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Title: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Andyy on September 20, 2019, 11:15:25 PM
Maybe slightly dependent on opponent, but for me:

Out:
Nank (too slow, unfit, not capable enough)
Graham (shoulder)

In:
Balta or Chol, depending on the game tomorrow?
One of KMac, Pickett or Ross.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: mightytiges on September 21, 2019, 12:52:42 AM
Interesting to see who we bring in for Graham. Trying to think who is next in line out the mids in our VFL side and as far as inside mids it's the likes of Towner, Ross and Pickett.

Alternatively, Floss moves into the midfield to replace Graham and we bring in a backman instead to play Floss' role. However, that may unbalance the connection in our defence as far as quality intercept options, especially if Broad misses with concussion as well. Floss is a gun back there. Obviously there's a guy called Stack who has shown he can play well in defence who is trying to make a last minute shot at returning quickly after his ankle injury. McIntosh will be the other experienced option. Eggy has been in good form in the VFL but it's a big ask to bring him in to an AFL Grand Final.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Diocletian on September 21, 2019, 01:45:18 AM
In: Ross, Balta/Chol

Out: Graham, Nankervis

Stack or Pickett should come in for Shorsteps but won't  No doubt the usual suspects who thought he as good last match will say so again and like last match it will be based on his flashy front running once the opposition's pressure dropped right off, while they completely ignore the turnovers, panic and complete lack of defensive accountability that led to at least 3 Geelong goals when they were well on top in the first half..not to mention the 4th goal he gave away for a clumsy head high in the third quarter for good measure....#downhillchamp :shh



Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: big tone on September 21, 2019, 02:06:41 AM
Ins- Rioli
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on September 21, 2019, 02:45:43 AM
What a story if Pickett could come in and play his first game in the Grand Final  :rollin
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Diocletian on September 21, 2019, 02:52:15 AM
Apparently the club's considering resting a few for the VFL Granny in case they need to play next week....not sure that's altogether wise... :shh
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2019, 06:32:10 AM
Several VFL Tigers a 'strong possibility' to be rested due to key AFL injuries

AFL.com.au
Riley Beveridge
Sep 21, 2019


RICHMOND will consider resting a host of players from Sunday's VFL Grand Final, as it waits on the extent of injuries to midfielder Jack Graham and defender Nathan Broad.

The Tigers bravely fought from 21 points down to overcome that Cats on Friday night, qualifying for their second AFL Grand Final in three years with a 19-point win.

It did so despite Graham being hampered by a dislocated shoulder sustained in the first term and having lost Broad to a nasty concussion late in the third quarter.

Graham soldiered on, though will have scans on his injured shoulder in the coming days, with the Tigers currently unsure over the damage he sustained in the opening stages.

Meanwhile, Broad didn't return after copping some friendly fire from Jayden Short.

Richmond will subsequently consider holding players from this Sunday's VFL Grand Final against Williamstown, with an eye on next Saturday's crucial AFL premiership decider.

Mabior Chol, Dan Butler, Jack Ross and Marlion Pickett were the club's four emergencies for Friday night's game and could therefore find themselves as the most likely to be withdrawn.

"It's a strong possibility," Hardwick said on Friday evening.

"We'll go back tonight and figure it out. We're not too sure with Jack … and Nathan was obviously ruled out with concussion. (But) we've got an eight-day break, so we'll assess those guys and give you the information as soon as we've got it."

Sydney Stack will feature in Sunday's VFL Grand Final, attempting to reclaim his place in the senior side having made a remarkable five-week recovery from a syndesmosis injury.

As for what he needs to do to earn his spot, a jovial Hardwick set his expectations high.

"What does he have to do? Just six goals would be nice," Hardwick laughed.

"(But) I'm not too sure. We thought our boys played pretty well tonight. Once again, we'll take stock, review the game, take a look at Sunday and figure it out."

Richmond superstar Dustin Martin and captain Trent Cotchin also looked ginger throughout the first half, though Hardwick quickly extinguished any concerns over their availability.

Martin appeared to cop a cork in the early stages of the game, though played out the match, while Cotchin returned after sustaining a kick to his leg from Joel Selwood.

"(Trent) is all fine," Hardwick said.

"He cops knocks every week, it's the way he plays. He's a ballistic player, so his physicality is something that does inspire, but it also gets him hurt every now and then.

"(Dustin) is fine. He's all good."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/tigers-lose-premiership-defender-for-final-quarter
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: georgies31 on September 21, 2019, 07:45:20 AM
Broad will be fine tuff as nails.I hope Graham is to we need him I don't think he is to bad.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 21, 2019, 12:16:38 PM
You would think broad would be fine with 8 days rest although everyone recovers differently from concussion.

If graham misses out which looks likely then the most like for like replacement would be Ross although if stack gets through the game on Sunday I’d find it hard not to bring him in instead.

Other than that I think the only other change we need to look at is the rucks. Second ruck is a tough role with limited time on ground to get into the groove. I will always think that your second ruck should be a very capable forward which I don’t see in nank. Looks like soldo has claimed the no.1 ruck role and deservingly so given his performances so I would consider Balta/Chol for nank depending on the opposition and how vfl granny goes.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2019, 03:39:33 PM
Jack Ross is the like-for-like swap for Graham, while Sydney Stack will return for the Tigers in the VFL tomorrow and could push his case if he proves his fitness.

Nathan Broad is the other issue and was ruled out with a concussion suffered in the second half. If Broad is unavailable, his replacement may depend on whether they’re facing GWS or Collingwood.

The Giants boast a tall forward line, which could see the Tigers go to another key defender like Ryan Garthwaite, otherwise they may have to roll the dice with Stack or turn to someone like Kamdyn McIntosh.

Source: SEN (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/09/21/broad-believes-hell-be-fine-following-prelim-concussion/)
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2019, 03:41:10 PM
Richo reckons tomorrow we'll time manage those in the running for a senior spot rather than not playing them at all in the VFL GF.
Title: Tigers consider handing Marlion Pickett an historic grand final debut (Age)
Post by: one-eyed on September 21, 2019, 09:41:26 PM
Tigers consider handing Marlion Pickett an historic grand final debut

Jon Pierik, Jake Niall
The Age
21 September 2019


Graham's injury means there are likely to be players held out of the Tigers line-up for Sunday's VFL grand final.

Sydney Stack, having recovered from a syndesmosis injury, was left out of the side on Saturday night. Jack Ross and indigenous rookie Marlion Pickett were also likely to be rested, for they, along with Stack, are potential candidates to replace Graham if he is not available.

Pickett, 27, would be an amazing story should he be handed an AFL debut. The midfielder spent more than two years in jail in his teenage years, including for burglary, is a father of four, and had been overlooked by several clubs until the Tigers took a chance on the South Fremantle product in the relaunched mid-year draft.

He has been close to senior selection for several weeks. Should Pickett play, he would be the first man to make his senior debut in a grand final since Keith Batchelor in Collingwood’s loss to Geelong in 1952, and only the second since 1926.

Ross has played seven senior matches since debuting against Port Adelaide in round four, the latest in round 22 against the West Coast Eagles.

Broad, who also played in the 2017 premiership, was knocked out by friendly fire and the Tigers say he will be tested through the week. Mabior Chol and Dan Butler, the latter a part of the '17 triumph, were two of the four emergencies on Friday night and could also find themselves in grand final contention.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-consider-handing-marlion-pickett-an-historic-grand-final-debut-20190921-p52tkc.html
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: georgies31 on September 22, 2019, 03:43:46 AM
If you told me 2 weeks ago I would say ruck combo of Soldo and Nank,but Nank is slow looks unfit not taking marks etc.Chol has to be considered.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: eliminator on September 22, 2019, 09:40:16 AM
Although Nank is not at his best. His tackling and aggression have been good. He has now got two tough games under his belt which he will greatly benefit from. Need him to curb aggression of Mumford.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 23, 2019, 01:30:04 AM
pickett has to be odds on now to replace graham

he has one thing that kmac and ross lack....skillful disposal

dimma is busting to pick him
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 23, 2019, 06:46:07 AM
pickett has to be odds on now to replace graham

he has one thing that kmac and ross lack....skillful disposal

dimma is busting to pick him

Error NO, still long odds
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: big tone on September 23, 2019, 07:36:45 AM
pickett has to be odds on now to replace graham

he has one thing that kmac and ross lack....skillful disposal

dimma is busting to pick him
No chance
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Rampsation on September 23, 2019, 08:10:57 AM
I think McIntosh will play.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on September 23, 2019, 09:14:52 AM
Pickett looked good yesterday and several weeks ago I would've been keen for him to get a call up but it's too late now it's a GF not a qualifying final. He may have been awarded best on ground but I'm not 100% convinced he is what we need for Saturday

 I want to see someone like Macca who has been there before and can execute.

FWIW I'm not 100% on the dual ruck combo, cos I feel that we lose leg speed with two.
What are people thoughts on that?
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Andyy on September 23, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
Pickett looked good yesterday and several weeks ago I would've been keen for him to get a call up but it's too late now it's a GF not a qualifying final. He may have been awarded best on ground but I'm not 100% convinced he is what we need for Saturday

 I want to see someone like Macca who has been there before and can execute.

FWIW I'm not 100% on the dual ruck combo, cos I feel that we lose leg speed with two.
What are people thoughts on that?

Big no from me. Nank didn't look up to it.

Soldo + Balta. Soldo to mostly ruck, Balta to relieve + cover Mumford around the ground (IE run circles around him). Chol even. But no to Nank, he's too slow.

Graham out for me. KMac in is my first preference, then maybe Ross.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: blaisee on September 23, 2019, 12:02:30 PM
I think McIntosh will play.

for whom?
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: 1965 on September 23, 2019, 12:09:24 PM
I think McIntosh will play.

for whom?
Jack Graham
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Diocletian on September 23, 2019, 12:29:44 PM
I'd say Ross is coverage for Graham & McIntosh is coverage for Broad... :shh
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 23, 2019, 12:30:35 PM
Pickett looked good yesterday and several weeks ago I would've been keen for him to get a call up but it's too late now it's a GF not a qualifying final. He may have been awarded best on ground but I'm not 100% convinced he is what we need for Saturday

 I want to see someone like Macca who has been there before and can execute.

FWIW I'm not 100% on the dual ruck combo, cos I feel that we lose leg speed with two.
What are people thoughts on that?

Big no from me. Nank didn't look up to it.

Soldo + Balta. Soldo to mostly ruck, Balta to relieve + cover Mumford around the ground (IE run circles around him). Chol even. But no to Nank, he's too slow.

Graham out for me. KMac in is my first preference, then maybe Ross.
I love the narrative of Pickett playing in the GF but realistically we cannot possibly have a guy debut in a bloody GF.

I'd probably have Soldo and Chol rather than Balta, I think Chol's been the more likely forward throughout the season.

Ross feels like the obvious replacement for Graham, but Kmac does have the credits in the bank, so I'd be tempted to go with him as well.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: RedanTiger on September 23, 2019, 04:14:18 PM
Think we need to keep Nank in for Mumford.

Ross in for GRaham.
McIntosh back up in case for Broad.

Pickett in for either of Rioli or Bolton, probably Rioli.
Been very ordinary for a while and Bolton has shown some very brief glimpses.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: georgies31 on September 23, 2019, 04:52:26 PM
I would say lucky one change that's all.Broad be fine.I was in the camp to replace Nank ,but he will be better for the run and need him against Mumford to and was hoping Chol play a blinder in vfl.A few guys need to lift Jack,Rioli and Lambert to.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Diocletian on September 23, 2019, 05:33:53 PM
The only changes will be forced ones...might've been a different story had we been playing Collingwood.... :shh
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 23, 2019, 06:36:37 PM
exactly... and if graham is passed fit there will be NO change...broad will be 100%
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: big tone on September 23, 2019, 10:08:58 PM
McIntosh in for Graham is the smart move IMO.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 23, 2019, 11:35:23 PM
"We'll definitely have a lot that we can go to and we've shown this year that it doesn't really matter who's out there playing, We can still play our system and it works." - Prestia.

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/27675777/fringe-tigers-ready-afl-grand-final
Title: Why Tigers should resist the urge to debut Pickett (West Aust.)
Post by: one-eyed on September 24, 2019, 03:07:20 AM
Why Tigers should resist the urge to debut Pickett

Mitch Woodcock
West Australian
24 September 2019


Hawthorn premiership defender Campbell Brown has called for Richmond to resist the urge to give Marlion Pickett a fairy tale grand final debut this Saturday.

The South Fremantle product won the Norm Goss Medal for a best-on-ground performance in the Tigers’ three-point VFL grand final win over Williamstown.

Pickett had 20 disposals, nine tackles and a goal in the victory, adding further weight to the calls for the 27-year-old to come into the side should premiership player Jack Graham not be available because of his dislocated shoulder.

Brown, who played 159 games for the Hawks and 46 for the Gold Coast Suns, said if he was coach Damien Hardwick he would not be selecting Pickett this week.

“I know exactly what I would be doing if I was Dimma. I wouldn’t be bringing in Pickett, as good as he was,” Brown told SEN.

“He was the best man on the ground, but it was not like he had an absolute blinder.

“I wouldn’t bring in a player to play his first AFL game in a grand final irrespective of him being 27 years of age and having a lot of experience.

“I would bring in Jacob Townsend as a defensive forward to play finger in the back on Nick Haynes and just terrorise him. He is hard, he’s tough, he can take a mark above his head.

“Jacob Townsend can kick a goal, we have already seen that, he can take a mark and he is tough and that’s what wins grand finals.”

If Pickett was to play at the MCG on Saturday he would become the first player in 67 years to make their debut in a grand final.

“It would mean a lot (to play in a AFL grand final) but if it happens I’ll be over the moon. But if it doesn’t, I am not too fussed about it,” Pickett said after the VFL grand final.

Fellow West Australian Sydney Stack is also unlikely to earn a recall for the decider after seemingly re-injuring his ankle in his first game back after a five-week layoff.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/richmond-tigers/afl-grand-final-campbell-brown-says-richmond-should-resist-the-urge-to-debut-marlion-pickett-ng-b881332033z
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 24, 2019, 11:11:07 AM
load of crap....have ross and kmac performed better than pickett during the vfl finals???
have they shown more courage or skill than pickett during the finals??

pickett would be no worse than any other inclusion if graham doesnt come up...
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 24, 2019, 12:14:47 PM
Grand Final injuries: Tigers have reason to be cheerful

Glenn McFarlane, Jon Anderson,
Herald Sun
24 Sept. 2019


Richmond defender Dylan Grimes is growing in confidence teammates Nathan Broad (concussion) and Jack Graham (dislocated shoulder) can overcome their issues to play in Saturday’s AFL Grand Final against Greater Western Sydney.

Both Broad and Graham took to the track this morning for a light session at Punt Rd in a positive sign for their chances.

Graham’s shoulder was heavily strapped and he didn’t complete one shoulder stretch drill, but he won’t be pushed hard until Thursday’s session which will determine whether the pair play.

He did train without any noticeable discomfort and took a few marks overhead late in the session.

Broad completed all the drills and is firming to play, while a handful of Tigers on standby including Sydney Stack and Marlion Pickett also trained today.

Asked about Broad, Grimes said: “He’s In good spirits and seems back to normal.”

“I’m not sure if he has passed the testing and that sort of stuff yet but from taking to himself before he seems back on earth which is a good result.”

Grimes said Graham told him earlier today that he would be fit to take on the Giants.

“I’m really shocked how good he is looking ... all the signs are positives. We hope to see him out there because he is such an important player for us,” he said.

Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin, who copped knocks in the preliminary final, trained without any discomfort.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/afl-grand-final-injury-news-jack-graham-pushing-to-play-after-shoulder-injury-stephen-coniglio-5050/news-story/622f86dcb46ebcfb3e6626fb27638f65
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 24, 2019, 01:37:26 PM
Broad trained fully in Tuesday's session, at least until it was closed to media, alongside Graham who had heavy strapping on his shoulder.

The midfield bull appeared to comfortably take marks in front of him as well as pick up ground balls, but only partially extended his injured arm while stretching.

Livewire utility Sydney Stack's hopes of a shock AFL Grand Final recall appear distant, only walking laps and completing handball drills.

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-09-24/broad-graham-hit-the-training-track-in-bid-to-play
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 24, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
load of crap....have ross and kmac performed better than pickett during the vfl finals???
have they shown more courage or skill than pickett during the finals??

pickett would be no worse than any other inclusion if graham doesnt come up...

Yup Pickett has performed well but vfl is not afl and throwing someone in for their debut without knowing how they can run out a game (Pickett struggled to stay in the game for 4 qtrs in the vfl finals) and how they’ll perform is a massive risk. You ask whether Ross or kmac performed better than Pickett in the vfl but has Pickett performed better than either of them at AFL level?
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: TigerLand on September 24, 2019, 03:09:12 PM
I think Graham will play.

If it pops out again he has history of being able to make decent impact with it restrapped and a jab.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 24, 2019, 03:10:36 PM
load of crap....have ross and kmac performed better than pickett during the vfl finals???
have they shown more courage or skill than pickett during the finals??

pickett would be no worse than any other inclusion if graham doesnt come up...

Yup Pickett has performed well but vfl is not afl and throwing someone in for their debut without knowing how they can run out a game (Pickett struggled to stay in the game for 4 qtrs in the vfl finals) and how they’ll perform is a massive risk. You ask whether Ross or kmac performed better than Pickett in the vfl but has Pickett performed better than either of them at AFL level?

cant answer that obviously...but im sure he would play at a higher level with higher calibre players around him...9 tackles is graham like and that mark he took running into the pack a couple of weeks ago shows what he's all about... anyway pretty sure graham will play so we'll see how he goes next year...
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: pmac21 on September 24, 2019, 04:23:32 PM
Out: Graham (sad face)
In:  I would go with Ross as he is a high disposal player.  McIntosh to play if they want more defensive cover. 
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: georgies31 on September 24, 2019, 04:35:59 PM
How has Ross form been in vfl ?.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 24, 2019, 04:51:03 PM
How has Ross form been in vfl ?.
turnover king
there was a reason both he and kmac got dropped....now suddenly people think theyre superstars...get ready for pickett :thumbsup
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: georgies31 on September 24, 2019, 04:54:22 PM
Ross had one ad game against eagles and was rushed back.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 24, 2019, 08:17:57 PM
Dimma just said on afl360 that broad passed his concussion test today and will play  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: mightytiges on September 25, 2019, 02:36:15 AM
Dimma just said on afl360 that broad passed his concussion test today and will play  :thumbsup
That's great news. Cheers TK  :cheers.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: H Tiger on September 25, 2019, 03:17:34 AM
I feel a little sorry for Chronicles, reluctant to be pulled from the VFL GF as cover and now probably no chance of playing in the AFL GF.

Is he looking at new clubs next week?
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: eliminator on September 25, 2019, 06:34:12 AM
Feel for Graham. Hope team lift for him. Graham's tackling and pressure are outstanding. His replacement must have the same attributes.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 25, 2019, 07:07:02 AM
I feel a little sorry for Chronicles, reluctant to be pulled from the VFL GF as cover and now probably no chance of playing in the AFL GF.

Is he looking at new clubs next week?

Who is cronicles? Kmac?

I hope I'm wrong about Ross but what I saw in his last massive hit out against the eagles I think? is a kid who can't handle pressure just yet

You have the back the club whoever they choose.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 25, 2019, 07:29:47 AM
I feel a little sorry for Chronicles, reluctant to be pulled from the VFL GF as cover and now probably no chance of playing in the AFL GF.

Is he looking at new clubs next week?

Who is cronicles? Kmac?

I hope I'm wrong about Ross but what I saw in his last massive hit out against the eagles I think? is a kid who can't handle pressure just yet

You have the back the club whoever they choose.
100% correct...hence all the turnovers. Ross aint ready yet...its Kmac or Pickett...Im telling you now Dimma will play Pickett...its so obvious
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 25, 2019, 08:28:17 AM
I feel a little sorry for Chronicles, reluctant to be pulled from the VFL GF as cover and now probably no chance of playing in the AFL GF.

Is he looking at new clubs next week?

Who is cronicles? Kmac?

I hope I'm wrong about Ross but what I saw in his last massive hit out against the eagles I think? is a kid who can't handle pressure just yet

You have the back the club whoever they choose.
100% correct...hence all the turnovers. Ross aint ready yet...its Kmac or Pickett...Im telling you now Dimma will play Pickett...its so obvious

You’ve been saying that for over a month now lol
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 25, 2019, 09:43:23 AM
He'll be right eventually

Definitely feel for Ross/KMac if neither of them play. At least one of them is missing out on a medal this year
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 25, 2019, 01:12:10 PM
SEN reporting that Houli has said he expects Ross to replace Graham.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: mightytiges on September 25, 2019, 02:02:57 PM
All choices to replace Graham are a risk.

Ross would be a like-for-like swap but I just don't think he is in the form at VFL level to warrant promotion. His best footy was earlier in the season prior to the injury. Not unusual for first year inside mids to tire by the end of a long season.

McIntosh would be the 'safer' pick in terms of experience and handling the pressure as he's been there done that in 2017. He also adds versatility given GWS playing tall forward of centre. However, he isn't an inside mid so it isn't a direct swap and our midfield and defence would have to be reshuffled even slightly by this one change. Not really the time to alter your team structure.

Pickett is another like-for-like swap but is an unknown at AFL level. The tempo is much faster to VFL normally in a H/A game let alone throwing a newbie into the cauldron of an AFL Grand Final where time and space is barely existent.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Diocletian on September 25, 2019, 02:10:58 PM
Townsend a sneaky chance... :shh
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 25, 2019, 02:22:00 PM
to run through mumford????

YES please

that prick is going to do a lynch

Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: eliminator on September 25, 2019, 03:10:20 PM
All choices to replace Graham are a risk.

Ross would be a like-for-like swap but I just don't think he is in the form at VFL level to warrant promotion. His best footy was earlier in the season prior to the injury. Not unusual for first year inside mids to tire by the end of a long season.

McIntosh would be the 'safer' pick in terms of experience and handling the pressure as he's been there done that in 2017. He also adds versatility given GWS playing tall forward of centre. However, he isn't an inside mid so it isn't a direct swap and our midfield and defence would have to be reshuffled even slightly by this one change. Not really the time to alter your team structure.

Pickett is another like-for-like swap but is an unknown at AFL level. The tempo is much faster to VFL normally in a H/A game let alone throwing a newbie into the cauldron of an AFL Grand Final where time and space is barely existent.

Who of the three is best tackler?
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Diocletian on September 25, 2019, 03:30:52 PM
Probably Pickett followed closely by Ross...though he's improved somewhat in that are, McIntosh is still a fairly poor tackler, particularly for his size... :shh

to run through mumford????

YES please

that prick is going to do a lynch



You mean Cameron? Can't see Mumford kicking a bag.... :shh
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Gracie on September 25, 2019, 03:45:56 PM
to run through mumford????

YES please

that prick is going to do a lynch

If Townsend comes in I would like to see him have a few run throughs on De Boer. Soldo and Nank can handle Mumford
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 25, 2019, 03:52:01 PM
I wanna see Brave Brando go out in a blaze of glory. 6 week late start to his GC career courtesy of a kung fu boot to Toby Greene's mug.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 25, 2019, 05:13:48 PM
'He's built for AFL football': Did Bachar give away Tigers' Grand Final changes?

AFL.com.au
Sarah Black
Sep 25, 2019


BACHAR Houli has declared young Richmond teammate Jack Ross is "built for AFL football", as the 19-year-old looms as a possible Grand Final replacement for the injured Jack Graham.

Graham was ruled out on Tuesday ahead of the decider against Greater Western Sydney, the dislocated right shoulder suffered last Friday night proving to be too big a hurdle to overcome.

Midfielder Ross has played seven games in his debut season, which was interrupted by a serious ankle syndesmosis injury that sidelined him for 11 weeks mid-year.

Averaging 17 disposals and three clearances a match in his AFL career to date, Ross, along with Kamdyn McIntosh, was held over from the VFL premiership win on Sunday in preparation for this weekend.

"I haven't really had a proper word with him yet, but he's built for AFL football. We saw him come in before he hurt his ankle, and he was a solid performer," Houli said.

"He accumulated possessions, and more importantly [showed] hardness at the football, that's what finals football is built upon. It's about contested ball, putting your body on the line and sacrificing for your teammates.

"He's very similar to Jacky Graham as well. Does he come in? Him and Jack are similar players, but I'm sure whoever comes in will be well prepared and well supported by the rest of the playing group."

With Graham now sidelined after playing a crucial part in the preliminary final win over Geelong, Houli enthusiastically threw his support behind the idea of giving all players from the flag-winning club premiership medals, rather than just the 22 who play the game itself.

"Oh yeah, absolutely, I'm all for it. A guy like Alex Rance – who I can't speak enough of and his contribution to the football club – I'm sure if we win, there'll be some sort of medal around his neck, from a player or coaching staff.

"To make 22 or 23 medals, let's make 44 or 45, everyone's happy. But then again, the VFL won a premiership, so is it fair they take home two medals?" Houli asked with a laugh.

"We truly mean this, it's not about the 22 players. We've got something very significant with our football club, a photo which signifies us as a unified group. [We're] with our wider team members celebrating the (2017) cup and also the members, who we're very proud of as well, the Tiger army."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-25/hes-built-for-afl-football-did-bachar-give-away-tigers-grand-final-changes
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: eliminator on September 25, 2019, 05:35:44 PM
Probably Pickett followed closely by Ross...though he's improved somewhat in that are, McIntosh is still a fairly poor tackler, particularly for his size... :shh

Thank-you.

to run through mumford????

YES please

that prick is going to do a lynch



You mean Cameron? Can't see Mumford kicking a bag.... :shh
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 25, 2019, 07:12:14 PM
Tom Browne on Ch7 news tonight stating the obvious. That the choice is down to four: Ross (like-for-like), McIntosh (versatility), Stack (17 games this year) & Pickett (b.o.g. VFL GF).

https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1176781003165073408

Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: torch on September 26, 2019, 01:03:53 AM
2017 GF Team v 2019 GF Team

OUT                 IN

Rance               Short
Grigg                Soldo
Townsend          Bolton
Butler                Lynch
Graham             Pickett
McIntosh           Baker
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 26, 2019, 11:24:42 AM
Tom Browne @TomBrowne7

The tigers really are undecided Pickett, Ross or McIntosh. Tigers scouts think Pickett relished big time games in WA. They’ll be no emotion though. Fairly even race. Teams first @7NewsMelbourne


https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Shammo80 on September 26, 2019, 12:02:13 PM
I think ross for Graham is a no brainer like for like in under Pickett would be a massive gamble to be honest thu he did win the medal I think u need him to have played a few games first.. Imagine you play him has a shocker we lose could set him back
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 26, 2019, 12:17:14 PM
Asked whether the Tigers would make just one change, Leppitsch said: "It looks like it at this stage, yes – one change."

Graham is expected to be replaced by either like-for-like teenager Jack Ross (who hasn't played at AFL level since round 22), versatile 2017 premiership player Kamdyn McIntosh (round 17), mid-season recruit and would-be debutant Marlion Pickett and possibly even first-year sensation Sydney Stack.

Leppitsch said Tigers selectors faced an agonising choice, revealing they had been "texting and emailing and sending through teams and (having) chats and all sort of things over the last couple of days to figure that position out."

"Every player we bring in we think has got a great role to fill – Kamdyn's a great, experienced player, Jack Ross is a great, hard, inside mid that's a good, ready-made replacement for Jack Graham; Marlion adds a bit more X-factor," he said.

"We've got a feeling that three or four of them are probably of the same level at the starting gate – that's what's made this decision so tough. We're still talking about it now."

Leppitsch spoke glowingly of Pickett, a noted big-occasion performer at state league level who was best-afield in Richmond's VFL premiership on Sunday.

A debut for the 27-year-old West Australian would make him just the sixth player in League history to be blooded in a Grand Final, and the first in 67 years.

"If it was round 17 it (wouldn't) be as big an issue," Leppitsch said.

"Given all the circumstances I think most of us would crumble … but our recruiters are of the opinion he's done things like this a lot through his football career.

"He's had a history in his life that has been troubled that he's been able to overcome to get to AFL, so this is probably nothing compared to most of that."

Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-26/defender-passes-tests-tigers-set-to-make-one-change-for-grand-final)
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 26, 2019, 12:49:02 PM
out of the three pickett runs rings around the other 2 in every department BUT they will take the soft option and pick ross with his massive afl experience and great skills.....

nothing about pickett indicates he wouldnt be able to handle the pressure of a GF
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 26, 2019, 12:51:05 PM
out of the three pickett runs rings around the other 2 in every department BUT they will take the soft option and pick ross with his massive afl experience and great skills.....

nothing about pickett indicates he wouldnt be able to handle the pressure of a GF

at the end of the day dont care who plays as long as we get No 12
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 26, 2019, 01:01:51 PM
Question,

Did you know who Pickett was 5 months ago?
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Diocletian on September 26, 2019, 02:47:50 PM
Going by his recent comments, he still doesn't know who Ross is....:shh
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 26, 2019, 02:49:35 PM
Question,

Did you know who Pickett was 5 months ago?

no...why??????
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Willy on September 26, 2019, 03:04:00 PM
Tom Morris saying Pickett is in!

https://twitter.com/tommorris32/status/1177084427127574528?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 26, 2019, 03:06:17 PM
HUGE
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Diocletian on September 26, 2019, 03:18:59 PM
Will either be a masterstroke or a massive blunder... :shh
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Shammo80 on September 26, 2019, 03:20:33 PM
massive
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sabartooth on September 26, 2019, 03:21:01 PM
Pickett in. WOW
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: TigerLand on September 26, 2019, 03:21:20 PM
Confirmed on RFC website.

Wow! Exciting
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: 1965 on September 26, 2019, 03:23:01 PM
Norm Smith medal coming up.

😁
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 26, 2019, 03:24:20 PM
haha! sorry to the ross fanboys (he aint ready...horrible by foot)....but as i said it was and has been obvious for a while that dimma has been busting to pick him ( and with good reason)...hope he kicks ass and we smash em
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 26, 2019, 03:25:24 PM
Question,

Did you know who Pickett was 5 months ago?

no...why??????

Just figured you knew him personally or had studied him for a long time going off how you strongly you've been backing. Don't really agree with the statement or see how you came to the conclusion that he's "better than the other 2 in every department". The other 2 being Kmac and Ross obviously. Then again I don't know a whole lot about Pickett so maybe you're correct

Was just curious

Confirmed on RFC website.

Wow! Exciting

What a game to debut in. Mid year pick playing off in a Granny. Hope he kills it
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: 1965 on September 26, 2019, 03:28:15 PM
Norm Smith medal coming up.

😁

$151 for the Norm Smith. Hmmm
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Lozza on September 26, 2019, 03:28:31 PM
Jack G only had a handful of games before playing in 2017 without much experience at all. Doomsayers making out it's a huge risk to bring Pickett in, am confident he will lift to another level as I am sure most would given the occasion.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Dougeytherichmondfan on September 26, 2019, 03:28:38 PM
Unbelievable. WOW!
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: 1965 on September 26, 2019, 03:29:52 PM
Norm Smith medal coming up.

😁

$151 for the Norm Smith. Hmmm

Damn he is already into $51.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 26, 2019, 03:40:09 PM
Question,

Did you know who Pickett was 5 months ago?

no...why??????

Just figured you knew him personally or had studied him for a long time going off how you strongly you've been backing. Don't really agree with the statement or see how you came to the conclusion that he's "better than the other 2 in every department". The other 2 being Kmac and Ross obviously. Then again I don't know a whole lot about Pickett so maybe you're correct

Was just curious

Confirmed on RFC website.

Wow! Exciting

What a game to debut in. Mid year pick playing off in a Granny. Hope he kills it

all good...with KMac you know what youre getting...whether becase of something to with his recent injury or otherwise Ross was buthering the ball with his kicks pretty badly in the finals that he played in....pickett on the other hand showed a fair bit in terms of hardness and quality... honestly couldnt care less if got picked or not as long as we get No12...i was just reacting to some experts here who need to learn how to read between the lines....and watch more closely
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: georgies31 on September 26, 2019, 03:57:58 PM
Tell him to keep it simple tackle and presssure and the ball fill come to him.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: one-eyed on September 26, 2019, 04:32:43 PM
Benny Gale on Ch 7 arvo news said although it's a great football story and Pickett has faced many challenges during his life and prevailed each time, Marlion's form has been very good and as a result he's picked himself.

https://twitter.com/7Sport/status/1177087433717899264
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 26, 2019, 04:39:11 PM
really feel for both Jack Ross & Kam

Both didn't get the opportunity to play last week, so missed out on a premiership

Now they miss out on the opportunity this week 

Great for Marlion, got to be devastating for those 2 blokes
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 26, 2019, 05:22:48 PM
really feel for both Jack Ross & Kam

Both didn't get the opportunity to play last week, so missed out on a premiership

Now they miss out on the opportunity this week 

Great for Marlion, got to be devastating for those 2 blokes
Gutted for them too. However, they are AFL players and their job is to support the AFL team. They are not there to play VFL Grand Finals as harsh as that may sound. By sacrificing themselves they gave us security. If Marlion either played poorly or got injured, Ross would be playing. If Broad hadn’t come up, Kamdyn would have played. They have played their role and if we win on Saturday, they will be part of the reason we have another flag.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Rampsation on September 26, 2019, 06:10:53 PM
I feel more sorry for Sydney Stack.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Fluffy Tiger on September 26, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
Jack G only had a handful of games before playing in 2017 without much experience at all. Doomsayers making out it's a huge risk to bring Pickett in, am confident he will lift to another level as I am sure most would given the occasion.

Jack G had played with these teammates.
Jack G had played in front of huge crowds
Jack G had actually played on the MCG.

Marlion has done none of these and hence comparing the two is just wrong.

I am not a fan of this decision but I hope like hell it pays off. I have nothing against Pickett but don't think he has shown enough for such a big risk.

Really feel for Ross and MacIntosh. Ross was the choice for me.

We will soon find out. Go Tiges
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 26, 2019, 06:41:48 PM
I feel more sorry for Sydney Stack.

Why? He got to play in a VFL flag over blokes who were in better condition. Has had a great first year and will be important for years to come, it's only the start for him.

really feel for both Jack Ross & Kam

Both didn't get the opportunity to play last week, so missed out on a premiership

Now they miss out on the opportunity this week 

Great for Marlion, got to be devastating for those 2 blokes
Gutted for them too. However, they are AFL players and their job is to support the AFL team. They are not there to play VFL Grand Finals as harsh as that may sound. By sacrificing themselves they gave us security. If Marlion either played poorly or got injured, Ross would be playing. If Broad hadn’t come up, Kamdyn would have played. They have played their role and if we win on Saturday, they will be part of the reason we have another flag.

Understand what you are saying but it's never good to see blokes miss out on grand finals under these circumstances no matter what level. VFL is a great standard of footy in the grand scheme of things, probably just misses out on being the 2nd best competition in Australia given the SANFL is sublime. I know if I were to miss out on the big day at AFL level I would be very keen to add a VFL medal to the trophy room.

Who knows. If we let the world come to us and rested no one, maybe Mcintosh recaptures his best form and Ross has 40 touches. Instead neither got the chance to play in a premiership or push their case for the AFL one.

poo situation for those boys. Hard to swallow I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: georgies31 on September 26, 2019, 07:29:42 PM
No matter what someone has to be gutted ,but you do the best for your club and pick the best 22 no matter what.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Go Richo 12 on September 26, 2019, 07:48:04 PM
really feel for both Jack Ross & Kam

Both didn't get the opportunity to play last week, so missed out on a premiership

Now they miss out on the opportunity this week 

Great for Marlion, got to be devastating for those 2 blokes
These are my thoughts also.
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: sdc01 on September 26, 2019, 08:31:09 PM
lids must be cursed...leaves richmond...we win flag

gws makes grand final....cant play

destiny can be a bi@#h
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: big tone on September 26, 2019, 08:54:29 PM
I’m wrapped at the decision to play Pickett. It shows real balls by the coaches IMO.

Tough on the other two but that is footy at the highest level.

And to be honest if you are a senior footballer like McIntosh has shown, you couldn’t give two poos about a reserve premiership. Harsh but true....
Title: Re: Changes for the GF?
Post by: Andyy on September 26, 2019, 10:53:45 PM
I’m wrapped at the decision to play Pickett. It shows real balls by the coaches IMO.

Tough on the other two but that is footy at the highest level.

And to be honest if you are a senior footballer like McIntosh has shown, you couldn’t give two poos about a reserve premiership. Harsh but true....

Was thinking this myself.

With all due respect, do the AFL players care that much?
Title: 'We backed in our gut': Hardwick's take on shock Tiger selection (afl)
Post by: one-eyed on September 27, 2019, 02:15:27 PM
'We backed in our gut': Hardwick's take on shock Tiger selection

AFL.com.au
Riley Beveridge
Sep 27, 2019 12:18PM


MARLION Pickett will not be the be-all and end-all for Richmond, with coach Damien Hardwick warning against expecting the AFL Grand Final debutant to be a match-winner.

Pickett was remarkably confirmed for his senior debut on Thursday, making the mature-aged rookie the first player in 67 years to be making his maiden appearance in a Grand Final.

It caps an incredible journey for the 27-year-old, who arrived at the Tigers via the NAB AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft in May with a finger injury, before breaking into the VFL team and earning his spot in the senior side on the biggest stage of all on Saturday afternoon.

Damien Hardwick expects Marlion Pickett to be "a valuable player" in the Grand Final. Picture: AFL Photos

"He's just unfazed," Hardwick said of Pickett.

"Every challenge he's had this year, he's raised the bar. I look at our VFL final against Essendon, we weren't playing that well and his last quarter helped get them over the line.

"Don't get me wrong, Marlion is going to be an important player. But he's not going to be the difference in the game. We've got some really good players who I expect to play a great brand of footy against a formidable opponent in Greater Western Sydney.

"We just expect him to play his role, we don't expect him to be a match-winner. But we're looking forward to him bringing his strengths on the big stage."

Richmond captain Trent Cotchin also reiterated that Pickett wouldn't be deterred by the occasion, suggesting his maturity and leadership at VFL level reflects his calm demeanour.

"It's a funny one," Cotchin said.

"Obviously there's a lot of excitement about a guy where his background speaks for itself.

"The way he's come into the footy club, it's been impressive. He's been unassuming.

"You speak to the guys who have played with him at VFL level and they look to him just for that level of maturity and calmness.

"On the flipside, it's disappointing for the likes of Jack Graham to have the injury he did and for the guys who have unfortunately not been given the opportunity to play."

Richmond said it treated the Grand Final like any other game during its team selection process, leading to Pickett's unlikely and surprising inclusion in the side.

It comes after the lively midfielder won the Norm Goss Medal for the best player in the VFL Grand Final last week, having finished with 20 disposals, nine tackles and a goal.

"We made the call (on Thursday)," Hardwick said.

"We had a fair idea. There were three or four guys we were throwing around, but in fairness you think about the event that's coming up and you look at the first game … but we thought if it was round 16, we'd pick the kid to play. We backed in our gut.

"It's a great story and a lot of people will tell you that, but the reality is this kid can play, so we're really excited to give him an opportunity. He's worked incredibly hard to get that and he's played some really good footy along the way.

"We think he's going to be a valuable player for us tomorrow."

Richmond had been considering Pickett for his senior debut much earlier in the season, but couldn't fit him into a side that has won its last 11 matches in a streak dating back to June.

However, an unfortunate shoulder injury to young midfielder Graham – sustained in last week's preliminary final win over Geelong – now gives the former WAFL star his chance.

"We'd started to solidify our side a little bit," Hardwick said.

"An unfortunate incident with Jack Graham opened that door.

"There are a couple of boys who are very stiff not to play. Jack Ross and Kamdyn McIntosh were very close, as was Sydney Stack. We were hoping to get him back also.

"But Marlion enjoys his chance, and I'm sure he'll be a good player for us."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-27/watch-live-grand-final-captains-coaches-face-media-from-1115am-aest