he is the best high performance athlete he has worked with in his 14 years at the Rebels.
“Jay’s got a very high performance mindset, he’s very determined to be the best that he can be and you can see that with his schoolwork and also his sporting aspirations,” he said.
“He wants to be the best at everything he can do so I think that’s a great step up into the AFL world, it’s a competitive world and he’s a competitive young man.”
There was no better example of this than the 2km time trial. The Warnambool product was neck-and-neck with potential father-son prospect Finn Maginness, edging him out by a single second when the pressure was on
“I think I was more excited about his mindset on the day, just never going to get beaten. He was challenged a few times in the run and just didn’t want to give up,” Partington said with a smile.
Despite his fitness prowess, he remains a raw draft prospect. The gut-runner worked tirelessly on his kicking throughout the season – improving his kicking “immensely” – but Partington says it is something he will have to continue to work on.
“Jay knows himself his kicking needs work and he hasn’t had the work in his kicking like other players,” Partington said.
Considering his exceptional development and his drive to succeed, you would expect him to improve that and more at the top level.
“He’s got a bit to work on, there’s no guarantee he’ll get drafted but we’re quietly confident that he’ll be on an AFL list at some stage.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/skys-the-limit-for-former-basketballer-and-draft-prospect-jay-rantall/news-story/2da2afe2ba92e282385b3fa919ec0cd4
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Geelong also very keen on Rantall and think they might take him at 17 if they think we might. They'd definitely take him with 24 or similar mark.
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Your club's draft needs: List gaps, priorities, dream selections
Sarah Black
afl.com.au
23 Nov 2019
RICHMOND
Draft selections: 19, 38, 39, 41, 56, 75, 77, 95
List gaps: There's not many holes in a side that's won two of the past three flags. Lost a little bit of running depth with the delisting of Connor Menadue, and probably need to stock up on a forward or two given the absence of Dan Butler (St Kilda), Jacob Townsend and Callum Moore (delisted). With David Astbury (29 years old) and Alex Rance (31) closer to the end of their careers than the start, a young key defender wouldn't go astray.
The priority: It definitely won't have an impact on the club next year given the very strong list, but with an eye to the future, the forward line may need a boost or two. The Tigers loaded up on midfielders in last year's draft, meaning a tall back could also be on the cards.
Dream draft according to Cal Twomey: Sam De Koning is right in Richmond's range with its first selection, so if the Tigers are keen to introduce more young key backs to their group then he would be worth considering. Charlie Comben, potentially with one of the Tigers' second-round selections, may be in the mix as a tall forward who can be brought in with time to develop.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-23/your-clubs-draft-needs-list-gaps-priorities-dream-selections
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Wishful thinking from the St Kilda BF forum :wallywink:
I just listened to Twomey and Shifter doing their mock draft from a week ago.
From their picks were looking at our pick 51 moving up 5-6 spots through FS and academy bids, and it looks like 51 is the exact sweetest pick to reap the maximum benefit.
Of course it can all change with live trading, but as the order stands we'd pretty much have pick 45/46 on draft night.
Since the Tigs have picks 38, 39, 40, 56, 75 and 77,
I suspect they may want to shift some of that into next year and we could target p38 for 51 and a measly future 4th swap.
10-12 places for almost nothing would be an awesome outcome, and get us into genuine slider territory.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2019-draft-thread-picks-51-82-100-nov-27th.1220364/post-63707036
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Problem with Rantall is his kicking.For pick 19 that's got to be spot on for me or move on.He needs alot of work.
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Rivers with 19 , De Koning with 21...easy peasy...oh wait....
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Rivers with 19 , De Koning with 21...easy peasy...oh wait....
>:(
Those clowns running the circus screwed us along with Barett.
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Wishful thinking from the St Kilda BF forum :wallywink:
I just listened to Twomey and Shifter doing their mock draft from a week ago.
From their picks were looking at our pick 51 moving up 5-6 spots through FS and academy bids, and it looks like 51 is the exact sweetest pick to reap the maximum benefit.
Of course it can all change with live trading, but as the order stands we'd pretty much have pick 45/46 on draft night.
Since the Tigs have picks 38, 39, 40, 56, 75 and 77,
I suspect they may want to shift some of that into next year and we could target p38 for 51 and a measly future 4th swap.
10-12 places for almost nothing would be an awesome outcome, and get us into genuine slider territory.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2019-draft-thread-picks-51-82-100-nov-27th.1220364/post-63707036
Laughable. Their future 4th has virtually no point value by comparison!
For their future 3rd I'd probably consider it!
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Club-by-club guide to the 2019 draft
Daniel Cherny, Peter Ryan
The Age
24 Nov 2019
RICHMOND
The dominant side of the last three years, the Tigers won the grand final in a canter and are oozing quality. However unlike 12 months ago when they brought in Tom Lynch, Richmond have been content to head to the draft this time around. They’d been hopeful of landing an extra selection at the back end of the first round via free agency compensation for Brandon Ellis but had to settle for a second round selection, meaning that the Tigers have three picks out of four between 38 and 41.
With their first pick at 19, the Tigers have been linked to South Australian defender Will Day although it’s tough to envisage him slipping through Port Adelaide’s grasp given Port have three picks between 12 and 18. Classy Victorian small Trent Bianco - an impressive character who captained Oakleigh to the NAB League premiership - looks to be in the mix in this region as does West Australian defender Trent Rivers, with Gold Coast also showing a fair bit of interest. Jay Rantall - who blitzed the field in the two kilometre time trial at last month’s draft combine - has also been linked to the Tigers.
While Richmond managed to cover the loss of Alex Rance for most of the season, both he and David Astbury are approaching the twilight of their respective careers, and Richmond may look to succession planning. South Australian Karl Finlay and West Australian Jake Pasini both fit the bill and should be available when Richmond have the bulk of their picks.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/club-by-club-guide-to-the-2019-afl-national-draft-part-two-20191122-p53d0u.html
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The Herald-Sun today has how they think the top 20 will pan out.
With 3 bids, it pushes our first pick down to 22. So this is a guide to who will still be available at our first pick.
Day & Bianco would be already taken.
The likes of Rivers, Rantall, C.Stephens, De Koning & Gould would still be on the board.
Ultimate guide to the AFL draft’s top-20
Chris Cavanagh
Sunday Herald Sun
24 Nov 2019
Here’s how draft expert Chris Cavanagh expects the first round to play out.
1. GC - Rowell
2. GC - Anderson
3. Melb - Jackson
4. GWS - Ash
5. GWS - Green (matching Sydney's bid)
6. Syd - Flanders
7. Adel - McAsey
8. Freo - Robertson
9. Freo - Young
10. Carl - Serong
11. Melb - K.Pickett
12. Haw - Kemp
13. Port - D.Stephens
14. Freo - Henry (matching Bulldog's bid)
15. WB - Weightman
16. Geel - Worrell
17. GC - Day
18. Port - Bianco
19. Haw - Maginness (matching Geelong's bid)
20. Geel - Bergman
21. Port - ?
22. Richmond - ?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-phantom-draft-who-will-be-taken-in-the-first-20-picks/news-story/11e00fb9d6c50ff99661048ead5589e9
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Only Melbourne would pick a ruckman at 3 then a speculative small forward at pick 10.
Still think we take Gould
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We should be trusting our recruiters now.
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Rowell and Anderson will sign 4 year contracts. The Suns will also have Lukosius and King present them their jumpers. They are trying hard to build a culture which has proven difficult thus far.
I can't wait for next week to see who wears the Tiger jumper next year and beyond.
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Foxsports has us taking Cooper Stephens with our first pick.
Ralphsmith and Rantall the other two we're linked to.
It also says we're trying to trade our future first rounder for another top 25 pick in this year's draft.
The early mail: Who YOUR AFL club is considering drafting in the first round
November 24, 2019 6:26pm
Matt Balmer
FOX SPORTS
1. GC - Rowell
2. GC - Anderson
3. Melb - Jackson
4. GWS - Ash
5. GWS - Green (matching Sydney's bid)
6. Syd - Flanders
7. Adel - McAsey
8. Freo - Robertson
9. Freo - Young
10. Carl - Serong
11. Melb - K.Pickett
12. Freo - Henry (matching Hawthorn's bid)
13. Haw - Weightman
14. Port - D.Stephens
15. Dogs - Berman
16. Geel - Kemp
17. GC - Day
18. Port - Worrell
19. Geel - De Koning
20. Port - Bianco
21. Haw - Maginness (matching Richmond's bid)
22. Rich - C.Stephens
PICK 22: RICHMOND – COOPER STEPHENS
Clubs: Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
Position: Inside Midfielder
Size: 188cm, 83kg
Bio: All the time we see players who suffer season ending injuries in their draft year, bounce back to show the doubters wrong upon reaching AFL. And Cooper Stephens might just be that. A broken leg ended his season after just three NAB League appearances for the Geelong Falcons, meaning he wouldn’t take part in the Under 18 Championships. But the midfielder showed his wares when he did play, averaging 26 disposals and 4.0 clearances, as well as running at more than 60 per cent contested possession percentage to start the year. He testing at the draft combine was very impressive, showing off his strong endurance base.
In the mix: Stephens has long been linked to the Tigers, while Hugo Ralphsmith and Jay Rantall are others who have been floated. Without a pressing need, Richmond seem likely to take the best available. Richmond is among those clubs attempting to flick their 2020 first round selection into the top 25 of this years draft.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2019-afl-mock-draft-afl-phantom-draft-matt-balmer-draft-prospects-profiles-rankings/news-story/8112d07059324ce3be7497a4bc03e805
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Looks like the media have all merged on who is going where with the first 11 picks. Then there's the next group of the same names before our pick but in different order and dependent on bids. Our first pick is in the 3rd group of who remains.
If we didn't get screwed by the AFL over the Ellis compo then we wouldn't need to try and trade for another top 25 pick :banghead. It's going to hard to convince another club to give up a top 25 pick for what is likely a late first rounder in next year's compromised and weaker draft. Unless another club knows it's going to have one of the top kids next year then they won't budge. I'd guess we would target a club going into rebuild mode like Adelaide who are looking to the long term and try and grab pick 24 in exchange for our 2020 first rounder and perhaps a swap of our pick 38 for their pick 45. We would have to make the deal favour the Crows for them to consider it. They have already traded for 4 future picks from other clubs including the Giants' 2020 first rounder. Would they like another future first rounder plus move their 3rd rounder into the 2nd round in exchange for 24?
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Yeah I'd do our 2020 first rounder & 38 for crows pick 24.
Draft Stephens, Rantall and or Gould.
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Yeah I'd do our 2020 first rounder & 38 for crows pick 24.
Draft Stephens, Rantall and or Gould.
This is the go
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Not sure we need to do anything , some very good players will get through to our picks,
On the nights there may a need to trade , but only if it’s in our best interest
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Yeah I'd do our 2020 first rounder & 38 for crows pick 24.
Draft Stephens, Rantall and or Gould.
This is the go
I am wondering if this were to happen then we would trade 19 & 24 for pick 10 -12 say if we were after Kemp or Macasey
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TheRoar's top 30 phantom draft has gone a different direction with us going for Sharp.
J: The Tigers have been linked to an inside mid at this pick and with Cooper Stephens off the board I’m happy to put a bid on a similar player in Finn Maginness. But, in my dual-role as Hawthorn’s list manager, I’ll also match that bid.
Pick 22 – Richmond – Jeremy Sharp
189cm, 81kg, ranked No.25 by Champion Data
J: Although Jay Rantall is on the board still in that mould of player that I’m looking for – and there’s a good chance he goes here on the night – I’m going to go in a bit of a different direction and grab Sharp, who is a great ball-mover out of defence or on the wing.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/11/25/afl-mock-draft-2019-top-30/
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Buckenara: Strengths, weaknesses of draft crop
Gary Buckenara
Herald Sun
November 24, 2019
The depth of talent in this year’s draft is strong and in years to come we’ll look back and see players who have developed into good AFL players were taken with later selections.
It is a midfielder’s and rebound defender’s draft but there are also a number of very talented small forwards and general defenders available. For clubs in need of ruckmen and key position players, however, there isn’t much on offer. Clubs requiring these types of players might be forced to sacrifice earlier picks to recruit for needs to bring in the better taller prospects while still available.
The talent pool is very even after the top 5-10 but it will go deep, with players set to be taken in the 25-45 range possessing the talent to turn into good AFL players with the right development and professionalism.
One of the interesting aspects of this draft will be how clubs manage their positional recruiting strategy. Usually recruiters will look at this around pick 35 but the spread of young talent this year means this might not happen until a bit later, around pick 45, as clubs look to invest in the best young players.
That’s not to say, however, clubs won’t look at mature-age players from state leagues who can come in and have an immediate impact. Now more than ever clubs are looking for the next Tim Kelly, Liam Ryan and Tom Stewart.
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Buckenara's Top 50 draft prospects for 2019
Every player ranked in order of talent.
1. MATT ROWELL
178cm, 74kg, Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers, midfielder
Buckenara says: Rowell is a tough and explosive midfielder who excels at stoppages and imposes himself on games. There isn’t much separating he and teammate Noah Anderson but what sets Rowell apart is his ability to play both as an inside and outside midfielder. If you’re an inside midfielder it gives you a big tick but if you show traits of being outside as well, which Rowell does, it elevates you. They’re the traits recruiters really like. He’s got a smart football brain, he’s competitive and is a real inside beast but he’ll equally hurt you by foot on the outside because he uses the ball to the advantage of his teammates, makes good decisions, his vision to assess options is excellent and he’s got good evasive skills. He can be a real playmaker – he makes things happen.
Plays like: Lachie Neale
Stats: Disposals 24.8, contested possessions 12.0, clearances 5.3, tackles 6.0, goals 0.8, score involvements 6.5, ranking points 133
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2. NOAH ANDERSON
188cm, 86kg, Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers, midfielder
Buckenara says: The son of my premiership teammate Dean Anderson, Noah shows enormous talent and is a very creative and smart midfielder. At 188cm he’s a taller midfielder with a very strong endurance base and is good overhead. He regularly kicks goals, averaging two per game in the NAB League for Oakleigh this year, and can kick them from a range of positions, whether it be a long running goal, a mark on the lead or a snap around his body. I have Rowell just ahead of him but Anderson is a more athletic midfielder who sees the game very well.
Plays like: Scott Pendlebury
Stats: Disposals 23.5, contested possessions 10.8, clearances 5.3, tackles 2.8, score involvements 4.0, ranking points 107
3. SAM FLANDERS
182cm, 81kg, Vic Country/Gippsland Power, forward/midfielder
Buckenara says: Flanders has a strong body already and has shown his best football as a forward who can also have a run in the midfield. He has a big upside because he does things on talent – eye-catching things like taking big marks, kicking freakish goals and being very clean in plucking the ball off a pack. I suspect, however, he could get himself much fitter and being in a full-time AFL environment will see him improve sharply, which is why I rate him so highly.
Plays like: Jordan De Goey
Stats: Disposals 22.5, contested possessions 10.0, clearances 4.5, tackles 6.0, score involvements 4.8, ranking points 113
4. LACHLAN ASH
186cm, 80kg, Vic Country/Murray Bushrangers, defender
Buckenara says: Ash brings real speed to this year’s draft. He’s a line-breaker off halfback who likes to take them on and put the ball under his arm. He doesn’t run blindly – he’s composed with the ball and adds plenty of excitement. The is a lot to like about Ash as he has the modern-day traits coaches love – he can be that rebound defender with good skills and in the modern game the players who can execute that 20m sideways kick to open the game up and play on with leg speed are so valuable. He’s a beautiful kick of the footy.
Plays like: Andrew McGrath
Stats: Disposals 23.0, marks 5.0, intercepts marks 1.5, intercept possessions 4.8, tackles 1.3, score involvements 5.3, ranking points 102
5. TOM GREEN
188cm, 85kg, Allies/GWS Academy, midfielder
Buckenara says: Green starred for the Allies in the U18 championships where he showed his ball-winning ability through the midfield. A bid will definitely come early for the GWS Academy prospect, which the Giants will match because he’s a big and strong inside midfielder who can bullock through traffic in a similar style to Patrick Cripps. He sets up the game from midfield. He improved his endurance this season, which has led to better numbers more consistently.
Plays like: Patrick Cripps
Stats: Disposals 23.8, contested possessions 16.3, clearances 8.0, tackles 4.3, score involvements 4.3, ranking points 111
6. CALEB SERONG
178cm, 83kg, Vic Country/Gippsland Power, small forward/midfielder
Buckenara says: A powerful small forward/midfielder, Serong can influence a game in a number of ways. He’s sharp at ground level, neat by foot and is able to set up teammates with clever ball use. He is very clever around goal as well with his uncanny goal sense. When he has time and space in the midfield his burst of speed is really exciting. Serong, who co-captained Vic Country at the carnival, surely has impressed recruiters with his consistent performances during the year but he also has big upside to develop further. He’s a natural sportsman as he’s also a very talented junior cricketer.
Plays like: Robbie Gray
Stats: Disposals 23.5, contested possessions 10.0, clearances 5.3, tackles 8.5, goals 0.8, score involvements 5.8, pressure acts 23.3, ranking points 130
7. WILL GOULD
191cm, 98kg, South Australia/Glenelg, defender
Buckenara says: Gould stepped up to play well at SANFL level where he was part of Glenelg’s premiership side. His mature frame and booming kick are features of his game. He reads the play well, gives excellent rebound from defence and has been likened to West Coast skipper Shannon Hurn because of his powerful style. He will have many admirers.
Plays like: Shannon Hurn
Stats: Disposals 21.5, marks 4.5, intercepts marks 2.0, intercept possessions 6.3, tackles 2.5, score involvements 1.3, ranking points 99
8. HAYDEN YOUNG
188cm, 82kg, Vic Country/Dandenong Stingrays, defender
Buckenara says: Young looks every bit the early pick. He played in the midfield at times this year but looks most comfortable and does most of his damage across halfback where his vision, poise and precise kicking stand out. Young, whose brother Lachie plays for the Bulldogs, is a good size at 188cm, will develop into a nice third tall defender at AFL level and has already shown good signs as a player who can take intercept marks. He brings some good traits and has upside to improve.
Plays like: Brad Sheppard
Stats: Disposals 22.0, marks 5.3, intercept marks 3.3, intercept possessions 8.3, tackles 2.3, score involvements 3.3, ranking points 107
9. FISCHER McASEY
195cm, 86kg, Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro, key defender
Buckenara says: A promising key defender who was a solid contributor throughout the under-18 championships, McAsey did some of his best work in the air by taking many contested and intercept marks. He’s very athletic for a young player of his size, has good foot skills and backs himself. He won’t be purely defensive — he’ll go for his marks when he can because he reads the ball in flight very well. When you’re looking at key position players, these are the traits recruiters love.
Plays like: Tom Barrass
Stats: Disposals 14.5, marks 6.5, tackles 3.0, intercept marks 3.8, intercept possessions 6.8, ranking points 97
10. DYLAN STEPHENS
183cm, 69kg, South Australia/Norwood, midfielder
Buckenara says: Stephens has a big engine coupled with pace and a precise left foot, which will make him one of the most talented and sought-after midfielders in this draft. He grew up in country Victoria before moving to South Australia for school and has already played for Norwood at senior level in the SANFL. His under-18 carnival form was consistent, averaging 23.5 disposals, and showed he has the traits that impress recruiters – clean hands, good skills and a big engine for today’s endurance requirements for outside runners.
Plays like: Isaac Smith
Stats: Disposals 23.5, uncontested possessions 16.0, marks 3.5, clearances 2.8, tackles 4.3, score involvements 2.5, ranking points 89
11. LIAM HENRY
179cm, 67kg, Western Australia/Claremont, small forward
Buckenara says: Fremantle will get first access to Henry as a member of its Next Generation Academy. The lightly-framed teenager is a lively small forward that has real x-factor. He had a minor knee injury that halted some of his progress but he’s shown enough already as a player who can create chaos up forward with his blistering speed. A top-10 bid is not out of the question because he’s got delightful skills and has the talent to be an excitement machine in years to come.
Plays like: Charlie Cameron
Stats: Disposals 17.5, marks 5.3, goals 0.8, score assists 2.0, score involvements 6.5, pressure acts 16.5, tackles 4.0, ranking points 93
12. JOSH WORRELL
195cm, 74kg, Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons, key defender
Buckenara says: The way Worrell is able to float into marking contests in defence and make an impact in the air should bode well at AFL level as a third tall defender. His leap and agility, plus his versatility – he played back, midfield and forward in the championships – will appeal to clubs, especially given there is a lack of taller players in this draft. Worrell is coming off a shoulder reconstruction, which will restrict his initial training and development, but he’s a nice prospect and, if well looked after, has the ability to develop into a very handy player.
Plays like: Jeremy Howe
Stats: Disposals 10.8, marks 3.8, tackles 1.8, intercept possessions 1.8, goals 1.8, score involvements 3.8, ranking points 76
13. BRODIE KEMP
192cm, 82kg, Vic Country/Bendigo Pioneers, utility
Buckenara says: Kemp ruptured his ACL late this year, which could see him be one of the sliders on draft night. If that does happen, he’d prove to be a bargain for the club that selects him. At 192cm, Kemp can play in most positions but has been used predominantly as a marking forward, as a tall midfielder who can extract the ball and across halfback where his vision stands out. He’s not a noted big ball winner, which is why his under-18 championships performances, where he averaged 20 disposals, stood out. He has plenty of upside and could have been a top-10 pick if not for his injury. He’s athletic and moves extremely well for his size.
Plays like: Marcus Bontempelli
Stats: Disposals 20.0, contested possessions 8.5, tackles 2.3, goals 0.8, score involvements 4.3, pressure acts 10.5, ranking points 102
14. FINN MAGINNESS
187cm, 80kg, Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons, midfielder
Buckenara says: The son of my two-time Hawthorn premiership teammate Scott Maginness, Finn enjoyed a really strong season that has seen him shoot up the draft order as a father-son prospect for the Hawks. He’s a tall and athletic midfielder who uses his size to good effect, makes good decisions and uses the ball well, unlike his dad who actually took out a patent on the helicopter drop punt during his playing days (sorry mate!). He continued to improve as the season progressed, with the hard work he’s been putting in to improve his kicking paying off (although he still has some work to do) and he was also able to get to more contests which meant he won more of the footy.
Plays like: Andrew Gaff
Stats: Disposals 18.3, contested possessions 9.5, clearances 3.8, tackles 7.5, score involvements 5.0, ranking points 94
15. JACKSON MEAD
184cm, 83kg, South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens, midfielder
Buckenara says: A father-son prospect for Port Adelaide, Mead is the son of the club’s inaugural best and fairest winner Darren Mead. A midfielder/utility, his performances in the championships would have pleased Power recruiters with his composure and decision-making — his best traits — on show. He does need to tidy up his foot skills to reduce the number of targets he misses but he has proven to be a damaging player who can hurt opposition on the scoreboard.
Plays like: Ben Cunnington
Stats: Disposals 21.3, uncontested possessions 13.8, clearances 3.0, tackles 5.0, score involvements 4.5, goals 1.0, ranking points 106
16. DEVEN ROBERTSON
182cm, 80kg, Western Australia/Perth, midfielder/defender
Buckenara says: Robertson captained Western Australia and won the Larke Medal as the best player in the under-18 championships. The nephew of former West Coast captain Darren Glass, Robertson has really improved his athletic ability and makes things happen when he gets the ball because he’s a smart player who makes really good decisions. If there’s a knock on him, it’s his pace but, over the years, we’ve seen players make up for that by using their footy smarts.
Plays like: Mitch Duncan
Stats: Disposals 30.0, contested possessions 11.8, marks 4.3, score involvements 4.0, tackles 6.8, pressure acts 18.5, ranking points 128
17. CODY WEIGHTMAN
177cm, 73kg, Vic Country/Dandenong Stingrays, small forward
Buckenara says: The speedy small forward really impressed this season and topped the goal kicking in his four under-18 championships games after finishing with nine. Weightman likes to fly for his marks, a trait in small forwards which has come to the fore in recent years, so expect some strong interest from clubs looking for this type of player. While he does play a bit taller than his stature suggests, he’s very dangerous at ground level and will apply pressure. He brings excitement and is the pick of the small forwards in this draft outside Liam Henry, who Fremantle has first access to.
Plays like: Jamie Elliott
Stats: Disposals 11.0, marks 3.5, goals 2.3, score involvements 4.5, pressure acts 10.3, tackles 2.0, ranking points 80
18. LUKE JACKSON
198cm, 94kg, Western Australia/East Fremantle, ruck
Buckenara says: Jackson is clearly the best ruckman in this draft and, given the shortage of big men, he will likely be taken much earlier by a club desperate for a developing ruck. He had a really strong season, winning All-Australian selection as the best ruckman in the under-18 championships. But, at 198cm, Jackson is undersized as a No.1 ruckman at AFL level. The club that picks him will be hoping he grows a little bit more because to be a genuine ruckman in today’s game you need to be 200cm-plus. He has good aggression and competitiveness and loves to use his body strongly in contests, including at ground level. He’s athletic but isn’t noted for his ability to go forward and take a mark despite being more than capable of plucking them around the ground. This ability could develop in time but it’s why I hope he’ll have a growth spurt to push him over 200cm.
Plays like: Ben McEvoy
Stats: Disposals 14.5, marks 2.3, hit outs 36.8, hit outs to advantage 9.5, clearances 4.5, tackles 2.8, score involvements 3.3, ranking points 110
19. WILL DAY
187cm, 70kg, South Australia/West Adelaide, defender
Buckenara says: A rebounding defender/outside midfielder with a light body at present, Day doesn’t let that stop him from being a fierce competitor. He has good athleticism and provides great impetus off half back, where he was a consistent performer for South Australia and often set his team up with his running patterns to link up attacking moves. He’s an interesting player because I believe we haven’t yet seen the best of this potentially late developer. I think he has big upside, but time will tell.
Plays like: Brodie Smith
Stats: Disposals 18.8, marks 5.0, intercept marks 1.5, intercepts possessions 7.5, tackles 1.3, ranking points 89
20. HARRISON JONES
194cm, 75kg, Vic Metro/Calder Cannons, key forward
Buckenara says: Jones elevated himself into calculations with strong performances as a key forward during the carnival. He has a light frame at present but I believe he’s capable of putting on good size and clubs will identify him as a project key-position player who has a good work ethic. He leads up well to the ball carrier, has a good pair of hands, is agile and looks comfortable in front of goal, so there is a lot to like. These types of players are hard to find, so expect strong interest in Jones, given the lack of his type in this draft.
Plays like: Tim O’Brien
Stats: Disposals 9.3, marks 3.3, tackles 2.8, goals 1.0, score involvements 4.8, ranking points 63
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21. TRENT BIANCO
178, 70kg, Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers, defender/midfielder
Buckenara says: What is most impressive about Bianco is his ball use. It is a long-held opinion of mine that players who can kick the ball well as rebound defenders hold a very strong appeal to recruiters and Bianco definitely does that. He put himself on the radar with his performances for Vic Metro, where he averaged 18.5 disposals, and as captain of premiership side Oakleigh in the NAB League, where he had a really good finals campaign.
Plays like: Matt Suckling
Stats: Disposals 18.5, marks 4.3, tackles 3.0, intercepts marks 1.0, intercept possessions 3.3, score involvements 2.8, ranking points 99
22. THOMSON DOW
182cm, 72kg, Vic Country/Bendigo Pioneers, midfielder
Buckenara says: The younger brother of Carlton’s Paddy, Dow has taken the eye of recruiters this year. He’s different to his brother in that he plays a little bit taller and occasionally drifts forward to offer a target. Dow is lightly framed but agile and has a nice burst of speed, so he looks a good prospect who brings some nice attributes to the table. It will take some time and patience from the club that picks him to build up his light body.
Plays like: David Mackay
Stats: Disposals 12.3, contested possessions 4.8, clearances 2.5, score involvements 1.5, tackles 1.8, pressure acts 10.8, ranking points 48
23. SAM DE KONING
200cm, 85kg, Vic Country/Dandenong Stingrays, key defender/forward/ruck
Buckenara says: De Koning is like his brother, Carlton’s Tom De Koning, and will take time to fully develop and make his mark. Players like him, however, are very hard to find and although it will take time, if you can develop them, they become very valuable players to have on your list. He played as a key defender for Vic Country and looked good athletically, despite being very raw, and has also played as a forward-ruckman, which recruiters will like. Clubs looking for an athletic forward-ruck to develop will need to lock him away fairly early and be patient in developing him. He can be inconsistent but has shown signs of being a very good player. He could start his career as a defender, just to develop and get confidence.
Plays like: Harry McKay
Stats: Disposals 12.5, marks 4.8, intercept marks 3.0, intercept possessions 5.8, ranking points 61
24. ELIJAH TAYLOR
185cm, 75kg, Western Australia/Perth, forward/midfielder
Buckenara says: Taylor is an extremely talented footballer who will hopefully fulfil his true potential because his speed, skill and football nous is there for all to see. At the moment, though, he tends to play in bursts and can drop out of a game when he gets close attention from a defender. He doesn’t need much space to be dangerous and can quickly impact a game in 15 minutes. AFL is far harder, but if Taylor can work hard on his fitness, I see him as a very dangerous potential forward/midfielder because he has real brilliance and reflexes and, when you combine that with his pace, skill and football nous, it makes him a serious player to watch.
Plays like: Liam Ryan
Stats: Disposals 12.3, marks 2.5, goals 1.5, score involvements 4.5, tackles 1.0, pressure acts 11.3, ranking points 67
25. MILES BERGMAN
186cm, 75kg, Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons, midfielder/forward
Buckenara says: Bergman had some challenges this year as he managed shin splints. He’s not a high possession-winner but he makes things happen when he gets the ball. He’s just one of those playmakers. He can play on the wing or as a forward and has provided some good highlights with a high mark or long goal. There is huge upside for Bergman, once he gets on top of the shin splints, making him one of the smokies in this draft. He’s one of the best kicks available, so don’t be surprised if he goes top 20.
Plays like: James Sicily
Stats: Disposals 13.3, marks 5.3, tackles 3.8, goals 0.3, score involvements 3.3, pressure acts 14.0, ranking points 74
26. DYLAN WILLIAMS
185cm, 79kg, Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers, utility
Buckenara says: Williams showed his talent last year for Oakleigh Chargers when he booted 14 goals in the finals series as an underage player. Unfortunately he’s had stress fractures in his back this year, which have caused him to drift from a potential top-10 selection. Williams’ marking is a real strength, he’s clean at ground level, clever around goal and is a lovely left-foot kick. He can also be used across halfback, where his reading of the play comes to the fore. He can also occasionally run through midfield. He finds ways to impact games with his x-factor. Despite being a bit inconsistent, he looks a very nice prospect as a potential ‘Mr Fix It’.
Plays like: Chad Wingard
Stats: Disposals 13.1, contested possessions 6.6, tackles 1.1, goals 2.3, score involvements 5.6, ranking points 90 (NAB League)
27. JEREMY SHARP
187cm, 79kg, Western Australia/East Fremantle, midfielder/defender
Buckenara says: Sharp boasts great athletic traits – he has really good pace and endurance and his running is clearly the biggest feature of his game, which he’s able to use as an outside player to run up and down the ground. His skills are good and he highlighted this during the national championships, when he again won All-Australian selection. He has played senior WAFL level football, so will be well conditioned to facing bigger bodies.
Plays like: Bradley Hill
Stats: Disposals 21.0, uncontested possessions 15.8, marks 5.8, goals 0.8, score involvements 3.8, tackles 1.3, ranking points 83
28. HARRY SCHOENBERG
180cm, 78kg, South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens, midfielder
Buckenara says: Playing as a midfielder with occasional stints across half forward, Schoenberg shows some terrific traits that recruiters like – competitiveness, decision-making and skill. His competitiveness to win inside ball and feed it to outside runners is a real feature of his game, but he also likes to be a playmaker and try to make something happen. He’s very athletic and can run up and down the ground, a trait that will be very attractive to coaches.
Plays like: Sam Menegola
Stats: Disposals 27.0, contested possessions 12.3, clearances 5.8, marks 4.8, score involvements 5.8, tackles 4.8, ranking points 122
29. CAMERON TAHENY
185cm, 80kg, South Australia/Norwood, forward
Buckenara says: Taheny is an exciting and dangerous forward who can produce something from nothing. He’s already played at senior level for Norwood in the SANFL and performed well, averaging two goals per game despite injury niggles with his knee and quad. He has really good speed, a good kick, a nice leap, a really good pair of hands and plays a bit like a key position player despite standing at 185cm. He’s a hard player to match-up on because he plays taller than his height suggests.
Plays like: Gary Rohan
Stats: Disposals 14.0, marks 2.7, tackles 3.0, pressure acts 13.3, goals 1.0, score involvements 3.7, ranking points 67
30. JAY RANTALL
184cm, 82kg, Vic Country/GWV, midfielder/defender
Buckenara says: Rantall has a strong work ethic, which is one of his best traits, and recruiters will like his no-nonsense style of football where his trademark is his ability to just get the job done. He looks to be a real professional with the way he goes about his football and once in a full-time AFL environment, I’m sure we’ll see the same diligence from him as he won’t be one to get ahead of himself. I’m sure he’ll get the best out of himself and become a real pro at AFL level in time.
Plays like: Nick Vlastuin
Stats: Disposals 18.8, intercept possessions 1.3, marks 3.0, tackles 3.5, score involvements 4.5, ranking points 84
31. NICK BRYAN
202cm, 87kg, Vic Metro/Oakleigh Chargers, ruckman/forward
Buckenara says: One of the best ruck prospects in this draft, Bryan is lightly framed but that plays into his strengths. He’s so mobile he’s virtually an extra midfielder around the ground. He has good skills and reads the play very well, while he can also provide a marking option up forward. Clubs will definitely look at him as a potential ruck-forward.
Plays like: Tim English
Stats: Disposals 9.3, hit outs 22.0, hit outs to advantage 6.5, marks 2.5, tackles 3.3, score involvements 3.0, ranking points 75
32. CHARLIE COMBEN
199cm, 82kg, Vic Country/Gippsland Power, key forward/ruck
Buckenara says: Comben is a project player that has shown glimpses of talent. He demonstrated some of what he can do during the under-18 carnival but as we know, talls take a bit of time to develop and grow into their frames. Comben has traits recruiters like in tall players – athleticism, a good leap to take a mark and gets around the ground well – and could develop into a nice forward-ruck or ruck-forward.
Plays like: Harry McKay
Stats: Disposals 8.7, marks 3.7, tackles 6.0, pressure acts 11.0, goals 0.7, score involvements 1.7, ranking points 85
33. TRENT RIVERS
188cm, 85kg, Western Australia/East Fremantle, defender
Buckenara says: Rivers is an attacking and rebounding halfback flanker who likes to take the game on. He was a consistent player across the carnival for Western Australia, where he averaged 21.8 disposals, and was a key player in its title win. He has the potential to develop into a midfielder at AFL level if he can get a bigger engine because he can tire quickly. He’s got good leg speed and is a reasonable kick.
Plays like: Brodie Smith
Stats: Disposals 21.8, uncontested possessions 14.3, marks 5.0, intercept marks 1.5, intercept possessions 6.3, tackles 2.5, ranking points 94
34. COOPER STEPHENS
188cm, 83kg, Vic Country/Geelong Falcons, midfielder
Buckenara says: A big-bodied midfielder, Stephens is a ball winner who thrives in contested situations. He broke his leg in April, which meant he didn’t play in the championships, but he was fit for the draft combine where he really impressed with both his performances and the condition in which he returned. It’s a credit to his work ethic and professionalism, how hard he’s worked to get his body into great shape. It won’t surprise to see him go earlier in this draft such was his performance at the combine.
Plays like: Luke Shuey
Stats: Disposals 19.0, contested possessions 12.0, tackles 3.7, clearances 3.7, score involvements 3.0, ranking points 93 (NAB League)
35. KYSAIAH PICKETT
170cm, 67kg, South Australia/Woodville-West Torrens, small forward
Buckenara says: Pickett is a lively and quick small forward with great reflexes and fantastic evasive skills. He’s capable of taking a big mark so there’s a lot to like about his ability. He needs to become a lot fitter as his impact on games at this stage is done in bursts but he’s got some of that Rioli brilliance and vision about him to make things happen. If he can dedicate himself to football then he’ll be a real excitement machine.
Plays like: Cyril Rioli
Stats: Disposals 13.7, marks 2.3, goals 0.7, score involvements 3.0, tackles 2.7, forward 50 tackles 1.3, pressure acts 15.0, ranking points 76
36. HUGO RALPHSMITH
186cm, 70kg, Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons, midfielder
Buckenara says: Ralphsmith is going to be a later developer. He’s the son of my former teammate Sean Ralphsmith, who played 34 games for Hawthorn and St Kilda, but doesn’t qualify as a father-son for either club. He has inherited his dad’s commitment and competitiveness in the contest (his dad was a kamikaze-style player who was often banned by ‘Yabby’ Jeans from one-on-one training because it was too dangerous to have him pitted against the ‘thoroughbreds’ as Yabby would say!). He’s around the same size as his dad and plays as a hardworking midfielder but has also spent time deep forward where he flies for his marks. Has ability but is still raw and it may take time for him to fully develop consistency in performance.
Plays like: Connor Blakely
Stats: Disposals 11.1, contested possessions 3.7, clearances 1.5, tackles 2.0, goals 0.7, score involvements 3.3, pressure acts 11.0, ranking points 49
37. RYAN BYRNES
181cm, 80kg, Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons, midfielder
Buckenara says: Byrnes’s performances this year were really consistent as a midfielder who wins the ball and hurts the opposition with his acceleration and foot skills. He regularly wins first possession at stoppages, using his speed and agility to break the lines and has good vision to assess his options and hit targets inside 50. There’s a lot to like about his footy and it wouldn’t surprise to see him taken earlier.
Plays like: Jack Steven
Stats: Disposals 25.6, contested possessions 12.1, clearances 5.5, inside 50s 5.6, tackles 3.5, score involvements 5.9, ranking points 120 (NAB League)
38. JACK MAHONY
176cm, 70kg, Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons, small forward/midfielder
Buckenara says: Mahony’s crumbing work and ground level ball-winning ability combined with his forward pressure, tackling, excellent kicking skills and decision-making and vision will appeal given the way today’s footy is being played. Those traits make him a dangerous player and what clubs are looking for in small forwards. He’s also capable of pushing up into the midfield.
Plays like: Jack Higgins
Stats: Disposals 18.0, contested possessions 8.8, clearances 2.8, tackles 3.5, pressure acts 17.8, goals 1.0, score involvements 6.5, ranking points 106
39. DYSON HILDER
196cm, 91kg, South Australia/North Adelaide, key defender
Buckenara says: Hilder is a key defender who was one of South Australia’s best during the championships. He’s a very good intercept mark and good in one-on-one marking contests as he reads the drop of the ball well. He generally makes good decisions when he has the ball and given the lack of talls in this draft, should have some admirers. He needs to work on his fitness and agility over the summer.
Plays like: Scott Thompson
Stats: Disposals 12.5, marks 4.8, intercept marks 2.3, intercept possessions 5.8, tackles 1.3, score involvements 2.3, ranking points 81
40. RHAI-ARN COX
174cm, 76kg, East Perth, small forward
Buckenara says: Cox is a small forward who is quick, evasive, skilful and has x-factor. He’s a smoky – it will be a bit of a gamble as to whether he can survive in a full-time AFL environment because there are question marks over his commitment – but he’s hugely talented and has traits similar to West Coast’s Liam Ryan. Will the professional demands and pressure of the AFL be too much for him? He’s one of the most talented players in this draft. A boom or bust pick.
Plays like: Liam Ryan
Stats: Disposals 12.0, contested possessions 7.3, goals 1.3, score involvements 4.7, tackles 2.7, forward 50 tackles 1.5, ranking points 95 (WAFL Colts)
41. JAKE RICCARDI
195cm, 92kg, Werribee, key forward
Buckenara says: Riccardi should be on the radar of AFL clubs after a really good season for Werribee in the VFL, where he averaged just under two goals per game and kicked 38 for the season. He’s been overlooked before but with the lack of height in this draft, the 20-year-old definitely has something to offer as a key forward. His form in the last few seasons in the VFL has improved each year and playing under Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams would have done his development the world of good. He’s played good footy against men and that tells me he has scope to improve further. He’d be a smart pick.
Plays like: Tom Hawkins
Stats: Disposals 11.1, marks 5.0, contested marks 1.1, goals 1.9, score involvements 5.5, tackles 1.9, ranking points 63
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42. DARCY CASSAR
183cm, 75kg, Vic Metro/Western Jets, midfielder
Buckenara says: Cassar is an interesting player who could get an opportunity. He will be a later developer and in the long-term, I think he’ll become a nice high half-forward/outside midfielder. His speed and endurance are his main attributes but like most players he needs to tidy up his foot skills and his decision-making. But those are not huge issues. I feel he has enough attributes to be a nice long-term player after a consistent season in the NAB League. He showed improvement from his bottom-age year, which is a good sign.
Plays like: Steven Motlop
Stats: Disposals 16.0, uncontested possessions 9.7, score involvements 3.3, pressure acts 8.7, ranking points 64
43. MITCH GEORGIADES
191cm, 78kg, Subiaco, forward
Buckenara says: Georgiades missed the entire 2019 season due to a serious quad injury but showed enough signs in 2018 to suggest he could be a nice player for the future. He really set himself for the draft combine given he had no exposed form to bank on and produced good numbers in all tests and interviewed well about where his body is at and how much he wants to be an AFL player. He obviously trained really hard to get himself ready for the combine, which is hard to do when you’re not playing, especially for a young kid, so that sends a good message to recruiters about his work ethic and commitment. He has an x-factor and if he can get on top of his injuries, has enough ability to become a nice high half forward or even a tall playmaker through the midfield.
Plays like: Jack Gunston
Stats: Disposals 10.3, marks 3.5, forward 50 marks 1.3 tackles 1.5, goals 0.8, score involvements 3.3, tackles 1.5, ranking points 45 (2018 under-18 championships)
44. BROCK SMITH
188cm, 81kg, Vic Country/Gippsland Power, defender
Buckenara says: Smith is a rebounding defender who had a big role to play for Gippsland this year given he was often asked to play as a key defender despite being 189cm. At AFL level, however, he’ll be a perfect halfback who provides rebound but is also a very good intercept mark and can spoil taller opponents by using his athleticism to get over the top.
Plays like: Zach Touhy
Stats: Disposals 13.7, contested possessions 6.7, marks 2.7, intercept possessions 6.3, tackles 3.0, ranking points 69
45. SAM PHILP
185cm, 80kg, Northern Knights, midfielder
Buckenara says: Philp has elite speed and had a really impressive second half of the season in the NAB League for Northern Knights, where his athleticism made him stand out. He needs to tidy up his skills but has big upside given his line-breaking speed and competitiveness to win the ball.
Plays like: Jack Steven
Stats: Disposals 22.6, contested possessions 11.4, clearances 5.7, tackles 5.8, score involvements 4.3, ranking points 126
46. MITCH O’NEILL
181cm, 70kg, Allies/Tasmania, midfielder
Buckenara says: O’Neill might be the only Tasmanian selected in the draft this year after showing his ability to win the footy in the contest despite his small physique. He’s a very smart player who uses the ball intelligently, so clubs might look to develop his footy smarts as a small forward, defender or midfielder in a similar way to how the Bulldogs have used Caleb Daniel. He’ll need time to develop his body and craft but on footy smarts has potential.
Plays like: Caleb Daniel
Stats: Disposals 20.3, contested possessions 7.5, marks 5.5, clearances 2.5, tackles 1.3, score involvements 2.8, ranking points 85
47. NOAH CUMBERLAND
183cm, 79kg, Allies/Brisbane Lions Academy, utility
Buckenara says: Cumberland is a Brisbane Lions Academy member who can play in a variety of positions but will be best suited as a rebound defender or outside midfielder at AFL level where he can use his speed to break the lines and kick the ball long inside 50 and be that 60-80m ball carrier.
Plays like: Daniel Rich
Stats: Disposals 11.0, clearances 2.3, tackles 4.5, pressure acts 17.0, goals 0.8, score involvements 2.5, ranking points 74
48. DARCY CHIRGWIN
191cm, 80kg, Vic Country/Sandringham Dragons, midfielder
Buckenara says: Chirgwin managed just seven games this year due to a broken leg but when he returned performed strongly for the Dragons late in the year. His clearance work was good and the athletic 191cm midfielder is sure to have admirers as he has a nice frame that will develop – we know big-bodied midfielders are the types clubs really like. He has upside and it wouldn’t surprise to see him taken earlier.
Plays like: Daniel Howe
Stats: Disposals 24.7, contested possessions 12.4, clearances 5.1, tackles 7.9, score involvements 3.7, ranking points 122 (NAB League)
49. COOPER SHARMAN
194cm, 78kg, Oakleigh Chargers, forward
Buckenara says: Sharman is a former GWS Academy member who was overlooked last year, so he moved to Victoria and played under Rodney Eade at Balwyn before getting some opportunities with Oakleigh as a top-age player. He’s a nice forward in the making and is a lovely kick – his set shot conversion rate (73.7 per cent) is really good. He has a very light frame and will take time to develop but shows good signs.
Plays like: Josh Schache
Stats: Disposals 11.5, marks 4.3, contested marks 0.8, goals 1.8, score involvements 4.8, tackles 1.6, ranking points 80
50. LACHLAN DELAHUNTY
194cm, 91kg, Subiaco, key forward
Buckenara says: I have pushed Delahunty for a few years now and with the lack of key position talent this year, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him taken in the national or rookie draft. He won the Sandover Medal this year, has consistently performed well in the WAFL for a number of years now and at 29, I believe he’d be a very smart late pick. I have put him in my top 50 knowing he most likely won’t get picked inside 50 but clubs needing a key forward, such as Collingwood, should seriously look at him. He’s in career-best form and still has 3-4 years of good football in him. He’s got a really good leap, a good pair of hands, is a lovely kick and can even help out in the ruck, which he’s done in the WAFL to good effect.
Plays like: Daniel McStay
Stats: Disposals 26.8, marks 6.4, tackles 2.3, goals 0.8, score involvements 7.8, hit outs 16.6, hit outs to advantage 3.0, clearances 5.2, ranking points 130
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/gary-buckenara/gary-buckenara-names-his-top-50-prospects-for-2019-afl-draft/news-story/83660db08be1e249f1f09b59a75b8a2b
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The names in the mix to be selected by Richmond at pick 19
By Laurence Rosen
SEN
25 Nov 2019
AFL Media’s draft expert Cal Twomey has floated several names who are in the mix to be taken at pick 19 by Richmond.
The Tigers’ earliest pick in 2018 was 20 – which they used to select Riley Collier-Dawkins – but this year presents the reigning premiers a chance to select a name slightly higher in the draft.
Twomey said Calder Cannons forward Harrison Jones and Geelong Falcons inside midfielder Cooper Stevens were in the frame to be selected on Wednesday night.
“I think a good player,” he said on SEN Breakfast when asked what sort of player Richmond fans should expect to be selected at pick 19.
“There’s a few in that mix. Harrison Jones is a key forward who could potentially start his career as a tall back. He’s pretty athletic and is a chance to be around there (pick 19).
“Cooper Stevens has been linked to that pick as well. He’s an inside midfielder who missed most of the year with a broken leg. I think he would have gone a little bit higher had he played most of the year.
“Trent Bianco is a good user through the midfield. There’s a few names around there.
“It’s interesting whether they go midfield, which they’ve bolstered the last couple of years. They got Riley Collier-Dawkins and Jack Ross last year. Or they go tall which they might want to add to their stocks on that front.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/11/25/the-names-in-the-mix-to-be-selected-by-richmond-at-pick-19/
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Rivers, De Koning, Riccardi, Byrnes, Kelly :shh
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AFL draft preview: How the first round is likely to unfold
The Age
November 25, 2019 — 3.46pm
In this special episode of the Real Footy podcast, Michael Gleeson and Daniel Cherny preview this year's national draft.
https://www.theage.com.au/podcast/the-age-real-footy-podcast/afl-draft-preview-how-the-first-round-is-likely-to-unfold-20191125-p53dw9.html
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Wouldn't mind selecting Jones with our first pick. Has grown to 197 - a great mover and clean kick.
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I've seen some highlights only but De Koning looks like a very decent player who we could develop in our reserves for 12 to 18 months and be ready for a key defensive roll.
Jeremy Sharp is a ready to go player. Reckon hes a big chance for our 1st pick.
Elijah Taylor I really like from the highlights. In our development system I reckon we could turn him into a
high level footballer
hopefully our recruiters can have a good week this week.
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19 C stephens if gone Rivers
38 Georgiades dont think he will get this far but im hopeful
First two picks have had a lot of injury but they are talented.
39 Philp has some disposal issues otherwise he would go mutch higher imo.
41 Hilder i have some concerns Finlay looks more athletic but a kpd is a list need imo.worth taking a punt on one around here
56 Ruscoe very versatile utility who is a good size.
75 Sokal. Mature state league
77 Partington.Mature State league
I think each player mentioned is a chance to be there at each pick.
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Twomey's finalised top 30 phantom draft tonight has us taking Cooper Stephens with our first pick.
1. GC - Rowell
2. GC - Anderson
3. Melb - Jackson
4. GWS - Ash
5. Syd - Flanders
6. Adel - McAsey
7. Freo - Young
8. Freo - Serong
9. Carl - D.Stephens
10. GWS - Green ..... (matching Melbourne's bid)
11. Melb - K.Pickett
12. Haw - Day
13. Port - Bergman
14. WB - Weightman
15. Geel - Robertson
16. GC - Kemp
17. Port - De Koning
18. Freo - Henry ....... (matching Geelong's bid)
19. Geel - Worrell
20. Port - Jones
21. Richmond - COOPER STEPHENS
POS: Midfielder
Ht 188cm, Wt 83kg, DOB 17/1/01
From Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
Stephens is right in Richmond's mix and fits the prototype of the Tigers: hard, contested and tough. It would have been interesting to see where Stephens went in this year's draft had he played all season, because you get the sense he would have dominated as a big, strong inside midfielder. Nevertheless, he has overcome the broken leg that ruined his draft campaign and he returned to star at the Draft Combine and show his wares. The midfielder has good hands in close and opponents find it hard to stop him around the ball. Could be a steal at this point of the draft.
If not him? Midfielders Jay Rantall and Trent Bianco are in the mix for the Tigers, as are Harrison Jones and Sam De Koning. They could be the club that bids on Hawks father-son Finn Maginness.
22. GC - Gould
23. Bris - Rivers
24. Adel - Rantall
25. Adel - Schoenberg
26. Haw - Maginness ..... (matching Geelong's bid)
27. Geel - Bianco
28. Syd - Taylor
29. North - Ralphsmith
30. North - Comben
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-25/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-draft-top-30-your-clubs-whispers
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Who is your club eyeing later in the draft?
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
25 Nov 2019 7:00pm
RICHMOND
Picks: 19, 38, 39, 41, 56 (likely to use five selections)
Rivals see Richmond's pick No.19 as gettable for the right price, so it will be interesting to see if other clubs push for it on draft night.
The Tigers have an interest in Hugo Ralphsmith if he's available at their second-round selections, while Flynn Perez is also likely to come into their considerations at that point if still up for grabs. Perez missed this season after tearing his ACL last year but has pace and kicks well. Cam Taheny is a possibility, with the South Australian forward likely to be available a bit later than many would have expected earlier in the season, while another half-forward in Jai Jackson has been linked to the Tigers. Could they also be interested in adding to their big man department? Ruckman Jack Bell and versatile tall Bigoa Nyuon, who is tied to St Kilda's Next Generation Academy, have generated some interest. Both shape as project players.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-25/cal-twomeys-2019-phantom-draft-top-30-your-clubs-whispers
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20. HARRISON JONES
194cm, 75kg, Vic Metro/Calder Cannons, key forward
Plays like: Tim O’Brien
Stats: Disposals 9.3, marks 3.3, tackles 2.8, goals 1.0, score involvements 4.8, ranking points 63
:lol
If he plays like Tim O'Brien, he'll go undrafted and be playing VFL in 2020
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Sounds like another Post.... :shh
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Tim O'Brien is developing pretty well at Hawthorn. Kicked multiple goals on different occassions. Hes going ok for his age as a CHF.
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Tim O’Brien is 26 in March 2020.
Has done nothing yet in his career and at 26, is unlikely ever to do anything either
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The Adelaide Advertiser also has us going for Cooper Stephens. The Crows want him at their picks 24 & 25 but we or some other club will get in first.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/top25-mock-draft-the-dockers-decisions-at-no-7-and-8-are-likely-to-dictate-who-rises-and-falls-in-the-afl-draft/news-story/f8ca485ca703ace8657084eb4c0848af
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After breaking his leg, this gun AFL draftee got seriously ripped
November 26, 2019
Matt Balmer
FOX SPORTS
There is no draft prospect arguably more ready to hit an AFL pre-season at full swing than Victorian Cooper Stephens.
And his gruelling training efforts with Geelong Falcons high performance manager Matt Critchley certainly has kept him on his toes ahead of the national draft later this week.
Stephens had his season ended early after a broken leg in April kept him out of sights of AFL club recruiters on the field, with the inside midfielder likened to Fremantle star Nat Fyfe out on the ground.
“The pain was pretty excruciating,” Stephens revealed to foxfooty.com.au at the draft combine.
“It kind of died down and in the hospital room I was kind of optimistic that it might’ve been just a sprain, but when I got my X-ray back and with the Australia game coming up a couple of weeks later and then the championships, that was the main thing I was really disappointed about.”
The 18-year-old praised his recovery program put in place by Critchley, declaring it “awesome” as the midfielder returned to running 10 weeks before his impressive efforts at the draft combine in October.
Stephens blitzed the combine, showing off his impressive endurance capabilities to score a combine-high 21.8 on the Yo-Yo test then run an outstanding time of six minutes and 17 seconds in the 2km time trial.
Despite the injury stopping Stephens from contending for top-10 selection, he remained positive and passionate around his peers, still recognised as a vice-captain by the Vic Country players.
“It was pretty difficult at the start just getting over that initial devastation, things didn’t go to plan. The support crew around me with the high performance and medical were really good,” Stephens said.
“I got over it really quickly and especially with some of the boys at Vic Country with Flynn Perez and Tanner Bruhn, you can’t be too devastated and we grouped up and it was pretty good.
“I was pretty lucky, I kept involved with Vic Country and the academy stuff, I was still lucky enough to... have the headsets and be up in the box and all that sort of stuff.”
Stephens is among the players pushing to be selected inside the top 20, with Richmond among the clubs considering drafting the tall midfielder.
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Cooper Stephens also worked closely with Geelong Falcons coaches while sidelined. Picture: Stephen HarmanSource: News Corp Australia
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Geelong Falcons prospect Cooper Stephens training with Matt Critchley at Highton Reserve. Picture: Stephen Harman Source: News Corp Australia
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2019-cooper-stephens-ripped-abs-photos-geelong-falcons/news-story/04a31dcb5dee39b69470f95dd57ea7ad
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The final draft order has us with 5 picks: 19, 38, 39, 41, 56.
So we'll be finished by the end of the 3rd round.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-25/final-draft-order-check-out-your-clubs-picks
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The 3 blokes on the draft show on the AFL website look like the original Ghostbusters minus Bill Murray but add in Rick Moranis
I wonder if any of them have ever played a game of footy in their lives.
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All the main footy media sites going into the big day have us taking Cooper Stephens with our first pick tonight.
Firstly, Callum Twomey on the AFL website.
LATE MAIL TOP 30
Pick 1 – Gold Coast – Matt Rowell
Pick 2 – Gold Coast – Noah Anderson
Pick 3 – Melbourne – Luke Jackson
Pick 4 – Greater Western Sydney – Lachie Ash
Pick 5 – Sydney – Sam Flanders
Pick 6 – Adelaide – Fischer McAsey
Pick 7 – Fremantle – Hayden Young
Pick 8 – Fremantle – Caleb Serong
Pick 9 – Carlton – Dylan Stephens
Pick 10 – Greater Western Sydney (matching Melbourne's bid) – Tom Green
Pick 11 – Melbourne – Kysaiah Pickett
Pick 12 – Hawthorn – Will Day
Pick 13 – Port Adelaide – Miles Bergman
Pick 14 – Western Bulldogs – Cody Weightman
Pick 15 – Geelong – Deven Robertson
Pick 16 – Gold Coast – Brodie Kemp
Pick 17 – Port Adelaide – Sam De Koning
Pick 18 – Fremantle (matching Geelong's bid) – Liam Henry
Pick 19 – Geelong – Josh Worrell
Pick 20 – Port Adelaide – Harrison Jones
Pick 21 – Richmond – Cooper Stephens
Pick 22 – Gold Coast – Will Gould
Pick 23 – Brisbane – Trent Rivers
Pick 24 – Adelaide – Jay Rantall
Pick 25 – Adelaide – Harry Schoenberg
Pick 26 – Hawthorn (matching Geelong's bid) – Finn Maginness
Pick 27 – Geelong – Trent Bianco
Pick 28 – Sydney – Elijah Taylor
Pick 29 – North Melbourne – Hugo Ralphsmith
Pick 30 – North Melbourne – Charlie Comben
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-26/cal-twomeys-late-mail-mcasey-the-wildcard-in-top-10
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Secondly, The Age:
Pick 1 – Gold Coast – Matt Rowell
Pick 2 – Gold Coast – Noah Anderson
Pick 3 – Melbourne – Luke Jackson
Pick 4 – Greater Western Sydney – Lachie Ash
Pick 5 – Sydney – Sam Flanders
Pick 6 – Adelaide – Fischer McAsey
Pick 7 – Fremantle – Hayden Young
Pick 8 – Fremantle – Caleb Serong
Pick 9 – Carlton – Dylan Stephens
Pick 10 – Greater Western Sydney (matching Melbourne's bid) – Tom Green
Pick 11 – Melbourne – Kysaiah Pickett
Pick 12 – Hawthorn – Will Day
Pick 13 – Port Adelaide – Miles Bergman
Pick 14 – Fremantle (matching Western Bulldogs's bid) – Liam Henry
Pick 15 – Western Bulldogs – Cody Weightman
Pick 16 – Geelong – Brodie Kemp
Pick 17 – Gold Coast – Deven Robertson
Pick 18 – Port Adelaide – Sam De Koning
Pick 19 – Geelong – Harrison Jones
Pick 20 – Port Adelaide – Trent Bianco
Pick 21 – Hawthorn (matching Richmond's bid) – Finn Maginness
22. RICHMOND
Cooper Stephens (medium midfielder)
Geelong Falcons/Colac 188cm, 83kg
Who to pick when your list looks to have it all, as is the case at Richmond? Midfielder Stephens’ season was ended by a broken leg but worked tirelessly back to elite fitness, to the point he was a star at October’s draft combine. Bianco is also around the mark here, while the Tigers could conceivably nab a tall as well if one of De Koning, Jones or Worrell are still on the board. Unless they trade it, Gold Coast should have the first pick of Thursday night’s second round, at which point industry sources expect them to land WA medium defender Trent Rivers. Worrell could be available on Thursday night too.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2019-first-round-predictions-20191126-p53ecr.html
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And Thirdly, Matt Balmer from Foxsports:
Pick 1 – Gold Coast – Matt Rowell
Pick 2 – Gold Coast – Noah Anderson
Pick 3 – Melbourne – Luke Jackson
Pick 4 – Greater Western Sydney – Lachie Ash
Pick 5 – Sydney – Sam Flanders
Pick 6 – Adelaide – Fischer McAsey
Pick 7 – Greater Western Sydney (matching Fremantle's bid) – Tom Green
Pick 8 – Fremantle – Dylan Stephens
Pick 9 – Fremantle – Hayden Young
Pick 10 – Carlton – Caleb Serong
Pick 11 – Melbourne – Kysaiah Pickett
Pick 12 – Fremantle (matching Hawthorn's bid) – Liam Henry
Pick 13 – Hawthorn – Will Day
Pick 14 – Port Adelaide – Miles Bergman
Pick 15 – Western Bulldogs – Cody Weightman
Pick 16 – Geelong – Brodie Kemp
Pick 17 – Gold Coast – Deven Robertson
Pick 18 – Port Adelaide – Josh Worrell
Pick 19 – Geelong – Sam De Koning
Pick 20 – Port Adelaide – Trent Bianco
Pick 21 – Hawthorn (matching Richmond's bid) – Finn Maginness
PICK 22: RICHMOND – COOPER STEPHENS
Clubs: Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
Position: Inside Midfielder
Size: 188cm, 83kg
Bio: We always see players who suffer season-ending injuries in their draft year bounce back at AFL level to prove doubters wrong. Stephens might just do that. A broken leg ended his season after just three NAB League appearances for the Geelong Falcons, meaning he didn’t take part in the Under 18 Championships. But the midfielder showed his wares when he did play, averaging 26 disposals and 4.0 clearances. His 60 per cent contested possession percentage to start the year shows you the exact type of midfielder he is. He was impressive at the draft combine, showing off his strong endurance base.
In the mix: Without a pressing need, Richmond seems likely to take the best available. Stephens has long been linked to the Tigers, while Hugo Ralphsmith and Jay Rantall are others who have been floated. Richmond is among those clubs attempting to flick its 2020 first-round selection into the top 25 of this year’s draft.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-phantom-draft-2019-afl-draft-2019-afl-mock-draft-matt-balmer-phantom-draft-fox-footy/news-story/9c58ba34cde9b396d9fb9d8ce400aa40
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Listening to Matt Clarke just now we are keen to move up the draft order in either the first round or third round.
I would say our first pick next year is on the table for sure.
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Be happy with Rivers or Stephens - hope we get another pick high enough to get De Koning as well (or put a contract out on the Purple Parrot if we don't >:() :shh
Few Phantom drafts (yeah whatever) have us taking Ben Kelly with a rookie pick - which would be the steal of all steals... :shh :shh
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Richmond’s National Recruiting Manager Matthew Clarke's overview of what he expects from the 2019 AFL Draft to be held at Marvel Stadium on Wednesday and Thursday.
What are your thoughts on the talent available in this year’s draft crop?
"We think it’s a pretty even group and there’s some players at the top end that are really talented. Just beyond that, there’s a really even group there, so we’re pretty comfortable where we’re selecting that there’ll be a good player or two that will come in to bolster our list both on and off the field."
Do you expect a quality player to still be available at pick 19?
"We do, we’ve got a number of players that are rated around that pick. We may be able to move that pick, obviously with the new rules you can trade on the night and before the second night starts as well. We’ll look to see what happens on the night but it’s pretty fluid at the moment."
Will you looking to select the best player available or do you have specific needs in mind?
"We definitely have specific traits in mind…We’ll have a look at the draft and see what’s there on the night. It’s really hard to tell what might fall through, so there might be some players that we rate there which will get through to our pick, and there might be some other ones taken a bit earlier, so we’ll have a look at it on the night."
Do you expect to fill most of Richmond's available spots at the draft?
"We’ve got some spots available... (We have) our first pick and then we’ve got three picks in the late thirties into the fourties and another pick in the fifties. So, we’ll probably fill most of those spots on the night."
Do you think the strategies of clubs such as Geelong and Port Adelaide, who have multiple picks before our first pick, will have an impact on the type of player still available when it is our turn to select?
"Definitely, there are clubs that have got multiple picks (before Richmond in the first round), Geelong, Port Adelaide, Melbourne, Fremantle, and Gold Coast with the first two. They may not necessarily pick what they rate as the best player, they might be looking at combination of types of players. It just depends on what we would like at our pick. But there’s a chance there’ll be some good players that we rate a bit earlier fall through to us as well. It’s pretty fluid on the night, we’ll wait and see what gets through, but we’re pretty confident there’ll be a good player there for us."
Across the second and third rounds, we have three selections in four picks. I can imagine that gives you great flexibility from a pool of players to select from over those three picks, but also the potential of packaging them to other clubs?
"That is a possibility. We think the group is very even around those picks as well. So, we’re pretty confident there’ll be a couple of players there that we like. But there's also a chance on the night, and on Thursday night as well, that we might be able to move those picks and get a bit higher in the draft, but we’ll have to wait and see."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-11-27/tigers-draft-preview
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Am I allowed to say that with it going over 2 days I'm not really interested
Outside of Gil and SHocking's obsession with Americanising the game why is it over 2 days :banghead
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Am I allowed to say that with it going over 2 days I'm not really interested
Outside of Gil and SHocking's obsession with Americanising the game why is it over 2 days :banghead
I think it's stupid too and I'm not overly interested either, mainly because we won the flag and we're not after a kid to pin our hopes on.
The NFL draft goes for a few nights IIRC but that is because they have hundreds of picks.
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2 day draft is utter seppo bollocks. Only good thing now is that they at least do the PSD & rookie drafts the day after instead of a fortnight later or whatever it used to be... :shh
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It's all about filling the news cycle during the off-season. Two primetime nights gives the AFL two days of maximum attention.
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Yeah 2 days is utter crap and pointless.
Bit of a snooze fest.
Good for the footy noobs to get their head on camera.
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Matt Balmer (foxsports) on SEN said he doesn't expect any late bolters tonight. The top 20 names mentioned in the media over the last few days should be the top 20 in the actual draft.
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When does the actual draft start? I've just watched the first 30 mins and I'm about to give up. ☕
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When does the actual draft start? I've just watched the first 30 mins and I'm about to give up. ☕
7pm (about to start now).
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When does the actual draft start? I've just watched the first 30 mins and I'm about to give up. ☕
7pm (about to start now).
As always, love your work.
thanks
65
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You're welcome ;D.
Here we go and no surprise who goes No.1.
1. GC - Matt Rowell
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2. GC - Noah Anderson
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I wonder if the Dees will pull out a surprise and bid for Green at 3 just to throw out GWS.
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The foxtel coverage is a joke. The more they tamper with things the more Shocking f’s them up. As exciting as watching paint dry
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3. Melb - Luke Jackson.
Going as expected so far.
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Massive risk taking an 18 year old ruckman at pick 3. I would've thought also the Dees need a key forward moreso than another ruck.
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Jackson looks just like Vickery when he was drafted. LOL Tankers
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4. GWS - Lachlan Ash
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5. Sydney - Dylan Stephens
First surprise of the night.
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6. Adel - Fischer McAsey
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7. Freo - Hayden Young
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8. Freo - Caleb Serong
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Carlton have bid on Henry and Freo have matched it.
9. Freo - Liam Henry (Academy)
We move down one to 20.
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Carlton have bid on Green and GWS have matched it.
10. GWS - Tom Green (Academy).
We move down to 21.
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Live trade:
Gold Coast receive 11 & 62
Carlton receive 17 & 22
11. GC - Sam Flanders
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All Gold Coast do is accumulate draft picks.
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Good trade for Carlton.
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12. Melb - Kysaiah Pickett
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13. Haw - Will Day
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14. Port - Miles Bergman
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15. WB - Cody Weightman
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16. Geel - Cooper Stephens.
They got one of the ones we apparently wanted.
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There goes Cooper Stephens
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Looks like Michael J Fox
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C'mon Gould. He's the one now.
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17. Carl - Brodie Kemp
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Was Listening to it on SEN driving home, what a snooze fest it appears
Nearly 90 minutes and 17 picks
What a joke
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All Gold Coast do is accumulate draft picks.
They traded away their priority pick which shouldn't be allowed. The AFL gives them another freebie pick in the top 20 and then they trade two of them to move up 6 spots and have one less pick.
Carlton get Kemp anyway at 17 and again another good pick. The Suns are the gift that keeps on giving to opposition clubs.
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18. Port - Mitch Georgiades
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19. Geel - Sam De Koning
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One away from our pick.
Robertson, Bianco, Worrell, Rivers, Rantall, Gould still on the board.
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SOS and the blue flogs love the live trades!!
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You'd think it would be Worrall or Robertson.
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Live trade:
Carlton receive pick 20
Port receive picks 22 & 55.
20. Carl - Sam Philp
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Who??
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Who??
Inside mid from the Northern Knights. Expected to go more late 2nd/early 3rd. So Carlton have reached.
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You'd think it would be Worrall or Robertson.
Robertson's leadership qualities would be attractive to us.
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Wow. Wasn't expecting that. Definitely none of the media said we'd be taking Dow.
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Gilligan didn't congratulate us on the flag..... :shh
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Interesting we skipped Robertson.
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Interesting we skipped Robertson.
Of course not we flogged his team
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Hmm Robertson surely a better selection.
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Of those left I would've gone Rivers, Stephenson, Worrell, Bianco & even Fatty Gould all before Dow... :shh
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Maybe next year's 1st & 39 for a pick around 25 to get an extra here?
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There's a few good un's still on the board that likely won't last to our next pick so hopefully we have something up our sleeve... :shh
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Our brains trust:
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2019/11/27/724955.jpg)
https://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202019%20Media%20-%20NAB%20AFL%20Draft&image_id=724891
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Our brains trust:
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2019/11/27/724955.jpg)
https://www.aflphotos.com.au/galleries/results/?q=collection:AFL%202019%20Media%20-%20NAB%20AFL%20Draft&image_id=724891
Fake news. No way their are any left over Pies and Sausage Rolls with Balmey in the room
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Our remaining picks are now 40, 41, 42 & 54.
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Maybe we had a few ahead of him ,but I back our footy department and Clark 2 flags in 3 years and recruiting been excellent.
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The Tigers have four more list spots open and will draft either three or four players tonight.
Source: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-says-pick-21-thomson-dow-should-dream-of-round-1-debut-against-brother-paddy/news-story/85954b615328291dd672d3dd0d32be99 (http://)
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Well given that 54 has a point value then we should trade up if we're planning on only taking 3!
Lots of good players left.
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54 doesn't have much value unfortunately. don't know why anyone would trade for our picks. the way its worked out yesterday this is a draft where having a couple of picks in the 20s would have been great. Bianco, Sharp and Taylor on the board but unfortunately we are a long way back.
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^ exactly.
A pick or two down in the 40's ain't bad but it would have been nice to upgrade one. Shame AFL F'd us on compo!
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How many rookies can we take ?.
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The seven names who could prove to be draft bargains on day two
November 28, 2019
Josh Gabelich
FOX SPORTS
Deven Robertson
Josh Worrell
Trent Bianco
Will Gould
Harry Schoenberg
Elijah Taylor
Jeremy Sharp
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-seven-names-who-could-prove-to-be-draft-bargains-on-day-two-of-the-2019-afl-draft/news-story/5843327b6cfba1a1204dd002c2f3356b
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Round 2 draft scenarios
There is expected to be a total of approximately 65 total selections in the national draft.
Port Adelaide holds the opening selection of the second evening and Dylan Williams is among the players in its sights at No.22.
However, it remains to be seen whether the Power will take the pick into the night, with clubs to have a mini-trade period from 4pm-6pm AEDT before the draft to sort any possible pick swaps.
Clubs expect those with early picks on Thursday – including Port (No.22), Brisbane (No.23), Adelaide (No.24 and 25) and the Cats (No.26) – to be peppered with phone calls throughout the day with trade offers from clubs keen to push up the order.
Port would likely be able to move back some spots down the order to grab Williams, with Geelong (No.26) believed to also have some interest in the talented medium forward.
Brisbane is considered to be strong fans of Deven Roberton. It is understood Adelaide will also seriously look at Robertson very close with its back-to-back selections
Geelong could consider the midfielder at No.26, Melbourne would likely swoop at No.30, while it will be interesting to see if Essendon (with picks No.33 and 35) can jump up the board to consider the West Australian. The Bombers are targeting inside midfielders.
Midfield pair Jay Rantall and Harry Schoenberg are likely to be in the next batch of players picked, with Adelaide to consider the pair, while North Melbourne and Sydney will look at Schoenberg.
Jones is also a chance to end up at the Crows, who will look at Will Gould with their pair of picks. The Roos, who hold selections No.28, 29 and 32, are also in the mix for Gould, with the strong-bodied half-back flanker an important player in Glenelg's senior SANFL premiership this season.
Elijah Taylor has been linked to Sydney with one of its picks (either No.27 or 34), while Trent Rivers, Hugo Ralphsmith and Charlie Comben are among the other prospects who could find an AFL home early on night two of the draft.
A bid will also be expected to come early in proceedings on Hawthorn father-son midfielder Finn Maginness. The Hawks will match the call, but it may be left to one of the Roos' triple picks to nominate Maginness, who some clubs view as a top-15 talent.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-28/who-gets-him-exciting-goalkicker-looms-as-shock-early-call-on-drafts-second-night
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All those guys will be gone before our picks come up tonight.
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With us heavily linked to Murray and only 4 list spots left after taking Dow, wouldn't be surprised if we only took two or three more depending on what our plans are re: the rookie draft ... :shh
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Foxsports' latest phantom draft has us only using our three successive picks in the 40s and taking Taheny, Williams and Garcia.
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AFL phantom draft: How the remaining picks should play out — and there are several hidden gems
November 28, 2019 1:01pm
Matt Balmer
FOX SPORTS
22. Port - Josh Worrell
23. Bris - Will Gould
24. Adel - Harrison Jones
25. Adel - Harry Schoenberg
26. Haw - Finn Maginness (matching Geelong's bid)
27. Geel - Deven Robertson
28. Syd - Elijah Taylor
29. Port - Jackson Mead (matching North's bid)
30. North - Trent Bianco
31. North - Jeremy Sharp
32. Melb - Hugo Ralphsmith
33. Bris - Jay Rantall
34. North - Trent Rivers
35. Ess - Charlie Comben
36. Syd - Flynn Perez
37. Ess - Fraser Phillips
38. Bris - Brock Smith
39. Coll - Jake Riccardi
40. Geel - Darcy Cassar
41. Adel - Jack Mahony
PICK 42: RICHMOND – CAMERON TAHENY
Clubs: Norwood/South Australia
Position: General Forward
Size: 185cm, 80kg
Bio: Taheny is one of the harder players to place in terms of ranking after an up and down 2019 campaign. He could do as early as the second round, but may find a home in the latter stages of the draft on night two. The 18-year-old has plenty of upside, despite a few injury setbacks. His performance in the SANFL Reserves Grand Final for Norwood will stick in recruiters mind, with the left footer impressing at the start of the year in the SANFL League competition. It certainly hasn’t been a complete season by the medium forward, but he has some traits that will appeal to AFL clubs.
PICK 43: RICHMOND – DYLAN WILLIAMS
Clubs: Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
Position: General Forward
Size: 186cm, 81kg
Bio: Williams begun the season as a potential No. 1 pick, but struggled for consistency as injuries curtailed his year. If there’s a player who could be a bargain for a club down the track, Williams is that player if he can grow in an AFL environment. His craft and smarts around goal make him extremely damaging as he turns onto his left foot going forward. He has shown some ability as a key defender, while also winning the clearances in the midfield for the Chargers. He is one of the great unknowns, but with plenty of X-factor, he might just become one of the better players out of this draft pool if he can improve some deficiencies.
PICK 44: RICHMOND – RILEY GARCIA
Clubs: Swan Districts/Western Australia
Position: Outside Midfielder
Size: 177cm, 70kg
45. Carl - Ned Cahill
46. Syd - Ben Johnson
47. Adel - Mitch O'Neill
48. WCE - Sam Ramsay
49. North - Dyson Hilder
50. Coll - Cooper Sharman
51. StK - Nick Bryan
52. WB - Daniel Mott
53. Haw - Karl Finlay
PICK 54: RICHMOND – PASS
55. Coll - Jake Pasini
56. Ess - Henry Crauford
59. GC - Emerson Jeka
60. Bris - Keidean Coleman
63. Freo - Josh Shute
64. StK - Darcy Chirgwin
67. WB - Josh Morris
68. WCE - Oscar Lewis
69. GWS - Angus Baker
76. GWS - Callum Jamieson
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-mock-draft-2019-afl-draft-2019-afl-phantom-draft-josh-worrell-deven-robertson-matt-balmer/news-story/78333a6e5a5a8b4587b434857c94dbaa
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Just missing out on the last of the top talent... :shh
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How many rookies can we take ?.
We've currently got 34 senior listed players, five category A rookies (Aarts, Stack, Baker, Pickett & Chol) plus one category B rookie (DES).
If we use 3 picks in the ND tonight then that will make it 37 + 5 + 1. You're allowed six cat. A rookies so I presume we'll only select one more rookie at the most. We may hold off altogether and leave a spot on both our senior and rookie lists free for any future supplementary or midseason draft rookies plus any promotions to the senior list.
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Is Matt Balmer a North supporter? That draft looks very favourable to the Roos with them getting Bianco, Sharp, Rivers & Hilder.
Just missing out on the last of the top talent... :shh
I'm guessing we'll be looking to push up the draft order into the early 30s at least by offering our 2020 first rounder. Might even throw in pick 44 (which would become redundant) for another club's 2020 third rounder to build up points for MR jnr and our NGA kids.
If we wanted Rivers say (if the draft tonight went exactly as above) then offer the above to North for their pick 34.
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Round 2 starts in 5 minutes.
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22. Bris - Deven Robertson
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23. Port - Dylan Williams
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Live trade
Collingwood receive pick 43
Hawthorn receive future 3rd round pick.
24. Adel - Harry Schoenberg
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@FOXFOOTY 13s
There has been a trade.
@Adelaide_FC has gained Pick 27 and a future third-round pick.
The @sydneyswans have gained Pick 25 and a future fourth-round pick.
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Sydney make a bid on Jackson Mead. Port match it.
25. Port Adelaide - Jackson Mead (F/S).
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26. Sydney - Will Gould
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Live trade
Gold Coast receive pick 27
Geelong receive pick 64 and the Suns' 2020 mid-first round compensation pick.
27. GC - Jeremy Sharp
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28. Adel - Josh Worrell
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Can't see us trading up now. Looks like it's 41,42,43
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North bid for Maginness. Hawks match the bid.
29. Hawthorn - Finn Maginness (F/S).
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Live pick swap between North & Ess.
Essendon Receive
Picks 30 & 50
Nth Melbourne Receive
Picks 35 & 2020 2nd Rd
30. Ess - Harrison Jones
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31. North - Charlie Comben
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Bombers planning for Daniher's exit next year if they are moving up the draft to pick a marking forward :yep.
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32. Melb - Trent Rivers
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33. Bris - Brock Smith
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34. North - Jack Mahony
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Bianco, Rantall, Ralphsmith, Taylor still on the board.
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35. North - Flynn Perez.
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36. Syd - Elijah Taylor
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Essendon has made a bid for Brisbane's NGA Keidean Coleman.
The Lions had the next pick so Dodoro being a smartalec again to screw another club ::).
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I thought the clock was meant to keep ticking even while the club with the next pick is discussing pick swaps?
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The Lions match Essendon's bid.
37. Bris - Keidean Coleman (NGA)
Good for us as it wastes Brisbane's pick 38.
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38. Ess - Nick Bryan
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39. Syd - Chad Warner
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Bianco, Rantall & Ralphsmith still on the board.
We're only a couple of picks away. So it's going to be close.
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40. Coll - Jay Rantall
There's one we were interested in.
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We're after Geelong & Adelaide.
Bianco & Ralphsmith still on board.
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So. Who we getting.
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So. Who we getting.
It's been mentioned for a while in the media that we've been interested in Ralphsmith around this point in the draft. Rantall & Rivers were the other two but they've been taken.
Bianco was expected to go in the 20s.
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41. Geel - Francis Evans
Shifter Sheehan goes "wow!" live on air.
42. Adel - Ronin O'Connor
We're up next.
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Grab Bianco if for anything to pee the pies off
Would like to see us trade him with the pies or just grab him
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John M
@Disco_JMo
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So it’s come to light today that Tiges were Into Sam Philp & that’s why we jumped the queue from 22 to 20 to pick him. Those who said he’d have prob been around at 43 were wrong Bet they think differently now knowing the reigning Prems were into the kid
https://twitter.com/Disco_JMo/status/1199982314073157632
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WTF are they doing they have had the hole night to get ready for this
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We've made a bid on a Brisbane's NGA player, Noah Cumberland.
They didn't match the bid, so he's ours.
43. Noah Cumberland.
Onto our next pick.
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Geez his highlights are good. Great leg on him.
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We're trolling Brisbane :laugh:.
Another bid on another Brisbane NGA player, William Martyn.
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Brisbane didn't match the bid again.
44. Rich - William Martyn
We've then swapped pick with the Pies.
Richmond Receive
Picks 46 & 2020 2nd Rd
Collingwood Receive
Picks 45 & 2020 2nd Rd
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His highlights unreal also. Think Nick Del Santo
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45. Coll - Trent Bianco
Clearly we weren't interested in Bianco. We just gave him to the Pies.
We're up next at 46.
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46. Rich - Hugo Ralphsmith
47. Carl - Sam Ramsay
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any links for the highlights
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48. Adel - Lachlan Gollant
49. WCE - Callum Jamieson
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50. Geel - Cameron Taheny
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51. GWS - Jake Riccardi
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52. St Kilda - Ryan Byrnes
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53. Dogs - Louis Butler
I think we're expected to pass on our last pick.
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Okay maybe not lol.
Our 3rd bid for the night.
Bid made on St Kilda NGA prospect Bigoa Nyuon.
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Saints pass. So he's ours.
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That's us done for the night.
55. Coll - Trey Ruscoe
55. Ess - Ned Cahill
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People watching Fox Footy...ignore Shifter..... massively overrates every kid he sees..... :shh
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Live trade
West Coast Receive Pick 58
Essendon Receive Pick 2020 4th Rd
57. Haw - Josh Morris
58. WCE - Ben Johnson
59. Bris - Jaxon Prior
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60. GC - Jy Farrar
61. Freo - Minairo Frederick
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No love for Hilder or Cassar yet.... :shh
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Live trade
Western Bulldogs Receive Pick 62
Hawthorn Receive Pick 2020 4th Rd
62. Dogs - Riley Garcia
63. Ess - Lachlan Johnson
Freo pass at 64.
Port pass too.
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64. St.K - Leo Connolly
Dogs pass at 65.
Eagles pass as well.
65. GWS - Tom Hutchesson
Dees, Hawks & Eagles pass at 66.
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The rest of the clubs are passing.
That's all folks!
The Rookie Draft is tomorrow.
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I know you can get carried away with highlight videos but I've got to say all draftees look to have something a bit special about them.
I'm pretty happy with our selections.
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I think we have drafted to a plan. Each draftee has speed, agility & endurance. Just waiting for the interchange numbers to be reduced because we are ready for it! ;D
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AFL Pre-season Draft and the Rookie Draft from 10AM AEDT.
We have pick 18.
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Afl draft central very happy with.our coup.
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PSD:
Carlton - Jack Martin
Hawthorn - Michael Hartley
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Rookie draft:
Looks like we are passing. We're not on the draft tracker.
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Rookie draft - Round 1
1
Gold Coast Suns
Joshua Schoenfeld
2
Melbourne
Passed
3
Carlton
Josh Honey
4
Sydney Swans
Brady Rowles
5
St Kilda
Jack Bell
6
Fremantle
Jarvis Pina
7
Adelaide
Ben Keays
8
Port Adelaide
Jake Pasini
9
Hawthorn
Emerson Jeka
10
Essendon
Mitchell Hibberd
11
West Coast Eagles
Anthony Treacy
12
Brisbane Lions
Samuel Skinner
13
Collingwood
Passed
14
Geelong Cats
Bradley Close
15
GWS Giants
Jake Stein
https://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-tracker
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so NO rookies this year?
Do we still have rookies on our list?
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AFL Pre-season Draft and the Rookie Draft from 10AM AEDT.
We have pick 18.
not according to the draft tracker, we have no picks
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Rookie draft - Round 2
16
Gold Coast Suns
Connor Budarick
17
Melbourne
Passed
18
Carlton
Fraser Phillips
19
Sydney Swans
Jack Maibaum
20
Fremantle
Thomas North
21
Adelaide
Ben Crocker
22
Port Adelaide
Trent Burgoyne
23
Hawthorn
Passed
24
Essendon
Passed
25
West Coast Eagles
Mitch O'Neill
26
Brisbane Lions
Corey Lyons
27
Geelong Cats
Oscar Brownless
28
GWS Giants
Thomas Sheridan
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AFL Pre-season Draft and the Rookie Draft from 10AM AEDT.
We have pick 18.
not according to the draft tracker, we have no picks
Yep. That's what I later said here ;):
Rookie draft:
Looks like we are passing. We're not on the draft tracker.
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Rookie draft - Round 3
29
Gold Coast Suns
Matt Conroy
30
Fremantle
Hugh Dixon
31
Adelaide
Passed
32
Port Adelaide
Boyd Woodcock
33
West Coast Eagles
Brendon Ah Chee
34
Brisbane Lions
Archie Smith
35
Geelong Cats
Lachlan Henderson
36
GWS Giants
Zachary Sproule
Round 4
37
Gold Coast Suns
Malcolm Rosas
38
Port Adelaide
Riley Grundy
39
West Coast Eagles
Hamish Brayshaw
40
GWS Giants
Passed
Round 5
41
Gold Coast Suns
Passed
42
West Coast Eagles
Passed
https://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-tracker
That's all folks!
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so NO rookies this year?
Do we still have rookies on our list?
Yes we do have 5 + 1 Cat B
Baker,Stack,Pickett,Chol,Aarts on Rookie list & Dekka Smith as CatB
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So no pick left to invite someone over summer like Stack situation.
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So no pick left to invite someone over summer like Stack situation.
Counting Pickett, we've bought in 5 players so far and lost 7 (Grigg, Butler, Ellis, Weller, Menadue, Moore & Townsend) my guess is that we'll give an invite to Sam Murray and leave at least one spot open for next year's mid-season draft... :shh
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Counting Pickett we've brought in 6 players as we drafted 5 kids.
With 5 Category A rookies we're allowed one more (max 6).
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heh...two typos completely stuffed my post there... :shh
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Counting Pickett we've brought in 6 players as we drafted 5 kids.
With 5 Category A rookies we're allowed one more (max 6).
Or we can add one more top the main list
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Why didn't we get a rookie draft pick? We weren't listed as passing, so I assume we just didn't get a pick. Are our rookie spots filled?
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Surprised no-one picked up Darcy Cassar & Ben Kelly...thought Sam Lowson would've at least got a rookie gig somewhere considering how many clubs wanted him in the MSD before his injury ...would invite any of them to train before that cokehead from Collingwood...:shh
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Esp Ben Kelly with his size and speed youd think someone would take a punt on him.
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Kelly sounds like a good project wouldn't mind even Darcy Hilder.
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Bloke on BF seems to think we have no spots left because Eggmolese-Smith was upgraded from a Catergory B rookie to a Catergory A rookie? Is this right?
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First round draft twists
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
5 Dec 2019
...
Thomson Dow was next, as Richmond grabbed the speedy midfielder at No.21 to close out the first round. The Tigers liked his pace and his quick hands reminded them of dual premiership star Shane Edwards, who spent draft night in the Richmond recruiting box after working with their scouting team at different stages during the year.
The Tigers got excited as Kemp started to drift down the order, but Carlton extinguished that hope.
During all of the first-round drama, Deven Robertson remained on the draft shelf. The Larke medallist and gun West Australian midfielder had been considered for the Blues' Philp spot, and at Richmond's choice, while Geelong had also discussed him on the night.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-12-05/inside-the-drafts-first-round-twists-turns-bluffs-and-the-big-calls
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I'd like to thank whoever told the club that I've sent PMs with information about the draft. They have contacted me and despite me thinking I was being discreet, they have decided to review my membership for next year. They will also most likely never present such information to members again.
I will not be posting on this website again.
I wish you all the best for the future.
Only just seen this.
Doc, we have had our differences over the journey but I hope you reconsider your decision not to post again.
We're all passionate Tiger men and women, maybe even transgenders, just to be inclusive :shh For someone to dog a loyal Tiger man like this is just sickening. No other word for it. Sickening.
To the person who did it, I know who you are I think.... :shh :shh And you have much to answer for........ :shh :shh :shh
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I'd like to thank whoever told the club that I've sent PMs with information about the draft. They have contacted me and despite me thinking I was being discreet, they have decided to review my membership for next year. They will also most likely never present such information to members again.
I will not be posting on this website again.
I wish you all the best for the future.
Only just seen this.
Doc, we have had our differences over the journey but I hope you reconsider your decision not to post again.
We're all passionate Tiger men and women, maybe even transgenders, just to be inclusive :shh For someone to dog a loyal Tiger man like this is just sickening. No other word for it. Sickening.
To the person who did it, I know who you are I think.... :shh :shh And you have much to answer for........ :shh :shh :shh
same, first time im reading this rubbish. Who The F was it?????????
seriously thats pathetic. DOC provided good info and almost every time was spot on, and someone feels they should lag him in. stuff me what a stuffed up society we live in
Man up whoever it was. Mods was it you??
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Man up whoever it was. Mods was it you??
NO >:(
Pathetic to be even asked
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As I said had to be someone who knows YBB in IRL and knows his real name... probably a coterie member...they are known for their petty politics... :shh
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As I said had to be someone who knows YBB in IRL and knows his real name... probably a coterie member...they are known for their petty politics... :shh
:shh :shh
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Man up whoever it was. Mods was it you??
NO >:(
Pathetic to be even asked
You guys with your legal threats, i thought it was a fair question. Apologies if that offends but i standby my question
so who is coterie here? :shh :shh
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I’m not
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I wish i was coterie lol. It doesnt matter now. Doc has moved on and we are worse off for it as a forum because doc always had good info. I just hope he is still part of the coterie and wasnt kicked out.
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It is a pathetic questioning of the mods' integrity to think it was us ::). Why would we dob in our own forum to any outsider when we administer and moderate it?! :huh :huh3
1) For the record, no one from the Club contacted OER at the time or has since about this. All we know is from what YaBB last posted. So we know nothing more than what you guys do.
2) I'd doubt it was any OER member/regular who dobbed.
3) The forum is viewable by anyone. It's not restricted to just OER members. Guests can read what is posted.
4) It's a reminder that the Club does keep an eye on these Tiger forums.
5) While "legal threats" weren't an issue here, it does further illustrate why we do take any legal risk seriously. You never know who is viewing the forum.
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Just a general question about the legals... has the club ever threatened legal action against OER or a forum member?
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Just a general question about the legals... has the club ever threatened legal action against OER or a forum member?
No, thankfully.
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Thats great because it would be Shameful if they had.
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did Petrocelli ever finish his house?
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I can almost hear Dennis Commetti making an obscure reference to the movie Vanishing Point during West Coast matches had he still been commentating... :shh
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Can one of the coteries enlighten us as to the general morale of the group in light of this ?
taztiger? who else is a coterie...?
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Can one of the coteries enlighten us as to the general morale of the group in light of this ?
taztiger? who else is a coterie...?
Yet again you are making assumptions about posters; which I suggest that unless you have some sort of proof about a posters membership status you steer clear of categorising and by extension pot stirring and baiting >:(
And just so you are clear:
The Club only has 3 coteries now. Richmond Executive, Legends and Jack Club
3121 & Club XII are not coteries, they are "Premium Membership" categories
There is a massive difference.
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But how would I know that, WP? You know I'm not part of that scene, therefore not privy to changes to the coterie membership setup.
I was going off the history of those who have said they were coterie/3121 etc in the past. I thought 3121 or whatever was a coterie group where they received some 'inside' information from time to time. It's still a far more elite package than what the rest of us pathetic general members are on.
No baiting or stirring, just genuinely curious as to the feel of the group about a good blokes membership being under review due to someone dobbing him in
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But how would I know that, WP? You know I'm not part of that scene, therefore not privy to changes to the coterie membership setup.
I was going off the history of those who have said they were coterie/3121 etc in the past. I thought 3121 or whatever was a coterie group where they received some 'inside' information from time to time. It's still a far more elite package than what the rest of us pathetic general members are on.
No baiting or stirring, just genuinely curious as to the feel of the group about a good blokes membership being under review due to someone dobbing him in
Read the membership website it clearly shows that 3121 and Cub XII are premium membership and not coteries
You seem to think these members get together on some sort of regular basis?
I was Inner Sanctum that was the coterie down from RE. When it changed to Club XI now Club XII it stopped being a coterie. The changes were significant
I am still in Club XII and outside of game day and the odd extra function we get I never see the majority of my fellow Club XII members.
On top of that Club XII have nothing to do with RE, 3121 or any other coterie group on match day. All functions outside of game day are all very separate
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I'll ask again - 6 players left during the off-season & only 5 came in via the draft -so do we still have a list spot left? Did DE-S get upgraded from cat B to cat A and take the final spot? :huh
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I'll ask again - 6 players left during the off-season & only 5 came in via the draft -so do we still have a list spot left? Did DE-S get upgraded from cat B to cat A and take the final spot? :huh
Matty Clarke said our list is full, unless we have a LTI
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So I guess DE-S was upgraded from cat B to cat A then, because that's the only way I can see it being full now unless I'm missing something/someone?
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we currently have
38 on main
6 rookies inc DES
Think you may be correct about DES now being Cat A
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DES is still a Category B rookie I believe.
https://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2020/richmond
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Then we should still have a free spot if that's the case...I counted that as 38 & 5 rookies excluding DE-S, so it's either that or they just haven't updated it yet... :huh
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For 2017, we started with 40 senior listed players, 4 Cat. A rookies and Soldo as our Cat. B rookie (40-4-1). Yarran getting the flick early on meant we actually had 39-4-1.
For 2018, we started 40-4-1 with DES as our Cat. B rookie. In reality, we had 38-4-1 as Griffiths and Hampson didn't play and retired early.
For 2019, we started with 38-4-1 post the drafts. It then increased to 38-6-1 with the inclusion of Weller & Stack via the PSS. When Grigg retired it became 37-7-1 with the inclusion of Pickett via the mid-season draft.
For the upcoming 2020, we've filled up our senior list to 38 again. So our current list make-up is 38-5-1 and it's one less in terms of total players than in previous years.
Perhaps it's a TPP issue then? We just don't have the room on our books this year for a sixth Cat. A rookie. DES as a Cat. B rookie isn't included in our salary cap IIRC.
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Clubs have until March to add another player in the supplemental selection period which Richmond used to recruit excitement machine Sydney Stack.
John Worsfold’s men have another spot after putting new draftee Lachie Johnson, the son of Brisbane Lions’ great Chris Johnson, on the inactive list.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/essendon-will-assess-injuryhit-squad-before-making-decision-on-adding-state-league-player-next-season/news-story/869bfe6edf8f3b897b80ffb4cd93c743
No mention of us again adding any more players.
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Collingwood, Hawthorn, GWS, Melbourne, Essendon and West Coast all have open spots on their list going into 2020.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/12/17/who-is-your-club-eyeing-with-its-vacant-list-spots/
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The AFL videos of Melbourne's recruiters working through the draft are pretty cool. Interestingly, they thought Ralphsmith would be taken around 30.
Would love to see the Richmond room.
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There was a big deal made of our bidding during this year's draft but it's nothing new. We're the biggest bidders in the AFL.
THE BIG BIDDERS – YOUR CLUB'S BIDDING HISTORY
Richmond: 8 bids (4 successful)
Matthew Kennedy (Pick 13, 2015)
Eric Hipwood (Pick 14, 2015)
Bailey Rice (Pick 49, 2015)
Ryan Garthwaite (Pick 72, 2016)
Connor McFadyen (Pick 42, 2018)
Noah Cumberland (Pick 43, 2019)
William Martyn (Pick 44, 2019)
Bigoa Nyuon (Pick 54, 2019)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/364856/the-bidmond-tigers-how-many-draft-bids-has-your-club-made-