One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: taztiger4 on September 12, 2019, 01:20:34 PM
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Don Pyke has flow the coop
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We sure did. Been a disaster.
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a mate of mine from adelaide is so salty its not funny. his comeback today was if we played you in 10 grand finals we would have won 8.
i replied mate my 8 year old wouldnt even come back with garbage like that.
The club is in turmoil since our famous win.
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Hilarious.
I watched the replay last week before the Brisbane game.
Power ranger stance and Tex's speech bahahahhahahaha
Imploding
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Want Rutten to get the job just to stuff the Bumblers...reckon Voss might get the job though - won't have to move... :shh
Though Lyon would stuff the club even further and make them unwatchable so that would be the funniest result... :shh :shh
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crowbots, the clowns that keep the comedy coming
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We sure did. Been a disaster.
Just a shame it was the Crows........
not Collingwood
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Meh.. The crows gave us enough humiliation over the years... Ended Walls coaching career.. They beat us by 140 once.
We sure did. Been a disaster.
Just a shame it was the Crows........
not Collingwood
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Though Lyon would stuff the club even further and make them unwatchable so that would be the funniest result... :shh :shh
There's talk in SA of a coach swap: Lyon to Adelaide; Pyke to Freo.
Someone who might know said to me earlier today, ‘Does this sound like Don Pyke might end up as the next Fremantle coach?’” Blight said.
“Ross Lyon will (coach Adelaide). It’s a swap. They’ll do a David Parkin and Robert Walls.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-for-friday-september-13-2019/live-coverage/bd5743a81b49a3d29ee1edd02c3912cd
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Lyon to Adelaide.... Just when you think it couldn't get any worse for the Crows.
I wouldn't go anywhere near Lyon. It always ends badly.
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Lyon to Adelaide.... Just when you think it couldn't get any worse for the Crows.
I wouldn't go anywhere near Lyon. It always ends badly.
What a choice for them: Lyon or Brad Scott. Talk about lose lose :rollin.
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I heard that Rutten is a big chance. Essendon
Not happy lol.
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I heard that Rutten is a big chance. Essendon
Not happy lol.
Well Rutten would be qualified for the Adelaide job. He already knows the Richmond theme song ;D.
On the radio earlier today they said Essendon has set up a succession plan with Rutten in line to take over from Worsfold at some stage. Well that worked well with Malthouse & Buckley - NOT! :nope
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^ don't forget Roos + Goodwin haha
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Well Rutten would be qualified for the Adelaide job. He already knows the Richmond theme song ;D.
:clapping
I laughed out loud when I read that. Missus was wondering what the hell was going on.
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Well Rutten would be qualified for the Adelaide job. He already knows the Richmond theme song ;D.
:clapping
I laughed out loud when I read that. Missus was wondering what the hell was going on.
lol :laugh:
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Crows camp hurt culture and divided playing group: Ellis-Yolmen
“It definitely comes from multiple factors over the years. The Grand Final was a tough loss and we tried to do a few things after that with the camp and other things and obviously they did not work and it has kind of hurt the culture at the club and kind of divided us and stopped us playing good team footy that we were playing in 2017.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/10/07/crows-camp-hurt-culture-and-divided-playing-group-ellis-yolmen/
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The Crows' club review has been handed down:
Head of football Brett Burton and assistant coach Scott Camporeale are gone.
They are creating a new position called "Head of Leadership and Culture".
No one on the Adelaide Board or senior management goes though. So much for a change of culture at the top :nope.
They expect to appoint a new Senior Coach within a week.
https://www.afc.com.au/news/2019-10-11/football-review-finalised
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9buo9Mtos
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They are creating a new position called "Head of Leadership and Culture".
LMAO sounds like it should be titled Head of circle jerking
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Burton was no good
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Burton was no good
Could take a mean speccy though
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[Could take a mean speccy though
Which is ironic as climbing on top of other people's hard work & backs is the only way he got the gig as FD in the first place.
Mr High Performance Manager my arse, riding Rui's coat tails more like it....
Adelaide FC, home of jobs for the SA boys club.
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Former Crow Hugh Greenwood says he “could feel things were bubbling’’ for two years at Adelaide and that it was “only a matter of time before the lid came off’’.
The big-bodied midfielder said the Crows had been on a downward spiral since being crushed in the 2017 grand final by Richmond, leading to a big clean-out in the past month.
“I certainly didn’t agree with all the decisions that were made but it’s not often that you do.
“I respect them and wish the club the best but it’s been no secret with the way some things have been handled over the past two years, starting with the grand final and the ripple effects.
“You could see internally that stuff was bubbling and that it was only a matter of time before the lid came off and ultimately that happened.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/gold-coast-signing-hugh-greenwood-says-things-were-bubbling-for-two-years-before-the-big-adelaide-crows-cleanout/news-story/4ccc2df1a28afa35afa19974cc1ad9b0
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From an Adelaide journo:
Touch of the Fumbles - Goodbye to Romance
Yep, an uneventful post-season.
Nothing to write home about.
Just our coach quitting, the club sliding out of top three draft contention, an unpleasant external review, an unpleasant internal review, the next two most senior guys in the football department getting the arse, a third of a team including three of the four most likeable players on our list* bumped out the door and a new coach appointed.
That’s all.
Even the stuff that had nothing to do with us was pretty annoying, not least the PTSD flashback experience of watching Richmond rollicking home in a Grand Final.
(https://frinkiac.com/video/S05E13/WNzJE-f0oybkEFPM3T1tQ3OFfLI=.gif)
Still, there were consolations: at least we’re now the least worst of the Tigers’ recent premiership opponents.
At the end of the day though, we should be, perhaps, vaguely thankful one of the few teams in the AFL without a former Adelaide player in their ranks keeps winning the flag.
And who knows? Maybe Carlton will one day lend us some other great player whose spirit needs breaking?
After all, we’re the place to do it.
Yes, that infamous preseason camp still occupies far too much of the narrative surrounding our doomed, damned club.
It was supposedly about breaking the players down and then building them back up again, which is ironically the exact opposite of what the current administration has done to the football club as a whole. But the fallout has now indirectly claimed the jobs of our head of football and senior assistant coach (who was presumably boned just because his name was a constant reminder of the word ‘Camp’), while departing players begin to spill the proverbial beans.
The culpability or otherwise of anyone else is apparently neither here nor there since the external review was helpfully mandated to audit neither board nor administration… because obviously neither board nor administration had any say in a camp for which the best that could be said is that it was probably better than Essendon’s. Right…?
For yes, we must endeavour to find a bright side – a silver lining to the clouds that appear to have settled in above us for the long haul.
And here is one at least: Paddy Dangerfield has now lost as many preliminary finals as the Crows have since their last flag. So that’s something.
We know the Crows will play the proverbial kids next year, so at least we’ll get to catch a glimpse of that next generation of talent, the guys who will one day screw up our next premiership tilt.
Then there’s the imminent appointment of new senior football staff, including the freshly-created role of Head of Leadership and Culture, with one contender springing immediately to mind:
https://media1.giphy.com/media/3o85xnoIXebk3xYx4Q/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611c856011b3e00a877645930b1461022dc8d0f6ac4&rid=giphy.gif
Full article: https://indaily.com.au/sport/touch-of-the-fumbles/2019/10/21/touch-of-the-fumbles-goodbye-to-romance/
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From an Adelaide journo:
This was a hilarious article haahahaha
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Yep... Great read, there's some real gold
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Who wrote that? I would say a little girl but they would have more backbone and spirit so it must have been one of the whiny bitch troglodyte pseudo men that have infested this country.
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Brad Crouch was "desperate" to get out of Adelaide in trade period.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/11/12/brad-crouch-was-desperate-to-get-out-of-adelaide-in-trade-period-mcclure/
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Blocked at work. Can anyone share or give me a TLDR please?
Ta
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Blocked at work. Can anyone share or give me a TLDR please?
Ta
Wanted to go to GC, price was too high, 3 days before end of trade period went back again and had dropped his asking price dramatically. Too late for GC as they had committed to Rowell and Anderson.
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Overrated this guy bigtime lucky didn't come to us.Prestia makes him look second rate.
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Ex-Tiger Daniel Jackson has been appointed by the Crows to their new "leadership" committee thing.
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Ex-Tiger Daniel Jackson has been appointed by the Crows to their new "leadership" committee thing.
As capable as Jacko is, and I’m sure he’ll be an excellent appointment, if they’re trying to acquire some of the Richmond special sauce that other clubs are after, well, Jacko wasn’t really at Tigerland during the cultural shift.
Anyway. Good luck to him! I expect he’ll do a few apprenticeships before making a big move back to us at some point in the future!
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The Crows wanted someone who knows the Richmond theme song ;)
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The Crows wanted someone who knows the Richmond theme song ;)
:clapping
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“When there are big moments, they [Tex Walker/Adelaide] don’t have the mental toughness to perform.”
Cornes then highlighted footage of Walker’s poor 2017 Grand Final performance that showed the Crow dropping marks and chasing Richmond players.
“That’s why we’re seeing efforts like this. That’s why the club is employing Collective Minds to work on the players’ mindset. They’re a mentally fragile group.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-taylor-walker-kane-cornes-feud-mentally-fragile-comments-footy-classified/news-story/a10423eef0f5902257551ab068c3f539
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They WERE mentally fragile.
They're irrelevant again now :D
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They caught Crowvid-17 and couldn’t even flatten the curve, let alone eradicate it
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I still follow the club and I keep up to speed (relatively) with the league and forums, but I'm so disillusioned with the whole lot at the moment. At a club level and league level. The whole thing, combined with the rabid media, is just a cesspool. Throw in a disjointed season and I'm just about done.
I never thought I'd say it, but I kind of feel the same way.
The media have especially turned me off, and I've been surprisingly uninterested.
The weak stance from the club is the final straw for many it seems and there are many more who were already out, pretty sad.
I'm calling the club on Monday and cancelling.
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/screenshot_20200508-213835_gallery-jpg.872446/)
I just hope the season doesn’t go ahead and the AFL goes bankrupt. Start again with a new organisation. Footy won’t die and neither will the club
VFL forever.
If they go hard with penalties... We should pull out of the season & stuff up their competition.
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No, we pull out of the season.
We would struggle to put a side on the park.
Gil can GAGF!
I'm following the Sanfl & pulling my membership.
Difficult discussing anything if they’re Richmond fans in particular. The general view is they destroyed our club beyond repair in 2017.
And that’s a very difficult allegation to refute
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/potential-training-breach.1239657/page-22
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Richmond single handedly wrecked this mob in 2017. I reckon wevd put them in the bin for the next 20 years.
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The AFL have fined Adelaide $100,000 and stripped the club of two draft picks for breaching strict training rules last week, according to Channel 7's Tom Browne.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/05/10/report-afl-hands-down-penalty-for-crows-training-rule-breach/
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Brothel of club.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/adelaide-to-cop-hefty-fine-but-wont-be-stripped-of-draft-picks-for-breaking-social-distancing-rules/news-story/e60f175d7b00d9a26b8d04b10b8f1cce
not sure what i would prefer more. tom browne to be wrong AGAIN or the crows to lose 2 draft picks
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Tom Browne wrong again.
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The AFL investigation found that the breach by the players and assistant coach was inadvertent and not done to create a competitive advantage.
The 16 players have each received a suspended one match sanction. The suspended sentence will remain in place for the remainder of the 2020 Toyota AFL Premiership season.
Assistant Coach Ben Hart has been stood down from coaching duties for 6 weeks from today's date. He will not be able to access the club facilities or have contact with players until 22 June 2020.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/433093/afl-statement-on-crows-training-breach
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How weak
Another lettuce leaf penalty handed out by the AFL
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Caroline Wilson reported that rivals clubs were “disgusted” over the light treatment the Crows copped from the league.
“Every AFL club I’ve spoken to today cannot believe that the AFL wasn’t harsher on the Crows,” she said.
“I agree a fine would have been tough. The Crows are probably, ultimately, going to have to borrow money from the AFL anyway – and members were threatening to dump their memberships if their club was penalised. So I can understand the financial penalty is not the right thing – and I don’t think draft penalties and I don’t think premiership points (were reasonable). But I just think the players broke the rules and needed to be suspended.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-adelaide-barossa-valley-training-breach-caroline-wilson-slams-afl-ben-hart/news-story/1fcfa867595e90ca1cb8b9808b88df24
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Next time we are threatened with a potential sanction lets just all threaten to withdraw our memberships. What a disgrace. The afl cow towing to a bunch of buffoons on the internet.
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We have found some audio that describes another AFL club who has been training in a group...
https://omny.fm/shows/roo-and-
And please tell one of them was Richmond
https://twitter.com/maggie_weir/status/1259689817895403520
AFL so worried about Adelaide training in a groups over a 5 minute period but are happy to gift a premiership to Richmond by handing them a Home qualifying final after finishing 4th in home and away season. CORUPTION!
https://twitter.com/_Bstraughn/status/1259419496411918338
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We have found some audio that describes another AFL club who has been training in a group...
https://omny.fm/shows/roo-and-
And please tell one of them was Richmond
https://twitter.com/maggie_weir/status/1259689817895403520
AFL so worried about Adelaide training in a groups over a 5 minute period but are happy to gift a premiership to Richmond by handing them a Home qualifying final after finishing 4th in home and away season. CORUPTION!
https://twitter.com/_Bstraughn/status/1259419496411918338
We never finished 4th?
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We have found some audio that describes another AFL club who has been training in a group...
https://omny.fm/shows/roo-and-
And please tell one of them was Richmond
https://twitter.com/maggie_weir/status/1259689817895403520
AFL so worried about Adelaide training in a groups over a 5 minute period but are happy to gift a premiership to Richmond by handing them a Home qualifying final after finishing 4th in home and away season. CORUPTION!
https://twitter.com/_Bstraughn/status/1259419496411918338
We never finished 4th?
Not since 2001
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Crows were ‘so scared’ they lost 2017 GF ‘almost at first bounce’ after infamous power stance
May 22, 2020 5:34pm
FOX SPORTS
The Crows finished on top of the ladder that season and looked clearly the best team in the league based on their strong percentage.
But during the finals series they became more known for their controversial team-wide anthem pose, which was from the leadership group Collective Minds - who also spearheaded Adelaide’s failed 2018 pre-season camp.
Leppitsch told the Herald Sun’s Sacked podcast he believed the power stance, which saw the Crows standing tall with chests puffed out while staring down their opponents, backfired on them.
“Every team has an identity and you think about the team I played for, Brisbane, its identity was a big, hard contested-footy beast,” the former Lions player and coach said.
“Hawthorn were a beautifully skilled, good kicking team. Richmond is more about everything being OK - you can make mistakes and as long as you are competitive and get the ball going forward you are pretty good.
“So Adelaide adopted the power stance and I think when you adopt anything when you are powerful, the minute you burst that bubble, what is next?
“And that’s an interesting one. You have adopted a dominant stance but the minute you aren’t...
“Talk about the Essendon era and Leigh Matthews’ ‘If It Bleeds You Can Kill It’ (mantra). Whenever you pop that dominant bubble, and you see they do bleed what is next?
“It can be a dangerous one to play. We all want to be the dominant side, we all want to be Serena Williams, there smashing everyone.
“But they (Adelaide) were so scared going into the game (2017 Grand Final) we almost beat them at the first bounce, and that approach can also have its negative if someone bursts the bubble, which we did that day.”
While the Crows jumped out to an 11-point lead at quarter-time, the Tigers’ suffocating pressure proved too much from there as they kicked seven consecutive goals on route to a 48-point blowout.
Adelaide hasn’t played in a final since that day, and its players continue to be mocked for the power stance, including by Patrick Dangerfield during the State of Origin charity game in February.
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/2cf728ceaa18ca2dc107c6f4c72135f5)
The Crows in their power stance before the 2017 Grand Final. (Photo by Darrian Traynor/AFL Media/Getty Images)
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-adelaide-power-stance-backfired-in-2017-grand-final-vs-richmond-justin-leppitsch-sacked-podcast-interview/news-story/34b086e503d95ad3b6e0acdc3d152d19
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‘We were conned’: Ex-Crow’s cheeky tactic to avoid ‘stupid’ power stance photos
May 24, 2020
Ben Waterworth
FOX SPORTS
And knowing it’d seem a strange look to the AFL world, Jenkins has revealed his cheeky tactic to ensure there was as little photographic evidence of his involvement as possible. And it worked pretty well.
Despite finishing on top of the ladder in 2017 and making a Grand Final, the Crows’ finals campaign became renowned for the team-wide anthem pose, which was inspired by Collective Minds – the leadership group that also spearheaded Adelaide’s disastrous 2018 pre-season camp.
That pre-game position was thrust back into the spotlight last week by Richmond assistant coach Justin Leppitsch, who claimed on the Herald Sun’s ‘Sacked’ podcast that the Tigers almost had Adelaide beaten “at the first bounce” of the Grand Final after its infamous power stance.
“I see the power stance has made a comeback with Justin Leppitsch, who made mention of it. It’ll be coming up for 20 years, that stupid stance,” Jenkins told SEN’s Off The Bench on Saturday.
Asked what was the reasoning behind the odd pre-game move, Jenkins said: “We were conned, mate. We were conned by the crew at Collective Minds, told us that if we did it we’d go all the way.
“In fairness, it didn’t affect our game at all because we did it in the other two finals and we blew GWS and Geelong away. So it didn’t have any negative impact.
“It was just a little bit of foolishness and probably a bit naive on our behalf to think we would have an impact on the game.”
Jenkins, who was traded to Geelong at the end of the 2019 season, cheekily said the pose made for “a few good photos” – but he added he made a deliberate effort to ensure he wasn’t in too many snaps.
Jenkins said he tried to position himself as far away from then-coach Don Pyke and then-captain Taylor Walker as possible to avoid featuring in a flood of pictures.
“It’s quite funny. If you look up a wide shot of the 22 players, some of the boys just are really half-committed to the ‘power stance’ … not keen on it,” Jenkins said with a laugh.
“I distinctly remember making sure I was closest to the bench, so farthest away from the coach and captain because I knew I wouldn’t be in the photos.”
On the photographic evidence, Jenkins’ tactic may have paid off.
Crows midfielder Matt Crouch said he hadn’t reflected too deeply on the pose but claimed it worked well for the qualifying and preliminary finals.
“That was the concept behind it: To be revved up and ready to go when the bounce happens,” Crouch told ABC Grandstand. “But obviously the Grand Final it didn’t work and you live and die by the sword.
“Everyone now says we look stupid. But I think if we’d won it would’ve been a masterstroke.
“It’s a funny one to look back on when you look back at some of the photos, it looks pretty funny and we seem to cop it a little bit about it. But I think it’s a decision we made at the time.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-adelaide-power-stance-2017-grand-final-josh-jenkins-photos/news-story/9f1d1d519e0f71a611949d86e3210665
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One of the best ever threads on BF :rollin
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Andrew McLeod made it clear he didn’t want to spend time at West Lakes.
“You see lots of guys go back to their footy clubs and they feel welcomed. For me, the Crows doesn’t really have that vibe. It doesn’t have that vibe where it feels like you’re really welcomed here.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-adelaide-crows-andrew-mcleod-leadership-mark-ricciuto-bunji-brettster/news-story/0cf52f97e4a79fc6ba8a3687e0242bb2
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Channel 10 cameras have captured Adelaide Crows teammates Billy Frampton and Kyle Hartigan brawling during a scratch match.
The vision shows Adelaide teammates attempting to break up the fight after Frampton and Hartigan came to blows during the intra-club match at West Lakes.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/06/08/watch-or-cameras-catch-adelaide-duo-brawling-at-training/
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Explosive report unearths new details about Adelaide Crows' horror 2018 pre-season camp
By Chris De Silva
Nine
5 July 2020
A stunning exposé into the infamous 2018 Adelaide Crows pre-season camp has uncovered fresh details about the horrors endured by the players involved and the reasons for why some have been left deeply scarred to this day.
The report, written by The Age reporter Sam McClure, revealed the players were "petrified" and "unnerved" when they were greeted by men who were carrying what looked to be automatic weapons, before being blindfolded on a bus with blacked out windows that took them to a location which was undisclosed.
However, one of the more disturbing revelations was how sensitive information that players had confided to club staff had likely been handed to the facilitators of the Collective Mind camp to be used in a "harness" activity.
According to McClure, Crows players are "certain" sensitive information was handed to Collective Mind boss Amon Woulfe and business partner Derek Leddie.
"In order to get out of the harness, the player would have to crawl on his hands and knees towards a combat knife that Wolfgang had set on the ground, about 10 metres away," McClure wrote.
"Each player could choose two teammates in the group to sit on chairs and offer moral support. Nine other teammates were instructed to pull the other way.
"As the nine others pulled the player away from the knife, facilitators encouraged them to hurl abuse at him. At first, it was relatively harmless; "Come on, mate. You're weak, you'll give up!"
"But as the struggle increased, the insults became more personal.
"Episodes of childhood trauma, relationships with partners and incidents of domestic abuse were among the subjects referenced as players tried to crawl across the mud.
"In some cases, the information was so sensitive that players hadn't even shared it with their partners."
Speaking on the AFL Sunday Footy Show, McClure discussed his report, and particularly the "danger" involved in Woulfe and Leddie's methods with the Crows players.
"Amon Woulfe and Derek Leddie, who were the founders and creators of Collective Mind, they were on the camp and they're not registered psychologists," he said.
"They've got leadership backgrounds, but no psychology degree or qualifications.
"Jeff Bond OAM, who was the head of AIS psychology and is now at the Brumbies, he said that it is just fraught with danger, it is unbelievably dangerous to have unqualified people go into this field and start to meddle around in people's minds.
"That's what happened and we've seen what's happened to the Adelaide Crows on and off the field since."
Despite the disturbing revelations, McClure said he did not expect the AFL to open another investigation into the controversial pre-season camp.
"I don't think we'll see another investigation from the AFL," he said.
"The AFL Players' Association have both privately and I think to some degree, publicly, admitted that they just completely dropped the ball on this camp.
"The Integrity Unit investigation found that there was a lack of due diligence done by the club, I think that's putting it pretty lightly.
"Whether some of the players decide to go down the legal route once they retire for what happened on that camp is up to them."
McClure added that if there is legal action, that it will likely take place when the players involved are no longer playing in the AFL.
"One of the main reasons why there's a lot of unnamed sources that have quotes in my piece is because no one wants to be the face of this while they're still playing," he said.
"You can absolutely understand that. They want this story to be out, but no one wants to be the face of it while they're still playing."
According to McClure, former Crows football boss Brett Burton, who was fired due to the fallout from the camp, told the players that the club had signed confidentiality agreements on their behalf, essentially gagging them from speaking out.
"A lot of the players, for one reason or another, felt like they were not allowed to talk about it, and still feel like that," he said.
"They were told by Amon Woulfe and Collective Mind that the three different groups in the camp were not to share information with each other about what happened.
"So you had this situation where different players didn't know what their teammates had been through because they weren't in the same group.
"There's no doubt at one time or another, the players, or a player, will their version of the story on what happened."
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/adelaide-crows-horror-pre-season-camp-details-revealed-sam-mcclure/ee0a9c9d-bcfd-4fc3-8f71-c8dc6bac3586
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Disgusting.
Genuinely categorised as abusive IMO.
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Disgusting.
Genuinely categorised as abusive IMO.
Well said Andy.
Those running that camp were psychos. How were/are they allowed operate.
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Aside from the breach of confidentiality it doesn’t sound that bad. A few of their princesses need to harden up a bit. Jenkins clearly the one that leaked the info. Likely after Riccutto said on radio they were happy to see him go
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https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/afl-2020-adelaide-crows-wifesharing-allegation-from-2018-preseason-camp-nightmare/news-story/b9ade82a0d8e3abb6fa0deae9e961442
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that is garbage by the crows.
didnt the afl clear them of any wrong doing over this trip? :lol
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The gift that keeps on giving
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Ummm what?
I think the right idea is the other way around: it is never OK to sleep with your mate's wife and you should trust that he never would, even if she was passed out butt naked on his bed.
Those are the types of friends I have...
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Ummm what?
I think the right idea is the other way around: it is never OK to sleep with your mate's wife and you should trust that he never would, even if she was passed out butt naked on his bed.
Those are the types of friends I have...
The type of friends who are passed out butt naked on your bed???
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Ummm what?
I think the right idea is the other way around: it is never OK to sleep with your mate's wife and you should trust that he never would, even if she was passed out butt naked on his bed.
Those are the types of friends I have...
The type of friends who are passed out butt naked on your bed???
You’re being a bit tough, he did say if his wife was naked and passed out on his mate’s bed.
Mind you, I think he might need a new wife ..... not mate ;D
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Turning into a circus, dumping your captain who just signed a seven year deal
https://www.afl.com.au/news/499037/skipper-axed-giants-make-shock-speed-bump-call
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What the actual F
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To be fair he has been pretty shyte of late... :shh
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They dropped their out-of-form captain and yet they still lost to the Dees. Kind of hard to win games when you pick 3 tall forwards in the same team yet have them all push up the ground so there's no one inside F50 to kick to :huh3.
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Greene & Cameron basically playing the wrong way around in the first half was the most inexplicably dumb footy I think I've ever seen.....first GWS lose to Adelaide and now this... they must have money on Melbourne making the eight... :shh
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It wasn't the first time either Leon has made odd moves. Last week he started J.Cameron on the wing against Adelaide despite the Crows having the leakiest defence this year. If you wanted your FF to regain some form surely you play him at FF against the bottom side ???. There's something clearly wrong up there. Has Leon lost the confidence of the senior players? Since we flogged them in last year's GF, the Ferrari has turned into a Trabant.
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Or a broken down Morris Marina
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Another 3 goal game to end their season lol.
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Well one Crows fan has a sense of humour ;D.
The Bad
We lost our last game in September to Richmond
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/good-bad-vs-richmond.1248034/post-67039954
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A pic to send to anyone you know who is an Adelaide supporter ;D.
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/071112b4-76c2-46de-a8e9-d0ac3bbe8ee9-jpeg.946507)
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/port-forum-general-afl-talk-thread-part-15.1243622/page-342
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Well the Crows finally got their WEG poster (http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/Smileys/default/snidegrin.gif)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiRMCT5VgAAh8F3.jpg)
https://twitter.com/virtualalexb
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Should have been carrying a wooden spoon. Ive seen better from the Weg team.
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Looking back, Gibbs believed it [the camp] hurt the club more than he thought at the time, with players uneasy about what had transpired.
“We hopped on a bus on the Gold Coast and ended up in New South Wales. I couldn’t even tell you where we were to be honest. It certainly hurt the group probably more so than I thought it did at the time looking back,” he said.
“I think the playing group lost a bit of trust with the footy department. Obviously a lot of details we weren’t allowed to know going into the camp, we all had to sign waivers just to say we can’t speak about it after.
“It was just strange the way it played out and I think the playing group lost trust with some of the decisions the club was making and some of the decisions going forward.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-adelaide-crows-training-camp-gold-coast-bryce-gibbs-sas-cult-crows-saga/news-story/0b08df135a4e7c63a5c7b2b416c4e742
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SafeWork SA confirm investigation into Adelaide Crows' camp
Peter Ryan
The Age
December 5, 2020
The Adelaide Crows are co-operating with SafeWork SA after the government body confirmed it was conducting a "comprehensive" investigation into the Crows' controversial pre-season camp held before the start of the 2018 season.
The camp, which took place on the Gold Coast after the Crows lost the 2017 grand final to Richmond, has dogged the club since, with reports of players being taken to an unknown location for a series of resilience-building exercises.
SafeWork SA confirmed the investigation on Saturday in a statement to The Age, after a News Corp report on Friday. Preliminary enquiries had started in July, with South Australian Premier Steve Marshall saying at a press conference at the time that he had found some allegations surrounding what happened on the camp "disturbing".
"SafeWork SA’s comprehensive enquiries into the Adelaide Football Club’s 2018 pre-season camp are continuing. Adelaide Football Club has been voluntarily assisting in providing information as requested by SafeWork SA. As this is an ongoing matter, we are unable to provide any further information at this time," the statement said.
The Crows' former chairman Rob Chapman has previously said that an internal review found that relationships within the football department had been affected by the camp, with the club also conceding from midway 2018 that some aspects could have been handled better and communicated better to the players.
The AFL integrity department did not sanction the club after investigating the camp and the AFL Players' Association did not take action.
The internal review into the club, led by former AFL greats Jason Dunstall and Matthew Pavlich, was held after coach Don Pyke resigned as coach at the end of 2019.
They subsequently appointed a new football manager in Adam Kelly and former Richmond utility Dan Jackson to run leadership and culture programs.
John Olsen recently succeeded the long-serving Chapman as chairman.
There are 19 players from the 2018 list who will be at the Crows in 2021.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/safework-sa-confirm-investigation-into-adelaide-crows-camp-20201205-p56kwl.html
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:lol
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The gift that keeps on giving
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Simpson broke down what went right and what went wrong across a tumultuous 2020 season.
“We hit a sweet spot, I think we won eight in a row after a poor start and six of those games were at home,” he told Sportsday WA.
“Then we lost to Richmond back up in Queensland and hit a difficult period where we lost probably eight or nine of our best 22 and we dropped two games and you go into the finals and we missed top four by percentage and we lost the first final by a point.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/01/12/eagles-coach-reflects-on-missed-opportunity-in-2020/
We broke another one ;D
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-brad-crouch-trade-matthew-nicks-amazon-documentary-making-their-mark-adelaide-crows-team-meeting-video/news-story/28cf1cc56639b38da757cdc6fe6cb057
Goes some way to explaining why Brad Crouch left the Crows. Nicks said indirectly pack your bags and leave if you don't want to defend.
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Pretty embarrassing for Brad Crouch. Surprised it's so obviously directed at him!!
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Well thats that then
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/adelaide-crows-cleared-over-controversial-2018-pre-season-camp/e19f1225-d482-4b5f-a17c-64476bd9402a
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There's actually a wikipedia page about this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Adelaide_Crows_pre-season_camp
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The directors of the company behind Adelaide's infamous 2018 pre-season camp exclusively reveal what happened and the catastrophic fallout.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-crows-camp-collective-mind-directors-amon-woulfe-and-derek-leddie-speak-to-graham-cornes/news-story/2bc14af7ff78b25e9ecdd61db5babe19
Nine Network and football reporters apologise to Collective Mind over Crows camp stories.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-adelaide-crows-preseason-training-camp-2018-nine-network-the-age-caroline-wilson-sam-mcclure-apologise/news-story/7c065a2b7e74f08baff2cc1ea478d7c9
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Sam Edmund reckons Eddie Betts' new biography spills the beans on what happened at Adelaide's camp and his own experience there.
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Ooo juicy. Can't wait.
The part about blokes having to crawl to a knife while being pulled back by dudes with ropes hurling abuse about their confidential lives sounds particularly good if true.
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Eddie Betts opens up about the power stance and the infamous Crows Camp :o.
A knife, a harness and the ‘power stance’: Eddie Betts reveals ‘cult-like’ training camp
A pre-season training camp for the Adelaide Crows left the AFL champion feeling ‘shattered’ and he says his complaints led to him being dropped from the club’s leadership group. He tells the story in a new autobiography.
By Jack Latimore
The Age
August 2, 2022
Former AFL champion Eddie Betts has revealed for the first time the trauma he felt after a “weird” and “completely disrespectful” leadership training camp he attended as an Adelaide Crows player in the 2018 pre-season.
In his autobiography, The Boy from Boomerang Crescent, to be released on Wednesday, the three-time All-Australian player says the secretive four-day camp held on the Gold Coast, run by a group he has chosen not to name, left him feeling “like a piece of me was brainwashed”.
In the book, Betts writes that confidential information he had given in a private counselling session on the camp had been misused, and that the camp co-opted sensitive Aboriginal cultural rituals that offended him, jeopardised the wellbeing of other, younger Indigenous players within the Crows’ playing squad, and affected his family life. He blames it for a lack of form in 2018 that ultimately prompted him to leave the Crows.
“The camp ended up appropriating a First Nations peoples’ ritual of a ‘talking stick’ and attempting to apply it to all of us, even the non-Indigenous players and coaches.
“In my view, the talking stick was used incorrectly, and I was not aware that any Elder had given permission for it to be used either.
“There was all sorts of weird poo that was disrespectful to many cultures, but particularly and extremely disrespectful to my culture,” Betts writes in the book.
Betts says he would have to live for the rest of his life with the shame of having participated in some of the more confronting exercises.
‘It all made me feel really sick’
Betts writes that his first “serious reservations” about the camp began after a compulsory hour-long psychological assessment, conducted over the phone by a person he understood to be a counsellor from the mind-training and leadership specialist group.
“We were told that we weren’t to do the interview with our partners in ear-shot and that the objective of the questions was to build a profile about us that we would work through on the camp,” Betts writes.
He says he opened up to the interviewer and divulged what he described as private life experiences, believing that it would assist the specialists to appreciate “the cultural complexities” of his life.
“I thought it would be used to build a profile about me that showed obstacles I’ve overcome to be successful and to play AFL.”
The red flag for Betts was when the interviewer tried to gain Betts’ confidence by claiming familiarity with Aboriginal culture: “He tried to make out as though he was like me, as though I should feel comfortable disclosing to him my trauma.”
Then 30 years old, Betts, who was part of the Adelaide club’s senior leadership group, says he was told the camp would do more than just invigorate his game-day performances. “I was told that I would come back a better husband and father, a better teammate and that I’d get a lot out of the camp,” he says.
However, the Wirangu, Kokatha and Guburn man, who is a father of five, says he returned with feelings of shame and humiliation that left him angry, paranoid, secretive and “feeling drained and lethargic”. Betts says the emotional fallout immediately began to harm his family relationships. His partner, Anna, noticed “the extent of my distress”, Betts writes. “Anna noticed I was starting to get snappy at the kids and I started getting really bad anxiety,” he says.
That’s when the couple sat down and spoke about what had happened.
The ‘power stance’
The Adelaide Crows began working with the leadership training group midway through the 2017 season, Betts writes.
“This mind training was centred, mainly, around us being ‘warriors’ – things like inner-voice, dominance, mindset.”
Betts was reluctant to buy into these early programs and their “one-size-fits-all approach” over players from diverse backgrounds. As a designated leader, Betts felt he needed to check in on the wellbeing of his younger Indigenous teammates.
After the Crows lost successive games in the 2017 season, Betts says the training group reviewed game videos and claimed they had identified where the playing squad had lost these games. At fault was the way players had run through the supporters’ banner onto the ground, they said.
“Apparently, our facial expressions weren’t up to game mode,” Betts writes. The playing group was made to practise their facial expressions, he says.
Another mind-training technique Betts found concerning was intended to emphasise the players’ masculinity. The exercise involved the players forming a circle, making eye contact with one another, and screaming obscenities. Betts says elements of the program make him cringe in hindsight.
“One of the young fullas said to me, ‘I see you as an Uncle. I don’t really like screaming “f--- you” at you’. In our culture, from a young age, our older people are a model of respect to our kids and we quickly learn to reciprocate that respect back towards our elders. In my view, some of the younger brothers were getting wala [angry] with these leadership specialists.”
“For me, it didn’t make any sense for the leadership specialists to try and increase my angry man energy, or whatever the f--- it was they were after.”
Betts writes that on the eve of the 2017 final series, the mind-training instructors devised and implemented a technique for the team to present itself after it had run through the club banner onto the playing pitch. They called it “the power stance”, Betts says, which meant all 22 Crows players and coach Don Pyke standing with their arms down, slightly away from their sides, in a commanding posture.
Betts says the choreographed stance, which was intended to intimidate the game-day opposition, was even practised at Crows training. The Crows deployed the trick before their qualifying and preliminary finals and came away from each of those games with the win, before slumping to a spectacular defeat in the grand final.
The grand final drubbing at the hands of the Richmond Tigers still haunts Betts, but he says some of that may stem from the techniques deployed by the instructors at pre-season training for the 2018 season.
“We had some weird sessions pop up. One consisted of us training while the Richmond club song blasted around AAMI Park while we did a gruelling running session.”
A harness and a knife
The technique geared up again when the squad was flown to a training camp on the Gold Coast in late January 2018, Betts says.
He recalls that the camp began normally enough with routine footy training drills, but soon the team was separated into groups, made to surrender their mobile phones and subjected to what he describes as a barrage of verbal abuse and psychological intimidation involving fake weapons.
According to Betts, players were then blindfolded, loaded onto a bus with papered-over windows and conveyed to an undisclosed location as the Richmond team song played on a loop loudly through the bus’s sound system. When the squad arrived at the secret destination, team members were instructed to remove their blindfolds.
Betts says the first thing they saw was a dozen or so burly men, all dressed in black, greeting them with the power stance.
The welcoming committee laid out the camp rules for the bemused players, Betts says.
“Things like, we weren’t allowed to shower ... we had to stay sweaty and smell ‘manly’. We also had to keep what they described as ‘noble silence’,” Betts writes.
Camp life, which Betts’ partner, Anna, later told him was “cult-like”, also involved an “initiation process” for each of the participants, an exercise Betts views as cultural appropriation of sensitive traditional Aboriginal ceremonies.
When the time came for Betts to be “initiated”, he says he was again informed that it would make him a man. He was put into a body harness with a rope attached and told to try and fight his way towards a knife to cut himself free while teammates holding the rope physically obstructed him. The initiation also involved the camp instructors hurling verbal abuse at him, he says.
“Things were yelled at me that I had disclosed to the camp’s ‘counsellors’ about my upbringing. All the people present heard these things,” Betts writes. “I was exhausted, drained and distressed about the details being shared. Another camp-dude jumped on my back and started to berate me about my mother, something so deeply personal that I was absolutely shattered to hear it come out of his mouth.”
At the end of the camp, the players were told that this exercise had provided each other with a safe space and that any issues affecting them were only to be shared with other group members.
“Then we started an exercise that consisted of role-playing our responses to our partners … One of the responses suggested to us was, ‘I feel like a better father and husband, having come from this camp.’”
But after sharing his experience with his partner, Betts developed an increasingly deeper sense of regret. He also spoke to his Aboriginal elders about some of the co-opted rituals, and the use of sacred and culturally sensitive words that were used at the camp. The conversations led to Betts and his partner approaching the club’s executives with their concerns.
Betts says he wanted to have the program discontinued to protect other Crows players from the same experiences and to establish an internal support network for some of the other players who Betts says were struggling.
“After a meeting with all the Blackfullas at the club, I decided to address the playing group and talk about how I found the camp, mainly addressing the cultural safety implications for us brothers. I sought permission to remove all the Aboriginal boys from any further interactions with the ‘leadership specialists’ and their mind-training exercises. I told the club I wouldn’t be involved in any more mind-training exercises at all.”
Three weeks later, Betts says he was dropped from the squad’s leadership group. The decision devastated him.
“It takes a lot of work for us Blackfullas to prove to other people that we’re capable of leading,” he says.
The Adelaide Crows Football Club declined to comment when contacted by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald.
The group that ran the camp has previously said it recognises “that some parts of the camp didn’t resonate with some players”. However, it said it had received overwhelmingly positive feedback from players and the club at the time, and that the group would have been “fired in an instant” if the camp had gone as badly wrong as some had suggested.
Betts says the effects on him continued into the 2018 season. His on-field form slumped with the four-time AFL goal-kicker of the year not kicking a single goal until round three. That season, the Crows failed to qualify for the finals series, and Betts says he was left questioning his playing future.
“Personally, I felt like I’d lost the drive to play footy, and to be honest, I’m not sure I ever had the same energy I did before that camp,” he writes.
At the end of the year, Betts left the Crows and South Australia to reunite with the Carlton Blues in Victoria, where he finished his 17-year playing career in 2021 at the club that gave the boy from Boomerang Crescent his debut.
In 2021, a SafeWork SA inquiry made no findings of any wrongdoing against the mind-training specialists.
The author of this article, Jack Latimore, did a “cultural edit” of Betts’ book, The Boy from Boomerang Crescent, published by Simon & Schuster Australia, released on Wednesday, August 3, 2022. Ali Clarke conducted the book’s research and interviews.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/a-knife-a-harness-and-the-power-stance-eddie-betts-reveals-cult-like-training-camp-20220801-p5b6ej.html
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The Betts Identity
This is nightmare stuff. If there were any good journalists left in the AFL they'd open this back up and heads would roll.
Somewhat off-topic, but curious to think about: would Tex Walker have been using racist slurs against teammates in 2021 were it not for this camp? Was that him unconsciously being "manly" as he was trained to do?
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Don Pike shouldn't be allowed into a afl club again shocking stuff yet the afl brushed it aside.
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Don Pike shouldn't be allowed into a afl club again shocking stuff yet the afl brushed it aside.
Everyone bar a couple of journos brushed it aside. One of them McClure was forced to apologise
How a govt agency in the SA = Worksafe (Nb not sure that's what it's called in SA) could investigate and say nothing happened, ticked off and let the AFC off scott free is disgraceful
Workplace bullying of the highest order
I remember a presser where Burton said the Tiger theme song wasn't played on loop....
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LMAO what a corker, feel sorry for the poor players a bit, but overall that is funny poo
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Not exactly new information but a very interesting and alarming personal account due to the cultural insensitivity.
Basket case they are
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I feel terrible for those blokes but...
Our song being blasted on a bus where they're all blind folded is comedy gold. Absolutely amazing
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I feel terrible for those blokes but...
Our song being blasted on a bus where they're all blind folded is comedy gold. Absolutely amazing
At least it was the best team song they had to listen to.
Imagine if they had to listen to that crap GWS circus song
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I like the GWS song. 100000 times better than the suns, eagles and dockers songs. Atleast has the old school show tune theme to it like the VFL sides (not including saints who are up there with having the worst song).
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ADELAIDE chief executive Tim Silvers has publicly and privately apologised to Eddie Betts for the trauma the AFL great suffered during the Crows' ill-fated pre-season camp.
Silvers told reporters at the club's West Lakes headquarters that he had reached out to Betts via text on Wednesday morning after bombshell revelations about the controversial 2018 training camp came to light with the release of Betts' autobiography.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/812219/updated-we-would-like-to-say-sorry-crows-apologise-to-betts-over-camp#:~:text=ADELAIDE%20chief%20executive%20Tim%20Silvers,%2Dfated%20pre%2Dseason%20camp.
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The AFLPA has now released a statement, saying "much of the information detailed in Eddie's book about the camp is new information to the AFLPA."
Says it is "extremely concerned" and will be contacting "all Adelaide players from 2018 to seek a better understanding".
https://twitter.com/DavidZita1/status/1554741720373694464
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https://twitter.com/triplemfooty/status/1554722722936426496
Well said Dale Thomas.
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Dunno what the AFLPA is going on about this is all known stuff for years.
Agree re: Daisy
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Dunno what the AFLPA is going on about this is all known stuff for years.
Agree re: Daisy
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This
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AFL the master of sweeping things under the carpet another one on Gills guard and people say he did a great job lol.
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AFL the master of sweeping things under the carpet another one on Gills guard and people say he did a great job lol.
Gil says he's confident he left the game in better shape haha
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Adelaide should be hit with draft penalties as an example to all the other clubs not to do this poo.
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Correct Ramps.
My question is why did betts hang around sign contract extensions if he hated the pricks?
Terrible story that is sure to sell a few extra books.. Just saying.
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LOL it always brings a smile to my face
(https://imageresizer.static9.net.au/r056wLyUdSANWR0QgIxBlFeWMIA=/700x0/https%3A%2F%2Fprod.static9.net.au%2Ffs%2F9841b4a1-c488-4817-9849-edaa7ccc5e27)
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Correct Ramps.
My question is why did betts hang around sign contract extensions if he hated the pricks?
Terrible story that is sure to sell a few extra books.. Just saying.
Ahhhh, at the end of 2019, he’s left the club and gone to the Blues.
Thank god people like Eddie exist in football. Hold the bastards accountable for the crap they do.
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Correct Ramps.
My question is why did betts hang around sign contract extensions if he hated the pricks?
Terrible story that is sure to sell a few extra books.. Just saying.
Ahhhh, at the end of 2019, he’s left the club and gone to the Blues.
Thank god people like Eddie exist in football. Hold the bastards accountable for the crap they do.
agree but what is going to happen? SFA just like the supplements fiasco. Evans was it got the heads up from someone. The place is as corrupt as you can get.
They make me laugh the AFL, yet some thought demetriou was bad. :lol :lol
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Correct Ramps.
My question is why did betts hang around sign contract extensions if he hated the pricks?
Terrible story that is sure to sell a few extra books.. Just saying.
He joined the Crows on a 4 year deal in 2014; it took in 2014,15,16 and 2017
He re-signed during 2017 before the infamous camp in 2018
Being a contracted player to get out of Adelaide had to agree to trade him. In 2019 they did
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Correct Ramps.
My question is why did betts hang around sign contract extensions if he hated the pricks?
Terrible story that is sure to sell a few extra books.. Just saying.
He joined the Crows on a 4 year deal in 2014; it took in 2014,15,16 and 2017
He re-signed during 2017 before the infamous camp in 2018
Being a contracted player to get out of Adelaide had to agree to trade him. In 2019 they did
Interesting. My good friend over there tells me today that he signed after the camp.
Maybe he hoped he did.
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LOL it always brings a smile to my face
(https://imageresizer.static9.net.au/r056wLyUdSANWR0QgIxBlFeWMIA=/700x0/https%3A%2F%2Fprod.static9.net.au%2Ffs%2F9841b4a1-c488-4817-9849-edaa7ccc5e27)
:lol
one of the finest pictures you will see. If i recall these 3 stooges or at least 2 of them were the ones who came out straight away and said the camp was great and taught them a lot.
Its safe to say they wont be any good coaching.
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LOL it always brings a smile to my face
(https://imageresizer.static9.net.au/r056wLyUdSANWR0QgIxBlFeWMIA=/700x0/https%3A%2F%2Fprod.static9.net.au%2Ffs%2F9841b4a1-c488-4817-9849-edaa7ccc5e27)
:lol
one of the finest pictures you will see. If i recall these 3 stooges or at least 2 of them were the ones who came out straight away and said the camp was great and taught them a lot.
Its safe to say they wont be any good coaching.
Not only that a embarrassment to the national anthem in that position.
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So everyone is now coming out to say sorry, including Gil as CEO of the AFL.
Honestly this whole thing is disgusting. Even stuffing work safe went and had a look. All this information was known years ago (bar the specifics from Eddie's point of view re: his family etc). We know about the disclosure of personal issues to be used as abuse and whatnot.
Totally disgusted that the club, CM, work safe and the AFL didn't have to balls the hit this on the head until someone kicked the hornets next. It makes them all look bereft of competence and humanity.
Work safe should have fined the club for endangering the players psychological health and the AFL should have stripped them of draft picks.
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Gil the dil has apologised so all is forgiven. That is how it works isnt it in the corporate world these days? :nope
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The firm that arranged the camp that took the Age (I think) to court and Caroline Wilson etc. will they be taking Eddie Betts to court now?
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Now the afl apologies lol because it's blown in there face incompetent and corrupt.
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Josh Jenkins' full statement about the Adelaide camp. Didn't hold back either.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/05/josh-jenkins-full-statement-on-the-adelaide-crows-2018-pre-season-camp/
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The AFL's penchant for "brand management" above all else never ceases to amaze.
A shout out to Dangerfield too--lots of self-congratulatory little boys in the AFL who like to pretend they are doing important real-world work when they have status in name only. He's another one, coming out and covering his ass at present with the rest. Happy to strut around holding the position but gets defensive at the first suggestion he should take some responsibility.
Someone has to tell these wannabes: It's not enough to hold a position. You have to uphold it too.
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The Adelaide Football club broke their own players.
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What did everyone expect from a cheating club that should’ve been disbanded and removed from the AFL for trying to rig the system.
That goes for all the cheating clubs out there. Disgraceful.
This is why these cheating clubs can never be trusted. Blue Scum Cheats, Essendrug, Dees, West Coke all stinking cheats and should never be trusted again. I for one would not support them nor play for any of them.
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Josh Jenkins' full statement about the Adelaide camp. Didn't hold back either.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/05/josh-jenkins-full-statement-on-the-adelaide-crows-2018-pre-season-camp/
Damning!
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The funny thing is that Jacob Townsend was the hardest player on the ground that day (that tackle), but if he'd been an Adelaide player they would have tied him to a tree and had his teammates berate him for having a stammer to make him more "manly."
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There something somewhere about a doctors medical report that was deliberately hidden. Investigation should be opened and if found true the Adelaide should be stripped of its 1st round national draft pick.
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‘We got it wrong’: Don Pyke apologises for Adelaide training camp
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/it-ended-careers-bryce-gibbs-reveals-regrets-around-adelaide-crows-controversial-camp-20220806-p5b7rc.html
Adelaide lawyer Greg Griffin has said at least seven players have approached him with the thought of taking a class action to seek damages for the effect the camp had on them and their careers, however he did not reveal the players expressing interest on being part of the claim.
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Now they are all apologising?
Cowards.
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‘Knew something wasn’t right’: Tex says he did everything he could after controversial camp
Adelaide veteran Taylor Walker says it’s “upsetting” to hear the distress past players feel towards the infamous 2018 pre-season camp, but insists he did everything he could as captain at the time to address “fractures” within the group.
Reflecting on the fallout at West Lakes in 2018, Walker acknowledged it was a turbulent period at the club despite his best efforts.
“I can put my head on the pillow at night, and put my hand on my heart and say that I did everything I could,” he told Triple M.
“I knew something was not right post the camp, I knew blokes weren’t feeling that great about it, there were fractures within the group like some of the boys have said … and I was having one-on-one meetings, I was having some confidential meetings at my house to try and work out exactly the path to take, and I can honestly say that I did everything I could to try and fix it.”
Walker maintains that he still took a “positive experience” away from it, but admitted it was tough hearing his ex-teammate’s disturbing accounts.
“Yeah I sit here as captain at the time of the footy club, and those boys being past players … not great to be honest. It’s quite upsetting to hear that those guys are still feeling the effects of the camp,” Walker said.
“What I will say is that, the camp, a lot of people took different things out of it and I personally, I’ve said it, I took a positive experience out of it… but that does not take away from the feelings of hurt that those boys are going through at the moment.”
And Walker suggested the scrutiny hadn’t affected the vibe at the Crows, estimating “10-2o per cent” of people who attended the camp remained at the club.
“Our mantra is prioritising others and we’re certainly doing that to the best of our ability,” he said.
“As a footy club we still have to work through this, because sitting here you don’t like hearing that past players are feeling that way,” he said.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/adelaide-crows/afl-news-2022-taylor-walker-speaks-on-adelaide-crows-preseason-camp-former-captain-fractures-in-playing-group-eddie-betts-josh-jenkins-bryce-gibbs/news-story/5f3ec2403db128d183947724c87bc096
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Spoken like a true Manchurian Candidate.
THE. CAMP. MADE. ME. A. BETTER. FATHER. AND. HUSBAND.
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When you declare, with hand on heart, that you did everything possible to fix the problem ... that means it's somebody else's fault! ::)
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Fogarty was probably too young (only arrived on the list end of 2017), but I reckon I wouldn't take any older Crows player who was on that camp in a trade, etc. You just never know, they could unconsciously kick a point to lose a grand final. Couldn't imagine them walking through the doors at Punt Road for the first time--it would be a little embarrassing I reckon.