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Title: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: one-eyed on September 07, 2019, 11:01:16 PM
Looks like we got through unscathed. Hopefully Rioli is okay. He got his ankle strapped up and came back on.

Fire away with your changes, if any?
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 07, 2019, 11:04:34 PM
See how the next fortnight plays out with the vfl boys playing next week.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Loui Tufga on September 07, 2019, 11:10:15 PM
Ellis - for anyone willing to put there body on the line or at least lay a tackle.....
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 07, 2019, 11:11:03 PM
Out: “Snugglers”Ellis

In: Stack or Pickett
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Diocletian on September 07, 2019, 11:25:55 PM
See how the next fortnight plays out with the vfl boys playing next week.

Yes - to decide who replaces Short & BEllis... :shh






Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Andyy on September 08, 2019, 12:28:39 AM
Out:
Ellis
Short

In:
Stack if fit, elsewise KMac
Pickett
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 08, 2019, 07:44:02 AM
Just get BEllis out of there ASAP

We got bad BEllis last night, bad, bad
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: wayne on September 08, 2019, 08:02:59 AM
Robinson got in Ellis's head at the first bounce
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: eliminator on September 08, 2019, 08:13:30 AM
Ellis was atrocious and needs to be dropped.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: camboon on September 08, 2019, 01:35:52 PM
He won't be,

But out Ellis in Mac

Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Willy on September 08, 2019, 01:48:26 PM
Short was good last night. Won’t be dropped.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Rampsation on September 08, 2019, 01:50:02 PM
Any chance for Stack to get back in?
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: one-eyed on September 08, 2019, 02:30:59 PM
Any chance for Stack to get back in?
Syd thinks so  ;D.

------------------------------------------------------

Sydney Stack remains a chance to return from injury and play in Richmond's preliminary final after the Tigers got out of jail from a Brisbane onslaught at the Gabba.

Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said the Tigers were better placed this year going into the preliminary final than this time last year.

"We had a couple of injury concerns [last year]. At this stage it seems fine. We've got a couple of players that obviously we'd love to have there, Alex isn't playing, we've got Sydney Stack, who's moving pretty well and a young kid sitting in a hospital bed [Jack Higgins] who we wish all the very best to.

"Yeah, [Stack's] a chance. Indigenous blood, very quick healing, he keeps telling me every time! He's going really well, he'll start running next week, so maybe. He looks good."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/stack-a-chance-to-play-in-tigers-prelim-20190907-p52p23.html

Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: The Machine on September 08, 2019, 07:30:14 PM
Short was good last night. Won’t be dropped.


Yes he was...very good :shh
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Chuck17 on September 08, 2019, 07:43:11 PM
He’s a ball watcher, liability in defense
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 08, 2019, 08:35:52 PM
 
He’s a ball watcher, liability in defense
:sarcasm2
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: pmac21 on September 08, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
I'd keep Short in but Ellis for one of:
Ross
Pickett

However, I think he will keep his spot as that's Dimmas way.  He does also get possessions having 17 last night. 
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Go Richo 12 on September 09, 2019, 05:31:58 PM
Jack Graham copped a week :banghead
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 09, 2019, 05:50:09 PM
Jack Graham copped a week :banghead

What are you on about, wasn’t even cited for anything???
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on September 09, 2019, 06:06:14 PM
???
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Andyy on September 09, 2019, 06:23:22 PM
Wtf?

Dangerous tackle?

Elsewise I haven't seen anything
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Go Richo 12 on September 09, 2019, 06:28:41 PM
Could be wrong sorry, folks. I was just trying to find the link on Twitter and I can’t so must be wrong.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Andyy on September 09, 2019, 06:30:22 PM
Could be wrong sorry, folks. I was just trying to find the link on Twitter and I can’t so must be wrong.

Lol.

Caused everyone a mild rage there
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Go Richo 12 on September 09, 2019, 06:57:07 PM
Could be wrong sorry, folks. I was just trying to find the link on Twitter and I can’t so must be wrong.

Lol.

Caused everyone a mild rage there
I meant it  :lol
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: one-eyed on September 10, 2019, 07:07:37 PM
Ch 7 news confirmed Rioli and Broad are fine and will be right to go for the Prelim.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: the claw on September 11, 2019, 11:16:35 AM
Ins for me Pickett, Ross, and Balta for Ellis, Short and one other possibly Baker.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 11, 2019, 11:20:05 AM
Ins for me Pickett, Ross, and Balta for Ellis, Short and one other possibly Baker.
Did you actually watch the game?????
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: the claw on September 11, 2019, 11:28:14 AM
Ins for me Pickett, Ross, and Balta for Ellis, Short and one other possibly Baker.
Did you actually watch the game?????

I sure did Queensland  i have always liked.

Did you??? :whistle
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 11, 2019, 12:40:06 PM
Ins for me Pickett, Ross, and Balta for Ellis, Short and one other possibly Baker.
Did you actually watch the game?????

I sure did Queensland  i have always liked.

Did you??? :whistle
Yes. I noticed your butter soft Grimes starring for a start.....  :whistle
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 11, 2019, 12:59:30 PM
Some things a bloke can just never live down....:shh

I love how we can win a huge final and old misery guts wants to change half the side.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on September 11, 2019, 01:31:38 PM
Some things a bloke can just never live down....:shh

I love how we can win a huge final and old misery guts wants to change half the side.

 :lol :shh
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: eliminator on September 12, 2019, 07:40:19 AM
Would drop Ellis and would bring in either McIntosh or Butler to play as the other wingman. Both have good endurance and both would be more competitive than Ellis. I realize that there are enormous risks in bringing in Butler and that he has faults but I still think he would be more competitive than Ellis.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: big tone on September 12, 2019, 08:29:46 AM
Would drop Ellis and would bring in either McIntosh or Butler to play as the other wingman. Both have good endurance and both would be more competitive than Ellis. I realize that there are enormous risks in bringing in Butler and that he has faults but I still think he would be more competitive than Ellis.
Ellis plays like a scared little boy most of the time but in fairness he runs really hard and gets a lot of footy, Butler offers less than Bellis IMO.

I hope both are at other clubs next year and both are not seen in our seniors again this year.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: the claw on September 12, 2019, 09:45:24 AM
Ins for me Pickett, Ross, and Balta for Ellis, Short and one other possibly Baker.
Did you actually watch the game?????

I sure did Queensland  i have always liked.

Did you??? :whistle
Yes. I noticed your butter soft Grimes starring for a start.....  :whistle

grimes has been great for a fair while now, and i can say that because he improved especially weakness. pretty simple really.
You really do get all twisted when your favorites cop a bit of criticism dont ya.Chill relax they all have had weaknesses worth commenting on.

As i have always stated i stand by my comments on all players because at the time imo they were relevant.
Grimes was getting rag dolled and pushed around by much smaller opponents and i wasnt the only one who talked about it.I dont apologise for calling these efforts or him  soft because of it.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: the claw on September 12, 2019, 09:47:46 AM
Some things a bloke can just never live down....:shh

I love how we can win a huge final and old misery guts wants to change half the side.
Ah the chpper and changer of all chopper and changers hows Brandon Ellis going you fool lol.

Half the side thats gold just the three weakest links two of whom are the softest players in the entire comp. Even you as insipid as you post would give a harder contest i reckon.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 12, 2019, 09:57:22 AM
Ins for me Pickett, Ross, and Balta for Ellis, Short and one other possibly Baker.
Did you actually watch the game?????

I sure did Queensland  i have always liked.

Did you??? :whistle
Yes. I noticed your butter soft Grimes starring for a start.....  :whistle


grimes has been great for a fair while now, and i can say that because he improved especially weakness. pretty simple really.
You really do get all twisted when your favorites cop a bit of criticism dont ya.Chill relax they all have had weaknesses worth commenting on.

As i have always stated i stand by my comments on all players because at the time imo they were relevant.
Grimes was getting rag dolled and pushed around by much smaller opponents and i wasnt the only one who talked about it.I dont apologise for calling these efforts or him  soft because of it.

I made that comment because you want to make changes that just aren’t justified. The side just beat another side by almost 10 goals on their own home deck interstate. Any rational poster would know that wholesale changes won’t happen. Most here agree with dropping Bellis. The others mentioned all played their role very well so they won’t be dropped. While the players you mentioned all are probably potentially better players than the ones you want replaced, they still haven’t learnt to be part of the team structure and system. The old adage of a champion team will always beat a team of champions comes to mind here. Of course, once those players learn to play their roles the team will improve again but you can’t start teaching this in a preliminary final.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Chuck17 on September 12, 2019, 11:44:33 AM
Was there another Grimes playing for us at some stage, I can't remember this other one being referred to in the past?
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: pmac21 on September 12, 2019, 11:52:53 AM
Was there another Grimes playing for us at some stage, I can't remember this other one being referred to in the past?

Jack Grimes captained Melbourne had some injuries. Retired early on, never played at RFC
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Rampsation on September 12, 2019, 11:56:08 AM
He was supposed to be the good one lol
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: one-eyed on September 12, 2019, 05:48:13 PM
On Wednesday, the players in contention to play VFL – including Dan Butler, Kamdyn McIntosh and Marlion Pickett – did not train with the rest of the senior side, with their run-through pushed to the evening with the remainder of the VFL side.

Sydney Stack (ankle) completed handball drills on the sidelines, along with Alex Rance (ACL) and Nathan Broad (light training load).

Source: AFL website.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 12, 2019, 06:56:34 PM
Some things a bloke can just never live down....:shh

I love how we can win a huge final and old misery guts wants to change half the side.
Ah the chpper and changer of all chopper and changers hows Brandon Ellis going you fool lol.

Half the side thats gold just the three weakest links two of whom are the softest players in the entire comp. Even you as insipid as you post would give a harder contest i reckon.

What have I chopped and changed on?

I never, EVER said Grimes was soft. Been a fan since day one......... :shh
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: the claw on September 13, 2019, 09:49:59 AM
Ins for me Pickett, Ross, and Balta for Ellis, Short and one other possibly Baker.
Did you actually watch the game?????

I sure did Queensland  i have always liked.

Did you??? :whistle
Yes. I noticed your butter soft Grimes starring for a start.....  :whistle


grimes has been great for a fair while now, and i can say that because he improved especially weakness. pretty simple really.
You really do get all twisted when your favorites cop a bit of criticism dont ya.Chill relax they all have had weaknesses worth commenting on.

As i have always stated i stand by my comments on all players because at the time imo they were relevant.
Grimes was getting rag dolled and pushed around by much smaller opponents and i wasnt the only one who talked about it.I dont apologise for calling these efforts or him  soft because of it.

I made that comment because you want to make changes that just aren’t justified. The side just beat another side by almost 10 goals on their own home deck interstate. Any rational poster would know that wholesale changes won’t happen. Most here agree with dropping Bellis. The others mentioned all played their role very well so they won’t be dropped. While the players you mentioned all are probably potentially better players than the ones you want replaced, they still haven’t learnt to be part of the team structure and system. The old adage of a champion team will always beat a team of champions comes to mind here. Of course, once those players learn to play their roles the team will improve again but you can’t start teaching this in a preliminary final.

What a load of tripe Ross played 7 games before injury and played damn well his bigger body is ideal for finals and he would know the sytems inside out. Balta has played 13 games and would give an undersized backline much needed size and height  as well as flexability he knows the systems inside out.

Pickett is the only player who has no experince in the ones but in 2017 we bought in blokes like Graham and Townsend to replace softies and they had little or no experince in the ones.
 Anyway what happens if we cop an injury or two, those are the players who are in contention and would likely come in.But wait they arent up to speed with how we play despite us replicating it in the two;s.

Your looking for any reason you can find to not make changes Ellis and short are total liabilities defensively and Balta coming in is a slight structural change for the better imo.

You play your best team to suit the opposition and you play blokes who will give 110% and wont flinchIts called horses for courses and actual improvement.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 13, 2019, 10:16:05 AM
Ins for me Pickett, Ross, and Balta for Ellis, Short and one other possibly Baker.
Did you actually watch the game?????

I sure did Queensland  i have always liked.

Did you??? :whistle
Yes. I noticed your butter soft Grimes starring for a start.....  :whistle


grimes has been great for a fair while now, and i can say that because he improved especially weakness. pretty simple really.
You really do get all twisted when your favorites cop a bit of criticism dont ya.Chill relax they all have had weaknesses worth commenting on.

As i have always stated i stand by my comments on all players because at the time imo they were relevant.
Grimes was getting rag dolled and pushed around by much smaller opponents and i wasnt the only one who talked about it.I dont apologise for calling these efforts or him  soft because of it.

I made that comment because you want to make changes that just aren’t justified. The side just beat another side by almost 10 goals on their own home deck interstate. Any rational poster would know that wholesale changes won’t happen. Most here agree with dropping Bellis. The others mentioned all played their role very well so they won’t be dropped. While the players you mentioned all are probably potentially better players than the ones you want replaced, they still haven’t learnt to be part of the team structure and system. The old adage of a champion team will always beat a team of champions comes to mind here. Of course, once those players learn to play their roles the team will improve again but you can’t start teaching this in a preliminary final.

What a load of tripe Ross played 7 games before injury and played damn well his bigger body is ideal for finals and he would know the sytems inside out. Balta has played 13 games and would give an undersized backline much needed size and height  as well as flexability he knows the systems inside out.

Pickett is the only player who has no experince in the ones but in 2017 we bought in blokes like Graham and Townsend to replace softies and they had little or no experince in the ones.
 Anyway what happens if we cop an injury or two, those are the players who are in contention and would likely come in.But wait they arent up to speed with how we play despite us replicating it in the two;s.

Your looking for any reason you can find to not make changes Ellis and short are total liabilities defensively and Balta coming in is a slight structural change for the better imo.

You play your best team to suit the opposition and you play blokes who will give 110% and wont flinchIts called horses for courses and actual improvement.
Rubbish.
I already said Bellis needs to go. The other players mentioned are highly unlikely to be dropped. You can rant and rave but if players play their role, despite their deficiencies, will not be dropped.  Your understanding of modern football is lacking. You post like it's still 1985. Ross or Pickett can come in for Ellis. No other changes are likely unless there are injuries. That's the reality.  Get into the real world of 2019.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 13, 2019, 12:10:13 PM
What is this guys obsession with tall players???

We have 3 defenders who are 190cm+ with vlastuin not far off. Of the teams left I don’t see anyone other than potentially the eagles giving us trouble with height although we did seem to cope well only 3 weeks ago.....

The only poor performance from the qualifying final that merits dropping would be ellis but you actually have to bring someone in who plays his position. Ross and Pickett are both inside mids, the only like for like swap I can see happening is McIntosh and he hasn’t really given the coaches a reason to bring him back since he’s been dropped.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: the claw on September 13, 2019, 06:17:10 PM
Ins for me Pickett, Ross, and Balta for Ellis, Short and one other possibly Baker.
Did you actually watch the game?????

I sure did Queensland  i have always liked.

Did you??? :whistle
Yes. I noticed your butter soft Grimes starring for a start.....  :whistle


grimes has been great for a fair while now, and i can say that because he improved especially weakness. pretty simple really.
You really do get all twisted when your favorites cop a bit of criticism dont ya.Chill relax they all have had weaknesses worth commenting on.

As i have always stated i stand by my comments on all players because at the time imo they were relevant.
Grimes was getting rag dolled and pushed around by much smaller opponents and i wasnt the only one who talked about it.I dont apologise for calling these efforts or him  soft because of it.

I made that comment because you want to make changes that just aren’t justified. The side just beat another side by almost 10 goals on their own home deck interstate. Any rational poster would know that wholesale changes won’t happen. Most here agree with dropping Bellis. The others mentioned all played their role very well so they won’t be dropped. While the players you mentioned all are probably potentially better players than the ones you want replaced, they still haven’t learnt to be part of the team structure and system. The old adage of a champion team will always beat a team of champions comes to mind here. Of course, once those players learn to play their roles the team will improve again but you can’t start teaching this in a preliminary final.

What a load of tripe Ross played 7 games before injury and played damn well his bigger body is ideal for finals and he would know the sytems inside out. Balta has played 13 games and would give an undersized backline much needed size and height  as well as flexability he knows the systems inside out.

Pickett is the only player who has no experince in the ones but in 2017 we bought in blokes like Graham and Townsend to replace softies and they had little or no experince in the ones.
 Anyway what happens if we cop an injury or two, those are the players who are in contention and would likely come in.But wait they arent up to speed with how we play despite us replicating it in the two;s.

Your looking for any reason you can find to not make changes Ellis and short are total liabilities defensively and Balta coming in is a slight structural change for the better imo.

You play your best team to suit the opposition and you play blokes who will give 110% and wont flinchIts called horses for courses and actual improvement.
Rubbish.
I already said Bellis needs to go. The other players mentioned are highly unlikely to be dropped. You can rant and rave but if players play their role, despite their deficiencies, will not be dropped.  Your understanding of modern football is lacking. You post like it's still 1985. Ross or Pickett can come in for Ellis. No other changes are likely unless there are injuries. That's the reality.  Get into the real world of 2019.
And here i was thinking i posted the CHANGES ID LIKE TO SEE, nowhere did i say i think it will happen.I know the coaches have their favorites right or wrong. One thing i do know is they dont get everything right,  and playing  Short Ellis  houli and Baker is a mistake that can cost us dearly imo of course.Only room for one imo and thats Houli.

Simply put i think we can significantly improve, be more rounded and flexible and significantly improve hardness and not lose a thing  just by making a few changes.

This is sheepsville or its becoming it. Everyone just spouting off what the club does as being 100% correct and dont dare have a different opinion.Does anyone think for themselves ?

Not rubbish at all many would prefer ross over Ellis and pickett over Short just look at the baggings these two have copped all yr.
No one can say that they arent defensively poor and soft that in itself is good reason for moving both on.As stated i think we have not replaced Rance this yr in any shape or form hence i think Balta should have been playing.

Now i know the club is unlikely to make changes wrongly imo but hey dont we all have our own opinions on things.

Three changes is nothing out of the box and the changes as i said would advantage us more than disadvantage us.I dont think its me who is lacking when it comes to modern footy. You just keep towing the club line eh and im sure you will be happy.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 13, 2019, 06:56:40 PM
The club has won a premiership, won a minor premiership and has made the last two preliminary finals. I think that tops anything you could do with selection and the list. So I'm not blindly following them. They've earnt my trust from their results. It would be stupid for anyone not in the inner sanctum to pretend to know better. Fact.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: big tone on September 13, 2019, 07:55:44 PM
Ins for me Pickett, Ross, and Balta for Ellis, Short and one other possibly Baker.
Did you actually watch the game?????

I sure did Queensland  i have always liked.

Did you??? :whistle
Yes. I noticed your butter soft Grimes starring for a start.....  :whistle


grimes has been great for a fair while now, and i can say that because he improved especially weakness. pretty simple really.
You really do get all twisted when your favorites cop a bit of criticism dont ya.Chill relax they all have had weaknesses worth commenting on.

As i have always stated i stand by my comments on all players because at the time imo they were relevant.
Grimes was getting rag dolled and pushed around by much smaller opponents and i wasnt the only one who talked about it.I dont apologise for calling these efforts or him  soft because of it.

I made that comment because you want to make changes that just aren’t justified. The side just beat another side by almost 10 goals on their own home deck interstate. Any rational poster would know that wholesale changes won’t happen. Most here agree with dropping Bellis. The others mentioned all played their role very well so they won’t be dropped. While the players you mentioned all are probably potentially better players than the ones you want replaced, they still haven’t learnt to be part of the team structure and system. The old adage of a champion team will always beat a team of champions comes to mind here. Of course, once those players learn to play their roles the team will improve again but you can’t start teaching this in a preliminary final.

What a load of tripe Ross played 7 games before injury and played damn well his bigger body is ideal for finals and he would know the sytems inside out. Balta has played 13 games and would give an undersized backline much needed size and height  as well as flexability he knows the systems inside out.

Pickett is the only player who has no experince in the ones but in 2017 we bought in blokes like Graham and Townsend to replace softies and they had little or no experince in the ones.
 Anyway what happens if we cop an injury or two, those are the players who are in contention and would likely come in.But wait they arent up to speed with how we play despite us replicating it in the two;s.

Your looking for any reason you can find to not make changes Ellis and short are total liabilities defensively and Balta coming in is a slight structural change for the better imo.

You play your best team to suit the opposition and you play blokes who will give 110% and wont flinchIts called horses for courses and actual improvement.
Rubbish.
I already said Bellis needs to go. The other players mentioned are highly unlikely to be dropped. You can rant and rave but if players play their role, despite their deficiencies, will not be dropped.  Your understanding of modern football is lacking. You post like it's still 1985. Ross or Pickett can come in for Ellis. No other changes are likely unless there are injuries. That's the reality.  Get into the real world of 2019.
And here i was thinking i posted the CHANGES ID LIKE TO SEE, nowhere did i say i think it will happen.I know the coaches have their favorites right or wrong. One thing i do know is they dont get everything right,  and playing  Short Ellis  houli and Baker is a mistake that can cost us dearly imo of course.Only room for one imo and thats Houli.

Simply put i think we can significantly improve, be more rounded and flexible and significantly improve hardness and not lose a thing  just by making a few changes.

This is sheepsville or its becoming it. Everyone just spouting off what the club does as being 100% correct and dont dare have a different opinion.Does anyone think for themselves ?

Not rubbish at all many would prefer ross over Ellis and pickett over Short just look at the baggings these two have copped all yr.
No one can say that they arent defensively poor and soft that in itself is good reason for moving both on.As stated i think we have not replaced Rance this yr in any shape or form hence i think Balta should have been playing.

Now i know the club is unlikely to make changes wrongly imo but hey dont we all have our own opinions on things.

Three changes is nothing out of the box and the changes as i said would advantage us more than disadvantage us.I dont think its me who is lacking when it comes to modern footy. You just keep towing the club line eh and im sure you will be happy.
Mate, if you are talking “defensively poor” Houli wins that race.
Short is Matthew Scarlet compared to Houli in regards to defending an opponent.

And if you take away the kick in duties from Houli, like the club did last weekend, Houli is “just” a player, in my opinion of course.

I’ll go as far to say, Houli won’t be playing half back next year.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: mightytiges on September 13, 2019, 10:50:49 PM
Ins for me Pickett, Ross, and Balta for Ellis, Short and one other possibly Baker.
Did you actually watch the game?????

I sure did Queensland  i have always liked.

Did you??? :whistle
Yes. I noticed your butter soft Grimes starring for a start.....  :whistle


grimes has been great for a fair while now, and i can say that because he improved especially weakness. pretty simple really.
You really do get all twisted when your favorites cop a bit of criticism dont ya.Chill relax they all have had weaknesses worth commenting on.

As i have always stated i stand by my comments on all players because at the time imo they were relevant.
Grimes was getting rag dolled and pushed around by much smaller opponents and i wasnt the only one who talked about it.I dont apologise for calling these efforts or him  soft because of it.

I made that comment because you want to make changes that just aren’t justified. The side just beat another side by almost 10 goals on their own home deck interstate. Any rational poster would know that wholesale changes won’t happen. Most here agree with dropping Bellis. The others mentioned all played their role very well so they won’t be dropped. While the players you mentioned all are probably potentially better players than the ones you want replaced, they still haven’t learnt to be part of the team structure and system. The old adage of a champion team will always beat a team of champions comes to mind here. Of course, once those players learn to play their roles the team will improve again but you can’t start teaching this in a preliminary final.

What a load of tripe Ross played 7 games before injury and played damn well his bigger body is ideal for finals and he would know the sytems inside out. Balta has played 13 games and would give an undersized backline much needed size and height  as well as flexability he knows the systems inside out.

Pickett is the only player who has no experince in the ones but in 2017 we bought in blokes like Graham and Townsend to replace softies and they had little or no experince in the ones.
 Anyway what happens if we cop an injury or two, those are the players who are in contention and would likely come in.But wait they arent up to speed with how we play despite us replicating it in the two;s.

Your looking for any reason you can find to not make changes Ellis and short are total liabilities defensively and Balta coming in is a slight structural change for the better imo.

You play your best team to suit the opposition and you play blokes who will give 110% and wont flinchIts called horses for courses and actual improvement.
Rubbish.
I already said Bellis needs to go. The other players mentioned are highly unlikely to be dropped. You can rant and rave but if players play their role, despite their deficiencies, will not be dropped.  Your understanding of modern football is lacking. You post like it's still 1985. Ross or Pickett can come in for Ellis. No other changes are likely unless there are injuries. That's the reality.  Get into the real world of 2019.
And here i was thinking i posted the CHANGES ID LIKE TO SEE, nowhere did i say i think it will happen.I know the coaches have their favorites right or wrong. One thing i do know is they dont get everything right,  and playing  Short Ellis  houli and Baker is a mistake that can cost us dearly imo of course.Only room for one imo and thats Houli.

Simply put i think we can significantly improve, be more rounded and flexible and significantly improve hardness and not lose a thing  just by making a few changes.

This is sheepsville or its becoming it. Everyone just spouting off what the club does as being 100% correct and dont dare have a different opinion.Does anyone think for themselves ?

Not rubbish at all many would prefer ross over Ellis and pickett over Short just look at the baggings these two have copped all yr.
No one can say that they arent defensively poor and soft that in itself is good reason for moving both on.As stated i think we have not replaced Rance this yr in any shape or form hence i think Balta should have been playing.

Now i know the club is unlikely to make changes wrongly imo but hey dont we all have our own opinions on things.

Three changes is nothing out of the box and the changes as i said would advantage us more than disadvantage us.I dont think its me who is lacking when it comes to modern footy. You just keep towing the club line eh and im sure you will be happy.
Mate, if you are talking “defensively poor” Houli wins that race.
Short is Matthew Scarlet compared to Houli in regards to defending an opponent.

And if you take away the kick in duties from Houli, like the club did last weekend, Houli is “just” a player, in my opinion of course.

I’ll go as far to say, Houli won’t be playing half back next year.
Ideally, we want Houli loose, rebounding off half-back or pumping it inside F50. He's a top distributor of the footy setting up attacks. If he is being forced to defend closely then that means our midfield is getting well beaten and we are pushing our numbers back into defence to hold up the fort.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: mightytiges on September 13, 2019, 10:56:00 PM
Interesting to see what we now do with our ruck combo. Geelong doesn't have a conventional ruckman. They use mobile 'shorter' talls Stanley, Blicavs and even Ratugolea.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 13, 2019, 11:17:27 PM
depends on the weather, but i wouldnt be playing 2 against this mob

Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: georgies31 on September 13, 2019, 11:30:20 PM
I would play both rucks unless weather is bad.Soldo first ruck Nank mobile around the ground and relieving Soldo.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Rampsation on September 14, 2019, 10:08:02 AM
The club has won a premiership, won a minor premiership and has made the last two preliminary finals. I think that tops anything you could do with selection and the list. So I'm not blindly following them. They've earnt my trust from their results. It would be stupid for anyone not in the inner sanctum to pretend to know better. Fact.

Have to agree with Doc on this
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Rampsation on September 14, 2019, 10:09:52 AM
Interesting to see what we now do with our ruck combo. Geelong doesn't have a conventional ruckman. They use mobile 'shorter' talls Stanley, Blicavs and even Ratugolea.

Maybe Balta comes in to relieve ruck?
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: the claw on September 14, 2019, 10:16:39 AM
The club has won a premiership, won a minor premiership and has made the last two preliminary finals. I think that tops anything you could do with selection and the list. So I'm not blindly following them. They've earnt my trust from their results. It would be stupid for anyone not in the inner sanctum to pretend to know better. Fact.
Well you just keep towing that club line .Im glad your confident they never get anything wrong lol. Oh and excuse me for daring to have a slightly different view to them.

Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 14, 2019, 12:06:57 PM
The club has won a premiership, won a minor premiership and has made the last two preliminary finals. I think that tops anything you could do with selection and the list. So I'm not blindly following them. They've earnt my trust from their results. It would be stupid for anyone not in the inner sanctum to pretend to know better. Fact.
Well you just keep towing that club line .Im glad your confident they never get anything wrong lol. Oh and excuse me for daring to have a slightly different view to them.
Never said they don’t make mistakes. Look at yourself. You thought Rance was a dud and we should have traded him and he turned it around and became the best defender in the competition for several years. You also misjudged Grimes. You also made mistakes criticising our 2017 side which went onto win the flag.
Yes, the football department does make mistakes but so do all of them. My point is that they know our side better than you do and they see them train too which obviously you don’t from WA. So I back them to be right more often than not and obviously more often than any of us on this forum.....
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: mightytiges on September 14, 2019, 12:35:41 PM
Interesting to see what we now do with our ruck combo. Geelong doesn't have a conventional ruckman. They use mobile 'shorter' talls Stanley, Blicavs and even Ratugolea.

Maybe Balta comes in to relieve ruck?
Either Balta or Chol. Big day today for them to put their case forward.

If it's going to be wet as wayne posted in the other thread then I'd doubt we'll play both Soldo and Nank together.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: mightytiges on September 14, 2019, 05:52:34 PM
Unless it's going to be pouring down and structurally we'll be forced to change, I don't see us making any changes after watching the VFL. A big risk to bring in Menadue despite a good game given he's done nothing at AFL level when he's been given a game. Balta was very influential in the last once he went into the ruck but it's a big ask and risk to bring in a young cameo player into an AFL Prelim who can go missing for large chunks of the game.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 14, 2019, 05:55:44 PM
Unless it's going to be pouring down and structurally we'll be forced to change, I don't see us making any changes after watching the VFL. A big risk to bring in Menadue despite a good game given he's done nothing at AFL level when he's been given a game. Balta was very influential in the last once he went into the ruck but it's a big ask and risk to bring in a young cameo player into an AFL Prelim who can go missing for large chunks of the game.

Considering the opponent and the weather if the forecasts remain, balta put his hand up above chol to come in this week if they decide to tinker with the ruck again.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: mightytiges on September 14, 2019, 06:03:48 PM
Considering the opponent and the weather if the forecasts remain, balta put his hand up above chol to come in this week if they decide to tinker with the ruck again.
True. Balta is now ahead of Chol.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Fluffy Tiger on September 14, 2019, 07:06:02 PM
Geelong will probably go with Stanley backed up with Blicavs. Its hard to know if a Nank, Soldo combination would be better than a Nank, Balta combo against them. Given that the VFL team didn't really throw up any real contenders for places the only change I would make would be Soldo out for Balta.

If Stack is ready I would probably do him for Ellis.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Andyy on September 14, 2019, 08:51:57 PM
I would be going with Nank and Soldo.

If we have to drop one of them I'd be going with Balta over Nank.

Soldo is a better ruck than Nank, period, and the main job of a ruck is to ruck - Nank may be better around the ground but that's not the priority. Especially if we play a GF vs Collingwood, Soldo would have to be a lock to negate Grundy. Nank is just too small.

Pickett for Ellis.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: one-eyed on September 15, 2019, 02:25:43 AM
McRae said Kamdyn McIntosh and Noah Balta would likely be discussed at the selection table and believes both are ready to go if needed.

Source: Herald-Sun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-vfl-team-through-to-grand-final-after-barnstorming-last-quarter/news-story/dc28bd0d4dbda504c212e2098b4d32f0)

Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: lamington on September 15, 2019, 09:41:56 AM
If it’s a dry deck we go in unchanged. At this point in time Soldo has earned ruck #1 position and the mobile back up is the one for the taking. I don’t think Chol or Balta  has done enough to displace Nank. It’s sucks because I think Chol was great in the tail end of the season and Balta is an excitement machine but I believe they’re too raw for a prelim
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: eliminator on September 15, 2019, 05:30:14 PM
Got to go with Nank. He will be better for the run after the Brisbane game. If Hawkins play need  Nank's ability to cover the backs.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: one-eyed on September 15, 2019, 11:20:03 PM
Richmond ruck Ivan Soldo forced to play the waiting game

Daniel Cherny
The Age
16 September 2019


Ivan Soldo says he still doesn’t know whether he will play in the VFL or AFL this weekend.

The Richmond ruckman has played 12 games this season after an opportunity presented following an injury in round eight to Toby Nankervis.

Soldo was dropped ahead of round 21 when Nankervis returned to face Carlton, but the premiership big man pulled up sore following that game, again opening the door for Soldo.

Despite fellow talls Mabior Chol and Noah Balta playing plenty of AFL football this year, Soldo and Nankervis were chosen to team up for the qualifying final against the Brisbane Lions. Soldo had seven disposals and 25 hitouts while Nankervis had five disposals and 24 hitouts.

Chol impressed with nine disposals and two goals in Richmond’s VFL preliminary final win over Port Melbourne on Saturday.

Soldo said on Sunday that he remained uncertain about whether he would line up against Geelong in an AFL preliminary final on Friday night or be sent back to the VFL for the grand final.

“I’m not sure yet. We won’t really know until Wednesday, being a Friday game. You just never really know,” Soldo told The Age.

“That’s the life of a footy player. I’m just preparing to play either on Friday or Sunday.”

However Soldo said he felt like he had the support of senior coach Damien Hardwick.

“I think Dimma has faith in me, and the ruck duo, so it’s exciting because I think Toby’s a great player and I like playing beside him, and obviously AFL’s everyone’s dream and that’s where you want to be playing. Both teams are in a really good position so to be honest it doesn’t really matter where I play. I’m happy with team success at the moment.”

A promising junior basketballer, Soldo has played 20 AFL games since joining the Tigers as a Category B rookie in mid-2014.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-ruck-ivan-soldo-forced-to-play-the-waiting-game-20190915-p52rj6.html
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: 1965 on September 16, 2019, 09:14:21 AM
When was the last time someone won a VFL priemership medal and a AFL priemership medal in the same year?

😁
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 16, 2019, 10:14:07 AM
When was the last time someone won a VFL priemership medal and a AFL priemership medal in the same year?

😁

was it cyril or has it never happened before?

Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: mightytiges on September 16, 2019, 10:33:53 AM
When was the last time someone won a VFL priemership medal and a AFL priemership medal in the same year?

😁
Stephen King at Geelong in 2007 was one from memory.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 16, 2019, 12:59:21 PM
Yep he's the one I remember too. That Mark Blake guy played almost every game that year and got dropped for the big one :lol
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: one-eyed on September 17, 2019, 12:58:28 PM
In the Mix - Preliminary Final

Sarah Black
afl.com.au
17 September 2019


RICHMOND

Get them in: Versatile runner Connor Menadue (27 disposals, three goals) was named the VFL team's best in its preliminary final win over Port Melbourne, playing at both ends. Marlion Pickett (16 and seven tackles) stood up when the game was on the line, while Callum Coleman-Jones finished with 24 hitouts and 17 touches.

Under the pump: It was a very well-rounded performance from the Tigers against Brisbane in the qualifying final. Nathan Broad had just two disposals but is important to Richmond's defensive structure.

Medical room:
Talented rookie Sydney Stack has been ruled out of this weekend's footy, having not yet recovered from surgery on a syndesmosis injury. Dan Rioli (rolled ankle) has been training well over the past week.

Verdict: A late-week injury aside, no change for the Tigers.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-17/in-the-mix-whos-pushing-for-selection-in-the-preliminary-finals
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: mightytiges on September 17, 2019, 05:10:11 PM
Given it's now not going to be wet then no change.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: one-eyed on September 18, 2019, 06:59:04 PM
Ch 9 probably making more of it than it is but they said Nank trained with the main group while Soldo trained away with the rehab group.

The vision they showed was of Nank, Soldo and Balta working on their ruck craft with ruck coach Ivan Maric.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: mightytiges on September 19, 2019, 11:26:21 AM
Dimma has said today there will be no changes to the team this week.
Title: Re: Changes for the Prelim?
Post by: one-eyed on September 19, 2019, 12:27:27 PM
Damien Hardwick has confirmed Richmond will go into Friday’s preliminary final with the same side that beat the Brisbane Lions a fortnight ago.

“It’d be hard to change [the side that beat Brisbane],” Hardwick said.

“We were pretty impressed with the way those guys played last week.

“At this stage we will go in unchanged. Obviously we have got to get through today’s session but those guys have earned the right with really good, hard, tough footy that we love.”

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-to-field-unchanged-line-up-in-preliminary-final-against-geelong-20190919-p52swi.html