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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 06, 2019, 02:11:51 PM
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The Herald-Sun has our best 22 (for 2019) being Rance, Graham & Stack into our premiership side and Nank, Baker & Pickett out. One of the latter would come back in for the departed Ellis for 2020 best 22.
Sarah Black
afl.com.au
6 October 2019
Best 22 in 2019 if everyone was available
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Jayden Short
C: Brandon Ellis, Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy
HF: Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Shane Edwards
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
Foll: Ivan Soldo, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Broad, Jack Graham, Kane Lambert, Sydney Stack
DEPTH
Defenders: Liam Baker, Ryan Garthwaite, Derek Eggmolesse-Smith, Patrick Naish, Ben Miller
Summary: With Rance in the 22, someone has to make way and that's Baker. Rebounders Eggmolesse-Smith and Naish are two of the most improved players on the list, but key defensive depth is still an issue.
Midfielders: Marlion Pickett, Jack Ross, Kamdyn McIntosh, Riley Collier-Dawkins, Connor Menadue, Fraser Turner, Jacob Townsend, Luke English, Mav Weller
Summary: Strong midfield depth with Pickett being the 23rd player, despite his stunning Grand Final. He had been named as an emergency for several weeks prior, unable to force his way into the side until Graham's injury. There's been a few reports McIntosh may be feeling aggrieved having missed out on the VFL and AFL flags, and he's been a bit lost playing in defence in the twos. However, with Ellis on his way out, McIntosh could regain his position on the wing.
Rucks: Toby Nankervis, Mabior Chol, Noah Balta, Callum Coleman-Jones
Summary: Nankervis misses out on the 22 due to his long-term injury, while Chol and Balta impressed with their work around the ground this year. The buzz around the 20-year-old Coleman-Jones is growing, and he's one to watch in the future.
Forwards: Jack Higgins, Callum Moore, Dan Butler, Oleg Markov, Jake Aarts
Summary: Fingers are crossed for a fully fit Higgins in 2020, having undergone two bouts of brain surgery for a bleed. Moore is a good backup but doesn't look like breaking into the line-up soon, while Butler has been linked to Carlton in particular. Markov has reinvented himself as a deep forward, but consistency within games is still an issue.
WHAT DO THEY NEED? WHO ARE THEY LINKED TO?
Key position depth at both ends needs a little assistance, with Garthwaite, Miller (who can play forward or back) and Coleman-Jones (forward-ruck) still some way off. A player in their mid-to-late 20s as a stop-gap measure would work well, but they're hard to come by. After landing their big fish in Lynch in 2018, the Tigers' off-season appears to be fairly quiet.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-05/best-22-and-list-depth-how-is-your-club-placed-heading-into-trade-period
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Embarrassment of riches: Tigers best 22 post trade period
October 24, 2019
Fox Sports
... it’s time to look at how your club’s best 22 is shaping up.
RICHMOND
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Jayden Short
C: Marlion Pickett Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy
HF: Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Shane Edwards
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
Foll: Ivan Soldo, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Broad, Jack Graham, Kane Lambert, Sydney Stack
In: —
Out: Brandon Ellis, Dan Butler
We say: It’s an embarrassment of riches for the 2019 premiers. Not only will they welcome back five-time All-Australian fullback in Alex Rance, but have the benefit of Marlion Pickett with a full AFL pre-season under his belt. They lose Brandon Ellis (Gold Coast) and Dan Butler (St Kilda), but the depth of Richmond’s squad means those two departures will barely be felt. Here are just some of the kids waiting in the wings: Liam Baker, Patrick Naish, Jack Ross, Mabior Chol, Noah Balta and Callum Coleman-Jones. Plus Jack Higgins (brain bleed) will likely make his return at some stage during the season.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-port-adelaide-best-22-richmond-best-22-st-kilda-best-22-trade-period-your-clubs-best-22/news-story/a594494699fdafafd4ec7b87ddfb6ae2
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Nankervis being written off by all and sundry.
Bit premature IMHO
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Nank in for short with Stack taking his place in defence. Otherwise I agree with fox sports.
Would love to find a spot for baker too but not sure whose spot he would take.
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Really hard to drop any player listed below and the question is do we need to integrate some new faces into the side? My only changes were Shorty out for Naish, Nank in for Soldo. Naish's kicking is just that good I think he should be playing
Bloody hell, that is a tough side to break into...
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Marlion Pickett
C: Kane Lambert Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy
HF: Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Shane Edwards
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Broad, Jack Graham, Patrick Naish, Sydney Stack
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Really hard to drop any player listed below and the question is do we need to integrate some new faces into the side? My only changes were Shorty out for Naish, Nank in for Soldo. Naish's kicking is just that good I think he should be playing
Bloody hell, that is a tough side to break into...
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Marlion Pickett
C: Kane Lambert Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy
HF: Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Shane Edwards
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Broad, Jack Graham, Patrick Naish, Sydney Stack
So Short out for Naish because he is such a good kick?? Well that makes sense
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Grimes Astbury Broad
Houli Rance Vlastuin
Lambert Prestia Caddy
Bolton Lynch Edwards
Rioli Riewoldt Stack
Nankervis Martin Cotchin
Pickett Soldo Graham Short
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Grimes Astbury Balta
Houli Rance Vlastuin
Lambert Prestia Caddy
Bolton Lynch Edwards
Rioli Riewoldt Stack
Nankervis* Martin Cotchin
Pickett Chol Graham Castagna
* or Soldo - don't care, just not both :shh
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Grimes Astbury Stack
Houli Rance Vlastuin
Lambert Martin Caddy
Bolton Lynch Edwards
Rioli Riewoldt Castagna
Nankervis Cotchin Prestia
Pickett Soldo Graham Broad
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Really hard to drop any player listed below and the question is do we need to integrate some new faces into the side? My only changes were Shorty out for Naish, Nank in for Soldo. Naish's kicking is just that good I think he should be playing
Bloody hell, that is a tough side to break into...
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Marlion Pickett
C: Kane Lambert Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy
HF: Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Shane Edwards
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Broad, Jack Graham, Patrick Naish, Sydney Stack
So Short out for Naish because he is such a good kick?? Well that makes sense
Shorty is a good long kick but Naish is a better kick, much better. As I said, anyone out of that side is stiff but for someone to go in someone has to go out.
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Would play Eggs before Naish.... :shh
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At this stage Naish is nowhere near our best 22
Under extreme AFL pressure his disposal and decision making is not where it needs to be
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Im all for continued evolution so this will really pee some posters off.
Pickett - I think is here to stay i like him as a h/b but he has shown he can also play midfield. At h/b he is miles in front of Baker and Short.
Would plonk him on a wing atm.
Balta - played 13 games this yr and does anyone really think the club wont be aiming for more next yr. He is the heir apparent to Rance and he could well play chb next yr allowing Rance to play third fiddle.
Rance - well hes like a new recruit not having him all yr. I actually think Rance is going to force Broad out and play third tall.
Stack - no doubt could play thru the midfield but imo he is the heir apparent for Houli. Id have no problems replacing Houli with Stack and boy is that going to bring on a heap of abuse. But as it stands i think stack will play midfield next yr and Houli will see out his final yr and deservedly so.
Ross - if not for injury was galloping along quite nicely. Reckon atm he could play on a wing for us, he could just as easily play inside and out. Id play him there instead of Caddy.
CC-J - brings a real point of difference to Nankervis and Soldo. Id be looking to play CC-J as second ruck and he can offer a REAL option fwd.
He may not be ready but in yr three he will be close surely.
Chol - similar to CC-J but he doesnt ruck as well as Callum. both are not slow like soldo and Nank and i agree with others thinking we should only play one of the latter two.
Graham - will play if fit i think thats a given.
RC-D - Hoping he can take some big strides and get games next yr. If he does take it up to the level can see them getting games into the bigger bodied mids.
Outs for me
Broad, in Rance. an upgrade
Baker, in Ross, a needed bigger mid at a similar level with more upside.
Ellis, in Pickett, hallelujah.
Short, in Stack, No doubt Stack is a huge upgrade on Short especially hardness and defense.
Nankervis or Soldo in CC-J/Chol. think its a definate fwd option upgrade
Rioli, in Graham. Graham clearly offers more thru the middle and Riolis role is taken up by a myriad of mids who can play fwd.
this is the controversial one but with players like Pickett, Bolton, Lambert, Stack, Graham, Caddy, Martin who can all play thru the midfield as well as play fwd is there a need for a player like Rioli who is a specialist fwd so far, people will argue it but its my opinion he has not shown an ability to play regularly midfield is not a huge goal kicker and is often poor in games. Really is time for him to improve and actually round his game out.
Grimes - Astbury - Vlastuin
Houli - Rance - Broad/Balta/Stack
Bolton - Cotchin - Pickett
Soldo - Prestia - Ross
Edwards - Riewoldt - Lambert
Castagna - Lynch - Martin
Stack - Caddy - Graham - CC-J/Chol.
It may not happen but im hoping for some change next yr to stay in front of the pack and to improve i think it needs to happen but to what degree well that is the $100 question.
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At this stage Naish is nowhere near our best 22
Under extreme AFL pressure his disposal and decision making is not where it needs to be
At this stage, the main reason we should even keep him on the list is so his brother Charlie nominates us in a few years... :shh
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Ellis, in Pickett, hallelujah.
Apart from the first half of the prelim, Ellis was so, so bad in the finals series.
Pickett, Stack, Ross, Graham will all be huge upgrades.
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As long as they rotate the players to keep them fresh and peak at the end of the year. Given that I'd play a lot of fringe and kids in the first half of the year. The run home isn't as good but the last few premierships have been won by the team peaking in September.
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Really hard to drop any player listed below and the question is do we need to integrate some new faces into the side? My only changes were Shorty out for Naish, Nank in for Soldo. Naish's kicking is just that good I think he should be playing
Bloody hell, that is a tough side to break into...
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Marlion Pickett
C: Kane Lambert Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy
HF: Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Shane Edwards
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Broad, Jack Graham, Patrick Naish, Sydney Stack
So Short out for Naish because he is such a good kick?? Well that makes sense
Shorty is a good long kick but Naish is a better kick, much better. As I said, anyone out of that side is stiff but for someone to go in someone has to go out.
Naish has shown very little to date.
He is miles off our best 22- miles!
Short is a premiership player and was pretty unlucky to not being a 2x premiership player... and his kicking is elite. (Although I will admit it wasn’t at its usual high standard after he came back from his injury this year- but make no mistake he is one of the best kicks in the comp on both feet IMO)
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He's a deadly kick. Kills us with both feet....:shh
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:shh :shh
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Really hard to drop any player listed below and the question is do we need to integrate some new faces into the side? My only changes were Shorty out for Naish, Nank in for Soldo. Naish's kicking is just that good I think he should be playing
Bloody hell, that is a tough side to break into...
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Marlion Pickett
C: Kane Lambert Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy
HF: Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Shane Edwards
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Broad, Jack Graham, Patrick Naish, Sydney Stack
So Short out for Naish because he is such a good kick?? Well that makes sense
Shorty is a good long kick but Naish is a better kick, much better. As I said, anyone out of that side is stiff but for someone to go in someone has to go out.
Naish has shown very little to date.
He is miles off our best 22- miles!
Short is a premiership player and was pretty unlucky to not being a 2x premiership player... and his kicking is elite. (Although I will admit it wasn’t at its usual high standard after he came back from his injury this year- but make no mistake he is one of the best kicks in the comp on both feet IMO)
He didnt play in 17 because he was too soft too outside and too panicky. He probably should not have played in 19 for the same reasons.
Houli and Ellis copped it from you for similar reasons but you leave short alone.whats good for the goose is also good for the gander.
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Frustrating thing with Short is he played about 7-8 quality games early last season and managed to get 150-200k extra a year as a consequence. He hasn't really been able to play to that level ever since.
But I still think he is an asset and his best attributes fit our game plan quite well.
Opposition teams tend to zone up the middle of the ground when we move the ball from the backline. Frequently, Short is able to kick over the top of the forced congestion to one on ones and two on twos.
See Dusty's sharked goal off the pack v Geel.
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Really hard to drop any player listed below and the question is do we need to integrate some new faces into the side? My only changes were Shorty out for Naish, Nank in for Soldo. Naish's kicking is just that good I think he should be playing
Bloody hell, that is a tough side to break into...
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Marlion Pickett
C: Kane Lambert Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy
HF: Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Shane Edwards
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Broad, Jack Graham, Patrick Naish, Sydney Stack
So Short out for Naish because he is such a good kick?? Well that makes sense
Shorty is a good long kick but Naish is a better kick, much better. As I said, anyone out of that side is stiff but for someone to go in someone has to go out.
Naish has shown very little to date.
He is miles off our best 22- miles!
Short is a premiership player and was pretty unlucky to not being a 2x premiership player... and his kicking is elite. (Although I will admit it wasn’t at its usual high standard after he came back from his injury this year- but make no mistake he is one of the best kicks in the comp on both feet IMO)
He didnt play in 17 because he was too soft too outside and too panicky. He probably should not have played in 19 for the same reasons.
Houli and Ellis copped it from you for similar reasons but you leave short alone.whats good for the goose is also good for the gander.
I’m happy to say you and I are miles apart on what we think of our players.
If it were up to you, we would change half our premiership side with kids that have done FA.
But the truth be know, you watch our games on TV and in term you see players through a keyhole.
Houli and Ellis are soft IMO so I say it, in fact I reckon I was the only one saying it about Ellis at one point, but not anymore, and I don’t think Short is in anyway soft and going off past experiences you know I would say it if I saw it, but I don’t. Pretty simple.
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Really hard to drop any player listed below and the question is do we need to integrate some new faces into the side? My only changes were Shorty out for Naish, Nank in for Soldo. Naish's kicking is just that good I think he should be playing
Bloody hell, that is a tough side to break into...
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Marlion Pickett
C: Kane Lambert Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy
HF: Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Shane Edwards
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Broad, Jack Graham, Patrick Naish, Sydney Stack
So Short out for Naish because he is such a good kick?? Well that makes sense
Shorty is a good long kick but Naish is a better kick, much better. As I said, anyone out of that side is stiff but for someone to go in someone has to go out.
Naish has shown very little to date.
He is miles off our best 22- miles!
Short is a premiership player and was pretty unlucky to not being a 2x premiership player... and his kicking is elite. (Although I will admit it wasn’t at its usual high standard after he came back from his injury this year- but make no mistake he is one of the best kicks in the comp on both feet IMO)
He didnt play in 17 because he was too soft too outside and too panicky. He probably should not have played in 19 for the same reasons.
Houli and Ellis copped it from you for similar reasons but you leave short alone.whats good for the goose is also good for the gander.
I’m happy to say you and I are miles apart on what we think of our players.
If it were up to you, we would change half our premiership side with kids that have done FA.
But the truth be know, you watch our games on TV and in term you see players through a keyhole.
Houli and Ellis are soft IMO so I say it, in fact I reckon I was the only one saying it about Ellis at one point, but not anymore, and I don’t think Short is in anyway soft and going off past experiences you know I would say it if I saw it, but I don’t. Pretty simple.
Take the blinkers off bud hes as soft as they come.Almost Ellis like.
Im happy to be miles apart from everyone else. Always have and always will. I dont like pack animals.
NO i dont want the team replaced by kids i want the bottom half dozen replaced by BETTER players weather that is kids or mature recruits. So dont put freakin words in my mouth.
By the way Houli, who you despise so much is ten fold the player OF Short despite his limitations including being soft, says hello having achieved A/A.If Short becomes half the player this bloke is then it will be an improvement.
Finally the key hole view, it makes one really focus on detail.But just for you while i dont see all the games live most seasons i still see
4 or 5 or so which gives an opportunity to corroborate what you do see on the tele. Spotting a soft squib is always easy bto see.
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Really hard to drop any player listed below and the question is do we need to integrate some new faces into the side? My only changes were Shorty out for Naish, Nank in for Soldo. Naish's kicking is just that good I think he should be playing
Bloody hell, that is a tough side to break into...
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Marlion Pickett
C: Kane Lambert Dion Prestia, Josh Caddy
HF: Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Shane Edwards
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Broad, Jack Graham, Patrick Naish, Sydney Stack
So Short out for Naish because he is such a good kick?? Well that makes sense
Shorty is a good long kick but Naish is a better kick, much better. As I said, anyone out of that side is stiff but for someone to go in someone has to go out.
Naish has shown very little to date.
He is miles off our best 22- miles!
Short is a premiership player and was pretty unlucky to not being a 2x premiership player... and his kicking is elite. (Although I will admit it wasn’t at its usual high standard after he came back from his injury this year- but make no mistake he is one of the best kicks in the comp on both feet IMO)
He didnt play in 17 because he was too soft too outside and too panicky. He probably should not have played in 19 for the same reasons.
Houli and Ellis copped it from you for similar reasons but you leave short alone.whats good for the goose is also good for the gander.
I’m happy to say you and I are miles apart on what we think of our players.
If it were up to you, we would change half our premiership side with kids that have done FA.
But the truth be know, you watch our games on TV and in term you see players through a keyhole.
Houli and Ellis are soft IMO so I say it, in fact I reckon I was the only one saying it about Ellis at one point, but not anymore, and I don’t think Short is in anyway soft and going off past experiences you know I would say it if I saw it, but I don’t. Pretty simple.
Take the blinkers off bud hes as soft as they come.Almost Ellis like.
Im happy to be miles apart from everyone else. Always have and always will. I dont like pack animals.
NO i dont want the team replaced by kids i want the bottom half dozen replaced by BETTER players weather that is kids or mature recruits. So dont put freakin words in my mouth.
By the way Houli, who you despise so much is ten fold the player OF Short despite his limitations including being soft, says hello having achieved A/A.If Short becomes half the player this bloke is then it will be an improvement.
Finally the key hole view, it makes one really focus on detail.But just for you while i dont see all the games live most seasons i still see
4 or 5 or so which gives an opportunity to corroborate what you do see on the tele. Spotting a soft squib is always easy bto see.
No blinkers on mate- I just don’t think Short is soft.
Happy for you to disagree but I’m interested to know if you think he is a good kick as some don’t?
On Houli, I don’t despise him at at, I just don’t think he is a good defender.
And I’m pretty sure you have agreed with that on more than one occasion. And just because he made the AA side doesn’t change that fact.
Let’s be honest if you can’t rack up kicks playing a loose man across halfback in the best side in the league with the best backline in the league, you shouldn’t be in the AFL.
I’m actually happy for him and hope with Bellis gone he moves further up the ground onto a wing.
We have won 2 premierships in 3 years, why the hell would you need to make wholesale changes to our side before any of our kids are knocking the door down? You mentioned about 7 players in your earlier post of player we should replace?? Do you see how stupid that is??
And lastly 5 time AA defender and in the discussion as one of the greatest KPD in the games history Alex Rance says hi!!
What was it again??
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Short soft? Me thinks not :shh
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lol nothing stupid about wanting improvement and its a possibility with the players we have in the wings.
Lets start with those who did not play in the g/f
Rance - Yep that 5 times A/A who did have some serious issues early in his career is a walk up start.
Graham - if not for injury would have played.
Stack - was in the mix but injury came at the wrong time. No injury he would have played.He is a miles better option across h/b than Short. He at least has a presence is hard at it can at least defend an opponent and is no slouch with ball in hand.
Ross - was great before injury cost him, you dont think he will be a regular after another preseason. i disagree and its not as silly as you think.He too was in the mix for the g/f along with McIntosh.
Pickett - who played one game all yr and probably would not have played in the g/f if not for injuries to others. He wont be going anywhere so that means a regular from this yr will miss out.
Thats 5 of 7 players i mentioned and you think they are no chance or arent better options than the likes of Short.
The others mentioned, Balta played 13 games, last time i looked thats a majority of games for the yr. With continued development you dont think he will improve or we dont need to get games into him.But hey thats just stupid to think that way.
Who else CC-J Third yr in, i reckon he is good for games he offers a genuine difference to Soldo and Nankervis as does Chol.They both offer far more as fwds and can play second fiddle in the ruck to one of the others.
Finally and yes its acknowledged RC-D didnt do a lot this yr and was spoken about along the lines if he could take a step up they will likely put games into him. Just my opinion but i think we need some bigger bodied mids flankers in the team and theres only really Ross and RC-D in development.
To answer you on Houli. You think Short is a good defender!!!!! Again you criticise Houli for the same issues Short has.yep i have always had issues with Houli's ability to defend and he has had his issues with softness. But as i have constantly said i think hes a better option than Short, Bellis Baker they all have flaws as defenders.Its one reason why im so keen to see a player like Stack or Pickett play back there instead.Its called improvement.
Unlike you i obviously think there is plenty of room for improvement and think there is a real need to continue to get games into the younger players as often as possible.
Missing from 17
Rance,Graham, Townsend, Butler, McIntosh, Grigg. Our next flag team will be missing players from 19. atm it could easily be 4 or 5 and thats without any newbies on the list.
For me Short is definately in the bottom 6 and thus in the gun.We have on our list players who just give more in more areas without the defensive issues and they can get a bit of ball forthemselves and do lay tackles.
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lol nothing stupid about wanting improvement and its a possibility with the players we have in the wings.
Lets start with those who did not play in the g/f
Rance - Yep that 5 times A/A who did have some serious issues early in his career is a walk up start.
Graham - if not for injury would have played.
Stack - was in the mix but injury came at the wrong time. No injury he would have played.He is a miles better option across h/b than Short. He at least has a presence is hard at it can at least defend an opponent and is no slouch with ball in hand.
Ross - was great before injury cost him, you dont think he will be a regular after another preseason. i disagree and its not as silly as you think.He too was in the mix for the g/f along with McIntosh.
Pickett - who played one game all yr and probably would not have played in the g/f if not for injuries to others. He wont be going anywhere so that means a regular from this yr will miss out.
Thats 5 of 7 players i mentioned and you think they are no chance or arent better options than the likes of Short.
The others mentioned, Balta played 13 games, last time i looked thats a majority of games for the yr. With continued development you dont think he will improve or we dont need to get games into him.But hey thats just stupid to think that way.
Who else CC-J Third yr in, i reckon he is good for games he offers a genuine difference to Soldo and Nankervis as does Chol.They both offer far more as fwds and can play second fiddle in the ruck to one of the others.
Finally and yes its acknowledged RC-D didnt do a lot this yr and was spoken about along the lines if he could take a step up they will likely put games into him. Just my opinion but i think we need some bigger bodied mids flankers in the team and theres only really Ross and RC-D in development.
To answer you on Houli. You think Short is a good defender!!!!! Again you criticise Houli for the same issues Short has.yep i have always had issues with Houli's ability to defend and he has had his issues with softness. But as i have constantly said i think hes a better option than Short, Bellis Baker they all have flaws as defenders.Its one reason why im so keen to see a player like Stack or Pickett play back there instead.Its called improvement.
Unlike you i obviously think there is plenty of room for improvement and think there is a real need to continue to get games into the younger players as often as possible.
Missing from 17
Rance,Graham, Townsend, Butler, McIntosh, Grigg. Our next flag team will be missing players from 19. atm it could easily be 4 or 5 and thats without any newbies on the list.
For me Short is definately in the bottom 6 and thus in the gun.We have on our list players who just give more in more areas without the defensive issues and they can get a bit of ball forthemselves and do lay tackles.
I don’t think many will argue about Rance, Stack and Graham. But during any year you need at least another 3 or 4 that can slot in when injuries hit. So let’s call it best 25 for 2020.
All your others you mentioned have done FA compared to the GF side and those other 3 already mentioned.
I see you didn’t mention Chol in your most recent post but did in your original one. Pretty convenient.
So what makes you think any of Chol, Balta, Ross, CCJ, and RCD are in our best 22 which is what the thread is asking in front of the 22 that played in the GF and the other 3 mentioned?
Also in your posted you are basically saying you except Houli and his lack of defending and yet you don’t rate Short for the same reason even though Short is younger and clearly a much better and more damaging kick. So which is it, you except one but not the other??
You also compared Stack to Short at halfback, but if you did the same comparison against Houli you would come up with the same result. Agree??
Short is 23 and play 70 odd games, do you not think he could improve just like any of the 5 you have said are in our best 22 for 2020?
Every year you come out with a list like you did recently but the reality is we have been the best side the past 3 years and our premiership sides are young. Sure we need our kids to improve but they have a long way to go before the replace 99% of our current premiership, best 25 players.
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Lol you need to read a bit better i did mention chol in the same passage as CCJ.
So ross has done sweet f/a fair enough you have not watched him then id say.he was in the mix for the g/f for Geez sakes.
So what makes me think some of those ive named are better options than some who played in the g/f. Id suggest you actually read the post and you will have your answer.
Balta 13 games and i anticipate stuff yeah i expect him to improve and go past some average players forgive me for thinking that way but bottom six players are bottom six for a reason.
Lets me do this one more time just for you as your comprhension seems to be lacking when your bfavorites are questioned.
You tell me if if these players are not an upgrade or a better way to go. After all all clubs are looking for a way to keep on getting better.
Rance for broad. Tall for a tall. Is that not an upgrade
Stack for Scaredy pants Short lol there is no comparison and one of them has only played 15 odd games.
Pickett for Ellis No brainer
Graham for Baker fmd its another no brainer.
Martin, Edwards, Lambert, Pickett etc etc for Rioli a bloke you your self have been critical of. Im sure even you can see the point of difference.
CC-J or Chol for one of the dinosaurs, (good description imo) nankervis , Soldo, they both offer more as a fwd but can give a decent chop out to one of the others in the ruck.
I agree neither of these two have done a hell of a lot but when push comes to shove, CC-J in particular has not played, apart from the odd game at the top leve. In anyones language he projects as the best ruckman we have!!!!. Like it or not he is at a stage where we should be playing him.
It seems to me its all about right now with you but we all know to stay consistently in the ball park over a long period then its also about the long term.
We are limited in chasing top end talent early because of where we finish.
so the focus has to be on improving the bottom 6.You dont like to hear it but Short is very much a bottom 6 player and its JUST AN OPINION we have better options within our ranks.
Your argument about weather some of those named have done more than those who played, no argument. For me i have little doubt though that those i have named above will be better players and options and they are are not that far away.Yet you think thats stupid.Each to his own id say.I do know one thing all premiership sides have their fair share of lets call em average players its the simple reason why premiership sides change so much in a short space of time.
Lastly im sorry to to offend your sensibilities but not every one agrees with your sentiments about players, not everyone thinks just because some of them were in the right place at the right time and won a flag they deserve to play in front of those coming thru.
Id be interested to know who you think of the 22 premiership players in 2019 are in the bottom 6.
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B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Nathan Broad, Nick Vlastuin, Sydney Stack
C: Bachar Houli , Trent Cotchin, Josh Caddy
HF: Shai Bolton, Tom Lynch, Shane Edwards
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Dion Prestia
I/C: Ivan Soldo, Jack Graham, Kane Lambert, Jack Ross
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Lol you need to read a bit better i did mention chol in the same passage as CCJ.
So ross has done sweet f/a fair enough you have not watched him then id say.he was in the mix for the g/f for Geez sakes.
So what makes me think some of those ive named are better options than some who played in the g/f. Id suggest you actually read the post and you will have your answer.
Balta 13 games and i anticipate stuff yeah i expect him to improve and go past some average players forgive me for thinking that way but bottom six players are bottom six for a reason.
Lets me do this one more time just for you as your comprhension seems to be lacking when your bfavorites are questioned.
You tell me if if these players are not an upgrade or a better way to go. After all all clubs are looking for a way to keep on getting better.
Rance for broad. Tall for a tall. Is that not an upgrade
Stack for Scaredy pants Short lol there is no comparison and one of them has only played 15 odd games.
Pickett for Ellis No brainer
Graham for Baker fmd its another no brainer.
Martin, Edwards, Lambert, Pickett etc etc for Rioli a bloke you your self have been critical of. Im sure even you can see the point of difference.
CC-J or Chol for one of the dinosaurs, (good description imo) nankervis , Soldo, they both offer more as a fwd but can give a decent chop out to one of the others in the ruck.
I agree neither of these two have done a hell of a lot but when push comes to shove, CC-J in particular has not played, apart from the odd game at the top leve. In anyones language he projects as the best ruckman we have!!!!. Like it or not he is at a stage where we should be playing him.
It seems to me its all about right now with you but we all know to stay consistently in the ball park over a long period then its also about the long term.
We are limited in chasing top end talent early because of where we finish.
so the focus has to be on improving the bottom 6.You dont like to hear it but Short is very much a bottom 6 player and its JUST AN OPINION we have better options within our ranks.
Your argument about weather some of those named have done more than those who played, no argument. For me i have little doubt though that those i have named above will be better players and options and they are are not that far away.Yet you think thats stupid.Each to his own id say.I do know one thing all premiership sides have their fair share of lets call em average players its the simple reason why premiership sides change so much in a short space of time.
Lastly im sorry to to offend your sensibilities but not every one agrees with your sentiments about players, not everyone thinks just because some of them were in the right place at the right time and won a flag they deserve to play in front of those coming thru.
Id be interested to know who you think of the 22 premiership players in 2019 are in the bottom 6.
My bottom six in terms of who I would look to replace first or need to show more to keep their spot are
In order
Ellis (obviously)
Soldo (we can do better but players behind him will need to show more than what they currently have)
Broad (ok player but may find it hard to keep his spot with Rance back)
Pickett (I haven’t seen enough of him to really comment properly)
Rioli (he has done FA in the past 2 seasons)
Houli (getting towards the end and that will come quickly IMO)
I think Baker will be a star and I think Short, Bolton and George will play 150 plus games for the club. These guys are long term players IMO- you will have to be good to push these guys out.
So round 1 next year if all fit, I would say changes to our best 22 from the GF side are
Rance for Broad
Stack for Ellis
and
Graham for Pickett maybe??
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Daniel Rioli is a classy player. Easily our best small forward in terms of game awareness and skills execution as shown by his performance in the geand final. Great goal and great gives and passes to teammates.
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Daniel Rioli is a classy player. Easily our best small forward in terms of game awareness and skills execution as shown by his performance in the geand final. Great goal and great gives and passes to teammates.
Unfortunately Daniel isn’t Cyril, and is just an average footballer with a famous surname in a very good side.
He plays his roll like all our other foot soldiers, nothing more, nothing less.
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big tone your loyalty to George has blinded you to reality. its ok we understand. if you think Daniel is an ordinary footballer all your doing is confirming my assertion that George is at best a suburban standard footballer who should be playing at noble park.
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Oh please you two.
They're both good players.
Rioli has the skill, George has the effort. If either had both they'd be AA.
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big tone your loyalty to George has blinded you to reality. its ok we understand. if you think Daniel is an ordinary footballer all your doing is confirming my assertion that George is at best a suburban standard footballer who should be playing at noble park.
I didn’t mention George.
But for the record George has been a better and much more consistent player than Rioli over the past 3 years.
Daniel unfortunately hasn’t really lived up the the hype or the expectations we all put on him with having the Rioli surname. Not really his fault but that’s the way it goes.
Like I said, at best he has played his roll and is a 2 time premiership player, but he is far from being in our top 10 or even 15 players.
The other stupid poo you write about George and Noble Park says more about you than anything.
On another note, is 2020 another educational year for the club?? :wallywink
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Come off it guys. We've just won another flag!
I disagree with both of you and I know Hardwick does too. Each player has played his role to a high standard and both Rioli and Castagna are picked without hesitation each week. Are they perfect? No. But they do compliment each other. Both are guns. Yeah if Castagna could kick straight he'd be in the top 30 players in the league and if Rioli got more of the ball he'd be up there too. They've both been crucial though in helping us win our flags. Isn't that the most important thing here?
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Thats fair enough but the criticism on daniel rioli are over the top
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Oh please you two.
They're both good players.
Rioli has the skill, George has the effort. If either had both they'd be AA.
Rioli does have both.... :shh
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Come off it guys. We've just won another flag!
I disagree with both of you and I know Hardwick does too. Each player has played his role to a high standard and both Rioli and Castagna are picked without hesitation each week. Are they perfect? No. But they do compliment each other. Both are guns. Yeah if Castagna could kick straight he'd be in the top 30 players in the league and if Rioli got more of the ball he'd be up there too. They've both been crucial though in helping us win our flags. Isn't that the most important thing here?
Pull your head in doc.
Are we not allowed to debate players since we won our premierships?
You disagree with both of us but find it ok to comment.
Does that mean you are right?
Or do you just sound all righteous!
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Oh please you two.
They're both good players.
Rioli has the skill, George has the effort. If either had both they'd be AA.
Rioli does have both.... :shh
It’s just a shame it’s not much of either
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I am confused about Daniel, I think his broken foot has had more affect thawe realise, let’s be patient and see how he goes next year after all he is still pretty young At 22
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Come off it guys. We've just won another flag!
I disagree with both of you and I know Hardwick does too. Each player has played his role to a high standard and both Rioli and Castagna are picked without hesitation each week. Are they perfect? No. But they do compliment each other. Both are guns. Yeah if Castagna could kick straight he'd be in the top 30 players in the league and if Rioli got more of the ball he'd be up there too. They've both been crucial though in helping us win our flags. Isn't that the most important thing here?
Pull your head in doc.
Are we not allowed to debate players since we won our premierships?
You disagree with both of us but find it ok to comment.
Does that mean you are right?
Or do you just sound all righteous!
It's not just my opinion. It's the coaches too. I've heard them personally talk about these players and I'd say their opinion is far more important than any poster's here.They're the only ones who know what the players have been asked to do and thus the only ones who know if they've carried out those instructions.
So I might sound righteous but I'm right and your not because you have no idea what these players are asked to do on the field so you can't criticize them the way you do. It's as simple as that.
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Come off it guys. We've just won another flag!
I disagree with both of you and I know Hardwick does too. Each player has played his role to a high standard and both Rioli and Castagna are picked without hesitation each week. Are they perfect? No. But they do compliment each other. Both are guns. Yeah if Castagna could kick straight he'd be in the top 30 players in the league and if Rioli got more of the ball he'd be up there too. They've both been crucial though in helping us win our flags. Isn't that the most important thing here?
Pull your head in doc.
Are we not allowed to debate players since we won our premierships?
You disagree with both of us but find it ok to comment.
Does that mean you are right?
Or do you just sound all righteous!
It's not just my opinion. It's the coaches too. I've heard them personally talk about these players and I'd say their opinion is far more important than any poster's here.They're the only ones who know what the players have been asked to do and thus the only ones who know if they've carried out those instructions.
So I might sound righteous but I'm right and your not because you have no idea what these players are asked to do on the field so you can't criticize them the way you do. It's as simple as that.
Come on Frank- do you think every coach and his staff in the AFL are right all the time?
The coaching staff all must rate Bellis but most would agree he is no good.
And do you really think the coaches are going to be 100% honest to a bunch of supporters all the time too?
I have said this before, I like Daniel, but IMO he has been nothing more than a roll player for us which isn’t a bad thing but he probably hasn’t lived up to the hype of the Rioli name or the first round selection we used on him.
I know what you say the coaches say about him, but what is your option?
And where would you say he is in our best 25 players at the club?
These are not hard questions and they are your opinion so be honest and maybe stop trying to be such a “yes” man all the time. It gets boring.
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Come off it guys. We've just won another flag!
I disagree with both of you and I know Hardwick does too. Each player has played his role to a high standard and both Rioli and Castagna are picked without hesitation each week. Are they perfect? No. But they do compliment each other. Both are guns. Yeah if Castagna could kick straight he'd be in the top 30 players in the league and if Rioli got more of the ball he'd be up there too. They've both been crucial though in helping us win our flags. Isn't that the most important thing here?
Pull your head in doc.
Are we not allowed to debate players since we won our premierships?
You disagree with both of us but find it ok to comment.
Does that mean you are right?
Or do you just sound all righteous!
It's not just my opinion. It's the coaches too. I've heard them personally talk about these players and I'd say their opinion is far more important than any poster's here.They're the only ones who know what the players have been asked to do and thus the only ones who know if they've carried out those instructions.
So I might sound righteous but I'm right and your not because you have no idea what these players are asked to do on the field so you can't criticize them the way you do. It's as simple as that.
Come on Frank- do you think every coach and his staff in the AFL are right all the time?
The coaching staff all must rate Bellis but most would agree he is no good.
And do you really think the coaches are going to be 100% honest to a bunch of supporters all the time too?
I have said this before, I like Daniel, but IMO he has been nothing more than a roll player for us which isn’t a bad thing but he probably hasn’t lived up to the hype of the Rioli name or the first round selection we used on him.
I know what you say the coaches say about him, but what is your option?
And where would you say he is in our best 25 players at the club?
These are not hard questions and they are your opinion so be honest and maybe stop trying to be such a “yes” man all the time. It gets boring.
That sums up forums right there !
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Come off it guys. We've just won another flag!
I disagree with both of you and I know Hardwick does too. Each player has played his role to a high standard and both Rioli and Castagna are picked without hesitation each week. Are they perfect? No. But they do compliment each other. Both are guns. Yeah if Castagna could kick straight he'd be in the top 30 players in the league and if Rioli got more of the ball he'd be up there too. They've both been crucial though in helping us win our flags. Isn't that the most important thing here?
Pull your head in doc.
Are we not allowed to debate players since we won our premierships?
You disagree with both of us but find it ok to comment.
Does that mean you are right?
Or do you just sound all righteous!
It's not just my opinion. It's the coaches too. I've heard them personally talk about these players and I'd say their opinion is far more important than any poster's here.They're the only ones who know what the players have been asked to do and thus the only ones who know if they've carried out those instructions.
So I might sound righteous but I'm right and your not because you have no idea what these players are asked to do on the field so you can't criticize them the way you do. It's as simple as that.
Come on Frank- do you think every coach and his staff in the AFL are right all the time?
The coaching staff all must rate Bellis but most would agree he is no good.
And do you really think the coaches are going to be 100% honest to a bunch of supporters all the time too?
I have said this before, I like Daniel, but IMO he has been nothing more than a roll player for us which isn’t a bad thing but he probably hasn’t lived up to the hype of the Rioli name or the first round selection we used on him.
I know what you say the coaches say about him, but what is your option?
And where would you say he is in our best 25 players at the club?
These are not hard questions and they are your opinion so be honest and maybe stop trying to be such a “yes” man all the time. It gets boring.
When the coaches explain the roles they're expected to play and then show vision of them executing those roles, it's not about being a yes man. It's about using your brain to understand that most of the times we as supporters have no idea what the players have been asked to do. It's pretty hard to be critical of the players as such. If they are getting picked they are ticking most of the boxes. If they get dropped they are not following team rules or are just horribly out of form.
So after seeing both of those players play their role to a tee, how can I say they are not good enough to be in the side? They are best 22. That's not to say they can't play better of course, but as long as they're playing their roles well the team gels together and we win. And that's what it's all about.
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Who's in, who's unlucky? Your club's best 22 for round one
Sarah Black
afl.com.au
7 December 2019
RICHMOND
Two premiership players – Nathan Broad and Liam Baker – along with Gold Coast-bound Brandon Ellis miss out on the side, allowing for the inclusions of Alex Rance, Jack Graham and Sydney Stack. It's a tough call. The Tigers love what the dour Broad brings to the side, while Baker's enthusiasm is second to none. There's certainly no guarantee Jack Higgins will be right to go in round one; he is still on a part-time program after two operations for a bleed on his brain. Grand Final heartbreak stories Jack Ross and Kamdyn McIntosh are viable options to come into the team in the case of injury.
BEST 22
B: David Astbury, Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes
HB: Nick Vlastuin, Bachar Houli, Jayden Short
C: Josh Caddy, Dustin Martin, Jack Graham
HF: Shane Edwards, Jack Riewoldt, Kane Lambert
F: Jason Castagna, Tom Lynch, Shai Bolton
Foll: Ivan Soldo, Dion Prestia, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Toby Nankervis, Sydney Stack, Daniel Rioli, Marlion Pickett
DEPTH
Defenders: Liam Baker, Nathan Broad, Derek Eggmolesse-Smith, Ryan Garthwaite, Ben Miller, Patrick Naish, Bigoa Nyuon
Midfielders: Riley Collier-Dawkins, Thomson Dow, Luke English, Will Martyn, Kamdyn McIntosh, Hugo Ralphsmith, Jack Ross, Fraser Turner
Forwards: Jake Aarts, Noah Cumberland, Jack Higgins, Oleg Markov
Rucks: Noah Balta, Mabior Chol, Callum Coleman-Jones
https://www.afl.com.au/news/267006/who-s-in-who-s-unlucky-your-club-s-best-22-for-round-one
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The replacements: Who will step up to fill the void at your club?
By Mitch Cleary
afl.com.au
11 January 2020
THEY'RE the players to track closest over pre-season.
Can the youngsters and fresh faces eyeing holes left by delisted players and retirees step up and fill the void?
AFL.com.au looks at who's in line to replace a vacant role at your club in 2020 with a new name or non-regular from last year.
RICHMOND
In: PATRICK NAISH
Replacing: Brandon Ellis (23 games in 2019)
Other contenders: Kamdyn McIntosh, Oleg Markov, Marlion Pickett
Took the VFL by storm in the first half of 2019 which forced a senior debut and a subsequent match across rounds 12-13. Naish's outside speed and run and carry will be suited to the role vacated by Ellis, but the son of former Tiger Chris will need greater consistency after a quiet VFL finals series where he averaged 13 disposals. Pickett will need a spot after his sizzling AFL Grand Final, while McIntosh has proven he's up to the level when given the opportunity. Markov's athleticism is another one to watch.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/365186/the-replacements-who-will-step-up-to-fill-the-void-at-your-club-
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Be handy if Markov really came on as a forward...can't see it happening though...looked promising when when first moved there in the VFL late in the year...for about 5 minutes... :shh
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Be handy if Markov really came on as a forward...can't see it happening though...looked promising when when first moved there in the VFL late in the year...for about 5 minutes... :shh
fROM THE 4 OR 5 SESSIONS i GOT TO BEFORE xMAS HE WAS CERTAINLY PLAYING FORWARD IN MATCH SIM
oops caps, sorry
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Be handy if Markov really came on as a forward...can't see it happening though...looked promising when when first moved there in the VFL late in the year...for about 5 minutes... :shh
Lol.
Surprised we kept him on. Clogger!
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Doing a best 22 is no easier in 2020 than it was in 2019. Lot's of great players in my VFL side
Egg, Baker, Balta, Short, McIntosh, Chol, Higgins not to mention all the youngsters you would expect to improve and push their case
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Lol you need to read a bit better i did mention chol in the same passage as CCJ.
So ross has done sweet f/a fair enough you have not watched him then id say.he was in the mix for the g/f for Geez sakes.
So what makes me think some of those ive named are better options than some who played in the g/f. Id suggest you actually read the post and you will have your answer.
Balta 13 games and i anticipate stuff yeah i expect him to improve and go past some average players forgive me for thinking that way but bottom six players are bottom six for a reason.
Let me do this one more time just for you as your comprehension seems to be lacking when your favorites are questioned.
You tell me if these players are not an upgrade or a better way to go. After all,all clubs are looking for a way to keep on getting better.
Rance for broad. Tall for a tall. Is that not an upgrade
Stack for Scaredy pants Short lol there is no comparison and one of them has only played 15 odd games.
Pickett for Ellis No brainer
Graham for Baker fmd its another no brainer.
Martin, Edwards, Lambert, Pickett etc etc for Rioli a bloke you your self have been critical of. Im sure even you can see the point of difference.
CC-J or Chol for one of the dinosaurs, (good description imo) nankervis , Soldo, they both offer more as a fwd but can give a decent chop out to one of the others in the ruck.
I agree neither of these two have done a hell of a lot but when push comes to shove, CC-J in particular has not played, apart from the odd game at the top leve. In anyones language he projects as the best ruckman we have!!!!. Like it or not he is at a stage where we should be playing him.
It seems to me its all about right now with you but we all know to stay consistently in the ball park over a long period then its also about the long term.
We are limited in chasing top end talent early because of where we finish.
so the focus has to be on improving the bottom 6.You dont like to hear it but Short is very much a bottom 6 player and its JUST AN OPINION we have better options within our ranks.
Your argument about weather some of those named have done more than those who played, no argument. For me i have little doubt though that those i have named above will be better players and options and they are are not that far away.Yet you think thats stupid.Each to his own id say.I do know one thing all premiership sides have their fair share of lets call em average players its the simple reason why premiership sides change so much in a short space of time.
Lastly im sorry to to offend your sensibilities but not every one agrees with your sentiments about players, not everyone thinks just because some of them were in the right place at the right time and won a flag they deserve to play in front of those coming thru.
Id be interested to know who you think of the 22 premiership players in 2019 are in the bottom 6.
My bottom six in terms of who I would look to replace first or need to show more to keep their spot are
In order
Ellis (obviously)
Soldo (we can do better but players behind him will need to show more than what they currently have)
Broad (ok player but may find it hard to keep his spot with Rance back)
Pickett (I haven’t seen enough of him to really comment properly)
Rioli (he has done FA in the past 2 seasons)
Houli (getting towards the end and that will come quickly IMO)
I think Baker will be a star and I think Short, Bolton and George will play 150 plus games for the club. These guys are long term players IMO- you will have to be good to push these guys out.
So round 1 next year if all fit, I would say changes to our best 22 from the GF side are
Rance for Broad
Stack for Ellis
and
Graham for Pickett maybe??
Ellis - agree obviously.
Broad - will now stay in the team with Rance gone. With Rance gone it really does become important to play someone capable of playing KPD that someone for me is Balta who played 13 games last yr and granted few were as a defender but is his best role imo.
Soldo - Agree i actually think we can do better than both him and Nankervis.You dont think CC-J is not tracking along nicely and doesnt offer a point of differnce to in particular Soldo.
Pickett - Mate he aint going nowhere and he will play most games next yr. what you see is what you get. He offers real flexability can play mid h/b and fwd and unlike some offers that touch of hardness. I have him in front of a fair few including Baker and Short.
Houli - We agree on many things about him things that apply to others as well. but imo he is a better option across h/b than both Short and Baker. We both know he aint going anywhere weather we like it or not.
Rioli - Again agree i think he is the most over hyped player we have and he just has not earnt the accolades.not in my starting 22 and we have more flexible options to play as the second small fwd.
On Baker i think he has gone okay but no way in the world should he be playing in defense.He should be competing for a midfield spot and i prefer others there.
On Short well we have so many better options that are not so defensively lacking or panic stricken.
On George he is easily the best small fwd we have in both defensive efforts and fmd cant believe i would say it kicking goals and that can improve out of sight if he ever gets his kicking right.
On Bolton imo it is now time we played him mostly in the midfield
Your having a crack at me but the reality is we arent really that far apart.
Rnd 1
CC-J for Soldo provided he has a big preseason he didnt look far away at the end of last yr in fact he looked damn good the little i saw of him.
Balta comes into the Rance role. I think this is something that has to be done for such obvious reasons i shouldnt need to mention them. He played 13 games last yr and theres no reason he cant play more than that this yr settled into the one role at h/b
Broad will stay put the preferred structure if you do the home work is for the 4 talls in defense. When all of Rance, Astbury, Grimes and Broad were fit or not suspended these four were always played no matter what. Imo they are on the hunt for a kpd.
Also when Garthwaite played last yr we went with the four talls except when injuries hit
Stack will play no ifs or buts just too big a talent to not play. Personally id play him in Shorts spot or instead of Short.
Ross - you say he did nothing i disagree. Kid can really play and will be so much better for another preseason. hes also a lovely size and we arent exactly overflowing with big bodied mids. Take the game he was injured in the first quarter and the Eagles game out where he was given less than two quarters, for an 18 yr old he more than held his own. Do you really think it silly to expect him to be pushing for a spot come rnd 1.
Graham - Once again id play him in front of Short, Baker Rioli Caddy.
Pickett - as already stated he is just a better option than a lot of them and i would be shocked if he was not in the rnd 1 team.
TEAM GOES LIKE THIS
B/ Grimes - Astbury - Vlastuin
HB/ Houli - Balta - Broad. We all know Houli will play here.
C/ Lambert - Ross - Pickett. Big ask for a second yr player but if he can play here it really does free up DM.
R/ Nankervis - Cotchin - Prestia
H/F Edwards - Riewoldt - Stack. would like Stack at h/b. That wont happen while Houli is around. A better option than Rioli here.
FF/ Martin - Lynch - Castagna
INT/ Graham - Caddy - Bolton - CC-J
Have probably missed someone. If Ross CCJ and Balta improve i think it a far better balanced side than the premiership team.
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Our current Best 25 according to the AFL website:
RICHMOND
B: David Astbury (29/129), Dylan Grimes (28/151), Nathan Broad (26/54)
HB: Nick Vlastuin (25/141), Bachar Houli (31/207), Jayden Short (24/71)
C: Josh Caddy (27/157), Dustin Martin (28/224), Jack Graham (22/39)
HF: Shane Edwards (31/255), Jack Riewoldt (31/262), Kane Lambert (28/95)
F: Jason Castagna (23/76), Tom Lynch (27/156), Shai Bolton (21/28)
Foll: Ivan Soldo (23/22), Dion Prestia (27/155), Trent Cotchin (29/234)
I/C: Toby Nankervis (25/71), Sydney Stack (19/17), Daniel Rioli (22/77), Marlion Pickett (28/1)
Next three: Jack Higgins (20/33), Liam Baker (22/22), Kamdyn McIntosh (25/90)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/379504/take-a-look-through-each-club-s-2020-premiership-window
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Baker is best 22
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They seem to have replaced Baker with Graham who by all reports won't even be fit for the start of the season.... :shh
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Anybody else have a question mark on Caddy?
I’m not sure where his best position is these days, looks like he’s got to big and slow imo.
Certainly has the footy brain but looks like god body is struggling to keep up!
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Baker is best 22
Easily imo.
Natural footballer that will only get better with more experience.
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They seem to have replaced Baker with Graham who by all reports won't even be fit for the start of the season.... :shh
Graham is a good chance to play up in Wagga Wagga this weekend
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Baker would be ahead of Stack in that 22 at this stage based on yesterday's game.
Anybody else have a question mark on Caddy?
I’m not sure where his best position is these days, looks like he’s got to big and slow imo.
Certainly has the footy brain but looks like god body is struggling to keep up!
Caddy's size and physicality has been important to us. A bit of an enforcer type (nothing like the old days though). I think that's why Dimma likes him in the side.
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Wallace yesterday on SEN said even with a full complement to choose from - Bolton, Balta & Chol are now in our best 22.
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Have to agree with that Bolton already was ,Balta getting better weekly and Chol showing signs and x factor.
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Will be really interesting to see what they do when Dave is fit. Like I said in another thread think most if not all teams have 7 players in their 22 which run through their backline. With everyone available we’ll have: Grimes, Dave, Balta, Broad, Vlas, Houli, Short and baker. Unless they’re planning to reposition one of them it would seem one will have to come out. Broad would be the obvious one there but would be incredibly harsh. Could he possibly take kmacs spot as a tall defensive wing?
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You'd assume Prestia & Houli will come in for Ross & Egg, Nank you'd hope for Soldo, Edwards for K-Mac or Higgins??? Is Astbury still best 22? :shh
Also don't forget -Finals Rioli >>>>> H&A Rioli.... :shh :shh
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For me it's
Ins: Astbury houli caddy Edwards prestia Nank
Outs: egg, kmac, Ross, Higgins, aarts, soldo
Pickett, stack are form dependent.
Really tough on these players... Still Graham and rioli too.
Geez our depth is good these days.
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For me it's
Ins: Astbury houli caddy Edwards prestia Nank
Outs: egg, kmac, Ross, Higgins, aarts, soldo
Pickett, stack are form dependent.
Really tough on these players... Still Graham and rioli too.
Geez our depth is good these days.
I’d say the same except Pickett out instead of aarts. Think we’ll have enough midfield rotations once you bring Edwards and Prestia back into the mix. Still need our small fwds though and none of those ins play that role.
Rioli will have to show a bit in the scratch matches or wait for an injury or drop in form of one of his replacements. Same goes for graham.
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Forgot about Caddy... :shh
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I was thinking something like this:
B: Vlastuin, Balta, Grimes
HB: Short, Astbury, Houli
C: Broad, Cotchin, Caddy
HF: Edwards, Riewoldt, Lambert
F: Castagna, Lynch, Martin
R: Nankervis, Prestia, Bolton
Int: Chol, Baker, Stack, Aarts
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Nice team TK but I’d swap Short and Broad around.
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For me it's
Ins: Astbury houli caddy Edwards prestia Nank
Outs: egg, kmac, Ross, Higgins, aarts, soldo
Pickett, stack are form dependent.
Really tough on these players... Still Graham and rioli too.
Geez our depth is good these days.
I’d say the same except Pickett out instead of aarts. Think we’ll have enough midfield rotations once you bring Edwards and Prestia back into the mix. Still need our small fwds though and none of those ins play that role.
Rioli will have to show a bit in the scratch matches or wait for an injury or drop in form of one of his replacements. Same goes for graham.
Aarts has been really good. Way better than rioli. But at the expense of Edwards, Bolton will move back to the forward line unfortunately.
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According to Wallace on SEN tonight:
B: Short Astbury Grimes
HB: Baker Vlastuin Houli
C: Edwards Prestia Bolton
HF: Higgins Riewoldt Lambert
F: Castagna Lynch Chol
R: Nank/Soldo Martin Cotchin
Int (from): Balta/Broad, Aarts, Caddy, Rioli, McIntosh, Pickett, Ross, Stack.
nb. One of Nank or Soldo.
Balta or Broad as 7th defender or both could play if we go back to the backline we had with Rance playing.
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Sorry, Plough but Higgins is not in our best 22
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Hasn’t really done much there. He’s named 26 and within that 26 he wasn’t able to split 2 players in 2 positions.
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Sorry, Plough but Higgins is not in our best 22
..and Castagna is? :shh
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Sorry, Plough but Higgins is not in our best 22
..and Castagna is? :shh
When in form yes
Right now, so badly out of form, no
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So not this year then? :shh
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The premiership player who "isn't a lock" in Richmond's best 22
By SEN
3 September 2020
Nick Dal Santo doesn’t believe 2019 Richmond premiership player Marlion Pickett is currently in their best side.
Pickett, who debuted in last year’s Grand Final, arguably had a season-best performance against Fremantle on Wednesday night, finding the ball on 19 occasions and laying three tackles.
The 28-year-old has played in 13 of Richmond’s 15 games this season but still faces a battle to hold his place as the club’s injury list dwindles in the lead up to finals.
Dal Santo said Pickett is currently in a battle to find his role in Richmond's best 22 with just two home and away matches remaining.
“No I don’t think he’s a lock in (Richmond’s best 22) and not yet,” Dal Santo said on AFL Nation.
“We’ve spoken about Jake Aarts just before, he hasn’t put a foot wrong and there are still a few players to come back but (Aarts) hasn’t done much wrong.”
Richmond are poised to regain several important players in the coming weeks, with the likes of Dylan Grimes, David Astbury, Josh Caddy and Dion Prestia all set to return from various injuries before the finals.
Star midfielder Shane Edwards is currently in a transition hub in Queensland and will be available from Round 18 after he originally opted to stay in Melbourne for the birth of his first child.
AFL Nation’s Dwayne Russell said Jack Higgins, who has played 10 games in 2020, was another player “who needs to play some good footy to keep his spot”.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/09/03/the-premiership-player-who-isnt-a-lock-in-richmonds-best-22/
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To be honest I thought Pickett would be a better player.
I don’t know why I was expecting another Andrew McLeod, Shaun Burgoyne and Peter Matera combined into one.
A good ordinary player that is gaining confidence in his role on the wing.
I’m lowering my expectations and will just start enjoying his growth, I only hope he improves his decision making and inside 50 kicks to advantage.
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Barring injury, I can’t see a spot for either Caddy or Broad in the best 22.
Edwards, Prestia and Astbury coming in there’s possibly only some forward line options for those two and I can’t see us neglecting our speed to bring them in.
It’s good to see we still have players fighting to keep their spot i the team.
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Barring injury, I can’t see a spot for either Caddy or Broad in the best 22.
Edwards, Prestia and Astbury coming in there’s possibly only some forward line options for those two and I can’t see us neglecting our speed to bring them in.
It’s good to see we still have players fighting to keep their spot i the team.
I can see Caddy getting a game before Astbury.
Our forward line still lacks fire power, I still think there is a roll up there for Caddy.
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Barring injury, I can’t see a spot for either Caddy or Broad in the best 22.
Edwards, Prestia and Astbury coming in there’s possibly only some forward line options for those two and I can’t see us neglecting our speed to bring them in.
It’s good to see we still have players fighting to keep their spot i the team.
I can see Caddy getting a game before Astbury.
Our forward line still lacks fire power, I still think there is a roll up there for Caddy.
I just think he’s too slow especially if we want to be able to keep the ball inside our F50 with pressure.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he does come in though, Caddy has proved me wrong several times already.
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Barring injury, I can’t see a spot for either Caddy or Broad in the best 22.
Edwards, Prestia and Astbury coming in there’s possibly only some forward line options for those two and I can’t see us neglecting our speed to bring them in.
It’s good to see we still have players fighting to keep their spot i the team.
I can see Caddy getting a game before Astbury.
Our forward line still lacks fire power, I still think there is a roll up there for Caddy.
I just think he’s too slow especially if we want to be able to keep the ball inside our F50 with pressure.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he does come in though, Caddy has proved me wrong several times already.
Agree. We are slow enough already with Lynch and Jack.
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Good to see Slick Willy still posting after all these years. I remember when he was just a boy and we both got yellow cards on Y&B.
As for Caddy, he could come in this week and play that secondary big role he was doing before Lynch rocked up and stuffed his world. Can't play him up there when the big man returns like has been pointed out already. Not really sure where he fits in at the minute
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I don't know we're the idea of Dave playing forward coming from.Dave slots in our back 6 his our traditional fullback take a the monster forwards and then Balta takes second tall his a attacking fullback and frees up Grimes to play on small or medium tall and peel off and intercept.
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I don't know we're the idea of Dave playing forward coming from.Dave slots in our back 6 his our traditional fullback take a the monster forwards and then Balta takes second tall his a attacking fullback and frees up Grimes to play on small or medium tall and peel off and intercept.
:clapping
Astbury, Balta, Grimes, Vlas, Short, Houli, Baker
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Good to see Slick Willy still posting after all these years. I remember when he was just a boy and we both got yellow cards on Y&B.
You helped shape me into the unhinged weirdo that I am today. :)
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Best 22 for finals.
B: David Astbury, Dylan Grimes, Noah Balta
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Liam Baker
C: Kamdyn McIntosh, Jack Graham, Shai Bolton
HF: Kane Lambert, Dustin Martin, Shane Edwards
F: Jason Castagna, Tom Lynch, Jack Riewoldt
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Trent Cotchin, Dion Prestia
I/C: Daniel Rioli, Jack Ross, Jayden Short, Jake Aarts
Misses out:
Josh Caddy (it’s a shame because I like what he brings to the team)
Nathan Broad (I just can’t find a spot for him in this team)
Marlion Pickett (has the attributes but doesn’t showcase them enough)
Mabior Chol (could do anything in a game but don’t like how he disappears nor when he doesn’t attack the ball in the air, may be a match winner but more likely a liability don’t think we need a second ruck)
Oleg Markov (natural replacement for Houli but not ahead of him just yet)
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There’s no way Ross will be names ahead of both caddy and Pickett.
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There’s no way Ross will be names ahead of both caddy and Pickett.
Probably right but from last nights effort I was most impressed with Ross.
I’m a fan of Caddy but I’m just looking at team balance. I think they’ll probably go with Pickett.
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There’s no way Ross will be names ahead of both caddy and Pickett.
He should be in front of Pickett who isnt performing to AFL standard.
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Best 22 for finals.
B: David Astbury, Dylan Grimes, Noah Balta
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Liam Baker
C: Kamdyn McIntosh, Jack Graham, Shai Bolton
HF: Kane Lambert, Dustin Martin, Shane Edwards
F: Jason Castagna, Tom Lynch, Jack Riewoldt
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Trent Cotchin, Dion Prestia
I/C: Daniel Rioli, Jack Ross, Jayden Short, Jake Aarts
Misses out:
Josh Caddy (it’s a shame because I like what he brings to the team)
Nathan Broad (I just can’t find a spot for him in this team)
Marlion Pickett (has the attributes but doesn’t showcase them enough)
Mabior Chol (could do anything in a game but don’t like how he disappears nor when he doesn’t attack the ball in the air, may be a match winner but more likely a liability don’t think we need a second ruck)
Oleg Markov (natural replacement for Houli but not ahead of him just yet)
On merit and 2020 form, that's about right, Tigeritis, with Ross/Pickett a toss up for mine.
The only issue with that best 22 is us going back to relying on Nank as the lone specialist ruckman with a 'small' providing the chop out. It worked in 2017 but was exposed when it mattered in 2018. Don't have a definitive alternative though as our ruck options are limited thanks to Chol's poor game yesterday and CCJ's need for a 3am kebab (http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/Smileys/default/undecided.gif). Either we risk Chol again and hope the rocket he copped works in a final or do we go with say Broad who has apparently been learning a new role in the scratch matches. Ross on the bench would have to make way even though his senior form is better than the other two.
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I’m not so much concerned with nank rucking solo with a non ruck giving him a chop out every now and then so much as I’d be worried as what would happen if he went down early in the game.
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That was ordinary from Chol yesterday maybe Lynch coming back will allow him to play that second fiddle ruckman role instead of a fulltime forward.